<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_27_2151230</id>
	<title>How To Spread Word About My FOSS Project?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1264588860000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"I'm in a bit of a bind with an open source web software project of mine. It's a very small project that I've been developing for over three years. By now it's got a promising feature set, but very few users and virtually no community around it. The problem is that people I have asked to try it refuse to do so because it doesn't have a thriving community. It's an infinite loop: without users, we won't have a community, and without a community, users aren't coming. So, Slashdot, my question is: how can I build a community and help get the word out about a project led by 2 people and with only 5-6 regulars on our forum and IRC?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " I 'm in a bit of a bind with an open source web software project of mine .
It 's a very small project that I 've been developing for over three years .
By now it 's got a promising feature set , but very few users and virtually no community around it .
The problem is that people I have asked to try it refuse to do so because it does n't have a thriving community .
It 's an infinite loop : without users , we wo n't have a community , and without a community , users are n't coming .
So , Slashdot , my question is : how can I build a community and help get the word out about a project led by 2 people and with only 5-6 regulars on our forum and IRC ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "I'm in a bit of a bind with an open source web software project of mine.
It's a very small project that I've been developing for over three years.
By now it's got a promising feature set, but very few users and virtually no community around it.
The problem is that people I have asked to try it refuse to do so because it doesn't have a thriving community.
It's an infinite loop: without users, we won't have a community, and without a community, users aren't coming.
So, Slashdot, my question is: how can I build a community and help get the word out about a project led by 2 people and with only 5-6 regulars on our forum and IRC?
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926646</id>
	<title>Re:Put an Apple on it</title>
	<author>kellin</author>
	<datestamp>1264593000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Flame bait?  Mod this up!  Its sooo true! LOL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Flame bait ?
Mod this up !
Its sooo true !
LOL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Flame bait?
Mod this up!
Its sooo true!
LOL.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30929820</id>
	<title>Re:My suggestions.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264615740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These are very good suggestions...  I would add a few more.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -Make sure that this is something that people will use.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -Make sure that this is not of shit quality.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -Make sure this does not attempt to replace something that is already very good.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (i.e not trying to compete against apache)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -Make sure that fills a need.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -Make sure that it extensible.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These are very good suggestions... I would add a few more .
        -Make sure that this is something that people will use .
        -Make sure that this is not of shit quality .
        -Make sure this does not attempt to replace something that is already very good .
                            ( i.e not trying to compete against apache )         -Make sure that fills a need .
        -Make sure that it extensible .
       </tokentext>
<sentencetext>These are very good suggestions...  I would add a few more.
        -Make sure that this is something that people will use.
        -Make sure that this is not of shit quality.
        -Make sure this does not attempt to replace something that is already very good.
                            (i.e not trying to compete against apache)
        -Make sure that fills a need.
        -Make sure that it extensible.
       </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927072</id>
	<title>find a similar product</title>
	<author>enter to exit</author>
	<datestamp>1264594500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>find a similar piece of software and be helpful in their forums/IRC chanel.<br>
When a user wants to do something that you feel your project can handle better or do easier, give yourself a free advertisement.</htmltext>
<tokenext>find a similar piece of software and be helpful in their forums/IRC chanel .
When a user wants to do something that you feel your project can handle better or do easier , give yourself a free advertisement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>find a similar piece of software and be helpful in their forums/IRC chanel.
When a user wants to do something that you feel your project can handle better or do easier, give yourself a free advertisement.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30937896</id>
	<title>So advertise, then.</title>
	<author>SEWilco</author>
	<datestamp>1264707600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Go on a banner advertising service such as 1800banners.com and buy/exchange some banner impressions or clicks (clicks means the banner will be shown until that number of people click on it).  As this is for web technology, select one of the web categories for targeting the ad.  Then see if your invitations attract some users, and some developers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Go on a banner advertising service such as 1800banners.com and buy/exchange some banner impressions or clicks ( clicks means the banner will be shown until that number of people click on it ) .
As this is for web technology , select one of the web categories for targeting the ad .
Then see if your invitations attract some users , and some developers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go on a banner advertising service such as 1800banners.com and buy/exchange some banner impressions or clicks (clicks means the banner will be shown until that number of people click on it).
As this is for web technology, select one of the web categories for targeting the ad.
Then see if your invitations attract some users, and some developers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927286</id>
	<title>Re:Slashvertisement Fail</title>
	<author>Razalhague</author>
	<datestamp>1264595460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, it's like... an actual question? On "Ask Slashdot"?! Wow.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , it 's like... an actual question ?
On " Ask Slashdot " ? !
Wow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, it's like... an actual question?
On "Ask Slashdot"?!
Wow.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926882</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927326</id>
	<title>I Spread my software using Pornography.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264595640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hi there, I'm The Sharecash Professor.  You probably know me from<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/b/,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/k/, and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/u/ on 4chan.  I've recently entered into giving great advice on 4chan's most recent sections<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/adv/ and given excellent news on savings for participitating on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/new/.</p><p>My software delivers Lesbian Strapon Porno to anyone that answers a series of fun and easy questionaires in the promise of granting access to download the free data.</p><p>You see, my product is a consumable where only the easy-minded can access the prize.</p><p>If you want to by-pass the free questionaires because of your time or difficulty doesn't allow you to abandon the complexity and cares of your life to answer them, then just send $1 to a representive through PayPal and you'll get the content cheaper than an iTunes account.</p><p>Please, pay for my product... (you freeloaders).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi there , I 'm The Sharecash Professor .
You probably know me from /b/ , /k/ , and /u/ on 4chan .
I 've recently entered into giving great advice on 4chan 's most recent sections /adv/ and given excellent news on savings for participitating on /new/.My software delivers Lesbian Strapon Porno to anyone that answers a series of fun and easy questionaires in the promise of granting access to download the free data.You see , my product is a consumable where only the easy-minded can access the prize.If you want to by-pass the free questionaires because of your time or difficulty does n't allow you to abandon the complexity and cares of your life to answer them , then just send $ 1 to a representive through PayPal and you 'll get the content cheaper than an iTunes account.Please , pay for my product... ( you freeloaders ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi there, I'm The Sharecash Professor.
You probably know me from /b/, /k/, and /u/ on 4chan.
I've recently entered into giving great advice on 4chan's most recent sections /adv/ and given excellent news on savings for participitating on /new/.My software delivers Lesbian Strapon Porno to anyone that answers a series of fun and easy questionaires in the promise of granting access to download the free data.You see, my product is a consumable where only the easy-minded can access the prize.If you want to by-pass the free questionaires because of your time or difficulty doesn't allow you to abandon the complexity and cares of your life to answer them, then just send $1 to a representive through PayPal and you'll get the content cheaper than an iTunes account.Please, pay for my product... (you freeloaders).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926448</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30929684</id>
	<title>know your tqrget user</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264614420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>guys quite bitching about posting vs not posting the name and info about the product. None of that deals with what he is asking.</p><p>As for advice.  You need to know who your target market is.  Can you identify your user, who they are, where they are? Consider that step one.  Try to find a few initial users that will benefit from your project. It comes back to defining your user though. If you can find them directly, contact them directly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>guys quite bitching about posting vs not posting the name and info about the product .
None of that deals with what he is asking.As for advice .
You need to know who your target market is .
Can you identify your user , who they are , where they are ?
Consider that step one .
Try to find a few initial users that will benefit from your project .
It comes back to defining your user though .
If you can find them directly , contact them directly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>guys quite bitching about posting vs not posting the name and info about the product.
None of that deals with what he is asking.As for advice.
You need to know who your target market is.
Can you identify your user, who they are, where they are?
Consider that step one.
Try to find a few initial users that will benefit from your project.
It comes back to defining your user though.
If you can find them directly, contact them directly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927558</id>
	<title>Same as Fox News</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264596960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Add more chicks in bikini's</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Add more chicks in bikini 's</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Add more chicks in bikini's</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927756</id>
	<title>Code Offset</title>
	<author>halcyon1234</author>
	<datestamp>1264598040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If it's good, but needs a push, why not submit it for the <a href="http://codeoffsets.com/Contact.aspx" title="codeoffsets.com">Good Code Grant</a> [codeoffsets.com]?<p>
From the FAQ:</p><blockquote><div><p>The Alliance for Code Excellence wants to help in its own small way. The $500 Good Code Grant could provide the one small spark that might ignite some bright idea gnawing at some developer somewhere. That idea, once enabled, could shine the light of code excellence around the worldwide code base.
<br> <br>
Tell us about your current free and open source project or your idea for a new free and open source project. Be sure to describe how your idea or project decreases the propagation of bad code as it increases the excellence of the worldwide code base. Finally, let us know how you think that $500 grant will help your project blossom as it aligns with our vision for the future.</p></div>
</blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it 's good , but needs a push , why not submit it for the Good Code Grant [ codeoffsets.com ] ?
From the FAQ : The Alliance for Code Excellence wants to help in its own small way .
The $ 500 Good Code Grant could provide the one small spark that might ignite some bright idea gnawing at some developer somewhere .
That idea , once enabled , could shine the light of code excellence around the worldwide code base .
Tell us about your current free and open source project or your idea for a new free and open source project .
Be sure to describe how your idea or project decreases the propagation of bad code as it increases the excellence of the worldwide code base .
Finally , let us know how you think that $ 500 grant will help your project blossom as it aligns with our vision for the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it's good, but needs a push, why not submit it for the Good Code Grant [codeoffsets.com]?
From the FAQ:The Alliance for Code Excellence wants to help in its own small way.
The $500 Good Code Grant could provide the one small spark that might ignite some bright idea gnawing at some developer somewhere.
That idea, once enabled, could shine the light of code excellence around the worldwide code base.
Tell us about your current free and open source project or your idea for a new free and open source project.
Be sure to describe how your idea or project decreases the propagation of bad code as it increases the excellence of the worldwide code base.
Finally, let us know how you think that $500 grant will help your project blossom as it aligns with our vision for the future.

	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927996</id>
	<title>Re:Open Source Development HOWTO</title>
	<author>keeboo</author>
	<datestamp>1264599600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The MSN part is troll-ish, some parts are oversimplistic and troll-ish aswell but...<br>
<br>
While I'm a supporter of FOSS software, things like that do happen. There's a great deal of truth in that text.<br>
Ironically, it also applies to proprietary software. The difference? We never hear about that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The MSN part is troll-ish , some parts are oversimplistic and troll-ish aswell but.. . While I 'm a supporter of FOSS software , things like that do happen .
There 's a great deal of truth in that text .
Ironically , it also applies to proprietary software .
The difference ?
We never hear about that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The MSN part is troll-ish, some parts are oversimplistic and troll-ish aswell but...

While I'm a supporter of FOSS software, things like that do happen.
There's a great deal of truth in that text.
Ironically, it also applies to proprietary software.
The difference?
We never hear about that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927330</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30932906</id>
	<title>Re:Or ...</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1264692720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or wrongfully arrested by racist cops...only to be acquitted...then go to prison years later because you break into someone's hotel room and threaten them with a gun for ripping you off on memorabilia sales. That would really kill your project if you didn't have other developers involved.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or wrongfully arrested by racist cops...only to be acquitted...then go to prison years later because you break into someone 's hotel room and threaten them with a gun for ripping you off on memorabilia sales .
That would really kill your project if you did n't have other developers involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or wrongfully arrested by racist cops...only to be acquitted...then go to prison years later because you break into someone's hotel room and threaten them with a gun for ripping you off on memorabilia sales.
That would really kill your project if you didn't have other developers involved.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927398</id>
	<title>Be careful what you wish for!</title>
	<author>GrahamCox</author>
	<datestamp>1264596060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You have to ask yourself honestly what you want to gain from starting a large community around a FOSS project. Even very small communities take a huge amount of time and effort to hold together, and it really is a lot of work. Rarely do people simply tell you what a great piece of work you've done; much more likely they will be finding fault and questioning your design decisions. If you are ready for that and genuinely see it as a way to build a better product, then great, go for it. But if your real (possibly subconscious) motivation is kudos and ego-massaging, forget it. If your project is useful to you and serves a need, that may well turn out to be good enough - if a few others also find it useful, that's a bonus. But beyond that, the overhead of support for a larger group will probably take up all your time. Is it worth it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You have to ask yourself honestly what you want to gain from starting a large community around a FOSS project .
Even very small communities take a huge amount of time and effort to hold together , and it really is a lot of work .
Rarely do people simply tell you what a great piece of work you 've done ; much more likely they will be finding fault and questioning your design decisions .
If you are ready for that and genuinely see it as a way to build a better product , then great , go for it .
But if your real ( possibly subconscious ) motivation is kudos and ego-massaging , forget it .
If your project is useful to you and serves a need , that may well turn out to be good enough - if a few others also find it useful , that 's a bonus .
But beyond that , the overhead of support for a larger group will probably take up all your time .
Is it worth it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have to ask yourself honestly what you want to gain from starting a large community around a FOSS project.
Even very small communities take a huge amount of time and effort to hold together, and it really is a lot of work.
Rarely do people simply tell you what a great piece of work you've done; much more likely they will be finding fault and questioning your design decisions.
If you are ready for that and genuinely see it as a way to build a better product, then great, go for it.
But if your real (possibly subconscious) motivation is kudos and ego-massaging, forget it.
If your project is useful to you and serves a need, that may well turn out to be good enough - if a few others also find it useful, that's a bonus.
But beyond that, the overhead of support for a larger group will probably take up all your time.
Is it worth it?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30931388</id>
	<title>Re:Talk to your users</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1264678200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Last time I got "friendlier" with one of my users I got into a law suit.</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last time I got " friendlier " with one of my users I got into a law suit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last time I got "friendlier" with one of my users I got into a law suit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30931350</id>
	<title>you could do this</title>
	<author>viralMeme</author>
	<datestamp>1264677900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Put the project up on sourceforge and post a link to it. What's the name again ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Put the project up on sourceforge and post a link to it .
What 's the name again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Put the project up on sourceforge and post a link to it.
What's the name again ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926724</id>
	<title>freshmeat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264593240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try posting to freshmeat?</p><p><a href="http://freshmeat.net/about" title="freshmeat.net" rel="nofollow">http://freshmeat.net/about</a> [freshmeat.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try posting to freshmeat ? http : //freshmeat.net/about [ freshmeat.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try posting to freshmeat?http://freshmeat.net/about [freshmeat.net]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927236</id>
	<title>jQuery podcast</title>
	<author>darkgumby</author>
	<datestamp>1264595220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Go and listen to the Official jQuery Podcast from 12/18/2009.<br>
It features, Rey Bango, the Head jQuery Evangelist. He explains the how/why/what of evangelism for the jQuery project.
<br>Excellent stuff.<br>
<a href="http://blog.jquery.com/2009/11/13/announcing-the-official-jquery-podcast/" title="jquery.com" rel="nofollow">http://blog.jquery.com/2009/11/13/announcing-the-official-jquery-podcast/</a> [jquery.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Go and listen to the Official jQuery Podcast from 12/18/2009 .
It features , Rey Bango , the Head jQuery Evangelist .
He explains the how/why/what of evangelism for the jQuery project .
Excellent stuff .
http : //blog.jquery.com/2009/11/13/announcing-the-official-jquery-podcast/ [ jquery.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go and listen to the Official jQuery Podcast from 12/18/2009.
It features, Rey Bango, the Head jQuery Evangelist.
He explains the how/why/what of evangelism for the jQuery project.
Excellent stuff.
http://blog.jquery.com/2009/11/13/announcing-the-official-jquery-podcast/ [jquery.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30931486</id>
	<title>no wonder...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264679460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you make it to Slashdot and don't include a f** -link- to your project? dude, to me, it's obvious why you haven't succeeded in building a community</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you make it to Slashdot and do n't include a f * * -link- to your project ?
dude , to me , it 's obvious why you have n't succeeded in building a community</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you make it to Slashdot and don't include a f** -link- to your project?
dude, to me, it's obvious why you haven't succeeded in building a community</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30928168</id>
	<title>Re:Talk to your users</title>
	<author>topnob</author>
	<datestamp>1264600500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>is twitter that popular? i hear a lot of people talk about it(and websites) but I don't actually know anyone(outside celebrities that use it)</htmltext>
<tokenext>is twitter that popular ?
i hear a lot of people talk about it ( and websites ) but I do n't actually know anyone ( outside celebrities that use it )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is twitter that popular?
i hear a lot of people talk about it(and websites) but I don't actually know anyone(outside celebrities that use it)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926448</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30928794</id>
	<title>Or ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264605300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or imprisoned for murdering your wife.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or imprisoned for murdering your wife .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or imprisoned for murdering your wife.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926686</id>
	<title>Re:Easy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264593120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nope, Slashdot is actually an exception to the three-phase model, because this is what happens:</p><p>1) Post a message to Slashdot<br>2) Get Slashdotted<br>3) Spend all potential profits on bandwidth charges</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nope , Slashdot is actually an exception to the three-phase model , because this is what happens : 1 ) Post a message to Slashdot2 ) Get Slashdotted3 ) Spend all potential profits on bandwidth charges</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nope, Slashdot is actually an exception to the three-phase model, because this is what happens:1) Post a message to Slashdot2) Get Slashdotted3) Spend all potential profits on bandwidth charges</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926510</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927760</id>
	<title>I've used your software</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264598040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And it sucks balls dude. Sorry. Just being honest.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And it sucks balls dude .
Sorry. Just being honest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And it sucks balls dude.
Sorry. Just being honest.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927580</id>
	<title>The sad fact is...</title>
	<author>simaul</author>
	<datestamp>1264597080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For every successful FOSS project there are<br>hundreds of wannabes. Most are ignored, and<br>rightfully so. Yours might be different... you<br>do have more than just yourself involved.</p><p>But so often one hears the whine, "won't someone<br>please join my little project" and there's just<br>nothing there worth looking at. Could this be you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For every successful FOSS project there arehundreds of wannabes .
Most are ignored , andrightfully so .
Yours might be different... youdo have more than just yourself involved.But so often one hears the whine , " wo n't someoneplease join my little project " and there 's justnothing there worth looking at .
Could this be you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For every successful FOSS project there arehundreds of wannabes.
Most are ignored, andrightfully so.
Yours might be different... youdo have more than just yourself involved.But so often one hears the whine, "won't someoneplease join my little project" and there's justnothing there worth looking at.
Could this be you?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30930666</id>
	<title>Re:Talk to your users</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1264669440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I may, I would like to add something to the suggestions given by the parent: Make your project <i>very</i> easy to setup, configure and use. In fact, make it a pleasure to do these things. Far too many open source projects, even ones that are technically superior in most other respects, fail to go the last mile in their march towards the users. They stop once the features are working and other geeks can setup, configure and use their work. Ask yourself what the difference between Apple and Microsoft is; with Apple one simply turns on the product and starts using it. It is a pleasure to use and powerful yet simple. Contrast that with the experience of a novice Windows user and you will begin to see my point. If your project solves a common problem(s) well AND is easy to use, word will spread soon enough; but above all else, make it easy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I may , I would like to add something to the suggestions given by the parent : Make your project very easy to setup , configure and use .
In fact , make it a pleasure to do these things .
Far too many open source projects , even ones that are technically superior in most other respects , fail to go the last mile in their march towards the users .
They stop once the features are working and other geeks can setup , configure and use their work .
Ask yourself what the difference between Apple and Microsoft is ; with Apple one simply turns on the product and starts using it .
It is a pleasure to use and powerful yet simple .
Contrast that with the experience of a novice Windows user and you will begin to see my point .
If your project solves a common problem ( s ) well AND is easy to use , word will spread soon enough ; but above all else , make it easy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I may, I would like to add something to the suggestions given by the parent: Make your project very easy to setup, configure and use.
In fact, make it a pleasure to do these things.
Far too many open source projects, even ones that are technically superior in most other respects, fail to go the last mile in their march towards the users.
They stop once the features are working and other geeks can setup, configure and use their work.
Ask yourself what the difference between Apple and Microsoft is; with Apple one simply turns on the product and starts using it.
It is a pleasure to use and powerful yet simple.
Contrast that with the experience of a novice Windows user and you will begin to see my point.
If your project solves a common problem(s) well AND is easy to use, word will spread soon enough; but above all else, make it easy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926448</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30929954</id>
	<title>Re:It's simple</title>
	<author>AgNO3</author>
	<datestamp>1264617240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Dude no matter what the other slashdot users say.  Watching her from behind the shrubs is not friendlier.   You have to actually talk to the girl. Preferable someplace with a lot of light.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude no matter what the other slashdot users say .
Watching her from behind the shrubs is not friendlier .
You have to actually talk to the girl .
Preferable someplace with a lot of light .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude no matter what the other slashdot users say.
Watching her from behind the shrubs is not friendlier.
You have to actually talk to the girl.
Preferable someplace with a lot of light.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927280</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30935104</id>
	<title>Re:Open Source Development HOWTO</title>
	<author>2obvious4u</author>
	<datestamp>1264700280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It wasn't until I got to "Ask for Help" that I had to look up and see you were modded funny.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It was n't until I got to " Ask for Help " that I had to look up and see you were modded funny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It wasn't until I got to "Ask for Help" that I had to look up and see you were modded funny.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927330</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30930106</id>
	<title>Re:Talk to your users</title>
	<author>Willfon</author>
	<datestamp>1264619340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>spot on. no one wants to commit to using software that will disappear if you get hit by a bus.</p></div><p>Sometimes people do use one-man projects, but then your application needs to be spot on. Example: Smultron and Lingon - <a href="http://smultron.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">http://smultron.sourceforge.net/</a> [sourceforge.net]. The first is a text editor for Mac which is comparable to Notepad++ on Windows and Lingon which is a utility for making <em>launchd</em> files. Developed by one guy, used by thousands. And although he didn't get hit by a bus, it is canned. Same story with lots of utilities, made by clever guys who got a lot of press time and who are now too busy speaking at seminars and conferences to develop the apps.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>spot on .
no one wants to commit to using software that will disappear if you get hit by a bus.Sometimes people do use one-man projects , but then your application needs to be spot on .
Example : Smultron and Lingon - http : //smultron.sourceforge.net/ [ sourceforge.net ] .
The first is a text editor for Mac which is comparable to Notepad + + on Windows and Lingon which is a utility for making launchd files .
Developed by one guy , used by thousands .
And although he did n't get hit by a bus , it is canned .
Same story with lots of utilities , made by clever guys who got a lot of press time and who are now too busy speaking at seminars and conferences to develop the apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>spot on.
no one wants to commit to using software that will disappear if you get hit by a bus.Sometimes people do use one-man projects, but then your application needs to be spot on.
Example: Smultron and Lingon - http://smultron.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net].
The first is a text editor for Mac which is comparable to Notepad++ on Windows and Lingon which is a utility for making launchd files.
Developed by one guy, used by thousands.
And although he didn't get hit by a bus, it is canned.
Same story with lots of utilities, made by clever guys who got a lot of press time and who are now too busy speaking at seminars and conferences to develop the apps.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927600</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30928100</id>
	<title>Like any other business</title>
	<author>CharlyFoxtrot</author>
	<datestamp>1264600140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Find the people who are the target for your application and sell to them. Go to whatever blogs, forums, etc they hang out on and tell them about your application and be helpful. Like <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhqZ0RU95d4" title="youtube.com">this guy</a> [youtube.com] says: become a part of the community, give a crap and build something worthwhile.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Find the people who are the target for your application and sell to them .
Go to whatever blogs , forums , etc they hang out on and tell them about your application and be helpful .
Like this guy [ youtube.com ] says : become a part of the community , give a crap and build something worthwhile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Find the people who are the target for your application and sell to them.
Go to whatever blogs, forums, etc they hang out on and tell them about your application and be helpful.
Like this guy [youtube.com] says: become a part of the community, give a crap and build something worthwhile.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927338</id>
	<title>Make it do something useful</title>
	<author>takowl</author>
	<datestamp>1264595760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been involved with a project which fitted this description almost perfectly: FOSS webapp which was dependent on a community it never really had. I almost thought the question could be about it, until I visited its page to find that it's being closed down. It may sound obvious, but I think what really did for that project was that it didn't do anything people could already do. Specifically, a large part of its functionality was replicating things that Facebook did, and maybe 99\% of its target users were on Facebook. Without a compelling reason to use it, it never really took off, and the developers weren't enthused enough to create the grand new features that had been planned.</p><p>Getting critical mass in the first place is hard. I wonder if there's any stories out there about how Facebook/Myspace/Twitter first got started. As others have said, you'll need to sell it to your friends first, then work at keeping them happy until they're happy to recommend it to their friends. Perhaps focus at first on the non-social aspects of the site, that don't depend on community, then be ready to shift to a more social model once you've got a couple of dozen users. An empty forum is just depressing, but some old-fashioned content is useful even for the very first visitor.</p><p>Oh, and since everyone's busy berating you for not giving the name: well done on not Slashvertising! Although I admit I'm also curious about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been involved with a project which fitted this description almost perfectly : FOSS webapp which was dependent on a community it never really had .
I almost thought the question could be about it , until I visited its page to find that it 's being closed down .
It may sound obvious , but I think what really did for that project was that it did n't do anything people could already do .
Specifically , a large part of its functionality was replicating things that Facebook did , and maybe 99 \ % of its target users were on Facebook .
Without a compelling reason to use it , it never really took off , and the developers were n't enthused enough to create the grand new features that had been planned.Getting critical mass in the first place is hard .
I wonder if there 's any stories out there about how Facebook/Myspace/Twitter first got started .
As others have said , you 'll need to sell it to your friends first , then work at keeping them happy until they 're happy to recommend it to their friends .
Perhaps focus at first on the non-social aspects of the site , that do n't depend on community , then be ready to shift to a more social model once you 've got a couple of dozen users .
An empty forum is just depressing , but some old-fashioned content is useful even for the very first visitor.Oh , and since everyone 's busy berating you for not giving the name : well done on not Slashvertising !
Although I admit I 'm also curious about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been involved with a project which fitted this description almost perfectly: FOSS webapp which was dependent on a community it never really had.
I almost thought the question could be about it, until I visited its page to find that it's being closed down.
It may sound obvious, but I think what really did for that project was that it didn't do anything people could already do.
Specifically, a large part of its functionality was replicating things that Facebook did, and maybe 99\% of its target users were on Facebook.
Without a compelling reason to use it, it never really took off, and the developers weren't enthused enough to create the grand new features that had been planned.Getting critical mass in the first place is hard.
I wonder if there's any stories out there about how Facebook/Myspace/Twitter first got started.
As others have said, you'll need to sell it to your friends first, then work at keeping them happy until they're happy to recommend it to their friends.
Perhaps focus at first on the non-social aspects of the site, that don't depend on community, then be ready to shift to a more social model once you've got a couple of dozen users.
An empty forum is just depressing, but some old-fashioned content is useful even for the very first visitor.Oh, and since everyone's busy berating you for not giving the name: well done on not Slashvertising!
Although I admit I'm also curious about it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30928886</id>
	<title>Just Hire Danese Cooper</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264605900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>After all, she helped create the wonderful CDDL license for Sun Microsystems. Look what it has done for Sun!</htmltext>
<tokenext>After all , she helped create the wonderful CDDL license for Sun Microsystems .
Look what it has done for Sun !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After all, she helped create the wonderful CDDL license for Sun Microsystems.
Look what it has done for Sun!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30933094</id>
	<title>Re:Tell us what it's called...</title>
	<author>xiox</author>
	<datestamp>1264693620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If he's missed the opportunity, can I plug my software instead?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-) Hey, great scientific plotting package, <a href="http://home.gna.org/veusz/" title="gna.org">Veusz</a> [gna.org]!!!  Get it while it's hot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If he 's missed the opportunity , can I plug my software instead ?
: - ) Hey , great scientific plotting package , Veusz [ gna.org ] ! ! !
Get it while it 's hot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If he's missed the opportunity, can I plug my software instead?
:-) Hey, great scientific plotting package, Veusz [gna.org]!!!
Get it while it's hot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926540</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926882</id>
	<title>Slashvertisement Fail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264593780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So basically.. this is a Slashvertisement without the name of the project? Brilliant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So basically.. this is a Slashvertisement without the name of the project ?
Brilliant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So basically.. this is a Slashvertisement without the name of the project?
Brilliant.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30929348</id>
	<title>Community isn't everything...</title>
	<author>ColoBikerDude</author>
	<datestamp>1264610580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As an architect who frequently evaluates open source software libraries, I'm actually less interested in the size of the community than the activity level of the software baseline itself. If the CM repository is active and the library has enough documentation for me to figure out how to use it in an hour or two, I'll consider it for use.<br>
<br>
Of course, a web application has slightly different considerations than a software library, but an active software baseline and sufficient documentation still go a long way...</htmltext>
<tokenext>As an architect who frequently evaluates open source software libraries , I 'm actually less interested in the size of the community than the activity level of the software baseline itself .
If the CM repository is active and the library has enough documentation for me to figure out how to use it in an hour or two , I 'll consider it for use .
Of course , a web application has slightly different considerations than a software library , but an active software baseline and sufficient documentation still go a long way.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an architect who frequently evaluates open source software libraries, I'm actually less interested in the size of the community than the activity level of the software baseline itself.
If the CM repository is active and the library has enough documentation for me to figure out how to use it in an hour or two, I'll consider it for use.
Of course, a web application has slightly different considerations than a software library, but an active software baseline and sufficient documentation still go a long way...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30929426</id>
	<title>Spam like Alain does... it works for him</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264611720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do what Alain does, spam weekly your site. How this is tolerated is beyond me though...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do what Alain does , spam weekly your site .
How this is tolerated is beyond me though.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do what Alain does, spam weekly your site.
How this is tolerated is beyond me though...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926448</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927162</id>
	<title>Please stop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264594860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are taking the jobs of commercial software developers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are taking the jobs of commercial software developers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are taking the jobs of commercial software developers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30928634</id>
	<title>Re:It's simple</title>
	<author>electroniceric</author>
	<datestamp>1264604040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Absolutely agreed.  If you want to promote it, you have to go find people you think MIGHT (not may, not are...) be interested  and promote it to them.</p><p>I would add something else I noted just from the original post.  You submitted anonymously, and didn't mention the name of your project, much less link to it's *Forge page.  Very honorable in that you don't appear to be self-promoting.  The reality, however, is that shameless self-promotion is both necessary and useful.  Just the project name and a link would have netted you probably 10s of leads.  Then as the parent said, go follow up and be friends with those people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Absolutely agreed .
If you want to promote it , you have to go find people you think MIGHT ( not may , not are... ) be interested and promote it to them.I would add something else I noted just from the original post .
You submitted anonymously , and did n't mention the name of your project , much less link to it 's * Forge page .
Very honorable in that you do n't appear to be self-promoting .
The reality , however , is that shameless self-promotion is both necessary and useful .
Just the project name and a link would have netted you probably 10s of leads .
Then as the parent said , go follow up and be friends with those people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Absolutely agreed.
If you want to promote it, you have to go find people you think MIGHT (not may, not are...) be interested  and promote it to them.I would add something else I noted just from the original post.
You submitted anonymously, and didn't mention the name of your project, much less link to it's *Forge page.
Very honorable in that you don't appear to be self-promoting.
The reality, however, is that shameless self-promotion is both necessary and useful.
Just the project name and a link would have netted you probably 10s of leads.
Then as the parent said, go follow up and be friends with those people.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926452</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30932202</id>
	<title>Re:Easy</title>
	<author>Gabberkooij</author>
	<datestamp>1264688220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lol, one of the reasons I did not yet promote / tell about the project i'm currently working on. It's community is already growing only by word of mouth and a few community sites. Still i'm now almost at 20GB bandwith this month.... Figure out what happens if that many people are only looking at it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lol , one of the reasons I did not yet promote / tell about the project i 'm currently working on .
It 's community is already growing only by word of mouth and a few community sites .
Still i 'm now almost at 20GB bandwith this month.... Figure out what happens if that many people are only looking at it : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lol, one of the reasons I did not yet promote / tell about the project i'm currently working on.
It's community is already growing only by word of mouth and a few community sites.
Still i'm now almost at 20GB bandwith this month.... Figure out what happens if that many people are only looking at it :-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926686</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927152</id>
	<title>Where did /. go?</title>
	<author>Joucifer</author>
	<datestamp>1264594860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Shouldn't there be about 9 links in there to your project of shameless self promotion?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Should n't there be about 9 links in there to your project of shameless self promotion ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shouldn't there be about 9 links in there to your project of shameless self promotion?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30929374</id>
	<title>Clearly Articulate the Value Proposition</title>
	<author>anomalous cohort</author>
	<datestamp>1264611000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's what we learned when we <a href="http://www.dynamicalsoftware.com/kato/framework/redesign" title="dynamicalsoftware.com">asked a similar question</a> [dynamicalsoftware.com] with another FOSS project called <a href="http://kato.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">KATO</a> [sourceforge.net]. Those who responded said that <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/answers/technology/software-development/TCH\_SFT/606651-3189477" title="linkedin.com">they couldn't figure out</a> [linkedin.com] <a href="http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?biz.5.791702.9" title="joelonsoftware.com">what KATO could do</a> [joelonsoftware.com] for them. You need to be very specific and concrete. Say it in five words or less and surface it very prominently.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what we learned when we asked a similar question [ dynamicalsoftware.com ] with another FOSS project called KATO [ sourceforge.net ] .
Those who responded said that they could n't figure out [ linkedin.com ] what KATO could do [ joelonsoftware.com ] for them .
You need to be very specific and concrete .
Say it in five words or less and surface it very prominently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what we learned when we asked a similar question [dynamicalsoftware.com] with another FOSS project called KATO [sourceforge.net].
Those who responded said that they couldn't figure out [linkedin.com] what KATO could do [joelonsoftware.com] for them.
You need to be very specific and concrete.
Say it in five words or less and surface it very prominently.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30931652</id>
	<title>Re:Or ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264681860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, she might be using a competing product in secret, like, uhm, ext4 if you're into file systems and shit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , she might be using a competing product in secret , like , uhm , ext4 if you 're into file systems and shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, she might be using a competing product in secret, like, uhm, ext4 if you're into file systems and shit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927782</id>
	<title>Marketing advice</title>
	<author>obarthelemy</author>
	<datestamp>1264598160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wanted to look at your project...<br>- no link in the post<br>- no link on your blog<br>- no link on your<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. journal</p><p>so, step 1 would be to let people know what you're working on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wanted to look at your project...- no link in the post- no link on your blog- no link on your / .
journalso , step 1 would be to let people know what you 're working on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wanted to look at your project...- no link in the post- no link on your blog- no link on your /.
journalso, step 1 would be to let people know what you're working on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927256</id>
	<title>Re:Tell us what it's called...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264595280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I may be wrong, but my guess is it is called fairsoftware.net.</p><p>No obvious shilling in the intro, but quick in there in the thread with a link. Seems to me that domain shows up a lot in posts that seem to dance around this issue. I wonder what fairsoftware is all about?</p><p>It's OK though, this comment will get modded troll or just vanish anyway. So whether it is right or wrong won't matter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I may be wrong , but my guess is it is called fairsoftware.net.No obvious shilling in the intro , but quick in there in the thread with a link .
Seems to me that domain shows up a lot in posts that seem to dance around this issue .
I wonder what fairsoftware is all about ? It 's OK though , this comment will get modded troll or just vanish anyway .
So whether it is right or wrong wo n't matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I may be wrong, but my guess is it is called fairsoftware.net.No obvious shilling in the intro, but quick in there in the thread with a link.
Seems to me that domain shows up a lot in posts that seem to dance around this issue.
I wonder what fairsoftware is all about?It's OK though, this comment will get modded troll or just vanish anyway.
So whether it is right or wrong won't matter.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926774</id>
	<title>Re:Tell us what it's called...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264593360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I disagree.  I think he's doing it perfectly.</p><p>He's asked a generic question, without shilling in the article section.  That means it's less likely he's just out spamming, because he hasn't identified who he is or what the project is.  So he's largely avoided the shitstorm of angry slashdotters accusing him of spamming.</p><p>But in doing so, he's piqued the curiosity of a few of us, and we've ASKED him to post details of his project now.  If he does so, that means he's actually spent a few minutes here reading the responses.  This marks him as someone who at least isn't doing a drive-by spamming.</p><p>Either very good and sophisticated marketing, or an honest question from a manager of a small project.  I can't decide which.  But either way, it works, and I'm curious about the project.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I disagree .
I think he 's doing it perfectly.He 's asked a generic question , without shilling in the article section .
That means it 's less likely he 's just out spamming , because he has n't identified who he is or what the project is .
So he 's largely avoided the shitstorm of angry slashdotters accusing him of spamming.But in doing so , he 's piqued the curiosity of a few of us , and we 've ASKED him to post details of his project now .
If he does so , that means he 's actually spent a few minutes here reading the responses .
This marks him as someone who at least is n't doing a drive-by spamming.Either very good and sophisticated marketing , or an honest question from a manager of a small project .
I ca n't decide which .
But either way , it works , and I 'm curious about the project .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I disagree.
I think he's doing it perfectly.He's asked a generic question, without shilling in the article section.
That means it's less likely he's just out spamming, because he hasn't identified who he is or what the project is.
So he's largely avoided the shitstorm of angry slashdotters accusing him of spamming.But in doing so, he's piqued the curiosity of a few of us, and we've ASKED him to post details of his project now.
If he does so, that means he's actually spent a few minutes here reading the responses.
This marks him as someone who at least isn't doing a drive-by spamming.Either very good and sophisticated marketing, or an honest question from a manager of a small project.
I can't decide which.
But either way, it works, and I'm curious about the project.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927090</id>
	<title>How to spread the word about the global warming...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264594620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>bogeyman:</p><p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html" title="dailymail.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html</a> [dailymail.co.uk]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>bogeyman : http : //www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html [ dailymail.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>bogeyman:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html [dailymail.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30929690</id>
	<title>Re:This would have been a great start</title>
	<author>GigaHurtsMyRobot</author>
	<datestamp>1264614420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a php developer, I'd be interested in taking a look at your system and possibly writing a plugin.  gfosco at gmail.com</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a php developer , I 'd be interested in taking a look at your system and possibly writing a plugin .
gfosco at gmail.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a php developer, I'd be interested in taking a look at your system and possibly writing a plugin.
gfosco at gmail.com</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926852</id>
	<title>Re:Easy</title>
	<author>nmb3000</author>
	<datestamp>1264593660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>1) Post a message to slashdot<br>2) ????<br>3) Profit</i></p><p>Except in this rare case the mystery step 2 is easy to identify:</p><p>1) Post a message to slashdot<br>2) <b>Include a link to your project</b><br>3) Profit!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) Post a message to slashdot2 ) ? ? ?
? 3 ) ProfitExcept in this rare case the mystery step 2 is easy to identify : 1 ) Post a message to slashdot2 ) Include a link to your project3 ) Profit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) Post a message to slashdot2) ???
?3) ProfitExcept in this rare case the mystery step 2 is easy to identify:1) Post a message to slashdot2) Include a link to your project3) Profit!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927858</id>
	<title>Reduce the barriers</title>
	<author>plcurechax</author>
	<datestamp>1264598760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Make it as easy as possible for users to try your software.</p><p>Take the time to create <b>and maintain</b> packaging for major Linux and BSD distributions. Or at least make it as easy as possible for someone to maintain a distribution package of the current stable version.</p><p>Make it easy to migrate to, and if possible, back out of again, from the popular alternative(s). Such as Import / Export functionality from popular commercial software (if there is any). In other words, as easy as possible for people to try your software.</p><p>Improve documentation. Write basic tutorials for with specific instructions for more distributions. Ensure you have a good wiki / FAQ / knowledgebase dealing with installation and usage issues that have been already reported, and keep it up to date with new issues that arise in newer releases. I hate seeing a FAQ for project X that hasn't been updated since the original 0.9 release 3 years ago.</p><p>Of course it has to be useful. Preferably better than the other free (either gratis or open-source / libre) alternatives.</p><p>Does the usefulness of the web software itself increase with an increased userbase? Look at marketing that deals with the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network\_effect" title="wikipedia.org">network effect</a> [wikipedia.org]. In general, look at IT marketing, consider what would work with your target userbase, and try to go with that. How much do you know about your userbase? Market research is vital, even on FLOSS projects.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Make it as easy as possible for users to try your software.Take the time to create and maintain packaging for major Linux and BSD distributions .
Or at least make it as easy as possible for someone to maintain a distribution package of the current stable version.Make it easy to migrate to , and if possible , back out of again , from the popular alternative ( s ) .
Such as Import / Export functionality from popular commercial software ( if there is any ) .
In other words , as easy as possible for people to try your software.Improve documentation .
Write basic tutorials for with specific instructions for more distributions .
Ensure you have a good wiki / FAQ / knowledgebase dealing with installation and usage issues that have been already reported , and keep it up to date with new issues that arise in newer releases .
I hate seeing a FAQ for project X that has n't been updated since the original 0.9 release 3 years ago.Of course it has to be useful .
Preferably better than the other free ( either gratis or open-source / libre ) alternatives.Does the usefulness of the web software itself increase with an increased userbase ?
Look at marketing that deals with the network effect [ wikipedia.org ] .
In general , look at IT marketing , consider what would work with your target userbase , and try to go with that .
How much do you know about your userbase ?
Market research is vital , even on FLOSS projects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make it as easy as possible for users to try your software.Take the time to create and maintain packaging for major Linux and BSD distributions.
Or at least make it as easy as possible for someone to maintain a distribution package of the current stable version.Make it easy to migrate to, and if possible, back out of again, from the popular alternative(s).
Such as Import / Export functionality from popular commercial software (if there is any).
In other words, as easy as possible for people to try your software.Improve documentation.
Write basic tutorials for with specific instructions for more distributions.
Ensure you have a good wiki / FAQ / knowledgebase dealing with installation and usage issues that have been already reported, and keep it up to date with new issues that arise in newer releases.
I hate seeing a FAQ for project X that hasn't been updated since the original 0.9 release 3 years ago.Of course it has to be useful.
Preferably better than the other free (either gratis or open-source / libre) alternatives.Does the usefulness of the web software itself increase with an increased userbase?
Look at marketing that deals with the network effect [wikipedia.org].
In general, look at IT marketing, consider what would work with your target userbase, and try to go with that.
How much do you know about your userbase?
Market research is vital, even on FLOSS projects.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30929434</id>
	<title>Re:Talk to your users</title>
	<author>fishybell</author>
	<datestamp>1264611900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>spot on. no one wants to commit to using software that will disappear if you get hit by a bus.</p></div><p>...or if you murder your wife.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>spot on .
no one wants to commit to using software that will disappear if you get hit by a bus....or if you murder your wife .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>spot on.
no one wants to commit to using software that will disappear if you get hit by a bus....or if you murder your wife.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30928642</id>
	<title>Re:This would have been a great start</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264604100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(Again, I'm the OP. Yay for keeping up with your own threads!)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>If there were any info. on what the project is and where to check it out.  (I realize a lot of people would have made snarky comments if that info had been included too.  A regular catch 22 -- but this is a great opportunity and you should post a description and link to the project in this thread.)</p></div><p>No. It'd get modded down for spam, and I would be flamed out the whazoo for slashvertising.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Without any specifics I would think most answers are going to be just as generic.  Post about it in different message boards, post about it at aggregator type sites (reddit, digg) - use twitter, facebook or whatever else might help people find out about it.</p></div><p>We actually have a pretty strong web presence - we're on Twitter, FreshMeat, SourceForge, and I've posted to sites like The Admin Zone before, asking for help with testing. We're actually in a late beta stage right now.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Who are the intended users?  Where would those people be that you might show up and promote your project?  Are their user groups that might be a good place to frequent?</p></div><p>The project is basically a CMS that integrates a lot of the features found in a wiki, e.g. templates, the raw power of system messages, namespaces, etc. It also has very CMS-ey features like access control lists, a template system, a real admin panel, and module support. I started the project hoping to provide an alternative to MediaWiki - and it uses MediaWiki's formatting language - but since I started it, it's gone way off on its own path as my own need for features increased. In a way, it's a CMS I built to meet my own needs, but written in a portable fashion enough that anyone should be able to use it. This has made it rough around the edges in some places (e.g., the GUI editor gets very little love, and there's no toolbar making it easy to insert any type of formatting). But overall the interface is pretty polished and smooth, and there are hooks nearly everywhere for plugins.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Would a publication/site that deals with FOSS or whatever problem your project solves be interested in doing a write-up?  Will they accept one from someone on the project or one of the users?</p></div><p>I'll definitely talk to the other member of the project, who takes care of our marketing and packaging, about finding a site or two that would be willing to do this. You've got a point, we haven't been great at doing this, but the few times we have tried and persisted (e.g. BitNami) it has worked.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>If it runs on Linux is it available through the package management systems of the major distros?</p></div><p>We've tried. Fedora bitched at us for not splitting off trivial components like jQuery, TinyMCE and Text\_Wiki into extra packages. I responded by reminding them that we had to fork a small part of TinyMCE (we modified the gzip script to use the project's central cache directory), jQuery is only one file, and we forked the shit out of Text\_Wiki after it got abandoned by the original developer, finally just replacing it with our own parsing engine. Perhaps the aforementioned co-manager can get it in the repos now that the most glaring problem - Text\_Wiki - is taken care of.</p><p>Debian... well, all the licenses we use are DFSG compliant but they vary. Widely. There's a lot of third party code for stuff I couldn't be bothered to write on my own. Think table parsing (from MediaWiki), the diff renderer (phpWiki), TinyMCE, jQuery, and countless others. All of the third party code is documented (with copies of licenses) in a cute little HTML document, but there's a shit ton of it, under licenses ranging from Creative Commons to *GPL to BSD/MIT to PHP.</p><p>The main challenge with packaging is the fact that it needs a MySQL or PostgreSQL database to run (the project itself is written in PHP). It's hard to get that kind of thing working under the environment of a package manager.</p><p>Another wrench in the gears is the PHP/MySQL element. There are so many CMSes out there for the LAMP platform, and while I'd like to think mine is quite distinct in its feature set and design, the sheer number of projects you see out there makes it a difficult place to get your foot in the door when everyone is already on Joomla, Drupal and WordPress. Speaking of which, there's hardly a blog plugin and no forum plugin, mainly because I spend too much time working on the core to be bothered with plugins. There's another infinite loop: no plugins = no users; no users = no developer community; no developer community = no plugins. Thankfully, someone who joined IRC a few weeks ago has worked on the badly out-of-date blog plugin and brought it up to speed in a few areas. But there are still a lot of things I have to do before it will be in a releasable state, and it's going to take a developer with a lot of balls to be the first to write and submit a plugin from scratch. When you look at the possibility of a forum plugin, you realize that it would have to be pretty full featured to survive under the heat of even low-end forum packages like phpBB. Plus, my general experiences with connectors have been pretty negative.</p><p>Thanks for the advice though - I'll be working with it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr><tt>:)</tt> </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>( Again , I 'm the OP .
Yay for keeping up with your own threads !
) If there were any info .
on what the project is and where to check it out .
( I realize a lot of people would have made snarky comments if that info had been included too .
A regular catch 22 -- but this is a great opportunity and you should post a description and link to the project in this thread. ) No .
It 'd get modded down for spam , and I would be flamed out the whazoo for slashvertising.Without any specifics I would think most answers are going to be just as generic .
Post about it in different message boards , post about it at aggregator type sites ( reddit , digg ) - use twitter , facebook or whatever else might help people find out about it.We actually have a pretty strong web presence - we 're on Twitter , FreshMeat , SourceForge , and I 've posted to sites like The Admin Zone before , asking for help with testing .
We 're actually in a late beta stage right now.Who are the intended users ?
Where would those people be that you might show up and promote your project ?
Are their user groups that might be a good place to frequent ? The project is basically a CMS that integrates a lot of the features found in a wiki , e.g .
templates , the raw power of system messages , namespaces , etc .
It also has very CMS-ey features like access control lists , a template system , a real admin panel , and module support .
I started the project hoping to provide an alternative to MediaWiki - and it uses MediaWiki 's formatting language - but since I started it , it 's gone way off on its own path as my own need for features increased .
In a way , it 's a CMS I built to meet my own needs , but written in a portable fashion enough that anyone should be able to use it .
This has made it rough around the edges in some places ( e.g. , the GUI editor gets very little love , and there 's no toolbar making it easy to insert any type of formatting ) .
But overall the interface is pretty polished and smooth , and there are hooks nearly everywhere for plugins.Would a publication/site that deals with FOSS or whatever problem your project solves be interested in doing a write-up ?
Will they accept one from someone on the project or one of the users ? I 'll definitely talk to the other member of the project , who takes care of our marketing and packaging , about finding a site or two that would be willing to do this .
You 've got a point , we have n't been great at doing this , but the few times we have tried and persisted ( e.g .
BitNami ) it has worked.If it runs on Linux is it available through the package management systems of the major distros ? We 've tried .
Fedora bitched at us for not splitting off trivial components like jQuery , TinyMCE and Text \ _Wiki into extra packages .
I responded by reminding them that we had to fork a small part of TinyMCE ( we modified the gzip script to use the project 's central cache directory ) , jQuery is only one file , and we forked the shit out of Text \ _Wiki after it got abandoned by the original developer , finally just replacing it with our own parsing engine .
Perhaps the aforementioned co-manager can get it in the repos now that the most glaring problem - Text \ _Wiki - is taken care of.Debian... well , all the licenses we use are DFSG compliant but they vary .
Widely. There 's a lot of third party code for stuff I could n't be bothered to write on my own .
Think table parsing ( from MediaWiki ) , the diff renderer ( phpWiki ) , TinyMCE , jQuery , and countless others .
All of the third party code is documented ( with copies of licenses ) in a cute little HTML document , but there 's a shit ton of it , under licenses ranging from Creative Commons to * GPL to BSD/MIT to PHP.The main challenge with packaging is the fact that it needs a MySQL or PostgreSQL database to run ( the project itself is written in PHP ) .
It 's hard to get that kind of thing working under the environment of a package manager.Another wrench in the gears is the PHP/MySQL element .
There are so many CMSes out there for the LAMP platform , and while I 'd like to think mine is quite distinct in its feature set and design , the sheer number of projects you see out there makes it a difficult place to get your foot in the door when everyone is already on Joomla , Drupal and WordPress .
Speaking of which , there 's hardly a blog plugin and no forum plugin , mainly because I spend too much time working on the core to be bothered with plugins .
There 's another infinite loop : no plugins = no users ; no users = no developer community ; no developer community = no plugins .
Thankfully , someone who joined IRC a few weeks ago has worked on the badly out-of-date blog plugin and brought it up to speed in a few areas .
But there are still a lot of things I have to do before it will be in a releasable state , and it 's going to take a developer with a lot of balls to be the first to write and submit a plugin from scratch .
When you look at the possibility of a forum plugin , you realize that it would have to be pretty full featured to survive under the heat of even low-end forum packages like phpBB .
Plus , my general experiences with connectors have been pretty negative.Thanks for the advice though - I 'll be working with it .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(Again, I'm the OP.
Yay for keeping up with your own threads!
)If there were any info.
on what the project is and where to check it out.
(I realize a lot of people would have made snarky comments if that info had been included too.
A regular catch 22 -- but this is a great opportunity and you should post a description and link to the project in this thread.)No.
It'd get modded down for spam, and I would be flamed out the whazoo for slashvertising.Without any specifics I would think most answers are going to be just as generic.
Post about it in different message boards, post about it at aggregator type sites (reddit, digg) - use twitter, facebook or whatever else might help people find out about it.We actually have a pretty strong web presence - we're on Twitter, FreshMeat, SourceForge, and I've posted to sites like The Admin Zone before, asking for help with testing.
We're actually in a late beta stage right now.Who are the intended users?
Where would those people be that you might show up and promote your project?
Are their user groups that might be a good place to frequent?The project is basically a CMS that integrates a lot of the features found in a wiki, e.g.
templates, the raw power of system messages, namespaces, etc.
It also has very CMS-ey features like access control lists, a template system, a real admin panel, and module support.
I started the project hoping to provide an alternative to MediaWiki - and it uses MediaWiki's formatting language - but since I started it, it's gone way off on its own path as my own need for features increased.
In a way, it's a CMS I built to meet my own needs, but written in a portable fashion enough that anyone should be able to use it.
This has made it rough around the edges in some places (e.g., the GUI editor gets very little love, and there's no toolbar making it easy to insert any type of formatting).
But overall the interface is pretty polished and smooth, and there are hooks nearly everywhere for plugins.Would a publication/site that deals with FOSS or whatever problem your project solves be interested in doing a write-up?
Will they accept one from someone on the project or one of the users?I'll definitely talk to the other member of the project, who takes care of our marketing and packaging, about finding a site or two that would be willing to do this.
You've got a point, we haven't been great at doing this, but the few times we have tried and persisted (e.g.
BitNami) it has worked.If it runs on Linux is it available through the package management systems of the major distros?We've tried.
Fedora bitched at us for not splitting off trivial components like jQuery, TinyMCE and Text\_Wiki into extra packages.
I responded by reminding them that we had to fork a small part of TinyMCE (we modified the gzip script to use the project's central cache directory), jQuery is only one file, and we forked the shit out of Text\_Wiki after it got abandoned by the original developer, finally just replacing it with our own parsing engine.
Perhaps the aforementioned co-manager can get it in the repos now that the most glaring problem - Text\_Wiki - is taken care of.Debian... well, all the licenses we use are DFSG compliant but they vary.
Widely. There's a lot of third party code for stuff I couldn't be bothered to write on my own.
Think table parsing (from MediaWiki), the diff renderer (phpWiki), TinyMCE, jQuery, and countless others.
All of the third party code is documented (with copies of licenses) in a cute little HTML document, but there's a shit ton of it, under licenses ranging from Creative Commons to *GPL to BSD/MIT to PHP.The main challenge with packaging is the fact that it needs a MySQL or PostgreSQL database to run (the project itself is written in PHP).
It's hard to get that kind of thing working under the environment of a package manager.Another wrench in the gears is the PHP/MySQL element.
There are so many CMSes out there for the LAMP platform, and while I'd like to think mine is quite distinct in its feature set and design, the sheer number of projects you see out there makes it a difficult place to get your foot in the door when everyone is already on Joomla, Drupal and WordPress.
Speaking of which, there's hardly a blog plugin and no forum plugin, mainly because I spend too much time working on the core to be bothered with plugins.
There's another infinite loop: no plugins = no users; no users = no developer community; no developer community = no plugins.
Thankfully, someone who joined IRC a few weeks ago has worked on the badly out-of-date blog plugin and brought it up to speed in a few areas.
But there are still a lot of things I have to do before it will be in a releasable state, and it's going to take a developer with a lot of balls to be the first to write and submit a plugin from scratch.
When you look at the possibility of a forum plugin, you realize that it would have to be pretty full featured to survive under the heat of even low-end forum packages like phpBB.
Plus, my general experiences with connectors have been pretty negative.Thanks for the advice though - I'll be working with it.
:) 
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30930022</id>
	<title>build it and they will come ...</title>
	<author>Lazy Jones</author>
	<datestamp>1264618140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... seriously, if it lacks users, it isn't good/useful enough. Deserved visibility is so much easier to get nowdays, but not every project is a winner. "without community, users aren't coming" isn't really true, unless perhaps it's some sort of infrastructure project like an online store or forums software where you can expect users to have lots of questions/feedback and no visible community will make them assume noone found it good enough to bother with asking questions. In that case it'd better be able to replace some established software and you could try getting someone with enough visibility to switch to your software.
<br> <br>
But, there's no good alternative to sitting down and working on your project, don't wait for users/community/whatever if you think it's going to be a success.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... seriously , if it lacks users , it is n't good/useful enough .
Deserved visibility is so much easier to get nowdays , but not every project is a winner .
" without community , users are n't coming " is n't really true , unless perhaps it 's some sort of infrastructure project like an online store or forums software where you can expect users to have lots of questions/feedback and no visible community will make them assume noone found it good enough to bother with asking questions .
In that case it 'd better be able to replace some established software and you could try getting someone with enough visibility to switch to your software .
But , there 's no good alternative to sitting down and working on your project , do n't wait for users/community/whatever if you think it 's going to be a success .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... seriously, if it lacks users, it isn't good/useful enough.
Deserved visibility is so much easier to get nowdays, but not every project is a winner.
"without community, users aren't coming" isn't really true, unless perhaps it's some sort of infrastructure project like an online store or forums software where you can expect users to have lots of questions/feedback and no visible community will make them assume noone found it good enough to bother with asking questions.
In that case it'd better be able to replace some established software and you could try getting someone with enough visibility to switch to your software.
But, there's no good alternative to sitting down and working on your project, don't wait for users/community/whatever if you think it's going to be a success.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927148</id>
	<title>Make them want to use your project</title>
	<author>AlXtreme</author>
	<datestamp>1264594800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>By now it's got a promising feature set, but very few users and virtually no community around it. The problem is that people I have asked to try it refuse to do so because it doesn't have a thriving community.</p></div></blockquote><p>Your project will have to stand on its own merits then and you will have to be focal about what those merits are. Hold talks at conferences, mention it to your friends, keep an updated blog, use FLOSS-distribution sites like freshmeat. If people are interested you will hear from them.</p><p>If that doesn't help and you are sure your project is worthwhile you should investigate in your competition, take a good unbiased look. If there are a couple of large projects with large communities that accomplish something similar make sure you differentiate yourself from them. What makes your project unique and better than the rest? Perhaps those projects have something your project doesn't. A large community may be a plus but it isn't the only reason why users pick a certain project.</p><p>If you can't make your project grow, relax and don't force the issue. If your project is truly worthwhile people will find it and the ones using your project will spread the word. If it doesn't gain popularity you can at least enjoy working on it and take pride in what you accomplish: the FLOSS community isn't a popularity-contest and there is no free car waiting for the one project that trumps the rest.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>By now it 's got a promising feature set , but very few users and virtually no community around it .
The problem is that people I have asked to try it refuse to do so because it does n't have a thriving community.Your project will have to stand on its own merits then and you will have to be focal about what those merits are .
Hold talks at conferences , mention it to your friends , keep an updated blog , use FLOSS-distribution sites like freshmeat .
If people are interested you will hear from them.If that does n't help and you are sure your project is worthwhile you should investigate in your competition , take a good unbiased look .
If there are a couple of large projects with large communities that accomplish something similar make sure you differentiate yourself from them .
What makes your project unique and better than the rest ?
Perhaps those projects have something your project does n't .
A large community may be a plus but it is n't the only reason why users pick a certain project.If you ca n't make your project grow , relax and do n't force the issue .
If your project is truly worthwhile people will find it and the ones using your project will spread the word .
If it does n't gain popularity you can at least enjoy working on it and take pride in what you accomplish : the FLOSS community is n't a popularity-contest and there is no free car waiting for the one project that trumps the rest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By now it's got a promising feature set, but very few users and virtually no community around it.
The problem is that people I have asked to try it refuse to do so because it doesn't have a thriving community.Your project will have to stand on its own merits then and you will have to be focal about what those merits are.
Hold talks at conferences, mention it to your friends, keep an updated blog, use FLOSS-distribution sites like freshmeat.
If people are interested you will hear from them.If that doesn't help and you are sure your project is worthwhile you should investigate in your competition, take a good unbiased look.
If there are a couple of large projects with large communities that accomplish something similar make sure you differentiate yourself from them.
What makes your project unique and better than the rest?
Perhaps those projects have something your project doesn't.
A large community may be a plus but it isn't the only reason why users pick a certain project.If you can't make your project grow, relax and don't force the issue.
If your project is truly worthwhile people will find it and the ones using your project will spread the word.
If it doesn't gain popularity you can at least enjoy working on it and take pride in what you accomplish: the FLOSS community isn't a popularity-contest and there is no free car waiting for the one project that trumps the rest.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926908</id>
	<title>Just time...</title>
	<author>ZDRuX</author>
	<datestamp>1264593840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Like some have already said, time is your only enemy. Websites that need numbers to thrive take time. It is like a snow-ball effect, at first you'll have only 4-5 people (probably your friends), but that friend will tell the next person, and you'll be up to 10 users, and so on and so forth. Eventually it'll grow on its own without any need for intervention from your side.<br> <br>

My bittorrent tracker took probably 6 months before it started taking off thanks to word of mouth. Now maxed out at 8,000 users and that's only because of server limitations. Perseverence and waiting is your only choice at this point.<br> <br>

And remember, your only chance of making it ahead of others is offering something that nobody does, so ask yourself what *new* are you bringing to the playing field? If the answer is "not much" then I'm afraid you'll have a tough time.<br> <br>

And like others said, you failed to list your website, which was a big mistake - don't worry about looking like you're trying to use<nobr> <wbr></nobr>./ as a way to promote, it's obvious you are - so USE IT!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Like some have already said , time is your only enemy .
Websites that need numbers to thrive take time .
It is like a snow-ball effect , at first you 'll have only 4-5 people ( probably your friends ) , but that friend will tell the next person , and you 'll be up to 10 users , and so on and so forth .
Eventually it 'll grow on its own without any need for intervention from your side .
My bittorrent tracker took probably 6 months before it started taking off thanks to word of mouth .
Now maxed out at 8,000 users and that 's only because of server limitations .
Perseverence and waiting is your only choice at this point .
And remember , your only chance of making it ahead of others is offering something that nobody does , so ask yourself what * new * are you bringing to the playing field ?
If the answer is " not much " then I 'm afraid you 'll have a tough time .
And like others said , you failed to list your website , which was a big mistake - do n't worry about looking like you 're trying to use ./ as a way to promote , it 's obvious you are - so USE IT !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like some have already said, time is your only enemy.
Websites that need numbers to thrive take time.
It is like a snow-ball effect, at first you'll have only 4-5 people (probably your friends), but that friend will tell the next person, and you'll be up to 10 users, and so on and so forth.
Eventually it'll grow on its own without any need for intervention from your side.
My bittorrent tracker took probably 6 months before it started taking off thanks to word of mouth.
Now maxed out at 8,000 users and that's only because of server limitations.
Perseverence and waiting is your only choice at this point.
And remember, your only chance of making it ahead of others is offering something that nobody does, so ask yourself what *new* are you bringing to the playing field?
If the answer is "not much" then I'm afraid you'll have a tough time.
And like others said, you failed to list your website, which was a big mistake - don't worry about looking like you're trying to use ./ as a way to promote, it's obvious you are - so USE IT!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926510</id>
	<title>Easy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264592580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) Post a message to slashdot<br>2) ????<br>3) Profit</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) Post a message to slashdot2 ) ? ? ?
? 3 ) Profit</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) Post a message to slashdot2) ???
?3) Profit</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30930328</id>
	<title>And your project is ...?</title>
	<author>mattr</author>
	<datestamp>1264622280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just tell us the name already!</p><p>Make a website that is clean and understandable.<br>If the project is mature then it should be usable in the real world. Get it used.<br>Make articles in newspapers. Get interview with client if they agree.<br>Put client names on homepage if they agree.<br>Contact blogs etc. about it and post it also on sites like freshmeat, etc.<br>Respond lightning fast to queries and monitor online media.<br>Write a column or blog describing what you do and new plugins etc. If it is useful people who already trust open source will try it.<br>If it is too complex a system maybe that is a problem too. Simple things that are easy to understand tend to get sold quickly.<br>Personally I'd be worried about trusting a system written by a tiny team with no real world clients, except as a hobby.<br>Maybe you want to tell Wikipedia to update their page to include you in a category list too.<br>Make sure all references link to your site. This will raise your google ranking.<br>Talk to schools or potential customers and actually install and support it. This is your living right?<br>Finally, tell us what the project is in the comments here. Yeesh!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just tell us the name already ! Make a website that is clean and understandable.If the project is mature then it should be usable in the real world .
Get it used.Make articles in newspapers .
Get interview with client if they agree.Put client names on homepage if they agree.Contact blogs etc .
about it and post it also on sites like freshmeat , etc.Respond lightning fast to queries and monitor online media.Write a column or blog describing what you do and new plugins etc .
If it is useful people who already trust open source will try it.If it is too complex a system maybe that is a problem too .
Simple things that are easy to understand tend to get sold quickly.Personally I 'd be worried about trusting a system written by a tiny team with no real world clients , except as a hobby.Maybe you want to tell Wikipedia to update their page to include you in a category list too.Make sure all references link to your site .
This will raise your google ranking.Talk to schools or potential customers and actually install and support it .
This is your living right ? Finally , tell us what the project is in the comments here .
Yeesh !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just tell us the name already!Make a website that is clean and understandable.If the project is mature then it should be usable in the real world.
Get it used.Make articles in newspapers.
Get interview with client if they agree.Put client names on homepage if they agree.Contact blogs etc.
about it and post it also on sites like freshmeat, etc.Respond lightning fast to queries and monitor online media.Write a column or blog describing what you do and new plugins etc.
If it is useful people who already trust open source will try it.If it is too complex a system maybe that is a problem too.
Simple things that are easy to understand tend to get sold quickly.Personally I'd be worried about trusting a system written by a tiny team with no real world clients, except as a hobby.Maybe you want to tell Wikipedia to update their page to include you in a category list too.Make sure all references link to your site.
This will raise your google ranking.Talk to schools or potential customers and actually install and support it.
This is your living right?Finally, tell us what the project is in the comments here.
Yeesh!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30928340</id>
	<title>Re:freshmeat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264601580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(I'm the OP)</p><p>It's already on FM - the person that started the project with me submitted it around April 2009 - and even on BitNami. But the main website still sees very few hits (~50-60 a day), and more importantly, very few support topics/IRC users/results when you Google "Powered by [project name]" which is a footer link in all the sites that run it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( I 'm the OP ) It 's already on FM - the person that started the project with me submitted it around April 2009 - and even on BitNami .
But the main website still sees very few hits ( ~ 50-60 a day ) , and more importantly , very few support topics/IRC users/results when you Google " Powered by [ project name ] " which is a footer link in all the sites that run it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(I'm the OP)It's already on FM - the person that started the project with me submitted it around April 2009 - and even on BitNami.
But the main website still sees very few hits (~50-60 a day), and more importantly, very few support topics/IRC users/results when you Google "Powered by [project name]" which is a footer link in all the sites that run it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927232</id>
	<title>Re:Tell us what it's called...</title>
	<author>gknoy</author>
	<datestamp>1264595160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree. I'm curious as to what it was, but appreciated that he took the time NOT to shill for it.  The comments above about building social circles of shared interest, and of trying to cater to what users need (rather than adding features in hopes that they might attract users).  Both were great and generic advice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
I 'm curious as to what it was , but appreciated that he took the time NOT to shill for it .
The comments above about building social circles of shared interest , and of trying to cater to what users need ( rather than adding features in hopes that they might attract users ) .
Both were great and generic advice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
I'm curious as to what it was, but appreciated that he took the time NOT to shill for it.
The comments above about building social circles of shared interest, and of trying to cater to what users need (rather than adding features in hopes that they might attract users).
Both were great and generic advice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926992</id>
	<title>Make it good</title>
	<author>kikito</author>
	<datestamp>1264594140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's the best thing you can do. Make it ROCK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the best thing you can do .
Make it ROCK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the best thing you can do.
Make it ROCK.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30931886</id>
	<title>Write an article</title>
	<author>aaronbartell</author>
	<datestamp>1264685460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>One of the best ways I have found to get the word out about a free piece of software is to write an article about it.  For example, I released a tool called RPGUI in December and I just got done having the second article about it published in IBMSystemsMag.com.  You can learn more about the project here: <a href="http://mowyourlawn.com/rpgui.html" title="mowyourlawn.com" rel="nofollow">http://mowyourlawn.com/rpgui.html</a> [mowyourlawn.com]

Another benefit to writing an article is that is causes you the software author to go through motions of what a typical user would be confronted with as far as implementing your software.  This helps to work out a lot of kinks.

HTH,
aaronbartell.com</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the best ways I have found to get the word out about a free piece of software is to write an article about it .
For example , I released a tool called RPGUI in December and I just got done having the second article about it published in IBMSystemsMag.com .
You can learn more about the project here : http : //mowyourlawn.com/rpgui.html [ mowyourlawn.com ] Another benefit to writing an article is that is causes you the software author to go through motions of what a typical user would be confronted with as far as implementing your software .
This helps to work out a lot of kinks .
HTH , aaronbartell.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the best ways I have found to get the word out about a free piece of software is to write an article about it.
For example, I released a tool called RPGUI in December and I just got done having the second article about it published in IBMSystemsMag.com.
You can learn more about the project here: http://mowyourlawn.com/rpgui.html [mowyourlawn.com]

Another benefit to writing an article is that is causes you the software author to go through motions of what a typical user would be confronted with as far as implementing your software.
This helps to work out a lot of kinks.
HTH,
aaronbartell.com</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30931286</id>
	<title>Re:It's simple</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264677240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>very nice said. good point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>very nice said .
good point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>very nice said.
good point.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927902</id>
	<title>Whatever Works</title>
	<author>mindbrane</author>
	<datestamp>1264598940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Make sure you've covered all the conventional bases, keep them up to date while swapping in and our aspects of your presentation and presence watching to see if something shows some pop. If you're not big on or strong in variations on themes and like to stick with "just the facts, mam" then fine but keep the facts current and accessible. You've already started on the second tier which is to ask for help from people and forums generally, the more especially where people might be sympathetic and may even participate and spread the word. Take every good idea in this thread and try it out while trying while not being pointedly intrusive in only tangentially related venues. Lastly persevere and try always to capitalise on the convergence of any two or more means of growth and exposure that compliment, or, even conflict with one another because when you do so and make others aware of convergence or conflict you're being open and informative rather than simply self promoting. And if someone "big" and "important" expresses an interest indirectly in something your product can really deliver on don't be afraid to approach them directly and confidently, just don't intrude and start bull shitting. above works for about anything, well works for me anyway. goodluck  and never underestimate good timing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Make sure you 've covered all the conventional bases , keep them up to date while swapping in and our aspects of your presentation and presence watching to see if something shows some pop .
If you 're not big on or strong in variations on themes and like to stick with " just the facts , mam " then fine but keep the facts current and accessible .
You 've already started on the second tier which is to ask for help from people and forums generally , the more especially where people might be sympathetic and may even participate and spread the word .
Take every good idea in this thread and try it out while trying while not being pointedly intrusive in only tangentially related venues .
Lastly persevere and try always to capitalise on the convergence of any two or more means of growth and exposure that compliment , or , even conflict with one another because when you do so and make others aware of convergence or conflict you 're being open and informative rather than simply self promoting .
And if someone " big " and " important " expresses an interest indirectly in something your product can really deliver on do n't be afraid to approach them directly and confidently , just do n't intrude and start bull shitting .
above works for about anything , well works for me anyway .
goodluck and never underestimate good timing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make sure you've covered all the conventional bases, keep them up to date while swapping in and our aspects of your presentation and presence watching to see if something shows some pop.
If you're not big on or strong in variations on themes and like to stick with "just the facts, mam" then fine but keep the facts current and accessible.
You've already started on the second tier which is to ask for help from people and forums generally, the more especially where people might be sympathetic and may even participate and spread the word.
Take every good idea in this thread and try it out while trying while not being pointedly intrusive in only tangentially related venues.
Lastly persevere and try always to capitalise on the convergence of any two or more means of growth and exposure that compliment, or, even conflict with one another because when you do so and make others aware of convergence or conflict you're being open and informative rather than simply self promoting.
And if someone "big" and "important" expresses an interest indirectly in something your product can really deliver on don't be afraid to approach them directly and confidently, just don't intrude and start bull shitting.
above works for about anything, well works for me anyway.
goodluck  and never underestimate good timing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927794</id>
	<title>Re:Heh.</title>
	<author>martin-boundary</author>
	<datestamp>1264598220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's a slashdot conspiracy! It's like there's two teams, an offensive team and a defensive team, and whenever one of them stays quiet, the other one takes over.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a slashdot conspiracy !
It 's like there 's two teams , an offensive team and a defensive team , and whenever one of them stays quiet , the other one takes over .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a slashdot conspiracy!
It's like there's two teams, an offensive team and a defensive team, and whenever one of them stays quiet, the other one takes over.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927032</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927628</id>
	<title>The real reason people aren't using it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264597320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, the real reason those people don't use your software is because it's shit.  If it was worth anything, it'd be used.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the real reason those people do n't use your software is because it 's shit .
If it was worth anything , it 'd be used .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the real reason those people don't use your software is because it's shit.
If it was worth anything, it'd be used.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30928180</id>
	<title>You've got to please yourself</title>
	<author>vtcodger</author>
	<datestamp>1264600560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look, you aren't doing this for us, you're doing it for you.  If you are doing a craftsmanlike job that's not a put down.  Write software that pleases you.  Make it available to others.  If they could benefit from it and choose not to, that's not your problem.</p><p>"But it's all right now, I've learned my lesson well<br>
&nbsp; You see, you can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself"</p><p>Ricky Nelson, Garden Party 1972</p><p>That said, a brief statement of what the software does and a link to the project home page would not have been out of place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , you are n't doing this for us , you 're doing it for you .
If you are doing a craftsmanlike job that 's not a put down .
Write software that pleases you .
Make it available to others .
If they could benefit from it and choose not to , that 's not your problem .
" But it 's all right now , I 've learned my lesson well   You see , you ca n't please everyone , so you 've got to please yourself " Ricky Nelson , Garden Party 1972That said , a brief statement of what the software does and a link to the project home page would not have been out of place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, you aren't doing this for us, you're doing it for you.
If you are doing a craftsmanlike job that's not a put down.
Write software that pleases you.
Make it available to others.
If they could benefit from it and choose not to, that's not your problem.
"But it's all right now, I've learned my lesson well
  You see, you can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself"Ricky Nelson, Garden Party 1972That said, a brief statement of what the software does and a link to the project home page would not have been out of place.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927058</id>
	<title>Slashdot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264594440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you tried plugging it in a Slashdot story?</p><p>Seriously, what is it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you tried plugging it in a Slashdot story ? Seriously , what is it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you tried plugging it in a Slashdot story?Seriously, what is it?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30930462</id>
	<title>Focus on a narrow audience at first</title>
	<author>poxd</author>
	<datestamp>1264710420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I did not take a look at your app but IMO the 1st thing is having outstanding feature(s) that solve a concern encountered by people you know. Tell them you made an app that could interest them and then those ones will be able to give feedback. Listen carefully and try to attract them to your product... It may then be a snowball.

Secondly, a website is a must have today. Show concisely your product, we must at first sight know what can offer your product. Make a beautiful website, an attractive one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I did not take a look at your app but IMO the 1st thing is having outstanding feature ( s ) that solve a concern encountered by people you know .
Tell them you made an app that could interest them and then those ones will be able to give feedback .
Listen carefully and try to attract them to your product... It may then be a snowball .
Secondly , a website is a must have today .
Show concisely your product , we must at first sight know what can offer your product .
Make a beautiful website , an attractive one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did not take a look at your app but IMO the 1st thing is having outstanding feature(s) that solve a concern encountered by people you know.
Tell them you made an app that could interest them and then those ones will be able to give feedback.
Listen carefully and try to attract them to your product... It may then be a snowball.
Secondly, a website is a must have today.
Show concisely your product, we must at first sight know what can offer your product.
Make a beautiful website, an attractive one.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30959584</id>
	<title>freshmeat.net</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264788720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a good place to put it, lots of news places have a running list of project updates from freshmeat (like slashdot)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a good place to put it , lots of news places have a running list of project updates from freshmeat ( like slashdot )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a good place to put it, lots of news places have a running list of project updates from freshmeat (like slashdot)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926598</id>
	<title>Put an Apple on it</title>
	<author>macintard</author>
	<datestamp>1264592820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You'll have people lining up overnight regardless of substance.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'll have people lining up overnight regardless of substance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'll have people lining up overnight regardless of substance.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30928024</id>
	<title>Re:Tell us what it's called...</title>
	<author>Dahamma</author>
	<datestamp>1264599720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He's doing it perfectly if he wants to continue in obscurity.</p><p>I'm not in marketing, but even I have learned in my career that the overused adage "there's no such thing as bad publicity" is almost always true.</p><p>To be topical, look at the Apple announcement today.  The product they announced was basically a larger version of something they have been selling for 3 years, and yet through absurd "shilling" they have already managed to convince a large segment of the population it's a heretofore unknown tablet created by a supernatural power and discovered by Moses in the desert.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's doing it perfectly if he wants to continue in obscurity.I 'm not in marketing , but even I have learned in my career that the overused adage " there 's no such thing as bad publicity " is almost always true.To be topical , look at the Apple announcement today .
The product they announced was basically a larger version of something they have been selling for 3 years , and yet through absurd " shilling " they have already managed to convince a large segment of the population it 's a heretofore unknown tablet created by a supernatural power and discovered by Moses in the desert .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's doing it perfectly if he wants to continue in obscurity.I'm not in marketing, but even I have learned in my career that the overused adage "there's no such thing as bad publicity" is almost always true.To be topical, look at the Apple announcement today.
The product they announced was basically a larger version of something they have been selling for 3 years, and yet through absurd "shilling" they have already managed to convince a large segment of the population it's a heretofore unknown tablet created by a supernatural power and discovered by Moses in the desert.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926774</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30928582</id>
	<title>Google!</title>
	<author>MMC Monster</author>
	<datestamp>1264603680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Surprised no one mentioned this:</p><p>Make sure your web site has a very good description of the application.  If it does things similar to other apps, mention the apps, and the similarities and differences.</p><p>Then wait.  Eventually, google will index your page, and you'll start showing up in search results.  Eventually your page views and user base will increase.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Surprised no one mentioned this : Make sure your web site has a very good description of the application .
If it does things similar to other apps , mention the apps , and the similarities and differences.Then wait .
Eventually , google will index your page , and you 'll start showing up in search results .
Eventually your page views and user base will increase .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surprised no one mentioned this:Make sure your web site has a very good description of the application.
If it does things similar to other apps, mention the apps, and the similarities and differences.Then wait.
Eventually, google will index your page, and you'll start showing up in search results.
Eventually your page views and user base will increase.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30931252</id>
	<title>Re:Or ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264676820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>haha Hans!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>haha Hans !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>haha Hans!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30928794</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926452</id>
	<title>It's simple</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1264592460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ignoring asking about it on the Ask Slashdot section (which you intelligently avoided);</p><p>Get friendlier with the people that are interested in the project. Not just answering their questions, but actually become a friend with them. Then ask them to do the same to other people. And get friendlier with many of them. It works in real life circles and it works in computer circles - some people are just going to lose interest no matter what you do, so you're better of getting to know as many people as you know (as you're better of getting to know as many girls as possible)</p><p>Spreading word about FOSS project is actually no different than what it is in the real world. Charisma, getting people to work with you and having a reason to do so. We would all like everything to be just on mere technical terms, but it really isn't so. Learning to interact with people the best way goes a long way - in business world, in FOSS world, with girls.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ignoring asking about it on the Ask Slashdot section ( which you intelligently avoided ) ; Get friendlier with the people that are interested in the project .
Not just answering their questions , but actually become a friend with them .
Then ask them to do the same to other people .
And get friendlier with many of them .
It works in real life circles and it works in computer circles - some people are just going to lose interest no matter what you do , so you 're better of getting to know as many people as you know ( as you 're better of getting to know as many girls as possible ) Spreading word about FOSS project is actually no different than what it is in the real world .
Charisma , getting people to work with you and having a reason to do so .
We would all like everything to be just on mere technical terms , but it really is n't so .
Learning to interact with people the best way goes a long way - in business world , in FOSS world , with girls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ignoring asking about it on the Ask Slashdot section (which you intelligently avoided);Get friendlier with the people that are interested in the project.
Not just answering their questions, but actually become a friend with them.
Then ask them to do the same to other people.
And get friendlier with many of them.
It works in real life circles and it works in computer circles - some people are just going to lose interest no matter what you do, so you're better of getting to know as many people as you know (as you're better of getting to know as many girls as possible)Spreading word about FOSS project is actually no different than what it is in the real world.
Charisma, getting people to work with you and having a reason to do so.
We would all like everything to be just on mere technical terms, but it really isn't so.
Learning to interact with people the best way goes a long way - in business world, in FOSS world, with girls.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30931938</id>
	<title>Re:Tell us what it's called...</title>
	<author>tehcyder</author>
	<datestamp>1264686060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> If slashdot was doing front page adverts for every tiny FOSS project, we'd never hear any real news.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Like what colour rollneck Steve Jobs was wearing this morning?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If slashdot was doing front page adverts for every tiny FOSS project , we 'd never hear any real news .
Like what colour rollneck Steve Jobs was wearing this morning ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> If slashdot was doing front page adverts for every tiny FOSS project, we'd never hear any real news.
Like what colour rollneck Steve Jobs was wearing this morning?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926760</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30929190</id>
	<title>8. Magic Steps</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1264609140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Put it on Sourceforge<br>2. Give it a good intro description<br>3. Plenty of screen-shots<br>4. Good documentation<br>5. Plenty of examples, both very simple and semi-fancy<br>6. Make it easy to install<br>7. Make sure it doesn't suck<br>8. Read and respond to feedback</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Put it on Sourceforge2 .
Give it a good intro description3 .
Plenty of screen-shots4 .
Good documentation5 .
Plenty of examples , both very simple and semi-fancy6 .
Make it easy to install7 .
Make sure it does n't suck8 .
Read and respond to feedback</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Put it on Sourceforge2.
Give it a good intro description3.
Plenty of screen-shots4.
Good documentation5.
Plenty of examples, both very simple and semi-fancy6.
Make it easy to install7.
Make sure it doesn't suck8.
Read and respond to feedback</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30931960</id>
	<title>Re:It's simple</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264686360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and crabs</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and crabs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and crabs</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927280</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927846</id>
	<title>Why hasn't another FOSS project hijacked this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264598640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since this was posted as anonymous, it seems to me like anyone could say that this referred to their project...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since this was posted as anonymous , it seems to me like anyone could say that this referred to their project.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since this was posted as anonymous, it seems to me like anyone could say that this referred to their project...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30932700</id>
	<title>Read The Art of Community by Jono Bacon</title>
	<author>dr\_dex</author>
	<datestamp>1264691340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, just read <a href="http://www.artofcommunityonline.org/" title="artofcommunityonline.org" rel="nofollow">The Art of Community</a> [artofcommunityonline.org] by Jono Bacon and try your best.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , just read The Art of Community [ artofcommunityonline.org ] by Jono Bacon and try your best .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, just read The Art of Community [artofcommunityonline.org] by Jono Bacon and try your best.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927392</id>
	<title>subject</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264596060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>adding to the above good advices, include a link to your project's website in your forum signatures. wording and info about what it links to should ideally be as concise and short as possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>adding to the above good advices , include a link to your project 's website in your forum signatures .
wording and info about what it links to should ideally be as concise and short as possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>adding to the above good advices, include a link to your project's website in your forum signatures.
wording and info about what it links to should ideally be as concise and short as possible.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927450</id>
	<title>Is it actually a good project?</title>
	<author>Americano</author>
	<datestamp>1264596420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you sure a "promising feature set" translates to "solves a problem people actually have"?  Or is your software a solution in search of a problem?</p><p>I would think that if you have a compelling solution to a real problem, you would be able to attract some new users and grow that community.  If somebody else is already solving your problem successfully, think long and hard about whether or not your approach is different enough to warrant a new solution;  if it is different enough, make your case to that software's community and see if any like-minded people are inclined to join your team.  If it is not, then throw your weight behind the existing solution and help make that existing solution better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you sure a " promising feature set " translates to " solves a problem people actually have " ?
Or is your software a solution in search of a problem ? I would think that if you have a compelling solution to a real problem , you would be able to attract some new users and grow that community .
If somebody else is already solving your problem successfully , think long and hard about whether or not your approach is different enough to warrant a new solution ; if it is different enough , make your case to that software 's community and see if any like-minded people are inclined to join your team .
If it is not , then throw your weight behind the existing solution and help make that existing solution better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you sure a "promising feature set" translates to "solves a problem people actually have"?
Or is your software a solution in search of a problem?I would think that if you have a compelling solution to a real problem, you would be able to attract some new users and grow that community.
If somebody else is already solving your problem successfully, think long and hard about whether or not your approach is different enough to warrant a new solution;  if it is different enough, make your case to that software's community and see if any like-minded people are inclined to join your team.
If it is not, then throw your weight behind the existing solution and help make that existing solution better.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927136</id>
	<title>call me crazy, but...</title>
	<author>foreboy</author>
	<datestamp>1264594740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When you get an opportunity to publicize it, try telling us what it does!  Seems like that would be the best first step.

FOSS is Darwin - you have to be confident that you are solving a problem, or at least solving it better than its been solved before.  If you have, you'll be able tto defend against the inevitable cynicism.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When you get an opportunity to publicize it , try telling us what it does !
Seems like that would be the best first step .
FOSS is Darwin - you have to be confident that you are solving a problem , or at least solving it better than its been solved before .
If you have , you 'll be able tto defend against the inevitable cynicism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you get an opportunity to publicize it, try telling us what it does!
Seems like that would be the best first step.
FOSS is Darwin - you have to be confident that you are solving a problem, or at least solving it better than its been solved before.
If you have, you'll be able tto defend against the inevitable cynicism.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30928466</id>
	<title>How to spread the word</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264602720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just do like the jehova's vitness</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just do like the jehova 's vitness</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just do like the jehova's vitness</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926540</id>
	<title>Tell us what it's called...</title>
	<author>hhappy</author>
	<datestamp>1264592640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>some of us might be interested in it.  You've just missed your best PR opportunity yet!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>some of us might be interested in it .
You 've just missed your best PR opportunity yet !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>some of us might be interested in it.
You've just missed your best PR opportunity yet!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30932416</id>
	<title>Re:Heh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264689780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its true, you just can't win on Slashdot.</p><p>Don't post a link, get flamed for it. Post a link, get flamed for it.</p><p>What a wonderful community.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its true , you just ca n't win on Slashdot.Do n't post a link , get flamed for it .
Post a link , get flamed for it.What a wonderful community .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its true, you just can't win on Slashdot.Don't post a link, get flamed for it.
Post a link, get flamed for it.What a wonderful community.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927032</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30929100</id>
	<title>Its called marketing.</title>
	<author>jellomizer</author>
	<datestamp>1264608180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The fact the product is Open Source or free will not get any thing out...</p><p>Lets figure out some things...<br>The 5C's<br>Customer or for your case you end users what is you app targeted for Corporate users or end users.<br>Company or your OSS group that has developed the software what are your values why do you want the product to grow what makes your group better then most<br>Context what itch are you trying to scratch.  Does it solve a problem<br>Collaborators who do you need to work with to make your program run.  Is it linux only or does it work on windows... Do you need 3rd party tools to run it. Do you have any people who are willing to push your product.<br>Competitors Sure you may have some cool new features but are they better then what the other Open Source tools have... Are there closed source application that do the same thing you do.   If so how do you defend against any advantages.</p><p>Next is the STP<br>Segmentation What is the product the best fit for.<br>Targeting Really push to the people the product is the best fit for. If they prefer a closed source solution or a big name you will be wasting your time.  However there are other people who want you app in the open source form.<br>Positioning make sure you make your product to really show off what it needs to do for your targeted group of people</p><p>The 4P<br>Product what is your product what does it do<br>Price Sure it is open source and it is free are you going to offer consulting or support services if so how much are you going to charge.<br>Place What will be your range you want the product to first go out<br>Promotions Well if you are going to do consulting for your product you might as well add some Linux support too.</p><p>These is Marketing 101 in a nutshell.<br>Basic marketing isn't trying to trick people into getting your product but finding where people would like your product.</p><p>Sure your product may not have a big following that is ok there are a lot of small software companies to make software to a lot of big players.  I myself when I worked as a consultant myself made software for many large companies that was custom for them even if there was Open Source alternatives I created code and documentation for them so the code is theirs and with No strings attached.</p><p>For Open Source tools the trick is to make sure that you are willing to back it up and if fail it is possible for others to pick it up.</p><p>Open Source Projects do die sometimes so do closed source product.  However there are people making closed source products and selling them.  The fact that it is open source and has a small comunity isn't an excuse.  You just need to market the product</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact the product is Open Source or free will not get any thing out...Lets figure out some things...The 5C'sCustomer or for your case you end users what is you app targeted for Corporate users or end users.Company or your OSS group that has developed the software what are your values why do you want the product to grow what makes your group better then mostContext what itch are you trying to scratch .
Does it solve a problemCollaborators who do you need to work with to make your program run .
Is it linux only or does it work on windows... Do you need 3rd party tools to run it .
Do you have any people who are willing to push your product.Competitors Sure you may have some cool new features but are they better then what the other Open Source tools have... Are there closed source application that do the same thing you do .
If so how do you defend against any advantages.Next is the STPSegmentation What is the product the best fit for.Targeting Really push to the people the product is the best fit for .
If they prefer a closed source solution or a big name you will be wasting your time .
However there are other people who want you app in the open source form.Positioning make sure you make your product to really show off what it needs to do for your targeted group of peopleThe 4PProduct what is your product what does it doPrice Sure it is open source and it is free are you going to offer consulting or support services if so how much are you going to charge.Place What will be your range you want the product to first go outPromotions Well if you are going to do consulting for your product you might as well add some Linux support too.These is Marketing 101 in a nutshell.Basic marketing is n't trying to trick people into getting your product but finding where people would like your product.Sure your product may not have a big following that is ok there are a lot of small software companies to make software to a lot of big players .
I myself when I worked as a consultant myself made software for many large companies that was custom for them even if there was Open Source alternatives I created code and documentation for them so the code is theirs and with No strings attached.For Open Source tools the trick is to make sure that you are willing to back it up and if fail it is possible for others to pick it up.Open Source Projects do die sometimes so do closed source product .
However there are people making closed source products and selling them .
The fact that it is open source and has a small comunity is n't an excuse .
You just need to market the product</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact the product is Open Source or free will not get any thing out...Lets figure out some things...The 5C'sCustomer or for your case you end users what is you app targeted for Corporate users or end users.Company or your OSS group that has developed the software what are your values why do you want the product to grow what makes your group better then mostContext what itch are you trying to scratch.
Does it solve a problemCollaborators who do you need to work with to make your program run.
Is it linux only or does it work on windows... Do you need 3rd party tools to run it.
Do you have any people who are willing to push your product.Competitors Sure you may have some cool new features but are they better then what the other Open Source tools have... Are there closed source application that do the same thing you do.
If so how do you defend against any advantages.Next is the STPSegmentation What is the product the best fit for.Targeting Really push to the people the product is the best fit for.
If they prefer a closed source solution or a big name you will be wasting your time.
However there are other people who want you app in the open source form.Positioning make sure you make your product to really show off what it needs to do for your targeted group of peopleThe 4PProduct what is your product what does it doPrice Sure it is open source and it is free are you going to offer consulting or support services if so how much are you going to charge.Place What will be your range you want the product to first go outPromotions Well if you are going to do consulting for your product you might as well add some Linux support too.These is Marketing 101 in a nutshell.Basic marketing isn't trying to trick people into getting your product but finding where people would like your product.Sure your product may not have a big following that is ok there are a lot of small software companies to make software to a lot of big players.
I myself when I worked as a consultant myself made software for many large companies that was custom for them even if there was Open Source alternatives I created code and documentation for them so the code is theirs and with No strings attached.For Open Source tools the trick is to make sure that you are willing to back it up and if fail it is possible for others to pick it up.Open Source Projects do die sometimes so do closed source product.
However there are people making closed source products and selling them.
The fact that it is open source and has a small comunity isn't an excuse.
You just need to market the product</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30931248</id>
	<title>My project seems pretty successful</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264676760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I run a small project about the age of yours, and it has a user base of several thousand users. It started out as a Linux alternative to a piece of commercial software. I believe the following has contributed to its success:<br>
<br>
- I joined the existing community forums<br>
- Made sure the software doesn't suck. I started by giving a few distinguishing features that the commercial software simply doesn't offer (data recovery, allowing the use of low cost hardware rather than $200 commercial hardware) giving it an edge over the commercial offering. Many of the distinguishing features were features *I* needed, so others likely did too.<br>
- Made sure my project was cross-platform; although I started it as a Linux project, the majority of the user base are Windows and Mac users.<br>
- I went on to make sure my software can do *everything* that the commercial software does.<br>
- I did set up a website asking for feedback, feature suggestions etc. which is a great source of inspiration for new features.<br>
-<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...and so are complaints about the commercial software.<br>
- To be fair, the commercial software is no longer being developed (but it's still being sold!), which means by now Windows 7 users are starting to have trouble running it. But in any case, I'm not dealing with a moving target.<br>
- I never worried about Google, but I did make sure to mention the link to the software on the forum if someone asked a question that the software resolved. Eventually, word of mouth got out and people outside the forum started posting the link as well.<br>
<br>
So basically, rather than building up a new community from scratch, I built on top of an existing one. It's terribly hard to sell a fax machine if nobody else has one; but if there is a community of fax machine users out there, maybe you can build better fax machines than the company that created the market.
<br> <br>
Finally, if nobody hears about your project, nobody will check it out. Why didn't you mention the name of your project or link to it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I run a small project about the age of yours , and it has a user base of several thousand users .
It started out as a Linux alternative to a piece of commercial software .
I believe the following has contributed to its success : - I joined the existing community forums - Made sure the software does n't suck .
I started by giving a few distinguishing features that the commercial software simply does n't offer ( data recovery , allowing the use of low cost hardware rather than $ 200 commercial hardware ) giving it an edge over the commercial offering .
Many of the distinguishing features were features * I * needed , so others likely did too .
- Made sure my project was cross-platform ; although I started it as a Linux project , the majority of the user base are Windows and Mac users .
- I went on to make sure my software can do * everything * that the commercial software does .
- I did set up a website asking for feedback , feature suggestions etc .
which is a great source of inspiration for new features .
- ...and so are complaints about the commercial software .
- To be fair , the commercial software is no longer being developed ( but it 's still being sold !
) , which means by now Windows 7 users are starting to have trouble running it .
But in any case , I 'm not dealing with a moving target .
- I never worried about Google , but I did make sure to mention the link to the software on the forum if someone asked a question that the software resolved .
Eventually , word of mouth got out and people outside the forum started posting the link as well .
So basically , rather than building up a new community from scratch , I built on top of an existing one .
It 's terribly hard to sell a fax machine if nobody else has one ; but if there is a community of fax machine users out there , maybe you can build better fax machines than the company that created the market .
Finally , if nobody hears about your project , nobody will check it out .
Why did n't you mention the name of your project or link to it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I run a small project about the age of yours, and it has a user base of several thousand users.
It started out as a Linux alternative to a piece of commercial software.
I believe the following has contributed to its success:

- I joined the existing community forums
- Made sure the software doesn't suck.
I started by giving a few distinguishing features that the commercial software simply doesn't offer (data recovery, allowing the use of low cost hardware rather than $200 commercial hardware) giving it an edge over the commercial offering.
Many of the distinguishing features were features *I* needed, so others likely did too.
- Made sure my project was cross-platform; although I started it as a Linux project, the majority of the user base are Windows and Mac users.
- I went on to make sure my software can do *everything* that the commercial software does.
- I did set up a website asking for feedback, feature suggestions etc.
which is a great source of inspiration for new features.
- ...and so are complaints about the commercial software.
- To be fair, the commercial software is no longer being developed (but it's still being sold!
), which means by now Windows 7 users are starting to have trouble running it.
But in any case, I'm not dealing with a moving target.
- I never worried about Google, but I did make sure to mention the link to the software on the forum if someone asked a question that the software resolved.
Eventually, word of mouth got out and people outside the forum started posting the link as well.
So basically, rather than building up a new community from scratch, I built on top of an existing one.
It's terribly hard to sell a fax machine if nobody else has one; but if there is a community of fax machine users out there, maybe you can build better fax machines than the company that created the market.
Finally, if nobody hears about your project, nobody will check it out.
Why didn't you mention the name of your project or link to it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30928766</id>
	<title>Re:freshmeat</title>
	<author>polymeris</author>
	<datestamp>1264605180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah. And AlternativeTo, <a href="http://www.ohloh.net/p/libmagt/" title="ohloh.net" rel="nofollow">ohloh</a> [ohloh.net], Linux GameTome, <a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/822819/is-there-a-code-documentor-with-wiki" title="stackoverflow.com" rel="nofollow">Stackoverflow</a> [stackoverflow.com], slashdot! It didn't help <a href="http://code.google.com/p/libmagt/" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">my project</a> [google.com], but then, it's only starting and pretty niche too.<br>If there is no relevant question on StackOverflow, make it up and answer it yourself.<br>Google for your keywords and try to plug your project anywhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah .
And AlternativeTo , ohloh [ ohloh.net ] , Linux GameTome , Stackoverflow [ stackoverflow.com ] , slashdot !
It did n't help my project [ google.com ] , but then , it 's only starting and pretty niche too.If there is no relevant question on StackOverflow , make it up and answer it yourself.Google for your keywords and try to plug your project anywhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah.
And AlternativeTo, ohloh [ohloh.net], Linux GameTome, Stackoverflow [stackoverflow.com], slashdot!
It didn't help my project [google.com], but then, it's only starting and pretty niche too.If there is no relevant question on StackOverflow, make it up and answer it yourself.Google for your keywords and try to plug your project anywhere.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30930302</id>
	<title>More devs indeed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264622160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He needs another Dev all right, they couldn't even keep the releases straight.</p><p>I installed 1.1.7 from sourceforge, and got:</p><p>Main Page<br>Thanks for helping to test Enano.</p><p>If you're reading this, you just installed the beta version of Enano 1.2.0, the next-generation release of Enano. Congratulations!</p><p>If you find any bugs, please report them on our issue tracker or in IRC. Enano's a big project, so tracking down bugs is hard and we need your help to do it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He needs another Dev all right , they could n't even keep the releases straight.I installed 1.1.7 from sourceforge , and got : Main PageThanks for helping to test Enano.If you 're reading this , you just installed the beta version of Enano 1.2.0 , the next-generation release of Enano .
Congratulations ! If you find any bugs , please report them on our issue tracker or in IRC .
Enano 's a big project , so tracking down bugs is hard and we need your help to do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He needs another Dev all right, they couldn't even keep the releases straight.I installed 1.1.7 from sourceforge, and got:Main PageThanks for helping to test Enano.If you're reading this, you just installed the beta version of Enano 1.2.0, the next-generation release of Enano.
Congratulations!If you find any bugs, please report them on our issue tracker or in IRC.
Enano's a big project, so tracking down bugs is hard and we need your help to do it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30929800</id>
	<title>Beta...</title>
	<author>philosiphus</author>
	<datestamp>1264615560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(After looking at <a href="http://enanocms.org/" title="enanocms.org" rel="nofollow">Enano CMS</a> [enanocms.org].)<br>
No one else mentioned this but for utility, as a user, I would also look for:</p><ul>
<li>no beta level; there must be production-level version (if you achieved that level already then change the name but it must have all the bugs ironed out for the most common use cases).</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>( After looking at Enano CMS [ enanocms.org ] .
) No one else mentioned this but for utility , as a user , I would also look for : no beta level ; there must be production-level version ( if you achieved that level already then change the name but it must have all the bugs ironed out for the most common use cases ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(After looking at Enano CMS [enanocms.org].
)
No one else mentioned this but for utility, as a user, I would also look for:
no beta level; there must be production-level version (if you achieved that level already then change the name but it must have all the bugs ironed out for the most common use cases).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30928410</id>
	<title>What?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264602180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you spread word about your project the same way you ask the question, no wonder. You are giving no information at all. So your question turns out to be "I have a hobby, and I want other to share the same hobby". Boring. Be more specific or nobody will listen. Ever!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you spread word about your project the same way you ask the question , no wonder .
You are giving no information at all .
So your question turns out to be " I have a hobby , and I want other to share the same hobby " .
Boring. Be more specific or nobody will listen .
Ever !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you spread word about your project the same way you ask the question, no wonder.
You are giving no information at all.
So your question turns out to be "I have a hobby, and I want other to share the same hobby".
Boring. Be more specific or nobody will listen.
Ever!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926448</id>
	<title>Talk to your users</title>
	<author>alain94040</author>
	<datestamp>1264592460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Developers are king. If you could attract one more developer, your project would stand a much higher chance of success.</p><p>2. Just because you open-sourced your project doesn't mean it's useful to anyone. No matter how much we <a href="http://blog.fairsoftware.net/2009/07/09/good-programmers-dont-need-no-marketing/" title="fairsoftware.net">geeks don't like marketing</a> [fairsoftware.net], you have to think hard about your users: where are they, what do they care about and what do they really need?</p><p>It's normal for all new projects to languish for a while. If you think twitter was an instant success, remember that it had 2 years of null traffic before taking off. Go out and ask users what they want. Think. Then implement. Your #1 potential mistake today: feature creep. Don't think that if only you added this one more feature, the crowds would come. If anything, try to simplify things<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-) and start communicating (posting on slashdot is not ideal, you should post wherever your users are, not talk to developers).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Developers are king .
If you could attract one more developer , your project would stand a much higher chance of success.2 .
Just because you open-sourced your project does n't mean it 's useful to anyone .
No matter how much we geeks do n't like marketing [ fairsoftware.net ] , you have to think hard about your users : where are they , what do they care about and what do they really need ? It 's normal for all new projects to languish for a while .
If you think twitter was an instant success , remember that it had 2 years of null traffic before taking off .
Go out and ask users what they want .
Think. Then implement .
Your # 1 potential mistake today : feature creep .
Do n't think that if only you added this one more feature , the crowds would come .
If anything , try to simplify things : - ) and start communicating ( posting on slashdot is not ideal , you should post wherever your users are , not talk to developers ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Developers are king.
If you could attract one more developer, your project would stand a much higher chance of success.2.
Just because you open-sourced your project doesn't mean it's useful to anyone.
No matter how much we geeks don't like marketing [fairsoftware.net], you have to think hard about your users: where are they, what do they care about and what do they really need?It's normal for all new projects to languish for a while.
If you think twitter was an instant success, remember that it had 2 years of null traffic before taking off.
Go out and ask users what they want.
Think. Then implement.
Your #1 potential mistake today: feature creep.
Don't think that if only you added this one more feature, the crowds would come.
If anything, try to simplify things :-) and start communicating (posting on slashdot is not ideal, you should post wherever your users are, not talk to developers).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926770</id>
	<title>Seriously</title>
	<author>aitikin</author>
	<datestamp>1264593360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You have a crew of nerds here who are all about open source and you refer to your project as "an open source web software project of mine" and are asking for more users?!

You <b> <i>must</i></b>  be new here.

It's kinda sad that you didn't put it in the summary, as others pointed out before me, you really did miss out.  Good luck getting it in in the comments, everybody who skims the summaries won't even see it...</htmltext>
<tokenext>You have a crew of nerds here who are all about open source and you refer to your project as " an open source web software project of mine " and are asking for more users ? !
You must be new here .
It 's kinda sad that you did n't put it in the summary , as others pointed out before me , you really did miss out .
Good luck getting it in in the comments , everybody who skims the summaries wo n't even see it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have a crew of nerds here who are all about open source and you refer to your project as "an open source web software project of mine" and are asking for more users?!
You  must  be new here.
It's kinda sad that you didn't put it in the summary, as others pointed out before me, you really did miss out.
Good luck getting it in in the comments, everybody who skims the summaries won't even see it...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927032</id>
	<title>Heh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264594320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I like how when there is a slashvertisement, everyone bitches.<br>
This guy sidesteps, and everyone is complaining because there isn't a slashvertisement. Oh the irony.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I like how when there is a slashvertisement , everyone bitches .
This guy sidesteps , and everyone is complaining because there is n't a slashvertisement .
Oh the irony .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like how when there is a slashvertisement, everyone bitches.
This guy sidesteps, and everyone is complaining because there isn't a slashvertisement.
Oh the irony.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30936170</id>
	<title>Re:Easy</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1264703040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>1) Post a message to slashdot<br>2) ????<br>3) Profit</i> </p><p>Except in this rare case the mystery step 2 is easy to identify:</p><p>1) Post a message to slashdot<br>2) <b>Include a link to your project</b><br>3) Profit!</p></div><p>This is exactly what the submitter did!</p><p>First they did step one.  With that complete, they're bound to move on to step two.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) Post a message to slashdot2 ) ? ? ?
? 3 ) Profit Except in this rare case the mystery step 2 is easy to identify : 1 ) Post a message to slashdot2 ) Include a link to your project3 ) Profit ! This is exactly what the submitter did ! First they did step one .
With that complete , they 're bound to move on to step two .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> 1) Post a message to slashdot2) ???
?3) Profit Except in this rare case the mystery step 2 is easy to identify:1) Post a message to slashdot2) Include a link to your project3) Profit!This is exactly what the submitter did!First they did step one.
With that complete, they're bound to move on to step two.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926760</id>
	<title>Re:Tell us what it's called...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264593300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some of us might be interested, other might consider it shameless self promotion.  If slashdot was doing front page adverts for every tiny FOSS project, we'd never hear any real news.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some of us might be interested , other might consider it shameless self promotion .
If slashdot was doing front page adverts for every tiny FOSS project , we 'd never hear any real news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some of us might be interested, other might consider it shameless self promotion.
If slashdot was doing front page adverts for every tiny FOSS project, we'd never hear any real news.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927406</id>
	<title>Re:Tell us what it's called...</title>
	<author>Raptor851</author>
	<datestamp>1264596120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"piqued the curiosity of a few of us" Is an understatement...I can't be the only one who started monitoring freshmeat for the inevitable post...even if it is just to know what the project is

this is genius marketing even if it was unintentional<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>" piqued the curiosity of a few of us " Is an understatement...I ca n't be the only one who started monitoring freshmeat for the inevitable post...even if it is just to know what the project is this is genius marketing even if it was unintentional : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"piqued the curiosity of a few of us" Is an understatement...I can't be the only one who started monitoring freshmeat for the inevitable post...even if it is just to know what the project is

this is genius marketing even if it was unintentional :)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927496</id>
	<title>My suggestions.</title>
	<author>Tei</author>
	<datestamp>1264596660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have good documentations, screenshots, maybe a video. A good website (cms + nice theme, maybe).<br>Then, wen you do big releases, poke the bloggers or news posters about it. People like to read news.<br>You can even poke the news-guys if you have something interesting, fun, amazing, to show.</p><p>And wen you give articles to news-guys, make these article very good. avoid spell errors, use your better english, etc..  your text must be perfect. This really help these people, and your opportunities, everyone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have good documentations , screenshots , maybe a video .
A good website ( cms + nice theme , maybe ) .Then , wen you do big releases , poke the bloggers or news posters about it .
People like to read news.You can even poke the news-guys if you have something interesting , fun , amazing , to show.And wen you give articles to news-guys , make these article very good .
avoid spell errors , use your better english , etc.. your text must be perfect .
This really help these people , and your opportunities , everyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have good documentations, screenshots, maybe a video.
A good website (cms + nice theme, maybe).Then, wen you do big releases, poke the bloggers or news posters about it.
People like to read news.You can even poke the news-guys if you have something interesting, fun, amazing, to show.And wen you give articles to news-guys, make these article very good.
avoid spell errors, use your better english, etc..  your text must be perfect.
This really help these people, and your opportunities, everyone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30936706</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe the problem is not the community?</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1264704720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Am I the only to think that if a project doesn't get a grip at all it's MAYBE because it is not that useful to people?</p></div><p>Sometimes this will be the case.  However, no matter how good a piece of code is, it's useless if people don't use it...</p><p>Using a piece of software is more than just fetching it from a repository, installing it, and running it.  A user has to <em>invest themselves</em> in the software before they'll really begin to understand it and what it has to offer them.  This is an investment of their time and attention as they familiarize themselves with the software.  A new programming language, for instance: users won't generally have any idea of whether that language is good for them until they've done a few projects using it.  If I were to switch my website to Drupal or something, I think I would have to run the site on the new software for a while before I could feel comfortable and confident with it.</p><p>Getting people to invest themselves in a project can be difficult: people will resist investing their effort into using something that they think may not continue to serve them well in the future (neglected or badly maintained projects, etc.)  There's no way really to prove that a project that's active <em>now</em> will continue to be active in the future, so the best you can do is minimize that initial investment: do everything you can to simplify the process by which people can learn about the project and try it out, so that more people who may be on the fence with regard to using it actually will try it.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Am I the only to think that if a project does n't get a grip at all it 's MAYBE because it is not that useful to people ? Sometimes this will be the case .
However , no matter how good a piece of code is , it 's useless if people do n't use it...Using a piece of software is more than just fetching it from a repository , installing it , and running it .
A user has to invest themselves in the software before they 'll really begin to understand it and what it has to offer them .
This is an investment of their time and attention as they familiarize themselves with the software .
A new programming language , for instance : users wo n't generally have any idea of whether that language is good for them until they 've done a few projects using it .
If I were to switch my website to Drupal or something , I think I would have to run the site on the new software for a while before I could feel comfortable and confident with it.Getting people to invest themselves in a project can be difficult : people will resist investing their effort into using something that they think may not continue to serve them well in the future ( neglected or badly maintained projects , etc .
) There 's no way really to prove that a project that 's active now will continue to be active in the future , so the best you can do is minimize that initial investment : do everything you can to simplify the process by which people can learn about the project and try it out , so that more people who may be on the fence with regard to using it actually will try it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only to think that if a project doesn't get a grip at all it's MAYBE because it is not that useful to people?Sometimes this will be the case.
However, no matter how good a piece of code is, it's useless if people don't use it...Using a piece of software is more than just fetching it from a repository, installing it, and running it.
A user has to invest themselves in the software before they'll really begin to understand it and what it has to offer them.
This is an investment of their time and attention as they familiarize themselves with the software.
A new programming language, for instance: users won't generally have any idea of whether that language is good for them until they've done a few projects using it.
If I were to switch my website to Drupal or something, I think I would have to run the site on the new software for a while before I could feel comfortable and confident with it.Getting people to invest themselves in a project can be difficult: people will resist investing their effort into using something that they think may not continue to serve them well in the future (neglected or badly maintained projects, etc.
)  There's no way really to prove that a project that's active now will continue to be active in the future, so the best you can do is minimize that initial investment: do everything you can to simplify the process by which people can learn about the project and try it out, so that more people who may be on the fence with regard to using it actually will try it.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927144</id>
	<title>Incubate It</title>
	<author>thehossman</author>
	<datestamp>1264594800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation\_Policy.html" title="apache.org">http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation\_Policy.html</a> [apache.org]</p><p><a href="http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html" title="apache.org">http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html</a> [apache.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation \ _Policy.html [ apache.org ] http : //incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html [ apache.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation\_Policy.html [apache.org]http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html [apache.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927022</id>
	<title>It might be helpful to...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264594260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>post a link?</p><p>Not only would that immediately incite us to click to your site, but it's helpful to us if we know what we're looking at before providing marketing advice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>post a link ? Not only would that immediately incite us to click to your site , but it 's helpful to us if we know what we 're looking at before providing marketing advice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>post a link?Not only would that immediately incite us to click to your site, but it's helpful to us if we know what we're looking at before providing marketing advice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927808</id>
	<title>Sex</title>
	<author>sexconker</author>
	<datestamp>1264598400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It sells.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It sells .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It sells.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927966</id>
	<title>Re:Talk to your users</title>
	<author>YGingras</author>
	<datestamp>1264599420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Go and meet people, give a talk at a local user group.  At <a href="http://montrealpython.org/" title="montrealpython.org">Montr&#233;al-Python</a> [montrealpython.org], we love when people present their personal projects.  These are usually very interesting presentations because you know the code very well and you can answer deep technical questions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Go and meet people , give a talk at a local user group .
At Montr   al-Python [ montrealpython.org ] , we love when people present their personal projects .
These are usually very interesting presentations because you know the code very well and you can answer deep technical questions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go and meet people, give a talk at a local user group.
At Montréal-Python [montrealpython.org], we love when people present their personal projects.
These are usually very interesting presentations because you know the code very well and you can answer deep technical questions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927120</id>
	<title>Why would anybody want your project?</title>
	<author>mwvdlee</author>
	<datestamp>1264594680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would anybody want your project?</p><p>Without knowing what your project is, it's hard to say, but in the Open Source world there are probably hundreds of competitors. Make sure you stand out amongst the others in a positive way and make sure people can read about it on your project's website.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would anybody want your project ? Without knowing what your project is , it 's hard to say , but in the Open Source world there are probably hundreds of competitors .
Make sure you stand out amongst the others in a positive way and make sure people can read about it on your project 's website .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would anybody want your project?Without knowing what your project is, it's hard to say, but in the Open Source world there are probably hundreds of competitors.
Make sure you stand out amongst the others in a positive way and make sure people can read about it on your project's website.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927280</id>
	<title>Re:It's simple</title>
	<author>0100010001010011</author>
	<datestamp>1264595400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Last time I got "friendlier" with one of my users I got into a law suit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last time I got " friendlier " with one of my users I got into a law suit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last time I got "friendlier" with one of my users I got into a law suit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926452</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30928002</id>
	<title>Re:Tell us what it's called...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264599660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(I'm the anon who submitted the question)</p><p>You're correct. I avoided revealing my identity here because my goal is to learn, not to spam Slashdot.</p><p>I'm sorry to those whose curiosity is ebbing. I'm dying to post a link to the project, but am afraid it would be in bad taste, and I doubt our VPS could handle the traffic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( I 'm the anon who submitted the question ) You 're correct .
I avoided revealing my identity here because my goal is to learn , not to spam Slashdot.I 'm sorry to those whose curiosity is ebbing .
I 'm dying to post a link to the project , but am afraid it would be in bad taste , and I doubt our VPS could handle the traffic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(I'm the anon who submitted the question)You're correct.
I avoided revealing my identity here because my goal is to learn, not to spam Slashdot.I'm sorry to those whose curiosity is ebbing.
I'm dying to post a link to the project, but am afraid it would be in bad taste, and I doubt our VPS could handle the traffic.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926774</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30928578</id>
	<title>No problem</title>
	<author>RonBurk</author>
	<datestamp>1264603680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>just ask all the users you worked with during development to spread the news. What's that? You didn't actually work with your future customers while developing the software? And now you're surprised that total strangers you didn't value during development don't value your project now? Classic.</p><p>This actually happens with shareware all the time. People code up something that scratched their itch. Build a website. Find a credit card provider. Issue a press release. And then are disappointed when there are 0 sales after a month.</p><p>If you want to make software for you, go into a cave and do it, and be happy with what you get. If you want to write software for <b>people</b>, then you have to work with (surprise!) <b>people</b>. The payback is, the first day the software ships, you already <b>know</b> it's useful to others, you already <b>have</b> a user community, and they are already spreading the word for you. When people tell you they aren't interested in trying your software, they're telling you your software is not very useful. Either they are right, or you can't describe your software very well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>just ask all the users you worked with during development to spread the news .
What 's that ?
You did n't actually work with your future customers while developing the software ?
And now you 're surprised that total strangers you did n't value during development do n't value your project now ?
Classic.This actually happens with shareware all the time .
People code up something that scratched their itch .
Build a website .
Find a credit card provider .
Issue a press release .
And then are disappointed when there are 0 sales after a month.If you want to make software for you , go into a cave and do it , and be happy with what you get .
If you want to write software for people , then you have to work with ( surprise !
) people .
The payback is , the first day the software ships , you already know it 's useful to others , you already have a user community , and they are already spreading the word for you .
When people tell you they are n't interested in trying your software , they 're telling you your software is not very useful .
Either they are right , or you ca n't describe your software very well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>just ask all the users you worked with during development to spread the news.
What's that?
You didn't actually work with your future customers while developing the software?
And now you're surprised that total strangers you didn't value during development don't value your project now?
Classic.This actually happens with shareware all the time.
People code up something that scratched their itch.
Build a website.
Find a credit card provider.
Issue a press release.
And then are disappointed when there are 0 sales after a month.If you want to make software for you, go into a cave and do it, and be happy with what you get.
If you want to write software for people, then you have to work with (surprise!
) people.
The payback is, the first day the software ships, you already know it's useful to others, you already have a user community, and they are already spreading the word for you.
When people tell you they aren't interested in trying your software, they're telling you your software is not very useful.
Either they are right, or you can't describe your software very well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30930880</id>
	<title>Re:Talk to your users</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264672260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>3) You could also post a link to it and maybe like tell people what it's about. Get yourself slashdotted</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>3 ) You could also post a link to it and maybe like tell people what it 's about .
Get yourself slashdotted</tokentext>
<sentencetext>3) You could also post a link to it and maybe like tell people what it's about.
Get yourself slashdotted</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926448</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30931538</id>
	<title>It would be best ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264680000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... if you wouldn't spread the word at all!</p><p>There's simply too much open source out there that sucks big time. I don't expect your project to be any different. If it is, close the source and charge for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... if you would n't spread the word at all ! There 's simply too much open source out there that sucks big time .
I do n't expect your project to be any different .
If it is , close the source and charge for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... if you wouldn't spread the word at all!There's simply too much open source out there that sucks big time.
I don't expect your project to be any different.
If it is, close the source and charge for it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30928432</id>
	<title>Free Hookers!*</title>
	<author>jd2112</author>
	<datestamp>1264602240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>*US Only, Not valid in Nevada, Void where prohibited by law.</htmltext>
<tokenext>* US Only , Not valid in Nevada , Void where prohibited by law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*US Only, Not valid in Nevada, Void where prohibited by law.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926498</id>
	<title>Post to Slashdot!</title>
	<author>davecrusoe</author>
	<datestamp>1264592580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And, oh, send notes to bloggers and twitters, too. But hey, if you get Slashdotted, you're in a good zone!</htmltext>
<tokenext>And , oh , send notes to bloggers and twitters , too .
But hey , if you get Slashdotted , you 're in a good zone !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And, oh, send notes to bloggers and twitters, too.
But hey, if you get Slashdotted, you're in a good zone!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30930074</id>
	<title>I think I know the project...</title>
	<author>waTR</author>
	<datestamp>1264618860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've got $5 on that the project is <a href="http://www.web2py.com/" title="web2py.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.web2py.com/</a> [web2py.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got $ 5 on that the project is http : //www.web2py.com/ [ web2py.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got $5 on that the project is http://www.web2py.com/ [web2py.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30936026</id>
	<title>Unique selling point.</title>
	<author>Half-pint HAL</author>
	<datestamp>1264702620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Have good documentations</i> </p><p>Even now, this sets you above the crowd in the OSS market.  Too many programs, not enough instructions.  This is one of the reasons most successful open-source software is a clone of a commercial product -- at least the user can use the training materials for the commercial product!</p><p>HAL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have good documentations Even now , this sets you above the crowd in the OSS market .
Too many programs , not enough instructions .
This is one of the reasons most successful open-source software is a clone of a commercial product -- at least the user can use the training materials for the commercial product ! HAL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Have good documentations Even now, this sets you above the crowd in the OSS market.
Too many programs, not enough instructions.
This is one of the reasons most successful open-source software is a clone of a commercial product -- at least the user can use the training materials for the commercial product!HAL.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926482</id>
	<title>This would have been a great start</title>
	<author>stoolpigeon</author>
	<datestamp>1264592460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If there were any info. on what the project is and where to check it out.  (I realize a lot of people would have made snarky comments if that info had been included too.  A regular catch 22 -- but this is a great opportunity and you should post a description and link to the project in this thread.)</p><p>Without any specifics I would think most answers are going to be just as generic.  Post about it in different message boards, post about it at aggregator type sites (reddit, digg) - use twitter, facebook or whatever else might help people find out about it.</p><p>Who are the intended users?  Where would those people be that you might show up and promote your project?  Are their user groups that might be a good place to frequent?</p><p>Would a publication/site that deals with FOSS or whatever problem your project solves be interested in doing a write-up?  Will they accept one from someone on the project or one of the users?</p><p>If it runs on Linux is it available through the package management systems of the major distros?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If there were any info .
on what the project is and where to check it out .
( I realize a lot of people would have made snarky comments if that info had been included too .
A regular catch 22 -- but this is a great opportunity and you should post a description and link to the project in this thread .
) Without any specifics I would think most answers are going to be just as generic .
Post about it in different message boards , post about it at aggregator type sites ( reddit , digg ) - use twitter , facebook or whatever else might help people find out about it.Who are the intended users ?
Where would those people be that you might show up and promote your project ?
Are their user groups that might be a good place to frequent ? Would a publication/site that deals with FOSS or whatever problem your project solves be interested in doing a write-up ?
Will they accept one from someone on the project or one of the users ? If it runs on Linux is it available through the package management systems of the major distros ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there were any info.
on what the project is and where to check it out.
(I realize a lot of people would have made snarky comments if that info had been included too.
A regular catch 22 -- but this is a great opportunity and you should post a description and link to the project in this thread.
)Without any specifics I would think most answers are going to be just as generic.
Post about it in different message boards, post about it at aggregator type sites (reddit, digg) - use twitter, facebook or whatever else might help people find out about it.Who are the intended users?
Where would those people be that you might show up and promote your project?
Are their user groups that might be a good place to frequent?Would a publication/site that deals with FOSS or whatever problem your project solves be interested in doing a write-up?
Will they accept one from someone on the project or one of the users?If it runs on Linux is it available through the package management systems of the major distros?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30930272</id>
	<title>Re:Talk to your users</title>
	<author>cannuck</author>
	<datestamp>1264621740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>a) talk to as many people as you know ( at least 12 people), and ask them whether or not your software idea is a good concept or a bad one. if they all say it is great idea, forget it - there is no market for it. On the other hand if they all raise one eyebrow and give you funny looks and say they can't see the software succeeding - then it's a go. I'll explain it  - if anyone here needs it explained. If you need the above explained, then you lack "tradeskills" (intrinsic business skills that you developed before age 16!!). If you don't have "tradeskills" then you better find a partner who does have tradeskill! At the same time, you need a third person to help you develop your partnership --- or you will be very sorry.

b) when the software is more or less finished, you talk to at least 12 "potential users" of the software and have them use the software for at least a week and then fill in a concise evaluation sheet. then collect and analyze the questionnaire.

c) then develop you marketing story/  !</htmltext>
<tokenext>a ) talk to as many people as you know ( at least 12 people ) , and ask them whether or not your software idea is a good concept or a bad one .
if they all say it is great idea , forget it - there is no market for it .
On the other hand if they all raise one eyebrow and give you funny looks and say they ca n't see the software succeeding - then it 's a go .
I 'll explain it - if anyone here needs it explained .
If you need the above explained , then you lack " tradeskills " ( intrinsic business skills that you developed before age 16 ! ! ) .
If you do n't have " tradeskills " then you better find a partner who does have tradeskill !
At the same time , you need a third person to help you develop your partnership --- or you will be very sorry .
b ) when the software is more or less finished , you talk to at least 12 " potential users " of the software and have them use the software for at least a week and then fill in a concise evaluation sheet .
then collect and analyze the questionnaire .
c ) then develop you marketing story/ !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a) talk to as many people as you know ( at least 12 people), and ask them whether or not your software idea is a good concept or a bad one.
if they all say it is great idea, forget it - there is no market for it.
On the other hand if they all raise one eyebrow and give you funny looks and say they can't see the software succeeding - then it's a go.
I'll explain it  - if anyone here needs it explained.
If you need the above explained, then you lack "tradeskills" (intrinsic business skills that you developed before age 16!!).
If you don't have "tradeskills" then you better find a partner who does have tradeskill!
At the same time, you need a third person to help you develop your partnership --- or you will be very sorry.
b) when the software is more or less finished, you talk to at least 12 "potential users" of the software and have them use the software for at least a week and then fill in a concise evaluation sheet.
then collect and analyze the questionnaire.
c) then develop you marketing story/  !</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30930050</id>
	<title>Re:Talk to your users</title>
	<author>Lazy Jones</author>
	<datestamp>1264618440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>no one wants to commit to using software that will disappear if you get hit by a bus.</p></div><p>
We *are* talking about FOSS here, right? You can always fix it yourself if you depend on it. Besides, most FOSS projects "disappear" in the sense you probably mean because the maintainer(s) lose(s) interest. I seriously doubt that developers getting hit by busses is a serious problem for FOSS users.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>no one wants to commit to using software that will disappear if you get hit by a bus .
We * are * talking about FOSS here , right ?
You can always fix it yourself if you depend on it .
Besides , most FOSS projects " disappear " in the sense you probably mean because the maintainer ( s ) lose ( s ) interest .
I seriously doubt that developers getting hit by busses is a serious problem for FOSS users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no one wants to commit to using software that will disappear if you get hit by a bus.
We *are* talking about FOSS here, right?
You can always fix it yourself if you depend on it.
Besides, most FOSS projects "disappear" in the sense you probably mean because the maintainer(s) lose(s) interest.
I seriously doubt that developers getting hit by busses is a serious problem for FOSS users.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30928310</id>
	<title>Re:This would have been a great start</title>
	<author>Izhido</author>
	<datestamp>1264601340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dude.</p><p>9 never said that. Quite the opposite. It was 1 who said that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude.9 never said that .
Quite the opposite .
It was 1 who said that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude.9 never said that.
Quite the opposite.
It was 1 who said that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30931002</id>
	<title>Re:It's simple</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264673940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>so you're better of getting to know as many people as you know (as you're better of getting to know as many girls as possible)</p></div><p>Do you have any suggestions for a FOSS project targeted at girls? Then getting to know as many of the users and girls would have some great synergy effects.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>so you 're better of getting to know as many people as you know ( as you 're better of getting to know as many girls as possible ) Do you have any suggestions for a FOSS project targeted at girls ?
Then getting to know as many of the users and girls would have some great synergy effects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so you're better of getting to know as many people as you know (as you're better of getting to know as many girls as possible)Do you have any suggestions for a FOSS project targeted at girls?
Then getting to know as many of the users and girls would have some great synergy effects.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927600</id>
	<title>Re:Talk to your users</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264597260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>spot on. no one wants to commit to using software that will disappear if you get hit by a bus.</htmltext>
<tokenext>spot on .
no one wants to commit to using software that will disappear if you get hit by a bus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>spot on.
no one wants to commit to using software that will disappear if you get hit by a bus.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927536</id>
	<title>Maybe the problem is not the community?</title>
	<author>Ekuryua</author>
	<datestamp>1264596840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Am I the only to think that if a project doesn't get a grip at all it's MAYBE because it is not that useful to people? In my experience, projects do benefit from a community boost, but 90\% of the work is still having a useful application that people desire.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only to think that if a project does n't get a grip at all it 's MAYBE because it is not that useful to people ?
In my experience , projects do benefit from a community boost , but 90 \ % of the work is still having a useful application that people desire .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only to think that if a project doesn't get a grip at all it's MAYBE because it is not that useful to people?
In my experience, projects do benefit from a community boost, but 90\% of the work is still having a useful application that people desire.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927030</id>
	<title>Oh come on...</title>
	<author>Simulant</author>
	<datestamp>1264594320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Submitting this to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. is like putting up a billboard that says only,  "Please check out my product."</p><p>If you'd said what it was you'd be half way there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>    Submitting this to / .
is like putting up a billboard that says only , " Please check out my product .
" If you 'd said what it was you 'd be half way there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
    Submitting this to /.
is like putting up a billboard that says only,  "Please check out my product.
"If you'd said what it was you'd be half way there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927330</id>
	<title>Open Source Development HOWTO</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264595640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><ol> <li> <b>Introduction</b> <p>As everyone knows, Open Source software is the wave of the future. With the market share of GNU/Linux and *BSD increasing every day, interest in Open Source Software is at an all time high.</p><p>Developing software within the Open Source model benefits everyone. People can take your code, improve it and then release it back to the community. This cycle continues and leads to the creation of far more stable software than the 'Closed Source' shops can ever hope to create.</p><p>So you're itching to create that Doom 3 killer but don't know where to start? Read on!</p></li><li> <b>First Steps</b> <p>The most important thing that any Open Source project needs is a Sourceforge page. There are tens of thousands of successful Open Source projects on Sourceforge.Net; the support you receive here will be invaluable.</p><p>OK, so you've registered your Sourceforge.Net project and set the status to '0: Pre-Thinking About It', what's next?</p></li><li> <b>Don't Waste Time!</b> <p>Now you need to set up your SourceForge.net homepage. Keep it plain and simple - don't use too many HTML tags, just knock something up in VI. Website editors like Expression Web and DreamWeaver just create bloated eye-candy - you need to get your message to the masses!</p></li><li> <b>Ask For Help</b> <p>Since you probably can't program at all you'll need to try and find some people who think they can. If your project is a game you'll probably need an artist too. Ask for help on your new Sourceforge pages. Here is an example to get you started:</p><blockquote><div><p>"Hi there! Welcom to my SorceForge page! I am planing to create a Fisrt Person Shooter game for Linux that is going to kick Doom 3's ass! I have loads of awesome ideas, like giant robotic spiders! I need some help thouh as I cant program or draw. If you can program or draw the tekstures please get in touch! K thx bye!"</p></div></blockquote><p>Thousands of talented programmers and artists hang out at Sourceforge.net ready to devote their time to projects so you should get a team together in no time!</p></li><li> <b>The A-Team</b> <p>So now you have your team together you are ready to change your projects status to '1: Pre-Bickering'. You will need to discuss your ideas with your team mates and see what value they can add to the project. You could use an Instant Messaging program like MSN for this, but since you run Linux you'll have to stick to e-mail.</p><p>Don't forget that YOU are in charge! If your team doesn't like the idea of giant robotic spiders just delete them from the project and move on. Someone else can fill their place and this is the beauty of Open Source development. The code might end up a bit messy and the graphics inconsistant - but it's still 'Free as in Speech'!</p></li><li> <b>Getting Down To It</b> <p>Now that you've found a team of right thinking people you're ready to start development. Be prepared for some delays though. Programming is a craft and can take years to learn. Your programmer may be a bit rusty but will probably be writing "hello world" programs after school in no time.</p><p>Closed Source games like Doom 3 use the graphics card to do all the hard stuff anyhow, so your programmer will just have to get the NVidia 'API' and it will be plain sailing! Giant robot spiders, here we come!</p></li><li> <b>The Outcome</b> <p>So it's been a few years, you still have no files released or in CVS. Your programmer can't get enough time on the PC because his mother won't let him use it after 8pm. Your artist has run off with a Thai She-Male. Your project is still at '1: Pre-Bickering'...</p><p>Congratulations! You now have a successful Open Source project on Sourceforge.net! Pat yourself on the back, think up another idea and do it all again! See how simple it is?</p></li></ol></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Introduction As everyone knows , Open Source software is the wave of the future .
With the market share of GNU/Linux and * BSD increasing every day , interest in Open Source Software is at an all time high.Developing software within the Open Source model benefits everyone .
People can take your code , improve it and then release it back to the community .
This cycle continues and leads to the creation of far more stable software than the 'Closed Source ' shops can ever hope to create.So you 're itching to create that Doom 3 killer but do n't know where to start ?
Read on !
First Steps The most important thing that any Open Source project needs is a Sourceforge page .
There are tens of thousands of successful Open Source projects on Sourceforge.Net ; the support you receive here will be invaluable.OK , so you 've registered your Sourceforge.Net project and set the status to '0 : Pre-Thinking About It ' , what 's next ?
Do n't Waste Time !
Now you need to set up your SourceForge.net homepage .
Keep it plain and simple - do n't use too many HTML tags , just knock something up in VI .
Website editors like Expression Web and DreamWeaver just create bloated eye-candy - you need to get your message to the masses !
Ask For Help Since you probably ca n't program at all you 'll need to try and find some people who think they can .
If your project is a game you 'll probably need an artist too .
Ask for help on your new Sourceforge pages .
Here is an example to get you started : " Hi there !
Welcom to my SorceForge page !
I am planing to create a Fisrt Person Shooter game for Linux that is going to kick Doom 3 's ass !
I have loads of awesome ideas , like giant robotic spiders !
I need some help thouh as I cant program or draw .
If you can program or draw the tekstures please get in touch !
K thx bye !
" Thousands of talented programmers and artists hang out at Sourceforge.net ready to devote their time to projects so you should get a team together in no time !
The A-Team So now you have your team together you are ready to change your projects status to '1 : Pre-Bickering' .
You will need to discuss your ideas with your team mates and see what value they can add to the project .
You could use an Instant Messaging program like MSN for this , but since you run Linux you 'll have to stick to e-mail.Do n't forget that YOU are in charge !
If your team does n't like the idea of giant robotic spiders just delete them from the project and move on .
Someone else can fill their place and this is the beauty of Open Source development .
The code might end up a bit messy and the graphics inconsistant - but it 's still 'Free as in Speech ' !
Getting Down To It Now that you 've found a team of right thinking people you 're ready to start development .
Be prepared for some delays though .
Programming is a craft and can take years to learn .
Your programmer may be a bit rusty but will probably be writing " hello world " programs after school in no time.Closed Source games like Doom 3 use the graphics card to do all the hard stuff anyhow , so your programmer will just have to get the NVidia 'API ' and it will be plain sailing !
Giant robot spiders , here we come !
The Outcome So it 's been a few years , you still have no files released or in CVS .
Your programmer ca n't get enough time on the PC because his mother wo n't let him use it after 8pm .
Your artist has run off with a Thai She-Male .
Your project is still at '1 : Pre-Bickering'...Congratulations !
You now have a successful Open Source project on Sourceforge.net !
Pat yourself on the back , think up another idea and do it all again !
See how simple it is ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  Introduction As everyone knows, Open Source software is the wave of the future.
With the market share of GNU/Linux and *BSD increasing every day, interest in Open Source Software is at an all time high.Developing software within the Open Source model benefits everyone.
People can take your code, improve it and then release it back to the community.
This cycle continues and leads to the creation of far more stable software than the 'Closed Source' shops can ever hope to create.So you're itching to create that Doom 3 killer but don't know where to start?
Read on!
First Steps The most important thing that any Open Source project needs is a Sourceforge page.
There are tens of thousands of successful Open Source projects on Sourceforge.Net; the support you receive here will be invaluable.OK, so you've registered your Sourceforge.Net project and set the status to '0: Pre-Thinking About It', what's next?
Don't Waste Time!
Now you need to set up your SourceForge.net homepage.
Keep it plain and simple - don't use too many HTML tags, just knock something up in VI.
Website editors like Expression Web and DreamWeaver just create bloated eye-candy - you need to get your message to the masses!
Ask For Help Since you probably can't program at all you'll need to try and find some people who think they can.
If your project is a game you'll probably need an artist too.
Ask for help on your new Sourceforge pages.
Here is an example to get you started:"Hi there!
Welcom to my SorceForge page!
I am planing to create a Fisrt Person Shooter game for Linux that is going to kick Doom 3's ass!
I have loads of awesome ideas, like giant robotic spiders!
I need some help thouh as I cant program or draw.
If you can program or draw the tekstures please get in touch!
K thx bye!
"Thousands of talented programmers and artists hang out at Sourceforge.net ready to devote their time to projects so you should get a team together in no time!
The A-Team So now you have your team together you are ready to change your projects status to '1: Pre-Bickering'.
You will need to discuss your ideas with your team mates and see what value they can add to the project.
You could use an Instant Messaging program like MSN for this, but since you run Linux you'll have to stick to e-mail.Don't forget that YOU are in charge!
If your team doesn't like the idea of giant robotic spiders just delete them from the project and move on.
Someone else can fill their place and this is the beauty of Open Source development.
The code might end up a bit messy and the graphics inconsistant - but it's still 'Free as in Speech'!
Getting Down To It Now that you've found a team of right thinking people you're ready to start development.
Be prepared for some delays though.
Programming is a craft and can take years to learn.
Your programmer may be a bit rusty but will probably be writing "hello world" programs after school in no time.Closed Source games like Doom 3 use the graphics card to do all the hard stuff anyhow, so your programmer will just have to get the NVidia 'API' and it will be plain sailing!
Giant robot spiders, here we come!
The Outcome So it's been a few years, you still have no files released or in CVS.
Your programmer can't get enough time on the PC because his mother won't let him use it after 8pm.
Your artist has run off with a Thai She-Male.
Your project is still at '1: Pre-Bickering'...Congratulations!
You now have a successful Open Source project on Sourceforge.net!
Pat yourself on the back, think up another idea and do it all again!
See how simple it is?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927928</id>
	<title>Not useful</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1264599120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your software is likely not terribly useful, difficult to set up, and/or not as useful as something which is easier to set up. It might also be ugly compared to the competition.</p><p>You might also have an unreasonable requirement; eg. Postgresql (not MySQL, etc.) for a backend database on, say, a note/reminder application. That's a bit of a headache to setup. Poor documentation? There ya go - most people aren't intimately familiar w/ every piece of software out there and wouldn't be able to follow the sparse breadcrumbs of documentation. (Just guessing here, I don't know your project.)</p><p>Let me take <a href="http://gxemul.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">gxemul</a> [sourceforge.net], an architecture emulator (ARM, MIPS, Motorola 88K, PowerPC, and SuperH). It's got very limited utility - IE, mainly for nostalgic users, hobbyists, or possibly as a way to make cross-compilation easier (by doing it 'native'). I've used it for the latter two purposes, and it does a good enough job that I got what I needed to get done (mostly).</p><p>As far as I know, it's got a single active developer. The IRC channel has under a dozen users, with maybe 2-3 active at a time max (last I checked). Yet, as a project, it seems to do pretty well.</p><p>Something you might try: packaging your project for a couple distributions and trying to get it added, with yourself as the package maintainer. I know that awesome (the window manager) is packaged in most distros at a reasonably current version, despite its fast paced development (it's under 2 years old, as a project). Having those packages available has certainly helped spread its adoption.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your software is likely not terribly useful , difficult to set up , and/or not as useful as something which is easier to set up .
It might also be ugly compared to the competition.You might also have an unreasonable requirement ; eg .
Postgresql ( not MySQL , etc .
) for a backend database on , say , a note/reminder application .
That 's a bit of a headache to setup .
Poor documentation ?
There ya go - most people are n't intimately familiar w/ every piece of software out there and would n't be able to follow the sparse breadcrumbs of documentation .
( Just guessing here , I do n't know your project .
) Let me take gxemul [ sourceforge.net ] , an architecture emulator ( ARM , MIPS , Motorola 88K , PowerPC , and SuperH ) .
It 's got very limited utility - IE , mainly for nostalgic users , hobbyists , or possibly as a way to make cross-compilation easier ( by doing it 'native ' ) .
I 've used it for the latter two purposes , and it does a good enough job that I got what I needed to get done ( mostly ) .As far as I know , it 's got a single active developer .
The IRC channel has under a dozen users , with maybe 2-3 active at a time max ( last I checked ) .
Yet , as a project , it seems to do pretty well.Something you might try : packaging your project for a couple distributions and trying to get it added , with yourself as the package maintainer .
I know that awesome ( the window manager ) is packaged in most distros at a reasonably current version , despite its fast paced development ( it 's under 2 years old , as a project ) .
Having those packages available has certainly helped spread its adoption .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your software is likely not terribly useful, difficult to set up, and/or not as useful as something which is easier to set up.
It might also be ugly compared to the competition.You might also have an unreasonable requirement; eg.
Postgresql (not MySQL, etc.
) for a backend database on, say, a note/reminder application.
That's a bit of a headache to setup.
Poor documentation?
There ya go - most people aren't intimately familiar w/ every piece of software out there and wouldn't be able to follow the sparse breadcrumbs of documentation.
(Just guessing here, I don't know your project.
)Let me take gxemul [sourceforge.net], an architecture emulator (ARM, MIPS, Motorola 88K, PowerPC, and SuperH).
It's got very limited utility - IE, mainly for nostalgic users, hobbyists, or possibly as a way to make cross-compilation easier (by doing it 'native').
I've used it for the latter two purposes, and it does a good enough job that I got what I needed to get done (mostly).As far as I know, it's got a single active developer.
The IRC channel has under a dozen users, with maybe 2-3 active at a time max (last I checked).
Yet, as a project, it seems to do pretty well.Something you might try: packaging your project for a couple distributions and trying to get it added, with yourself as the package maintainer.
I know that awesome (the window manager) is packaged in most distros at a reasonably current version, despite its fast paced development (it's under 2 years old, as a project).
Having those packages available has certainly helped spread its adoption.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927964</id>
	<title>Re:freshmeat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264599420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Posting to Freshmeat is far from a holy grail.  I'm a member of a FOSS web app platform that's been on FM (and a few other places, like HotScripts) since the project was forked from its predecessor.  We've never really had a thriving community, and 90\% of the original developers, including the most prolific ones, left the project long ago for various reasons, including endless bikeshedding at every level.</p><p>The small community we have is enthusiastic about the product and won't touch anything else, but none of them seem to feel capable of making the jump from user to contributor.  My theory is that when the project was as it most vibrant (its first three years), a strong Cathedral mentality (as opposed to Bazaar) was created where the team would implement anything the users wanted, which spoiled them.  Recent efforts to tear down the Cathedral and foster contribution have been ineffective.  A "code uber alles" mindset never helped either.</p><p>The project has been forked and the forker seems determined to undermine us; he uses our communication channels to troll us and redirect users to his fork.  I've wanted to ban him for a long time, but no one else wants to pull that trigger.</p><p>In a lot of projects, the developers usually lack two abilities: good UI design (where applicable), and marketing.</p><p>This story is similar to one I've been considering posting for a while now.</p><p>(Posted anonymously to avoid being a slashvertisement)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Posting to Freshmeat is far from a holy grail .
I 'm a member of a FOSS web app platform that 's been on FM ( and a few other places , like HotScripts ) since the project was forked from its predecessor .
We 've never really had a thriving community , and 90 \ % of the original developers , including the most prolific ones , left the project long ago for various reasons , including endless bikeshedding at every level.The small community we have is enthusiastic about the product and wo n't touch anything else , but none of them seem to feel capable of making the jump from user to contributor .
My theory is that when the project was as it most vibrant ( its first three years ) , a strong Cathedral mentality ( as opposed to Bazaar ) was created where the team would implement anything the users wanted , which spoiled them .
Recent efforts to tear down the Cathedral and foster contribution have been ineffective .
A " code uber alles " mindset never helped either.The project has been forked and the forker seems determined to undermine us ; he uses our communication channels to troll us and redirect users to his fork .
I 've wanted to ban him for a long time , but no one else wants to pull that trigger.In a lot of projects , the developers usually lack two abilities : good UI design ( where applicable ) , and marketing.This story is similar to one I 've been considering posting for a while now .
( Posted anonymously to avoid being a slashvertisement )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Posting to Freshmeat is far from a holy grail.
I'm a member of a FOSS web app platform that's been on FM (and a few other places, like HotScripts) since the project was forked from its predecessor.
We've never really had a thriving community, and 90\% of the original developers, including the most prolific ones, left the project long ago for various reasons, including endless bikeshedding at every level.The small community we have is enthusiastic about the product and won't touch anything else, but none of them seem to feel capable of making the jump from user to contributor.
My theory is that when the project was as it most vibrant (its first three years), a strong Cathedral mentality (as opposed to Bazaar) was created where the team would implement anything the users wanted, which spoiled them.
Recent efforts to tear down the Cathedral and foster contribution have been ineffective.
A "code uber alles" mindset never helped either.The project has been forked and the forker seems determined to undermine us; he uses our communication channels to troll us and redirect users to his fork.
I've wanted to ban him for a long time, but no one else wants to pull that trigger.In a lot of projects, the developers usually lack two abilities: good UI design (where applicable), and marketing.This story is similar to one I've been considering posting for a while now.
(Posted anonymously to avoid being a slashvertisement)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30930194</id>
	<title>Re:It's simple</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264620660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You forgot the fundamental part of getting friendly in the geek community. Slippin them the mickey.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You forgot the fundamental part of getting friendly in the geek community .
Slippin them the mickey .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You forgot the fundamental part of getting friendly in the geek community.
Slippin them the mickey.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927842</id>
	<title>Re:Heh.</title>
	<author>Nightspirit</author>
	<datestamp>1264598580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People here hate marketing but there is a reason why companies like MS and Apple spend so much on it, it works even if people complain about it. The end result is now no one knows what this company is, but if they mentioned the company people would have complained, but maybe a couple people would have found something they wanted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People here hate marketing but there is a reason why companies like MS and Apple spend so much on it , it works even if people complain about it .
The end result is now no one knows what this company is , but if they mentioned the company people would have complained , but maybe a couple people would have found something they wanted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People here hate marketing but there is a reason why companies like MS and Apple spend so much on it, it works even if people complain about it.
The end result is now no one knows what this company is, but if they mentioned the company people would have complained, but maybe a couple people would have found something they wanted.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30927032</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30928010</id>
	<title>Some Educated Guess Work</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264599660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Using Sourceforge's terrible search engine, I tried my best to deduce the software package of our mysterious author.</p><p>Things we know:<br>two developers<br>small forum base<br>three+ years old<br>web based<br>open source</p><p>Things we can assume:<br>on Sourceforge<br>fewer than 50,000 downloads<br>is listed as Production/Stable or Mature</p><p>After a bit of playing, I got the list down to 35 hits.  Five of which list two authors on the info page<br>Limbas - very dated forum usage<br>vbDrupal - very active forum<br>Gerenciador Cl&#237;nico Odontol&#243;gico Smile - Spanish means nothing to me<br>Jumper 2.0 - no easy to find forum (which means I could not find it) additionally, they sell support...why make a forum easy to find if you want people to buy support?<br>The Vexi Platform - few regularish forum use</p><p>Given the limited info, I am concluding that the author is responsible for the creation of the Vexi Platform http://sourceforge.net/projects/vexi/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Using Sourceforge 's terrible search engine , I tried my best to deduce the software package of our mysterious author.Things we know : two developerssmall forum basethree + years oldweb basedopen sourceThings we can assume : on Sourceforgefewer than 50,000 downloadsis listed as Production/Stable or MatureAfter a bit of playing , I got the list down to 35 hits .
Five of which list two authors on the info pageLimbas - very dated forum usagevbDrupal - very active forumGerenciador Cl   nico Odontol   gico Smile - Spanish means nothing to meJumper 2.0 - no easy to find forum ( which means I could not find it ) additionally , they sell support...why make a forum easy to find if you want people to buy support ? The Vexi Platform - few regularish forum useGiven the limited info , I am concluding that the author is responsible for the creation of the Vexi Platform http : //sourceforge.net/projects/vexi/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using Sourceforge's terrible search engine, I tried my best to deduce the software package of our mysterious author.Things we know:two developerssmall forum basethree+ years oldweb basedopen sourceThings we can assume:on Sourceforgefewer than 50,000 downloadsis listed as Production/Stable or MatureAfter a bit of playing, I got the list down to 35 hits.
Five of which list two authors on the info pageLimbas - very dated forum usagevbDrupal - very active forumGerenciador Clínico Odontológico Smile - Spanish means nothing to meJumper 2.0 - no easy to find forum (which means I could not find it) additionally, they sell support...why make a forum easy to find if you want people to buy support?The Vexi Platform - few regularish forum useGiven the limited info, I am concluding that the author is responsible for the creation of the Vexi Platform http://sourceforge.net/projects/vexi/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30926706</id>
	<title>Re:Put an Apple on it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264593180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You'll have people lining up overnight regardless of substance.</p></div><p>mod parent up!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'll have people lining up overnight regardless of substance.mod parent up !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'll have people lining up overnight regardless of substance.mod parent up!
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30945690</id>
	<title>NetMBA</title>
	<author>mahadiga</author>
	<datestamp>1264700640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Check <a href="http://www.netmba.com/marketing/" title="netmba.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.netmba.com/marketing/</a> [netmba.com] if you're a newbie.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Check http : //www.netmba.com/marketing/ [ netmba.com ] if you 're a newbie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check http://www.netmba.com/marketing/ [netmba.com] if you're a newbie.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2151230.30928576</id>
	<title>Re:Talk to your users</title>
	<author>Actually, I do RTFA</author>
	<datestamp>1264603680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>1. Developers are king. If you could attract one more developer, your project would stand a much higher chance of success.</p></div></blockquote><p>I would say "Documenters are king".</p><p>Why does no one want to use F/OSS software without a thriving community?  There are worries about getting new features.  There are worries about compatibility, both forwards and backwards.  But the major issue is getting support for whatever issue you need.  A thriving community means someone else spent 17 hours figuring out your specific problem.  Good documentation means that you don't need to rely on community help.</p><p>It's a thankless job, and it adds a cost in a way that is certainly more risky.  More features you can certainly personally use.  A well-written manual is a gamble.  But I would say that's the only way to break the "community" loop. </p><p>This assumes that it's not a social-networking app.  If it is, well, it'll be a long slow procession.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Developers are king .
If you could attract one more developer , your project would stand a much higher chance of success.I would say " Documenters are king " .Why does no one want to use F/OSS software without a thriving community ?
There are worries about getting new features .
There are worries about compatibility , both forwards and backwards .
But the major issue is getting support for whatever issue you need .
A thriving community means someone else spent 17 hours figuring out your specific problem .
Good documentation means that you do n't need to rely on community help.It 's a thankless job , and it adds a cost in a way that is certainly more risky .
More features you can certainly personally use .
A well-written manual is a gamble .
But I would say that 's the only way to break the " community " loop .
This assumes that it 's not a social-networking app .
If it is , well , it 'll be a long slow procession .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Developers are king.
If you could attract one more developer, your project would stand a much higher chance of success.I would say "Documenters are king".Why does no one want to use F/OSS software without a thriving community?
There are worries about getting new features.
There are worries about compatibility, both forwards and backwards.
But the major issue is getting support for whatever issue you need.
A thriving community means someone else spent 17 hours figuring out your specific problem.
Good documentation means that you don't need to rely on community help.It's a thankless job, and it adds a cost in a way that is certainly more risky.
More features you can certainly personally use.
A well-written manual is a gamble.
But I would say that's the only way to break the "community" loop.
This assumes that it's not a social-networking app.
If it is, well, it'll be a long slow procession.
	</sentencetext>
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