<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_16_0230255</id>
	<title>Tour de France Champion Accused of Hacking</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1266325980000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>ub3r n3u7r4l1st writes <i>"A French judge has issued a national arrest warrant for US cyclist Floyd Landis in connection with a <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gdMdXloFacwnjG08Qim6iH4GFX-gD9DSV3KG0">case of data hacking at a doping laboratory</a>, a prosecutor's office said. French judge Thomas Cassuto is seeking to question Landis about computer hacking dating back to September 2006 at the Chatenay-Malabry lab, said Astrid Granoux, spokeswoman for Nanterre's prosecutor's office. The laboratory near Paris had uncovered abnormally elevated testosterone levels in Landis' samples collected in the run-up to his 2006 Tour de France victory, leading to the eventual loss of his medal."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>ub3r n3u7r4l1st writes " A French judge has issued a national arrest warrant for US cyclist Floyd Landis in connection with a case of data hacking at a doping laboratory , a prosecutor 's office said .
French judge Thomas Cassuto is seeking to question Landis about computer hacking dating back to September 2006 at the Chatenay-Malabry lab , said Astrid Granoux , spokeswoman for Nanterre 's prosecutor 's office .
The laboratory near Paris had uncovered abnormally elevated testosterone levels in Landis ' samples collected in the run-up to his 2006 Tour de France victory , leading to the eventual loss of his medal .
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<sentencetext>ub3r n3u7r4l1st writes "A French judge has issued a national arrest warrant for US cyclist Floyd Landis in connection with a case of data hacking at a doping laboratory, a prosecutor's office said.
French judge Thomas Cassuto is seeking to question Landis about computer hacking dating back to September 2006 at the Chatenay-Malabry lab, said Astrid Granoux, spokeswoman for Nanterre's prosecutor's office.
The laboratory near Paris had uncovered abnormally elevated testosterone levels in Landis' samples collected in the run-up to his 2006 Tour de France victory, leading to the eventual loss of his medal.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31161512</id>
	<title>Re:What a concept!</title>
	<author>nlindstrom</author>
	<datestamp>1266320760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>oh god, talk about reasons to drink. The worst is when you check the console before bed and see it crapped out and died on the 2nd package of 400. rage!</p></div><p>What are you talking about?  Real Gentoo users <em>never</em> sleep!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>oh god , talk about reasons to drink .
The worst is when you check the console before bed and see it crapped out and died on the 2nd package of 400. rage ! What are you talking about ?
Real Gentoo users never sleep !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>oh god, talk about reasons to drink.
The worst is when you check the console before bed and see it crapped out and died on the 2nd package of 400. rage!What are you talking about?
Real Gentoo users never sleep!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31164494</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>asv108</author>
	<datestamp>1266339360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The test that Landis "failed" was suspect at best, and administered by a lab that has been proven to be run in incompetent manner.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The test that Landis " failed " was suspect at best , and administered by a lab that has been proven to be run in incompetent manner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The test that Landis "failed" was suspect at best, and administered by a lab that has been proven to be run in incompetent manner.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31157692</id>
	<title>Competitor's reactions</title>
	<author>GameboyRMH</author>
	<datestamp>1266347280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many Tour de France competitors, upon hearing the news, immediately blasted Landis with accusations of "ZOMG HAX!!!11" and "ROID WHORE!!!!11"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many Tour de France competitors , upon hearing the news , immediately blasted Landis with accusations of " ZOMG HAX ! !
! 11 " and " ROID WHORE ! ! !
! 11 "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many Tour de France competitors, upon hearing the news, immediately blasted Landis with accusations of "ZOMG HAX!!
!11" and "ROID WHORE!!!
!11"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154510</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>gilly\_gize</author>
	<datestamp>1266331860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone who grew up in Floyd Landis' hometown...German Mennonites are not really comparable to Amish when it comes to the use of computers and even some of the Amish themselves have fine computer skills (using them at the library, just not at their home).  Landis' could very well have had the same level of exposure to a computer as a child as any other American his age.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who grew up in Floyd Landis ' hometown...German Mennonites are not really comparable to Amish when it comes to the use of computers and even some of the Amish themselves have fine computer skills ( using them at the library , just not at their home ) .
Landis ' could very well have had the same level of exposure to a computer as a child as any other American his age .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who grew up in Floyd Landis' hometown...German Mennonites are not really comparable to Amish when it comes to the use of computers and even some of the Amish themselves have fine computer skills (using them at the library, just not at their home).
Landis' could very well have had the same level of exposure to a computer as a child as any other American his age.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154660</id>
	<title>Re:Warrant only applies to France</title>
	<author>bahbar</author>
	<datestamp>1266332880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm French, and I'm baffled. How can this kind of comment make it to Insightful ? In case you're not aware, the French have no cyclists to be proud of. None. Why we would kill an American's career to facilitate the win of a Spanish, Netherlander, another American, a British, another Netherlander, a German, an Italian... shall I go on ?

Oh... right, because we're proud.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm French , and I 'm baffled .
How can this kind of comment make it to Insightful ?
In case you 're not aware , the French have no cyclists to be proud of .
None. Why we would kill an American 's career to facilitate the win of a Spanish , Netherlander , another American , a British , another Netherlander , a German , an Italian... shall I go on ?
Oh... right , because we 're proud .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm French, and I'm baffled.
How can this kind of comment make it to Insightful ?
In case you're not aware, the French have no cyclists to be proud of.
None. Why we would kill an American's career to facilitate the win of a Spanish, Netherlander, another American, a British, another Netherlander, a German, an Italian... shall I go on ?
Oh... right, because we're proud.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154434</id>
	<title>Hackers on sterioids!</title>
	<author>martinux</author>
	<datestamp>1266331140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Has he just uncovered himself as a member of Anonymous?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Has he just uncovered himself as a member of Anonymous ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has he just uncovered himself as a member of Anonymous?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31160534</id>
	<title>TDF</title>
	<author>MrKaos</author>
	<datestamp>1266316320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's always the way with the Tour de France - Win Sunday, in hiding Monday, in shame Tuesday. </p><p>
It's a waste of time to watch this race.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's always the way with the Tour de France - Win Sunday , in hiding Monday , in shame Tuesday .
It 's a waste of time to watch this race .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's always the way with the Tour de France - Win Sunday, in hiding Monday, in shame Tuesday.
It's a waste of time to watch this race.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155946</id>
	<title>Re:Hacking cyclists?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266340380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Everyone knows professional cyclists are even dumber than professional soccer players."</p><p>Citation Needed</p><p>Seriously, how did that get modded insightful?</p><p>I guess I'm just new around here.</p><p>also:<br>http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/46913/how\_soccer\_head\_butting\_can\_lead\_to.html?cat=14</p><p>Disclaimer: I am not a fan of professional cycling.</p><p>Cheers!</p><p>Your friendly neighborhood  AC</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Everyone knows professional cyclists are even dumber than professional soccer players .
" Citation NeededSeriously , how did that get modded insightful ? I guess I 'm just new around here.also : http : //www.associatedcontent.com/article/46913/how \ _soccer \ _head \ _butting \ _can \ _lead \ _to.html ? cat = 14Disclaimer : I am not a fan of professional cycling.Cheers ! Your friendly neighborhood AC</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Everyone knows professional cyclists are even dumber than professional soccer players.
"Citation NeededSeriously, how did that get modded insightful?I guess I'm just new around here.also:http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/46913/how\_soccer\_head\_butting\_can\_lead\_to.html?cat=14Disclaimer: I am not a fan of professional cycling.Cheers!Your friendly neighborhood  AC</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155150</id>
	<title>Re:Landis is not the "Tour de France Champion"</title>
	<author>PeanutButterBreath</author>
	<datestamp>1266335940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>He's not a TdF champion, he's a cheat who had his medal withdrawn. </p></div><p>I don't think the prize for winning the TDF is a medal.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's not a TdF champion , he 's a cheat who had his medal withdrawn .
I do n't think the prize for winning the TDF is a medal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's not a TdF champion, he's a cheat who had his medal withdrawn.
I don't think the prize for winning the TDF is a medal.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154342</id>
	<title>Warrant only applies to France</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266330240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The warrant only applies to France. They are not seeking extradition. I do not know if Landis was actually guilty or not, but given the suspicious behavior of the lab and the French authorities during the initial doping case, it sounds to me like they simply want to prevent him from cycling in France ever again.</p><p>If the way he was riding last year in any indication, he would not be a contender for even a stage win in the TdF, but there is concern that he could take 20th overall, knocking the highest placing Frenchman to 21st.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The warrant only applies to France .
They are not seeking extradition .
I do not know if Landis was actually guilty or not , but given the suspicious behavior of the lab and the French authorities during the initial doping case , it sounds to me like they simply want to prevent him from cycling in France ever again.If the way he was riding last year in any indication , he would not be a contender for even a stage win in the TdF , but there is concern that he could take 20th overall , knocking the highest placing Frenchman to 21st .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The warrant only applies to France.
They are not seeking extradition.
I do not know if Landis was actually guilty or not, but given the suspicious behavior of the lab and the French authorities during the initial doping case, it sounds to me like they simply want to prevent him from cycling in France ever again.If the way he was riding last year in any indication, he would not be a contender for even a stage win in the TdF, but there is concern that he could take 20th overall, knocking the highest placing Frenchman to 21st.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154288</id>
	<title>Hackers on Steroids</title>
	<author>Arancaytar</author>
	<datestamp>1266329640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FINALLY that phrase makes some kind of sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FINALLY that phrase makes some kind of sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FINALLY that phrase makes some kind of sense.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154898</id>
	<title>Re:Warrant only applies to France</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1266334500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A ex-coworker of mine was in the second french cycling league.<br>He was very close to getting into the first league. So he informed himself. And the rules are:<br>1. Learn how to touch the wheel of the one in front of you in a way that makes him fall down, or at least slower.<br>2. Use doping. Period. Or else you won&rsquo;t get in the first league.</p><p>There is a system against doping. This is how it is supposed to work:<br>Doctors from the competing teams do the doping tests on you. Because they have the greatest interest in fucking up your team.</p><p>This is how it actually works:<br>The doctors are the one administering the doping. And everyone does it. So if anyone would tell the truth, his own team would be dead in the blink of an eye. Which means nobody really tests anything. It&rsquo;s the concept of mutually assured destruction.</p><p>Now you may realize, that every &ldquo;doping scandal&rdquo; only was someone falling from grace. (Which can end in a large flame-war, like when pretty much every team suddenly gets &ldquo;caught&rdquo;.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A ex-coworker of mine was in the second french cycling league.He was very close to getting into the first league .
So he informed himself .
And the rules are : 1 .
Learn how to touch the wheel of the one in front of you in a way that makes him fall down , or at least slower.2 .
Use doping .
Period. Or else you won    t get in the first league.There is a system against doping .
This is how it is supposed to work : Doctors from the competing teams do the doping tests on you .
Because they have the greatest interest in fucking up your team.This is how it actually works : The doctors are the one administering the doping .
And everyone does it .
So if anyone would tell the truth , his own team would be dead in the blink of an eye .
Which means nobody really tests anything .
It    s the concept of mutually assured destruction.Now you may realize , that every    doping scandal    only was someone falling from grace .
( Which can end in a large flame-war , like when pretty much every team suddenly gets    caught    .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A ex-coworker of mine was in the second french cycling league.He was very close to getting into the first league.
So he informed himself.
And the rules are:1.
Learn how to touch the wheel of the one in front of you in a way that makes him fall down, or at least slower.2.
Use doping.
Period. Or else you won’t get in the first league.There is a system against doping.
This is how it is supposed to work:Doctors from the competing teams do the doping tests on you.
Because they have the greatest interest in fucking up your team.This is how it actually works:The doctors are the one administering the doping.
And everyone does it.
So if anyone would tell the truth, his own team would be dead in the blink of an eye.
Which means nobody really tests anything.
It’s the concept of mutually assured destruction.Now you may realize, that every “doping scandal” only was someone falling from grace.
(Which can end in a large flame-war, like when pretty much every team suddenly gets “caught”.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31157866</id>
	<title>Re:Seeking to question, so make an arrest?</title>
	<author>Zoxed</author>
	<datestamp>1266348000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; In the U.S. you don't issue an arrest warrant simply to question someone, do you</p><p>My first guess would be that something was lost in the translation.</p><p>Secondly any translation is made more difficult by the French having an investigation oriented legal system and not an (Anglo-Saxon ?) adversarial system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; In the U.S. you do n't issue an arrest warrant simply to question someone , do youMy first guess would be that something was lost in the translation.Secondly any translation is made more difficult by the French having an investigation oriented legal system and not an ( Anglo-Saxon ?
) adversarial system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; In the U.S. you don't issue an arrest warrant simply to question someone, do youMy first guess would be that something was lost in the translation.Secondly any translation is made more difficult by the French having an investigation oriented legal system and not an (Anglo-Saxon ?
) adversarial system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31156112</id>
	<title>The image this brings to mind!</title>
	<author>Tired and Emotional</author>
	<datestamp>1266341340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can't help imagining a bunch of Gendarmes rushing out of the station and hopping on their pushbikes with hopeful looks on their faces.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't help imagining a bunch of Gendarmes rushing out of the station and hopping on their pushbikes with hopeful looks on their faces .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't help imagining a bunch of Gendarmes rushing out of the station and hopping on their pushbikes with hopeful looks on their faces.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155320</id>
	<title>I Thank you for your time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266336840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>SLING you 3an chronic abuse of 1mplementation to that *BSD is</htmltext>
<tokenext>SLING you 3an chronic abuse of 1mplementation to that * BSD is</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SLING you 3an chronic abuse of 1mplementation to that *BSD is</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154462</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1266331380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The skills needed are to find someone who has the required computer skills and offer them something in exchange for doing a task.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The skills needed are to find someone who has the required computer skills and offer them something in exchange for doing a task .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The skills needed are to find someone who has the required computer skills and offer them something in exchange for doing a task.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155280</id>
	<title>Otherwise, you will not pick up any girls</title>
	<author>ub3r n3u7r4l1st</author>
	<datestamp>1266336660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is the reason geeks drives girls out of CS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the reason geeks drives girls out of CS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the reason geeks drives girls out of CS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154476</id>
	<title>Re:Champion?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266331500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The official decision was to strip him of his title. I just don't understand why. Perhaps someone can clarify. He had daily tests. One day he is clean. The next day he crashed, had a surge of adrenaline and made up tons of ground after the crash. His testosterone was exceptionally high the day of the crash. It was normal again the next day. No drugs were found in his system.</p><p>So his crime was having exceptionally high testosterone for one day after a natural massive adrenaline surge.</p><p>I admit I'm biased in not trusting Tour de France officials after they repeatedly let in tons of known cheaters who have failed all kinds of doping tests (so long as they are European) and then go on crusades to try and discredit Lance Armstrong. So when they went after Floyd Landis with what appears to be very little proof, I tend to assume this is part of their crusade.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The official decision was to strip him of his title .
I just do n't understand why .
Perhaps someone can clarify .
He had daily tests .
One day he is clean .
The next day he crashed , had a surge of adrenaline and made up tons of ground after the crash .
His testosterone was exceptionally high the day of the crash .
It was normal again the next day .
No drugs were found in his system.So his crime was having exceptionally high testosterone for one day after a natural massive adrenaline surge.I admit I 'm biased in not trusting Tour de France officials after they repeatedly let in tons of known cheaters who have failed all kinds of doping tests ( so long as they are European ) and then go on crusades to try and discredit Lance Armstrong .
So when they went after Floyd Landis with what appears to be very little proof , I tend to assume this is part of their crusade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The official decision was to strip him of his title.
I just don't understand why.
Perhaps someone can clarify.
He had daily tests.
One day he is clean.
The next day he crashed, had a surge of adrenaline and made up tons of ground after the crash.
His testosterone was exceptionally high the day of the crash.
It was normal again the next day.
No drugs were found in his system.So his crime was having exceptionally high testosterone for one day after a natural massive adrenaline surge.I admit I'm biased in not trusting Tour de France officials after they repeatedly let in tons of known cheaters who have failed all kinds of doping tests (so long as they are European) and then go on crusades to try and discredit Lance Armstrong.
So when they went after Floyd Landis with what appears to be very little proof, I tend to assume this is part of their crusade.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31159018</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>GSloop</author>
	<datestamp>1266352440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought I'd reply to this...</p><p>I'm not sure I'd agree with the "guilt" portion.</p><p>In short, the lab totally screwed up a (comparatively) very simple test that "showed" guilt.</p><p>In the course of the case, it was clear they had totally botched that simple test.</p><p>A much more technically difficult test using mass spectroscopy was a follow-up to the original test. The software on the MS machine was out of date and not certified for use in that configuration etc.</p><p>The prosecution wants us to believe that even though the lab couldn't get a simple test right, the exceedingly more complex task was, and that we should rely on that test to hold Landis guilty.</p><p>There are numerous other technical/procedural issues raised that also cause me great pause. [For example, a minor screw-up - taking a vitamin supplement that is tainted [but taken without malice] is enough to get you banned without recourse. However, if the lab screws up procedures and labeling and there is no penalty.]</p><p>So, while he did "fail a doping test" - I'm not sure I think the test was valid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought I 'd reply to this...I 'm not sure I 'd agree with the " guilt " portion.In short , the lab totally screwed up a ( comparatively ) very simple test that " showed " guilt.In the course of the case , it was clear they had totally botched that simple test.A much more technically difficult test using mass spectroscopy was a follow-up to the original test .
The software on the MS machine was out of date and not certified for use in that configuration etc.The prosecution wants us to believe that even though the lab could n't get a simple test right , the exceedingly more complex task was , and that we should rely on that test to hold Landis guilty.There are numerous other technical/procedural issues raised that also cause me great pause .
[ For example , a minor screw-up - taking a vitamin supplement that is tainted [ but taken without malice ] is enough to get you banned without recourse .
However , if the lab screws up procedures and labeling and there is no penalty .
] So , while he did " fail a doping test " - I 'm not sure I think the test was valid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought I'd reply to this...I'm not sure I'd agree with the "guilt" portion.In short, the lab totally screwed up a (comparatively) very simple test that "showed" guilt.In the course of the case, it was clear they had totally botched that simple test.A much more technically difficult test using mass spectroscopy was a follow-up to the original test.
The software on the MS machine was out of date and not certified for use in that configuration etc.The prosecution wants us to believe that even though the lab couldn't get a simple test right, the exceedingly more complex task was, and that we should rely on that test to hold Landis guilty.There are numerous other technical/procedural issues raised that also cause me great pause.
[For example, a minor screw-up - taking a vitamin supplement that is tainted [but taken without malice] is enough to get you banned without recourse.
However, if the lab screws up procedures and labeling and there is no penalty.
]So, while he did "fail a doping test" - I'm not sure I think the test was valid.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155916</id>
	<title>Only so many places to race</title>
	<author>MarkvW</author>
	<datestamp>1266340320000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Floyd's got to think twice before visiting France again.  Maybe the French would prefer he stay at home this racing season.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Floyd 's got to think twice before visiting France again .
Maybe the French would prefer he stay at home this racing season .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Floyd's got to think twice before visiting France again.
Maybe the French would prefer he stay at home this racing season.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154676</id>
	<title>Asperger's Syndrome</title>
	<author>Ziggy2k8</author>
	<datestamp>1266332940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Doesn't he suffer from Asperger's Syndrome? We need to keep him in the US so he doesn't harm himself if he gets extradited.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't he suffer from Asperger 's Syndrome ?
We need to keep him in the US so he does n't harm himself if he gets extradited .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't he suffer from Asperger's Syndrome?
We need to keep him in the US so he doesn't harm himself if he gets extradited.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31156102</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266341280000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>He grew up not too far from where I lived and I grew up in a Mennonite Church too.  There are many different groups/types of Mennonites from the conservatives, who would most resemble the Amish to most people, and the more liberal, who you could confuse with the other people working in your office.  I'm not sure where the Landis family fell in this range, but I grew up reading the DOS manual at the dinner table while I was eating with family, and was the the one to crack open the case of our IBM PS2 to install the additional RAM and aftermarket hard drive my Dad had to buy for us.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He grew up not too far from where I lived and I grew up in a Mennonite Church too .
There are many different groups/types of Mennonites from the conservatives , who would most resemble the Amish to most people , and the more liberal , who you could confuse with the other people working in your office .
I 'm not sure where the Landis family fell in this range , but I grew up reading the DOS manual at the dinner table while I was eating with family , and was the the one to crack open the case of our IBM PS2 to install the additional RAM and aftermarket hard drive my Dad had to buy for us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He grew up not too far from where I lived and I grew up in a Mennonite Church too.
There are many different groups/types of Mennonites from the conservatives, who would most resemble the Amish to most people, and the more liberal, who you could confuse with the other people working in your office.
I'm not sure where the Landis family fell in this range, but I grew up reading the DOS manual at the dinner table while I was eating with family, and was the the one to crack open the case of our IBM PS2 to install the additional RAM and aftermarket hard drive my Dad had to buy for us.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155024</id>
	<title>Re:Champion?</title>
	<author>sluke</author>
	<datestamp>1266335340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think this is entirely accurate.  From what I can recall, the case against Landis was from two tests.  The first showed that his T/E ratio was well outside the normal ratio for humans.  Note that this is different from having elevated testosterone, in fact I believe his testosterone was actually lower than normal.  It was just that his epiesterone was WAY lower than normal (these are normally about equal, his ratio was 12/1).  As far as I remember this test was somewhat discredited due to shoddy procedures at the lab.  The one that stuck was an isotope test which showed that the testosterone in his sample had a different isotope ratio than is found in humans.  From this they concluded that it was synthetic and thus upheld the ban.  I don't claim to entirely agree with all of their methods or even the results of the test, but I really don't think it's fair to say that he crashed, had a surge of adrenaline and subsequently tested positive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think this is entirely accurate .
From what I can recall , the case against Landis was from two tests .
The first showed that his T/E ratio was well outside the normal ratio for humans .
Note that this is different from having elevated testosterone , in fact I believe his testosterone was actually lower than normal .
It was just that his epiesterone was WAY lower than normal ( these are normally about equal , his ratio was 12/1 ) .
As far as I remember this test was somewhat discredited due to shoddy procedures at the lab .
The one that stuck was an isotope test which showed that the testosterone in his sample had a different isotope ratio than is found in humans .
From this they concluded that it was synthetic and thus upheld the ban .
I do n't claim to entirely agree with all of their methods or even the results of the test , but I really do n't think it 's fair to say that he crashed , had a surge of adrenaline and subsequently tested positive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think this is entirely accurate.
From what I can recall, the case against Landis was from two tests.
The first showed that his T/E ratio was well outside the normal ratio for humans.
Note that this is different from having elevated testosterone, in fact I believe his testosterone was actually lower than normal.
It was just that his epiesterone was WAY lower than normal (these are normally about equal, his ratio was 12/1).
As far as I remember this test was somewhat discredited due to shoddy procedures at the lab.
The one that stuck was an isotope test which showed that the testosterone in his sample had a different isotope ratio than is found in humans.
From this they concluded that it was synthetic and thus upheld the ban.
I don't claim to entirely agree with all of their methods or even the results of the test, but I really don't think it's fair to say that he crashed, had a surge of adrenaline and subsequently tested positive.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154550</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266332280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Come on, noone is suggesting he did it himself. According to the press, he was accused after his lawyer presented documents in his case that he did not obtain through official channels. It seems more likely to me (as a complete outsider) that they bribed someone who had access.</p><p>The usual accusations of anti Americanism are getting very tiresome. Every year, several riders are kicked out of the race and stripped of any stage victories after failing a doping test. <b>Landis failed a doping test.</b> This was just the first time it happened to the #1 after the finish at the champs elysees. Noone gets to appeal this decision in court. Every rider who performs exceptionally has always been suspected or accused of doping in the media, not just Armstrong. It's just that American sports fans aren't interested in cycling, just in Lance Armstrong.</p><p>Previous tour winners Pantani, Ulrich, Riis, Indurain etc were all accused in the media of taking dope - some of them were caught - all the way back to the days of Anquetil who sort of openly used doping before it was banned.  I don't remember American 3 time tour winner Greg LeMond being accused of doping, but I'm sure he was.</p><p>The Floyd Landis case is considered particularily insulting, because the winner failing a drug test smeared the reputation of the tour even further. He never apologised and now 2 years later he still hasn't accepted guilt and is still appealing that decision. With his 2 year ban expired, he was planning to compete in this year's race. It looks like some people in France <i>really</i> wish he didn't.</p><p>Now the question whether this treatment professional cyclists get is fair is another matter. The doping tests are a huge invasion of privacy, and upon failing a test the athlete is presumed guilty and expelled immediately, facing long time bans with very little legal recourse. False positives and sabotage cannot be ruled out, and if doping cases were judged in a court of law, few athletes would be found guilty beyond reasonable doubt. It just doesn't normally get this far. After a failed dope test, they usually go 'Ok, I'm guilty. I'm so sorry, I'll never do it again, I'm totally anti-doping from now on'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Come on , noone is suggesting he did it himself .
According to the press , he was accused after his lawyer presented documents in his case that he did not obtain through official channels .
It seems more likely to me ( as a complete outsider ) that they bribed someone who had access.The usual accusations of anti Americanism are getting very tiresome .
Every year , several riders are kicked out of the race and stripped of any stage victories after failing a doping test .
Landis failed a doping test .
This was just the first time it happened to the # 1 after the finish at the champs elysees .
Noone gets to appeal this decision in court .
Every rider who performs exceptionally has always been suspected or accused of doping in the media , not just Armstrong .
It 's just that American sports fans are n't interested in cycling , just in Lance Armstrong.Previous tour winners Pantani , Ulrich , Riis , Indurain etc were all accused in the media of taking dope - some of them were caught - all the way back to the days of Anquetil who sort of openly used doping before it was banned .
I do n't remember American 3 time tour winner Greg LeMond being accused of doping , but I 'm sure he was.The Floyd Landis case is considered particularily insulting , because the winner failing a drug test smeared the reputation of the tour even further .
He never apologised and now 2 years later he still has n't accepted guilt and is still appealing that decision .
With his 2 year ban expired , he was planning to compete in this year 's race .
It looks like some people in France really wish he did n't.Now the question whether this treatment professional cyclists get is fair is another matter .
The doping tests are a huge invasion of privacy , and upon failing a test the athlete is presumed guilty and expelled immediately , facing long time bans with very little legal recourse .
False positives and sabotage can not be ruled out , and if doping cases were judged in a court of law , few athletes would be found guilty beyond reasonable doubt .
It just does n't normally get this far .
After a failed dope test , they usually go 'Ok , I 'm guilty .
I 'm so sorry , I 'll never do it again , I 'm totally anti-doping from now on'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come on, noone is suggesting he did it himself.
According to the press, he was accused after his lawyer presented documents in his case that he did not obtain through official channels.
It seems more likely to me (as a complete outsider) that they bribed someone who had access.The usual accusations of anti Americanism are getting very tiresome.
Every year, several riders are kicked out of the race and stripped of any stage victories after failing a doping test.
Landis failed a doping test.
This was just the first time it happened to the #1 after the finish at the champs elysees.
Noone gets to appeal this decision in court.
Every rider who performs exceptionally has always been suspected or accused of doping in the media, not just Armstrong.
It's just that American sports fans aren't interested in cycling, just in Lance Armstrong.Previous tour winners Pantani, Ulrich, Riis, Indurain etc were all accused in the media of taking dope - some of them were caught - all the way back to the days of Anquetil who sort of openly used doping before it was banned.
I don't remember American 3 time tour winner Greg LeMond being accused of doping, but I'm sure he was.The Floyd Landis case is considered particularily insulting, because the winner failing a drug test smeared the reputation of the tour even further.
He never apologised and now 2 years later he still hasn't accepted guilt and is still appealing that decision.
With his 2 year ban expired, he was planning to compete in this year's race.
It looks like some people in France really wish he didn't.Now the question whether this treatment professional cyclists get is fair is another matter.
The doping tests are a huge invasion of privacy, and upon failing a test the athlete is presumed guilty and expelled immediately, facing long time bans with very little legal recourse.
False positives and sabotage cannot be ruled out, and if doping cases were judged in a court of law, few athletes would be found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
It just doesn't normally get this far.
After a failed dope test, they usually go 'Ok, I'm guilty.
I'm so sorry, I'll never do it again, I'm totally anti-doping from now on'</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155182</id>
	<title>Re:Champion?</title>
	<author>digit1001</author>
	<datestamp>1266336120000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think the issue was he had amounts that would be nearly humanly impossible to produce.

He was ahead, but totally fell apart, "losing any chance of victory" according to the announcers, then the next day he blew everyone away by such a margin he re-gained the lead. It was awesome to watch and heartbreaking to learn it may have been tainted. The part I've never understood is why steroids? I'm a cyclist and have issues with my tailbone. I'm going this Friday to get a steroid injection between two of the bones, and was told, "there will be little effect for at least 2 days".

So... if it's not an immediate benefit, why would Landis use THAT drug to cheat. I would think EPO or other performance drugs would have been a better choice. That's the argument I'm surprised no one else picked up on. I'm sure steroids would be of benefit for building muscle or recovery, but I'd think they'd have been used earlier in the race or before and would have turned up then. These were some of the last stages of the tour, after they'd ridden about 2000 miles and had maybe 3 days left to race. Doesn't seem like the optimal time to use.

I'm no doctor though, so maybe I missed something in the biology/physiology involved.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the issue was he had amounts that would be nearly humanly impossible to produce .
He was ahead , but totally fell apart , " losing any chance of victory " according to the announcers , then the next day he blew everyone away by such a margin he re-gained the lead .
It was awesome to watch and heartbreaking to learn it may have been tainted .
The part I 've never understood is why steroids ?
I 'm a cyclist and have issues with my tailbone .
I 'm going this Friday to get a steroid injection between two of the bones , and was told , " there will be little effect for at least 2 days " .
So... if it 's not an immediate benefit , why would Landis use THAT drug to cheat .
I would think EPO or other performance drugs would have been a better choice .
That 's the argument I 'm surprised no one else picked up on .
I 'm sure steroids would be of benefit for building muscle or recovery , but I 'd think they 'd have been used earlier in the race or before and would have turned up then .
These were some of the last stages of the tour , after they 'd ridden about 2000 miles and had maybe 3 days left to race .
Does n't seem like the optimal time to use .
I 'm no doctor though , so maybe I missed something in the biology/physiology involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the issue was he had amounts that would be nearly humanly impossible to produce.
He was ahead, but totally fell apart, "losing any chance of victory" according to the announcers, then the next day he blew everyone away by such a margin he re-gained the lead.
It was awesome to watch and heartbreaking to learn it may have been tainted.
The part I've never understood is why steroids?
I'm a cyclist and have issues with my tailbone.
I'm going this Friday to get a steroid injection between two of the bones, and was told, "there will be little effect for at least 2 days".
So... if it's not an immediate benefit, why would Landis use THAT drug to cheat.
I would think EPO or other performance drugs would have been a better choice.
That's the argument I'm surprised no one else picked up on.
I'm sure steroids would be of benefit for building muscle or recovery, but I'd think they'd have been used earlier in the race or before and would have turned up then.
These were some of the last stages of the tour, after they'd ridden about 2000 miles and had maybe 3 days left to race.
Doesn't seem like the optimal time to use.
I'm no doctor though, so maybe I missed something in the biology/physiology involved.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154364</id>
	<title>He is accused of directing the "hacking", not</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266330480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>actually engaging in it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>actually engaging in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>actually engaging in it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31156368</id>
	<title>Re:Champion?</title>
	<author>mpapet</author>
	<datestamp>1266342660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>One day he is clean. The next day he crashed, had a surge of adrenaline and made up tons of ground after the crash.</i></p><p>Because the human body just doesn't work like this.  Stage racing cyclists have bad days.  But they don't follow it with **crushing** the field the next day in the middle of an extremely long stage race.  If he was that good, there would have been several days of crushing the field and a season full of crushing the field.  (Merckx, Antequil)</p><p>Adrenaline doesn't last more than a minute or two.  This is hours of breakout performance in a field *full* of riders at his skill level who could not simply ride away from the field in a stage with *massive* climbs.  His performance was very consistent with the profile of a performance enhancing drug user. (PED's)</p><p>If it was the case that Landis was gifted with Merckx/Antequil like engine, he would have returned to crushing fields in American races.  This didn't happen. Not even close. This is strong evidence he was using PED's.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One day he is clean .
The next day he crashed , had a surge of adrenaline and made up tons of ground after the crash.Because the human body just does n't work like this .
Stage racing cyclists have bad days .
But they do n't follow it with * * crushing * * the field the next day in the middle of an extremely long stage race .
If he was that good , there would have been several days of crushing the field and a season full of crushing the field .
( Merckx , Antequil ) Adrenaline does n't last more than a minute or two .
This is hours of breakout performance in a field * full * of riders at his skill level who could not simply ride away from the field in a stage with * massive * climbs .
His performance was very consistent with the profile of a performance enhancing drug user .
( PED 's ) If it was the case that Landis was gifted with Merckx/Antequil like engine , he would have returned to crushing fields in American races .
This did n't happen .
Not even close .
This is strong evidence he was using PED 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One day he is clean.
The next day he crashed, had a surge of adrenaline and made up tons of ground after the crash.Because the human body just doesn't work like this.
Stage racing cyclists have bad days.
But they don't follow it with **crushing** the field the next day in the middle of an extremely long stage race.
If he was that good, there would have been several days of crushing the field and a season full of crushing the field.
(Merckx, Antequil)Adrenaline doesn't last more than a minute or two.
This is hours of breakout performance in a field *full* of riders at his skill level who could not simply ride away from the field in a stage with *massive* climbs.
His performance was very consistent with the profile of a performance enhancing drug user.
(PED's)If it was the case that Landis was gifted with Merckx/Antequil like engine, he would have returned to crushing fields in American races.
This didn't happen.
Not even close.
This is strong evidence he was using PED's.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31158332</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>l0ungeb0y</author>
	<datestamp>1266349620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The usual accusations of anti Americanism are getting very tiresome<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... With his 2 year ban expired, he was planning to compete in this year's race. It looks like some people in France really wish he didn't."</p><p>Great way to make a point.</p><p>First you say everyone howling about the French being sour grape swilling soilsports is tiresome then turn around and state how these actions indicate the French don't want Landis competing. Which is tantamount to saying that the entire ordeal of the repeated Armstrong/Landis doping allegations, is indeed nothing more than underhanded trickery if not outright fraud by french nationalists.</p><p>Good job numbnut.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The usual accusations of anti Americanism are getting very tiresome ... With his 2 year ban expired , he was planning to compete in this year 's race .
It looks like some people in France really wish he did n't .
" Great way to make a point.First you say everyone howling about the French being sour grape swilling soilsports is tiresome then turn around and state how these actions indicate the French do n't want Landis competing .
Which is tantamount to saying that the entire ordeal of the repeated Armstrong/Landis doping allegations , is indeed nothing more than underhanded trickery if not outright fraud by french nationalists.Good job numbnut .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The usual accusations of anti Americanism are getting very tiresome ... With his 2 year ban expired, he was planning to compete in this year's race.
It looks like some people in France really wish he didn't.
"Great way to make a point.First you say everyone howling about the French being sour grape swilling soilsports is tiresome then turn around and state how these actions indicate the French don't want Landis competing.
Which is tantamount to saying that the entire ordeal of the repeated Armstrong/Landis doping allegations, is indeed nothing more than underhanded trickery if not outright fraud by french nationalists.Good job numbnut.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155682</id>
	<title>Re:Warrant only applies to France</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266338880000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Last time a frenchman won the tour de France was in 1985 - that's 25 years ago.</p></div><p>And, in 1986, Tour de France operations were taken over by the French Ministry of Defense.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Last time a frenchman won the tour de France was in 1985 - that 's 25 years ago.And , in 1986 , Tour de France operations were taken over by the French Ministry of Defense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last time a frenchman won the tour de France was in 1985 - that's 25 years ago.And, in 1986, Tour de France operations were taken over by the French Ministry of Defense.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31159156</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>curunir</author>
	<datestamp>1266353040000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>For what it's worth, Landis' failed doping test is, at least a little, controversial. The lab that analyzed it was the same one that dug up a B sample of Lance Armstrong that was over a decade old and claimed it tested positive. The ensuing investigation concluded that the lab's practices were woefully inadequate and recommended that they not be used again.</p><p>That they were used to test A samples from such a high-profile event is disgraceful. That they test the B samples as well when the A samples are positive is borderline criminal. Given the prevalence of doping in the sport, labs results are assumed by everyone to be correct, even when there are good reasons to question them. Because of that, the tour and other sports-testing programs owe it to the athletes to get the science part right. They need to hold labs to account and, when labs are found to have been sloppy, discontinue using those labs. And they need to send the A and B samples to different labs so that they can be tested independently. And they need to ensure that the results are not made public until both A and B samples have tested positive.</p><p>I'm not naive enough to think that Landis didn't do it. Just based on that performance at the time, I thought there was something fishy going on since he basically collapsed the day before and less than 24 hours later he was beating everyone by 15 minutes. But I have zero confidence in the labs results and even less confidence in this hacking charge. The fact that this lab is still used is indicative of an agenda on the part of the event to target certain riders. Both parties have an incentive to lie and are almost completely untrustworthy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For what it 's worth , Landis ' failed doping test is , at least a little , controversial .
The lab that analyzed it was the same one that dug up a B sample of Lance Armstrong that was over a decade old and claimed it tested positive .
The ensuing investigation concluded that the lab 's practices were woefully inadequate and recommended that they not be used again.That they were used to test A samples from such a high-profile event is disgraceful .
That they test the B samples as well when the A samples are positive is borderline criminal .
Given the prevalence of doping in the sport , labs results are assumed by everyone to be correct , even when there are good reasons to question them .
Because of that , the tour and other sports-testing programs owe it to the athletes to get the science part right .
They need to hold labs to account and , when labs are found to have been sloppy , discontinue using those labs .
And they need to send the A and B samples to different labs so that they can be tested independently .
And they need to ensure that the results are not made public until both A and B samples have tested positive.I 'm not naive enough to think that Landis did n't do it .
Just based on that performance at the time , I thought there was something fishy going on since he basically collapsed the day before and less than 24 hours later he was beating everyone by 15 minutes .
But I have zero confidence in the labs results and even less confidence in this hacking charge .
The fact that this lab is still used is indicative of an agenda on the part of the event to target certain riders .
Both parties have an incentive to lie and are almost completely untrustworthy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For what it's worth, Landis' failed doping test is, at least a little, controversial.
The lab that analyzed it was the same one that dug up a B sample of Lance Armstrong that was over a decade old and claimed it tested positive.
The ensuing investigation concluded that the lab's practices were woefully inadequate and recommended that they not be used again.That they were used to test A samples from such a high-profile event is disgraceful.
That they test the B samples as well when the A samples are positive is borderline criminal.
Given the prevalence of doping in the sport, labs results are assumed by everyone to be correct, even when there are good reasons to question them.
Because of that, the tour and other sports-testing programs owe it to the athletes to get the science part right.
They need to hold labs to account and, when labs are found to have been sloppy, discontinue using those labs.
And they need to send the A and B samples to different labs so that they can be tested independently.
And they need to ensure that the results are not made public until both A and B samples have tested positive.I'm not naive enough to think that Landis didn't do it.
Just based on that performance at the time, I thought there was something fishy going on since he basically collapsed the day before and less than 24 hours later he was beating everyone by 15 minutes.
But I have zero confidence in the labs results and even less confidence in this hacking charge.
The fact that this lab is still used is indicative of an agenda on the part of the event to target certain riders.
Both parties have an incentive to lie and are almost completely untrustworthy.</sentencetext>
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	<title>At least it's consistent</title>
	<author>skabob</author>
	<datestamp>1266343680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I am not a doper, but the charge of using someone else's testosterone for one day only during the Tour would mean that the accused was perhaps the stupidest doper ever.  Testosterone is typically used weeks ahead of the event to build strength and endurance, but needs to be built up for a while before it kicks in.  Using this drug would not have caused Landis to run away from the field the next day (though I suppose it could have been a placebo effect).

Hiring hackers to mess with the French authorities is another colossally stupid move.  These things always come out eventually.

So at least it's consistent, the French think Floyd is stupid, and are able to prove it in court.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not a doper , but the charge of using someone else 's testosterone for one day only during the Tour would mean that the accused was perhaps the stupidest doper ever .
Testosterone is typically used weeks ahead of the event to build strength and endurance , but needs to be built up for a while before it kicks in .
Using this drug would not have caused Landis to run away from the field the next day ( though I suppose it could have been a placebo effect ) .
Hiring hackers to mess with the French authorities is another colossally stupid move .
These things always come out eventually .
So at least it 's consistent , the French think Floyd is stupid , and are able to prove it in court .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not a doper, but the charge of using someone else's testosterone for one day only during the Tour would mean that the accused was perhaps the stupidest doper ever.
Testosterone is typically used weeks ahead of the event to build strength and endurance, but needs to be built up for a while before it kicks in.
Using this drug would not have caused Landis to run away from the field the next day (though I suppose it could have been a placebo effect).
Hiring hackers to mess with the French authorities is another colossally stupid move.
These things always come out eventually.
So at least it's consistent, the French think Floyd is stupid, and are able to prove it in court.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Title inaccurate</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266333060000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The title is inaccurate, as Landis is not a Tour de France champion. What an athlete is stripped of a title, it means you shouldn't be using that title to describe the athlete any more. Logical, no?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The title is inaccurate , as Landis is not a Tour de France champion .
What an athlete is stripped of a title , it means you should n't be using that title to describe the athlete any more .
Logical , no ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The title is inaccurate, as Landis is not a Tour de France champion.
What an athlete is stripped of a title, it means you shouldn't be using that title to describe the athlete any more.
Logical, no?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266337140000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Let me be clear here--I live in Lancaster, PA, near where Landis grew up.  I think he's guilty, but it's still up to the French to conclusively show this.  They haven't.</p><p>"Landis failed a doping test."</p><p>Landis suppsedly failed doping tests, plural.  The initial first two results of which were thrown out due to abnormalities in lab handling.</p><p>What he was finally "convicted" of based on test results, he was never given the data of the test results to even review.</p><p>This is a very confusing case, partly because the details aren't reported clearly, and that there has been many steps and turns in the process.  But the French wanted Landis to give up, and he didn't, and they've grown tired of his defense, so they essentially had a closed court conviction, which doesn't sit well with Landis or many onlookers.</p><p>I should also point out, what Landis was taking, while clearly a performance enhancer, was not detected in earlier tests of him during the same TDF.  He started taking it DURING the TDF, in which the synthetic testosterone would have no play in his performance (testosterone is more a long term actor and a muscle builder, not short term); that's the other perplexing issue that's been raised but never explained, with most thinking it was maybe a pyschological or dare taking inducing edge, but it still makes little sense to start taking a longer term nont short term performance enhancer mid-race.  In turn, some think something was spiked.</p><p>"The usual accusations of anti Americanism are getting very tiresome."</p><p>Why, because you believe the French are doing this fairly or because you're lazy?  On ESPN, look at the commentary/conversations about this.  You have French and EU fans ragging about how they gave more donations per capita to Haiti, as a measure of them being better than the US, of all things.  While you may be tired about the anti-Americanism claims, it is and has been continuing to occur whether you like it or not. Bury your head in the sand if you wish, but to NOT think there is nationalistic focus and intent in this is insane.</p><p>When you have a French newspaper, owns the TDF, pulling old B samples, and testing them, without oversight, then slamming an American winner, without review, most would call that slander.  That's what they did to Armstrong.  Meanwhile, Bernard Hinault literally states he isn't drinking spring water, he's still celebrated as a national hero, not a cheater.  Still.  He presents awards at the TDF.  Still.  For those that don't know, Hinault is a 5 times French TDF winner who openly stated, when asked about steroid use at the TDF, something to the effect "Well, you don't win the Tour drinking spring water."  Where's the movement to strip his titles?</p><p>"Pantani, Ulrich, Riis, Indurain"</p><p>I know that Pantani and Ulrich were caught doping after their wins in other races, and they were not stripped of titles since it didn't occur DURING the TDF, yet they only tried that with Armstrong.</p><p>"I don't remember American 3 time tour winner Greg LeMond being accused of doping, but I'm sure he was."</p><p>LeMond had been currently going after Armstrong.  The strongest evidence against LeMond was circumstantial and not during any of his TDF years; it was during his couple of comebacks after his hunting accident.  He ripped ligaments repeatedly, and the whispers were that sort of damage was due to steroid use he was using to recover.</p><p>"The Floyd Landis case is considered particularily insulting, because the winner failing a drug test smeared the reputation of the tour even further. He never apologised and now 2 years later he still hasn't accepted guilt and is still appealing that decision. With his 2 year ban expired, he was planning to compete in this year's race. It looks like some people in France really wish he didn't."</p><p>"even further"--key words here--the TDF was already smeared with doping scandals, with teams and prior winners conclusively found to be doping.</p><p>Landis wasn't.  Partly because he didn't roll over.  Which the French foun</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me be clear here--I live in Lancaster , PA , near where Landis grew up .
I think he 's guilty , but it 's still up to the French to conclusively show this .
They have n't .
" Landis failed a doping test .
" Landis suppsedly failed doping tests , plural .
The initial first two results of which were thrown out due to abnormalities in lab handling.What he was finally " convicted " of based on test results , he was never given the data of the test results to even review.This is a very confusing case , partly because the details are n't reported clearly , and that there has been many steps and turns in the process .
But the French wanted Landis to give up , and he did n't , and they 've grown tired of his defense , so they essentially had a closed court conviction , which does n't sit well with Landis or many onlookers.I should also point out , what Landis was taking , while clearly a performance enhancer , was not detected in earlier tests of him during the same TDF .
He started taking it DURING the TDF , in which the synthetic testosterone would have no play in his performance ( testosterone is more a long term actor and a muscle builder , not short term ) ; that 's the other perplexing issue that 's been raised but never explained , with most thinking it was maybe a pyschological or dare taking inducing edge , but it still makes little sense to start taking a longer term nont short term performance enhancer mid-race .
In turn , some think something was spiked .
" The usual accusations of anti Americanism are getting very tiresome .
" Why , because you believe the French are doing this fairly or because you 're lazy ?
On ESPN , look at the commentary/conversations about this .
You have French and EU fans ragging about how they gave more donations per capita to Haiti , as a measure of them being better than the US , of all things .
While you may be tired about the anti-Americanism claims , it is and has been continuing to occur whether you like it or not .
Bury your head in the sand if you wish , but to NOT think there is nationalistic focus and intent in this is insane.When you have a French newspaper , owns the TDF , pulling old B samples , and testing them , without oversight , then slamming an American winner , without review , most would call that slander .
That 's what they did to Armstrong .
Meanwhile , Bernard Hinault literally states he is n't drinking spring water , he 's still celebrated as a national hero , not a cheater .
Still. He presents awards at the TDF .
Still. For those that do n't know , Hinault is a 5 times French TDF winner who openly stated , when asked about steroid use at the TDF , something to the effect " Well , you do n't win the Tour drinking spring water .
" Where 's the movement to strip his titles ?
" Pantani , Ulrich , Riis , Indurain " I know that Pantani and Ulrich were caught doping after their wins in other races , and they were not stripped of titles since it did n't occur DURING the TDF , yet they only tried that with Armstrong .
" I do n't remember American 3 time tour winner Greg LeMond being accused of doping , but I 'm sure he was .
" LeMond had been currently going after Armstrong .
The strongest evidence against LeMond was circumstantial and not during any of his TDF years ; it was during his couple of comebacks after his hunting accident .
He ripped ligaments repeatedly , and the whispers were that sort of damage was due to steroid use he was using to recover .
" The Floyd Landis case is considered particularily insulting , because the winner failing a drug test smeared the reputation of the tour even further .
He never apologised and now 2 years later he still has n't accepted guilt and is still appealing that decision .
With his 2 year ban expired , he was planning to compete in this year 's race .
It looks like some people in France really wish he did n't .
" " even further " --key words here--the TDF was already smeared with doping scandals , with teams and prior winners conclusively found to be doping.Landis was n't .
Partly because he did n't roll over .
Which the French foun</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me be clear here--I live in Lancaster, PA, near where Landis grew up.
I think he's guilty, but it's still up to the French to conclusively show this.
They haven't.
"Landis failed a doping test.
"Landis suppsedly failed doping tests, plural.
The initial first two results of which were thrown out due to abnormalities in lab handling.What he was finally "convicted" of based on test results, he was never given the data of the test results to even review.This is a very confusing case, partly because the details aren't reported clearly, and that there has been many steps and turns in the process.
But the French wanted Landis to give up, and he didn't, and they've grown tired of his defense, so they essentially had a closed court conviction, which doesn't sit well with Landis or many onlookers.I should also point out, what Landis was taking, while clearly a performance enhancer, was not detected in earlier tests of him during the same TDF.
He started taking it DURING the TDF, in which the synthetic testosterone would have no play in his performance (testosterone is more a long term actor and a muscle builder, not short term); that's the other perplexing issue that's been raised but never explained, with most thinking it was maybe a pyschological or dare taking inducing edge, but it still makes little sense to start taking a longer term nont short term performance enhancer mid-race.
In turn, some think something was spiked.
"The usual accusations of anti Americanism are getting very tiresome.
"Why, because you believe the French are doing this fairly or because you're lazy?
On ESPN, look at the commentary/conversations about this.
You have French and EU fans ragging about how they gave more donations per capita to Haiti, as a measure of them being better than the US, of all things.
While you may be tired about the anti-Americanism claims, it is and has been continuing to occur whether you like it or not.
Bury your head in the sand if you wish, but to NOT think there is nationalistic focus and intent in this is insane.When you have a French newspaper, owns the TDF, pulling old B samples, and testing them, without oversight, then slamming an American winner, without review, most would call that slander.
That's what they did to Armstrong.
Meanwhile, Bernard Hinault literally states he isn't drinking spring water, he's still celebrated as a national hero, not a cheater.
Still.  He presents awards at the TDF.
Still.  For those that don't know, Hinault is a 5 times French TDF winner who openly stated, when asked about steroid use at the TDF, something to the effect "Well, you don't win the Tour drinking spring water.
"  Where's the movement to strip his titles?
"Pantani, Ulrich, Riis, Indurain"I know that Pantani and Ulrich were caught doping after their wins in other races, and they were not stripped of titles since it didn't occur DURING the TDF, yet they only tried that with Armstrong.
"I don't remember American 3 time tour winner Greg LeMond being accused of doping, but I'm sure he was.
"LeMond had been currently going after Armstrong.
The strongest evidence against LeMond was circumstantial and not during any of his TDF years; it was during his couple of comebacks after his hunting accident.
He ripped ligaments repeatedly, and the whispers were that sort of damage was due to steroid use he was using to recover.
"The Floyd Landis case is considered particularily insulting, because the winner failing a drug test smeared the reputation of the tour even further.
He never apologised and now 2 years later he still hasn't accepted guilt and is still appealing that decision.
With his 2 year ban expired, he was planning to compete in this year's race.
It looks like some people in France really wish he didn't.
""even further"--key words here--the TDF was already smeared with doping scandals, with teams and prior winners conclusively found to be doping.Landis wasn't.
Partly because he didn't roll over.
Which the French foun</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>rve</author>
	<datestamp>1266341340000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And that doesn't speak slightly of anti-Americanism?</p></div><p>Hmm, let me clarify what I mean with anti-americanism. How likely are you to get heckled in Europe for being from the US? Depending on the social circles you live/work in: anything ranging from rarely to day in, day out.</p><p>How likely are you to get heckled in the US for being French? Also anything ranging from rarely to every day depending on your social circles, but most people will have no opinion about France whatsoever. It's pretty rare for people to have no opinion about a global superpower, that's a fact.</p><p>Now how likely are you here in Europe to have people refuse service, close a door in your face, reject a job application, try to frame you for crimes just for being American? With my (dual American/European) family, we've never experienced anything like that. How likely are you to have to fear for your life for being American? It's unheard of. This is not east africa or the middle east.</p><p>The idea that there is a conspiracy of bribery and falsifying lab tests in order to frame athletes just for being American just sounds like paranoia to people actually living here. And even if there was such a conspiracy, it would have to be combined with a conspiracy against Spanish, Luxemburgish, British, German, Italian and Czech cyclists to hand the victory to a French rider.</p></div>
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<tokenext>And that does n't speak slightly of anti-Americanism ? Hmm , let me clarify what I mean with anti-americanism .
How likely are you to get heckled in Europe for being from the US ?
Depending on the social circles you live/work in : anything ranging from rarely to day in , day out.How likely are you to get heckled in the US for being French ?
Also anything ranging from rarely to every day depending on your social circles , but most people will have no opinion about France whatsoever .
It 's pretty rare for people to have no opinion about a global superpower , that 's a fact.Now how likely are you here in Europe to have people refuse service , close a door in your face , reject a job application , try to frame you for crimes just for being American ?
With my ( dual American/European ) family , we 've never experienced anything like that .
How likely are you to have to fear for your life for being American ?
It 's unheard of .
This is not east africa or the middle east.The idea that there is a conspiracy of bribery and falsifying lab tests in order to frame athletes just for being American just sounds like paranoia to people actually living here .
And even if there was such a conspiracy , it would have to be combined with a conspiracy against Spanish , Luxemburgish , British , German , Italian and Czech cyclists to hand the victory to a French rider .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And that doesn't speak slightly of anti-Americanism?Hmm, let me clarify what I mean with anti-americanism.
How likely are you to get heckled in Europe for being from the US?
Depending on the social circles you live/work in: anything ranging from rarely to day in, day out.How likely are you to get heckled in the US for being French?
Also anything ranging from rarely to every day depending on your social circles, but most people will have no opinion about France whatsoever.
It's pretty rare for people to have no opinion about a global superpower, that's a fact.Now how likely are you here in Europe to have people refuse service, close a door in your face, reject a job application, try to frame you for crimes just for being American?
With my (dual American/European) family, we've never experienced anything like that.
How likely are you to have to fear for your life for being American?
It's unheard of.
This is not east africa or the middle east.The idea that there is a conspiracy of bribery and falsifying lab tests in order to frame athletes just for being American just sounds like paranoia to people actually living here.
And even if there was such a conspiracy, it would have to be combined with a conspiracy against Spanish, Luxemburgish, British, German, Italian and Czech cyclists to hand the victory to a French rider.
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	<title>Re:Hacking cyclists?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266331680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Oh come on, a hacking cyclist? Everyone knows professional cyclists are even dumber than professional soccer players. The French just can't stand <strong>loosing</strong> from Yanks, look at all the allegations they made against Lance <strong>Armstromg</strong>.</p></div><p>Oh, look, everybody, the troll is even dumber than a professional soccer player.</p><p>What's the matter with you?  Did a French soccer player knock up your mom?</p></div>
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<tokenext>Oh come on , a hacking cyclist ?
Everyone knows professional cyclists are even dumber than professional soccer players .
The French just ca n't stand loosing from Yanks , look at all the allegations they made against Lance Armstromg.Oh , look , everybody , the troll is even dumber than a professional soccer player.What 's the matter with you ?
Did a French soccer player knock up your mom ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh come on, a hacking cyclist?
Everyone knows professional cyclists are even dumber than professional soccer players.
The French just can't stand loosing from Yanks, look at all the allegations they made against Lance Armstromg.Oh, look, everybody, the troll is even dumber than a professional soccer player.What's the matter with you?
Did a French soccer player knock up your mom?
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	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>kbmxpxfan</author>
	<datestamp>1266334680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>LOL! And you would say we Mennonites need the cultural education!</htmltext>
<tokenext>LOL !
And you would say we Mennonites need the cultural education !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LOL!
And you would say we Mennonites need the cultural education!</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>mmeister</author>
	<datestamp>1266342420000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Testing was much more lax in LeMond's day, so he could very well have skated by. The fact that he's so quick to join the accusers makes me wonder about his motives. And his claims that some of his best friends told him (and only him) in private that they doped says that either his friends are stupid or maybe he's not being truthful.</p><p>Armstrong sued the Tour for their claims and won. He's probably the most drug tested cyclist on the tour, yet all that comes out of the Tour is innuendo and whispers because there is no evidence of him doping. The officials so desperately want to implicate him but can't, so they throw out whispers instead. Of course, Armstrong is probably the best thing that ever happened to the Tour in the last 25+ years.</p><p>I don't know whether Landis did or didn't dope. I do know the claims made (that he would massively dope on the last stage) is inconsistent with the science involved (of how steroids work) and would make Landis an absolute idiot that it leaves questions. I can say that the evidence I saw from the hearings made me question the entire testing process used. In a normal court, Landis would have been found not guilty just on the labs very questionable procedures. Of course, in the Tour "court", if you're accused of doping, you are assumed guilty and have to then prove your innocence. Even the panel's findings suggested major problems with the testing procedures, but they stayed with the guilty assumption.</p><p>I'm waiting for the Tour to have a transparent process in place for testing so that there is no doubt by the public, but they have done absolutely nothing since then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Testing was much more lax in LeMond 's day , so he could very well have skated by .
The fact that he 's so quick to join the accusers makes me wonder about his motives .
And his claims that some of his best friends told him ( and only him ) in private that they doped says that either his friends are stupid or maybe he 's not being truthful.Armstrong sued the Tour for their claims and won .
He 's probably the most drug tested cyclist on the tour , yet all that comes out of the Tour is innuendo and whispers because there is no evidence of him doping .
The officials so desperately want to implicate him but ca n't , so they throw out whispers instead .
Of course , Armstrong is probably the best thing that ever happened to the Tour in the last 25 + years.I do n't know whether Landis did or did n't dope .
I do know the claims made ( that he would massively dope on the last stage ) is inconsistent with the science involved ( of how steroids work ) and would make Landis an absolute idiot that it leaves questions .
I can say that the evidence I saw from the hearings made me question the entire testing process used .
In a normal court , Landis would have been found not guilty just on the labs very questionable procedures .
Of course , in the Tour " court " , if you 're accused of doping , you are assumed guilty and have to then prove your innocence .
Even the panel 's findings suggested major problems with the testing procedures , but they stayed with the guilty assumption.I 'm waiting for the Tour to have a transparent process in place for testing so that there is no doubt by the public , but they have done absolutely nothing since then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Testing was much more lax in LeMond's day, so he could very well have skated by.
The fact that he's so quick to join the accusers makes me wonder about his motives.
And his claims that some of his best friends told him (and only him) in private that they doped says that either his friends are stupid or maybe he's not being truthful.Armstrong sued the Tour for their claims and won.
He's probably the most drug tested cyclist on the tour, yet all that comes out of the Tour is innuendo and whispers because there is no evidence of him doping.
The officials so desperately want to implicate him but can't, so they throw out whispers instead.
Of course, Armstrong is probably the best thing that ever happened to the Tour in the last 25+ years.I don't know whether Landis did or didn't dope.
I do know the claims made (that he would massively dope on the last stage) is inconsistent with the science involved (of how steroids work) and would make Landis an absolute idiot that it leaves questions.
I can say that the evidence I saw from the hearings made me question the entire testing process used.
In a normal court, Landis would have been found not guilty just on the labs very questionable procedures.
Of course, in the Tour "court", if you're accused of doping, you are assumed guilty and have to then prove your innocence.
Even the panel's findings suggested major problems with the testing procedures, but they stayed with the guilty assumption.I'm waiting for the Tour to have a transparent process in place for testing so that there is no doubt by the public, but they have done absolutely nothing since then.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154652</id>
	<title>Re:Warrant only applies to France</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266332820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know, it's totally bogus how those underhand Frenchies <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/columns/story?id=2871865" title="go.com">must have infiltrated the United States Anti-Doping Agency which found synthetic testosterone in 4 out of 7 of Landis' B samples</a> [go.com].  Will they stop at <em>nothing</em> to sully the names of honourable American athletes?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know , it 's totally bogus how those underhand Frenchies must have infiltrated the United States Anti-Doping Agency which found synthetic testosterone in 4 out of 7 of Landis ' B samples [ go.com ] .
Will they stop at nothing to sully the names of honourable American athletes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know, it's totally bogus how those underhand Frenchies must have infiltrated the United States Anti-Doping Agency which found synthetic testosterone in 4 out of 7 of Landis' B samples [go.com].
Will they stop at nothing to sully the names of honourable American athletes?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31158798</id>
	<title>Re:Champion?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266351480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And yet the power tap onboard showed no more than average output for this rider. Can you explain that as well?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And yet the power tap onboard showed no more than average output for this rider .
Can you explain that as well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And yet the power tap onboard showed no more than average output for this rider.
Can you explain that as well?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31162396</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>linest</author>
	<datestamp>1266325320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> I don't remember American 3 time tour winner Greg LeMond being accused of doping, but I'm sure he was.'</p></div><p>1989, Giro D'Italia. Lemond was riding poorly until he received injections for a previously undiagnosed iron deficiency. His riding improved tremendously and he won the final time trial. He went on to win his second TdF 2 months later. Many people found the "iron deficiency" unlikely and suspect that there was more in the syringe that iron. Perhaps coincidentally, this was shortly after EPO became available. I'm not saying Lemond did or did not dope, but the accusations persist to this day.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't remember American 3 time tour winner Greg LeMond being accused of doping , but I 'm sure he was .
'1989 , Giro D'Italia .
Lemond was riding poorly until he received injections for a previously undiagnosed iron deficiency .
His riding improved tremendously and he won the final time trial .
He went on to win his second TdF 2 months later .
Many people found the " iron deficiency " unlikely and suspect that there was more in the syringe that iron .
Perhaps coincidentally , this was shortly after EPO became available .
I 'm not saying Lemond did or did not dope , but the accusations persist to this day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I don't remember American 3 time tour winner Greg LeMond being accused of doping, but I'm sure he was.
'1989, Giro D'Italia.
Lemond was riding poorly until he received injections for a previously undiagnosed iron deficiency.
His riding improved tremendously and he won the final time trial.
He went on to win his second TdF 2 months later.
Many people found the "iron deficiency" unlikely and suspect that there was more in the syringe that iron.
Perhaps coincidentally, this was shortly after EPO became available.
I'm not saying Lemond did or did not dope, but the accusations persist to this day.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31156204</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>scatter\_gather</author>
	<datestamp>1266341820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Come on, <b>noone</b> is suggesting<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...  <b>Noone</b> gets to appeal<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Come on , noone is suggesting ... Noone gets to appeal .. . You keep using that word .
I do not think it means what you think it means .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come on, noone is suggesting ...  Noone gets to appeal ...
You keep using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155180</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>Permutation Citizen</author>
	<datestamp>1266336120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really, I can't understand public can still have an interest in Tour de France with all these dope scandals.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really , I ca n't understand public can still have an interest in Tour de France with all these dope scandals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really, I can't understand public can still have an interest in Tour de France with all these dope scandals.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154362</id>
	<title>No offsite backup?</title>
	<author>niftyguy</author>
	<datestamp>1266330420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can't imagine how these clowns manage to function when they only keep one copy of all their results.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't imagine how these clowns manage to function when they only keep one copy of all their results .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't imagine how these clowns manage to function when they only keep one copy of all their results.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31171156</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265046480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its funny how similar 'evidence' of American Joe-public's spewing irrational hate and FUD about everyone that's not American (and a few that are<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:s) and a number of cases where foreigners have been targeted with much harsher methods than domestics could be considered proof of an anti-foreigner (anti-muslim, anti-arab, anti-[specific\_asian/middle-eastern\_country], anti-Scotland even!) mentality in the States - yet, as I've heard on this site many time, you too are 'tired of such suggestions'.</p><p>In other words - get the fuck over yourselves. Have a look at their other options - admit that they can't conclusively prove it, cause they don't have him shooting up on video and face hundreds of other cyclists taking whatever they want and then appealing till their blue in the face and playing their race/nationality cards - it would mean the end of the tour and would be incredibly damaging to the sport in general. They have to take a no-nonsense approach, and they accommodate for the problems this causes by not tarring him forever (not banning him from the tour because of the results of one race etc.).</p><p>There's so many places that this testing could be questioned there's no way they could make this sorta stuff stand up in court - hell the only way these test stand up in criminal court at all is the level of trust and implicit authority we put in Police and their partners in the Scientific realm. It takes a mountain of evidence before the word of a Copper is even questioned - it takes much less than a popular celebs opinion for the word of a white-coated official to be questioned, especially if he's 'not from around here'.</p><p>If you're still really torn up about this anti-America vibe you feel then do what your lot usually does - take the ball (or club/racket etc. bike in this case), go home, bend the damn thing out of shape until no fuck recongises it, swap the rules out with another game you don't really like yet keep the same name and officially declare the new sport the best thing since baseball<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)  (That might come across as anti-American, but really I'm just relying on your famous ability to laugh at yourselves<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its funny how similar 'evidence ' of American Joe-public 's spewing irrational hate and FUD about everyone that 's not American ( and a few that are : s ) and a number of cases where foreigners have been targeted with much harsher methods than domestics could be considered proof of an anti-foreigner ( anti-muslim , anti-arab , anti- [ specific \ _asian/middle-eastern \ _country ] , anti-Scotland even !
) mentality in the States - yet , as I 've heard on this site many time , you too are 'tired of such suggestions'.In other words - get the fuck over yourselves .
Have a look at their other options - admit that they ca n't conclusively prove it , cause they do n't have him shooting up on video and face hundreds of other cyclists taking whatever they want and then appealing till their blue in the face and playing their race/nationality cards - it would mean the end of the tour and would be incredibly damaging to the sport in general .
They have to take a no-nonsense approach , and they accommodate for the problems this causes by not tarring him forever ( not banning him from the tour because of the results of one race etc .
) .There 's so many places that this testing could be questioned there 's no way they could make this sorta stuff stand up in court - hell the only way these test stand up in criminal court at all is the level of trust and implicit authority we put in Police and their partners in the Scientific realm .
It takes a mountain of evidence before the word of a Copper is even questioned - it takes much less than a popular celebs opinion for the word of a white-coated official to be questioned , especially if he 's 'not from around here'.If you 're still really torn up about this anti-America vibe you feel then do what your lot usually does - take the ball ( or club/racket etc .
bike in this case ) , go home , bend the damn thing out of shape until no fuck recongises it , swap the rules out with another game you do n't really like yet keep the same name and officially declare the new sport the best thing since baseball : ) ( That might come across as anti-American , but really I 'm just relying on your famous ability to laugh at yourselves : P ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its funny how similar 'evidence' of American Joe-public's spewing irrational hate and FUD about everyone that's not American (and a few that are :s) and a number of cases where foreigners have been targeted with much harsher methods than domestics could be considered proof of an anti-foreigner (anti-muslim, anti-arab, anti-[specific\_asian/middle-eastern\_country], anti-Scotland even!
) mentality in the States - yet, as I've heard on this site many time, you too are 'tired of such suggestions'.In other words - get the fuck over yourselves.
Have a look at their other options - admit that they can't conclusively prove it, cause they don't have him shooting up on video and face hundreds of other cyclists taking whatever they want and then appealing till their blue in the face and playing their race/nationality cards - it would mean the end of the tour and would be incredibly damaging to the sport in general.
They have to take a no-nonsense approach, and they accommodate for the problems this causes by not tarring him forever (not banning him from the tour because of the results of one race etc.
).There's so many places that this testing could be questioned there's no way they could make this sorta stuff stand up in court - hell the only way these test stand up in criminal court at all is the level of trust and implicit authority we put in Police and their partners in the Scientific realm.
It takes a mountain of evidence before the word of a Copper is even questioned - it takes much less than a popular celebs opinion for the word of a white-coated official to be questioned, especially if he's 'not from around here'.If you're still really torn up about this anti-America vibe you feel then do what your lot usually does - take the ball (or club/racket etc.
bike in this case), go home, bend the damn thing out of shape until no fuck recongises it, swap the rules out with another game you don't really like yet keep the same name and officially declare the new sport the best thing since baseball :)  (That might come across as anti-American, but really I'm just relying on your famous ability to laugh at yourselves :P).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154958</id>
	<title>Re:Hacking cyclists?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266334860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, just knocked her down with a headbutt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , just knocked her down with a headbutt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, just knocked her down with a headbutt.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31166280</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265015400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They take a very long time to evaluate new techology (usually about 300 years or so)</p></div><p>So they'll be able to play Duke Nukem Forever as soon as it's released!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They take a very long time to evaluate new techology ( usually about 300 years or so ) So they 'll be able to play Duke Nukem Forever as soon as it 's released !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They take a very long time to evaluate new techology (usually about 300 years or so)So they'll be able to play Duke Nukem Forever as soon as it's released!
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155078</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>JamesP</author>
	<datestamp>1266335640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OTOH Mormons seem to be very tech savvy. Or at least the one I know<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OTOH Mormons seem to be very tech savvy .
Or at least the one I know : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OTOH Mormons seem to be very tech savvy.
Or at least the one I know :)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155700</id>
	<title>Re:What a concept!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266339000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The stereotype has a pretty strong basis in reality.  As an anecdote, all the geeks in my office are rather unhealthy.  You have the extremely skinny, the ones so engrossed in their work that they presumably don't bother eating and certainly never exercise.  Then you have the morbidly obese who, of course, never exercise.  Embarrassingly, I also fall squarely into one of the two camps.  I think your experience is a bit unusual.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The stereotype has a pretty strong basis in reality .
As an anecdote , all the geeks in my office are rather unhealthy .
You have the extremely skinny , the ones so engrossed in their work that they presumably do n't bother eating and certainly never exercise .
Then you have the morbidly obese who , of course , never exercise .
Embarrassingly , I also fall squarely into one of the two camps .
I think your experience is a bit unusual .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The stereotype has a pretty strong basis in reality.
As an anecdote, all the geeks in my office are rather unhealthy.
You have the extremely skinny, the ones so engrossed in their work that they presumably don't bother eating and certainly never exercise.
Then you have the morbidly obese who, of course, never exercise.
Embarrassingly, I also fall squarely into one of the two camps.
I think your experience is a bit unusual.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154782</id>
	<title>Top Cyclists are pretty smart.</title>
	<author>MasterOfGoingFaster</author>
	<datestamp>1266333720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uh.... I have two state time trial championships, and finished fourth in my class at the American Mountain Bike Championships.  Top cyclists are pretty smart people, and you have to be to get your body in the kind of shape to perform at that level.</p><p>A friend who has won over 6 state championships says the strongest guys doesn't always with, but the smartest strong guy usually does.  He fits that description to a T.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh.... I have two state time trial championships , and finished fourth in my class at the American Mountain Bike Championships .
Top cyclists are pretty smart people , and you have to be to get your body in the kind of shape to perform at that level.A friend who has won over 6 state championships says the strongest guys does n't always with , but the smartest strong guy usually does .
He fits that description to a T .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh.... I have two state time trial championships, and finished fourth in my class at the American Mountain Bike Championships.
Top cyclists are pretty smart people, and you have to be to get your body in the kind of shape to perform at that level.A friend who has won over 6 state championships says the strongest guys doesn't always with, but the smartest strong guy usually does.
He fits that description to a T.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31159608</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>ktappe</author>
	<datestamp>1266312120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I should also point out, what Landis was taking, while clearly a performance enhancer, was not detected in earlier tests of him during the same TDF.  He started taking it DURING the TDF, in which the synthetic testosterone would have no play in his performance (testosterone is more a long term actor and a muscle builder, not short term); that's the other perplexing issue that's been raised but never explained, with most thinking it was maybe a pyschological or dare taking inducing edge, but it still makes little sense to start taking a longer term nont short term performance enhancer mid-race.  In turn, some think something was spiked.</p></div><p>It's even weirder:  If my memory serves, he tested positive for the synthetic testosterone on days 4, 7, and 11. He was tested every single day of the TDF and only on those three days of the 24 was he positive. That's scientifically impossible for testosterone; it cannot be cleared from the body overnight.  And that makes the test results smell to high heaven, yet the French anti-doping authority made no effort whatsoever to even address this very important issue let alone investigate.  That is why, to this day, I believe Landis when he denies the charges.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I should also point out , what Landis was taking , while clearly a performance enhancer , was not detected in earlier tests of him during the same TDF .
He started taking it DURING the TDF , in which the synthetic testosterone would have no play in his performance ( testosterone is more a long term actor and a muscle builder , not short term ) ; that 's the other perplexing issue that 's been raised but never explained , with most thinking it was maybe a pyschological or dare taking inducing edge , but it still makes little sense to start taking a longer term nont short term performance enhancer mid-race .
In turn , some think something was spiked.It 's even weirder : If my memory serves , he tested positive for the synthetic testosterone on days 4 , 7 , and 11 .
He was tested every single day of the TDF and only on those three days of the 24 was he positive .
That 's scientifically impossible for testosterone ; it can not be cleared from the body overnight .
And that makes the test results smell to high heaven , yet the French anti-doping authority made no effort whatsoever to even address this very important issue let alone investigate .
That is why , to this day , I believe Landis when he denies the charges .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I should also point out, what Landis was taking, while clearly a performance enhancer, was not detected in earlier tests of him during the same TDF.
He started taking it DURING the TDF, in which the synthetic testosterone would have no play in his performance (testosterone is more a long term actor and a muscle builder, not short term); that's the other perplexing issue that's been raised but never explained, with most thinking it was maybe a pyschological or dare taking inducing edge, but it still makes little sense to start taking a longer term nont short term performance enhancer mid-race.
In turn, some think something was spiked.It's even weirder:  If my memory serves, he tested positive for the synthetic testosterone on days 4, 7, and 11.
He was tested every single day of the TDF and only on those three days of the 24 was he positive.
That's scientifically impossible for testosterone; it cannot be cleared from the body overnight.
And that makes the test results smell to high heaven, yet the French anti-doping authority made no effort whatsoever to even address this very important issue let alone investigate.
That is why, to this day, I believe Landis when he denies the charges.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31156026</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>theIsovist</author>
	<datestamp>1266340800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Find me a sport these days without doping/steroids scandals?  Off the top of my head, I can think of major scandals involving cycling, baseball, swimming, track and field, and even horse racing.
<br> <br>
when we push the limits of sports the way we do, most professional athletes will do everything in their power to succeed.  chances are, if they aren't taking anything illegal to the sport, they are using a substance that may very well become illegal in the future.  Moral reasons aside, if a certain combination of chemicals will result in a 4\% increase in speed/stamina/power, and these chemicals are not explicitly banned, why wouldn't you take them?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Find me a sport these days without doping/steroids scandals ?
Off the top of my head , I can think of major scandals involving cycling , baseball , swimming , track and field , and even horse racing .
when we push the limits of sports the way we do , most professional athletes will do everything in their power to succeed .
chances are , if they are n't taking anything illegal to the sport , they are using a substance that may very well become illegal in the future .
Moral reasons aside , if a certain combination of chemicals will result in a 4 \ % increase in speed/stamina/power , and these chemicals are not explicitly banned , why would n't you take them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Find me a sport these days without doping/steroids scandals?
Off the top of my head, I can think of major scandals involving cycling, baseball, swimming, track and field, and even horse racing.
when we push the limits of sports the way we do, most professional athletes will do everything in their power to succeed.
chances are, if they aren't taking anything illegal to the sport, they are using a substance that may very well become illegal in the future.
Moral reasons aside, if a certain combination of chemicals will result in a 4\% increase in speed/stamina/power, and these chemicals are not explicitly banned, why wouldn't you take them?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154982</id>
	<title>Re:Hackers on Steroids</title>
	<author>gandhi\_2</author>
	<datestamp>1266335040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Hackers Suspected of Blood Doping</i> doesn't really have the same ring to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hackers Suspected of Blood Doping does n't really have the same ring to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hackers Suspected of Blood Doping doesn't really have the same ring to it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155008</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>zx75</author>
	<datestamp>1266335220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Please readjust your thinking about Mennonites... you are so very wrong that you almost circle completely back again.</p><p>I will state for a fact that I am Mennonite. I got my first computer when I was 6 (1988) and I am currently employed as a software developer.</p><p>Although the Amish and the Old Order are Mennonites (which are among the few sects that have community restrictions on technology) the reverse is not true. It is equivalent to me saying that you are Christian, sometimes mistaken as Mormon. I'm not saying it's impossible for you to be monagamous, but I'm sure you were raised in a polygamous cult.</p><p>I will further add to my comment in saying that I do know some Old Order and Amish people, and have had a nice long conversation with an Old Order deacon and teacher who explained that it is not technology that they shun, but anything new that may split their community. They take a very long time to evaluate new techology (usually about 300 years or so) but they do use some modern equipment. The Old Order community that I was on used modern combines (computer controlled) in order to quickly and efficiently harvest their fields.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please readjust your thinking about Mennonites... you are so very wrong that you almost circle completely back again.I will state for a fact that I am Mennonite .
I got my first computer when I was 6 ( 1988 ) and I am currently employed as a software developer.Although the Amish and the Old Order are Mennonites ( which are among the few sects that have community restrictions on technology ) the reverse is not true .
It is equivalent to me saying that you are Christian , sometimes mistaken as Mormon .
I 'm not saying it 's impossible for you to be monagamous , but I 'm sure you were raised in a polygamous cult.I will further add to my comment in saying that I do know some Old Order and Amish people , and have had a nice long conversation with an Old Order deacon and teacher who explained that it is not technology that they shun , but anything new that may split their community .
They take a very long time to evaluate new techology ( usually about 300 years or so ) but they do use some modern equipment .
The Old Order community that I was on used modern combines ( computer controlled ) in order to quickly and efficiently harvest their fields .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please readjust your thinking about Mennonites... you are so very wrong that you almost circle completely back again.I will state for a fact that I am Mennonite.
I got my first computer when I was 6 (1988) and I am currently employed as a software developer.Although the Amish and the Old Order are Mennonites (which are among the few sects that have community restrictions on technology) the reverse is not true.
It is equivalent to me saying that you are Christian, sometimes mistaken as Mormon.
I'm not saying it's impossible for you to be monagamous, but I'm sure you were raised in a polygamous cult.I will further add to my comment in saying that I do know some Old Order and Amish people, and have had a nice long conversation with an Old Order deacon and teacher who explained that it is not technology that they shun, but anything new that may split their community.
They take a very long time to evaluate new techology (usually about 300 years or so) but they do use some modern equipment.
The Old Order community that I was on used modern combines (computer controlled) in order to quickly and efficiently harvest their fields.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31162016</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1266323400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><strong>No flame. Just a sad shake of the head for your sneering attitude. Read up on Mennonites (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mennonite). They are not the Amish, and most of their sects don't prohibit modern conveniences such as TVs. Blame the parent posts for leaving you with that impression if you must, but ultimately the responsibility was yours.</strong></htmltext>
<tokenext>No flame .
Just a sad shake of the head for your sneering attitude .
Read up on Mennonites ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mennonite ) .
They are not the Amish , and most of their sects do n't prohibit modern conveniences such as TVs .
Blame the parent posts for leaving you with that impression if you must , but ultimately the responsibility was yours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No flame.
Just a sad shake of the head for your sneering attitude.
Read up on Mennonites (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mennonite).
They are not the Amish, and most of their sects don't prohibit modern conveniences such as TVs.
Blame the parent posts for leaving you with that impression if you must, but ultimately the responsibility was yours.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31156198</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266341820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He failed *A* test, and with the substance he tested positive for he should've failed *many* tests. There's just no way for the substance levels to spike that high on one day &amp; not show up on any other days. Anyone in their right mind should see that this was an aberration in the testing procedures, and most likely erroneous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He failed * A * test , and with the substance he tested positive for he should 've failed * many * tests .
There 's just no way for the substance levels to spike that high on one day &amp; not show up on any other days .
Anyone in their right mind should see that this was an aberration in the testing procedures , and most likely erroneous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He failed *A* test, and with the substance he tested positive for he should've failed *many* tests.
There's just no way for the substance levels to spike that high on one day &amp; not show up on any other days.
Anyone in their right mind should see that this was an aberration in the testing procedures, and most likely erroneous.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154334</id>
	<title>Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266330180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Landis grew up a Mennonite, sometimes refered to German Baptists, often mistaken as Amish.  I'm not saying it's impossible for him to have learned the skills to do something like this, but I'm sure he has almost no access to a computer while growing up and his riding training probably kept him from honing his skills online.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Landis grew up a Mennonite , sometimes refered to German Baptists , often mistaken as Amish .
I 'm not saying it 's impossible for him to have learned the skills to do something like this , but I 'm sure he has almost no access to a computer while growing up and his riding training probably kept him from honing his skills online .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Landis grew up a Mennonite, sometimes refered to German Baptists, often mistaken as Amish.
I'm not saying it's impossible for him to have learned the skills to do something like this, but I'm sure he has almost no access to a computer while growing up and his riding training probably kept him from honing his skills online.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155110</id>
	<title>Re:What a concept!</title>
	<author>neurovish</author>
	<datestamp>1266335820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That stereotype is overrated.</p><p>I cycle about 15km a day (5500km a year), which is mostly to and from work, plus going to places at weekends. I weigh ~60kg, which puts me on the lower end of "healthy weight" for my height. One of my IT colleagues rows regularly, another belongs to a football team, another goes to the gym most days. Many others cycle or walk to work. There are only a couple of people I'd consider overweight.</p></div><p>...and how often do they spend a weekend rebuilding their gentoo system to find the most optimum CFLAGS setting?</p></div>
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<tokenext>That stereotype is overrated.I cycle about 15km a day ( 5500km a year ) , which is mostly to and from work , plus going to places at weekends .
I weigh ~ 60kg , which puts me on the lower end of " healthy weight " for my height .
One of my IT colleagues rows regularly , another belongs to a football team , another goes to the gym most days .
Many others cycle or walk to work .
There are only a couple of people I 'd consider overweight....and how often do they spend a weekend rebuilding their gentoo system to find the most optimum CFLAGS setting ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That stereotype is overrated.I cycle about 15km a day (5500km a year), which is mostly to and from work, plus going to places at weekends.
I weigh ~60kg, which puts me on the lower end of "healthy weight" for my height.
One of my IT colleagues rows regularly, another belongs to a football team, another goes to the gym most days.
Many others cycle or walk to work.
There are only a couple of people I'd consider overweight....and how often do they spend a weekend rebuilding their gentoo system to find the most optimum CFLAGS setting?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31157778</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>OhHellWithIt</author>
	<datestamp>1266347580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Landis grew up a Mennonite, sometimes refered to German Baptists, often mistaken as Amish.</p></div><p>The Amish and the Mennonites are closely linked and both groups are descended from German Baptists. The practices of the Amish are distributed over a significant range; there are even some who will use a stationary gasoline or diesel engine to power equipment in the barn. They carefully consider the costs and benefits of innovation and how it would affect their way of life.
</p><p>Also, the young people can be rebellious just like young people in the population at large. The rebellion might take the form of a battery-powered radio, or a car. The community tolerates this to a point. Eventually, the young person has to decide whether to commit to the Amish way or not, and the real trouble only comes if he apostasizes (i.e., says he will follow the Amish way and changes his mind).
</p><p>I learned this from a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Amish-Society-John-Hostetler/dp/0801844428/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1266343821&amp;sr=1-1" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">book</a> [amazon.com] by a college professor who was raised in the Amish faith and chose to become a Mennonite when he came of age.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Landis grew up a Mennonite , sometimes refered to German Baptists , often mistaken as Amish.The Amish and the Mennonites are closely linked and both groups are descended from German Baptists .
The practices of the Amish are distributed over a significant range ; there are even some who will use a stationary gasoline or diesel engine to power equipment in the barn .
They carefully consider the costs and benefits of innovation and how it would affect their way of life .
Also , the young people can be rebellious just like young people in the population at large .
The rebellion might take the form of a battery-powered radio , or a car .
The community tolerates this to a point .
Eventually , the young person has to decide whether to commit to the Amish way or not , and the real trouble only comes if he apostasizes ( i.e. , says he will follow the Amish way and changes his mind ) .
I learned this from a book [ amazon.com ] by a college professor who was raised in the Amish faith and chose to become a Mennonite when he came of age .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Landis grew up a Mennonite, sometimes refered to German Baptists, often mistaken as Amish.The Amish and the Mennonites are closely linked and both groups are descended from German Baptists.
The practices of the Amish are distributed over a significant range; there are even some who will use a stationary gasoline or diesel engine to power equipment in the barn.
They carefully consider the costs and benefits of innovation and how it would affect their way of life.
Also, the young people can be rebellious just like young people in the population at large.
The rebellion might take the form of a battery-powered radio, or a car.
The community tolerates this to a point.
Eventually, the young person has to decide whether to commit to the Amish way or not, and the real trouble only comes if he apostasizes (i.e., says he will follow the Amish way and changes his mind).
I learned this from a book [amazon.com] by a college professor who was raised in the Amish faith and chose to become a Mennonite when he came of age.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31157894</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>twitchingbug</author>
	<datestamp>1266348060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>About the synthetic testosterone - two points.</p><p>1) There were rumors that you could use a testosterone patch to speed healing/recovery and the dosage amounts would be so minimal as to not be detected.</p><p>2) if my first point is true, then simply because it's "known" to only be a long term actor, if it was detected, this could be used as a defense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>About the synthetic testosterone - two points.1 ) There were rumors that you could use a testosterone patch to speed healing/recovery and the dosage amounts would be so minimal as to not be detected.2 ) if my first point is true , then simply because it 's " known " to only be a long term actor , if it was detected , this could be used as a defense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>About the synthetic testosterone - two points.1) There were rumors that you could use a testosterone patch to speed healing/recovery and the dosage amounts would be so minimal as to not be detected.2) if my first point is true, then simply because it's "known" to only be a long term actor, if it was detected, this could be used as a defense.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31157034</id>
	<title>Re:What a concept!</title>
	<author>The Wooden Badger</author>
	<datestamp>1266344940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But he was raised Mennonite.  That kind of kills it for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But he was raised Mennonite .
That kind of kills it for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But he was raised Mennonite.
That kind of kills it for me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155204</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266336240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a small problem with the French regarding the Tour: They're not thrustworthy in their judgement. If Floyd Landis had been named Richard Virenque the tests would probably have mysteriously disappeared. I'm not saying that he didn't cheat, but the French are very often using double standards regarding cycling...<br>I guess it has something to do with Armstrong winning the tour 7 times in a row which their own heroes Anquetil and Hinault never could...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a small problem with the French regarding the Tour : They 're not thrustworthy in their judgement .
If Floyd Landis had been named Richard Virenque the tests would probably have mysteriously disappeared .
I 'm not saying that he did n't cheat , but the French are very often using double standards regarding cycling...I guess it has something to do with Armstrong winning the tour 7 times in a row which their own heroes Anquetil and Hinault never could.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a small problem with the French regarding the Tour: They're not thrustworthy in their judgement.
If Floyd Landis had been named Richard Virenque the tests would probably have mysteriously disappeared.
I'm not saying that he didn't cheat, but the French are very often using double standards regarding cycling...I guess it has something to do with Armstrong winning the tour 7 times in a row which their own heroes Anquetil and Hinault never could...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155240</id>
	<title>Re:Champion?</title>
	<author>Hijacked Public</author>
	<datestamp>1266336420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The testosterone levels found could not have occurred naturally. There was also evidence of exogenous testosterone.</p><p>Flandis made all sorts of claims, most of which involve someone tampering with the samples. Maybe that happened, but he wasn't able to show that to the satisfaction of the judges, both French and American. If we expect to keep banned substances out of cycling we have to have some means of testing for them, and what we have now are best means we've devised so far. We either accept their decisions or we might as well open up the sport to whatever drugs an athlete might want to take.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The testosterone levels found could not have occurred naturally .
There was also evidence of exogenous testosterone.Flandis made all sorts of claims , most of which involve someone tampering with the samples .
Maybe that happened , but he was n't able to show that to the satisfaction of the judges , both French and American .
If we expect to keep banned substances out of cycling we have to have some means of testing for them , and what we have now are best means we 've devised so far .
We either accept their decisions or we might as well open up the sport to whatever drugs an athlete might want to take .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The testosterone levels found could not have occurred naturally.
There was also evidence of exogenous testosterone.Flandis made all sorts of claims, most of which involve someone tampering with the samples.
Maybe that happened, but he wasn't able to show that to the satisfaction of the judges, both French and American.
If we expect to keep banned substances out of cycling we have to have some means of testing for them, and what we have now are best means we've devised so far.
We either accept their decisions or we might as well open up the sport to whatever drugs an athlete might want to take.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155868</id>
	<title>The only hack involved here...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266339900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...is a French magistrate.</p><p>Seriously?  An American ex-Mennonite biker "druggie" is supposed to have 1337 contacts who also have expert knowledge of male endocrinology, so they can craft new test results?</p><p>Incroyable!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...is a French magistrate.Seriously ?
An American ex-Mennonite biker " druggie " is supposed to have 1337 contacts who also have expert knowledge of male endocrinology , so they can craft new test results ? Incroyable !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...is a French magistrate.Seriously?
An American ex-Mennonite biker "druggie" is supposed to have 1337 contacts who also have expert knowledge of male endocrinology, so they can craft new test results?Incroyable!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31156930</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>MrCrassic</author>
	<datestamp>1266344640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> I don't remember American 3 time tour winner Greg LeMond being accused of doping, but I'm sure he was.</p></div><p>One of the central points in Armstrong's feud with LeMond is that he DID use EPO when it got hot back in the early 90's. I think he was also openly accused of being on other types of drugs in the French press, but that may have just been Armstrong.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I do n't remember American 3 time tour winner Greg LeMond being accused of doping , but I 'm sure he was.One of the central points in Armstrong 's feud with LeMond is that he DID use EPO when it got hot back in the early 90 's .
I think he was also openly accused of being on other types of drugs in the French press , but that may have just been Armstrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I don't remember American 3 time tour winner Greg LeMond being accused of doping, but I'm sure he was.One of the central points in Armstrong's feud with LeMond is that he DID use EPO when it got hot back in the early 90's.
I think he was also openly accused of being on other types of drugs in the French press, but that may have just been Armstrong.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31164596</id>
	<title>No way!</title>
	<author>TangoMargarine</author>
	<datestamp>1266340020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The French accusing an American Tour de France champion of doping?!</htmltext>
<tokenext>The French accusing an American Tour de France champion of doping ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The French accusing an American Tour de France champion of doping?
!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31156080</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266341160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>the David Millar route: Admin, Aplogize, help reform</p></div></blockquote><p>David Millar went into IT?  The poor bastard.</p></div>
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<tokenext>the David Millar route : Admin , Aplogize , help reformDavid Millar went into IT ?
The poor bastard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the David Millar route: Admin, Aplogize, help reformDavid Millar went into IT?
The poor bastard.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154868</id>
	<title>Re:Warrant only applies to France</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266334320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>+1 for humor</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1 for humor</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+1 for humor</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31157146</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266345300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He didn't need any skills - everyone knows that French network stacks immediately surrender when a hacker comes knocking. Don't believe me? Switch your locale to fr\_FR and reboot... your box will be p0wn3d in minutes and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/sysconfig/iptables will be renamed to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/tmp/vichy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He did n't need any skills - everyone knows that French network stacks immediately surrender when a hacker comes knocking .
Do n't believe me ?
Switch your locale to fr \ _FR and reboot... your box will be p0wn3d in minutes and /etc/sysconfig/iptables will be renamed to /tmp/vichy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He didn't need any skills - everyone knows that French network stacks immediately surrender when a hacker comes knocking.
Don't believe me?
Switch your locale to fr\_FR and reboot... your box will be p0wn3d in minutes and /etc/sysconfig/iptables will be renamed to /tmp/vichy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154780</id>
	<title>Re:What a concept!</title>
	<author>xaxa</author>
	<datestamp>1266333720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That stereotype is overrated.</p><p>I cycle about 15km a day (5500km a year), which is mostly to and from work, plus going to places at weekends. I weigh ~60kg, which puts me on the lower end of "healthy weight" for my height. One of my IT colleagues rows regularly, another belongs to a football team, another goes to the gym most days. Many others cycle or walk to work. There are only a couple of people I'd consider overweight.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That stereotype is overrated.I cycle about 15km a day ( 5500km a year ) , which is mostly to and from work , plus going to places at weekends .
I weigh ~ 60kg , which puts me on the lower end of " healthy weight " for my height .
One of my IT colleagues rows regularly , another belongs to a football team , another goes to the gym most days .
Many others cycle or walk to work .
There are only a couple of people I 'd consider overweight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That stereotype is overrated.I cycle about 15km a day (5500km a year), which is mostly to and from work, plus going to places at weekends.
I weigh ~60kg, which puts me on the lower end of "healthy weight" for my height.
One of my IT colleagues rows regularly, another belongs to a football team, another goes to the gym most days.
Many others cycle or walk to work.
There are only a couple of people I'd consider overweight.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31157542</id>
	<title>Re:Warrant only applies to France</title>
	<author>Buelldozer</author>
	<datestamp>1266346620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So they found something in 4 of 7 B samples. They found NOTHING in 7 of 7 A samples.</p><p>Sounds like the test is bullshit. Results appear non-repeatable with identical samples.</p><p>That's not Science, it's a witch hunt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So they found something in 4 of 7 B samples .
They found NOTHING in 7 of 7 A samples.Sounds like the test is bullshit .
Results appear non-repeatable with identical samples.That 's not Science , it 's a witch hunt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they found something in 4 of 7 B samples.
They found NOTHING in 7 of 7 A samples.Sounds like the test is bullshit.
Results appear non-repeatable with identical samples.That's not Science, it's a witch hunt.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154652</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154734</id>
	<title>No Tour champion involved in the article</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266333300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Tour champion? Last time I checked it was Oscar Pereiro who won the Tour in 2006.

"Blonde mennonite rider on testosterone accused of hacking" would be truer, and more commercial.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tour champion ?
Last time I checked it was Oscar Pereiro who won the Tour in 2006 .
" Blonde mennonite rider on testosterone accused of hacking " would be truer , and more commercial .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tour champion?
Last time I checked it was Oscar Pereiro who won the Tour in 2006.
"Blonde mennonite rider on testosterone accused of hacking" would be truer, and more commercial.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154420</id>
	<title>abnormally elevated</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266331020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess his privileges was elevated as well then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess his privileges was elevated as well then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess his privileges was elevated as well then.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31157322</id>
	<title>Re:What a concept!</title>
	<author>Corbets</author>
	<datestamp>1266345900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That stereotype is overrated.</p><p>I cycle about 15km a day (5500km a year), which is mostly to and from work, plus going to places at weekends. I weigh ~60kg, which puts me on the lower end of "healthy weight" for my height. One of my IT colleagues rows regularly, another belongs to a football team, another goes to the gym most days. Many others cycle or walk to work. There are only a couple of people I'd consider overweight.</p></div><p>I can only assume that you're American and that your relative tolerances for "overweight" are skewed as compared to the rest of the world.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That stereotype is overrated.I cycle about 15km a day ( 5500km a year ) , which is mostly to and from work , plus going to places at weekends .
I weigh ~ 60kg , which puts me on the lower end of " healthy weight " for my height .
One of my IT colleagues rows regularly , another belongs to a football team , another goes to the gym most days .
Many others cycle or walk to work .
There are only a couple of people I 'd consider overweight.I can only assume that you 're American and that your relative tolerances for " overweight " are skewed as compared to the rest of the world .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That stereotype is overrated.I cycle about 15km a day (5500km a year), which is mostly to and from work, plus going to places at weekends.
I weigh ~60kg, which puts me on the lower end of "healthy weight" for my height.
One of my IT colleagues rows regularly, another belongs to a football team, another goes to the gym most days.
Many others cycle or walk to work.
There are only a couple of people I'd consider overweight.I can only assume that you're American and that your relative tolerances for "overweight" are skewed as compared to the rest of the world.
:)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154370</id>
	<title>Landis is not the "Tour de France Champion"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266330540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He's not a TdF champion, he's a cheat who had his medal withdrawn. The guy who finished 2nd, Oscar Pereiro, is now officially the winner.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's not a TdF champion , he 's a cheat who had his medal withdrawn .
The guy who finished 2nd , Oscar Pereiro , is now officially the winner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's not a TdF champion, he's a cheat who had his medal withdrawn.
The guy who finished 2nd, Oscar Pereiro, is now officially the winner.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154448</id>
	<title>Smokescreen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266331200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The quality of the lab's work is in question, as well as the chain of evidence and the behavior of the testing and adjudication process. This is an effort to draw the light away from the French bungling of matter. I doubt Landis himself did anything but that doesn't mean somebody didn't do something on his behalf and without his knowledge. Perhaps he did know, in which case he needs to study the Presidency of Ronald Reagan as regards "plausible deniability." President Reagan wrote the book on that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The quality of the lab 's work is in question , as well as the chain of evidence and the behavior of the testing and adjudication process .
This is an effort to draw the light away from the French bungling of matter .
I doubt Landis himself did anything but that does n't mean somebody did n't do something on his behalf and without his knowledge .
Perhaps he did know , in which case he needs to study the Presidency of Ronald Reagan as regards " plausible deniability .
" President Reagan wrote the book on that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The quality of the lab's work is in question, as well as the chain of evidence and the behavior of the testing and adjudication process.
This is an effort to draw the light away from the French bungling of matter.
I doubt Landis himself did anything but that doesn't mean somebody didn't do something on his behalf and without his knowledge.
Perhaps he did know, in which case he needs to study the Presidency of Ronald Reagan as regards "plausible deniability.
" President Reagan wrote the book on that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154592</id>
	<title>Re:What a concept!</title>
	<author>Wiarumas</author>
	<datestamp>1266332460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This has movie potential.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This has movie potential .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has movie potential.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31156024</id>
	<title>I can't wait to see this warrant goes to Interpol</title>
	<author>ub3r n3u7r4l1st</author>
	<datestamp>1266340800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and see the fireworks goes off!</p><p>Come on, the German has conquered Paris in ONE week during World War II.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and see the fireworks goes off ! Come on , the German has conquered Paris in ONE week during World War II .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and see the fireworks goes off!Come on, the German has conquered Paris in ONE week during World War II.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154424</id>
	<title>Can anyone fill the gaps in the story for me?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266331020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This particular quote got me confused, because "hacked files" can both mean "illegally changed files" or "illegally obtained files":</p><p><div class="quote"><p>"Landis used the hacked files for his defense, that's how we discovered the whole scheme," Bordry said. "He wanted to show that the lab made mistakes in the handling of the tests."</p></div><p>Supposing this is true, what does that mean, exactly? That Landis adulterated results in a scheme to fake his innocence or that the flaws that he exposed were genuine mistakes but discovered by him through illegal means?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This particular quote got me confused , because " hacked files " can both mean " illegally changed files " or " illegally obtained files " : " Landis used the hacked files for his defense , that 's how we discovered the whole scheme , " Bordry said .
" He wanted to show that the lab made mistakes in the handling of the tests .
" Supposing this is true , what does that mean , exactly ?
That Landis adulterated results in a scheme to fake his innocence or that the flaws that he exposed were genuine mistakes but discovered by him through illegal means ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This particular quote got me confused, because "hacked files" can both mean "illegally changed files" or "illegally obtained files":"Landis used the hacked files for his defense, that's how we discovered the whole scheme," Bordry said.
"He wanted to show that the lab made mistakes in the handling of the tests.
"Supposing this is true, what does that mean, exactly?
That Landis adulterated results in a scheme to fake his innocence or that the flaws that he exposed were genuine mistakes but discovered by him through illegal means?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155042</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266335400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amazingly, LeMond is the only Tour winner in the last 25+ years not implicated in a doping scandel. I grew up about 30miles east of where Landis did and I'm an avid cyclist. I was very upset when news of his positive test came out, even more upset in the years since due to his continued denials. Sure the lab made some procedural mistakes, but in the end, he had artificial steroids in his system. Had taken the David Millar route: Admin, Aplogize, help reform.. I'd welcome him. Had he gone the Kohl route, admit and retire, I'd have respected him.. Now I just wish he'd shut up and go away, but I hear he may sign with Rock Racing, another group of folks I wish would go away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amazingly , LeMond is the only Tour winner in the last 25 + years not implicated in a doping scandel .
I grew up about 30miles east of where Landis did and I 'm an avid cyclist .
I was very upset when news of his positive test came out , even more upset in the years since due to his continued denials .
Sure the lab made some procedural mistakes , but in the end , he had artificial steroids in his system .
Had taken the David Millar route : Admin , Aplogize , help reform.. I 'd welcome him .
Had he gone the Kohl route , admit and retire , I 'd have respected him.. Now I just wish he 'd shut up and go away , but I hear he may sign with Rock Racing , another group of folks I wish would go away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amazingly, LeMond is the only Tour winner in the last 25+ years not implicated in a doping scandel.
I grew up about 30miles east of where Landis did and I'm an avid cyclist.
I was very upset when news of his positive test came out, even more upset in the years since due to his continued denials.
Sure the lab made some procedural mistakes, but in the end, he had artificial steroids in his system.
Had taken the David Millar route: Admin, Aplogize, help reform.. I'd welcome him.
Had he gone the Kohl route, admit and retire, I'd have respected him.. Now I just wish he'd shut up and go away, but I hear he may sign with Rock Racing, another group of folks I wish would go away.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154638</id>
	<title>Landis made a bad decision</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266332760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Doping himself was unforgivable.  Now if he had doped a young girl and then raped her, the French would be celebrating him as a hero.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Doping himself was unforgivable .
Now if he had doped a young girl and then raped her , the French would be celebrating him as a hero .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doping himself was unforgivable.
Now if he had doped a young girl and then raped her, the French would be celebrating him as a hero.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31156196</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266341820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b>Landis failed a doping test.</b></p><p>After passing a few and he even passed a few after the failed test. Bizarre</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Landis failed a doping test.After passing a few and he even passed a few after the failed test .
Bizarre</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Landis failed a doping test.After passing a few and he even passed a few after the failed test.
Bizarre</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31160062</id>
	<title>Re:Champion?</title>
	<author>Rakarra</author>
	<datestamp>1266314100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If it was the case that Landis was gifted with Merckx/Antequil like engine, he would have returned to crushing fields in American races.  This didn't happen. Not even close. This is strong evidence he was using PED's.</p></div><p>Umm, no, it is strong speculation. It is no evidence of any kind.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it was the case that Landis was gifted with Merckx/Antequil like engine , he would have returned to crushing fields in American races .
This did n't happen .
Not even close .
This is strong evidence he was using PED 's.Umm , no , it is strong speculation .
It is no evidence of any kind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it was the case that Landis was gifted with Merckx/Antequil like engine, he would have returned to crushing fields in American races.
This didn't happen.
Not even close.
This is strong evidence he was using PED's.Umm, no, it is strong speculation.
It is no evidence of any kind.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154960</id>
	<title>Seeking to question, so make an arrest?</title>
	<author>Infiniti2000</author>
	<datestamp>1266334860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess I'm a little confused about the French laws and I'm hoping someone can help.  They issued an arrest warrant because "Judge Thomas Cassuto<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... is seeking to question Landis...."  In the U.S. you don't issue an arrest warrant simply to question someone, do you?  Maybe I'm just a little confused about the legal terminology, but I doubt I'm the only one.  Some searches didn't really prove fruitful (they actually seem to support my view regarding the U.S.).</p><p>So, do the French actually file charges against Landis as part of the warrant or does it simply mean they plan to detain him for questioning and then let him go?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess I 'm a little confused about the French laws and I 'm hoping someone can help .
They issued an arrest warrant because " Judge Thomas Cassuto ... is seeking to question Landis.... " In the U.S. you do n't issue an arrest warrant simply to question someone , do you ?
Maybe I 'm just a little confused about the legal terminology , but I doubt I 'm the only one .
Some searches did n't really prove fruitful ( they actually seem to support my view regarding the U.S. ) .So , do the French actually file charges against Landis as part of the warrant or does it simply mean they plan to detain him for questioning and then let him go ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess I'm a little confused about the French laws and I'm hoping someone can help.
They issued an arrest warrant because "Judge Thomas Cassuto ... is seeking to question Landis...."  In the U.S. you don't issue an arrest warrant simply to question someone, do you?
Maybe I'm just a little confused about the legal terminology, but I doubt I'm the only one.
Some searches didn't really prove fruitful (they actually seem to support my view regarding the U.S.).So, do the French actually file charges against Landis as part of the warrant or does it simply mean they plan to detain him for questioning and then let him go?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155514</id>
	<title>Re:What a concept!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266337920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, but can they hack? See, you are probably one of those "worthless" IT employee's who is unable to actually code his way out of a paper sack. You get by with copypasta and a little logical thinking; maybe work as a bug maintainer or with the OS/Hardware side of things. The reason you find "hackers" and the elite of programmers overweight and socially inverted is because all they do is study. They don't have the extra time to ride there bike to work or going rowwing on the weekends. They'd rather be studying the latest OBSD manual and the current repository (but will never actually finish a project). These are your elites and they are more useless then you are.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , but can they hack ?
See , you are probably one of those " worthless " IT employee 's who is unable to actually code his way out of a paper sack .
You get by with copypasta and a little logical thinking ; maybe work as a bug maintainer or with the OS/Hardware side of things .
The reason you find " hackers " and the elite of programmers overweight and socially inverted is because all they do is study .
They do n't have the extra time to ride there bike to work or going rowwing on the weekends .
They 'd rather be studying the latest OBSD manual and the current repository ( but will never actually finish a project ) .
These are your elites and they are more useless then you are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, but can they hack?
See, you are probably one of those "worthless" IT employee's who is unable to actually code his way out of a paper sack.
You get by with copypasta and a little logical thinking; maybe work as a bug maintainer or with the OS/Hardware side of things.
The reason you find "hackers" and the elite of programmers overweight and socially inverted is because all they do is study.
They don't have the extra time to ride there bike to work or going rowwing on the weekends.
They'd rather be studying the latest OBSD manual and the current repository (but will never actually finish a project).
These are your elites and they are more useless then you are.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154780</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155926</id>
	<title>Re:Hacking cyclists?</title>
	<author>smd75</author>
	<datestamp>1266340320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh come on, an american who doesnt understand the concept of something other than baseball and football?</p><p>Dont comment, even anonymously, if you dont know shit about what youre talking about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh come on , an american who doesnt understand the concept of something other than baseball and football ? Dont comment , even anonymously , if you dont know shit about what youre talking about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh come on, an american who doesnt understand the concept of something other than baseball and football?Dont comment, even anonymously, if you dont know shit about what youre talking about.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154344</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155130</id>
	<title>Bull*hit</title>
	<author>h.ross.perot</author>
	<datestamp>1266335880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>.. everyone knows Lance is the better HaKrz.

But on a serious note; why can the cycling world and especially the French accept the fact that riders from all over the world; not just the French are top level athletes.

Lance is the man; and I am afraid the French can't stand the FACT he is an exceptional athlete. Sad they have to take it out on the entire USA team.

No French Fries today; thank you. I'll have Sauerkraut.</htmltext>
<tokenext>.. everyone knows Lance is the better HaKrz .
But on a serious note ; why can the cycling world and especially the French accept the fact that riders from all over the world ; not just the French are top level athletes .
Lance is the man ; and I am afraid the French ca n't stand the FACT he is an exceptional athlete .
Sad they have to take it out on the entire USA team .
No French Fries today ; thank you .
I 'll have Sauerkraut .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.. everyone knows Lance is the better HaKrz.
But on a serious note; why can the cycling world and especially the French accept the fact that riders from all over the world; not just the French are top level athletes.
Lance is the man; and I am afraid the French can't stand the FACT he is an exceptional athlete.
Sad they have to take it out on the entire USA team.
No French Fries today; thank you.
I'll have Sauerkraut.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155294</id>
	<title>Re:What a concept!</title>
	<author>tibman</author>
	<datestamp>1266336720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>oh god, talk about reasons to drink.  The worst is when you check the console before bed and see it crapped out and died on the 2nd package of 400.  rage!</p><p>I'm an idiot and have been attempting to replace puppy on my tablet with Gentoo.  Even with distcc (distributed compiling) it is a painfully slow process.  But fun<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)  Xorg and hal aren't getting along and i'm still mostly experienced with xf86 style configs : /</p><p>For the record, i'm only a neckbeard on long weekends and vacation time.  170 lbs at 70" (an imperial bastard).  Former US Army CavScout and maybe rejoining again... maybe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>oh god , talk about reasons to drink .
The worst is when you check the console before bed and see it crapped out and died on the 2nd package of 400. rage ! I 'm an idiot and have been attempting to replace puppy on my tablet with Gentoo .
Even with distcc ( distributed compiling ) it is a painfully slow process .
But fun : ) Xorg and hal are n't getting along and i 'm still mostly experienced with xf86 style configs : /For the record , i 'm only a neckbeard on long weekends and vacation time .
170 lbs at 70 " ( an imperial bastard ) .
Former US Army CavScout and maybe rejoining again... maybe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>oh god, talk about reasons to drink.
The worst is when you check the console before bed and see it crapped out and died on the 2nd package of 400.  rage!I'm an idiot and have been attempting to replace puppy on my tablet with Gentoo.
Even with distcc (distributed compiling) it is a painfully slow process.
But fun :)  Xorg and hal aren't getting along and i'm still mostly experienced with xf86 style configs : /For the record, i'm only a neckbeard on long weekends and vacation time.
170 lbs at 70" (an imperial bastard).
Former US Army CavScout and maybe rejoining again... maybe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155508</id>
	<title>obviously..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266337860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..not hackers</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..not hackers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..not hackers</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154466</id>
	<title>Re:Warrant only applies to France</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266331440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah, the French. They are always very 'proud' of their cyclists. So prideful that they actually will destroy somebody's career in order to have a 'frenchman' win or at the top.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , the French .
They are always very 'proud ' of their cyclists .
So prideful that they actually will destroy somebody 's career in order to have a 'frenchman ' win or at the top .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, the French.
They are always very 'proud' of their cyclists.
So prideful that they actually will destroy somebody's career in order to have a 'frenchman' win or at the top.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155644</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>stand</author>
	<datestamp>1266338700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I also grew up in a Mennonite family and am now a software developer. My father grew up in a much more traditional Mennonite community in Saskatchewan and is very computer savvy. One of the things you have to realize is that a lot of Mennonites are farmers. Farmers are some of the biggest gadgetry geeks there are.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I also grew up in a Mennonite family and am now a software developer .
My father grew up in a much more traditional Mennonite community in Saskatchewan and is very computer savvy .
One of the things you have to realize is that a lot of Mennonites are farmers .
Farmers are some of the biggest gadgetry geeks there are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also grew up in a Mennonite family and am now a software developer.
My father grew up in a much more traditional Mennonite community in Saskatchewan and is very computer savvy.
One of the things you have to realize is that a lot of Mennonites are farmers.
Farmers are some of the biggest gadgetry geeks there are.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31156764</id>
	<title>Re:Warrant only applies to France</title>
	<author>A nonymous Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1266344040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, 3/4 of the samples showed nothing, 1/4 showed something.  Sounds to me like a really crappy test to be that inconsistent.  75\% of your evidence says innocent, so you take the 25\% which says guilty.  Makes all the sense in the world to people with a grudge who want evidence to match their preconceived notions of who to blame.  With others who want to use evidence to find the guilty, not so much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , 3/4 of the samples showed nothing , 1/4 showed something .
Sounds to me like a really crappy test to be that inconsistent .
75 \ % of your evidence says innocent , so you take the 25 \ % which says guilty .
Makes all the sense in the world to people with a grudge who want evidence to match their preconceived notions of who to blame .
With others who want to use evidence to find the guilty , not so much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, 3/4 of the samples showed nothing, 1/4 showed something.
Sounds to me like a really crappy test to be that inconsistent.
75\% of your evidence says innocent, so you take the 25\% which says guilty.
Makes all the sense in the world to people with a grudge who want evidence to match their preconceived notions of who to blame.
With others who want to use evidence to find the guilty, not so much.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155374</id>
	<title>Re:What a concept!</title>
	<author>ascari</author>
	<datestamp>1266337200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Good news! The stereotype is back on track: I haven't seen a bicycle in years, drag my ass to work as late as possible, and play WoW on weekend until I pass out. My IT colleagues weigh even more than I do and take even fewer showers. All have SUVs. The only skinny guy around here is the one with the oxygen tank, but he won't last long.
</p><p>
Seriously now, it takes more than a single piece of anecdotal evidence to kill a stereotype! Good thing you're an IT guy and not a statistician.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good news !
The stereotype is back on track : I have n't seen a bicycle in years , drag my ass to work as late as possible , and play WoW on weekend until I pass out .
My IT colleagues weigh even more than I do and take even fewer showers .
All have SUVs .
The only skinny guy around here is the one with the oxygen tank , but he wo n't last long .
Seriously now , it takes more than a single piece of anecdotal evidence to kill a stereotype !
Good thing you 're an IT guy and not a statistician .
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Good news!
The stereotype is back on track: I haven't seen a bicycle in years, drag my ass to work as late as possible, and play WoW on weekend until I pass out.
My IT colleagues weigh even more than I do and take even fewer showers.
All have SUVs.
The only skinny guy around here is the one with the oxygen tank, but he won't last long.
Seriously now, it takes more than a single piece of anecdotal evidence to kill a stereotype!
Good thing you're an IT guy and not a statistician.
;-)
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155104</id>
	<title>Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite</title>
	<author>JamesP</author>
	<datestamp>1266335760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nothing says 'I'm on steroids' better than testicular cancer...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing says 'I 'm on steroids ' better than testicular cancer.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing says 'I'm on steroids' better than testicular cancer...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155304</id>
	<title>Zinedine Zidane</title>
	<author>ub3r n3u7r4l1st</author>
	<datestamp>1266336780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>headbutted his mom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>headbutted his mom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>headbutted his mom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155478</id>
	<title>Re:Warrant only applies to France</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1266337740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is why everybody hates the french, they are very arrogant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why everybody hates the french , they are very arrogant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why everybody hates the french, they are very arrogant.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31160106</id>
	<title>Re:Landis made a bad decision</title>
	<author>Rakarra</author>
	<datestamp>1266314280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please mod this "+1, sad but true."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please mod this " + 1 , sad but true .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please mod this "+1, sad but true.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154354</id>
	<title>Champion?</title>
	<author>unixcrab</author>
	<datestamp>1266330300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why does the heading refer to him as a champion?
He is no champion. He cheated and had lost the medal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does the heading refer to him as a champion ?
He is no champion .
He cheated and had lost the medal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does the heading refer to him as a champion?
He is no champion.
He cheated and had lost the medal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31156158</id>
	<title>Facts, Facts, Facts</title>
	<author>mpapet</author>
	<datestamp>1266341520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Noone gets to appeal this decision in court.</i><br>Yes, they do.  It's called the CAS.  Court Arbitration for Sport (or something like that)</p><p><i>several riders are kicked out of the race and stripped of any stage victories after failing a doping test. </i><br>They do this differently now.  They let the race finish, then kick them out of whatever results they had for the race.  No one is paying attention after the last stage.</p><p><i>the winner failing a drug test smeared the reputation of the tour even further.</i><br>Landis just got caught.  Previous Tour winners have admitted to systematic performance enhancing drug (PED) use. (Riis)  It's important to note, the tests are nowhere near perfect and are subject to a great deal of political interference.  For example, how is it Marion Jones who started systematically using PED at 16 (16!)  was never caught.  I'd argue it was a combination of poor testing and USA Track and Field.  At the top of any given sport, it's a very small community.  In Jones' case you are telling me visits to BALCO resulting in fantastical improvements wasn't widely known?</p><p>Stage racers have bad days.  It is  unlikely that one bad day can be followed by a heroic, **crush** the field, ride the next day.  PED's make it very likely.</p><p><i>The doping tests are a huge invasion of privacy, </i><br>In exchange for getting paid to ride *very* nice bikes, you have to pee in a cup.  I'd take that trade.  It's not an invasion of privacy.  The basic point is MANY athletes will cheat given the opportunity.  And many cyclists were cheating a whole lot.  They still do.  So, the consequences are, every Pro Tour rider pees in a cup.</p><p><i>Now the question whether this treatment professional cyclists get is fair is another matter</i><br>The back story here is EPO use in cycling was extreme.  <a href="http://www.sportsscientists.com/2009/02/cyclist-dies-in-sleep.html" title="sportsscientists.com">http://www.sportsscientists.com/2009/02/cyclist-dies-in-sleep.html</a> [sportsscientists.com]  Cycling got what was coming to them.  Given the Olympics are going on, one has to wonder what PED's the cross-country skiers/biathletes have.  Same kind of performance demands as cycling.  Hopefully, other sports like biathlon have done their walk of shame already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Noone gets to appeal this decision in court.Yes , they do .
It 's called the CAS .
Court Arbitration for Sport ( or something like that ) several riders are kicked out of the race and stripped of any stage victories after failing a doping test .
They do this differently now .
They let the race finish , then kick them out of whatever results they had for the race .
No one is paying attention after the last stage.the winner failing a drug test smeared the reputation of the tour even further.Landis just got caught .
Previous Tour winners have admitted to systematic performance enhancing drug ( PED ) use .
( Riis ) It 's important to note , the tests are nowhere near perfect and are subject to a great deal of political interference .
For example , how is it Marion Jones who started systematically using PED at 16 ( 16 !
) was never caught .
I 'd argue it was a combination of poor testing and USA Track and Field .
At the top of any given sport , it 's a very small community .
In Jones ' case you are telling me visits to BALCO resulting in fantastical improvements was n't widely known ? Stage racers have bad days .
It is unlikely that one bad day can be followed by a heroic , * * crush * * the field , ride the next day .
PED 's make it very likely.The doping tests are a huge invasion of privacy , In exchange for getting paid to ride * very * nice bikes , you have to pee in a cup .
I 'd take that trade .
It 's not an invasion of privacy .
The basic point is MANY athletes will cheat given the opportunity .
And many cyclists were cheating a whole lot .
They still do .
So , the consequences are , every Pro Tour rider pees in a cup.Now the question whether this treatment professional cyclists get is fair is another matterThe back story here is EPO use in cycling was extreme .
http : //www.sportsscientists.com/2009/02/cyclist-dies-in-sleep.html [ sportsscientists.com ] Cycling got what was coming to them .
Given the Olympics are going on , one has to wonder what PED 's the cross-country skiers/biathletes have .
Same kind of performance demands as cycling .
Hopefully , other sports like biathlon have done their walk of shame already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Noone gets to appeal this decision in court.Yes, they do.
It's called the CAS.
Court Arbitration for Sport (or something like that)several riders are kicked out of the race and stripped of any stage victories after failing a doping test.
They do this differently now.
They let the race finish, then kick them out of whatever results they had for the race.
No one is paying attention after the last stage.the winner failing a drug test smeared the reputation of the tour even further.Landis just got caught.
Previous Tour winners have admitted to systematic performance enhancing drug (PED) use.
(Riis)  It's important to note, the tests are nowhere near perfect and are subject to a great deal of political interference.
For example, how is it Marion Jones who started systematically using PED at 16 (16!
)  was never caught.
I'd argue it was a combination of poor testing and USA Track and Field.
At the top of any given sport, it's a very small community.
In Jones' case you are telling me visits to BALCO resulting in fantastical improvements wasn't widely known?Stage racers have bad days.
It is  unlikely that one bad day can be followed by a heroic, **crush** the field, ride the next day.
PED's make it very likely.The doping tests are a huge invasion of privacy, In exchange for getting paid to ride *very* nice bikes, you have to pee in a cup.
I'd take that trade.
It's not an invasion of privacy.
The basic point is MANY athletes will cheat given the opportunity.
And many cyclists were cheating a whole lot.
They still do.
So, the consequences are, every Pro Tour rider pees in a cup.Now the question whether this treatment professional cyclists get is fair is another matterThe back story here is EPO use in cycling was extreme.
http://www.sportsscientists.com/2009/02/cyclist-dies-in-sleep.html [sportsscientists.com]  Cycling got what was coming to them.
Given the Olympics are going on, one has to wonder what PED's the cross-country skiers/biathletes have.
Same kind of performance demands as cycling.
Hopefully, other sports like biathlon have done their walk of shame already.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154580</id>
	<title>Re:Warrant only applies to France</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266332460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Ah, the French. They are always very 'proud' of their cyclists. So prideful that they actually will destroy somebody's career in order to have a 'frenchman' win or at the top.</p></div><p>You xenophobic idiot.  Last time a frenchman won the tour de France was in 1985 - that's 25 years ago.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , the French .
They are always very 'proud ' of their cyclists .
So prideful that they actually will destroy somebody 's career in order to have a 'frenchman ' win or at the top.You xenophobic idiot .
Last time a frenchman won the tour de France was in 1985 - that 's 25 years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, the French.
They are always very 'proud' of their cyclists.
So prideful that they actually will destroy somebody's career in order to have a 'frenchman' win or at the top.You xenophobic idiot.
Last time a frenchman won the tour de France was in 1985 - that's 25 years ago.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154344</id>
	<title>Hacking cyclists?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266330240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh come on, a hacking cyclist? Everyone knows professional cyclists are even dumber than professional soccer players. The French just can't stand loosing from Yanks, look at all the allegations they made against Lance Armstromg.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh come on , a hacking cyclist ?
Everyone knows professional cyclists are even dumber than professional soccer players .
The French just ca n't stand loosing from Yanks , look at all the allegations they made against Lance Armstromg .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh come on, a hacking cyclist?
Everyone knows professional cyclists are even dumber than professional soccer players.
The French just can't stand loosing from Yanks, look at all the allegations they made against Lance Armstromg.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31157250</id>
	<title>Re:Top Cyclists are pretty smart.</title>
	<author>MrCrassic</author>
	<datestamp>1266345600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Being "smart" in a race is quite different from being "smart" overall. I know for a fact that there are quite a few accomplished cyclists (domestically) who are also accomplished in their careers. (When I was racing for my school, the kid who was top of our conference was a Princeton student, raced for Time professionally and was working on marketing bamboo bikes; wonder how he's doing with that.). However, from what I've read, the history of cycling in Europe, where most of the determining races are held, is that cycling is, and has historically been, a sport for the poor. In fact, most ProTour teams are comprised of college-age folks who had to drop out of school to ride.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Being " smart " in a race is quite different from being " smart " overall .
I know for a fact that there are quite a few accomplished cyclists ( domestically ) who are also accomplished in their careers .
( When I was racing for my school , the kid who was top of our conference was a Princeton student , raced for Time professionally and was working on marketing bamboo bikes ; wonder how he 's doing with that. ) .
However , from what I 've read , the history of cycling in Europe , where most of the determining races are held , is that cycling is , and has historically been , a sport for the poor .
In fact , most ProTour teams are comprised of college-age folks who had to drop out of school to ride .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Being "smart" in a race is quite different from being "smart" overall.
I know for a fact that there are quite a few accomplished cyclists (domestically) who are also accomplished in their careers.
(When I was racing for my school, the kid who was top of our conference was a Princeton student, raced for Time professionally and was working on marketing bamboo bikes; wonder how he's doing with that.).
However, from what I've read, the history of cycling in Europe, where most of the determining races are held, is that cycling is, and has historically been, a sport for the poor.
In fact, most ProTour teams are comprised of college-age folks who had to drop out of school to ride.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154320</id>
	<title>What a concept!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266329940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>A hacker that doesn't weigh 250 lbs, doesn't live on Cheetohs, and actually exercises!</htmltext>
<tokenext>A hacker that does n't weigh 250 lbs , does n't live on Cheetohs , and actually exercises !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A hacker that doesn't weigh 250 lbs, doesn't live on Cheetohs, and actually exercises!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31162088</id>
	<title>Re:Warrant only applies to France</title>
	<author>Aneurysm</author>
	<datestamp>1266323760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Where do you see drug testing is carried out by rival teams?

During the off-season teams test their own cyclists and will somtimes dismiss cyclists based on this. Tom Boonen was caught by testing within his team.

Tour De France testing is centrally regulated, so if you hit the cycling big time then you need to hide it from doctors associated with no teams.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where do you see drug testing is carried out by rival teams ?
During the off-season teams test their own cyclists and will somtimes dismiss cyclists based on this .
Tom Boonen was caught by testing within his team .
Tour De France testing is centrally regulated , so if you hit the cycling big time then you need to hide it from doctors associated with no teams .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where do you see drug testing is carried out by rival teams?
During the off-season teams test their own cyclists and will somtimes dismiss cyclists based on this.
Tom Boonen was caught by testing within his team.
Tour De France testing is centrally regulated, so if you hit the cycling big time then you need to hide it from doctors associated with no teams.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31154876</id>
	<title>Re:Warrant only applies to France</title>
	<author>teslar</author>
	<datestamp>1266334380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hasn't it been like 25 years since the last Frenchman (Hinault) won the Tour De France?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Has n't it been like 25 years since the last Frenchman ( Hinault ) won the Tour De France ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hasn't it been like 25 years since the last Frenchman (Hinault) won the Tour De France?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_0230255.31155904</id>
	<title>The case for Landis</title>
	<author>alop</author>
	<datestamp>1266340260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an IT professional, I have a different view on the matter.<br>1) We all know that the vast majority of security incidents occur from within an organization<br>2) If you're looking at data, and 1 sample is far beyond the standard deviation, you toss out that 1 data point.<br>3) If you don't follow manufacturers requirements, you do not get support, and YMMV with that equipment.<br>4) You use unique ID numbers to associate different data entries</p><p>What does this have to do with Landis?<br>1) The time stamps on the datafiles used in the case against him have differing creation dates and modification dates. This was after the initial red flag went off<br>2) The SOP for the T/E test specified that a sample outside the standard deviation of 4 was unacceptable. Landis sample B was 14:1... Had they been following their own SOP, they would have tossed this result as erroneous<br>3) The computer used to interface with the lab equipment ran OS/2, but the manufacturer of the lab equipment had only certified the machine against Windows.<br>4) The samples used in the case against Landis had a different ID number than Landis.</p><p>This whole case just illustrated the level of incompetence at the lab. To this day, I wholeheartedly believe that Floyd Landis won the 2006 TDF. Not because I'm naive, but because the case against him was so flawed. Had this been held in a US Criminal court, it would have been thrown out. But the WADA doesn't follow a typical court model, nor does the Court of Arbitration for Sport.</p><p>In regards to the stage in question. Landis was one of the first to race with a power meter, not just in training, but in the race. He had realtime numbers on his wattage output. He was able to determine that his effort was within his limits based off his training. Also, he used a huge quantity of water, but only drank a small portion of it (this is shown on the footage). He actively worked to keep his core temperature down by pouring something like 14 water bottles over himself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an IT professional , I have a different view on the matter.1 ) We all know that the vast majority of security incidents occur from within an organization2 ) If you 're looking at data , and 1 sample is far beyond the standard deviation , you toss out that 1 data point.3 ) If you do n't follow manufacturers requirements , you do not get support , and YMMV with that equipment.4 ) You use unique ID numbers to associate different data entriesWhat does this have to do with Landis ? 1 ) The time stamps on the datafiles used in the case against him have differing creation dates and modification dates .
This was after the initial red flag went off2 ) The SOP for the T/E test specified that a sample outside the standard deviation of 4 was unacceptable .
Landis sample B was 14 : 1... Had they been following their own SOP , they would have tossed this result as erroneous3 ) The computer used to interface with the lab equipment ran OS/2 , but the manufacturer of the lab equipment had only certified the machine against Windows.4 ) The samples used in the case against Landis had a different ID number than Landis.This whole case just illustrated the level of incompetence at the lab .
To this day , I wholeheartedly believe that Floyd Landis won the 2006 TDF .
Not because I 'm naive , but because the case against him was so flawed .
Had this been held in a US Criminal court , it would have been thrown out .
But the WADA does n't follow a typical court model , nor does the Court of Arbitration for Sport.In regards to the stage in question .
Landis was one of the first to race with a power meter , not just in training , but in the race .
He had realtime numbers on his wattage output .
He was able to determine that his effort was within his limits based off his training .
Also , he used a huge quantity of water , but only drank a small portion of it ( this is shown on the footage ) .
He actively worked to keep his core temperature down by pouring something like 14 water bottles over himself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an IT professional, I have a different view on the matter.1) We all know that the vast majority of security incidents occur from within an organization2) If you're looking at data, and 1 sample is far beyond the standard deviation, you toss out that 1 data point.3) If you don't follow manufacturers requirements, you do not get support, and YMMV with that equipment.4) You use unique ID numbers to associate different data entriesWhat does this have to do with Landis?1) The time stamps on the datafiles used in the case against him have differing creation dates and modification dates.
This was after the initial red flag went off2) The SOP for the T/E test specified that a sample outside the standard deviation of 4 was unacceptable.
Landis sample B was 14:1... Had they been following their own SOP, they would have tossed this result as erroneous3) The computer used to interface with the lab equipment ran OS/2, but the manufacturer of the lab equipment had only certified the machine against Windows.4) The samples used in the case against Landis had a different ID number than Landis.This whole case just illustrated the level of incompetence at the lab.
To this day, I wholeheartedly believe that Floyd Landis won the 2006 TDF.
Not because I'm naive, but because the case against him was so flawed.
Had this been held in a US Criminal court, it would have been thrown out.
But the WADA doesn't follow a typical court model, nor does the Court of Arbitration for Sport.In regards to the stage in question.
Landis was one of the first to race with a power meter, not just in training, but in the race.
He had realtime numbers on his wattage output.
He was able to determine that his effort was within his limits based off his training.
Also, he used a huge quantity of water, but only drank a small portion of it (this is shown on the footage).
He actively worked to keep his core temperature down by pouring something like 14 water bottles over himself.</sentencetext>
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