<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_28_206240</id>
	<title>2 Displays and 2 Workspaces With Linux and X?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1264666500000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Borov writes <i>"I'm planning to buy a second monitor in near future and I was searching for ways to configure it under Linux. It seems there are two main ways: 1) to have one 'big' desktop, which means I have single workspace &mdash; changing virtual desktop switches both monitors or 2) to have separate X sessions for each display &mdash; which means I have separate workspaces, but I can't move applications between them. I need something in the middle &mdash; a separate workspace for  each screen, so that I can have independent virtual desktops on each screen, but still have the ability to move applications between monitors (no need to strech one app across both of them). I've read that some tiling window managers can do this kind of thing, but I'd rather go with 'classical' window managers, like Openbox/Gnome/KDE or similar."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Borov writes " I 'm planning to buy a second monitor in near future and I was searching for ways to configure it under Linux .
It seems there are two main ways : 1 ) to have one 'big ' desktop , which means I have single workspace    changing virtual desktop switches both monitors or 2 ) to have separate X sessions for each display    which means I have separate workspaces , but I ca n't move applications between them .
I need something in the middle    a separate workspace for each screen , so that I can have independent virtual desktops on each screen , but still have the ability to move applications between monitors ( no need to strech one app across both of them ) .
I 've read that some tiling window managers can do this kind of thing , but I 'd rather go with 'classical ' window managers , like Openbox/Gnome/KDE or similar .
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<sentencetext>Borov writes "I'm planning to buy a second monitor in near future and I was searching for ways to configure it under Linux.
It seems there are two main ways: 1) to have one 'big' desktop, which means I have single workspace — changing virtual desktop switches both monitors or 2) to have separate X sessions for each display — which means I have separate workspaces, but I can't move applications between them.
I need something in the middle — a separate workspace for  each screen, so that I can have independent virtual desktops on each screen, but still have the ability to move applications between monitors (no need to strech one app across both of them).
I've read that some tiling window managers can do this kind of thing, but I'd rather go with 'classical' window managers, like Openbox/Gnome/KDE or similar.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942104</id>
	<title>Re:xinerama and xrandr</title>
	<author>serviscope\_minor</author>
	<datestamp>1264676280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Touche.</p><p>Xinerama and Xrandr work great for configuring multiple monitors.</p><p>Those systems say nothing about virtual desktops. Perhaps it is you who should not only use google as you suggest with almost religious fervour, but also read the results coming from google.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Touche.Xinerama and Xrandr work great for configuring multiple monitors.Those systems say nothing about virtual desktops .
Perhaps it is you who should not only use google as you suggest with almost religious fervour , but also read the results coming from google .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Touche.Xinerama and Xrandr work great for configuring multiple monitors.Those systems say nothing about virtual desktops.
Perhaps it is you who should not only use google as you suggest with almost religious fervour, but also read the results coming from google.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941238</id>
	<title>Re:4 Screens</title>
	<author>daff2k</author>
	<datestamp>1264673460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd love to know how you configured that setup? I have tried that with KDE 4.3 using two Nvidia cards (each dual-DVI capable) and connecting three monitors but TwinView doesn't natively allow for more than two monitors. What it does seem to allow is for one of the "twin views" to be composed of two xinerama screens though. It then puts that xinerama dual-screen together with the regular screen as TwinView. But that screws up the screen borders, i.e. maximising a window on the xinerama dual-screen gets stretched over both monitors.</p><p>What did you do?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd love to know how you configured that setup ?
I have tried that with KDE 4.3 using two Nvidia cards ( each dual-DVI capable ) and connecting three monitors but TwinView does n't natively allow for more than two monitors .
What it does seem to allow is for one of the " twin views " to be composed of two xinerama screens though .
It then puts that xinerama dual-screen together with the regular screen as TwinView .
But that screws up the screen borders , i.e .
maximising a window on the xinerama dual-screen gets stretched over both monitors.What did you do ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd love to know how you configured that setup?
I have tried that with KDE 4.3 using two Nvidia cards (each dual-DVI capable) and connecting three monitors but TwinView doesn't natively allow for more than two monitors.
What it does seem to allow is for one of the "twin views" to be composed of two xinerama screens though.
It then puts that xinerama dual-screen together with the regular screen as TwinView.
But that screws up the screen borders, i.e.
maximising a window on the xinerama dual-screen gets stretched over both monitors.What did you do?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30947694</id>
	<title>Re:This is a first</title>
	<author>smallfries</author>
	<datestamp>1264767600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No - he doesn't understand what he wants because he has freely intermixed the terms desktop and workspace in the question. This has quite rightly confused the crap out of both sides of the never-ending windows-vs-linux death-match on slashdot.</p><p>It sounds like he wants independent workspace flipping on both screens, while dragging windows between. This is not hard to do, but by mentioning desktops he has confused everyone. The majority of the posts above are telling him that you cannot transfer windows between independent X screens (true, but irrelevant).</p><p>What he actually wants is a standard spanning X display (probably Xinerama) with a custom workspace flipper that groups the windows according to which logical display they are on. It's been a few years since I tried this and my memory is vauge; I would guess that the workspace flipper in Blackbox does this. If not, there are plenty of suggestions in other threads that sound plausible.</p><p>Your point was nearly correct: he wants <i>independent workspaces</i>, not desktops, or viewports, nor monitors. Personally I would tell him to get over the whole workspace thing and just use Expose on OS-X hooked up to keyboard shortcuts, but that is not the answer that he is looking for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No - he does n't understand what he wants because he has freely intermixed the terms desktop and workspace in the question .
This has quite rightly confused the crap out of both sides of the never-ending windows-vs-linux death-match on slashdot.It sounds like he wants independent workspace flipping on both screens , while dragging windows between .
This is not hard to do , but by mentioning desktops he has confused everyone .
The majority of the posts above are telling him that you can not transfer windows between independent X screens ( true , but irrelevant ) .What he actually wants is a standard spanning X display ( probably Xinerama ) with a custom workspace flipper that groups the windows according to which logical display they are on .
It 's been a few years since I tried this and my memory is vauge ; I would guess that the workspace flipper in Blackbox does this .
If not , there are plenty of suggestions in other threads that sound plausible.Your point was nearly correct : he wants independent workspaces , not desktops , or viewports , nor monitors .
Personally I would tell him to get over the whole workspace thing and just use Expose on OS-X hooked up to keyboard shortcuts , but that is not the answer that he is looking for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No - he doesn't understand what he wants because he has freely intermixed the terms desktop and workspace in the question.
This has quite rightly confused the crap out of both sides of the never-ending windows-vs-linux death-match on slashdot.It sounds like he wants independent workspace flipping on both screens, while dragging windows between.
This is not hard to do, but by mentioning desktops he has confused everyone.
The majority of the posts above are telling him that you cannot transfer windows between independent X screens (true, but irrelevant).What he actually wants is a standard spanning X display (probably Xinerama) with a custom workspace flipper that groups the windows according to which logical display they are on.
It's been a few years since I tried this and my memory is vauge; I would guess that the workspace flipper in Blackbox does this.
If not, there are plenty of suggestions in other threads that sound plausible.Your point was nearly correct: he wants independent workspaces, not desktops, or viewports, nor monitors.
Personally I would tell him to get over the whole workspace thing and just use Expose on OS-X hooked up to keyboard shortcuts, but that is not the answer that he is looking for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940670</id>
	<title>Re:xinerama and xrandr</title>
	<author>shawn(at)fsu</author>
	<datestamp>1264671840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I looked in to this a few years ago, wouldn't work back then so I'm glad some one asked because I'm not in the habit of constantly asking Google the same question everyday and getting the same result.<br>I'm not insane, not yet anyway. Plus if you don't have a good search string then you're not going to find good answers.   Some of the people here get mad for people asking dumb questions but give the guy a break. At least when (s)he's asking<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. they can use real English to describe the problem and have people interpret it.</p><p>And as far as I know even in the previous release of Suse and the 8.04 Ubuntu this was the way to do it but it was a known issue not to work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I looked in to this a few years ago , would n't work back then so I 'm glad some one asked because I 'm not in the habit of constantly asking Google the same question everyday and getting the same result.I 'm not insane , not yet anyway .
Plus if you do n't have a good search string then you 're not going to find good answers .
Some of the people here get mad for people asking dumb questions but give the guy a break .
At least when ( s ) he 's asking / .
they can use real English to describe the problem and have people interpret it.And as far as I know even in the previous release of Suse and the 8.04 Ubuntu this was the way to do it but it was a known issue not to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I looked in to this a few years ago, wouldn't work back then so I'm glad some one asked because I'm not in the habit of constantly asking Google the same question everyday and getting the same result.I'm not insane, not yet anyway.
Plus if you don't have a good search string then you're not going to find good answers.
Some of the people here get mad for people asking dumb questions but give the guy a break.
At least when (s)he's asking /.
they can use real English to describe the problem and have people interpret it.And as far as I know even in the previous release of Suse and the 8.04 Ubuntu this was the way to do it but it was a known issue not to work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942128</id>
	<title>Re:xinerama and xrandr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264676340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"OP wants two monitors with their own separate workspaces, while still being able to drag windows between them."</p><p>I'm using xinerama + xrandr to achieve just that on kde 4.3 (on this very computer I'm using right now)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" OP wants two monitors with their own separate workspaces , while still being able to drag windows between them .
" I 'm using xinerama + xrandr to achieve just that on kde 4.3 ( on this very computer I 'm using right now )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"OP wants two monitors with their own separate workspaces, while still being able to drag windows between them.
"I'm using xinerama + xrandr to achieve just that on kde 4.3 (on this very computer I'm using right now)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940338</id>
	<title>Enlightenment</title>
	<author>illogict</author>
	<datestamp>1264670940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Enlightenment DR17 (http://www.enlightenment.org) lets you do that: virtual desktops are managed on a per-screen basis, and still you can move windows between screens.
Don't worry it is not "officially" released, it's really stable, I've not seen a crash or anything for months.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Enlightenment DR17 ( http : //www.enlightenment.org ) lets you do that : virtual desktops are managed on a per-screen basis , and still you can move windows between screens .
Do n't worry it is not " officially " released , it 's really stable , I 've not seen a crash or anything for months .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Enlightenment DR17 (http://www.enlightenment.org) lets you do that: virtual desktops are managed on a per-screen basis, and still you can move windows between screens.
Don't worry it is not "officially" released, it's really stable, I've not seen a crash or anything for months.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940808</id>
	<title>Re:xinerama and xrandr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264672200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its the 48th century for some of us, you insensitive clod!<br>

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese\_calendar#Correspondence\_between\_systems" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese\_calendar#Correspondence\_between\_systems</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its the 48th century for some of us , you insensitive clod !
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese \ _calendar # Correspondence \ _between \ _systems [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its the 48th century for some of us, you insensitive clod!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese\_calendar#Correspondence\_between\_systems [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942260</id>
	<title>TwinView + Xinerama</title>
	<author>pak9rabid</author>
	<datestamp>1264676760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd say your best bet is to use an NVIDIA card with dual outputs, TwinView enabled, and let NVIDIA's implementation of Xinerama take care of the per-monitor fullscreen stuff for you (most apps I've come across are Xinerama aware...with the notable exception of games, in which you have to get creative with your X config file to get it to fullscreen only on a single display correctly).  You won't have the ability to control your virtual desktops on a per-monitor basis, but I think that feature pales in comparison to being able to move stuff freely between both monitors.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd say your best bet is to use an NVIDIA card with dual outputs , TwinView enabled , and let NVIDIA 's implementation of Xinerama take care of the per-monitor fullscreen stuff for you ( most apps I 've come across are Xinerama aware...with the notable exception of games , in which you have to get creative with your X config file to get it to fullscreen only on a single display correctly ) .
You wo n't have the ability to control your virtual desktops on a per-monitor basis , but I think that feature pales in comparison to being able to move stuff freely between both monitors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd say your best bet is to use an NVIDIA card with dual outputs, TwinView enabled, and let NVIDIA's implementation of Xinerama take care of the per-monitor fullscreen stuff for you (most apps I've come across are Xinerama aware...with the notable exception of games, in which you have to get creative with your X config file to get it to fullscreen only on a single display correctly).
You won't have the ability to control your virtual desktops on a per-monitor basis, but I think that feature pales in comparison to being able to move stuff freely between both monitors.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30953092</id>
	<title>Two Accounts</title>
	<author>Vengeful weenie</author>
	<datestamp>1264794600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Create two account with the same UID.  Log in on both accounts (you can set them to auto-login you lazy person.)  Viola!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Create two account with the same UID .
Log in on both accounts ( you can set them to auto-login you lazy person .
) Viola !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Create two account with the same UID.
Log in on both accounts (you can set them to auto-login you lazy person.
)  Viola!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30946232</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>dave87656</author>
	<datestamp>1264705800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, since I set up dual monitors at one point, but found that it was so easy and quick to switch between virtual desktops that I didn't need it and it was a waste of deskspace and energy. The only reason I can think of now it either to impress people with multiple monitors or because you are monitoring events on separate screens where you need to see multiple events as they happen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , since I set up dual monitors at one point , but found that it was so easy and quick to switch between virtual desktops that I did n't need it and it was a waste of deskspace and energy .
The only reason I can think of now it either to impress people with multiple monitors or because you are monitoring events on separate screens where you need to see multiple events as they happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, since I set up dual monitors at one point, but found that it was so easy and quick to switch between virtual desktops that I didn't need it and it was a waste of deskspace and energy.
The only reason I can think of now it either to impress people with multiple monitors or because you are monitoring events on separate screens where you need to see multiple events as they happen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940348</id>
	<title>Win7</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264671000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Install Windows 7, run Linux in a VM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Install Windows 7 , run Linux in a VM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Install Windows 7, run Linux in a VM.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30944180</id>
	<title>Re:xinerama and xrandr</title>
	<author>Tacvek</author>
	<datestamp>1264686540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Logically speaking, the functionality desired is quite possible for a windows manager. Take an x screen, and draw a line down the center. Have the Window manager forbid applications from crossing the line, so they are constrained to their half of the screen. But allow apps to be dragged between both halfs. Now implement virtual desktops on each half, which are independent of each other.</p><p>All of that is quite feasible for a window manager to do. Now the last step is to change this so that the split automatically occurs at the shared edge of two monitors. Still quite possible.</p><p>I suspect most exiting window manages could have this functionality hacked in within a few days, if they don't already have support for the basic concept, but are just failing to expose it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Logically speaking , the functionality desired is quite possible for a windows manager .
Take an x screen , and draw a line down the center .
Have the Window manager forbid applications from crossing the line , so they are constrained to their half of the screen .
But allow apps to be dragged between both halfs .
Now implement virtual desktops on each half , which are independent of each other.All of that is quite feasible for a window manager to do .
Now the last step is to change this so that the split automatically occurs at the shared edge of two monitors .
Still quite possible.I suspect most exiting window manages could have this functionality hacked in within a few days , if they do n't already have support for the basic concept , but are just failing to expose it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Logically speaking, the functionality desired is quite possible for a windows manager.
Take an x screen, and draw a line down the center.
Have the Window manager forbid applications from crossing the line, so they are constrained to their half of the screen.
But allow apps to be dragged between both halfs.
Now implement virtual desktops on each half, which are independent of each other.All of that is quite feasible for a window manager to do.
Now the last step is to change this so that the split automatically occurs at the shared edge of two monitors.
Still quite possible.I suspect most exiting window manages could have this functionality hacked in within a few days, if they don't already have support for the basic concept, but are just failing to expose it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30947144</id>
	<title>Re:4 Screens -  one world, different desktops</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264759200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe he has in mind what I've wanted to do.</p><p>I want to be able to have one set of desktops or cube, but to be able to view that set of desktops on different monitors. For example, desktops 1 and 2 are displayed on monitor 1 and 2 respectively. Then be able to change monitor 2 to look at desktop 1, and see the same thing, or desktop 4, etc. No stretched desktops, not separate servers, but different VIEWS to the server. I tried to find something to do this recently, but found no decent answers. Anyone seen anything like this?</p><p>I thought I had done this before using xinerama, but it's been a long since then. When I tried recently, xinerama has been depreciated, by Xrandr, however I could not get it to work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe he has in mind what I 've wanted to do.I want to be able to have one set of desktops or cube , but to be able to view that set of desktops on different monitors .
For example , desktops 1 and 2 are displayed on monitor 1 and 2 respectively .
Then be able to change monitor 2 to look at desktop 1 , and see the same thing , or desktop 4 , etc .
No stretched desktops , not separate servers , but different VIEWS to the server .
I tried to find something to do this recently , but found no decent answers .
Anyone seen anything like this ? I thought I had done this before using xinerama , but it 's been a long since then .
When I tried recently , xinerama has been depreciated , by Xrandr , however I could not get it to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe he has in mind what I've wanted to do.I want to be able to have one set of desktops or cube, but to be able to view that set of desktops on different monitors.
For example, desktops 1 and 2 are displayed on monitor 1 and 2 respectively.
Then be able to change monitor 2 to look at desktop 1, and see the same thing, or desktop 4, etc.
No stretched desktops, not separate servers, but different VIEWS to the server.
I tried to find something to do this recently, but found no decent answers.
Anyone seen anything like this?I thought I had done this before using xinerama, but it's been a long since then.
When I tried recently, xinerama has been depreciated, by Xrandr, however I could not get it to work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940542</id>
	<title>Re:Google</title>
	<author>Chryana</author>
	<datestamp>1264671480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I tried xpra to hold the mail/news/calendar (Kontact) application in KDE, and it crashed after about a day... So I wouldn't recommend it personally, or at least not yet. As for xmove, the xpra FAQ states it has been without maintenance since 1997.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried xpra to hold the mail/news/calendar ( Kontact ) application in KDE , and it crashed after about a day... So I would n't recommend it personally , or at least not yet .
As for xmove , the xpra FAQ states it has been without maintenance since 1997 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried xpra to hold the mail/news/calendar (Kontact) application in KDE, and it crashed after about a day... So I wouldn't recommend it personally, or at least not yet.
As for xmove, the xpra FAQ states it has been without maintenance since 1997.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942562</id>
	<title>Re:Car analogy for Windows users</title>
	<author>emilper</author>
	<datestamp>1264678020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>maybe he does understand the issue, but forgot to mention "use windows and install cygwin".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>maybe he does understand the issue , but forgot to mention " use windows and install cygwin " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>maybe he does understand the issue, but forgot to mention "use windows and install cygwin".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30943590</id>
	<title>Synergy</title>
	<author>Fuzzy Eric</author>
	<datestamp>1264682820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I use Synergy ( <a href="http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/</a> [sourceforge.net] ) to share one keyboard and mouse among several computers' displays.  This should allow you to share one keyboard and mouse among multiple X servers running on your machine (and provide the opportunity for future expansion).  It can even be used to do nonintuitive things like placing the "screen" of a VM (visible in a window on one of your screens) on an edge of one of your physical screens.  (I'm still not sure that was a good idea.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Synergy ( http : //synergy2.sourceforge.net/ [ sourceforge.net ] ) to share one keyboard and mouse among several computers ' displays .
This should allow you to share one keyboard and mouse among multiple X servers running on your machine ( and provide the opportunity for future expansion ) .
It can even be used to do nonintuitive things like placing the " screen " of a VM ( visible in a window on one of your screens ) on an edge of one of your physical screens .
( I 'm still not sure that was a good idea .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Synergy ( http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net] ) to share one keyboard and mouse among several computers' displays.
This should allow you to share one keyboard and mouse among multiple X servers running on your machine (and provide the opportunity for future expansion).
It can even be used to do nonintuitive things like placing the "screen" of a VM (visible in a window on one of your screens) on an edge of one of your physical screens.
(I'm still not sure that was a good idea.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30943192</id>
	<title>Re:Have You Actually Tried It?</title>
	<author>Randle\_Revar</author>
	<datestamp>1264680540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;I have 12 desktops (one for each Fn key on standard keyboards), which are linked so that both monitors switch at the same time.</p><p>great for you, but exactly what OP *doesn't* want</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I have 12 desktops ( one for each Fn key on standard keyboards ) , which are linked so that both monitors switch at the same time.great for you , but exactly what OP * does n't * want</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;I have 12 desktops (one for each Fn key on standard keyboards), which are linked so that both monitors switch at the same time.great for you, but exactly what OP *doesn't* want</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942666</id>
	<title>Re:gnome is just fine.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264678380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed.  I have two monitors on an nvidia card.  Maximizing a window fills only one monitor.  I have two panels, with separate window lists.  You can drag windows between the two monitors as well.  It's set up exactly as you are looking for, and it took minimal fiddling (I use Ubuntu 9.10 and Compiz).  Good luck!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
I have two monitors on an nvidia card .
Maximizing a window fills only one monitor .
I have two panels , with separate window lists .
You can drag windows between the two monitors as well .
It 's set up exactly as you are looking for , and it took minimal fiddling ( I use Ubuntu 9.10 and Compiz ) .
Good luck !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
I have two monitors on an nvidia card.
Maximizing a window fills only one monitor.
I have two panels, with separate window lists.
You can drag windows between the two monitors as well.
It's set up exactly as you are looking for, and it took minimal fiddling (I use Ubuntu 9.10 and Compiz).
Good luck!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940978</id>
	<title>And also, what about other operating systems?</title>
	<author>zippthorne</author>
	<datestamp>1264672620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it possible to do the same thing in Windows?  OSX?  Neither relies primarily on an X server, so I can see how it might make things more difficult.  I know I would certainly like to be able to use screen zooming separately on the separate monitors (on OSX, which doesn't handle screen zoom very well if you're using dual: it zooms the combined desktop, and depending on settings, re-centers the screen if you perform an action like clicking a link)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it possible to do the same thing in Windows ?
OSX ? Neither relies primarily on an X server , so I can see how it might make things more difficult .
I know I would certainly like to be able to use screen zooming separately on the separate monitors ( on OSX , which does n't handle screen zoom very well if you 're using dual : it zooms the combined desktop , and depending on settings , re-centers the screen if you perform an action like clicking a link )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it possible to do the same thing in Windows?
OSX?  Neither relies primarily on an X server, so I can see how it might make things more difficult.
I know I would certainly like to be able to use screen zooming separately on the separate monitors (on OSX, which doesn't handle screen zoom very well if you're using dual: it zooms the combined desktop, and depending on settings, re-centers the screen if you perform an action like clicking a link)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30946624</id>
	<title>Re:gnome is just fine.</title>
	<author>Pf0tzenpfritz</author>
	<datestamp>1264796280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, they don't. I am actually posting this from virtual desktop #2 on screen 0 on a Debian system with Nvidia's proprietary driver and no Xinerama (two independent screens, one Xsession) , while happily changing virtual desktops on screen 1. If anything changes on the inactive desktop caused by an action on the active desktop/monitor there's definitely Xinerama involved.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , they do n't .
I am actually posting this from virtual desktop # 2 on screen 0 on a Debian system with Nvidia 's proprietary driver and no Xinerama ( two independent screens , one Xsession ) , while happily changing virtual desktops on screen 1 .
If anything changes on the inactive desktop caused by an action on the active desktop/monitor there 's definitely Xinerama involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, they don't.
I am actually posting this from virtual desktop #2 on screen 0 on a Debian system with Nvidia's proprietary driver and no Xinerama (two independent screens, one Xsession) , while happily changing virtual desktops on screen 1.
If anything changes on the inactive desktop caused by an action on the active desktop/monitor there's definitely Xinerama involved.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942176</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942078</id>
	<title>Re:Enlightenment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264676220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fucking how?!</p><p>I'm running e17 on my laptop, sometimes with a second screen attached (monitor suspended over my bed, great for TV shows, light surfing, etc. before/while sleeping). Since Firefox doesn't like two instances running, or one instance talking to two screens, this is a pain, and I'd really like to be able to shunt windows back and forth. But I can't find it anywhere....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fucking how ?
! I 'm running e17 on my laptop , sometimes with a second screen attached ( monitor suspended over my bed , great for TV shows , light surfing , etc .
before/while sleeping ) .
Since Firefox does n't like two instances running , or one instance talking to two screens , this is a pain , and I 'd really like to be able to shunt windows back and forth .
But I ca n't find it anywhere... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fucking how?
!I'm running e17 on my laptop, sometimes with a second screen attached (monitor suspended over my bed, great for TV shows, light surfing, etc.
before/while sleeping).
Since Firefox doesn't like two instances running, or one instance talking to two screens, this is a pain, and I'd really like to be able to shunt windows back and forth.
But I can't find it anywhere....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940338</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940964</id>
	<title>Xmonad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264672620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Xmonad + regular xinerama.  It's really great to be able to swap whole workspaces on and off screens... hit a key and what was on the left screen is now on the center. I don't know how I'd live without it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Xmonad + regular xinerama .
It 's really great to be able to swap whole workspaces on and off screens... hit a key and what was on the left screen is now on the center .
I do n't know how I 'd live without it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Xmonad + regular xinerama.
It's really great to be able to swap whole workspaces on and off screens... hit a key and what was on the left screen is now on the center.
I don't know how I'd live without it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30946840</id>
	<title>Re:Google</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264798440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>30 seconds with Google points me to<br></i><br>You've got some mad google-skills. You should put them on your CV!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>30 seconds with Google points me toYou 've got some mad google-skills .
You should put them on your CV !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>30 seconds with Google points me toYou've got some mad google-skills.
You should put them on your CV!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940242</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940484</id>
	<title>Re:Enlightenment +1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264671360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>it's really stable, I've not seen a crash or anything for months.</p></div><p>More importantly: I've only ever seen the window manager crash, but it has <em>never</em> brought down X with it. When it crashes, it gives you a very helpful (and ugly) dialog which allows you to restart the window manager. In the 3 years of using e17, I have never had a single application crash or data loss. And the last e17 crash is from 2008, I think.</p><p>Oh, and: mod parent up.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's really stable , I 've not seen a crash or anything for months.More importantly : I 've only ever seen the window manager crash , but it has never brought down X with it .
When it crashes , it gives you a very helpful ( and ugly ) dialog which allows you to restart the window manager .
In the 3 years of using e17 , I have never had a single application crash or data loss .
And the last e17 crash is from 2008 , I think.Oh , and : mod parent up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's really stable, I've not seen a crash or anything for months.More importantly: I've only ever seen the window manager crash, but it has never brought down X with it.
When it crashes, it gives you a very helpful (and ugly) dialog which allows you to restart the window manager.
In the 3 years of using e17, I have never had a single application crash or data loss.
And the last e17 crash is from 2008, I think.Oh, and: mod parent up.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940338</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941676</id>
	<title>This is a first</title>
	<author>93 Escort Wagon</author>
	<datestamp>1264674900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Smug answers from Windows users AND smug answers from Linux users - and neither group seems to actually understand the questions the poster is asking!</p><p>He wants <i>independent</i> desktops, guys. All these silly "Jus use Windows 7, dummy" and "Use Xinerama, idiot" responders are not grasping that fundamental point - you're all thinking of one large desktop that spans multiple monitors. Basically you're confusing desktops with viewports.</p><p>Unfortunately I don't know the answer either - but I do think I at least understand the question...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Smug answers from Windows users AND smug answers from Linux users - and neither group seems to actually understand the questions the poster is asking ! He wants independent desktops , guys .
All these silly " Jus use Windows 7 , dummy " and " Use Xinerama , idiot " responders are not grasping that fundamental point - you 're all thinking of one large desktop that spans multiple monitors .
Basically you 're confusing desktops with viewports.Unfortunately I do n't know the answer either - but I do think I at least understand the question.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Smug answers from Windows users AND smug answers from Linux users - and neither group seems to actually understand the questions the poster is asking!He wants independent desktops, guys.
All these silly "Jus use Windows 7, dummy" and "Use Xinerama, idiot" responders are not grasping that fundamental point - you're all thinking of one large desktop that spans multiple monitors.
Basically you're confusing desktops with viewports.Unfortunately I don't know the answer either - but I do think I at least understand the question...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942480</id>
	<title>Re:Enlightenment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264677660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to use enlightenment, it was really good, I had a low resolution monitor,and it allowed me to run windows with a higher (ie fixed) resolution (habbo hotel, I'm looking at you), just flick into another desktop for the bottom of the window. heh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to use enlightenment , it was really good , I had a low resolution monitor,and it allowed me to run windows with a higher ( ie fixed ) resolution ( habbo hotel , I 'm looking at you ) , just flick into another desktop for the bottom of the window .
heh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to use enlightenment, it was really good, I had a low resolution monitor,and it allowed me to run windows with a higher (ie fixed) resolution (habbo hotel, I'm looking at you), just flick into another desktop for the bottom of the window.
heh.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940338</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940366</id>
	<title>Go away, TROLL!</title>
	<author>mangu</author>
	<datestamp>1264671000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Windows 7's easy dual-monitor setup has me addicted now!</p></div></blockquote><p>So, Mr. Ballmer, would you please elucidate us on which is better, to have one big desktop where changing workspaces switches both monitors at once, or having one X session for each display?</p><p>I'm curious to know your opinion, since both alternatives have their own advantages and disadvantages and, since configuring Linux for dual monitors is so easy, using any of those two alternatives presents no problems.</p><p>BTW, I'm curious by what you say about how easy it is to set up Windows 7. Installing putty to run an X session on *any* older version of Windows is a royal PITA, so if, as you say, Windows 7 now supports Xwindow natively, then I'm really interested in Windows 7!</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows 7 's easy dual-monitor setup has me addicted now ! So , Mr. Ballmer , would you please elucidate us on which is better , to have one big desktop where changing workspaces switches both monitors at once , or having one X session for each display ? I 'm curious to know your opinion , since both alternatives have their own advantages and disadvantages and , since configuring Linux for dual monitors is so easy , using any of those two alternatives presents no problems.BTW , I 'm curious by what you say about how easy it is to set up Windows 7 .
Installing putty to run an X session on * any * older version of Windows is a royal PITA , so if , as you say , Windows 7 now supports Xwindow natively , then I 'm really interested in Windows 7 !
   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows 7's easy dual-monitor setup has me addicted now!So, Mr. Ballmer, would you please elucidate us on which is better, to have one big desktop where changing workspaces switches both monitors at once, or having one X session for each display?I'm curious to know your opinion, since both alternatives have their own advantages and disadvantages and, since configuring Linux for dual monitors is so easy, using any of those two alternatives presents no problems.BTW, I'm curious by what you say about how easy it is to set up Windows 7.
Installing putty to run an X session on *any* older version of Windows is a royal PITA, so if, as you say, Windows 7 now supports Xwindow natively, then I'm really interested in Windows 7!
   
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942606</id>
	<title>Re:4 monitors - one desktop - here's how</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264678200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've been running multiple monitors for a lot of years under Linux - currently have 4 monitors on 2 cards with another card in there but no monitors on it (yet)</p><p>I run one big desktop with 12 virtual desktops - then for the applications I want to stay available when I move from one desktop to another I simply right-click on the icon in the upper-left corner (of most windows - Chrome beta doesn't have one for some reason) and select "Always on Visible Workspace" - then it sticks there no matter which workspace I'm on.</p><p>Otherwise you could set up the VNC X-server and use VNC-viewer to log back in to the local system and use that window as your second, separate desktop.</p></div><p>the reason chrome beta does not have the button you reference is because, by default, it doesn't use system title bars and orders. right clicking on the native chrome title bar are reveals a check box labeld "Use System title bars and borders"</p><p>poof.</p><p>title bar with buttons.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been running multiple monitors for a lot of years under Linux - currently have 4 monitors on 2 cards with another card in there but no monitors on it ( yet ) I run one big desktop with 12 virtual desktops - then for the applications I want to stay available when I move from one desktop to another I simply right-click on the icon in the upper-left corner ( of most windows - Chrome beta does n't have one for some reason ) and select " Always on Visible Workspace " - then it sticks there no matter which workspace I 'm on.Otherwise you could set up the VNC X-server and use VNC-viewer to log back in to the local system and use that window as your second , separate desktop.the reason chrome beta does not have the button you reference is because , by default , it does n't use system title bars and orders .
right clicking on the native chrome title bar are reveals a check box labeld " Use System title bars and borders " poof.title bar with buttons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been running multiple monitors for a lot of years under Linux - currently have 4 monitors on 2 cards with another card in there but no monitors on it (yet)I run one big desktop with 12 virtual desktops - then for the applications I want to stay available when I move from one desktop to another I simply right-click on the icon in the upper-left corner (of most windows - Chrome beta doesn't have one for some reason) and select "Always on Visible Workspace" - then it sticks there no matter which workspace I'm on.Otherwise you could set up the VNC X-server and use VNC-viewer to log back in to the local system and use that window as your second, separate desktop.the reason chrome beta does not have the button you reference is because, by default, it doesn't use system title bars and orders.
right clicking on the native chrome title bar are reveals a check box labeld "Use System title bars and borders"poof.title bar with buttons.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30943838</id>
	<title>Semi-proprietray but..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264684200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We got something a bit different working at our place.  We run on Solaris.  8 then ported to 10.  One workstation (Ultra 25/45), with two screens side by side with two mice and two keyboards, two operators doing complementary functions.  But the mice can move across both screens and manipulate objects created by the other session.  And drag them back to the home screen if need be.  If one user session goes down the other still has access to all objects, unless the machine has to be restarted, which is rare.  A new user can just jump in and pick up where the other left off.</p><p>We don't really market it to the outside, but it makes extensive use of functionality found in the Solaris API.  Some custom stuff by us, but not a whole lot.</p><p>If you live in the southwest US, there is a very good chance you've been affected by this system.  Hopefully for the good<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We got something a bit different working at our place .
We run on Solaris .
8 then ported to 10 .
One workstation ( Ultra 25/45 ) , with two screens side by side with two mice and two keyboards , two operators doing complementary functions .
But the mice can move across both screens and manipulate objects created by the other session .
And drag them back to the home screen if need be .
If one user session goes down the other still has access to all objects , unless the machine has to be restarted , which is rare .
A new user can just jump in and pick up where the other left off.We do n't really market it to the outside , but it makes extensive use of functionality found in the Solaris API .
Some custom stuff by us , but not a whole lot.If you live in the southwest US , there is a very good chance you 've been affected by this system .
Hopefully for the good : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We got something a bit different working at our place.
We run on Solaris.
8 then ported to 10.
One workstation (Ultra 25/45), with two screens side by side with two mice and two keyboards, two operators doing complementary functions.
But the mice can move across both screens and manipulate objects created by the other session.
And drag them back to the home screen if need be.
If one user session goes down the other still has access to all objects, unless the machine has to be restarted, which is rare.
A new user can just jump in and pick up where the other left off.We don't really market it to the outside, but it makes extensive use of functionality found in the Solaris API.
Some custom stuff by us, but not a whole lot.If you live in the southwest US, there is a very good chance you've been affected by this system.
Hopefully for the good :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942672</id>
	<title>Re:xinerama and xrandr</title>
	<author>Gerzel</author>
	<datestamp>1264678380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He did.  These are the two solutions he is talking about and neither meets his needs.  I know I have the same problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He did .
These are the two solutions he is talking about and neither meets his needs .
I know I have the same problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He did.
These are the two solutions he is talking about and neither meets his needs.
I know I have the same problem.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940116</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942018</id>
	<title>xmonad and gnome/kde can live together</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264676040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I spent months trying to do the same thing with a normal window manager but I never found a way that worked well. xmove sounded promising but I couldn't get it to run. Now I use xmonad and it behaves exactly the way I want. You can set it up with window decorations and <a href="http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using\_xmonad\_in\_Gnome" title="haskell.org" rel="nofollow">run it in Gnome</a> [haskell.org] and whatever else you want to do. It's really not as big of a leap as you think it is. If you're scared of the "tiling" aspect, you can set every workspace to floating and it will never do any tiling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I spent months trying to do the same thing with a normal window manager but I never found a way that worked well .
xmove sounded promising but I could n't get it to run .
Now I use xmonad and it behaves exactly the way I want .
You can set it up with window decorations and run it in Gnome [ haskell.org ] and whatever else you want to do .
It 's really not as big of a leap as you think it is .
If you 're scared of the " tiling " aspect , you can set every workspace to floating and it will never do any tiling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I spent months trying to do the same thing with a normal window manager but I never found a way that worked well.
xmove sounded promising but I couldn't get it to run.
Now I use xmonad and it behaves exactly the way I want.
You can set it up with window decorations and run it in Gnome [haskell.org] and whatever else you want to do.
It's really not as big of a leap as you think it is.
If you're scared of the "tiling" aspect, you can set every workspace to floating and it will never do any tiling.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30945052</id>
	<title>Re:xinerama and xrandr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264693200000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know I don't remember for the life of me how I did this on my old desktop box, but I did it.  When I hit Maximize on windows it only filled the one screen.  I believe I was using KDE and perhaps a stupidly old ATI driver and xinerama.  This was the ubuntu 8.x days.  The hardware itself seemed to be malfunctioning as I'd occasionally get a 4x64 line that did inverse colours. Either way, I know it is possible!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know I do n't remember for the life of me how I did this on my old desktop box , but I did it .
When I hit Maximize on windows it only filled the one screen .
I believe I was using KDE and perhaps a stupidly old ATI driver and xinerama .
This was the ubuntu 8.x days .
The hardware itself seemed to be malfunctioning as I 'd occasionally get a 4x64 line that did inverse colours .
Either way , I know it is possible !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know I don't remember for the life of me how I did this on my old desktop box, but I did it.
When I hit Maximize on windows it only filled the one screen.
I believe I was using KDE and perhaps a stupidly old ATI driver and xinerama.
This was the ubuntu 8.x days.
The hardware itself seemed to be malfunctioning as I'd occasionally get a 4x64 line that did inverse colours.
Either way, I know it is possible!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942740</id>
	<title>Re:xinerama and xrandr</title>
	<author>alexhs</author>
	<datestamp>1264678500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"-1 Doesn't really know what xinerama+xrandr does"</p></div><p>My bet is that and "-1 Doesn't understand the question because poster OS / default Linux distribution setup doesn't do that and poster can't think of more flexibility"</p><p>There's a flaw in X where you can't move windows between screens. That you can't move them between displays makes sense (from<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:1.0 to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:2.0 for example), but between screens (from<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:0.1 to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:0.2 for example) it should be allowed.</p><p>Some tools try to get around that limitation (Xpra, xmove, mentioned in other posts, that I didn't know of, so the thread is useful<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;) )</p><p>Then there's that technical difficulty about windows crossing screen boundaries :</p><p>Virtual workspace are only simulated by the window manager by mapping or unmapping windows.<br>When a window crosses screen boundaries and you change your workspace on one screen, you get an interesting case because X doesn't allow you to map half a window.</p><p>So you have two options :<br>- You can move from one screen to another screen with a WM option, but no dragging allowed between screens. Some applications like Gimp can do that (View-&gt;Move to screen)</p><p>- A WM could implement independant workspaces in xinerama mode (I think DR17 does just that), and have some special set of rules for windows crossing screens (and workspaces) boundaries (like always shown, or tie with the workspace where most of the windows is located)</p></div>
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<tokenext>" -1 Does n't really know what xinerama + xrandr does " My bet is that and " -1 Does n't understand the question because poster OS / default Linux distribution setup does n't do that and poster ca n't think of more flexibility " There 's a flaw in X where you ca n't move windows between screens .
That you ca n't move them between displays makes sense ( from : 1.0 to : 2.0 for example ) , but between screens ( from : 0.1 to : 0.2 for example ) it should be allowed.Some tools try to get around that limitation ( Xpra , xmove , mentioned in other posts , that I did n't know of , so the thread is useful ; ) ) Then there 's that technical difficulty about windows crossing screen boundaries : Virtual workspace are only simulated by the window manager by mapping or unmapping windows.When a window crosses screen boundaries and you change your workspace on one screen , you get an interesting case because X does n't allow you to map half a window.So you have two options : - You can move from one screen to another screen with a WM option , but no dragging allowed between screens .
Some applications like Gimp can do that ( View- &gt; Move to screen ) - A WM could implement independant workspaces in xinerama mode ( I think DR17 does just that ) , and have some special set of rules for windows crossing screens ( and workspaces ) boundaries ( like always shown , or tie with the workspace where most of the windows is located )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"-1 Doesn't really know what xinerama+xrandr does"My bet is that and "-1 Doesn't understand the question because poster OS / default Linux distribution setup doesn't do that and poster can't think of more flexibility"There's a flaw in X where you can't move windows between screens.
That you can't move them between displays makes sense (from :1.0 to :2.0 for example), but between screens (from :0.1 to :0.2 for example) it should be allowed.Some tools try to get around that limitation (Xpra, xmove, mentioned in other posts, that I didn't know of, so the thread is useful ;) )Then there's that technical difficulty about windows crossing screen boundaries :Virtual workspace are only simulated by the window manager by mapping or unmapping windows.When a window crosses screen boundaries and you change your workspace on one screen, you get an interesting case because X doesn't allow you to map half a window.So you have two options :- You can move from one screen to another screen with a WM option, but no dragging allowed between screens.
Some applications like Gimp can do that (View-&gt;Move to screen)- A WM could implement independant workspaces in xinerama mode (I think DR17 does just that), and have some special set of rules for windows crossing screens (and workspaces) boundaries (like always shown, or tie with the workspace where most of the windows is located)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30943382</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264681560000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;  I need something in the middle &mdash; a separate workspace for each screen, so that I can have independent virtual desktops on each screen, but still have the ability to move applications between monitors (no need to strech one app across both of them).</p><p>It's best to state a complete scenario. Yours is missing the reasons why you would want to have such a configuration. Maybe people would strive harder if they knew the reason -- or give an alternative solution which does the same effect with a conventional two-screen single workspace (for instance).</p><p>That said, the old fvwm (and possibly also afterstep) differentiated the concept of workspaces and virtual desktops. Maybe some further investigation could help... or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I need something in the middle    a separate workspace for each screen , so that I can have independent virtual desktops on each screen , but still have the ability to move applications between monitors ( no need to strech one app across both of them ) .It 's best to state a complete scenario .
Yours is missing the reasons why you would want to have such a configuration .
Maybe people would strive harder if they knew the reason -- or give an alternative solution which does the same effect with a conventional two-screen single workspace ( for instance ) .That said , the old fvwm ( and possibly also afterstep ) differentiated the concept of workspaces and virtual desktops .
Maybe some further investigation could help... or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;  I need something in the middle — a separate workspace for each screen, so that I can have independent virtual desktops on each screen, but still have the ability to move applications between monitors (no need to strech one app across both of them).It's best to state a complete scenario.
Yours is missing the reasons why you would want to have such a configuration.
Maybe people would strive harder if they knew the reason -- or give an alternative solution which does the same effect with a conventional two-screen single workspace (for instance).That said, the old fvwm (and possibly also afterstep) differentiated the concept of workspaces and virtual desktops.
Maybe some further investigation could help... or not.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941034</id>
	<title>here...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264672860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p># nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings<br># nvidia-settings:  version 1.0  (buildmeister@builder63)  Tue Oct 20 21:01:12 PDT 2009</p><p>Section "ServerLayout"<br>
    Identifier     "Layout0"<br>
    Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0<br>
    Screen      1  "Screen1" 1280 0<br>
    Screen      2  "Screen2" 2560 0<br>
    InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"<br>
    InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"<br>
    Option         "Xinerama" "1"<br>EndSection</p><p>Section "Files"<br>
    FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/default/Type1"<br>EndSection</p><p>Section "InputDevice"<br>
    # generated from default<br>
    Identifier     "Mouse0"<br>
    Driver         "mouse"<br>
    Option         "Protocol" "auto"<br>
    Option         "Device" "/dev/input/mice"<br>
    Option         "Emulate3Buttons" "no"<br>
    Option         "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"<br>EndSection</p><p>Section "InputDevice"<br>
    # generated from data in "/etc/sysconfig/keyboard"<br>
    Identifier     "Keyboard0"<br>
    Driver         "kbd"<br>
    Option         "XkbLayout" "us"<br>
    Option         "XkbModel" "pc105"<br>EndSection</p><p>Section "Monitor"<br>
    # HorizSync source: edid, VertRefresh source: edid<br>
    Identifier     "Monitor0"<br>
    VendorName     "Unknown"<br>
    ModelName      "SceptreX9G-NagaV"<br>
    HorizSync       30.0 - 81.0<br>
    VertRefresh     40.0 - 76.0<br>
    Option         "DPMS"<br>EndSection</p><p>Section "Monitor"<br>
    # HorizSync source: edid, VertRefresh source: edid<br>
    Identifier     "Monitor1"<br>
    VendorName     "Unknown"<br>
    ModelName      "SceptreX9G-NagaV"<br>
    HorizSync       30.0 - 81.0<br>
    VertRefresh     40.0 - 76.0<br>
    Option         "DPMS"<br>EndSection</p><p>Section "Monitor"<br>
    # HorizSync source: edid, VertRefresh source: edid<br>
    Identifier     "Monitor2"<br>
    VendorName     "Unknown"<br>
    ModelName      "Acer X193W"<br>
    HorizSync       31.0 - 80.0<br>
    VertRefresh     56.0 - 76.0<br>
    Option         "DPMS"<br>EndSection</p><p>Section "Device"<br>
    Identifier     "Device0"<br>
    Driver         "nvidia"<br>
    VendorName     "NVIDIA Corporation"<br>
    BoardName      "GeForce 6200 LE"<br>
    BusID          "PCI:2:0:0"<br>
    Screen          0<br>EndSection</p><p>Section "Device"<br>
    Identifier     "Device1"<br>
    Driver         "nvidia"<br>
    VendorName     "NVIDIA Corporation"<br>
    BoardName      "GeForce 6200 LE"<br>
    BusID          "PCI:2:0:0"<br>
    Screen          1<br>EndSection</p><p>Section "Device"<br>
    Identifier     "Device2"<br>
    Driver         "nvidia"<br>
    VendorName     "NVIDIA Corporation"<br>
    BoardName      "GeForce 6</p></htmltext>
<tokenext># nvidia-settings : X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings # nvidia-settings : version 1.0 ( buildmeister @ builder63 ) Tue Oct 20 21 : 01 : 12 PDT 2009Section " ServerLayout " Identifier " Layout0 " Screen 0 " Screen0 " 0 0 Screen 1 " Screen1 " 1280 0 Screen 2 " Screen2 " 2560 0 InputDevice " Keyboard0 " " CoreKeyboard " InputDevice " Mouse0 " " CorePointer " Option " Xinerama " " 1 " EndSectionSection " Files " FontPath " /usr/share/fonts/default/Type1 " EndSectionSection " InputDevice " # generated from default Identifier " Mouse0 " Driver " mouse " Option " Protocol " " auto " Option " Device " " /dev/input/mice " Option " Emulate3Buttons " " no " Option " ZAxisMapping " " 4 5 " EndSectionSection " InputDevice " # generated from data in " /etc/sysconfig/keyboard " Identifier " Keyboard0 " Driver " kbd " Option " XkbLayout " " us " Option " XkbModel " " pc105 " EndSectionSection " Monitor " # HorizSync source : edid , VertRefresh source : edid Identifier " Monitor0 " VendorName " Unknown " ModelName " SceptreX9G-NagaV " HorizSync 30.0 - 81.0 VertRefresh 40.0 - 76.0 Option " DPMS " EndSectionSection " Monitor " # HorizSync source : edid , VertRefresh source : edid Identifier " Monitor1 " VendorName " Unknown " ModelName " SceptreX9G-NagaV " HorizSync 30.0 - 81.0 VertRefresh 40.0 - 76.0 Option " DPMS " EndSectionSection " Monitor " # HorizSync source : edid , VertRefresh source : edid Identifier " Monitor2 " VendorName " Unknown " ModelName " Acer X193W " HorizSync 31.0 - 80.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 76.0 Option " DPMS " EndSectionSection " Device " Identifier " Device0 " Driver " nvidia " VendorName " NVIDIA Corporation " BoardName " GeForce 6200 LE " BusID " PCI : 2 : 0 : 0 " Screen 0EndSectionSection " Device " Identifier " Device1 " Driver " nvidia " VendorName " NVIDIA Corporation " BoardName " GeForce 6200 LE " BusID " PCI : 2 : 0 : 0 " Screen 1EndSectionSection " Device " Identifier " Device2 " Driver " nvidia " VendorName " NVIDIA Corporation " BoardName " GeForce 6</tokentext>
<sentencetext># nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings# nvidia-settings:  version 1.0  (buildmeister@builder63)  Tue Oct 20 21:01:12 PDT 2009Section "ServerLayout"
    Identifier     "Layout0"
    Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
    Screen      1  "Screen1" 1280 0
    Screen      2  "Screen2" 2560 0
    InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
    InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
    Option         "Xinerama" "1"EndSectionSection "Files"
    FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/default/Type1"EndSectionSection "InputDevice"
    # generated from default
    Identifier     "Mouse0"
    Driver         "mouse"
    Option         "Protocol" "auto"
    Option         "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
    Option         "Emulate3Buttons" "no"
    Option         "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"EndSectionSection "InputDevice"
    # generated from data in "/etc/sysconfig/keyboard"
    Identifier     "Keyboard0"
    Driver         "kbd"
    Option         "XkbLayout" "us"
    Option         "XkbModel" "pc105"EndSectionSection "Monitor"
    # HorizSync source: edid, VertRefresh source: edid
    Identifier     "Monitor0"
    VendorName     "Unknown"
    ModelName      "SceptreX9G-NagaV"
    HorizSync       30.0 - 81.0
    VertRefresh     40.0 - 76.0
    Option         "DPMS"EndSectionSection "Monitor"
    # HorizSync source: edid, VertRefresh source: edid
    Identifier     "Monitor1"
    VendorName     "Unknown"
    ModelName      "SceptreX9G-NagaV"
    HorizSync       30.0 - 81.0
    VertRefresh     40.0 - 76.0
    Option         "DPMS"EndSectionSection "Monitor"
    # HorizSync source: edid, VertRefresh source: edid
    Identifier     "Monitor2"
    VendorName     "Unknown"
    ModelName      "Acer X193W"
    HorizSync       31.0 - 80.0
    VertRefresh     56.0 - 76.0
    Option         "DPMS"EndSectionSection "Device"
    Identifier     "Device0"
    Driver         "nvidia"
    VendorName     "NVIDIA Corporation"
    BoardName      "GeForce 6200 LE"
    BusID          "PCI:2:0:0"
    Screen          0EndSectionSection "Device"
    Identifier     "Device1"
    Driver         "nvidia"
    VendorName     "NVIDIA Corporation"
    BoardName      "GeForce 6200 LE"
    BusID          "PCI:2:0:0"
    Screen          1EndSectionSection "Device"
    Identifier     "Device2"
    Driver         "nvidia"
    VendorName     "NVIDIA Corporation"
    BoardName      "GeForce 6</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30943902</id>
	<title>Re:xinerama and xrandr</title>
	<author>ThinkOfaNumber</author>
	<datestamp>1264684560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>xinerama + xrandr does not solve the question posed by the OP.</p></div><p>Yes it does.</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... or a separate screen on each monitor which does not allow moving windows between screens).</p><p>OP wants two monitors with their own separate workspaces,</p></div><p>Xinerama.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>while still being able to drag windows between them</i>.</p></div><p>Xinerama</p><p><div class="quote"><p>In other words, OP wants to be able to transfer running applications between separate X screens,</p></div><p>No he doesn't.  You implied separate X screens.  The OP just wanted separate virtual desktop switching.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> which to my knowledge is not currently possible (or, if it's possible, the functionality is not exposed in Gnome or KDE).</p></div><p>Xinerama</p><p><div class="quote"><p>This isn't "+1 Insightful", it's "-1 Didn't bother reading the OP" (or "-1 Doesn't really know what xinerama+xrandr does").</p></div><p>There are two types of xinerama.  X xinerama, and nvidia xinerama.  nvidia's xinerama is provided so that nvidia twinview (which fools X into thinking you only have one monitor) doesn't make windows maximise across two screens and dialogs pop up in the centre.  You can use the original X xinerama without using nvidia's twinview which gives you separate virtual desktops and everything the OP wants.  X sees the two monitors and uses it's own xinerama.</p><p>xinerama is understood by metacity, compiz, wine, tvtime, mplayer, xscreensaver, and a whole host of other programs.  Even if they don't, it's usually sufficient for the window manager to handle it.</p></div>
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<tokenext>xinerama + xrandr does not solve the question posed by the OP.Yes it does .
... or a separate screen on each monitor which does not allow moving windows between screens ) .OP wants two monitors with their own separate workspaces,Xinerama .
while still being able to drag windows between them.XineramaIn other words , OP wants to be able to transfer running applications between separate X screens,No he does n't .
You implied separate X screens .
The OP just wanted separate virtual desktop switching .
which to my knowledge is not currently possible ( or , if it 's possible , the functionality is not exposed in Gnome or KDE ) .XineramaThis is n't " + 1 Insightful " , it 's " -1 Did n't bother reading the OP " ( or " -1 Does n't really know what xinerama + xrandr does " ) .There are two types of xinerama .
X xinerama , and nvidia xinerama .
nvidia 's xinerama is provided so that nvidia twinview ( which fools X into thinking you only have one monitor ) does n't make windows maximise across two screens and dialogs pop up in the centre .
You can use the original X xinerama without using nvidia 's twinview which gives you separate virtual desktops and everything the OP wants .
X sees the two monitors and uses it 's own xinerama.xinerama is understood by metacity , compiz , wine , tvtime , mplayer , xscreensaver , and a whole host of other programs .
Even if they do n't , it 's usually sufficient for the window manager to handle it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>xinerama + xrandr does not solve the question posed by the OP.Yes it does.
... or a separate screen on each monitor which does not allow moving windows between screens).OP wants two monitors with their own separate workspaces,Xinerama.
while still being able to drag windows between them.XineramaIn other words, OP wants to be able to transfer running applications between separate X screens,No he doesn't.
You implied separate X screens.
The OP just wanted separate virtual desktop switching.
which to my knowledge is not currently possible (or, if it's possible, the functionality is not exposed in Gnome or KDE).XineramaThis isn't "+1 Insightful", it's "-1 Didn't bother reading the OP" (or "-1 Doesn't really know what xinerama+xrandr does").There are two types of xinerama.
X xinerama, and nvidia xinerama.
nvidia's xinerama is provided so that nvidia twinview (which fools X into thinking you only have one monitor) doesn't make windows maximise across two screens and dialogs pop up in the centre.
You can use the original X xinerama without using nvidia's twinview which gives you separate virtual desktops and everything the OP wants.
X sees the two monitors and uses it's own xinerama.xinerama is understood by metacity, compiz, wine, tvtime, mplayer, xscreensaver, and a whole host of other programs.
Even if they don't, it's usually sufficient for the window manager to handle it.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30946966</id>
	<title>Re:Have You Actually Tried It?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264756740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>no, he'd probably not have to dick around switching both at the same time<br>independent switch is handy when you have several code sets on one screen and several doc sets on the other, that need to be switched independently</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>no , he 'd probably not have to dick around switching both at the same timeindependent switch is handy when you have several code sets on one screen and several doc sets on the other , that need to be switched independently</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no, he'd probably not have to dick around switching both at the same timeindependent switch is handy when you have several code sets on one screen and several doc sets on the other, that need to be switched independently</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30943244</id>
	<title>iTALC</title>
	<author>technosaurus</author>
	<datestamp>1264680780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had enquired about this during early KDE4 development - more specifically being able to share individual virtual desktops with one user per virtual desktop.  This was for a school setting so that a teacher could help students directly from the desktop.  This would have drastically reduced system requirements for a classroom setting, but basically the response was NO! what a waste of effort - that is useless.  Fortunately iTALC provides most of this functionality but has a larger footprint than I was looking for, however it is probably suitable to your purposes.<br>(student=1 workspace)(teacher=all/any workspaces)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Linux kernel 2.6.33 will bring kernel shared memory &amp; I too can use iTALC</p><p><a href="http://italc.sourceforge.net//" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">http://italc.sourceforge.net//</a> [sourceforge.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had enquired about this during early KDE4 development - more specifically being able to share individual virtual desktops with one user per virtual desktop .
This was for a school setting so that a teacher could help students directly from the desktop .
This would have drastically reduced system requirements for a classroom setting , but basically the response was NO !
what a waste of effort - that is useless .
Fortunately iTALC provides most of this functionality but has a larger footprint than I was looking for , however it is probably suitable to your purposes .
( student = 1 workspace ) ( teacher = all/any workspaces ) ... Linux kernel 2.6.33 will bring kernel shared memory &amp; I too can use iTALChttp : //italc.sourceforge.net// [ sourceforge.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had enquired about this during early KDE4 development - more specifically being able to share individual virtual desktops with one user per virtual desktop.
This was for a school setting so that a teacher could help students directly from the desktop.
This would have drastically reduced system requirements for a classroom setting, but basically the response was NO!
what a waste of effort - that is useless.
Fortunately iTALC provides most of this functionality but has a larger footprint than I was looking for, however it is probably suitable to your purposes.
(student=1 workspace)(teacher=all/any workspaces) ... Linux kernel 2.6.33 will bring kernel shared memory &amp; I too can use iTALChttp://italc.sourceforge.net// [sourceforge.net]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941892</id>
	<title>All Hail the Idiot Who Summons the Google Warrior</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264675620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; Has anybody else noticed that when you "google" a problem, you might get an answer and if your really lucky, it the answer you need.</p><p>
&nbsp; A good portion of the "answers" are from script kiddies or cut, pasted from older distros or answers that leaves you more confounded. Like googling the "perfect fedora 12 desktop" on<br>
&nbsp; the latest ASUS boards with Nividia controllers. Go ahead and try it, then ask dear Falko why isn't there any display after the initial load? Looks like it time to "google" that problem as well,<br>but damn! You knocked out your computer what are you going to do?</p><p>A. "Well I have a duel-boot microsoft system" or "I'll use the little ole microsoft computer over here in the computer" In which case you are a hertic scum and still a noob!</p><p>or</p><p>B. "No problem, I'll call the local LUG" or open the old maunels. In which case you are a zealot scum still living in his moms basement!</p><p>In either case it will lead you to the solution of, "No display, because the drivers haven't been written"</p><p>So what do you do?</p><p>You could post on the craigslist Linux forms, but isn't that using yourself for chum in a shark tank? You could also post where the intelligent people are! Usually that Slashdot, but not today</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>  Has anybody else noticed that when you " google " a problem , you might get an answer and if your really lucky , it the answer you need .
  A good portion of the " answers " are from script kiddies or cut , pasted from older distros or answers that leaves you more confounded .
Like googling the " perfect fedora 12 desktop " on   the latest ASUS boards with Nividia controllers .
Go ahead and try it , then ask dear Falko why is n't there any display after the initial load ?
Looks like it time to " google " that problem as well,but damn !
You knocked out your computer what are you going to do ? A .
" Well I have a duel-boot microsoft system " or " I 'll use the little ole microsoft computer over here in the computer " In which case you are a hertic scum and still a noob ! orB .
" No problem , I 'll call the local LUG " or open the old maunels .
In which case you are a zealot scum still living in his moms basement ! In either case it will lead you to the solution of , " No display , because the drivers have n't been written " So what do you do ? You could post on the craigslist Linux forms , but is n't that using yourself for chum in a shark tank ?
You could also post where the intelligent people are !
Usually that Slashdot , but not today</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
  Has anybody else noticed that when you "google" a problem, you might get an answer and if your really lucky, it the answer you need.
  A good portion of the "answers" are from script kiddies or cut, pasted from older distros or answers that leaves you more confounded.
Like googling the "perfect fedora 12 desktop" on
  the latest ASUS boards with Nividia controllers.
Go ahead and try it, then ask dear Falko why isn't there any display after the initial load?
Looks like it time to "google" that problem as well,but damn!
You knocked out your computer what are you going to do?A.
"Well I have a duel-boot microsoft system" or "I'll use the little ole microsoft computer over here in the computer" In which case you are a hertic scum and still a noob!orB.
"No problem, I'll call the local LUG" or open the old maunels.
In which case you are a zealot scum still living in his moms basement!In either case it will lead you to the solution of, "No display, because the drivers haven't been written"So what do you do?You could post on the craigslist Linux forms, but isn't that using yourself for chum in a shark tank?
You could also post where the intelligent people are!
Usually that Slashdot, but not today</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941590</id>
	<title>VirtualBox</title>
	<author>carbuck</author>
	<datestamp>1264674600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Use VirtualBox and put the guest OS on the 2nd monitor. You'll have 2 workspaces and the ability to drag and drop</htmltext>
<tokenext>Use VirtualBox and put the guest OS on the 2nd monitor .
You 'll have 2 workspaces and the ability to drag and drop</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use VirtualBox and put the guest OS on the 2nd monitor.
You'll have 2 workspaces and the ability to drag and drop</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30958674</id>
	<title>XMONAD does it, but it's a tiling WM</title>
	<author>SparkGapTransmitter</author>
	<datestamp>1264779720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use the xmonad window manager, which does exactly what you want.  The thing that will disqualify it in this case is that it is a tiling window manager.  I use two displays.  Each display is independent, but windows can be<br>moved between displays, or span displays. I can switch to another workspace on one display, without<br>affecting the other display. Any workspace can be shown on any display.</p><p>If KDE does this now, as others seem to indicate, I might consider switching to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use the xmonad window manager , which does exactly what you want .
The thing that will disqualify it in this case is that it is a tiling window manager .
I use two displays .
Each display is independent , but windows can bemoved between displays , or span displays .
I can switch to another workspace on one display , withoutaffecting the other display .
Any workspace can be shown on any display.If KDE does this now , as others seem to indicate , I might consider switching to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use the xmonad window manager, which does exactly what you want.
The thing that will disqualify it in this case is that it is a tiling window manager.
I use two displays.
Each display is independent, but windows can bemoved between displays, or span displays.
I can switch to another workspace on one display, withoutaffecting the other display.
Any workspace can be shown on any display.If KDE does this now, as others seem to indicate, I might consider switching to it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30944104</id>
	<title>Re:gnome is just fine.</title>
	<author>raddan</author>
	<datestamp>1264685880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Do all the windows on both screens change?</p></div><p>Yes, using GNOME and the NVidia driver.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do all the windows on both screens change ? Yes , using GNOME and the NVidia driver .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do all the windows on both screens change?Yes, using GNOME and the NVidia driver.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942176</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30947442</id>
	<title>Re:4 monitors - one desktop - here's how</title>
	<author>Dr\_Barnowl</author>
	<datestamp>1264763340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can configure Chrome to show the system borders in the "Personal Stuff" settings tab, or right click on the border and check the box. Alas, it looks considerably less pretty. It would be good if it merged the system menu into it's own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can configure Chrome to show the system borders in the " Personal Stuff " settings tab , or right click on the border and check the box .
Alas , it looks considerably less pretty .
It would be good if it merged the system menu into it 's own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can configure Chrome to show the system borders in the "Personal Stuff" settings tab, or right click on the border and check the box.
Alas, it looks considerably less pretty.
It would be good if it merged the system menu into it's own.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940328</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30950590</id>
	<title>Re:Google</title>
	<author>Spaseboy</author>
	<datestamp>1264785540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not everyone wants to search Google, check all those pages, try to set it up and fail, search Google for a solution, tweak the settings, find out the card you are using is incompatible...</p><p>We get that you are a geek and love to use Google but some people like to ask knowledgeable people a question and get an informed and CONCISE answer. If it irritated you so much to answer the question, maybe you just should not have answered it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not everyone wants to search Google , check all those pages , try to set it up and fail , search Google for a solution , tweak the settings , find out the card you are using is incompatible...We get that you are a geek and love to use Google but some people like to ask knowledgeable people a question and get an informed and CONCISE answer .
If it irritated you so much to answer the question , maybe you just should not have answered it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not everyone wants to search Google, check all those pages, try to set it up and fail, search Google for a solution, tweak the settings, find out the card you are using is incompatible...We get that you are a geek and love to use Google but some people like to ask knowledgeable people a question and get an informed and CONCISE answer.
If it irritated you so much to answer the question, maybe you just should not have answered it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940242</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941818</id>
	<title>even jwm supports all of this and only ~100kb</title>
	<author>technosaurus</author>
	<datestamp>1264675380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find it really hard to believe that the bloated desktop environments do not have the same capability that the minimal jwm (joe's window manager) has, but maybe so.  In jwm just right click on the top of the window and send it to whatever "desktop" you want.  It is not even limited to 2 desktops/monitors and jwm is available in every distro from TinyCore and Puppy(default wm) to Ubuntu and Suse.</p><p>Here is a thread to on the Puppy forum to use jwm as your complete desktop environment.<br><a href="http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=51200/" title="murga-linux.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=51200/</a> [murga-linux.com]</p><p>And jwm's homepage<br><a href="http://joewing.net/programs/jwm/" title="joewing.net" rel="nofollow">http://joewing.net/programs/jwm/</a> [joewing.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it really hard to believe that the bloated desktop environments do not have the same capability that the minimal jwm ( joe 's window manager ) has , but maybe so .
In jwm just right click on the top of the window and send it to whatever " desktop " you want .
It is not even limited to 2 desktops/monitors and jwm is available in every distro from TinyCore and Puppy ( default wm ) to Ubuntu and Suse.Here is a thread to on the Puppy forum to use jwm as your complete desktop environment.http : //www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php ? t = 51200/ [ murga-linux.com ] And jwm 's homepagehttp : //joewing.net/programs/jwm/ [ joewing.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find it really hard to believe that the bloated desktop environments do not have the same capability that the minimal jwm (joe's window manager) has, but maybe so.
In jwm just right click on the top of the window and send it to whatever "desktop" you want.
It is not even limited to 2 desktops/monitors and jwm is available in every distro from TinyCore and Puppy(default wm) to Ubuntu and Suse.Here is a thread to on the Puppy forum to use jwm as your complete desktop environment.http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=51200/ [murga-linux.com]And jwm's homepagehttp://joewing.net/programs/jwm/ [joewing.net]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940734</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940876</id>
	<title>Re:Google</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264672380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>+1 Snarky Asshole</htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1 Snarky Asshole</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+1 Snarky Asshole</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940242</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940522</id>
	<title>recommending: Awesome WM</title>
	<author>kingair\_six</author>
	<datestamp>1264671420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>presuming you have some linux experience (else you might not find your way around it), awesome windows manager is a great solution and can definetely do what you want.

it features 9 "tags" - virtual desktops basically, but is completely configurable via a lua script. each monitor will automatically be controlled without difficult setup and it worked "out of the box" for me - except for the laborious install process;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>presuming you have some linux experience ( else you might not find your way around it ) , awesome windows manager is a great solution and can definetely do what you want .
it features 9 " tags " - virtual desktops basically , but is completely configurable via a lua script .
each monitor will automatically be controlled without difficult setup and it worked " out of the box " for me - except for the laborious install process ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>presuming you have some linux experience (else you might not find your way around it), awesome windows manager is a great solution and can definetely do what you want.
it features 9 "tags" - virtual desktops basically, but is completely configurable via a lua script.
each monitor will automatically be controlled without difficult setup and it worked "out of the box" for me - except for the laborious install process;)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940242</id>
	<title>Google</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264670640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>30 seconds with Google points me to</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xpra" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xpra</a> [wikipedia.org]<br>xpra or X Persistent Remote Applications is a tool which allows you to run X programs usually on a remote host and then direct their display to your local machine without losing any state. It differs from standard X forwarding  in that it allows disconnection and reconnection without disrupting the forwarded application</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmove" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmove</a> [wikipedia.org]<br>xmove is a computer program that allows the movement of X Window System applications between different displays and the persistence of X applications across X server restarts[3]. It solves a problem in the design of X, where an X client (an X application) is tied to the X server (X display) it was started on for its lifetime. Also, if the X server is shut down, the client application is forced to stop running.</p><p>Have you investigated any of these before 'asking<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.'?</p><p>I'd fire up a second X session on your machine - you can run multiple instances of X with a single monitor after all, and try moving apps between your sessions. Get that to work and everything should be (mostly) trivial after you get your new monitor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>30 seconds with Google points me tohttp : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xpra [ wikipedia.org ] xpra or X Persistent Remote Applications is a tool which allows you to run X programs usually on a remote host and then direct their display to your local machine without losing any state .
It differs from standard X forwarding in that it allows disconnection and reconnection without disrupting the forwarded applicationhttp : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmove [ wikipedia.org ] xmove is a computer program that allows the movement of X Window System applications between different displays and the persistence of X applications across X server restarts [ 3 ] .
It solves a problem in the design of X , where an X client ( an X application ) is tied to the X server ( X display ) it was started on for its lifetime .
Also , if the X server is shut down , the client application is forced to stop running.Have you investigated any of these before 'asking / .
' ? I 'd fire up a second X session on your machine - you can run multiple instances of X with a single monitor after all , and try moving apps between your sessions .
Get that to work and everything should be ( mostly ) trivial after you get your new monitor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>30 seconds with Google points me tohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xpra [wikipedia.org]xpra or X Persistent Remote Applications is a tool which allows you to run X programs usually on a remote host and then direct their display to your local machine without losing any state.
It differs from standard X forwarding  in that it allows disconnection and reconnection without disrupting the forwarded applicationhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmove [wikipedia.org]xmove is a computer program that allows the movement of X Window System applications between different displays and the persistence of X applications across X server restarts[3].
It solves a problem in the design of X, where an X client (an X application) is tied to the X server (X display) it was started on for its lifetime.
Also, if the X server is shut down, the client application is forced to stop running.Have you investigated any of these before 'asking /.
'?I'd fire up a second X session on your machine - you can run multiple instances of X with a single monitor after all, and try moving apps between your sessions.
Get that to work and everything should be (mostly) trivial after you get your new monitor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941828</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>sowth</author>
	<datestamp>1264675380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you would have bothered to read the entire summary, you'd know it was a limitation of KDE/Gnome, not Linux nor the X Window System nor all window managers.

</p><p>Maybe Microsoft should add reading to their MCSE program, but then all the losers would cry: "This is too hard!" I hope you are having fun trying to pay off your $30k loan by working "tech support" for the Postal Service or Burger King.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you would have bothered to read the entire summary , you 'd know it was a limitation of KDE/Gnome , not Linux nor the X Window System nor all window managers .
Maybe Microsoft should add reading to their MCSE program , but then all the losers would cry : " This is too hard !
" I hope you are having fun trying to pay off your $ 30k loan by working " tech support " for the Postal Service or Burger King .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you would have bothered to read the entire summary, you'd know it was a limitation of KDE/Gnome, not Linux nor the X Window System nor all window managers.
Maybe Microsoft should add reading to their MCSE program, but then all the losers would cry: "This is too hard!
" I hope you are having fun trying to pay off your $30k loan by working "tech support" for the Postal Service or Burger King.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941490</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940060</id>
	<title>Gentoo?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264670220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use Gentoo; how does this affect me?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Gentoo ; how does this affect me ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Gentoo; how does this affect me?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942284</id>
	<title>It works in Big Desktop mode with ATI driver</title>
	<author>jml75</author>
	<datestamp>1264676820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What you want wirks fine with Big Desktop using the ATI propriatairy driver and VirtualBox VM in full screen in one monitor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What you want wirks fine with Big Desktop using the ATI propriatairy driver and VirtualBox VM in full screen in one monitor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you want wirks fine with Big Desktop using the ATI propriatairy driver and VirtualBox VM in full screen in one monitor.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30945458</id>
	<title>Re:neither mirrored nor spanned</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264697700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Could what he is asking for be provided for by, to use KDE terminology, a spanned desktop with multiple Panels (the thingy usually at the bottom of the screen that has icons for frequently-used applications)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could what he is asking for be provided for by , to use KDE terminology , a spanned desktop with multiple Panels ( the thingy usually at the bottom of the screen that has icons for frequently-used applications ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could what he is asking for be provided for by, to use KDE terminology, a spanned desktop with multiple Panels (the thingy usually at the bottom of the screen that has icons for frequently-used applications)?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940308</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30943696</id>
	<title>6 Monitors - Ubuntu 8.04 - Compiz Fusion - XGL NVI</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264683420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>6 Monitors - Ubuntu 8.04 - Compiz Fusion - XGL NVIDIA Working!<br>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=884161</p><p>im running 3 monitors (24' 1920*1080) on kubuntu 9.10 kde4.3 with effects.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>6 Monitors - Ubuntu 8.04 - Compiz Fusion - XGL NVIDIA Working ! http : //ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php ? t = 884161im running 3 monitors ( 24 ' 1920 * 1080 ) on kubuntu 9.10 kde4.3 with effects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>6 Monitors - Ubuntu 8.04 - Compiz Fusion - XGL NVIDIA Working!http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=884161im running 3 monitors (24' 1920*1080) on kubuntu 9.10 kde4.3 with effects.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30947396</id>
	<title>Re:4 Screens</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264762560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I have 4 screen using 2 nvida 9500 cards and KDE.</p></div><p>OMG - please tell me your contracts start with a blowjob !?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have 4 screen using 2 nvida 9500 cards and KDE.OMG - please tell me your contracts start with a blowjob !
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have 4 screen using 2 nvida 9500 cards and KDE.OMG - please tell me your contracts start with a blowjob !
?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940202</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941086</id>
	<title>Re:Enlightenment</title>
	<author>shawn(at)fsu</author>
	<datestamp>1264673040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thanks for the link, I've wanted this ability for a long long time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for the link , I 've wanted this ability for a long long time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for the link, I've wanted this ability for a long long time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940338</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30943614</id>
	<title>Re:Have You Actually Tried It?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264682940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know I don't an exact answer to the OPs question.</p><p>I am using xmonad, and I have to say being able to swap a virtual desktop between monitors is a great feature.</p><p>I often just want to swap all windows from my left monitor to the right. At first this sounds confusing, but if you get used to it you can exploit this behaviour. Imagine you have 2 monitors and 3 desktops with useful items. Instead of using two virtual desktops that span over both monitors and have your windows prearranged per desktop. You can just see either (1,3) or (2,3) or maybe (2,1) and then switch to (3,1).</p><p>The same scenario in a 2 virtual desktops with 2 monitors ends up in being awkward.<br>If you've got (1,2) and want to see (2,3), you swap windows between 1 and 3 and that will go well. But if you want so see (3,2) then you are forced to swap all windows from one monitor to the other and move windows from one virtual desktop to the other.</p><p>Actually I am not quite happy with the way xmonad actually handles fullscreen, but it handles windows and virtual desktops by far better than anything else. I indeed crave for an answer to the posters question, as I might switch then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know I do n't an exact answer to the OPs question.I am using xmonad , and I have to say being able to swap a virtual desktop between monitors is a great feature.I often just want to swap all windows from my left monitor to the right .
At first this sounds confusing , but if you get used to it you can exploit this behaviour .
Imagine you have 2 monitors and 3 desktops with useful items .
Instead of using two virtual desktops that span over both monitors and have your windows prearranged per desktop .
You can just see either ( 1,3 ) or ( 2,3 ) or maybe ( 2,1 ) and then switch to ( 3,1 ) .The same scenario in a 2 virtual desktops with 2 monitors ends up in being awkward.If you 've got ( 1,2 ) and want to see ( 2,3 ) , you swap windows between 1 and 3 and that will go well .
But if you want so see ( 3,2 ) then you are forced to swap all windows from one monitor to the other and move windows from one virtual desktop to the other.Actually I am not quite happy with the way xmonad actually handles fullscreen , but it handles windows and virtual desktops by far better than anything else .
I indeed crave for an answer to the posters question , as I might switch then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know I don't an exact answer to the OPs question.I am using xmonad, and I have to say being able to swap a virtual desktop between monitors is a great feature.I often just want to swap all windows from my left monitor to the right.
At first this sounds confusing, but if you get used to it you can exploit this behaviour.
Imagine you have 2 monitors and 3 desktops with useful items.
Instead of using two virtual desktops that span over both monitors and have your windows prearranged per desktop.
You can just see either (1,3) or (2,3) or maybe (2,1) and then switch to (3,1).The same scenario in a 2 virtual desktops with 2 monitors ends up in being awkward.If you've got (1,2) and want to see (2,3), you swap windows between 1 and 3 and that will go well.
But if you want so see (3,2) then you are forced to swap all windows from one monitor to the other and move windows from one virtual desktop to the other.Actually I am not quite happy with the way xmonad actually handles fullscreen, but it handles windows and virtual desktops by far better than anything else.
I indeed crave for an answer to the posters question, as I might switch then.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940992</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942884</id>
	<title>Xorg.conf</title>
	<author>wolf1oo</author>
	<datestamp>1264679100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I imagine you could probably do some black magic in the xorg configuration file.

Upon glancing through the man pages, I think you can set up multiple "screens" in the "ServerLayout" section.
The screens themselves would only differ in the "Monitor" setting, where you could point it to each different monitor. But they can use the same graphics card.

I'm not positive, but this may produce the results that you are going for. It may be better than any programs to send X applications between two separate X servers.
Hope this helps!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I imagine you could probably do some black magic in the xorg configuration file .
Upon glancing through the man pages , I think you can set up multiple " screens " in the " ServerLayout " section .
The screens themselves would only differ in the " Monitor " setting , where you could point it to each different monitor .
But they can use the same graphics card .
I 'm not positive , but this may produce the results that you are going for .
It may be better than any programs to send X applications between two separate X servers .
Hope this helps !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I imagine you could probably do some black magic in the xorg configuration file.
Upon glancing through the man pages, I think you can set up multiple "screens" in the "ServerLayout" section.
The screens themselves would only differ in the "Monitor" setting, where you could point it to each different monitor.
But they can use the same graphics card.
I'm not positive, but this may produce the results that you are going for.
It may be better than any programs to send X applications between two separate X servers.
Hope this helps!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30943226</id>
	<title>Re:neither mirrored nor spanned</title>
	<author>tinkerghost</author>
	<datestamp>1264680720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Good luck, haven't seen it. What you want is sufficiently unusual that there may not be anything that provides it.</p></div></blockquote><p>I find it a bit interesting that this request is considered unusual. I have to agree with the other posters who've said it really seems like a natural evolution to the whole workspace concept. If I have the ability to create 4, 6, 8, whatever workspaces, it would seem to be common sense that I might want to place different ones on different monitors.
</p><p>Along with several other people here, I have looked into this issue for exactly the same reasons as the OP:
</p><ul> <li>I didn't want to have 1 desktop stretched over both monitors because changing workspaces would clear the 2nd monitor of the windows I was trying to keep visible.</li>
<li>I didn't want to run 2 instances of X because I can't open a window in one screen, work with it, and then shove it to the other screen to keep my eye on it.</li>
</ul><p>Ultimately, I went with the 2 instances of X, but it is still not optimal.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good luck , have n't seen it .
What you want is sufficiently unusual that there may not be anything that provides it.I find it a bit interesting that this request is considered unusual .
I have to agree with the other posters who 've said it really seems like a natural evolution to the whole workspace concept .
If I have the ability to create 4 , 6 , 8 , whatever workspaces , it would seem to be common sense that I might want to place different ones on different monitors .
Along with several other people here , I have looked into this issue for exactly the same reasons as the OP : I did n't want to have 1 desktop stretched over both monitors because changing workspaces would clear the 2nd monitor of the windows I was trying to keep visible .
I did n't want to run 2 instances of X because I ca n't open a window in one screen , work with it , and then shove it to the other screen to keep my eye on it .
Ultimately , I went with the 2 instances of X , but it is still not optimal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good luck, haven't seen it.
What you want is sufficiently unusual that there may not be anything that provides it.I find it a bit interesting that this request is considered unusual.
I have to agree with the other posters who've said it really seems like a natural evolution to the whole workspace concept.
If I have the ability to create 4, 6, 8, whatever workspaces, it would seem to be common sense that I might want to place different ones on different monitors.
Along with several other people here, I have looked into this issue for exactly the same reasons as the OP:
 I didn't want to have 1 desktop stretched over both monitors because changing workspaces would clear the 2nd monitor of the windows I was trying to keep visible.
I didn't want to run 2 instances of X because I can't open a window in one screen, work with it, and then shove it to the other screen to keep my eye on it.
Ultimately, I went with the 2 instances of X, but it is still not optimal.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940344</id>
	<title>My setup</title>
	<author>morgandelra</author>
	<datestamp>1264671000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use nvidia twinview on the monitors with Gnome. I also have 3 virtual desktops that I access via edge flipping on the vertical axis. I find this workas alot better than arranging the flipping on the sides with 2 large monitors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use nvidia twinview on the monitors with Gnome .
I also have 3 virtual desktops that I access via edge flipping on the vertical axis .
I find this workas alot better than arranging the flipping on the sides with 2 large monitors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use nvidia twinview on the monitors with Gnome.
I also have 3 virtual desktops that I access via edge flipping on the vertical axis.
I find this workas alot better than arranging the flipping on the sides with 2 large monitors.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941150</id>
	<title>Re:Google</title>
	<author>ArtInvent</author>
	<datestamp>1264673160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>You know, I've messed with multiple monitors enough on Linux for a few years to know that just about anything is possible, but it's not always easy. At all. I think this is a very valid question to ask<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. because he is certainly trying to do something that's not at all 'out of the box' with the simple multimonitor support in things like nvidia-settings or Xinerama or whatever. In fact, some of the responses I've read seem to indicate that exactly what he's after isn't actually possible.

I recently *finally* figured out how to account for overscan on my HDTV. It involved a custom metamode line and other junk in xorg.conf, quite a lot of Google hunting, a very specialized Windows-only monitor analysis app, and mathematics to arrive at the value. A LOT of stuff that other OS's can do with a nice onscreen GUI are still not even close on Linux.

Google does not give you answers. It gives you data and tons of it. And I have no idea what to say to people who take the time to read these questions and get offended that they were asked, and bother to answer them (incorrectly) along with an insulting rtfm or something. No one really forced you to read or respond to anything. You're wasting your own time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , I 've messed with multiple monitors enough on Linux for a few years to know that just about anything is possible , but it 's not always easy .
At all .
I think this is a very valid question to ask / .
because he is certainly trying to do something that 's not at all 'out of the box ' with the simple multimonitor support in things like nvidia-settings or Xinerama or whatever .
In fact , some of the responses I 've read seem to indicate that exactly what he 's after is n't actually possible .
I recently * finally * figured out how to account for overscan on my HDTV .
It involved a custom metamode line and other junk in xorg.conf , quite a lot of Google hunting , a very specialized Windows-only monitor analysis app , and mathematics to arrive at the value .
A LOT of stuff that other OS 's can do with a nice onscreen GUI are still not even close on Linux .
Google does not give you answers .
It gives you data and tons of it .
And I have no idea what to say to people who take the time to read these questions and get offended that they were asked , and bother to answer them ( incorrectly ) along with an insulting rtfm or something .
No one really forced you to read or respond to anything .
You 're wasting your own time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, I've messed with multiple monitors enough on Linux for a few years to know that just about anything is possible, but it's not always easy.
At all.
I think this is a very valid question to ask /.
because he is certainly trying to do something that's not at all 'out of the box' with the simple multimonitor support in things like nvidia-settings or Xinerama or whatever.
In fact, some of the responses I've read seem to indicate that exactly what he's after isn't actually possible.
I recently *finally* figured out how to account for overscan on my HDTV.
It involved a custom metamode line and other junk in xorg.conf, quite a lot of Google hunting, a very specialized Windows-only monitor analysis app, and mathematics to arrive at the value.
A LOT of stuff that other OS's can do with a nice onscreen GUI are still not even close on Linux.
Google does not give you answers.
It gives you data and tons of it.
And I have no idea what to say to people who take the time to read these questions and get offended that they were asked, and bother to answer them (incorrectly) along with an insulting rtfm or something.
No one really forced you to read or respond to anything.
You're wasting your own time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30943886</id>
	<title>Re:Google</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1264684440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is a <b>vast</b> difference between "found some keyword hits on google", vs., "I have used XYZ extensively and let me tell you what they <i>don't</i> mention on the homepage."  It's no different than if you asked around work for a good auto mechanic and somebody said, "hey dummy, they're right here in the yellowpages!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a vast difference between " found some keyword hits on google " , vs. , " I have used XYZ extensively and let me tell you what they do n't mention on the homepage .
" It 's no different than if you asked around work for a good auto mechanic and somebody said , " hey dummy , they 're right here in the yellowpages !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a vast difference between "found some keyword hits on google", vs., "I have used XYZ extensively and let me tell you what they don't mention on the homepage.
"  It's no different than if you asked around work for a good auto mechanic and somebody said, "hey dummy, they're right here in the yellowpages!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942040</id>
	<title>KDE4</title>
	<author>Lord Byron II</author>
	<datestamp>1264676100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I basically have that with KDE4 and a dual-head Nvidia card. I have it set to "span", but when I maximize, it only maximizes to the current window. If I really wanted, I could setup two instances of kicker, so that I would have the KDE menu, apps, etc on each screen. The only thing I don't think I can do is have independent virtual desktops - that is, have the left screen on desktop #1 and the right screen on desktop #3.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I basically have that with KDE4 and a dual-head Nvidia card .
I have it set to " span " , but when I maximize , it only maximizes to the current window .
If I really wanted , I could setup two instances of kicker , so that I would have the KDE menu , apps , etc on each screen .
The only thing I do n't think I can do is have independent virtual desktops - that is , have the left screen on desktop # 1 and the right screen on desktop # 3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I basically have that with KDE4 and a dual-head Nvidia card.
I have it set to "span", but when I maximize, it only maximizes to the current window.
If I really wanted, I could setup two instances of kicker, so that I would have the KDE menu, apps, etc on each screen.
The only thing I don't think I can do is have independent virtual desktops - that is, have the left screen on desktop #1 and the right screen on desktop #3.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30954198</id>
	<title>Re:neither mirrored nor spanned</title>
	<author>StrategicIrony</author>
	<datestamp>1264756500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The answer is:</p><p>Windows!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The answer is : Windows !
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The answer is:Windows!
:-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940170</id>
	<title>Awesome</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264670520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not a 'classical" window manager but the only one that can do this afaik.<br>http://awesome.naquadah.org/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not a 'classical " window manager but the only one that can do this afaik.http : //awesome.naquadah.org/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not a 'classical" window manager but the only one that can do this afaik.http://awesome.naquadah.org/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941596</id>
	<title>X server abstraction makes this hard</title>
	<author>tlambert</author>
	<datestamp>1264674600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>X server abstraction makes this hard.</p><p>The X server sits between your display driver and your window manager and does not communicate sufficient information about the underlying devices to the client program, which in this case is the window manager itself, that it's able to distinguish the real estate boundaries between the displays.  Because it doesn't know the boundaries, it can't make good decisions on mapping a workspace (a window manager abstraction) onto a display (an X Server abstraction which is being intentionally glossed over by the X Server or by the display itself).</p><p>I've often complained that the X abstraction of the window management from the server software did a big disfavor to the overall capability to pick a window server and have all you applications adopt a uniform "look and feel" based on the window manager selected: the window manager being integral to the server would have prevented this.</p><p>I've also complained about the need to load display drivers into what is effectively user space resulting in a loss of state information to the kernel, since it has a very hard time with "putting the display back into a known, reasonable state", either because the user space driver is making state changes to write-only registers in the card, and these are not shadowed into the kernels idea of the card state, or that even being shadowed, the kernel driver doesn't know what to do about it.  I first brought this up in the context of debugging kernel panics in FreeBSD write running X windows, in the 1990's.  You could address this a couple ways, including the hardware itself allowing for  a kernel to reset to a "known good state" (most won't), or moving the driver into the kernel and breaking the X server/driver integration (and several projects have done this).</p><p>Another project which attempted to put the abstractions where I thought they should be was "Saluatation", but it got bogged down in commercial encumberment by companies like HP and Ricoh for its standards, and by the license (GPL) on what reference implementations they did make available.</p><p>Really, it's about time we decided to rethink the use of X windows at all.</p><p>-- Terry</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>X server abstraction makes this hard.The X server sits between your display driver and your window manager and does not communicate sufficient information about the underlying devices to the client program , which in this case is the window manager itself , that it 's able to distinguish the real estate boundaries between the displays .
Because it does n't know the boundaries , it ca n't make good decisions on mapping a workspace ( a window manager abstraction ) onto a display ( an X Server abstraction which is being intentionally glossed over by the X Server or by the display itself ) .I 've often complained that the X abstraction of the window management from the server software did a big disfavor to the overall capability to pick a window server and have all you applications adopt a uniform " look and feel " based on the window manager selected : the window manager being integral to the server would have prevented this.I 've also complained about the need to load display drivers into what is effectively user space resulting in a loss of state information to the kernel , since it has a very hard time with " putting the display back into a known , reasonable state " , either because the user space driver is making state changes to write-only registers in the card , and these are not shadowed into the kernels idea of the card state , or that even being shadowed , the kernel driver does n't know what to do about it .
I first brought this up in the context of debugging kernel panics in FreeBSD write running X windows , in the 1990 's .
You could address this a couple ways , including the hardware itself allowing for a kernel to reset to a " known good state " ( most wo n't ) , or moving the driver into the kernel and breaking the X server/driver integration ( and several projects have done this ) .Another project which attempted to put the abstractions where I thought they should be was " Saluatation " , but it got bogged down in commercial encumberment by companies like HP and Ricoh for its standards , and by the license ( GPL ) on what reference implementations they did make available.Really , it 's about time we decided to rethink the use of X windows at all.-- Terry</tokentext>
<sentencetext>X server abstraction makes this hard.The X server sits between your display driver and your window manager and does not communicate sufficient information about the underlying devices to the client program, which in this case is the window manager itself, that it's able to distinguish the real estate boundaries between the displays.
Because it doesn't know the boundaries, it can't make good decisions on mapping a workspace (a window manager abstraction) onto a display (an X Server abstraction which is being intentionally glossed over by the X Server or by the display itself).I've often complained that the X abstraction of the window management from the server software did a big disfavor to the overall capability to pick a window server and have all you applications adopt a uniform "look and feel" based on the window manager selected: the window manager being integral to the server would have prevented this.I've also complained about the need to load display drivers into what is effectively user space resulting in a loss of state information to the kernel, since it has a very hard time with "putting the display back into a known, reasonable state", either because the user space driver is making state changes to write-only registers in the card, and these are not shadowed into the kernels idea of the card state, or that even being shadowed, the kernel driver doesn't know what to do about it.
I first brought this up in the context of debugging kernel panics in FreeBSD write running X windows, in the 1990's.
You could address this a couple ways, including the hardware itself allowing for  a kernel to reset to a "known good state" (most won't), or moving the driver into the kernel and breaking the X server/driver integration (and several projects have done this).Another project which attempted to put the abstractions where I thought they should be was "Saluatation", but it got bogged down in commercial encumberment by companies like HP and Ricoh for its standards, and by the license (GPL) on what reference implementations they did make available.Really, it's about time we decided to rethink the use of X windows at all.-- Terry</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940428</id>
	<title>Re:Anti-Slashdot answer</title>
	<author>Homburg</author>
	<datestamp>1264671240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, it doesn't. Windows doesn't have virtual desktops at all, so the  set-up the OP wants (separate virtual desktops on each display) is completely impossible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , it does n't .
Windows does n't have virtual desktops at all , so the set-up the OP wants ( separate virtual desktops on each display ) is completely impossible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, it doesn't.
Windows doesn't have virtual desktops at all, so the  set-up the OP wants (separate virtual desktops on each display) is completely impossible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30943530</id>
	<title>Re:Car analogy for Windows users</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264682400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh BLOOD-EEEE! C'mon...Ford...Ford...Ford...all you talk about is Ford. I have one thing to say, and that's "Daihatsu Move, 1997A, 3 cylinder, 800cc, 5 speed manual". Erf...for the love of Pete!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh BLOOD-EEEE !
C'mon...Ford...Ford...Ford...all you talk about is Ford .
I have one thing to say , and that 's " Daihatsu Move , 1997A , 3 cylinder , 800cc , 5 speed manual " .
Erf...for the love of Pete !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh BLOOD-EEEE!
C'mon...Ford...Ford...Ford...all you talk about is Ford.
I have one thing to say, and that's "Daihatsu Move, 1997A, 3 cylinder, 800cc, 5 speed manual".
Erf...for the love of Pete!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30948314</id>
	<title>Re:4 Screens</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264774560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since this is the only post that even comes close to addressing what was asked...</p><p>Let me phrase what was said above in a manner that matches the questions in the story.</p><p>1) Configure your system to have one X Server with two screens (do not use an nVidia span).<br>2) Enable the Xinerama extension to X11</p><p>Behavior:<br>You should be able to drag windows from one screen to another.<br>Maximizing a window should fill one screen, but you may resize a window to take up both.<br>I am less sure about how the virtual desktops work, but you may have a window occupy more than one virtual desktop. I think that changing the workspace will change both screens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since this is the only post that even comes close to addressing what was asked...Let me phrase what was said above in a manner that matches the questions in the story.1 ) Configure your system to have one X Server with two screens ( do not use an nVidia span ) .2 ) Enable the Xinerama extension to X11Behavior : You should be able to drag windows from one screen to another.Maximizing a window should fill one screen , but you may resize a window to take up both.I am less sure about how the virtual desktops work , but you may have a window occupy more than one virtual desktop .
I think that changing the workspace will change both screens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since this is the only post that even comes close to addressing what was asked...Let me phrase what was said above in a manner that matches the questions in the story.1) Configure your system to have one X Server with two screens (do not use an nVidia span).2) Enable the Xinerama extension to X11Behavior:You should be able to drag windows from one screen to another.Maximizing a window should fill one screen, but you may resize a window to take up both.I am less sure about how the virtual desktops work, but you may have a window occupy more than one virtual desktop.
I think that changing the workspace will change both screens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942582</id>
	<title>Short solution...</title>
	<author>sbeckstead</author>
	<datestamp>1264678140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Get a Mac.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Get a Mac .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get a Mac.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942166</id>
	<title>Re:Google</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264676460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An unmaintained project, and an unstable one. Sounds about right.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An unmaintained project , and an unstable one .
Sounds about right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An unmaintained project, and an unstable one.
Sounds about right.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940438</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264671240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Xmonad and dwm can do it too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Xmonad and dwm can do it too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Xmonad and dwm can do it too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942320</id>
	<title>Exactly!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264677000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is exactly my preferred work environment, I'm surprised more people don't know about it or try it.</p><p>I have a 1900x1200 screen on my laptop and a side monitor of 1600x1200.  I don't ever need to maximize an application across both monitors<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... either monitor is big enough for a single app.  What I find useful is that I can have several applications running on one monitor, each in its own workspace, and several 'adjunct' applications on the other monitor, each of those in their own workspace.  This allows me to quickly mix and match reference material or browsers to whatever is relevant to the task at hand.</p><p>For example:<br>I'm a software developer, and I often have many browser windows open to API references, google searches, blog postings, whatever.  I will also have a database administration tool, an development IDE, two or three remote desktop sessions, and maybe a couple of non-work things - Spotify or an SSH-tunneled browser session in a separate browser.  My day consists of developing and debugging in Eclipse, and rotating among several workspaces on the other monitor to support my development and debugging activities.  I find the described X setup to be very efficient; once everything is running, I don't have to go hunting for windows or maximize/minimize other running applications.  I just hot-key among the workspaces and easily maintain mental context for the task at hand.  If someone comes in and needs a question answered, I don't have to clear the screen -- I just hot-key to an empty workspace and help them with what they are after.</p><p>The big win here is retaining the ability to cut-and-paste among applications while being able to 'pin' an application to a monitor.  That is, I can leave Eclipse up on monitor 1, and then flip among the workspaces on monitor 2 while I look for whatever information I need.  I don't lose my train of thought because Eclipse on monitor 1 is always visible, even as I flip among 5 or 10 different browser windows or applications on monitor 2.</p><p>If you aren't a developer, maybe you don't understand.  But I'm sure other developers understand the use case<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... many times, you may have to push 10 things on your mental stack while you research a problem, and it is easy to lose context.  Being able to pin an application on one monitor and then quickly flip through several other applications on the other monitor is a huge productivity win.  It always surprises me that more Linux people don't know about this method of using X; it drives me nuts to go to another developer's machine and watch them minimize and/or alt-tab through 30 browser windows and applications when they are trying to do something, or flip back and forth among the same 2 workspaces 16 times in a row because Xinerama has 'trapped' the IDE on their 2nd monitor to a different workspace than the one displaying their reference material.  There is a better way.</p><p>Having said all that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I have often wished for the exact capability requested by the OP.  There are times when it would be convenient to be able to drag a window from one monitor to the other.  As demonstrated by the 'clever' first poster, this setup is often misinterpreted as Xinerama or xrandr or some combination thereof, when actually it is just as the OP described.  'Albanach' has posted the only thing that looks helpful or relevant so far<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I don't see the point of asking "Have you investigated any of these before 'asking<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.'?" though, it makes it look like Albanach is trying to be cool or look smart or something<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I guess<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but I am certainly glad that the OP posted the question.  I think I tried Xmove but couldn't get it to work, and it sounds like Xpra may not be much better, but I'll try 'em again.</p><p>If anyone else understands the issue and has additional suggestions, please advise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is exactly my preferred work environment , I 'm surprised more people do n't know about it or try it.I have a 1900x1200 screen on my laptop and a side monitor of 1600x1200 .
I do n't ever need to maximize an application across both monitors ... either monitor is big enough for a single app .
What I find useful is that I can have several applications running on one monitor , each in its own workspace , and several 'adjunct ' applications on the other monitor , each of those in their own workspace .
This allows me to quickly mix and match reference material or browsers to whatever is relevant to the task at hand.For example : I 'm a software developer , and I often have many browser windows open to API references , google searches , blog postings , whatever .
I will also have a database administration tool , an development IDE , two or three remote desktop sessions , and maybe a couple of non-work things - Spotify or an SSH-tunneled browser session in a separate browser .
My day consists of developing and debugging in Eclipse , and rotating among several workspaces on the other monitor to support my development and debugging activities .
I find the described X setup to be very efficient ; once everything is running , I do n't have to go hunting for windows or maximize/minimize other running applications .
I just hot-key among the workspaces and easily maintain mental context for the task at hand .
If someone comes in and needs a question answered , I do n't have to clear the screen -- I just hot-key to an empty workspace and help them with what they are after.The big win here is retaining the ability to cut-and-paste among applications while being able to 'pin ' an application to a monitor .
That is , I can leave Eclipse up on monitor 1 , and then flip among the workspaces on monitor 2 while I look for whatever information I need .
I do n't lose my train of thought because Eclipse on monitor 1 is always visible , even as I flip among 5 or 10 different browser windows or applications on monitor 2.If you are n't a developer , maybe you do n't understand .
But I 'm sure other developers understand the use case ... many times , you may have to push 10 things on your mental stack while you research a problem , and it is easy to lose context .
Being able to pin an application on one monitor and then quickly flip through several other applications on the other monitor is a huge productivity win .
It always surprises me that more Linux people do n't know about this method of using X ; it drives me nuts to go to another developer 's machine and watch them minimize and/or alt-tab through 30 browser windows and applications when they are trying to do something , or flip back and forth among the same 2 workspaces 16 times in a row because Xinerama has 'trapped ' the IDE on their 2nd monitor to a different workspace than the one displaying their reference material .
There is a better way.Having said all that ... I have often wished for the exact capability requested by the OP .
There are times when it would be convenient to be able to drag a window from one monitor to the other .
As demonstrated by the 'clever ' first poster , this setup is often misinterpreted as Xinerama or xrandr or some combination thereof , when actually it is just as the OP described .
'Albanach ' has posted the only thing that looks helpful or relevant so far ... I do n't see the point of asking " Have you investigated any of these before 'asking /. ' ?
" though , it makes it look like Albanach is trying to be cool or look smart or something ... I guess ... but I am certainly glad that the OP posted the question .
I think I tried Xmove but could n't get it to work , and it sounds like Xpra may not be much better , but I 'll try 'em again.If anyone else understands the issue and has additional suggestions , please advise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is exactly my preferred work environment, I'm surprised more people don't know about it or try it.I have a 1900x1200 screen on my laptop and a side monitor of 1600x1200.
I don't ever need to maximize an application across both monitors ... either monitor is big enough for a single app.
What I find useful is that I can have several applications running on one monitor, each in its own workspace, and several 'adjunct' applications on the other monitor, each of those in their own workspace.
This allows me to quickly mix and match reference material or browsers to whatever is relevant to the task at hand.For example:I'm a software developer, and I often have many browser windows open to API references, google searches, blog postings, whatever.
I will also have a database administration tool, an development IDE, two or three remote desktop sessions, and maybe a couple of non-work things - Spotify or an SSH-tunneled browser session in a separate browser.
My day consists of developing and debugging in Eclipse, and rotating among several workspaces on the other monitor to support my development and debugging activities.
I find the described X setup to be very efficient; once everything is running, I don't have to go hunting for windows or maximize/minimize other running applications.
I just hot-key among the workspaces and easily maintain mental context for the task at hand.
If someone comes in and needs a question answered, I don't have to clear the screen -- I just hot-key to an empty workspace and help them with what they are after.The big win here is retaining the ability to cut-and-paste among applications while being able to 'pin' an application to a monitor.
That is, I can leave Eclipse up on monitor 1, and then flip among the workspaces on monitor 2 while I look for whatever information I need.
I don't lose my train of thought because Eclipse on monitor 1 is always visible, even as I flip among 5 or 10 different browser windows or applications on monitor 2.If you aren't a developer, maybe you don't understand.
But I'm sure other developers understand the use case ... many times, you may have to push 10 things on your mental stack while you research a problem, and it is easy to lose context.
Being able to pin an application on one monitor and then quickly flip through several other applications on the other monitor is a huge productivity win.
It always surprises me that more Linux people don't know about this method of using X; it drives me nuts to go to another developer's machine and watch them minimize and/or alt-tab through 30 browser windows and applications when they are trying to do something, or flip back and forth among the same 2 workspaces 16 times in a row because Xinerama has 'trapped' the IDE on their 2nd monitor to a different workspace than the one displaying their reference material.
There is a better way.Having said all that ... I have often wished for the exact capability requested by the OP.
There are times when it would be convenient to be able to drag a window from one monitor to the other.
As demonstrated by the 'clever' first poster, this setup is often misinterpreted as Xinerama or xrandr or some combination thereof, when actually it is just as the OP described.
'Albanach' has posted the only thing that looks helpful or relevant so far ... I don't see the point of asking "Have you investigated any of these before 'asking /.'?
" though, it makes it look like Albanach is trying to be cool or look smart or something ... I guess ... but I am certainly glad that the OP posted the question.
I think I tried Xmove but couldn't get it to work, and it sounds like Xpra may not be much better, but I'll try 'em again.If anyone else understands the issue and has additional suggestions, please advise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30946656</id>
	<title>xmove</title>
	<author>Pf0tzenpfritz</author>
	<datestamp>1264796700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>you don't need a special WM for that. Plain old GNOME, configured with two screens (not Xinerama and no "additional" Xsession - you'll start one session with both screens active from GDM) and a small app called xmove will do the trick moving windows from one (physical) screen to the other. I have definitely configured this a dozen times on Linux and Solaris machines with NVidia and SUN video adapters.</htmltext>
<tokenext>you do n't need a special WM for that .
Plain old GNOME , configured with two screens ( not Xinerama and no " additional " Xsession - you 'll start one session with both screens active from GDM ) and a small app called xmove will do the trick moving windows from one ( physical ) screen to the other .
I have definitely configured this a dozen times on Linux and Solaris machines with NVidia and SUN video adapters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you don't need a special WM for that.
Plain old GNOME, configured with two screens (not Xinerama and no "additional" Xsession - you'll start one session with both screens active from GDM) and a small app called xmove will do the trick moving windows from one (physical) screen to the other.
I have definitely configured this a dozen times on Linux and Solaris machines with NVidia and SUN video adapters.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30948324</id>
	<title>Re:Google (intentional troll)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264774740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gee, if Google is giving you too much information, have you tried Bing?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gee , if Google is giving you too much information , have you tried Bing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gee, if Google is giving you too much information, have you tried Bing?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30951382</id>
	<title>mark parent redundant</title>
	<author>heson</author>
	<datestamp>1264788300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>He wasn't asking for a frekkken googling, he was asking for working solutions. Have you tried xmove? did it work well? no is the answer one of those questions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>He was n't asking for a frekkken googling , he was asking for working solutions .
Have you tried xmove ?
did it work well ?
no is the answer one of those questions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He wasn't asking for a frekkken googling, he was asking for working solutions.
Have you tried xmove?
did it work well?
no is the answer one of those questions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30959282</id>
	<title>Seems Easy Enough to Me</title>
	<author>rdnetto</author>
	<datestamp>1264785120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a dual monitor setup and on Ubuntu I get that behaviour out of the box. Each screen is treated as a seperate workspace, so it's simple enough to move windows between them. As a caveat I do use the NVidia propriety drivers, so I don't know if that makes a difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a dual monitor setup and on Ubuntu I get that behaviour out of the box .
Each screen is treated as a seperate workspace , so it 's simple enough to move windows between them .
As a caveat I do use the NVidia propriety drivers , so I do n't know if that makes a difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a dual monitor setup and on Ubuntu I get that behaviour out of the box.
Each screen is treated as a seperate workspace, so it's simple enough to move windows between them.
As a caveat I do use the NVidia propriety drivers, so I don't know if that makes a difference.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30948606</id>
	<title>Re:Google</title>
	<author>Hurga</author>
	<datestamp>1264776480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please document your research and your findings on the web somewhere. Thanks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please document your research and your findings on the web somewhere .
Thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please document your research and your findings on the web somewhere.
Thanks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941774</id>
	<title>Re:X is a four letter word</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264675260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's time to bin ignorant n00bs who think it's time to bin X.</p></div></blockquote><p>Fixed. And BTW, Ubuntu's role is to get Grandma off Windows, real geeks don't need it. So in the future you might take into account the fact that you don't actually know anything before making such sweeping statements that end with your foot going down your throat. There are plenty of xorg users who find no such limitations in X (see dwm, awesome, xmonad, wmii, etc).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's time to bin ignorant n00bs who think it 's time to bin X.Fixed .
And BTW , Ubuntu 's role is to get Grandma off Windows , real geeks do n't need it .
So in the future you might take into account the fact that you do n't actually know anything before making such sweeping statements that end with your foot going down your throat .
There are plenty of xorg users who find no such limitations in X ( see dwm , awesome , xmonad , wmii , etc ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's time to bin ignorant n00bs who think it's time to bin X.Fixed.
And BTW, Ubuntu's role is to get Grandma off Windows, real geeks don't need it.
So in the future you might take into account the fact that you don't actually know anything before making such sweeping statements that end with your foot going down your throat.
There are plenty of xorg users who find no such limitations in X (see dwm, awesome, xmonad, wmii, etc).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30944278</id>
	<title>Re:Car analogy for Windows users</title>
	<author>hairyfeet</author>
	<datestamp>1264687140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good lord son, that ain't no vehicle its a bloody go-cart! We Americans need leg room there feller! Anything less than a Ranger just don't cut the mustard, and the new F Series ride like a caddy and still let you haul stuff! Why would anybody want a 3 cylinder go-cart for anyway? Do the hamsters running in the little wheels huff and puff when you go uphill?</p><p>

You keep your little baby car there son, I'll stick with my nice Ranger. 4 doors, decent gas mileage, thumping stereo, plenty of legroom, and that Vulcan V6 in such a light truck really slings the mud. Now THAT is a vehicle! How anybody fits in one of those itsabatsabuchis I have NO idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good lord son , that ai n't no vehicle its a bloody go-cart !
We Americans need leg room there feller !
Anything less than a Ranger just do n't cut the mustard , and the new F Series ride like a caddy and still let you haul stuff !
Why would anybody want a 3 cylinder go-cart for anyway ?
Do the hamsters running in the little wheels huff and puff when you go uphill ?
You keep your little baby car there son , I 'll stick with my nice Ranger .
4 doors , decent gas mileage , thumping stereo , plenty of legroom , and that Vulcan V6 in such a light truck really slings the mud .
Now THAT is a vehicle !
How anybody fits in one of those itsabatsabuchis I have NO idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good lord son, that ain't no vehicle its a bloody go-cart!
We Americans need leg room there feller!
Anything less than a Ranger just don't cut the mustard, and the new F Series ride like a caddy and still let you haul stuff!
Why would anybody want a 3 cylinder go-cart for anyway?
Do the hamsters running in the little wheels huff and puff when you go uphill?
You keep your little baby car there son, I'll stick with my nice Ranger.
4 doors, decent gas mileage, thumping stereo, plenty of legroom, and that Vulcan V6 in such a light truck really slings the mud.
Now THAT is a vehicle!
How anybody fits in one of those itsabatsabuchis I have NO idea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940224</id>
	<title>Gnome + Twinview</title>
	<author>nleaf</author>
	<datestamp>1264670640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm using Twinview on a standard Ubuntu 9.10 install. While it's one big desktop stretching across two screens, you can set up metamodes in xorg.conf that allows windows to comfortably use a whole monitor (i.e. maximizing makes a window take up one monitor, not stretch across). If you're using an Nvidia card, the nvidia-setttings utility will even set this up for you.

Both monitors are of course set to the same workspace, though. As far as I know, separate X servers are the only way to have each monitor on a different workspace.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm using Twinview on a standard Ubuntu 9.10 install .
While it 's one big desktop stretching across two screens , you can set up metamodes in xorg.conf that allows windows to comfortably use a whole monitor ( i.e .
maximizing makes a window take up one monitor , not stretch across ) .
If you 're using an Nvidia card , the nvidia-setttings utility will even set this up for you .
Both monitors are of course set to the same workspace , though .
As far as I know , separate X servers are the only way to have each monitor on a different workspace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm using Twinview on a standard Ubuntu 9.10 install.
While it's one big desktop stretching across two screens, you can set up metamodes in xorg.conf that allows windows to comfortably use a whole monitor (i.e.
maximizing makes a window take up one monitor, not stretch across).
If you're using an Nvidia card, the nvidia-setttings utility will even set this up for you.
Both monitors are of course set to the same workspace, though.
As far as I know, separate X servers are the only way to have each monitor on a different workspace.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941456</id>
	<title>Re:4 Screens</title>
	<author>Xtravar</author>
	<datestamp>1264674060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you using Compiz?  My experience with nVidia + more than TwinView = Compiz fail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you using Compiz ?
My experience with nVidia + more than TwinView = Compiz fail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you using Compiz?
My experience with nVidia + more than TwinView = Compiz fail.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30943678</id>
	<title>It's called Zaphod mode</title>
	<author>Chris Pimlott</author>
	<datestamp>1264683240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The latter option mentioned in the summary - each monitor being a distinct X session - is sometimes called Zaphod mode.</p><p>I have opted for it myself, but the downside of not being able to drag windows is sometimes a real pain.  You can mitigate this to some degree for text programs using screen or dtach.  I am interested in trying out xpra, which promises to be like 'screen for x-windows', but I haven't had time yet.</p><p>Another issue is that some programs, like Firefox, don't like to run multiple instances.  So if you fire it up on one session while it's running on the other, it will try to connect to the existing instance but fail because its on a different session.  I work around this with a small script that detects what screen firefox is running on and prepends the appropriate DISPLAY variable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The latter option mentioned in the summary - each monitor being a distinct X session - is sometimes called Zaphod mode.I have opted for it myself , but the downside of not being able to drag windows is sometimes a real pain .
You can mitigate this to some degree for text programs using screen or dtach .
I am interested in trying out xpra , which promises to be like 'screen for x-windows ' , but I have n't had time yet.Another issue is that some programs , like Firefox , do n't like to run multiple instances .
So if you fire it up on one session while it 's running on the other , it will try to connect to the existing instance but fail because its on a different session .
I work around this with a small script that detects what screen firefox is running on and prepends the appropriate DISPLAY variable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The latter option mentioned in the summary - each monitor being a distinct X session - is sometimes called Zaphod mode.I have opted for it myself, but the downside of not being able to drag windows is sometimes a real pain.
You can mitigate this to some degree for text programs using screen or dtach.
I am interested in trying out xpra, which promises to be like 'screen for x-windows', but I haven't had time yet.Another issue is that some programs, like Firefox, don't like to run multiple instances.
So if you fire it up on one session while it's running on the other, it will try to connect to the existing instance but fail because its on a different session.
I work around this with a small script that detects what screen firefox is running on and prepends the appropriate DISPLAY variable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942510</id>
	<title>AwesomeWM (and others of the genre) handle this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264677840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Great question! Just that use case problem has been toying around in my mind for years but after ten+ years of using X with multiple monitors did I actually make it happen.</p><p>My chosen solution was to use AwesomeWM. http://awesome.naquadah.org/</p><p>It is both a capable tiling AND floating window manager that handles multiple monitors more gracefully than anything I've ever used before, including effective separate virtual desktops for each monitor (or linked if you prefer). In fact you can have some desktops linked and some independent. The cost of getting your feet wet is pretty high because you have to script your own setup, but the investment is worth it. Once you get your mind around it the possibilities are both endless and precise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great question !
Just that use case problem has been toying around in my mind for years but after ten + years of using X with multiple monitors did I actually make it happen.My chosen solution was to use AwesomeWM .
http : //awesome.naquadah.org/It is both a capable tiling AND floating window manager that handles multiple monitors more gracefully than anything I 've ever used before , including effective separate virtual desktops for each monitor ( or linked if you prefer ) .
In fact you can have some desktops linked and some independent .
The cost of getting your feet wet is pretty high because you have to script your own setup , but the investment is worth it .
Once you get your mind around it the possibilities are both endless and precise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great question!
Just that use case problem has been toying around in my mind for years but after ten+ years of using X with multiple monitors did I actually make it happen.My chosen solution was to use AwesomeWM.
http://awesome.naquadah.org/It is both a capable tiling AND floating window manager that handles multiple monitors more gracefully than anything I've ever used before, including effective separate virtual desktops for each monitor (or linked if you prefer).
In fact you can have some desktops linked and some independent.
The cost of getting your feet wet is pretty high because you have to script your own setup, but the investment is worth it.
Once you get your mind around it the possibilities are both endless and precise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30961470</id>
	<title>Compiz Fusion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264859880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe from my understanding of the question, the simplest and most utilitarian answer would be Compiz Fusion.  You can set it up<br>with N number of desktops, apply the cube widget, and just spin it around to what ever desktop you currently need.  I use this with<br>dual 19"s and my productivity has really improved.</p><p>-AC</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe from my understanding of the question , the simplest and most utilitarian answer would be Compiz Fusion .
You can set it upwith N number of desktops , apply the cube widget , and just spin it around to what ever desktop you currently need .
I use this withdual 19 " s and my productivity has really improved.-AC</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe from my understanding of the question, the simplest and most utilitarian answer would be Compiz Fusion.
You can set it upwith N number of desktops, apply the cube widget, and just spin it around to what ever desktop you currently need.
I use this withdual 19"s and my productivity has really improved.-AC</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30946894</id>
	<title>Re:Ask Slashdot?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264755900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who cares?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who cares ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who cares?
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942262</id>
	<title>What's the problem?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264676760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm doing it right now. If you can stomach binary drivers, nVidia's is at least as good as the Windows nVidia driver. Although it runs in "TwinView" (it acts as one large screen), both compiz and kdewm support it brilliantly. KDE (kcontrol [3.x] and ksystemsettings [4.x]) recognises that your screens are different, and many compiz plugins have explicit multiple-monitor handling. For example, "Workspace Wall" lets you have the animations for workspace switching separately on each screen or as if they're one large screen, and most plugins with overlays let you choose which screen to display on (either the one with cursor, the one with active window, or both, or primary). The only thing to watch out for is using Enhanced Zoom Desktop (nb; this doesn't affect Zoom Desktop plugin) near the screen boundary - because it zooms in on only one screen, sometimes the cursor "jumps" to the other screen; the workaround for this is to zoom away from the boundary and then pan towards it. Also, remember to install ccsm (apt-package-name='compizconfig-settings-manager') to customise compiz effects (you'd be nuts not to).</p><p>You'll also need Nvidia Settings Manager (apt-package-name='nvidia-settings' - remember to enable non-free repositories). Just install, <b>run as root/sudo</b>, set it up as you want in the "X Server Display Configuration" menu (second from top), and then <b>remember to click "Save to X Configuration File" once you're finished</b>. You can add a thing that takes away the nVidia splash logo on X-startup, but I like to keep it so I know that I'm not using the open-source driver (and it only goes for about a second). The other thing you need to watch out for is that the binary driver tends to leak memory, but I only have 2GB on this machine and I can usually stay out of the swap, so it's not so bad.</p><p>Relevant information: </p><ul><li> nVidia 9500GT (173.14.09 binary driver) </li><li> Linux Debian "Lenny" 5.03, x86\_84, 2.6.26-2-amd64 generic kernel </li><li> KDE 3.5.10 </li><li> Compiz (whichever version is in the repos) </li></ul><p>I've also tried it with KDE 4.x (4.1, 4.2, 4.3), and Kubuntu (7.10, 8.04, 8.10, 9.04, 9.10), and it works just as well there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm doing it right now .
If you can stomach binary drivers , nVidia 's is at least as good as the Windows nVidia driver .
Although it runs in " TwinView " ( it acts as one large screen ) , both compiz and kdewm support it brilliantly .
KDE ( kcontrol [ 3.x ] and ksystemsettings [ 4.x ] ) recognises that your screens are different , and many compiz plugins have explicit multiple-monitor handling .
For example , " Workspace Wall " lets you have the animations for workspace switching separately on each screen or as if they 're one large screen , and most plugins with overlays let you choose which screen to display on ( either the one with cursor , the one with active window , or both , or primary ) .
The only thing to watch out for is using Enhanced Zoom Desktop ( nb ; this does n't affect Zoom Desktop plugin ) near the screen boundary - because it zooms in on only one screen , sometimes the cursor " jumps " to the other screen ; the workaround for this is to zoom away from the boundary and then pan towards it .
Also , remember to install ccsm ( apt-package-name = 'compizconfig-settings-manager ' ) to customise compiz effects ( you 'd be nuts not to ) .You 'll also need Nvidia Settings Manager ( apt-package-name = 'nvidia-settings ' - remember to enable non-free repositories ) .
Just install , run as root/sudo , set it up as you want in the " X Server Display Configuration " menu ( second from top ) , and then remember to click " Save to X Configuration File " once you 're finished .
You can add a thing that takes away the nVidia splash logo on X-startup , but I like to keep it so I know that I 'm not using the open-source driver ( and it only goes for about a second ) .
The other thing you need to watch out for is that the binary driver tends to leak memory , but I only have 2GB on this machine and I can usually stay out of the swap , so it 's not so bad.Relevant information : nVidia 9500GT ( 173.14.09 binary driver ) Linux Debian " Lenny " 5.03 , x86 \ _84 , 2.6.26-2-amd64 generic kernel KDE 3.5.10 Compiz ( whichever version is in the repos ) I 've also tried it with KDE 4.x ( 4.1 , 4.2 , 4.3 ) , and Kubuntu ( 7.10 , 8.04 , 8.10 , 9.04 , 9.10 ) , and it works just as well there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm doing it right now.
If you can stomach binary drivers, nVidia's is at least as good as the Windows nVidia driver.
Although it runs in "TwinView" (it acts as one large screen), both compiz and kdewm support it brilliantly.
KDE (kcontrol [3.x] and ksystemsettings [4.x]) recognises that your screens are different, and many compiz plugins have explicit multiple-monitor handling.
For example, "Workspace Wall" lets you have the animations for workspace switching separately on each screen or as if they're one large screen, and most plugins with overlays let you choose which screen to display on (either the one with cursor, the one with active window, or both, or primary).
The only thing to watch out for is using Enhanced Zoom Desktop (nb; this doesn't affect Zoom Desktop plugin) near the screen boundary - because it zooms in on only one screen, sometimes the cursor "jumps" to the other screen; the workaround for this is to zoom away from the boundary and then pan towards it.
Also, remember to install ccsm (apt-package-name='compizconfig-settings-manager') to customise compiz effects (you'd be nuts not to).You'll also need Nvidia Settings Manager (apt-package-name='nvidia-settings' - remember to enable non-free repositories).
Just install, run as root/sudo, set it up as you want in the "X Server Display Configuration" menu (second from top), and then remember to click "Save to X Configuration File" once you're finished.
You can add a thing that takes away the nVidia splash logo on X-startup, but I like to keep it so I know that I'm not using the open-source driver (and it only goes for about a second).
The other thing you need to watch out for is that the binary driver tends to leak memory, but I only have 2GB on this machine and I can usually stay out of the swap, so it's not so bad.Relevant information:  nVidia 9500GT (173.14.09 binary driver)  Linux Debian "Lenny" 5.03, x86\_84, 2.6.26-2-amd64 generic kernel  KDE 3.5.10  Compiz (whichever version is in the repos) I've also tried it with KDE 4.x (4.1, 4.2, 4.3), and Kubuntu (7.10, 8.04, 8.10, 9.04, 9.10), and it works just as well there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940992</id>
	<title>Have You Actually Tried It?</title>
	<author>pz</author>
	<datestamp>1264672680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have had a computer running Linux (Fedora of one flavor or another) with two displays for getting on to be most of a decade.  Wouldn't work seriously any other way.  I have 12 desktops (one for each Fn key on standard keyboards), which are linked so that both monitors switch at the same time.</p><p>If you haven't TRIED this sort of setup yet (and it sounds very much like you have not), then I would encourage you to try it first.  What problem are you trying to solve with being able to switch monitors individually?  WIndows can be trivially moved between virtual desktops under Linux, and with single keystroke desktop switching (remember those Fn keys?) I find that I rarely, if ever, need to move applications from one desktop to another.  To promote efficiency, I have adopted, over the years, a standard pattern of where given windows are.  The details are good for me, but not necessarily anyone else, so I won't go through the particulars, but, just as one example, when I want to use a browser, I hit F6, and BOOM, there are two browser windows at full screen.  When I need an editor, another single keystroke (F3, if you care), and BOOM, emacs on the left, and, usually, an xterm on the right.  Fully maximized.  Moving windows around and resizing them is a waste of time and screen area.  Twelve desktops maps nicely to the Fn keys -- which, again, is why I have 12, and, again is why switching between applications is 1-keystroke-instantaneous -- and I cannot recall running out of room, ever.</p><p>If the reason you want to switch workspaces individually is that you don't have enough flexibility in your workspaces (like you only have four per monitor), then you're solving the wrong problem.  Increase the number of workspaces you have.  Also, stop putting the task bar on the long dimension of the monitor -- that's the one where you have the least distance to play with.  And if you're doing any document-based work, then it's a MUST to use portrait orientation.</p><p>Or were you just going to dick around, switching the left workspace, then the right one, then the left, then the right?</p><p>When people join my lab, they universally comment on how efficient my work setup is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and usually leave using a very similar setup themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have had a computer running Linux ( Fedora of one flavor or another ) with two displays for getting on to be most of a decade .
Would n't work seriously any other way .
I have 12 desktops ( one for each Fn key on standard keyboards ) , which are linked so that both monitors switch at the same time.If you have n't TRIED this sort of setup yet ( and it sounds very much like you have not ) , then I would encourage you to try it first .
What problem are you trying to solve with being able to switch monitors individually ?
WIndows can be trivially moved between virtual desktops under Linux , and with single keystroke desktop switching ( remember those Fn keys ?
) I find that I rarely , if ever , need to move applications from one desktop to another .
To promote efficiency , I have adopted , over the years , a standard pattern of where given windows are .
The details are good for me , but not necessarily anyone else , so I wo n't go through the particulars , but , just as one example , when I want to use a browser , I hit F6 , and BOOM , there are two browser windows at full screen .
When I need an editor , another single keystroke ( F3 , if you care ) , and BOOM , emacs on the left , and , usually , an xterm on the right .
Fully maximized .
Moving windows around and resizing them is a waste of time and screen area .
Twelve desktops maps nicely to the Fn keys -- which , again , is why I have 12 , and , again is why switching between applications is 1-keystroke-instantaneous -- and I can not recall running out of room , ever.If the reason you want to switch workspaces individually is that you do n't have enough flexibility in your workspaces ( like you only have four per monitor ) , then you 're solving the wrong problem .
Increase the number of workspaces you have .
Also , stop putting the task bar on the long dimension of the monitor -- that 's the one where you have the least distance to play with .
And if you 're doing any document-based work , then it 's a MUST to use portrait orientation.Or were you just going to dick around , switching the left workspace , then the right one , then the left , then the right ? When people join my lab , they universally comment on how efficient my work setup is ... and usually leave using a very similar setup themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have had a computer running Linux (Fedora of one flavor or another) with two displays for getting on to be most of a decade.
Wouldn't work seriously any other way.
I have 12 desktops (one for each Fn key on standard keyboards), which are linked so that both monitors switch at the same time.If you haven't TRIED this sort of setup yet (and it sounds very much like you have not), then I would encourage you to try it first.
What problem are you trying to solve with being able to switch monitors individually?
WIndows can be trivially moved between virtual desktops under Linux, and with single keystroke desktop switching (remember those Fn keys?
) I find that I rarely, if ever, need to move applications from one desktop to another.
To promote efficiency, I have adopted, over the years, a standard pattern of where given windows are.
The details are good for me, but not necessarily anyone else, so I won't go through the particulars, but, just as one example, when I want to use a browser, I hit F6, and BOOM, there are two browser windows at full screen.
When I need an editor, another single keystroke (F3, if you care), and BOOM, emacs on the left, and, usually, an xterm on the right.
Fully maximized.
Moving windows around and resizing them is a waste of time and screen area.
Twelve desktops maps nicely to the Fn keys -- which, again, is why I have 12, and, again is why switching between applications is 1-keystroke-instantaneous -- and I cannot recall running out of room, ever.If the reason you want to switch workspaces individually is that you don't have enough flexibility in your workspaces (like you only have four per monitor), then you're solving the wrong problem.
Increase the number of workspaces you have.
Also, stop putting the task bar on the long dimension of the monitor -- that's the one where you have the least distance to play with.
And if you're doing any document-based work, then it's a MUST to use portrait orientation.Or were you just going to dick around, switching the left workspace, then the right one, then the left, then the right?When people join my lab, they universally comment on how efficient my work setup is ... and usually leave using a very similar setup themselves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942520</id>
	<title>Re:Anti-Slashdot answer</title>
	<author>emilper</author>
	<datestamp>1264677900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>did Windows get virtual desktops ?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I mean, useful virtual desktops, so you can switch between them, each with its own task bar, you can send apps from one virtual desktop to another, you can see from a "window selector" which apps are running in the current desktop and the others etc.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>did Windows get virtual desktops ?
... I mean , useful virtual desktops , so you can switch between them , each with its own task bar , you can send apps from one virtual desktop to another , you can see from a " window selector " which apps are running in the current desktop and the others etc .
.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>did Windows get virtual desktops ?
... I mean, useful virtual desktops, so you can switch between them, each with its own task bar, you can send apps from one virtual desktop to another, you can see from a "window selector" which apps are running in the current desktop and the others etc.
...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940762</id>
	<title>Re:Anti-Slashdot answer</title>
	<author>scot4875</author>
	<datestamp>1264672080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are any number of utilities that will give you multiple virtual desktops on Windows, while retaining Windows' native multi-display features.</p><p>In fact, one comes from Sysinternals, which is now part of Microsoft itself.  It's called Desktops.  It only does 4 virtual desktops though, so if that's not enough, you'll have to look elsewhere.</p><p>--Jeremy</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are any number of utilities that will give you multiple virtual desktops on Windows , while retaining Windows ' native multi-display features.In fact , one comes from Sysinternals , which is now part of Microsoft itself .
It 's called Desktops .
It only does 4 virtual desktops though , so if that 's not enough , you 'll have to look elsewhere.--Jeremy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are any number of utilities that will give you multiple virtual desktops on Windows, while retaining Windows' native multi-display features.In fact, one comes from Sysinternals, which is now part of Microsoft itself.
It's called Desktops.
It only does 4 virtual desktops though, so if that's not enough, you'll have to look elsewhere.--Jeremy</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30958000</id>
	<title>Re:4 monitors - one desktop - here's how</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264773960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't believe that I have never seen the 'Always on Visible Workspace' option. Thanks heaps mate!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't believe that I have never seen the 'Always on Visible Workspace ' option .
Thanks heaps mate !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't believe that I have never seen the 'Always on Visible Workspace' option.
Thanks heaps mate!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942558</id>
	<title>Re:4 Screens</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264678020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, the problem with one X session is that when you change virtual desktops all 4 will change. 4 monitors will negate this somewhat, but I'm a heavy user of virtual desktops and like to keep an app open on one screen and switch through desktops on the other.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , the problem with one X session is that when you change virtual desktops all 4 will change .
4 monitors will negate this somewhat , but I 'm a heavy user of virtual desktops and like to keep an app open on one screen and switch through desktops on the other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, the problem with one X session is that when you change virtual desktops all 4 will change.
4 monitors will negate this somewhat, but I'm a heavy user of virtual desktops and like to keep an app open on one screen and switch through desktops on the other.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940786</id>
	<title>Re:Win7</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264672140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Funny,  I installed Linux and run windows 7 in a VM on my second monitor. Only because work makes me have a windows desktop though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny , I installed Linux and run windows 7 in a VM on my second monitor .
Only because work makes me have a windows desktop though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny,  I installed Linux and run windows 7 in a VM on my second monitor.
Only because work makes me have a windows desktop though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940442</id>
	<title>Me Too Post</title>
	<author>steve\_thatguy</author>
	<datestamp>1264671240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've wanted this for as long as I've had dual-monitors. I wound up settling for an nVidia TwinView setup, but if I could find a way for each of these to be their own separate workspace that would really be terrific. I'm surprised this is so hard to set up--it seems like it shouldn't be that difficult with X.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've wanted this for as long as I 've had dual-monitors .
I wound up settling for an nVidia TwinView setup , but if I could find a way for each of these to be their own separate workspace that would really be terrific .
I 'm surprised this is so hard to set up--it seems like it should n't be that difficult with X .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've wanted this for as long as I've had dual-monitors.
I wound up settling for an nVidia TwinView setup, but if I could find a way for each of these to be their own separate workspace that would really be terrific.
I'm surprised this is so hard to set up--it seems like it shouldn't be that difficult with X.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30949936</id>
	<title>Re:4 Screens</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264783080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Scotty is that you? -Can you beam things from the massive altar?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Scotty is that you ?
-Can you beam things from the massive altar ?
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Scotty is that you?
-Can you beam things from the massive altar?
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941554</id>
	<title>Re:Anti-Slashdot answer</title>
	<author>pnewhook</author>
	<datestamp>1264674420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>No, it doesn't. Windows doesn't have virtual desktops at all, so the set-up the OP wants (separate virtual desktops on each display) is completely impossible.</p></div><p>If you assume what he wants is separate virtual desktops, plus the ability to move applications from one to another, then that doesn't exist. </p><p>The fact is that if you truly do have virtual desktops, then they cannot know about each other by definition, therefore dragging applications between them is impossible.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , it does n't .
Windows does n't have virtual desktops at all , so the set-up the OP wants ( separate virtual desktops on each display ) is completely impossible.If you assume what he wants is separate virtual desktops , plus the ability to move applications from one to another , then that does n't exist .
The fact is that if you truly do have virtual desktops , then they can not know about each other by definition , therefore dragging applications between them is impossible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, it doesn't.
Windows doesn't have virtual desktops at all, so the set-up the OP wants (separate virtual desktops on each display) is completely impossible.If you assume what he wants is separate virtual desktops, plus the ability to move applications from one to another, then that doesn't exist.
The fact is that if you truly do have virtual desktops, then they cannot know about each other by definition, therefore dragging applications between them is impossible.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30945114</id>
	<title>Re:Enlightenment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264693860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My thoughts exactly.  Been using e17 for a few years now, and find it faster/more-stable/more-eye-candy then anything else that's held my attention<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)  Top this off with independent desktop-switching whilst maintaining ability to move stuff across monitors makes for a most usable multi-display setup.  Once you switch your multi-display to e17 you won't switch back, and I stand by that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My thoughts exactly .
Been using e17 for a few years now , and find it faster/more-stable/more-eye-candy then anything else that 's held my attention : ) Top this off with independent desktop-switching whilst maintaining ability to move stuff across monitors makes for a most usable multi-display setup .
Once you switch your multi-display to e17 you wo n't switch back , and I stand by that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My thoughts exactly.
Been using e17 for a few years now, and find it faster/more-stable/more-eye-candy then anything else that's held my attention :)  Top this off with independent desktop-switching whilst maintaining ability to move stuff across monitors makes for a most usable multi-display setup.
Once you switch your multi-display to e17 you won't switch back, and I stand by that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30944200</id>
	<title>Re:xinerama and xrandr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264686600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>well, it would be an extension of what compiz can do where you drag an application to the edge of the screen and it 'flips' to hte next desktop</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>well , it would be an extension of what compiz can do where you drag an application to the edge of the screen and it 'flips ' to hte next desktop</tokentext>
<sentencetext>well, it would be an extension of what compiz can do where you drag an application to the edge of the screen and it 'flips' to hte next desktop</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30947386</id>
	<title>A picture is more worth than a thousand words</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264762440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://quadhead.istheshit.net/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //quadhead.istheshit.net/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://quadhead.istheshit.net/</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942668</id>
	<title>Why not multiple startx sessions?</title>
	<author>stakovahflow</author>
	<datestamp>1264678380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I primarily just use console sessions...</p><p>I just had an idea...</p><p>*WATCH OUT!!!! It's a BAD IDEA*</p><p>How about using a shell script to "startx --<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:1 " &amp; "su username startx --<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:2" for dual X sessions?</p><p>You'd control them by Ctrl-Alt-F7 &amp; Ctrl-Alt-F8, etc..</p><p>I've not tried it, yet, but you should be able to at least have the ability to have common files, even if running dual instances of X...</p><p>I'll try testing this out when I get home...<br>open a screen session and type the first,<br>startx wmaker -- 1<br>disconnect screen &amp; open another screen session,<br>startx fluxbox -- 2<br>disconnect from screen</p><p>or something like that?</p><p>It's a thought...<br>Maybe, just maybe, it could work...</p><p>I'm sure it's a bad idea, but it's an idea, without just a single WM and two monitors, etc...</p><p>--Stak</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I primarily just use console sessions...I just had an idea... * WATCH OUT ! ! ! !
It 's a BAD IDEA * How about using a shell script to " startx -- : 1 " &amp; " su username startx -- : 2 " for dual X sessions ? You 'd control them by Ctrl-Alt-F7 &amp; Ctrl-Alt-F8 , etc..I 've not tried it , yet , but you should be able to at least have the ability to have common files , even if running dual instances of X...I 'll try testing this out when I get home...open a screen session and type the first,startx wmaker -- 1disconnect screen &amp; open another screen session,startx fluxbox -- 2disconnect from screenor something like that ? It 's a thought...Maybe , just maybe , it could work...I 'm sure it 's a bad idea , but it 's an idea , without just a single WM and two monitors , etc...--Stak</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I primarily just use console sessions...I just had an idea...*WATCH OUT!!!!
It's a BAD IDEA*How about using a shell script to "startx -- :1 " &amp; "su username startx -- :2" for dual X sessions?You'd control them by Ctrl-Alt-F7 &amp; Ctrl-Alt-F8, etc..I've not tried it, yet, but you should be able to at least have the ability to have common files, even if running dual instances of X...I'll try testing this out when I get home...open a screen session and type the first,startx wmaker -- 1disconnect screen &amp; open another screen session,startx fluxbox -- 2disconnect from screenor something like that?It's a thought...Maybe, just maybe, it could work...I'm sure it's a bad idea, but it's an idea, without just a single WM and two monitors, etc...--Stak</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30944224</id>
	<title>four monitors for audio/video post</title>
	<author>BabaG1</author>
	<datestamp>1264686720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>as a 'casual' user, this kind of thing has been a nightmare for me.

i tripleboot osx, xp, and 64studio in my audio/video suite. i'd love to start migrating to linux and 64studio for a lot of my work but it's been extremely difficult to find info on how to match the system under linux to what i have set up in both xp and osx.

i use four monitors, three tied together to display as a single, extremely wide, monitor via a matrox triplehead2go. this makes the three monitors appear to the system as a single monitor. it was fast and easy to set up in both xp and osx.

the fourth monitor is on the second port of my dualhead ati card and sits above the other three. i use it to display video for either video editing or the picture when i'm editing/mixing audio for film/video post.

i've never gotten the setup to match what i have in xp or osx and have, pretty much, had to give up on linux for my work for this reason.

this is a very interesting thread to me and i look forward to investigating some of the tips posted.

thanks,
babag1</htmltext>
<tokenext>as a 'casual ' user , this kind of thing has been a nightmare for me .
i tripleboot osx , xp , and 64studio in my audio/video suite .
i 'd love to start migrating to linux and 64studio for a lot of my work but it 's been extremely difficult to find info on how to match the system under linux to what i have set up in both xp and osx .
i use four monitors , three tied together to display as a single , extremely wide , monitor via a matrox triplehead2go .
this makes the three monitors appear to the system as a single monitor .
it was fast and easy to set up in both xp and osx .
the fourth monitor is on the second port of my dualhead ati card and sits above the other three .
i use it to display video for either video editing or the picture when i 'm editing/mixing audio for film/video post .
i 've never gotten the setup to match what i have in xp or osx and have , pretty much , had to give up on linux for my work for this reason .
this is a very interesting thread to me and i look forward to investigating some of the tips posted .
thanks , babag1</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as a 'casual' user, this kind of thing has been a nightmare for me.
i tripleboot osx, xp, and 64studio in my audio/video suite.
i'd love to start migrating to linux and 64studio for a lot of my work but it's been extremely difficult to find info on how to match the system under linux to what i have set up in both xp and osx.
i use four monitors, three tied together to display as a single, extremely wide, monitor via a matrox triplehead2go.
this makes the three monitors appear to the system as a single monitor.
it was fast and easy to set up in both xp and osx.
the fourth monitor is on the second port of my dualhead ati card and sits above the other three.
i use it to display video for either video editing or the picture when i'm editing/mixing audio for film/video post.
i've never gotten the setup to match what i have in xp or osx and have, pretty much, had to give up on linux for my work for this reason.
this is a very interesting thread to me and i look forward to investigating some of the tips posted.
thanks,
babag1</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940896</id>
	<title>Xpra and Xmove are both deprecated</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264672440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Both Xpra and Xmove were removed from Debian due to being dead upstream.  Didn't you use Google before making the suggestions?  (Kettle, meet Pot.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Both Xpra and Xmove were removed from Debian due to being dead upstream .
Did n't you use Google before making the suggestions ?
( Kettle , meet Pot .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Both Xpra and Xmove were removed from Debian due to being dead upstream.
Didn't you use Google before making the suggestions?
(Kettle, meet Pot.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30946760</id>
	<title>Re:4 Screens</title>
	<author>eatsleeplim</author>
	<datestamp>1264797660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm using 2 screens using AMD 780G (yes, it's integrated graphics) and KDE - and using fglrx. Wasn't too much tinkering to set it up. Also works similarly to the parent post:
- single X Session, not using Xinerama, and maximize button stretches a single full monitor.
- Able to stretch the window to full size across the 2 monitors too.
- Multiple desktops to manage windows
- blah blah blah.

Yes, it doesn't work exactly as what the original poster asked for, but I do find the setup sufficient (at least for my needs anyways). Also, software like Yakuake to provide me a drop-down terminal (on one monitor) which works across the virtual desktops as well...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm using 2 screens using AMD 780G ( yes , it 's integrated graphics ) and KDE - and using fglrx .
Was n't too much tinkering to set it up .
Also works similarly to the parent post : - single X Session , not using Xinerama , and maximize button stretches a single full monitor .
- Able to stretch the window to full size across the 2 monitors too .
- Multiple desktops to manage windows - blah blah blah .
Yes , it does n't work exactly as what the original poster asked for , but I do find the setup sufficient ( at least for my needs anyways ) .
Also , software like Yakuake to provide me a drop-down terminal ( on one monitor ) which works across the virtual desktops as well.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm using 2 screens using AMD 780G (yes, it's integrated graphics) and KDE - and using fglrx.
Wasn't too much tinkering to set it up.
Also works similarly to the parent post:
- single X Session, not using Xinerama, and maximize button stretches a single full monitor.
- Able to stretch the window to full size across the 2 monitors too.
- Multiple desktops to manage windows
- blah blah blah.
Yes, it doesn't work exactly as what the original poster asked for, but I do find the setup sufficient (at least for my needs anyways).
Also, software like Yakuake to provide me a drop-down terminal (on one monitor) which works across the virtual desktops as well...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30947324</id>
	<title>Re:neither mirrored nor spanned</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264761480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually it is not that unusual, since I wanted exactly that some years ago. I could not find out how that time and still do not know today.<br>I came up with a plan anyway but did not have time and pain enough to put it into code.<br>The main concept is to use a spanned setup and a custom virtual desktop handler. Since a virtual desktop is nothing more than a clever way to hide and show windows when you switch, that same thing could be done dependent on the monitor you are on. I.e. if you are on the left monitor and switch desktops all windows on that monitor are hidden and all windows which are assigned to the desktop you switched to are shown. Windows on the right monitor are left untouched as if they were sticky/visible on all desktops. If you have multiple desktops for the left and only one for the right monitor you could actually go with sticky windows.<br>But that was not what I (and I assume the OP, too) wanted. The real solution would allow to switch the desktop on the right monitor while treating all windows on left as sticky.</p><p>BTW: you need such a setup to have e.g. an editor desktop, an IDE desktop and multiple terminal deskops (with remote sessions to different remote machines) on the left and a browser desktop, a man-page desktop, more terminal desktops (to the same and other remote machines) and a database client desktop on the right monitor. This is needed because in the course of your work you need to have different pairs of things like editor and database, IDE and browser, editor and browser, editor and remote terminal, one remote terminal and other remote terminal, remote terminal and man page, etc...</p><p>This could be done with two separate and independent X sessions, but sometimes you'd really like to have two of those remote sessions on the right monitor visible at the same time or you find yourself constantly flipping between the browser and the database client on the right monitor and wish you could just drag the latter to the left monitor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually it is not that unusual , since I wanted exactly that some years ago .
I could not find out how that time and still do not know today.I came up with a plan anyway but did not have time and pain enough to put it into code.The main concept is to use a spanned setup and a custom virtual desktop handler .
Since a virtual desktop is nothing more than a clever way to hide and show windows when you switch , that same thing could be done dependent on the monitor you are on .
I.e. if you are on the left monitor and switch desktops all windows on that monitor are hidden and all windows which are assigned to the desktop you switched to are shown .
Windows on the right monitor are left untouched as if they were sticky/visible on all desktops .
If you have multiple desktops for the left and only one for the right monitor you could actually go with sticky windows.But that was not what I ( and I assume the OP , too ) wanted .
The real solution would allow to switch the desktop on the right monitor while treating all windows on left as sticky.BTW : you need such a setup to have e.g .
an editor desktop , an IDE desktop and multiple terminal deskops ( with remote sessions to different remote machines ) on the left and a browser desktop , a man-page desktop , more terminal desktops ( to the same and other remote machines ) and a database client desktop on the right monitor .
This is needed because in the course of your work you need to have different pairs of things like editor and database , IDE and browser , editor and browser , editor and remote terminal , one remote terminal and other remote terminal , remote terminal and man page , etc...This could be done with two separate and independent X sessions , but sometimes you 'd really like to have two of those remote sessions on the right monitor visible at the same time or you find yourself constantly flipping between the browser and the database client on the right monitor and wish you could just drag the latter to the left monitor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually it is not that unusual, since I wanted exactly that some years ago.
I could not find out how that time and still do not know today.I came up with a plan anyway but did not have time and pain enough to put it into code.The main concept is to use a spanned setup and a custom virtual desktop handler.
Since a virtual desktop is nothing more than a clever way to hide and show windows when you switch, that same thing could be done dependent on the monitor you are on.
I.e. if you are on the left monitor and switch desktops all windows on that monitor are hidden and all windows which are assigned to the desktop you switched to are shown.
Windows on the right monitor are left untouched as if they were sticky/visible on all desktops.
If you have multiple desktops for the left and only one for the right monitor you could actually go with sticky windows.But that was not what I (and I assume the OP, too) wanted.
The real solution would allow to switch the desktop on the right monitor while treating all windows on left as sticky.BTW: you need such a setup to have e.g.
an editor desktop, an IDE desktop and multiple terminal deskops (with remote sessions to different remote machines) on the left and a browser desktop, a man-page desktop, more terminal desktops (to the same and other remote machines) and a database client desktop on the right monitor.
This is needed because in the course of your work you need to have different pairs of things like editor and database, IDE and browser, editor and browser, editor and remote terminal, one remote terminal and other remote terminal, remote terminal and man page, etc...This could be done with two separate and independent X sessions, but sometimes you'd really like to have two of those remote sessions on the right monitor visible at the same time or you find yourself constantly flipping between the browser and the database client on the right monitor and wish you could just drag the latter to the left monitor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.31011734</id>
	<title>Compiz output settings!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264961100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You need to set it up w/ twinview as one big monitor then setup your outputs in compiz,<br>this gives you the best of both worlds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You need to set it up w/ twinview as one big monitor then setup your outputs in compiz,this gives you the best of both worlds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You need to set it up w/ twinview as one big monitor then setup your outputs in compiz,this gives you the best of both worlds.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940734</id>
	<title>Re:xinerama and xrandr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264672020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>xinerama + xrandr does not solve the question posed by the OP.  Xinerama allows the two alternatives mentioned in the OP as the undesired options (i.e. either two monitors as one screen sharing a workspace, or a separate screen on each monitor which does not allow moving windows between screens).</p><p>OP wants two monitors with their own separate workspaces, <i>while still being able to drag windows between them</i>.</p><p>In other words, OP wants to be able to transfer running applications between separate X screens, which to my knowledge is not currently possible (or, if it's possible, the functionality is not exposed in Gnome or KDE).</p><p>This isn't "+1 Insightful", it's "-1 Didn't bother reading the OP" (or "-1 Doesn't really know what xinerama+xrandr does").</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>xinerama + xrandr does not solve the question posed by the OP .
Xinerama allows the two alternatives mentioned in the OP as the undesired options ( i.e .
either two monitors as one screen sharing a workspace , or a separate screen on each monitor which does not allow moving windows between screens ) .OP wants two monitors with their own separate workspaces , while still being able to drag windows between them.In other words , OP wants to be able to transfer running applications between separate X screens , which to my knowledge is not currently possible ( or , if it 's possible , the functionality is not exposed in Gnome or KDE ) .This is n't " + 1 Insightful " , it 's " -1 Did n't bother reading the OP " ( or " -1 Does n't really know what xinerama + xrandr does " ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>xinerama + xrandr does not solve the question posed by the OP.
Xinerama allows the two alternatives mentioned in the OP as the undesired options (i.e.
either two monitors as one screen sharing a workspace, or a separate screen on each monitor which does not allow moving windows between screens).OP wants two monitors with their own separate workspaces, while still being able to drag windows between them.In other words, OP wants to be able to transfer running applications between separate X screens, which to my knowledge is not currently possible (or, if it's possible, the functionality is not exposed in Gnome or KDE).This isn't "+1 Insightful", it's "-1 Didn't bother reading the OP" (or "-1 Doesn't really know what xinerama+xrandr does").</sentencetext>
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	<title>Example xorg.conf supporting four monitor</title>
	<author>bakaorg</author>
	<datestamp>1264679460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>This is an xorg.conf which supports four screen display, two per<br>PCI card. Note that not all X11 drivers support non-xinerama<br>mode (certainly with one card, possibly even with multiple<br>cards). Specifcally the Intel driver people explicitly removed<br>the working functionality and refuse to believe that anyone<br>actually wants this<br> <br>Section "ServerLayout"<br>  Identifier  "Default"<br>  Screen   0 "Screen Samsung NV1 CRT"<br>  Screen   1 "Screen Samsung NV1 DVI" RightOf "Screen Samsung NV1 CRT"<br>  Screen   2 "Screen Samsung NV2 CRT" RightOf "Screen Samsung NV1 DVI"<br>  Screen   3 "Screen Samsung NV2 DVI" RightOf "Screen Samsung NV2 CRT"<br>  InputDevice  "Mouse-MX510" "CorePointer"<br>  InputDevice  "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"<br>EndSection<br> <br>Section "InputDevice"<br>  Identifier "Keyboard1"<br>  Driver   "kbd"<br>  Option    "XkbModel" "pc104"<br>  Option    "XkbLayout" "us"<br>EndSection<br> <br>Section "InputDevice"<br>  Identifier "Mouse-basic"<br>  Driver   "mouse"<br>  Option    "Protcol" "IMPS/2"<br>  Option    "Device" "/dev/input/mice"<br>  Option    "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"<br>  Option    "Emulate3Buttons" "yes"<br>EndSection<br> <br>Section "InputDevice"<br>  Identifier "Mouse-MX510"<br>  Driver   "evdev"<br>  Option    "Device" "/dev/input/event3"<br>  Option    "Buttons" "10"<br>  Option    "ZAxisMapping" "9 10"<br>  Option    "Name" "Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse"<br>  Option    "Resolution" "800"<br>  Option    "Emulate3Buttons" "no"<br>EndSection<br> <br>Section "Monitor"<br>  Identifier "Samsung204LCD"<br>  VendorName "Samsung"<br>  ModelName  "SyncMaster 204T"<br>  HorizSync  30.0 - 75.0<br>  VertRefresh 60.0 - 60.0<br>  DisplaySize 411 311<br>  Option    "dpms"<br>EndSection<br> <br>Section "Monitor"<br>  Identifier "Samsung226LCD"<br>  VendorName "Samsung"<br>  ModelName  "SyncMaster 226BW"<br>  HorizSync  30.0 - 75.0<br>  VertRefresh 60.0 - 60.0<br>  Option    "dpms"<br>EndSection<br> <br>Section "Device"<br>  Identifier  "nvidia1-crt"<br>  Driver    "nvidia"<br>  VendorName  "nVidia Corporation"<br>  BoardName  "NV44A [GeForce 6200]"<br>  VideoRam  262144<br>  BusID    "PCI:3:1:0"<br>  screen    0<br>  Option "DPMS" "true"<br>  Option "RandRRotation" "true"<br>EndSection<br> <br>Section "Device"<br>  Identifier  "nvidia1-dfp"<br>  Driver    "nvidia"<br>  VendorName  "nVidia Corporation"<br>  BoardName  "NV44A [GeForce 6200]"<br>  BusID    "PCI:3:1:0"<br>  screen    1<br>  Option "DPMS" "true"<br>  Option "RandRRotation" "true"<br>EndSection<br> <br>Sectio</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is an xorg.conf which supports four screen display , two perPCI card .
Note that not all X11 drivers support non-xineramamode ( certainly with one card , possibly even with multiplecards ) .
Specifcally the Intel driver people explicitly removedthe working functionality and refuse to believe that anyoneactually wants this Section " ServerLayout " Identifier " Default " Screen 0 " Screen Samsung NV1 CRT " Screen 1 " Screen Samsung NV1 DVI " RightOf " Screen Samsung NV1 CRT " Screen 2 " Screen Samsung NV2 CRT " RightOf " Screen Samsung NV1 DVI " Screen 3 " Screen Samsung NV2 DVI " RightOf " Screen Samsung NV2 CRT " InputDevice " Mouse-MX510 " " CorePointer " InputDevice " Keyboard1 " " CoreKeyboard " EndSection Section " InputDevice " Identifier " Keyboard1 " Driver " kbd " Option " XkbModel " " pc104 " Option " XkbLayout " " us " EndSection Section " InputDevice " Identifier " Mouse-basic " Driver " mouse " Option " Protcol " " IMPS/2 " Option " Device " " /dev/input/mice " Option " ZAxisMapping " " 4 5 6 7 " Option " Emulate3Buttons " " yes " EndSection Section " InputDevice " Identifier " Mouse-MX510 " Driver " evdev " Option " Device " " /dev/input/event3 " Option " Buttons " " 10 " Option " ZAxisMapping " " 9 10 " Option " Name " " Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse " Option " Resolution " " 800 " Option " Emulate3Buttons " " no " EndSection Section " Monitor " Identifier " Samsung204LCD " VendorName " Samsung " ModelName " SyncMaster 204T " HorizSync 30.0 - 75.0 VertRefresh 60.0 - 60.0 DisplaySize 411 311 Option " dpms " EndSection Section " Monitor " Identifier " Samsung226LCD " VendorName " Samsung " ModelName " SyncMaster 226BW " HorizSync 30.0 - 75.0 VertRefresh 60.0 - 60.0 Option " dpms " EndSection Section " Device " Identifier " nvidia1-crt " Driver " nvidia " VendorName " nVidia Corporation " BoardName " NV44A [ GeForce 6200 ] " VideoRam 262144 BusID " PCI : 3 : 1 : 0 " screen 0 Option " DPMS " " true " Option " RandRRotation " " true " EndSection Section " Device " Identifier " nvidia1-dfp " Driver " nvidia " VendorName " nVidia Corporation " BoardName " NV44A [ GeForce 6200 ] " BusID " PCI : 3 : 1 : 0 " screen 1 Option " DPMS " " true " Option " RandRRotation " " true " EndSection Sectio</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is an xorg.conf which supports four screen display, two perPCI card.
Note that not all X11 drivers support non-xineramamode (certainly with one card, possibly even with multiplecards).
Specifcally the Intel driver people explicitly removedthe working functionality and refuse to believe that anyoneactually wants this Section "ServerLayout"  Identifier  "Default"  Screen   0 "Screen Samsung NV1 CRT"  Screen   1 "Screen Samsung NV1 DVI" RightOf "Screen Samsung NV1 CRT"  Screen   2 "Screen Samsung NV2 CRT" RightOf "Screen Samsung NV1 DVI"  Screen   3 "Screen Samsung NV2 DVI" RightOf "Screen Samsung NV2 CRT"  InputDevice  "Mouse-MX510" "CorePointer"  InputDevice  "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"EndSection Section "InputDevice"  Identifier "Keyboard1"  Driver   "kbd"  Option    "XkbModel" "pc104"  Option    "XkbLayout" "us"EndSection Section "InputDevice"  Identifier "Mouse-basic"  Driver   "mouse"  Option    "Protcol" "IMPS/2"  Option    "Device" "/dev/input/mice"  Option    "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"  Option    "Emulate3Buttons" "yes"EndSection Section "InputDevice"  Identifier "Mouse-MX510"  Driver   "evdev"  Option    "Device" "/dev/input/event3"  Option    "Buttons" "10"  Option    "ZAxisMapping" "9 10"  Option    "Name" "Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse"  Option    "Resolution" "800"  Option    "Emulate3Buttons" "no"EndSection Section "Monitor"  Identifier "Samsung204LCD"  VendorName "Samsung"  ModelName  "SyncMaster 204T"  HorizSync  30.0 - 75.0  VertRefresh 60.0 - 60.0  DisplaySize 411 311  Option    "dpms"EndSection Section "Monitor"  Identifier "Samsung226LCD"  VendorName "Samsung"  ModelName  "SyncMaster 226BW"  HorizSync  30.0 - 75.0  VertRefresh 60.0 - 60.0  Option    "dpms"EndSection Section "Device"  Identifier  "nvidia1-crt"  Driver    "nvidia"  VendorName  "nVidia Corporation"  BoardName  "NV44A [GeForce 6200]"  VideoRam  262144  BusID    "PCI:3:1:0"  screen    0  Option "DPMS" "true"  Option "RandRRotation" "true"EndSection Section "Device"  Identifier  "nvidia1-dfp"  Driver    "nvidia"  VendorName  "nVidia Corporation"  BoardName  "NV44A [GeForce 6200]"  BusID    "PCI:3:1:0"  screen    1  Option "DPMS" "true"  Option "RandRRotation" "true"EndSection Sectio</sentencetext>
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	<title>neither mirrored nor spanned</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264670880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most people want mirrored or spanned.  What you're looking for lies somewhere in between.  The trick being to enable spaces control on individual displays, while still allowing drag between displays.</p><p>Good luck, haven't seen it.  What you want is sufficiently unusual that there may not be anything that provides it.  I suggest looking for someone else that's made their own variation of spaces support themselves, that offers the option to switch spaces per-display, as the odds of finding someone that's hacked an existing spaces to be per-monitor is probably going to be low.</p><p>The other route would be to find a different variation on spanning, such that the separate monitors aren't necessarily spanned, but are simply adjacent, and if you try to drag a window, it can't exist partly on one display and partly on the other, but you can still drag a window from one display to the other.  That may still allow you individual spaces control perhaps?  I think that's the reason you're having problems, is that most spanning allows a window to overlap off one display onto another, so for one display to change space it requires the others to change also.  If you look at it that way I think you'll realize what you're initially asking for doesn't make sense. (if the displays are truly spanned (attached) and not simply adjacent)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people want mirrored or spanned .
What you 're looking for lies somewhere in between .
The trick being to enable spaces control on individual displays , while still allowing drag between displays.Good luck , have n't seen it .
What you want is sufficiently unusual that there may not be anything that provides it .
I suggest looking for someone else that 's made their own variation of spaces support themselves , that offers the option to switch spaces per-display , as the odds of finding someone that 's hacked an existing spaces to be per-monitor is probably going to be low.The other route would be to find a different variation on spanning , such that the separate monitors are n't necessarily spanned , but are simply adjacent , and if you try to drag a window , it ca n't exist partly on one display and partly on the other , but you can still drag a window from one display to the other .
That may still allow you individual spaces control perhaps ?
I think that 's the reason you 're having problems , is that most spanning allows a window to overlap off one display onto another , so for one display to change space it requires the others to change also .
If you look at it that way I think you 'll realize what you 're initially asking for does n't make sense .
( if the displays are truly spanned ( attached ) and not simply adjacent )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people want mirrored or spanned.
What you're looking for lies somewhere in between.
The trick being to enable spaces control on individual displays, while still allowing drag between displays.Good luck, haven't seen it.
What you want is sufficiently unusual that there may not be anything that provides it.
I suggest looking for someone else that's made their own variation of spaces support themselves, that offers the option to switch spaces per-display, as the odds of finding someone that's hacked an existing spaces to be per-monitor is probably going to be low.The other route would be to find a different variation on spanning, such that the separate monitors aren't necessarily spanned, but are simply adjacent, and if you try to drag a window, it can't exist partly on one display and partly on the other, but you can still drag a window from one display to the other.
That may still allow you individual spaces control perhaps?
I think that's the reason you're having problems, is that most spanning allows a window to overlap off one display onto another, so for one display to change space it requires the others to change also.
If you look at it that way I think you'll realize what you're initially asking for doesn't make sense.
(if the displays are truly spanned (attached) and not simply adjacent)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940350</id>
	<title>Anti-Slashdot answer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264671000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> I need something in the middle &mdash; a separate workspace for each screen, so that I can have independent virtual desktops on each screen, but still have the ability to move applications between monitors</p> </div><p>Use windows.  Seriously.  It solves all of the problems you are discussing.  There is really no reason not to. blahblahblahblahblah</p><p>Sounds like every response to every article that poses a windows problem and someone says "why arent you using linux?"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I need something in the middle    a separate workspace for each screen , so that I can have independent virtual desktops on each screen , but still have the ability to move applications between monitors Use windows .
Seriously. It solves all of the problems you are discussing .
There is really no reason not to .
blahblahblahblahblahSounds like every response to every article that poses a windows problem and someone says " why arent you using linux ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I need something in the middle — a separate workspace for each screen, so that I can have independent virtual desktops on each screen, but still have the ability to move applications between monitors Use windows.
Seriously.  It solves all of the problems you are discussing.
There is really no reason not to.
blahblahblahblahblahSounds like every response to every article that poses a windows problem and someone says "why arent you using linux?
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30943794</id>
	<title>6 Monitors - Compiz Fusion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264683900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>6 Monitors - Ubuntu 8.04 - Compiz Fusion - XGL NVIDIA Working!</p><p>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=884161</p><p>Im running kubuntu 9.10, kde4.3, 3 mointors (24 inch 1920*1080) with full effects.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>6 Monitors - Ubuntu 8.04 - Compiz Fusion - XGL NVIDIA Working ! http : //ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php ? t = 884161Im running kubuntu 9.10 , kde4.3 , 3 mointors ( 24 inch 1920 * 1080 ) with full effects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>6 Monitors - Ubuntu 8.04 - Compiz Fusion - XGL NVIDIA Working!http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=884161Im running kubuntu 9.10, kde4.3, 3 mointors (24 inch 1920*1080) with full effects.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941366</id>
	<title>Re:Win7</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264673820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>ewwww.</htmltext>
<tokenext>ewwww .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ewwww.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941490</id>
	<title>Wow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264674180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know I'll get modded down for Linux bashing, but... this capability has been around on the Windows world since Windows NT.  I think you could do it on '98 with some fiddling.  It surprises me that this is not something Linux can do out-of-the-box.  Is this a driver issue, or some limitation in the X architecture?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know I 'll get modded down for Linux bashing , but... this capability has been around on the Windows world since Windows NT .
I think you could do it on '98 with some fiddling .
It surprises me that this is not something Linux can do out-of-the-box .
Is this a driver issue , or some limitation in the X architecture ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know I'll get modded down for Linux bashing, but... this capability has been around on the Windows world since Windows NT.
I think you could do it on '98 with some fiddling.
It surprises me that this is not something Linux can do out-of-the-box.
Is this a driver issue, or some limitation in the X architecture?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942420</id>
	<title>Maybe try Xnest?</title>
	<author>ericberm</author>
	<datestamp>1264677360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For testing purposes, on a dual monitor twinview setup, I've fired up Xnest with geometry that matches the resolution of one of my monitors to give me the feel of 2 X sessions running at once.</p><p>Xnest -geometry 1920x1200 -query localhost<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:0</p><p>I know this doesn't exactly answer the question nor solve the problem of moving windows across X servers, but depending on why you are trying to run 2 separate X's, perhaps this could work.  I find the Xnest is great for trying to debug users dot file problems or creating global X settings.</p><p>I also seem to remember a way to share just the graphics of a particular application between two remote X servers (i.e. display just firefox on a remote machine), but can't remember the exact command;  this was back in the sgi days.  At any rate, if you want to just see the same app running on both X sessions, perhaps something like that could work well if you use localhost.</p><p>Hope that helps, but like I said it doesn't sound exactly like what you are looking for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For testing purposes , on a dual monitor twinview setup , I 've fired up Xnest with geometry that matches the resolution of one of my monitors to give me the feel of 2 X sessions running at once.Xnest -geometry 1920x1200 -query localhost : 0I know this does n't exactly answer the question nor solve the problem of moving windows across X servers , but depending on why you are trying to run 2 separate X 's , perhaps this could work .
I find the Xnest is great for trying to debug users dot file problems or creating global X settings.I also seem to remember a way to share just the graphics of a particular application between two remote X servers ( i.e .
display just firefox on a remote machine ) , but ca n't remember the exact command ; this was back in the sgi days .
At any rate , if you want to just see the same app running on both X sessions , perhaps something like that could work well if you use localhost.Hope that helps , but like I said it does n't sound exactly like what you are looking for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For testing purposes, on a dual monitor twinview setup, I've fired up Xnest with geometry that matches the resolution of one of my monitors to give me the feel of 2 X sessions running at once.Xnest -geometry 1920x1200 -query localhost :0I know this doesn't exactly answer the question nor solve the problem of moving windows across X servers, but depending on why you are trying to run 2 separate X's, perhaps this could work.
I find the Xnest is great for trying to debug users dot file problems or creating global X settings.I also seem to remember a way to share just the graphics of a particular application between two remote X servers (i.e.
display just firefox on a remote machine), but can't remember the exact command;  this was back in the sgi days.
At any rate, if you want to just see the same app running on both X sessions, perhaps something like that could work well if you use localhost.Hope that helps, but like I said it doesn't sound exactly like what you are looking for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30947104</id>
	<title>How about sticky apps?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264758660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not exactly the same, but:</p><p>How about making the applications "sticky" so if you change virtualdesktop the second screen stays intact.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not exactly the same , but : How about making the applications " sticky " so if you change virtualdesktop the second screen stays intact .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not exactly the same, but:How about making the applications "sticky" so if you change virtualdesktop the second screen stays intact.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941894</id>
	<title>Try Windows</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264675620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've installed dual-screen with Windows 7 on two different computers with absolutely no hassle.<br>Even the lowliest of end-users can manage the config console.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've installed dual-screen with Windows 7 on two different computers with absolutely no hassle.Even the lowliest of end-users can manage the config console .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've installed dual-screen with Windows 7 on two different computers with absolutely no hassle.Even the lowliest of end-users can manage the config console.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940768</id>
	<title>Enlightenment 17</title>
	<author>jimduchek</author>
	<datestamp>1264672080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Enlightenment 17 is the only WM (aside from, I think, a tiling one called 'Awesome') that lets you change desktops on a per-monitor basis while having TwinView or Xinerama active (so you can drag windows between).  Compiz ought to be able to do it, but for some reason does not.  Expect some stability issues with E17, though.  I ended up going back to seperate screens, as I don't drag between monitors often and E17 crashes too much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Enlightenment 17 is the only WM ( aside from , I think , a tiling one called 'Awesome ' ) that lets you change desktops on a per-monitor basis while having TwinView or Xinerama active ( so you can drag windows between ) .
Compiz ought to be able to do it , but for some reason does not .
Expect some stability issues with E17 , though .
I ended up going back to seperate screens , as I do n't drag between monitors often and E17 crashes too much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Enlightenment 17 is the only WM (aside from, I think, a tiling one called 'Awesome') that lets you change desktops on a per-monitor basis while having TwinView or Xinerama active (so you can drag windows between).
Compiz ought to be able to do it, but for some reason does not.
Expect some stability issues with E17, though.
I ended up going back to seperate screens, as I don't drag between monitors often and E17 crashes too much.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940148</id>
	<title>tiling</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264670460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know you don't want a tiling manager, but for anyone wondering, I can speak from experience that dwm works wonderfully with two monitors. I run an external 1920x1200 display, and an internal 1024x600 from my netbook.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know you do n't want a tiling manager , but for anyone wondering , I can speak from experience that dwm works wonderfully with two monitors .
I run an external 1920x1200 display , and an internal 1024x600 from my netbook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know you don't want a tiling manager, but for anyone wondering, I can speak from experience that dwm works wonderfully with two monitors.
I run an external 1920x1200 display, and an internal 1024x600 from my netbook.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942176</id>
	<title>Re:gnome is just fine.</title>
	<author>serviscope\_minor</author>
	<datestamp>1264676520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What happens when you go to a virtual desktop? Do all the windows on both screens change? If yes, then you just failed to read the summary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when you go to a virtual desktop ?
Do all the windows on both screens change ?
If yes , then you just failed to read the summary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when you go to a virtual desktop?
Do all the windows on both screens change?
If yes, then you just failed to read the summary.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941612</id>
	<title>Re:xinerama and xrandr</title>
	<author>multipart/mixed</author>
	<datestamp>1264674660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Believe or not, if you use a win32 box as an X-Terminal via xmingw or cygwin/X, configured in no-root (floating window mode), and let win32 handle the dual monitors... You really get the best of both worlds.</p><p>I stumbled on this solution a couple of years ago, and although my primary setup is a Sun with two separate displays (no xinerama), I like it quite a lot.</p><p>Also, windows has a nifty target when you click the control key so you can find that lost mouse pointer. Unnecessary with only two monitors, but once you have 3 or 4 it's a godsend.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Believe or not , if you use a win32 box as an X-Terminal via xmingw or cygwin/X , configured in no-root ( floating window mode ) , and let win32 handle the dual monitors... You really get the best of both worlds.I stumbled on this solution a couple of years ago , and although my primary setup is a Sun with two separate displays ( no xinerama ) , I like it quite a lot.Also , windows has a nifty target when you click the control key so you can find that lost mouse pointer .
Unnecessary with only two monitors , but once you have 3 or 4 it 's a godsend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Believe or not, if you use a win32 box as an X-Terminal via xmingw or cygwin/X, configured in no-root (floating window mode), and let win32 handle the dual monitors... You really get the best of both worlds.I stumbled on this solution a couple of years ago, and although my primary setup is a Sun with two separate displays (no xinerama), I like it quite a lot.Also, windows has a nifty target when you click the control key so you can find that lost mouse pointer.
Unnecessary with only two monitors, but once you have 3 or 4 it's a godsend.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30945084</id>
	<title>Multiple Desktops &amp;&amp; Multiple X Servers?</title>
	<author>SavvyPlayer</author>
	<datestamp>1264693500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A variation on this theme, how about displaying an additional desktop from the current user session within a nested X server (a-la Xephyr)? Granted we don't yet have hardware acceleration in Xephyr, but all in good time...</htmltext>
<tokenext>A variation on this theme , how about displaying an additional desktop from the current user session within a nested X server ( a-la Xephyr ) ?
Granted we do n't yet have hardware acceleration in Xephyr , but all in good time.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A variation on this theme, how about displaying an additional desktop from the current user session within a nested X server (a-la Xephyr)?
Granted we don't yet have hardware acceleration in Xephyr, but all in good time...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30944818</id>
	<title>Re:X server abstraction makes this hard</title>
	<author>3.1415926535</author>
	<datestamp>1264691220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It does know the boundaries, that's what the Xinerama extension is for.  Try running "xdpyinfo -ext XINERAMA" and it should tell you where your screen edges are.</p><p>The inability for window managers to switch workspaces on your screens independently is purely a window manager limitation and not a limitation in X itself.</p><p>Likewise, the inability for the kernel to know about your card state was purely a limitation in the X drivers and not in XFree86/X.org itself.  That part is mostly fixed now (and was never a problem on NVIDIA).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It does know the boundaries , that 's what the Xinerama extension is for .
Try running " xdpyinfo -ext XINERAMA " and it should tell you where your screen edges are.The inability for window managers to switch workspaces on your screens independently is purely a window manager limitation and not a limitation in X itself.Likewise , the inability for the kernel to know about your card state was purely a limitation in the X drivers and not in XFree86/X.org itself .
That part is mostly fixed now ( and was never a problem on NVIDIA ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It does know the boundaries, that's what the Xinerama extension is for.
Try running "xdpyinfo -ext XINERAMA" and it should tell you where your screen edges are.The inability for window managers to switch workspaces on your screens independently is purely a window manager limitation and not a limitation in X itself.Likewise, the inability for the kernel to know about your card state was purely a limitation in the X drivers and not in XFree86/X.org itself.
That part is mostly fixed now (and was never a problem on NVIDIA).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30944330</id>
	<title>Re:Car analogy for Windows users</title>
	<author>stinerman</author>
	<datestamp>1264687560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I own a Ford Taurus, you insensitive clod!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I own a Ford Taurus , you insensitive clod !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I own a Ford Taurus, you insensitive clod!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30945336</id>
	<title>Re:4 Screens</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264696200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a work around though, but it's not perfect.</p><p>http://mugginix.com/articles/2009/Nov/12/Xinerama\_Composite\_Fail/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a work around though , but it 's not perfect.http : //mugginix.com/articles/2009/Nov/12/Xinerama \ _Composite \ _Fail/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a work around though, but it's not perfect.http://mugginix.com/articles/2009/Nov/12/Xinerama\_Composite\_Fail/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30944736</id>
	<title>Re:Have You Actually Tried It?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264690500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How do you get the applications to stick to one of 12 workspaces from session to session? I haven't figured that one out yet, so every time I log in I have to shove apps around<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you get the applications to stick to one of 12 workspaces from session to session ?
I have n't figured that one out yet , so every time I log in I have to shove apps around .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you get the applications to stick to one of 12 workspaces from session to session?
I haven't figured that one out yet, so every time I log in I have to shove apps around ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940220</id>
	<title>Just adjust your usage</title>
	<author>keithpreston</author>
	<datestamp>1264670640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's is going to be more work finding something that works as opposed to just adjusting your usage.   Sad, but true...  Plus the more monitors you have the less workspaces you will use.   I currently have a 6 monitor setup (4 linux, 2 windows) and from just setting up 4 on linux, I would go with whatever works first.   I'm just glad maximize works to maximize the window to a single monitor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's is going to be more work finding something that works as opposed to just adjusting your usage .
Sad , but true... Plus the more monitors you have the less workspaces you will use .
I currently have a 6 monitor setup ( 4 linux , 2 windows ) and from just setting up 4 on linux , I would go with whatever works first .
I 'm just glad maximize works to maximize the window to a single monitor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's is going to be more work finding something that works as opposed to just adjusting your usage.
Sad, but true...  Plus the more monitors you have the less workspaces you will use.
I currently have a 6 monitor setup (4 linux, 2 windows) and from just setting up 4 on linux, I would go with whatever works first.
I'm just glad maximize works to maximize the window to a single monitor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30946880</id>
	<title>Re:4 Screens</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264755660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ATI works very good as well, I've had zero issues with 2 screen setup in Kubuntu so far.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ATI works very good as well , I 've had zero issues with 2 screen setup in Kubuntu so far .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ATI works very good as well, I've had zero issues with 2 screen setup in Kubuntu so far.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942464</id>
	<title>Re:xinerama and xrandr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264677600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I did that with nvidia cards and xinerama. when i maximasie one window it will only maximise over one screen and not span both.<br>I can drag windows from one screen to the other. i cant  however run separate window managers but i se no point in that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did that with nvidia cards and xinerama .
when i maximasie one window it will only maximise over one screen and not span both.I can drag windows from one screen to the other .
i cant however run separate window managers but i se no point in that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did that with nvidia cards and xinerama.
when i maximasie one window it will only maximise over one screen and not span both.I can drag windows from one screen to the other.
i cant  however run separate window managers but i se no point in that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30947224</id>
	<title>If all else fails,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264760340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ask <a href="http://www.rahul.net/kenton/index.shtml" title="rahul.net" rel="nofollow">this guy</a> [rahul.net]. He knows everything about the X Window System.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ask this guy [ rahul.net ] .
He knows everything about the X Window System .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ask this guy [rahul.net].
He knows everything about the X Window System.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30945502</id>
	<title>Xmonad</title>
	<author>chthonicdaemon</author>
	<datestamp>1264698240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is one of the front-page features of <a href="http://xmonad.org/" title="xmonad.org">xmonad</a> [xmonad.org], which appears to be able to play with a desktop as well</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is one of the front-page features of xmonad [ xmonad.org ] , which appears to be able to play with a desktop as well</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is one of the front-page features of xmonad [xmonad.org], which appears to be able to play with a desktop as well</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942738</id>
	<title>e16</title>
	<author>Narcocide</author>
	<datestamp>1264678500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>apt-get install e16</p><p>This window manager may be old fashioned but it still has by far the most flexible as well as responsive virtual desktop to be found in modern software, period.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>apt-get install e16This window manager may be old fashioned but it still has by far the most flexible as well as responsive virtual desktop to be found in modern software , period .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>apt-get install e16This window manager may be old fashioned but it still has by far the most flexible as well as responsive virtual desktop to be found in modern software, period.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30948060</id>
	<title>e17 + xrandr!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264772220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm quite happy with enlightenment and my intel card that uses xrandr.<br>works fine, handle virtuals desktops on each screens (not like this sucky gnome)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm quite happy with enlightenment and my intel card that uses xrandr.works fine , handle virtuals desktops on each screens ( not like this sucky gnome )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm quite happy with enlightenment and my intel card that uses xrandr.works fine, handle virtuals desktops on each screens (not like this sucky gnome)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942296</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>mister\_playboy</author>
	<datestamp>1264676940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I know I'll get modded down for Linux bashing, but... this capability has been around on the Windows world since Windows NT.</p></div><p>No, it hasn't.  Virtual desktops have never been a part of Windows, except in the form of glitchy third-party tools, and even those don't offer functionality comparable to what the OP is asking for.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know I 'll get modded down for Linux bashing , but... this capability has been around on the Windows world since Windows NT.No , it has n't .
Virtual desktops have never been a part of Windows , except in the form of glitchy third-party tools , and even those do n't offer functionality comparable to what the OP is asking for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know I'll get modded down for Linux bashing, but... this capability has been around on the Windows world since Windows NT.No, it hasn't.
Virtual desktops have never been a part of Windows, except in the form of glitchy third-party tools, and even those don't offer functionality comparable to what the OP is asking for.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941490</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940278</id>
	<title>Re:xinerama and xrandr</title>
	<author>Jetrel</author>
	<datestamp>1264670760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why did I waste my mod points earlier.... +1 Insightful!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why did I waste my mod points earlier.... + 1 Insightful !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why did I waste my mod points earlier.... +1 Insightful!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940116</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30990024</id>
	<title>Re:Enlightenment</title>
	<author>Karcaw</author>
	<datestamp>1265032320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've used enlightenment 17 for many years now and been very happy with it.  I use 4 monitors, all with different 'screens', but can make windows stretch across all of them when needed.  I use the fake-xinerama options on startup to split up the screens presented by the nvidia driver into subscreens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've used enlightenment 17 for many years now and been very happy with it .
I use 4 monitors , all with different 'screens ' , but can make windows stretch across all of them when needed .
I use the fake-xinerama options on startup to split up the screens presented by the nvidia driver into subscreens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've used enlightenment 17 for many years now and been very happy with it.
I use 4 monitors, all with different 'screens', but can make windows stretch across all of them when needed.
I use the fake-xinerama options on startup to split up the screens presented by the nvidia driver into subscreens.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940338</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940634</id>
	<title>Ask Slashdot?</title>
	<author>Admiralbumblebee</author>
	<datestamp>1264671720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Has anyone noticed the OP never actually asked a question?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Has anyone noticed the OP never actually asked a question ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has anyone noticed the OP never actually asked a question?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941152</id>
	<title>Re:X is a four letter word</title>
	<author>slimjim8094</author>
	<datestamp>1264673160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're having trouble doing this with X, then maybe you should read the rest of the comments talking about how possible it is, and relatively easily.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're having trouble doing this with X , then maybe you should read the rest of the comments talking about how possible it is , and relatively easily .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're having trouble doing this with X, then maybe you should read the rest of the comments talking about how possible it is, and relatively easily.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940698</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30944996</id>
	<title>Re:Have You Actually Tried It?</title>
	<author>eriksallstrom</author>
	<datestamp>1264692720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How do you make two windows of the same browser, or from two different programs, show up positioned where you want them by pressing a Fn key? I really want to know!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you make two windows of the same browser , or from two different programs , show up positioned where you want them by pressing a Fn key ?
I really want to know !
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you make two windows of the same browser, or from two different programs, show up positioned where you want them by pressing a Fn key?
I really want to know!
:-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940992</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941876</id>
	<title>Re:Enlightenment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264675560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Don't worry it is not "officially" released, it's really stable, I've not seen a crash or anything for months.</p></div><p>Funny, I actually installed it yesterday. Crashed within the first 5 minutes.<br>Back to E16...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't worry it is not " officially " released , it 's really stable , I 've not seen a crash or anything for months.Funny , I actually installed it yesterday .
Crashed within the first 5 minutes.Back to E16.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't worry it is not "officially" released, it's really stable, I've not seen a crash or anything for months.Funny, I actually installed it yesterday.
Crashed within the first 5 minutes.Back to E16...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940338</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30943818</id>
	<title>XFCE + nVidia</title>
	<author>thunderbee</author>
	<datestamp>1264684080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But you didn't really research this did you? I have this very setup (one low-end nvidia card running the binary blob, 2 screens, each running a standalone workspace on a single session).<br>I googled it and had it setup in maybe 1 hour, research included.<br>In xorg you define two devices that are actually the same video card.<br>You define the two monitors.<br>You define two screens, each using its own device and monitor.<br>There you go.<br>I use XFCE, but I guess it would work with other WMs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But you did n't really research this did you ?
I have this very setup ( one low-end nvidia card running the binary blob , 2 screens , each running a standalone workspace on a single session ) .I googled it and had it setup in maybe 1 hour , research included.In xorg you define two devices that are actually the same video card.You define the two monitors.You define two screens , each using its own device and monitor.There you go.I use XFCE , but I guess it would work with other WMs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But you didn't really research this did you?
I have this very setup (one low-end nvidia card running the binary blob, 2 screens, each running a standalone workspace on a single session).I googled it and had it setup in maybe 1 hour, research included.In xorg you define two devices that are actually the same video card.You define the two monitors.You define two screens, each using its own device and monitor.There you go.I use XFCE, but I guess it would work with other WMs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941028</id>
	<title>Take it easy...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264672800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, there are multiple solutions to the problem.  Yes, Borov probably could have found this on his/her own by doing some more Google searches.  Yes, we need to be nicer to those new to Linux and try not to alienate newcomers.  People wouldn't be flocking to Apple's Genius Bar for help they were greeted with 'What the heck is wrong with you - didn't you check Google first?!?'.  We need to take it easy on those new to Linux.</p><p>Frankly, there are a lot of options available to get this working and they are all a bit confusing at first glance - options which other OSes do not provide.  There is tons of old information out there that can be misleading and can lead to a more complicated set of setup procedures than is really necessary with newer versions of the OS.</p><p>I've got a dual monitor setup working great with the nVidia setup as well.   With Fedora 12, dual monitor support works pretty well.  You can try out various configurations and see what works best for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , there are multiple solutions to the problem .
Yes , Borov probably could have found this on his/her own by doing some more Google searches .
Yes , we need to be nicer to those new to Linux and try not to alienate newcomers .
People would n't be flocking to Apple 's Genius Bar for help they were greeted with 'What the heck is wrong with you - did n't you check Google first ? ! ? ' .
We need to take it easy on those new to Linux.Frankly , there are a lot of options available to get this working and they are all a bit confusing at first glance - options which other OSes do not provide .
There is tons of old information out there that can be misleading and can lead to a more complicated set of setup procedures than is really necessary with newer versions of the OS.I 've got a dual monitor setup working great with the nVidia setup as well .
With Fedora 12 , dual monitor support works pretty well .
You can try out various configurations and see what works best for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, there are multiple solutions to the problem.
Yes, Borov probably could have found this on his/her own by doing some more Google searches.
Yes, we need to be nicer to those new to Linux and try not to alienate newcomers.
People wouldn't be flocking to Apple's Genius Bar for help they were greeted with 'What the heck is wrong with you - didn't you check Google first?!?'.
We need to take it easy on those new to Linux.Frankly, there are a lot of options available to get this working and they are all a bit confusing at first glance - options which other OSes do not provide.
There is tons of old information out there that can be misleading and can lead to a more complicated set of setup procedures than is really necessary with newer versions of the OS.I've got a dual monitor setup working great with the nVidia setup as well.
With Fedora 12, dual monitor support works pretty well.
You can try out various configurations and see what works best for you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30954276</id>
	<title>No Machine</title>
	<author>ClashTheBunny</author>
	<datestamp>1264756800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>NoMachine has this capability.  You can run individual applications, disconnect, and reconnect them on a different X session or computer.

I even set up the web based client that allowed me to tunnel into my running session over an HTTP proxy via SSH without installing any application.</htmltext>
<tokenext>NoMachine has this capability .
You can run individual applications , disconnect , and reconnect them on a different X session or computer .
I even set up the web based client that allowed me to tunnel into my running session over an HTTP proxy via SSH without installing any application .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NoMachine has this capability.
You can run individual applications, disconnect, and reconnect them on a different X session or computer.
I even set up the web based client that allowed me to tunnel into my running session over an HTTP proxy via SSH without installing any application.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940658</id>
	<title>Re:xinerama and xrandr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264671840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think that actually answers the OPs question. Xinerama or XRandR allow you to set up dual head (which the OP presumably already knows about - he talks about having "one big desktop," which is what Xinerama and XRandR give you), but virtual desktops are handled by the window manager, not by Xinerama or XRandR. A Xinerama or XRandR aware window manager <em>could</em> do what the OP wants, giving separate virtual desktops on each monitor, but simply using Xinerama or XRandR won't get that effect unless you use a specific window manager which offers that option.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think that actually answers the OPs question .
Xinerama or XRandR allow you to set up dual head ( which the OP presumably already knows about - he talks about having " one big desktop , " which is what Xinerama and XRandR give you ) , but virtual desktops are handled by the window manager , not by Xinerama or XRandR .
A Xinerama or XRandR aware window manager could do what the OP wants , giving separate virtual desktops on each monitor , but simply using Xinerama or XRandR wo n't get that effect unless you use a specific window manager which offers that option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think that actually answers the OPs question.
Xinerama or XRandR allow you to set up dual head (which the OP presumably already knows about - he talks about having "one big desktop," which is what Xinerama and XRandR give you), but virtual desktops are handled by the window manager, not by Xinerama or XRandR.
A Xinerama or XRandR aware window manager could do what the OP wants, giving separate virtual desktops on each monitor, but simply using Xinerama or XRandR won't get that effect unless you use a specific window manager which offers that option.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940116</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30944708</id>
	<title>Re:Ask Slashdot?</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1264690200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Ask" does not necessarily imply a question. You can ask Slashdot to help you with something. So no, you're not going to win from the pedantic front.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Ask " does not necessarily imply a question .
You can ask Slashdot to help you with something .
So no , you 're not going to win from the pedantic front .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Ask" does not necessarily imply a question.
You can ask Slashdot to help you with something.
So no, you're not going to win from the pedantic front.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940634</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30944458</id>
	<title>xmonad + KDE = awesome</title>
	<author>fusiongyro</author>
	<datestamp>1264688400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This may not be exactly what you want, but you can actually run <a href="http://www.xmonad.org/" title="xmonad.org">XMonad</a> [xmonad.org] as the WM on top of <a href="http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using\_xmonad\_in\_KDE" title="haskell.org">KDE</a> [haskell.org] or <a href="http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using\_xmonad\_in\_Gnome" title="haskell.org">GNOME</a> [haskell.org]. It comes with a configuration so you still have the Kicker wherever you put it. XMonad also can float arbitrary windows, either programmatically by their name or class, or manually by dragging them out of the tiles. I've been using XMonad for about three days, with KDE at work, and I like it tremendously; prior to this my only real experience with tiling WMs was with Ion/Pwm, which apparently intentionally does not support Xinerama in the core, though there is a plugin for it. Tuomo is about the whiniest programmer on the planet though. Something about Finnish programmers...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>Another thing to consider, though I'm not sure how doable this is in actuality, would be some kind of X proxy to launch your apps in, and then just run two X sessions, one for each display, and manually migrate them through the proxy when you need to. This, if it can be done, would be completely WM/DE agnostic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This may not be exactly what you want , but you can actually run XMonad [ xmonad.org ] as the WM on top of KDE [ haskell.org ] or GNOME [ haskell.org ] .
It comes with a configuration so you still have the Kicker wherever you put it .
XMonad also can float arbitrary windows , either programmatically by their name or class , or manually by dragging them out of the tiles .
I 've been using XMonad for about three days , with KDE at work , and I like it tremendously ; prior to this my only real experience with tiling WMs was with Ion/Pwm , which apparently intentionally does not support Xinerama in the core , though there is a plugin for it .
Tuomo is about the whiniest programmer on the planet though .
Something about Finnish programmers... ; ) Another thing to consider , though I 'm not sure how doable this is in actuality , would be some kind of X proxy to launch your apps in , and then just run two X sessions , one for each display , and manually migrate them through the proxy when you need to .
This , if it can be done , would be completely WM/DE agnostic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This may not be exactly what you want, but you can actually run XMonad [xmonad.org] as the WM on top of KDE [haskell.org] or GNOME [haskell.org].
It comes with a configuration so you still have the Kicker wherever you put it.
XMonad also can float arbitrary windows, either programmatically by their name or class, or manually by dragging them out of the tiles.
I've been using XMonad for about three days, with KDE at work, and I like it tremendously; prior to this my only real experience with tiling WMs was with Ion/Pwm, which apparently intentionally does not support Xinerama in the core, though there is a plugin for it.
Tuomo is about the whiniest programmer on the planet though.
Something about Finnish programmers... ;)Another thing to consider, though I'm not sure how doable this is in actuality, would be some kind of X proxy to launch your apps in, and then just run two X sessions, one for each display, and manually migrate them through the proxy when you need to.
This, if it can be done, would be completely WM/DE agnostic.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30961916</id>
	<title>Re:4 monitors - one desktop - here's how</title>
	<author>roubert</author>
	<datestamp>1264864560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>[...] I simply right-click on the icon in the upper-left corner (of most windows - Chrome beta doesn't have one for some reason)</p></div><p>To get the Window Menu provided by your window manager in Chrome you have to modify your settings and set Chrome to use the window manager to draw its window borders. Then it'll behave like any other application.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ ... ] I simply right-click on the icon in the upper-left corner ( of most windows - Chrome beta does n't have one for some reason ) To get the Window Menu provided by your window manager in Chrome you have to modify your settings and set Chrome to use the window manager to draw its window borders .
Then it 'll behave like any other application .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[...] I simply right-click on the icon in the upper-left corner (of most windows - Chrome beta doesn't have one for some reason)To get the Window Menu provided by your window manager in Chrome you have to modify your settings and set Chrome to use the window manager to draw its window borders.
Then it'll behave like any other application.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940328</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941262</id>
	<title>First Option Is To Just Try It &amp; See...</title>
	<author>pandrijeczko</author>
	<datestamp>1264673520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't necessarily ignore any of the other advice here but with the last two Gentoo Linux builds I've done using Xorg Server v1.6.5, the detection was pretty much automatic.</p><p>One was an ATI HD 3200 based laptop which, once I'd put the proprietary ATI drivers in place, didn't need anything added to xorg.conf, plus it detects the external display fine as well when plugged in; the other was an NVIDIA 7600GT based desktop which, again when I put the NVIDIA proprietary drivers in place, worked with only a few lines in xorg.conf, and that was because I had to get xorg to ignore the built in graphics card on the PC mobo which the BIOS wouldn't let me physically disable.</p><p>It is just worth starting Xorg and seeing what happens - if it's still not write, then start building an xorg.conf.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't necessarily ignore any of the other advice here but with the last two Gentoo Linux builds I 've done using Xorg Server v1.6.5 , the detection was pretty much automatic.One was an ATI HD 3200 based laptop which , once I 'd put the proprietary ATI drivers in place , did n't need anything added to xorg.conf , plus it detects the external display fine as well when plugged in ; the other was an NVIDIA 7600GT based desktop which , again when I put the NVIDIA proprietary drivers in place , worked with only a few lines in xorg.conf , and that was because I had to get xorg to ignore the built in graphics card on the PC mobo which the BIOS would n't let me physically disable.It is just worth starting Xorg and seeing what happens - if it 's still not write , then start building an xorg.conf .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't necessarily ignore any of the other advice here but with the last two Gentoo Linux builds I've done using Xorg Server v1.6.5, the detection was pretty much automatic.One was an ATI HD 3200 based laptop which, once I'd put the proprietary ATI drivers in place, didn't need anything added to xorg.conf, plus it detects the external display fine as well when plugged in; the other was an NVIDIA 7600GT based desktop which, again when I put the NVIDIA proprietary drivers in place, worked with only a few lines in xorg.conf, and that was because I had to get xorg to ignore the built in graphics card on the PC mobo which the BIOS wouldn't let me physically disable.It is just worth starting Xorg and seeing what happens - if it's still not write, then start building an xorg.conf.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940962</id>
	<title>what</title>
	<author>Punto</author>
	<datestamp>1264672620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>why not just put some windows on one screen and some windows on another screen? it doesn't matter if the window manager considers it "one workspace", it'll still be 2 workspaces because they'll be on different physicals screens in real life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>why not just put some windows on one screen and some windows on another screen ?
it does n't matter if the window manager considers it " one workspace " , it 'll still be 2 workspaces because they 'll be on different physicals screens in real life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why not just put some windows on one screen and some windows on another screen?
it doesn't matter if the window manager considers it "one workspace", it'll still be 2 workspaces because they'll be on different physicals screens in real life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30980244</id>
	<title>Compiz should add support for this</title>
	<author>khanyisa</author>
	<datestamp>1265035800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>I tried to suggest this on IRC last year:<br><br>Conversation with #compiz-fusion at Tue 03 Mar 2009 12:12:07 PM SAST on davidfraser@irc.freenode.net (irc)<br>(12:12:43 PM) davidfraser: I'm trying to get compiz to switch my Viewports independently for two screens - the mmmode setting seems to have no effect<br>(12:13:00 PM) davidfraser: I'm using Xrandr - do I need to rather configure multiple monitors in my xorg.conf to make this work?<br>(12:21:34 PM) maniac103: davidfraser: you need separate X screens (separate screen sections in xorg.conf), otherwise it's not possible<br>(12:21:50 PM) davidfraser: thanks maniac103<br>(12:22:12 PM) ***davidfraser thinks this is suboptimal, particularly for laptops where screens are attached and removed mid-session<br>(12:34:55 PM) crdlb: davidfraser: regardless, xrandr-output-specific viewport movement would be total crack<br>(12:56:40 PM) davidfraser: crdlb: Why do you say xrandr-output-specific viewport movement would be total crack? Methinks it would totally rock<br>(12:57:23 PM) adamk\_: It would be one massive hack to implement.<br>(12:57:41 PM) davidfraser: That's true...<br>(12:58:15 PM) adamk\_: Well what developer wants to constantly maintain a nasty hack moving forward?<br>(01:02:40 PM) davidfraser: OK the question is is it a desirable feature - if so perhaps more APIs etc need to be added to X to make it feasible in a non-hacky way<br>(01:09:52 PM) adamk\_: I don't like it in e17, so I doubt I'd like it in compiz. I'm quite sure others would feel differently.<br>(01:09:56 PM) adamk\_: So get coding then<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)<br>(01:13:52 PM) davidfraser:<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)<br></tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried to suggest this on IRC last year : Conversation with # compiz-fusion at Tue 03 Mar 2009 12 : 12 : 07 PM SAST on davidfraser @ irc.freenode.net ( irc ) ( 12 : 12 : 43 PM ) davidfraser : I 'm trying to get compiz to switch my Viewports independently for two screens - the mmmode setting seems to have no effect ( 12 : 13 : 00 PM ) davidfraser : I 'm using Xrandr - do I need to rather configure multiple monitors in my xorg.conf to make this work ?
( 12 : 21 : 34 PM ) maniac103 : davidfraser : you need separate X screens ( separate screen sections in xorg.conf ) , otherwise it 's not possible ( 12 : 21 : 50 PM ) davidfraser : thanks maniac103 ( 12 : 22 : 12 PM ) * * * davidfraser thinks this is suboptimal , particularly for laptops where screens are attached and removed mid-session ( 12 : 34 : 55 PM ) crdlb : davidfraser : regardless , xrandr-output-specific viewport movement would be total crack ( 12 : 56 : 40 PM ) davidfraser : crdlb : Why do you say xrandr-output-specific viewport movement would be total crack ?
Methinks it would totally rock ( 12 : 57 : 23 PM ) adamk \ _ : It would be one massive hack to implement .
( 12 : 57 : 41 PM ) davidfraser : That 's true... ( 12 : 58 : 15 PM ) adamk \ _ : Well what developer wants to constantly maintain a nasty hack moving forward ?
( 01 : 02 : 40 PM ) davidfraser : OK the question is is it a desirable feature - if so perhaps more APIs etc need to be added to X to make it feasible in a non-hacky way ( 01 : 09 : 52 PM ) adamk \ _ : I do n't like it in e17 , so I doubt I 'd like it in compiz .
I 'm quite sure others would feel differently .
( 01 : 09 : 56 PM ) adamk \ _ : So get coding then : - ) ( 01 : 13 : 52 PM ) davidfraser : : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried to suggest this on IRC last year:Conversation with #compiz-fusion at Tue 03 Mar 2009 12:12:07 PM SAST on davidfraser@irc.freenode.net (irc)(12:12:43 PM) davidfraser: I'm trying to get compiz to switch my Viewports independently for two screens - the mmmode setting seems to have no effect(12:13:00 PM) davidfraser: I'm using Xrandr - do I need to rather configure multiple monitors in my xorg.conf to make this work?
(12:21:34 PM) maniac103: davidfraser: you need separate X screens (separate screen sections in xorg.conf), otherwise it's not possible(12:21:50 PM) davidfraser: thanks maniac103(12:22:12 PM) ***davidfraser thinks this is suboptimal, particularly for laptops where screens are attached and removed mid-session(12:34:55 PM) crdlb: davidfraser: regardless, xrandr-output-specific viewport movement would be total crack(12:56:40 PM) davidfraser: crdlb: Why do you say xrandr-output-specific viewport movement would be total crack?
Methinks it would totally rock(12:57:23 PM) adamk\_: It would be one massive hack to implement.
(12:57:41 PM) davidfraser: That's true...(12:58:15 PM) adamk\_: Well what developer wants to constantly maintain a nasty hack moving forward?
(01:02:40 PM) davidfraser: OK the question is is it a desirable feature - if so perhaps more APIs etc need to be added to X to make it feasible in a non-hacky way(01:09:52 PM) adamk\_: I don't like it in e17, so I doubt I'd like it in compiz.
I'm quite sure others would feel differently.
(01:09:56 PM) adamk\_: So get coding then :-)(01:13:52 PM) davidfraser: :-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940202</id>
	<title>4 Screens</title>
	<author>spribyl</author>
	<datestamp>1264670580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have 4 screen using 2 nvida 9500 cards and KDE.<br>I have one X session.  By not using Xinerama my maximize button is limited to the size of the two screens on one card.  I can stretch the window to full size using all 4 screens.<br>I also use multiple desktops to manage windows.</p><p>Right now each screen gets its own window.  When I need to look and wide things(log files)  I maximize to two screens.  For really big things I can stretch the window to all four screens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have 4 screen using 2 nvida 9500 cards and KDE.I have one X session .
By not using Xinerama my maximize button is limited to the size of the two screens on one card .
I can stretch the window to full size using all 4 screens.I also use multiple desktops to manage windows.Right now each screen gets its own window .
When I need to look and wide things ( log files ) I maximize to two screens .
For really big things I can stretch the window to all four screens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have 4 screen using 2 nvida 9500 cards and KDE.I have one X session.
By not using Xinerama my maximize button is limited to the size of the two screens on one card.
I can stretch the window to full size using all 4 screens.I also use multiple desktops to manage windows.Right now each screen gets its own window.
When I need to look and wide things(log files)  I maximize to two screens.
For really big things I can stretch the window to all four screens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941434</id>
	<title>E17 does all that the OP needs. EOD.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264674000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>E17 does all that the OP needs. EOD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>E17 does all that the OP needs .
EOD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>E17 does all that the OP needs.
EOD.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30943836</id>
	<title>Avatar?</title>
	<author>shallow monkey</author>
	<datestamp>1264684200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you watch Avatar a few too many times and now want to glide applications from one display to another whilst walking around the link lab?</p><p>--<br>My son loves the freaky blue dudes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you watch Avatar a few too many times and now want to glide applications from one display to another whilst walking around the link lab ? --My son loves the freaky blue dudes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you watch Avatar a few too many times and now want to glide applications from one display to another whilst walking around the link lab?--My son loves the freaky blue dudes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940492</id>
	<title>Car analogy for Windows users</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264671360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You didn't understand the question.</p><p>Here's a simple car analogy: a Linux user asking for tips on advanced uses of virtual desktops is like an off-road rally racer asking for tips on configuring the differentials on a 4x4. Your answer is "use a Ford Taurus".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You did n't understand the question.Here 's a simple car analogy : a Linux user asking for tips on advanced uses of virtual desktops is like an off-road rally racer asking for tips on configuring the differentials on a 4x4 .
Your answer is " use a Ford Taurus " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You didn't understand the question.Here's a simple car analogy: a Linux user asking for tips on advanced uses of virtual desktops is like an off-road rally racer asking for tips on configuring the differentials on a 4x4.
Your answer is "use a Ford Taurus".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942016</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>Quantumstate</author>
	<datestamp>1264675980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe you will get modded down for not knowing what you are talking about instead.  What is being asked involves having a separate workspace on each screen.  Windows does not have workspaces hence the functionality is not possible in windows.  The question actually described two ways fo having a dual screen setup in linux one of which is identical to the way Windows does it.  If you don't understand something, read about it first.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe you will get modded down for not knowing what you are talking about instead .
What is being asked involves having a separate workspace on each screen .
Windows does not have workspaces hence the functionality is not possible in windows .
The question actually described two ways fo having a dual screen setup in linux one of which is identical to the way Windows does it .
If you do n't understand something , read about it first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe you will get modded down for not knowing what you are talking about instead.
What is being asked involves having a separate workspace on each screen.
Windows does not have workspaces hence the functionality is not possible in windows.
The question actually described two ways fo having a dual screen setup in linux one of which is identical to the way Windows does it.
If you don't understand something, read about it first.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941458</id>
	<title>Re:xinerama and xrandr</title>
	<author>peragrin</author>
	<datestamp>1264674060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>neither one supports my second monitor natively.  Xrandr is working on support so maybe by next christmas I can finally switch to linux on my second computer. I can hack Xorg, and recompile the kernel to make it work but since it works with only a driver install on mac and windows that is the way I am going for now.  and every time i want to upgrade I am stuck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>neither one supports my second monitor natively .
Xrandr is working on support so maybe by next christmas I can finally switch to linux on my second computer .
I can hack Xorg , and recompile the kernel to make it work but since it works with only a driver install on mac and windows that is the way I am going for now .
and every time i want to upgrade I am stuck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>neither one supports my second monitor natively.
Xrandr is working on support so maybe by next christmas I can finally switch to linux on my second computer.
I can hack Xorg, and recompile the kernel to make it work but since it works with only a driver install on mac and windows that is the way I am going for now.
and every time i want to upgrade I am stuck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941228</id>
	<title>Re: Enlightenment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264673400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Aparently, xmonad, FVWM, and wmii also do this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Aparently , xmonad , FVWM , and wmii also do this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aparently, xmonad, FVWM, and wmii also do this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30945166</id>
	<title>Re:Have You Actually Tried It?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264694220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem with your setup is that I often find it valuable to 'pin' an application on one monitor, and then flip between workspaces on the other monitor.  The 1st monitor is my development IDE, the 2nd monitor is where a number of adjunct applications are running - browsers, database admin tools, remote desktops to other servers, etc.  Your setup sounds impressive, with all the booming sound effects, but it sounds like it doesn't address the complexity that I typically deal with or that the OP is trying to deal with.</p><p>Here's a use case:</p><p>"Attach a debugger to processes on two different servers and begin debugging, verifying database activity"</p><p>This means that I have my IDE running in one window on my 1st monitor, and my 2nd monitor has remote desktop sessions to the servers I'm debugging in workspaces 1 and 2, a database tool in workspace 3, and a browser window in workspace 4.  This setup allows me to keep an eye on my debugger on monitor one, while I flip among workspaces on the 2nd monitor to facilitate my debug session.</p><p>So, I start my debugger, attach to my server processes, and start debugging.  I can view the server activity (remote desktop) on the 2nd monitor, workspace 1 (hereafter M2W1), and quickly switch to the other server on M2W2 (uh, insert 'BOOM' here, I guess).  OK, my servers look good, now I can initiate some debugging activity and then switch to the database tool on M2W3, see if the data is flowing as expected (again, BOOM).  Hmm, weird problem<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I will switch again to my browser on M2W4 and cut-and-paste the error message from my debugger  into google<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and meanwhile keep an eye on the debug session.</p><p>You see the advantage?  It boils down to being able to 'pin' an application on a workspace and independently switch workspaces on the 2nd monitor.  I've tried lots of different ways of doing this kind of thing, and this seems to work best for me.</p><p>BOOM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with your setup is that I often find it valuable to 'pin ' an application on one monitor , and then flip between workspaces on the other monitor .
The 1st monitor is my development IDE , the 2nd monitor is where a number of adjunct applications are running - browsers , database admin tools , remote desktops to other servers , etc .
Your setup sounds impressive , with all the booming sound effects , but it sounds like it does n't address the complexity that I typically deal with or that the OP is trying to deal with.Here 's a use case : " Attach a debugger to processes on two different servers and begin debugging , verifying database activity " This means that I have my IDE running in one window on my 1st monitor , and my 2nd monitor has remote desktop sessions to the servers I 'm debugging in workspaces 1 and 2 , a database tool in workspace 3 , and a browser window in workspace 4 .
This setup allows me to keep an eye on my debugger on monitor one , while I flip among workspaces on the 2nd monitor to facilitate my debug session.So , I start my debugger , attach to my server processes , and start debugging .
I can view the server activity ( remote desktop ) on the 2nd monitor , workspace 1 ( hereafter M2W1 ) , and quickly switch to the other server on M2W2 ( uh , insert 'BOOM ' here , I guess ) .
OK , my servers look good , now I can initiate some debugging activity and then switch to the database tool on M2W3 , see if the data is flowing as expected ( again , BOOM ) .
Hmm , weird problem ... I will switch again to my browser on M2W4 and cut-and-paste the error message from my debugger into google ... and meanwhile keep an eye on the debug session.You see the advantage ?
It boils down to being able to 'pin ' an application on a workspace and independently switch workspaces on the 2nd monitor .
I 've tried lots of different ways of doing this kind of thing , and this seems to work best for me.BOOM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with your setup is that I often find it valuable to 'pin' an application on one monitor, and then flip between workspaces on the other monitor.
The 1st monitor is my development IDE, the 2nd monitor is where a number of adjunct applications are running - browsers, database admin tools, remote desktops to other servers, etc.
Your setup sounds impressive, with all the booming sound effects, but it sounds like it doesn't address the complexity that I typically deal with or that the OP is trying to deal with.Here's a use case:"Attach a debugger to processes on two different servers and begin debugging, verifying database activity"This means that I have my IDE running in one window on my 1st monitor, and my 2nd monitor has remote desktop sessions to the servers I'm debugging in workspaces 1 and 2, a database tool in workspace 3, and a browser window in workspace 4.
This setup allows me to keep an eye on my debugger on monitor one, while I flip among workspaces on the 2nd monitor to facilitate my debug session.So, I start my debugger, attach to my server processes, and start debugging.
I can view the server activity (remote desktop) on the 2nd monitor, workspace 1 (hereafter M2W1), and quickly switch to the other server on M2W2 (uh, insert 'BOOM' here, I guess).
OK, my servers look good, now I can initiate some debugging activity and then switch to the database tool on M2W3, see if the data is flowing as expected (again, BOOM).
Hmm, weird problem ... I will switch again to my browser on M2W4 and cut-and-paste the error message from my debugger  into google ... and meanwhile keep an eye on the debug session.You see the advantage?
It boils down to being able to 'pin' an application on a workspace and independently switch workspaces on the 2nd monitor.
I've tried lots of different ways of doing this kind of thing, and this seems to work best for me.BOOM.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941056</id>
	<title>Re:Google</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1264672920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those are nice and useful for moving windows between remote and local displays.  But they are not really useful for working with multiple monitors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those are nice and useful for moving windows between remote and local displays .
But they are not really useful for working with multiple monitors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those are nice and useful for moving windows between remote and local displays.
But they are not really useful for working with multiple monitors.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940328</id>
	<title>4 monitors - one desktop - here's how</title>
	<author>rcpitt</author>
	<datestamp>1264670940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been running multiple monitors for a lot of years under Linux - currently have 4 monitors on 2 cards with another card in there but no monitors on it (yet)
<p>
I run one big desktop with 12 virtual desktops - then for the applications I want to stay available when I move from one desktop to another I simply right-click on the icon in the upper-left corner (of most windows - Chrome beta doesn't have one for some reason) and select "Always on Visible Workspace" - then it sticks there no matter which workspace I'm on.
</p><p>
Otherwise you could set up the VNC X-server and use VNC-viewer to log back in to the local system and use that window as your second, separate desktop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been running multiple monitors for a lot of years under Linux - currently have 4 monitors on 2 cards with another card in there but no monitors on it ( yet ) I run one big desktop with 12 virtual desktops - then for the applications I want to stay available when I move from one desktop to another I simply right-click on the icon in the upper-left corner ( of most windows - Chrome beta does n't have one for some reason ) and select " Always on Visible Workspace " - then it sticks there no matter which workspace I 'm on .
Otherwise you could set up the VNC X-server and use VNC-viewer to log back in to the local system and use that window as your second , separate desktop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been running multiple monitors for a lot of years under Linux - currently have 4 monitors on 2 cards with another card in there but no monitors on it (yet)

I run one big desktop with 12 virtual desktops - then for the applications I want to stay available when I move from one desktop to another I simply right-click on the icon in the upper-left corner (of most windows - Chrome beta doesn't have one for some reason) and select "Always on Visible Workspace" - then it sticks there no matter which workspace I'm on.
Otherwise you could set up the VNC X-server and use VNC-viewer to log back in to the local system and use that window as your second, separate desktop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940698</id>
	<title>X is a four letter word</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264671900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows 2000 did this flawlessly in 1999.  My powerbook did it flawlessly in 2002.</p><p>My Ubuntu 9.10 and Gnome XFCE desktops still cannot do this properly today.</p><p>X is needed for many things in enterprise... SPECTRUM, polling, whatever.  Great.  Run X when you need it, use something that isn't a terrible piece of junk the rest of the time.</p><p>It's time to bin X.</p><p>-db</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows 2000 did this flawlessly in 1999 .
My powerbook did it flawlessly in 2002.My Ubuntu 9.10 and Gnome XFCE desktops still can not do this properly today.X is needed for many things in enterprise... SPECTRUM , polling , whatever .
Great. Run X when you need it , use something that is n't a terrible piece of junk the rest of the time.It 's time to bin X.-db</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows 2000 did this flawlessly in 1999.
My powerbook did it flawlessly in 2002.My Ubuntu 9.10 and Gnome XFCE desktops still cannot do this properly today.X is needed for many things in enterprise... SPECTRUM, polling, whatever.
Great.  Run X when you need it, use something that isn't a terrible piece of junk the rest of the time.It's time to bin X.-db</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30944554</id>
	<title>xmonad</title>
	<author>jesboat</author>
	<datestamp>1264689000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>xmonad does what you want with desktops my default. Each of my monitors is bound to one specific workspace at a time; I can switch either monitor independently to any workspace, or manually stretch windows across the gap in between.</p><p>You can use xmonad as the window manager for GNOME.</p><p>It'll require a little bit of tweaking to make it look normal, though (you'll need to add window decorations, and configure it to make windows floating by default), or you could learn the keyboard shortcuts and use tiling, which sounds like it may work better with the way you want to think about screens anyway. (It sounds terrible, I know, but it's remarkably effective.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>xmonad does what you want with desktops my default .
Each of my monitors is bound to one specific workspace at a time ; I can switch either monitor independently to any workspace , or manually stretch windows across the gap in between.You can use xmonad as the window manager for GNOME.It 'll require a little bit of tweaking to make it look normal , though ( you 'll need to add window decorations , and configure it to make windows floating by default ) , or you could learn the keyboard shortcuts and use tiling , which sounds like it may work better with the way you want to think about screens anyway .
( It sounds terrible , I know , but it 's remarkably effective .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>xmonad does what you want with desktops my default.
Each of my monitors is bound to one specific workspace at a time; I can switch either monitor independently to any workspace, or manually stretch windows across the gap in between.You can use xmonad as the window manager for GNOME.It'll require a little bit of tweaking to make it look normal, though (you'll need to add window decorations, and configure it to make windows floating by default), or you could learn the keyboard shortcuts and use tiling, which sounds like it may work better with the way you want to think about screens anyway.
(It sounds terrible, I know, but it's remarkably effective.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940910</id>
	<title>Xinerama + duplicate panels</title>
	<author>slinches</author>
	<datestamp>1264672500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use one big Gnome desktop across two monitors with some of the panels duplicated on the second monitor.  The two monitors behave almost like independent workspaces, windows can be maximized on an individual monitor and only show up in the taskbar for the monitor they're displayed on.  The only thing I can't do is switch workspaces on the monitors independently, but I haven't run into many cases where I've had a need to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use one big Gnome desktop across two monitors with some of the panels duplicated on the second monitor .
The two monitors behave almost like independent workspaces , windows can be maximized on an individual monitor and only show up in the taskbar for the monitor they 're displayed on .
The only thing I ca n't do is switch workspaces on the monitors independently , but I have n't run into many cases where I 've had a need to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use one big Gnome desktop across two monitors with some of the panels duplicated on the second monitor.
The two monitors behave almost like independent workspaces, windows can be maximized on an individual monitor and only show up in the taskbar for the monitor they're displayed on.
The only thing I can't do is switch workspaces on the monitors independently, but I haven't run into many cases where I've had a need to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30951336</id>
	<title>Re:Google</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264788120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>a very specialized Windows-only monitor analysis app</p></div><p>Could you tell me what this app is called?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>a very specialized Windows-only monitor analysis appCould you tell me what this app is called ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a very specialized Windows-only monitor analysis appCould you tell me what this app is called?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30943344</id>
	<title>Fedora Multiseat</title>
	<author>celticmonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1264681320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The closest thing I can think of is Fedora's multi-seat project:<br>
<a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Multiseat" title="fedoraproject.org" rel="nofollow">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Multiseat</a> [fedoraproject.org] <br>
<br>
It allows one computer with multiple displays to have multiple X sessions. Unfortunately it doesn't ship with the latest release. And I don't think it supports sliding an application window from one session to another.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The closest thing I can think of is Fedora 's multi-seat project : http : //fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Multiseat [ fedoraproject.org ] It allows one computer with multiple displays to have multiple X sessions .
Unfortunately it does n't ship with the latest release .
And I do n't think it supports sliding an application window from one session to another .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The closest thing I can think of is Fedora's multi-seat project:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Multiseat [fedoraproject.org] 

It allows one computer with multiple displays to have multiple X sessions.
Unfortunately it doesn't ship with the latest release.
And I don't think it supports sliding an application window from one session to another.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30944036</id>
	<title>Re:Anti-Slashdot answer</title>
	<author>hairyfeet</author>
	<datestamp>1264685400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure it <a href="http://www.nirmaltv.com/2008/06/23/virtual-desktop-manager-for-windows/" title="nirmaltv.com">does</a> [nirmaltv.com] but just like everything else for Windows you need a third party tool. This one is free and has nice features but if you need a really loaded virtual desktop experience I would recommend <a href="http://www.astonshell.com/altdesk/" title="astonshell.com">AltDesk</a> [astonshell.com] which is rock solid and has drag and drop between desktops (which is what it sounds like the OP is looking for) and it can be used standalone or integrated into AstonShell which is a really nice shell for Windows. </p><p>

So yeah you can do virtual desktops in Windows, have been able to for quite awhile, you just use third party tools. Which lets be honest most folks don't use much of what Windows has built in when the third party tools are so much better. It would be like using NTBackup instead of say Acronis. Just lame.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure it does [ nirmaltv.com ] but just like everything else for Windows you need a third party tool .
This one is free and has nice features but if you need a really loaded virtual desktop experience I would recommend AltDesk [ astonshell.com ] which is rock solid and has drag and drop between desktops ( which is what it sounds like the OP is looking for ) and it can be used standalone or integrated into AstonShell which is a really nice shell for Windows .
So yeah you can do virtual desktops in Windows , have been able to for quite awhile , you just use third party tools .
Which lets be honest most folks do n't use much of what Windows has built in when the third party tools are so much better .
It would be like using NTBackup instead of say Acronis .
Just lame .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure it does [nirmaltv.com] but just like everything else for Windows you need a third party tool.
This one is free and has nice features but if you need a really loaded virtual desktop experience I would recommend AltDesk [astonshell.com] which is rock solid and has drag and drop between desktops (which is what it sounds like the OP is looking for) and it can be used standalone or integrated into AstonShell which is a really nice shell for Windows.
So yeah you can do virtual desktops in Windows, have been able to for quite awhile, you just use third party tools.
Which lets be honest most folks don't use much of what Windows has built in when the third party tools are so much better.
It would be like using NTBackup instead of say Acronis.
Just lame.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30944406</id>
	<title>Re:This is a first</title>
	<author>hduff</author>
	<datestamp>1264688160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>He wants <i>independent</i> desktops, guys. </p></div><p>What he wants is independent X servers and an X client that can move between the servers. Something like the console app 'screen' for X.</p><p>

There is such an app under development, but I can't recall the name and it was awkward to use. It was really intended to leave a GUI app running on a remote computer after the remote login was closed.</p><p>

Having used dual displays in Linux for many years, I've found it easier and more effective to span the monitors with xinerama and manually set the size of an apps' window to fill the physical display and edit the menu entry to always open the app in one or the other displays. You can't use the window "maximize" function, but "minimize" and "restore" work as advertised.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>He wants independent desktops , guys .
What he wants is independent X servers and an X client that can move between the servers .
Something like the console app 'screen ' for X . There is such an app under development , but I ca n't recall the name and it was awkward to use .
It was really intended to leave a GUI app running on a remote computer after the remote login was closed .
Having used dual displays in Linux for many years , I 've found it easier and more effective to span the monitors with xinerama and manually set the size of an apps ' window to fill the physical display and edit the menu entry to always open the app in one or the other displays .
You ca n't use the window " maximize " function , but " minimize " and " restore " work as advertised .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He wants independent desktops, guys.
What he wants is independent X servers and an X client that can move between the servers.
Something like the console app 'screen' for X.

There is such an app under development, but I can't recall the name and it was awkward to use.
It was really intended to leave a GUI app running on a remote computer after the remote login was closed.
Having used dual displays in Linux for many years, I've found it easier and more effective to span the monitors with xinerama and manually set the size of an apps' window to fill the physical display and edit the menu entry to always open the app in one or the other displays.
You can't use the window "maximize" function, but "minimize" and "restore" work as advertised.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30964352</id>
	<title>Re:Ask Slashdot?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264881120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Has anyone noticed the OP never actually asked a question?</p></div><p>Yes.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Has anyone noticed the OP never actually asked a question ? Yes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has anyone noticed the OP never actually asked a question?Yes.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30951990</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264790220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Take a look at Xdmx http://dmx.sourceforge.net/ - which combines multiple X servers (on separate machines, even) into a single, tiled, desktop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Take a look at Xdmx http : //dmx.sourceforge.net/ - which combines multiple X servers ( on separate machines , even ) into a single , tiled , desktop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take a look at Xdmx http://dmx.sourceforge.net/ - which combines multiple X servers (on separate machines, even) into a single, tiled, desktop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941488</id>
	<title>How To do this with KDE</title>
	<author>pseudonomous</author>
	<datestamp>1264674180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, you can't actually get seperate virtual desktops on different screens, however, using KDE you may be able to get something that's roughly feature equivalent.</p><p>Using your favorite one of xrandr, xorg.conf, or the proprietary Nvidia/ATI tools, you can set up multiple monitors.  The default behavior, in the latest Xorg, at least, will let you swap windows between your two displays, the default behavior for "maximize" in KDE will be to fill a single display with one large window, but if you do need a window to span multiple desktops, you can manually resize it.</p><p>You can add a seperate KDE panel to each desktop, both can have thier own task managers which can be configure to only show that windows from a given display screen (or not).  If you want, you can set things like the desktop background independantly on each display.</p><p>Unfortunately, this still isn't quite as functional as actually being able to actually switch virtual desktop independantly on each screen, but it's still pretty nice.  (this is my personal setup, when I have two monitors available).  In fact, the tiling and tabbed window management features which are allegedly coming in KDE 4.4, may address some of the remain limitations of the current dual head setup in KDE, also, allegedly KDE 4.4 fixes the bug which currently makes the "systemsettings&gt;display&gt;multiple monitors" configuration tool un-usable for many people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , you ca n't actually get seperate virtual desktops on different screens , however , using KDE you may be able to get something that 's roughly feature equivalent.Using your favorite one of xrandr , xorg.conf , or the proprietary Nvidia/ATI tools , you can set up multiple monitors .
The default behavior , in the latest Xorg , at least , will let you swap windows between your two displays , the default behavior for " maximize " in KDE will be to fill a single display with one large window , but if you do need a window to span multiple desktops , you can manually resize it.You can add a seperate KDE panel to each desktop , both can have thier own task managers which can be configure to only show that windows from a given display screen ( or not ) .
If you want , you can set things like the desktop background independantly on each display.Unfortunately , this still is n't quite as functional as actually being able to actually switch virtual desktop independantly on each screen , but it 's still pretty nice .
( this is my personal setup , when I have two monitors available ) .
In fact , the tiling and tabbed window management features which are allegedly coming in KDE 4.4 , may address some of the remain limitations of the current dual head setup in KDE , also , allegedly KDE 4.4 fixes the bug which currently makes the " systemsettings &gt; display &gt; multiple monitors " configuration tool un-usable for many people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, you can't actually get seperate virtual desktops on different screens, however, using KDE you may be able to get something that's roughly feature equivalent.Using your favorite one of xrandr, xorg.conf, or the proprietary Nvidia/ATI tools, you can set up multiple monitors.
The default behavior, in the latest Xorg, at least, will let you swap windows between your two displays, the default behavior for "maximize" in KDE will be to fill a single display with one large window, but if you do need a window to span multiple desktops, you can manually resize it.You can add a seperate KDE panel to each desktop, both can have thier own task managers which can be configure to only show that windows from a given display screen (or not).
If you want, you can set things like the desktop background independantly on each display.Unfortunately, this still isn't quite as functional as actually being able to actually switch virtual desktop independantly on each screen, but it's still pretty nice.
(this is my personal setup, when I have two monitors available).
In fact, the tiling and tabbed window management features which are allegedly coming in KDE 4.4, may address some of the remain limitations of the current dual head setup in KDE, also, allegedly KDE 4.4 fixes the bug which currently makes the "systemsettings&gt;display&gt;multiple monitors" configuration tool un-usable for many people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940850</id>
	<title>xinerama + e17</title>
	<author>characterZer0</author>
	<datestamp>1264672320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Enlightenment e17 handles this brilliantly. Each screen gets its own set of virtual desktops. Switching VTs on one does not change the current VT on the other.</p><p>With Xinerama you can drag windows from one screen to the other.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Enlightenment e17 handles this brilliantly .
Each screen gets its own set of virtual desktops .
Switching VTs on one does not change the current VT on the other.With Xinerama you can drag windows from one screen to the other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Enlightenment e17 handles this brilliantly.
Each screen gets its own set of virtual desktops.
Switching VTs on one does not change the current VT on the other.With Xinerama you can drag windows from one screen to the other.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941934</id>
	<title>Personally, I'm not into chair tossing, but...</title>
	<author>killmenow</author>
	<datestamp>1264675740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use Windows 7 on my work desktop. I have dual monitors. I use <a href="http://www.realtimesoft.com/ultramon/" title="realtimesoft.com" rel="nofollow">UltraMon</a> [realtimesoft.com] and get basically the setup requester is looking for: separate desktops that I can drag (or quickly hit the "move to other monitor" button) between screens.</p><p>I also use <a href="http://www.nomachine.com/" title="nomachine.com" rel="nofollow">nomachine</a> [nomachine.com] which tunnels compressed X sessions over SSH to remotely manage Linux servers in far away places and <a href="http://www.virtualbox.org/" title="virtualbox.org" rel="nofollow">VirtualBox</a> [virtualbox.org] to run local Linux VMs.</p><p>It's not that hard to set up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Windows 7 on my work desktop .
I have dual monitors .
I use UltraMon [ realtimesoft.com ] and get basically the setup requester is looking for : separate desktops that I can drag ( or quickly hit the " move to other monitor " button ) between screens.I also use nomachine [ nomachine.com ] which tunnels compressed X sessions over SSH to remotely manage Linux servers in far away places and VirtualBox [ virtualbox.org ] to run local Linux VMs.It 's not that hard to set up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Windows 7 on my work desktop.
I have dual monitors.
I use UltraMon [realtimesoft.com] and get basically the setup requester is looking for: separate desktops that I can drag (or quickly hit the "move to other monitor" button) between screens.I also use nomachine [nomachine.com] which tunnels compressed X sessions over SSH to remotely manage Linux servers in far away places and VirtualBox [virtualbox.org] to run local Linux VMs.It's not that hard to set up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30943080</id>
	<title>Re:This is a first</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264680060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems as if he wants independent switching of display-specific desktops. This may have its uses for sure.</p><p>However, I think I would prefer a more confusing variant: A set of desktops, and each screen can select one of those desktops to show individually. All screens could even show the same desktop if all select the same, but this case wouldn't usually be useful.</p><p>But then today's applications are self-contained window-less (say, eclipse) and you end up with one-desktop=one-application, then simply moving the application-windows is quite the same as moving desktops.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems as if he wants independent switching of display-specific desktops .
This may have its uses for sure.However , I think I would prefer a more confusing variant : A set of desktops , and each screen can select one of those desktops to show individually .
All screens could even show the same desktop if all select the same , but this case would n't usually be useful.But then today 's applications are self-contained window-less ( say , eclipse ) and you end up with one-desktop = one-application , then simply moving the application-windows is quite the same as moving desktops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems as if he wants independent switching of display-specific desktops.
This may have its uses for sure.However, I think I would prefer a more confusing variant: A set of desktops, and each screen can select one of those desktops to show individually.
All screens could even show the same desktop if all select the same, but this case wouldn't usually be useful.But then today's applications are self-contained window-less (say, eclipse) and you end up with one-desktop=one-application, then simply moving the application-windows is quite the same as moving desktops.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942308</id>
	<title>Re:xinerama and xrandr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264676940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In addition, KDE4 doesn't even handle the separate X screens option at all. Plasma can only run on a single desktop. So, Xinerama and Twinview work, but separate X sessions don't. You'd think for a "workstation" class DE that this would have been built into the core of Plasma and the desktop manager. However, from what I've been able to glean from various forums / postings is that it isn't easily added in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In addition , KDE4 does n't even handle the separate X screens option at all .
Plasma can only run on a single desktop .
So , Xinerama and Twinview work , but separate X sessions do n't .
You 'd think for a " workstation " class DE that this would have been built into the core of Plasma and the desktop manager .
However , from what I 've been able to glean from various forums / postings is that it is n't easily added in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In addition, KDE4 doesn't even handle the separate X screens option at all.
Plasma can only run on a single desktop.
So, Xinerama and Twinview work, but separate X sessions don't.
You'd think for a "workstation" class DE that this would have been built into the core of Plasma and the desktop manager.
However, from what I've been able to glean from various forums / postings is that it isn't easily added in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30944688</id>
	<title>Re:This is a first</title>
	<author>Super Jamie</author>
	<datestamp>1264690020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Either you misunderstand the question, or the OP misunderstands the capabilities of the X root window and display limitations.<br>
<br>
Anyway, I ran like this for a long time, first with two monitors then with three. I tried several solutions and ended up writing an ugly hack for some X library which allowed me to specify viewports in a config file. Eventually that broke due to changes to multiple monitor code further upstream, so I ditched my two 17" screens and got a better videocard and a massive 24" LCD - problem solved.<br>
<br>
I haven't experienced multiple monitors on ATI under Linux, but at least with nVidia's pathetic dedication to the platform (and insultingly stubborn tech support) it was a painful experience and I wouldn't recommend trying.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Either you misunderstand the question , or the OP misunderstands the capabilities of the X root window and display limitations .
Anyway , I ran like this for a long time , first with two monitors then with three .
I tried several solutions and ended up writing an ugly hack for some X library which allowed me to specify viewports in a config file .
Eventually that broke due to changes to multiple monitor code further upstream , so I ditched my two 17 " screens and got a better videocard and a massive 24 " LCD - problem solved .
I have n't experienced multiple monitors on ATI under Linux , but at least with nVidia 's pathetic dedication to the platform ( and insultingly stubborn tech support ) it was a painful experience and I would n't recommend trying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Either you misunderstand the question, or the OP misunderstands the capabilities of the X root window and display limitations.
Anyway, I ran like this for a long time, first with two monitors then with three.
I tried several solutions and ended up writing an ugly hack for some X library which allowed me to specify viewports in a config file.
Eventually that broke due to changes to multiple monitor code further upstream, so I ditched my two 17" screens and got a better videocard and a massive 24" LCD - problem solved.
I haven't experienced multiple monitors on ATI under Linux, but at least with nVidia's pathetic dedication to the platform (and insultingly stubborn tech support) it was a painful experience and I wouldn't recommend trying.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942734</id>
	<title>Re:Have You Actually Tried It?</title>
	<author>r\_jensen11</author>
	<datestamp>1264678500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Or were you just going to dick around, switching the left workspace, then the right one, then the left, then the right?</p></div><p>My guess is the following scenario:<br>OP uses 3 main applications<br>App A needs to always be visible<br>Apps B and C don't, but still rely on App A to be visible if the OP wants to be productive.</p><p>The "best" workaround for this would be to have 3 screens instead of 2.  However, I can see legitimate reasons preventing having a third monitor (space being the primary,) and the alternative would best the following <a href="http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1528666&amp;cid=30940328" title="slashdot.org">from above</a> [slashdot.org]:</p><p>Place App A in monitor X and mark it visible on all desktops<br>Place App B and App C in monitor Y and rotate VD's.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or were you just going to dick around , switching the left workspace , then the right one , then the left , then the right ? My guess is the following scenario : OP uses 3 main applicationsApp A needs to always be visibleApps B and C do n't , but still rely on App A to be visible if the OP wants to be productive.The " best " workaround for this would be to have 3 screens instead of 2 .
However , I can see legitimate reasons preventing having a third monitor ( space being the primary , ) and the alternative would best the following from above [ slashdot.org ] : Place App A in monitor X and mark it visible on all desktopsPlace App B and App C in monitor Y and rotate VD 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or were you just going to dick around, switching the left workspace, then the right one, then the left, then the right?My guess is the following scenario:OP uses 3 main applicationsApp A needs to always be visibleApps B and C don't, but still rely on App A to be visible if the OP wants to be productive.The "best" workaround for this would be to have 3 screens instead of 2.
However, I can see legitimate reasons preventing having a third monitor (space being the primary,) and the alternative would best the following from above [slashdot.org]:Place App A in monitor X and mark it visible on all desktopsPlace App B and App C in monitor Y and rotate VD's.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940082</id>
	<title>re:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264670280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good question, I would like to know the answer as well.. Windows 7's easy dual-monitor setup has me addicted now!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good question , I would like to know the answer as well.. Windows 7 's easy dual-monitor setup has me addicted now !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good question, I would like to know the answer as well.. Windows 7's easy dual-monitor setup has me addicted now!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941666</id>
	<title>Re:xinerama and xrandr</title>
	<author>morgauxo</author>
	<datestamp>1264674840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Informative? Really? He wants multiple Desktop sessions, one for each monitor.  Xinerama and XRandR do not provide this.  They provide a single Desktop session across two monitors.  The difference is subtle but the original poster already acknowledged the single desktop option and the whole point was not to do that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Informative ?
Really ? He wants multiple Desktop sessions , one for each monitor .
Xinerama and XRandR do not provide this .
They provide a single Desktop session across two monitors .
The difference is subtle but the original poster already acknowledged the single desktop option and the whole point was not to do that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Informative?
Really? He wants multiple Desktop sessions, one for each monitor.
Xinerama and XRandR do not provide this.
They provide a single Desktop session across two monitors.
The difference is subtle but the original poster already acknowledged the single desktop option and the whole point was not to do that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940208</id>
	<title>gnome is just fine.</title>
	<author>chibiace</author>
	<datestamp>1264670580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>gnome with two screens is just fine. you can maximize on either side and even use the window list say one panel per screen to show what windows are open on each display.<br>most distros dont even need configuring for dualscreen now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>gnome with two screens is just fine .
you can maximize on either side and even use the window list say one panel per screen to show what windows are open on each display.most distros dont even need configuring for dualscreen now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>gnome with two screens is just fine.
you can maximize on either side and even use the window list say one panel per screen to show what windows are open on each display.most distros dont even need configuring for dualscreen now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942146</id>
	<title>Re:xinerama and xrandr</title>
	<author>user317</author>
	<datestamp>1264676400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If its using the same X session (the same user login), then this is possible.  I have 2 monitors, both running 2 different "deskstops".  The wm lets me switch workspaces on each one seperatly.
<a href="http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Frequently\_asked\_questions#Multi\_head\_and\_workspaces\_.28desktops.29" title="haskell.org" rel="nofollow">xmonad</a> [haskell.org] so does enlightenment 17.  I bet there are a few more wms that can do this as well, those are just the two that i've tried.  </p><p>
BTW, i can't believe this made it to the front page, its really a question that just belongs to your favorite distro's forums.  Since we are on the topic, does anyone know how to get printers working in linux<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)?
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If its using the same X session ( the same user login ) , then this is possible .
I have 2 monitors , both running 2 different " deskstops " .
The wm lets me switch workspaces on each one seperatly .
xmonad [ haskell.org ] so does enlightenment 17 .
I bet there are a few more wms that can do this as well , those are just the two that i 've tried .
BTW , i ca n't believe this made it to the front page , its really a question that just belongs to your favorite distro 's forums .
Since we are on the topic , does anyone know how to get printers working in linux : ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If its using the same X session (the same user login), then this is possible.
I have 2 monitors, both running 2 different "deskstops".
The wm lets me switch workspaces on each one seperatly.
xmonad [haskell.org] so does enlightenment 17.
I bet there are a few more wms that can do this as well, those are just the two that i've tried.
BTW, i can't believe this made it to the front page, its really a question that just belongs to your favorite distro's forums.
Since we are on the topic, does anyone know how to get printers working in linux :)?
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30942222</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264676640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FTFA:</p><blockquote><div><p> I need something in the middle -- a separate workspace for each screen, so that I can have <b>independent virtual desktops</b> on each screen, but still have the ability to move applications between monitors</p></div></blockquote><p>How long has Windows allowed that, which virtual desktop manager do you use that supports it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>FTFA : I need something in the middle -- a separate workspace for each screen , so that I can have independent virtual desktops on each screen , but still have the ability to move applications between monitorsHow long has Windows allowed that , which virtual desktop manager do you use that supports it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTFA: I need something in the middle -- a separate workspace for each screen, so that I can have independent virtual desktops on each screen, but still have the ability to move applications between monitorsHow long has Windows allowed that, which virtual desktop manager do you use that supports it?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30943898</id>
	<title>Stop.  Take a Step Back.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264684560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is you want to do.  Running some exotic X config isn't a goal, it's a very specific tactic.  The fact that you haven't found anything like this, but stuff that is close, but not close enough, should make you pause.</p><p>What's your use case?  Is it this: <a href="http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1528666&amp;cid=30942320" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1528666&amp;cid=30942320</a> [slashdot.org]<br>Forget the "multiple X sessions."  Again, that's a tactic.  What behavior are you looking for?  It sounds like you just want a virtual desktop pager for each monitor.</p><p>It's been a while, but I imagine you could hack something like <a href="http://sawfish.wikia.com/wiki/Main\_Page" title="wikia.com" rel="nofollow">Sawfish</a> [wikia.com] and Sawfish-Pager to do what you want.  You just have to hack up some lisp, which would be good for you.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is you want to do .
Running some exotic X config is n't a goal , it 's a very specific tactic .
The fact that you have n't found anything like this , but stuff that is close , but not close enough , should make you pause.What 's your use case ?
Is it this : http : //ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid = 1528666&amp;cid = 30942320 [ slashdot.org ] Forget the " multiple X sessions .
" Again , that 's a tactic .
What behavior are you looking for ?
It sounds like you just want a virtual desktop pager for each monitor.It 's been a while , but I imagine you could hack something like Sawfish [ wikia.com ] and Sawfish-Pager to do what you want .
You just have to hack up some lisp , which would be good for you .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is you want to do.
Running some exotic X config isn't a goal, it's a very specific tactic.
The fact that you haven't found anything like this, but stuff that is close, but not close enough, should make you pause.What's your use case?
Is it this: http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1528666&amp;cid=30942320 [slashdot.org]Forget the "multiple X sessions.
"  Again, that's a tactic.
What behavior are you looking for?
It sounds like you just want a virtual desktop pager for each monitor.It's been a while, but I imagine you could hack something like Sawfish [wikia.com] and Sawfish-Pager to do what you want.
You just have to hack up some lisp, which would be good for you.
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941162</id>
	<title>Two Monitors</title>
	<author>blendedmetaphor</author>
	<datestamp>1264673160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The main question is what does your video card support?  I use an NVidia 9600GT and run two monitors.  I have 4 workspaces where both monitors are included in each workspace.  It works perfectly for what I need to do.  I don't understand why you would want separate workspaces for each.  It is not always trivial to get this working, I am running a PAE Kernel and had to run the experimental drivers to get it to work properly.  Make a backup of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/X11/xorg.conf before you do anything.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The main question is what does your video card support ?
I use an NVidia 9600GT and run two monitors .
I have 4 workspaces where both monitors are included in each workspace .
It works perfectly for what I need to do .
I do n't understand why you would want separate workspaces for each .
It is not always trivial to get this working , I am running a PAE Kernel and had to run the experimental drivers to get it to work properly .
Make a backup of /etc/X11/xorg.conf before you do anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The main question is what does your video card support?
I use an NVidia 9600GT and run two monitors.
I have 4 workspaces where both monitors are included in each workspace.
It works perfectly for what I need to do.
I don't understand why you would want separate workspaces for each.
It is not always trivial to get this working, I am running a PAE Kernel and had to run the experimental drivers to get it to work properly.
Make a backup of /etc/X11/xorg.conf before you do anything.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940908</id>
	<title>Re:xinerama and xrandr</title>
	<author>Lemming Mark</author>
	<datestamp>1264672500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not a solution in themselves - using Xinerama makes it possible to have a big desktop spread across multiple monitors AFAIK, which is not what the Asker needs.  He wants separate virtual desktop switching on each monitor, which most WMs don't do under Xinerama, though as he notes there are some tiling WMs that do something like this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not a solution in themselves - using Xinerama makes it possible to have a big desktop spread across multiple monitors AFAIK , which is not what the Asker needs .
He wants separate virtual desktop switching on each monitor , which most WMs do n't do under Xinerama , though as he notes there are some tiling WMs that do something like this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not a solution in themselves - using Xinerama makes it possible to have a big desktop spread across multiple monitors AFAIK, which is not what the Asker needs.
He wants separate virtual desktop switching on each monitor, which most WMs don't do under Xinerama, though as he notes there are some tiling WMs that do something like this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940116</id>
	<title>xinerama and xrandr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264670340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>xinerama and xrandr.<br>fucking christ, it's the twenty first century, use google.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>xinerama and xrandr.fucking christ , it 's the twenty first century , use google .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>xinerama and xrandr.fucking christ, it's the twenty first century, use google.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30943210</id>
	<title>does nvidia hardware with two monitor ports work?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264680660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you tried using two monitors hooked up to one nvidia card? I ask because in WindowsXP with some nvidia cards that have dual ports, you have an option similar to what you are requesting. Each monitor has it's own space--if you maximize a window, it will maximize just on that screen, and, you can move windows between screens. It's like a dual desktop without stretching or some such if I remember right...</p><p>Just that maybe nvdia has similar options for Linux with that hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you tried using two monitors hooked up to one nvidia card ?
I ask because in WindowsXP with some nvidia cards that have dual ports , you have an option similar to what you are requesting .
Each monitor has it 's own space--if you maximize a window , it will maximize just on that screen , and , you can move windows between screens .
It 's like a dual desktop without stretching or some such if I remember right...Just that maybe nvdia has similar options for Linux with that hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you tried using two monitors hooked up to one nvidia card?
I ask because in WindowsXP with some nvidia cards that have dual ports, you have an option similar to what you are requesting.
Each monitor has it's own space--if you maximize a window, it will maximize just on that screen, and, you can move windows between screens.
It's like a dual desktop without stretching or some such if I remember right...Just that maybe nvdia has similar options for Linux with that hardware.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940904</id>
	<title>Re:Google</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264672440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From your first link: xpra is written in Python (ick -- really?), and it was initially released on Feb 20, 2008 (even worse).<br>From your other link: xmove is an older app written in C (yay), but is currently in Beta for its 2.0 release (boo).</p><p>Maybe he wanted something more mature? You know like the kind of maturity that comes from 10+ years of proven reliability.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From your first link : xpra is written in Python ( ick -- really ?
) , and it was initially released on Feb 20 , 2008 ( even worse ) .From your other link : xmove is an older app written in C ( yay ) , but is currently in Beta for its 2.0 release ( boo ) .Maybe he wanted something more mature ?
You know like the kind of maturity that comes from 10 + years of proven reliability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From your first link: xpra is written in Python (ick -- really?
), and it was initially released on Feb 20, 2008 (even worse).From your other link: xmove is an older app written in C (yay), but is currently in Beta for its 2.0 release (boo).Maybe he wanted something more mature?
You know like the kind of maturity that comes from 10+ years of proven reliability.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30945066</id>
	<title>2 Girls 1 Cup -- here's how</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264693320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just Google for  . . . Oh, wait! Did not read article . . .</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just Google for .
. .
Oh , wait !
Did not read article .
. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just Google for  .
. .
Oh, wait!
Did not read article .
. .</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941896</id>
	<title>Re:Ask Slashdot?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264675620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Has anyone noticed the OP never actually asked a question?</p></div><p>
I take it you've never heard of implied questions.</p><p>
Owait, lemme rephrase that.</p><p>
I take it you've never heard of implied questions?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Has anyone noticed the OP never actually asked a question ?
I take it you 've never heard of implied questions .
Owait , lem me rephrase that .
I take it you 've never heard of implied questions ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has anyone noticed the OP never actually asked a question?
I take it you've never heard of implied questions.
Owait, lemme rephrase that.
I take it you've never heard of implied questions?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30949860</id>
	<title>Re:Google</title>
	<author>rayk\_sland</author>
	<datestamp>1264782720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Have you investigated any of these before 'asking<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.'?</p></div><p>The problem wasn't with the asking. It was with whoever stuck this up as general interest item. timothy?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you investigated any of these before 'asking / .
' ? The problem was n't with the asking .
It was with whoever stuck this up as general interest item .
timothy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you investigated any of these before 'asking /.
'?The problem wasn't with the asking.
It was with whoever stuck this up as general interest item.
timothy?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30944166</id>
	<title>We need dynamic layout changes in xorg</title>
	<author>mandelbr0t</author>
	<datestamp>1264686420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've opted for the large desktop option in general. This is better than the alternative since it requires less technical know-how and screwing around in the terminal. I use the following script to switch between the two display modes:</p><blockquote><div><p> <tt>#!/bin/sh<br> <br>if [ "$1" = "" ]; then<br>  echo "No display mode given"<br>fi<br>if [ "$1" = "Media" ]; then<br>  cp -f<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/X11/xorg.conf.Media<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/X11/xorg.conf<br>fi<br>if [ "$1" = "Default" ]; then<br>  cp -f<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/X11/xorg.conf.Default<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/X11/xorg.conf<br>fi<br>if [<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/X11/xorg.conf -nt<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/X11/displaymode-stamp ]; then<br>  touch<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/X11/displaymode-stamp<br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/init.d/gdm restart<br>fi</tt></p></div> </blockquote><p>I have two custom application launchers on my panel, one for each of the following commands:</p><blockquote><div><p> <tt>gksudo<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/gdm/set-display-mode Default</tt></p></div> </blockquote><blockquote><div><p> <tt>gksudo<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/gdm/set-display-mode Media</tt></p></div> </blockquote><p>This generally works well. However, all the caveats posted above regarding the differences in resolution between the two displays apply: XRANDR does not work with my multi-screen display, so compiz effects are reduced to their minimum, and many applications do not work correctly as they rely on XRANDR.</p><p>I used to have the two commands above on the gdm login screen, but Ubuntu 9.10 dropped support for custom commands in the gdm greeter. The custom launchers are a usable hack. MPlayer is set up to automatically play video in fullscreen on the television display. The real solution, however, is to get dynamic layout switching into xorg. I'm not sure of the technical barriers, but having to log everyone out just to change screen layouts seems like overkill. With laptop media centers becoming more commonplace, I look forward to this feature, and hope that everyone agrees that it is the best solution to this particular problem.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've opted for the large desktop option in general .
This is better than the alternative since it requires less technical know-how and screwing around in the terminal .
I use the following script to switch between the two display modes : # ! /bin/sh if [ " $ 1 " = " " ] ; then echo " No display mode given " fiif [ " $ 1 " = " Media " ] ; then cp -f /etc/X11/xorg.conf.Media /etc/X11/xorg.conffiif [ " $ 1 " = " Default " ] ; then cp -f /etc/X11/xorg.conf.Default /etc/X11/xorg.conffiif [ /etc/X11/xorg.conf -nt /etc/X11/displaymode-stamp ] ; then touch /etc/X11/displaymode-stamp /etc/init.d/gdm restartfi I have two custom application launchers on my panel , one for each of the following commands : gksudo /etc/gdm/set-display-mode Default gksudo /etc/gdm/set-display-mode Media This generally works well .
However , all the caveats posted above regarding the differences in resolution between the two displays apply : XRANDR does not work with my multi-screen display , so compiz effects are reduced to their minimum , and many applications do not work correctly as they rely on XRANDR.I used to have the two commands above on the gdm login screen , but Ubuntu 9.10 dropped support for custom commands in the gdm greeter .
The custom launchers are a usable hack .
MPlayer is set up to automatically play video in fullscreen on the television display .
The real solution , however , is to get dynamic layout switching into xorg .
I 'm not sure of the technical barriers , but having to log everyone out just to change screen layouts seems like overkill .
With laptop media centers becoming more commonplace , I look forward to this feature , and hope that everyone agrees that it is the best solution to this particular problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've opted for the large desktop option in general.
This is better than the alternative since it requires less technical know-how and screwing around in the terminal.
I use the following script to switch between the two display modes: #!/bin/sh if [ "$1" = "" ]; then  echo "No display mode given"fiif [ "$1" = "Media" ]; then  cp -f /etc/X11/xorg.conf.Media /etc/X11/xorg.conffiif [ "$1" = "Default" ]; then  cp -f /etc/X11/xorg.conf.Default /etc/X11/xorg.conffiif [ /etc/X11/xorg.conf -nt /etc/X11/displaymode-stamp ]; then  touch /etc/X11/displaymode-stamp /etc/init.d/gdm restartfi I have two custom application launchers on my panel, one for each of the following commands: gksudo /etc/gdm/set-display-mode Default  gksudo /etc/gdm/set-display-mode Media This generally works well.
However, all the caveats posted above regarding the differences in resolution between the two displays apply: XRANDR does not work with my multi-screen display, so compiz effects are reduced to their minimum, and many applications do not work correctly as they rely on XRANDR.I used to have the two commands above on the gdm login screen, but Ubuntu 9.10 dropped support for custom commands in the gdm greeter.
The custom launchers are a usable hack.
MPlayer is set up to automatically play video in fullscreen on the television display.
The real solution, however, is to get dynamic layout switching into xorg.
I'm not sure of the technical barriers, but having to log everyone out just to change screen layouts seems like overkill.
With laptop media centers becoming more commonplace, I look forward to this feature, and hope that everyone agrees that it is the best solution to this particular problem.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30941866</id>
	<title>What's the problem with</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264675500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>using people in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. to do the search for you? You only answer to show off anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>using people in / .
to do the search for you ?
You only answer to show off anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>using people in /.
to do the search for you?
You only answer to show off anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30943460</id>
	<title>Re:what</title>
	<author>tinkerghost</author>
	<datestamp>1264681920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>why not just put some windows on one screen and some windows on another screen? it doesn't matter if the window manager considers it "one workspace", it'll still be 2 workspaces because they'll be on different physicals screens in real life.</p></div></blockquote><p>I normally work with between 4 &amp; 5 active desktops. A for dev work, B for monitoring the live servers, C for email/messaging, D for reference, and E for browsing. 50\% of the time, I want B to stay up, but that other 50\% of the time I may need:
</p><ul> <li> C &amp; A to answer or ask a question</li>
<li>D &amp; A if I'm working on integrating 2 systems &amp; need access to reference materials.</li>
<li>C &amp; E or D &amp; E if I'm sourcing materials for a project.</li>
</ul><p>Having the desktop span 2 separate monitors doesn't allow that type of flexibility. I went with the 2 instances of X  route to solve my problem. It's not ideal but I can make do. 2 years ago, this was the only solution that I found that worked. Now there are several people touting that Enlightenment allows exactly what I wanted, so I may re-examine my solution.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>why not just put some windows on one screen and some windows on another screen ?
it does n't matter if the window manager considers it " one workspace " , it 'll still be 2 workspaces because they 'll be on different physicals screens in real life.I normally work with between 4 &amp; 5 active desktops .
A for dev work , B for monitoring the live servers , C for email/messaging , D for reference , and E for browsing .
50 \ % of the time , I want B to stay up , but that other 50 \ % of the time I may need : C &amp; A to answer or ask a question D &amp; A if I 'm working on integrating 2 systems &amp; need access to reference materials .
C &amp; E or D &amp; E if I 'm sourcing materials for a project .
Having the desktop span 2 separate monitors does n't allow that type of flexibility .
I went with the 2 instances of X route to solve my problem .
It 's not ideal but I can make do .
2 years ago , this was the only solution that I found that worked .
Now there are several people touting that Enlightenment allows exactly what I wanted , so I may re-examine my solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why not just put some windows on one screen and some windows on another screen?
it doesn't matter if the window manager considers it "one workspace", it'll still be 2 workspaces because they'll be on different physicals screens in real life.I normally work with between 4 &amp; 5 active desktops.
A for dev work, B for monitoring the live servers, C for email/messaging, D for reference, and E for browsing.
50\% of the time, I want B to stay up, but that other 50\% of the time I may need:
  C &amp; A to answer or ask a question
D &amp; A if I'm working on integrating 2 systems &amp; need access to reference materials.
C &amp; E or D &amp; E if I'm sourcing materials for a project.
Having the desktop span 2 separate monitors doesn't allow that type of flexibility.
I went with the 2 instances of X  route to solve my problem.
It's not ideal but I can make do.
2 years ago, this was the only solution that I found that worked.
Now there are several people touting that Enlightenment allows exactly what I wanted, so I may re-examine my solution.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940584</id>
	<title>Re:dual monitor</title>
	<author>Peter Nikolic</author>
	<datestamp>1264671600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>not tested it yet but i believe xmonad  may be of use to you   as i say not tested it yet .  but the mailing list seems to be very active .</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>not tested it yet but i believe xmonad may be of use to you as i say not tested it yet .
but the mailing list seems to be very active .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>not tested it yet but i believe xmonad  may be of use to you   as i say not tested it yet .
but the mailing list seems to be very active .</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.30940082</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_206240.31021202</id>
	<title>It's in the title!</title>
	<author>lejerdemayn</author>
	<datestamp>1265292780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>2 Displays and 2 Workspaces With Linux and X?</htmltext>
<tokenext>2 Displays and 2 Workspaces With Linux and X ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2 Displays and 2 Workspaces With Linux and X?</sentencetext>
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