<article>
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	<title>AU Gov't Still Wants ISPs To Solve Illegal Downloads</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1265553360000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>bennyboy64 writes <i>"Australia's Minister for Communications wants internet providers and the film industry to <a href="http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Conroy-calls-for-piracy-code-of-conduct/0,130061791,339300874,00.htm">sit down and work out a solution to stop illegal movie downloads</a>, despite a judge ruling in favor of an internet provider <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/03/2347208/Landmark-Ruling-Gives-Australian-ISPs-Safe-Harbor">not being responsible</a> for policing illegal downloads. The film studios first <a href="http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Studios-sue-iiNet-over-video-piracy/0,130061791,339293425,00.htm">dragged internet provider iiNet into the Federal Court</a> back in November 2008, arguing that the ISP infringed copyright by failing to take reasonable steps &mdash; including enforcing its own terms and conditions &mdash; to prevent customers from copying films and TV shows over its network."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>bennyboy64 writes " Australia 's Minister for Communications wants internet providers and the film industry to sit down and work out a solution to stop illegal movie downloads , despite a judge ruling in favor of an internet provider not being responsible for policing illegal downloads .
The film studios first dragged internet provider iiNet into the Federal Court back in November 2008 , arguing that the ISP infringed copyright by failing to take reasonable steps    including enforcing its own terms and conditions    to prevent customers from copying films and TV shows over its network .
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<sentencetext>bennyboy64 writes "Australia's Minister for Communications wants internet providers and the film industry to sit down and work out a solution to stop illegal movie downloads, despite a judge ruling in favor of an internet provider not being responsible for policing illegal downloads.
The film studios first dragged internet provider iiNet into the Federal Court back in November 2008, arguing that the ISP infringed copyright by failing to take reasonable steps — including enforcing its own terms and conditions — to prevent customers from copying films and TV shows over its network.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31057536</id>
	<title>Re:this is simple</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265560440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How the fuck was this modded "Insightful"?</p><p>This is the same kind of dumbfuck reasoning behind drug culture pushing to get children high. Downloading copyrighted material is ALREADY legal, it's called paying for it. The only people having problems downloading content illegally are FUCKING THIEVES who won't pay.</p><p>Herp a derp, I don't want to spend my allowance and want everything for free. Grow up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How the fuck was this modded " Insightful " ? This is the same kind of dumbfuck reasoning behind drug culture pushing to get children high .
Downloading copyrighted material is ALREADY legal , it 's called paying for it .
The only people having problems downloading content illegally are FUCKING THIEVES who wo n't pay.Herp a derp , I do n't want to spend my allowance and want everything for free .
Grow up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How the fuck was this modded "Insightful"?This is the same kind of dumbfuck reasoning behind drug culture pushing to get children high.
Downloading copyrighted material is ALREADY legal, it's called paying for it.
The only people having problems downloading content illegally are FUCKING THIEVES who won't pay.Herp a derp, I don't want to spend my allowance and want everything for free.
Grow up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31053806</id>
	<title>Re:And I hereby request</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265572560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That solution is fairly easy to accomplish: Stop being stupid about copyright law, and we won't murder any politicians.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That solution is fairly easy to accomplish : Stop being stupid about copyright law , and we wo n't murder any politicians .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That solution is fairly easy to accomplish: Stop being stupid about copyright law, and we won't murder any politicians.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31060536</id>
	<title>Re:Reality check, folks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265644860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bollocks - if you don't spend the money on music, you spend it somewhere else. As long as its being spent the Gov see their tax $/&pound;'s.</p><p>The only exception to this is when the money goes towards a black market - the only reason for which is because the real market has either failed to provide, or failed to provide at a level equal to what the black market offers. This is what would normally happen with the music industry - if it hadn't been for piracy becoming pretty much free. So technically, piracy has allowed people an alternative to the black market for music, allowing them to keep their cash and spend it elsewhere - hopefully the majority do it on taxable objects/services.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bollocks - if you do n't spend the money on music , you spend it somewhere else .
As long as its being spent the Gov see their tax $ /   's.The only exception to this is when the money goes towards a black market - the only reason for which is because the real market has either failed to provide , or failed to provide at a level equal to what the black market offers .
This is what would normally happen with the music industry - if it had n't been for piracy becoming pretty much free .
So technically , piracy has allowed people an alternative to the black market for music , allowing them to keep their cash and spend it elsewhere - hopefully the majority do it on taxable objects/services .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bollocks - if you don't spend the money on music, you spend it somewhere else.
As long as its being spent the Gov see their tax $/£'s.The only exception to this is when the money goes towards a black market - the only reason for which is because the real market has either failed to provide, or failed to provide at a level equal to what the black market offers.
This is what would normally happen with the music industry - if it hadn't been for piracy becoming pretty much free.
So technically, piracy has allowed people an alternative to the black market for music, allowing them to keep their cash and spend it elsewhere - hopefully the majority do it on taxable objects/services.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31056486</id>
	<title>Re:Apologies</title>
	<author>Demonoid-Penguin</author>
	<datestamp>1265550420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sorry. I'm Australian. I too apologize for our government.
<p>
The government that we, voting Australians, voted into office.
</p><p>
I sincerely apologize to the world, for my fellow Australians who are either too apathetic, or too stupidly self-interested, to put the right people and policies into government.
</p><p>
Parties and candidates get elected.
Policies are determined by Parties need for a majority.
</p><p>
When you vote (if you do) you determine the candidate for that election *and you influence* the *next* election agenda.
</p><p>
To the "arseclowns" who are not Australian, and would propose how we Australians should do things - it's pressure from non-Australian interest that set the copyright agenda.
</p><p>
PS. Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels - so bite me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sorry .
I 'm Australian .
I too apologize for our government .
The government that we , voting Australians , voted into office .
I sincerely apologize to the world , for my fellow Australians who are either too apathetic , or too stupidly self-interested , to put the right people and policies into government .
Parties and candidates get elected .
Policies are determined by Parties need for a majority .
When you vote ( if you do ) you determine the candidate for that election * and you influence * the * next * election agenda .
To the " arseclowns " who are not Australian , and would propose how we Australians should do things - it 's pressure from non-Australian interest that set the copyright agenda .
PS. Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels - so bite me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sorry.
I'm Australian.
I too apologize for our government.
The government that we, voting Australians, voted into office.
I sincerely apologize to the world, for my fellow Australians who are either too apathetic, or too stupidly self-interested, to put the right people and policies into government.
Parties and candidates get elected.
Policies are determined by Parties need for a majority.
When you vote (if you do) you determine the candidate for that election *and you influence* the *next* election agenda.
To the "arseclowns" who are not Australian, and would propose how we Australians should do things - it's pressure from non-Australian interest that set the copyright agenda.
PS. Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels - so bite me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052850</id>
	<title>Re:Why have talks when you won in court?</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1265563800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why should the ISPs enter into talks when they've already won in court?</p></div><p>You can win as many times as you like in court, if the legislature doesn't like the verdicts being given in court they'll pass laws to change future verdicts.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why should the ISPs enter into talks when they 've already won in court ? You can win as many times as you like in court , if the legislature does n't like the verdicts being given in court they 'll pass laws to change future verdicts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why should the ISPs enter into talks when they've already won in court?You can win as many times as you like in court, if the legislature doesn't like the verdicts being given in court they'll pass laws to change future verdicts.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31059782</id>
	<title>Re:Prove I would have bought it...</title>
	<author>JohhnyTHM</author>
	<datestamp>1265638200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think the biggest Media fear is that when they release crap products consumers will find out it's crap before purchasing it (through piracy) - since we're having more and more retailers saying 'once opened you can't return' WE would be screwed, but THEY would make Money.</p></div><p>This seems to have happened already.  Look how album sales have dropped but singles sales are up.  Why pay full price for an album when there is only one good track on it?</p></div>
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<tokenext>I think the biggest Media fear is that when they release crap products consumers will find out it 's crap before purchasing it ( through piracy ) - since we 're having more and more retailers saying 'once opened you ca n't return ' WE would be screwed , but THEY would make Money.This seems to have happened already .
Look how album sales have dropped but singles sales are up .
Why pay full price for an album when there is only one good track on it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the biggest Media fear is that when they release crap products consumers will find out it's crap before purchasing it (through piracy) - since we're having more and more retailers saying 'once opened you can't return' WE would be screwed, but THEY would make Money.This seems to have happened already.
Look how album sales have dropped but singles sales are up.
Why pay full price for an album when there is only one good track on it?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31058870</id>
	<title>If there were a solution...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265620560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't it have been developed sometime since video tape was introduced...?</p><p>If nothing else, torrents can be mislabeled..like that never happens. Or encrypted to disuse the stream contents.</p><p>The easiest way is to provide the content, with ads, in low resolution in mass different torrent schemes--which would effectively advertise while disrupting the distribution efforts of high rez stuff.</p><p>Personally, like software piracy, the industry greatly overestimates their losses. I often download movies just in order to see if they're worth watching...many never hit theateres and, unlike a theater, where you can demand your money back with some success, ery few places will accept the return of a dvd--and many movies are simply not worth watching unless you're desperate to kill time. I see a lot of stuff this way I would NEVER have paid to see, and I've bought dvd's &amp; gone to theaters because of seeing some of them. Wuith software, a lot of pirated stuff is not something that the person would have purchaseed unless the price wre much lower because the value isn't there for them--how many people would buy a copy of a $500 or 5,000 prohgram if they were only going to use it a couple times a year</p><p>If you can see it, you can copy it...cam copies of movies kinda prove the point.</p><p>The guy who stole the process of manufacturing the Pentium so he could give it to Cuba, did so despite being locked against downloading files by viewing them and video taping....</p><p>Heck, I've had W-M, who routinely accept the return of items they never carried tell me that they wouldn't accept return of a DVD which was full-screen rather than the labelled windowed version (a complaint to corporate got me the right to exchange the $5 DVD for ANY other DVD...)</p><p>I guess I'll start going to see films and demand my money back if it stinks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't it have been developed sometime since video tape was introduced... ? If nothing else , torrents can be mislabeled..like that never happens .
Or encrypted to disuse the stream contents.The easiest way is to provide the content , with ads , in low resolution in mass different torrent schemes--which would effectively advertise while disrupting the distribution efforts of high rez stuff.Personally , like software piracy , the industry greatly overestimates their losses .
I often download movies just in order to see if they 're worth watching...many never hit theateres and , unlike a theater , where you can demand your money back with some success , ery few places will accept the return of a dvd--and many movies are simply not worth watching unless you 're desperate to kill time .
I see a lot of stuff this way I would NEVER have paid to see , and I 've bought dvd 's &amp; gone to theaters because of seeing some of them .
Wuith software , a lot of pirated stuff is not something that the person would have purchaseed unless the price wre much lower because the value is n't there for them--how many people would buy a copy of a $ 500 or 5,000 prohgram if they were only going to use it a couple times a yearIf you can see it , you can copy it...cam copies of movies kinda prove the point.The guy who stole the process of manufacturing the Pentium so he could give it to Cuba , did so despite being locked against downloading files by viewing them and video taping....Heck , I 've had W-M , who routinely accept the return of items they never carried tell me that they would n't accept return of a DVD which was full-screen rather than the labelled windowed version ( a complaint to corporate got me the right to exchange the $ 5 DVD for ANY other DVD... ) I guess I 'll start going to see films and demand my money back if it stinks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't it have been developed sometime since video tape was introduced...?If nothing else, torrents can be mislabeled..like that never happens.
Or encrypted to disuse the stream contents.The easiest way is to provide the content, with ads, in low resolution in mass different torrent schemes--which would effectively advertise while disrupting the distribution efforts of high rez stuff.Personally, like software piracy, the industry greatly overestimates their losses.
I often download movies just in order to see if they're worth watching...many never hit theateres and, unlike a theater, where you can demand your money back with some success, ery few places will accept the return of a dvd--and many movies are simply not worth watching unless you're desperate to kill time.
I see a lot of stuff this way I would NEVER have paid to see, and I've bought dvd's &amp; gone to theaters because of seeing some of them.
Wuith software, a lot of pirated stuff is not something that the person would have purchaseed unless the price wre much lower because the value isn't there for them--how many people would buy a copy of a $500 or 5,000 prohgram if they were only going to use it a couple times a yearIf you can see it, you can copy it...cam copies of movies kinda prove the point.The guy who stole the process of manufacturing the Pentium so he could give it to Cuba, did so despite being locked against downloading files by viewing them and video taping....Heck, I've had W-M, who routinely accept the return of items they never carried tell me that they wouldn't accept return of a DVD which was full-screen rather than the labelled windowed version (a complaint to corporate got me the right to exchange the $5 DVD for ANY other DVD...)I guess I'll start going to see films and demand my money back if it stinks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052808</id>
	<title>Governments fail again...</title>
	<author>Joce640k</author>
	<datestamp>1265563320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Again the people in charge of the country show their complete ignorance of the Internet.</p><p>Short of pulling out the cable there is no possible technical solution to stop people copying files across the Internet because <b>that's what it's for</b>.</p><p>You might be able to defeat the current generation of P2P programs but it's 100\% certain that the programs will adapt.</p><p>Here's a better idea: Force the movie/music industries to provide an attractive/convenient alternative at a realistic price. eg. You pay $2 to watch a movie on demand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Again the people in charge of the country show their complete ignorance of the Internet.Short of pulling out the cable there is no possible technical solution to stop people copying files across the Internet because that 's what it 's for.You might be able to defeat the current generation of P2P programs but it 's 100 \ % certain that the programs will adapt.Here 's a better idea : Force the movie/music industries to provide an attractive/convenient alternative at a realistic price .
eg. You pay $ 2 to watch a movie on demand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Again the people in charge of the country show their complete ignorance of the Internet.Short of pulling out the cable there is no possible technical solution to stop people copying files across the Internet because that's what it's for.You might be able to defeat the current generation of P2P programs but it's 100\% certain that the programs will adapt.Here's a better idea: Force the movie/music industries to provide an attractive/convenient alternative at a realistic price.
eg. You pay $2 to watch a movie on demand.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052594</id>
	<title>Re:Not My Problem?</title>
	<author>grimJester</author>
	<datestamp>1265560560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Politicians make the laws. They can't just shrug and say "The courts already decided the issue".<br> <br>That said, the ISPs have no incentive to spend money policing their customers. I don't think the studios are prepared to pay for any filtering either. Despite what they claim, they don't see piracy as a big enough money drain that spending loads of cash on ISP level policing would be worth it. Piracy is just an excuse to get tighter copyright laws.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Politicians make the laws .
They ca n't just shrug and say " The courts already decided the issue " .
That said , the ISPs have no incentive to spend money policing their customers .
I do n't think the studios are prepared to pay for any filtering either .
Despite what they claim , they do n't see piracy as a big enough money drain that spending loads of cash on ISP level policing would be worth it .
Piracy is just an excuse to get tighter copyright laws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Politicians make the laws.
They can't just shrug and say "The courts already decided the issue".
That said, the ISPs have no incentive to spend money policing their customers.
I don't think the studios are prepared to pay for any filtering either.
Despite what they claim, they don't see piracy as a big enough money drain that spending loads of cash on ISP level policing would be worth it.
Piracy is just an excuse to get tighter copyright laws.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052294</id>
	<title>Here's an idea..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265557140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Flood torrent trackers with episodes of Neighbors.</p><p>- NS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Flood torrent trackers with episodes of Neighbors.- NS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Flood torrent trackers with episodes of Neighbors.- NS</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31058838</id>
	<title>Re:Gah - somebody stop this ridiculous man</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265620080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Better yet vote for <a href="http://pirateparty.org.au/faq" title="pirateparty.org.au" rel="nofollow">Pirate Party Australia</a> [pirateparty.org.au] or <a href="http://www.sexparty.org.au/index.php/policies" title="sexparty.org.au" rel="nofollow">The Australian Sex Party</a> [sexparty.org.au] both of whom are against internet censorship in their policies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Better yet vote for Pirate Party Australia [ pirateparty.org.au ] or The Australian Sex Party [ sexparty.org.au ] both of whom are against internet censorship in their policies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better yet vote for Pirate Party Australia [pirateparty.org.au] or The Australian Sex Party [sexparty.org.au] both of whom are against internet censorship in their policies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052534</id>
	<title>Gah - somebody stop this ridiculous man</title>
	<author>GrubLord</author>
	<datestamp>1265559780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not representational government when you blindly push your personal agenda against the objections of just about every stakeholder and expert in the system.</p><p>I wish Steven Conroy would hurry up and get caught looking at naughty pics of Miranda Kerr on the (uncensored) Internet during a newscast and fired, so the free world can stop giggling at all these Australian human rights violations and we can all get back to being the relaxed outback heroes people used to think of us as.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not representational government when you blindly push your personal agenda against the objections of just about every stakeholder and expert in the system.I wish Steven Conroy would hurry up and get caught looking at naughty pics of Miranda Kerr on the ( uncensored ) Internet during a newscast and fired , so the free world can stop giggling at all these Australian human rights violations and we can all get back to being the relaxed outback heroes people used to think of us as .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not representational government when you blindly push your personal agenda against the objections of just about every stakeholder and expert in the system.I wish Steven Conroy would hurry up and get caught looking at naughty pics of Miranda Kerr on the (uncensored) Internet during a newscast and fired, so the free world can stop giggling at all these Australian human rights violations and we can all get back to being the relaxed outback heroes people used to think of us as.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31056616</id>
	<title>Re:Here's an idea..</title>
	<author>giarcgood</author>
	<datestamp>1265551560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In order to win a Senate seat, the party has to gain a quota of votes. If the party gains two quotas, they get two Senate seats, and so on. In Conroy's case, he is <b>the first candidate on Labor's Victorian Senate ticket</b> - so if Labor gets a quota in Victoria, he's in. Doesn't matter how many quotas Labor gets, if they get just one, he's in.</p></div><p>This is true if all people voted above the line. The voting actually happens on individuals, it is just that parties can nominate how an above the line vote gets distributed.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Now tell me - what do <i>you</i> think are the odds that Labor doesn't get a Senate quota in this year's Federal election?</p></div><p>I think the probability is zero. It could happen if people voted below the line, the vast majority don't. Even if it was optional preferential people could just order their party selections and leave everything else. Currently I think that would be thrown away though.</p></div>
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<tokenext>In order to win a Senate seat , the party has to gain a quota of votes .
If the party gains two quotas , they get two Senate seats , and so on .
In Conroy 's case , he is the first candidate on Labor 's Victorian Senate ticket - so if Labor gets a quota in Victoria , he 's in .
Does n't matter how many quotas Labor gets , if they get just one , he 's in.This is true if all people voted above the line .
The voting actually happens on individuals , it is just that parties can nominate how an above the line vote gets distributed.Now tell me - what do you think are the odds that Labor does n't get a Senate quota in this year 's Federal election ? I think the probability is zero .
It could happen if people voted below the line , the vast majority do n't .
Even if it was optional preferential people could just order their party selections and leave everything else .
Currently I think that would be thrown away though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In order to win a Senate seat, the party has to gain a quota of votes.
If the party gains two quotas, they get two Senate seats, and so on.
In Conroy's case, he is the first candidate on Labor's Victorian Senate ticket - so if Labor gets a quota in Victoria, he's in.
Doesn't matter how many quotas Labor gets, if they get just one, he's in.This is true if all people voted above the line.
The voting actually happens on individuals, it is just that parties can nominate how an above the line vote gets distributed.Now tell me - what do you think are the odds that Labor doesn't get a Senate quota in this year's Federal election?I think the probability is zero.
It could happen if people voted below the line, the vast majority don't.
Even if it was optional preferential people could just order their party selections and leave everything else.
Currently I think that would be thrown away though.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31060086</id>
	<title>Re:Not My Problem?</title>
	<author>AGMW</author>
	<datestamp>1265641140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What part of a court ordered "Not My Problem" does the AU politicians not understand about policing illegal downloads?</p><p>I dunno, I think the ISPs could use this as leverage against the studios to really pay up. Almost to extortion, but legal.</p><p>Want us to police your content, we dont, but if you offer good enough incentive, we might make an effort to work with you, but we dont really have to.</p></div><p>
There are a number of laws that make doing dodgy stuff using <i>snail mail</i> illegal, but they don't force the Post Office to open all the mail and check for illegal content?
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What part of a court ordered " Not My Problem " does the AU politicians not understand about policing illegal downloads ? I dunno , I think the ISPs could use this as leverage against the studios to really pay up .
Almost to extortion , but legal.Want us to police your content , we dont , but if you offer good enough incentive , we might make an effort to work with you , but we dont really have to .
There are a number of laws that make doing dodgy stuff using snail mail illegal , but they do n't force the Post Office to open all the mail and check for illegal content ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What part of a court ordered "Not My Problem" does the AU politicians not understand about policing illegal downloads?I dunno, I think the ISPs could use this as leverage against the studios to really pay up.
Almost to extortion, but legal.Want us to police your content, we dont, but if you offer good enough incentive, we might make an effort to work with you, but we dont really have to.
There are a number of laws that make doing dodgy stuff using snail mail illegal, but they don't force the Post Office to open all the mail and check for illegal content?

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31053190</id>
	<title>Re:And I hereby request</title>
	<author>davester666</author>
	<datestamp>1265566860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't it more like, people are complaining about telephone-related fraud, so would the telephone company please listen to EVERY SINGLE phone conversation, and then report to the police all the calls that are fraud-related.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't it more like , people are complaining about telephone-related fraud , so would the telephone company please listen to EVERY SINGLE phone conversation , and then report to the police all the calls that are fraud-related .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't it more like, people are complaining about telephone-related fraud, so would the telephone company please listen to EVERY SINGLE phone conversation, and then report to the police all the calls that are fraud-related.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31058926</id>
	<title>Re:About Want...</title>
	<author>dpastern</author>
	<datestamp>1265621580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The guy's a grade A fuckwit.  In fact, our current government is as useless as tits on a bull*</p><p>Dave</p><p>*in fact, I'd prefer to grapple with the tits on a bull rather than listen to Krudd and Co.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The guy 's a grade A fuckwit .
In fact , our current government is as useless as tits on a bull * Dave * in fact , I 'd prefer to grapple with the tits on a bull rather than listen to Krudd and Co .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The guy's a grade A fuckwit.
In fact, our current government is as useless as tits on a bull*Dave*in fact, I'd prefer to grapple with the tits on a bull rather than listen to Krudd and Co.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31059506</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe it's time for real reform?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265632680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you think maybe if there was jail time for it, people wouldn't do it as much, and it would overall cost less?</p><p>Or are you saying that pirates are so addicted to downloading material that apparently they don't even like, that even the threat of jail time won't stop them?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you think maybe if there was jail time for it , people would n't do it as much , and it would overall cost less ? Or are you saying that pirates are so addicted to downloading material that apparently they do n't even like , that even the threat of jail time wo n't stop them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you think maybe if there was jail time for it, people wouldn't do it as much, and it would overall cost less?Or are you saying that pirates are so addicted to downloading material that apparently they don't even like, that even the threat of jail time won't stop them?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31057102</id>
	<title>Re:Gah - somebody stop this ridiculous man</title>
	<author>asifyoucare</author>
	<datestamp>1265556360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Conroy is a complete twit.  The man admits to learning difficulties, yet still feels he is competent to run a complex portfolio.</p><p>He has my sympathy for his difficulties but surely he should realise that someone without his difficulties would probably do a much better job as communications minister.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Conroy is a complete twit .
The man admits to learning difficulties , yet still feels he is competent to run a complex portfolio.He has my sympathy for his difficulties but surely he should realise that someone without his difficulties would probably do a much better job as communications minister .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Conroy is a complete twit.
The man admits to learning difficulties, yet still feels he is competent to run a complex portfolio.He has my sympathy for his difficulties but surely he should realise that someone without his difficulties would probably do a much better job as communications minister.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31053242</id>
	<title>The clueless leading the cluelesser</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265567340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I love it when clueless amateurs try to solve an NP-hard problem like this. Actually, I hate it because they end up foisting their ignorance on our shoulders and out of our pocketbooks. I say, let the recording industry pay ALL of the costs for this activity if they are that convinced it can be done. As a software engineer and member of the IEEE with 30 years experience including the design and implementation of distributed large-scale high-reliability systems in use world-wide, publication in technical academic text books, given invited research papers at very high-brow technical conferences, and awarded US patents for adaptive systems, I think they are blowing smoke out of their you-know-wheres.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I love it when clueless amateurs try to solve an NP-hard problem like this .
Actually , I hate it because they end up foisting their ignorance on our shoulders and out of our pocketbooks .
I say , let the recording industry pay ALL of the costs for this activity if they are that convinced it can be done .
As a software engineer and member of the IEEE with 30 years experience including the design and implementation of distributed large-scale high-reliability systems in use world-wide , publication in technical academic text books , given invited research papers at very high-brow technical conferences , and awarded US patents for adaptive systems , I think they are blowing smoke out of their you-know-wheres .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love it when clueless amateurs try to solve an NP-hard problem like this.
Actually, I hate it because they end up foisting their ignorance on our shoulders and out of our pocketbooks.
I say, let the recording industry pay ALL of the costs for this activity if they are that convinced it can be done.
As a software engineer and member of the IEEE with 30 years experience including the design and implementation of distributed large-scale high-reliability systems in use world-wide, publication in technical academic text books, given invited research papers at very high-brow technical conferences, and awarded US patents for adaptive systems, I think they are blowing smoke out of their you-know-wheres.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31054090</id>
	<title>Jail for Downloads?  See ACTA</title>
	<author>KwKSilver</author>
	<datestamp>1265575020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>You seriously want to put people in jail for copyright infringement? So, someone downloads a 0.99$USD song illegally and you make a government waste thousands of dollars for this person?</p></div></blockquote><p>
Not him, but ACTA will do this.  Interesting thing about ACTA is that the Kopyright Kartel Kompanies blame the secrecy on govermnents, and they  blame one another.  When kids start drawing prison terms for downloading 99-cent songs, the Kartel will claim they didn't want it and governments will claim they didn't want it, either.  So kids will go to jail for 99-cent downloads<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... because nobody wants it.  From Michael Geist's summary of the October 2008 negotiations <a href="http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/3786/125/" title="michaelgeist.ca">here</a> [michaelgeist.ca] </p><blockquote><div><p>Day one focuses on criminal enforcement.  The U.S. and Japan supply draft text of the criminal enforcement provisions.  The proposal would extend criminal enforcement to both (1) cases of a commercial nature; and (2) cases involving significant willful copyright and trademark infringement even where there is no direct or indirect motivation of financial gain.  The treaty would require each country to establish a laundry list of penalties - including imprisonment - sufficient to deter future acts of infringement (specific language is "include sentences of imprisonment as well as monetary fines<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..."</p></div></blockquote><p>

Ain't that grand?  Nobody wants it, but it's coming. But its all a secret because nobody wants it to be secret either.  Liars.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You seriously want to put people in jail for copyright infringement ?
So , someone downloads a 0.99 $ USD song illegally and you make a government waste thousands of dollars for this person ?
Not him , but ACTA will do this .
Interesting thing about ACTA is that the Kopyright Kartel Kompanies blame the secrecy on govermnents , and they blame one another .
When kids start drawing prison terms for downloading 99-cent songs , the Kartel will claim they did n't want it and governments will claim they did n't want it , either .
So kids will go to jail for 99-cent downloads ... because nobody wants it .
From Michael Geist 's summary of the October 2008 negotiations here [ michaelgeist.ca ] Day one focuses on criminal enforcement .
The U.S. and Japan supply draft text of the criminal enforcement provisions .
The proposal would extend criminal enforcement to both ( 1 ) cases of a commercial nature ; and ( 2 ) cases involving significant willful copyright and trademark infringement even where there is no direct or indirect motivation of financial gain .
The treaty would require each country to establish a laundry list of penalties - including imprisonment - sufficient to deter future acts of infringement ( specific language is " include sentences of imprisonment as well as monetary fines ... " Ai n't that grand ?
Nobody wants it , but it 's coming .
But its all a secret because nobody wants it to be secret either .
Liars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You seriously want to put people in jail for copyright infringement?
So, someone downloads a 0.99$USD song illegally and you make a government waste thousands of dollars for this person?
Not him, but ACTA will do this.
Interesting thing about ACTA is that the Kopyright Kartel Kompanies blame the secrecy on govermnents, and they  blame one another.
When kids start drawing prison terms for downloading 99-cent songs, the Kartel will claim they didn't want it and governments will claim they didn't want it, either.
So kids will go to jail for 99-cent downloads ... because nobody wants it.
From Michael Geist's summary of the October 2008 negotiations here [michaelgeist.ca] Day one focuses on criminal enforcement.
The U.S. and Japan supply draft text of the criminal enforcement provisions.
The proposal would extend criminal enforcement to both (1) cases of a commercial nature; and (2) cases involving significant willful copyright and trademark infringement even where there is no direct or indirect motivation of financial gain.
The treaty would require each country to establish a laundry list of penalties - including imprisonment - sufficient to deter future acts of infringement (specific language is "include sentences of imprisonment as well as monetary fines ..."

Ain't that grand?
Nobody wants it, but it's coming.
But its all a secret because nobody wants it to be secret either.
Liars.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31056332</id>
	<title>Think of the children! Oh, won't somebody please..</title>
	<author>soporific16</author>
	<datestamp>1265548620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>think of the children! And by children i mean profit from movies, music, digital content, whatever. Here we have a situation where it's clear to every technologically minded person on the planet that the old business model of 'units' and 'profits' has been made obsolete, and yet the primary focus of politicians will be to try to preserve the old business models because this is where the donations come from for some time to come. Think of the profits! Oh, won't somebody please think of the profits!</htmltext>
<tokenext>think of the children !
And by children i mean profit from movies , music , digital content , whatever .
Here we have a situation where it 's clear to every technologically minded person on the planet that the old business model of 'units ' and 'profits ' has been made obsolete , and yet the primary focus of politicians will be to try to preserve the old business models because this is where the donations come from for some time to come .
Think of the profits !
Oh , wo n't somebody please think of the profits !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>think of the children!
And by children i mean profit from movies, music, digital content, whatever.
Here we have a situation where it's clear to every technologically minded person on the planet that the old business model of 'units' and 'profits' has been made obsolete, and yet the primary focus of politicians will be to try to preserve the old business models because this is where the donations come from for some time to come.
Think of the profits!
Oh, won't somebody please think of the profits!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31059412</id>
	<title>Re:this is simple</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265630640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can we PLEASE get this logic applied to other issues? There's someone I'd really like to murder^W infringe upon the breathing rights of.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can we PLEASE get this logic applied to other issues ?
There 's someone I 'd really like to murder ^ W infringe upon the breathing rights of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can we PLEASE get this logic applied to other issues?
There's someone I'd really like to murder^W infringe upon the breathing rights of.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31065524</id>
	<title>Re:Here's an idea..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265625600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is true.</p><p>And the day that more than a very small minority vote below the line in an Australian Senate election will be the same day that Satan goes looking for a pair of ice skates. Most people don't know, and don't <i>care</i>, about the way Senate voting works, so they just blithely mark a "1" in their party's box.</p><p>I vote below the line (or, if I vote above the line, it's because I've researched the party tickets and I'm happy with one of them.) <b>Most people do not</b>, and no intellectual masturbation on Slashdot is going to change that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is true.And the day that more than a very small minority vote below the line in an Australian Senate election will be the same day that Satan goes looking for a pair of ice skates .
Most people do n't know , and do n't care , about the way Senate voting works , so they just blithely mark a " 1 " in their party 's box.I vote below the line ( or , if I vote above the line , it 's because I 've researched the party tickets and I 'm happy with one of them .
) Most people do not , and no intellectual masturbation on Slashdot is going to change that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is true.And the day that more than a very small minority vote below the line in an Australian Senate election will be the same day that Satan goes looking for a pair of ice skates.
Most people don't know, and don't care, about the way Senate voting works, so they just blithely mark a "1" in their party's box.I vote below the line (or, if I vote above the line, it's because I've researched the party tickets and I'm happy with one of them.
) Most people do not, and no intellectual masturbation on Slashdot is going to change that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31056824</id>
	<title>Re:Gah - somebody stop this ridiculous man</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265553360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Problem is, if we vote Green then Labour gets in on preferences, if we vote Liberal then we're likely to see a lot more sympathy by government for the media companies. Either way, the whole "in the public interest" ideal is lost and corporate greed continues to cripple the rights of our citizens!</p><p>Perhaps we should just move ourselves outside the "12-mile limit", and while we're at it, set up a pirate radio station and mail service, just to save ourselves the trouble!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Problem is , if we vote Green then Labour gets in on preferences , if we vote Liberal then we 're likely to see a lot more sympathy by government for the media companies .
Either way , the whole " in the public interest " ideal is lost and corporate greed continues to cripple the rights of our citizens ! Perhaps we should just move ourselves outside the " 12-mile limit " , and while we 're at it , set up a pirate radio station and mail service , just to save ourselves the trouble !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Problem is, if we vote Green then Labour gets in on preferences, if we vote Liberal then we're likely to see a lot more sympathy by government for the media companies.
Either way, the whole "in the public interest" ideal is lost and corporate greed continues to cripple the rights of our citizens!Perhaps we should just move ourselves outside the "12-mile limit", and while we're at it, set up a pirate radio station and mail service, just to save ourselves the trouble!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052556</id>
	<title>Amish Internet</title>
	<author>Max\_W</author>
	<datestamp>1265560020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since there is no need for a plastic disk, box, paper cover, physical transportation, guarding, air-conditioning, etc. the price of a movie via download should be really attractive.</p><p>But I cannot find a place to download movies and serials legally an conveniently. I saw some sites but they often say that this movie is not for a download in your country. Or a price is really expensive.</p><p>Would it have been possible to forbid cars on early 20th century? It seems that it wouldn't, but there are Amish people who still do not use cars in their villages and towns.</p><p>Maybe the Internet without movies and serials downloads is also possible. Sort of an Amish Internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since there is no need for a plastic disk , box , paper cover , physical transportation , guarding , air-conditioning , etc .
the price of a movie via download should be really attractive.But I can not find a place to download movies and serials legally an conveniently .
I saw some sites but they often say that this movie is not for a download in your country .
Or a price is really expensive.Would it have been possible to forbid cars on early 20th century ?
It seems that it would n't , but there are Amish people who still do not use cars in their villages and towns.Maybe the Internet without movies and serials downloads is also possible .
Sort of an Amish Internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since there is no need for a plastic disk, box, paper cover, physical transportation, guarding, air-conditioning, etc.
the price of a movie via download should be really attractive.But I cannot find a place to download movies and serials legally an conveniently.
I saw some sites but they often say that this movie is not for a download in your country.
Or a price is really expensive.Would it have been possible to forbid cars on early 20th century?
It seems that it wouldn't, but there are Amish people who still do not use cars in their villages and towns.Maybe the Internet without movies and serials downloads is also possible.
Sort of an Amish Internet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31056278</id>
	<title>the law recognises no positive obligation on any p</title>
	<author>konked</author>
	<datestamp>1265547960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>the law recognises no positive obligation on any person to protect the copyright of another

Sooooooo why would ISP's feel obliged to enter into any agreements(unless mutually beneficial) with these vultures?</htmltext>
<tokenext>the law recognises no positive obligation on any person to protect the copyright of another Sooooooo why would ISP 's feel obliged to enter into any agreements ( unless mutually beneficial ) with these vultures ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the law recognises no positive obligation on any person to protect the copyright of another

Sooooooo why would ISP's feel obliged to enter into any agreements(unless mutually beneficial) with these vultures?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31057914</id>
	<title>Re:Here's an idea..</title>
	<author>Meski</author>
	<datestamp>1265563800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do <b>you</b> have any idea how Senate voting works? <br> <br> Each name can have its own number, you are not obliged to vote above the line in party approved mode.  The way it can work is this.  Start putting numbers in each box, starting at n, where n is the number of candidates, and make Conroy's number n, then do n--, and vote for your least liked individuals.  Sure, it takes a little longer, but it's only done every few years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you have any idea how Senate voting works ?
Each name can have its own number , you are not obliged to vote above the line in party approved mode .
The way it can work is this .
Start putting numbers in each box , starting at n , where n is the number of candidates , and make Conroy 's number n , then do n-- , and vote for your least liked individuals .
Sure , it takes a little longer , but it 's only done every few years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you have any idea how Senate voting works?
Each name can have its own number, you are not obliged to vote above the line in party approved mode.
The way it can work is this.
Start putting numbers in each box, starting at n, where n is the number of candidates, and make Conroy's number n, then do n--, and vote for your least liked individuals.
Sure, it takes a little longer, but it's only done every few years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052750</id>
	<title>Highway authorities responsibel for drug trade</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265562420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By the same measure Australia should hold the various highway authorities responsible for all of the illegal traffic in drugs, bootleg CDs, and so on, that is carried on the roads.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By the same measure Australia should hold the various highway authorities responsible for all of the illegal traffic in drugs , bootleg CDs , and so on , that is carried on the roads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By the same measure Australia should hold the various highway authorities responsible for all of the illegal traffic in drugs, bootleg CDs, and so on, that is carried on the roads.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31057278</id>
	<title>Re:Why have talks when you won in court?</title>
	<author>Dan541</author>
	<datestamp>1265557980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because the film industry won't take a "Fuck-off" for a No.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because the film industry wo n't take a " Fuck-off " for a No .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because the film industry won't take a "Fuck-off" for a No.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31056104</id>
	<title>using Internet access without breaking the law?</title>
	<author>h00manist</author>
	<datestamp>1265546220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>w0tz da d34L 0f uz1n d4 n3t 1f y4 c4nt d0 nutin' 1LL3g4l</htmltext>
<tokenext>w0tz da d34L 0f uz1n d4 n3t 1f y4 c4nt d0 nutin ' 1LL3g4l</tokentext>
<sentencetext>w0tz da d34L 0f uz1n d4 n3t 1f y4 c4nt d0 nutin' 1LL3g4l</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31055872</id>
	<title>My theory about the long string of idiots</title>
	<author>dbIII</author>
	<datestamp>1265544420000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Dealing with telephone companies is horrible so communications is a punishment post in government.  We've had a succession of clowns under two governments in that role.<br>If readers are familiar with Telstra and the antics of Sol Trujillo this will make more sense.  He's gone now but Telstra still acts as if they have a fundamental right to be a monopoly without actually doing anything to repair their fixed line network.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dealing with telephone companies is horrible so communications is a punishment post in government .
We 've had a succession of clowns under two governments in that role.If readers are familiar with Telstra and the antics of Sol Trujillo this will make more sense .
He 's gone now but Telstra still acts as if they have a fundamental right to be a monopoly without actually doing anything to repair their fixed line network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dealing with telephone companies is horrible so communications is a punishment post in government.
We've had a succession of clowns under two governments in that role.If readers are familiar with Telstra and the antics of Sol Trujillo this will make more sense.
He's gone now but Telstra still acts as if they have a fundamental right to be a monopoly without actually doing anything to repair their fixed line network.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:And I hereby request</title>
	<author>AGMW</author>
	<datestamp>1265641020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>that the Australian Government and all the potential murderers and all the potential murder victims sit down and work out a solution to stop murder from ever taking place in Australia.</p></div><p>
Hmmm. Wouldn't that be the Aus Gov and the owners of establishments where murders are most likely to take place to sit down and work out a solution<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...
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<tokenext>that the Australian Government and all the potential murderers and all the potential murder victims sit down and work out a solution to stop murder from ever taking place in Australia .
Hmmm. Would n't that be the Aus Gov and the owners of establishments where murders are most likely to take place to sit down and work out a solution .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that the Australian Government and all the potential murderers and all the potential murder victims sit down and work out a solution to stop murder from ever taking place in Australia.
Hmmm. Wouldn't that be the Aus Gov and the owners of establishments where murders are most likely to take place to sit down and work out a solution ...

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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052312</id>
	<title>Re:Here's an idea..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265557320000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>No repeats of "The Crocodile Hunter" as then people might just leech it... might</htmltext>
<tokenext>No repeats of " The Crocodile Hunter " as then people might just leech it... might</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No repeats of "The Crocodile Hunter" as then people might just leech it... might</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31053298</id>
	<title>Reality check, folks</title>
	<author>cdrguru</author>
	<datestamp>1265567760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Piracy will stop, eventually.  One way or another.</p><p>It might be a grand awakening in people all over the planet that taking stuff without paying is just somehow wrong.  Unfortunately, we have been training an entire generation that taking whateve is laying around unguarded is the right thing to do.  So I don't see this happening anytime soon.</p><p>It might be that worthwhile content is just not being created except in ways that make piracy impossible.  The motivation to do this would come from the simple truth that people that pirate aren't going to pay, ever.  And as Internet speeds increase and the breadth and depth of materials available steadily increase, more and more people will take advantage of the endless bounty that is available for free.  Pirating Misha Reedy's <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft-N\_klzxKU" title="youtube.com">performances</a> [youtube.com] probably isn't all that high on anyone's list - and besides, people like that want their materials to be distributed far and wide so everyone can appreciate their talent.</p><p>It is unlikely that the RIAA, MPAA and other organizations like them are going to be able to stamp out piracy no matter how many lawsuits they file.</p><p>However, the real possibility to look out for is government intervention.  It is simple economics.  Not only are there fewer sales due to piracy but even more so there are fewer taxes paid.  You might be able to convince the government that less money for a record company is important and worth devoting the government's attention to through law enforcement and other means, but it is probably far more interesting to governments in general that their tax income is being reduced.  Slightly, this is true, but the decrease is still there.  In today's economic times do you really believe a government isn't interested in spending $10 to get $1 more in tax revenue?</p><p>So what people should be concerned about is that governments mandate ISPs and others to stamp out piracy - any way they can.  With government-mandated accountability to show statistics to faceless government bureaucrats to prove that they are having an effect.  This might actually accomplish the goal of eliminating piracy - along with a good portion of the so-called freedom to pirate that seems to be present with the Internet today.</p><p>Will the government do this?  Quite possibly.  Would it be a good thing?  Hardly.  But while your friends are grabbing all the free stuff they can it is something to think about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Piracy will stop , eventually .
One way or another.It might be a grand awakening in people all over the planet that taking stuff without paying is just somehow wrong .
Unfortunately , we have been training an entire generation that taking whateve is laying around unguarded is the right thing to do .
So I do n't see this happening anytime soon.It might be that worthwhile content is just not being created except in ways that make piracy impossible .
The motivation to do this would come from the simple truth that people that pirate are n't going to pay , ever .
And as Internet speeds increase and the breadth and depth of materials available steadily increase , more and more people will take advantage of the endless bounty that is available for free .
Pirating Misha Reedy 's performances [ youtube.com ] probably is n't all that high on anyone 's list - and besides , people like that want their materials to be distributed far and wide so everyone can appreciate their talent.It is unlikely that the RIAA , MPAA and other organizations like them are going to be able to stamp out piracy no matter how many lawsuits they file.However , the real possibility to look out for is government intervention .
It is simple economics .
Not only are there fewer sales due to piracy but even more so there are fewer taxes paid .
You might be able to convince the government that less money for a record company is important and worth devoting the government 's attention to through law enforcement and other means , but it is probably far more interesting to governments in general that their tax income is being reduced .
Slightly , this is true , but the decrease is still there .
In today 's economic times do you really believe a government is n't interested in spending $ 10 to get $ 1 more in tax revenue ? So what people should be concerned about is that governments mandate ISPs and others to stamp out piracy - any way they can .
With government-mandated accountability to show statistics to faceless government bureaucrats to prove that they are having an effect .
This might actually accomplish the goal of eliminating piracy - along with a good portion of the so-called freedom to pirate that seems to be present with the Internet today.Will the government do this ?
Quite possibly .
Would it be a good thing ?
Hardly. But while your friends are grabbing all the free stuff they can it is something to think about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Piracy will stop, eventually.
One way or another.It might be a grand awakening in people all over the planet that taking stuff without paying is just somehow wrong.
Unfortunately, we have been training an entire generation that taking whateve is laying around unguarded is the right thing to do.
So I don't see this happening anytime soon.It might be that worthwhile content is just not being created except in ways that make piracy impossible.
The motivation to do this would come from the simple truth that people that pirate aren't going to pay, ever.
And as Internet speeds increase and the breadth and depth of materials available steadily increase, more and more people will take advantage of the endless bounty that is available for free.
Pirating Misha Reedy's performances [youtube.com] probably isn't all that high on anyone's list - and besides, people like that want their materials to be distributed far and wide so everyone can appreciate their talent.It is unlikely that the RIAA, MPAA and other organizations like them are going to be able to stamp out piracy no matter how many lawsuits they file.However, the real possibility to look out for is government intervention.
It is simple economics.
Not only are there fewer sales due to piracy but even more so there are fewer taxes paid.
You might be able to convince the government that less money for a record company is important and worth devoting the government's attention to through law enforcement and other means, but it is probably far more interesting to governments in general that their tax income is being reduced.
Slightly, this is true, but the decrease is still there.
In today's economic times do you really believe a government isn't interested in spending $10 to get $1 more in tax revenue?So what people should be concerned about is that governments mandate ISPs and others to stamp out piracy - any way they can.
With government-mandated accountability to show statistics to faceless government bureaucrats to prove that they are having an effect.
This might actually accomplish the goal of eliminating piracy - along with a good portion of the so-called freedom to pirate that seems to be present with the Internet today.Will the government do this?
Quite possibly.
Would it be a good thing?
Hardly.  But while your friends are grabbing all the free stuff they can it is something to think about.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31055362</id>
	<title>Re:About Want...</title>
	<author>GumphMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1265540820000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Actually, this position has had a series of silly tits (great expression BTW<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) from both side of politics over the past decade or so.  Who can forget Senator "Luddite" Alston: <a href="http://whirlpool.net.au.nyud.net/news/?id=956&amp;show=custom" title="nyud.net">Senator Luddite says broadband takeup linked to porn</a> [nyud.net] or <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/09/29/worlds\_biggest\_luddite\_to\_retire/" title="theregister.co.uk">World's biggest Luddite to retire</a> [theregister.co.uk]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , this position has had a series of silly tits ( great expression BTW : ) from both side of politics over the past decade or so .
Who can forget Senator " Luddite " Alston : Senator Luddite says broadband takeup linked to porn [ nyud.net ] or World 's biggest Luddite to retire [ theregister.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, this position has had a series of silly tits (great expression BTW :) from both side of politics over the past decade or so.
Who can forget Senator "Luddite" Alston: Senator Luddite says broadband takeup linked to porn [nyud.net] or World's biggest Luddite to retire [theregister.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31057268</id>
	<title>Re:this is simple</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265557920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Or just ban making new people and we'll have this problem fixed in about a century.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or just ban making new people and we 'll have this problem fixed in about a century .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or just ban making new people and we'll have this problem fixed in about a century.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31053238</id>
	<title>Re:Only one way</title>
	<author>FunPika</author>
	<datestamp>1265567280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sadly enough, they could probably pull something like that off if they say something along the lines "It will also check for Child Pornography".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sadly enough , they could probably pull something like that off if they say something along the lines " It will also check for Child Pornography " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sadly enough, they could probably pull something like that off if they say something along the lines "It will also check for Child Pornography".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052466</id>
	<title>Re:How and What purpose?</title>
	<author>ascari</author>
	<datestamp>1265558880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Don't rip on au courts. They do lots of important work, for example: <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100204/wl\_asia\_afp/australiamusiccourtoffbeat" title="yahoo.com" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100204/wl\_asia\_afp/australiamusiccourtoffbeat</a> [yahoo.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't rip on au courts .
They do lots of important work , for example : http : //news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100204/wl \ _asia \ _afp/australiamusiccourtoffbeat [ yahoo.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't rip on au courts.
They do lots of important work, for example: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100204/wl\_asia\_afp/australiamusiccourtoffbeat [yahoo.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31053518</id>
	<title>Re:Why have talks when you won in court?</title>
	<author>Chris Mattern</author>
	<datestamp>1265569560000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Because the legislature can rewrite the laws out from under you, which would make your court judgment so much toilet paper.  Australia doesn't have a Bill of Rights; if the legislature passes a law that says, "This is the way it is," the court doesn't have any choice but to agree.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because the legislature can rewrite the laws out from under you , which would make your court judgment so much toilet paper .
Australia does n't have a Bill of Rights ; if the legislature passes a law that says , " This is the way it is , " the court does n't have any choice but to agree .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because the legislature can rewrite the laws out from under you, which would make your court judgment so much toilet paper.
Australia doesn't have a Bill of Rights; if the legislature passes a law that says, "This is the way it is," the court doesn't have any choice but to agree.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31057080</id>
	<title>Re:Here's an idea..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265556180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Pretty sure it's spelt Neighbours.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pretty sure it 's spelt Neighbours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pretty sure it's spelt Neighbours.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052894</id>
	<title>Re:Why have talks when you won in court?</title>
	<author>tinkerghost</author>
	<datestamp>1265564520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Why should the ISPs enter into talks when they've already won in court?</p></div></blockquote><p>&lt;whine style=3 year old&gt;Because I want them too! And if they don't I'm going to stamp my feet and cry! And, and, and my pet MP is going to pass a law and MAKE them.&lt;/whine&gt;</p></div>
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<tokenext>Why should the ISPs enter into talks when they 've already won in court ? Because I want them too !
And if they do n't I 'm going to stamp my feet and cry !
And , and , and my pet MP is going to pass a law and MAKE them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why should the ISPs enter into talks when they've already won in court?Because I want them too!
And if they don't I'm going to stamp my feet and cry!
And, and, and my pet MP is going to pass a law and MAKE them.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31053562</id>
	<title>Re:Not even attempting to police its internet traf</title>
	<author>Chris Mattern</author>
	<datestamp>1265570040000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>It's not so much conceding the feasibility, as it is that the courts tend to take a black and white view of any communications carrier's responsibilities.  Either you're responsible for what goes over the communication channels or not.  If you don't fool with any of your customer's communications, that's cool.  You haven't taken responsibility for the content, and you can't be held accountable for it.  But the minute you start censoring people's messages, then you've picked up that ball and it's yours now.  You have to take responsibility for it, 100\%.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not so much conceding the feasibility , as it is that the courts tend to take a black and white view of any communications carrier 's responsibilities .
Either you 're responsible for what goes over the communication channels or not .
If you do n't fool with any of your customer 's communications , that 's cool .
You have n't taken responsibility for the content , and you ca n't be held accountable for it .
But the minute you start censoring people 's messages , then you 've picked up that ball and it 's yours now .
You have to take responsibility for it , 100 \ % .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not so much conceding the feasibility, as it is that the courts tend to take a black and white view of any communications carrier's responsibilities.
Either you're responsible for what goes over the communication channels or not.
If you don't fool with any of your customer's communications, that's cool.
You haven't taken responsibility for the content, and you can't be held accountable for it.
But the minute you start censoring people's messages, then you've picked up that ball and it's yours now.
You have to take responsibility for it, 100\%.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052912</id>
	<title>Re:Not My Problem?</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1265564820000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Which part of "Politicians can change the laws when they don't like court interpretations of existing laws" do you not understand?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which part of " Politicians can change the laws when they do n't like court interpretations of existing laws " do you not understand ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which part of "Politicians can change the laws when they don't like court interpretations of existing laws" do you not understand?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31054294</id>
	<title>Re:Reality check, folks</title>
	<author>swilver</author>
	<datestamp>1265533560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>However, the real possibility to look out for is government intervention. It is simple economics. Not only are there fewer sales due to piracy but even more so there are fewer taxes paid.</p></div></blockquote><p>And all that money is going to end up on saving accounts or simply disappear into thin air?</p><p>No, of course not.  It is going to be spend on other *luxury* goods.  It is infact highly likely that money spend in such way will actually be better for the economy than spending it on a product that is basically going to end up filling the pockets of the very rich.  Oh, it will end up there eventually anyway, but the more steps in between before it reaches those people the better for the economy.</p><p>Also, if you think piracy can be stamped out, even WITH government help, than you need a reality check yourself.  How do you prevent a digital good from being traded and replicated?  How do you prevent people swapping USB sticks?  Harddisks?  Mailing each other cd/dvd/blu-ray discs?</p><p>There's only one way, complete loss of privacy and full government oversight of everything you do.  Anything less, and piracy... or more accurately, the free market, will just find a way to do it anyway.</p><p>It's no big loss.  Even if this means the end of movies and music, there's plenty out there already to last a lifetime.  Old "entertainment" is the industries own worst enemy.  It's no wonder they don't want it the end up in the public domain.</p></div>
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<tokenext>However , the real possibility to look out for is government intervention .
It is simple economics .
Not only are there fewer sales due to piracy but even more so there are fewer taxes paid.And all that money is going to end up on saving accounts or simply disappear into thin air ? No , of course not .
It is going to be spend on other * luxury * goods .
It is infact highly likely that money spend in such way will actually be better for the economy than spending it on a product that is basically going to end up filling the pockets of the very rich .
Oh , it will end up there eventually anyway , but the more steps in between before it reaches those people the better for the economy.Also , if you think piracy can be stamped out , even WITH government help , than you need a reality check yourself .
How do you prevent a digital good from being traded and replicated ?
How do you prevent people swapping USB sticks ?
Harddisks ? Mailing each other cd/dvd/blu-ray discs ? There 's only one way , complete loss of privacy and full government oversight of everything you do .
Anything less , and piracy... or more accurately , the free market , will just find a way to do it anyway.It 's no big loss .
Even if this means the end of movies and music , there 's plenty out there already to last a lifetime .
Old " entertainment " is the industries own worst enemy .
It 's no wonder they do n't want it the end up in the public domain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However, the real possibility to look out for is government intervention.
It is simple economics.
Not only are there fewer sales due to piracy but even more so there are fewer taxes paid.And all that money is going to end up on saving accounts or simply disappear into thin air?No, of course not.
It is going to be spend on other *luxury* goods.
It is infact highly likely that money spend in such way will actually be better for the economy than spending it on a product that is basically going to end up filling the pockets of the very rich.
Oh, it will end up there eventually anyway, but the more steps in between before it reaches those people the better for the economy.Also, if you think piracy can be stamped out, even WITH government help, than you need a reality check yourself.
How do you prevent a digital good from being traded and replicated?
How do you prevent people swapping USB sticks?
Harddisks?  Mailing each other cd/dvd/blu-ray discs?There's only one way, complete loss of privacy and full government oversight of everything you do.
Anything less, and piracy... or more accurately, the free market, will just find a way to do it anyway.It's no big loss.
Even if this means the end of movies and music, there's plenty out there already to last a lifetime.
Old "entertainment" is the industries own worst enemy.
It's no wonder they don't want it the end up in the public domain.
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	<title>Conroy</title>
	<author>kocsonya</author>
	<datestamp>1265551260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Senator Conroy is a religious nutjob with an agenda.<br>He wants his net filter with a secret blacklist assembled by an organisation that is appointed by politicans and over which the public has no control whatsoever. Obtaining the blacklist would be a criminal issue.</p><p>He would go to bed with anyone who would further his vision of total control. Since that's the vision of the copyright industry as well, albeit from a profit motive rather than megalomania, they are natural allies for him.</p><p>Unfortunately, he's not the only one. In every party (with the possible exception of the Pirate Party of Australia) we have a healthy dose of these moral pillars of society, who want to dictate how and what we should see, hear and think - that's the nature of politicians.</p><p>The only time a politician is willing to let his/her power to slide is when the pitchfork is already in his/her chest. Which, in the case of a 'her' should be well bosomed, because according to our opposition leader, an other religious nutcase, small boobs encite paedophylia (well, in case of models anyway).</p><p>So, let's save the children, fight terrorism and most importantly, let's privatise legistlating, so that finally market forces would enter and bring efficiency to the so-far uncharted territory of law and order business.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Senator Conroy is a religious nutjob with an agenda.He wants his net filter with a secret blacklist assembled by an organisation that is appointed by politicans and over which the public has no control whatsoever .
Obtaining the blacklist would be a criminal issue.He would go to bed with anyone who would further his vision of total control .
Since that 's the vision of the copyright industry as well , albeit from a profit motive rather than megalomania , they are natural allies for him.Unfortunately , he 's not the only one .
In every party ( with the possible exception of the Pirate Party of Australia ) we have a healthy dose of these moral pillars of society , who want to dictate how and what we should see , hear and think - that 's the nature of politicians.The only time a politician is willing to let his/her power to slide is when the pitchfork is already in his/her chest .
Which , in the case of a 'her ' should be well bosomed , because according to our opposition leader , an other religious nutcase , small boobs encite paedophylia ( well , in case of models anyway ) .So , let 's save the children , fight terrorism and most importantly , let 's privatise legistlating , so that finally market forces would enter and bring efficiency to the so-far uncharted territory of law and order business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Senator Conroy is a religious nutjob with an agenda.He wants his net filter with a secret blacklist assembled by an organisation that is appointed by politicans and over which the public has no control whatsoever.
Obtaining the blacklist would be a criminal issue.He would go to bed with anyone who would further his vision of total control.
Since that's the vision of the copyright industry as well, albeit from a profit motive rather than megalomania, they are natural allies for him.Unfortunately, he's not the only one.
In every party (with the possible exception of the Pirate Party of Australia) we have a healthy dose of these moral pillars of society, who want to dictate how and what we should see, hear and think - that's the nature of politicians.The only time a politician is willing to let his/her power to slide is when the pitchfork is already in his/her chest.
Which, in the case of a 'her' should be well bosomed, because according to our opposition leader, an other religious nutcase, small boobs encite paedophylia (well, in case of models anyway).So, let's save the children, fight terrorism and most importantly, let's privatise legistlating, so that finally market forces would enter and bring efficiency to the so-far uncharted territory of law and order business.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31055170</id>
	<title>Re:Here's an idea..</title>
	<author>GumphMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1265539560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nobody would grab the obviously fake torrents of Neighbo<i>u</i>rs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nobody would grab the obviously fake torrents of Neighbours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nobody would grab the obviously fake torrents of Neighbours.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052870</id>
	<title>Who is he working for?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265564100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even after court battles, public out-cry over censorship and business explaining how some of his ideas are not feasable this minister still pushes. Who is he actually working for ? (or hopes to work for after his political career tanks)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even after court battles , public out-cry over censorship and business explaining how some of his ideas are not feasable this minister still pushes .
Who is he actually working for ?
( or hopes to work for after his political career tanks )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even after court battles, public out-cry over censorship and business explaining how some of his ideas are not feasable this minister still pushes.
Who is he actually working for ?
(or hopes to work for after his political career tanks)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31058368</id>
	<title>Re:Reality check, folks</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1265569200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nobody ACTUALLY obeys the law. I don't mean everyone is a criminal, I mean that people  in general do what they believe to be the right thing and hopefully the law will agree with them. Sure, they know about the speed limit (because it's posted) but just look how well THAT gets followed.. They know theft and murder are illegal but that's NOT why they don't do it, they don't do it because it's morally wrong. A great many people not only don't know that downloading a file can be illegal, they don't consider it to be morally wrong.</p><p>Making the penalties huge out of all proportion and well beyond the penalties for things they consider to be actually wrong only convinces them that it's all a scam and makes sure they will not even listen when someone tries to tell them it's actually wrong. All more laws can do is drive it underground. Keep in mind that before the internet and MP3, people would make tape copies all the time. Nobody ever considered hiding the fact, they saw nothing to be ashamed of.</p><p>People in Armani suits showing up in a limo will not convince anyone that they're going broke, especially when they hear that the music and movie industry are posting record profits year after year (except when it comes time to pay net percentages, in which case they never have and never will make a single dime of profit).</p><p>Until penalties become sure enough to overcome people's natural tendency to believe it'll never happen to them and severe enough that it can't be written off like a speeding ticket, they won't stop copying. When the penalties DO become that sure and severe, they'll be out to lynch the politicians that sold them down the river. The next batch of elected officials will fix that problem at gunpoint if necessary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nobody ACTUALLY obeys the law .
I do n't mean everyone is a criminal , I mean that people in general do what they believe to be the right thing and hopefully the law will agree with them .
Sure , they know about the speed limit ( because it 's posted ) but just look how well THAT gets followed.. They know theft and murder are illegal but that 's NOT why they do n't do it , they do n't do it because it 's morally wrong .
A great many people not only do n't know that downloading a file can be illegal , they do n't consider it to be morally wrong.Making the penalties huge out of all proportion and well beyond the penalties for things they consider to be actually wrong only convinces them that it 's all a scam and makes sure they will not even listen when someone tries to tell them it 's actually wrong .
All more laws can do is drive it underground .
Keep in mind that before the internet and MP3 , people would make tape copies all the time .
Nobody ever considered hiding the fact , they saw nothing to be ashamed of.People in Armani suits showing up in a limo will not convince anyone that they 're going broke , especially when they hear that the music and movie industry are posting record profits year after year ( except when it comes time to pay net percentages , in which case they never have and never will make a single dime of profit ) .Until penalties become sure enough to overcome people 's natural tendency to believe it 'll never happen to them and severe enough that it ca n't be written off like a speeding ticket , they wo n't stop copying .
When the penalties DO become that sure and severe , they 'll be out to lynch the politicians that sold them down the river .
The next batch of elected officials will fix that problem at gunpoint if necessary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nobody ACTUALLY obeys the law.
I don't mean everyone is a criminal, I mean that people  in general do what they believe to be the right thing and hopefully the law will agree with them.
Sure, they know about the speed limit (because it's posted) but just look how well THAT gets followed.. They know theft and murder are illegal but that's NOT why they don't do it, they don't do it because it's morally wrong.
A great many people not only don't know that downloading a file can be illegal, they don't consider it to be morally wrong.Making the penalties huge out of all proportion and well beyond the penalties for things they consider to be actually wrong only convinces them that it's all a scam and makes sure they will not even listen when someone tries to tell them it's actually wrong.
All more laws can do is drive it underground.
Keep in mind that before the internet and MP3, people would make tape copies all the time.
Nobody ever considered hiding the fact, they saw nothing to be ashamed of.People in Armani suits showing up in a limo will not convince anyone that they're going broke, especially when they hear that the music and movie industry are posting record profits year after year (except when it comes time to pay net percentages, in which case they never have and never will make a single dime of profit).Until penalties become sure enough to overcome people's natural tendency to believe it'll never happen to them and severe enough that it can't be written off like a speeding ticket, they won't stop copying.
When the penalties DO become that sure and severe, they'll be out to lynch the politicians that sold them down the river.
The next batch of elected officials will fix that problem at gunpoint if necessary.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052980</id>
	<title>Re:Total Internet Criminality</title>
	<author>Mashiki</author>
	<datestamp>1265565420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Didn't work in East Germany after the wall went up.  More people simply disappeared or were ratted out by their neighbors for being 'subversive'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did n't work in East Germany after the wall went up .
More people simply disappeared or were ratted out by their neighbors for being 'subversive' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Didn't work in East Germany after the wall went up.
More people simply disappeared or were ratted out by their neighbors for being 'subversive'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31054270</id>
	<title>Obscene Phone Calls</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265533380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Telephone companies know that some of their customers make obscene phone calls.  What do they do about it?  Nothing!</p><p>Telephone companies do not, and are not expected to, police their customers' phone calls in anyway.  People would be outraged if the law required telephone companies to listen in on everyone's phone calls, just in case they were making an obscene phone call.</p><p>Why are ISPs treated differently?  Why is it *not* OK to listen in on peoples phone calls (even though some of the phone calls might break the law), but it is OK to "listen in" on everyone`s internet connection?</p><p>In fact, with VOIP, the two go together.  If your internet connection is being "listened in" on, then your phone calls are being listened in on too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Telephone companies know that some of their customers make obscene phone calls .
What do they do about it ?
Nothing ! Telephone companies do not , and are not expected to , police their customers ' phone calls in anyway .
People would be outraged if the law required telephone companies to listen in on everyone 's phone calls , just in case they were making an obscene phone call.Why are ISPs treated differently ?
Why is it * not * OK to listen in on peoples phone calls ( even though some of the phone calls might break the law ) , but it is OK to " listen in " on everyone ` s internet connection ? In fact , with VOIP , the two go together .
If your internet connection is being " listened in " on , then your phone calls are being listened in on too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Telephone companies know that some of their customers make obscene phone calls.
What do they do about it?
Nothing!Telephone companies do not, and are not expected to, police their customers' phone calls in anyway.
People would be outraged if the law required telephone companies to listen in on everyone's phone calls, just in case they were making an obscene phone call.Why are ISPs treated differently?
Why is it *not* OK to listen in on peoples phone calls (even though some of the phone calls might break the law), but it is OK to "listen in" on everyone`s internet connection?In fact, with VOIP, the two go together.
If your internet connection is being "listened in" on, then your phone calls are being listened in on too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31058546</id>
	<title>Re:Here's an idea..</title>
	<author>JumperCable</author>
	<datestamp>1265571540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>and that his accomplishments are better suited to running an ice-cream van.</p></div><p>What?  An ice van like this one?<br><a href="http://www.policeworld.net/vb/showthread.php?t=10984" title="policeworld.net">Frosty Ice Co.</a> [policeworld.net]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>and that his accomplishments are better suited to running an ice-cream van.What ?
An ice van like this one ? Frosty Ice Co. [ policeworld.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and that his accomplishments are better suited to running an ice-cream van.What?
An ice van like this one?Frosty Ice Co. [policeworld.net]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052478</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe it's time for real reform?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265559060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You seriously want to put people in jail for copyright infringement? So, someone downloads a 0.99$USD song illegally and you make a government waste thousands of dollars for this person?</p><p>It would be less trouble and cost exponentially less for the copyright holder to ask the local government for the retail price of each illegally downloaded copyrighted material than to jail them.</p><p>In other words, get real. Copyright infringement doesn't deserve jail nor does it deserve thousands and millions of dollars in damages.</p><p>There's also the fact that some things aren't even sold in some markets. So yes there is copyright infringement but no actual loss of sales. So how can there be any monetary damages in these cases?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You seriously want to put people in jail for copyright infringement ?
So , someone downloads a 0.99 $ USD song illegally and you make a government waste thousands of dollars for this person ? It would be less trouble and cost exponentially less for the copyright holder to ask the local government for the retail price of each illegally downloaded copyrighted material than to jail them.In other words , get real .
Copyright infringement does n't deserve jail nor does it deserve thousands and millions of dollars in damages.There 's also the fact that some things are n't even sold in some markets .
So yes there is copyright infringement but no actual loss of sales .
So how can there be any monetary damages in these cases ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You seriously want to put people in jail for copyright infringement?
So, someone downloads a 0.99$USD song illegally and you make a government waste thousands of dollars for this person?It would be less trouble and cost exponentially less for the copyright holder to ask the local government for the retail price of each illegally downloaded copyrighted material than to jail them.In other words, get real.
Copyright infringement doesn't deserve jail nor does it deserve thousands and millions of dollars in damages.There's also the fact that some things aren't even sold in some markets.
So yes there is copyright infringement but no actual loss of sales.
So how can there be any monetary damages in these cases?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31053008</id>
	<title>Three strikes</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1265565600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, does he think they should lose their driver's license for buying pirated CDs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , does he think they should lose their driver 's license for buying pirated CDs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, does he think they should lose their driver's license for buying pirated CDs?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31057980</id>
	<title>Re:About Want...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265564460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yeah stephen conroy is a silly tit... nuff said..<br>our gov general in South Australia is a bit backwards too... thinks that not having an r18+ rating for games will be better for kiddies..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yeah stephen conroy is a silly tit... nuff said..our gov general in South Australia is a bit backwards too... thinks that not having an r18 + rating for games will be better for kiddies. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yeah stephen conroy is a silly tit... nuff said..our gov general in South Australia is a bit backwards too... thinks that not having an r18+ rating for games will be better for kiddies..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31055730</id>
	<title>Conroy describing himself</title>
	<author>zuperduperman</author>
	<datestamp>1265543400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Stephen Conroy:  "The problem is at the moment in Australia there is no agreement, there is no discussion, there is no dialogue"</p><p>Sounds an awful lot like Stephen Conroy talking about himself on internet censorship.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Stephen Conroy : " The problem is at the moment in Australia there is no agreement , there is no discussion , there is no dialogue " Sounds an awful lot like Stephen Conroy talking about himself on internet censorship .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Stephen Conroy:  "The problem is at the moment in Australia there is no agreement, there is no discussion, there is no dialogue"Sounds an awful lot like Stephen Conroy talking about himself on internet censorship.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31055136</id>
	<title>Re:Here's an idea..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265539440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you have <i>any</i> idea how Senate voting works? I'm guessing, from your post, that the answer is no - so here's a brief rundown.</p><p>Given a population of N people in the voting region for a set of Senate seats (there's never just one Senate seat up for grabs; it's always going to be two, six, or twelve seats), and X seats up for grabs, a "quota" is defined as N/(X+1)+1 votes, rounded down - so, for example, if N is 25,823 and X is 6, the quota is (25,823/7) or 3670 votes. Or, if N is 34,562 and N is 2, the quota is (34562/3) or 11,521 votes.</p><p>In order to win a Senate seat, the party has to gain a quota of votes. If the party gains two quotas, they get two Senate seats, and so on. In Conroy's case, he is <b>the first candidate on Labor's Victorian Senate ticket</b> - so if Labor gets a quota in Victoria, he's in. Doesn't matter how many quotas Labor gets, if they get just one, he's in. (I'm blithely ignoring the intricacies in how leftover votes are distributed in the preferences, as that detail is not really relevant to this discussion.)</p><p>Now tell me - what do <i>you</i> think are the odds that Labor doesn't get a Senate quota in this year's Federal election?</p><p>In short: we're not going to be able to get Conroy voted out. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you have any idea how Senate voting works ?
I 'm guessing , from your post , that the answer is no - so here 's a brief rundown.Given a population of N people in the voting region for a set of Senate seats ( there 's never just one Senate seat up for grabs ; it 's always going to be two , six , or twelve seats ) , and X seats up for grabs , a " quota " is defined as N/ ( X + 1 ) + 1 votes , rounded down - so , for example , if N is 25,823 and X is 6 , the quota is ( 25,823/7 ) or 3670 votes .
Or , if N is 34,562 and N is 2 , the quota is ( 34562/3 ) or 11,521 votes.In order to win a Senate seat , the party has to gain a quota of votes .
If the party gains two quotas , they get two Senate seats , and so on .
In Conroy 's case , he is the first candidate on Labor 's Victorian Senate ticket - so if Labor gets a quota in Victoria , he 's in .
Does n't matter how many quotas Labor gets , if they get just one , he 's in .
( I 'm blithely ignoring the intricacies in how leftover votes are distributed in the preferences , as that detail is not really relevant to this discussion .
) Now tell me - what do you think are the odds that Labor does n't get a Senate quota in this year 's Federal election ? In short : we 're not going to be able to get Conroy voted out .
Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you have any idea how Senate voting works?
I'm guessing, from your post, that the answer is no - so here's a brief rundown.Given a population of N people in the voting region for a set of Senate seats (there's never just one Senate seat up for grabs; it's always going to be two, six, or twelve seats), and X seats up for grabs, a "quota" is defined as N/(X+1)+1 votes, rounded down - so, for example, if N is 25,823 and X is 6, the quota is (25,823/7) or 3670 votes.
Or, if N is 34,562 and N is 2, the quota is (34562/3) or 11,521 votes.In order to win a Senate seat, the party has to gain a quota of votes.
If the party gains two quotas, they get two Senate seats, and so on.
In Conroy's case, he is the first candidate on Labor's Victorian Senate ticket - so if Labor gets a quota in Victoria, he's in.
Doesn't matter how many quotas Labor gets, if they get just one, he's in.
(I'm blithely ignoring the intricacies in how leftover votes are distributed in the preferences, as that detail is not really relevant to this discussion.
)Now tell me - what do you think are the odds that Labor doesn't get a Senate quota in this year's Federal election?In short: we're not going to be able to get Conroy voted out.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31061676</id>
	<title>Re:Jusicial oversight</title>
	<author>GooberToo</author>
	<datestamp>1265651040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We already have a "piracy code of conduct" it's called The Law. ISPs should not be conducting vigilante operations at the whim of private enterprises. If copyright holders wish to stop a user from file-sharing they must take that user to court and deal with them under the judicial oversight of the courts.</p></div><p>Brilliant idea! You just put every would-be independent musician out of business. With them you took every startup, small, and medium business which produces anything currently protected by IP laws.</p><p>Without some low cost protective measures, no matter how much you want to dispute it, that's the reality you're ensuring. If you believe your use is non-infringing, you should be required to prove it, and not the other way around. An IP rights holder should not be expected to take thousands, tens of thousands, or even millions of people to court to protect their property. Period. The onus should be on the consumer, not the owner.</p><p>Like it or not, the current "draconian" system exists exactly because so many are abusing. If people would stop stealing and abusing, the other side would once again relax. Unfortunately, because the majority believe they have the right to steal, everyone suffers. If you want to fix the system, kick every pirate you know in the nuts a couple of times per day and things will correct it self. As is, every DCMA related complaint you have is a direct result of pirates stealing shit left and right. Fix the problem, pirates, and everything else will follow.</p><p>So do you have any real solutions to the cause, or just want to complain about the effect? Seriously, other than draconian clubbing or offenders, what other solutions exist?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We already have a " piracy code of conduct " it 's called The Law .
ISPs should not be conducting vigilante operations at the whim of private enterprises .
If copyright holders wish to stop a user from file-sharing they must take that user to court and deal with them under the judicial oversight of the courts.Brilliant idea !
You just put every would-be independent musician out of business .
With them you took every startup , small , and medium business which produces anything currently protected by IP laws.Without some low cost protective measures , no matter how much you want to dispute it , that 's the reality you 're ensuring .
If you believe your use is non-infringing , you should be required to prove it , and not the other way around .
An IP rights holder should not be expected to take thousands , tens of thousands , or even millions of people to court to protect their property .
Period. The onus should be on the consumer , not the owner.Like it or not , the current " draconian " system exists exactly because so many are abusing .
If people would stop stealing and abusing , the other side would once again relax .
Unfortunately , because the majority believe they have the right to steal , everyone suffers .
If you want to fix the system , kick every pirate you know in the nuts a couple of times per day and things will correct it self .
As is , every DCMA related complaint you have is a direct result of pirates stealing shit left and right .
Fix the problem , pirates , and everything else will follow.So do you have any real solutions to the cause , or just want to complain about the effect ?
Seriously , other than draconian clubbing or offenders , what other solutions exist ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We already have a "piracy code of conduct" it's called The Law.
ISPs should not be conducting vigilante operations at the whim of private enterprises.
If copyright holders wish to stop a user from file-sharing they must take that user to court and deal with them under the judicial oversight of the courts.Brilliant idea!
You just put every would-be independent musician out of business.
With them you took every startup, small, and medium business which produces anything currently protected by IP laws.Without some low cost protective measures, no matter how much you want to dispute it, that's the reality you're ensuring.
If you believe your use is non-infringing, you should be required to prove it, and not the other way around.
An IP rights holder should not be expected to take thousands, tens of thousands, or even millions of people to court to protect their property.
Period. The onus should be on the consumer, not the owner.Like it or not, the current "draconian" system exists exactly because so many are abusing.
If people would stop stealing and abusing, the other side would once again relax.
Unfortunately, because the majority believe they have the right to steal, everyone suffers.
If you want to fix the system, kick every pirate you know in the nuts a couple of times per day and things will correct it self.
As is, every DCMA related complaint you have is a direct result of pirates stealing shit left and right.
Fix the problem, pirates, and everything else will follow.So do you have any real solutions to the cause, or just want to complain about the effect?
Seriously, other than draconian clubbing or offenders, what other solutions exist?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052580</id>
	<title>Dont forget hammers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265560320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>we need Canadian tires and all stores like it responsible for all those hammers smacking people up the head.<br>OH wait maybe we need a few hammer sales around parliaments EVERYWHERE.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>we need Canadian tires and all stores like it responsible for all those hammers smacking people up the head.OH wait maybe we need a few hammer sales around parliaments EVERYWHERE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>we need Canadian tires and all stores like it responsible for all those hammers smacking people up the head.OH wait maybe we need a few hammer sales around parliaments EVERYWHERE.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31054444</id>
	<title>Re:this is simple</title>
	<author>houghi</author>
	<datestamp>1265534760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And there is another problem. To be illegal the should be a guilty party. To be guilty, one would expect some sort of court. Courts should be run by governement. They can determine what is illegal and what not. Not some private company.</p><p>They should NOT be the ones deciding what is legal and what not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And there is another problem .
To be illegal the should be a guilty party .
To be guilty , one would expect some sort of court .
Courts should be run by governement .
They can determine what is illegal and what not .
Not some private company.They should NOT be the ones deciding what is legal and what not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And there is another problem.
To be illegal the should be a guilty party.
To be guilty, one would expect some sort of court.
Courts should be run by governement.
They can determine what is illegal and what not.
Not some private company.They should NOT be the ones deciding what is legal and what not.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31053472</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31055884</id>
	<title>Re:this is simple</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265544480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree.</p><p>I have no idea what fraction of the population does it, but I wouldn't be surprised if more than half would, given the opportunity.</p><p>How can something that most people do be illegal? (in a democracy)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree.I have no idea what fraction of the population does it , but I would n't be surprised if more than half would , given the opportunity.How can something that most people do be illegal ?
( in a democracy )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.I have no idea what fraction of the population does it, but I wouldn't be surprised if more than half would, given the opportunity.How can something that most people do be illegal?
(in a democracy)</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31053472</id>
	<title>this is simple</title>
	<author>Bobtree</author>
	<datestamp>1265569140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Technical approaches do not solve social problems.</p><p>There is a trivial way to resolve illegal downloading.</p><p>Legalize it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Technical approaches do not solve social problems.There is a trivial way to resolve illegal downloading.Legalize it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Technical approaches do not solve social problems.There is a trivial way to resolve illegal downloading.Legalize it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31058078</id>
	<title>Re:Gah - somebody stop this ridiculous man</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265565540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't forget the <a href="http://www.sexparty.org.au/" title="sexparty.org.au" rel="nofollow">Sex Party</a> [sexparty.org.au]!</p><p>They don't mention piracy, but they're definitely not for censorship!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't forget the Sex Party [ sexparty.org.au ] ! They do n't mention piracy , but they 're definitely not for censorship !
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't forget the Sex Party [sexparty.org.au]!They don't mention piracy, but they're definitely not for censorship!
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31054248</id>
	<title>A way to loose more money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265576340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm certain that when ISPs begin enforcing network traffic they will gain many customers and many more movies and music will be purchased<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and pigs will fly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm certain that when ISPs begin enforcing network traffic they will gain many customers and many more movies and music will be purchased ... and pigs will fly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm certain that when ISPs begin enforcing network traffic they will gain many customers and many more movies and music will be purchased ... and pigs will fly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31060472</id>
	<title>Re:Don't you see?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265644380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> they can rightly argue that piracy is hurting them.</p></div><p>Yeah cause the only thing that's ever caused a drop in the box office is piracy. Not a recession that pushed people to stay in their homes and consume less costly entertainment (even more so with ticket price hikes)? Not a year short of more than 2 half-decent films? Not the possibility that people are just going off this product? Nope it all comes down to piracy.</p><p>The only thing that could make this argument more ridiculous is if they blamed all this on Carbon (not CO2 - no - its just Carbon<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)) as well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>they can rightly argue that piracy is hurting them.Yeah cause the only thing that 's ever caused a drop in the box office is piracy .
Not a recession that pushed people to stay in their homes and consume less costly entertainment ( even more so with ticket price hikes ) ?
Not a year short of more than 2 half-decent films ?
Not the possibility that people are just going off this product ?
Nope it all comes down to piracy.The only thing that could make this argument more ridiculous is if they blamed all this on Carbon ( not CO2 - no - its just Carbon : ) ) as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> they can rightly argue that piracy is hurting them.Yeah cause the only thing that's ever caused a drop in the box office is piracy.
Not a recession that pushed people to stay in their homes and consume less costly entertainment (even more so with ticket price hikes)?
Not a year short of more than 2 half-decent films?
Not the possibility that people are just going off this product?
Nope it all comes down to piracy.The only thing that could make this argument more ridiculous is if they blamed all this on Carbon (not CO2 - no - its just Carbon :)) as well.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31055414</id>
	<title>hey MPAA...</title>
	<author>jonwil</author>
	<datestamp>1265541180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are perfectly functional court systems in various countries. Use them and use copyright law the way its written.</p><p>If you want to stop illegal file sharers, go sue them in court. If you cant find out who they are, file a John Doe lawsuit (essentially you are suing the IP address), present evidence proving that X IP address at Y time was sharing the content in question and then subpoena the ISP to get the details of which customer that corresponds to.</p><p>Stop trying to make the ISPs into copyright cops just so you can save some money on enforcement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are perfectly functional court systems in various countries .
Use them and use copyright law the way its written.If you want to stop illegal file sharers , go sue them in court .
If you cant find out who they are , file a John Doe lawsuit ( essentially you are suing the IP address ) , present evidence proving that X IP address at Y time was sharing the content in question and then subpoena the ISP to get the details of which customer that corresponds to.Stop trying to make the ISPs into copyright cops just so you can save some money on enforcement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are perfectly functional court systems in various countries.
Use them and use copyright law the way its written.If you want to stop illegal file sharers, go sue them in court.
If you cant find out who they are, file a John Doe lawsuit (essentially you are suing the IP address), present evidence proving that X IP address at Y time was sharing the content in question and then subpoena the ISP to get the details of which customer that corresponds to.Stop trying to make the ISPs into copyright cops just so you can save some money on enforcement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31055660</id>
	<title>I still want a pony</title>
	<author>Arancaytar</author>
	<datestamp>1265542800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get cracking, internet service providers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get cracking , internet service providers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get cracking, internet service providers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052300</id>
	<title>Maybe it's time for real reform?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265557260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think it's high time we took copyright thieves to task and put them in jail for their fraud. They're actively undermining the works of artists and that's going to cause a long term effect on culture. We need for these sniveling twits to stop their illegal activities.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's high time we took copyright thieves to task and put them in jail for their fraud .
They 're actively undermining the works of artists and that 's going to cause a long term effect on culture .
We need for these sniveling twits to stop their illegal activities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's high time we took copyright thieves to task and put them in jail for their fraud.
They're actively undermining the works of artists and that's going to cause a long term effect on culture.
We need for these sniveling twits to stop their illegal activities.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31055796</id>
	<title>Re:Here's an idea..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265543820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is that the American version of Neighbours?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that the American version of Neighbours ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that the American version of Neighbours?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31057378</id>
	<title>pointy stick legislation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265558820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>peoples eyes have been damaged because of pointy sticks now there is a pointy stick legislation in the wind and o yea on a serious note the prime minister wants to ban any porn images of small breasts his opinion is there probably under-age and that folks is serious</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>peoples eyes have been damaged because of pointy sticks now there is a pointy stick legislation in the wind and o yea on a serious note the prime minister wants to ban any porn images of small breasts his opinion is there probably under-age and that folks is serious</tokentext>
<sentencetext>peoples eyes have been damaged because of pointy sticks now there is a pointy stick legislation in the wind and o yea on a serious note the prime minister wants to ban any porn images of small breasts his opinion is there probably under-age and that folks is serious</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052674</id>
	<title>Not even attempting to police its internet traffic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265561460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>...seems to be what saved this ISP in court.<br>
For reasons other than network integrity, any surveillance or manipulation of users' data, such as port-blocking, DNS (or simply ToS) censorship, [cough]Phorm[/cough] or Deep Packet Inspection in general lead down a road to perdition, as courts will show little mercy with defendants who through their own actions have themselves conceded (even though inaccurately, as there are still e.g. VPNs) the feasibility of the plaintiffs' outlandish demands.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...seems to be what saved this ISP in court .
For reasons other than network integrity , any surveillance or manipulation of users ' data , such as port-blocking , DNS ( or simply ToS ) censorship , [ cough ] Phorm [ /cough ] or Deep Packet Inspection in general lead down a road to perdition , as courts will show little mercy with defendants who through their own actions have themselves conceded ( even though inaccurately , as there are still e.g .
VPNs ) the feasibility of the plaintiffs ' outlandish demands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...seems to be what saved this ISP in court.
For reasons other than network integrity, any surveillance or manipulation of users' data, such as port-blocking, DNS (or simply ToS) censorship, [cough]Phorm[/cough] or Deep Packet Inspection in general lead down a road to perdition, as courts will show little mercy with defendants who through their own actions have themselves conceded (even though inaccurately, as there are still e.g.
VPNs) the feasibility of the plaintiffs' outlandish demands.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31053426</id>
	<title>Re:Not My Problem?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265568840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps the music/movie industry should setup their own ISP.<br>
<br>
O wait, nobody in their right mind would join an ISP owned by the music/movie industry - they wouldn't set one up without port throttling, IP blocking (torrent sites etc.) and intrusive deep packet inspection. You would have guaranteed absolute zero privacy without using encryption for communication, which they would probably disallow.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps the music/movie industry should setup their own ISP .
O wait , nobody in their right mind would join an ISP owned by the music/movie industry - they would n't set one up without port throttling , IP blocking ( torrent sites etc .
) and intrusive deep packet inspection .
You would have guaranteed absolute zero privacy without using encryption for communication , which they would probably disallow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps the music/movie industry should setup their own ISP.
O wait, nobody in their right mind would join an ISP owned by the music/movie industry - they wouldn't set one up without port throttling, IP blocking (torrent sites etc.
) and intrusive deep packet inspection.
You would have guaranteed absolute zero privacy without using encryption for communication, which they would probably disallow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31056344</id>
	<title>Re:Reality check, folks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265548920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Technology. Review the past 20-30 years. Project the next 5-10.  Sorry, the ONLY way it can be completely stopped is to shut down the internet. Passing unrealistic laws will NOT change science or technology or human nature.  Politics and "wishes" cannot change the "laws of nature".</p><p>So yes, reality check. The real world of possible and impossible "reality".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Technology .
Review the past 20-30 years .
Project the next 5-10 .
Sorry , the ONLY way it can be completely stopped is to shut down the internet .
Passing unrealistic laws will NOT change science or technology or human nature .
Politics and " wishes " can not change the " laws of nature " .So yes , reality check .
The real world of possible and impossible " reality " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Technology.
Review the past 20-30 years.
Project the next 5-10.
Sorry, the ONLY way it can be completely stopped is to shut down the internet.
Passing unrealistic laws will NOT change science or technology or human nature.
Politics and "wishes" cannot change the "laws of nature".So yes, reality check.
The real world of possible and impossible "reality".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31081122</id>
	<title>Re:And I hereby request</title>
	<author>countach</author>
	<datestamp>1265726880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think the music companies are asking the ISPs to listen to every internet connection, rather the music companies have investigators listening to them, and want the ISPs to shut down whomever they want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think the music companies are asking the ISPs to listen to every internet connection , rather the music companies have investigators listening to them , and want the ISPs to shut down whomever they want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think the music companies are asking the ISPs to listen to every internet connection, rather the music companies have investigators listening to them, and want the ISPs to shut down whomever they want.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31056526</id>
	<title>Jusicial oversight</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265550780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We already have a "piracy code of conduct" it's called The Law. ISPs should not be conducting vigilante operations at the whim of private enterprises. If copyright holders wish to stop a user from file-sharing they must take that user to court and deal with them under the judicial oversight of the courts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We already have a " piracy code of conduct " it 's called The Law .
ISPs should not be conducting vigilante operations at the whim of private enterprises .
If copyright holders wish to stop a user from file-sharing they must take that user to court and deal with them under the judicial oversight of the courts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We already have a "piracy code of conduct" it's called The Law.
ISPs should not be conducting vigilante operations at the whim of private enterprises.
If copyright holders wish to stop a user from file-sharing they must take that user to court and deal with them under the judicial oversight of the courts.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052294</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31053744</id>
	<title>Re:Governments fail again...</title>
	<author>mpe</author>
	<datestamp>1265571780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Again the people in charge of the country show their complete ignorance of the Internet.</i> <br> <br>You could probably "most things" for "the Internet" and the statement would still be true. That's a somewhat fundermental problem with career politicians, these people tend to be out of touch with the "real world".<br> <br> <i>Short of pulling out the cable there is no possible technical solution to stop people copying files across the Internet because that's what it's for.</i> <br> <br>It isn't even necessary to have a "cable" either<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<br> <br> <i>Here's a better idea: Force the movie/music industries to provide an attractive/convenient alternative at a realistic price. eg. You pay $2 to watch a movie on demand.</i> <br> <br>Another idea would be to tell the industries that if the song/TV/movie/etc isn't available in Australia then any "piracy" is their own stupid fault for not sorting out things with the Australian radio/TV stations and cinemas.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Again the people in charge of the country show their complete ignorance of the Internet .
You could probably " most things " for " the Internet " and the statement would still be true .
That 's a somewhat fundermental problem with career politicians , these people tend to be out of touch with the " real world " .
Short of pulling out the cable there is no possible technical solution to stop people copying files across the Internet because that 's what it 's for .
It is n't even necessary to have a " cable " either : ) Here 's a better idea : Force the movie/music industries to provide an attractive/convenient alternative at a realistic price .
eg. You pay $ 2 to watch a movie on demand .
Another idea would be to tell the industries that if the song/TV/movie/etc is n't available in Australia then any " piracy " is their own stupid fault for not sorting out things with the Australian radio/TV stations and cinemas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Again the people in charge of the country show their complete ignorance of the Internet.
You could probably "most things" for "the Internet" and the statement would still be true.
That's a somewhat fundermental problem with career politicians, these people tend to be out of touch with the "real world".
Short of pulling out the cable there is no possible technical solution to stop people copying files across the Internet because that's what it's for.
It isn't even necessary to have a "cable" either :)  Here's a better idea: Force the movie/music industries to provide an attractive/convenient alternative at a realistic price.
eg. You pay $2 to watch a movie on demand.
Another idea would be to tell the industries that if the song/TV/movie/etc isn't available in Australia then any "piracy" is their own stupid fault for not sorting out things with the Australian radio/TV stations and cinemas.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052808</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31056820</id>
	<title>Re:this is simple</title>
	<author>physicsdot</author>
	<datestamp>1265553300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There is a trivial way to resolve illegal downloading.</p><p>Legalize it.</p></div><p>This view is immoral and greedy. I know this view point is not popular here - often with good reason when you consider the behavior of copyright holders. BUT, when the pirates downloading copyrighted content earn more money than the creators (as occurs with many eBooks for example), then the people enjoying that content have a moral obligation to ensure that the creators of the content are paid at least something for it.

I can't see the moral problems with people downloading free copies of Harry Potter books - Rowling is fabulously rich. But what about when you download someone's book, enjoy it, and you earn more money than them... to say you want this right by law is outright greed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a trivial way to resolve illegal downloading.Legalize it.This view is immoral and greedy .
I know this view point is not popular here - often with good reason when you consider the behavior of copyright holders .
BUT , when the pirates downloading copyrighted content earn more money than the creators ( as occurs with many eBooks for example ) , then the people enjoying that content have a moral obligation to ensure that the creators of the content are paid at least something for it .
I ca n't see the moral problems with people downloading free copies of Harry Potter books - Rowling is fabulously rich .
But what about when you download someone 's book , enjoy it , and you earn more money than them... to say you want this right by law is outright greed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a trivial way to resolve illegal downloading.Legalize it.This view is immoral and greedy.
I know this view point is not popular here - often with good reason when you consider the behavior of copyright holders.
BUT, when the pirates downloading copyrighted content earn more money than the creators (as occurs with many eBooks for example), then the people enjoying that content have a moral obligation to ensure that the creators of the content are paid at least something for it.
I can't see the moral problems with people downloading free copies of Harry Potter books - Rowling is fabulously rich.
But what about when you download someone's book, enjoy it, and you earn more money than them... to say you want this right by law is outright greed.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31054116</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe it's time for real reform?</title>
	<author>mpe</author>
	<datestamp>1265575260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>It would be less trouble and cost exponentially less for the copyright holder to ask the local government for the retail price of each illegally downloaded copyrighted material than to jail them.
<br>
In other words, get real. Copyright infringement doesn't deserve jail nor does it deserve thousands and millions of dollars in damages.</i> <br> <br>Why should government do anything at all. Even if this really was a "lost sale" any actual losses would be lower than the retail price. People (including "corporate people") who are subject to thefts or frauds of much greater amounts can claim only from private insurers. Quite often government, in the personage of law enforcement, are uninterested in doing much actual investigation unless the amount of money involved is at least tens of thousands to millions of times greater than that involved here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be less trouble and cost exponentially less for the copyright holder to ask the local government for the retail price of each illegally downloaded copyrighted material than to jail them .
In other words , get real .
Copyright infringement does n't deserve jail nor does it deserve thousands and millions of dollars in damages .
Why should government do anything at all .
Even if this really was a " lost sale " any actual losses would be lower than the retail price .
People ( including " corporate people " ) who are subject to thefts or frauds of much greater amounts can claim only from private insurers .
Quite often government , in the personage of law enforcement , are uninterested in doing much actual investigation unless the amount of money involved is at least tens of thousands to millions of times greater than that involved here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be less trouble and cost exponentially less for the copyright holder to ask the local government for the retail price of each illegally downloaded copyrighted material than to jail them.
In other words, get real.
Copyright infringement doesn't deserve jail nor does it deserve thousands and millions of dollars in damages.
Why should government do anything at all.
Even if this really was a "lost sale" any actual losses would be lower than the retail price.
People (including "corporate people") who are subject to thefts or frauds of much greater amounts can claim only from private insurers.
Quite often government, in the personage of law enforcement, are uninterested in doing much actual investigation unless the amount of money involved is at least tens of thousands to millions of times greater than that involved here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31053140</id>
	<title>Safe harbor made the Internet possible</title>
	<author>salesgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1265566680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's what the movie, record industry and politicians don't get:</p><p>Safe harbor and peer to peer networking made the Internet possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's what the movie , record industry and politicians do n't get : Safe harbor and peer to peer networking made the Internet possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's what the movie, record industry and politicians don't get:Safe harbor and peer to peer networking made the Internet possible.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052332</id>
	<title>About Want...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265557500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's make grocers responsible for planet-wide obesity.<br>Lets make foundrys responsible for gun related crime.<br>Sounds like Australia has a silly tit in office.<br>Like the old saying goes, and I believe it applies here in spite of its coarseness, "sh*t in one hand, and want in the other, then see which hand fills up first."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's make grocers responsible for planet-wide obesity.Lets make foundrys responsible for gun related crime.Sounds like Australia has a silly tit in office.Like the old saying goes , and I believe it applies here in spite of its coarseness , " sh * t in one hand , and want in the other , then see which hand fills up first .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's make grocers responsible for planet-wide obesity.Lets make foundrys responsible for gun related crime.Sounds like Australia has a silly tit in office.Like the old saying goes, and I believe it applies here in spite of its coarseness, "sh*t in one hand, and want in the other, then see which hand fills up first.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31056004</id>
	<title>Re:Reality check, folks</title>
	<author>StupiderThanYou</author>
	<datestamp>1265545380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Piracy will stop, eventually.  One way or another.</p></div><p>What, and we'll go back to the good old days when nobody ever took anything that wasn't theirs?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Piracy will stop , eventually .
One way or another.What , and we 'll go back to the good old days when nobody ever took anything that was n't theirs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Piracy will stop, eventually.
One way or another.What, and we'll go back to the good old days when nobody ever took anything that wasn't theirs?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31053298</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31057250</id>
	<title>Re:About Want...</title>
	<author>rdnetto</author>
	<datestamp>1265557680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Sounds like Australia has a silly tit in office.</p></div><p>That would be Stephen Conroy - the Internet Villain of the Year. We were hoping that the National Broadband Network would keep busy, but apparently not...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like Australia has a silly tit in office.That would be Stephen Conroy - the Internet Villain of the Year .
We were hoping that the National Broadband Network would keep busy , but apparently not.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like Australia has a silly tit in office.That would be Stephen Conroy - the Internet Villain of the Year.
We were hoping that the National Broadband Network would keep busy, but apparently not...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052332</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31053234</id>
	<title>Re:Here's an idea..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265567280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>And here's another idea:<br> <br>
There's a federal election coming up some time this year, and unless I'm mistaken, Conroy's seat will be up for grabs. (Federal Senate terms are for 6 years except in the case of a double dissolution.)  How about the Communications Minister gets kicked out of his office? It is obvious enough to everybody that he is utterly incompetent, and that his accomplishments are better suited to running an ice-cream van.<br> <br>Disclaimer: I support his party at elections, in the absence of a more sane alternative.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And here 's another idea : There 's a federal election coming up some time this year , and unless I 'm mistaken , Conroy 's seat will be up for grabs .
( Federal Senate terms are for 6 years except in the case of a double dissolution .
) How about the Communications Minister gets kicked out of his office ?
It is obvious enough to everybody that he is utterly incompetent , and that his accomplishments are better suited to running an ice-cream van .
Disclaimer : I support his party at elections , in the absence of a more sane alternative .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And here's another idea: 
There's a federal election coming up some time this year, and unless I'm mistaken, Conroy's seat will be up for grabs.
(Federal Senate terms are for 6 years except in the case of a double dissolution.
)  How about the Communications Minister gets kicked out of his office?
It is obvious enough to everybody that he is utterly incompetent, and that his accomplishments are better suited to running an ice-cream van.
Disclaimer: I support his party at elections, in the absence of a more sane alternative.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052294</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31056030</id>
	<title>Re:Reality check, folks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265545500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Unfortunately, we have been training an entire generation that taking whateve is laying around unguarded is the right thing to do".</p></div><p>Fuck your righteous morality and fuck you piracy free utopia. The grand awakening I see is when people realise the absurdity that is owning abstract concepts (i.e. copyright). It make no economic sense, which is why it requires a bunch of freedom nullifying laws to maintain an industry which is completely artificial to begin with. Piracy is just the free market response to the price fixing of content. Simple economics.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>In today's economic times do you really believe a government isn't interested in spending $10 to get $1 more in tax revenue?</p></div><p>At first I thought you were a troll, then I realised that you are retarded.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>So what people should be concerned about is that governments mandate ISPs and others to stamp out piracy - any way they can.</p></div><p>What people SHOULD be concerned about? WTF. When you're done telling Australians what they SHOULD be concerned about, maybe you'll realise that what they ARE concerned about is the erosion of freedom on the internet and the implementation of fascist laws that violate human rights. And centainly don't give a fuck about some multinational corporations loosing their monopoly on information.</p><p>Maybe you're a shill, maybe just retarded, or maybe I just got trolled; either way, I despair.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , we have been training an entire generation that taking whateve is laying around unguarded is the right thing to do " .Fuck your righteous morality and fuck you piracy free utopia .
The grand awakening I see is when people realise the absurdity that is owning abstract concepts ( i.e .
copyright ) . It make no economic sense , which is why it requires a bunch of freedom nullifying laws to maintain an industry which is completely artificial to begin with .
Piracy is just the free market response to the price fixing of content .
Simple economics .
.In today 's economic times do you really believe a government is n't interested in spending $ 10 to get $ 1 more in tax revenue ? At first I thought you were a troll , then I realised that you are retarded.So what people should be concerned about is that governments mandate ISPs and others to stamp out piracy - any way they can.What people SHOULD be concerned about ?
WTF. When you 're done telling Australians what they SHOULD be concerned about , maybe you 'll realise that what they ARE concerned about is the erosion of freedom on the internet and the implementation of fascist laws that violate human rights .
And centainly do n't give a fuck about some multinational corporations loosing their monopoly on information.Maybe you 're a shill , maybe just retarded , or maybe I just got trolled ; either way , I despair .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, we have been training an entire generation that taking whateve is laying around unguarded is the right thing to do".Fuck your righteous morality and fuck you piracy free utopia.
The grand awakening I see is when people realise the absurdity that is owning abstract concepts (i.e.
copyright). It make no economic sense, which is why it requires a bunch of freedom nullifying laws to maintain an industry which is completely artificial to begin with.
Piracy is just the free market response to the price fixing of content.
Simple economics.
.In today's economic times do you really believe a government isn't interested in spending $10 to get $1 more in tax revenue?At first I thought you were a troll, then I realised that you are retarded.So what people should be concerned about is that governments mandate ISPs and others to stamp out piracy - any way they can.What people SHOULD be concerned about?
WTF. When you're done telling Australians what they SHOULD be concerned about, maybe you'll realise that what they ARE concerned about is the erosion of freedom on the internet and the implementation of fascist laws that violate human rights.
And centainly don't give a fuck about some multinational corporations loosing their monopoly on information.Maybe you're a shill, maybe just retarded, or maybe I just got trolled; either way, I despair.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31053248</id>
	<title>And I want a pony.</title>
	<author>SanityInAnarchy</author>
	<datestamp>1265567460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Either you can have illegal downloads and the Internet, or you can have neither. Your choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Either you can have illegal downloads and the Internet , or you can have neither .
Your choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Either you can have illegal downloads and the Internet, or you can have neither.
Your choice.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31060198</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe it's time for real reform?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265642040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Successful troll is successful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Successful troll is successful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Successful troll is successful.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052300</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052462</id>
	<title>Total Internet Criminality</title>
	<author>loftwyr</author>
	<datestamp>1265558820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not make the Internet itself illegal!   Then they can slowly decriminalize individual ports and protocols with special identifications until they have complete control over everything.</p><p>Once that's done, nothing illegal will happen and all their citizens will be happy drones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not make the Internet itself illegal !
Then they can slowly decriminalize individual ports and protocols with special identifications until they have complete control over everything.Once that 's done , nothing illegal will happen and all their citizens will be happy drones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not make the Internet itself illegal!
Then they can slowly decriminalize individual ports and protocols with special identifications until they have complete control over everything.Once that's done, nothing illegal will happen and all their citizens will be happy drones.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052344</id>
	<title>Not My Problem?</title>
	<author>smd75</author>
	<datestamp>1265557680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What part of a court ordered "Not My Problem" does the AU politicians not understand about policing illegal downloads?</p><p>I dunno, I think the ISPs could use this as leverage against the studios to really pay up. Almost to extortion, but legal.</p><p>Want us to police your content, we dont, but if you offer good enough incentive, we might make an effort to work with you, but we dont really have to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What part of a court ordered " Not My Problem " does the AU politicians not understand about policing illegal downloads ? I dunno , I think the ISPs could use this as leverage against the studios to really pay up .
Almost to extortion , but legal.Want us to police your content , we dont , but if you offer good enough incentive , we might make an effort to work with you , but we dont really have to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What part of a court ordered "Not My Problem" does the AU politicians not understand about policing illegal downloads?I dunno, I think the ISPs could use this as leverage against the studios to really pay up.
Almost to extortion, but legal.Want us to police your content, we dont, but if you offer good enough incentive, we might make an effort to work with you, but we dont really have to.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31055794</id>
	<title>Re:Gah - somebody stop this ridiculous man</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265543820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There will be an election before too long.  DON'T VOTE LABOR.</p><p>Vote Liberal/National, Democrat, Independent, hell, even Green (though they're still crazy as a bedbug).  Just don't vote Labor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There will be an election before too long .
DO N'T VOTE LABOR.Vote Liberal/National , Democrat , Independent , hell , even Green ( though they 're still crazy as a bedbug ) .
Just do n't vote Labor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There will be an election before too long.
DON'T VOTE LABOR.Vote Liberal/National, Democrat, Independent, hell, even Green (though they're still crazy as a bedbug).
Just don't vote Labor.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052534</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052402</id>
	<title>How and What purpose?</title>
	<author>no added value</author>
	<datestamp>1265558280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Doesn't Au have more pressing matters to address in its country? I think so. This is just another ploy to generate more lawyer jobs that bollocks up yet another world icon-www.  GET a REAL LIFE au- Don't be so pitiful.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't Au have more pressing matters to address in its country ?
I think so .
This is just another ploy to generate more lawyer jobs that bollocks up yet another world icon-www .
GET a REAL LIFE au- Do n't be so pitiful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't Au have more pressing matters to address in its country?
I think so.
This is just another ploy to generate more lawyer jobs that bollocks up yet another world icon-www.
GET a REAL LIFE au- Don't be so pitiful.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31055626</id>
	<title>Re:Amish Internet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265542500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the price of a movie via download should be really attractive.</p></div><p>Have you looked at the price of an album through iTunes lately?  That logic does not apply.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the price of a movie via download should be really attractive.Have you looked at the price of an album through iTunes lately ?
That logic does not apply .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the price of a movie via download should be really attractive.Have you looked at the price of an album through iTunes lately?
That logic does not apply.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052556</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31055980</id>
	<title>Let the RIAA sort Conroy out!</title>
	<author>Demonoid-Penguin</author>
	<datestamp>1265545200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ktorrent -&gt; Preferences -&gt; General Options -&gt; Custom IP = www.minister.dbcde.gov.au  203.9.222.73</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ktorrent - &gt; Preferences - &gt; General Options - &gt; Custom IP = www.minister.dbcde.gov.au 203.9.222.73</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ktorrent -&gt; Preferences -&gt; General Options -&gt; Custom IP = www.minister.dbcde.gov.au  203.9.222.73</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052598</id>
	<title>Why have talks when you won in court?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265560620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why should the ISPs enter into talks when they've already won in court?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why should the ISPs enter into talks when they 've already won in court ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why should the ISPs enter into talks when they've already won in court?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31058268</id>
	<title>Stupidity is not party</title>
	<author>Eth1csGrad1ent</author>
	<datestamp>1265567760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are kidding me aren't you ?</p><p>The only thing guaranteed is that the Liberals (the ONLY alternative government) will push exactly the same agenda with exactly the same results!</p><p>Have you forgotten Helen <a href="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/coonan-seeks-to-censor-the-web/story-e6frgamx-1111114463664" title="theaustralian.com.au">Coonan seeks to censor the Web</a> [theaustralian.com.au] and <a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi\_m0FGI/is\_6\_17/ai\_n27068212/" title="findarticles.com">Senator Richard Alston: Australia's Internet killer?</a> [findarticles.com]  both Ministers for Communications under the previous <b>Liberal</b> government ?</p><p>Stephen Conroy is a mis-guided tool, there is no doubt, but please don't try to push the point that there is a credible alternative.... there isn't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are kidding me are n't you ? The only thing guaranteed is that the Liberals ( the ONLY alternative government ) will push exactly the same agenda with exactly the same results ! Have you forgotten Helen Coonan seeks to censor the Web [ theaustralian.com.au ] and Senator Richard Alston : Australia 's Internet killer ?
[ findarticles.com ] both Ministers for Communications under the previous Liberal government ? Stephen Conroy is a mis-guided tool , there is no doubt , but please do n't try to push the point that there is a credible alternative.... there is n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are kidding me aren't you ?The only thing guaranteed is that the Liberals (the ONLY alternative government) will push exactly the same agenda with exactly the same results!Have you forgotten Helen Coonan seeks to censor the Web [theaustralian.com.au] and Senator Richard Alston: Australia's Internet killer?
[findarticles.com]  both Ministers for Communications under the previous Liberal government ?Stephen Conroy is a mis-guided tool, there is no doubt, but please don't try to push the point that there is a credible alternative.... there isn't.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31057428</id>
	<title>Re:Not even attempting to police its internet traf</title>
	<author>rdnetto</author>
	<datestamp>1265559480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Technically they do have port blocking enabled on ports 25, 80, 135, 139, 443 &amp; 445, but you can disable it by going to their website. Seems like a good way to protect users from botnets, etc. without limiting the ones who know what their doing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Technically they do have port blocking enabled on ports 25 , 80 , 135 , 139 , 443 &amp; 445 , but you can disable it by going to their website .
Seems like a good way to protect users from botnets , etc .
without limiting the ones who know what their doing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Technically they do have port blocking enabled on ports 25, 80, 135, 139, 443 &amp; 445, but you can disable it by going to their website.
Seems like a good way to protect users from botnets, etc.
without limiting the ones who know what their doing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052674</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31053742</id>
	<title>Unreasonable and impossible</title>
	<author>HalAtWork</author>
	<datestamp>1265571780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. It's not the ISP's responsibility to worry about what someone else is doing to their web site.  If authorities have a problem, they should contact the site.  Nevermind that it would be impossible to account for every deviance.<br>
&nbsp; <br>2.  The ISP is just a conduit, they should not manipulate the traffic in any way, as this would compromise their function, which is to act as the last mile in an internet connection.  They do not provide the content.  Should I sue the city because their streets can lead me to illegal activities?<br>
&nbsp; <br>3. The users and the hosts of the content (not the ISP) should be charged based on their involvement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
It 's not the ISP 's responsibility to worry about what someone else is doing to their web site .
If authorities have a problem , they should contact the site .
Nevermind that it would be impossible to account for every deviance .
  2 .
The ISP is just a conduit , they should not manipulate the traffic in any way , as this would compromise their function , which is to act as the last mile in an internet connection .
They do not provide the content .
Should I sue the city because their streets can lead me to illegal activities ?
  3 .
The users and the hosts of the content ( not the ISP ) should be charged based on their involvement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
It's not the ISP's responsibility to worry about what someone else is doing to their web site.
If authorities have a problem, they should contact the site.
Nevermind that it would be impossible to account for every deviance.
  2.
The ISP is just a conduit, they should not manipulate the traffic in any way, as this would compromise their function, which is to act as the last mile in an internet connection.
They do not provide the content.
Should I sue the city because their streets can lead me to illegal activities?
  3.
The users and the hosts of the content (not the ISP) should be charged based on their involvement.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31054024</id>
	<title>Re:How and What purpose?</title>
	<author>mpe</author>
	<datestamp>1265574600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Doesn't Au have more pressing matters to address in its country? I think so. This is just another ploy to generate more lawyer jobs that bollocks up yet another world icon-www. GET a REAL LIFE au- Don't be so pitiful.</i> <br> <br>I suspect that Australia has the same problem that many other countries have. That is far too many career politicians...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't Au have more pressing matters to address in its country ?
I think so .
This is just another ploy to generate more lawyer jobs that bollocks up yet another world icon-www .
GET a REAL LIFE au- Do n't be so pitiful .
I suspect that Australia has the same problem that many other countries have .
That is far too many career politicians.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't Au have more pressing matters to address in its country?
I think so.
This is just another ploy to generate more lawyer jobs that bollocks up yet another world icon-www.
GET a REAL LIFE au- Don't be so pitiful.
I suspect that Australia has the same problem that many other countries have.
That is far too many career politicians...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31053116</id>
	<title>Don't you see?!</title>
	<author>Dirtside</author>
	<datestamp>1265566500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hollywood just had its highest box office year EVER! Clearly piracy is taking a huge toll, and...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...uh... wait...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hollywood just had its highest box office year EVER !
Clearly piracy is taking a huge toll , and... ...uh... wait.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hollywood just had its highest box office year EVER!
Clearly piracy is taking a huge toll, and... ...uh... wait...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052376</id>
	<title>Only one way</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265558100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TPM/DRM at the board level and require special clients ( like netzero ) to be inserted into your IP stack. You cant have ANY file that isn't approved by the 'key server'. Even your lowly diary has to be approved, let alone music, books, movies, games, applications. Connect online without your trusty TPM enabled client, you get reported.</p><p>Great way to kill off free speech too, that old non DRM'd PDF of Mein Kampf you legally bought off Amazon years ago is no longer permitted, AND you get reported the next time you try to view it off your backup CDROM copy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TPM/DRM at the board level and require special clients ( like netzero ) to be inserted into your IP stack .
You cant have ANY file that is n't approved by the 'key server' .
Even your lowly diary has to be approved , let alone music , books , movies , games , applications .
Connect online without your trusty TPM enabled client , you get reported.Great way to kill off free speech too , that old non DRM 'd PDF of Mein Kampf you legally bought off Amazon years ago is no longer permitted , AND you get reported the next time you try to view it off your backup CDROM copy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TPM/DRM at the board level and require special clients ( like netzero ) to be inserted into your IP stack.
You cant have ANY file that isn't approved by the 'key server'.
Even your lowly diary has to be approved, let alone music, books, movies, games, applications.
Connect online without your trusty TPM enabled client, you get reported.Great way to kill off free speech too, that old non DRM'd PDF of Mein Kampf you legally bought off Amazon years ago is no longer permitted, AND you get reported the next time you try to view it off your backup CDROM copy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31058444</id>
	<title>Re:Gah - somebody stop this ridiculous man</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265570280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Put the sitting member last on your ballot paper. It is devastating...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Put the sitting member last on your ballot paper .
It is devastating.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Put the sitting member last on your ballot paper.
It is devastating...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31055236</id>
	<title>Apologies</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265539980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On behalf of all Australians I apologize for the level of retardation in our government. Sadly, it seems that over 50\% of the voting public here are dibbling idots that think a toilet is something you drink from.  It is these people that vote their fellow retards into positions of power...</p><p>Conroy and Atkinson especially think we need nappies. Conroy accuses everyone who opposes his precious defective by design Internet censorship policy of being fans of child porn. Atkinson who once said he doesn't support a r18 rating for games to protect his kids when at the time I understand that his youngest son was around 22</p><p>Once again, I'm sorry on behalf of all those voters that don't understand these Internet thingies and I pray your government doesn't use ours as a shining example.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On behalf of all Australians I apologize for the level of retardation in our government .
Sadly , it seems that over 50 \ % of the voting public here are dibbling idots that think a toilet is something you drink from .
It is these people that vote their fellow retards into positions of power...Conroy and Atkinson especially think we need nappies .
Conroy accuses everyone who opposes his precious defective by design Internet censorship policy of being fans of child porn .
Atkinson who once said he does n't support a r18 rating for games to protect his kids when at the time I understand that his youngest son was around 22Once again , I 'm sorry on behalf of all those voters that do n't understand these Internet thingies and I pray your government does n't use ours as a shining example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On behalf of all Australians I apologize for the level of retardation in our government.
Sadly, it seems that over 50\% of the voting public here are dibbling idots that think a toilet is something you drink from.
It is these people that vote their fellow retards into positions of power...Conroy and Atkinson especially think we need nappies.
Conroy accuses everyone who opposes his precious defective by design Internet censorship policy of being fans of child porn.
Atkinson who once said he doesn't support a r18 rating for games to protect his kids when at the time I understand that his youngest son was around 22Once again, I'm sorry on behalf of all those voters that don't understand these Internet thingies and I pray your government doesn't use ours as a shining example.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31055644</id>
	<title>Re:About Want...</title>
	<author>AHuxley</author>
	<datestamp>1265542680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not so silly, decades of work by a faith based group to get the left and right.<br>
The filter was the deal for support.<br>
Anything to mess with the internet really.<br>
Their views on woman, sexuality and other faiths can be found at : <br>
<a href="http://www.abc.net.au/compass/s1358912.htm" title="abc.net.au">http://www.abc.net.au/compass/s1358912.htm</a> [abc.net.au] <br>
They played the long wait with both sides of politics.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not so silly , decades of work by a faith based group to get the left and right .
The filter was the deal for support .
Anything to mess with the internet really .
Their views on woman , sexuality and other faiths can be found at : http : //www.abc.net.au/compass/s1358912.htm [ abc.net.au ] They played the long wait with both sides of politics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not so silly, decades of work by a faith based group to get the left and right.
The filter was the deal for support.
Anything to mess with the internet really.
Their views on woman, sexuality and other faiths can be found at : 
http://www.abc.net.au/compass/s1358912.htm [abc.net.au] 
They played the long wait with both sides of politics.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31057062</id>
	<title>Re:Gah - somebody stop this ridiculous man</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265555820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And you think the Lib/Nats aren't already in bed with major corporations?</p><p>We're screwed either way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And you think the Lib/Nats are n't already in bed with major corporations ? We 're screwed either way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And you think the Lib/Nats aren't already in bed with major corporations?We're screwed either way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31056458</id>
	<title>Re:About Want...</title>
	<author>JackieBrown</author>
	<datestamp>1265550000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have that aleady with cigerette companies being sued for people smoking and bars being responsible for a drunk not driving away from a bar.</p><p>This is just another extension of having someone else police ourselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have that aleady with cigerette companies being sued for people smoking and bars being responsible for a drunk not driving away from a bar.This is just another extension of having someone else police ourselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have that aleady with cigerette companies being sued for people smoking and bars being responsible for a drunk not driving away from a bar.This is just another extension of having someone else police ourselves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052986</id>
	<title>Prove I would have bought it...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265565480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... before suing me for the price.</p><p>The Media Idiots don't get it - if the only choice for obtaining their product was to pay for it they'd end up selling less and not making the record-breaking profits they are now because their products would not get as much exposure as they do.</p><p>PIRACY GIVES PRODUCT EXPOSURE.</p><p>Call it 'Good Faith Advertising' - Media releases a product, it gets pirated - pirates like it - next product gets bought by those pirates who 1) have the money to do so and 2) can get the product at a FAIR price.</p><p>I think the biggest Media fear is that when they release crap products consumers will find out it's crap before purchasing it (through piracy) - since we're having more and more retailers saying 'once opened you can't return' WE would be screwed, but THEY would make Money.</p><p>PIRACY is therefore in the best interests of Both the consumer AND the producer SO LONG AS THE PRODUCER IS RELEASING A QUALITY PRODUCT<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... before suing me for the price.The Media Idiots do n't get it - if the only choice for obtaining their product was to pay for it they 'd end up selling less and not making the record-breaking profits they are now because their products would not get as much exposure as they do.PIRACY GIVES PRODUCT EXPOSURE.Call it 'Good Faith Advertising ' - Media releases a product , it gets pirated - pirates like it - next product gets bought by those pirates who 1 ) have the money to do so and 2 ) can get the product at a FAIR price.I think the biggest Media fear is that when they release crap products consumers will find out it 's crap before purchasing it ( through piracy ) - since we 're having more and more retailers saying 'once opened you ca n't return ' WE would be screwed , but THEY would make Money.PIRACY is therefore in the best interests of Both the consumer AND the producer SO LONG AS THE PRODUCER IS RELEASING A QUALITY PRODUCT ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... before suing me for the price.The Media Idiots don't get it - if the only choice for obtaining their product was to pay for it they'd end up selling less and not making the record-breaking profits they are now because their products would not get as much exposure as they do.PIRACY GIVES PRODUCT EXPOSURE.Call it 'Good Faith Advertising' - Media releases a product, it gets pirated - pirates like it - next product gets bought by those pirates who 1) have the money to do so and 2) can get the product at a FAIR price.I think the biggest Media fear is that when they release crap products consumers will find out it's crap before purchasing it (through piracy) - since we're having more and more retailers saying 'once opened you can't return' WE would be screwed, but THEY would make Money.PIRACY is therefore in the best interests of Both the consumer AND the producer SO LONG AS THE PRODUCER IS RELEASING A QUALITY PRODUCT ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052460</id>
	<title>How long until the next election</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265558820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know where this will lead? The politicians will try to use 'child porn' as a root access password to the legal system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know where this will lead ?
The politicians will try to use 'child porn ' as a root access password to the legal system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know where this will lead?
The politicians will try to use 'child porn' as a root access password to the legal system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31057306</id>
	<title>Re:Gah - somebody stop this ridiculous man</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265558220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There will be an election before too long.  DON'T VOTE LABOR.</p><p>Vote Liberal/National, Democrat, Independent, hell, even Green (though they're still crazy as a bedbug).  Just don't vote Labor.</p></div><p>Don't vote Liberal/National either, it was them that came up with this before the last election, Conroy just picked it up and ran with it when Labor came in.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There will be an election before too long .
DO N'T VOTE LABOR.Vote Liberal/National , Democrat , Independent , hell , even Green ( though they 're still crazy as a bedbug ) .
Just do n't vote Labor.Do n't vote Liberal/National either , it was them that came up with this before the last election , Conroy just picked it up and ran with it when Labor came in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There will be an election before too long.
DON'T VOTE LABOR.Vote Liberal/National, Democrat, Independent, hell, even Green (though they're still crazy as a bedbug).
Just don't vote Labor.Don't vote Liberal/National either, it was them that came up with this before the last election, Conroy just picked it up and ran with it when Labor came in.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31053090</id>
	<title>Re:Only one way</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1265566260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Even your lowly diary has to be approved, let alone music, books, movies, games, applications. Connect online without your trusty TPM enabled client, you get reported.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>Don't you think that's a bit much? Obviously they'd let you store a few small unapproved files on your machine, oh, say ten files, each with a maximum of 1000 characters.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even your lowly diary has to be approved , let alone music , books , movies , games , applications .
Connect online without your trusty TPM enabled client , you get reported .
Do n't you think that 's a bit much ?
Obviously they 'd let you store a few small unapproved files on your machine , oh , say ten files , each with a maximum of 1000 characters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even your lowly diary has to be approved, let alone music, books, movies, games, applications.
Connect online without your trusty TPM enabled client, you get reported.
Don't you think that's a bit much?
Obviously they'd let you store a few small unapproved files on your machine, oh, say ten files, each with a maximum of 1000 characters.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31054042</id>
	<title>Re:Here's an idea..</title>
	<author>Matt\_R</author>
	<datestamp>1265574660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Conroy's seat will be up for grabs</p></div><p>Except he's at the top of the Labor Senate ticket. If Labor get any Senators from Victoria, he'll get back in.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Conroy 's seat will be up for grabsExcept he 's at the top of the Labor Senate ticket .
If Labor get any Senators from Victoria , he 'll get back in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Conroy's seat will be up for grabsExcept he's at the top of the Labor Senate ticket.
If Labor get any Senators from Victoria, he'll get back in.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31059172</id>
	<title>Re:And I hereby request</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265626800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is it ANYTHING like that? AFACT isn't asking ISPs to monitor all their users. It's not even asking them to monitor the individual users found to be pirating. It's asking them to either pass on the infringement notices to users, or provide the account details so they can do it themselves. You weren't even close. But of course, it's an anti-copyright statement, so it gets +5 naturally.</p><p>Oh well, when in Rome...<br>ZOMG, it's like the music industry is teh Nazis and everyone else in the world is the Joos! They is killing people and fluffy kittens! EVIL MUSICS PEEPOL!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is it ANYTHING like that ?
AFACT is n't asking ISPs to monitor all their users .
It 's not even asking them to monitor the individual users found to be pirating .
It 's asking them to either pass on the infringement notices to users , or provide the account details so they can do it themselves .
You were n't even close .
But of course , it 's an anti-copyright statement , so it gets + 5 naturally.Oh well , when in Rome...ZOMG , it 's like the music industry is teh Nazis and everyone else in the world is the Joos !
They is killing people and fluffy kittens !
EVIL MUSICS PEEPOL !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is it ANYTHING like that?
AFACT isn't asking ISPs to monitor all their users.
It's not even asking them to monitor the individual users found to be pirating.
It's asking them to either pass on the infringement notices to users, or provide the account details so they can do it themselves.
You weren't even close.
But of course, it's an anti-copyright statement, so it gets +5 naturally.Oh well, when in Rome...ZOMG, it's like the music industry is teh Nazis and everyone else in the world is the Joos!
They is killing people and fluffy kittens!
EVIL MUSICS PEEPOL!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31056258</id>
	<title>Re:Reality check, folks</title>
	<author>LordLucless</author>
	<datestamp>1265547780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Not only are there fewer sales due to piracy but even more so there are fewer taxes paid.</p></div><p>Except the numbers don't seem to bear that out. They grew, even during a period of economic downturn in the US. Note that for movies, the total tickets sold increased, so it's not just a result of twiddling ticket prices.</p><p>

<strong>2009</strong> <br>
Total Box Office Gross: $10,800,428,340<br>
Tickets sold: 1,440,057,129<br>
<br>
Music: $1,545 million<br>
<br>
<strong>2008</strong> <br>
Total Box Office Gross: $9,945,355,274<br>
Tickets sold: 1,385,146,979<br>
<br>
Music: $1,513 million<br>
<br>
Sources: <a href="http://www.the-numbers.com/" title="the-numbers.com">The Numbers</a> [the-numbers.com], <a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2010/01/07/2009-wrap-up-music-purchases-up-album-sales-down/" title="rollingstone.com">Rolling Stone</a> [rollingstone.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only are there fewer sales due to piracy but even more so there are fewer taxes paid.Except the numbers do n't seem to bear that out .
They grew , even during a period of economic downturn in the US .
Note that for movies , the total tickets sold increased , so it 's not just a result of twiddling ticket prices .
2009 Total Box Office Gross : $ 10,800,428,340 Tickets sold : 1,440,057,129 Music : $ 1,545 million 2008 Total Box Office Gross : $ 9,945,355,274 Tickets sold : 1,385,146,979 Music : $ 1,513 million Sources : The Numbers [ the-numbers.com ] , Rolling Stone [ rollingstone.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only are there fewer sales due to piracy but even more so there are fewer taxes paid.Except the numbers don't seem to bear that out.
They grew, even during a period of economic downturn in the US.
Note that for movies, the total tickets sold increased, so it's not just a result of twiddling ticket prices.
2009 
Total Box Office Gross: $10,800,428,340
Tickets sold: 1,440,057,129

Music: $1,545 million

2008 
Total Box Office Gross: $9,945,355,274
Tickets sold: 1,385,146,979

Music: $1,513 million

Sources: The Numbers [the-numbers.com], Rolling Stone [rollingstone.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31055282</id>
	<title>Hey Aussie Politicians...</title>
	<author>CompMD</author>
	<datestamp>1265540220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The courts have spoken several times now.  What part of "no" don't you understand?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The courts have spoken several times now .
What part of " no " do n't you understand ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The courts have spoken several times now.
What part of "no" don't you understand?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31053002</id>
	<title>My My</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265565540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Slashdot crowd demonstrates once again woeful ignorance and a biased perspective that is just as bad as the one they berate the corporations from having.</p><p>See, even if the court ruled that the law says one thing, it doesn't mean that the result is just or immutable. Laws get changed.   Laws sometimes need to be changed.  Courts are conservative, they interpret and react, not set a new path.   Legislatures are proactive, they set the pace, they change the tune when circumstances change.</p><p>So the corporations are lobbying the politicians.  Go figure.  Don't like it?  Go do it yourself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Slashdot crowd demonstrates once again woeful ignorance and a biased perspective that is just as bad as the one they berate the corporations from having.See , even if the court ruled that the law says one thing , it does n't mean that the result is just or immutable .
Laws get changed .
Laws sometimes need to be changed .
Courts are conservative , they interpret and react , not set a new path .
Legislatures are proactive , they set the pace , they change the tune when circumstances change.So the corporations are lobbying the politicians .
Go figure .
Do n't like it ?
Go do it yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Slashdot crowd demonstrates once again woeful ignorance and a biased perspective that is just as bad as the one they berate the corporations from having.See, even if the court ruled that the law says one thing, it doesn't mean that the result is just or immutable.
Laws get changed.
Laws sometimes need to be changed.
Courts are conservative, they interpret and react, not set a new path.
Legislatures are proactive, they set the pace, they change the tune when circumstances change.So the corporations are lobbying the politicians.
Go figure.
Don't like it?
Go do it yourself.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31053938</id>
	<title>Australia's Minister of Communications...</title>
	<author>Patman64</author>
	<datestamp>1265573820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...would like his check now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...would like his check now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...would like his check now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31058434</id>
	<title>the only solution</title>
	<author>azenpunk</author>
	<datestamp>1265570100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is only one real solution to the problem of illegal downloads, and that is to make them legal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is only one real solution to the problem of illegal downloads , and that is to make them legal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is only one real solution to the problem of illegal downloads, and that is to make them legal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31056860</id>
	<title>Re:And I hereby request</title>
	<author>g-lock82</author>
	<datestamp>1265553720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Please don't give Senator Conroy any more ideas.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please do n't give Senator Conroy any more ideas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please don't give Senator Conroy any more ideas.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052374</id>
	<title>It Seems...</title>
	<author>Yaa 101</author>
	<datestamp>1265558040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems that law is not going to deter them from getting their way...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems that law is not going to deter them from getting their way.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems that law is not going to deter them from getting their way...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31057070</id>
	<title>Re:Gah - somebody stop this ridiculous man</title>
	<author>Techman83</author>
	<datestamp>1265555940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or maybe even the <a href="http://pirateparty.org.au/" title="pirateparty.org.au">Pirate Party</a> [pirateparty.org.au]. They are on a membership drive, nows your chance to get on board and support a Party that believes in maintaining our rights and freedoms.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or maybe even the Pirate Party [ pirateparty.org.au ] .
They are on a membership drive , nows your chance to get on board and support a Party that believes in maintaining our rights and freedoms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or maybe even the Pirate Party [pirateparty.org.au].
They are on a membership drive, nows your chance to get on board and support a Party that believes in maintaining our rights and freedoms.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31055794</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052306</id>
	<title>And I hereby request</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265557320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>that the Australian Government and all the potential murderers and all the potential murder victims sit down and work out a solution to stop murder from ever taking place in Australia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that the Australian Government and all the potential murderers and all the potential murder victims sit down and work out a solution to stop murder from ever taking place in Australia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that the Australian Government and all the potential murderers and all the potential murder victims sit down and work out a solution to stop murder from ever taking place in Australia.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31056874</id>
	<title>To be fair though...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265553780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Stephen Conroy" != "The Australian Government"</p><p>Mr Conroy's politics are infamous in Australia. It is hard to believe that a minister for communications can have so little understanding of the realities of how the Internet operates.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Stephen Conroy " ! = " The Australian Government " Mr Conroy 's politics are infamous in Australia .
It is hard to believe that a minister for communications can have so little understanding of the realities of how the Internet operates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Stephen Conroy" != "The Australian Government"Mr Conroy's politics are infamous in Australia.
It is hard to believe that a minister for communications can have so little understanding of the realities of how the Internet operates.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31056136</id>
	<title>Re:About Want...</title>
	<author>mgblst</author>
	<datestamp>1265546640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pubs have a certain responsibilty for drunk drivers in certain states in Australia. If you keep serving someone who is drunk, and they get in an accident, you are partly culpable.</p><p>There is precedence for this. But you might as well make Telstra responsible, they own the wires.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pubs have a certain responsibilty for drunk drivers in certain states in Australia .
If you keep serving someone who is drunk , and they get in an accident , you are partly culpable.There is precedence for this .
But you might as well make Telstra responsible , they own the wires .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pubs have a certain responsibilty for drunk drivers in certain states in Australia.
If you keep serving someone who is drunk, and they get in an accident, you are partly culpable.There is precedence for this.
But you might as well make Telstra responsible, they own the wires.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052332</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31055478</id>
	<title>Re:Don't you see?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265541540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>When your highest box office year is achieved through ticket price rises (which it was) and the annual rise was less than the ticket price wise percentage wise (which it was) then yeah I guess they can rightly argue that piracy is hurting them. You can't look at box office earnings without taking into account costs, that is just idiotic, Box Office has been flat or slightly negative since 2000.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When your highest box office year is achieved through ticket price rises ( which it was ) and the annual rise was less than the ticket price wise percentage wise ( which it was ) then yeah I guess they can rightly argue that piracy is hurting them .
You ca n't look at box office earnings without taking into account costs , that is just idiotic , Box Office has been flat or slightly negative since 2000 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When your highest box office year is achieved through ticket price rises (which it was) and the annual rise was less than the ticket price wise percentage wise (which it was) then yeah I guess they can rightly argue that piracy is hurting them.
You can't look at box office earnings without taking into account costs, that is just idiotic, Box Office has been flat or slightly negative since 2000.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052970</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe it's time for real reform?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265565240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, you got it wrong. By "copyright thieves", he meant those who use the corrupt law to ownership of divulged info. They are the real thieves, and should be hanged from the highest tree.</p><p><i>There's also the fact that some things aren't even sold in some markets. So yes there is copyright infringement but no actual loss of sales. So how can there be any monetary damages in these cases?</i></p><p>The value of an object is proportional to its scarcity, both natural and artificial. Copyright is an example of the artificial.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , you got it wrong .
By " copyright thieves " , he meant those who use the corrupt law to ownership of divulged info .
They are the real thieves , and should be hanged from the highest tree.There 's also the fact that some things are n't even sold in some markets .
So yes there is copyright infringement but no actual loss of sales .
So how can there be any monetary damages in these cases ? The value of an object is proportional to its scarcity , both natural and artificial .
Copyright is an example of the artificial .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, you got it wrong.
By "copyright thieves", he meant those who use the corrupt law to ownership of divulged info.
They are the real thieves, and should be hanged from the highest tree.There's also the fact that some things aren't even sold in some markets.
So yes there is copyright infringement but no actual loss of sales.
So how can there be any monetary damages in these cases?The value of an object is proportional to its scarcity, both natural and artificial.
Copyright is an example of the artificial.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052478</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31057328</id>
	<title>Re:Governments fail again...</title>
	<author>Dan541</author>
	<datestamp>1265558340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Here's a better idea: Force the movie/music industries to provide an attractive/convenient alternative at a realistic price. eg. You pay $2 to watch a movie on demand.</p></div><p>The best way to do this is for every one to just ignore them. Seriously, I have never known a failing industry to bitch, whine and act so unprofessionally as the film and music industries. We should all ignore them and let the free market take it's course, they will either adapt or die as every other business must do.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's a better idea : Force the movie/music industries to provide an attractive/convenient alternative at a realistic price .
eg. You pay $ 2 to watch a movie on demand.The best way to do this is for every one to just ignore them .
Seriously , I have never known a failing industry to bitch , whine and act so unprofessionally as the film and music industries .
We should all ignore them and let the free market take it 's course , they will either adapt or die as every other business must do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's a better idea: Force the movie/music industries to provide an attractive/convenient alternative at a realistic price.
eg. You pay $2 to watch a movie on demand.The best way to do this is for every one to just ignore them.
Seriously, I have never known a failing industry to bitch, whine and act so unprofessionally as the film and music industries.
We should all ignore them and let the free market take it's course, they will either adapt or die as every other business must do.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052808</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31058236</id>
	<title>Re:Here's an idea..</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1265567340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So lets all agree here to vote under the line (by candidate) in the senate and to put Conroy last, lower even than the "Guns for everybody" idiots, the "no slanty eyed people in Oz" twits and the "men who don't believe in child support" morons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So lets all agree here to vote under the line ( by candidate ) in the senate and to put Conroy last , lower even than the " Guns for everybody " idiots , the " no slanty eyed people in Oz " twits and the " men who do n't believe in child support " morons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So lets all agree here to vote under the line (by candidate) in the senate and to put Conroy last, lower even than the "Guns for everybody" idiots, the "no slanty eyed people in Oz" twits and the "men who don't believe in child support" morons.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31055136</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31057206</id>
	<title>Re:And I hereby request</title>
	<author>Dan541</author>
	<datestamp>1265557380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More like the murder victims sitting down with the iron ore miners to discuss how to reduce knife violence.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More like the murder victims sitting down with the iron ore miners to discuss how to reduce knife violence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More like the murder victims sitting down with the iron ore miners to discuss how to reduce knife violence.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_1323229.31052306</parent>
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