<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_09_196235</id>
	<title>Microsoft Says Windows 7 Not Killing Batteries</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1265707200000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>VindictivePantz sends word that the <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2010/02/08/windows-7-battery-notification-messages.aspx">Windows 7 team has posted a new blog entry</a> discussing their conclusions about the <a href="//tech.slashdot.org/story/10/02/03/0013257/Microsoft-Looking-Into-Windows-7-Battery-Failures">reported Windows 7 battery failures</a>. <i>"To the very best of the collective ecosystem knowledge, Windows 7 is correctly warning batteries that are in fact failing and Windows 7 is neither incorrectly reporting on battery status nor in any way whatsoever causing batteries to reach this state. In every case we have been able to identify the battery being reported on was in fact in need of recommended replacement. ...every single indication we have regarding the reports we've seen are simply Windows 7 reporting the state of the battery using this new feature and we're simply seeing batteries that are not performing above the designated threshold. ... We are as certain as we can be that we have addressed the root cause and concerns of this report, but we will continue to monitor the situation."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>VindictivePantz sends word that the Windows 7 team has posted a new blog entry discussing their conclusions about the reported Windows 7 battery failures .
" To the very best of the collective ecosystem knowledge , Windows 7 is correctly warning batteries that are in fact failing and Windows 7 is neither incorrectly reporting on battery status nor in any way whatsoever causing batteries to reach this state .
In every case we have been able to identify the battery being reported on was in fact in need of recommended replacement .
...every single indication we have regarding the reports we 've seen are simply Windows 7 reporting the state of the battery using this new feature and we 're simply seeing batteries that are not performing above the designated threshold .
... We are as certain as we can be that we have addressed the root cause and concerns of this report , but we will continue to monitor the situation .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>VindictivePantz sends word that the Windows 7 team has posted a new blog entry discussing their conclusions about the reported Windows 7 battery failures.
"To the very best of the collective ecosystem knowledge, Windows 7 is correctly warning batteries that are in fact failing and Windows 7 is neither incorrectly reporting on battery status nor in any way whatsoever causing batteries to reach this state.
In every case we have been able to identify the battery being reported on was in fact in need of recommended replacement.
...every single indication we have regarding the reports we've seen are simply Windows 7 reporting the state of the battery using this new feature and we're simply seeing batteries that are not performing above the designated threshold.
... We are as certain as we can be that we have addressed the root cause and concerns of this report, but we will continue to monitor the situation.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31084078</id>
	<title>Re:Remember Kids...</title>
	<author>dredwerker</author>
	<datestamp>1265028300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Windows 7 doesn't kill batteries, people kill batteries.</p></div><p>no -wrappers do</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows 7 does n't kill batteries , people kill batteries.no -wrappers do</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows 7 doesn't kill batteries, people kill batteries.no -wrappers do
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078264</id>
	<title>Sheesh.</title>
	<author>Esther Schindler</author>
	<datestamp>1265711400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FYI, If you <em>know</em> that your battery has plenty of juice left, there's a fix available. Sort of. The #5 item in <a href="http://itexpertvoice.com/home/fixing-five-common-windows-7-annoyances/" title="itexpertvoice.com">Fixing Five Common Windows 7 Annoyances</a> [itexpertvoice.com] is "the undead battery." One way to know if it's necessary:</p><blockquote><div><p>To see if your battery problems are likely to come from this conflict between Windows 7 and your hardware run the powercfg -energy command from a command prompt. If the result is that Windows was unable to determine the battery&rsquo;s capacity, sooner or later you will see the misleading error messages or have the laptop shutdown prematurely.</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>FYI , If you know that your battery has plenty of juice left , there 's a fix available .
Sort of .
The # 5 item in Fixing Five Common Windows 7 Annoyances [ itexpertvoice.com ] is " the undead battery .
" One way to know if it 's necessary : To see if your battery problems are likely to come from this conflict between Windows 7 and your hardware run the powercfg -energy command from a command prompt .
If the result is that Windows was unable to determine the battery    s capacity , sooner or later you will see the misleading error messages or have the laptop shutdown prematurely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FYI, If you know that your battery has plenty of juice left, there's a fix available.
Sort of.
The #5 item in Fixing Five Common Windows 7 Annoyances [itexpertvoice.com] is "the undead battery.
" One way to know if it's necessary:To see if your battery problems are likely to come from this conflict between Windows 7 and your hardware run the powercfg -energy command from a command prompt.
If the result is that Windows was unable to determine the battery’s capacity, sooner or later you will see the misleading error messages or have the laptop shutdown prematurely.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079250</id>
	<title>It is not a bug, it is a feature</title>
	<author>WillAffleckUW</author>
	<datestamp>1265715420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And causing you to go through longer lines at airport security and not working - well, you need to slow down your life, and Microsoft is just there to help you do that.</p><p>Now, go outside, the sun is shining and you shouldn't be indoors coding<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And causing you to go through longer lines at airport security and not working - well , you need to slow down your life , and Microsoft is just there to help you do that.Now , go outside , the sun is shining and you should n't be indoors coding .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And causing you to go through longer lines at airport security and not working - well, you need to slow down your life, and Microsoft is just there to help you do that.Now, go outside, the sun is shining and you shouldn't be indoors coding ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31080700</id>
	<title>Fear not, the Collective hath spoken</title>
	<author>niteshifter</author>
	<datestamp>1265723760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>To the very best of the collective's knowledge</p></div><p>There, fixed that for 'em.</p><p>Sorry, couldn't resist the opportunity for snark. "collective ecosystem knowledge". What the hell is that? Pure noise, bereft of signal is what that is. Some days I really mourn the death of literacy. This be one of those days.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>To the very best of the collective 's knowledgeThere , fixed that for 'em.Sorry , could n't resist the opportunity for snark .
" collective ecosystem knowledge " .
What the hell is that ?
Pure noise , bereft of signal is what that is .
Some days I really mourn the death of literacy .
This be one of those days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To the very best of the collective's knowledgeThere, fixed that for 'em.Sorry, couldn't resist the opportunity for snark.
"collective ecosystem knowledge".
What the hell is that?
Pure noise, bereft of signal is what that is.
Some days I really mourn the death of literacy.
This be one of those days.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079054</id>
	<title>Re:We need more honestly dumb software.</title>
	<author>arikol</author>
	<datestamp>1265714640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, the user is smart and the OS and computer are both stupid.</p><p>HOWEVER, the user may be a very smart doctor (brick layer, astronaut, deep sea diver etc.) which does not necessarily make the user comfortable with computers or an OS.<br>The OS should assist the user by giving him all the information he needs in real human language.<br>If the assistance means showing a warning symbol on the battery and a popup (on hover) sayin "this battery will need replacing soon" or "this battery REEEEALLLLYYY needs replacing now" then that is what is required.</p><p>We technonerds who feel comfortable screwing our laptop computers apart and can look up all pertinent data (and understand it) are only a very small minority. Most users can use google in a very limited fashion and don't understand the difference between a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.dll and a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.avi<br>Not because they are stupid, but rather because they focus their brainpower on other things (brain surgery, for instance)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , the user is smart and the OS and computer are both stupid.HOWEVER , the user may be a very smart doctor ( brick layer , astronaut , deep sea diver etc .
) which does not necessarily make the user comfortable with computers or an OS.The OS should assist the user by giving him all the information he needs in real human language.If the assistance means showing a warning symbol on the battery and a popup ( on hover ) sayin " this battery will need replacing soon " or " this battery REEEEALLLLYYY needs replacing now " then that is what is required.We technonerds who feel comfortable screwing our laptop computers apart and can look up all pertinent data ( and understand it ) are only a very small minority .
Most users can use google in a very limited fashion and do n't understand the difference between a .dll and a .aviNot because they are stupid , but rather because they focus their brainpower on other things ( brain surgery , for instance )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, the user is smart and the OS and computer are both stupid.HOWEVER, the user may be a very smart doctor (brick layer, astronaut, deep sea diver etc.
) which does not necessarily make the user comfortable with computers or an OS.The OS should assist the user by giving him all the information he needs in real human language.If the assistance means showing a warning symbol on the battery and a popup (on hover) sayin "this battery will need replacing soon" or "this battery REEEEALLLLYYY needs replacing now" then that is what is required.We technonerds who feel comfortable screwing our laptop computers apart and can look up all pertinent data (and understand it) are only a very small minority.
Most users can use google in a very limited fashion and don't understand the difference between a .dll and a .aviNot because they are stupid, but rather because they focus their brainpower on other things (brain surgery, for instance)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079442</id>
	<title>Re:Windows 7 is correctly warning batteries?</title>
	<author>chickenarise</author>
	<datestamp>1265716260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Go ahead and mod me offtopic, I don't care. I would like a response though<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<p><div class="quote"><p>The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.</p></div><p>I don't understand your sig, the numbers you can count <i>are</i> real numbers. Real numbers encompass all integers, all fractions, and all irrational numbers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Go ahead and mod me offtopic , I do n't care .
I would like a response though : ) The Tao of math : The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.I do n't understand your sig , the numbers you can count are real numbers .
Real numbers encompass all integers , all fractions , and all irrational numbers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go ahead and mod me offtopic, I don't care.
I would like a response though :)The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.I don't understand your sig, the numbers you can count are real numbers.
Real numbers encompass all integers, all fractions, and all irrational numbers.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31080272</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1265721000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>" I don't think they're blame-shifting here."<br>maybe, maybe not. There history means I can't trust them when they say it's not their fault.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I do n't think they 're blame-shifting here .
" maybe , maybe not .
There history means I ca n't trust them when they say it 's not their fault .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>" I don't think they're blame-shifting here.
"maybe, maybe not.
There history means I can't trust them when they say it's not their fault.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31086008</id>
	<title>Compare 3 OS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265041260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't have any problem with how Windows 7 reports battery charge or whether it charges it. I have three OS each telling me Windows is doing good there. The problem is, Windows 7 is sucking up energy like crazy compared to the two other OS when I start running the CPU and GPU at maximum. By crazy I mean that even when the laptop is plugged the charger can't recharge the battery as fast as it is used. If I start with 99\%, after one hour of run time I am down to 92\% (when I am plugged, because when I am unplugged it doesn't last one hour under windows).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't have any problem with how Windows 7 reports battery charge or whether it charges it .
I have three OS each telling me Windows is doing good there .
The problem is , Windows 7 is sucking up energy like crazy compared to the two other OS when I start running the CPU and GPU at maximum .
By crazy I mean that even when the laptop is plugged the charger ca n't recharge the battery as fast as it is used .
If I start with 99 \ % , after one hour of run time I am down to 92 \ % ( when I am plugged , because when I am unplugged it does n't last one hour under windows ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't have any problem with how Windows 7 reports battery charge or whether it charges it.
I have three OS each telling me Windows is doing good there.
The problem is, Windows 7 is sucking up energy like crazy compared to the two other OS when I start running the CPU and GPU at maximum.
By crazy I mean that even when the laptop is plugged the charger can't recharge the battery as fast as it is used.
If I start with 99\%, after one hour of run time I am down to 92\% (when I am plugged, because when I am unplugged it doesn't last one hour under windows).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078240</id>
	<title>similar story with Fedora and hard drives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265711280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fedora recently added a feature named palimpsest that checks your hard drive.  I did an upgrade and all of a sudden I am getting complaints about my hard drive being close to failure.  I think "no way, this is a pretty new drive".   But I dig deeper and sure enough the drive really is bad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fedora recently added a feature named palimpsest that checks your hard drive .
I did an upgrade and all of a sudden I am getting complaints about my hard drive being close to failure .
I think " no way , this is a pretty new drive " .
But I dig deeper and sure enough the drive really is bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fedora recently added a feature named palimpsest that checks your hard drive.
I did an upgrade and all of a sudden I am getting complaints about my hard drive being close to failure.
I think "no way, this is a pretty new drive".
But I dig deeper and sure enough the drive really is bad.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078736</id>
	<title>Remember Kids...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265713200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows 7 doesn't kill batteries, people kill batteries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows 7 does n't kill batteries , people kill batteries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows 7 doesn't kill batteries, people kill batteries.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079166</id>
	<title>Batteries and their lifespan</title>
	<author>yoshi\_mon</author>
	<datestamp>1265715180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Over the years as my number of rechargeable battery items have gone way up I'd like to think I'm somewhat familiar with the tech behind them.  At the very least enough to use them well and do some basic troubleshooting when problems arise with them.  And one of the main things I've observed lately is that sometimes it's the battery chargers that are ultimately the issue when problems start to become reoccurring.</p><p>I've had a 3 set cordless phone setup for about 5 years now and when they started to act up I got them all new batteries.  Given that they had still been using the originals I figured ok problem solved.  However not too long after using them with their new batteries they started to act up again.  And it was a bit harder because the pattern was very hard to see.</p><p>While I'm sure that the original batteries were due for replacement the satellite chargers had stopped working properly.  While the phones normally would stay in their normal charger that was not always the case which what threw me off at 1st.  But I noticed that as long as I charged a phone in the main station it would work fine.</p><p>However the damage had been done and even my new batteries are not nearly as good as they should be.  Extend what happened in my story to say a laptop where it's built in battery charging system has stopped working properly.  Not only is the battery not getting a good charge it's likely being damaged in the process.  Leading to Win7 telling people so even thou they think, "But I just got this thing a new battery!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Over the years as my number of rechargeable battery items have gone way up I 'd like to think I 'm somewhat familiar with the tech behind them .
At the very least enough to use them well and do some basic troubleshooting when problems arise with them .
And one of the main things I 've observed lately is that sometimes it 's the battery chargers that are ultimately the issue when problems start to become reoccurring.I 've had a 3 set cordless phone setup for about 5 years now and when they started to act up I got them all new batteries .
Given that they had still been using the originals I figured ok problem solved .
However not too long after using them with their new batteries they started to act up again .
And it was a bit harder because the pattern was very hard to see.While I 'm sure that the original batteries were due for replacement the satellite chargers had stopped working properly .
While the phones normally would stay in their normal charger that was not always the case which what threw me off at 1st .
But I noticed that as long as I charged a phone in the main station it would work fine.However the damage had been done and even my new batteries are not nearly as good as they should be .
Extend what happened in my story to say a laptop where it 's built in battery charging system has stopped working properly .
Not only is the battery not getting a good charge it 's likely being damaged in the process .
Leading to Win7 telling people so even thou they think , " But I just got this thing a new battery !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Over the years as my number of rechargeable battery items have gone way up I'd like to think I'm somewhat familiar with the tech behind them.
At the very least enough to use them well and do some basic troubleshooting when problems arise with them.
And one of the main things I've observed lately is that sometimes it's the battery chargers that are ultimately the issue when problems start to become reoccurring.I've had a 3 set cordless phone setup for about 5 years now and when they started to act up I got them all new batteries.
Given that they had still been using the originals I figured ok problem solved.
However not too long after using them with their new batteries they started to act up again.
And it was a bit harder because the pattern was very hard to see.While I'm sure that the original batteries were due for replacement the satellite chargers had stopped working properly.
While the phones normally would stay in their normal charger that was not always the case which what threw me off at 1st.
But I noticed that as long as I charged a phone in the main station it would work fine.However the damage had been done and even my new batteries are not nearly as good as they should be.
Extend what happened in my story to say a laptop where it's built in battery charging system has stopped working properly.
Not only is the battery not getting a good charge it's likely being damaged in the process.
Leading to Win7 telling people so even thou they think, "But I just got this thing a new battery!
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078426</id>
	<title>Re:similar story with Fedora and hard drives</title>
	<author>Velorium</author>
	<datestamp>1265711940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't have mod points today or else I'd give this a +1. I hope this can suffice.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't have mod points today or else I 'd give this a + 1 .
I hope this can suffice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't have mod points today or else I'd give this a +1.
I hope this can suffice.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078240</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078402</id>
	<title>Re:almost fooled me...</title>
	<author>poena.dare</author>
	<datestamp>1265711820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, silly.</p><p>Bill Cosby eats babies to stay young.</p><p>Windows 7 and Dick Clark eat batteries to stay alive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , silly.Bill Cosby eats babies to stay young.Windows 7 and Dick Clark eat batteries to stay alive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, silly.Bill Cosby eats babies to stay young.Windows 7 and Dick Clark eat batteries to stay alive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078538</id>
	<title>And what if Windows 7 is the cause?</title>
	<author>Fri13</author>
	<datestamp>1265712420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Okay, I saw this in the news when it came. I thought "Okay, some laptops seems to have problems." But I do not think so anymore. Why?</p><p>a) I have three laptops.<br>1. 4 years old (2006), Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo A1645 (windows 7, Linux 2.6.31)<br>2. 1.5 years old (2008) Acer Aspire 1520 (Windows 7, Linux 2.6.31)<br>3. 3 months old (2009) Asus EeePC 1008HA (Windows 7, Windows XP, Linux 2.6.31, latest stable FreeBSD)<br>(Okay, they are not all mine, only the newest)</p><p>b) I now run dual- or quadboot on every one of them with Windows 7, Windows XP, + Linux 2.6.33 (Distro = Mandriva 2010.0) (+FreeBSD = latest FreeBSD stable)</p><p>c) I needed to install Windows 7 just on last sunday (family pack)</p><p>Here is estimation of battery state in hourhs when WWW surfing, coding and compiling stuff (usually the 2. and 3.)</p><p>1. 1h 15min.<br>2. 1h<br>3. 5-6 hours</p><p>These are on FreeBSD and Linux and Windows XP.</p><p>Windows 7 gives these.</p><p>1. about 30-35 minutes.<br>2. None..... NONE!<br>3. 1.5-2 hours!!!</p><p>Okay.... is Microsoft now really saying that my 3 MONTHS OLD BATTERY (6-cells) is DYING? And that 1h battery what has worked fine with Linux OS from last 2.6.28-2.6.31 releases is ALREADY DEAD?</p><p>Why does Windows 7 eat the battery but when I boot to other software system I get just normal times?????</p><p>I have only one thing to say. Sorry about bad language (and typos!): Microsoft, GO TO YOURSELF!!! And I cant not even RETURN THE "#!"#! Family Pack!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay , I saw this in the news when it came .
I thought " Okay , some laptops seems to have problems .
" But I do not think so anymore .
Why ? a ) I have three laptops.1 .
4 years old ( 2006 ) , Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo A1645 ( windows 7 , Linux 2.6.31 ) 2 .
1.5 years old ( 2008 ) Acer Aspire 1520 ( Windows 7 , Linux 2.6.31 ) 3 .
3 months old ( 2009 ) Asus EeePC 1008HA ( Windows 7 , Windows XP , Linux 2.6.31 , latest stable FreeBSD ) ( Okay , they are not all mine , only the newest ) b ) I now run dual- or quadboot on every one of them with Windows 7 , Windows XP , + Linux 2.6.33 ( Distro = Mandriva 2010.0 ) ( + FreeBSD = latest FreeBSD stable ) c ) I needed to install Windows 7 just on last sunday ( family pack ) Here is estimation of battery state in hourhs when WWW surfing , coding and compiling stuff ( usually the 2. and 3. ) 1 .
1h 15min.2 .
1h3. 5-6 hoursThese are on FreeBSD and Linux and Windows XP.Windows 7 gives these.1 .
about 30-35 minutes.2 .
None..... NONE ! 3 .
1.5-2 hours ! ! ! Okay... .
is Microsoft now really saying that my 3 MONTHS OLD BATTERY ( 6-cells ) is DYING ?
And that 1h battery what has worked fine with Linux OS from last 2.6.28-2.6.31 releases is ALREADY DEAD ? Why does Windows 7 eat the battery but when I boot to other software system I get just normal times ? ? ? ?
? I have only one thing to say .
Sorry about bad language ( and typos !
) : Microsoft , GO TO YOURSELF ! ! !
And I cant not even RETURN THE " # ! " # !
Family Pack !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay, I saw this in the news when it came.
I thought "Okay, some laptops seems to have problems.
" But I do not think so anymore.
Why?a) I have three laptops.1.
4 years old (2006), Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo A1645 (windows 7, Linux 2.6.31)2.
1.5 years old (2008) Acer Aspire 1520 (Windows 7, Linux 2.6.31)3.
3 months old (2009) Asus EeePC 1008HA (Windows 7, Windows XP, Linux 2.6.31, latest stable FreeBSD)(Okay, they are not all mine, only the newest)b) I now run dual- or quadboot on every one of them with Windows 7, Windows XP, + Linux 2.6.33 (Distro = Mandriva 2010.0) (+FreeBSD = latest FreeBSD stable)c) I needed to install Windows 7 just on last sunday (family pack)Here is estimation of battery state in hourhs when WWW surfing, coding and compiling stuff (usually the 2. and 3.)1.
1h 15min.2.
1h3. 5-6 hoursThese are on FreeBSD and Linux and Windows XP.Windows 7 gives these.1.
about 30-35 minutes.2.
None..... NONE!3.
1.5-2 hours!!!Okay....
is Microsoft now really saying that my 3 MONTHS OLD BATTERY (6-cells) is DYING?
And that 1h battery what has worked fine with Linux OS from last 2.6.28-2.6.31 releases is ALREADY DEAD?Why does Windows 7 eat the battery but when I boot to other software system I get just normal times????
?I have only one thing to say.
Sorry about bad language (and typos!
): Microsoft, GO TO YOURSELF!!!
And I cant not even RETURN THE "#!"#!
Family Pack!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079072</id>
	<title>Re:Sheesh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265714760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so... you just referenced an article that proves Microsoft is lying. Huh... interesting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so... you just referenced an article that proves Microsoft is lying .
Huh... interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so... you just referenced an article that proves Microsoft is lying.
Huh... interesting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31089360</id>
	<title>Cricket</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265055120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The most of the users complaining aren't seeing a minor battery issue they are going from being able to constantly use their machine on battery power for 2.5-3 hours on xp/vista, then going directly to 5-15 minutes within a week or two using 7..its not a slow or minor issue, it's sudden and drastic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The most of the users complaining are n't seeing a minor battery issue they are going from being able to constantly use their machine on battery power for 2.5-3 hours on xp/vista , then going directly to 5-15 minutes within a week or two using 7..its not a slow or minor issue , it 's sudden and drastic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The most of the users complaining aren't seeing a minor battery issue they are going from being able to constantly use their machine on battery power for 2.5-3 hours on xp/vista, then going directly to 5-15 minutes within a week or two using 7..its not a slow or minor issue, it's sudden and drastic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079808</id>
	<title>Verification?</title>
	<author>hmmdar</author>
	<datestamp>1265718120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is there any other trusted third party software that can be used to verify what Microsoft is saying?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there any other trusted third party software that can be used to verify what Microsoft is saying ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there any other trusted third party software that can be used to verify what Microsoft is saying?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078968</id>
	<title>Seems sensible</title>
	<author>arikol</author>
	<datestamp>1265714280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The new OS has features which the old one didn't and now does more to inform the user about the computers state in an understandable manner.</p><p>Apple did something similar (I think it was with OS X Leopard) where suddenly lots of people got a "this battery needs servicing" type message. This was only due to Apple realizing the need for this feature to give real recommendations. Who knows at what health percentage a battery should be replaced?</p><p>Sounds like the windows team realized the same thing and decided to support the user in his decision making. That's great. No conspiracy needed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The new OS has features which the old one did n't and now does more to inform the user about the computers state in an understandable manner.Apple did something similar ( I think it was with OS X Leopard ) where suddenly lots of people got a " this battery needs servicing " type message .
This was only due to Apple realizing the need for this feature to give real recommendations .
Who knows at what health percentage a battery should be replaced ? Sounds like the windows team realized the same thing and decided to support the user in his decision making .
That 's great .
No conspiracy needed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The new OS has features which the old one didn't and now does more to inform the user about the computers state in an understandable manner.Apple did something similar (I think it was with OS X Leopard) where suddenly lots of people got a "this battery needs servicing" type message.
This was only due to Apple realizing the need for this feature to give real recommendations.
Who knows at what health percentage a battery should be replaced?Sounds like the windows team realized the same thing and decided to support the user in his decision making.
That's great.
No conspiracy needed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079062</id>
	<title>Re:We need more honestly dumb software.</title>
	<author>MBCook</author>
	<datestamp>1265714700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>40\% implies the battery is still useful. Unlike a gas tank which the 2nd to last gallon is as good as the first, once a battery hits 60\% or so it gets useless. Worse, the drop is exponential, so you can't say "60\% = 0\%" and scale things out. And since the time left depends on the current draw, 60\% for a typist compared to a YouTube addict.
</p><p>I'd say the real problem is this technology has been around for years but users haven't seen it until now. Their battery has been dying for years, their computer knew it, but it didn't tell them.
</p><p>The software isn't <i>trying</i> to be smart. It's telling you exactly what your manufacturer did. Let's use another car analogy.
</p><p>"Your tires are too low"
</p><p>You don't wait until your tires are at 2psi to fix them, you fix them THEN. It's a warning something catastrophic will happen soon (you can't rely on a charge to power your laptop long), not that something bad might happen sooner or later if maybe you don't do a ton. This seems better than someone charging their laptop and taking it on a business trip and finding out it's only good for 1/2 hour. "But the software said I had 60\% of my rated watt hours!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>40 \ % implies the battery is still useful .
Unlike a gas tank which the 2nd to last gallon is as good as the first , once a battery hits 60 \ % or so it gets useless .
Worse , the drop is exponential , so you ca n't say " 60 \ % = 0 \ % " and scale things out .
And since the time left depends on the current draw , 60 \ % for a typist compared to a YouTube addict .
I 'd say the real problem is this technology has been around for years but users have n't seen it until now .
Their battery has been dying for years , their computer knew it , but it did n't tell them .
The software is n't trying to be smart .
It 's telling you exactly what your manufacturer did .
Let 's use another car analogy .
" Your tires are too low " You do n't wait until your tires are at 2psi to fix them , you fix them THEN .
It 's a warning something catastrophic will happen soon ( you ca n't rely on a charge to power your laptop long ) , not that something bad might happen sooner or later if maybe you do n't do a ton .
This seems better than someone charging their laptop and taking it on a business trip and finding out it 's only good for 1/2 hour .
" But the software said I had 60 \ % of my rated watt hours !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>40\% implies the battery is still useful.
Unlike a gas tank which the 2nd to last gallon is as good as the first, once a battery hits 60\% or so it gets useless.
Worse, the drop is exponential, so you can't say "60\% = 0\%" and scale things out.
And since the time left depends on the current draw, 60\% for a typist compared to a YouTube addict.
I'd say the real problem is this technology has been around for years but users haven't seen it until now.
Their battery has been dying for years, their computer knew it, but it didn't tell them.
The software isn't trying to be smart.
It's telling you exactly what your manufacturer did.
Let's use another car analogy.
"Your tires are too low"
You don't wait until your tires are at 2psi to fix them, you fix them THEN.
It's a warning something catastrophic will happen soon (you can't rely on a charge to power your laptop long), not that something bad might happen sooner or later if maybe you don't do a ton.
This seems better than someone charging their laptop and taking it on a business trip and finding out it's only good for 1/2 hour.
"But the software said I had 60\% of my rated watt hours!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078308</id>
	<title>Wha??</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1265711520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>"To the very best of the collective ecosystem knowledge, Windows 7 is correctly warning batteries that are in fact failing and Windows 7 is neither incorrectly reporting on battery status nor in any way whatsoever causing batteries to reach this state."<br> <br>
Can a brother get some restrictive clauses and pronouns up in here?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" To the very best of the collective ecosystem knowledge , Windows 7 is correctly warning batteries that are in fact failing and Windows 7 is neither incorrectly reporting on battery status nor in any way whatsoever causing batteries to reach this state .
" Can a brother get some restrictive clauses and pronouns up in here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"To the very best of the collective ecosystem knowledge, Windows 7 is correctly warning batteries that are in fact failing and Windows 7 is neither incorrectly reporting on battery status nor in any way whatsoever causing batteries to reach this state.
" 
Can a brother get some restrictive clauses and pronouns up in here?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31082024</id>
	<title>Re:In other news, Republicans report ....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265736600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In other news, Republicans report that their party is not controlled by Jews</p></div><p>Don't let that theory stop you from accusing us of being anti-semetic...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In other news , Republicans report that their party is not controlled by JewsDo n't let that theory stop you from accusing us of being anti-semetic.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other news, Republicans report that their party is not controlled by JewsDon't let that theory stop you from accusing us of being anti-semetic...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31081330</id>
	<title>embroidery digitizing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265728740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We are as certain as we can be that we have addressed the root cause and concerns of this report, but we will continue to monitor the situation.</p><p> <a href="http://www.eagledigitizing.com/" title="eagledigitizing.com" rel="nofollow">Digitizing</a> [eagledigitizing.com] </p><p> <a href="http://www.eagledigitizing.com/" title="eagledigitizing.com" rel="nofollow">Embroidery digitizing</a> [eagledigitizing.com] </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We are as certain as we can be that we have addressed the root cause and concerns of this report , but we will continue to monitor the situation .
Digitizing [ eagledigitizing.com ] Embroidery digitizing [ eagledigitizing.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are as certain as we can be that we have addressed the root cause and concerns of this report, but we will continue to monitor the situation.
Digitizing [eagledigitizing.com]  Embroidery digitizing [eagledigitizing.com] </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078958</id>
	<title>Me thinks...</title>
	<author>someyob</author>
	<datestamp>1265714220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Me thinks thou dost protest too much.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Me thinks thou dost protest too much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Me thinks thou dost protest too much.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079398</id>
	<title>Oh really...?</title>
	<author>YankDownUnder</author>
	<datestamp>1265716020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Strange that. I just have hardware issues, then.
Because if on my Compaq C731TU running Windows 7, I get SQUAT for battery life, however, when I swap out the HD for my Fedora drive (oh yeah, exact same drive, too) and work with that, I have this amazingly long battery life (nearly three hours). So something MUST be wrong with my hardware. Possibly if I read all the tripe that Microsoft will publish on this particular issue, I'll be able to convince myself that they're right, and reality is wrong. OH wait, they do that anyway! Far out. Glad to know I'm wrong, my hardware is wrong, my OS is wrong, and well, Microsoft is right. Gee, thanks Steve Ballmer! You've shown me the light, yet again!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Strange that .
I just have hardware issues , then .
Because if on my Compaq C731TU running Windows 7 , I get SQUAT for battery life , however , when I swap out the HD for my Fedora drive ( oh yeah , exact same drive , too ) and work with that , I have this amazingly long battery life ( nearly three hours ) .
So something MUST be wrong with my hardware .
Possibly if I read all the tripe that Microsoft will publish on this particular issue , I 'll be able to convince myself that they 're right , and reality is wrong .
OH wait , they do that anyway !
Far out .
Glad to know I 'm wrong , my hardware is wrong , my OS is wrong , and well , Microsoft is right .
Gee , thanks Steve Ballmer !
You 've shown me the light , yet again !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Strange that.
I just have hardware issues, then.
Because if on my Compaq C731TU running Windows 7, I get SQUAT for battery life, however, when I swap out the HD for my Fedora drive (oh yeah, exact same drive, too) and work with that, I have this amazingly long battery life (nearly three hours).
So something MUST be wrong with my hardware.
Possibly if I read all the tripe that Microsoft will publish on this particular issue, I'll be able to convince myself that they're right, and reality is wrong.
OH wait, they do that anyway!
Far out.
Glad to know I'm wrong, my hardware is wrong, my OS is wrong, and well, Microsoft is right.
Gee, thanks Steve Ballmer!
You've shown me the light, yet again!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079374</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>Conchobair</author>
	<datestamp>1265715960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have to agree after 3 years working ISP tech support and hearing numerous customers blaming the ISP for giving them viruses.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to agree after 3 years working ISP tech support and hearing numerous customers blaming the ISP for giving them viruses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to agree after 3 years working ISP tech support and hearing numerous customers blaming the ISP for giving them viruses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078670</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>Kadaki</author>
	<datestamp>1265712960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, most of them probably just didn't notice the reduced battery life until this warning brought it to their attention.  When I upgraded my notebook's Windows partition to Windows 7 I started getting this message, but I started seeing the warning over a year before, whenever I booted Ubuntu.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , most of them probably just did n't notice the reduced battery life until this warning brought it to their attention .
When I upgraded my notebook 's Windows partition to Windows 7 I started getting this message , but I started seeing the warning over a year before , whenever I booted Ubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, most of them probably just didn't notice the reduced battery life until this warning brought it to their attention.
When I upgraded my notebook's Windows partition to Windows 7 I started getting this message, but I started seeing the warning over a year before, whenever I booted Ubuntu.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078924</id>
	<title>Re:Must be the newest OS fad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265714040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Two completely different OS's both suffering from the same style of issue in their newest product.</p></div><p>The problem is as old as laptops themselves.  Look at all the entertainment linux laptop users have had for decades now.</p><p>Here is the problem:</p><p>1) Laptop mfgr only make the ACPI stuff work just barely well enough on a good day to sometimes work on the version of windows the laptop shipped with.</p><p>2) Laptop mfgr has no motivation to patch, if anything they'd tell you to buy a new one.</p><p>3) Even for vertically integrated companies (Apple) its entirely possible they don't have a stable of every combination of hardware and BIOS/EFI/firmware they've ever sold.  And/or testing accidentally skipped the wrong one.</p><p>Its odd how generally speaking, no one screws up the keyboard port, which on PCs is a hideously complicated synchronous serial microcontroller based thingy with A20 gates and such and even worse its often done in emulation and converted over USB, but generally speaking, almost everyone screws up battery monitoring, which need be little more than a single port A/D converter.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Two completely different OS 's both suffering from the same style of issue in their newest product.The problem is as old as laptops themselves .
Look at all the entertainment linux laptop users have had for decades now.Here is the problem : 1 ) Laptop mfgr only make the ACPI stuff work just barely well enough on a good day to sometimes work on the version of windows the laptop shipped with.2 ) Laptop mfgr has no motivation to patch , if anything they 'd tell you to buy a new one.3 ) Even for vertically integrated companies ( Apple ) its entirely possible they do n't have a stable of every combination of hardware and BIOS/EFI/firmware they 've ever sold .
And/or testing accidentally skipped the wrong one.Its odd how generally speaking , no one screws up the keyboard port , which on PCs is a hideously complicated synchronous serial microcontroller based thingy with A20 gates and such and even worse its often done in emulation and converted over USB , but generally speaking , almost everyone screws up battery monitoring , which need be little more than a single port A/D converter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two completely different OS's both suffering from the same style of issue in their newest product.The problem is as old as laptops themselves.
Look at all the entertainment linux laptop users have had for decades now.Here is the problem:1) Laptop mfgr only make the ACPI stuff work just barely well enough on a good day to sometimes work on the version of windows the laptop shipped with.2) Laptop mfgr has no motivation to patch, if anything they'd tell you to buy a new one.3) Even for vertically integrated companies (Apple) its entirely possible they don't have a stable of every combination of hardware and BIOS/EFI/firmware they've ever sold.
And/or testing accidentally skipped the wrong one.Its odd how generally speaking, no one screws up the keyboard port, which on PCs is a hideously complicated synchronous serial microcontroller based thingy with A20 gates and such and even worse its often done in emulation and converted over USB, but generally speaking, almost everyone screws up battery monitoring, which need be little more than a single port A/D converter.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078204</id>
	<title>almost fooled me...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265711100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I got excited for a minute because I thought the header read "Microsoft Says Windows 7 Not Killing Babies".</p><p>That would have been interesting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I got excited for a minute because I thought the header read " Microsoft Says Windows 7 Not Killing Babies " .That would have been interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got excited for a minute because I thought the header read "Microsoft Says Windows 7 Not Killing Babies".That would have been interesting.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078368</id>
	<title>In other news, Republicans report ....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265711700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In other news, Republicans report that their party is not controlled by Jews</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In other news , Republicans report that their party is not controlled by Jews</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other news, Republicans report that their party is not controlled by Jews</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31081236</id>
	<title>Telltale crumbs</title>
	<author>chicago\_scott</author>
	<datestamp>1265727840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"To the very best of the collective ecosystem knowledge..."</p><p>Any statement that begins like that is surely BS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" To the very best of the collective ecosystem knowledge... " Any statement that begins like that is surely BS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"To the very best of the collective ecosystem knowledge..."Any statement that begins like that is surely BS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079412</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>harlows\_monkeys</author>
	<datestamp>1265716140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> It's been my experience that the software that reports a problem will get blamed for causing the problem</p></div><p>I've seen that quite a bit. I work at a small anti-virus/anti-spyware company.</p><p>If our software finds a problem that McAfee or Symantec misses, out come the accusations that we have a deliberate false positive to scare the user into buying the product, or even worse, the accusations that we actually put the virus on the system.</p><p>On the other hand, if we fail to find a problem that McAfee or Symantec reports (even if it is a false positive), out come the accusations that our product does a poor job of detecting problems!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's been my experience that the software that reports a problem will get blamed for causing the problemI 've seen that quite a bit .
I work at a small anti-virus/anti-spyware company.If our software finds a problem that McAfee or Symantec misses , out come the accusations that we have a deliberate false positive to scare the user into buying the product , or even worse , the accusations that we actually put the virus on the system.On the other hand , if we fail to find a problem that McAfee or Symantec reports ( even if it is a false positive ) , out come the accusations that our product does a poor job of detecting problems !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> It's been my experience that the software that reports a problem will get blamed for causing the problemI've seen that quite a bit.
I work at a small anti-virus/anti-spyware company.If our software finds a problem that McAfee or Symantec misses, out come the accusations that we have a deliberate false positive to scare the user into buying the product, or even worse, the accusations that we actually put the virus on the system.On the other hand, if we fail to find a problem that McAfee or Symantec reports (even if it is a false positive), out come the accusations that our product does a poor job of detecting problems!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31080976</id>
	<title>The Borg have spoken...</title>
	<author>number6x</author>
	<datestamp>1265725860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"To the very best of the collective ecosystem knowledge,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..."</p></div><p>The collective has spoked.
</p><p>Your battery has been assimilated to power the collective.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" To the very best of the collective ecosystem knowledge , ... " The collective has spoked .
Your battery has been assimilated to power the collective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"To the very best of the collective ecosystem knowledge, ..."The collective has spoked.
Your battery has been assimilated to power the collective.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078484</id>
	<title>It happened to me!!</title>
	<author>Xanator</author>
	<datestamp>1265712180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually this problem actually happened to me, I updated my HP notebook from Vista to windows 7 and within a week it told me my battery was useless, to be honest it never occurred to me that it could be a problem with the OS, specially since days later the video card melted, so the battery problem didn't seem that important compared to the dead video card<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(, still saving to fix that laptop, i really liked it</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually this problem actually happened to me , I updated my HP notebook from Vista to windows 7 and within a week it told me my battery was useless , to be honest it never occurred to me that it could be a problem with the OS , specially since days later the video card melted , so the battery problem did n't seem that important compared to the dead video card : ( , still saving to fix that laptop , i really liked it</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually this problem actually happened to me, I updated my HP notebook from Vista to windows 7 and within a week it told me my battery was useless, to be honest it never occurred to me that it could be a problem with the OS, specially since days later the video card melted, so the battery problem didn't seem that important compared to the dead video card :(, still saving to fix that laptop, i really liked it</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31093508</id>
	<title>Re:similar story with Fedora and hard drives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265032320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Palimpsest is a pile of crap. I had the same thing and dug a little deeper and the drive was fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Palimpsest is a pile of crap .
I had the same thing and dug a little deeper and the drive was fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Palimpsest is a pile of crap.
I had the same thing and dug a little deeper and the drive was fine.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078240</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078396</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>Hijacked Public</author>
	<datestamp>1265711820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, you don't expect to find people with Premier Ultimate support contacts on an FOSS geared site.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , you do n't expect to find people with Premier Ultimate support contacts on an FOSS geared site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, you don't expect to find people with Premier Ultimate support contacts on an FOSS geared site.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078116</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31080056</id>
	<title>Re:Not news - just like last time</title>
	<author>stimpleton</author>
	<datestamp>1265719560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>What's news here? Microsoft gets vague claims than win7 is killing batteries</i>
<br> <br>No!. Read posts just above yours. Win7 is killing <i> <strong>babies!</strong> </i></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's news here ?
Microsoft gets vague claims than win7 is killing batteries No ! .
Read posts just above yours .
Win7 is killing babies !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's news here?
Microsoft gets vague claims than win7 is killing batteries
 No!.
Read posts just above yours.
Win7 is killing  babies! </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078236</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078174</id>
	<title>Windows 7 is correctly warning batteries?</title>
	<author>maxwell demon</author>
	<datestamp>1265711040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So what does it tell them? "Hey, you seem to be failing. Do you need me to help you?"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So what does it tell them ?
" Hey , you seem to be failing .
Do you need me to help you ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what does it tell them?
"Hey, you seem to be failing.
Do you need me to help you?
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078756</id>
	<title>We need more honestly dumb software.</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1265713320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows Seven's problem is not that it's doing the wrong thing, it's because it's trying to be too smart about it. It's not smart. It's stupid. A laptop computer (running ANY OS) isn't as smart as a lizard.</p><p>But its user's smart. If your software is stupid (and all software is stupid), and the user is smart (and all users are smarter than their computer, even when they're stupid) then you're better off admitting it than trying to fake it.</p><p>Instead of popping up a "your battery might be about to fail", give us a gas gauge. "Your battery has only [====&gt; 40\% ---] of original capacity". Show that for *all* batteries. Let people pop that up even if there's no problem. Let people be smart about it. Or even... let people be dumb about it.</p><p>You might find that people are more willing to replace batteries when they get down to 20\%. You might think that's stupid. And it may be stupid. But it's still smarter than stupid software trying to be smart.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows Seven 's problem is not that it 's doing the wrong thing , it 's because it 's trying to be too smart about it .
It 's not smart .
It 's stupid .
A laptop computer ( running ANY OS ) is n't as smart as a lizard.But its user 's smart .
If your software is stupid ( and all software is stupid ) , and the user is smart ( and all users are smarter than their computer , even when they 're stupid ) then you 're better off admitting it than trying to fake it.Instead of popping up a " your battery might be about to fail " , give us a gas gauge .
" Your battery has only [ = = = = &gt; 40 \ % --- ] of original capacity " .
Show that for * all * batteries .
Let people pop that up even if there 's no problem .
Let people be smart about it .
Or even... let people be dumb about it.You might find that people are more willing to replace batteries when they get down to 20 \ % .
You might think that 's stupid .
And it may be stupid .
But it 's still smarter than stupid software trying to be smart .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows Seven's problem is not that it's doing the wrong thing, it's because it's trying to be too smart about it.
It's not smart.
It's stupid.
A laptop computer (running ANY OS) isn't as smart as a lizard.But its user's smart.
If your software is stupid (and all software is stupid), and the user is smart (and all users are smarter than their computer, even when they're stupid) then you're better off admitting it than trying to fake it.Instead of popping up a "your battery might be about to fail", give us a gas gauge.
"Your battery has only [====&gt; 40\% ---] of original capacity".
Show that for *all* batteries.
Let people pop that up even if there's no problem.
Let people be smart about it.
Or even... let people be dumb about it.You might find that people are more willing to replace batteries when they get down to 20\%.
You might think that's stupid.
And it may be stupid.
But it's still smarter than stupid software trying to be smart.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079382</id>
	<title>Re:We need more honestly dumb software.</title>
	<author>flatrock</author>
	<datestamp>1265715960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're assuming that Windows gets such information from the BIOS.  How does Windows even know what the original capacity is?  It appears the BIOS is indicating that the battery is no longer working within specifications.  Windows doesn't even know what those specifications are unless that's something it can read from the hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're assuming that Windows gets such information from the BIOS .
How does Windows even know what the original capacity is ?
It appears the BIOS is indicating that the battery is no longer working within specifications .
Windows does n't even know what those specifications are unless that 's something it can read from the hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're assuming that Windows gets such information from the BIOS.
How does Windows even know what the original capacity is?
It appears the BIOS is indicating that the battery is no longer working within specifications.
Windows doesn't even know what those specifications are unless that's something it can read from the hardware.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078756</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078156</id>
	<title>LOL!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265710980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple sucks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple sucks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple sucks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31080696</id>
	<title>Re:We need more honestly dumb software.</title>
	<author>trouser</author>
	<datestamp>1265723700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Smarter than a dead lizard. Can't play minesweeper on a lizard. Lizards don't even have batteries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Smarter than a dead lizard .
Ca n't play minesweeper on a lizard .
Lizards do n't even have batteries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Smarter than a dead lizard.
Can't play minesweeper on a lizard.
Lizards don't even have batteries.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078756</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079400</id>
	<title>sure ... just like Toyota</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265716020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(Most) people weren't complaining that Windows 7 said their battery needed to be replaced when it didn't, they were complaining that their battery didn't need to be replaced before they operated it under Windows 7 and then their battery abruptly did need to be replaced once they started operating it under Windows 7.</p><p>So the MSDN team hasn't said anything contradicting the bug reports and hasn't (apparently) done the only thing that can identify whether the bug reports were or were not valid -- distribute a tool for use under Windows XP and Windows Vista to capture data on whether or not the battery needs replacement so that the pre-Windows 7 condition of the battery could be compared with the post-Windows 7 condition.</p><p>It's as if Toyota had issued a response to people's claims of sudden over-acceleration (almost none of the complaints alleged that Toyotas were accelerating from a standstill on their own) saying: "We've confirmed that in every case where the vehicle accelerated the operator's foot was pressing on the accelerator at the time the acceleration began so there is no fault."  Well, duh, that wasn't the complaint.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( Most ) people were n't complaining that Windows 7 said their battery needed to be replaced when it did n't , they were complaining that their battery did n't need to be replaced before they operated it under Windows 7 and then their battery abruptly did need to be replaced once they started operating it under Windows 7.So the MSDN team has n't said anything contradicting the bug reports and has n't ( apparently ) done the only thing that can identify whether the bug reports were or were not valid -- distribute a tool for use under Windows XP and Windows Vista to capture data on whether or not the battery needs replacement so that the pre-Windows 7 condition of the battery could be compared with the post-Windows 7 condition.It 's as if Toyota had issued a response to people 's claims of sudden over-acceleration ( almost none of the complaints alleged that Toyotas were accelerating from a standstill on their own ) saying : " We 've confirmed that in every case where the vehicle accelerated the operator 's foot was pressing on the accelerator at the time the acceleration began so there is no fault .
" Well , duh , that was n't the complaint .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(Most) people weren't complaining that Windows 7 said their battery needed to be replaced when it didn't, they were complaining that their battery didn't need to be replaced before they operated it under Windows 7 and then their battery abruptly did need to be replaced once they started operating it under Windows 7.So the MSDN team hasn't said anything contradicting the bug reports and hasn't (apparently) done the only thing that can identify whether the bug reports were or were not valid -- distribute a tool for use under Windows XP and Windows Vista to capture data on whether or not the battery needs replacement so that the pre-Windows 7 condition of the battery could be compared with the post-Windows 7 condition.It's as if Toyota had issued a response to people's claims of sudden over-acceleration (almost none of the complaints alleged that Toyotas were accelerating from a standstill on their own) saying: "We've confirmed that in every case where the vehicle accelerated the operator's foot was pressing on the accelerator at the time the acceleration began so there is no fault.
"  Well, duh, that wasn't the complaint.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078236</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078278</id>
	<title>Must be the newest OS fad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265711460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>First Apple had laptop battery issues with OS 10.6 (http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2139186&amp;tstart=0) and now it's Microsoft with Windows 7. Two completely different OS's both suffering from the same style of issue in their newest product. Are they both using a shared driver code in their newest OS that is causing this?  Did they only implemented in these changes in these new OS's or did they get patched in their older OS's too?</htmltext>
<tokenext>First Apple had laptop battery issues with OS 10.6 ( http : //discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa ? threadID = 2139186&amp;tstart = 0 ) and now it 's Microsoft with Windows 7 .
Two completely different OS 's both suffering from the same style of issue in their newest product .
Are they both using a shared driver code in their newest OS that is causing this ?
Did they only implemented in these changes in these new OS 's or did they get patched in their older OS 's too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First Apple had laptop battery issues with OS 10.6 (http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2139186&amp;tstart=0) and now it's Microsoft with Windows 7.
Two completely different OS's both suffering from the same style of issue in their newest product.
Are they both using a shared driver code in their newest OS that is causing this?
Did they only implemented in these changes in these new OS's or did they get patched in their older OS's too?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078722</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>Chris\_Mir</author>
	<datestamp>1265713140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pretty similar to multi-tier software development, where business logic is developed separately from the user interface. I'm doing the latter and guess who gets all the bug reports?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pretty similar to multi-tier software development , where business logic is developed separately from the user interface .
I 'm doing the latter and guess who gets all the bug reports ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pretty similar to multi-tier software development, where business logic is developed separately from the user interface.
I'm doing the latter and guess who gets all the bug reports?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078442</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31080176</id>
	<title>Re:similar story with Fedora and hard drives</title>
	<author>karnal</author>
	<datestamp>1265720340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I did the same thing with Ubuntu.  Booted into it after ignoring it for a few months - since it's a laptop, it's usually running XP for my wife's Facebook escapades.  Drive had thousands of write errors - apparently recorded by the hard drive.</p><p>Windows didn't let me know about it.  Durrrrr.  Maybe there's an app to load to do that; however that same evening I jumped on newegg and ordered a new laptop drive (IDE - older laptop.)  Still running just fine!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did the same thing with Ubuntu .
Booted into it after ignoring it for a few months - since it 's a laptop , it 's usually running XP for my wife 's Facebook escapades .
Drive had thousands of write errors - apparently recorded by the hard drive.Windows did n't let me know about it .
Durrrrr. Maybe there 's an app to load to do that ; however that same evening I jumped on newegg and ordered a new laptop drive ( IDE - older laptop .
) Still running just fine !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did the same thing with Ubuntu.
Booted into it after ignoring it for a few months - since it's a laptop, it's usually running XP for my wife's Facebook escapades.
Drive had thousands of write errors - apparently recorded by the hard drive.Windows didn't let me know about it.
Durrrrr.  Maybe there's an app to load to do that; however that same evening I jumped on newegg and ordered a new laptop drive (IDE - older laptop.
)  Still running just fine!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078240</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078168</id>
	<title>It would have been a story if...</title>
	<author>MickyTheIdiot</author>
	<datestamp>1265711040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...Microsoft had actually admitted a problem.</p><p>An American corporation covering up a mistake in their product is regular business.  For MS that goes double.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...Microsoft had actually admitted a problem.An American corporation covering up a mistake in their product is regular business .
For MS that goes double .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...Microsoft had actually admitted a problem.An American corporation covering up a mistake in their product is regular business.
For MS that goes double.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078780</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1265713380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Windows is not at fault. Hardware or 3rd party software always is</i> </p><p>That's generally a fair assumption with any OS.</p><p>Win 7 has about eight to ten percent of the global market. <a href="http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers\_os.asp" title="w3schools.com">OS Platform Statistics</a> [w3schools.com] </p><p>That translates into a hell of a lot of laptops and a good many batteries that were well past there past their prime before Win 7 was installed. But there have been only a few hundred complaints.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows is not at fault .
Hardware or 3rd party software always is That 's generally a fair assumption with any OS.Win 7 has about eight to ten percent of the global market .
OS Platform Statistics [ w3schools.com ] That translates into a hell of a lot of laptops and a good many batteries that were well past there past their prime before Win 7 was installed .
But there have been only a few hundred complaints .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows is not at fault.
Hardware or 3rd party software always is That's generally a fair assumption with any OS.Win 7 has about eight to ten percent of the global market.
OS Platform Statistics [w3schools.com] That translates into a hell of a lot of laptops and a good many batteries that were well past there past their prime before Win 7 was installed.
But there have been only a few hundred complaints.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078116</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078998</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>NicknamesAreStupid</author>
	<datestamp>1265714400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The price of success.  My operating system has never been criticized, but of course no one has ever seen it.  BTW, it doesn't do much either.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The price of success .
My operating system has never been criticized , but of course no one has ever seen it .
BTW , it does n't do much either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The price of success.
My operating system has never been criticized, but of course no one has ever seen it.
BTW, it doesn't do much either.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078420</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31082886</id>
	<title>What is a prolly?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265056980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Something a troll does?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Something a troll does ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something a troll does?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079172</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31081314</id>
	<title>Batteries.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265728560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Scince I installed Windows 7 on my Acer, it refuses to charge my batteries. Acer says that it's a Windows 7 problem, Microsoft says it is not a Windows 7 problem. I have installed all drivers. Acer then says I should not install Windows 7 because it is not what the laptop came with.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... Grah.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Scince I installed Windows 7 on my Acer , it refuses to charge my batteries .
Acer says that it 's a Windows 7 problem , Microsoft says it is not a Windows 7 problem .
I have installed all drivers .
Acer then says I should not install Windows 7 because it is not what the laptop came with .
.... Grah .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Scince I installed Windows 7 on my Acer, it refuses to charge my batteries.
Acer says that it's a Windows 7 problem, Microsoft says it is not a Windows 7 problem.
I have installed all drivers.
Acer then says I should not install Windows 7 because it is not what the laptop came with.
.... Grah.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31080792</id>
	<title>Re:Lamest blog ever</title>
	<author>Tawnos</author>
	<datestamp>1265724360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It was quite active during the engineering of Win7. Post-RTM perhaps it should be called the Windows7SE (sustained engineering) blog.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was quite active during the engineering of Win7 .
Post-RTM perhaps it should be called the Windows7SE ( sustained engineering ) blog .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was quite active during the engineering of Win7.
Post-RTM perhaps it should be called the Windows7SE (sustained engineering) blog.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078708</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078304</id>
	<title>In related news</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1265711520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Umbrella Corp says that its virus is not causing people to turn into zombies. However, we were unable to get more information from their spokesman, as he was killed by zombie dogs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Umbrella Corp says that its virus is not causing people to turn into zombies .
However , we were unable to get more information from their spokesman , as he was killed by zombie dogs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umbrella Corp says that its virus is not causing people to turn into zombies.
However, we were unable to get more information from their spokesman, as he was killed by zombie dogs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078632</id>
	<title>Re:Windows 7 is correctly warning batteries?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265712840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FTFA: </p><p><div class="quote"><p>PC batteries expose information about battery capacity and health through the system firmware...The firmware provides information on the battery including manufacturer, serial number, design capacity and last full charge capacity.  The last two pieces of information&mdash;design capacity and last full charge capacity&mdash;are the information Windows 7 uses to determine how much the battery has naturally degraded.</p></div><p>To summarize: Windows is reporting that the actual battery charge is *gasp* less than the manufacturers claim!</p><p><div class="quote"><p>This notification is new to Windows 7 and not available in Windows Vista or Windows XP.</p></div><p>Before Windows 7 your battery life slowly died out over a year or so. Now there is a handy system tray icon telling you it's happening!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>FTFA : PC batteries expose information about battery capacity and health through the system firmware...The firmware provides information on the battery including manufacturer , serial number , design capacity and last full charge capacity .
The last two pieces of information    design capacity and last full charge capacity    are the information Windows 7 uses to determine how much the battery has naturally degraded.To summarize : Windows is reporting that the actual battery charge is * gasp * less than the manufacturers claim ! This notification is new to Windows 7 and not available in Windows Vista or Windows XP.Before Windows 7 your battery life slowly died out over a year or so .
Now there is a handy system tray icon telling you it 's happening !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTFA: PC batteries expose information about battery capacity and health through the system firmware...The firmware provides information on the battery including manufacturer, serial number, design capacity and last full charge capacity.
The last two pieces of information—design capacity and last full charge capacity—are the information Windows 7 uses to determine how much the battery has naturally degraded.To summarize: Windows is reporting that the actual battery charge is *gasp* less than the manufacturers claim!This notification is new to Windows 7 and not available in Windows Vista or Windows XP.Before Windows 7 your battery life slowly died out over a year or so.
Now there is a handy system tray icon telling you it's happening!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079228</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>Idbar</author>
	<datestamp>1265715360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Microsoft Says Windows 7 Not Killing Batteries</i> <br>
My guess is that batteries are killing themselves as soon as they know they are powering a Windows machine. They have become quite intelligent now.<br> <br>Kidding, kidding!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft Says Windows 7 Not Killing Batteries My guess is that batteries are killing themselves as soon as they know they are powering a Windows machine .
They have become quite intelligent now .
Kidding , kidding !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft Says Windows 7 Not Killing Batteries 
My guess is that batteries are killing themselves as soon as they know they are powering a Windows machine.
They have become quite intelligent now.
Kidding, kidding!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078116</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078754</id>
	<title>Re:Sheesh.</title>
	<author>Stregano</author>
	<datestamp>1265713260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait, an undead battery?  Like a zombie battery?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , an undead battery ?
Like a zombie battery ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, an undead battery?
Like a zombie battery?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078264</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079184</id>
	<title>Re:We need more honestly dumb software.</title>
	<author>Cryacin</author>
	<datestamp>1265715240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The smart treating the stupid as stupid and the smart as smart, rather than the stupid as smart and the smart as stupid!<br>
<br>
GENIUS!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>The smart treating the stupid as stupid and the smart as smart , rather than the stupid as smart and the smart as stupid !
GENIUS ! ! !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The smart treating the stupid as stupid and the smart as smart, rather than the stupid as smart and the smart as stupid!
GENIUS!!!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078756</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31080908</id>
	<title>of course</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265725440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course since its M$ saying this, then the exact opposite of what they say is true!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course since its M $ saying this , then the exact opposite of what they say is true !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course since its M$ saying this, then the exact opposite of what they say is true!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31084862</id>
	<title>Vista?</title>
	<author>Vegeta99</author>
	<datestamp>1265035860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did Vista ever report battery issues? I don't believe it did, as my Ubuntu installation has <i>always</i> told me my battery was shot, the Windows partition, come to think of it, didn't until just recently. It must have been when I upgraded to 7!</p><p>Maybe all these people whining about their batteries being shot just upgraded?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did Vista ever report battery issues ?
I do n't believe it did , as my Ubuntu installation has always told me my battery was shot , the Windows partition , come to think of it , did n't until just recently .
It must have been when I upgraded to 7 ! Maybe all these people whining about their batteries being shot just upgraded ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did Vista ever report battery issues?
I don't believe it did, as my Ubuntu installation has always told me my battery was shot, the Windows partition, come to think of it, didn't until just recently.
It must have been when I upgraded to 7!Maybe all these people whining about their batteries being shot just upgraded?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31085398</id>
	<title>excellent doublespeak</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265038560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"To the very best of the collective ecosystem knowledge"</p><p>They're really trying to sound like an open source project with a community around them.  In reality, "collective ecosystem knowledge" is just the knowledge of the two Microsoft employees that wrote the code.</p><p>- AC</p><p>is it solipsistic in here, or is it just me?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" To the very best of the collective ecosystem knowledge " They 're really trying to sound like an open source project with a community around them .
In reality , " collective ecosystem knowledge " is just the knowledge of the two Microsoft employees that wrote the code.- ACis it solipsistic in here , or is it just me ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"To the very best of the collective ecosystem knowledge"They're really trying to sound like an open source project with a community around them.
In reality, "collective ecosystem knowledge" is just the knowledge of the two Microsoft employees that wrote the code.- ACis it solipsistic in here, or is it just me?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078420</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265711880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't tell if you are joking or not.  I mean if a hard drive sector gets corrupt where a set of critical files are and on boot it can't recover them or load them from cache because that is corrupt as well, is that Microsoft's fault if the OS starts crashing?  If memory is failing causing a BSOD is that Microsoft's fault?  If the video card's VRAM is faulty and is causing the system to crash is that MS's fault?<br>The laptop flies off the top of someone's car roof after they left it there before driving off....yep  Its MS's fault once again.<br>Seriously.  There is a crap load MS can be blamed for over the years.  But hardware?  cut them a bit of slack on a few things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't tell if you are joking or not .
I mean if a hard drive sector gets corrupt where a set of critical files are and on boot it ca n't recover them or load them from cache because that is corrupt as well , is that Microsoft 's fault if the OS starts crashing ?
If memory is failing causing a BSOD is that Microsoft 's fault ?
If the video card 's VRAM is faulty and is causing the system to crash is that MS 's fault ? The laptop flies off the top of someone 's car roof after they left it there before driving off....yep Its MS 's fault once again.Seriously .
There is a crap load MS can be blamed for over the years .
But hardware ?
cut them a bit of slack on a few things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't tell if you are joking or not.
I mean if a hard drive sector gets corrupt where a set of critical files are and on boot it can't recover them or load them from cache because that is corrupt as well, is that Microsoft's fault if the OS starts crashing?
If memory is failing causing a BSOD is that Microsoft's fault?
If the video card's VRAM is faulty and is causing the system to crash is that MS's fault?The laptop flies off the top of someone's car roof after they left it there before driving off....yep  Its MS's fault once again.Seriously.
There is a crap load MS can be blamed for over the years.
But hardware?
cut them a bit of slack on a few things.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078116</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079520</id>
	<title>Re:We need more honestly dumb software.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265716560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm no English major but I'm pretty sure when it's a proper noun you don't spell out the number, even if it's less than 10.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm no English major but I 'm pretty sure when it 's a proper noun you do n't spell out the number , even if it 's less than 10 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm no English major but I'm pretty sure when it's a proper noun you don't spell out the number, even if it's less than 10.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078756</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078708</id>
	<title>Lamest blog ever</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265713080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is it just me, or does the Windows 7 engineering blog post strike you as a bit<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... defensive?<blockquote><div><p>As we have talked about many times, we have a relentless focus on the quality of Windows 7 and we take seriously any reports we receive that indicate a potential problem that could result in a significant failure of the OS.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>

Talked about many times?  Maybe in meetings at Microsoft HQ, but not on that blog (whose previous update was August 2009).  Which is a pity, because blogging about how to achieve quality in a product as complex as Windows 7 could be downright interesting.  This really seems like a missed opportunity to improve Microsoft's image with the technically literate audience.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just me , or does the Windows 7 engineering blog post strike you as a bit ... defensive ? As we have talked about many times , we have a relentless focus on the quality of Windows 7 and we take seriously any reports we receive that indicate a potential problem that could result in a significant failure of the OS .
Talked about many times ?
Maybe in meetings at Microsoft HQ , but not on that blog ( whose previous update was August 2009 ) .
Which is a pity , because blogging about how to achieve quality in a product as complex as Windows 7 could be downright interesting .
This really seems like a missed opportunity to improve Microsoft 's image with the technically literate audience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just me, or does the Windows 7 engineering blog post strike you as a bit ... defensive?As we have talked about many times, we have a relentless focus on the quality of Windows 7 and we take seriously any reports we receive that indicate a potential problem that could result in a significant failure of the OS.
Talked about many times?
Maybe in meetings at Microsoft HQ, but not on that blog (whose previous update was August 2009).
Which is a pity, because blogging about how to achieve quality in a product as complex as Windows 7 could be downright interesting.
This really seems like a missed opportunity to improve Microsoft's image with the technically literate audience.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31083328</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265018760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My battery was already drained with Vista and 7 told me the message.<br>BTW, it fried in less than an year, but I'm on an overheating DELL E6400 so anything could be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My battery was already drained with Vista and 7 told me the message.BTW , it fried in less than an year , but I 'm on an overheating DELL E6400 so anything could be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My battery was already drained with Vista and 7 told me the message.BTW, it fried in less than an year, but I'm on an overheating DELL E6400 so anything could be.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078670</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31081252</id>
	<title>Re:Of course it's not</title>
	<author>SittingUnderBridge</author>
	<datestamp>1265728020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How is this not a troll and yet it gets modded insightful? Truly shameful, glaring abuse of the moderation system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How is this not a troll and yet it gets modded insightful ?
Truly shameful , glaring abuse of the moderation system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is this not a troll and yet it gets modded insightful?
Truly shameful, glaring abuse of the moderation system.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079172</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31081206</id>
	<title>Don't buy it.</title>
	<author>balbord</author>
	<datestamp>1265727480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My Asus A6VA had ~2 hours of battery with win 2003 Server or XP. Two months after I installed Win 7 all I get is roughly 20~30 minutes.<br>Bastards!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My Asus A6VA had ~ 2 hours of battery with win 2003 Server or XP .
Two months after I installed Win 7 all I get is roughly 20 ~ 30 minutes.Bastards !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Asus A6VA had ~2 hours of battery with win 2003 Server or XP.
Two months after I installed Win 7 all I get is roughly 20~30 minutes.Bastards!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078434</id>
	<title>Not dead</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265711940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>     Microsoft: Oh yes, the, uh, the Battery...What's,uh...What's wrong with it?<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Laptop owner: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead, that's what's wrong with it!<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Microsoft: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Laptop owner: Look, matey, I know a dead battery when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Microsoft: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkably charged, the Battery, idn'it, ay? Beautiful plumage!<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Laptop owner: The plumage don't enter into it. It's stone dead.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Microsoft: Nononono, no, no! 'E's resting!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft : Oh yes , the , uh , the Battery...What 's,uh...What 's wrong with it ?
          Laptop owner : I 'll tell you what 's wrong with it , my lad .
'E 's dead , that 's what 's wrong with it !
          Microsoft : No , no , 'e 's uh,...he 's resting .
          Laptop owner : Look , matey , I know a dead battery when I see one , and I 'm looking at one right now .
          Microsoft : No no he 's not dead , he 's , he 's restin ' !
Remarkably charged , the Battery , idn'it , ay ?
Beautiful plumage !
          Laptop owner : The plumage do n't enter into it .
It 's stone dead .
          Microsoft : Nononono , no , no !
'E 's resting !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>     Microsoft: Oh yes, the, uh, the Battery...What's,uh...What's wrong with it?
          Laptop owner: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad.
'E's dead, that's what's wrong with it!
          Microsoft: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.
          Laptop owner: Look, matey, I know a dead battery when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.
          Microsoft: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'!
Remarkably charged, the Battery, idn'it, ay?
Beautiful plumage!
          Laptop owner: The plumage don't enter into it.
It's stone dead.
          Microsoft: Nononono, no, no!
'E's resting!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078972</id>
	<title>Re:Not dead</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265714280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Microsoft: Bring out your dead batteries.<br>
Microsoft: Here's one.<br>
Customer: It's not dead.<br>
Microsoft: Yes it is.<br>
Customer: But it still holds a little charge.<br>
Microsoft: Not really. It's as good as dead.<br>
Customer: Look! It plays YouTube for over 2 minutes.<br>
Microsoft: It's dead. Do we need to come back later?<br>
Customer: But it's still good. It's happy!<br>
Microsoft: *THWACK*<br>
Microsoft: There. Now it's dead.<br>
Customer: You killed my battery!<br>
Microsoft: No we didn't. It was already dead.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft : Bring out your dead batteries .
Microsoft : Here 's one .
Customer : It 's not dead .
Microsoft : Yes it is .
Customer : But it still holds a little charge .
Microsoft : Not really .
It 's as good as dead .
Customer : Look !
It plays YouTube for over 2 minutes .
Microsoft : It 's dead .
Do we need to come back later ?
Customer : But it 's still good .
It 's happy !
Microsoft : * THWACK * Microsoft : There .
Now it 's dead .
Customer : You killed my battery !
Microsoft : No we did n't .
It was already dead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft: Bring out your dead batteries.
Microsoft: Here's one.
Customer: It's not dead.
Microsoft: Yes it is.
Customer: But it still holds a little charge.
Microsoft: Not really.
It's as good as dead.
Customer: Look!
It plays YouTube for over 2 minutes.
Microsoft: It's dead.
Do we need to come back later?
Customer: But it's still good.
It's happy!
Microsoft: *THWACK*
Microsoft: There.
Now it's dead.
Customer: You killed my battery!
Microsoft: No we didn't.
It was already dead.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078434</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31085584</id>
	<title>Re:Batteries and their lifespan</title>
	<author>Insightfill</author>
	<datestamp>1265039280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>And one of the main things I've observed lately is that sometimes it's the battery chargers that are ultimately the issue when problems start to become reoccurring.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Good article <a href="http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/hayles/charge1.html" title="angelfire.com">here</a> [angelfire.com] on how to build your own smarter battery charger.  They guy who put the article together recounts how his power tool batteries kept going bad.  In passing he mentions that the charger that comes with many batteries isn't always compatible with the batteries, or that they sometimes are just badly designed.</p><p>
My rule of thumb - if the batteries are charged and plugged in, but still warm hours later, something's going wrong.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And one of the main things I 've observed lately is that sometimes it 's the battery chargers that are ultimately the issue when problems start to become reoccurring .
Good article here [ angelfire.com ] on how to build your own smarter battery charger .
They guy who put the article together recounts how his power tool batteries kept going bad .
In passing he mentions that the charger that comes with many batteries is n't always compatible with the batteries , or that they sometimes are just badly designed .
My rule of thumb - if the batteries are charged and plugged in , but still warm hours later , something 's going wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And one of the main things I've observed lately is that sometimes it's the battery chargers that are ultimately the issue when problems start to become reoccurring.
Good article here [angelfire.com] on how to build your own smarter battery charger.
They guy who put the article together recounts how his power tool batteries kept going bad.
In passing he mentions that the charger that comes with many batteries isn't always compatible with the batteries, or that they sometimes are just badly designed.
My rule of thumb - if the batteries are charged and plugged in, but still warm hours later, something's going wrong.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079166</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078280</id>
	<title>How about people think this through?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265711460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And why are you assuming there is a coverup.  Windows has never done this in the past.  Its a ne feature in 7.  So someone upgrades and bam....warning.  What is the first thing someone is going to assume?</p><p>And if this was Apple everyone would be lactating over how this isn't Apple's fault...fracking double standards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And why are you assuming there is a coverup .
Windows has never done this in the past .
Its a ne feature in 7 .
So someone upgrades and bam....warning .
What is the first thing someone is going to assume ? And if this was Apple everyone would be lactating over how this is n't Apple 's fault...fracking double standards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And why are you assuming there is a coverup.
Windows has never done this in the past.
Its a ne feature in 7.
So someone upgrades and bam....warning.
What is the first thing someone is going to assume?And if this was Apple everyone would be lactating over how this isn't Apple's fault...fracking double standards.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078168</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31081984</id>
	<title>Re:Seems sensible</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265736000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And it never occurred to anyone at MS that upgrading customers just *might* like to know about this new feature?</p><p>Whether they are killing batteries (or babies) or not, this attitude shows the contempt in which they hold their customers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And it never occurred to anyone at MS that upgrading customers just * might * like to know about this new feature ? Whether they are killing batteries ( or babies ) or not , this attitude shows the contempt in which they hold their customers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And it never occurred to anyone at MS that upgrading customers just *might* like to know about this new feature?Whether they are killing batteries (or babies) or not, this attitude shows the contempt in which they hold their customers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078968</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079938</id>
	<title>"Collective ecosystem"?</title>
	<author>ozbird</author>
	<datestamp>1265718840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"You're fooling yourself.  We're living in a dictatorship!  A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes..."</htmltext>
<tokenext>" You 're fooling yourself .
We 're living in a dictatorship !
A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"You're fooling yourself.
We're living in a dictatorship!
A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes..."</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078248</id>
	<title>"Ecosystem knowledge" ?</title>
	<author>Gothmolly</author>
	<datestamp>1265711280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wtf is this, aren't techies supposed to be, you know, techy?   What's next, power (not di-lithium) crystals and mood rings to diagnose BSoDs ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wtf is this , are n't techies supposed to be , you know , techy ?
What 's next , power ( not di-lithium ) crystals and mood rings to diagnose BSoDs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wtf is this, aren't techies supposed to be, you know, techy?
What's next, power (not di-lithium) crystals and mood rings to diagnose BSoDs ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078162</id>
	<title>sure</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1265710980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In unrelated news, Iran says it wants nuclear materials only for peaceful purposes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In unrelated news , Iran says it wants nuclear materials only for peaceful purposes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In unrelated news, Iran says it wants nuclear materials only for peaceful purposes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078116</id>
	<title>Surprise</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265710860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows is not at fault. Hardware or 3rd party software always is</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows is not at fault .
Hardware or 3rd party software always is</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows is not at fault.
Hardware or 3rd party software always is</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078442</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>lgw</author>
	<datestamp>1265712000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Windows is not at fault. Hardware or 3rd party software always is</p></div><p>I have a lot of sympathy for the Windows team on this one - I don't think they're blame-shifting here.</p><p>It's been my experience that the software that <i>reports</i> a problem will get blamed for <i>causing</i> the problem.  Maybe "shoot the messenger" is just human nature, but I've often been amazed at how users will blame software that repors a hardware problem that the software couldn't not possibly have caused.  "Disk I/O error detected" results in calls of "why are you causing my disks to fail" - after all it must be you, since the other software isn't complaining (failing, mind you, but not complaining).</p><p>And now apparantly "battery failure detected" results in calls of "why are you causing my battery to fail" - after all it must be you, since the prvious version didn't complain.<br>
&nbsp;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows is not at fault .
Hardware or 3rd party software always isI have a lot of sympathy for the Windows team on this one - I do n't think they 're blame-shifting here.It 's been my experience that the software that reports a problem will get blamed for causing the problem .
Maybe " shoot the messenger " is just human nature , but I 've often been amazed at how users will blame software that repors a hardware problem that the software could n't not possibly have caused .
" Disk I/O error detected " results in calls of " why are you causing my disks to fail " - after all it must be you , since the other software is n't complaining ( failing , mind you , but not complaining ) .And now apparantly " battery failure detected " results in calls of " why are you causing my battery to fail " - after all it must be you , since the prvious version did n't complain .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows is not at fault.
Hardware or 3rd party software always isI have a lot of sympathy for the Windows team on this one - I don't think they're blame-shifting here.It's been my experience that the software that reports a problem will get blamed for causing the problem.
Maybe "shoot the messenger" is just human nature, but I've often been amazed at how users will blame software that repors a hardware problem that the software couldn't not possibly have caused.
"Disk I/O error detected" results in calls of "why are you causing my disks to fail" - after all it must be you, since the other software isn't complaining (failing, mind you, but not complaining).And now apparantly "battery failure detected" results in calls of "why are you causing my battery to fail" - after all it must be you, since the prvious version didn't complain.
 
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31084060</id>
	<title>Re:Not dead</title>
	<author>dredwerker</author>
	<datestamp>1265028120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>     Microsoft: Oh yes, the, uh, the Battery...What's,uh...What's wrong with it?

     Laptop owner: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead, that's what's wrong with it!

     Microsoft: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.

     Laptop owner: Look, matey, I know a dead battery when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.

     Microsoft: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkably charged, the Battery, idn'it, ay? Beautiful plumage!

     Laptop owner: The plumage don't enter into it. It's stone dead.

     Microsoft: Nononono, no, no! 'E's resting!</p></div><p>Its a Norwegian blue battery.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft : Oh yes , the , uh , the Battery...What 's,uh...What 's wrong with it ?
Laptop owner : I 'll tell you what 's wrong with it , my lad .
'E 's dead , that 's what 's wrong with it !
Microsoft : No , no , 'e 's uh,...he 's resting .
Laptop owner : Look , matey , I know a dead battery when I see one , and I 'm looking at one right now .
Microsoft : No no he 's not dead , he 's , he 's restin ' !
Remarkably charged , the Battery , idn'it , ay ?
Beautiful plumage !
Laptop owner : The plumage do n't enter into it .
It 's stone dead .
Microsoft : Nononono , no , no !
'E 's resting ! Its a Norwegian blue battery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>     Microsoft: Oh yes, the, uh, the Battery...What's,uh...What's wrong with it?
Laptop owner: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad.
'E's dead, that's what's wrong with it!
Microsoft: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.
Laptop owner: Look, matey, I know a dead battery when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.
Microsoft: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'!
Remarkably charged, the Battery, idn'it, ay?
Beautiful plumage!
Laptop owner: The plumage don't enter into it.
It's stone dead.
Microsoft: Nononono, no, no!
'E's resting!Its a Norwegian blue battery.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078434</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079300</id>
	<title>maybe this is a GOOD thing?</title>
	<author>v1</author>
	<datestamp>1265715600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's possible that Windows is just getting better at reporting battery condition and catching failing batteries, and so the problem that has already existed for awhile is just now becoming more noticeable?  Windows PC grade hardware can be any level of quality, just because Windows is identifying your battery has crapped out before it should doesn't make it MS's fault.  Maybe you just bought crap or need a new battery?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's possible that Windows is just getting better at reporting battery condition and catching failing batteries , and so the problem that has already existed for awhile is just now becoming more noticeable ?
Windows PC grade hardware can be any level of quality , just because Windows is identifying your battery has crapped out before it should does n't make it MS 's fault .
Maybe you just bought crap or need a new battery ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's possible that Windows is just getting better at reporting battery condition and catching failing batteries, and so the problem that has already existed for awhile is just now becoming more noticeable?
Windows PC grade hardware can be any level of quality, just because Windows is identifying your battery has crapped out before it should doesn't make it MS's fault.
Maybe you just bought crap or need a new battery?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079718</id>
	<title>Re:And what if Windows 7 is the cause?</title>
	<author>KarmaMB84</author>
	<datestamp>1265717640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You upgraded a pair of netbooks and a 4 year old laptop to Windows 7 and you're shocked it doesn't work well (or at all)?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You upgraded a pair of netbooks and a 4 year old laptop to Windows 7 and you 're shocked it does n't work well ( or at all ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You upgraded a pair of netbooks and a 4 year old laptop to Windows 7 and you're shocked it doesn't work well (or at all)?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078538</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31088150</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265050500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft saying there was no possibility of Windows 7 causing bad batteries is in no way a surprise.</p><p>Neither was it a surprise when I started hearing Toyota commercials telling people their cars are perfectly safe and, even though they took them off the market because of deadly problems, to not worry about recalls about unintentional acceleration problems and brakes failing.</p><p>I mean, only the engineers that designed the system could ever know how it might fail (unless their NDA says they can never say it could).  And we know only the best most trusted high ranking corporate executives blame the customers (and floor mats - of which the floor mats have 100\% proven not to be the cause, as it happens even with them removed from vehicle).</p><p>Yeah, I am sure Microsoft Windows 7 isn't causing batteries to fail.*</p><p>* - higher CPU usage and higher swap usage is going to wear the batteries faster</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft saying there was no possibility of Windows 7 causing bad batteries is in no way a surprise.Neither was it a surprise when I started hearing Toyota commercials telling people their cars are perfectly safe and , even though they took them off the market because of deadly problems , to not worry about recalls about unintentional acceleration problems and brakes failing.I mean , only the engineers that designed the system could ever know how it might fail ( unless their NDA says they can never say it could ) .
And we know only the best most trusted high ranking corporate executives blame the customers ( and floor mats - of which the floor mats have 100 \ % proven not to be the cause , as it happens even with them removed from vehicle ) .Yeah , I am sure Microsoft Windows 7 is n't causing batteries to fail .
* * - higher CPU usage and higher swap usage is going to wear the batteries faster</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft saying there was no possibility of Windows 7 causing bad batteries is in no way a surprise.Neither was it a surprise when I started hearing Toyota commercials telling people their cars are perfectly safe and, even though they took them off the market because of deadly problems, to not worry about recalls about unintentional acceleration problems and brakes failing.I mean, only the engineers that designed the system could ever know how it might fail (unless their NDA says they can never say it could).
And we know only the best most trusted high ranking corporate executives blame the customers (and floor mats - of which the floor mats have 100\% proven not to be the cause, as it happens even with them removed from vehicle).Yeah, I am sure Microsoft Windows 7 isn't causing batteries to fail.
** - higher CPU usage and higher swap usage is going to wear the batteries faster</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078116</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079172</id>
	<title>Of course it's not</title>
	<author>kurt555gs</author>
	<datestamp>1265715180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft would prolly claims that Windows 7 isn't killing kittens or puppies either, but we know the truth!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft would prolly claims that Windows 7 is n't killing kittens or puppies either , but we know the truth !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft would prolly claims that Windows 7 isn't killing kittens or puppies either, but we know the truth!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31084604</id>
	<title>I don't think so</title>
	<author>kuei12</author>
	<datestamp>1265033880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Microsoft is in bed with hardware manufacturers to force customers to upgrade their computers. So, why would we believe this is not a deliberate attempt by microsoft to force people to change their batteries?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft is in bed with hardware manufacturers to force customers to upgrade their computers .
So , why would we believe this is not a deliberate attempt by microsoft to force people to change their batteries ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft is in bed with hardware manufacturers to force customers to upgrade their computers.
So, why would we believe this is not a deliberate attempt by microsoft to force people to change their batteries?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079776</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>brufleth</author>
	<datestamp>1265717940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I work on the controls for complicated systems.  Our part of the system is like a little computer.  It can record and report problems with the overall system.  We ALWAYS get blamed when there is a problem because we're the ones who report it.  It makes us into little engine debuggers because we're always considered at fault for a failure until we prove otherwise.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I work on the controls for complicated systems .
Our part of the system is like a little computer .
It can record and report problems with the overall system .
We ALWAYS get blamed when there is a problem because we 're the ones who report it .
It makes us into little engine debuggers because we 're always considered at fault for a failure until we prove otherwise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work on the controls for complicated systems.
Our part of the system is like a little computer.
It can record and report problems with the overall system.
We ALWAYS get blamed when there is a problem because we're the ones who report it.
It makes us into little engine debuggers because we're always considered at fault for a failure until we prove otherwise.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078442</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079454</id>
	<title>Re:Not dead</title>
	<author>colinrichardday</author>
	<datestamp>1265716320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft: No, 'e's just pining for the fjords of Redmond!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft : No , 'e 's just pining for the fjords of Redmond !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft: No, 'e's just pining for the fjords of Redmond!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078434</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079102</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>Cougar Town</author>
	<datestamp>1265714940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds just like what I hear about Linux. Oh it's not Linux's fault, it's nvidia's binary driver, or Logitech's crappy unsupported webcam, or some up-stream package the distribution uses but doesn't maintain (but includes in their default install... Ubuntu and PulseAudio, anyone?), etc...

</p><p>My purpose here is not to troll, but to point out that this can, and does, happen with any OS that is aimed at a very very wide range of hardware and supports all manner of 3rd party software. This includes some things like drivers that plug directly into the OS itself at a low level, and only in an ideal world does everything play 100\% nice with each other. Sometimes (some would even say "often"), Microsoft is to blame (or *insert favourite Linux distrib or OS here*), but definitely not all the time.

</p><p>These are simply the facts of computing as they are today. As much as I wish things were different, they're not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds just like what I hear about Linux .
Oh it 's not Linux 's fault , it 's nvidia 's binary driver , or Logitech 's crappy unsupported webcam , or some up-stream package the distribution uses but does n't maintain ( but includes in their default install... Ubuntu and PulseAudio , anyone ?
) , etc.. . My purpose here is not to troll , but to point out that this can , and does , happen with any OS that is aimed at a very very wide range of hardware and supports all manner of 3rd party software .
This includes some things like drivers that plug directly into the OS itself at a low level , and only in an ideal world does everything play 100 \ % nice with each other .
Sometimes ( some would even say " often " ) , Microsoft is to blame ( or * insert favourite Linux distrib or OS here * ) , but definitely not all the time .
These are simply the facts of computing as they are today .
As much as I wish things were different , they 're not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds just like what I hear about Linux.
Oh it's not Linux's fault, it's nvidia's binary driver, or Logitech's crappy unsupported webcam, or some up-stream package the distribution uses but doesn't maintain (but includes in their default install... Ubuntu and PulseAudio, anyone?
), etc...

My purpose here is not to troll, but to point out that this can, and does, happen with any OS that is aimed at a very very wide range of hardware and supports all manner of 3rd party software.
This includes some things like drivers that plug directly into the OS itself at a low level, and only in an ideal world does everything play 100\% nice with each other.
Sometimes (some would even say "often"), Microsoft is to blame (or *insert favourite Linux distrib or OS here*), but definitely not all the time.
These are simply the facts of computing as they are today.
As much as I wish things were different, they're not.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078994</id>
	<title>Re:And what if Windows 7 is the cause?</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1265714400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So leave the laptop running and measure how long it takes for it to die, then you'll know if 7 is giving you bullshit, or is the proverbial Cassandra.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So leave the laptop running and measure how long it takes for it to die , then you 'll know if 7 is giving you bullshit , or is the proverbial Cassandra .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So leave the laptop running and measure how long it takes for it to die, then you'll know if 7 is giving you bullshit, or is the proverbial Cassandra.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31080084</id>
	<title>MS just hired the NRA's PR firm</title>
	<author>xactuary</author>
	<datestamp>1265719740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Windows 7 doesn't kill batteries. People kill batteries.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows 7 does n't kill batteries .
People kill batteries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows 7 doesn't kill batteries.
People kill batteries.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079936</id>
	<title>My Experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265718780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some time ago, I had an interesting experience. My computer reported a failure. I went out and replaced the module, but I really think the problem was in the operating system. You tell me. Here's the error message: "Sorry to interrupt the festivities, Dave, but I think we've got a problem. MY F.P.C. shows an impending failure of the antenna orientation unit. The A.O. unit should be replaced within the next seventy-two hours."</p><p>-Dave</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some time ago , I had an interesting experience .
My computer reported a failure .
I went out and replaced the module , but I really think the problem was in the operating system .
You tell me .
Here 's the error message : " Sorry to interrupt the festivities , Dave , but I think we 've got a problem .
MY F.P.C .
shows an impending failure of the antenna orientation unit .
The A.O .
unit should be replaced within the next seventy-two hours .
" -Dave</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some time ago, I had an interesting experience.
My computer reported a failure.
I went out and replaced the module, but I really think the problem was in the operating system.
You tell me.
Here's the error message: "Sorry to interrupt the festivities, Dave, but I think we've got a problem.
MY F.P.C.
shows an impending failure of the antenna orientation unit.
The A.O.
unit should be replaced within the next seventy-two hours.
"-Dave</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31084710</id>
	<title>Read the article knuckleheads.</title>
	<author>Chicken04GTO</author>
	<datestamp>1265034840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>All windows 7 is doing is reading battery controller provided information on itself.  If the battery drops below 40\% of capacity, windows reports it.  The idea of Windows 7 damaging your batteries is absurd.
<br>
<br>
Since I know none of you will read the article, because it might get in the way of your circle jerk windows bashing:<br>
<br>
"PC batteries expose information about battery capacity and health through the system firmware (or BIOS).  There is a detailed specification for the firmware interface (ACPI), but at the most basic level, the hardware platform and firmware provide a number of read-only  fields that describe the battery and its status.  The firmware provides information on the battery including manufacturer, serial number, design capacity and last full charge capacity.  The last two pieces of information--design capacity and last full charge capacity--are the information Windows 7 uses to determine how much the battery has naturally degraded.   This information is read-only and there is no way for Windows 7 or any other OS to write, set or configure battery status information.  In fact all of the battery actions of charging and discharging are completely controlled by the battery hardware.  Windows only reports the battery information it reads from the system firmware. Some reports erroneously claimed Windows was modifying this information, which is definitely not possible."</htmltext>
<tokenext>All windows 7 is doing is reading battery controller provided information on itself .
If the battery drops below 40 \ % of capacity , windows reports it .
The idea of Windows 7 damaging your batteries is absurd .
Since I know none of you will read the article , because it might get in the way of your circle jerk windows bashing : " PC batteries expose information about battery capacity and health through the system firmware ( or BIOS ) .
There is a detailed specification for the firmware interface ( ACPI ) , but at the most basic level , the hardware platform and firmware provide a number of read-only fields that describe the battery and its status .
The firmware provides information on the battery including manufacturer , serial number , design capacity and last full charge capacity .
The last two pieces of information--design capacity and last full charge capacity--are the information Windows 7 uses to determine how much the battery has naturally degraded .
This information is read-only and there is no way for Windows 7 or any other OS to write , set or configure battery status information .
In fact all of the battery actions of charging and discharging are completely controlled by the battery hardware .
Windows only reports the battery information it reads from the system firmware .
Some reports erroneously claimed Windows was modifying this information , which is definitely not possible .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All windows 7 is doing is reading battery controller provided information on itself.
If the battery drops below 40\% of capacity, windows reports it.
The idea of Windows 7 damaging your batteries is absurd.
Since I know none of you will read the article, because it might get in the way of your circle jerk windows bashing:

"PC batteries expose information about battery capacity and health through the system firmware (or BIOS).
There is a detailed specification for the firmware interface (ACPI), but at the most basic level, the hardware platform and firmware provide a number of read-only  fields that describe the battery and its status.
The firmware provides information on the battery including manufacturer, serial number, design capacity and last full charge capacity.
The last two pieces of information--design capacity and last full charge capacity--are the information Windows 7 uses to determine how much the battery has naturally degraded.
This information is read-only and there is no way for Windows 7 or any other OS to write, set or configure battery status information.
In fact all of the battery actions of charging and discharging are completely controlled by the battery hardware.
Windows only reports the battery information it reads from the system firmware.
Some reports erroneously claimed Windows was modifying this information, which is definitely not possible.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31080250</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1265720880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are good ways to handle hardware failures, and bad ways.</p><p>irql\_not\_less\_or\_equal</p><p>is a BAD way of handling errors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are good ways to handle hardware failures , and bad ways.irql \ _not \ _less \ _or \ _equalis a BAD way of handling errors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are good ways to handle hardware failures, and bad ways.irql\_not\_less\_or\_equalis a BAD way of handling errors.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31082604</id>
	<title>Next you will blame MS for sodomising...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265744400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>your grandma. Getting your buddies or yourself under different accounts to mod yourself up? The truth is you are nothing but a stinking troll.</htmltext>
<tokenext>your grandma .
Getting your buddies or yourself under different accounts to mod yourself up ?
The truth is you are nothing but a stinking troll .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>your grandma.
Getting your buddies or yourself under different accounts to mod yourself up?
The truth is you are nothing but a stinking troll.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078816</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>NightHawkeye</author>
	<datestamp>1265713560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Malware, maybe...</p><p>A Windows 7 botnet machine can probably use up the battery very quickly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Malware , maybe...A Windows 7 botnet machine can probably use up the battery very quickly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Malware, maybe...A Windows 7 botnet machine can probably use up the battery very quickly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079210</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>BitwiseX</author>
	<datestamp>1265715300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, it rarely happens but I'm on Microsoft's side.  "Shooting the messenger" is the best way to put this.  The same beef would have existed with XP or Vista had it been implemented then.   All the battery data is READ-ONLY.  Period.  The tin foil hats can come off now.  It is not a conspiracy to between Microsoft and battery manufacturers.<br> <br>

All that being said: It IS a little confusing to an average user to see a 100\% battery charge AND say your battery needs replacing.  100\% means the same thing to everybody.  "Perfect".  <br> <br>
Microsoft has thrown everyone for a loop and released a fairly solid OS (IMHO).  I just hope we aren't trying to hard to find a fault..... you know... because it's Microsoft..</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , it rarely happens but I 'm on Microsoft 's side .
" Shooting the messenger " is the best way to put this .
The same beef would have existed with XP or Vista had it been implemented then .
All the battery data is READ-ONLY .
Period. The tin foil hats can come off now .
It is not a conspiracy to between Microsoft and battery manufacturers .
All that being said : It IS a little confusing to an average user to see a 100 \ % battery charge AND say your battery needs replacing .
100 \ % means the same thing to everybody .
" Perfect " . Microsoft has thrown everyone for a loop and released a fairly solid OS ( IMHO ) .
I just hope we are n't trying to hard to find a fault..... you know... because it 's Microsoft. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, it rarely happens but I'm on Microsoft's side.
"Shooting the messenger" is the best way to put this.
The same beef would have existed with XP or Vista had it been implemented then.
All the battery data is READ-ONLY.
Period.  The tin foil hats can come off now.
It is not a conspiracy to between Microsoft and battery manufacturers.
All that being said: It IS a little confusing to an average user to see a 100\% battery charge AND say your battery needs replacing.
100\% means the same thing to everybody.
"Perfect".   
Microsoft has thrown everyone for a loop and released a fairly solid OS (IMHO).
I just hope we aren't trying to hard to find a fault..... you know... because it's Microsoft..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079046</id>
	<title>Re:We need more honestly dumb software.</title>
	<author>solsang</author>
	<datestamp>1265714580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As seen in the many postings replying to the link, the problem seems to be windows 7 using the battery "design capacity" value which in many cases are wrong, thus making the warning and possible causing haywire in the charging system

Thus it is a real issue with many new batteries of various types and m$ is flatly denying it without reading the possible solution and test suggestions in the comment thread...</htmltext>
<tokenext>As seen in the many postings replying to the link , the problem seems to be windows 7 using the battery " design capacity " value which in many cases are wrong , thus making the warning and possible causing haywire in the charging system Thus it is a real issue with many new batteries of various types and m $ is flatly denying it without reading the possible solution and test suggestions in the comment thread.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As seen in the many postings replying to the link, the problem seems to be windows 7 using the battery "design capacity" value which in many cases are wrong, thus making the warning and possible causing haywire in the charging system

Thus it is a real issue with many new batteries of various types and m$ is flatly denying it without reading the possible solution and test suggestions in the comment thread...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31080152</id>
	<title>Just Remember...</title>
	<author>cmacb</author>
	<datestamp>1265720160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows doesn't use batteries, people do.</p><p>Just shut down those Windows laptops and leave 'em that way.   Problem solved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows does n't use batteries , people do.Just shut down those Windows laptops and leave 'em that way .
Problem solved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows doesn't use batteries, people do.Just shut down those Windows laptops and leave 'em that way.
Problem solved.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079636</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>lukas84</author>
	<datestamp>1265717220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, since Vista there's an annoying popup.</p><p>I've seen it only once, though. The disk is still working.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , since Vista there 's an annoying popup.I 've seen it only once , though .
The disk is still working .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, since Vista there's an annoying popup.I've seen it only once, though.
The disk is still working.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078660</id>
	<title>A Tagging System Error?</title>
	<author>damn\_registrars</author>
	<datestamp>1265712960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think there is something wrong with the slashdot tagging system.  I see this story has been simultaneously tagged "microsoft" and "bug".  We all know that Microsoft turns out only the highest quality of code, hence those two sets should be mutually exclusive.  Perhaps the "bug" tag refers to an error in the slashdot code that allows the sets "bug" and "microsoft" to overlap?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think there is something wrong with the slashdot tagging system .
I see this story has been simultaneously tagged " microsoft " and " bug " .
We all know that Microsoft turns out only the highest quality of code , hence those two sets should be mutually exclusive .
Perhaps the " bug " tag refers to an error in the slashdot code that allows the sets " bug " and " microsoft " to overlap ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think there is something wrong with the slashdot tagging system.
I see this story has been simultaneously tagged "microsoft" and "bug".
We all know that Microsoft turns out only the highest quality of code, hence those two sets should be mutually exclusive.
Perhaps the "bug" tag refers to an error in the slashdot code that allows the sets "bug" and "microsoft" to overlap?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079224</id>
	<title>Re:Not news - just like last time - wrong</title>
	<author>Locutus</author>
	<datestamp>1265715360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>no, this is Microsoft adding something to the system which wasn't there and instead of letting users know this, they use a new notification telling them to go spend money and be afraid their computer might suddenly stop working.  Because so many Windows users have a minute amount of general computer education, they panic and blame this on this new operating system.  If Microsoft lets the user right-click on the battery icon, see/set the threshold warning settings and has help info on this then it is not so much their fault. But if none of that is there, it is 100\% their fault people are fearful of their system and blaming it on Microsoft. IMO.<br><br>LoB</htmltext>
<tokenext>no , this is Microsoft adding something to the system which was n't there and instead of letting users know this , they use a new notification telling them to go spend money and be afraid their computer might suddenly stop working .
Because so many Windows users have a minute amount of general computer education , they panic and blame this on this new operating system .
If Microsoft lets the user right-click on the battery icon , see/set the threshold warning settings and has help info on this then it is not so much their fault .
But if none of that is there , it is 100 \ % their fault people are fearful of their system and blaming it on Microsoft .
IMO.LoB</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no, this is Microsoft adding something to the system which wasn't there and instead of letting users know this, they use a new notification telling them to go spend money and be afraid their computer might suddenly stop working.
Because so many Windows users have a minute amount of general computer education, they panic and blame this on this new operating system.
If Microsoft lets the user right-click on the battery icon, see/set the threshold warning settings and has help info on this then it is not so much their fault.
But if none of that is there, it is 100\% their fault people are fearful of their system and blaming it on Microsoft.
IMO.LoB</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31080368</id>
	<title>Re:similar story with Fedora and hard drives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265721720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; But I dig deeper and sure enough the drive really is bad.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...or, probably, that it reports some S.M.A.R.T. warning signals.    It probably wasn't bad in the sense of actually giving your wrong data.   It's easy to take these warnings too seriously and not think of the costs of the false positives.</p><p>False positives, of course cost real money.   $50 or $100 per false prediction of failure.    You toss out the disk, you believe it was bad, and you never give it a chance to prove that it would have run for another year or so.   It's easy to believe the warning messages.   But do you really *know* the disk was about to fail?</p><p>Er, actually not.</p><p>I chucked out an old disk drive and spent about 5 hours reinstalling Ubuntu. On the *second*, newer computer, I got a bit suspicious. I found a paper by Pinheiro, Weber and Barroso<br>at Google: http://research.google.com/archive/disk\_failures.pdf</p><p>The found that "Despite [correlations between failure rates and SMART data] we conclude that models based on SMART parameters alone are unlikely to be useful for predicting individual drive failures."</p><p>Specifically, from discussions on Redhat's list, Palimpsest bases many warnings on reallocated sectors, but Google says "85\% of drives survive more than 8 months after their first reallocation." And further, they state "Out of all failed drives, over 56\% have no signal on any of the four strong SMART signals... Actual useful models, which need to have small false-positive error rates are in fact likely to do much worse than these limits might suggest."</p><p>See http://kochanski.org/blog/?p=244 for the statistical background.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; But I dig deeper and sure enough the drive really is bad .
...or , probably , that it reports some S.M.A.R.T .
warning signals .
It probably was n't bad in the sense of actually giving your wrong data .
It 's easy to take these warnings too seriously and not think of the costs of the false positives.False positives , of course cost real money .
$ 50 or $ 100 per false prediction of failure .
You toss out the disk , you believe it was bad , and you never give it a chance to prove that it would have run for another year or so .
It 's easy to believe the warning messages .
But do you really * know * the disk was about to fail ? Er , actually not.I chucked out an old disk drive and spent about 5 hours reinstalling Ubuntu .
On the * second * , newer computer , I got a bit suspicious .
I found a paper by Pinheiro , Weber and Barrosoat Google : http : //research.google.com/archive/disk \ _failures.pdfThe found that " Despite [ correlations between failure rates and SMART data ] we conclude that models based on SMART parameters alone are unlikely to be useful for predicting individual drive failures .
" Specifically , from discussions on Redhat 's list , Palimpsest bases many warnings on reallocated sectors , but Google says " 85 \ % of drives survive more than 8 months after their first reallocation .
" And further , they state " Out of all failed drives , over 56 \ % have no signal on any of the four strong SMART signals... Actual useful models , which need to have small false-positive error rates are in fact likely to do much worse than these limits might suggest .
" See http : //kochanski.org/blog/ ? p = 244 for the statistical background .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; But I dig deeper and sure enough the drive really is bad.
...or, probably, that it reports some S.M.A.R.T.
warning signals.
It probably wasn't bad in the sense of actually giving your wrong data.
It's easy to take these warnings too seriously and not think of the costs of the false positives.False positives, of course cost real money.
$50 or $100 per false prediction of failure.
You toss out the disk, you believe it was bad, and you never give it a chance to prove that it would have run for another year or so.
It's easy to believe the warning messages.
But do you really *know* the disk was about to fail?Er, actually not.I chucked out an old disk drive and spent about 5 hours reinstalling Ubuntu.
On the *second*, newer computer, I got a bit suspicious.
I found a paper by Pinheiro, Weber and Barrosoat Google: http://research.google.com/archive/disk\_failures.pdfThe found that "Despite [correlations between failure rates and SMART data] we conclude that models based on SMART parameters alone are unlikely to be useful for predicting individual drive failures.
"Specifically, from discussions on Redhat's list, Palimpsest bases many warnings on reallocated sectors, but Google says "85\% of drives survive more than 8 months after their first reallocation.
" And further, they state "Out of all failed drives, over 56\% have no signal on any of the four strong SMART signals... Actual useful models, which need to have small false-positive error rates are in fact likely to do much worse than these limits might suggest.
"See http://kochanski.org/blog/?p=244 for the statistical background.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078728</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>omnichad</author>
	<datestamp>1265713200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That reminds me.  Does Windows 7 finally report on hard drive SMART status?  Glaring missing feature from XP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That reminds me .
Does Windows 7 finally report on hard drive SMART status ?
Glaring missing feature from XP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That reminds me.
Does Windows 7 finally report on hard drive SMART status?
Glaring missing feature from XP.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078508</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>Deathlizard</author>
	<datestamp>1265712240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not far from the truth.</p><p>Lenovo has had bad batches of batteries in both their R60 and R61 line that were not subject to the explosion recalls. The R60's would go bad spontaneously and without warning, and the battery indicator would blink orange fast as well as Lenovo's battery manager would report a battery malfunction until you did a warranty replacement. Since they only warranty batteries for only 1 year, we had to buy tons more until we got rid of them at end of lease, then the first sets of R61's started showing the same signs. The R400's have been ok so far, but they have other issues (usually involving a motherboard replacement) These machines had XP and was way before windows 7 came out.</p><p>So far with windows 7, the only time I've seen the warning is when Lenovo's power manager confirms the issue. The only thing I wish Windows 7 had built in is a battery reset option like the Lenovo Power manager. After that is run, you can sometimes gain a few more minutes out of your battery, but not all the time and never if the battery reports a failure rather than a loss in battery performance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not far from the truth.Lenovo has had bad batches of batteries in both their R60 and R61 line that were not subject to the explosion recalls .
The R60 's would go bad spontaneously and without warning , and the battery indicator would blink orange fast as well as Lenovo 's battery manager would report a battery malfunction until you did a warranty replacement .
Since they only warranty batteries for only 1 year , we had to buy tons more until we got rid of them at end of lease , then the first sets of R61 's started showing the same signs .
The R400 's have been ok so far , but they have other issues ( usually involving a motherboard replacement ) These machines had XP and was way before windows 7 came out.So far with windows 7 , the only time I 've seen the warning is when Lenovo 's power manager confirms the issue .
The only thing I wish Windows 7 had built in is a battery reset option like the Lenovo Power manager .
After that is run , you can sometimes gain a few more minutes out of your battery , but not all the time and never if the battery reports a failure rather than a loss in battery performance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not far from the truth.Lenovo has had bad batches of batteries in both their R60 and R61 line that were not subject to the explosion recalls.
The R60's would go bad spontaneously and without warning, and the battery indicator would blink orange fast as well as Lenovo's battery manager would report a battery malfunction until you did a warranty replacement.
Since they only warranty batteries for only 1 year, we had to buy tons more until we got rid of them at end of lease, then the first sets of R61's started showing the same signs.
The R400's have been ok so far, but they have other issues (usually involving a motherboard replacement) These machines had XP and was way before windows 7 came out.So far with windows 7, the only time I've seen the warning is when Lenovo's power manager confirms the issue.
The only thing I wish Windows 7 had built in is a battery reset option like the Lenovo Power manager.
After that is run, you can sometimes gain a few more minutes out of your battery, but not all the time and never if the battery reports a failure rather than a loss in battery performance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078236</id>
	<title>Not news - just like last time</title>
	<author>vcgodinich</author>
	<datestamp>1265711280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>What's news here? Microsoft gets vague claims than win7 is killing batteries, with no hard data, no common variable, not even vaguely reproducable. <p>This isn't MS covering something up, there was never anything to cover up here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's news here ?
Microsoft gets vague claims than win7 is killing batteries , with no hard data , no common variable , not even vaguely reproducable .
This is n't MS covering something up , there was never anything to cover up here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's news here?
Microsoft gets vague claims than win7 is killing batteries, with no hard data, no common variable, not even vaguely reproducable.
This isn't MS covering something up, there was never anything to cover up here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31080410</id>
	<title>Re:We need more honestly dumb software.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265721960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this would never fly, since people would freak when they see that lithiums lose 20\% capacity the first month, before the long steady march to 20\% (where it's effectively dead).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this would never fly , since people would freak when they see that lithiums lose 20 \ % capacity the first month , before the long steady march to 20 \ % ( where it 's effectively dead ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this would never fly, since people would freak when they see that lithiums lose 20\% capacity the first month, before the long steady march to 20\% (where it's effectively dead).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079476</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>joeyblades</author>
	<datestamp>1265716380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The operating system performance does have some impact on battery performance and battery life. There are circumstances where the same core running the same speed on the same hardware will consume more power on a Windows OS than another OS...
</p><p>
So, to be clear. I'm not blaming Microsoft, but I'm not ready to let them off the hook.
</p><p>
And... even if their claims that the OS is just reporting the actual state of the battery, that doesn't mean that Microsoft's OS (current or previous) didn't preciptate the situation.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The operating system performance does have some impact on battery performance and battery life .
There are circumstances where the same core running the same speed on the same hardware will consume more power on a Windows OS than another OS.. . So , to be clear .
I 'm not blaming Microsoft , but I 'm not ready to let them off the hook .
And... even if their claims that the OS is just reporting the actual state of the battery , that does n't mean that Microsoft 's OS ( current or previous ) did n't preciptate the situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The operating system performance does have some impact on battery performance and battery life.
There are circumstances where the same core running the same speed on the same hardware will consume more power on a Windows OS than another OS...

So, to be clear.
I'm not blaming Microsoft, but I'm not ready to let them off the hook.
And... even if their claims that the OS is just reporting the actual state of the battery, that doesn't mean that Microsoft's OS (current or previous) didn't preciptate the situation.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079124</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265715000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What people are missing is that this is not anything to do with bad batteries, or increased power draw of windows 7 or processes. The issue is that windows 7 corrupts the information stored on the batteries. My laptop ran fine with windows vista, the battery died within a week of a clean windows 7 install. This was a healthy battery, low cycles.</p><p>Got a replacement battery, installed vista and had no issues. We Ran windows 7 on it but only without being plugged in, then recharged by booting a ubuntu live cd. This arrangement worked and the battery was fine after 3 weeks. We then started letting windows 7 charge the battery and the battery was dead within a few days. Read the technet and you can see this duplicated over and over again.<br>Now, at work we did a transplant of the cells from the second battery to a third and guess what.. It works fine!</p><p>You wonder why microsoft is trying to downplay this? Imagine the recalls..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What people are missing is that this is not anything to do with bad batteries , or increased power draw of windows 7 or processes .
The issue is that windows 7 corrupts the information stored on the batteries .
My laptop ran fine with windows vista , the battery died within a week of a clean windows 7 install .
This was a healthy battery , low cycles.Got a replacement battery , installed vista and had no issues .
We Ran windows 7 on it but only without being plugged in , then recharged by booting a ubuntu live cd .
This arrangement worked and the battery was fine after 3 weeks .
We then started letting windows 7 charge the battery and the battery was dead within a few days .
Read the technet and you can see this duplicated over and over again.Now , at work we did a transplant of the cells from the second battery to a third and guess what.. It works fine ! You wonder why microsoft is trying to downplay this ?
Imagine the recalls. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What people are missing is that this is not anything to do with bad batteries, or increased power draw of windows 7 or processes.
The issue is that windows 7 corrupts the information stored on the batteries.
My laptop ran fine with windows vista, the battery died within a week of a clean windows 7 install.
This was a healthy battery, low cycles.Got a replacement battery, installed vista and had no issues.
We Ran windows 7 on it but only without being plugged in, then recharged by booting a ubuntu live cd.
This arrangement worked and the battery was fine after 3 weeks.
We then started letting windows 7 charge the battery and the battery was dead within a few days.
Read the technet and you can see this duplicated over and over again.Now, at work we did a transplant of the cells from the second battery to a third and guess what.. It works fine!You wonder why microsoft is trying to downplay this?
Imagine the recalls..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079692</id>
	<title>Heisenberg Battery Uncertainty Principle</title>
	<author>ipX</author>
	<datestamp>1265717520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The more certain you are that your Windows 7 laptop battery is in need of replacement, the less certain Microsoft can be about Windows 7 being the cause.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The more certain you are that your Windows 7 laptop battery is in need of replacement , the less certain Microsoft can be about Windows 7 being the cause .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The more certain you are that your Windows 7 laptop battery is in need of replacement, the less certain Microsoft can be about Windows 7 being the cause.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31083908</id>
	<title>Well, to be fair...</title>
	<author>vegiVamp</author>
	<datestamp>1265026500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Falling off the Burj Dubai doesn't kill you, either. You might experience difficulties landing, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Falling off the Burj Dubai does n't kill you , either .
You might experience difficulties landing , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Falling off the Burj Dubai doesn't kill you, either.
You might experience difficulties landing, though.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31079138</id>
	<title>Re:Surprise</title>
	<author>ultranova</author>
	<datestamp>1265715060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If the video card's VRAM is faulty and is causing the system to crash is that MS's fault?</p></div> </blockquote><p>How could that possibly cause a system crash instead of just corrupted graphics? Does Windows kernel use compute shaders?</p><p>And, frankly, after the fight against Windows 7 to get my CRT display working on the modes I want, with the refresh rate I want, I admit that "Microsoft's fault" is the first thought that comes to my mind whenever there's a problem with any PC with any Microsoft software in it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the video card 's VRAM is faulty and is causing the system to crash is that MS 's fault ?
How could that possibly cause a system crash instead of just corrupted graphics ?
Does Windows kernel use compute shaders ? And , frankly , after the fight against Windows 7 to get my CRT display working on the modes I want , with the refresh rate I want , I admit that " Microsoft 's fault " is the first thought that comes to my mind whenever there 's a problem with any PC with any Microsoft software in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the video card's VRAM is faulty and is causing the system to crash is that MS's fault?
How could that possibly cause a system crash instead of just corrupted graphics?
Does Windows kernel use compute shaders?And, frankly, after the fight against Windows 7 to get my CRT display working on the modes I want, with the refresh rate I want, I admit that "Microsoft's fault" is the first thought that comes to my mind whenever there's a problem with any PC with any Microsoft software in it.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_196235.31078894</id>
	<title>Quick Battery Death</title>
	<author>God of Lemmings</author>
	<datestamp>1265713920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not a bug.... Its a feature!</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not a bug.... Its a feature !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not a bug.... Its a feature!</sentencetext>
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