<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_16_1944235</id>
	<title>Ask Matt Asay About Ubuntu and Canonical</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1266312240000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>A week after the announcement that open source advocate and <a href="http://news.cnet.com/openroad/">blogger</a> Matt Asay is <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/05/asay\_canonical/">leaving Alfresco for Canonical</a>, in the role of COO, Matt has agreed to answer your questions about his role at Canonical, his vision for the future of Ubuntu, or the prospects for open source as we begin to emerge from recession. Usual Slashdot <a href="http://slashdot.org/faq/interviews.shtml">interview rules</a> apply. (Disclaimer: Matt is on the board of advisors for Slashdot's parent company, Geeknet.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>A week after the announcement that open source advocate and blogger Matt Asay is leaving Alfresco for Canonical , in the role of COO , Matt has agreed to answer your questions about his role at Canonical , his vision for the future of Ubuntu , or the prospects for open source as we begin to emerge from recession .
Usual Slashdot interview rules apply .
( Disclaimer : Matt is on the board of advisors for Slashdot 's parent company , Geeknet .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A week after the announcement that open source advocate and blogger Matt Asay is leaving Alfresco for Canonical, in the role of COO, Matt has agreed to answer your questions about his role at Canonical, his vision for the future of Ubuntu, or the prospects for open source as we begin to emerge from recession.
Usual Slashdot interview rules apply.
(Disclaimer: Matt is on the board of advisors for Slashdot's parent company, Geeknet.
)</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31337802</id>
	<title>Consumer Education - mainstream adoption of Linux</title>
	<author>cheap.computer</author>
	<datestamp>1267533000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>why is that a good quality operating system like Ubuntu (or other linux distros to be fair), which is given away for free not able to replace Windows or OSX.?

1. Lack of advertisement or consumer education, average joe does not know that there is an option.
2. Lack of OEM carrying Ubuntu pre-installed products, only dell does it so far.
3. Lack of apps used by people on daily basis, apps like Adobe photoshop, tax software, games etc.

What are you doing in order to address these three basic hurdles in the path of Linux adoption in mainstream computer consumer market?</htmltext>
<tokenext>why is that a good quality operating system like Ubuntu ( or other linux distros to be fair ) , which is given away for free not able to replace Windows or OSX. ?
1. Lack of advertisement or consumer education , average joe does not know that there is an option .
2. Lack of OEM carrying Ubuntu pre-installed products , only dell does it so far .
3. Lack of apps used by people on daily basis , apps like Adobe photoshop , tax software , games etc .
What are you doing in order to address these three basic hurdles in the path of Linux adoption in mainstream computer consumer market ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why is that a good quality operating system like Ubuntu (or other linux distros to be fair), which is given away for free not able to replace Windows or OSX.?
1. Lack of advertisement or consumer education, average joe does not know that there is an option.
2. Lack of OEM carrying Ubuntu pre-installed products, only dell does it so far.
3. Lack of apps used by people on daily basis, apps like Adobe photoshop, tax software, games etc.
What are you doing in order to address these three basic hurdles in the path of Linux adoption in mainstream computer consumer market?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31162922</id>
	<title>Re:I know there are skins, but</title>
	<author>AvitarX</author>
	<datestamp>1266328320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Am I the only person that likes the Ubuntu color scheme?</p><p>I think it is fantastic.</p><p>Though with transparency I prefer <a href="http://compiz-themes.org/content/show.php/Wombat+Blue?content=70900" title="compiz-themes.org" rel="nofollow">http://compiz-themes.org/content/show.php/Wombat+Blue?content=70900</a> [compiz-themes.org]</p><p>Also, the extra buttons help too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only person that likes the Ubuntu color scheme ? I think it is fantastic.Though with transparency I prefer http : //compiz-themes.org/content/show.php/Wombat + Blue ? content = 70900 [ compiz-themes.org ] Also , the extra buttons help too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only person that likes the Ubuntu color scheme?I think it is fantastic.Though with transparency I prefer http://compiz-themes.org/content/show.php/Wombat+Blue?content=70900 [compiz-themes.org]Also, the extra buttons help too.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160708</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161700</id>
	<title>Re:What about WINE and Mono?</title>
	<author>the\_hellspawn</author>
	<datestamp>1266321720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>sudo apt-get remove wine Duh! and the same goes with mono.</htmltext>
<tokenext>sudo apt-get remove wine Duh !
and the same goes with mono .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sudo apt-get remove wine Duh!
and the same goes with mono.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161282</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161110</id>
	<title>Red Hat -- Ubuntu Transition, and a request</title>
	<author>Luke has no name</author>
	<datestamp>1266318900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Has Ubuntu Server considered directly challenging Red Hat through competitive marketing? Is RHEL seen as a direct competitor with Ubuntu? I know Ubuntu Server has put a lot of work into being a cloud computing platform; has any extensive thought gone into more explicitly targeting traditional Linux server/RHEL deployments as they are seen now (Java application server stack, web stack, etc.?)</p><p>And a suggestion: With the upcoming LTS release, please hire documenters, pay volunteers for quality documenting work, SEND PROGRAMMERS TO DOCUMENTING SCHOOL. I don't believe I'm the first to say that quality, thorough documentation of all tools and use cases of a piece of software is as critical to the usability of software as the quality of the software itself. Community/volunteer documentation can be handy and cheap.</p><p>But, I believe this LTS cycle (and the first year post-release) is an excellent time to stabilize, update, and expand on all official documentation. Everything in the following list should be documented accurately and thoroughly. Test every line of instruction!</p><ul><li>Installing Ubuntu Server in every way possible</li><li>Customizing installation ISOs for server and alternative installs to meet an enterprise's needs (Preset network configuration, packages, etc.)</li><li>Package management (e.g. pinning packages in a custom-deployed install) as well as setting up and modifying a custom repository/package mirror</li><li>Deploying Ubuntu over the network (Installation)</li><li>Securing Ubuntu using ufw/AppArmor (though FireHOL &gt; ufw, had to say it)</li><li>Using important core programs present in Ubuntu that aren't present in many other distros at the moment, such as GRUB 2. Upstart, which is supposed to entirely take over for SysV, has very poor documentation, and it's a critical thing for Sysadmins to understand! I don't care if the syntax is developing. If it's in the LTS, GET IT DOCUMENTED.</li><li>Common uses of Ubuntu Server and detailed configurations of each (Web, Java App Server, Email, DNS, Load Balancing, DHCP, etc.)</li></ul><p>I know some of this is already fairly well documented. I know some of this is usually left to upstream documentation, or to the community, or to skilled authors like Kyle Rankin and Benjamin Mako Hill (The Official Ubuntu Server Book). However, Ubuntu is useless by itself. Software is useless if businesses of any size cannot figure out how to set up and configure the software and distribute it easily. If you want small/medium businesses with semi-skilled IT workers, and large enterprises with RHEL or Microsoft-accustomed IT staff to be able to deploy Ubuntu Server (so you can make money), you need to make it clear that your ease-of-use is not questionable, and that Ubuntu Server fits the job better than the competition you clearly have.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Has Ubuntu Server considered directly challenging Red Hat through competitive marketing ?
Is RHEL seen as a direct competitor with Ubuntu ?
I know Ubuntu Server has put a lot of work into being a cloud computing platform ; has any extensive thought gone into more explicitly targeting traditional Linux server/RHEL deployments as they are seen now ( Java application server stack , web stack , etc. ?
) And a suggestion : With the upcoming LTS release , please hire documenters , pay volunteers for quality documenting work , SEND PROGRAMMERS TO DOCUMENTING SCHOOL .
I do n't believe I 'm the first to say that quality , thorough documentation of all tools and use cases of a piece of software is as critical to the usability of software as the quality of the software itself .
Community/volunteer documentation can be handy and cheap.But , I believe this LTS cycle ( and the first year post-release ) is an excellent time to stabilize , update , and expand on all official documentation .
Everything in the following list should be documented accurately and thoroughly .
Test every line of instruction ! Installing Ubuntu Server in every way possibleCustomizing installation ISOs for server and alternative installs to meet an enterprise 's needs ( Preset network configuration , packages , etc .
) Package management ( e.g .
pinning packages in a custom-deployed install ) as well as setting up and modifying a custom repository/package mirrorDeploying Ubuntu over the network ( Installation ) Securing Ubuntu using ufw/AppArmor ( though FireHOL &gt; ufw , had to say it ) Using important core programs present in Ubuntu that are n't present in many other distros at the moment , such as GRUB 2 .
Upstart , which is supposed to entirely take over for SysV , has very poor documentation , and it 's a critical thing for Sysadmins to understand !
I do n't care if the syntax is developing .
If it 's in the LTS , GET IT DOCUMENTED.Common uses of Ubuntu Server and detailed configurations of each ( Web , Java App Server , Email , DNS , Load Balancing , DHCP , etc .
) I know some of this is already fairly well documented .
I know some of this is usually left to upstream documentation , or to the community , or to skilled authors like Kyle Rankin and Benjamin Mako Hill ( The Official Ubuntu Server Book ) .
However , Ubuntu is useless by itself .
Software is useless if businesses of any size can not figure out how to set up and configure the software and distribute it easily .
If you want small/medium businesses with semi-skilled IT workers , and large enterprises with RHEL or Microsoft-accustomed IT staff to be able to deploy Ubuntu Server ( so you can make money ) , you need to make it clear that your ease-of-use is not questionable , and that Ubuntu Server fits the job better than the competition you clearly have .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has Ubuntu Server considered directly challenging Red Hat through competitive marketing?
Is RHEL seen as a direct competitor with Ubuntu?
I know Ubuntu Server has put a lot of work into being a cloud computing platform; has any extensive thought gone into more explicitly targeting traditional Linux server/RHEL deployments as they are seen now (Java application server stack, web stack, etc.?
)And a suggestion: With the upcoming LTS release, please hire documenters, pay volunteers for quality documenting work, SEND PROGRAMMERS TO DOCUMENTING SCHOOL.
I don't believe I'm the first to say that quality, thorough documentation of all tools and use cases of a piece of software is as critical to the usability of software as the quality of the software itself.
Community/volunteer documentation can be handy and cheap.But, I believe this LTS cycle (and the first year post-release) is an excellent time to stabilize, update, and expand on all official documentation.
Everything in the following list should be documented accurately and thoroughly.
Test every line of instruction!Installing Ubuntu Server in every way possibleCustomizing installation ISOs for server and alternative installs to meet an enterprise's needs (Preset network configuration, packages, etc.
)Package management (e.g.
pinning packages in a custom-deployed install) as well as setting up and modifying a custom repository/package mirrorDeploying Ubuntu over the network (Installation)Securing Ubuntu using ufw/AppArmor (though FireHOL &gt; ufw, had to say it)Using important core programs present in Ubuntu that aren't present in many other distros at the moment, such as GRUB 2.
Upstart, which is supposed to entirely take over for SysV, has very poor documentation, and it's a critical thing for Sysadmins to understand!
I don't care if the syntax is developing.
If it's in the LTS, GET IT DOCUMENTED.Common uses of Ubuntu Server and detailed configurations of each (Web, Java App Server, Email, DNS, Load Balancing, DHCP, etc.
)I know some of this is already fairly well documented.
I know some of this is usually left to upstream documentation, or to the community, or to skilled authors like Kyle Rankin and Benjamin Mako Hill (The Official Ubuntu Server Book).
However, Ubuntu is useless by itself.
Software is useless if businesses of any size cannot figure out how to set up and configure the software and distribute it easily.
If you want small/medium businesses with semi-skilled IT workers, and large enterprises with RHEL or Microsoft-accustomed IT staff to be able to deploy Ubuntu Server (so you can make money), you need to make it clear that your ease-of-use is not questionable, and that Ubuntu Server fits the job better than the competition you clearly have.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161572</id>
	<title>Datclaimer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266321000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;(Disclaimer: Matt is on the board of advisors for Slashdot's parent company, Geeknet.)<br>Revealing the interests of parties involved is good journalism. But unless the author feels this means they consequently have no obligation to objectivity or accuracy, it isn't a disclaimer - it's a disclosure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; ( Disclaimer : Matt is on the board of advisors for Slashdot 's parent company , Geeknet .
) Revealing the interests of parties involved is good journalism .
But unless the author feels this means they consequently have no obligation to objectivity or accuracy , it is n't a disclaimer - it 's a disclosure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;(Disclaimer: Matt is on the board of advisors for Slashdot's parent company, Geeknet.
)Revealing the interests of parties involved is good journalism.
But unless the author feels this means they consequently have no obligation to objectivity or accuracy, it isn't a disclaimer - it's a disclosure.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161932</id>
	<title>Re:Juuuust switched to Zimbra</title>
	<author>flydpnkrtn</author>
	<datestamp>1266322980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What does Matt Asay joining Canonical (makers of Ubuntu) have to do with Zimbra (which is now made by VMware)?</p><p>I'm trying to see the connection here... but "outlook does not look so good"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What does Matt Asay joining Canonical ( makers of Ubuntu ) have to do with Zimbra ( which is now made by VMware ) ? I 'm trying to see the connection here... but " outlook does not look so good "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does Matt Asay joining Canonical (makers of Ubuntu) have to do with Zimbra (which is now made by VMware)?I'm trying to see the connection here... but "outlook does not look so good"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160464</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31336320</id>
	<title>Re:How come I can't install RealPlayer on Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>silverglade00</author>
	<datestamp>1267527060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.real.com/linux?src=realhome\_linux\_bb\_0\_1\_1\_0\_0\_3\_0&amp;pcode=rn&amp;opage=realhome\_linux\_bb" title="real.com" rel="nofollow">RealPlayer for Linux.</a> [real.com] You want the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.deb one at the bottom. Hold down the Alt key and move the desktop properties window. Enable the Ubuntu partners repo and <tt>sudo apt-get install opera</tt>. CTRL+Shift+Esc will let you see your memory. And now I'm bored.</htmltext>
<tokenext>RealPlayer for Linux .
[ real.com ] You want the .deb one at the bottom .
Hold down the Alt key and move the desktop properties window .
Enable the Ubuntu partners repo and sudo apt-get install opera .
CTRL + Shift + Esc will let you see your memory .
And now I 'm bored .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RealPlayer for Linux.
[real.com] You want the .deb one at the bottom.
Hold down the Alt key and move the desktop properties window.
Enable the Ubuntu partners repo and sudo apt-get install opera.
CTRL+Shift+Esc will let you see your memory.
And now I'm bored.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160624</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160958</id>
	<title>simple one here</title>
	<author>poetmatt</author>
	<datestamp>1266318300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what will you do to ensure proprietary software, proprietary licenses and related legal uncertainties/risks will not be further migrated into ubuntu? What will you do to further the goal of free software/open source? It's not safe to program anything using mono due to the obvious legal risks, for example.</p><p>The yahoo search deal (after yahoo announcing a MS partnership) and having mono (and fspot) in ubuntu are two notable issues in that sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what will you do to ensure proprietary software , proprietary licenses and related legal uncertainties/risks will not be further migrated into ubuntu ?
What will you do to further the goal of free software/open source ?
It 's not safe to program anything using mono due to the obvious legal risks , for example.The yahoo search deal ( after yahoo announcing a MS partnership ) and having mono ( and fspot ) in ubuntu are two notable issues in that sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what will you do to ensure proprietary software, proprietary licenses and related legal uncertainties/risks will not be further migrated into ubuntu?
What will you do to further the goal of free software/open source?
It's not safe to program anything using mono due to the obvious legal risks, for example.The yahoo search deal (after yahoo announcing a MS partnership) and having mono (and fspot) in ubuntu are two notable issues in that sense.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31163848</id>
	<title>Re:What about WINE and Mono?</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1266335340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We do not need anything but native apps on Linux.</p></div><p>Who is "we", and why does it speak for me?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We do not need anything but native apps on Linux.Who is " we " , and why does it speak for me ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We do not need anything but native apps on Linux.Who is "we", and why does it speak for me?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161282</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161212</id>
	<title>KDE and the problem with that "disease"</title>
	<author>rec9140</author>
	<datestamp>1266319320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) When will you release a truly up to the job KDE Release, or even better, FIRE the ENTIRE KUBUNTU dev team and hire Boo and the dev's from KMint aka Linux Mint KDE CE.</p><p>They clean up Kubuntu's crap distro each and every release and make it PERFECT, KDE 4.x aside, PERFECT! ! !</p><p>KDE needs to be the DEFAULT and only main desktop.. Offer lxde, xfce etc. for the tasks and areas they are suited for, gnome needs to go!</p><p>2) When will you REMOVE mono and gnome and miguel who is tainting your distro with his programs and DE? mono has no place in any distro, period. mono and miguel need to go! Now is the time! New COO, New X DE, clean house and get the disease out of the distro!</p><p>3) How do you plan to make software installs easier for users to encourage migration from that other os?</p><p>4) How are you going to curb the "google is your friend" and the "When are you going the fix or feature code then?" attitudes that hamper desktop Linux adoption.</p><p>5) Whats you plan and vision for Linux in general and Ubuntu specifically for the next year, 5, 10 years?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) When will you release a truly up to the job KDE Release , or even better , FIRE the ENTIRE KUBUNTU dev team and hire Boo and the dev 's from KMint aka Linux Mint KDE CE.They clean up Kubuntu 's crap distro each and every release and make it PERFECT , KDE 4.x aside , PERFECT !
! ! KDE needs to be the DEFAULT and only main desktop.. Offer lxde , xfce etc .
for the tasks and areas they are suited for , gnome needs to go ! 2 ) When will you REMOVE mono and gnome and miguel who is tainting your distro with his programs and DE ?
mono has no place in any distro , period .
mono and miguel need to go !
Now is the time !
New COO , New X DE , clean house and get the disease out of the distro ! 3 ) How do you plan to make software installs easier for users to encourage migration from that other os ? 4 ) How are you going to curb the " google is your friend " and the " When are you going the fix or feature code then ?
" attitudes that hamper desktop Linux adoption.5 ) Whats you plan and vision for Linux in general and Ubuntu specifically for the next year , 5 , 10 years ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) When will you release a truly up to the job KDE Release, or even better, FIRE the ENTIRE KUBUNTU dev team and hire Boo and the dev's from KMint aka Linux Mint KDE CE.They clean up Kubuntu's crap distro each and every release and make it PERFECT, KDE 4.x aside, PERFECT!
! !KDE needs to be the DEFAULT and only main desktop.. Offer lxde, xfce etc.
for the tasks and areas they are suited for, gnome needs to go!2) When will you REMOVE mono and gnome and miguel who is tainting your distro with his programs and DE?
mono has no place in any distro, period.
mono and miguel need to go!
Now is the time!
New COO, New X DE, clean house and get the disease out of the distro!3) How do you plan to make software installs easier for users to encourage migration from that other os?4) How are you going to curb the "google is your friend" and the "When are you going the fix or feature code then?
" attitudes that hamper desktop Linux adoption.5) Whats you plan and vision for Linux in general and Ubuntu specifically for the next year, 5, 10 years?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160590</id>
	<title>Your Version of Their Vision</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266316560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Late last year, you <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505\_3-10418223-16.html" title="cnet.com">heralded some moves by Shuttleworth</a> [cnet.com] and you said:<p><div class="quote"><p>This, I believe, is an opportunity for Canonical to tighten its focus. While Shuttleworth suggests  that Silber's appointment "doesn't mark a change of direction," perhaps it should. With over 300 employees and products that span mobile, Netbooks and other personal computers, cloud computing, enterprise servers, and more, Canonical has its fingers in a lot of pots.</p></div><p>As COO, what are you going to do to improve the products you highlighted above?  I'm not looking for a soft answer like "I'm going to promote Ubuntu on netbooks" but more so an itemized list of measurable goals, with milestones, dates and areas of focus (for instance, power minded ARM distributions).  Is there anything about their vision you intend to change or influence the most?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Late last year , you heralded some moves by Shuttleworth [ cnet.com ] and you said : This , I believe , is an opportunity for Canonical to tighten its focus .
While Shuttleworth suggests that Silber 's appointment " does n't mark a change of direction , " perhaps it should .
With over 300 employees and products that span mobile , Netbooks and other personal computers , cloud computing , enterprise servers , and more , Canonical has its fingers in a lot of pots.As COO , what are you going to do to improve the products you highlighted above ?
I 'm not looking for a soft answer like " I 'm going to promote Ubuntu on netbooks " but more so an itemized list of measurable goals , with milestones , dates and areas of focus ( for instance , power minded ARM distributions ) .
Is there anything about their vision you intend to change or influence the most ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Late last year, you heralded some moves by Shuttleworth [cnet.com] and you said:This, I believe, is an opportunity for Canonical to tighten its focus.
While Shuttleworth suggests  that Silber's appointment "doesn't mark a change of direction," perhaps it should.
With over 300 employees and products that span mobile, Netbooks and other personal computers, cloud computing, enterprise servers, and more, Canonical has its fingers in a lot of pots.As COO, what are you going to do to improve the products you highlighted above?
I'm not looking for a soft answer like "I'm going to promote Ubuntu on netbooks" but more so an itemized list of measurable goals, with milestones, dates and areas of focus (for instance, power minded ARM distributions).
Is there anything about their vision you intend to change or influence the most?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161474</id>
	<title>What does a COO do?</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1266320520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What exactly does a COO do, at an organization like Canonical?  I don't mean vague organizational goals, like make us wealthy and cool, but specifics.</p><p>I do not mean rephrase the wikipedia entry for COO, but how would you APPLY the wikipedia entry for COO at Canonical?</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief\_operating\_officer" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief\_operating\_officer</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What exactly does a COO do , at an organization like Canonical ?
I do n't mean vague organizational goals , like make us wealthy and cool , but specifics.I do not mean rephrase the wikipedia entry for COO , but how would you APPLY the wikipedia entry for COO at Canonical ? http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief \ _operating \ _officer [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What exactly does a COO do, at an organization like Canonical?
I don't mean vague organizational goals, like make us wealthy and cool, but specifics.I do not mean rephrase the wikipedia entry for COO, but how would you APPLY the wikipedia entry for COO at Canonical?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief\_operating\_officer [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31169258</id>
	<title>We use Alfresco</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265040240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I figured most of you haven't seen Alfresco and don't have any idea about the company. Here are a few tidbits from a small company user of the free Alfresco, not the paid "enterprise" version. These are my impressions and don't reflect that of my employer.</p><p>We've used Alfresco for about 18 months. The initial "Labs" deployment had to be dropped from our testing due to HUGE bugs in the permissions code. The testing team didn't test it at all.  We are still running the next non-Labs deployment without many issues at all. Even if we need to drop Alfresco and migrate to another solution, the content is still ours and we can get it all out. In the ECM space, it is important for you to own your content. Ask Microsoft about that and Sharepoint.</p><p>At an Alfresco conference last fall, it was presented that the average deployment was $200+K and Alfresco was paid about $25K for the "enterprise software and support" out of that total. The rest was earned by 3rd party partners. IME, they have always concentrated on the paying customers. An enterprise deployment in licenses begins around $25K by the time you get test, prod/failover licenses. It isn't for the small shops or a company running MS-SBS.</p><p>In a BOF meeting, I saw where a developer in a tiny company was begging for help, offering his code, and the Alfresco guys stood there silent. I asked for help with a migration to the current release, but since we'd deployed a dead code line, there is not upgrade process. I only wish the version we deployed were clearly marked as "dead line" at the time. Some kind of dev-2-dev interaction would have been encouraging even if they couldn't help at all after the conference. When we do migrate, we will lose our older versions of documents without manual steps. We will end up with all the current versions of documents with very little effort, however. The content is still ours, as it should be.</p><p>Alfresco has become an enterprise solution.  I believe the Alfresco team has decided to compete against EMC/Documentum, FileNet and those huge $1M+ cost solutions instead of against MS-Sharepoint. Alfresco has certainly started with a schema that rivals Documentum and their support models AND capabilities do rival Documentum at a much smaller price.</p><p>The currently released version no longer supports Oracle as a DB in the FOSS release. The "enterprise" i.e. paid version does. This was removed in the 3.2 community release. It worked in 3.1. Why the removal? I guess they decided anyone who could afford Oracle could afford to pay Alfresco too, but I honestly don't know. Perhaps the Oracle JDBC library license changed? I dunno.  Alfresco supports Active Directory and LDAP for authentication - like all corporate software should. Personally, I'd like to see OpenID supported too - since I'm not a Java programmer, I'm not in a position to contribute code.  Anyone need some C/C++?</p><p>Alfresco is encouraging front-ends to link to it. Drupal and Joomla already have working connectors, but each deployment will need to be customized significantly. The default, provided, Alfresco web front end is a little clunky, but workable after you learn a few tricks.  Moving a document is "cut" and "paste", not "move." I don't want to admit how long that took our users to figure out.</p><p>OTOH, Alfresco has been fine in our small deployment. It runs easily in a 512MB Xen VM - no swapping at all. That VM runs 3 other internal applications too. I suspect I could drop it down to 384MB and still have acceptable performance. The code seems fairly efficient and the architecture isn't bad at all. We use a few other pseudo-FOSS tools and have seen how bloated some of those can become (Zimbra).</p><p>At a minimum, Alfresco is a good replacement for Shared Folders out of the box. Your users don't need to know that it isn't a shared folder to use it. The CIFS implementation is fast. I saw where Adobe is providing Alfresco as a paid document service <a href="http://www.cmswatch.com/Trends/1276-Adobe-and-Alfresco" title="cmswatch.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cmswatch.com/Trends/1276-Adobe-and-Al</a> [cmswatch.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I figured most of you have n't seen Alfresco and do n't have any idea about the company .
Here are a few tidbits from a small company user of the free Alfresco , not the paid " enterprise " version .
These are my impressions and do n't reflect that of my employer.We 've used Alfresco for about 18 months .
The initial " Labs " deployment had to be dropped from our testing due to HUGE bugs in the permissions code .
The testing team did n't test it at all .
We are still running the next non-Labs deployment without many issues at all .
Even if we need to drop Alfresco and migrate to another solution , the content is still ours and we can get it all out .
In the ECM space , it is important for you to own your content .
Ask Microsoft about that and Sharepoint.At an Alfresco conference last fall , it was presented that the average deployment was $ 200 + K and Alfresco was paid about $ 25K for the " enterprise software and support " out of that total .
The rest was earned by 3rd party partners .
IME , they have always concentrated on the paying customers .
An enterprise deployment in licenses begins around $ 25K by the time you get test , prod/failover licenses .
It is n't for the small shops or a company running MS-SBS.In a BOF meeting , I saw where a developer in a tiny company was begging for help , offering his code , and the Alfresco guys stood there silent .
I asked for help with a migration to the current release , but since we 'd deployed a dead code line , there is not upgrade process .
I only wish the version we deployed were clearly marked as " dead line " at the time .
Some kind of dev-2-dev interaction would have been encouraging even if they could n't help at all after the conference .
When we do migrate , we will lose our older versions of documents without manual steps .
We will end up with all the current versions of documents with very little effort , however .
The content is still ours , as it should be.Alfresco has become an enterprise solution .
I believe the Alfresco team has decided to compete against EMC/Documentum , FileNet and those huge $ 1M + cost solutions instead of against MS-Sharepoint .
Alfresco has certainly started with a schema that rivals Documentum and their support models AND capabilities do rival Documentum at a much smaller price.The currently released version no longer supports Oracle as a DB in the FOSS release .
The " enterprise " i.e .
paid version does .
This was removed in the 3.2 community release .
It worked in 3.1 .
Why the removal ?
I guess they decided anyone who could afford Oracle could afford to pay Alfresco too , but I honestly do n't know .
Perhaps the Oracle JDBC library license changed ?
I dunno .
Alfresco supports Active Directory and LDAP for authentication - like all corporate software should .
Personally , I 'd like to see OpenID supported too - since I 'm not a Java programmer , I 'm not in a position to contribute code .
Anyone need some C/C + + ? Alfresco is encouraging front-ends to link to it .
Drupal and Joomla already have working connectors , but each deployment will need to be customized significantly .
The default , provided , Alfresco web front end is a little clunky , but workable after you learn a few tricks .
Moving a document is " cut " and " paste " , not " move .
" I do n't want to admit how long that took our users to figure out.OTOH , Alfresco has been fine in our small deployment .
It runs easily in a 512MB Xen VM - no swapping at all .
That VM runs 3 other internal applications too .
I suspect I could drop it down to 384MB and still have acceptable performance .
The code seems fairly efficient and the architecture is n't bad at all .
We use a few other pseudo-FOSS tools and have seen how bloated some of those can become ( Zimbra ) .At a minimum , Alfresco is a good replacement for Shared Folders out of the box .
Your users do n't need to know that it is n't a shared folder to use it .
The CIFS implementation is fast .
I saw where Adobe is providing Alfresco as a paid document service http : //www.cmswatch.com/Trends/1276-Adobe-and-Al [ cmswatch.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I figured most of you haven't seen Alfresco and don't have any idea about the company.
Here are a few tidbits from a small company user of the free Alfresco, not the paid "enterprise" version.
These are my impressions and don't reflect that of my employer.We've used Alfresco for about 18 months.
The initial "Labs" deployment had to be dropped from our testing due to HUGE bugs in the permissions code.
The testing team didn't test it at all.
We are still running the next non-Labs deployment without many issues at all.
Even if we need to drop Alfresco and migrate to another solution, the content is still ours and we can get it all out.
In the ECM space, it is important for you to own your content.
Ask Microsoft about that and Sharepoint.At an Alfresco conference last fall, it was presented that the average deployment was $200+K and Alfresco was paid about $25K for the "enterprise software and support" out of that total.
The rest was earned by 3rd party partners.
IME, they have always concentrated on the paying customers.
An enterprise deployment in licenses begins around $25K by the time you get test, prod/failover licenses.
It isn't for the small shops or a company running MS-SBS.In a BOF meeting, I saw where a developer in a tiny company was begging for help, offering his code, and the Alfresco guys stood there silent.
I asked for help with a migration to the current release, but since we'd deployed a dead code line, there is not upgrade process.
I only wish the version we deployed were clearly marked as "dead line" at the time.
Some kind of dev-2-dev interaction would have been encouraging even if they couldn't help at all after the conference.
When we do migrate, we will lose our older versions of documents without manual steps.
We will end up with all the current versions of documents with very little effort, however.
The content is still ours, as it should be.Alfresco has become an enterprise solution.
I believe the Alfresco team has decided to compete against EMC/Documentum, FileNet and those huge $1M+ cost solutions instead of against MS-Sharepoint.
Alfresco has certainly started with a schema that rivals Documentum and their support models AND capabilities do rival Documentum at a much smaller price.The currently released version no longer supports Oracle as a DB in the FOSS release.
The "enterprise" i.e.
paid version does.
This was removed in the 3.2 community release.
It worked in 3.1.
Why the removal?
I guess they decided anyone who could afford Oracle could afford to pay Alfresco too, but I honestly don't know.
Perhaps the Oracle JDBC library license changed?
I dunno.
Alfresco supports Active Directory and LDAP for authentication - like all corporate software should.
Personally, I'd like to see OpenID supported too - since I'm not a Java programmer, I'm not in a position to contribute code.
Anyone need some C/C++?Alfresco is encouraging front-ends to link to it.
Drupal and Joomla already have working connectors, but each deployment will need to be customized significantly.
The default, provided, Alfresco web front end is a little clunky, but workable after you learn a few tricks.
Moving a document is "cut" and "paste", not "move.
" I don't want to admit how long that took our users to figure out.OTOH, Alfresco has been fine in our small deployment.
It runs easily in a 512MB Xen VM - no swapping at all.
That VM runs 3 other internal applications too.
I suspect I could drop it down to 384MB and still have acceptable performance.
The code seems fairly efficient and the architecture isn't bad at all.
We use a few other pseudo-FOSS tools and have seen how bloated some of those can become (Zimbra).At a minimum, Alfresco is a good replacement for Shared Folders out of the box.
Your users don't need to know that it isn't a shared folder to use it.
The CIFS implementation is fast.
I saw where Adobe is providing Alfresco as a paid document service http://www.cmswatch.com/Trends/1276-Adobe-and-Al [cmswatch.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160738</id>
	<title>Performance Measurements for Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>eldavojohn</author>
	<datestamp>1266317280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>As over watch of operations management, what kind of performance measurements are you going to make to decide which direction Ubuntu development is heading?  Number of bugs?  Just cash flow?  Number of supported packages?  <br> <br>

Simply put: what are you going to improve Canonical's operations and how are you plan on measuring it to prove you're making a difference?</htmltext>
<tokenext>As over watch of operations management , what kind of performance measurements are you going to make to decide which direction Ubuntu development is heading ?
Number of bugs ?
Just cash flow ?
Number of supported packages ?
Simply put : what are you going to improve Canonical 's operations and how are you plan on measuring it to prove you 're making a difference ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As over watch of operations management, what kind of performance measurements are you going to make to decide which direction Ubuntu development is heading?
Number of bugs?
Just cash flow?
Number of supported packages?
Simply put: what are you going to improve Canonical's operations and how are you plan on measuring it to prove you're making a difference?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160620</id>
	<title>What about WINE and Mono?</title>
	<author>aztracker1</author>
	<datestamp>1266316680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm curious as to what efforts will be made to keeping frameworks like Mono, Java and WINE current in existing releases.  It seems that by the time a release happens these frameworks are already several versions behind.  It would be nice to have an "edge" set of repositories that keep up with this in addition to backports that is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm curious as to what efforts will be made to keeping frameworks like Mono , Java and WINE current in existing releases .
It seems that by the time a release happens these frameworks are already several versions behind .
It would be nice to have an " edge " set of repositories that keep up with this in addition to backports that is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm curious as to what efforts will be made to keeping frameworks like Mono, Java and WINE current in existing releases.
It seems that by the time a release happens these frameworks are already several versions behind.
It would be nice to have an "edge" set of repositories that keep up with this in addition to backports that is.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160760</id>
	<title>Re:How come I can't install RealPlayer on Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>dmfarley</author>
	<datestamp>1266317340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>have you really never heard of the gnome system monitor?</htmltext>
<tokenext>have you really never heard of the gnome system monitor ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>have you really never heard of the gnome system monitor?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160624</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160714</id>
	<title>Two things</title>
	<author>RichardJenkins</author>
	<datestamp>1266317160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will Ubuntu continue to periodically suck my focus away from whatever task I'm doing with sociopathic notifications that refuse to leave until they're good and ready, however politely I ask.</p><p>Will Ubuntu avoid unnecessarily fiddling with applications as part of the default install [OK Pidgin/Empathy is the only case I can think of]</p><p>How much influence over Debian's future direction does Canonical have?</p><p>[Disclaimer: Big fan of Ubuntu, use it for most server installations and al personal desktops.]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will Ubuntu continue to periodically suck my focus away from whatever task I 'm doing with sociopathic notifications that refuse to leave until they 're good and ready , however politely I ask.Will Ubuntu avoid unnecessarily fiddling with applications as part of the default install [ OK Pidgin/Empathy is the only case I can think of ] How much influence over Debian 's future direction does Canonical have ?
[ Disclaimer : Big fan of Ubuntu , use it for most server installations and al personal desktops .
]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will Ubuntu continue to periodically suck my focus away from whatever task I'm doing with sociopathic notifications that refuse to leave until they're good and ready, however politely I ask.Will Ubuntu avoid unnecessarily fiddling with applications as part of the default install [OK Pidgin/Empathy is the only case I can think of]How much influence over Debian's future direction does Canonical have?
[Disclaimer: Big fan of Ubuntu, use it for most server installations and al personal desktops.
]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31166978</id>
	<title>mini-Turing test: the system-wide do-not-fly list</title>
	<author>epine</author>
	<datestamp>1265023380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Every time I see "the desktop" debated, there seems to be a group retreat into the logic of one-size-fits-all.  I don't think *anyone* will ever manage to make a desktop operating system that suits all purposes.</p><p>Windows is designed to be convenient in many respects, but what was the opportunity cost to the web as a whole to support the idiosyncrasies of IE6?  Could that effort have delivered more user value employed elsewhere?  Hell yes.  Monolithic design is good for the gaming ecosystem, but you pay for it in so many other ways.</p><p>I've never thought the value system of Linux was particularly desktop-centric.  That always struck me as a bolt-on by people who crave affiliative affirmation.  For me, the fundamental value system of Linux is as a method of software distribution and collaboration.  If it also plays Flash--supposing you even want that--that's a cherry on top.  99\% of the content I consider important can be had without Flash.  For me the desktop is *not* a glorified media player.  My goal on a computer is to interact with the desktop as little as possible.  I prefer my screens plastered with applications so that the desktop can't be seen.</p><p>My biggest hardship with Ubuntu has been the default policy that you're stuck with whatever version of your favourite tool made the cut in the last release cycle.</p><p>I was working on a Windows system at work three days a week, and Ubuntu at home the other two (or three) days a week, accessing the same code base, and needing to run many of the same tools.  I was constantly running into problems where some task could be completed on the Windows side by upgrading to the latest version of tool X, only to discover when I pulled the workspace onto my home network, that Ubuntu was stuck on some older version.  I often wished it were easier to ask Ubuntu to install the experimental upgrade of some tool alongside the official version.  Many times I only needed limited functionality from the experimental version for a small sub-project of some small sub-workspace.</p><p>Occasionally I fought to pull something in from some non-standard package source, usually with a fair amount of frustration, and not always with ultimate success.  Problems get hairy in a big hurry if things don't mesh.  I didn't choose Ubuntu for the pleasure of reverse engineering dpkg.</p><p>I find Ubuntu easy enough to work with if I'm prepared (on a semi-permanent basis) to lag six to nine months behind the latest major update of many highly popular tools.  When I had to force Ubuntu to run something newer than whatever validated build came with my current install, I often lived to regret trying.</p><p>This is problematic on several levels.  Ubuntu is often far enough behind that the upstream sources aren't terribly interested in your bug reports.  Given the nature of my work, I generally prefer to run closer to upstream than what Ubuntu manages to package.  Yet I don't want to live on a daily basis in testing.  What I want is an easy way to live one foot in, one foot out.</p><p>There's a saying in sports that when you finally break into the major league, keep doing whatever it was that brought you.  Stay with your strength and build your game from there.  Too many discussions of The Desktop lose sight of this maxim.  It's tempting to look around the locker room at what everyone else is bringing and deciding that "I need to be more like them".  Desktop envy a good way to get busted back down to the minor leagues.  You don't stick in the major leagues because you click in the clubhouse.  Most discussions of the desktop feel like evaluating the roster by how great they are to hang with between games.</p><p>Areas where Linux could kick the snot out of XP on the field of battle are things like having a consistent, system-wide user-selectable spell checker.  I've heard rumours of progress in this direction.</p><p>Spell checkers are typically tragic.  Many times I work with text from elsewhere and I couldn't care less if American/British/Canadian spellings are mixed in every sentence.  For text I wr</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Every time I see " the desktop " debated , there seems to be a group retreat into the logic of one-size-fits-all .
I do n't think * anyone * will ever manage to make a desktop operating system that suits all purposes.Windows is designed to be convenient in many respects , but what was the opportunity cost to the web as a whole to support the idiosyncrasies of IE6 ?
Could that effort have delivered more user value employed elsewhere ?
Hell yes .
Monolithic design is good for the gaming ecosystem , but you pay for it in so many other ways.I 've never thought the value system of Linux was particularly desktop-centric .
That always struck me as a bolt-on by people who crave affiliative affirmation .
For me , the fundamental value system of Linux is as a method of software distribution and collaboration .
If it also plays Flash--supposing you even want that--that 's a cherry on top .
99 \ % of the content I consider important can be had without Flash .
For me the desktop is * not * a glorified media player .
My goal on a computer is to interact with the desktop as little as possible .
I prefer my screens plastered with applications so that the desktop ca n't be seen.My biggest hardship with Ubuntu has been the default policy that you 're stuck with whatever version of your favourite tool made the cut in the last release cycle.I was working on a Windows system at work three days a week , and Ubuntu at home the other two ( or three ) days a week , accessing the same code base , and needing to run many of the same tools .
I was constantly running into problems where some task could be completed on the Windows side by upgrading to the latest version of tool X , only to discover when I pulled the workspace onto my home network , that Ubuntu was stuck on some older version .
I often wished it were easier to ask Ubuntu to install the experimental upgrade of some tool alongside the official version .
Many times I only needed limited functionality from the experimental version for a small sub-project of some small sub-workspace.Occasionally I fought to pull something in from some non-standard package source , usually with a fair amount of frustration , and not always with ultimate success .
Problems get hairy in a big hurry if things do n't mesh .
I did n't choose Ubuntu for the pleasure of reverse engineering dpkg.I find Ubuntu easy enough to work with if I 'm prepared ( on a semi-permanent basis ) to lag six to nine months behind the latest major update of many highly popular tools .
When I had to force Ubuntu to run something newer than whatever validated build came with my current install , I often lived to regret trying.This is problematic on several levels .
Ubuntu is often far enough behind that the upstream sources are n't terribly interested in your bug reports .
Given the nature of my work , I generally prefer to run closer to upstream than what Ubuntu manages to package .
Yet I do n't want to live on a daily basis in testing .
What I want is an easy way to live one foot in , one foot out.There 's a saying in sports that when you finally break into the major league , keep doing whatever it was that brought you .
Stay with your strength and build your game from there .
Too many discussions of The Desktop lose sight of this maxim .
It 's tempting to look around the locker room at what everyone else is bringing and deciding that " I need to be more like them " .
Desktop envy a good way to get busted back down to the minor leagues .
You do n't stick in the major leagues because you click in the clubhouse .
Most discussions of the desktop feel like evaluating the roster by how great they are to hang with between games.Areas where Linux could kick the snot out of XP on the field of battle are things like having a consistent , system-wide user-selectable spell checker .
I 've heard rumours of progress in this direction.Spell checkers are typically tragic .
Many times I work with text from elsewhere and I could n't care less if American/British/Canadian spellings are mixed in every sentence .
For text I wr</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every time I see "the desktop" debated, there seems to be a group retreat into the logic of one-size-fits-all.
I don't think *anyone* will ever manage to make a desktop operating system that suits all purposes.Windows is designed to be convenient in many respects, but what was the opportunity cost to the web as a whole to support the idiosyncrasies of IE6?
Could that effort have delivered more user value employed elsewhere?
Hell yes.
Monolithic design is good for the gaming ecosystem, but you pay for it in so many other ways.I've never thought the value system of Linux was particularly desktop-centric.
That always struck me as a bolt-on by people who crave affiliative affirmation.
For me, the fundamental value system of Linux is as a method of software distribution and collaboration.
If it also plays Flash--supposing you even want that--that's a cherry on top.
99\% of the content I consider important can be had without Flash.
For me the desktop is *not* a glorified media player.
My goal on a computer is to interact with the desktop as little as possible.
I prefer my screens plastered with applications so that the desktop can't be seen.My biggest hardship with Ubuntu has been the default policy that you're stuck with whatever version of your favourite tool made the cut in the last release cycle.I was working on a Windows system at work three days a week, and Ubuntu at home the other two (or three) days a week, accessing the same code base, and needing to run many of the same tools.
I was constantly running into problems where some task could be completed on the Windows side by upgrading to the latest version of tool X, only to discover when I pulled the workspace onto my home network, that Ubuntu was stuck on some older version.
I often wished it were easier to ask Ubuntu to install the experimental upgrade of some tool alongside the official version.
Many times I only needed limited functionality from the experimental version for a small sub-project of some small sub-workspace.Occasionally I fought to pull something in from some non-standard package source, usually with a fair amount of frustration, and not always with ultimate success.
Problems get hairy in a big hurry if things don't mesh.
I didn't choose Ubuntu for the pleasure of reverse engineering dpkg.I find Ubuntu easy enough to work with if I'm prepared (on a semi-permanent basis) to lag six to nine months behind the latest major update of many highly popular tools.
When I had to force Ubuntu to run something newer than whatever validated build came with my current install, I often lived to regret trying.This is problematic on several levels.
Ubuntu is often far enough behind that the upstream sources aren't terribly interested in your bug reports.
Given the nature of my work, I generally prefer to run closer to upstream than what Ubuntu manages to package.
Yet I don't want to live on a daily basis in testing.
What I want is an easy way to live one foot in, one foot out.There's a saying in sports that when you finally break into the major league, keep doing whatever it was that brought you.
Stay with your strength and build your game from there.
Too many discussions of The Desktop lose sight of this maxim.
It's tempting to look around the locker room at what everyone else is bringing and deciding that "I need to be more like them".
Desktop envy a good way to get busted back down to the minor leagues.
You don't stick in the major leagues because you click in the clubhouse.
Most discussions of the desktop feel like evaluating the roster by how great they are to hang with between games.Areas where Linux could kick the snot out of XP on the field of battle are things like having a consistent, system-wide user-selectable spell checker.
I've heard rumours of progress in this direction.Spell checkers are typically tragic.
Many times I work with text from elsewhere and I couldn't care less if American/British/Canadian spellings are mixed in every sentence.
For text I wr</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31166224</id>
	<title>Re:Adoption Stories and Influences</title>
	<author>sandGorgons</author>
	<datestamp>1265057580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That is because the wrong countries are being targetted - economies with the cash to spend on Macs and Office 2010 and you try to sell Ubuntu ?  For all its charm, one has to admit the relative lack of polish of Ubuntu vs Win7 or OSX. <br> <br>

The countries to be targetted actively are countries like India which has a highly active open source user base, has a exchange rate which works against proprietary software and has the highest growth of mobile and internet technologies.<br> <br>

And has Ubuntu, KDE or Gnome foundation based even one of their conferences in India ?  Why, when i daresay there would be hundreds of universities ready to host them for free.<br> <br>

The positioning is wrong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That is because the wrong countries are being targetted - economies with the cash to spend on Macs and Office 2010 and you try to sell Ubuntu ?
For all its charm , one has to admit the relative lack of polish of Ubuntu vs Win7 or OSX .
The countries to be targetted actively are countries like India which has a highly active open source user base , has a exchange rate which works against proprietary software and has the highest growth of mobile and internet technologies .
And has Ubuntu , KDE or Gnome foundation based even one of their conferences in India ?
Why , when i daresay there would be hundreds of universities ready to host them for free .
The positioning is wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is because the wrong countries are being targetted - economies with the cash to spend on Macs and Office 2010 and you try to sell Ubuntu ?
For all its charm, one has to admit the relative lack of polish of Ubuntu vs Win7 or OSX.
The countries to be targetted actively are countries like India which has a highly active open source user base, has a exchange rate which works against proprietary software and has the highest growth of mobile and internet technologies.
And has Ubuntu, KDE or Gnome foundation based even one of their conferences in India ?
Why, when i daresay there would be hundreds of universities ready to host them for free.
The positioning is wrong.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31168334</id>
	<title>Re:Quality Control</title>
	<author>Fr33thot</author>
	<datestamp>1265036520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>If you want reliability, why don't you stick with the LTS releases?  I know lots have been added to 9.04 and 9.10 but they are intended to be more cutting edge as a means to drive the LTS releases forward.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want reliability , why do n't you stick with the LTS releases ?
I know lots have been added to 9.04 and 9.10 but they are intended to be more cutting edge as a means to drive the LTS releases forward .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want reliability, why don't you stick with the LTS releases?
I know lots have been added to 9.04 and 9.10 but they are intended to be more cutting edge as a means to drive the LTS releases forward.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31336146</id>
	<title>Re:Revenue</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267526280000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Don't you think having a default search engine that will financially benefit Microsoft is something that will turn off many Linux users?</p><p>And more importantly, what's to keep that income to Microsoft from being used against Linux, yet again? (I read Darla M. is buying some "patents" from the remains of SCO...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't you think having a default search engine that will financially benefit Microsoft is something that will turn off many Linux users ? And more importantly , what 's to keep that income to Microsoft from being used against Linux , yet again ?
( I read Darla M. is buying some " patents " from the remains of SCO... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't you think having a default search engine that will financially benefit Microsoft is something that will turn off many Linux users?And more importantly, what's to keep that income to Microsoft from being used against Linux, yet again?
(I read Darla M. is buying some "patents" from the remains of SCO...)</sentencetext>
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	<title>Can you do anything about ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266317220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Can you do anything about duplicate posts on Slashdot?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can you do anything about duplicate posts on Slashdot ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can you do anything about duplicate posts on Slashdot?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31166796</id>
	<title>Re:Adoption Stories and Influences</title>
	<author>tuxgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1265021340000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>M$ has a very aggressive anti-Linux campaign they pour money into in volumes that would put a space station on mars along with the shuttle service to get there. Their mis-information campaign is well crafted to put doubt into the minds of anyone they can influence and maintain control of the market.</p><p>I have been running the KDE variant of Ubuntu for years. It beats all the competition hands down. Mandriva, Suse, Fedora, even the BSDs<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. don't hold a candle to Ubuntu. The Ubuntu platform is a windoz killer system. </p><p>I know an M$ fanboi that is so adamant against Linux that he won't even try a live CD just to see what the fuss is about. In his mind, viruses are a fact of life and something to not be concerned about. IE is the only browser worth using. This is the mindset of the typical windoz user.</p><p>This is why Linux has not taken over the industry, plain &amp; simple. </p><p>As far as PC gaming, Windoz does this and has the market. But gaming is not what computing is about. When I want to game, I have a console designed for gaming along with a large plasma screen. My computer is used for business, accounting &amp; development. In this regard, Windoz is a worthless platform</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>M $ has a very aggressive anti-Linux campaign they pour money into in volumes that would put a space station on mars along with the shuttle service to get there .
Their mis-information campaign is well crafted to put doubt into the minds of anyone they can influence and maintain control of the market.I have been running the KDE variant of Ubuntu for years .
It beats all the competition hands down .
Mandriva , Suse , Fedora , even the BSDs .. do n't hold a candle to Ubuntu .
The Ubuntu platform is a windoz killer system .
I know an M $ fanboi that is so adamant against Linux that he wo n't even try a live CD just to see what the fuss is about .
In his mind , viruses are a fact of life and something to not be concerned about .
IE is the only browser worth using .
This is the mindset of the typical windoz user.This is why Linux has not taken over the industry , plain &amp; simple .
As far as PC gaming , Windoz does this and has the market .
But gaming is not what computing is about .
When I want to game , I have a console designed for gaming along with a large plasma screen .
My computer is used for business , accounting &amp; development .
In this regard , Windoz is a worthless platform</tokentext>
<sentencetext>M$ has a very aggressive anti-Linux campaign they pour money into in volumes that would put a space station on mars along with the shuttle service to get there.
Their mis-information campaign is well crafted to put doubt into the minds of anyone they can influence and maintain control of the market.I have been running the KDE variant of Ubuntu for years.
It beats all the competition hands down.
Mandriva, Suse, Fedora, even the BSDs .. don't hold a candle to Ubuntu.
The Ubuntu platform is a windoz killer system.
I know an M$ fanboi that is so adamant against Linux that he won't even try a live CD just to see what the fuss is about.
In his mind, viruses are a fact of life and something to not be concerned about.
IE is the only browser worth using.
This is the mindset of the typical windoz user.This is why Linux has not taken over the industry, plain &amp; simple.
As far as PC gaming, Windoz does this and has the market.
But gaming is not what computing is about.
When I want to game, I have a console designed for gaming along with a large plasma screen.
My computer is used for business, accounting &amp; development.
In this regard, Windoz is a worthless platform</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31162888</id>
	<title>Re:What about WINE and Mono?</title>
	<author>Lunix Nutcase</author>
	<datestamp>1266328200000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>mono is tainted from the start, and is nothing but a future huge legal liability.</p></div><p>Yeah like the "Java trap" that never happened yet all you people were raving about it for years and years?</p></div>
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<tokenext>mono is tainted from the start , and is nothing but a future huge legal liability.Yeah like the " Java trap " that never happened yet all you people were raving about it for years and years ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mono is tainted from the start, and is nothing but a future huge legal liability.Yeah like the "Java trap" that never happened yet all you people were raving about it for years and years?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31162148</id>
	<title>Re:Is there a time to fork?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266324060000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So ultimately my question is, does Ubuntu have as one of its goals to enable someone like me to finally make the switch to Linux?</p></div><p> <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/+viewstatus" title="launchpad.net">Yes</a> [launchpad.net]. The trouble is, if you frame it that way then Linux has to dislodge every incumbent market dominating piece of software which is well beyond the capability of Shuttleworth. I think it's actually beyond the capability of the whole open source community. Even things like Firefox which is one of the grand champions of open source only got 25\% market share, the old ways sit hard.</p><p>Microsoft won't budge but the other companies, they're just looking for a business case and you'll have Adobe CS - the real thing - on Ubuntu. Of course, this is the old chicken and egg problem. Well, I think the only way out of that is not trying to win every niche. There's many, many people that need only basic software, but they're also the kind of user you can't require a degree in CS to administrate their box - those groups are almost mutually exclusive.</p><p>I don't think Shuttlworth has so many other ways to go than the one he's going, trying to polish it up so new users can use it and trying to create one big target that hopefully some commmercial companies will start to pick up on. Don't think they'll support ten different distros, it'll be like server software. If you want support, you're running our configuration. If it runs anyway, great for you but not our problem when it breaks. If you think all people will ever need is OSS, then we'll be at 1\% another ten years.</p></div>
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<tokenext>So ultimately my question is , does Ubuntu have as one of its goals to enable someone like me to finally make the switch to Linux ?
Yes [ launchpad.net ] .
The trouble is , if you frame it that way then Linux has to dislodge every incumbent market dominating piece of software which is well beyond the capability of Shuttleworth .
I think it 's actually beyond the capability of the whole open source community .
Even things like Firefox which is one of the grand champions of open source only got 25 \ % market share , the old ways sit hard.Microsoft wo n't budge but the other companies , they 're just looking for a business case and you 'll have Adobe CS - the real thing - on Ubuntu .
Of course , this is the old chicken and egg problem .
Well , I think the only way out of that is not trying to win every niche .
There 's many , many people that need only basic software , but they 're also the kind of user you ca n't require a degree in CS to administrate their box - those groups are almost mutually exclusive.I do n't think Shuttlworth has so many other ways to go than the one he 's going , trying to polish it up so new users can use it and trying to create one big target that hopefully some commmercial companies will start to pick up on .
Do n't think they 'll support ten different distros , it 'll be like server software .
If you want support , you 're running our configuration .
If it runs anyway , great for you but not our problem when it breaks .
If you think all people will ever need is OSS , then we 'll be at 1 \ % another ten years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So ultimately my question is, does Ubuntu have as one of its goals to enable someone like me to finally make the switch to Linux?
Yes [launchpad.net].
The trouble is, if you frame it that way then Linux has to dislodge every incumbent market dominating piece of software which is well beyond the capability of Shuttleworth.
I think it's actually beyond the capability of the whole open source community.
Even things like Firefox which is one of the grand champions of open source only got 25\% market share, the old ways sit hard.Microsoft won't budge but the other companies, they're just looking for a business case and you'll have Adobe CS - the real thing - on Ubuntu.
Of course, this is the old chicken and egg problem.
Well, I think the only way out of that is not trying to win every niche.
There's many, many people that need only basic software, but they're also the kind of user you can't require a degree in CS to administrate their box - those groups are almost mutually exclusive.I don't think Shuttlworth has so many other ways to go than the one he's going, trying to polish it up so new users can use it and trying to create one big target that hopefully some commmercial companies will start to pick up on.
Don't think they'll support ten different distros, it'll be like server software.
If you want support, you're running our configuration.
If it runs anyway, great for you but not our problem when it breaks.
If you think all people will ever need is OSS, then we'll be at 1\% another ten years.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161736</id>
	<title>Re:What about WINE and Mono?</title>
	<author>randallman</author>
	<datestamp>1266321900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Especially on LTS releases.  For most non-geeks, a major upgrade every 6 months is too much.  Going from LTS to LTS is more realistic.  Right now, 8.04 is the current LTS and installing new software (e.g. gtkpod, songbird) is very difficult because it too often requires upgrades of major libraries.  For an OS only 2 years old, that's not good.</p><p>Ubuntu's (and other Linux distros) heavy use of dynamic libraries are a major contributor to this problem.  It would be great if Ubuntu could provide updates to libraries to allow newer applications to run.  I don't know how it might be done.  Maybe having multiple versions or just insuring backwards compatibility.  A 3 year old Ubuntu PC needs to be able to install the latest versions of software easily.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Especially on LTS releases .
For most non-geeks , a major upgrade every 6 months is too much .
Going from LTS to LTS is more realistic .
Right now , 8.04 is the current LTS and installing new software ( e.g .
gtkpod , songbird ) is very difficult because it too often requires upgrades of major libraries .
For an OS only 2 years old , that 's not good.Ubuntu 's ( and other Linux distros ) heavy use of dynamic libraries are a major contributor to this problem .
It would be great if Ubuntu could provide updates to libraries to allow newer applications to run .
I do n't know how it might be done .
Maybe having multiple versions or just insuring backwards compatibility .
A 3 year old Ubuntu PC needs to be able to install the latest versions of software easily .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Especially on LTS releases.
For most non-geeks, a major upgrade every 6 months is too much.
Going from LTS to LTS is more realistic.
Right now, 8.04 is the current LTS and installing new software (e.g.
gtkpod, songbird) is very difficult because it too often requires upgrades of major libraries.
For an OS only 2 years old, that's not good.Ubuntu's (and other Linux distros) heavy use of dynamic libraries are a major contributor to this problem.
It would be great if Ubuntu could provide updates to libraries to allow newer applications to run.
I don't know how it might be done.
Maybe having multiple versions or just insuring backwards compatibility.
A 3 year old Ubuntu PC needs to be able to install the latest versions of software easily.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31164338</id>
	<title>What can Canonical do to reduce fragmentation?</title>
	<author>elh\_inny</author>
	<datestamp>1266338460000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I think that fragmentation is a huge issue for linux distributions.<br>When you're seeking support, the potential community and support companies are split between hundreds of distros and different versions too.<br>Is there anything you are planning to do gather Linux users under one umbrella?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that fragmentation is a huge issue for linux distributions.When you 're seeking support , the potential community and support companies are split between hundreds of distros and different versions too.Is there anything you are planning to do gather Linux users under one umbrella ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that fragmentation is a huge issue for linux distributions.When you're seeking support, the potential community and support companies are split between hundreds of distros and different versions too.Is there anything you are planning to do gather Linux users under one umbrella?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Regressions, not just KDE</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265022180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I've been using ubuntu since, I'm thinking, 4.10 or something. It was the best distro available and great for the relative newbie to linux I was then. I was sick to death of the probnlems of Mandrake and RPM's that never seemed to install properly, and ubuntu was a godsend.</p><p>But it's been on a downhill slide since 7.10. I still sort of think that, or maybe 6.06, was the best release. That's quite a long track record of inconsistency, regressions, and distro specific bugs. From the beginning of these nuisances when they decided to completely overhaul the init handling to this last fiasco with an essentially permanent bug in the disk i/o of 9.04 (which was nearly the last straw for me) it seems every new release I hope and hope and am, within days, am disappointed all over again. I just don't know which distribution I want to embrace in its stead. About the best I can say for ubuntu now is I'd prefer it to any release built on the hell of RPM that I remember... and to me, that ain't saying much.</p><p>I so wish they would spend one release cycle with nothing more "new" than the latest kernel and stable libraries. Ubuntu already has lots of nice features; strip out the ubu-centric bullshit of mono, go back to gthumb and focus on making the core of the desktop - like nautilus and firefox and evolution - the most rock solid they can be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using ubuntu since , I 'm thinking , 4.10 or something .
It was the best distro available and great for the relative newbie to linux I was then .
I was sick to death of the probnlems of Mandrake and RPM 's that never seemed to install properly , and ubuntu was a godsend.But it 's been on a downhill slide since 7.10 .
I still sort of think that , or maybe 6.06 , was the best release .
That 's quite a long track record of inconsistency , regressions , and distro specific bugs .
From the beginning of these nuisances when they decided to completely overhaul the init handling to this last fiasco with an essentially permanent bug in the disk i/o of 9.04 ( which was nearly the last straw for me ) it seems every new release I hope and hope and am , within days , am disappointed all over again .
I just do n't know which distribution I want to embrace in its stead .
About the best I can say for ubuntu now is I 'd prefer it to any release built on the hell of RPM that I remember... and to me , that ai n't saying much.I so wish they would spend one release cycle with nothing more " new " than the latest kernel and stable libraries .
Ubuntu already has lots of nice features ; strip out the ubu-centric bullshit of mono , go back to gthumb and focus on making the core of the desktop - like nautilus and firefox and evolution - the most rock solid they can be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using ubuntu since, I'm thinking, 4.10 or something.
It was the best distro available and great for the relative newbie to linux I was then.
I was sick to death of the probnlems of Mandrake and RPM's that never seemed to install properly, and ubuntu was a godsend.But it's been on a downhill slide since 7.10.
I still sort of think that, or maybe 6.06, was the best release.
That's quite a long track record of inconsistency, regressions, and distro specific bugs.
From the beginning of these nuisances when they decided to completely overhaul the init handling to this last fiasco with an essentially permanent bug in the disk i/o of 9.04 (which was nearly the last straw for me) it seems every new release I hope and hope and am, within days, am disappointed all over again.
I just don't know which distribution I want to embrace in its stead.
About the best I can say for ubuntu now is I'd prefer it to any release built on the hell of RPM that I remember... and to me, that ain't saying much.I so wish they would spend one release cycle with nothing more "new" than the latest kernel and stable libraries.
Ubuntu already has lots of nice features; strip out the ubu-centric bullshit of mono, go back to gthumb and focus on making the core of the desktop - like nautilus and firefox and evolution - the most rock solid they can be.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31165354</id>
	<title>Re:Quality Control</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266345240000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>If you're concerned about this, stick with LTS releases.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're concerned about this , stick with LTS releases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're concerned about this, stick with LTS releases.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161788</id>
	<title>Re:Is there a time to fork?</title>
	<author>99BottlesOfBeerInMyF</author>
	<datestamp>1266322260000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>To be a little more specific (and to answer my own question a little bit) it seems to me that a fair amount of the problem isn't the OS itself, but the associate applications.</p></div><p>Clearly the larger the install base for an OS, the more applications are likely to be developed for it, but additionally the ease of developing, marketing, and getting those applications to the end user plays a big role. I know the current Canonical roadmap includes an App Store built into the package manager, to facilitate developers marketing and delivering applications to end users, similar to what Apple has done with the iPhone App Store. Ubuntu can also capitalize upon nonproifit collaborative development by acting as a facilitator and contributor to application development needed by larger organizations needing software and with a budget for development.</p><p>That said, I think Canonical should do more than just that. The App store in the application manager should be a priority, but to be realistic unless Ubuntu gains a lot of market share, this is going to be a big uphill battle. Several strategies could help alleviate this problem:</p><ul> <li>Create a good, easy, cross platform development environment so developers can target Ubuntu and another OS (Windows or OS X) simultaneously with first rate applications that work well with both. This would mean either embracing WINE in a big way (since MS is not going to play ball) or making a partnership with Apple to create a more interoperable format for applications that run on both Linux and OS X.</li><li>Create an in house application development program that targets multiple platforms and makes better applications on other platforms than are available. Don't make a Photoshop clone for Linux. Make a Photoshop clone for Linux, Windows, and OS X, that is better for some group of users than Photoshop is. Maybe this means more feature-ful, or maybe it just means much cheaper while still good. This group can make commercial software and make a profit, while targeting application niches that are holding up Linux adoption.</li><li>Find partners - One of the reasons linux adoption is low is because Linux pre-installs are very rare. Hardware partners that need a free OS and some knowhow to customize it also have the money to pay for application development and other partners who might be willing to target that market. </li></ul><p><div class="quote"><p>Even having personally gotten some graphic designers to try the GIMP, I have yet to know any professional designers who find it adequate.</p></div><p>I've worked as a professional graphic designer and as a part-time graphic designer in startups. I do use both Linux and GIMP and it is not only adequate but superior for some tasks. Sadly, this is not all tasks. I mostly have used it for batch processing of images where automating the work via scripts was important. Of late, I use it even less, since OS X has some nice, built in scripting that works well with Photoshop, Pixelmator, and GraphicConverter. </p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...but does there come a time when you say, "We need a serious Adobe CS competitor for our OS to be competitive on the desktop, so let's make that happen"? If so, what happens then?</p></div><p>This is an interesting question, but I don't think Ubuntu is there yet. A lot of low hanging fruit is available before the professional graphic design niche is worth targeting. Home users and Corporate Workstations are the two biggest of these. The former is mostly there sans a market for good games and reworking the application manager to facilitate generic commercial software. The latter will probably be best entered into by targeting government and education first and letting the market share do more of the work instead of Canonical trying to brute force it.</p><p>It's nice to read a post from someone who can intelligently point out real problem spots and ask good questions. Hopefully some of your post makes its way to Mr. Asay so we can hear his take.</p></div>
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<tokenext>To be a little more specific ( and to answer my own question a little bit ) it seems to me that a fair amount of the problem is n't the OS itself , but the associate applications.Clearly the larger the install base for an OS , the more applications are likely to be developed for it , but additionally the ease of developing , marketing , and getting those applications to the end user plays a big role .
I know the current Canonical roadmap includes an App Store built into the package manager , to facilitate developers marketing and delivering applications to end users , similar to what Apple has done with the iPhone App Store .
Ubuntu can also capitalize upon nonproifit collaborative development by acting as a facilitator and contributor to application development needed by larger organizations needing software and with a budget for development.That said , I think Canonical should do more than just that .
The App store in the application manager should be a priority , but to be realistic unless Ubuntu gains a lot of market share , this is going to be a big uphill battle .
Several strategies could help alleviate this problem : Create a good , easy , cross platform development environment so developers can target Ubuntu and another OS ( Windows or OS X ) simultaneously with first rate applications that work well with both .
This would mean either embracing WINE in a big way ( since MS is not going to play ball ) or making a partnership with Apple to create a more interoperable format for applications that run on both Linux and OS X.Create an in house application development program that targets multiple platforms and makes better applications on other platforms than are available .
Do n't make a Photoshop clone for Linux .
Make a Photoshop clone for Linux , Windows , and OS X , that is better for some group of users than Photoshop is .
Maybe this means more feature-ful , or maybe it just means much cheaper while still good .
This group can make commercial software and make a profit , while targeting application niches that are holding up Linux adoption.Find partners - One of the reasons linux adoption is low is because Linux pre-installs are very rare .
Hardware partners that need a free OS and some knowhow to customize it also have the money to pay for application development and other partners who might be willing to target that market .
Even having personally gotten some graphic designers to try the GIMP , I have yet to know any professional designers who find it adequate.I 've worked as a professional graphic designer and as a part-time graphic designer in startups .
I do use both Linux and GIMP and it is not only adequate but superior for some tasks .
Sadly , this is not all tasks .
I mostly have used it for batch processing of images where automating the work via scripts was important .
Of late , I use it even less , since OS X has some nice , built in scripting that works well with Photoshop , Pixelmator , and GraphicConverter .
...but does there come a time when you say , " We need a serious Adobe CS competitor for our OS to be competitive on the desktop , so let 's make that happen " ?
If so , what happens then ? This is an interesting question , but I do n't think Ubuntu is there yet .
A lot of low hanging fruit is available before the professional graphic design niche is worth targeting .
Home users and Corporate Workstations are the two biggest of these .
The former is mostly there sans a market for good games and reworking the application manager to facilitate generic commercial software .
The latter will probably be best entered into by targeting government and education first and letting the market share do more of the work instead of Canonical trying to brute force it.It 's nice to read a post from someone who can intelligently point out real problem spots and ask good questions .
Hopefully some of your post makes its way to Mr. Asay so we can hear his take .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be a little more specific (and to answer my own question a little bit) it seems to me that a fair amount of the problem isn't the OS itself, but the associate applications.Clearly the larger the install base for an OS, the more applications are likely to be developed for it, but additionally the ease of developing, marketing, and getting those applications to the end user plays a big role.
I know the current Canonical roadmap includes an App Store built into the package manager, to facilitate developers marketing and delivering applications to end users, similar to what Apple has done with the iPhone App Store.
Ubuntu can also capitalize upon nonproifit collaborative development by acting as a facilitator and contributor to application development needed by larger organizations needing software and with a budget for development.That said, I think Canonical should do more than just that.
The App store in the application manager should be a priority, but to be realistic unless Ubuntu gains a lot of market share, this is going to be a big uphill battle.
Several strategies could help alleviate this problem: Create a good, easy, cross platform development environment so developers can target Ubuntu and another OS (Windows or OS X) simultaneously with first rate applications that work well with both.
This would mean either embracing WINE in a big way (since MS is not going to play ball) or making a partnership with Apple to create a more interoperable format for applications that run on both Linux and OS X.Create an in house application development program that targets multiple platforms and makes better applications on other platforms than are available.
Don't make a Photoshop clone for Linux.
Make a Photoshop clone for Linux, Windows, and OS X, that is better for some group of users than Photoshop is.
Maybe this means more feature-ful, or maybe it just means much cheaper while still good.
This group can make commercial software and make a profit, while targeting application niches that are holding up Linux adoption.Find partners - One of the reasons linux adoption is low is because Linux pre-installs are very rare.
Hardware partners that need a free OS and some knowhow to customize it also have the money to pay for application development and other partners who might be willing to target that market.
Even having personally gotten some graphic designers to try the GIMP, I have yet to know any professional designers who find it adequate.I've worked as a professional graphic designer and as a part-time graphic designer in startups.
I do use both Linux and GIMP and it is not only adequate but superior for some tasks.
Sadly, this is not all tasks.
I mostly have used it for batch processing of images where automating the work via scripts was important.
Of late, I use it even less, since OS X has some nice, built in scripting that works well with Photoshop, Pixelmator, and GraphicConverter.
...but does there come a time when you say, "We need a serious Adobe CS competitor for our OS to be competitive on the desktop, so let's make that happen"?
If so, what happens then?This is an interesting question, but I don't think Ubuntu is there yet.
A lot of low hanging fruit is available before the professional graphic design niche is worth targeting.
Home users and Corporate Workstations are the two biggest of these.
The former is mostly there sans a market for good games and reworking the application manager to facilitate generic commercial software.
The latter will probably be best entered into by targeting government and education first and letting the market share do more of the work instead of Canonical trying to brute force it.It's nice to read a post from someone who can intelligently point out real problem spots and ask good questions.
Hopefully some of your post makes its way to Mr. Asay so we can hear his take.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161056</id>
	<title>KDE &amp; LXDE</title>
	<author>MonsterTrimble</author>
	<datestamp>1266318720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a few questions as a loyal *buntu user:</p><p>

1) Do you feel Kubuntu's 'Operation Timelord' is a step in the right direction for the distribution? If so, why do you feel it was allowed to slip far enough to warrant a complete overhaul?<br>
2) Do you see Kubuntu &amp; Xubuntu becoming purely community-supported distros with Canonical focusing solely on Ubuntu desktop &amp; server?<br>
3) With Xubuntu's memory &amp; CPU requirements being on par with Ubuntu's and Mark Shuttleworth's invite 'to become a self-maintained project in the Ubuntu community' (according to lxde.org), does this signal an end to Xubuntu as a whole or at the very least the 'lightweight' *buntu distribution?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a few questions as a loyal * buntu user : 1 ) Do you feel Kubuntu 's 'Operation Timelord ' is a step in the right direction for the distribution ?
If so , why do you feel it was allowed to slip far enough to warrant a complete overhaul ?
2 ) Do you see Kubuntu &amp; Xubuntu becoming purely community-supported distros with Canonical focusing solely on Ubuntu desktop &amp; server ?
3 ) With Xubuntu 's memory &amp; CPU requirements being on par with Ubuntu 's and Mark Shuttleworth 's invite 'to become a self-maintained project in the Ubuntu community ' ( according to lxde.org ) , does this signal an end to Xubuntu as a whole or at the very least the 'lightweight ' * buntu distribution ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a few questions as a loyal *buntu user:

1) Do you feel Kubuntu's 'Operation Timelord' is a step in the right direction for the distribution?
If so, why do you feel it was allowed to slip far enough to warrant a complete overhaul?
2) Do you see Kubuntu &amp; Xubuntu becoming purely community-supported distros with Canonical focusing solely on Ubuntu desktop &amp; server?
3) With Xubuntu's memory &amp; CPU requirements being on par with Ubuntu's and Mark Shuttleworth's invite 'to become a self-maintained project in the Ubuntu community' (according to lxde.org), does this signal an end to Xubuntu as a whole or at the very least the 'lightweight' *buntu distribution?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31162836</id>
	<title>Ubuntu vs Windows vs Google</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266327780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Back in 2006, Ubuntu was in a strong position. Microsoft was mired in XP and Windows Mobile was just an afterthought. Then Vista came out to widespread disappointment. Netbooks created an important new market that Vista couldn't serve. Ubuntu had two years to do something amazing. Then Windows 7 came out. Then Google released Android. Then they announced ChromeOS. Now Microsoft have announced Windows Mobile 7 and it looks great. There doesn't appear to be much room in the consumer market any more. Is Ubuntu going to even try to fight the big boys now? Or is it going to take the standard Linux route of retreating back into the bespoke corporate world?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Back in 2006 , Ubuntu was in a strong position .
Microsoft was mired in XP and Windows Mobile was just an afterthought .
Then Vista came out to widespread disappointment .
Netbooks created an important new market that Vista could n't serve .
Ubuntu had two years to do something amazing .
Then Windows 7 came out .
Then Google released Android .
Then they announced ChromeOS .
Now Microsoft have announced Windows Mobile 7 and it looks great .
There does n't appear to be much room in the consumer market any more .
Is Ubuntu going to even try to fight the big boys now ?
Or is it going to take the standard Linux route of retreating back into the bespoke corporate world ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back in 2006, Ubuntu was in a strong position.
Microsoft was mired in XP and Windows Mobile was just an afterthought.
Then Vista came out to widespread disappointment.
Netbooks created an important new market that Vista couldn't serve.
Ubuntu had two years to do something amazing.
Then Windows 7 came out.
Then Google released Android.
Then they announced ChromeOS.
Now Microsoft have announced Windows Mobile 7 and it looks great.
There doesn't appear to be much room in the consumer market any more.
Is Ubuntu going to even try to fight the big boys now?
Or is it going to take the standard Linux route of retreating back into the bespoke corporate world?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31167956</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu and KDE</title>
	<author>Threni</author>
	<datestamp>1265034360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; do they have a responsibility to try and put out a quality KDE desktop</p><p>Responsibility to who?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; do they have a responsibility to try and put out a quality KDE desktopResponsibility to who ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; do they have a responsibility to try and put out a quality KDE desktopResponsibility to who?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31163040</id>
	<title>On Management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266328980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've used GNU/Linux for over 18 years in both a personal and professional capacity. In high school I compiled my first Linux kernel on an old 386. Over the years, I've exchanged emails with Richard Stallman, Matthias Ettrich, and other notable free/open source personalities. I've also developed a significant open source application myself. Further, I've used Ubuntu on both servers and desktops and advocated for its use by many people.</p><p>Just giving you a sense of where I'm coming from. My personal opinion of what is holding Ubuntu back is the management organization, or lack thereof, around various open projects. Intimately connected to this is the lack of an elegant and straightforward business model around funding open source software, including training, marketing, documentation, support, etc. Marketing and sales are often what both compel users to use software that they may not at first know they need, and often drive feedback back into the development process as far as what new direction to take the software on behalf of the users.</p><p>As much as the GPL focuses on the "freedom to modify the code", this is targeted first and foremost at developers. Outside of an academic need to learn and modify a program's code, most people would never want to *need* the freedom to modify the code, as it implies that for some reason the software doesn't do what they want. They would often rather, even if they do know how to code, have the organization behind the software add the capability to the software without having either to roll up their sleeves and do it themselves or get someone else to do it (on a contract basis), much less "beg" on some mailing list.</p><p>So my question is, what can really, truly be done to change the perspective of FOSS away from developers or technical users who use the software, and on to end users of the software, whether individuals or businesses? Most users don't even know what a web browser is. I've seen your blog posts about the simplicity of Apple and making technology as transparent as possible in peoples' lives.</p><p>Can anything be done to change the culture around who the target demographic is for users of open source software, for many of whom the whole notion is actually a huge liability rather than a benefit, if they even understand what source code is?</p><p>Don't get me wrong, I've been a very true believer for many, many years. I'm just feeling a bit despondent with the trends moving at an ever accelerating pace away from an individual's having any hope of control over their computing experience and context. While that control implies having access to the source code if you absolutely need it in a "worst case scenario", more often than not, it implies having an organizational and management structure around projects that both service the customer's existing needs and anticipate needs they didn't even know they had. An economic ecosystem around the software that includes economic transactions and the implied relationship between buyer and seller with respect to expectations on both sides I think is a big part of this.</p><p>Can you see any way to duplicate this effect within the FOSS community while simultaneously changing the culture around who the software is serving, besides an "itch"?</p><p>Thanks!</p><p>David Thomson</p><p>suprasphere \_\_\_ a\_t \_\_\_\_ gmail</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've used GNU/Linux for over 18 years in both a personal and professional capacity .
In high school I compiled my first Linux kernel on an old 386 .
Over the years , I 've exchanged emails with Richard Stallman , Matthias Ettrich , and other notable free/open source personalities .
I 've also developed a significant open source application myself .
Further , I 've used Ubuntu on both servers and desktops and advocated for its use by many people.Just giving you a sense of where I 'm coming from .
My personal opinion of what is holding Ubuntu back is the management organization , or lack thereof , around various open projects .
Intimately connected to this is the lack of an elegant and straightforward business model around funding open source software , including training , marketing , documentation , support , etc .
Marketing and sales are often what both compel users to use software that they may not at first know they need , and often drive feedback back into the development process as far as what new direction to take the software on behalf of the users.As much as the GPL focuses on the " freedom to modify the code " , this is targeted first and foremost at developers .
Outside of an academic need to learn and modify a program 's code , most people would never want to * need * the freedom to modify the code , as it implies that for some reason the software does n't do what they want .
They would often rather , even if they do know how to code , have the organization behind the software add the capability to the software without having either to roll up their sleeves and do it themselves or get someone else to do it ( on a contract basis ) , much less " beg " on some mailing list.So my question is , what can really , truly be done to change the perspective of FOSS away from developers or technical users who use the software , and on to end users of the software , whether individuals or businesses ?
Most users do n't even know what a web browser is .
I 've seen your blog posts about the simplicity of Apple and making technology as transparent as possible in peoples ' lives.Can anything be done to change the culture around who the target demographic is for users of open source software , for many of whom the whole notion is actually a huge liability rather than a benefit , if they even understand what source code is ? Do n't get me wrong , I 've been a very true believer for many , many years .
I 'm just feeling a bit despondent with the trends moving at an ever accelerating pace away from an individual 's having any hope of control over their computing experience and context .
While that control implies having access to the source code if you absolutely need it in a " worst case scenario " , more often than not , it implies having an organizational and management structure around projects that both service the customer 's existing needs and anticipate needs they did n't even know they had .
An economic ecosystem around the software that includes economic transactions and the implied relationship between buyer and seller with respect to expectations on both sides I think is a big part of this.Can you see any way to duplicate this effect within the FOSS community while simultaneously changing the culture around who the software is serving , besides an " itch " ? Thanks ! David Thomsonsuprasphere \ _ \ _ \ _ a \ _t \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ gmail</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've used GNU/Linux for over 18 years in both a personal and professional capacity.
In high school I compiled my first Linux kernel on an old 386.
Over the years, I've exchanged emails with Richard Stallman, Matthias Ettrich, and other notable free/open source personalities.
I've also developed a significant open source application myself.
Further, I've used Ubuntu on both servers and desktops and advocated for its use by many people.Just giving you a sense of where I'm coming from.
My personal opinion of what is holding Ubuntu back is the management organization, or lack thereof, around various open projects.
Intimately connected to this is the lack of an elegant and straightforward business model around funding open source software, including training, marketing, documentation, support, etc.
Marketing and sales are often what both compel users to use software that they may not at first know they need, and often drive feedback back into the development process as far as what new direction to take the software on behalf of the users.As much as the GPL focuses on the "freedom to modify the code", this is targeted first and foremost at developers.
Outside of an academic need to learn and modify a program's code, most people would never want to *need* the freedom to modify the code, as it implies that for some reason the software doesn't do what they want.
They would often rather, even if they do know how to code, have the organization behind the software add the capability to the software without having either to roll up their sleeves and do it themselves or get someone else to do it (on a contract basis), much less "beg" on some mailing list.So my question is, what can really, truly be done to change the perspective of FOSS away from developers or technical users who use the software, and on to end users of the software, whether individuals or businesses?
Most users don't even know what a web browser is.
I've seen your blog posts about the simplicity of Apple and making technology as transparent as possible in peoples' lives.Can anything be done to change the culture around who the target demographic is for users of open source software, for many of whom the whole notion is actually a huge liability rather than a benefit, if they even understand what source code is?Don't get me wrong, I've been a very true believer for many, many years.
I'm just feeling a bit despondent with the trends moving at an ever accelerating pace away from an individual's having any hope of control over their computing experience and context.
While that control implies having access to the source code if you absolutely need it in a "worst case scenario", more often than not, it implies having an organizational and management structure around projects that both service the customer's existing needs and anticipate needs they didn't even know they had.
An economic ecosystem around the software that includes economic transactions and the implied relationship between buyer and seller with respect to expectations on both sides I think is a big part of this.Can you see any way to duplicate this effect within the FOSS community while simultaneously changing the culture around who the software is serving, besides an "itch"?Thanks!David Thomsonsuprasphere \_\_\_ a\_t \_\_\_\_ gmail</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161200</id>
	<title>Debian</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1266319320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everyone knows Ubuntu is an ancient African word for "I can't configure Debian". How come you can't configure Debian but were able to create a whole other distro?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone knows Ubuntu is an ancient African word for " I ca n't configure Debian " .
How come you ca n't configure Debian but were able to create a whole other distro ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone knows Ubuntu is an ancient African word for "I can't configure Debian".
How come you can't configure Debian but were able to create a whole other distro?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160880</id>
	<title>Re:How come I can't install RealPlayer on Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1266317820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It may not be a troll but it's a sign of not knowing what you're doing. Hell, one of the first things I did when properly moving over to Linux was install Opera on Ubuntu. I don't think the process could have been any easier.
<br> <br>
You'll need to speak to the developers of Nesticle and Stella as to why their ports may be interior.
<br> <br>
System -&gt;Adminitration -&gt; System monitor will give you all sorts of stats on your CPU, memory, processes running, etc.
<br> <br>
Not sure why the hell you need to go down to 640x480 but holding the Alt key allows you to move the window. You'll find this sort of problem on any OS. When I remote desktop into my work machine (dual screen) which is XP, if I need something that was on the second screen, it can be a nightmare to get it when Windows don't move things to fit my laptop screen.
<br> <br>
I haven't used dial-up in ages let alone attempt to use something like Netscape ISP but searching for ubuntu netscape isp returns a few results form the wonderfully helpful ubuntu forums
<br> <br>
Not sure about your file issue but sometimes I lose ownership of my drives when re-installing Ubuntu so I ust make my new username the owner of them and it's sorted. Look into using the cli command chown ( <a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions" title="ubuntu.com">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions</a> [ubuntu.com] ) or do it through the GUI by right clicking on the the folder, clicking properties, going to permissions and modifying permissions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It may not be a troll but it 's a sign of not knowing what you 're doing .
Hell , one of the first things I did when properly moving over to Linux was install Opera on Ubuntu .
I do n't think the process could have been any easier .
You 'll need to speak to the developers of Nesticle and Stella as to why their ports may be interior .
System - &gt; Adminitration - &gt; System monitor will give you all sorts of stats on your CPU , memory , processes running , etc .
Not sure why the hell you need to go down to 640x480 but holding the Alt key allows you to move the window .
You 'll find this sort of problem on any OS .
When I remote desktop into my work machine ( dual screen ) which is XP , if I need something that was on the second screen , it can be a nightmare to get it when Windows do n't move things to fit my laptop screen .
I have n't used dial-up in ages let alone attempt to use something like Netscape ISP but searching for ubuntu netscape isp returns a few results form the wonderfully helpful ubuntu forums Not sure about your file issue but sometimes I lose ownership of my drives when re-installing Ubuntu so I ust make my new username the owner of them and it 's sorted .
Look into using the cli command chown ( https : //help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions [ ubuntu.com ] ) or do it through the GUI by right clicking on the the folder , clicking properties , going to permissions and modifying permissions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It may not be a troll but it's a sign of not knowing what you're doing.
Hell, one of the first things I did when properly moving over to Linux was install Opera on Ubuntu.
I don't think the process could have been any easier.
You'll need to speak to the developers of Nesticle and Stella as to why their ports may be interior.
System -&gt;Adminitration -&gt; System monitor will give you all sorts of stats on your CPU, memory, processes running, etc.
Not sure why the hell you need to go down to 640x480 but holding the Alt key allows you to move the window.
You'll find this sort of problem on any OS.
When I remote desktop into my work machine (dual screen) which is XP, if I need something that was on the second screen, it can be a nightmare to get it when Windows don't move things to fit my laptop screen.
I haven't used dial-up in ages let alone attempt to use something like Netscape ISP but searching for ubuntu netscape isp returns a few results form the wonderfully helpful ubuntu forums
 
Not sure about your file issue but sometimes I lose ownership of my drives when re-installing Ubuntu so I ust make my new username the owner of them and it's sorted.
Look into using the cli command chown ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions [ubuntu.com] ) or do it through the GUI by right clicking on the the folder, clicking properties, going to permissions and modifying permissions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31162544</id>
	<title>Walking the Walk</title>
	<author>HRbnjR</author>
	<datestamp>1266326100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Alfresco takes what is essentially an unstable snapshot of the publicly available and GPL'd Community Edition, branches it into a private source repository, stabilizes that private codebase, and makes stable point releases of the commercially licensed Enterprise Edition from that.  Sure, fixes from Enterprise Edition are eventually rolled back into the unstable Community Edition trunk, but there is never a stable point release made for the GPL licensed Community Edition.  So, if our company wants open source (ie GPL) code for all the products we use in production, we can't get it from Alfresco!</p><p>Alfresco partner companies are banned from providing services to clients against the open source Community Edition.</p><p>If I fix a critical bug by patching the code for my licensed copy of Enterprise Edition, then I can no longer receive support from Alfresco for the product.</p><p>If I try to take part in the open source community and send patches for the product upstream to Alfresco, they either languish untouched:</p><p><a href="https://issues.alfresco.com/jira/browse/ETWOTWO-1125" title="alfresco.com">https://issues.alfresco.com/jira/browse/ETWOTWO-1125</a> [alfresco.com]<br><a href="https://issues.alfresco.com/jira/browse/ALFCOM-2810" title="alfresco.com">https://issues.alfresco.com/jira/browse/ALFCOM-2810</a> [alfresco.com]<br><a href="https://issues.alfresco.com/jira/browse/ALFCOM-3301" title="alfresco.com">https://issues.alfresco.com/jira/browse/ALFCOM-3301</a> [alfresco.com]</p><p>Or are just flat out closed with no reason given (despite being obvious problems):</p><p><a href="https://issues.alfresco.com/jira/browse/ALFCOM-3308" title="alfresco.com">https://issues.alfresco.com/jira/browse/ALFCOM-3308</a> [alfresco.com]</p><p>So, it seems to me Mr Asay, that although you really like to talk the talk, and although you might just meet the basic legal requirements to qualify as Open Source, when it comes to the spirit and community surrounding Free Software, I don't think you really understand how to walk the walk?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Alfresco takes what is essentially an unstable snapshot of the publicly available and GPL 'd Community Edition , branches it into a private source repository , stabilizes that private codebase , and makes stable point releases of the commercially licensed Enterprise Edition from that .
Sure , fixes from Enterprise Edition are eventually rolled back into the unstable Community Edition trunk , but there is never a stable point release made for the GPL licensed Community Edition .
So , if our company wants open source ( ie GPL ) code for all the products we use in production , we ca n't get it from Alfresco ! Alfresco partner companies are banned from providing services to clients against the open source Community Edition.If I fix a critical bug by patching the code for my licensed copy of Enterprise Edition , then I can no longer receive support from Alfresco for the product.If I try to take part in the open source community and send patches for the product upstream to Alfresco , they either languish untouched : https : //issues.alfresco.com/jira/browse/ETWOTWO-1125 [ alfresco.com ] https : //issues.alfresco.com/jira/browse/ALFCOM-2810 [ alfresco.com ] https : //issues.alfresco.com/jira/browse/ALFCOM-3301 [ alfresco.com ] Or are just flat out closed with no reason given ( despite being obvious problems ) : https : //issues.alfresco.com/jira/browse/ALFCOM-3308 [ alfresco.com ] So , it seems to me Mr Asay , that although you really like to talk the talk , and although you might just meet the basic legal requirements to qualify as Open Source , when it comes to the spirit and community surrounding Free Software , I do n't think you really understand how to walk the walk ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alfresco takes what is essentially an unstable snapshot of the publicly available and GPL'd Community Edition, branches it into a private source repository, stabilizes that private codebase, and makes stable point releases of the commercially licensed Enterprise Edition from that.
Sure, fixes from Enterprise Edition are eventually rolled back into the unstable Community Edition trunk, but there is never a stable point release made for the GPL licensed Community Edition.
So, if our company wants open source (ie GPL) code for all the products we use in production, we can't get it from Alfresco!Alfresco partner companies are banned from providing services to clients against the open source Community Edition.If I fix a critical bug by patching the code for my licensed copy of Enterprise Edition, then I can no longer receive support from Alfresco for the product.If I try to take part in the open source community and send patches for the product upstream to Alfresco, they either languish untouched:https://issues.alfresco.com/jira/browse/ETWOTWO-1125 [alfresco.com]https://issues.alfresco.com/jira/browse/ALFCOM-2810 [alfresco.com]https://issues.alfresco.com/jira/browse/ALFCOM-3301 [alfresco.com]Or are just flat out closed with no reason given (despite being obvious problems):https://issues.alfresco.com/jira/browse/ALFCOM-3308 [alfresco.com]So, it seems to me Mr Asay, that although you really like to talk the talk, and although you might just meet the basic legal requirements to qualify as Open Source, when it comes to the spirit and community surrounding Free Software, I don't think you really understand how to walk the walk?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31175224</id>
	<title>Ugly Corporate Face</title>
	<author>LuYu</author>
	<datestamp>1265016240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I attempted to visit a local Canonical office last year and was given quite a cold reception.  Even though the person who invited me told me "Just come any time.  You don't need an appointment," I was told he was in a meeting and not given the promised tour.  The building the office was situated in was crawling with creepy, corporate security guards.  The entire experience made me feel unclean.

Given the fact that Ubuntu is supposed to be something for everyone, something where all people derive their identities from their relationships to one another, and the fact that Canonical is not Microsoft, what is Canonical doing to remain people friendly in meatspace?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I attempted to visit a local Canonical office last year and was given quite a cold reception .
Even though the person who invited me told me " Just come any time .
You do n't need an appointment , " I was told he was in a meeting and not given the promised tour .
The building the office was situated in was crawling with creepy , corporate security guards .
The entire experience made me feel unclean .
Given the fact that Ubuntu is supposed to be something for everyone , something where all people derive their identities from their relationships to one another , and the fact that Canonical is not Microsoft , what is Canonical doing to remain people friendly in meatspace ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I attempted to visit a local Canonical office last year and was given quite a cold reception.
Even though the person who invited me told me "Just come any time.
You don't need an appointment," I was told he was in a meeting and not given the promised tour.
The building the office was situated in was crawling with creepy, corporate security guards.
The entire experience made me feel unclean.
Given the fact that Ubuntu is supposed to be something for everyone, something where all people derive their identities from their relationships to one another, and the fact that Canonical is not Microsoft, what is Canonical doing to remain people friendly in meatspace?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31167176</id>
	<title>Re:Is there a time to fork?</title>
	<author>bmcage</author>
	<datestamp>1265025480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Even having personally gotten some graphic designers to try the GIMP, I have yet to know any professional designers who find it adequate. I'd like to use Linux, but don't find I can come close replicating an equivalent workflow to what I have available using tools like Microsoft Office, Adobe Creative Suite, and Sound Forge. (those are the applications I'm personally stuck with, though I'm sure other people have other applications on their personal lists.)
</i>
<p>
If you really give some money from time to time, donate for the developer that will work full time on krita, see <a href="http://krita.org/" title="krita.org">http://krita.org/</a> [krita.org] </p><p>
I think Koffice needs quite a way before being on par of MS Office. Personally, I don't use windows since 2003, but then, I'm mainly a programmer, and the apps for other things are more than sufficient for my needs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even having personally gotten some graphic designers to try the GIMP , I have yet to know any professional designers who find it adequate .
I 'd like to use Linux , but do n't find I can come close replicating an equivalent workflow to what I have available using tools like Microsoft Office , Adobe Creative Suite , and Sound Forge .
( those are the applications I 'm personally stuck with , though I 'm sure other people have other applications on their personal lists .
) If you really give some money from time to time , donate for the developer that will work full time on krita , see http : //krita.org/ [ krita.org ] I think Koffice needs quite a way before being on par of MS Office .
Personally , I do n't use windows since 2003 , but then , I 'm mainly a programmer , and the apps for other things are more than sufficient for my needs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even having personally gotten some graphic designers to try the GIMP, I have yet to know any professional designers who find it adequate.
I'd like to use Linux, but don't find I can come close replicating an equivalent workflow to what I have available using tools like Microsoft Office, Adobe Creative Suite, and Sound Forge.
(those are the applications I'm personally stuck with, though I'm sure other people have other applications on their personal lists.
)


If you really give some money from time to time, donate for the developer that will work full time on krita, see http://krita.org/ [krita.org] 
I think Koffice needs quite a way before being on par of MS Office.
Personally, I don't use windows since 2003, but then, I'm mainly a programmer, and the apps for other things are more than sufficient for my needs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160712</id>
	<title>Re:How come I can't install RealPlayer on Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266317160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it's also off-topic</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's also off-topic</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's also off-topic</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31162320</id>
	<title>Arsenal</title>
	<author>bugg\_tb</author>
	<datestamp>1266325020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>He supports Arsenal.... so he can do as he pleases<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>He supports Arsenal.... so he can do as he pleases : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He supports Arsenal.... so he can do as he pleases :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160870</id>
	<title>Proprietary products</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266317820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You often praise proprietary, closed-source products on your blog (especially products from Apple and IBM). What is your stance on mixing proprietary and open products?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You often praise proprietary , closed-source products on your blog ( especially products from Apple and IBM ) .
What is your stance on mixing proprietary and open products ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You often praise proprietary, closed-source products on your blog (especially products from Apple and IBM).
What is your stance on mixing proprietary and open products?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31162456</id>
	<title>Re:simple one here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266325560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's not safe to program anything using mono due to the obvious legal risks, for example.</p></div></blockquote><p>According to the little lawyer inside you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not safe to program anything using mono due to the obvious legal risks , for example.According to the little lawyer inside you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not safe to program anything using mono due to the obvious legal risks, for example.According to the little lawyer inside you.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160792</id>
	<title>Quality Control</title>
	<author>davidm2005</author>
	<datestamp>1266317460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have been using Ubuntu as a software developer for the past several years.  I have been extremely disappointed with the most recent release of Ubuntu, 9.10, as it has been extremely buggy and seems like a step backwards to me.  The conclusion of this review <a href="http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ubuntu-karmic-koala,2484-13.html" title="tomshardware.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ubuntu-karmic-koala,2484-13.html</a> [tomshardware.com] also expresses a lot of my thoughts about Ubuntu 9.10.  I had so many problems in using 9.10, that did NOT exist in 9.04, that I switched one of the two computers I use at work to Windows 7, for stability (yes, these are crazy days).  Do you have any plans to increase quality control in Ubuntu, even if it comes at the cost of delaying the every six month release schedule?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been using Ubuntu as a software developer for the past several years .
I have been extremely disappointed with the most recent release of Ubuntu , 9.10 , as it has been extremely buggy and seems like a step backwards to me .
The conclusion of this review http : //www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ubuntu-karmic-koala,2484-13.html [ tomshardware.com ] also expresses a lot of my thoughts about Ubuntu 9.10 .
I had so many problems in using 9.10 , that did NOT exist in 9.04 , that I switched one of the two computers I use at work to Windows 7 , for stability ( yes , these are crazy days ) .
Do you have any plans to increase quality control in Ubuntu , even if it comes at the cost of delaying the every six month release schedule ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been using Ubuntu as a software developer for the past several years.
I have been extremely disappointed with the most recent release of Ubuntu, 9.10, as it has been extremely buggy and seems like a step backwards to me.
The conclusion of this review http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ubuntu-karmic-koala,2484-13.html [tomshardware.com] also expresses a lot of my thoughts about Ubuntu 9.10.
I had so many problems in using 9.10, that did NOT exist in 9.04, that I switched one of the two computers I use at work to Windows 7, for stability (yes, these are crazy days).
Do you have any plans to increase quality control in Ubuntu, even if it comes at the cost of delaying the every six month release schedule?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160838</id>
	<title>Migration</title>
	<author>Enderandrew</author>
	<datestamp>1266317640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the 21st century, why is it that we still don't have a simple, user-friendly tool to help both home and enterprise users to migrate their existing documents and settings while performing a Linux install?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the 21st century , why is it that we still do n't have a simple , user-friendly tool to help both home and enterprise users to migrate their existing documents and settings while performing a Linux install ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the 21st century, why is it that we still don't have a simple, user-friendly tool to help both home and enterprise users to migrate their existing documents and settings while performing a Linux install?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160666</id>
	<title>Enterprise Versus Desktop Emphasis</title>
	<author>eldavojohn</author>
	<datestamp>1266316920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>You used to write <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505\_3-10260478-16.html" title="cnet.com">a lot about desktop Linux distributions</a> [cnet.com] but now that you're COO of Canonical, the revenue comes most from enterprise support.  Do you plan on trying to change that or maintain any value in pleasing the at home Ubuntu user?  Your blog post talks about your kids achieving basic tasks with Ubuntu, will you still keep them in mind despite the fact your new employer doesn't see a dime from them?  Any plans to make it more user friendly or <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8300-13505\_3-16-2.html?keyword=Ubuntu&amp;tag=mncol" title="cnet.com">make it more mainstream and less server room</a> [cnet.com]?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You used to write a lot about desktop Linux distributions [ cnet.com ] but now that you 're COO of Canonical , the revenue comes most from enterprise support .
Do you plan on trying to change that or maintain any value in pleasing the at home Ubuntu user ?
Your blog post talks about your kids achieving basic tasks with Ubuntu , will you still keep them in mind despite the fact your new employer does n't see a dime from them ?
Any plans to make it more user friendly or make it more mainstream and less server room [ cnet.com ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You used to write a lot about desktop Linux distributions [cnet.com] but now that you're COO of Canonical, the revenue comes most from enterprise support.
Do you plan on trying to change that or maintain any value in pleasing the at home Ubuntu user?
Your blog post talks about your kids achieving basic tasks with Ubuntu, will you still keep them in mind despite the fact your new employer doesn't see a dime from them?
Any plans to make it more user friendly or make it more mainstream and less server room [cnet.com]?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161322</id>
	<title>Freedom, second?</title>
	<author>TheModelEskimo</author>
	<datestamp>1266319800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Matt, you were intensely criticized by members of the Free Software community for your critical stance facing "vague concepts" like software freedom and "no vendor lock-in." Reading your blog, it seems to me like you are still a fan of focusing on "high quality software at a compelling price" rather than these other concepts. How will this position affect your work with Canonical and more specifically, its relationship with freedom-first software advocates?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Matt , you were intensely criticized by members of the Free Software community for your critical stance facing " vague concepts " like software freedom and " no vendor lock-in .
" Reading your blog , it seems to me like you are still a fan of focusing on " high quality software at a compelling price " rather than these other concepts .
How will this position affect your work with Canonical and more specifically , its relationship with freedom-first software advocates ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Matt, you were intensely criticized by members of the Free Software community for your critical stance facing "vague concepts" like software freedom and "no vendor lock-in.
" Reading your blog, it seems to me like you are still a fan of focusing on "high quality software at a compelling price" rather than these other concepts.
How will this position affect your work with Canonical and more specifically, its relationship with freedom-first software advocates?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161282</id>
	<title>Re:What about WINE and Mono?</title>
	<author>rec9140</author>
	<datestamp>1266319620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NO! These need to be REMOVED from the distro.</p><p>mono is tainted from the start, and is nothing but a future huge legal liability.</p><p>wine is also just asking for trouble in providing possible hooks for all kinds of malware, it too needs to go.</p><p>We do not need anything but native apps on Linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NO !
These need to be REMOVED from the distro.mono is tainted from the start , and is nothing but a future huge legal liability.wine is also just asking for trouble in providing possible hooks for all kinds of malware , it too needs to go.We do not need anything but native apps on Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NO!
These need to be REMOVED from the distro.mono is tainted from the start, and is nothing but a future huge legal liability.wine is also just asking for trouble in providing possible hooks for all kinds of malware, it too needs to go.We do not need anything but native apps on Linux.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31163180</id>
	<title>Re:Adoption Stories and Influences</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1266330000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Every so often I see an adoption story about so and so taking up some open source solution and sometimes I think "Wow, French government? Now it's really going to take off. This is it. It's time." And then I wait. And wait.</i> </p><p>Linux arrived late to the party.</p><p>The <a href="http://www.vintage-computer.com/ibm\_pc.shtml" title="vintage-computer.com">IBM Personal Computer</a> [vintage-computer.com] hit the market 29 years ago.</p><p>Commander Keen and Word For Windows 20 years ago.</p><p>The "window of opportunity" for the alternative OS was closing no later than Win 3.1.</p><p>If you want a consumer oriented OS with solid *NIX roots, you have OSX.</p><p>If you want unlimited access to both FOSS and commercial/proprietary/closed-source apps, you have Windows.</p><p>Apple sells an upscale urban life-style. Microsoft, solid, middle-class values.</p><p>While the geek trumpets Linux's ideological purity and political correctness. But at what cost?</p><p>Canonical has licensed H.264. <a href="http://www.mpegla.mobi/main/programs/M4V/Pages/Licensees.aspx" title="mpegla.mobi">MPEG-4 Visual Licensees</a> [mpegla.mobi] It is free to do what Mozilla claims it can't. In some corners of Slashdot space, such a concession to reality would be considered treasonous.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Every so often I see an adoption story about so and so taking up some open source solution and sometimes I think " Wow , French government ?
Now it 's really going to take off .
This is it .
It 's time .
" And then I wait .
And wait .
Linux arrived late to the party.The IBM Personal Computer [ vintage-computer.com ] hit the market 29 years ago.Commander Keen and Word For Windows 20 years ago.The " window of opportunity " for the alternative OS was closing no later than Win 3.1.If you want a consumer oriented OS with solid * NIX roots , you have OSX.If you want unlimited access to both FOSS and commercial/proprietary/closed-source apps , you have Windows.Apple sells an upscale urban life-style .
Microsoft , solid , middle-class values.While the geek trumpets Linux 's ideological purity and political correctness .
But at what cost ? Canonical has licensed H.264 .
MPEG-4 Visual Licensees [ mpegla.mobi ] It is free to do what Mozilla claims it ca n't .
In some corners of Slashdot space , such a concession to reality would be considered treasonous .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every so often I see an adoption story about so and so taking up some open source solution and sometimes I think "Wow, French government?
Now it's really going to take off.
This is it.
It's time.
" And then I wait.
And wait.
Linux arrived late to the party.The IBM Personal Computer [vintage-computer.com] hit the market 29 years ago.Commander Keen and Word For Windows 20 years ago.The "window of opportunity" for the alternative OS was closing no later than Win 3.1.If you want a consumer oriented OS with solid *NIX roots, you have OSX.If you want unlimited access to both FOSS and commercial/proprietary/closed-source apps, you have Windows.Apple sells an upscale urban life-style.
Microsoft, solid, middle-class values.While the geek trumpets Linux's ideological purity and political correctness.
But at what cost?Canonical has licensed H.264.
MPEG-4 Visual Licensees [mpegla.mobi] It is free to do what Mozilla claims it can't.
In some corners of Slashdot space, such a concession to reality would be considered treasonous.
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160628</id>
	<title>Since you are a Linux user</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266316740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you ever bathe?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you ever bathe ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you ever bathe?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160464</id>
	<title>Juuuust switched to Zimbra</title>
	<author>Dunkirk</author>
	<datestamp>1266315900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I and my employer have been long-time Gentoo fans. We've recently switched almost everything over to Ubuntu. Also, I've just installed Zimbra at home. Because it's looking good, I am also in the process of installing it at work. I am already convinced that Ubuntu is in good hands, and Matt's appointment only strengthens this impression. What I'm concerned about is what's going to happen to Zimbra under VMware. I'm working on my management about buying the full-featured version for our Blackberry-using salesman, but please tell me that the current free version will continue to be loved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I and my employer have been long-time Gentoo fans .
We 've recently switched almost everything over to Ubuntu .
Also , I 've just installed Zimbra at home .
Because it 's looking good , I am also in the process of installing it at work .
I am already convinced that Ubuntu is in good hands , and Matt 's appointment only strengthens this impression .
What I 'm concerned about is what 's going to happen to Zimbra under VMware .
I 'm working on my management about buying the full-featured version for our Blackberry-using salesman , but please tell me that the current free version will continue to be loved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I and my employer have been long-time Gentoo fans.
We've recently switched almost everything over to Ubuntu.
Also, I've just installed Zimbra at home.
Because it's looking good, I am also in the process of installing it at work.
I am already convinced that Ubuntu is in good hands, and Matt's appointment only strengthens this impression.
What I'm concerned about is what's going to happen to Zimbra under VMware.
I'm working on my management about buying the full-featured version for our Blackberry-using salesman, but please tell me that the current free version will continue to be loved.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31162516</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu and KDE</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266325920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes please. Qt is a much better toolkit than GTK, and KDE has made strides until its 4.0 release, to the point that it's fairly easy to see that it will turn into something far superior to Gnome quickly.</p><p>Canonical, however, focuses on Ubuntu. Look at Ubuntu One, for example; yes you can install it on Kubuntu, but you get an ugly GTK app in your system tray (which is exactly that the Kubuntu team doesn't want). Well, seems like Ubuntu One will be ported to Windows before being ported to KDE: http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2010/01/22/pycon-sprint-to-get-ubuntu-one-on-windows</p><p>No Xsplash, no Ubuntu One, incomplete Ayatana notifications implementation, way more unstable/untested packages, no Software Center, no Samba configuration (need to edit the samba config file by hand), etc. Looking at Kubuntu's "Feature Parity" wiki page makes me weep: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UbuntuFeatureParity</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes please .
Qt is a much better toolkit than GTK , and KDE has made strides until its 4.0 release , to the point that it 's fairly easy to see that it will turn into something far superior to Gnome quickly.Canonical , however , focuses on Ubuntu .
Look at Ubuntu One , for example ; yes you can install it on Kubuntu , but you get an ugly GTK app in your system tray ( which is exactly that the Kubuntu team does n't want ) .
Well , seems like Ubuntu One will be ported to Windows before being ported to KDE : http : //www.kryogenix.org/days/2010/01/22/pycon-sprint-to-get-ubuntu-one-on-windowsNo Xsplash , no Ubuntu One , incomplete Ayatana notifications implementation , way more unstable/untested packages , no Software Center , no Samba configuration ( need to edit the samba config file by hand ) , etc .
Looking at Kubuntu 's " Feature Parity " wiki page makes me weep : https : //wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UbuntuFeatureParity</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes please.
Qt is a much better toolkit than GTK, and KDE has made strides until its 4.0 release, to the point that it's fairly easy to see that it will turn into something far superior to Gnome quickly.Canonical, however, focuses on Ubuntu.
Look at Ubuntu One, for example; yes you can install it on Kubuntu, but you get an ugly GTK app in your system tray (which is exactly that the Kubuntu team doesn't want).
Well, seems like Ubuntu One will be ported to Windows before being ported to KDE: http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2010/01/22/pycon-sprint-to-get-ubuntu-one-on-windowsNo Xsplash, no Ubuntu One, incomplete Ayatana notifications implementation, way more unstable/untested packages, no Software Center, no Samba configuration (need to edit the samba config file by hand), etc.
Looking at Kubuntu's "Feature Parity" wiki page makes me weep: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UbuntuFeatureParity</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31165806</id>
	<title>Re:Quality Control</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266348720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How odd...I recently installed Karmic on my Aspire one after the resident XP install got toasted by something I picked up visiting myspace. The only trouble I've found so far is the webcam drivers have trouble w/ full motion video (takes stills just fine, though).</p><p>The audio works fine for me, wireless connection...no problem, heck, even got the DVD peripheral to play movies without much hassle. Still haven't tested the printer, yet...guess that's next. Most of the Windows dependent stuff I used in XP either has a Linux port already, or seems to work reasonably well under Wine. There IS an issue with an MMO under Wine, that is not present in a Windows install, do wish the developers could get that ironed out, but thankful for the Windows emulator in any case.</p><p>Overall, a very nice install experience for me. Hard to believe how far Linux has come in the last few years. It's got a long ways yet to go, perhaps, but definitely making positive progress.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How odd...I recently installed Karmic on my Aspire one after the resident XP install got toasted by something I picked up visiting myspace .
The only trouble I 've found so far is the webcam drivers have trouble w/ full motion video ( takes stills just fine , though ) .The audio works fine for me , wireless connection...no problem , heck , even got the DVD peripheral to play movies without much hassle .
Still have n't tested the printer , yet...guess that 's next .
Most of the Windows dependent stuff I used in XP either has a Linux port already , or seems to work reasonably well under Wine .
There IS an issue with an MMO under Wine , that is not present in a Windows install , do wish the developers could get that ironed out , but thankful for the Windows emulator in any case.Overall , a very nice install experience for me .
Hard to believe how far Linux has come in the last few years .
It 's got a long ways yet to go , perhaps , but definitely making positive progress .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How odd...I recently installed Karmic on my Aspire one after the resident XP install got toasted by something I picked up visiting myspace.
The only trouble I've found so far is the webcam drivers have trouble w/ full motion video (takes stills just fine, though).The audio works fine for me, wireless connection...no problem, heck, even got the DVD peripheral to play movies without much hassle.
Still haven't tested the printer, yet...guess that's next.
Most of the Windows dependent stuff I used in XP either has a Linux port already, or seems to work reasonably well under Wine.
There IS an issue with an MMO under Wine, that is not present in a Windows install, do wish the developers could get that ironed out, but thankful for the Windows emulator in any case.Overall, a very nice install experience for me.
Hard to believe how far Linux has come in the last few years.
It's got a long ways yet to go, perhaps, but definitely making positive progress.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161570</id>
	<title>Re:Mono</title>
	<author>aztracker1</author>
	<datestamp>1266321000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31170702</id>
	<title>Tablet Remix</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265045160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Has Ubuntu given any thought to creating a tablet remix, along the lines of the netbook remix but for tablet-based portables?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Has Ubuntu given any thought to creating a tablet remix , along the lines of the netbook remix but for tablet-based portables ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has Ubuntu given any thought to creating a tablet remix, along the lines of the netbook remix but for tablet-based portables?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31162428</id>
	<title>Ubuntu and high reliability data storage</title>
	<author>gregben</author>
	<datestamp>1266325500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As the years pass, one thing becomes more and more obvious:</p><p>It's all about the data, and keeping it intact.<br>For me (running Ubuntu/Debian on around 20 machines)<br>the most frustrating thing right now is the lack of Sun's<br>(now Oracle's) ZFS or equivalent filesystem. Do you have<br>plans to address this by obtaining the right to incorporate<br>ZFS into Ubuntu at the kernel level, or to fund the development<br>of an alternative like BTRFS?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As the years pass , one thing becomes more and more obvious : It 's all about the data , and keeping it intact.For me ( running Ubuntu/Debian on around 20 machines ) the most frustrating thing right now is the lack of Sun 's ( now Oracle 's ) ZFS or equivalent filesystem .
Do you haveplans to address this by obtaining the right to incorporateZFS into Ubuntu at the kernel level , or to fund the developmentof an alternative like BTRFS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As the years pass, one thing becomes more and more obvious:It's all about the data, and keeping it intact.For me (running Ubuntu/Debian on around 20 machines)the most frustrating thing right now is the lack of Sun's(now Oracle's) ZFS or equivalent filesystem.
Do you haveplans to address this by obtaining the right to incorporateZFS into Ubuntu at the kernel level, or to fund the developmentof an alternative like BTRFS?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31163472</id>
	<title>Re:Is there a time to fork?</title>
	<author>moonbender</author>
	<datestamp>1266332280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your post boils down to the usual complaint that application XYZ isn't available on Linux. It's true, many aren't. For many of them, there are alternatives that are at least good enough for most people. For many others, particularly custom and specialised software there are no alternatives apart from running them in Wine.</p><p>There isn't any easy way to change this, and there is no way at all for Canonical to change this; it's not even their job to try, IMO. It's also not that big of a deal. Your graphics designer friends are probably the very last people who'd be willing to drop Photoshop in favor of the GIMP, for a variety of reasons, simple UI entrenchment among them. Most people aren't graphic designers, and the GIMP's feature set far exceeds what most people need. And while the interface might need some work -- and <a href="http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2010/02/hands-on-new-single-window-mode-makes-gimp-less-gimpy.ars" title="arstechnica.com">is, in fact, being worked on</a> [arstechnica.com] -- you're deluding yourself if you think Photoshop's interface was that much more intuitive. To a novice user, both applications are cryptic.</p><p>As for you, well, you only allude to your workflow. There are applications that cover MS Office, most of what Adobe's CS does; I don't know about Sound Forge. If you think they don't cover everything you do with them, maybe Linux isn't for you as of yet. I'm not sure what Canonical can do about that, short of financing development of a whole bunch of professional applications, which really isn't within their abilities.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your post boils down to the usual complaint that application XYZ is n't available on Linux .
It 's true , many are n't .
For many of them , there are alternatives that are at least good enough for most people .
For many others , particularly custom and specialised software there are no alternatives apart from running them in Wine.There is n't any easy way to change this , and there is no way at all for Canonical to change this ; it 's not even their job to try , IMO .
It 's also not that big of a deal .
Your graphics designer friends are probably the very last people who 'd be willing to drop Photoshop in favor of the GIMP , for a variety of reasons , simple UI entrenchment among them .
Most people are n't graphic designers , and the GIMP 's feature set far exceeds what most people need .
And while the interface might need some work -- and is , in fact , being worked on [ arstechnica.com ] -- you 're deluding yourself if you think Photoshop 's interface was that much more intuitive .
To a novice user , both applications are cryptic.As for you , well , you only allude to your workflow .
There are applications that cover MS Office , most of what Adobe 's CS does ; I do n't know about Sound Forge .
If you think they do n't cover everything you do with them , maybe Linux is n't for you as of yet .
I 'm not sure what Canonical can do about that , short of financing development of a whole bunch of professional applications , which really is n't within their abilities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your post boils down to the usual complaint that application XYZ isn't available on Linux.
It's true, many aren't.
For many of them, there are alternatives that are at least good enough for most people.
For many others, particularly custom and specialised software there are no alternatives apart from running them in Wine.There isn't any easy way to change this, and there is no way at all for Canonical to change this; it's not even their job to try, IMO.
It's also not that big of a deal.
Your graphics designer friends are probably the very last people who'd be willing to drop Photoshop in favor of the GIMP, for a variety of reasons, simple UI entrenchment among them.
Most people aren't graphic designers, and the GIMP's feature set far exceeds what most people need.
And while the interface might need some work -- and is, in fact, being worked on [arstechnica.com] -- you're deluding yourself if you think Photoshop's interface was that much more intuitive.
To a novice user, both applications are cryptic.As for you, well, you only allude to your workflow.
There are applications that cover MS Office, most of what Adobe's CS does; I don't know about Sound Forge.
If you think they don't cover everything you do with them, maybe Linux isn't for you as of yet.
I'm not sure what Canonical can do about that, short of financing development of a whole bunch of professional applications, which really isn't within their abilities.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31203966</id>
	<title>Outlook not so good</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1266573240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"outlook does not look so good"</p></div><p>But does evolution look any better?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" outlook does not look so good " But does evolution look any better ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"outlook does not look so good"But does evolution look any better?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31162440</id>
	<title>Re:Adoption Stories and Influences</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1266325560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A lot of the time, they're hyped well beyond reality. Like how the Norwegian government was to use ODF. Yes, all public forms will be available in HTML, PDF or ODF but the many thousands of MS Office licences used internally did not change. Microsoft marketing would sometimes be proud to learn from the OSS community.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of the time , they 're hyped well beyond reality .
Like how the Norwegian government was to use ODF .
Yes , all public forms will be available in HTML , PDF or ODF but the many thousands of MS Office licences used internally did not change .
Microsoft marketing would sometimes be proud to learn from the OSS community .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of the time, they're hyped well beyond reality.
Like how the Norwegian government was to use ODF.
Yes, all public forms will be available in HTML, PDF or ODF but the many thousands of MS Office licences used internally did not change.
Microsoft marketing would sometimes be proud to learn from the OSS community.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161074</id>
	<title>Money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266318780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You must be making a lot of money in your new position.  Can I borrow some, and when would you need me to pay it back?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You must be making a lot of money in your new position .
Can I borrow some , and when would you need me to pay it back ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You must be making a lot of money in your new position.
Can I borrow some, and when would you need me to pay it back?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31193412</id>
	<title>Android on Netbooks</title>
	<author>cybaz</author>
	<datestamp>1266498480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Manufacturers are looking at Android on netbooks, do you see that as a threat? Do you plan to do any integration with Android or do you feel that it will be limited to a smartphone OS</htmltext>
<tokenext>Manufacturers are looking at Android on netbooks , do you see that as a threat ?
Do you plan to do any integration with Android or do you feel that it will be limited to a smartphone OS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Manufacturers are looking at Android on netbooks, do you see that as a threat?
Do you plan to do any integration with Android or do you feel that it will be limited to a smartphone OS</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160790</id>
	<title>Ubuntu and KDE</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266317460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will Ubuntu continue to treat KDE as a second-class citizen?</p><p>I loathe Gnome personally but don't begrude people the freedom of choice. However, with Ubuntu becoming almost synonymous with Linux, do they have a responsibility to try and put out a quality KDE desktop along with a quality Gnome desktop?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will Ubuntu continue to treat KDE as a second-class citizen ? I loathe Gnome personally but do n't begrude people the freedom of choice .
However , with Ubuntu becoming almost synonymous with Linux , do they have a responsibility to try and put out a quality KDE desktop along with a quality Gnome desktop ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will Ubuntu continue to treat KDE as a second-class citizen?I loathe Gnome personally but don't begrude people the freedom of choice.
However, with Ubuntu becoming almost synonymous with Linux, do they have a responsibility to try and put out a quality KDE desktop along with a quality Gnome desktop?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161530</id>
	<title>Re:How come I can't install RealPlayer on Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266320820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>For one, I'd have to tell you to get a better ISP. Hell, that's not even Linux advice, that's common sense.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For one , I 'd have to tell you to get a better ISP .
Hell , that 's not even Linux advice , that 's common sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For one, I'd have to tell you to get a better ISP.
Hell, that's not even Linux advice, that's common sense.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161064</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu and KDE</title>
	<author>rattaroaz</author>
	<datestamp>1266318720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a KDE fan, and Kubuntu user, I think your comment is not quite fair.  I would mod you up if I had any points, because I like the concept, but not the way you ask.  The question implies Canonical doing something actively bad to KDE, and that may automatically put Matt on the defense.  So I would have preferred you stated it otherwise, such as "Does you have any plans or personal hopes to invest more into the KDE SC?"  Just my opinion, and I hope he addresses this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a KDE fan , and Kubuntu user , I think your comment is not quite fair .
I would mod you up if I had any points , because I like the concept , but not the way you ask .
The question implies Canonical doing something actively bad to KDE , and that may automatically put Matt on the defense .
So I would have preferred you stated it otherwise , such as " Does you have any plans or personal hopes to invest more into the KDE SC ?
" Just my opinion , and I hope he addresses this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a KDE fan, and Kubuntu user, I think your comment is not quite fair.
I would mod you up if I had any points, because I like the concept, but not the way you ask.
The question implies Canonical doing something actively bad to KDE, and that may automatically put Matt on the defense.
So I would have preferred you stated it otherwise, such as "Does you have any plans or personal hopes to invest more into the KDE SC?
"  Just my opinion, and I hope he addresses this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31166582</id>
	<title>FLOSS, proprietary and Upstream</title>
	<author>msclrhd</author>
	<datestamp>1265019120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would like to ask Matt what his intentions are for using and improving FLOSS tools and technologies in Ubuntu, as opposed to tools and technologies derived from proprietary platforms, and his plans for contributing changes/working with upstream projects (e.g. contributing/improving artwork like in the Wine project).</p><p>Some examples:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; *  RedHat help the nouveau project and are helping to get it to a decent working state so that it can act as a viable alternative to the nVidia binary drivers -- what are Ubuntu doing in this space to help people with binary-only driver support, specifically by helping the open source communities provide better support for this hardware?<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; *  IIUC, the Ubuntu art team are using Photoshop to do the artwork instead of free tools like Gimp and Inkscape -- does Ubuntu intend to make use of free tools and help out where necessary (e.g. in the push to improve the Gimp UI)?<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; *  The decisions around mono and the steady influx of more mono-based applications into Ubuntu instead of using applications build on the Linux/FLOSS stack for its default application set.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; *  What is the status of the various improvements of things like the "papercuts" initiatives to the upstream projects?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would like to ask Matt what his intentions are for using and improving FLOSS tools and technologies in Ubuntu , as opposed to tools and technologies derived from proprietary platforms , and his plans for contributing changes/working with upstream projects ( e.g .
contributing/improving artwork like in the Wine project ) .Some examples :     * RedHat help the nouveau project and are helping to get it to a decent working state so that it can act as a viable alternative to the nVidia binary drivers -- what are Ubuntu doing in this space to help people with binary-only driver support , specifically by helping the open source communities provide better support for this hardware ?
    * IIUC , the Ubuntu art team are using Photoshop to do the artwork instead of free tools like Gimp and Inkscape -- does Ubuntu intend to make use of free tools and help out where necessary ( e.g .
in the push to improve the Gimp UI ) ?
    * The decisions around mono and the steady influx of more mono-based applications into Ubuntu instead of using applications build on the Linux/FLOSS stack for its default application set .
    * What is the status of the various improvements of things like the " papercuts " initiatives to the upstream projects ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would like to ask Matt what his intentions are for using and improving FLOSS tools and technologies in Ubuntu, as opposed to tools and technologies derived from proprietary platforms, and his plans for contributing changes/working with upstream projects (e.g.
contributing/improving artwork like in the Wine project).Some examples:
    *  RedHat help the nouveau project and are helping to get it to a decent working state so that it can act as a viable alternative to the nVidia binary drivers -- what are Ubuntu doing in this space to help people with binary-only driver support, specifically by helping the open source communities provide better support for this hardware?
    *  IIUC, the Ubuntu art team are using Photoshop to do the artwork instead of free tools like Gimp and Inkscape -- does Ubuntu intend to make use of free tools and help out where necessary (e.g.
in the push to improve the Gimp UI)?
    *  The decisions around mono and the steady influx of more mono-based applications into Ubuntu instead of using applications build on the Linux/FLOSS stack for its default application set.
    *  What is the status of the various improvements of things like the "papercuts" initiatives to the upstream projects?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161456</id>
	<title>Re:Quality Control or lack of</title>
	<author>hilldog</author>
	<datestamp>1266320400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Indeed! I have never had random black screen crashes and buggy wifi connections with any version of Linux as I have had with karmic. It has taken a month of tweaks, upgrades, back porting and such to get a 'nearly' stable machine. Karmic is Ubuntu's Vista.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed !
I have never had random black screen crashes and buggy wifi connections with any version of Linux as I have had with karmic .
It has taken a month of tweaks , upgrades , back porting and such to get a 'nearly ' stable machine .
Karmic is Ubuntu 's Vista .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed!
I have never had random black screen crashes and buggy wifi connections with any version of Linux as I have had with karmic.
It has taken a month of tweaks, upgrades, back porting and such to get a 'nearly' stable machine.
Karmic is Ubuntu's Vista.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160908</id>
	<title>Distro Fragmentation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266318000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even as Ubuntu soars in popularity, we see forks of Ubuntu (such as Mint) pop up. Do you feel that distro fragmentation detracts from acceptance and adoption?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even as Ubuntu soars in popularity , we see forks of Ubuntu ( such as Mint ) pop up .
Do you feel that distro fragmentation detracts from acceptance and adoption ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even as Ubuntu soars in popularity, we see forks of Ubuntu (such as Mint) pop up.
Do you feel that distro fragmentation detracts from acceptance and adoption?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31162010</id>
	<title>Re:Your Version of Their Vision</title>
	<author>gparent</author>
	<datestamp>1266323400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Answer: They're going to take a lot of pot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Answer : They 're going to take a lot of pot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Answer: They're going to take a lot of pot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31336296</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the ubuntu colour scheme so fugly!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267526940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>In summary, you only get one chance to make a good first impression, and that color scheme works great - for your competitors.</i></p><p>Yes, won't you base all your software decisions on color?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In summary , you only get one chance to make a good first impression , and that color scheme works great - for your competitors.Yes , wo n't you base all your software decisions on color ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In summary, you only get one chance to make a good first impression, and that color scheme works great - for your competitors.Yes, won't you base all your software decisions on color?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31163992</id>
	<title>Will PulseAudio be FORCED on us in 10.4 like 9.10?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266336300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using Ubuntu since 5.10. Sound used to work well for me, including reasonably low latency and mixing. In recent years, I've had to remove PulseAudio from every install I do, because it increases audio latency, uses more resources on my limited hardware, and sometimes breaks program functionality altogether (like Orca).</p><p>In 9.10, if you attempt to remove PulseAudio, your volume control breaks. If you try to change the sound system in preferences/sound, it refuses to open, too. This is really unacceptable.</p><p>I can tell you that the average user does not care about routing audio over the network, or combining 2 stereo sound cards to make a surround system. We just want the audio to come out of the speakers as fast as possible while using the lowest amount of resources possible. That is all.</p><p>Pulseaudio may help some folks, and that's fine. I just don't want this thing shoved down my throat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using Ubuntu since 5.10 .
Sound used to work well for me , including reasonably low latency and mixing .
In recent years , I 've had to remove PulseAudio from every install I do , because it increases audio latency , uses more resources on my limited hardware , and sometimes breaks program functionality altogether ( like Orca ) .In 9.10 , if you attempt to remove PulseAudio , your volume control breaks .
If you try to change the sound system in preferences/sound , it refuses to open , too .
This is really unacceptable.I can tell you that the average user does not care about routing audio over the network , or combining 2 stereo sound cards to make a surround system .
We just want the audio to come out of the speakers as fast as possible while using the lowest amount of resources possible .
That is all.Pulseaudio may help some folks , and that 's fine .
I just do n't want this thing shoved down my throat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using Ubuntu since 5.10.
Sound used to work well for me, including reasonably low latency and mixing.
In recent years, I've had to remove PulseAudio from every install I do, because it increases audio latency, uses more resources on my limited hardware, and sometimes breaks program functionality altogether (like Orca).In 9.10, if you attempt to remove PulseAudio, your volume control breaks.
If you try to change the sound system in preferences/sound, it refuses to open, too.
This is really unacceptable.I can tell you that the average user does not care about routing audio over the network, or combining 2 stereo sound cards to make a surround system.
We just want the audio to come out of the speakers as fast as possible while using the lowest amount of resources possible.
That is all.Pulseaudio may help some folks, and that's fine.
I just don't want this thing shoved down my throat.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31164096</id>
	<title>Re:Is there a time to fork?</title>
	<author>socsoc</author>
	<datestamp>1266336900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>GIMP and Scribus really cannot compare to CS4, or CS for that matter.  I'd love to move my print and web based shop over, but even the FOSS guys only give it trials to humor me. It's so far from production print work. Hell, in my personal photography use with a point and shoot digital camera, I still prefer Photoshop over GIMP.</htmltext>
<tokenext>GIMP and Scribus really can not compare to CS4 , or CS for that matter .
I 'd love to move my print and web based shop over , but even the FOSS guys only give it trials to humor me .
It 's so far from production print work .
Hell , in my personal photography use with a point and shoot digital camera , I still prefer Photoshop over GIMP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GIMP and Scribus really cannot compare to CS4, or CS for that matter.
I'd love to move my print and web based shop over, but even the FOSS guys only give it trials to humor me.
It's so far from production print work.
Hell, in my personal photography use with a point and shoot digital camera, I still prefer Photoshop over GIMP.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161108</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31163196</id>
	<title>Why is the ubuntu colour scheme so fugly!</title>
	<author>tomhudson</author>
	<datestamp>1266330060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Seriously, what were you guys thinking? The Great Pumpkin only comes once a year.
</p><p>
Everyone made fun of XP and the Fisher-Price theme<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but Ubuntu is worse. It looks like it was thrown together by a bunch of Hallowe'enies.
</p><p>
"Oh, but it's earth colors, like autumn!" Sure, pick the time of year when everything <b>DIES!</b> That sends a great subliminal "use-me-be-happy" message.
</p><p>
Fall colors - remind people that Old Man Winter is right around the corner, it's only going to get worse for the rest of the year, slush and ice and heating bills and salt stains on your boots and coat and clothes and the dogs dragging dirt in from the freshly sanded sidewalks all over the comforter and ice storms and dead cats frozen in snowbanks flying through the air as the municipal snowblower sucks them up and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... you get the picture.

</p><p>
You want companies to take you seriously, you don't have your reps wear a bow tie so they don't look like Bozo the Clown, and you don't make your prime product offering look like the artwork from a pumpkin pie box.

</p><p>
If you <b>have</b> to do a pie-themed color scheme, order a pizza pie and use that for inspiration.  Everyone likes pizza. Or do apple pie - American Pie! Even the Band Campers can relate to that! Or cherry pie. There are so many nerds in basements who <b>dream</b> of cherry<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...

</p><p>
It's not just ugly - it's fugly-ugly. Even in Soviet Russia.
</p><p>
It is ugly on the screen. It's so ugly it's obscene.
<br>
It is ugly every day.  It is ugly like old whey.
<br>
It is ugly on a boat. It is ugly with a goat.
<br>
It is ugly like brown turd. It is ugly as a nerd.
<br>
It is ugly, don't you see? It is ugly like green pee.
<br>
It is ugly, all the way. It is ugly, Matt Assay!
<br>
I will not use it on a boat.  I will not use it with a goat.
<br>
I will not use it at the fair. I will not use it in my hair.
<br>
I will leave it with the nerds. They like it colored like brown turds.
<br>
I will leave it, Matt Assay, It makes my eyeballs bleed all day.


</p><p>
In summary, you only get one chance to make a good first impression, and that color scheme works great - for your competitors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , what were you guys thinking ?
The Great Pumpkin only comes once a year .
Everyone made fun of XP and the Fisher-Price theme ... but Ubuntu is worse .
It looks like it was thrown together by a bunch of Hallowe'enies .
" Oh , but it 's earth colors , like autumn !
" Sure , pick the time of year when everything DIES !
That sends a great subliminal " use-me-be-happy " message .
Fall colors - remind people that Old Man Winter is right around the corner , it 's only going to get worse for the rest of the year , slush and ice and heating bills and salt stains on your boots and coat and clothes and the dogs dragging dirt in from the freshly sanded sidewalks all over the comforter and ice storms and dead cats frozen in snowbanks flying through the air as the municipal snowblower sucks them up and ... you get the picture .
You want companies to take you seriously , you do n't have your reps wear a bow tie so they do n't look like Bozo the Clown , and you do n't make your prime product offering look like the artwork from a pumpkin pie box .
If you have to do a pie-themed color scheme , order a pizza pie and use that for inspiration .
Everyone likes pizza .
Or do apple pie - American Pie !
Even the Band Campers can relate to that !
Or cherry pie .
There are so many nerds in basements who dream of cherry .. . It 's not just ugly - it 's fugly-ugly .
Even in Soviet Russia .
It is ugly on the screen .
It 's so ugly it 's obscene .
It is ugly every day .
It is ugly like old whey .
It is ugly on a boat .
It is ugly with a goat .
It is ugly like brown turd .
It is ugly as a nerd .
It is ugly , do n't you see ?
It is ugly like green pee .
It is ugly , all the way .
It is ugly , Matt Assay !
I will not use it on a boat .
I will not use it with a goat .
I will not use it at the fair .
I will not use it in my hair .
I will leave it with the nerds .
They like it colored like brown turds .
I will leave it , Matt Assay , It makes my eyeballs bleed all day .
In summary , you only get one chance to make a good first impression , and that color scheme works great - for your competitors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Seriously, what were you guys thinking?
The Great Pumpkin only comes once a year.
Everyone made fun of XP and the Fisher-Price theme ... but Ubuntu is worse.
It looks like it was thrown together by a bunch of Hallowe'enies.
"Oh, but it's earth colors, like autumn!
" Sure, pick the time of year when everything DIES!
That sends a great subliminal "use-me-be-happy" message.
Fall colors - remind people that Old Man Winter is right around the corner, it's only going to get worse for the rest of the year, slush and ice and heating bills and salt stains on your boots and coat and clothes and the dogs dragging dirt in from the freshly sanded sidewalks all over the comforter and ice storms and dead cats frozen in snowbanks flying through the air as the municipal snowblower sucks them up and ... you get the picture.
You want companies to take you seriously, you don't have your reps wear a bow tie so they don't look like Bozo the Clown, and you don't make your prime product offering look like the artwork from a pumpkin pie box.
If you have to do a pie-themed color scheme, order a pizza pie and use that for inspiration.
Everyone likes pizza.
Or do apple pie - American Pie!
Even the Band Campers can relate to that!
Or cherry pie.
There are so many nerds in basements who dream of cherry ...


It's not just ugly - it's fugly-ugly.
Even in Soviet Russia.
It is ugly on the screen.
It's so ugly it's obscene.
It is ugly every day.
It is ugly like old whey.
It is ugly on a boat.
It is ugly with a goat.
It is ugly like brown turd.
It is ugly as a nerd.
It is ugly, don't you see?
It is ugly like green pee.
It is ugly, all the way.
It is ugly, Matt Assay!
I will not use it on a boat.
I will not use it with a goat.
I will not use it at the fair.
I will not use it in my hair.
I will leave it with the nerds.
They like it colored like brown turds.
I will leave it, Matt Assay, It makes my eyeballs bleed all day.
In summary, you only get one chance to make a good first impression, and that color scheme works great - for your competitors.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161576</id>
	<title>Re:Since you are a Linux user</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266321060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Do you ever bathe?</p></div><p>Only with RMS.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you ever bathe ? Only with RMS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you ever bathe?Only with RMS.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160628</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31166912</id>
	<title>Re:What about WINE and Mono?</title>
	<author>KiloByte</author>
	<datestamp>1265022480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another question about Wine and Mono: since they do nearly the same thing, why is Ubuntu's stance on them so different?  Mark Shuttleworth explicitely said he doesn't want Wine in the default install -- and it isn't there, yet Mono is aggressively promoted.  Both of them implement some foreign API and emulate some of Windows-only facilities; both let you run a class of Windows<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.exe programs -- and none is well-integrated with the native system.  Both Wine and Mono require either a helper script or some binfmt-related hacks.</p><p>Wouldn't it better to save disk space/bandwidth by using native versions of programs currently shipped using Mono (Tomboy -&gt; gnote,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...), and drop Mono to Wine's status?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another question about Wine and Mono : since they do nearly the same thing , why is Ubuntu 's stance on them so different ?
Mark Shuttleworth explicitely said he does n't want Wine in the default install -- and it is n't there , yet Mono is aggressively promoted .
Both of them implement some foreign API and emulate some of Windows-only facilities ; both let you run a class of Windows .exe programs -- and none is well-integrated with the native system .
Both Wine and Mono require either a helper script or some binfmt-related hacks.Would n't it better to save disk space/bandwidth by using native versions of programs currently shipped using Mono ( Tomboy - &gt; gnote , ... ) , and drop Mono to Wine 's status ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another question about Wine and Mono: since they do nearly the same thing, why is Ubuntu's stance on them so different?
Mark Shuttleworth explicitely said he doesn't want Wine in the default install -- and it isn't there, yet Mono is aggressively promoted.
Both of them implement some foreign API and emulate some of Windows-only facilities; both let you run a class of Windows .exe programs -- and none is well-integrated with the native system.
Both Wine and Mono require either a helper script or some binfmt-related hacks.Wouldn't it better to save disk space/bandwidth by using native versions of programs currently shipped using Mono (Tomboy -&gt; gnote, ...), and drop Mono to Wine's status?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160620</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31162406</id>
	<title>What makes Ubuntu different or better..</title>
	<author>msimm</author>
	<datestamp>1266325320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What will make Ubuntu different or better then any other well maintained Linux distribution? How can Linux distribution truly compete by offering minor modifications of the same basic set of software?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What will make Ubuntu different or better then any other well maintained Linux distribution ?
How can Linux distribution truly compete by offering minor modifications of the same basic set of software ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What will make Ubuntu different or better then any other well maintained Linux distribution?
How can Linux distribution truly compete by offering minor modifications of the same basic set of software?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31162452</id>
	<title>Enterprise Goals for Ubuntu</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266325560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have heard much about Ubuntu's desktop goals toward social networking. Eucalyptus is excellent and will mature excellently. We havent heard any goals for the server product.</p><p>Linux total backup; imagine something that could be a backup system; backing up the entire server platform into a livecd or virtual disk format; while also being able to roll back to the image.</p><p>Active Directory competitor: Need more?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have heard much about Ubuntu 's desktop goals toward social networking .
Eucalyptus is excellent and will mature excellently .
We havent heard any goals for the server product.Linux total backup ; imagine something that could be a backup system ; backing up the entire server platform into a livecd or virtual disk format ; while also being able to roll back to the image.Active Directory competitor : Need more ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have heard much about Ubuntu's desktop goals toward social networking.
Eucalyptus is excellent and will mature excellently.
We havent heard any goals for the server product.Linux total backup; imagine something that could be a backup system; backing up the entire server platform into a livecd or virtual disk format; while also being able to roll back to the image.Active Directory competitor: Need more?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160820</id>
	<title>Revenue</title>
	<author>Enderandrew</author>
	<datestamp>1266317580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Shuttleworth is still funding Canonical. At some point however, this needs to turn into a protibable vendure to endure. How does Canonical create lasting revenue streams, and will those decisions come at the cost of usability and freedom in the distro, such as the recent decision to use Yahoo search (powered by Bing) as the default)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Shuttleworth is still funding Canonical .
At some point however , this needs to turn into a protibable vendure to endure .
How does Canonical create lasting revenue streams , and will those decisions come at the cost of usability and freedom in the distro , such as the recent decision to use Yahoo search ( powered by Bing ) as the default ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shuttleworth is still funding Canonical.
At some point however, this needs to turn into a protibable vendure to endure.
How does Canonical create lasting revenue streams, and will those decisions come at the cost of usability and freedom in the distro, such as the recent decision to use Yahoo search (powered by Bing) as the default)?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31166926</id>
	<title>Stability of the platform</title>
	<author>Elektroschock</author>
	<datestamp>1265022660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Linux users are used to a situation where a kernel or distribution or software module update kills their basic hardware support, like sound, graphics etc.</p><p>What role do you see for automated testing environments and hardware labs to ensure higher quality?</p><p>--</p><p>Why are Ubuntu's KDE packages so bad? Why aren't beta versions debug enabled by default?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux users are used to a situation where a kernel or distribution or software module update kills their basic hardware support , like sound , graphics etc.What role do you see for automated testing environments and hardware labs to ensure higher quality ? --Why are Ubuntu 's KDE packages so bad ?
Why are n't beta versions debug enabled by default ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux users are used to a situation where a kernel or distribution or software module update kills their basic hardware support, like sound, graphics etc.What role do you see for automated testing environments and hardware labs to ensure higher quality?--Why are Ubuntu's KDE packages so bad?
Why aren't beta versions debug enabled by default?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160834</id>
	<title>Smarthphones</title>
	<author>diegocg</author>
	<datestamp>1266317640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Smartphones have become another computing device. There is Android, and there is MeeGoo. Ubuntu has missed the oportunity of creating a phone version of Ubuntu like Apple did with iPhone OS....what is Canonical going to do in this area? Create a phone version of Ubuntu and hope that some vendor chooses it? Support Android? Or Meego?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Smartphones have become another computing device .
There is Android , and there is MeeGoo .
Ubuntu has missed the oportunity of creating a phone version of Ubuntu like Apple did with iPhone OS....what is Canonical going to do in this area ?
Create a phone version of Ubuntu and hope that some vendor chooses it ?
Support Android ?
Or Meego ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Smartphones have become another computing device.
There is Android, and there is MeeGoo.
Ubuntu has missed the oportunity of creating a phone version of Ubuntu like Apple did with iPhone OS....what is Canonical going to do in this area?
Create a phone version of Ubuntu and hope that some vendor chooses it?
Support Android?
Or Meego?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31164818</id>
	<title>Re:Adoption Stories and Influences</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266341700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just came here to see this turn into "eldavojohn asks Matt Asay 20 Really Long Questions about Ubuntu and Canonical" and am leaving satisfied.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just came here to see this turn into " eldavojohn asks Matt Asay 20 Really Long Questions about Ubuntu and Canonical " and am leaving satisfied .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just came here to see this turn into "eldavojohn asks Matt Asay 20 Really Long Questions about Ubuntu and Canonical" and am leaving satisfied.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160530</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161206</id>
	<title>Re:Two things</title>
	<author>Shikaku</author>
	<datestamp>1266319320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Will Ubuntu avoid unnecessarily fiddling with applications as part of the default install [OK Pidgin/Empathy is the only case I can think of]</p></div><p>Already solved: <a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD" title="ubuntu.com">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD</a> [ubuntu.com]</p><p>Minimal install CD: download and install only what you need.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Will Ubuntu avoid unnecessarily fiddling with applications as part of the default install [ OK Pidgin/Empathy is the only case I can think of ] Already solved : https : //help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [ ubuntu.com ] Minimal install CD : download and install only what you need .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will Ubuntu avoid unnecessarily fiddling with applications as part of the default install [OK Pidgin/Empathy is the only case I can think of]Already solved: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [ubuntu.com]Minimal install CD: download and install only what you need.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160714</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160624</id>
	<title>How come I can't install RealPlayer on Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266316680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How come NESticle and Stella (emulators) work flawlessly on Windoze but only play one-quarter of the roms on Ubuntu?</p><p>How come I can't connect to my Netscape dialup ISP?</p><p>Why can't I find a simple way to look-up my computer's RAM space, or how many tasks are running, or to kill a misbehaving process?</p><p>Why when I switch to 640x480 mode (gaming), why doesn't the desktop properties window fit (thereby leaving me stuck)?</p><p>Why, when I tried to upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04, was I told that I don't have permission to change the folders on my laptop?</p><p>Why can't I get Opera Browser installed?</p><p>Why. Is. Ubuntu Linux. So. Damn. Unfriendly?  Hell my ancient Amiga 500 or Quadra Macs are easier to use.</p><p>And no this is not a troll.<br>It's an opinion.<br>Learn the difference mod.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How come NESticle and Stella ( emulators ) work flawlessly on Windoze but only play one-quarter of the roms on Ubuntu ? How come I ca n't connect to my Netscape dialup ISP ? Why ca n't I find a simple way to look-up my computer 's RAM space , or how many tasks are running , or to kill a misbehaving process ? Why when I switch to 640x480 mode ( gaming ) , why does n't the desktop properties window fit ( thereby leaving me stuck ) ? Why , when I tried to upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 , was I told that I do n't have permission to change the folders on my laptop ? Why ca n't I get Opera Browser installed ? Why .
Is. Ubuntu Linux .
So. Damn .
Unfriendly ? Hell my ancient Amiga 500 or Quadra Macs are easier to use.And no this is not a troll.It 's an opinion.Learn the difference mod .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How come NESticle and Stella (emulators) work flawlessly on Windoze but only play one-quarter of the roms on Ubuntu?How come I can't connect to my Netscape dialup ISP?Why can't I find a simple way to look-up my computer's RAM space, or how many tasks are running, or to kill a misbehaving process?Why when I switch to 640x480 mode (gaming), why doesn't the desktop properties window fit (thereby leaving me stuck)?Why, when I tried to upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04, was I told that I don't have permission to change the folders on my laptop?Why can't I get Opera Browser installed?Why.
Is. Ubuntu Linux.
So. Damn.
Unfriendly?  Hell my ancient Amiga 500 or Quadra Macs are easier to use.And no this is not a troll.It's an opinion.Learn the difference mod.
:-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161146</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu and KDE</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266319080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good question. Especially seeing what 4.4 is bringing to the table and how we're still in waiting mode for Gnome 3.0.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good question .
Especially seeing what 4.4 is bringing to the table and how we 're still in waiting mode for Gnome 3.0 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good question.
Especially seeing what 4.4 is bringing to the table and how we're still in waiting mode for Gnome 3.0.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160790</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31334664</id>
	<title>Re:What about WINE and Mono?</title>
	<author>jedidiah</author>
	<datestamp>1267521060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The "java trap" (if it ever existed) never happened because the platform never<br>materialized as a viable means for running end user applications. There never<br>existed any strong motivation to be "seduced by the dark side" and start running<br>trap-ware user applications.</p><p>I view mono in the same way. The motivation just isn't there yet despite the amount<br>that certain people try to push it. The attraction just isn't there.</p><p>Wine at least has Picasa going for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The " java trap " ( if it ever existed ) never happened because the platform nevermaterialized as a viable means for running end user applications .
There neverexisted any strong motivation to be " seduced by the dark side " and start runningtrap-ware user applications.I view mono in the same way .
The motivation just is n't there yet despite the amountthat certain people try to push it .
The attraction just is n't there.Wine at least has Picasa going for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "java trap" (if it ever existed) never happened because the platform nevermaterialized as a viable means for running end user applications.
There neverexisted any strong motivation to be "seduced by the dark side" and start runningtrap-ware user applications.I view mono in the same way.
The motivation just isn't there yet despite the amountthat certain people try to push it.
The attraction just isn't there.Wine at least has Picasa going for it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31162888</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160718</id>
	<title>K-ubuntu</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266317160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Ubuntu brand has worked well while KDE4 was working out the kinks, but as KDE is now (or becoming) better than Gnome, will there be brand name confusion, when people praise Kubuntu, and say Ubuntu is inferior?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Ubuntu brand has worked well while KDE4 was working out the kinks , but as KDE is now ( or becoming ) better than Gnome , will there be brand name confusion , when people praise Kubuntu , and say Ubuntu is inferior ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Ubuntu brand has worked well while KDE4 was working out the kinks, but as KDE is now (or becoming) better than Gnome, will there be brand name confusion, when people praise Kubuntu, and say Ubuntu is inferior?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31164430</id>
	<title>Sincere question: Why this obsession with outdated</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266339000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have just one question: What is Ubuntu's rabid obsession with distributing outdated software packages?

<p>

Certain software (Firefox, Sun's Java, Flash Codec, PHP, GCC, the linux kernel itself) should <i>always</i> be the latest stable version available from the main source itself. Yet Ubuntu lags behind by six to twelve months? All this talk of checking for stability etc is nonsense, since how much code do Ubuntu people actually read (or can even modify) in Firefox, PHP or Sun's Java codec? Just give us users the option to upgrade to the latest stable version within 24 hours it is made available. Let <i>us</i> decide which version we want to run. This is one of those rare things Windows does right, Ubuntu should not be ashamed to copy the right ideas no matter where they come from. These software are commonly used for web development and browsing, so there are clear security and performance benefits by using the latest versions.
</p><p>

I do not want to use Java 6.0.15 when I know Sun has made the 6.0.18 available on their website. I do not want to run Firefox 3.5 when I know Firefox 3.6 is so much faster. I do not want to run PHP 5.2 when the PHP <a href="http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php#5.3.1" title="php.net" rel="nofollow">changelog demonstrates</a> [php.net] anyone not using the latest stable version is an idiot. I do not want to rely on some random, untrusted person's "PPA". Nor do I want to download the source and compile. No, I do not want to wait for six months for next Ubuntu version either; six months is ages when security and performance are concerned.

</p><p>

Matt, are you going to change the culture of laziness and start giving us latest version of commonly used software (preferably within 24 hours of release)? I just want to be able to stay in GUI, run the Upgrade Manager and get the latest stable releases. Please, I beg you, is this too much to ask for? Because otherwise Ubuntu is the perfect Linux distribution for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have just one question : What is Ubuntu 's rabid obsession with distributing outdated software packages ?
Certain software ( Firefox , Sun 's Java , Flash Codec , PHP , GCC , the linux kernel itself ) should always be the latest stable version available from the main source itself .
Yet Ubuntu lags behind by six to twelve months ?
All this talk of checking for stability etc is nonsense , since how much code do Ubuntu people actually read ( or can even modify ) in Firefox , PHP or Sun 's Java codec ?
Just give us users the option to upgrade to the latest stable version within 24 hours it is made available .
Let us decide which version we want to run .
This is one of those rare things Windows does right , Ubuntu should not be ashamed to copy the right ideas no matter where they come from .
These software are commonly used for web development and browsing , so there are clear security and performance benefits by using the latest versions .
I do not want to use Java 6.0.15 when I know Sun has made the 6.0.18 available on their website .
I do not want to run Firefox 3.5 when I know Firefox 3.6 is so much faster .
I do not want to run PHP 5.2 when the PHP changelog demonstrates [ php.net ] anyone not using the latest stable version is an idiot .
I do not want to rely on some random , untrusted person 's " PPA " .
Nor do I want to download the source and compile .
No , I do not want to wait for six months for next Ubuntu version either ; six months is ages when security and performance are concerned .
Matt , are you going to change the culture of laziness and start giving us latest version of commonly used software ( preferably within 24 hours of release ) ?
I just want to be able to stay in GUI , run the Upgrade Manager and get the latest stable releases .
Please , I beg you , is this too much to ask for ?
Because otherwise Ubuntu is the perfect Linux distribution for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have just one question: What is Ubuntu's rabid obsession with distributing outdated software packages?
Certain software (Firefox, Sun's Java, Flash Codec, PHP, GCC, the linux kernel itself) should always be the latest stable version available from the main source itself.
Yet Ubuntu lags behind by six to twelve months?
All this talk of checking for stability etc is nonsense, since how much code do Ubuntu people actually read (or can even modify) in Firefox, PHP or Sun's Java codec?
Just give us users the option to upgrade to the latest stable version within 24 hours it is made available.
Let us decide which version we want to run.
This is one of those rare things Windows does right, Ubuntu should not be ashamed to copy the right ideas no matter where they come from.
These software are commonly used for web development and browsing, so there are clear security and performance benefits by using the latest versions.
I do not want to use Java 6.0.15 when I know Sun has made the 6.0.18 available on their website.
I do not want to run Firefox 3.5 when I know Firefox 3.6 is so much faster.
I do not want to run PHP 5.2 when the PHP changelog demonstrates [php.net] anyone not using the latest stable version is an idiot.
I do not want to rely on some random, untrusted person's "PPA".
Nor do I want to download the source and compile.
No, I do not want to wait for six months for next Ubuntu version either; six months is ages when security and performance are concerned.
Matt, are you going to change the culture of laziness and start giving us latest version of commonly used software (preferably within 24 hours of release)?
I just want to be able to stay in GUI, run the Upgrade Manager and get the latest stable releases.
Please, I beg you, is this too much to ask for?
Because otherwise Ubuntu is the perfect Linux distribution for me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161548</id>
	<title>Re:What about WINE and Mono?</title>
	<author>dshk</author>
	<datestamp>1266320880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Personally I don't trust in any native apps. Not even in the OS. However, I agree with you on the legal state of Mono.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally I do n't trust in any native apps .
Not even in the OS .
However , I agree with you on the legal state of Mono .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally I don't trust in any native apps.
Not even in the OS.
However, I agree with you on the legal state of Mono.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161122</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu and KDE</title>
	<author>bcrowell</author>
	<datestamp>1266318960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I loathe Gnome personally but don't begrude people the freedom of choice. However, with Ubuntu becoming almost synonymous with Linux, do they have a responsibility to try and put out a quality KDE desktop along with a quality Gnome desktop?</p></div></blockquote><p>
Yep. Coming at this from a slightly different angle, I use fluxbox on ubuntu rather than gnome. One of the big problems in karmic is that I'm being affected by multiple new regressions that seem to arise from the lack of any serious testing on any desktop environment other than gnome. Two examples: (1) Previously, sound used to work fine for me in fluxbox. Now, sound works sometimes in Gnome, never in fluxbox. (2) <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsplash/+bug/504403" title="launchpad.net">This</a> [launchpad.net] bug appears to arise because they decided to implement a new signal from the Gnome desktop to let xsplash know when it was done starting up, but nobody appears to have bothered to check what would happen in desktop environments other than Gnome, which don't implement the signal.
</p><p>
I understand that Gnome is the primary desktop focus of the standard version of ubuntu. But is is really that much to ask that someone at least start up the other desktop environments once to see if they work? Both of the problems above were evident to me within five minutes of upgrading from jaunty to karmic.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I loathe Gnome personally but do n't begrude people the freedom of choice .
However , with Ubuntu becoming almost synonymous with Linux , do they have a responsibility to try and put out a quality KDE desktop along with a quality Gnome desktop ?
Yep. Coming at this from a slightly different angle , I use fluxbox on ubuntu rather than gnome .
One of the big problems in karmic is that I 'm being affected by multiple new regressions that seem to arise from the lack of any serious testing on any desktop environment other than gnome .
Two examples : ( 1 ) Previously , sound used to work fine for me in fluxbox .
Now , sound works sometimes in Gnome , never in fluxbox .
( 2 ) This [ launchpad.net ] bug appears to arise because they decided to implement a new signal from the Gnome desktop to let xsplash know when it was done starting up , but nobody appears to have bothered to check what would happen in desktop environments other than Gnome , which do n't implement the signal .
I understand that Gnome is the primary desktop focus of the standard version of ubuntu .
But is is really that much to ask that someone at least start up the other desktop environments once to see if they work ?
Both of the problems above were evident to me within five minutes of upgrading from jaunty to karmic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I loathe Gnome personally but don't begrude people the freedom of choice.
However, with Ubuntu becoming almost synonymous with Linux, do they have a responsibility to try and put out a quality KDE desktop along with a quality Gnome desktop?
Yep. Coming at this from a slightly different angle, I use fluxbox on ubuntu rather than gnome.
One of the big problems in karmic is that I'm being affected by multiple new regressions that seem to arise from the lack of any serious testing on any desktop environment other than gnome.
Two examples: (1) Previously, sound used to work fine for me in fluxbox.
Now, sound works sometimes in Gnome, never in fluxbox.
(2) This [launchpad.net] bug appears to arise because they decided to implement a new signal from the Gnome desktop to let xsplash know when it was done starting up, but nobody appears to have bothered to check what would happen in desktop environments other than Gnome, which don't implement the signal.
I understand that Gnome is the primary desktop focus of the standard version of ubuntu.
But is is really that much to ask that someone at least start up the other desktop environments once to see if they work?
Both of the problems above were evident to me within five minutes of upgrading from jaunty to karmic.

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160940</id>
	<title>Business apps?</title>
	<author>DogDude</author>
	<datestamp>1266318180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does Ubuntu have any plans for trying to recruit business software makers to make Linux versions?  Before Ubuntu can be useful to me, at the very least, there needs to be at least ONE functional financial package (ala: Quickbooks, Simply, etc.), for example.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does Ubuntu have any plans for trying to recruit business software makers to make Linux versions ?
Before Ubuntu can be useful to me , at the very least , there needs to be at least ONE functional financial package ( ala : Quickbooks , Simply , etc .
) , for example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does Ubuntu have any plans for trying to recruit business software makers to make Linux versions?
Before Ubuntu can be useful to me, at the very least, there needs to be at least ONE functional financial package (ala: Quickbooks, Simply, etc.
), for example.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31250184</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu and KDE</title>
	<author>FoolishOwl</author>
	<datestamp>1266919020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Personally, I've been wanting to install and try out KDE on my preferred computer, but I haven't, because the menu systems will list Gnome apps and KDE apps both, in both desktops. If they could just standardize a tag that would say "gnome-only" or "kde-only", I'd be happy to install the Kubuntu desktop. Likewise for Xubuntu.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , I 've been wanting to install and try out KDE on my preferred computer , but I have n't , because the menu systems will list Gnome apps and KDE apps both , in both desktops .
If they could just standardize a tag that would say " gnome-only " or " kde-only " , I 'd be happy to install the Kubuntu desktop .
Likewise for Xubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, I've been wanting to install and try out KDE on my preferred computer, but I haven't, because the menu systems will list Gnome apps and KDE apps both, in both desktops.
If they could just standardize a tag that would say "gnome-only" or "kde-only", I'd be happy to install the Kubuntu desktop.
Likewise for Xubuntu.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31162624</id>
	<title>A technical question...</title>
	<author>chaoskitty</author>
	<datestamp>1266326640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hello,</p><p>I have a question about the results of asking a question. I administer a few Ubuntu VMs and I want to simply turn off screen blanking (please note I didn't say anything about running X). How does one simply turn off screen blanking with regards to the standard text login window? Note that setenv and friends aren't the answer because I want screen blanking off always, not just when someone is logged in.</p><p>But this isn't about that question specifically. While I still want the question to be answered, what I feel is a more important point is this: the answer is horribly difficult to find. Extensive Googling hasn't provided one. Posting on the Ubuntu forums hasn't provided any help. man pages and digging around in configuration files hasn't demystified anything. This is just an example (but I think it's a good example) where someone decided, "hey, this might be a good idea", but never documented it anywhere nor discussed it publicly.</p><p>This, I think, is a growing problem with GNU/Linux distributions. While each attempts to make things easier for the casual Windows convert, the overall cohesiveness of each distro diminishes.</p><p>Do you see this as a problem? Do you plan to make changes to the way decisions about Ubuntu are made and, just as importantly, documented? Do you plan to make Ubuntu more cohesive and better organized?</p><p>Thanks,<br>John Klos</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hello,I have a question about the results of asking a question .
I administer a few Ubuntu VMs and I want to simply turn off screen blanking ( please note I did n't say anything about running X ) .
How does one simply turn off screen blanking with regards to the standard text login window ?
Note that setenv and friends are n't the answer because I want screen blanking off always , not just when someone is logged in.But this is n't about that question specifically .
While I still want the question to be answered , what I feel is a more important point is this : the answer is horribly difficult to find .
Extensive Googling has n't provided one .
Posting on the Ubuntu forums has n't provided any help .
man pages and digging around in configuration files has n't demystified anything .
This is just an example ( but I think it 's a good example ) where someone decided , " hey , this might be a good idea " , but never documented it anywhere nor discussed it publicly.This , I think , is a growing problem with GNU/Linux distributions .
While each attempts to make things easier for the casual Windows convert , the overall cohesiveness of each distro diminishes.Do you see this as a problem ?
Do you plan to make changes to the way decisions about Ubuntu are made and , just as importantly , documented ?
Do you plan to make Ubuntu more cohesive and better organized ? Thanks,John Klos</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hello,I have a question about the results of asking a question.
I administer a few Ubuntu VMs and I want to simply turn off screen blanking (please note I didn't say anything about running X).
How does one simply turn off screen blanking with regards to the standard text login window?
Note that setenv and friends aren't the answer because I want screen blanking off always, not just when someone is logged in.But this isn't about that question specifically.
While I still want the question to be answered, what I feel is a more important point is this: the answer is horribly difficult to find.
Extensive Googling hasn't provided one.
Posting on the Ubuntu forums hasn't provided any help.
man pages and digging around in configuration files hasn't demystified anything.
This is just an example (but I think it's a good example) where someone decided, "hey, this might be a good idea", but never documented it anywhere nor discussed it publicly.This, I think, is a growing problem with GNU/Linux distributions.
While each attempts to make things easier for the casual Windows convert, the overall cohesiveness of each distro diminishes.Do you see this as a problem?
Do you plan to make changes to the way decisions about Ubuntu are made and, just as importantly, documented?
Do you plan to make Ubuntu more cohesive and better organized?Thanks,John Klos</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160708</id>
	<title>I know there are skins, but</title>
	<author>sys.stdout.write</author>
	<datestamp>1266317160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>... I was just wondering if there were plans to move the default color scheme away from burnt orange.<br> <br>
It just seems that if Ubuntu wants to appeal to more mainstream users, a good approach would be to have a color scheme that doesn't look like a desert wasteland.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... I was just wondering if there were plans to move the default color scheme away from burnt orange .
It just seems that if Ubuntu wants to appeal to more mainstream users , a good approach would be to have a color scheme that does n't look like a desert wasteland .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... I was just wondering if there were plans to move the default color scheme away from burnt orange.
It just seems that if Ubuntu wants to appeal to more mainstream users, a good approach would be to have a color scheme that doesn't look like a desert wasteland.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31165088</id>
	<title>Re:Quality Control</title>
	<author>WeatherGod</author>
	<datestamp>1266343440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are two major possibilities for your issue.  The first was a bug for some people when they upgraded to Karmic. For whatever reason, many people were not booting into the correct kernel.  Therefore the kernel drivers would not work properly.  The second possibility was that the PA-compatible kernel drivers had yet to be made for your hardware by the time of Karmic release.  However, you can install 'linux-modules-backports-alsa-karmic-generic' package to obtain the backports of the absolute latest kernel modules that are being made for PA in Lucid.  It is possible that your hardware has been addressed in the backports.</p><p>Of course, YMMV...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are two major possibilities for your issue .
The first was a bug for some people when they upgraded to Karmic .
For whatever reason , many people were not booting into the correct kernel .
Therefore the kernel drivers would not work properly .
The second possibility was that the PA-compatible kernel drivers had yet to be made for your hardware by the time of Karmic release .
However , you can install 'linux-modules-backports-alsa-karmic-generic ' package to obtain the backports of the absolute latest kernel modules that are being made for PA in Lucid .
It is possible that your hardware has been addressed in the backports.Of course , YMMV.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are two major possibilities for your issue.
The first was a bug for some people when they upgraded to Karmic.
For whatever reason, many people were not booting into the correct kernel.
Therefore the kernel drivers would not work properly.
The second possibility was that the PA-compatible kernel drivers had yet to be made for your hardware by the time of Karmic release.
However, you can install 'linux-modules-backports-alsa-karmic-generic' package to obtain the backports of the absolute latest kernel modules that are being made for PA in Lucid.
It is possible that your hardware has been addressed in the backports.Of course, YMMV...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161094</id>
	<title>Re:How come I can't install RealPlayer on Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>zippthorne</author>
	<datestamp>1266318840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>why doesn't the desktop properties window fit (thereby leaving me stuck?</p></div><p>you're not stuck, although that does sound like bad design.  Fortunately, Gnome has a solution to the general problem of poorly sized dialog boxes going off the screen for whatever reason.  Hold the [alt] key and click anywhere in the window and drag.  Which is a far sight better than what Apple has chosen to do with windows that go off screen: Resize automatically <em>sometimes</em>, only allow moving windows from the thin strip at the top, and only allow resizing windows with a small tab on a single corner.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>why does n't the desktop properties window fit ( thereby leaving me stuck ? you 're not stuck , although that does sound like bad design .
Fortunately , Gnome has a solution to the general problem of poorly sized dialog boxes going off the screen for whatever reason .
Hold the [ alt ] key and click anywhere in the window and drag .
Which is a far sight better than what Apple has chosen to do with windows that go off screen : Resize automatically sometimes , only allow moving windows from the thin strip at the top , and only allow resizing windows with a small tab on a single corner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why doesn't the desktop properties window fit (thereby leaving me stuck?you're not stuck, although that does sound like bad design.
Fortunately, Gnome has a solution to the general problem of poorly sized dialog boxes going off the screen for whatever reason.
Hold the [alt] key and click anywhere in the window and drag.
Which is a far sight better than what Apple has chosen to do with windows that go off screen: Resize automatically sometimes, only allow moving windows from the thin strip at the top, and only allow resizing windows with a small tab on a single corner.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31171152</id>
	<title>Re:Business apps?</title>
	<author>Enderandrew</author>
	<datestamp>1265046480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They aren't Gnome-centric, but KMyMoney and Skrooge and both very promising programs suitable for personal finance, or business finance.</p><p>They both import Quickbooks data.</p><p>You can also use Quickbooks via the web these days.</p><p>I think the issue for many people in the business world is integration with existing Window systems, and/or importing data from those systems.</p><p>Can you interact well with an Exchange server? Can you import a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.PST file?</p><p>Novell seems to be pushing the innovation in Mono development (being able to move over your<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET apps, which are huge in the enterprise world), OpenXchange support, OOXML support in OpenOffice, etc. Novell also seems to be spearheading the Samba4 work. Why can't we replace a Windows DC with a Linux DC and integrate nicely into the existing Windows domain structure? Why can't a Linux DC work as a backup to a Windows DC? Why can't you manage AD from a Linux client?</p><p>We berate Microsoft for a lack of interoperability. It is hard convincing a shop to switch from 100\% Microsoft to 100\% non-Microsoft. You need to be able to sell a smooth transition and migration, which often means interoperability.</p><p>This is perhaps the largest block to wider Linux adoption. Shouldn't this be a core focus?<br>I'd like to see better migration tools.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are n't Gnome-centric , but KMyMoney and Skrooge and both very promising programs suitable for personal finance , or business finance.They both import Quickbooks data.You can also use Quickbooks via the web these days.I think the issue for many people in the business world is integration with existing Window systems , and/or importing data from those systems.Can you interact well with an Exchange server ?
Can you import a .PST file ? Novell seems to be pushing the innovation in Mono development ( being able to move over your .NET apps , which are huge in the enterprise world ) , OpenXchange support , OOXML support in OpenOffice , etc .
Novell also seems to be spearheading the Samba4 work .
Why ca n't we replace a Windows DC with a Linux DC and integrate nicely into the existing Windows domain structure ?
Why ca n't a Linux DC work as a backup to a Windows DC ?
Why ca n't you manage AD from a Linux client ? We berate Microsoft for a lack of interoperability .
It is hard convincing a shop to switch from 100 \ % Microsoft to 100 \ % non-Microsoft .
You need to be able to sell a smooth transition and migration , which often means interoperability.This is perhaps the largest block to wider Linux adoption .
Should n't this be a core focus ? I 'd like to see better migration tools .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They aren't Gnome-centric, but KMyMoney and Skrooge and both very promising programs suitable for personal finance, or business finance.They both import Quickbooks data.You can also use Quickbooks via the web these days.I think the issue for many people in the business world is integration with existing Window systems, and/or importing data from those systems.Can you interact well with an Exchange server?
Can you import a .PST file?Novell seems to be pushing the innovation in Mono development (being able to move over your .NET apps, which are huge in the enterprise world), OpenXchange support, OOXML support in OpenOffice, etc.
Novell also seems to be spearheading the Samba4 work.
Why can't we replace a Windows DC with a Linux DC and integrate nicely into the existing Windows domain structure?
Why can't a Linux DC work as a backup to a Windows DC?
Why can't you manage AD from a Linux client?We berate Microsoft for a lack of interoperability.
It is hard convincing a shop to switch from 100\% Microsoft to 100\% non-Microsoft.
You need to be able to sell a smooth transition and migration, which often means interoperability.This is perhaps the largest block to wider Linux adoption.
Shouldn't this be a core focus?I'd like to see better migration tools.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161112</id>
	<title>It don't mean Jack</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266318960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to The Register, "...Alfresco he'd helped the company to 18 straight growth quarters, with Alfresco's most recent quarter - ending February 28 - the company's biggest ever"</p><p>Yeah, well as Chancellor of the Exchequer, Gordon Brown lead the Great Britain to 49 straight quarters of growth before becoming Prime Minister when Tony Blair fled.</p><p>Believe me, it don't mean Jack.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to The Register , " ...Alfresco he 'd helped the company to 18 straight growth quarters , with Alfresco 's most recent quarter - ending February 28 - the company 's biggest ever " Yeah , well as Chancellor of the Exchequer , Gordon Brown lead the Great Britain to 49 straight quarters of growth before becoming Prime Minister when Tony Blair fled.Believe me , it do n't mean Jack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to The Register, "...Alfresco he'd helped the company to 18 straight growth quarters, with Alfresco's most recent quarter - ending February 28 - the company's biggest ever"Yeah, well as Chancellor of the Exchequer, Gordon Brown lead the Great Britain to 49 straight quarters of growth before becoming Prime Minister when Tony Blair fled.Believe me, it don't mean Jack.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31162560</id>
	<title>how do you guys plan on making money?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266326220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what's your business model going to be?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what 's your business model going to be ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what's your business model going to be?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160694</id>
	<title>Microsoft Pac-Man : gobble! Ubuntu? gobble!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266317040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now that Mark Shuttleworth has stepped aside, how long until the Microsoft coyotes come in and either implant a new CEO or insert stealth ex-employees into the fold to subvert Ubuntu or suddenly announce a new pact with Microsoft and Novell? How long can we expect Ubuntu to continue free of Redmond's grasp? Many won't speak of this, but you know the feelings are there. Just you wait, the "let's make a deal" Microsoft fairies will swarm in and around Ubuntu eventually.</p><p>: We promise we won't sue you today for the hamburger you eat from out of our interoperability kitchen, but we may always change our position once you become addicted to our hamburgers!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now that Mark Shuttleworth has stepped aside , how long until the Microsoft coyotes come in and either implant a new CEO or insert stealth ex-employees into the fold to subvert Ubuntu or suddenly announce a new pact with Microsoft and Novell ?
How long can we expect Ubuntu to continue free of Redmond 's grasp ?
Many wo n't speak of this , but you know the feelings are there .
Just you wait , the " let 's make a deal " Microsoft fairies will swarm in and around Ubuntu eventually .
: We promise we wo n't sue you today for the hamburger you eat from out of our interoperability kitchen , but we may always change our position once you become addicted to our hamburgers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now that Mark Shuttleworth has stepped aside, how long until the Microsoft coyotes come in and either implant a new CEO or insert stealth ex-employees into the fold to subvert Ubuntu or suddenly announce a new pact with Microsoft and Novell?
How long can we expect Ubuntu to continue free of Redmond's grasp?
Many won't speak of this, but you know the feelings are there.
Just you wait, the "let's make a deal" Microsoft fairies will swarm in and around Ubuntu eventually.
: We promise we won't sue you today for the hamburger you eat from out of our interoperability kitchen, but we may always change our position once you become addicted to our hamburgers!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31162040</id>
	<title>Re:simple one here</title>
	<author>Luke has no name</author>
	<datestamp>1266323580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Yahoo deal is not dangerous in any way. That's FUD to the max.</p><p>I haven't read every license discussion and I'm not a lawyer, but if Debian has found it legally safe to keep Mono, then I don't see how it is truly dangerous in any way.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/thread, lest we get into a Monowar.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Yahoo deal is not dangerous in any way .
That 's FUD to the max.I have n't read every license discussion and I 'm not a lawyer , but if Debian has found it legally safe to keep Mono , then I do n't see how it is truly dangerous in any way .
/thread , lest we get into a Monowar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Yahoo deal is not dangerous in any way.
That's FUD to the max.I haven't read every license discussion and I'm not a lawyer, but if Debian has found it legally safe to keep Mono, then I don't see how it is truly dangerous in any way.
/thread, lest we get into a Monowar.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31165834</id>
	<title>Re:Is there a time to fork?</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1266349020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Your post boils down to the usual complaint that application XYZ isn't available on Linux. It's true, many aren't. For many of them, there are alternatives that are at least good enough for most people. For many others, particularly custom and specialised software there are no alternatives apart from running them in Wine.</i> </p><p>The problem is that "good enough" FOSS app for Linux will be routinely ported to Windows or begin as a native Windows app. There is no compelling reason to migrate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your post boils down to the usual complaint that application XYZ is n't available on Linux .
It 's true , many are n't .
For many of them , there are alternatives that are at least good enough for most people .
For many others , particularly custom and specialised software there are no alternatives apart from running them in Wine .
The problem is that " good enough " FOSS app for Linux will be routinely ported to Windows or begin as a native Windows app .
There is no compelling reason to migrate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your post boils down to the usual complaint that application XYZ isn't available on Linux.
It's true, many aren't.
For many of them, there are alternatives that are at least good enough for most people.
For many others, particularly custom and specialised software there are no alternatives apart from running them in Wine.
The problem is that "good enough" FOSS app for Linux will be routinely ported to Windows or begin as a native Windows app.
There is no compelling reason to migrate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161276</id>
	<title>How big an effort is hardware support ?</title>
	<author>obarthelemy</author>
	<datestamp>1266319620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We're seeing more and more vendors trying to target their OS not only to specific devices, but to very specific components (vid cards, resolutions, network cards...), following in Apple's footsteps. What percentage of dev time does Canonical spend on driver and config support ? Do you think it makes sense for the 'official' distros to alleviate the burden at the cost of some users no longer getting official support ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 're seeing more and more vendors trying to target their OS not only to specific devices , but to very specific components ( vid cards , resolutions , network cards... ) , following in Apple 's footsteps .
What percentage of dev time does Canonical spend on driver and config support ?
Do you think it makes sense for the 'official ' distros to alleviate the burden at the cost of some users no longer getting official support ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We're seeing more and more vendors trying to target their OS not only to specific devices, but to very specific components (vid cards, resolutions, network cards...), following in Apple's footsteps.
What percentage of dev time does Canonical spend on driver and config support ?
Do you think it makes sense for the 'official' distros to alleviate the burden at the cost of some users no longer getting official support ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161028</id>
	<title>Re:Quality Control</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266318540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is an excellent question. I've been using ubuntu since edgy eft, and I'm really dismayed by the quality of jaunty and (especially) karmic. The biggest issue is that sound, which worked for me in edgy through intrepid, started working poorly in jaunty, and is now essentially completely broken for me in karmic. I've spent a lot of time surfing ubuntuforms.org, collecting information, trying to write useful and well documented bug reports, etc. But the upshot is that there have been major, major regressions in sound for me.</p><p>
Another regression that affected me after the upgrade to karmic was <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsplash/+bug/504403" title="launchpad.net">this one</a> [launchpad.net]. I noticed the problem, and because it was causing me significant inconvenience I dug around in the source code and found it. As described in the bug report, there is a function called temporary\_hack\_for\_initial\_fade(). So obviously someone put a kludge in and then the kludge wasn't fixed in time for the release of karmic, so they released it anyway. This doesn't seem to speak well for the quality assurance procedures that go into a release of ubuntu.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is an excellent question .
I 've been using ubuntu since edgy eft , and I 'm really dismayed by the quality of jaunty and ( especially ) karmic .
The biggest issue is that sound , which worked for me in edgy through intrepid , started working poorly in jaunty , and is now essentially completely broken for me in karmic .
I 've spent a lot of time surfing ubuntuforms.org , collecting information , trying to write useful and well documented bug reports , etc .
But the upshot is that there have been major , major regressions in sound for me .
Another regression that affected me after the upgrade to karmic was this one [ launchpad.net ] .
I noticed the problem , and because it was causing me significant inconvenience I dug around in the source code and found it .
As described in the bug report , there is a function called temporary \ _hack \ _for \ _initial \ _fade ( ) .
So obviously someone put a kludge in and then the kludge was n't fixed in time for the release of karmic , so they released it anyway .
This does n't seem to speak well for the quality assurance procedures that go into a release of ubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is an excellent question.
I've been using ubuntu since edgy eft, and I'm really dismayed by the quality of jaunty and (especially) karmic.
The biggest issue is that sound, which worked for me in edgy through intrepid, started working poorly in jaunty, and is now essentially completely broken for me in karmic.
I've spent a lot of time surfing ubuntuforms.org, collecting information, trying to write useful and well documented bug reports, etc.
But the upshot is that there have been major, major regressions in sound for me.
Another regression that affected me after the upgrade to karmic was this one [launchpad.net].
I noticed the problem, and because it was causing me significant inconvenience I dug around in the source code and found it.
As described in the bug report, there is a function called temporary\_hack\_for\_initial\_fade().
So obviously someone put a kludge in and then the kludge wasn't fixed in time for the release of karmic, so they released it anyway.
This doesn't seem to speak well for the quality assurance procedures that go into a release of ubuntu.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160638</id>
	<title>Mono</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266316860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do we really need Mono in the default installation?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do we really need Mono in the default installation ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do we really need Mono in the default installation?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31165158</id>
	<title>Listening to the Users</title>
	<author>salemboot</author>
	<datestamp>1266343920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are many outstanding bug reports.  Waiting for upstream is not a good solution.  How will you address issues and ensure customers can come to rely on your company?</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are many outstanding bug reports .
Waiting for upstream is not a good solution .
How will you address issues and ensure customers can come to rely on your company ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are many outstanding bug reports.
Waiting for upstream is not a good solution.
How will you address issues and ensure customers can come to rely on your company?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31337660</id>
	<title>Re:What about WINE and Mono?</title>
	<author>pugugly</author>
	<datestamp>1267532400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, no.</p><p>There are applications that Windows has that Linux does not natively support.<br>No ideological commitment to opensource is going to make these apps magically appear on Linux in an explosion of Rainbows.<br>That being the case, utilizing wine to give near native support for otherwise missing applications strengthens Linux by expanding it's capabilities.</p><p>Moreover, competition for users among programs naturally drives the improvement of programs. The mere fact that a 'good enough' program on Linux has to contend with competition for mindspace with an interloper from Windows drives for improvement in both programs. Given that running under wine is an inherent disadvantage, possibly even driving the interloper to go native to linux.</p><p>Removing Wine would do nothing except cripple the evolution of native Linux application development by removing competition for mindshare. It would also almost exactly duplicate Microsoft's attempt to destroy Java as a multi-OS platform in a misguided attempt to lock people into Windows.</p><p>If you intend to posit that it was a mistake for them to do it, but smart for Linux competition to be suppressed in an almost identical way, you need to present strong evidence beyond mere ideology.</p><p>Pug</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , no.There are applications that Windows has that Linux does not natively support.No ideological commitment to opensource is going to make these apps magically appear on Linux in an explosion of Rainbows.That being the case , utilizing wine to give near native support for otherwise missing applications strengthens Linux by expanding it 's capabilities.Moreover , competition for users among programs naturally drives the improvement of programs .
The mere fact that a 'good enough ' program on Linux has to contend with competition for mindspace with an interloper from Windows drives for improvement in both programs .
Given that running under wine is an inherent disadvantage , possibly even driving the interloper to go native to linux.Removing Wine would do nothing except cripple the evolution of native Linux application development by removing competition for mindshare .
It would also almost exactly duplicate Microsoft 's attempt to destroy Java as a multi-OS platform in a misguided attempt to lock people into Windows.If you intend to posit that it was a mistake for them to do it , but smart for Linux competition to be suppressed in an almost identical way , you need to present strong evidence beyond mere ideology.Pug</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, no.There are applications that Windows has that Linux does not natively support.No ideological commitment to opensource is going to make these apps magically appear on Linux in an explosion of Rainbows.That being the case, utilizing wine to give near native support for otherwise missing applications strengthens Linux by expanding it's capabilities.Moreover, competition for users among programs naturally drives the improvement of programs.
The mere fact that a 'good enough' program on Linux has to contend with competition for mindspace with an interloper from Windows drives for improvement in both programs.
Given that running under wine is an inherent disadvantage, possibly even driving the interloper to go native to linux.Removing Wine would do nothing except cripple the evolution of native Linux application development by removing competition for mindshare.
It would also almost exactly duplicate Microsoft's attempt to destroy Java as a multi-OS platform in a misguided attempt to lock people into Windows.If you intend to posit that it was a mistake for them to do it, but smart for Linux competition to be suppressed in an almost identical way, you need to present strong evidence beyond mere ideology.Pug</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31166704</id>
	<title>About WINE</title>
	<author>ElusiveJoe</author>
	<datestamp>1265020440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The stable version is 1.1. The next stable version will be 1.2. Everything in between is considered a development release.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The stable version is 1.1 .
The next stable version will be 1.2 .
Everything in between is considered a development release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The stable version is 1.1.
The next stable version will be 1.2.
Everything in between is considered a development release.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161466</id>
	<title>Mobile platform plans</title>
	<author>abhikhurana</author>
	<datestamp>1266320460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What are Canonical's plans for mobile platforms? With Maemo, another Debian based distro, now available for smartphones, would Canonical also get involved with either that or maybe develop a completely new Distro?</p><p>With the desktop Linux market being extremely small and server markets being dominated by Red Hat and Novell, mobiles probably are the sweet spot for Canonical, with its strong focus on usability. Additionally, the lack of standardisation means that users are more willing to experiement with interfaces. So what is the relative priority of Mobile, Netbook, Desktop and Server platform in Canonical's roadmap?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What are Canonical 's plans for mobile platforms ?
With Maemo , another Debian based distro , now available for smartphones , would Canonical also get involved with either that or maybe develop a completely new Distro ? With the desktop Linux market being extremely small and server markets being dominated by Red Hat and Novell , mobiles probably are the sweet spot for Canonical , with its strong focus on usability .
Additionally , the lack of standardisation means that users are more willing to experiement with interfaces .
So what is the relative priority of Mobile , Netbook , Desktop and Server platform in Canonical 's roadmap ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What are Canonical's plans for mobile platforms?
With Maemo, another Debian based distro, now available for smartphones, would Canonical also get involved with either that or maybe develop a completely new Distro?With the desktop Linux market being extremely small and server markets being dominated by Red Hat and Novell, mobiles probably are the sweet spot for Canonical, with its strong focus on usability.
Additionally, the lack of standardisation means that users are more willing to experiement with interfaces.
So what is the relative priority of Mobile, Netbook, Desktop and Server platform in Canonical's roadmap?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31163952</id>
	<title>Re:Is there a time to fork?</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1266336060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well it's bad form to reply to yourself, but I just realized that I kept the original subject of "Is there a time to fork?"  That was my original question, but I deleted it from my post because I couldn't think of a reasonable way to formulate the question.  Since the question is out there, though, I'll give it another shot.
</p><p>The success of FOSS software depends on cooperation, but there can still be conflicting interests.  The goals that Ubuntu has for OpenOffice are probably not quite the same as the goals that Oracle has.  Redhat's vision for the future of Gnome may be different from Ubuntu's.  The strength of a diverse software ecosystem is offset somewhat by the weakness of lacking a coherent and unified vision.
</p><p>I was wondering whether the people at Ubuntu (or other distributions) felt that strain, and whether they ever found themselves at odds with the developers of applications, such as wanting to see a change made that the original developer was resistant to.  Was there ever a temptation to fork applications or part of the OS, hoping that enough of a community followed to make the fork viable.
</p><p>Part of the reason I've wondered is because of cases like OSX and Android, where there has been some success with companies starting from an open source base and going their own way.  Granted Apple and Google have quite a lot of resources to throw into these projects.
</p><p>So I've been wondering: Is there ever a time to fork something and go your own way?  How drastic does the situation need to be for that sort of option to be considered?
</p><p>(Yes, I do understand that there are downsides to forking.  Otherwise I wouldn't be asking.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well it 's bad form to reply to yourself , but I just realized that I kept the original subject of " Is there a time to fork ?
" That was my original question , but I deleted it from my post because I could n't think of a reasonable way to formulate the question .
Since the question is out there , though , I 'll give it another shot .
The success of FOSS software depends on cooperation , but there can still be conflicting interests .
The goals that Ubuntu has for OpenOffice are probably not quite the same as the goals that Oracle has .
Redhat 's vision for the future of Gnome may be different from Ubuntu 's .
The strength of a diverse software ecosystem is offset somewhat by the weakness of lacking a coherent and unified vision .
I was wondering whether the people at Ubuntu ( or other distributions ) felt that strain , and whether they ever found themselves at odds with the developers of applications , such as wanting to see a change made that the original developer was resistant to .
Was there ever a temptation to fork applications or part of the OS , hoping that enough of a community followed to make the fork viable .
Part of the reason I 've wondered is because of cases like OSX and Android , where there has been some success with companies starting from an open source base and going their own way .
Granted Apple and Google have quite a lot of resources to throw into these projects .
So I 've been wondering : Is there ever a time to fork something and go your own way ?
How drastic does the situation need to be for that sort of option to be considered ?
( Yes , I do understand that there are downsides to forking .
Otherwise I would n't be asking .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well it's bad form to reply to yourself, but I just realized that I kept the original subject of "Is there a time to fork?
"  That was my original question, but I deleted it from my post because I couldn't think of a reasonable way to formulate the question.
Since the question is out there, though, I'll give it another shot.
The success of FOSS software depends on cooperation, but there can still be conflicting interests.
The goals that Ubuntu has for OpenOffice are probably not quite the same as the goals that Oracle has.
Redhat's vision for the future of Gnome may be different from Ubuntu's.
The strength of a diverse software ecosystem is offset somewhat by the weakness of lacking a coherent and unified vision.
I was wondering whether the people at Ubuntu (or other distributions) felt that strain, and whether they ever found themselves at odds with the developers of applications, such as wanting to see a change made that the original developer was resistant to.
Was there ever a temptation to fork applications or part of the OS, hoping that enough of a community followed to make the fork viable.
Part of the reason I've wondered is because of cases like OSX and Android, where there has been some success with companies starting from an open source base and going their own way.
Granted Apple and Google have quite a lot of resources to throw into these projects.
So I've been wondering: Is there ever a time to fork something and go your own way?
How drastic does the situation need to be for that sort of option to be considered?
(Yes, I do understand that there are downsides to forking.
Otherwise I wouldn't be asking.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31161108</id>
	<title>Is there a time to fork?</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1266318900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, I know my viewpoint is going to anger and annoy some people, but I've been thinking about the relative lack of success of Linux on the desktop lately.  By "relative lack of success" I don't mean to bash the quality of Linux, but only that it doesn't seem to be very widely used in spite of being pretty good for a lot of purposes.  So first, my obvious question would be, to what do you attribute the relative lack of success, and what plans do you have, if any, to do something about it.
</p><p>To be a little more specific (and to answer my own question a little bit) it seems to me that a fair amount of the problem isn't the OS itself, but the associate applications.  For example, lots of people have complained about GIMP for reasons ranging from lack of specific functionality to an unconventional UI, and even to the awkward connotations of the name "GIMP".  Even having personally gotten some graphic designers to try the GIMP, I have yet to know any professional designers who find it adequate.  I'd like to use Linux, but don't find I can come close replicating an equivalent workflow to what I have available using tools like Microsoft Office, Adobe Creative Suite, and Sound Forge. (those are the applications I'm personally stuck with, though I'm sure other people have other applications on their personal lists.)
</p><p>Sorry if this is a vague or offensive question, but I'd really like to know, is there a plan to attack those kinds of issues at any point?  I feel like Ubuntu (and other Linux distros) have done a pretty good job in polishing the installation procedures and the "look and feel" aspect of things, but does there come a time when you say, "We need a serious Adobe CS competitor for our OS to be competitive on the desktop, so let's make that happen"?  If so, what happens then?
</p><p>Sorry, I know people are going to tell me that I should just use the GIMP and if it doesn't do what I need, I should rewrite it.  Sorry, I don't have the programming skills and and I don't have the money to single-handedly fund development of all the applications that I'd need to switch to Linux.  I'd be willing to buy them once they were developed, or even make modest contributions to a project that I thought would actually deliver on what I needed, but I'm not a software developer.
</p><p>Really, honestly, I'm not trying to be offensive to FOSS developers.  I'm just speaking as someone who, for both practical and ideological reasons, would love to switch away from using Windows, but I keep finding that I can't.  I use Debian and Ubuntu when I can, and have even contributed money to FOSS projects.  So ultimately my question is, does Ubuntu have as one of its goals to enable someone like me to finally make the switch to Linux?  If so, what's the plan?  What can I do to help?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , I know my viewpoint is going to anger and annoy some people , but I 've been thinking about the relative lack of success of Linux on the desktop lately .
By " relative lack of success " I do n't mean to bash the quality of Linux , but only that it does n't seem to be very widely used in spite of being pretty good for a lot of purposes .
So first , my obvious question would be , to what do you attribute the relative lack of success , and what plans do you have , if any , to do something about it .
To be a little more specific ( and to answer my own question a little bit ) it seems to me that a fair amount of the problem is n't the OS itself , but the associate applications .
For example , lots of people have complained about GIMP for reasons ranging from lack of specific functionality to an unconventional UI , and even to the awkward connotations of the name " GIMP " .
Even having personally gotten some graphic designers to try the GIMP , I have yet to know any professional designers who find it adequate .
I 'd like to use Linux , but do n't find I can come close replicating an equivalent workflow to what I have available using tools like Microsoft Office , Adobe Creative Suite , and Sound Forge .
( those are the applications I 'm personally stuck with , though I 'm sure other people have other applications on their personal lists .
) Sorry if this is a vague or offensive question , but I 'd really like to know , is there a plan to attack those kinds of issues at any point ?
I feel like Ubuntu ( and other Linux distros ) have done a pretty good job in polishing the installation procedures and the " look and feel " aspect of things , but does there come a time when you say , " We need a serious Adobe CS competitor for our OS to be competitive on the desktop , so let 's make that happen " ?
If so , what happens then ?
Sorry , I know people are going to tell me that I should just use the GIMP and if it does n't do what I need , I should rewrite it .
Sorry , I do n't have the programming skills and and I do n't have the money to single-handedly fund development of all the applications that I 'd need to switch to Linux .
I 'd be willing to buy them once they were developed , or even make modest contributions to a project that I thought would actually deliver on what I needed , but I 'm not a software developer .
Really , honestly , I 'm not trying to be offensive to FOSS developers .
I 'm just speaking as someone who , for both practical and ideological reasons , would love to switch away from using Windows , but I keep finding that I ca n't .
I use Debian and Ubuntu when I can , and have even contributed money to FOSS projects .
So ultimately my question is , does Ubuntu have as one of its goals to enable someone like me to finally make the switch to Linux ?
If so , what 's the plan ?
What can I do to help ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, I know my viewpoint is going to anger and annoy some people, but I've been thinking about the relative lack of success of Linux on the desktop lately.
By "relative lack of success" I don't mean to bash the quality of Linux, but only that it doesn't seem to be very widely used in spite of being pretty good for a lot of purposes.
So first, my obvious question would be, to what do you attribute the relative lack of success, and what plans do you have, if any, to do something about it.
To be a little more specific (and to answer my own question a little bit) it seems to me that a fair amount of the problem isn't the OS itself, but the associate applications.
For example, lots of people have complained about GIMP for reasons ranging from lack of specific functionality to an unconventional UI, and even to the awkward connotations of the name "GIMP".
Even having personally gotten some graphic designers to try the GIMP, I have yet to know any professional designers who find it adequate.
I'd like to use Linux, but don't find I can come close replicating an equivalent workflow to what I have available using tools like Microsoft Office, Adobe Creative Suite, and Sound Forge.
(those are the applications I'm personally stuck with, though I'm sure other people have other applications on their personal lists.
)
Sorry if this is a vague or offensive question, but I'd really like to know, is there a plan to attack those kinds of issues at any point?
I feel like Ubuntu (and other Linux distros) have done a pretty good job in polishing the installation procedures and the "look and feel" aspect of things, but does there come a time when you say, "We need a serious Adobe CS competitor for our OS to be competitive on the desktop, so let's make that happen"?
If so, what happens then?
Sorry, I know people are going to tell me that I should just use the GIMP and if it doesn't do what I need, I should rewrite it.
Sorry, I don't have the programming skills and and I don't have the money to single-handedly fund development of all the applications that I'd need to switch to Linux.
I'd be willing to buy them once they were developed, or even make modest contributions to a project that I thought would actually deliver on what I needed, but I'm not a software developer.
Really, honestly, I'm not trying to be offensive to FOSS developers.
I'm just speaking as someone who, for both practical and ideological reasons, would love to switch away from using Windows, but I keep finding that I can't.
I use Debian and Ubuntu when I can, and have even contributed money to FOSS projects.
So ultimately my question is, does Ubuntu have as one of its goals to enable someone like me to finally make the switch to Linux?
If so, what's the plan?
What can I do to help?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160762</id>
	<title>Re:How come I can't install RealPlayer on Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>FooAtWFU</author>
	<datestamp>1266317340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Right -- hear that, mods? Not a troll. Just Off-Topic.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:b
<p>
(You admit that it's an opinion, after all, and this is more an interview than a promote-your-opinion discussion...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right -- hear that , mods ?
Not a troll .
Just Off-Topic .
: b ( You admit that it 's an opinion , after all , and this is more an interview than a promote-your-opinion discussion... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right -- hear that, mods?
Not a troll.
Just Off-Topic.
:b

(You admit that it's an opinion, after all, and this is more an interview than a promote-your-opinion discussion...)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160624</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31167142</id>
	<title>How will Ubuntu develop the GUI toolkit?</title>
	<author>bmcage</author>
	<datestamp>1265025180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How will Ubuntu support the Gtk toolkit development, so as not to become irrelevant as opposed to Qt and Microsoft/apple toolkit's, which all have serious company funding. Certainly in light of MeeGo, and the uncertainty this brings for company paid development of Clutter.
<p>
All serious desktop OS competitors clearly steer the GUI toolkit development. Just providing some GTK themes will not suffice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How will Ubuntu support the Gtk toolkit development , so as not to become irrelevant as opposed to Qt and Microsoft/apple toolkit 's , which all have serious company funding .
Certainly in light of MeeGo , and the uncertainty this brings for company paid development of Clutter .
All serious desktop OS competitors clearly steer the GUI toolkit development .
Just providing some GTK themes will not suffice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How will Ubuntu support the Gtk toolkit development, so as not to become irrelevant as opposed to Qt and Microsoft/apple toolkit's, which all have serious company funding.
Certainly in light of MeeGo, and the uncertainty this brings for company paid development of Clutter.
All serious desktop OS competitors clearly steer the GUI toolkit development.
Just providing some GTK themes will not suffice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160962</id>
	<title>Continue standard six month releases?</title>
	<author>Enderandrew</author>
	<datestamp>1266318300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The last few Ubuntu releases have been plagued with bugs on release. Do you support steady releases every six months, and what can Ubuntu to do improve from a quality perspective?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The last few Ubuntu releases have been plagued with bugs on release .
Do you support steady releases every six months , and what can Ubuntu to do improve from a quality perspective ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The last few Ubuntu releases have been plagued with bugs on release.
Do you support steady releases every six months, and what can Ubuntu to do improve from a quality perspective?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1944235.31160530</id>
	<title>Adoption Stories and Influences</title>
	<author>eldavojohn</author>
	<datestamp>1266316260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Every so often I see <a href="http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/12/0257212" title="slashdot.org">an adoption story about so and so taking up some open source solution</a> [slashdot.org] and sometimes I think "Wow, French government?  Now it's <b>really</b> going to take off.  This is it.  It's time."  And then I wait.  And wait.  <br> <br>

Are these stories at all positive for the project?  I mean, you would think with states and governments using Ubuntu or Red Hat that it would catch on like wildfire if the savings are there so why isn't that happening?  I know Microsoft sends out a lot of Wormtongues to stick in the ears of important people, do you plan on targeting governments in a similar manner?  Does/will Canonical work on making a presence in things like the EU Commissions where we've seen corporations collecting members in their pockets?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Every so often I see an adoption story about so and so taking up some open source solution [ slashdot.org ] and sometimes I think " Wow , French government ?
Now it 's really going to take off .
This is it .
It 's time .
" And then I wait .
And wait .
Are these stories at all positive for the project ?
I mean , you would think with states and governments using Ubuntu or Red Hat that it would catch on like wildfire if the savings are there so why is n't that happening ?
I know Microsoft sends out a lot of Wormtongues to stick in the ears of important people , do you plan on targeting governments in a similar manner ?
Does/will Canonical work on making a presence in things like the EU Commissions where we 've seen corporations collecting members in their pockets ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every so often I see an adoption story about so and so taking up some open source solution [slashdot.org] and sometimes I think "Wow, French government?
Now it's really going to take off.
This is it.
It's time.
"  And then I wait.
And wait.
Are these stories at all positive for the project?
I mean, you would think with states and governments using Ubuntu or Red Hat that it would catch on like wildfire if the savings are there so why isn't that happening?
I know Microsoft sends out a lot of Wormtongues to stick in the ears of important people, do you plan on targeting governments in a similar manner?
Does/will Canonical work on making a presence in things like the EU Commissions where we've seen corporations collecting members in their pockets?</sentencetext>
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