<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_13_161242</id>
	<title>A Printer That Uses No Consumables</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1266080820000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>jimboh2k sends word of a printer introduced by Japanese company Sanwa Newtec, called the PrePeat RP-3100 (a play on "repeat"). It prints on A4-sized sheets of PET plastic, and these <a href="http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/02/08/toner-ink-and-paperless-printer-video/">sheets can be reused up to 1,000 times</a>, the company says. The printer uses heat transfer technology rather than ink, and so has no consumables. There's a video of the printer in operation at the link. The PrePeat costs about $5,600 and a supply of 1,000 plastic sheets will set you back another $3,300. However, the company gives a use case in which a corporation <a href="http://www.sanwa-newtec.co.jp/english/products/rp\_print\_e.html#cost">saves $7,360 per year</a> on consumables, as well as putting less CO2 into the atmosphere. So far the PrePeat is available only in Japan.</htmltext>
<tokenext>jimboh2k sends word of a printer introduced by Japanese company Sanwa Newtec , called the PrePeat RP-3100 ( a play on " repeat " ) .
It prints on A4-sized sheets of PET plastic , and these sheets can be reused up to 1,000 times , the company says .
The printer uses heat transfer technology rather than ink , and so has no consumables .
There 's a video of the printer in operation at the link .
The PrePeat costs about $ 5,600 and a supply of 1,000 plastic sheets will set you back another $ 3,300 .
However , the company gives a use case in which a corporation saves $ 7,360 per year on consumables , as well as putting less CO2 into the atmosphere .
So far the PrePeat is available only in Japan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>jimboh2k sends word of a printer introduced by Japanese company Sanwa Newtec, called the PrePeat RP-3100 (a play on "repeat").
It prints on A4-sized sheets of PET plastic, and these sheets can be reused up to 1,000 times, the company says.
The printer uses heat transfer technology rather than ink, and so has no consumables.
There's a video of the printer in operation at the link.
The PrePeat costs about $5,600 and a supply of 1,000 plastic sheets will set you back another $3,300.
However, the company gives a use case in which a corporation saves $7,360 per year on consumables, as well as putting less CO2 into the atmosphere.
So far the PrePeat is available only in Japan.</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128566</id>
	<title>Re:Naysayers</title>
	<author>grumbel</author>
	<datestamp>1266088740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It kind of sounds interesting in theory, but I see two big issues. One is of course price, its way more expensive then just a laser printer and regular paper for a start. The other issue is simply user behavior, can you really train your users to behave well enough that a sheet survives anywhere near 1000 prints? Even 100 reprints sounds like a stretch, yet it is not enough to make it cheaper then paper. There are also use cases where its not clear how to handle them. What is if you want to mark something? What is when you want to bundle multiple pages? You can't just staple them. And so on.</p><p>An eBook reader sounds like a much better and cheaper alternative.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It kind of sounds interesting in theory , but I see two big issues .
One is of course price , its way more expensive then just a laser printer and regular paper for a start .
The other issue is simply user behavior , can you really train your users to behave well enough that a sheet survives anywhere near 1000 prints ?
Even 100 reprints sounds like a stretch , yet it is not enough to make it cheaper then paper .
There are also use cases where its not clear how to handle them .
What is if you want to mark something ?
What is when you want to bundle multiple pages ?
You ca n't just staple them .
And so on.An eBook reader sounds like a much better and cheaper alternative .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It kind of sounds interesting in theory, but I see two big issues.
One is of course price, its way more expensive then just a laser printer and regular paper for a start.
The other issue is simply user behavior, can you really train your users to behave well enough that a sheet survives anywhere near 1000 prints?
Even 100 reprints sounds like a stretch, yet it is not enough to make it cheaper then paper.
There are also use cases where its not clear how to handle them.
What is if you want to mark something?
What is when you want to bundle multiple pages?
You can't just staple them.
And so on.An eBook reader sounds like a much better and cheaper alternative.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128140</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128656</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah</title>
	<author>DallasMay</author>
	<datestamp>1266089340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't think office here. Think K-12 Education. As a teacher I make hundreds of copies each day. This could save school districts MILLIONS of dollars.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't think office here .
Think K-12 Education .
As a teacher I make hundreds of copies each day .
This could save school districts MILLIONS of dollars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't think office here.
Think K-12 Education.
As a teacher I make hundreds of copies each day.
This could save school districts MILLIONS of dollars.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128072</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31136812</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>mhajicek</author>
	<datestamp>1266140520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, but you can recycle.  For example, I use my old cars as drink coasters.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , but you can recycle .
For example , I use my old cars as drink coasters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, but you can recycle.
For example, I use my old cars as drink coasters.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128202</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31135072</id>
	<title>What do they mean no "consumaables"?!?</title>
	<author>ivi</author>
	<datestamp>1266169080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the prices, alone, I'd say this printer is a bu consumer of... cash...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the prices , alone , I 'd say this printer is a bu consumer of... cash... : -/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the prices, alone, I'd say this printer is a bu consumer of... cash... :-/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31129886</id>
	<title>Are Brains Engaged Today?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266055560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't believe all the dumb responses I've seen to this story (no offense to parent).</p><p>Every office I've ever worked in could use these printers.  See, humans have these things called "brains", and they can use them to discriminate between "casual, print then reuse paper" documents, and those that need to be retained for a long time, marked up, stapled, sent out of the office, etc.  If you have a color printer and a black and white printer in your office, and you're not making the equivalent judgments today, you're pretty unevolved.</p><p>Print on the "real paper" printer for some documents, use your "brain" to decide when to print on reusable plastic sheets.  It's not that hard.  The hostility to this product that I've seen in posts indicates the posters have other agendas.  Which would probably be best printed on this recyclable paper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't believe all the dumb responses I 've seen to this story ( no offense to parent ) .Every office I 've ever worked in could use these printers .
See , humans have these things called " brains " , and they can use them to discriminate between " casual , print then reuse paper " documents , and those that need to be retained for a long time , marked up , stapled , sent out of the office , etc .
If you have a color printer and a black and white printer in your office , and you 're not making the equivalent judgments today , you 're pretty unevolved.Print on the " real paper " printer for some documents , use your " brain " to decide when to print on reusable plastic sheets .
It 's not that hard .
The hostility to this product that I 've seen in posts indicates the posters have other agendas .
Which would probably be best printed on this recyclable paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't believe all the dumb responses I've seen to this story (no offense to parent).Every office I've ever worked in could use these printers.
See, humans have these things called "brains", and they can use them to discriminate between "casual, print then reuse paper" documents, and those that need to be retained for a long time, marked up, stapled, sent out of the office, etc.
If you have a color printer and a black and white printer in your office, and you're not making the equivalent judgments today, you're pretty unevolved.Print on the "real paper" printer for some documents, use your "brain" to decide when to print on reusable plastic sheets.
It's not that hard.
The hostility to this product that I've seen in posts indicates the posters have other agendas.
Which would probably be best printed on this recyclable paper.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128002</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128072</id>
	<title>Yeah</title>
	<author>Overzeetop</author>
	<datestamp>1266085260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is nice, but misses the purpose of more than half of most printing - to distribute to other people and to mark up your own copies. If I give anyone else the sheet, it's no longer recyclable by me. If I mark up a hard copy - or just make notes while I'm in a meeting - it's no longer reuseable. What about staples?</p><p>If I've got a dozen people in my office, it would be cheaper to simply buy them each a KindleDX - and I'll never run out of paper there.</p><p>(Yes, I'm being negative today. I'm sure this has a niche - like a training center where you can update your handouts for each class, as long as thy can't take them home)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is nice , but misses the purpose of more than half of most printing - to distribute to other people and to mark up your own copies .
If I give anyone else the sheet , it 's no longer recyclable by me .
If I mark up a hard copy - or just make notes while I 'm in a meeting - it 's no longer reuseable .
What about staples ? If I 've got a dozen people in my office , it would be cheaper to simply buy them each a KindleDX - and I 'll never run out of paper there .
( Yes , I 'm being negative today .
I 'm sure this has a niche - like a training center where you can update your handouts for each class , as long as thy ca n't take them home )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is nice, but misses the purpose of more than half of most printing - to distribute to other people and to mark up your own copies.
If I give anyone else the sheet, it's no longer recyclable by me.
If I mark up a hard copy - or just make notes while I'm in a meeting - it's no longer reuseable.
What about staples?If I've got a dozen people in my office, it would be cheaper to simply buy them each a KindleDX - and I'll never run out of paper there.
(Yes, I'm being negative today.
I'm sure this has a niche - like a training center where you can update your handouts for each class, as long as thy can't take them home)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31129818</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah</title>
	<author>Overzeetop</author>
	<datestamp>1266054840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I still can't find a use where the usage of the paper is gentle (so it can be reused 1000 times), and the end user neither keeps the sheet nor makes any marks on the paper whatsoever. At the cost of the paper, the break-even point is between 100-600 reuses per sheet depending on how expensive your toner costs are. You would have to use the same sheet every single day for a year just to break even. I can't imagine what that sheet would look like by then in the hands of...well, any grade student.</p><p>Maybe tests where the answers are filled in on other sheets, and the student must use another sheet as scrap/calculation paper? That would be one. Lunch menus or internally distributed, short time horizon announcements (though our teachers use email for this) might be another.</p><p>Also, for the cost of each printer and a pack of 1000 sheets, you could print 300,000 sheets of paper on a leased commercial copier (given typical copy rates). I don't know how many copies your district actually makes, if you put just one of these printers and a pack of paper in each of (say) 40 schools, that's the same as the cost of 12 million single sheets. And you couldn't mark on or send a single one of those sheets home.</p><p>I'm all for saving money in school. We're in a minor crisis ourselves - I say "we" as I have a 2nd grader and my wife volunteers about 10 hours a week at the school. This stuff just looks expensive except in the most ideal cases.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I still ca n't find a use where the usage of the paper is gentle ( so it can be reused 1000 times ) , and the end user neither keeps the sheet nor makes any marks on the paper whatsoever .
At the cost of the paper , the break-even point is between 100-600 reuses per sheet depending on how expensive your toner costs are .
You would have to use the same sheet every single day for a year just to break even .
I ca n't imagine what that sheet would look like by then in the hands of...well , any grade student.Maybe tests where the answers are filled in on other sheets , and the student must use another sheet as scrap/calculation paper ?
That would be one .
Lunch menus or internally distributed , short time horizon announcements ( though our teachers use email for this ) might be another.Also , for the cost of each printer and a pack of 1000 sheets , you could print 300,000 sheets of paper on a leased commercial copier ( given typical copy rates ) .
I do n't know how many copies your district actually makes , if you put just one of these printers and a pack of paper in each of ( say ) 40 schools , that 's the same as the cost of 12 million single sheets .
And you could n't mark on or send a single one of those sheets home.I 'm all for saving money in school .
We 're in a minor crisis ourselves - I say " we " as I have a 2nd grader and my wife volunteers about 10 hours a week at the school .
This stuff just looks expensive except in the most ideal cases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still can't find a use where the usage of the paper is gentle (so it can be reused 1000 times), and the end user neither keeps the sheet nor makes any marks on the paper whatsoever.
At the cost of the paper, the break-even point is between 100-600 reuses per sheet depending on how expensive your toner costs are.
You would have to use the same sheet every single day for a year just to break even.
I can't imagine what that sheet would look like by then in the hands of...well, any grade student.Maybe tests where the answers are filled in on other sheets, and the student must use another sheet as scrap/calculation paper?
That would be one.
Lunch menus or internally distributed, short time horizon announcements (though our teachers use email for this) might be another.Also, for the cost of each printer and a pack of 1000 sheets, you could print 300,000 sheets of paper on a leased commercial copier (given typical copy rates).
I don't know how many copies your district actually makes, if you put just one of these printers and a pack of paper in each of (say) 40 schools, that's the same as the cost of 12 million single sheets.
And you couldn't mark on or send a single one of those sheets home.I'm all for saving money in school.
We're in a minor crisis ourselves - I say "we" as I have a 2nd grader and my wife volunteers about 10 hours a week at the school.
This stuff just looks expensive except in the most ideal cases.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128656</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128162</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>davester666</author>
	<datestamp>1266085860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But now you can just file documents by date, and instead of buying new paper, just reuse the oldest sheets that have already been printed.  This takes care of the document retention policy at the same time as making filing extremely easy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But now you can just file documents by date , and instead of buying new paper , just reuse the oldest sheets that have already been printed .
This takes care of the document retention policy at the same time as making filing extremely easy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But now you can just file documents by date, and instead of buying new paper, just reuse the oldest sheets that have already been printed.
This takes care of the document retention policy at the same time as making filing extremely easy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128002</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31127982</id>
	<title>Yes but....</title>
	<author>budword</author>
	<datestamp>1266084660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are there Linux drivers ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are there Linux drivers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are there Linux drivers ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31129854</id>
	<title>How well does the printout erase?</title>
	<author>Drethon</author>
	<datestamp>1266055080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If it is at all possible to recover previously printed documents this could be a problem, otherwise I could see niche markets.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it is at all possible to recover previously printed documents this could be a problem , otherwise I could see niche markets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it is at all possible to recover previously printed documents this could be a problem, otherwise I could see niche markets.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128086</id>
	<title>Wow less CO2!</title>
	<author>ground.zero.612</author>
	<datestamp>1266085320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TqqWJugXzs" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">The Great Global Warming Swindle</a> [youtube.com] </p><p>Fucking assholes. The printer I'm getting ready to market kills less kittens.</p><p>

SO TAKE THAT!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Great Global Warming Swindle [ youtube.com ] Fucking assholes .
The printer I 'm getting ready to market kills less kittens .
SO TAKE THAT !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The Great Global Warming Swindle [youtube.com] Fucking assholes.
The printer I'm getting ready to market kills less kittens.
SO TAKE THAT!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128112</id>
	<title>That was easy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266085500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What happens when you want to staple more than one sheet together. Most things worth printing take up more than one page, and those binder clips are always bulkier and more prone to falling off than a good old-fashioned staple. But hey, as long as we're "fixing" the "problem" of finding an alternative to a fully-renewable resource...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when you want to staple more than one sheet together .
Most things worth printing take up more than one page , and those binder clips are always bulkier and more prone to falling off than a good old-fashioned staple .
But hey , as long as we 're " fixing " the " problem " of finding an alternative to a fully-renewable resource.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when you want to staple more than one sheet together.
Most things worth printing take up more than one page, and those binder clips are always bulkier and more prone to falling off than a good old-fashioned staple.
But hey, as long as we're "fixing" the "problem" of finding an alternative to a fully-renewable resource...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128976</id>
	<title>Ridiculously high cost</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266091800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The video presentation mentions that a single sheet of this so called "paper" costs 300 yen, which is around 2.5 euros.  I can buy packs of 500 sheets of paper for that price and if I go for the really cheap, disposable kind then it becomes even cheaper than that.  Moreover, regular paper has plenty of exotic uses such as writing on it with a pencil and/or pen. Will you do that on a 2.5 euro A4 sheet of paper?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The video presentation mentions that a single sheet of this so called " paper " costs 300 yen , which is around 2.5 euros .
I can buy packs of 500 sheets of paper for that price and if I go for the really cheap , disposable kind then it becomes even cheaper than that .
Moreover , regular paper has plenty of exotic uses such as writing on it with a pencil and/or pen .
Will you do that on a 2.5 euro A4 sheet of paper ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The video presentation mentions that a single sheet of this so called "paper" costs 300 yen, which is around 2.5 euros.
I can buy packs of 500 sheets of paper for that price and if I go for the really cheap, disposable kind then it becomes even cheaper than that.
Moreover, regular paper has plenty of exotic uses such as writing on it with a pencil and/or pen.
Will you do that on a 2.5 euro A4 sheet of paper?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31129994</id>
	<title>Re:I've been in the copier printer business for 30</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266056400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1)walk to scanner<br>2)put down document<br>3)enter email address (or more likely select from address book)<br>4)press send, and done</p><p>"expected to have a fax"? incoming number diverts to email - other end can do whatever the hell it likes, I still receive it in my inbox (or EDMS)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) walk to scanner2 ) put down document3 ) enter email address ( or more likely select from address book ) 4 ) press send , and done " expected to have a fax " ?
incoming number diverts to email - other end can do whatever the hell it likes , I still receive it in my inbox ( or EDMS )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1)walk to scanner2)put down document3)enter email address (or more likely select from address book)4)press send, and done"expected to have a fax"?
incoming number diverts to email - other end can do whatever the hell it likes, I still receive it in my inbox (or EDMS)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128712</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31130826</id>
	<title>Re:Under a very narrow set of conditions...</title>
	<author>tuxicle</author>
	<datestamp>1266063360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Until they include a box that will shred the old "Paper", melt down and extrude new paper, this is worthless.</p></div><p>Does one have to sing "Stamp it, file it, send it overnight" to make this work? Ah, the cycle of bureaucracy is complete!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Until they include a box that will shred the old " Paper " , melt down and extrude new paper , this is worthless.Does one have to sing " Stamp it , file it , send it overnight " to make this work ?
Ah , the cycle of bureaucracy is complete !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until they include a box that will shred the old "Paper", melt down and extrude new paper, this is worthless.Does one have to sing "Stamp it, file it, send it overnight" to make this work?
Ah, the cycle of bureaucracy is complete!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128036</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31133396</id>
	<title>Re:Are Brains Engaged Today?</title>
	<author>luther349</author>
	<datestamp>1266144420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>your not accounting the fact office papers are never kept in perfect condition there bent folded stuff spilled on them. you just lost 3$ a sheet. and the stuff you do keep gets filed and never saw again. yes theirs a few uses for them like in meetings or the junk they do print and toss. but point 1 still applys. its a good idea but the cost for the paper has to come way down first so when you do lose them the cost isnt overwhelming the potential savings. .</htmltext>
<tokenext>your not accounting the fact office papers are never kept in perfect condition there bent folded stuff spilled on them .
you just lost 3 $ a sheet .
and the stuff you do keep gets filed and never saw again .
yes theirs a few uses for them like in meetings or the junk they do print and toss .
but point 1 still applys .
its a good idea but the cost for the paper has to come way down first so when you do lose them the cost isnt overwhelming the potential savings .
.</tokentext>
<sentencetext>your not accounting the fact office papers are never kept in perfect condition there bent folded stuff spilled on them.
you just lost 3$ a sheet.
and the stuff you do keep gets filed and never saw again.
yes theirs a few uses for them like in meetings or the junk they do print and toss.
but point 1 still applys.
its a good idea but the cost for the paper has to come way down first so when you do lose them the cost isnt overwhelming the potential savings.
.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31129886</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128146</id>
	<title>Re-usable paper = wear and tear</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266085740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How easy is it to re-use plastic sheets if they've been torn, stapled, folded, dog-eared, and so on?  In the real world things experience wear and tear.  In most printers I'm familiar with, the paper path is fairly sensitive to these kinds of irregularities, so unless they are using something more like the bypass tray, I don't think that this printer is going to be all that reliable or fun to deal with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How easy is it to re-use plastic sheets if they 've been torn , stapled , folded , dog-eared , and so on ?
In the real world things experience wear and tear .
In most printers I 'm familiar with , the paper path is fairly sensitive to these kinds of irregularities , so unless they are using something more like the bypass tray , I do n't think that this printer is going to be all that reliable or fun to deal with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How easy is it to re-use plastic sheets if they've been torn, stapled, folded, dog-eared, and so on?
In the real world things experience wear and tear.
In most printers I'm familiar with, the paper path is fairly sensitive to these kinds of irregularities, so unless they are using something more like the bypass tray, I don't think that this printer is going to be all that reliable or fun to deal with.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31132638</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266085440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am guessing that paper also decomposes better then plastic. Not knocking the idea but we already have a problem with plastic ending up in all sorts of places it shouldn't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am guessing that paper also decomposes better then plastic .
Not knocking the idea but we already have a problem with plastic ending up in all sorts of places it should n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am guessing that paper also decomposes better then plastic.
Not knocking the idea but we already have a problem with plastic ending up in all sorts of places it shouldn't.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128002</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31129796</id>
	<title>Re:Under a very narrow set of conditions...</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1266054600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Great, so long as you never pin the paper up, fold, wrinkle or spindle it. Never get oil on from your fingers on it, coffee stains, pen marks, or tape residue.</i> </p><p>How well these print-outs stand up to light and heat?</p><p>Can you leave them on the seat of your car on a hot summer's day?</p><p>If document retention is an issue, will an ordinary fire safe or cabinet do the job?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great , so long as you never pin the paper up , fold , wrinkle or spindle it .
Never get oil on from your fingers on it , coffee stains , pen marks , or tape residue .
How well these print-outs stand up to light and heat ? Can you leave them on the seat of your car on a hot summer 's day ? If document retention is an issue , will an ordinary fire safe or cabinet do the job ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great, so long as you never pin the paper up, fold, wrinkle or spindle it.
Never get oil on from your fingers on it, coffee stains, pen marks, or tape residue.
How well these print-outs stand up to light and heat?Can you leave them on the seat of your car on a hot summer's day?If document retention is an issue, will an ordinary fire safe or cabinet do the job?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128036</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128450</id>
	<title>I have a system that really has no consumables!</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1266087780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And that can be reprinted in less than 0.01 seconds. In color!<br>It needs <em>no. consumables. at. all!</em></p><p>I&rsquo;s called a display!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And that can be reprinted in less than 0.01 seconds .
In color ! It needs no .
consumables. at .
all ! I    s called a display !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And that can be reprinted in less than 0.01 seconds.
In color!It needs no.
consumables. at.
all!I’s called a display!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31135112</id>
	<title>Re:usefullness?</title>
	<author>invalid\_user</author>
	<datestamp>1266169620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the printing industry, stuffs are frequently printed just for proofing purposes. The wasted papers cost the industry gazillion dollars every year.</p><p>This printer is perfect for that industry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the printing industry , stuffs are frequently printed just for proofing purposes .
The wasted papers cost the industry gazillion dollars every year.This printer is perfect for that industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the printing industry, stuffs are frequently printed just for proofing purposes.
The wasted papers cost the industry gazillion dollars every year.This printer is perfect for that industry.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128044</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128230</id>
	<title>I wonder...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266086220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder how long the text/images last after being printed? Also, how about making notes on the paper? (Maybe a heat pen like silverpig suggested?)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how long the text/images last after being printed ?
Also , how about making notes on the paper ?
( Maybe a heat pen like silverpig suggested ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how long the text/images last after being printed?
Also, how about making notes on the paper?
(Maybe a heat pen like silverpig suggested?
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128948</id>
	<title>Re:True for the individual, not the office use cas</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266091560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let me help:</p><p>Innumerable living, growing tree-friends are slaughtered every single year because office workers print on tree-organs for each other, and then cast aside the remains after they've had their way with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me help : Innumerable living , growing tree-friends are slaughtered every single year because office workers print on tree-organs for each other , and then cast aside the remains after they 've had their way with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me help:Innumerable living, growing tree-friends are slaughtered every single year because office workers print on tree-organs for each other, and then cast aside the remains after they've had their way with it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128250</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128984</id>
	<title>Re:usefullness?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266091860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>id see great use for that in my work, we print out all the schematics and mechanical drawings cause its easier to work with these rather than jump to the nearby desk to your laptop every 10 seconds. naturally after the work is done, the printouts are just garbage. more than that company policies demand that this garbage gets disposed securely, that is we employ a company that shreds all our confidential printouts</p><p>this would kill two birds in one go for us</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>id see great use for that in my work , we print out all the schematics and mechanical drawings cause its easier to work with these rather than jump to the nearby desk to your laptop every 10 seconds .
naturally after the work is done , the printouts are just garbage .
more than that company policies demand that this garbage gets disposed securely , that is we employ a company that shreds all our confidential printoutsthis would kill two birds in one go for us</tokentext>
<sentencetext>id see great use for that in my work, we print out all the schematics and mechanical drawings cause its easier to work with these rather than jump to the nearby desk to your laptop every 10 seconds.
naturally after the work is done, the printouts are just garbage.
more than that company policies demand that this garbage gets disposed securely, that is we employ a company that shreds all our confidential printoutsthis would kill two birds in one go for us</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128044</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31131394</id>
	<title>reusing the cellulose</title>
	<author>zogger</author>
	<datestamp>1266069720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How do you make your paper briquettes?  Water, then a compactor, or what?</p><p>I make some woodstove "logs" from old cardboard boxes that I get from glanage, scrounging produce and fruits, etc.. Get the boxes slightly wet (by leaving them out in the rain, lol), then they are really easy to roll up tight, then they get wrapped with used and now recycled bailing twine (that I cut off of big round bales), then let dry again. I use that for kindling, or to get a fast heat boost in the morning when there are just some coals left.  TIA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you make your paper briquettes ?
Water , then a compactor , or what ? I make some woodstove " logs " from old cardboard boxes that I get from glanage , scrounging produce and fruits , etc.. Get the boxes slightly wet ( by leaving them out in the rain , lol ) , then they are really easy to roll up tight , then they get wrapped with used and now recycled bailing twine ( that I cut off of big round bales ) , then let dry again .
I use that for kindling , or to get a fast heat boost in the morning when there are just some coals left .
TIA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you make your paper briquettes?
Water, then a compactor, or what?I make some woodstove "logs" from old cardboard boxes that I get from glanage, scrounging produce and fruits, etc.. Get the boxes slightly wet (by leaving them out in the rain, lol), then they are really easy to roll up tight, then they get wrapped with used and now recycled bailing twine (that I cut off of big round bales), then let dry again.
I use that for kindling, or to get a fast heat boost in the morning when there are just some coals left.
TIA.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128140</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128308</id>
	<title>Re:Wow less CO2!</title>
	<author>paiute</author>
	<datestamp>1266086820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> The printer I'm getting ready to market kills less kittens.</p></div><p>Fewer. Fewer kittens use less kitty litter.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKlTAxTvKkY" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKlTAxTvKkY</a> [youtube.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The printer I 'm getting ready to market kills less kittens.Fewer .
Fewer kittens use less kitty litter.http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = RKlTAxTvKkY [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The printer I'm getting ready to market kills less kittens.Fewer.
Fewer kittens use less kitty litter.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKlTAxTvKkY [youtube.com]
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128086</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128038</id>
	<title>Retraining needed</title>
	<author>zwede</author>
	<datestamp>1266085020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At $3+ a sheet the hardest part will be to train managers not to throw the printouts away after the meeting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At $ 3 + a sheet the hardest part will be to train managers not to throw the printouts away after the meeting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At $3+ a sheet the hardest part will be to train managers not to throw the printouts away after the meeting.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128220</id>
	<title>Good idea</title>
	<author>lokiomega</author>
	<datestamp>1266086160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Honestly I love this idea. I could print up a whole PDF at a time, and read it like a book or manual when I need it; all the things that are too straining to read on a monitor for any lengthy period.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly I love this idea .
I could print up a whole PDF at a time , and read it like a book or manual when I need it ; all the things that are too straining to read on a monitor for any lengthy period .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly I love this idea.
I could print up a whole PDF at a time, and read it like a book or manual when I need it; all the things that are too straining to read on a monitor for any lengthy period.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31129024</id>
	<title>BS</title>
	<author>cyn1c77</author>
	<datestamp>1266092220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would say that "A4-sized sheets of PET plastic" count as consumables.  This is a marketing scam.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would say that " A4-sized sheets of PET plastic " count as consumables .
This is a marketing scam .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would say that "A4-sized sheets of PET plastic" count as consumables.
This is a marketing scam.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31131474</id>
	<title>Too bad Enron ain't around anymore...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266070740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That would have been a volume customer!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That would have been a volume customer !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would have been a volume customer!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31130662</id>
	<title>Re:I've been in the copier printer business for 30</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1266062100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or get the best of both worlds and use a <a href="http://www.srfax.com/srf/index.php" title="srfax.com">fax to email</a> [srfax.com] <a href="http://home.efax.com/s/r/eFax-Mobile-Anywhere-CA?VID=35907" title="efax.com">service</a> [efax.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or get the best of both worlds and use a fax to email [ srfax.com ] service [ efax.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or get the best of both worlds and use a fax to email [srfax.com] service [efax.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128712</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128774</id>
	<title>Re:Under a very narrow set of conditions...</title>
	<author>Anonymous Cowar</author>
	<datestamp>1266090240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>you're forgetting the number 1 thing that happens to paper as soon as it is printed. Usually whoever gets the stack of paper (because if you're just going to do one sheet, may as well just read it and display it on the computer, will tap the stack against the desk and then staple it. Pretty much if you staple something 10-20 times, it's corners become a horrible mess (my wife is a teacher, remember back to those posters stapled to the bulletin board). <br> <br>Although i guess that's a feature, if you can't use staples with the paper, you save on those too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>you 're forgetting the number 1 thing that happens to paper as soon as it is printed .
Usually whoever gets the stack of paper ( because if you 're just going to do one sheet , may as well just read it and display it on the computer , will tap the stack against the desk and then staple it .
Pretty much if you staple something 10-20 times , it 's corners become a horrible mess ( my wife is a teacher , remember back to those posters stapled to the bulletin board ) .
Although i guess that 's a feature , if you ca n't use staples with the paper , you save on those too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you're forgetting the number 1 thing that happens to paper as soon as it is printed.
Usually whoever gets the stack of paper (because if you're just going to do one sheet, may as well just read it and display it on the computer, will tap the stack against the desk and then staple it.
Pretty much if you staple something 10-20 times, it's corners become a horrible mess (my wife is a teacher, remember back to those posters stapled to the bulletin board).
Although i guess that's a feature, if you can't use staples with the paper, you save on those too.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128036</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128872</id>
	<title>Re:usefullness?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266090960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At work it happens regularly that I print some information before a meeting and throw it away after the meeting (I don't have a laptop at work, only a desktop and my brain is too small to memorize all nitty gritty details).</p><p>So such a re-usable paper would be great. In stead of throwing away the sheet, I can re-use it for the next meeting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At work it happens regularly that I print some information before a meeting and throw it away after the meeting ( I do n't have a laptop at work , only a desktop and my brain is too small to memorize all nitty gritty details ) .So such a re-usable paper would be great .
In stead of throwing away the sheet , I can re-use it for the next meeting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At work it happens regularly that I print some information before a meeting and throw it away after the meeting (I don't have a laptop at work, only a desktop and my brain is too small to memorize all nitty gritty details).So such a re-usable paper would be great.
In stead of throwing away the sheet, I can re-use it for the next meeting.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128044</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128728</id>
	<title>Great for the International Space Station</title>
	<author>cutecub</author>
	<datestamp>1266089760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... or any other isolated work environment, like a submarine, military base, etc.</p><p>But as soon as those plastic sheets start making it home in people's brief-cases and notepads, the cost of operation starts to creep up.</p><p>Its an interesting niche product that solves one problem ( consumables ) at the expense of creating another problem ( proprietary, expensive print substrate ).</p><p>-S</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... or any other isolated work environment , like a submarine , military base , etc.But as soon as those plastic sheets start making it home in people 's brief-cases and notepads , the cost of operation starts to creep up.Its an interesting niche product that solves one problem ( consumables ) at the expense of creating another problem ( proprietary , expensive print substrate ) .-S</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... or any other isolated work environment, like a submarine, military base, etc.But as soon as those plastic sheets start making it home in people's brief-cases and notepads, the cost of operation starts to creep up.Its an interesting niche product that solves one problem ( consumables ) at the expense of creating another problem ( proprietary, expensive print substrate ).-S</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128018</id>
	<title>Ugly plastic wins again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266084900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What, the company is supposed to supply a use case that doesn't support the product?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What , the company is supposed to supply a use case that does n't support the product ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What, the company is supposed to supply a use case that doesn't support the product?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128528</id>
	<title>Paper has value</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1266088500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The whole problem with this concept, is that it fails to realize is that, as seemingly insignificant a piece of paper is, it is a thing, and it does have value.  This value is in its permanence.  Good paper products will utterly outlive us, and that's why we use them.</p><p>It is why some people insist on a paper audit trail when we vote.</p><p>It is why we tend to like to get paper receipts and statements.</p><p>It is like even a pointless award or certificate,  but printed on nice paper, can mean a great deal emotionally.</p><p>So, when you have re-usable paper, its like, you are giving back your receipt, your award, your audit trail, your gift, your thing.  It creates this whole environment where you are in the office and the one thing you used to be able to get, a piece of paper from the printer, you now have to give back.  It's honestly smacks of so much corporate money grubbing greed that you "hey, that good conduct award I printed... well, I need that back so I can re-use the paper...", well, you have to give your life record back to these people as well?</p><p>What a terrible invention, and a what terrible people that we have become to even think that such a thing should be invented.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The whole problem with this concept , is that it fails to realize is that , as seemingly insignificant a piece of paper is , it is a thing , and it does have value .
This value is in its permanence .
Good paper products will utterly outlive us , and that 's why we use them.It is why some people insist on a paper audit trail when we vote.It is why we tend to like to get paper receipts and statements.It is like even a pointless award or certificate , but printed on nice paper , can mean a great deal emotionally.So , when you have re-usable paper , its like , you are giving back your receipt , your award , your audit trail , your gift , your thing .
It creates this whole environment where you are in the office and the one thing you used to be able to get , a piece of paper from the printer , you now have to give back .
It 's honestly smacks of so much corporate money grubbing greed that you " hey , that good conduct award I printed... well , I need that back so I can re-use the paper... " , well , you have to give your life record back to these people as well ? What a terrible invention , and a what terrible people that we have become to even think that such a thing should be invented .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The whole problem with this concept, is that it fails to realize is that, as seemingly insignificant a piece of paper is, it is a thing, and it does have value.
This value is in its permanence.
Good paper products will utterly outlive us, and that's why we use them.It is why some people insist on a paper audit trail when we vote.It is why we tend to like to get paper receipts and statements.It is like even a pointless award or certificate,  but printed on nice paper, can mean a great deal emotionally.So, when you have re-usable paper, its like, you are giving back your receipt, your award, your audit trail, your gift, your thing.
It creates this whole environment where you are in the office and the one thing you used to be able to get, a piece of paper from the printer, you now have to give back.
It's honestly smacks of so much corporate money grubbing greed that you "hey, that good conduct award I printed... well, I need that back so I can re-use the paper...", well, you have to give your life record back to these people as well?What a terrible invention, and a what terrible people that we have become to even think that such a thing should be invented.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31129232</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>jbengt</author>
	<datestamp>1266094020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Better in a filing cabinet rather than on a cold radiator.  My co-worker placed his file folder full of engineering documents on thermal copy/fax paper at the end of one summer.  First time the heat turned on in the fall, he had a folder full of black paper.  Thermal copiers are old, abandoned tech, though reusable plastic thermal paper may be new.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Better in a filing cabinet rather than on a cold radiator .
My co-worker placed his file folder full of engineering documents on thermal copy/fax paper at the end of one summer .
First time the heat turned on in the fall , he had a folder full of black paper .
Thermal copiers are old , abandoned tech , though reusable plastic thermal paper may be new .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better in a filing cabinet rather than on a cold radiator.
My co-worker placed his file folder full of engineering documents on thermal copy/fax paper at the end of one summer.
First time the heat turned on in the fall, he had a folder full of black paper.
Thermal copiers are old, abandoned tech, though reusable plastic thermal paper may be new.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128002</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31134476</id>
	<title>Re:Japanese Businesses Waste a Lot of Paper</title>
	<author>CronoCloud</author>
	<datestamp>1266163800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I though the Japanese were all about making purchases with their cell phones?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I though the Japanese were all about making purchases with their cell phones ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I though the Japanese were all about making purchases with their cell phones?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31131530</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31132734</id>
	<title>PDF</title>
	<author>p51d007</author>
	<datestamp>1266086880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had the same issue with technicians.  I switched to all PDF's for service manuals etc years ago, but had a hard time to get the rest of the service staff to do the same.  Same tired old argument...but...but...but...I can put notes in the paper manuals.  Well, you can put notes in the PDF ones also.
Plus, It is a heck of a lot easier to find something in a PDF, doing a search, rather than thumbing through a paper manual.
My laptop that I carry, I have the drive mirrored to another drive I carry with me, updated weekly, and another drive at the shop mirrored.  If the drive crashes during the day, it's a simple manor of popping it out and replacing it with the backup drive.  I wouldn't go back to a paper manual for anything.  I'm a certified instructor, and everything I teach with, save for the paper tests at the end of the course, is all electronic.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had the same issue with technicians .
I switched to all PDF 's for service manuals etc years ago , but had a hard time to get the rest of the service staff to do the same .
Same tired old argument...but...but...but...I can put notes in the paper manuals .
Well , you can put notes in the PDF ones also .
Plus , It is a heck of a lot easier to find something in a PDF , doing a search , rather than thumbing through a paper manual .
My laptop that I carry , I have the drive mirrored to another drive I carry with me , updated weekly , and another drive at the shop mirrored .
If the drive crashes during the day , it 's a simple manor of popping it out and replacing it with the backup drive .
I would n't go back to a paper manual for anything .
I 'm a certified instructor , and everything I teach with , save for the paper tests at the end of the course , is all electronic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had the same issue with technicians.
I switched to all PDF's for service manuals etc years ago, but had a hard time to get the rest of the service staff to do the same.
Same tired old argument...but...but...but...I can put notes in the paper manuals.
Well, you can put notes in the PDF ones also.
Plus, It is a heck of a lot easier to find something in a PDF, doing a search, rather than thumbing through a paper manual.
My laptop that I carry, I have the drive mirrored to another drive I carry with me, updated weekly, and another drive at the shop mirrored.
If the drive crashes during the day, it's a simple manor of popping it out and replacing it with the backup drive.
I wouldn't go back to a paper manual for anything.
I'm a certified instructor, and everything I teach with, save for the paper tests at the end of the course, is all electronic.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128474</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128540</id>
	<title>Only useful for ebooks</title>
	<author>iCantSpell</author>
	<datestamp>1266088620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This printer is only good if your printing out e-books. You could probably end this e-book reader revolution crap with this technology. Your not going to run out of ink and once your finished with a book, you can just go to amazon and pay $9 and get to printing your new book.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This printer is only good if your printing out e-books .
You could probably end this e-book reader revolution crap with this technology .
Your not going to run out of ink and once your finished with a book , you can just go to amazon and pay $ 9 and get to printing your new book .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This printer is only good if your printing out e-books.
You could probably end this e-book reader revolution crap with this technology.
Your not going to run out of ink and once your finished with a book, you can just go to amazon and pay $9 and get to printing your new book.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128226</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266086160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>These proprietary plastic sheets sound a bit like a consumable to me.</p><p>Yeah, they're re-usable. But if it's stuck in a filing cabinet then you can't re-use it now can you.</p></div><p>I've got a boss who prints crap out all the time.  Just random junk.  Instead of forwarding an email to me, he'll print it out and hand it to me.  And those random bits of junk get thrown away pretty quickly.</p><p>I routinely have to print out documentation for various clients...  Take it on-site with me...  And after I'm done there, the printout gets shredded.</p><p>For non-permanent bits of information that you'd still like to take away from a computer screen, this could be very handy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>These proprietary plastic sheets sound a bit like a consumable to me.Yeah , they 're re-usable .
But if it 's stuck in a filing cabinet then you ca n't re-use it now can you.I 've got a boss who prints crap out all the time .
Just random junk .
Instead of forwarding an email to me , he 'll print it out and hand it to me .
And those random bits of junk get thrown away pretty quickly.I routinely have to print out documentation for various clients... Take it on-site with me... And after I 'm done there , the printout gets shredded.For non-permanent bits of information that you 'd still like to take away from a computer screen , this could be very handy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These proprietary plastic sheets sound a bit like a consumable to me.Yeah, they're re-usable.
But if it's stuck in a filing cabinet then you can't re-use it now can you.I've got a boss who prints crap out all the time.
Just random junk.
Instead of forwarding an email to me, he'll print it out and hand it to me.
And those random bits of junk get thrown away pretty quickly.I routinely have to print out documentation for various clients...  Take it on-site with me...  And after I'm done there, the printout gets shredded.For non-permanent bits of information that you'd still like to take away from a computer screen, this could be very handy.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128002</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31132612</id>
	<title>Re:the bean-counter math does not work out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266085080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where do you get 5.35\% APY interest?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where do you get 5.35 \ % APY interest ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where do you get 5.35\% APY interest?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31129486</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128202</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266085980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pro-tip:  Anything that's "resuable" that has a limit on the number of times it can be re-used like, say CD-RWs or this plastic paper, are actually consumable.</p><p>Still, if it really does last 1,000 times (which I doubt), and you're only printing stuff for temporary consumption (as in, you aren't keeping hard copies of anything locked in a filing cabinet), you actually <em>could</em> save enough money -- if you print enough, that is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pro-tip : Anything that 's " resuable " that has a limit on the number of times it can be re-used like , say CD-RWs or this plastic paper , are actually consumable.Still , if it really does last 1,000 times ( which I doubt ) , and you 're only printing stuff for temporary consumption ( as in , you are n't keeping hard copies of anything locked in a filing cabinet ) , you actually could save enough money -- if you print enough , that is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pro-tip:  Anything that's "resuable" that has a limit on the number of times it can be re-used like, say CD-RWs or this plastic paper, are actually consumable.Still, if it really does last 1,000 times (which I doubt), and you're only printing stuff for temporary consumption (as in, you aren't keeping hard copies of anything locked in a filing cabinet), you actually could save enough money -- if you print enough, that is.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128002</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31136130</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>ormondotvos</author>
	<datestamp>1266179220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you implying that a business would actually keep paper in a filing cabinet, rather than as a text-searchable PDF?

"Here, look at this. Now give it back!"

Gawd, what a concept!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you implying that a business would actually keep paper in a filing cabinet , rather than as a text-searchable PDF ?
" Here , look at this .
Now give it back !
" Gawd , what a concept !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you implying that a business would actually keep paper in a filing cabinet, rather than as a text-searchable PDF?
"Here, look at this.
Now give it back!
"

Gawd, what a concept!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128002</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128474</id>
	<title>We've gone electronic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266088080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That doesn't mean we don't generate paper. I go through 500-1000LF of 36" wide paper a month, plus probably 1500-2000 sheets of letter (we only have 4 employees). What we don't do is keep the paper.  Everything either gets scanned and the paper recycled, or printed to PDF and never committed to dead tree form. The savings isn't in paper and printing - it's in storage. I was looking at having to buy storage space and filing cabinets (very expensive for large format drawings). At $1-$1.50 a sheet at the service house, it was cheaper to scan and recycle than to buy cabinets and store. Two years ago we dropped $15k on a large format scanner (well, it copies and prints, too). The result is everything we've ever designed it on the servers (and backed up in two places) and at our fingertips in less than a minute, and I'm not paying for a storage unit somewhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That does n't mean we do n't generate paper .
I go through 500-1000LF of 36 " wide paper a month , plus probably 1500-2000 sheets of letter ( we only have 4 employees ) .
What we do n't do is keep the paper .
Everything either gets scanned and the paper recycled , or printed to PDF and never committed to dead tree form .
The savings is n't in paper and printing - it 's in storage .
I was looking at having to buy storage space and filing cabinets ( very expensive for large format drawings ) .
At $ 1- $ 1.50 a sheet at the service house , it was cheaper to scan and recycle than to buy cabinets and store .
Two years ago we dropped $ 15k on a large format scanner ( well , it copies and prints , too ) .
The result is everything we 've ever designed it on the servers ( and backed up in two places ) and at our fingertips in less than a minute , and I 'm not paying for a storage unit somewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That doesn't mean we don't generate paper.
I go through 500-1000LF of 36" wide paper a month, plus probably 1500-2000 sheets of letter (we only have 4 employees).
What we don't do is keep the paper.
Everything either gets scanned and the paper recycled, or printed to PDF and never committed to dead tree form.
The savings isn't in paper and printing - it's in storage.
I was looking at having to buy storage space and filing cabinets (very expensive for large format drawings).
At $1-$1.50 a sheet at the service house, it was cheaper to scan and recycle than to buy cabinets and store.
Two years ago we dropped $15k on a large format scanner (well, it copies and prints, too).
The result is everything we've ever designed it on the servers (and backed up in two places) and at our fingertips in less than a minute, and I'm not paying for a storage unit somewhere.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128224</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31129390</id>
	<title>Re:I've been in the copier printer business for 30</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266052080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You've never actually used a semi-modern MFP have you? You can now configure them with an email address on your exchange/pop3 server and it'll send the email for you. Some will even 'spoof' the header with your name and email.<br>1) place document in ADF. 2) Press the 'scan to email' button 3) enter the destination email address 4) press send</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've never actually used a semi-modern MFP have you ?
You can now configure them with an email address on your exchange/pop3 server and it 'll send the email for you .
Some will even 'spoof ' the header with your name and email.1 ) place document in ADF .
2 ) Press the 'scan to email ' button 3 ) enter the destination email address 4 ) press send</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've never actually used a semi-modern MFP have you?
You can now configure them with an email address on your exchange/pop3 server and it'll send the email for you.
Some will even 'spoof' the header with your name and email.1) place document in ADF.
2) Press the 'scan to email' button 3) enter the destination email address 4) press send</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128712</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31132096</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1266078060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>it would be cheaper to simply buy them each a KindleDX</p> </div><p>Good point.  At $3.30 per sheet you could afford one KindleDX for less than the cost cost of about 100 sheets of this plastic paper.  Kindles can hold many thousands of pages, and can be reused for a long time. Plus, the recipients can annotate their copies without ruining the storage media, and if they ever needed a permanent copy they just print out what sheets they need on good paper, or back their documents and annotations up to their desktop with almost no effort for archival storage.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>it would be cheaper to simply buy them each a KindleDX Good point .
At $ 3.30 per sheet you could afford one KindleDX for less than the cost cost of about 100 sheets of this plastic paper .
Kindles can hold many thousands of pages , and can be reused for a long time .
Plus , the recipients can annotate their copies without ruining the storage media , and if they ever needed a permanent copy they just print out what sheets they need on good paper , or back their documents and annotations up to their desktop with almost no effort for archival storage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it would be cheaper to simply buy them each a KindleDX Good point.
At $3.30 per sheet you could afford one KindleDX for less than the cost cost of about 100 sheets of this plastic paper.
Kindles can hold many thousands of pages, and can be reused for a long time.
Plus, the recipients can annotate their copies without ruining the storage media, and if they ever needed a permanent copy they just print out what sheets they need on good paper, or back their documents and annotations up to their desktop with almost no effort for archival storage.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128072</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128642</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266089160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Every time I get an email at work that asks me not to print it unless absolutely necessary, I print it and put it in the shredder. Take that, Earth!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Every time I get an email at work that asks me not to print it unless absolutely necessary , I print it and put it in the shredder .
Take that , Earth !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every time I get an email at work that asks me not to print it unless absolutely necessary, I print it and put it in the shredder.
Take that, Earth!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128226</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128036</id>
	<title>Under a very narrow set of conditions...</title>
	<author>ErikZ</author>
	<datestamp>1266085020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Great, so long as you never pin the paper up, fold, wrinkle or spindle it. Never get oil on from your fingers on it, coffee stains, pen marks, or tape residue.</p><p>Until they include a box that will shred the old "Paper", melt down and extrude new paper, this is worthless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great , so long as you never pin the paper up , fold , wrinkle or spindle it .
Never get oil on from your fingers on it , coffee stains , pen marks , or tape residue.Until they include a box that will shred the old " Paper " , melt down and extrude new paper , this is worthless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great, so long as you never pin the paper up, fold, wrinkle or spindle it.
Never get oil on from your fingers on it, coffee stains, pen marks, or tape residue.Until they include a box that will shred the old "Paper", melt down and extrude new paper, this is worthless.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31129978</id>
	<title>Re:Under a very narrow set of conditions...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266056280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Until they include a box that will shred the old "Paper", melt down and extrude new paper, this is worthless.</i></p><p>Curses, this printer could have been worth using, but without that next refinement, it's totally useless!  Oh well, maybe someone will come up with a perfectly-designed version of this in some future epoch, when cockroaches rule the world.</p><p>I'll bet that feature is coming soon.  In the meantime, this is very worthwhile for the appropriate use, in conjunction with a traditional paper printer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Until they include a box that will shred the old " Paper " , melt down and extrude new paper , this is worthless.Curses , this printer could have been worth using , but without that next refinement , it 's totally useless !
Oh well , maybe someone will come up with a perfectly-designed version of this in some future epoch , when cockroaches rule the world.I 'll bet that feature is coming soon .
In the meantime , this is very worthwhile for the appropriate use , in conjunction with a traditional paper printer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until they include a box that will shred the old "Paper", melt down and extrude new paper, this is worthless.Curses, this printer could have been worth using, but without that next refinement, it's totally useless!
Oh well, maybe someone will come up with a perfectly-designed version of this in some future epoch, when cockroaches rule the world.I'll bet that feature is coming soon.
In the meantime, this is very worthwhile for the appropriate use, in conjunction with a traditional paper printer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128036</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31130106</id>
	<title>That's right and...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266057420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If "I'm a moron" coworker decides that shredding sensitive material is the ONLY way to go....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If " I 'm a moron " coworker decides that shredding sensitive material is the ONLY way to go... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If "I'm a moron" coworker decides that shredding sensitive material is the ONLY way to go....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128002</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128234</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266086220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's obviously not designed for printing fileable stuff. Probably more useful for printing things that change daily, like work assignments/maps/other instructions, or menus for the cafeteria, signs about the latest and greatest, and the like. It probably beats replacing everything with an electronic screen.
<p>
Niche application, but a decent one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's obviously not designed for printing fileable stuff .
Probably more useful for printing things that change daily , like work assignments/maps/other instructions , or menus for the cafeteria , signs about the latest and greatest , and the like .
It probably beats replacing everything with an electronic screen .
Niche application , but a decent one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's obviously not designed for printing fileable stuff.
Probably more useful for printing things that change daily, like work assignments/maps/other instructions, or menus for the cafeteria, signs about the latest and greatest, and the like.
It probably beats replacing everything with an electronic screen.
Niche application, but a decent one.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128002</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128166</id>
	<title>Useful in a notice board</title>
	<author>subanark</author>
	<datestamp>1266085860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you have a lot of notice boards (with the notices behind a window) you can use this printer to recycle old notices and put new ones up. These notices are not touched or punctured and are replaced frequently. If you only have a single notice board your probably better off just getting a flat screen monitor that displays the notices (probably cheaper given the cost).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have a lot of notice boards ( with the notices behind a window ) you can use this printer to recycle old notices and put new ones up .
These notices are not touched or punctured and are replaced frequently .
If you only have a single notice board your probably better off just getting a flat screen monitor that displays the notices ( probably cheaper given the cost ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have a lot of notice boards (with the notices behind a window) you can use this printer to recycle old notices and put new ones up.
These notices are not touched or punctured and are replaced frequently.
If you only have a single notice board your probably better off just getting a flat screen monitor that displays the notices (probably cheaper given the cost).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128002</id>
	<title>Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>kent\_eh</author>
	<datestamp>1266084720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>These proprietary plastic sheets sound a bit like a consumable to me. <br>
Yeah, they're re-usable. But if it's stuck in a filing cabinet then you can't re-use it now can you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>These proprietary plastic sheets sound a bit like a consumable to me .
Yeah , they 're re-usable .
But if it 's stuck in a filing cabinet then you ca n't re-use it now can you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These proprietary plastic sheets sound a bit like a consumable to me.
Yeah, they're re-usable.
But if it's stuck in a filing cabinet then you can't re-use it now can you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31132316</id>
	<title>forms?</title>
	<author>hitmark</author>
	<datestamp>1266080940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what i usually print out these days are forms of some kind. this sounds like the heat print paper found in faxes and similar, and those are usually hell to write on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what i usually print out these days are forms of some kind .
this sounds like the heat print paper found in faxes and similar , and those are usually hell to write on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what i usually print out these days are forms of some kind.
this sounds like the heat print paper found in faxes and similar, and those are usually hell to write on.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31130432</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>cntThnkofAname</author>
	<datestamp>1266060000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's a good point, but paper isn't stuck in filing cabinets forever. I work a pretty lame job of filing such papers (at least I have a job right?) that have been moved from some company to the one I work for, for 10 year storage and destruction. Day in and day out I sort through 10 kilo plus, boxes of random paper and no one will probably ever care about again.
<br> <br>
We've been using consumable paper since the Egyptians first wrote on papyrus. You think a few millennia later we would have something better eh?  It may not be perfect ATM, but having a re-usable option is a great step in the right direction IMO.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a good point , but paper is n't stuck in filing cabinets forever .
I work a pretty lame job of filing such papers ( at least I have a job right ?
) that have been moved from some company to the one I work for , for 10 year storage and destruction .
Day in and day out I sort through 10 kilo plus , boxes of random paper and no one will probably ever care about again .
We 've been using consumable paper since the Egyptians first wrote on papyrus .
You think a few millennia later we would have something better eh ?
It may not be perfect ATM , but having a re-usable option is a great step in the right direction IMO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a good point, but paper isn't stuck in filing cabinets forever.
I work a pretty lame job of filing such papers (at least I have a job right?
) that have been moved from some company to the one I work for, for 10 year storage and destruction.
Day in and day out I sort through 10 kilo plus, boxes of random paper and no one will probably ever care about again.
We've been using consumable paper since the Egyptians first wrote on papyrus.
You think a few millennia later we would have something better eh?
It may not be perfect ATM, but having a re-usable option is a great step in the right direction IMO.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128002</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128110</id>
	<title>What's the point?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266085440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So the plastic sheets cost $3.30 each (if you buy 1000).  A ream of paper costs about $5 if you buy just one.  The likelihood of actually reusing the average sheet of this stuff 1000 times is negligible (10 times would be lucky in the average business environment), especially since I wouldn't be surprised if the sheet wouldn't be usable again if it ever got folded or creased.  It seems like it doesn't make economic sense.</p><p>I also don't see how this prevents CO2 emission.  As I see it, paper causes CO2 to be removed from the atmosphere because trees are grown specifically to make paper.  Paper is almost entirely composed of CO2 that was previously in the atmosphere.  Plastic, on the other hand, is a petroleum product, and using more oil is definitely contributing to increased CO2 emissions.  It doesn't really make environmental sense either.</p><p>Now it is possible that there are a few cases that it might be more environmentally friendly if an organization somehow retools itself to make perfectly efficient use of this technology, but this would be difficult, unlikely, and it's definitely not going to be cost effective.</p><p>I guess it's at least a neat idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So the plastic sheets cost $ 3.30 each ( if you buy 1000 ) .
A ream of paper costs about $ 5 if you buy just one .
The likelihood of actually reusing the average sheet of this stuff 1000 times is negligible ( 10 times would be lucky in the average business environment ) , especially since I would n't be surprised if the sheet would n't be usable again if it ever got folded or creased .
It seems like it does n't make economic sense.I also do n't see how this prevents CO2 emission .
As I see it , paper causes CO2 to be removed from the atmosphere because trees are grown specifically to make paper .
Paper is almost entirely composed of CO2 that was previously in the atmosphere .
Plastic , on the other hand , is a petroleum product , and using more oil is definitely contributing to increased CO2 emissions .
It does n't really make environmental sense either.Now it is possible that there are a few cases that it might be more environmentally friendly if an organization somehow retools itself to make perfectly efficient use of this technology , but this would be difficult , unlikely , and it 's definitely not going to be cost effective.I guess it 's at least a neat idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the plastic sheets cost $3.30 each (if you buy 1000).
A ream of paper costs about $5 if you buy just one.
The likelihood of actually reusing the average sheet of this stuff 1000 times is negligible (10 times would be lucky in the average business environment), especially since I wouldn't be surprised if the sheet wouldn't be usable again if it ever got folded or creased.
It seems like it doesn't make economic sense.I also don't see how this prevents CO2 emission.
As I see it, paper causes CO2 to be removed from the atmosphere because trees are grown specifically to make paper.
Paper is almost entirely composed of CO2 that was previously in the atmosphere.
Plastic, on the other hand, is a petroleum product, and using more oil is definitely contributing to increased CO2 emissions.
It doesn't really make environmental sense either.Now it is possible that there are a few cases that it might be more environmentally friendly if an organization somehow retools itself to make perfectly efficient use of this technology, but this would be difficult, unlikely, and it's definitely not going to be cost effective.I guess it's at least a neat idea.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128702</id>
	<title>The 1980's called.</title>
	<author>patjhal</author>
	<datestamp>1266089580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They want their printer back.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They want their printer back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They want their printer back.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31151018</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>lena\_10326</author>
	<datestamp>1266242880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Pro-tip: Anything that's "resuable" that has a limit on the number of times it can be re-used like, say CD-RWs or this plastic paper, are actually consumable</p></div></blockquote><p>

Not to be a contrarian but... your monitor is a form of reusable "paper". An LCD monitor is theoretically reusable for centuries if properly cared for and shielded from power spikes.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pro-tip : Anything that 's " resuable " that has a limit on the number of times it can be re-used like , say CD-RWs or this plastic paper , are actually consumable Not to be a contrarian but... your monitor is a form of reusable " paper " .
An LCD monitor is theoretically reusable for centuries if properly cared for and shielded from power spikes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pro-tip: Anything that's "resuable" that has a limit on the number of times it can be re-used like, say CD-RWs or this plastic paper, are actually consumable

Not to be a contrarian but... your monitor is a form of reusable "paper".
An LCD monitor is theoretically reusable for centuries if properly cared for and shielded from power spikes.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128202</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128224</id>
	<title>I've been in the copier printer business for 30</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266086160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>years, I've seen "green" ideas come and go, but still here we are 30 years later, and we are still putting ink or toner on paper.
In the mid 80's, the "paperless" office idea was run up the flag pole, and friends of mine said I better look for another line of
work.  I just laughed.  I said as long as we have a government, with regulations, we'll have paper.  These idiots have to justify
their jobs some how, and paper reports is how they do it.  When the HIPPA laws came into being a few years ago, my work load
INCREASED, just from the extra copying &amp; printing those silly laws generated.
For the past few years, I've tried until I'm blue in the face to talk people into going toward electronic filing &amp; document storage, only
to be told no, because "we've always done it with paper".
It's a mind set...people don't like change and sometimes will push against change.

In the early 80's, fax machines were taking off big time, but it was hard to convince people to give up messenger services and go with
a fax machine.  The fax was faster, cheaper than using a courier service, but, some would say "we've always had a courier".
Now, I'm having the same problem getting people to give up a fax machine, because scan to e-mail is faster, and cheaper, but people
say "we've always had a fax machine".

People just don't brace technology sometimes.  I gave up trying to change peoples minds.  I show them the benefit, the cost savings,
the time savings, and if they don't get it, I just let it go.  Their money, not mine.
Human nature......go figure.</htmltext>
<tokenext>years , I 've seen " green " ideas come and go , but still here we are 30 years later , and we are still putting ink or toner on paper .
In the mid 80 's , the " paperless " office idea was run up the flag pole , and friends of mine said I better look for another line of work .
I just laughed .
I said as long as we have a government , with regulations , we 'll have paper .
These idiots have to justify their jobs some how , and paper reports is how they do it .
When the HIPPA laws came into being a few years ago , my work load INCREASED , just from the extra copying &amp; printing those silly laws generated .
For the past few years , I 've tried until I 'm blue in the face to talk people into going toward electronic filing &amp; document storage , only to be told no , because " we 've always done it with paper " .
It 's a mind set...people do n't like change and sometimes will push against change .
In the early 80 's , fax machines were taking off big time , but it was hard to convince people to give up messenger services and go with a fax machine .
The fax was faster , cheaper than using a courier service , but , some would say " we 've always had a courier " .
Now , I 'm having the same problem getting people to give up a fax machine , because scan to e-mail is faster , and cheaper , but people say " we 've always had a fax machine " .
People just do n't brace technology sometimes .
I gave up trying to change peoples minds .
I show them the benefit , the cost savings , the time savings , and if they do n't get it , I just let it go .
Their money , not mine .
Human nature......go figure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>years, I've seen "green" ideas come and go, but still here we are 30 years later, and we are still putting ink or toner on paper.
In the mid 80's, the "paperless" office idea was run up the flag pole, and friends of mine said I better look for another line of
work.
I just laughed.
I said as long as we have a government, with regulations, we'll have paper.
These idiots have to justify
their jobs some how, and paper reports is how they do it.
When the HIPPA laws came into being a few years ago, my work load
INCREASED, just from the extra copying &amp; printing those silly laws generated.
For the past few years, I've tried until I'm blue in the face to talk people into going toward electronic filing &amp; document storage, only
to be told no, because "we've always done it with paper".
It's a mind set...people don't like change and sometimes will push against change.
In the early 80's, fax machines were taking off big time, but it was hard to convince people to give up messenger services and go with
a fax machine.
The fax was faster, cheaper than using a courier service, but, some would say "we've always had a courier".
Now, I'm having the same problem getting people to give up a fax machine, because scan to e-mail is faster, and cheaper, but people
say "we've always had a fax machine".
People just don't brace technology sometimes.
I gave up trying to change peoples minds.
I show them the benefit, the cost savings,
the time savings, and if they don't get it, I just let it go.
Their money, not mine.
Human nature......go figure.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128638</id>
	<title>To anyone who thinks this is dumb.</title>
	<author>DallasMay</author>
	<datestamp>1266089160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This could save millions of dollars in education alone. I used to tach a science class and would make hundreds of copies every day. This could save schools millions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This could save millions of dollars in education alone .
I used to tach a science class and would make hundreds of copies every day .
This could save schools millions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This could save millions of dollars in education alone.
I used to tach a science class and would make hundreds of copies every day.
This could save schools millions.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31129486</id>
	<title>the bean-counter math does not work out</title>
	<author>Ancient\_Hacker</author>
	<datestamp>1266052620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The math just does not work  out.</p><p>At $5,600 for the printer, just the interest alone is $300 a year.  For that you can buy 100,000 sheets of copy paper a year.  If you expect the printer to last 5 years, that's another $1,100 that could go towards buying almost 400,000 sheets of paper.</p><p>And I doubt if the plastic sheets can be reused more than 10 times in a typical office situation.  They're going to get wrinkled, bent, curled, and soiled after just ten cycles.  Most printers balk at feeding paper that is even slightly curled.   Let's assume 10 uses is a practical limit. So this 33 cent sheet of plastic is now costing you 3 cents a page, ten times more than the equivalent piece of paper.</p><p>Now a good deal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The math just does not work out.At $ 5,600 for the printer , just the interest alone is $ 300 a year .
For that you can buy 100,000 sheets of copy paper a year .
If you expect the printer to last 5 years , that 's another $ 1,100 that could go towards buying almost 400,000 sheets of paper.And I doubt if the plastic sheets can be reused more than 10 times in a typical office situation .
They 're going to get wrinkled , bent , curled , and soiled after just ten cycles .
Most printers balk at feeding paper that is even slightly curled .
Let 's assume 10 uses is a practical limit .
So this 33 cent sheet of plastic is now costing you 3 cents a page , ten times more than the equivalent piece of paper.Now a good deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The math just does not work  out.At $5,600 for the printer, just the interest alone is $300 a year.
For that you can buy 100,000 sheets of copy paper a year.
If you expect the printer to last 5 years, that's another $1,100 that could go towards buying almost 400,000 sheets of paper.And I doubt if the plastic sheets can be reused more than 10 times in a typical office situation.
They're going to get wrinkled, bent, curled, and soiled after just ten cycles.
Most printers balk at feeding paper that is even slightly curled.
Let's assume 10 uses is a practical limit.
So this 33 cent sheet of plastic is now costing you 3 cents a page, ten times more than the equivalent piece of paper.Now a good deal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128032</id>
	<title>$3.30 each?</title>
	<author>FrostDust</author>
	<datestamp>1266084960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How soon until one doesn't feel guilty about throwing away a sheet?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How soon until one does n't feel guilty about throwing away a sheet ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How soon until one doesn't feel guilty about throwing away a sheet?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31130070</id>
	<title>Cost</title>
	<author>jklovanc</author>
	<datestamp>1266057060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I keep having to do math to debunk so many reports. The page that uses<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.3 yen as the sheet cost does not take into account sheets that are not returned. They are calculating it as if it is a closed system where every sheet print will be returned in re-printable condition. Pages can be lost, damaged , written on, or stored and never returned. The true cost of using these sheets is as follows;</p><p>((purchase cost) + (replacement cost of non returned sheets))/cycle size</p><p>Replacement cost is the cost to replace each failed sheet (damaged or not returned) over the life of one page as follows;<br>(purchase cost * failure rate * cycle size)</p><p>Therefore with a purchase cost of 300yen, a failure rate of 10\% (I am being generous) and a cycle of 1000 the cost per printing would be;</p><p>(300 +(300*.1*1000))/1000 = 30yen.</p><p>Even with the questionable power costs added that would be almost 4 times as expensive as plain paper.</p><p>Bump that up to a 30\% failure and you get a cost of 91 yen/printing and 11x the cost of plain paper. To the "no shedding costs" comments; there is still a cost to erase the pages before they are returned to the printer for recycling.</p><p>They also do not factor the cost of collecting, sorting and cleaning the returned pages .</p><p>Another aspect not touched on is print speed. According to the specifications the printer takes 3 to 6 seconds per page to print. I am talking about the commercial printers not the desktop version. Yeah I am going to wait ten minutes to print 100 pages. That is very poor throughput.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I keep having to do math to debunk so many reports .
The page that uses .3 yen as the sheet cost does not take into account sheets that are not returned .
They are calculating it as if it is a closed system where every sheet print will be returned in re-printable condition .
Pages can be lost , damaged , written on , or stored and never returned .
The true cost of using these sheets is as follows ; ( ( purchase cost ) + ( replacement cost of non returned sheets ) ) /cycle sizeReplacement cost is the cost to replace each failed sheet ( damaged or not returned ) over the life of one page as follows ; ( purchase cost * failure rate * cycle size ) Therefore with a purchase cost of 300yen , a failure rate of 10 \ % ( I am being generous ) and a cycle of 1000 the cost per printing would be ; ( 300 + ( 300 * .1 * 1000 ) ) /1000 = 30yen.Even with the questionable power costs added that would be almost 4 times as expensive as plain paper.Bump that up to a 30 \ % failure and you get a cost of 91 yen/printing and 11x the cost of plain paper .
To the " no shedding costs " comments ; there is still a cost to erase the pages before they are returned to the printer for recycling.They also do not factor the cost of collecting , sorting and cleaning the returned pages .Another aspect not touched on is print speed .
According to the specifications the printer takes 3 to 6 seconds per page to print .
I am talking about the commercial printers not the desktop version .
Yeah I am going to wait ten minutes to print 100 pages .
That is very poor throughput .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I keep having to do math to debunk so many reports.
The page that uses .3 yen as the sheet cost does not take into account sheets that are not returned.
They are calculating it as if it is a closed system where every sheet print will be returned in re-printable condition.
Pages can be lost, damaged , written on, or stored and never returned.
The true cost of using these sheets is as follows;((purchase cost) + (replacement cost of non returned sheets))/cycle sizeReplacement cost is the cost to replace each failed sheet (damaged or not returned) over the life of one page as follows;(purchase cost * failure rate * cycle size)Therefore with a purchase cost of 300yen, a failure rate of 10\% (I am being generous) and a cycle of 1000 the cost per printing would be;(300 +(300*.1*1000))/1000 = 30yen.Even with the questionable power costs added that would be almost 4 times as expensive as plain paper.Bump that up to a 30\% failure and you get a cost of 91 yen/printing and 11x the cost of plain paper.
To the "no shedding costs" comments; there is still a cost to erase the pages before they are returned to the printer for recycling.They also do not factor the cost of collecting, sorting and cleaning the returned pages .Another aspect not touched on is print speed.
According to the specifications the printer takes 3 to 6 seconds per page to print.
I am talking about the commercial printers not the desktop version.
Yeah I am going to wait ten minutes to print 100 pages.
That is very poor throughput.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31132886</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266089400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And the electricity is of course not a consumable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And the electricity is of course not a consumable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the electricity is of course not a consumable.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128002</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31135954</id>
	<title>Re:Are Brains Engaged Today?</title>
	<author>netsharc</author>
	<datestamp>1266177540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you seriously asking office workers of the USA to use their brains? I think you'll hear from their union, that was never in their contract!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you seriously asking office workers of the USA to use their brains ?
I think you 'll hear from their union , that was never in their contract !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you seriously asking office workers of the USA to use their brains?
I think you'll hear from their union, that was never in their contract!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31129886</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128650</id>
	<title>Re:I've been in the copier printer business for 30</title>
	<author>DallasMay</author>
	<datestamp>1266089220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're thinking wrong. Don't think office, think K-12 education. This could save school districts $MILLIONS every year.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're thinking wrong .
Do n't think office , think K-12 education .
This could save school districts $ MILLIONS every year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're thinking wrong.
Don't think office, think K-12 education.
This could save school districts $MILLIONS every year.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128224</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128890</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>Sillygates</author>
	<datestamp>1266091080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yeah, they're re-usable. But if it's stuck in a filing cabinet then you can't re-use it now can you.</p></div><p>And, even in a good office, I'd be amazed if even half of them got recycled into the system, and not lost/thrown away.
<br> <br>
Confidential documents?
<br>
* Recovery of the last print might be possible?<br>
* It's a pain to erase the pages (refeeding into an appliance)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , they 're re-usable .
But if it 's stuck in a filing cabinet then you ca n't re-use it now can you.And , even in a good office , I 'd be amazed if even half of them got recycled into the system , and not lost/thrown away .
Confidential documents ?
* Recovery of the last print might be possible ?
* It 's a pain to erase the pages ( refeeding into an appliance )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, they're re-usable.
But if it's stuck in a filing cabinet then you can't re-use it now can you.And, even in a good office, I'd be amazed if even half of them got recycled into the system, and not lost/thrown away.
Confidential documents?
* Recovery of the last print might be possible?
* It's a pain to erase the pages (refeeding into an appliance)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128002</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31139914</id>
	<title>Re:I've been in the copier printer business for 30</title>
	<author>Dan B.</author>
	<datestamp>1266161700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well I might work for the biggest player in the industry and have <i>slightly</i> tainted views of this, but this concept is not new</p><p>Add to that, the 'non-consumable' paper is still $3.30 a piece, or at best, $0.0033 (0.3 of a cent). Since regular paper is 0.5 to 0.8c anyway, you would absolutely need to get your full usage out of your plastic to be saving money since the cost of a b/w print is less than a cent too.</p><p>Paper + B/W print = 1.2c<br>Thermal + plastic = $3.30<br>Break even is therefore 275 uses per sheet... Good luck with that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well I might work for the biggest player in the industry and have slightly tainted views of this , but this concept is not newAdd to that , the 'non-consumable ' paper is still $ 3.30 a piece , or at best , $ 0.0033 ( 0.3 of a cent ) .
Since regular paper is 0.5 to 0.8c anyway , you would absolutely need to get your full usage out of your plastic to be saving money since the cost of a b/w print is less than a cent too.Paper + B/W print = 1.2cThermal + plastic = $ 3.30Break even is therefore 275 uses per sheet... Good luck with that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well I might work for the biggest player in the industry and have slightly tainted views of this, but this concept is not newAdd to that, the 'non-consumable' paper is still $3.30 a piece, or at best, $0.0033 (0.3 of a cent).
Since regular paper is 0.5 to 0.8c anyway, you would absolutely need to get your full usage out of your plastic to be saving money since the cost of a b/w print is less than a cent too.Paper + B/W print = 1.2cThermal + plastic = $3.30Break even is therefore 275 uses per sheet... Good luck with that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128058</id>
	<title>Heat Pen?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266085140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For writing on these sheets with?</htmltext>
<tokenext>For writing on these sheets with ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For writing on these sheets with?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31129144</id>
	<title>Re:usefullness?</title>
	<author>Dutch Gun</author>
	<datestamp>1266093300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Or because I need to keep a permanent copy, so I would never re-use the plastic.</p></div><p>It's curious you say that...  You consider a paper copy "permanent"?  I've always considered the electronic copy to be the "permanent" and original document (presuming it's well backed-up), while a paper copy is a transient snapshot, something that can be handed out for easy reference during a meeting and discarded at whim, because one can always print more.</p><p>I wonder if the lack of paperless offices around the world are as much about psychology as practicality?  There are probably very few cases where printed paper couldn't be completely eliminated with a bit of ingenuity and careful planning, but I think too many people don't perceive documents as real and permanent unless they're printed on paper.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or because I need to keep a permanent copy , so I would never re-use the plastic.It 's curious you say that... You consider a paper copy " permanent " ?
I 've always considered the electronic copy to be the " permanent " and original document ( presuming it 's well backed-up ) , while a paper copy is a transient snapshot , something that can be handed out for easy reference during a meeting and discarded at whim , because one can always print more.I wonder if the lack of paperless offices around the world are as much about psychology as practicality ?
There are probably very few cases where printed paper could n't be completely eliminated with a bit of ingenuity and careful planning , but I think too many people do n't perceive documents as real and permanent unless they 're printed on paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or because I need to keep a permanent copy, so I would never re-use the plastic.It's curious you say that...  You consider a paper copy "permanent"?
I've always considered the electronic copy to be the "permanent" and original document (presuming it's well backed-up), while a paper copy is a transient snapshot, something that can be handed out for easy reference during a meeting and discarded at whim, because one can always print more.I wonder if the lack of paperless offices around the world are as much about psychology as practicality?
There are probably very few cases where printed paper couldn't be completely eliminated with a bit of ingenuity and careful planning, but I think too many people don't perceive documents as real and permanent unless they're printed on paper.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31129638</id>
	<title>Re:I've been in the copier printer business for 30</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266053640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You portray the email scenario in the worst conditions, and the Fax scenario in the best:</p><p>Like yours,a lot of faxes are both fax and scanner in one, these often have a scan button on the device, which will automaticly launch the scan software on your pc, even better, most scansoftware allows you to set a default location (eg: My Documents/Scans) and filename (eg: scan\_\%date\%.jpg). So in effect, pressing the SCAN button on the device will just toss a digital jpeg version in the appropriate folder without having to touch the pc.</p><p>Assuming you have a shortcut to the Scans directory on your desktop, it would only take 3 mouse clicks to open that folder, rightclick the appropriate scan, and select SEND BY EMAIL.</p><p>Entering the email address doesnt take any more effort than entering the faxnumber, and the body&amp;subject are optional. Oh, and in case you do choose to fill these out, they provide additional benefit to the receiver, such as being able to search their large inbox for this email many many months later and finding it within seconds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You portray the email scenario in the worst conditions , and the Fax scenario in the best : Like yours,a lot of faxes are both fax and scanner in one , these often have a scan button on the device , which will automaticly launch the scan software on your pc , even better , most scansoftware allows you to set a default location ( eg : My Documents/Scans ) and filename ( eg : scan \ _ \ % date \ % .jpg ) .
So in effect , pressing the SCAN button on the device will just toss a digital jpeg version in the appropriate folder without having to touch the pc.Assuming you have a shortcut to the Scans directory on your desktop , it would only take 3 mouse clicks to open that folder , rightclick the appropriate scan , and select SEND BY EMAIL.Entering the email address doesnt take any more effort than entering the faxnumber , and the body&amp;subject are optional .
Oh , and in case you do choose to fill these out , they provide additional benefit to the receiver , such as being able to search their large inbox for this email many many months later and finding it within seconds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You portray the email scenario in the worst conditions, and the Fax scenario in the best:Like yours,a lot of faxes are both fax and scanner in one, these often have a scan button on the device, which will automaticly launch the scan software on your pc, even better, most scansoftware allows you to set a default location (eg: My Documents/Scans) and filename (eg: scan\_\%date\%.jpg).
So in effect, pressing the SCAN button on the device will just toss a digital jpeg version in the appropriate folder without having to touch the pc.Assuming you have a shortcut to the Scans directory on your desktop, it would only take 3 mouse clicks to open that folder, rightclick the appropriate scan, and select SEND BY EMAIL.Entering the email address doesnt take any more effort than entering the faxnumber, and the body&amp;subject are optional.
Oh, and in case you do choose to fill these out, they provide additional benefit to the receiver, such as being able to search their large inbox for this email many many months later and finding it within seconds.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128712</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128970</id>
	<title>Re:$3.30 each?</title>
	<author>Garble Snarky</author>
	<datestamp>1266091740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why would you throw one away?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you throw one away ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you throw one away?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128032</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128188</id>
	<title>Uh.... no.</title>
	<author>mark-t</author>
	<datestamp>1266085920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
If you ask me, I think that epaper, eink, or some other bistable and non-emissive display technology will be the way that people in the future will manage documents that aren't intended for permanent posterity.
</p><p>
And with the unit itself priced at over $5K, I really don't see this taking off anytime soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you ask me , I think that epaper , eink , or some other bistable and non-emissive display technology will be the way that people in the future will manage documents that are n't intended for permanent posterity .
And with the unit itself priced at over $ 5K , I really do n't see this taking off anytime soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
If you ask me, I think that epaper, eink, or some other bistable and non-emissive display technology will be the way that people in the future will manage documents that aren't intended for permanent posterity.
And with the unit itself priced at over $5K, I really don't see this taking off anytime soon.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31165030</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but....</title>
	<author>drkim</author>
	<datestamp>1266343080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's OK,
<br>
Linux users got root.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's OK , Linux users got root .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's OK,

Linux users got root.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128940</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31129482</id>
	<title>Never seen so many people</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266052560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; shit on a new idea that has been implemented.<br>It is a great fucking idea, it is in the very essence a step in the right direction, from which I hope new, viable technology will sprung from. You, who fucking criticize this shit, shame on you! Do you think green clean technology develops in the vacuum and in perfect way?</p><p>
&nbsp; I applaud the company for putting their money where their mouth is unlike all of u fucking naysers who complain and bitch because it is not perfect.</p><p>
&nbsp; I am very happy to see that technology coming out! Thank you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>  shit on a new idea that has been implemented.It is a great fucking idea , it is in the very essence a step in the right direction , from which I hope new , viable technology will sprung from .
You , who fucking criticize this shit , shame on you !
Do you think green clean technology develops in the vacuum and in perfect way ?
  I applaud the company for putting their money where their mouth is unlike all of u fucking naysers who complain and bitch because it is not perfect .
  I am very happy to see that technology coming out !
Thank you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
  shit on a new idea that has been implemented.It is a great fucking idea, it is in the very essence a step in the right direction, from which I hope new, viable technology will sprung from.
You, who fucking criticize this shit, shame on you!
Do you think green clean technology develops in the vacuum and in perfect way?
  I applaud the company for putting their money where their mouth is unlike all of u fucking naysers who complain and bitch because it is not perfect.
  I am very happy to see that technology coming out!
Thank you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31132688</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266086040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder how well this product would work in a classified environment and how easy it would be to try and recover the last printing on an erased piece of paper/ plastic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how well this product would work in a classified environment and how easy it would be to try and recover the last printing on an erased piece of paper/ plastic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how well this product would work in a classified environment and how easy it would be to try and recover the last printing on an erased piece of paper/ plastic.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128226</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128250</id>
	<title>True for the individual, not the office use case</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266086400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Vast numbers of trees are killed every year because office workers print out stuff for each other, then chuck them in the bin<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/recycle box.<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Vast numbers of trees are killed every year because office workers print out stuff for each other , then chuck them in the bin /recycle box .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vast numbers of trees are killed every year because office workers print out stuff for each other, then chuck them in the bin /recycle box.
 </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128044</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31129496</id>
	<title>Re:I've been in the copier printer business for 30</title>
	<author>NJRoadfan</author>
	<datestamp>1266052740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fax machines live on because of security concerns. E-mail still isn't viewed as a secure medium by many businesses and government offices. Also just about everyone has a fax number and machine that you know someone is going to monitor as opposed to a spam filtered and ignored "main" e-mail address.</p><p>Also do scanned and e-mailed signed documents carry the same legal weight as signed documents that were faxed? In theory they are exactly the same, but no one seems to view the e-mail method as legit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fax machines live on because of security concerns .
E-mail still is n't viewed as a secure medium by many businesses and government offices .
Also just about everyone has a fax number and machine that you know someone is going to monitor as opposed to a spam filtered and ignored " main " e-mail address.Also do scanned and e-mailed signed documents carry the same legal weight as signed documents that were faxed ?
In theory they are exactly the same , but no one seems to view the e-mail method as legit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fax machines live on because of security concerns.
E-mail still isn't viewed as a secure medium by many businesses and government offices.
Also just about everyone has a fax number and machine that you know someone is going to monitor as opposed to a spam filtered and ignored "main" e-mail address.Also do scanned and e-mailed signed documents carry the same legal weight as signed documents that were faxed?
In theory they are exactly the same, but no one seems to view the e-mail method as legit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128224</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31140352</id>
	<title>Re:Japanese Businesses Waste a Lot of Paper</title>
	<author>Macgrrl</author>
	<datestamp>1266165780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like a variant on a printer Xerox were working on a few years back. Refer to entry on UV printers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer\_(computing)#Inkless\_printers).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like a variant on a printer Xerox were working on a few years back .
Refer to entry on UV printers ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer \ _ ( computing ) # Inkless \ _printers ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like a variant on a printer Xerox were working on a few years back.
Refer to entry on UV printers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer\_(computing)#Inkless\_printers).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31131956</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>FragHARD</author>
	<datestamp>1266076140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Of course there reusable when you need to leave them in a filing cabinet for any length of time you can just run them through the copier and put the copies in their place then reuse the plastic sheets! This could also save a lot of printer time as you only need to print one copy of a document that needs to be distributed to say 500 people then place that original plastic on the copier and make 500 copies... in the mean time the printer could be printing other jobs<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;) I think this is a great idea don't know why they haven't thought of it before ???</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course there reusable when you need to leave them in a filing cabinet for any length of time you can just run them through the copier and put the copies in their place then reuse the plastic sheets !
This could also save a lot of printer time as you only need to print one copy of a document that needs to be distributed to say 500 people then place that original plastic on the copier and make 500 copies... in the mean time the printer could be printing other jobs ; ) I think this is a great idea do n't know why they have n't thought of it before ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course there reusable when you need to leave them in a filing cabinet for any length of time you can just run them through the copier and put the copies in their place then reuse the plastic sheets!
This could also save a lot of printer time as you only need to print one copy of a document that needs to be distributed to say 500 people then place that original plastic on the copier and make 500 copies... in the mean time the printer could be printing other jobs ;) I think this is a great idea don't know why they haven't thought of it before ??
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128812</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>jellomizer</author>
	<datestamp>1266090540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not to mention...</p><p>For me when ever I print something out it is for the following reasons</p><p>1. It is something I needed stored for a long time and put cabinet and pulled back if I need it again and it is not on my computer.<br>2. For something I will need to take a pen and sketch or in general mark up... Check boxes, take extra notes around or highlight key fields.<br>3. Something I can fold up into say a booklet (a lot of people doesn't like doing this but I do) so I can read more carefully.</p><p>This type of printing will make me in general afraid to print out anything because I will need to really take care of the paper.  Which I don't want to take the responsibility for.</p><p>Consumable Free printers will be worthless until it can print on normal or at least very affordable (Less then carbon paper)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to mention...For me when ever I print something out it is for the following reasons1 .
It is something I needed stored for a long time and put cabinet and pulled back if I need it again and it is not on my computer.2 .
For something I will need to take a pen and sketch or in general mark up... Check boxes , take extra notes around or highlight key fields.3 .
Something I can fold up into say a booklet ( a lot of people does n't like doing this but I do ) so I can read more carefully.This type of printing will make me in general afraid to print out anything because I will need to really take care of the paper .
Which I do n't want to take the responsibility for.Consumable Free printers will be worthless until it can print on normal or at least very affordable ( Less then carbon paper )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to mention...For me when ever I print something out it is for the following reasons1.
It is something I needed stored for a long time and put cabinet and pulled back if I need it again and it is not on my computer.2.
For something I will need to take a pen and sketch or in general mark up... Check boxes, take extra notes around or highlight key fields.3.
Something I can fold up into say a booklet (a lot of people doesn't like doing this but I do) so I can read more carefully.This type of printing will make me in general afraid to print out anything because I will need to really take care of the paper.
Which I don't want to take the responsibility for.Consumable Free printers will be worthless until it can print on normal or at least very affordable (Less then carbon paper)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31131540</id>
	<title>Wrong Price</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266071340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The guy in the video said hyakugojuman en, which is 1,500,000 yen. or about $16,666.66 USD</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The guy in the video said hyakugojuman en , which is 1,500,000 yen .
or about $ 16,666.66 USD</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The guy in the video said hyakugojuman en, which is 1,500,000 yen.
or about $16,666.66 USD</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31133008</id>
	<title>$3K for 1000 sheets of paper</title>
	<author>bell.colin</author>
	<datestamp>1266177840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For about $900-1200 (or more, but under 3K) i could buy a full convertible Tablet PC with 80GB+ of storage, way more than a 1000 sheets of paper and not need for $5K printer.</p><p>Just another cool, but useless very expensive tech fad of the week to show off with (almost just like the Tablet PCs, but they are least usefull in other ways)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For about $ 900-1200 ( or more , but under 3K ) i could buy a full convertible Tablet PC with 80GB + of storage , way more than a 1000 sheets of paper and not need for $ 5K printer.Just another cool , but useless very expensive tech fad of the week to show off with ( almost just like the Tablet PCs , but they are least usefull in other ways )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For about $900-1200 (or more, but under 3K) i could buy a full convertible Tablet PC with 80GB+ of storage, way more than a 1000 sheets of paper and not need for $5K printer.Just another cool, but useless very expensive tech fad of the week to show off with (almost just like the Tablet PCs, but they are least usefull in other ways)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128044</id>
	<title>usefullness?</title>
	<author>green1</author>
	<datestamp>1266085020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's great and all, but if I was keeping the physical piece of "paper" I wouldn't need to print it in the first place, and if I did need to print it, I would want it to be permanent, so I wouldn't be ever re-using the sheet. I print things either because other people need them, so I'd be giving away all my expensive plastic sheets in no time flat. Or because I need to keep a permanent copy, so I would never re-use the plastic. Many of those I didn't give away would have been cut up to make quick reference cards, labels, etc.</p><p>If they came up with a way to do this with plain paper (say some form of laser etching which required no toner/ink/film/etc) I'd be interested, but as long as it only works with it's own proprietary "paper" this is pretty much useless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's great and all , but if I was keeping the physical piece of " paper " I would n't need to print it in the first place , and if I did need to print it , I would want it to be permanent , so I would n't be ever re-using the sheet .
I print things either because other people need them , so I 'd be giving away all my expensive plastic sheets in no time flat .
Or because I need to keep a permanent copy , so I would never re-use the plastic .
Many of those I did n't give away would have been cut up to make quick reference cards , labels , etc.If they came up with a way to do this with plain paper ( say some form of laser etching which required no toner/ink/film/etc ) I 'd be interested , but as long as it only works with it 's own proprietary " paper " this is pretty much useless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's great and all, but if I was keeping the physical piece of "paper" I wouldn't need to print it in the first place, and if I did need to print it, I would want it to be permanent, so I wouldn't be ever re-using the sheet.
I print things either because other people need them, so I'd be giving away all my expensive plastic sheets in no time flat.
Or because I need to keep a permanent copy, so I would never re-use the plastic.
Many of those I didn't give away would have been cut up to make quick reference cards, labels, etc.If they came up with a way to do this with plain paper (say some form of laser etching which required no toner/ink/film/etc) I'd be interested, but as long as it only works with it's own proprietary "paper" this is pretty much useless.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31131530</id>
	<title>Japanese Businesses Waste a Lot of Paper</title>
	<author>kklein</author>
	<datestamp>1266071220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've lived over here in Japan for the better part of 10 years, and I can totally see how this could make a difference. Every meeting I go to has a paper agenda handed out at the door, which is promptly thrown away as soon as I'm back to my office. My pigeonhole fills up every few days with--I'm not kidding--paper versions of the emails I've gotten.

</p><p>Culturally, Japan is a lot more hands-on than the US. A lot of paperwork is still done by hand and most purchases are done with cash. Paper, actually, is a sacred object in Shinto, the indigenous religion of Japan. It's dangerous to read too much into that, but suffice it to say that Japan likes paper.

</p><p>This might really be useful over here, but I'm curious about build quality. Sanwa is a pretty minor computer company, mostly making cheap peripherals. Crummy generic Chinese VOIP headsets, etc...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've lived over here in Japan for the better part of 10 years , and I can totally see how this could make a difference .
Every meeting I go to has a paper agenda handed out at the door , which is promptly thrown away as soon as I 'm back to my office .
My pigeonhole fills up every few days with--I 'm not kidding--paper versions of the emails I 've gotten .
Culturally , Japan is a lot more hands-on than the US .
A lot of paperwork is still done by hand and most purchases are done with cash .
Paper , actually , is a sacred object in Shinto , the indigenous religion of Japan .
It 's dangerous to read too much into that , but suffice it to say that Japan likes paper .
This might really be useful over here , but I 'm curious about build quality .
Sanwa is a pretty minor computer company , mostly making cheap peripherals .
Crummy generic Chinese VOIP headsets , etc.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've lived over here in Japan for the better part of 10 years, and I can totally see how this could make a difference.
Every meeting I go to has a paper agenda handed out at the door, which is promptly thrown away as soon as I'm back to my office.
My pigeonhole fills up every few days with--I'm not kidding--paper versions of the emails I've gotten.
Culturally, Japan is a lot more hands-on than the US.
A lot of paperwork is still done by hand and most purchases are done with cash.
Paper, actually, is a sacred object in Shinto, the indigenous religion of Japan.
It's dangerous to read too much into that, but suffice it to say that Japan likes paper.
This might really be useful over here, but I'm curious about build quality.
Sanwa is a pretty minor computer company, mostly making cheap peripherals.
Crummy generic Chinese VOIP headsets, etc...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31133078</id>
	<title>Re:Cost</title>
	<author>Tempete</author>
	<datestamp>1266179400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You forgot a pretty significant cost: ink.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You forgot a pretty significant cost : ink .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You forgot a pretty significant cost: ink.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31132532</id>
	<title>Re:Staples?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266084060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But they're plastic, not paper.  Paper clips won't work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But they 're plastic , not paper .
Paper clips wo n't work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But they're plastic, not paper.
Paper clips won't work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31130888</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>veganboyjosh</author>
	<datestamp>1266064140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll be in touch about the "Carbon Offset Offset" startup I'm working on getting going. We'll have parking lots full of Hummers idling while teams of folks pour fly around the world to dump used motor oil in lakes. <br> <br>

We could use some more forward thinkers like yourself with innovative ideas to neutralize the carbon neutral.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll be in touch about the " Carbon Offset Offset " startup I 'm working on getting going .
We 'll have parking lots full of Hummers idling while teams of folks pour fly around the world to dump used motor oil in lakes .
We could use some more forward thinkers like yourself with innovative ideas to neutralize the carbon neutral .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll be in touch about the "Carbon Offset Offset" startup I'm working on getting going.
We'll have parking lots full of Hummers idling while teams of folks pour fly around the world to dump used motor oil in lakes.
We could use some more forward thinkers like yourself with innovative ideas to neutralize the carbon neutral.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128642</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31129340</id>
	<title>And they still would be</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1266094740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I've got a boss who prints crap out all the time. Just random junk. Instead of forwarding an email to me, he'll print it out and hand it to me. And those random bits of junk get thrown away pretty quickly.</i></p><p>What makes you think that will also not happen a lot with these re-usable sheets?</p><p>That's the biggest problem I see, far too many people will treat them like paper and just get rid of them anyway.  It might (might) work if you mandated that all printing only be done on this paper, but honestly the overhead of obeying the mandate and as noted the constant loss anyway from printed stuff that is filed means that you have just introduced a lot of time wasting bother into your organization and a lot more expense for printing supplies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got a boss who prints crap out all the time .
Just random junk .
Instead of forwarding an email to me , he 'll print it out and hand it to me .
And those random bits of junk get thrown away pretty quickly.What makes you think that will also not happen a lot with these re-usable sheets ? That 's the biggest problem I see , far too many people will treat them like paper and just get rid of them anyway .
It might ( might ) work if you mandated that all printing only be done on this paper , but honestly the overhead of obeying the mandate and as noted the constant loss anyway from printed stuff that is filed means that you have just introduced a lot of time wasting bother into your organization and a lot more expense for printing supplies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got a boss who prints crap out all the time.
Just random junk.
Instead of forwarding an email to me, he'll print it out and hand it to me.
And those random bits of junk get thrown away pretty quickly.What makes you think that will also not happen a lot with these re-usable sheets?That's the biggest problem I see, far too many people will treat them like paper and just get rid of them anyway.
It might (might) work if you mandated that all printing only be done on this paper, but honestly the overhead of obeying the mandate and as noted the constant loss anyway from printed stuff that is filed means that you have just introduced a lot of time wasting bother into your organization and a lot more expense for printing supplies.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128226</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31131866</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266075180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Step 1:  Print sheet<br>Step 2:  Scan sheet<br>Step 3:  Reuse sheet<br>Step 4:<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>Step 5:  Profit</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Step 1 : Print sheetStep 2 : Scan sheetStep 3 : Reuse sheetStep 4 : ...Step 5 : Profit</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Step 1:  Print sheetStep 2:  Scan sheetStep 3:  Reuse sheetStep 4: ...Step 5:  Profit</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31132798</id>
	<title>Security</title>
	<author>p51d007</author>
	<datestamp>1266087960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I remember the same argument back in the early 90's.  Until the dopes in congress catch up to the technology, there will be those who say email isn't "secure" (ours have secure email features).  Congress had to pass another law to placate the lawyers so a signed and returned fax document was considered legal.  Heck, I bet 90\% of the dopes in congress can't even send a fax, without having 3,450 members of their staff to help out LOL.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember the same argument back in the early 90 's .
Until the dopes in congress catch up to the technology , there will be those who say email is n't " secure " ( ours have secure email features ) .
Congress had to pass another law to placate the lawyers so a signed and returned fax document was considered legal .
Heck , I bet 90 \ % of the dopes in congress ca n't even send a fax , without having 3,450 members of their staff to help out LOL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember the same argument back in the early 90's.
Until the dopes in congress catch up to the technology, there will be those who say email isn't "secure" (ours have secure email features).
Congress had to pass another law to placate the lawyers so a signed and returned fax document was considered legal.
Heck, I bet 90\% of the dopes in congress can't even send a fax, without having 3,450 members of their staff to help out LOL.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31129496</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31131562</id>
	<title>Is it just me or is this pretty old hat?</title>
	<author>FishTankX</author>
	<datestamp>1266071580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Japan has had this tech since about 2006.

Here is a Toshiba printer that uses the exact same technology.

<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6174052.stm" title="bbc.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6174052.stm</a> [bbc.co.uk]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Japan has had this tech since about 2006 .
Here is a Toshiba printer that uses the exact same technology .
http : //news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6174052.stm [ bbc.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Japan has had this tech since about 2006.
Here is a Toshiba printer that uses the exact same technology.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6174052.stm [bbc.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31129062</id>
	<title>Do the math</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266092640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's do the math and crunch the numbers.  I'm going to assume "Best Case Scenarios" because that's what marketing always does.  In reality, we know that's rarely the case.  I just grabbed quick prices off the web, without doing a lot of price comparison.  These calculations assume no discounts.</p><p>Dead Tree cost:<br>Laser printer: $200<br>2500 sheets of paper @ $21.59 x 400 (1 million sheets): $8636<br>Total: $8836</p><p>Renewable cost:<br>RP-3100 Printer: $5600<br>1000 sheets (up to 1000 uses each) (1 million sheets): $3300<br>Total: $8900</p><p>While the setup costs are high for the "green" printer, over time you can save money if you do a LOT of non-permanent printing.  Also, be sure not to damage your $33/sheet paper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's do the math and crunch the numbers .
I 'm going to assume " Best Case Scenarios " because that 's what marketing always does .
In reality , we know that 's rarely the case .
I just grabbed quick prices off the web , without doing a lot of price comparison .
These calculations assume no discounts.Dead Tree cost : Laser printer : $ 2002500 sheets of paper @ $ 21.59 x 400 ( 1 million sheets ) : $ 8636Total : $ 8836Renewable cost : RP-3100 Printer : $ 56001000 sheets ( up to 1000 uses each ) ( 1 million sheets ) : $ 3300Total : $ 8900While the setup costs are high for the " green " printer , over time you can save money if you do a LOT of non-permanent printing .
Also , be sure not to damage your $ 33/sheet paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's do the math and crunch the numbers.
I'm going to assume "Best Case Scenarios" because that's what marketing always does.
In reality, we know that's rarely the case.
I just grabbed quick prices off the web, without doing a lot of price comparison.
These calculations assume no discounts.Dead Tree cost:Laser printer: $2002500 sheets of paper @ $21.59 x 400 (1 million sheets): $8636Total: $8836Renewable cost:RP-3100 Printer: $56001000 sheets (up to 1000 uses each) (1 million sheets): $3300Total: $8900While the setup costs are high for the "green" printer, over time you can save money if you do a LOT of non-permanent printing.
Also, be sure not to damage your $33/sheet paper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31130318</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>kimvette</author>
	<datestamp>1266059100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I've got a boss who prints crap out all the time. Just random junk. Instead of forwarding an email to me, he'll print it out and hand it to me. And those random bits of junk get thrown away pretty quickly.</p></div></blockquote><p>Have you been forgetting to put cover sheets on your TPS reports again? Didn't you get the memo? I'll go ahead and get you a copy of the memo.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got a boss who prints crap out all the time .
Just random junk .
Instead of forwarding an email to me , he 'll print it out and hand it to me .
And those random bits of junk get thrown away pretty quickly.Have you been forgetting to put cover sheets on your TPS reports again ?
Did n't you get the memo ?
I 'll go ahead and get you a copy of the memo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got a boss who prints crap out all the time.
Just random junk.
Instead of forwarding an email to me, he'll print it out and hand it to me.
And those random bits of junk get thrown away pretty quickly.Have you been forgetting to put cover sheets on your TPS reports again?
Didn't you get the memo?
I'll go ahead and get you a copy of the memo.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128226</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31135928</id>
	<title>Re:And they still would be</title>
	<author>netsharc</author>
	<datestamp>1266177300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also, presumably people can't jot down their notes or use a highlighter (the real world kind) on this fancy paper, because the printer wouldn't be able to erase them?</p><p>Hmm, maybe they can invent a heat-pen.. and use different temperatures for different pixels (of differing colors). That would be a neat, although useless, invention.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , presumably people ca n't jot down their notes or use a highlighter ( the real world kind ) on this fancy paper , because the printer would n't be able to erase them ? Hmm , maybe they can invent a heat-pen.. and use different temperatures for different pixels ( of differing colors ) .
That would be a neat , although useless , invention .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, presumably people can't jot down their notes or use a highlighter (the real world kind) on this fancy paper, because the printer wouldn't be able to erase them?Hmm, maybe they can invent a heat-pen.. and use different temperatures for different pixels (of differing colors).
That would be a neat, although useless, invention.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31129340</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128712</id>
	<title>Re:I've been in the copier printer business for 30</title>
	<author>wvmarle</author>
	<datestamp>1266089640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Now, I'm having the same problem getting people to give up a fax machine, because scan to e-mail is faster, and cheaper, but people
say "we've always had a fax machine".</p></div><p>Sending a fax: (1) walk to fax machine, (2) put down document, (3) enter fax number, (4) press send, and done.
</p><p>Scan and send as e-mail: (1) walk to scanner (same as my fax, printer and copier so at least it has a sheet feeder, most stand-alone scanners don't), (2) put down document, (3) return to computer and open scan software, (4) scan document, (5) enter name and location to store scan file, (6) create new e-mail, (7) enter address, (8) enter subject and body, (9) add attachment, (10) remember where it was stored and how it was called this time, (11) press send, and done.
</p><p>Ymmv but for stuff printed already, faxing is for me the easier option! And fax is still more of an "it just works" type of tech than e-mail is, as strange as it may sound.
</p><p>Receiving faxes otoh I do in e-mail. And if necessary print them out.
</p><p>And finally businesses are still expected to have a fax. That part certainly is legacy, but also because fax is such an easy and simply to use technology. As easy as the telephone. And in ease of use that can not be beaten by e-mail.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now , I 'm having the same problem getting people to give up a fax machine , because scan to e-mail is faster , and cheaper , but people say " we 've always had a fax machine " .Sending a fax : ( 1 ) walk to fax machine , ( 2 ) put down document , ( 3 ) enter fax number , ( 4 ) press send , and done .
Scan and send as e-mail : ( 1 ) walk to scanner ( same as my fax , printer and copier so at least it has a sheet feeder , most stand-alone scanners do n't ) , ( 2 ) put down document , ( 3 ) return to computer and open scan software , ( 4 ) scan document , ( 5 ) enter name and location to store scan file , ( 6 ) create new e-mail , ( 7 ) enter address , ( 8 ) enter subject and body , ( 9 ) add attachment , ( 10 ) remember where it was stored and how it was called this time , ( 11 ) press send , and done .
Ymmv but for stuff printed already , faxing is for me the easier option !
And fax is still more of an " it just works " type of tech than e-mail is , as strange as it may sound .
Receiving faxes otoh I do in e-mail .
And if necessary print them out .
And finally businesses are still expected to have a fax .
That part certainly is legacy , but also because fax is such an easy and simply to use technology .
As easy as the telephone .
And in ease of use that can not be beaten by e-mail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now, I'm having the same problem getting people to give up a fax machine, because scan to e-mail is faster, and cheaper, but people
say "we've always had a fax machine".Sending a fax: (1) walk to fax machine, (2) put down document, (3) enter fax number, (4) press send, and done.
Scan and send as e-mail: (1) walk to scanner (same as my fax, printer and copier so at least it has a sheet feeder, most stand-alone scanners don't), (2) put down document, (3) return to computer and open scan software, (4) scan document, (5) enter name and location to store scan file, (6) create new e-mail, (7) enter address, (8) enter subject and body, (9) add attachment, (10) remember where it was stored and how it was called this time, (11) press send, and done.
Ymmv but for stuff printed already, faxing is for me the easier option!
And fax is still more of an "it just works" type of tech than e-mail is, as strange as it may sound.
Receiving faxes otoh I do in e-mail.
And if necessary print them out.
And finally businesses are still expected to have a fax.
That part certainly is legacy, but also because fax is such an easy and simply to use technology.
As easy as the telephone.
And in ease of use that can not be beaten by e-mail.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128066</id>
	<title>No ink but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266085200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>No ink but paper costs $3.30 per sheet?  How is that better?  Yes they say it isn't most printing done to have a "hard copy" of something?  You wouldn't want to erase in that case.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No ink but paper costs $ 3.30 per sheet ?
How is that better ?
Yes they say it is n't most printing done to have a " hard copy " of something ?
You would n't want to erase in that case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No ink but paper costs $3.30 per sheet?
How is that better?
Yes they say it isn't most printing done to have a "hard copy" of something?
You wouldn't want to erase in that case.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128788</id>
	<title>stupid execs</title>
	<author>TheSHAD0W</author>
	<datestamp>1266090300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All it takes is for one management-type to keep a 100-page report on her shelf to blow your entire savings for the year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All it takes is for one management-type to keep a 100-page report on her shelf to blow your entire savings for the year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All it takes is for one management-type to keep a 100-page report on her shelf to blow your entire savings for the year.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128610</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266088980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, I'll just type it up on my invisible typewriter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , I 'll just type it up on my invisible typewriter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, I'll just type it up on my invisible typewriter.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128002</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31130526</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>Ihmhi</author>
	<datestamp>1266060840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By that logic we'll never have anything truly green.</p><p>This is not the most appropriate tool for hard copies of records that are going to be stashed in a filing cabinet for twenty years. However, for uses in which the paper is used once or twice and then discarded (handouts at a meeting, internal memos, etc.) this would be perfect.</p><p>A business with at least 100 people in it could probably justify the expense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By that logic we 'll never have anything truly green.This is not the most appropriate tool for hard copies of records that are going to be stashed in a filing cabinet for twenty years .
However , for uses in which the paper is used once or twice and then discarded ( handouts at a meeting , internal memos , etc .
) this would be perfect.A business with at least 100 people in it could probably justify the expense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By that logic we'll never have anything truly green.This is not the most appropriate tool for hard copies of records that are going to be stashed in a filing cabinet for twenty years.
However, for uses in which the paper is used once or twice and then discarded (handouts at a meeting, internal memos, etc.
) this would be perfect.A business with at least 100 people in it could probably justify the expense.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128002</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31132032</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1266077280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At $3.30 per sheet, your boss would have to hand you one page per working day for several years in order to pay for each sheet of this, and that's assuming he doesn't circle something with permanent marker, fold it, crease it, wrinkle it, spill coffee on it, or staple it to another document.  If any one of those things happen it can't be fed through a printer again.</p><p>And "heat transfer" means some form of toner and a crapload of electricity.  So you still have a consumable and electricity to contend with, and I'll bet you their toner is more expensive than what we buy for our laser printers at work.</p><p>I take all the printouts I absolutely need to make and (when I'm done with them) put them face-down in a stack on my desk (except the stuff that needs to go to the shredder).  Then, when I need scrap paper to scribble down details or write quick flowcharts or whatever, I grab one of them and scribble away.  So at least the paper gets used twice before going into the recycle bin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At $ 3.30 per sheet , your boss would have to hand you one page per working day for several years in order to pay for each sheet of this , and that 's assuming he does n't circle something with permanent marker , fold it , crease it , wrinkle it , spill coffee on it , or staple it to another document .
If any one of those things happen it ca n't be fed through a printer again.And " heat transfer " means some form of toner and a crapload of electricity .
So you still have a consumable and electricity to contend with , and I 'll bet you their toner is more expensive than what we buy for our laser printers at work.I take all the printouts I absolutely need to make and ( when I 'm done with them ) put them face-down in a stack on my desk ( except the stuff that needs to go to the shredder ) .
Then , when I need scrap paper to scribble down details or write quick flowcharts or whatever , I grab one of them and scribble away .
So at least the paper gets used twice before going into the recycle bin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At $3.30 per sheet, your boss would have to hand you one page per working day for several years in order to pay for each sheet of this, and that's assuming he doesn't circle something with permanent marker, fold it, crease it, wrinkle it, spill coffee on it, or staple it to another document.
If any one of those things happen it can't be fed through a printer again.And "heat transfer" means some form of toner and a crapload of electricity.
So you still have a consumable and electricity to contend with, and I'll bet you their toner is more expensive than what we buy for our laser printers at work.I take all the printouts I absolutely need to make and (when I'm done with them) put them face-down in a stack on my desk (except the stuff that needs to go to the shredder).
Then, when I need scrap paper to scribble down details or write quick flowcharts or whatever, I grab one of them and scribble away.
So at least the paper gets used twice before going into the recycle bin.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31133362</id>
	<title>good idea but no</title>
	<author>luther349</author>
	<datestamp>1266143640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>the paper cost is just to high. thers no saving if anything the printer would be more expensive to run. they dont account for damaged or lost sheets. in the real world people don't keep there paper near and clean. and most stuff is not printed then tossed there normally given away to whoever needs it. conserding ink b;lack isn't that expensive. genrely 5 bucks and it can handel 1000 sheets before needing replacement on a quality printer. and toner can handel alot more prints before nedding replacment. of course toner does cost a good amount. color ink is still expensive and well this does not do color.</htmltext>
<tokenext>the paper cost is just to high .
thers no saving if anything the printer would be more expensive to run .
they dont account for damaged or lost sheets .
in the real world people do n't keep there paper near and clean .
and most stuff is not printed then tossed there normally given away to whoever needs it .
conserding ink b ; lack is n't that expensive .
genrely 5 bucks and it can handel 1000 sheets before needing replacement on a quality printer .
and toner can handel alot more prints before nedding replacment .
of course toner does cost a good amount .
color ink is still expensive and well this does not do color .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the paper cost is just to high.
thers no saving if anything the printer would be more expensive to run.
they dont account for damaged or lost sheets.
in the real world people don't keep there paper near and clean.
and most stuff is not printed then tossed there normally given away to whoever needs it.
conserding ink b;lack isn't that expensive.
genrely 5 bucks and it can handel 1000 sheets before needing replacement on a quality printer.
and toner can handel alot more prints before nedding replacment.
of course toner does cost a good amount.
color ink is still expensive and well this does not do color.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128140</id>
	<title>Naysayers</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1266085680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Despite the naysayers this sounds like a great addition to many offices. Lots of paper sent for recycling.</p><p>In my case that means shredding it, turning it into paper briquettes and burning it in my woodburning stove. Like free heating from the old office waste... Actually come to think of it this is a shit product, forget the running costs, look at the capital expenditure!</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Despite the naysayers this sounds like a great addition to many offices .
Lots of paper sent for recycling.In my case that means shredding it , turning it into paper briquettes and burning it in my woodburning stove .
Like free heating from the old office waste... Actually come to think of it this is a shit product , forget the running costs , look at the capital expenditure !
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Despite the naysayers this sounds like a great addition to many offices.
Lots of paper sent for recycling.In my case that means shredding it, turning it into paper briquettes and burning it in my woodburning stove.
Like free heating from the old office waste... Actually come to think of it this is a shit product, forget the running costs, look at the capital expenditure!
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31131710</id>
	<title>Flimsiplast</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266073200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the Star Wars Expanded Universe, these things were called <a href="http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Flimsiplast" title="wikia.com" rel="nofollow">flimsies</a> [wikia.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the Star Wars Expanded Universe , these things were called flimsies [ wikia.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the Star Wars Expanded Universe, these things were called flimsies [wikia.com].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128940</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but....</title>
	<author>gafisher</author>
	<datestamp>1266091500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sorry, Windows-only.  Linux users will have to plant a tree every few years to achieve the same environmental benefits.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , Windows-only .
Linux users will have to plant a tree every few years to achieve the same environmental benefits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, Windows-only.
Linux users will have to plant a tree every few years to achieve the same environmental benefits.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128104</id>
	<title>ymmv for sure</title>
	<author>wvmarle</author>
	<datestamp>1266085440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really wonder how much savings can be gotten here. Personally I'd estimate about 70\% of my prints ends up in my archive: I only print out stuff that I want on paper for administrative reasons. For looking up later, or for tax/legal reasons.
</p><p>The 30\% rest is mostly misprints, and of those about half ends up in my archives again: I always attach receipts from shops to a standard A4 size paper, number them, and in future I can always find them again.
</p><p>And what is still left over... well my little kid loves to draw, and I cut up a lot to A6 size for notes. Overall maybe 5\% of my prints go to waste. Very little of those intentionally (as in: printed without intention to keep it).
</p><p>When I had to write reports (research related) I did print out drafts, but would not use this kind of paper because writing on it with a pen if it works would kill the reusability. And being able to add annotations and other notes to such a draft was part of the reason to make the print. The article mentions manuscripts (how about above mentioned manual notes?) and circulars (anyone that doesn't use e-mail for that, maybe combined with a few prints on a notice board?) don't seem too valid to me.
</p><p>Now I don't believe in the "paperless office"  myth but a little prudence in printing goes a long way. This printer is a cool invention but honestly I can't really think of any large-scale applications where not printing is really not an option to save cost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really wonder how much savings can be gotten here .
Personally I 'd estimate about 70 \ % of my prints ends up in my archive : I only print out stuff that I want on paper for administrative reasons .
For looking up later , or for tax/legal reasons .
The 30 \ % rest is mostly misprints , and of those about half ends up in my archives again : I always attach receipts from shops to a standard A4 size paper , number them , and in future I can always find them again .
And what is still left over... well my little kid loves to draw , and I cut up a lot to A6 size for notes .
Overall maybe 5 \ % of my prints go to waste .
Very little of those intentionally ( as in : printed without intention to keep it ) .
When I had to write reports ( research related ) I did print out drafts , but would not use this kind of paper because writing on it with a pen if it works would kill the reusability .
And being able to add annotations and other notes to such a draft was part of the reason to make the print .
The article mentions manuscripts ( how about above mentioned manual notes ?
) and circulars ( anyone that does n't use e-mail for that , maybe combined with a few prints on a notice board ?
) do n't seem too valid to me .
Now I do n't believe in the " paperless office " myth but a little prudence in printing goes a long way .
This printer is a cool invention but honestly I ca n't really think of any large-scale applications where not printing is really not an option to save cost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really wonder how much savings can be gotten here.
Personally I'd estimate about 70\% of my prints ends up in my archive: I only print out stuff that I want on paper for administrative reasons.
For looking up later, or for tax/legal reasons.
The 30\% rest is mostly misprints, and of those about half ends up in my archives again: I always attach receipts from shops to a standard A4 size paper, number them, and in future I can always find them again.
And what is still left over... well my little kid loves to draw, and I cut up a lot to A6 size for notes.
Overall maybe 5\% of my prints go to waste.
Very little of those intentionally (as in: printed without intention to keep it).
When I had to write reports (research related) I did print out drafts, but would not use this kind of paper because writing on it with a pen if it works would kill the reusability.
And being able to add annotations and other notes to such a draft was part of the reason to make the print.
The article mentions manuscripts (how about above mentioned manual notes?
) and circulars (anyone that doesn't use e-mail for that, maybe combined with a few prints on a notice board?
) don't seem too valid to me.
Now I don't believe in the "paperless office"  myth but a little prudence in printing goes a long way.
This printer is a cool invention but honestly I can't really think of any large-scale applications where not printing is really not an option to save cost.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31130900</id>
	<title>Not a replacement.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266064260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Admittedly I did not RTFA, but I'd assume that you can't just write, scribble, etc on these...
</p><p>
The majority of short life printouts that I use at work end up with notes, amendments and changes scribbled on them. It's a good system.
</p><p>
Unless I can do this on this new medium, I can't see it being useful in our offices.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Admittedly I did not RTFA , but I 'd assume that you ca n't just write , scribble , etc on these.. . The majority of short life printouts that I use at work end up with notes , amendments and changes scribbled on them .
It 's a good system .
Unless I can do this on this new medium , I ca n't see it being useful in our offices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Admittedly I did not RTFA, but I'd assume that you can't just write, scribble, etc on these...

The majority of short life printouts that I use at work end up with notes, amendments and changes scribbled on them.
It's a good system.
Unless I can do this on this new medium, I can't see it being useful in our offices.
</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31129658</id>
	<title>Re:True for the individual, not the office use cas</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266053760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And you would buy them a 6 grand printer to do this on ?<br>They need to be re-trained, don't print any LOLcats out !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And you would buy them a 6 grand printer to do this on ? They need to be re-trained , do n't print any LOLcats out !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And you would buy them a 6 grand printer to do this on ?They need to be re-trained, don't print any LOLcats out !</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128294</id>
	<title>Staples?</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1266086640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh come on.</p><p>Paper clips.<br>Bulldog clips.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh come on.Paper clips.Bulldog clips .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh come on.Paper clips.Bulldog clips.
 </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128148</id>
	<title>False accounting?</title>
	<author>martinux</author>
	<datestamp>1266085740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"about 0.3 yen a sheet/number of times of rewriting."</p><p>Correct me if I'm wrong but this cost assumes you don't need to keep a hard-copy, i.e., you're printing to said sheet 1000 times.</p><p>In other words, if you never keep a copy and always reuse the sheets you'll save cash... The ratio of sheets you wish to keep to sheets you consider disposable has to be high; why else would you print something if not for long-term reference?</p><p>Also, staples?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" about 0.3 yen a sheet/number of times of rewriting .
" Correct me if I 'm wrong but this cost assumes you do n't need to keep a hard-copy , i.e. , you 're printing to said sheet 1000 times.In other words , if you never keep a copy and always reuse the sheets you 'll save cash... The ratio of sheets you wish to keep to sheets you consider disposable has to be high ; why else would you print something if not for long-term reference ? Also , staples ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"about 0.3 yen a sheet/number of times of rewriting.
"Correct me if I'm wrong but this cost assumes you don't need to keep a hard-copy, i.e., you're printing to said sheet 1000 times.In other words, if you never keep a copy and always reuse the sheets you'll save cash... The ratio of sheets you wish to keep to sheets you consider disposable has to be high; why else would you print something if not for long-term reference?Also, staples?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31128708</id>
	<title>Dirt/coffee/doodles</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266089640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>would seem to put a crimp in the 1,000x reuse, at least at my compnay....<br>if you go to the web site, in fractured engish (   http://www.sanwa-newtec.co.jp/english/products/rp\_srp\_3101\_e.html  ) we find the following, Quote</p><p>
&nbsp; "When the dirt of the sheet is awful, washing with the special sheet cleaner and a regular cleaning in the printer are necessary."</p><p>this suggests that the eco ness is a bit less then meets the eye</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>would seem to put a crimp in the 1,000x reuse , at least at my compnay....if you go to the web site , in fractured engish ( http : //www.sanwa-newtec.co.jp/english/products/rp \ _srp \ _3101 \ _e.html ) we find the following , Quote   " When the dirt of the sheet is awful , washing with the special sheet cleaner and a regular cleaning in the printer are necessary .
" this suggests that the eco ness is a bit less then meets the eye</tokentext>
<sentencetext>would seem to put a crimp in the 1,000x reuse, at least at my compnay....if you go to the web site, in fractured engish (   http://www.sanwa-newtec.co.jp/english/products/rp\_srp\_3101\_e.html  ) we find the following, Quote
  "When the dirt of the sheet is awful, washing with the special sheet cleaner and a regular cleaning in the printer are necessary.
"this suggests that the eco ness is a bit less then meets the eye
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_161242.31133856</id>
	<title>Re:Define "consumable"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266153420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For non-permanent bits of information that you'd still like to take away from a computer screen, this could be very handy.</p></div><p>If only some computer vendor would make a device that is portable and allows you to write on it!!!<br>And read from it! You know, like an ebook reader.<br>Except then more functional. With optional 3G connection. Multitouch is a must, multitasking is completely unnecessary.</p><p>Who oh who could bring us such a device and save the rainforest???</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For non-permanent bits of information that you 'd still like to take away from a computer screen , this could be very handy.If only some computer vendor would make a device that is portable and allows you to write on it ! !
! And read from it !
You know , like an ebook reader.Except then more functional .
With optional 3G connection .
Multitouch is a must , multitasking is completely unnecessary.Who oh who could bring us such a device and save the rainforest ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For non-permanent bits of information that you'd still like to take away from a computer screen, this could be very handy.If only some computer vendor would make a device that is portable and allows you to write on it!!
!And read from it!
You know, like an ebook reader.Except then more functional.
With optional 3G connection.
Multitouch is a must, multitasking is completely unnecessary.Who oh who could bring us such a device and save the rainforest??
?
	</sentencetext>
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