<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_11_2217239</id>
	<title>Windows Patch Leaves Many XP Users With Blue Screens</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1265884680000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>CWmike writes <i>"Tuesday's security updates from Microsoft have <a href="http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9155419/Windows\_patch\_cripples\_XP\_with\_blue\_screen\_users\_claim">crippled Windows XP PCs with the notorious Blue Screen of Death</a>, users have reported on the company's support forum. Complaints began early yesterday, and gained momentum throughout the day. 'I updated 11 Windows XP updates today and restarted my PC like it asked me to,' said a user identified as 'tansenroy' who <a href="http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/thread/73cea559-ebbd-4274-96bc-e292b69f2fd1">kicked off a growing support thread</a>: 'From then on, Windows cannot restart again! It is stopping at the blue screen with the following message: 'A problem has been detected and Windows has been shutdown to prevent damage to your computer.' Others joined in with similar reports. Several users posted solutions, but the <a href="http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/thread/73cea559-ebbd-4274-96bc-e292b69f2fd1/#e9b28c45-635c-4adf-8d24-817bf39c207b">one laid out by 'maxyimus'</a> was marked by a Microsoft support engineer as the way out of the perpetual blue screens."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>CWmike writes " Tuesday 's security updates from Microsoft have crippled Windows XP PCs with the notorious Blue Screen of Death , users have reported on the company 's support forum .
Complaints began early yesterday , and gained momentum throughout the day .
'I updated 11 Windows XP updates today and restarted my PC like it asked me to, ' said a user identified as 'tansenroy ' who kicked off a growing support thread : 'From then on , Windows can not restart again !
It is stopping at the blue screen with the following message : 'A problem has been detected and Windows has been shutdown to prevent damage to your computer .
' Others joined in with similar reports .
Several users posted solutions , but the one laid out by 'maxyimus ' was marked by a Microsoft support engineer as the way out of the perpetual blue screens .
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<sentencetext>CWmike writes "Tuesday's security updates from Microsoft have crippled Windows XP PCs with the notorious Blue Screen of Death, users have reported on the company's support forum.
Complaints began early yesterday, and gained momentum throughout the day.
'I updated 11 Windows XP updates today and restarted my PC like it asked me to,' said a user identified as 'tansenroy' who kicked off a growing support thread: 'From then on, Windows cannot restart again!
It is stopping at the blue screen with the following message: 'A problem has been detected and Windows has been shutdown to prevent damage to your computer.
' Others joined in with similar reports.
Several users posted solutions, but the one laid out by 'maxyimus' was marked by a Microsoft support engineer as the way out of the perpetual blue screens.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110448</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>vtcodger</author>
	<datestamp>1265965800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>***Install Ubuntu and live problem free***</p><p>Ah come on.  The 9.04 Ubuntu upgrade about four months ago -- Krackpot Kingfisher or some such -- did pretty much the same damn thing to a number of people.  And some of the problems weren't especially easy to fix.  (You ever tried booting a Linux PC with an empty menu.lst file and no kernel?  Not as easy as you probably think)  The major differences would be that Ubuntu users didn't pay money for the privilege of having their PC bricked.  And that repairing a Unix PC is generally less painful than repairing a Windows PC.</p><p>The problem is that it is quite impossible to test updates against every possible hardware and software configuration that might be in use.  I'm sure that Microsoft and Canonical try and try hard.  But impossible means just that -- impossible.</p><p>The lessons, of course, are don't install updates until a few days after they are released, make sure that you have bootable media for your OS (if possible), and back up frequently.  I learned that in 1963.  Other people have been learning it ever since.</p><p>This incident, BTW, is a warning.  It is highly likely if not inevitable that sooner or later the Windows automatic update mechanism is going to shut down much of the world's infrastructure either because the kids in Redmond have screwed up, or because some sociopaths somewhere in Eurasia have hijacked the update mechanism and used to to download something really grim, or because some country that the Western powers are trying to bully decides to retaliate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* * * Install Ubuntu and live problem free * * * Ah come on .
The 9.04 Ubuntu upgrade about four months ago -- Krackpot Kingfisher or some such -- did pretty much the same damn thing to a number of people .
And some of the problems were n't especially easy to fix .
( You ever tried booting a Linux PC with an empty menu.lst file and no kernel ?
Not as easy as you probably think ) The major differences would be that Ubuntu users did n't pay money for the privilege of having their PC bricked .
And that repairing a Unix PC is generally less painful than repairing a Windows PC.The problem is that it is quite impossible to test updates against every possible hardware and software configuration that might be in use .
I 'm sure that Microsoft and Canonical try and try hard .
But impossible means just that -- impossible.The lessons , of course , are do n't install updates until a few days after they are released , make sure that you have bootable media for your OS ( if possible ) , and back up frequently .
I learned that in 1963 .
Other people have been learning it ever since.This incident , BTW , is a warning .
It is highly likely if not inevitable that sooner or later the Windows automatic update mechanism is going to shut down much of the world 's infrastructure either because the kids in Redmond have screwed up , or because some sociopaths somewhere in Eurasia have hijacked the update mechanism and used to to download something really grim , or because some country that the Western powers are trying to bully decides to retaliate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>***Install Ubuntu and live problem free***Ah come on.
The 9.04 Ubuntu upgrade about four months ago -- Krackpot Kingfisher or some such -- did pretty much the same damn thing to a number of people.
And some of the problems weren't especially easy to fix.
(You ever tried booting a Linux PC with an empty menu.lst file and no kernel?
Not as easy as you probably think)  The major differences would be that Ubuntu users didn't pay money for the privilege of having their PC bricked.
And that repairing a Unix PC is generally less painful than repairing a Windows PC.The problem is that it is quite impossible to test updates against every possible hardware and software configuration that might be in use.
I'm sure that Microsoft and Canonical try and try hard.
But impossible means just that -- impossible.The lessons, of course, are don't install updates until a few days after they are released, make sure that you have bootable media for your OS (if possible), and back up frequently.
I learned that in 1963.
Other people have been learning it ever since.This incident, BTW, is a warning.
It is highly likely if not inevitable that sooner or later the Windows automatic update mechanism is going to shut down much of the world's infrastructure either because the kids in Redmond have screwed up, or because some sociopaths somewhere in Eurasia have hijacked the update mechanism and used to to download something really grim, or because some country that the Western powers are trying to bully decides to retaliate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110344</id>
	<title>Whats the Fuss about?</title>
	<author>thetsguy</author>
	<datestamp>1266007380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>BSOD is imminent with or without the patch.</htmltext>
<tokenext>BSOD is imminent with or without the patch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BSOD is imminent with or without the patch.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106596</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265889480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Should have used Linux and LaTeX.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Should have used Linux and LaTeX .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Should have used Linux and LaTeX.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108688</id>
	<title>Re:Remove automatic updates from your slipstream</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265901300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, I like Pinball!  That is a critical app, you jerk!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , I like Pinball !
That is a critical app , you jerk !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, I like Pinball!
That is a critical app, you jerk!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31114634</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265996700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You overlooked some important factors:<br>1) This is the best indication that you are infected.  If the update doesn't work, you definitly have an infected WinBox.  Oh, and if you aren't literate enough to fix this problem yourself you are <i>forced to proceed to step 2</i>, the most important part.<br>2) You should proceed to back-up files, format and reinstall windows.<br>3) Everyone is clean again, and laziness has no factor in determining said malicious code is perpetuated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You overlooked some important factors : 1 ) This is the best indication that you are infected .
If the update does n't work , you definitly have an infected WinBox .
Oh , and if you are n't literate enough to fix this problem yourself you are forced to proceed to step 2 , the most important part.2 ) You should proceed to back-up files , format and reinstall windows.3 ) Everyone is clean again , and laziness has no factor in determining said malicious code is perpetuated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You overlooked some important factors:1) This is the best indication that you are infected.
If the update doesn't work, you definitly have an infected WinBox.
Oh, and if you aren't literate enough to fix this problem yourself you are forced to proceed to step 2, the most important part.2) You should proceed to back-up files, format and reinstall windows.3) Everyone is clean again, and laziness has no factor in determining said malicious code is perpetuated.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107306</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265892300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yo dawg...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yo dawg.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yo dawg...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31112048</id>
	<title>The BSOD Haiku</title>
	<author>bcf</author>
	<datestamp>1265985480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A long while ago, a file of Windows haiku was floating around. I don't remember any but this<br>
<br>
Windows XP crashed<br>
I am the Blue Screen of Death<br>
No one hears you scream</htmltext>
<tokenext>A long while ago , a file of Windows haiku was floating around .
I do n't remember any but this Windows XP crashed I am the Blue Screen of Death No one hears you scream</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A long while ago, a file of Windows haiku was floating around.
I don't remember any but this

Windows XP crashed
I am the Blue Screen of Death
No one hears you scream</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110842</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265971320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...<br>7) Update your system completely.</p><p>8) See BSOD happen again.</p><p>9) Go to step 1)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...7 ) Update your system completely.8 ) See BSOD happen again.9 ) Go to step 1 )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...7) Update your system completely.8) See BSOD happen again.9) Go to step 1)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106994</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>bloodhawk</author>
	<datestamp>1265891040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem is not the checksum in these cases, if you have a compromised machine it is likely the compromising code has hooks and or drivers in the system, the result of then replacing what looks like a normal kernel to any checksum is it breaks the exploit code and hence blue screen the machine, unless you know to explicitly look for the exploit code you are pretty well hosed in detecting it during patching.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is not the checksum in these cases , if you have a compromised machine it is likely the compromising code has hooks and or drivers in the system , the result of then replacing what looks like a normal kernel to any checksum is it breaks the exploit code and hence blue screen the machine , unless you know to explicitly look for the exploit code you are pretty well hosed in detecting it during patching .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is not the checksum in these cases, if you have a compromised machine it is likely the compromising code has hooks and or drivers in the system, the result of then replacing what looks like a normal kernel to any checksum is it breaks the exploit code and hence blue screen the machine, unless you know to explicitly look for the exploit code you are pretty well hosed in detecting it during patching.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31115034</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>DarthVain</author>
	<datestamp>1265998080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ya ditto on that. I have done it tons of times personally. I always have several Live-Boot linux distros on hand just in case for troubleshooting.</p><p>I can't remember, but I think XP Pro defaults to encrypt your "Personal" Folders. So as long as you didn't save it in there you should be fine.</p><p>You can still get at them if they are encrypted, so long as you remember your old system password, its just a bit of a chore. I never had to do it, but I do remember reading up on it, and it looked like a serious pain in the ass.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ya ditto on that .
I have done it tons of times personally .
I always have several Live-Boot linux distros on hand just in case for troubleshooting.I ca n't remember , but I think XP Pro defaults to encrypt your " Personal " Folders .
So as long as you did n't save it in there you should be fine.You can still get at them if they are encrypted , so long as you remember your old system password , its just a bit of a chore .
I never had to do it , but I do remember reading up on it , and it looked like a serious pain in the ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ya ditto on that.
I have done it tons of times personally.
I always have several Live-Boot linux distros on hand just in case for troubleshooting.I can't remember, but I think XP Pro defaults to encrypt your "Personal" Folders.
So as long as you didn't save it in there you should be fine.You can still get at them if they are encrypted, so long as you remember your old system password, its just a bit of a chore.
I never had to do it, but I do remember reading up on it, and it looked like a serious pain in the ass.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110430</id>
	<title>Easiest way to fix for the non tech type</title>
	<author>Bad Ad</author>
	<datestamp>1265965500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Find ERD commander 2005 <br>
goto uninstall hotfixes <br>
uninstall offending hotfix</htmltext>
<tokenext>Find ERD commander 2005 goto uninstall hotfixes uninstall offending hotfix</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Find ERD commander 2005 
goto uninstall hotfixes 
uninstall offending hotfix</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108534</id>
	<title>Potential cause for the blue-screens</title>
	<author>ThePeeWeeMan</author>
	<datestamp>1265899800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems like someone's figured out what was causing the bluescreens... from the MS forum thread:</p><p>I had an Eee PC with XP Home brought to me with this same problem. I rolled back KB977165, rebooted and the system worked fine. I reapplied KB977165 and the rest of the updates available at Microsoft Update, and the problem returned. I replaced \%System32\%\drivers\atapi.sys with a clean version from a XP SP3 distribution folder and rebooted... voila! Problem solved.</p><p>For reference, the SHA1SUMs of the atapi.sys files:</p><p>Non-working:<br>bb3e36ad0c8ed6daab38653ea4a942d74b9f4ff6</p><p>Working:<br>a719156e8ad67456556a02c34e762944234e7a44</p><p>If anyone wants to look at the non-working atapi.sys:<br><a href="https://patrickwbarnes.com/pub/atapi.sys" title="patrickwbarnes.com" rel="nofollow">https://patrickwbarnes.com/pub/atapi.sys</a> [patrickwbarnes.com]</p><p>I will be looking at this more in-depth.  If I find anything more, it will be posted in a follow-up comment at the ISC:<br><a href="http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=8209" title="sans.org" rel="nofollow">http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=8209</a> [sans.org]</p><p>UPDATE :<br>I uploaded the non-working atapi.sys file to VirusTotal, and this is the result:<br><a href="http://www.virustotal.com/analisis/85aa49f587f69f30560f02151af2900f3dc71d39d1357727ab41b11ef828a7ff-1265925529" title="virustotal.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.virustotal.com/analisis/85aa49f587f69f30560f02151af2900f3dc71d39d1357727ab41b11ef828a7ff-1265925529</a> [virustotal.com]</p><p>Apparently, this update problem is the result of an infection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems like someone 's figured out what was causing the bluescreens... from the MS forum thread : I had an Eee PC with XP Home brought to me with this same problem .
I rolled back KB977165 , rebooted and the system worked fine .
I reapplied KB977165 and the rest of the updates available at Microsoft Update , and the problem returned .
I replaced \ % System32 \ % \ drivers \ atapi.sys with a clean version from a XP SP3 distribution folder and rebooted... voila ! Problem solved.For reference , the SHA1SUMs of the atapi.sys files : Non-working : bb3e36ad0c8ed6daab38653ea4a942d74b9f4ff6Working : a719156e8ad67456556a02c34e762944234e7a44If anyone wants to look at the non-working atapi.sys : https : //patrickwbarnes.com/pub/atapi.sys [ patrickwbarnes.com ] I will be looking at this more in-depth .
If I find anything more , it will be posted in a follow-up comment at the ISC : http : //isc.sans.org/diary.html ? storyid = 8209 [ sans.org ] UPDATE : I uploaded the non-working atapi.sys file to VirusTotal , and this is the result : http : //www.virustotal.com/analisis/85aa49f587f69f30560f02151af2900f3dc71d39d1357727ab41b11ef828a7ff-1265925529 [ virustotal.com ] Apparently , this update problem is the result of an infection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems like someone's figured out what was causing the bluescreens... from the MS forum thread:I had an Eee PC with XP Home brought to me with this same problem.
I rolled back KB977165, rebooted and the system worked fine.
I reapplied KB977165 and the rest of the updates available at Microsoft Update, and the problem returned.
I replaced \%System32\%\drivers\atapi.sys with a clean version from a XP SP3 distribution folder and rebooted... voila! Problem solved.For reference, the SHA1SUMs of the atapi.sys files:Non-working:bb3e36ad0c8ed6daab38653ea4a942d74b9f4ff6Working:a719156e8ad67456556a02c34e762944234e7a44If anyone wants to look at the non-working atapi.sys:https://patrickwbarnes.com/pub/atapi.sys [patrickwbarnes.com]I will be looking at this more in-depth.
If I find anything more, it will be posted in a follow-up comment at the ISC:http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=8209 [sans.org]UPDATE :I uploaded the non-working atapi.sys file to VirusTotal, and this is the result:http://www.virustotal.com/analisis/85aa49f587f69f30560f02151af2900f3dc71d39d1357727ab41b11ef828a7ff-1265925529 [virustotal.com]Apparently, this update problem is the result of an infection.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31118342</id>
	<title>Re:Rootkit false positive?</title>
	<author>bjs555</author>
	<datestamp>1265967480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know it's bad form to reply to my own post but I just found the following VirusTotal scan result for a rooted atapi.sys file that causes the blue screen:</p><p><a href="http://www.virustotal.com/analisis/85aa49f587f69f30560f02151af2900f3dc71d39d1357727ab41b11ef828a7ff-1265925529" title="virustotal.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.virustotal.com/analisis/85aa49f587f69f30560f02151af2900f3dc71d39d1357727ab41b11ef828a7ff-1265925529</a> [virustotal.com]</p><p>Note that eSafe in this case finds nothing. Doesn't say much for eSafe, huh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know it 's bad form to reply to my own post but I just found the following VirusTotal scan result for a rooted atapi.sys file that causes the blue screen : http : //www.virustotal.com/analisis/85aa49f587f69f30560f02151af2900f3dc71d39d1357727ab41b11ef828a7ff-1265925529 [ virustotal.com ] Note that eSafe in this case finds nothing .
Does n't say much for eSafe , huh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know it's bad form to reply to my own post but I just found the following VirusTotal scan result for a rooted atapi.sys file that causes the blue screen:http://www.virustotal.com/analisis/85aa49f587f69f30560f02151af2900f3dc71d39d1357727ab41b11ef828a7ff-1265925529 [virustotal.com]Note that eSafe in this case finds nothing.
Doesn't say much for eSafe, huh?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106926</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265890740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Corrected for #6</p><p>Install Ubuntu and live problem free</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Corrected for # 6Install Ubuntu and live problem free</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Corrected for #6Install Ubuntu and live problem free</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108602</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265900400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does any update checksum a file before patching? How common is this?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does any update checksum a file before patching ?
How common is this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does any update checksum a file before patching?
How common is this?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110204</id>
	<title>Re:A quick fix</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266005220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And someone has balls to say Linux is hard to use, luls</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And someone has balls to say Linux is hard to use , luls</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And someone has balls to say Linux is hard to use, luls</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107012</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110454</id>
	<title>Re:LOL</title>
	<author>Antiocheian</author>
	<datestamp>1265966040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why you think you couldn't accomplish all that and play games as well ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why you think you could n't accomplish all that and play games as well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why you think you couldn't accomplish all that and play games as well ?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107944</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106536</id>
	<title>Just close your eyes and chant</title>
	<author>harris s newman</author>
	<datestamp>1265889240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Windows costs less, is more secure, and superior to opensource OS's.

And hope your boss hears you before your fired.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows costs less , is more secure , and superior to opensource OS 's .
And hope your boss hears you before your fired .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows costs less, is more secure, and superior to opensource OS's.
And hope your boss hears you before your fired.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107156</id>
	<title>gearkraft</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265891700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey I'm sure this news will never make it over to the geniuses at Neowin. They've got too much to make fun of with apple's new hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey I 'm sure this news will never make it over to the geniuses at Neowin .
They 've got too much to make fun of with apple 's new hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey I'm sure this news will never make it over to the geniuses at Neowin.
They've got too much to make fun of with apple's new hardware.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108162</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265897100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The NT line does. It even has a symbolic name \%USERPROFILE\% which expands to the right directory path. Too bad almost nobody (read: nobody except properly trained enterprise developers) knows about this nice feature and Windows users are still forced to work under admin-level access rights by crappy software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The NT line does .
It even has a symbolic name \ % USERPROFILE \ % which expands to the right directory path .
Too bad almost nobody ( read : nobody except properly trained enterprise developers ) knows about this nice feature and Windows users are still forced to work under admin-level access rights by crappy software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The NT line does.
It even has a symbolic name \%USERPROFILE\% which expands to the right directory path.
Too bad almost nobody (read: nobody except properly trained enterprise developers) knows about this nice feature and Windows users are still forced to work under admin-level access rights by crappy software.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107706</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108270</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>datapharmer</author>
	<datestamp>1265897760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As someone who holds a degree in Anthropology I can assure you we keep backups you insensitive clod!</htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who holds a degree in Anthropology I can assure you we keep backups you insensitive clod !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who holds a degree in Anthropology I can assure you we keep backups you insensitive clod!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106758</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31111266</id>
	<title>Overreacting much?</title>
	<author>FunPika</author>
	<datestamp>1265977140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Microsoft will probably release another patch for that exploit that doesn't cause BSODs sometime in the future.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/

And unless people you don't trust have limited access accounts on your computer, you should be fine anyways, because the offending patch fixes a local privilege escalation issue, not a remote exploit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft will probably release another patch for that exploit that does n't cause BSODs sometime in the future .
: / And unless people you do n't trust have limited access accounts on your computer , you should be fine anyways , because the offending patch fixes a local privilege escalation issue , not a remote exploit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft will probably release another patch for that exploit that doesn't cause BSODs sometime in the future.
:/

And unless people you don't trust have limited access accounts on your computer, you should be fine anyways, because the offending patch fixes a local privilege escalation issue, not a remote exploit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107558</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31111592</id>
	<title>Re:Potential cause for the blue-screens</title>
	<author>cvtan</author>
	<datestamp>1265981100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sorry to ask a dumb question in this forum, but why look at SHA1SUMs when you just want to know if one file is different from another?  Can't you just compare files bit by bit?  Is there an official list of SHA1SUMs published by Microsoft so that an average user could tell if system files have been compromised?  This may not always work since, on Windows machines, files with the same name are not identical from one machine to another.  Thanks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry to ask a dumb question in this forum , but why look at SHA1SUMs when you just want to know if one file is different from another ?
Ca n't you just compare files bit by bit ?
Is there an official list of SHA1SUMs published by Microsoft so that an average user could tell if system files have been compromised ?
This may not always work since , on Windows machines , files with the same name are not identical from one machine to another .
Thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry to ask a dumb question in this forum, but why look at SHA1SUMs when you just want to know if one file is different from another?
Can't you just compare files bit by bit?
Is there an official list of SHA1SUMs published by Microsoft so that an average user could tell if system files have been compromised?
This may not always work since, on Windows machines, files with the same name are not identical from one machine to another.
Thanks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108534</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106762</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>ircmaxell</author>
	<datestamp>1265890140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You hit the nail on the head.  <b>IF</b> the errors are caused by "compromised" dlls that are then patched, then TRWTF is that there is no sanity checking on the file.  Hashes, signature checks, signing the files, etc...  And if it did find a difference, don't just overwrite the file blindly, stop the update and tell someone that a file isn't how it should be...  Then again, asking for something useful out of the Event Logger is like asking an infant to read and understand Einstein's General Theory of Relativity...</htmltext>
<tokenext>You hit the nail on the head .
IF the errors are caused by " compromised " dlls that are then patched , then TRWTF is that there is no sanity checking on the file .
Hashes , signature checks , signing the files , etc... And if it did find a difference , do n't just overwrite the file blindly , stop the update and tell someone that a file is n't how it should be... Then again , asking for something useful out of the Event Logger is like asking an infant to read and understand Einstein 's General Theory of Relativity.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You hit the nail on the head.
IF the errors are caused by "compromised" dlls that are then patched, then TRWTF is that there is no sanity checking on the file.
Hashes, signature checks, signing the files, etc...  And if it did find a difference, don't just overwrite the file blindly, stop the update and tell someone that a file isn't how it should be...  Then again, asking for something useful out of the Event Logger is like asking an infant to read and understand Einstein's General Theory of Relativity...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106490</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31109414</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265908500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't step 6 be:</p><p>6) When done, re-format your hard drive and install Ubuntu.</p><p>Problem solved at the source.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't step 6 be : 6 ) When done , re-format your hard drive and install Ubuntu.Problem solved at the source .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't step 6 be:6) When done, re-format your hard drive and install Ubuntu.Problem solved at the source.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106770</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108636</id>
	<title>Check your MatroskaSplitter folder</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265900760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No problem with the particular patch in question but in both W2K and XP after applying all the February patches "mkunicode.dll" in the Haali splitter folder came up missing. I suspect it was related to the DirectShow patch. Fortunately I had it backed up because without it neither my OGV or MP4s would play.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No problem with the particular patch in question but in both W2K and XP after applying all the February patches " mkunicode.dll " in the Haali splitter folder came up missing .
I suspect it was related to the DirectShow patch .
Fortunately I had it backed up because without it neither my OGV or MP4s would play .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No problem with the particular patch in question but in both W2K and XP after applying all the February patches "mkunicode.dll" in the Haali splitter folder came up missing.
I suspect it was related to the DirectShow patch.
Fortunately I had it backed up because without it neither my OGV or MP4s would play.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107474</id>
	<title>Good thing Windows PCs are sooooo cheap...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265893140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can buy a second one, which you'll eventually need to use to figure out how to fix the first one when Windows inevitably shits the bed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can buy a second one , which you 'll eventually need to use to figure out how to fix the first one when Windows inevitably shits the bed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can buy a second one, which you'll eventually need to use to figure out how to fix the first one when Windows inevitably shits the bed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110886</id>
	<title>Re: pc games is for windows only</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265971920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>too many games claim to be pc games, when they in fact is windows games only.. how is the EU commission NOT doing anything about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>too many games claim to be pc games , when they in fact is windows games only.. how is the EU commission NOT doing anything about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>too many games claim to be pc games, when they in fact is windows games only.. how is the EU commission NOT doing anything about it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31112250</id>
	<title>I already fixed this last week....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265986560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My father's computer blue screened after January's security updates.  I was only able to get around to fixing it last weekened.  It turned out to be a bad Nvidia video driver.  Microsoft had replaced the driver from the NVidia website for his dual-head video card with some older generic NVidia driver. Went to NVidia and downloaded an even newer driver, and the system works again.</p><p>Oddly enough I only had TEN items (not 11) to download during Tuesday's updates and all my computers have been working fine since then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My father 's computer blue screened after January 's security updates .
I was only able to get around to fixing it last weekened .
It turned out to be a bad Nvidia video driver .
Microsoft had replaced the driver from the NVidia website for his dual-head video card with some older generic NVidia driver .
Went to NVidia and downloaded an even newer driver , and the system works again.Oddly enough I only had TEN items ( not 11 ) to download during Tuesday 's updates and all my computers have been working fine since then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My father's computer blue screened after January's security updates.
I was only able to get around to fixing it last weekened.
It turned out to be a bad Nvidia video driver.
Microsoft had replaced the driver from the NVidia website for his dual-head video card with some older generic NVidia driver.
Went to NVidia and downloaded an even newer driver, and the system works again.Oddly enough I only had TEN items (not 11) to download during Tuesday's updates and all my computers have been working fine since then.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31109738</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265912340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A well designed rootkit means that the patcher cannot tell that the file has been modified.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A well designed rootkit means that the patcher can not tell that the file has been modified .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A well designed rootkit means that the patcher cannot tell that the file has been modified.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106726</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106706</id>
	<title>LOL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265889900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>LOL!

<ul> <li>Linux Desktop Use: Since '99</li><li>Mac Desktop Use: '96-'99</li><li>Last Windows Used (by choice): Windows 3.1</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>LOL !
Linux Desktop Use : Since '99Mac Desktop Use : '96-'99Last Windows Used ( by choice ) : Windows 3.1</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LOL!
Linux Desktop Use: Since '99Mac Desktop Use: '96-'99Last Windows Used (by choice): Windows 3.1</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108222</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>the eric conspiracy</author>
	<datestamp>1265897460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If it is true that only compromised computers blue screen then it's hard to fault Microsoft for their patch code choking when it stumbles across the exploit code.</i></p><p>However it is easy to blame Microsoft for not testing on real-world (i.e. exploited) systems, or to blame them for allowing it to be so easy to exploit a Windows XP system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it is true that only compromised computers blue screen then it 's hard to fault Microsoft for their patch code choking when it stumbles across the exploit code.However it is easy to blame Microsoft for not testing on real-world ( i.e .
exploited ) systems , or to blame them for allowing it to be so easy to exploit a Windows XP system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it is true that only compromised computers blue screen then it's hard to fault Microsoft for their patch code choking when it stumbles across the exploit code.However it is easy to blame Microsoft for not testing on real-world (i.e.
exploited) systems, or to blame them for allowing it to be so easy to exploit a Windows XP system.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106490</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110828</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>chucklebutte</author>
	<datestamp>1265971080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>harrkev why is your link to a christian dildo store that sells prostrate vibrators for men? Isn't that a tad bit non christian?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>harrkev why is your link to a christian dildo store that sells prostrate vibrators for men ?
Is n't that a tad bit non christian ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>harrkev why is your link to a christian dildo store that sells prostrate vibrators for men?
Isn't that a tad bit non christian?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106770</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106726</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>RobDude</author>
	<datestamp>1265890020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sort of.....</p><p>You can't really blame MS for a crash that happens because the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.DLLs/code on someone's machine has been modified by a malicious 3rd party.</p><p>But, you can expect an MS (or any other OS) to take appropriate actions to avoid patching a file that isn't exactly what is expected.</p><p>What you'd really hope for, is that when a problem is detected during the update process (IE - Crap - this<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.DLL isn't the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.DLL we expect.  Something is wrong!' - instead of modifying the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.DLL it would present the user with some meaningful information like, 'Hey - this patch failed.  You probably have a virus....you should get that fixed'.  Or something similar.</p><p>It's possible that the patch took some reasonable efforts to ensure the patch would only be applied as expected; but I don't know.  I do know that, even if it did, it didn't work.</p><p>There is a world of difference between an 'infected' Windows machine that has some annoying pop-ups showing up every 15 minutes, but is otherwise functional, and a Windows machine that won't boot because of a recently installed patch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sort of.....You ca n't really blame MS for a crash that happens because the .DLLs/code on someone 's machine has been modified by a malicious 3rd party.But , you can expect an MS ( or any other OS ) to take appropriate actions to avoid patching a file that is n't exactly what is expected.What you 'd really hope for , is that when a problem is detected during the update process ( IE - Crap - this .DLL is n't the .DLL we expect .
Something is wrong !
' - instead of modifying the .DLL it would present the user with some meaningful information like , 'Hey - this patch failed .
You probably have a virus....you should get that fixed' .
Or something similar.It 's possible that the patch took some reasonable efforts to ensure the patch would only be applied as expected ; but I do n't know .
I do know that , even if it did , it did n't work.There is a world of difference between an 'infected ' Windows machine that has some annoying pop-ups showing up every 15 minutes , but is otherwise functional , and a Windows machine that wo n't boot because of a recently installed patch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sort of.....You can't really blame MS for a crash that happens because the .DLLs/code on someone's machine has been modified by a malicious 3rd party.But, you can expect an MS (or any other OS) to take appropriate actions to avoid patching a file that isn't exactly what is expected.What you'd really hope for, is that when a problem is detected during the update process (IE - Crap - this .DLL isn't the .DLL we expect.
Something is wrong!
' - instead of modifying the .DLL it would present the user with some meaningful information like, 'Hey - this patch failed.
You probably have a virus....you should get that fixed'.
Or something similar.It's possible that the patch took some reasonable efforts to ensure the patch would only be applied as expected; but I don't know.
I do know that, even if it did, it didn't work.There is a world of difference between an 'infected' Windows machine that has some annoying pop-ups showing up every 15 minutes, but is otherwise functional, and a Windows machine that won't boot because of a recently installed patch.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106490</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107614</id>
	<title>Re:Remove automatic updates from your slipstream</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265893860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm all for removing cruft, but NTBackup is the ONLY way to properly backup a system in many cases (such as being a primary domain controller).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm all for removing cruft , but NTBackup is the ONLY way to properly backup a system in many cases ( such as being a primary domain controller ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm all for removing cruft, but NTBackup is the ONLY way to properly backup a system in many cases (such as being a primary domain controller).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106456</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107638</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265893980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>AC didn't say what his or her major was.  I'd expect different computer competencies from a Computer Science major and a French Literature major.</p></div><p>I would expect anyone of decent intelligence and a little life experience to both know the value of keeping a backup on different media (preferably in a different location) and to have a fair idea where to turn if the lights do go out at the worst time (surely the AC knows or has access to some techie people - we aren't as rare as we once were any more). Then again, people often fail to meet expectations so maybe I've just shot down my own arguement.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>AC did n't say what his or her major was .
I 'd expect different computer competencies from a Computer Science major and a French Literature major.I would expect anyone of decent intelligence and a little life experience to both know the value of keeping a backup on different media ( preferably in a different location ) and to have a fair idea where to turn if the lights do go out at the worst time ( surely the AC knows or has access to some techie people - we are n't as rare as we once were any more ) .
Then again , people often fail to meet expectations so maybe I 've just shot down my own arguement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AC didn't say what his or her major was.
I'd expect different computer competencies from a Computer Science major and a French Literature major.I would expect anyone of decent intelligence and a little life experience to both know the value of keeping a backup on different media (preferably in a different location) and to have a fair idea where to turn if the lights do go out at the worst time (surely the AC knows or has access to some techie people - we aren't as rare as we once were any more).
Then again, people often fail to meet expectations so maybe I've just shot down my own arguement.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106758</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106658</id>
	<title>Not the solution</title>
	<author>Jim Hall</author>
	<datestamp>1265889720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Several users posted solutions, but the one laid out by 'maxyimus' was marked by a Microsoft support engineer as the way out of the perpetual blue screens.</p></div><p>I don't think this is the solution you were thinking of. The <a href="http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/thread/73cea559-ebbd-4274-96bc-e292b69f2fd1/#e9b28c45-635c-4adf-8d24-817bf39c207b" title="microsoft.com">linked solution</a> [microsoft.com] has these notes:</p><blockquote><div><p># Proposed As Answer byFred\_H 21 hours 11 minutes ago</p><p># Marked As Answer by Cody - Support Engineer Microsoft Support, Moderator 20 hours 13 minutes ago</p><p># Unmarked As Answer by Cody - Support Engineer Microsoft Support, Moderator 20 hours 12 minutes ago</p></div>
</blockquote><p>So it seems "Cody - Support Engineer Microsoft Support, Moderator" had second thoughts about a minute after marking this as the solution.</p><p>[Disclaimer: I run Linux, not XP, so I don't really care either way.]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Several users posted solutions , but the one laid out by 'maxyimus ' was marked by a Microsoft support engineer as the way out of the perpetual blue screens.I do n't think this is the solution you were thinking of .
The linked solution [ microsoft.com ] has these notes : # Proposed As Answer byFred \ _H 21 hours 11 minutes ago # Marked As Answer by Cody - Support Engineer Microsoft Support , Moderator 20 hours 13 minutes ago # Unmarked As Answer by Cody - Support Engineer Microsoft Support , Moderator 20 hours 12 minutes ago So it seems " Cody - Support Engineer Microsoft Support , Moderator " had second thoughts about a minute after marking this as the solution .
[ Disclaimer : I run Linux , not XP , so I do n't really care either way .
]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Several users posted solutions, but the one laid out by 'maxyimus' was marked by a Microsoft support engineer as the way out of the perpetual blue screens.I don't think this is the solution you were thinking of.
The linked solution [microsoft.com] has these notes:# Proposed As Answer byFred\_H 21 hours 11 minutes ago# Marked As Answer by Cody - Support Engineer Microsoft Support, Moderator 20 hours 13 minutes ago# Unmarked As Answer by Cody - Support Engineer Microsoft Support, Moderator 20 hours 12 minutes ago
So it seems "Cody - Support Engineer Microsoft Support, Moderator" had second thoughts about a minute after marking this as the solution.
[Disclaimer: I run Linux, not XP, so I don't really care either way.
]
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110938</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>rdnetto</author>
	<datestamp>1265972940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> For the record, the system in question did have current AV (Norton 360)</p></div><p>For the record, I wouldn't consider that AV. Consider replacing it with Avira.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For the record , the system in question did have current AV ( Norton 360 ) For the record , I would n't consider that AV .
Consider replacing it with Avira .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> For the record, the system in question did have current AV (Norton 360)For the record, I wouldn't consider that AV.
Consider replacing it with Avira.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107768</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106504</id>
	<title>wtf</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265889060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>why are you people still using xp?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>why are you people still using xp ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why are you people still using xp?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106560</id>
	<title>I dont' HAVE a DVD or CD... it's a hard drive part</title>
	<author>Maxo-Texas</author>
	<datestamp>1265889300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My machine has a hard drive partition with the "recovery" disk.</p><p>I think I have automatic patches turned off on the XP box but I have automatic patching on the windows 7 box.</p><p>I think I'm going to figure out how to turn it off when I get home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My machine has a hard drive partition with the " recovery " disk.I think I have automatic patches turned off on the XP box but I have automatic patching on the windows 7 box.I think I 'm going to figure out how to turn it off when I get home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My machine has a hard drive partition with the "recovery" disk.I think I have automatic patches turned off on the XP box but I have automatic patching on the windows 7 box.I think I'm going to figure out how to turn it off when I get home.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106758</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>david\_thornley</author>
	<datestamp>1265890140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
AC didn't say what his or her major was.  I'd expect different computer competencies from a Computer Science major and a French Literature major.  Or, given that AC is on Slashdot, perhaps an Anthropology major.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AC did n't say what his or her major was .
I 'd expect different computer competencies from a Computer Science major and a French Literature major .
Or , given that AC is on Slashdot , perhaps an Anthropology major .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
AC didn't say what his or her major was.
I'd expect different computer competencies from a Computer Science major and a French Literature major.
Or, given that AC is on Slashdot, perhaps an Anthropology major.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106638</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31111574</id>
	<title>Upgrade solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265980920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does it also write, "please upgrade to Windows 7"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does it also write , " please upgrade to Windows 7 " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does it also write, "please upgrade to Windows 7"?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110752</id>
	<title>Shit happens... Updating a working system is risky</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265969940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just want to make sure we keep a record of this story. We can show it to the next guy when he slams Linux for breaking his video/sound after an update.</p><p>While security updates are important, I do believe in that old saying: "if it works, don't mess with it".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just want to make sure we keep a record of this story .
We can show it to the next guy when he slams Linux for breaking his video/sound after an update.While security updates are important , I do believe in that old saying : " if it works , do n't mess with it " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just want to make sure we keep a record of this story.
We can show it to the next guy when he slams Linux for breaking his video/sound after an update.While security updates are important, I do believe in that old saying: "if it works, don't mess with it".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106482</id>
	<title>Liars!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265889000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know how I know they are lying?  They are posting complaints online.  We designed this patch -specifically- to stop online complaints about updates.  They clearly haven't actually updated.</p><p>-Bill Gates</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know how I know they are lying ?
They are posting complaints online .
We designed this patch -specifically- to stop online complaints about updates .
They clearly have n't actually updated.-Bill Gates</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know how I know they are lying?
They are posting complaints online.
We designed this patch -specifically- to stop online complaints about updates.
They clearly haven't actually updated.-Bill Gates</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106892</id>
	<title>The nut behind the wheel</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1265890620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>'I updated 11 Windows XP updates today and restarted my PC like it asked me to</i> </p><p>What sort of loon patches multiple machines without first testing the patch?</p><p>XP has about 70\% or so of the client market. How many millions or tens of millions of patches have been installed successfully?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'I updated 11 Windows XP updates today and restarted my PC like it asked me to What sort of loon patches multiple machines without first testing the patch ? XP has about 70 \ % or so of the client market .
How many millions or tens of millions of patches have been installed successfully ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'I updated 11 Windows XP updates today and restarted my PC like it asked me to What sort of loon patches multiple machines without first testing the patch?XP has about 70\% or so of the client market.
How many millions or tens of millions of patches have been installed successfully?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107734</id>
	<title>Why On Earth Do People Still Use Window?</title>
	<author>curmudgeon99</author>
	<datestamp>1265894520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm feeling like a broken record here. I don't think you could consciously code up an OS with more holes than Windows has. Why on earth is it so damned vulnerable that any tiny code change can topple it over?

Tell me again why people still use Microsoft products?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm feeling like a broken record here .
I do n't think you could consciously code up an OS with more holes than Windows has .
Why on earth is it so damned vulnerable that any tiny code change can topple it over ?
Tell me again why people still use Microsoft products ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm feeling like a broken record here.
I don't think you could consciously code up an OS with more holes than Windows has.
Why on earth is it so damned vulnerable that any tiny code change can topple it over?
Tell me again why people still use Microsoft products?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31111428</id>
	<title>Can you see a pattern ?</title>
	<author>jean-guy69</author>
	<datestamp>1265979480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some time after Windows XP was made available, there was an critical security patch for Windows 98 SE and its siblings: KB891711.<p>

This patch made LOTS of Windows 98 computers become slow as being unusable and/or enjoy frequent BSODs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some time after Windows XP was made available , there was an critical security patch for Windows 98 SE and its siblings : KB891711 .
This patch made LOTS of Windows 98 computers become slow as being unusable and/or enjoy frequent BSODs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some time after Windows XP was made available, there was an critical security patch for Windows 98 SE and its siblings: KB891711.
This patch made LOTS of Windows 98 computers become slow as being unusable and/or enjoy frequent BSODs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106768</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265890200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yo dawg, we heard you like updates so...</p><p>Well, you know the rest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yo dawg , we heard you like updates so...Well , you know the rest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yo dawg, we heard you like updates so...Well, you know the rest.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106486</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31111584</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1265980980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You wish. With MS I have more than once seen an update, that fixed a buggy update, that should have fixed a bug included in a service pack. ^^<br>I distinctively remember one for MS Office, somewhere before Office XP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You wish .
With MS I have more than once seen an update , that fixed a buggy update , that should have fixed a bug included in a service pack .
^ ^ I distinctively remember one for MS Office , somewhere before Office XP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You wish.
With MS I have more than once seen an update, that fixed a buggy update, that should have fixed a bug included in a service pack.
^^I distinctively remember one for MS Office, somewhere before Office XP.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106486</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31210592</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky Me</title>
	<author>Gaffod</author>
	<datestamp>1266687300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Out of curiosity, shouldn't you at least have some sort of dead-man's switch type setup where a qualified 3rd party is informed in the event you setup fails? Simplest option would be to stay logged in a dummy IM account that someone monitors (reasoning that if your OS crashes, you'll go offline). Obviously much higher sophistication is possible.</p><p>I don't know if it will be weeks before the hypothetical problem is fixed, but at least it won't be weeks before someone who knows what he's doing tries to fix it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Out of curiosity , should n't you at least have some sort of dead-man 's switch type setup where a qualified 3rd party is informed in the event you setup fails ?
Simplest option would be to stay logged in a dummy IM account that someone monitors ( reasoning that if your OS crashes , you 'll go offline ) .
Obviously much higher sophistication is possible.I do n't know if it will be weeks before the hypothetical problem is fixed , but at least it wo n't be weeks before someone who knows what he 's doing tries to fix it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Out of curiosity, shouldn't you at least have some sort of dead-man's switch type setup where a qualified 3rd party is informed in the event you setup fails?
Simplest option would be to stay logged in a dummy IM account that someone monitors (reasoning that if your OS crashes, you'll go offline).
Obviously much higher sophistication is possible.I don't know if it will be weeks before the hypothetical problem is fixed, but at least it won't be weeks before someone who knows what he's doing tries to fix it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107188</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31111016</id>
	<title>My speculation on your setup</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1265973960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This system is my voice and my window to the world</p></div><p>My first gut reaction says I'd want to have a redundant one, so that if one gets hosed I can use the other to call out to the world and ask for help.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>There is no Linux availability at all (oh how I wish).</p></div><p>Can you run control Linux running in a virtual machine?  Is the IR eye tracking like a separate input device (but how would the applications know to handle it?), or is there some software translating your eye movements into mouse motion and key presses?  If so, maybe you can drive a VM with it, or use Synergy (software key/vid/mouse switch) to "leap" over to a Linux machine with it?</p><p>I must admit I don't think I can imagine very well what your situation is like.  So maybe my ideas are all useless.  In that case, I hope you can see past that and realise I'm doing this not just in a vain attempt at having my knowledge be useful and me being "the hero who saves the day" (although I must admit to that playing a role), but also because I genuinely hope you get more value out of your time.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This system is my voice and my window to the worldMy first gut reaction says I 'd want to have a redundant one , so that if one gets hosed I can use the other to call out to the world and ask for help.There is no Linux availability at all ( oh how I wish ) .Can you run control Linux running in a virtual machine ?
Is the IR eye tracking like a separate input device ( but how would the applications know to handle it ?
) , or is there some software translating your eye movements into mouse motion and key presses ?
If so , maybe you can drive a VM with it , or use Synergy ( software key/vid/mouse switch ) to " leap " over to a Linux machine with it ? I must admit I do n't think I can imagine very well what your situation is like .
So maybe my ideas are all useless .
In that case , I hope you can see past that and realise I 'm doing this not just in a vain attempt at having my knowledge be useful and me being " the hero who saves the day " ( although I must admit to that playing a role ) , but also because I genuinely hope you get more value out of your time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This system is my voice and my window to the worldMy first gut reaction says I'd want to have a redundant one, so that if one gets hosed I can use the other to call out to the world and ask for help.There is no Linux availability at all (oh how I wish).Can you run control Linux running in a virtual machine?
Is the IR eye tracking like a separate input device (but how would the applications know to handle it?
), or is there some software translating your eye movements into mouse motion and key presses?
If so, maybe you can drive a VM with it, or use Synergy (software key/vid/mouse switch) to "leap" over to a Linux machine with it?I must admit I don't think I can imagine very well what your situation is like.
So maybe my ideas are all useless.
In that case, I hope you can see past that and realise I'm doing this not just in a vain attempt at having my knowledge be useful and me being "the hero who saves the day" (although I must admit to that playing a role), but also because I genuinely hope you get more value out of your time.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107188</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110340</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky Me</title>
	<author>Arccot</author>
	<datestamp>1266007200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Almost every system built to assist communication for people like me are built on top of WinXP. There is a Mac version I have heard of but AFAIK doesn't do full control like the one I use. There is no Linux availability at all (oh how I wish).</p></div><p>Hmmm... that's pretty interesting. What's the software you normally use, and what's the device? There's tons of OSS developers out there just looking for a worthy cause.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Almost every system built to assist communication for people like me are built on top of WinXP .
There is a Mac version I have heard of but AFAIK does n't do full control like the one I use .
There is no Linux availability at all ( oh how I wish ) .Hmmm... that 's pretty interesting .
What 's the software you normally use , and what 's the device ?
There 's tons of OSS developers out there just looking for a worthy cause .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Almost every system built to assist communication for people like me are built on top of WinXP.
There is a Mac version I have heard of but AFAIK doesn't do full control like the one I use.
There is no Linux availability at all (oh how I wish).Hmmm... that's pretty interesting.
What's the software you normally use, and what's the device?
There's tons of OSS developers out there just looking for a worthy cause.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107188</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31112090</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265985660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1546966&amp;cid=31108534 one needs to copy atapi.dll from the windows cd to fix this issue. I believe that this is the/a cd driver. If this is case, it could be DRM that causes this issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to http : //tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid = 1546966&amp;cid = 31108534 one needs to copy atapi.dll from the windows cd to fix this issue .
I believe that this is the/a cd driver .
If this is case , it could be DRM that causes this issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1546966&amp;cid=31108534 one needs to copy atapi.dll from the windows cd to fix this issue.
I believe that this is the/a cd driver.
If this is case, it could be DRM that causes this issue.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106490</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31113520</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>Ltap</author>
	<datestamp>1265992680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"These aren't the DLLs you're looking for."
<br> <br>
Obi-Wan Kenobi, hacker to the stars.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" These are n't the DLLs you 're looking for .
" Obi-Wan Kenobi , hacker to the stars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"These aren't the DLLs you're looking for.
"
 
Obi-Wan Kenobi, hacker to the stars.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106726</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31112058</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky Me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265985480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes.  Because a quadriplegic who used exclusively XP because only it runs the eye-tracking software he uses to interact with the world  - as opposed to a troll - would really have the name "Penguinshit".  That's some quality moderation, guys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes .
Because a quadriplegic who used exclusively XP because only it runs the eye-tracking software he uses to interact with the world - as opposed to a troll - would really have the name " Penguinshit " .
That 's some quality moderation , guys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes.
Because a quadriplegic who used exclusively XP because only it runs the eye-tracking software he uses to interact with the world  - as opposed to a troll - would really have the name "Penguinshit".
That's some quality moderation, guys.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107188</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110600</id>
	<title>Re:I always wait for a while</title>
	<author>1s44c</author>
	<datestamp>1265967960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I let Windows inform me about updates, and I choose when to download them and install them. If nobody else has any problems after a week or so, then and only then will I download and install the updates. I learned a long time ago not to trust anything from Microsoft.</p></div><p>You don't trust anything from Microsoft but you trust Microsoft with all your data?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I let Windows inform me about updates , and I choose when to download them and install them .
If nobody else has any problems after a week or so , then and only then will I download and install the updates .
I learned a long time ago not to trust anything from Microsoft.You do n't trust anything from Microsoft but you trust Microsoft with all your data ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I let Windows inform me about updates, and I choose when to download them and install them.
If nobody else has any problems after a week or so, then and only then will I download and install the updates.
I learned a long time ago not to trust anything from Microsoft.You don't trust anything from Microsoft but you trust Microsoft with all your data?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106898</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31112960</id>
	<title>Patch Blue Screen = Infection</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265989980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>atapi.sys is infected on non-functioning systems.  The patched files try to access it and because of the infection they trigger a crash.</p><p>The last time there were blue screens after a patch it was also because people got infected.  Not really a Microsoft issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>atapi.sys is infected on non-functioning systems .
The patched files try to access it and because of the infection they trigger a crash.The last time there were blue screens after a patch it was also because people got infected .
Not really a Microsoft issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>atapi.sys is infected on non-functioning systems.
The patched files try to access it and because of the infection they trigger a crash.The last time there were blue screens after a patch it was also because people got infected.
Not really a Microsoft issue.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31109060</id>
	<title>This one must have been fun to track down</title>
	<author>Torodung</author>
	<datestamp>1265904540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There were 8 freaking OS security patches in this last patch Tuesday. It must have been a joy to track down the one update that was causing the problem (KB977165).</p><p>I have honest pangs of sympathy for the poor sucker that had to figure out that that one update was rendering infected systems unbootable.</p><p>This is why monoculture sucks. *Healthy* cultures are diverse. "Mono" doesn't enter into it. Pun very much intended.</p><p>--<br>Toro</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There were 8 freaking OS security patches in this last patch Tuesday .
It must have been a joy to track down the one update that was causing the problem ( KB977165 ) .I have honest pangs of sympathy for the poor sucker that had to figure out that that one update was rendering infected systems unbootable.This is why monoculture sucks .
* Healthy * cultures are diverse .
" Mono " does n't enter into it .
Pun very much intended.--Toro</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There were 8 freaking OS security patches in this last patch Tuesday.
It must have been a joy to track down the one update that was causing the problem (KB977165).I have honest pangs of sympathy for the poor sucker that had to figure out that that one update was rendering infected systems unbootable.This is why monoculture sucks.
*Healthy* cultures are diverse.
"Mono" doesn't enter into it.
Pun very much intended.--Toro</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108454</id>
	<title>Re:Why On Earth Do People Still Use Window?</title>
	<author>dave562</author>
	<datestamp>1265899200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People use it because it still gets the job done, and if you know what you're doing it, you can manage to use it without screwing it up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People use it because it still gets the job done , and if you know what you 're doing it , you can manage to use it without screwing it up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People use it because it still gets the job done, and if you know what you're doing it, you can manage to use it without screwing it up.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107734</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106990</id>
	<title>Constant BSOD...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265891040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is different from.... what?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is different from.... what ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is different from.... what?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107212</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>Lulfas</author>
	<datestamp>1265891880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even those majors should be able to RTFS and see where it lists the way to fix it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even those majors should be able to RTFS and see where it lists the way to fix it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even those majors should be able to RTFS and see where it lists the way to fix it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106758</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31113356</id>
	<title>Re:Potential cause for the blue-screens</title>
	<author>klui</author>
	<datestamp>1265991900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's interesting how some AV products don't recognize the rootkit--I recognize Avast, and ClamAV.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's interesting how some AV products do n't recognize the rootkit--I recognize Avast , and ClamAV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's interesting how some AV products don't recognize the rootkit--I recognize Avast, and ClamAV.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108534</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31112810</id>
	<title>The final update!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265989320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is finally the update that will actively and effectively secure Windows once and for all!</p><p>Thank you MS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is finally the update that will actively and effectively secure Windows once and for all ! Thank you MS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is finally the update that will actively and effectively secure Windows once and for all!Thank you MS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108478</id>
	<title>Re:LOL</title>
	<author>dave562</author>
	<datestamp>1265899380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some people manage to play games AND do what you've done, or similar things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some people manage to play games AND do what you 've done , or similar things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some people manage to play games AND do what you've done, or similar things.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107944</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107404</id>
	<title>Windows cannot start again. So?</title>
	<author>gestalt\_n\_pepper</author>
	<datestamp>1265892780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You say this like it's a *bad* thing...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You say this like it 's a * bad * thing.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You say this like it's a *bad* thing...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106696</id>
	<title>How is Microsoft supposed to make any more</title>
	<author>ticktickboom</author>
	<datestamp>1265889900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is Microsoft supposed to make any more money from you if they don't trash their old OS?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is Microsoft supposed to make any more money from you if they do n't trash their old OS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is Microsoft supposed to make any more money from you if they don't trash their old OS?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110416</id>
	<title>About to reboot after the update, wish me luck!!!</title>
	<author>advocate\_one</author>
	<datestamp>1265965260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>think I'll print this thread out first as there's some good recovery info...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>think I 'll print this thread out first as there 's some good recovery info... : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>think I'll print this thread out first as there's some good recovery info... :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107528</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>BradleyUffner</author>
	<datestamp>1265893380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's pretty easy to fault them for not taking a checksum before they patch to ensure that the file isn't modified. If it is, warn the user.</p></div></blockquote><p>root kits go to great lengths to hide.  They could very well intercept the calls to read the infected file and return the correct version, which would result in an MD5 sum that looks perfectly valid.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's pretty easy to fault them for not taking a checksum before they patch to ensure that the file is n't modified .
If it is , warn the user.root kits go to great lengths to hide .
They could very well intercept the calls to read the infected file and return the correct version , which would result in an MD5 sum that looks perfectly valid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's pretty easy to fault them for not taking a checksum before they patch to ensure that the file isn't modified.
If it is, warn the user.root kits go to great lengths to hide.
They could very well intercept the calls to read the infected file and return the correct version, which would result in an MD5 sum that looks perfectly valid.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106724</id>
	<title>UNmarked as Answer... one minute later!</title>
	<author>macraig</author>
	<datestamp>1265890020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would TFS even highlight that post in the discussion, when the support engineer's  promotion of it was retracted almost as soon as it was added?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would TFS even highlight that post in the discussion , when the support engineer 's promotion of it was retracted almost as soon as it was added ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would TFS even highlight that post in the discussion, when the support engineer's  promotion of it was retracted almost as soon as it was added?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106898</id>
	<title>I always wait for a while</title>
	<author>reboot246</author>
	<datestamp>1265890680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I let Windows inform me about updates, and I choose when to download them and install them. If nobody else has any problems after a week or so, then and only then will I download and install the updates. I learned a long time ago not to trust anything from Microsoft.<br><br>I'd like to thank all of you who beta tested the updates for me!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I let Windows inform me about updates , and I choose when to download them and install them .
If nobody else has any problems after a week or so , then and only then will I download and install the updates .
I learned a long time ago not to trust anything from Microsoft.I 'd like to thank all of you who beta tested the updates for me !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I let Windows inform me about updates, and I choose when to download them and install them.
If nobody else has any problems after a week or so, then and only then will I download and install the updates.
I learned a long time ago not to trust anything from Microsoft.I'd like to thank all of you who beta tested the updates for me!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31112072</id>
	<title>Fixed it for you</title>
	<author>jimbolauski</author>
	<datestamp>1265985600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>5) Copy ALL important files to the USB drive (probably safest to copy your entire user directory, if your USB drive is big enough.</p></div><p>

Copy ALL important files to the USB drive (probably safest to copy your entire user directory, that command is)<br>
cd<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/C<nobr> <wbr></nobr>//moves to the c directory<br>
rm *<nobr> <wbr></nobr>//<b>r</b>etrieves the <b>m</b>edia in the current directory</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>5 ) Copy ALL important files to the USB drive ( probably safest to copy your entire user directory , if your USB drive is big enough .
Copy ALL important files to the USB drive ( probably safest to copy your entire user directory , that command is ) cd /C //moves to the c directory rm * //retrieves the media in the current directory</tokentext>
<sentencetext>5) Copy ALL important files to the USB drive (probably safest to copy your entire user directory, if your USB drive is big enough.
Copy ALL important files to the USB drive (probably safest to copy your entire user directory, that command is)
cd /C //moves to the c directory
rm * //retrieves the media in the current directory
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106770</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31112216</id>
	<title>not so bad after all?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265986320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the comments I've read, it seems that it's only the Windows XP boxes that were infected with virus and other nasties that are BSODing.</p><p>In other words, the weak systems have died. If it wasn't for cases like the PhD dude who lost his thesis, I would call it actually a good thing since those guys will be forced to refresh their Windows install and hopefully make it one less zombie on our intertubes.</p><p>AC</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the comments I 've read , it seems that it 's only the Windows XP boxes that were infected with virus and other nasties that are BSODing.In other words , the weak systems have died .
If it was n't for cases like the PhD dude who lost his thesis , I would call it actually a good thing since those guys will be forced to refresh their Windows install and hopefully make it one less zombie on our intertubes.AC</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the comments I've read, it seems that it's only the Windows XP boxes that were infected with virus and other nasties that are BSODing.In other words, the weak systems have died.
If it wasn't for cases like the PhD dude who lost his thesis, I would call it actually a good thing since those guys will be forced to refresh their Windows install and hopefully make it one less zombie on our intertubes.AC</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31113146</id>
	<title>Rootkit false positive?</title>
	<author>bjs555</author>
	<datestamp>1265991000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My machines are running ok but I thought I'd look to see if KB977165 which is reported to cause the blue screens was on any of them. It was installed on one machine and not on another. So I thought I'd check a few more things that others say may be causing the problem.</p><p>It has been suggested that atapi.sys in the system32/drivers folder might be rootkitted by the update. I compared the SHA-1 hash of atapi.sys on both machines and they were the same (A719156E8AD67456556A02C34E762944234E7A44) so, apparently, update KB977165 didn't change that file in my case.</p><p>Some people are saying that atapi.sys is infected with a rootkit. I ran scanned the file through Jotti.com and it found nothing. I also scanned the file at VirusTotal.com and only eSafe reported a problem as follows:<br>eSafe 7.0.17.0 2010.02.11 Win32.Rootkit</p><p>I think this is a false positive since I have identical copies of atapi.sys on both machines and both show the same result on eSafe.</p><p>It's possible, I suppose, that I was rooted by something other than the Windows updates but, so far, Sysinternals Rootkit Revealer has shown nothing suspicious.</p><p>Do these results agree with anybody elses?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My machines are running ok but I thought I 'd look to see if KB977165 which is reported to cause the blue screens was on any of them .
It was installed on one machine and not on another .
So I thought I 'd check a few more things that others say may be causing the problem.It has been suggested that atapi.sys in the system32/drivers folder might be rootkitted by the update .
I compared the SHA-1 hash of atapi.sys on both machines and they were the same ( A719156E8AD67456556A02C34E762944234E7A44 ) so , apparently , update KB977165 did n't change that file in my case.Some people are saying that atapi.sys is infected with a rootkit .
I ran scanned the file through Jotti.com and it found nothing .
I also scanned the file at VirusTotal.com and only eSafe reported a problem as follows : eSafe 7.0.17.0 2010.02.11 Win32.RootkitI think this is a false positive since I have identical copies of atapi.sys on both machines and both show the same result on eSafe.It 's possible , I suppose , that I was rooted by something other than the Windows updates but , so far , Sysinternals Rootkit Revealer has shown nothing suspicious.Do these results agree with anybody elses ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My machines are running ok but I thought I'd look to see if KB977165 which is reported to cause the blue screens was on any of them.
It was installed on one machine and not on another.
So I thought I'd check a few more things that others say may be causing the problem.It has been suggested that atapi.sys in the system32/drivers folder might be rootkitted by the update.
I compared the SHA-1 hash of atapi.sys on both machines and they were the same (A719156E8AD67456556A02C34E762944234E7A44) so, apparently, update KB977165 didn't change that file in my case.Some people are saying that atapi.sys is infected with a rootkit.
I ran scanned the file through Jotti.com and it found nothing.
I also scanned the file at VirusTotal.com and only eSafe reported a problem as follows:eSafe 7.0.17.0 2010.02.11 Win32.RootkitI think this is a false positive since I have identical copies of atapi.sys on both machines and both show the same result on eSafe.It's possible, I suppose, that I was rooted by something other than the Windows updates but, so far, Sysinternals Rootkit Revealer has shown nothing suspicious.Do these results agree with anybody elses?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108242</id>
	<title>msft doh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265897580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wondered why my brand new xp netbook gave me the old blue screen the other day. Msft, just be glad they don't make airplanes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wondered why my brand new xp netbook gave me the old blue screen the other day .
Msft , just be glad they do n't make airplanes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wondered why my brand new xp netbook gave me the old blue screen the other day.
Msft, just be glad they don't make airplanes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31186996</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>the\_olo</author>
	<datestamp>1266518880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>
5) Copy ALL important files to the USB drive (probably safest to copy your entire user directory, if your USB drive is big enough.
</p><p>
6) When done, re-format your hard drive and re-install XP.
</p><p>
7) Update your system completely.
</p><p>
8) Re-install all applications you need (office, etc.)
</p><p>
9) Copy your important files off of the USB drive.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
I'd suggest "5a): send really-really-important files to yourself by e-mail". You know, just in case your USB drive dies somewhere between 5) and 9).
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>5 ) Copy ALL important files to the USB drive ( probably safest to copy your entire user directory , if your USB drive is big enough .
6 ) When done , re-format your hard drive and re-install XP .
7 ) Update your system completely .
8 ) Re-install all applications you need ( office , etc .
) 9 ) Copy your important files off of the USB drive .
I 'd suggest " 5a ) : send really-really-important files to yourself by e-mail " .
You know , just in case your USB drive dies somewhere between 5 ) and 9 ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
5) Copy ALL important files to the USB drive (probably safest to copy your entire user directory, if your USB drive is big enough.
6) When done, re-format your hard drive and re-install XP.
7) Update your system completely.
8) Re-install all applications you need (office, etc.
)

9) Copy your important files off of the USB drive.
I'd suggest "5a): send really-really-important files to yourself by e-mail".
You know, just in case your USB drive dies somewhere between 5) and 9).

	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106770</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31109296</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>hairyfeet</author>
	<datestamp>1265906880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or they should be able to <a href="http://support.microsoft.com/kb/304449" title="microsoft.com">use system restore from command prompt</a> [microsoft.com] and go back to before the update that borked the machine. After getting the machine back up and running I prefer to give them <a href="http://www.comodo.com/home/data-storage-encryption/data-recovery.php" title="comodo.com">Comodo Time Machine</a> [comodo.com] which allows them to press the home key if they ever end up in a "no boot" situation, and I set it for daily snapshots. </p><p>

Comodo time Machine is simple enough that anybody can use it, and having its own boot console with easy to use GUI means even if the PC won't boot they can still restore from snapshot. Much easier than all that mess you typed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or they should be able to use system restore from command prompt [ microsoft.com ] and go back to before the update that borked the machine .
After getting the machine back up and running I prefer to give them Comodo Time Machine [ comodo.com ] which allows them to press the home key if they ever end up in a " no boot " situation , and I set it for daily snapshots .
Comodo time Machine is simple enough that anybody can use it , and having its own boot console with easy to use GUI means even if the PC wo n't boot they can still restore from snapshot .
Much easier than all that mess you typed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or they should be able to use system restore from command prompt [microsoft.com] and go back to before the update that borked the machine.
After getting the machine back up and running I prefer to give them Comodo Time Machine [comodo.com] which allows them to press the home key if they ever end up in a "no boot" situation, and I set it for daily snapshots.
Comodo time Machine is simple enough that anybody can use it, and having its own boot console with easy to use GUI means even if the PC won't boot they can still restore from snapshot.
Much easier than all that mess you typed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106770</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31109158</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>MarcQuadra</author>
	<datestamp>1265905680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the kernel is rooted, the checksum of the altered file from the running instance of the rooted OS would appear fine. That's the beauty of a rootkit.</p><p>Windows XP already has a built-in checksumming system file checker. Unfortunately, the only way you'll see the rootkit is by booting from alternate media.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the kernel is rooted , the checksum of the altered file from the running instance of the rooted OS would appear fine .
That 's the beauty of a rootkit.Windows XP already has a built-in checksumming system file checker .
Unfortunately , the only way you 'll see the rootkit is by booting from alternate media .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the kernel is rooted, the checksum of the altered file from the running instance of the rooted OS would appear fine.
That's the beauty of a rootkit.Windows XP already has a built-in checksumming system file checker.
Unfortunately, the only way you'll see the rootkit is by booting from alternate media.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31113416</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265992200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>AC didn't say what his or her major was. I'd expect different computer competencies from a Computer Science major and a French Literature major. Or, given that AC is on Slashdot, perhaps an Anthropology major.</p></div></blockquote><p>
It <em>was</em> phys. ed. you insensitive clod! Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to my new marketing job and eventual suicide. Don't worry, I'll try to take as many of my fellow employees with me as I can</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>AC did n't say what his or her major was .
I 'd expect different computer competencies from a Computer Science major and a French Literature major .
Or , given that AC is on Slashdot , perhaps an Anthropology major .
It was phys .
ed. you insensitive clod !
Now , if you 'll excuse me , I 'm off to my new marketing job and eventual suicide .
Do n't worry , I 'll try to take as many of my fellow employees with me as I can</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AC didn't say what his or her major was.
I'd expect different computer competencies from a Computer Science major and a French Literature major.
Or, given that AC is on Slashdot, perhaps an Anthropology major.
It was phys.
ed. you insensitive clod!
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to my new marketing job and eventual suicide.
Don't worry, I'll try to take as many of my fellow employees with me as I can
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110206</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266005280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>For all we know we're going to find out that this was actually some bull-crap DRM solution.</p></div></blockquote><p>Oh please oh please oh please let Starforce or SecuROM take a hit on this one.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For all we know we 're going to find out that this was actually some bull-crap DRM solution.Oh please oh please oh please let Starforce or SecuROM take a hit on this one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For all we know we're going to find out that this was actually some bull-crap DRM solution.Oh please oh please oh please let Starforce or SecuROM take a hit on this one.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107542</id>
	<title>Re:wtf</title>
	<author>bmk67</author>
	<datestamp>1265893440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>why are you people still using xp?</p></div><p>
Because -<br>
<br>
a) I already own a license<br>
<br>
b) It suits my needs<br>
<br>
c) It's what my employer requires me to have on my at-home on-call PC.  Since they're footing the bill, I can hardly complain.  See a) and b) above.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>why are you people still using xp ?
Because - a ) I already own a license b ) It suits my needs c ) It 's what my employer requires me to have on my at-home on-call PC .
Since they 're footing the bill , I can hardly complain .
See a ) and b ) above .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why are you people still using xp?
Because -

a) I already own a license

b) It suits my needs

c) It's what my employer requires me to have on my at-home on-call PC.
Since they're footing the bill, I can hardly complain.
See a) and b) above.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31111268</id>
	<title>I wasn't ready, but I was prepared!</title>
	<author>John Pfeiffer</author>
	<datestamp>1265977140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having heard about this, I didn't install any of the pending updates on my WinXP x64 machine which I was a scant couple days from installing Windows 7 on.  Tonight, just as I was getting ready to do the do, the WinXP installation stopped booting... I guess the update snuck its way in.  Luckily I was in a position to simply move up the install a couple hours.  I had been hoping to copy the data off the original system drive while it was still operational, but instead I just took the drive out and I'll copy the stuff off later.</p><p>God I hate Windows updates. They're always doing SOMETHING to automatically screw us good, whether by accident or not...</p><p>Could have been worse though; if I weren't in the process of getting ready to reinstall, I would have been completely up the creek.</p><p>Oh well.  Windows 7 install is chugging along, I guess I'll go play some King of Fighters on the arcade cabinet I pissed away my tax refund on last week.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having heard about this , I did n't install any of the pending updates on my WinXP x64 machine which I was a scant couple days from installing Windows 7 on .
Tonight , just as I was getting ready to do the do , the WinXP installation stopped booting... I guess the update snuck its way in .
Luckily I was in a position to simply move up the install a couple hours .
I had been hoping to copy the data off the original system drive while it was still operational , but instead I just took the drive out and I 'll copy the stuff off later.God I hate Windows updates .
They 're always doing SOMETHING to automatically screw us good , whether by accident or not...Could have been worse though ; if I were n't in the process of getting ready to reinstall , I would have been completely up the creek.Oh well .
Windows 7 install is chugging along , I guess I 'll go play some King of Fighters on the arcade cabinet I pissed away my tax refund on last week .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having heard about this, I didn't install any of the pending updates on my WinXP x64 machine which I was a scant couple days from installing Windows 7 on.
Tonight, just as I was getting ready to do the do, the WinXP installation stopped booting... I guess the update snuck its way in.
Luckily I was in a position to simply move up the install a couple hours.
I had been hoping to copy the data off the original system drive while it was still operational, but instead I just took the drive out and I'll copy the stuff off later.God I hate Windows updates.
They're always doing SOMETHING to automatically screw us good, whether by accident or not...Could have been worse though; if I weren't in the process of getting ready to reinstall, I would have been completely up the creek.Oh well.
Windows 7 install is chugging along, I guess I'll go play some King of Fighters on the arcade cabinet I pissed away my tax refund on last week.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31111698</id>
	<title>Re:Remove automatic updates from your slipstream</title>
	<author>Antiocheian</author>
	<datestamp>1265982420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm using Linux (Slackware) but not as a generic-purpose OS as XP. The problem with Mint (and Ubuntu) is that it is much slower on older systems than XP and doesn't offer the same level of compatibility.</p><p>I am considering upgrading my systems to go to a full Mint installation, but the problem is the landfill I can't justify the landfill.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm using Linux ( Slackware ) but not as a generic-purpose OS as XP .
The problem with Mint ( and Ubuntu ) is that it is much slower on older systems than XP and does n't offer the same level of compatibility.I am considering upgrading my systems to go to a full Mint installation , but the problem is the landfill I ca n't justify the landfill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm using Linux (Slackware) but not as a generic-purpose OS as XP.
The problem with Mint (and Ubuntu) is that it is much slower on older systems than XP and doesn't offer the same level of compatibility.I am considering upgrading my systems to go to a full Mint installation, but the problem is the landfill I can't justify the landfill.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107836</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107836</id>
	<title>Re:Remove automatic updates from your slipstream</title>
	<author>Plekto</author>
	<datestamp>1265894940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b>Here is a list of Microsoft stuff to remove from your XP slipstream:</b></p><p>(snip enormous list of junk)</p><p>If you rip out all of that, though, you're left with essentially the same interface and options as a normal install of Linux or Mint.  Ie - you have to find and download everything piece by piece and install it one at a time, which is no different at all than finding stuff from a distro server and doing it that way.</p><p>Well, except that it's still a less stable OS with the same learning curve if you are a new user who's never used Windows before(yes, some do exist...)</p><p>Not trolling here.  Just, to make Windows stable as Linux, well, you have to strip it down almost to Linux levels anyways, so why bother with the headache?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here is a list of Microsoft stuff to remove from your XP slipstream : ( snip enormous list of junk ) If you rip out all of that , though , you 're left with essentially the same interface and options as a normal install of Linux or Mint .
Ie - you have to find and download everything piece by piece and install it one at a time , which is no different at all than finding stuff from a distro server and doing it that way.Well , except that it 's still a less stable OS with the same learning curve if you are a new user who 's never used Windows before ( yes , some do exist... ) Not trolling here .
Just , to make Windows stable as Linux , well , you have to strip it down almost to Linux levels anyways , so why bother with the headache ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here is a list of Microsoft stuff to remove from your XP slipstream:(snip enormous list of junk)If you rip out all of that, though, you're left with essentially the same interface and options as a normal install of Linux or Mint.
Ie - you have to find and download everything piece by piece and install it one at a time, which is no different at all than finding stuff from a distro server and doing it that way.Well, except that it's still a less stable OS with the same learning curve if you are a new user who's never used Windows before(yes, some do exist...)Not trolling here.
Just, to make Windows stable as Linux, well, you have to strip it down almost to Linux levels anyways, so why bother with the headache?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110864</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265971680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Windows Update uses delta updates and delta binaries. And their updates are not huge considering files patches for each update.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows Update uses delta updates and delta binaries .
And their updates are not huge considering files patches for each update .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows Update uses delta updates and delta binaries.
And their updates are not huge considering files patches for each update.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107314</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31109018</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky Me</title>
	<author>Falconhell</author>
	<datestamp>1265904300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My sympathies for your difficulties.</p><p>Could I perhaps suggest a complete spare computer would be a good idea?</p><p>
&nbsp; At least not allowing updates to occur until a week after the patch release might give you some reassurance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My sympathies for your difficulties.Could I perhaps suggest a complete spare computer would be a good idea ?
  At least not allowing updates to occur until a week after the patch release might give you some reassurance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My sympathies for your difficulties.Could I perhaps suggest a complete spare computer would be a good idea?
  At least not allowing updates to occur until a week after the patch release might give you some reassurance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108084</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>HAKdragon</author>
	<datestamp>1265896500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>On windows 2000 and XP: C:\Documents and Settings\<br>
On Windows Vista and 7: C:\Users\<br>
I think It's also C:\Users on Windows NT prior to Windows NT 4.</htmltext>
<tokenext>On windows 2000 and XP : C : \ Documents and Settings \ On Windows Vista and 7 : C : \ Users \ I think It 's also C : \ Users on Windows NT prior to Windows NT 4 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On windows 2000 and XP: C:\Documents and Settings\
On Windows Vista and 7: C:\Users\
I think It's also C:\Users on Windows NT prior to Windows NT 4.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31109004</id>
	<title>Re:Just close your eyes and chant</title>
	<author>Torodung</author>
	<datestamp>1265904060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Windows costs less, is more secure, and superior to opensource OS's.</p><p>And hope your boss hears you before your fired.</p></div><p>Nobody was ever fired for choosing Microsoft. That used to be the chant about IBM back in the day. MS just inherited the object properties.</p><p>--<br>Toro</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows costs less , is more secure , and superior to opensource OS 's.And hope your boss hears you before your fired.Nobody was ever fired for choosing Microsoft .
That used to be the chant about IBM back in the day .
MS just inherited the object properties.--Toro</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows costs less, is more secure, and superior to opensource OS's.And hope your boss hears you before your fired.Nobody was ever fired for choosing Microsoft.
That used to be the chant about IBM back in the day.
MS just inherited the object properties.--Toro
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106536</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107768</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>PsychoSlashDot</author>
	<datestamp>1265894700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><i>It's pretty easy to fault them for not taking a checksum before they patch to ensure that the file isn't modified.  If it is, warn the user.</i></p></div><p>You're both missing what's actually happening here.</p><p>1} The "patch code" doesn't choke.  The patched kernel does next reboot.<br>2} The patch doesn't touch the infected file.</p><p>The problem appears to be a compromised atapi.sys driver.  Is it really reasonable for Microsoft's patch to the kernel to react gracefully to whatever corruption is present in that driver?  I know the obvious is that Windows should fail gracefully on any fault, but really... we don't have any clue what's present in that file.</p><p>Summary: patch patches the kernel.  Kernel tries to initialize a compromised driver.  BSOD.</p><p>Extra stuff...</p><p>I actually encountered such a machine this morning.  This was pretty much while folks were realizing what was going on, before we collectively knew WHICH patch was responsible.  I backed out the offending patch and got the system back up.  I then found the box was WinXP Pro SP2, so I applied SP3.  <b>The SP3 install choked while examining the environment, saying that something had a handle on ATAPI.SYS</b>  Well, being a tech, I fired up some tools, found a system process had the handle, closed it, and let SP3 continue.  I then patched up everything else.  Finally, I reinstalled KB977165.  Lo and behold, the system worked fine.  So in hindsight I can see that yeah, something was funky about that file in particular.  Malware or not, something wasn't right about it.  For the record, the system in question did have current AV (Norton 360) and was behind a simple NAT router but the user did have admin rights.  Zero other signs of infection.</p><p><b>For all we know we're going to find out that this was actually some bull-crap DRM solution.</b></p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's pretty easy to fault them for not taking a checksum before they patch to ensure that the file is n't modified .
If it is , warn the user.You 're both missing what 's actually happening here.1 } The " patch code " does n't choke .
The patched kernel does next reboot.2 } The patch does n't touch the infected file.The problem appears to be a compromised atapi.sys driver .
Is it really reasonable for Microsoft 's patch to the kernel to react gracefully to whatever corruption is present in that driver ?
I know the obvious is that Windows should fail gracefully on any fault , but really... we do n't have any clue what 's present in that file.Summary : patch patches the kernel .
Kernel tries to initialize a compromised driver .
BSOD.Extra stuff...I actually encountered such a machine this morning .
This was pretty much while folks were realizing what was going on , before we collectively knew WHICH patch was responsible .
I backed out the offending patch and got the system back up .
I then found the box was WinXP Pro SP2 , so I applied SP3 .
The SP3 install choked while examining the environment , saying that something had a handle on ATAPI.SYS Well , being a tech , I fired up some tools , found a system process had the handle , closed it , and let SP3 continue .
I then patched up everything else .
Finally , I reinstalled KB977165 .
Lo and behold , the system worked fine .
So in hindsight I can see that yeah , something was funky about that file in particular .
Malware or not , something was n't right about it .
For the record , the system in question did have current AV ( Norton 360 ) and was behind a simple NAT router but the user did have admin rights .
Zero other signs of infection.For all we know we 're going to find out that this was actually some bull-crap DRM solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's pretty easy to fault them for not taking a checksum before they patch to ensure that the file isn't modified.
If it is, warn the user.You're both missing what's actually happening here.1} The "patch code" doesn't choke.
The patched kernel does next reboot.2} The patch doesn't touch the infected file.The problem appears to be a compromised atapi.sys driver.
Is it really reasonable for Microsoft's patch to the kernel to react gracefully to whatever corruption is present in that driver?
I know the obvious is that Windows should fail gracefully on any fault, but really... we don't have any clue what's present in that file.Summary: patch patches the kernel.
Kernel tries to initialize a compromised driver.
BSOD.Extra stuff...I actually encountered such a machine this morning.
This was pretty much while folks were realizing what was going on, before we collectively knew WHICH patch was responsible.
I backed out the offending patch and got the system back up.
I then found the box was WinXP Pro SP2, so I applied SP3.
The SP3 install choked while examining the environment, saying that something had a handle on ATAPI.SYS  Well, being a tech, I fired up some tools, found a system process had the handle, closed it, and let SP3 continue.
I then patched up everything else.
Finally, I reinstalled KB977165.
Lo and behold, the system worked fine.
So in hindsight I can see that yeah, something was funky about that file in particular.
Malware or not, something wasn't right about it.
For the record, the system in question did have current AV (Norton 360) and was behind a simple NAT router but the user did have admin rights.
Zero other signs of infection.For all we know we're going to find out that this was actually some bull-crap DRM solution.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107754</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>hozozco</author>
	<datestamp>1265894580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>At workstation level - but I ALWAYS Ghost my c:\ drive before applying updates.  Painful, but it has paid off big time on occasions.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>At workstation level - but I ALWAYS Ghost my c : \ drive before applying updates .
Painful , but it has paid off big time on occasions .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At workstation level - but I ALWAYS Ghost my c:\ drive before applying updates.
Painful, but it has paid off big time on occasions.
:-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106456</id>
	<title>Remove automatic updates from your slipstream</title>
	<author>Antiocheian</author>
	<datestamp>1265888880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here is a list of Microsoft stuff to remove from your XP slipstream:</p><p>Automatic Updates (for reasons related to the article)<br>Windows media player (including 6.4) because it downloads codecs at will.<br>Accessibility Options (unless you need them)<br>ClipBook Viewer (useless)<br>Games<br>Internet Games<br>NT Backup (use a modern backup)<br>Paint<br>Pinball<br>Screensavers<br>WordPad (use openoffice for that)<br>ActiveX for streaming video<br>AOL ART Image Format Support<br>Images and Backgrounds<br>Intel Indeo codecs<br>Media Center<br>Mouse Cursors<br>Movie Maker<br>Music Samples<br>Old CDPlayer and Sound Recorder<br>Client for Netware Networks<br>Communication tools<br>Comtrol Test Terminal Program<br>FrontPage Extensions<br>H323 MSP<br>Internet Connection Wizard<br>IP Conferencing<br>MSN Explorer<br>Netmeeting<br>Network Setup Wizard<br>NWLink IPX/SPX/NetBIOS Protocol<br>Peer-to-Peer<br>Share Creation Wizard<br>Synchronization Manager<br>Vector Graphics Rendering (VML)<br>Windows Messenger<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET Framework<br>Blaster/Nachi removal tool (get Avira!)<br>Color Schemes<br>Desktop Cleanup Wizard (just have clean desktop)<br>Disk Cleanup (CCleaner instead)<br>Document Templates<br>DR Watson<br>Extensible Storage Engine (Esent97) (Ancient)<br>File and Settings Wizard (Useless)<br>Help and Support (Utterly useless)<br>IExpress Wizard<br>Manual Install and Upgrade (Just keep good system backups)<br>MS Agent<br>MS XML 2.0<br>Out of Box Experience (OOBE)<br>Search Assistant (the dog)<br>Service Pack Messages<br>Shell Media Handler<br>Symbolic Debugger (NTSD)<br>Tour<br>Web View<br>Zip Folders (rar instead)<br>Error Reporting<br>IMAPI CD-Burning COM Service (imgburn for these old devices)<br>System Restore Service<br>Hardware shell detection (this is one of the pieces that allow USB viruses to run in the first place)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here is a list of Microsoft stuff to remove from your XP slipstream : Automatic Updates ( for reasons related to the article ) Windows media player ( including 6.4 ) because it downloads codecs at will.Accessibility Options ( unless you need them ) ClipBook Viewer ( useless ) GamesInternet GamesNT Backup ( use a modern backup ) PaintPinballScreensaversWordPad ( use openoffice for that ) ActiveX for streaming videoAOL ART Image Format SupportImages and BackgroundsIntel Indeo codecsMedia CenterMouse CursorsMovie MakerMusic SamplesOld CDPlayer and Sound RecorderClient for Netware NetworksCommunication toolsComtrol Test Terminal ProgramFrontPage ExtensionsH323 MSPInternet Connection WizardIP ConferencingMSN ExplorerNetmeetingNetwork Setup WizardNWLink IPX/SPX/NetBIOS ProtocolPeer-to-PeerShare Creation WizardSynchronization ManagerVector Graphics Rendering ( VML ) Windows Messenger .NET FrameworkBlaster/Nachi removal tool ( get Avira !
) Color SchemesDesktop Cleanup Wizard ( just have clean desktop ) Disk Cleanup ( CCleaner instead ) Document TemplatesDR WatsonExtensible Storage Engine ( Esent97 ) ( Ancient ) File and Settings Wizard ( Useless ) Help and Support ( Utterly useless ) IExpress WizardManual Install and Upgrade ( Just keep good system backups ) MS AgentMS XML 2.0Out of Box Experience ( OOBE ) Search Assistant ( the dog ) Service Pack MessagesShell Media HandlerSymbolic Debugger ( NTSD ) TourWeb ViewZip Folders ( rar instead ) Error ReportingIMAPI CD-Burning COM Service ( imgburn for these old devices ) System Restore ServiceHardware shell detection ( this is one of the pieces that allow USB viruses to run in the first place )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here is a list of Microsoft stuff to remove from your XP slipstream:Automatic Updates (for reasons related to the article)Windows media player (including 6.4) because it downloads codecs at will.Accessibility Options (unless you need them)ClipBook Viewer (useless)GamesInternet GamesNT Backup (use a modern backup)PaintPinballScreensaversWordPad (use openoffice for that)ActiveX for streaming videoAOL ART Image Format SupportImages and BackgroundsIntel Indeo codecsMedia CenterMouse CursorsMovie MakerMusic SamplesOld CDPlayer and Sound RecorderClient for Netware NetworksCommunication toolsComtrol Test Terminal ProgramFrontPage ExtensionsH323 MSPInternet Connection WizardIP ConferencingMSN ExplorerNetmeetingNetwork Setup WizardNWLink IPX/SPX/NetBIOS ProtocolPeer-to-PeerShare Creation WizardSynchronization ManagerVector Graphics Rendering (VML)Windows Messenger .NET FrameworkBlaster/Nachi removal tool (get Avira!
)Color SchemesDesktop Cleanup Wizard (just have clean desktop)Disk Cleanup (CCleaner instead)Document TemplatesDR WatsonExtensible Storage Engine (Esent97) (Ancient)File and Settings Wizard (Useless)Help and Support (Utterly useless)IExpress WizardManual Install and Upgrade (Just keep good system backups)MS AgentMS XML 2.0Out of Box Experience (OOBE)Search Assistant (the dog)Service Pack MessagesShell Media HandlerSymbolic Debugger (NTSD)TourWeb ViewZip Folders (rar instead)Error ReportingIMAPI CD-Burning COM Service (imgburn for these old devices)System Restore ServiceHardware shell detection (this is one of the pieces that allow USB viruses to run in the first place)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106920</id>
	<title>Re:LOL</title>
	<author>MobileTatsu-NJG</author>
	<datestamp>1265890740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>LOL! Games played since 1996:</p><ul> <li>Quake</li> </ul><ul> <li>StarCraft</li> </ul><ul> <li>Myst</li> </ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>LOL !
Games played since 1996 : Quake StarCraft Myst</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LOL!
Games played since 1996: Quake  StarCraft  Myst </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107924</id>
	<title>Re:Remove automatic updates from your slipstream</title>
	<author>ls671</author>
	<datestamp>1265895480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Remove automatic updates from your slipstream</p><p>I agree with the item above, but for the rest are you crazy ?</p><p>I wouldn't spend anytime fine tuning that much because Windows doesn't deserve so much attention<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p><p>I have to admit that I shutdown-set to manual startup-or disable a lot of services although. Apart from that, I never do any specific configuration (desktop/shortcut/task bar/etc.).</p><p>I use Windows to play games, edit MS-Documents and watch videos since I stopped installing video support (flash etc..) on my Linux machines. I also use my Windows box to login into Xvnc sessions running on my Linux hosts and this is where the most of the real work takes place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Remove automatic updates from your slipstreamI agree with the item above , but for the rest are you crazy ? I would n't spend anytime fine tuning that much because Windows does n't deserve so much attention ; - ) I have to admit that I shutdown-set to manual startup-or disable a lot of services although .
Apart from that , I never do any specific configuration ( desktop/shortcut/task bar/etc .
) .I use Windows to play games , edit MS-Documents and watch videos since I stopped installing video support ( flash etc.. ) on my Linux machines .
I also use my Windows box to login into Xvnc sessions running on my Linux hosts and this is where the most of the real work takes place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Remove automatic updates from your slipstreamI agree with the item above, but for the rest are you crazy ?I wouldn't spend anytime fine tuning that much because Windows doesn't deserve so much attention ;-)I have to admit that I shutdown-set to manual startup-or disable a lot of services although.
Apart from that, I never do any specific configuration (desktop/shortcut/task bar/etc.
).I use Windows to play games, edit MS-Documents and watch videos since I stopped installing video support (flash etc..) on my Linux machines.
I also use my Windows box to login into Xvnc sessions running on my Linux hosts and this is where the most of the real work takes place.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106638</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265889600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not like the hard drive is bad. Just use knoppix or something. You're pretty dumb for someone getting a PhD. Maybe this is just the gods way of sending you a message.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not like the hard drive is bad .
Just use knoppix or something .
You 're pretty dumb for someone getting a PhD .
Maybe this is just the gods way of sending you a message .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not like the hard drive is bad.
Just use knoppix or something.
You're pretty dumb for someone getting a PhD.
Maybe this is just the gods way of sending you a message.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106484</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110710</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky Me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265969400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mate, do yourself a favour and clone your windows partition (as it is now, good and healthy) to a image file.</p><p>When disaster strikes you can get back to your image to get it up working again.</p><p>Clonezilla (http://clonezilla.org/)  does this like here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA5JBgwdek8</p><p>Ghost also does the same thing..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mate , do yourself a favour and clone your windows partition ( as it is now , good and healthy ) to a image file.When disaster strikes you can get back to your image to get it up working again.Clonezilla ( http : //clonezilla.org/ ) does this like here : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = MA5JBgwdek8Ghost also does the same thing. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mate, do yourself a favour and clone your windows partition (as it is now, good and healthy) to a image file.When disaster strikes you can get back to your image to get it up working again.Clonezilla (http://clonezilla.org/)  does this like here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA5JBgwdek8Ghost also does the same thing..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108326</id>
	<title>Thanks MS for the stimulus!</title>
	<author>nmos</author>
	<datestamp>1265898180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In this economy I could use the extra $$.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In this economy I could use the extra $ $ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In this economy I could use the extra $$.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31112262</id>
	<title>On purpose to try and get you to upgrade...</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1265986620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this might be a ruse, only real techies know they can get out of it, the rest of them might think they have to upgrade to vista or 7 and do so. Nice one M$, I really hate that....I wonder if it was done on purpose...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this might be a ruse , only real techies know they can get out of it , the rest of them might think they have to upgrade to vista or 7 and do so .
Nice one M $ , I really hate that....I wonder if it was done on purpose.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this might be a ruse, only real techies know they can get out of it, the rest of them might think they have to upgrade to vista or 7 and do so.
Nice one M$, I really hate that....I wonder if it was done on purpose...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106954</id>
	<title>Re:Remove automatic updates from your slipstream</title>
	<author>buswolley</author>
	<datestamp>1265890920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Keep Pinball. I love that old game. Very well done, and might be the best Win software ever.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Keep Pinball .
I love that old game .
Very well done , and might be the best Win software ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Keep Pinball.
I love that old game.
Very well done, and might be the best Win software ever.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106456</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108550</id>
	<title>It's not a crash, it's a feature</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265899920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That blue screen you're seeing, they call it "Windows Azure."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That blue screen you 're seeing , they call it " Windows Azure .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That blue screen you're seeing, they call it "Windows Azure.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108248</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>Stormwatch</author>
	<datestamp>1265897640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>6) When done, re-format your hard drive and <b>install Linux.</b></p></div> </blockquote><p>
Fixed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>6 ) When done , re-format your hard drive and install Linux .
Fixed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>6) When done, re-format your hard drive and install Linux.
Fixed.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106770</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108234</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>ajlisows</author>
	<datestamp>1265897520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Go to a friend's computer"</p><p>Dude, this is Slashdot.  That should read something more like "Go to someone who isn't immediately repulsed by you" or something like that.</p><p>But seriously though, not as big of a deal as it sounds.  You are correct.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Go to a friend 's computer " Dude , this is Slashdot .
That should read something more like " Go to someone who is n't immediately repulsed by you " or something like that.But seriously though , not as big of a deal as it sounds .
You are correct .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Go to a friend's computer"Dude, this is Slashdot.
That should read something more like "Go to someone who isn't immediately repulsed by you" or something like that.But seriously though, not as big of a deal as it sounds.
You are correct.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106770</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107944</id>
	<title>Re:LOL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265895600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Things accomplished while not playing games:

<ul>
<li>Play guitar</li>
<li>Snowboarding</li>
<li>Breath fresh air</li>
<li>Dated</li><li>Have sex</li><li>Got married (sometimes have sex)</li><li>Became a father (twice)</li><li>Maintained a social life</li><li>Happy</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>Things accomplished while not playing games : Play guitar Snowboarding Breath fresh air DatedHave sexGot married ( sometimes have sex ) Became a father ( twice ) Maintained a social lifeHappy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Things accomplished while not playing games:


Play guitar
Snowboarding
Breath fresh air
DatedHave sexGot married (sometimes have sex)Became a father (twice)Maintained a social lifeHappy</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108812</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>steelfood</author>
	<datestamp>1265902440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But, you can expect an MS (or any other OS) to take appropriate actions to avoid patching a file that isn't exactly what is expected.</p></div><p>Not quite. It's very possible that the bad code is in a module that uses the patched module. The patch breaks a certain call, and the bad code crashes and burns, taking the whole system with it.</p><p>It's actually a pretty good way of getting people to clean their systems up. I say they should keep doing it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But , you can expect an MS ( or any other OS ) to take appropriate actions to avoid patching a file that is n't exactly what is expected.Not quite .
It 's very possible that the bad code is in a module that uses the patched module .
The patch breaks a certain call , and the bad code crashes and burns , taking the whole system with it.It 's actually a pretty good way of getting people to clean their systems up .
I say they should keep doing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But, you can expect an MS (or any other OS) to take appropriate actions to avoid patching a file that isn't exactly what is expected.Not quite.
It's very possible that the bad code is in a module that uses the patched module.
The patch breaks a certain call, and the bad code crashes and burns, taking the whole system with it.It's actually a pretty good way of getting people to clean their systems up.
I say they should keep doing it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106726</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108560</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>NatasRevol</author>
	<datestamp>1265900040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows is cheap if your time is worth nothing!</p><p>Depending on your install disc, amount of files &amp; apps to install, this could take up to a whole day!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows is cheap if your time is worth nothing ! Depending on your install disc , amount of files &amp; apps to install , this could take up to a whole day !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows is cheap if your time is worth nothing!Depending on your install disc, amount of files &amp; apps to install, this could take up to a whole day!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106770</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31109420</id>
	<title>I wish I'd read this a few hours earlier</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265908500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Around the time that this popped up, I'd just finished wiping my PC and installing Win7.</p><p>For the curious - my bluescreen wouldn't stay put, it flashed up for about 1/3 a second and then rebooted the machine. I tried a repair install with the same result. At that point, I figured it wasn't worth pursuing (I knew I had some remnants of a spyware infection left on that machine) and decided to just put Win7 on it.</p><p>Follow these steps:</p><p>1. Boot from your Windows XP CD or DVD and start the recovery console (see this Microsoft article for help with this step)</p><p>Once you are in the Repair Screen..</p><p>2. Type this command: CHDIR $NtUninstallKB977165$\spuninst</p><p>3. Type this command: BATCH spuninst.txt</p><p>4. Type this command: systemroot</p><p>When complete, type this command: exit</p><p>Your computer should restart and everything should be back to normal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Around the time that this popped up , I 'd just finished wiping my PC and installing Win7.For the curious - my bluescreen would n't stay put , it flashed up for about 1/3 a second and then rebooted the machine .
I tried a repair install with the same result .
At that point , I figured it was n't worth pursuing ( I knew I had some remnants of a spyware infection left on that machine ) and decided to just put Win7 on it.Follow these steps : 1 .
Boot from your Windows XP CD or DVD and start the recovery console ( see this Microsoft article for help with this step ) Once you are in the Repair Screen..2 .
Type this command : CHDIR $ NtUninstallKB977165 $ \ spuninst3 .
Type this command : BATCH spuninst.txt4 .
Type this command : systemrootWhen complete , type this command : exitYour computer should restart and everything should be back to normal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Around the time that this popped up, I'd just finished wiping my PC and installing Win7.For the curious - my bluescreen wouldn't stay put, it flashed up for about 1/3 a second and then rebooted the machine.
I tried a repair install with the same result.
At that point, I figured it wasn't worth pursuing (I knew I had some remnants of a spyware infection left on that machine) and decided to just put Win7 on it.Follow these steps:1.
Boot from your Windows XP CD or DVD and start the recovery console (see this Microsoft article for help with this step)Once you are in the Repair Screen..2.
Type this command: CHDIR $NtUninstallKB977165$\spuninst3.
Type this command: BATCH spuninst.txt4.
Type this command: systemrootWhen complete, type this command: exitYour computer should restart and everything should be back to normal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106714</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265889960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One extreme measure is to use software like Deep Freeze, coupled with an antivirus program. Maybe a good ad blocker firewall to prevent malicious ads from infecting one's machine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One extreme measure is to use software like Deep Freeze , coupled with an antivirus program .
Maybe a good ad blocker firewall to prevent malicious ads from infecting one 's machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One extreme measure is to use software like Deep Freeze, coupled with an antivirus program.
Maybe a good ad blocker firewall to prevent malicious ads from infecting one's machine.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106490</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110598</id>
	<title>Hmm...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265967960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The whole thing seems fishy if you ask me.  Likely a sly way to get all the non-computer-literate folks to upgrade from XP to say, Windows 7 (or Apple, if they learn their lesson the first time around).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The whole thing seems fishy if you ask me .
Likely a sly way to get all the non-computer-literate folks to upgrade from XP to say , Windows 7 ( or Apple , if they learn their lesson the first time around ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The whole thing seems fishy if you ask me.
Likely a sly way to get all the non-computer-literate folks to upgrade from XP to say, Windows 7 (or Apple, if they learn their lesson the first time around).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106710</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265889900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If it is true that only compromised computers blue screen then it's hard to fault Microsoft for their patch code choking when it stumbles across the exploit code.</i></p><p>It's pretty easy to fault them for not taking a checksum before they patch to ensure that the file isn't modified.  If it is, warn the user.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it is true that only compromised computers blue screen then it 's hard to fault Microsoft for their patch code choking when it stumbles across the exploit code.It 's pretty easy to fault them for not taking a checksum before they patch to ensure that the file is n't modified .
If it is , warn the user .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it is true that only compromised computers blue screen then it's hard to fault Microsoft for their patch code choking when it stumbles across the exploit code.It's pretty easy to fault them for not taking a checksum before they patch to ensure that the file isn't modified.
If it is, warn the user.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106490</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31109668</id>
	<title>No problems here ...</title>
	<author>cokegen</author>
	<datestamp>1265911380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know people could have many reasons for updating winxp but I found myself doing a TON of things without the need to update the machine at all for years. Just disable the automatic updates and update it manually if required.
Use another browser than IE and that's it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I don't even have an antivirus, I just have a virtual machine with xp and nod32 in case I need to test some files and that's it.

I never, never, NEVER have any problems.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know people could have many reasons for updating winxp but I found myself doing a TON of things without the need to update the machine at all for years .
Just disable the automatic updates and update it manually if required .
Use another browser than IE and that 's it ... I do n't even have an antivirus , I just have a virtual machine with xp and nod32 in case I need to test some files and that 's it .
I never , never , NEVER have any problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know people could have many reasons for updating winxp but I found myself doing a TON of things without the need to update the machine at all for years.
Just disable the automatic updates and update it manually if required.
Use another browser than IE and that's it ... I don't even have an antivirus, I just have a virtual machine with xp and nod32 in case I need to test some files and that's it.
I never, never, NEVER have any problems.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31122820</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265983140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or you could blame MS for shipping, since forever, completely insecure and broken 32-bit operating systems that are so easily pwned in the first place. If the file(s) weren't corrupted by malware the patch would work, therefore it makes sense to make file(s) more difficult to corrupt, yes? But they don't, and haven't, since at least Windows 95. If you don't have professional scars on your back from Win 95, remember how well Vista worked out?</p><p>If we can scream at Ford/Firestone or Toyota for shipping dangerous garbage while pretending there were no problems, the same logic applies to a huge software monopoly with enough money to build it right but which repeatedly refuses to produce software that is secure and that has high quality and reliability (which are not the same things).</p><p>In short, f*ck Microsoft. Once more they show that users are the unfortunate collateral damage of their rapacious profiteering and that MS doesn't care. If you think I'm making up how much MS doesn't care, or that I'm some sort of fanboy for another OS, I refer you to Bill Gates' testimony in federal court back in the late 1990s. His performance made MS look so bad that they hid Gates from view for months and then re-introduced him as Bill Gates V2.0: without a tie, with different glasses, and surrounded by children. They even got him married.</p><p>http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19981116&amp;slug=2783886</p><p>Boies asked, "Do you remember what you were thinking when you wrote that sentence or what you mean when you wrote that sentence?"</p><p>Gates: "No."</p><p>Boies: "Do you remember that in January 1996, a lot of (computer makers) were bundling non-Microsoft browsers?"</p><p>Gates: "I'm not sure."</p><p>Boies: "What were the non-Microsoft browsers that you were concerned about in January of 1996?"</p><p>Gates: "What's the question? You're trying to get me to recall what other browsers I was thinking about when I wrote that sentence?"</p><p>Boies: "No, because you've told me you don't know what you were thinking about when you wrote that sentence."</p><p>Gates: "Right."</p><p>Boies: "What I'm trying to do is get you to tell me what non-Microsoft browsers you were concerned about in January of 1996."</p><p>Gates: "If it had been only one, I probably would have used the name of it. Instead, I seem to be using the term non-Microsoft browsers."</p><p>Boies: "My question is what non-Microsoft browsers were you concerned about in January of 1996?"</p><p>Gates: "I'm sure - what's the question? Is it - are you asking me about when I wrote this e-mail or what are you asking me about?"</p><p>Boies: "I'm asking you about January of 1996."</p><p>Gates: "That month?"</p><p>Boies: "Yes, sir."</p><p>Gates: "And what about it?"</p><p>Boies: "What non-Microsoft browsers were you concerned about in January of 1996?"</p><p>Gates: "I don't know what you mean, `concerned.' "</p><p>Boies: "What is it about the word `concerned' that you don't understand?"</p><p>Gates: "I'm not sure what you mean by it."</p><p>And so on...</p><p>PS I'm submitting as AC because I work in a BIG Windows shop and don't need people beating me up about this anymore. In many ways it isn't helpful when everything you say comes true and all the money and time and data you said would be wasted or lost is wasted and lost: people start looking for ways to shut you up or make you disappear, and I like to eat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or you could blame MS for shipping , since forever , completely insecure and broken 32-bit operating systems that are so easily pwned in the first place .
If the file ( s ) were n't corrupted by malware the patch would work , therefore it makes sense to make file ( s ) more difficult to corrupt , yes ?
But they do n't , and have n't , since at least Windows 95 .
If you do n't have professional scars on your back from Win 95 , remember how well Vista worked out ? If we can scream at Ford/Firestone or Toyota for shipping dangerous garbage while pretending there were no problems , the same logic applies to a huge software monopoly with enough money to build it right but which repeatedly refuses to produce software that is secure and that has high quality and reliability ( which are not the same things ) .In short , f * ck Microsoft .
Once more they show that users are the unfortunate collateral damage of their rapacious profiteering and that MS does n't care .
If you think I 'm making up how much MS does n't care , or that I 'm some sort of fanboy for another OS , I refer you to Bill Gates ' testimony in federal court back in the late 1990s .
His performance made MS look so bad that they hid Gates from view for months and then re-introduced him as Bill Gates V2.0 : without a tie , with different glasses , and surrounded by children .
They even got him married.http : //community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/ ? date = 19981116&amp;slug = 2783886Boies asked , " Do you remember what you were thinking when you wrote that sentence or what you mean when you wrote that sentence ?
" Gates : " No .
" Boies : " Do you remember that in January 1996 , a lot of ( computer makers ) were bundling non-Microsoft browsers ?
" Gates : " I 'm not sure .
" Boies : " What were the non-Microsoft browsers that you were concerned about in January of 1996 ?
" Gates : " What 's the question ?
You 're trying to get me to recall what other browsers I was thinking about when I wrote that sentence ?
" Boies : " No , because you 've told me you do n't know what you were thinking about when you wrote that sentence .
" Gates : " Right .
" Boies : " What I 'm trying to do is get you to tell me what non-Microsoft browsers you were concerned about in January of 1996 .
" Gates : " If it had been only one , I probably would have used the name of it .
Instead , I seem to be using the term non-Microsoft browsers .
" Boies : " My question is what non-Microsoft browsers were you concerned about in January of 1996 ?
" Gates : " I 'm sure - what 's the question ?
Is it - are you asking me about when I wrote this e-mail or what are you asking me about ?
" Boies : " I 'm asking you about January of 1996 .
" Gates : " That month ?
" Boies : " Yes , sir .
" Gates : " And what about it ?
" Boies : " What non-Microsoft browsers were you concerned about in January of 1996 ?
" Gates : " I do n't know what you mean , ` concerned .
' " Boies : " What is it about the word ` concerned ' that you do n't understand ?
" Gates : " I 'm not sure what you mean by it .
" And so on...PS I 'm submitting as AC because I work in a BIG Windows shop and do n't need people beating me up about this anymore .
In many ways it is n't helpful when everything you say comes true and all the money and time and data you said would be wasted or lost is wasted and lost : people start looking for ways to shut you up or make you disappear , and I like to eat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or you could blame MS for shipping, since forever, completely insecure and broken 32-bit operating systems that are so easily pwned in the first place.
If the file(s) weren't corrupted by malware the patch would work, therefore it makes sense to make file(s) more difficult to corrupt, yes?
But they don't, and haven't, since at least Windows 95.
If you don't have professional scars on your back from Win 95, remember how well Vista worked out?If we can scream at Ford/Firestone or Toyota for shipping dangerous garbage while pretending there were no problems, the same logic applies to a huge software monopoly with enough money to build it right but which repeatedly refuses to produce software that is secure and that has high quality and reliability (which are not the same things).In short, f*ck Microsoft.
Once more they show that users are the unfortunate collateral damage of their rapacious profiteering and that MS doesn't care.
If you think I'm making up how much MS doesn't care, or that I'm some sort of fanboy for another OS, I refer you to Bill Gates' testimony in federal court back in the late 1990s.
His performance made MS look so bad that they hid Gates from view for months and then re-introduced him as Bill Gates V2.0: without a tie, with different glasses, and surrounded by children.
They even got him married.http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19981116&amp;slug=2783886Boies asked, "Do you remember what you were thinking when you wrote that sentence or what you mean when you wrote that sentence?
"Gates: "No.
"Boies: "Do you remember that in January 1996, a lot of (computer makers) were bundling non-Microsoft browsers?
"Gates: "I'm not sure.
"Boies: "What were the non-Microsoft browsers that you were concerned about in January of 1996?
"Gates: "What's the question?
You're trying to get me to recall what other browsers I was thinking about when I wrote that sentence?
"Boies: "No, because you've told me you don't know what you were thinking about when you wrote that sentence.
"Gates: "Right.
"Boies: "What I'm trying to do is get you to tell me what non-Microsoft browsers you were concerned about in January of 1996.
"Gates: "If it had been only one, I probably would have used the name of it.
Instead, I seem to be using the term non-Microsoft browsers.
"Boies: "My question is what non-Microsoft browsers were you concerned about in January of 1996?
"Gates: "I'm sure - what's the question?
Is it - are you asking me about when I wrote this e-mail or what are you asking me about?
"Boies: "I'm asking you about January of 1996.
"Gates: "That month?
"Boies: "Yes, sir.
"Gates: "And what about it?
"Boies: "What non-Microsoft browsers were you concerned about in January of 1996?
"Gates: "I don't know what you mean, `concerned.
' "Boies: "What is it about the word `concerned' that you don't understand?
"Gates: "I'm not sure what you mean by it.
"And so on...PS I'm submitting as AC because I work in a BIG Windows shop and don't need people beating me up about this anymore.
In many ways it isn't helpful when everything you say comes true and all the money and time and data you said would be wasted or lost is wasted and lost: people start looking for ways to shut you up or make you disappear, and I like to eat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31111542</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky Me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265980680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Man, you have a hard life.</p><p>Anyway,  I don't know all the incoveniences there may be, and maybe you've already considered this, but if you don't. I think you should think about having a redundant system.</p><p>Your main house processor seems to be that tablet. I suppose it's wirelessly connected, so if you had another one, exactly like that (with autoupdate disabled, of course), you could just boot up that when the other one stops working. I imagine you'd still need to phone someone to boot that backup computer, but it wouldn't have to be specialized help, and you could just maybe ask a neighbor, or something.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Man , you have a hard life.Anyway , I do n't know all the incoveniences there may be , and maybe you 've already considered this , but if you do n't .
I think you should think about having a redundant system.Your main house processor seems to be that tablet .
I suppose it 's wirelessly connected , so if you had another one , exactly like that ( with autoupdate disabled , of course ) , you could just boot up that when the other one stops working .
I imagine you 'd still need to phone someone to boot that backup computer , but it would n't have to be specialized help , and you could just maybe ask a neighbor , or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man, you have a hard life.Anyway,  I don't know all the incoveniences there may be, and maybe you've already considered this, but if you don't.
I think you should think about having a redundant system.Your main house processor seems to be that tablet.
I suppose it's wirelessly connected, so if you had another one, exactly like that (with autoupdate disabled, of course), you could just boot up that when the other one stops working.
I imagine you'd still need to phone someone to boot that backup computer, but it wouldn't have to be specialized help, and you could just maybe ask a neighbor, or something.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107510</id>
	<title>Who the fuck cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265893380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I haven't touched Windows for about 10 year, and I'm not planning on getting a job that requires me to. If anything goes wrong, I suppose I only should be happy. Less Windows losers to take care of.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't touched Windows for about 10 year , and I 'm not planning on getting a job that requires me to .
If anything goes wrong , I suppose I only should be happy .
Less Windows losers to take care of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't touched Windows for about 10 year, and I'm not planning on getting a job that requires me to.
If anything goes wrong, I suppose I only should be happy.
Less Windows losers to take care of.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107726</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>ashridah</author>
	<datestamp>1265894400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sanity checking in this case won't have been helpful if a separate process was making assumptions about offsets in the code in the dll, instead of looking up the appropriate symbol. you know, the kind of things that rootkits do to try and avoid detection?<br>I hardly think it's reasonable for a patch to scan every single file, including ones that don't come from microsoft at all, to look for things that might, possibly, be trying to call a method by directly referencing an offset in a dll via a backdoor mechanism.<br>Your TRWTF would only make sense if there were binary diffs involved, which have never been the case. The offset of a method moves, the only things that fail are things that aren't playing by the rules (read, malware, and the occasional idiotic 3rd party)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sanity checking in this case wo n't have been helpful if a separate process was making assumptions about offsets in the code in the dll , instead of looking up the appropriate symbol .
you know , the kind of things that rootkits do to try and avoid detection ? I hardly think it 's reasonable for a patch to scan every single file , including ones that do n't come from microsoft at all , to look for things that might , possibly , be trying to call a method by directly referencing an offset in a dll via a backdoor mechanism.Your TRWTF would only make sense if there were binary diffs involved , which have never been the case .
The offset of a method moves , the only things that fail are things that are n't playing by the rules ( read , malware , and the occasional idiotic 3rd party )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sanity checking in this case won't have been helpful if a separate process was making assumptions about offsets in the code in the dll, instead of looking up the appropriate symbol.
you know, the kind of things that rootkits do to try and avoid detection?I hardly think it's reasonable for a patch to scan every single file, including ones that don't come from microsoft at all, to look for things that might, possibly, be trying to call a method by directly referencing an offset in a dll via a backdoor mechanism.Your TRWTF would only make sense if there were binary diffs involved, which have never been the case.
The offset of a method moves, the only things that fail are things that aren't playing by the rules (read, malware, and the occasional idiotic 3rd party)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31109730</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265912280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Considering that the bug 1) requires the user to execute code and 2) uses the 16-bit DOS subsystem, I suspect very few people have been compromised, and it is just idiots trolling some stupid MS forum.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering that the bug 1 ) requires the user to execute code and 2 ) uses the 16-bit DOS subsystem , I suspect very few people have been compromised , and it is just idiots trolling some stupid MS forum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering that the bug 1) requires the user to execute code and 2) uses the 16-bit DOS subsystem, I suspect very few people have been compromised, and it is just idiots trolling some stupid MS forum.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108936</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky Me</title>
	<author>pz</author>
	<datestamp>1265903400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I am very careful to avoid viruses and other malware (always was when i was healthy and Win32 was only a secondary OS for me then). But to be stabbed in the back would be utterly devastating to me. It could be weeks before I could get qualified help (Nerd Herd, etc. need not apply).</p></div><p>I work in the field of prosthetics (although on the sensory, rather than motor side), so I am vitally aware of the importance of interfaces like the one you are using.</p><p>That said, since things like bad patches, viruses, trojans, hardware failures, and the like do happen, no matter how careful you might be, perhaps you should think about having a spare, secondary system, in case your primary system fails for some reason.  Also, it might be a good idea to implement some kind of automated backup system so that you can roll back to the previous known-good configuration if something goes wrong.  Unfortunately, I'm not qualified to make suggestions for how that might work with Windows XP, but the ideas aren't new, so there must already be a solution.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am very careful to avoid viruses and other malware ( always was when i was healthy and Win32 was only a secondary OS for me then ) .
But to be stabbed in the back would be utterly devastating to me .
It could be weeks before I could get qualified help ( Nerd Herd , etc .
need not apply ) .I work in the field of prosthetics ( although on the sensory , rather than motor side ) , so I am vitally aware of the importance of interfaces like the one you are using.That said , since things like bad patches , viruses , trojans , hardware failures , and the like do happen , no matter how careful you might be , perhaps you should think about having a spare , secondary system , in case your primary system fails for some reason .
Also , it might be a good idea to implement some kind of automated backup system so that you can roll back to the previous known-good configuration if something goes wrong .
Unfortunately , I 'm not qualified to make suggestions for how that might work with Windows XP , but the ideas are n't new , so there must already be a solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am very careful to avoid viruses and other malware (always was when i was healthy and Win32 was only a secondary OS for me then).
But to be stabbed in the back would be utterly devastating to me.
It could be weeks before I could get qualified help (Nerd Herd, etc.
need not apply).I work in the field of prosthetics (although on the sensory, rather than motor side), so I am vitally aware of the importance of interfaces like the one you are using.That said, since things like bad patches, viruses, trojans, hardware failures, and the like do happen, no matter how careful you might be, perhaps you should think about having a spare, secondary system, in case your primary system fails for some reason.
Also, it might be a good idea to implement some kind of automated backup system so that you can roll back to the previous known-good configuration if something goes wrong.
Unfortunately, I'm not qualified to make suggestions for how that might work with Windows XP, but the ideas aren't new, so there must already be a solution.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106484</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265889000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please don't joke about this. I have been affected, and at the worst possible time, too. I have to submit my PhD dissertation tomorrow, and I don't know what the fuck I'm supposed to do now.</p><p>I can't boot up, and I have one of those HP computers that has everything built into the screen, so I can't even take the hard drive out.</p><p>I CAN'T GET MY FUCKING PHD DISSERTATION. I AM SO FUCKED.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please do n't joke about this .
I have been affected , and at the worst possible time , too .
I have to submit my PhD dissertation tomorrow , and I do n't know what the fuck I 'm supposed to do now.I ca n't boot up , and I have one of those HP computers that has everything built into the screen , so I ca n't even take the hard drive out.I CA N'T GET MY FUCKING PHD DISSERTATION .
I AM SO FUCKED .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please don't joke about this.
I have been affected, and at the worst possible time, too.
I have to submit my PhD dissertation tomorrow, and I don't know what the fuck I'm supposed to do now.I can't boot up, and I have one of those HP computers that has everything built into the screen, so I can't even take the hard drive out.I CAN'T GET MY FUCKING PHD DISSERTATION.
I AM SO FUCKED.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110342</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>azenpunk</author>
	<datestamp>1266007380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someone heard that he liked to blue-screen while he booted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone heard that he liked to blue-screen while he booted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone heard that he liked to blue-screen while he booted.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31117386</id>
	<title>Re:I always wait for a while</title>
	<author>mikee805</author>
	<datestamp>1266008040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Last weekend I installed a computer for my cousin to use that is mother had sitting in a closet for years (It was windows XP sp2). I install all of the updates and one from 3 years ago put into a continuous reboot cycle. So even waiting a while does not mean the MS will fix a broken patch. The solution turned out to be boot to the recovery console and disable this service.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Last weekend I installed a computer for my cousin to use that is mother had sitting in a closet for years ( It was windows XP sp2 ) .
I install all of the updates and one from 3 years ago put into a continuous reboot cycle .
So even waiting a while does not mean the MS will fix a broken patch .
The solution turned out to be boot to the recovery console and disable this service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last weekend I installed a computer for my cousin to use that is mother had sitting in a closet for years (It was windows XP sp2).
I install all of the updates and one from 3 years ago put into a continuous reboot cycle.
So even waiting a while does not mean the MS will fix a broken patch.
The solution turned out to be boot to the recovery console and disable this service.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110276</id>
	<title>Re:Windows cannot start again. So?</title>
	<author>ShakaUVM</author>
	<datestamp>1266006120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;You say this like it's a *bad* thing...</p><p>Oddly enough, after I restarted after this patch, my *UPS* went out. High pitched shrill beeping and everything.</p><p>Could have been just a weird coincidence, but since my linux box is also running off the same UPS, then... yeah. Windows patches can take down linux boxes.</p><p>Fortunately my UPS has enough juice to power both machines with their monitors for at least 15 minutes, so I got everything shut down safely.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; You say this like it 's a * bad * thing...Oddly enough , after I restarted after this patch , my * UPS * went out .
High pitched shrill beeping and everything.Could have been just a weird coincidence , but since my linux box is also running off the same UPS , then... yeah. Windows patches can take down linux boxes.Fortunately my UPS has enough juice to power both machines with their monitors for at least 15 minutes , so I got everything shut down safely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;You say this like it's a *bad* thing...Oddly enough, after I restarted after this patch, my *UPS* went out.
High pitched shrill beeping and everything.Could have been just a weird coincidence, but since my linux box is also running off the same UPS, then... yeah. Windows patches can take down linux boxes.Fortunately my UPS has enough juice to power both machines with their monitors for at least 15 minutes, so I got everything shut down safely.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107558</id>
	<title>Legacy</title>
	<author>dandart</author>
	<datestamp>1265893620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait a minute, I remember those from back in the day! Hah, not fun.<br> <br>It still surprises me why people still use XP - a 9 year old system. Come on, people. Upgrade. To Ubuntu.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P
<br> <br>I have XP still (I'm forced by itunes) - but I'll probably chuck it out now, for I have no XP install disk and I don't want to update and have it dead, but I also don't want to not update and have it cracked. And I suggest all in my position do the same. Bye bye XP. I won't miss you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait a minute , I remember those from back in the day !
Hah , not fun .
It still surprises me why people still use XP - a 9 year old system .
Come on , people .
Upgrade. To Ubuntu .
: P I have XP still ( I 'm forced by itunes ) - but I 'll probably chuck it out now , for I have no XP install disk and I do n't want to update and have it dead , but I also do n't want to not update and have it cracked .
And I suggest all in my position do the same .
Bye bye XP .
I wo n't miss you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait a minute, I remember those from back in the day!
Hah, not fun.
It still surprises me why people still use XP - a 9 year old system.
Come on, people.
Upgrade. To Ubuntu.
:P
 I have XP still (I'm forced by itunes) - but I'll probably chuck it out now, for I have no XP install disk and I don't want to update and have it dead, but I also don't want to not update and have it cracked.
And I suggest all in my position do the same.
Bye bye XP.
I won't miss you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31111416</id>
	<title>yo dawg</title>
	<author>edittard</author>
	<datestamp>1265979240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> I updated 11 Windows XP updates today</p></div> </blockquote><p>I herd u like updating, so I updated your updates so you can update while ur updating.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I updated 11 Windows XP updates today I herd u like updating , so I updated your updates so you can update while ur updating .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I updated 11 Windows XP updates today I herd u like updating, so I updated your updates so you can update while ur updating.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108522</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>smitty97</author>
	<datestamp>1265899680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>#10 install updates..</p><p>#11 go to step 2</p></htmltext>
<tokenext># 10 install updates.. # 11 go to step 2</tokentext>
<sentencetext>#10 install updates..#11 go to step 2</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110262</id>
	<title>it's just to tell people to buy Seven</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266005880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft want to be ride of XP and what is the best way to do it? Break it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft want to be ride of XP and what is the best way to do it ?
Break it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft want to be ride of XP and what is the best way to do it?
Break it!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110660</id>
	<title>Fdisk from orbit - only way to be sure</title>
	<author>dbIII</author>
	<datestamp>1265968620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It astounds me utterly that people continue to use machines that they know have been compromised after they just remove the most obvious of the damage, or even without doing anything at all.  Somebody else had complete control and they still type credit card numbers on the things.<br>So put this down as a "me too" post - wiping the lot and starting again is the only real way to fix it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It astounds me utterly that people continue to use machines that they know have been compromised after they just remove the most obvious of the damage , or even without doing anything at all .
Somebody else had complete control and they still type credit card numbers on the things.So put this down as a " me too " post - wiping the lot and starting again is the only real way to fix it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It astounds me utterly that people continue to use machines that they know have been compromised after they just remove the most obvious of the damage, or even without doing anything at all.
Somebody else had complete control and they still type credit card numbers on the things.So put this down as a "me too" post - wiping the lot and starting again is the only real way to fix it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31109408</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>Hecatonchires</author>
	<datestamp>1265908440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No linux user has ever needed latex.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No linux user has ever needed latex .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No linux user has ever needed latex.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106596</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31109554</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky Me</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1265910240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Almost every system built to assist communication for people like me are built on top of WinXP. </i></p><p>Does the hardware give you any rudimentary control over the BIOS-level startup?  I'm wondering if a second install with a bootloader to chose the backup wouldn't be some cheap insurance for you.</p><p>WinXP goes final EOL in early 2014 - so hopefully the vendors are working on some new drivers for you.  It sounds like it could take a couple years to get the specialized IT out to all the users.</p><p>How does the hardware interface with the OS?  Does it emulate a keyboard and mouse or a digitizer?  There are those kernel developers who are running the 'do you need a driver written?' campaign if the vendor is Open.  GNOME has pretty decent assistive technologies, from what I've heard, but you're in need of the device driver.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Almost every system built to assist communication for people like me are built on top of WinXP .
Does the hardware give you any rudimentary control over the BIOS-level startup ?
I 'm wondering if a second install with a bootloader to chose the backup would n't be some cheap insurance for you.WinXP goes final EOL in early 2014 - so hopefully the vendors are working on some new drivers for you .
It sounds like it could take a couple years to get the specialized IT out to all the users.How does the hardware interface with the OS ?
Does it emulate a keyboard and mouse or a digitizer ?
There are those kernel developers who are running the 'do you need a driver written ?
' campaign if the vendor is Open .
GNOME has pretty decent assistive technologies , from what I 've heard , but you 're in need of the device driver .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Almost every system built to assist communication for people like me are built on top of WinXP.
Does the hardware give you any rudimentary control over the BIOS-level startup?
I'm wondering if a second install with a bootloader to chose the backup wouldn't be some cheap insurance for you.WinXP goes final EOL in early 2014 - so hopefully the vendors are working on some new drivers for you.
It sounds like it could take a couple years to get the specialized IT out to all the users.How does the hardware interface with the OS?
Does it emulate a keyboard and mouse or a digitizer?
There are those kernel developers who are running the 'do you need a driver written?
' campaign if the vendor is Open.
GNOME has pretty decent assistive technologies, from what I've heard, but you're in need of the device driver.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107188</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108340</id>
	<title>this is a pretty big if</title>
	<author>YesIAmAScript</author>
	<datestamp>1265898240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As you may have read elsewhere, MS doesn't use context or offset diffs. They just replace files. So the case you speak of is unlikely.</p><p>The most likely case is that people who are having the problem have a foreign DLL in their system that calls directly into an offset into this DLL without version checking it. This DLL does so because it's a rootkit, and it wants to fly under the radar. When you change this DLL that other DLL is now calling into invalid code.</p><p>But the problem here is this other DLL is bad. It isn't a problem in MS' DLL at all. And how is MS to prevent this, are they to somehow figure out every other DLL in your system that could try to call into this DLL using surreptitious means?</p><p>MS didn't know this rootkit existed, or if they knew, they didn't test with it. That's about as far as I can blame them without any more info.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As you may have read elsewhere , MS does n't use context or offset diffs .
They just replace files .
So the case you speak of is unlikely.The most likely case is that people who are having the problem have a foreign DLL in their system that calls directly into an offset into this DLL without version checking it .
This DLL does so because it 's a rootkit , and it wants to fly under the radar .
When you change this DLL that other DLL is now calling into invalid code.But the problem here is this other DLL is bad .
It is n't a problem in MS ' DLL at all .
And how is MS to prevent this , are they to somehow figure out every other DLL in your system that could try to call into this DLL using surreptitious means ? MS did n't know this rootkit existed , or if they knew , they did n't test with it .
That 's about as far as I can blame them without any more info .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As you may have read elsewhere, MS doesn't use context or offset diffs.
They just replace files.
So the case you speak of is unlikely.The most likely case is that people who are having the problem have a foreign DLL in their system that calls directly into an offset into this DLL without version checking it.
This DLL does so because it's a rootkit, and it wants to fly under the radar.
When you change this DLL that other DLL is now calling into invalid code.But the problem here is this other DLL is bad.
It isn't a problem in MS' DLL at all.
And how is MS to prevent this, are they to somehow figure out every other DLL in your system that could try to call into this DLL using surreptitious means?MS didn't know this rootkit existed, or if they knew, they didn't test with it.
That's about as far as I can blame them without any more info.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106726</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108868</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1265902860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
What about a majors attending the college of:  Parties, Beer, and Women  studies?
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about a majors attending the college of : Parties , Beer , and Women studies ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
What about a majors attending the college of:  Parties, Beer, and Women  studies?
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106758</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107644</id>
	<title>Re:I always wait for a while</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265894040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My rule of thumb is to only install updates once per year, on a Friday before a dull weekend, so that I can spend the rest of the weekend fixing corrupted profiles, registry errors, and driver failures that the patches cause.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My rule of thumb is to only install updates once per year , on a Friday before a dull weekend , so that I can spend the rest of the weekend fixing corrupted profiles , registry errors , and driver failures that the patches cause .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My rule of thumb is to only install updates once per year, on a Friday before a dull weekend, so that I can spend the rest of the weekend fixing corrupted profiles, registry errors, and driver failures that the patches cause.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106898</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31116596</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266004440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>...because exploits have never been known to intercept the file read and report back the contents of the original file which is stored elsewhere.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...because exploits have never been known to intercept the file read and report back the contents of the original file which is stored elsewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...because exploits have never been known to intercept the file read and report back the contents of the original file which is stored elsewhere.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106710</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108456</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>groslyunderpaid</author>
	<datestamp>1265899200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Assuming you aren't trying to be funny, what you are looking for is going to be (usually) C:\Documents and Settings\<i>username</i> <br> <br>
It is somewhat similar to a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home directory. I won't define "somewhat" at this juncture, but suffice it to say that directory will (again, usually) contain everything on the desktop, the "my documents" folder, IE favorites, and some application settings, among other things.<br> <br>
Oh, and that structure is only good for win2k and winxp. And maybe win2k3. The alternative shortcut is \%userprofile\%<br> <br>
On vista/7/win2k8, I think it's C:\Users\<i>username</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Assuming you are n't trying to be funny , what you are looking for is going to be ( usually ) C : \ Documents and Settings \ username It is somewhat similar to a /home directory .
I wo n't define " somewhat " at this juncture , but suffice it to say that directory will ( again , usually ) contain everything on the desktop , the " my documents " folder , IE favorites , and some application settings , among other things .
Oh , and that structure is only good for win2k and winxp .
And maybe win2k3 .
The alternative shortcut is \ % userprofile \ % On vista/7/win2k8 , I think it 's C : \ Users \ username</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Assuming you aren't trying to be funny, what you are looking for is going to be (usually) C:\Documents and Settings\username  
It is somewhat similar to a /home directory.
I won't define "somewhat" at this juncture, but suffice it to say that directory will (again, usually) contain everything on the desktop, the "my documents" folder, IE favorites, and some application settings, among other things.
Oh, and that structure is only good for win2k and winxp.
And maybe win2k3.
The alternative shortcut is \%userprofile\% 
On vista/7/win2k8, I think it's C:\Users\username</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107706</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31126286</id>
	<title>Not if you said NO to Genuine Advantage?</title>
	<author>flaptrap</author>
	<datestamp>1266070200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No problems here - but I declined to let Microsoft take "Advantage" of me.  Three XP machines...where did that Vista sticker go - it came with this laptop running Linux.</p><p>If accepting WIndows Genuine Advantage leads to the Blue Screen of Death...I would say it's time for another class action lawsuit!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No problems here - but I declined to let Microsoft take " Advantage " of me .
Three XP machines...where did that Vista sticker go - it came with this laptop running Linux.If accepting WIndows Genuine Advantage leads to the Blue Screen of Death...I would say it 's time for another class action lawsuit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No problems here - but I declined to let Microsoft take "Advantage" of me.
Three XP machines...where did that Vista sticker go - it came with this laptop running Linux.If accepting WIndows Genuine Advantage leads to the Blue Screen of Death...I would say it's time for another class action lawsuit!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31109108</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>westyvw</author>
	<datestamp>1265904960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Corrected again:</p><p>Install a rolling Linux distro and live problem free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Corrected again : Install a rolling Linux distro and live problem free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Corrected again:Install a rolling Linux distro and live problem free.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106926</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31111024</id>
	<title>Another trick to promote migration to Win7</title>
	<author>SharpFang</author>
	<datestamp>1265974140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>/tinfoilhat</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>/tinfoilhat</tokentext>
<sentencetext>/tinfoilhat</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31113872</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>FredFredrickson</author>
	<datestamp>1265993940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"Go to a friend's computer"</p><p>Dude, this is Slashdot.  That should read something more like "Go to someone who isn't immediately repulsed by you" or something like that.</p><p>But seriously though, not as big of a deal as it sounds.  You are correct.</p></div><p>Dude, this is slashdot. Go to one of your other computers. You should have 4 or 5 in your basement currently. <br> <br>or, you know, turn in that card that you've got. You know, the geek one..</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Go to a friend 's computer " Dude , this is Slashdot .
That should read something more like " Go to someone who is n't immediately repulsed by you " or something like that.But seriously though , not as big of a deal as it sounds .
You are correct.Dude , this is slashdot .
Go to one of your other computers .
You should have 4 or 5 in your basement currently .
or , you know , turn in that card that you 've got .
You know , the geek one. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Go to a friend's computer"Dude, this is Slashdot.
That should read something more like "Go to someone who isn't immediately repulsed by you" or something like that.But seriously though, not as big of a deal as it sounds.
You are correct.Dude, this is slashdot.
Go to one of your other computers.
You should have 4 or 5 in your basement currently.
or, you know, turn in that card that you've got.
You know, the geek one..
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108234</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31114642</id>
	<title>Re:LOL</title>
	<author>Ltap</author>
	<datestamp>1265996760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is dick-waving, plain and simple. If someone has fun playing games, then they should play games, not feel guilty because of an absurd artificial obligation to fulfil some kind of imaginary "checklist for life".</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is dick-waving , plain and simple .
If someone has fun playing games , then they should play games , not feel guilty because of an absurd artificial obligation to fulfil some kind of imaginary " checklist for life " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is dick-waving, plain and simple.
If someone has fun playing games, then they should play games, not feel guilty because of an absurd artificial obligation to fulfil some kind of imaginary "checklist for life".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107944</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107314</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265892360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>If it is true that only compromised computers blue screen then it's hard to fault Microsoft for their patch code choking when it stumbles across the exploit code.</i> </p><p>It's pretty easy to fault them for not taking a checksum before they patch to ensure that the file isn't modified.  If it is, warn the user.</p></div><p>Microsoft patches are file-level, not delta-patches. They always overwrite complete files, and never try to modify files in-place.</p><p>That's why their patches are so huge, if there's a systematic error in many related files, then they all need to be replaced in their entirety.</p><p>It's a waste of bandwidth, but it's much more reliable.</p><p>I suspect what happened here is that Microsoft replaced one of two related files, but the other file was modified by the root-kit, and the mixed versions don't work together any more.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it is true that only compromised computers blue screen then it 's hard to fault Microsoft for their patch code choking when it stumbles across the exploit code .
It 's pretty easy to fault them for not taking a checksum before they patch to ensure that the file is n't modified .
If it is , warn the user.Microsoft patches are file-level , not delta-patches .
They always overwrite complete files , and never try to modify files in-place.That 's why their patches are so huge , if there 's a systematic error in many related files , then they all need to be replaced in their entirety.It 's a waste of bandwidth , but it 's much more reliable.I suspect what happened here is that Microsoft replaced one of two related files , but the other file was modified by the root-kit , and the mixed versions do n't work together any more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> If it is true that only compromised computers blue screen then it's hard to fault Microsoft for their patch code choking when it stumbles across the exploit code.
It's pretty easy to fault them for not taking a checksum before they patch to ensure that the file isn't modified.
If it is, warn the user.Microsoft patches are file-level, not delta-patches.
They always overwrite complete files, and never try to modify files in-place.That's why their patches are so huge, if there's a systematic error in many related files, then they all need to be replaced in their entirety.It's a waste of bandwidth, but it's much more reliable.I suspect what happened here is that Microsoft replaced one of two related files, but the other file was modified by the root-kit, and the mixed versions don't work together any more.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106710</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107238</id>
	<title>Re:Remove automatic updates from your slipstream</title>
	<author>jo42</author>
	<datestamp>1265892000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a long and complicated way to do a Format C: and leave the drive blank...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a long and complicated way to do a Format C : and leave the drive blank.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a long and complicated way to do a Format C: and leave the drive blank...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106456</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107168</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>TheThiefMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1265891760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The patch is probably not to the same files as the exploit, but one uses the other.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The patch is probably not to the same files as the exploit , but one uses the other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The patch is probably not to the same files as the exploit, but one uses the other.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106490</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107008</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1265891100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You updated your updates?</p></div><p>Its a real mark of how comitted MS is to security that they update their updates to their updates, and all require restarts.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You updated your updates ? Its a real mark of how comitted MS is to security that they update their updates to their updates , and all require restarts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You updated your updates?Its a real mark of how comitted MS is to security that they update their updates to their updates, and all require restarts.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106486</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110134</id>
	<title>Re:Remove automatic updates from your slipstream</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265917800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is there any program that will remove all this stuff for you? It seems like it would take a lot of time to do it by hand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there any program that will remove all this stuff for you ?
It seems like it would take a lot of time to do it by hand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there any program that will remove all this stuff for you?
It seems like it would take a lot of time to do it by hand.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106456</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106774</id>
	<title>The memo making the rounds at Redmond</title>
	<author>Provocateur</author>
	<datestamp>1265890200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...indicates that this *was* after all, the nostalgia patch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...indicates that this * was * after all , the nostalgia patch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...indicates that this *was* after all, the nostalgia patch.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107778</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>Myria</author>
	<datestamp>1265894700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The fix for the KiTrap0D V86 bug was really simple and straightforward.  The below explanation is for XP, but it's likely similar for all versions.</p><p>A previously unused byte field, <a href="http://www.msuiche.net/msdn/winxpsp3\_x86/KTHREAD.php" title="msuiche.net">KTHREAD::Spare0[0]</a> [msuiche.net], has been repurposed as a flag indicating whether a call out to the PC (or VGA) BIOS is in progress on that thread in V86 mode.  V86 mode in 32-bit NT is used not just to emulate DOS programs, but also to make calls to the PC and VGA BIOS for things like setting the video mode.  Of course, these calls to the BIOS are privileged while virtualized DOS programs are not.  The security hole was that the general protection fault handler for V86 mode (part of KiTrap0D) did not properly distinguish between faults coming from BIOS calls and faults coming from virtual DOS programs.</p><p>The new flag is set by Ki386SetupAndExitToV86Code, which is called by Ke386CallBios, when the kernel is attempting to do a BIOS call.  KiTrap0D now only allows the BIOS return call mechanism, which led to the privileged escalation, to be called when that flag is set.</p><p>If this change causes people's computers to crash, it probably means that there is kernel code that calls the BIOS in some way than the usual way, and Microsoft didn't account for that.  Such code could be part of the kernel, supporting drivers, or third-party device drivers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fix for the KiTrap0D V86 bug was really simple and straightforward .
The below explanation is for XP , but it 's likely similar for all versions.A previously unused byte field , KTHREAD : : Spare0 [ 0 ] [ msuiche.net ] , has been repurposed as a flag indicating whether a call out to the PC ( or VGA ) BIOS is in progress on that thread in V86 mode .
V86 mode in 32-bit NT is used not just to emulate DOS programs , but also to make calls to the PC and VGA BIOS for things like setting the video mode .
Of course , these calls to the BIOS are privileged while virtualized DOS programs are not .
The security hole was that the general protection fault handler for V86 mode ( part of KiTrap0D ) did not properly distinguish between faults coming from BIOS calls and faults coming from virtual DOS programs.The new flag is set by Ki386SetupAndExitToV86Code , which is called by Ke386CallBios , when the kernel is attempting to do a BIOS call .
KiTrap0D now only allows the BIOS return call mechanism , which led to the privileged escalation , to be called when that flag is set.If this change causes people 's computers to crash , it probably means that there is kernel code that calls the BIOS in some way than the usual way , and Microsoft did n't account for that .
Such code could be part of the kernel , supporting drivers , or third-party device drivers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fix for the KiTrap0D V86 bug was really simple and straightforward.
The below explanation is for XP, but it's likely similar for all versions.A previously unused byte field, KTHREAD::Spare0[0] [msuiche.net], has been repurposed as a flag indicating whether a call out to the PC (or VGA) BIOS is in progress on that thread in V86 mode.
V86 mode in 32-bit NT is used not just to emulate DOS programs, but also to make calls to the PC and VGA BIOS for things like setting the video mode.
Of course, these calls to the BIOS are privileged while virtualized DOS programs are not.
The security hole was that the general protection fault handler for V86 mode (part of KiTrap0D) did not properly distinguish between faults coming from BIOS calls and faults coming from virtual DOS programs.The new flag is set by Ki386SetupAndExitToV86Code, which is called by Ke386CallBios, when the kernel is attempting to do a BIOS call.
KiTrap0D now only allows the BIOS return call mechanism, which led to the privileged escalation, to be called when that flag is set.If this change causes people's computers to crash, it probably means that there is kernel code that calls the BIOS in some way than the usual way, and Microsoft didn't account for that.
Such code could be part of the kernel, supporting drivers, or third-party device drivers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31109950</id>
	<title>In case this helps anyone else</title>
	<author>exphose</author>
	<datestamp>1265914800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We found this to be a problem when running old ATI drivers on a FireGL card, had to uninstall the drivers and install new versions, then the patch would stop bluescreening.

ati2mtag.sys was the culprit in the minidumps I looked at, FWIW.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We found this to be a problem when running old ATI drivers on a FireGL card , had to uninstall the drivers and install new versions , then the patch would stop bluescreening .
ati2mtag.sys was the culprit in the minidumps I looked at , FWIW .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We found this to be a problem when running old ATI drivers on a FireGL card, had to uninstall the drivers and install new versions, then the patch would stop bluescreening.
ati2mtag.sys was the culprit in the minidumps I looked at, FWIW.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106968</id>
	<title>Re:Not the solution</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1265890980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That solution shouldn't really cause any additional problems, I imagine it was unmarked because it is overzealous, uninstalling all of the updates instead of a single update (presumably the problem is related to a single update).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That solution should n't really cause any additional problems , I imagine it was unmarked because it is overzealous , uninstalling all of the updates instead of a single update ( presumably the problem is related to a single update ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That solution shouldn't really cause any additional problems, I imagine it was unmarked because it is overzealous, uninstalling all of the updates instead of a single update (presumably the problem is related to a single update).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108312</id>
	<title>Meanwhile at Microsoft...</title>
	<author>BlueScreenOfTOM</author>
	<datestamp>1265898060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Upon hearing the news of the botched update problem, Steve Ballmer pulled out his trusty Netbook while on the road to begin sending denial responses to the many complaints about the issue that had made their way to his mailbox.  Naturally, his Netbook was set to the Windows XP default of "Download and install updates automatically" because his own trusted baby Microsoft told him it was best.  Little did he know, before his last shutdown, the botched updated had downloaded and installed, and Mr. Ballmer was greeted with the famed Blue Screen he was just preparing to deny.
<br>
<br>
158 men, women and children died that day.  They were found scattered through the halls of Ballmer's hotel, with but a single bloody chair wedged into a corner wall.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Upon hearing the news of the botched update problem , Steve Ballmer pulled out his trusty Netbook while on the road to begin sending denial responses to the many complaints about the issue that had made their way to his mailbox .
Naturally , his Netbook was set to the Windows XP default of " Download and install updates automatically " because his own trusted baby Microsoft told him it was best .
Little did he know , before his last shutdown , the botched updated had downloaded and installed , and Mr. Ballmer was greeted with the famed Blue Screen he was just preparing to deny .
158 men , women and children died that day .
They were found scattered through the halls of Ballmer 's hotel , with but a single bloody chair wedged into a corner wall .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Upon hearing the news of the botched update problem, Steve Ballmer pulled out his trusty Netbook while on the road to begin sending denial responses to the many complaints about the issue that had made their way to his mailbox.
Naturally, his Netbook was set to the Windows XP default of "Download and install updates automatically" because his own trusted baby Microsoft told him it was best.
Little did he know, before his last shutdown, the botched updated had downloaded and installed, and Mr. Ballmer was greeted with the famed Blue Screen he was just preparing to deny.
158 men, women and children died that day.
They were found scattered through the halls of Ballmer's hotel, with but a single bloody chair wedged into a corner wall.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110884</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265971860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You can't really blame MS for a crash that happens because the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.DLLs/code on someone's machine has been modified by a malicious 3rd party.</p></div><p>This is slashdot, yes you can!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't really blame MS for a crash that happens because the .DLLs/code on someone 's machine has been modified by a malicious 3rd party.This is slashdot , yes you can !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't really blame MS for a crash that happens because the .DLLs/code on someone's machine has been modified by a malicious 3rd party.This is slashdot, yes you can!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108404</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>Z34107</author>
	<datestamp>1265898840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A handy guide:</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr><tt>/export/home</tt>  =&gt; <tt>c:\users</tt> on Vista or <tt>c:\documents and settings</tt> on XP.</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr><tt>/usr</tt> =&gt; <tt>c:\program files</tt> </p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr><tt>/dev</tt> =&gt; Roughly equivalent to <tt> <a href="http://support.microsoft.com/kb/100027" title="microsoft.com">\\.\PhysicalDriveN</a> [microsoft.com] </tt> or <tt>\Device\blargh</tt> </p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr><tt>/etc</tt> =&gt; VERY roughly equivalent to <tt>c:\windows\system32</tt> </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A handy guide : /export/home = &gt; c : \ users on Vista or c : \ documents and settings on XP .
/usr = &gt; c : \ program files /dev = &gt; Roughly equivalent to \ \ . \ PhysicalDriveN [ microsoft.com ] or \ Device \ blargh /etc = &gt; VERY roughly equivalent to c : \ windows \ system32</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A handy guide: /export/home  =&gt; c:\users on Vista or c:\documents and settings on XP.
/usr =&gt; c:\program files  /dev =&gt; Roughly equivalent to  \\.\PhysicalDriveN [microsoft.com]  or \Device\blargh  /etc =&gt; VERY roughly equivalent to c:\windows\system32 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107706</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>cayenne8</author>
	<datestamp>1265894280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"5) Copy ALL important files to the USB drive (probably safest to copy your entire user directory, if your USB drive is big enough."</i> <p>
You lost me here.....windows has the equivalent of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home directories??</p><p>
I don't use windows that much, but I've not seen that on any of the few windows boxes I've used before...I do tend to set up folders for things on the directory tree for different things (downloads, recipes, projects with subfolders under them for documents, designs...etc..). I could find all my stuff as I do try to organize it...but the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home paradigm on windows I've not seen...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" 5 ) Copy ALL important files to the USB drive ( probably safest to copy your entire user directory , if your USB drive is big enough .
" You lost me here.....windows has the equivalent of /home directories ? ?
I do n't use windows that much , but I 've not seen that on any of the few windows boxes I 've used before...I do tend to set up folders for things on the directory tree for different things ( downloads , recipes , projects with subfolders under them for documents , designs...etc.. ) .
I could find all my stuff as I do try to organize it...but the /home paradigm on windows I 've not seen.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"5) Copy ALL important files to the USB drive (probably safest to copy your entire user directory, if your USB drive is big enough.
" 
You lost me here.....windows has the equivalent of /home directories??
I don't use windows that much, but I've not seen that on any of the few windows boxes I've used before...I do tend to set up folders for things on the directory tree for different things (downloads, recipes, projects with subfolders under them for documents, designs...etc..).
I could find all my stuff as I do try to organize it...but the /home paradigm on windows I've not seen...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31111746</id>
	<title>Re:I always wait for a while</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265982960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>What a coincidence! I do the same with Gentoo.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What a coincidence !
I do the same with Gentoo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a coincidence!
I do the same with Gentoo.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107012</id>
	<title>A quick fix</title>
	<author>Bloom Berg</author>
	<datestamp>1265891100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>from <a href="http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/02/security-patch-results-in-bsod-stops-windows-from-booting.ars" title="arstechnica.com" rel="nofollow">ars</a> [arstechnica.com]:


Users in the thread have tracked down a fix, though it requires using a copy of the Windows disc (or for netbook users without an optical drive, a bootable USB drive with Windows on it):

Boot from your Windows XP CD or DVD and start the recovery console (see KB307654 for help with this step)
Type this command: CHDIR $NtUninstallKB977165 $\spuninst
Type this command: BATCH spuninst.txt
Type this command: systemroot

Good luck.
When complete, type this command: exit</htmltext>
<tokenext>from ars [ arstechnica.com ] : Users in the thread have tracked down a fix , though it requires using a copy of the Windows disc ( or for netbook users without an optical drive , a bootable USB drive with Windows on it ) : Boot from your Windows XP CD or DVD and start the recovery console ( see KB307654 for help with this step ) Type this command : CHDIR $ NtUninstallKB977165 $ \ spuninst Type this command : BATCH spuninst.txt Type this command : systemroot Good luck .
When complete , type this command : exit</tokentext>
<sentencetext>from ars [arstechnica.com]:


Users in the thread have tracked down a fix, though it requires using a copy of the Windows disc (or for netbook users without an optical drive, a bootable USB drive with Windows on it):

Boot from your Windows XP CD or DVD and start the recovery console (see KB307654 for help with this step)
Type this command: CHDIR $NtUninstallKB977165 $\spuninst
Type this command: BATCH spuninst.txt
Type this command: systemroot

Good luck.
When complete, type this command: exit</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108438</id>
	<title>Re:A quick fix</title>
	<author>TheQuantumShift</author>
	<datestamp>1265899140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Except you have to have the recovery console <a href="http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307654" title="microsoft.com">installed first</a> [microsoft.com]... And the instructions are to install from the CD (before your OS BSOD's of course) which most users don't have, and if anything like my last 3 systems (HP, Acer, Lenovo), attempting to access the recovery partition where those files might be results in explorer.exe crashing.
<br> <br>
Time to boot onto a <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download" title="ubuntu.com">live CD</a> [ubuntu.com], copy important files onto usb stick or nas and decide if you really want to reinstall windows so you can have the privilege of doing it all again next patch tuesday.
<br> <br>
You're already booted to the live CD and there's an icon right there that says "Install"...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except you have to have the recovery console installed first [ microsoft.com ] ... And the instructions are to install from the CD ( before your OS BSOD 's of course ) which most users do n't have , and if anything like my last 3 systems ( HP , Acer , Lenovo ) , attempting to access the recovery partition where those files might be results in explorer.exe crashing .
Time to boot onto a live CD [ ubuntu.com ] , copy important files onto usb stick or nas and decide if you really want to reinstall windows so you can have the privilege of doing it all again next patch tuesday .
You 're already booted to the live CD and there 's an icon right there that says " Install " .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except you have to have the recovery console installed first [microsoft.com]... And the instructions are to install from the CD (before your OS BSOD's of course) which most users don't have, and if anything like my last 3 systems (HP, Acer, Lenovo), attempting to access the recovery partition where those files might be results in explorer.exe crashing.
Time to boot onto a live CD [ubuntu.com], copy important files onto usb stick or nas and decide if you really want to reinstall windows so you can have the privilege of doing it all again next patch tuesday.
You're already booted to the live CD and there's an icon right there that says "Install"...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31109430</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky Me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265908740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I feel for you. A few years back I visited a friend who has ALS and a really bad smoking habit. I could see him burning down everything around him with his gradual loss of motor control so I wrote a simple batch script to summon emergency help in such a scenario that if he could dial 911, and put his cell to his computer speaker, would tell a 911 operator that there was an emergency at such and such location and that the caller was an automated response message.<br>Pretty simple and quick and I wrote it in just a few hours without ever writing an batch script before but it worked for what it was.<br>After that, I looked for ways to do this or expand on it in Linux-land and was very disappointed.<br>In this situation I'd say use what works.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I feel for you .
A few years back I visited a friend who has ALS and a really bad smoking habit .
I could see him burning down everything around him with his gradual loss of motor control so I wrote a simple batch script to summon emergency help in such a scenario that if he could dial 911 , and put his cell to his computer speaker , would tell a 911 operator that there was an emergency at such and such location and that the caller was an automated response message.Pretty simple and quick and I wrote it in just a few hours without ever writing an batch script before but it worked for what it was.After that , I looked for ways to do this or expand on it in Linux-land and was very disappointed.In this situation I 'd say use what works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I feel for you.
A few years back I visited a friend who has ALS and a really bad smoking habit.
I could see him burning down everything around him with his gradual loss of motor control so I wrote a simple batch script to summon emergency help in such a scenario that if he could dial 911, and put his cell to his computer speaker, would tell a 911 operator that there was an emergency at such and such location and that the caller was an automated response message.Pretty simple and quick and I wrote it in just a few hours without ever writing an batch script before but it worked for what it was.After that, I looked for ways to do this or expand on it in Linux-land and was very disappointed.In this situation I'd say use what works.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107458</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>initialE</author>
	<datestamp>1265893080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's bad news for Microsoft at so many levels -<br>1. it's a 17-year-old bug<br>2. The disclosure and proof-of-concept attack was done by Google, clearly not Microsoft's best friend<br>3. Microsoft was forced to release a patch that is not fully tested<br>4. The cure is worse than the illness<br>5. Lots of windows users find out they have been compromised for how long? Nobody really knows!<br>6. The only remedy now is to restore your computer to it's previous state, which means you carry on using your computer in it's compromised state</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's bad news for Microsoft at so many levels -1. it 's a 17-year-old bug2 .
The disclosure and proof-of-concept attack was done by Google , clearly not Microsoft 's best friend3 .
Microsoft was forced to release a patch that is not fully tested4 .
The cure is worse than the illness5 .
Lots of windows users find out they have been compromised for how long ?
Nobody really knows ! 6 .
The only remedy now is to restore your computer to it 's previous state , which means you carry on using your computer in it 's compromised state</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's bad news for Microsoft at so many levels -1. it's a 17-year-old bug2.
The disclosure and proof-of-concept attack was done by Google, clearly not Microsoft's best friend3.
Microsoft was forced to release a patch that is not fully tested4.
The cure is worse than the illness5.
Lots of windows users find out they have been compromised for how long?
Nobody really knows!6.
The only remedy now is to restore your computer to it's previous state, which means you carry on using your computer in it's compromised state</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110524</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>1s44c</author>
	<datestamp>1265967240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Agreed.</p><p>As long as you haven't turned on file encryption (only an option with XP Pro), you can easily recover everything.  Do this:</p><p>1) Go to a friend's computer.  Download and burn a copy of your favorite linux distro (I use Ubuntu).</p><p>2) Live-boot from the CD.</p><p>3) Mount the hard drive.</p><p>4) Insert your favorite USB storage device (make sure it is large enough).</p><p>5) Copy ALL important files to the USB drive (probably safest to copy your entire user directory, if your USB drive is big enough.</p><p>6) When done, re-format your hard drive and re-install XP.</p></div><p>You were making sense up to point 6. Then you started babbling like a mad man.</p><p>You suffer something like this and you return like a dog to its own vomit. Isn't this enough of a wake up call for you?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed.As long as you have n't turned on file encryption ( only an option with XP Pro ) , you can easily recover everything .
Do this : 1 ) Go to a friend 's computer .
Download and burn a copy of your favorite linux distro ( I use Ubuntu ) .2 ) Live-boot from the CD.3 ) Mount the hard drive.4 ) Insert your favorite USB storage device ( make sure it is large enough ) .5 ) Copy ALL important files to the USB drive ( probably safest to copy your entire user directory , if your USB drive is big enough.6 ) When done , re-format your hard drive and re-install XP.You were making sense up to point 6 .
Then you started babbling like a mad man.You suffer something like this and you return like a dog to its own vomit .
Is n't this enough of a wake up call for you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.As long as you haven't turned on file encryption (only an option with XP Pro), you can easily recover everything.
Do this:1) Go to a friend's computer.
Download and burn a copy of your favorite linux distro (I use Ubuntu).2) Live-boot from the CD.3) Mount the hard drive.4) Insert your favorite USB storage device (make sure it is large enough).5) Copy ALL important files to the USB drive (probably safest to copy your entire user directory, if your USB drive is big enough.6) When done, re-format your hard drive and re-install XP.You were making sense up to point 6.
Then you started babbling like a mad man.You suffer something like this and you return like a dog to its own vomit.
Isn't this enough of a wake up call for you?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106838</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265890440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wans under the impression the "patch" replaces the file and not just binary diff so it shouldn't matter what the old one was.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wans under the impression the " patch " replaces the file and not just binary diff so it should n't matter what the old one was .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wans under the impression the "patch" replaces the file and not just binary diff so it shouldn't matter what the old one was.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106710</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31111858</id>
	<title>Re:I always wait for a while</title>
	<author>multipart/mixed</author>
	<datestamp>1265984100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For what it's worth, we've had more problems in our office with Ubuntu and Debian-stable updates breaking stuff than Windows.</p><p>Just sayin'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For what it 's worth , we 've had more problems in our office with Ubuntu and Debian-stable updates breaking stuff than Windows.Just sayin'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For what it's worth, we've had more problems in our office with Ubuntu and Debian-stable updates breaking stuff than Windows.Just sayin'</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106898</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106812</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265890320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yo dawg, I herd you like updates, so we put updates in your updates, so you can bluescreen while you bluescreen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yo dawg , I herd you like updates , so we put updates in your updates , so you can bluescreen while you bluescreen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yo dawg, I herd you like updates, so we put updates in your updates, so you can bluescreen while you bluescreen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106916</id>
	<title>Yay, no problems here!</title>
	<author>HouseOfMisterE</author>
	<datestamp>1265890740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I updated yesterday and haven't had any problems.  I feel like I won the lottery!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I updated yesterday and have n't had any problems .
I feel like I won the lottery !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I updated yesterday and haven't had any problems.
I feel like I won the lottery!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31173460</id>
	<title>What a relief...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265053440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I only had one user have this issue in my office. This is mostly a result of most other users having Vista or Win7 on their computers by now. When I first saw the issue, my exact thoughts were: "what the hell?"<br>I was in the process of doing my usual troubleshooting, but went home for the day.</p><p>I happened upon this article and it hit me: "This is the exact same issue I'm having... I wonder what the chances are..."</p><p>When I got back to the office, I tried the first of the commands listed in the fix. It worked. That meant that the updates were there, and that more than likely they were a problem. After finishing all the commands, the computer now runs like a top! I owe that "maxyimus" user a great deal of thanks for the stress relief.</p><p>Do I blame Microsoft for this? Not entirely... I think greater testing is required before they release patches such as the one they did, but apart from that, I'm just thankful the fix was an easy one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I only had one user have this issue in my office .
This is mostly a result of most other users having Vista or Win7 on their computers by now .
When I first saw the issue , my exact thoughts were : " what the hell ?
" I was in the process of doing my usual troubleshooting , but went home for the day.I happened upon this article and it hit me : " This is the exact same issue I 'm having... I wonder what the chances are... " When I got back to the office , I tried the first of the commands listed in the fix .
It worked .
That meant that the updates were there , and that more than likely they were a problem .
After finishing all the commands , the computer now runs like a top !
I owe that " maxyimus " user a great deal of thanks for the stress relief.Do I blame Microsoft for this ?
Not entirely... I think greater testing is required before they release patches such as the one they did , but apart from that , I 'm just thankful the fix was an easy one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I only had one user have this issue in my office.
This is mostly a result of most other users having Vista or Win7 on their computers by now.
When I first saw the issue, my exact thoughts were: "what the hell?
"I was in the process of doing my usual troubleshooting, but went home for the day.I happened upon this article and it hit me: "This is the exact same issue I'm having... I wonder what the chances are..."When I got back to the office, I tried the first of the commands listed in the fix.
It worked.
That meant that the updates were there, and that more than likely they were a problem.
After finishing all the commands, the computer now runs like a top!
I owe that "maxyimus" user a great deal of thanks for the stress relief.Do I blame Microsoft for this?
Not entirely... I think greater testing is required before they release patches such as the one they did, but apart from that, I'm just thankful the fix was an easy one.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108062</id>
	<title>Finally, It's Secure!</title>
	<author>Greyfox</author>
	<datestamp>1265896440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe that was the only way Microsoft could figure out to make it completely secure.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe that was the only way Microsoft could figure out to make it completely secure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe that was the only way Microsoft could figure out to make it completely secure.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107132</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265891580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... They'll just pass the buck and tell users that their computers were already hosed and that the BSOD is a "feature" and that they should have re-installed the OS anyway (because we all know that once your Windows box is pwnt, the only way to deal with it is full format and re-install).</p></div><p>You mean buy a new copy of Windows and then reinstall.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... They 'll just pass the buck and tell users that their computers were already hosed and that the BSOD is a " feature " and that they should have re-installed the OS anyway ( because we all know that once your Windows box is pwnt , the only way to deal with it is full format and re-install ) .You mean buy a new copy of Windows and then reinstall .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... They'll just pass the buck and tell users that their computers were already hosed and that the BSOD is a "feature" and that they should have re-installed the OS anyway (because we all know that once your Windows box is pwnt, the only way to deal with it is full format and re-install).You mean buy a new copy of Windows and then reinstall.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106490</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31117396</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266008100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Except doing that is an elementary procedure during software updates and I'm sure they did that. The problem is that any half decently written malware/virus is going to intercept the request and do a bit by bit replay of the original file which it backed up somewhere else.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except doing that is an elementary procedure during software updates and I 'm sure they did that .
The problem is that any half decently written malware/virus is going to intercept the request and do a bit by bit replay of the original file which it backed up somewhere else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except doing that is an elementary procedure during software updates and I'm sure they did that.
The problem is that any half decently written malware/virus is going to intercept the request and do a bit by bit replay of the original file which it backed up somewhere else.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106726</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107554</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>BlueParrot</author>
	<datestamp>1265893560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yo Dawg! We heard you like updates...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yo Dawg !
We heard you like updates.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yo Dawg!
We heard you like updates...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106486</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107386</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>Rockoon</author>
	<datestamp>1265892660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This doesnt make sense.<br>
<br>
Even if the file was modified, over-writing it with a valid one will not cause a problem under normal operation.<br>
<br>
When the file is over-written, those modifications that you are thinking of are gone. The modifications can't come back from the grave as ghosts and cause a problem.<br>
<br>
The only way there can be a problem is if 'something else' is making an assumption about that file incorrectly, and that does not mean that the assumption is that the file has been modified. More likely the assumption that it will NEVER be modified, which leads to the likely conclusion that it was in fact never modified. The file was exactly as expected by the updater and no matter how many times or ways you run a hash on it, equal is equal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This doesnt make sense .
Even if the file was modified , over-writing it with a valid one will not cause a problem under normal operation .
When the file is over-written , those modifications that you are thinking of are gone .
The modifications ca n't come back from the grave as ghosts and cause a problem .
The only way there can be a problem is if 'something else ' is making an assumption about that file incorrectly , and that does not mean that the assumption is that the file has been modified .
More likely the assumption that it will NEVER be modified , which leads to the likely conclusion that it was in fact never modified .
The file was exactly as expected by the updater and no matter how many times or ways you run a hash on it , equal is equal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This doesnt make sense.
Even if the file was modified, over-writing it with a valid one will not cause a problem under normal operation.
When the file is over-written, those modifications that you are thinking of are gone.
The modifications can't come back from the grave as ghosts and cause a problem.
The only way there can be a problem is if 'something else' is making an assumption about that file incorrectly, and that does not mean that the assumption is that the file has been modified.
More likely the assumption that it will NEVER be modified, which leads to the likely conclusion that it was in fact never modified.
The file was exactly as expected by the updater and no matter how many times or ways you run a hash on it, equal is equal.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106490</id>
	<title>Need confirmation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265889000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An MVP poster in the thread claims that KB977165 causes the problem, and that the problem only occurs on computers that have been compromised by exploit code.  The patch in question patches the NT kernel executable files.</p><p>If it is true that only compromised computers blue screen then it's hard to fault Microsoft for their patch code choking when it stumbles across the exploit code.</p><p>I wonder if they are going to push out an updated patch that at least performs some sort of sanity checking before attempting to modify the files.  I doubt it.  They'll just pass the buck and tell users that their computers were already hosed and that the BSOD is a "feature" and that they should have re-installed the OS anyway (because we all know that once your Windows box is pwnt, the only way to deal with it is full format and re-install).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An MVP poster in the thread claims that KB977165 causes the problem , and that the problem only occurs on computers that have been compromised by exploit code .
The patch in question patches the NT kernel executable files.If it is true that only compromised computers blue screen then it 's hard to fault Microsoft for their patch code choking when it stumbles across the exploit code.I wonder if they are going to push out an updated patch that at least performs some sort of sanity checking before attempting to modify the files .
I doubt it .
They 'll just pass the buck and tell users that their computers were already hosed and that the BSOD is a " feature " and that they should have re-installed the OS anyway ( because we all know that once your Windows box is pwnt , the only way to deal with it is full format and re-install ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An MVP poster in the thread claims that KB977165 causes the problem, and that the problem only occurs on computers that have been compromised by exploit code.
The patch in question patches the NT kernel executable files.If it is true that only compromised computers blue screen then it's hard to fault Microsoft for their patch code choking when it stumbles across the exploit code.I wonder if they are going to push out an updated patch that at least performs some sort of sanity checking before attempting to modify the files.
I doubt it.
They'll just pass the buck and tell users that their computers were already hosed and that the BSOD is a "feature" and that they should have re-installed the OS anyway (because we all know that once your Windows box is pwnt, the only way to deal with it is full format and re-install).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31123642</id>
	<title>Re:I always wait for a while</title>
	<author>sheoguey</author>
	<datestamp>1265989320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>YES!! That seems to be the only SANE way to evaluate MS updates and new products... it's certainly how I prefer to do it.<br>Now... off to check for Windows 7 whining<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:o)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>YES ! !
That seems to be the only SANE way to evaluate MS updates and new products... it 's certainly how I prefer to do it.Now... off to check for Windows 7 whining : o )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>YES!!
That seems to be the only SANE way to evaluate MS updates and new products... it's certainly how I prefer to do it.Now... off to check for Windows 7 whining :o)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106898</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108384</id>
	<title>Re:LOL</title>
	<author>MobileTatsu-NJG</author>
	<datestamp>1265898660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Heh.  Okay, you have to admit, that door swings both ways.  Watch...</p><p>Useful skills learned while playing games:</p><ul><li>Networking</li></ul><ul><li>Computer maintenance / upgrades</li></ul><ul><li>Teamwork</li></ul><ul><li>Network latency</li></ul><ul><li>Graphical tricks (texture mapping, lighting, etc.  I could make a whole list on this alone.)</li></ul><ul><li>Good UI</li></ul><ul><li>Appreciation for simplicity</li></ul><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...etc.</p><p>Ordinarily I would have let this go, but you reminded me of a programming teacher I had back in high school that thought video games offered nothing but a waste of time.  Instead I have a lot to thank them for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Heh .
Okay , you have to admit , that door swings both ways .
Watch...Useful skills learned while playing games : NetworkingComputer maintenance / upgradesTeamworkNetwork latencyGraphical tricks ( texture mapping , lighting , etc .
I could make a whole list on this alone .
) Good UIAppreciation for simplicity ...etc.Ordinarily I would have let this go , but you reminded me of a programming teacher I had back in high school that thought video games offered nothing but a waste of time .
Instead I have a lot to thank them for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heh.
Okay, you have to admit, that door swings both ways.
Watch...Useful skills learned while playing games:NetworkingComputer maintenance / upgradesTeamworkNetwork latencyGraphical tricks (texture mapping, lighting, etc.
I could make a whole list on this alone.
)Good UIAppreciation for simplicity ...etc.Ordinarily I would have let this go, but you reminded me of a programming teacher I had back in high school that thought video games offered nothing but a waste of time.
Instead I have a lot to thank them for.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107944</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31110292</id>
	<title>Just don't update</title>
	<author>Askmum</author>
	<datestamp>1266006420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I knew there still is a reason why I have never run windows updates since I installed SP2. I've had infinitely less outages due to virusus and malware than others have had due to windows updates. Namely none. Give me one good reason to update my installation of XP, and especially why I would want to put automatic updates on. I see no use. Really, I don't.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I knew there still is a reason why I have never run windows updates since I installed SP2 .
I 've had infinitely less outages due to virusus and malware than others have had due to windows updates .
Namely none .
Give me one good reason to update my installation of XP , and especially why I would want to put automatic updates on .
I see no use .
Really , I do n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I knew there still is a reason why I have never run windows updates since I installed SP2.
I've had infinitely less outages due to virusus and malware than others have had due to windows updates.
Namely none.
Give me one good reason to update my installation of XP, and especially why I would want to put automatic updates on.
I see no use.
Really, I don't.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31108328</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265898180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you mean:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Should have used LiNuX and LaTeX.</p></div><p>?</p><p>Because that would have been a lot funnier.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you mean : Should have used LiNuX and LaTeX .
? Because that would have been a lot funnier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you mean:Should have used LiNuX and LaTeX.
?Because that would have been a lot funnier.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106596</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31109528</id>
	<title>ntkrnlpa.exe</title>
	<author>Hamsterdan</author>
	<datestamp>1265910060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That one really cracked me up. in TFA it says that file gets replaced by a newer version. Guess which anti-virus couldn't make heads or tails about waht to do with it?<br><br>Microsoft's own...<br><br>MSE offered me to report it to MS, which I did<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>That one really cracked me up .
in TFA it says that file gets replaced by a newer version .
Guess which anti-virus could n't make heads or tails about waht to do with it ? Microsoft 's own...MSE offered me to report it to MS , which I did : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That one really cracked me up.
in TFA it says that file gets replaced by a newer version.
Guess which anti-virus couldn't make heads or tails about waht to do with it?Microsoft's own...MSE offered me to report it to MS, which I did :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31111430</id>
	<title>Yup</title>
	<author>Jaysyn</author>
	<datestamp>1265979540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This "update" ate my boss' laptop &amp; killed at least two of the workstations at the office.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This " update " ate my boss ' laptop &amp; killed at least two of the workstations at the office .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This "update" ate my boss' laptop &amp; killed at least two of the workstations at the office.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31109174</id>
	<title>One Word</title>
	<author>okmijnuhb</author>
	<datestamp>1265905800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>GNU/Linux</htmltext>
<tokenext>GNU/Linux</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GNU/Linux</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107604</id>
	<title>Re:Need confirmation</title>
	<author>stonewallred</author>
	<datestamp>1265893860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What are these "ads" you speak of?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What are these " ads " you speak of ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What are these "ads" you speak of?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106714</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107188</id>
	<title>Lucky Me</title>
	<author>Penguinshit</author>
	<datestamp>1265891820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fortunately I didn't get bitten by this. I would be devastated. Here's why:<p>
I am quadriplegic with a tracheostomy to breathe. That means no keyboard or mouse and no auditory input. I control my computer with eye movement (the only muscles I still fully control) tracked via infrared camera. Almost every system built to assist communication for people like me are built on top of WinXP. There is a Mac version I have heard of but AFAIK doesn't do full control like the one I use. There is no Linux availability at all (oh how I wish).</p><p>
So I am stuck. This system is my voice and my window to the world (travel is a major production requiring a team of assistants). it controls my immediate environment (tv, lights, etc.). It represents the last bit of independence I possess. It is a Tablet so "pop in the CD isn't so easy.</p><p>
I am very careful to avoid viruses and other malware (always was when i was healthy and Win32 was only a secondary OS for me then). But to be stabbed in the back would be utterly devastating to me. It could be weeks before I could get qualified help (Nerd Herd, etc. need not apply).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fortunately I did n't get bitten by this .
I would be devastated .
Here 's why : I am quadriplegic with a tracheostomy to breathe .
That means no keyboard or mouse and no auditory input .
I control my computer with eye movement ( the only muscles I still fully control ) tracked via infrared camera .
Almost every system built to assist communication for people like me are built on top of WinXP .
There is a Mac version I have heard of but AFAIK does n't do full control like the one I use .
There is no Linux availability at all ( oh how I wish ) .
So I am stuck .
This system is my voice and my window to the world ( travel is a major production requiring a team of assistants ) .
it controls my immediate environment ( tv , lights , etc. ) .
It represents the last bit of independence I possess .
It is a Tablet so " pop in the CD is n't so easy .
I am very careful to avoid viruses and other malware ( always was when i was healthy and Win32 was only a secondary OS for me then ) .
But to be stabbed in the back would be utterly devastating to me .
It could be weeks before I could get qualified help ( Nerd Herd , etc .
need not apply ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fortunately I didn't get bitten by this.
I would be devastated.
Here's why:
I am quadriplegic with a tracheostomy to breathe.
That means no keyboard or mouse and no auditory input.
I control my computer with eye movement (the only muscles I still fully control) tracked via infrared camera.
Almost every system built to assist communication for people like me are built on top of WinXP.
There is a Mac version I have heard of but AFAIK doesn't do full control like the one I use.
There is no Linux availability at all (oh how I wish).
So I am stuck.
This system is my voice and my window to the world (travel is a major production requiring a team of assistants).
it controls my immediate environment (tv, lights, etc.).
It represents the last bit of independence I possess.
It is a Tablet so "pop in the CD isn't so easy.
I am very careful to avoid viruses and other malware (always was when i was healthy and Win32 was only a secondary OS for me then).
But to be stabbed in the back would be utterly devastating to me.
It could be weeks before I could get qualified help (Nerd Herd, etc.
need not apply).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107244</id>
	<title>Obviously</title>
	<author>bangthegong</author>
	<datestamp>1265892000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is how they solve the problem of backwards compatibility and get everyone onto Windows.Next or Win8 or whatever. Break all OSes prior to Win7 with "patches" thereby forcing everyone to PAY UP SUCKAS....</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is how they solve the problem of backwards compatibility and get everyone onto Windows.Next or Win8 or whatever .
Break all OSes prior to Win7 with " patches " thereby forcing everyone to PAY UP SUCKAS... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is how they solve the problem of backwards compatibility and get everyone onto Windows.Next or Win8 or whatever.
Break all OSes prior to Win7 with "patches" thereby forcing everyone to PAY UP SUCKAS....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106770</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>harrkev</author>
	<datestamp>1265890200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed.</p><p>As long as you haven't turned on file encryption (only an option with XP Pro), you can easily recover everything.  Do this:</p><p>1) Go to a friend's computer.  Download and burn a copy of your favorite linux distro (I use Ubuntu).</p><p>2) Live-boot from the CD.</p><p>3) Mount the hard drive.</p><p>4) Insert your favorite USB storage device (make sure it is large enough).</p><p>5) Copy ALL important files to the USB drive (probably safest to copy your entire user directory, if your USB drive is big enough.</p><p>6) When done, re-format your hard drive and re-install XP.</p><p>7) Update your system completely.</p><p>8) Re-install all applications you need (office, etc.)</p><p>9) Copy your important files off of the USB drive.</p><p>Really, it is time-consuming, but I have had to do this exact same process for friends a bunch of times.</p><p>As far as the PhD goes, go up to step 5, and then use the friend's computer to print everything.  Do steps 6-8 some other day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed.As long as you have n't turned on file encryption ( only an option with XP Pro ) , you can easily recover everything .
Do this : 1 ) Go to a friend 's computer .
Download and burn a copy of your favorite linux distro ( I use Ubuntu ) .2 ) Live-boot from the CD.3 ) Mount the hard drive.4 ) Insert your favorite USB storage device ( make sure it is large enough ) .5 ) Copy ALL important files to the USB drive ( probably safest to copy your entire user directory , if your USB drive is big enough.6 ) When done , re-format your hard drive and re-install XP.7 ) Update your system completely.8 ) Re-install all applications you need ( office , etc .
) 9 ) Copy your important files off of the USB drive.Really , it is time-consuming , but I have had to do this exact same process for friends a bunch of times.As far as the PhD goes , go up to step 5 , and then use the friend 's computer to print everything .
Do steps 6-8 some other day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.As long as you haven't turned on file encryption (only an option with XP Pro), you can easily recover everything.
Do this:1) Go to a friend's computer.
Download and burn a copy of your favorite linux distro (I use Ubuntu).2) Live-boot from the CD.3) Mount the hard drive.4) Insert your favorite USB storage device (make sure it is large enough).5) Copy ALL important files to the USB drive (probably safest to copy your entire user directory, if your USB drive is big enough.6) When done, re-format your hard drive and re-install XP.7) Update your system completely.8) Re-install all applications you need (office, etc.
)9) Copy your important files off of the USB drive.Really, it is time-consuming, but I have had to do this exact same process for friends a bunch of times.As far as the PhD goes, go up to step 5, and then use the friend's computer to print everything.
Do steps 6-8 some other day.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107104</id>
	<title>Resistance is futile. You will upgrade.</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1265891400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Resistance is futile. You <b>WILL</b> upgrade to Windows 7 as instructed. We are in full control of your computer. Your computer will remain deactivated until you comply with our instructions.  You have no alternative but to obey.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Resistance is futile .
You WILL upgrade to Windows 7 as instructed .
We are in full control of your computer .
Your computer will remain deactivated until you comply with our instructions .
You have no alternative but to obey .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Resistance is futile.
You WILL upgrade to Windows 7 as instructed.
We are in full control of your computer.
Your computer will remain deactivated until you comply with our instructions.
You have no alternative but to obey.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31109354</id>
	<title>I am so thankful</title>
	<author>Windcatcher</author>
	<datestamp>1265907660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... to still be running Windows 2000. It received patches for the same vulnerabilities as XP, but it's running just fine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... to still be running Windows 2000 .
It received patches for the same vulnerabilities as XP , but it 's running just fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... to still be running Windows 2000.
It received patches for the same vulnerabilities as XP, but it's running just fine.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31109914</id>
	<title>Re:ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>drsmithy</author>
	<datestamp>1265914380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>You lost me here.....windows has the equivalent of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home directories??</i>
</p><p>Yes.
</p><p> <i>I don't use windows that much [...]</i>
</p><p>Clearly, since it's something that appeared in Windows around 12-13 <b>years</b> ago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You lost me here.....windows has the equivalent of /home directories ? ?
Yes . I do n't use windows that much [ ... ] Clearly , since it 's something that appeared in Windows around 12-13 years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> You lost me here.....windows has the equivalent of /home directories??
Yes.
 I don't use windows that much [...]
Clearly, since it's something that appeared in Windows around 12-13 years ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106338</id>
	<title>ha ha suckers!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265888400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>first po</p><p>Stop OxOOOOOOFC (OxB5FD7D64, Ox76F3E963, OxB5FD7CDC, OxOOOOOOO1)</p><p>A problem has been detected and windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>first poStop OxOOOOOOFC ( OxB5FD7D64 , Ox76F3E963 , OxB5FD7CDC , OxOOOOOOO1 ) A problem has been detected and windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>first poStop OxOOOOOOFC (OxB5FD7D64, Ox76F3E963, OxB5FD7CDC, OxOOOOOOO1)A problem has been detected and windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31107330</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265892360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought it became customary for windows updates to break things and then later issue another update to fix what the previous one broke.  Yes, updating your updates may be wrong, but trust me, it's happening.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought it became customary for windows updates to break things and then later issue another update to fix what the previous one broke .
Yes , updating your updates may be wrong , but trust me , it 's happening .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought it became customary for windows updates to break things and then later issue another update to fix what the previous one broke.
Yes, updating your updates may be wrong, but trust me, it's happening.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106486</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106722</id>
	<title>Thanks for the scoop</title>
	<author>texnogeekz</author>
	<datestamp>1265890020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm glad I did not experience this threat yet</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm glad I did not experience this threat yet</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm glad I did not experience this threat yet</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31106486</id>
	<title>What?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265889000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>'I updated 11 Windows XP updates today...</p></div><p>You updated your updates? You're doing it wrong.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>'I updated 11 Windows XP updates today...You updated your updates ?
You 're doing it wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'I updated 11 Windows XP updates today...You updated your updates?
You're doing it wrong.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31109030</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky Me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265904360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously?  If that's true you are a fool not to have a known-good system backup CD/DVD.  Obviously you need to contract someone to make that for you, but it should be quite feasible to create a system restore CD that does-it-all when you stick it in the drive and reboot.  And then all you need is a printed instruction sheet for the dumbest guy at Best Buy to follow.  I'm sure you could even get someone to build you a simple backup/restore system so that your restore could be reasonably up to date.</p><p>If you don't already have something like that you should get it done now.  If this computer is so essential to your day-to-day life... man, I can't imagine not being able to communicate for weeks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously ?
If that 's true you are a fool not to have a known-good system backup CD/DVD .
Obviously you need to contract someone to make that for you , but it should be quite feasible to create a system restore CD that does-it-all when you stick it in the drive and reboot .
And then all you need is a printed instruction sheet for the dumbest guy at Best Buy to follow .
I 'm sure you could even get someone to build you a simple backup/restore system so that your restore could be reasonably up to date.If you do n't already have something like that you should get it done now .
If this computer is so essential to your day-to-day life... man , I ca n't imagine not being able to communicate for weeks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously?
If that's true you are a fool not to have a known-good system backup CD/DVD.
Obviously you need to contract someone to make that for you, but it should be quite feasible to create a system restore CD that does-it-all when you stick it in the drive and reboot.
And then all you need is a printed instruction sheet for the dumbest guy at Best Buy to follow.
I'm sure you could even get someone to build you a simple backup/restore system so that your restore could be reasonably up to date.If you don't already have something like that you should get it done now.
If this computer is so essential to your day-to-day life... man, I can't imagine not being able to communicate for weeks.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_2217239.31112546</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky Me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265988300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like if it's that important to you, you should probably have two, just as a spare.  Shit happens, after all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like if it 's that important to you , you should probably have two , just as a spare .
Shit happens , after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like if it's that important to you, you should probably have two, just as a spare.
Shit happens, after all.</sentencetext>
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