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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_02_2124203</id>
	<title>Studies Reveal Why Kids Get Bullied and Rejected</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1265119500000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Thelasko writes <i>"I'm sure many here have been the victim of bullying at some point in their lives. A new study suggests why. '...now researchers have found at least <a href="http://www.livescience.com/culture/children-social-rejection-100202.html">three factors in a child's behavior that can lead to social rejection</a>. The factors involve a child's inability to pick up on and respond to nonverbal cues from their pals.' The article sketches out some ways teachers and councilors are working with bullied kids to help them develop the missing social skills."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thelasko writes " I 'm sure many here have been the victim of bullying at some point in their lives .
A new study suggests why .
'...now researchers have found at least three factors in a child 's behavior that can lead to social rejection .
The factors involve a child 's inability to pick up on and respond to nonverbal cues from their pals .
' The article sketches out some ways teachers and councilors are working with bullied kids to help them develop the missing social skills .
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<sentencetext>Thelasko writes "I'm sure many here have been the victim of bullying at some point in their lives.
A new study suggests why.
'...now researchers have found at least three factors in a child's behavior that can lead to social rejection.
The factors involve a child's inability to pick up on and respond to nonverbal cues from their pals.
' The article sketches out some ways teachers and councilors are working with bullied kids to help them develop the missing social skills.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31029696</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome, Blame the victim</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265292840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was walking with a buddy to the bus station at night down some side streets, and we saw one guys standing on the corner of the street in front of us. I looked behind and there was another guy behind us. A third guy came up and asked me for change. I told him no. He asked again more insistently and I looked him in the eye, then cocked my head towards the guy in front and behind us and said firmly, "I told you no." The guys all moved on. A little awareness that something was going on was enough to prevent something from happening. It won't always work out like this, but predators prefer easy targets, and aware targets are not their first choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was walking with a buddy to the bus station at night down some side streets , and we saw one guys standing on the corner of the street in front of us .
I looked behind and there was another guy behind us .
A third guy came up and asked me for change .
I told him no .
He asked again more insistently and I looked him in the eye , then cocked my head towards the guy in front and behind us and said firmly , " I told you no .
" The guys all moved on .
A little awareness that something was going on was enough to prevent something from happening .
It wo n't always work out like this , but predators prefer easy targets , and aware targets are not their first choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was walking with a buddy to the bus station at night down some side streets, and we saw one guys standing on the corner of the street in front of us.
I looked behind and there was another guy behind us.
A third guy came up and asked me for change.
I told him no.
He asked again more insistently and I looked him in the eye, then cocked my head towards the guy in front and behind us and said firmly, "I told you no.
" The guys all moved on.
A little awareness that something was going on was enough to prevent something from happening.
It won't always work out like this, but predators prefer easy targets, and aware targets are not their first choice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31010610</id>
	<title>Socially isolated</title>
	<author>Gilmoure</author>
	<datestamp>1264956960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Duh, basic pack mentality. Go for the ones that are different. Being the smallest kid in school (started kindergarten a year early), doing well on tests, asking lots of questions and actually having conversations with teachers and reading all the time, yeah, I was basic bully material from day one.</p><p>It stopped a bit in jr. high when I broke a kid's arm. He was holding on to a banister when he shoved me. Luckily, I was holding either The Silmarillion or Dune. I spun around and brought the spine down on his arm. I didn't get in any trouble (late '70's) as there were no knives involved. Things quieted down after that but were still not relaxed. Instead of calling me 'worm' (short for book worm), they now called me 'spaz.' High school was similar low-key stuff but with bigger crowd (2,500 students) was easy to just disappear. I called it social invisibility.</p><p>The article's interesting in there conclusions that bullied kids end up dropping out and doing drugs. For most of my friends, we specialized in computers and are now doing ok, even if we are still socially awkward. Maybe things have changed?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Duh , basic pack mentality .
Go for the ones that are different .
Being the smallest kid in school ( started kindergarten a year early ) , doing well on tests , asking lots of questions and actually having conversations with teachers and reading all the time , yeah , I was basic bully material from day one.It stopped a bit in jr. high when I broke a kid 's arm .
He was holding on to a banister when he shoved me .
Luckily , I was holding either The Silmarillion or Dune .
I spun around and brought the spine down on his arm .
I did n't get in any trouble ( late '70 's ) as there were no knives involved .
Things quieted down after that but were still not relaxed .
Instead of calling me 'worm ' ( short for book worm ) , they now called me 'spaz .
' High school was similar low-key stuff but with bigger crowd ( 2,500 students ) was easy to just disappear .
I called it social invisibility.The article 's interesting in there conclusions that bullied kids end up dropping out and doing drugs .
For most of my friends , we specialized in computers and are now doing ok , even if we are still socially awkward .
Maybe things have changed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Duh, basic pack mentality.
Go for the ones that are different.
Being the smallest kid in school (started kindergarten a year early), doing well on tests, asking lots of questions and actually having conversations with teachers and reading all the time, yeah, I was basic bully material from day one.It stopped a bit in jr. high when I broke a kid's arm.
He was holding on to a banister when he shoved me.
Luckily, I was holding either The Silmarillion or Dune.
I spun around and brought the spine down on his arm.
I didn't get in any trouble (late '70's) as there were no knives involved.
Things quieted down after that but were still not relaxed.
Instead of calling me 'worm' (short for book worm), they now called me 'spaz.
' High school was similar low-key stuff but with bigger crowd (2,500 students) was easy to just disappear.
I called it social invisibility.The article's interesting in there conclusions that bullied kids end up dropping out and doing drugs.
For most of my friends, we specialized in computers and are now doing ok, even if we are still socially awkward.
Maybe things have changed?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31007666</id>
	<title>So the fault lies with the bullied child?</title>
	<author>VShael</author>
	<datestamp>1264935060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because he can't recognise social clues, HE'S the one that needs more education?</p><p>How about you put the bullies into some remedial education? The classes where they teach them that violence is wrong?</p><p>Oh, wait, that might adversely affect the number of football players in your school, and army recruits when they're older.</p><p>And if there's one thing Imperius Novae Roma is going to need in the future, it's soldiers and gladiators.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because he ca n't recognise social clues , HE 'S the one that needs more education ? How about you put the bullies into some remedial education ?
The classes where they teach them that violence is wrong ? Oh , wait , that might adversely affect the number of football players in your school , and army recruits when they 're older.And if there 's one thing Imperius Novae Roma is going to need in the future , it 's soldiers and gladiators .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because he can't recognise social clues, HE'S the one that needs more education?How about you put the bullies into some remedial education?
The classes where they teach them that violence is wrong?Oh, wait, that might adversely affect the number of football players in your school, and army recruits when they're older.And if there's one thing Imperius Novae Roma is going to need in the future, it's soldiers and gladiators.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004464</id>
	<title>sure, its the victim's fault</title>
	<author>Gothmolly</author>
	<datestamp>1265124240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look kid, you're different.  Want to make friends, and by that I mean save your ass getting kicked?  Easy - suck up to, and agree with what at least 51\% of the rest of the class does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look kid , you 're different .
Want to make friends , and by that I mean save your ass getting kicked ?
Easy - suck up to , and agree with what at least 51 \ % of the rest of the class does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look kid, you're different.
Want to make friends, and by that I mean save your ass getting kicked?
Easy - suck up to, and agree with what at least 51\% of the rest of the class does.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004746</id>
	<title>Let's blame the victim!</title>
	<author>lanner</author>
	<datestamp>1265125980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uh, it's pretty clear to me that there is an overtone in this article that it's victim's fault that they are not well liked or have social problems.</p><p>While I accept that this may be true in some cases, and a contributing factor in many instances, it's shocking and abhorrent to me that someone might suggest that it's the victim's fault that they get physically assaulted, mentally abused, pressured to do drugs, etc.</p><p>The common attribute to bullying is bullies.  They are the source of the problem (as often a single link in a chain of abuse) and it would be wise to focus on identifying, exposing, and properly reacting to their abusive behavior against others.</p><p>I don't want to attack the entire study based on my perception of this article, and I'll support that having poor social skills can contribute to the likelihood of being a bully victim, but WTF?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh , it 's pretty clear to me that there is an overtone in this article that it 's victim 's fault that they are not well liked or have social problems.While I accept that this may be true in some cases , and a contributing factor in many instances , it 's shocking and abhorrent to me that someone might suggest that it 's the victim 's fault that they get physically assaulted , mentally abused , pressured to do drugs , etc.The common attribute to bullying is bullies .
They are the source of the problem ( as often a single link in a chain of abuse ) and it would be wise to focus on identifying , exposing , and properly reacting to their abusive behavior against others.I do n't want to attack the entire study based on my perception of this article , and I 'll support that having poor social skills can contribute to the likelihood of being a bully victim , but WTF ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh, it's pretty clear to me that there is an overtone in this article that it's victim's fault that they are not well liked or have social problems.While I accept that this may be true in some cases, and a contributing factor in many instances, it's shocking and abhorrent to me that someone might suggest that it's the victim's fault that they get physically assaulted, mentally abused, pressured to do drugs, etc.The common attribute to bullying is bullies.
They are the source of the problem (as often a single link in a chain of abuse) and it would be wise to focus on identifying, exposing, and properly reacting to their abusive behavior against others.I don't want to attack the entire study based on my perception of this article, and I'll support that having poor social skills can contribute to the likelihood of being a bully victim, but WTF?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004732</id>
	<title>not that it is bad that you stood up for yourself</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1265125920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>but i take exception with a phrase in your last sentence</p><p>"good to know that you are in control"</p><p>your actions do not sound like someone in control. in fact, you were out of control. you say so yourself</p><p>"It felt empowering afterward but at the time I was too terrified horrified and enraged to notice"</p><p>again i'm glad you stood up for yourself, but recognize that this temporary rage of yours was not really a good thing to be driven to. absolutely necessary, yes, but not good. not everything we are driven and compelled to do in this life are good actions we should be happy happened. not that i see you taking joy in the event, but there are others out there who might have enjoyed it</p><p>as an allegory, it is entirely appropriate and reasonable to kill someone entering your house in the dead of night: you have no idea what his intentions are, and they're obviously not good. however, a truly moral person takes no sense of joy in the unfortunately necessary action, only sadness</p><p>when you take pleasure in the infliction of pain on others, no matter the context or scenario, you begin to become the bully you are fighting</p><p>i'm not saying you took such joy, but i'm merely using your scenario as a way to jump off and make a deeper point here</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but i take exception with a phrase in your last sentence " good to know that you are in control " your actions do not sound like someone in control .
in fact , you were out of control .
you say so yourself " It felt empowering afterward but at the time I was too terrified horrified and enraged to notice " again i 'm glad you stood up for yourself , but recognize that this temporary rage of yours was not really a good thing to be driven to .
absolutely necessary , yes , but not good .
not everything we are driven and compelled to do in this life are good actions we should be happy happened .
not that i see you taking joy in the event , but there are others out there who might have enjoyed itas an allegory , it is entirely appropriate and reasonable to kill someone entering your house in the dead of night : you have no idea what his intentions are , and they 're obviously not good .
however , a truly moral person takes no sense of joy in the unfortunately necessary action , only sadnesswhen you take pleasure in the infliction of pain on others , no matter the context or scenario , you begin to become the bully you are fightingi 'm not saying you took such joy , but i 'm merely using your scenario as a way to jump off and make a deeper point here</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but i take exception with a phrase in your last sentence"good to know that you are in control"your actions do not sound like someone in control.
in fact, you were out of control.
you say so yourself"It felt empowering afterward but at the time I was too terrified horrified and enraged to notice"again i'm glad you stood up for yourself, but recognize that this temporary rage of yours was not really a good thing to be driven to.
absolutely necessary, yes, but not good.
not everything we are driven and compelled to do in this life are good actions we should be happy happened.
not that i see you taking joy in the event, but there are others out there who might have enjoyed itas an allegory, it is entirely appropriate and reasonable to kill someone entering your house in the dead of night: you have no idea what his intentions are, and they're obviously not good.
however, a truly moral person takes no sense of joy in the unfortunately necessary action, only sadnesswhen you take pleasure in the infliction of pain on others, no matter the context or scenario, you begin to become the bully you are fightingi'm not saying you took such joy, but i'm merely using your scenario as a way to jump off and make a deeper point here</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31006324</id>
	<title>Re:fags</title>
	<author>Chris Tucker</author>
	<datestamp>1265137020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"<i>fags get bullied because they're little useless sacks of dog shit.</i>"</p><p>The Anonymous Coward closet case basement-dwelling Cheeto-gorging self loathing homosexual troll says what?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" fags get bullied because they 're little useless sacks of dog shit .
" The Anonymous Coward closet case basement-dwelling Cheeto-gorging self loathing homosexual troll says what ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"fags get bullied because they're little useless sacks of dog shit.
"The Anonymous Coward closet case basement-dwelling Cheeto-gorging self loathing homosexual troll says what?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005104</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome, Blame the victim</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265127960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, though, how you act makes a huge difference to how likely you are to be mugged. It's actually quite useful knowledge: the places to avoid, how to act if you're in a strange place, how to react when potential muggers interact with you to gauge how safe a target you are, what to do if you are being mugged (e.g., never believe what a mugger says when he tries to get you to do something, especially if it involves going someplace where he'll find more private).</p><p>It's fine to say "muggers are bad people" -- we know they are.  But that doesn't get you far in the area of self-protection. "Make all the people in the world good" is not a viable strategy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , though , how you act makes a huge difference to how likely you are to be mugged .
It 's actually quite useful knowledge : the places to avoid , how to act if you 're in a strange place , how to react when potential muggers interact with you to gauge how safe a target you are , what to do if you are being mugged ( e.g. , never believe what a mugger says when he tries to get you to do something , especially if it involves going someplace where he 'll find more private ) .It 's fine to say " muggers are bad people " -- we know they are .
But that does n't get you far in the area of self-protection .
" Make all the people in the world good " is not a viable strategy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, though, how you act makes a huge difference to how likely you are to be mugged.
It's actually quite useful knowledge: the places to avoid, how to act if you're in a strange place, how to react when potential muggers interact with you to gauge how safe a target you are, what to do if you are being mugged (e.g., never believe what a mugger says when he tries to get you to do something, especially if it involves going someplace where he'll find more private).It's fine to say "muggers are bad people" -- we know they are.
But that doesn't get you far in the area of self-protection.
"Make all the people in the world good" is not a viable strategy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31017064</id>
	<title>Re:I see</title>
	<author>init100</author>
	<datestamp>1264943220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you're gonna be fucking around on windy cliffs, learn to climb, grab some rope so you don't fall, and learn to protect yourself. It's nobody else's duty to do so.</p></div><p>Your analogy is flawed. There is no legal mandate that you play around on windy cliffs, but there is a legal mandate that kids must attend school. That's why I consider those that make you go to school at least partially responsible for any problems you encounter there.</p></div>
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<tokenext>If you 're gon na be fucking around on windy cliffs , learn to climb , grab some rope so you do n't fall , and learn to protect yourself .
It 's nobody else 's duty to do so.Your analogy is flawed .
There is no legal mandate that you play around on windy cliffs , but there is a legal mandate that kids must attend school .
That 's why I consider those that make you go to school at least partially responsible for any problems you encounter there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're gonna be fucking around on windy cliffs, learn to climb, grab some rope so you don't fall, and learn to protect yourself.
It's nobody else's duty to do so.Your analogy is flawed.
There is no legal mandate that you play around on windy cliffs, but there is a legal mandate that kids must attend school.
That's why I consider those that make you go to school at least partially responsible for any problems you encounter there.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31013100</id>
	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1264966980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>it also gives the bully a taste of what will happen later in life if you insist on picking on people.</p></div> </blockquote><p>They'll get promoted, if they work as cops/TSA agents.</p></div>
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<tokenext>it also gives the bully a taste of what will happen later in life if you insist on picking on people .
They 'll get promoted , if they work as cops/TSA agents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it also gives the bully a taste of what will happen later in life if you insist on picking on people.
They'll get promoted, if they work as cops/TSA agents.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31009280</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome, Blame the victim</title>
	<author>indiechild</author>
	<datestamp>1264951020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For a good read on this topic, look up Marc Animal MacYoung. Very, very interesting material.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For a good read on this topic , look up Marc Animal MacYoung .
Very , very interesting material .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For a good read on this topic, look up Marc Animal MacYoung.
Very, very interesting material.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31007858</id>
	<title>Re:Let's blame the victim!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264937520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Uh, it's pretty clear to me that there is an overtone in this article that it's victim's fault</p></div><p>No, it's just that bullies are like sharks. The attack is always the shark's fault, but there are certain evasive things you can learn so that you avoid from getting attacked by all of them</p></div>
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<tokenext>Uh , it 's pretty clear to me that there is an overtone in this article that it 's victim 's faultNo , it 's just that bullies are like sharks .
The attack is always the shark 's fault , but there are certain evasive things you can learn so that you avoid from getting attacked by all of them</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh, it's pretty clear to me that there is an overtone in this article that it's victim's faultNo, it's just that bullies are like sharks.
The attack is always the shark's fault, but there are certain evasive things you can learn so that you avoid from getting attacked by all of them
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004496</id>
	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>timmarhy</author>
	<datestamp>1265124540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>+1<p>
I was never really bullied because i fought back early on, plus i'm a beefy guy to begin with so inspite of me being into computers no one bothered me. later in high school i put my skills to use making home brew, and i became very popular (suprise suprise).</p><p>
I think the number one thing teachers and parents need to do is let kids fight their own damn battles. if jnr gets bullied, let him give the kid a black eye. it also gives the bully a taste of what will happen later in life if you insist on picking on people. all this passive agressive shit where your only allowed to express yourself according to someone elses rules is bullcrap.</p><p>
I know if my kids were getting picked on at school i wouldn't sit down and tell them to care and share, i send them to boxing lessons and tell them to defend themselfs. people taking shit is the result of this passive nonsense people have been bred on for the last 20 years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1 I was never really bullied because i fought back early on , plus i 'm a beefy guy to begin with so inspite of me being into computers no one bothered me .
later in high school i put my skills to use making home brew , and i became very popular ( suprise suprise ) .
I think the number one thing teachers and parents need to do is let kids fight their own damn battles .
if jnr gets bullied , let him give the kid a black eye .
it also gives the bully a taste of what will happen later in life if you insist on picking on people .
all this passive agressive shit where your only allowed to express yourself according to someone elses rules is bullcrap .
I know if my kids were getting picked on at school i would n't sit down and tell them to care and share , i send them to boxing lessons and tell them to defend themselfs .
people taking shit is the result of this passive nonsense people have been bred on for the last 20 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+1
I was never really bullied because i fought back early on, plus i'm a beefy guy to begin with so inspite of me being into computers no one bothered me.
later in high school i put my skills to use making home brew, and i became very popular (suprise suprise).
I think the number one thing teachers and parents need to do is let kids fight their own damn battles.
if jnr gets bullied, let him give the kid a black eye.
it also gives the bully a taste of what will happen later in life if you insist on picking on people.
all this passive agressive shit where your only allowed to express yourself according to someone elses rules is bullcrap.
I know if my kids were getting picked on at school i wouldn't sit down and tell them to care and share, i send them to boxing lessons and tell them to defend themselfs.
people taking shit is the result of this passive nonsense people have been bred on for the last 20 years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004502</id>
	<title>The Comments are Really Interesting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265124600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So many people are out there saying "no, it's not the victim's fault, don't blame the victim" but they miss the entire point.  People have always tried to end bullying by punishing the bullies, but it has never been an effective way to solve the problem.  If anything, it just makes the bully more likely to be abusive.  This article is discussing why some are bullied and rejected while others aren't.  And it goes to the heart of what can be done, which is teaching social skills.  The punishment system doesn't work.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So many people are out there saying " no , it 's not the victim 's fault , do n't blame the victim " but they miss the entire point .
People have always tried to end bullying by punishing the bullies , but it has never been an effective way to solve the problem .
If anything , it just makes the bully more likely to be abusive .
This article is discussing why some are bullied and rejected while others are n't .
And it goes to the heart of what can be done , which is teaching social skills .
The punishment system does n't work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So many people are out there saying "no, it's not the victim's fault, don't blame the victim" but they miss the entire point.
People have always tried to end bullying by punishing the bullies, but it has never been an effective way to solve the problem.
If anything, it just makes the bully more likely to be abusive.
This article is discussing why some are bullied and rejected while others aren't.
And it goes to the heart of what can be done, which is teaching social skills.
The punishment system doesn't work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005730</id>
	<title>They got it backwards..</title>
	<author>greywire</author>
	<datestamp>1265131980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While it may be true that in some ways a person may bring upon themselves these acts of violence and oppression, it seems to me the much more important and useful study (and, then, the more important and useful target of attempts to correct the behavior) would be:</p><p>Why do some people react to others behaviors by bullying them or committing acts of violence or oppression, instead of something more constructive (helping them, ignoring it, etc).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While it may be true that in some ways a person may bring upon themselves these acts of violence and oppression , it seems to me the much more important and useful study ( and , then , the more important and useful target of attempts to correct the behavior ) would be : Why do some people react to others behaviors by bullying them or committing acts of violence or oppression , instead of something more constructive ( helping them , ignoring it , etc ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While it may be true that in some ways a person may bring upon themselves these acts of violence and oppression, it seems to me the much more important and useful study (and, then, the more important and useful target of attempts to correct the behavior) would be:Why do some people react to others behaviors by bullying them or committing acts of violence or oppression, instead of something more constructive (helping them, ignoring it, etc).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004512</id>
	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>\_merlin</author>
	<datestamp>1265124600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, I was bullied until I got strong enough (and psychotic enough) that people found out it was a bad idea to mess with me.  I got in a lot of trouble for fighting back, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I was bullied until I got strong enough ( and psychotic enough ) that people found out it was a bad idea to mess with me .
I got in a lot of trouble for fighting back , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I was bullied until I got strong enough (and psychotic enough) that people found out it was a bad idea to mess with me.
I got in a lot of trouble for fighting back, though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005470</id>
	<title>Getting mugged an analogy for getting mugged???</title>
	<author>Belial6</author>
	<datestamp>1265130180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How is "Get Beaten and Mugged" an analogy for 'Get Beaten and Mugged'?  And how do you expect a 12 year old to avoid the crime-ridden neighborhood when the alternative is going to jail?  The state mandates kids go to school.  While home schooling is legal, the kid has very little to no part in making that decision.  The school is literally the neighborhood that the kids are literally getting beaten and mugged in.  Just because "Bullying" sounds nicer doesn't mean that it isn't "Getting Beaten and Mugged".<br> <br>

So, your comparison (not analogy) between adult and childhood beatings and muggings actually highlights the absurdity of blaming the victim.  If the police were to force you to walk that dark alley in a crime-ridden neighborhood 5 days a week, back and forth for 6 hours a day, 9 months a year, and then told you it was your own fault for getting mugged, what would you do?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How is " Get Beaten and Mugged " an analogy for 'Get Beaten and Mugged ' ?
And how do you expect a 12 year old to avoid the crime-ridden neighborhood when the alternative is going to jail ?
The state mandates kids go to school .
While home schooling is legal , the kid has very little to no part in making that decision .
The school is literally the neighborhood that the kids are literally getting beaten and mugged in .
Just because " Bullying " sounds nicer does n't mean that it is n't " Getting Beaten and Mugged " .
So , your comparison ( not analogy ) between adult and childhood beatings and muggings actually highlights the absurdity of blaming the victim .
If the police were to force you to walk that dark alley in a crime-ridden neighborhood 5 days a week , back and forth for 6 hours a day , 9 months a year , and then told you it was your own fault for getting mugged , what would you do ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is "Get Beaten and Mugged" an analogy for 'Get Beaten and Mugged'?
And how do you expect a 12 year old to avoid the crime-ridden neighborhood when the alternative is going to jail?
The state mandates kids go to school.
While home schooling is legal, the kid has very little to no part in making that decision.
The school is literally the neighborhood that the kids are literally getting beaten and mugged in.
Just because "Bullying" sounds nicer doesn't mean that it isn't "Getting Beaten and Mugged".
So, your comparison (not analogy) between adult and childhood beatings and muggings actually highlights the absurdity of blaming the victim.
If the police were to force you to walk that dark alley in a crime-ridden neighborhood 5 days a week, back and forth for 6 hours a day, 9 months a year, and then told you it was your own fault for getting mugged, what would you do?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31018670</id>
	<title>fMRI</title>
	<author>mahadiga</author>
	<datestamp>1264956660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We can identify <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspd" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">ASPD</a> [wikipedia.org] traits in Children with a simple <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fmri" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">fMRI</a> [wikipedia.org] test.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We can identify ASPD [ wikipedia.org ] traits in Children with a simple fMRI [ wikipedia.org ] test .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We can identify ASPD [wikipedia.org] traits in Children with a simple fMRI [wikipedia.org] test.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005030</id>
	<title>You're all missing the point</title>
	<author>HeLLaCooL75</author>
	<datestamp>1265127660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The study was focusing on factors that lead to bullying. It was not a moral study on 'who' is at fault.
It is addressing social factors that bullies respond too. In trying to understand all the factors of human psychology on both side of the event are we ever to effectively deal with the problem. ie We must understand what the bullying is responding to so we can deal with the bully more effectively.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The study was focusing on factors that lead to bullying .
It was not a moral study on 'who ' is at fault .
It is addressing social factors that bullies respond too .
In trying to understand all the factors of human psychology on both side of the event are we ever to effectively deal with the problem .
ie We must understand what the bullying is responding to so we can deal with the bully more effectively .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The study was focusing on factors that lead to bullying.
It was not a moral study on 'who' is at fault.
It is addressing social factors that bullies respond too.
In trying to understand all the factors of human psychology on both side of the event are we ever to effectively deal with the problem.
ie We must understand what the bullying is responding to so we can deal with the bully more effectively.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004422</id>
	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>QuantumG</author>
	<datestamp>1265124000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First year in high school I was bullied, struck back, and then was labeled as a hot head.  Every other hot head considered me one of them and assumed the only way to solve disagreements with me was with violence.  It took a while to shake that.</p><p>Just a reminder that fighting back has its own consequences.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First year in high school I was bullied , struck back , and then was labeled as a hot head .
Every other hot head considered me one of them and assumed the only way to solve disagreements with me was with violence .
It took a while to shake that.Just a reminder that fighting back has its own consequences .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First year in high school I was bullied, struck back, and then was labeled as a hot head.
Every other hot head considered me one of them and assumed the only way to solve disagreements with me was with violence.
It took a while to shake that.Just a reminder that fighting back has its own consequences.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31006510</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome, Blame the victim</title>
	<author>psithurism</author>
	<datestamp>1265138940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hold on, this article is talking about kids giving each other wedgies. When I met a really uppity kid in school I'd give him a wedgie and hope he reflects on the fact that he was being really annoying before getting that wedgie.</p><p>Getting prison shanked is a pretty big leap from there, but still, you say someones head looks like your poop or you follow them around singing that damn song that never ends, maybe you could use some social skills to prevent that from happening again?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hold on , this article is talking about kids giving each other wedgies .
When I met a really uppity kid in school I 'd give him a wedgie and hope he reflects on the fact that he was being really annoying before getting that wedgie.Getting prison shanked is a pretty big leap from there , but still , you say someones head looks like your poop or you follow them around singing that damn song that never ends , maybe you could use some social skills to prevent that from happening again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hold on, this article is talking about kids giving each other wedgies.
When I met a really uppity kid in school I'd give him a wedgie and hope he reflects on the fact that he was being really annoying before getting that wedgie.Getting prison shanked is a pretty big leap from there, but still, you say someones head looks like your poop or you follow them around singing that damn song that never ends, maybe you could use some social skills to prevent that from happening again?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005438</id>
	<title>Re:The Comments are Really Interesting</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1265129940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The social pecking order at many schools is all about who can chuck a football the farthest.<p><div class="quote"><p>And it goes to the heart of what can be done, which is teaching social skills.</p></div><p>Which can be interpreted as, "My little Bubba is the star football chucker. So you'd all better read those non verbal signals and face up to it. You math whizzes aren't worth shit in the school  pecking order."</p><p><div class="quote"><p> The punishment system doesn't work</p></div><p>Which can be interpreted as, "Don't you dare pick on my little Bubba for defending his rightful place in the pecking order. He's going to have problems enough when he discovers that those football chucking skills won't buy him any more than the lead on a ditch-digging crew out in the real world."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The social pecking order at many schools is all about who can chuck a football the farthest.And it goes to the heart of what can be done , which is teaching social skills.Which can be interpreted as , " My little Bubba is the star football chucker .
So you 'd all better read those non verbal signals and face up to it .
You math whizzes are n't worth shit in the school pecking order .
" The punishment system does n't workWhich can be interpreted as , " Do n't you dare pick on my little Bubba for defending his rightful place in the pecking order .
He 's going to have problems enough when he discovers that those football chucking skills wo n't buy him any more than the lead on a ditch-digging crew out in the real world .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The social pecking order at many schools is all about who can chuck a football the farthest.And it goes to the heart of what can be done, which is teaching social skills.Which can be interpreted as, "My little Bubba is the star football chucker.
So you'd all better read those non verbal signals and face up to it.
You math whizzes aren't worth shit in the school  pecking order.
" The punishment system doesn't workWhich can be interpreted as, "Don't you dare pick on my little Bubba for defending his rightful place in the pecking order.
He's going to have problems enough when he discovers that those football chucking skills won't buy him any more than the lead on a ditch-digging crew out in the real world.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31007092</id>
	<title>Re:not that it is bad that you stood up for yourse</title>
	<author>modecx</author>
	<datestamp>1264928640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Also, I totally don't think it is reasonable to shoot someone breaking and entering. Hell it could be an old friend throwing a surprise, or a drunk gone to the wrong house or... lots of things. Point a gun at him and tell him to fuck off if you are that paranoid. Me, I'd stay in my room, shout down at them to fuck off and that I have a gun. If they come in its fair game. Otherwise I'd rather have them leave with my T.V. / w/e than shoot a person.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:S</i></p><p>Well, I'm glad you think that you can instantly understand the motives behind a person(s) who has the mindset required to willfully and forcibly enter another person's home, with no knowledge of its occupancy... And if your home is occupied, know that this act is statistically likely to happen in the middle of night, or while other members of your family are home, but the working man (you, I guess) is not. That's just the thing, you don't know if they're intent on a simple robbery or rape and/or murder/arson. Unless you're some kind of empathic superman, but that leaves the rest of us out of luck.</p><p>The safest course of action is to assume the worst, maybe not that they're PCP riddled zombie al-queda nazi operatives, but that they do mean harm to you and your loved ones. It happens all the time, even in places everyone believes to be "safe". As the man of the house, and the defender of the home, it's not prudent to lock yourself up in a room unless you know that your family is safe. And that makes me believe your response is indicative as that of a single person with no children.</p><p>But perhaps I misjudge. Someone once said: where you stand depends on where you sit. If the TV is the worst you have to loose, then maybe it makes sense to hole up in your room. As for me, if I'm fortunate to catch a potential invader before they enter, they'll get all the warnings in the world, and I'll call 911 in the process. But the window/door/whatever is going to be covered, and if they're crazy/stupid enough to come in despite all of that, it's going to look like hamburger grinder exploded when they come to take the body.</p><p>If I catch 'em inside, they get one warning and if they do anything but turn tail or lie on the ground, they're likewise toast. I guess it's a good thing I don't associate with people likely to break in to make a surprise, and therefore earn a Darwin award in response.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , I totally do n't think it is reasonable to shoot someone breaking and entering .
Hell it could be an old friend throwing a surprise , or a drunk gone to the wrong house or... lots of things .
Point a gun at him and tell him to fuck off if you are that paranoid .
Me , I 'd stay in my room , shout down at them to fuck off and that I have a gun .
If they come in its fair game .
Otherwise I 'd rather have them leave with my T.V .
/ w/e than shoot a person .
: SWell , I 'm glad you think that you can instantly understand the motives behind a person ( s ) who has the mindset required to willfully and forcibly enter another person 's home , with no knowledge of its occupancy... And if your home is occupied , know that this act is statistically likely to happen in the middle of night , or while other members of your family are home , but the working man ( you , I guess ) is not .
That 's just the thing , you do n't know if they 're intent on a simple robbery or rape and/or murder/arson .
Unless you 're some kind of empathic superman , but that leaves the rest of us out of luck.The safest course of action is to assume the worst , maybe not that they 're PCP riddled zombie al-queda nazi operatives , but that they do mean harm to you and your loved ones .
It happens all the time , even in places everyone believes to be " safe " .
As the man of the house , and the defender of the home , it 's not prudent to lock yourself up in a room unless you know that your family is safe .
And that makes me believe your response is indicative as that of a single person with no children.But perhaps I misjudge .
Someone once said : where you stand depends on where you sit .
If the TV is the worst you have to loose , then maybe it makes sense to hole up in your room .
As for me , if I 'm fortunate to catch a potential invader before they enter , they 'll get all the warnings in the world , and I 'll call 911 in the process .
But the window/door/whatever is going to be covered , and if they 're crazy/stupid enough to come in despite all of that , it 's going to look like hamburger grinder exploded when they come to take the body.If I catch 'em inside , they get one warning and if they do anything but turn tail or lie on the ground , they 're likewise toast .
I guess it 's a good thing I do n't associate with people likely to break in to make a surprise , and therefore earn a Darwin award in response .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, I totally don't think it is reasonable to shoot someone breaking and entering.
Hell it could be an old friend throwing a surprise, or a drunk gone to the wrong house or... lots of things.
Point a gun at him and tell him to fuck off if you are that paranoid.
Me, I'd stay in my room, shout down at them to fuck off and that I have a gun.
If they come in its fair game.
Otherwise I'd rather have them leave with my T.V.
/ w/e than shoot a person.
:SWell, I'm glad you think that you can instantly understand the motives behind a person(s) who has the mindset required to willfully and forcibly enter another person's home, with no knowledge of its occupancy... And if your home is occupied, know that this act is statistically likely to happen in the middle of night, or while other members of your family are home, but the working man (you, I guess) is not.
That's just the thing, you don't know if they're intent on a simple robbery or rape and/or murder/arson.
Unless you're some kind of empathic superman, but that leaves the rest of us out of luck.The safest course of action is to assume the worst, maybe not that they're PCP riddled zombie al-queda nazi operatives, but that they do mean harm to you and your loved ones.
It happens all the time, even in places everyone believes to be "safe".
As the man of the house, and the defender of the home, it's not prudent to lock yourself up in a room unless you know that your family is safe.
And that makes me believe your response is indicative as that of a single person with no children.But perhaps I misjudge.
Someone once said: where you stand depends on where you sit.
If the TV is the worst you have to loose, then maybe it makes sense to hole up in your room.
As for me, if I'm fortunate to catch a potential invader before they enter, they'll get all the warnings in the world, and I'll call 911 in the process.
But the window/door/whatever is going to be covered, and if they're crazy/stupid enough to come in despite all of that, it's going to look like hamburger grinder exploded when they come to take the body.If I catch 'em inside, they get one warning and if they do anything but turn tail or lie on the ground, they're likewise toast.
I guess it's a good thing I don't associate with people likely to break in to make a surprise, and therefore earn a Darwin award in response.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005410</id>
	<title>In other words</title>
	<author>MortimerV</author>
	<datestamp>1265129760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Kids who <i>were bullies</i> also had problems in at least one of three different areas of nonverbal communication: reading nonverbal cues; understanding their social meaning; and coming up with options for resolving a social conflict."</p><p>Doesn't that still work? If the bullied are projecting in a nonverbal manner, the bullies are missing it or ignoring it. Either way, they have a problem communicating.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Kids who were bullies also had problems in at least one of three different areas of nonverbal communication : reading nonverbal cues ; understanding their social meaning ; and coming up with options for resolving a social conflict .
" Does n't that still work ?
If the bullied are projecting in a nonverbal manner , the bullies are missing it or ignoring it .
Either way , they have a problem communicating .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Kids who were bullies also had problems in at least one of three different areas of nonverbal communication: reading nonverbal cues; understanding their social meaning; and coming up with options for resolving a social conflict.
"Doesn't that still work?
If the bullied are projecting in a nonverbal manner, the bullies are missing it or ignoring it.
Either way, they have a problem communicating.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004546</id>
	<title>fags</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265124720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>fags get bullied because they're little useless sacks of dog shit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>fags get bullied because they 're little useless sacks of dog shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>fags get bullied because they're little useless sacks of dog shit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31007658</id>
	<title>The victims are responsible but not to blame</title>
	<author>Vahokif</author>
	<datestamp>1264935000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Kids get bullied because they have below-average social skills, which isn't their fault of course, but you can't ignore that. Like it or not, learning to deal with bullies is a useful life experience. If you really want to help these kids, find a way for them to learn social skills without getting beaten up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Kids get bullied because they have below-average social skills , which is n't their fault of course , but you ca n't ignore that .
Like it or not , learning to deal with bullies is a useful life experience .
If you really want to help these kids , find a way for them to learn social skills without getting beaten up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kids get bullied because they have below-average social skills, which isn't their fault of course, but you can't ignore that.
Like it or not, learning to deal with bullies is a useful life experience.
If you really want to help these kids, find a way for them to learn social skills without getting beaten up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31007862</id>
	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>Nathrael</author>
	<datestamp>1264937520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You don't win a fight with raw physical strength - you win it by being smart and aggressive. When I first began fighting back, I wasn't much of a boxer either, but I aimed at where it hurts (yes, call it fighting dirty, but it works), evaded when they tried to strike back and through technique overpowered my "enemy" and took him into stranglehold. A few "gentle" words "whispered" into his ear ensured that he'd never pick on me again.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't win a fight with raw physical strength - you win it by being smart and aggressive .
When I first began fighting back , I was n't much of a boxer either , but I aimed at where it hurts ( yes , call it fighting dirty , but it works ) , evaded when they tried to strike back and through technique overpowered my " enemy " and took him into stranglehold .
A few " gentle " words " whispered " into his ear ensured that he 'd never pick on me again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't win a fight with raw physical strength - you win it by being smart and aggressive.
When I first began fighting back, I wasn't much of a boxer either, but I aimed at where it hurts (yes, call it fighting dirty, but it works), evaded when they tried to strike back and through technique overpowered my "enemy" and took him into stranglehold.
A few "gentle" words "whispered" into his ear ensured that he'd never pick on me again.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004784</id>
	<title>Re:The Comments are Really Interesting</title>
	<author>Livius</author>
	<datestamp>1265126340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not really that punishment doesn't work, but it's that when children, especially male children, are left to themselves, they recreate the social order of a hunter-gatherer group, where competition and brutality are valued.  The child doesn't care about punishment from adults if he is rewarded by his peers.</p><p>Usually bullying is actually a manifestation of insecurity on the part of the bully.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not really that punishment does n't work , but it 's that when children , especially male children , are left to themselves , they recreate the social order of a hunter-gatherer group , where competition and brutality are valued .
The child does n't care about punishment from adults if he is rewarded by his peers.Usually bullying is actually a manifestation of insecurity on the part of the bully .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not really that punishment doesn't work, but it's that when children, especially male children, are left to themselves, they recreate the social order of a hunter-gatherer group, where competition and brutality are valued.
The child doesn't care about punishment from adults if he is rewarded by his peers.Usually bullying is actually a manifestation of insecurity on the part of the bully.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004694</id>
	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>Jason Levine</author>
	<datestamp>1265125620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That didn't stop it for me.  One kid made fun of me so much I couldn't take it anymore.  So I grabbed his hand, pulled him towards me and executed a perfect clothesline, knocking him to the ground.  (I was a fan of wrestling at the time.  It may be fake, but those moves - if properly pulled off - can hurt.)</p><p>The next group of kids who made fun of me were... well, a group of kids.  If I passed one of them in the hall, they wouldn't say anything, however if two or more of them were there, they'd tease me.  They'd follow me from class to class taunting me.  If I tried losing them, they'd keep up and taunt me more for trying to lose them.  They'd also block my entrance into my classes.  (Classes that they weren't in.)  One time, while trying to push my way through, I saw red.  And I don't mean that as a metaphor.  The world literally took on a red hue and I was about to go for the throat of the nearest kid when my teacher arrived and drove them away.  If it wasn't for his arrival, I think things would have turned very ugly, very fast.  I might have even done some permanent damage to the kid.</p><p>The constant taunting took its toll on me.  Even bus rides without those kids was torture.  Kids would be laughing in the back completely unrelated to me, but I was convinced that it was directed at me.  Luckily, a friend of mine was on good terms with these kids, told them of how it was really hurting me, and they backed off.  To them, it was all in good fun.  It didn't even occur to them that their constant taunting, every single school day for years, would have any effect.  It took me half of college to get over the mental damage that was done, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That did n't stop it for me .
One kid made fun of me so much I could n't take it anymore .
So I grabbed his hand , pulled him towards me and executed a perfect clothesline , knocking him to the ground .
( I was a fan of wrestling at the time .
It may be fake , but those moves - if properly pulled off - can hurt .
) The next group of kids who made fun of me were... well , a group of kids .
If I passed one of them in the hall , they would n't say anything , however if two or more of them were there , they 'd tease me .
They 'd follow me from class to class taunting me .
If I tried losing them , they 'd keep up and taunt me more for trying to lose them .
They 'd also block my entrance into my classes .
( Classes that they were n't in .
) One time , while trying to push my way through , I saw red .
And I do n't mean that as a metaphor .
The world literally took on a red hue and I was about to go for the throat of the nearest kid when my teacher arrived and drove them away .
If it was n't for his arrival , I think things would have turned very ugly , very fast .
I might have even done some permanent damage to the kid.The constant taunting took its toll on me .
Even bus rides without those kids was torture .
Kids would be laughing in the back completely unrelated to me , but I was convinced that it was directed at me .
Luckily , a friend of mine was on good terms with these kids , told them of how it was really hurting me , and they backed off .
To them , it was all in good fun .
It did n't even occur to them that their constant taunting , every single school day for years , would have any effect .
It took me half of college to get over the mental damage that was done , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That didn't stop it for me.
One kid made fun of me so much I couldn't take it anymore.
So I grabbed his hand, pulled him towards me and executed a perfect clothesline, knocking him to the ground.
(I was a fan of wrestling at the time.
It may be fake, but those moves - if properly pulled off - can hurt.
)The next group of kids who made fun of me were... well, a group of kids.
If I passed one of them in the hall, they wouldn't say anything, however if two or more of them were there, they'd tease me.
They'd follow me from class to class taunting me.
If I tried losing them, they'd keep up and taunt me more for trying to lose them.
They'd also block my entrance into my classes.
(Classes that they weren't in.
)  One time, while trying to push my way through, I saw red.
And I don't mean that as a metaphor.
The world literally took on a red hue and I was about to go for the throat of the nearest kid when my teacher arrived and drove them away.
If it wasn't for his arrival, I think things would have turned very ugly, very fast.
I might have even done some permanent damage to the kid.The constant taunting took its toll on me.
Even bus rides without those kids was torture.
Kids would be laughing in the back completely unrelated to me, but I was convinced that it was directed at me.
Luckily, a friend of mine was on good terms with these kids, told them of how it was really hurting me, and they backed off.
To them, it was all in good fun.
It didn't even occur to them that their constant taunting, every single school day for years, would have any effect.
It took me half of college to get over the mental damage that was done, though.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004716</id>
	<title>Parent is not a troll</title>
	<author>Puff\_Of\_Hot\_Air</author>
	<datestamp>1265125860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>c'mon mods, the parent is a expressing a different view point. This does not make him/her a troll. I happen to at least agree that teaching 'outed' kids social skills is at least one arm of a solution. Seriously, troll is not a replacement for "I don't like your opinion"</htmltext>
<tokenext>c'mon mods , the parent is a expressing a different view point .
This does not make him/her a troll .
I happen to at least agree that teaching 'outed ' kids social skills is at least one arm of a solution .
Seriously , troll is not a replacement for " I do n't like your opinion "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>c'mon mods, the parent is a expressing a different view point.
This does not make him/her a troll.
I happen to at least agree that teaching 'outed' kids social skills is at least one arm of a solution.
Seriously, troll is not a replacement for "I don't like your opinion"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005702</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome, Blame the victim</title>
	<author>Korey Kaczor</author>
	<datestamp>1265131740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Studies Reveal Why People Get Prison Raped<br>The factors involve a persons inability to pick up on and respond to nonverbal cues from rapists."</p><p>Whaddya mean, grab onto the pocket?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Studies Reveal Why People Get Prison RapedThe factors involve a persons inability to pick up on and respond to nonverbal cues from rapists .
" Whaddya mean , grab onto the pocket ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Studies Reveal Why People Get Prison RapedThe factors involve a persons inability to pick up on and respond to nonverbal cues from rapists.
"Whaddya mean, grab onto the pocket?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31007294</id>
	<title>Violence in schools</title>
	<author>TempeTerra</author>
	<datestamp>1264930680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Quick toppost poll; I see a lot of comments here about people getting beaten up in school. Most posters seem to be talking about America. I'm from New Zealand and while there is of course bullying/harassment I wasn't aware of physical violence against anyone to a level of obvious injury or robbery.</p><p>Is physical violence actually common in American schools? How about other countries?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Quick toppost poll ; I see a lot of comments here about people getting beaten up in school .
Most posters seem to be talking about America .
I 'm from New Zealand and while there is of course bullying/harassment I was n't aware of physical violence against anyone to a level of obvious injury or robbery.Is physical violence actually common in American schools ?
How about other countries ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quick toppost poll; I see a lot of comments here about people getting beaten up in school.
Most posters seem to be talking about America.
I'm from New Zealand and while there is of course bullying/harassment I wasn't aware of physical violence against anyone to a level of obvious injury or robbery.Is physical violence actually common in American schools?
How about other countries?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31010044</id>
	<title>So what's the use of a 'cure'?</title>
	<author>(arg!)Styopa</author>
	<datestamp>1264954500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look, the bulk of the real world is bullshit, with the stronger/more powerful/wealthy crapping on anyone they can.  Learning that (and yes, sometimes that requires failure and sometimes failure is painful) and how to deal with it, is a MAJOR LIFE SKILL.</p><p>Protecting our precious little younglings from the scarring behavior of schoolyard chums does what, then?  Leave them entirely unprepared for the serious fuck-with-you-ness of the adult world?  Terrific!</p><p>Perhaps to you, a kid scamming them out of their lunch money in school is tragic, and makes them sad.  To me, that gives them the first foretaste of how easily it is to be gulled, and might help them reflexively avoid getting taken for serious cash when a desperate Minister from Nigeria emails them looking for help with his $7 million account.</p><p>Your kid getting bullied at school?  Don't just march into the school in a huff demanding someone 'do something' about it.  TEACH your child how to deal constructively with the situation, or failing that, defend themselves physically.  Solving the issue by talking to the principal or getting the other kid expelled teaches your child nothing but to rely on some uber-authority to fix everything, and that is what eventually makes Democrats and people who believe in the UN.  (OK that was a joke, folks.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , the bulk of the real world is bullshit , with the stronger/more powerful/wealthy crapping on anyone they can .
Learning that ( and yes , sometimes that requires failure and sometimes failure is painful ) and how to deal with it , is a MAJOR LIFE SKILL.Protecting our precious little younglings from the scarring behavior of schoolyard chums does what , then ?
Leave them entirely unprepared for the serious fuck-with-you-ness of the adult world ?
Terrific ! Perhaps to you , a kid scamming them out of their lunch money in school is tragic , and makes them sad .
To me , that gives them the first foretaste of how easily it is to be gulled , and might help them reflexively avoid getting taken for serious cash when a desperate Minister from Nigeria emails them looking for help with his $ 7 million account.Your kid getting bullied at school ?
Do n't just march into the school in a huff demanding someone 'do something ' about it .
TEACH your child how to deal constructively with the situation , or failing that , defend themselves physically .
Solving the issue by talking to the principal or getting the other kid expelled teaches your child nothing but to rely on some uber-authority to fix everything , and that is what eventually makes Democrats and people who believe in the UN .
( OK that was a joke , folks .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, the bulk of the real world is bullshit, with the stronger/more powerful/wealthy crapping on anyone they can.
Learning that (and yes, sometimes that requires failure and sometimes failure is painful) and how to deal with it, is a MAJOR LIFE SKILL.Protecting our precious little younglings from the scarring behavior of schoolyard chums does what, then?
Leave them entirely unprepared for the serious fuck-with-you-ness of the adult world?
Terrific!Perhaps to you, a kid scamming them out of their lunch money in school is tragic, and makes them sad.
To me, that gives them the first foretaste of how easily it is to be gulled, and might help them reflexively avoid getting taken for serious cash when a desperate Minister from Nigeria emails them looking for help with his $7 million account.Your kid getting bullied at school?
Don't just march into the school in a huff demanding someone 'do something' about it.
TEACH your child how to deal constructively with the situation, or failing that, defend themselves physically.
Solving the issue by talking to the principal or getting the other kid expelled teaches your child nothing but to rely on some uber-authority to fix everything, and that is what eventually makes Democrats and people who believe in the UN.
(OK that was a joke, folks.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005612</id>
	<title>Whine, whine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265131260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All the whining and sniveling in these posts makes me want to go find a dweeby twerp and beat the crap out of him.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All the whining and sniveling in these posts makes me want to go find a dweeby twerp and beat the crap out of him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the whining and sniveling in these posts makes me want to go find a dweeby twerp and beat the crap out of him.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005006</id>
	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>jhol13</author>
	<datestamp>1265127480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This must be the worst advice ever.</p><p>The problem is not with the bullied. The problem is the bullier. Should the school punish the bullier by moving him/her to another school the bullying would stop.</p><p>Your method helped only you, and you were bloody lucky. In other cases the bullying would have just gotten worse, much worse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This must be the worst advice ever.The problem is not with the bullied .
The problem is the bullier .
Should the school punish the bullier by moving him/her to another school the bullying would stop.Your method helped only you , and you were bloody lucky .
In other cases the bullying would have just gotten worse , much worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This must be the worst advice ever.The problem is not with the bullied.
The problem is the bullier.
Should the school punish the bullier by moving him/her to another school the bullying would stop.Your method helped only you, and you were bloody lucky.
In other cases the bullying would have just gotten worse, much worse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005376</id>
	<title>The real problem...</title>
	<author>VendettaMF</author>
	<datestamp>1265129580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The willingness of this Jock-lead culture to blame the victim.<br>Case in point this screwed up study.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The willingness of this Jock-lead culture to blame the victim.Case in point this screwed up study .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The willingness of this Jock-lead culture to blame the victim.Case in point this screwed up study.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005442</id>
	<title>Re:The Comments are Really Interesting</title>
	<author>professionalfurryele</author>
	<datestamp>1265129940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is it is asymmetrical. It is all well and good to say punishment doesn't work, but that is because there isn't any punishment. You defend yourself from bullying in a reasonable manner and you will be punished, but if you report bullying nothing is done because you are 'tattling' or because the bully denies it. Or just as bad, too little is done. On the flip side if you leave a bully suitably damaged so as to dissuade him from future attacks, you will be punished even if you deny having anything to do with it because 'reciprocation of violence cant be tolerated'.</p><p>We cant have it both ways, either we have a free for all and we let the nerds do whatever they want (if you are all for that, fine, just be prepared to take a few of the jocks home in body bags) or we actually punish the bullies. Personally I think the latter is a better option.</p><p>As for teaching people who are bullied social skills, talk about the social sciences at their worst. Game theory would be useful. It would be better to teach nerds to disregards the meaningless 'moral' nonsense we try to instil in them and replace it with a dash of Machiavellian social manipulation and disregard for the welfare of the subhuman scum who engage in these antisocial practices. Teach nerds body language. Teach them how to mock other children and provoke them, and when to do it to maximise the pay off. How to use humour. How to work out what dark secrets drive the bully and use them against him. Is he doing it because his father beats him? Can you use that against him. Does the bullies mother have a drinking problem? What weaknesses can you spot in your opposition and how can you use it to drive them to despair? Teach them how to manipulate other children and get them to do your dirty work for you. Teach them how to build a social circle with their talents which is dependent on them.</p><p>A nerds analytical mind is a weapon. A weapon that should be honed towards proactive defence. Not stifled as it is now with ridiculous notions about 'turning the other cheek' or 'trust in authority'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is it is asymmetrical .
It is all well and good to say punishment does n't work , but that is because there is n't any punishment .
You defend yourself from bullying in a reasonable manner and you will be punished , but if you report bullying nothing is done because you are 'tattling ' or because the bully denies it .
Or just as bad , too little is done .
On the flip side if you leave a bully suitably damaged so as to dissuade him from future attacks , you will be punished even if you deny having anything to do with it because 'reciprocation of violence cant be tolerated'.We cant have it both ways , either we have a free for all and we let the nerds do whatever they want ( if you are all for that , fine , just be prepared to take a few of the jocks home in body bags ) or we actually punish the bullies .
Personally I think the latter is a better option.As for teaching people who are bullied social skills , talk about the social sciences at their worst .
Game theory would be useful .
It would be better to teach nerds to disregards the meaningless 'moral ' nonsense we try to instil in them and replace it with a dash of Machiavellian social manipulation and disregard for the welfare of the subhuman scum who engage in these antisocial practices .
Teach nerds body language .
Teach them how to mock other children and provoke them , and when to do it to maximise the pay off .
How to use humour .
How to work out what dark secrets drive the bully and use them against him .
Is he doing it because his father beats him ?
Can you use that against him .
Does the bullies mother have a drinking problem ?
What weaknesses can you spot in your opposition and how can you use it to drive them to despair ?
Teach them how to manipulate other children and get them to do your dirty work for you .
Teach them how to build a social circle with their talents which is dependent on them.A nerds analytical mind is a weapon .
A weapon that should be honed towards proactive defence .
Not stifled as it is now with ridiculous notions about 'turning the other cheek ' or 'trust in authority' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is it is asymmetrical.
It is all well and good to say punishment doesn't work, but that is because there isn't any punishment.
You defend yourself from bullying in a reasonable manner and you will be punished, but if you report bullying nothing is done because you are 'tattling' or because the bully denies it.
Or just as bad, too little is done.
On the flip side if you leave a bully suitably damaged so as to dissuade him from future attacks, you will be punished even if you deny having anything to do with it because 'reciprocation of violence cant be tolerated'.We cant have it both ways, either we have a free for all and we let the nerds do whatever they want (if you are all for that, fine, just be prepared to take a few of the jocks home in body bags) or we actually punish the bullies.
Personally I think the latter is a better option.As for teaching people who are bullied social skills, talk about the social sciences at their worst.
Game theory would be useful.
It would be better to teach nerds to disregards the meaningless 'moral' nonsense we try to instil in them and replace it with a dash of Machiavellian social manipulation and disregard for the welfare of the subhuman scum who engage in these antisocial practices.
Teach nerds body language.
Teach them how to mock other children and provoke them, and when to do it to maximise the pay off.
How to use humour.
How to work out what dark secrets drive the bully and use them against him.
Is he doing it because his father beats him?
Can you use that against him.
Does the bullies mother have a drinking problem?
What weaknesses can you spot in your opposition and how can you use it to drive them to despair?
Teach them how to manipulate other children and get them to do your dirty work for you.
Teach them how to build a social circle with their talents which is dependent on them.A nerds analytical mind is a weapon.
A weapon that should be honed towards proactive defence.
Not stifled as it is now with ridiculous notions about 'turning the other cheek' or 'trust in authority'.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31007428</id>
	<title>Re:not that it is bad that you stood up for yourse</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1264932300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Making someone hurt for an evil deed he has done - when cause and effect are obvious and immediate - is an important job.</p><p>And, as any job well done, it <em>should</em> feel pleasurable and satisfying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Making someone hurt for an evil deed he has done - when cause and effect are obvious and immediate - is an important job.And , as any job well done , it should feel pleasurable and satisfying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Making someone hurt for an evil deed he has done - when cause and effect are obvious and immediate - is an important job.And, as any job well done, it should feel pleasurable and satisfying.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004810</id>
	<title>Strong Bad said it best</title>
	<author>Vyse of Arcadia</author>
	<datestamp>1265126520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail125.html" title="homestarrunner.com">Kids can be so cruel.</a> [homestarrunner.com] (Just the first minute or so.)<br>
<br>
This article doesn't reveal a whole lot of why kids get bullied in general, but it does at least help identify which kids are more likely to get bullied.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Kids can be so cruel .
[ homestarrunner.com ] ( Just the first minute or so .
) This article does n't reveal a whole lot of why kids get bullied in general , but it does at least help identify which kids are more likely to get bullied .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kids can be so cruel.
[homestarrunner.com] (Just the first minute or so.
)

This article doesn't reveal a whole lot of why kids get bullied in general, but it does at least help identify which kids are more likely to get bullied.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31007414</id>
	<title>How to stop others from bullying you</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264932000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are two tracts that work equally well - one takes quite a bit more effort than the other.</p><p>Ignore them</p><p>or</p><p>Work out, get buffed, learn kung-fu, join a gang AND become a pimp. Make others think their health would be adversly effected by even concidering fucking with you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are two tracts that work equally well - one takes quite a bit more effort than the other.Ignore themorWork out , get buffed , learn kung-fu , join a gang AND become a pimp .
Make others think their health would be adversly effected by even concidering fucking with you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are two tracts that work equally well - one takes quite a bit more effort than the other.Ignore themorWork out, get buffed, learn kung-fu, join a gang AND become a pimp.
Make others think their health would be adversly effected by even concidering fucking with you.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Typical extroverted world-view</title>
	<author>AlejoHausner</author>
	<datestamp>1264959360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The "research" that the article is talking about basically says that victims of bullying are socially inept and tend to irritate socially-skilled bullies into action.</p><p>The article reflects a strong bias towards extroversion.  Extroverts and introverts just don't understand each other: extroverts can't fathom why introverts keep to themselves, and find introverts "weird" and "inept"; introverts can't fathom why extroverts are such social butterflies, and find extroverts "shallow" and "superficial".</p><p>I'm an introvert, and I suspect most people on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>./ are too.  Hence the article rubs a lot of people the wrong way.  In essence the article claims that victims of bullying are socially inept.  That's a typical extrovert's view of introverts.</p><p>I suspect that most bullies are extroverts, and most victims introverts.  I wonder if anyone has looked for a correlation?</p><p>Probably not.  After all, in America, extroversion is considered normal, and introversion is treated as a disorder.</p><p>Alejo</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The " research " that the article is talking about basically says that victims of bullying are socially inept and tend to irritate socially-skilled bullies into action.The article reflects a strong bias towards extroversion .
Extroverts and introverts just do n't understand each other : extroverts ca n't fathom why introverts keep to themselves , and find introverts " weird " and " inept " ; introverts ca n't fathom why extroverts are such social butterflies , and find extroverts " shallow " and " superficial " .I 'm an introvert , and I suspect most people on ./ are too .
Hence the article rubs a lot of people the wrong way .
In essence the article claims that victims of bullying are socially inept .
That 's a typical extrovert 's view of introverts.I suspect that most bullies are extroverts , and most victims introverts .
I wonder if anyone has looked for a correlation ? Probably not .
After all , in America , extroversion is considered normal , and introversion is treated as a disorder.Alejo</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "research" that the article is talking about basically says that victims of bullying are socially inept and tend to irritate socially-skilled bullies into action.The article reflects a strong bias towards extroversion.
Extroverts and introverts just don't understand each other: extroverts can't fathom why introverts keep to themselves, and find introverts "weird" and "inept"; introverts can't fathom why extroverts are such social butterflies, and find extroverts "shallow" and "superficial".I'm an introvert, and I suspect most people on ./ are too.
Hence the article rubs a lot of people the wrong way.
In essence the article claims that victims of bullying are socially inept.
That's a typical extrovert's view of introverts.I suspect that most bullies are extroverts, and most victims introverts.
I wonder if anyone has looked for a correlation?Probably not.
After all, in America, extroversion is considered normal, and introversion is treated as a disorder.Alejo</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31008056</id>
	<title>Re:Asking for it</title>
	<author>Andtalath</author>
	<datestamp>1264939860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The wife can leave.<br>The kid can't.</p><p>So, no, you're wrong, the kid HAS to learn to adapt to circumstances.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The wife can leave.The kid ca n't.So , no , you 're wrong , the kid HAS to learn to adapt to circumstances .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The wife can leave.The kid can't.So, no, you're wrong, the kid HAS to learn to adapt to circumstances.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31007494</id>
	<title>Re:Why all the blame the victims bullshit?</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1264932840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Children are animals. Animals must be manipulated, not judged.</p></div><p>And yet, animals are usually trained, and misbehaving or unruly ones are punished.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Children are animals .
Animals must be manipulated , not judged.And yet , animals are usually trained , and misbehaving or unruly ones are punished .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Children are animals.
Animals must be manipulated, not judged.And yet, animals are usually trained, and misbehaving or unruly ones are punished.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31007064</id>
	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>houghi</author>
	<datestamp>1264928400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> I think the number one thing teachers and parents need to do is let kids fight their own damn battles. if jnr gets bullied, let him give the kid a black eye. it also gives the bully a taste of what will happen later in life if you insist on picking on people. all this passive agressive shit where your only allowed to express yourself according to someone elses rules is bullcrap.</p></div></blockquote><p>I was passive agressive and it worked.</p><blockquote><div><p>I know if my kids were getting picked on at school i wouldn't sit down and tell them to care and share, i send them to boxing lessons and tell them to defend themselfs. people taking shit is the result of this passive nonsense people have been bred on for the last 20 years.</p></div></blockquote><p>My brother in law told his kid to fight back and it worked.</p><p>So both worked, but for different people. What will work best depends on the circumstances and the people/kids involved.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I think the number one thing teachers and parents need to do is let kids fight their own damn battles .
if jnr gets bullied , let him give the kid a black eye .
it also gives the bully a taste of what will happen later in life if you insist on picking on people .
all this passive agressive shit where your only allowed to express yourself according to someone elses rules is bullcrap.I was passive agressive and it worked.I know if my kids were getting picked on at school i would n't sit down and tell them to care and share , i send them to boxing lessons and tell them to defend themselfs .
people taking shit is the result of this passive nonsense people have been bred on for the last 20 years.My brother in law told his kid to fight back and it worked.So both worked , but for different people .
What will work best depends on the circumstances and the people/kids involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I think the number one thing teachers and parents need to do is let kids fight their own damn battles.
if jnr gets bullied, let him give the kid a black eye.
it also gives the bully a taste of what will happen later in life if you insist on picking on people.
all this passive agressive shit where your only allowed to express yourself according to someone elses rules is bullcrap.I was passive agressive and it worked.I know if my kids were getting picked on at school i wouldn't sit down and tell them to care and share, i send them to boxing lessons and tell them to defend themselfs.
people taking shit is the result of this passive nonsense people have been bred on for the last 20 years.My brother in law told his kid to fight back and it worked.So both worked, but for different people.
What will work best depends on the circumstances and the people/kids involved.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004824</id>
	<title>Re:Except that it does.</title>
	<author>SteveFoerster</author>
	<datestamp>1265126640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rorschach, is that you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rorschach , is that you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rorschach, is that you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004834</id>
	<title>When do I get my big research grant?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265126640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can tell you why kids get bullied. Because kids who want to push somebody around think they can get away with it.  Bullied kids are almost always the smallest / least athletic ones around.  Teaching them all the social skills in the world isn't going to change that.  Teaching the <b>bullies</b> a thing or two, now that might change something.  But that would take some real conflict resolution skills on the part of psychologists and social workers, and that stuff's kinda hard....</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can tell you why kids get bullied .
Because kids who want to push somebody around think they can get away with it .
Bullied kids are almost always the smallest / least athletic ones around .
Teaching them all the social skills in the world is n't going to change that .
Teaching the bullies a thing or two , now that might change something .
But that would take some real conflict resolution skills on the part of psychologists and social workers , and that stuff 's kinda hard... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can tell you why kids get bullied.
Because kids who want to push somebody around think they can get away with it.
Bullied kids are almost always the smallest / least athletic ones around.
Teaching them all the social skills in the world isn't going to change that.
Teaching the bullies a thing or two, now that might change something.
But that would take some real conflict resolution skills on the part of psychologists and social workers, and that stuff's kinda hard....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005344</id>
	<title>1 reason is enough</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265129460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Simply there are two reasons for bullying: (1) discrimination (2) has nothing better to do.</p><p>BTW, you can discriminate any person on anything you like, to feel better even if in a foolish way. Just only that adults get used to it though some may do even more stupid things. So, the main reason is we have nothing better to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Simply there are two reasons for bullying : ( 1 ) discrimination ( 2 ) has nothing better to do.BTW , you can discriminate any person on anything you like , to feel better even if in a foolish way .
Just only that adults get used to it though some may do even more stupid things .
So , the main reason is we have nothing better to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Simply there are two reasons for bullying: (1) discrimination (2) has nothing better to do.BTW, you can discriminate any person on anything you like, to feel better even if in a foolish way.
Just only that adults get used to it though some may do even more stupid things.
So, the main reason is we have nothing better to do.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004488</id>
	<title>Awesome, Blame the victim</title>
	<author>h4rr4r</author>
	<datestamp>1265124420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In other news,</p><p>Studies Reveal Why People Get Beaten and Mugged<br>The factors involve a persons inability to pick up on and respond to nonverbal cues from muggers.</p><p>Studies Reveal Why People Get Prison Raped<br>The factors involve a persons inability to pick up on and respond to nonverbal cues from rapists.</p><p>Studies Reveal Why People Get Prison Murdered<br>The factors involve a persons inability to pick up on and respond to nonverbal cues from murderers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In other news,Studies Reveal Why People Get Beaten and MuggedThe factors involve a persons inability to pick up on and respond to nonverbal cues from muggers.Studies Reveal Why People Get Prison RapedThe factors involve a persons inability to pick up on and respond to nonverbal cues from rapists.Studies Reveal Why People Get Prison MurderedThe factors involve a persons inability to pick up on and respond to nonverbal cues from murderers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other news,Studies Reveal Why People Get Beaten and MuggedThe factors involve a persons inability to pick up on and respond to nonverbal cues from muggers.Studies Reveal Why People Get Prison RapedThe factors involve a persons inability to pick up on and respond to nonverbal cues from rapists.Studies Reveal Why People Get Prison MurderedThe factors involve a persons inability to pick up on and respond to nonverbal cues from murderers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31012086</id>
	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264962420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think the number one thing teachers and parents need to do is let kids fight their own damn battles. if jnr gets bullied, let him give the kid a black eye.</p></div><p>I think you are thinking of a best case scenario. What happens if the bully is a larger or a more unscrupulous kid who does not hesitate to fight dirty and hit hard? Do you really want people to start sending their kids to martial arts classes in hope that they might be able to defend themselves in school? What if they can't manage? Do you let them get beat up, let them be ruined emotionally until they decide one day to fight back with a gun?</p><p>No, kids should be able to complain to an authority who will protect them just like adults can.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I think the number one thing teachers and parents need to do is let kids fight their own damn battles .
if jnr gets bullied , let him give the kid a black eye.I think you are thinking of a best case scenario .
What happens if the bully is a larger or a more unscrupulous kid who does not hesitate to fight dirty and hit hard ?
Do you really want people to start sending their kids to martial arts classes in hope that they might be able to defend themselves in school ?
What if they ca n't manage ?
Do you let them get beat up , let them be ruined emotionally until they decide one day to fight back with a gun ? No , kids should be able to complain to an authority who will protect them just like adults can .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the number one thing teachers and parents need to do is let kids fight their own damn battles.
if jnr gets bullied, let him give the kid a black eye.I think you are thinking of a best case scenario.
What happens if the bully is a larger or a more unscrupulous kid who does not hesitate to fight dirty and hit hard?
Do you really want people to start sending their kids to martial arts classes in hope that they might be able to defend themselves in school?
What if they can't manage?
Do you let them get beat up, let them be ruined emotionally until they decide one day to fight back with a gun?No, kids should be able to complain to an authority who will protect them just like adults can.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004980</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome, Blame the victim</title>
	<author>capologist</author>
	<datestamp>1265127300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Studies Reveal Why People Get Beaten and Mugged
The factors involve a persons inability to pick up on and respond to nonverbal cues from muggers.</p></div></blockquote><p>
A better analogy would be, "Studies Reveal Why People Get Beaten and Mugged: The factors involve walking alone through dark alleys in crime-ridden neighborhoods."

Identifying and addressing factors that increase risk of being mugged doesn't exonerate the mugger, it just makes you less likely to get mugged.

That's all this is.  It isn't "blaming the victim" like so many people are shouting.  It's simply a matter of identifying factors that increase the risk of becoming a victim and addressing those factors in order to reduce such risks.

I only wish this study had been done 40 years ago.  I have Asperger's Syndrome (only recently diagnosed) and was bullied a lot as a kid.  If my parents had been armed with the information in this study, maybe I would have been bullied less.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Studies Reveal Why People Get Beaten and Mugged The factors involve a persons inability to pick up on and respond to nonverbal cues from muggers .
A better analogy would be , " Studies Reveal Why People Get Beaten and Mugged : The factors involve walking alone through dark alleys in crime-ridden neighborhoods .
" Identifying and addressing factors that increase risk of being mugged does n't exonerate the mugger , it just makes you less likely to get mugged .
That 's all this is .
It is n't " blaming the victim " like so many people are shouting .
It 's simply a matter of identifying factors that increase the risk of becoming a victim and addressing those factors in order to reduce such risks .
I only wish this study had been done 40 years ago .
I have Asperger 's Syndrome ( only recently diagnosed ) and was bullied a lot as a kid .
If my parents had been armed with the information in this study , maybe I would have been bullied less .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Studies Reveal Why People Get Beaten and Mugged
The factors involve a persons inability to pick up on and respond to nonverbal cues from muggers.
A better analogy would be, "Studies Reveal Why People Get Beaten and Mugged: The factors involve walking alone through dark alleys in crime-ridden neighborhoods.
"

Identifying and addressing factors that increase risk of being mugged doesn't exonerate the mugger, it just makes you less likely to get mugged.
That's all this is.
It isn't "blaming the victim" like so many people are shouting.
It's simply a matter of identifying factors that increase the risk of becoming a victim and addressing those factors in order to reduce such risks.
I only wish this study had been done 40 years ago.
I have Asperger's Syndrome (only recently diagnosed) and was bullied a lot as a kid.
If my parents had been armed with the information in this study, maybe I would have been bullied less.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31008408</id>
	<title>Bullys are required in society</title>
	<author>Tibia1</author>
	<datestamp>1264944420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you read the posts here, everyone has been bullied and hates bullies. We're also looking at a decently academic group here. That's because when a child is bullied, they are more secluded from the 'cool' group, and cast aside from the mainstream to worry about abstract thinking and being 'geeky and smart'. By grade 12, the bullies are all dropouts and these once bullied kids are now the normal kids with ambitions, because they became smart.

Seclusion is a great tool to nurture academic success.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you read the posts here , everyone has been bullied and hates bullies .
We 're also looking at a decently academic group here .
That 's because when a child is bullied , they are more secluded from the 'cool ' group , and cast aside from the mainstream to worry about abstract thinking and being 'geeky and smart' .
By grade 12 , the bullies are all dropouts and these once bullied kids are now the normal kids with ambitions , because they became smart .
Seclusion is a great tool to nurture academic success .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you read the posts here, everyone has been bullied and hates bullies.
We're also looking at a decently academic group here.
That's because when a child is bullied, they are more secluded from the 'cool' group, and cast aside from the mainstream to worry about abstract thinking and being 'geeky and smart'.
By grade 12, the bullies are all dropouts and these once bullied kids are now the normal kids with ambitions, because they became smart.
Seclusion is a great tool to nurture academic success.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004460</id>
	<title>Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265124240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well what do you know?  Finally a news article that the readership of this site can identify with!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well what do you know ?
Finally a news article that the readership of this site can identify with !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well what do you know?
Finally a news article that the readership of this site can identify with!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31006918</id>
	<title>It's the rejecting part that matters</title>
	<author>xant</author>
	<datestamp>1264970100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dunno, kinda seems like you didn't read the article.  It leads with "The number one need of any human is to be liked by other humans", and keeps that chord going throughout.  A person who is rejected and has no friends is unhappy, whether he's bullied or not, and the focus in the article is rightly on that issue.</p><p>If you focus on that part of the message, you see that there is indeed a problem that originates in the suffering child.  You can't divide the world into "bullies" and "non-bullies" any more.  It's "those who reject him" and "those who don't reject him", and for the kid suffering with no friends, nearly everyone is in the second group.  The <i>normative behavior</i> is to reject as alien those who do not respond to social cues.  Will you blame the whole world for behaving normally, or try to teach the suffering kid how to break through the perception barrier and get accepted?</p><p>Regarding bullies: of course <i>the bully's behavior</i> is non-normative, and needs correction, but that's really the lesser part of the suffering of the lonely child.  The greater part is the inability to make friends.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno , kinda seems like you did n't read the article .
It leads with " The number one need of any human is to be liked by other humans " , and keeps that chord going throughout .
A person who is rejected and has no friends is unhappy , whether he 's bullied or not , and the focus in the article is rightly on that issue.If you focus on that part of the message , you see that there is indeed a problem that originates in the suffering child .
You ca n't divide the world into " bullies " and " non-bullies " any more .
It 's " those who reject him " and " those who do n't reject him " , and for the kid suffering with no friends , nearly everyone is in the second group .
The normative behavior is to reject as alien those who do not respond to social cues .
Will you blame the whole world for behaving normally , or try to teach the suffering kid how to break through the perception barrier and get accepted ? Regarding bullies : of course the bully 's behavior is non-normative , and needs correction , but that 's really the lesser part of the suffering of the lonely child .
The greater part is the inability to make friends .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno, kinda seems like you didn't read the article.
It leads with "The number one need of any human is to be liked by other humans", and keeps that chord going throughout.
A person who is rejected and has no friends is unhappy, whether he's bullied or not, and the focus in the article is rightly on that issue.If you focus on that part of the message, you see that there is indeed a problem that originates in the suffering child.
You can't divide the world into "bullies" and "non-bullies" any more.
It's "those who reject him" and "those who don't reject him", and for the kid suffering with no friends, nearly everyone is in the second group.
The normative behavior is to reject as alien those who do not respond to social cues.
Will you blame the whole world for behaving normally, or try to teach the suffering kid how to break through the perception barrier and get accepted?Regarding bullies: of course the bully's behavior is non-normative, and needs correction, but that's really the lesser part of the suffering of the lonely child.
The greater part is the inability to make friends.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31012334</id>
	<title>Re:So the fault lies with the bullied child?</title>
	<author>StrategicIrony</author>
	<datestamp>1264963320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure, if someone si going around breaking noses...</p><p>but you do realize that TFA is referring to subtle emotional things.</p><p>"bullying" can be as simple as shoving your way in front off someone in line, or subtly demeaning them.</p><p>Being picked last (and goaded about it) is one of the most traumatic things that happened to several of my friends during their childhood.</p><p>Do you suggest remedial education for everyone who cuts in line, or makes a snarky comment about someone or points out another kid wearing ridiculous clothing.  Like the kid in grade 8 who wore a neon pink sweat suit to school with no concept of how other people might view it?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... because almost everyone in the school was snickering and commenting and the kid whent home crying-  but does that mean 85\% of the school gets stuck in "remedial education"?</p><p>Sure, you make a point (albiet a shallow one), but I think you're missing the nuance of the argument, as well as the study, in favor of a knee-jerk sociopolitical rant.</p><p>Just my humble opinion</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , if someone si going around breaking noses...but you do realize that TFA is referring to subtle emotional things .
" bullying " can be as simple as shoving your way in front off someone in line , or subtly demeaning them.Being picked last ( and goaded about it ) is one of the most traumatic things that happened to several of my friends during their childhood.Do you suggest remedial education for everyone who cuts in line , or makes a snarky comment about someone or points out another kid wearing ridiculous clothing .
Like the kid in grade 8 who wore a neon pink sweat suit to school with no concept of how other people might view it ?
... because almost everyone in the school was snickering and commenting and the kid whent home crying- but does that mean 85 \ % of the school gets stuck in " remedial education " ? Sure , you make a point ( albiet a shallow one ) , but I think you 're missing the nuance of the argument , as well as the study , in favor of a knee-jerk sociopolitical rant.Just my humble opinion</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, if someone si going around breaking noses...but you do realize that TFA is referring to subtle emotional things.
"bullying" can be as simple as shoving your way in front off someone in line, or subtly demeaning them.Being picked last (and goaded about it) is one of the most traumatic things that happened to several of my friends during their childhood.Do you suggest remedial education for everyone who cuts in line, or makes a snarky comment about someone or points out another kid wearing ridiculous clothing.
Like the kid in grade 8 who wore a neon pink sweat suit to school with no concept of how other people might view it?
... because almost everyone in the school was snickering and commenting and the kid whent home crying-  but does that mean 85\% of the school gets stuck in "remedial education"?Sure, you make a point (albiet a shallow one), but I think you're missing the nuance of the argument, as well as the study, in favor of a knee-jerk sociopolitical rant.Just my humble opinion</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31006266</id>
	<title>Re:Let's blame the victim!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265136420000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The fact that you think of yourself as a "victim" is exactly why you get bullied. Victims get victimized.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact that you think of yourself as a " victim " is exactly why you get bullied .
Victims get victimized .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact that you think of yourself as a "victim" is exactly why you get bullied.
Victims get victimized.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005126</id>
	<title>I don't know about this</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1265128080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I was a kid, it was all an excercize in chest-thumping and feces-flinging. It wasn't so much that I couldn't to 'read' these signals. It was just that I was preparing myself to live in a world where this sort of demonstration is worthless. Teaching myself to ignore these antics has proven to be a far better approach.
</p><p>The best code isn't written by the guy who can throw his chair the furthest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was a kid , it was all an excercize in chest-thumping and feces-flinging .
It was n't so much that I could n't to 'read ' these signals .
It was just that I was preparing myself to live in a world where this sort of demonstration is worthless .
Teaching myself to ignore these antics has proven to be a far better approach .
The best code is n't written by the guy who can throw his chair the furthest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was a kid, it was all an excercize in chest-thumping and feces-flinging.
It wasn't so much that I couldn't to 'read' these signals.
It was just that I was preparing myself to live in a world where this sort of demonstration is worthless.
Teaching myself to ignore these antics has proven to be a far better approach.
The best code isn't written by the guy who can throw his chair the furthest.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31007002</id>
	<title>Re:Let's blame the victim!</title>
	<author>StrategicIrony</author>
	<datestamp>1264971120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think that bullying is an offshoot of innate insticts to establish pack-dominance and pecking order.</p><p>Those things exist in almost all species.  In general, people who act submissively will be subjected to dominant displays by pack alphas.</p><p>Sure, we can all say that "humans should be able to overcome this" but I regard it as a bit of "leftover" from evolutionary history.  While it's worthwhile to address the behavior, it is probably most effectively addressed from both sides.</p><p>Simply saying "bully, bad!!" doesn't address the nuance of the situation, nor the multiple factors that contribute to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that bullying is an offshoot of innate insticts to establish pack-dominance and pecking order.Those things exist in almost all species .
In general , people who act submissively will be subjected to dominant displays by pack alphas.Sure , we can all say that " humans should be able to overcome this " but I regard it as a bit of " leftover " from evolutionary history .
While it 's worthwhile to address the behavior , it is probably most effectively addressed from both sides.Simply saying " bully , bad ! !
" does n't address the nuance of the situation , nor the multiple factors that contribute to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that bullying is an offshoot of innate insticts to establish pack-dominance and pecking order.Those things exist in almost all species.
In general, people who act submissively will be subjected to dominant displays by pack alphas.Sure, we can all say that "humans should be able to overcome this" but I regard it as a bit of "leftover" from evolutionary history.
While it's worthwhile to address the behavior, it is probably most effectively addressed from both sides.Simply saying "bully, bad!!
" doesn't address the nuance of the situation, nor the multiple factors that contribute to it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31009352</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264951500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm bothered by the volume of "beat the shit outta them" responses. When I was 12 I did just that--socked some jerk in the mouth who wouldn't leave me alone. Years later, I learned through another party that this incident led to his respecting me.</p><p>Strangely, I don't feel happy about that. It bugs me that the best way to get his respect, and the only way I could think of, was to turn to violence. I don't like the idea of using fighting to fix problems. What looks like a simple childhood schoolyard lesson could plant the seeds in children that will lead to them making decisions to go to war as adults because they can't figure out a better way.</p><p>Now, I'm not trying to push some happy-sappy Christian bs on everyone here, but to me, the best lesson is that there is ALWAYS a better way. Always. Full stop. And this is from a guy who as a kid who was shoved into lockers and had his face pressed into the sand more than once. That's just the PHYSICAL abuse I endured.</p><p>For the victim of bullying, the real pain from it starts in your own head. Another reason nobody is citing here for bullying is that bullies go after people they can bother. If it doesn't bother you (I don't mean ACTING like it doesn't bother you. I mean it REALLY doesn't bother you), the bullies will smell that too, and often lose interest. It's also healthier to look inside and think about WHY it bothers you so much, and whether or not you've got hidden problems you didn't know about. I'm not "blaming the victim" here, because that would assume the victim is responsible for the bullying. The bully is responsible for what happens. The victim, however, is responsible for what happens next.</p><p>But hey, if this is too tough for you guys to comprehend, then by all means, go back to bloodying your knuckles. Fight violence with violence. Well done. Glad to see you're above all that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm bothered by the volume of " beat the shit outta them " responses .
When I was 12 I did just that--socked some jerk in the mouth who would n't leave me alone .
Years later , I learned through another party that this incident led to his respecting me.Strangely , I do n't feel happy about that .
It bugs me that the best way to get his respect , and the only way I could think of , was to turn to violence .
I do n't like the idea of using fighting to fix problems .
What looks like a simple childhood schoolyard lesson could plant the seeds in children that will lead to them making decisions to go to war as adults because they ca n't figure out a better way.Now , I 'm not trying to push some happy-sappy Christian bs on everyone here , but to me , the best lesson is that there is ALWAYS a better way .
Always. Full stop .
And this is from a guy who as a kid who was shoved into lockers and had his face pressed into the sand more than once .
That 's just the PHYSICAL abuse I endured.For the victim of bullying , the real pain from it starts in your own head .
Another reason nobody is citing here for bullying is that bullies go after people they can bother .
If it does n't bother you ( I do n't mean ACTING like it does n't bother you .
I mean it REALLY does n't bother you ) , the bullies will smell that too , and often lose interest .
It 's also healthier to look inside and think about WHY it bothers you so much , and whether or not you 've got hidden problems you did n't know about .
I 'm not " blaming the victim " here , because that would assume the victim is responsible for the bullying .
The bully is responsible for what happens .
The victim , however , is responsible for what happens next.But hey , if this is too tough for you guys to comprehend , then by all means , go back to bloodying your knuckles .
Fight violence with violence .
Well done .
Glad to see you 're above all that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm bothered by the volume of "beat the shit outta them" responses.
When I was 12 I did just that--socked some jerk in the mouth who wouldn't leave me alone.
Years later, I learned through another party that this incident led to his respecting me.Strangely, I don't feel happy about that.
It bugs me that the best way to get his respect, and the only way I could think of, was to turn to violence.
I don't like the idea of using fighting to fix problems.
What looks like a simple childhood schoolyard lesson could plant the seeds in children that will lead to them making decisions to go to war as adults because they can't figure out a better way.Now, I'm not trying to push some happy-sappy Christian bs on everyone here, but to me, the best lesson is that there is ALWAYS a better way.
Always. Full stop.
And this is from a guy who as a kid who was shoved into lockers and had his face pressed into the sand more than once.
That's just the PHYSICAL abuse I endured.For the victim of bullying, the real pain from it starts in your own head.
Another reason nobody is citing here for bullying is that bullies go after people they can bother.
If it doesn't bother you (I don't mean ACTING like it doesn't bother you.
I mean it REALLY doesn't bother you), the bullies will smell that too, and often lose interest.
It's also healthier to look inside and think about WHY it bothers you so much, and whether or not you've got hidden problems you didn't know about.
I'm not "blaming the victim" here, because that would assume the victim is responsible for the bullying.
The bully is responsible for what happens.
The victim, however, is responsible for what happens next.But hey, if this is too tough for you guys to comprehend, then by all means, go back to bloodying your knuckles.
Fight violence with violence.
Well done.
Glad to see you're above all that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004330</id>
	<title>Obvious</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265123580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So TFA says teach your kids not to be dicks. Well duh!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So TFA says teach your kids not to be dicks .
Well duh !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So TFA says teach your kids not to be dicks.
Well duh!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31012358</id>
	<title>You're all a bunch of whiny loserboy nerds</title>
	<author>JockTroll</author>
	<datestamp>1264963380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't get it, do you? Do you need research to find out why bullies exist and why they behave the way they do?</p><p>It's actually quite simple: humans are pack animals and in any pack there's an alpha male who leads, and some wannabe who gets beaten into submission or killed. Mankind however has unwisely decided to skip the beating and killing, so the wannabes keep being wannabes.</p><p>And what does a wannabe alpha do? Lacking the skills to lead, it clings to the shreds of self-esteem it can keep and in order to maintain them, it has to reaffirm it by picking on defenceless victims and surrounding itself by lackeys who are even inferior to it in abilities and self-esteem. Of course, in order to keep the respect of those lowlives, it has to keep reasserting its make-believe superiority by picking on the aforementioned victims.</p><p>So, make no mistake: there's no way to keep a bully from being what it is. You cannot talk to them, you cannot bargain with them, you cannot reason with them. They won't stop being bullies, even when grown up. They will use different means, but that's what they are.</p><p>The only way to defeat a bully is by bursting its self-esteem bubble and causing it to lose its respect. That can only be achieved by the calculated and unrestrained use of violence on the part of the target or targets, violence that must be both physical and psychological and is to be exercised in the presence of its lackeys, which have been observed to not intervene when their leader is in obvious difficulty.</p><p>The bully must be hit, harshly, and with intent to cause harm. Bullies in the vast majority of the cases do not attack with the intention of causing lasting damage, only minor incapacitation and humiliation, but such limits must not be observed when dealing with them. The first blows must be aimed to stun and/or reduce its mobility and ability to fight back, the rest to subdue it in the fastest way possible. Ganging up is possible, because the objective is not a fair fight, but to cause the bully to lose any respect.</p><p>The attack should not take place on school grounds because misguided, feel-good policies have severely curtailed the natural tendence of human nature to self-balance via the old and effective ways of ultraviolence. Public soil is acceptable. Dark alleys or places out of the public's eye should be preferred. Normally it only takes one session to neutralize the bully, if more are needed then the second one should be way harsher and further humiliation should be contemplated. Forcing the target to run home without his pants is an option. Shitting on his face would be a bonus.</p><p>In any case, remember that bullies are like nerds: they're inferior specimen, losers. The difference is that the nerd is a loser who wants to be a loser, while the bully is a loser who wants to be a winner. Have no mercy with neither, they're not human and should not be treated as such.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't get it , do you ?
Do you need research to find out why bullies exist and why they behave the way they do ? It 's actually quite simple : humans are pack animals and in any pack there 's an alpha male who leads , and some wannabe who gets beaten into submission or killed .
Mankind however has unwisely decided to skip the beating and killing , so the wannabes keep being wannabes.And what does a wannabe alpha do ?
Lacking the skills to lead , it clings to the shreds of self-esteem it can keep and in order to maintain them , it has to reaffirm it by picking on defenceless victims and surrounding itself by lackeys who are even inferior to it in abilities and self-esteem .
Of course , in order to keep the respect of those lowlives , it has to keep reasserting its make-believe superiority by picking on the aforementioned victims.So , make no mistake : there 's no way to keep a bully from being what it is .
You can not talk to them , you can not bargain with them , you can not reason with them .
They wo n't stop being bullies , even when grown up .
They will use different means , but that 's what they are.The only way to defeat a bully is by bursting its self-esteem bubble and causing it to lose its respect .
That can only be achieved by the calculated and unrestrained use of violence on the part of the target or targets , violence that must be both physical and psychological and is to be exercised in the presence of its lackeys , which have been observed to not intervene when their leader is in obvious difficulty.The bully must be hit , harshly , and with intent to cause harm .
Bullies in the vast majority of the cases do not attack with the intention of causing lasting damage , only minor incapacitation and humiliation , but such limits must not be observed when dealing with them .
The first blows must be aimed to stun and/or reduce its mobility and ability to fight back , the rest to subdue it in the fastest way possible .
Ganging up is possible , because the objective is not a fair fight , but to cause the bully to lose any respect.The attack should not take place on school grounds because misguided , feel-good policies have severely curtailed the natural tendence of human nature to self-balance via the old and effective ways of ultraviolence .
Public soil is acceptable .
Dark alleys or places out of the public 's eye should be preferred .
Normally it only takes one session to neutralize the bully , if more are needed then the second one should be way harsher and further humiliation should be contemplated .
Forcing the target to run home without his pants is an option .
Shitting on his face would be a bonus.In any case , remember that bullies are like nerds : they 're inferior specimen , losers .
The difference is that the nerd is a loser who wants to be a loser , while the bully is a loser who wants to be a winner .
Have no mercy with neither , they 're not human and should not be treated as such .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't get it, do you?
Do you need research to find out why bullies exist and why they behave the way they do?It's actually quite simple: humans are pack animals and in any pack there's an alpha male who leads, and some wannabe who gets beaten into submission or killed.
Mankind however has unwisely decided to skip the beating and killing, so the wannabes keep being wannabes.And what does a wannabe alpha do?
Lacking the skills to lead, it clings to the shreds of self-esteem it can keep and in order to maintain them, it has to reaffirm it by picking on defenceless victims and surrounding itself by lackeys who are even inferior to it in abilities and self-esteem.
Of course, in order to keep the respect of those lowlives, it has to keep reasserting its make-believe superiority by picking on the aforementioned victims.So, make no mistake: there's no way to keep a bully from being what it is.
You cannot talk to them, you cannot bargain with them, you cannot reason with them.
They won't stop being bullies, even when grown up.
They will use different means, but that's what they are.The only way to defeat a bully is by bursting its self-esteem bubble and causing it to lose its respect.
That can only be achieved by the calculated and unrestrained use of violence on the part of the target or targets, violence that must be both physical and psychological and is to be exercised in the presence of its lackeys, which have been observed to not intervene when their leader is in obvious difficulty.The bully must be hit, harshly, and with intent to cause harm.
Bullies in the vast majority of the cases do not attack with the intention of causing lasting damage, only minor incapacitation and humiliation, but such limits must not be observed when dealing with them.
The first blows must be aimed to stun and/or reduce its mobility and ability to fight back, the rest to subdue it in the fastest way possible.
Ganging up is possible, because the objective is not a fair fight, but to cause the bully to lose any respect.The attack should not take place on school grounds because misguided, feel-good policies have severely curtailed the natural tendence of human nature to self-balance via the old and effective ways of ultraviolence.
Public soil is acceptable.
Dark alleys or places out of the public's eye should be preferred.
Normally it only takes one session to neutralize the bully, if more are needed then the second one should be way harsher and further humiliation should be contemplated.
Forcing the target to run home without his pants is an option.
Shitting on his face would be a bonus.In any case, remember that bullies are like nerds: they're inferior specimen, losers.
The difference is that the nerd is a loser who wants to be a loser, while the bully is a loser who wants to be a winner.
Have no mercy with neither, they're not human and should not be treated as such.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004584</id>
	<title>Good money to be made</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265124960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There have been a rash of suicides recently attributed to schoolyard bullying.  You can bet the parents of these children will be suing the living daylights out of the bully's parents, the school administrators, and anyone else involved.  The blame-the-victim asshats behind this article will have no problem finding work as "expert" witnesses for the defense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There have been a rash of suicides recently attributed to schoolyard bullying .
You can bet the parents of these children will be suing the living daylights out of the bully 's parents , the school administrators , and anyone else involved .
The blame-the-victim asshats behind this article will have no problem finding work as " expert " witnesses for the defense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There have been a rash of suicides recently attributed to schoolyard bullying.
You can bet the parents of these children will be suing the living daylights out of the bully's parents, the school administrators, and anyone else involved.
The blame-the-victim asshats behind this article will have no problem finding work as "expert" witnesses for the defense.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004752</id>
	<title>So its the victim's fault then?</title>
	<author>Spicerun</author>
	<datestamp>1265126040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Gee, another article declaring that the victim has to be the one to get help to change their behavior, while the Bullies just continue on their way untouched.

Don't know about you, but I'm getting really tired of the victims being cited as the root of the problems here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Gee , another article declaring that the victim has to be the one to get help to change their behavior , while the Bullies just continue on their way untouched .
Do n't know about you , but I 'm getting really tired of the victims being cited as the root of the problems here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gee, another article declaring that the victim has to be the one to get help to change their behavior, while the Bullies just continue on their way untouched.
Don't know about you, but I'm getting really tired of the victims being cited as the root of the problems here.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31006618</id>
	<title>Re:It is not about blame.</title>
	<author>FoolishOwl</author>
	<datestamp>1265140080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>2) Some children really are sissies, and believe it or not, they can get inherently non-bullies to bully them. Sadly, these children often have sissy parents, sissy friends (if any), and are surrounded by sissy teachers. The original article definitely tries to shed light on this sissy factor.</p></div><p>This is a statement of pure evil.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>2 ) Some children really are sissies , and believe it or not , they can get inherently non-bullies to bully them .
Sadly , these children often have sissy parents , sissy friends ( if any ) , and are surrounded by sissy teachers .
The original article definitely tries to shed light on this sissy factor.This is a statement of pure evil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2) Some children really are sissies, and believe it or not, they can get inherently non-bullies to bully them.
Sadly, these children often have sissy parents, sissy friends (if any), and are surrounded by sissy teachers.
The original article definitely tries to shed light on this sissy factor.This is a statement of pure evil.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31006688</id>
	<title>a better way to say this</title>
	<author>RobertLTux</author>
	<datestamp>1265140680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1 Don't be prey<br>2 don't start fights<br>3 always end them</p><p>The absolute worst thing for a bully to get caught in is getting blasted by a girl so Those with kids (congrats btw)<br>figure out how to teach your kid how to move correctly and how to cause PAIN<br>(hit a guy in the right spot and it won't matter that your gloves/shoes are satin he is going down HARD)</p><p>If your kid gets good enough "Be Somewhere Else" will be taken very seriously</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 Do n't be prey2 do n't start fights3 always end themThe absolute worst thing for a bully to get caught in is getting blasted by a girl so Those with kids ( congrats btw ) figure out how to teach your kid how to move correctly and how to cause PAIN ( hit a guy in the right spot and it wo n't matter that your gloves/shoes are satin he is going down HARD ) If your kid gets good enough " Be Somewhere Else " will be taken very seriously</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1 Don't be prey2 don't start fights3 always end themThe absolute worst thing for a bully to get caught in is getting blasted by a girl so Those with kids (congrats btw)figure out how to teach your kid how to move correctly and how to cause PAIN(hit a guy in the right spot and it won't matter that your gloves/shoes are satin he is going down HARD)If your kid gets good enough "Be Somewhere Else" will be taken very seriously</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31017018</id>
	<title>Re:I see</title>
	<author>init100</author>
	<datestamp>1264942920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Those poor bullies are really the victims of the kids they beat up, because the kids being beaten up are practically asking the bullies to commit violence against them.</p></div><p>Sounds a lot like Muslims defending the Islamic imperative that females must use a burqa: <i>Those poor men are really the victims of the improperly dressed women. They can't help that they are being sexually aroused by women not covering their entire body and head with pieces of cloth, and so it's not their fault that they rape them. Not covering your head is practically asking to be gang-raped by every man in sight</i>.</p><p>That version is laughed at by many who at the same time consider your version the absolute truth.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Those poor bullies are really the victims of the kids they beat up , because the kids being beaten up are practically asking the bullies to commit violence against them.Sounds a lot like Muslims defending the Islamic imperative that females must use a burqa : Those poor men are really the victims of the improperly dressed women .
They ca n't help that they are being sexually aroused by women not covering their entire body and head with pieces of cloth , and so it 's not their fault that they rape them .
Not covering your head is practically asking to be gang-raped by every man in sight.That version is laughed at by many who at the same time consider your version the absolute truth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those poor bullies are really the victims of the kids they beat up, because the kids being beaten up are practically asking the bullies to commit violence against them.Sounds a lot like Muslims defending the Islamic imperative that females must use a burqa: Those poor men are really the victims of the improperly dressed women.
They can't help that they are being sexually aroused by women not covering their entire body and head with pieces of cloth, and so it's not their fault that they rape them.
Not covering your head is practically asking to be gang-raped by every man in sight.That version is laughed at by many who at the same time consider your version the absolute truth.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31007026</id>
	<title>Re:Let me translate</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264971240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it's really not a good idea to absolve the bullies from responsibility over their own actions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's really not a good idea to absolve the bullies from responsibility over their own actions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's really not a good idea to absolve the bullies from responsibility over their own actions.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004456</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31006012</id>
	<title>Re:The Comments are Really Interesting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265134140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>put the bullies in a psychiatric facility where they belong and that might help</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>put the bullies in a psychiatric facility where they belong and that might help</tokentext>
<sentencetext>put the bullies in a psychiatric facility where they belong and that might help</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Let's blame the victim!</title>
	<author>Chowderbags</author>
	<datestamp>1265287020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Why does the victim have to change because some asshat wants to make other people's lives hell? If someone is shot we don't tell them to invest in a kevlar vest, we find the guy with the gun and segregate them from the rest of society. From my own experience in school though, not one teacher gave a shit when I was bullied. Not one of them told the bully to go sit in the corner with a dunce cap. As for myself, I just wanted to be left alone. Is that so bad? Do we really want to tell every loner to go play the social game so everyone will like you?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does the victim have to change because some asshat wants to make other people 's lives hell ?
If someone is shot we do n't tell them to invest in a kevlar vest , we find the guy with the gun and segregate them from the rest of society .
From my own experience in school though , not one teacher gave a shit when I was bullied .
Not one of them told the bully to go sit in the corner with a dunce cap .
As for myself , I just wanted to be left alone .
Is that so bad ?
Do we really want to tell every loner to go play the social game so everyone will like you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does the victim have to change because some asshat wants to make other people's lives hell?
If someone is shot we don't tell them to invest in a kevlar vest, we find the guy with the gun and segregate them from the rest of society.
From my own experience in school though, not one teacher gave a shit when I was bullied.
Not one of them told the bully to go sit in the corner with a dunce cap.
As for myself, I just wanted to be left alone.
Is that so bad?
Do we really want to tell every loner to go play the social game so everyone will like you?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Punishment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264947780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Muggers go to jail.</p><p>Rapists go to jail.</p><p>Murderers go to jail - or, sometimes, get executed.</p><p>There are laws that deal with most crimes. Laws to punish who would dare commit those crimes. And sorta protect (avenge) the victims.</p><p>For bullying and bullies, no adequate or precise law (code of conduct) exists to deal with 'em.</p><p>It seems that you (the victim) have to take the law in your own hands.</p><p>-AC</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Muggers go to jail.Rapists go to jail.Murderers go to jail - or , sometimes , get executed.There are laws that deal with most crimes .
Laws to punish who would dare commit those crimes .
And sorta protect ( avenge ) the victims.For bullying and bullies , no adequate or precise law ( code of conduct ) exists to deal with 'em.It seems that you ( the victim ) have to take the law in your own hands.-AC</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Muggers go to jail.Rapists go to jail.Murderers go to jail - or, sometimes, get executed.There are laws that deal with most crimes.
Laws to punish who would dare commit those crimes.
And sorta protect (avenge) the victims.For bullying and bullies, no adequate or precise law (code of conduct) exists to deal with 'em.It seems that you (the victim) have to take the law in your own hands.-AC</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>MrCrassic</author>
	<datestamp>1265131440000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I think so, though one should know thy enemies before starting a fight. If the dude is a gangster and can get 20 guys in front of your house...then that's a problem!</p><p>Like the others here, my bullies stopped harrassing me after I went after them. I got my head knocked in, but at least I got my point across.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think so , though one should know thy enemies before starting a fight .
If the dude is a gangster and can get 20 guys in front of your house...then that 's a problem ! Like the others here , my bullies stopped harrassing me after I went after them .
I got my head knocked in , but at least I got my point across .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think so, though one should know thy enemies before starting a fight.
If the dude is a gangster and can get 20 guys in front of your house...then that's a problem!Like the others here, my bullies stopped harrassing me after I went after them.
I got my head knocked in, but at least I got my point across.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Asking for it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265129100000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Frankly this is stupid.  The problem is that we've allowed our schools to become jails for children.  Most of what I've read here confirms that.  The old jail-house logic of "beat up the biggest guy you can so you don't become somebody's bitch."</p><p>Here's the thing, in the cold, institutional environment of the modern public school, bullies are going to thrive.  If you manage to successfully avoid drawing the attention of one or standing up to one so it goes on to easier prey, all you've done is pass the problem along to someone else.</p><p>Eventually, they'll pick on the kid in the wheelchair or the one who is mentally retarded.  (Bullies in my school picked on people like that.  Oh, and Jews, if they knew someone was a Jew they'd throw pennies at them, "Have some pennies, Jew!" or "Heil Hitler, Jew!"  I suppose if those kids had renounced Judaism in order to fit in it would have helped... except I think the bullies would still have said, "Jew-faggot! Have some pennies, Jew!")</p><p>The problem is that the school administration doesn't step in to put a stop to it, and if you go to a bottom of the barrel hell-hole public school like I did it turns into Lord of the Flies.  Of course, this problem could be solved with smaller school populations and more engaged administrators.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Frankly this is stupid .
The problem is that we 've allowed our schools to become jails for children .
Most of what I 've read here confirms that .
The old jail-house logic of " beat up the biggest guy you can so you do n't become somebody 's bitch .
" Here 's the thing , in the cold , institutional environment of the modern public school , bullies are going to thrive .
If you manage to successfully avoid drawing the attention of one or standing up to one so it goes on to easier prey , all you 've done is pass the problem along to someone else.Eventually , they 'll pick on the kid in the wheelchair or the one who is mentally retarded .
( Bullies in my school picked on people like that .
Oh , and Jews , if they knew someone was a Jew they 'd throw pennies at them , " Have some pennies , Jew !
" or " Heil Hitler , Jew !
" I suppose if those kids had renounced Judaism in order to fit in it would have helped... except I think the bullies would still have said , " Jew-faggot !
Have some pennies , Jew !
" ) The problem is that the school administration does n't step in to put a stop to it , and if you go to a bottom of the barrel hell-hole public school like I did it turns into Lord of the Flies .
Of course , this problem could be solved with smaller school populations and more engaged administrators .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Frankly this is stupid.
The problem is that we've allowed our schools to become jails for children.
Most of what I've read here confirms that.
The old jail-house logic of "beat up the biggest guy you can so you don't become somebody's bitch.
"Here's the thing, in the cold, institutional environment of the modern public school, bullies are going to thrive.
If you manage to successfully avoid drawing the attention of one or standing up to one so it goes on to easier prey, all you've done is pass the problem along to someone else.Eventually, they'll pick on the kid in the wheelchair or the one who is mentally retarded.
(Bullies in my school picked on people like that.
Oh, and Jews, if they knew someone was a Jew they'd throw pennies at them, "Have some pennies, Jew!
" or "Heil Hitler, Jew!
"  I suppose if those kids had renounced Judaism in order to fit in it would have helped... except I think the bullies would still have said, "Jew-faggot!
Have some pennies, Jew!
")The problem is that the school administration doesn't step in to put a stop to it, and if you go to a bottom of the barrel hell-hole public school like I did it turns into Lord of the Flies.
Of course, this problem could be solved with smaller school populations and more engaged administrators.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31016678</id>
	<title>Sociopaths/Psychopaths</title>
	<author>metrix007</author>
	<datestamp>1264941000000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Many people are quick to mislabel bullys as psychopaths and dismiss them as purely evil. Which is of course absurd, as psychopaths simply don't feel empathy in many cases - this doesn't make them malicious or bad people.</p><p>What I wonder though is if the victims could also be sociopaths, with a lack of empathy also being responsible for the lack of social skills and getting targeted.</p><p>Some psychopaths may be smart and have dominant personalities and so become bullys(as well as all the on bully psychopaths) who may prey on anyone to remain dominant.</p><p>Some psychopaths may not be as smart or not not e dominant, and then make an easy targets and get victimized as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many people are quick to mislabel bullys as psychopaths and dismiss them as purely evil .
Which is of course absurd , as psychopaths simply do n't feel empathy in many cases - this does n't make them malicious or bad people.What I wonder though is if the victims could also be sociopaths , with a lack of empathy also being responsible for the lack of social skills and getting targeted.Some psychopaths may be smart and have dominant personalities and so become bullys ( as well as all the on bully psychopaths ) who may prey on anyone to remain dominant.Some psychopaths may not be as smart or not not e dominant , and then make an easy targets and get victimized as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many people are quick to mislabel bullys as psychopaths and dismiss them as purely evil.
Which is of course absurd, as psychopaths simply don't feel empathy in many cases - this doesn't make them malicious or bad people.What I wonder though is if the victims could also be sociopaths, with a lack of empathy also being responsible for the lack of social skills and getting targeted.Some psychopaths may be smart and have dominant personalities and so become bullys(as well as all the on bully psychopaths) who may prey on anyone to remain dominant.Some psychopaths may not be as smart or not not e dominant, and then make an easy targets and get victimized as well.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>Beryllium Sphere(tm)</author>
	<datestamp>1264968720000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>How would boxing lessons help against gangs?</p><p>Maybe the bullies in your school were loners but in mine they hung out together.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How would boxing lessons help against gangs ? Maybe the bullies in your school were loners but in mine they hung out together .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How would boxing lessons help against gangs?Maybe the bullies in your school were loners but in mine they hung out together.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Okay, let's break this down...</title>
	<author>uglyMood</author>
	<datestamp>1265131380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>On the one hand, bullies rarely if ever make a positive contribution to society.  They are irrationally violent towards the kids that are smarter, not as socially developed, less physically imposing, and have odd interests.</p><p>On the other hand, the intelligent, awkward runts with unusual obsessions are pretty much responsible for every every bit of human progress since the invention of fire.</p><p>Guess which group of people the article says must alter its behavior?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On the one hand , bullies rarely if ever make a positive contribution to society .
They are irrationally violent towards the kids that are smarter , not as socially developed , less physically imposing , and have odd interests.On the other hand , the intelligent , awkward runts with unusual obsessions are pretty much responsible for every every bit of human progress since the invention of fire.Guess which group of people the article says must alter its behavior ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the one hand, bullies rarely if ever make a positive contribution to society.
They are irrationally violent towards the kids that are smarter, not as socially developed, less physically imposing, and have odd interests.On the other hand, the intelligent, awkward runts with unusual obsessions are pretty much responsible for every every bit of human progress since the invention of fire.Guess which group of people the article says must alter its behavior?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Article translation: CONFORM</title>
	<author>Chicken04GTO</author>
	<datestamp>1264955160000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>In the high school halls<br>
In the shopping malls<br>
Conform or be cast out<br>
(Subdivisions)<br>
In the basement bars<br>
In the backs of cars<br>
Be cool or be cast out<br>
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Conform or get harassed by bullies?  How about the next time someone harasses you, you ask them nicely to stop, and if they continue, punch them in the face.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/Problem</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the high school halls In the shopping malls Conform or be cast out ( Subdivisions ) In the basement bars In the backs of cars Be cool or be cast out Conform or get harassed by bullies ?
How about the next time someone harasses you , you ask them nicely to stop , and if they continue , punch them in the face .
/Problem</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the high school halls
In the shopping malls
Conform or be cast out
(Subdivisions)
In the basement bars
In the backs of cars
Be cool or be cast out

Conform or get harassed by bullies?
How about the next time someone harasses you, you ask them nicely to stop, and if they continue, punch them in the face.
/Problem</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>bkr1\_2k</author>
	<datestamp>1264959960000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Fighting back is all well and good, but what if one is physically useless?  I was tiny for my age and all skin and bones.  80-odd pounds in 8th grade.  Barely able to carry books to school.  The only thing that kept me somewhat out of trouble was that I could usually sprint fast enough to get out of their range, and they'd eventually give up for the day.  Of course, it would start up all over again the next day.  Teachers didn't care.  Mom tried to soothe me that in heaven, "the last shall be first".  What a crock of bullshit.</p><p>Sometimes, life's not fair, and that's that.  I often think it would have been better had my mom had that abortion.</p></div><p>You had me by nearly 20 pounds my freshman year of high school.  Being picked on isn't about brute strength, it's about attitude.  If you don't allow people to push you around emotionally, they won't bother to push you around physically.  It's fear that bullies crave and no body will bother with a kid who isn't afraid of taking a beating to stand up for himself.  In 7th and 8th grade I had a couple of showdowns with the largest kid in school.  He was a giant at 6'3 and over 200 pounds (in 7th grade) and I was about 4'8 and weighed 65 pounds.  The first showdown was him trying to pick on me and me standing up to it.  The second was him picking on someone else and me stepping in to stop it.  The simple solution in situations like this is to point out the obvious.  I told him that he couldn''t possibly win... if he beat up the "little kid" he'd look like an idiot because he clearly could beat me up and if somehow I beat him up he'd look like an idiot because the "little kid" beat him up.  He never once hit me and realized that he couldn't intimidate me so he just didn't bother.</p><p>Violence isn't necessary, especially when you're little.  Logic works much more effectively.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Fighting back is all well and good , but what if one is physically useless ?
I was tiny for my age and all skin and bones .
80-odd pounds in 8th grade .
Barely able to carry books to school .
The only thing that kept me somewhat out of trouble was that I could usually sprint fast enough to get out of their range , and they 'd eventually give up for the day .
Of course , it would start up all over again the next day .
Teachers did n't care .
Mom tried to soothe me that in heaven , " the last shall be first " .
What a crock of bullshit.Sometimes , life 's not fair , and that 's that .
I often think it would have been better had my mom had that abortion.You had me by nearly 20 pounds my freshman year of high school .
Being picked on is n't about brute strength , it 's about attitude .
If you do n't allow people to push you around emotionally , they wo n't bother to push you around physically .
It 's fear that bullies crave and no body will bother with a kid who is n't afraid of taking a beating to stand up for himself .
In 7th and 8th grade I had a couple of showdowns with the largest kid in school .
He was a giant at 6'3 and over 200 pounds ( in 7th grade ) and I was about 4'8 and weighed 65 pounds .
The first showdown was him trying to pick on me and me standing up to it .
The second was him picking on someone else and me stepping in to stop it .
The simple solution in situations like this is to point out the obvious .
I told him that he couldn''t possibly win... if he beat up the " little kid " he 'd look like an idiot because he clearly could beat me up and if somehow I beat him up he 'd look like an idiot because the " little kid " beat him up .
He never once hit me and realized that he could n't intimidate me so he just did n't bother.Violence is n't necessary , especially when you 're little .
Logic works much more effectively .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fighting back is all well and good, but what if one is physically useless?
I was tiny for my age and all skin and bones.
80-odd pounds in 8th grade.
Barely able to carry books to school.
The only thing that kept me somewhat out of trouble was that I could usually sprint fast enough to get out of their range, and they'd eventually give up for the day.
Of course, it would start up all over again the next day.
Teachers didn't care.
Mom tried to soothe me that in heaven, "the last shall be first".
What a crock of bullshit.Sometimes, life's not fair, and that's that.
I often think it would have been better had my mom had that abortion.You had me by nearly 20 pounds my freshman year of high school.
Being picked on isn't about brute strength, it's about attitude.
If you don't allow people to push you around emotionally, they won't bother to push you around physically.
It's fear that bullies crave and no body will bother with a kid who isn't afraid of taking a beating to stand up for himself.
In 7th and 8th grade I had a couple of showdowns with the largest kid in school.
He was a giant at 6'3 and over 200 pounds (in 7th grade) and I was about 4'8 and weighed 65 pounds.
The first showdown was him trying to pick on me and me standing up to it.
The second was him picking on someone else and me stepping in to stop it.
The simple solution in situations like this is to point out the obvious.
I told him that he couldn''t possibly win... if he beat up the "little kid" he'd look like an idiot because he clearly could beat me up and if somehow I beat him up he'd look like an idiot because the "little kid" beat him up.
He never once hit me and realized that he couldn't intimidate me so he just didn't bother.Violence isn't necessary, especially when you're little.
Logic works much more effectively.
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	<title>It is not about blame.</title>
	<author>v(*\_*)vvvv</author>
	<datestamp>1265133480000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>A lot of angry replies here about blaming the victim, but this article isn't necessarily about blame!! Yes, blame the aggressor, but the cause lies in both.</p><p>The bottom-line: There are those with tendencies to bully, and those with tendencies to get bullied. The key here is if you do not have the power to change the behavior of the bully, you have the option to change yourself and no longer be bullied! <b>Brilliant!!</b></p><p>There are a few other things worth mentioning.</p><p>1) Bullying can also be the product of circumstance, and not specifically the result of a said bully. It isn't the case where "if there is a bully ==&gt; they will bully". There needs to be more of a "there is bullying ==&gt; who's doing it" approach.</p><p>2) Some children really are sissies, and believe it or not, they can get inherently non-bullies to bully them. Sadly, these children often have sissy parents, sissy friends (if any), and are surrounded by sissy teachers. The original article definitely tries to shed light on this sissy factor.</p><p>3) There are <b>SO MANY THINGS</b> people can do to prevent bullying. It is so sad to see these situations escalate to the point where the victim commits suicide or decides to go postal in the school cafeteria. When such catastrophes occur, you will find parents of both the bully and the victim who didn't do enough, the friends and family who didn't do enough, the teachers and faculty that didn't do enough, and everyone who watched who didn't do enough. This kind of thing is 120\% preventable, and the illusion that these victims succumb to that there is no way out, really is the worst fiction imaginable.</p><p>Not knowing where the exits are is how we can all get burned in life. Someone just show them the exits!! There is always a way out. And someone knows about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of angry replies here about blaming the victim , but this article is n't necessarily about blame ! !
Yes , blame the aggressor , but the cause lies in both.The bottom-line : There are those with tendencies to bully , and those with tendencies to get bullied .
The key here is if you do not have the power to change the behavior of the bully , you have the option to change yourself and no longer be bullied !
Brilliant ! ! There are a few other things worth mentioning.1 ) Bullying can also be the product of circumstance , and not specifically the result of a said bully .
It is n't the case where " if there is a bully = = &gt; they will bully " .
There needs to be more of a " there is bullying = = &gt; who 's doing it " approach.2 ) Some children really are sissies , and believe it or not , they can get inherently non-bullies to bully them .
Sadly , these children often have sissy parents , sissy friends ( if any ) , and are surrounded by sissy teachers .
The original article definitely tries to shed light on this sissy factor.3 ) There are SO MANY THINGS people can do to prevent bullying .
It is so sad to see these situations escalate to the point where the victim commits suicide or decides to go postal in the school cafeteria .
When such catastrophes occur , you will find parents of both the bully and the victim who did n't do enough , the friends and family who did n't do enough , the teachers and faculty that did n't do enough , and everyone who watched who did n't do enough .
This kind of thing is 120 \ % preventable , and the illusion that these victims succumb to that there is no way out , really is the worst fiction imaginable.Not knowing where the exits are is how we can all get burned in life .
Someone just show them the exits ! !
There is always a way out .
And someone knows about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of angry replies here about blaming the victim, but this article isn't necessarily about blame!!
Yes, blame the aggressor, but the cause lies in both.The bottom-line: There are those with tendencies to bully, and those with tendencies to get bullied.
The key here is if you do not have the power to change the behavior of the bully, you have the option to change yourself and no longer be bullied!
Brilliant!!There are a few other things worth mentioning.1) Bullying can also be the product of circumstance, and not specifically the result of a said bully.
It isn't the case where "if there is a bully ==&gt; they will bully".
There needs to be more of a "there is bullying ==&gt; who's doing it" approach.2) Some children really are sissies, and believe it or not, they can get inherently non-bullies to bully them.
Sadly, these children often have sissy parents, sissy friends (if any), and are surrounded by sissy teachers.
The original article definitely tries to shed light on this sissy factor.3) There are SO MANY THINGS people can do to prevent bullying.
It is so sad to see these situations escalate to the point where the victim commits suicide or decides to go postal in the school cafeteria.
When such catastrophes occur, you will find parents of both the bully and the victim who didn't do enough, the friends and family who didn't do enough, the teachers and faculty that didn't do enough, and everyone who watched who didn't do enough.
This kind of thing is 120\% preventable, and the illusion that these victims succumb to that there is no way out, really is the worst fiction imaginable.Not knowing where the exits are is how we can all get burned in life.
Someone just show them the exits!!
There is always a way out.
And someone knows about it.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Be grateful</title>
	<author>wye43</author>
	<datestamp>1265274180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>First of all, I believe starting a topic on bullies on slashdot is an obvious flamebait. A damn good flamebait, ofc.<br>
<br>
I saw many interesting ideas flying around, but have you ever considered being grateful to the bullies?!<br>
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As crazy as it may sound, you started to brush your hair because someone made a cruel joke about your hair, you didn't forgot your keys again after you had to wait 2 hours in front of your house.<br>
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We are generically driven by any feedback, but negative feedback is the one driving our learning process. We hate experiencing that shiat so we avoid what it caused it.<br>
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What I'm saying is that the fact that you got bullied, and because you were an outcast, it forced you to find alternative ways to dominate them - by developing your intelect.<br>
<br>
How much of our capabilities is inherited and how much is learned is unclear, but one thing is sure: none is zero. It's a mix.<br>
<br>
<i>"People will love you if you make them think they are thinking, but they will hate you if you really make them think"</i> <br>
<br>
True learning is a painful process.<br>
YMMV ofc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , I believe starting a topic on bullies on slashdot is an obvious flamebait .
A damn good flamebait , ofc .
I saw many interesting ideas flying around , but have you ever considered being grateful to the bullies ? !
As crazy as it may sound , you started to brush your hair because someone made a cruel joke about your hair , you did n't forgot your keys again after you had to wait 2 hours in front of your house .
We are generically driven by any feedback , but negative feedback is the one driving our learning process .
We hate experiencing that shiat so we avoid what it caused it .
What I 'm saying is that the fact that you got bullied , and because you were an outcast , it forced you to find alternative ways to dominate them - by developing your intelect .
How much of our capabilities is inherited and how much is learned is unclear , but one thing is sure : none is zero .
It 's a mix .
" People will love you if you make them think they are thinking , but they will hate you if you really make them think " True learning is a painful process .
YMMV ofc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, I believe starting a topic on bullies on slashdot is an obvious flamebait.
A damn good flamebait, ofc.
I saw many interesting ideas flying around, but have you ever considered being grateful to the bullies?!
As crazy as it may sound, you started to brush your hair because someone made a cruel joke about your hair, you didn't forgot your keys again after you had to wait 2 hours in front of your house.
We are generically driven by any feedback, but negative feedback is the one driving our learning process.
We hate experiencing that shiat so we avoid what it caused it.
What I'm saying is that the fact that you got bullied, and because you were an outcast, it forced you to find alternative ways to dominate them - by developing your intelect.
How much of our capabilities is inherited and how much is learned is unclear, but one thing is sure: none is zero.
It's a mix.
"People will love you if you make them think they are thinking, but they will hate you if you really make them think" 

True learning is a painful process.
YMMV ofc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005448</id>
	<title>Re:Let's blame the victim!</title>
	<author>johncadengo</author>
	<datestamp>1265130000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The common attribute to bullying is bullies.  They are the source of the problem (as often a single link in a chain of abuse) and it would be wise to focus on identifying, exposing, and properly reacting to their abusive behavior against others.</p><p>I don't want to attack the entire study based on my perception of this article, and I'll support that having poor social skills can contribute to the likelihood of being a bully victim, but WTF?</p></div><p>Want to know my guess? A bully wrote this article.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The common attribute to bullying is bullies .
They are the source of the problem ( as often a single link in a chain of abuse ) and it would be wise to focus on identifying , exposing , and properly reacting to their abusive behavior against others.I do n't want to attack the entire study based on my perception of this article , and I 'll support that having poor social skills can contribute to the likelihood of being a bully victim , but WTF ? Want to know my guess ?
A bully wrote this article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The common attribute to bullying is bullies.
They are the source of the problem (as often a single link in a chain of abuse) and it would be wise to focus on identifying, exposing, and properly reacting to their abusive behavior against others.I don't want to attack the entire study based on my perception of this article, and I'll support that having poor social skills can contribute to the likelihood of being a bully victim, but WTF?Want to know my guess?
A bully wrote this article.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005078</id>
	<title>Re:Let's blame the victim!</title>
	<author>The Wooden Badger</author>
	<datestamp>1265127840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think that you are missing the point of the article.  If there is a certain set of traits that bullys prey on, isn't it wise to know what those traits are and then arm kids with those traits with the skills they need to not be a victim?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that you are missing the point of the article .
If there is a certain set of traits that bullys prey on , is n't it wise to know what those traits are and then arm kids with those traits with the skills they need to not be a victim ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that you are missing the point of the article.
If there is a certain set of traits that bullys prey on, isn't it wise to know what those traits are and then arm kids with those traits with the skills they need to not be a victim?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004456</id>
	<title>Let me translate</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265124180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let me translate the article for you so you don't have to waste time on its bullshit: bullied kids are responsible for their own torment and it's really their job to stop it from happening. --&gt; F-you Clark McKown. Right in the ear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me translate the article for you so you do n't have to waste time on its bullshit : bullied kids are responsible for their own torment and it 's really their job to stop it from happening .
-- &gt; F-you Clark McKown .
Right in the ear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me translate the article for you so you don't have to waste time on its bullshit: bullied kids are responsible for their own torment and it's really their job to stop it from happening.
--&gt; F-you Clark McKown.
Right in the ear.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31007552</id>
	<title>Re:Don't blame yourself</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264933680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreeing with peterofoz here.<br>- Boy whom lived with his mom and older sister. Brother and sister loathed each other. Had extreme anger management issues. Became target by being the only kid that stopped him harassing another kid on the first school day.<br>- Kid from an very dysfunctional family. Born with an unknown mental handicap and seemed unable to know right from wrong. Due to physically harming me twice (stabbed in the back, pushed down a cliff wall so I broke my arm) I'm still amazed they didn't moved him away from that school.<br>- The new kid from a "bad" family. Came late into the class social groups and needed to protect himself.<br>- Kid with tourettes. Equally bullied and could only cope with tense situations by bullying. Damn nice fellow when in a quiet and calm environment, but too much noise and he lost too much control.</p><p>Though in my case the biggest problem was how my school ignored issues. No matter what help someone needed they were mostly left to fend for themselves.<br>Reading difficulities, mental disadvantages, family problems, bullying. Everything was swept under carpets.<br>The basic mantra was "We don't need to do anyhting about that. They'll grow bored of it". I even heard administration say that to me about the bullies during my final 9th year.<br>When I changed school some kids (wannabe bullies) from the old one tried continuing the "legacy". The new school stamped down on it from day 1, and I didn't hear a thing after that.</p><p>I consider the "research" pure crap. All kids are vulnerable in one way or another when they come into a new environment, and when you're a kid you lack experience to cope with most of it.</p><p>A bit sunnier story though:<br>Apart from the damage it did, it did leave a few benefits. Years later I worked at a place were one girl my age had all the typical bully symptoms.<br>Whenever she entered my department you could see everybody go defensive and think "whom is she after this time?".<br>She especially hated me. I guess the reason was that I couldn't be pushed. She usually used bullying to get her jobs prioritized, and tbh. she was an amateur compared to my worst bully.<br>On my final workday there (last day before x-mas) I guess she thought she could get away with being a complete ass. So she come in to our department fully enraged.<br>I knew whom she was after and prepared myself to win that fight (never get angrier than her, no name calling, no physical harm, only rational arguments, stay until she runs out of juice).<br>She got angrier and angrier. I was equally mad inside, but never showed more than "mild annoyance". Every colleague and my boss were stomped and didn't dear to get close due to the mental case next to me.</p><p>End of story. She ran out of juice. I let her go out and close the door. Counted to ten to avoid killing someone. Stood up and yelled at my boss "I'm not tolerating that kind of behavior!". Walked over to a concrete wall. Said "Excuse me but I need to do this" and smashed my hand into the wall. It hurt for 2 weeks after that and was 100\% worth it. I stayed calm while talking to a psycotic person, yet showed the others how pissed I really was and my zero tolerance for harassment .<br>My boss took one of those hushed low-voice "You're in some big shit right now" talks with her and her boss after that.<br>For the whole time I worked there she never got me to snap, and instead ended up showing a whole department that bullying will never be tolerated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreeing with peterofoz here.- Boy whom lived with his mom and older sister .
Brother and sister loathed each other .
Had extreme anger management issues .
Became target by being the only kid that stopped him harassing another kid on the first school day.- Kid from an very dysfunctional family .
Born with an unknown mental handicap and seemed unable to know right from wrong .
Due to physically harming me twice ( stabbed in the back , pushed down a cliff wall so I broke my arm ) I 'm still amazed they did n't moved him away from that school.- The new kid from a " bad " family .
Came late into the class social groups and needed to protect himself.- Kid with tourettes .
Equally bullied and could only cope with tense situations by bullying .
Damn nice fellow when in a quiet and calm environment , but too much noise and he lost too much control.Though in my case the biggest problem was how my school ignored issues .
No matter what help someone needed they were mostly left to fend for themselves.Reading difficulities , mental disadvantages , family problems , bullying .
Everything was swept under carpets.The basic mantra was " We do n't need to do anyhting about that .
They 'll grow bored of it " .
I even heard administration say that to me about the bullies during my final 9th year.When I changed school some kids ( wannabe bullies ) from the old one tried continuing the " legacy " .
The new school stamped down on it from day 1 , and I did n't hear a thing after that.I consider the " research " pure crap .
All kids are vulnerable in one way or another when they come into a new environment , and when you 're a kid you lack experience to cope with most of it.A bit sunnier story though : Apart from the damage it did , it did leave a few benefits .
Years later I worked at a place were one girl my age had all the typical bully symptoms.Whenever she entered my department you could see everybody go defensive and think " whom is she after this time ?
" .She especially hated me .
I guess the reason was that I could n't be pushed .
She usually used bullying to get her jobs prioritized , and tbh .
she was an amateur compared to my worst bully.On my final workday there ( last day before x-mas ) I guess she thought she could get away with being a complete ass .
So she come in to our department fully enraged.I knew whom she was after and prepared myself to win that fight ( never get angrier than her , no name calling , no physical harm , only rational arguments , stay until she runs out of juice ) .She got angrier and angrier .
I was equally mad inside , but never showed more than " mild annoyance " .
Every colleague and my boss were stomped and did n't dear to get close due to the mental case next to me.End of story .
She ran out of juice .
I let her go out and close the door .
Counted to ten to avoid killing someone .
Stood up and yelled at my boss " I 'm not tolerating that kind of behavior ! " .
Walked over to a concrete wall .
Said " Excuse me but I need to do this " and smashed my hand into the wall .
It hurt for 2 weeks after that and was 100 \ % worth it .
I stayed calm while talking to a psycotic person , yet showed the others how pissed I really was and my zero tolerance for harassment .My boss took one of those hushed low-voice " You 're in some big shit right now " talks with her and her boss after that.For the whole time I worked there she never got me to snap , and instead ended up showing a whole department that bullying will never be tolerated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreeing with peterofoz here.- Boy whom lived with his mom and older sister.
Brother and sister loathed each other.
Had extreme anger management issues.
Became target by being the only kid that stopped him harassing another kid on the first school day.- Kid from an very dysfunctional family.
Born with an unknown mental handicap and seemed unable to know right from wrong.
Due to physically harming me twice (stabbed in the back, pushed down a cliff wall so I broke my arm) I'm still amazed they didn't moved him away from that school.- The new kid from a "bad" family.
Came late into the class social groups and needed to protect himself.- Kid with tourettes.
Equally bullied and could only cope with tense situations by bullying.
Damn nice fellow when in a quiet and calm environment, but too much noise and he lost too much control.Though in my case the biggest problem was how my school ignored issues.
No matter what help someone needed they were mostly left to fend for themselves.Reading difficulities, mental disadvantages, family problems, bullying.
Everything was swept under carpets.The basic mantra was "We don't need to do anyhting about that.
They'll grow bored of it".
I even heard administration say that to me about the bullies during my final 9th year.When I changed school some kids (wannabe bullies) from the old one tried continuing the "legacy".
The new school stamped down on it from day 1, and I didn't hear a thing after that.I consider the "research" pure crap.
All kids are vulnerable in one way or another when they come into a new environment, and when you're a kid you lack experience to cope with most of it.A bit sunnier story though:Apart from the damage it did, it did leave a few benefits.
Years later I worked at a place were one girl my age had all the typical bully symptoms.Whenever she entered my department you could see everybody go defensive and think "whom is she after this time?
".She especially hated me.
I guess the reason was that I couldn't be pushed.
She usually used bullying to get her jobs prioritized, and tbh.
she was an amateur compared to my worst bully.On my final workday there (last day before x-mas) I guess she thought she could get away with being a complete ass.
So she come in to our department fully enraged.I knew whom she was after and prepared myself to win that fight (never get angrier than her, no name calling, no physical harm, only rational arguments, stay until she runs out of juice).She got angrier and angrier.
I was equally mad inside, but never showed more than "mild annoyance".
Every colleague and my boss were stomped and didn't dear to get close due to the mental case next to me.End of story.
She ran out of juice.
I let her go out and close the door.
Counted to ten to avoid killing someone.
Stood up and yelled at my boss "I'm not tolerating that kind of behavior!".
Walked over to a concrete wall.
Said "Excuse me but I need to do this" and smashed my hand into the wall.
It hurt for 2 weeks after that and was 100\% worth it.
I stayed calm while talking to a psycotic person, yet showed the others how pissed I really was and my zero tolerance for harassment .My boss took one of those hushed low-voice "You're in some big shit right now" talks with her and her boss after that.For the whole time I worked there she never got me to snap, and instead ended up showing a whole department that bullying will never be tolerated.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31006622</id>
	<title>Almost Correct...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265140200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The factors involve a child's inability to pick up <b> and act on</b> on and respond to nonverbal cues from their pals.</p></div><p>Fixed that for you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The factors involve a child 's inability to pick up and act on on and respond to nonverbal cues from their pals.Fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The factors involve a child's inability to pick up  and act on on and respond to nonverbal cues from their pals.Fixed that for you.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31009860</id>
	<title>Re:The Comments are Really Interesting</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1264953720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, the punishment system does work much of the time. The problem is for those with the authority to punish being able to identify the bully. The victim of bullying can identify the bully, but how do you distinguish between good natured ribbing between peers and bullying? This study says that often times the behavior changes from good natured ribbing to bullying because the victim does not recognize the social signals being sent in a situation. Nothing in what this article says is meant to let the bully off the hook. It is meant to help the victims of bullies learn how to not be targets.<br> <br>
I understand the point of this article. I fit into the demographic that gets bullied, yet I never did. This article explains why. I never fought anybody in school and I was one of the "geeks", yet the bullies always left me alone. I sent out the signals that told the bullies I was not a victim.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the punishment system does work much of the time .
The problem is for those with the authority to punish being able to identify the bully .
The victim of bullying can identify the bully , but how do you distinguish between good natured ribbing between peers and bullying ?
This study says that often times the behavior changes from good natured ribbing to bullying because the victim does not recognize the social signals being sent in a situation .
Nothing in what this article says is meant to let the bully off the hook .
It is meant to help the victims of bullies learn how to not be targets .
I understand the point of this article .
I fit into the demographic that gets bullied , yet I never did .
This article explains why .
I never fought anybody in school and I was one of the " geeks " , yet the bullies always left me alone .
I sent out the signals that told the bullies I was not a victim .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the punishment system does work much of the time.
The problem is for those with the authority to punish being able to identify the bully.
The victim of bullying can identify the bully, but how do you distinguish between good natured ribbing between peers and bullying?
This study says that often times the behavior changes from good natured ribbing to bullying because the victim does not recognize the social signals being sent in a situation.
Nothing in what this article says is meant to let the bully off the hook.
It is meant to help the victims of bullies learn how to not be targets.
I understand the point of this article.
I fit into the demographic that gets bullied, yet I never did.
This article explains why.
I never fought anybody in school and I was one of the "geeks", yet the bullies always left me alone.
I sent out the signals that told the bullies I was not a victim.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31007792</id>
	<title>I wish .. somebody had told me to fight back</title>
	<author>sakari</author>
	<datestamp>1264936560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was bullied from the second grade upwards. Mainly by one or two year older stupid sons of bitches. I didn't know why they teased me, called me names, tried to beat me up and slapped me around. Maybe because I was a little overweight back then.  My solution was to avoid going to school, spend the days in the local forests, wait outside my home until my mother left work work or whatnot. For periods of two weeks or even longer at times.</p><p>I can't even remember some of my school years because I was missing so many days. I wish I could have understood that by fighting back I could have stopped it right there. But I didn't. I always felt like it was my own fault somehow. And the teachers couldn't do anything about it. I even moved this negative energy to some other students weaker than me, which I still regret.</p><p>The traumas of all the bullying and teasing are still inside me, I can still feel the hate for those bullies. I wish I could just let go, and I know that at some point I will.</p><p>Would I be a different person if I fought back then ? Probably. But all the bullying and teasing also has tempered me as a human being, I wont accept any shit anymore, not anymore man! So in kinda of a way I thank them for making my will so strong. Still, not wishing anyone being bullied or teased, ultimately I would probably advice kids to fight back, show them that you can't be bullied, even if it's wrong in a sense. Violence shouldn't be answered with violence, but in some cases it is justified.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was bullied from the second grade upwards .
Mainly by one or two year older stupid sons of bitches .
I did n't know why they teased me , called me names , tried to beat me up and slapped me around .
Maybe because I was a little overweight back then .
My solution was to avoid going to school , spend the days in the local forests , wait outside my home until my mother left work work or whatnot .
For periods of two weeks or even longer at times.I ca n't even remember some of my school years because I was missing so many days .
I wish I could have understood that by fighting back I could have stopped it right there .
But I did n't .
I always felt like it was my own fault somehow .
And the teachers could n't do anything about it .
I even moved this negative energy to some other students weaker than me , which I still regret.The traumas of all the bullying and teasing are still inside me , I can still feel the hate for those bullies .
I wish I could just let go , and I know that at some point I will.Would I be a different person if I fought back then ?
Probably. But all the bullying and teasing also has tempered me as a human being , I wont accept any shit anymore , not anymore man !
So in kinda of a way I thank them for making my will so strong .
Still , not wishing anyone being bullied or teased , ultimately I would probably advice kids to fight back , show them that you ca n't be bullied , even if it 's wrong in a sense .
Violence should n't be answered with violence , but in some cases it is justified .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was bullied from the second grade upwards.
Mainly by one or two year older stupid sons of bitches.
I didn't know why they teased me, called me names, tried to beat me up and slapped me around.
Maybe because I was a little overweight back then.
My solution was to avoid going to school, spend the days in the local forests, wait outside my home until my mother left work work or whatnot.
For periods of two weeks or even longer at times.I can't even remember some of my school years because I was missing so many days.
I wish I could have understood that by fighting back I could have stopped it right there.
But I didn't.
I always felt like it was my own fault somehow.
And the teachers couldn't do anything about it.
I even moved this negative energy to some other students weaker than me, which I still regret.The traumas of all the bullying and teasing are still inside me, I can still feel the hate for those bullies.
I wish I could just let go, and I know that at some point I will.Would I be a different person if I fought back then ?
Probably. But all the bullying and teasing also has tempered me as a human being, I wont accept any shit anymore, not anymore man!
So in kinda of a way I thank them for making my will so strong.
Still, not wishing anyone being bullied or teased, ultimately I would probably advice kids to fight back, show them that you can't be bullied, even if it's wrong in a sense.
Violence shouldn't be answered with violence, but in some cases it is justified.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004780</id>
	<title>Re:The Comments are Really Interesting</title>
	<author>Jason Levine</author>
	<datestamp>1265126280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Insofar as the article recommends helping the victims gain better social skills, I agree with it.  However, it seems to paint bullying as too much a problem of "oh, that kid has poor social skills so he's picked on, it's his fault" and not a problem of "oh, that kid wants to seem important in the pecking order so he picks on that kid with poor social skills."  The article's remedies for bullying don't address the bullies at all.</p><p>We'll never be able to get everyone 100\% in line socially.  There will always be people who lag behind (even if a small bit).  Bullies will pick up on these people and torment them.  Once it starts, it can become a vicious cycle with the victim dropping further and further back socially.  I would suggest punishment for the bullies as well as counseling or some kind of social assistance for the victims.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Insofar as the article recommends helping the victims gain better social skills , I agree with it .
However , it seems to paint bullying as too much a problem of " oh , that kid has poor social skills so he 's picked on , it 's his fault " and not a problem of " oh , that kid wants to seem important in the pecking order so he picks on that kid with poor social skills .
" The article 's remedies for bullying do n't address the bullies at all.We 'll never be able to get everyone 100 \ % in line socially .
There will always be people who lag behind ( even if a small bit ) .
Bullies will pick up on these people and torment them .
Once it starts , it can become a vicious cycle with the victim dropping further and further back socially .
I would suggest punishment for the bullies as well as counseling or some kind of social assistance for the victims .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Insofar as the article recommends helping the victims gain better social skills, I agree with it.
However, it seems to paint bullying as too much a problem of "oh, that kid has poor social skills so he's picked on, it's his fault" and not a problem of "oh, that kid wants to seem important in the pecking order so he picks on that kid with poor social skills.
"  The article's remedies for bullying don't address the bullies at all.We'll never be able to get everyone 100\% in line socially.
There will always be people who lag behind (even if a small bit).
Bullies will pick up on these people and torment them.
Once it starts, it can become a vicious cycle with the victim dropping further and further back socially.
I would suggest punishment for the bullies as well as counseling or some kind of social assistance for the victims.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005106</id>
	<title>No, that's not it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265127960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reason kids get bullied is that they exude Poindextrose.</p><p>Wait. That's kind of what he's saying, isn't it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason kids get bullied is that they exude Poindextrose.Wait .
That 's kind of what he 's saying , is n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason kids get bullied is that they exude Poindextrose.Wait.
That's kind of what he's saying, isn't it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31009650</id>
	<title>Re:Asking for it</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1264952880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Just like Battered Wife Syndrome, bullying is something that, ultimately, is the fault of the aggressor. Appeasement is not the solution.</p></div><p>Battered Wife Syndrome is real. I have known several women who have gone from abusive relationship to abusive relationship. When one of them asked a friend why they never met any decent guys, the friend told them they should start going to specific places where decent guys hung out to meet men rather than the places they usually went to, The battered woman's response was that all the guys who hung out at those places were boring. I know similar stories for most of the women I've known who always got into relationships with abusive men. Actually, I've, also, known one who, when she did date a nice guy, she tried to turn him into someone who would physically abuse her (she failed). They could never understand that the things they found attractive in a man were signs that he was abusive towards the women in his life. BTW, all the women I've known with this problem where I've known their background, were sexually bullied by guys from the time they hit puberty.<br> <br>
This by no means lets the men off the hook for battering women, in my opinion, it is always wrong for a man to hit a woman. Not all women who are abused by their SO suffer from Battered Wife Syndrome.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Just like Battered Wife Syndrome , bullying is something that , ultimately , is the fault of the aggressor .
Appeasement is not the solution.Battered Wife Syndrome is real .
I have known several women who have gone from abusive relationship to abusive relationship .
When one of them asked a friend why they never met any decent guys , the friend told them they should start going to specific places where decent guys hung out to meet men rather than the places they usually went to , The battered woman 's response was that all the guys who hung out at those places were boring .
I know similar stories for most of the women I 've known who always got into relationships with abusive men .
Actually , I 've , also , known one who , when she did date a nice guy , she tried to turn him into someone who would physically abuse her ( she failed ) .
They could never understand that the things they found attractive in a man were signs that he was abusive towards the women in his life .
BTW , all the women I 've known with this problem where I 've known their background , were sexually bullied by guys from the time they hit puberty .
This by no means lets the men off the hook for battering women , in my opinion , it is always wrong for a man to hit a woman .
Not all women who are abused by their SO suffer from Battered Wife Syndrome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just like Battered Wife Syndrome, bullying is something that, ultimately, is the fault of the aggressor.
Appeasement is not the solution.Battered Wife Syndrome is real.
I have known several women who have gone from abusive relationship to abusive relationship.
When one of them asked a friend why they never met any decent guys, the friend told them they should start going to specific places where decent guys hung out to meet men rather than the places they usually went to, The battered woman's response was that all the guys who hung out at those places were boring.
I know similar stories for most of the women I've known who always got into relationships with abusive men.
Actually, I've, also, known one who, when she did date a nice guy, she tried to turn him into someone who would physically abuse her (she failed).
They could never understand that the things they found attractive in a man were signs that he was abusive towards the women in his life.
BTW, all the women I've known with this problem where I've known their background, were sexually bullied by guys from the time they hit puberty.
This by no means lets the men off the hook for battering women, in my opinion, it is always wrong for a man to hit a woman.
Not all women who are abused by their SO suffer from Battered Wife Syndrome.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004336</id>
	<title>I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265123580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>
  Years of pent-up anger boiled over.  My high school tormentor was sitting across a cafeteria table from me.
  I decided right then and there,that I was going to strike back, as brutally and spectacularly as possible.
  I used the attached round stool as a launching pad and dove into him, knocking both of us to the ground.
  I rose immediately, punching him in the hard part of the side of the head - hard enough to indent my middle knuckle
  to the point that it's now level with the rest of the other knuckles.

  He was humiliated, I was vindicated (and suffered very mild punishment), and the BULLYING STOPPED FOR GOOD
  because the 1200+ other students in that school learned through the usual grapevine that I FOUGHT BACK.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Years of pent-up anger boiled over .
My high school tormentor was sitting across a cafeteria table from me .
I decided right then and there,that I was going to strike back , as brutally and spectacularly as possible .
I used the attached round stool as a launching pad and dove into him , knocking both of us to the ground .
I rose immediately , punching him in the hard part of the side of the head - hard enough to indent my middle knuckle to the point that it 's now level with the rest of the other knuckles .
He was humiliated , I was vindicated ( and suffered very mild punishment ) , and the BULLYING STOPPED FOR GOOD because the 1200 + other students in that school learned through the usual grapevine that I FOUGHT BACK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
  Years of pent-up anger boiled over.
My high school tormentor was sitting across a cafeteria table from me.
I decided right then and there,that I was going to strike back, as brutally and spectacularly as possible.
I used the attached round stool as a launching pad and dove into him, knocking both of us to the ground.
I rose immediately, punching him in the hard part of the side of the head - hard enough to indent my middle knuckle
  to the point that it's now level with the rest of the other knuckles.
He was humiliated, I was vindicated (and suffered very mild punishment), and the BULLYING STOPPED FOR GOOD
  because the 1200+ other students in that school learned through the usual grapevine that I FOUGHT BACK.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31006988</id>
	<title>Fitting in</title>
	<author>falconcy</author>
	<datestamp>1264970940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A lot of it is about fitting in. My own son got a rough ride when we moved abroad and he didn't fit in, despite being fluent in the local language. He was different and he really had a rough ride. Some namby pamby child trick cyclist the school insisted he saw tried to tell me that he had low self esteem, which I knew was utter bullshit. I pulled him out of that school there and then despite threats of legal action etc and told them that if I as a parent had allowed my kid to be treated in that way, I'd rightfully be in serious trouble.

After a term at home, he started in a new school and was one of the tougher kids, though he never used this to bully other kids. The experience of being bullied like this was a life lesson for him. A couple of years later some of the kids who had been bullying him saw him around and decided to have a go at him in the street, he beat the crap out of all three of them. He's never had a problem since then.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of it is about fitting in .
My own son got a rough ride when we moved abroad and he did n't fit in , despite being fluent in the local language .
He was different and he really had a rough ride .
Some namby pamby child trick cyclist the school insisted he saw tried to tell me that he had low self esteem , which I knew was utter bullshit .
I pulled him out of that school there and then despite threats of legal action etc and told them that if I as a parent had allowed my kid to be treated in that way , I 'd rightfully be in serious trouble .
After a term at home , he started in a new school and was one of the tougher kids , though he never used this to bully other kids .
The experience of being bullied like this was a life lesson for him .
A couple of years later some of the kids who had been bullying him saw him around and decided to have a go at him in the street , he beat the crap out of all three of them .
He 's never had a problem since then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of it is about fitting in.
My own son got a rough ride when we moved abroad and he didn't fit in, despite being fluent in the local language.
He was different and he really had a rough ride.
Some namby pamby child trick cyclist the school insisted he saw tried to tell me that he had low self esteem, which I knew was utter bullshit.
I pulled him out of that school there and then despite threats of legal action etc and told them that if I as a parent had allowed my kid to be treated in that way, I'd rightfully be in serious trouble.
After a term at home, he started in a new school and was one of the tougher kids, though he never used this to bully other kids.
The experience of being bullied like this was a life lesson for him.
A couple of years later some of the kids who had been bullying him saw him around and decided to have a go at him in the street, he beat the crap out of all three of them.
He's never had a problem since then.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31030772</id>
	<title>I love the smell of irony in the morning....</title>
	<author>seanvaandering</author>
	<datestamp>1265302440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find it ironic that 99.9\% of the people here are all victims of bullying all trying to understand and explain what a bully might be feeling or thinking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it ironic that 99.9 \ % of the people here are all victims of bullying all trying to understand and explain what a bully might be feeling or thinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find it ironic that 99.9\% of the people here are all victims of bullying all trying to understand and explain what a bully might be feeling or thinking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31009824</id>
	<title>terrorists are bullies</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264953660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The tribal mentality of terrorist groups reminds me of highschool bullies in a way in that they prey on the weaknesses of others attempting to instill fear. Why am I mentioning this? Because after reading the many posts in favor of fighting back against bullies I wanted to point out that in many ways there is a parallel happening today on a larger scale. Imho it is vital that victims of terrorism show strength by fighting back. As soon as you show fear you're hunted down by the lion pack. So ya'll seem to understand this concept is what I'm sayin which makes me wonder why it seems we don't understand why the U.S. went to "war." Yeah war is bad, most of us know that, but sometimes it's thrust upon you by bullies who need a good punch in the mouth once in a while.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The tribal mentality of terrorist groups reminds me of highschool bullies in a way in that they prey on the weaknesses of others attempting to instill fear .
Why am I mentioning this ?
Because after reading the many posts in favor of fighting back against bullies I wanted to point out that in many ways there is a parallel happening today on a larger scale .
Imho it is vital that victims of terrorism show strength by fighting back .
As soon as you show fear you 're hunted down by the lion pack .
So ya 'll seem to understand this concept is what I 'm sayin which makes me wonder why it seems we do n't understand why the U.S. went to " war .
" Yeah war is bad , most of us know that , but sometimes it 's thrust upon you by bullies who need a good punch in the mouth once in a while .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The tribal mentality of terrorist groups reminds me of highschool bullies in a way in that they prey on the weaknesses of others attempting to instill fear.
Why am I mentioning this?
Because after reading the many posts in favor of fighting back against bullies I wanted to point out that in many ways there is a parallel happening today on a larger scale.
Imho it is vital that victims of terrorism show strength by fighting back.
As soon as you show fear you're hunted down by the lion pack.
So ya'll seem to understand this concept is what I'm sayin which makes me wonder why it seems we don't understand why the U.S. went to "war.
" Yeah war is bad, most of us know that, but sometimes it's thrust upon you by bullies who need a good punch in the mouth once in a while.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31026250</id>
	<title>Bullied on SlashDot</title>
	<author>minstrelmike</author>
	<datestamp>1265274960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I get bullied on slash dot all the time. Mom says it's because I don't understand emoticons. *&amp;^</htmltext>
<tokenext>I get bullied on slash dot all the time .
Mom says it 's because I do n't understand emoticons .
* &amp; ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I get bullied on slash dot all the time.
Mom says it's because I don't understand emoticons.
*&amp;^</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31018042</id>
	<title>Listen up, all you whiny-ass nerds</title>
	<author>Theovon</author>
	<datestamp>1264950600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, when I was in high school, I was THE nerd.  If you asked someone who was the nerd in my school, they would tell you it was me.  So I really understand what it's like to be on the receiving end of bullying.</p><p>But unlike most of you social retards (I'm trying to sound like a jerk to drive home the point emotionally as well as intellectually), I eventually developed social skills.  It happened in my 20's, but it eventually happened.  I learned to pay attention to people's feelings and not stomp on them.  I learned to consider the consequences of my actions and not take action that bothered people.</p><p>See, the thing is, I wasn't just picked on by bullies.  I was picked on by EVERYONE.  Why?  Because I was obnoxious.  I irritated the hell out of them.  I behaved strangely.  I only ever talked about computers.  I thought that if I didn't intend harm, then there couldn't possibly BE any harm, so anyone objection to anything I did was just being a jerk.</p><p>Growing up is hard, and it involves realizing that there are other people in the world besides yourself and that you have to take an active role in making room for those other people.  If you don't, they will ostracize you.  It's as simple as that.  You can be yourself, you can be weird, and you can have your geeky interests.  No one's saying that you have to pretend to be not a geek.  They're just saying that you have to learn to treat other people with respect.</p><p>Of course, the problem with most of you people here on slashdot is that you have had it beaten into you that you're obnoxious, and you just don't CARE.  And so you are the TRUE bullies.  The bullies in high school are often abused kids who are acting out against a world that is hostile to them, so they pick on the weaker people to make themselves feel better.  But they're usually not very self-aware.  They don't have the mens rea, so to speak.  They're like animals who realize only on a rudimentary level that they're hurting people.  This is also true of most nerds.  The bullies and the nerds share this lack of awareness of other people's space.  The truly evil ones are the nerds who eventually realize why people don't like them and keep doing it anyway because it's fun to be an asshole.</p><p>People need to learn to respect others and take responsibility for their actions.  Grow up and start acting like a member of the human race and not some kind of pseudo-superior schmuck with a god complex.</p><p>Ever watch "Bones"?  The TV show with David Boreanaz and Emily Deschanel, where they're a bunch of forensic anthropologists.  There was this one moment that really pissed me off, because Bones (Dr. Brennan) can be such an ass.  (Occasionally, I suspend reality and get caught up in the story.  I'm also married, which means I have sex and know something about compromise.  It also affects what TV shows I watch.)  The characters were commenting about how a bunch of the people working there were geniuses.  And then Brennan says "except Angela."  Now, the thing is, this was just Brennan being her usual intellectual, socially unaware self.  She didn't MEAN anything mean by it.  But it was a terribly mean thing to say.  And it was also quite wrong.  On numerous occasions, Angela had given psychologists like Sweets a run for their money.  She's not trained as a psychologist.  This stuff just comes naturally.  She's a SOCIAL genius.</p><p>Why am I taking a tangent into prime-time TV?  Because it's a good example of what happens in reality.  We technical geeks think we're such hot shit because we can compile Linux kernels.  Meanwhile, we alienate anyone who can't.  We act like the only kind of genius is the computer nerd.  We forget that there are people whose intelligence is as great as ours, just directed at other things.  And I don't mean just things like math and physics.  Linguists and psychologists count too.  And people who know how to make a lot of friends.</p><p>Where do you think Steve Jobs' RDF comes from?  He's a brilliant social manipulator.  He's also very aware of what people want, what t</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , when I was in high school , I was THE nerd .
If you asked someone who was the nerd in my school , they would tell you it was me .
So I really understand what it 's like to be on the receiving end of bullying.But unlike most of you social retards ( I 'm trying to sound like a jerk to drive home the point emotionally as well as intellectually ) , I eventually developed social skills .
It happened in my 20 's , but it eventually happened .
I learned to pay attention to people 's feelings and not stomp on them .
I learned to consider the consequences of my actions and not take action that bothered people.See , the thing is , I was n't just picked on by bullies .
I was picked on by EVERYONE .
Why ? Because I was obnoxious .
I irritated the hell out of them .
I behaved strangely .
I only ever talked about computers .
I thought that if I did n't intend harm , then there could n't possibly BE any harm , so anyone objection to anything I did was just being a jerk.Growing up is hard , and it involves realizing that there are other people in the world besides yourself and that you have to take an active role in making room for those other people .
If you do n't , they will ostracize you .
It 's as simple as that .
You can be yourself , you can be weird , and you can have your geeky interests .
No one 's saying that you have to pretend to be not a geek .
They 're just saying that you have to learn to treat other people with respect.Of course , the problem with most of you people here on slashdot is that you have had it beaten into you that you 're obnoxious , and you just do n't CARE .
And so you are the TRUE bullies .
The bullies in high school are often abused kids who are acting out against a world that is hostile to them , so they pick on the weaker people to make themselves feel better .
But they 're usually not very self-aware .
They do n't have the mens rea , so to speak .
They 're like animals who realize only on a rudimentary level that they 're hurting people .
This is also true of most nerds .
The bullies and the nerds share this lack of awareness of other people 's space .
The truly evil ones are the nerds who eventually realize why people do n't like them and keep doing it anyway because it 's fun to be an asshole.People need to learn to respect others and take responsibility for their actions .
Grow up and start acting like a member of the human race and not some kind of pseudo-superior schmuck with a god complex.Ever watch " Bones " ?
The TV show with David Boreanaz and Emily Deschanel , where they 're a bunch of forensic anthropologists .
There was this one moment that really pissed me off , because Bones ( Dr. Brennan ) can be such an ass .
( Occasionally , I suspend reality and get caught up in the story .
I 'm also married , which means I have sex and know something about compromise .
It also affects what TV shows I watch .
) The characters were commenting about how a bunch of the people working there were geniuses .
And then Brennan says " except Angela .
" Now , the thing is , this was just Brennan being her usual intellectual , socially unaware self .
She did n't MEAN anything mean by it .
But it was a terribly mean thing to say .
And it was also quite wrong .
On numerous occasions , Angela had given psychologists like Sweets a run for their money .
She 's not trained as a psychologist .
This stuff just comes naturally .
She 's a SOCIAL genius.Why am I taking a tangent into prime-time TV ?
Because it 's a good example of what happens in reality .
We technical geeks think we 're such hot shit because we can compile Linux kernels .
Meanwhile , we alienate anyone who ca n't .
We act like the only kind of genius is the computer nerd .
We forget that there are people whose intelligence is as great as ours , just directed at other things .
And I do n't mean just things like math and physics .
Linguists and psychologists count too .
And people who know how to make a lot of friends.Where do you think Steve Jobs ' RDF comes from ?
He 's a brilliant social manipulator .
He 's also very aware of what people want , what t</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, when I was in high school, I was THE nerd.
If you asked someone who was the nerd in my school, they would tell you it was me.
So I really understand what it's like to be on the receiving end of bullying.But unlike most of you social retards (I'm trying to sound like a jerk to drive home the point emotionally as well as intellectually), I eventually developed social skills.
It happened in my 20's, but it eventually happened.
I learned to pay attention to people's feelings and not stomp on them.
I learned to consider the consequences of my actions and not take action that bothered people.See, the thing is, I wasn't just picked on by bullies.
I was picked on by EVERYONE.
Why?  Because I was obnoxious.
I irritated the hell out of them.
I behaved strangely.
I only ever talked about computers.
I thought that if I didn't intend harm, then there couldn't possibly BE any harm, so anyone objection to anything I did was just being a jerk.Growing up is hard, and it involves realizing that there are other people in the world besides yourself and that you have to take an active role in making room for those other people.
If you don't, they will ostracize you.
It's as simple as that.
You can be yourself, you can be weird, and you can have your geeky interests.
No one's saying that you have to pretend to be not a geek.
They're just saying that you have to learn to treat other people with respect.Of course, the problem with most of you people here on slashdot is that you have had it beaten into you that you're obnoxious, and you just don't CARE.
And so you are the TRUE bullies.
The bullies in high school are often abused kids who are acting out against a world that is hostile to them, so they pick on the weaker people to make themselves feel better.
But they're usually not very self-aware.
They don't have the mens rea, so to speak.
They're like animals who realize only on a rudimentary level that they're hurting people.
This is also true of most nerds.
The bullies and the nerds share this lack of awareness of other people's space.
The truly evil ones are the nerds who eventually realize why people don't like them and keep doing it anyway because it's fun to be an asshole.People need to learn to respect others and take responsibility for their actions.
Grow up and start acting like a member of the human race and not some kind of pseudo-superior schmuck with a god complex.Ever watch "Bones"?
The TV show with David Boreanaz and Emily Deschanel, where they're a bunch of forensic anthropologists.
There was this one moment that really pissed me off, because Bones (Dr. Brennan) can be such an ass.
(Occasionally, I suspend reality and get caught up in the story.
I'm also married, which means I have sex and know something about compromise.
It also affects what TV shows I watch.
)  The characters were commenting about how a bunch of the people working there were geniuses.
And then Brennan says "except Angela.
"  Now, the thing is, this was just Brennan being her usual intellectual, socially unaware self.
She didn't MEAN anything mean by it.
But it was a terribly mean thing to say.
And it was also quite wrong.
On numerous occasions, Angela had given psychologists like Sweets a run for their money.
She's not trained as a psychologist.
This stuff just comes naturally.
She's a SOCIAL genius.Why am I taking a tangent into prime-time TV?
Because it's a good example of what happens in reality.
We technical geeks think we're such hot shit because we can compile Linux kernels.
Meanwhile, we alienate anyone who can't.
We act like the only kind of genius is the computer nerd.
We forget that there are people whose intelligence is as great as ours, just directed at other things.
And I don't mean just things like math and physics.
Linguists and psychologists count too.
And people who know how to make a lot of friends.Where do you think Steve Jobs' RDF comes from?
He's a brilliant social manipulator.
He's also very aware of what people want, what t</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004552</id>
	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265124840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>In my school my bully was doing the standard showing how tough/cool he was at lunch by making me get more drinks for the table (think Hogwarts style giant cafeteria) I got it last time so I told him to piss off. So he a little pissed that I didn't submit flipped my plate onto my lap saying 'oops' and laughing it up with his friends/lackeys. So I got up steaming as he continued to make fun of me. Grabbed his fingers and twisted his arm behind his back and slammed his face into the table as hard as I could. It was really loud... in a room with about 800 people in it silencing to only him whimpering and me telling him to fuck off. It felt empowering afterward but at the time I was too terrified horrified and enraged to notice. Suffice to say my outburst nearly got me expelled mid term, while his tormenting other students was never punished (he used to be pretty bad to other students). And it was completely worth it. It is good to know that you won't bend over and take abuse, good to know that you are in control and don't have to take people's shit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In my school my bully was doing the standard showing how tough/cool he was at lunch by making me get more drinks for the table ( think Hogwarts style giant cafeteria ) I got it last time so I told him to piss off .
So he a little pissed that I did n't submit flipped my plate onto my lap saying 'oops ' and laughing it up with his friends/lackeys .
So I got up steaming as he continued to make fun of me .
Grabbed his fingers and twisted his arm behind his back and slammed his face into the table as hard as I could .
It was really loud... in a room with about 800 people in it silencing to only him whimpering and me telling him to fuck off .
It felt empowering afterward but at the time I was too terrified horrified and enraged to notice .
Suffice to say my outburst nearly got me expelled mid term , while his tormenting other students was never punished ( he used to be pretty bad to other students ) .
And it was completely worth it .
It is good to know that you wo n't bend over and take abuse , good to know that you are in control and do n't have to take people 's shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my school my bully was doing the standard showing how tough/cool he was at lunch by making me get more drinks for the table (think Hogwarts style giant cafeteria) I got it last time so I told him to piss off.
So he a little pissed that I didn't submit flipped my plate onto my lap saying 'oops' and laughing it up with his friends/lackeys.
So I got up steaming as he continued to make fun of me.
Grabbed his fingers and twisted his arm behind his back and slammed his face into the table as hard as I could.
It was really loud... in a room with about 800 people in it silencing to only him whimpering and me telling him to fuck off.
It felt empowering afterward but at the time I was too terrified horrified and enraged to notice.
Suffice to say my outburst nearly got me expelled mid term, while his tormenting other students was never punished (he used to be pretty bad to other students).
And it was completely worth it.
It is good to know that you won't bend over and take abuse, good to know that you are in control and don't have to take people's shit.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Parent is not a troll</title>
	<author>professionalfurryele</author>
	<datestamp>1264930200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GP obviously needed a class in social skills to recognise the signs that he would be unfairly modded down and react accordingly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GP obviously needed a class in social skills to recognise the signs that he would be unfairly modded down and react accordingly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GP obviously needed a class in social skills to recognise the signs that he would be unfairly modded down and react accordingly.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005188</id>
	<title>Personally,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265128380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I completely identify with the summary (RTFA? This is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. dontcha know).</p><p>I wouldn't say I was ever bullied much but I only ever started making friends once I taught myself how to interpret non-verbal cues and appropriately respond. One example of my failings is, throughout my teenage years, occasionally people would tell me they thought I was arrogant, and I had no idea why. Looking back, I can see it was simply a case of my own ignorance when it came to human interactions.</p><p>The sad thing is now, being in my late twenties, I don't feel any different to the me of ten or fifteen years ago; I am just a lot better at pretending to be someone else, better at being in the company of other people without them disliking me.</p><p>All this is just anecdotal, of course. But from my own limited perspective, this all makes sense, and I would encourage developing these sorts of skills sooner rather than later. It makes life easier.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I completely identify with the summary ( RTFA ?
This is / .
dontcha know ) .I would n't say I was ever bullied much but I only ever started making friends once I taught myself how to interpret non-verbal cues and appropriately respond .
One example of my failings is , throughout my teenage years , occasionally people would tell me they thought I was arrogant , and I had no idea why .
Looking back , I can see it was simply a case of my own ignorance when it came to human interactions.The sad thing is now , being in my late twenties , I do n't feel any different to the me of ten or fifteen years ago ; I am just a lot better at pretending to be someone else , better at being in the company of other people without them disliking me.All this is just anecdotal , of course .
But from my own limited perspective , this all makes sense , and I would encourage developing these sorts of skills sooner rather than later .
It makes life easier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I completely identify with the summary (RTFA?
This is /.
dontcha know).I wouldn't say I was ever bullied much but I only ever started making friends once I taught myself how to interpret non-verbal cues and appropriately respond.
One example of my failings is, throughout my teenage years, occasionally people would tell me they thought I was arrogant, and I had no idea why.
Looking back, I can see it was simply a case of my own ignorance when it came to human interactions.The sad thing is now, being in my late twenties, I don't feel any different to the me of ten or fifteen years ago; I am just a lot better at pretending to be someone else, better at being in the company of other people without them disliking me.All this is just anecdotal, of course.
But from my own limited perspective, this all makes sense, and I would encourage developing these sorts of skills sooner rather than later.
It makes life easier.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005002</id>
	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>Shark</author>
	<datestamp>1265127480000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Interesting.  I suffered pretty severe bullying throughout a fair portion of my high-school until one of the worse bullies actually gave me the answer.  I had always done what every bullied kid is told, ignore them and they'll go away.  Obviously that doesn't work at all, most people in this thread can attest to that.  Then one of the most notorious tormentors was picking one one of my friends (who had it even worse than me) in gym class and actually asked my friend why he was such a looser, etc...  In comparing him to me.  Saying that at least I was making an effort to be sociable (as a new kid in that school, I was making efforts in that direction).  It sort of struck me...  I didn't have to be stronger or beat them up or anything of the sort.  I just had to be someone they like.  Turns out that it wasn't very hard.  Of course there's always one or two to pick on you regardless...  But when everybody else likes you, the incentive just isn't there.  It makes them look bad instead of cool.</p><p>Oddly enough, I became fairly popular in that same school year and actually ended up (with regret in retrospect) picking on the friend I mentioned earlier.  Not so much because I thought I had somehow become better than he was, but out of frustration for him being incapable of understanding what I had finally caught on to and tried in vain to explain to him.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting .
I suffered pretty severe bullying throughout a fair portion of my high-school until one of the worse bullies actually gave me the answer .
I had always done what every bullied kid is told , ignore them and they 'll go away .
Obviously that does n't work at all , most people in this thread can attest to that .
Then one of the most notorious tormentors was picking one one of my friends ( who had it even worse than me ) in gym class and actually asked my friend why he was such a looser , etc... In comparing him to me .
Saying that at least I was making an effort to be sociable ( as a new kid in that school , I was making efforts in that direction ) .
It sort of struck me... I did n't have to be stronger or beat them up or anything of the sort .
I just had to be someone they like .
Turns out that it was n't very hard .
Of course there 's always one or two to pick on you regardless... But when everybody else likes you , the incentive just is n't there .
It makes them look bad instead of cool.Oddly enough , I became fairly popular in that same school year and actually ended up ( with regret in retrospect ) picking on the friend I mentioned earlier .
Not so much because I thought I had somehow become better than he was , but out of frustration for him being incapable of understanding what I had finally caught on to and tried in vain to explain to him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting.
I suffered pretty severe bullying throughout a fair portion of my high-school until one of the worse bullies actually gave me the answer.
I had always done what every bullied kid is told, ignore them and they'll go away.
Obviously that doesn't work at all, most people in this thread can attest to that.
Then one of the most notorious tormentors was picking one one of my friends (who had it even worse than me) in gym class and actually asked my friend why he was such a looser, etc...  In comparing him to me.
Saying that at least I was making an effort to be sociable (as a new kid in that school, I was making efforts in that direction).
It sort of struck me...  I didn't have to be stronger or beat them up or anything of the sort.
I just had to be someone they like.
Turns out that it wasn't very hard.
Of course there's always one or two to pick on you regardless...  But when everybody else likes you, the incentive just isn't there.
It makes them look bad instead of cool.Oddly enough, I became fairly popular in that same school year and actually ended up (with regret in retrospect) picking on the friend I mentioned earlier.
Not so much because I thought I had somehow become better than he was, but out of frustration for him being incapable of understanding what I had finally caught on to and tried in vain to explain to him.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004890</id>
	<title>Re:The Comments are Really Interesting</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1265126880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"People have always tried to end bullying by punishing the bullies, but it has never been an effective way to solve the problem."</p><p>Most bullies go unpunished, so let's not assert punishment is ineffective when it is generally absent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" People have always tried to end bullying by punishing the bullies , but it has never been an effective way to solve the problem .
" Most bullies go unpunished , so let 's not assert punishment is ineffective when it is generally absent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"People have always tried to end bullying by punishing the bullies, but it has never been an effective way to solve the problem.
"Most bullies go unpunished, so let's not assert punishment is ineffective when it is generally absent.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31006004</id>
	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265134020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> I was never really bullied because i fought back early on, plus i'm a beefy guy to begin with so inspite of me being into computers no one bothered me.</p> </div><p>That's great for you, but a lot of times it is the kids who are smaller and less athletic who are the ones who get picked on. I would bet that the serious bullies left you alone to go pick on someone who couldn't fight back effectively.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I was never really bullied because i fought back early on , plus i 'm a beefy guy to begin with so inspite of me being into computers no one bothered me .
That 's great for you , but a lot of times it is the kids who are smaller and less athletic who are the ones who get picked on .
I would bet that the serious bullies left you alone to go pick on someone who could n't fight back effectively .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I was never really bullied because i fought back early on, plus i'm a beefy guy to begin with so inspite of me being into computers no one bothered me.
That's great for you, but a lot of times it is the kids who are smaller and less athletic who are the ones who get picked on.
I would bet that the serious bullies left you alone to go pick on someone who couldn't fight back effectively.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005092</id>
	<title>Re:Let's blame the victim!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265127960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In a world of millions of bullies and millions of victims, curing the bullies one at a time does not help the victims.  However, curing the victims one at a time at least helps the cured victims.<br> <br>

The article's advice would have been good for my 3rd grade school administrator to hear - I was all of 8 years old and when the entire male population of 3rd grade decided to go gang-banger on me as a group, his advice was "well, aren't you just being a crybaby?"  Yeah, that helps an 8 year old a hell of a lot - should have whacked him on the back of the head with a baseball bat to see if he's just a crybaby too.  (context: private school (and before you take that out on me, remember, 8 years old, not my call) the other kids were "paying customers," I was in on employee discount.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>In a world of millions of bullies and millions of victims , curing the bullies one at a time does not help the victims .
However , curing the victims one at a time at least helps the cured victims .
The article 's advice would have been good for my 3rd grade school administrator to hear - I was all of 8 years old and when the entire male population of 3rd grade decided to go gang-banger on me as a group , his advice was " well , are n't you just being a crybaby ?
" Yeah , that helps an 8 year old a hell of a lot - should have whacked him on the back of the head with a baseball bat to see if he 's just a crybaby too .
( context : private school ( and before you take that out on me , remember , 8 years old , not my call ) the other kids were " paying customers , " I was in on employee discount .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a world of millions of bullies and millions of victims, curing the bullies one at a time does not help the victims.
However, curing the victims one at a time at least helps the cured victims.
The article's advice would have been good for my 3rd grade school administrator to hear - I was all of 8 years old and when the entire male population of 3rd grade decided to go gang-banger on me as a group, his advice was "well, aren't you just being a crybaby?
"  Yeah, that helps an 8 year old a hell of a lot - should have whacked him on the back of the head with a baseball bat to see if he's just a crybaby too.
(context: private school (and before you take that out on me, remember, 8 years old, not my call) the other kids were "paying customers," I was in on employee discount.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005872</id>
	<title>Re:The Comments are Really Interesting</title>
	<author>Nemyst</author>
	<datestamp>1265133060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>From my own personal experience, those who didn't get bullied were those who stood aside all the time, never letting themselves be known. You either were a bully, a bullied, or part of the "hivemind" where you felt like individuality was non-existent. I'm not sure the solution really is to learn such "social skills" so you can become like the other kids.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From my own personal experience , those who did n't get bullied were those who stood aside all the time , never letting themselves be known .
You either were a bully , a bullied , or part of the " hivemind " where you felt like individuality was non-existent .
I 'm not sure the solution really is to learn such " social skills " so you can become like the other kids .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From my own personal experience, those who didn't get bullied were those who stood aside all the time, never letting themselves be known.
You either were a bully, a bullied, or part of the "hivemind" where you felt like individuality was non-existent.
I'm not sure the solution really is to learn such "social skills" so you can become like the other kids.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004830</id>
	<title>WFT!</title>
	<author>nailBnny</author>
	<datestamp>1265126640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh, I see now, it was <i>my</i> fault all along.  Jackasses....</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , I see now , it was my fault all along .
Jackasses... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, I see now, it was my fault all along.
Jackasses....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004528</id>
	<title>I see</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265124720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&lt;sarcasm&gt;Who would have guessed?  Those poor bullies are really the victims of the kids they beat up, because the kids being beaten up are practically asking the bullies to commit violence against them.  I mean, obviously, if anybody doesn't want to conform to social norms or has interests other than those that the popular kids have, they are abnormal and hence need to be cured!&lt;/sarcasm&gt;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who would have guessed ?
Those poor bullies are really the victims of the kids they beat up , because the kids being beaten up are practically asking the bullies to commit violence against them .
I mean , obviously , if anybody does n't want to conform to social norms or has interests other than those that the popular kids have , they are abnormal and hence need to be cured !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who would have guessed?
Those poor bullies are really the victims of the kids they beat up, because the kids being beaten up are practically asking the bullies to commit violence against them.
I mean, obviously, if anybody doesn't want to conform to social norms or has interests other than those that the popular kids have, they are abnormal and hence need to be cured!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005896</id>
	<title>Re:Asking for it</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1265133240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But you still need to teach the battered wife not to go back to her husband. Many do, in spite of everything. It's the same thing here. Sometimes, blaming the victim is appropriate to a certain degree. The fact that you think differently is a sad statement about society... nobody can ever be wrong if they're losing or if they feel something, right? Almost all people who get bullied continue to be bullied because of choices they make in how to respond to bullies and how to interact with other people. It's VERY hard to be a victim of bullying if you don't allow it. This is about teaching kids (and even some adults) on how to not allow it. It's not hard, it's just that some people like you were just never taught these things and never learned them for themselves.</p><p>Life is not sunshine and rainbows except for people who shit on you. You have to create your own place in the world, otherwise other people will create it for you. That is not their fault. It is yours.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But you still need to teach the battered wife not to go back to her husband .
Many do , in spite of everything .
It 's the same thing here .
Sometimes , blaming the victim is appropriate to a certain degree .
The fact that you think differently is a sad statement about society... nobody can ever be wrong if they 're losing or if they feel something , right ?
Almost all people who get bullied continue to be bullied because of choices they make in how to respond to bullies and how to interact with other people .
It 's VERY hard to be a victim of bullying if you do n't allow it .
This is about teaching kids ( and even some adults ) on how to not allow it .
It 's not hard , it 's just that some people like you were just never taught these things and never learned them for themselves.Life is not sunshine and rainbows except for people who shit on you .
You have to create your own place in the world , otherwise other people will create it for you .
That is not their fault .
It is yours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But you still need to teach the battered wife not to go back to her husband.
Many do, in spite of everything.
It's the same thing here.
Sometimes, blaming the victim is appropriate to a certain degree.
The fact that you think differently is a sad statement about society... nobody can ever be wrong if they're losing or if they feel something, right?
Almost all people who get bullied continue to be bullied because of choices they make in how to respond to bullies and how to interact with other people.
It's VERY hard to be a victim of bullying if you don't allow it.
This is about teaching kids (and even some adults) on how to not allow it.
It's not hard, it's just that some people like you were just never taught these things and never learned them for themselves.Life is not sunshine and rainbows except for people who shit on you.
You have to create your own place in the world, otherwise other people will create it for you.
That is not their fault.
It is yours.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>iphinome</author>
	<datestamp>1264930440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>hose who cling to the untrue doctrine that violence never settles anything would be advised to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and of the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Nations and peoples who forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms.<p>


-Robert A. Heinlein</p><p>

Its fair use, sue me if you want copyright demons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>hose who cling to the untrue doctrine that violence never settles anything would be advised to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and of the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it .
The ghost of Hitler could referee , and the jury might well be the Dodo , the Great Auk , and the Passenger Pigeon .
Violence , naked force , has settled more issues in history than has any other factor , and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst .
Nations and peoples who forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms .
-Robert A. Heinlein Its fair use , sue me if you want copyright demons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hose who cling to the untrue doctrine that violence never settles anything would be advised to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and of the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it.
The ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon.
Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst.
Nations and peoples who forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms.
-Robert A. Heinlein

Its fair use, sue me if you want copyright demons.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31006180</id>
	<title>Re:The Comments are Really Interesting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265135520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><i>People have always tried to end bullying by punishing the bullies, but it has never been an effective way to solve the problem.</i> </p><p>This reminds me of G. K. Chesterton's words -- "Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried."</p><p>People in authority are afraaid to meaningfully confront bullies. They're cowed by the parents (and coaches) of bullies who defend the behavior by asserting "that's the way the world works". The bully suffers no real consequences. Instead, the victim is made to feel even more inadequate.</p><p>If the ones in authority just told the bully, "Get out here behind the woodshed and I'll show your sorry ass what you're inflicting on others. And I'll show you repeatedly until the lesson is driven home", the bully would eventually learn a few social graces.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People have always tried to end bullying by punishing the bullies , but it has never been an effective way to solve the problem .
This reminds me of G. K. Chesterton 's words -- " Christianity has not been tried and found wanting ; it has been found difficult and not tried .
" People in authority are afraaid to meaningfully confront bullies .
They 're cowed by the parents ( and coaches ) of bullies who defend the behavior by asserting " that 's the way the world works " .
The bully suffers no real consequences .
Instead , the victim is made to feel even more inadequate.If the ones in authority just told the bully , " Get out here behind the woodshed and I 'll show your sorry ass what you 're inflicting on others .
And I 'll show you repeatedly until the lesson is driven home " , the bully would eventually learn a few social graces .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People have always tried to end bullying by punishing the bullies, but it has never been an effective way to solve the problem.
This reminds me of G. K. Chesterton's words -- "Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried.
"People in authority are afraaid to meaningfully confront bullies.
They're cowed by the parents (and coaches) of bullies who defend the behavior by asserting "that's the way the world works".
The bully suffers no real consequences.
Instead, the victim is made to feel even more inadequate.If the ones in authority just told the bully, "Get out here behind the woodshed and I'll show your sorry ass what you're inflicting on others.
And I'll show you repeatedly until the lesson is driven home", the bully would eventually learn a few social graces.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>badkarmadayaccount</author>
	<datestamp>1265657700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd give 'em a gun. Much more effective. Not with bullets that kill, just the sort that are really painful.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd give 'em a gun .
Much more effective .
Not with bullets that kill , just the sort that are really painful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd give 'em a gun.
Much more effective.
Not with bullets that kill, just the sort that are really painful.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31013832</id>
	<title>It's all about attitude</title>
	<author>thethibs</author>
	<datestamp>1264970280000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>It's all about attitude--and that has to be learned.</p><p>Watch dogs; it's not the big dogs that win, it's the dogs with a big attitude.</p><p>When my kids were still kids, my son came in the house one day complaining that one of the other kids had pushed him off his bike and taken it away. I asked, "is he bigger than you?" When he said, "much bigger", I told him to find a stick and hit the kid with it until he got his bike back. Yah--I'm a really bad parent.</p><p>A little while later he came back on his bike and put a baseball bat back where it belonged. I asked him if he'd hit the other kid. He said, "Nah--as soon as he saw me he left my bike and ran away."</p><p>That by itself would be a good story, but the icing on the cake is a few minutes later when an irate father and his bawling eight-year-old appear at my door. Apparently my kid beat up his kid and he wants an apology. So I call my kid to the door. The father takes one look at my four-year-old, grabs his kid by the ear, apologises, and leaves.</p><p>Attitude</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's all about attitude--and that has to be learned.Watch dogs ; it 's not the big dogs that win , it 's the dogs with a big attitude.When my kids were still kids , my son came in the house one day complaining that one of the other kids had pushed him off his bike and taken it away .
I asked , " is he bigger than you ?
" When he said , " much bigger " , I told him to find a stick and hit the kid with it until he got his bike back .
Yah--I 'm a really bad parent.A little while later he came back on his bike and put a baseball bat back where it belonged .
I asked him if he 'd hit the other kid .
He said , " Nah--as soon as he saw me he left my bike and ran away .
" That by itself would be a good story , but the icing on the cake is a few minutes later when an irate father and his bawling eight-year-old appear at my door .
Apparently my kid beat up his kid and he wants an apology .
So I call my kid to the door .
The father takes one look at my four-year-old , grabs his kid by the ear , apologises , and leaves.Attitude</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's all about attitude--and that has to be learned.Watch dogs; it's not the big dogs that win, it's the dogs with a big attitude.When my kids were still kids, my son came in the house one day complaining that one of the other kids had pushed him off his bike and taken it away.
I asked, "is he bigger than you?
" When he said, "much bigger", I told him to find a stick and hit the kid with it until he got his bike back.
Yah--I'm a really bad parent.A little while later he came back on his bike and put a baseball bat back where it belonged.
I asked him if he'd hit the other kid.
He said, "Nah--as soon as he saw me he left my bike and ran away.
"That by itself would be a good story, but the icing on the cake is a few minutes later when an irate father and his bawling eight-year-old appear at my door.
Apparently my kid beat up his kid and he wants an apology.
So I call my kid to the door.
The father takes one look at my four-year-old, grabs his kid by the ear, apologises, and leaves.Attitude</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31017316</id>
	<title>Re:Let's blame the victim!</title>
	<author>init100</author>
	<datestamp>1264944900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>But still, what you are in essence doing is to tell your kid that it's his fault, and that he needs to change for the bullying to stop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But still , what you are in essence doing is to tell your kid that it 's his fault , and that he needs to change for the bullying to stop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But still, what you are in essence doing is to tell your kid that it's his fault, and that he needs to change for the bullying to stop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005848</id>
	<title>Coaching for marginally autistic kids may help</title>
	<author>beachdog</author>
	<datestamp>1265132940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The original article has a blast of articulate disagreement in the comments.</p><p>The article has an out of fashion viewpoint that some social coaching might help some kids avoid being bullied.</p><p>The much more current view being implemented in American public schools is:  no-bullying in school settings.</p><p>I work with limited intellectual functioning kids (as an aide, not an expert). Some of these kids really do benefit from social coaching. To cue him in to how to act, he had "social stories" that he read to remind him how to behave in public. The coaching worked well enough for him to avoid being kicked out of school.</p><p>Looking beyond the linked article, I don't think we can tell if the original research study was misquoted or over simplified.</p><p>The "bullying problem" is a subset of a really interesting problem: How to help young adults and the group activities they engage in stay as sane and constructive social activities. How do we teach the young people being drafted in to the two Mexican gangs who attend the high school campus where I work to get along without fighting and seriously injuring each other?</p><p>This is another instance of meanness to others that appears in bullying. If we could develop communication and teaching to bring out kindness and tolerance in bullies and gangs then we could also have a starting point for redirecting other destructive social groups like Al Quaida.</p><p>On the teaching problem, a really interesting development I just heard about (on NPR) is "Terror Theory" which seems to cast some light on why groups of people become receptive to authoritarian control. Elsewhere, I am reading "The Unconquerable World" by Johnathan Schell, looking for another angle on the social peace teaching problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The original article has a blast of articulate disagreement in the comments.The article has an out of fashion viewpoint that some social coaching might help some kids avoid being bullied.The much more current view being implemented in American public schools is : no-bullying in school settings.I work with limited intellectual functioning kids ( as an aide , not an expert ) .
Some of these kids really do benefit from social coaching .
To cue him in to how to act , he had " social stories " that he read to remind him how to behave in public .
The coaching worked well enough for him to avoid being kicked out of school.Looking beyond the linked article , I do n't think we can tell if the original research study was misquoted or over simplified.The " bullying problem " is a subset of a really interesting problem : How to help young adults and the group activities they engage in stay as sane and constructive social activities .
How do we teach the young people being drafted in to the two Mexican gangs who attend the high school campus where I work to get along without fighting and seriously injuring each other ? This is another instance of meanness to others that appears in bullying .
If we could develop communication and teaching to bring out kindness and tolerance in bullies and gangs then we could also have a starting point for redirecting other destructive social groups like Al Quaida.On the teaching problem , a really interesting development I just heard about ( on NPR ) is " Terror Theory " which seems to cast some light on why groups of people become receptive to authoritarian control .
Elsewhere , I am reading " The Unconquerable World " by Johnathan Schell , looking for another angle on the social peace teaching problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The original article has a blast of articulate disagreement in the comments.The article has an out of fashion viewpoint that some social coaching might help some kids avoid being bullied.The much more current view being implemented in American public schools is:  no-bullying in school settings.I work with limited intellectual functioning kids (as an aide, not an expert).
Some of these kids really do benefit from social coaching.
To cue him in to how to act, he had "social stories" that he read to remind him how to behave in public.
The coaching worked well enough for him to avoid being kicked out of school.Looking beyond the linked article, I don't think we can tell if the original research study was misquoted or over simplified.The "bullying problem" is a subset of a really interesting problem: How to help young adults and the group activities they engage in stay as sane and constructive social activities.
How do we teach the young people being drafted in to the two Mexican gangs who attend the high school campus where I work to get along without fighting and seriously injuring each other?This is another instance of meanness to others that appears in bullying.
If we could develop communication and teaching to bring out kindness and tolerance in bullies and gangs then we could also have a starting point for redirecting other destructive social groups like Al Quaida.On the teaching problem, a really interesting development I just heard about (on NPR) is "Terror Theory" which seems to cast some light on why groups of people become receptive to authoritarian control.
Elsewhere, I am reading "The Unconquerable World" by Johnathan Schell, looking for another angle on the social peace teaching problem.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004786</id>
	<title>Study bullies the bullied</title>
	<author>RichardDeVries</author>
	<datestamp>1265126340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are a lot of points to be debated regarding TFA and I've seen a lot of them mentioned above.</p><p>I'd like to add one, and it's mentioned in the title. The theory that kids who are less capable of reading non-verbal clues from their peers tend to be rejected more seems somewhat obvious. But the title seems to blame these same kids for being bullied! Being rejected and being bullied are very different things. Ignoring kids who act differently is perhaps not the most laudable thing to do, but it certainly isn't malicious. Bullying peers who don't seem to 'get it', however, seems to me to be a social problem of the bullies, not the bullied.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a lot of points to be debated regarding TFA and I 've seen a lot of them mentioned above.I 'd like to add one , and it 's mentioned in the title .
The theory that kids who are less capable of reading non-verbal clues from their peers tend to be rejected more seems somewhat obvious .
But the title seems to blame these same kids for being bullied !
Being rejected and being bullied are very different things .
Ignoring kids who act differently is perhaps not the most laudable thing to do , but it certainly is n't malicious .
Bullying peers who do n't seem to 'get it ' , however , seems to me to be a social problem of the bullies , not the bullied .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a lot of points to be debated regarding TFA and I've seen a lot of them mentioned above.I'd like to add one, and it's mentioned in the title.
The theory that kids who are less capable of reading non-verbal clues from their peers tend to be rejected more seems somewhat obvious.
But the title seems to blame these same kids for being bullied!
Being rejected and being bullied are very different things.
Ignoring kids who act differently is perhaps not the most laudable thing to do, but it certainly isn't malicious.
Bullying peers who don't seem to 'get it', however, seems to me to be a social problem of the bullies, not the bullied.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004318</id>
	<title>Context</title>
	<author>Chris Lawrence</author>
	<datestamp>1265123400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>
Interesting, but very the analysis lacks any cultural context.  Is this really the fault (or failing) of the victims, or a consequence of the values and morals of our society and culture?  The only way to answer that question is through a comparison to other cultures, past and present.  The report seems to accept certain social behaviours as given or natural when perhaps they are only specific to our culture.  I think more study is needed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting , but very the analysis lacks any cultural context .
Is this really the fault ( or failing ) of the victims , or a consequence of the values and morals of our society and culture ?
The only way to answer that question is through a comparison to other cultures , past and present .
The report seems to accept certain social behaviours as given or natural when perhaps they are only specific to our culture .
I think more study is needed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Interesting, but very the analysis lacks any cultural context.
Is this really the fault (or failing) of the victims, or a consequence of the values and morals of our society and culture?
The only way to answer that question is through a comparison to other cultures, past and present.
The report seems to accept certain social behaviours as given or natural when perhaps they are only specific to our culture.
I think more study is needed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004950</id>
	<title>Waldorf education</title>
	<author>adewolf</author>
	<datestamp>1265127240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The social skills is why my 9 year old daughter (adopted from China) goes to Waldorf. They stress face-to-face socialization, shunning computers, TV, movies, and radio until the children are 12 years. Of course the media cannot be avoided these days so we make sure to explain that TV,Movies,computer,radio is not real life and we have plenty of play dates with other children. I also like the fact that they let the children try to work out their differences themselves, instead of the teacher immediately intervening. I have noticed that children who come to Waldorf from the public schools sometimes have difficulty with social skills.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The social skills is why my 9 year old daughter ( adopted from China ) goes to Waldorf .
They stress face-to-face socialization , shunning computers , TV , movies , and radio until the children are 12 years .
Of course the media can not be avoided these days so we make sure to explain that TV,Movies,computer,radio is not real life and we have plenty of play dates with other children .
I also like the fact that they let the children try to work out their differences themselves , instead of the teacher immediately intervening .
I have noticed that children who come to Waldorf from the public schools sometimes have difficulty with social skills .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The social skills is why my 9 year old daughter (adopted from China) goes to Waldorf.
They stress face-to-face socialization, shunning computers, TV, movies, and radio until the children are 12 years.
Of course the media cannot be avoided these days so we make sure to explain that TV,Movies,computer,radio is not real life and we have plenty of play dates with other children.
I also like the fact that they let the children try to work out their differences themselves, instead of the teacher immediately intervening.
I have noticed that children who come to Waldorf from the public schools sometimes have difficulty with social skills.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004772</id>
	<title>Re:The Comments are Really Interesting</title>
	<author>alonsoac</author>
	<datestamp>1265126220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This article<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... goes to the heart of what can be done, which is teaching social skills.  The punishment system doesn't work.</p></div><p>That is fine but what some people are saying, and I agree, is that the ones with defective social skills are the bullies.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This article ... goes to the heart of what can be done , which is teaching social skills .
The punishment system does n't work.That is fine but what some people are saying , and I agree , is that the ones with defective social skills are the bullies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This article ... goes to the heart of what can be done, which is teaching social skills.
The punishment system doesn't work.That is fine but what some people are saying, and I agree, is that the ones with defective social skills are the bullies.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004804</id>
	<title>Re:Asking for it</title>
	<author>value\_added</author>
	<datestamp>1265126460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Just like Battered Wife Syndrome, bullying is something that, ultimately, is the fault of the aggressor. Appeasement is not the solution.</i></p><p>An awfully narrow view wrapped up in the politics of the day, I think.  My view is very different.  The way I see it, we're social animals.  And like all social animals, we attack what's different.</p><p>You don't need look any farther than your pet dog.  If he approaches a group of other dogs and they interpret his behaviour as non-standard (too nervous, too timid, too weak, too aggressive, too weird looking, etc.), he'll be attacked.  The severity of the attack can range from simple growling to nips to bites that draw blood, but the attack always subsides when the dog submits and the problem has been corrected, or the dog has left.</p><p>You can pretend the "we attack what's different" isn't true, reject it outright, or waffle in the middle while espousing your favourite philosophy, but at the end of the day, life goes on unapolegetically as it always has.  And while as individuals we may intermittently aspire or learn new and better ways of behaving (i.e., evolve), as a group we don't.</p><p>Besides, even if we could evolve or modify our behaviour, the problem would still be there.  Instead of being beaten with clubs for the colour of your skin or the style of your haircut, for example, you'll get subjected to something more subtle (and acceptable), like a verbal tirade for your choice politics.  Hell, light up a cigarette on a public street and see how the enlightened and well-mannered among the crowd behave toward you.  Sticks and stones, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just like Battered Wife Syndrome , bullying is something that , ultimately , is the fault of the aggressor .
Appeasement is not the solution.An awfully narrow view wrapped up in the politics of the day , I think .
My view is very different .
The way I see it , we 're social animals .
And like all social animals , we attack what 's different.You do n't need look any farther than your pet dog .
If he approaches a group of other dogs and they interpret his behaviour as non-standard ( too nervous , too timid , too weak , too aggressive , too weird looking , etc .
) , he 'll be attacked .
The severity of the attack can range from simple growling to nips to bites that draw blood , but the attack always subsides when the dog submits and the problem has been corrected , or the dog has left.You can pretend the " we attack what 's different " is n't true , reject it outright , or waffle in the middle while espousing your favourite philosophy , but at the end of the day , life goes on unapolegetically as it always has .
And while as individuals we may intermittently aspire or learn new and better ways of behaving ( i.e. , evolve ) , as a group we do n't.Besides , even if we could evolve or modify our behaviour , the problem would still be there .
Instead of being beaten with clubs for the colour of your skin or the style of your haircut , for example , you 'll get subjected to something more subtle ( and acceptable ) , like a verbal tirade for your choice politics .
Hell , light up a cigarette on a public street and see how the enlightened and well-mannered among the crowd behave toward you .
Sticks and stones , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just like Battered Wife Syndrome, bullying is something that, ultimately, is the fault of the aggressor.
Appeasement is not the solution.An awfully narrow view wrapped up in the politics of the day, I think.
My view is very different.
The way I see it, we're social animals.
And like all social animals, we attack what's different.You don't need look any farther than your pet dog.
If he approaches a group of other dogs and they interpret his behaviour as non-standard (too nervous, too timid, too weak, too aggressive, too weird looking, etc.
), he'll be attacked.
The severity of the attack can range from simple growling to nips to bites that draw blood, but the attack always subsides when the dog submits and the problem has been corrected, or the dog has left.You can pretend the "we attack what's different" isn't true, reject it outright, or waffle in the middle while espousing your favourite philosophy, but at the end of the day, life goes on unapolegetically as it always has.
And while as individuals we may intermittently aspire or learn new and better ways of behaving (i.e., evolve), as a group we don't.Besides, even if we could evolve or modify our behaviour, the problem would still be there.
Instead of being beaten with clubs for the colour of your skin or the style of your haircut, for example, you'll get subjected to something more subtle (and acceptable), like a verbal tirade for your choice politics.
Hell, light up a cigarette on a public street and see how the enlightened and well-mannered among the crowd behave toward you.
Sticks and stones, right?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005312</id>
	<title>I call B.S.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265129220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Hmmm,<br>Robin Nixon, are you a bully? The article she refers to research that is related to Clique Membership, a very different issue.<br>I would access that to come to the conclusion that she has, she must be trying to justify her own behaviors.</p><p>This is the article she is referencing, make your own conclusion:<br>http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a918378051</p><p>A bully is looking for someone to react to their bullying, don't give them the satisfactions, and remember that most bullies are scared and have been bullied themselves, usually by their own family.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmmm,Robin Nixon , are you a bully ?
The article she refers to research that is related to Clique Membership , a very different issue.I would access that to come to the conclusion that she has , she must be trying to justify her own behaviors.This is the article she is referencing , make your own conclusion : http : //www.informaworld.com/smpp/content ~ db = all ~ content = a918378051A bully is looking for someone to react to their bullying , do n't give them the satisfactions , and remember that most bullies are scared and have been bullied themselves , usually by their own family .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmmm,Robin Nixon, are you a bully?
The article she refers to research that is related to Clique Membership, a very different issue.I would access that to come to the conclusion that she has, she must be trying to justify her own behaviors.This is the article she is referencing, make your own conclusion:http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a918378051A bully is looking for someone to react to their bullying, don't give them the satisfactions, and remember that most bullies are scared and have been bullied themselves, usually by their own family.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004872</id>
	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>wizardforce</author>
	<datestamp>1265126820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Damn right.  It took a few years of being bullied by an entire group of bullies until one day I had enough of it.  One very strong punch was enough to dissuade them from ever attempting to bully me again.  One thing is for sure; when I have kids of my own, I'm teaching them how to defend themselves and if it takes knocking a bully out cold to get them to stop bullying then so be it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn right .
It took a few years of being bullied by an entire group of bullies until one day I had enough of it .
One very strong punch was enough to dissuade them from ever attempting to bully me again .
One thing is for sure ; when I have kids of my own , I 'm teaching them how to defend themselves and if it takes knocking a bully out cold to get them to stop bullying then so be it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn right.
It took a few years of being bullied by an entire group of bullies until one day I had enough of it.
One very strong punch was enough to dissuade them from ever attempting to bully me again.
One thing is for sure; when I have kids of my own, I'm teaching them how to defend themselves and if it takes knocking a bully out cold to get them to stop bullying then so be it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004282</id>
	<title>I could have told you that.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265123160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why are kids bullied and rejected?
</p><p>Because sometimes, other kids are dicks.  Next question?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why are kids bullied and rejected ?
Because sometimes , other kids are dicks .
Next question ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why are kids bullied and rejected?
Because sometimes, other kids are dicks.
Next question?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31006384</id>
	<title>Recently dxed with atypical autism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265137620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was recently diagnosed with atypical autism, meaning that I don't have all the symptoms necessary to fit in a clean category, but have enough symptoms to warrant a diagnosis.  The diagnosis explained quite a bit of my issues.  One thing I remember in grade school was that I never saw conflict coming.  That was my biggest issue.   I was extremely aloof, and never had a chance when kids decided to give me a hard time.  Given my natural tendency to space out, and enter a world of my own, it made me a tempting target for bullying.  Looking back on it, I can see what the bullies found so attractive.  I was like a big red button that demanded to be pushed.  I would get extremely stressed out by it, which I'm sure to them was funny.  Eventually, being taller than the rest of the kids, and naturally, weighing more than the majority of them, I learned to fight.  That helped a bit, it stopped the physical confrontations, and got people to give me space, but it never really "fixed" the underlying problem, that I never learned how to read and understand other people properly.  I learned to dish out pain.  But, I'm starting to realize that what they saw, and what I experienced, were worlds apart.  Along with problems in reading people, I also had issues in communicating just how I felt.  That doesn't give them a pass, but I don't think that they understood how far they were pushing it.  Certainly, the few times I snapped, they didn't see it coming, just like I never saw it coming when they would decide to give me a hard time.  I have etched in my mind, like a flashbulb went off, pictures of numerous bullies, and the shock on their face right before my fist landed on it.  To those who have never punched a tormenter in the face, it's a beautiful thing, even if you end up getting your ass kicked as a result.</p><p>I'm better now at relating with people, but still struggle with it.  The aloofness that I used to have tends to be replaced with anxiety, suspicion, and wariness at times.  I tend to see things coming better as a result (but obviously there are downsides).  I just have to be careful not go too far and read too many things into a situation, as I have a tendency to over analyze a bit too much.  The study seems to back up what I have experienced on a personal level for quite a bit of my life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was recently diagnosed with atypical autism , meaning that I do n't have all the symptoms necessary to fit in a clean category , but have enough symptoms to warrant a diagnosis .
The diagnosis explained quite a bit of my issues .
One thing I remember in grade school was that I never saw conflict coming .
That was my biggest issue .
I was extremely aloof , and never had a chance when kids decided to give me a hard time .
Given my natural tendency to space out , and enter a world of my own , it made me a tempting target for bullying .
Looking back on it , I can see what the bullies found so attractive .
I was like a big red button that demanded to be pushed .
I would get extremely stressed out by it , which I 'm sure to them was funny .
Eventually , being taller than the rest of the kids , and naturally , weighing more than the majority of them , I learned to fight .
That helped a bit , it stopped the physical confrontations , and got people to give me space , but it never really " fixed " the underlying problem , that I never learned how to read and understand other people properly .
I learned to dish out pain .
But , I 'm starting to realize that what they saw , and what I experienced , were worlds apart .
Along with problems in reading people , I also had issues in communicating just how I felt .
That does n't give them a pass , but I do n't think that they understood how far they were pushing it .
Certainly , the few times I snapped , they did n't see it coming , just like I never saw it coming when they would decide to give me a hard time .
I have etched in my mind , like a flashbulb went off , pictures of numerous bullies , and the shock on their face right before my fist landed on it .
To those who have never punched a tormenter in the face , it 's a beautiful thing , even if you end up getting your ass kicked as a result.I 'm better now at relating with people , but still struggle with it .
The aloofness that I used to have tends to be replaced with anxiety , suspicion , and wariness at times .
I tend to see things coming better as a result ( but obviously there are downsides ) .
I just have to be careful not go too far and read too many things into a situation , as I have a tendency to over analyze a bit too much .
The study seems to back up what I have experienced on a personal level for quite a bit of my life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was recently diagnosed with atypical autism, meaning that I don't have all the symptoms necessary to fit in a clean category, but have enough symptoms to warrant a diagnosis.
The diagnosis explained quite a bit of my issues.
One thing I remember in grade school was that I never saw conflict coming.
That was my biggest issue.
I was extremely aloof, and never had a chance when kids decided to give me a hard time.
Given my natural tendency to space out, and enter a world of my own, it made me a tempting target for bullying.
Looking back on it, I can see what the bullies found so attractive.
I was like a big red button that demanded to be pushed.
I would get extremely stressed out by it, which I'm sure to them was funny.
Eventually, being taller than the rest of the kids, and naturally, weighing more than the majority of them, I learned to fight.
That helped a bit, it stopped the physical confrontations, and got people to give me space, but it never really "fixed" the underlying problem, that I never learned how to read and understand other people properly.
I learned to dish out pain.
But, I'm starting to realize that what they saw, and what I experienced, were worlds apart.
Along with problems in reading people, I also had issues in communicating just how I felt.
That doesn't give them a pass, but I don't think that they understood how far they were pushing it.
Certainly, the few times I snapped, they didn't see it coming, just like I never saw it coming when they would decide to give me a hard time.
I have etched in my mind, like a flashbulb went off, pictures of numerous bullies, and the shock on their face right before my fist landed on it.
To those who have never punched a tormenter in the face, it's a beautiful thing, even if you end up getting your ass kicked as a result.I'm better now at relating with people, but still struggle with it.
The aloofness that I used to have tends to be replaced with anxiety, suspicion, and wariness at times.
I tend to see things coming better as a result (but obviously there are downsides).
I just have to be careful not go too far and read too many things into a situation, as I have a tendency to over analyze a bit too much.
The study seems to back up what I have experienced on a personal level for quite a bit of my life.</sentencetext>
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	<title>You mean being Autistic might be a factor? Really?</title>
	<author>catsidhe</author>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> The factors involve a child's inability to pick up on and respond to nonverbal cues from their pals.</p></div></blockquote><p>So... they've identified Asperger's as a factor in being bullied.</p><p>As an Aspie, may I say how wonderful it is that someone seems to have noticed.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The factors involve a child 's inability to pick up on and respond to nonverbal cues from their pals.So... they 've identified Asperger 's as a factor in being bullied.As an Aspie , may I say how wonderful it is that someone seems to have noticed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The factors involve a child's inability to pick up on and respond to nonverbal cues from their pals.So... they've identified Asperger's as a factor in being bullied.As an Aspie, may I say how wonderful it is that someone seems to have noticed.
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	<title>Re:The Comments are Really Interesting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265127540000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So many people are out there saying "no, it's not the victim's fault, don't blame the victim" but they miss the entire point.  People have always tried to end bullying by punishing the bullies, but it has never been an effective way to solve the problem.  If anything, it just makes the bully more likely to be abusive.  This article is discussing why some are bullied and rejected while others aren't.  And it goes to the heart of what can be done, which is teaching social skills.  The punishment system doesn't work.</p></div><p>This is a perfect example of the mindset of the sort of wishy-washy, touchy-feely, drum-circle, group-hug, can't-we-all-get-along and sing kumbaya losers who are responsible for the study.</p></div>
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<tokenext>So many people are out there saying " no , it 's not the victim 's fault , do n't blame the victim " but they miss the entire point .
People have always tried to end bullying by punishing the bullies , but it has never been an effective way to solve the problem .
If anything , it just makes the bully more likely to be abusive .
This article is discussing why some are bullied and rejected while others are n't .
And it goes to the heart of what can be done , which is teaching social skills .
The punishment system does n't work.This is a perfect example of the mindset of the sort of wishy-washy , touchy-feely , drum-circle , group-hug , ca n't-we-all-get-along and sing kumbaya losers who are responsible for the study .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So many people are out there saying "no, it's not the victim's fault, don't blame the victim" but they miss the entire point.
People have always tried to end bullying by punishing the bullies, but it has never been an effective way to solve the problem.
If anything, it just makes the bully more likely to be abusive.
This article is discussing why some are bullied and rejected while others aren't.
And it goes to the heart of what can be done, which is teaching social skills.
The punishment system doesn't work.This is a perfect example of the mindset of the sort of wishy-washy, touchy-feely, drum-circle, group-hug, can't-we-all-get-along and sing kumbaya losers who are responsible for the study.
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	<title>Re:Asking for it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265134740000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I saw a documentary once that looked at the body language of a guy that had been beaten in the street once.  Based on live stick figure models of his walking patterns, ie, showing basic posture and movement, he was identified as been "a relatively easy target" amongst other people - both males and females.</p><p>So, how you behave can affect the bully/muggers perception of your strength, and ability to defend yourself.  They would much rather pick on the easy target.</p><p>So whilst it may be the bully's "fault" that the victim gets beaten, doesn't meant that there aren't things that potential victims could have done to avoid it - or at least reduce the likelihood of it happening.</p><p>If you are getting bullied - rather than hope that the bully changes his behaviour - why would you not look at your own?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I saw a documentary once that looked at the body language of a guy that had been beaten in the street once .
Based on live stick figure models of his walking patterns , ie , showing basic posture and movement , he was identified as been " a relatively easy target " amongst other people - both males and females.So , how you behave can affect the bully/muggers perception of your strength , and ability to defend yourself .
They would much rather pick on the easy target.So whilst it may be the bully 's " fault " that the victim gets beaten , does n't meant that there are n't things that potential victims could have done to avoid it - or at least reduce the likelihood of it happening.If you are getting bullied - rather than hope that the bully changes his behaviour - why would you not look at your own ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw a documentary once that looked at the body language of a guy that had been beaten in the street once.
Based on live stick figure models of his walking patterns, ie, showing basic posture and movement, he was identified as been "a relatively easy target" amongst other people - both males and females.So, how you behave can affect the bully/muggers perception of your strength, and ability to defend yourself.
They would much rather pick on the easy target.So whilst it may be the bully's "fault" that the victim gets beaten, doesn't meant that there aren't things that potential victims could have done to avoid it - or at least reduce the likelihood of it happening.If you are getting bullied - rather than hope that the bully changes his behaviour - why would you not look at your own?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Asking for it</title>
	<author>serps</author>
	<datestamp>1265124180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Wow, that article really has a 'blame the victim' mentality, with the coda "and here's why".</p><p>The article even ends with the appeasement of "what can you change about the way you act to avoid being bullied"</p><p>Just like Battered Wife Syndrome, bullying is something that, ultimately, is the fault of the aggressor. Appeasement is not the solution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , that article really has a 'blame the victim ' mentality , with the coda " and here 's why " .The article even ends with the appeasement of " what can you change about the way you act to avoid being bullied " Just like Battered Wife Syndrome , bullying is something that , ultimately , is the fault of the aggressor .
Appeasement is not the solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, that article really has a 'blame the victim' mentality, with the coda "and here's why".The article even ends with the appeasement of "what can you change about the way you act to avoid being bullied"Just like Battered Wife Syndrome, bullying is something that, ultimately, is the fault of the aggressor.
Appeasement is not the solution.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Don't blame yourself</title>
	<author>peterofoz</author>
	<datestamp>1265129640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We've been down this road a couple of times with our kids being bullied at school.  In nearly all cases, I'd judge that the bully kids were the ones with the social problems. Here are a few case studies from 4th to 6th grade:</p><ul>
<li> Girl bully is only child with a single mom who is dating. Bio father was an abusive jerk as was at least one of mom's boyfriends. Mom is very sensible. We had parents and youth meet and talk it over for what is acceptable and what is not. Invited the girl over for a weekend and had a great time - now the girls are good friends.</li>
<li>Seriously obese 6th grade boy bully is only child with parents of middle eastern origin. Father is a real jerk so there's little hope for the kid. Stay clear of this one - he's trouble.</li>
<li>Only child boy bully with widowed mom gets aggressive when hanging out with my son and another friend. They're ok when its just 2 of them. Jealousy and competition for attention is driving this.  Mom is very nice, also lives with aunt and 3 female cats. Invited him camping with the boy scouts for some serious guy time - had great fun.</li>
</ul><p>Upshot is that the kids being bullied need to build self confidence and know which relationships can be fixed, and which ones can't. Bullies are typically insecure, jealous, or lonely and this is how they feel empowered.</p><p>We can see this in adults as well. Typically its the momma bear personality,though sometimes not. Discussion on their secret need to be dominated and disciplined is a topic for another forum. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've been down this road a couple of times with our kids being bullied at school .
In nearly all cases , I 'd judge that the bully kids were the ones with the social problems .
Here are a few case studies from 4th to 6th grade : Girl bully is only child with a single mom who is dating .
Bio father was an abusive jerk as was at least one of mom 's boyfriends .
Mom is very sensible .
We had parents and youth meet and talk it over for what is acceptable and what is not .
Invited the girl over for a weekend and had a great time - now the girls are good friends .
Seriously obese 6th grade boy bully is only child with parents of middle eastern origin .
Father is a real jerk so there 's little hope for the kid .
Stay clear of this one - he 's trouble .
Only child boy bully with widowed mom gets aggressive when hanging out with my son and another friend .
They 're ok when its just 2 of them .
Jealousy and competition for attention is driving this .
Mom is very nice , also lives with aunt and 3 female cats .
Invited him camping with the boy scouts for some serious guy time - had great fun .
Upshot is that the kids being bullied need to build self confidence and know which relationships can be fixed , and which ones ca n't .
Bullies are typically insecure , jealous , or lonely and this is how they feel empowered.We can see this in adults as well .
Typically its the momma bear personality,though sometimes not .
Discussion on their secret need to be dominated and disciplined is a topic for another forum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've been down this road a couple of times with our kids being bullied at school.
In nearly all cases, I'd judge that the bully kids were the ones with the social problems.
Here are a few case studies from 4th to 6th grade:
 Girl bully is only child with a single mom who is dating.
Bio father was an abusive jerk as was at least one of mom's boyfriends.
Mom is very sensible.
We had parents and youth meet and talk it over for what is acceptable and what is not.
Invited the girl over for a weekend and had a great time - now the girls are good friends.
Seriously obese 6th grade boy bully is only child with parents of middle eastern origin.
Father is a real jerk so there's little hope for the kid.
Stay clear of this one - he's trouble.
Only child boy bully with widowed mom gets aggressive when hanging out with my son and another friend.
They're ok when its just 2 of them.
Jealousy and competition for attention is driving this.
Mom is very nice, also lives with aunt and 3 female cats.
Invited him camping with the boy scouts for some serious guy time - had great fun.
Upshot is that the kids being bullied need to build self confidence and know which relationships can be fixed, and which ones can't.
Bullies are typically insecure, jealous, or lonely and this is how they feel empowered.We can see this in adults as well.
Typically its the momma bear personality,though sometimes not.
Discussion on their secret need to be dominated and disciplined is a topic for another forum. </sentencetext>
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	<title>simpsons already covered this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265138940000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>lisa solved this a long time ago</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>lisa solved this a long time ago</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lisa solved this a long time ago</sentencetext>
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	<title>The study i want to see:</title>
	<author>AP31R0N</author>
	<datestamp>1265295900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Take bullies of various kinds (muscle, pretty, wealth) and put them in groups with other bullies of the same type.  All the meat heads in one place would get to be bullied by someone even bigger and meaner.  Then you give them a choice: be bullied, or go back to the other school and behave themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Take bullies of various kinds ( muscle , pretty , wealth ) and put them in groups with other bullies of the same type .
All the meat heads in one place would get to be bullied by someone even bigger and meaner .
Then you give them a choice : be bullied , or go back to the other school and behave themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take bullies of various kinds (muscle, pretty, wealth) and put them in groups with other bullies of the same type.
All the meat heads in one place would get to be bullied by someone even bigger and meaner.
Then you give them a choice: be bullied, or go back to the other school and behave themselves.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31006656</id>
	<title>Cool down, nerds</title>
	<author>Corbets</author>
	<datestamp>1265140500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Wow, I see a whole lot of angry posts here - usually dropping he F bomb at the author, bullies in general, etc. I realize most of you were probably beat up a lot as a kid (I was occasionally as well, until about age 8 or 10 when I got to be a hell of a lot taller than anyone else), but ease up off the emotional overdose. The whole nerdrage thing isn't exactly contributing to the discussion here (insert comment about insta-flamebait modding from raging nerds here).</p><p>While I'm not a big fan of blame-the-victim, there's at least some truth to what he says. The people who I knew getting bullied, myself including, were often missing some essential social skills. Think of them as "street smarts" - you don't necessarily make eye contact with a small group of people in a dark alley in a big city, do you? Why do you keep your head down and walk away instead? Because you know at some level there are nonverbal signals that trigger aggressive responses (in this case, "hey, that $#\%#\% thinks he's bad! let's go set him straight - we're badder!"). So I can easily see that there are some nonverbal cues given off by nerds that trigger bully responses.</p><p>Of course, that lack of social competence could be a result of the fact that the kid was excluded from earlier social circles and never learned what he needed to learn, but it still seems likely to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , I see a whole lot of angry posts here - usually dropping he F bomb at the author , bullies in general , etc .
I realize most of you were probably beat up a lot as a kid ( I was occasionally as well , until about age 8 or 10 when I got to be a hell of a lot taller than anyone else ) , but ease up off the emotional overdose .
The whole nerdrage thing is n't exactly contributing to the discussion here ( insert comment about insta-flamebait modding from raging nerds here ) .While I 'm not a big fan of blame-the-victim , there 's at least some truth to what he says .
The people who I knew getting bullied , myself including , were often missing some essential social skills .
Think of them as " street smarts " - you do n't necessarily make eye contact with a small group of people in a dark alley in a big city , do you ?
Why do you keep your head down and walk away instead ?
Because you know at some level there are nonverbal signals that trigger aggressive responses ( in this case , " hey , that $ # \ % # \ % thinks he 's bad !
let 's go set him straight - we 're badder ! " ) .
So I can easily see that there are some nonverbal cues given off by nerds that trigger bully responses.Of course , that lack of social competence could be a result of the fact that the kid was excluded from earlier social circles and never learned what he needed to learn , but it still seems likely to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, I see a whole lot of angry posts here - usually dropping he F bomb at the author, bullies in general, etc.
I realize most of you were probably beat up a lot as a kid (I was occasionally as well, until about age 8 or 10 when I got to be a hell of a lot taller than anyone else), but ease up off the emotional overdose.
The whole nerdrage thing isn't exactly contributing to the discussion here (insert comment about insta-flamebait modding from raging nerds here).While I'm not a big fan of blame-the-victim, there's at least some truth to what he says.
The people who I knew getting bullied, myself including, were often missing some essential social skills.
Think of them as "street smarts" - you don't necessarily make eye contact with a small group of people in a dark alley in a big city, do you?
Why do you keep your head down and walk away instead?
Because you know at some level there are nonverbal signals that trigger aggressive responses (in this case, "hey, that $#\%#\% thinks he's bad!
let's go set him straight - we're badder!").
So I can easily see that there are some nonverbal cues given off by nerds that trigger bully responses.Of course, that lack of social competence could be a result of the fact that the kid was excluded from earlier social circles and never learned what he needed to learn, but it still seems likely to me.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265127000000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>the hearts of bullies must not be *truly* klingon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the hearts of bullies must not be * truly * klingon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the hearts of bullies must not be *truly* klingon.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Hmm...</title>
	<author>FShort</author>
	<datestamp>1265124600000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Nothing a little retaliatory violence cant correct.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing a little retaliatory violence cant correct .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing a little retaliatory violence cant correct.</sentencetext>
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	<title>I had to post this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265127360000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I've lived a strange life. I was bullied from a very, very young age at school. I was also bullied by my older brother and his friends. After time, at school I became the bully. After about a year I switched schools. Once again, I was bullied. Within a year, I switched homerooms and the bullying stopped (one class was full of completely malicious little shits and the other was full of people I would be friends with for a decade). A few years later, a kid that had bullied me in the past came back to the school. I bullied him continuously. Then, I moved to another state and school. I was bullied there for about two years. I went to another school and by then I had learned a few lessons. The bully in me was still there. But it had changed. Instead of bullying the weak, I enjoyed bullying the bullies. I treated the world as a hostile place. Everyone that wasn't a friend was an enemy. Every affront was an act of war, and my typical response was escalation. You push me into a locker? I pull a knife on you. You punch me? I slip on brass knuckles and return the favor. I got a reputation as a crazy bastard. Eventually I calmed down to where I am now. Rarely bullying others, and rarely resorting to violence. People say that I have an attitude (they can just sense it without me talking), and I believe this is largely why I am no longer "messed with." I carry a weapon everywhere (even to places with metal detectors; i have a specially designed plastic knife meant to bypass them) and I constantly assess threats.</p><p>I advise people to treat being bullied like war.</p><p>Escalate- Attack.<br>De Escalate- Let them do what they want and hope they stop.<br>Maintain the status quo- Only if you believe something will change on its own</p><p>If you're not a tough kid, I'd advise you to talk to some tough kids. At one point I had two kids who would do assaults for hire (they're in prison now). Either way, discreetly pay some rougher kids (arrange a half up front or some sort of protection) to protect you and to attack your enemies. Of course legally you can be accountable- but if you're smart, you can cover your tracks enough to create reasonable doubt ("I only wanted them to protect me") and prevent conviction if it somehow managed to go to trial (never happens). Basically, grow a pair of balls and go to war or hire mercenaries.</p><p>I remember in one of my college classes (name drop to let you know how old I am<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;) ), I heard an older woman (40s) constantly venting about her son's problem with a bully. Even after multiple "incidents," and several visits to court, this kid at her son's HS still was harassing him. He had shown up at their house and attacked her son. The typically inept police (not a slam at cops in general, but in my current state the cops are a joke. some states have higher standards.) did nothing after she attempted to file a police report. Basically, they system hasn't done shit except make it worse for her son. Could have gone much easier if she had gone down other paths such as:</p><p>Escalation: Paying someone to attack "the bully"<br>Escalation: Attacking the bully<br>De Escalation: Leaving town<br>Status Quo: Continue to be bullied</p><p>She chose-<br>Escalation: Putting the bully on trial</p><p>Worked out well, eh?</p><p>The system is terrible in most cases for justice. Either too harsh of sentences, or too light.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've lived a strange life .
I was bullied from a very , very young age at school .
I was also bullied by my older brother and his friends .
After time , at school I became the bully .
After about a year I switched schools .
Once again , I was bullied .
Within a year , I switched homerooms and the bullying stopped ( one class was full of completely malicious little shits and the other was full of people I would be friends with for a decade ) .
A few years later , a kid that had bullied me in the past came back to the school .
I bullied him continuously .
Then , I moved to another state and school .
I was bullied there for about two years .
I went to another school and by then I had learned a few lessons .
The bully in me was still there .
But it had changed .
Instead of bullying the weak , I enjoyed bullying the bullies .
I treated the world as a hostile place .
Everyone that was n't a friend was an enemy .
Every affront was an act of war , and my typical response was escalation .
You push me into a locker ?
I pull a knife on you .
You punch me ?
I slip on brass knuckles and return the favor .
I got a reputation as a crazy bastard .
Eventually I calmed down to where I am now .
Rarely bullying others , and rarely resorting to violence .
People say that I have an attitude ( they can just sense it without me talking ) , and I believe this is largely why I am no longer " messed with .
" I carry a weapon everywhere ( even to places with metal detectors ; i have a specially designed plastic knife meant to bypass them ) and I constantly assess threats.I advise people to treat being bullied like war.Escalate- Attack.De Escalate- Let them do what they want and hope they stop.Maintain the status quo- Only if you believe something will change on its ownIf you 're not a tough kid , I 'd advise you to talk to some tough kids .
At one point I had two kids who would do assaults for hire ( they 're in prison now ) .
Either way , discreetly pay some rougher kids ( arrange a half up front or some sort of protection ) to protect you and to attack your enemies .
Of course legally you can be accountable- but if you 're smart , you can cover your tracks enough to create reasonable doubt ( " I only wanted them to protect me " ) and prevent conviction if it somehow managed to go to trial ( never happens ) .
Basically , grow a pair of balls and go to war or hire mercenaries.I remember in one of my college classes ( name drop to let you know how old I am ; ) ) , I heard an older woman ( 40s ) constantly venting about her son 's problem with a bully .
Even after multiple " incidents , " and several visits to court , this kid at her son 's HS still was harassing him .
He had shown up at their house and attacked her son .
The typically inept police ( not a slam at cops in general , but in my current state the cops are a joke .
some states have higher standards .
) did nothing after she attempted to file a police report .
Basically , they system has n't done shit except make it worse for her son .
Could have gone much easier if she had gone down other paths such as : Escalation : Paying someone to attack " the bully " Escalation : Attacking the bullyDe Escalation : Leaving townStatus Quo : Continue to be bulliedShe chose-Escalation : Putting the bully on trialWorked out well , eh ? The system is terrible in most cases for justice .
Either too harsh of sentences , or too light .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've lived a strange life.
I was bullied from a very, very young age at school.
I was also bullied by my older brother and his friends.
After time, at school I became the bully.
After about a year I switched schools.
Once again, I was bullied.
Within a year, I switched homerooms and the bullying stopped (one class was full of completely malicious little shits and the other was full of people I would be friends with for a decade).
A few years later, a kid that had bullied me in the past came back to the school.
I bullied him continuously.
Then, I moved to another state and school.
I was bullied there for about two years.
I went to another school and by then I had learned a few lessons.
The bully in me was still there.
But it had changed.
Instead of bullying the weak, I enjoyed bullying the bullies.
I treated the world as a hostile place.
Everyone that wasn't a friend was an enemy.
Every affront was an act of war, and my typical response was escalation.
You push me into a locker?
I pull a knife on you.
You punch me?
I slip on brass knuckles and return the favor.
I got a reputation as a crazy bastard.
Eventually I calmed down to where I am now.
Rarely bullying others, and rarely resorting to violence.
People say that I have an attitude (they can just sense it without me talking), and I believe this is largely why I am no longer "messed with.
" I carry a weapon everywhere (even to places with metal detectors; i have a specially designed plastic knife meant to bypass them) and I constantly assess threats.I advise people to treat being bullied like war.Escalate- Attack.De Escalate- Let them do what they want and hope they stop.Maintain the status quo- Only if you believe something will change on its ownIf you're not a tough kid, I'd advise you to talk to some tough kids.
At one point I had two kids who would do assaults for hire (they're in prison now).
Either way, discreetly pay some rougher kids (arrange a half up front or some sort of protection) to protect you and to attack your enemies.
Of course legally you can be accountable- but if you're smart, you can cover your tracks enough to create reasonable doubt ("I only wanted them to protect me") and prevent conviction if it somehow managed to go to trial (never happens).
Basically, grow a pair of balls and go to war or hire mercenaries.I remember in one of my college classes (name drop to let you know how old I am ;) ), I heard an older woman (40s) constantly venting about her son's problem with a bully.
Even after multiple "incidents," and several visits to court, this kid at her son's HS still was harassing him.
He had shown up at their house and attacked her son.
The typically inept police (not a slam at cops in general, but in my current state the cops are a joke.
some states have higher standards.
) did nothing after she attempted to file a police report.
Basically, they system hasn't done shit except make it worse for her son.
Could have gone much easier if she had gone down other paths such as:Escalation: Paying someone to attack "the bully"Escalation: Attacking the bullyDe Escalation: Leaving townStatus Quo: Continue to be bulliedShe chose-Escalation: Putting the bully on trialWorked out well, eh?The system is terrible in most cases for justice.
Either too harsh of sentences, or too light.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005266</id>
	<title>meh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265128920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a child, I was beaten at home. I wasn't allowed any type of social interaction outside of normal school hours -- before I went to college, I never attended a party, stayed over anyone's house, or attended an extracurricular activity. I was also under sever threat if I ever got a detention, so I was an involuntary pacifist.</p><p>I can say this; there is a segment of kids who were just as monstrous as my parents. They had no consideration, and essentially tormented others.  I interact fine socially (both today, and then), but the bottom line in my mind is that certain kids will be complete asses, and the vast majority of the others will stand by and watch. I can also say quite definitively it wasn't my fault.</p><p>Several have apologized in recent years (15 years later). In general, though -- if they are dicks as kids, they are dicks as adults.  The worse part is several of them are now teachers and coaches.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a child , I was beaten at home .
I was n't allowed any type of social interaction outside of normal school hours -- before I went to college , I never attended a party , stayed over anyone 's house , or attended an extracurricular activity .
I was also under sever threat if I ever got a detention , so I was an involuntary pacifist.I can say this ; there is a segment of kids who were just as monstrous as my parents .
They had no consideration , and essentially tormented others .
I interact fine socially ( both today , and then ) , but the bottom line in my mind is that certain kids will be complete asses , and the vast majority of the others will stand by and watch .
I can also say quite definitively it was n't my fault.Several have apologized in recent years ( 15 years later ) .
In general , though -- if they are dicks as kids , they are dicks as adults .
The worse part is several of them are now teachers and coaches .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a child, I was beaten at home.
I wasn't allowed any type of social interaction outside of normal school hours -- before I went to college, I never attended a party, stayed over anyone's house, or attended an extracurricular activity.
I was also under sever threat if I ever got a detention, so I was an involuntary pacifist.I can say this; there is a segment of kids who were just as monstrous as my parents.
They had no consideration, and essentially tormented others.
I interact fine socially (both today, and then), but the bottom line in my mind is that certain kids will be complete asses, and the vast majority of the others will stand by and watch.
I can also say quite definitively it wasn't my fault.Several have apologized in recent years (15 years later).
In general, though -- if they are dicks as kids, they are dicks as adults.
The worse part is several of them are now teachers and coaches.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005252</id>
	<title>Re:Let's blame the victim!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265128860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It may indeed be the bullies fault, but there is the question of how the bully chooses his victims, or why certain people are bullied and others aren't. This article is not trying to blame the victim for being bullied, merely trying to figure out how the bully chooses his victims, and how people can avoid being the victims.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It may indeed be the bullies fault , but there is the question of how the bully chooses his victims , or why certain people are bullied and others are n't .
This article is not trying to blame the victim for being bullied , merely trying to figure out how the bully chooses his victims , and how people can avoid being the victims .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It may indeed be the bullies fault, but there is the question of how the bully chooses his victims, or why certain people are bullied and others aren't.
This article is not trying to blame the victim for being bullied, merely trying to figure out how the bully chooses his victims, and how people can avoid being the victims.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004746</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31047582</id>
	<title>Re:Let's blame the victim!</title>
	<author>tabrnaker</author>
	<datestamp>1265447760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A hammer is of really no use if you don't have nails.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A hammer is of really no use if you do n't have nails .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A hammer is of really no use if you don't have nails.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31006666</id>
	<title>Bullies rule the world</title>
	<author>FoolishOwl</author>
	<datestamp>1265140560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I was a child, I suffered a great deal from bullying, particularly when I went to an elementary school in a wealthy suburb. On the few occasions when school staff intervened, they would ask what it was I was doing that provoked attacks. As I recall, it was the poorer kids, and the kids who were "ethnic" or non-white, who were the principal targets of bullying.</p><p>One day, one of our teachers explained about Mutually Assured Destruction, and I realized that bullies ruled the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was a child , I suffered a great deal from bullying , particularly when I went to an elementary school in a wealthy suburb .
On the few occasions when school staff intervened , they would ask what it was I was doing that provoked attacks .
As I recall , it was the poorer kids , and the kids who were " ethnic " or non-white , who were the principal targets of bullying.One day , one of our teachers explained about Mutually Assured Destruction , and I realized that bullies ruled the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was a child, I suffered a great deal from bullying, particularly when I went to an elementary school in a wealthy suburb.
On the few occasions when school staff intervened, they would ask what it was I was doing that provoked attacks.
As I recall, it was the poorer kids, and the kids who were "ethnic" or non-white, who were the principal targets of bullying.One day, one of our teachers explained about Mutually Assured Destruction, and I realized that bullies ruled the world.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005170</id>
	<title>Blame the victim</title>
	<author>Count\_Froggy</author>
	<datestamp>1265128320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Blame the victim.<br>
And people wonder why the 'social sciences' are so despised.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Blame the victim .
And people wonder why the 'social sciences ' are so despised .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Blame the victim.
And people wonder why the 'social sciences' are so despised.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004332</id>
	<title>From the article: a summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265123580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought I read that the title of the article is about why kids gets bullied but all I can gleam from its content is what bullied kids do wrong to get bullied.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought I read that the title of the article is about why kids gets bullied but all I can gleam from its content is what bullied kids do wrong to get bullied .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought I read that the title of the article is about why kids gets bullied but all I can gleam from its content is what bullied kids do wrong to get bullied.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005102</id>
	<title>i know why...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265127960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because they're doing studies instead of playing kickball</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because they 're doing studies instead of playing kickball</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because they're doing studies instead of playing kickball</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31013650</id>
	<title>Bullies are leaders</title>
	<author>AlejoHausner</author>
	<datestamp>1264969380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, one reason bullies get away with their violence is that other people ADMIRE them.  Think back to a situation where one person was being singled out by a bully.  What did other people do?  They gathered in a circle to watch.  Why?  Because they feared and admired the bully.  They wished they had the bully's apparent courage.</p><p>Not to mention schadenfreude.  It's fun to watch someone suffer.  Humans often derive pleasure from watching the pain of others.  Morality often gets in the way, but when we really want to, we can overcome morality and get into a pleasurable trance and indulge our desires.</p><p>This admiration has been shown to extend to figures of authority.  Whatever you may have heard to the contrary, everyone, including teachers in school, admires apparent strength.  It's a natural reaction.</p><p>The only reason teachers might step in and intervene on the victim's behalf is because a pang of conscience, instilled on them at some training session, comes up.  Then the teacher screws up the courage to call on their own authority and "do the right thing."  But it takes a deliberate effort: just like the other fans of the bully standing in a circle around the victim, the teacher has a natural admiration for the aggressor.</p><p>Alejo</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , one reason bullies get away with their violence is that other people ADMIRE them .
Think back to a situation where one person was being singled out by a bully .
What did other people do ?
They gathered in a circle to watch .
Why ? Because they feared and admired the bully .
They wished they had the bully 's apparent courage.Not to mention schadenfreude .
It 's fun to watch someone suffer .
Humans often derive pleasure from watching the pain of others .
Morality often gets in the way , but when we really want to , we can overcome morality and get into a pleasurable trance and indulge our desires.This admiration has been shown to extend to figures of authority .
Whatever you may have heard to the contrary , everyone , including teachers in school , admires apparent strength .
It 's a natural reaction.The only reason teachers might step in and intervene on the victim 's behalf is because a pang of conscience , instilled on them at some training session , comes up .
Then the teacher screws up the courage to call on their own authority and " do the right thing .
" But it takes a deliberate effort : just like the other fans of the bully standing in a circle around the victim , the teacher has a natural admiration for the aggressor.Alejo</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, one reason bullies get away with their violence is that other people ADMIRE them.
Think back to a situation where one person was being singled out by a bully.
What did other people do?
They gathered in a circle to watch.
Why?  Because they feared and admired the bully.
They wished they had the bully's apparent courage.Not to mention schadenfreude.
It's fun to watch someone suffer.
Humans often derive pleasure from watching the pain of others.
Morality often gets in the way, but when we really want to, we can overcome morality and get into a pleasurable trance and indulge our desires.This admiration has been shown to extend to figures of authority.
Whatever you may have heard to the contrary, everyone, including teachers in school, admires apparent strength.
It's a natural reaction.The only reason teachers might step in and intervene on the victim's behalf is because a pang of conscience, instilled on them at some training session, comes up.
Then the teacher screws up the courage to call on their own authority and "do the right thing.
"  But it takes a deliberate effort: just like the other fans of the bully standing in a circle around the victim, the teacher has a natural admiration for the aggressor.Alejo</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005194</id>
	<title>Re:The Comments are Really Interesting</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1265128440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, the bully often does NOT get punished, but if the victims get fed up and strike back THEY sure do!</p><p>A big part of the problem is actually that the victims actually do what teachers tell them they should and report the bullying. Nothing at all is done to the bully, and the kid then gets it twice as bad.</p><p>Perhaps the adults should either give better advice or start making sure their advice actually works as promised.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the bully often does NOT get punished , but if the victims get fed up and strike back THEY sure do ! A big part of the problem is actually that the victims actually do what teachers tell them they should and report the bullying .
Nothing at all is done to the bully , and the kid then gets it twice as bad.Perhaps the adults should either give better advice or start making sure their advice actually works as promised .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the bully often does NOT get punished, but if the victims get fed up and strike back THEY sure do!A big part of the problem is actually that the victims actually do what teachers tell them they should and report the bullying.
Nothing at all is done to the bully, and the kid then gets it twice as bad.Perhaps the adults should either give better advice or start making sure their advice actually works as promised.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005180</id>
	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>jhol13</author>
	<datestamp>1265128320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you really implying bullying can be overcome only with more violence?</p><p>There are people who cannot, or do not want to, fight. What your advice to them is? "Get a character" or some other bullshit? "Passive nonsense people"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... what an asshole you are!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you really implying bullying can be overcome only with more violence ? There are people who can not , or do not want to , fight .
What your advice to them is ?
" Get a character " or some other bullshit ?
" Passive nonsense people " ... what an asshole you are !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you really implying bullying can be overcome only with more violence?There are people who cannot, or do not want to, fight.
What your advice to them is?
"Get a character" or some other bullshit?
"Passive nonsense people" ... what an asshole you are!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004840</id>
	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265126700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Question is, how does any amount of size or willingness to fight back help when the bullying is verbal/social and you simply can't use force to reply (eg. a guy being verbally/socially bullied by girls, he isn't eloquent enough to fight back verbally, and never hits girls so force isn't an option either).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Question is , how does any amount of size or willingness to fight back help when the bullying is verbal/social and you simply ca n't use force to reply ( eg .
a guy being verbally/socially bullied by girls , he is n't eloquent enough to fight back verbally , and never hits girls so force is n't an option either ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Question is, how does any amount of size or willingness to fight back help when the bullying is verbal/social and you simply can't use force to reply (eg.
a guy being verbally/socially bullied by girls, he isn't eloquent enough to fight back verbally, and never hits girls so force isn't an option either).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004336</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005918</id>
	<title>Re:I see</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1265133480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I didn't conform to social norms. Yet I wasn't bullied, because I just didn't stand for that shit, and I took the time to learn how social relationships worked. You don't have to be like everyone else to understand everyone else. If you don't understand other people, you're setting yourself up to be an outcast. And then you bitch about it happening? Really? "I walked out on this windy cliff, and then the wind came up and blew me over! It's not my fault!" If you're gonna be fucking around on windy cliffs, learn to climb, grab some rope so you don't fall, and learn to protect yourself. It's nobody else's duty to do so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did n't conform to social norms .
Yet I was n't bullied , because I just did n't stand for that shit , and I took the time to learn how social relationships worked .
You do n't have to be like everyone else to understand everyone else .
If you do n't understand other people , you 're setting yourself up to be an outcast .
And then you bitch about it happening ?
Really ? " I walked out on this windy cliff , and then the wind came up and blew me over !
It 's not my fault !
" If you 're gon na be fucking around on windy cliffs , learn to climb , grab some rope so you do n't fall , and learn to protect yourself .
It 's nobody else 's duty to do so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I didn't conform to social norms.
Yet I wasn't bullied, because I just didn't stand for that shit, and I took the time to learn how social relationships worked.
You don't have to be like everyone else to understand everyone else.
If you don't understand other people, you're setting yourself up to be an outcast.
And then you bitch about it happening?
Really? "I walked out on this windy cliff, and then the wind came up and blew me over!
It's not my fault!
" If you're gonna be fucking around on windy cliffs, learn to climb, grab some rope so you don't fall, and learn to protect yourself.
It's nobody else's duty to do so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004688</id>
	<title>Except that it does.</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1265125620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>. The punishment system doesn't work.</i></p><p>When I was in 9th grade I got bullied a lot.  I have to admit, a lot of it was because I was a dick.  Our high schools overriding principal was that everyone should be socialized and honestly, I was just coming down with a depression that lasts to this day, didn't know how to deal with it, and I just wanted to get in there, do my work, and get out, and be left utterly alone.</p><p>Still, there were jokers always trying to get me.</p><p>There was this one guy who was always pushing me around and trying to take my lunch money and other stuff.  So, I bought a pretzel and stuffed it full of razor blades and gave it to him.  He got it, discovered that I tried to kill him, and reported me to the principal, saying that he was only playing around.  I said, well, I wasn't.  Needless to say, he could have kicked my ass but the whole thing was so weird to him that he never even spoke to me again.  Excellent.</p><p>Another time, some kid poured a bunch of stuff on my drawing paper in art class.  So, I dumped a bunch of soap into his eyes and burned him up.  He later jumped me in the bathroom and tried to flush my head, so I strangled him and bashed his head into the wall as hard as I could.  He never bothered me again. Excellent.</p><p>Finally, a lot of other people picked on me for a whole bunch of random reasons, so I got pissed off and set out to kill everyone in the entire high school.  I figured I would glue the doors shut with epoxy and then model rocket the place with a sort of a home brew napalm and burn everybody alive.  I got caught, and luckily this was pre-columbine so not much really happened and I was able to worm my way out of the whole thing, but you know what, word got around, I took some crap, but, really, nobody ever bothered me again.</p><p>Bottom line is, if someone is picking on you, if you fuck them up, they will probably not fuck with you again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.
The punishment system does n't work.When I was in 9th grade I got bullied a lot .
I have to admit , a lot of it was because I was a dick .
Our high schools overriding principal was that everyone should be socialized and honestly , I was just coming down with a depression that lasts to this day , did n't know how to deal with it , and I just wanted to get in there , do my work , and get out , and be left utterly alone.Still , there were jokers always trying to get me.There was this one guy who was always pushing me around and trying to take my lunch money and other stuff .
So , I bought a pretzel and stuffed it full of razor blades and gave it to him .
He got it , discovered that I tried to kill him , and reported me to the principal , saying that he was only playing around .
I said , well , I was n't .
Needless to say , he could have kicked my ass but the whole thing was so weird to him that he never even spoke to me again .
Excellent.Another time , some kid poured a bunch of stuff on my drawing paper in art class .
So , I dumped a bunch of soap into his eyes and burned him up .
He later jumped me in the bathroom and tried to flush my head , so I strangled him and bashed his head into the wall as hard as I could .
He never bothered me again .
Excellent.Finally , a lot of other people picked on me for a whole bunch of random reasons , so I got pissed off and set out to kill everyone in the entire high school .
I figured I would glue the doors shut with epoxy and then model rocket the place with a sort of a home brew napalm and burn everybody alive .
I got caught , and luckily this was pre-columbine so not much really happened and I was able to worm my way out of the whole thing , but you know what , word got around , I took some crap , but , really , nobody ever bothered me again.Bottom line is , if someone is picking on you , if you fuck them up , they will probably not fuck with you again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.
The punishment system doesn't work.When I was in 9th grade I got bullied a lot.
I have to admit, a lot of it was because I was a dick.
Our high schools overriding principal was that everyone should be socialized and honestly, I was just coming down with a depression that lasts to this day, didn't know how to deal with it, and I just wanted to get in there, do my work, and get out, and be left utterly alone.Still, there were jokers always trying to get me.There was this one guy who was always pushing me around and trying to take my lunch money and other stuff.
So, I bought a pretzel and stuffed it full of razor blades and gave it to him.
He got it, discovered that I tried to kill him, and reported me to the principal, saying that he was only playing around.
I said, well, I wasn't.
Needless to say, he could have kicked my ass but the whole thing was so weird to him that he never even spoke to me again.
Excellent.Another time, some kid poured a bunch of stuff on my drawing paper in art class.
So, I dumped a bunch of soap into his eyes and burned him up.
He later jumped me in the bathroom and tried to flush my head, so I strangled him and bashed his head into the wall as hard as I could.
He never bothered me again.
Excellent.Finally, a lot of other people picked on me for a whole bunch of random reasons, so I got pissed off and set out to kill everyone in the entire high school.
I figured I would glue the doors shut with epoxy and then model rocket the place with a sort of a home brew napalm and burn everybody alive.
I got caught, and luckily this was pre-columbine so not much really happened and I was able to worm my way out of the whole thing, but you know what, word got around, I took some crap, but, really, nobody ever bothered me again.Bottom line is, if someone is picking on you, if you fuck them up, they will probably not fuck with you again.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31006260</id>
	<title>So you got bullied...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265136420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>For all of you that responded by saying it's the bullies problem...</p><p>Of course it is. BUT there are plenty of kids that never get bullied.</p><p>It's a complex issue with a bunch of causative factors.</p><p>The only reason that all of you normally smart people begin thinking in black and white terms is because you have a boatful of emotions about this. Let me guess, you were bullied.</p><p>Take a step back and think for a moment, whose behavior can the victim control, the bullies or his own?</p><p>If I can teach a kid to act naturally in a way that others like him, and then the bully wants to be his friend not his enemy, I'll do that. It's not by being a passive person, its by being someone who genuinely sees the intrinsic worth of others and values others. Not some geek with low self esteem who needs to prove to everyone how darn smart he is.</p><p>If you have issues with yourself and your self esteem, if the answer to the question of "what makes you important and worthy" is answered by anything other than "nothing, I just am", you have a problem. That problem will spill over into the way you treat others. You will end up using them to feel good about yourself. This will piss them off. They will try to get you.</p><p>However if you feel good about yourself, and you feel that you're valuable just because you're a human being, you then will be able to treat others with the greatest true respect. They will pick up on that. They will love how it feels and they will WANT to be your friend.</p><p>Don't feel like garbage, don't act like a prick, and you might just find that things are different.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For all of you that responded by saying it 's the bullies problem...Of course it is .
BUT there are plenty of kids that never get bullied.It 's a complex issue with a bunch of causative factors.The only reason that all of you normally smart people begin thinking in black and white terms is because you have a boatful of emotions about this .
Let me guess , you were bullied.Take a step back and think for a moment , whose behavior can the victim control , the bullies or his own ? If I can teach a kid to act naturally in a way that others like him , and then the bully wants to be his friend not his enemy , I 'll do that .
It 's not by being a passive person , its by being someone who genuinely sees the intrinsic worth of others and values others .
Not some geek with low self esteem who needs to prove to everyone how darn smart he is.If you have issues with yourself and your self esteem , if the answer to the question of " what makes you important and worthy " is answered by anything other than " nothing , I just am " , you have a problem .
That problem will spill over into the way you treat others .
You will end up using them to feel good about yourself .
This will piss them off .
They will try to get you.However if you feel good about yourself , and you feel that you 're valuable just because you 're a human being , you then will be able to treat others with the greatest true respect .
They will pick up on that .
They will love how it feels and they will WANT to be your friend.Do n't feel like garbage , do n't act like a prick , and you might just find that things are different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For all of you that responded by saying it's the bullies problem...Of course it is.
BUT there are plenty of kids that never get bullied.It's a complex issue with a bunch of causative factors.The only reason that all of you normally smart people begin thinking in black and white terms is because you have a boatful of emotions about this.
Let me guess, you were bullied.Take a step back and think for a moment, whose behavior can the victim control, the bullies or his own?If I can teach a kid to act naturally in a way that others like him, and then the bully wants to be his friend not his enemy, I'll do that.
It's not by being a passive person, its by being someone who genuinely sees the intrinsic worth of others and values others.
Not some geek with low self esteem who needs to prove to everyone how darn smart he is.If you have issues with yourself and your self esteem, if the answer to the question of "what makes you important and worthy" is answered by anything other than "nothing, I just am", you have a problem.
That problem will spill over into the way you treat others.
You will end up using them to feel good about yourself.
This will piss them off.
They will try to get you.However if you feel good about yourself, and you feel that you're valuable just because you're a human being, you then will be able to treat others with the greatest true respect.
They will pick up on that.
They will love how it feels and they will WANT to be your friend.Don't feel like garbage, don't act like a prick, and you might just find that things are different.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004878</id>
	<title>Why all the blame the victims bullshit?</title>
	<author>Weezul</author>
	<datestamp>1265126820000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>It figures<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. would see this article as blaming the victims, but you are all dead wrong.  Children are animals.  Animals must be manipulated, not judged.</p><p>The article takes the easiest route to dealing with bullying, but training the bullied kids progress socially.  How many<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. posters have swore their kids would learn karate?  Same theory only more effective, and works with women not just men.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It figures / .
would see this article as blaming the victims , but you are all dead wrong .
Children are animals .
Animals must be manipulated , not judged.The article takes the easiest route to dealing with bullying , but training the bullied kids progress socially .
How many / .
posters have swore their kids would learn karate ?
Same theory only more effective , and works with women not just men .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It figures /.
would see this article as blaming the victims, but you are all dead wrong.
Children are animals.
Animals must be manipulated, not judged.The article takes the easiest route to dealing with bullying, but training the bullied kids progress socially.
How many /.
posters have swore their kids would learn karate?
Same theory only more effective, and works with women not just men.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004628</id>
	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>FShort</author>
	<datestamp>1265125200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Amen - similar story here. I came to realize early on that the "bully" act was mostly false bravado. The majority of them are really pussies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amen - similar story here .
I came to realize early on that the " bully " act was mostly false bravado .
The majority of them are really pussies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amen - similar story here.
I came to realize early on that the "bully" act was mostly false bravado.
The majority of them are really pussies.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005528</id>
	<title>Important distinction physical versus social bully</title>
	<author>voss</author>
	<datestamp>1265130540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A physical bully is a criminal, there is no social ineptness that justifies being physically battered.</p><p>The article deals how to help people deal with social bullying. Socially bullying is not a crime even though it could<br>be considered a form of harassment similar to sexual harassment in which case schools could be found civily liable<br>if they do not intervene actively to prevent it.</p><p>No the schools have never really taken on socially popular bullies. Schools only now are reacting because they are getting sued.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A physical bully is a criminal , there is no social ineptness that justifies being physically battered.The article deals how to help people deal with social bullying .
Socially bullying is not a crime even though it couldbe considered a form of harassment similar to sexual harassment in which case schools could be found civily liableif they do not intervene actively to prevent it.No the schools have never really taken on socially popular bullies .
Schools only now are reacting because they are getting sued .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A physical bully is a criminal, there is no social ineptness that justifies being physically battered.The article deals how to help people deal with social bullying.
Socially bullying is not a crime even though it couldbe considered a form of harassment similar to sexual harassment in which case schools could be found civily liableif they do not intervene actively to prevent it.No the schools have never really taken on socially popular bullies.
Schools only now are reacting because they are getting sued.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005046</id>
	<title>Re:not that it is bad that you stood up for yourse</title>
	<author>lawpoop</author>
	<datestamp>1265127720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Funny, I was just reading <a href="http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2009/05/sacred-justice-part-1/" title="singingtotheplants.com">this blog post</a> [singingtotheplants.com] entitled, "Sacred Justice":<p><div class="quote"><p>The punitive foundations of our culture, like most cultural foundations, are expressed in myth. In our case, the foundation myth is what theologian Walter Wink has called the myth of redemptive violence  -- believing that a harm can be made right by humiliating or physically harming the offender, that violence is a necessary and appropriate response, even that such violence is healing for the victim. It is normative in our society to seek vengeance for a harm done to us. Anyone brought up in our culture has seen thousands of hours of movies and television in which the schoolyard bully is finally beaten and humiliated by his victim, or the ruthless outlaw is shot dead by the gentle sheriff. The schoolyard victim and gentle sheriff are empowered and healed by this response, and often given a sexual reward for their violence. We are all constantly tempted to reenact this mythology.</p></div></div>
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<tokenext>Funny , I was just reading this blog post [ singingtotheplants.com ] entitled , " Sacred Justice " : The punitive foundations of our culture , like most cultural foundations , are expressed in myth .
In our case , the foundation myth is what theologian Walter Wink has called the myth of redemptive violence -- believing that a harm can be made right by humiliating or physically harming the offender , that violence is a necessary and appropriate response , even that such violence is healing for the victim .
It is normative in our society to seek vengeance for a harm done to us .
Anyone brought up in our culture has seen thousands of hours of movies and television in which the schoolyard bully is finally beaten and humiliated by his victim , or the ruthless outlaw is shot dead by the gentle sheriff .
The schoolyard victim and gentle sheriff are empowered and healed by this response , and often given a sexual reward for their violence .
We are all constantly tempted to reenact this mythology .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny, I was just reading this blog post [singingtotheplants.com] entitled, "Sacred Justice":The punitive foundations of our culture, like most cultural foundations, are expressed in myth.
In our case, the foundation myth is what theologian Walter Wink has called the myth of redemptive violence  -- believing that a harm can be made right by humiliating or physically harming the offender, that violence is a necessary and appropriate response, even that such violence is healing for the victim.
It is normative in our society to seek vengeance for a harm done to us.
Anyone brought up in our culture has seen thousands of hours of movies and television in which the schoolyard bully is finally beaten and humiliated by his victim, or the ruthless outlaw is shot dead by the gentle sheriff.
The schoolyard victim and gentle sheriff are empowered and healed by this response, and often given a sexual reward for their violence.
We are all constantly tempted to reenact this mythology.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31012616</id>
	<title>The code of Harry</title>
	<author>getclear</author>
	<datestamp>1264964520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>This just proves we should all be living by the Code of Harry, just like Dexter!</htmltext>
<tokenext>This just proves we should all be living by the Code of Harry , just like Dexter !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This just proves we should all be living by the Code of Harry, just like Dexter!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004888</id>
	<title>Re:Except that it does.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265126880000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Words to live by.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...in prison.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Words to live by .
...in prison .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Words to live by.
...in prison.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31008082</id>
	<title>Re:Let me translate</title>
	<author>Andtalath</author>
	<datestamp>1264940160000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Not what it says at all.
It says that there are reasons why the kids are bullied, here are some of the things which makes kids bullied (and it doesn't try to blame the superficial things like names or glasses, I've been bullied by persons with both of those, actually) and how they can avoid the,.

This is excellent since if parents read it they can understand why and try to break the cycle by learning the kid to interact normally.

Or, in another way.
A: Yes, the kids who are bullying him is the problem and the ones who are assholes.
B: Yes, it's his fault, but not due to a choice he makes but due to a lack of social skills which gets even less practiced since he's left out.

So, either you can try to beat down on  A, which doesn't actually help B adapt to groups, or you can empower B so that he can learn something which he will need throughout his life, to interact with people in a way that is beneficial to himself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not what it says at all .
It says that there are reasons why the kids are bullied , here are some of the things which makes kids bullied ( and it does n't try to blame the superficial things like names or glasses , I 've been bullied by persons with both of those , actually ) and how they can avoid the, .
This is excellent since if parents read it they can understand why and try to break the cycle by learning the kid to interact normally .
Or , in another way .
A : Yes , the kids who are bullying him is the problem and the ones who are assholes .
B : Yes , it 's his fault , but not due to a choice he makes but due to a lack of social skills which gets even less practiced since he 's left out .
So , either you can try to beat down on A , which does n't actually help B adapt to groups , or you can empower B so that he can learn something which he will need throughout his life , to interact with people in a way that is beneficial to himself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not what it says at all.
It says that there are reasons why the kids are bullied, here are some of the things which makes kids bullied (and it doesn't try to blame the superficial things like names or glasses, I've been bullied by persons with both of those, actually) and how they can avoid the,.
This is excellent since if parents read it they can understand why and try to break the cycle by learning the kid to interact normally.
Or, in another way.
A: Yes, the kids who are bullying him is the problem and the ones who are assholes.
B: Yes, it's his fault, but not due to a choice he makes but due to a lack of social skills which gets even less practiced since he's left out.
So, either you can try to beat down on  A, which doesn't actually help B adapt to groups, or you can empower B so that he can learn something which he will need throughout his life, to interact with people in a way that is beneficial to himself.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004974</id>
	<title>Re:Asking for it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265127300000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Being bullied is not just one individual targeting you, it's an individual targeting you and the rest of your peer group participating (at least passively). This means a relationship deficit between you and your entire peer group. This article at least explains why a kid might have such deficits, and what the consequences may be. It also focuses on what you can change: the child's behaviour (as opposed to the bully's).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Being bullied is not just one individual targeting you , it 's an individual targeting you and the rest of your peer group participating ( at least passively ) .
This means a relationship deficit between you and your entire peer group .
This article at least explains why a kid might have such deficits , and what the consequences may be .
It also focuses on what you can change : the child 's behaviour ( as opposed to the bully 's ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Being bullied is not just one individual targeting you, it's an individual targeting you and the rest of your peer group participating (at least passively).
This means a relationship deficit between you and your entire peer group.
This article at least explains why a kid might have such deficits, and what the consequences may be.
It also focuses on what you can change: the child's behaviour (as opposed to the bully's).</sentencetext>
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	<title>Meh</title>
	<author>AmonTheMetalhead</author>
	<datestamp>1264936560000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I always compared kids to packs of wild animals deciding on the picking order, and those that don't fit the pack get rejected, since they can't actually get rid of the unwanted kids, they pick on them until they go sit in a dark corner somewhere out of sight.<br>
<br>
Never under estimate the influences of our animal instincts</htmltext>
<tokenext>I always compared kids to packs of wild animals deciding on the picking order , and those that do n't fit the pack get rejected , since they ca n't actually get rid of the unwanted kids , they pick on them until they go sit in a dark corner somewhere out of sight .
Never under estimate the influences of our animal instincts</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always compared kids to packs of wild animals deciding on the picking order, and those that don't fit the pack get rejected, since they can't actually get rid of the unwanted kids, they pick on them until they go sit in a dark corner somewhere out of sight.
Never under estimate the influences of our animal instincts</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31023914</id>
	<title>Poor Article or Poor Summary</title>
	<author>gpronger</author>
	<datestamp>1265306820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I'd be a bit cautious here since the article we're discussing is from a pop press science website which has picked up a fairly technical psychology journal and summarized the article. There is no info on the guy writing the bit in "ScienceWorld" regarding whether he has the background to offer a summary on high-end psychology research.<br> <br>The actual article was titled:<br> <br>
"Concurrent Validity and Clinical Usefulness of Several Individually Administered Tests of Children's Social-Emotional Cognition" published in "Journal of Clinical Child &amp; Adolescent Psychology"<br> <br>
Which is in my mind a fair stretch from what was reported in "ScienceWorld".<br> <br>
I'd simply blame the interpretation of a technical article into something it wasn't and then sticking it on a website where it was picked up by a slew of others so we have a completely misrepresented article spread around the world three times over.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd be a bit cautious here since the article we 're discussing is from a pop press science website which has picked up a fairly technical psychology journal and summarized the article .
There is no info on the guy writing the bit in " ScienceWorld " regarding whether he has the background to offer a summary on high-end psychology research .
The actual article was titled : " Concurrent Validity and Clinical Usefulness of Several Individually Administered Tests of Children 's Social-Emotional Cognition " published in " Journal of Clinical Child &amp; Adolescent Psychology " Which is in my mind a fair stretch from what was reported in " ScienceWorld " .
I 'd simply blame the interpretation of a technical article into something it was n't and then sticking it on a website where it was picked up by a slew of others so we have a completely misrepresented article spread around the world three times over .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd be a bit cautious here since the article we're discussing is from a pop press science website which has picked up a fairly technical psychology journal and summarized the article.
There is no info on the guy writing the bit in "ScienceWorld" regarding whether he has the background to offer a summary on high-end psychology research.
The actual article was titled: 
"Concurrent Validity and Clinical Usefulness of Several Individually Administered Tests of Children's Social-Emotional Cognition" published in "Journal of Clinical Child &amp; Adolescent Psychology" 
Which is in my mind a fair stretch from what was reported in "ScienceWorld".
I'd simply blame the interpretation of a technical article into something it wasn't and then sticking it on a website where it was picked up by a slew of others so we have a completely misrepresented article spread around the world three times over.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005592</id>
	<title>long term consequences...</title>
	<author>nerdyalien</author>
	<datestamp>1265131200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>unfortunately, I don't have any solutions with me. But I can tell you some long term consequences based on my experience.</p><p>I was brought up in south-asia in a co-ed public school. Public schools are a mix of all the social classes and it is still a habit of 3rd world country men to look down each other on minor nuances.</p><p>I was a bully victim throughout my school years (and to a certain extent in my college years.. but more towards 'work-wise bullying'). Definitely I didn't have the physique to fight back. So I had to submit it to survive school years as changing schools is not the solution for everything. As a consequence, I never had a big circle of friends in school. And I try to forget most of my school years and ppl I met there.</p><p>Most of my school time, I spent on home work and other stuff (including reading, thinking stuff up) while rest are having merry time in the school yard. But nevertheless, I met handful of good guys (mostly nerds), who ended up being my long term friends/confidantes.</p><p>But I really got to know I'm having a serious issue, only after I entered to college. I spent 4 years there without attending a single dorm party, going to college prom or road trips. I just didn't fit into people. I had hard time understanding ppl and only time I understood them was.. when they are ganging up to bully me.</p><p>Same thing with romantic stuff. Its a shame, even educated in a co-ed school, I never went on a date in my entire life (and not to mention, no first time yet). Simply because, I don't know how to approach females and talk to them nor have the confidence. Back in school days, when I approached a girl, there are herds of ppl shouting/yelling nasty stuff.... and to avoid that harassment, I opt not to talk with girls.</p><p>Moreover, I have issues approaching strangers and talking with them. And I'm worst in terms of bargaining things and manipulating situation for my advantage. No matter how much I try to fit into social groups, I always get kicked out.</p><p>Even in my office, I tend to limit my communication to e-mails/IMs. Even thought other staffers having great non-work bonds.. I only have professional relationships.. that's that.</p><p>If I didn't get bullied.. I would've interact with more ppl and probably complete 10,000 hours in social relationship training, hence I would've done much better in things I came across after school years. Plainly, I'm having hard time in terms of communicating with people, that pretty much closes most of the life experiences. In long run, all this have costed me quite badly. And yes, I agree with what the article explains.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>unfortunately , I do n't have any solutions with me .
But I can tell you some long term consequences based on my experience.I was brought up in south-asia in a co-ed public school .
Public schools are a mix of all the social classes and it is still a habit of 3rd world country men to look down each other on minor nuances.I was a bully victim throughout my school years ( and to a certain extent in my college years.. but more towards 'work-wise bullying ' ) .
Definitely I did n't have the physique to fight back .
So I had to submit it to survive school years as changing schools is not the solution for everything .
As a consequence , I never had a big circle of friends in school .
And I try to forget most of my school years and ppl I met there.Most of my school time , I spent on home work and other stuff ( including reading , thinking stuff up ) while rest are having merry time in the school yard .
But nevertheless , I met handful of good guys ( mostly nerds ) , who ended up being my long term friends/confidantes.But I really got to know I 'm having a serious issue , only after I entered to college .
I spent 4 years there without attending a single dorm party , going to college prom or road trips .
I just did n't fit into people .
I had hard time understanding ppl and only time I understood them was.. when they are ganging up to bully me.Same thing with romantic stuff .
Its a shame , even educated in a co-ed school , I never went on a date in my entire life ( and not to mention , no first time yet ) .
Simply because , I do n't know how to approach females and talk to them nor have the confidence .
Back in school days , when I approached a girl , there are herds of ppl shouting/yelling nasty stuff.... and to avoid that harassment , I opt not to talk with girls.Moreover , I have issues approaching strangers and talking with them .
And I 'm worst in terms of bargaining things and manipulating situation for my advantage .
No matter how much I try to fit into social groups , I always get kicked out.Even in my office , I tend to limit my communication to e-mails/IMs .
Even thought other staffers having great non-work bonds.. I only have professional relationships.. that 's that.If I did n't get bullied.. I would 've interact with more ppl and probably complete 10,000 hours in social relationship training , hence I would 've done much better in things I came across after school years .
Plainly , I 'm having hard time in terms of communicating with people , that pretty much closes most of the life experiences .
In long run , all this have costed me quite badly .
And yes , I agree with what the article explains .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>unfortunately, I don't have any solutions with me.
But I can tell you some long term consequences based on my experience.I was brought up in south-asia in a co-ed public school.
Public schools are a mix of all the social classes and it is still a habit of 3rd world country men to look down each other on minor nuances.I was a bully victim throughout my school years (and to a certain extent in my college years.. but more towards 'work-wise bullying').
Definitely I didn't have the physique to fight back.
So I had to submit it to survive school years as changing schools is not the solution for everything.
As a consequence, I never had a big circle of friends in school.
And I try to forget most of my school years and ppl I met there.Most of my school time, I spent on home work and other stuff (including reading, thinking stuff up) while rest are having merry time in the school yard.
But nevertheless, I met handful of good guys (mostly nerds), who ended up being my long term friends/confidantes.But I really got to know I'm having a serious issue, only after I entered to college.
I spent 4 years there without attending a single dorm party, going to college prom or road trips.
I just didn't fit into people.
I had hard time understanding ppl and only time I understood them was.. when they are ganging up to bully me.Same thing with romantic stuff.
Its a shame, even educated in a co-ed school, I never went on a date in my entire life (and not to mention, no first time yet).
Simply because, I don't know how to approach females and talk to them nor have the confidence.
Back in school days, when I approached a girl, there are herds of ppl shouting/yelling nasty stuff.... and to avoid that harassment, I opt not to talk with girls.Moreover, I have issues approaching strangers and talking with them.
And I'm worst in terms of bargaining things and manipulating situation for my advantage.
No matter how much I try to fit into social groups, I always get kicked out.Even in my office, I tend to limit my communication to e-mails/IMs.
Even thought other staffers having great non-work bonds.. I only have professional relationships.. that's that.If I didn't get bullied.. I would've interact with more ppl and probably complete 10,000 hours in social relationship training, hence I would've done much better in things I came across after school years.
Plainly, I'm having hard time in terms of communicating with people, that pretty much closes most of the life experiences.
In long run, all this have costed me quite badly.
And yes, I agree with what the article explains.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004998</id>
	<title>Re:Asking for it</title>
	<author>Xeno man</author>
	<datestamp>1265127480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't understand why everyone is just saying this article is just a blame the victim story. It looks to be more like a understanding the victim. Everything has more than one approach so why just focus on bullies, look at the bullied and maybe help them too. <br> <br>

Lets use a car analogy, Slashdot likes that.<br> <br>
Your in your car sitting at a red light waiting. The light turns green so you go, but half way through the intersection some fucker that was trying to beat his red light now runs the red and t-bones you. Now who what at fault? That's easy, the other guy. Your the victim in this scenario. You had the complete right of way, BUT if you the "victim" took a bit of self responsibility and maybe looked both ways before going you might have noticed the other guy wasn't stopping and avoided the whole thing. You would still have your car, avoided any injuries, recovery time and possible deaths. I'm not faulting you for the accident it self but for not being a better driver.
<br> <br>
The same for the article it self, it points out that there are reasons that specif children get picked on and if you can identify them you can help them become better people and in doing so they get along with others better and get picked on less. Now kids are still going to get picked on because some bullies are just jerks, just like you can be a perfect driver that does everything right and more and some fucker still plows into you, but were not analyzing that side of the coin here. <br> <br>

I'm not saying that I agree with everything in the article but the study it self has some merit. But then again, maybe I'm just arguing with a thousand bullied nerds that have deep emotional scars that won't allow them to believe for a moment that they did anything to bring on a bullies wrath.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand why everyone is just saying this article is just a blame the victim story .
It looks to be more like a understanding the victim .
Everything has more than one approach so why just focus on bullies , look at the bullied and maybe help them too .
Lets use a car analogy , Slashdot likes that .
Your in your car sitting at a red light waiting .
The light turns green so you go , but half way through the intersection some fucker that was trying to beat his red light now runs the red and t-bones you .
Now who what at fault ?
That 's easy , the other guy .
Your the victim in this scenario .
You had the complete right of way , BUT if you the " victim " took a bit of self responsibility and maybe looked both ways before going you might have noticed the other guy was n't stopping and avoided the whole thing .
You would still have your car , avoided any injuries , recovery time and possible deaths .
I 'm not faulting you for the accident it self but for not being a better driver .
The same for the article it self , it points out that there are reasons that specif children get picked on and if you can identify them you can help them become better people and in doing so they get along with others better and get picked on less .
Now kids are still going to get picked on because some bullies are just jerks , just like you can be a perfect driver that does everything right and more and some fucker still plows into you , but were not analyzing that side of the coin here .
I 'm not saying that I agree with everything in the article but the study it self has some merit .
But then again , maybe I 'm just arguing with a thousand bullied nerds that have deep emotional scars that wo n't allow them to believe for a moment that they did anything to bring on a bullies wrath .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't understand why everyone is just saying this article is just a blame the victim story.
It looks to be more like a understanding the victim.
Everything has more than one approach so why just focus on bullies, look at the bullied and maybe help them too.
Lets use a car analogy, Slashdot likes that.
Your in your car sitting at a red light waiting.
The light turns green so you go, but half way through the intersection some fucker that was trying to beat his red light now runs the red and t-bones you.
Now who what at fault?
That's easy, the other guy.
Your the victim in this scenario.
You had the complete right of way, BUT if you the "victim" took a bit of self responsibility and maybe looked both ways before going you might have noticed the other guy wasn't stopping and avoided the whole thing.
You would still have your car, avoided any injuries, recovery time and possible deaths.
I'm not faulting you for the accident it self but for not being a better driver.
The same for the article it self, it points out that there are reasons that specif children get picked on and if you can identify them you can help them become better people and in doing so they get along with others better and get picked on less.
Now kids are still going to get picked on because some bullies are just jerks, just like you can be a perfect driver that does everything right and more and some fucker still plows into you, but were not analyzing that side of the coin here.
I'm not saying that I agree with everything in the article but the study it self has some merit.
But then again, maybe I'm just arguing with a thousand bullied nerds that have deep emotional scars that won't allow them to believe for a moment that they did anything to bring on a bullies wrath.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005166</id>
	<title>I already know tomorrow's best /. story.</title>
	<author>icannotthinkofaname</author>
	<datestamp>1265128320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With headlines like this one, I give you my prediction for tomorrow:</p><p>Headline on 2010-02-03: "Scientists find cure for erectile dysfunction."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With headlines like this one , I give you my prediction for tomorrow : Headline on 2010-02-03 : " Scientists find cure for erectile dysfunction .
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<sentencetext>With headlines like this one, I give you my prediction for tomorrow:Headline on 2010-02-03: "Scientists find cure for erectile dysfunction.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005714</id>
	<title>Missing the Point</title>
	<author>thethirdwheel</author>
	<datestamp>1265131860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dear Slashdot,</p><p>I would like to direct you to the article, as you seem to have neglected it in favor of mindless over-reaction.</p><p>Item 1: The study doesn't BLAME the victims of bullying and social rejection, it asserts that there is a correlation between underdeveloped social skills and bullying and rejection.  People who have paid attention to the universe have probably already noticed this correlation.  Under the "ways to help" section, the neglect and bullying are explicitly pointed out as CAUSES of the underdeveloped social skills.</p><p>Item 2:  It is painfully clear that social skills are important for being well liked.  Yes, people are assholes and bullies unfairly prey on unpopular kids, but that doesn't change the essential fact that social skills can help you extract yourself gracefully from these situations (without resorting to the sort of violent fantasies described in earlier (and unfortunately upmodded) posts).  Furthermore, those same skills are vitally important for future success in education and the workplace.</p><p>In summary:</p><p>Being socially effective is important, maybe we should help kids who are having trouble figure out how.<br>Bullying and social rejection cause and are caused by underdeveloped social skills.  That is bad, and we should do stuff (practical, achievable, forward moving stuff) in order to help alleviate it.</p><p>Thank you, as always, for the stream of unproductive invective.</p><p>Rory</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear Slashdot,I would like to direct you to the article , as you seem to have neglected it in favor of mindless over-reaction.Item 1 : The study does n't BLAME the victims of bullying and social rejection , it asserts that there is a correlation between underdeveloped social skills and bullying and rejection .
People who have paid attention to the universe have probably already noticed this correlation .
Under the " ways to help " section , the neglect and bullying are explicitly pointed out as CAUSES of the underdeveloped social skills.Item 2 : It is painfully clear that social skills are important for being well liked .
Yes , people are assholes and bullies unfairly prey on unpopular kids , but that does n't change the essential fact that social skills can help you extract yourself gracefully from these situations ( without resorting to the sort of violent fantasies described in earlier ( and unfortunately upmodded ) posts ) .
Furthermore , those same skills are vitally important for future success in education and the workplace.In summary : Being socially effective is important , maybe we should help kids who are having trouble figure out how.Bullying and social rejection cause and are caused by underdeveloped social skills .
That is bad , and we should do stuff ( practical , achievable , forward moving stuff ) in order to help alleviate it.Thank you , as always , for the stream of unproductive invective.Rory</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear Slashdot,I would like to direct you to the article, as you seem to have neglected it in favor of mindless over-reaction.Item 1: The study doesn't BLAME the victims of bullying and social rejection, it asserts that there is a correlation between underdeveloped social skills and bullying and rejection.
People who have paid attention to the universe have probably already noticed this correlation.
Under the "ways to help" section, the neglect and bullying are explicitly pointed out as CAUSES of the underdeveloped social skills.Item 2:  It is painfully clear that social skills are important for being well liked.
Yes, people are assholes and bullies unfairly prey on unpopular kids, but that doesn't change the essential fact that social skills can help you extract yourself gracefully from these situations (without resorting to the sort of violent fantasies described in earlier (and unfortunately upmodded) posts).
Furthermore, those same skills are vitally important for future success in education and the workplace.In summary:Being socially effective is important, maybe we should help kids who are having trouble figure out how.Bullying and social rejection cause and are caused by underdeveloped social skills.
That is bad, and we should do stuff (practical, achievable, forward moving stuff) in order to help alleviate it.Thank you, as always, for the stream of unproductive invective.Rory</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005532</id>
	<title>It might not be right, but it's the way it is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265130660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, No, I haven't read the whole article but regarding the whole "Who to blame"-conversation.</p><p>We are animals and there are patterns in how we behave and in how others respond to such behavior. Sure, the ideal is that everyone should be accepted as who we truly are but reality is that some behavior trigger bad responses in others. So even though no one should be bullying anyone for any reason. I stand by the claim that the victim can be at least partially responsible. If you do weird stuff and behave in strange ways, others will notice and it will influence how the interact with you. It's the same when you are an adult it just takes on a different form. Kids who are bullied could probably use some coaching in how to get out of it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...that or just beat up whoever is giving them shit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , No , I have n't read the whole article but regarding the whole " Who to blame " -conversation.We are animals and there are patterns in how we behave and in how others respond to such behavior .
Sure , the ideal is that everyone should be accepted as who we truly are but reality is that some behavior trigger bad responses in others .
So even though no one should be bullying anyone for any reason .
I stand by the claim that the victim can be at least partially responsible .
If you do weird stuff and behave in strange ways , others will notice and it will influence how the interact with you .
It 's the same when you are an adult it just takes on a different form .
Kids who are bullied could probably use some coaching in how to get out of it .
...that or just beat up whoever is giving them shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, No, I haven't read the whole article but regarding the whole "Who to blame"-conversation.We are animals and there are patterns in how we behave and in how others respond to such behavior.
Sure, the ideal is that everyone should be accepted as who we truly are but reality is that some behavior trigger bad responses in others.
So even though no one should be bullying anyone for any reason.
I stand by the claim that the victim can be at least partially responsible.
If you do weird stuff and behave in strange ways, others will notice and it will influence how the interact with you.
It's the same when you are an adult it just takes on a different form.
Kids who are bullied could probably use some coaching in how to get out of it.
...that or just beat up whoever is giving them shit.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:not that it is bad that you stood up for yourse</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1265126940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"your actions do not sound like someone in control. in fact, you were out of control. you say so yourself"<br> <br>
True, true. I guess... It showed me what I was capable of. And that I didn't need to be afraid, it also bought me respect which helped me socially. Had I never stood up for myself I'd have never known I could and would have continued to live fearing things I really needn't.<br> <br>And yes, I didn't enjoy hurting the guy and certainly avoided fights (I got into lots of fights in grade/middle school but only protecting other nerds or myself). I suppose I had a joy in the vindication of it all but it was outweighed by the unpleasantness. I get the danger. But I think it far better to release or come to the understanding I did early on. If I still didn't understand at my age now I imagine the rage and bitterness built up, self pity, self hatred even would be much more damaging. Perhaps after that then I would start to feel joy in my enemies suffering... better to deal with it early.<br> <br>Also, I totally don't think it is reasonable to shoot someone breaking and entering. Hell it could be an old friend throwing a surprise, or a drunk gone to the wrong house or... lots of things. Point a gun at him and tell him to fuck off if you are that paranoid. Me, I'd stay in my room, shout down at them to fuck off and that I have a gun. If they come in its fair game. Otherwise I'd rather have them leave with my T.V. / w/e than shoot a person.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:S</htmltext>
<tokenext>" your actions do not sound like someone in control .
in fact , you were out of control .
you say so yourself " True , true .
I guess... It showed me what I was capable of .
And that I did n't need to be afraid , it also bought me respect which helped me socially .
Had I never stood up for myself I 'd have never known I could and would have continued to live fearing things I really need n't .
And yes , I did n't enjoy hurting the guy and certainly avoided fights ( I got into lots of fights in grade/middle school but only protecting other nerds or myself ) .
I suppose I had a joy in the vindication of it all but it was outweighed by the unpleasantness .
I get the danger .
But I think it far better to release or come to the understanding I did early on .
If I still did n't understand at my age now I imagine the rage and bitterness built up , self pity , self hatred even would be much more damaging .
Perhaps after that then I would start to feel joy in my enemies suffering... better to deal with it early .
Also , I totally do n't think it is reasonable to shoot someone breaking and entering .
Hell it could be an old friend throwing a surprise , or a drunk gone to the wrong house or... lots of things .
Point a gun at him and tell him to fuck off if you are that paranoid .
Me , I 'd stay in my room , shout down at them to fuck off and that I have a gun .
If they come in its fair game .
Otherwise I 'd rather have them leave with my T.V .
/ w/e than shoot a person .
: S</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"your actions do not sound like someone in control.
in fact, you were out of control.
you say so yourself" 
True, true.
I guess... It showed me what I was capable of.
And that I didn't need to be afraid, it also bought me respect which helped me socially.
Had I never stood up for myself I'd have never known I could and would have continued to live fearing things I really needn't.
And yes, I didn't enjoy hurting the guy and certainly avoided fights (I got into lots of fights in grade/middle school but only protecting other nerds or myself).
I suppose I had a joy in the vindication of it all but it was outweighed by the unpleasantness.
I get the danger.
But I think it far better to release or come to the understanding I did early on.
If I still didn't understand at my age now I imagine the rage and bitterness built up, self pity, self hatred even would be much more damaging.
Perhaps after that then I would start to feel joy in my enemies suffering... better to deal with it early.
Also, I totally don't think it is reasonable to shoot someone breaking and entering.
Hell it could be an old friend throwing a surprise, or a drunk gone to the wrong house or... lots of things.
Point a gun at him and tell him to fuck off if you are that paranoid.
Me, I'd stay in my room, shout down at them to fuck off and that I have a gun.
If they come in its fair game.
Otherwise I'd rather have them leave with my T.V.
/ w/e than shoot a person.
:S</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004578</id>
	<title>fun way to read the article...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265124960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Read the article with "rape" in place of "bully"...makes it very interesting</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Read the article with " rape " in place of " bully " ...makes it very interesting</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Read the article with "rape" in place of "bully"...makes it very interesting</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005398</id>
	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265129700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fighting back is all well and good, but what if one is physically useless?  I was tiny for my age and all skin and bones.  80-odd pounds in 8th grade.  Barely able to carry books to school.  The only thing that kept me somewhat out of trouble was that I could usually sprint fast enough to get out of their range, and they'd eventually give up for the day.  Of course, it would start up all over again the next day.  Teachers didn't care.  Mom tried to soothe me that in heaven, "the last shall be first".  What a crock of bullshit.</p><p>Sometimes, life's not fair, and that's that.  I often think it would have been better had my mom had that abortion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fighting back is all well and good , but what if one is physically useless ?
I was tiny for my age and all skin and bones .
80-odd pounds in 8th grade .
Barely able to carry books to school .
The only thing that kept me somewhat out of trouble was that I could usually sprint fast enough to get out of their range , and they 'd eventually give up for the day .
Of course , it would start up all over again the next day .
Teachers did n't care .
Mom tried to soothe me that in heaven , " the last shall be first " .
What a crock of bullshit.Sometimes , life 's not fair , and that 's that .
I often think it would have been better had my mom had that abortion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fighting back is all well and good, but what if one is physically useless?
I was tiny for my age and all skin and bones.
80-odd pounds in 8th grade.
Barely able to carry books to school.
The only thing that kept me somewhat out of trouble was that I could usually sprint fast enough to get out of their range, and they'd eventually give up for the day.
Of course, it would start up all over again the next day.
Teachers didn't care.
Mom tried to soothe me that in heaven, "the last shall be first".
What a crock of bullshit.Sometimes, life's not fair, and that's that.
I often think it would have been better had my mom had that abortion.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005888</id>
	<title>hear hear: "Turn the other cheek"</title>
	<author>electrosoccertux</author>
	<datestamp>1265133120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All these years I thought "turn the other cheek" meant you just put up with bullying.<br>Then I read a sentence in this book by some Christian author I can't remember. Anyways, he said<br>"You can't turn the other cheek if it's been turned for you".</p><p>There is a key distinction between meekness and weakness I was not understanding. Now that I have discovered that, it is my choice whether I choose to fight back or not. I don't feel "morally obliged" to be passive. I evaluate whether it is important for me to defend myself at that moment, and I act on that. The real problem all along for me was a control issue. Now that I have that control, I realize the power struggle for what a silly thing it is, and it just doesn't bother me. I also am much older now and these things just don't happen anymore.</p><p>I plan to do what another<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. poster wrote about a year ago. His daughter [2nd, 3rd grade or something] was being abused by the school bully. He contacted the teachers, several times about it, to no avail; after the girl was physically hurting his daughter. He contacted the school principle, who didn't do anything, shrugged it off, not a big deal, etc. So he told his daughter, the next time this happens, grab her hair next to her scalp tightly, and push her head down as hard as you can while you pick your knee up right into her face.</p><p>The girl did it, gave the bully a bloody nose, teachers and principle were ALL OVER her and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. poster; threatened him with a lawsuit over his daughter's conduct. So he explained everything to his lawyer and had him write them a nastygram. They and the bully's parents shut up.</p><p>I liked this story because<br>1). he tried to deal with it through the most acceptable means [of course they weren't going to do anything about it, but he tried at least and so had legal grounds to stand on]<br>2). The bully never bothered his daughter again. Neither did anyone else in school.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All these years I thought " turn the other cheek " meant you just put up with bullying.Then I read a sentence in this book by some Christian author I ca n't remember .
Anyways , he said " You ca n't turn the other cheek if it 's been turned for you " .There is a key distinction between meekness and weakness I was not understanding .
Now that I have discovered that , it is my choice whether I choose to fight back or not .
I do n't feel " morally obliged " to be passive .
I evaluate whether it is important for me to defend myself at that moment , and I act on that .
The real problem all along for me was a control issue .
Now that I have that control , I realize the power struggle for what a silly thing it is , and it just does n't bother me .
I also am much older now and these things just do n't happen anymore.I plan to do what another / .
poster wrote about a year ago .
His daughter [ 2nd , 3rd grade or something ] was being abused by the school bully .
He contacted the teachers , several times about it , to no avail ; after the girl was physically hurting his daughter .
He contacted the school principle , who did n't do anything , shrugged it off , not a big deal , etc .
So he told his daughter , the next time this happens , grab her hair next to her scalp tightly , and push her head down as hard as you can while you pick your knee up right into her face.The girl did it , gave the bully a bloody nose , teachers and principle were ALL OVER her and / .
poster ; threatened him with a lawsuit over his daughter 's conduct .
So he explained everything to his lawyer and had him write them a nastygram .
They and the bully 's parents shut up.I liked this story because1 ) .
he tried to deal with it through the most acceptable means [ of course they were n't going to do anything about it , but he tried at least and so had legal grounds to stand on ] 2 ) .
The bully never bothered his daughter again .
Neither did anyone else in school .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All these years I thought "turn the other cheek" meant you just put up with bullying.Then I read a sentence in this book by some Christian author I can't remember.
Anyways, he said"You can't turn the other cheek if it's been turned for you".There is a key distinction between meekness and weakness I was not understanding.
Now that I have discovered that, it is my choice whether I choose to fight back or not.
I don't feel "morally obliged" to be passive.
I evaluate whether it is important for me to defend myself at that moment, and I act on that.
The real problem all along for me was a control issue.
Now that I have that control, I realize the power struggle for what a silly thing it is, and it just doesn't bother me.
I also am much older now and these things just don't happen anymore.I plan to do what another /.
poster wrote about a year ago.
His daughter [2nd, 3rd grade or something] was being abused by the school bully.
He contacted the teachers, several times about it, to no avail; after the girl was physically hurting his daughter.
He contacted the school principle, who didn't do anything, shrugged it off, not a big deal, etc.
So he told his daughter, the next time this happens, grab her hair next to her scalp tightly, and push her head down as hard as you can while you pick your knee up right into her face.The girl did it, gave the bully a bloody nose, teachers and principle were ALL OVER her and /.
poster; threatened him with a lawsuit over his daughter's conduct.
So he explained everything to his lawyer and had him write them a nastygram.
They and the bully's parents shut up.I liked this story because1).
he tried to deal with it through the most acceptable means [of course they weren't going to do anything about it, but he tried at least and so had legal grounds to stand on]2).
The bully never bothered his daughter again.
Neither did anyone else in school.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>DavidD\_CA</author>
	<datestamp>1265127480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And in this day and age, his parents would have sued your parents for $100,000 in medical bills and emotional distress.</p><p>Nevermind that he started it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And in this day and age , his parents would have sued your parents for $ 100,000 in medical bills and emotional distress.Nevermind that he started it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And in this day and age, his parents would have sued your parents for $100,000 in medical bills and emotional distress.Nevermind that he started it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005094</id>
	<title>Re:Asking for it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265127960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You fail at reading comprehension.  Read it again and try to leave your personal failures out of it this time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You fail at reading comprehension .
Read it again and try to leave your personal failures out of it this time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You fail at reading comprehension.
Read it again and try to leave your personal failures out of it this time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004472</id>
	<title>The future of IT in peril!</title>
	<author>anti-NAT</author>
	<datestamp>1265124360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bullied kids are the embryos of  IT profession. For the future of the industry, we need kids to retreat to their parent's basements and get good at computering. Who's going to run the Internet in the future? Who's going to endlessly debate Macs verses PCs? Who's going to "meep"? Who's going to "grok"?</p><p><br><br><br><strong>Who's going to visit Slashdot?</strong></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bullied kids are the embryos of IT profession .
For the future of the industry , we need kids to retreat to their parent 's basements and get good at computering .
Who 's going to run the Internet in the future ?
Who 's going to endlessly debate Macs verses PCs ?
Who 's going to " meep " ?
Who 's going to " grok " ? Who 's going to visit Slashdot ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bullied kids are the embryos of  IT profession.
For the future of the industry, we need kids to retreat to their parent's basements and get good at computering.
Who's going to run the Internet in the future?
Who's going to endlessly debate Macs verses PCs?
Who's going to "meep"?
Who's going to "grok"?Who's going to visit Slashdot?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005802</id>
	<title>Re:Asking for it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265132580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I think that this was a study to find out why some kids are bullied and others aren't. Not why there are bullies and what to do about them. There will ALWAYS be bullies to some degree, and I would never condone it in any shape or form. But that doesn't mean this study or others like it might not have merit and help gain an understanding of the social circumstances going on. I say this because it doesn't matter what you do to a bully, they will likely always be a bully until you put them behind bars later in life. What you can do to help a victim is possibly teach them some ways to prevent bullying altogether or to lessen its severity and frequency.</p><p>I found it quite interesting really. And while so many come here and say fight it out, stand up for yourself, there are other options you can do, as well. Like get more practice picking up social cues and understanding social nuances in relationships, etc. If you have to fight because you are cornered, so be it, but it wouldn't hurt to have also learned these other skills.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I think that this was a study to find out why some kids are bullied and others are n't .
Not why there are bullies and what to do about them .
There will ALWAYS be bullies to some degree , and I would never condone it in any shape or form .
But that does n't mean this study or others like it might not have merit and help gain an understanding of the social circumstances going on .
I say this because it does n't matter what you do to a bully , they will likely always be a bully until you put them behind bars later in life .
What you can do to help a victim is possibly teach them some ways to prevent bullying altogether or to lessen its severity and frequency.I found it quite interesting really .
And while so many come here and say fight it out , stand up for yourself , there are other options you can do , as well .
Like get more practice picking up social cues and understanding social nuances in relationships , etc .
If you have to fight because you are cornered , so be it , but it would n't hurt to have also learned these other skills .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I think that this was a study to find out why some kids are bullied and others aren't.
Not why there are bullies and what to do about them.
There will ALWAYS be bullies to some degree, and I would never condone it in any shape or form.
But that doesn't mean this study or others like it might not have merit and help gain an understanding of the social circumstances going on.
I say this because it doesn't matter what you do to a bully, they will likely always be a bully until you put them behind bars later in life.
What you can do to help a victim is possibly teach them some ways to prevent bullying altogether or to lessen its severity and frequency.I found it quite interesting really.
And while so many come here and say fight it out, stand up for yourself, there are other options you can do, as well.
Like get more practice picking up social cues and understanding social nuances in relationships, etc.
If you have to fight because you are cornered, so be it, but it wouldn't hurt to have also learned these other skills.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31009696</id>
	<title>Bullying is not always physical</title>
	<author>spitzig</author>
	<datestamp>1264953060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have only had one of my students try to fight. He is small, and his intent was obvious, so it wasn't hard to hold him back. It's Taiwan, and they were yelling Chinese, so I'm not sure. But, I believe the one being attacked was the aggressor. The aggressor was larger, and laughed at the attack.</p><p>The attacker is a student who frequently cries in my class. He misbehaves a lot. So I punish him. He cries. He gets angry for some other reason he cries. This student needs to learn some other tactics. Incidentally, the bullied often become bullies themselves. Maybe I can use this as an opportunity to help him learn some better strategies.</p><p>Also, I dislike the complete objection to the bullied student being taught to do something different. If a person is frequently treated badly by numerous people, maybe they ARE doing something wrong. The bully should still be punished, but that doesn't mean you can't talk to the bullied.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have only had one of my students try to fight .
He is small , and his intent was obvious , so it was n't hard to hold him back .
It 's Taiwan , and they were yelling Chinese , so I 'm not sure .
But , I believe the one being attacked was the aggressor .
The aggressor was larger , and laughed at the attack.The attacker is a student who frequently cries in my class .
He misbehaves a lot .
So I punish him .
He cries .
He gets angry for some other reason he cries .
This student needs to learn some other tactics .
Incidentally , the bullied often become bullies themselves .
Maybe I can use this as an opportunity to help him learn some better strategies.Also , I dislike the complete objection to the bullied student being taught to do something different .
If a person is frequently treated badly by numerous people , maybe they ARE doing something wrong .
The bully should still be punished , but that does n't mean you ca n't talk to the bullied .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have only had one of my students try to fight.
He is small, and his intent was obvious, so it wasn't hard to hold him back.
It's Taiwan, and they were yelling Chinese, so I'm not sure.
But, I believe the one being attacked was the aggressor.
The aggressor was larger, and laughed at the attack.The attacker is a student who frequently cries in my class.
He misbehaves a lot.
So I punish him.
He cries.
He gets angry for some other reason he cries.
This student needs to learn some other tactics.
Incidentally, the bullied often become bullies themselves.
Maybe I can use this as an opportunity to help him learn some better strategies.Also, I dislike the complete objection to the bullied student being taught to do something different.
If a person is frequently treated badly by numerous people, maybe they ARE doing something wrong.
The bully should still be punished, but that doesn't mean you can't talk to the bullied.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005838</id>
	<title>Re:The Comments are Really Interesting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265132760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"People have always tried to end bullying by punishing the bullies, but it has never been an effective way to solve the problem."<br>The only truely effective "punishment" would be culling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" People have always tried to end bullying by punishing the bullies , but it has never been an effective way to solve the problem .
" The only truely effective " punishment " would be culling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"People have always tried to end bullying by punishing the bullies, but it has never been an effective way to solve the problem.
"The only truely effective "punishment" would be culling.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005608</id>
	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265131200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Quant,<br>
Do not take this the wrong way. We have all watched you on this site. Personally, I like you. BUT, the simple fact is, that you are a hothead. I have actually suggested to you to call it a night. You were getting worked up OVER NOTHING, and would not stop.<br> <br>
So they were right.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Quant , Do not take this the wrong way .
We have all watched you on this site .
Personally , I like you .
BUT , the simple fact is , that you are a hothead .
I have actually suggested to you to call it a night .
You were getting worked up OVER NOTHING , and would not stop .
So they were right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quant,
Do not take this the wrong way.
We have all watched you on this site.
Personally, I like you.
BUT, the simple fact is, that you are a hothead.
I have actually suggested to you to call it a night.
You were getting worked up OVER NOTHING, and would not stop.
So they were right.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004422</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31010718</id>
	<title>nerds,geeks</title>
	<author>frvfilmslashdot</author>
	<datestamp>1264957380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>everyone here was bullied,</htmltext>
<tokenext>everyone here was bullied,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>everyone here was bullied,</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004764</id>
	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1265126160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you're claiming you punched him hard enough to break your hand, but you describe it as pushing the knuckle back<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... sorry, not buying it.  You'd have known it was broken when the pain didn't go away and had described it as such.</p><p>Interestingly enough, I think my dad told me that exact same story after getting bullied myself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you 're claiming you punched him hard enough to break your hand , but you describe it as pushing the knuckle back ... sorry , not buying it .
You 'd have known it was broken when the pain did n't go away and had described it as such.Interestingly enough , I think my dad told me that exact same story after getting bullied myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you're claiming you punched him hard enough to break your hand, but you describe it as pushing the knuckle back ... sorry, not buying it.
You'd have known it was broken when the pain didn't go away and had described it as such.Interestingly enough, I think my dad told me that exact same story after getting bullied myself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31010082</id>
	<title>Re:I was bullied constantly until...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264954740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suggest soft-style martial arts -- wrestling (and I don't mean sport wrestling, I mean dirty style), aikido, jujitsu, etc.</p><p>All too often zero tolerance rules ask, "Did you throw a punch?"  And with soft styles, the kid honestly answers, "No."</p><p>The kid used joint locks to inflict pain, threw the tormenter into multiple hard surfaces, slammed the tormenter's face into the floor -- but never threw a punch.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:DDD</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suggest soft-style martial arts -- wrestling ( and I do n't mean sport wrestling , I mean dirty style ) , aikido , jujitsu , etc.All too often zero tolerance rules ask , " Did you throw a punch ?
" And with soft styles , the kid honestly answers , " No .
" The kid used joint locks to inflict pain , threw the tormenter into multiple hard surfaces , slammed the tormenter 's face into the floor -- but never threw a punch .
: DDD</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suggest soft-style martial arts -- wrestling (and I don't mean sport wrestling, I mean dirty style), aikido, jujitsu, etc.All too often zero tolerance rules ask, "Did you throw a punch?
"  And with soft styles, the kid honestly answers, "No.
"The kid used joint locks to inflict pain, threw the tormenter into multiple hard surfaces, slammed the tormenter's face into the floor -- but never threw a punch.
:DDD</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005228</id>
	<title>I wonder if</title>
	<author>zerospeaks</author>
	<datestamp>1265128680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder if the study compensated for anti-social tendencies such as psychopathic, and  if the hormonal instincts to compete (which are strongest during adolescence) was also adjusted for.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if the study compensated for anti-social tendencies such as psychopathic , and if the hormonal instincts to compete ( which are strongest during adolescence ) was also adjusted for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if the study compensated for anti-social tendencies such as psychopathic, and  if the hormonal instincts to compete (which are strongest during adolescence) was also adjusted for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005598</id>
	<title>I want to hear about something you share tomorrow</title>
	<author>countertrolling</author>
	<datestamp>1265131200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I let Tommy borrow my Teletubbies disk, and the next day, men in black suits took mommy and daddy away. What does RIAA mean? And who are you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I let Tommy borrow my Teletubbies disk , and the next day , men in black suits took mommy and daddy away .
What does RIAA mean ?
And who are you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I let Tommy borrow my Teletubbies disk, and the next day, men in black suits took mommy and daddy away.
What does RIAA mean?
And who are you?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005214</id>
	<title>Re:The Comments are Really Interesting</title>
	<author>h4rr4r</author>
	<datestamp>1265128560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really? Because never in my childhood was a bully ever punished. Not once. The only time I can recall a bully going to the principals office was after I fought back. Since I won the altercation I was in trouble and he was the victim, nevermind that he started it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
Because never in my childhood was a bully ever punished .
Not once .
The only time I can recall a bully going to the principals office was after I fought back .
Since I won the altercation I was in trouble and he was the victim , nevermind that he started it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
Because never in my childhood was a bully ever punished.
Not once.
The only time I can recall a bully going to the principals office was after I fought back.
Since I won the altercation I was in trouble and he was the victim, nevermind that he started it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31011226</id>
	<title>Lack-of-own-reality FAIL?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1264959240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, but it&rsquo;s long well-know what causes people to get rejected, become bullies, become respected, etc.<br>It all depends on who is drawing others into his sense of reality, and who is drawn in to the sense of reality of others.<br>Four examples:<br>- You are insecure, and you follow others: You are going to get bullied, and not even know it. Because you learn it&rsquo;s right that that bully always gets a part of your share of something good. You even defend him. Worst case: Hitler-follower. Likely case: &ldquo;Yes, boss. Yes, boss. Yes, boss.&rdquo; office drone.<br>- You do not follow others, but are insecure: Others will see that, and because your non-conformance gives them an attack vector, you are definitely going to get bullied. A lot. Your whole life you&rsquo;ll be the one who always gets the &ldquo;bad luck&rdquo;, and you may not even know why.<br>- You follow others, but are very stable in &ldquo;your&rdquo; reality: You&rsquo;ll become someone who believes things, and stands behind them, no matter if they are right or wrong, because you have no own right and wrong. Because whoever you follow said so. And worse: You will drag others into it too. You may end up as a extremist (religious/racist/etc) rally leader, under your guru/politician/Hitler-equivalent. Or a PR guy with no soul. Etc. Normal case: Religious big-party voter, who thinks TV-news-reality is what is right and wrong, and is willing to fight, to protect that reality.<br>- You are very stable in your own reality, and do only follow your own values: You will draw others in, from the very beginning. (All those in the categories above.) And become a leader. Or if you are evil, a bully. In later life you may become the hero of many people. Either in the good sense, or in the Hitler one. Depending on if your own values are good for others, or bad. Also, if your own views are delusional, you may become some kind of religious leader, drawing many people into false values. But you will never be bullied or become the village idiot. Realistically, you will just have a good life and reach your goals.</p><p>Conclusion: You control how others react to you. By how you act. It&rsquo;s a self-fulfilling prophecy.<br>If you&rsquo;re good, and know that you are right, people will naturally start to follow you. (Everybody wants to have a part of that good you give and learn from that (seemingly or really wise) leadership. You don&rsquo;t need to become a leader. But they will always respect you, and not bully you.<br>There may be upcoming wannabe-leaders who may, because of their own strong reality, want to fight you. But that will not influence your views. Only that of those who follow you and are very weak themselves. (Which are just as easy to turn back again.)<br>But most other people like you, especially later in life, will recognize you as one of theirs. And mostly you will go out of each other&rsquo;s way, and/or respect you anyway.</p><p>And now the good part: The only reason you are what you are today, is because you say so. If you decide to stop being a follower, but become a leader tomorrow... <em>so be it</em>. It will be work, and not be nothing. But only in a fight with yourself, and with those who are used to being able to push you around and command you.</p><p>Remember that there is a point to most people not being leaders. A society where everybody is a leader, would not work very well, would it?<br>Just don&rsquo;t be a bully yourself, if you are one. It will only harm your respect and decimate those who stand behind you.</p><p>So if you want to protect your kids from getting bullied, let them have their own opinions and know that they are right or wrong. Independent from others, but not delusional.<br>It&rsquo;s extremely important as a parent, to acknowledge that your kid was right, and you were wrong, when that is the case. Also when your kid won against you in something (e.g. arguing about something), <em>acknowledge it</em>. There&rsquo;s an easy way to do that, and keep your respect: Just be <em>proud</em> of them! Just like a kung-</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , but it    s long well-know what causes people to get rejected , become bullies , become respected , etc.It all depends on who is drawing others into his sense of reality , and who is drawn in to the sense of reality of others.Four examples : - You are insecure , and you follow others : You are going to get bullied , and not even know it .
Because you learn it    s right that that bully always gets a part of your share of something good .
You even defend him .
Worst case : Hitler-follower .
Likely case :    Yes , boss .
Yes , boss .
Yes , boss.    office drone.- You do not follow others , but are insecure : Others will see that , and because your non-conformance gives them an attack vector , you are definitely going to get bullied .
A lot .
Your whole life you    ll be the one who always gets the    bad luck    , and you may not even know why.- You follow others , but are very stable in    your    reality : You    ll become someone who believes things , and stands behind them , no matter if they are right or wrong , because you have no own right and wrong .
Because whoever you follow said so .
And worse : You will drag others into it too .
You may end up as a extremist ( religious/racist/etc ) rally leader , under your guru/politician/Hitler-equivalent .
Or a PR guy with no soul .
Etc. Normal case : Religious big-party voter , who thinks TV-news-reality is what is right and wrong , and is willing to fight , to protect that reality.- You are very stable in your own reality , and do only follow your own values : You will draw others in , from the very beginning .
( All those in the categories above .
) And become a leader .
Or if you are evil , a bully .
In later life you may become the hero of many people .
Either in the good sense , or in the Hitler one .
Depending on if your own values are good for others , or bad .
Also , if your own views are delusional , you may become some kind of religious leader , drawing many people into false values .
But you will never be bullied or become the village idiot .
Realistically , you will just have a good life and reach your goals.Conclusion : You control how others react to you .
By how you act .
It    s a self-fulfilling prophecy.If you    re good , and know that you are right , people will naturally start to follow you .
( Everybody wants to have a part of that good you give and learn from that ( seemingly or really wise ) leadership .
You don    t need to become a leader .
But they will always respect you , and not bully you.There may be upcoming wannabe-leaders who may , because of their own strong reality , want to fight you .
But that will not influence your views .
Only that of those who follow you and are very weak themselves .
( Which are just as easy to turn back again .
) But most other people like you , especially later in life , will recognize you as one of theirs .
And mostly you will go out of each other    s way , and/or respect you anyway.And now the good part : The only reason you are what you are today , is because you say so .
If you decide to stop being a follower , but become a leader tomorrow... so be it .
It will be work , and not be nothing .
But only in a fight with yourself , and with those who are used to being able to push you around and command you.Remember that there is a point to most people not being leaders .
A society where everybody is a leader , would not work very well , would it ? Just don    t be a bully yourself , if you are one .
It will only harm your respect and decimate those who stand behind you.So if you want to protect your kids from getting bullied , let them have their own opinions and know that they are right or wrong .
Independent from others , but not delusional.It    s extremely important as a parent , to acknowledge that your kid was right , and you were wrong , when that is the case .
Also when your kid won against you in something ( e.g .
arguing about something ) , acknowledge it .
There    s an easy way to do that , and keep your respect : Just be proud of them !
Just like a kung-</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, but it’s long well-know what causes people to get rejected, become bullies, become respected, etc.It all depends on who is drawing others into his sense of reality, and who is drawn in to the sense of reality of others.Four examples:- You are insecure, and you follow others: You are going to get bullied, and not even know it.
Because you learn it’s right that that bully always gets a part of your share of something good.
You even defend him.
Worst case: Hitler-follower.
Likely case: “Yes, boss.
Yes, boss.
Yes, boss.” office drone.- You do not follow others, but are insecure: Others will see that, and because your non-conformance gives them an attack vector, you are definitely going to get bullied.
A lot.
Your whole life you’ll be the one who always gets the “bad luck”, and you may not even know why.- You follow others, but are very stable in “your” reality: You’ll become someone who believes things, and stands behind them, no matter if they are right or wrong, because you have no own right and wrong.
Because whoever you follow said so.
And worse: You will drag others into it too.
You may end up as a extremist (religious/racist/etc) rally leader, under your guru/politician/Hitler-equivalent.
Or a PR guy with no soul.
Etc. Normal case: Religious big-party voter, who thinks TV-news-reality is what is right and wrong, and is willing to fight, to protect that reality.- You are very stable in your own reality, and do only follow your own values: You will draw others in, from the very beginning.
(All those in the categories above.
) And become a leader.
Or if you are evil, a bully.
In later life you may become the hero of many people.
Either in the good sense, or in the Hitler one.
Depending on if your own values are good for others, or bad.
Also, if your own views are delusional, you may become some kind of religious leader, drawing many people into false values.
But you will never be bullied or become the village idiot.
Realistically, you will just have a good life and reach your goals.Conclusion: You control how others react to you.
By how you act.
It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.If you’re good, and know that you are right, people will naturally start to follow you.
(Everybody wants to have a part of that good you give and learn from that (seemingly or really wise) leadership.
You don’t need to become a leader.
But they will always respect you, and not bully you.There may be upcoming wannabe-leaders who may, because of their own strong reality, want to fight you.
But that will not influence your views.
Only that of those who follow you and are very weak themselves.
(Which are just as easy to turn back again.
)But most other people like you, especially later in life, will recognize you as one of theirs.
And mostly you will go out of each other’s way, and/or respect you anyway.And now the good part: The only reason you are what you are today, is because you say so.
If you decide to stop being a follower, but become a leader tomorrow... so be it.
It will be work, and not be nothing.
But only in a fight with yourself, and with those who are used to being able to push you around and command you.Remember that there is a point to most people not being leaders.
A society where everybody is a leader, would not work very well, would it?Just don’t be a bully yourself, if you are one.
It will only harm your respect and decimate those who stand behind you.So if you want to protect your kids from getting bullied, let them have their own opinions and know that they are right or wrong.
Independent from others, but not delusional.It’s extremely important as a parent, to acknowledge that your kid was right, and you were wrong, when that is the case.
Also when your kid won against you in something (e.g.
arguing about something), acknowledge it.
There’s an easy way to do that, and keep your respect: Just be proud of them!
Just like a kung-</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004806</id>
	<title>rofl</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265126520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>   Being a person who saw many different people bullied over the years by different people, I can say without a doubt, this research is bogus.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; It does not equate with facts.  Actually its obvious that ones that are socially slow are without exception the people who bully.  They will bully anyone with or without social awareness.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Also I have seen no correlation in people who have grown up between being bullied and having it affect your later life.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Oppositely in every case of bullying I have the seen the bullied people becoming much better contributers and actors in society than the bullies!</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; The research was obviously poorly done, maybe focused on children with autism and other difficulties only and drew its conclusions from the premises.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; This study is absolute BS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Being a person who saw many different people bullied over the years by different people , I can say without a doubt , this research is bogus .
      It does not equate with facts .
Actually its obvious that ones that are socially slow are without exception the people who bully .
They will bully anyone with or without social awareness .
      Also I have seen no correlation in people who have grown up between being bullied and having it affect your later life .
      Oppositely in every case of bullying I have the seen the bullied people becoming much better contributers and actors in society than the bullies !
      The research was obviously poorly done , maybe focused on children with autism and other difficulties only and drew its conclusions from the premises .
      This study is absolute BS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>   Being a person who saw many different people bullied over the years by different people, I can say without a doubt, this research is bogus.
      It does not equate with facts.
Actually its obvious that ones that are socially slow are without exception the people who bully.
They will bully anyone with or without social awareness.
      Also I have seen no correlation in people who have grown up between being bullied and having it affect your later life.
      Oppositely in every case of bullying I have the seen the bullied people becoming much better contributers and actors in society than the bullies!
      The research was obviously poorly done, maybe focused on children with autism and other difficulties only and drew its conclusions from the premises.
      This study is absolute BS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31007100</id>
	<title>Re:Asking for it</title>
	<author>FarHat</author>
	<datestamp>1264928700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this is a wrong way of looking at it. Think of it like defensive driving. Regardless of who is at fault in a car accident, defensive driving reduces the chance of you getting into a collision. Learning behaviors that reduce the likelihood of you getting bullied is similar. Moreover, unlike car accidents where you do have some recourse after the accident in bullying you are usually out on your own. Teachers don't believe you, at worst they often take the sides of the bullies and a lot of teachers are former bullies themselves. Also, changing the behavior of one kid who has a good incentive to change behavior (not get bullied) is much easier than changing the behavior of everyone else who have little to gain from not bullying and something to lose (dominance).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is a wrong way of looking at it .
Think of it like defensive driving .
Regardless of who is at fault in a car accident , defensive driving reduces the chance of you getting into a collision .
Learning behaviors that reduce the likelihood of you getting bullied is similar .
Moreover , unlike car accidents where you do have some recourse after the accident in bullying you are usually out on your own .
Teachers do n't believe you , at worst they often take the sides of the bullies and a lot of teachers are former bullies themselves .
Also , changing the behavior of one kid who has a good incentive to change behavior ( not get bullied ) is much easier than changing the behavior of everyone else who have little to gain from not bullying and something to lose ( dominance ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is a wrong way of looking at it.
Think of it like defensive driving.
Regardless of who is at fault in a car accident, defensive driving reduces the chance of you getting into a collision.
Learning behaviors that reduce the likelihood of you getting bullied is similar.
Moreover, unlike car accidents where you do have some recourse after the accident in bullying you are usually out on your own.
Teachers don't believe you, at worst they often take the sides of the bullies and a lot of teachers are former bullies themselves.
Also, changing the behavior of one kid who has a good incentive to change behavior (not get bullied) is much easier than changing the behavior of everyone else who have little to gain from not bullying and something to lose (dominance).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31006444</id>
	<title>I struck back too</title>
	<author>Chicken\_Kickers</author>
	<datestamp>1265138220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I went to a Malaysian Public Boarding High School. The environment there was closer to a military boot camp than Hogwarts, complete with barbed wire fences, guards and wardens. The eldest students there, called "seniors" lord over everyone else ("juniors"). You're pretty much at their beck and call and any perceived slights usually results in a beating. You dare not tell the teachers as it would probably get you more beatings from them as you are "tarnishing the school's reputation by making a complaint" and then even more beatings by the seniors when they found out you squawked. You also dare not tell your parents since you will let them down if you leave the boarding school. One of the tasks I had to do as a junior was to wash a whole dorm of senior's uniform, all 18 of them, once a week. There were no washing machines and you have to manually wash, dry and iron them. After a few times of doing this, I decided to strike back. After washing their uniforms, I carefully rubbed them on the communal toilet floor, in such a way as not to stain them. I then dried the uniforms and lightly ironed them. After a few weeks of this, many of the seniors developed very itchy fungal skin infections. To my great satisfaction, they never did found out what I did. From then on, I learned that revenge is truly best served cold. Seeing your tormentors in discomfort and none the wiser is much sweeter than fighting back physically.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I went to a Malaysian Public Boarding High School .
The environment there was closer to a military boot camp than Hogwarts , complete with barbed wire fences , guards and wardens .
The eldest students there , called " seniors " lord over everyone else ( " juniors " ) .
You 're pretty much at their beck and call and any perceived slights usually results in a beating .
You dare not tell the teachers as it would probably get you more beatings from them as you are " tarnishing the school 's reputation by making a complaint " and then even more beatings by the seniors when they found out you squawked .
You also dare not tell your parents since you will let them down if you leave the boarding school .
One of the tasks I had to do as a junior was to wash a whole dorm of senior 's uniform , all 18 of them , once a week .
There were no washing machines and you have to manually wash , dry and iron them .
After a few times of doing this , I decided to strike back .
After washing their uniforms , I carefully rubbed them on the communal toilet floor , in such a way as not to stain them .
I then dried the uniforms and lightly ironed them .
After a few weeks of this , many of the seniors developed very itchy fungal skin infections .
To my great satisfaction , they never did found out what I did .
From then on , I learned that revenge is truly best served cold .
Seeing your tormentors in discomfort and none the wiser is much sweeter than fighting back physically .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I went to a Malaysian Public Boarding High School.
The environment there was closer to a military boot camp than Hogwarts, complete with barbed wire fences, guards and wardens.
The eldest students there, called "seniors" lord over everyone else ("juniors").
You're pretty much at their beck and call and any perceived slights usually results in a beating.
You dare not tell the teachers as it would probably get you more beatings from them as you are "tarnishing the school's reputation by making a complaint" and then even more beatings by the seniors when they found out you squawked.
You also dare not tell your parents since you will let them down if you leave the boarding school.
One of the tasks I had to do as a junior was to wash a whole dorm of senior's uniform, all 18 of them, once a week.
There were no washing machines and you have to manually wash, dry and iron them.
After a few times of doing this, I decided to strike back.
After washing their uniforms, I carefully rubbed them on the communal toilet floor, in such a way as not to stain them.
I then dried the uniforms and lightly ironed them.
After a few weeks of this, many of the seniors developed very itchy fungal skin infections.
To my great satisfaction, they never did found out what I did.
From then on, I learned that revenge is truly best served cold.
Seeing your tormentors in discomfort and none the wiser is much sweeter than fighting back physically.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005238</id>
	<title>Re:Asking for it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265128740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right on.</p><p>In one school I was bullied, in another, happy and well-adjusted.</p><p>Same old me (bright, motivated, small, shy). In the first school, the teachers turned a blind eye, considered the bullied students the problem, and surrendered control outside the classroom to certain students and influential parents. In the other, the teachers were aware, considered bullies the problem, and kept control, in the classroom and out.</p><p>It is not a child's responsibility to create a safe environment for themselves. It is for adults to make sure they are safe.</p><p>And maybe the reason these children don't pick up on social cues is because they're surrounded by hostility, and they've shut down in self-protection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right on.In one school I was bullied , in another , happy and well-adjusted.Same old me ( bright , motivated , small , shy ) .
In the first school , the teachers turned a blind eye , considered the bullied students the problem , and surrendered control outside the classroom to certain students and influential parents .
In the other , the teachers were aware , considered bullies the problem , and kept control , in the classroom and out.It is not a child 's responsibility to create a safe environment for themselves .
It is for adults to make sure they are safe.And maybe the reason these children do n't pick up on social cues is because they 're surrounded by hostility , and they 've shut down in self-protection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right on.In one school I was bullied, in another, happy and well-adjusted.Same old me (bright, motivated, small, shy).
In the first school, the teachers turned a blind eye, considered the bullied students the problem, and surrendered control outside the classroom to certain students and influential parents.
In the other, the teachers were aware, considered bullies the problem, and kept control, in the classroom and out.It is not a child's responsibility to create a safe environment for themselves.
It is for adults to make sure they are safe.And maybe the reason these children don't pick up on social cues is because they're surrounded by hostility, and they've shut down in self-protection.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31010172</id>
	<title>self help bullshit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264955160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's the typical self-help bullshit: be self-confident, smile and every problem solves itselves.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>1)     Ask the child what happened and listen without judgment.</p><p>2)     Ask the child to identify their mistake. (Often children only know that someone got upset, but don't understand their own role in the outcome.)</p></div><p>Do you see any contradiction between the two?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the typical self-help bullshit : be self-confident , smile and every problem solves itselves.1 ) Ask the child what happened and listen without judgment.2 ) Ask the child to identify their mistake .
( Often children only know that someone got upset , but do n't understand their own role in the outcome .
) Do you see any contradiction between the two ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the typical self-help bullshit: be self-confident, smile and every problem solves itselves.1)     Ask the child what happened and listen without judgment.2)     Ask the child to identify their mistake.
(Often children only know that someone got upset, but don't understand their own role in the outcome.
)Do you see any contradiction between the two?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005300</id>
	<title>they get bullied and rejected</title>
	<author>Rick Bentley</author>
	<datestamp>1265129160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>then they (okay, "we") end up on slashdot and other online forums where there are no visual cues to miss.</htmltext>
<tokenext>then they ( okay , " we " ) end up on slashdot and other online forums where there are no visual cues to miss .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>then they (okay, "we") end up on slashdot and other online forums where there are no visual cues to miss.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31004860</id>
	<title>Re:fags</title>
	<author>Ironchew</author>
	<datestamp>1265126760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>fags get bullied because they're little useless sacks of dog shit.</p></div><p>We should be proud that this discussion involves both sides now.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>fags get bullied because they 're little useless sacks of dog shit.We should be proud that this discussion involves both sides now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>fags get bullied because they're little useless sacks of dog shit.We should be proud that this discussion involves both sides now.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31005076</id>
	<title>Sure, blame is on the dead guy</title>
	<author>The Abused Developer</author>
	<datestamp>1265127840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Did anybody expected something else? In a society where the standard child is desired, pushed trough the system to develop an ultra-selfish, short-minded personality so that for his whole existence will be enslaved for the benefit of the holy *Corporate* trough his insatiable, primitive void - this is the desired future citizen not the type which has the courage to think and stand up. Holy crap brainwashed nation what future I foresee for you<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did anybody expected something else ?
In a society where the standard child is desired , pushed trough the system to develop an ultra-selfish , short-minded personality so that for his whole existence will be enslaved for the benefit of the holy * Corporate * trough his insatiable , primitive void - this is the desired future citizen not the type which has the courage to think and stand up .
Holy crap brainwashed nation what future I foresee for you .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did anybody expected something else?
In a society where the standard child is desired, pushed trough the system to develop an ultra-selfish, short-minded personality so that for his whole existence will be enslaved for the benefit of the holy *Corporate* trough his insatiable, primitive void - this is the desired future citizen not the type which has the courage to think and stand up.
Holy crap brainwashed nation what future I foresee for you ...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31007976</id>
	<title>Title, summary and study seem at odds...</title>
	<author>Lundse</author>
	<datestamp>1264938780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...to say the least.</p><p>'Studies Reveal Why Kids Get Bullied and Rejected' - is a bad title for the summary, and the article. It does indeed seem to 'lay blame' on the victims - because it claims to have found the (one?) reason behind bullying; the victim's social abilities.<br>From reading the article (sorry), it is clear that the study is not saying this is the reason (let alone only reason) behind bullying. It is about "...factors in a child's behavior that can lead to social rejection"; it is saying certain kids are more likely to be bullied, not that they are at fault! If someone told you skinny, physically weak kids were more likely to be bullied, would you get mad at them for suggesting it is the skinny kid's fault?</p><p>A better title would be 'Studies Reveal Why <b>Certain</b> Kids Get Bullied and Rejected'. Blame the journalist, not the study.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...to say the least .
'Studies Reveal Why Kids Get Bullied and Rejected ' - is a bad title for the summary , and the article .
It does indeed seem to 'lay blame ' on the victims - because it claims to have found the ( one ?
) reason behind bullying ; the victim 's social abilities.From reading the article ( sorry ) , it is clear that the study is not saying this is the reason ( let alone only reason ) behind bullying .
It is about " ...factors in a child 's behavior that can lead to social rejection " ; it is saying certain kids are more likely to be bullied , not that they are at fault !
If someone told you skinny , physically weak kids were more likely to be bullied , would you get mad at them for suggesting it is the skinny kid 's fault ? A better title would be 'Studies Reveal Why Certain Kids Get Bullied and Rejected' .
Blame the journalist , not the study .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...to say the least.
'Studies Reveal Why Kids Get Bullied and Rejected' - is a bad title for the summary, and the article.
It does indeed seem to 'lay blame' on the victims - because it claims to have found the (one?
) reason behind bullying; the victim's social abilities.From reading the article (sorry), it is clear that the study is not saying this is the reason (let alone only reason) behind bullying.
It is about "...factors in a child's behavior that can lead to social rejection"; it is saying certain kids are more likely to be bullied, not that they are at fault!
If someone told you skinny, physically weak kids were more likely to be bullied, would you get mad at them for suggesting it is the skinny kid's fault?A better title would be 'Studies Reveal Why Certain Kids Get Bullied and Rejected'.
Blame the journalist, not the study.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31007282</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome, Blame the victim</title>
	<author>grumbel</author>
	<datestamp>1264930500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Great idea, lets just ignore science and go with our good old preconceived notion and waste efforts on solution that do not work because they are simple and make us feel good. The fact that you don't like the outcome of the study doesn't make it wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great idea , lets just ignore science and go with our good old preconceived notion and waste efforts on solution that do not work because they are simple and make us feel good .
The fact that you do n't like the outcome of the study does n't make it wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great idea, lets just ignore science and go with our good old preconceived notion and waste efforts on solution that do not work because they are simple and make us feel good.
The fact that you don't like the outcome of the study doesn't make it wrong.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_2124203.31017480</id>
	<title>Re:When do I get my big research grant?</title>
	<author>init100</author>
	<datestamp>1264945980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Teaching the bullies a thing or two</p></div><p>Preferably in a way that makes an unforgettable impression.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>But that would take some real conflict resolution skills on the part of psychologists and social workers, and that stuff's kinda hard....</p></div><p>But why get out and deal with the harsh world outside when it's much more cushy to stay in your office drinking coffee? Or at least that's how many teachers and other school officials seem to think.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Teaching the bullies a thing or twoPreferably in a way that makes an unforgettable impression.But that would take some real conflict resolution skills on the part of psychologists and social workers , and that stuff 's kinda hard....But why get out and deal with the harsh world outside when it 's much more cushy to stay in your office drinking coffee ?
Or at least that 's how many teachers and other school officials seem to think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Teaching the bullies a thing or twoPreferably in a way that makes an unforgettable impression.But that would take some real conflict resolution skills on the part of psychologists and social workers, and that stuff's kinda hard....But why get out and deal with the harsh world outside when it's much more cushy to stay in your office drinking coffee?
Or at least that's how many teachers and other school officials seem to think.
	</sentencetext>
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