<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_03_0013257</id>
	<title>Microsoft Looking Into Windows 7 Battery Failures</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1265202600000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Jared writes <i>"Microsoft says it is <a href="http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/02/microsoft-looking-into-windows-7-battery-life-failures.ars">investigating reports of notebooks with poor battery life with Windows 7</a>, as first reported by users on Microsoft TechNet. These users claim their batteries were working just fine under Windows XP and/or Windows Vista, and others are saying that battery problems occur on their new Windows 7 PCs. Under Win7, certain machines spit out the following warning message: 'Consider replacing your battery. There is a problem with your battery, so your computer might shut down suddenly.' The warning is normally issued after using the computer's BIOS to determine whether a battery needs replacement, but in this case it appears the operating system and not the battery is the problem. These customers say their PC's battery life is noticeably lower, with some going as far as to say that it has become completely unusable after a few weeks. To make matters worse, others are reporting that downgrading to an earlier version of Windows doesn't fix the problem."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jared writes " Microsoft says it is investigating reports of notebooks with poor battery life with Windows 7 , as first reported by users on Microsoft TechNet .
These users claim their batteries were working just fine under Windows XP and/or Windows Vista , and others are saying that battery problems occur on their new Windows 7 PCs .
Under Win7 , certain machines spit out the following warning message : 'Consider replacing your battery .
There is a problem with your battery , so your computer might shut down suddenly .
' The warning is normally issued after using the computer 's BIOS to determine whether a battery needs replacement , but in this case it appears the operating system and not the battery is the problem .
These customers say their PC 's battery life is noticeably lower , with some going as far as to say that it has become completely unusable after a few weeks .
To make matters worse , others are reporting that downgrading to an earlier version of Windows does n't fix the problem .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jared writes "Microsoft says it is investigating reports of notebooks with poor battery life with Windows 7, as first reported by users on Microsoft TechNet.
These users claim their batteries were working just fine under Windows XP and/or Windows Vista, and others are saying that battery problems occur on their new Windows 7 PCs.
Under Win7, certain machines spit out the following warning message: 'Consider replacing your battery.
There is a problem with your battery, so your computer might shut down suddenly.
' The warning is normally issued after using the computer's BIOS to determine whether a battery needs replacement, but in this case it appears the operating system and not the battery is the problem.
These customers say their PC's battery life is noticeably lower, with some going as far as to say that it has become completely unusable after a few weeks.
To make matters worse, others are reporting that downgrading to an earlier version of Windows doesn't fix the problem.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31011834</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>ais523</author>
	<datestamp>1264961520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Part of the issue with Li-ion batteries is that in order to avoid losing maximum capacity, they're best stored at 40\% charge and in a refrigerator. This is not a typical storage condition for a laptop battery. (It wouldn't at all surprise me if it was the storage condition that the manufacturers announced their life based on, though.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Part of the issue with Li-ion batteries is that in order to avoid losing maximum capacity , they 're best stored at 40 \ % charge and in a refrigerator .
This is not a typical storage condition for a laptop battery .
( It would n't at all surprise me if it was the storage condition that the manufacturers announced their life based on , though .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Part of the issue with Li-ion batteries is that in order to avoid losing maximum capacity, they're best stored at 40\% charge and in a refrigerator.
This is not a typical storage condition for a laptop battery.
(It wouldn't at all surprise me if it was the storage condition that the manufacturers announced their life based on, though.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009124</id>
	<title>Re:Too much Windows open</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264950180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>one game of minesweeper versus 10 internet browser tabs loading gigapixel images?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>one game of minesweeper versus 10 internet browser tabs loading gigapixel images ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>one game of minesweeper versus 10 internet browser tabs loading gigapixel images?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009320</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264951200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ah, the old marketing one-two team play.
<p>

VanHalensing sets up the strawman, you knock it down.
</p><p>
Classic stuff from the Win 7 team, as usual. You guys are consummate professionals.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , the old marketing one-two team play .
VanHalensing sets up the strawman , you knock it down .
Classic stuff from the Win 7 team , as usual .
You guys are consummate professionals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, the old marketing one-two team play.
VanHalensing sets up the strawman, you knock it down.
Classic stuff from the Win 7 team, as usual.
You guys are consummate professionals.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31011044</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264958460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been wondering what Dell did with their batteries 7 years ago as the three batteries for my Inspiron 600m still have 2 hours of usable battery life. I haven't done anything particular, one of the batteries saw almost no use in 6 of those years, one got used about half the time and the other one was always sitting in the latop, and yet they all have the same life left. I'm still not sure why but I'm not going to complain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been wondering what Dell did with their batteries 7 years ago as the three batteries for my Inspiron 600m still have 2 hours of usable battery life .
I have n't done anything particular , one of the batteries saw almost no use in 6 of those years , one got used about half the time and the other one was always sitting in the latop , and yet they all have the same life left .
I 'm still not sure why but I 'm not going to complain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been wondering what Dell did with their batteries 7 years ago as the three batteries for my Inspiron 600m still have 2 hours of usable battery life.
I haven't done anything particular, one of the batteries saw almost no use in 6 of those years, one got used about half the time and the other one was always sitting in the latop, and yet they all have the same life left.
I'm still not sure why but I'm not going to complain.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31012944</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>Totenglocke</author>
	<datestamp>1264966320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agreed.  I've been using Win 7 on my laptop since the beta came out - the battery was already going bad (POS HP batteries) before I installed Win 7 and I got the replace battery message last night - but I knew before I installed Win 7 that my battery was down to only about 40\% of it's original capacity.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
I 've been using Win 7 on my laptop since the beta came out - the battery was already going bad ( POS HP batteries ) before I installed Win 7 and I got the replace battery message last night - but I knew before I installed Win 7 that my battery was down to only about 40 \ % of it 's original capacity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
I've been using Win 7 on my laptop since the beta came out - the battery was already going bad (POS HP batteries) before I installed Win 7 and I got the replace battery message last night - but I knew before I installed Win 7 that my battery was down to only about 40\% of it's original capacity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008806</id>
	<title>Re:Not experience this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264948140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If software has anything to do with battery charging it can kill a battery in short order simply by overcharging. If you charge a Li-Poly battery above 4.2 volts for any length of time, it's about the same as driving a screwdriver through the battery pack.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If software has anything to do with battery charging it can kill a battery in short order simply by overcharging .
If you charge a Li-Poly battery above 4.2 volts for any length of time , it 's about the same as driving a screwdriver through the battery pack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If software has anything to do with battery charging it can kill a battery in short order simply by overcharging.
If you charge a Li-Poly battery above 4.2 volts for any length of time, it's about the same as driving a screwdriver through the battery pack.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31016380</id>
	<title>but but but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264939380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought Windows 7 was "The best version of Windows EVAR!!11oneone"</p><p>You mean to tell me that a new operating system won't boost my battery life twice over and at the same time, double overall system performance?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought Windows 7 was " The best version of Windows EVAR !
! 11oneone " You mean to tell me that a new operating system wo n't boost my battery life twice over and at the same time , double overall system performance ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought Windows 7 was "The best version of Windows EVAR!
!11oneone"You mean to tell me that a new operating system won't boost my battery life twice over and at the same time, double overall system performance?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009572</id>
	<title>software effecting battery</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264952640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A lot of remarks about the OS not able to effect battery life. I felt the same way (someone already linked a wikipedia article to it I see) until I ran into this issue. I had a user with a Dell Latitude 820 using Vista that wanted to upgrade to 7. As soon as he did the battery would not longer charge while the computer was powered on. He never got the message described in the article. Shut down his laptop, and the battery started to charge again. It really baffled me at first, but it opened my eyes up to the fact that software, particularly the OS and drivers, can have a profound effect on the battery. All this time I thought battery usage was completely dependent on hardware.</p><p>BTW, the user went back to Vista and everything works fine again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of remarks about the OS not able to effect battery life .
I felt the same way ( someone already linked a wikipedia article to it I see ) until I ran into this issue .
I had a user with a Dell Latitude 820 using Vista that wanted to upgrade to 7 .
As soon as he did the battery would not longer charge while the computer was powered on .
He never got the message described in the article .
Shut down his laptop , and the battery started to charge again .
It really baffled me at first , but it opened my eyes up to the fact that software , particularly the OS and drivers , can have a profound effect on the battery .
All this time I thought battery usage was completely dependent on hardware.BTW , the user went back to Vista and everything works fine again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of remarks about the OS not able to effect battery life.
I felt the same way (someone already linked a wikipedia article to it I see) until I ran into this issue.
I had a user with a Dell Latitude 820 using Vista that wanted to upgrade to 7.
As soon as he did the battery would not longer charge while the computer was powered on.
He never got the message described in the article.
Shut down his laptop, and the battery started to charge again.
It really baffled me at first, but it opened my eyes up to the fact that software, particularly the OS and drivers, can have a profound effect on the battery.
All this time I thought battery usage was completely dependent on hardware.BTW, the user went back to Vista and everything works fine again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31013702</id>
	<title>Re:explains my old Dell Inspiron 6000</title>
	<author>Theoboley</author>
	<datestamp>1264969620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I Bought my 6000 five years back, Running XP, and I have the same battery life now as i did back then.  Original Battery in it, still running strong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I Bought my 6000 five years back , Running XP , and I have the same battery life now as i did back then .
Original Battery in it , still running strong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I Bought my 6000 five years back, Running XP, and I have the same battery life now as i did back then.
Original Battery in it, still running strong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008936</id>
	<title>Hmm...</title>
	<author>Pojut</author>
	<datestamp>1264948980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...anyone with knowledge of how an OS interacts with a laptop battery have an idea on what may be causing this?</p><p>On my end, I had Windows 7 running on my little Dell Mini 9 (upgraded to 2 gigs of ram, 16 gig SSD) as an experiment, and I got the same four hour battery life I get when ubuntu 9.10 is on there.  Laptop is a bit over a year old.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...anyone with knowledge of how an OS interacts with a laptop battery have an idea on what may be causing this ? On my end , I had Windows 7 running on my little Dell Mini 9 ( upgraded to 2 gigs of ram , 16 gig SSD ) as an experiment , and I got the same four hour battery life I get when ubuntu 9.10 is on there .
Laptop is a bit over a year old .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...anyone with knowledge of how an OS interacts with a laptop battery have an idea on what may be causing this?On my end, I had Windows 7 running on my little Dell Mini 9 (upgraded to 2 gigs of ram, 16 gig SSD) as an experiment, and I got the same four hour battery life I get when ubuntu 9.10 is on there.
Laptop is a bit over a year old.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31011954</id>
	<title>Re:explains my old Dell Inspiron 6000</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1264962000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The battery in your old laptop isn't working well anymore?  NO FREAKING WAY?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The battery in your old laptop is n't working well anymore ?
NO FREAKING WAY ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The battery in your old laptop isn't working well anymore?
NO FREAKING WAY?
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009916</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>VanHalensing</author>
	<datestamp>1264953900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not saying that this happens to all laptops, I know other people who it works just fine for. All I'm saying is that this is not an entirely isolated incedent and needs to be looked into, because it is occuring in multiple models. Interesting though that laptops of the same model are not experiencing the same problem. I'm wondering if the different companies that manufacture the batteries for the laptops (my laptop is a Dell, and it is an official Dell battery, but the manufacturer of the laptop battery is Sanyo).

Also, I charge the laptop about every 2 days. So... over two years roughly 365 charges. That should be perfectly acceptable a lithium ion battery. I also try and keep the laptop on tables and such so it doesnt get too hot and get heat damage.

And yes, I used the balanced option and the power saver option.

There are programs you can download to analyze the working portions in the battery, and compare them to the designed specs. The program I used showed that it did make significant jumps down in working portions of the battery, not gradual decline like batteries normally make.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not saying that this happens to all laptops , I know other people who it works just fine for .
All I 'm saying is that this is not an entirely isolated incedent and needs to be looked into , because it is occuring in multiple models .
Interesting though that laptops of the same model are not experiencing the same problem .
I 'm wondering if the different companies that manufacture the batteries for the laptops ( my laptop is a Dell , and it is an official Dell battery , but the manufacturer of the laptop battery is Sanyo ) .
Also , I charge the laptop about every 2 days .
So... over two years roughly 365 charges .
That should be perfectly acceptable a lithium ion battery .
I also try and keep the laptop on tables and such so it doesnt get too hot and get heat damage .
And yes , I used the balanced option and the power saver option .
There are programs you can download to analyze the working portions in the battery , and compare them to the designed specs .
The program I used showed that it did make significant jumps down in working portions of the battery , not gradual decline like batteries normally make .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not saying that this happens to all laptops, I know other people who it works just fine for.
All I'm saying is that this is not an entirely isolated incedent and needs to be looked into, because it is occuring in multiple models.
Interesting though that laptops of the same model are not experiencing the same problem.
I'm wondering if the different companies that manufacture the batteries for the laptops (my laptop is a Dell, and it is an official Dell battery, but the manufacturer of the laptop battery is Sanyo).
Also, I charge the laptop about every 2 days.
So... over two years roughly 365 charges.
That should be perfectly acceptable a lithium ion battery.
I also try and keep the laptop on tables and such so it doesnt get too hot and get heat damage.
And yes, I used the balanced option and the power saver option.
There are programs you can download to analyze the working portions in the battery, and compare them to the designed specs.
The program I used showed that it did make significant jumps down in working portions of the battery, not gradual decline like batteries normally make.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008712</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264947480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I should also comment that the battery was about 2 years old and had been working fine previously. Also, this happened to another person I know (except faster) in a computer roughly a year old.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I should also comment that the battery was about 2 years old and had been working fine previously .
Also , this happened to another person I know ( except faster ) in a computer roughly a year old .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I should also comment that the battery was about 2 years old and had been working fine previously.
Also, this happened to another person I know (except faster) in a computer roughly a year old.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31011272</id>
	<title>Win 7 and batteries</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264959420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do I har: "I want a new laptop" This sunds like hogwash. Maybe there is a problem with Win 7, but I doubt it. I have used the preview, Beta and RC on my laptop HP DV200series ad on my son and son-in-law's without issue The newst of them is my HP at 4 years and we have no issues. Now, I may just be fortunate, but I doubt it. I think te life was up those batteries and Win 7 install was just the nail-in-the-coffin</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do I har : " I want a new laptop " This sunds like hogwash .
Maybe there is a problem with Win 7 , but I doubt it .
I have used the preview , Beta and RC on my laptop HP DV200series ad on my son and son-in-law 's without issue The newst of them is my HP at 4 years and we have no issues .
Now , I may just be fortunate , but I doubt it .
I think te life was up those batteries and Win 7 install was just the nail-in-the-coffin</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do I har: "I want a new laptop" This sunds like hogwash.
Maybe there is a problem with Win 7, but I doubt it.
I have used the preview, Beta and RC on my laptop HP DV200series ad on my son and son-in-law's without issue The newst of them is my HP at 4 years and we have no issues.
Now, I may just be fortunate, but I doubt it.
I think te life was up those batteries and Win 7 install was just the nail-in-the-coffin</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009078</id>
	<title>Win7 asks you to kill your battery</title>
	<author>EmagGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1264949940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll bet it has something to do with people selecting the High Performance power profile without knowing the full consequences of it.</p><p>User Error...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll bet it has something to do with people selecting the High Performance power profile without knowing the full consequences of it.User Error.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll bet it has something to do with people selecting the High Performance power profile without knowing the full consequences of it.User Error...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31010216</id>
	<title>Gotta love the "Department" names...</title>
	<author>Two99Point80</author>
	<datestamp>1264955340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>...the "2001" reference was spot on.  Who thinks those things up?  For me it's the coolest part of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...the " 2001 " reference was spot on .
Who thinks those things up ?
For me it 's the coolest part of / .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...the "2001" reference was spot on.
Who thinks those things up?
For me it's the coolest part of /.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31011906</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1264961880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its entirely possible that your battery failed, they do that sometimes, and a lot of times act just like you're describing<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its entirely possible that your battery failed , they do that sometimes , and a lot of times act just like you 're describing .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its entirely possible that your battery failed, they do that sometimes, and a lot of times act just like you're describing ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008688</id>
	<title>Too much Windows open</title>
	<author>myrrdyn</author>
	<datestamp>1264947300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Too much Windows open, too much currents = low battery<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P</htmltext>
<tokenext>Too much Windows open , too much currents = low battery : -P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too much Windows open, too much currents = low battery :-P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009044</id>
	<title>Strange</title>
	<author>Murdoch5</author>
	<datestamp>1264949640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I actually get semi decent battery life in 7 and less in Linux.   However that's why they made the adapter.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I actually get semi decent battery life in 7 and less in Linux .
However that 's why they made the adapter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I actually get semi decent battery life in 7 and less in Linux.
However that's why they made the adapter.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008940</id>
	<title>Re:Come on Slashdot...</title>
	<author>Darth Sdlavrot</author>
	<datestamp>1264948980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Better headlines? What do you think this is, The Register?</p><p>Although I did think that the headline "Microsoft is looking into windows...." was not bad for<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Better headlines ?
What do you think this is , The Register ? Although I did think that the headline " Microsoft is looking into windows.... " was not bad for / .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better headlines?
What do you think this is, The Register?Although I did think that the headline "Microsoft is looking into windows...." was not bad for /.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31013282</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>brkello</author>
	<datestamp>1264967700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All anecdotal.  I got a laptop, Li-ion battery died within 3 months.  How many people upgraded to 7 and then had this issue?  A few hundred.  Probably actually is a bad battery.  Nothing to see here unless there are more statistics.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All anecdotal .
I got a laptop , Li-ion battery died within 3 months .
How many people upgraded to 7 and then had this issue ?
A few hundred .
Probably actually is a bad battery .
Nothing to see here unless there are more statistics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All anecdotal.
I got a laptop, Li-ion battery died within 3 months.
How many people upgraded to 7 and then had this issue?
A few hundred.
Probably actually is a bad battery.
Nothing to see here unless there are more statistics.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009014</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009798</id>
	<title>If you think this is a problem now...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264953480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait until we have lithium ion powered cars all over the place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait until we have lithium ion powered cars all over the place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait until we have lithium ion powered cars all over the place.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008930</id>
	<title>Re:Happens in other OSes, too.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264948920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe it was actually Mandrake (before it became Mandriva), and it bricked LG optical drives, not (thankfully) hard drives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe it was actually Mandrake ( before it became Mandriva ) , and it bricked LG optical drives , not ( thankfully ) hard drives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe it was actually Mandrake (before it became Mandriva), and it bricked LG optical drives, not (thankfully) hard drives.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008826</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31014634</id>
	<title>Not the only Windows 7 Issue!</title>
	<author>canajin56</author>
	<datestamp>1264931400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My Laptop came with Vista, and I upgraded to Windows 7 when I could.  A few weeks later the numlock light burnt out.  I have tried rolling back to Vista, and even XP, and the issue remains!</htmltext>
<tokenext>My Laptop came with Vista , and I upgraded to Windows 7 when I could .
A few weeks later the numlock light burnt out .
I have tried rolling back to Vista , and even XP , and the issue remains !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Laptop came with Vista, and I upgraded to Windows 7 when I could.
A few weeks later the numlock light burnt out.
I have tried rolling back to Vista, and even XP, and the issue remains!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008720</id>
	<title>Not experience this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264947540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've not experienced this on my ASUS Eee PC 1008, whilst I've never had the advertised 10.5hrs battery life out of it, because I've never used it only in the lower power modes, I've always been able to get at least 8hrs out of it between recharges. I've been running Windows 7 Ultimate on it since it was released to MSDN subscribers (i.e. prior to consumer release).</p><p>I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but clearly it doesn't effect every laptop and must occur under a specific set of circumstances or against a certain set of hardware.</p><p>Out of interest though, does anyone know enough about modern batteries to be able to tell why a piece of software should be able to cause permanent damage to a battery in the first place?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've not experienced this on my ASUS Eee PC 1008 , whilst I 've never had the advertised 10.5hrs battery life out of it , because I 've never used it only in the lower power modes , I 've always been able to get at least 8hrs out of it between recharges .
I 've been running Windows 7 Ultimate on it since it was released to MSDN subscribers ( i.e .
prior to consumer release ) .I 'm not saying it does n't happen , but clearly it does n't effect every laptop and must occur under a specific set of circumstances or against a certain set of hardware.Out of interest though , does anyone know enough about modern batteries to be able to tell why a piece of software should be able to cause permanent damage to a battery in the first place ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've not experienced this on my ASUS Eee PC 1008, whilst I've never had the advertised 10.5hrs battery life out of it, because I've never used it only in the lower power modes, I've always been able to get at least 8hrs out of it between recharges.
I've been running Windows 7 Ultimate on it since it was released to MSDN subscribers (i.e.
prior to consumer release).I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but clearly it doesn't effect every laptop and must occur under a specific set of circumstances or against a certain set of hardware.Out of interest though, does anyone know enough about modern batteries to be able to tell why a piece of software should be able to cause permanent damage to a battery in the first place?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31010334</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264955880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Prolly shouldnt have bought a shitty gook laptop. ASUS sucks</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Prolly shouldnt have bought a shitty gook laptop .
ASUS sucks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Prolly shouldnt have bought a shitty gook laptop.
ASUS sucks</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008852</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009138</id>
	<title>Re:There is some kind of battery black magic</title>
	<author>stars\_are\_number\_1</author>
	<datestamp>1264950240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The action that kills laptop batteries quicker than anything is using the computer, plugged into the wall AND the battery inserted into the machine.  FWIU, if the battery is in the machine, you should be using only battery power, unless it's charging.  <br> <br>

Once the battery is full, either unplug the computer from the wall and use only the battery, or take the battery out and use only the AC power.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The action that kills laptop batteries quicker than anything is using the computer , plugged into the wall AND the battery inserted into the machine .
FWIU , if the battery is in the machine , you should be using only battery power , unless it 's charging .
Once the battery is full , either unplug the computer from the wall and use only the battery , or take the battery out and use only the AC power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The action that kills laptop batteries quicker than anything is using the computer, plugged into the wall AND the battery inserted into the machine.
FWIU, if the battery is in the machine, you should be using only battery power, unless it's charging.
Once the battery is full, either unplug the computer from the wall and use only the battery, or take the battery out and use only the AC power.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008742</id>
	<title>FWIW, no problems here...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264947720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I put a clean install of Windows 7 on a new HDD in my HP dv7t, which came with Vista. The battery has been fine. I have also deployed several new Win7 laptops, and installed Win7 on two or three other laptops, with no issues.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I put a clean install of Windows 7 on a new HDD in my HP dv7t , which came with Vista .
The battery has been fine .
I have also deployed several new Win7 laptops , and installed Win7 on two or three other laptops , with no issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I put a clean install of Windows 7 on a new HDD in my HP dv7t, which came with Vista.
The battery has been fine.
I have also deployed several new Win7 laptops, and installed Win7 on two or three other laptops, with no issues.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009388</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to pin this down.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264951800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's funny, if it was caused by linux or some other OS immediately everyone would attack the OS and not the hardware. Microsoft is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... well, Microsoft, they'll blame the manufacturer for not respecting some standards that should have never existed in the first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's funny , if it was caused by linux or some other OS immediately everyone would attack the OS and not the hardware .
Microsoft is ... well , Microsoft , they 'll blame the manufacturer for not respecting some standards that should have never existed in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's funny, if it was caused by linux or some other OS immediately everyone would attack the OS and not the hardware.
Microsoft is ... well, Microsoft, they'll blame the manufacturer for not respecting some standards that should have never existed in the first place.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31010488</id>
	<title>And in other news...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264956540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Batteries die over time.</p><p>more at 11</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Batteries die over time.more at 11</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Batteries die over time.more at 11</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009350</id>
	<title>I bought a computer with WIN7 RC...</title>
	<author>cvtan</author>
	<datestamp>1264951440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>and sure enough 6 months later the 5-year-old battery in my MINI Cooper needed to be replaced.</htmltext>
<tokenext>and sure enough 6 months later the 5-year-old battery in my MINI Cooper needed to be replaced .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and sure enough 6 months later the 5-year-old battery in my MINI Cooper needed to be replaced.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008792</id>
	<title>Linux does it too...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264948080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have the same problem with Fedora on my acer laptop. Vista is quite happy and battery life works fine. But on Fedora it runs along dropping slowly until about 85\% when it suddenly drops to 0\% panics and suspends.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have the same problem with Fedora on my acer laptop .
Vista is quite happy and battery life works fine .
But on Fedora it runs along dropping slowly until about 85 \ % when it suddenly drops to 0 \ % panics and suspends .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have the same problem with Fedora on my acer laptop.
Vista is quite happy and battery life works fine.
But on Fedora it runs along dropping slowly until about 85\% when it suddenly drops to 0\% panics and suspends.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31012016</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>sexconker</author>
	<datestamp>1264962180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I picked it up at about $90k miles because the previous owner got tired of being nickled-and-dimed by regular repairs.</p></div><p>For "$90k miles", I'm pretty sure the previous owner got tired of being <i>nickled-and-miled</i>.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I picked it up at about $ 90k miles because the previous owner got tired of being nickled-and-dimed by regular repairs.For " $ 90k miles " , I 'm pretty sure the previous owner got tired of being nickled-and-miled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I picked it up at about $90k miles because the previous owner got tired of being nickled-and-dimed by regular repairs.For "$90k miles", I'm pretty sure the previous owner got tired of being nickled-and-miled.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009524</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31010688</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264957260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>LOL your just a retard</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>LOL your just a retard</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LOL your just a retard</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008682</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008822</id>
	<title>I have this problem...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264948260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>on a HP Pavilion dv9685eo, found that thread 6 months ago and hoped for the best. Down to 15 mins of battery life. Reinstalls, battery drains, etc, nothing works.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>on a HP Pavilion dv9685eo , found that thread 6 months ago and hoped for the best .
Down to 15 mins of battery life .
Reinstalls , battery drains , etc , nothing works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>on a HP Pavilion dv9685eo, found that thread 6 months ago and hoped for the best.
Down to 15 mins of battery life.
Reinstalls, battery drains, etc, nothing works.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31010318</id>
	<title>Re:Not experience this</title>
	<author>ettlz</author>
	<datestamp>1264955820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>ACPI does not normally (and from what I've seen, never) export any controls over battery charging, or even allow the user to choose power supply. The job of handling power is usually done by the embedded controller and its firmware, which also handles any charging (along with circuitry designed specifically for the job). This is designed for optimal performance of the system in mind and usually works very well. The operating system just monitors the state of the power supply and can make demand-related decisions (CPU power-state, screen brightness, sleep/shutdown) based upon a chosen policy. If batteries really are packing up early in the manner suggested, this is more likely down to a hardware/firmware/miscellaneous-ACPI-EC-horkage defect in the notebook itself, not the operating system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>ACPI does not normally ( and from what I 've seen , never ) export any controls over battery charging , or even allow the user to choose power supply .
The job of handling power is usually done by the embedded controller and its firmware , which also handles any charging ( along with circuitry designed specifically for the job ) .
This is designed for optimal performance of the system in mind and usually works very well .
The operating system just monitors the state of the power supply and can make demand-related decisions ( CPU power-state , screen brightness , sleep/shutdown ) based upon a chosen policy .
If batteries really are packing up early in the manner suggested , this is more likely down to a hardware/firmware/miscellaneous-ACPI-EC-horkage defect in the notebook itself , not the operating system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ACPI does not normally (and from what I've seen, never) export any controls over battery charging, or even allow the user to choose power supply.
The job of handling power is usually done by the embedded controller and its firmware, which also handles any charging (along with circuitry designed specifically for the job).
This is designed for optimal performance of the system in mind and usually works very well.
The operating system just monitors the state of the power supply and can make demand-related decisions (CPU power-state, screen brightness, sleep/shutdown) based upon a chosen policy.
If batteries really are packing up early in the manner suggested, this is more likely down to a hardware/firmware/miscellaneous-ACPI-EC-horkage defect in the notebook itself, not the operating system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008826</id>
	<title>Happens in other OSes, too.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264948260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm reminded of a driver bug in one Linux distro release that utterly trashed laptop hard drives by...hell, I don't remember, maybe parking and unparking the heads way too often (do they even still do that anymore?).

Extremely unfortunate bug, but I wanted to jump in before the fanboys.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm reminded of a driver bug in one Linux distro release that utterly trashed laptop hard drives by...hell , I do n't remember , maybe parking and unparking the heads way too often ( do they even still do that anymore ? ) .
Extremely unfortunate bug , but I wanted to jump in before the fanboys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm reminded of a driver bug in one Linux distro release that utterly trashed laptop hard drives by...hell, I don't remember, maybe parking and unparking the heads way too often (do they even still do that anymore?).
Extremely unfortunate bug, but I wanted to jump in before the fanboys.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009452</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1264952100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Your two year-old laptop battery dies, and the first place you go is to blame the operating system?</p></div><p>You say that like a two-year-old battery is some kind of relic. I've never had a laptop battery become unusable in less than three years.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your two year-old laptop battery dies , and the first place you go is to blame the operating system ? You say that like a two-year-old battery is some kind of relic .
I 've never had a laptop battery become unusable in less than three years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your two year-old laptop battery dies, and the first place you go is to blame the operating system?You say that like a two-year-old battery is some kind of relic.
I've never had a laptop battery become unusable in less than three years.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31012072</id>
	<title>Here is the Official Patch!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264962420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here is a patch that will fix this problem.</p><p>http://fedora-live-usb-creator.en.malavida.com/d5419-free-download-windows</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here is a patch that will fix this problem.http : //fedora-live-usb-creator.en.malavida.com/d5419-free-download-windows</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here is a patch that will fix this problem.http://fedora-live-usb-creator.en.malavida.com/d5419-free-download-windows</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008682</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008802</id>
	<title>Re:Not experience this</title>
	<author>dreamchaser</author>
	<datestamp>1264948140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Software controls how batteries are used/discharged.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced\_Configuration\_and\_Power\_Interface" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced\_Configuration\_and\_Power\_Interface</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Software controls how batteries are used/discharged.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced \ _Configuration \ _and \ _Power \ _Interface [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Software controls how batteries are used/discharged.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced\_Configuration\_and\_Power\_Interface [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008952</id>
	<title>Re:Not experience this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264949100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>These batteries contain some complex chargers with a chip that probably remembers the exact use. I suspect that the battery remembers when it's worn out and refuses to reload any further than the predicted limit (to prevent all those nasty Li-Ion overheating problems), in this way it's kind of like those HP cartridges that still report as 'empty' when you refill them and won't work.<br>
Recently I installed a program that allows me to check my laptops battery, it currently reports I have 3069 mWh left of the rated 5200 mWh and it won't charge past this threshold (it only steadily becomes less). A constant and stable decrease like this can only be reported when it's calculated by the internal logic inside the battery (any measured value would fluctuate since the voltage will also fluctuate based on load and charge).<br> <br>
So to answer your question: the battery probably remembers like HP ink...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>These batteries contain some complex chargers with a chip that probably remembers the exact use .
I suspect that the battery remembers when it 's worn out and refuses to reload any further than the predicted limit ( to prevent all those nasty Li-Ion overheating problems ) , in this way it 's kind of like those HP cartridges that still report as 'empty ' when you refill them and wo n't work .
Recently I installed a program that allows me to check my laptops battery , it currently reports I have 3069 mWh left of the rated 5200 mWh and it wo n't charge past this threshold ( it only steadily becomes less ) .
A constant and stable decrease like this can only be reported when it 's calculated by the internal logic inside the battery ( any measured value would fluctuate since the voltage will also fluctuate based on load and charge ) .
So to answer your question : the battery probably remembers like HP ink... : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These batteries contain some complex chargers with a chip that probably remembers the exact use.
I suspect that the battery remembers when it's worn out and refuses to reload any further than the predicted limit (to prevent all those nasty Li-Ion overheating problems), in this way it's kind of like those HP cartridges that still report as 'empty' when you refill them and won't work.
Recently I installed a program that allows me to check my laptops battery, it currently reports I have 3069 mWh left of the rated 5200 mWh and it won't charge past this threshold (it only steadily becomes less).
A constant and stable decrease like this can only be reported when it's calculated by the internal logic inside the battery (any measured value would fluctuate since the voltage will also fluctuate based on load and charge).
So to answer your question: the battery probably remembers like HP ink... :-)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009814</id>
	<title>Re:Downgrading?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264953600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>just throwing this out there with no proof:<br>win7 rootkit?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>just throwing this out there with no proof : win7 rootkit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>just throwing this out there with no proof:win7 rootkit?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009604</id>
	<title>Re:There is some kind of battery black magic</title>
	<author>rickb928</author>
	<datestamp>1264952700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My 7 year old Acer 1894 P4 laptop (Same as Dell Smarttep 250N) had the original battery in it for 4 years with good life.  It went from 80\% capacity to 3\% capacity in about a month.  The second battery lasted 2 years.  Both were used almost exclusively plugged in, battery charged, Windows XP of some flavor.</p><p>Of course after 7 years, the DC jack has been soldered in repeatedly, smoked, and cooked well done.  Replacements have to be pressed in and bumpered.</p><p>Before that, I had a Mitac 6020N, and the battery in that was typical but lived for 4 years on a desktop.</p><p>I just got a Thinkpad X41 Tablet with two batteries.  The standard 4-cell battery has about 25\% of capacity left, too bad.  The T-cell battery has about 75\% capacity, and it lasts &gt;4 hours.  I might get a new 4-cell battery, or rebuild the old one, it's a nice shape.</p><p>Newer batteries, to me, seem to tolerate constant charging.  My work machine is an X61S, and after a year of 8-hour use and rare discharges it still has all the life I expect out of the 8-cell battery.</p><p>I suspect one difference between premium notebooks and low-end might be the power management and charging.  A sub-$400 notebook might not do as well, and the cells might not be so excellent either.  You sometimes do get what you pay for.</p><p>And I suspect leaving your notebook on 24x7 isn't good for it either.  The Acer is a hot beast with a P4 2.8 in it.  the Thinkpad at home rarely spins the fan so you can hear it.  When the Acer dies, my wife gets a used Thinkpad.  She can try and burn that up playing Bejewelled.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My 7 year old Acer 1894 P4 laptop ( Same as Dell Smarttep 250N ) had the original battery in it for 4 years with good life .
It went from 80 \ % capacity to 3 \ % capacity in about a month .
The second battery lasted 2 years .
Both were used almost exclusively plugged in , battery charged , Windows XP of some flavor.Of course after 7 years , the DC jack has been soldered in repeatedly , smoked , and cooked well done .
Replacements have to be pressed in and bumpered.Before that , I had a Mitac 6020N , and the battery in that was typical but lived for 4 years on a desktop.I just got a Thinkpad X41 Tablet with two batteries .
The standard 4-cell battery has about 25 \ % of capacity left , too bad .
The T-cell battery has about 75 \ % capacity , and it lasts &gt; 4 hours .
I might get a new 4-cell battery , or rebuild the old one , it 's a nice shape.Newer batteries , to me , seem to tolerate constant charging .
My work machine is an X61S , and after a year of 8-hour use and rare discharges it still has all the life I expect out of the 8-cell battery.I suspect one difference between premium notebooks and low-end might be the power management and charging .
A sub- $ 400 notebook might not do as well , and the cells might not be so excellent either .
You sometimes do get what you pay for.And I suspect leaving your notebook on 24x7 is n't good for it either .
The Acer is a hot beast with a P4 2.8 in it .
the Thinkpad at home rarely spins the fan so you can hear it .
When the Acer dies , my wife gets a used Thinkpad .
She can try and burn that up playing Bejewelled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My 7 year old Acer 1894 P4 laptop (Same as Dell Smarttep 250N) had the original battery in it for 4 years with good life.
It went from 80\% capacity to 3\% capacity in about a month.
The second battery lasted 2 years.
Both were used almost exclusively plugged in, battery charged, Windows XP of some flavor.Of course after 7 years, the DC jack has been soldered in repeatedly, smoked, and cooked well done.
Replacements have to be pressed in and bumpered.Before that, I had a Mitac 6020N, and the battery in that was typical but lived for 4 years on a desktop.I just got a Thinkpad X41 Tablet with two batteries.
The standard 4-cell battery has about 25\% of capacity left, too bad.
The T-cell battery has about 75\% capacity, and it lasts &gt;4 hours.
I might get a new 4-cell battery, or rebuild the old one, it's a nice shape.Newer batteries, to me, seem to tolerate constant charging.
My work machine is an X61S, and after a year of 8-hour use and rare discharges it still has all the life I expect out of the 8-cell battery.I suspect one difference between premium notebooks and low-end might be the power management and charging.
A sub-$400 notebook might not do as well, and the cells might not be so excellent either.
You sometimes do get what you pay for.And I suspect leaving your notebook on 24x7 isn't good for it either.
The Acer is a hot beast with a P4 2.8 in it.
the Thinkpad at home rarely spins the fan so you can hear it.
When the Acer dies, my wife gets a used Thinkpad.
She can try and burn that up playing Bejewelled.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009524</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>HikingStick</author>
	<datestamp>1264952340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My guess is that the new OS's power utilization habits are markedly different from XP, and that the battery had become conditioned to the old usage patterns.  While the battery still likely would have shown decline and failure under your old OS, it might have come on more gradually.  Switching to the new OS could be akin to replacing an alternator or other mechanical component in an older car--the changes that occur from the installation of the new part put additional strain on some of the other components, so they end up failing shortly thereafter.  <br> <br>That's why I always like to find out what repairs have been done before I buy a used car.  If someone replaced the alternator, but nothing else, I figure that I'll be replacing the water pump and a few other items over the next few month if I buy the car.  The real bargains are when you find out they've replaced most of the front-end components, and are then dumping the car because they see it as a money pit.  If they've taken care of most of the potential problems, I've just found a vehicle that should run for at least 50k miles and should be able to get it at a bargain price.  My little Mercury Tracer was like that.  I picked it up at about $90k miles because the previous owner got tired of being nickled-and-dimed by regular repairs.  I've now owned it for the past six ore more years, and have only had a few hundred dollars of repairs.  I've put over 110k miles on the vehicle (yes, a '90s model Mercury Tracer that's still on the road with over 201k miles!).<br> <br>It is just so easy to let an analogy become another rabbit trail...</htmltext>
<tokenext>My guess is that the new OS 's power utilization habits are markedly different from XP , and that the battery had become conditioned to the old usage patterns .
While the battery still likely would have shown decline and failure under your old OS , it might have come on more gradually .
Switching to the new OS could be akin to replacing an alternator or other mechanical component in an older car--the changes that occur from the installation of the new part put additional strain on some of the other components , so they end up failing shortly thereafter .
That 's why I always like to find out what repairs have been done before I buy a used car .
If someone replaced the alternator , but nothing else , I figure that I 'll be replacing the water pump and a few other items over the next few month if I buy the car .
The real bargains are when you find out they 've replaced most of the front-end components , and are then dumping the car because they see it as a money pit .
If they 've taken care of most of the potential problems , I 've just found a vehicle that should run for at least 50k miles and should be able to get it at a bargain price .
My little Mercury Tracer was like that .
I picked it up at about $ 90k miles because the previous owner got tired of being nickled-and-dimed by regular repairs .
I 've now owned it for the past six ore more years , and have only had a few hundred dollars of repairs .
I 've put over 110k miles on the vehicle ( yes , a '90s model Mercury Tracer that 's still on the road with over 201k miles ! ) .
It is just so easy to let an analogy become another rabbit trail.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My guess is that the new OS's power utilization habits are markedly different from XP, and that the battery had become conditioned to the old usage patterns.
While the battery still likely would have shown decline and failure under your old OS, it might have come on more gradually.
Switching to the new OS could be akin to replacing an alternator or other mechanical component in an older car--the changes that occur from the installation of the new part put additional strain on some of the other components, so they end up failing shortly thereafter.
That's why I always like to find out what repairs have been done before I buy a used car.
If someone replaced the alternator, but nothing else, I figure that I'll be replacing the water pump and a few other items over the next few month if I buy the car.
The real bargains are when you find out they've replaced most of the front-end components, and are then dumping the car because they see it as a money pit.
If they've taken care of most of the potential problems, I've just found a vehicle that should run for at least 50k miles and should be able to get it at a bargain price.
My little Mercury Tracer was like that.
I picked it up at about $90k miles because the previous owner got tired of being nickled-and-dimed by regular repairs.
I've now owned it for the past six ore more years, and have only had a few hundred dollars of repairs.
I've put over 110k miles on the vehicle (yes, a '90s model Mercury Tracer that's still on the road with over 201k miles!).
It is just so easy to let an analogy become another rabbit trail...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31082440</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265741520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My Dell XPS 1530 on a University Dell service contract, had the battery stop charging entirely.  They replaced the mobo, the video card, power supply, etc... but not the battery because it always charged fine on other 1530s.  Turns out, the BIOS was at fault.  Replace A12 with A09, and everything has been great since.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My Dell XPS 1530 on a University Dell service contract , had the battery stop charging entirely .
They replaced the mobo , the video card , power supply , etc... but not the battery because it always charged fine on other 1530s .
Turns out , the BIOS was at fault .
Replace A12 with A09 , and everything has been great since .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Dell XPS 1530 on a University Dell service contract, had the battery stop charging entirely.
They replaced the mobo, the video card, power supply, etc... but not the battery because it always charged fine on other 1530s.
Turns out, the BIOS was at fault.
Replace A12 with A09, and everything has been great since.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31028400</id>
	<title>Re: Microsoft Looking Into Windows 7 Battery Failu</title>
	<author>MSFT\_AlexT</author>
	<datestamp>1265285280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We are investigating this issue in conjunction with our hardware partners, which appears to be related to system firmware. We are working with our partners to determine the root cause and will update the Windows TechNet forum with information and guidance as it becomes available.

Best regards,

Alex
Microsoft Windows Client Team</htmltext>
<tokenext>We are investigating this issue in conjunction with our hardware partners , which appears to be related to system firmware .
We are working with our partners to determine the root cause and will update the Windows TechNet forum with information and guidance as it becomes available .
Best regards , Alex Microsoft Windows Client Team</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are investigating this issue in conjunction with our hardware partners, which appears to be related to system firmware.
We are working with our partners to determine the root cause and will update the Windows TechNet forum with information and guidance as it becomes available.
Best regards,

Alex
Microsoft Windows Client Team</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009232</id>
	<title>Re:explains my old Dell Inspiron 6000</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1264950780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure that's Windows 7 in that particular case as I had the same problem with my old Inspiron 6000 and the battery was useless after less than a year. I only ever ran Windows XP on it, I think it's simply that Dell sold a load of shit batteries.</p><p>I used to do IT support in schools some years back too, we supported 147 schools and they all ordered a bunch of Dell D500s and D505s so had to support over a thousand of the things in total, the battery life on these wasn't exactly spectacular either, again, with many being largely useless on battery after only a year or so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure that 's Windows 7 in that particular case as I had the same problem with my old Inspiron 6000 and the battery was useless after less than a year .
I only ever ran Windows XP on it , I think it 's simply that Dell sold a load of shit batteries.I used to do IT support in schools some years back too , we supported 147 schools and they all ordered a bunch of Dell D500s and D505s so had to support over a thousand of the things in total , the battery life on these was n't exactly spectacular either , again , with many being largely useless on battery after only a year or so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure that's Windows 7 in that particular case as I had the same problem with my old Inspiron 6000 and the battery was useless after less than a year.
I only ever ran Windows XP on it, I think it's simply that Dell sold a load of shit batteries.I used to do IT support in schools some years back too, we supported 147 schools and they all ordered a bunch of Dell D500s and D505s so had to support over a thousand of the things in total, the battery life on these wasn't exactly spectacular either, again, with many being largely useless on battery after only a year or so.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31011234</id>
	<title>Re:There is some kind of battery black magic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264959300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work for a company that sells laptop batteries and this is exactly what happens.  All Li-ion batteries degrade from the moment that they are made, however the process is greatly accelerated by Heat &amp; Charge Level.   Using a laptop as a desktop computer keeps the battery at 100\% charge and cooks it all day long.  This stress can kill batteries in under a year.</p><p>The chips in the batteries store information on each charge/discharge cycle.  As a battery wears the maximum capacity will decrease.  If the battery is cycled on a regular basis, the chip will collect current data and re-calculate the percentages.  If a battery is not cycled, the battery will assume that the maximum capacity based upon the last data that was collected.  This will give a false percentage reading and will make the charge level drop out quickly.</p><p>Users incorrectly believe that by keeping the battery fully charged and never using it will preserve the battery.  When they finally go on a trip 9 months later and try to use the battery it will fail on them and they do not know why.  The #1 thing out of every customer's mouth is "but I never used the battery".</p><p>My take on the MS issue is that it is a combination of a few models with buggy ACPI data and also some just bad batteries.  ACPI should report the battery's design capacity as well as the current capacity level.  The ratio of the current capacity to the design capacity is called the State Of Health (SOH) and it represents the amount of wear on the battery.  For example if your 6600mAh battery only charges to 3300mAh then your battery is 50\% worn out.</p><p>In most OSs they only care about the relative state of charge (RSOC) to show you the charge percent.  In some new OS (I am assuming W7), the OS tries to compute the SOH to let you know if your battery is bad.  The problem is that many laptops do not correctly report the ACPI battery data.  If the OS or the BIOS mis-report or mis-interpret the ACPI data then this feature can incorrectly report that your battery is bad.  If you run Linux you can see this data in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/proc/ACPI/BAT0/info. Most laptops that I have checked will mis-report some of this information.</p><p>Some of the reports are likely due to these false positives.  These should be fixed by a tweak to the BIOS to allow W7 to properly interpret the ACPI data.  The rest are most likely just bad batteries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work for a company that sells laptop batteries and this is exactly what happens .
All Li-ion batteries degrade from the moment that they are made , however the process is greatly accelerated by Heat &amp; Charge Level .
Using a laptop as a desktop computer keeps the battery at 100 \ % charge and cooks it all day long .
This stress can kill batteries in under a year.The chips in the batteries store information on each charge/discharge cycle .
As a battery wears the maximum capacity will decrease .
If the battery is cycled on a regular basis , the chip will collect current data and re-calculate the percentages .
If a battery is not cycled , the battery will assume that the maximum capacity based upon the last data that was collected .
This will give a false percentage reading and will make the charge level drop out quickly.Users incorrectly believe that by keeping the battery fully charged and never using it will preserve the battery .
When they finally go on a trip 9 months later and try to use the battery it will fail on them and they do not know why .
The # 1 thing out of every customer 's mouth is " but I never used the battery " .My take on the MS issue is that it is a combination of a few models with buggy ACPI data and also some just bad batteries .
ACPI should report the battery 's design capacity as well as the current capacity level .
The ratio of the current capacity to the design capacity is called the State Of Health ( SOH ) and it represents the amount of wear on the battery .
For example if your 6600mAh battery only charges to 3300mAh then your battery is 50 \ % worn out.In most OSs they only care about the relative state of charge ( RSOC ) to show you the charge percent .
In some new OS ( I am assuming W7 ) , the OS tries to compute the SOH to let you know if your battery is bad .
The problem is that many laptops do not correctly report the ACPI battery data .
If the OS or the BIOS mis-report or mis-interpret the ACPI data then this feature can incorrectly report that your battery is bad .
If you run Linux you can see this data in /proc/ACPI/BAT0/info .
Most laptops that I have checked will mis-report some of this information.Some of the reports are likely due to these false positives .
These should be fixed by a tweak to the BIOS to allow W7 to properly interpret the ACPI data .
The rest are most likely just bad batteries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work for a company that sells laptop batteries and this is exactly what happens.
All Li-ion batteries degrade from the moment that they are made, however the process is greatly accelerated by Heat &amp; Charge Level.
Using a laptop as a desktop computer keeps the battery at 100\% charge and cooks it all day long.
This stress can kill batteries in under a year.The chips in the batteries store information on each charge/discharge cycle.
As a battery wears the maximum capacity will decrease.
If the battery is cycled on a regular basis, the chip will collect current data and re-calculate the percentages.
If a battery is not cycled, the battery will assume that the maximum capacity based upon the last data that was collected.
This will give a false percentage reading and will make the charge level drop out quickly.Users incorrectly believe that by keeping the battery fully charged and never using it will preserve the battery.
When they finally go on a trip 9 months later and try to use the battery it will fail on them and they do not know why.
The #1 thing out of every customer's mouth is "but I never used the battery".My take on the MS issue is that it is a combination of a few models with buggy ACPI data and also some just bad batteries.
ACPI should report the battery's design capacity as well as the current capacity level.
The ratio of the current capacity to the design capacity is called the State Of Health (SOH) and it represents the amount of wear on the battery.
For example if your 6600mAh battery only charges to 3300mAh then your battery is 50\% worn out.In most OSs they only care about the relative state of charge (RSOC) to show you the charge percent.
In some new OS (I am assuming W7), the OS tries to compute the SOH to let you know if your battery is bad.
The problem is that many laptops do not correctly report the ACPI battery data.
If the OS or the BIOS mis-report or mis-interpret the ACPI data then this feature can incorrectly report that your battery is bad.
If you run Linux you can see this data in /proc/ACPI/BAT0/info.
Most laptops that I have checked will mis-report some of this information.Some of the reports are likely due to these false positives.
These should be fixed by a tweak to the BIOS to allow W7 to properly interpret the ACPI data.
The rest are most likely just bad batteries.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009990</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>fredrik70</author>
	<datestamp>1264954200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Within a month the battery went from 90\% to 3\% and did an emergency hibernate.</p></div><p>1 month??? I want your battery...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Within a month the battery went from 90 \ % to 3 \ % and did an emergency hibernate.1 month ? ? ?
I want your battery.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Within a month the battery went from 90\% to 3\% and did an emergency hibernate.1 month???
I want your battery...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008854</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264948440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've got these problems with a HP DV-9890-ED, but haven't experienced the degradation of the battery. Also, the error notification is only visible when I insert the power supply. When operating on battery only, the battery indicator is fine.</p><p>The battery-error exists for quite a while now, actually. I've got this problem since two months, and searches on the internet revealed that it excisted for over a half year..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got these problems with a HP DV-9890-ED , but have n't experienced the degradation of the battery .
Also , the error notification is only visible when I insert the power supply .
When operating on battery only , the battery indicator is fine.The battery-error exists for quite a while now , actually .
I 've got this problem since two months , and searches on the internet revealed that it excisted for over a half year. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got these problems with a HP DV-9890-ED, but haven't experienced the degradation of the battery.
Also, the error notification is only visible when I insert the power supply.
When operating on battery only, the battery indicator is fine.The battery-error exists for quite a while now, actually.
I've got this problem since two months, and searches on the internet revealed that it excisted for over a half year..</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009930</id>
	<title>Much ado about nothing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264953960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm using Windows 7 and my battery works perfectl</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm using Windows 7 and my battery works perfectl</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm using Windows 7 and my battery works perfectl</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31011424</id>
	<title>It's Not Because of Windows 7</title>
	<author>hduff</author>
	<datestamp>1264959960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Windows 7 does not suck batteries. These are not the droids you seek.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows 7 does not suck batteries .
These are not the droids you seek .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows 7 does not suck batteries.
These are not the droids you seek.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008694</id>
	<title>Come on Slashdot...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264947360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you are going to post sensationalist stories at least give them better headlines. How about "Microsoft charged with assault on battery"... or some such.  Seriously though, this could be bad if the users don't turn out to be crazies that don't want to admit their batteries just went bad.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are going to post sensationalist stories at least give them better headlines .
How about " Microsoft charged with assault on battery " ... or some such .
Seriously though , this could be bad if the users do n't turn out to be crazies that do n't want to admit their batteries just went bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are going to post sensationalist stories at least give them better headlines.
How about "Microsoft charged with assault on battery"... or some such.
Seriously though, this could be bad if the users don't turn out to be crazies that don't want to admit their batteries just went bad.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009074</id>
	<title>Re:Happens in other OSes, too.</title>
	<author>Knuckles</author>
	<datestamp>1264949940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm reminded of a driver bug in one Linux distro release that utterly trashed laptop hard drives by...hell, I don't remember, maybe parking and unparking the heads way too often (do they even still do that anymore?).</p></div><p>It was Ubuntu, and it was not so simple to blame them as you remember it to be. Effectively they just did not overrule the drives' own settings for the parking frequency. Turns out that there are buggy drives that get it wrong.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm reminded of a driver bug in one Linux distro release that utterly trashed laptop hard drives by...hell , I do n't remember , maybe parking and unparking the heads way too often ( do they even still do that anymore ?
) .It was Ubuntu , and it was not so simple to blame them as you remember it to be .
Effectively they just did not overrule the drives ' own settings for the parking frequency .
Turns out that there are buggy drives that get it wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm reminded of a driver bug in one Linux distro release that utterly trashed laptop hard drives by...hell, I don't remember, maybe parking and unparking the heads way too often (do they even still do that anymore?
).It was Ubuntu, and it was not so simple to blame them as you remember it to be.
Effectively they just did not overrule the drives' own settings for the parking frequency.
Turns out that there are buggy drives that get it wrong.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009362</id>
	<title>Any change in O/S could do this to a battery</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264951500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>LiON batteries become more effcient as they get used to a power profile (ie. usage pattern). So after conditioning a battery for 2 years with one such usage pattern (or using one O/S over time), then changing that all of a sudden by installing a different OS that uses the battery differently *could* shock the cells into premature collapse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>LiON batteries become more effcient as they get used to a power profile ( ie .
usage pattern ) .
So after conditioning a battery for 2 years with one such usage pattern ( or using one O/S over time ) , then changing that all of a sudden by installing a different OS that uses the battery differently * could * shock the cells into premature collapse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LiON batteries become more effcient as they get used to a power profile (ie.
usage pattern).
So after conditioning a battery for 2 years with one such usage pattern (or using one O/S over time), then changing that all of a sudden by installing a different OS that uses the battery differently *could* shock the cells into premature collapse.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008820</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>jittles</author>
	<datestamp>1264948260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Within a month the battery went from 90\% to 3\% and did an emergency hibernate.</p></div><p>Wow! That's quite the battery capacity you have there...</p><p>
In all seriousness though, I've been using Win 7 since the week of release.  My laptop battery is approximately a year old.  I've had no problems with it whatsoever.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Within a month the battery went from 90 \ % to 3 \ % and did an emergency hibernate.Wow !
That 's quite the battery capacity you have there.. . In all seriousness though , I 've been using Win 7 since the week of release .
My laptop battery is approximately a year old .
I 've had no problems with it whatsoever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Within a month the battery went from 90\% to 3\% and did an emergency hibernate.Wow!
That's quite the battery capacity you have there...
In all seriousness though, I've been using Win 7 since the week of release.
My laptop battery is approximately a year old.
I've had no problems with it whatsoever.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008684</id>
	<title>Hey</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264947300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MS is finally giving in: now all their users will have a taste of linux !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MS is finally giving in : now all their users will have a taste of linux !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS is finally giving in: now all their users will have a taste of linux !</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31011666</id>
	<title>MOD UP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264960860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's <b>Metallica</b>, you Beyonce-loving, Mac-using, latte-sipping faggots.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's Metallica , you Beyonce-loving , Mac-using , latte-sipping faggots .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's Metallica, you Beyonce-loving, Mac-using, latte-sipping faggots.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31010102</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>shawb</author>
	<datestamp>1264954800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>This could be an example of <a href="http://www.skepdic.com/lawofnumbers.html" title="skepdic.com">The law of very large numbers.</a> [skepdic.com]  Basically, this states that people have very little intuitive grasp of statistics and so believe that many unrelated things are indeed connected.  Also related to the logical fallacy of <em>post hoc ergo propter hoc</em>.  It would be possible for a statisticion to determine whether the rate of battery failure after installing Windows 7 was expected, but that wouldn't convince anyone whose actually knows someone whose battery failed shortly after the installation.  Or even not so shortly after.<br> <br>

Of course, it is possible that there is some bad code somewhere in Windows 7's power management that allows batteries to drain and then recharge continuously wearing them out, and a proper statistical analysis would reveal this as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This could be an example of The law of very large numbers .
[ skepdic.com ] Basically , this states that people have very little intuitive grasp of statistics and so believe that many unrelated things are indeed connected .
Also related to the logical fallacy of post hoc ergo propter hoc .
It would be possible for a statisticion to determine whether the rate of battery failure after installing Windows 7 was expected , but that would n't convince anyone whose actually knows someone whose battery failed shortly after the installation .
Or even not so shortly after .
Of course , it is possible that there is some bad code somewhere in Windows 7 's power management that allows batteries to drain and then recharge continuously wearing them out , and a proper statistical analysis would reveal this as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This could be an example of The law of very large numbers.
[skepdic.com]  Basically, this states that people have very little intuitive grasp of statistics and so believe that many unrelated things are indeed connected.
Also related to the logical fallacy of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
It would be possible for a statisticion to determine whether the rate of battery failure after installing Windows 7 was expected, but that wouldn't convince anyone whose actually knows someone whose battery failed shortly after the installation.
Or even not so shortly after.
Of course, it is possible that there is some bad code somewhere in Windows 7's power management that allows batteries to drain and then recharge continuously wearing them out, and a proper statistical analysis would reveal this as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31016786</id>
	<title>Re:OSX Snow Leopard upgrade may cause battery fail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264941540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a LONG thread (70 pages at last look) on that over at<br><a href="http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2139186&amp;start=0&amp;tstart=0" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2139186&amp;start=0&amp;tstart=0</a> [apple.com]</p><p>Essentially, the Snow Leopard upgrade did something to reduce battery life (on MacBook and MacBookPro lines).  In my case, the MacBook battery is showing "service battery" (this was almost immediately after upgrade to SL, after 2+ years of no issues.  I did try to go back to Leopard and (in my case), the situation stayed the same, so I suspect Apple wrote something into the battery during the upgrade that causes this problem (at least in some older versions of batteries).  Some users have reported getting a new battery doesn't fix the problem.  So far there isn't a solution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a LONG thread ( 70 pages at last look ) on that over athttp : //discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa ? threadID = 2139186&amp;start = 0&amp;tstart = 0 [ apple.com ] Essentially , the Snow Leopard upgrade did something to reduce battery life ( on MacBook and MacBookPro lines ) .
In my case , the MacBook battery is showing " service battery " ( this was almost immediately after upgrade to SL , after 2 + years of no issues .
I did try to go back to Leopard and ( in my case ) , the situation stayed the same , so I suspect Apple wrote something into the battery during the upgrade that causes this problem ( at least in some older versions of batteries ) .
Some users have reported getting a new battery does n't fix the problem .
So far there is n't a solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a LONG thread (70 pages at last look) on that over athttp://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2139186&amp;start=0&amp;tstart=0 [apple.com]Essentially, the Snow Leopard upgrade did something to reduce battery life (on MacBook and MacBookPro lines).
In my case, the MacBook battery is showing "service battery" (this was almost immediately after upgrade to SL, after 2+ years of no issues.
I did try to go back to Leopard and (in my case), the situation stayed the same, so I suspect Apple wrote something into the battery during the upgrade that causes this problem (at least in some older versions of batteries).
Some users have reported getting a new battery doesn't fix the problem.
So far there isn't a solution.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31012300</id>
	<title>Process of elimination</title>
	<author>Arctech</author>
	<datestamp>1264963200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"To make matters worse, others are reporting that downgrading to an earlier version of Windows doesn't fix the problem."</p></div></blockquote><p>
Hey, guess what.  If the problem persists in another operating system, the original operating system wasn't at fault.  The only possible way Win7 could be the problem here is if it managed to physically damage the battery, which is just shy of being completely impossible.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" To make matters worse , others are reporting that downgrading to an earlier version of Windows does n't fix the problem .
" Hey , guess what .
If the problem persists in another operating system , the original operating system was n't at fault .
The only possible way Win7 could be the problem here is if it managed to physically damage the battery , which is just shy of being completely impossible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"To make matters worse, others are reporting that downgrading to an earlier version of Windows doesn't fix the problem.
"
Hey, guess what.
If the problem persists in another operating system, the original operating system wasn't at fault.
The only possible way Win7 could be the problem here is if it managed to physically damage the battery, which is just shy of being completely impossible.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008800</id>
	<title>Re:There is some kind of battery black magic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264948140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, totally. I am using Windows 7 on a laptop to write this message, and my battery is as healthy as

</p><p>&lt;NO CARRIER&gt;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , totally .
I am using Windows 7 on a laptop to write this message , and my battery is as healthy as</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, totally.
I am using Windows 7 on a laptop to write this message, and my battery is as healthy as

</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008950</id>
	<title>New Dell E1555</title>
	<author>p51d007</author>
	<datestamp>1264949100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Got a new Dell E1555 to replace my aging E1505, blew out the HD, installed 7 fresh.  8-9 hour battery life (extended battery), no issues.  Must be a really specific glitch.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Got a new Dell E1555 to replace my aging E1505 , blew out the HD , installed 7 fresh .
8-9 hour battery life ( extended battery ) , no issues .
Must be a really specific glitch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Got a new Dell E1555 to replace my aging E1505, blew out the HD, installed 7 fresh.
8-9 hour battery life (extended battery), no issues.
Must be a really specific glitch.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31012382</id>
	<title>Interesting Timing</title>
	<author>nmos</author>
	<datestamp>1264963500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My laptop battery/charging system just started flaking out.  Basically, the battery meter always shows the state of charge as it was when I first booted the machine up.  It will operate on battery just fine but I have no way of knowing how much charge I have left.  After some experimenting it's also clear that it's not charging when it's turned on but does charge when off.  This is on an old Thinkpad that is probably 8+ years old so it's not surprising that something has died.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My laptop battery/charging system just started flaking out .
Basically , the battery meter always shows the state of charge as it was when I first booted the machine up .
It will operate on battery just fine but I have no way of knowing how much charge I have left .
After some experimenting it 's also clear that it 's not charging when it 's turned on but does charge when off .
This is on an old Thinkpad that is probably 8 + years old so it 's not surprising that something has died .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My laptop battery/charging system just started flaking out.
Basically, the battery meter always shows the state of charge as it was when I first booted the machine up.
It will operate on battery just fine but I have no way of knowing how much charge I have left.
After some experimenting it's also clear that it's not charging when it's turned on but does charge when off.
This is on an old Thinkpad that is probably 8+ years old so it's not surprising that something has died.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31014202</id>
	<title>Re:explains my old Dell Inspiron 6000</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264929060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So... why isn't it a coincidence?</p><p>My example: Dad bought a new W7 machine just as the "black screen of death" issue hit the fan. Happened every boot for at least 30 minutes. Dad is old and lacks interest exploring new things and dealing with telephone service hell, so his solution was to leave it on, 24/7. Last month I suggested he try shutting down, just in case MS finally patched the issue. Next day I got an email - the machine never came back on. He took the works in to the store, and actually got an real tech this time who listened and then tested everything. Trouble was his old monitor had finally failed - it just coincidentally did it the day he got a new box, and the day the "black screen of death" issue hit the headlines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So... why is n't it a coincidence ? My example : Dad bought a new W7 machine just as the " black screen of death " issue hit the fan .
Happened every boot for at least 30 minutes .
Dad is old and lacks interest exploring new things and dealing with telephone service hell , so his solution was to leave it on , 24/7 .
Last month I suggested he try shutting down , just in case MS finally patched the issue .
Next day I got an email - the machine never came back on .
He took the works in to the store , and actually got an real tech this time who listened and then tested everything .
Trouble was his old monitor had finally failed - it just coincidentally did it the day he got a new box , and the day the " black screen of death " issue hit the headlines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So... why isn't it a coincidence?My example: Dad bought a new W7 machine just as the "black screen of death" issue hit the fan.
Happened every boot for at least 30 minutes.
Dad is old and lacks interest exploring new things and dealing with telephone service hell, so his solution was to leave it on, 24/7.
Last month I suggested he try shutting down, just in case MS finally patched the issue.
Next day I got an email - the machine never came back on.
He took the works in to the store, and actually got an real tech this time who listened and then tested everything.
Trouble was his old monitor had finally failed - it just coincidentally did it the day he got a new box, and the day the "black screen of death" issue hit the headlines.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31012038</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>Mr. DOS</author>
	<datestamp>1264962300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>As someone who has used a laptop 2-3 times a week regularly since 1996, I can say it usually takes about 2 years for a Li-ion battery to get to the point where it is only half-as-good as it was originally and generally I can get another year of it before I replace it.</p></div></blockquote><p>Looks like someone's never experienced the bundles of joy that are consumer-grade Dell batteries.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; --- Mr. DOS</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who has used a laptop 2-3 times a week regularly since 1996 , I can say it usually takes about 2 years for a Li-ion battery to get to the point where it is only half-as-good as it was originally and generally I can get another year of it before I replace it.Looks like someone 's never experienced the bundles of joy that are consumer-grade Dell batteries .
      --- Mr. DOS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who has used a laptop 2-3 times a week regularly since 1996, I can say it usually takes about 2 years for a Li-ion battery to get to the point where it is only half-as-good as it was originally and generally I can get another year of it before I replace it.Looks like someone's never experienced the bundles of joy that are consumer-grade Dell batteries.
      --- Mr. DOS
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31012850</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>izomiac</author>
	<datestamp>1264965780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lithium ion batteries lose capacity for several reasons.  First is the age from manufacture.  In this case, a two-year old laptop might've gotten a battery that had been sitting in a warehouse for a few years.  Second is the temperature.  A battery in a desktop replacement laptop that's never below 60 degrees Celsius will degrade at an astounding rate, whereas a battery sitting in a plastic bag in the refrigerator will hardly degrade at all.  Third is the number of charge cycles (rather straight forward).  Fourth is how long the battery spent completely discharged.  Modern batteries will shut down before before being completely depleted, but if this fails or if you don't immediately recharge them then some cells might die.  Fifth is how long a battery was kept at high charge levels.  A battery kept at 100\% charge won't last nearly as long as one kept at 80\%, 60\% or 40\%.<br> <br>

So, the best situation for a lithium battery is sitting in a plastic bag in a refrigerator at 40\% charge, where it'll lose ~2\% capacity per year.  The worst case is being kept at 0\% charge in hot temperatures which can make it useless in no time, and the next worse is 100\% at hot temperatures (e.g. a laptop on a desk), which can lose a staggering 87\% of its capacity in a year.  (Yes, that's three hours down to twenty minutes.)<br> <br>

I expect this issue to turn out being that installing Windows 7 reset the manufacturer selected power scheme and probably disabled any charging control software.  My own laptop had the "critical" battery level decreased, and the "only charge to 80\%" software needed an update from the manufacturer (though in my case it still kinda worked, it just would nag with "Only use Sony batteries" and try to hibernate).<br> <br>

Most of this is from memory, but here's the <a href="http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm" title="batteryuniversity.com" rel="nofollow">source</a> [batteryuniversity.com] for the rest of it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lithium ion batteries lose capacity for several reasons .
First is the age from manufacture .
In this case , a two-year old laptop might 've gotten a battery that had been sitting in a warehouse for a few years .
Second is the temperature .
A battery in a desktop replacement laptop that 's never below 60 degrees Celsius will degrade at an astounding rate , whereas a battery sitting in a plastic bag in the refrigerator will hardly degrade at all .
Third is the number of charge cycles ( rather straight forward ) .
Fourth is how long the battery spent completely discharged .
Modern batteries will shut down before before being completely depleted , but if this fails or if you do n't immediately recharge them then some cells might die .
Fifth is how long a battery was kept at high charge levels .
A battery kept at 100 \ % charge wo n't last nearly as long as one kept at 80 \ % , 60 \ % or 40 \ % .
So , the best situation for a lithium battery is sitting in a plastic bag in a refrigerator at 40 \ % charge , where it 'll lose ~ 2 \ % capacity per year .
The worst case is being kept at 0 \ % charge in hot temperatures which can make it useless in no time , and the next worse is 100 \ % at hot temperatures ( e.g .
a laptop on a desk ) , which can lose a staggering 87 \ % of its capacity in a year .
( Yes , that 's three hours down to twenty minutes .
) I expect this issue to turn out being that installing Windows 7 reset the manufacturer selected power scheme and probably disabled any charging control software .
My own laptop had the " critical " battery level decreased , and the " only charge to 80 \ % " software needed an update from the manufacturer ( though in my case it still kinda worked , it just would nag with " Only use Sony batteries " and try to hibernate ) .
Most of this is from memory , but here 's the source [ batteryuniversity.com ] for the rest of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lithium ion batteries lose capacity for several reasons.
First is the age from manufacture.
In this case, a two-year old laptop might've gotten a battery that had been sitting in a warehouse for a few years.
Second is the temperature.
A battery in a desktop replacement laptop that's never below 60 degrees Celsius will degrade at an astounding rate, whereas a battery sitting in a plastic bag in the refrigerator will hardly degrade at all.
Third is the number of charge cycles (rather straight forward).
Fourth is how long the battery spent completely discharged.
Modern batteries will shut down before before being completely depleted, but if this fails or if you don't immediately recharge them then some cells might die.
Fifth is how long a battery was kept at high charge levels.
A battery kept at 100\% charge won't last nearly as long as one kept at 80\%, 60\% or 40\%.
So, the best situation for a lithium battery is sitting in a plastic bag in a refrigerator at 40\% charge, where it'll lose ~2\% capacity per year.
The worst case is being kept at 0\% charge in hot temperatures which can make it useless in no time, and the next worse is 100\% at hot temperatures (e.g.
a laptop on a desk), which can lose a staggering 87\% of its capacity in a year.
(Yes, that's three hours down to twenty minutes.
) 

I expect this issue to turn out being that installing Windows 7 reset the manufacturer selected power scheme and probably disabled any charging control software.
My own laptop had the "critical" battery level decreased, and the "only charge to 80\%" software needed an update from the manufacturer (though in my case it still kinda worked, it just would nag with "Only use Sony batteries" and try to hibernate).
Most of this is from memory, but here's the source [batteryuniversity.com] for the rest of it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009616</id>
	<title>Re:There is some kind of battery black magic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264952760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My old laptop, a Toshiba, had its Li-ion battery working 7 years after i bought it. I don't think I had good charging habits (I never removed the battery, though I usually had it attached to the power chord at home or at the university) and i used linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My old laptop , a Toshiba , had its Li-ion battery working 7 years after i bought it .
I do n't think I had good charging habits ( I never removed the battery , though I usually had it attached to the power chord at home or at the university ) and i used linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My old laptop, a Toshiba, had its Li-ion battery working 7 years after i bought it.
I don't think I had good charging habits (I never removed the battery, though I usually had it attached to the power chord at home or at the university) and i used linux.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008852</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264948440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your <b>two year-old</b> laptop battery dies, and the first place you go is to blame the operating system? And the fact that it no longer works in any OS doesn't give you any hints, either? Come on, this isn't the toughest mystery you'll face this week.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your two year-old laptop battery dies , and the first place you go is to blame the operating system ?
And the fact that it no longer works in any OS does n't give you any hints , either ?
Come on , this is n't the toughest mystery you 'll face this week .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your two year-old laptop battery dies, and the first place you go is to blame the operating system?
And the fact that it no longer works in any OS doesn't give you any hints, either?
Come on, this isn't the toughest mystery you'll face this week.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009334</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to pin this down.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264951320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you charge it 300 times and the capacity is at 50\%. Then you charge another 300 times, now the capacity is 25\%. Another 300 charges, 12.5\%. And so on. This does not explain how batteries go from 2 hour capacity to 2 minute capacity in the space of one month.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you charge it 300 times and the capacity is at 50 \ % .
Then you charge another 300 times , now the capacity is 25 \ % .
Another 300 charges , 12.5 \ % .
And so on .
This does not explain how batteries go from 2 hour capacity to 2 minute capacity in the space of one month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you charge it 300 times and the capacity is at 50\%.
Then you charge another 300 times, now the capacity is 25\%.
Another 300 charges, 12.5\%.
And so on.
This does not explain how batteries go from 2 hour capacity to 2 minute capacity in the space of one month.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008906</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>melikamp</author>
	<datestamp>1264948860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've seen batteries decline, though, exactly in this way, sometimes within a year or so of purchase.
If you had to wait for a month, I wonder if it is just a coincidence. Notice that others in TFS did not
buy a new laptop with W7, but upgraded, so they must have had their laptops for several months.
And it totally explains why it does not get fixed when they go back to the previous system.

</p><p>May be we should just stick with the simplest explanation until more data is available. But then,
I don't use Microsoft's software at all, so I am more inclined to just sit on the sidelines at watch it burn,
demolition derby style.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen batteries decline , though , exactly in this way , sometimes within a year or so of purchase .
If you had to wait for a month , I wonder if it is just a coincidence .
Notice that others in TFS did not buy a new laptop with W7 , but upgraded , so they must have had their laptops for several months .
And it totally explains why it does not get fixed when they go back to the previous system .
May be we should just stick with the simplest explanation until more data is available .
But then , I do n't use Microsoft 's software at all , so I am more inclined to just sit on the sidelines at watch it burn , demolition derby style .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen batteries decline, though, exactly in this way, sometimes within a year or so of purchase.
If you had to wait for a month, I wonder if it is just a coincidence.
Notice that others in TFS did not
buy a new laptop with W7, but upgraded, so they must have had their laptops for several months.
And it totally explains why it does not get fixed when they go back to the previous system.
May be we should just stick with the simplest explanation until more data is available.
But then,
I don't use Microsoft's software at all, so I am more inclined to just sit on the sidelines at watch it burn,
demolition derby style.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31011984</id>
	<title>Opposite experience</title>
	<author>h\_thrilz</author>
	<datestamp>1264962060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>My HP 2510p went from an absolute maximum of 4 hours life to nearly 7 hours when I installed Win7.

I never let it go below 20\% or charge above 80\% if I can help it and if I'm working plugged in I've taken to removing the battery altogether so that the heat the system generates won't contribute to shortening battery life.

I certainly wouldn't ever go back to Vista or XP for the sake of a battery.  Win7's power management is vastly superior.  (I wonder if people having problems upgraded to Win7 vs. performed a fresh install?)</htmltext>
<tokenext>My HP 2510p went from an absolute maximum of 4 hours life to nearly 7 hours when I installed Win7 .
I never let it go below 20 \ % or charge above 80 \ % if I can help it and if I 'm working plugged in I 've taken to removing the battery altogether so that the heat the system generates wo n't contribute to shortening battery life .
I certainly would n't ever go back to Vista or XP for the sake of a battery .
Win7 's power management is vastly superior .
( I wonder if people having problems upgraded to Win7 vs. performed a fresh install ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My HP 2510p went from an absolute maximum of 4 hours life to nearly 7 hours when I installed Win7.
I never let it go below 20\% or charge above 80\% if I can help it and if I'm working plugged in I've taken to removing the battery altogether so that the heat the system generates won't contribute to shortening battery life.
I certainly wouldn't ever go back to Vista or XP for the sake of a battery.
Win7's power management is vastly superior.
(I wonder if people having problems upgraded to Win7 vs. performed a fresh install?
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009302</id>
	<title>Dell Vostro no Win7 battery problems, but....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264951080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>nothing else seems to work correctly.  SigmaTel audio device flat out is buggy, periodic blue screens, video driver seems to be extremely hinky....</p><p>Screw it I am buying a Mcc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>nothing else seems to work correctly .
SigmaTel audio device flat out is buggy , periodic blue screens , video driver seems to be extremely hinky....Screw it I am buying a Mcc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>nothing else seems to work correctly.
SigmaTel audio device flat out is buggy, periodic blue screens, video driver seems to be extremely hinky....Screw it I am buying a Mcc.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009114</id>
	<title>I'm a PC,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264950120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>and Windows 7's battery draining prowess was my idea.</htmltext>
<tokenext>and Windows 7 's battery draining prowess was my idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and Windows 7's battery draining prowess was my idea.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009310</id>
	<title>Re:Not experience this</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1264951140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I understand that, but what specifically about it allows for permanent battery damage? Can commands to discharge and so forth really be issued to the battery in a manner so as to permanently damage and decrease the life of it in a short space of time? Is there no protection at hardware level against it also for example?</p><p>If there is no hardware protection then does that not also leave the door open for intentionally malicious software such as viruses and trojans to kill batteries?</p><p>I guess my question would've been better phrased as "if it is possible, then why is it possible for software to kill a battery?".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I understand that , but what specifically about it allows for permanent battery damage ?
Can commands to discharge and so forth really be issued to the battery in a manner so as to permanently damage and decrease the life of it in a short space of time ?
Is there no protection at hardware level against it also for example ? If there is no hardware protection then does that not also leave the door open for intentionally malicious software such as viruses and trojans to kill batteries ? I guess my question would 've been better phrased as " if it is possible , then why is it possible for software to kill a battery ?
" .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I understand that, but what specifically about it allows for permanent battery damage?
Can commands to discharge and so forth really be issued to the battery in a manner so as to permanently damage and decrease the life of it in a short space of time?
Is there no protection at hardware level against it also for example?If there is no hardware protection then does that not also leave the door open for intentionally malicious software such as viruses and trojans to kill batteries?I guess my question would've been better phrased as "if it is possible, then why is it possible for software to kill a battery?
".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008842</id>
	<title>Re:Too much Windows open</title>
	<author>Pharmboy</author>
	<datestamp>1264948380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><em>Too much Windows open, too much currents = low battery<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P</em></p><p>Welcome to America.  I'm pretty sure that what drains a battery is less related to the number of windows than it is related to what the windows are doing.  One game will drain a battery faster than 10 internet browser tabs on static sites.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Too much Windows open , too much currents = low battery : -PWelcome to America .
I 'm pretty sure that what drains a battery is less related to the number of windows than it is related to what the windows are doing .
One game will drain a battery faster than 10 internet browser tabs on static sites .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too much Windows open, too much currents = low battery :-PWelcome to America.
I'm pretty sure that what drains a battery is less related to the number of windows than it is related to what the windows are doing.
One game will drain a battery faster than 10 internet browser tabs on static sites.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009128</id>
	<title>Downgrading?</title>
	<author>e2d2</author>
	<datestamp>1264950180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>To make matters worse, others are reporting that downgrading to an earlier version of Windows doesn't fix the problem."</i></p><p>How is this even possible?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To make matters worse , others are reporting that downgrading to an earlier version of Windows does n't fix the problem .
" How is this even possible ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To make matters worse, others are reporting that downgrading to an earlier version of Windows doesn't fix the problem.
"How is this even possible?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008888</id>
	<title>Or maybe..</title>
	<author>consonant</author>
	<datestamp>1264948620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>.. the notebook that ran Windows XP just fine is so old that the battery life is shot anyway? Which might explain why the battery life didn't magically increase when they downgraded to XP/Vista.</htmltext>
<tokenext>.. the notebook that ran Windows XP just fine is so old that the battery life is shot anyway ?
Which might explain why the battery life did n't magically increase when they downgraded to XP/Vista .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.. the notebook that ran Windows XP just fine is so old that the battery life is shot anyway?
Which might explain why the battery life didn't magically increase when they downgraded to XP/Vista.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31010338</id>
	<title>So true</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264955940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The story is true, I just "upgraded" from Vista to Win7 my Lenovo W500 and was really puzzled why a battery that used to last for 4.5 hours now it gives me only 2:15 at 100\% charge. And yes, I am using the latest ATI drivers with switchable graphics set to "Energy Saving". If I change it to "High Performance", battery life goes down to 1:35!</p><p>What is going on? Do we need now to buy special batteries for Windows 7?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The story is true , I just " upgraded " from Vista to Win7 my Lenovo W500 and was really puzzled why a battery that used to last for 4.5 hours now it gives me only 2 : 15 at 100 \ % charge .
And yes , I am using the latest ATI drivers with switchable graphics set to " Energy Saving " .
If I change it to " High Performance " , battery life goes down to 1 : 35 ! What is going on ?
Do we need now to buy special batteries for Windows 7 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The story is true, I just "upgraded" from Vista to Win7 my Lenovo W500 and was really puzzled why a battery that used to last for 4.5 hours now it gives me only 2:15 at 100\% charge.
And yes, I am using the latest ATI drivers with switchable graphics set to "Energy Saving".
If I change it to "High Performance", battery life goes down to 1:35!What is going on?
Do we need now to buy special batteries for Windows 7?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31020980</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>GameboyRMH</author>
	<datestamp>1265290620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree. I have a kill-a-watt hooked up to my Win7 gaming desktop and it's very light on power - it uses less than under Ubuntu 9 actually (although I think this has to do with the video card power saving feature enabled by the video drivers...this PC has two potentially power guzzling video cards in it).</p><p>I'm betting this is just a coincidence. This is how batteries often go - battery life starts to slowly decline, not too much, but then when the battery's had it, life starts dropping from 90\% to 3\% in a second and the laptop cuts out. I deal with a lot of dead laptop batteries at the office and there have never been any real warning signs that a battery is about to eat dirt.</p><p>Actually if I expect any OS to eat more batteries, it would be the various Linux distros that don't do true video off, like the 'buntus - it just turns the screen black and maybe dims it...but I have a number of Ubuntu laptops and the battery life isn't noticeably affected.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
I have a kill-a-watt hooked up to my Win7 gaming desktop and it 's very light on power - it uses less than under Ubuntu 9 actually ( although I think this has to do with the video card power saving feature enabled by the video drivers...this PC has two potentially power guzzling video cards in it ) .I 'm betting this is just a coincidence .
This is how batteries often go - battery life starts to slowly decline , not too much , but then when the battery 's had it , life starts dropping from 90 \ % to 3 \ % in a second and the laptop cuts out .
I deal with a lot of dead laptop batteries at the office and there have never been any real warning signs that a battery is about to eat dirt.Actually if I expect any OS to eat more batteries , it would be the various Linux distros that do n't do true video off , like the 'buntus - it just turns the screen black and maybe dims it...but I have a number of Ubuntu laptops and the battery life is n't noticeably affected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
I have a kill-a-watt hooked up to my Win7 gaming desktop and it's very light on power - it uses less than under Ubuntu 9 actually (although I think this has to do with the video card power saving feature enabled by the video drivers...this PC has two potentially power guzzling video cards in it).I'm betting this is just a coincidence.
This is how batteries often go - battery life starts to slowly decline, not too much, but then when the battery's had it, life starts dropping from 90\% to 3\% in a second and the laptop cuts out.
I deal with a lot of dead laptop batteries at the office and there have never been any real warning signs that a battery is about to eat dirt.Actually if I expect any OS to eat more batteries, it would be the various Linux distros that don't do true video off, like the 'buntus - it just turns the screen black and maybe dims it...but I have a number of Ubuntu laptops and the battery life isn't noticeably affected.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009026</id>
	<title>Re:Not experience this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264949520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm under the impression that repeatedly charging/discharging the last couple of percent of a litium battery can very much reduce its life. I seem to remember someone from the OLPC project saying they extended battery life by avoiding charging the battery to full charge. As an anecdote, I have a laptop that I leave plugged in at almost all times. When I do run it on batteries, the battery last about the same amount of time as when I bought it. On the machines that I carry around, use and chjarge regularly, The battery life is significantly reduced after 6 months of use. If I were to hazard a guess, I would think that the OS is constantly charging and discharging teh top couple of percent of abttery capacity. O f course, I'm neither and electrical, or chemical engineer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm under the impression that repeatedly charging/discharging the last couple of percent of a litium battery can very much reduce its life .
I seem to remember someone from the OLPC project saying they extended battery life by avoiding charging the battery to full charge .
As an anecdote , I have a laptop that I leave plugged in at almost all times .
When I do run it on batteries , the battery last about the same amount of time as when I bought it .
On the machines that I carry around , use and chjarge regularly , The battery life is significantly reduced after 6 months of use .
If I were to hazard a guess , I would think that the OS is constantly charging and discharging teh top couple of percent of abttery capacity .
O f course , I 'm neither and electrical , or chemical engineer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm under the impression that repeatedly charging/discharging the last couple of percent of a litium battery can very much reduce its life.
I seem to remember someone from the OLPC project saying they extended battery life by avoiding charging the battery to full charge.
As an anecdote, I have a laptop that I leave plugged in at almost all times.
When I do run it on batteries, the battery last about the same amount of time as when I bought it.
On the machines that I carry around, use and chjarge regularly, The battery life is significantly reduced after 6 months of use.
If I were to hazard a guess, I would think that the OS is constantly charging and discharging teh top couple of percent of abttery capacity.
O f course, I'm neither and electrical, or chemical engineer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31013054</id>
	<title>Re:Vostro battery murdered by 7</title>
	<author>Plekto</author>
	<datestamp>1264966740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had problems with this a few years ago with a Powerbook.</p><p>The issue is that the new Li-Ion batteries have a chip inside them that monitors charge cycles and when it gets to a certain limit/number of cycles, disables the battery to keep it from possibly shorting out and catching fire.  Of course, this circuit is often twice as conservative as it needs to be thanks to worries about legal actions and so on.  The only option is to find a program that will refresh the chip's internal counter.  For a lot of machines, though, this does not exist.  The battery is perfectly fine, but since the chip says "no good" the battery bricks itself.</p><p>What was happening was that my Powerbook was doing exactly the same thing as is being described here.  It was chewing through a "cycle" or two every day despite the thing actually not being unplugged or used heavily.  Every day, it ate another cycle until the chip in the battery's counter decided it was "dead".</p><p>The real solution here is to get a NiMH battery replacement if you can.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had problems with this a few years ago with a Powerbook.The issue is that the new Li-Ion batteries have a chip inside them that monitors charge cycles and when it gets to a certain limit/number of cycles , disables the battery to keep it from possibly shorting out and catching fire .
Of course , this circuit is often twice as conservative as it needs to be thanks to worries about legal actions and so on .
The only option is to find a program that will refresh the chip 's internal counter .
For a lot of machines , though , this does not exist .
The battery is perfectly fine , but since the chip says " no good " the battery bricks itself.What was happening was that my Powerbook was doing exactly the same thing as is being described here .
It was chewing through a " cycle " or two every day despite the thing actually not being unplugged or used heavily .
Every day , it ate another cycle until the chip in the battery 's counter decided it was " dead " .The real solution here is to get a NiMH battery replacement if you can .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had problems with this a few years ago with a Powerbook.The issue is that the new Li-Ion batteries have a chip inside them that monitors charge cycles and when it gets to a certain limit/number of cycles, disables the battery to keep it from possibly shorting out and catching fire.
Of course, this circuit is often twice as conservative as it needs to be thanks to worries about legal actions and so on.
The only option is to find a program that will refresh the chip's internal counter.
For a lot of machines, though, this does not exist.
The battery is perfectly fine, but since the chip says "no good" the battery bricks itself.What was happening was that my Powerbook was doing exactly the same thing as is being described here.
It was chewing through a "cycle" or two every day despite the thing actually not being unplugged or used heavily.
Every day, it ate another cycle until the chip in the battery's counter decided it was "dead".The real solution here is to get a NiMH battery replacement if you can.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008682</id>
	<title>My battery died</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264947300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>This article is exactly what happened to me. Battery life started fine. A week later, that message. Within a month the battery went from 90\% to 3\% and did an emergency hibernate. Moving back to XP didn't fix it either, it burned out that battery. I've since gone back to XP (thankfully I had a spare battery, they don't make my model anymore).

I hope they fix this before I buy my next computer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This article is exactly what happened to me .
Battery life started fine .
A week later , that message .
Within a month the battery went from 90 \ % to 3 \ % and did an emergency hibernate .
Moving back to XP did n't fix it either , it burned out that battery .
I 've since gone back to XP ( thankfully I had a spare battery , they do n't make my model anymore ) .
I hope they fix this before I buy my next computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This article is exactly what happened to me.
Battery life started fine.
A week later, that message.
Within a month the battery went from 90\% to 3\% and did an emergency hibernate.
Moving back to XP didn't fix it either, it burned out that battery.
I've since gone back to XP (thankfully I had a spare battery, they don't make my model anymore).
I hope they fix this before I buy my next computer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31011510</id>
	<title>Re:Happens in other OSes, too.</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1264960200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MY understanding is it wasn't a driver bug per-se but an interaction of a short spindown timeout with a slightly longer regular disk access (not sure what the source of that access was) and it hit a lot of linux configurations.</p><p>Utterly trashed is probabblly a slight exaggeration, it certainly made a lot of drives report excessive load cycle counts but I doubt there is any good data on how many actual failures it caused.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MY understanding is it was n't a driver bug per-se but an interaction of a short spindown timeout with a slightly longer regular disk access ( not sure what the source of that access was ) and it hit a lot of linux configurations.Utterly trashed is probabblly a slight exaggeration , it certainly made a lot of drives report excessive load cycle counts but I doubt there is any good data on how many actual failures it caused .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MY understanding is it wasn't a driver bug per-se but an interaction of a short spindown timeout with a slightly longer regular disk access (not sure what the source of that access was) and it hit a lot of linux configurations.Utterly trashed is probabblly a slight exaggeration, it certainly made a lot of drives report excessive load cycle counts but I doubt there is any good data on how many actual failures it caused.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31012882</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264965900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yea this happened to me once, and what I did was plug it in to AC power and the issue went away after about an hour.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yea this happened to me once , and what I did was plug it in to AC power and the issue went away after about an hour .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yea this happened to me once, and what I did was plug it in to AC power and the issue went away after about an hour.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009508</id>
	<title>VMware</title>
	<author>Kitkoan</author>
	<datestamp>1264952340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder does this problem also crop up when using a VM session over time, or must Win7 be the top loaded OS?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder does this problem also crop up when using a VM session over time , or must Win7 be the top loaded OS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder does this problem also crop up when using a VM session over time, or must Win7 be the top loaded OS?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31011488</id>
	<title>Re:Happens in other OSes, too.</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1264960140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I believe it was actually Mandrake (before it became Mandriva), and it bricked LG optical drives</i><br>That was a different (earlier) issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe it was actually Mandrake ( before it became Mandriva ) , and it bricked LG optical drivesThat was a different ( earlier ) issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe it was actually Mandrake (before it became Mandriva), and it bricked LG optical drivesThat was a different (earlier) issue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009152</id>
	<title>OSX Snow Leopard upgrade may cause battery failure</title>
	<author>biggknifeparty</author>
	<datestamp>1264950360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've heard reports on the Apple community forum that those who upgraded to Snow Leopard had battery failure.  However, it could very well be that the newer versions, 10.6 and also Windows 7, are just better at displaying battery failure status than the earlier versions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've heard reports on the Apple community forum that those who upgraded to Snow Leopard had battery failure .
However , it could very well be that the newer versions , 10.6 and also Windows 7 , are just better at displaying battery failure status than the earlier versions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've heard reports on the Apple community forum that those who upgraded to Snow Leopard had battery failure.
However, it could very well be that the newer versions, 10.6 and also Windows 7, are just better at displaying battery failure status than the earlier versions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31011808</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to pin this down.</title>
	<author>tlhIngan</author>
	<datestamp>1264961400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>LiON batteries -- what's used in most laptops and netbooks now -- have different kind of failures and limits from the older NiCD and so on. Aside from the catastrophic failures that made the news, what happens with LiON is that there are a limited number of charge cycles per cell no matter what you do. The cells generally go around 300 charge cycles before their capacity drops to about half. The controller in the batteries (which prevents them from just bursting in flames all the time) senses this and reports it back to the os.</p></div></blockquote><p>True, but few people run their batteries to depletion and then charge it up - the 300-odd cycle rating is for full charge/discharge cycles. Li-Ions last longer if you take a more partial charge-discharge cycle.</p><p>However, what Lithium secondary batteries suffer from is <strong>aging</strong>. They grow old - once they are manufactured, the clock starts ticking. Over time, they will die. Which is why you never buy spare batteries until you need them - a battery kept in ideal conditions, but unused will age the same rate as one in constant use. That three year old spare battery you kept in tip-top storage conditions won't have significantly more capacity than your now dead three year old battery (it may last half an hour, where your battery lasts 5 minutes, but you ain't getting back the old 5 hour life when it was new without buying a fresh new battery).</p><p>Literally, freshness counts. And a good chunk of life of batteries may be spent prior to the device being actually sold and in the consumer's hands - think of the cell being manufactured, then sitting on the shelf for a few weeks until someone buys it and manufactures their battery pack, which sits on the shelf a few more weeks until it's paired with a device. Then a few more weeks pass when the device is shipped to a retailer, where it can sit more weeks or months until someone actually buys it. The device may have been made easily 6 months prior, and the parts a month or two before that. If it's a product on the shelf a little while, the date could easily be a year the battery has been sitting idle from when it was manufactured.</p><p>For fast-moving products like iPods, this is very unlikely (unless it's a really unpopular model), but for other products (e.g., other media players) it can sit on the shelf for a long time.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>LiON batteries -- what 's used in most laptops and netbooks now -- have different kind of failures and limits from the older NiCD and so on .
Aside from the catastrophic failures that made the news , what happens with LiON is that there are a limited number of charge cycles per cell no matter what you do .
The cells generally go around 300 charge cycles before their capacity drops to about half .
The controller in the batteries ( which prevents them from just bursting in flames all the time ) senses this and reports it back to the os.True , but few people run their batteries to depletion and then charge it up - the 300-odd cycle rating is for full charge/discharge cycles .
Li-Ions last longer if you take a more partial charge-discharge cycle.However , what Lithium secondary batteries suffer from is aging .
They grow old - once they are manufactured , the clock starts ticking .
Over time , they will die .
Which is why you never buy spare batteries until you need them - a battery kept in ideal conditions , but unused will age the same rate as one in constant use .
That three year old spare battery you kept in tip-top storage conditions wo n't have significantly more capacity than your now dead three year old battery ( it may last half an hour , where your battery lasts 5 minutes , but you ai n't getting back the old 5 hour life when it was new without buying a fresh new battery ) .Literally , freshness counts .
And a good chunk of life of batteries may be spent prior to the device being actually sold and in the consumer 's hands - think of the cell being manufactured , then sitting on the shelf for a few weeks until someone buys it and manufactures their battery pack , which sits on the shelf a few more weeks until it 's paired with a device .
Then a few more weeks pass when the device is shipped to a retailer , where it can sit more weeks or months until someone actually buys it .
The device may have been made easily 6 months prior , and the parts a month or two before that .
If it 's a product on the shelf a little while , the date could easily be a year the battery has been sitting idle from when it was manufactured.For fast-moving products like iPods , this is very unlikely ( unless it 's a really unpopular model ) , but for other products ( e.g. , other media players ) it can sit on the shelf for a long time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LiON batteries -- what's used in most laptops and netbooks now -- have different kind of failures and limits from the older NiCD and so on.
Aside from the catastrophic failures that made the news, what happens with LiON is that there are a limited number of charge cycles per cell no matter what you do.
The cells generally go around 300 charge cycles before their capacity drops to about half.
The controller in the batteries (which prevents them from just bursting in flames all the time) senses this and reports it back to the os.True, but few people run their batteries to depletion and then charge it up - the 300-odd cycle rating is for full charge/discharge cycles.
Li-Ions last longer if you take a more partial charge-discharge cycle.However, what Lithium secondary batteries suffer from is aging.
They grow old - once they are manufactured, the clock starts ticking.
Over time, they will die.
Which is why you never buy spare batteries until you need them - a battery kept in ideal conditions, but unused will age the same rate as one in constant use.
That three year old spare battery you kept in tip-top storage conditions won't have significantly more capacity than your now dead three year old battery (it may last half an hour, where your battery lasts 5 minutes, but you ain't getting back the old 5 hour life when it was new without buying a fresh new battery).Literally, freshness counts.
And a good chunk of life of batteries may be spent prior to the device being actually sold and in the consumer's hands - think of the cell being manufactured, then sitting on the shelf for a few weeks until someone buys it and manufactures their battery pack, which sits on the shelf a few more weeks until it's paired with a device.
Then a few more weeks pass when the device is shipped to a retailer, where it can sit more weeks or months until someone actually buys it.
The device may have been made easily 6 months prior, and the parts a month or two before that.
If it's a product on the shelf a little while, the date could easily be a year the battery has been sitting idle from when it was manufactured.For fast-moving products like iPods, this is very unlikely (unless it's a really unpopular model), but for other products (e.g., other media players) it can sit on the shelf for a long time.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31042964</id>
	<title>Re:FWIW, no problems here...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265388120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My laptop is 6 months new. After installing Windows 7 a month and a half ago, the battery today is giving me "consider replacing your battery message." It's my understanding that the charging is controlled by the OS. Reading all the posts that have come up from people with new/semi-new laptops it seems pretty obvious that Microsoft is on the hook for this one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My laptop is 6 months new .
After installing Windows 7 a month and a half ago , the battery today is giving me " consider replacing your battery message .
" It 's my understanding that the charging is controlled by the OS .
Reading all the posts that have come up from people with new/semi-new laptops it seems pretty obvious that Microsoft is on the hook for this one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My laptop is 6 months new.
After installing Windows 7 a month and a half ago, the battery today is giving me "consider replacing your battery message.
" It's my understanding that the charging is controlled by the OS.
Reading all the posts that have come up from people with new/semi-new laptops it seems pretty obvious that Microsoft is on the hook for this one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009216</id>
	<title>Battery</title>
	<author>RobVB</author>
	<datestamp>1264950660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lashing out the action<br>Returning the reaction<br>Weak are ripped and torn away</p><p>Hypnotizing cower<br>Crushing all that power<br>Battery ain't here to stay</p><p>Smashing through the boundaries<br>Windows 7 found me<br>Cannot save the battery</p><p>Pounding out aggression<br>Turns into obsession<br>Cannot use the battery</p><p>Cannot kill the family<br>Battery ain't found in ME<br>Battery<br>Battery</p><p>Thrashing all deceivers'<br>Mashing the believers'<br>Never ending potency</p><p>Hungry violence seeker<br>Feeding off the weaker<br>Breeding on insanity</p><p>Smashing through the boundaries<br>Windows 7 found me<br>Cannot save the battery</p><p>Pounding out aggression<br>Turns into obsession<br>Cannot use the battery</p><p>Cannot kill the family<br>Battery ain't found in ME<br>Battery<br>Battery</p><p>Circle of destruction<br>Microsoft comes crushing<br>Powerhouse of energy</p><p>Whipping up a fury<br>Dominating flurry<br>We throw out the battery</p><p>Smashing through the boundaries<br>Lunacy has found me<br>Cannot save the battery</p><p>Pounding out aggression<br>Turns into obsession<br>Cannot use the battery</p><p>Cannot kill the family<br>Battery ain't found in ME<br>Battery<br>Battery<br>Battery<br>Battery</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lashing out the actionReturning the reactionWeak are ripped and torn awayHypnotizing cowerCrushing all that powerBattery ai n't here to staySmashing through the boundariesWindows 7 found meCannot save the batteryPounding out aggressionTurns into obsessionCannot use the batteryCannot kill the familyBattery ai n't found in MEBatteryBatteryThrashing all deceivers'Mashing the believers'Never ending potencyHungry violence seekerFeeding off the weakerBreeding on insanitySmashing through the boundariesWindows 7 found meCannot save the batteryPounding out aggressionTurns into obsessionCannot use the batteryCannot kill the familyBattery ai n't found in MEBatteryBatteryCircle of destructionMicrosoft comes crushingPowerhouse of energyWhipping up a furyDominating flurryWe throw out the batterySmashing through the boundariesLunacy has found meCannot save the batteryPounding out aggressionTurns into obsessionCannot use the batteryCannot kill the familyBattery ai n't found in MEBatteryBatteryBatteryBattery</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lashing out the actionReturning the reactionWeak are ripped and torn awayHypnotizing cowerCrushing all that powerBattery ain't here to staySmashing through the boundariesWindows 7 found meCannot save the batteryPounding out aggressionTurns into obsessionCannot use the batteryCannot kill the familyBattery ain't found in MEBatteryBatteryThrashing all deceivers'Mashing the believers'Never ending potencyHungry violence seekerFeeding off the weakerBreeding on insanitySmashing through the boundariesWindows 7 found meCannot save the batteryPounding out aggressionTurns into obsessionCannot use the batteryCannot kill the familyBattery ain't found in MEBatteryBatteryCircle of destructionMicrosoft comes crushingPowerhouse of energyWhipping up a furyDominating flurryWe throw out the batterySmashing through the boundariesLunacy has found meCannot save the batteryPounding out aggressionTurns into obsessionCannot use the batteryCannot kill the familyBattery ain't found in MEBatteryBatteryBatteryBattery</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009974</id>
	<title>counter point</title>
	<author>AxemRed</author>
	<datestamp>1264954140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My brother has an Asus laptop... I'm not sure the model. It's a couple of years old. It came with Vista.<br> <br>
When Windows 7 because available at his university, he installed it on his laptop. He noticed that the battery life noticeably improved.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My brother has an Asus laptop... I 'm not sure the model .
It 's a couple of years old .
It came with Vista .
When Windows 7 because available at his university , he installed it on his laptop .
He noticed that the battery life noticeably improved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My brother has an Asus laptop... I'm not sure the model.
It's a couple of years old.
It came with Vista.
When Windows 7 because available at his university, he installed it on his laptop.
He noticed that the battery life noticeably improved.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009718</id>
	<title>This happened to me when OS X was new</title>
	<author>Megane</author>
	<datestamp>1264953180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When OS X 10.0 beta first came out, it was so much nicer to use than 9 (just being able to wake from sleep in less than 10 seconds was enough alone) that I permanently switched over to it on my G3 Powerbook (Pismo model). However, that being the "previous" model at the time (I bought one of the last ones), they didn't have the power management working right, and it used up the battery noticeably more when in sleep. But that wasn't the big problem.
</p><p>In the last month before the initial one-year warranty was expiring, I was running it off of battery. When the battery got down to 75\%, it suddenly went to 1\%. I thought it was a glitch or something. After that, the battery only started crashing sooner. At that time, due to the model being out of sale for a year, Apple (apparently) stopping production of replacement batteries (a really stupid idea right there), and (presumably) other people having their batteries die at the same time, getting a new battery was like pulling teeth... from an elephant.
</p><p>This illustrates one of the failure modes with LiIon batteries. When they wear out, they will charge to 100\%, but crash during the discharge cycle. Part of the problem was that Apple had their laptops topping off the batteries whenever not at 100\% (later on, Apple made a change so as not to top it off when already at 95\% of better), and part of the problem was that the incomplete power-down during sleep caused the battery to go through cycles faster.
</p><p>Also, LiIon batteries have a shelf life of a couple of years even if not used. It's possible that some of these people might have had an older laptop, but the summary specifically mentions new W7 laptops, and Windows computers are usually traded up more often than Macs. But I'm sort of surprised that the BIOS wouldn't be handling the power management exactly the same whether XP or 7 was used.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When OS X 10.0 beta first came out , it was so much nicer to use than 9 ( just being able to wake from sleep in less than 10 seconds was enough alone ) that I permanently switched over to it on my G3 Powerbook ( Pismo model ) .
However , that being the " previous " model at the time ( I bought one of the last ones ) , they did n't have the power management working right , and it used up the battery noticeably more when in sleep .
But that was n't the big problem .
In the last month before the initial one-year warranty was expiring , I was running it off of battery .
When the battery got down to 75 \ % , it suddenly went to 1 \ % .
I thought it was a glitch or something .
After that , the battery only started crashing sooner .
At that time , due to the model being out of sale for a year , Apple ( apparently ) stopping production of replacement batteries ( a really stupid idea right there ) , and ( presumably ) other people having their batteries die at the same time , getting a new battery was like pulling teeth... from an elephant .
This illustrates one of the failure modes with LiIon batteries .
When they wear out , they will charge to 100 \ % , but crash during the discharge cycle .
Part of the problem was that Apple had their laptops topping off the batteries whenever not at 100 \ % ( later on , Apple made a change so as not to top it off when already at 95 \ % of better ) , and part of the problem was that the incomplete power-down during sleep caused the battery to go through cycles faster .
Also , LiIon batteries have a shelf life of a couple of years even if not used .
It 's possible that some of these people might have had an older laptop , but the summary specifically mentions new W7 laptops , and Windows computers are usually traded up more often than Macs .
But I 'm sort of surprised that the BIOS would n't be handling the power management exactly the same whether XP or 7 was used .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When OS X 10.0 beta first came out, it was so much nicer to use than 9 (just being able to wake from sleep in less than 10 seconds was enough alone) that I permanently switched over to it on my G3 Powerbook (Pismo model).
However, that being the "previous" model at the time (I bought one of the last ones), they didn't have the power management working right, and it used up the battery noticeably more when in sleep.
But that wasn't the big problem.
In the last month before the initial one-year warranty was expiring, I was running it off of battery.
When the battery got down to 75\%, it suddenly went to 1\%.
I thought it was a glitch or something.
After that, the battery only started crashing sooner.
At that time, due to the model being out of sale for a year, Apple (apparently) stopping production of replacement batteries (a really stupid idea right there), and (presumably) other people having their batteries die at the same time, getting a new battery was like pulling teeth... from an elephant.
This illustrates one of the failure modes with LiIon batteries.
When they wear out, they will charge to 100\%, but crash during the discharge cycle.
Part of the problem was that Apple had their laptops topping off the batteries whenever not at 100\% (later on, Apple made a change so as not to top it off when already at 95\% of better), and part of the problem was that the incomplete power-down during sleep caused the battery to go through cycles faster.
Also, LiIon batteries have a shelf life of a couple of years even if not used.
It's possible that some of these people might have had an older laptop, but the summary specifically mentions new W7 laptops, and Windows computers are usually traded up more often than Macs.
But I'm sort of surprised that the BIOS wouldn't be handling the power management exactly the same whether XP or 7 was used.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008896</id>
	<title>Hard to pin this down.</title>
	<author>CFD339</author>
	<datestamp>1264948740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is one of those things that's really hard to pin down.</p><p>LiON batteries -- what's used in most laptops and netbooks now -- have different kind of failures and limits from the older NiCD and so on.   Aside from the catastrophic failures that made the news, what happens with LiON is that there are a limited number of charge cycles per cell no matter what you do. The cells generally go around 300 charge cycles before their capacity drops to about half.   The controller in the batteries (which prevents them from just bursting in flames all the time) senses this and reports it back to the os.</p><p>The result is that when you upgrade the machine, you've already had it a long while and you're not far from that day when suddenly you notice your capacity has dropped to about half and you'd better replace the battery.    Your cruising along at 60\% then a minute later you're getting the warning that you're out of battery -- one or more cells is no good anymore.</p><p>To test this, you'd have to buy a new battery first and then compare life cycles.</p><p>btw:  Lots of theories about how to make them last longer -- most of the actual experts say to try to keep it at around 40\% if you're going to store it and not use it, otherwise just use the machine. The controller won't allow it to overcharge an they have no "memory" per se.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is one of those things that 's really hard to pin down.LiON batteries -- what 's used in most laptops and netbooks now -- have different kind of failures and limits from the older NiCD and so on .
Aside from the catastrophic failures that made the news , what happens with LiON is that there are a limited number of charge cycles per cell no matter what you do .
The cells generally go around 300 charge cycles before their capacity drops to about half .
The controller in the batteries ( which prevents them from just bursting in flames all the time ) senses this and reports it back to the os.The result is that when you upgrade the machine , you 've already had it a long while and you 're not far from that day when suddenly you notice your capacity has dropped to about half and you 'd better replace the battery .
Your cruising along at 60 \ % then a minute later you 're getting the warning that you 're out of battery -- one or more cells is no good anymore.To test this , you 'd have to buy a new battery first and then compare life cycles.btw : Lots of theories about how to make them last longer -- most of the actual experts say to try to keep it at around 40 \ % if you 're going to store it and not use it , otherwise just use the machine .
The controller wo n't allow it to overcharge an they have no " memory " per se .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is one of those things that's really hard to pin down.LiON batteries -- what's used in most laptops and netbooks now -- have different kind of failures and limits from the older NiCD and so on.
Aside from the catastrophic failures that made the news, what happens with LiON is that there are a limited number of charge cycles per cell no matter what you do.
The cells generally go around 300 charge cycles before their capacity drops to about half.
The controller in the batteries (which prevents them from just bursting in flames all the time) senses this and reports it back to the os.The result is that when you upgrade the machine, you've already had it a long while and you're not far from that day when suddenly you notice your capacity has dropped to about half and you'd better replace the battery.
Your cruising along at 60\% then a minute later you're getting the warning that you're out of battery -- one or more cells is no good anymore.To test this, you'd have to buy a new battery first and then compare life cycles.btw:  Lots of theories about how to make them last longer -- most of the actual experts say to try to keep it at around 40\% if you're going to store it and not use it, otherwise just use the machine.
The controller won't allow it to overcharge an they have no "memory" per se.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009268</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264950960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yup, My 1 1/4 yr old Dell battery died over a period of a week. I had acceptable life and by the end of the week it was completely shot. No OS upgrade involved...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup , My 1 1/4 yr old Dell battery died over a period of a week .
I had acceptable life and by the end of the week it was completely shot .
No OS upgrade involved.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup, My 1 1/4 yr old Dell battery died over a period of a week.
I had acceptable life and by the end of the week it was completely shot.
No OS upgrade involved...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009468</id>
	<title>Re:There is some kind of battery black magic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264952160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My brother, who only runs Linux, and always runs his laptops plugged in is always killing his batteries very quickly.  I run only Windows, and am very careful to not always run my laptops plugged in, and got 5+ years out of my previous laptop's battery!  My new Think-pad T400 that came with Windows 7 is now about 2.5 months old and is still at 100\% battery life...</p><p>I firmly believe its all about how you treat the battery, not what OS you run!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My brother , who only runs Linux , and always runs his laptops plugged in is always killing his batteries very quickly .
I run only Windows , and am very careful to not always run my laptops plugged in , and got 5 + years out of my previous laptop 's battery !
My new Think-pad T400 that came with Windows 7 is now about 2.5 months old and is still at 100 \ % battery life...I firmly believe its all about how you treat the battery , not what OS you run !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My brother, who only runs Linux, and always runs his laptops plugged in is always killing his batteries very quickly.
I run only Windows, and am very careful to not always run my laptops plugged in, and got 5+ years out of my previous laptop's battery!
My new Think-pad T400 that came with Windows 7 is now about 2.5 months old and is still at 100\% battery life...I firmly believe its all about how you treat the battery, not what OS you run!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31012264</id>
	<title>Re:There is some kind of battery black magic</title>
	<author>oh-dark-thirty</author>
	<datestamp>1264963020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lithium batteries that are kept at a full-charge voltage (4.2 volts/cell) will degrade faster than those that are either cycled regularly or stored at approx. 3.8 v/cell.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lithium batteries that are kept at a full-charge voltage ( 4.2 volts/cell ) will degrade faster than those that are either cycled regularly or stored at approx .
3.8 v/cell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lithium batteries that are kept at a full-charge voltage (4.2 volts/cell) will degrade faster than those that are either cycled regularly or stored at approx.
3.8 v/cell.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31015468</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>Chuk</author>
	<datestamp>1264935420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We went from the RC to actual Windows 7 a week or so ago and the same thing happened. The laptop is also overheating a lot more than it had been. I think MS owes me a new laptop. Maybe two. It is about a year and a half old but it's had about the same battery life, maybe a slight decrease but nothing like the huge drop after we "upgraded" -- we usually have it plugged in though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We went from the RC to actual Windows 7 a week or so ago and the same thing happened .
The laptop is also overheating a lot more than it had been .
I think MS owes me a new laptop .
Maybe two .
It is about a year and a half old but it 's had about the same battery life , maybe a slight decrease but nothing like the huge drop after we " upgraded " -- we usually have it plugged in though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We went from the RC to actual Windows 7 a week or so ago and the same thing happened.
The laptop is also overheating a lot more than it had been.
I think MS owes me a new laptop.
Maybe two.
It is about a year and a half old but it's had about the same battery life, maybe a slight decrease but nothing like the huge drop after we "upgraded" -- we usually have it plugged in though.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009322</id>
	<title>Re:explains my old Dell Inspiron 6000</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1264951260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like an old battery.  My laptop is a few months old, started with Vista, then upgraded to 7.</p><p>I get about four hours on a 16.5" full HD screen, high performance graphics, 7200 rpm drive, doing development work on VS 2008.  I also have the high capacity battery as well, and I was suprised to actually get the performance they quoted (which was 4-5 hours of life between recharges).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like an old battery .
My laptop is a few months old , started with Vista , then upgraded to 7.I get about four hours on a 16.5 " full HD screen , high performance graphics , 7200 rpm drive , doing development work on VS 2008 .
I also have the high capacity battery as well , and I was suprised to actually get the performance they quoted ( which was 4-5 hours of life between recharges ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like an old battery.
My laptop is a few months old, started with Vista, then upgraded to 7.I get about four hours on a 16.5" full HD screen, high performance graphics, 7200 rpm drive, doing development work on VS 2008.
I also have the high capacity battery as well, and I was suprised to actually get the performance they quoted (which was 4-5 hours of life between recharges).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009866</id>
	<title>Re:Happens in other OSes, too.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264953720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There was also a virus back in the DOS days that did the same thing, back then though parking the heads on an MFM drive was a user initiated task.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There was also a virus back in the DOS days that did the same thing , back then though parking the heads on an MFM drive was a user initiated task .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was also a virus back in the DOS days that did the same thing, back then though parking the heads on an MFM drive was a user initiated task.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009480</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>Stregano</author>
	<datestamp>1264952220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well I have a 5 year old laptop that had a perfectly good battery, and then I put Mandrake 10 on it.<br> <br>
The battery did the same thing they are describing here for Windows 7.<br> <br>
Where is my ars article about Mandrake 10 killing laptop batteries of 5 year old computers?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well I have a 5 year old laptop that had a perfectly good battery , and then I put Mandrake 10 on it .
The battery did the same thing they are describing here for Windows 7 .
Where is my ars article about Mandrake 10 killing laptop batteries of 5 year old computers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well I have a 5 year old laptop that had a perfectly good battery, and then I put Mandrake 10 on it.
The battery did the same thing they are describing here for Windows 7.
Where is my ars article about Mandrake 10 killing laptop batteries of 5 year old computers?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31010426</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>Ihmhi</author>
	<datestamp>1264956300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm rarely one to shill a store or product, but I've used <a href="http://www.batteriesplus.com/" title="batteriesplus.com">Batteries Plus stores</a> [batteriesplus.com] for customers who are in the same exact situation you are in. I believe they are owned by Rayovac.</p><p>Typically their generic laptop/cell phone batteries end up being cheaper than the name brand units (although this isn't always the case). For people in your case, though, this is really the only option for a fresh battery for an older laptop, cell phone, etc.</p><p>They're a franchise much like Radio Shack so you should be able to find one somewhere near you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm rarely one to shill a store or product , but I 've used Batteries Plus stores [ batteriesplus.com ] for customers who are in the same exact situation you are in .
I believe they are owned by Rayovac.Typically their generic laptop/cell phone batteries end up being cheaper than the name brand units ( although this is n't always the case ) .
For people in your case , though , this is really the only option for a fresh battery for an older laptop , cell phone , etc.They 're a franchise much like Radio Shack so you should be able to find one somewhere near you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm rarely one to shill a store or product, but I've used Batteries Plus stores [batteriesplus.com] for customers who are in the same exact situation you are in.
I believe they are owned by Rayovac.Typically their generic laptop/cell phone batteries end up being cheaper than the name brand units (although this isn't always the case).
For people in your case, though, this is really the only option for a fresh battery for an older laptop, cell phone, etc.They're a franchise much like Radio Shack so you should be able to find one somewhere near you.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008862</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>balbord</author>
	<datestamp>1264948500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same thing here on my Asus A6Va. The battery now holds ~37\%.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same thing here on my Asus A6Va .
The battery now holds ~ 37 \ % .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same thing here on my Asus A6Va.
The battery now holds ~37\%.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31010272</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>Linker3000</author>
	<datestamp>1264955580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is another instance of where moving to Linux should be tried. I am running Fedora 12 on my Acer laptop and the battery life indicator regularly shows that I have 500+ hours of battery life remaining!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is another instance of where moving to Linux should be tried .
I am running Fedora 12 on my Acer laptop and the battery life indicator regularly shows that I have 500 + hours of battery life remaining !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is another instance of where moving to Linux should be tried.
I am running Fedora 12 on my Acer laptop and the battery life indicator regularly shows that I have 500+ hours of battery life remaining!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31012068</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>cbytes</author>
	<datestamp>1264962360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This article is exactly what happened to me. Battery life started fine. A week later, that message. Within a month the battery went from 90\% to 3\% and did an emergency hibernate. Moving back to XP didn't fix it either, it burned out that battery. I've since gone back to XP (thankfully I had a spare battery, they don't make my model anymore).

I hope they fix this before I buy my next computer.</p></div><p>Same thing happened to me. I have a 4 month old Alienware computer and after it suddenly shut off (not the low power auto-hibernate, but more like a sudden loss of power hard shut down) I tried rebooting and am having huge issues.

The OS will boot but during startup I am prompted to run checkdisk. If I don't skip the test, my computer locks up when the counter reaches 1. Of course I also get the error about replacing my battery once in the OS, along with erratic program behavior most likely because of some disk error.

I would suggest that anyone running a laptop without a hardware warranty should consider going back to XP before they lose their battery or worse.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This article is exactly what happened to me .
Battery life started fine .
A week later , that message .
Within a month the battery went from 90 \ % to 3 \ % and did an emergency hibernate .
Moving back to XP did n't fix it either , it burned out that battery .
I 've since gone back to XP ( thankfully I had a spare battery , they do n't make my model anymore ) .
I hope they fix this before I buy my next computer.Same thing happened to me .
I have a 4 month old Alienware computer and after it suddenly shut off ( not the low power auto-hibernate , but more like a sudden loss of power hard shut down ) I tried rebooting and am having huge issues .
The OS will boot but during startup I am prompted to run checkdisk .
If I do n't skip the test , my computer locks up when the counter reaches 1 .
Of course I also get the error about replacing my battery once in the OS , along with erratic program behavior most likely because of some disk error .
I would suggest that anyone running a laptop without a hardware warranty should consider going back to XP before they lose their battery or worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This article is exactly what happened to me.
Battery life started fine.
A week later, that message.
Within a month the battery went from 90\% to 3\% and did an emergency hibernate.
Moving back to XP didn't fix it either, it burned out that battery.
I've since gone back to XP (thankfully I had a spare battery, they don't make my model anymore).
I hope they fix this before I buy my next computer.Same thing happened to me.
I have a 4 month old Alienware computer and after it suddenly shut off (not the low power auto-hibernate, but more like a sudden loss of power hard shut down) I tried rebooting and am having huge issues.
The OS will boot but during startup I am prompted to run checkdisk.
If I don't skip the test, my computer locks up when the counter reaches 1.
Of course I also get the error about replacing my battery once in the OS, along with erratic program behavior most likely because of some disk error.
I would suggest that anyone running a laptop without a hardware warranty should consider going back to XP before they lose their battery or worse.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31012758</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>jtownatpunk.net</author>
	<datestamp>1264965240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reminds me of when my old ibook decided its battery was dead.  Nevermind the fact that I still got nearly 4 hours of use from a charge.  The PMU refused to charge the battery and that was that.  And it happened the day before I left on a two week vacation.  Since the laptop was 4 years old, no brick-n-mortar stores had batteries in stock.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reminds me of when my old ibook decided its battery was dead .
Nevermind the fact that I still got nearly 4 hours of use from a charge .
The PMU refused to charge the battery and that was that .
And it happened the day before I left on a two week vacation .
Since the laptop was 4 years old , no brick-n-mortar stores had batteries in stock .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reminds me of when my old ibook decided its battery was dead.
Nevermind the fact that I still got nearly 4 hours of use from a charge.
The PMU refused to charge the battery and that was that.
And it happened the day before I left on a two week vacation.
Since the laptop was 4 years old, no brick-n-mortar stores had batteries in stock.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009014</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>Lord Byron II</author>
	<datestamp>1264949520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A Li-ion battery should get somewhere between 300-500 charge-discharge cycles (http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm) and unless you use your laptop daily, you should still have a decent battery after two years.</p><p>As someone who has used a laptop 2-3 times a week regularly since 1996, I can say it usually takes about 2 years for a Li-ion battery to get to the point where it is only half-as-good as it was originally and generally I can get another year of it before I replace it.</p><p>Only once have I ever had a battery that fell from near 100\% charge levels to near 0\% charge levels that wasn't fixed by re-conditioning the battery (as the original poster described) and that battery tech was NiMH.</p><p>Considering the somewhat sophisticated chips in a modern Li-ion battery, I would say it's not unreasonable that Win7 is somehow tricking/confusing the battery into thinking that it's cells are prematurely dead and shutting them off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A Li-ion battery should get somewhere between 300-500 charge-discharge cycles ( http : //www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm ) and unless you use your laptop daily , you should still have a decent battery after two years.As someone who has used a laptop 2-3 times a week regularly since 1996 , I can say it usually takes about 2 years for a Li-ion battery to get to the point where it is only half-as-good as it was originally and generally I can get another year of it before I replace it.Only once have I ever had a battery that fell from near 100 \ % charge levels to near 0 \ % charge levels that was n't fixed by re-conditioning the battery ( as the original poster described ) and that battery tech was NiMH.Considering the somewhat sophisticated chips in a modern Li-ion battery , I would say it 's not unreasonable that Win7 is somehow tricking/confusing the battery into thinking that it 's cells are prematurely dead and shutting them off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A Li-ion battery should get somewhere between 300-500 charge-discharge cycles (http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm) and unless you use your laptop daily, you should still have a decent battery after two years.As someone who has used a laptop 2-3 times a week regularly since 1996, I can say it usually takes about 2 years for a Li-ion battery to get to the point where it is only half-as-good as it was originally and generally I can get another year of it before I replace it.Only once have I ever had a battery that fell from near 100\% charge levels to near 0\% charge levels that wasn't fixed by re-conditioning the battery (as the original poster described) and that battery tech was NiMH.Considering the somewhat sophisticated chips in a modern Li-ion battery, I would say it's not unreasonable that Win7 is somehow tricking/confusing the battery into thinking that it's cells are prematurely dead and shutting them off.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009214</id>
	<title>Vostro battery murdered by 7</title>
	<author>clysher</author>
	<datestamp>1264950660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just chiming in to say that this issue is definitely real.  My Dell Vostro battery was about a year and a half old when I installed Windows 7 the first time.  When I finally decided to switch fully to 7 it only took about two weeks before I unplugged my computer and got a message that my battery needed to be replaced.  The battery until then had about an hour and a half of time on it running the 'balanced' power setting.  I noticed the message maybe two to three minutes after unplugging.  I was planning to buy a new battery, but if this is real then I hope a class action is in the works because I need a new battery, and this is obviously the reason I need one.  Also, since installing 7 I should point out that my battery now only has a seven minute life off ac power, even under Ubuntu 9.10, 8.04, and Windows XP.  In response to someone mentioning 'high performance' being the likely culprit, I only ran high performance power management while on ac power.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just chiming in to say that this issue is definitely real .
My Dell Vostro battery was about a year and a half old when I installed Windows 7 the first time .
When I finally decided to switch fully to 7 it only took about two weeks before I unplugged my computer and got a message that my battery needed to be replaced .
The battery until then had about an hour and a half of time on it running the 'balanced ' power setting .
I noticed the message maybe two to three minutes after unplugging .
I was planning to buy a new battery , but if this is real then I hope a class action is in the works because I need a new battery , and this is obviously the reason I need one .
Also , since installing 7 I should point out that my battery now only has a seven minute life off ac power , even under Ubuntu 9.10 , 8.04 , and Windows XP .
In response to someone mentioning 'high performance ' being the likely culprit , I only ran high performance power management while on ac power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just chiming in to say that this issue is definitely real.
My Dell Vostro battery was about a year and a half old when I installed Windows 7 the first time.
When I finally decided to switch fully to 7 it only took about two weeks before I unplugged my computer and got a message that my battery needed to be replaced.
The battery until then had about an hour and a half of time on it running the 'balanced' power setting.
I noticed the message maybe two to three minutes after unplugging.
I was planning to buy a new battery, but if this is real then I hope a class action is in the works because I need a new battery, and this is obviously the reason I need one.
Also, since installing 7 I should point out that my battery now only has a seven minute life off ac power, even under Ubuntu 9.10, 8.04, and Windows XP.
In response to someone mentioning 'high performance' being the likely culprit, I only ran high performance power management while on ac power.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31013266</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264967640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nobody seems to have mentioned that laptop batteries are more than just batteries.  They are batteries + electronics that can be programmed to stop recharging.  Mysteriously both of my laptop batteries (purchased at the same time, but one used a lot more than the other) "died" the same week.  Win7 is somehow triggering the batteries' kill switch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nobody seems to have mentioned that laptop batteries are more than just batteries .
They are batteries + electronics that can be programmed to stop recharging .
Mysteriously both of my laptop batteries ( purchased at the same time , but one used a lot more than the other ) " died " the same week .
Win7 is somehow triggering the batteries ' kill switch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nobody seems to have mentioned that laptop batteries are more than just batteries.
They are batteries + electronics that can be programmed to stop recharging.
Mysteriously both of my laptop batteries (purchased at the same time, but one used a lot more than the other) "died" the same week.
Win7 is somehow triggering the batteries' kill switch.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31016840</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>DJ Nathan V</author>
	<datestamp>1264941840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What hardware?  I've got a *5* year old Dell running Win7 RC and the battery perf has been on par if not slightly better than it was under XP.  Granted, it's an ancient battery so the perf is quite low but it hasn't committed suicide on me either.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What hardware ?
I 've got a * 5 * year old Dell running Win7 RC and the battery perf has been on par if not slightly better than it was under XP .
Granted , it 's an ancient battery so the perf is quite low but it has n't committed suicide on me either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What hardware?
I've got a *5* year old Dell running Win7 RC and the battery perf has been on par if not slightly better than it was under XP.
Granted, it's an ancient battery so the perf is quite low but it hasn't committed suicide on me either.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264957380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Awesome anecdote.  Thanks!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Awesome anecdote .
Thanks !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Awesome anecdote.
Thanks!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31009378</id>
	<title>Re:There is some kind of battery black magic</title>
	<author>HikingStick</author>
	<datestamp>1264951680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When supporting laptop users in a large office, we often saw the following pattern: those who typically used their batteries regularly (draining them most, if not all of the way), tended to need replacement batteries less often than those (mostly managers/officers) who typically left their machines plugged in/docked almost all of the time.  Some of those users would only use their laptops on battery power a few times a year.  They were the ones who reported battery problems (e.g., battery life less than an hour, battery would not charge) most often.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When supporting laptop users in a large office , we often saw the following pattern : those who typically used their batteries regularly ( draining them most , if not all of the way ) , tended to need replacement batteries less often than those ( mostly managers/officers ) who typically left their machines plugged in/docked almost all of the time .
Some of those users would only use their laptops on battery power a few times a year .
They were the ones who reported battery problems ( e.g. , battery life less than an hour , battery would not charge ) most often .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When supporting laptop users in a large office, we often saw the following pattern: those who typically used their batteries regularly (draining them most, if not all of the way), tended to need replacement batteries less often than those (mostly managers/officers) who typically left their machines plugged in/docked almost all of the time.
Some of those users would only use their laptops on battery power a few times a year.
They were the ones who reported battery problems (e.g., battery life less than an hour, battery would not charge) most often.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>oboylet</author>
	<datestamp>1264956840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Your <b>two year-old</b> laptop battery dies, and the first place you go is to blame the operating system? And the fact that it no longer works in any OS doesn't give you any hints, either? Come on, this isn't the toughest mystery you'll face this week.</p></div><p>I don't know about GP, but the laptop I bought for going back to grad school came preloaded with Vista and included a Win7 upgrade coupon.  When the disc arrived and I installed it, the machine wasn't more than 4 months old.  I had the exact same experience and the battery went from functional to a brick in about two weeks after win7 hit the hardware. Fortunately for me, HP shipped me a replacement battery.  It's an anecdote; not data, but it might be part of a larger trend.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your two year-old laptop battery dies , and the first place you go is to blame the operating system ?
And the fact that it no longer works in any OS does n't give you any hints , either ?
Come on , this is n't the toughest mystery you 'll face this week.I do n't know about GP , but the laptop I bought for going back to grad school came preloaded with Vista and included a Win7 upgrade coupon .
When the disc arrived and I installed it , the machine was n't more than 4 months old .
I had the exact same experience and the battery went from functional to a brick in about two weeks after win7 hit the hardware .
Fortunately for me , HP shipped me a replacement battery .
It 's an anecdote ; not data , but it might be part of a larger trend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your two year-old laptop battery dies, and the first place you go is to blame the operating system?
And the fact that it no longer works in any OS doesn't give you any hints, either?
Come on, this isn't the toughest mystery you'll face this week.I don't know about GP, but the laptop I bought for going back to grad school came preloaded with Vista and included a Win7 upgrade coupon.
When the disc arrived and I installed it, the machine wasn't more than 4 months old.
I had the exact same experience and the battery went from functional to a brick in about two weeks after win7 hit the hardware.
Fortunately for me, HP shipped me a replacement battery.
It's an anecdote; not data, but it might be part of a larger trend.
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	<title>explains my old Dell Inspiron 6000</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264947540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Put Windows 7 on there to give to my inlaws and i thought it was a coincidence that the battery died. still works when plugged in, but battery life is like 10 minutes.</p><p>formattted it and put Vista on it because the graphics were glitchy with windows 7 and the problem is still there</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Put Windows 7 on there to give to my inlaws and i thought it was a coincidence that the battery died .
still works when plugged in , but battery life is like 10 minutes.formattted it and put Vista on it because the graphics were glitchy with windows 7 and the problem is still there</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Put Windows 7 on there to give to my inlaws and i thought it was a coincidence that the battery died.
still works when plugged in, but battery life is like 10 minutes.formattted it and put Vista on it because the graphics were glitchy with windows 7 and the problem is still there</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31013364</id>
	<title>Re:My battery died</title>
	<author>SlashDev</author>
	<datestamp>1264968000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Li-ion batteries since 1996? Hmmm...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Li-ion batteries since 1996 ?
Hmmm.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Li-ion batteries since 1996?
Hmmm...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_0013257.31008718</id>
	<title>There is some kind of battery black magic</title>
	<author>aussersterne</author>
	<datestamp>1264947540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>in the world, and it's been there since before Windows 7.</p><p>I don't think I've ever had a friend, significant other, or family member that actually had a working battery in their laptop after the first 5-6 months or so, leaving them all permanently tethered until their next PC (which would end up that way again after the first 5-6 months).</p><p>Meanwhile, my batteries have always lasted the life of the unit with more or less full capacity.</p><p>I've long assumed it had something to do with usage patterns and charging habits, but I've not really looked into it more than that. One variable was that they were all using Windows (in some incarnation) and I rarely boot into Windows at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>in the world , and it 's been there since before Windows 7.I do n't think I 've ever had a friend , significant other , or family member that actually had a working battery in their laptop after the first 5-6 months or so , leaving them all permanently tethered until their next PC ( which would end up that way again after the first 5-6 months ) .Meanwhile , my batteries have always lasted the life of the unit with more or less full capacity.I 've long assumed it had something to do with usage patterns and charging habits , but I 've not really looked into it more than that .
One variable was that they were all using Windows ( in some incarnation ) and I rarely boot into Windows at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>in the world, and it's been there since before Windows 7.I don't think I've ever had a friend, significant other, or family member that actually had a working battery in their laptop after the first 5-6 months or so, leaving them all permanently tethered until their next PC (which would end up that way again after the first 5-6 months).Meanwhile, my batteries have always lasted the life of the unit with more or less full capacity.I've long assumed it had something to do with usage patterns and charging habits, but I've not really looked into it more than that.
One variable was that they were all using Windows (in some incarnation) and I rarely boot into Windows at all.</sentencetext>
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