<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_05_2239256</id>
	<title>Physicists Discover How To Teleport Energy</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1265368800000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>MikeChino writes <i>"A physicist at Tohoku University in Japan has figured out how to <a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24759/">teleport energy from one point in the universe to another</a>. The technique is based upon prior research that shows it's possible to teleport information from one location to another, and involves making a measurement on each [of] an entangled pair of particles. The measurement on the first particle injects quantum energy into the system, and then by carefully choosing the measurement to do so on the second particle, it is possible to extract the original energy. Heady stuff, but essentially it means that you can inject energy at one point in the universe and extract it from somewhere else without changing the energy of the system as a whole."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>MikeChino writes " A physicist at Tohoku University in Japan has figured out how to teleport energy from one point in the universe to another .
The technique is based upon prior research that shows it 's possible to teleport information from one location to another , and involves making a measurement on each [ of ] an entangled pair of particles .
The measurement on the first particle injects quantum energy into the system , and then by carefully choosing the measurement to do so on the second particle , it is possible to extract the original energy .
Heady stuff , but essentially it means that you can inject energy at one point in the universe and extract it from somewhere else without changing the energy of the system as a whole .
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<sentencetext>MikeChino writes "A physicist at Tohoku University in Japan has figured out how to teleport energy from one point in the universe to another.
The technique is based upon prior research that shows it's possible to teleport information from one location to another, and involves making a measurement on each [of] an entangled pair of particles.
The measurement on the first particle injects quantum energy into the system, and then by carefully choosing the measurement to do so on the second particle, it is possible to extract the original energy.
Heady stuff, but essentially it means that you can inject energy at one point in the universe and extract it from somewhere else without changing the energy of the system as a whole.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042352</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>Nazlfrag</author>
	<datestamp>1265382240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you could make it a binary choice, couldn't you just guess and still get 50\% of the power transmitted?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you could make it a binary choice , could n't you just guess and still get 50 \ % of the power transmitted ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you could make it a binary choice, couldn't you just guess and still get 50\% of the power transmitted?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041350</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>DeadDecoy</author>
	<datestamp>1265374800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But if you transmit energy this way, doesn't that imply that you have sent information? i.e. energy is being sent or received which might be encoded as a bit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But if you transmit energy this way , does n't that imply that you have sent information ?
i.e. energy is being sent or received which might be encoded as a bit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But if you transmit energy this way, doesn't that imply that you have sent information?
i.e. energy is being sent or received which might be encoded as a bit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041056</id>
	<title>Physics!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265372880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where is Gordon Freeman when you need him?!  He knows this stuff better than ANYONE!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where is Gordon Freeman when you need him ? !
He knows this stuff better than ANYONE !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where is Gordon Freeman when you need him?!
He knows this stuff better than ANYONE!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041374</id>
	<title>this is not physics, its biology</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1265375100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>its called peristalsis</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peristalsis" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peristalsis</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>aka, every time you swallow, you make a future fart</p><p>so what is this? interstellar peristalsis? gives new meaning to the term "worm hole"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>its called peristalsishttp : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peristalsis [ wikipedia.org ] aka , every time you swallow , you make a future fartso what is this ?
interstellar peristalsis ?
gives new meaning to the term " worm hole "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>its called peristalsishttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peristalsis [wikipedia.org]aka, every time you swallow, you make a future fartso what is this?
interstellar peristalsis?
gives new meaning to the term "worm hole"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041200</id>
	<title>Hmm</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1265373780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait a sec...</p><p>Isn't how things started in <i> <a href="http://www.kuro5hin.org/prime-intellect/" title="kuro5hin.org">The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect</a> [kuro5hin.org] </i> got started off?</p><p>*fear*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait a sec...Is n't how things started in The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect [ kuro5hin.org ] got started off ?
* fear *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait a sec...Isn't how things started in  The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect [kuro5hin.org]  got started off?
*fear*</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041734</id>
	<title>Yeah baby!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265377500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now we can finally start strip mining the sun!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now we can finally start strip mining the sun !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now we can finally start strip mining the sun!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042086</id>
	<title>the real trick</title>
	<author>hyperion2010</author>
	<datestamp>1265380380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its easy, all you need is to already know what information it is going to send!</p><p>Those of you who are married surely have large amounts of data on this FTL communication device!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its easy , all you need is to already know what information it is going to send ! Those of you who are married surely have large amounts of data on this FTL communication device !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its easy, all you need is to already know what information it is going to send!Those of you who are married surely have large amounts of data on this FTL communication device!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041384</id>
	<title>Good news.</title>
	<author>Tibia1</author>
	<datestamp>1265375160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Although I've already read about this concept, I'm glad to see that there is progress being made. It's been said that we can make the most efficient computer in the universe by utilizing every process inside a black hole, and it's been theorized that we can send in quantum entangled atoms, and leave the other half out of the black hole to keep the result of the computation available. This means we can utilize the power a black hole can deliver without having to enter it at all. The atoms will keep the same spin as their entangled partners and therefore we can computations and energy back out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Although I 've already read about this concept , I 'm glad to see that there is progress being made .
It 's been said that we can make the most efficient computer in the universe by utilizing every process inside a black hole , and it 's been theorized that we can send in quantum entangled atoms , and leave the other half out of the black hole to keep the result of the computation available .
This means we can utilize the power a black hole can deliver without having to enter it at all .
The atoms will keep the same spin as their entangled partners and therefore we can computations and energy back out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although I've already read about this concept, I'm glad to see that there is progress being made.
It's been said that we can make the most efficient computer in the universe by utilizing every process inside a black hole, and it's been theorized that we can send in quantum entangled atoms, and leave the other half out of the black hole to keep the result of the computation available.
This means we can utilize the power a black hole can deliver without having to enter it at all.
The atoms will keep the same spin as their entangled partners and therefore we can computations and energy back out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041210</id>
	<title>Re:Wow.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265373840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Best.  Physics quote.  Ever.</p><p>"He gives the example of a string of entangled ions oscillating back and forth in an electric field trap, a bit like Newton's balls."</p></div><p>Which we know from his laws, will continue to swing until they encounter another object or friction.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Best .
Physics quote .
Ever. " He gives the example of a string of entangled ions oscillating back and forth in an electric field trap , a bit like Newton 's balls .
" Which we know from his laws , will continue to swing until they encounter another object or friction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Best.
Physics quote.
Ever."He gives the example of a string of entangled ions oscillating back and forth in an electric field trap, a bit like Newton's balls.
"Which we know from his laws, will continue to swing until they encounter another object or friction.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042150</id>
	<title>Cryptography</title>
	<author>Post-O-Matron</author>
	<datestamp>1265380860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder why nobody mentioned this, but wouldn't "teleportation"-based communication be impossible to eavesdrop on?</p><p>If that's the case, it would have applications even across distances where classical communication is still "instantaneous".</p><p>Bad news for cryptographers though...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder why nobody mentioned this , but would n't " teleportation " -based communication be impossible to eavesdrop on ? If that 's the case , it would have applications even across distances where classical communication is still " instantaneous " .Bad news for cryptographers though.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder why nobody mentioned this, but wouldn't "teleportation"-based communication be impossible to eavesdrop on?If that's the case, it would have applications even across distances where classical communication is still "instantaneous".Bad news for cryptographers though...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041484</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>FrangoAssado</author>
	<datestamp>1265375880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So the idea here is apparently that the energy itself can be transmitted instantly, but you can't actually transmit <i>information</i> this way. Just energy.</p></div><p>No, energy can't be transmitted instantly. From the abstract:</p><p> <i>Protocols of quantum energy teleportation (QET) (...) enable the transportation of energy from a subsystem of a many-body quantum system to a distant subsystem by local operations <b>and classical communication</b> through ground-state entanglement. We prove two energy-entanglement inequalities for a minimal QET model.</i> [my emphasis]</p><p>So, you apparently still need the classical channel in order to know what measurement to perform in the receiving end, just like in good old <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum\_teleportation" title="wikipedia.org">quantum teleportation</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So the idea here is apparently that the energy itself can be transmitted instantly , but you ca n't actually transmit information this way .
Just energy.No , energy ca n't be transmitted instantly .
From the abstract : Protocols of quantum energy teleportation ( QET ) ( ... ) enable the transportation of energy from a subsystem of a many-body quantum system to a distant subsystem by local operations and classical communication through ground-state entanglement .
We prove two energy-entanglement inequalities for a minimal QET model .
[ my emphasis ] So , you apparently still need the classical channel in order to know what measurement to perform in the receiving end , just like in good old quantum teleportation [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the idea here is apparently that the energy itself can be transmitted instantly, but you can't actually transmit information this way.
Just energy.No, energy can't be transmitted instantly.
From the abstract: Protocols of quantum energy teleportation (QET) (...) enable the transportation of energy from a subsystem of a many-body quantum system to a distant subsystem by local operations and classical communication through ground-state entanglement.
We prove two energy-entanglement inequalities for a minimal QET model.
[my emphasis]So, you apparently still need the classical channel in order to know what measurement to perform in the receiving end, just like in good old quantum teleportation [wikipedia.org].
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042814</id>
	<title>e=mc^2</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265386740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>they may have transmitted it as energy, but matter is just energy in standing waves. so we just need a (very) fancy wave generator, insane processing power, an ultra fast scanner at the sending end, and of course a disintegration beam to vaporize you once your copy is made; then it's star trek here we come.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>they may have transmitted it as energy , but matter is just energy in standing waves .
so we just need a ( very ) fancy wave generator , insane processing power , an ultra fast scanner at the sending end , and of course a disintegration beam to vaporize you once your copy is made ; then it 's star trek here we come .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they may have transmitted it as energy, but matter is just energy in standing waves.
so we just need a (very) fancy wave generator, insane processing power, an ultra fast scanner at the sending end, and of course a disintegration beam to vaporize you once your copy is made; then it's star trek here we come.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041358</id>
	<title>travel to the stars just got easier</title>
	<author>chezifresh</author>
	<datestamp>1265374920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>if this really works and can be very precise then you can teleport energy to a moving spacecraft making serious space travel a reality.  no longer would you need to carry ANY fuel.</htmltext>
<tokenext>if this really works and can be very precise then you can teleport energy to a moving spacecraft making serious space travel a reality .
no longer would you need to carry ANY fuel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if this really works and can be very precise then you can teleport energy to a moving spacecraft making serious space travel a reality.
no longer would you need to carry ANY fuel.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31040968</id>
	<title>Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265372400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>How would an experiment like this be interpreted using the consistent histories theory?
<br> <br>
For a classic entanglement "teleportation" scenario where a measurement on one particle could cause information to be "teleported" to the state of the other particle, I think the consistent histories interpretation of quantum mechanics says that the second particle was always in the same state until it was measured, and that no information was exchanged.
<br> <br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consistent\_histories" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consistent\_histories</a> [wikipedia.org]
<br> <br>
On another note, is there a way to test if this is correct?<br>
Are there direct practical applications for this, if it is correct?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How would an experiment like this be interpreted using the consistent histories theory ?
For a classic entanglement " teleportation " scenario where a measurement on one particle could cause information to be " teleported " to the state of the other particle , I think the consistent histories interpretation of quantum mechanics says that the second particle was always in the same state until it was measured , and that no information was exchanged .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consistent \ _histories [ wikipedia.org ] On another note , is there a way to test if this is correct ?
Are there direct practical applications for this , if it is correct ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How would an experiment like this be interpreted using the consistent histories theory?
For a classic entanglement "teleportation" scenario where a measurement on one particle could cause information to be "teleported" to the state of the other particle, I think the consistent histories interpretation of quantum mechanics says that the second particle was always in the same state until it was measured, and that no information was exchanged.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consistent\_histories [wikipedia.org]
 
On another note, is there a way to test if this is correct?
Are there direct practical applications for this, if it is correct?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041344</id>
	<title>We've been over this</title>
	<author>Arancaytar</author>
	<datestamp>1265374740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://xkcd.com/465/" title="xkcd.com">It's Not That Kind Of Teleportation</a> [xkcd.com]</p><p>And the first comment on TFA is, of course, someone saying how this can be used for FTL communication.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's Not That Kind Of Teleportation [ xkcd.com ] And the first comment on TFA is , of course , someone saying how this can be used for FTL communication .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's Not That Kind Of Teleportation [xkcd.com]And the first comment on TFA is, of course, someone saying how this can be used for FTL communication.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31043208</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>clambake</author>
	<datestamp>1265390340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>In this case, you have to "measure" the particle in a particular way to retrieve the energy, and that way depends on what happened to the particle on the other side while the energy is being "pumped in" (so you cannot know in advance).</i></p><p>So you take a trillions and trillions and trillions of particles, and start measuring them randomly at once...  Eventually you get lucky, and one of them gives you a return on energy.  Poof, instant information transfer, but without having the data that you "needed" to do it.  No waiting in line!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In this case , you have to " measure " the particle in a particular way to retrieve the energy , and that way depends on what happened to the particle on the other side while the energy is being " pumped in " ( so you can not know in advance ) .So you take a trillions and trillions and trillions of particles , and start measuring them randomly at once... Eventually you get lucky , and one of them gives you a return on energy .
Poof , instant information transfer , but without having the data that you " needed " to do it .
No waiting in line !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In this case, you have to "measure" the particle in a particular way to retrieve the energy, and that way depends on what happened to the particle on the other side while the energy is being "pumped in" (so you cannot know in advance).So you take a trillions and trillions and trillions of particles, and start measuring them randomly at once...  Eventually you get lucky, and one of them gives you a return on energy.
Poof, instant information transfer, but without having the data that you "needed" to do it.
No waiting in line!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041038</id>
	<title>holy crap</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265372760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I for one welcome our new quantum overlords.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one welcome our new quantum overlords .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one welcome our new quantum overlords.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31044512</id>
	<title>mod parent up</title>
	<author>chichilalescu</author>
	<datestamp>1265456580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This would be the best use for such a technology. Now we just have to wait to see if it gets done...<br>Having large solar panels on a space station transmitting energy to the ground would be very clean and somehow reasonable (everybody should realise that most of the energy emitted by the sun is wasted outside the orbital plane).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This would be the best use for such a technology .
Now we just have to wait to see if it gets done...Having large solar panels on a space station transmitting energy to the ground would be very clean and somehow reasonable ( everybody should realise that most of the energy emitted by the sun is wasted outside the orbital plane ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This would be the best use for such a technology.
Now we just have to wait to see if it gets done...Having large solar panels on a space station transmitting energy to the ground would be very clean and somehow reasonable (everybody should realise that most of the energy emitted by the sun is wasted outside the orbital plane).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31045914</id>
	<title>Re:Not faster than light, but still teleportation</title>
	<author>benjamindees</author>
	<datestamp>1265475960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>and still I can "beam" them arbitrary amounts of energy</p></div><p>Not arbitrary amounts.  Not more than the amount of entangled particles they have already been provided with.  If you read the actual paper, which is entitled "Energy-Entanglement Relation for Quantum Energy Teleportation", it is clear that the amount of energy which can be "transmitted" is limited by the consumption of entanglement.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>and still I can " beam " them arbitrary amounts of energyNot arbitrary amounts .
Not more than the amount of entangled particles they have already been provided with .
If you read the actual paper , which is entitled " Energy-Entanglement Relation for Quantum Energy Teleportation " , it is clear that the amount of energy which can be " transmitted " is limited by the consumption of entanglement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and still I can "beam" them arbitrary amounts of energyNot arbitrary amounts.
Not more than the amount of entangled particles they have already been provided with.
If you read the actual paper, which is entitled "Energy-Entanglement Relation for Quantum Energy Teleportation", it is clear that the amount of energy which can be "transmitted" is limited by the consumption of entanglement.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31056900</id>
	<title>Body transfer?</title>
	<author>Psaakyrn</author>
	<datestamp>1265554080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If talking about state changes only, this seems like a potential candidate for a scientific variant of the D&amp;D clone spell..</p><p><a href="http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Clone" title="dandwiki.com">http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Clone</a> [dandwiki.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If talking about state changes only , this seems like a potential candidate for a scientific variant of the D&amp;D clone spell..http : //www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD : Clone [ dandwiki.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If talking about state changes only, this seems like a potential candidate for a scientific variant of the D&amp;D clone spell..http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Clone [dandwiki.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31044594</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265457900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>You seem to know what you're talking about. Are there any books you'd recommend for non-physicists as an introduction to the quantum world? Are the Wikipedia articles on this topic reliable?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You seem to know what you 're talking about .
Are there any books you 'd recommend for non-physicists as an introduction to the quantum world ?
Are the Wikipedia articles on this topic reliable ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You seem to know what you're talking about.
Are there any books you'd recommend for non-physicists as an introduction to the quantum world?
Are the Wikipedia articles on this topic reliable?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041702</id>
	<title>There's something wrong in this article</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265377380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>It seems weird because in the quantum teleportation protocol you cannot transfer information faster than light. Furthermore, you can teleport a qubit in the excited state (therefore teleport energy) but the transfered energy is already "delocalized" in the entangled particles shared by the sender and the receiver and the protocol only allows you to localize it at the receiver's end. So you still have to transport your entangled particle, which cannot be done faster than light. The formalism the guy uses in his article is unhelpfully heavy and I doubt his conclusions are good. I say you can indeed teleport energy (think of it as teleporting a chain of excited states) but you cannot do it faster than light. There is also a problem with carrying around a system with a lot of entangled energy, it will have a small gravity field and it will decohere very fast, rendering it useless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems weird because in the quantum teleportation protocol you can not transfer information faster than light .
Furthermore , you can teleport a qubit in the excited state ( therefore teleport energy ) but the transfered energy is already " delocalized " in the entangled particles shared by the sender and the receiver and the protocol only allows you to localize it at the receiver 's end .
So you still have to transport your entangled particle , which can not be done faster than light .
The formalism the guy uses in his article is unhelpfully heavy and I doubt his conclusions are good .
I say you can indeed teleport energy ( think of it as teleporting a chain of excited states ) but you can not do it faster than light .
There is also a problem with carrying around a system with a lot of entangled energy , it will have a small gravity field and it will decohere very fast , rendering it useless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems weird because in the quantum teleportation protocol you cannot transfer information faster than light.
Furthermore, you can teleport a qubit in the excited state (therefore teleport energy) but the transfered energy is already "delocalized" in the entangled particles shared by the sender and the receiver and the protocol only allows you to localize it at the receiver's end.
So you still have to transport your entangled particle, which cannot be done faster than light.
The formalism the guy uses in his article is unhelpfully heavy and I doubt his conclusions are good.
I say you can indeed teleport energy (think of it as teleporting a chain of excited states) but you cannot do it faster than light.
There is also a problem with carrying around a system with a lot of entangled energy, it will have a small gravity field and it will decohere very fast, rendering it useless.</sentencetext>
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	<title>this is a mathematical breakthrough right ?</title>
	<author>notrandom</author>
	<datestamp>1265464380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>is it just me or proof by experiments is hard to come by these days ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>is it just me or proof by experiments is hard to come by these days ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is it just me or proof by experiments is hard to come by these days ?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31043200</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1265390340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Yet another one, who forgets, that when your &ldquo;just&rdquo; prepare a certain amount of particles (by measurement) upfront, you still get &ldquo;instantaneous&rdquo; communication/transmission while using them up.</p><p>Imagine a rover on mars, with pre-entangled and pre-measured partices onboard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet another one , who forgets , that when your    just    prepare a certain amount of particles ( by measurement ) upfront , you still get    instantaneous    communication/transmission while using them up.Imagine a rover on mars , with pre-entangled and pre-measured partices onboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet another one, who forgets, that when your “just” prepare a certain amount of particles (by measurement) upfront, you still get “instantaneous” communication/transmission while using them up.Imagine a rover on mars, with pre-entangled and pre-measured partices onboard.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041216</id>
	<title>"Think like a dinosaur" Outer Limits episode</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265373900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><div class="quote"><p><b>"Best. Physics quote. Ever."</b> - by tool462 (677306) on Friday February 05, @06:25PM (#31041022)</p></div><p>Per my subject-line above, &amp; that espisode has a great line in it that actually fits this article to a decent extent (as to a 'great quote'):</p><p>"THE EQUATION <b>MUST</b> BE BALANCED!" - Dino-Alien teleporter operator, from "Think like a Dinosaur" OUTER LIMITS episode</p><p>APK</p><p>P.S.=&gt; Yes, it's "Sci-Fi", but <b>I thought it fit well here, especially per this quote from the article here</b> -&gt;</p><p>"Heady stuff, but essentially it means that you can inject energy at one point in the universe and extract it from somewhere else without changing the energy of the system as a whole."</p><p>All-in-all on this?... Pretty neat, &amp; matter is next! apk</p></div>
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<tokenext>" Best .
Physics quote .
Ever. " - by tool462 ( 677306 ) on Friday February 05 , @ 06 : 25PM ( # 31041022 ) Per my subject-line above , &amp; that espisode has a great line in it that actually fits this article to a decent extent ( as to a 'great quote ' ) : " THE EQUATION MUST BE BALANCED !
" - Dino-Alien teleporter operator , from " Think like a Dinosaur " OUTER LIMITS episodeAPKP.S. = &gt; Yes , it 's " Sci-Fi " , but I thought it fit well here , especially per this quote from the article here - &gt; " Heady stuff , but essentially it means that you can inject energy at one point in the universe and extract it from somewhere else without changing the energy of the system as a whole .
" All-in-all on this ? .. .
Pretty neat , &amp; matter is next !
apk</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Best.
Physics quote.
Ever." - by tool462 (677306) on Friday February 05, @06:25PM (#31041022)Per my subject-line above, &amp; that espisode has a great line in it that actually fits this article to a decent extent (as to a 'great quote'):"THE EQUATION MUST BE BALANCED!
" - Dino-Alien teleporter operator, from "Think like a Dinosaur" OUTER LIMITS episodeAPKP.S.=&gt; Yes, it's "Sci-Fi", but I thought it fit well here, especially per this quote from the article here -&gt;"Heady stuff, but essentially it means that you can inject energy at one point in the universe and extract it from somewhere else without changing the energy of the system as a whole.
"All-in-all on this?...
Pretty neat, &amp; matter is next!
apk
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041556</id>
	<title>Re:Saudi Naughty</title>
	<author>kehren77</author>
	<datestamp>1265376420000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Or directly from Zoofnin's sun. More energy there than on their planet.</p><p>Actually this does beg the question of how long until we have a working ZPM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or directly from Zoofnin 's sun .
More energy there than on their planet.Actually this does beg the question of how long until we have a working ZPM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or directly from Zoofnin's sun.
More energy there than on their planet.Actually this does beg the question of how long until we have a working ZPM.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31044624</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265458380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Isaac Asimov's The Last Question (http://www.multivax.com/last\_question.html) came to my mind as I read the article, especially this part:</p><p>"For decades, Multivac had helped design the ships and plot the trajectories that enabled man to reach the Moon, Mars, and Venus, but past that, Earth's poor resources could not support the ships. Too much energy was needed for the long trips. Earth exploited its coal and uranium with increasing efficiency, but there was only so much of both.</p><p>But slowly Multivac learned enough to answer deeper questions more fundamentally, and on May 14, 2061, what had been theory, became fact.</p><p>The energy of the sun was stored, converted, and utilized directly on a planet-wide scale. All Earth turned off its burning coal, its fissioning uranium, and flipped the switch that connected all of it to a small station, one mile in diameter, circling the Earth at half the distance of the Moon. All Earth ran by invisible beams of sunpower."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Isaac Asimov 's The Last Question ( http : //www.multivax.com/last \ _question.html ) came to my mind as I read the article , especially this part : " For decades , Multivac had helped design the ships and plot the trajectories that enabled man to reach the Moon , Mars , and Venus , but past that , Earth 's poor resources could not support the ships .
Too much energy was needed for the long trips .
Earth exploited its coal and uranium with increasing efficiency , but there was only so much of both.But slowly Multivac learned enough to answer deeper questions more fundamentally , and on May 14 , 2061 , what had been theory , became fact.The energy of the sun was stored , converted , and utilized directly on a planet-wide scale .
All Earth turned off its burning coal , its fissioning uranium , and flipped the switch that connected all of it to a small station , one mile in diameter , circling the Earth at half the distance of the Moon .
All Earth ran by invisible beams of sunpower .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isaac Asimov's The Last Question (http://www.multivax.com/last\_question.html) came to my mind as I read the article, especially this part:"For decades, Multivac had helped design the ships and plot the trajectories that enabled man to reach the Moon, Mars, and Venus, but past that, Earth's poor resources could not support the ships.
Too much energy was needed for the long trips.
Earth exploited its coal and uranium with increasing efficiency, but there was only so much of both.But slowly Multivac learned enough to answer deeper questions more fundamentally, and on May 14, 2061, what had been theory, became fact.The energy of the sun was stored, converted, and utilized directly on a planet-wide scale.
All Earth turned off its burning coal, its fissioning uranium, and flipped the switch that connected all of it to a small station, one mile in diameter, circling the Earth at half the distance of the Moon.
All Earth ran by invisible beams of sunpower.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31072774</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>fusiongyro</author>
	<datestamp>1265734320000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Thanks for the clarification. This stuff is so abstract, it seems like whenever someone tries to make it meaningful to the lay person they wind up utterly destroying the truth of what's going on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for the clarification .
This stuff is so abstract , it seems like whenever someone tries to make it meaningful to the lay person they wind up utterly destroying the truth of what 's going on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for the clarification.
This stuff is so abstract, it seems like whenever someone tries to make it meaningful to the lay person they wind up utterly destroying the truth of what's going on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042716</id>
	<title>To Infinity and Beyond</title>
	<author>AmigaMMC</author>
	<datestamp>1265385840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>And now we only have to figure out how to transform matter into energy and vice-versa in a non-destructive way and we can start building Galaxy Class starships.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And now we only have to figure out how to transform matter into energy and vice-versa in a non-destructive way and we can start building Galaxy Class starships .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And now we only have to figure out how to transform matter into energy and vice-versa in a non-destructive way and we can start building Galaxy Class starships.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31044396</id>
	<title>VASt amount of energy appearing at a place:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265454900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>this is a BOMB...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this is a BOMB.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is a BOMB...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31085356</id>
	<title>Tesla</title>
	<author>Aizenmyou</author>
	<datestamp>1265038320000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Didn't Nicola Tesla do something similar?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did n't Nicola Tesla do something similar ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Didn't Nicola Tesla do something similar?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042692</id>
	<title>Exxon</title>
	<author>mbstone</author>
	<datestamp>1265385540000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>So Exxon will be able to suck the gas back out of my tank?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So Exxon will be able to suck the gas back out of my tank ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So Exxon will be able to suck the gas back out of my tank?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31045582</id>
	<title>So ... in the gas station of the future</title>
	<author>Joce640k</author>
	<datestamp>1265472720000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I just fill up my tank with entangled particles and the gas company will disentangle them as I drive along? That's neat!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just fill up my tank with entangled particles and the gas company will disentangle them as I drive along ?
That 's neat !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just fill up my tank with entangled particles and the gas company will disentangle them as I drive along?
That's neat!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31043550</id>
	<title>Very close together...</title>
	<author>yoshi\_mon</author>
	<datestamp>1265395140000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I've seen a lot of posts with very good math talking about how it's not realistic to move data or energy across a field.  But I'd submit that whenever these study's come up they always move said data or energy along something outside the inside part of the nuclear field that someone is dealing with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen a lot of posts with very good math talking about how it 's not realistic to move data or energy across a field .
But I 'd submit that whenever these study 's come up they always move said data or energy along something outside the inside part of the nuclear field that someone is dealing with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen a lot of posts with very good math talking about how it's not realistic to move data or energy across a field.
But I'd submit that whenever these study's come up they always move said data or energy along something outside the inside part of the nuclear field that someone is dealing with.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Life Imitates Video Games</title>
	<author>ShakaUVM</author>
	<datestamp>1265535900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;If I recall, in Mass Effect 2 they used entangled particles for instantaneous long-distance transmission across the galaxy!</p><p>Yeah, one of the things I love about the Mass Effect series is that they actually have a consistent physics that would actually work if their core premise (Element Zero / Eezo) actually existed. Essentially, if you run an electric current through the Eezo, it reduces the mass of objects in the area based on the electric current, and the mass. When you reduce mass to zero, then you get to move at light speed for free. If you reduce it below zero, the theory goes, you get FTL speed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; If I recall , in Mass Effect 2 they used entangled particles for instantaneous long-distance transmission across the galaxy ! Yeah , one of the things I love about the Mass Effect series is that they actually have a consistent physics that would actually work if their core premise ( Element Zero / Eezo ) actually existed .
Essentially , if you run an electric current through the Eezo , it reduces the mass of objects in the area based on the electric current , and the mass .
When you reduce mass to zero , then you get to move at light speed for free .
If you reduce it below zero , the theory goes , you get FTL speed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;If I recall, in Mass Effect 2 they used entangled particles for instantaneous long-distance transmission across the galaxy!Yeah, one of the things I love about the Mass Effect series is that they actually have a consistent physics that would actually work if their core premise (Element Zero / Eezo) actually existed.
Essentially, if you run an electric current through the Eezo, it reduces the mass of objects in the area based on the electric current, and the mass.
When you reduce mass to zero, then you get to move at light speed for free.
If you reduce it below zero, the theory goes, you get FTL speed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041474</id>
	<title>Energy mass equivalence and the lightspeed limit ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265375820000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Haven't read the papers yet.<br>But actually the argument that quantum teleportation doesn't break relativity theory was that no information/mass/energy is moved at speeds beyond lightspeed. Like if you use it to transmit information, you need a 2nd channel that goes at lightspeed max. like to tell the target station how to do the measurement, or not ?</p><p>So mmmh, teleporting energy<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... how can it work then ? Need to read more about it...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have n't read the papers yet.But actually the argument that quantum teleportation does n't break relativity theory was that no information/mass/energy is moved at speeds beyond lightspeed .
Like if you use it to transmit information , you need a 2nd channel that goes at lightspeed max .
like to tell the target station how to do the measurement , or not ? So mmmh , teleporting energy ... how can it work then ?
Need to read more about it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Haven't read the papers yet.But actually the argument that quantum teleportation doesn't break relativity theory was that no information/mass/energy is moved at speeds beyond lightspeed.
Like if you use it to transmit information, you need a 2nd channel that goes at lightspeed max.
like to tell the target station how to do the measurement, or not ?So mmmh, teleporting energy ... how can it work then ?
Need to read more about it...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041312</id>
	<title>Re:Wow....</title>
	<author>jfengel</author>
	<datestamp>1265374560000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>&gt; This is provided the technology isn't only "ten years away" or so.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p><p>This is the kind of technology they call "40 years away".  As in "Yeah, I suppose, maybe, but I'm not even sure it's theoretically possible."</p><p>(As opposed to "10 years", meaning "It's theoretically possible, but I have no idea how.")</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; This is provided the technology is n't only " ten years away " or so .
; - ) This is the kind of technology they call " 40 years away " .
As in " Yeah , I suppose , maybe , but I 'm not even sure it 's theoretically possible .
" ( As opposed to " 10 years " , meaning " It 's theoretically possible , but I have no idea how .
" )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; This is provided the technology isn't only "ten years away" or so.
;-)This is the kind of technology they call "40 years away".
As in "Yeah, I suppose, maybe, but I'm not even sure it's theoretically possible.
"(As opposed to "10 years", meaning "It's theoretically possible, but I have no idea how.
")</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042236</id>
	<title>Quantum tunneling called...</title>
	<author>Paul Fernhout</author>
	<datestamp>1265381580000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>They want their energy back.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum\_tunnelling" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum\_tunnelling</a> [wikipedia.org]<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking\_radiation" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking\_radiation</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>Could all mass and energy in the universe have come from random fluctuations nearby a big black hole? I don't understand why the generation of pairs of particles does not produce no net effect on the black hole (so, no evaporation) if matter and antimatter pairs created by vacuum fluctuation quantum events have one or the other fall into the black hole at the same rate? If there was a preference for antimatter from the created pair to go into black holes, that might explain the existence of the material universe.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-) And all the anti-matter to balance the matter created from the vacuum is safely tucked away inside one or more big black holes. (A tiny asymmetry of anti-matter being having a teeny bit more gravity than the same amount of matter might explain that, or if some type of anti-particle attracted anti-particles more than particles, that might also explain that.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They want their energy back .
: - )     http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum \ _tunnelling [ wikipedia.org ]     http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking \ _radiation [ wikipedia.org ] Could all mass and energy in the universe have come from random fluctuations nearby a big black hole ?
I do n't understand why the generation of pairs of particles does not produce no net effect on the black hole ( so , no evaporation ) if matter and antimatter pairs created by vacuum fluctuation quantum events have one or the other fall into the black hole at the same rate ?
If there was a preference for antimatter from the created pair to go into black holes , that might explain the existence of the material universe .
: - ) And all the anti-matter to balance the matter created from the vacuum is safely tucked away inside one or more big black holes .
( A tiny asymmetry of anti-matter being having a teeny bit more gravity than the same amount of matter might explain that , or if some type of anti-particle attracted anti-particles more than particles , that might also explain that .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They want their energy back.
:-)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum\_tunnelling [wikipedia.org]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking\_radiation [wikipedia.org]Could all mass and energy in the universe have come from random fluctuations nearby a big black hole?
I don't understand why the generation of pairs of particles does not produce no net effect on the black hole (so, no evaporation) if matter and antimatter pairs created by vacuum fluctuation quantum events have one or the other fall into the black hole at the same rate?
If there was a preference for antimatter from the created pair to go into black holes, that might explain the existence of the material universe.
:-) And all the anti-matter to balance the matter created from the vacuum is safely tucked away inside one or more big black holes.
(A tiny asymmetry of anti-matter being having a teeny bit more gravity than the same amount of matter might explain that, or if some type of anti-particle attracted anti-particles more than particles, that might also explain that.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31043514</id>
	<title>Re:Not faster than light, but still teleportation</title>
	<author>BiggerIsBetter</author>
	<datestamp>1265394480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For example, say I have a bunch of particles here on Earth and my colleagues on Mars have another bunch of particles entangled with mine. Mars is at the moment ten light-minutes away from each. On my end, I perform a measurement on (i.e. I interact with) my particles in a way which raises their energy from X joules to Y joules; I then send a radio transmission (with said transmission using less than Y-X joules) to my colleagues on Mars giving them instructions for what measurements to make on their end, i.e. I transmit information, in normal ways, at the speed of light or less.</p></div><p>Please excuse my stupidity, but why can you not agree in advance (eg, before lift-off of the Mars mission) which techniques/measurements to use for this, and negate the need for light-speed communication at all?</p></div>
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<tokenext>For example , say I have a bunch of particles here on Earth and my colleagues on Mars have another bunch of particles entangled with mine .
Mars is at the moment ten light-minutes away from each .
On my end , I perform a measurement on ( i.e .
I interact with ) my particles in a way which raises their energy from X joules to Y joules ; I then send a radio transmission ( with said transmission using less than Y-X joules ) to my colleagues on Mars giving them instructions for what measurements to make on their end , i.e .
I transmit information , in normal ways , at the speed of light or less.Please excuse my stupidity , but why can you not agree in advance ( eg , before lift-off of the Mars mission ) which techniques/measurements to use for this , and negate the need for light-speed communication at all ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For example, say I have a bunch of particles here on Earth and my colleagues on Mars have another bunch of particles entangled with mine.
Mars is at the moment ten light-minutes away from each.
On my end, I perform a measurement on (i.e.
I interact with) my particles in a way which raises their energy from X joules to Y joules; I then send a radio transmission (with said transmission using less than Y-X joules) to my colleagues on Mars giving them instructions for what measurements to make on their end, i.e.
I transmit information, in normal ways, at the speed of light or less.Please excuse my stupidity, but why can you not agree in advance (eg, before lift-off of the Mars mission) which techniques/measurements to use for this, and negate the need for light-speed communication at all?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041394</id>
	<title>There ain't no such thing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265375280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>as a free lunch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>as a free lunch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as a free lunch.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041096</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>fusiongyro</author>
	<datestamp>1265373060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am not the guy to answer this, but I'm going to take a stab at it.</p><p>The article says that the prior research worked by transmitting the information separately, at the speed of light. So the idea here is apparently that the energy itself can be transmitted instantly, but you can't actually transmit <i>information</i> this way. Just energy.</p><p>Still, that rocks pretty hard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not the guy to answer this , but I 'm going to take a stab at it.The article says that the prior research worked by transmitting the information separately , at the speed of light .
So the idea here is apparently that the energy itself can be transmitted instantly , but you ca n't actually transmit information this way .
Just energy.Still , that rocks pretty hard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not the guy to answer this, but I'm going to take a stab at it.The article says that the prior research worked by transmitting the information separately, at the speed of light.
So the idea here is apparently that the energy itself can be transmitted instantly, but you can't actually transmit information this way.
Just energy.Still, that rocks pretty hard.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31043986</id>
	<title>Re:Wow....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265489220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you can inject enough energy into the process this could in theory be the replacement for batteries.  This is provided you could make a giant transmitter that sends to the receiving devices.  (Or possibly battery replacement modules?)</p><p>This is provided the technology isn't only "ten years away" or so.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></div><p>Like a giant Tesla coil... in the past...</p></div>
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<tokenext>If you can inject enough energy into the process this could in theory be the replacement for batteries .
This is provided you could make a giant transmitter that sends to the receiving devices .
( Or possibly battery replacement modules ?
) This is provided the technology is n't only " ten years away " or so .
; - ) Like a giant Tesla coil... in the past.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can inject enough energy into the process this could in theory be the replacement for batteries.
This is provided you could make a giant transmitter that sends to the receiving devices.
(Or possibly battery replacement modules?
)This is provided the technology isn't only "ten years away" or so.
;-)Like a giant Tesla coil... in the past...
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31043448</id>
	<title>Re:Just a theoretical preprint, premature to plug</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1265393520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait, it's posted in the arXiv *and* there's a blog post? Slashdot threshold exceeded.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , it 's posted in the arXiv * and * there 's a blog post ?
Slashdot threshold exceeded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, it's posted in the arXiv *and* there's a blog post?
Slashdot threshold exceeded.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042048</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>radtea</author>
	<datestamp>1265380200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So the idea here is apparently that the energy itself can be transmitted instantly, but you can't actually transmit information this way. Just energy.</p></div><p>I'm pretty much pushing a rock up hill here, but some people enjoy pointless struggle.</p><p>Nothing is transmitted instantaneously.  Not mass, not energy, not information.  Nor, contrary to the article's false claims, has anyone ever teleported an electron, photon or atom, although people who don't understand quantum mechanics and physicists who would rather mislead the public to get positive mention in the press than do actual science will claim otherwise.</p><p>The only thing that gets "teleported" is the quantum state of an atom, electron or atom.  As anyone who knows anything about quantum mechanics knows, the ontology of quantum states is a slippery beast,  so  talking about "teleporting" one as if it was ontologically identical to a brick or Captain Kirk is pretty questionable right off.</p><p>Teleporting a quantum state is completely different from teleporting a particle:  if you could teleport a particle then the particle quantum numbers at the transmitter and receiver would change.  In the case of quantum "teleportation" they do not.  And the information is carried via entanglement using a perfectly ordinary beam of particles:  if you were to stick your hand into the space through which <b>information</b> is being "teleported" the perfectly ordinary classical carrier particles would burn a hole through it.</p><p>In the case at hand, what is being discussed appears to be a fairly tame equivalent of quantum tunnelling, in which a spatially extended object like a string is excited into a higher energy state by an interaction at one end.  There may be a small but finite chance that you can then de-excite the string from the other end pretty much instantaneously, because the excited state is a state of the whole spatially extended string, although the question of the speed at which that can occur is much debated.</p><p>Arguments over the "velocity" of the wavefunction under the barrier in quantum tunnelling have been going on since the early 1930's--there's a nice paper in Phys Rev from 1932 or thereabouts in which the authors did a pre-electronic-computer numerical solution to Schrodinger's equation to study the issue.</p><p>So to my mind, this is pretty ordinary, although a nice way of studying a much-debated and well-known curiosity of the quantum world, that has been marketed in a misleading and dishonest way to an ignorant press by the scientists in question, or which has been picked up the the ignorant press and distorted beyond all recognition despite the scientist's attempts at an honest and clear presentation.</p></div>
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<tokenext>So the idea here is apparently that the energy itself can be transmitted instantly , but you ca n't actually transmit information this way .
Just energy.I 'm pretty much pushing a rock up hill here , but some people enjoy pointless struggle.Nothing is transmitted instantaneously .
Not mass , not energy , not information .
Nor , contrary to the article 's false claims , has anyone ever teleported an electron , photon or atom , although people who do n't understand quantum mechanics and physicists who would rather mislead the public to get positive mention in the press than do actual science will claim otherwise.The only thing that gets " teleported " is the quantum state of an atom , electron or atom .
As anyone who knows anything about quantum mechanics knows , the ontology of quantum states is a slippery beast , so talking about " teleporting " one as if it was ontologically identical to a brick or Captain Kirk is pretty questionable right off.Teleporting a quantum state is completely different from teleporting a particle : if you could teleport a particle then the particle quantum numbers at the transmitter and receiver would change .
In the case of quantum " teleportation " they do not .
And the information is carried via entanglement using a perfectly ordinary beam of particles : if you were to stick your hand into the space through which information is being " teleported " the perfectly ordinary classical carrier particles would burn a hole through it.In the case at hand , what is being discussed appears to be a fairly tame equivalent of quantum tunnelling , in which a spatially extended object like a string is excited into a higher energy state by an interaction at one end .
There may be a small but finite chance that you can then de-excite the string from the other end pretty much instantaneously , because the excited state is a state of the whole spatially extended string , although the question of the speed at which that can occur is much debated.Arguments over the " velocity " of the wavefunction under the barrier in quantum tunnelling have been going on since the early 1930 's--there 's a nice paper in Phys Rev from 1932 or thereabouts in which the authors did a pre-electronic-computer numerical solution to Schrodinger 's equation to study the issue.So to my mind , this is pretty ordinary , although a nice way of studying a much-debated and well-known curiosity of the quantum world , that has been marketed in a misleading and dishonest way to an ignorant press by the scientists in question , or which has been picked up the the ignorant press and distorted beyond all recognition despite the scientist 's attempts at an honest and clear presentation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the idea here is apparently that the energy itself can be transmitted instantly, but you can't actually transmit information this way.
Just energy.I'm pretty much pushing a rock up hill here, but some people enjoy pointless struggle.Nothing is transmitted instantaneously.
Not mass, not energy, not information.
Nor, contrary to the article's false claims, has anyone ever teleported an electron, photon or atom, although people who don't understand quantum mechanics and physicists who would rather mislead the public to get positive mention in the press than do actual science will claim otherwise.The only thing that gets "teleported" is the quantum state of an atom, electron or atom.
As anyone who knows anything about quantum mechanics knows, the ontology of quantum states is a slippery beast,  so  talking about "teleporting" one as if it was ontologically identical to a brick or Captain Kirk is pretty questionable right off.Teleporting a quantum state is completely different from teleporting a particle:  if you could teleport a particle then the particle quantum numbers at the transmitter and receiver would change.
In the case of quantum "teleportation" they do not.
And the information is carried via entanglement using a perfectly ordinary beam of particles:  if you were to stick your hand into the space through which information is being "teleported" the perfectly ordinary classical carrier particles would burn a hole through it.In the case at hand, what is being discussed appears to be a fairly tame equivalent of quantum tunnelling, in which a spatially extended object like a string is excited into a higher energy state by an interaction at one end.
There may be a small but finite chance that you can then de-excite the string from the other end pretty much instantaneously, because the excited state is a state of the whole spatially extended string, although the question of the speed at which that can occur is much debated.Arguments over the "velocity" of the wavefunction under the barrier in quantum tunnelling have been going on since the early 1930's--there's a nice paper in Phys Rev from 1932 or thereabouts in which the authors did a pre-electronic-computer numerical solution to Schrodinger's equation to study the issue.So to my mind, this is pretty ordinary, although a nice way of studying a much-debated and well-known curiosity of the quantum world, that has been marketed in a misleading and dishonest way to an ignorant press by the scientists in question, or which has been picked up the the ignorant press and distorted beyond all recognition despite the scientist's attempts at an honest and clear presentation.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041268</id>
	<title>Big deal..</title>
	<author>mozumder</author>
	<datestamp>1265374260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can teleport energy through a "power cable".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can teleport energy through a " power cable " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can teleport energy through a "power cable".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31050106</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>Daetrin</author>
	<datestamp>1265474100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Okay, i've read the article, and your explanation makes sense, but there's still something i'm missing.<br>
<br>
If you can control the information when you pump the energy in, can't you tell the other people the information, and then stop transmitting the energy in order to send messages?<br>
<br>
And if they can't control the information when they pump the energy in, couldn't they figure out statistically how often each set of information would be the answer? Then you could do the exact same thing, but with a lot more loss of energy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay , i 've read the article , and your explanation makes sense , but there 's still something i 'm missing .
If you can control the information when you pump the energy in , ca n't you tell the other people the information , and then stop transmitting the energy in order to send messages ?
And if they ca n't control the information when they pump the energy in , could n't they figure out statistically how often each set of information would be the answer ?
Then you could do the exact same thing , but with a lot more loss of energy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay, i've read the article, and your explanation makes sense, but there's still something i'm missing.
If you can control the information when you pump the energy in, can't you tell the other people the information, and then stop transmitting the energy in order to send messages?
And if they can't control the information when they pump the energy in, couldn't they figure out statistically how often each set of information would be the answer?
Then you could do the exact same thing, but with a lot more loss of energy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041682</id>
	<title>Re:Space based sular arrays to ground transfer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265377260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Last time I checked (walked outside after dawn), solar energy transmitted itself to the ground just fine without our help.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Last time I checked ( walked outside after dawn ) , solar energy transmitted itself to the ground just fine without our help .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last time I checked (walked outside after dawn), solar energy transmitted itself to the ground just fine without our help.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31047868</id>
	<title>Looks like we have FTL communication now</title>
	<author>Eristone</author>
	<datestamp>1265450280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If this really works, then we can actually do FTL communication - vary the energy levels you are sending through and...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If this really works , then we can actually do FTL communication - vary the energy levels you are sending through and.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this really works, then we can actually do FTL communication - vary the energy levels you are sending through and...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31043732</id>
	<title>Space Elevator</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265397720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Space Elevator</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Space Elevator</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Space Elevator</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31047018</id>
	<title>Re:Not faster than light, but still teleportation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265485380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What happens if two scientists agree on an exact point in time at which to make these measurements?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens if two scientists agree on an exact point in time at which to make these measurements ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens if two scientists agree on an exact point in time at which to make these measurements?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041582</id>
	<title>Re:Life Imitates Video Games</title>
	<author>Tmack</author>
	<datestamp>1265376660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yes, according to the lore they use entangled particles as a form of long range communication. EDI (Tricia Heifer of BSG fame) goes into some detail about how it works, which isn't that different from how the article here describes it.</p><p>Bioware deserve points for doing that kind of research into the game.</p></div><p>Its actually been around in Sci-Fi for quite some time. See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansible" title="wikipedia.org">Ansible</a> [wikipedia.org], Orson Scott Card used it as the basis for Ender's Game and that whole series of books (though it got a bit extreme after the first one).</p><p>tm</p></div>
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<tokenext>Yes , according to the lore they use entangled particles as a form of long range communication .
EDI ( Tricia Heifer of BSG fame ) goes into some detail about how it works , which is n't that different from how the article here describes it.Bioware deserve points for doing that kind of research into the game.Its actually been around in Sci-Fi for quite some time .
See Ansible [ wikipedia.org ] , Orson Scott Card used it as the basis for Ender 's Game and that whole series of books ( though it got a bit extreme after the first one ) .tm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, according to the lore they use entangled particles as a form of long range communication.
EDI (Tricia Heifer of BSG fame) goes into some detail about how it works, which isn't that different from how the article here describes it.Bioware deserve points for doing that kind of research into the game.Its actually been around in Sci-Fi for quite some time.
See Ansible [wikipedia.org], Orson Scott Card used it as the basis for Ender's Game and that whole series of books (though it got a bit extreme after the first one).tm
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041198</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265373780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The article says that the prior research worked by transmitting the information separately, at the speed of light. So the idea here is apparently that the energy itself can be transmitted instantly, but you can't actually transmit information this way. Just energy.</p></div><p>I'm having trouble with the difference (energy level + time factor = digital information) and that's without getting into the idea that matter basically = energy + information, but I guess that it's the <i>measurement</i> that differentiates them. However, unless I'm horribly mistaken, and I probably am, you could have two sync'd clocks and make repeated measurements of the energy being teleported, and use that for instant information transfer.</p><p>There, I fixed those pesky space travel comms and control delays for you.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The article says that the prior research worked by transmitting the information separately , at the speed of light .
So the idea here is apparently that the energy itself can be transmitted instantly , but you ca n't actually transmit information this way .
Just energy.I 'm having trouble with the difference ( energy level + time factor = digital information ) and that 's without getting into the idea that matter basically = energy + information , but I guess that it 's the measurement that differentiates them .
However , unless I 'm horribly mistaken , and I probably am , you could have two sync 'd clocks and make repeated measurements of the energy being teleported , and use that for instant information transfer.There , I fixed those pesky space travel comms and control delays for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article says that the prior research worked by transmitting the information separately, at the speed of light.
So the idea here is apparently that the energy itself can be transmitted instantly, but you can't actually transmit information this way.
Just energy.I'm having trouble with the difference (energy level + time factor = digital information) and that's without getting into the idea that matter basically = energy + information, but I guess that it's the measurement that differentiates them.
However, unless I'm horribly mistaken, and I probably am, you could have two sync'd clocks and make repeated measurements of the energy being teleported, and use that for instant information transfer.There, I fixed those pesky space travel comms and control delays for you.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31045120</id>
	<title>Re:Wow....</title>
	<author>Geminii</author>
	<datestamp>1265466840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>New studies show that an estimate of 'ten years away' could be made as early as next year!</htmltext>
<tokenext>New studies show that an estimate of 'ten years away ' could be made as early as next year !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New studies show that an estimate of 'ten years away' could be made as early as next year!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041184</id>
	<title>Space based sular arrays to ground transfer</title>
	<author>ZP-Blight</author>
	<datestamp>1265373720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This tech, if ever made viable on a larger scale would be the perfect way to transfer solar energy to the ground, much more efficient than the currently proposed lasers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This tech , if ever made viable on a larger scale would be the perfect way to transfer solar energy to the ground , much more efficient than the currently proposed lasers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This tech, if ever made viable on a larger scale would be the perfect way to transfer solar energy to the ground, much more efficient than the currently proposed lasers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041354</id>
	<title>Easy enough</title>
	<author>Snaller</author>
	<datestamp>1265374920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been doing that for years. I shove a pizza in my mouth and it teleports to my ass!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been doing that for years .
I shove a pizza in my mouth and it teleports to my ass !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been doing that for years.
I shove a pizza in my mouth and it teleports to my ass!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31043558</id>
	<title>Re:There's an important subtlety here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265395260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or atleast you need to have entanged particles at either end making it quite difficult. In that case the 'energy gain' on mars can be easily viewed as an 'energy loss' on earth although it is really a transfer of energy from one system to another. The fact that you need to have made the particles entangled takes into account any energy changes in either "seperate" system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or atleast you need to have entanged particles at either end making it quite difficult .
In that case the 'energy gain ' on mars can be easily viewed as an 'energy loss ' on earth although it is really a transfer of energy from one system to another .
The fact that you need to have made the particles entangled takes into account any energy changes in either " seperate " system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or atleast you need to have entanged particles at either end making it quite difficult.
In that case the 'energy gain' on mars can be easily viewed as an 'energy loss' on earth although it is really a transfer of energy from one system to another.
The fact that you need to have made the particles entangled takes into account any energy changes in either "seperate" system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31047084</id>
	<title>What if.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265485980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Couldn't we remove the need to have a classical channel for communicating the method of extracting the energy by using some kind of 'protocol'? Maybe a time-based system or something? So that no matter where the particle is, the mechanism for extracting the energy can be identified in advance?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could n't we remove the need to have a classical channel for communicating the method of extracting the energy by using some kind of 'protocol ' ?
Maybe a time-based system or something ?
So that no matter where the particle is , the mechanism for extracting the energy can be identified in advance ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Couldn't we remove the need to have a classical channel for communicating the method of extracting the energy by using some kind of 'protocol'?
Maybe a time-based system or something?
So that no matter where the particle is, the mechanism for extracting the energy can be identified in advance?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041364</id>
	<title>Re:Positioning?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265375040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Exactly how do I get the 'second' particle to where I want the information to be retrieved?</p></div><p>Bring refreshments.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly how do I get the 'second ' particle to where I want the information to be retrieved ? Bring refreshments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly how do I get the 'second' particle to where I want the information to be retrieved?Bring refreshments.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041634</id>
	<title>Interstellar travel then possible</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265376960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you can transport power then you can avoid the mass issues with interstellar travel. An array of solar collectors orbiting the Sun would power ship indefinitely so long as panels were replaced. Mass would still have to be "sucked up" along the way to use for propulsion unless some form of gravity drive was developed. Mass for power was always the biggest thing holding back interstellar travel.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you can transport power then you can avoid the mass issues with interstellar travel .
An array of solar collectors orbiting the Sun would power ship indefinitely so long as panels were replaced .
Mass would still have to be " sucked up " along the way to use for propulsion unless some form of gravity drive was developed .
Mass for power was always the biggest thing holding back interstellar travel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can transport power then you can avoid the mass issues with interstellar travel.
An array of solar collectors orbiting the Sun would power ship indefinitely so long as panels were replaced.
Mass would still have to be "sucked up" along the way to use for propulsion unless some form of gravity drive was developed.
Mass for power was always the biggest thing holding back interstellar travel.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041962</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>johncadengo</author>
	<datestamp>1265379480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can the energy being transmitted be manipulated in any way? For example, can we choose to send a lot of energy, or a little energy? If that's the case, couldn't we use different amounts of energy to represent different information? How is it that energy can be transmitted instantly, but information cannot?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can the energy being transmitted be manipulated in any way ?
For example , can we choose to send a lot of energy , or a little energy ?
If that 's the case , could n't we use different amounts of energy to represent different information ?
How is it that energy can be transmitted instantly , but information can not ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can the energy being transmitted be manipulated in any way?
For example, can we choose to send a lot of energy, or a little energy?
If that's the case, couldn't we use different amounts of energy to represent different information?
How is it that energy can be transmitted instantly, but information cannot?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31043158</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>poopdeville</author>
	<datestamp>1265389860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I don't understand what the hell is going on, but it seems to me that if you can send energy someplace faster than the speed of light, that could be used to transmit "information".<br></i></p><p>You're right.  Energy and information are the same thing, looked at from different perspectives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand what the hell is going on , but it seems to me that if you can send energy someplace faster than the speed of light , that could be used to transmit " information " .You 're right .
Energy and information are the same thing , looked at from different perspectives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't understand what the hell is going on, but it seems to me that if you can send energy someplace faster than the speed of light, that could be used to transmit "information".You're right.
Energy and information are the same thing, looked at from different perspectives.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31054404</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>ShakaUVM</author>
	<datestamp>1265534400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;In the case at hand, what is being discussed appears to be a fairly tame equivalent of quantum tunnelling, in which a spatially extended object like a string is excited into a higher energy state by an interaction at one end.</p><p>Except a string can't pass through a brick. But an electron can teleport through a "solid" barrier over very short distances. Its wavefunction can overlap a thin solid barrier, and when collapse occurs, it can appear on the other side of the barrier. This is why transistors work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; In the case at hand , what is being discussed appears to be a fairly tame equivalent of quantum tunnelling , in which a spatially extended object like a string is excited into a higher energy state by an interaction at one end.Except a string ca n't pass through a brick .
But an electron can teleport through a " solid " barrier over very short distances .
Its wavefunction can overlap a thin solid barrier , and when collapse occurs , it can appear on the other side of the barrier .
This is why transistors work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;In the case at hand, what is being discussed appears to be a fairly tame equivalent of quantum tunnelling, in which a spatially extended object like a string is excited into a higher energy state by an interaction at one end.Except a string can't pass through a brick.
But an electron can teleport through a "solid" barrier over very short distances.
Its wavefunction can overlap a thin solid barrier, and when collapse occurs, it can appear on the other side of the barrier.
This is why transistors work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041318</id>
	<title>Re:Wow.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265374620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you think Newton's balls were a sight to see, you should have seen Einstein's! I mean, talk about <em>relative</em> size.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you think Newton 's balls were a sight to see , you should have seen Einstein 's !
I mean , talk about relative size .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you think Newton's balls were a sight to see, you should have seen Einstein's!
I mean, talk about relative size.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31049468</id>
	<title>How about momentum?</title>
	<author>free0</author>
	<datestamp>1265465580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>other commenters have already speculated on powering a spacecraft by such<br>teleportation of energy... how about going one further, could this leveraged<br>towards transmitting momentum?</p><p>instead of merely transmitting energy for the ship's propulsion to use, take a<br>derivitive of this as the propulsion itself... imagine using the earth, sun, or any<br>other sufficiently large mass with a convenient energy resource as the reaction<br>mass for a ship to remotely push against.</p><p>however, if the entanglement is destroyed upon extraction of energy, then the<br>spacecraft could still be required to carry a large supply of entangled particles...<br>perhaps using photons would mitigate the impact this requirement, subject to other<br>tradeoffs?</p><p>Yes, its all still slower than light, and requires a classical communication channel,<br>however, the efficient propulsion potentially achieved would still be revolutionary.</p><p>If, however, its true that this effect doesn't even so much as transfer energy as<br>sensationalised, then of course nevermind. Though i would point out the energy<br>appears to be described as conserved for the whole system, as opposed to the<br>each of the 2 remote subsystems some commenters seem to have taken it to mean.<br>IANAP, though, and my interpretation could just be naive wishful thinking; anyone<br>who knows better is encouraged to poke the appropriate holes through this notion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>other commenters have already speculated on powering a spacecraft by suchteleportation of energy... how about going one further , could this leveragedtowards transmitting momentum ? instead of merely transmitting energy for the ship 's propulsion to use , take aderivitive of this as the propulsion itself... imagine using the earth , sun , or anyother sufficiently large mass with a convenient energy resource as the reactionmass for a ship to remotely push against.however , if the entanglement is destroyed upon extraction of energy , then thespacecraft could still be required to carry a large supply of entangled particles...perhaps using photons would mitigate the impact this requirement , subject to othertradeoffs ? Yes , its all still slower than light , and requires a classical communication channel,however , the efficient propulsion potentially achieved would still be revolutionary.If , however , its true that this effect does n't even so much as transfer energy assensationalised , then of course nevermind .
Though i would point out the energyappears to be described as conserved for the whole system , as opposed to theeach of the 2 remote subsystems some commenters seem to have taken it to mean.IANAP , though , and my interpretation could just be naive wishful thinking ; anyonewho knows better is encouraged to poke the appropriate holes through this notion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>other commenters have already speculated on powering a spacecraft by suchteleportation of energy... how about going one further, could this leveragedtowards transmitting momentum?instead of merely transmitting energy for the ship's propulsion to use, take aderivitive of this as the propulsion itself... imagine using the earth, sun, or anyother sufficiently large mass with a convenient energy resource as the reactionmass for a ship to remotely push against.however, if the entanglement is destroyed upon extraction of energy, then thespacecraft could still be required to carry a large supply of entangled particles...perhaps using photons would mitigate the impact this requirement, subject to othertradeoffs?Yes, its all still slower than light, and requires a classical communication channel,however, the efficient propulsion potentially achieved would still be revolutionary.If, however, its true that this effect doesn't even so much as transfer energy assensationalised, then of course nevermind.
Though i would point out the energyappears to be described as conserved for the whole system, as opposed to theeach of the 2 remote subsystems some commenters seem to have taken it to mean.IANAP, though, and my interpretation could just be naive wishful thinking; anyonewho knows better is encouraged to poke the appropriate holes through this notion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041736</id>
	<title>Meanwhile... on some remote distant planet</title>
	<author>nitro316</author>
	<datestamp>1265377500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Zarblot the 1st, King of Gygax IV was killed today by a freak power surge which seemed to come from nowhere. Scientist later traced the power back to some remote backwater planet known as E arth. Full scale invasion to begin tomorrow. More news at 11.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Zarblot the 1st , King of Gygax IV was killed today by a freak power surge which seemed to come from nowhere .
Scientist later traced the power back to some remote backwater planet known as E arth .
Full scale invasion to begin tomorrow .
More news at 11 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Zarblot the 1st, King of Gygax IV was killed today by a freak power surge which seemed to come from nowhere.
Scientist later traced the power back to some remote backwater planet known as E arth.
Full scale invasion to begin tomorrow.
More news at 11.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042696</id>
	<title>I can see it now</title>
	<author>kimvette</author>
	<datestamp>1265385600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can see it now:</p><p>AT&amp;T and Apple partner to offer the first remotely-charged cellphone. AT&amp;T has exclusive rights on the self-charging iPhone 6G S SC until 2022. Mandatory selection of "UNLIMITED CHARGING" is required with the two-year contract at time of purchase.</p><p>Six months later:</p><p>AT&amp;T has been sending cancellation notices to iPhone 6G S SC users who are heavy power users. Heavy gamers have been a drain on the charging network, so when a user reaches 200W the user will receive a courtesy call the first time, and the second time the user exceeds 200W the user's account will be shut off.   Subscribers are outraged, since they expected "UNLIMITED CHARGING" means what it says.</p><p>AT&amp;T did not respond to our request for comment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can see it now : AT&amp;T and Apple partner to offer the first remotely-charged cellphone .
AT&amp;T has exclusive rights on the self-charging iPhone 6G S SC until 2022 .
Mandatory selection of " UNLIMITED CHARGING " is required with the two-year contract at time of purchase.Six months later : AT&amp;T has been sending cancellation notices to iPhone 6G S SC users who are heavy power users .
Heavy gamers have been a drain on the charging network , so when a user reaches 200W the user will receive a courtesy call the first time , and the second time the user exceeds 200W the user 's account will be shut off .
Subscribers are outraged , since they expected " UNLIMITED CHARGING " means what it says.AT&amp;T did not respond to our request for comment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can see it now:AT&amp;T and Apple partner to offer the first remotely-charged cellphone.
AT&amp;T has exclusive rights on the self-charging iPhone 6G S SC until 2022.
Mandatory selection of "UNLIMITED CHARGING" is required with the two-year contract at time of purchase.Six months later:AT&amp;T has been sending cancellation notices to iPhone 6G S SC users who are heavy power users.
Heavy gamers have been a drain on the charging network, so when a user reaches 200W the user will receive a courtesy call the first time, and the second time the user exceeds 200W the user's account will be shut off.
Subscribers are outraged, since they expected "UNLIMITED CHARGING" means what it says.AT&amp;T did not respond to our request for comment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31043142</id>
	<title>Doesn't that, by Einstein's formula, also mean...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1265389740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...that one can teleport matter?<br>(Perhaps &ldquo;serialized&rdquo; into energy first, and put back together later.)</p><p>Now all we need is a way to remote-materialize things without first having to fly a machine all the millions of light years to that other planet.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...that one can teleport matter ?
( Perhaps    serialized    into energy first , and put back together later .
) Now all we need is a way to remote-materialize things without first having to fly a machine all the millions of light years to that other planet .
: /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...that one can teleport matter?
(Perhaps “serialized” into energy first, and put back together later.
)Now all we need is a way to remote-materialize things without first having to fly a machine all the millions of light years to that other planet.
:/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042466</id>
	<title>Re:Not faster than light, but still teleportation</title>
	<author>Tekfactory</author>
	<datestamp>1265383260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmmm,</p><p>Seems like you would want a surge protector (firewall) that would cutout and NOT measure the power difference if the measurement data they sent said someone sent you too much power and measuring it would fry the system.</p><p>I remember reading something about the first transatlantic cable being fried by someone on one end sending too much power.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic\_telegraph\_cable" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic\_telegraph\_cable</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmmm,Seems like you would want a surge protector ( firewall ) that would cutout and NOT measure the power difference if the measurement data they sent said someone sent you too much power and measuring it would fry the system.I remember reading something about the first transatlantic cable being fried by someone on one end sending too much power.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic \ _telegraph \ _cable [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmmm,Seems like you would want a surge protector (firewall) that would cutout and NOT measure the power difference if the measurement data they sent said someone sent you too much power and measuring it would fry the system.I remember reading something about the first transatlantic cable being fried by someone on one end sending too much power.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic\_telegraph\_cable [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041226</id>
	<title>video game imitates book</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265374020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I recall, in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperion\_(novel)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Hyperion</a> [wikipedia.org], they used entangled particles for instantaneous long-distance transmission across the galaxy!
<br>
<br>
who's next?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I recall , in Hyperion [ wikipedia.org ] , they used entangled particles for instantaneous long-distance transmission across the galaxy !
who 's next ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I recall, in Hyperion [wikipedia.org], they used entangled particles for instantaneous long-distance transmission across the galaxy!
who's next?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31043718</id>
	<title>Flynn!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265397600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Put him in the games...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Put him in the games.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Put him in the games...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042294</id>
	<title>Telematter Drive</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265381880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This sounds very similar to the Icarus Array in Peter Watts' novel, Blindsight. The premise (of the drive, I'll try to keep out any story spoilers) as I understand it is that entangled communications require a traditional EM signal to operate, but that they can transmit far more information than that signal alone could. It has nothing to do with FTL communications, simply "piggybacking" a whole lot of extra data using an otherwise normal communication signal. In the novel, unless I misread it, the same principal is used to transmit energy from a solar station very close to the sun to a ship way out in the oort cloud. Apply the same principal to energy and you can use a dinky little communications laser to set up a "quantum channel" (wrong term, I'm sure) that can carry an enormous amount of power. Sending that amount of power as a high intensity beam of EM radiation would not only need a huge collector at the recieving end but would be incredibly dangerous to anything between the source and the sink, like another ship.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds very similar to the Icarus Array in Peter Watts ' novel , Blindsight .
The premise ( of the drive , I 'll try to keep out any story spoilers ) as I understand it is that entangled communications require a traditional EM signal to operate , but that they can transmit far more information than that signal alone could .
It has nothing to do with FTL communications , simply " piggybacking " a whole lot of extra data using an otherwise normal communication signal .
In the novel , unless I misread it , the same principal is used to transmit energy from a solar station very close to the sun to a ship way out in the oort cloud .
Apply the same principal to energy and you can use a dinky little communications laser to set up a " quantum channel " ( wrong term , I 'm sure ) that can carry an enormous amount of power .
Sending that amount of power as a high intensity beam of EM radiation would not only need a huge collector at the recieving end but would be incredibly dangerous to anything between the source and the sink , like another ship .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds very similar to the Icarus Array in Peter Watts' novel, Blindsight.
The premise (of the drive, I'll try to keep out any story spoilers) as I understand it is that entangled communications require a traditional EM signal to operate, but that they can transmit far more information than that signal alone could.
It has nothing to do with FTL communications, simply "piggybacking" a whole lot of extra data using an otherwise normal communication signal.
In the novel, unless I misread it, the same principal is used to transmit energy from a solar station very close to the sun to a ship way out in the oort cloud.
Apply the same principal to energy and you can use a dinky little communications laser to set up a "quantum channel" (wrong term, I'm sure) that can carry an enormous amount of power.
Sending that amount of power as a high intensity beam of EM radiation would not only need a huge collector at the recieving end but would be incredibly dangerous to anything between the source and the sink, like another ship.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042646</id>
	<title>Some incentive</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265385120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"He who teleports Emma Watson to his bed chambers wins"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" He who teleports Emma Watson to his bed chambers wins "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"He who teleports Emma Watson to his bed chambers wins"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31044392</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265454780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; I'm pretty much pushing a rock up hill here, but some people enjoy pointless struggle.</p><p>I love pointless struggle! I could read it for hours.</p><p>Funny part is, all this fuzz about FTL goes on and on because people don't understand what time and distance are. Explain that, and the babbling stops.</p><p>Takers?<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I 'm pretty much pushing a rock up hill here , but some people enjoy pointless struggle.I love pointless struggle !
I could read it for hours.Funny part is , all this fuzz about FTL goes on and on because people do n't understand what time and distance are .
Explain that , and the babbling stops.Takers ?
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; I'm pretty much pushing a rock up hill here, but some people enjoy pointless struggle.I love pointless struggle!
I could read it for hours.Funny part is, all this fuzz about FTL goes on and on because people don't understand what time and distance are.
Explain that, and the babbling stops.Takers?
 </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31043692</id>
	<title>Read david Bohm</title>
	<author>0xC2</author>
	<datestamp>1265397180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>David Bohm's theory of the implicate order is (for me) the most satisfying explanation of the apparent absurdity in quantum entanglement.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicate\_and\_explicate\_order\_according\_to\_David\_Bohm#Quantum\_entanglement" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicate\_and\_explicate\_order\_according\_to\_David\_Bohm#Quantum\_entanglement</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p><a href="http://www.david-bohm.net/" title="david-bohm.net">http://www.david-bohm.net/</a> [david-bohm.net]</p><p><a href="http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/science/prat-boh.htm" title="theosophy-nw.org">http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/science/prat-boh.htm</a> [theosophy-nw.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>David Bohm 's theory of the implicate order is ( for me ) the most satisfying explanation of the apparent absurdity in quantum entanglement.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicate \ _and \ _explicate \ _order \ _according \ _to \ _David \ _Bohm # Quantum \ _entanglement [ wikipedia.org ] http : //www.david-bohm.net/ [ david-bohm.net ] http : //www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/science/prat-boh.htm [ theosophy-nw.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>David Bohm's theory of the implicate order is (for me) the most satisfying explanation of the apparent absurdity in quantum entanglement.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicate\_and\_explicate\_order\_according\_to\_David\_Bohm#Quantum\_entanglement [wikipedia.org]http://www.david-bohm.net/ [david-bohm.net]http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/science/prat-boh.htm [theosophy-nw.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041336</id>
	<title>Re:Positioning?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265374740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let it take the bus</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let it take the bus</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let it take the bus</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31046352</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>fwr</author>
	<datestamp>1265479800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>if you were to stick your hand into the space through which information is being "teleported" the perfectly ordinary classical carrier particles would burn a hole through it.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
I'm going to have a bit of fun with this by taking what you wrote literally.
<br> <br>
So basically, if we were to do a lot of these information transfers we would create something like a beam.  Mount it on a sword and you have a vibro-sword.  Or a "quantum scalpel!"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>if you were to stick your hand into the space through which information is being " teleported " the perfectly ordinary classical carrier particles would burn a hole through it .
I 'm going to have a bit of fun with this by taking what you wrote literally .
So basically , if we were to do a lot of these information transfers we would create something like a beam .
Mount it on a sword and you have a vibro-sword .
Or a " quantum scalpel !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if you were to stick your hand into the space through which information is being "teleported" the perfectly ordinary classical carrier particles would burn a hole through it.
I'm going to have a bit of fun with this by taking what you wrote literally.
So basically, if we were to do a lot of these information transfers we would create something like a beam.
Mount it on a sword and you have a vibro-sword.
Or a "quantum scalpel!
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042100</id>
	<title>The Genesis Machine!</title>
	<author>TrebleJunkie</author>
	<datestamp>1265380500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>James P. Hogan wrote a sci-fi novel about this back in the 70's, I think. The Genesis Machine. The technology was weaponized fairly quickly -- why use a warhead to deliver phenomenal amounts of energy when you can just deliver the energy?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>James P. Hogan wrote a sci-fi novel about this back in the 70 's , I think .
The Genesis Machine .
The technology was weaponized fairly quickly -- why use a warhead to deliver phenomenal amounts of energy when you can just deliver the energy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>James P. Hogan wrote a sci-fi novel about this back in the 70's, I think.
The Genesis Machine.
The technology was weaponized fairly quickly -- why use a warhead to deliver phenomenal amounts of energy when you can just deliver the energy?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31045916</id>
	<title>Re:Not faster than light, but still teleportation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265475960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Couldn't both sides agree a time and measurements to make while they are both here on Earth?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could n't both sides agree a time and measurements to make while they are both here on Earth ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Couldn't both sides agree a time and measurements to make while they are both here on Earth?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042256</id>
	<title>Think Bigger</title>
	<author>jovetoo</author>
	<datestamp>1265381640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
How about a few thousand solar satellites in orbit around the sun, transmitting energy directly to power stations on earth where the energy gets redistributed?
</p><p>
How about no more batteries?
</p><p>
Driving cars that get their energy straight from the sun?
</p><p>
Cellphones that do not just get their energy through an entangled pair, but also their 'net connection?
</p><p>
Or why not just dump one of those entangled particles into the sun? Or, if we're feeling particularly paranoid, into a neighboring star?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about a few thousand solar satellites in orbit around the sun , transmitting energy directly to power stations on earth where the energy gets redistributed ?
How about no more batteries ?
Driving cars that get their energy straight from the sun ?
Cellphones that do not just get their energy through an entangled pair , but also their 'net connection ?
Or why not just dump one of those entangled particles into the sun ?
Or , if we 're feeling particularly paranoid , into a neighboring star ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
How about a few thousand solar satellites in orbit around the sun, transmitting energy directly to power stations on earth where the energy gets redistributed?
How about no more batteries?
Driving cars that get their energy straight from the sun?
Cellphones that do not just get their energy through an entangled pair, but also their 'net connection?
Or why not just dump one of those entangled particles into the sun?
Or, if we're feeling particularly paranoid, into a neighboring star?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041696</id>
	<title>Stability of pairs and efficiency of transfer?</title>
	<author>hadesan</author>
	<datestamp>1265377320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What can untangle the pairs? How stable is the entanglement?<p>

Also, how much energy does it take to do the correct measurement to receive the transmitted energy?</p><p>

Depending on how much energy can be transferred in this method, would it be possible to mass a large amount of entangled pairs and send them into the Sun (or a solar array in space) that could then transmit that energy back to the other pair located somewhere on Earth?</p><p>

Limitless energy with no loss to transmission... Sweet deal...</p><p>

BTW, which do you think will come first? The civilian or military use <i>(if the military isn't already using it in some fashion...)</i> </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What can untangle the pairs ?
How stable is the entanglement ?
Also , how much energy does it take to do the correct measurement to receive the transmitted energy ?
Depending on how much energy can be transferred in this method , would it be possible to mass a large amount of entangled pairs and send them into the Sun ( or a solar array in space ) that could then transmit that energy back to the other pair located somewhere on Earth ?
Limitless energy with no loss to transmission... Sweet deal.. . BTW , which do you think will come first ?
The civilian or military use ( if the military is n't already using it in some fashion... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What can untangle the pairs?
How stable is the entanglement?
Also, how much energy does it take to do the correct measurement to receive the transmitted energy?
Depending on how much energy can be transferred in this method, would it be possible to mass a large amount of entangled pairs and send them into the Sun (or a solar array in space) that could then transmit that energy back to the other pair located somewhere on Earth?
Limitless energy with no loss to transmission... Sweet deal...

BTW, which do you think will come first?
The civilian or military use (if the military isn't already using it in some fashion...) </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31043580</id>
	<title>Quantum "Teleportation" isn't teleportation at all</title>
	<author>DigitalEntropy</author>
	<datestamp>1265395560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is nothing transmitted between "entangled" particles, nor are any relevant bits of information passed between them in any method that comes close to the definition of "teleportation", or even "transportation".  The quantum mechanics behind "entagled" particles should be described like this:</p><p>1.)   You have 2 Rubick's Cubes.<br>2.)   You "entagle" them by making the faces of each Cube exactly identical to the other.<br>3.)   You separate them physically into different geological locations.<br>4.)   You "measure" Cube A by turning one of its sides.<br>5.)   You call a handler at Cube B using a "common channel" (phone).<br>6.)   Cube B is "measured" by having its identical face turned exactly replicating Step 4, per the instructions received by step 5.<br>7.)   Repeat steps 4 through 6 until your heart is content.<br>8.)   Bring the Cubes together, and marvel that their faces are still identical to each other.</p><p>I think the principle problem with "quantum teleportation" is that any measurement on one Cube which is not duplicated exactly on the other, breaks the entanglement of the particles.  They are only "entangled" in the sense that their states have been synchronized.  There may be avenues of recovering the synchronization using permutations of "measurements", but then I haven't read much about what occurs during an error or fault in measurement, so this is all just my best guess.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is nothing transmitted between " entangled " particles , nor are any relevant bits of information passed between them in any method that comes close to the definition of " teleportation " , or even " transportation " .
The quantum mechanics behind " entagled " particles should be described like this : 1 .
) You have 2 Rubick 's Cubes.2 .
) You " entagle " them by making the faces of each Cube exactly identical to the other.3 .
) You separate them physically into different geological locations.4 .
) You " measure " Cube A by turning one of its sides.5 .
) You call a handler at Cube B using a " common channel " ( phone ) .6 .
) Cube B is " measured " by having its identical face turned exactly replicating Step 4 , per the instructions received by step 5.7 .
) Repeat steps 4 through 6 until your heart is content.8 .
) Bring the Cubes together , and marvel that their faces are still identical to each other.I think the principle problem with " quantum teleportation " is that any measurement on one Cube which is not duplicated exactly on the other , breaks the entanglement of the particles .
They are only " entangled " in the sense that their states have been synchronized .
There may be avenues of recovering the synchronization using permutations of " measurements " , but then I have n't read much about what occurs during an error or fault in measurement , so this is all just my best guess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is nothing transmitted between "entangled" particles, nor are any relevant bits of information passed between them in any method that comes close to the definition of "teleportation", or even "transportation".
The quantum mechanics behind "entagled" particles should be described like this:1.
)   You have 2 Rubick's Cubes.2.
)   You "entagle" them by making the faces of each Cube exactly identical to the other.3.
)   You separate them physically into different geological locations.4.
)   You "measure" Cube A by turning one of its sides.5.
)   You call a handler at Cube B using a "common channel" (phone).6.
)   Cube B is "measured" by having its identical face turned exactly replicating Step 4, per the instructions received by step 5.7.
)   Repeat steps 4 through 6 until your heart is content.8.
)   Bring the Cubes together, and marvel that their faces are still identical to each other.I think the principle problem with "quantum teleportation" is that any measurement on one Cube which is not duplicated exactly on the other, breaks the entanglement of the particles.
They are only "entangled" in the sense that their states have been synchronized.
There may be avenues of recovering the synchronization using permutations of "measurements", but then I haven't read much about what occurs during an error or fault in measurement, so this is all just my best guess.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041252</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1265374200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, it also looks like the amount of energy doesn't have to be the exact same.<br>So if different amounts of energy could be sent  then they can be, interpreted as "ones" and "zeros"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , it also looks like the amount of energy does n't have to be the exact same.So if different amounts of energy could be sent then they can be , interpreted as " ones " and " zeros "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, it also looks like the amount of energy doesn't have to be the exact same.So if different amounts of energy could be sent  then they can be, interpreted as "ones" and "zeros"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042448</id>
	<title>Playing with fire...</title>
	<author>mcrbids</author>
	<datestamp>1265383140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>With this method, my colleagues could be buried deep underground in a sealed lab with no way of getting anything in or out except for a limited range of radio signals carried by equipment incapable of carrying high-power signals... and still I can "beam" them arbitrary amounts of energy straight into their lab just beaming energy into some particles in my lab and then telling them over the radio what to do in their lab to receive it.</i></p><p>OK, so let's say that you send them (via radio, or penguin-post, a flung shoebox, whatever) a series of expected time sequences that you will be transmitting data, minutes, hours, days, or weeks in advance. And then, at the expected times, you either send X joules of information, or not, indicating a binary state. (or perhaps you send anywhere from 1-10 joules of energy, indicating 10 possible information states)</p><p>In a way, you aren't sending any information faster than the speed of light, because the real information is being sent via penguin-post. But you could still instantly notify the other side that Obama won his 2nd election without having to wait for classical physics transmits that data, correct?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With this method , my colleagues could be buried deep underground in a sealed lab with no way of getting anything in or out except for a limited range of radio signals carried by equipment incapable of carrying high-power signals... and still I can " beam " them arbitrary amounts of energy straight into their lab just beaming energy into some particles in my lab and then telling them over the radio what to do in their lab to receive it.OK , so let 's say that you send them ( via radio , or penguin-post , a flung shoebox , whatever ) a series of expected time sequences that you will be transmitting data , minutes , hours , days , or weeks in advance .
And then , at the expected times , you either send X joules of information , or not , indicating a binary state .
( or perhaps you send anywhere from 1-10 joules of energy , indicating 10 possible information states ) In a way , you are n't sending any information faster than the speed of light , because the real information is being sent via penguin-post .
But you could still instantly notify the other side that Obama won his 2nd election without having to wait for classical physics transmits that data , correct ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With this method, my colleagues could be buried deep underground in a sealed lab with no way of getting anything in or out except for a limited range of radio signals carried by equipment incapable of carrying high-power signals... and still I can "beam" them arbitrary amounts of energy straight into their lab just beaming energy into some particles in my lab and then telling them over the radio what to do in their lab to receive it.OK, so let's say that you send them (via radio, or penguin-post, a flung shoebox, whatever) a series of expected time sequences that you will be transmitting data, minutes, hours, days, or weeks in advance.
And then, at the expected times, you either send X joules of information, or not, indicating a binary state.
(or perhaps you send anywhere from 1-10 joules of energy, indicating 10 possible information states)In a way, you aren't sending any information faster than the speed of light, because the real information is being sent via penguin-post.
But you could still instantly notify the other side that Obama won his 2nd election without having to wait for classical physics transmits that data, correct?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041022</id>
	<title>Wow.</title>
	<author>tool462</author>
	<datestamp>1265372700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Best.  Physics quote.  Ever.</p><p>"He gives the example of a string of entangled ions oscillating back and forth in an electric field trap, a bit like Newton's balls."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Best .
Physics quote .
Ever. " He gives the example of a string of entangled ions oscillating back and forth in an electric field trap , a bit like Newton 's balls .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Best.
Physics quote.
Ever."He gives the example of a string of entangled ions oscillating back and forth in an electric field trap, a bit like Newton's balls.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31057600</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>lennier</author>
	<datestamp>1265560980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Time is what you measure with a watch, and distance what you measure with a ruler?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Time is what you measure with a watch , and distance what you measure with a ruler ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Time is what you measure with a watch, and distance what you measure with a ruler?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042266</id>
	<title>There's an important subtlety here</title>
	<author>Interoperable</author>
	<datestamp>1265381760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the abstract of the article:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>   Protocols of quantum energy teleportation (QET), while retaining causality and local energy conservation, enable the transportation of energy from a subsystem of a many-body quantum system to a distant subsystem by local operations and classical communication through ground-state entanglement.</p></div><p>There's an important line in there: <i>while retaining [...] local energy conservation</i>. What lies at the heart of the proposal is that the measurement devices add or remove energy from the system that they are measuring. The energy is in no way removed from one location and given to another, spatially distant, location. What happens, is that a measurement device at one location gains energy from the quantum system and, based on the outcome of that measurement, the measurement device at the second location can be configured to lose energy into the quantum system at that location.</p><p>The thing to take away is that no energy is lost or gained at either location. Instead, the measurement devices at each location gain or lose energy to compensate changes in the energy of the system. This proposal is in no way a method to teleport energy in the intuitive sense; the total energy of the quantum system and measurement device at each end is conserved. The notion that measuring a system changes the energy of the state is very fundamental in quantum mechanics and is well understood. Honestly, there's nothing particularly new about it and the paper doesn't appear to be written to be submitted to a major journal.</p><p>This reinforces my opinion that people need to stop submitting papers they find on arXiv, especially single-author papers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the abstract of the article : Protocols of quantum energy teleportation ( QET ) , while retaining causality and local energy conservation , enable the transportation of energy from a subsystem of a many-body quantum system to a distant subsystem by local operations and classical communication through ground-state entanglement.There 's an important line in there : while retaining [ ... ] local energy conservation .
What lies at the heart of the proposal is that the measurement devices add or remove energy from the system that they are measuring .
The energy is in no way removed from one location and given to another , spatially distant , location .
What happens , is that a measurement device at one location gains energy from the quantum system and , based on the outcome of that measurement , the measurement device at the second location can be configured to lose energy into the quantum system at that location.The thing to take away is that no energy is lost or gained at either location .
Instead , the measurement devices at each location gain or lose energy to compensate changes in the energy of the system .
This proposal is in no way a method to teleport energy in the intuitive sense ; the total energy of the quantum system and measurement device at each end is conserved .
The notion that measuring a system changes the energy of the state is very fundamental in quantum mechanics and is well understood .
Honestly , there 's nothing particularly new about it and the paper does n't appear to be written to be submitted to a major journal.This reinforces my opinion that people need to stop submitting papers they find on arXiv , especially single-author papers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the abstract of the article:   Protocols of quantum energy teleportation (QET), while retaining causality and local energy conservation, enable the transportation of energy from a subsystem of a many-body quantum system to a distant subsystem by local operations and classical communication through ground-state entanglement.There's an important line in there: while retaining [...] local energy conservation.
What lies at the heart of the proposal is that the measurement devices add or remove energy from the system that they are measuring.
The energy is in no way removed from one location and given to another, spatially distant, location.
What happens, is that a measurement device at one location gains energy from the quantum system and, based on the outcome of that measurement, the measurement device at the second location can be configured to lose energy into the quantum system at that location.The thing to take away is that no energy is lost or gained at either location.
Instead, the measurement devices at each location gain or lose energy to compensate changes in the energy of the system.
This proposal is in no way a method to teleport energy in the intuitive sense; the total energy of the quantum system and measurement device at each end is conserved.
The notion that measuring a system changes the energy of the state is very fundamental in quantum mechanics and is well understood.
Honestly, there's nothing particularly new about it and the paper doesn't appear to be written to be submitted to a major journal.This reinforces my opinion that people need to stop submitting papers they find on arXiv, especially single-author papers.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041170</id>
	<title>Headline</title>
	<author>oldhack</author>
	<datestamp>1265373600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Man, I love the headline, whatever the details.  Even better, the scientist(s) is Japanese!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Man , I love the headline , whatever the details .
Even better , the scientist ( s ) is Japanese !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man, I love the headline, whatever the details.
Even better, the scientist(s) is Japanese!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041032</id>
	<title>fags, stop eating shit out of other faggot's asses</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265372760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>you dirty birds.</htmltext>
<tokenext>you dirty birds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you dirty birds.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041600</id>
	<title>Re:Positioning?</title>
	<author>youn</author>
	<datestamp>1265376780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>positioning you ask? welll it depends... I'd first start with position to turn on the particle, get it in excited state... then move towards &euro;missionary then work my way from here<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>positioning you ask ?
welll it depends... I 'd first start with position to turn on the particle , get it in excited state... then move towards    missionary then work my way from here : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>positioning you ask?
welll it depends... I'd first start with position to turn on the particle, get it in excited state... then move towards €missionary then work my way from here :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31043478</id>
	<title>Re:Just a theoretical preprint, premature to plug</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265393940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>The requirement for a telephone call might be negated somewhat by using a rules based approach to the measurement process.</p><p>Incidentally, this could also enable QE to transmit very basic binary information based on the excitation states. (then again, I could be full of shit, and probably am! lol!)</p><p>An initial telephone call establishes the connection, and after that, both experimenters adhere to a measurement framework:</p><p>Physicist A measures his particle and sees that it has spin up.  He calls is colleague and tells him to measure spin. Colleague reports that his particle is spin down. At this point, both physicist A and physicist B adhere to a testing protocol; The protocol dictates what Physicist A will do next, without having to tell physicist B, since Physicist B has the protocol documentation as well.  Thus, Physicist B already knows what Physicist A will try next with their pair of entangled particles. (For instance, induce an excitation of a XXX eV on his particle.) Physicist B then automatically knows to look for a purturbation in his particle's energy state, and by how much.</p><p>Once physicist B measures and records the energy fluctuation, he in turn manipulates the particle in a pre-defined manner, which physicist A is now looking for in his entangled partner, after having done his own manipulation earlier.</p><p>The two physicists do not communicate with each other in any way after the initial phone call to establish the initial relationship.  They continue to manipulate the particle according to the protocol, then begin monitoring afterward, after a pre-set period of time.</p><p>After several rounds of this protocol based experimentation, they transmit the results of their observations and the timestamps of when the observations were made, and when they manipulated their particles, and then compare the results.</p><p>This experiment is repeated many times to determine what the fidelity of the entanglement channel is.</p><p>After this point, the protocol is expanded to handle a kind of "Token Ring" based approach. Physicist A calls Physicist B, they evaluate what orientation each others particles are, then the new protocol dictates that A should "Send a message" by manipulating his particle in a predefined manner. Since this is an experiment, B already knows what the message will be, and how it will be encoded. He then monitors his particle for purturbations that correspond with the protocol and content of the message transmission.</p><p>He then waits the agreed time before sending his own message, which A already knows as well. (think, ICMP PING)</p><p>After vollying their messages over the particle pair, they call each other, and fax each other their observation data.</p><p>By analyzing the fidelity of these transmissions, a better protocol with error control can be derived.</p><p>This is where it gets interesting.  A calls B, they determine orientation, then A sends a previously undisclosed message, using the agreed and previously exchanged error correcting protocol.  B monitors the random fluctuations of his particle, until he detects that the random fluctuations correspond to the patterns predicted by the protocol, records the fluctuations, then decodes the message. He calls A, and verifies the message.</p><p>This is repeated several times.</p><p>The next experiment is A calling B, establishing orientation, and sending a private message containing instructions on how B is to manipulate his particle using the excitation protocol.  B intercepts the message, decodes it, then performs the manipulation.  A monitors his particle for the entangled result on his end. A and B call each other, and compare notes.</p><p>The final human experiment, has A and B establish orientation, then has A send yet another set of instructions to B. B decodes the message, follows them according to protocol, then sends his own set of instructions. This gets volleyed several times back and forth with unique instructions being sent each time.</p><p>A and B compare notes, and determine the reliability of the channel</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The requirement for a telephone call might be negated somewhat by using a rules based approach to the measurement process.Incidentally , this could also enable QE to transmit very basic binary information based on the excitation states .
( then again , I could be full of shit , and probably am !
lol ! ) An initial telephone call establishes the connection , and after that , both experimenters adhere to a measurement framework : Physicist A measures his particle and sees that it has spin up .
He calls is colleague and tells him to measure spin .
Colleague reports that his particle is spin down .
At this point , both physicist A and physicist B adhere to a testing protocol ; The protocol dictates what Physicist A will do next , without having to tell physicist B , since Physicist B has the protocol documentation as well .
Thus , Physicist B already knows what Physicist A will try next with their pair of entangled particles .
( For instance , induce an excitation of a XXX eV on his particle .
) Physicist B then automatically knows to look for a purturbation in his particle 's energy state , and by how much.Once physicist B measures and records the energy fluctuation , he in turn manipulates the particle in a pre-defined manner , which physicist A is now looking for in his entangled partner , after having done his own manipulation earlier.The two physicists do not communicate with each other in any way after the initial phone call to establish the initial relationship .
They continue to manipulate the particle according to the protocol , then begin monitoring afterward , after a pre-set period of time.After several rounds of this protocol based experimentation , they transmit the results of their observations and the timestamps of when the observations were made , and when they manipulated their particles , and then compare the results.This experiment is repeated many times to determine what the fidelity of the entanglement channel is.After this point , the protocol is expanded to handle a kind of " Token Ring " based approach .
Physicist A calls Physicist B , they evaluate what orientation each others particles are , then the new protocol dictates that A should " Send a message " by manipulating his particle in a predefined manner .
Since this is an experiment , B already knows what the message will be , and how it will be encoded .
He then monitors his particle for purturbations that correspond with the protocol and content of the message transmission.He then waits the agreed time before sending his own message , which A already knows as well .
( think , ICMP PING ) After vollying their messages over the particle pair , they call each other , and fax each other their observation data.By analyzing the fidelity of these transmissions , a better protocol with error control can be derived.This is where it gets interesting .
A calls B , they determine orientation , then A sends a previously undisclosed message , using the agreed and previously exchanged error correcting protocol .
B monitors the random fluctuations of his particle , until he detects that the random fluctuations correspond to the patterns predicted by the protocol , records the fluctuations , then decodes the message .
He calls A , and verifies the message.This is repeated several times.The next experiment is A calling B , establishing orientation , and sending a private message containing instructions on how B is to manipulate his particle using the excitation protocol .
B intercepts the message , decodes it , then performs the manipulation .
A monitors his particle for the entangled result on his end .
A and B call each other , and compare notes.The final human experiment , has A and B establish orientation , then has A send yet another set of instructions to B. B decodes the message , follows them according to protocol , then sends his own set of instructions .
This gets volleyed several times back and forth with unique instructions being sent each time.A and B compare notes , and determine the reliability of the channel</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The requirement for a telephone call might be negated somewhat by using a rules based approach to the measurement process.Incidentally, this could also enable QE to transmit very basic binary information based on the excitation states.
(then again, I could be full of shit, and probably am!
lol!)An initial telephone call establishes the connection, and after that, both experimenters adhere to a measurement framework:Physicist A measures his particle and sees that it has spin up.
He calls is colleague and tells him to measure spin.
Colleague reports that his particle is spin down.
At this point, both physicist A and physicist B adhere to a testing protocol; The protocol dictates what Physicist A will do next, without having to tell physicist B, since Physicist B has the protocol documentation as well.
Thus, Physicist B already knows what Physicist A will try next with their pair of entangled particles.
(For instance, induce an excitation of a XXX eV on his particle.
) Physicist B then automatically knows to look for a purturbation in his particle's energy state, and by how much.Once physicist B measures and records the energy fluctuation, he in turn manipulates the particle in a pre-defined manner, which physicist A is now looking for in his entangled partner, after having done his own manipulation earlier.The two physicists do not communicate with each other in any way after the initial phone call to establish the initial relationship.
They continue to manipulate the particle according to the protocol, then begin monitoring afterward, after a pre-set period of time.After several rounds of this protocol based experimentation, they transmit the results of their observations and the timestamps of when the observations were made, and when they manipulated their particles, and then compare the results.This experiment is repeated many times to determine what the fidelity of the entanglement channel is.After this point, the protocol is expanded to handle a kind of "Token Ring" based approach.
Physicist A calls Physicist B, they evaluate what orientation each others particles are, then the new protocol dictates that A should "Send a message" by manipulating his particle in a predefined manner.
Since this is an experiment, B already knows what the message will be, and how it will be encoded.
He then monitors his particle for purturbations that correspond with the protocol and content of the message transmission.He then waits the agreed time before sending his own message, which A already knows as well.
(think, ICMP PING)After vollying their messages over the particle pair, they call each other, and fax each other their observation data.By analyzing the fidelity of these transmissions, a better protocol with error control can be derived.This is where it gets interesting.
A calls B, they determine orientation, then A sends a previously undisclosed message, using the agreed and previously exchanged error correcting protocol.
B monitors the random fluctuations of his particle, until he detects that the random fluctuations correspond to the patterns predicted by the protocol, records the fluctuations, then decodes the message.
He calls A, and verifies the message.This is repeated several times.The next experiment is A calling B, establishing orientation, and sending a private message containing instructions on how B is to manipulate his particle using the excitation protocol.
B intercepts the message, decodes it, then performs the manipulation.
A monitors his particle for the entangled result on his end.
A and B call each other, and compare notes.The final human experiment, has A and B establish orientation, then has A send yet another set of instructions to B. B decodes the message, follows them according to protocol, then sends his own set of instructions.
This gets volleyed several times back and forth with unique instructions being sent each time.A and B compare notes, and determine the reliability of the channel</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041272</id>
	<title>yes, we know, it's called a Stargate</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265374320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MacGyver can help further<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MacGyver can help further .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MacGyver can help further ...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041610</id>
	<title>Not faster than light, but still teleportation</title>
	<author>Pfhorrest</author>
	<datestamp>1265376840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>People both here and on the linked blog article seem to be thinking that this "teleportation" talk is all about sending things from one place to another faster than light. That's not the big deal; it's already well-established that that cannot be done, at least not via quantum entanglement.<br><br>The breakthrough the article is talking about is moving energy from one place to another "instantly" by means of performing the right pair of measurements on both end; but the communication between ends about what measurements to make still happens at light speed or less.<br><br>For example, say I have a bunch of particles here on Earth and my colleagues on Mars have another bunch of particles entangled with mine. Mars is at the moment ten light-minutes away from each. On my end, I perform a measurement on (i.e. I interact with) my particles in a way which raises their energy from X joules to Y joules; I then send a radio transmission (with said transmission using less than Y-X joules) to my colleagues on Mars giving them instructions for what measurements to make on their end, i.e. I transmit information, in normal ways, at the speed of light or less.<br><br>Ten minutes later, my colleagues on Mars get my message, perform the measurement, and BAM, the energy of their particles jumps up to Y joules. The most efficient classical alternative for transmitting that (Y-X) joules of energy would be to beam a signal of said energy between the two points, but that requires a clear line of sight between them, or some set of relays capable of carrying that signal, each of which adds inefficiency to the transmission. An even less efficient, even more classical method would be to take whatever the energy is stored in here on Earth and physically move it to its destination, which is both much slower and much less energy-efficient.<br><br>With this method, my colleagues could be buried deep underground in a sealed lab with no way of getting anything in or out except for a limited range of radio signals carried by equipment incapable of carrying high-power signals... and still I can "beam" them arbitrary amounts of energy straight into their lab just beaming energy into some particles in my lab and then telling them over the radio what to do in their lab to receive it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>People both here and on the linked blog article seem to be thinking that this " teleportation " talk is all about sending things from one place to another faster than light .
That 's not the big deal ; it 's already well-established that that can not be done , at least not via quantum entanglement.The breakthrough the article is talking about is moving energy from one place to another " instantly " by means of performing the right pair of measurements on both end ; but the communication between ends about what measurements to make still happens at light speed or less.For example , say I have a bunch of particles here on Earth and my colleagues on Mars have another bunch of particles entangled with mine .
Mars is at the moment ten light-minutes away from each .
On my end , I perform a measurement on ( i.e .
I interact with ) my particles in a way which raises their energy from X joules to Y joules ; I then send a radio transmission ( with said transmission using less than Y-X joules ) to my colleagues on Mars giving them instructions for what measurements to make on their end , i.e .
I transmit information , in normal ways , at the speed of light or less.Ten minutes later , my colleagues on Mars get my message , perform the measurement , and BAM , the energy of their particles jumps up to Y joules .
The most efficient classical alternative for transmitting that ( Y-X ) joules of energy would be to beam a signal of said energy between the two points , but that requires a clear line of sight between them , or some set of relays capable of carrying that signal , each of which adds inefficiency to the transmission .
An even less efficient , even more classical method would be to take whatever the energy is stored in here on Earth and physically move it to its destination , which is both much slower and much less energy-efficient.With this method , my colleagues could be buried deep underground in a sealed lab with no way of getting anything in or out except for a limited range of radio signals carried by equipment incapable of carrying high-power signals... and still I can " beam " them arbitrary amounts of energy straight into their lab just beaming energy into some particles in my lab and then telling them over the radio what to do in their lab to receive it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People both here and on the linked blog article seem to be thinking that this "teleportation" talk is all about sending things from one place to another faster than light.
That's not the big deal; it's already well-established that that cannot be done, at least not via quantum entanglement.The breakthrough the article is talking about is moving energy from one place to another "instantly" by means of performing the right pair of measurements on both end; but the communication between ends about what measurements to make still happens at light speed or less.For example, say I have a bunch of particles here on Earth and my colleagues on Mars have another bunch of particles entangled with mine.
Mars is at the moment ten light-minutes away from each.
On my end, I perform a measurement on (i.e.
I interact with) my particles in a way which raises their energy from X joules to Y joules; I then send a radio transmission (with said transmission using less than Y-X joules) to my colleagues on Mars giving them instructions for what measurements to make on their end, i.e.
I transmit information, in normal ways, at the speed of light or less.Ten minutes later, my colleagues on Mars get my message, perform the measurement, and BAM, the energy of their particles jumps up to Y joules.
The most efficient classical alternative for transmitting that (Y-X) joules of energy would be to beam a signal of said energy between the two points, but that requires a clear line of sight between them, or some set of relays capable of carrying that signal, each of which adds inefficiency to the transmission.
An even less efficient, even more classical method would be to take whatever the energy is stored in here on Earth and physically move it to its destination, which is both much slower and much less energy-efficient.With this method, my colleagues could be buried deep underground in a sealed lab with no way of getting anything in or out except for a limited range of radio signals carried by equipment incapable of carrying high-power signals... and still I can "beam" them arbitrary amounts of energy straight into their lab just beaming energy into some particles in my lab and then telling them over the radio what to do in their lab to receive it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041644</id>
	<title>Re:Wow....</title>
	<author>nodd</author>
	<datestamp>1265377080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even if you could inject enough energy, you would need one transmitter for every battery in the world, since one particle can be only entangled to a single other particle.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if you could inject enough energy , you would need one transmitter for every battery in the world , since one particle can be only entangled to a single other particle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if you could inject enough energy, you would need one transmitter for every battery in the world, since one particle can be only entangled to a single other particle.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31044124</id>
	<title>Nope, not a practical way to transfer energy</title>
	<author>AniVisual</author>
	<datestamp>1265449320000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> From what I gather from the summary, you have to first measure the first particle, then measure the second in a way determined from the first particle. That means that firstly, you have to expend energy to separate the entangled particles, and secondly, you have to expend energy to transfer the information of the first measurement to the second measurement. So in effect, you have to expend a net of more energy <em>through conventional means, i.e. the receiver has to expend more energy than it gains through the energy teleportation.</em> That makes this technology for whatever possible future energy-reciever applications you've got there null'd. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From what I gather from the summary , you have to first measure the first particle , then measure the second in a way determined from the first particle .
That means that firstly , you have to expend energy to separate the entangled particles , and secondly , you have to expend energy to transfer the information of the first measurement to the second measurement .
So in effect , you have to expend a net of more energy through conventional means , i.e .
the receiver has to expend more energy than it gains through the energy teleportation .
That makes this technology for whatever possible future energy-reciever applications you 've got there null 'd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> From what I gather from the summary, you have to first measure the first particle, then measure the second in a way determined from the first particle.
That means that firstly, you have to expend energy to separate the entangled particles, and secondly, you have to expend energy to transfer the information of the first measurement to the second measurement.
So in effect, you have to expend a net of more energy through conventional means, i.e.
the receiver has to expend more energy than it gains through the energy teleportation.
That makes this technology for whatever possible future energy-reciever applications you've got there null'd. </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041466</id>
	<title>Re:Positioning?</title>
	<author>MJMullinII</author>
	<datestamp>1265375760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Exactly how do I get the 'second' particle to where I want the information to be retrieved?</p></div><p>I'm guessing that's the rub.  You'd most probably need to get said second particle to wherever you were wanting to transmit too the old fashion way (meaning anything you can manage below the speed of light), so it's not as cool as "Warp Drive", though assuming you are able to constantly communicate with the ship (were assuming space for the purposes of my example), you at least could be kept abreast of the trip the entire way to said destination.</p><p>That's kinds how it works today when laying fiber optic cable.  While you have to physically drag the cable to wherever your wanting a hookup, the cable is active the entire time of the trip.  The ship or transport can talk back to home-base while laying the cable (and in fact, they do keep in constant contact so as to know immediately is the cable gets severed in some way -- <i>you know, before they get a few hundred miles away from the break<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;) </i>)</p></div>
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<tokenext>Exactly how do I get the 'second ' particle to where I want the information to be retrieved ? I 'm guessing that 's the rub .
You 'd most probably need to get said second particle to wherever you were wanting to transmit too the old fashion way ( meaning anything you can manage below the speed of light ) , so it 's not as cool as " Warp Drive " , though assuming you are able to constantly communicate with the ship ( were assuming space for the purposes of my example ) , you at least could be kept abreast of the trip the entire way to said destination.That 's kinds how it works today when laying fiber optic cable .
While you have to physically drag the cable to wherever your wanting a hookup , the cable is active the entire time of the trip .
The ship or transport can talk back to home-base while laying the cable ( and in fact , they do keep in constant contact so as to know immediately is the cable gets severed in some way -- you know , before they get a few hundred miles away from the break ; ) )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly how do I get the 'second' particle to where I want the information to be retrieved?I'm guessing that's the rub.
You'd most probably need to get said second particle to wherever you were wanting to transmit too the old fashion way (meaning anything you can manage below the speed of light), so it's not as cool as "Warp Drive", though assuming you are able to constantly communicate with the ship (were assuming space for the purposes of my example), you at least could be kept abreast of the trip the entire way to said destination.That's kinds how it works today when laying fiber optic cable.
While you have to physically drag the cable to wherever your wanting a hookup, the cable is active the entire time of the trip.
The ship or transport can talk back to home-base while laying the cable (and in fact, they do keep in constant contact so as to know immediately is the cable gets severed in some way -- you know, before they get a few hundred miles away from the break ;) )
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041068</id>
	<title>Bingbing, holography!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265372940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the two entangled particles only appear in our holographic 3D space to be diverging, while on the actual 2D horizon they are still coherent, any form of 'spooky action at a distance' makes perfect sense. If you inject energy into one of the particles, it makes sense that this should be transferable to the other.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the two entangled particles only appear in our holographic 3D space to be diverging , while on the actual 2D horizon they are still coherent , any form of 'spooky action at a distance ' makes perfect sense .
If you inject energy into one of the particles , it makes sense that this should be transferable to the other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the two entangled particles only appear in our holographic 3D space to be diverging, while on the actual 2D horizon they are still coherent, any form of 'spooky action at a distance' makes perfect sense.
If you inject energy into one of the particles, it makes sense that this should be transferable to the other.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042282</id>
	<title>experiment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265381820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Newton's balls. Hee Hee</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Newton 's balls .
Hee Hee</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Newton's balls.
Hee Hee</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041476</id>
	<title>Re:Headline</title>
	<author>Grishnakh</author>
	<datestamp>1265375820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would that be a surprise?  What'd be a big surprise is if the scientist were American, since Americans aren't studying advanced science any more.</p><p>The Japanese are much more long-term thinking than the Americans, and their society still values science.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would that be a surprise ?
What 'd be a big surprise is if the scientist were American , since Americans are n't studying advanced science any more.The Japanese are much more long-term thinking than the Americans , and their society still values science .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would that be a surprise?
What'd be a big surprise is if the scientist were American, since Americans aren't studying advanced science any more.The Japanese are much more long-term thinking than the Americans, and their society still values science.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041758</id>
	<title>Re:Just a theoretical preprint, premature to plug</title>
	<author>ignavus</author>
	<datestamp>1265377680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you can instantly teleport energy to Alpha Centauri, but it would take over 4 years for your phone call to reach them, telling them about it?</p><p>And add another 8 years if they say "WHAT? Can't hear you."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you can instantly teleport energy to Alpha Centauri , but it would take over 4 years for your phone call to reach them , telling them about it ? And add another 8 years if they say " WHAT ?
Ca n't hear you .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you can instantly teleport energy to Alpha Centauri, but it would take over 4 years for your phone call to reach them, telling them about it?And add another 8 years if they say "WHAT?
Can't hear you.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042118</id>
	<title>zero point?</title>
	<author>davek</author>
	<datestamp>1265380560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Editors, I love ya, but if anyone on earth really did discover "how to teleport" anything, I'm pretty sure I'd be seeing it scroll by on the CNN news ticker right now.  It wouldn't be the first time<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. has scooped the media complex, but so far its been 2 hours since the story was posted, and I don't see any breaking news on Channel 6.  Seriously, enough with the sensationalist headlines.  Call me when you have my flying car or jet pack ready.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Editors , I love ya , but if anyone on earth really did discover " how to teleport " anything , I 'm pretty sure I 'd be seeing it scroll by on the CNN news ticker right now .
It would n't be the first time / .
has scooped the media complex , but so far its been 2 hours since the story was posted , and I do n't see any breaking news on Channel 6 .
Seriously , enough with the sensationalist headlines .
Call me when you have my flying car or jet pack ready .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Editors, I love ya, but if anyone on earth really did discover "how to teleport" anything, I'm pretty sure I'd be seeing it scroll by on the CNN news ticker right now.
It wouldn't be the first time /.
has scooped the media complex, but so far its been 2 hours since the story was posted, and I don't see any breaking news on Channel 6.
Seriously, enough with the sensationalist headlines.
Call me when you have my flying car or jet pack ready.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041178</id>
	<title>Just a theoretical preprint, premature to plug it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265373660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Speaking as a Physicist,  it seems the title should be " A physicist has posted a preprint in which he claims that "energy can be teleported"<br>(as opposed to beiing transmitted)." and someone has praised it in a blog post.</p><p>The astract says<br>"Protocols of quantum energy teleportation (QET), while retaining causality and local energy conservation, enable the transportation of energy from a subsystem of a many-body quantum system to a distant subsystem by local operations and classical communication through ground-state entanglement. We prove two energy-entanglement inequalities for a minimal QET model. These relations help us to gain a profound understanding of entanglement itself as a physical resource by relating entanglement to energy as an evident physical resource. "</p><p>note  "classical communication" (i.e. a telephone call from one place to another) to tell the recipient what to do to extract the energy is needed.</p><p>Note that an arxiv post is an assertion by an author, prior to any refereeing.    The are only minimal "fences" at arxiv.org to keep out the "Einstein was wrong, I am right" nuts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking as a Physicist , it seems the title should be " A physicist has posted a preprint in which he claims that " energy can be teleported " ( as opposed to beiing transmitted ) .
" and someone has praised it in a blog post.The astract says " Protocols of quantum energy teleportation ( QET ) , while retaining causality and local energy conservation , enable the transportation of energy from a subsystem of a many-body quantum system to a distant subsystem by local operations and classical communication through ground-state entanglement .
We prove two energy-entanglement inequalities for a minimal QET model .
These relations help us to gain a profound understanding of entanglement itself as a physical resource by relating entanglement to energy as an evident physical resource .
" note " classical communication " ( i.e .
a telephone call from one place to another ) to tell the recipient what to do to extract the energy is needed.Note that an arxiv post is an assertion by an author , prior to any refereeing .
The are only minimal " fences " at arxiv.org to keep out the " Einstein was wrong , I am right " nuts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking as a Physicist,  it seems the title should be " A physicist has posted a preprint in which he claims that "energy can be teleported"(as opposed to beiing transmitted).
" and someone has praised it in a blog post.The astract says"Protocols of quantum energy teleportation (QET), while retaining causality and local energy conservation, enable the transportation of energy from a subsystem of a many-body quantum system to a distant subsystem by local operations and classical communication through ground-state entanglement.
We prove two energy-entanglement inequalities for a minimal QET model.
These relations help us to gain a profound understanding of entanglement itself as a physical resource by relating entanglement to energy as an evident physical resource.
"note  "classical communication" (i.e.
a telephone call from one place to another) to tell the recipient what to do to extract the energy is needed.Note that an arxiv post is an assertion by an author, prior to any refereeing.
The are only minimal "fences" at arxiv.org to keep out the "Einstein was wrong, I am right" nuts.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31043172</id>
	<title>Re:Not faster than light, but still teleportation</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1265389980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You left out the detail, that one could still &ldquo;pre-measure&rdquo;/prepare a certain amount of entangled particles (with light-speed communication), and then later slowly use them up for &ldquo;instantaneous&ldquo; communication.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You left out the detail , that one could still    pre-measure    /prepare a certain amount of entangled particles ( with light-speed communication ) , and then later slowly use them up for    instantaneous    communication .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You left out the detail, that one could still “pre-measure”/prepare a certain amount of entangled particles (with light-speed communication), and then later slowly use them up for “instantaneous“ communication.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041610</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041660</id>
	<title>Teleporting hydrogen bombs</title>
	<author>cvtan</author>
	<datestamp>1265377140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If people figure out how to teleport troops or nuclear weapons into my basement it will be VERY BAD!  There have been a few sci-fi stories examining the impact of teleportation which I can't seem to remember.  Perhaps some literate slashdot members will enlighten us?  I would discuss this in greater detail, but there is a Homeland Security truck in front of my house and there is someone at the door...</htmltext>
<tokenext>If people figure out how to teleport troops or nuclear weapons into my basement it will be VERY BAD !
There have been a few sci-fi stories examining the impact of teleportation which I ca n't seem to remember .
Perhaps some literate slashdot members will enlighten us ?
I would discuss this in greater detail , but there is a Homeland Security truck in front of my house and there is someone at the door.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If people figure out how to teleport troops or nuclear weapons into my basement it will be VERY BAD!
There have been a few sci-fi stories examining the impact of teleportation which I can't seem to remember.
Perhaps some literate slashdot members will enlighten us?
I would discuss this in greater detail, but there is a Homeland Security truck in front of my house and there is someone at the door...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041188</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1265373720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't understand what the hell is going on, but it seems to me that if you can send energy someplace faster than the speed of light, that could be used to transmit "information".
</p><p>Assuming the energy increase is detectable and measurable, I could pre-arrange a system where  a particular increase in energy constituted a discrete signal.  All you need to do is to be able to detect the difference between "increase in energy" and "no increase in energy", and you basically have a bit.  Find a way to have a lot of bits, and suddenly you can have conventional data transmission.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand what the hell is going on , but it seems to me that if you can send energy someplace faster than the speed of light , that could be used to transmit " information " .
Assuming the energy increase is detectable and measurable , I could pre-arrange a system where a particular increase in energy constituted a discrete signal .
All you need to do is to be able to detect the difference between " increase in energy " and " no increase in energy " , and you basically have a bit .
Find a way to have a lot of bits , and suddenly you can have conventional data transmission .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't understand what the hell is going on, but it seems to me that if you can send energy someplace faster than the speed of light, that could be used to transmit "information".
Assuming the energy increase is detectable and measurable, I could pre-arrange a system where  a particular increase in energy constituted a discrete signal.
All you need to do is to be able to detect the difference between "increase in energy" and "no increase in energy", and you basically have a bit.
Find a way to have a lot of bits, and suddenly you can have conventional data transmission.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041096</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041084</id>
	<title>Interesting possibilities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265373000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>mobile devices of the future come with entangled "battery" pairs: plug one in at home an voila!  no more recharging...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>mobile devices of the future come with entangled " battery " pairs : plug one in at home an voila !
no more recharging.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mobile devices of the future come with entangled "battery" pairs: plug one in at home an voila!
no more recharging...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041162</id>
	<title>Practical application?</title>
	<author>geekprime</author>
	<datestamp>1265373600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So we can put the solar panels in a "close" solar orbit (or even earth orbit) and entangle/detangle  the power into our grid?</p><p>Will it FINALLY be power to cheap to meter?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So we can put the solar panels in a " close " solar orbit ( or even earth orbit ) and entangle/detangle the power into our grid ? Will it FINALLY be power to cheap to meter ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So we can put the solar panels in a "close" solar orbit (or even earth orbit) and entangle/detangle  the power into our grid?Will it FINALLY be power to cheap to meter?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041080</id>
	<title>Positioning?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265373000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly how do I get the 'second' particle to where I want the information to be retrieved?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly how do I get the 'second ' particle to where I want the information to be retrieved ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly how do I get the 'second' particle to where I want the information to be retrieved?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042410</id>
	<title>Re:In all honesty...</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1265382780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Does this mean that we could actually have space-based solar cells that are<br>&gt; just *magically* linked to the ground?</p><p>No. It is an interesting result but it has no implications for practical energy transport at all.  The word "teleportation" is used in its rather esoteric quantum-mechanical meaning which is quite different than the "commonplace" meaning of the word.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Does this mean that we could actually have space-based solar cells that are &gt; just * magically * linked to the ground ? No .
It is an interesting result but it has no implications for practical energy transport at all .
The word " teleportation " is used in its rather esoteric quantum-mechanical meaning which is quite different than the " commonplace " meaning of the word .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Does this mean that we could actually have space-based solar cells that are&gt; just *magically* linked to the ground?No.
It is an interesting result but it has no implications for practical energy transport at all.
The word "teleportation" is used in its rather esoteric quantum-mechanical meaning which is quite different than the "commonplace" meaning of the word.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041342</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041342</id>
	<title>In all honesty...</title>
	<author>Facegarden</author>
	<datestamp>1265374740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All I can sat is: Jesus, what the fuck? This is insane. This can't possibly be even close to as real as I think it is. Does this mean that we could actually have space-based solar cells that are just *magically* linked to the ground?<br>This is blowing my fucking mind.<br>-Taylor</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All I can sat is : Jesus , what the fuck ?
This is insane .
This ca n't possibly be even close to as real as I think it is .
Does this mean that we could actually have space-based solar cells that are just * magically * linked to the ground ? This is blowing my fucking mind.-Taylor</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All I can sat is: Jesus, what the fuck?
This is insane.
This can't possibly be even close to as real as I think it is.
Does this mean that we could actually have space-based solar cells that are just *magically* linked to the ground?This is blowing my fucking mind.-Taylor</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31043042</id>
	<title>Re:Not faster than light, but still teleportation</title>
	<author>sarkeizen</author>
	<datestamp>1265388780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I doubt it's actually saying what you claim...

But it's interesting that you recognize that you still need a classical channel to do this transfer but don't seem to realize that the classical channel, by your assumptions requires line-of-sight anyway.  So it's at least unclear that the transmission is either more efficient in either time or power transmitted.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt it 's actually saying what you claim.. . But it 's interesting that you recognize that you still need a classical channel to do this transfer but do n't seem to realize that the classical channel , by your assumptions requires line-of-sight anyway .
So it 's at least unclear that the transmission is either more efficient in either time or power transmitted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt it's actually saying what you claim...

But it's interesting that you recognize that you still need a classical channel to do this transfer but don't seem to realize that the classical channel, by your assumptions requires line-of-sight anyway.
So it's at least unclear that the transmission is either more efficient in either time or power transmitted.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041610</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041806</id>
	<title>Instatanious Digital Communication</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265377980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Using time sequencing you can now transfer binary data. Energy at this time code (i) no energy at this time code (0).</p><p>So you can now have real time control of distant space craft and rovers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Using time sequencing you can now transfer binary data .
Energy at this time code ( i ) no energy at this time code ( 0 ) .So you can now have real time control of distant space craft and rovers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using time sequencing you can now transfer binary data.
Energy at this time code (i) no energy at this time code (0).So you can now have real time control of distant space craft and rovers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31044592</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting possibilities</title>
	<author>maxwell demon</author>
	<datestamp>1265457900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wrong. You'll have to "recharge" it with new entangled particles, because the entanglement gets destroyed by teleportation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wrong .
You 'll have to " recharge " it with new entangled particles , because the entanglement gets destroyed by teleportation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wrong.
You'll have to "recharge" it with new entangled particles, because the entanglement gets destroyed by teleportation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041084</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041714</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>jbuck</author>
	<datestamp>1265377440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a matter o' fact, I can't right now think of ANY transmission of information that doesn't involve a transmission of energy.  however small it might be.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a matter o ' fact , I ca n't right now think of ANY transmission of information that does n't involve a transmission of energy .
however small it might be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a matter o' fact, I can't right now think of ANY transmission of information that doesn't involve a transmission of energy.
however small it might be.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041188</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042458</id>
	<title>Re:Not faster than light, but still teleportation</title>
	<author>DigiShaman</author>
	<datestamp>1265383200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not sure if it would work, but here's my thought. Feel free to shoot holes in it and explain why it would not work (or might work). I'll be intrigued either way...</p><p>Say I have two devices a few meters apart. Each devices transmits/receives measurements along with capturing energy in a usable form (electricity). I now turn them on and both are now transferring power. Now add into the mix that I modulate the electricity in such a way as to be encoded/decoded as a form of binary communication. Further more, real-time measurements can be transmitted/received along the binary data stream.</p><p>I now take one of the devices (still powered on and in "sync") and deliver it to my colleagues on Mars. Now we have instant FTL communication AND deliverable power to boot.</p><p>I can see a problem however. If one of the devices fails for even a moment, both devices would have to be brought back physically together to re-establish a paired connection. Could this work?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not sure if it would work , but here 's my thought .
Feel free to shoot holes in it and explain why it would not work ( or might work ) .
I 'll be intrigued either way...Say I have two devices a few meters apart .
Each devices transmits/receives measurements along with capturing energy in a usable form ( electricity ) .
I now turn them on and both are now transferring power .
Now add into the mix that I modulate the electricity in such a way as to be encoded/decoded as a form of binary communication .
Further more , real-time measurements can be transmitted/received along the binary data stream.I now take one of the devices ( still powered on and in " sync " ) and deliver it to my colleagues on Mars .
Now we have instant FTL communication AND deliverable power to boot.I can see a problem however .
If one of the devices fails for even a moment , both devices would have to be brought back physically together to re-establish a paired connection .
Could this work ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not sure if it would work, but here's my thought.
Feel free to shoot holes in it and explain why it would not work (or might work).
I'll be intrigued either way...Say I have two devices a few meters apart.
Each devices transmits/receives measurements along with capturing energy in a usable form (electricity).
I now turn them on and both are now transferring power.
Now add into the mix that I modulate the electricity in such a way as to be encoded/decoded as a form of binary communication.
Further more, real-time measurements can be transmitted/received along the binary data stream.I now take one of the devices (still powered on and in "sync") and deliver it to my colleagues on Mars.
Now we have instant FTL communication AND deliverable power to boot.I can see a problem however.
If one of the devices fails for even a moment, both devices would have to be brought back physically together to re-establish a paired connection.
Could this work?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041610</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041306</id>
	<title>Re:Life Imitates Video Games</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1265374500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except it can't and that's not this. Other then that, you are spot on...this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except it ca n't and that 's not this .
Other then that , you are spot on...this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except it can't and that's not this.
Other then that, you are spot on...this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041076</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041724</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1265377440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't understand what the hell is going on, but it seems to me that if you can send energy someplace faster than the speed of light, that could be used to transmit "information".</p></div><p>In this case, you have to "measure" the particle in a particular way to retrieve the energy, and that way depends on what happened to the particle on the other side while the energy is being "pumped in" (so you cannot know in advance). So there needs to be an existing information channel to transmit the information on exact way of measurement that needs to be performed, which obeys the usual rules.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand what the hell is going on , but it seems to me that if you can send energy someplace faster than the speed of light , that could be used to transmit " information " .In this case , you have to " measure " the particle in a particular way to retrieve the energy , and that way depends on what happened to the particle on the other side while the energy is being " pumped in " ( so you can not know in advance ) .
So there needs to be an existing information channel to transmit the information on exact way of measurement that needs to be performed , which obeys the usual rules .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't understand what the hell is going on, but it seems to me that if you can send energy someplace faster than the speed of light, that could be used to transmit "information".In this case, you have to "measure" the particle in a particular way to retrieve the energy, and that way depends on what happened to the particle on the other side while the energy is being "pumped in" (so you cannot know in advance).
So there needs to be an existing information channel to transmit the information on exact way of measurement that needs to be performed, which obeys the usual rules.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041188</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042130</id>
	<title>Fusion</title>
	<author>Titan1080</author>
	<datestamp>1265380740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If this becomes practical, will we not even need to create fusion? Can't we just teleport energy from the sun?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If this becomes practical , will we not even need to create fusion ?
Ca n't we just teleport energy from the sun ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this becomes practical, will we not even need to create fusion?
Can't we just teleport energy from the sun?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042614</id>
	<title>teleportation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265384820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How long until I can say "beam me up Scotty?"</htmltext>
<tokenext>How long until I can say " beam me up Scotty ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How long until I can say "beam me up Scotty?
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041042</id>
	<title>Wow....</title>
	<author>Cheerio Boy</author>
	<datestamp>1265372760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you can inject enough energy into the process this could in theory be the replacement for batteries.  This is provided you could make a giant transmitter that sends to the receiving devices.  (Or possibly battery replacement modules?)<br> <br>This is provided the technology isn't only "ten years away" or so.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you can inject enough energy into the process this could in theory be the replacement for batteries .
This is provided you could make a giant transmitter that sends to the receiving devices .
( Or possibly battery replacement modules ?
) This is provided the technology is n't only " ten years away " or so .
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can inject enough energy into the process this could in theory be the replacement for batteries.
This is provided you could make a giant transmitter that sends to the receiving devices.
(Or possibly battery replacement modules?
) This is provided the technology isn't only "ten years away" or so.
;-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31061696</id>
	<title>and yet...</title>
	<author>DarthVain</author>
	<datestamp>1265651160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>still no giant robots. For shame Japan, for shame.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>still no giant robots .
For shame Japan , for shame .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>still no giant robots.
For shame Japan, for shame.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042530</id>
	<title>Re:Instatanious Digital Communication</title>
	<author>Bratmon</author>
	<datestamp>1265383860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>And starships.  With or without prior knowledge. (Ender Wiggin)</htmltext>
<tokenext>And starships .
With or without prior knowledge .
( Ender Wiggin )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And starships.
With or without prior knowledge.
(Ender Wiggin)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041806</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041540</id>
	<title>Who's calling please? oops sorry wrong number.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265376300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Generation Ship!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Generation Ship !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Generation Ship!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31050030</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1265473380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>In this case, you have to "measure" the particle in a particular way to retrieve the energy, and that way depends on what happened to the particle on the other side while the energy is being "pumped in" (so you cannot know in advance).</i></p><p>This is the part of this that always confuses me - do you happen to know why regular (clock-based) particle manipulations on the 'sending' side wouldn't work?  Perturbations of the pattern of measurements could be used for signaling (he says naively).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In this case , you have to " measure " the particle in a particular way to retrieve the energy , and that way depends on what happened to the particle on the other side while the energy is being " pumped in " ( so you can not know in advance ) .This is the part of this that always confuses me - do you happen to know why regular ( clock-based ) particle manipulations on the 'sending ' side would n't work ?
Perturbations of the pattern of measurements could be used for signaling ( he says naively ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In this case, you have to "measure" the particle in a particular way to retrieve the energy, and that way depends on what happened to the particle on the other side while the energy is being "pumped in" (so you cannot know in advance).This is the part of this that always confuses me - do you happen to know why regular (clock-based) particle manipulations on the 'sending' side wouldn't work?
Perturbations of the pattern of measurements could be used for signaling (he says naively).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041620</id>
	<title>Re:video game imitates book</title>
	<author>grayshirtninja</author>
	<datestamp>1265376900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rocannon's World did it before Hyperion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rocannon 's World did it before Hyperion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rocannon's World did it before Hyperion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041076</id>
	<title>Life Imitates Video Games</title>
	<author>TyIzaeL</author>
	<datestamp>1265373000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I recall, in Mass Effect 2 they used entangled particles for instantaneous long-distance transmission across the galaxy!</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I recall , in Mass Effect 2 they used entangled particles for instantaneous long-distance transmission across the galaxy !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I recall, in Mass Effect 2 they used entangled particles for instantaneous long-distance transmission across the galaxy!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042690</id>
	<title>Re:Not faster than light, but still teleportation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265385540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For example, say I have a bunch of particles here on Earth and my colleagues on Mars have another bunch of particles entangled with mine. Mars is at the moment ten light-minutes away from each. On my end, I perform a measurement on (i.e. I interact with) my particles in a way which raises their energy from X joules to Y joules; I then send a radio transmission (with said transmission using less than Y-X joules) to my colleagues on Mars giving them instructions for what measurements to make on their end, i.e. I transmit information, in normal ways, at the speed of light or less.</p></div><p>What if, instead of using radio to tell them what measurement to take, both sides just agree to undertake a predetermined set of measurements at set times 1 minute apart?  Or would it be impossible to predetermine the action the Martians need to take?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For example , say I have a bunch of particles here on Earth and my colleagues on Mars have another bunch of particles entangled with mine .
Mars is at the moment ten light-minutes away from each .
On my end , I perform a measurement on ( i.e .
I interact with ) my particles in a way which raises their energy from X joules to Y joules ; I then send a radio transmission ( with said transmission using less than Y-X joules ) to my colleagues on Mars giving them instructions for what measurements to make on their end , i.e .
I transmit information , in normal ways , at the speed of light or less.What if , instead of using radio to tell them what measurement to take , both sides just agree to undertake a predetermined set of measurements at set times 1 minute apart ?
Or would it be impossible to predetermine the action the Martians need to take ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For example, say I have a bunch of particles here on Earth and my colleagues on Mars have another bunch of particles entangled with mine.
Mars is at the moment ten light-minutes away from each.
On my end, I perform a measurement on (i.e.
I interact with) my particles in a way which raises their energy from X joules to Y joules; I then send a radio transmission (with said transmission using less than Y-X joules) to my colleagues on Mars giving them instructions for what measurements to make on their end, i.e.
I transmit information, in normal ways, at the speed of light or less.What if, instead of using radio to tell them what measurement to take, both sides just agree to undertake a predetermined set of measurements at set times 1 minute apart?
Or would it be impossible to predetermine the action the Martians need to take?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041220</id>
	<title>Saudi Naughty</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1265373960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does this mean we can finally get away from funding M.E. terrorists and get our energy directly from planet Zoofnin?<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this mean we can finally get away from funding M.E .
terrorists and get our energy directly from planet Zoofnin ?
   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this mean we can finally get away from funding M.E.
terrorists and get our energy directly from planet Zoofnin?
   </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041402</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265375280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>f you can transmit energy, then why can't you transmit energy in pulses that inherently transmit information?</p><p>The telegraph transmitted electricity (i.e., energy) across a wire that created information, after all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>f you can transmit energy , then why ca n't you transmit energy in pulses that inherently transmit information ? The telegraph transmitted electricity ( i.e. , energy ) across a wire that created information , after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>f you can transmit energy, then why can't you transmit energy in pulses that inherently transmit information?The telegraph transmitted electricity (i.e., energy) across a wire that created information, after all.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041230</id>
	<title>Re:Life Imitates Video Games</title>
	<author>neokushan</author>
	<datestamp>1265374020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, according to the lore they use entangled particles as a form of long range communication. EDI (Tricia Heifer of BSG fame) goes into some detail about how it works, which isn't that different from how the article here describes it.</p><p>Bioware deserve points for doing that kind of research into the game.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , according to the lore they use entangled particles as a form of long range communication .
EDI ( Tricia Heifer of BSG fame ) goes into some detail about how it works , which is n't that different from how the article here describes it.Bioware deserve points for doing that kind of research into the game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, according to the lore they use entangled particles as a form of long range communication.
EDI (Tricia Heifer of BSG fame) goes into some detail about how it works, which isn't that different from how the article here describes it.Bioware deserve points for doing that kind of research into the game.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31043794</id>
	<title>Re:Consistent Histories?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265398620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>" And the information is carried via entanglement using a perfectly ordinary beam of particles: if you were to stick your hand into the space through which information is being "teleported" the perfectly ordinary classical carrier particles would burn a hole through it."</p><p>But isn't it interesting that this is all happening faster than light?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" And the information is carried via entanglement using a perfectly ordinary beam of particles : if you were to stick your hand into the space through which information is being " teleported " the perfectly ordinary classical carrier particles would burn a hole through it .
" But is n't it interesting that this is all happening faster than light ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>" And the information is carried via entanglement using a perfectly ordinary beam of particles: if you were to stick your hand into the space through which information is being "teleported" the perfectly ordinary classical carrier particles would burn a hole through it.
"But isn't it interesting that this is all happening faster than light?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31043620</id>
	<title>Re:Not faster than light, but still teleportation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265396160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What happens when people start stealing your martian buddy's energy before he fiddles his atoms up down left foot in and right foot out to unlock the stored energy?</p><p>Energy hackers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when people start stealing your martian buddy 's energy before he fiddles his atoms up down left foot in and right foot out to unlock the stored energy ? Energy hackers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when people start stealing your martian buddy's energy before he fiddles his atoms up down left foot in and right foot out to unlock the stored energy?Energy hackers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31042138</id>
	<title>Boon for hard science fiction writers!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265380800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Imagine for a moment, that you build a dyson sphere around a small ( lets say, asteroid sized event horizon) black hole, which has a single aperature through which you can feed it.  Near this aperature, is an energy collection system (lets be imaginative here, afterall-- this is a thought experiment.) which extracts the obscene energy released by the matter flow as it gets constricted from gravitational influences of the black hole, and begins to emit high intensity X-rays, gamma rays, black body radiation, and the like.</p><p>Since the black hole is naturally deleterious to any habitable/habitated area, simply because of the chaos its gravity well would cause, you need a way to transmit this obscene amount of energy to the population center, which could be several tens, or even hundreds of light years away.</p><p>If you use this energy entanglement transfer mechanism, you can transfer this absurd amount of energy to the population center at the speed of light, with a very tiny fraction of the losses incured by trying to beam it there, and without any of the line-of-sight issues.</p><p>EG, a single power plant on the planet's surface would have access to the full power of the black hole power plant. Moreover, the energy produced by the black hole plant, and transported to the planet in this way, could maintain the entanglement states at both ends.</p><p>Such a solution would safely provide nearly unlimited power to said hypothetical civilization, and do so for billions of years. (assuming that the power plants are maintained.)</p><p>Forget ZPMs-- You could drive planet building machinery with this approach.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Imagine for a moment , that you build a dyson sphere around a small ( lets say , asteroid sized event horizon ) black hole , which has a single aperature through which you can feed it .
Near this aperature , is an energy collection system ( lets be imaginative here , afterall-- this is a thought experiment .
) which extracts the obscene energy released by the matter flow as it gets constricted from gravitational influences of the black hole , and begins to emit high intensity X-rays , gamma rays , black body radiation , and the like.Since the black hole is naturally deleterious to any habitable/habitated area , simply because of the chaos its gravity well would cause , you need a way to transmit this obscene amount of energy to the population center , which could be several tens , or even hundreds of light years away.If you use this energy entanglement transfer mechanism , you can transfer this absurd amount of energy to the population center at the speed of light , with a very tiny fraction of the losses incured by trying to beam it there , and without any of the line-of-sight issues.EG , a single power plant on the planet 's surface would have access to the full power of the black hole power plant .
Moreover , the energy produced by the black hole plant , and transported to the planet in this way , could maintain the entanglement states at both ends.Such a solution would safely provide nearly unlimited power to said hypothetical civilization , and do so for billions of years .
( assuming that the power plants are maintained .
) Forget ZPMs-- You could drive planet building machinery with this approach .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Imagine for a moment, that you build a dyson sphere around a small ( lets say, asteroid sized event horizon) black hole, which has a single aperature through which you can feed it.
Near this aperature, is an energy collection system (lets be imaginative here, afterall-- this is a thought experiment.
) which extracts the obscene energy released by the matter flow as it gets constricted from gravitational influences of the black hole, and begins to emit high intensity X-rays, gamma rays, black body radiation, and the like.Since the black hole is naturally deleterious to any habitable/habitated area, simply because of the chaos its gravity well would cause, you need a way to transmit this obscene amount of energy to the population center, which could be several tens, or even hundreds of light years away.If you use this energy entanglement transfer mechanism, you can transfer this absurd amount of energy to the population center at the speed of light, with a very tiny fraction of the losses incured by trying to beam it there, and without any of the line-of-sight issues.EG, a single power plant on the planet's surface would have access to the full power of the black hole power plant.
Moreover, the energy produced by the black hole plant, and transported to the planet in this way, could maintain the entanglement states at both ends.Such a solution would safely provide nearly unlimited power to said hypothetical civilization, and do so for billions of years.
(assuming that the power plants are maintained.
)Forget ZPMs-- You could drive planet building machinery with this approach.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31043582</id>
	<title>Why This Won't Work</title>
	<author>pipingguy</author>
	<datestamp>1265395560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>It would be great to be able to beam your molecules across space and then reassemble them. The only problem is that you have to trust your co-worker to operate the transporter. These are the same people who won't add paper to the photocopier or make a new pot of coffee after taking the last drop. I don't think they'll be double-checking the transporter coordinates. They'll be accidentally beaming people into walls, pets, and furniture. People will spend all their time apologizing for having inanimate objects protruding from parts of their bodies. </i> <br> <br>

<a href="http://monster-island.org/tinashumor/humor/treklife.html" title="monster-island.org" rel="nofollow">http://monster-island.org/tinashumor/humor/treklife.html</a> [monster-island.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be great to be able to beam your molecules across space and then reassemble them .
The only problem is that you have to trust your co-worker to operate the transporter .
These are the same people who wo n't add paper to the photocopier or make a new pot of coffee after taking the last drop .
I do n't think they 'll be double-checking the transporter coordinates .
They 'll be accidentally beaming people into walls , pets , and furniture .
People will spend all their time apologizing for having inanimate objects protruding from parts of their bodies .
http : //monster-island.org/tinashumor/humor/treklife.html [ monster-island.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be great to be able to beam your molecules across space and then reassemble them.
The only problem is that you have to trust your co-worker to operate the transporter.
These are the same people who won't add paper to the photocopier or make a new pot of coffee after taking the last drop.
I don't think they'll be double-checking the transporter coordinates.
They'll be accidentally beaming people into walls, pets, and furniture.
People will spend all their time apologizing for having inanimate objects protruding from parts of their bodies.
http://monster-island.org/tinashumor/humor/treklife.html [monster-island.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041094</id>
	<title>I thought quantum entanglement didn't transport</title>
	<author>NotSoHeavyD3</author>
	<datestamp>1265373060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Information. Well I mean besides the states of the 2 entangled particles. (You look at one, it's state is set and therefore the entangled particle gets it state set.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Information .
Well I mean besides the states of the 2 entangled particles .
( You look at one , it 's state is set and therefore the entangled particle gets it state set .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Information.
Well I mean besides the states of the 2 entangled particles.
(You look at one, it's state is set and therefore the entangled particle gets it state set.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31076074</id>
	<title>quantum disentanglement</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265745960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>can anyone say mass effect 2? quantum disentanglement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>can anyone say mass effect 2 ?
quantum disentanglement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>can anyone say mass effect 2?
quantum disentanglement.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041784</id>
	<title>Re:Just a theoretical preprint, premature to plug</title>
	<author>HeronBlademaster</author>
	<datestamp>1265377860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>note "classical communication" (i.e. a telephone call from one place to another) to tell the recipient what to do to extract the energy is needed.</p></div><p>Yeah, but that doesn't make it useless.  For example, imagine your television came with an entangled remote control, and it communciates the necessary information "classically" with one of any available low-power wireless transmission methods.  The remote can then use whatever power it needs through its "entanglement battery".  There you go, a remote control that never needs new batteries.</p><p>I'm just extrapolating, assuming that you actually can "teleport" useful amounts of energy wirelessly through this process, so I have no idea whether it would actually work, but the need to communicate information through classical channels does not mean the whole concept is worthless.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>note " classical communication " ( i.e .
a telephone call from one place to another ) to tell the recipient what to do to extract the energy is needed.Yeah , but that does n't make it useless .
For example , imagine your television came with an entangled remote control , and it communciates the necessary information " classically " with one of any available low-power wireless transmission methods .
The remote can then use whatever power it needs through its " entanglement battery " .
There you go , a remote control that never needs new batteries.I 'm just extrapolating , assuming that you actually can " teleport " useful amounts of energy wirelessly through this process , so I have no idea whether it would actually work , but the need to communicate information through classical channels does not mean the whole concept is worthless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>note "classical communication" (i.e.
a telephone call from one place to another) to tell the recipient what to do to extract the energy is needed.Yeah, but that doesn't make it useless.
For example, imagine your television came with an entangled remote control, and it communciates the necessary information "classically" with one of any available low-power wireless transmission methods.
The remote can then use whatever power it needs through its "entanglement battery".
There you go, a remote control that never needs new batteries.I'm just extrapolating, assuming that you actually can "teleport" useful amounts of energy wirelessly through this process, so I have no idea whether it would actually work, but the need to communicate information through classical channels does not mean the whole concept is worthless.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_2239256.31041112</id>
	<title>Trying to entangle my brain to become inmortal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265373180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But I need another brain without any use. The problem is that I don't want to reincarnate into Paris Hilton body.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But I need another brain without any use .
The problem is that I do n't want to reincarnate into Paris Hilton body .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But I need another brain without any use.
The problem is that I don't want to reincarnate into Paris Hilton body.</sentencetext>
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