<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_07_1842206</id>
	<title>Pen Still Mightier Than the Laptop For Notetaking?</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1265531460000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>theodp writes <i>"While waiting to see if the iPad is a game-changer, this CS student continues to <a href="http://blog.carolynworks.com/?p=284">take class notes with pen and paper</a> while her fellow students embrace netbooks and notebooks. Why? In addition to finding the act of writing helps cement the lecture material in her mind, there's also the problem of keeping up with the professor: '[While taking notes on a laptop] every five minutes I found myself cursing at not being able to copy the diagram on the board.' So, when it comes to education or business, do you take notes on a notepad/netbook, or stick with good old-fashioned handwriting? Got any tips for making the transition, or arguments for staying the course?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>theodp writes " While waiting to see if the iPad is a game-changer , this CS student continues to take class notes with pen and paper while her fellow students embrace netbooks and notebooks .
Why ? In addition to finding the act of writing helps cement the lecture material in her mind , there 's also the problem of keeping up with the professor : ' [ While taking notes on a laptop ] every five minutes I found myself cursing at not being able to copy the diagram on the board .
' So , when it comes to education or business , do you take notes on a notepad/netbook , or stick with good old-fashioned handwriting ?
Got any tips for making the transition , or arguments for staying the course ?
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<sentencetext>theodp writes "While waiting to see if the iPad is a game-changer, this CS student continues to take class notes with pen and paper while her fellow students embrace netbooks and notebooks.
Why? In addition to finding the act of writing helps cement the lecture material in her mind, there's also the problem of keeping up with the professor: '[While taking notes on a laptop] every five minutes I found myself cursing at not being able to copy the diagram on the board.
' So, when it comes to education or business, do you take notes on a notepad/netbook, or stick with good old-fashioned handwriting?
Got any tips for making the transition, or arguments for staying the course?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055680</id>
	<title>Digital pen</title>
	<author>carbuck</author>
	<datestamp>1265543040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You could use a digital pen like Logitech io or LiveScribe that allows you to write on paper, then plug the pen into the netbook/notebook and save a digital copy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You could use a digital pen like Logitech io or LiveScribe that allows you to write on paper , then plug the pen into the netbook/notebook and save a digital copy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could use a digital pen like Logitech io or LiveScribe that allows you to write on paper, then plug the pen into the netbook/notebook and save a digital copy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057694</id>
	<title>Re:Notebook and Webcam/Camera Phone and OneNote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265561940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And what if OneNote is not an option?  I don't have Windows on my laptop and I'm not about to switch.  Are there any good notetaking applications for Linux that match the functionality?  Even with the ability to record and take images, I'm much faster at writing on paper for my engineering notes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And what if OneNote is not an option ?
I do n't have Windows on my laptop and I 'm not about to switch .
Are there any good notetaking applications for Linux that match the functionality ?
Even with the ability to record and take images , I 'm much faster at writing on paper for my engineering notes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And what if OneNote is not an option?
I don't have Windows on my laptop and I'm not about to switch.
Are there any good notetaking applications for Linux that match the functionality?
Even with the ability to record and take images, I'm much faster at writing on paper for my engineering notes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054552</id>
	<title>Mix them</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1265535540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Pen and paper for diagrams.
</p><p>
Notebook/netbook for plain text.
</p><p>
Convert your hand-drawn diagrams later, using a scanner or re-draw using a graphics tablet after class.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pen and paper for diagrams .
Notebook/netbook for plain text .
Convert your hand-drawn diagrams later , using a scanner or re-draw using a graphics tablet after class .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Pen and paper for diagrams.
Notebook/netbook for plain text.
Convert your hand-drawn diagrams later, using a scanner or re-draw using a graphics tablet after class.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054768</id>
	<title>I Totally Agree</title>
	<author>viraltus</author>
	<datestamp>1265536980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe only boring teachers do that to avoid their students to fall asleep. Unfortunately, instead trying to stop being boring they just add to the boredom a bit of torture so that they can feel good about themselves. They should check the definition of "note" anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe only boring teachers do that to avoid their students to fall asleep .
Unfortunately , instead trying to stop being boring they just add to the boredom a bit of torture so that they can feel good about themselves .
They should check the definition of " note " anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe only boring teachers do that to avoid their students to fall asleep.
Unfortunately, instead trying to stop being boring they just add to the boredom a bit of torture so that they can feel good about themselves.
They should check the definition of "note" anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056084</id>
	<title>Re:Pulse Pen</title>
	<author>Screen404-O</author>
	<datestamp>1265545920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes you can print them to PDF or any other printer. It works on MAC and Windows. You can also upload notes with audio to the website to share with others. You can quickly move through audio by moving the pen to the portion of notes. The Notes are stored in side LiveDesktop with the notebooks. You can name notebooks as you like and write in a different notebooks depending on the subject.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes you can print them to PDF or any other printer .
It works on MAC and Windows .
You can also upload notes with audio to the website to share with others .
You can quickly move through audio by moving the pen to the portion of notes .
The Notes are stored in side LiveDesktop with the notebooks .
You can name notebooks as you like and write in a different notebooks depending on the subject .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes you can print them to PDF or any other printer.
It works on MAC and Windows.
You can also upload notes with audio to the website to share with others.
You can quickly move through audio by moving the pen to the portion of notes.
The Notes are stored in side LiveDesktop with the notebooks.
You can name notebooks as you like and write in a different notebooks depending on the subject.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056070</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take notes during lectures</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265545800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You either took pansy couses or had shitty professors.</p><p>I had a number of fantastic courses throughout my undergraduate and graduate career where the lectures were packed full of information that existed nowhere else in the world other than the professor's head.  True the lower tier / uninterested profs will just parrot the text book, but the good ones are giving you insight to the material  that they've garnered over a lifetime of study.  Try enrolling in a state school where the profs actually enjoy teaching, not some shitty ivy league corpse where the students attend to network and the profs teach out of obligation.</p><p>Moreover, for any cutting edge field there simply aren't textbooks that you could hope to read.  The huge explosion of research in biophysics/bioengineering is one example.  In that case you are relying on the prof to guide you through a sea information constantly in flux.  I can think of atleast three instances where my profs were in the process of writing textbooks in collaboration with faculty from other institutions because there simply didn't exist a textbook at time that would cover the material.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You either took pansy couses or had shitty professors.I had a number of fantastic courses throughout my undergraduate and graduate career where the lectures were packed full of information that existed nowhere else in the world other than the professor 's head .
True the lower tier / uninterested profs will just parrot the text book , but the good ones are giving you insight to the material that they 've garnered over a lifetime of study .
Try enrolling in a state school where the profs actually enjoy teaching , not some shitty ivy league corpse where the students attend to network and the profs teach out of obligation.Moreover , for any cutting edge field there simply are n't textbooks that you could hope to read .
The huge explosion of research in biophysics/bioengineering is one example .
In that case you are relying on the prof to guide you through a sea information constantly in flux .
I can think of atleast three instances where my profs were in the process of writing textbooks in collaboration with faculty from other institutions because there simply did n't exist a textbook at time that would cover the material .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You either took pansy couses or had shitty professors.I had a number of fantastic courses throughout my undergraduate and graduate career where the lectures were packed full of information that existed nowhere else in the world other than the professor's head.
True the lower tier / uninterested profs will just parrot the text book, but the good ones are giving you insight to the material  that they've garnered over a lifetime of study.
Try enrolling in a state school where the profs actually enjoy teaching, not some shitty ivy league corpse where the students attend to network and the profs teach out of obligation.Moreover, for any cutting edge field there simply aren't textbooks that you could hope to read.
The huge explosion of research in biophysics/bioengineering is one example.
In that case you are relying on the prof to guide you through a sea information constantly in flux.
I can think of atleast three instances where my profs were in the process of writing textbooks in collaboration with faculty from other institutions because there simply didn't exist a textbook at time that would cover the material.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054562</id>
	<title>Notes?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265535600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Professors should post their slides on the web, and students should spend their time listening, thinking, and asking questions instead of writing.   Anything less and students become mere stenographers, only retaining long enough to commit to paper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Professors should post their slides on the web , and students should spend their time listening , thinking , and asking questions instead of writing .
Anything less and students become mere stenographers , only retaining long enough to commit to paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Professors should post their slides on the web, and students should spend their time listening, thinking, and asking questions instead of writing.
Anything less and students become mere stenographers, only retaining long enough to commit to paper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057210</id>
	<title>Re:Notes</title>
	<author>jayhamm</author>
	<datestamp>1265557440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I can type on my iTouch as fast as most people type on a computer (which is faster than most people write) so I'll be surprised if i cant do the same on an iPad. Get a stylus for your iPad (yeah it's a little annoying it isn't included but whatever) and draw diagrams and stuff and you're probably set. If you just can't type by muscle memory without having a touch keyboard then maybe add a bluetooth keyboard. Add in the ability to record the audio and you can probably get some pretty good notes.

I don't buy the handwriting being better for memory. It's probably just whatever you're used to. I always type my notes on my laptop and I find it less distracting than writing. The diagram thing is a point but having a screen you can draw on would take care of it.</p></div><p>Yeah but can you type with the same amount of accuracy as someone on a computer while looking at the board?  I find that highly unlikely.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can type on my iTouch as fast as most people type on a computer ( which is faster than most people write ) so I 'll be surprised if i cant do the same on an iPad .
Get a stylus for your iPad ( yeah it 's a little annoying it is n't included but whatever ) and draw diagrams and stuff and you 're probably set .
If you just ca n't type by muscle memory without having a touch keyboard then maybe add a bluetooth keyboard .
Add in the ability to record the audio and you can probably get some pretty good notes .
I do n't buy the handwriting being better for memory .
It 's probably just whatever you 're used to .
I always type my notes on my laptop and I find it less distracting than writing .
The diagram thing is a point but having a screen you can draw on would take care of it.Yeah but can you type with the same amount of accuracy as someone on a computer while looking at the board ?
I find that highly unlikely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can type on my iTouch as fast as most people type on a computer (which is faster than most people write) so I'll be surprised if i cant do the same on an iPad.
Get a stylus for your iPad (yeah it's a little annoying it isn't included but whatever) and draw diagrams and stuff and you're probably set.
If you just can't type by muscle memory without having a touch keyboard then maybe add a bluetooth keyboard.
Add in the ability to record the audio and you can probably get some pretty good notes.
I don't buy the handwriting being better for memory.
It's probably just whatever you're used to.
I always type my notes on my laptop and I find it less distracting than writing.
The diagram thing is a point but having a screen you can draw on would take care of it.Yeah but can you type with the same amount of accuracy as someone on a computer while looking at the board?
I find that highly unlikely.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055588</id>
	<title>Oh how I would have loved a netbook</title>
	<author>zuperduperman</author>
	<datestamp>1265542260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone with slow and terribly messy hand writing I would have loved to be able to take today's net books into class. I spent most of my university years frantically writing and so focussed on trying to record what was being said or written that I emerged from lectures not having understood anything, only to get home and find my notes were illegible and useless.  It was a nightmare.</p><p>Unlike most of the others posting my goal in taking notes is not to learn the material. It is to record it with maximum accuracy and recoverability so that when I review it later I understand it, while using the minimum effort so that I can devote my attention to actually understanding what the lecturer is saying.  Being able to type most stuff and take the odd web cam grabs and audio would have made my life so much easier.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone with slow and terribly messy hand writing I would have loved to be able to take today 's net books into class .
I spent most of my university years frantically writing and so focussed on trying to record what was being said or written that I emerged from lectures not having understood anything , only to get home and find my notes were illegible and useless .
It was a nightmare.Unlike most of the others posting my goal in taking notes is not to learn the material .
It is to record it with maximum accuracy and recoverability so that when I review it later I understand it , while using the minimum effort so that I can devote my attention to actually understanding what the lecturer is saying .
Being able to type most stuff and take the odd web cam grabs and audio would have made my life so much easier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone with slow and terribly messy hand writing I would have loved to be able to take today's net books into class.
I spent most of my university years frantically writing and so focussed on trying to record what was being said or written that I emerged from lectures not having understood anything, only to get home and find my notes were illegible and useless.
It was a nightmare.Unlike most of the others posting my goal in taking notes is not to learn the material.
It is to record it with maximum accuracy and recoverability so that when I review it later I understand it, while using the minimum effort so that I can devote my attention to actually understanding what the lecturer is saying.
Being able to type most stuff and take the odd web cam grabs and audio would have made my life so much easier.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055380</id>
	<title>Re:At Law School...</title>
	<author>hedwards</author>
	<datestamp>1265540940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, you can't. I type far faster than most of the populace when I want to, but part of the point of pen and paper is that you have to think about what it is that you're writing. In order for me to crank out text at the highest rate, I have to pretty much skip the step of analyzing the material I'm trying to get down on paper. Sure I might get more information down, but it's less likely to be useful and more likely to include errors.<br> <br>

End result, you may very well have gotten more information total, but it's far less likely to be the information you need. Additionally, you've just pissed off the people in the lecture that are more respectful of their classmates. I paid for the class, I don't see why I should suffer so that somebody else can type during my class time. There's also the bit where a huge number of specialties actually require some degree of drawing. Even in law classes, there's sure to be times when a neatly drawn diagram can better explain what's going on than a large amount of text.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , you ca n't .
I type far faster than most of the populace when I want to , but part of the point of pen and paper is that you have to think about what it is that you 're writing .
In order for me to crank out text at the highest rate , I have to pretty much skip the step of analyzing the material I 'm trying to get down on paper .
Sure I might get more information down , but it 's less likely to be useful and more likely to include errors .
End result , you may very well have gotten more information total , but it 's far less likely to be the information you need .
Additionally , you 've just pissed off the people in the lecture that are more respectful of their classmates .
I paid for the class , I do n't see why I should suffer so that somebody else can type during my class time .
There 's also the bit where a huge number of specialties actually require some degree of drawing .
Even in law classes , there 's sure to be times when a neatly drawn diagram can better explain what 's going on than a large amount of text .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, you can't.
I type far faster than most of the populace when I want to, but part of the point of pen and paper is that you have to think about what it is that you're writing.
In order for me to crank out text at the highest rate, I have to pretty much skip the step of analyzing the material I'm trying to get down on paper.
Sure I might get more information down, but it's less likely to be useful and more likely to include errors.
End result, you may very well have gotten more information total, but it's far less likely to be the information you need.
Additionally, you've just pissed off the people in the lecture that are more respectful of their classmates.
I paid for the class, I don't see why I should suffer so that somebody else can type during my class time.
There's also the bit where a huge number of specialties actually require some degree of drawing.
Even in law classes, there's sure to be times when a neatly drawn diagram can better explain what's going on than a large amount of text.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055472</id>
	<title>Didn't learn anything in Lectures - only Tutorials</title>
	<author>thaig</author>
	<datestamp>1265541480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lectures were mostly a waste of time for me, since they were so one-way. I learned from the coursework and the tutorials where I had to put what I had just read into practice.</p><p>Lecturers rabbiting on was just a waste of time since they never went at my speed (probably rather slow) and I couldn't stop them and say "I just don't understand that" in any of the subjects where I needed to (e.g. maths) because the classes were too large and time too short.</p><p>So personally, I think **** lectures altogether.  Some hours with the textbook and the examples are what I want, together with someone to call on when I am stuck.</p><p>What we needed at my university was a newsgroup where people could ask the lecturer questions after hours and everyone could see the replies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lectures were mostly a waste of time for me , since they were so one-way .
I learned from the coursework and the tutorials where I had to put what I had just read into practice.Lecturers rabbiting on was just a waste of time since they never went at my speed ( probably rather slow ) and I could n't stop them and say " I just do n't understand that " in any of the subjects where I needed to ( e.g .
maths ) because the classes were too large and time too short.So personally , I think * * * * lectures altogether .
Some hours with the textbook and the examples are what I want , together with someone to call on when I am stuck.What we needed at my university was a newsgroup where people could ask the lecturer questions after hours and everyone could see the replies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lectures were mostly a waste of time for me, since they were so one-way.
I learned from the coursework and the tutorials where I had to put what I had just read into practice.Lecturers rabbiting on was just a waste of time since they never went at my speed (probably rather slow) and I couldn't stop them and say "I just don't understand that" in any of the subjects where I needed to (e.g.
maths) because the classes were too large and time too short.So personally, I think **** lectures altogether.
Some hours with the textbook and the examples are what I want, together with someone to call on when I am stuck.What we needed at my university was a newsgroup where people could ask the lecturer questions after hours and everyone could see the replies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31060194</id>
	<title>Re:Notes</title>
	<author>iivel</author>
	<datestamp>1265642040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have to second the use of a regular tablet (or convertible notebook<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... whatever). I also used one similar to:
<a href="http://www.shopping.hp.com/series/category/notebooks/tm2t\_series/3/computer\_store" title="hp.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.shopping.hp.com/series/category/notebooks/tm2t\_series/3/computer\_store</a> [hp.com] for notetaking during my courses. With Office 2007 / 2010 beta the inking support is actually pretty good if you're looking for handwriting recognitions as well.
<br> <br>
If you're not interested in a purely digital approach, I have also used the electronic pen/tablet combos and have been very impressed (plus they are cheap by comparison) <br> <br>
<a href="http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product\_id=5712837&amp;findingMethod=rr" title="walmart.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product\_id=5712837&amp;findingMethod=rr</a> [walmart.com]
<br> <br>
<a href="http://www.walmart.com/ip/Adesso-CYBERPAD-A4-CyberPad-Digital-Notepad/13259130?sourceid=44444444440210055914" title="walmart.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.walmart.com/ip/Adesso-CYBERPAD-A4-CyberPad-Digital-Notepad/13259130?sourceid=44444444440210055914</a> [walmart.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to second the use of a regular tablet ( or convertible notebook ... whatever ) . I also used one similar to : http : //www.shopping.hp.com/series/category/notebooks/tm2t \ _series/3/computer \ _store [ hp.com ] for notetaking during my courses .
With Office 2007 / 2010 beta the inking support is actually pretty good if you 're looking for handwriting recognitions as well .
If you 're not interested in a purely digital approach , I have also used the electronic pen/tablet combos and have been very impressed ( plus they are cheap by comparison ) http : //www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do ? product \ _id = 5712837&amp;findingMethod = rr [ walmart.com ] http : //www.walmart.com/ip/Adesso-CYBERPAD-A4-CyberPad-Digital-Notepad/13259130 ? sourceid = 44444444440210055914 [ walmart.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to second the use of a regular tablet (or convertible notebook ... whatever). I also used one similar to:
http://www.shopping.hp.com/series/category/notebooks/tm2t\_series/3/computer\_store [hp.com] for notetaking during my courses.
With Office 2007 / 2010 beta the inking support is actually pretty good if you're looking for handwriting recognitions as well.
If you're not interested in a purely digital approach, I have also used the electronic pen/tablet combos and have been very impressed (plus they are cheap by comparison)  
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product\_id=5712837&amp;findingMethod=rr [walmart.com]
 
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Adesso-CYBERPAD-A4-CyberPad-Digital-Notepad/13259130?sourceid=44444444440210055914 [walmart.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057078</id>
	<title>Typing can work</title>
	<author>the\_kanzure</author>
	<datestamp>1265556120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You should try typing out the lecture. Here are my results through high school and college (and for the record, you're all wimps and sissies):<br> <br>

<a href="http://heybryan.org/school/Biology/notes/output.html" title="heybryan.org">biology notes</a> [heybryan.org] <br>
<a href="http://heybryan.org/school/buildingbrains/" title="heybryan.org">Building Brains</a> [heybryan.org] (it was a quasi "ai" class)<br>
<a href="http://heybryan.org/school/Psychology/" title="heybryan.org">psych</a> [heybryan.org] <br>
<a href="http://heybryan.org/school/" title="heybryan.org">other crap</a> [heybryan.org] <br>
<br>

Also: learn LaTeX.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You should try typing out the lecture .
Here are my results through high school and college ( and for the record , you 're all wimps and sissies ) : biology notes [ heybryan.org ] Building Brains [ heybryan.org ] ( it was a quasi " ai " class ) psych [ heybryan.org ] other crap [ heybryan.org ] Also : learn LaTeX .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should try typing out the lecture.
Here are my results through high school and college (and for the record, you're all wimps and sissies): 

biology notes [heybryan.org] 
Building Brains [heybryan.org] (it was a quasi "ai" class)
psych [heybryan.org] 
other crap [heybryan.org] 


Also: learn LaTeX.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054528</id>
	<title>Another data point...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265535420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I teach math at a university.  In the last 10 years, I've only had one student who tried to take all her notes with a computer.  This is her third time taking the course.  Coincidence?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I teach math at a university .
In the last 10 years , I 've only had one student who tried to take all her notes with a computer .
This is her third time taking the course .
Coincidence ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I teach math at a university.
In the last 10 years, I've only had one student who tried to take all her notes with a computer.
This is her third time taking the course.
Coincidence?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31066360</id>
	<title>The "write right rite"</title>
	<author>gr8dude</author>
	<datestamp>1265629020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am a strong supporter of the pen and paper approach, I have outlined the arguments in a lecture I held recently; I call it <a href="http://railean.net/index.php/2009/09/15/the\_write\_right\_rite" title="railean.net">The write right rite</a> [railean.net], and it is available for download.</p><p>I'm a teacher (in a technical university), I've discussed this with my students some time after that lecture and asked them whether they apply my hints, and whether they find them efficient. I got really good feedback from them - which is not surprising, since I've been using those techniques myself when I was a student.</p><p>The recommendations I make in my lecture are "platform agnostic", they will work with any mechanism of writing data down. For example, I recommend that the text is translated from one language into another, after you remove the redundancy from it; also - you can transform it from one form into another (ex: what you heard in words can be represented as a chart; or a tree).</p><p>From my experience, with handwriting you can process the input data in multiple passes before you commit it to paper; the more you process it, the more you think about it - the better you understand it. In other words, it will take you less time to review the notes before an exam, and the data will stay in your mind long after the course is over.</p><p>A notebook is certainly not as fast as 'pen and paper'. A PDA - same thing: I used to rely on my Palm PDA a lot, and I was very fast with both of their text input systems, but I could only keep up with courses where the data were just text and where the teachers used a lot of redundancy in their messages; as soon as there were any diagrams or formula - a Palm just didn't work.</p><p>A tablet PC could be a good alternative - it is a sheet of paper of an infinite size + you get a lot of aids (calculator, search function, drawing tools). But it is bigger than paper, it consumes power...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a strong supporter of the pen and paper approach , I have outlined the arguments in a lecture I held recently ; I call it The write right rite [ railean.net ] , and it is available for download.I 'm a teacher ( in a technical university ) , I 've discussed this with my students some time after that lecture and asked them whether they apply my hints , and whether they find them efficient .
I got really good feedback from them - which is not surprising , since I 've been using those techniques myself when I was a student.The recommendations I make in my lecture are " platform agnostic " , they will work with any mechanism of writing data down .
For example , I recommend that the text is translated from one language into another , after you remove the redundancy from it ; also - you can transform it from one form into another ( ex : what you heard in words can be represented as a chart ; or a tree ) .From my experience , with handwriting you can process the input data in multiple passes before you commit it to paper ; the more you process it , the more you think about it - the better you understand it .
In other words , it will take you less time to review the notes before an exam , and the data will stay in your mind long after the course is over.A notebook is certainly not as fast as 'pen and paper' .
A PDA - same thing : I used to rely on my Palm PDA a lot , and I was very fast with both of their text input systems , but I could only keep up with courses where the data were just text and where the teachers used a lot of redundancy in their messages ; as soon as there were any diagrams or formula - a Palm just did n't work.A tablet PC could be a good alternative - it is a sheet of paper of an infinite size + you get a lot of aids ( calculator , search function , drawing tools ) .
But it is bigger than paper , it consumes power.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a strong supporter of the pen and paper approach, I have outlined the arguments in a lecture I held recently; I call it The write right rite [railean.net], and it is available for download.I'm a teacher (in a technical university), I've discussed this with my students some time after that lecture and asked them whether they apply my hints, and whether they find them efficient.
I got really good feedback from them - which is not surprising, since I've been using those techniques myself when I was a student.The recommendations I make in my lecture are "platform agnostic", they will work with any mechanism of writing data down.
For example, I recommend that the text is translated from one language into another, after you remove the redundancy from it; also - you can transform it from one form into another (ex: what you heard in words can be represented as a chart; or a tree).From my experience, with handwriting you can process the input data in multiple passes before you commit it to paper; the more you process it, the more you think about it - the better you understand it.
In other words, it will take you less time to review the notes before an exam, and the data will stay in your mind long after the course is over.A notebook is certainly not as fast as 'pen and paper'.
A PDA - same thing: I used to rely on my Palm PDA a lot, and I was very fast with both of their text input systems, but I could only keep up with courses where the data were just text and where the teachers used a lot of redundancy in their messages; as soon as there were any diagrams or formula - a Palm just didn't work.A tablet PC could be a good alternative - it is a sheet of paper of an infinite size + you get a lot of aids (calculator, search function, drawing tools).
But it is bigger than paper, it consumes power...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055358</id>
	<title>iPhone is the handiest</title>
	<author>Werrismys</author>
	<datestamp>1265540820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>a phone is always with you. a pencil + notepad thing is a two-part potential failure, you can be out of paper or missing a pen.<p>
a phone is always with you.
I find the iPhone(tm)(r)(c) is very handy when taking notes. What makes it even handier is the way everything in iphone is backed up to your desktop machine which in turn is getting backed up...
</p><p>
I tried using calendars, memos and stuff with nokias. NOT WORTH THE HASSLE, basically I lost all my data periodically and it was hellish to use. iPhone makes it actually easy and I have yet to lose any data.
</p><p>
Usability is king.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>a phone is always with you .
a pencil + notepad thing is a two-part potential failure , you can be out of paper or missing a pen .
a phone is always with you .
I find the iPhone ( tm ) ( r ) ( c ) is very handy when taking notes .
What makes it even handier is the way everything in iphone is backed up to your desktop machine which in turn is getting backed up.. . I tried using calendars , memos and stuff with nokias .
NOT WORTH THE HASSLE , basically I lost all my data periodically and it was hellish to use .
iPhone makes it actually easy and I have yet to lose any data .
Usability is king .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a phone is always with you.
a pencil + notepad thing is a two-part potential failure, you can be out of paper or missing a pen.
a phone is always with you.
I find the iPhone(tm)(r)(c) is very handy when taking notes.
What makes it even handier is the way everything in iphone is backed up to your desktop machine which in turn is getting backed up...

I tried using calendars, memos and stuff with nokias.
NOT WORTH THE HASSLE, basically I lost all my data periodically and it was hellish to use.
iPhone makes it actually easy and I have yet to lose any data.
Usability is king.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057320</id>
	<title>Realization</title>
	<author>dcollins</author>
	<datestamp>1265558340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is semi-offtopic, but it's something I wish I'd realized sooner. After getting two bachelor's degrees, near the end of my graduate program in math the following occurred to me: I didn't really have to take class notes in the first place. In my last year or so, I just put everything away, kept my desk clear, and just <i>listened</i> to the professor. Anything I needed later was already in a book somwhere I could look up, so what the hey. Relaxing comfortably and watching the professor fully all the time kept my train of thought on-topic and focussed, freed me from up-and-down context switching, and left me better prepared later on.</p><p>I know it's a hard habit to shake with everyone in schools everywhere taking notes all the time. But truthfully I would have been better off never doing that in the first place, and just listening carefully.</p><p>Maybe I'm (a) different, or (b) mistaken, or (c) on to something that one or two other people might find useful. Wish I'd known it sooner.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is semi-offtopic , but it 's something I wish I 'd realized sooner .
After getting two bachelor 's degrees , near the end of my graduate program in math the following occurred to me : I did n't really have to take class notes in the first place .
In my last year or so , I just put everything away , kept my desk clear , and just listened to the professor .
Anything I needed later was already in a book somwhere I could look up , so what the hey .
Relaxing comfortably and watching the professor fully all the time kept my train of thought on-topic and focussed , freed me from up-and-down context switching , and left me better prepared later on.I know it 's a hard habit to shake with everyone in schools everywhere taking notes all the time .
But truthfully I would have been better off never doing that in the first place , and just listening carefully.Maybe I 'm ( a ) different , or ( b ) mistaken , or ( c ) on to something that one or two other people might find useful .
Wish I 'd known it sooner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is semi-offtopic, but it's something I wish I'd realized sooner.
After getting two bachelor's degrees, near the end of my graduate program in math the following occurred to me: I didn't really have to take class notes in the first place.
In my last year or so, I just put everything away, kept my desk clear, and just listened to the professor.
Anything I needed later was already in a book somwhere I could look up, so what the hey.
Relaxing comfortably and watching the professor fully all the time kept my train of thought on-topic and focussed, freed me from up-and-down context switching, and left me better prepared later on.I know it's a hard habit to shake with everyone in schools everywhere taking notes all the time.
But truthfully I would have been better off never doing that in the first place, and just listening carefully.Maybe I'm (a) different, or (b) mistaken, or (c) on to something that one or two other people might find useful.
Wish I'd known it sooner.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057088</id>
	<title>Tablet PC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265556180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm surprised no one has mentioned the proper tablet PC option. I'm in 3rd year EEng and there's about 15-20 people in my classes (myself included) that use tablet PCs.</p><p>I bought a 5 year old motion M1300 off ebay for about $300 and it works great for note taking. I'm using OneNote 2007 and have no problems with speed. There is no way I could type in graphs and equations fast enough but writing on the tablet using a proper stylus is just as easy as writing on paper. Plus my notes are way better organized now since I can re-order and index pages.</p><p>I don't see the I-pad being any sort of competitor to these devices. Most people use either a cheap HP convertible tablet or a Lenovo X-series tablet. All the tablet computers use some sort of wacom tablet built into the screen. I very much doublt that capacitive touch could work for handwriting, even If you had a proper stylus.</p><p>Most teachers have powerpoint slides online and I just drop them into my notes and take notes on top of them. It's the best of both worlds because I don't need to print out the slides but I can still write on them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised no one has mentioned the proper tablet PC option .
I 'm in 3rd year EEng and there 's about 15-20 people in my classes ( myself included ) that use tablet PCs.I bought a 5 year old motion M1300 off ebay for about $ 300 and it works great for note taking .
I 'm using OneNote 2007 and have no problems with speed .
There is no way I could type in graphs and equations fast enough but writing on the tablet using a proper stylus is just as easy as writing on paper .
Plus my notes are way better organized now since I can re-order and index pages.I do n't see the I-pad being any sort of competitor to these devices .
Most people use either a cheap HP convertible tablet or a Lenovo X-series tablet .
All the tablet computers use some sort of wacom tablet built into the screen .
I very much doublt that capacitive touch could work for handwriting , even If you had a proper stylus.Most teachers have powerpoint slides online and I just drop them into my notes and take notes on top of them .
It 's the best of both worlds because I do n't need to print out the slides but I can still write on them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised no one has mentioned the proper tablet PC option.
I'm in 3rd year EEng and there's about 15-20 people in my classes (myself included) that use tablet PCs.I bought a 5 year old motion M1300 off ebay for about $300 and it works great for note taking.
I'm using OneNote 2007 and have no problems with speed.
There is no way I could type in graphs and equations fast enough but writing on the tablet using a proper stylus is just as easy as writing on paper.
Plus my notes are way better organized now since I can re-order and index pages.I don't see the I-pad being any sort of competitor to these devices.
Most people use either a cheap HP convertible tablet or a Lenovo X-series tablet.
All the tablet computers use some sort of wacom tablet built into the screen.
I very much doublt that capacitive touch could work for handwriting, even If you had a proper stylus.Most teachers have powerpoint slides online and I just drop them into my notes and take notes on top of them.
It's the best of both worlds because I don't need to print out the slides but I can still write on them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054618</id>
	<title>Note-taking is a life-long skill</title>
	<author>managerialslime</author>
	<datestamp>1265535960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While no-one cares in college, there are still people in the business world who become annoyed if you take notes on a PC during business meetings.  For whatever reasons, pen-and-paper skills are still important at higher levels.  (Something about body language, eye contact, and putting others at ease.)</p><p>I'm hoping the Apple iPad or the coming HP Slate will not incur this stupid prejudice, but need to be prepared in any environment.</p><p>Analogous to your professors' white board diagrams, business white boards also contain knowledge that your re-copying will lose as you struggle to keep up.</p><p>To deal with high level meetings, I bring my notebook, but also pen and paper and use that which is appropriate for the audience I am dealing with.</p><p>To deal with the whiteboard issue, my laptop case ALWAYS also has my camera.  I photograph the white board at various times during the meeting.  By definition, my photos are always 100\% accurate.  Oddly enough, the same people annoyed by computer note taking never seem to take offence at snapping pictures of the white board.</p><p>After the meeting, I'll scan any hand-written notes AND my digital images into a single Word document.</p><p>Good luck!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While no-one cares in college , there are still people in the business world who become annoyed if you take notes on a PC during business meetings .
For whatever reasons , pen-and-paper skills are still important at higher levels .
( Something about body language , eye contact , and putting others at ease .
) I 'm hoping the Apple iPad or the coming HP Slate will not incur this stupid prejudice , but need to be prepared in any environment.Analogous to your professors ' white board diagrams , business white boards also contain knowledge that your re-copying will lose as you struggle to keep up.To deal with high level meetings , I bring my notebook , but also pen and paper and use that which is appropriate for the audience I am dealing with.To deal with the whiteboard issue , my laptop case ALWAYS also has my camera .
I photograph the white board at various times during the meeting .
By definition , my photos are always 100 \ % accurate .
Oddly enough , the same people annoyed by computer note taking never seem to take offence at snapping pictures of the white board.After the meeting , I 'll scan any hand-written notes AND my digital images into a single Word document.Good luck !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While no-one cares in college, there are still people in the business world who become annoyed if you take notes on a PC during business meetings.
For whatever reasons, pen-and-paper skills are still important at higher levels.
(Something about body language, eye contact, and putting others at ease.
)I'm hoping the Apple iPad or the coming HP Slate will not incur this stupid prejudice, but need to be prepared in any environment.Analogous to your professors' white board diagrams, business white boards also contain knowledge that your re-copying will lose as you struggle to keep up.To deal with high level meetings, I bring my notebook, but also pen and paper and use that which is appropriate for the audience I am dealing with.To deal with the whiteboard issue, my laptop case ALWAYS also has my camera.
I photograph the white board at various times during the meeting.
By definition, my photos are always 100\% accurate.
Oddly enough, the same people annoyed by computer note taking never seem to take offence at snapping pictures of the white board.After the meeting, I'll scan any hand-written notes AND my digital images into a single Word document.Good luck!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054958</id>
	<title>Taking notes is a distraction</title>
	<author>Singularitarian2048</author>
	<datestamp>1265538420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Taking notes has always detracted from my understanding of a lecture.  A considerable portion of my attention is spent keeping things in short term memory until you can write them down.  Meanwhile, the professor is already saying new things.<br><br>I rarely manage to write down the special insights that the professor says out loud but does not write on the board, even though these are often the most valuable parts of the lecture.<br><br>Now days I take notes with an electronic pen that records audio along with the notes I'm taking, and can play them back synchronized.  But it's not as good as a video lecture would be.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Taking notes has always detracted from my understanding of a lecture .
A considerable portion of my attention is spent keeping things in short term memory until you can write them down .
Meanwhile , the professor is already saying new things.I rarely manage to write down the special insights that the professor says out loud but does not write on the board , even though these are often the most valuable parts of the lecture.Now days I take notes with an electronic pen that records audio along with the notes I 'm taking , and can play them back synchronized .
But it 's not as good as a video lecture would be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Taking notes has always detracted from my understanding of a lecture.
A considerable portion of my attention is spent keeping things in short term memory until you can write them down.
Meanwhile, the professor is already saying new things.I rarely manage to write down the special insights that the professor says out loud but does not write on the board, even though these are often the most valuable parts of the lecture.Now days I take notes with an electronic pen that records audio along with the notes I'm taking, and can play them back synchronized.
But it's not as good as a video lecture would be.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054772</id>
	<title>Re:Notes</title>
	<author>nicknamenotavailable</author>
	<datestamp>1265536980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't want to seem like a troll, but while you did mention HP twice in your post you also said that previously you used a <b>Fountain</b> pen for note-taking.<br>
If you know how to use a fountain pen, chances are your writing is far better than the majority of the (younger)population out there, many of whom have never even seen a fountain pen. Therefore your experience with hand writing recognition software will be different than most.<br>But can you elaborate on what software you use?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't want to seem like a troll , but while you did mention HP twice in your post you also said that previously you used a Fountain pen for note-taking .
If you know how to use a fountain pen , chances are your writing is far better than the majority of the ( younger ) population out there , many of whom have never even seen a fountain pen .
Therefore your experience with hand writing recognition software will be different than most.But can you elaborate on what software you use ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't want to seem like a troll, but while you did mention HP twice in your post you also said that previously you used a Fountain pen for note-taking.
If you know how to use a fountain pen, chances are your writing is far better than the majority of the (younger)population out there, many of whom have never even seen a fountain pen.
Therefore your experience with hand writing recognition software will be different than most.But can you elaborate on what software you use?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055652</id>
	<title>Meh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265542740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Real students don't take notes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Real students do n't take notes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Real students don't take notes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31060674</id>
	<title>OneNote OneNote OneNote.</title>
	<author>AugstWest</author>
	<datestamp>1265645880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, it's a Microsoft product, but they bought it after it was already kickass, and have done very little to promote it, which sucks because it's an amazing product.</p><p>You can record audio of lectures, then text search for keywords later. That alone makes it the best thing I've seen for dealing with lectures, but throw in all of its prodigious abilities to organize and reorganize notes, bring in links, images, video, etc from other sources....</p><p>Sadly, it's not a Mac/Linux product, but if you're carrying a Windows laptop to class with you, I don't think you could do much better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , it 's a Microsoft product , but they bought it after it was already kickass , and have done very little to promote it , which sucks because it 's an amazing product.You can record audio of lectures , then text search for keywords later .
That alone makes it the best thing I 've seen for dealing with lectures , but throw in all of its prodigious abilities to organize and reorganize notes , bring in links , images , video , etc from other sources....Sadly , it 's not a Mac/Linux product , but if you 're carrying a Windows laptop to class with you , I do n't think you could do much better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, it's a Microsoft product, but they bought it after it was already kickass, and have done very little to promote it, which sucks because it's an amazing product.You can record audio of lectures, then text search for keywords later.
That alone makes it the best thing I've seen for dealing with lectures, but throw in all of its prodigious abilities to organize and reorganize notes, bring in links, images, video, etc from other sources....Sadly, it's not a Mac/Linux product, but if you're carrying a Windows laptop to class with you, I don't think you could do much better.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055144</id>
	<title>Re:At Law School...</title>
	<author>dancingmad</author>
	<datestamp>1265539500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also, you may get more "information," typing down, but I feel like in actuality most students typing notes are acting more like stenographers than note takers.  They don't process anything they hear, they just copy it down verbatim.  Writing by hand, I have to measure what is being said, digest it to some degree, and then write down the important part.  Occasionally I miss something, when the professor is going a mile a minute, but I have never had a problem going up to the professor after the class and asking about what I missed.</p><p>This would be more difficult if I didn't do the homework (another reason why so many students take notes on their laptop, I think), but since I usually do, I have an idea of what the cases are about and usually have highlighted important parts of the case.  More often than not, my pre-class notes in the case are what the professor touches on anyway, so I just have to underline (I use a red pen in class, black or blue for pre-class notes, and various color highlighting for parts of the case before class) things I have already read, noted, and highlighted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , you may get more " information , " typing down , but I feel like in actuality most students typing notes are acting more like stenographers than note takers .
They do n't process anything they hear , they just copy it down verbatim .
Writing by hand , I have to measure what is being said , digest it to some degree , and then write down the important part .
Occasionally I miss something , when the professor is going a mile a minute , but I have never had a problem going up to the professor after the class and asking about what I missed.This would be more difficult if I did n't do the homework ( another reason why so many students take notes on their laptop , I think ) , but since I usually do , I have an idea of what the cases are about and usually have highlighted important parts of the case .
More often than not , my pre-class notes in the case are what the professor touches on anyway , so I just have to underline ( I use a red pen in class , black or blue for pre-class notes , and various color highlighting for parts of the case before class ) things I have already read , noted , and highlighted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, you may get more "information," typing down, but I feel like in actuality most students typing notes are acting more like stenographers than note takers.
They don't process anything they hear, they just copy it down verbatim.
Writing by hand, I have to measure what is being said, digest it to some degree, and then write down the important part.
Occasionally I miss something, when the professor is going a mile a minute, but I have never had a problem going up to the professor after the class and asking about what I missed.This would be more difficult if I didn't do the homework (another reason why so many students take notes on their laptop, I think), but since I usually do, I have an idea of what the cases are about and usually have highlighted important parts of the case.
More often than not, my pre-class notes in the case are what the professor touches on anyway, so I just have to underline (I use a red pen in class, black or blue for pre-class notes, and various color highlighting for parts of the case before class) things I have already read, noted, and highlighted.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055446</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>praksys</author>
	<datestamp>1265541360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The single most effective way to fix knowledge in your memory is to express it to someone else. The very best way to do this is to teach it to someone else, but writing it down in your own words is also pretty good, and much easier to do when you are sitting in class. So the point of writing notes is to fix knowledge in your memory, and the point of reading your own notes later is to reinforce the memories formed when <i>when you wrote those notes</i>. Notes prepared by someone else are almost entirely useless for this purpose; you might as well read the textbook.</p><p>Where many students go wrong is that they write notes like minutes for a meeting. They aim for a complete record of everything that was said and done. What they should do is listen, think about what is said, identify the key ideas that the teacher is trying to convey, and write those ideas down in their own words. Asking questions is also good, but you will probably ask better questions if you get the note taking part right because, as you try to express the ideas in your own words, the points that you don't understand will become obvious.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The single most effective way to fix knowledge in your memory is to express it to someone else .
The very best way to do this is to teach it to someone else , but writing it down in your own words is also pretty good , and much easier to do when you are sitting in class .
So the point of writing notes is to fix knowledge in your memory , and the point of reading your own notes later is to reinforce the memories formed when when you wrote those notes .
Notes prepared by someone else are almost entirely useless for this purpose ; you might as well read the textbook.Where many students go wrong is that they write notes like minutes for a meeting .
They aim for a complete record of everything that was said and done .
What they should do is listen , think about what is said , identify the key ideas that the teacher is trying to convey , and write those ideas down in their own words .
Asking questions is also good , but you will probably ask better questions if you get the note taking part right because , as you try to express the ideas in your own words , the points that you do n't understand will become obvious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The single most effective way to fix knowledge in your memory is to express it to someone else.
The very best way to do this is to teach it to someone else, but writing it down in your own words is also pretty good, and much easier to do when you are sitting in class.
So the point of writing notes is to fix knowledge in your memory, and the point of reading your own notes later is to reinforce the memories formed when when you wrote those notes.
Notes prepared by someone else are almost entirely useless for this purpose; you might as well read the textbook.Where many students go wrong is that they write notes like minutes for a meeting.
They aim for a complete record of everything that was said and done.
What they should do is listen, think about what is said, identify the key ideas that the teacher is trying to convey, and write those ideas down in their own words.
Asking questions is also good, but you will probably ask better questions if you get the note taking part right because, as you try to express the ideas in your own words, the points that you don't understand will become obvious.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055130</id>
	<title>Re:Notes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265539440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>sopssa is a known bullshitter. If you don't believe me, check his posting history. Being one of three or four paying Slashdot subscribers, he posts first in nearly every topic, all day long.</p><p>Some people here suspect that sopssa used to post here as <a href="http://slashdot.org/~TripMasterMonkey" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">TripMaster Monkey</a> [slashdot.org], who was also a Slashdot subscriber and who has a similar posting pattern.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>sopssa is a known bullshitter .
If you do n't believe me , check his posting history .
Being one of three or four paying Slashdot subscribers , he posts first in nearly every topic , all day long.Some people here suspect that sopssa used to post here as TripMaster Monkey [ slashdot.org ] , who was also a Slashdot subscriber and who has a similar posting pattern .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sopssa is a known bullshitter.
If you don't believe me, check his posting history.
Being one of three or four paying Slashdot subscribers, he posts first in nearly every topic, all day long.Some people here suspect that sopssa used to post here as TripMaster Monkey [slashdot.org], who was also a Slashdot subscriber and who has a similar posting pattern.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055662</id>
	<title>Re:Pulse Pen</title>
	<author>ctmurray</author>
	<datestamp>1265542860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am interested in your experience using the Smartpen. Do you have time to go back and review your notes or listen to the audio? Do you transfer the notes to PDF and file the documents in your normal folders on your computer? Seems like a good product. In grad school we took notes in class and then re-wrote them into another notebook. We consulted with classmates in case our notes were vague or missing. We then used our condensed notes to study for the qualifying exams. But that took a great deal of time and had very high value, so we put in the time. At work I might not have too much "review time" but it would be nice to have my notes somewhere in one place that I can search upon. Currently handwritten notes go into folders, but you have to remember which folder you might have stored the note. If I write clearly enough it sounds like you can search entire notebooks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am interested in your experience using the Smartpen .
Do you have time to go back and review your notes or listen to the audio ?
Do you transfer the notes to PDF and file the documents in your normal folders on your computer ?
Seems like a good product .
In grad school we took notes in class and then re-wrote them into another notebook .
We consulted with classmates in case our notes were vague or missing .
We then used our condensed notes to study for the qualifying exams .
But that took a great deal of time and had very high value , so we put in the time .
At work I might not have too much " review time " but it would be nice to have my notes somewhere in one place that I can search upon .
Currently handwritten notes go into folders , but you have to remember which folder you might have stored the note .
If I write clearly enough it sounds like you can search entire notebooks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am interested in your experience using the Smartpen.
Do you have time to go back and review your notes or listen to the audio?
Do you transfer the notes to PDF and file the documents in your normal folders on your computer?
Seems like a good product.
In grad school we took notes in class and then re-wrote them into another notebook.
We consulted with classmates in case our notes were vague or missing.
We then used our condensed notes to study for the qualifying exams.
But that took a great deal of time and had very high value, so we put in the time.
At work I might not have too much "review time" but it would be nice to have my notes somewhere in one place that I can search upon.
Currently handwritten notes go into folders, but you have to remember which folder you might have stored the note.
If I write clearly enough it sounds like you can search entire notebooks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054782</id>
	<title>Learn LaTeX</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265537040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Super easy for all matter of equations and even has some functionality for diagrams. http://www.latex-project.org/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Super easy for all matter of equations and even has some functionality for diagrams .
http : //www.latex-project.org/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Super easy for all matter of equations and even has some functionality for diagrams.
http://www.latex-project.org/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055054</id>
	<title>Re:At Law School...</title>
	<author>dancingmad</author>
	<datestamp>1265539080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am in law school and I don't use a laptop.  It maybe that in property my professor was a math major in undergrad and likes doing econ and math to help our understanding of property disputes or my civil procedure professor who likes flow charts and Venn diagrams (there are a few diagrams and some equations in law school).  It even helps with BPL formulas in torts.  I also draw pictures next to most of my cases to remind me of what happened in them (I do this before reading, usually, but occasionally I have to sketch something during class; in either case I couldn't do this with notes on the computer easily).</p><p>Also Plants vs. Zombies, e-mail, and Gchat are terrible distractions.</p><p>While the majority of people do use laptops, I and a few others don't.  I write all my notes in the margins of my text books and it's worked pretty fine so far.  I do carry my laptop to school and use it to get email between classes, to make my notes into outlines, and whatever else.</p><p>In either case, I do a lot of people slacking off and playing games in classes or checking email or shopping.  I think it's disrespectful to the professor and rude.  If you want to slack off, don't come.  Since I learn best from the class itself, I also find it counterproductive.</p><p>My notes are more thorough, things that are not text can be written clearly, and I don't feel like I am hiding from my professor.  I think it has contributed to my grades.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am in law school and I do n't use a laptop .
It maybe that in property my professor was a math major in undergrad and likes doing econ and math to help our understanding of property disputes or my civil procedure professor who likes flow charts and Venn diagrams ( there are a few diagrams and some equations in law school ) .
It even helps with BPL formulas in torts .
I also draw pictures next to most of my cases to remind me of what happened in them ( I do this before reading , usually , but occasionally I have to sketch something during class ; in either case I could n't do this with notes on the computer easily ) .Also Plants vs. Zombies , e-mail , and Gchat are terrible distractions.While the majority of people do use laptops , I and a few others do n't .
I write all my notes in the margins of my text books and it 's worked pretty fine so far .
I do carry my laptop to school and use it to get email between classes , to make my notes into outlines , and whatever else.In either case , I do a lot of people slacking off and playing games in classes or checking email or shopping .
I think it 's disrespectful to the professor and rude .
If you want to slack off , do n't come .
Since I learn best from the class itself , I also find it counterproductive.My notes are more thorough , things that are not text can be written clearly , and I do n't feel like I am hiding from my professor .
I think it has contributed to my grades .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am in law school and I don't use a laptop.
It maybe that in property my professor was a math major in undergrad and likes doing econ and math to help our understanding of property disputes or my civil procedure professor who likes flow charts and Venn diagrams (there are a few diagrams and some equations in law school).
It even helps with BPL formulas in torts.
I also draw pictures next to most of my cases to remind me of what happened in them (I do this before reading, usually, but occasionally I have to sketch something during class; in either case I couldn't do this with notes on the computer easily).Also Plants vs. Zombies, e-mail, and Gchat are terrible distractions.While the majority of people do use laptops, I and a few others don't.
I write all my notes in the margins of my text books and it's worked pretty fine so far.
I do carry my laptop to school and use it to get email between classes, to make my notes into outlines, and whatever else.In either case, I do a lot of people slacking off and playing games in classes or checking email or shopping.
I think it's disrespectful to the professor and rude.
If you want to slack off, don't come.
Since I learn best from the class itself, I also find it counterproductive.My notes are more thorough, things that are not text can be written clearly, and I don't feel like I am hiding from my professor.
I think it has contributed to my grades.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055686</id>
	<title>more useful for recopying notes to digital form</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265543100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a big fan re-writing notes, it forces you to re-examine the stuff that didn't totally sink in<br>during lecture. Rewriting them in digital form makes it that much more portable, cleaner, and<br>you can bring your friends up to speed faster. Engineering notebooks (wire bound) plus a good<br>mechanical pencil was what I settled while I was an engineering student. Couple re-writing<br>the notes in digital form with a audio recording of the lecture and you're golden. Alternatively,<br>you can scan your notes in and then annotate them.</p><p>Tablet computers were always good for homework.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a big fan re-writing notes , it forces you to re-examine the stuff that did n't totally sink induring lecture .
Rewriting them in digital form makes it that much more portable , cleaner , andyou can bring your friends up to speed faster .
Engineering notebooks ( wire bound ) plus a goodmechanical pencil was what I settled while I was an engineering student .
Couple re-writingthe notes in digital form with a audio recording of the lecture and you 're golden .
Alternatively,you can scan your notes in and then annotate them.Tablet computers were always good for homework .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a big fan re-writing notes, it forces you to re-examine the stuff that didn't totally sink induring lecture.
Rewriting them in digital form makes it that much more portable, cleaner, andyou can bring your friends up to speed faster.
Engineering notebooks (wire bound) plus a goodmechanical pencil was what I settled while I was an engineering student.
Couple re-writingthe notes in digital form with a audio recording of the lecture and you're golden.
Alternatively,you can scan your notes in and then annotate them.Tablet computers were always good for homework.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056938</id>
	<title>penismightier?</title>
	<author>omission9</author>
	<datestamp>1265554560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Trebek, if you are selling penismightiers I'll take a dozen!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Trebek , if you are selling penismightiers I 'll take a dozen !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Trebek, if you are selling penismightiers I'll take a dozen!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31059974</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265640480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In my engineering curriculum, it is mandatory for all students to have purchased a convertible tablet laptop. Nearly everybody uses it for note-taking in class, annotating the powerpoint slides provided by the professors. It is invaluable for writing down complex mathematical formulas; being able to to copy, paste, and change pen colors and highlight seamlessly lets me focus on what's being said, not on keeping up. I have three semesters worth of class notes stored on my computer as MS OneNote notebooks, instead of millions of folders scattered throughout my room.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In my engineering curriculum , it is mandatory for all students to have purchased a convertible tablet laptop .
Nearly everybody uses it for note-taking in class , annotating the powerpoint slides provided by the professors .
It is invaluable for writing down complex mathematical formulas ; being able to to copy , paste , and change pen colors and highlight seamlessly lets me focus on what 's being said , not on keeping up .
I have three semesters worth of class notes stored on my computer as MS OneNote notebooks , instead of millions of folders scattered throughout my room .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my engineering curriculum, it is mandatory for all students to have purchased a convertible tablet laptop.
Nearly everybody uses it for note-taking in class, annotating the powerpoint slides provided by the professors.
It is invaluable for writing down complex mathematical formulas; being able to to copy, paste, and change pen colors and highlight seamlessly lets me focus on what's being said, not on keeping up.
I have three semesters worth of class notes stored on my computer as MS OneNote notebooks, instead of millions of folders scattered throughout my room.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054906</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>csokat</author>
	<datestamp>1265538000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The best professors I had we're chalk and board - no need for slides.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The best professors I had we 're chalk and board - no need for slides .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best professors I had we're chalk and board - no need for slides.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057014</id>
	<title>penismightier</title>
	<author>Ultra64</author>
	<datestamp>1265555220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But will it really mighty my penis?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But will it really mighty my penis ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But will it really mighty my penis?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057614</id>
	<title>Re:ipad... huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265561040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because even after the "godly" iPad which sparked the whole "computerised notepad craze", hardly anyone knows about the existance of Tablet PCs. I have been using a Tablet PC since 2006, and today I still get the occasional amazed stares and "Wow! What's that?!" from people when I whip out a stylus and starts scribbling on the screen or rotate the screen to convert the thing into tablet mode. The majority of the public will think that Apple revolutionised this sector, again.</p><p>Back to the original question, a true Tablet PC running Vista/Win7 with One Note is the killer combination. Vista brought huge improvements to Tablet PCs from the hack-job of XP Tablet Edition, and these improvements got carried over the Windows 7. One Note is a powerful note-taking tool, and its functionality is magnified 3 folds with a Tablet PC which gives you the true "Laptop + pen/paper" combo in one neat, organisable AND fully digitized package, easily one of the best programs in the Office package.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because even after the " godly " iPad which sparked the whole " computerised notepad craze " , hardly anyone knows about the existance of Tablet PCs .
I have been using a Tablet PC since 2006 , and today I still get the occasional amazed stares and " Wow !
What 's that ? !
" from people when I whip out a stylus and starts scribbling on the screen or rotate the screen to convert the thing into tablet mode .
The majority of the public will think that Apple revolutionised this sector , again.Back to the original question , a true Tablet PC running Vista/Win7 with One Note is the killer combination .
Vista brought huge improvements to Tablet PCs from the hack-job of XP Tablet Edition , and these improvements got carried over the Windows 7 .
One Note is a powerful note-taking tool , and its functionality is magnified 3 folds with a Tablet PC which gives you the true " Laptop + pen/paper " combo in one neat , organisable AND fully digitized package , easily one of the best programs in the Office package .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because even after the "godly" iPad which sparked the whole "computerised notepad craze", hardly anyone knows about the existance of Tablet PCs.
I have been using a Tablet PC since 2006, and today I still get the occasional amazed stares and "Wow!
What's that?!
" from people when I whip out a stylus and starts scribbling on the screen or rotate the screen to convert the thing into tablet mode.
The majority of the public will think that Apple revolutionised this sector, again.Back to the original question, a true Tablet PC running Vista/Win7 with One Note is the killer combination.
Vista brought huge improvements to Tablet PCs from the hack-job of XP Tablet Edition, and these improvements got carried over the Windows 7.
One Note is a powerful note-taking tool, and its functionality is magnified 3 folds with a Tablet PC which gives you the true "Laptop + pen/paper" combo in one neat, organisable AND fully digitized package, easily one of the best programs in the Office package.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054568</id>
	<title>Netbook, w/ pen &amp; paper handy</title>
	<author>ismism</author>
	<datestamp>1265535660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Personally, I can type a lot faster than I can write, and my writing skills have deteriorated over the years -my writing is often illegible, even to me. Plus, I can't grep notepads, which also often get lost or tattered. I can keep my notes and papers organized on a USB stick. Still, I do keep a notepad handy in case there are diagrams I want to jot down or if there is an activity that requires paper.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , I can type a lot faster than I can write , and my writing skills have deteriorated over the years -my writing is often illegible , even to me .
Plus , I ca n't grep notepads , which also often get lost or tattered .
I can keep my notes and papers organized on a USB stick .
Still , I do keep a notepad handy in case there are diagrams I want to jot down or if there is an activity that requires paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, I can type a lot faster than I can write, and my writing skills have deteriorated over the years -my writing is often illegible, even to me.
Plus, I can't grep notepads, which also often get lost or tattered.
I can keep my notes and papers organized on a USB stick.
Still, I do keep a notepad handy in case there are diagrams I want to jot down or if there is an activity that requires paper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055098</id>
	<title>For what it's worth</title>
	<author>melted</author>
	<datestamp>1265539320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wrote down a lot during the lectures, and I feel this helps memorize things, and get a better understanding of the formulas as well. See, when you're writing down complicated math, you can only do it at a reasonable speed if you understand the notation. This forces you to really \_understand\_ what all the subscripts and superscripts mean. In addition, you reinforce your memory by writing stuff down because several types of memory are involved at the same time. As if this wasn't enough, you're forced to systematize and abbreviate things, because writing down every single word would be stupid.</p><p>I think pen and paper have a bright future. Eventually someone will figure out a way to digitize them (i.e. actually recognize handwriting, and to some extent, diagrams and formulas). So I'm keeping my written notes until that happens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wrote down a lot during the lectures , and I feel this helps memorize things , and get a better understanding of the formulas as well .
See , when you 're writing down complicated math , you can only do it at a reasonable speed if you understand the notation .
This forces you to really \ _understand \ _ what all the subscripts and superscripts mean .
In addition , you reinforce your memory by writing stuff down because several types of memory are involved at the same time .
As if this was n't enough , you 're forced to systematize and abbreviate things , because writing down every single word would be stupid.I think pen and paper have a bright future .
Eventually someone will figure out a way to digitize them ( i.e .
actually recognize handwriting , and to some extent , diagrams and formulas ) .
So I 'm keeping my written notes until that happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wrote down a lot during the lectures, and I feel this helps memorize things, and get a better understanding of the formulas as well.
See, when you're writing down complicated math, you can only do it at a reasonable speed if you understand the notation.
This forces you to really \_understand\_ what all the subscripts and superscripts mean.
In addition, you reinforce your memory by writing stuff down because several types of memory are involved at the same time.
As if this wasn't enough, you're forced to systematize and abbreviate things, because writing down every single word would be stupid.I think pen and paper have a bright future.
Eventually someone will figure out a way to digitize them (i.e.
actually recognize handwriting, and to some extent, diagrams and formulas).
So I'm keeping my written notes until that happens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057216</id>
	<title>Tablet + OneNote</title>
	<author>cnvandev</author>
	<datestamp>1265557440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hate to boost Microsoft on Slashdot, but I've been taking notes on a tablet (Toshiba M200 Portege) in class using Microsoft OneNote 2010 (the beta) running on Windows 7. There's some great features in OneNote and, while there's definitely a few kinks to work out, at its base it's a pen and paper and you can take the same notes as you would on a regular notebook, and sort it all out later. The full-screen mode makes it really non-distracting, and a pretty great solutions. The fact that trying to use Windows 7 with a pen is annoying and somewhat slower than with a keyboard and mouse breaks off the distraction factor. Ignoring the fact that the M200 has some serious flaws and is a relatively underpowered machine.

Plus, if someone forgets notes, I can send them a quick PDF of the day's lecture with two clicks. Makes me kind of a popular guy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hate to boost Microsoft on Slashdot , but I 've been taking notes on a tablet ( Toshiba M200 Portege ) in class using Microsoft OneNote 2010 ( the beta ) running on Windows 7 .
There 's some great features in OneNote and , while there 's definitely a few kinks to work out , at its base it 's a pen and paper and you can take the same notes as you would on a regular notebook , and sort it all out later .
The full-screen mode makes it really non-distracting , and a pretty great solutions .
The fact that trying to use Windows 7 with a pen is annoying and somewhat slower than with a keyboard and mouse breaks off the distraction factor .
Ignoring the fact that the M200 has some serious flaws and is a relatively underpowered machine .
Plus , if someone forgets notes , I can send them a quick PDF of the day 's lecture with two clicks .
Makes me kind of a popular guy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hate to boost Microsoft on Slashdot, but I've been taking notes on a tablet (Toshiba M200 Portege) in class using Microsoft OneNote 2010 (the beta) running on Windows 7.
There's some great features in OneNote and, while there's definitely a few kinks to work out, at its base it's a pen and paper and you can take the same notes as you would on a regular notebook, and sort it all out later.
The full-screen mode makes it really non-distracting, and a pretty great solutions.
The fact that trying to use Windows 7 with a pen is annoying and somewhat slower than with a keyboard and mouse breaks off the distraction factor.
Ignoring the fact that the M200 has some serious flaws and is a relatively underpowered machine.
Plus, if someone forgets notes, I can send them a quick PDF of the day's lecture with two clicks.
Makes me kind of a popular guy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057670</id>
	<title>Re:Notebook and Webcam/Camera Phone and OneNote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265561640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OneNote FTW! I've started using OneNote since I started my PhD and it is hands down the best piece of software that I've ever used for academic purposes. It keeps everything together and is easy to make backups of. I think I think I was the most impressed when I was doing a search for a string and OneNote returned a hit from a book that I had taken pics of with a camera and dumped into my OneNote notebook earlier. It also allows you to record audio and add e-ink.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OneNote FTW !
I 've started using OneNote since I started my PhD and it is hands down the best piece of software that I 've ever used for academic purposes .
It keeps everything together and is easy to make backups of .
I think I think I was the most impressed when I was doing a search for a string and OneNote returned a hit from a book that I had taken pics of with a camera and dumped into my OneNote notebook earlier .
It also allows you to record audio and add e-ink .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OneNote FTW!
I've started using OneNote since I started my PhD and it is hands down the best piece of software that I've ever used for academic purposes.
It keeps everything together and is easy to make backups of.
I think I think I was the most impressed when I was doing a search for a string and OneNote returned a hit from a book that I had taken pics of with a camera and dumped into my OneNote notebook earlier.
It also allows you to record audio and add e-ink.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31058094</id>
	<title>Re:At My University</title>
	<author>penguinoid</author>
	<datestamp>1265565720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I take notes in CS class as well. Only I take very few notes in that sort of class. I like to have a word-for-word of certain algorithms or formulas that may be talked about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I take notes in CS class as well .
Only I take very few notes in that sort of class .
I like to have a word-for-word of certain algorithms or formulas that may be talked about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I take notes in CS class as well.
Only I take very few notes in that sort of class.
I like to have a word-for-word of certain algorithms or formulas that may be talked about.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055386</id>
	<title>Re:Pencil.</title>
	<author>Mashiki</author>
	<datestamp>1265541000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People gouge out their eyes when they try to read my notes.  They're almost a personal form of short-hand at this point because I can't write worth shit.  My printing is terrible, and in my college classes I can't use a laptop and I can't record the conversations.  If I could it would be brilliant, I can type fast.  110wpm, no errors.</p><p>The thing with gaming/facebook/whatever it doesn't matter.  Because students in those same classes use their cellphones to do it when their instructor/professor/teacher isn't looking.  It's a moot point at this phase of the game.  Let me have my fskin' laptop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People gouge out their eyes when they try to read my notes .
They 're almost a personal form of short-hand at this point because I ca n't write worth shit .
My printing is terrible , and in my college classes I ca n't use a laptop and I ca n't record the conversations .
If I could it would be brilliant , I can type fast .
110wpm , no errors.The thing with gaming/facebook/whatever it does n't matter .
Because students in those same classes use their cellphones to do it when their instructor/professor/teacher is n't looking .
It 's a moot point at this phase of the game .
Let me have my fskin ' laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People gouge out their eyes when they try to read my notes.
They're almost a personal form of short-hand at this point because I can't write worth shit.
My printing is terrible, and in my college classes I can't use a laptop and I can't record the conversations.
If I could it would be brilliant, I can type fast.
110wpm, no errors.The thing with gaming/facebook/whatever it doesn't matter.
Because students in those same classes use their cellphones to do it when their instructor/professor/teacher isn't looking.
It's a moot point at this phase of the game.
Let me have my fskin' laptop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31059570</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>tehcyder</author>
	<datestamp>1265634240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's 2010 and people still have lectures? That's quaint.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Don't tell me, you're a fucking genius with an IQ of 190 who knew more than all his lecturers, teachers and professors ever could, but no-one fully understood you, which is why you got thrown out of college for non-attendance and now flip burgers for a living?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's 2010 and people still have lectures ?
That 's quaint .
Do n't tell me , you 're a fucking genius with an IQ of 190 who knew more than all his lecturers , teachers and professors ever could , but no-one fully understood you , which is why you got thrown out of college for non-attendance and now flip burgers for a living ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's 2010 and people still have lectures?
That's quaint.
Don't tell me, you're a fucking genius with an IQ of 190 who knew more than all his lecturers, teachers and professors ever could, but no-one fully understood you, which is why you got thrown out of college for non-attendance and now flip burgers for a living?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055002</id>
	<title>Penmanship...</title>
	<author>coupdetat</author>
	<datestamp>1265538720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>My thermodynamics professor last semester had amazing penmanship, and he inspired me to work on my horrible chicken scratches.  I almost never took notes in class because my notes were simply too awful-looking, so I didn't enjoy the process of writing.

I worked at my penmanship with some online guides, and bought a slightly weightier pen (Parker IM gel).  After practicing my cursive over the winter break and writing at every possible moment, I've seen some definite improvement.  More importantly, I now <i>enjoy</i> writing and looking at the finished product.  I recently bought a $25 fountain pen and some $5 Piccadilly notepads (Moleskine lookalikes), and my notes have improved even more.

Anyways, I think that if we worked on our penmanship a little, we'd enjoy taking notes in class a lot more.  And correspondingly, we'd get more out of each lecture!  It definitely worked for me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My thermodynamics professor last semester had amazing penmanship , and he inspired me to work on my horrible chicken scratches .
I almost never took notes in class because my notes were simply too awful-looking , so I did n't enjoy the process of writing .
I worked at my penmanship with some online guides , and bought a slightly weightier pen ( Parker IM gel ) .
After practicing my cursive over the winter break and writing at every possible moment , I 've seen some definite improvement .
More importantly , I now enjoy writing and looking at the finished product .
I recently bought a $ 25 fountain pen and some $ 5 Piccadilly notepads ( Moleskine lookalikes ) , and my notes have improved even more .
Anyways , I think that if we worked on our penmanship a little , we 'd enjoy taking notes in class a lot more .
And correspondingly , we 'd get more out of each lecture !
It definitely worked for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My thermodynamics professor last semester had amazing penmanship, and he inspired me to work on my horrible chicken scratches.
I almost never took notes in class because my notes were simply too awful-looking, so I didn't enjoy the process of writing.
I worked at my penmanship with some online guides, and bought a slightly weightier pen (Parker IM gel).
After practicing my cursive over the winter break and writing at every possible moment, I've seen some definite improvement.
More importantly, I now enjoy writing and looking at the finished product.
I recently bought a $25 fountain pen and some $5 Piccadilly notepads (Moleskine lookalikes), and my notes have improved even more.
Anyways, I think that if we worked on our penmanship a little, we'd enjoy taking notes in class a lot more.
And correspondingly, we'd get more out of each lecture!
It definitely worked for me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055464</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>hedwards</author>
	<datestamp>1265541480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I strongly disagree with that. A good instructor gets you interested and keeps you focused, but that still doesn't get you out of having to take notes. Some people don't need to, but they typically never need to. For most people, it helps to focus the mind on the important concepts, retain it and figure out what one needs to ask questions about.<br> <br>

Even the best instructor isn't going to be able to reach all students in a lecture equally, nor will they always be able to get information to stick. Hence the point of taking ones own notes. I tried to follow an instructor's advice to just use her class notes one quarter, and it didn't work out at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I strongly disagree with that .
A good instructor gets you interested and keeps you focused , but that still does n't get you out of having to take notes .
Some people do n't need to , but they typically never need to .
For most people , it helps to focus the mind on the important concepts , retain it and figure out what one needs to ask questions about .
Even the best instructor is n't going to be able to reach all students in a lecture equally , nor will they always be able to get information to stick .
Hence the point of taking ones own notes .
I tried to follow an instructor 's advice to just use her class notes one quarter , and it did n't work out at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I strongly disagree with that.
A good instructor gets you interested and keeps you focused, but that still doesn't get you out of having to take notes.
Some people don't need to, but they typically never need to.
For most people, it helps to focus the mind on the important concepts, retain it and figure out what one needs to ask questions about.
Even the best instructor isn't going to be able to reach all students in a lecture equally, nor will they always be able to get information to stick.
Hence the point of taking ones own notes.
I tried to follow an instructor's advice to just use her class notes one quarter, and it didn't work out at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055296</id>
	<title>writing as the learning process</title>
	<author>ffflala</author>
	<datestamp>1265540400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For me the value in writing is primarily the cementing of information in my memory. It's a style of learning. For those of us who work this way, it's not about easily being able to refer back to them. The act of writing itself is a kind of entrenchment of the cognitive pathways, and because of it I almost never have to refer to my handwritten notes. My recollection of them has consistently proven to be very accurate.</p><p>Notes I've taken via laptop I do not find as easy to recall, but they are generally more thorough and easier to use for review.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For me the value in writing is primarily the cementing of information in my memory .
It 's a style of learning .
For those of us who work this way , it 's not about easily being able to refer back to them .
The act of writing itself is a kind of entrenchment of the cognitive pathways , and because of it I almost never have to refer to my handwritten notes .
My recollection of them has consistently proven to be very accurate.Notes I 've taken via laptop I do not find as easy to recall , but they are generally more thorough and easier to use for review .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For me the value in writing is primarily the cementing of information in my memory.
It's a style of learning.
For those of us who work this way, it's not about easily being able to refer back to them.
The act of writing itself is a kind of entrenchment of the cognitive pathways, and because of it I almost never have to refer to my handwritten notes.
My recollection of them has consistently proven to be very accurate.Notes I've taken via laptop I do not find as easy to recall, but they are generally more thorough and easier to use for review.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31058080</id>
	<title>Stop waiting on Apple, HP has what you want</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265565600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh i'm so tired of hearing about the apple table (iPAD). I've used the HP TC1100 slate for years to take hand written notes in a complex engineering environment. I love the freedom to include figures and diagrams. Go buy a HP Touch Smart and get a computer that will do what you need.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh i 'm so tired of hearing about the apple table ( iPAD ) .
I 've used the HP TC1100 slate for years to take hand written notes in a complex engineering environment .
I love the freedom to include figures and diagrams .
Go buy a HP Touch Smart and get a computer that will do what you need .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh i'm so tired of hearing about the apple table (iPAD).
I've used the HP TC1100 slate for years to take hand written notes in a complex engineering environment.
I love the freedom to include figures and diagrams.
Go buy a HP Touch Smart and get a computer that will do what you need.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054758</id>
	<title>Pulse, Tablet PC and OneNote</title>
	<author>IsaacD</author>
	<datestamp>1265536860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another option that may be "in the middle" is Pulse. Far less expensive than a tablet, uses paper, but also records pen strokes and audio for digital archival. Some people at my company use them and the biggest complaint is that the recorded audio is often poor quality. The technology itself is pretty fascinating.

I've been using an HP TX2513 (~$900 in 2008) with OneNote for a couple of years now and it is a great experience. The latest verion of OneNote is, to me, really a requirement for tablet usage. I started with Vista and even then it was a good experience. Windows 7 improves in handwriting recognition and general input with the stylus. I have the notebooks synched with SharePoint for convenience and as a backup. Being able to search against my own handwriting across multiple notebooks is a great feature. In class (graduate studies), I'm able to browse for more information on topics and copy content and URLs directly into the notes. It is also installed as a printer driver, which is great for printing slide presentations and marking on them directly.

For me, the tablet beats paper hands down. Even my professors, after asking questions and me demonstrating how well it works look into purchasing tablets. Though, I do keep a small amount of paper with me in the inevitable case of technical failure (though none to this point) or for some items that we must turn in to the professor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another option that may be " in the middle " is Pulse .
Far less expensive than a tablet , uses paper , but also records pen strokes and audio for digital archival .
Some people at my company use them and the biggest complaint is that the recorded audio is often poor quality .
The technology itself is pretty fascinating .
I 've been using an HP TX2513 ( ~ $ 900 in 2008 ) with OneNote for a couple of years now and it is a great experience .
The latest verion of OneNote is , to me , really a requirement for tablet usage .
I started with Vista and even then it was a good experience .
Windows 7 improves in handwriting recognition and general input with the stylus .
I have the notebooks synched with SharePoint for convenience and as a backup .
Being able to search against my own handwriting across multiple notebooks is a great feature .
In class ( graduate studies ) , I 'm able to browse for more information on topics and copy content and URLs directly into the notes .
It is also installed as a printer driver , which is great for printing slide presentations and marking on them directly .
For me , the tablet beats paper hands down .
Even my professors , after asking questions and me demonstrating how well it works look into purchasing tablets .
Though , I do keep a small amount of paper with me in the inevitable case of technical failure ( though none to this point ) or for some items that we must turn in to the professor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another option that may be "in the middle" is Pulse.
Far less expensive than a tablet, uses paper, but also records pen strokes and audio for digital archival.
Some people at my company use them and the biggest complaint is that the recorded audio is often poor quality.
The technology itself is pretty fascinating.
I've been using an HP TX2513 (~$900 in 2008) with OneNote for a couple of years now and it is a great experience.
The latest verion of OneNote is, to me, really a requirement for tablet usage.
I started with Vista and even then it was a good experience.
Windows 7 improves in handwriting recognition and general input with the stylus.
I have the notebooks synched with SharePoint for convenience and as a backup.
Being able to search against my own handwriting across multiple notebooks is a great feature.
In class (graduate studies), I'm able to browse for more information on topics and copy content and URLs directly into the notes.
It is also installed as a printer driver, which is great for printing slide presentations and marking on them directly.
For me, the tablet beats paper hands down.
Even my professors, after asking questions and me demonstrating how well it works look into purchasing tablets.
Though, I do keep a small amount of paper with me in the inevitable case of technical failure (though none to this point) or for some items that we must turn in to the professor.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055716</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265543280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is my experience teach collage calculus and statistics...</p><p>In my experience, students learn through the tips of their pencils.  Taking notes keeps the students involved and paying attention.  The semesters that I've had horrible classrooms and have had to do the lecture from slides and post the notes... my students seem to do worse because they can't pay attention during the lecture.  Some students do great and they are right there with me, but a substantial portion of the middle of the class isn't paying close enough attention.</p><p>It isn't that I'm too lazy to make good slides... it that my students tend to do better when I do everything at the chalk board.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is my experience teach collage calculus and statistics...In my experience , students learn through the tips of their pencils .
Taking notes keeps the students involved and paying attention .
The semesters that I 've had horrible classrooms and have had to do the lecture from slides and post the notes... my students seem to do worse because they ca n't pay attention during the lecture .
Some students do great and they are right there with me , but a substantial portion of the middle of the class is n't paying close enough attention.It is n't that I 'm too lazy to make good slides... it that my students tend to do better when I do everything at the chalk board .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is my experience teach collage calculus and statistics...In my experience, students learn through the tips of their pencils.
Taking notes keeps the students involved and paying attention.
The semesters that I've had horrible classrooms and have had to do the lecture from slides and post the notes... my students seem to do worse because they can't pay attention during the lecture.
Some students do great and they are right there with me, but a substantial portion of the middle of the class isn't paying close enough attention.It isn't that I'm too lazy to make good slides... it that my students tend to do better when I do everything at the chalk board.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055102</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1265539320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Taking actual notes during the lecture does force you to actually pay attention and perhaps learn some along the way.</p><p>Anyone can just read cliff notes after hours.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Taking actual notes during the lecture does force you to actually pay attention and perhaps learn some along the way.Anyone can just read cliff notes after hours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Taking actual notes during the lecture does force you to actually pay attention and perhaps learn some along the way.Anyone can just read cliff notes after hours.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054926</id>
	<title>N900 mobile phone/computer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265538120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've gone from paper to using my phone for general note taking:<br>- I type approximately as fast with the builtin keyboard as by hand, but now it is readable<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)<br>- possible to use pen on the screen for quick sketching<br>- camera for taking picture of blackboard etc.<br>and it runs linux, so I can run all my usual software, and browse if the lectures become boring<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've gone from paper to using my phone for general note taking : - I type approximately as fast with the builtin keyboard as by hand , but now it is readable : - ) - possible to use pen on the screen for quick sketching- camera for taking picture of blackboard etc.and it runs linux , so I can run all my usual software , and browse if the lectures become boring : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've gone from paper to using my phone for general note taking:- I type approximately as fast with the builtin keyboard as by hand, but now it is readable :-)- possible to use pen on the screen for quick sketching- camera for taking picture of blackboard etc.and it runs linux, so I can run all my usual software, and browse if the lectures become boring :-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055962</id>
	<title>Re:So do I</title>
	<author>linj</author>
	<datestamp>1265545020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've used a convertible tablet notebook to take notes for the past two years in college. It's been good, but Microsoft has a OneNote 2010 in public beta, which has made everything infinitely better.<br> <br>I take many classes that use formulae and diagrams, so OneNote's equation support is a godsend. I'm able to search through all the typed text (never tried searching through equations themselves, actually), am able to use quasi-LaTeX syntax in all the equations that I use, and I'm able to copy down all those weird diagrams. If I need to take notes during a meeting, I can voice-record and then type up notes at the same time, and on review, the voice-notes are searchable and are linked to the text it's near to. I'm able to type much faster than I write, so this has been good to me.<br> <br>To give an idea of what classes I've taken, over the last two quarters, it's been, I think, quantum/statistical mechanics, complex analysis, diffeq, programming shop, European literature, introduction to political science and then comparative politics, signals/systems/transforms. I've yet to encounter a situation where my current set-up doesn't put me at an advantage to other students.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've used a convertible tablet notebook to take notes for the past two years in college .
It 's been good , but Microsoft has a OneNote 2010 in public beta , which has made everything infinitely better .
I take many classes that use formulae and diagrams , so OneNote 's equation support is a godsend .
I 'm able to search through all the typed text ( never tried searching through equations themselves , actually ) , am able to use quasi-LaTeX syntax in all the equations that I use , and I 'm able to copy down all those weird diagrams .
If I need to take notes during a meeting , I can voice-record and then type up notes at the same time , and on review , the voice-notes are searchable and are linked to the text it 's near to .
I 'm able to type much faster than I write , so this has been good to me .
To give an idea of what classes I 've taken , over the last two quarters , it 's been , I think , quantum/statistical mechanics , complex analysis , diffeq , programming shop , European literature , introduction to political science and then comparative politics , signals/systems/transforms .
I 've yet to encounter a situation where my current set-up does n't put me at an advantage to other students .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've used a convertible tablet notebook to take notes for the past two years in college.
It's been good, but Microsoft has a OneNote 2010 in public beta, which has made everything infinitely better.
I take many classes that use formulae and diagrams, so OneNote's equation support is a godsend.
I'm able to search through all the typed text (never tried searching through equations themselves, actually), am able to use quasi-LaTeX syntax in all the equations that I use, and I'm able to copy down all those weird diagrams.
If I need to take notes during a meeting, I can voice-record and then type up notes at the same time, and on review, the voice-notes are searchable and are linked to the text it's near to.
I'm able to type much faster than I write, so this has been good to me.
To give an idea of what classes I've taken, over the last two quarters, it's been, I think, quantum/statistical mechanics, complex analysis, diffeq, programming shop, European literature, introduction to political science and then comparative politics, signals/systems/transforms.
I've yet to encounter a situation where my current set-up doesn't put me at an advantage to other students.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055312</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>pipingguy</author>
	<datestamp>1265540520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><i>Anyway, learning is really all about repetition and it takes repeating something for approximately 21 days (not every day but repetition dispersed along that time period) to cement something in your brain</i> <br> <br>
For you, that's apparently true.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyway , learning is really all about repetition and it takes repeating something for approximately 21 days ( not every day but repetition dispersed along that time period ) to cement something in your brain For you , that 's apparently true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyway, learning is really all about repetition and it takes repeating something for approximately 21 days (not every day but repetition dispersed along that time period) to cement something in your brain  
For you, that's apparently true.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Pencil and paper</title>
	<author>ralphbecket</author>
	<datestamp>1265547000000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>One benefit of the pencil-and-paper approach (other than its immediacy and simplicity) is that you invariably have to rewrite your lecture notes soon after the lecture to get them into a form suitable for rereading later on when doing coursework and revising for exams.  This extra step is vital (a) to embed the information in your brain and (b) to help you identify the material that you haven't fully understood.  I don't really see this happening with people who take notes on their computers.</p><p>[While I'm dispensing advice: highlighting chunks of prose in your textbooks is no good.  Take separate notes on what you read for the same reasons you need to rewrite notes taken during lectures.]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One benefit of the pencil-and-paper approach ( other than its immediacy and simplicity ) is that you invariably have to rewrite your lecture notes soon after the lecture to get them into a form suitable for rereading later on when doing coursework and revising for exams .
This extra step is vital ( a ) to embed the information in your brain and ( b ) to help you identify the material that you have n't fully understood .
I do n't really see this happening with people who take notes on their computers .
[ While I 'm dispensing advice : highlighting chunks of prose in your textbooks is no good .
Take separate notes on what you read for the same reasons you need to rewrite notes taken during lectures .
]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One benefit of the pencil-and-paper approach (other than its immediacy and simplicity) is that you invariably have to rewrite your lecture notes soon after the lecture to get them into a form suitable for rereading later on when doing coursework and revising for exams.
This extra step is vital (a) to embed the information in your brain and (b) to help you identify the material that you haven't fully understood.
I don't really see this happening with people who take notes on their computers.
[While I'm dispensing advice: highlighting chunks of prose in your textbooks is no good.
Take separate notes on what you read for the same reasons you need to rewrite notes taken during lectures.
]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Purpose of note taking</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265563500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Like others I would tend to simply use a pen for note taking rather than a computer, but that may be because when I was a student computers were not versatile enough (by some way) to allow this type of use.</p><p>New technology though allows you to take shortcuts, to be more efficient, but beware of using technology left right and centre, it may be your downfall. I personally find that any type of full-length recording is generally a waste of time: you have to listen or view the full thing to be able to get it again. Sure you can fast forward and the like, but.</p><p>Always remember the purpose of note-taking, in whatever form you may do this. The purpose is to help you remember. More specifically, to help you remember what you have \_learnt\_. I will emphasise again: the lesson, course, presentation or whatever it is that you are attending, is there to provide you with the information you need. Your \_first\_ job is to understand it there and then and, as much as possible, remember the key tenets of it. The greater the detail you can remember the better. Any form of note taking should support that purpose and only that purpose. You should not use notes as a substitute for understanding things as they are explained. Surely you have a course book, a synopsis, some form of support, some way to find the appropriate information online or in some printed form or other support, so why be the scribe to take it all down? Someone else has done it. Your sole job is to make sure that you understand and you know how to get to the information when you need it.</p><p>I remember repeating a year of studies, way back. That repeat year, I relied on my notes from the previous year. I did not take new notes, except for minor corrections and to better structure (put hierarchy) into my notes. Instead, I focused on learning (i.e. understanding &amp; retaining). It made a huge difference to the amount I actually was able to digest. Ever since that time I always swore, with great success, to take only the bare minimum of notes and to make sure that by the end of the lesson I had understood all of the material. This meant that I was free to actually apply this knowledge immediately and only occasionally use my notes as a pointer or reference rather than reviewing my notes to learn what had been given in a lesson before I could begin to understand - as I had been doing before.</p><p>With all of this in mind, I believe that technology can help you produce the best of notes. But do not stick to one technology. Continue to use whatever is most appropriate for the task at hand. Sometimes the pen might be best, other times a camera will be best for snaps, the computer can help with storage and calculations for instance. Rarely but sometimes you will want a video or a sound recording of a small duration for illustration purposes (studying behaviour or motion comes to mind). The key is that all of those should be eventually kept in a single place, with an index so that they are all easily accessible. The least amount of work that this creates for you, the most you will get out of your system.</p><p>hth,</p><p>walkey</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like others I would tend to simply use a pen for note taking rather than a computer , but that may be because when I was a student computers were not versatile enough ( by some way ) to allow this type of use.New technology though allows you to take shortcuts , to be more efficient , but beware of using technology left right and centre , it may be your downfall .
I personally find that any type of full-length recording is generally a waste of time : you have to listen or view the full thing to be able to get it again .
Sure you can fast forward and the like , but.Always remember the purpose of note-taking , in whatever form you may do this .
The purpose is to help you remember .
More specifically , to help you remember what you have \ _learnt \ _ .
I will emphasise again : the lesson , course , presentation or whatever it is that you are attending , is there to provide you with the information you need .
Your \ _first \ _ job is to understand it there and then and , as much as possible , remember the key tenets of it .
The greater the detail you can remember the better .
Any form of note taking should support that purpose and only that purpose .
You should not use notes as a substitute for understanding things as they are explained .
Surely you have a course book , a synopsis , some form of support , some way to find the appropriate information online or in some printed form or other support , so why be the scribe to take it all down ?
Someone else has done it .
Your sole job is to make sure that you understand and you know how to get to the information when you need it.I remember repeating a year of studies , way back .
That repeat year , I relied on my notes from the previous year .
I did not take new notes , except for minor corrections and to better structure ( put hierarchy ) into my notes .
Instead , I focused on learning ( i.e .
understanding &amp; retaining ) .
It made a huge difference to the amount I actually was able to digest .
Ever since that time I always swore , with great success , to take only the bare minimum of notes and to make sure that by the end of the lesson I had understood all of the material .
This meant that I was free to actually apply this knowledge immediately and only occasionally use my notes as a pointer or reference rather than reviewing my notes to learn what had been given in a lesson before I could begin to understand - as I had been doing before.With all of this in mind , I believe that technology can help you produce the best of notes .
But do not stick to one technology .
Continue to use whatever is most appropriate for the task at hand .
Sometimes the pen might be best , other times a camera will be best for snaps , the computer can help with storage and calculations for instance .
Rarely but sometimes you will want a video or a sound recording of a small duration for illustration purposes ( studying behaviour or motion comes to mind ) .
The key is that all of those should be eventually kept in a single place , with an index so that they are all easily accessible .
The least amount of work that this creates for you , the most you will get out of your system.hth,walkey</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like others I would tend to simply use a pen for note taking rather than a computer, but that may be because when I was a student computers were not versatile enough (by some way) to allow this type of use.New technology though allows you to take shortcuts, to be more efficient, but beware of using technology left right and centre, it may be your downfall.
I personally find that any type of full-length recording is generally a waste of time: you have to listen or view the full thing to be able to get it again.
Sure you can fast forward and the like, but.Always remember the purpose of note-taking, in whatever form you may do this.
The purpose is to help you remember.
More specifically, to help you remember what you have \_learnt\_.
I will emphasise again: the lesson, course, presentation or whatever it is that you are attending, is there to provide you with the information you need.
Your \_first\_ job is to understand it there and then and, as much as possible, remember the key tenets of it.
The greater the detail you can remember the better.
Any form of note taking should support that purpose and only that purpose.
You should not use notes as a substitute for understanding things as they are explained.
Surely you have a course book, a synopsis, some form of support, some way to find the appropriate information online or in some printed form or other support, so why be the scribe to take it all down?
Someone else has done it.
Your sole job is to make sure that you understand and you know how to get to the information when you need it.I remember repeating a year of studies, way back.
That repeat year, I relied on my notes from the previous year.
I did not take new notes, except for minor corrections and to better structure (put hierarchy) into my notes.
Instead, I focused on learning (i.e.
understanding &amp; retaining).
It made a huge difference to the amount I actually was able to digest.
Ever since that time I always swore, with great success, to take only the bare minimum of notes and to make sure that by the end of the lesson I had understood all of the material.
This meant that I was free to actually apply this knowledge immediately and only occasionally use my notes as a pointer or reference rather than reviewing my notes to learn what had been given in a lesson before I could begin to understand - as I had been doing before.With all of this in mind, I believe that technology can help you produce the best of notes.
But do not stick to one technology.
Continue to use whatever is most appropriate for the task at hand.
Sometimes the pen might be best, other times a camera will be best for snaps, the computer can help with storage and calculations for instance.
Rarely but sometimes you will want a video or a sound recording of a small duration for illustration purposes (studying behaviour or motion comes to mind).
The key is that all of those should be eventually kept in a single place, with an index so that they are all easily accessible.
The least amount of work that this creates for you, the most you will get out of your system.hth,walkey</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055194</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>davidshewitt</author>
	<datestamp>1265539680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I find it really helps me remember something if I write it down, as opposed to downloading the powerpoint after the fact.  When I'm studying my notes, I can remember my thought process as I wrote my notes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it really helps me remember something if I write it down , as opposed to downloading the powerpoint after the fact .
When I 'm studying my notes , I can remember my thought process as I wrote my notes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find it really helps me remember something if I write it down, as opposed to downloading the powerpoint after the fact.
When I'm studying my notes, I can remember my thought process as I wrote my notes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31058196</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take notes during lectures</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265566680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Even better: Don't even bother going to lectures or studying, simply spend the last month before exams doing practice exams.</p><p>When I went to university I could get away with this for about 75\% of courses with no loss (and I'd get extremely good grades because I was studying what they would actually test - almost always with re-used questions and problems from past years exams). Some courses had mid-terms that counted for a fair chunk of the mark, but even those often allowed for re-taking the mid-term at the end of the course, or worst case you had a course which you had to spend a weekend studying past mid-terms for. Even courses with labs are no problem as they are often barely related to the lecture content anyways.</p><p>This way you free up like 2/3 of the semester for working to pay for the damn degree, and get good grades to boot!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even better : Do n't even bother going to lectures or studying , simply spend the last month before exams doing practice exams.When I went to university I could get away with this for about 75 \ % of courses with no loss ( and I 'd get extremely good grades because I was studying what they would actually test - almost always with re-used questions and problems from past years exams ) .
Some courses had mid-terms that counted for a fair chunk of the mark , but even those often allowed for re-taking the mid-term at the end of the course , or worst case you had a course which you had to spend a weekend studying past mid-terms for .
Even courses with labs are no problem as they are often barely related to the lecture content anyways.This way you free up like 2/3 of the semester for working to pay for the damn degree , and get good grades to boot !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even better: Don't even bother going to lectures or studying, simply spend the last month before exams doing practice exams.When I went to university I could get away with this for about 75\% of courses with no loss (and I'd get extremely good grades because I was studying what they would actually test - almost always with re-used questions and problems from past years exams).
Some courses had mid-terms that counted for a fair chunk of the mark, but even those often allowed for re-taking the mid-term at the end of the course, or worst case you had a course which you had to spend a weekend studying past mid-terms for.
Even courses with labs are no problem as they are often barely related to the lecture content anyways.This way you free up like 2/3 of the semester for working to pay for the damn degree, and get good grades to boot!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057148</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265556780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Right, because all classes use powerpoint?</p><p>100\% of my college classes are a professor writing on a chalkboard</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right , because all classes use powerpoint ? 100 \ % of my college classes are a professor writing on a chalkboard</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right, because all classes use powerpoint?100\% of my college classes are a professor writing on a chalkboard</sentencetext>
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	<title>Best of both worlds....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265535660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I've been using a livescribe.com pen for a while, and it's a fantastic combination of the two worlds: use a pen in the class, then upload and end up with digital notes, complete with diagrams and audio.  Wickedly awesome</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using a livescribe.com pen for a while , and it 's a fantastic combination of the two worlds : use a pen in the class , then upload and end up with digital notes , complete with diagrams and audio .
Wickedly awesome</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using a livescribe.com pen for a while, and it's a fantastic combination of the two worlds: use a pen in the class, then upload and end up with digital notes, complete with diagrams and audio.
Wickedly awesome</sentencetext>
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	<title>Helps to have professor's slides</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265654940000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I take notes on my Mac but I only do so if I have a local copy of the Powerpoint slides so that I can use Preview's tool to grab anything off the screen and paste it as an image in word. I don't think you can beat the ctrl+F function with computer notes either. I suppose you could use Word's primitive pencil tool in the notes layout of the 2008 version but its a little archaic and I lack the fine motor control to draw a coherent picture with the touchpad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I take notes on my Mac but I only do so if I have a local copy of the Powerpoint slides so that I can use Preview 's tool to grab anything off the screen and paste it as an image in word .
I do n't think you can beat the ctrl + F function with computer notes either .
I suppose you could use Word 's primitive pencil tool in the notes layout of the 2008 version but its a little archaic and I lack the fine motor control to draw a coherent picture with the touchpad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I take notes on my Mac but I only do so if I have a local copy of the Powerpoint slides so that I can use Preview's tool to grab anything off the screen and paste it as an image in word.
I don't think you can beat the ctrl+F function with computer notes either.
I suppose you could use Word's primitive pencil tool in the notes layout of the 2008 version but its a little archaic and I lack the fine motor control to draw a coherent picture with the touchpad.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Don't take notes during lectures</title>
	<author>cptnapalm</author>
	<datestamp>1265542800000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>"Even in those fluffy politically correct liberal arts classes, you can pretty much guess what the lecturer is going to talk about."</p><p>George Bush?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Even in those fluffy politically correct liberal arts classes , you can pretty much guess what the lecturer is going to talk about .
" George Bush ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Even in those fluffy politically correct liberal arts classes, you can pretty much guess what the lecturer is going to talk about.
"George Bush?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054778</id>
	<title>Re:At Law School...</title>
	<author>IICV</author>
	<datestamp>1265537040000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I would imagine that in law school, there are very few diagrams. Most things are conveyed in text, right?</p><p>Just try taking notes on a free body diagram or a server/client state flowchart with your laptop. Unless you've got a Wacom or something, it just can't be done.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would imagine that in law school , there are very few diagrams .
Most things are conveyed in text , right ? Just try taking notes on a free body diagram or a server/client state flowchart with your laptop .
Unless you 've got a Wacom or something , it just ca n't be done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would imagine that in law school, there are very few diagrams.
Most things are conveyed in text, right?Just try taking notes on a free body diagram or a server/client state flowchart with your laptop.
Unless you've got a Wacom or something, it just can't be done.</sentencetext>
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	<title>5 years ago</title>
	<author>koan</author>
	<datestamp>1265541240000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>When I was in college 5 years ago,  the instructor had you get a Blackboard account, all course materials were available for download and you could right along on your computer. Most people that practice good 2 hand technique when typing are faster at note taking...so I wonder why this instructor doesn't do this because even without black board course material could be emailed to you.<br>Me thinks this instructor is behind the times.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was in college 5 years ago , the instructor had you get a Blackboard account , all course materials were available for download and you could right along on your computer .
Most people that practice good 2 hand technique when typing are faster at note taking...so I wonder why this instructor does n't do this because even without black board course material could be emailed to you.Me thinks this instructor is behind the times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was in college 5 years ago,  the instructor had you get a Blackboard account, all course materials were available for download and you could right along on your computer.
Most people that practice good 2 hand technique when typing are faster at note taking...so I wonder why this instructor doesn't do this because even without black board course material could be emailed to you.Me thinks this instructor is behind the times.</sentencetext>
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	<title>What I want</title>
	<author>legio\_noctis</author>
	<datestamp>1265538900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I think the best solution would be a tablet that's specially designed to suit notetaking. Pen and paper is great because of its flexibility (as per article, ability to draw), and digital methods are good because the text can be retrieved as actual text later, rather than an image or a poor OCR.</p><p>So it seems that the ideal solution would be a capacitative touchscreen tablet with a deformable screen like the one that was rumoured to be a possibility for the iPad. i.e. where the screen can create raised and lowered areas to simulate, say, a keyboard. This is necessary because typing on glass, like I'm doing now on my iPod touch, is really annoying&mdash;one needs some kind of physical feedback to hit the keys accurately.</p><p>The reason for capacitivity (?) is that this would allow one to draw with a specially designed stylus: when I began to draw the screen would be able to detect my hand resting on the screen and ignore it, while the small point of the stylus would be recognised. Alternatively you could combine a resistive and capacitative touchscreen in the same way&mdash; capacitative sees your hand, resistive your hand <i>and</i> the stylus: the screen just draws the difference between the two.</p><p>The benefit of this setup is that it allows one to switch from typing (best for recording words) to drawing (best for drawng diagrams) without having to do anything but pick up the stylus: as soon as its presence was detected on the screen the keyboard would simply melt out of the way.</p><p>p.s. Feel free to make one of these and send me the prototype for free<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the best solution would be a tablet that 's specially designed to suit notetaking .
Pen and paper is great because of its flexibility ( as per article , ability to draw ) , and digital methods are good because the text can be retrieved as actual text later , rather than an image or a poor OCR.So it seems that the ideal solution would be a capacitative touchscreen tablet with a deformable screen like the one that was rumoured to be a possibility for the iPad .
i.e. where the screen can create raised and lowered areas to simulate , say , a keyboard .
This is necessary because typing on glass , like I 'm doing now on my iPod touch , is really annoying    one needs some kind of physical feedback to hit the keys accurately.The reason for capacitivity ( ?
) is that this would allow one to draw with a specially designed stylus : when I began to draw the screen would be able to detect my hand resting on the screen and ignore it , while the small point of the stylus would be recognised .
Alternatively you could combine a resistive and capacitative touchscreen in the same way    capacitative sees your hand , resistive your hand and the stylus : the screen just draws the difference between the two.The benefit of this setup is that it allows one to switch from typing ( best for recording words ) to drawing ( best for drawng diagrams ) without having to do anything but pick up the stylus : as soon as its presence was detected on the screen the keyboard would simply melt out of the way.p.s .
Feel free to make one of these and send me the prototype for free ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the best solution would be a tablet that's specially designed to suit notetaking.
Pen and paper is great because of its flexibility (as per article, ability to draw), and digital methods are good because the text can be retrieved as actual text later, rather than an image or a poor OCR.So it seems that the ideal solution would be a capacitative touchscreen tablet with a deformable screen like the one that was rumoured to be a possibility for the iPad.
i.e. where the screen can create raised and lowered areas to simulate, say, a keyboard.
This is necessary because typing on glass, like I'm doing now on my iPod touch, is really annoying—one needs some kind of physical feedback to hit the keys accurately.The reason for capacitivity (?
) is that this would allow one to draw with a specially designed stylus: when I began to draw the screen would be able to detect my hand resting on the screen and ignore it, while the small point of the stylus would be recognised.
Alternatively you could combine a resistive and capacitative touchscreen in the same way— capacitative sees your hand, resistive your hand and the stylus: the screen just draws the difference between the two.The benefit of this setup is that it allows one to switch from typing (best for recording words) to drawing (best for drawng diagrams) without having to do anything but pick up the stylus: as soon as its presence was detected on the screen the keyboard would simply melt out of the way.p.s.
Feel free to make one of these and send me the prototype for free ;)</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>alvinrod</author>
	<datestamp>1265542920000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I would tend to disagree at least for me. I've found that taking notes in class vastly helped learning the material. For whatever reason, I'm better at remembering things which I've physically written down on paper. There are some classes where note taking wasn't necessary, but for anything involving rote memorization and regurgitation of definitions, note taking was way better for me.
<br> <br>
Personally, my favorite classes were the ones were tests weren't emphasized. The classes were focused on group discussion and exploring ideas and concepts. They weren't the types of classes where simply regurgitating information was useful. However not all classes can easily be taught like that. General chemistry is easier to teach to and grade for 500 students, most of whom aren't interested in the class, if it's focused heavily on regurgitating information and applying basic formulas.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would tend to disagree at least for me .
I 've found that taking notes in class vastly helped learning the material .
For whatever reason , I 'm better at remembering things which I 've physically written down on paper .
There are some classes where note taking was n't necessary , but for anything involving rote memorization and regurgitation of definitions , note taking was way better for me .
Personally , my favorite classes were the ones were tests were n't emphasized .
The classes were focused on group discussion and exploring ideas and concepts .
They were n't the types of classes where simply regurgitating information was useful .
However not all classes can easily be taught like that .
General chemistry is easier to teach to and grade for 500 students , most of whom are n't interested in the class , if it 's focused heavily on regurgitating information and applying basic formulas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would tend to disagree at least for me.
I've found that taking notes in class vastly helped learning the material.
For whatever reason, I'm better at remembering things which I've physically written down on paper.
There are some classes where note taking wasn't necessary, but for anything involving rote memorization and regurgitation of definitions, note taking was way better for me.
Personally, my favorite classes were the ones were tests weren't emphasized.
The classes were focused on group discussion and exploring ideas and concepts.
They weren't the types of classes where simply regurgitating information was useful.
However not all classes can easily be taught like that.
General chemistry is easier to teach to and grade for 500 students, most of whom aren't interested in the class, if it's focused heavily on regurgitating information and applying basic formulas.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055528</id>
	<title>Note taking in Geology classes</title>
	<author>Drache Kubisuro</author>
	<datestamp>1265541900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is nearly impossible to take notes using an electronic device in geology courses.  As the OP mentioned, diagrams are rather difficult to draw quickly and effectively on electronic devices.  Thus I use a pad of engineering paper to write all notes and draw all diagrams.  The exception occurs for those times when the lecturer posts slides online beforehand and *never* draws on the blackboard.  If necessary I convert to PDF and then use <a href="http://www.pdfxviewer.com/home/prod\_user/PDF-XChange\_Tools/pdfx\_viewer/" title="pdfxviewer.com" rel="nofollow">PDFXChange Viewer</a> [pdfxviewer.com] to annotate, highlight, and draw *very* simple diagrams or point out important parts with arrows.  It's nice to have notes directly on the slides and it saves me time since I don't have to correlate notes with each slide during study sessions.</p><p>The tablet industry needs to prove that tablets can be fast and accurate when taking notes and diagramming.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is nearly impossible to take notes using an electronic device in geology courses .
As the OP mentioned , diagrams are rather difficult to draw quickly and effectively on electronic devices .
Thus I use a pad of engineering paper to write all notes and draw all diagrams .
The exception occurs for those times when the lecturer posts slides online beforehand and * never * draws on the blackboard .
If necessary I convert to PDF and then use PDFXChange Viewer [ pdfxviewer.com ] to annotate , highlight , and draw * very * simple diagrams or point out important parts with arrows .
It 's nice to have notes directly on the slides and it saves me time since I do n't have to correlate notes with each slide during study sessions.The tablet industry needs to prove that tablets can be fast and accurate when taking notes and diagramming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is nearly impossible to take notes using an electronic device in geology courses.
As the OP mentioned, diagrams are rather difficult to draw quickly and effectively on electronic devices.
Thus I use a pad of engineering paper to write all notes and draw all diagrams.
The exception occurs for those times when the lecturer posts slides online beforehand and *never* draws on the blackboard.
If necessary I convert to PDF and then use PDFXChange Viewer [pdfxviewer.com] to annotate, highlight, and draw *very* simple diagrams or point out important parts with arrows.
It's nice to have notes directly on the slides and it saves me time since I don't have to correlate notes with each slide during study sessions.The tablet industry needs to prove that tablets can be fast and accurate when taking notes and diagramming.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055244</id>
	<title>Re:At Law School...</title>
	<author>pipingguy</author>
	<datestamp>1265540040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>when you have a particularly intense class you can get down a lot more information typing than you can with pen and paper.</i> <br> <br>

That depends on how fast you can write and how you organize notes and thoughts. Sure, typing-in stuff is great for later searching but it also makes it easier to "file-and-forget".<br> <br>
Engineers and designers typically still use hardbound "diary"-type books so as to have a hard copy of meeting notes, important info, etc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>when you have a particularly intense class you can get down a lot more information typing than you can with pen and paper .
That depends on how fast you can write and how you organize notes and thoughts .
Sure , typing-in stuff is great for later searching but it also makes it easier to " file-and-forget " .
Engineers and designers typically still use hardbound " diary " -type books so as to have a hard copy of meeting notes , important info , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>when you have a particularly intense class you can get down a lot more information typing than you can with pen and paper.
That depends on how fast you can write and how you organize notes and thoughts.
Sure, typing-in stuff is great for later searching but it also makes it easier to "file-and-forget".
Engineers and designers typically still use hardbound "diary"-type books so as to have a hard copy of meeting notes, important info, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056024</id>
	<title>Pen &amp; Paper is less distracting...</title>
	<author>BlueScreenOfTOM</author>
	<datestamp>1265545440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For me, I found that I was much less distracted when I was taking notes on paper.  I had one particular class (it was a CS class) that was pretty difficult.  The first half of the semester I would bring my laptop to class every day, and attempt to follow along with the Powerpoint slides and take notes on each one.  By the time the midterm came up, I realized I was taking almost no notes and was spending most of my time during class on Slashdot and other distracting sites instead of paying attention.  My grade on the midterm exam reflected this.  To solve the predicament I found myself in, I decided to go the pen-and-paper route for the rest of the semester.  Not only did my grades come back up for the final, but I can definitely say I learned a lot more in the second half of the course.<br>
<br>
If you've got wireless internet, you've got a distraction waiting to happen.  If you really need to concentrate on the lecture material, I suggest leaving the laptop at home/dorm/apartment and coming to class with a pen and some paper.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For me , I found that I was much less distracted when I was taking notes on paper .
I had one particular class ( it was a CS class ) that was pretty difficult .
The first half of the semester I would bring my laptop to class every day , and attempt to follow along with the Powerpoint slides and take notes on each one .
By the time the midterm came up , I realized I was taking almost no notes and was spending most of my time during class on Slashdot and other distracting sites instead of paying attention .
My grade on the midterm exam reflected this .
To solve the predicament I found myself in , I decided to go the pen-and-paper route for the rest of the semester .
Not only did my grades come back up for the final , but I can definitely say I learned a lot more in the second half of the course .
If you 've got wireless internet , you 've got a distraction waiting to happen .
If you really need to concentrate on the lecture material , I suggest leaving the laptop at home/dorm/apartment and coming to class with a pen and some paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For me, I found that I was much less distracted when I was taking notes on paper.
I had one particular class (it was a CS class) that was pretty difficult.
The first half of the semester I would bring my laptop to class every day, and attempt to follow along with the Powerpoint slides and take notes on each one.
By the time the midterm came up, I realized I was taking almost no notes and was spending most of my time during class on Slashdot and other distracting sites instead of paying attention.
My grade on the midterm exam reflected this.
To solve the predicament I found myself in, I decided to go the pen-and-paper route for the rest of the semester.
Not only did my grades come back up for the final, but I can definitely say I learned a lot more in the second half of the course.
If you've got wireless internet, you've got a distraction waiting to happen.
If you really need to concentrate on the lecture material, I suggest leaving the laptop at home/dorm/apartment and coming to class with a pen and some paper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057560</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>Eudial</author>
	<datestamp>1265560680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed. If all you are doing on your lectures is reciting bullet points off of slides, why should anyone attend your lectures?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
If all you are doing on your lectures is reciting bullet points off of slides , why should anyone attend your lectures ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
If all you are doing on your lectures is reciting bullet points off of slides, why should anyone attend your lectures?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057836</id>
	<title>Re:Notes</title>
	<author>podom</author>
	<datestamp>1265563140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Totally off-topic, but I find the Pilot G-2 gel ink pen (I like the 0.7 mm) to be as good as any fountain pen I've ever used. Inexpensive, writes beautifully, and consistently works until the ink runs out, which, incidentally, is about 20x as long as a cartridge fountain pen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Totally off-topic , but I find the Pilot G-2 gel ink pen ( I like the 0.7 mm ) to be as good as any fountain pen I 've ever used .
Inexpensive , writes beautifully , and consistently works until the ink runs out , which , incidentally , is about 20x as long as a cartridge fountain pen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Totally off-topic, but I find the Pilot G-2 gel ink pen (I like the 0.7 mm) to be as good as any fountain pen I've ever used.
Inexpensive, writes beautifully, and consistently works until the ink runs out, which, incidentally, is about 20x as long as a cartridge fountain pen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31062786</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take notes during lectures</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265656740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, I think you missed the point.  Second, sometimes you're required to take a course that covers very familiar material.</p><p>I hated taking notes in class.  I would preview the relevant material before the lecture.  During the lecture I would only take notes on things that weren't in the source material.  The margins of my books (which I still have) carry various shortcuts, observations, gotcha's, corrections, etc. pointed out during lectures.  Why take notes when I just paid for a bound, indexed, and generally pretty solid book (usually in color)?</p><p>I also took quite a few courses that covered material I was already familiar with.  I had been exposed to CS and EE my whole life.  Plus, I elected to work for a few years before getting my degree.  I found myself in a unique position in most of my courses -- most of the material was familiar to me and I could see the material in context -- where have/was I going to use this?</p><p>In the end I got the official degrees required by so many companies and filled in some knowledge gaps.  The main thing I learned was most of my courses emphasized skills and materials that were more useful to an academic career than a practical real world career.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , I think you missed the point .
Second , sometimes you 're required to take a course that covers very familiar material.I hated taking notes in class .
I would preview the relevant material before the lecture .
During the lecture I would only take notes on things that were n't in the source material .
The margins of my books ( which I still have ) carry various shortcuts , observations , gotcha 's , corrections , etc .
pointed out during lectures .
Why take notes when I just paid for a bound , indexed , and generally pretty solid book ( usually in color ) ? I also took quite a few courses that covered material I was already familiar with .
I had been exposed to CS and EE my whole life .
Plus , I elected to work for a few years before getting my degree .
I found myself in a unique position in most of my courses -- most of the material was familiar to me and I could see the material in context -- where have/was I going to use this ? In the end I got the official degrees required by so many companies and filled in some knowledge gaps .
The main thing I learned was most of my courses emphasized skills and materials that were more useful to an academic career than a practical real world career .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, I think you missed the point.
Second, sometimes you're required to take a course that covers very familiar material.I hated taking notes in class.
I would preview the relevant material before the lecture.
During the lecture I would only take notes on things that weren't in the source material.
The margins of my books (which I still have) carry various shortcuts, observations, gotcha's, corrections, etc.
pointed out during lectures.
Why take notes when I just paid for a bound, indexed, and generally pretty solid book (usually in color)?I also took quite a few courses that covered material I was already familiar with.
I had been exposed to CS and EE my whole life.
Plus, I elected to work for a few years before getting my degree.
I found myself in a unique position in most of my courses -- most of the material was familiar to me and I could see the material in context -- where have/was I going to use this?In the end I got the official degrees required by so many companies and filled in some knowledge gaps.
The main thing I learned was most of my courses emphasized skills and materials that were more useful to an academic career than a practical real world career.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057412</id>
	<title>Re:At Law School...</title>
	<author>pdabbadabba</author>
	<datestamp>1265559420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can also report that almost all law students take notes on laptops. Personally, I do it because, in most classes, we can take our notes (electronic or otherwise) into the final exam and if they're electronic, then that means they can easily be searched. Big advantage.</p><p>And it's true, generally that it's also probably easier for us because of the lack of diagrams (though there are certainly some...and typing notes certainly makes it a pain to get them down.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can also report that almost all law students take notes on laptops .
Personally , I do it because , in most classes , we can take our notes ( electronic or otherwise ) into the final exam and if they 're electronic , then that means they can easily be searched .
Big advantage.And it 's true , generally that it 's also probably easier for us because of the lack of diagrams ( though there are certainly some...and typing notes certainly makes it a pain to get them down .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can also report that almost all law students take notes on laptops.
Personally, I do it because, in most classes, we can take our notes (electronic or otherwise) into the final exam and if they're electronic, then that means they can easily be searched.
Big advantage.And it's true, generally that it's also probably easier for us because of the lack of diagrams (though there are certainly some...and typing notes certainly makes it a pain to get them down.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31061816</id>
	<title>Latex?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265651640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>About 5 years ago in a math lecture. There was someone who tex'ed everything the professor said. Live. About 5 minutes after each lecture he put everything online.<br>So I'd advise you to stick to your old laptop and learn LaTeX instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>About 5 years ago in a math lecture .
There was someone who tex'ed everything the professor said .
Live. About 5 minutes after each lecture he put everything online.So I 'd advise you to stick to your old laptop and learn LaTeX instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>About 5 years ago in a math lecture.
There was someone who tex'ed everything the professor said.
Live. About 5 minutes after each lecture he put everything online.So I'd advise you to stick to your old laptop and learn LaTeX instead.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055742</id>
	<title>Livescribe Pulsepen</title>
	<author>mikethicke</author>
	<datestamp>1265543520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not to be a shill, but I've been using the <a href="http://www.livescribe.com/" title="livescribe.com" rel="nofollow">Livescribe Pulsepen</a> [livescribe.com] for about a year and it's perfect for class notes. It records what you write then uploads your notes to your computer, along with audio that is sync'd to your notes, so you can hear what was being said while you were writing. You can convert notes to text using 3rd party software, but I've found it to be better just to leave it in handwritten form. The search function actually works pretty well for handwritten notes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to be a shill , but I 've been using the Livescribe Pulsepen [ livescribe.com ] for about a year and it 's perfect for class notes .
It records what you write then uploads your notes to your computer , along with audio that is sync 'd to your notes , so you can hear what was being said while you were writing .
You can convert notes to text using 3rd party software , but I 've found it to be better just to leave it in handwritten form .
The search function actually works pretty well for handwritten notes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to be a shill, but I've been using the Livescribe Pulsepen [livescribe.com] for about a year and it's perfect for class notes.
It records what you write then uploads your notes to your computer, along with audio that is sync'd to your notes, so you can hear what was being said while you were writing.
You can convert notes to text using 3rd party software, but I've found it to be better just to leave it in handwritten form.
The search function actually works pretty well for handwritten notes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31065018</id>
	<title>Re:Notebook and Webcam/Camera Phone and OneNote</title>
	<author>mob)barley</author>
	<datestamp>1265623740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thanks for this. I'm going to check out OneNote. Also, I hear Evernote is good if you're using the right OS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for this .
I 'm going to check out OneNote .
Also , I hear Evernote is good if you 're using the right OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for this.
I'm going to check out OneNote.
Also, I hear Evernote is good if you're using the right OS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31062260</id>
	<title>Re:Notes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265654100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the best balance is taking neatly handwritten notes, bulk scanning them, and sorting them in something like MS OneNote. You can then use the text recognition to index and sort, etc.  I find that if you make sure that every page has a clearly written Title and Date, no matter what you end up with, organization will be simplified. And if you can't write for sh!t you can still index the title and date and then go back to your sloppy freehanded pen wielding self.</p><p>Not a huge MS fan, but you have to admit they have the best Office Productivity tools.</p><p>the other thing that seems cool are those pens that track everything you write.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the best balance is taking neatly handwritten notes , bulk scanning them , and sorting them in something like MS OneNote .
You can then use the text recognition to index and sort , etc .
I find that if you make sure that every page has a clearly written Title and Date , no matter what you end up with , organization will be simplified .
And if you ca n't write for sh ! t you can still index the title and date and then go back to your sloppy freehanded pen wielding self.Not a huge MS fan , but you have to admit they have the best Office Productivity tools.the other thing that seems cool are those pens that track everything you write .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the best balance is taking neatly handwritten notes, bulk scanning them, and sorting them in something like MS OneNote.
You can then use the text recognition to index and sort, etc.
I find that if you make sure that every page has a clearly written Title and Date, no matter what you end up with, organization will be simplified.
And if you can't write for sh!t you can still index the title and date and then go back to your sloppy freehanded pen wielding self.Not a huge MS fan, but you have to admit they have the best Office Productivity tools.the other thing that seems cool are those pens that track everything you write.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31059146</id>
	<title>pen&amp;paper \_or\_ videocamera</title>
	<author>sraak</author>
	<datestamp>1265626380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>pen is the ultimate tool for taking notes.<br>laptop lacks free drawing tools (combined to keyboard noting, free software, for many operating systems, \_small\_, preferable portable...)<br>but if you can video the whole stuff then you can freely concentrate on the lecture and if you want, use pen from time to time for clarification.</p><p>laptop is limited to technology, in one or more ways and to your abilities to use it.<br>pen is limited to you. only.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>pen is the ultimate tool for taking notes.laptop lacks free drawing tools ( combined to keyboard noting , free software , for many operating systems , \ _small \ _ , preferable portable... ) but if you can video the whole stuff then you can freely concentrate on the lecture and if you want , use pen from time to time for clarification.laptop is limited to technology , in one or more ways and to your abilities to use it.pen is limited to you .
only .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>pen is the ultimate tool for taking notes.laptop lacks free drawing tools (combined to keyboard noting, free software, for many operating systems, \_small\_, preferable portable...)but if you can video the whole stuff then you can freely concentrate on the lecture and if you want, use pen from time to time for clarification.laptop is limited to technology, in one or more ways and to your abilities to use it.pen is limited to you.
only.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057992</id>
	<title>Hipster PDA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265564520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hipster PDA<br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster\_pda</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hipster PDAhttp : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster \ _pda</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hipster PDAhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster\_pda</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054806</id>
	<title>CrossPad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265537160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>About 10 years ago when I was in college, I bought a Crosspad ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crosspad ). They never really took off but I have found it indespensible for note-taking. It is essentially a digitizer tablet. What differentiated it from other digitizers is that you put a letter size pad of paper on top of it so you do not need a screen to see your notes - they are on normal paper; the pen has a transmitter in it so you get the best of both worlds - you are not limited to what types of notes you can take (e.g., have to use a clunky equation editor for maths) and you can transfer the notes to your computer after class. It came with a IBM Ink Manager software which does text recognition so you can turn it into actual useable text for organizing and indexing. Ink Manager is fairly decent though it needs to be trained and seems to hover around 90\% accuracy depending on how inconsistent my handwriting is. That actually ends up being a good thing as it forced me to review my notes after class in order to transfer them into a useable text format.</p><p>I vaguely remember it interfaced with Office 97 in some fashion. For linux (or you do not have the Ink Manager software) try looking here ( http://pages.swcp.com/~hudson/pilot/crosspad.html ). Cross does not make the Crosspad anymore but you can still get the ink refills for the pen (it is actually a nice pen to write with). I see Crosspad or Crosspad XP up on Ebay occasionally. I bought a second one a couple years ago in case my first one broke but I have never had an issue with them so they are definately reliable. It is rated for 50 pages of letter sized text but I usually hit the limit around 30. It runs on normal AAAA batteries for the Pen and AAA for the digitizer. I usually got about a month of note taking before I had to change the batteries.</p><p>The physical device itself is ~.75 in think and about the height of a legal pad and ~10" wide. It is pretty unobtrusive. Startup is ~2 - 3 seconds and there is not alot of complexity to the menu interface. The menu interface is a small lcd at the bottom with a couple of note taking options - bookmarking pages, circling a keyword in the document, turn off beeps, next page, etc... Basically, you can put the device in a normal business-y looking sleeve, switch it on and you are ready to go. With a laptop or tablet, I always end up focusing a bit on the mechanics of taking notes - the Crosspad basically "stays out of the way" so you can focus on the learning from class or listening to whomever is talking rather than constantly puttering about with text size, colors, entry modes, etc...</p><p>Sorry if this sounds like a commercial but this is probably one of the most useful things I have every owned. I never understood why it did not take off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>About 10 years ago when I was in college , I bought a Crosspad ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crosspad ) .
They never really took off but I have found it indespensible for note-taking .
It is essentially a digitizer tablet .
What differentiated it from other digitizers is that you put a letter size pad of paper on top of it so you do not need a screen to see your notes - they are on normal paper ; the pen has a transmitter in it so you get the best of both worlds - you are not limited to what types of notes you can take ( e.g. , have to use a clunky equation editor for maths ) and you can transfer the notes to your computer after class .
It came with a IBM Ink Manager software which does text recognition so you can turn it into actual useable text for organizing and indexing .
Ink Manager is fairly decent though it needs to be trained and seems to hover around 90 \ % accuracy depending on how inconsistent my handwriting is .
That actually ends up being a good thing as it forced me to review my notes after class in order to transfer them into a useable text format.I vaguely remember it interfaced with Office 97 in some fashion .
For linux ( or you do not have the Ink Manager software ) try looking here ( http : //pages.swcp.com/ ~ hudson/pilot/crosspad.html ) .
Cross does not make the Crosspad anymore but you can still get the ink refills for the pen ( it is actually a nice pen to write with ) .
I see Crosspad or Crosspad XP up on Ebay occasionally .
I bought a second one a couple years ago in case my first one broke but I have never had an issue with them so they are definately reliable .
It is rated for 50 pages of letter sized text but I usually hit the limit around 30 .
It runs on normal AAAA batteries for the Pen and AAA for the digitizer .
I usually got about a month of note taking before I had to change the batteries.The physical device itself is ~ .75 in think and about the height of a legal pad and ~ 10 " wide .
It is pretty unobtrusive .
Startup is ~ 2 - 3 seconds and there is not alot of complexity to the menu interface .
The menu interface is a small lcd at the bottom with a couple of note taking options - bookmarking pages , circling a keyword in the document , turn off beeps , next page , etc... Basically , you can put the device in a normal business-y looking sleeve , switch it on and you are ready to go .
With a laptop or tablet , I always end up focusing a bit on the mechanics of taking notes - the Crosspad basically " stays out of the way " so you can focus on the learning from class or listening to whomever is talking rather than constantly puttering about with text size , colors , entry modes , etc...Sorry if this sounds like a commercial but this is probably one of the most useful things I have every owned .
I never understood why it did not take off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>About 10 years ago when I was in college, I bought a Crosspad ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crosspad ).
They never really took off but I have found it indespensible for note-taking.
It is essentially a digitizer tablet.
What differentiated it from other digitizers is that you put a letter size pad of paper on top of it so you do not need a screen to see your notes - they are on normal paper; the pen has a transmitter in it so you get the best of both worlds - you are not limited to what types of notes you can take (e.g., have to use a clunky equation editor for maths) and you can transfer the notes to your computer after class.
It came with a IBM Ink Manager software which does text recognition so you can turn it into actual useable text for organizing and indexing.
Ink Manager is fairly decent though it needs to be trained and seems to hover around 90\% accuracy depending on how inconsistent my handwriting is.
That actually ends up being a good thing as it forced me to review my notes after class in order to transfer them into a useable text format.I vaguely remember it interfaced with Office 97 in some fashion.
For linux (or you do not have the Ink Manager software) try looking here ( http://pages.swcp.com/~hudson/pilot/crosspad.html ).
Cross does not make the Crosspad anymore but you can still get the ink refills for the pen (it is actually a nice pen to write with).
I see Crosspad or Crosspad XP up on Ebay occasionally.
I bought a second one a couple years ago in case my first one broke but I have never had an issue with them so they are definately reliable.
It is rated for 50 pages of letter sized text but I usually hit the limit around 30.
It runs on normal AAAA batteries for the Pen and AAA for the digitizer.
I usually got about a month of note taking before I had to change the batteries.The physical device itself is ~.75 in think and about the height of a legal pad and ~10" wide.
It is pretty unobtrusive.
Startup is ~2 - 3 seconds and there is not alot of complexity to the menu interface.
The menu interface is a small lcd at the bottom with a couple of note taking options - bookmarking pages, circling a keyword in the document, turn off beeps, next page, etc... Basically, you can put the device in a normal business-y looking sleeve, switch it on and you are ready to go.
With a laptop or tablet, I always end up focusing a bit on the mechanics of taking notes - the Crosspad basically "stays out of the way" so you can focus on the learning from class or listening to whomever is talking rather than constantly puttering about with text size, colors, entry modes, etc...Sorry if this sounds like a commercial but this is probably one of the most useful things I have every owned.
I never understood why it did not take off.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055008</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>RobVB</author>
	<datestamp>1265538720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The problem with putting slides online is it encourages students to skip lectures.</p></div><p>The problem with not putting slides online is that you're blackmailing students into coming to class. You should get people to come to your lectures by making them interesting, helpful and/or entertaining.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with putting slides online is it encourages students to skip lectures.The problem with not putting slides online is that you 're blackmailing students into coming to class .
You should get people to come to your lectures by making them interesting , helpful and/or entertaining .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with putting slides online is it encourages students to skip lectures.The problem with not putting slides online is that you're blackmailing students into coming to class.
You should get people to come to your lectures by making them interesting, helpful and/or entertaining.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056556</id>
	<title>Re:Pencil.</title>
	<author>Totenglocke</author>
	<datestamp>1265551080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Also, not having a laptop discourages you from checking email, facebook, or playing games.</p></div><p>Well, you could always create a second account on the machine (lets call it Class) that doesn't have the rights to run email / web browser / games.  That eliminates the temptation.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Also , not having a laptop discourages you from checking email , facebook , or playing games.Well , you could always create a second account on the machine ( lets call it Class ) that does n't have the rights to run email / web browser / games .
That eliminates the temptation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, not having a laptop discourages you from checking email, facebook, or playing games.Well, you could always create a second account on the machine (lets call it Class) that doesn't have the rights to run email / web browser / games.
That eliminates the temptation.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055432</id>
	<title>Re:Another data point...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265541240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you tried suggesting to her that she take notes by hand? You know, that is what a good teacher would have done the second time he saw her taking the same class. Teachers are there to help the students succeed in learning the material, after all.</p><p>If you haven't, that's pretty pathetic on your part.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you tried suggesting to her that she take notes by hand ?
You know , that is what a good teacher would have done the second time he saw her taking the same class .
Teachers are there to help the students succeed in learning the material , after all.If you have n't , that 's pretty pathetic on your part .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you tried suggesting to her that she take notes by hand?
You know, that is what a good teacher would have done the second time he saw her taking the same class.
Teachers are there to help the students succeed in learning the material, after all.If you haven't, that's pretty pathetic on your part.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057522</id>
	<title>Well...</title>
	<author>rinoid</author>
	<datestamp>1265560380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I only use my Newton MessagePad 2000 for note taking man! Are you nuts?!<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>OK really? graph paper is my preference. I do own a few Newtons and they were great note takers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I only use my Newton MessagePad 2000 for note taking man !
Are you nuts ? !
OK really ?
graph paper is my preference .
I do own a few Newtons and they were great note takers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I only use my Newton MessagePad 2000 for note taking man!
Are you nuts?!
OK really?
graph paper is my preference.
I do own a few Newtons and they were great note takers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056664</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>Totenglocke</author>
	<datestamp>1265552100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Definitely.  The classes where I learned the most were where professors put the notes up on Blackboard for us to download.  That meant that instead of focusing on "Is this important enough to write down?" and scribbling fast enough to keep up with the professor, you could just actually <i>listen</i> to what the professor was saying.  Then you download the notes and review them at your leisure / make your own notes from them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Definitely .
The classes where I learned the most were where professors put the notes up on Blackboard for us to download .
That meant that instead of focusing on " Is this important enough to write down ?
" and scribbling fast enough to keep up with the professor , you could just actually listen to what the professor was saying .
Then you download the notes and review them at your leisure / make your own notes from them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Definitely.
The classes where I learned the most were where professors put the notes up on Blackboard for us to download.
That meant that instead of focusing on "Is this important enough to write down?
" and scribbling fast enough to keep up with the professor, you could just actually listen to what the professor was saying.
Then you download the notes and review them at your leisure / make your own notes from them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056766</id>
	<title>This is all my part of my disappointment.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265552820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The start of 2010 was a huge disappointment to me.  First we had CES 2010, where what seemed to be hundreds of slates were announced, and not a single one coming with an active digitizer.  My last hope was the announcement of the iPad.</p><p>In the fields of science and engineering, there would be a \_huge\_ market for a 10" lightweight slate that would make a good note-taker if it was cheap.  $500 for something that could:<br>-Keep up to date with your emails.<br>-Download lecture slides, prac handouts, etc.<br>-Record voice and take notes.<br>-Have an easy interface.<br>-Be able to sync easily with a mac/pc.</p><p>Just something that can help replace my average of 100 pages a week of; notes, diagrams, slide printouts and rough work-outs, that isn't going to send me broke, or be over-featured like most tabletpcs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The start of 2010 was a huge disappointment to me .
First we had CES 2010 , where what seemed to be hundreds of slates were announced , and not a single one coming with an active digitizer .
My last hope was the announcement of the iPad.In the fields of science and engineering , there would be a \ _huge \ _ market for a 10 " lightweight slate that would make a good note-taker if it was cheap .
$ 500 for something that could : -Keep up to date with your emails.-Download lecture slides , prac handouts , etc.-Record voice and take notes.-Have an easy interface.-Be able to sync easily with a mac/pc.Just something that can help replace my average of 100 pages a week of ; notes , diagrams , slide printouts and rough work-outs , that is n't going to send me broke , or be over-featured like most tabletpcs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The start of 2010 was a huge disappointment to me.
First we had CES 2010, where what seemed to be hundreds of slates were announced, and not a single one coming with an active digitizer.
My last hope was the announcement of the iPad.In the fields of science and engineering, there would be a \_huge\_ market for a 10" lightweight slate that would make a good note-taker if it was cheap.
$500 for something that could:-Keep up to date with your emails.-Download lecture slides, prac handouts, etc.-Record voice and take notes.-Have an easy interface.-Be able to sync easily with a mac/pc.Just something that can help replace my average of 100 pages a week of; notes, diagrams, slide printouts and rough work-outs, that isn't going to send me broke, or be over-featured like most tabletpcs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31058220</id>
	<title>OneNote</title>
	<author>PensivePeter</author>
	<datestamp>1265567040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I use OneNote on a ThinkPad Tablet PC. I hand-write notes and diagrams, OneNote converts them later; I add keyboard-entered text when I can, particularly with key text, keywords and metadata that OneNote can search and retrieve very efficiently and effectively. It has still to be one of the best software products that Microsoft have ever released.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use OneNote on a ThinkPad Tablet PC .
I hand-write notes and diagrams , OneNote converts them later ; I add keyboard-entered text when I can , particularly with key text , keywords and metadata that OneNote can search and retrieve very efficiently and effectively .
It has still to be one of the best software products that Microsoft have ever released .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use OneNote on a ThinkPad Tablet PC.
I hand-write notes and diagrams, OneNote converts them later; I add keyboard-entered text when I can, particularly with key text, keywords and metadata that OneNote can search and retrieve very efficiently and effectively.
It has still to be one of the best software products that Microsoft have ever released.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054816</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>djconrad</author>
	<datestamp>1265537280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem with putting slides online is it encourages students to skip lectures.  Unless the instructor is posting a written version of his lecture, students only reviewing slides online will not benefit from any comments the instructor makes.  Anyway slides should be a supplement and illustration of the lecture, rather than the lecture expounding the slides.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with putting slides online is it encourages students to skip lectures .
Unless the instructor is posting a written version of his lecture , students only reviewing slides online will not benefit from any comments the instructor makes .
Anyway slides should be a supplement and illustration of the lecture , rather than the lecture expounding the slides .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with putting slides online is it encourages students to skip lectures.
Unless the instructor is posting a written version of his lecture, students only reviewing slides online will not benefit from any comments the instructor makes.
Anyway slides should be a supplement and illustration of the lecture, rather than the lecture expounding the slides.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055140</id>
	<title>The iPad is a game changer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265539440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you are majoring in gay studies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are majoring in gay studies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are majoring in gay studies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054986</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1265538600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Eh?  No.
</p><p>There's nothing wrong with taking notes or not taking notes on any particular piece of information.  The problem is that teachers have apparently spent the last several decades trying to instruct their students that they must *always* take notes and that "taking notes" amounts to writing down everything the teacher said.
</p><p>The notes that you take should be for yourself.  The instructor mentions a term that you don't recognize?  Write it down so you can look it up later.  The instructor describes something in detail that you don't think you'll remember later?  Write it down so you'll remember it later.  Something your instructor says triggers an idea, or suddenly causes you to understand something you hadn't understood before?  Write it down.
</p><p>Proper note taking is a skill, and you do benefit from putting things down on paper.  I know it makes people feel super-smart to sit back and say, "That's ok, I'll remember it."  In the end, though, you'll be outperformed by "stupid" people who've learned how to take proper notes and process those notes later.  You simply can't hold everything in your head at once.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Eh ?
No . There 's nothing wrong with taking notes or not taking notes on any particular piece of information .
The problem is that teachers have apparently spent the last several decades trying to instruct their students that they must * always * take notes and that " taking notes " amounts to writing down everything the teacher said .
The notes that you take should be for yourself .
The instructor mentions a term that you do n't recognize ?
Write it down so you can look it up later .
The instructor describes something in detail that you do n't think you 'll remember later ?
Write it down so you 'll remember it later .
Something your instructor says triggers an idea , or suddenly causes you to understand something you had n't understood before ?
Write it down .
Proper note taking is a skill , and you do benefit from putting things down on paper .
I know it makes people feel super-smart to sit back and say , " That 's ok , I 'll remember it .
" In the end , though , you 'll be outperformed by " stupid " people who 've learned how to take proper notes and process those notes later .
You simply ca n't hold everything in your head at once .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eh?
No.
There's nothing wrong with taking notes or not taking notes on any particular piece of information.
The problem is that teachers have apparently spent the last several decades trying to instruct their students that they must *always* take notes and that "taking notes" amounts to writing down everything the teacher said.
The notes that you take should be for yourself.
The instructor mentions a term that you don't recognize?
Write it down so you can look it up later.
The instructor describes something in detail that you don't think you'll remember later?
Write it down so you'll remember it later.
Something your instructor says triggers an idea, or suddenly causes you to understand something you hadn't understood before?
Write it down.
Proper note taking is a skill, and you do benefit from putting things down on paper.
I know it makes people feel super-smart to sit back and say, "That's ok, I'll remember it.
"  In the end, though, you'll be outperformed by "stupid" people who've learned how to take proper notes and process those notes later.
You simply can't hold everything in your head at once.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31058234</id>
	<title>Why not use a stylus - with the iPad?</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1265567280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can use any iPhone stylus with the iPad (or so I am presuming since the technology is the same).</p><p>As for the video, you know the old saying "You had me at..."?</p><p>Well, you lost me at "right click".  With a stylus.  What kind of UI is that?</p><p>Not to mention the billions of tiny, tiny buttons everywhere.  As a technical student myself I understand the appeal of having all those things at hand, mind you... it's just that after years of using so many different devices, I just think it could be so much better and less user hostile, so that not just engineeering students could benefit from it...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can use any iPhone stylus with the iPad ( or so I am presuming since the technology is the same ) .As for the video , you know the old saying " You had me at... " ? Well , you lost me at " right click " .
With a stylus .
What kind of UI is that ? Not to mention the billions of tiny , tiny buttons everywhere .
As a technical student myself I understand the appeal of having all those things at hand , mind you... it 's just that after years of using so many different devices , I just think it could be so much better and less user hostile , so that not just engineeering students could benefit from it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can use any iPhone stylus with the iPad (or so I am presuming since the technology is the same).As for the video, you know the old saying "You had me at..."?Well, you lost me at "right click".
With a stylus.
What kind of UI is that?Not to mention the billions of tiny, tiny buttons everywhere.
As a technical student myself I understand the appeal of having all those things at hand, mind you... it's just that after years of using so many different devices, I just think it could be so much better and less user hostile, so that not just engineeering students could benefit from it...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31060244</id>
	<title>Re:Notes</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1265642460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I can type on my iTouch as fast as most people type on a computer (which is faster than most people write) so I'll be surprised if i cant do the same on an iPad. </i></p><p>Indeed, and if it's the same, it's not going to be a "game changer". For portable devices that allow you to read and enter text, the game changed years ago.</p><p>In ten years' time, I bet we'll see people claiming "Oh, Apple weren't the first, but they popularised it". Well here we can see - <i>Apple</i> are not popularising anything, it's the astroturfing that's generating the publicity, and creating a self-fulfilling prophecy (people claim the Ipad will be game changing, before it's even released, then years later they point to their <i>own</i> hype, and say, look, the Ipad did all this!)</p><p><i>Get a stylus for your iPad (yeah it's a little annoying it isn't included but whatever) </i></p><p>Actually, isn't there a problem that capacitive touchscreens (used by the Iwhatever for multitouch) isn't so good for use with a stylus? For those, you're better off with resistive touchscreens.</p><p><i>you just can't type by muscle memory without having a touch keyboard then maybe add a bluetooth keyboard. </i></p><p>Then you might as well just use any (much cheaper) phone that supports bluetooth keyboards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can type on my iTouch as fast as most people type on a computer ( which is faster than most people write ) so I 'll be surprised if i cant do the same on an iPad .
Indeed , and if it 's the same , it 's not going to be a " game changer " .
For portable devices that allow you to read and enter text , the game changed years ago.In ten years ' time , I bet we 'll see people claiming " Oh , Apple were n't the first , but they popularised it " .
Well here we can see - Apple are not popularising anything , it 's the astroturfing that 's generating the publicity , and creating a self-fulfilling prophecy ( people claim the Ipad will be game changing , before it 's even released , then years later they point to their own hype , and say , look , the Ipad did all this !
) Get a stylus for your iPad ( yeah it 's a little annoying it is n't included but whatever ) Actually , is n't there a problem that capacitive touchscreens ( used by the Iwhatever for multitouch ) is n't so good for use with a stylus ?
For those , you 're better off with resistive touchscreens.you just ca n't type by muscle memory without having a touch keyboard then maybe add a bluetooth keyboard .
Then you might as well just use any ( much cheaper ) phone that supports bluetooth keyboards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can type on my iTouch as fast as most people type on a computer (which is faster than most people write) so I'll be surprised if i cant do the same on an iPad.
Indeed, and if it's the same, it's not going to be a "game changer".
For portable devices that allow you to read and enter text, the game changed years ago.In ten years' time, I bet we'll see people claiming "Oh, Apple weren't the first, but they popularised it".
Well here we can see - Apple are not popularising anything, it's the astroturfing that's generating the publicity, and creating a self-fulfilling prophecy (people claim the Ipad will be game changing, before it's even released, then years later they point to their own hype, and say, look, the Ipad did all this!
)Get a stylus for your iPad (yeah it's a little annoying it isn't included but whatever) Actually, isn't there a problem that capacitive touchscreens (used by the Iwhatever for multitouch) isn't so good for use with a stylus?
For those, you're better off with resistive touchscreens.you just can't type by muscle memory without having a touch keyboard then maybe add a bluetooth keyboard.
Then you might as well just use any (much cheaper) phone that supports bluetooth keyboards.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054530</id>
	<title>Mic and camera</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265535420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What century is this? Stop wasting time trying to capture information manually. Jot down just the most important stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What century is this ?
Stop wasting time trying to capture information manually .
Jot down just the most important stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What century is this?
Stop wasting time trying to capture information manually.
Jot down just the most important stuff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31058230</id>
	<title>Use my notebook</title>
	<author>babeykade</author>
	<datestamp>1265567220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am a CS Programming major and took notes for the first year and a half by hand before I realized I could never possibly write as fast as I can type. Life has been great since the transition. I don't get writer's cramp in my hand and I am able to utilize effective memorization tactics like bolding and color coding with one click. Sometimes you remember things better by where they were on the page - how they stood out. It's quite difficult to do that writing. However, I think it comes down to a matter of typing ability. If you're a great typist - I think you should try it out for a week or so. If not, stick with the hand-written notes. No shame in doing it the old fashioned way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a CS Programming major and took notes for the first year and a half by hand before I realized I could never possibly write as fast as I can type .
Life has been great since the transition .
I do n't get writer 's cramp in my hand and I am able to utilize effective memorization tactics like bolding and color coding with one click .
Sometimes you remember things better by where they were on the page - how they stood out .
It 's quite difficult to do that writing .
However , I think it comes down to a matter of typing ability .
If you 're a great typist - I think you should try it out for a week or so .
If not , stick with the hand-written notes .
No shame in doing it the old fashioned way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a CS Programming major and took notes for the first year and a half by hand before I realized I could never possibly write as fast as I can type.
Life has been great since the transition.
I don't get writer's cramp in my hand and I am able to utilize effective memorization tactics like bolding and color coding with one click.
Sometimes you remember things better by where they were on the page - how they stood out.
It's quite difficult to do that writing.
However, I think it comes down to a matter of typing ability.
If you're a great typist - I think you should try it out for a week or so.
If not, stick with the hand-written notes.
No shame in doing it the old fashioned way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054722</id>
	<title>Only if she uses Linux or BSD...</title>
	<author>viraltus</author>
	<datestamp>1265536620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Otherwise no.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Otherwise no .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Otherwise no.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054554</id>
	<title>Tablet PC's ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265535540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Best combination of being able to freehand notes/diagrams while still keeping the abilities of a laptop.
I used a IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad X41t in my recent foray back to school (several years ago) loved it!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Best combination of being able to freehand notes/diagrams while still keeping the abilities of a laptop .
I used a IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad X41t in my recent foray back to school ( several years ago ) loved it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Best combination of being able to freehand notes/diagrams while still keeping the abilities of a laptop.
I used a IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad X41t in my recent foray back to school (several years ago) loved it!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31058188</id>
	<title>As a CS student in Finland</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265566560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can say that extensive notetaking is for most parts irrelevant and can even be harmful to learning; all the slides are available in two different presentation formats from the course homepages and can be printed before the lecture.  What you do then is add small, simple notes on top of the printed slides via a pencil IFF needed.  You spend the minimum amount of work typing, the notes are within context, and can concentrate on the lecture more.  This is how it works, in theory.</p><p>However, this doesn't mean that the lecturers wouldn't just babble the same stuff that can be found from the slides, without adding much, if any, more content; causing poor students to fall asleep and stop attending the classes.  CS education is often given by those who are not too apt in teaching, nor lecturing.  It makes attending the lectures pure torture and true waste of time.  But the fact stands that you learn a lot better during good lectures, and if you skip the bad ones, it doesn't mean you're easily going to push yourself to spend an equivalent time teaching it to yourself in your spare time.</p><p>Sigh, what disappointment the quality of University education was afterall<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p><p>Ps. Anyone else in the same boat with me?  I had about six years of hobbyist programming experience before starting, and I was by no means a Good programmer or Computer Scientist when compared to those who are really able in the field.  But even this seemed to create a vast gap between the average student.  Is it too easy to get in, or should I have given up and just studied something else when I already had decent knowledge of the field?  It really perplexes me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can say that extensive notetaking is for most parts irrelevant and can even be harmful to learning ; all the slides are available in two different presentation formats from the course homepages and can be printed before the lecture .
What you do then is add small , simple notes on top of the printed slides via a pencil IFF needed .
You spend the minimum amount of work typing , the notes are within context , and can concentrate on the lecture more .
This is how it works , in theory.However , this does n't mean that the lecturers would n't just babble the same stuff that can be found from the slides , without adding much , if any , more content ; causing poor students to fall asleep and stop attending the classes .
CS education is often given by those who are not too apt in teaching , nor lecturing .
It makes attending the lectures pure torture and true waste of time .
But the fact stands that you learn a lot better during good lectures , and if you skip the bad ones , it does n't mean you 're easily going to push yourself to spend an equivalent time teaching it to yourself in your spare time.Sigh , what disappointment the quality of University education was afterall : ( Ps .
Anyone else in the same boat with me ?
I had about six years of hobbyist programming experience before starting , and I was by no means a Good programmer or Computer Scientist when compared to those who are really able in the field .
But even this seemed to create a vast gap between the average student .
Is it too easy to get in , or should I have given up and just studied something else when I already had decent knowledge of the field ?
It really perplexes me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can say that extensive notetaking is for most parts irrelevant and can even be harmful to learning; all the slides are available in two different presentation formats from the course homepages and can be printed before the lecture.
What you do then is add small, simple notes on top of the printed slides via a pencil IFF needed.
You spend the minimum amount of work typing, the notes are within context, and can concentrate on the lecture more.
This is how it works, in theory.However, this doesn't mean that the lecturers wouldn't just babble the same stuff that can be found from the slides, without adding much, if any, more content; causing poor students to fall asleep and stop attending the classes.
CS education is often given by those who are not too apt in teaching, nor lecturing.
It makes attending the lectures pure torture and true waste of time.
But the fact stands that you learn a lot better during good lectures, and if you skip the bad ones, it doesn't mean you're easily going to push yourself to spend an equivalent time teaching it to yourself in your spare time.Sigh, what disappointment the quality of University education was afterall :(Ps.
Anyone else in the same boat with me?
I had about six years of hobbyist programming experience before starting, and I was by no means a Good programmer or Computer Scientist when compared to those who are really able in the field.
But even this seemed to create a vast gap between the average student.
Is it too easy to get in, or should I have given up and just studied something else when I already had decent knowledge of the field?
It really perplexes me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054732</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265536740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right, you shouldn't need to take notes if you have an effective instructor.  Tests shouldn't be on "trick questions" to make sure you were listening in class.  But you see a lot of students who don't take college life professionally and therefore the instructors had to respond and now here we are.</p><p>I think lecture is best spent listening intently to every word your instructor says.  Note taking means you are not understanding, only listening for the next word to copy down.  This means it's much more likely to miss something.  Why do you need notes anyway?  Unless you're talking about some insane 500 level class at MIT you aren't probably learning anything that A.) hasn't been tought for several years B.) is in the text book C.) is on the internet somewhere.</p><p>Anyway, learning is really all about repetition and it takes repeating something for approximately 21 days (not every day but repetition dispersed along that time period) to cement something in your brain.  So here's the most effective strategy I know of:</p><p>1. Read the text book, even if it's boring and even if you don't understand it, read it.  You can read without understanding.  This is just building a foundation for later when you have the a-ha moment.</p><p>2. Go to lecure and don't take notes.  Instead keep your eyes on the professor's face the entire lecture.  You will be amazed how much more you remember.</p><p>3. Do the homework, even if it's repetitive and easy.  It will save you study time later.  Most courses use a spiral method where they reprise certain things throughout the course.  If you didn't get it enough the first time you'll just fall deeper and deeper into a pit of dispair.</p><p>4. Figure out the pattern your instructor uses to make test questions.  Do they come from the book?  Do they come from other materials?  Usually you'll see some patterns and know what to study.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right , you should n't need to take notes if you have an effective instructor .
Tests should n't be on " trick questions " to make sure you were listening in class .
But you see a lot of students who do n't take college life professionally and therefore the instructors had to respond and now here we are.I think lecture is best spent listening intently to every word your instructor says .
Note taking means you are not understanding , only listening for the next word to copy down .
This means it 's much more likely to miss something .
Why do you need notes anyway ?
Unless you 're talking about some insane 500 level class at MIT you are n't probably learning anything that A .
) has n't been tought for several years B .
) is in the text book C. ) is on the internet somewhere.Anyway , learning is really all about repetition and it takes repeating something for approximately 21 days ( not every day but repetition dispersed along that time period ) to cement something in your brain .
So here 's the most effective strategy I know of : 1 .
Read the text book , even if it 's boring and even if you do n't understand it , read it .
You can read without understanding .
This is just building a foundation for later when you have the a-ha moment.2 .
Go to lecure and do n't take notes .
Instead keep your eyes on the professor 's face the entire lecture .
You will be amazed how much more you remember.3 .
Do the homework , even if it 's repetitive and easy .
It will save you study time later .
Most courses use a spiral method where they reprise certain things throughout the course .
If you did n't get it enough the first time you 'll just fall deeper and deeper into a pit of dispair.4 .
Figure out the pattern your instructor uses to make test questions .
Do they come from the book ?
Do they come from other materials ?
Usually you 'll see some patterns and know what to study .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right, you shouldn't need to take notes if you have an effective instructor.
Tests shouldn't be on "trick questions" to make sure you were listening in class.
But you see a lot of students who don't take college life professionally and therefore the instructors had to respond and now here we are.I think lecture is best spent listening intently to every word your instructor says.
Note taking means you are not understanding, only listening for the next word to copy down.
This means it's much more likely to miss something.
Why do you need notes anyway?
Unless you're talking about some insane 500 level class at MIT you aren't probably learning anything that A.
) hasn't been tought for several years B.
) is in the text book C.) is on the internet somewhere.Anyway, learning is really all about repetition and it takes repeating something for approximately 21 days (not every day but repetition dispersed along that time period) to cement something in your brain.
So here's the most effective strategy I know of:1.
Read the text book, even if it's boring and even if you don't understand it, read it.
You can read without understanding.
This is just building a foundation for later when you have the a-ha moment.2.
Go to lecure and don't take notes.
Instead keep your eyes on the professor's face the entire lecture.
You will be amazed how much more you remember.3.
Do the homework, even if it's repetitive and easy.
It will save you study time later.
Most courses use a spiral method where they reprise certain things throughout the course.
If you didn't get it enough the first time you'll just fall deeper and deeper into a pit of dispair.4.
Figure out the pattern your instructor uses to make test questions.
Do they come from the book?
Do they come from other materials?
Usually you'll see some patterns and know what to study.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056312</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>ucblockhead</author>
	<datestamp>1265548380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the professor is just reading his slides, he's a shit professor and is wasting everyone's time.  You'd be better off just buying and reading the class notes.</p><p>If the professor is good, he's going to be adding a hell of a lot verbally to what he writes and projects.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the professor is just reading his slides , he 's a shit professor and is wasting everyone 's time .
You 'd be better off just buying and reading the class notes.If the professor is good , he 's going to be adding a hell of a lot verbally to what he writes and projects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the professor is just reading his slides, he's a shit professor and is wasting everyone's time.
You'd be better off just buying and reading the class notes.If the professor is good, he's going to be adding a hell of a lot verbally to what he writes and projects.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055118</id>
	<title>say cheese!</title>
	<author>Ephemeriis</author>
	<datestamp>1265539380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm no longer in class...  So I'm not taking notes from a professor's lecture...  But when we're having a meeting with clients or going over a new installation I'll usually take notes with my netbook.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>'[While taking notes on a laptop] every five minutes I found myself cursing at not being able to copy the diagram on the board.'</p></div><p>That's where the built-in camera on my netbook comes in handy.  It's pointed in the wrong direction, so I have to turn the netbook around or hold the page up in front of the camera or something...  But it's great for grabbing diagrams that I can't easily type in.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm no longer in class... So I 'm not taking notes from a professor 's lecture... But when we 're having a meeting with clients or going over a new installation I 'll usually take notes with my netbook .
' [ While taking notes on a laptop ] every five minutes I found myself cursing at not being able to copy the diagram on the board .
'That 's where the built-in camera on my netbook comes in handy .
It 's pointed in the wrong direction , so I have to turn the netbook around or hold the page up in front of the camera or something... But it 's great for grabbing diagrams that I ca n't easily type in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm no longer in class...  So I'm not taking notes from a professor's lecture...  But when we're having a meeting with clients or going over a new installation I'll usually take notes with my netbook.
'[While taking notes on a laptop] every five minutes I found myself cursing at not being able to copy the diagram on the board.
'That's where the built-in camera on my netbook comes in handy.
It's pointed in the wrong direction, so I have to turn the netbook around or hold the page up in front of the camera or something...  But it's great for grabbing diagrams that I can't easily type in.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31059984</id>
	<title>Re:At My University</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265640540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I learned my math and physics by copying down all the examples in class and then copying them while working on assignments and just plug in the assignment questions datapoints.</p><p>I don't really understand any of it but I don't actually have to, I have an ~$30,000 official piece of paper that says that I understand them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I learned my math and physics by copying down all the examples in class and then copying them while working on assignments and just plug in the assignment questions datapoints.I do n't really understand any of it but I do n't actually have to , I have an ~ $ 30,000 official piece of paper that says that I understand them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I learned my math and physics by copying down all the examples in class and then copying them while working on assignments and just plug in the assignment questions datapoints.I don't really understand any of it but I don't actually have to, I have an ~$30,000 official piece of paper that says that I understand them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055226</id>
	<title>paper and pen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265539920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I still use paper and pen.  I write faster by hand, though I am pretty fast on the machine, too.</p><p>But the most important reason I use paper and pen is error handling.  That is far easier by hand.  Machine writing has other advantages, but more with versioning, handling larger text passages, searching in texts, clean output and so on.</p><p>I have no method yet to automatically transfer my handwritten data into the machine.  But this is a one time task, so time doesn't matter that much.</p><p>cb</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I still use paper and pen .
I write faster by hand , though I am pretty fast on the machine , too.But the most important reason I use paper and pen is error handling .
That is far easier by hand .
Machine writing has other advantages , but more with versioning , handling larger text passages , searching in texts , clean output and so on.I have no method yet to automatically transfer my handwritten data into the machine .
But this is a one time task , so time does n't matter that much.cb</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still use paper and pen.
I write faster by hand, though I am pretty fast on the machine, too.But the most important reason I use paper and pen is error handling.
That is far easier by hand.
Machine writing has other advantages, but more with versioning, handling larger text passages, searching in texts, clean output and so on.I have no method yet to automatically transfer my handwritten data into the machine.
But this is a one time task, so time doesn't matter that much.cb</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054540</id>
	<title>Taking notes is still much more effective.</title>
	<author>Tamran</author>
	<datestamp>1265535480000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I personally type faster than I hand-write, but those darn diagrams mess me right up and stops me cold. I doubt using any word processing will ever replace pen and paper for note taking or brainstorming.</p><p>When a good tablet (cost effective that is) comes out that let's you "sketch" and "diagram" as well as type easily, then it could happen.  In that sense, we'll just be talking about electronic paper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I personally type faster than I hand-write , but those darn diagrams mess me right up and stops me cold .
I doubt using any word processing will ever replace pen and paper for note taking or brainstorming.When a good tablet ( cost effective that is ) comes out that let 's you " sketch " and " diagram " as well as type easily , then it could happen .
In that sense , we 'll just be talking about electronic paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I personally type faster than I hand-write, but those darn diagrams mess me right up and stops me cold.
I doubt using any word processing will ever replace pen and paper for note taking or brainstorming.When a good tablet (cost effective that is) comes out that let's you "sketch" and "diagram" as well as type easily, then it could happen.
In that sense, we'll just be talking about electronic paper.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31059058</id>
	<title>Pen and Notebook</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265624100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have not been a student in a classroom for 14 years now, but I am a student of life, and I keep notes on just about everything.  My methods are perpetually developing.</p><p>Here are some ideas:</p><p>Pen and notebook survive time.  Yes, somewhere in my archives, I can find a zip file containing a zip file containing a zip file containing some records that I made when I was 20 years old;  But they are functionally inaccessible.  Contrast my notebooks from when I was 8 or 9 years old, in which I can see everything instantly.  What I am saying is that pen and paper have a deeper longevity than computer files, despite the frequent argument to the opposite.  I can find hardly anything I wrote before I was 20, and only a little of what I wrote before I was 27 -- I imagine it will be the resurrection before I ever see them again.</p><p>Tablet PCs are still incredibly clunky.  The pixels are too big, and zooming and resizing things is sheer nonsense.  Latency is still a killer; those milliseconds really frustrate the flow of thought.  The combination of high latency and large pixels force people to write large.</p><p>A crucial target of attention is missed:  What marks do you make?  I keep two tracks:  A historical journal -- the lecture notes as they are spoken, -- and an organization of ideas.  It is the organization of ideas that is most important.  The organization of ideas comes from your musings, your questions, your discoveries.  Don't write sequentially (as in the historical journal;)  Rather, space notes throughout a blank book, and attach things near related things.  Let the logic of the subject show itself to you.</p><p>Drawings are crucial.  No drawings, schematics, pictures, sketches, charts = no notes, in my book.</p><p>Post-processing is basically evil;  It is to be kept to an absolute minimum.  I cannot understand the logic of spending even 20 minutes composing pictures into documents.</p><p>Get it right the first time.  Editing is bad.  This can only be learned by practice and experimentation, but it is worth it.</p><p>At 15-20 years old, you don't know anything at all about taking good notes;  But if you stop trying to use a computer, and use a pen and paper, you can learn much more quickly.  Play with line, positioning, and sketch.  Get yourself a four-color gel pen.  Teach yourself how to write block letters quickly.  Get to the kernel of ideas in both written and graphic form.</p><p>Number your pages, and mark out an index (or indexes) in the back of the book.  But definitely number your pages.  An index of people (contact info, email, page numbers,) and an index of book recommendations can be very helpful.  You can also add maps of time.</p><p>Revisit and write around older notes -- don't just keep appending, appending, appending;  Rather, treat it more like a computer program you are writing, where you are continuously working and reworking what has come before, as well as adding the genuinely new.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have not been a student in a classroom for 14 years now , but I am a student of life , and I keep notes on just about everything .
My methods are perpetually developing.Here are some ideas : Pen and notebook survive time .
Yes , somewhere in my archives , I can find a zip file containing a zip file containing a zip file containing some records that I made when I was 20 years old ; But they are functionally inaccessible .
Contrast my notebooks from when I was 8 or 9 years old , in which I can see everything instantly .
What I am saying is that pen and paper have a deeper longevity than computer files , despite the frequent argument to the opposite .
I can find hardly anything I wrote before I was 20 , and only a little of what I wrote before I was 27 -- I imagine it will be the resurrection before I ever see them again.Tablet PCs are still incredibly clunky .
The pixels are too big , and zooming and resizing things is sheer nonsense .
Latency is still a killer ; those milliseconds really frustrate the flow of thought .
The combination of high latency and large pixels force people to write large.A crucial target of attention is missed : What marks do you make ?
I keep two tracks : A historical journal -- the lecture notes as they are spoken , -- and an organization of ideas .
It is the organization of ideas that is most important .
The organization of ideas comes from your musings , your questions , your discoveries .
Do n't write sequentially ( as in the historical journal ; ) Rather , space notes throughout a blank book , and attach things near related things .
Let the logic of the subject show itself to you.Drawings are crucial .
No drawings , schematics , pictures , sketches , charts = no notes , in my book.Post-processing is basically evil ; It is to be kept to an absolute minimum .
I can not understand the logic of spending even 20 minutes composing pictures into documents.Get it right the first time .
Editing is bad .
This can only be learned by practice and experimentation , but it is worth it.At 15-20 years old , you do n't know anything at all about taking good notes ; But if you stop trying to use a computer , and use a pen and paper , you can learn much more quickly .
Play with line , positioning , and sketch .
Get yourself a four-color gel pen .
Teach yourself how to write block letters quickly .
Get to the kernel of ideas in both written and graphic form.Number your pages , and mark out an index ( or indexes ) in the back of the book .
But definitely number your pages .
An index of people ( contact info , email , page numbers , ) and an index of book recommendations can be very helpful .
You can also add maps of time.Revisit and write around older notes -- do n't just keep appending , appending , appending ; Rather , treat it more like a computer program you are writing , where you are continuously working and reworking what has come before , as well as adding the genuinely new .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have not been a student in a classroom for 14 years now, but I am a student of life, and I keep notes on just about everything.
My methods are perpetually developing.Here are some ideas:Pen and notebook survive time.
Yes, somewhere in my archives, I can find a zip file containing a zip file containing a zip file containing some records that I made when I was 20 years old;  But they are functionally inaccessible.
Contrast my notebooks from when I was 8 or 9 years old, in which I can see everything instantly.
What I am saying is that pen and paper have a deeper longevity than computer files, despite the frequent argument to the opposite.
I can find hardly anything I wrote before I was 20, and only a little of what I wrote before I was 27 -- I imagine it will be the resurrection before I ever see them again.Tablet PCs are still incredibly clunky.
The pixels are too big, and zooming and resizing things is sheer nonsense.
Latency is still a killer; those milliseconds really frustrate the flow of thought.
The combination of high latency and large pixels force people to write large.A crucial target of attention is missed:  What marks do you make?
I keep two tracks:  A historical journal -- the lecture notes as they are spoken, -- and an organization of ideas.
It is the organization of ideas that is most important.
The organization of ideas comes from your musings, your questions, your discoveries.
Don't write sequentially (as in the historical journal;)  Rather, space notes throughout a blank book, and attach things near related things.
Let the logic of the subject show itself to you.Drawings are crucial.
No drawings, schematics, pictures, sketches, charts = no notes, in my book.Post-processing is basically evil;  It is to be kept to an absolute minimum.
I cannot understand the logic of spending even 20 minutes composing pictures into documents.Get it right the first time.
Editing is bad.
This can only be learned by practice and experimentation, but it is worth it.At 15-20 years old, you don't know anything at all about taking good notes;  But if you stop trying to use a computer, and use a pen and paper, you can learn much more quickly.
Play with line, positioning, and sketch.
Get yourself a four-color gel pen.
Teach yourself how to write block letters quickly.
Get to the kernel of ideas in both written and graphic form.Number your pages, and mark out an index (or indexes) in the back of the book.
But definitely number your pages.
An index of people (contact info, email, page numbers,) and an index of book recommendations can be very helpful.
You can also add maps of time.Revisit and write around older notes -- don't just keep appending, appending, appending;  Rather, treat it more like a computer program you are writing, where you are continuously working and reworking what has come before, as well as adding the genuinely new.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31071112</id>
	<title>Livescribe anyone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265725980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've just started using the Livescribe Pulse for note taking and recording meetings, vendor presentations, etc.<br>The evaluation version of the text conversion SW has some difficulty with my scribble so I won't buy it but the notes in the Livescribe desktop app are all searchable and of course diagrams are all there too.  I can point at a word or diagram and listen to the audio from that period, add further notes while listening to the audio, add bookmarks too.<br>The notepads use the Anoto paper and cost about &pound;1 more than a similar non-smart note-book so they don't break the bank.<br>Only a few weeks yet but seems functional and worth the money.<br>I can see a definite benefit for my kids when they go to college or uni.</p><p>The UK distributors were rubbish but Amazon is (as always) your best friend (c;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've just started using the Livescribe Pulse for note taking and recording meetings , vendor presentations , etc.The evaluation version of the text conversion SW has some difficulty with my scribble so I wo n't buy it but the notes in the Livescribe desktop app are all searchable and of course diagrams are all there too .
I can point at a word or diagram and listen to the audio from that period , add further notes while listening to the audio , add bookmarks too.The notepads use the Anoto paper and cost about   1 more than a similar non-smart note-book so they do n't break the bank.Only a few weeks yet but seems functional and worth the money.I can see a definite benefit for my kids when they go to college or uni.The UK distributors were rubbish but Amazon is ( as always ) your best friend ( c ;</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've just started using the Livescribe Pulse for note taking and recording meetings, vendor presentations, etc.The evaluation version of the text conversion SW has some difficulty with my scribble so I won't buy it but the notes in the Livescribe desktop app are all searchable and of course diagrams are all there too.
I can point at a word or diagram and listen to the audio from that period, add further notes while listening to the audio, add bookmarks too.The notepads use the Anoto paper and cost about £1 more than a similar non-smart note-book so they don't break the bank.Only a few weeks yet but seems functional and worth the money.I can see a definite benefit for my kids when they go to college or uni.The UK distributors were rubbish but Amazon is (as always) your best friend (c;</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054902</id>
	<title>One word: Livescribe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265538000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With Livescribe you get the best of both worlds.  I'm using one now after college, but oh how I wish this came out back then!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With Livescribe you get the best of both worlds .
I 'm using one now after college , but oh how I wish this came out back then !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With Livescribe you get the best of both worlds.
I'm using one now after college, but oh how I wish this came out back then!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057888</id>
	<title>Re:Notebooks + paper are the key</title>
	<author>Paradigm\_Complex</author>
	<datestamp>1265563560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I use a similar system to yours.  I'd like to add that this works wonderfully in conjunction with a good text editor, such as vim (plus vim-latexsuite) or emacs.  There's many, many ways those can be used to save time when creating notes.  If done properly, I've found I'm *much* faster then anyone I've seen on paper.<br> <br>

For example, in LaTeX you can break mathematical equations onto multiple lines without changing the compiled product.  Hence, for things you'd type over and over, you can put these on their own lines and just type the first few characters followed by a ^X^L in vim to finish the line.  I just completed the section on infinite series in Calculus 3, and "\sum\limits\_{n=0}^\infty" came up a lot, but was only typed once.  You can also set up abbreviations (so that \ss would expand into what I have above) or mappings (\ss would again work, as would other things), or take advantage of multiple copy/paste buffers...<br> <br>

If there's any pattern in the notes being generated, it can be exploited when typed (with a decent editor).  Not so with paper and pen/pencil. Plus readability, easy backups, easy to reorganize, etc.  The only fault is difficulty with non-text, where you have to pull out the paper.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use a similar system to yours .
I 'd like to add that this works wonderfully in conjunction with a good text editor , such as vim ( plus vim-latexsuite ) or emacs .
There 's many , many ways those can be used to save time when creating notes .
If done properly , I 've found I 'm * much * faster then anyone I 've seen on paper .
For example , in LaTeX you can break mathematical equations onto multiple lines without changing the compiled product .
Hence , for things you 'd type over and over , you can put these on their own lines and just type the first few characters followed by a ^ X ^ L in vim to finish the line .
I just completed the section on infinite series in Calculus 3 , and " \ sum \ limits \ _ { n = 0 } ^ \ infty " came up a lot , but was only typed once .
You can also set up abbreviations ( so that \ ss would expand into what I have above ) or mappings ( \ ss would again work , as would other things ) , or take advantage of multiple copy/paste buffers.. . If there 's any pattern in the notes being generated , it can be exploited when typed ( with a decent editor ) .
Not so with paper and pen/pencil .
Plus readability , easy backups , easy to reorganize , etc .
The only fault is difficulty with non-text , where you have to pull out the paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use a similar system to yours.
I'd like to add that this works wonderfully in conjunction with a good text editor, such as vim (plus vim-latexsuite) or emacs.
There's many, many ways those can be used to save time when creating notes.
If done properly, I've found I'm *much* faster then anyone I've seen on paper.
For example, in LaTeX you can break mathematical equations onto multiple lines without changing the compiled product.
Hence, for things you'd type over and over, you can put these on their own lines and just type the first few characters followed by a ^X^L in vim to finish the line.
I just completed the section on infinite series in Calculus 3, and "\sum\limits\_{n=0}^\infty" came up a lot, but was only typed once.
You can also set up abbreviations (so that \ss would expand into what I have above) or mappings (\ss would again work, as would other things), or take advantage of multiple copy/paste buffers... 

If there's any pattern in the notes being generated, it can be exploited when typed (with a decent editor).
Not so with paper and pen/pencil.
Plus readability, easy backups, easy to reorganize, etc.
The only fault is difficulty with non-text, where you have to pull out the paper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31060620</id>
	<title>Math notes are tricky</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265645640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a CS major myself I run into the challenge of writing what is on the board down on my computer. I am starting to learn latex the only real way to take math notes. Auctex, a emacs plugin is a great way to see what latex formulas you write.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a CS major myself I run into the challenge of writing what is on the board down on my computer .
I am starting to learn latex the only real way to take math notes .
Auctex , a emacs plugin is a great way to see what latex formulas you write .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a CS major myself I run into the challenge of writing what is on the board down on my computer.
I am starting to learn latex the only real way to take math notes.
Auctex, a emacs plugin is a great way to see what latex formulas you write.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056428</id>
	<title>Re:Notes</title>
	<author>rhsanborn</author>
	<datestamp>1265549700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>My handwriting is not great, and I have found that one note is very good with handwriting recognition, and this has been with limited use, so no need to make a large time investment in adjusting your handwriting style to meet the needs of the handwriting software.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My handwriting is not great , and I have found that one note is very good with handwriting recognition , and this has been with limited use , so no need to make a large time investment in adjusting your handwriting style to meet the needs of the handwriting software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My handwriting is not great, and I have found that one note is very good with handwriting recognition, and this has been with limited use, so no need to make a large time investment in adjusting your handwriting style to meet the needs of the handwriting software.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054564</id>
	<title>ipad... huh?</title>
	<author>iamhassi</author>
	<datestamp>1265535660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"But what does iPad have to do with this? "</i>
<br> <br>
I agree:  Why was the iPad even mentioned?  It's not a tablet PC, there is no stylus to write on the screen with.  The closest equivalent to the iPad is the iPod Touch and I can't imagine anyone taking notes with an iPod touch.
<br> <br>
Why were Tablet PCs left out?  <a href="hhttp:wwwyoutubecomwatchvnikLEIdBzqgfeaturerelated" title="hhttp">Here's a great video review of how to take notes with graphs on a tablet PC.</a> [hhttp]  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-x2h4G66aM&amp;feature=related" title="youtube.com">Here's another example</a> [youtube.com]
<br> <br>
Tablets are not expensive either, you can get a nice Pentium M 1.6ghz <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=390151250047" title="ebay.com">for under $300</a> [ebay.com], <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=290396757553" title="ebay.com">some even sell for $150</a> [ebay.com].  I know everyone thinks they need a 3ghz quad core, but the Pentium M is plenty to run office and watch youtube videos.
<br> <br>
Using laptops in class is so 2000.  Tablet PCs are the only way to go for taking notes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" But what does iPad have to do with this ?
" I agree : Why was the iPad even mentioned ?
It 's not a tablet PC , there is no stylus to write on the screen with .
The closest equivalent to the iPad is the iPod Touch and I ca n't imagine anyone taking notes with an iPod touch .
Why were Tablet PCs left out ?
Here 's a great video review of how to take notes with graphs on a tablet PC .
[ hhttp ] Here 's another example [ youtube.com ] Tablets are not expensive either , you can get a nice Pentium M 1.6ghz for under $ 300 [ ebay.com ] , some even sell for $ 150 [ ebay.com ] .
I know everyone thinks they need a 3ghz quad core , but the Pentium M is plenty to run office and watch youtube videos .
Using laptops in class is so 2000 .
Tablet PCs are the only way to go for taking notes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"But what does iPad have to do with this?
"
 
I agree:  Why was the iPad even mentioned?
It's not a tablet PC, there is no stylus to write on the screen with.
The closest equivalent to the iPad is the iPod Touch and I can't imagine anyone taking notes with an iPod touch.
Why were Tablet PCs left out?
Here's a great video review of how to take notes with graphs on a tablet PC.
[hhttp]  Here's another example [youtube.com]
 
Tablets are not expensive either, you can get a nice Pentium M 1.6ghz for under $300 [ebay.com], some even sell for $150 [ebay.com].
I know everyone thinks they need a 3ghz quad core, but the Pentium M is plenty to run office and watch youtube videos.
Using laptops in class is so 2000.
Tablet PCs are the only way to go for taking notes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055094</id>
	<title>Best of both worlds</title>
	<author>Jorl17</author>
	<datestamp>1265539320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why use either primarly? Merge them into different tasks.<br>
"I found myself cursing at not being able to copy the diagram on the board"<br>
That's the perfect example! It's much easier to copy that by hand, and then copy it to the PC later, at home. This also promotes revision of the class-work, possibly increasing your productivity.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why use either primarly ?
Merge them into different tasks .
" I found myself cursing at not being able to copy the diagram on the board " That 's the perfect example !
It 's much easier to copy that by hand , and then copy it to the PC later , at home .
This also promotes revision of the class-work , possibly increasing your productivity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why use either primarly?
Merge them into different tasks.
"I found myself cursing at not being able to copy the diagram on the board"
That's the perfect example!
It's much easier to copy that by hand, and then copy it to the PC later, at home.
This also promotes revision of the class-work, possibly increasing your productivity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055724</id>
	<title>Pen Still Mightier Than the Laptop For Notetaking</title>
	<author>nighthawk3291</author>
	<datestamp>1265543340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hi theodp

Try a digital pen. It writes on paper (specially printed but you can do that yourself). It uses a ball point refill and has a tiny built in camera which records all of your pen strokes.

You can then tick a pre-programmed box on the paper and that page is emailed using the bluetooth on your phone.

Simple.

If you need more help then please let me know. (UK)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi theodp Try a digital pen .
It writes on paper ( specially printed but you can do that yourself ) .
It uses a ball point refill and has a tiny built in camera which records all of your pen strokes .
You can then tick a pre-programmed box on the paper and that page is emailed using the bluetooth on your phone .
Simple . If you need more help then please let me know .
( UK )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi theodp

Try a digital pen.
It writes on paper (specially printed but you can do that yourself).
It uses a ball point refill and has a tiny built in camera which records all of your pen strokes.
You can then tick a pre-programmed box on the paper and that page is emailed using the bluetooth on your phone.
Simple.

If you need more help then please let me know.
(UK)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055792</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>nmb3000</author>
	<datestamp>1265543820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>1. Read the text book, even if it's boring and even if you don't understand it, read it. You can read without understanding.</i></p><p>I strongly disagree with this. If you don't understand what you are reading then you won't be forming any associations or connections in your mind with regards to the material.  Without at least some basic framework of understanding the information in the reading will simply not "stick" and you'll have completely forgotten it in a few hours.</p><p><i>2. Go to lecure and don't take notes. Instead keep your eyes on the professor's face the entire lecture. You will be amazed how much more you remember.</i></p><p>For some classes this might work but for most others it doesn't.  In my linear algebra class I took a plethora of notes because of how densely packed the lectures were.  From proofs to examples to definitions and ideas, I wrote it all down.  In addition to providing a good foundation for doing the homework and studying for tests, by committing it to paper I was forced to see/hear the information, internalize it, and then redirect it back onto paper.  Usually what I wrote was a condensed or summarized version often annotated with simple drawings or comments to indicate the connection with previous material.  If I had just sat there staring at the professor I wouldn't have remembered anything.</p><p><i>3. Do the homework, even if it's repetitive and easy. It will save you study time later. </i></p><p>Agreed.  I find it funny how many people go through courses like linear algebra or physics and expect to do well without doing any of the homework.  That said, I don't care for courses where you don't have graded homework (or even hand it in) because it gives you zero feedback on your progress.  There's no reason every course can't spare 10-20\% of the overall grade to go towards homework credit.  Even more important though, homework should be graded <b>clearly</b> and returned <b>promptly</b>.  I get really pissed off after spending some 3-4 hours on an assignment and then not getting it back until 3 weeks later with nothing but a red checkmark at the top of the page.</p><p><i>4. Figure out the pattern your instructor uses to make test questions.</i></p><p>That does help, but it won't do much for you on the first exam.  This also treads a little too close to "studying to get a good grade" instead of "studying to understand the material".  I realize that getting good grades are important (even <i>too</i> important in many cases), but the whole point of being in school should be to learn.  If you spend more time trying to figure out tricks to subvert an exam than you spend trying to learn you've already lost something significant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Read the text book , even if it 's boring and even if you do n't understand it , read it .
You can read without understanding.I strongly disagree with this .
If you do n't understand what you are reading then you wo n't be forming any associations or connections in your mind with regards to the material .
Without at least some basic framework of understanding the information in the reading will simply not " stick " and you 'll have completely forgotten it in a few hours.2 .
Go to lecure and do n't take notes .
Instead keep your eyes on the professor 's face the entire lecture .
You will be amazed how much more you remember.For some classes this might work but for most others it does n't .
In my linear algebra class I took a plethora of notes because of how densely packed the lectures were .
From proofs to examples to definitions and ideas , I wrote it all down .
In addition to providing a good foundation for doing the homework and studying for tests , by committing it to paper I was forced to see/hear the information , internalize it , and then redirect it back onto paper .
Usually what I wrote was a condensed or summarized version often annotated with simple drawings or comments to indicate the connection with previous material .
If I had just sat there staring at the professor I would n't have remembered anything.3 .
Do the homework , even if it 's repetitive and easy .
It will save you study time later .
Agreed. I find it funny how many people go through courses like linear algebra or physics and expect to do well without doing any of the homework .
That said , I do n't care for courses where you do n't have graded homework ( or even hand it in ) because it gives you zero feedback on your progress .
There 's no reason every course ca n't spare 10-20 \ % of the overall grade to go towards homework credit .
Even more important though , homework should be graded clearly and returned promptly .
I get really pissed off after spending some 3-4 hours on an assignment and then not getting it back until 3 weeks later with nothing but a red checkmark at the top of the page.4 .
Figure out the pattern your instructor uses to make test questions.That does help , but it wo n't do much for you on the first exam .
This also treads a little too close to " studying to get a good grade " instead of " studying to understand the material " .
I realize that getting good grades are important ( even too important in many cases ) , but the whole point of being in school should be to learn .
If you spend more time trying to figure out tricks to subvert an exam than you spend trying to learn you 've already lost something significant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Read the text book, even if it's boring and even if you don't understand it, read it.
You can read without understanding.I strongly disagree with this.
If you don't understand what you are reading then you won't be forming any associations or connections in your mind with regards to the material.
Without at least some basic framework of understanding the information in the reading will simply not "stick" and you'll have completely forgotten it in a few hours.2.
Go to lecure and don't take notes.
Instead keep your eyes on the professor's face the entire lecture.
You will be amazed how much more you remember.For some classes this might work but for most others it doesn't.
In my linear algebra class I took a plethora of notes because of how densely packed the lectures were.
From proofs to examples to definitions and ideas, I wrote it all down.
In addition to providing a good foundation for doing the homework and studying for tests, by committing it to paper I was forced to see/hear the information, internalize it, and then redirect it back onto paper.
Usually what I wrote was a condensed or summarized version often annotated with simple drawings or comments to indicate the connection with previous material.
If I had just sat there staring at the professor I wouldn't have remembered anything.3.
Do the homework, even if it's repetitive and easy.
It will save you study time later.
Agreed.  I find it funny how many people go through courses like linear algebra or physics and expect to do well without doing any of the homework.
That said, I don't care for courses where you don't have graded homework (or even hand it in) because it gives you zero feedback on your progress.
There's no reason every course can't spare 10-20\% of the overall grade to go towards homework credit.
Even more important though, homework should be graded clearly and returned promptly.
I get really pissed off after spending some 3-4 hours on an assignment and then not getting it back until 3 weeks later with nothing but a red checkmark at the top of the page.4.
Figure out the pattern your instructor uses to make test questions.That does help, but it won't do much for you on the first exam.
This also treads a little too close to "studying to get a good grade" instead of "studying to understand the material".
I realize that getting good grades are important (even too important in many cases), but the whole point of being in school should be to learn.
If you spend more time trying to figure out tricks to subvert an exam than you spend trying to learn you've already lost something significant.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056256</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take notes during lectures</title>
	<author>jittles</author>
	<datestamp>1265547780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I suppose you've never had a teacher that was so horribly disorganized you never knew what the teacher was going to discuss?  Also, did you stop to consider that maybe they are taking notes on what the teacher talks about so they know hwat to expect on the test?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I suppose you 've never had a teacher that was so horribly disorganized you never knew what the teacher was going to discuss ?
Also , did you stop to consider that maybe they are taking notes on what the teacher talks about so they know hwat to expect on the test ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suppose you've never had a teacher that was so horribly disorganized you never knew what the teacher was going to discuss?
Also, did you stop to consider that maybe they are taking notes on what the teacher talks about so they know hwat to expect on the test?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054750</id>
	<title>Slides have all figures mostly</title>
	<author>parallel\_prankster</author>
	<datestamp>1265536860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In my college and grad school classes I did not have to draw diagrams a lot since most of them were on the slides. Using my tablet,I was able to draw a few lines on top of the slides for future reference or to make things clearer. Also, it had the option of typing stuff in it below the slide if I was lagging since I can still type faster than I write on my tablet. But I am surprised that you have to draw a lot.
In my classrooms ( I have been in college + gradschool for 11 years ) I noticed people switching from pen and paper to laptops for taking notes and then some students started getting tablet PCs. The fraction of people with tablets to total ( regular laptops + tablets ) in classes that I have been to has been mostly around 0.1 though.
 I  think there should be a way to take pics like a camera on a laptop for taking pics of whatever is on the white board and then merging it with my notes. Ofcourse, with flash in it I dont know how much the professor could get annoyed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In my college and grad school classes I did not have to draw diagrams a lot since most of them were on the slides .
Using my tablet,I was able to draw a few lines on top of the slides for future reference or to make things clearer .
Also , it had the option of typing stuff in it below the slide if I was lagging since I can still type faster than I write on my tablet .
But I am surprised that you have to draw a lot .
In my classrooms ( I have been in college + gradschool for 11 years ) I noticed people switching from pen and paper to laptops for taking notes and then some students started getting tablet PCs .
The fraction of people with tablets to total ( regular laptops + tablets ) in classes that I have been to has been mostly around 0.1 though .
I think there should be a way to take pics like a camera on a laptop for taking pics of whatever is on the white board and then merging it with my notes .
Ofcourse , with flash in it I dont know how much the professor could get annoyed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my college and grad school classes I did not have to draw diagrams a lot since most of them were on the slides.
Using my tablet,I was able to draw a few lines on top of the slides for future reference or to make things clearer.
Also, it had the option of typing stuff in it below the slide if I was lagging since I can still type faster than I write on my tablet.
But I am surprised that you have to draw a lot.
In my classrooms ( I have been in college + gradschool for 11 years ) I noticed people switching from pen and paper to laptops for taking notes and then some students started getting tablet PCs.
The fraction of people with tablets to total ( regular laptops + tablets ) in classes that I have been to has been mostly around 0.1 though.
I  think there should be a way to take pics like a camera on a laptop for taking pics of whatever is on the white board and then merging it with my notes.
Ofcourse, with flash in it I dont know how much the professor could get annoyed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054936</id>
	<title>Pen and paper</title>
	<author>Target Practice</author>
	<datestamp>1265538240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I tend to use a pen and paper, unless the meeting/lecture is a hands-on course involving software. My reasoning goes like this: I only want a note taker/diagram editor, so given the weight and the probability of failure for the device, I choose a couple of pens and some paper over a computer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I tend to use a pen and paper , unless the meeting/lecture is a hands-on course involving software .
My reasoning goes like this : I only want a note taker/diagram editor , so given the weight and the probability of failure for the device , I choose a couple of pens and some paper over a computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tend to use a pen and paper, unless the meeting/lecture is a hands-on course involving software.
My reasoning goes like this: I only want a note taker/diagram editor, so given the weight and the probability of failure for the device, I choose a couple of pens and some paper over a computer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056780</id>
	<title>Re:At Law School...</title>
	<author>Mr. Freeman</author>
	<datestamp>1265552880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem is that in any good college the lecture isn't identical to the book.  You aren't paying a shitload of money to listen to someone read the textbook to you.  Thus, there's a good deal of information that you need to take down.  Comprehension can take a good deal of time, time you don't have in the middle of a lecture.  Thus, it's important to get the information onto the paper and analyze it that night when you have time to stop and think.<br><br>Most of my classes have a book, but it's always just for some reference and to learn the simple things before class.  They cover the difficult stuff, but it's orders of magnitude easier to understand the material if you just take notes and read them later than to try learning by reading the book.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is that in any good college the lecture is n't identical to the book .
You are n't paying a shitload of money to listen to someone read the textbook to you .
Thus , there 's a good deal of information that you need to take down .
Comprehension can take a good deal of time , time you do n't have in the middle of a lecture .
Thus , it 's important to get the information onto the paper and analyze it that night when you have time to stop and think.Most of my classes have a book , but it 's always just for some reference and to learn the simple things before class .
They cover the difficult stuff , but it 's orders of magnitude easier to understand the material if you just take notes and read them later than to try learning by reading the book .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is that in any good college the lecture isn't identical to the book.
You aren't paying a shitload of money to listen to someone read the textbook to you.
Thus, there's a good deal of information that you need to take down.
Comprehension can take a good deal of time, time you don't have in the middle of a lecture.
Thus, it's important to get the information onto the paper and analyze it that night when you have time to stop and think.Most of my classes have a book, but it's always just for some reference and to learn the simple things before class.
They cover the difficult stuff, but it's orders of magnitude easier to understand the material if you just take notes and read them later than to try learning by reading the book.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057906</id>
	<title>The Tablet Experiment at Virginia Tech</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265563800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Virginia Tech's engineering dept. has made tablets mandatory for all engineering students for at least the last two years.</p><p>Yet they only have one course where having the tablet in class is mandatory for the Mechanical Engineers, and it is offered in the spring.</p><p>Every May the Blacksburg Craigslist is flooded with Tablet PC's for sale as the ME students get done with that class and can't wait to get rid of the damn things.</p><p>Taking notes is easy.. you can write on a tablet with a stylus just like writing on paper, there is no physical margin, mistakes are erased much faster, and colored pens make diagrams easier to digest.</p><p>The problem is when you want to review anything or study for a test. Scroll up scroll up scroll up scroll up, change tab, scroll down scroll down scroll down. It's a royal pain in the arse.</p><p>Want to study real quick in the cafeteria.. on the bus.. in the hall right before a big test? Good luck if all your notes are on the tablet; while everyone else can pull out a notebook and start casually flipping through it you have to go find an outlet, boot up, open OneNote, and start scrolling like a madman.</p><p>By the time you get to Junior or Senior year... nobody still has the damn things and the consensus among students is that it's a money making racket between Fujitsu and the University that they wish would die in a painful horrible fire.</p><p>And these are 18-24 year old students.. they aren't Luddites.. they just quickly come to terms with the simple fact that this tool does not work better than pencil and paper. While TabletPC's are more technologically advanced than pencil and paper.. for the job of taking notes, of which the main purpose is to study at a later time, it is a step BACKWARDS.</p><p>And even if you are in the overwhelming minority of students who want to use it for your whole academic career... the vast majority of the classrooms don't have any more outlets than the average room at home and the batteries on the damn things have a run-time of about 35 minutes after a year's use.</p><p>The Student Engineering Council throws a fit with the Dean of Engineering over the tablets every semester and every semester they get told to go pound sand.</p><p>The only good thing about them is it provides an expensive lesson to every ME student who goes through VT... adopting a high tech solution to a problem that doesn't exist just because the technology is there does nothing but waste money and time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Virginia Tech 's engineering dept .
has made tablets mandatory for all engineering students for at least the last two years.Yet they only have one course where having the tablet in class is mandatory for the Mechanical Engineers , and it is offered in the spring.Every May the Blacksburg Craigslist is flooded with Tablet PC 's for sale as the ME students get done with that class and ca n't wait to get rid of the damn things.Taking notes is easy.. you can write on a tablet with a stylus just like writing on paper , there is no physical margin , mistakes are erased much faster , and colored pens make diagrams easier to digest.The problem is when you want to review anything or study for a test .
Scroll up scroll up scroll up scroll up , change tab , scroll down scroll down scroll down .
It 's a royal pain in the arse.Want to study real quick in the cafeteria.. on the bus.. in the hall right before a big test ?
Good luck if all your notes are on the tablet ; while everyone else can pull out a notebook and start casually flipping through it you have to go find an outlet , boot up , open OneNote , and start scrolling like a madman.By the time you get to Junior or Senior year... nobody still has the damn things and the consensus among students is that it 's a money making racket between Fujitsu and the University that they wish would die in a painful horrible fire.And these are 18-24 year old students.. they are n't Luddites.. they just quickly come to terms with the simple fact that this tool does not work better than pencil and paper .
While TabletPC 's are more technologically advanced than pencil and paper.. for the job of taking notes , of which the main purpose is to study at a later time , it is a step BACKWARDS.And even if you are in the overwhelming minority of students who want to use it for your whole academic career... the vast majority of the classrooms do n't have any more outlets than the average room at home and the batteries on the damn things have a run-time of about 35 minutes after a year 's use.The Student Engineering Council throws a fit with the Dean of Engineering over the tablets every semester and every semester they get told to go pound sand.The only good thing about them is it provides an expensive lesson to every ME student who goes through VT... adopting a high tech solution to a problem that does n't exist just because the technology is there does nothing but waste money and time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Virginia Tech's engineering dept.
has made tablets mandatory for all engineering students for at least the last two years.Yet they only have one course where having the tablet in class is mandatory for the Mechanical Engineers, and it is offered in the spring.Every May the Blacksburg Craigslist is flooded with Tablet PC's for sale as the ME students get done with that class and can't wait to get rid of the damn things.Taking notes is easy.. you can write on a tablet with a stylus just like writing on paper, there is no physical margin, mistakes are erased much faster, and colored pens make diagrams easier to digest.The problem is when you want to review anything or study for a test.
Scroll up scroll up scroll up scroll up, change tab, scroll down scroll down scroll down.
It's a royal pain in the arse.Want to study real quick in the cafeteria.. on the bus.. in the hall right before a big test?
Good luck if all your notes are on the tablet; while everyone else can pull out a notebook and start casually flipping through it you have to go find an outlet, boot up, open OneNote, and start scrolling like a madman.By the time you get to Junior or Senior year... nobody still has the damn things and the consensus among students is that it's a money making racket between Fujitsu and the University that they wish would die in a painful horrible fire.And these are 18-24 year old students.. they aren't Luddites.. they just quickly come to terms with the simple fact that this tool does not work better than pencil and paper.
While TabletPC's are more technologically advanced than pencil and paper.. for the job of taking notes, of which the main purpose is to study at a later time, it is a step BACKWARDS.And even if you are in the overwhelming minority of students who want to use it for your whole academic career... the vast majority of the classrooms don't have any more outlets than the average room at home and the batteries on the damn things have a run-time of about 35 minutes after a year's use.The Student Engineering Council throws a fit with the Dean of Engineering over the tablets every semester and every semester they get told to go pound sand.The only good thing about them is it provides an expensive lesson to every ME student who goes through VT... adopting a high tech solution to a problem that doesn't exist just because the technology is there does nothing but waste money and time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055882</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265544480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>we do this at our university. the point is, nobody comes to the lecture because *ahem* the are already on the web. you are forgetting about the incentive of actually owning the notes, instead of just copying them from the server.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>we do this at our university .
the point is , nobody comes to the lecture because * ahem * the are already on the web .
you are forgetting about the incentive of actually owning the notes , instead of just copying them from the server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>we do this at our university.
the point is, nobody comes to the lecture because *ahem* the are already on the web.
you are forgetting about the incentive of actually owning the notes, instead of just copying them from the server.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31060984</id>
	<title>...damn, my battery just died...</title>
	<author>proslack</author>
	<datestamp>1265647860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Dead battery during critical lecture.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dead battery during critical lecture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dead battery during critical lecture.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055400</id>
	<title>Hybrid is Best</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265541060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've tried both methods, but now I'm writing notes in class and re-writing / organizing them on my computer after class.  I can then print (or re-write if I feel like it) the well-organized notes.  In class, I use a numer of abbreviations, often making them up on the fly.  When I type them up I add the abbreviations to the text substitutions in snow leopard.  Oh and I either redraw the diagrams in a simple paint app or take a picture using my webcam.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've tried both methods , but now I 'm writing notes in class and re-writing / organizing them on my computer after class .
I can then print ( or re-write if I feel like it ) the well-organized notes .
In class , I use a numer of abbreviations , often making them up on the fly .
When I type them up I add the abbreviations to the text substitutions in snow leopard .
Oh and I either redraw the diagrams in a simple paint app or take a picture using my webcam .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've tried both methods, but now I'm writing notes in class and re-writing / organizing them on my computer after class.
I can then print (or re-write if I feel like it) the well-organized notes.
In class, I use a numer of abbreviations, often making them up on the fly.
When I type them up I add the abbreviations to the text substitutions in snow leopard.
Oh and I either redraw the diagrams in a simple paint app or take a picture using my webcam.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054570</id>
	<title>Note-taking style varies with the lecture</title>
	<author>rxan</author>
	<datestamp>1265535660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was in engineering school so I always took notes with pen and paper. With the few arts courses I did take, I found huge advantages to taking notes with a computer. The engineering lectures were mostly linear and had a lot equations and diagrams to copy. The arts lectures were more non-linear. I cursed every time I had to write another point in a section we covered 10 minutes ago.</p><p>Then there are the courses which are covered following power point slides. Some students had tablet PCs and were easily able to write notes to each slide. This was optimal for those courses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was in engineering school so I always took notes with pen and paper .
With the few arts courses I did take , I found huge advantages to taking notes with a computer .
The engineering lectures were mostly linear and had a lot equations and diagrams to copy .
The arts lectures were more non-linear .
I cursed every time I had to write another point in a section we covered 10 minutes ago.Then there are the courses which are covered following power point slides .
Some students had tablet PCs and were easily able to write notes to each slide .
This was optimal for those courses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was in engineering school so I always took notes with pen and paper.
With the few arts courses I did take, I found huge advantages to taking notes with a computer.
The engineering lectures were mostly linear and had a lot equations and diagrams to copy.
The arts lectures were more non-linear.
I cursed every time I had to write another point in a section we covered 10 minutes ago.Then there are the courses which are covered following power point slides.
Some students had tablet PCs and were easily able to write notes to each slide.
This was optimal for those courses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055438</id>
	<title>I prefer making handwritten notes because...</title>
	<author>Telephone Sanitizer</author>
	<datestamp>1265541300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I prefer making handwritten notes because I can write things out faster than I type; I add margin-notes, questions/issues to follow-up on and I make diagrams; I doodle during lulls; and most important: transcribing the notes to my computer gives me a second chance to go over it, thus increasing my absorption of the material by repetition.</p><p>My grades are consistently high.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I prefer making handwritten notes because I can write things out faster than I type ; I add margin-notes , questions/issues to follow-up on and I make diagrams ; I doodle during lulls ; and most important : transcribing the notes to my computer gives me a second chance to go over it , thus increasing my absorption of the material by repetition.My grades are consistently high .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I prefer making handwritten notes because I can write things out faster than I type; I add margin-notes, questions/issues to follow-up on and I make diagrams; I doodle during lulls; and most important: transcribing the notes to my computer gives me a second chance to go over it, thus increasing my absorption of the material by repetition.My grades are consistently high.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055902</id>
	<title>Laptops forbidden at Software Engineering classes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265544600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At my school, where Software Engineering is taught, the teachers won't start their lectures until everyone closes their laptops. This is because most people don't take notes with their laptops, but surf or game instead, which tends to also distract the people sitting in the rows behind them. Owning a laptop is mandatory though, because the school cannot provide enough computers for everyone.</p><p>That's why I'm still taking notes with pen and paper. But I can take notes much faster with a keyboard, although it's impossible to quickly copy a diagram. I've considered getting a tablet PC to solve this problem. I could type AND draw when I needed to.</p><p>Could of course scan in the notes at home, but that's too much work. Could buy a drawing tablet, but I'd have to carry it around with me, along with the laptop, books and printouts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At my school , where Software Engineering is taught , the teachers wo n't start their lectures until everyone closes their laptops .
This is because most people do n't take notes with their laptops , but surf or game instead , which tends to also distract the people sitting in the rows behind them .
Owning a laptop is mandatory though , because the school can not provide enough computers for everyone.That 's why I 'm still taking notes with pen and paper .
But I can take notes much faster with a keyboard , although it 's impossible to quickly copy a diagram .
I 've considered getting a tablet PC to solve this problem .
I could type AND draw when I needed to.Could of course scan in the notes at home , but that 's too much work .
Could buy a drawing tablet , but I 'd have to carry it around with me , along with the laptop , books and printouts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At my school, where Software Engineering is taught, the teachers won't start their lectures until everyone closes their laptops.
This is because most people don't take notes with their laptops, but surf or game instead, which tends to also distract the people sitting in the rows behind them.
Owning a laptop is mandatory though, because the school cannot provide enough computers for everyone.That's why I'm still taking notes with pen and paper.
But I can take notes much faster with a keyboard, although it's impossible to quickly copy a diagram.
I've considered getting a tablet PC to solve this problem.
I could type AND draw when I needed to.Could of course scan in the notes at home, but that's too much work.
Could buy a drawing tablet, but I'd have to carry it around with me, along with the laptop, books and printouts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31091070</id>
	<title>Get a Pulse Smartpen.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265020320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pulse Smartpen! All the joys of paper. Automatically digitized. Records audio and matches it to what is written. A life saver.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pulse Smartpen !
All the joys of paper .
Automatically digitized .
Records audio and matches it to what is written .
A life saver .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pulse Smartpen!
All the joys of paper.
Automatically digitized.
Records audio and matches it to what is written.
A life saver.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055032</id>
	<title>Err.</title>
	<author>Akira Kogami</author>
	<datestamp>1265538960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"CS student continues to take class notes with pen and paper while her fellow students"
"CS student<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... her<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..."
I call bullshit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" CS student continues to take class notes with pen and paper while her fellow students " " CS student ... her ... " I call bullshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"CS student continues to take class notes with pen and paper while her fellow students"
"CS student ... her ..."
I call bullshit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31060360</id>
	<title>Both?</title>
	<author>tarlss</author>
	<datestamp>1265643360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Am I the only one that used both methods to take notes?

I had a notebook for writing diagrams in, and used my computer. Whenever a diagram came up I'd switch to the notebook, and write in my computer "See Diagram 4b" or something like that.
Semmed to work well enough.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one that used both methods to take notes ?
I had a notebook for writing diagrams in , and used my computer .
Whenever a diagram came up I 'd switch to the notebook , and write in my computer " See Diagram 4b " or something like that .
Semmed to work well enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one that used both methods to take notes?
I had a notebook for writing diagrams in, and used my computer.
Whenever a diagram came up I'd switch to the notebook, and write in my computer "See Diagram 4b" or something like that.
Semmed to work well enough.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056366</id>
	<title>Dragon Naturally Speaking 10.1 for notes!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265549100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and pens ( color coded ) for diagrams &amp; condensations of notes.<br>( I use blue for future/contact-info, black for past/fact, red for alert/wrong/date/page# and green for good/yay! )<br>IF YOU VALUE YOUR RELATIVE SCORE ( within the class ), this can get you more results than any other method I know-of.</p><p>( you will need a directional mic for your recorder, and the Tascam DR-07 recorder, with a battery-powered short shotgun mic, aimed at whomever it is who's speaking will get good notes, no matter how fast they're speaking.  Pocket-tripods work wonders for mics, though sometimes taping a bit of weight onto 'em helps )</p><p>Or, you could get the teacher/prof to agree to having a mic on 'em, and record right off them, and have Dragon Naturally Speaking create the notes from that recording for *everyone*<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. depends on whether they want everyone understanding, or whether they're committed to the bell(curve)-them-all-and-fail-enough-to-impress-the-Institution! determination...<br>( Nuance makes/owns Dragon, btw )</p><p>Anyways, it's the same for writing projects: use the tech to do the "writing/transcription" ( ALWAYS outsource the non-core work, if you have to accomplish lots ), use YOU for the thinking-part, and you'll liberate much more of your real mind-worth!</p><p>Cheers!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and pens ( color coded ) for diagrams &amp; condensations of notes .
( I use blue for future/contact-info , black for past/fact , red for alert/wrong/date/page # and green for good/yay !
) IF YOU VALUE YOUR RELATIVE SCORE ( within the class ) , this can get you more results than any other method I know-of .
( you will need a directional mic for your recorder , and the Tascam DR-07 recorder , with a battery-powered short shotgun mic , aimed at whomever it is who 's speaking will get good notes , no matter how fast they 're speaking .
Pocket-tripods work wonders for mics , though sometimes taping a bit of weight onto 'em helps ) Or , you could get the teacher/prof to agree to having a mic on 'em , and record right off them , and have Dragon Naturally Speaking create the notes from that recording for * everyone * .. depends on whether they want everyone understanding , or whether they 're committed to the bell ( curve ) -them-all-and-fail-enough-to-impress-the-Institution !
determination... ( Nuance makes/owns Dragon , btw ) Anyways , it 's the same for writing projects : use the tech to do the " writing/transcription " ( ALWAYS outsource the non-core work , if you have to accomplish lots ) , use YOU for the thinking-part , and you 'll liberate much more of your real mind-worth ! Cheers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and pens ( color coded ) for diagrams &amp; condensations of notes.
( I use blue for future/contact-info, black for past/fact, red for alert/wrong/date/page# and green for good/yay!
)IF YOU VALUE YOUR RELATIVE SCORE ( within the class ), this can get you more results than any other method I know-of.
( you will need a directional mic for your recorder, and the Tascam DR-07 recorder, with a battery-powered short shotgun mic, aimed at whomever it is who's speaking will get good notes, no matter how fast they're speaking.
Pocket-tripods work wonders for mics, though sometimes taping a bit of weight onto 'em helps )Or, you could get the teacher/prof to agree to having a mic on 'em, and record right off them, and have Dragon Naturally Speaking create the notes from that recording for *everyone* .. depends on whether they want everyone understanding, or whether they're committed to the bell(curve)-them-all-and-fail-enough-to-impress-the-Institution!
determination...( Nuance makes/owns Dragon, btw )Anyways, it's the same for writing projects: use the tech to do the "writing/transcription" ( ALWAYS outsource the non-core work, if you have to accomplish lots ), use YOU for the thinking-part, and you'll liberate much more of your real mind-worth!Cheers!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057892</id>
	<title>Purpose of note-taking</title>
	<author>Walkey</author>
	<datestamp>1265563620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Like others I would tend to simply use a pen for note taking rather than a computer, but that may be because when I was a student computers were not versatile enough (by some way) to allow this type of use.<br>
<br>
New technology though allows you to take shortcuts, to be more efficient, but beware of using technology left right and centre, it may be your downfall. I personally find that any type of full-length recording is generally a waste of time: you have to listen or view the full thing to be able to get it again. Sure you can fast forward and the like, but.<br>
<br>
Always remember the purpose of note-taking, in whatever form you may do this. The purpose is to help you remember. More specifically, to help you remember what you have \_learnt\_. I will emphasise again: the lesson, course, presentation or whatever it is that you are attending, is there to provide you with the information you need. Your \_first\_ job is to understand it there and then and, as much as possible, remember the key tenets of it. The greater the detail you can remember the better. Any form of note taking should support that purpose and only that purpose. You should not use notes as a substitute for understanding things as they are explained. Surely you have a course book, a synopsis, some form of support, some way to find the appropriate information online or in some printed form or other support, so why be the scribe to take it all down? Someone else has done it. Your sole job is to make sure that you understand and you know how to get to the information when you need it.<br>
<br>
I remember repeating a year of studies, way back. That repeat year, I relied on my notes from the previous year. I did not take new notes, except for minor corrections and to better structure (put hierarchy) into my notes. Instead, I focused on learning (i.e. understanding &amp; retaining). It made a huge difference to the amount I actually was able to digest. Ever since that time I always swore, with great success, to take only the bare minimum of notes and to make sure that by the end of the lesson I had understood all of the material. This meant that I was free to actually apply this knowledge immediately and only occasionally use my notes as a pointer or reference rather than reviewing my notes to learn what had been given in a lesson before I could begin to understand - as I had been doing before.<br>
<br>
With all of this in mind, I believe that technology can help you produce the best of notes. But do not stick to one technology. Continue to use whatever is most appropriate for the task at hand. Sometimes the pen might be best, other times a camera will be best for snaps, the computer can help with storage and calculations for instance. Rarely but sometimes you will want a video or a sound recording of a small duration for illustration purposes (studying behaviour or motion comes to mind). The key is that all of those should be eventually kept in a single place, with an index so that they are all easily accessible. The least amount of work that this creates for you, the most you will get out of your system.<br>
<br>
hth,<br>
walkey</htmltext>
<tokenext>Like others I would tend to simply use a pen for note taking rather than a computer , but that may be because when I was a student computers were not versatile enough ( by some way ) to allow this type of use .
New technology though allows you to take shortcuts , to be more efficient , but beware of using technology left right and centre , it may be your downfall .
I personally find that any type of full-length recording is generally a waste of time : you have to listen or view the full thing to be able to get it again .
Sure you can fast forward and the like , but .
Always remember the purpose of note-taking , in whatever form you may do this .
The purpose is to help you remember .
More specifically , to help you remember what you have \ _learnt \ _ .
I will emphasise again : the lesson , course , presentation or whatever it is that you are attending , is there to provide you with the information you need .
Your \ _first \ _ job is to understand it there and then and , as much as possible , remember the key tenets of it .
The greater the detail you can remember the better .
Any form of note taking should support that purpose and only that purpose .
You should not use notes as a substitute for understanding things as they are explained .
Surely you have a course book , a synopsis , some form of support , some way to find the appropriate information online or in some printed form or other support , so why be the scribe to take it all down ?
Someone else has done it .
Your sole job is to make sure that you understand and you know how to get to the information when you need it .
I remember repeating a year of studies , way back .
That repeat year , I relied on my notes from the previous year .
I did not take new notes , except for minor corrections and to better structure ( put hierarchy ) into my notes .
Instead , I focused on learning ( i.e .
understanding &amp; retaining ) .
It made a huge difference to the amount I actually was able to digest .
Ever since that time I always swore , with great success , to take only the bare minimum of notes and to make sure that by the end of the lesson I had understood all of the material .
This meant that I was free to actually apply this knowledge immediately and only occasionally use my notes as a pointer or reference rather than reviewing my notes to learn what had been given in a lesson before I could begin to understand - as I had been doing before .
With all of this in mind , I believe that technology can help you produce the best of notes .
But do not stick to one technology .
Continue to use whatever is most appropriate for the task at hand .
Sometimes the pen might be best , other times a camera will be best for snaps , the computer can help with storage and calculations for instance .
Rarely but sometimes you will want a video or a sound recording of a small duration for illustration purposes ( studying behaviour or motion comes to mind ) .
The key is that all of those should be eventually kept in a single place , with an index so that they are all easily accessible .
The least amount of work that this creates for you , the most you will get out of your system .
hth , walkey</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like others I would tend to simply use a pen for note taking rather than a computer, but that may be because when I was a student computers were not versatile enough (by some way) to allow this type of use.
New technology though allows you to take shortcuts, to be more efficient, but beware of using technology left right and centre, it may be your downfall.
I personally find that any type of full-length recording is generally a waste of time: you have to listen or view the full thing to be able to get it again.
Sure you can fast forward and the like, but.
Always remember the purpose of note-taking, in whatever form you may do this.
The purpose is to help you remember.
More specifically, to help you remember what you have \_learnt\_.
I will emphasise again: the lesson, course, presentation or whatever it is that you are attending, is there to provide you with the information you need.
Your \_first\_ job is to understand it there and then and, as much as possible, remember the key tenets of it.
The greater the detail you can remember the better.
Any form of note taking should support that purpose and only that purpose.
You should not use notes as a substitute for understanding things as they are explained.
Surely you have a course book, a synopsis, some form of support, some way to find the appropriate information online or in some printed form or other support, so why be the scribe to take it all down?
Someone else has done it.
Your sole job is to make sure that you understand and you know how to get to the information when you need it.
I remember repeating a year of studies, way back.
That repeat year, I relied on my notes from the previous year.
I did not take new notes, except for minor corrections and to better structure (put hierarchy) into my notes.
Instead, I focused on learning (i.e.
understanding &amp; retaining).
It made a huge difference to the amount I actually was able to digest.
Ever since that time I always swore, with great success, to take only the bare minimum of notes and to make sure that by the end of the lesson I had understood all of the material.
This meant that I was free to actually apply this knowledge immediately and only occasionally use my notes as a pointer or reference rather than reviewing my notes to learn what had been given in a lesson before I could begin to understand - as I had been doing before.
With all of this in mind, I believe that technology can help you produce the best of notes.
But do not stick to one technology.
Continue to use whatever is most appropriate for the task at hand.
Sometimes the pen might be best, other times a camera will be best for snaps, the computer can help with storage and calculations for instance.
Rarely but sometimes you will want a video or a sound recording of a small duration for illustration purposes (studying behaviour or motion comes to mind).
The key is that all of those should be eventually kept in a single place, with an index so that they are all easily accessible.
The least amount of work that this creates for you, the most you will get out of your system.
hth,
walkey</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057164</id>
	<title>camera</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265556900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Camera? anyone? why draw the diagram?<br>Beuller...? Beuller???</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Camera ?
anyone ? why draw the diagram ? Beuller... ?
Beuller ? ? ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Camera?
anyone? why draw the diagram?Beuller...?
Beuller???</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055664</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>Kevinv</author>
	<datestamp>1265542860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>writing focuses me on the subject and forces me to listen, think about it, then write. just "listening, and thinking" means thinking about girls, at least for me. I remember something I wrote far more than something i just listened to.</p><p>If students are writing everything the teacher says, like a stenographer, then they're doing it wrong.</p><p>If the teachers slides are sufficient notes, then they're doing it wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>writing focuses me on the subject and forces me to listen , think about it , then write .
just " listening , and thinking " means thinking about girls , at least for me .
I remember something I wrote far more than something i just listened to.If students are writing everything the teacher says , like a stenographer , then they 're doing it wrong.If the teachers slides are sufficient notes , then they 're doing it wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>writing focuses me on the subject and forces me to listen, think about it, then write.
just "listening, and thinking" means thinking about girls, at least for me.
I remember something I wrote far more than something i just listened to.If students are writing everything the teacher says, like a stenographer, then they're doing it wrong.If the teachers slides are sufficient notes, then they're doing it wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31060384</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265643600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This sounds fine in theory. But I would say - after 30 years of experience - that it rarely works in practice. It looks to me as if most [American] students concentrate on material only three times: once when recording it from the board, once before a mid-semester test, and once before the final examination. Handing out notes, in practice, simply eliminates 1/3 of the concentration. Too bad, but that appears to me to be what usually happens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds fine in theory .
But I would say - after 30 years of experience - that it rarely works in practice .
It looks to me as if most [ American ] students concentrate on material only three times : once when recording it from the board , once before a mid-semester test , and once before the final examination .
Handing out notes , in practice , simply eliminates 1/3 of the concentration .
Too bad , but that appears to me to be what usually happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds fine in theory.
But I would say - after 30 years of experience - that it rarely works in practice.
It looks to me as if most [American] students concentrate on material only three times: once when recording it from the board, once before a mid-semester test, and once before the final examination.
Handing out notes, in practice, simply eliminates 1/3 of the concentration.
Too bad, but that appears to me to be what usually happens.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056916</id>
	<title>Back in the day</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265554260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Back in the day - I used a Mac Portable to take my notes on - yeah it weighed a ton - but I typed the notes on it, and when I had to copy a diagram I inserted a sequential index number into my notes, copied the diagram onto a piece of paper, and then labeled the paper with the index number.  when I got back to the dorm, I scanned in the diagram (with a Thunder Scanner on my dot matrix printer) and added it to my notes.</p><p>I'd have something like this:</p><p>loren ipsum blah blah blah pi limit blah</p><p>Image 14</p><p>blah blah blah blah...</p><p>Get it?  Worked great until the Newton MessagePad came out - then I used the keyboard on the Newton to take my notes and drew on the screen when I needed to... Damn, how I miss my Newton - it was the ONLY thing I've ever had that actually worked...  Maybe some day the iPad will be up to the level of the Newton...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Back in the day - I used a Mac Portable to take my notes on - yeah it weighed a ton - but I typed the notes on it , and when I had to copy a diagram I inserted a sequential index number into my notes , copied the diagram onto a piece of paper , and then labeled the paper with the index number .
when I got back to the dorm , I scanned in the diagram ( with a Thunder Scanner on my dot matrix printer ) and added it to my notes.I 'd have something like this : loren ipsum blah blah blah pi limit blahImage 14blah blah blah blah...Get it ?
Worked great until the Newton MessagePad came out - then I used the keyboard on the Newton to take my notes and drew on the screen when I needed to... Damn , how I miss my Newton - it was the ONLY thing I 've ever had that actually worked... Maybe some day the iPad will be up to the level of the Newton.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back in the day - I used a Mac Portable to take my notes on - yeah it weighed a ton - but I typed the notes on it, and when I had to copy a diagram I inserted a sequential index number into my notes, copied the diagram onto a piece of paper, and then labeled the paper with the index number.
when I got back to the dorm, I scanned in the diagram (with a Thunder Scanner on my dot matrix printer) and added it to my notes.I'd have something like this:loren ipsum blah blah blah pi limit blahImage 14blah blah blah blah...Get it?
Worked great until the Newton MessagePad came out - then I used the keyboard on the Newton to take my notes and drew on the screen when I needed to... Damn, how I miss my Newton - it was the ONLY thing I've ever had that actually worked...  Maybe some day the iPad will be up to the level of the Newton...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054522</id>
	<title>So do I</title>
	<author>Xamusk</author>
	<datestamp>1265535360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've tried to do it on the laptop, but graphs, tables, annotations, colors, mathematical formalae (sometimes many of those together) are all too difficult to handle in a timely fashion when using a laptop.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've tried to do it on the laptop , but graphs , tables , annotations , colors , mathematical formalae ( sometimes many of those together ) are all too difficult to handle in a timely fashion when using a laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've tried to do it on the laptop, but graphs, tables, annotations, colors, mathematical formalae (sometimes many of those together) are all too difficult to handle in a timely fashion when using a laptop.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31059692</id>
	<title>Re:At My University</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265636640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've noticed this too in my CS classes but there's also always been loads that needed noting down. I used to be on a liberal arts degree before CS and this is the one difference in the students that really struck me since I transferred. I just put it down to the fact that slides are available online and computer people will find them and save them, whereas politics and sociology lecturers probably don't know or care about uploading slides, and students are less likely to know they're there or how to get at them.</p><p>Not that I'm saying that "CS people are just more clever", because I've also noticed another tendency for CS students to study in a much less thorough way. The lecturers are also on the whole worse since I transferred but that might just be my university.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've noticed this too in my CS classes but there 's also always been loads that needed noting down .
I used to be on a liberal arts degree before CS and this is the one difference in the students that really struck me since I transferred .
I just put it down to the fact that slides are available online and computer people will find them and save them , whereas politics and sociology lecturers probably do n't know or care about uploading slides , and students are less likely to know they 're there or how to get at them.Not that I 'm saying that " CS people are just more clever " , because I 've also noticed another tendency for CS students to study in a much less thorough way .
The lecturers are also on the whole worse since I transferred but that might just be my university .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've noticed this too in my CS classes but there's also always been loads that needed noting down.
I used to be on a liberal arts degree before CS and this is the one difference in the students that really struck me since I transferred.
I just put it down to the fact that slides are available online and computer people will find them and save them, whereas politics and sociology lecturers probably don't know or care about uploading slides, and students are less likely to know they're there or how to get at them.Not that I'm saying that "CS people are just more clever", because I've also noticed another tendency for CS students to study in a much less thorough way.
The lecturers are also on the whole worse since I transferred but that might just be my university.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057108</id>
	<title>It depends on the class</title>
	<author>R3coiler</author>
	<datestamp>1265556360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a college freshman myself, I find both to be useful in different situations.  Electrical engineering class obviously has plenty of diagrams, so paper and pen works best for that.  Math has all sorts of stuff that's much harder to do on a computer.  But psychology has (almost) no diagrams or equations, so typing works better for that simply because it's faster.

Look, this whole discussion is almost pointless.  People are going to use whatever they feel the most comfortable with.  Go to any college and you'll see that neither paper nor laptops are extinct.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a college freshman myself , I find both to be useful in different situations .
Electrical engineering class obviously has plenty of diagrams , so paper and pen works best for that .
Math has all sorts of stuff that 's much harder to do on a computer .
But psychology has ( almost ) no diagrams or equations , so typing works better for that simply because it 's faster .
Look , this whole discussion is almost pointless .
People are going to use whatever they feel the most comfortable with .
Go to any college and you 'll see that neither paper nor laptops are extinct .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a college freshman myself, I find both to be useful in different situations.
Electrical engineering class obviously has plenty of diagrams, so paper and pen works best for that.
Math has all sorts of stuff that's much harder to do on a computer.
But psychology has (almost) no diagrams or equations, so typing works better for that simply because it's faster.
Look, this whole discussion is almost pointless.
People are going to use whatever they feel the most comfortable with.
Go to any college and you'll see that neither paper nor laptops are extinct.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055066</id>
	<title>Tablets, not Laptops</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1265539140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you use a tablet, with some sort of handwriting ability, you can get the best of both worlds. Add a camera, and its even better.</p><p>Biggest problem is battery life.  My pad of paper wont run out 1/2 thru the day..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you use a tablet , with some sort of handwriting ability , you can get the best of both worlds .
Add a camera , and its even better.Biggest problem is battery life .
My pad of paper wont run out 1/2 thru the day. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you use a tablet, with some sort of handwriting ability, you can get the best of both worlds.
Add a camera, and its even better.Biggest problem is battery life.
My pad of paper wont run out 1/2 thru the day..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054600</id>
	<title>Pulse Pen</title>
	<author>Screen404-O</author>
	<datestamp>1265535840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have used pulse pen <a href="http://www.livescribe.com/Smartpen/index.html" title="livescribe.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.livescribe.com/Smartpen/index.html</a> [livescribe.com] for a few years it records audio and text to be transfered to PC</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have used pulse pen http : //www.livescribe.com/Smartpen/index.html [ livescribe.com ] for a few years it records audio and text to be transfered to PC</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have used pulse pen http://www.livescribe.com/Smartpen/index.html [livescribe.com] for a few years it records audio and text to be transfered to PC</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054546</id>
	<title>Pencil.</title>
	<author>ThrowAwaySociety</author>
	<datestamp>1265535540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because it's erasable. Use a hard (light) pencil to avoid smearing, or recopy later.</p><p>Also, not having a laptop discourages you from checking email, facebook, or playing games.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because it 's erasable .
Use a hard ( light ) pencil to avoid smearing , or recopy later.Also , not having a laptop discourages you from checking email , facebook , or playing games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because it's erasable.
Use a hard (light) pencil to avoid smearing, or recopy later.Also, not having a laptop discourages you from checking email, facebook, or playing games.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055600</id>
	<title>LaTeX</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265542380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Last semester I had a maths subject with no slides, no textbook. We just has what was spoken and written on the board in class. I took all my notes in LaTeX on my laptop and drew the diagrams in Inkscape. Why? Well, at the end of the semester I had the most complete set of notes of anyone I knew, and I could print them out and actually read them. Yes, I don't understand as much in class as some people might, but I'm not a person who learns well from listening anyway. I learn the most from doing the tutorial questions and reading my notes.</p><p>So if you've got the typing speed to keep up, type!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last semester I had a maths subject with no slides , no textbook .
We just has what was spoken and written on the board in class .
I took all my notes in LaTeX on my laptop and drew the diagrams in Inkscape .
Why ? Well , at the end of the semester I had the most complete set of notes of anyone I knew , and I could print them out and actually read them .
Yes , I do n't understand as much in class as some people might , but I 'm not a person who learns well from listening anyway .
I learn the most from doing the tutorial questions and reading my notes.So if you 've got the typing speed to keep up , type !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last semester I had a maths subject with no slides, no textbook.
We just has what was spoken and written on the board in class.
I took all my notes in LaTeX on my laptop and drew the diagrams in Inkscape.
Why? Well, at the end of the semester I had the most complete set of notes of anyone I knew, and I could print them out and actually read them.
Yes, I don't understand as much in class as some people might, but I'm not a person who learns well from listening anyway.
I learn the most from doing the tutorial questions and reading my notes.So if you've got the typing speed to keep up, type!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31059012</id>
	<title>Re:At My University</title>
	<author>sulfur</author>
	<datestamp>1265623440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's kind of foreign to see someone taking notes in a CS course. I assume it is because CS courses are about understanding the concept instead of memorizing information.</p></div><p>You sound like someone who teaches a particular course and considers it "The CS Course". At my university, you need to take 15 CS courses for an undergraduate degree in Computer Science, and each one of them requires a different note-taking strategy.

</p><p>Here's another funny thing about "understanding the concept". Sometimes there are cases when you understand the concept perfectly during the lecture, but when you start doing homework 3 days later, you suddenly realize that now you don't understand it any more. In these cases, going over the most important points in the lecture notes helps you get back on track quickly instead of having to (re-)read the book.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's kind of foreign to see someone taking notes in a CS course .
I assume it is because CS courses are about understanding the concept instead of memorizing information.You sound like someone who teaches a particular course and considers it " The CS Course " .
At my university , you need to take 15 CS courses for an undergraduate degree in Computer Science , and each one of them requires a different note-taking strategy .
Here 's another funny thing about " understanding the concept " .
Sometimes there are cases when you understand the concept perfectly during the lecture , but when you start doing homework 3 days later , you suddenly realize that now you do n't understand it any more .
In these cases , going over the most important points in the lecture notes helps you get back on track quickly instead of having to ( re- ) read the book .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's kind of foreign to see someone taking notes in a CS course.
I assume it is because CS courses are about understanding the concept instead of memorizing information.You sound like someone who teaches a particular course and considers it "The CS Course".
At my university, you need to take 15 CS courses for an undergraduate degree in Computer Science, and each one of them requires a different note-taking strategy.
Here's another funny thing about "understanding the concept".
Sometimes there are cases when you understand the concept perfectly during the lecture, but when you start doing homework 3 days later, you suddenly realize that now you don't understand it any more.
In these cases, going over the most important points in the lecture notes helps you get back on track quickly instead of having to (re-)read the book.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054908</id>
	<title>Getting rid of the pen...</title>
	<author>MindPrison</author>
	<datestamp>1265538000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...is the best thing that ever happened to the human mind.</p><p>Taking notes is distracting, and yes - most of us have some kind of note taking capacity either via our smartphones, mobilphones or pc's. But they are NOT as practical as the pen. The pen - you have - here and now, no need to "boot-up-your-pen" or click on some application deeply hidden in your cellphone somewhere...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...yes - you KNOW you have it, but you'll rather prefer to REMEMBER it rather than bother with all the "clicking", so your brain gets trained to remember things better - and what do you know...it WORKS!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...is the best thing that ever happened to the human mind.Taking notes is distracting , and yes - most of us have some kind of note taking capacity either via our smartphones , mobilphones or pc 's .
But they are NOT as practical as the pen .
The pen - you have - here and now , no need to " boot-up-your-pen " or click on some application deeply hidden in your cellphone somewhere... ...yes - you KNOW you have it , but you 'll rather prefer to REMEMBER it rather than bother with all the " clicking " , so your brain gets trained to remember things better - and what do you know...it WORKS !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...is the best thing that ever happened to the human mind.Taking notes is distracting, and yes - most of us have some kind of note taking capacity either via our smartphones, mobilphones or pc's.
But they are NOT as practical as the pen.
The pen - you have - here and now, no need to "boot-up-your-pen" or click on some application deeply hidden in your cellphone somewhere... ...yes - you KNOW you have it, but you'll rather prefer to REMEMBER it rather than bother with all the "clicking", so your brain gets trained to remember things better - and what do you know...it WORKS!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31059220</id>
	<title>Pen/Touchscreen/whatever</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265627640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is better depends on the person who uses it...</p><p>The fact is: Taking notes &gt; Not Taking notes.</p><p>(though sometimes, borrowing Notes &gt; attending class...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P)</p><p>Cheers.</p><p>PS: a Touchscreen laptop can do wonders on diagrams for instance. . .</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is better depends on the person who uses it...The fact is : Taking notes &gt; Not Taking notes .
( though sometimes , borrowing Notes &gt; attending class... : P ) Cheers.PS : a Touchscreen laptop can do wonders on diagrams for instance .
. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is better depends on the person who uses it...The fact is: Taking notes &gt; Not Taking notes.
(though sometimes, borrowing Notes &gt; attending class... :P)Cheers.PS: a Touchscreen laptop can do wonders on diagrams for instance.
. .</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054726</id>
	<title>faGorz</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265536680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Gains market share resulted in the Of Jordan Hubbard being GAY NIGGERS. off the play area sux0r status, *BSD Shal0l we? OK!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Gains market share resulted in the Of Jordan Hubbard being GAY NIGGERS .
off the play area sux0r status , * BSD Shal0l we ?
OK !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gains market share resulted in the Of Jordan Hubbard being GAY NIGGERS.
off the play area sux0r status, *BSD Shal0l we?
OK!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054610</id>
	<title>Diagrams? - use Cheese</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265535900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Turn netbook around, click space bar.  How hard is that?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Turn netbook around , click space bar .
How hard is that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Turn netbook around, click space bar.
How hard is that?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057218</id>
	<title>Re:At My University</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1265557440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whereas math and physics, where people take copious notes, are all about rote memorization?  I don't think so.</p><p>If you don't need to take notes, you aren't being challenged enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whereas math and physics , where people take copious notes , are all about rote memorization ?
I do n't think so.If you do n't need to take notes , you are n't being challenged enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whereas math and physics, where people take copious notes, are all about rote memorization?
I don't think so.If you don't need to take notes, you aren't being challenged enough.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055388</id>
	<title>Re:Pencil.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265541000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Because it's erasable. Use a hard (light) pencil to avoid smearing, or recopy later.</p><p>Also, not having a laptop discourages you from checking email, facebook, or playing games.</p></div><p>Also, paper never runs out of batteries or experiences crashes or data corruption unless you can't read your own handwriting.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because it 's erasable .
Use a hard ( light ) pencil to avoid smearing , or recopy later.Also , not having a laptop discourages you from checking email , facebook , or playing games.Also , paper never runs out of batteries or experiences crashes or data corruption unless you ca n't read your own handwriting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because it's erasable.
Use a hard (light) pencil to avoid smearing, or recopy later.Also, not having a laptop discourages you from checking email, facebook, or playing games.Also, paper never runs out of batteries or experiences crashes or data corruption unless you can't read your own handwriting.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056660</id>
	<title>Pen and Paper == Winning combo</title>
	<author>Skal Tura</author>
	<datestamp>1265552100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nothing is better for note taking than pe nand paper, and many other tasks aswell which requires freeform representations of something.</p><p>As a coder, i also plan on paper anything complex.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing is better for note taking than pe nand paper , and many other tasks aswell which requires freeform representations of something.As a coder , i also plan on paper anything complex .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing is better for note taking than pe nand paper, and many other tasks aswell which requires freeform representations of something.As a coder, i also plan on paper anything complex.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054826</id>
	<title>Laptop + digital camera = note taking bliss</title>
	<author>waTR</author>
	<datestamp>1265537400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>During my architecture / engineering classes days, I found the winning combination was Laptop + digital camera.</p><p>Towards the end of the year, everyone in class had a camera, and the profs would actually play along and ask if everyone has finished taking a picture before erasing the board.</p><p>The above was WAY better than any pen and paper. This is because the professor would often make mistakes as they draw and would erase parts. In addition, they would use multiple colours to make the image communicate more information. Impossible to capture this without a digital camera.</p><p>Today: I would do Ipad + digital camera for any class... I would just dump the camera pictures into a folder labeled for that lecture along with my<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.odf /<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc / what-ever text format.</p><p>Works great!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>During my architecture / engineering classes days , I found the winning combination was Laptop + digital camera.Towards the end of the year , everyone in class had a camera , and the profs would actually play along and ask if everyone has finished taking a picture before erasing the board.The above was WAY better than any pen and paper .
This is because the professor would often make mistakes as they draw and would erase parts .
In addition , they would use multiple colours to make the image communicate more information .
Impossible to capture this without a digital camera.Today : I would do Ipad + digital camera for any class... I would just dump the camera pictures into a folder labeled for that lecture along with my .odf / .doc / what-ever text format.Works great !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>During my architecture / engineering classes days, I found the winning combination was Laptop + digital camera.Towards the end of the year, everyone in class had a camera, and the profs would actually play along and ask if everyone has finished taking a picture before erasing the board.The above was WAY better than any pen and paper.
This is because the professor would often make mistakes as they draw and would erase parts.
In addition, they would use multiple colours to make the image communicate more information.
Impossible to capture this without a digital camera.Today: I would do Ipad + digital camera for any class... I would just dump the camera pictures into a folder labeled for that lecture along with my .odf / .doc / what-ever text format.Works great!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056154</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take notes during lectures</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265546820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Decades later, I still remember watching my classmates furiously scribbling stuff in calc class as though they'd never heard of this stuff until moments ago, while I sat back, relaxed, yet confused...</p></div><p>In calculus or other mathematics lectures I quickly switched from taking notes to active listening keeping the textbook open in front of me in case I wanted to scribble a note to myself or denote an important point the professor told us was important. I scored As and A+s in the courses. Previously, when taking notes like everyone else my scores were much lower (B+s, B-, and even a few Cs).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Decades later , I still remember watching my classmates furiously scribbling stuff in calc class as though they 'd never heard of this stuff until moments ago , while I sat back , relaxed , yet confused...In calculus or other mathematics lectures I quickly switched from taking notes to active listening keeping the textbook open in front of me in case I wanted to scribble a note to myself or denote an important point the professor told us was important .
I scored As and A + s in the courses .
Previously , when taking notes like everyone else my scores were much lower ( B + s , B- , and even a few Cs ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Decades later, I still remember watching my classmates furiously scribbling stuff in calc class as though they'd never heard of this stuff until moments ago, while I sat back, relaxed, yet confused...In calculus or other mathematics lectures I quickly switched from taking notes to active listening keeping the textbook open in front of me in case I wanted to scribble a note to myself or denote an important point the professor told us was important.
I scored As and A+s in the courses.
Previously, when taking notes like everyone else my scores were much lower (B+s, B-, and even a few Cs).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057388</id>
	<title>Re:Notebook and Webcam/Camera Phone and OneNote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265558940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're going to be snapping photos, it seems like the notebook is overkill.  Just snap shots of the notes.  Later in the day you can cement the lecture material by using some image manipulation tool on your home or school computer to organize the information in a manner more to your liking, then upload the photos to Evernote to make them searchable and access them from your phone during the next lectures. (I also snap photos of important textbook pages and keep them in my phone so I can travel light.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're going to be snapping photos , it seems like the notebook is overkill .
Just snap shots of the notes .
Later in the day you can cement the lecture material by using some image manipulation tool on your home or school computer to organize the information in a manner more to your liking , then upload the photos to Evernote to make them searchable and access them from your phone during the next lectures .
( I also snap photos of important textbook pages and keep them in my phone so I can travel light .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're going to be snapping photos, it seems like the notebook is overkill.
Just snap shots of the notes.
Later in the day you can cement the lecture material by using some image manipulation tool on your home or school computer to organize the information in a manner more to your liking, then upload the photos to Evernote to make them searchable and access them from your phone during the next lectures.
(I also snap photos of important textbook pages and keep them in my phone so I can travel light.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056708</id>
	<title>Do both..</title>
	<author>cheros</author>
	<datestamp>1265552400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Logitech io Personal Digital Pen is one example: you write, and it records what you do.  I'm not sure it's the Logitech one, but I also recall seeing a pen that records voice at the same time, so you can actually track back what drawing you made with which commentary.  AFAIK it works with specially coded paper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Logitech io Personal Digital Pen is one example : you write , and it records what you do .
I 'm not sure it 's the Logitech one , but I also recall seeing a pen that records voice at the same time , so you can actually track back what drawing you made with which commentary .
AFAIK it works with specially coded paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Logitech io Personal Digital Pen is one example: you write, and it records what you do.
I'm not sure it's the Logitech one, but I also recall seeing a pen that records voice at the same time, so you can actually track back what drawing you made with which commentary.
AFAIK it works with specially coded paper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054996</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>gedhrel</author>
	<datestamp>1265538660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That depends on the student. Chalk and talk works well for particular learning styles. There's also plenty of evidence that transcription assists recall for lots of people. You mention "listening, thinking, and asking questions" - what you really want is for students to be in a high state of alertness rather than switched off. Different people achieve that different ways, so don't pooh-pooh the idea out-of-hand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That depends on the student .
Chalk and talk works well for particular learning styles .
There 's also plenty of evidence that transcription assists recall for lots of people .
You mention " listening , thinking , and asking questions " - what you really want is for students to be in a high state of alertness rather than switched off .
Different people achieve that different ways , so do n't pooh-pooh the idea out-of-hand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That depends on the student.
Chalk and talk works well for particular learning styles.
There's also plenty of evidence that transcription assists recall for lots of people.
You mention "listening, thinking, and asking questions" - what you really want is for students to be in a high state of alertness rather than switched off.
Different people achieve that different ways, so don't pooh-pooh the idea out-of-hand.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31059268</id>
	<title>Re:Notes</title>
	<author>VenomPhallus</author>
	<datestamp>1265628360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You'd be surprised; IME very few young people use fountain pens any more. I went back to university to do a post-grad a couple of years ago; the on-campus shop didn't even stock ink or cartridges, much to my surprise. All they had were biros.</p><p>After noticing that, I made a point of looking what other students used to write with - without exception the only people who used fountain pens were fellow mature (30+) students.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'd be surprised ; IME very few young people use fountain pens any more .
I went back to university to do a post-grad a couple of years ago ; the on-campus shop did n't even stock ink or cartridges , much to my surprise .
All they had were biros.After noticing that , I made a point of looking what other students used to write with - without exception the only people who used fountain pens were fellow mature ( 30 + ) students .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'd be surprised; IME very few young people use fountain pens any more.
I went back to university to do a post-grad a couple of years ago; the on-campus shop didn't even stock ink or cartridges, much to my surprise.
All they had were biros.After noticing that, I made a point of looking what other students used to write with - without exception the only people who used fountain pens were fellow mature (30+) students.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31058808</id>
	<title>I've bee out of college for years</title>
	<author>VShael</author>
	<datestamp>1265662200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so I never had the option of taking a laptop to class.<br>But I do wonder if it's possible these days to video record the lecture?<br>It seems to me that a video of the class would capture any diagrams, while you could annotate the resulting video with notes taken by hand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so I never had the option of taking a laptop to class.But I do wonder if it 's possible these days to video record the lecture ? It seems to me that a video of the class would capture any diagrams , while you could annotate the resulting video with notes taken by hand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so I never had the option of taking a laptop to class.But I do wonder if it's possible these days to video record the lecture?It seems to me that a video of the class would capture any diagrams, while you could annotate the resulting video with notes taken by hand.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055104</id>
	<title>Pencil and Paper</title>
	<author>pipingguy</author>
	<datestamp>1265539380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>As an old fart, 30 years experienced draftsman (a trade that "changed" due to computers, making my artistic ability and talent obsolete) I gotta go with good old writing utensils.<br> <br>

I've evolved and "embrace" CAD technology, but scribbling/doodling on paper is the best way to focus the mind. When I draw I want as little interference as possible between my brain/eyes and my hand.<br> <br>
Maybe I'm weird though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As an old fart , 30 years experienced draftsman ( a trade that " changed " due to computers , making my artistic ability and talent obsolete ) I got ta go with good old writing utensils .
I 've evolved and " embrace " CAD technology , but scribbling/doodling on paper is the best way to focus the mind .
When I draw I want as little interference as possible between my brain/eyes and my hand .
Maybe I 'm weird though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an old fart, 30 years experienced draftsman (a trade that "changed" due to computers, making my artistic ability and talent obsolete) I gotta go with good old writing utensils.
I've evolved and "embrace" CAD technology, but scribbling/doodling on paper is the best way to focus the mind.
When I draw I want as little interference as possible between my brain/eyes and my hand.
Maybe I'm weird though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056174</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>gardyloo</author>
	<datestamp>1265547060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Slides? Not a single professor of mine in graduate school made slides. They didn't have time to. It's much faster, easier, and more effective to write things out on the board, and helps the learning, especially if things are put up in some semblance of a nice order. Making slides for innumerable physics diagrams and equations is a huge waste of time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Slides ?
Not a single professor of mine in graduate school made slides .
They did n't have time to .
It 's much faster , easier , and more effective to write things out on the board , and helps the learning , especially if things are put up in some semblance of a nice order .
Making slides for innumerable physics diagrams and equations is a huge waste of time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slides?
Not a single professor of mine in graduate school made slides.
They didn't have time to.
It's much faster, easier, and more effective to write things out on the board, and helps the learning, especially if things are put up in some semblance of a nice order.
Making slides for innumerable physics diagrams and equations is a huge waste of time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31058100</id>
	<title>You know what is a pain?</title>
	<author>CrazyJim1</author>
	<datestamp>1265565780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I disliked doing Chemistry Stoiciometry because of all the sub case and super casing.  I'm sure different types of maths its bad too.  Maybe theres scientific notation out there, but I don't know about it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I disliked doing Chemistry Stoiciometry because of all the sub case and super casing .
I 'm sure different types of maths its bad too .
Maybe theres scientific notation out there , but I do n't know about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I disliked doing Chemistry Stoiciometry because of all the sub case and super casing.
I'm sure different types of maths its bad too.
Maybe theres scientific notation out there, but I don't know about it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055950</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>bloobloo</author>
	<datestamp>1265544960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try learning transfer processes, fluid mechanics or thermodynamics by not taking notes and just watching the professor. You may manage to remember 1D, but 2D or 3D will not be possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try learning transfer processes , fluid mechanics or thermodynamics by not taking notes and just watching the professor .
You may manage to remember 1D , but 2D or 3D will not be possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try learning transfer processes, fluid mechanics or thermodynamics by not taking notes and just watching the professor.
You may manage to remember 1D, but 2D or 3D will not be possible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054576</id>
	<title>At My University</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265535720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>At my university, most CS students do not take notes at all. It's kind of foreign to see someone taking notes in a CS course. I assume it is because CS courses are about understanding the concept instead of memorizing information. Because it's not as much memorization, note taking is not as needed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At my university , most CS students do not take notes at all .
It 's kind of foreign to see someone taking notes in a CS course .
I assume it is because CS courses are about understanding the concept instead of memorizing information .
Because it 's not as much memorization , note taking is not as needed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At my university, most CS students do not take notes at all.
It's kind of foreign to see someone taking notes in a CS course.
I assume it is because CS courses are about understanding the concept instead of memorizing information.
Because it's not as much memorization, note taking is not as needed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31058818</id>
	<title>Re:Pencil.</title>
	<author>bemymonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1265662620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Pen input (wacom) also needs improvement, especially near the edges of the screens where precision is lost.</p></div><p>Huh, and I thought that was a sign of aging (only having used my X41Tablet). Are newer models (say, the X200T) the same? Even when brand new?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pen input ( wacom ) also needs improvement , especially near the edges of the screens where precision is lost.Huh , and I thought that was a sign of aging ( only having used my X41Tablet ) .
Are newer models ( say , the X200T ) the same ?
Even when brand new ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pen input (wacom) also needs improvement, especially near the edges of the screens where precision is lost.Huh, and I thought that was a sign of aging (only having used my X41Tablet).
Are newer models (say, the X200T) the same?
Even when brand new?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057976</id>
	<title>Re:At Law School...</title>
	<author>Anci3nt of Days</author>
	<datestamp>1265564400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For law school I use both - I take notes by hand, while following the lecture material on the laptop with the ability to look up statutes or cases and quickly search to the point we are discussing. I like to be able to rearrange notes as you can on a computer, but printing them out to read, and having no fast diagram or sketch ability is a real annoyance.</p><p>Primarily though, I write out my notes because I can keep my hand-writing speed just fast enough to get down a decent answer (~12 pages) in a 2 hour exam. I can type much faster, but until my university (Bond) moves to online exams I just can't afford not to keep up the hand-writing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For law school I use both - I take notes by hand , while following the lecture material on the laptop with the ability to look up statutes or cases and quickly search to the point we are discussing .
I like to be able to rearrange notes as you can on a computer , but printing them out to read , and having no fast diagram or sketch ability is a real annoyance.Primarily though , I write out my notes because I can keep my hand-writing speed just fast enough to get down a decent answer ( ~ 12 pages ) in a 2 hour exam .
I can type much faster , but until my university ( Bond ) moves to online exams I just ca n't afford not to keep up the hand-writing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For law school I use both - I take notes by hand, while following the lecture material on the laptop with the ability to look up statutes or cases and quickly search to the point we are discussing.
I like to be able to rearrange notes as you can on a computer, but printing them out to read, and having no fast diagram or sketch ability is a real annoyance.Primarily though, I write out my notes because I can keep my hand-writing speed just fast enough to get down a decent answer (~12 pages) in a 2 hour exam.
I can type much faster, but until my university (Bond) moves to online exams I just can't afford not to keep up the hand-writing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31059030</id>
	<title>Re:Depends on the class.</title>
	<author>u38cg</author>
	<datestamp>1265623680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Of four courses I took last term, two lecturers objected to electronics.  They were widely agreed to be the worst lecturers and hardest subjects: yet they had the highest pass rates.  Coincidence?  You decide!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of four courses I took last term , two lecturers objected to electronics .
They were widely agreed to be the worst lecturers and hardest subjects : yet they had the highest pass rates .
Coincidence ? You decide !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of four courses I took last term, two lecturers objected to electronics.
They were widely agreed to be the worst lecturers and hardest subjects: yet they had the highest pass rates.
Coincidence?  You decide!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31059160</id>
	<title>Math equation recognition</title>
	<author>brucmack</author>
	<datestamp>1265626680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was finishing undergrad at around the time Microsoft first tried the waters with tablet PCs. I think they failed mostly because they were a niche market, so they were underpowered and expensive. The people who had one were actually quite happy using them for note-taking though.<br> <br>

One area where tablets could be brilliant for math and engineering students is in inputting math equations, since it's clumsy to generate large equations with a keyboard and mouse. I don't know what the status of commercial offerings is now, but if anybody is interested in looking into this, we open-sourced our fourth-year design project to make a math recognizer. Get it <a href="http://www.softwarepunk.com/solve/" title="softwarepunk.com">here</a> [softwarepunk.com].<br> <br>

The goal was to recognize the major symbols use in math equations and recognize their placement in relation to each other, so we could typeset and send the equation to a computer algebra system. I feel we actually did a pretty good job with the time and resources we had available.<br> <br>

Since it was for Microsoft tablets we did it in C#. But anyone looking into iPad development can probably get something out of the algorithms we used for 2D placement recognition, at least.<br> <br>

As it is now the program is at about the point where it is good enough to be useful but not perfect by any means. We needed about 10-20 times more samples for training the symbol recognizer, so it will misrecognize many of them. We could also use better post-processing for ignoring stray strokes and resolving overlapping symbols. The 2D placement algorithm is actually really good though and will correctly parse most equations as long as you're a bit careful.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was finishing undergrad at around the time Microsoft first tried the waters with tablet PCs .
I think they failed mostly because they were a niche market , so they were underpowered and expensive .
The people who had one were actually quite happy using them for note-taking though .
One area where tablets could be brilliant for math and engineering students is in inputting math equations , since it 's clumsy to generate large equations with a keyboard and mouse .
I do n't know what the status of commercial offerings is now , but if anybody is interested in looking into this , we open-sourced our fourth-year design project to make a math recognizer .
Get it here [ softwarepunk.com ] .
The goal was to recognize the major symbols use in math equations and recognize their placement in relation to each other , so we could typeset and send the equation to a computer algebra system .
I feel we actually did a pretty good job with the time and resources we had available .
Since it was for Microsoft tablets we did it in C # .
But anyone looking into iPad development can probably get something out of the algorithms we used for 2D placement recognition , at least .
As it is now the program is at about the point where it is good enough to be useful but not perfect by any means .
We needed about 10-20 times more samples for training the symbol recognizer , so it will misrecognize many of them .
We could also use better post-processing for ignoring stray strokes and resolving overlapping symbols .
The 2D placement algorithm is actually really good though and will correctly parse most equations as long as you 're a bit careful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was finishing undergrad at around the time Microsoft first tried the waters with tablet PCs.
I think they failed mostly because they were a niche market, so they were underpowered and expensive.
The people who had one were actually quite happy using them for note-taking though.
One area where tablets could be brilliant for math and engineering students is in inputting math equations, since it's clumsy to generate large equations with a keyboard and mouse.
I don't know what the status of commercial offerings is now, but if anybody is interested in looking into this, we open-sourced our fourth-year design project to make a math recognizer.
Get it here [softwarepunk.com].
The goal was to recognize the major symbols use in math equations and recognize their placement in relation to each other, so we could typeset and send the equation to a computer algebra system.
I feel we actually did a pretty good job with the time and resources we had available.
Since it was for Microsoft tablets we did it in C#.
But anyone looking into iPad development can probably get something out of the algorithms we used for 2D placement recognition, at least.
As it is now the program is at about the point where it is good enough to be useful but not perfect by any means.
We needed about 10-20 times more samples for training the symbol recognizer, so it will misrecognize many of them.
We could also use better post-processing for ignoring stray strokes and resolving overlapping symbols.
The 2D placement algorithm is actually really good though and will correctly parse most equations as long as you're a bit careful.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057136</id>
	<title>TabletPC and 1 year w/o paper</title>
	<author>Com2Kid</author>
	<datestamp>1265556600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I got a hold of a Tablet PC during my Junior year of my CS degree, just in time for my advanced Algorithms class.</p><p>Fun.  Lots and lots of fun.  Thanks to OneNote I didn't have to touch paper for an entire year.  I did everything in OneNote, including homework, which was exported and emailed into my profs.</p><p>OneNote syncs up notes with audio recordings taken during lectures/meetings/etc, and my Tablet had a 3d Mic Array, which means it had (IIRC) 3 microphones spread out around it and I could tell the software which direction to emphasis recording from.</p><p>The model was a Toshiba M200, 12" screen long before the current trend of smaller laptops was in style.  Everyone was lugging around their 15" monster laptop that had an hour or so battery life, at the start of each lecture they would rush to the power outlets so that they could feed their machine.  My 3hr battery life lasted me through an entire day of lectures.</p><p>Studies have shown [citation needed] that the physical act of writing notes helps with both comprehension and recall.  I have always hated taking notes out, my fine motor skills are horrible and I writing hurts my writes like hell, but the benefits were so obvious that I continued to do so anyway.</p><p>The only problem with laptops in classrooms is that I tended to post a lot on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. during boring lectures...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I got a hold of a Tablet PC during my Junior year of my CS degree , just in time for my advanced Algorithms class.Fun .
Lots and lots of fun .
Thanks to OneNote I did n't have to touch paper for an entire year .
I did everything in OneNote , including homework , which was exported and emailed into my profs.OneNote syncs up notes with audio recordings taken during lectures/meetings/etc , and my Tablet had a 3d Mic Array , which means it had ( IIRC ) 3 microphones spread out around it and I could tell the software which direction to emphasis recording from.The model was a Toshiba M200 , 12 " screen long before the current trend of smaller laptops was in style .
Everyone was lugging around their 15 " monster laptop that had an hour or so battery life , at the start of each lecture they would rush to the power outlets so that they could feed their machine .
My 3hr battery life lasted me through an entire day of lectures.Studies have shown [ citation needed ] that the physical act of writing notes helps with both comprehension and recall .
I have always hated taking notes out , my fine motor skills are horrible and I writing hurts my writes like hell , but the benefits were so obvious that I continued to do so anyway.The only problem with laptops in classrooms is that I tended to post a lot on / .
during boring lectures.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got a hold of a Tablet PC during my Junior year of my CS degree, just in time for my advanced Algorithms class.Fun.
Lots and lots of fun.
Thanks to OneNote I didn't have to touch paper for an entire year.
I did everything in OneNote, including homework, which was exported and emailed into my profs.OneNote syncs up notes with audio recordings taken during lectures/meetings/etc, and my Tablet had a 3d Mic Array, which means it had (IIRC) 3 microphones spread out around it and I could tell the software which direction to emphasis recording from.The model was a Toshiba M200, 12" screen long before the current trend of smaller laptops was in style.
Everyone was lugging around their 15" monster laptop that had an hour or so battery life, at the start of each lecture they would rush to the power outlets so that they could feed their machine.
My 3hr battery life lasted me through an entire day of lectures.Studies have shown [citation needed] that the physical act of writing notes helps with both comprehension and recall.
I have always hated taking notes out, my fine motor skills are horrible and I writing hurts my writes like hell, but the benefits were so obvious that I continued to do so anyway.The only problem with laptops in classrooms is that I tended to post a lot on /.
during boring lectures...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31063954</id>
	<title>Tablet PCs are the best of both worlds</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265662380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I went from paper to WinCE clamshell to notebook to a tablet PC.  Of the four, I vastly prefer a tablet PC using OneNote to capture what I scribble.  When I go back over my notes, I'll use the built-in handwriting to text software in another box, but I'll leave any diagrams or doodles as-is in the block.  With all the tabs and organization, it's easy to keep up.  Of course, I'll use touch typing in classes with a slower pace (and no diagrams).  That gives me great flexibility in note taking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I went from paper to WinCE clamshell to notebook to a tablet PC .
Of the four , I vastly prefer a tablet PC using OneNote to capture what I scribble .
When I go back over my notes , I 'll use the built-in handwriting to text software in another box , but I 'll leave any diagrams or doodles as-is in the block .
With all the tabs and organization , it 's easy to keep up .
Of course , I 'll use touch typing in classes with a slower pace ( and no diagrams ) .
That gives me great flexibility in note taking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I went from paper to WinCE clamshell to notebook to a tablet PC.
Of the four, I vastly prefer a tablet PC using OneNote to capture what I scribble.
When I go back over my notes, I'll use the built-in handwriting to text software in another box, but I'll leave any diagrams or doodles as-is in the block.
With all the tabs and organization, it's easy to keep up.
Of course, I'll use touch typing in classes with a slower pace (and no diagrams).
That gives me great flexibility in note taking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055988</id>
	<title>Business solution</title>
	<author>cybereal</author>
	<datestamp>1265545260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, I'll admit, taking notes in a professional context is way easier than class notes.  Firstly, I'm an "expert" and rarely if ever actually depend on the notes I take, they are more like reminders.  Second, when details are very important there are two vital tools that eliminate the need for writing every single word down: digital audio recorder, and digital camera.  I have both of those on my iPhone, though I can't snap a shot and record at the same time (a rare case where multitasking would be nice) I don't have an issue with it in practice as everyone else snaps shots of the whiteboards between erases anyway, so there is a cooperative break for everyone to do that.  It's also nice to have a natural break between recordings and new topics based on this micro-epoch in the meetings.</p><p>I haven't even tried to find an App that will do several note-taking tasks at once, but, I imagine they exist, so if I really cared I could probably go get one.</p><p>In school though, I remember, it was pretty important to capture every detail.  I would be very tempted, if it was allowed (and I know, it probably isn't) to simply bring an HD camcorder with optical zoom, a mini-tripod, and tape every lecture and the writing on the board, etc.  then I would note important moments with short reminders and probably a time reference in the recording.</p><p>Oh man am I glad I don't have to go to school and take notes like that anymore<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , I 'll admit , taking notes in a professional context is way easier than class notes .
Firstly , I 'm an " expert " and rarely if ever actually depend on the notes I take , they are more like reminders .
Second , when details are very important there are two vital tools that eliminate the need for writing every single word down : digital audio recorder , and digital camera .
I have both of those on my iPhone , though I ca n't snap a shot and record at the same time ( a rare case where multitasking would be nice ) I do n't have an issue with it in practice as everyone else snaps shots of the whiteboards between erases anyway , so there is a cooperative break for everyone to do that .
It 's also nice to have a natural break between recordings and new topics based on this micro-epoch in the meetings.I have n't even tried to find an App that will do several note-taking tasks at once , but , I imagine they exist , so if I really cared I could probably go get one.In school though , I remember , it was pretty important to capture every detail .
I would be very tempted , if it was allowed ( and I know , it probably is n't ) to simply bring an HD camcorder with optical zoom , a mini-tripod , and tape every lecture and the writing on the board , etc .
then I would note important moments with short reminders and probably a time reference in the recording.Oh man am I glad I do n't have to go to school and take notes like that anymore : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, I'll admit, taking notes in a professional context is way easier than class notes.
Firstly, I'm an "expert" and rarely if ever actually depend on the notes I take, they are more like reminders.
Second, when details are very important there are two vital tools that eliminate the need for writing every single word down: digital audio recorder, and digital camera.
I have both of those on my iPhone, though I can't snap a shot and record at the same time (a rare case where multitasking would be nice) I don't have an issue with it in practice as everyone else snaps shots of the whiteboards between erases anyway, so there is a cooperative break for everyone to do that.
It's also nice to have a natural break between recordings and new topics based on this micro-epoch in the meetings.I haven't even tried to find an App that will do several note-taking tasks at once, but, I imagine they exist, so if I really cared I could probably go get one.In school though, I remember, it was pretty important to capture every detail.
I would be very tempted, if it was allowed (and I know, it probably isn't) to simply bring an HD camcorder with optical zoom, a mini-tripod, and tape every lecture and the writing on the board, etc.
then I would note important moments with short reminders and probably a time reference in the recording.Oh man am I glad I don't have to go to school and take notes like that anymore :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054550</id>
	<title>Depends on the class.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265535540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've found some teachers provide the slides(Powerpoint), so taking notes on those documents is much easier with the majority of the content already on the page</p><p>In courses that are more graphic oriented, I do tend to have a pen and paper handy, but still take the majority of the notes on the laptop.</p><p>Then there are those teachers who feel that they should be the only one in the room using any sort of electronics, so you don't really have a choice.  And yes, these professors still exist.</p><p>I'm slightly biased towards e-notes because I can type far faster than I can write.  I also use Dropbox, which gives me peace of mind that those critical notes for next weeks exam are synced instantly in the cloud.  A misplaced paper or crashed hard drive sucks during final exam week.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've found some teachers provide the slides ( Powerpoint ) , so taking notes on those documents is much easier with the majority of the content already on the pageIn courses that are more graphic oriented , I do tend to have a pen and paper handy , but still take the majority of the notes on the laptop.Then there are those teachers who feel that they should be the only one in the room using any sort of electronics , so you do n't really have a choice .
And yes , these professors still exist.I 'm slightly biased towards e-notes because I can type far faster than I can write .
I also use Dropbox , which gives me peace of mind that those critical notes for next weeks exam are synced instantly in the cloud .
A misplaced paper or crashed hard drive sucks during final exam week .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've found some teachers provide the slides(Powerpoint), so taking notes on those documents is much easier with the majority of the content already on the pageIn courses that are more graphic oriented, I do tend to have a pen and paper handy, but still take the majority of the notes on the laptop.Then there are those teachers who feel that they should be the only one in the room using any sort of electronics, so you don't really have a choice.
And yes, these professors still exist.I'm slightly biased towards e-notes because I can type far faster than I can write.
I also use Dropbox, which gives me peace of mind that those critical notes for next weeks exam are synced instantly in the cloud.
A misplaced paper or crashed hard drive sucks during final exam week.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057722</id>
	<title>Mightier For Whom?</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1265562240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The best solution is to make a deal with a professor to promise to pay close attention to what they say if they'll give you a copy of their notes later.</p><p>Otherwise, what works best for you is best for you. Try different note taking techniques <a href="http://www.cui.edu/studentservices/learningservices/index.aspx?id=2416" title="cui.edu">http://www.cui.edu/studentservices/learningservices/index.aspx?id=2416</a> [cui.edu] and see how they work out.</p><p>I favor spider notes myself as they develop the webs of association more like what the brain does. Right after class write the main topic in the center of a page. Around it write the main subtopics, drawing lines connecting them to the center and each other if appropriate. Around each of those write small notes giving details and such, again drawing connecting lines. Get a few friends to do this, and when you get together to compare, compile a best-fit spider note from all of them.</p><p>For most thorough coverage: during lecture, listen, draw diagrams and tape record the lecture. Later, listen to the recording and write notes in your best working style around the diagrams. Before my second year in grad school (of ten) was over, I gave up on the 'afterwards' part, being content with listening to the recordings and looking at the diagrams for any and all studying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best solution is to make a deal with a professor to promise to pay close attention to what they say if they 'll give you a copy of their notes later.Otherwise , what works best for you is best for you .
Try different note taking techniques http : //www.cui.edu/studentservices/learningservices/index.aspx ? id = 2416 [ cui.edu ] and see how they work out.I favor spider notes myself as they develop the webs of association more like what the brain does .
Right after class write the main topic in the center of a page .
Around it write the main subtopics , drawing lines connecting them to the center and each other if appropriate .
Around each of those write small notes giving details and such , again drawing connecting lines .
Get a few friends to do this , and when you get together to compare , compile a best-fit spider note from all of them.For most thorough coverage : during lecture , listen , draw diagrams and tape record the lecture .
Later , listen to the recording and write notes in your best working style around the diagrams .
Before my second year in grad school ( of ten ) was over , I gave up on the 'afterwards ' part , being content with listening to the recordings and looking at the diagrams for any and all studying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best solution is to make a deal with a professor to promise to pay close attention to what they say if they'll give you a copy of their notes later.Otherwise, what works best for you is best for you.
Try different note taking techniques http://www.cui.edu/studentservices/learningservices/index.aspx?id=2416 [cui.edu] and see how they work out.I favor spider notes myself as they develop the webs of association more like what the brain does.
Right after class write the main topic in the center of a page.
Around it write the main subtopics, drawing lines connecting them to the center and each other if appropriate.
Around each of those write small notes giving details and such, again drawing connecting lines.
Get a few friends to do this, and when you get together to compare, compile a best-fit spider note from all of them.For most thorough coverage: during lecture, listen, draw diagrams and tape record the lecture.
Later, listen to the recording and write notes in your best working style around the diagrams.
Before my second year in grad school (of ten) was over, I gave up on the 'afterwards' part, being content with listening to the recordings and looking at the diagrams for any and all studying.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056424</id>
	<title>Re:Notebook and Webcam/Camera Phone and OneNote</title>
	<author>GrantRobertson</author>
	<datestamp>1265549700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you ever actually tried to use Dragon Naturally Speaking (DNS) in this environment? Obviously not. It would be full of garbled crap. First, you have to train DNS to your voice. Second you have to speak clearly and enunciate well. When was the last time you had a professor do that? Then you have to have a virtually noise free environment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you ever actually tried to use Dragon Naturally Speaking ( DNS ) in this environment ?
Obviously not .
It would be full of garbled crap .
First , you have to train DNS to your voice .
Second you have to speak clearly and enunciate well .
When was the last time you had a professor do that ?
Then you have to have a virtually noise free environment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you ever actually tried to use Dragon Naturally Speaking (DNS) in this environment?
Obviously not.
It would be full of garbled crap.
First, you have to train DNS to your voice.
Second you have to speak clearly and enunciate well.
When was the last time you had a professor do that?
Then you have to have a virtually noise free environment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054586</id>
	<title>ISDS to Fortune 500 Infrastructure (notetaking)</title>
	<author>ars3n</author>
	<datestamp>1265535780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a recent ISDS major entering the workforce and I use a number of notetaking methods. I'm primarily a Mac user but am forced to use PC at work. Fortunately (or unfortunately) Microsoft's OneNote is one of the best notetaking software I've ever used! I've used my iPhone to capture diagrams drawn in a meeting and later referenced them by going directly to my phone or e-mailing the photo to myself and merging it with my notes. Often, even in technology, our meetings are somewhat linear and the number of variables/connections and necessary diagrams to dissect a topic are minimal. Note, not a developer, but perform some level of development/scripting to interact with OS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a recent ISDS major entering the workforce and I use a number of notetaking methods .
I 'm primarily a Mac user but am forced to use PC at work .
Fortunately ( or unfortunately ) Microsoft 's OneNote is one of the best notetaking software I 've ever used !
I 've used my iPhone to capture diagrams drawn in a meeting and later referenced them by going directly to my phone or e-mailing the photo to myself and merging it with my notes .
Often , even in technology , our meetings are somewhat linear and the number of variables/connections and necessary diagrams to dissect a topic are minimal .
Note , not a developer , but perform some level of development/scripting to interact with OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a recent ISDS major entering the workforce and I use a number of notetaking methods.
I'm primarily a Mac user but am forced to use PC at work.
Fortunately (or unfortunately) Microsoft's OneNote is one of the best notetaking software I've ever used!
I've used my iPhone to capture diagrams drawn in a meeting and later referenced them by going directly to my phone or e-mailing the photo to myself and merging it with my notes.
Often, even in technology, our meetings are somewhat linear and the number of variables/connections and necessary diagrams to dissect a topic are minimal.
Note, not a developer, but perform some level of development/scripting to interact with OS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056634</id>
	<title>Penis Mightier</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265551800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>This article is tagged with penismightier...<br><br>Am I the only one who misread that?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This article is tagged with penismightier...Am I the only one who misread that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This article is tagged with penismightier...Am I the only one who misread that?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055246</id>
	<title>Re:Depends on the class.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265540040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Then there are those teachers who feel that they should be the only one in the room using any sort of electronics, so you don't really have a choice.  And yes, these professors still exist.</p></div><p>When they start paying for my education, they can dictate what I use to take notes on.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Then there are those teachers who feel that they should be the only one in the room using any sort of electronics , so you do n't really have a choice .
And yes , these professors still exist.When they start paying for my education , they can dictate what I use to take notes on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then there are those teachers who feel that they should be the only one in the room using any sort of electronics, so you don't really have a choice.
And yes, these professors still exist.When they start paying for my education, they can dictate what I use to take notes on.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054550</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054560</id>
	<title>Game changer?</title>
	<author>vvaduva</author>
	<datestamp>1265535600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The teaser text is nonsensical; how would the iPad be a "game changer" since it doesn't support a stylus due to its capacitive screen?  What do you think people will do, write cursive with their index finger?  Or middle finger would be more appropriate?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The teaser text is nonsensical ; how would the iPad be a " game changer " since it does n't support a stylus due to its capacitive screen ?
What do you think people will do , write cursive with their index finger ?
Or middle finger would be more appropriate ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The teaser text is nonsensical; how would the iPad be a "game changer" since it doesn't support a stylus due to its capacitive screen?
What do you think people will do, write cursive with their index finger?
Or middle finger would be more appropriate?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055906</id>
	<title>pen and paper, hands down.</title>
	<author>h00manist</author>
	<datestamp>1265544600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I suspect pen and most importantly, paper will continue to rule for a long, long time.  Costs 1 cent.  Extremely portable, folds, fits in envelope, notebook, folder, wallet, under school test sheet, under door.  Universal compatibility with humans and future generations of pens.  Accepts multi-individual notes, in between lines, in any color.  Accepts drawings.  Lasts generations.  The old lady at the store and the five-year-old can use it, update, store, retreive, and afford it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I suspect pen and most importantly , paper will continue to rule for a long , long time .
Costs 1 cent .
Extremely portable , folds , fits in envelope , notebook , folder , wallet , under school test sheet , under door .
Universal compatibility with humans and future generations of pens .
Accepts multi-individual notes , in between lines , in any color .
Accepts drawings .
Lasts generations .
The old lady at the store and the five-year-old can use it , update , store , retreive , and afford it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suspect pen and most importantly, paper will continue to rule for a long, long time.
Costs 1 cent.
Extremely portable, folds, fits in envelope, notebook, folder, wallet, under school test sheet, under door.
Universal compatibility with humans and future generations of pens.
Accepts multi-individual notes, in between lines, in any color.
Accepts drawings.
Lasts generations.
The old lady at the store and the five-year-old can use it, update, store, retreive, and afford it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31058634</id>
	<title>Depends on your style...</title>
	<author>Lundse</author>
	<datestamp>1265659380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IF you write-and-forget (never read your notes again, having saved them somewhere in obscurity), notetaking on a computer is worse.<br>IF you try to write down everything that is said, instead of sorting and prioritizing as you would more obviously have to using pen and paper, notetaking on a computer is worse.<br>IF you have no system of differentiating headlines, topics, quick asides, stuff to look up later, direct quotes, etc. etc., notetaking on a computer is worse.</p><p>But if you actually think about what media you are using, and adapt your notetaking to it, I have found that the increased throughput, self-and-techonology-enforced order and readability make my lecture and class notes made on a computer far superior than anything I might have had time for in hand. And yes, I have tried taking notes by hand recently. It sucks.</p><p>PS: Your milage may vary, some people are helped by doodling, illustrating, making their own charts and connecting bits with arrows. Such people should not, however, make any claims that computers are worse for notetaking, only that they are worse for them. My statements above should be read with similar qualifications.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IF you write-and-forget ( never read your notes again , having saved them somewhere in obscurity ) , notetaking on a computer is worse.IF you try to write down everything that is said , instead of sorting and prioritizing as you would more obviously have to using pen and paper , notetaking on a computer is worse.IF you have no system of differentiating headlines , topics , quick asides , stuff to look up later , direct quotes , etc .
etc. , notetaking on a computer is worse.But if you actually think about what media you are using , and adapt your notetaking to it , I have found that the increased throughput , self-and-techonology-enforced order and readability make my lecture and class notes made on a computer far superior than anything I might have had time for in hand .
And yes , I have tried taking notes by hand recently .
It sucks.PS : Your milage may vary , some people are helped by doodling , illustrating , making their own charts and connecting bits with arrows .
Such people should not , however , make any claims that computers are worse for notetaking , only that they are worse for them .
My statements above should be read with similar qualifications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IF you write-and-forget (never read your notes again, having saved them somewhere in obscurity), notetaking on a computer is worse.IF you try to write down everything that is said, instead of sorting and prioritizing as you would more obviously have to using pen and paper, notetaking on a computer is worse.IF you have no system of differentiating headlines, topics, quick asides, stuff to look up later, direct quotes, etc.
etc., notetaking on a computer is worse.But if you actually think about what media you are using, and adapt your notetaking to it, I have found that the increased throughput, self-and-techonology-enforced order and readability make my lecture and class notes made on a computer far superior than anything I might have had time for in hand.
And yes, I have tried taking notes by hand recently.
It sucks.PS: Your milage may vary, some people are helped by doodling, illustrating, making their own charts and connecting bits with arrows.
Such people should not, however, make any claims that computers are worse for notetaking, only that they are worse for them.
My statements above should be read with similar qualifications.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057838</id>
	<title>Re:So do I</title>
	<author>adonoman</author>
	<datestamp>1265563140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yup, OneNote + a good tablet (stylus required) is THE setup to use for note taking.  I haven't found anything else that can touch the indexing of voice for searching and the handwriting / math recognition.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup , OneNote + a good tablet ( stylus required ) is THE setup to use for note taking .
I have n't found anything else that can touch the indexing of voice for searching and the handwriting / math recognition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup, OneNote + a good tablet (stylus required) is THE setup to use for note taking.
I haven't found anything else that can touch the indexing of voice for searching and the handwriting / math recognition.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055962</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054920</id>
	<title>Re:Pulse Pen</title>
	<author>iamhassi</author>
	<datestamp>1265538060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The <a href="http://www.livescribe.com/store/20070723002/p-227.htm" title="livescribe.com">$150 Livescribe Smartpen</a> [livescribe.com] <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=290396757553#ht\_721wt\_1085" title="ebay.com">already exceeds the price of a tablet pc</a> [ebay.com].  Not only that, but the <a href="http://www.livescribe.com/store/20070723002/p-193.htm" title="livescribe.com">Smartpen requires $5 notebooks to work</a> [livescribe.com]
<br> <br>
The Livescribe Smartpen would probably make a good alternative if you're in a class that forbids laptops or don't have access to a power outlet since this <a href="http://pocketnow.com/review/livescribe-pulse-smartpen" title="pocketnow.com">review claims it'll last over a week between charges</a> [pocketnow.com], but I can't see spending $150 on a pen when you can buy a fully functional Tablet PC for about the same price.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The $ 150 Livescribe Smartpen [ livescribe.com ] already exceeds the price of a tablet pc [ ebay.com ] .
Not only that , but the Smartpen requires $ 5 notebooks to work [ livescribe.com ] The Livescribe Smartpen would probably make a good alternative if you 're in a class that forbids laptops or do n't have access to a power outlet since this review claims it 'll last over a week between charges [ pocketnow.com ] , but I ca n't see spending $ 150 on a pen when you can buy a fully functional Tablet PC for about the same price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The $150 Livescribe Smartpen [livescribe.com] already exceeds the price of a tablet pc [ebay.com].
Not only that, but the Smartpen requires $5 notebooks to work [livescribe.com]
 
The Livescribe Smartpen would probably make a good alternative if you're in a class that forbids laptops or don't have access to a power outlet since this review claims it'll last over a week between charges [pocketnow.com], but I can't see spending $150 on a pen when you can buy a fully functional Tablet PC for about the same price.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054600</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057232</id>
	<title>Pen vs Notebook/Netbook/ Tablet</title>
	<author>PCWizardsinc</author>
	<datestamp>1265557560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Having tried working with Tablets to take notes, there are some distinct problems...The primary problem with tablets, and I am sure it will be so with the Apple tablet, it that when you want to take notes, you apply some amount of pressure with your palm on the writing surface, and the remainder applied at the stylus point to take down what you are copying.  The two points of pressure, one general and one specific throw off the tablets touch surface, and the software loses track of everything... Another issue is calibration... for whatever reason, the tablet PC's lose track of where the stylus is touching the screen, sometimes it's off 1/16, sometimes it can be off as much as 1/4".  It's annoying at best to work around these kind of issues...  I think that a keyboard for text only notes is still the best... and if diagrams or pictures are involved, pen and paper can't be beat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Having tried working with Tablets to take notes , there are some distinct problems...The primary problem with tablets , and I am sure it will be so with the Apple tablet , it that when you want to take notes , you apply some amount of pressure with your palm on the writing surface , and the remainder applied at the stylus point to take down what you are copying .
The two points of pressure , one general and one specific throw off the tablets touch surface , and the software loses track of everything... Another issue is calibration... for whatever reason , the tablet PC 's lose track of where the stylus is touching the screen , sometimes it 's off 1/16 , sometimes it can be off as much as 1/4 " .
It 's annoying at best to work around these kind of issues... I think that a keyboard for text only notes is still the best... and if diagrams or pictures are involved , pen and paper ca n't be beat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having tried working with Tablets to take notes, there are some distinct problems...The primary problem with tablets, and I am sure it will be so with the Apple tablet, it that when you want to take notes, you apply some amount of pressure with your palm on the writing surface, and the remainder applied at the stylus point to take down what you are copying.
The two points of pressure, one general and one specific throw off the tablets touch surface, and the software loses track of everything... Another issue is calibration... for whatever reason, the tablet PC's lose track of where the stylus is touching the screen, sometimes it's off 1/16, sometimes it can be off as much as 1/4".
It's annoying at best to work around these kind of issues...  I think that a keyboard for text only notes is still the best... and if diagrams or pictures are involved, pen and paper can't be beat.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31059774</id>
	<title>Re:At Law School...</title>
	<author>mcoon</author>
	<datestamp>1265638080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You know, I often wonder if commenters such as this one who claim that they can get much more information down on a keyboard than they can writing say so because they can't write in cursive. For myself, I know that my printing is at least half as fast as my writing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , I often wonder if commenters such as this one who claim that they can get much more information down on a keyboard than they can writing say so because they ca n't write in cursive .
For myself , I know that my printing is at least half as fast as my writing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, I often wonder if commenters such as this one who claim that they can get much more information down on a keyboard than they can writing say so because they can't write in cursive.
For myself, I know that my printing is at least half as fast as my writing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054696</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055480</id>
	<title>Take a picture</title>
	<author>EEPROMS</author>
	<datestamp>1265541600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>I found myself cursing at not being able to copy the diagram on the board.</i> <br> <br>I used to have the same problem until I remembered I had a camera in my mobile phone. I use a netbook for note taking these days and when I take a picture I just put a shorthand note in the text regarding when I took the picture of the diagram. Between classes I tidy my notes up and past the image in. What would be a better fix (something missing on the iPad) is a webcam that can be turned to look forwards or backwards on a tablet or netbook.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I found myself cursing at not being able to copy the diagram on the board .
I used to have the same problem until I remembered I had a camera in my mobile phone .
I use a netbook for note taking these days and when I take a picture I just put a shorthand note in the text regarding when I took the picture of the diagram .
Between classes I tidy my notes up and past the image in .
What would be a better fix ( something missing on the iPad ) is a webcam that can be turned to look forwards or backwards on a tablet or netbook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I found myself cursing at not being able to copy the diagram on the board.
I used to have the same problem until I remembered I had a camera in my mobile phone.
I use a netbook for note taking these days and when I take a picture I just put a shorthand note in the text regarding when I took the picture of the diagram.
Between classes I tidy my notes up and past the image in.
What would be a better fix (something missing on the iPad) is a webcam that can be turned to look forwards or backwards on a tablet or netbook.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31074298</id>
	<title>It depends on the notes</title>
	<author>Arioch of Chaos</author>
	<datestamp>1265739720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Personally, my main subjects have been law, languages and literature. I rarely had to draw diagrams etc, it was all text. In this case a laptop (or a PDA with a good folding keyboard like my original Palm Portable Keyboard) is ideal. It's just so much faster to type and it requires much less effort. As an added bonus, you can actually read the notes afterwards.

I don't consider myself super fast but in most situations I can write down word for word what someone says. It doesn't require much concentration and I can sort of bypass the brain so I can reflect on the things said as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , my main subjects have been law , languages and literature .
I rarely had to draw diagrams etc , it was all text .
In this case a laptop ( or a PDA with a good folding keyboard like my original Palm Portable Keyboard ) is ideal .
It 's just so much faster to type and it requires much less effort .
As an added bonus , you can actually read the notes afterwards .
I do n't consider myself super fast but in most situations I can write down word for word what someone says .
It does n't require much concentration and I can sort of bypass the brain so I can reflect on the things said as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, my main subjects have been law, languages and literature.
I rarely had to draw diagrams etc, it was all text.
In this case a laptop (or a PDA with a good folding keyboard like my original Palm Portable Keyboard) is ideal.
It's just so much faster to type and it requires much less effort.
As an added bonus, you can actually read the notes afterwards.
I don't consider myself super fast but in most situations I can write down word for word what someone says.
It doesn't require much concentration and I can sort of bypass the brain so I can reflect on the things said as well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31058790</id>
	<title>Re:Notes</title>
	<author>bemymonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1265661960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using fountain pens my whole life (my Dad used 'em, so obviously as a little kid, I wanted one), and my handwriting is absolutely atrocious. Seriously, I don't know many people who can actually decipher what I write.</p><p>I know, I know, anecdotes aren't evidence, but just saying<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>As for software, I'd recommend OneNote. If you're a student you usually get it for free through MSDNAA... As for Linux, I've heard good things about Xournal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using fountain pens my whole life ( my Dad used 'em , so obviously as a little kid , I wanted one ) , and my handwriting is absolutely atrocious .
Seriously , I do n't know many people who can actually decipher what I write.I know , I know , anecdotes are n't evidence , but just saying ; ) As for software , I 'd recommend OneNote .
If you 're a student you usually get it for free through MSDNAA... As for Linux , I 've heard good things about Xournal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using fountain pens my whole life (my Dad used 'em, so obviously as a little kid, I wanted one), and my handwriting is absolutely atrocious.
Seriously, I don't know many people who can actually decipher what I write.I know, I know, anecdotes aren't evidence, but just saying ;)As for software, I'd recommend OneNote.
If you're a student you usually get it for free through MSDNAA... As for Linux, I've heard good things about Xournal.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054772</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055754</id>
	<title>do what works for you</title>
	<author>linuxtuba</author>
	<datestamp>1265543640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I take notes in LaTeX, using EMACS. I find I can keep up with any math class. Diagrams are a problem, so what I do is keep a composition book for supplementary material. Then, on my LaTeX notes I can say "see sketch 1 in composition book, 7 Feb 2010." But, you need to use trial and error, find what works for you, and do that. I find if I take notes by hand, I run the risk of falling asleep. LaTeXing the notes is fun, produces a good finished product, plus I check the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.tex into SVN and one of my colleagues will compare against his handwritten notes and make corrections. Plus, I would lose things that aren't version controlled, including most of my handwritten notes<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I take notes in LaTeX , using EMACS .
I find I can keep up with any math class .
Diagrams are a problem , so what I do is keep a composition book for supplementary material .
Then , on my LaTeX notes I can say " see sketch 1 in composition book , 7 Feb 2010 .
" But , you need to use trial and error , find what works for you , and do that .
I find if I take notes by hand , I run the risk of falling asleep .
LaTeXing the notes is fun , produces a good finished product , plus I check the .tex into SVN and one of my colleagues will compare against his handwritten notes and make corrections .
Plus , I would lose things that are n't version controlled , including most of my handwritten notes : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I take notes in LaTeX, using EMACS.
I find I can keep up with any math class.
Diagrams are a problem, so what I do is keep a composition book for supplementary material.
Then, on my LaTeX notes I can say "see sketch 1 in composition book, 7 Feb 2010.
" But, you need to use trial and error, find what works for you, and do that.
I find if I take notes by hand, I run the risk of falling asleep.
LaTeXing the notes is fun, produces a good finished product, plus I check the .tex into SVN and one of my colleagues will compare against his handwritten notes and make corrections.
Plus, I would lose things that aren't version controlled, including most of my handwritten notes :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056122</id>
	<title>Cut the fat</title>
	<author>mirix</author>
	<datestamp>1265546460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Instead of going full-bore typing, and not really absorbing the data, I prefer to read it, analyze it, and not write down the fluff. drop useless words, in my own sort of shorthand.<br> <br>
Couple that system with a 2H pencil and some graph paper, and you're laughing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of going full-bore typing , and not really absorbing the data , I prefer to read it , analyze it , and not write down the fluff .
drop useless words , in my own sort of shorthand .
Couple that system with a 2H pencil and some graph paper , and you 're laughing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of going full-bore typing, and not really absorbing the data, I prefer to read it, analyze it, and not write down the fluff.
drop useless words, in my own sort of shorthand.
Couple that system with a 2H pencil and some graph paper, and you're laughing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31058064</id>
	<title>Re:At Law School...</title>
	<author>Splab</author>
	<datestamp>1265565240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I type fast, very fast, I still however only use pen and paper for notes. Using a computer is simply too slow if I need to draw a diagram, also I find looking through notes is faster than finding it on a computer - having a set of notebooks helps looking through the design process.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I type fast , very fast , I still however only use pen and paper for notes .
Using a computer is simply too slow if I need to draw a diagram , also I find looking through notes is faster than finding it on a computer - having a set of notebooks helps looking through the design process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I type fast, very fast, I still however only use pen and paper for notes.
Using a computer is simply too slow if I need to draw a diagram, also I find looking through notes is faster than finding it on a computer - having a set of notebooks helps looking through the design process.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055420</id>
	<title>What ever</title>
	<author>pubwvj</author>
	<datestamp>1265541180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can type fast enough to keep up with a normal speaker (not auctioneer). My handwriting can't cope with the speed that people talk. For diagrams do both pen and computer perhaps, or use a drawing program. Very personal preference. We didn't have laptops when I was in school so it was moot. I used ultra-short hand and then transcribed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can type fast enough to keep up with a normal speaker ( not auctioneer ) .
My handwriting ca n't cope with the speed that people talk .
For diagrams do both pen and computer perhaps , or use a drawing program .
Very personal preference .
We did n't have laptops when I was in school so it was moot .
I used ultra-short hand and then transcribed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can type fast enough to keep up with a normal speaker (not auctioneer).
My handwriting can't cope with the speed that people talk.
For diagrams do both pen and computer perhaps, or use a drawing program.
Very personal preference.
We didn't have laptops when I was in school so it was moot.
I used ultra-short hand and then transcribed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056376</id>
	<title>Re:Tablet PC's ?</title>
	<author>GrantRobertson</author>
	<datestamp>1265549280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly!</p><p>I have been using a Tablet PC for my school notes ever since I went back to school in the summer of 2005. I use Microsoft OneNote to take all my notes in handwriting right on my laptop. I can draw a diagram anywhere I want. I can Make the "page" as big as I need, both sideways or up and down just by scrolling over there and writing something. I can later search for all of my notes because it recognizes the handwriting in the background. And I can convert that handwriting to text to put in a more organized format or send to someone else. Heck, I can even record the lecture at the same time I am taking the notes and OneNote time-stamps each thing I write so it can later go back and play back what it recorded when I wrote that thing. If you have a web-cam hooked up it will do the same with video! This way I can clarify my notes later. You show me an iAnything or NetAnything that can do that. I can make more room between things or move things around instantly. I use an Acer C300 tablet PC that was built a while back but has a 14" diagonal screen. This makes it just slightly larger than a letter sized piece of paper. It is the perfect note-taking system. And OneNote comes free on almost every Tablet PC sold now.</p><p>It just boggles my mind how something that has been around for over six years has been completely ignored by the press, the education community, and techies all over. Tablet PCs frikkin work and it is as if they don't exist just because Steve Jerk-us-around didn't keep it "secret", leak photos of it, hype it up, then eventually hold it up with a smirk on his face. How many more times is the tech community going to fall for that crap?</p><p>I am no fan of Bill Gates, but this is ridiculous. So, if the rest of you want to fumble around paying more attention to buzzwords than substance<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... go for it. I will just continue on with my "special power", kicking ass and taking notes. Bwa-ha-ha-ha!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly ! I have been using a Tablet PC for my school notes ever since I went back to school in the summer of 2005 .
I use Microsoft OneNote to take all my notes in handwriting right on my laptop .
I can draw a diagram anywhere I want .
I can Make the " page " as big as I need , both sideways or up and down just by scrolling over there and writing something .
I can later search for all of my notes because it recognizes the handwriting in the background .
And I can convert that handwriting to text to put in a more organized format or send to someone else .
Heck , I can even record the lecture at the same time I am taking the notes and OneNote time-stamps each thing I write so it can later go back and play back what it recorded when I wrote that thing .
If you have a web-cam hooked up it will do the same with video !
This way I can clarify my notes later .
You show me an iAnything or NetAnything that can do that .
I can make more room between things or move things around instantly .
I use an Acer C300 tablet PC that was built a while back but has a 14 " diagonal screen .
This makes it just slightly larger than a letter sized piece of paper .
It is the perfect note-taking system .
And OneNote comes free on almost every Tablet PC sold now.It just boggles my mind how something that has been around for over six years has been completely ignored by the press , the education community , and techies all over .
Tablet PCs frikkin work and it is as if they do n't exist just because Steve Jerk-us-around did n't keep it " secret " , leak photos of it , hype it up , then eventually hold it up with a smirk on his face .
How many more times is the tech community going to fall for that crap ? I am no fan of Bill Gates , but this is ridiculous .
So , if the rest of you want to fumble around paying more attention to buzzwords than substance ... go for it .
I will just continue on with my " special power " , kicking ass and taking notes .
Bwa-ha-ha-ha !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly!I have been using a Tablet PC for my school notes ever since I went back to school in the summer of 2005.
I use Microsoft OneNote to take all my notes in handwriting right on my laptop.
I can draw a diagram anywhere I want.
I can Make the "page" as big as I need, both sideways or up and down just by scrolling over there and writing something.
I can later search for all of my notes because it recognizes the handwriting in the background.
And I can convert that handwriting to text to put in a more organized format or send to someone else.
Heck, I can even record the lecture at the same time I am taking the notes and OneNote time-stamps each thing I write so it can later go back and play back what it recorded when I wrote that thing.
If you have a web-cam hooked up it will do the same with video!
This way I can clarify my notes later.
You show me an iAnything or NetAnything that can do that.
I can make more room between things or move things around instantly.
I use an Acer C300 tablet PC that was built a while back but has a 14" diagonal screen.
This makes it just slightly larger than a letter sized piece of paper.
It is the perfect note-taking system.
And OneNote comes free on almost every Tablet PC sold now.It just boggles my mind how something that has been around for over six years has been completely ignored by the press, the education community, and techies all over.
Tablet PCs frikkin work and it is as if they don't exist just because Steve Jerk-us-around didn't keep it "secret", leak photos of it, hype it up, then eventually hold it up with a smirk on his face.
How many more times is the tech community going to fall for that crap?I am no fan of Bill Gates, but this is ridiculous.
So, if the rest of you want to fumble around paying more attention to buzzwords than substance ... go for it.
I will just continue on with my "special power", kicking ass and taking notes.
Bwa-ha-ha-ha!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057434</id>
	<title>graph paper</title>
	<author>greywire</author>
	<datestamp>1265559480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I still find that when working out ideas, nothing beats graph paper.  Believe me, I have tried using the computer.  Once the ideas are solidified, sure, use the computer to make a pretty version.  But when taking notes, working things out, etc, you can't beat paper and pencil.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I still find that when working out ideas , nothing beats graph paper .
Believe me , I have tried using the computer .
Once the ideas are solidified , sure , use the computer to make a pretty version .
But when taking notes , working things out , etc , you ca n't beat paper and pencil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still find that when working out ideas, nothing beats graph paper.
Believe me, I have tried using the computer.
Once the ideas are solidified, sure, use the computer to make a pretty version.
But when taking notes, working things out, etc, you can't beat paper and pencil.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056296</id>
	<title>Isn't the whole lecture paradigm obsolete?</title>
	<author>Paul Fernhout</author>
	<datestamp>1265548140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What are people trying to accomplish with attending lectures and taking notes that can not be done in other ways, like watching videos or reading books? Learning by working on problem sets, or better, real world problems, drawing on digital materials you search through and read as you need (on-demand learning) seems more appropriate these days.</p><p>An essay by me on this, about the poor use of technology by schools because schools are using an obsolete social paradigm:<br>"Why Educational Technology Has Failed Schools"<br><a href="http://patapata.sourceforge.net/WhyEducationalTechnologyHasFailedSchools.html" title="sourceforge.net">http://patapata.sourceforge.net/WhyEducationalTechnologyHasFailedSchools.html</a> [sourceforge.net]</p><p>Here are lots more of my writings organizing collections of links and ideas about college issues in general:<br><a href="http://listcultures.org/pipermail/p2presearch\_listcultures.org/2009-October/005379.html" title="listcultures.org">http://listcultures.org/pipermail/p2presearch\_listcultures.org/2009-October/005379.html</a> [listcultures.org]<br><a href="http://listcultures.org/pipermail/p2presearch\_listcultures.org/2009-November/005584.html" title="listcultures.org">http://listcultures.org/pipermail/p2presearch\_listcultures.org/2009-November/005584.html</a> [listcultures.org]<br><a href="http://listcultures.org/pipermail/p2presearch\_listcultures.org/2009-November/006005.html" title="listcultures.org">http://listcultures.org/pipermail/p2presearch\_listcultures.org/2009-November/006005.html</a> [listcultures.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What are people trying to accomplish with attending lectures and taking notes that can not be done in other ways , like watching videos or reading books ?
Learning by working on problem sets , or better , real world problems , drawing on digital materials you search through and read as you need ( on-demand learning ) seems more appropriate these days.An essay by me on this , about the poor use of technology by schools because schools are using an obsolete social paradigm : " Why Educational Technology Has Failed Schools " http : //patapata.sourceforge.net/WhyEducationalTechnologyHasFailedSchools.html [ sourceforge.net ] Here are lots more of my writings organizing collections of links and ideas about college issues in general : http : //listcultures.org/pipermail/p2presearch \ _listcultures.org/2009-October/005379.html [ listcultures.org ] http : //listcultures.org/pipermail/p2presearch \ _listcultures.org/2009-November/005584.html [ listcultures.org ] http : //listcultures.org/pipermail/p2presearch \ _listcultures.org/2009-November/006005.html [ listcultures.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What are people trying to accomplish with attending lectures and taking notes that can not be done in other ways, like watching videos or reading books?
Learning by working on problem sets, or better, real world problems, drawing on digital materials you search through and read as you need (on-demand learning) seems more appropriate these days.An essay by me on this, about the poor use of technology by schools because schools are using an obsolete social paradigm:"Why Educational Technology Has Failed Schools"http://patapata.sourceforge.net/WhyEducationalTechnologyHasFailedSchools.html [sourceforge.net]Here are lots more of my writings organizing collections of links and ideas about college issues in general:http://listcultures.org/pipermail/p2presearch\_listcultures.org/2009-October/005379.html [listcultures.org]http://listcultures.org/pipermail/p2presearch\_listcultures.org/2009-November/005584.html [listcultures.org]http://listcultures.org/pipermail/p2presearch\_listcultures.org/2009-November/006005.html [listcultures.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054590</id>
	<title>Notes in a ML for CS/CSCI students</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265535780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a CS student (or in my case, Maths student), it is very simple to learn a typesetting language like LaTeX.  This is how I take my class notes, as it is fast to write and offers versatile formatting abilities.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a CS student ( or in my case , Maths student ) , it is very simple to learn a typesetting language like LaTeX .
This is how I take my class notes , as it is fast to write and offers versatile formatting abilities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a CS student (or in my case, Maths student), it is very simple to learn a typesetting language like LaTeX.
This is how I take my class notes, as it is fast to write and offers versatile formatting abilities.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055444</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>Idbar</author>
	<datestamp>1265541300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I used to take lots of notes on class. I admit I'm lazy outside class.<br>
But, I realized that classes that had slides caused me a big damage. I noticed they were so clear at the time, but when I check them later, they weren't clear anymore. I loved my own notes despite of the bad handwriting and ugly diagrams, I understood my own stuff and not the random bullets. <br> <br>
On the other hand, slides make teachers to overlook stuff. They go through the material (not necessarily well prepared), thinking that students are learning something. I will stick to chalkboard and handwritten notes.<br> <br>
I had the chance of using a smartpen recently, and I found that it would be a great idea to have all my note scanned and available on my computer when I needed. Why? for the same reason I said before, they were my own notes, my own diagrams in the way I understood them. The final implementation of the smartpen is not something I enjoy, and having to rely on their 25 page notebooks is not great. But I did the job well enough.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to take lots of notes on class .
I admit I 'm lazy outside class .
But , I realized that classes that had slides caused me a big damage .
I noticed they were so clear at the time , but when I check them later , they were n't clear anymore .
I loved my own notes despite of the bad handwriting and ugly diagrams , I understood my own stuff and not the random bullets .
On the other hand , slides make teachers to overlook stuff .
They go through the material ( not necessarily well prepared ) , thinking that students are learning something .
I will stick to chalkboard and handwritten notes .
I had the chance of using a smartpen recently , and I found that it would be a great idea to have all my note scanned and available on my computer when I needed .
Why ? for the same reason I said before , they were my own notes , my own diagrams in the way I understood them .
The final implementation of the smartpen is not something I enjoy , and having to rely on their 25 page notebooks is not great .
But I did the job well enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to take lots of notes on class.
I admit I'm lazy outside class.
But, I realized that classes that had slides caused me a big damage.
I noticed they were so clear at the time, but when I check them later, they weren't clear anymore.
I loved my own notes despite of the bad handwriting and ugly diagrams, I understood my own stuff and not the random bullets.
On the other hand, slides make teachers to overlook stuff.
They go through the material (not necessarily well prepared), thinking that students are learning something.
I will stick to chalkboard and handwritten notes.
I had the chance of using a smartpen recently, and I found that it would be a great idea to have all my note scanned and available on my computer when I needed.
Why? for the same reason I said before, they were my own notes, my own diagrams in the way I understood them.
The final implementation of the smartpen is not something I enjoy, and having to rely on their 25 page notebooks is not great.
But I did the job well enough.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055250</id>
	<title>Art History</title>
	<author>kitsunewarlock</author>
	<datestamp>1265540040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I find the laptop superior in Art History classes (unless I get distracted by the internet).  It helps me google search for things while the teacher is talking (especially the artwork in question if the projector is off color or blurry or someone is sitting in front of me since I have to come to class barely on time due to my schedule which is cramped due to budget cuts).
<br>
It also helps clarify when the teacher slurs words and you don't want to slow down the rest of the class because your not sure if you were the only one who couldn't understand "this was painted in nineteen sixty blehd..."</htmltext>
<tokenext>I find the laptop superior in Art History classes ( unless I get distracted by the internet ) .
It helps me google search for things while the teacher is talking ( especially the artwork in question if the projector is off color or blurry or someone is sitting in front of me since I have to come to class barely on time due to my schedule which is cramped due to budget cuts ) .
It also helps clarify when the teacher slurs words and you do n't want to slow down the rest of the class because your not sure if you were the only one who could n't understand " this was painted in nineteen sixty blehd... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find the laptop superior in Art History classes (unless I get distracted by the internet).
It helps me google search for things while the teacher is talking (especially the artwork in question if the projector is off color or blurry or someone is sitting in front of me since I have to come to class barely on time due to my schedule which is cramped due to budget cuts).
It also helps clarify when the teacher slurs words and you don't want to slow down the rest of the class because your not sure if you were the only one who couldn't understand "this was painted in nineteen sixty blehd..."</sentencetext>
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	<title>Silly tags</title>
	<author>Myion</author>
	<datestamp>1265662620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Penis mightier?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Penis mightier ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Penis mightier?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057534</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265560440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about NOT taking notes, but spending the time fully concentrating on what the professor is saying, and asking questions when you don't understand?  It's how school for intelligent people USED to be, and is a much better learning environment for everyone.  Forget about memorization of stupid facts, they can be googled in the future.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about NOT taking notes , but spending the time fully concentrating on what the professor is saying , and asking questions when you do n't understand ?
It 's how school for intelligent people USED to be , and is a much better learning environment for everyone .
Forget about memorization of stupid facts , they can be googled in the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about NOT taking notes, but spending the time fully concentrating on what the professor is saying, and asking questions when you don't understand?
It's how school for intelligent people USED to be, and is a much better learning environment for everyone.
Forget about memorization of stupid facts, they can be googled in the future.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Another data point...</title>
	<author>Revotron</author>
	<datestamp>1265628720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're a university math professor (meaning you either have your Masters or PhD depending on the institution)...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...and you still somehow believe that correlation implies causation?  And on top of that you're going to take one single point of data, and use it to build yourself a graph?

<a href="http://xkcd.com/605/" title="xkcd.com" rel="nofollow">http://xkcd.com/605/</a> [xkcd.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're a university math professor ( meaning you either have your Masters or PhD depending on the institution ) ... ...and you still somehow believe that correlation implies causation ?
And on top of that you 're going to take one single point of data , and use it to build yourself a graph ?
http : //xkcd.com/605/ [ xkcd.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're a university math professor (meaning you either have your Masters or PhD depending on the institution)... ...and you still somehow believe that correlation implies causation?
And on top of that you're going to take one single point of data, and use it to build yourself a graph?
http://xkcd.com/605/ [xkcd.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057866</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>Orp</author>
	<datestamp>1265563440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Professors should post their slides on the web, and students should spend their time listening, thinking, and asking questions instead of writing. Anything less and students become mere stenographers, only retaining long enough to commit to paper.</i></p><p>You are assuming we all lecture from that awful abomination known as PowerPoint.</p><p>For some of my classes that works fine, and I do post them when I use them.</p><p>For thermodynamics it doesn't. You're going to have to watch me work through the equations on the whiteboard, and that's from paper notes and my head.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Professors should post their slides on the web , and students should spend their time listening , thinking , and asking questions instead of writing .
Anything less and students become mere stenographers , only retaining long enough to commit to paper.You are assuming we all lecture from that awful abomination known as PowerPoint.For some of my classes that works fine , and I do post them when I use them.For thermodynamics it does n't .
You 're going to have to watch me work through the equations on the whiteboard , and that 's from paper notes and my head .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Professors should post their slides on the web, and students should spend their time listening, thinking, and asking questions instead of writing.
Anything less and students become mere stenographers, only retaining long enough to commit to paper.You are assuming we all lecture from that awful abomination known as PowerPoint.For some of my classes that works fine, and I do post them when I use them.For thermodynamics it doesn't.
You're going to have to watch me work through the equations on the whiteboard, and that's from paper notes and my head.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054896</id>
	<title>Smart Phone</title>
	<author>ryanisflyboy</author>
	<datestamp>1265537940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My cell phone is probably the single most important tool I use every day, for such occasions as:<br>- Using the camera to take a pic of the whiteboard, and sending it to everyone.<br>- Using the audio recorder to record a conversation or lecture in detail.<br>- Sending tweets as a to-do list.<br>- Shared calender functions let me set up meetings with people.<br>- Video recorder is available if I want to grab a clip off a multi-media presentation or demo.<br>- Using IM features to quickly touch others for information.<br>- Using google maps and GPS to see satellite overhead of where I'm at.<br>- Adding contact information for new people I meet.<br>- Making phone calls.<br>- Driving car salesmen crazy.</p><p>All in a pocket sized device with about 3-4 days of battery life. Oh, it syncs with the bluetooth in my car. Plays music. Is extendable by adding new apps. Works just about anywhere (wi-fi FTW!). And lots more. Future features look even more useful.</p><p>Just be sure to drop it in to silence mode before sitting in a meeting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My cell phone is probably the single most important tool I use every day , for such occasions as : - Using the camera to take a pic of the whiteboard , and sending it to everyone.- Using the audio recorder to record a conversation or lecture in detail.- Sending tweets as a to-do list.- Shared calender functions let me set up meetings with people.- Video recorder is available if I want to grab a clip off a multi-media presentation or demo.- Using IM features to quickly touch others for information.- Using google maps and GPS to see satellite overhead of where I 'm at.- Adding contact information for new people I meet.- Making phone calls.- Driving car salesmen crazy.All in a pocket sized device with about 3-4 days of battery life .
Oh , it syncs with the bluetooth in my car .
Plays music .
Is extendable by adding new apps .
Works just about anywhere ( wi-fi FTW ! ) .
And lots more .
Future features look even more useful.Just be sure to drop it in to silence mode before sitting in a meeting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My cell phone is probably the single most important tool I use every day, for such occasions as:- Using the camera to take a pic of the whiteboard, and sending it to everyone.- Using the audio recorder to record a conversation or lecture in detail.- Sending tweets as a to-do list.- Shared calender functions let me set up meetings with people.- Video recorder is available if I want to grab a clip off a multi-media presentation or demo.- Using IM features to quickly touch others for information.- Using google maps and GPS to see satellite overhead of where I'm at.- Adding contact information for new people I meet.- Making phone calls.- Driving car salesmen crazy.All in a pocket sized device with about 3-4 days of battery life.
Oh, it syncs with the bluetooth in my car.
Plays music.
Is extendable by adding new apps.
Works just about anywhere (wi-fi FTW!).
And lots more.
Future features look even more useful.Just be sure to drop it in to silence mode before sitting in a meeting.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055684</id>
	<title>Pen and paper, all the way!</title>
	<author>spaceyhackerlady</author>
	<datestamp>1265543100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The best datum I can offer is a course I took a few years ago on error control coding.

</p><p>Each week the prof got somebody to volunteer to take very good notes, type them up in LaTeX, then
he would distribute them to the rest of the class for reference. The "scribe", as he called the role, got extra credit.
The week I volunteered to be scribe it took 8 hours to turn 2 hours of lectures in to something presentable and machine-readable. This included
28 diagrams in Xfig, plus numerous equations.

</p><p>I started a night school course last week (private pilot ground school, if you're curious).
My notes are by hand, plus some highlighter work in the textbooks.
I haven't the slightest interest in transcribing them. Why would I? They're
<em>my</em> notes, written by me.

</p><p>Old-tech really is the best tech some times.

</p><p>...laura</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best datum I can offer is a course I took a few years ago on error control coding .
Each week the prof got somebody to volunteer to take very good notes , type them up in LaTeX , then he would distribute them to the rest of the class for reference .
The " scribe " , as he called the role , got extra credit .
The week I volunteered to be scribe it took 8 hours to turn 2 hours of lectures in to something presentable and machine-readable .
This included 28 diagrams in Xfig , plus numerous equations .
I started a night school course last week ( private pilot ground school , if you 're curious ) .
My notes are by hand , plus some highlighter work in the textbooks .
I have n't the slightest interest in transcribing them .
Why would I ?
They 're my notes , written by me .
Old-tech really is the best tech some times .
...laura</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best datum I can offer is a course I took a few years ago on error control coding.
Each week the prof got somebody to volunteer to take very good notes, type them up in LaTeX, then
he would distribute them to the rest of the class for reference.
The "scribe", as he called the role, got extra credit.
The week I volunteered to be scribe it took 8 hours to turn 2 hours of lectures in to something presentable and machine-readable.
This included
28 diagrams in Xfig, plus numerous equations.
I started a night school course last week (private pilot ground school, if you're curious).
My notes are by hand, plus some highlighter work in the textbooks.
I haven't the slightest interest in transcribing them.
Why would I?
They're
my notes, written by me.
Old-tech really is the best tech some times.
...laura</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055076</id>
	<title>Use a desktop wiki</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265539200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been using <a href="http://mwolson.org/projects/EmacsMuse.html" title="mwolson.org" rel="nofollow">muse </a> [mwolson.org], a hypertext system or desktop wiki, for a while now. Advantage: everything I ever write down stays with me. I can search it, plot a "mind map" of everything I ever learned, etc...</p><p>Notes on paper? I will never bother to look at them again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been using muse [ mwolson.org ] , a hypertext system or desktop wiki , for a while now .
Advantage : everything I ever write down stays with me .
I can search it , plot a " mind map " of everything I ever learned , etc...Notes on paper ?
I will never bother to look at them again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been using muse  [mwolson.org], a hypertext system or desktop wiki, for a while now.
Advantage: everything I ever write down stays with me.
I can search it, plot a "mind map" of everything I ever learned, etc...Notes on paper?
I will never bother to look at them again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31060638</id>
	<title>math entry systems are clumsy</title>
	<author>peter303</author>
	<datestamp>1265645700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You need exotic symbols and shift movements to accurately copy math.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You need exotic symbols and shift movements to accurately copy math .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You need exotic symbols and shift movements to accurately copy math.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054556</id>
	<title>Notebooks + paper are the key</title>
	<author>frying\_fish</author>
	<datestamp>1265535600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>During my undergraduate physics degree I started by taking notes on paper, however I started to notice I was struggling to read my handwriting. I soon moved onto typing notes, in openoffice, using its built in equation editor, and attempting to draw diagrams with a stylus on a graphics tablet.

After a year of doing this I realised it was a bit of a struggle to keep up, but in the mean time had learnt LaTeX.  Then I stumbled upon an even better solution, type the notes (and equations - managing to keep up with the lecturer), and leave a space in the notes for the diagrams (i.e. setup the environment and name them in ascending order fig1, fig2 etc), but draw the diagrams manually on paper. Then I could copy the diagram at a later point into the LaTeX document using the graphics package of my choice (and for the particle physics module, feynmf for LaTeX proved particularly helpful).


It is actually possible to keep up with the lecturer, so long as you reach the point that when typing you don't have to think about what your typing for things such as \alpha and so on. You also have to be fairly accurate with your typing, and be able to visualise how the notes are going to look without compiling them.


Overall, if you don't think yourself capable of that, stick to pen and paper, if you do and you have troubles reading your own handwriting when trying to scribble quickly (I can type much faster than I can write legibly), then it is worth looking into.</htmltext>
<tokenext>During my undergraduate physics degree I started by taking notes on paper , however I started to notice I was struggling to read my handwriting .
I soon moved onto typing notes , in openoffice , using its built in equation editor , and attempting to draw diagrams with a stylus on a graphics tablet .
After a year of doing this I realised it was a bit of a struggle to keep up , but in the mean time had learnt LaTeX .
Then I stumbled upon an even better solution , type the notes ( and equations - managing to keep up with the lecturer ) , and leave a space in the notes for the diagrams ( i.e .
setup the environment and name them in ascending order fig1 , fig2 etc ) , but draw the diagrams manually on paper .
Then I could copy the diagram at a later point into the LaTeX document using the graphics package of my choice ( and for the particle physics module , feynmf for LaTeX proved particularly helpful ) .
It is actually possible to keep up with the lecturer , so long as you reach the point that when typing you do n't have to think about what your typing for things such as \ alpha and so on .
You also have to be fairly accurate with your typing , and be able to visualise how the notes are going to look without compiling them .
Overall , if you do n't think yourself capable of that , stick to pen and paper , if you do and you have troubles reading your own handwriting when trying to scribble quickly ( I can type much faster than I can write legibly ) , then it is worth looking into .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>During my undergraduate physics degree I started by taking notes on paper, however I started to notice I was struggling to read my handwriting.
I soon moved onto typing notes, in openoffice, using its built in equation editor, and attempting to draw diagrams with a stylus on a graphics tablet.
After a year of doing this I realised it was a bit of a struggle to keep up, but in the mean time had learnt LaTeX.
Then I stumbled upon an even better solution, type the notes (and equations - managing to keep up with the lecturer), and leave a space in the notes for the diagrams (i.e.
setup the environment and name them in ascending order fig1, fig2 etc), but draw the diagrams manually on paper.
Then I could copy the diagram at a later point into the LaTeX document using the graphics package of my choice (and for the particle physics module, feynmf for LaTeX proved particularly helpful).
It is actually possible to keep up with the lecturer, so long as you reach the point that when typing you don't have to think about what your typing for things such as \alpha and so on.
You also have to be fairly accurate with your typing, and be able to visualise how the notes are going to look without compiling them.
Overall, if you don't think yourself capable of that, stick to pen and paper, if you do and you have troubles reading your own handwriting when trying to scribble quickly (I can type much faster than I can write legibly), then it is worth looking into.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054648</id>
	<title>Re:Notes</title>
	<author>MikeFM</author>
	<datestamp>1265536140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can type on my iTouch as fast as most people type on a computer (which is faster than most people write) so I'll be surprised if i cant do the same on an iPad. Get a stylus for your iPad (yeah it's a little annoying it isn't included but whatever) and draw diagrams and stuff and you're probably set. If you just can't type by muscle memory without having a touch keyboard then maybe add a bluetooth keyboard. Add in the ability to record the audio and you can probably get some pretty good notes.

I don't buy the handwriting being better for memory. It's probably just whatever you're used to. I always type my notes on my laptop and I find it less distracting than writing. The diagram thing is a point but having a screen you can draw on would take care of it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can type on my iTouch as fast as most people type on a computer ( which is faster than most people write ) so I 'll be surprised if i cant do the same on an iPad .
Get a stylus for your iPad ( yeah it 's a little annoying it is n't included but whatever ) and draw diagrams and stuff and you 're probably set .
If you just ca n't type by muscle memory without having a touch keyboard then maybe add a bluetooth keyboard .
Add in the ability to record the audio and you can probably get some pretty good notes .
I do n't buy the handwriting being better for memory .
It 's probably just whatever you 're used to .
I always type my notes on my laptop and I find it less distracting than writing .
The diagram thing is a point but having a screen you can draw on would take care of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can type on my iTouch as fast as most people type on a computer (which is faster than most people write) so I'll be surprised if i cant do the same on an iPad.
Get a stylus for your iPad (yeah it's a little annoying it isn't included but whatever) and draw diagrams and stuff and you're probably set.
If you just can't type by muscle memory without having a touch keyboard then maybe add a bluetooth keyboard.
Add in the ability to record the audio and you can probably get some pretty good notes.
I don't buy the handwriting being better for memory.
It's probably just whatever you're used to.
I always type my notes on my laptop and I find it less distracting than writing.
The diagram thing is a point but having a screen you can draw on would take care of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055530</id>
	<title>Re:At Law School...</title>
	<author>Zerth</author>
	<datestamp>1265541900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Just try taking notes on a free body diagram or a server/client state flowchart with your laptop. Unless you've got a Wacom or something, it just can't be done.</p></div></blockquote><p>Or you could just take a picture of it...  I could usually get a decent pic with my cellphone and bluetooth it over.</p><p>And from the nosebleed seats, if I could stabilize my arm on the seat in front of me, I frequently got a better look with the optical zoom than with my eyes.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just try taking notes on a free body diagram or a server/client state flowchart with your laptop .
Unless you 've got a Wacom or something , it just ca n't be done.Or you could just take a picture of it... I could usually get a decent pic with my cellphone and bluetooth it over.And from the nosebleed seats , if I could stabilize my arm on the seat in front of me , I frequently got a better look with the optical zoom than with my eyes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just try taking notes on a free body diagram or a server/client state flowchart with your laptop.
Unless you've got a Wacom or something, it just can't be done.Or you could just take a picture of it...  I could usually get a decent pic with my cellphone and bluetooth it over.And from the nosebleed seats, if I could stabilize my arm on the seat in front of me, I frequently got a better look with the optical zoom than with my eyes.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31061960</id>
	<title>Re:Another data point...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265652480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At the other extreme, I am a math major at a university, and have had no problems taking notes in a basic latex editor for any of my math classes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At the other extreme , I am a math major at a university , and have had no problems taking notes in a basic latex editor for any of my math classes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the other extreme, I am a math major at a university, and have had no problems taking notes in a basic latex editor for any of my math classes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054542</id>
	<title>Well. . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265535480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not in a science major so there are few times when diagrams are important. If they where, I would probably take my PnS camera with me to class and just take pictures. I do still cary paper and pen because there is written work that is done in class sometimes so about the only other thing I can say is, learn to paraphrase and to only write what is important(not everything the prof. says or presents).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not in a science major so there are few times when diagrams are important .
If they where , I would probably take my PnS camera with me to class and just take pictures .
I do still cary paper and pen because there is written work that is done in class sometimes so about the only other thing I can say is , learn to paraphrase and to only write what is important ( not everything the prof. says or presents ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not in a science major so there are few times when diagrams are important.
If they where, I would probably take my PnS camera with me to class and just take pictures.
I do still cary paper and pen because there is written work that is done in class sometimes so about the only other thing I can say is, learn to paraphrase and to only write what is important(not everything the prof. says or presents).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055072</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>nlawalker</author>
	<datestamp>1265539200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not everyone learns and retains information the same way as you.</p><p>If you were to look at me attending a lecture, I can tell you that if I'm keeping my eyes on the prof's face for the whole lecture, I'm essentially asleep with my eyes open. If I'm taking notes, I'm processing what he's saying.</p><p>If I'm taking notes on a laptop, triply so, because I can type fast enough to essentially have a conversation with myself. If I'm doing 100 WPM on a laptop instead of being chained to a pen and paper, I'm restating ideas in different language and making analogies. I'm making the connection, having the 'aha' moment if you will, which is likely a state I am going to fall out of as I leave class. When I read the pages of notes I have later on, I can rebuild that scaffolding in my mind and find my way back there. When I do, I'll take notes on my notes or work example problems to strengthen my connection to that state for that specific topic and make it more permanent.</p><p>This is how I take notes and learn from lectures: lots and lots of words, stating and restating ideas, over and over, to "save state." Eventually, by working enough while in that state, I don't have to manually load it anymore.</p><p>Do I read the textbook too, and learn from it? Of course I do. That's another kind of studying altogether, not necessarily better or worse than lectures (although it may be for some people). Lecture, for me, is one type of learning/study, and I get the most out of it by taking copious notes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not everyone learns and retains information the same way as you.If you were to look at me attending a lecture , I can tell you that if I 'm keeping my eyes on the prof 's face for the whole lecture , I 'm essentially asleep with my eyes open .
If I 'm taking notes , I 'm processing what he 's saying.If I 'm taking notes on a laptop , triply so , because I can type fast enough to essentially have a conversation with myself .
If I 'm doing 100 WPM on a laptop instead of being chained to a pen and paper , I 'm restating ideas in different language and making analogies .
I 'm making the connection , having the 'aha ' moment if you will , which is likely a state I am going to fall out of as I leave class .
When I read the pages of notes I have later on , I can rebuild that scaffolding in my mind and find my way back there .
When I do , I 'll take notes on my notes or work example problems to strengthen my connection to that state for that specific topic and make it more permanent.This is how I take notes and learn from lectures : lots and lots of words , stating and restating ideas , over and over , to " save state .
" Eventually , by working enough while in that state , I do n't have to manually load it anymore.Do I read the textbook too , and learn from it ?
Of course I do .
That 's another kind of studying altogether , not necessarily better or worse than lectures ( although it may be for some people ) .
Lecture , for me , is one type of learning/study , and I get the most out of it by taking copious notes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not everyone learns and retains information the same way as you.If you were to look at me attending a lecture, I can tell you that if I'm keeping my eyes on the prof's face for the whole lecture, I'm essentially asleep with my eyes open.
If I'm taking notes, I'm processing what he's saying.If I'm taking notes on a laptop, triply so, because I can type fast enough to essentially have a conversation with myself.
If I'm doing 100 WPM on a laptop instead of being chained to a pen and paper, I'm restating ideas in different language and making analogies.
I'm making the connection, having the 'aha' moment if you will, which is likely a state I am going to fall out of as I leave class.
When I read the pages of notes I have later on, I can rebuild that scaffolding in my mind and find my way back there.
When I do, I'll take notes on my notes or work example problems to strengthen my connection to that state for that specific topic and make it more permanent.This is how I take notes and learn from lectures: lots and lots of words, stating and restating ideas, over and over, to "save state.
" Eventually, by working enough while in that state, I don't have to manually load it anymore.Do I read the textbook too, and learn from it?
Of course I do.
That's another kind of studying altogether, not necessarily better or worse than lectures (although it may be for some people).
Lecture, for me, is one type of learning/study, and I get the most out of it by taking copious notes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31059046</id>
	<title>Re:Notebooks + paper are the key</title>
	<author>u38cg</author>
	<datestamp>1265623920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I mentioned elsewhere in the thread that I've steered a couple of folks onto using LyX for this.  With a little knowledge of the underlying LaTeX, it's pretty easy to keep up, and diagrams are easily done by hand and cross-referenced.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mentioned elsewhere in the thread that I 've steered a couple of folks onto using LyX for this .
With a little knowledge of the underlying LaTeX , it 's pretty easy to keep up , and diagrams are easily done by hand and cross-referenced .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mentioned elsewhere in the thread that I've steered a couple of folks onto using LyX for this.
With a little knowledge of the underlying LaTeX, it's pretty easy to keep up, and diagrams are easily done by hand and cross-referenced.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055360</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>AtomicJake</author>
	<datestamp>1265540820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I completely agree and did so during my classes - it worked very well.  With one exception:Your rule 2 should be relaxed to actually take notes, but only for those parts that you want to look into after the lecture.  Those notes tend to be just keywords, annotations or sometimes a surprising graph etc. - but is helps a lot to have a second look on the surprising facts some hours after the lecture (if you wait until end of the term their value will be most probably void).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I completely agree and did so during my classes - it worked very well .
With one exception : Your rule 2 should be relaxed to actually take notes , but only for those parts that you want to look into after the lecture .
Those notes tend to be just keywords , annotations or sometimes a surprising graph etc .
- but is helps a lot to have a second look on the surprising facts some hours after the lecture ( if you wait until end of the term their value will be most probably void ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I completely agree and did so during my classes - it worked very well.
With one exception:Your rule 2 should be relaxed to actually take notes, but only for those parts that you want to look into after the lecture.
Those notes tend to be just keywords, annotations or sometimes a surprising graph etc.
- but is helps a lot to have a second look on the surprising facts some hours after the lecture (if you wait until end of the term their value will be most probably void).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055850</id>
	<title>Pens getting the upgrade?</title>
	<author>Hausx</author>
	<datestamp>1265544300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pens are getting better, there are now some pretty good options for recording/writing at the same time and uploading this to your computer later in pdf/audio/video.  For example you can checkout Pulse Livescribe.  I would like to see a product with Linux support though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pens are getting better , there are now some pretty good options for recording/writing at the same time and uploading this to your computer later in pdf/audio/video .
For example you can checkout Pulse Livescribe .
I would like to see a product with Linux support though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pens are getting better, there are now some pretty good options for recording/writing at the same time and uploading this to your computer later in pdf/audio/video.
For example you can checkout Pulse Livescribe.
I would like to see a product with Linux support though.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055096</id>
	<title>Re:Notes</title>
	<author>Barny</author>
	<datestamp>1265539320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yup, you can get a larger battery for that one that will let the thing go for roughly 8 hours or so (on high performance setting).</p><p>Love my TM2, does everything I need a tablet to do, and everything I need a laptop for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup , you can get a larger battery for that one that will let the thing go for roughly 8 hours or so ( on high performance setting ) .Love my TM2 , does everything I need a tablet to do , and everything I need a laptop for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup, you can get a larger battery for that one that will let the thing go for roughly 8 hours or so (on high performance setting).Love my TM2, does everything I need a tablet to do, and everything I need a laptop for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055620</id>
	<title>Laptops are just fine</title>
	<author>Teikalen</author>
	<datestamp>1265542500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I found that a small digital camera solved the diagram issue just fine. 5 minutes later at night to integrate the image with my notes and I was ready to go, and it encouraged me to actually re-read my notes. Highlighting or back-editing is easier, making study guides is a snap, I can tap-tap much faster than I can scribble-scribble and since my writing hasn't improved since grade-10 Chem class when I started writing in all-caps, (and it still looks like a composition of someone in grade-4), I actually CAN read, study and share my notes.  Go laptop, go!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I found that a small digital camera solved the diagram issue just fine .
5 minutes later at night to integrate the image with my notes and I was ready to go , and it encouraged me to actually re-read my notes .
Highlighting or back-editing is easier , making study guides is a snap , I can tap-tap much faster than I can scribble-scribble and since my writing has n't improved since grade-10 Chem class when I started writing in all-caps , ( and it still looks like a composition of someone in grade-4 ) , I actually CAN read , study and share my notes .
Go laptop , go !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I found that a small digital camera solved the diagram issue just fine.
5 minutes later at night to integrate the image with my notes and I was ready to go, and it encouraged me to actually re-read my notes.
Highlighting or back-editing is easier, making study guides is a snap, I can tap-tap much faster than I can scribble-scribble and since my writing hasn't improved since grade-10 Chem class when I started writing in all-caps, (and it still looks like a composition of someone in grade-4), I actually CAN read, study and share my notes.
Go laptop, go!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054462</id>
	<title>Notes</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1265535060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Taking notes on notepad/netbook is an extremely good idea, and now with WiFi's and 3G's everywhere, you can also chat, email, post insightful posts to slashdot, and go raid in World of Warcraft all at the same time. It also lets you work on your latest coding project or post updates to facebook and twitter. If you're getting hungry towards end of the class, you can just use Google Maps to search for some good pizza joint nearby.</p><p>Oh notes.. "what notes? I was a little bit busy online..."</p><p>But what does iPad have to do with this? Even if we ignore the fact that iPad doesn't even have a stylus, writing with such is laggy and just messes up the text. You write a lot better on paper. The technology isn't there just yet.</p><p>And then theres the thing that with your written notes you're more likely to actually read them again. Write them on computer and you just shove them to some obscure location and never read them again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Taking notes on notepad/netbook is an extremely good idea , and now with WiFi 's and 3G 's everywhere , you can also chat , email , post insightful posts to slashdot , and go raid in World of Warcraft all at the same time .
It also lets you work on your latest coding project or post updates to facebook and twitter .
If you 're getting hungry towards end of the class , you can just use Google Maps to search for some good pizza joint nearby.Oh notes.. " what notes ?
I was a little bit busy online... " But what does iPad have to do with this ?
Even if we ignore the fact that iPad does n't even have a stylus , writing with such is laggy and just messes up the text .
You write a lot better on paper .
The technology is n't there just yet.And then theres the thing that with your written notes you 're more likely to actually read them again .
Write them on computer and you just shove them to some obscure location and never read them again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Taking notes on notepad/netbook is an extremely good idea, and now with WiFi's and 3G's everywhere, you can also chat, email, post insightful posts to slashdot, and go raid in World of Warcraft all at the same time.
It also lets you work on your latest coding project or post updates to facebook and twitter.
If you're getting hungry towards end of the class, you can just use Google Maps to search for some good pizza joint nearby.Oh notes.. "what notes?
I was a little bit busy online..."But what does iPad have to do with this?
Even if we ignore the fact that iPad doesn't even have a stylus, writing with such is laggy and just messes up the text.
You write a lot better on paper.
The technology isn't there just yet.And then theres the thing that with your written notes you're more likely to actually read them again.
Write them on computer and you just shove them to some obscure location and never read them again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055578</id>
	<title>Same</title>
	<author>Arancaytar</author>
	<datestamp>1265542260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't actually have a netbook right now, but even when I get one, I will be taking hand-written notes.</p><p>My attention span is too short when faced with a computer, let alone an internet connection. It's bad enough that while taking those handwritten notes, I'll start writing out something unrelated and lose the thread; if I were able to check my email or look up stuff on Google, I might as well not attend the lecture at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't actually have a netbook right now , but even when I get one , I will be taking hand-written notes.My attention span is too short when faced with a computer , let alone an internet connection .
It 's bad enough that while taking those handwritten notes , I 'll start writing out something unrelated and lose the thread ; if I were able to check my email or look up stuff on Google , I might as well not attend the lecture at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't actually have a netbook right now, but even when I get one, I will be taking hand-written notes.My attention span is too short when faced with a computer, let alone an internet connection.
It's bad enough that while taking those handwritten notes, I'll start writing out something unrelated and lose the thread; if I were able to check my email or look up stuff on Google, I might as well not attend the lecture at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055294</id>
	<title>Re:Notes</title>
	<author>xaxa</author>
	<datestamp>1265540400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't want to seem like a troll, but while you did mention HP twice in your post you also said that previously you used a <b>Fountain</b> pen for note-taking.</p><p>If you know how to use a fountain pen, chances are your writing is far better than the majority of the (younger)population out there, many of whom have never even seen a fountain pen.</p></div><p>I was required to use a fountain pen at school, along with most other British children. I doubt much has changed in the last decade, since the stationery section of most shops still stocks a wide selection, and replacement ink cartridges are on sale at supermarkets.</p><p>I "rebelled" and used a ball-point pen once I was about 15, but I think the extra pressure required to write with it gave me a callus on my finger. It's gone now, since I don't write much any more.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't want to seem like a troll , but while you did mention HP twice in your post you also said that previously you used a Fountain pen for note-taking.If you know how to use a fountain pen , chances are your writing is far better than the majority of the ( younger ) population out there , many of whom have never even seen a fountain pen.I was required to use a fountain pen at school , along with most other British children .
I doubt much has changed in the last decade , since the stationery section of most shops still stocks a wide selection , and replacement ink cartridges are on sale at supermarkets.I " rebelled " and used a ball-point pen once I was about 15 , but I think the extra pressure required to write with it gave me a callus on my finger .
It 's gone now , since I do n't write much any more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't want to seem like a troll, but while you did mention HP twice in your post you also said that previously you used a Fountain pen for note-taking.If you know how to use a fountain pen, chances are your writing is far better than the majority of the (younger)population out there, many of whom have never even seen a fountain pen.I was required to use a fountain pen at school, along with most other British children.
I doubt much has changed in the last decade, since the stationery section of most shops still stocks a wide selection, and replacement ink cartridges are on sale at supermarkets.I "rebelled" and used a ball-point pen once I was about 15, but I think the extra pressure required to write with it gave me a callus on my finger.
It's gone now, since I don't write much any more.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055300</id>
	<title>pen</title>
	<author>mcfedr</author>
	<datestamp>1265540400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>personaly, pen everytime, its distracting using a laptop, and not really much of an advantage. i also prefer to have paper notes to look though.
most my lecturers print the slide, so i can annotate them and they make good notes for revision. i see people trying to do it on their laptops but it is so limiting, you can squeeze those last few words down the side, or just diagrams, and lines all over the place...</htmltext>
<tokenext>personaly , pen everytime , its distracting using a laptop , and not really much of an advantage .
i also prefer to have paper notes to look though .
most my lecturers print the slide , so i can annotate them and they make good notes for revision .
i see people trying to do it on their laptops but it is so limiting , you can squeeze those last few words down the side , or just diagrams , and lines all over the place.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>personaly, pen everytime, its distracting using a laptop, and not really much of an advantage.
i also prefer to have paper notes to look though.
most my lecturers print the slide, so i can annotate them and they make good notes for revision.
i see people trying to do it on their laptops but it is so limiting, you can squeeze those last few words down the side, or just diagrams, and lines all over the place...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055508</id>
	<title>won't let me post without a subject</title>
	<author>aahpandasrun</author>
	<datestamp>1265541840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why would I want to take notes by hand when I type 3x faster?  It's more efficient.  The only classes I ever took notes by hand in were math classes, or classes that involved copying diagrams.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would I want to take notes by hand when I type 3x faster ?
It 's more efficient .
The only classes I ever took notes by hand in were math classes , or classes that involved copying diagrams .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would I want to take notes by hand when I type 3x faster?
It's more efficient.
The only classes I ever took notes by hand in were math classes, or classes that involved copying diagrams.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054938</id>
	<title>Pen beats keyboard in my experience</title>
	<author>WeirdJohn</author>
	<datestamp>1265538240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was one of those students who used pen and paper in lectures, and I have to agree that it's a more effective way of learning.  I did take the time to add additional notes later to "decode" what wasn't legible.</p><p>My approach was to get down everything on the board and as much as possible that was said - including student questions and interjections.</p><p>This certainly worked for me - I had a GPA of 7, won scholarships, University Medals and Distinguished Scholar awards.</p><p>My son (who is in a special school for gifted students) uses a TabletPC.  Except for the slippery feel, it seems to be the best of both worlds.  Once the handwriting recognition is trained, you have the kinaesthetic sensory input of handwriting, the ability to make diagrams and formulae, and the clarity of formatted text.  It will be interesting once the technology matures.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was one of those students who used pen and paper in lectures , and I have to agree that it 's a more effective way of learning .
I did take the time to add additional notes later to " decode " what was n't legible.My approach was to get down everything on the board and as much as possible that was said - including student questions and interjections.This certainly worked for me - I had a GPA of 7 , won scholarships , University Medals and Distinguished Scholar awards.My son ( who is in a special school for gifted students ) uses a TabletPC .
Except for the slippery feel , it seems to be the best of both worlds .
Once the handwriting recognition is trained , you have the kinaesthetic sensory input of handwriting , the ability to make diagrams and formulae , and the clarity of formatted text .
It will be interesting once the technology matures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was one of those students who used pen and paper in lectures, and I have to agree that it's a more effective way of learning.
I did take the time to add additional notes later to "decode" what wasn't legible.My approach was to get down everything on the board and as much as possible that was said - including student questions and interjections.This certainly worked for me - I had a GPA of 7, won scholarships, University Medals and Distinguished Scholar awards.My son (who is in a special school for gifted students) uses a TabletPC.
Except for the slippery feel, it seems to be the best of both worlds.
Once the handwriting recognition is trained, you have the kinaesthetic sensory input of handwriting, the ability to make diagrams and formulae, and the clarity of formatted text.
It will be interesting once the technology matures.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055394</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1265541000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amen. In most classes, taking notes is a futile endeavor.</p><p>Okay, maybe it helps some people. And that's fine. But when I take notes, they tend to be incoherent, incomplete, and barely legible. And even if they weren't, I've not yet happened to experience an occasion where I sat down and said, "Gee, I have some free time. Maybe I'll review my microbiology class notes!" I get a lot more mileage out of my time by reading and reviewing the textbook and other source material.</p><p>So, TFQ was actually about taking notes with a computer versus handwriting, so I guess I'll touch on that. My take on it is: Most people can type a hell of a lot quicker than they can write by hand. But they can also sketch a lot quicker than they can input a diagram. So, like everything in life, you just use the right tool for the job. In a literature or composition class, bring a laptop. In a math or biology class, bring the notepad. In classes with significant amounts of writing and figure-drawing, bring both. It's not a life or death situation. This is just one of those things that you get a feel for in the first week of class.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amen .
In most classes , taking notes is a futile endeavor.Okay , maybe it helps some people .
And that 's fine .
But when I take notes , they tend to be incoherent , incomplete , and barely legible .
And even if they were n't , I 've not yet happened to experience an occasion where I sat down and said , " Gee , I have some free time .
Maybe I 'll review my microbiology class notes !
" I get a lot more mileage out of my time by reading and reviewing the textbook and other source material.So , TFQ was actually about taking notes with a computer versus handwriting , so I guess I 'll touch on that .
My take on it is : Most people can type a hell of a lot quicker than they can write by hand .
But they can also sketch a lot quicker than they can input a diagram .
So , like everything in life , you just use the right tool for the job .
In a literature or composition class , bring a laptop .
In a math or biology class , bring the notepad .
In classes with significant amounts of writing and figure-drawing , bring both .
It 's not a life or death situation .
This is just one of those things that you get a feel for in the first week of class .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amen.
In most classes, taking notes is a futile endeavor.Okay, maybe it helps some people.
And that's fine.
But when I take notes, they tend to be incoherent, incomplete, and barely legible.
And even if they weren't, I've not yet happened to experience an occasion where I sat down and said, "Gee, I have some free time.
Maybe I'll review my microbiology class notes!
" I get a lot more mileage out of my time by reading and reviewing the textbook and other source material.So, TFQ was actually about taking notes with a computer versus handwriting, so I guess I'll touch on that.
My take on it is: Most people can type a hell of a lot quicker than they can write by hand.
But they can also sketch a lot quicker than they can input a diagram.
So, like everything in life, you just use the right tool for the job.
In a literature or composition class, bring a laptop.
In a math or biology class, bring the notepad.
In classes with significant amounts of writing and figure-drawing, bring both.
It's not a life or death situation.
This is just one of those things that you get a feel for in the first week of class.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31081452</id>
	<title>Digitizing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265729520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I actually like my old Palm PDA for taking notes in handwriting with the stylus. Takes up almost no room at all, and quick sketches are as easy as writing.</p><p> <a href="http://www.eagledigitizing.com/" title="eagledigitizing.com" rel="nofollow">Digitizing</a> [eagledigitizing.com] </p><p> <a href="http://www.eagledigitizing.com/" title="eagledigitizing.com" rel="nofollow">Embroidery digitizing</a> [eagledigitizing.com] </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I actually like my old Palm PDA for taking notes in handwriting with the stylus .
Takes up almost no room at all , and quick sketches are as easy as writing .
Digitizing [ eagledigitizing.com ] Embroidery digitizing [ eagledigitizing.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I actually like my old Palm PDA for taking notes in handwriting with the stylus.
Takes up almost no room at all, and quick sketches are as easy as writing.
Digitizing [eagledigitizing.com]  Embroidery digitizing [eagledigitizing.com] </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31058610</id>
	<title>Re:At My University</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265572500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>that's because CS isn't hard. try EE or physics</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that 's because CS is n't hard .
try EE or physics</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that's because CS isn't hard.
try EE or physics</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055960</id>
	<title>Doodling is a more effective than email...</title>
	<author>tomboy17</author>
	<datestamp>1265545020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find that pen is the better choice not because of any particular property of the course material or my transcription thereof, but because of the question of attention.</p><p>Over my years in school, I've finely honed the art of doodling -- it keeps me just distracted enough I don't start daydreaming without sucking up my attention so I get lost. It allows me to tune in and out as needed.</p><p>There's really no netbook equivalent of doodling, and since, in the vast majority of classes, there will come a time when I'm bored, I'm likely to start doing something like checking my email, reading a blog, or, worse, doing some other work, which is far more distracting than doodling. When I've brought laptops to meetings (haven't done it in classes yet), I've found I often miss important information, which is pretty embarrassing.</p><p>Until I figure out how to doodle on a computer, I'll keep it out of the classroom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find that pen is the better choice not because of any particular property of the course material or my transcription thereof , but because of the question of attention.Over my years in school , I 've finely honed the art of doodling -- it keeps me just distracted enough I do n't start daydreaming without sucking up my attention so I get lost .
It allows me to tune in and out as needed.There 's really no netbook equivalent of doodling , and since , in the vast majority of classes , there will come a time when I 'm bored , I 'm likely to start doing something like checking my email , reading a blog , or , worse , doing some other work , which is far more distracting than doodling .
When I 've brought laptops to meetings ( have n't done it in classes yet ) , I 've found I often miss important information , which is pretty embarrassing.Until I figure out how to doodle on a computer , I 'll keep it out of the classroom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find that pen is the better choice not because of any particular property of the course material or my transcription thereof, but because of the question of attention.Over my years in school, I've finely honed the art of doodling -- it keeps me just distracted enough I don't start daydreaming without sucking up my attention so I get lost.
It allows me to tune in and out as needed.There's really no netbook equivalent of doodling, and since, in the vast majority of classes, there will come a time when I'm bored, I'm likely to start doing something like checking my email, reading a blog, or, worse, doing some other work, which is far more distracting than doodling.
When I've brought laptops to meetings (haven't done it in classes yet), I've found I often miss important information, which is pretty embarrassing.Until I figure out how to doodle on a computer, I'll keep it out of the classroom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31059434</id>
	<title>Re:Another data point...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265631000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I teach math at a university.  In the last 10 years, I've only had one student who tried to take all her notes with a computer.  This is her third time taking the course.  Coincidence?</p></div><p>Coincidence that this student is disorganized and stupid perhaps</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I teach math at a university .
In the last 10 years , I 've only had one student who tried to take all her notes with a computer .
This is her third time taking the course .
Coincidence ? Coincidence that this student is disorganized and stupid perhaps</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I teach math at a university.
In the last 10 years, I've only had one student who tried to take all her notes with a computer.
This is her third time taking the course.
Coincidence?Coincidence that this student is disorganized and stupid perhaps
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056358</id>
	<title>Re:Notes</title>
	<author>nicknamenotavailable</author>
	<datestamp>1265549040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In some parts of Europe all writing is (or at least was) in fountain pen. In some parts of North America, most students never see a fountain pen, yet alone use it.</p><p>
And the way students are taught is different as well. In Europe(at least some parts), first students learn to hand-write, then print, the opposite happens in North America. Recently (in some parts of North America)there has been talk about hand-writing being phased out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In some parts of Europe all writing is ( or at least was ) in fountain pen .
In some parts of North America , most students never see a fountain pen , yet alone use it .
And the way students are taught is different as well .
In Europe ( at least some parts ) , first students learn to hand-write , then print , the opposite happens in North America .
Recently ( in some parts of North America ) there has been talk about hand-writing being phased out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In some parts of Europe all writing is (or at least was) in fountain pen.
In some parts of North America, most students never see a fountain pen, yet alone use it.
And the way students are taught is different as well.
In Europe(at least some parts), first students learn to hand-write, then print, the opposite happens in North America.
Recently (in some parts of North America)there has been talk about hand-writing being phased out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31058534</id>
	<title>Re:Pencil.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265571360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mod parent up! This is the truth! Xournal on an X-series ThinkPad is the best solution to date!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mod parent up !
This is the truth !
Xournal on an X-series ThinkPad is the best solution to date !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mod parent up!
This is the truth!
Xournal on an X-series ThinkPad is the best solution to date!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31096330</id>
	<title>Re:At Law School...</title>
	<author>Splintax</author>
	<datestamp>1265051100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a law student, and this is why I still take notes by hand. Granted, most people use laptops, but not <i>all</i> of us do.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a law student , and this is why I still take notes by hand .
Granted , most people use laptops , but not all of us do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a law student, and this is why I still take notes by hand.
Granted, most people use laptops, but not all of us do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054572</id>
	<title>Notebook and Webcam/Camera Phone and OneNote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265535660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I take notes all the time with my laptop. You can use your camera phone or webcam to snap a photo of the diagrams. If you have permission, record the lecture as well if you have a built-in microphone (use Dragon Naturally Speaking or something similar to write the notes automatically.)<p>

Offer to share the information with your prof or student teacher and they will usually give you the green light or become the note taker for the class (some schools have them for hard of hearing/deaf students - <a href="http://www.rit.edu/" title="rit.edu">R.I.T.</a> [rit.edu])...</p><p>

If you use something like MS <a href="http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/onenote/default.aspx" title="microsoft.com">OneNote</a> [microsoft.com] you can drop all these separate pieces onto the note pages and keep them better organized. Text, your notes, the sound clips, and the diagrams...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I take notes all the time with my laptop .
You can use your camera phone or webcam to snap a photo of the diagrams .
If you have permission , record the lecture as well if you have a built-in microphone ( use Dragon Naturally Speaking or something similar to write the notes automatically .
) Offer to share the information with your prof or student teacher and they will usually give you the green light or become the note taker for the class ( some schools have them for hard of hearing/deaf students - R.I.T .
[ rit.edu ] ) .. . If you use something like MS OneNote [ microsoft.com ] you can drop all these separate pieces onto the note pages and keep them better organized .
Text , your notes , the sound clips , and the diagrams.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I take notes all the time with my laptop.
You can use your camera phone or webcam to snap a photo of the diagrams.
If you have permission, record the lecture as well if you have a built-in microphone (use Dragon Naturally Speaking or something similar to write the notes automatically.
)

Offer to share the information with your prof or student teacher and they will usually give you the green light or become the note taker for the class (some schools have them for hard of hearing/deaf students - R.I.T.
[rit.edu])...

If you use something like MS OneNote [microsoft.com] you can drop all these separate pieces onto the note pages and keep them better organized.
Text, your notes, the sound clips, and the diagrams...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055232</id>
	<title>Re:Pencil.</title>
	<author>mcelrath</author>
	<datestamp>1265539980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But with a real tablet computer and a stylus (e.g. Lenovo x-series tablets), in addition to erasing you also get a pencil that can cut &amp; paste, resize, move, add space in the middle of the page, highlight, color, change the color of already written text, and annotate pdfs (in case the lecturer hands out slides in pdf format), and undo.

</p><p>It's called <a href="http://xournal.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">Xournal</a> [sourceforge.net].  I frakking love it.  Completely changed the way I work.  Now I don't have to carry a backpack full of printed articles.

</p><p>I also use <a href="http://www.zotero.org/" title="zotero.org">Zotero</a> [zotero.org].  It's a bibliographic database add-on for firefox, and it will store full-text pdf's.  If you set up xournal as your default pdf viewer, you can annotate and store the annotations for papers.  So I no longer carry <i>any</i> printed paper or notes anymore.

</p><p>If you're in science or engineering and deal in diagrams, equations, and journal articles, this beats the crap out of paper &amp; pencil.

</p><p>I hope to see more <i>real</i> tablet computers this year.  Everyone has decided to stop manufacturing tablets with high-resolution screens, and use wide screens too, which means in portrait mode your tablet is blocky (can't read subscripts of equations) and too tall (because it's 16:10 rather than 4:3).  So while the iPad sucks on all the above points, I hope it spurs some new &amp; interesting tablets this year.  Pen input (wacom) also needs improvement, especially near the edges of the screens where precision is lost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But with a real tablet computer and a stylus ( e.g .
Lenovo x-series tablets ) , in addition to erasing you also get a pencil that can cut &amp; paste , resize , move , add space in the middle of the page , highlight , color , change the color of already written text , and annotate pdfs ( in case the lecturer hands out slides in pdf format ) , and undo .
It 's called Xournal [ sourceforge.net ] .
I frakking love it .
Completely changed the way I work .
Now I do n't have to carry a backpack full of printed articles .
I also use Zotero [ zotero.org ] .
It 's a bibliographic database add-on for firefox , and it will store full-text pdf 's .
If you set up xournal as your default pdf viewer , you can annotate and store the annotations for papers .
So I no longer carry any printed paper or notes anymore .
If you 're in science or engineering and deal in diagrams , equations , and journal articles , this beats the crap out of paper &amp; pencil .
I hope to see more real tablet computers this year .
Everyone has decided to stop manufacturing tablets with high-resolution screens , and use wide screens too , which means in portrait mode your tablet is blocky ( ca n't read subscripts of equations ) and too tall ( because it 's 16 : 10 rather than 4 : 3 ) .
So while the iPad sucks on all the above points , I hope it spurs some new &amp; interesting tablets this year .
Pen input ( wacom ) also needs improvement , especially near the edges of the screens where precision is lost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But with a real tablet computer and a stylus (e.g.
Lenovo x-series tablets), in addition to erasing you also get a pencil that can cut &amp; paste, resize, move, add space in the middle of the page, highlight, color, change the color of already written text, and annotate pdfs (in case the lecturer hands out slides in pdf format), and undo.
It's called Xournal [sourceforge.net].
I frakking love it.
Completely changed the way I work.
Now I don't have to carry a backpack full of printed articles.
I also use Zotero [zotero.org].
It's a bibliographic database add-on for firefox, and it will store full-text pdf's.
If you set up xournal as your default pdf viewer, you can annotate and store the annotations for papers.
So I no longer carry any printed paper or notes anymore.
If you're in science or engineering and deal in diagrams, equations, and journal articles, this beats the crap out of paper &amp; pencil.
I hope to see more real tablet computers this year.
Everyone has decided to stop manufacturing tablets with high-resolution screens, and use wide screens too, which means in portrait mode your tablet is blocky (can't read subscripts of equations) and too tall (because it's 16:10 rather than 4:3).
So while the iPad sucks on all the above points, I hope it spurs some new &amp; interesting tablets this year.
Pen input (wacom) also needs improvement, especially near the edges of the screens where precision is lost.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057310</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take notes during lectures</title>
	<author>barzok</author>
	<datestamp>1265558280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The OP didn't say he "already understood" the class. Rather, he read the material in the textbook <b>before</b> the lecture, and took notes only to fill in what he didn't pick up from the book (or to reinforce things he was sketchy on).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The OP did n't say he " already understood " the class .
Rather , he read the material in the textbook before the lecture , and took notes only to fill in what he did n't pick up from the book ( or to reinforce things he was sketchy on ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The OP didn't say he "already understood" the class.
Rather, he read the material in the textbook before the lecture, and took notes only to fill in what he didn't pick up from the book (or to reinforce things he was sketchy on).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31058988</id>
	<title>Re:Notebook and Webcam/Camera Phone and OneNote</title>
	<author>drago</author>
	<datestamp>1265622780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hate to say it, but OneNote is really a great piece of software, especially when used on a tablet. There is just nothing like it (that I know of) in the open source world, and I have really searched. Basket maybe comes closest, but it's about 10\% of the functionality. The thing about OneNote is that it is not yet another note-taking foo but it allows you to insert just about any document "as a printout", and you can not only scribble into that printout, but due to the built in OCR software you can also copy texts from it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate to say it , but OneNote is really a great piece of software , especially when used on a tablet .
There is just nothing like it ( that I know of ) in the open source world , and I have really searched .
Basket maybe comes closest , but it 's about 10 \ % of the functionality .
The thing about OneNote is that it is not yet another note-taking foo but it allows you to insert just about any document " as a printout " , and you can not only scribble into that printout , but due to the built in OCR software you can also copy texts from it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate to say it, but OneNote is really a great piece of software, especially when used on a tablet.
There is just nothing like it (that I know of) in the open source world, and I have really searched.
Basket maybe comes closest, but it's about 10\% of the functionality.
The thing about OneNote is that it is not yet another note-taking foo but it allows you to insert just about any document "as a printout", and you can not only scribble into that printout, but due to the built in OCR software you can also copy texts from it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054776</id>
	<title>The dangers of distraction...</title>
	<author>ThousandStars</author>
	<datestamp>1265536980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wrote a post on <a href="http://jseliger.com/2008/12/28/laptops-students-distraction-hardly-a-surprise/" title="jseliger.com">Laptops, students, and distraction</a> [jseliger.com] that explains why I forbid laptops in my classes (and the post grew out of a Slashdot comment like this one). From what I've seen, students are better off doing what can be done outside of class outside of class (like reading--which includes PowerPoint) and doing inside class what can't be done outside of class: spontaneous discussion, group questioning/answering/review, and the like. <p>This seems like the optimal division of time and one that keeps classroom discussions relevant. It also means that <em>not</em> having laptops and cell phones can actually make for a better overall experience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wrote a post on Laptops , students , and distraction [ jseliger.com ] that explains why I forbid laptops in my classes ( and the post grew out of a Slashdot comment like this one ) .
From what I 've seen , students are better off doing what can be done outside of class outside of class ( like reading--which includes PowerPoint ) and doing inside class what ca n't be done outside of class : spontaneous discussion , group questioning/answering/review , and the like .
This seems like the optimal division of time and one that keeps classroom discussions relevant .
It also means that not having laptops and cell phones can actually make for a better overall experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wrote a post on Laptops, students, and distraction [jseliger.com] that explains why I forbid laptops in my classes (and the post grew out of a Slashdot comment like this one).
From what I've seen, students are better off doing what can be done outside of class outside of class (like reading--which includes PowerPoint) and doing inside class what can't be done outside of class: spontaneous discussion, group questioning/answering/review, and the like.
This seems like the optimal division of time and one that keeps classroom discussions relevant.
It also means that not having laptops and cell phones can actually make for a better overall experience.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055656</id>
	<title>Spatial organization</title>
	<author>seifried</author>
	<datestamp>1265542740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One place where laptops/software really falls down for me is spatially organizing notes. Writing in the margins ("see page 435.") or organizing notes into blocks, adding diagrams/etc/etc. works so much better on paper than on a laptop. To say nothing of quickly switching pens (colors/line thickness) which isn't to bad on in most programs but also isn't super great. What I don't get though is why the professors can't simply make a base set of notes and use something like I dunno... a photocopier or the internet to distribute them so students don't spend 90\% of a class taking notes, but instead actually can pay attention to the prof and note down anything extra that comes up. This is quite a medieval way of doing things (scribe-monks in training?).</htmltext>
<tokenext>One place where laptops/software really falls down for me is spatially organizing notes .
Writing in the margins ( " see page 435 .
" ) or organizing notes into blocks , adding diagrams/etc/etc .
works so much better on paper than on a laptop .
To say nothing of quickly switching pens ( colors/line thickness ) which is n't to bad on in most programs but also is n't super great .
What I do n't get though is why the professors ca n't simply make a base set of notes and use something like I dunno... a photocopier or the internet to distribute them so students do n't spend 90 \ % of a class taking notes , but instead actually can pay attention to the prof and note down anything extra that comes up .
This is quite a medieval way of doing things ( scribe-monks in training ?
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One place where laptops/software really falls down for me is spatially organizing notes.
Writing in the margins ("see page 435.
") or organizing notes into blocks, adding diagrams/etc/etc.
works so much better on paper than on a laptop.
To say nothing of quickly switching pens (colors/line thickness) which isn't to bad on in most programs but also isn't super great.
What I don't get though is why the professors can't simply make a base set of notes and use something like I dunno... a photocopier or the internet to distribute them so students don't spend 90\% of a class taking notes, but instead actually can pay attention to the prof and note down anything extra that comes up.
This is quite a medieval way of doing things (scribe-monks in training?
).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31060352</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265643300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Slides are probably the worst form of communication ever invented. You can't put much text, having to settle with disjointed diagrams. Their information density is abysmal, so at least you'll need some speech to go with them. At that point, if you are going to put the speech on the web as well, you might as well just transcribe it, or let your students take notes so they can at least refer to them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Slides are probably the worst form of communication ever invented .
You ca n't put much text , having to settle with disjointed diagrams .
Their information density is abysmal , so at least you 'll need some speech to go with them .
At that point , if you are going to put the speech on the web as well , you might as well just transcribe it , or let your students take notes so they can at least refer to them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slides are probably the worst form of communication ever invented.
You can't put much text, having to settle with disjointed diagrams.
Their information density is abysmal, so at least you'll need some speech to go with them.
At that point, if you are going to put the speech on the web as well, you might as well just transcribe it, or let your students take notes so they can at least refer to them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056620</id>
	<title>Tablet PC + MS OneNote.</title>
	<author>0311</author>
	<datestamp>1265551620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I love my tablet PC and MS OneNote.  And I know there are other programs out there that will do the same in other OS's.  I am in my 2nd year of med school and each of our lectures typically comes with a PowerPoint or PDF.  I download it, print it to OneNote and then take notes directly on the instructor's presentation.  I can draw, type and highlight.  It is by far the best combination of writing/drawing/notetaking that I have ever used.  Furthermore, it allows me to organize by course, exam and lecture.  It is really rather keen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I love my tablet PC and MS OneNote .
And I know there are other programs out there that will do the same in other OS 's .
I am in my 2nd year of med school and each of our lectures typically comes with a PowerPoint or PDF .
I download it , print it to OneNote and then take notes directly on the instructor 's presentation .
I can draw , type and highlight .
It is by far the best combination of writing/drawing/notetaking that I have ever used .
Furthermore , it allows me to organize by course , exam and lecture .
It is really rather keen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love my tablet PC and MS OneNote.
And I know there are other programs out there that will do the same in other OS's.
I am in my 2nd year of med school and each of our lectures typically comes with a PowerPoint or PDF.
I download it, print it to OneNote and then take notes directly on the instructor's presentation.
I can draw, type and highlight.
It is by far the best combination of writing/drawing/notetaking that I have ever used.
Furthermore, it allows me to organize by course, exam and lecture.
It is really rather keen.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055970</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take notes during lectures</title>
	<author>bloobloo</author>
	<datestamp>1265545080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why were you taking courses that you already understood?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why were you taking courses that you already understood ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why were you taking courses that you already understood?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054514</id>
	<title>There are pens for the iPad and iPhone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265535360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>With the use of tablets, you can do the best of both worlds.  You can type, and draw with your finder of stylus.


Since when does one person's blog post = news?</htmltext>
<tokenext>With the use of tablets , you can do the best of both worlds .
You can type , and draw with your finder of stylus .
Since when does one person 's blog post = news ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the use of tablets, you can do the best of both worlds.
You can type, and draw with your finder of stylus.
Since when does one person's blog post = news?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055020</id>
	<title>I for one, use my laptop for notes.</title>
	<author>KillzoneNET</author>
	<datestamp>1265538840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And I can do it effectively well at that too. Formulas are easy in Word '07. Pressing ALT + '=' creates an equation space which, after learning all the ins and outs of the shorthand methodologies, became a breeze to use. For diagrams I use Dia. Its much quicker than drawing and I can do multiple diagrams in a single page for a single day's lecture.</p><p>I have not touched paper for notes in almost a year. Last time I did so was due to the professor making it a rule to not use laptops/netbooks in class (and even then, everything was on slides on the net, so taking notes was moot). I started this in physics of all things, where equations are very hefty. I did notes from the book and learned how fast I was able to take notes and decided to take it from there to class. I ended up with clean notes that were easy to read. My test notes (we were allowed a single sheet of paper full of notes) was a simple copy and paste of formulas on a 2 column page, printed on both sides of the sheet. I aced all my tests thanks to them. I continued using this method for 3 quarters of physics, all three ended with my highest marks I've had in a while.</p><p>Sure I goof off during lectures by being on the net and reading articles and such, but I mainly only do this for things I have knowledge on or if the topic is no where near the material we need to be learning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And I can do it effectively well at that too .
Formulas are easy in Word '07 .
Pressing ALT + ' = ' creates an equation space which , after learning all the ins and outs of the shorthand methodologies , became a breeze to use .
For diagrams I use Dia .
Its much quicker than drawing and I can do multiple diagrams in a single page for a single day 's lecture.I have not touched paper for notes in almost a year .
Last time I did so was due to the professor making it a rule to not use laptops/netbooks in class ( and even then , everything was on slides on the net , so taking notes was moot ) .
I started this in physics of all things , where equations are very hefty .
I did notes from the book and learned how fast I was able to take notes and decided to take it from there to class .
I ended up with clean notes that were easy to read .
My test notes ( we were allowed a single sheet of paper full of notes ) was a simple copy and paste of formulas on a 2 column page , printed on both sides of the sheet .
I aced all my tests thanks to them .
I continued using this method for 3 quarters of physics , all three ended with my highest marks I 've had in a while.Sure I goof off during lectures by being on the net and reading articles and such , but I mainly only do this for things I have knowledge on or if the topic is no where near the material we need to be learning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I can do it effectively well at that too.
Formulas are easy in Word '07.
Pressing ALT + '=' creates an equation space which, after learning all the ins and outs of the shorthand methodologies, became a breeze to use.
For diagrams I use Dia.
Its much quicker than drawing and I can do multiple diagrams in a single page for a single day's lecture.I have not touched paper for notes in almost a year.
Last time I did so was due to the professor making it a rule to not use laptops/netbooks in class (and even then, everything was on slides on the net, so taking notes was moot).
I started this in physics of all things, where equations are very hefty.
I did notes from the book and learned how fast I was able to take notes and decided to take it from there to class.
I ended up with clean notes that were easy to read.
My test notes (we were allowed a single sheet of paper full of notes) was a simple copy and paste of formulas on a 2 column page, printed on both sides of the sheet.
I aced all my tests thanks to them.
I continued using this method for 3 quarters of physics, all three ended with my highest marks I've had in a while.Sure I goof off during lectures by being on the net and reading articles and such, but I mainly only do this for things I have knowledge on or if the topic is no where near the material we need to be learning.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054596</id>
	<title>Pen and Paper</title>
	<author>TubeSteak</author>
	<datestamp>1265535840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In my entirely anecdotal experience, kids^Wpeople tend to goof off or multi-task instead of focusing on the material/teacher when there's a laptop in front of them.<br>Even Senators and Congressmen have been caught on camera playing solitare or checking sports instead of following along with debates.</p><p>And that behavior doesn't begin to compare to the endless amount of texting at inappropriate times/places.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In my entirely anecdotal experience , kids ^ Wpeople tend to goof off or multi-task instead of focusing on the material/teacher when there 's a laptop in front of them.Even Senators and Congressmen have been caught on camera playing solitare or checking sports instead of following along with debates.And that behavior does n't begin to compare to the endless amount of texting at inappropriate times/places .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my entirely anecdotal experience, kids^Wpeople tend to goof off or multi-task instead of focusing on the material/teacher when there's a laptop in front of them.Even Senators and Congressmen have been caught on camera playing solitare or checking sports instead of following along with debates.And that behavior doesn't begin to compare to the endless amount of texting at inappropriate times/places.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31058442</id>
	<title>Re:Notebook and Webcam/Camera Phone and OneNote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265570280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You've obviously never actually USED Dragon Naturally Speaking.</p><p>I have. You have to tune it to YOUR voice and speaking mannerisms (which takes a hell of a long time) and make sure you've got a good microphone (headsets usually work best).</p><p>And even if it's tuned, there's no way Dragon can efficiently transcribe a lecture recorded using a laptop microphone 20 - 30 feet from the lecturer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've obviously never actually USED Dragon Naturally Speaking.I have .
You have to tune it to YOUR voice and speaking mannerisms ( which takes a hell of a long time ) and make sure you 've got a good microphone ( headsets usually work best ) .And even if it 's tuned , there 's no way Dragon can efficiently transcribe a lecture recorded using a laptop microphone 20 - 30 feet from the lecturer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've obviously never actually USED Dragon Naturally Speaking.I have.
You have to tune it to YOUR voice and speaking mannerisms (which takes a hell of a long time) and make sure you've got a good microphone (headsets usually work best).And even if it's tuned, there's no way Dragon can efficiently transcribe a lecture recorded using a laptop microphone 20 - 30 feet from the lecturer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054840</id>
	<title>Re:At Law School...</title>
	<author>K. S. Kyosuke</author>
	<datestamp>1265537460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"when you have a particularly intense class you can get down a lot more information typing than you can with pen and paper."</p></div><p>Unless you learn the ancient versatile art of shorthand, that is.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" when you have a particularly intense class you can get down a lot more information typing than you can with pen and paper .
" Unless you learn the ancient versatile art of shorthand , that is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"when you have a particularly intense class you can get down a lot more information typing than you can with pen and paper.
"Unless you learn the ancient versatile art of shorthand, that is.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31059670</id>
	<title>FieldNotes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265636160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I attended university I used a basic Mead 3 subject notebook and a Bic ballpoint pen, sometimes a pencil. Writing it all down helped me remember the material better, but I only wrote down the things I knew I would need to remember. Now I work in the I.T. field and I buy packs of Field Notes and some more Bic ballpoint pens. They are small enough to fit in my shirt or pants pocket. I jot down things to do like upgrade firmware, pseudo-code for scripts to automate processes, I make notes of IP addresses or quick network diagram. Some of these notes I later move to a computer file, but most get scratched off in the notebook itself. It's too awkward and problematic to constantly carry a laptop or netbook around for simple things like these. And I can recycle the notebooks a lot easier.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I attended university I used a basic Mead 3 subject notebook and a Bic ballpoint pen , sometimes a pencil .
Writing it all down helped me remember the material better , but I only wrote down the things I knew I would need to remember .
Now I work in the I.T .
field and I buy packs of Field Notes and some more Bic ballpoint pens .
They are small enough to fit in my shirt or pants pocket .
I jot down things to do like upgrade firmware , pseudo-code for scripts to automate processes , I make notes of IP addresses or quick network diagram .
Some of these notes I later move to a computer file , but most get scratched off in the notebook itself .
It 's too awkward and problematic to constantly carry a laptop or netbook around for simple things like these .
And I can recycle the notebooks a lot easier .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I attended university I used a basic Mead 3 subject notebook and a Bic ballpoint pen, sometimes a pencil.
Writing it all down helped me remember the material better, but I only wrote down the things I knew I would need to remember.
Now I work in the I.T.
field and I buy packs of Field Notes and some more Bic ballpoint pens.
They are small enough to fit in my shirt or pants pocket.
I jot down things to do like upgrade firmware, pseudo-code for scripts to automate processes, I make notes of IP addresses or quick network diagram.
Some of these notes I later move to a computer file, but most get scratched off in the notebook itself.
It's too awkward and problematic to constantly carry a laptop or netbook around for simple things like these.
And I can recycle the notebooks a lot easier.
:-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056522</id>
	<title>Re:Notebooks + paper are the key</title>
	<author>quisxt</author>
	<datestamp>1265550720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Work on your handwriting so you can take legible notes more quickly.  Read the course material ahead of time so you have to take fewer notes.  More technology isn't always the best answer.  I feel for you if you ever have to give a lecture or lead a review session.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Work on your handwriting so you can take legible notes more quickly .
Read the course material ahead of time so you have to take fewer notes .
More technology is n't always the best answer .
I feel for you if you ever have to give a lecture or lead a review session .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Work on your handwriting so you can take legible notes more quickly.
Read the course material ahead of time so you have to take fewer notes.
More technology isn't always the best answer.
I feel for you if you ever have to give a lecture or lead a review session.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31060396</id>
	<title>Tablet PC solves both issues</title>
	<author>shanmoon</author>
	<datestamp>1265643660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I take notes with a Tablet PC...often course handouts for the lecture are in (horrors!) Microsoft office. I can take notes using One note or AutoDesk Sketbook to capture those pesky diagrams. Erasing is certainly a lot less messy than pen/paper.

And I can still type notes too. It's a win-win for me....

If only the iPad was a real tablet pc....sigh....</htmltext>
<tokenext>I take notes with a Tablet PC...often course handouts for the lecture are in ( horrors !
) Microsoft office .
I can take notes using One note or AutoDesk Sketbook to capture those pesky diagrams .
Erasing is certainly a lot less messy than pen/paper .
And I can still type notes too .
It 's a win-win for me... . If only the iPad was a real tablet pc....sigh... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I take notes with a Tablet PC...often course handouts for the lecture are in (horrors!
) Microsoft office.
I can take notes using One note or AutoDesk Sketbook to capture those pesky diagrams.
Erasing is certainly a lot less messy than pen/paper.
And I can still type notes too.
It's a win-win for me....

If only the iPad was a real tablet pc....sigh....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055342</id>
	<title>Diagrams are not a problem for portables...</title>
	<author>CFBMoo1</author>
	<datestamp>1265540640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just use the built in web cam to snap a shot of the diagram. I do that during meetings and my boss actually asked me to mail copies to her after the meeting. It's all in how you use the technology your given.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just use the built in web cam to snap a shot of the diagram .
I do that during meetings and my boss actually asked me to mail copies to her after the meeting .
It 's all in how you use the technology your given .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just use the built in web cam to snap a shot of the diagram.
I do that during meetings and my boss actually asked me to mail copies to her after the meeting.
It's all in how you use the technology your given.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31059806</id>
	<title>Livescribe</title>
	<author>VPNDUDE</author>
	<datestamp>1265638560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really enjoyed using the Livescribe pen for taking notes in class. Best of both worlds... you still can hand write the notes, and also get an audio copy of the lecture.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really enjoyed using the Livescribe pen for taking notes in class .
Best of both worlds... you still can hand write the notes , and also get an audio copy of the lecture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really enjoyed using the Livescribe pen for taking notes in class.
Best of both worlds... you still can hand write the notes, and also get an audio copy of the lecture.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054704</id>
	<title>Wait...</title>
	<author>GigsVT</author>
	<datestamp>1265536500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's 2010 and people still have <i>lectures</i>?  That's quaint.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's 2010 and people still have lectures ?
That 's quaint .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's 2010 and people still have lectures?
That's quaint.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054548</id>
	<title>Re:Notes</title>
	<author>dark404</author>
	<datestamp>1265535540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually I just picked up the HP TM2 tablet. That with one note is awesome for note taking. Being a CS grad student myself, diagrams and more importantly equations drove me nuts trying to take notes before so I relied on my trusty fountain pen and a tablet of paper, but the hand writing recognition is really there \_now\_ for tablets, and the hp gets great battery life.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually I just picked up the HP TM2 tablet .
That with one note is awesome for note taking .
Being a CS grad student myself , diagrams and more importantly equations drove me nuts trying to take notes before so I relied on my trusty fountain pen and a tablet of paper , but the hand writing recognition is really there \ _now \ _ for tablets , and the hp gets great battery life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually I just picked up the HP TM2 tablet.
That with one note is awesome for note taking.
Being a CS grad student myself, diagrams and more importantly equations drove me nuts trying to take notes before so I relied on my trusty fountain pen and a tablet of paper, but the hand writing recognition is really there \_now\_ for tablets, and the hp gets great battery life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31079326</id>
	<title>Re:The dangers of distraction...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265715720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The notion that students at the university level need to be protected from their own laziness/distractions is ridiculous. I just graduated and I took notes exclusively on my netbook during my last semester.</p><p>My girlfriend currently has a professor who, like you, bans laptops in class. The result? Instead of being able to efficiently type up her notes, she ends up drawing during class.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The notion that students at the university level need to be protected from their own laziness/distractions is ridiculous .
I just graduated and I took notes exclusively on my netbook during my last semester.My girlfriend currently has a professor who , like you , bans laptops in class .
The result ?
Instead of being able to efficiently type up her notes , she ends up drawing during class .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The notion that students at the university level need to be protected from their own laziness/distractions is ridiculous.
I just graduated and I took notes exclusively on my netbook during my last semester.My girlfriend currently has a professor who, like you, bans laptops in class.
The result?
Instead of being able to efficiently type up her notes, she ends up drawing during class.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054696</id>
	<title>At Law School...</title>
	<author>Oxford\_Comma\_Lover</author>
	<datestamp>1265536440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At law school, everyone uses laptops.  It's a different world than the world of pen and paper.  There are a very few students who still take notes the old-fashioned way, and they do remarkably well sometimes, but the simple fact is that when you have a particularly intense class you can get down a lot more information typing than you can with pen and paper.</p><p>You still have to be disciplined--turning off your network devices can be helpful, and you also have to avoid taking notes just because everyone else is.  (There are times when one person starts typing, then another, and it snowballs, even when there's nothing noteworthy being discussed.)  But if you use the laptop as a tool, it's a very effective one.  It also lets you learn a bit more, because you can actually do some outside research during class which enriches it for everyone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At law school , everyone uses laptops .
It 's a different world than the world of pen and paper .
There are a very few students who still take notes the old-fashioned way , and they do remarkably well sometimes , but the simple fact is that when you have a particularly intense class you can get down a lot more information typing than you can with pen and paper.You still have to be disciplined--turning off your network devices can be helpful , and you also have to avoid taking notes just because everyone else is .
( There are times when one person starts typing , then another , and it snowballs , even when there 's nothing noteworthy being discussed .
) But if you use the laptop as a tool , it 's a very effective one .
It also lets you learn a bit more , because you can actually do some outside research during class which enriches it for everyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At law school, everyone uses laptops.
It's a different world than the world of pen and paper.
There are a very few students who still take notes the old-fashioned way, and they do remarkably well sometimes, but the simple fact is that when you have a particularly intense class you can get down a lot more information typing than you can with pen and paper.You still have to be disciplined--turning off your network devices can be helpful, and you also have to avoid taking notes just because everyone else is.
(There are times when one person starts typing, then another, and it snowballs, even when there's nothing noteworthy being discussed.
)  But if you use the laptop as a tool, it's a very effective one.
It also lets you learn a bit more, because you can actually do some outside research during class which enriches it for everyone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054978</id>
	<title>Don't take notes during lectures</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265538540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Notes should not be taken during lectures.  Take notes while you do the readings.  All you have to do is note any interesting anecdotes, and record examples, as they often appear on the tests with little change.</p><p>Decades later, I still remember watching my classmates furiously scribbling stuff in calc class as though they'd never heard of this stuff until moments ago, while I sat back, relaxed, yet confused... And then suddenly realizing, they probably had never heard of this stuff, because they did not read their textbook...</p><p>Even in those fluffy politically correct liberal arts classes, you can pretty much guess what the lecturer is going to talk about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Notes should not be taken during lectures .
Take notes while you do the readings .
All you have to do is note any interesting anecdotes , and record examples , as they often appear on the tests with little change.Decades later , I still remember watching my classmates furiously scribbling stuff in calc class as though they 'd never heard of this stuff until moments ago , while I sat back , relaxed , yet confused... And then suddenly realizing , they probably had never heard of this stuff , because they did not read their textbook...Even in those fluffy politically correct liberal arts classes , you can pretty much guess what the lecturer is going to talk about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Notes should not be taken during lectures.
Take notes while you do the readings.
All you have to do is note any interesting anecdotes, and record examples, as they often appear on the tests with little change.Decades later, I still remember watching my classmates furiously scribbling stuff in calc class as though they'd never heard of this stuff until moments ago, while I sat back, relaxed, yet confused... And then suddenly realizing, they probably had never heard of this stuff, because they did not read their textbook...Even in those fluffy politically correct liberal arts classes, you can pretty much guess what the lecturer is going to talk about.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054804</id>
	<title>Old technology</title>
	<author>Pentium100</author>
	<datestamp>1265537160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I write fast enough to be able to keep up, then it's almost impossible to decipher, if I write so it is legible, I end up writing every second word or so. I type a bit faster than I write (when I try to write legibly) but still not fast enough. So I found a solution: a tape recorder. A reel of tape is good for 3-6 hours (at 2.4cm/s speed) and then I need to turn it over (lectures last only 1.5 hours so I don't have to do it during a lecture, but I cannot use cassettes, since they are 1 hour per side at the most).<br>If I need to save what is written on the board, I can take a picture with my Nokia N93. 3Mpx resolution and 3x optical zoom makes it easy to do so.<br>On my paper notebook I write the topics (or sub topics) of the lecture and,.if I can, times when the sub topic started, so I can find it on the tape easier. I also write which tape and track it is (the tape recorder is 4 track) and what the tape counter showed at the beginning of the lecture.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I write fast enough to be able to keep up , then it 's almost impossible to decipher , if I write so it is legible , I end up writing every second word or so .
I type a bit faster than I write ( when I try to write legibly ) but still not fast enough .
So I found a solution : a tape recorder .
A reel of tape is good for 3-6 hours ( at 2.4cm/s speed ) and then I need to turn it over ( lectures last only 1.5 hours so I do n't have to do it during a lecture , but I can not use cassettes , since they are 1 hour per side at the most ) .If I need to save what is written on the board , I can take a picture with my Nokia N93 .
3Mpx resolution and 3x optical zoom makes it easy to do so.On my paper notebook I write the topics ( or sub topics ) of the lecture and,.if I can , times when the sub topic started , so I can find it on the tape easier .
I also write which tape and track it is ( the tape recorder is 4 track ) and what the tape counter showed at the beginning of the lecture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I write fast enough to be able to keep up, then it's almost impossible to decipher, if I write so it is legible, I end up writing every second word or so.
I type a bit faster than I write (when I try to write legibly) but still not fast enough.
So I found a solution: a tape recorder.
A reel of tape is good for 3-6 hours (at 2.4cm/s speed) and then I need to turn it over (lectures last only 1.5 hours so I don't have to do it during a lecture, but I cannot use cassettes, since they are 1 hour per side at the most).If I need to save what is written on the board, I can take a picture with my Nokia N93.
3Mpx resolution and 3x optical zoom makes it easy to do so.On my paper notebook I write the topics (or sub topics) of the lecture and,.if I can, times when the sub topic started, so I can find it on the tape easier.
I also write which tape and track it is (the tape recorder is 4 track) and what the tape counter showed at the beginning of the lecture.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054964</id>
	<title>What I use is....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265538420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>one of these, actually: http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P\_ID=KIqtSJ1aVsmVpeqS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>one of these , actually : http : //www.asus.com/product.aspx ? P \ _ID = KIqtSJ1aVsmVpeqS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>one of these, actually: http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P\_ID=KIqtSJ1aVsmVpeqS</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054974</id>
	<title>the best way, IMHO</title>
	<author>porky\_pig\_jr</author>
	<datestamp>1265538420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I take the notes with a pen and paper and also record everything with a voice recorder. Since I'm taking mostly math courses, it works out quite well. I focus on writing the formula with annotations, and then when the lecture is over, I reconstruct the whole thing. The annotations help to connect the voice recording and my scribbles. That takes some extra time, of course, but the end result is detailed lecture, with everything on a blackboard carefully reconstructed. As a last shot, I typeset the whole thing in LaTeX (if I have time).</p><p>I think, if you start using computer (tablet or whatever), you won't have the ``instant connection to the recording media" that pen and paper provide.</p><p>As a side note, my favorite professor normally creates some handwritten outline of the lecture, but all the proofs and staff he does on the fly. By accident, while talking to him, I've mentioned I have recorded and typeset his lectures. He looked at them and liked them so much he asked me if he can use them as a supplementary material for his course(s). I didn't mind at all, of course.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I take the notes with a pen and paper and also record everything with a voice recorder .
Since I 'm taking mostly math courses , it works out quite well .
I focus on writing the formula with annotations , and then when the lecture is over , I reconstruct the whole thing .
The annotations help to connect the voice recording and my scribbles .
That takes some extra time , of course , but the end result is detailed lecture , with everything on a blackboard carefully reconstructed .
As a last shot , I typeset the whole thing in LaTeX ( if I have time ) .I think , if you start using computer ( tablet or whatever ) , you wo n't have the ` ` instant connection to the recording media " that pen and paper provide.As a side note , my favorite professor normally creates some handwritten outline of the lecture , but all the proofs and staff he does on the fly .
By accident , while talking to him , I 've mentioned I have recorded and typeset his lectures .
He looked at them and liked them so much he asked me if he can use them as a supplementary material for his course ( s ) .
I did n't mind at all , of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I take the notes with a pen and paper and also record everything with a voice recorder.
Since I'm taking mostly math courses, it works out quite well.
I focus on writing the formula with annotations, and then when the lecture is over, I reconstruct the whole thing.
The annotations help to connect the voice recording and my scribbles.
That takes some extra time, of course, but the end result is detailed lecture, with everything on a blackboard carefully reconstructed.
As a last shot, I typeset the whole thing in LaTeX (if I have time).I think, if you start using computer (tablet or whatever), you won't have the ``instant connection to the recording media" that pen and paper provide.As a side note, my favorite professor normally creates some handwritten outline of the lecture, but all the proofs and staff he does on the fly.
By accident, while talking to him, I've mentioned I have recorded and typeset his lectures.
He looked at them and liked them so much he asked me if he can use them as a supplementary material for his course(s).
I didn't mind at all, of course.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055006</id>
	<title>And the back-space is mightier than an eraser</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265538720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>duh!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>duh !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>duh!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054828</id>
	<title>Re:Notes?</title>
	<author>bmacs27</author>
	<datestamp>1265537400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Additionally if you really want to take notes, generally these notes are released as a ppt.  You can then type notes in the "notes" section of the slide on your laptop.  Doing it this way, there is no need to copy down diagrams for the most part.</p><p>Alternatively, you can print out the slides, and scribble with your pencil.  Either approach works.</p><p>In general, however, I agree.  Time taking notes is time not asking questions.  Asking about material takes me much further toward retention than reflexively copying it down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Additionally if you really want to take notes , generally these notes are released as a ppt .
You can then type notes in the " notes " section of the slide on your laptop .
Doing it this way , there is no need to copy down diagrams for the most part.Alternatively , you can print out the slides , and scribble with your pencil .
Either approach works.In general , however , I agree .
Time taking notes is time not asking questions .
Asking about material takes me much further toward retention than reflexively copying it down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Additionally if you really want to take notes, generally these notes are released as a ppt.
You can then type notes in the "notes" section of the slide on your laptop.
Doing it this way, there is no need to copy down diagrams for the most part.Alternatively, you can print out the slides, and scribble with your pencil.
Either approach works.In general, however, I agree.
Time taking notes is time not asking questions.
Asking about material takes me much further toward retention than reflexively copying it down.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056156</id>
	<title>in my class, it doesn't matter</title>
	<author>Ralph Spoilsport</author>
	<datestamp>1265546820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>laptops are banned. All diagrams are posted to blackboard. Take notes with pen and paper, unless the University's Student Accessibility Office says you have to be able to use a laptop.
<p>
They listen. They learn.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>laptops are banned .
All diagrams are posted to blackboard .
Take notes with pen and paper , unless the University 's Student Accessibility Office says you have to be able to use a laptop .
They listen .
They learn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>laptops are banned.
All diagrams are posted to blackboard.
Take notes with pen and paper, unless the University's Student Accessibility Office says you have to be able to use a laptop.
They listen.
They learn.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054802</id>
	<title>Me experiences</title>
	<author>meerling</author>
	<datestamp>1265537160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For me, the laptop was a lifesaver in class, the reasons are below:<br><br>I type many times faster than I can write with a wooden stick... And correcting errors is much easier than the ink filled version of the stick...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<br>I can always record audio and edit it later.<br>As to diagrams/drawings, I either reproduced it using a separate drawing program, or the one in the word processor, or took a picture of it with my phone (later transfered to document)<br><br>I do agree that sometimes a notepad is better than a computer, especially if you already lug around 30 lbs of books, but for me, it was pretty rare.<br><br>As to the ipad, it's not going to be a good choice for class. It's little more than an economy sized ipod touch and it's lack of real keyboard will be a major disadvantage in the classroom. (I don't know what software it will run, so I don't know what kind of word processing, sound editing, or drawing programs will be available for it. Just a note, I haven't seen anything saying it runs the same stuff the Mac does, just things implying it runs what the i-stuff does.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>For me , the laptop was a lifesaver in class , the reasons are below : I type many times faster than I can write with a wooden stick... And correcting errors is much easier than the ink filled version of the stick... : ) I can always record audio and edit it later.As to diagrams/drawings , I either reproduced it using a separate drawing program , or the one in the word processor , or took a picture of it with my phone ( later transfered to document ) I do agree that sometimes a notepad is better than a computer , especially if you already lug around 30 lbs of books , but for me , it was pretty rare.As to the ipad , it 's not going to be a good choice for class .
It 's little more than an economy sized ipod touch and it 's lack of real keyboard will be a major disadvantage in the classroom .
( I do n't know what software it will run , so I do n't know what kind of word processing , sound editing , or drawing programs will be available for it .
Just a note , I have n't seen anything saying it runs the same stuff the Mac does , just things implying it runs what the i-stuff does .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For me, the laptop was a lifesaver in class, the reasons are below:I type many times faster than I can write with a wooden stick... And correcting errors is much easier than the ink filled version of the stick... :)I can always record audio and edit it later.As to diagrams/drawings, I either reproduced it using a separate drawing program, or the one in the word processor, or took a picture of it with my phone (later transfered to document)I do agree that sometimes a notepad is better than a computer, especially if you already lug around 30 lbs of books, but for me, it was pretty rare.As to the ipad, it's not going to be a good choice for class.
It's little more than an economy sized ipod touch and it's lack of real keyboard will be a major disadvantage in the classroom.
(I don't know what software it will run, so I don't know what kind of word processing, sound editing, or drawing programs will be available for it.
Just a note, I haven't seen anything saying it runs the same stuff the Mac does, just things implying it runs what the i-stuff does.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31055286</id>
	<title>Tablet PC, Hello!</title>
	<author>Nightspirit</author>
	<datestamp>1265540280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People say there is no use for a tablet PC, yet you describe the perfect scenario for one: notetaking. Get a convertible tablet PC (with a keyboard), get OneNote (the best software MS has made IMO) and create searchable notes where you can also draw diagrams. It was a lifesend in medical school. I still have my handwritten notes from undergrad in a box and I can't even read half of it.  Ever wonder "hmmm, I remember taking notes on thijakoojis 3 months ago, I wonder where the hell they are?" well I have to do is search in OneNote and it will show me all the pages with that term. You can even export your notes into pdf to read on your ereader.</p><p>And sorry but some of us can overcome internet distractions, and I'm pretty sure if I didn't take notes in my classes I would have failed some of them, as professors frequently taught outside of the books, and I have to look at something several times to retain it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People say there is no use for a tablet PC , yet you describe the perfect scenario for one : notetaking .
Get a convertible tablet PC ( with a keyboard ) , get OneNote ( the best software MS has made IMO ) and create searchable notes where you can also draw diagrams .
It was a lifesend in medical school .
I still have my handwritten notes from undergrad in a box and I ca n't even read half of it .
Ever wonder " hmmm , I remember taking notes on thijakoojis 3 months ago , I wonder where the hell they are ?
" well I have to do is search in OneNote and it will show me all the pages with that term .
You can even export your notes into pdf to read on your ereader.And sorry but some of us can overcome internet distractions , and I 'm pretty sure if I did n't take notes in my classes I would have failed some of them , as professors frequently taught outside of the books , and I have to look at something several times to retain it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People say there is no use for a tablet PC, yet you describe the perfect scenario for one: notetaking.
Get a convertible tablet PC (with a keyboard), get OneNote (the best software MS has made IMO) and create searchable notes where you can also draw diagrams.
It was a lifesend in medical school.
I still have my handwritten notes from undergrad in a box and I can't even read half of it.
Ever wonder "hmmm, I remember taking notes on thijakoojis 3 months ago, I wonder where the hell they are?
" well I have to do is search in OneNote and it will show me all the pages with that term.
You can even export your notes into pdf to read on your ereader.And sorry but some of us can overcome internet distractions, and I'm pretty sure if I didn't take notes in my classes I would have failed some of them, as professors frequently taught outside of the books, and I have to look at something several times to retain it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056578</id>
	<title>Doodling.</title>
	<author>jasenj1</author>
	<datestamp>1265551260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Study: Doodling Helps You Pay Attention <a href="http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1882127,00.html" title="time.com">http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1882127,00.html</a> [time.com]</p><p>I prefer to mix doodling &amp; note taking. Much harder to doodle with a laptop.</p><p>- Jasen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Study : Doodling Helps You Pay Attention http : //www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1882127,00.html [ time.com ] I prefer to mix doodling &amp; note taking .
Much harder to doodle with a laptop.- Jasen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Study: Doodling Helps You Pay Attention http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1882127,00.html [time.com]I prefer to mix doodling &amp; note taking.
Much harder to doodle with a laptop.- Jasen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057968</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take notes during lectures</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265564340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My guess is the person attended a school that didn't allow you to take a test instead of the class for the credits.</p><p>If you don't mind the wrote busywork (in classes that require turned in assignments and homework), the upside is those can be rather easy to get A's in. Just something to boost the GPA. And if willing, tutoring on the side can make some extra money or help with socializing. (Or if you're a slacker, you can still manage average grades for skipping out or not doing assignments while still passing all the tests.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My guess is the person attended a school that did n't allow you to take a test instead of the class for the credits.If you do n't mind the wrote busywork ( in classes that require turned in assignments and homework ) , the upside is those can be rather easy to get A 's in .
Just something to boost the GPA .
And if willing , tutoring on the side can make some extra money or help with socializing .
( Or if you 're a slacker , you can still manage average grades for skipping out or not doing assignments while still passing all the tests .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My guess is the person attended a school that didn't allow you to take a test instead of the class for the credits.If you don't mind the wrote busywork (in classes that require turned in assignments and homework), the upside is those can be rather easy to get A's in.
Just something to boost the GPA.
And if willing, tutoring on the side can make some extra money or help with socializing.
(Or if you're a slacker, you can still manage average grades for skipping out or not doing assignments while still passing all the tests.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31058586</id>
	<title>That's all well and good, but...</title>
	<author>Nabeel\_co</author>
	<datestamp>1265572080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...only if you can write faster than you type and still read it.</p><p>The fact of the matter is that I spend many more hours working on my laptop in my course and at home, then taking notes in class (and handwriting), so I can type more accurately and faster than I can write. If I were taking handwritten notes, it would: A) take more concentration (because I would have to look at the page to stay on the lines, as opposed to touch typing, and reading directly off the board) B) look like sh*t because I would be in a rush, and would make the notes useless. C) take at least 2x longer than typing, meaning that by the time I have written down what's on the board, the prof. has already wiped it clean... not to mention I wouldn't have heard a word while I was taking notes.</p><p>If you do it properly, you will have a strong word processing application. NOT MS Word or OpenOffice, but something more basic, like Notepad, TextEdit, TextMate, VIM, or Nano. Then you will have two documents open, one for notes, and the other for questions. And the last thing you will have open is a simple drawing application to sketch out something important.<br>You could do all that in Pages, Word or OpenOffice, but If you are not familiar with the interface, and you can't insert drawings and graphs quickly, then there is no point. You don't want to ever be in an instant where you are fumbling around in the dark.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...only if you can write faster than you type and still read it.The fact of the matter is that I spend many more hours working on my laptop in my course and at home , then taking notes in class ( and handwriting ) , so I can type more accurately and faster than I can write .
If I were taking handwritten notes , it would : A ) take more concentration ( because I would have to look at the page to stay on the lines , as opposed to touch typing , and reading directly off the board ) B ) look like sh * t because I would be in a rush , and would make the notes useless .
C ) take at least 2x longer than typing , meaning that by the time I have written down what 's on the board , the prof. has already wiped it clean... not to mention I would n't have heard a word while I was taking notes.If you do it properly , you will have a strong word processing application .
NOT MS Word or OpenOffice , but something more basic , like Notepad , TextEdit , TextMate , VIM , or Nano .
Then you will have two documents open , one for notes , and the other for questions .
And the last thing you will have open is a simple drawing application to sketch out something important.You could do all that in Pages , Word or OpenOffice , but If you are not familiar with the interface , and you ca n't insert drawings and graphs quickly , then there is no point .
You do n't want to ever be in an instant where you are fumbling around in the dark .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...only if you can write faster than you type and still read it.The fact of the matter is that I spend many more hours working on my laptop in my course and at home, then taking notes in class (and handwriting), so I can type more accurately and faster than I can write.
If I were taking handwritten notes, it would: A) take more concentration (because I would have to look at the page to stay on the lines, as opposed to touch typing, and reading directly off the board) B) look like sh*t because I would be in a rush, and would make the notes useless.
C) take at least 2x longer than typing, meaning that by the time I have written down what's on the board, the prof. has already wiped it clean... not to mention I wouldn't have heard a word while I was taking notes.If you do it properly, you will have a strong word processing application.
NOT MS Word or OpenOffice, but something more basic, like Notepad, TextEdit, TextMate, VIM, or Nano.
Then you will have two documents open, one for notes, and the other for questions.
And the last thing you will have open is a simple drawing application to sketch out something important.You could do all that in Pages, Word or OpenOffice, but If you are not familiar with the interface, and you can't insert drawings and graphs quickly, then there is no point.
You don't want to ever be in an instant where you are fumbling around in the dark.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31059598</id>
	<title>Re:TabletPC and 1 year w/o paper</title>
	<author>HikingStick</author>
	<datestamp>1265634720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I started taking my laptop to meetings for note-taking years ago.  For me, it was just as effective in helping me to internalize the information as was taking long-hand notes.  The only difference was that I could easily search my electronic notes.  Diagrams could present a challenge, but I could typically describe them (or, sometimes approximate them) using text.  Most often, handouts covered the key graphics.  In a classroom environment, I'd prefer to use a digital camera, but I'm sure it would freak some instructors out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I started taking my laptop to meetings for note-taking years ago .
For me , it was just as effective in helping me to internalize the information as was taking long-hand notes .
The only difference was that I could easily search my electronic notes .
Diagrams could present a challenge , but I could typically describe them ( or , sometimes approximate them ) using text .
Most often , handouts covered the key graphics .
In a classroom environment , I 'd prefer to use a digital camera , but I 'm sure it would freak some instructors out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I started taking my laptop to meetings for note-taking years ago.
For me, it was just as effective in helping me to internalize the information as was taking long-hand notes.
The only difference was that I could easily search my electronic notes.
Diagrams could present a challenge, but I could typically describe them (or, sometimes approximate them) using text.
Most often, handouts covered the key graphics.
In a classroom environment, I'd prefer to use a digital camera, but I'm sure it would freak some instructors out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054984</id>
	<title>Get a smart pen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265538600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The best bet for notetaking is a smartpen, and pay the money for a handwriting recognition program so you can index them properly.  A good one will let you record the lecture and keep in sync with what you were writing.  Your mileage may vary on the legal issues around recording a lecture.</p><p>This way you get a paper book, an electronic version of the notes as backup, but then the paper is also the backup if your computer gets blown up or stolen etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best bet for notetaking is a smartpen , and pay the money for a handwriting recognition program so you can index them properly .
A good one will let you record the lecture and keep in sync with what you were writing .
Your mileage may vary on the legal issues around recording a lecture.This way you get a paper book , an electronic version of the notes as backup , but then the paper is also the backup if your computer gets blown up or stolen etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best bet for notetaking is a smartpen, and pay the money for a handwriting recognition program so you can index them properly.
A good one will let you record the lecture and keep in sync with what you were writing.
Your mileage may vary on the legal issues around recording a lecture.This way you get a paper book, an electronic version of the notes as backup, but then the paper is also the backup if your computer gets blown up or stolen etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31056396</id>
	<title>Tablet + OneNote = Awesome</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265549520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm in the last semester of a Master's program, and I've been using an IBM Thinkpad x61 tablet and Microsoft OneNote 2007 to record notes for all of my classes since day one. This solution has worked well for a number of reasons:</p><p>* Most professors post their lectures in PowerPoint or some other electronic format. I can import the notes and write any interesting information directly on the relevant topic.<br>* I've got all of my notes, from all of my classes, all of the time. Searchable. I can jump back to previous semesters if I need to refresh my memory on a topic.<br>* I can browse my notes at work if I remember a relevant lecture applying to the situation at hand. This has proved very useful on a number of occasions.<br>* I never carry more than a paper folder, my laptop, and *sometimes* a class book in my bag. Any paper materials get scanned into a PDF and imported into the appropriate class section at a later time.<br>* During class, I can surf and quickly find additional relevant material that might bolster in class discussions or allow me to briefly absorb additional information on a particular topic (or surf the web if the lecture gets halted).<br>* Jotting down diagrams is actually better since I can use the built in tools to draw better than I could freehand.<br>* The choice of pen colors and highlighters is great for identifying different types of information.<br>* For those professors who ask that laptops be put away, I have never been asked to shut off my tablet. I'm not entirely sure why; it may be that they just don't notice that I have one.</p><p>I am ambivalent towards the concept that laptops in class are a distraction. I have seen plenty of students who abuse the use of laptops in class (like streaming TV). However, I feel that as long as I am not distracting my fellow students from learning, I am paying (a lot) to learn and should be allowed to learn in the manner that I feel is most effective.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm in the last semester of a Master 's program , and I 've been using an IBM Thinkpad x61 tablet and Microsoft OneNote 2007 to record notes for all of my classes since day one .
This solution has worked well for a number of reasons : * Most professors post their lectures in PowerPoint or some other electronic format .
I can import the notes and write any interesting information directly on the relevant topic .
* I 've got all of my notes , from all of my classes , all of the time .
Searchable. I can jump back to previous semesters if I need to refresh my memory on a topic .
* I can browse my notes at work if I remember a relevant lecture applying to the situation at hand .
This has proved very useful on a number of occasions .
* I never carry more than a paper folder , my laptop , and * sometimes * a class book in my bag .
Any paper materials get scanned into a PDF and imported into the appropriate class section at a later time .
* During class , I can surf and quickly find additional relevant material that might bolster in class discussions or allow me to briefly absorb additional information on a particular topic ( or surf the web if the lecture gets halted ) .
* Jotting down diagrams is actually better since I can use the built in tools to draw better than I could freehand .
* The choice of pen colors and highlighters is great for identifying different types of information .
* For those professors who ask that laptops be put away , I have never been asked to shut off my tablet .
I 'm not entirely sure why ; it may be that they just do n't notice that I have one.I am ambivalent towards the concept that laptops in class are a distraction .
I have seen plenty of students who abuse the use of laptops in class ( like streaming TV ) .
However , I feel that as long as I am not distracting my fellow students from learning , I am paying ( a lot ) to learn and should be allowed to learn in the manner that I feel is most effective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm in the last semester of a Master's program, and I've been using an IBM Thinkpad x61 tablet and Microsoft OneNote 2007 to record notes for all of my classes since day one.
This solution has worked well for a number of reasons:* Most professors post their lectures in PowerPoint or some other electronic format.
I can import the notes and write any interesting information directly on the relevant topic.
* I've got all of my notes, from all of my classes, all of the time.
Searchable. I can jump back to previous semesters if I need to refresh my memory on a topic.
* I can browse my notes at work if I remember a relevant lecture applying to the situation at hand.
This has proved very useful on a number of occasions.
* I never carry more than a paper folder, my laptop, and *sometimes* a class book in my bag.
Any paper materials get scanned into a PDF and imported into the appropriate class section at a later time.
* During class, I can surf and quickly find additional relevant material that might bolster in class discussions or allow me to briefly absorb additional information on a particular topic (or surf the web if the lecture gets halted).
* Jotting down diagrams is actually better since I can use the built in tools to draw better than I could freehand.
* The choice of pen colors and highlighters is great for identifying different types of information.
* For those professors who ask that laptops be put away, I have never been asked to shut off my tablet.
I'm not entirely sure why; it may be that they just don't notice that I have one.I am ambivalent towards the concept that laptops in class are a distraction.
I have seen plenty of students who abuse the use of laptops in class (like streaming TV).
However, I feel that as long as I am not distracting my fellow students from learning, I am paying (a lot) to learn and should be allowed to learn in the manner that I feel is most effective.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31062234</id>
	<title>imMute</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265653920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I take all my notes using a Convertible laptop - a Gateway C-140X.  I'm extremely sad to see this class of laptop/tablet systems disappear, because it's incredibly useful.  Even though its almost 3 years old, it's still powerful enough to run most of the software I use in classes, and its Wacom pen-nabled tablet screen combines with OneNote to make the perfect note taking combination.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I take all my notes using a Convertible laptop - a Gateway C-140X .
I 'm extremely sad to see this class of laptop/tablet systems disappear , because it 's incredibly useful .
Even though its almost 3 years old , it 's still powerful enough to run most of the software I use in classes , and its Wacom pen-nabled tablet screen combines with OneNote to make the perfect note taking combination .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I take all my notes using a Convertible laptop - a Gateway C-140X.
I'm extremely sad to see this class of laptop/tablet systems disappear, because it's incredibly useful.
Even though its almost 3 years old, it's still powerful enough to run most of the software I use in classes, and its Wacom pen-nabled tablet screen combines with OneNote to make the perfect note taking combination.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054838</id>
	<title>STOP taking notes already !</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265537460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Audio and Video recorded lectures plus transcripts given in electronic format( pdf, djvu, etc.) = PROBLEM SOLVED.</p><p>We dont need thousands of students writing down the exact same thing<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... are we training secretaries.<br>We have computers<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... so lets use them. And stop this stupid note taking and start paying more attention to the lecture.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Audio and Video recorded lectures plus transcripts given in electronic format ( pdf , djvu , etc .
) = PROBLEM SOLVED.We dont need thousands of students writing down the exact same thing ... are we training secretaries.We have computers ... so lets use them .
And stop this stupid note taking and start paying more attention to the lecture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Audio and Video recorded lectures plus transcripts given in electronic format( pdf, djvu, etc.
) = PROBLEM SOLVED.We dont need thousands of students writing down the exact same thing ... are we training secretaries.We have computers ... so lets use them.
And stop this stupid note taking and start paying more attention to the lecture.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31054734</id>
	<title>Depends on the class</title>
	<author>cetialphav</author>
	<datestamp>1265536740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Within the computer science realm, I found there were two major lecture methods being used.  The first and most common was a lecture based off of powerpoint slides and the slides are almost always available in advance.  Those classes are easy because you can just print the slides (or view them on your notebook) and just take some small notes on the few things not covered in the slides.</p><p>The other major method was usually for the more mathematically oriented classes and involved seeing hand-written proofs, equations and diagrams.  I think the best method was to use pen and paper to write things down.  Then, the next day I transcribe those notes into a LaTeX document.  Transcribing makes you go back and follow through all the math and you can take your time to make sure it looks nice.  I then study off of the electronic version (which I call my cheatsheet).</p><p>As a side note, I always recommend making cheatsheets for every class.  It isn't that you actually cheat, but you say if I were going to cheat, what would I want to have with me.  It forces you to concisely summarize the class in a small space and is very useful and forces you to go beyond just tryng to memorize things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Within the computer science realm , I found there were two major lecture methods being used .
The first and most common was a lecture based off of powerpoint slides and the slides are almost always available in advance .
Those classes are easy because you can just print the slides ( or view them on your notebook ) and just take some small notes on the few things not covered in the slides.The other major method was usually for the more mathematically oriented classes and involved seeing hand-written proofs , equations and diagrams .
I think the best method was to use pen and paper to write things down .
Then , the next day I transcribe those notes into a LaTeX document .
Transcribing makes you go back and follow through all the math and you can take your time to make sure it looks nice .
I then study off of the electronic version ( which I call my cheatsheet ) .As a side note , I always recommend making cheatsheets for every class .
It is n't that you actually cheat , but you say if I were going to cheat , what would I want to have with me .
It forces you to concisely summarize the class in a small space and is very useful and forces you to go beyond just tryng to memorize things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Within the computer science realm, I found there were two major lecture methods being used.
The first and most common was a lecture based off of powerpoint slides and the slides are almost always available in advance.
Those classes are easy because you can just print the slides (or view them on your notebook) and just take some small notes on the few things not covered in the slides.The other major method was usually for the more mathematically oriented classes and involved seeing hand-written proofs, equations and diagrams.
I think the best method was to use pen and paper to write things down.
Then, the next day I transcribe those notes into a LaTeX document.
Transcribing makes you go back and follow through all the math and you can take your time to make sure it looks nice.
I then study off of the electronic version (which I call my cheatsheet).As a side note, I always recommend making cheatsheets for every class.
It isn't that you actually cheat, but you say if I were going to cheat, what would I want to have with me.
It forces you to concisely summarize the class in a small space and is very useful and forces you to go beyond just tryng to memorize things.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1842206.31057440</id>
	<title>Use a Smartpen!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265559540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ensure you don't miss a word when you're taking notes with the Pulse smartpen. This sophisticated gadget records audio in its 2GB memory, linking it with what you've written so you can easily catch any missed words simply by tapping the smartpen tip to your notes. In addition, by capturing everything you write and draw, the Pulse smartpen makes it easy to transfer your notes to a computer for convenient searching and organization.</p><p>http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Livescribe+-+Pulse+Smartpen+\%282GB\%29/9533347.p?id=1218123142453&amp;skuId=9533347&amp;st=pen</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ensure you do n't miss a word when you 're taking notes with the Pulse smartpen .
This sophisticated gadget records audio in its 2GB memory , linking it with what you 've written so you can easily catch any missed words simply by tapping the smartpen tip to your notes .
In addition , by capturing everything you write and draw , the Pulse smartpen makes it easy to transfer your notes to a computer for convenient searching and organization.http : //www.bestbuy.com/site/Livescribe + - + Pulse + Smartpen + \ % 282GB \ % 29/9533347.p ? id = 1218123142453&amp;skuId = 9533347&amp;st = pen</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ensure you don't miss a word when you're taking notes with the Pulse smartpen.
This sophisticated gadget records audio in its 2GB memory, linking it with what you've written so you can easily catch any missed words simply by tapping the smartpen tip to your notes.
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