<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_06_233240</id>
	<title>Google's Nexus One, a Steal At $49 Unlocked?</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1265467620000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>gjt writes <i>"I initially posted a piece <a href="http://www.gadgetopolis.com/posts/7250">ragging on the Nexus One</a>. But then a commenter pointed out a problem with my initial logic, and after doing some math I concluded that the $529 unlocked/unsubsidized Google Nexus One gPhone is much cheaper than it appears to be. In fact <a href="http://www.gadgetopolis.com/posts/7315">it's only $49 over two years</a> &mdash; and that's unlocked! Google likes to say that the Nexus One represents '<a href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/our-new-approach-to-buying-mobile-phone.html">Our new approach to buying a mobile phone</a>.' But it actually seems as though T-Mobile deserves most of the credit by providing a $20/month discount to customers who purchase an unsubsidized phone, a fact that didn't seem to get much attention when T-Mobile created the plan last October."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>gjt writes " I initially posted a piece ragging on the Nexus One .
But then a commenter pointed out a problem with my initial logic , and after doing some math I concluded that the $ 529 unlocked/unsubsidized Google Nexus One gPhone is much cheaper than it appears to be .
In fact it 's only $ 49 over two years    and that 's unlocked !
Google likes to say that the Nexus One represents 'Our new approach to buying a mobile phone .
' But it actually seems as though T-Mobile deserves most of the credit by providing a $ 20/month discount to customers who purchase an unsubsidized phone , a fact that did n't seem to get much attention when T-Mobile created the plan last October .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>gjt writes "I initially posted a piece ragging on the Nexus One.
But then a commenter pointed out a problem with my initial logic, and after doing some math I concluded that the $529 unlocked/unsubsidized Google Nexus One gPhone is much cheaper than it appears to be.
In fact it's only $49 over two years — and that's unlocked!
Google likes to say that the Nexus One represents 'Our new approach to buying a mobile phone.
' But it actually seems as though T-Mobile deserves most of the credit by providing a $20/month discount to customers who purchase an unsubsidized phone, a fact that didn't seem to get much attention when T-Mobile created the plan last October.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051912</id>
	<title>Re:Obviously this person is not financially litera</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1265551500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My apologies, you were correct and I was spouting nonsense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My apologies , you were correct and I was spouting nonsense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My apologies, you were correct and I was spouting nonsense.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051046</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31069604</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265706180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What do wives have to do with school?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What do wives have to do with school ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What do wives have to do with school?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049872</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051072</id>
	<title>3G phone without 3G?</title>
	<author>MazzThePianoman</author>
	<datestamp>1265535000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://coverage.t-mobile.com/default.aspx?MapType=Data" title="t-mobile.com">http://coverage.t-mobile.com/default.aspx?MapType=Data</a> [t-mobile.com]

If you are happy with 2-3 times the speed of dialup then go for it. T-Mobile only has 3G in a few select large cities. Cripples the phone in my opinion. Even AT&amp;T has much much better 3G coverage. And Verizon throws Rev-A (3G) on all their towers which is why they have been winning the "map wars" recently.</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //coverage.t-mobile.com/default.aspx ? MapType = Data [ t-mobile.com ] If you are happy with 2-3 times the speed of dialup then go for it .
T-Mobile only has 3G in a few select large cities .
Cripples the phone in my opinion .
Even AT&amp;T has much much better 3G coverage .
And Verizon throws Rev-A ( 3G ) on all their towers which is why they have been winning the " map wars " recently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://coverage.t-mobile.com/default.aspx?MapType=Data [t-mobile.com]

If you are happy with 2-3 times the speed of dialup then go for it.
T-Mobile only has 3G in a few select large cities.
Cripples the phone in my opinion.
Even AT&amp;T has much much better 3G coverage.
And Verizon throws Rev-A (3G) on all their towers which is why they have been winning the "map wars" recently.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051184</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>Sulphur</author>
	<datestamp>1265538180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>20\% OFF!!!</p><p>Is 20\% half a bubble.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>20 \ % OFF ! !
! Is 20 \ % half a bubble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>20\% OFF!!
!Is 20\% half a bubble.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049914</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050008</id>
	<title>Obviously this person is not financially literate</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265473140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know this is Slashdot, where only literacy in Linux is a requirement.  Nonetheless:</p><p>This guy seems to conflate sunk and running costs.</p><p><i>Let's use the numbers he gives.</i> Then we have two options:</p><p>Subsidized: {$179.00} + {$79.99/month . 24 months} = $179.00 + $1919.76 = $2098.76     (1)<br>Unsubsidized: {$529.00} + {$99.99/month . 24 months} = $529.00 + $2399.76 = $2928.76     (2)</p><p>You are paying $830 more for the unsubsidized phone.</p><p>The article's assertion that $529 - $480 is what the phone really costs is incorrect, since if you are buying the unsubsidized phone, the running costs are those of the unsubsidized phone, rather than the subsidized one. Or see it this way:  He is saying that what will effectively come out of your pocket for the unsubsidized phone is</p><p>$529 - $480 = $529 - {$2399.76 - $1919.76} = $529 - $2399.76 + $1919.76</p><p>which is at odds with (1) and (2) above. I.e. to arrive at his number you are buying the unsubsidized phone, paying the subsidized running costs, and on top of that somehow receiving the money for the unsubsidized running costs!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know this is Slashdot , where only literacy in Linux is a requirement .
Nonetheless : This guy seems to conflate sunk and running costs.Let 's use the numbers he gives .
Then we have two options : Subsidized : { $ 179.00 } + { $ 79.99/month .
24 months } = $ 179.00 + $ 1919.76 = $ 2098.76 ( 1 ) Unsubsidized : { $ 529.00 } + { $ 99.99/month .
24 months } = $ 529.00 + $ 2399.76 = $ 2928.76 ( 2 ) You are paying $ 830 more for the unsubsidized phone.The article 's assertion that $ 529 - $ 480 is what the phone really costs is incorrect , since if you are buying the unsubsidized phone , the running costs are those of the unsubsidized phone , rather than the subsidized one .
Or see it this way : He is saying that what will effectively come out of your pocket for the unsubsidized phone is $ 529 - $ 480 = $ 529 - { $ 2399.76 - $ 1919.76 } = $ 529 - $ 2399.76 + $ 1919.76which is at odds with ( 1 ) and ( 2 ) above .
I.e. to arrive at his number you are buying the unsubsidized phone , paying the subsidized running costs , and on top of that somehow receiving the money for the unsubsidized running costs !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know this is Slashdot, where only literacy in Linux is a requirement.
Nonetheless:This guy seems to conflate sunk and running costs.Let's use the numbers he gives.
Then we have two options:Subsidized: {$179.00} + {$79.99/month .
24 months} = $179.00 + $1919.76 = $2098.76     (1)Unsubsidized: {$529.00} + {$99.99/month .
24 months} = $529.00 + $2399.76 = $2928.76     (2)You are paying $830 more for the unsubsidized phone.The article's assertion that $529 - $480 is what the phone really costs is incorrect, since if you are buying the unsubsidized phone, the running costs are those of the unsubsidized phone, rather than the subsidized one.
Or see it this way:  He is saying that what will effectively come out of your pocket for the unsubsidized phone is$529 - $480 = $529 - {$2399.76 - $1919.76} = $529 - $2399.76 + $1919.76which is at odds with (1) and (2) above.
I.e. to arrive at his number you are buying the unsubsidized phone, paying the subsidized running costs, and on top of that somehow receiving the money for the unsubsidized running costs!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051338</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265540940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The best line ever is when they get home and say "Guess how much I saved?"  FML.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best line ever is when they get home and say " Guess how much I saved ?
" FML .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best line ever is when they get home and say "Guess how much I saved?
"  FML.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049872</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31117078</id>
	<title>Re:I found the 'defective by design' aspect</title>
	<author>Deliveranc3</author>
	<datestamp>1266006960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wrong thing, the real problem is the different networks. Let's not let the idea of systematic lack of interoperability affect our perceptions of individual companies, unless they CREATE that systematic problem... like Microsoft.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wrong thing , the real problem is the different networks .
Let 's not let the idea of systematic lack of interoperability affect our perceptions of individual companies , unless they CREATE that systematic problem... like Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wrong thing, the real problem is the different networks.
Let's not let the idea of systematic lack of interoperability affect our perceptions of individual companies, unless they CREATE that systematic problem... like Microsoft.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050056</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31053900</id>
	<title>Re:I found the 'defective by design' aspect</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1265573580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Making the device larger and heavier isn't something that's done lightly.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>But it is done heavily sometimes, right?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Making the device larger and heavier is n't something that 's done lightly .
But it is done heavily sometimes , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Making the device larger and heavier isn't something that's done lightly.
But it is done heavily sometimes, right?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050056</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049888</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1265471760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, the more sensible comparison is $2,579 for the subsidized phone+contract, and $2,449 for the unsubsidized phone+contract.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , the more sensible comparison is $ 2,579 for the subsidized phone + contract , and $ 2,449 for the unsubsidized phone + contract .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, the more sensible comparison is $2,579 for the subsidized phone+contract, and $2,449 for the unsubsidized phone+contract.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049844</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050592</id>
	<title>Bulls eye...</title>
	<author>da\_matta</author>
	<datestamp>1265480700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can usually make your SO happy by saying something in the lines of "I think we've saved enough percentages for today, honey"</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can usually make your SO happy by saying something in the lines of " I think we 've saved enough percentages for today , honey "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can usually make your SO happy by saying something in the lines of "I think we've saved enough percentages for today, honey"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049872</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051996</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1265553060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>For a long time, I didn't even understand why<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. is so hung up about phone plans. "Why don't you just buy a prepay one?"</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>For a long time , I did n't even understand why / .
is so hung up about phone plans .
" Why do n't you just buy a prepay one ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For a long time, I didn't even understand why /.
is so hung up about phone plans.
"Why don't you just buy a prepay one?
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050914</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265574000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had found a solution to that: separate accounts!</p><p>Worked very well for a few years. Then she left me. Wonder if that was related<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had found a solution to that : separate accounts ! Worked very well for a few years .
Then she left me .
Wonder if that was related .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had found a solution to that: separate accounts!Worked very well for a few years.
Then she left me.
Wonder if that was related ...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049872</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050292</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1265476800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>But it <b>doesn't fucking fit me!!!</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>But it does n't fucking fit me ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But it doesn't fucking fit me!!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049914</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050036</id>
	<title>boo, advertising</title>
	<author>Lazy Jones</author>
	<datestamp>1265473500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Google <a href="http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1590768/nexus-one-sales-disappoint" title="theinquirer.net" rel="nofollow">getting desperate</a> [theinquirer.net] and subtly spamming slashdot now? Hey, perhaps people just don't want a phone made by the "maybeyou shouldn't be doing it in the first place" guys?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Google getting desperate [ theinquirer.net ] and subtly spamming slashdot now ?
Hey , perhaps people just do n't want a phone made by the " maybeyou should n't be doing it in the first place " guys ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google getting desperate [theinquirer.net] and subtly spamming slashdot now?
Hey, perhaps people just don't want a phone made by the "maybeyou shouldn't be doing it in the first place" guys?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050228</id>
	<title>"...T-Mobile deserves most of the credit..."</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1265475720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not possible.  T-Mobile is a cellphone company and therefor irredeemably evil.  They cannot possibly deserve any credit for anything.  I'm sure someone will explain how it is all really a plot to deprive you of your inalienable human right to unlimited free downloads and uncapped infinite bandwidth.</p><p>The RIAA is behind it.  Mark my words.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not possible .
T-Mobile is a cellphone company and therefor irredeemably evil .
They can not possibly deserve any credit for anything .
I 'm sure someone will explain how it is all really a plot to deprive you of your inalienable human right to unlimited free downloads and uncapped infinite bandwidth.The RIAA is behind it .
Mark my words .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not possible.
T-Mobile is a cellphone company and therefor irredeemably evil.
They cannot possibly deserve any credit for anything.
I'm sure someone will explain how it is all really a plot to deprive you of your inalienable human right to unlimited free downloads and uncapped infinite bandwidth.The RIAA is behind it.
Mark my words.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049892</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>hayd</author>
	<datestamp>1265471820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>1) Get a $99 cheaper plan than the $99.99 one<br>
2) Buy Nexus One<br>
3) Two years later you have earned $2400!<br>
<br>
And no need for ???? !</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) Get a $ 99 cheaper plan than the $ 99.99 one 2 ) Buy Nexus One 3 ) Two years later you have earned $ 2400 !
And no need for ? ? ? ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) Get a $99 cheaper plan than the $99.99 one
2) Buy Nexus One
3) Two years later you have earned $2400!
And no need for ????
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049844</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31069658</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265707020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You certainly don't live in Belgium, because over here it was even illegal to lock a cellphone to a provider. Only recently they started changing the laws to comply to European regulations and providers are starting to offer some deals that aren't really deals because you don't gain anything with it. The cost price is the same whether you buy the phone yourself or you get one from the provider. Belgian people are also very reluctant to not "own" what they consider to be their stuff so I don't think this will ever be a hit, unless they start dropping prices notably.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You certainly do n't live in Belgium , because over here it was even illegal to lock a cellphone to a provider .
Only recently they started changing the laws to comply to European regulations and providers are starting to offer some deals that are n't really deals because you do n't gain anything with it .
The cost price is the same whether you buy the phone yourself or you get one from the provider .
Belgian people are also very reluctant to not " own " what they consider to be their stuff so I do n't think this will ever be a hit , unless they start dropping prices notably .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You certainly don't live in Belgium, because over here it was even illegal to lock a cellphone to a provider.
Only recently they started changing the laws to comply to European regulations and providers are starting to offer some deals that aren't really deals because you don't gain anything with it.
The cost price is the same whether you buy the phone yourself or you get one from the provider.
Belgian people are also very reluctant to not "own" what they consider to be their stuff so I don't think this will ever be a hit, unless they start dropping prices notably.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049886</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31052292</id>
	<title>Re:It's fuzzy math</title>
	<author>newdsfornerds</author>
	<datestamp>1265557020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My favorite advert meme of all time is, "the more you spend the more you save!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>My favorite advert meme of all time is , " the more you spend the more you save !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My favorite advert meme of all time is, "the more you spend the more you save!
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050720</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051816</id>
	<title>Re:It's fuzzy math</title>
	<author>vadim\_t</author>
	<datestamp>1265549340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Seriously, I never understood the whole "you have to spend money to save money" mentality that so many people have.</p></div></blockquote><p>I understand it this way: If you buy too cheap, you may have to buy the same thing of kind again in the future when it breaks, or turns out to be not good enough for your needs.</p><p>For instance, my recent experiences with that:</p><p>1. I bought a high end point and shoot camera before going on vacation. Took me about 2 days to realize that it still wasn't good enough, and that I couldn't make it better by putting another lens on it, because they're not interchangeable. Now I have a DSLR and am much happier with the results. It's a midrange sort so it could be better still, but with a DSLR I have enough flexibility that I almost never happen to be in a situation that a better camera would make something significantly better. That was a waste of money on the P&amp;S.</p><p>2. Some time ago I bought a fairly high end phone... with a T9 keyboard. It was capable of fairly decent web browsing, and could run applications, but was utter horror to type anything with. I'd have been much better off with something with a real keyboard. I could have got that for $50 more. In hindsight that was a waste. Now I have a N900 and couldn't be happier.</p><p>3. I tried VIA's MiniITX boards as a way of having a "cheap server". Turned out to be anything but, because it was horribly unreliable, so after months of fighting with it, it now sits in the closet.</p><p>So, overall, buying too cheap often turns out expensive, when the cheap product isn't good enough and has to be replaced. Then you end up buying two things instead of one.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , I never understood the whole " you have to spend money to save money " mentality that so many people have.I understand it this way : If you buy too cheap , you may have to buy the same thing of kind again in the future when it breaks , or turns out to be not good enough for your needs.For instance , my recent experiences with that : 1 .
I bought a high end point and shoot camera before going on vacation .
Took me about 2 days to realize that it still was n't good enough , and that I could n't make it better by putting another lens on it , because they 're not interchangeable .
Now I have a DSLR and am much happier with the results .
It 's a midrange sort so it could be better still , but with a DSLR I have enough flexibility that I almost never happen to be in a situation that a better camera would make something significantly better .
That was a waste of money on the P&amp;S.2 .
Some time ago I bought a fairly high end phone... with a T9 keyboard .
It was capable of fairly decent web browsing , and could run applications , but was utter horror to type anything with .
I 'd have been much better off with something with a real keyboard .
I could have got that for $ 50 more .
In hindsight that was a waste .
Now I have a N900 and could n't be happier.3 .
I tried VIA 's MiniITX boards as a way of having a " cheap server " .
Turned out to be anything but , because it was horribly unreliable , so after months of fighting with it , it now sits in the closet.So , overall , buying too cheap often turns out expensive , when the cheap product is n't good enough and has to be replaced .
Then you end up buying two things instead of one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, I never understood the whole "you have to spend money to save money" mentality that so many people have.I understand it this way: If you buy too cheap, you may have to buy the same thing of kind again in the future when it breaks, or turns out to be not good enough for your needs.For instance, my recent experiences with that:1.
I bought a high end point and shoot camera before going on vacation.
Took me about 2 days to realize that it still wasn't good enough, and that I couldn't make it better by putting another lens on it, because they're not interchangeable.
Now I have a DSLR and am much happier with the results.
It's a midrange sort so it could be better still, but with a DSLR I have enough flexibility that I almost never happen to be in a situation that a better camera would make something significantly better.
That was a waste of money on the P&amp;S.2.
Some time ago I bought a fairly high end phone... with a T9 keyboard.
It was capable of fairly decent web browsing, and could run applications, but was utter horror to type anything with.
I'd have been much better off with something with a real keyboard.
I could have got that for $50 more.
In hindsight that was a waste.
Now I have a N900 and couldn't be happier.3.
I tried VIA's MiniITX boards as a way of having a "cheap server".
Turned out to be anything but, because it was horribly unreliable, so after months of fighting with it, it now sits in the closet.So, overall, buying too cheap often turns out expensive, when the cheap product isn't good enough and has to be replaced.
Then you end up buying two things instead of one.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31054222</id>
	<title>Re:I found the 'defective by design' aspect</title>
	<author>nametaken</author>
	<datestamp>1265576100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't have to undergo additional FCC testing as well?  If so I'd guess this has an impact on both the time to market and development costs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't have to undergo additional FCC testing as well ?
If so I 'd guess this has an impact on both the time to market and development costs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't have to undergo additional FCC testing as well?
If so I'd guess this has an impact on both the time to market and development costs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049872</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>ari\_j</author>
	<datestamp>1265471520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Married men understand the principal better.  They are constantly saving money, thanks to their wives buying things they don't need and won't wear at 20\% off.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Married men understand the principal better .
They are constantly saving money , thanks to their wives buying things they do n't need and wo n't wear at 20 \ % off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Married men understand the principal better.
They are constantly saving money, thanks to their wives buying things they don't need and won't wear at 20\% off.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049844</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050150</id>
	<title>Re:I found the 'defective by design' aspect</title>
	<author>marcmerlin</author>
	<datestamp>1265474700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>since you're not a radio and hardware engineer, I guess it's not obvious to you that putting antennas and electronics for different frequencies does cost board space. It's not impossible but it's hard on a small phone and definitely more money.<br>Yes, I'd also love a phone that does it all, but they aren't exactly common. It's not just HTC, it's pretty much everyone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>since you 're not a radio and hardware engineer , I guess it 's not obvious to you that putting antennas and electronics for different frequencies does cost board space .
It 's not impossible but it 's hard on a small phone and definitely more money.Yes , I 'd also love a phone that does it all , but they are n't exactly common .
It 's not just HTC , it 's pretty much everyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>since you're not a radio and hardware engineer, I guess it's not obvious to you that putting antennas and electronics for different frequencies does cost board space.
It's not impossible but it's hard on a small phone and definitely more money.Yes, I'd also love a phone that does it all, but they aren't exactly common.
It's not just HTC, it's pretty much everyone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31052652</id>
	<title>Don't forget taxes and fees</title>
	<author>mikedep333</author>
	<datestamp>1265561160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is important: Don't forget that along with that $20/month extra that you pay with a subsidized version, you also have to pay roughly $4 more  in taxes and fees. Most Americans won't have to do anything like that with the Nexus One itself.<br>
Do the Math: $529 retail price - (24 months * (20 dollars/mmonth + $4 taxes&amp;feees/month))<br>
The end result is that <b> the unlocked Nexus One is a steal at -47 USD!</b> <br>
BTW, you can do something similar with AT&amp;T smartphones. I bought an unlocked Nokia 5800 XpressMusic for $270 (you can get it for a lot less often now.) I only have to pay $15/month (before taxes and fees) on a data plan, rather than $30 like all phones purchased from AT&amp;T require (presumably when the phone is purchased at a subsidized price.)<br>
So the result is that instead of paying roughly $100 for my phone, I pay $270 retail price - (24 months * (15 dollars/month + $3 taxes&amp;fees/month)). This equals -162 USD!</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is important : Do n't forget that along with that $ 20/month extra that you pay with a subsidized version , you also have to pay roughly $ 4 more in taxes and fees .
Most Americans wo n't have to do anything like that with the Nexus One itself .
Do the Math : $ 529 retail price - ( 24 months * ( 20 dollars/mmonth + $ 4 taxes&amp;feees/month ) ) The end result is that the unlocked Nexus One is a steal at -47 USD !
BTW , you can do something similar with AT&amp;T smartphones .
I bought an unlocked Nokia 5800 XpressMusic for $ 270 ( you can get it for a lot less often now .
) I only have to pay $ 15/month ( before taxes and fees ) on a data plan , rather than $ 30 like all phones purchased from AT&amp;T require ( presumably when the phone is purchased at a subsidized price .
) So the result is that instead of paying roughly $ 100 for my phone , I pay $ 270 retail price - ( 24 months * ( 15 dollars/month + $ 3 taxes&amp;fees/month ) ) .
This equals -162 USD !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is important: Don't forget that along with that $20/month extra that you pay with a subsidized version, you also have to pay roughly $4 more  in taxes and fees.
Most Americans won't have to do anything like that with the Nexus One itself.
Do the Math: $529 retail price - (24 months * (20 dollars/mmonth + $4 taxes&amp;feees/month))
The end result is that  the unlocked Nexus One is a steal at -47 USD!
BTW, you can do something similar with AT&amp;T smartphones.
I bought an unlocked Nokia 5800 XpressMusic for $270 (you can get it for a lot less often now.
) I only have to pay $15/month (before taxes and fees) on a data plan, rather than $30 like all phones purchased from AT&amp;T require (presumably when the phone is purchased at a subsidized price.
)
So the result is that instead of paying roughly $100 for my phone, I pay $270 retail price - (24 months * (15 dollars/month + $3 taxes&amp;fees/month)).
This equals -162 USD!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049886</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265471760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have no clue in what country you life but I assure that everything in the Benelux + Germany is locked. You get the phone for 'free' and a laptop or in some cases even a car.... but the phone is locked and your contract too. Almost nobody buys a phone here (unlocked for the full price) and then goes to see which provider is best. Wouldn't make sense either, all the providers have equal coverage and price difference's are small.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have no clue in what country you life but I assure that everything in the Benelux + Germany is locked .
You get the phone for 'free ' and a laptop or in some cases even a car.... but the phone is locked and your contract too .
Almost nobody buys a phone here ( unlocked for the full price ) and then goes to see which provider is best .
Would n't make sense either , all the providers have equal coverage and price difference 's are small .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have no clue in what country you life but I assure that everything in the Benelux + Germany is locked.
You get the phone for 'free' and a laptop or in some cases even a car.... but the phone is locked and your contract too.
Almost nobody buys a phone here (unlocked for the full price) and then goes to see which provider is best.
Wouldn't make sense either, all the providers have equal coverage and price difference's are small.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31052326</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god Oh God OH GOD!</title>
	<author>newdsfornerds</author>
	<datestamp>1265557440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're suggesting that women seek money from a relationship. Actually, women seek security* in a relationship.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
* Security is a fancy word for "money."</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're suggesting that women seek money from a relationship .
Actually , women seek security * in a relationship .
* Security is a fancy word for " money .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're suggesting that women seek money from a relationship.
Actually, women seek security* in a relationship.
* Security is a fancy word for "money.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050232</id>
	<title>Re:How does this work?</title>
	<author>yincrash</author>
	<datestamp>1265475840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most of your post doesn't make sense.
You can buy the phone full price and get on an unsubsidized plan for about $65 a month. $20 * 24 months = $480. full price of phone - $480  $180 (subsidized price) with contract</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of your post does n't make sense .
You can buy the phone full price and get on an unsubsidized plan for about $ 65 a month .
$ 20 * 24 months = $ 480 .
full price of phone - $ 480 $ 180 ( subsidized price ) with contract</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of your post doesn't make sense.
You can buy the phone full price and get on an unsubsidized plan for about $65 a month.
$20 * 24 months = $480.
full price of phone - $480  $180 (subsidized price) with contract</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31063468</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265659860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You do realize that moving from the US to the UK and claiming that you're doing it because the US has no leadership makes you look like a complete idiot? Disregarding the utter lack of civil liberties in the UK, Brown is atrocious.</p><p>But hey, don't let that stop you. Have fun you pretentious twat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do realize that moving from the US to the UK and claiming that you 're doing it because the US has no leadership makes you look like a complete idiot ?
Disregarding the utter lack of civil liberties in the UK , Brown is atrocious.But hey , do n't let that stop you .
Have fun you pretentious twat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do realize that moving from the US to the UK and claiming that you're doing it because the US has no leadership makes you look like a complete idiot?
Disregarding the utter lack of civil liberties in the UK, Brown is atrocious.But hey, don't let that stop you.
Have fun you pretentious twat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050422</id>
	<title>Innumeracy !</title>
	<author>redelm</author>
	<datestamp>1265478600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... even here at SlashDot, society is infested with the innumerates!  Arrrrh!</p><p>A DISCOUNT cannot be applied to a purchase price until/unless  it is clear of other conditions.  In this case, a 24 month service "contract".</p><p>The $20/mo can only be considered if the contract price is fully competitive with the offer you would otherwise take.  Personally, I consider $60-75/mo utterly outrageous.  The $20/mo makes them slightly less outrageous, but still usurous.  I have a nice grandfathered sweet deal at $2-4/mo, but more than $40 is just plain extortion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... even here at SlashDot , society is infested with the innumerates !
Arrrrh ! A DISCOUNT can not be applied to a purchase price until/unless it is clear of other conditions .
In this case , a 24 month service " contract " .The $ 20/mo can only be considered if the contract price is fully competitive with the offer you would otherwise take .
Personally , I consider $ 60-75/mo utterly outrageous .
The $ 20/mo makes them slightly less outrageous , but still usurous .
I have a nice grandfathered sweet deal at $ 2-4/mo , but more than $ 40 is just plain extortion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... even here at SlashDot, society is infested with the innumerates!
Arrrrh!A DISCOUNT cannot be applied to a purchase price until/unless  it is clear of other conditions.
In this case, a 24 month service "contract".The $20/mo can only be considered if the contract price is fully competitive with the offer you would otherwise take.
Personally, I consider $60-75/mo utterly outrageous.
The $20/mo makes them slightly less outrageous, but still usurous.
I have a nice grandfathered sweet deal at $2-4/mo, but more than $40 is just plain extortion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051726</id>
	<title>Re:Obviously this person is not financially litera</title>
	<author>amiga3D</author>
	<datestamp>1265547900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The real savings is if you decide for some reason to cancel your service and go elsewhere.  The draconian charges for cancellation make the idea of just buying the phone up front the only option I'd consider.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The real savings is if you decide for some reason to cancel your service and go elsewhere .
The draconian charges for cancellation make the idea of just buying the phone up front the only option I 'd consider .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real savings is if you decide for some reason to cancel your service and go elsewhere.
The draconian charges for cancellation make the idea of just buying the phone up front the only option I'd consider.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31053864</id>
	<title>Re:Obviously this person is not financially litera</title>
	<author>slyborg</author>
	<datestamp>1265573160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So it's basically a 5\% savings, which is hardly worth a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. article. Also, given Google's model, people neglect the fact that the 5\% difference is still worthwhile to T-Mo to keep subscribers off AT&amp;T. Although since Google cleverly made the phone only capable of 3G on T-Mo, it's effectively locked to them (in the US).</p><p>I'm really baffled at all of the noise about the Nexus, it's got a couple of nice features, but nothing you would call revolutionary, it's priced the same, and has the same kinds of usage restrictions. It's not surprising that its sales have been much lower than iPhone or Droid in the same immediate post-launch period. The real question is what Google actually thought it was trying to achieve here, apart from practicing selling and supporting a mobile phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So it 's basically a 5 \ % savings , which is hardly worth a / .
article. Also , given Google 's model , people neglect the fact that the 5 \ % difference is still worthwhile to T-Mo to keep subscribers off AT&amp;T .
Although since Google cleverly made the phone only capable of 3G on T-Mo , it 's effectively locked to them ( in the US ) .I 'm really baffled at all of the noise about the Nexus , it 's got a couple of nice features , but nothing you would call revolutionary , it 's priced the same , and has the same kinds of usage restrictions .
It 's not surprising that its sales have been much lower than iPhone or Droid in the same immediate post-launch period .
The real question is what Google actually thought it was trying to achieve here , apart from practicing selling and supporting a mobile phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So it's basically a 5\% savings, which is hardly worth a /.
article. Also, given Google's model, people neglect the fact that the 5\% difference is still worthwhile to T-Mo to keep subscribers off AT&amp;T.
Although since Google cleverly made the phone only capable of 3G on T-Mo, it's effectively locked to them (in the US).I'm really baffled at all of the noise about the Nexus, it's got a couple of nice features, but nothing you would call revolutionary, it's priced the same, and has the same kinds of usage restrictions.
It's not surprising that its sales have been much lower than iPhone or Droid in the same immediate post-launch period.
The real question is what Google actually thought it was trying to achieve here, apart from practicing selling and supporting a mobile phone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31053878</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1265573340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Married men understand the <a href="http://www.google.com/dictionary?langpair=en\%7Cen&amp;q=principal" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">principal</a> [google.com] better. They are constantly saving money, thanks to their wives buying things they don't need and won't wear at 20\% off.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>I don't get it; what does saving 20\% have to do with running a school?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Married men understand the principal [ google.com ] better .
They are constantly saving money , thanks to their wives buying things they do n't need and wo n't wear at 20 \ % off .
I do n't get it ; what does saving 20 \ % have to do with running a school ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Married men understand the principal [google.com] better.
They are constantly saving money, thanks to their wives buying things they don't need and won't wear at 20\% off.
I don't get it; what does saving 20\% have to do with running a school?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31052150</id>
	<title>Still a bad thing.</title>
	<author>knghtrider</author>
	<datestamp>1265555400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The author fails to mention than T-Mobile has one of the worst networks in the country, Add to that the fact that this phone (like most smartphones) have really crappy battery life--especially if you get a lot of e-mail on it like I do and use a bluetooth headset. I have to charge my BB at least twice a day; and my boss has an iPhone that he charges 2-3 times a day. The Droid phones in use in the company are just as bad. My laptop battery actually outlasts my phone. That's just wrong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The author fails to mention than T-Mobile has one of the worst networks in the country , Add to that the fact that this phone ( like most smartphones ) have really crappy battery life--especially if you get a lot of e-mail on it like I do and use a bluetooth headset .
I have to charge my BB at least twice a day ; and my boss has an iPhone that he charges 2-3 times a day .
The Droid phones in use in the company are just as bad .
My laptop battery actually outlasts my phone .
That 's just wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The author fails to mention than T-Mobile has one of the worst networks in the country, Add to that the fact that this phone (like most smartphones) have really crappy battery life--especially if you get a lot of e-mail on it like I do and use a bluetooth headset.
I have to charge my BB at least twice a day; and my boss has an iPhone that he charges 2-3 times a day.
The Droid phones in use in the company are just as bad.
My laptop battery actually outlasts my phone.
That's just wrong.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050234</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>joocemann</author>
	<datestamp>1265475900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I have no clue in what country you life but I assure that everything in the Benelux + Germany is locked. You get the phone for 'free' and a laptop or in some cases even a car.... but the phone is locked and your contract too. Almost nobody buys a phone here (unlocked for the full price) and then goes to see which provider is best. Wouldn't make sense either, all the providers have equal coverage and price difference's are small.</p></div><p>Things must have changed since 2001 when I (and most soldiers I knew) bought cell phones at full price and then got SIM cards for D2, etc.</p><p>I moved to italy and it was the same deal.  I really liked the european cell-phone system... I miss it...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have no clue in what country you life but I assure that everything in the Benelux + Germany is locked .
You get the phone for 'free ' and a laptop or in some cases even a car.... but the phone is locked and your contract too .
Almost nobody buys a phone here ( unlocked for the full price ) and then goes to see which provider is best .
Would n't make sense either , all the providers have equal coverage and price difference 's are small.Things must have changed since 2001 when I ( and most soldiers I knew ) bought cell phones at full price and then got SIM cards for D2 , etc.I moved to italy and it was the same deal .
I really liked the european cell-phone system... I miss it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have no clue in what country you life but I assure that everything in the Benelux + Germany is locked.
You get the phone for 'free' and a laptop or in some cases even a car.... but the phone is locked and your contract too.
Almost nobody buys a phone here (unlocked for the full price) and then goes to see which provider is best.
Wouldn't make sense either, all the providers have equal coverage and price difference's are small.Things must have changed since 2001 when I (and most soldiers I knew) bought cell phones at full price and then got SIM cards for D2, etc.I moved to italy and it was the same deal.
I really liked the european cell-phone system... I miss it...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049886</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051814</id>
	<title>Europe has choice of model</title>
	<author>iampiti</author>
	<datestamp>1265549220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>As other european guys have said things here over Europe work a little differently. In Spain al least things are more or like like this:<ul>
<li> You can "buy" subsidized phones from the cellphone companies at very small prices but, of course, they are locked to the carrier (neverthless they can be unlocked at many places cheaply) and you have pretty high rates.  This is similar to the situation a the US.
</li><li> You can buy the phones completely unlocked. You do have to pay the phone full price upfront but:
<ul>
<li>Since there's one standard that is used everywhere in Europe you can use your phone with every company just swap the SIM card.</li><li>Many carriers offer cheaper prices if you bring your own phone.</li></ul></li></ul><p>
So you really have a choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As other european guys have said things here over Europe work a little differently .
In Spain al least things are more or like like this : You can " buy " subsidized phones from the cellphone companies at very small prices but , of course , they are locked to the carrier ( neverthless they can be unlocked at many places cheaply ) and you have pretty high rates .
This is similar to the situation a the US .
You can buy the phones completely unlocked .
You do have to pay the phone full price upfront but : Since there 's one standard that is used everywhere in Europe you can use your phone with every company just swap the SIM card.Many carriers offer cheaper prices if you bring your own phone .
So you really have a choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As other european guys have said things here over Europe work a little differently.
In Spain al least things are more or like like this:
 You can "buy" subsidized phones from the cellphone companies at very small prices but, of course, they are locked to the carrier (neverthless they can be unlocked at many places cheaply) and you have pretty high rates.
This is similar to the situation a the US.
You can buy the phones completely unlocked.
You do have to pay the phone full price upfront but:

Since there's one standard that is used everywhere in Europe you can use your phone with every company just swap the SIM card.Many carriers offer cheaper prices if you bring your own phone.
So you really have a choice.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050944</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>CrashandDie</author>
	<datestamp>1265575140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Married men understand the principal better.</p></div><p>Indeed, that's why I've stopped asking my wife to come to parent-teacher conferences.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Married men understand the principal better.Indeed , that 's why I 've stopped asking my wife to come to parent-teacher conferences .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Married men understand the principal better.Indeed, that's why I've stopped asking my wife to come to parent-teacher conferences.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049872</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050126</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265474400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Married men understand the principal better.</p></div><p>To be fair, though, bachelors understand the interest better.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Married men understand the principal better.To be fair , though , bachelors understand the interest better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Married men understand the principal better.To be fair, though, bachelors understand the interest better.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049872</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050640</id>
	<title>Re:I found the 'defective by design' aspect</title>
	<author>Nightspirit</author>
	<datestamp>1265481360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Especially if you look at the HTC Imagio on Verizon it is a worldwide phone that can use both CDMA and GSM bands. The GSM bands are locked in the US but if you call verizon and tell them you are going traveling you can get an unlock code so you can use it with pretty much any provider. So the only reason the nexus is locked down is insistence from T-mobile or Google.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Especially if you look at the HTC Imagio on Verizon it is a worldwide phone that can use both CDMA and GSM bands .
The GSM bands are locked in the US but if you call verizon and tell them you are going traveling you can get an unlock code so you can use it with pretty much any provider .
So the only reason the nexus is locked down is insistence from T-mobile or Google .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Especially if you look at the HTC Imagio on Verizon it is a worldwide phone that can use both CDMA and GSM bands.
The GSM bands are locked in the US but if you call verizon and tell them you are going traveling you can get an unlock code so you can use it with pretty much any provider.
So the only reason the nexus is locked down is insistence from T-mobile or Google.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049942</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050076</id>
	<title>Re:Obviously this person is not financially litera</title>
	<author>swimin</author>
	<datestamp>1265473920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you have the Unsubsidized and Subsidized prices backwards. The subsidized price is $99.99 and the unsubsidized price is $79.99. $20 discount for not getting the initial phone purchase subsidized.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you have the Unsubsidized and Subsidized prices backwards .
The subsidized price is $ 99.99 and the unsubsidized price is $ 79.99 .
$ 20 discount for not getting the initial phone purchase subsidized .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you have the Unsubsidized and Subsidized prices backwards.
The subsidized price is $99.99 and the unsubsidized price is $79.99.
$20 discount for not getting the initial phone purchase subsidized.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050008</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051686</id>
	<title>Gah! What twisted logic!</title>
	<author>Jane Q. Public</author>
	<datestamp>1265547120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Now, that $480 savings is $130 more than the $350 savings you get by selecting the $179 subsidized purchase option.
<br> <br>
So, when you think about it, the $20/mo discount to unsubsidized phone buyers is effectively a rebate against the up front cost of the phone.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Good Grid! Does this guy actually think I am going to try to follow this spaghetti of weird math? "If you think about it, subtracting THIS amount if you get THAT option is almost like you could think of it as though you were saving THIS much beyond the discount with THIS OTHER option..."
<br> <br>
Give me an effin' break!
<br> <br>
Here is a hint for the author of TFA: when comparing costs, you don't need to subract ANYTHING. All you do is add.
<br> <br>
Show me a simple chart:
<br> <br>
Phone A with plan A costs THIS MUCH over two years. (Upfront cost + monthly charge over 2 years = total. No need to get any fancier.)
<br> <br>
Phone B with plan A costs THIS MUCH over two years.
<br> <br>
Phone A with plan B costs THIS MUCH over two years.
<br> <br>
Phone B with plan B costs THIS MUCH over two years.
<br> <br>
And so on. That's all it takes. I don't need to subract anything from anything and I don't need to "think of it as though" I were saving anything. I can just look at the damned chart and see what everything costs.
<br> <br>
Jesus. Is this guy some kind of professional writer? Can I have his job?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now , that $ 480 savings is $ 130 more than the $ 350 savings you get by selecting the $ 179 subsidized purchase option .
So , when you think about it , the $ 20/mo discount to unsubsidized phone buyers is effectively a rebate against the up front cost of the phone .
Good Grid !
Does this guy actually think I am going to try to follow this spaghetti of weird math ?
" If you think about it , subtracting THIS amount if you get THAT option is almost like you could think of it as though you were saving THIS much beyond the discount with THIS OTHER option... " Give me an effin ' break !
Here is a hint for the author of TFA : when comparing costs , you do n't need to subract ANYTHING .
All you do is add .
Show me a simple chart : Phone A with plan A costs THIS MUCH over two years .
( Upfront cost + monthly charge over 2 years = total .
No need to get any fancier .
) Phone B with plan A costs THIS MUCH over two years .
Phone A with plan B costs THIS MUCH over two years .
Phone B with plan B costs THIS MUCH over two years .
And so on .
That 's all it takes .
I do n't need to subract anything from anything and I do n't need to " think of it as though " I were saving anything .
I can just look at the damned chart and see what everything costs .
Jesus. Is this guy some kind of professional writer ?
Can I have his job ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now, that $480 savings is $130 more than the $350 savings you get by selecting the $179 subsidized purchase option.
So, when you think about it, the $20/mo discount to unsubsidized phone buyers is effectively a rebate against the up front cost of the phone.
Good Grid!
Does this guy actually think I am going to try to follow this spaghetti of weird math?
"If you think about it, subtracting THIS amount if you get THAT option is almost like you could think of it as though you were saving THIS much beyond the discount with THIS OTHER option..."
 
Give me an effin' break!
Here is a hint for the author of TFA: when comparing costs, you don't need to subract ANYTHING.
All you do is add.
Show me a simple chart:
 
Phone A with plan A costs THIS MUCH over two years.
(Upfront cost + monthly charge over 2 years = total.
No need to get any fancier.
)
 
Phone B with plan A costs THIS MUCH over two years.
Phone A with plan B costs THIS MUCH over two years.
Phone B with plan B costs THIS MUCH over two years.
And so on.
That's all it takes.
I don't need to subract anything from anything and I don't need to "think of it as though" I were saving anything.
I can just look at the damned chart and see what everything costs.
Jesus. Is this guy some kind of professional writer?
Can I have his job?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31052650</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>wfeick</author>
	<datestamp>1265561160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ah, but that's only after two years. If you don't upgrade, the subsidized phone plan ends up being way worse after 3 or even 4 years. That's the big reason the phone companies want you to go for the subsidized plan - they get to ream you after the 2 years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , but that 's only after two years .
If you do n't upgrade , the subsidized phone plan ends up being way worse after 3 or even 4 years .
That 's the big reason the phone companies want you to go for the subsidized plan - they get to ream you after the 2 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, but that's only after two years.
If you don't upgrade, the subsidized phone plan ends up being way worse after 3 or even 4 years.
That's the big reason the phone companies want you to go for the subsidized plan - they get to ream you after the 2 years.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049888</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051498</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>Teun</author>
	<datestamp>1265543760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>When you buy a phone including a plan it'll no doubt be locked, but it's real easy to get the same phone without a plan.<p>
Especially in the larger cities it's easy to find a small shop that for a small fee will unlock just about any phone and there's nothing illegal about it.</p><p>
Because I feel it's giving me more software freedom than a Droid I'm looking at a Nokia N900 right now, not as a phone but purely as a mini computer with the option of VOIP, it's all over the place, unlocked and for about &euro;550.00.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you buy a phone including a plan it 'll no doubt be locked , but it 's real easy to get the same phone without a plan .
Especially in the larger cities it 's easy to find a small shop that for a small fee will unlock just about any phone and there 's nothing illegal about it .
Because I feel it 's giving me more software freedom than a Droid I 'm looking at a Nokia N900 right now , not as a phone but purely as a mini computer with the option of VOIP , it 's all over the place , unlocked and for about    550.00 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you buy a phone including a plan it'll no doubt be locked, but it's real easy to get the same phone without a plan.
Especially in the larger cities it's easy to find a small shop that for a small fee will unlock just about any phone and there's nothing illegal about it.
Because I feel it's giving me more software freedom than a Droid I'm looking at a Nokia N900 right now, not as a phone but purely as a mini computer with the option of VOIP, it's all over the place, unlocked and for about €550.00.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049886</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049942</id>
	<title>I found the 'defective by design' aspect</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265472480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>the <a href="http://www.gadgetopolis.com/posts/7315" title="gadgetopolis.com" rel="nofollow">most interesting:</a> [gadgetopolis.com]<blockquote><div><p>So, Google/HTC could have very easily made this one phone model compatible with not only T-Mobile and AT&amp;T, but pretty much any 3GSM network worldwide if they only included the right combination of power amplifiers. According to <a href="http://www.isuppli.com/News/Pages/Google-Nexus-One-Carries-$17415-Materials-Cost-iSuppli-Teardown-Reveals.aspx" title="isuppli.com" rel="nofollow">iSuppli&rsquo;s teardown of the Nexus One,</a> [isuppli.com] the four small power amplifiers that are in the Nexus One only account for $2.20 in manufacturing costs. $2.20! How much more could a different combination of power amplifiers have cost? Maybe another $2 (at most)?!</p><p>It just sounds like a <b>deliberate decision</b> to aid the wireless carrier oligopoly. Given that we&rsquo;ve seen HTC&rsquo;s FCC documents to introduce an AT&amp;T oriented version of the Nexus One, you&rsquo;d think that overall engineering, manufacturing, warehousing, and sales expenses would be lowered enough by offering a single model that could replace two.</p><p>The deliberate lack of network compatibility is simply bewildering.</p></div> </blockquote><p>What was that about not being evil again?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the most interesting : [ gadgetopolis.com ] So , Google/HTC could have very easily made this one phone model compatible with not only T-Mobile and AT&amp;T , but pretty much any 3GSM network worldwide if they only included the right combination of power amplifiers .
According to iSuppli    s teardown of the Nexus One , [ isuppli.com ] the four small power amplifiers that are in the Nexus One only account for $ 2.20 in manufacturing costs .
$ 2.20 ! How much more could a different combination of power amplifiers have cost ?
Maybe another $ 2 ( at most ) ?
! It just sounds like a deliberate decision to aid the wireless carrier oligopoly .
Given that we    ve seen HTC    s FCC documents to introduce an AT&amp;T oriented version of the Nexus One , you    d think that overall engineering , manufacturing , warehousing , and sales expenses would be lowered enough by offering a single model that could replace two.The deliberate lack of network compatibility is simply bewildering .
What was that about not being evil again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the most interesting: [gadgetopolis.com]So, Google/HTC could have very easily made this one phone model compatible with not only T-Mobile and AT&amp;T, but pretty much any 3GSM network worldwide if they only included the right combination of power amplifiers.
According to iSuppli’s teardown of the Nexus One, [isuppli.com] the four small power amplifiers that are in the Nexus One only account for $2.20 in manufacturing costs.
$2.20! How much more could a different combination of power amplifiers have cost?
Maybe another $2 (at most)?
!It just sounds like a deliberate decision to aid the wireless carrier oligopoly.
Given that we’ve seen HTC’s FCC documents to introduce an AT&amp;T oriented version of the Nexus One, you’d think that overall engineering, manufacturing, warehousing, and sales expenses would be lowered enough by offering a single model that could replace two.The deliberate lack of network compatibility is simply bewildering.
What was that about not being evil again?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31057516</id>
	<title>Re:Not $49, but $2449</title>
	<author>nchurch</author>
	<datestamp>1265560320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The unlimited plan is $60/month for the unlocked/no-contract plan with T-Mobile, which you can only get if you buy an unlocked phone ($529). If you buy the subsidized version, the unlimited plan is $80/month.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The unlimited plan is $ 60/month for the unlocked/no-contract plan with T-Mobile , which you can only get if you buy an unlocked phone ( $ 529 ) .
If you buy the subsidized version , the unlimited plan is $ 80/month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The unlimited plan is $60/month for the unlocked/no-contract plan with T-Mobile, which you can only get if you buy an unlocked phone ($529).
If you buy the subsidized version, the unlimited plan is $80/month.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051134</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050430</id>
	<title>iPhone FTW</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265478780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Logic says the iPhone is the better device and the real bargain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Logic says the iPhone is the better device and the real bargain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Logic says the iPhone is the better device and the real bargain.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31057598</id>
	<title>Re:So paying now is an advantage over paying later</title>
	<author>seamonkey420</author>
	<datestamp>1265560980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>you can have your iTampon and $15 data plan.  does it fit in your pocket? to me thats a huge factor. i've had several netbooks, ultraportable laptops and they still can't compete in portability with a good smartphone. just my usual<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.02.
<p>
i get sick of hearing all of this apple fanboy crap on how the nexus one isn't that great. let me ask you this. have you used one?? yea, shut the fuck up. i do own an iPhone 3G and a 2G, macbook air a while back.
</p><p>
i'll take my open Android nexus one anyday.  the only way the iPhone competed w/my nexus was when i jaibroke it.  unjailbroken, i didn't have any weather widgets or custom status bar notifications. i couldn't use it on any other carrier.  i was a slave to apple and at&amp;t.
</p><p>
did at&amp;t finally let skype work on the iPhone over 3G?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/sarcasm</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you can have your iTampon and $ 15 data plan .
does it fit in your pocket ?
to me thats a huge factor .
i 've had several netbooks , ultraportable laptops and they still ca n't compete in portability with a good smartphone .
just my usual .02 . i get sick of hearing all of this apple fanboy crap on how the nexus one is n't that great .
let me ask you this .
have you used one ? ?
yea , shut the fuck up .
i do own an iPhone 3G and a 2G , macbook air a while back .
i 'll take my open Android nexus one anyday .
the only way the iPhone competed w/my nexus was when i jaibroke it .
unjailbroken , i did n't have any weather widgets or custom status bar notifications .
i could n't use it on any other carrier .
i was a slave to apple and at&amp;t .
did at&amp;t finally let skype work on the iPhone over 3G ?
/sarcasm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you can have your iTampon and $15 data plan.
does it fit in your pocket?
to me thats a huge factor.
i've had several netbooks, ultraportable laptops and they still can't compete in portability with a good smartphone.
just my usual .02.

i get sick of hearing all of this apple fanboy crap on how the nexus one isn't that great.
let me ask you this.
have you used one??
yea, shut the fuck up.
i do own an iPhone 3G and a 2G, macbook air a while back.
i'll take my open Android nexus one anyday.
the only way the iPhone competed w/my nexus was when i jaibroke it.
unjailbroken, i didn't have any weather widgets or custom status bar notifications.
i couldn't use it on any other carrier.
i was a slave to apple and at&amp;t.
did at&amp;t finally let skype work on the iPhone over 3G?
/sarcasm</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051386</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050056</id>
	<title>Re:I found the 'defective by design' aspect</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265473620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In other news, in the real world, adding chips to a design doesn't just cost component + assembly costs.  It also increases the size of the device, and possibly the power consumption (though these can probably be put into a low enough power mode that it doesn't matter).</p><p>Making the device larger and heavier isn't something that's done lightly.  Sure, this would only add a little bit, but *any* individual feature only adds a little bit.  You have to draw a line somewhere.</p><p>That said, I'd like it better if it supported more networks, too...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In other news , in the real world , adding chips to a design does n't just cost component + assembly costs .
It also increases the size of the device , and possibly the power consumption ( though these can probably be put into a low enough power mode that it does n't matter ) .Making the device larger and heavier is n't something that 's done lightly .
Sure , this would only add a little bit , but * any * individual feature only adds a little bit .
You have to draw a line somewhere.That said , I 'd like it better if it supported more networks , too.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other news, in the real world, adding chips to a design doesn't just cost component + assembly costs.
It also increases the size of the device, and possibly the power consumption (though these can probably be put into a low enough power mode that it doesn't matter).Making the device larger and heavier isn't something that's done lightly.
Sure, this would only add a little bit, but *any* individual feature only adds a little bit.
You have to draw a line somewhere.That said, I'd like it better if it supported more networks, too...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049942</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31053794</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265572380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in Belgium, part of the Benelux, and as far as i know, locking a phone is still illegal.  I've never seen a locked phone, at least.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in Belgium , part of the Benelux , and as far as i know , locking a phone is still illegal .
I 've never seen a locked phone , at least .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in Belgium, part of the Benelux, and as far as i know, locking a phone is still illegal.
I've never seen a locked phone, at least.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049886</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31054408</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265534400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The more sensible comparison is: $2,500 &gt;&gt; maximum price I'll ever[*] be willing to pay for a phone.</p><p>[*] hyperinflation when the bailout bubble pops notwithstanding</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The more sensible comparison is : $ 2,500 &gt; &gt; maximum price I 'll ever [ * ] be willing to pay for a phone .
[ * ] hyperinflation when the bailout bubble pops notwithstanding</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The more sensible comparison is: $2,500 &gt;&gt; maximum price I'll ever[*] be willing to pay for a phone.
[*] hyperinflation when the bailout bubble pops notwithstanding</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049888</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31053598</id>
	<title>Re:Obviously this person is not financially litera</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265570340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's more like you took a $529 loan, since you didn't put in any money up front, and paid $130 in interest over two years. I think that works out to something more in the ballpark of 12\% a year.</p><p>Not great but nowhere near as bad as 32.4\%.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's more like you took a $ 529 loan , since you did n't put in any money up front , and paid $ 130 in interest over two years .
I think that works out to something more in the ballpark of 12 \ % a year.Not great but nowhere near as bad as 32.4 \ % .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's more like you took a $529 loan, since you didn't put in any money up front, and paid $130 in interest over two years.
I think that works out to something more in the ballpark of 12\% a year.Not great but nowhere near as bad as 32.4\%.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051046</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050858</id>
	<title>What has this got to do with the Nexus 1?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265485860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It sounds like it would apply to any unlocked phone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It sounds like it would apply to any unlocked phone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It sounds like it would apply to any unlocked phone?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31053160</id>
	<title>Re:So paying now is an advantage over paying later</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265566740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait, are you saying that a device 2-3 times bigger than a cellphone is more expensive for hardware?  Are you saying that miniaturizing devices doesn't cost more?</p><p>Are you also saying that you're going to haul around the iPad as a cellphone?  Shouldn't you be comparing this to say, the iPhone (that's $100-200 more)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , are you saying that a device 2-3 times bigger than a cellphone is more expensive for hardware ?
Are you saying that miniaturizing devices does n't cost more ? Are you also saying that you 're going to haul around the iPad as a cellphone ?
Should n't you be comparing this to say , the iPhone ( that 's $ 100-200 more ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, are you saying that a device 2-3 times bigger than a cellphone is more expensive for hardware?
Are you saying that miniaturizing devices doesn't cost more?Are you also saying that you're going to haul around the iPad as a cellphone?
Shouldn't you be comparing this to say, the iPhone (that's $100-200 more)?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051386</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31069532</id>
	<title>Let me tell you a story</title>
	<author>Arancaytar</author>
	<datestamp>1265748420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm reminded of it anytime I hear how much money you can save by not doing something arbitrarily more expensive:</p><p>There was a man who, having unfortunately left his watch at home, arrived a few minutes late at the bus stop and only just saw the tail lights of the bus as it drove around the corner. He was in good shape and determined to try running after the bus and catching it at the next stop. (This can actually be done, provided the stops are close together, the bus has a string of red lights and traffic is slow.) However, the man failed to catch the bus at the next stop, or the stop after that, but being persistent, ran after the bus the whole way home.</p><p>He realized how stupid (if invigorating) this had been, and was desperate to put a positive spin on what he'd tell his wife. So when he got home, he said: "Guess what honey! I just saved $4 on my car insu^W^W bus ticket by running after the bus on the way home,"</p><p>And she looked at him levelly and then said: "You poor fool, why didn't you run after a taxi? That way you could have saved $20!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm reminded of it anytime I hear how much money you can save by not doing something arbitrarily more expensive : There was a man who , having unfortunately left his watch at home , arrived a few minutes late at the bus stop and only just saw the tail lights of the bus as it drove around the corner .
He was in good shape and determined to try running after the bus and catching it at the next stop .
( This can actually be done , provided the stops are close together , the bus has a string of red lights and traffic is slow .
) However , the man failed to catch the bus at the next stop , or the stop after that , but being persistent , ran after the bus the whole way home.He realized how stupid ( if invigorating ) this had been , and was desperate to put a positive spin on what he 'd tell his wife .
So when he got home , he said : " Guess what honey !
I just saved $ 4 on my car insu ^ W ^ W bus ticket by running after the bus on the way home , " And she looked at him levelly and then said : " You poor fool , why did n't you run after a taxi ?
That way you could have saved $ 20 !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm reminded of it anytime I hear how much money you can save by not doing something arbitrarily more expensive:There was a man who, having unfortunately left his watch at home, arrived a few minutes late at the bus stop and only just saw the tail lights of the bus as it drove around the corner.
He was in good shape and determined to try running after the bus and catching it at the next stop.
(This can actually be done, provided the stops are close together, the bus has a string of red lights and traffic is slow.
) However, the man failed to catch the bus at the next stop, or the stop after that, but being persistent, ran after the bus the whole way home.He realized how stupid (if invigorating) this had been, and was desperate to put a positive spin on what he'd tell his wife.
So when he got home, he said: "Guess what honey!
I just saved $4 on my car insu^W^W bus ticket by running after the bus on the way home,"And she looked at him levelly and then said: "You poor fool, why didn't you run after a taxi?
That way you could have saved $20!
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31052356</id>
	<title>Total Cost of Ownership</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265557800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thankfully sensible people *do* exist.</p><p><a href="http://www.billshrink.com/blog/wp-content/themes/shrinkage/images/graphics/nexus-one-total-cost.jpg" title="billshrink.com" rel="nofollow">Nexus One vs iPhone, Droid &amp; Palm Pre</a> [billshrink.com] </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thankfully sensible people * do * exist.Nexus One vs iPhone , Droid &amp; Palm Pre [ billshrink.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thankfully sensible people *do* exist.Nexus One vs iPhone, Droid &amp; Palm Pre [billshrink.com] </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051686</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31052146</id>
	<title>Re:So paying now is an advantage over paying later</title>
	<author>MogNuts</author>
	<datestamp>1265555400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think we have the innate feeling to not part with more resources that we have to because deep down we know we know we'll get screwed somehow.</p><p>Gotta call you out though:</p><p>Google: $530 + (80 x 24) = $2,450<br>vs.<br>Apple (3GS please, no skewing results with the 3G): $199 + (120 x 24) = $3,079</p><p>By going the Google route, it's $629 over 2 years for unlimited talk/text/web plans. And that's just for 2 years. That's saving $1,258 over 4, and $2,516 over 8 years. So no, paying over contract isn't better. And you get the benefit of leaving anytime without an ETF.</p><p>And Android doesn't suck. Go read a review. For people who actually don't believe the kool-aid and desire a superior phone, Nexus One is it. And what does the IPad have to do with a phone? It has no microphone, and even if it did, have you ever attempted to call somebody with Skype on a cellular data plan? Hint: good luck. The 2 aren't even in the same league.</p><p>Apple douches--"We don't hate Apple, we hate its customers."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think we have the innate feeling to not part with more resources that we have to because deep down we know we know we 'll get screwed somehow.Got ta call you out though : Google : $ 530 + ( 80 x 24 ) = $ 2,450vs.Apple ( 3GS please , no skewing results with the 3G ) : $ 199 + ( 120 x 24 ) = $ 3,079By going the Google route , it 's $ 629 over 2 years for unlimited talk/text/web plans .
And that 's just for 2 years .
That 's saving $ 1,258 over 4 , and $ 2,516 over 8 years .
So no , paying over contract is n't better .
And you get the benefit of leaving anytime without an ETF.And Android does n't suck .
Go read a review .
For people who actually do n't believe the kool-aid and desire a superior phone , Nexus One is it .
And what does the IPad have to do with a phone ?
It has no microphone , and even if it did , have you ever attempted to call somebody with Skype on a cellular data plan ?
Hint : good luck .
The 2 are n't even in the same league.Apple douches-- " We do n't hate Apple , we hate its customers .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think we have the innate feeling to not part with more resources that we have to because deep down we know we know we'll get screwed somehow.Gotta call you out though:Google: $530 + (80 x 24) = $2,450vs.Apple (3GS please, no skewing results with the 3G): $199 + (120 x 24) = $3,079By going the Google route, it's $629 over 2 years for unlimited talk/text/web plans.
And that's just for 2 years.
That's saving $1,258 over 4, and $2,516 over 8 years.
So no, paying over contract isn't better.
And you get the benefit of leaving anytime without an ETF.And Android doesn't suck.
Go read a review.
For people who actually don't believe the kool-aid and desire a superior phone, Nexus One is it.
And what does the IPad have to do with a phone?
It has no microphone, and even if it did, have you ever attempted to call somebody with Skype on a cellular data plan?
Hint: good luck.
The 2 aren't even in the same league.Apple douches--"We don't hate Apple, we hate its customers.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051386</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050462</id>
	<title>Enough of this promotion shit!</title>
	<author>GPLHost-Thomas</author>
	<datestamp>1265479140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Aren't you guys tired of reading all the time the same big-brother phone-add "news" on slashdot? Since when this site started covering a 4 months old price as a news? What exactly do we learn here? Are moderators sold to google? Aren't the adds on google itself enough? If this was mobile phone dot com why not, but I (and I believe, the vast majority of readers here) are reading to learn about new stuffs in the IT world.<br>
I'm getting sick of so much promotion for a device that doesn't deserves it and that is taking so much space and time on the web.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are n't you guys tired of reading all the time the same big-brother phone-add " news " on slashdot ?
Since when this site started covering a 4 months old price as a news ?
What exactly do we learn here ?
Are moderators sold to google ?
Are n't the adds on google itself enough ?
If this was mobile phone dot com why not , but I ( and I believe , the vast majority of readers here ) are reading to learn about new stuffs in the IT world .
I 'm getting sick of so much promotion for a device that does n't deserves it and that is taking so much space and time on the web .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aren't you guys tired of reading all the time the same big-brother phone-add "news" on slashdot?
Since when this site started covering a 4 months old price as a news?
What exactly do we learn here?
Are moderators sold to google?
Aren't the adds on google itself enough?
If this was mobile phone dot com why not, but I (and I believe, the vast majority of readers here) are reading to learn about new stuffs in the IT world.
I'm getting sick of so much promotion for a device that doesn't deserves it and that is taking so much space and time on the web.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31058568</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265571720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a term for that: spaving.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a term for that : spaving .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a term for that: spaving.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049872</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31052718</id>
	<title>Re:So paying now is an advantage over paying later</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265561940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try to figure out why accountants prefer to pay later and see how that doesn't apply to your consumer products purchases.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try to figure out why accountants prefer to pay later and see how that does n't apply to your consumer products purchases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try to figure out why accountants prefer to pay later and see how that doesn't apply to your consumer products purchases.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051386</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31069032</id>
	<title>Re:Obviously this person is not financially litera</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265653320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>shit. at that point I might as well take a loan out with the bank so I can get the best of both worlds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>shit .
at that point I might as well take a loan out with the bank so I can get the best of both worlds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>shit.
at that point I might as well take a loan out with the bank so I can get the best of both worlds.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051046</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31052322</id>
	<title>Re:Obviously this person is not financially litera</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265557440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, according to my quick calculation, it's 17.1\% p.a.</p><p>(sqrt(480/350)-1)*100 | (difference of the payment to the amount loaned, to the 1/nth power of years the loan was given, minus one and times a 100 to give a percentage)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , according to my quick calculation , it 's 17.1 \ % p.a .
( sqrt ( 480/350 ) -1 ) * 100 | ( difference of the payment to the amount loaned , to the 1/nth power of years the loan was given , minus one and times a 100 to give a percentage )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, according to my quick calculation, it's 17.1\% p.a.
(sqrt(480/350)-1)*100 | (difference of the payment to the amount loaned, to the 1/nth power of years the loan was given, minus one and times a 100 to give a percentage)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051046</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31053230</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>harmonise</author>
	<datestamp>1265567220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Yeah, the more sensible comparison is $2,579 for the subsidized phone+contract, and $2,449 for the unsubsidized phone+contract.</p></div></blockquote><p>Actually, since there is no contract on the plan he looked at (Unlimited Even More Plus) the more sensible comparison is $2,579 for the subsidized phone+contract and $609 for the unsubsidized phone+one month of service.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , the more sensible comparison is $ 2,579 for the subsidized phone + contract , and $ 2,449 for the unsubsidized phone + contract.Actually , since there is no contract on the plan he looked at ( Unlimited Even More Plus ) the more sensible comparison is $ 2,579 for the subsidized phone + contract and $ 609 for the unsubsidized phone + one month of service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, the more sensible comparison is $2,579 for the subsidized phone+contract, and $2,449 for the unsubsidized phone+contract.Actually, since there is no contract on the plan he looked at (Unlimited Even More Plus) the more sensible comparison is $2,579 for the subsidized phone+contract and $609 for the unsubsidized phone+one month of service.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049888</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049978</id>
	<title>did anyone actually buy a Nexus One?</title>
	<author>alen</author>
	<datestamp>1265472840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>someone carried a story yesterday that Google has sold only 80,000 so far. 20,000 were sold at launch. even apple sold more of the original iphone 2G.</p><p>fact is that Google has to rely on it's Android partners to advance the platform and they can't be successful in selling their own handset since no one wants to help a competitor.</p><p>they already probably have enough problems with their partners who are competitors coding new features in secret and only releasing the code after the product is released. Android has been fairly successful as a platform, but it's only the cheapest manufacturers making the phones for it. Samsung, HTC and LG who make dozens of new handsets every year, each one sells a few and the marketing departments are overworked trying to find new names for next years models. it's almost like they only company it's hurting is Microsoft. Apple and Blackberry don't seem hurt by Android.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>someone carried a story yesterday that Google has sold only 80,000 so far .
20,000 were sold at launch .
even apple sold more of the original iphone 2G.fact is that Google has to rely on it 's Android partners to advance the platform and they ca n't be successful in selling their own handset since no one wants to help a competitor.they already probably have enough problems with their partners who are competitors coding new features in secret and only releasing the code after the product is released .
Android has been fairly successful as a platform , but it 's only the cheapest manufacturers making the phones for it .
Samsung , HTC and LG who make dozens of new handsets every year , each one sells a few and the marketing departments are overworked trying to find new names for next years models .
it 's almost like they only company it 's hurting is Microsoft .
Apple and Blackberry do n't seem hurt by Android .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>someone carried a story yesterday that Google has sold only 80,000 so far.
20,000 were sold at launch.
even apple sold more of the original iphone 2G.fact is that Google has to rely on it's Android partners to advance the platform and they can't be successful in selling their own handset since no one wants to help a competitor.they already probably have enough problems with their partners who are competitors coding new features in secret and only releasing the code after the product is released.
Android has been fairly successful as a platform, but it's only the cheapest manufacturers making the phones for it.
Samsung, HTC and LG who make dozens of new handsets every year, each one sells a few and the marketing departments are overworked trying to find new names for next years models.
it's almost like they only company it's hurting is Microsoft.
Apple and Blackberry don't seem hurt by Android.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31053366</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>vipz</author>
	<datestamp>1265568480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can always break the contract and pay the ETF. Although I remember reading that Google is charging a separate ETF in addition to the one you'd have to pay T-Mobile.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can always break the contract and pay the ETF .
Although I remember reading that Google is charging a separate ETF in addition to the one you 'd have to pay T-Mobile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can always break the contract and pay the ETF.
Although I remember reading that Google is charging a separate ETF in addition to the one you'd have to pay T-Mobile.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31053230</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31056324</id>
	<title>Please never post anything from Gadgetopolis again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265548560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are obviously idiots.  The blog posts were full of specious logic and breathless fanboyism.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are obviously idiots .
The blog posts were full of specious logic and breathless fanboyism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are obviously idiots.
The blog posts were full of specious logic and breathless fanboyism.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050108</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1265474160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the phone is locked can you use it in a different country without restrictions? Can you buy a SIM in a different country and use that SIM while you are away? If not, there are good reasons to buy an unlocked phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the phone is locked can you use it in a different country without restrictions ?
Can you buy a SIM in a different country and use that SIM while you are away ?
If not , there are good reasons to buy an unlocked phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the phone is locked can you use it in a different country without restrictions?
Can you buy a SIM in a different country and use that SIM while you are away?
If not, there are good reasons to buy an unlocked phone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049886</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31052764</id>
	<title>Re:I found the 'defective by design' aspect</title>
	<author>mjwalshe</author>
	<datestamp>1265562720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>soory its just Googles arogance and spoiling the ship for tuppence of tar short sightedness that is the US mobile industry</htmltext>
<tokenext>soory its just Googles arogance and spoiling the ship for tuppence of tar short sightedness that is the US mobile industry</tokentext>
<sentencetext>soory its just Googles arogance and spoiling the ship for tuppence of tar short sightedness that is the US mobile industry</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050056</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31052588</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>smd75</author>
	<datestamp>1265560500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can unlock a phone here in the US after only a minimum of 40days postpaid plans/60days prepaid on tmobile<br>I know it can be done on ATT, but they dont give any worthwhile information: "AT&amp;T only releases unlock codes to customers under certain instances"</p><p>Since Sprint and Verizon are CDMA you cant really unlock them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can unlock a phone here in the US after only a minimum of 40days postpaid plans/60days prepaid on tmobileI know it can be done on ATT , but they dont give any worthwhile information : " AT&amp;T only releases unlock codes to customers under certain instances " Since Sprint and Verizon are CDMA you cant really unlock them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can unlock a phone here in the US after only a minimum of 40days postpaid plans/60days prepaid on tmobileI know it can be done on ATT, but they dont give any worthwhile information: "AT&amp;T only releases unlock codes to customers under certain instances"Since Sprint and Verizon are CDMA you cant really unlock them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050402</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050142</id>
	<title>Re:did anyone actually buy a Nexus One?</title>
	<author>larry bagina</author>
	<datestamp>1265474580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They've developed a new business model.<br>
<br>
1. depend on partners<br>
2. piss off partners<br>
3. ????</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 've developed a new business model .
1. depend on partners 2. piss off partners 3 .
? ? ? ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They've developed a new business model.
1. depend on partners
2. piss off partners
3.
????</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049978</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31070380</id>
	<title>Re:So paying now is an advantage over paying later</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265718900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"Not only do consumers prefer to pay later"</p></div><p>Sheeps like yourself and retards maybe but since you are making a general consumer statement, citation needed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Not only do consumers prefer to pay later " Sheeps like yourself and retards maybe but since you are making a general consumer statement , citation needed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Not only do consumers prefer to pay later"Sheeps like yourself and retards maybe but since you are making a general consumer statement, citation needed.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051386</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31074910</id>
	<title>Re:I found the 'defective by design' aspect</title>
	<author>Choad Namath</author>
	<datestamp>1265742180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>spoiling the ship for tuppence of tar short sightedness</p></div></blockquote><p>
Are you some sort of bot that just randomly puts words together?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>spoiling the ship for tuppence of tar short sightedness Are you some sort of bot that just randomly puts words together ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>spoiling the ship for tuppence of tar short sightedness
Are you some sort of bot that just randomly puts words together?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31052764</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050096</id>
	<title>Epic Math Fail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265474040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Epic Fail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Epic Fail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Epic Fail.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050722</id>
	<title>Free phone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265482860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So.  Who kicked in the free phone for you to change your mind?  Google or t-mobile?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So .
Who kicked in the free phone for you to change your mind ?
Google or t-mobile ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So.
Who kicked in the free phone for you to change your mind?
Google or t-mobile?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050072</id>
	<title>Re:Obviously this person is not financially litera</title>
	<author>Arker</author>
	<datestamp>1265473860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are they really charging *more* for the same service if you bring your own phone?</p><p>That is utterly insane BS, although about what I would expect from my past dealings with US mobile phone companies. Why in the hell do people put up with that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are they really charging * more * for the same service if you bring your own phone ? That is utterly insane BS , although about what I would expect from my past dealings with US mobile phone companies .
Why in the hell do people put up with that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are they really charging *more* for the same service if you bring your own phone?That is utterly insane BS, although about what I would expect from my past dealings with US mobile phone companies.
Why in the hell do people put up with that?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050008</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31069886</id>
	<title>Re:It's fuzzy math</title>
	<author>Rah'Dick</author>
	<datestamp>1265711340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I totally agree on this: <strong>Buy cheap, buy twice.</strong> </p><p>I've been practicing this for the last couple of years and have spent significantly less money on gadgets and computer stuff than any of my friends. They still wonder how I can afford yet another Xbox 360 game but don't take into account that I don't buy a new mobile phone every 6 months. Related: I also have a phone plan that costs me only 0.04&euro; per minute without termination fee or, in fact, <i>any other fee</i>, apart from actual calls (@ Austrian provider <a href="http://www.bob.at/" title="www.bob.at">bob</a> [www.bob.at]). I have a monthly phone bill of ~10&euro; in total.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I totally agree on this : Buy cheap , buy twice .
I 've been practicing this for the last couple of years and have spent significantly less money on gadgets and computer stuff than any of my friends .
They still wonder how I can afford yet another Xbox 360 game but do n't take into account that I do n't buy a new mobile phone every 6 months .
Related : I also have a phone plan that costs me only 0.04    per minute without termination fee or , in fact , any other fee , apart from actual calls ( @ Austrian provider bob [ www.bob.at ] ) .
I have a monthly phone bill of ~ 10    in total .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I totally agree on this: Buy cheap, buy twice.
I've been practicing this for the last couple of years and have spent significantly less money on gadgets and computer stuff than any of my friends.
They still wonder how I can afford yet another Xbox 360 game but don't take into account that I don't buy a new mobile phone every 6 months.
Related: I also have a phone plan that costs me only 0.04€ per minute without termination fee or, in fact, any other fee, apart from actual calls (@ Austrian provider bob [www.bob.at]).
I have a monthly phone bill of ~10€ in total.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051816</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051294</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>nospam007</author>
	<datestamp>1265540040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I have no clue in what country you life but I assure that everything in the Benelux + Germany is locked."</p><p>I live in Benelux (the lux part) and I had never any locked phone.<br>Actually I bought my unlocked iPhone in Belgium where you could get them before I could get them at home. (locked or unlocked)</p><p>All the phones in the shops have both prices displayed, locked and unlocked.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I have no clue in what country you life but I assure that everything in the Benelux + Germany is locked .
" I live in Benelux ( the lux part ) and I had never any locked phone.Actually I bought my unlocked iPhone in Belgium where you could get them before I could get them at home .
( locked or unlocked ) All the phones in the shops have both prices displayed , locked and unlocked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I have no clue in what country you life but I assure that everything in the Benelux + Germany is locked.
"I live in Benelux (the lux part) and I had never any locked phone.Actually I bought my unlocked iPhone in Belgium where you could get them before I could get them at home.
(locked or unlocked)All the phones in the shops have both prices displayed, locked and unlocked.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049886</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31053948</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>CharlyFoxtrot</author>
	<datestamp>1265574000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I have no clue in what country you life but I assure that everything in the Benelux + Germany is locked.</p></div><p>You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Over here in Belgium selling phones locked was <b>illegal</b> until very recently.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have no clue in what country you life but I assure that everything in the Benelux + Germany is locked.You clearly have no idea what you 're talking about .
Over here in Belgium selling phones locked was illegal until very recently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have no clue in what country you life but I assure that everything in the Benelux + Germany is locked.You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Over here in Belgium selling phones locked was illegal until very recently.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049886</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050112</id>
	<title>Re:Obviously this person is not financially litera</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265474280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you've got the plans backwards.  Tmobile is discounting the unsubsidized plans $20 (basically, you are making up the subsidy in $20 increments over the life of the contract).</p><p>$179 + $99.99 * 24 = $179 + 2399.76 = $2578.76   Subsidized<br>$529 + $79.99 * 24 = $529 + $1919.76 = $2448.76  Unsubsidized</p><p>Difference is $130 in favor of the unsubsidized.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you 've got the plans backwards .
Tmobile is discounting the unsubsidized plans $ 20 ( basically , you are making up the subsidy in $ 20 increments over the life of the contract ) . $ 179 + $ 99.99 * 24 = $ 179 + 2399.76 = $ 2578.76 Subsidized $ 529 + $ 79.99 * 24 = $ 529 + $ 1919.76 = $ 2448.76 UnsubsidizedDifference is $ 130 in favor of the unsubsidized .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you've got the plans backwards.
Tmobile is discounting the unsubsidized plans $20 (basically, you are making up the subsidy in $20 increments over the life of the contract).$179 + $99.99 * 24 = $179 + 2399.76 = $2578.76   Subsidized$529 + $79.99 * 24 = $529 + $1919.76 = $2448.76  UnsubsidizedDifference is $130 in favor of the unsubsidized.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050008</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050852</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265485740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about the UK?  I've given up on the US and am taking a job in London.  Bush bankrupted us, and we're still without leadership.  Like flushing a toilet, the speed picks up towards the bottom.  Short rant over (which is why I'm clicking the anon button).</p><p>Anyway, what's a decent phone provider in the UK that I can use in the EU?   Web access would be nice since new country and all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about the UK ?
I 've given up on the US and am taking a job in London .
Bush bankrupted us , and we 're still without leadership .
Like flushing a toilet , the speed picks up towards the bottom .
Short rant over ( which is why I 'm clicking the anon button ) .Anyway , what 's a decent phone provider in the UK that I can use in the EU ?
Web access would be nice since new country and all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about the UK?
I've given up on the US and am taking a job in London.
Bush bankrupted us, and we're still without leadership.
Like flushing a toilet, the speed picks up towards the bottom.
Short rant over (which is why I'm clicking the anon button).Anyway, what's a decent phone provider in the UK that I can use in the EU?
Web access would be nice since new country and all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049886</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31052922</id>
	<title>Re:I found the 'defective by design' aspect</title>
	<author>JAlexoi</author>
	<datestamp>1265564820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>FYI: HTC Hero also has the same problem. In fact HTC Hero would not even connect to T-Mobile in US.<br>
(In fact, only Dell Mini 3i supports the same 3G bands as the iPhone 850/1900/2100)<br>
Nexus One:<br>
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100 / 1700<br>
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900<br> <br>
HTC Hero:<br>
3G Network  HSDPA 900 / 2100<br>
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900<br> <br>
Motorola MILESTONE:<br>
3G Network  HSDPA 900 / 2100 <br>
2G Network  GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900<br> <br>
Samsung I7500 Galaxy<br>
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100 / 1700<br>
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900</htmltext>
<tokenext>FYI : HTC Hero also has the same problem .
In fact HTC Hero would not even connect to T-Mobile in US .
( In fact , only Dell Mini 3i supports the same 3G bands as the iPhone 850/1900/2100 ) Nexus One : 3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100 / 1700 2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 HTC Hero : 3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100 2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 Motorola MILESTONE : 3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100 2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 Samsung I7500 Galaxy 3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100 / 1700 2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FYI: HTC Hero also has the same problem.
In fact HTC Hero would not even connect to T-Mobile in US.
(In fact, only Dell Mini 3i supports the same 3G bands as the iPhone 850/1900/2100)
Nexus One:
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100 / 1700
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 
HTC Hero:
3G Network  HSDPA 900 / 2100
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 
Motorola MILESTONE:
3G Network  HSDPA 900 / 2100 
2G Network  GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 
Samsung I7500 Galaxy
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100 / 1700
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049942</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31058134</id>
	<title>Can't afford that upfront</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265566200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even if it's cheaper in the long run, I'm working part time, I cannot afford the upfront expense of that. Only way would be to put it on a credit card and pay it off over a few months and hope the interest doesn't add up to what I'm saving. It's a risk I'm not taking right now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if it 's cheaper in the long run , I 'm working part time , I can not afford the upfront expense of that .
Only way would be to put it on a credit card and pay it off over a few months and hope the interest does n't add up to what I 'm saving .
It 's a risk I 'm not taking right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if it's cheaper in the long run, I'm working part time, I cannot afford the upfront expense of that.
Only way would be to put it on a credit card and pay it off over a few months and hope the interest doesn't add up to what I'm saving.
It's a risk I'm not taking right now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051224</id>
	<title>Re:I found the 'defective by design' aspect</title>
	<author>brian.swetland</author>
	<datestamp>1265539080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If it were possible to ship the N1 with the necessary collection of power amps and suitable antenna design *without* impacting the form factor (making the device thicker) to support both AT&amp;T and TMO and the standard european/world GSM/UMTS bands all in one device, we would have shipped it that way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it were possible to ship the N1 with the necessary collection of power amps and suitable antenna design * without * impacting the form factor ( making the device thicker ) to support both AT&amp;T and TMO and the standard european/world GSM/UMTS bands all in one device , we would have shipped it that way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it were possible to ship the N1 with the necessary collection of power amps and suitable antenna design *without* impacting the form factor (making the device thicker) to support both AT&amp;T and TMO and the standard european/world GSM/UMTS bands all in one device, we would have shipped it that way.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049942</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050942</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>findoutmoretoday</author>
	<datestamp>1265575140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>&lt;quote&gt;I have no clue in what country you life but I assure that everything in the Benelux + Germany is locked. &lt;/quote&gt;<br><br>No clue either.&nbsp; Parallel worlds?&nbsp; When I enter a phone shop (and I can find 5 of them in the same street),&nbsp; I only see unlocked phones. And what phone are the people with a prepaid cards using?<br><br></tt></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have no clue in what country you life but I assure that everything in the Benelux + Germany is locked .
No clue either.   Parallel worlds ?   When I enter a phone shop ( and I can find 5 of them in the same street ) ,   I only see unlocked phones .
And what phone are the people with a prepaid cards using ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have no clue in what country you life but I assure that everything in the Benelux + Germany is locked.
No clue either.  Parallel worlds?  When I enter a phone shop (and I can find 5 of them in the same street),  I only see unlocked phones.
And what phone are the people with a prepaid cards using?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049886</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050866</id>
	<title>Re:Enough of this promotion shit!</title>
	<author>steelfood</author>
	<datestamp>1265485920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You must be new here.</p><p>There's a unwritten, unspoken rule that everyday on slashdot, there has to be at a bare minimum:</p><p>1 Microsoft story about how bad it is.<br>1 Google story about how great it is.<br>1 Linux story about how this year will be its year on the desktop.<br>1 Apple story about how lame their newest product is.</p><p>These are the four tenets of Slashdot if you will, the four pillars upon which all else stands. As for T-Mobile, AT&amp;T, Amazon, and everybody else, they're all just along for the ride.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You must be new here.There 's a unwritten , unspoken rule that everyday on slashdot , there has to be at a bare minimum : 1 Microsoft story about how bad it is.1 Google story about how great it is.1 Linux story about how this year will be its year on the desktop.1 Apple story about how lame their newest product is.These are the four tenets of Slashdot if you will , the four pillars upon which all else stands .
As for T-Mobile , AT&amp;T , Amazon , and everybody else , they 're all just along for the ride .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You must be new here.There's a unwritten, unspoken rule that everyday on slashdot, there has to be at a bare minimum:1 Microsoft story about how bad it is.1 Google story about how great it is.1 Linux story about how this year will be its year on the desktop.1 Apple story about how lame their newest product is.These are the four tenets of Slashdot if you will, the four pillars upon which all else stands.
As for T-Mobile, AT&amp;T, Amazon, and everybody else, they're all just along for the ride.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050462</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051136</id>
	<title>So let me get this right...</title>
	<author>91degrees</author>
	<datestamp>1265536380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is he saying that because a subsidised Nexus 1 + contract is $49 more than an unsubsidised Nexus 1 + contract, they're selling the phone for $49?  I think his maths is backwards.  Either that or the phone would be $1 if T-Mobile <i>increased</i> their subsidised contract price by $2 per month.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is he saying that because a subsidised Nexus 1 + contract is $ 49 more than an unsubsidised Nexus 1 + contract , they 're selling the phone for $ 49 ?
I think his maths is backwards .
Either that or the phone would be $ 1 if T-Mobile increased their subsidised contract price by $ 2 per month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is he saying that because a subsidised Nexus 1 + contract is $49 more than an unsubsidised Nexus 1 + contract, they're selling the phone for $49?
I think his maths is backwards.
Either that or the phone would be $1 if T-Mobile increased their subsidised contract price by $2 per month.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051228</id>
	<title>More promotion, please!  Drown me in ads!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265539080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Aren't you guys tired of reading all the time the same big-brother phone-ad "news" on slashdot?</p></div><p>I'm not.</p><p>I'm in fact really happy that there were good discussions about the Nokia N900 phone---otherwise I wouldn't have known about the existence of a smartphone which (supposedly) delivers exactly what I want: a pocket computer I can tinker with.</p><p>Being told that the thing I've been wanting for ten years finally exists is something I'm actually happy about.  Was Nokia involved behind the scenes?  Were they trying to push their product?  Why would I care---I want the product at the price it's offered at.</p><p>Just like the other day where I was shopping for a scarf.  The sales clerk notified me they had socks for sale.  I tried a pair on, liked it, found the price reasonable, and I needed more socks, so I bought some.  Yes, he applied a sales technique on me, and it worked.  So what?  His pitch didn't artificially inflate my need for socks, it told me "you can get what you want, and here's how: [...]".</p><p>And a while back I was looking for some stickers for my Rubik's cube.  One of Google's advertisers had exactly what I wanted, at a price I liked.</p><p>Advertisements aren't that bad.  It's just that 99\% give all the good ones a bad name<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p><p>That is to say: yeah, I see a lot of ads I'd rather be without.  But every once in a while, someone seeks me out wanting to sell me something, and it just so happens that I, before engaging with them, have a desire to buy what I then discover they sell.</p><p>If I like the transaction, why shouldn't I like being brought in contact with the other side of it?</p><p>And hey, if you don't like the headlines, you don't have to read the summary.  And if you don't like the summary, you don't have to read the discussion.  And you never have to read the article (see, I'm not new here).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are n't you guys tired of reading all the time the same big-brother phone-ad " news " on slashdot ? I 'm not.I 'm in fact really happy that there were good discussions about the Nokia N900 phone---otherwise I would n't have known about the existence of a smartphone which ( supposedly ) delivers exactly what I want : a pocket computer I can tinker with.Being told that the thing I 've been wanting for ten years finally exists is something I 'm actually happy about .
Was Nokia involved behind the scenes ?
Were they trying to push their product ?
Why would I care---I want the product at the price it 's offered at.Just like the other day where I was shopping for a scarf .
The sales clerk notified me they had socks for sale .
I tried a pair on , liked it , found the price reasonable , and I needed more socks , so I bought some .
Yes , he applied a sales technique on me , and it worked .
So what ?
His pitch did n't artificially inflate my need for socks , it told me " you can get what you want , and here 's how : [ ... ] " .And a while back I was looking for some stickers for my Rubik 's cube .
One of Google 's advertisers had exactly what I wanted , at a price I liked.Advertisements are n't that bad .
It 's just that 99 \ % give all the good ones a bad name ; - ) That is to say : yeah , I see a lot of ads I 'd rather be without .
But every once in a while , someone seeks me out wanting to sell me something , and it just so happens that I , before engaging with them , have a desire to buy what I then discover they sell.If I like the transaction , why should n't I like being brought in contact with the other side of it ? And hey , if you do n't like the headlines , you do n't have to read the summary .
And if you do n't like the summary , you do n't have to read the discussion .
And you never have to read the article ( see , I 'm not new here ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aren't you guys tired of reading all the time the same big-brother phone-ad "news" on slashdot?I'm not.I'm in fact really happy that there were good discussions about the Nokia N900 phone---otherwise I wouldn't have known about the existence of a smartphone which (supposedly) delivers exactly what I want: a pocket computer I can tinker with.Being told that the thing I've been wanting for ten years finally exists is something I'm actually happy about.
Was Nokia involved behind the scenes?
Were they trying to push their product?
Why would I care---I want the product at the price it's offered at.Just like the other day where I was shopping for a scarf.
The sales clerk notified me they had socks for sale.
I tried a pair on, liked it, found the price reasonable, and I needed more socks, so I bought some.
Yes, he applied a sales technique on me, and it worked.
So what?
His pitch didn't artificially inflate my need for socks, it told me "you can get what you want, and here's how: [...]".And a while back I was looking for some stickers for my Rubik's cube.
One of Google's advertisers had exactly what I wanted, at a price I liked.Advertisements aren't that bad.
It's just that 99\% give all the good ones a bad name ;-)That is to say: yeah, I see a lot of ads I'd rather be without.
But every once in a while, someone seeks me out wanting to sell me something, and it just so happens that I, before engaging with them, have a desire to buy what I then discover they sell.If I like the transaction, why shouldn't I like being brought in contact with the other side of it?And hey, if you don't like the headlines, you don't have to read the summary.
And if you don't like the summary, you don't have to read the discussion.
And you never have to read the article (see, I'm not new here).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050402</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265478300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here in Norway you can easily get both locked and unlocked phones, though pretty much all advertised products are locked. Typically for 1 year, after which unlocking is a phonecall away. Done this myself twice, never any hassle. However, with the exception of the phone I got 4 years ago (locked a single month, at a 150 euro discount), taking the bundled contracts seem to always come out more expensive than getting an unlocked phone and choosing another contract that suites your usage pattern. No idea how the sales-ratio between locked/unlocked phones are.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here in Norway you can easily get both locked and unlocked phones , though pretty much all advertised products are locked .
Typically for 1 year , after which unlocking is a phonecall away .
Done this myself twice , never any hassle .
However , with the exception of the phone I got 4 years ago ( locked a single month , at a 150 euro discount ) , taking the bundled contracts seem to always come out more expensive than getting an unlocked phone and choosing another contract that suites your usage pattern .
No idea how the sales-ratio between locked/unlocked phones are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here in Norway you can easily get both locked and unlocked phones, though pretty much all advertised products are locked.
Typically for 1 year, after which unlocking is a phonecall away.
Done this myself twice, never any hassle.
However, with the exception of the phone I got 4 years ago (locked a single month, at a 150 euro discount), taking the bundled contracts seem to always come out more expensive than getting an unlocked phone and choosing another contract that suites your usage pattern.
No idea how the sales-ratio between locked/unlocked phones are.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050342</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265477460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BS, I am using Vodafone pre-paid cards on an unlocked phone without a contract in Germany...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BS , I am using Vodafone pre-paid cards on an unlocked phone without a contract in Germany.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BS, I am using Vodafone pre-paid cards on an unlocked phone without a contract in Germany...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049886</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051386</id>
	<title>So paying now is an advantage over paying later?</title>
	<author>gig</author>
	<datestamp>1265541960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is bullshit. Not only do consumers prefer to pay later, fucking accountants prefer to pay later. Corporations prefer to pay later.</p><p>Apple tried this with the iPhone, too. The original iPhone was unsubsidized. People HATED it.</p><p>The subsidy is great because it makes it possible to buy an iPhone for $99 instead of a crappy feature phone. The extra $20 per month on the contract is offset by the fact that you're using a smartphone, it pays for itself. You make more sales or get a better job or save time or money compared to when you didn't have a smartphone.</p><p>STOP APOLOGIZING FOR ANDROID. It sucks and it won't get better until the people who use it demand that it get better. Google bought Android in 2005. Where are the results? iPad is going to ship with a $15 data plan and Skype calls, that is what was promised from the Google Phone. And iPad with 3G and 16GB is only $50 more than Nexus One.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is bullshit .
Not only do consumers prefer to pay later , fucking accountants prefer to pay later .
Corporations prefer to pay later.Apple tried this with the iPhone , too .
The original iPhone was unsubsidized .
People HATED it.The subsidy is great because it makes it possible to buy an iPhone for $ 99 instead of a crappy feature phone .
The extra $ 20 per month on the contract is offset by the fact that you 're using a smartphone , it pays for itself .
You make more sales or get a better job or save time or money compared to when you did n't have a smartphone.STOP APOLOGIZING FOR ANDROID .
It sucks and it wo n't get better until the people who use it demand that it get better .
Google bought Android in 2005 .
Where are the results ?
iPad is going to ship with a $ 15 data plan and Skype calls , that is what was promised from the Google Phone .
And iPad with 3G and 16GB is only $ 50 more than Nexus One .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is bullshit.
Not only do consumers prefer to pay later, fucking accountants prefer to pay later.
Corporations prefer to pay later.Apple tried this with the iPhone, too.
The original iPhone was unsubsidized.
People HATED it.The subsidy is great because it makes it possible to buy an iPhone for $99 instead of a crappy feature phone.
The extra $20 per month on the contract is offset by the fact that you're using a smartphone, it pays for itself.
You make more sales or get a better job or save time or money compared to when you didn't have a smartphone.STOP APOLOGIZING FOR ANDROID.
It sucks and it won't get better until the people who use it demand that it get better.
Google bought Android in 2005.
Where are the results?
iPad is going to ship with a $15 data plan and Skype calls, that is what was promised from the Google Phone.
And iPad with 3G and 16GB is only $50 more than Nexus One.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31059478</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265631900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I don't have a contract, I can switch at any time, either because a competitor has a better offer or if the service turns out to be patchy or because I just don't like their customer service. If I'm under contract, they don't have to worry nearly that much because they know I'll remain with them for the 24 months unless their service is contract-breakingly bad (and with all the small print and legalese, they can get away with a lot).</p><p>Sure, they'll lose the customer after the contract's finished, and they may suffer some bad press, but greater fluidity in the customer migration forces the providers to keep on their toes, and that's exactly the way I like my corporations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I do n't have a contract , I can switch at any time , either because a competitor has a better offer or if the service turns out to be patchy or because I just do n't like their customer service .
If I 'm under contract , they do n't have to worry nearly that much because they know I 'll remain with them for the 24 months unless their service is contract-breakingly bad ( and with all the small print and legalese , they can get away with a lot ) .Sure , they 'll lose the customer after the contract 's finished , and they may suffer some bad press , but greater fluidity in the customer migration forces the providers to keep on their toes , and that 's exactly the way I like my corporations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I don't have a contract, I can switch at any time, either because a competitor has a better offer or if the service turns out to be patchy or because I just don't like their customer service.
If I'm under contract, they don't have to worry nearly that much because they know I'll remain with them for the 24 months unless their service is contract-breakingly bad (and with all the small print and legalese, they can get away with a lot).Sure, they'll lose the customer after the contract's finished, and they may suffer some bad press, but greater fluidity in the customer migration forces the providers to keep on their toes, and that's exactly the way I like my corporations.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049886</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31052440</id>
	<title>Re:I found the 'defective by design' aspect</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265558640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would have made the phone thicker, jackass.  Trust me, it was a deliberate decision based on form factor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would have made the phone thicker , jackass .
Trust me , it was a deliberate decision based on form factor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would have made the phone thicker, jackass.
Trust me, it was a deliberate decision based on form factor.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049942</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31053030</id>
	<title>Re:So paying now is an advantage over paying later</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265565720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Apple tried this with the iPhone, too. The original iPhone was unsubsidized. People HATED it.</p></div><p>WRONG.  The original iPhone was subsidized, with Apple essentially pocketing the subsidy instead of passing it on to the consumer.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple tried this with the iPhone , too .
The original iPhone was unsubsidized .
People HATED it.WRONG .
The original iPhone was subsidized , with Apple essentially pocketing the subsidy instead of passing it on to the consumer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple tried this with the iPhone, too.
The original iPhone was unsubsidized.
People HATED it.WRONG.
The original iPhone was subsidized, with Apple essentially pocketing the subsidy instead of passing it on to the consumer.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051386</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31067402</id>
	<title>Another blog post, same conclusion</title>
	<author>thisisauniqueid</author>
	<datestamp>1265635080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I blogged about this with a slightly different way of analyzing price, and came to the same conclusion -- see the following page: <a href="http://lukehutch.wordpress.com/2010/01/05/the-cheap-way-to-pay-for-a-nexus-one-think-tco/" title="wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://lukehutch.wordpress.com/2010/01/05/the-cheap-way-to-pay-for-a-nexus-one-think-tco/</a> [wordpress.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I blogged about this with a slightly different way of analyzing price , and came to the same conclusion -- see the following page : http : //lukehutch.wordpress.com/2010/01/05/the-cheap-way-to-pay-for-a-nexus-one-think-tco/ [ wordpress.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I blogged about this with a slightly different way of analyzing price, and came to the same conclusion -- see the following page: http://lukehutch.wordpress.com/2010/01/05/the-cheap-way-to-pay-for-a-nexus-one-think-tco/ [wordpress.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049844</id>
	<title>Oh god</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1265471220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So, the real cost of an unlimited everything plan is $99.99/mo for subsidized phone buyers. Compare that to the $79.99/mo plan for unsubsidized buyers and that&rsquo;s a $20/mo savings. Over two years, that&rsquo;s a whopping $480 savings.</p><p>So, $529 &ndash; $480 yields a final purchase price of just $49!</p></div><p>Except that the phone is still $529! You're just buying the most expensive package available and think you're saving money, which makes no sense.</p><p>Everything in Europe has been traditionally unlocked and unsubsidized phones. You buy the phone and then you get a subscription from your favorite operator. They have added the subsidized option but almost no one buys his/her phone like that. It's just stupid, which the article writer seems to have "discovered" here.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , the real cost of an unlimited everything plan is $ 99.99/mo for subsidized phone buyers .
Compare that to the $ 79.99/mo plan for unsubsidized buyers and that    s a $ 20/mo savings .
Over two years , that    s a whopping $ 480 savings.So , $ 529    $ 480 yields a final purchase price of just $ 49 ! Except that the phone is still $ 529 !
You 're just buying the most expensive package available and think you 're saving money , which makes no sense.Everything in Europe has been traditionally unlocked and unsubsidized phones .
You buy the phone and then you get a subscription from your favorite operator .
They have added the subsidized option but almost no one buys his/her phone like that .
It 's just stupid , which the article writer seems to have " discovered " here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, the real cost of an unlimited everything plan is $99.99/mo for subsidized phone buyers.
Compare that to the $79.99/mo plan for unsubsidized buyers and that’s a $20/mo savings.
Over two years, that’s a whopping $480 savings.So, $529 – $480 yields a final purchase price of just $49!Except that the phone is still $529!
You're just buying the most expensive package available and think you're saving money, which makes no sense.Everything in Europe has been traditionally unlocked and unsubsidized phones.
You buy the phone and then you get a subscription from your favorite operator.
They have added the subsidized option but almost no one buys his/her phone like that.
It's just stupid, which the article writer seems to have "discovered" here.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31054300</id>
	<title>Re:How does this work?</title>
	<author>dbcad7</author>
	<datestamp>1265533620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>I don't even know why anyone would by a Nexus 1</i> </p><p>
Because the phone costs, and plan costs are just part of the equation. A similar thing could be said for the iPhone, and cell phones in general really. You don't need any of them, and money can be better spent other ways.. but if you want a particular experience, and are willing to pay for it, then you pay for it.. The real benefit of paying up front, is not total cost. The benefit is for people who may or may not decide 6 months or a year or whatever, they they really don't use the phone or data plan enough and want to do something different. Yes the initial cost may be a bit steep to act in such a way, but people do it all the time anyway with early termination fees.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't even know why anyone would by a Nexus 1 Because the phone costs , and plan costs are just part of the equation .
A similar thing could be said for the iPhone , and cell phones in general really .
You do n't need any of them , and money can be better spent other ways.. but if you want a particular experience , and are willing to pay for it , then you pay for it.. The real benefit of paying up front , is not total cost .
The benefit is for people who may or may not decide 6 months or a year or whatever , they they really do n't use the phone or data plan enough and want to do something different .
Yes the initial cost may be a bit steep to act in such a way , but people do it all the time anyway with early termination fees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I don't even know why anyone would by a Nexus 1 
Because the phone costs, and plan costs are just part of the equation.
A similar thing could be said for the iPhone, and cell phones in general really.
You don't need any of them, and money can be better spent other ways.. but if you want a particular experience, and are willing to pay for it, then you pay for it.. The real benefit of paying up front, is not total cost.
The benefit is for people who may or may not decide 6 months or a year or whatever, they they really don't use the phone or data plan enough and want to do something different.
Yes the initial cost may be a bit steep to act in such a way, but people do it all the time anyway with early termination fees.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31056100</id>
	<title>"Evil"?</title>
	<author>Gorimek</author>
	<datestamp>1265546100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I understand you're disappointed the latest toy doesn't have every feature you'd wish for.</p><p>But if you think that is what <b>Evil</b> is, you have a lot of rough days ahead of you...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I understand you 're disappointed the latest toy does n't have every feature you 'd wish for.But if you think that is what Evil is , you have a lot of rough days ahead of you.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I understand you're disappointed the latest toy doesn't have every feature you'd wish for.But if you think that is what Evil is, you have a lot of rough days ahead of you...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049942</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050720</id>
	<title>It's fuzzy math</title>
	<author>gaelfx</author>
	<datestamp>1265482860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, I never understood the whole "you have to spend money to save money" mentality that so many people have. When you spend money that you don't need to spend, that's a loss in my book, even if the discount is 99\%. But hey, kudos to the guy for pointing out that you don't need to be tied to the service if you're going to buy the phone anyways, you may as well get the unlocked version and do some crazy custom modding, which will cost you more time, and arguably more money.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , I never understood the whole " you have to spend money to save money " mentality that so many people have .
When you spend money that you do n't need to spend , that 's a loss in my book , even if the discount is 99 \ % .
But hey , kudos to the guy for pointing out that you do n't need to be tied to the service if you 're going to buy the phone anyways , you may as well get the unlocked version and do some crazy custom modding , which will cost you more time , and arguably more money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, I never understood the whole "you have to spend money to save money" mentality that so many people have.
When you spend money that you don't need to spend, that's a loss in my book, even if the discount is 99\%.
But hey, kudos to the guy for pointing out that you don't need to be tied to the service if you're going to buy the phone anyways, you may as well get the unlocked version and do some crazy custom modding, which will cost you more time, and arguably more money.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31065656</id>
	<title>bad examples</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265626080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really you are just talking about making the wrong choice based entirely on price. None of your examples are about "buying too cheap". They're two different things.</p><p>A high-end point and shoot camera is not "cheap", it's just a different category which has different strengths and weaknesses than a DSLR. You could have bought an expensive and capable DSLR and found out it's a bitch to fly and lug around a heavy box with a couple lenses and change them in the middle of the shoot.</p><p>Now, if you said you bought a cheap "Panafonic" camera with heavy vignetting and noise at base ISO etc etc, that would be buying cheap.</p><p>On the other hand buying an Oppo BluRay player instead of the luxury model based on it is buying smart, as spending more money on the luxury model would get you very little, if nothing, in return.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really you are just talking about making the wrong choice based entirely on price .
None of your examples are about " buying too cheap " .
They 're two different things.A high-end point and shoot camera is not " cheap " , it 's just a different category which has different strengths and weaknesses than a DSLR .
You could have bought an expensive and capable DSLR and found out it 's a bitch to fly and lug around a heavy box with a couple lenses and change them in the middle of the shoot.Now , if you said you bought a cheap " Panafonic " camera with heavy vignetting and noise at base ISO etc etc , that would be buying cheap.On the other hand buying an Oppo BluRay player instead of the luxury model based on it is buying smart , as spending more money on the luxury model would get you very little , if nothing , in return .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really you are just talking about making the wrong choice based entirely on price.
None of your examples are about "buying too cheap".
They're two different things.A high-end point and shoot camera is not "cheap", it's just a different category which has different strengths and weaknesses than a DSLR.
You could have bought an expensive and capable DSLR and found out it's a bitch to fly and lug around a heavy box with a couple lenses and change them in the middle of the shoot.Now, if you said you bought a cheap "Panafonic" camera with heavy vignetting and noise at base ISO etc etc, that would be buying cheap.On the other hand buying an Oppo BluRay player instead of the luxury model based on it is buying smart, as spending more money on the luxury model would get you very little, if nothing, in return.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051816</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050916</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>obarthelemy</author>
	<datestamp>1265574120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No. Locked phone = no SIM swapping, neither at home nor abroad. One exception: MVNO that use your original provider's network, but that's not very interesting.</p><p>I don't know about the rest of Europe, but the law in France forces the operator to unlock your phone for free after 6 months (or for a fee up to &euro; 65 before). So the locked phone issue only exists for the first 6 months of a contract (you've got to request the unlock, though). I always keep a previous phone, just in case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
Locked phone = no SIM swapping , neither at home nor abroad .
One exception : MVNO that use your original provider 's network , but that 's not very interesting.I do n't know about the rest of Europe , but the law in France forces the operator to unlock your phone for free after 6 months ( or for a fee up to    65 before ) .
So the locked phone issue only exists for the first 6 months of a contract ( you 've got to request the unlock , though ) .
I always keep a previous phone , just in case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
Locked phone = no SIM swapping, neither at home nor abroad.
One exception: MVNO that use your original provider's network, but that's not very interesting.I don't know about the rest of Europe, but the law in France forces the operator to unlock your phone for free after 6 months (or for a fee up to € 65 before).
So the locked phone issue only exists for the first 6 months of a contract (you've got to request the unlock, though).
I always keep a previous phone, just in case.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050108</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049914</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265472120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
But it's <b>20\% OFF!!!</b></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But it 's 20 \ % OFF ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
But it's 20\% OFF!!
!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31070040</id>
	<title>Re:Oh god</title>
	<author>xaxa</author>
	<datestamp>1265714460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What about the UK?</p></div><p>They're all pretty similar. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_mobile\_network\_operators\_of\_Europe#United\_Kingdom" title="wikipedia.org">List</a> [wikipedia.org] (the virtual operators are there to introduce competition by forcing the others to rent out their network wholesale, there's no disadvantage to using one if their deal suits you better. I make very few calls, so I usa Asda pay-as-you-go.)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Anyway, what's a decent phone provider in the UK that I can use in the EU?   Web access would be nice since new country and all.</p></div><p>They will all work, but if you're going to be using the phone regularly outside the UK you will probably want to find one with a good EU/international roaming deal.</p></div>
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<tokenext>What about the UK ? They 're all pretty similar .
List [ wikipedia.org ] ( the virtual operators are there to introduce competition by forcing the others to rent out their network wholesale , there 's no disadvantage to using one if their deal suits you better .
I make very few calls , so I usa Asda pay-as-you-go .
) Anyway , what 's a decent phone provider in the UK that I can use in the EU ?
Web access would be nice since new country and all.They will all work , but if you 're going to be using the phone regularly outside the UK you will probably want to find one with a good EU/international roaming deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about the UK?They're all pretty similar.
List [wikipedia.org] (the virtual operators are there to introduce competition by forcing the others to rent out their network wholesale, there's no disadvantage to using one if their deal suits you better.
I make very few calls, so I usa Asda pay-as-you-go.
)Anyway, what's a decent phone provider in the UK that I can use in the EU?
Web access would be nice since new country and all.They will all work, but if you're going to be using the phone regularly outside the UK you will probably want to find one with a good EU/international roaming deal.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31049950</id>
	<title>How does this work?</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1265472540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>To me the math is simple, unless T-Mobile and Android is engaging in false advertising.  The price is $179 which seems  high for an HTC smart phone.  Monthly is about $85.  Two year cost is around $2200.
<p>
On the other hand one can buy the phone and the same two year cost will be about the same.  This would be the reasonable thing to do as you would not incur the wrath of the Google termination fee.
</p><p>
I don't even know why anyone would by a Nexus 1, since one can get a no contract phone from T-Mobile for much less and have the same fee.
</p><p>
I wonder if Google is setting such high prices to keep the cell companies happy, or if they are actually so inefficient that they can't market the phone for less.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To me the math is simple , unless T-Mobile and Android is engaging in false advertising .
The price is $ 179 which seems high for an HTC smart phone .
Monthly is about $ 85 .
Two year cost is around $ 2200 .
On the other hand one can buy the phone and the same two year cost will be about the same .
This would be the reasonable thing to do as you would not incur the wrath of the Google termination fee .
I do n't even know why anyone would by a Nexus 1 , since one can get a no contract phone from T-Mobile for much less and have the same fee .
I wonder if Google is setting such high prices to keep the cell companies happy , or if they are actually so inefficient that they ca n't market the phone for less .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To me the math is simple, unless T-Mobile and Android is engaging in false advertising.
The price is $179 which seems  high for an HTC smart phone.
Monthly is about $85.
Two year cost is around $2200.
On the other hand one can buy the phone and the same two year cost will be about the same.
This would be the reasonable thing to do as you would not incur the wrath of the Google termination fee.
I don't even know why anyone would by a Nexus 1, since one can get a no contract phone from T-Mobile for much less and have the same fee.
I wonder if Google is setting such high prices to keep the cell companies happy, or if they are actually so inefficient that they can't market the phone for less.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31058296</id>
	<title>Re:It's fuzzy math</title>
	<author>ToasterMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1265568120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Seriously, I never understood the whole "you have to spend money to save money" mentality that so many people have. When you spend money that you don't need to spend, that's a loss in my book, even if the discount is 99\%.</p></div><p>That saying doesn't mean buying things you don't need saves you money.</p><p>value per dollar per dollar is sort of a bell curve.  This applies to maaaaaaany, many things.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , I never understood the whole " you have to spend money to save money " mentality that so many people have .
When you spend money that you do n't need to spend , that 's a loss in my book , even if the discount is 99 \ % .That saying does n't mean buying things you do n't need saves you money.value per dollar per dollar is sort of a bell curve .
This applies to maaaaaaany , many things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, I never understood the whole "you have to spend money to save money" mentality that so many people have.
When you spend money that you don't need to spend, that's a loss in my book, even if the discount is 99\%.That saying doesn't mean buying things you don't need saves you money.value per dollar per dollar is sort of a bell curve.
This applies to maaaaaaany, many things.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31050818</id>
	<title>Re:Obviously this person is not financially litera</title>
	<author>Dr. Spork</author>
	<datestamp>1265484660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Geez, when you add it all up, doesn't it seem like a lot of money to you just for an opportunity to use the phone?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Geez , when you add it all up , does n't it seem like a lot of money to you just for an opportunity to use the phone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Geez, when you add it all up, doesn't it seem like a lot of money to you just for an opportunity to use the phone?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051046</id>
	<title>Re:Obviously this person is not financially litera</title>
	<author>tangent3</author>
	<datestamp>1265534460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So subsidizing is basically T-mobile giving you a $350 loan where you pay back $20 per month for 24 months.<br>If I'm not wrong the interest rate on this loan is 32.4\% ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So subsidizing is basically T-mobile giving you a $ 350 loan where you pay back $ 20 per month for 24 months.If I 'm not wrong the interest rate on this loan is 32.4 \ % ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So subsidizing is basically T-mobile giving you a $350 loan where you pay back $20 per month for 24 months.If I'm not wrong the interest rate on this loan is 32.4\% ?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051804</id>
	<title>Seriously, this is much too complicated...</title>
	<author>okmijnuhb</author>
	<datestamp>1265549100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>This article is symptomatic of the mobile phone business greed. <br>
The pricing plans are so convoluted, someone claiming to be an expert cannot even get the math right.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This article is symptomatic of the mobile phone business greed .
The pricing plans are so convoluted , someone claiming to be an expert can not even get the math right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This article is symptomatic of the mobile phone business greed.
The pricing plans are so convoluted, someone claiming to be an expert cannot even get the math right.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051134</id>
	<title>Not $49, but $2449</title>
	<author>gnasher719</author>
	<datestamp>1265536380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Shouldn't we calculate the price in the same way as iPhone prices are usually calculated? <br> <br>
According to the FTA, he is paying $529 for the phone, plus $80 per month for an unlimited plan = $1920 over two years, total = $2449. That is the cost of the phone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Should n't we calculate the price in the same way as iPhone prices are usually calculated ?
According to the FTA , he is paying $ 529 for the phone , plus $ 80 per month for an unlimited plan = $ 1920 over two years , total = $ 2449 .
That is the cost of the phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shouldn't we calculate the price in the same way as iPhone prices are usually calculated?
According to the FTA, he is paying $529 for the phone, plus $80 per month for an unlimited plan = $1920 over two years, total = $2449.
That is the cost of the phone.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31072048</id>
	<title>Man, I'm dong real good with my G1!</title>
	<author>JSBiff</author>
	<datestamp>1265731140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, I have to agree with other posters that it's a bit twisted to say the phone costs $49 (though it is true you save money by buying the phone outright then taking the $20/mo discount).</p><p>But, let's apply the original article author's 'math' to my used G1 which I bought from craigslist for $100 outright, and then got T-Mo's $20/mo discount (and let's assume I keep the phone and discounted plan for 4 years instead of 2 [which might be a bit, err, optimistic since there's no guarantee I can keep the same pricing discount from T-Mo that long - in a year or two they might scrap the whole plan structure]):</p><p>100 - (20 * 12 * 4) = -$860. Wow, my phone costs me NEGATIVE $860 dollars!!!11!1</p><p>Seriously, though, it's true that I would *save* $860 over the course of 4 years (again, assuming I get to keep the same pricing plan for 4 years, which is doubtful), which I'm perfectly happy with (the $20/mo discount without contract is really what sold me on T-Mo), but it's ridiculous to then state that the phone costs me negative hundreds of dollars - I'm paying less to T-Mo, not getting payed by T-Mo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , I have to agree with other posters that it 's a bit twisted to say the phone costs $ 49 ( though it is true you save money by buying the phone outright then taking the $ 20/mo discount ) .But , let 's apply the original article author 's 'math ' to my used G1 which I bought from craigslist for $ 100 outright , and then got T-Mo 's $ 20/mo discount ( and let 's assume I keep the phone and discounted plan for 4 years instead of 2 [ which might be a bit , err , optimistic since there 's no guarantee I can keep the same pricing discount from T-Mo that long - in a year or two they might scrap the whole plan structure ] ) : 100 - ( 20 * 12 * 4 ) = - $ 860 .
Wow , my phone costs me NEGATIVE $ 860 dollars ! !
! 11 ! 1Seriously , though , it 's true that I would * save * $ 860 over the course of 4 years ( again , assuming I get to keep the same pricing plan for 4 years , which is doubtful ) , which I 'm perfectly happy with ( the $ 20/mo discount without contract is really what sold me on T-Mo ) , but it 's ridiculous to then state that the phone costs me negative hundreds of dollars - I 'm paying less to T-Mo , not getting payed by T-Mo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, I have to agree with other posters that it's a bit twisted to say the phone costs $49 (though it is true you save money by buying the phone outright then taking the $20/mo discount).But, let's apply the original article author's 'math' to my used G1 which I bought from craigslist for $100 outright, and then got T-Mo's $20/mo discount (and let's assume I keep the phone and discounted plan for 4 years instead of 2 [which might be a bit, err, optimistic since there's no guarantee I can keep the same pricing discount from T-Mo that long - in a year or two they might scrap the whole plan structure]):100 - (20 * 12 * 4) = -$860.
Wow, my phone costs me NEGATIVE $860 dollars!!
!11!1Seriously, though, it's true that I would *save* $860 over the course of 4 years (again, assuming I get to keep the same pricing plan for 4 years, which is doubtful), which I'm perfectly happy with (the $20/mo discount without contract is really what sold me on T-Mo), but it's ridiculous to then state that the phone costs me negative hundreds of dollars - I'm paying less to T-Mo, not getting payed by T-Mo.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31053910</id>
	<title>Re:So paying now is an advantage over paying later</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265573640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>The extra $20 per month on the contract is offset by the fact that you're using a smartphone, it pays for itself. You make more sales or get a better job or save time or money compared to when you didn't have a smartphone.</i>
<p>

It also makes you healthier, smarter, sexier and cooler while making you rich and famous. It also makes you better in bed</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The extra $ 20 per month on the contract is offset by the fact that you 're using a smartphone , it pays for itself .
You make more sales or get a better job or save time or money compared to when you did n't have a smartphone .
It also makes you healthier , smarter , sexier and cooler while making you rich and famous .
It also makes you better in bed</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The extra $20 per month on the contract is offset by the fact that you're using a smartphone, it pays for itself.
You make more sales or get a better job or save time or money compared to when you didn't have a smartphone.
It also makes you healthier, smarter, sexier and cooler while making you rich and famous.
It also makes you better in bed</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_233240.31051386</parent>
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