<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_26_1645232</id>
	<title>UK Police Plan To Use Military-Style Spy Drones</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1264529520000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>krou writes <i>"According to documents obtained by the Guardian under the Freedom of Information Act, <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/23/cctv-sky-police-plan-drones">the UK police plan on deploying unmanned drones in the UK</a> to 'revolutionize policing' and extend domestic 'surveillance, monitoring and evidence gathering,' which will be used in 'the routine work of the police, border authorities and other government agencies.'  The documents come from the South Coast Partnership, 'a Home Office-backed project in which Kent police and others are developing a national drone plan' in conjunction with BAE Systems. The stated aim is to introduce the system in time for the 2012 Olympics. Initially, Kent police stated that the system would be used to monitor shipping lanes and illegal immigrants, but the documents reveal that this was part of a PR strategy: 'There is potential for these [maritime] uses to be projected as a "good news" story to the public rather than more "big brother."' However, the documents talk about a much wider range of usage, such as '[detecting] theft from cash machines, preventing theft of tractors and monitoring antisocial driving,' as well as 'road and railway monitoring, search and rescue, event security and covert urban surveillance.' Also, due to the expense involved, it has also been suggested that some data could be sold off to private companies, or the drones could be used for commercial purposes."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>krou writes " According to documents obtained by the Guardian under the Freedom of Information Act , the UK police plan on deploying unmanned drones in the UK to 'revolutionize policing ' and extend domestic 'surveillance , monitoring and evidence gathering, ' which will be used in 'the routine work of the police , border authorities and other government agencies .
' The documents come from the South Coast Partnership , 'a Home Office-backed project in which Kent police and others are developing a national drone plan ' in conjunction with BAE Systems .
The stated aim is to introduce the system in time for the 2012 Olympics .
Initially , Kent police stated that the system would be used to monitor shipping lanes and illegal immigrants , but the documents reveal that this was part of a PR strategy : 'There is potential for these [ maritime ] uses to be projected as a " good news " story to the public rather than more " big brother .
" ' However , the documents talk about a much wider range of usage , such as ' [ detecting ] theft from cash machines , preventing theft of tractors and monitoring antisocial driving, ' as well as 'road and railway monitoring , search and rescue , event security and covert urban surveillance .
' Also , due to the expense involved , it has also been suggested that some data could be sold off to private companies , or the drones could be used for commercial purposes .
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<sentencetext>krou writes "According to documents obtained by the Guardian under the Freedom of Information Act, the UK police plan on deploying unmanned drones in the UK to 'revolutionize policing' and extend domestic 'surveillance, monitoring and evidence gathering,' which will be used in 'the routine work of the police, border authorities and other government agencies.
'  The documents come from the South Coast Partnership, 'a Home Office-backed project in which Kent police and others are developing a national drone plan' in conjunction with BAE Systems.
The stated aim is to introduce the system in time for the 2012 Olympics.
Initially, Kent police stated that the system would be used to monitor shipping lanes and illegal immigrants, but the documents reveal that this was part of a PR strategy: 'There is potential for these [maritime] uses to be projected as a "good news" story to the public rather than more "big brother.
"' However, the documents talk about a much wider range of usage, such as '[detecting] theft from cash machines, preventing theft of tractors and monitoring antisocial driving,' as well as 'road and railway monitoring, search and rescue, event security and covert urban surveillance.
' Also, due to the expense involved, it has also been suggested that some data could be sold off to private companies, or the drones could be used for commercial purposes.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908464</id>
	<title>We're fucked.</title>
	<author>Tibia1</author>
	<datestamp>1264537080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a defensive procedure, the drones will be equipped with rocket launchers to eliminate attackers and keep the population, err, I mean crime, under control.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a defensive procedure , the drones will be equipped with rocket launchers to eliminate attackers and keep the population , err , I mean crime , under control .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a defensive procedure, the drones will be equipped with rocket launchers to eliminate attackers and keep the population, err, I mean crime, under control.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907462</id>
	<title>Big Brother?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264533420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But Big Brother wasn't bad, he was always there to protect you...to watch out for you.  He would never hurt you.</p><p>What is really amazing isn't that they're implementing this system, it's that their rhetoric is so very similar to that from 1984.  They don't call the system or the watchers big brother, but they tell you that it's for your protection, only bad people have anything to fear, and generally have a nearly indistinguishable attitude about it.  The only difference is the name.  But not many actually read 1984 I suppose (from the general populace, geeks here not included) so most people I imagine don't realize the similarities in rhetoric.</p><p>This is obviously a bad thing, and makes me very cautious about even wanting to enter the UK.  Yikes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But Big Brother was n't bad , he was always there to protect you...to watch out for you .
He would never hurt you.What is really amazing is n't that they 're implementing this system , it 's that their rhetoric is so very similar to that from 1984 .
They do n't call the system or the watchers big brother , but they tell you that it 's for your protection , only bad people have anything to fear , and generally have a nearly indistinguishable attitude about it .
The only difference is the name .
But not many actually read 1984 I suppose ( from the general populace , geeks here not included ) so most people I imagine do n't realize the similarities in rhetoric.This is obviously a bad thing , and makes me very cautious about even wanting to enter the UK .
Yikes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But Big Brother wasn't bad, he was always there to protect you...to watch out for you.
He would never hurt you.What is really amazing isn't that they're implementing this system, it's that their rhetoric is so very similar to that from 1984.
They don't call the system or the watchers big brother, but they tell you that it's for your protection, only bad people have anything to fear, and generally have a nearly indistinguishable attitude about it.
The only difference is the name.
But not many actually read 1984 I suppose (from the general populace, geeks here not included) so most people I imagine don't realize the similarities in rhetoric.This is obviously a bad thing, and makes me very cautious about even wanting to enter the UK.
Yikes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30910088</id>
	<title>Re:Eeek</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264501320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For starters, jaywalking is an american thing, where cars are considered more important than people.</p><p>In the UK you can walk on the street if you want. Except for those new-fangled motorways that they put up in the 20th century.</p><p>Other non-crimes or differences from US include simple trespass, gambling (over 16 or 18 I'm not sure), sex (over 16), drinking (over 18, was 16 when with a meal) and prostitution (over 18, was 16).</p><p>Of course the government and local councils have pushed back on that recently with "ASBO"s which can turn non-crimes into crimes..., and new crimes have been added, like smoking (just about anywhere).</p><p>Your description sounds like every hollywood film about cops in small town america with nothing better to do than harass outsiders.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For starters , jaywalking is an american thing , where cars are considered more important than people.In the UK you can walk on the street if you want .
Except for those new-fangled motorways that they put up in the 20th century.Other non-crimes or differences from US include simple trespass , gambling ( over 16 or 18 I 'm not sure ) , sex ( over 16 ) , drinking ( over 18 , was 16 when with a meal ) and prostitution ( over 18 , was 16 ) .Of course the government and local councils have pushed back on that recently with " ASBO " s which can turn non-crimes into crimes... , and new crimes have been added , like smoking ( just about anywhere ) .Your description sounds like every hollywood film about cops in small town america with nothing better to do than harass outsiders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For starters, jaywalking is an american thing, where cars are considered more important than people.In the UK you can walk on the street if you want.
Except for those new-fangled motorways that they put up in the 20th century.Other non-crimes or differences from US include simple trespass, gambling (over 16 or 18 I'm not sure), sex (over 16), drinking (over 18, was 16 when with a meal) and prostitution (over 18, was 16).Of course the government and local councils have pushed back on that recently with "ASBO"s which can turn non-crimes into crimes..., and new crimes have been added, like smoking (just about anywhere).Your description sounds like every hollywood film about cops in small town america with nothing better to do than harass outsiders.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908078</id>
	<title>Re:Good thing they took your guns away.</title>
	<author>TiberiusMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1264535760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You'd need a MIG to shoot down a UAV.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'd need a MIG to shoot down a UAV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'd need a MIG to shoot down a UAV.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30911740</id>
	<title>Re:Good thing they took your guns away.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264509720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>In the United States, we'll shoot at helicopters with actual people in them.  If Homeland Security tried to spy on us with drones, it would become a sport to shoot them down.  And they WOULD go down, too....</p></div><p>Really?  I remember at the Republican National Convention in NY in 2004, there was a Fuji labeled blimp (balloon, actually, it was tethered)  overhead the entire time and it was supposed to be there for surveillance.  I don't recall anyone taking shots at that and it was a big, stationary target.</p></div><p>Yeah, but those were Republicans. They WANT to be slaves.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the United States , we 'll shoot at helicopters with actual people in them .
If Homeland Security tried to spy on us with drones , it would become a sport to shoot them down .
And they WOULD go down , too....Really ?
I remember at the Republican National Convention in NY in 2004 , there was a Fuji labeled blimp ( balloon , actually , it was tethered ) overhead the entire time and it was supposed to be there for surveillance .
I do n't recall anyone taking shots at that and it was a big , stationary target.Yeah , but those were Republicans .
They WANT to be slaves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the United States, we'll shoot at helicopters with actual people in them.
If Homeland Security tried to spy on us with drones, it would become a sport to shoot them down.
And they WOULD go down, too....Really?
I remember at the Republican National Convention in NY in 2004, there was a Fuji labeled blimp (balloon, actually, it was tethered)  overhead the entire time and it was supposed to be there for surveillance.
I don't recall anyone taking shots at that and it was a big, stationary target.Yeah, but those were Republicans.
They WANT to be slaves.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908008</id>
	<title>Let's gather MORE info that can be hacked</title>
	<author>professorguy</author>
	<datestamp>1264535520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>And when the massive tracking database of 'observations' is hacked and used against the populace, this will be seen as evidence of a need for MORE surveillance.
<br> <br>
When it comes to data:<br>
To PROTECT it,<br>
Don't COLLECT it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And when the massive tracking database of 'observations ' is hacked and used against the populace , this will be seen as evidence of a need for MORE surveillance .
When it comes to data : To PROTECT it , Do n't COLLECT it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And when the massive tracking database of 'observations' is hacked and used against the populace, this will be seen as evidence of a need for MORE surveillance.
When it comes to data:
To PROTECT it,
Don't COLLECT it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30911006</id>
	<title>Re:Good thing they took your guns away.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264505280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Err, we still have rifles, only handguns are banned, I'm never sure if you Yanks are trollin' when you get that wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Err , we still have rifles , only handguns are banned , I 'm never sure if you Yanks are trollin ' when you get that wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Err, we still have rifles, only handguns are banned, I'm never sure if you Yanks are trollin' when you get that wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30917040</id>
	<title>Re:Good thing they took your guns away.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264606620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not up on my high school Geography - but aren't there clouds below 20,000ft? I know certain clouds form higher than that, but there is still a decent cover at that height - and as a UK (Scot) resident I can say we certainly have heavy cloud cover 3 out 4 nights. These things are going to have to fly lower if they want anything other than thermo pictures.</p><p>Probably still not low enough to shoot at them with conventional arms - but then we don't get conventional arms anyway - but a semi-professional model flier could probably rig us up a kamikaze sacrifice that will go that high.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not up on my high school Geography - but are n't there clouds below 20,000ft ?
I know certain clouds form higher than that , but there is still a decent cover at that height - and as a UK ( Scot ) resident I can say we certainly have heavy cloud cover 3 out 4 nights .
These things are going to have to fly lower if they want anything other than thermo pictures.Probably still not low enough to shoot at them with conventional arms - but then we do n't get conventional arms anyway - but a semi-professional model flier could probably rig us up a kamikaze sacrifice that will go that high .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not up on my high school Geography - but aren't there clouds below 20,000ft?
I know certain clouds form higher than that, but there is still a decent cover at that height - and as a UK (Scot) resident I can say we certainly have heavy cloud cover 3 out 4 nights.
These things are going to have to fly lower if they want anything other than thermo pictures.Probably still not low enough to shoot at them with conventional arms - but then we don't get conventional arms anyway - but a semi-professional model flier could probably rig us up a kamikaze sacrifice that will go that high.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908384</id>
	<title>It's time for a FOIA request</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264536840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I want the blueprints for the Stinger missile.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I want the blueprints for the Stinger missile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want the blueprints for the Stinger missile.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30919034</id>
	<title>Re:Big Brother?</title>
	<author>AmiMoJo</author>
	<datestamp>1264614240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the only thing Orwell missed was the support of the media that helps the government get away with this stuff. I'm talking about Sky/ITN news or the Daily Mail - they are basically the Two Minutes Hate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the only thing Orwell missed was the support of the media that helps the government get away with this stuff .
I 'm talking about Sky/ITN news or the Daily Mail - they are basically the Two Minutes Hate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the only thing Orwell missed was the support of the media that helps the government get away with this stuff.
I'm talking about Sky/ITN news or the Daily Mail - they are basically the Two Minutes Hate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30915296</id>
	<title>on "24" season seven....</title>
	<author>DeanOh</author>
	<datestamp>1264594920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..CTU already has the skies over Manhattan filled with drones...they said so during hours 1 and 2...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..CTU already has the skies over Manhattan filled with drones...they said so during hours 1 and 2.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..CTU already has the skies over Manhattan filled with drones...they said so during hours 1 and 2...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908160</id>
	<title>Re:Commercial purposes?</title>
	<author>odin84gk</author>
	<datestamp>1264536000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Marketing information. They will gather information about the amount of foot traffic down a certain road, the demographics (white, male, middle age, family...), and the time of day they get the traffic. Companies will pay good money for that, especially one trying to determine the best location for their specialty shop.</p><p>Or, lets put a powerful projector on these, and let them project commercials directly in front of someone.</p><p>Oh! How about changing these to helicopters and hang signs on them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Marketing information .
They will gather information about the amount of foot traffic down a certain road , the demographics ( white , male , middle age , family... ) , and the time of day they get the traffic .
Companies will pay good money for that , especially one trying to determine the best location for their specialty shop.Or , lets put a powerful projector on these , and let them project commercials directly in front of someone.Oh !
How about changing these to helicopters and hang signs on them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Marketing information.
They will gather information about the amount of foot traffic down a certain road, the demographics (white, male, middle age, family...), and the time of day they get the traffic.
Companies will pay good money for that, especially one trying to determine the best location for their specialty shop.Or, lets put a powerful projector on these, and let them project commercials directly in front of someone.Oh!
How about changing these to helicopters and hang signs on them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30915106</id>
	<title>Re:Good thing they took your guns away.</title>
	<author>vegiVamp</author>
	<datestamp>1264592460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and see how many you can crash into each other ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and see how many you can crash into each other ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and see how many you can crash into each other ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907686</id>
	<title>Re:Commercial purposes?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264534380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure celebrity nude sunbathing shots are expected to be the primary revenue generation source.</p><p>Given how successful the ten jillion cameras in London have been at preventing crime I expect this will finish the criminals off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure celebrity nude sunbathing shots are expected to be the primary revenue generation source.Given how successful the ten jillion cameras in London have been at preventing crime I expect this will finish the criminals off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure celebrity nude sunbathing shots are expected to be the primary revenue generation source.Given how successful the ten jillion cameras in London have been at preventing crime I expect this will finish the criminals off.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30915306</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly Slope</title>
	<author>xaxa</author>
	<datestamp>1264595040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know ~5 people that grow tomatoes in various places (inside, balcony, garden) and none of them have ever had any trouble whatsoever.</p><p>The absolute worst possible case in the UK would be the police seized your tomato plants, then gave them back a couple of days later and said "oops, they're tomatoes".</p><p>(While trying to find if this has ever happened, I found <a href="http://www.nottinghamng9.co.uk/archive/tomato-plants-b-and-q.html" title="nottinghamng9.co.uk"> <i>Primary School teachers in the NG9 area</i> </a> [nottinghamng9.co.uk] <i> are being urged to register for free tomato plants for their class. B&amp;Q is giving away enough tomato plants for 175,000 primary school children throughout the UK to &lsquo;grow their own&rsquo; in a demonstration of its commitment to One Planet Living.</i>.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know ~ 5 people that grow tomatoes in various places ( inside , balcony , garden ) and none of them have ever had any trouble whatsoever.The absolute worst possible case in the UK would be the police seized your tomato plants , then gave them back a couple of days later and said " oops , they 're tomatoes " .
( While trying to find if this has ever happened , I found Primary School teachers in the NG9 area [ nottinghamng9.co.uk ] are being urged to register for free tomato plants for their class .
B&amp;Q is giving away enough tomato plants for 175,000 primary school children throughout the UK to    grow their own    in a demonstration of its commitment to One Planet Living.. )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know ~5 people that grow tomatoes in various places (inside, balcony, garden) and none of them have ever had any trouble whatsoever.The absolute worst possible case in the UK would be the police seized your tomato plants, then gave them back a couple of days later and said "oops, they're tomatoes".
(While trying to find if this has ever happened, I found  Primary School teachers in the NG9 area  [nottinghamng9.co.uk]  are being urged to register for free tomato plants for their class.
B&amp;Q is giving away enough tomato plants for 175,000 primary school children throughout the UK to ‘grow their own’ in a demonstration of its commitment to One Planet Living..)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30909536</id>
	<title>Re:Big Brother?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264498980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is obviously a bad thing, and makes me very cautious about even wanting to enter the UK. Yikes.</p></div><p>As opposed to being fingerprinted, photographed and grilled when entering the US?

Full marks for creating a great first impression there guys -- followed up by gun toting police all over the place


Pot meet kettle !!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is obviously a bad thing , and makes me very cautious about even wanting to enter the UK .
Yikes.As opposed to being fingerprinted , photographed and grilled when entering the US ?
Full marks for creating a great first impression there guys -- followed up by gun toting police all over the place Pot meet kettle !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is obviously a bad thing, and makes me very cautious about even wanting to enter the UK.
Yikes.As opposed to being fingerprinted, photographed and grilled when entering the US?
Full marks for creating a great first impression there guys -- followed up by gun toting police all over the place


Pot meet kettle !
!
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907984</id>
	<title>Instead of selling the data, sell the drone</title>
	<author>Shivetya</author>
	<datestamp>1264535400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the undersides and such or have it tow a big big banner.</p><p>This Surveillance Drone is sponsored by Big Brother, MTV 7pm daily.</p><p>More than likely the revenue model will be new crimes for which there is a nice monetary penalty attached.  Perhaps we can combine this with the Global Warming cabal and fine people for barbecue grills or too much outdoor lighting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the undersides and such or have it tow a big big banner.This Surveillance Drone is sponsored by Big Brother , MTV 7pm daily.More than likely the revenue model will be new crimes for which there is a nice monetary penalty attached .
Perhaps we can combine this with the Global Warming cabal and fine people for barbecue grills or too much outdoor lighting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the undersides and such or have it tow a big big banner.This Surveillance Drone is sponsored by Big Brother, MTV 7pm daily.More than likely the revenue model will be new crimes for which there is a nice monetary penalty attached.
Perhaps we can combine this with the Global Warming cabal and fine people for barbecue grills or too much outdoor lighting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908986</id>
	<title>Re:Eeek</title>
	<author>krou</author>
	<datestamp>1264496520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can confirm this behaviour from first hand experience. A mate of mine has a car that's probably considered the type to be driven by a boy racer. On the way back from lunch one day, we noticed a cop car tailing us all the way back to our office. It even followed us up a private road and, when they saw us park and get out, they did a U-turn and drove off. I asked my mate what that was all about, and he said he often gets coppers following him for no reason. It's basically them looking for easy targets, probably to meet quotas.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can confirm this behaviour from first hand experience .
A mate of mine has a car that 's probably considered the type to be driven by a boy racer .
On the way back from lunch one day , we noticed a cop car tailing us all the way back to our office .
It even followed us up a private road and , when they saw us park and get out , they did a U-turn and drove off .
I asked my mate what that was all about , and he said he often gets coppers following him for no reason .
It 's basically them looking for easy targets , probably to meet quotas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can confirm this behaviour from first hand experience.
A mate of mine has a car that's probably considered the type to be driven by a boy racer.
On the way back from lunch one day, we noticed a cop car tailing us all the way back to our office.
It even followed us up a private road and, when they saw us park and get out, they did a U-turn and drove off.
I asked my mate what that was all about, and he said he often gets coppers following him for no reason.
It's basically them looking for easy targets, probably to meet quotas.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907880</id>
	<title>I love Big Brother</title>
	<author>Vinegar Joe</author>
	<datestamp>1264535040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Strong and peaceful, wise and brave, Fighting the fight for the whole world to save, We the people will ceaselessly strive To keep our great revolution alive! Unfurl the banners! Look at the screen! Never before has such glory been seen! Oceania! Oceania! Oceania, 'tis for thee! Every deed, every thought, 'tis for thee! Every deed, every thought, 'tis for thee! Every deed, every thought, 'tis for thee!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Strong and peaceful , wise and brave , Fighting the fight for the whole world to save , We the people will ceaselessly strive To keep our great revolution alive !
Unfurl the banners !
Look at the screen !
Never before has such glory been seen !
Oceania ! Oceania !
Oceania , 't is for thee !
Every deed , every thought , 't is for thee !
Every deed , every thought , 't is for thee !
Every deed , every thought , 't is for thee !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Strong and peaceful, wise and brave, Fighting the fight for the whole world to save, We the people will ceaselessly strive To keep our great revolution alive!
Unfurl the banners!
Look at the screen!
Never before has such glory been seen!
Oceania! Oceania!
Oceania, 'tis for thee!
Every deed, every thought, 'tis for thee!
Every deed, every thought, 'tis for thee!
Every deed, every thought, 'tis for thee!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908926</id>
	<title>Eurasia</title>
	<author>xyph0r</author>
	<datestamp>1264539360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>But we've always been at war with eurasia.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But we 've always been at war with eurasia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But we've always been at war with eurasia.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30910448</id>
	<title>Re:Poor U.K.</title>
	<author>jo\_ham</author>
	<datestamp>1264502760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you have a misunderstanding of what it is like to live in Britain. Where did you get your information from? Have you actually lived here?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you have a misunderstanding of what it is like to live in Britain .
Where did you get your information from ?
Have you actually lived here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you have a misunderstanding of what it is like to live in Britain.
Where did you get your information from?
Have you actually lived here?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30909742</id>
	<title>Mod abuse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264499760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Stupid, uninformed opinion" != "Troll"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Stupid , uninformed opinion " ! = " Troll "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Stupid, uninformed opinion" != "Troll"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30910292</id>
	<title>Re:Antisocial driving?</title>
	<author>justgetmein</author>
	<datestamp>1264502100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would like to point out that while Antisocial behavior is commonly known as having poor social skills among other things it's actually very different for that it really is.

 <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial\_personality\_disorder" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Antisocial</a> [wikipedia.org] to paraphrase it means to not give a shit about others and the rules in our society.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would like to point out that while Antisocial behavior is commonly known as having poor social skills among other things it 's actually very different for that it really is .
Antisocial [ wikipedia.org ] to paraphrase it means to not give a shit about others and the rules in our society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would like to point out that while Antisocial behavior is commonly known as having poor social skills among other things it's actually very different for that it really is.
Antisocial [wikipedia.org] to paraphrase it means to not give a shit about others and the rules in our society.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908716</id>
	<title>Old News</title>
	<author>b4upoo</author>
	<datestamp>1264538460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>      Air surveillance of criminals by fixed wing aircraft, as well as high altitude balloons and satellites has been the norm over some American cities for at least two decades. We even have robotic, miniature submarines that hunt vessels used by drug runners. What most bad guys don't know is how distant a fixed wing aircraft can be and still track a vehicle. In essence if anyone ever wanted to be a criminal the era has come and gone for them. These days they will be caught even though cops may wait years to actually make the arrests which enables them to establish career criminal status and lock these fools up for life without parole.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Air surveillance of criminals by fixed wing aircraft , as well as high altitude balloons and satellites has been the norm over some American cities for at least two decades .
We even have robotic , miniature submarines that hunt vessels used by drug runners .
What most bad guys do n't know is how distant a fixed wing aircraft can be and still track a vehicle .
In essence if anyone ever wanted to be a criminal the era has come and gone for them .
These days they will be caught even though cops may wait years to actually make the arrests which enables them to establish career criminal status and lock these fools up for life without parole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>      Air surveillance of criminals by fixed wing aircraft, as well as high altitude balloons and satellites has been the norm over some American cities for at least two decades.
We even have robotic, miniature submarines that hunt vessels used by drug runners.
What most bad guys don't know is how distant a fixed wing aircraft can be and still track a vehicle.
In essence if anyone ever wanted to be a criminal the era has come and gone for them.
These days they will be caught even though cops may wait years to actually make the arrests which enables them to establish career criminal status and lock these fools up for life without parole.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907648</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly Slope</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264534200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>They get a surprisingly good picture through curtains.  If your on a military base at night, you can often tell which barracks the women are in because the guards sight each of the windows through their scopes as they pass on patrol...</htmltext>
<tokenext>They get a surprisingly good picture through curtains .
If your on a military base at night , you can often tell which barracks the women are in because the guards sight each of the windows through their scopes as they pass on patrol.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They get a surprisingly good picture through curtains.
If your on a military base at night, you can often tell which barracks the women are in because the guards sight each of the windows through their scopes as they pass on patrol...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30916286</id>
	<title>Excellent idea</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1264603020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this is a great idea, I mean for every police station out there, I also think they should legalize being able to use infrared to know the speed a car is going, so you send out your drones, and they do the speed ticketing/radar gun replacement. Less money on manpower, and less money on gas and repairs on vehicles.</p><p>You could also us them to ascertain the status of a situation before going in guns blazing, such as a hostage situation.<br>You could also use them to cover a whole city with about 10 of these drones at all times, so as to need eyes at certain spots for<br>traffic situation, or for helping someone know where a suspect is running to if they are on foot, and faster then the cops<br>
&nbsp; (cus they love to the eat jelly doughnuts)....so less criminals would get away.</p><p>Many uses for the cops in present day situation, I am wondering why they just caught on now???</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is a great idea , I mean for every police station out there , I also think they should legalize being able to use infrared to know the speed a car is going , so you send out your drones , and they do the speed ticketing/radar gun replacement .
Less money on manpower , and less money on gas and repairs on vehicles.You could also us them to ascertain the status of a situation before going in guns blazing , such as a hostage situation.You could also use them to cover a whole city with about 10 of these drones at all times , so as to need eyes at certain spots fortraffic situation , or for helping someone know where a suspect is running to if they are on foot , and faster then the cops   ( cus they love to the eat jelly doughnuts ) ....so less criminals would get away.Many uses for the cops in present day situation , I am wondering why they just caught on now ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is a great idea, I mean for every police station out there, I also think they should legalize being able to use infrared to know the speed a car is going, so you send out your drones, and they do the speed ticketing/radar gun replacement.
Less money on manpower, and less money on gas and repairs on vehicles.You could also us them to ascertain the status of a situation before going in guns blazing, such as a hostage situation.You could also use them to cover a whole city with about 10 of these drones at all times, so as to need eyes at certain spots fortraffic situation, or for helping someone know where a suspect is running to if they are on foot, and faster then the cops
  (cus they love to the eat jelly doughnuts)....so less criminals would get away.Many uses for the cops in present day situation, I am wondering why they just caught on now??
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30912620</id>
	<title>Re:Antisocial driving?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264516200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p> preventing theft of tractors and monitoring <b>antisocial driving</b> </p></div><p>What the heck is 'antisocial driving'?  A car driving separate from the other cars because it is shy and lacks social skills?</p></div><p>Alas, it's British Newspeak for "driving at a speed we can fine you for, but don't need to ban you reducing further tax income"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>preventing theft of tractors and monitoring antisocial driving What the heck is 'antisocial driving ' ?
A car driving separate from the other cars because it is shy and lacks social skills ? Alas , it 's British Newspeak for " driving at a speed we can fine you for , but do n't need to ban you reducing further tax income "</tokentext>
<sentencetext> preventing theft of tractors and monitoring antisocial driving What the heck is 'antisocial driving'?
A car driving separate from the other cars because it is shy and lacks social skills?Alas, it's British Newspeak for "driving at a speed we can fine you for, but don't need to ban you reducing further tax income"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908828</id>
	<title>One thing comes to mind:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264538940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Aeon Flux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Aeon Flux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aeon Flux.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908692</id>
	<title>Re:Big Brother?</title>
	<author>russotto</author>
	<datestamp>1264538340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What is really amazing isn't that they're implementing this system, it's that their rhetoric is so very similar to that from 1984.</p></div></blockquote><p>Why should they change it just because some tosser wrote a novel?  They were using it before 1948 and they never stopped.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What is really amazing is n't that they 're implementing this system , it 's that their rhetoric is so very similar to that from 1984.Why should they change it just because some tosser wrote a novel ?
They were using it before 1948 and they never stopped .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is really amazing isn't that they're implementing this system, it's that their rhetoric is so very similar to that from 1984.Why should they change it just because some tosser wrote a novel?
They were using it before 1948 and they never stopped.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30909868</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to see here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264500300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The fear mongering is purely political. There's a whole bunch of malcontents on the left and right who are pissed that they're not the ones in power so are screaming civil liberties or shroud waving. Reality check: anyone who knows anything about crime knows the value of a hunch and embracing technology to erode the criminals technology advantage. The big joke is the people looking wide eyed and foaming at the mouth about all this are the very idiots who are in danger of ushering in feudal horrors and barbarism.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fear mongering is purely political .
There 's a whole bunch of malcontents on the left and right who are pissed that they 're not the ones in power so are screaming civil liberties or shroud waving .
Reality check : anyone who knows anything about crime knows the value of a hunch and embracing technology to erode the criminals technology advantage .
The big joke is the people looking wide eyed and foaming at the mouth about all this are the very idiots who are in danger of ushering in feudal horrors and barbarism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fear mongering is purely political.
There's a whole bunch of malcontents on the left and right who are pissed that they're not the ones in power so are screaming civil liberties or shroud waving.
Reality check: anyone who knows anything about crime knows the value of a hunch and embracing technology to erode the criminals technology advantage.
The big joke is the people looking wide eyed and foaming at the mouth about all this are the very idiots who are in danger of ushering in feudal horrors and barbarism.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30910562</id>
	<title>24 is future with the tech they they have there.</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1264503120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>24 is future with the tech they they have there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>24 is future with the tech they they have there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>24 is future with the tech they they have there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30915016</id>
	<title>Auto-Stockwell</title>
	<author>dugeen</author>
	<datestamp>1264591320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Technology will give the police the power they need to mercilessly gun down hundreds of people in tube stations simultaneously, rather than one at a time as they used to. Also, auto-fabricators will be able to make up a misleading account of events in each case. But it is excellent to see further association of the Blair olympics with authoritarianism: a few more stories like this and the connection will be inescapable. But what did they expect when they started the whole charade by allowing the Chinese secret police to beat up protestors on the streets of London during the 2008 torch procession, as the police and 2012 collaboration committee looked on?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Technology will give the police the power they need to mercilessly gun down hundreds of people in tube stations simultaneously , rather than one at a time as they used to .
Also , auto-fabricators will be able to make up a misleading account of events in each case .
But it is excellent to see further association of the Blair olympics with authoritarianism : a few more stories like this and the connection will be inescapable .
But what did they expect when they started the whole charade by allowing the Chinese secret police to beat up protestors on the streets of London during the 2008 torch procession , as the police and 2012 collaboration committee looked on ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Technology will give the police the power they need to mercilessly gun down hundreds of people in tube stations simultaneously, rather than one at a time as they used to.
Also, auto-fabricators will be able to make up a misleading account of events in each case.
But it is excellent to see further association of the Blair olympics with authoritarianism: a few more stories like this and the connection will be inescapable.
But what did they expect when they started the whole charade by allowing the Chinese secret police to beat up protestors on the streets of London during the 2008 torch procession, as the police and 2012 collaboration committee looked on?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30909806</id>
	<title>Re:Good thing they took your guns away.</title>
	<author>w0mprat</author>
	<datestamp>1264500000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your moderation is deserved. Your username is apt even.
<br> <br>
However you neglect to mention death and injury from drones falling out of the sky. I doubt people will take pot shots at UAVs in the UK, however a cheap laserpointer would render it blind or cause it crash.
<br> <br>
This would not go down well stateside, first lawsuit and it's all over.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your moderation is deserved .
Your username is apt even .
However you neglect to mention death and injury from drones falling out of the sky .
I doubt people will take pot shots at UAVs in the UK , however a cheap laserpointer would render it blind or cause it crash .
This would not go down well stateside , first lawsuit and it 's all over .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your moderation is deserved.
Your username is apt even.
However you neglect to mention death and injury from drones falling out of the sky.
I doubt people will take pot shots at UAVs in the UK, however a cheap laserpointer would render it blind or cause it crash.
This would not go down well stateside, first lawsuit and it's all over.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30949840</id>
	<title>Re:Antisocial driving?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1264782600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess it&rsquo;s also called &ldquo;driving like in GTA&rdquo;. ^^</p><p>Of course the cops will actually have the power to call everything antisocial driving for any made-up or strawman reason. (And will be instructed to *exclusively* drive antisocial / Hollywood chase style.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess it    s also called    driving like in GTA    .
^ ^ Of course the cops will actually have the power to call everything antisocial driving for any made-up or strawman reason .
( And will be instructed to * exclusively * drive antisocial / Hollywood chase style .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess it’s also called “driving like in GTA”.
^^Of course the cops will actually have the power to call everything antisocial driving for any made-up or strawman reason.
(And will be instructed to *exclusively* drive antisocial / Hollywood chase style.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908612</id>
	<title>Obligatory Clockwork Orange Reference</title>
	<author>Xeleema</author>
	<datestamp>1264537860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why is it <b>*every*</b> time I hear something about the UK and their "latest idea" for "policing the masses", I wind up getting flashbacks of a certain Stanly Kubrick movie????
Seriously, that man was <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066921/" title="imdb.com" rel="nofollow">warning</a> [imdb.com] you people!
(specifically the part where Alex DeLarge's ex-gangbanger friends wind up as cops)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is it * every * time I hear something about the UK and their " latest idea " for " policing the masses " , I wind up getting flashbacks of a certain Stanly Kubrick movie ? ? ? ?
Seriously , that man was warning [ imdb.com ] you people !
( specifically the part where Alex DeLarge 's ex-gangbanger friends wind up as cops )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is it *every* time I hear something about the UK and their "latest idea" for "policing the masses", I wind up getting flashbacks of a certain Stanly Kubrick movie????
Seriously, that man was warning [imdb.com] you people!
(specifically the part where Alex DeLarge's ex-gangbanger friends wind up as cops)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907820</id>
	<title>Nothing to see here</title>
	<author>sponga</author>
	<datestamp>1264534860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly what the difference between using these UAV's and the helicopters that they have already been flying for over a decade, these helicopters have long had the ability to do infrared/night vision. So don't act shocked. Also I see a couple references to 1984 and some fear mongering about it "peering into the windows in my home"; well that is simply fear mongering and don't stress yourself out mentally over it.</p><p>These UAV's fly at a certain elevation like they do in America they have to register with their equivalent of the FCC(UK Civil Aviation Authority), so it's not like these UAV's are gonna be flying down in the streets between buildings and looking at people.</p><p>If anything I would think this would be a money saver from having to pay 2 pilots six figures and heavy maintenance with a regular helicopter.</p><p>You say the word 'UAV' and there is a knee jerk reaction around here to yell about privacy and 1984 for some reason.</p><p>Anyways here's a decent link to actually look at what the UAV might look like, although they might scale it down for police use.<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE\_HERTI" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE\_HERTI</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly what the difference between using these UAV 's and the helicopters that they have already been flying for over a decade , these helicopters have long had the ability to do infrared/night vision .
So do n't act shocked .
Also I see a couple references to 1984 and some fear mongering about it " peering into the windows in my home " ; well that is simply fear mongering and do n't stress yourself out mentally over it.These UAV 's fly at a certain elevation like they do in America they have to register with their equivalent of the FCC ( UK Civil Aviation Authority ) , so it 's not like these UAV 's are gon na be flying down in the streets between buildings and looking at people.If anything I would think this would be a money saver from having to pay 2 pilots six figures and heavy maintenance with a regular helicopter.You say the word 'UAV ' and there is a knee jerk reaction around here to yell about privacy and 1984 for some reason.Anyways here 's a decent link to actually look at what the UAV might look like , although they might scale it down for police use.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE \ _HERTI [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly what the difference between using these UAV's and the helicopters that they have already been flying for over a decade, these helicopters have long had the ability to do infrared/night vision.
So don't act shocked.
Also I see a couple references to 1984 and some fear mongering about it "peering into the windows in my home"; well that is simply fear mongering and don't stress yourself out mentally over it.These UAV's fly at a certain elevation like they do in America they have to register with their equivalent of the FCC(UK Civil Aviation Authority), so it's not like these UAV's are gonna be flying down in the streets between buildings and looking at people.If anything I would think this would be a money saver from having to pay 2 pilots six figures and heavy maintenance with a regular helicopter.You say the word 'UAV' and there is a knee jerk reaction around here to yell about privacy and 1984 for some reason.Anyways here's a decent link to actually look at what the UAV might look like, although they might scale it down for police use.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE\_HERTI [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30911548</id>
	<title>Next up?</title>
	<author>Lost Penguin</author>
	<datestamp>1264508640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How long till they admit these are armed drones?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How long till they admit these are armed drones ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How long till they admit these are armed drones?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908178</id>
	<title>Smile for the camera</title>
	<author>zehaeva</author>
	<datestamp>1264536060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why is this really necessary for the UK? Don't you folks have like 1 camera for every 10(or is it 15?) people? Is that not enough? Do you really need more surveillance? Why not better utilize the surveillance you currently have? Why add under utilized surveillance on top of under utilized surveillance? I don't understand. ~Z</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is this really necessary for the UK ?
Do n't you folks have like 1 camera for every 10 ( or is it 15 ?
) people ?
Is that not enough ?
Do you really need more surveillance ?
Why not better utilize the surveillance you currently have ?
Why add under utilized surveillance on top of under utilized surveillance ?
I do n't understand .
~ Z</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is this really necessary for the UK?
Don't you folks have like 1 camera for every 10(or is it 15?
) people?
Is that not enough?
Do you really need more surveillance?
Why not better utilize the surveillance you currently have?
Why add under utilized surveillance on top of under utilized surveillance?
I don't understand.
~Z</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30910038</id>
	<title>Lets screw drivers AGAIN</title>
	<author>JustNiz</author>
	<datestamp>1264501020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt; a much wider range of usage, such as '[detecting] theft from cash machines, preventing theft of tractors and monitoring antisocial driving,'</p><p>Ahh the truth will out. Has there been an country-wide epidemic of tractor thefts recently? Is it practical to use an aircraft that can't hover to surveil ATMs? I think not. Now guess which one they REALLY want drones for.</p><p>I really can't imagine that our wonderful police would generate all those lame excuses just to cover up that they really just want drones as yet another way to generate even more revenue from drivers that momentarily stray over already devisively low speed limits. Surely not. </p><p>When will the police actually go after real criminals instead of finding new and devious ways to repeatedly bully soft targets like us road users?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; a much wider range of usage , such as ' [ detecting ] theft from cash machines , preventing theft of tractors and monitoring antisocial driving,'Ahh the truth will out .
Has there been an country-wide epidemic of tractor thefts recently ?
Is it practical to use an aircraft that ca n't hover to surveil ATMs ?
I think not .
Now guess which one they REALLY want drones for.I really ca n't imagine that our wonderful police would generate all those lame excuses just to cover up that they really just want drones as yet another way to generate even more revenue from drivers that momentarily stray over already devisively low speed limits .
Surely not .
When will the police actually go after real criminals instead of finding new and devious ways to repeatedly bully soft targets like us road users ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt; a much wider range of usage, such as '[detecting] theft from cash machines, preventing theft of tractors and monitoring antisocial driving,'Ahh the truth will out.
Has there been an country-wide epidemic of tractor thefts recently?
Is it practical to use an aircraft that can't hover to surveil ATMs?
I think not.
Now guess which one they REALLY want drones for.I really can't imagine that our wonderful police would generate all those lame excuses just to cover up that they really just want drones as yet another way to generate even more revenue from drivers that momentarily stray over already devisively low speed limits.
Surely not.
When will the police actually go after real criminals instead of finding new and devious ways to repeatedly bully soft targets like us road users?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908766</id>
	<title>Re:Eeek</title>
	<author>Akira Kogami</author>
	<datestamp>1264538700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is probably the first post I've seen on the internet actually respectful of the police in a long, looooooong time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is probably the first post I 've seen on the internet actually respectful of the police in a long , looooooong time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is probably the first post I've seen on the internet actually respectful of the police in a long, looooooong time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907798</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907982</id>
	<title>Re:Good thing they took your guns away.</title>
	<author>ArcherB</author>
	<datestamp>1264535400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In the United States, we'll shoot at helicopters with actual people in them.  If Homeland Security tried to spy on us with drones, it would become a sport to shoot them down.  And they WOULD go down, too....</p></div><p>Really?  I remember at the Republican National Convention in NY in 2004, there was a Fuji labeled blimp (balloon, actually, it was tethered)  overhead the entire time and it was supposed to be there for surveillance.  I don't recall anyone taking shots at that and it was a big, stationary target.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the United States , we 'll shoot at helicopters with actual people in them .
If Homeland Security tried to spy on us with drones , it would become a sport to shoot them down .
And they WOULD go down , too....Really ?
I remember at the Republican National Convention in NY in 2004 , there was a Fuji labeled blimp ( balloon , actually , it was tethered ) overhead the entire time and it was supposed to be there for surveillance .
I do n't recall anyone taking shots at that and it was a big , stationary target .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the United States, we'll shoot at helicopters with actual people in them.
If Homeland Security tried to spy on us with drones, it would become a sport to shoot them down.
And they WOULD go down, too....Really?
I remember at the Republican National Convention in NY in 2004, there was a Fuji labeled blimp (balloon, actually, it was tethered)  overhead the entire time and it was supposed to be there for surveillance.
I don't recall anyone taking shots at that and it was a big, stationary target.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907560</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30910236</id>
	<title>Is this really it?</title>
	<author>JustNiz</author>
	<datestamp>1264501860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is this really what my grandad fought to defend with is life in world war 2?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this really what my grandad fought to defend with is life in world war 2 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this really what my grandad fought to defend with is life in world war 2?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30913382</id>
	<title>Re:Eeek</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264524480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Now is this same thing going to be commonplace with drones overhead? Are officers going to look for anyone they find interesting and purposely waste time following them until the person does \_anything\_ to trip probable cause?"</p><p>Yes, drive around and waste time.  WTF ELSE IS THE GUY GETTING PAID TO DO?!  IT'S HIS JOB TO BE OUT THERE LOOKING FOR SHIT, AND IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE GOING ON WTF IS WRONG WITH USING HIS TIME TO FOLLOW SOMEONE?</p><p>You dumb fucks want to have police on your doorstep in 15 seconds or less when some shit happens to you, and it's all the pd's fault when they arrive 2 minutes later, and yet you can't stomach the cost of paying the men and women of the police force to be available so that they CAN respond that quickly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Now is this same thing going to be commonplace with drones overhead ?
Are officers going to look for anyone they find interesting and purposely waste time following them until the person does \ _anything \ _ to trip probable cause ?
" Yes , drive around and waste time .
WTF ELSE IS THE GUY GETTING PAID TO DO ? !
IT 'S HIS JOB TO BE OUT THERE LOOKING FOR SHIT , AND IF THERE 'S NOTHING ELSE GOING ON WTF IS WRONG WITH USING HIS TIME TO FOLLOW SOMEONE ? You dumb fucks want to have police on your doorstep in 15 seconds or less when some shit happens to you , and it 's all the pd 's fault when they arrive 2 minutes later , and yet you ca n't stomach the cost of paying the men and women of the police force to be available so that they CAN respond that quickly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Now is this same thing going to be commonplace with drones overhead?
Are officers going to look for anyone they find interesting and purposely waste time following them until the person does \_anything\_ to trip probable cause?
"Yes, drive around and waste time.
WTF ELSE IS THE GUY GETTING PAID TO DO?!
IT'S HIS JOB TO BE OUT THERE LOOKING FOR SHIT, AND IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE GOING ON WTF IS WRONG WITH USING HIS TIME TO FOLLOW SOMEONE?You dumb fucks want to have police on your doorstep in 15 seconds or less when some shit happens to you, and it's all the pd's fault when they arrive 2 minutes later, and yet you can't stomach the cost of paying the men and women of the police force to be available so that they CAN respond that quickly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907798</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907996</id>
	<title>Sigh</title>
	<author>ThatsNotPudding</author>
	<datestamp>1264535460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wasn't there a UK study released last year that showed all their CCTV's didn't make a thimble's worth difference on the crime stats?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Was n't there a UK study released last year that showed all their CCTV 's did n't make a thimble 's worth difference on the crime stats ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wasn't there a UK study released last year that showed all their CCTV's didn't make a thimble's worth difference on the crime stats?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908096</id>
	<title>Britannia is lost</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264535820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Britannia is lost. Former empire is now a police-state. V (original comic) was right.
<p>
Really - only criminals (predominantly of foreign (muslim) origin) carrying guns, police carrying MP5s at every streetcorner, all kinds of surveillance running rampant.
</p><p>
Britain is gone. British no longer have the will or the means to save themselves, they have already in spirit surrendered to muslims and while the process will take some time, it will happen unless they find a fucking clue and stop treating their own british-born citizen like sheep.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Britannia is lost .
Former empire is now a police-state .
V ( original comic ) was right .
Really - only criminals ( predominantly of foreign ( muslim ) origin ) carrying guns , police carrying MP5s at every streetcorner , all kinds of surveillance running rampant .
Britain is gone .
British no longer have the will or the means to save themselves , they have already in spirit surrendered to muslims and while the process will take some time , it will happen unless they find a fucking clue and stop treating their own british-born citizen like sheep .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Britannia is lost.
Former empire is now a police-state.
V (original comic) was right.
Really - only criminals (predominantly of foreign (muslim) origin) carrying guns, police carrying MP5s at every streetcorner, all kinds of surveillance running rampant.
Britain is gone.
British no longer have the will or the means to save themselves, they have already in spirit surrendered to muslims and while the process will take some time, it will happen unless they find a fucking clue and stop treating their own british-born citizen like sheep.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30914456</id>
	<title>It's going to be something like this:</title>
	<author>dushkin</author>
	<datestamp>1264624680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Exterminate" repeated politely with an English accent by a monocle-wearing robot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Exterminate " repeated politely with an English accent by a monocle-wearing robot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Exterminate" repeated politely with an English accent by a monocle-wearing robot.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30911462</id>
	<title>seriously</title>
	<author>memnock</author>
	<datestamp>1264508100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is there no limit to the police's (State's) powers in England?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is there no limit to the police 's ( State 's ) powers in England ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is there no limit to the police's (State's) powers in England?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30911640</id>
	<title>Missiles away !!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264509240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are they coming equipped with missiles ? That would provide an extra thrill to public life as we know it !!!<br>If Brits do no to go to Afghanistan,  Afghanistan Spy Drones can come to haunt Brits in their own country ! What an extraordinary and exotic place Britain is turning into !!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are they coming equipped with missiles ?
That would provide an extra thrill to public life as we know it ! !
! If Brits do no to go to Afghanistan , Afghanistan Spy Drones can come to haunt Brits in their own country !
What an extraordinary and exotic place Britain is turning into ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are they coming equipped with missiles ?
That would provide an extra thrill to public life as we know it !!
!If Brits do no to go to Afghanistan,  Afghanistan Spy Drones can come to haunt Brits in their own country !
What an extraordinary and exotic place Britain is turning into !!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30909070</id>
	<title>Poor U.K.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264496880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've nothing but sympathy for the people of the U.K. They can't have guns to counter extreme government. They are taxed to the hilt to pay for their own persecution. They've put up with this and more for years while dealing with social class as being somehow important. Yet they seem<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,by and large to remain fairly jolly and rationalize their sodomizing by the government as necessary for all.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Humans long to live free with government playing a small role. The U.K., Australia, Canada and soon the U.S. are the opposite of this.<br>Perhaps we should stage a world revolution at some point, overthrow the lot of them and just start over. If not for ourselves, then for those to come.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've nothing but sympathy for the people of the U.K. They ca n't have guns to counter extreme government .
They are taxed to the hilt to pay for their own persecution .
They 've put up with this and more for years while dealing with social class as being somehow important .
Yet they seem ,by and large to remain fairly jolly and rationalize their sodomizing by the government as necessary for all .
        Humans long to live free with government playing a small role .
The U.K. , Australia , Canada and soon the U.S. are the opposite of this.Perhaps we should stage a world revolution at some point , overthrow the lot of them and just start over .
If not for ourselves , then for those to come .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've nothing but sympathy for the people of the U.K. They can't have guns to counter extreme government.
They are taxed to the hilt to pay for their own persecution.
They've put up with this and more for years while dealing with social class as being somehow important.
Yet they seem ,by and large to remain fairly jolly and rationalize their sodomizing by the government as necessary for all.
        Humans long to live free with government playing a small role.
The U.K., Australia, Canada and soon the U.S. are the opposite of this.Perhaps we should stage a world revolution at some point, overthrow the lot of them and just start over.
If not for ourselves, then for those to come.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907898</id>
	<title>Re:Good thing they took your guns away.</title>
	<author>1s44c</author>
	<datestamp>1264535160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In the United States, we'll shoot at helicopters with actual people in them.  If Homeland Security tried to spy on us with drones, it would become a sport to shoot them down.  And they WOULD go down, too.  Lots of expensive wreckage.</p></div><p>These drones go 20,000ft high, you can't even see them yet alone shoot at them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the United States , we 'll shoot at helicopters with actual people in them .
If Homeland Security tried to spy on us with drones , it would become a sport to shoot them down .
And they WOULD go down , too .
Lots of expensive wreckage.These drones go 20,000ft high , you ca n't even see them yet alone shoot at them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the United States, we'll shoot at helicopters with actual people in them.
If Homeland Security tried to spy on us with drones, it would become a sport to shoot them down.
And they WOULD go down, too.
Lots of expensive wreckage.These drones go 20,000ft high, you can't even see them yet alone shoot at them.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907560</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908424</id>
	<title>So</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264536900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So now UK cops will be able to "look down dresses" and follow scantily clad females remotely, with video to take home afterward?  COOL!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So now UK cops will be able to " look down dresses " and follow scantily clad females remotely , with video to take home afterward ?
COOL !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So now UK cops will be able to "look down dresses" and follow scantily clad females remotely, with video to take home afterward?
COOL!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908492</id>
	<title>oblig Robin Williams</title>
	<author>nih</author>
	<datestamp>1264537200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Stop!, or I'll say stop again!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop ! , or I 'll say stop again !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop!, or I'll say stop again!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907468</id>
	<title>Commercial purposes?</title>
	<author>click2005</author>
	<datestamp>1264533420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>'[detecting] theft from cash machines, preventing theft of tractors and monitoring antisocial driving,'</i></p><p>They're either going to have tens of thousands of them or hoping to get really lucky.</p><p><i>Also, due to the expense involved, it has also been suggested that some data could be sold off to private companies, or the drones could be used for commercial purposes</i></p><p>So we'll see TV shows featuring footage captured by drones?</p><p>Google might buy it too but if its targeting people it'll make obscuring faces harder.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>' [ detecting ] theft from cash machines , preventing theft of tractors and monitoring antisocial driving,'They 're either going to have tens of thousands of them or hoping to get really lucky.Also , due to the expense involved , it has also been suggested that some data could be sold off to private companies , or the drones could be used for commercial purposesSo we 'll see TV shows featuring footage captured by drones ? Google might buy it too but if its targeting people it 'll make obscuring faces harder .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'[detecting] theft from cash machines, preventing theft of tractors and monitoring antisocial driving,'They're either going to have tens of thousands of them or hoping to get really lucky.Also, due to the expense involved, it has also been suggested that some data could be sold off to private companies, or the drones could be used for commercial purposesSo we'll see TV shows featuring footage captured by drones?Google might buy it too but if its targeting people it'll make obscuring faces harder.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907850</id>
	<title>Re:Good thing they took your guns away.</title>
	<author>mhajicek</author>
	<datestamp>1264534920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds like a good application for hackers; don't shoot them down, commandeer them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like a good application for hackers ; do n't shoot them down , commandeer them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like a good application for hackers; don't shoot them down, commandeer them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907560</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907888</id>
	<title>Re:Good thing they took your guns away.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264535100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In the United States, we'll shoot at helicopters with actual people in them. If Homeland Security tried to spy on us with drones, it would become a sport to shoot them down. And they WOULD go down, too. Lots of expensive wreckage.</p></div><p>As much as I love the 2nd amendment, you do realize that most small arms top out at 10,000 feet and these drones fly around 20,000 feet or higher, right?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the United States , we 'll shoot at helicopters with actual people in them .
If Homeland Security tried to spy on us with drones , it would become a sport to shoot them down .
And they WOULD go down , too .
Lots of expensive wreckage.As much as I love the 2nd amendment , you do realize that most small arms top out at 10,000 feet and these drones fly around 20,000 feet or higher , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the United States, we'll shoot at helicopters with actual people in them.
If Homeland Security tried to spy on us with drones, it would become a sport to shoot them down.
And they WOULD go down, too.
Lots of expensive wreckage.As much as I love the 2nd amendment, you do realize that most small arms top out at 10,000 feet and these drones fly around 20,000 feet or higher, right?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30912128</id>
	<title>Re:Antisocial driving?</title>
	<author>Skal Tura</author>
	<datestamp>1264512600000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i love the fact that all of sudden all crimes etc. are suddenly "antisocial behaviour"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D which can be extended to all kinds of "misbehaving in the eyes of goverment". I wonder when there's going to be general laws against antisocial behaviour<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... At that point, it's going to be total police state</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i love the fact that all of sudden all crimes etc .
are suddenly " antisocial behaviour " : D which can be extended to all kinds of " misbehaving in the eyes of goverment " .
I wonder when there 's going to be general laws against antisocial behaviour ... At that point , it 's going to be total police state</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i love the fact that all of sudden all crimes etc.
are suddenly "antisocial behaviour" :D which can be extended to all kinds of "misbehaving in the eyes of goverment".
I wonder when there's going to be general laws against antisocial behaviour ... At that point, it's going to be total police state</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907946</id>
	<title>Even less effective than street level cameras?</title>
	<author>hol</author>
	<datestamp>1264535340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I guess this had to happen. Full fail for street level cameras for billions, so the only option left is to go full retard.</p><p>One cannot even argue that this is a responsible use of public funds:</p><p>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6082530/1000-CCTV-cameras-to-solve-just-one-crime-Met-Police-admits.html</p><p>Of course, tourist photos must be deleted though, you know, in the name of public safety. Where is the "shake my head in disbelief" animated icon again?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I guess this had to happen .
Full fail for street level cameras for billions , so the only option left is to go full retard.One can not even argue that this is a responsible use of public funds : http : //www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6082530/1000-CCTV-cameras-to-solve-just-one-crime-Met-Police-admits.htmlOf course , tourist photos must be deleted though , you know , in the name of public safety .
Where is the " shake my head in disbelief " animated icon again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I guess this had to happen.
Full fail for street level cameras for billions, so the only option left is to go full retard.One cannot even argue that this is a responsible use of public funds:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6082530/1000-CCTV-cameras-to-solve-just-one-crime-Met-Police-admits.htmlOf course, tourist photos must be deleted though, you know, in the name of public safety.
Where is the "shake my head in disbelief" animated icon again?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30926470</id>
	<title>Re:Good thing they took your guns away.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264592460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>You don't necessarily need a to shoot down the drone. Improvising other methods may work too.</p><p><a href="http://photo.net/digital-camera-forum/00AJkN" title="photo.net" rel="nofollow">Rumor is that CCD sensors in cameras are susceptible to burn-in.</a> [photo.net] A laser pointer or an improvised lasing device (<a href="http://www.metacafe.com/watch/756433/laser\_flashlight\_hack" title="metacafe.com" rel="nofollow">made with some components from an old or broken CD or DVD burner and an old flashlight</a> [metacafe.com]), and a bit of luck (at least for moving or obscured cameras), you might make it an expensive game for those watching you. Of course this approach doesn't come without obvious risks to yourself as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't necessarily need a to shoot down the drone .
Improvising other methods may work too.Rumor is that CCD sensors in cameras are susceptible to burn-in .
[ photo.net ] A laser pointer or an improvised lasing device ( made with some components from an old or broken CD or DVD burner and an old flashlight [ metacafe.com ] ) , and a bit of luck ( at least for moving or obscured cameras ) , you might make it an expensive game for those watching you .
Of course this approach does n't come without obvious risks to yourself as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't necessarily need a to shoot down the drone.
Improvising other methods may work too.Rumor is that CCD sensors in cameras are susceptible to burn-in.
[photo.net] A laser pointer or an improvised lasing device (made with some components from an old or broken CD or DVD burner and an old flashlight [metacafe.com]), and a bit of luck (at least for moving or obscured cameras), you might make it an expensive game for those watching you.
Of course this approach doesn't come without obvious risks to yourself as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30912196</id>
	<title>Re:Good thing they took your guns away.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264513320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>At the heights the drones fly at, shooting at them with anything other than a proper anti-aircraft gun would be an exercise in futility.  Camping at the airfield where they land for fuel with a scoped rifle, however, would not be an exercise in futility.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At the heights the drones fly at , shooting at them with anything other than a proper anti-aircraft gun would be an exercise in futility .
Camping at the airfield where they land for fuel with a scoped rifle , however , would not be an exercise in futility .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the heights the drones fly at, shooting at them with anything other than a proper anti-aircraft gun would be an exercise in futility.
Camping at the airfield where they land for fuel with a scoped rifle, however, would not be an exercise in futility.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30909630</id>
	<title>Re:Good thing they took your guns away.</title>
	<author>sponga</author>
	<datestamp>1264499280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WTF are you talking about 'shooting at helicopters', did you just pull that fact out of nowhere or make it up?<br>The only one I can think of is that footage last year of the Rio de Janiero of where the gangs shot down an actual helicopter.</p><p>I don't know how fantasy comments get modded up and hard hitting facts like "I hear..."</p><p>You mean like the stupid people who shine lasers at the police helicopters/jetliners and get charged with it all the time.<br>You mean like they do in Compton, CA by shooting at helicopters and get tracked down, they arrest them. Maybe back in the 80's this happened, but even the dumbest criminal knows not to fire because they have a constant rolling recording video and will track you down.</p><p>You gotta be stupid to shoot at a police helicopter because it is not hard to ignore a bright flash on the ground and have units surrounding that location or a neighbor calling 911 saying "hey my schizophrenic neighbor who thinks the government is taking over is shooting at helicopters".</p><p>Shooting at helicopters, ok whatever you like to make up in your fantasy mind but please show me this 'sport' of shooting at helicopters is so popular with some links or something. Also what is  a burning tire gonna do besides bring the police down and extinguish it with 2 seconds, they'll just post up in the area and arrest the fool trying to light the tire again.</p><p>Also you are an asshole if you like to fire your gun into the air at aircraft, think of where those bullets come back down to some little girls head or some innocent people. I remember after New Years in the early 90's every year in Los Angeles my dad would send me up to the roof with a broom to brush off all the shells that landed there. They setup a system now where they can triangulate the exact position where a bullet was fired from in that LA county neighborhood now where the business was.<br>Being a responsible gun owner does not include shooting at helicopters, people who are mentally ill who shoot at helicopters usually lose their gun license. If I saw some guy firing a gun into the air at aircraft, I would think he would be shot.</p><p>Your name is perfect for your comment, 'Are you kidding me'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WTF are you talking about 'shooting at helicopters ' , did you just pull that fact out of nowhere or make it up ? The only one I can think of is that footage last year of the Rio de Janiero of where the gangs shot down an actual helicopter.I do n't know how fantasy comments get modded up and hard hitting facts like " I hear... " You mean like the stupid people who shine lasers at the police helicopters/jetliners and get charged with it all the time.You mean like they do in Compton , CA by shooting at helicopters and get tracked down , they arrest them .
Maybe back in the 80 's this happened , but even the dumbest criminal knows not to fire because they have a constant rolling recording video and will track you down.You got ta be stupid to shoot at a police helicopter because it is not hard to ignore a bright flash on the ground and have units surrounding that location or a neighbor calling 911 saying " hey my schizophrenic neighbor who thinks the government is taking over is shooting at helicopters " .Shooting at helicopters , ok whatever you like to make up in your fantasy mind but please show me this 'sport ' of shooting at helicopters is so popular with some links or something .
Also what is a burning tire gon na do besides bring the police down and extinguish it with 2 seconds , they 'll just post up in the area and arrest the fool trying to light the tire again.Also you are an asshole if you like to fire your gun into the air at aircraft , think of where those bullets come back down to some little girls head or some innocent people .
I remember after New Years in the early 90 's every year in Los Angeles my dad would send me up to the roof with a broom to brush off all the shells that landed there .
They setup a system now where they can triangulate the exact position where a bullet was fired from in that LA county neighborhood now where the business was.Being a responsible gun owner does not include shooting at helicopters , people who are mentally ill who shoot at helicopters usually lose their gun license .
If I saw some guy firing a gun into the air at aircraft , I would think he would be shot.Your name is perfect for your comment , 'Are you kidding me'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF are you talking about 'shooting at helicopters', did you just pull that fact out of nowhere or make it up?The only one I can think of is that footage last year of the Rio de Janiero of where the gangs shot down an actual helicopter.I don't know how fantasy comments get modded up and hard hitting facts like "I hear..."You mean like the stupid people who shine lasers at the police helicopters/jetliners and get charged with it all the time.You mean like they do in Compton, CA by shooting at helicopters and get tracked down, they arrest them.
Maybe back in the 80's this happened, but even the dumbest criminal knows not to fire because they have a constant rolling recording video and will track you down.You gotta be stupid to shoot at a police helicopter because it is not hard to ignore a bright flash on the ground and have units surrounding that location or a neighbor calling 911 saying "hey my schizophrenic neighbor who thinks the government is taking over is shooting at helicopters".Shooting at helicopters, ok whatever you like to make up in your fantasy mind but please show me this 'sport' of shooting at helicopters is so popular with some links or something.
Also what is  a burning tire gonna do besides bring the police down and extinguish it with 2 seconds, they'll just post up in the area and arrest the fool trying to light the tire again.Also you are an asshole if you like to fire your gun into the air at aircraft, think of where those bullets come back down to some little girls head or some innocent people.
I remember after New Years in the early 90's every year in Los Angeles my dad would send me up to the roof with a broom to brush off all the shells that landed there.
They setup a system now where they can triangulate the exact position where a bullet was fired from in that LA county neighborhood now where the business was.Being a responsible gun owner does not include shooting at helicopters, people who are mentally ill who shoot at helicopters usually lose their gun license.
If I saw some guy firing a gun into the air at aircraft, I would think he would be shot.Your name is perfect for your comment, 'Are you kidding me'</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30911020</id>
	<title>Re:Good thing they took your guns away.</title>
	<author>Areyoukiddingme</author>
	<datestamp>1264505400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>WTF are you talking about 'shooting at helicopters', did you just pull that fact out of nowhere or make it up?
The only one I can think of is that footage last year of the Rio de Janiero of where the gangs shot down an actual helicopter.
</p><p>
I don't know how fantasy comments get modded up and hard hitting facts like "I hear..."</p></div>
</blockquote><p>I know you'd like to think that Slashdot carries all the news fit to print (and so would I), but other news services delight in talking about who killed whom.  See one of the sibling posts for a link to a newspaper website reporting on a state police helicopter with 7 bullet holes in it.  It happened a week ago.  And those are just the shots that hit.  See my response concerning rescue helicopters shot at in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina for earlier examples.  (And ignore my idle speculation about motives for shooting at that particular officer in Virginia; it was entirely coincidental.)  Katrina was widely reported on.  Try Google sometime.</p><blockquote><div><p>Being a responsible gun owner does not include shooting at helicopters, people who are mentally ill who shoot at helicopters usually lose their gun license.</p></div></blockquote><p>Surely you don't think I was talking about <i>responsible</i> gun owners.  In a population of 300 million people, with miserably bad healthcare for the poorest 20\%, there is going to be a certain percentage of undiagnosed nutjobs, and the thing about American nutjobs is their affinity for guns.  They seek them out, in large quantities, and if they ever snap (as the guy in Virginia did), they start putting bullets into practically everything.  This is not fantasy or hearsay - it's plastered across mainstream news on a monthly basis.  That guy is very likely to lose his life, not just his gun license.  Virginia uses the death penalty.  Too bad it's too late for 7 people, including two children.
</p><p>
Having bemoaned the poor state of healthcare in the US and having mentioned children in the context of victims, I have to write a disclaimer.  I know those two complaints are touchstones for Democrats, but I'm an independent.  I fully support the 2nd Amendment, right up to the tongue-in-cheek response of an anonymous coward on this thread pointing out that it doesn't say anything about <i>small</i> arms.  During World War II, military mortars were put into civilian hands, as last-ditch defensive measures against an invasion of the US coastlines.  I don't see anything wrong with that.  I don't see anything wrong with the 12 guns owned by the guy in Virginia either, at least in isolation.  "Guns don't kill people.  People kill people" is a trite aphorism, but true in spite of that.
</p><p>
According to the newspaper, he started killing people because his relatives were trying to do him out of his inheritance.  I see that incident as a failure of the US court system.  It should never have gotten to that point.  He should have been able to get an obviously fair judgment cheaply, easily, and quickly, and have it enforced efficiently and effectively by the local sheriff.  And you and I both know there is no way in hell to achieve that anymore.  Could he have gotten a fair outcome?  Maybe.  Would he have lost a chunk of the wealth he was trying to save in payment to a lawyer?  You bet.  Would it have taken 3 years and made no sense at all at least 20\% of the time?  Yep.  Is that better than a lifetime of incarceration and an early death at the behest of the state?
</p><p>
He didn't think so.  And that's sad.</p></div>
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<tokenext>WTF are you talking about 'shooting at helicopters ' , did you just pull that fact out of nowhere or make it up ?
The only one I can think of is that footage last year of the Rio de Janiero of where the gangs shot down an actual helicopter .
I do n't know how fantasy comments get modded up and hard hitting facts like " I hear... " I know you 'd like to think that Slashdot carries all the news fit to print ( and so would I ) , but other news services delight in talking about who killed whom .
See one of the sibling posts for a link to a newspaper website reporting on a state police helicopter with 7 bullet holes in it .
It happened a week ago .
And those are just the shots that hit .
See my response concerning rescue helicopters shot at in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina for earlier examples .
( And ignore my idle speculation about motives for shooting at that particular officer in Virginia ; it was entirely coincidental .
) Katrina was widely reported on .
Try Google sometime.Being a responsible gun owner does not include shooting at helicopters , people who are mentally ill who shoot at helicopters usually lose their gun license.Surely you do n't think I was talking about responsible gun owners .
In a population of 300 million people , with miserably bad healthcare for the poorest 20 \ % , there is going to be a certain percentage of undiagnosed nutjobs , and the thing about American nutjobs is their affinity for guns .
They seek them out , in large quantities , and if they ever snap ( as the guy in Virginia did ) , they start putting bullets into practically everything .
This is not fantasy or hearsay - it 's plastered across mainstream news on a monthly basis .
That guy is very likely to lose his life , not just his gun license .
Virginia uses the death penalty .
Too bad it 's too late for 7 people , including two children .
Having bemoaned the poor state of healthcare in the US and having mentioned children in the context of victims , I have to write a disclaimer .
I know those two complaints are touchstones for Democrats , but I 'm an independent .
I fully support the 2nd Amendment , right up to the tongue-in-cheek response of an anonymous coward on this thread pointing out that it does n't say anything about small arms .
During World War II , military mortars were put into civilian hands , as last-ditch defensive measures against an invasion of the US coastlines .
I do n't see anything wrong with that .
I do n't see anything wrong with the 12 guns owned by the guy in Virginia either , at least in isolation .
" Guns do n't kill people .
People kill people " is a trite aphorism , but true in spite of that .
According to the newspaper , he started killing people because his relatives were trying to do him out of his inheritance .
I see that incident as a failure of the US court system .
It should never have gotten to that point .
He should have been able to get an obviously fair judgment cheaply , easily , and quickly , and have it enforced efficiently and effectively by the local sheriff .
And you and I both know there is no way in hell to achieve that anymore .
Could he have gotten a fair outcome ?
Maybe. Would he have lost a chunk of the wealth he was trying to save in payment to a lawyer ?
You bet .
Would it have taken 3 years and made no sense at all at least 20 \ % of the time ?
Yep. Is that better than a lifetime of incarceration and an early death at the behest of the state ?
He did n't think so .
And that 's sad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF are you talking about 'shooting at helicopters', did you just pull that fact out of nowhere or make it up?
The only one I can think of is that footage last year of the Rio de Janiero of where the gangs shot down an actual helicopter.
I don't know how fantasy comments get modded up and hard hitting facts like "I hear..."
I know you'd like to think that Slashdot carries all the news fit to print (and so would I), but other news services delight in talking about who killed whom.
See one of the sibling posts for a link to a newspaper website reporting on a state police helicopter with 7 bullet holes in it.
It happened a week ago.
And those are just the shots that hit.
See my response concerning rescue helicopters shot at in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina for earlier examples.
(And ignore my idle speculation about motives for shooting at that particular officer in Virginia; it was entirely coincidental.
)  Katrina was widely reported on.
Try Google sometime.Being a responsible gun owner does not include shooting at helicopters, people who are mentally ill who shoot at helicopters usually lose their gun license.Surely you don't think I was talking about responsible gun owners.
In a population of 300 million people, with miserably bad healthcare for the poorest 20\%, there is going to be a certain percentage of undiagnosed nutjobs, and the thing about American nutjobs is their affinity for guns.
They seek them out, in large quantities, and if they ever snap (as the guy in Virginia did), they start putting bullets into practically everything.
This is not fantasy or hearsay - it's plastered across mainstream news on a monthly basis.
That guy is very likely to lose his life, not just his gun license.
Virginia uses the death penalty.
Too bad it's too late for 7 people, including two children.
Having bemoaned the poor state of healthcare in the US and having mentioned children in the context of victims, I have to write a disclaimer.
I know those two complaints are touchstones for Democrats, but I'm an independent.
I fully support the 2nd Amendment, right up to the tongue-in-cheek response of an anonymous coward on this thread pointing out that it doesn't say anything about small arms.
During World War II, military mortars were put into civilian hands, as last-ditch defensive measures against an invasion of the US coastlines.
I don't see anything wrong with that.
I don't see anything wrong with the 12 guns owned by the guy in Virginia either, at least in isolation.
"Guns don't kill people.
People kill people" is a trite aphorism, but true in spite of that.
According to the newspaper, he started killing people because his relatives were trying to do him out of his inheritance.
I see that incident as a failure of the US court system.
It should never have gotten to that point.
He should have been able to get an obviously fair judgment cheaply, easily, and quickly, and have it enforced efficiently and effectively by the local sheriff.
And you and I both know there is no way in hell to achieve that anymore.
Could he have gotten a fair outcome?
Maybe.  Would he have lost a chunk of the wealth he was trying to save in payment to a lawyer?
You bet.
Would it have taken 3 years and made no sense at all at least 20\% of the time?
Yep.  Is that better than a lifetime of incarceration and an early death at the behest of the state?
He didn't think so.
And that's sad.
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	<title>So, we can say that</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1264513740000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>uk is pretty much down the loo entirely as of now .</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>uk is pretty much down the loo entirely as of now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>uk is pretty much down the loo entirely as of now .</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907598</id>
	<title>Re:Commercial purposes?</title>
	<author>mhajicek</author>
	<datestamp>1264534020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They're either going to have tens of thousands of them or hoping to get really lucky.</p></div><p>Half a dozen Global Hawks at high altitude should do the trick.</p></div>
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<tokenext>They 're either going to have tens of thousands of them or hoping to get really lucky.Half a dozen Global Hawks at high altitude should do the trick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're either going to have tens of thousands of them or hoping to get really lucky.Half a dozen Global Hawks at high altitude should do the trick.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907560</id>
	<title>Good thing they took your guns away.</title>
	<author>Areyoukiddingme</author>
	<datestamp>1264533840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the United States, we'll shoot at helicopters with actual people in them.  If Homeland Security tried to spy on us with drones, it would become a sport to shoot them down.  And they WOULD go down, too.  Lots of expensive wreckage.</p><p>I hear in the UK you've got people dropping tires on traffic cameras and setting them on fire.  Your hearts are in the right place, but it's tough to get a tire over a UAV.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the United States , we 'll shoot at helicopters with actual people in them .
If Homeland Security tried to spy on us with drones , it would become a sport to shoot them down .
And they WOULD go down , too .
Lots of expensive wreckage.I hear in the UK you 've got people dropping tires on traffic cameras and setting them on fire .
Your hearts are in the right place , but it 's tough to get a tire over a UAV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the United States, we'll shoot at helicopters with actual people in them.
If Homeland Security tried to spy on us with drones, it would become a sport to shoot them down.
And they WOULD go down, too.
Lots of expensive wreckage.I hear in the UK you've got people dropping tires on traffic cameras and setting them on fire.
Your hearts are in the right place, but it's tough to get a tire over a UAV.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30910444</id>
	<title>Jaywalking?</title>
	<author>KitsuneSoftware</author>
	<datestamp>1264502760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lots of people are using jaywalking as an example non-crime in these comments. Just so you all know, jaywalking is not generally against UK law; the only places you can't do it are motorways (where anyone going less than 50mph will cause problems), railway crossings <em>while the barrier is down</em>, and small patches of road next to lit pedestrian crossings. Everywhere else, it's your judgement.</p><p>Now, for the technology itself, I think it will help catch a lot of minor criminals, rural fly-tippers, and an unexpectedly large number of farm-animal-fancying zoophiles, but it will have very little effect on organised crime. Why? Dazzle from small lasers. What's the cost of a CD/DVD burner?</p><p>I don't like perfect surveillance - this country has too many laws for any one person to know, so I have <em>no idea</em> if I'm breaking any or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lots of people are using jaywalking as an example non-crime in these comments .
Just so you all know , jaywalking is not generally against UK law ; the only places you ca n't do it are motorways ( where anyone going less than 50mph will cause problems ) , railway crossings while the barrier is down , and small patches of road next to lit pedestrian crossings .
Everywhere else , it 's your judgement.Now , for the technology itself , I think it will help catch a lot of minor criminals , rural fly-tippers , and an unexpectedly large number of farm-animal-fancying zoophiles , but it will have very little effect on organised crime .
Why ? Dazzle from small lasers .
What 's the cost of a CD/DVD burner ? I do n't like perfect surveillance - this country has too many laws for any one person to know , so I have no idea if I 'm breaking any or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lots of people are using jaywalking as an example non-crime in these comments.
Just so you all know, jaywalking is not generally against UK law; the only places you can't do it are motorways (where anyone going less than 50mph will cause problems), railway crossings while the barrier is down, and small patches of road next to lit pedestrian crossings.
Everywhere else, it's your judgement.Now, for the technology itself, I think it will help catch a lot of minor criminals, rural fly-tippers, and an unexpectedly large number of farm-animal-fancying zoophiles, but it will have very little effect on organised crime.
Why? Dazzle from small lasers.
What's the cost of a CD/DVD burner?I don't like perfect surveillance - this country has too many laws for any one person to know, so I have no idea if I'm breaking any or not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30913326</id>
	<title>Re:Good thing they took your guns away.</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1264523940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>most small arms top out at 10,000 feet and these drones fly around 20,000 feet or higher</p></div></blockquote><p>

Fortunately, unlike the US the UK hasn't placed so many restrictions on hobbyist UAV's or as we English speakers prefer to call them, model aeroplanes.<br> <br>

They don't even need to be armed, even without guns an aircraft as one weapon left and the Japanese perfected it's application.<br> <br>

You never need to fight harder, you need to fight smarter or as Sir Winston put it:</p><blockquote><div><p>Battles are won by slaughter and manoeuvre, the more a general contributes in manoeuvre the less he demands in slaughter.</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>most small arms top out at 10,000 feet and these drones fly around 20,000 feet or higher Fortunately , unlike the US the UK has n't placed so many restrictions on hobbyist UAV 's or as we English speakers prefer to call them , model aeroplanes .
They do n't even need to be armed , even without guns an aircraft as one weapon left and the Japanese perfected it 's application .
You never need to fight harder , you need to fight smarter or as Sir Winston put it : Battles are won by slaughter and manoeuvre , the more a general contributes in manoeuvre the less he demands in slaughter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>most small arms top out at 10,000 feet and these drones fly around 20,000 feet or higher

Fortunately, unlike the US the UK hasn't placed so many restrictions on hobbyist UAV's or as we English speakers prefer to call them, model aeroplanes.
They don't even need to be armed, even without guns an aircraft as one weapon left and the Japanese perfected it's application.
You never need to fight harder, you need to fight smarter or as Sir Winston put it:Battles are won by slaughter and manoeuvre, the more a general contributes in manoeuvre the less he demands in slaughter.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907888</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907748</id>
	<title>"Welcome ..."</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264534620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"... to City 17."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ... to City 17 .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"... to City 17.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907838</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly Slope</title>
	<author>1s44c</author>
	<datestamp>1264534920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think it's disgusting and yet another sad example of the sheepification of the people that gave us most of our civil liberties.</p></div><p>People are either fooled into believing that it's for their own good or they know they can't fight back in any meaningful way.</p><p>The mass civil unrest it would take to fix the UK isn't likely anytime soon.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's disgusting and yet another sad example of the sheepification of the people that gave us most of our civil liberties.People are either fooled into believing that it 's for their own good or they know they ca n't fight back in any meaningful way.The mass civil unrest it would take to fix the UK is n't likely anytime soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's disgusting and yet another sad example of the sheepification of the people that gave us most of our civil liberties.People are either fooled into believing that it's for their own good or they know they can't fight back in any meaningful way.The mass civil unrest it would take to fix the UK isn't likely anytime soon.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908726</id>
	<title>Manhacks!</title>
	<author>Akira Kogami</author>
	<datestamp>1264538520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm getting Half Life 2 flashbacks here...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm getting Half Life 2 flashbacks here.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm getting Half Life 2 flashbacks here...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908566</id>
	<title>Re:Good thing they took your guns away.</title>
	<author>2obvious4u</author>
	<datestamp>1264537500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The day they start flying drones in my town is the day I buy my first gun.  They have a 50 cal at my local Sportsman Warehouse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The day they start flying drones in my town is the day I buy my first gun .
They have a 50 cal at my local Sportsman Warehouse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The day they start flying drones in my town is the day I buy my first gun.
They have a 50 cal at my local Sportsman Warehouse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30909000</id>
	<title>Crop circles?</title>
	<author>starglider29a</author>
	<datestamp>1264496580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe they'll catch a crop circle as it is being made.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe they 'll catch a crop circle as it is being made .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe they'll catch a crop circle as it is being made.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907798</id>
	<title>Eeek</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264534740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What are the laws going to be on probable cause to stop someone that is on "candid camera"?</p><p>What I mean is, if it spots you jaywalking, can they just follow you around and order local units to stop you?  If you're walking by a street vendor and they see you reach into a bin, then moments later just happen to put your hand in your pocket, are they allowed to detain and search you?</p><p>Anecdotal evidence here, take this as you will.</p><p>A few years back I joined a "Citizens Police Academy".  Basically, at its core, it is a PR program setup to bring the community and its police together.  We got to basically take a free 10 week course meeting once a week where we went over the basics of all the police duties.</p><p>Personally, I got to partake in classes where they taught you about evidence gathering, etc.  We got to do mock pull overs in the parking lot (quite interesting scenarios), I got to go on ride alongs (4 hours "on the beat" with an officer), I got to fire their weapons at their range, and I also got to partake (although limited) in on site SWAT training where I got to be the bad guy and we basically played hide and seek.</p><p>The most enlightening part of the whole experience, as well as my point, lie in the ride along.</p><p>Once nighttime hit, we were patrolling the back roads and an out of town car was just going along doing its thing.  The driver, as far as myself and the officer were concerned, was obeying the traffic laws.  However, the officer I was with had a hunch that this kid might be up to "something".</p><p>We followed him for a bit waiting for him to screw up.  Although, we were certain he knew we were behind him (crown vic headlights are easily spotted when you know what they look like).  Eventually the car we were following pulled off onto a private driveway.</p><p>The officer still was suspicious of his activity and wanted a reason (probable cause) to stop him.  So we quickly u-turned and headed out to a "lookout" spot above the side street the officer expected him to exit from.  The reason he wanted a good lookout spot was to see if he would not come to a complete stop at a particular stop sign.</p><p>Interestingly enough, the kid did come out the way the officer was expecting, however, he did come to a complete, 2 second, stop.  No probable cause.</p><p>We followed him for a while longer and finally, the kid didn't come to a complete stop at another stop sign.  Bam, cue the flashing lights and Signal 6.</p><p>While I wasn't allowed out of the vehicle, I noticed him take his time in talking to the driver.  Smelling for smells and looking for things to see.</p><p>In the end, no ticket was written and it was a simple stop.  However, I'm sure the kid had no idea we were 100\% focused on stopping \_him\_ for the better part of half an hour.</p><p>We had no reason to suspect anything and simply followed him long enough until he made a simple and honest mistake.  At that point the noose was tightened and we had Probable Cause to interrupt his night for no other reason than to quench the curiosity of a random police officer.</p><p>**For the record I want to state I didn't sense any malice or any power trip from the officer I was with.  I also want to state that I won't second guess the intuition and gut feelings of police officers who deal with scum on a day to day basis.  You never know when they will be right, then again, shoot a gun blindly into an ocean enough times and eventually you'll catch dinner.**</p><p>Now is this same thing going to be commonplace with drones overhead?  Are officers going to look for anyone they find interesting and purposely waste time following them until the person does \_anything\_ to trip probable cause?</p><p>This just reeks of abuse of power and reeks of "show me your papers".  Sure, you'll still need Probable Cause (hopefully) to stop the person, but with an unseen eye watching your every move from above, what are the chances you \_won't\_ do \_something\_ to trip PC and have your privacy invaded?</p><p>The potential here is scary...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What are the laws going to be on probable cause to stop someone that is on " candid camera " ? What I mean is , if it spots you jaywalking , can they just follow you around and order local units to stop you ?
If you 're walking by a street vendor and they see you reach into a bin , then moments later just happen to put your hand in your pocket , are they allowed to detain and search you ? Anecdotal evidence here , take this as you will.A few years back I joined a " Citizens Police Academy " .
Basically , at its core , it is a PR program setup to bring the community and its police together .
We got to basically take a free 10 week course meeting once a week where we went over the basics of all the police duties.Personally , I got to partake in classes where they taught you about evidence gathering , etc .
We got to do mock pull overs in the parking lot ( quite interesting scenarios ) , I got to go on ride alongs ( 4 hours " on the beat " with an officer ) , I got to fire their weapons at their range , and I also got to partake ( although limited ) in on site SWAT training where I got to be the bad guy and we basically played hide and seek.The most enlightening part of the whole experience , as well as my point , lie in the ride along.Once nighttime hit , we were patrolling the back roads and an out of town car was just going along doing its thing .
The driver , as far as myself and the officer were concerned , was obeying the traffic laws .
However , the officer I was with had a hunch that this kid might be up to " something " .We followed him for a bit waiting for him to screw up .
Although , we were certain he knew we were behind him ( crown vic headlights are easily spotted when you know what they look like ) .
Eventually the car we were following pulled off onto a private driveway.The officer still was suspicious of his activity and wanted a reason ( probable cause ) to stop him .
So we quickly u-turned and headed out to a " lookout " spot above the side street the officer expected him to exit from .
The reason he wanted a good lookout spot was to see if he would not come to a complete stop at a particular stop sign.Interestingly enough , the kid did come out the way the officer was expecting , however , he did come to a complete , 2 second , stop .
No probable cause.We followed him for a while longer and finally , the kid did n't come to a complete stop at another stop sign .
Bam , cue the flashing lights and Signal 6.While I was n't allowed out of the vehicle , I noticed him take his time in talking to the driver .
Smelling for smells and looking for things to see.In the end , no ticket was written and it was a simple stop .
However , I 'm sure the kid had no idea we were 100 \ % focused on stopping \ _him \ _ for the better part of half an hour.We had no reason to suspect anything and simply followed him long enough until he made a simple and honest mistake .
At that point the noose was tightened and we had Probable Cause to interrupt his night for no other reason than to quench the curiosity of a random police officer .
* * For the record I want to state I did n't sense any malice or any power trip from the officer I was with .
I also want to state that I wo n't second guess the intuition and gut feelings of police officers who deal with scum on a day to day basis .
You never know when they will be right , then again , shoot a gun blindly into an ocean enough times and eventually you 'll catch dinner .
* * Now is this same thing going to be commonplace with drones overhead ?
Are officers going to look for anyone they find interesting and purposely waste time following them until the person does \ _anything \ _ to trip probable cause ? This just reeks of abuse of power and reeks of " show me your papers " .
Sure , you 'll still need Probable Cause ( hopefully ) to stop the person , but with an unseen eye watching your every move from above , what are the chances you \ _wo n't \ _ do \ _something \ _ to trip PC and have your privacy invaded ? The potential here is scary.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What are the laws going to be on probable cause to stop someone that is on "candid camera"?What I mean is, if it spots you jaywalking, can they just follow you around and order local units to stop you?
If you're walking by a street vendor and they see you reach into a bin, then moments later just happen to put your hand in your pocket, are they allowed to detain and search you?Anecdotal evidence here, take this as you will.A few years back I joined a "Citizens Police Academy".
Basically, at its core, it is a PR program setup to bring the community and its police together.
We got to basically take a free 10 week course meeting once a week where we went over the basics of all the police duties.Personally, I got to partake in classes where they taught you about evidence gathering, etc.
We got to do mock pull overs in the parking lot (quite interesting scenarios), I got to go on ride alongs (4 hours "on the beat" with an officer), I got to fire their weapons at their range, and I also got to partake (although limited) in on site SWAT training where I got to be the bad guy and we basically played hide and seek.The most enlightening part of the whole experience, as well as my point, lie in the ride along.Once nighttime hit, we were patrolling the back roads and an out of town car was just going along doing its thing.
The driver, as far as myself and the officer were concerned, was obeying the traffic laws.
However, the officer I was with had a hunch that this kid might be up to "something".We followed him for a bit waiting for him to screw up.
Although, we were certain he knew we were behind him (crown vic headlights are easily spotted when you know what they look like).
Eventually the car we were following pulled off onto a private driveway.The officer still was suspicious of his activity and wanted a reason (probable cause) to stop him.
So we quickly u-turned and headed out to a "lookout" spot above the side street the officer expected him to exit from.
The reason he wanted a good lookout spot was to see if he would not come to a complete stop at a particular stop sign.Interestingly enough, the kid did come out the way the officer was expecting, however, he did come to a complete, 2 second, stop.
No probable cause.We followed him for a while longer and finally, the kid didn't come to a complete stop at another stop sign.
Bam, cue the flashing lights and Signal 6.While I wasn't allowed out of the vehicle, I noticed him take his time in talking to the driver.
Smelling for smells and looking for things to see.In the end, no ticket was written and it was a simple stop.
However, I'm sure the kid had no idea we were 100\% focused on stopping \_him\_ for the better part of half an hour.We had no reason to suspect anything and simply followed him long enough until he made a simple and honest mistake.
At that point the noose was tightened and we had Probable Cause to interrupt his night for no other reason than to quench the curiosity of a random police officer.
**For the record I want to state I didn't sense any malice or any power trip from the officer I was with.
I also want to state that I won't second guess the intuition and gut feelings of police officers who deal with scum on a day to day basis.
You never know when they will be right, then again, shoot a gun blindly into an ocean enough times and eventually you'll catch dinner.
**Now is this same thing going to be commonplace with drones overhead?
Are officers going to look for anyone they find interesting and purposely waste time following them until the person does \_anything\_ to trip probable cause?This just reeks of abuse of power and reeks of "show me your papers".
Sure, you'll still need Probable Cause (hopefully) to stop the person, but with an unseen eye watching your every move from above, what are the chances you \_won't\_ do \_something\_ to trip PC and have your privacy invaded?The potential here is scary...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907416</id>
	<title>Slipperly Slope</title>
	<author>Hmmm2000</author>
	<datestamp>1264533240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>On the surface, this does not seem like a bad idea.  If the drone is just capturing video of what is out in the open for all to see anyway,  I don't have a problem with a drone recording it.
What is a bit troubling is that we know that some of the military drones have infrared capability -
so it would be possible in theory for one of these drones to be equipped with the same capability,
allowing it to look directly into buildings and homes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>On the surface , this does not seem like a bad idea .
If the drone is just capturing video of what is out in the open for all to see anyway , I do n't have a problem with a drone recording it .
What is a bit troubling is that we know that some of the military drones have infrared capability - so it would be possible in theory for one of these drones to be equipped with the same capability , allowing it to look directly into buildings and homes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the surface, this does not seem like a bad idea.
If the drone is just capturing video of what is out in the open for all to see anyway,  I don't have a problem with a drone recording it.
What is a bit troubling is that we know that some of the military drones have infrared capability -
so it would be possible in theory for one of these drones to be equipped with the same capability,
allowing it to look directly into buildings and homes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907678</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly Slope</title>
	<author>Thinine</author>
	<datestamp>1264534320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't see any issue with deploying robotic or other automated assets that would replace actual people. If a cop can sit in a helicopter over the city and report things, why not a drone? Lower cost, lower risk, higher capability. This is also why I don't oppose red light cameras or other community surveillance, as an officer could just be doing it instead. Yes this standard can be extended quite far, but as long as we draw a line at the required physical bugging of private property, I'm okay with it. If it's something I, or a police officer without a warrant, can do, the government should be able to do it too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see any issue with deploying robotic or other automated assets that would replace actual people .
If a cop can sit in a helicopter over the city and report things , why not a drone ?
Lower cost , lower risk , higher capability .
This is also why I do n't oppose red light cameras or other community surveillance , as an officer could just be doing it instead .
Yes this standard can be extended quite far , but as long as we draw a line at the required physical bugging of private property , I 'm okay with it .
If it 's something I , or a police officer without a warrant , can do , the government should be able to do it too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see any issue with deploying robotic or other automated assets that would replace actual people.
If a cop can sit in a helicopter over the city and report things, why not a drone?
Lower cost, lower risk, higher capability.
This is also why I don't oppose red light cameras or other community surveillance, as an officer could just be doing it instead.
Yes this standard can be extended quite far, but as long as we draw a line at the required physical bugging of private property, I'm okay with it.
If it's something I, or a police officer without a warrant, can do, the government should be able to do it too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908290</id>
	<title>Re:Big Brother?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1264536480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>This is obviously a bad thing, and makes me very cautious about even wanting to enter the UK. Yikes.<br></i><br>The only difference between this and police helicopters is the helicopters are manned. And yes, unless they're chasing a bank robber, those helicopters should be parked.</p><p>People who are OK with being spied on by their government are insane.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is obviously a bad thing , and makes me very cautious about even wanting to enter the UK .
Yikes.The only difference between this and police helicopters is the helicopters are manned .
And yes , unless they 're chasing a bank robber , those helicopters should be parked.People who are OK with being spied on by their government are insane .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is obviously a bad thing, and makes me very cautious about even wanting to enter the UK.
Yikes.The only difference between this and police helicopters is the helicopters are manned.
And yes, unless they're chasing a bank robber, those helicopters should be parked.People who are OK with being spied on by their government are insane.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907750</id>
	<title>Why the outrage?</title>
	<author>e2d2</author>
	<datestamp>1264534620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Helicopters are already here. I don't see any outrage over those.</p><p>Besides, it's a little late to say "oh you know we may have privacy issues" in the UK of all places. There's a camera on every street corner and then some.</p><p>I'm not for this or against it. IMHO it's just like a helo circling all day which in some places, like LA, is not too far from the current reality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Helicopters are already here .
I do n't see any outrage over those.Besides , it 's a little late to say " oh you know we may have privacy issues " in the UK of all places .
There 's a camera on every street corner and then some.I 'm not for this or against it .
IMHO it 's just like a helo circling all day which in some places , like LA , is not too far from the current reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Helicopters are already here.
I don't see any outrage over those.Besides, it's a little late to say "oh you know we may have privacy issues" in the UK of all places.
There's a camera on every street corner and then some.I'm not for this or against it.
IMHO it's just like a helo circling all day which in some places, like LA, is not too far from the current reality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30909140</id>
	<title>Re:Good thing they took your guns away.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264497180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You do realise that the drones would be sending out a video signal all the time they are in the air.</p><p>At best, you would be filmed and charged.<br>At worst, they would start arming them. At the low end they would be armed with tear gas cannisters. At the high end they'd shoot you for being a dangerous individual discharging a firearm in a residential neigbourhood.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do realise that the drones would be sending out a video signal all the time they are in the air.At best , you would be filmed and charged.At worst , they would start arming them .
At the low end they would be armed with tear gas cannisters .
At the high end they 'd shoot you for being a dangerous individual discharging a firearm in a residential neigbourhood .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do realise that the drones would be sending out a video signal all the time they are in the air.At best, you would be filmed and charged.At worst, they would start arming them.
At the low end they would be armed with tear gas cannisters.
At the high end they'd shoot you for being a dangerous individual discharging a firearm in a residential neigbourhood.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907690</id>
	<title>Re:Commercial purposes?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264534380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>So we'll see TV shows featuring footage captured by drones?</i></p><p>It occurs to me that, in the US at least, TV news programs could save money by renting time on a police drone instead of maintaining a helicopter for their on-the-scene traffic reports.</p><p>I'm not advocating the use of police drones in general, just pointing out one tiny advantage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So we 'll see TV shows featuring footage captured by drones ? It occurs to me that , in the US at least , TV news programs could save money by renting time on a police drone instead of maintaining a helicopter for their on-the-scene traffic reports.I 'm not advocating the use of police drones in general , just pointing out one tiny advantage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So we'll see TV shows featuring footage captured by drones?It occurs to me that, in the US at least, TV news programs could save money by renting time on a police drone instead of maintaining a helicopter for their on-the-scene traffic reports.I'm not advocating the use of police drones in general, just pointing out one tiny advantage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30911262</id>
	<title>What a racist comment</title>
	<author>anti-NAT</author>
	<datestamp>1264506780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><em>Britain is gone. British no longer have the will or the means to save themselves, they have already in spirit surrendered to muslims and while the process will take some time, it will happen unless they find a fucking clue and stop treating their own british-born citizen like sheep.</em></p><p>It's not the Muslim religion's agenda to take over the world. It <strong>was</strong> the British Empire's. If you're going to make sterotypical comments like that, then you ought to remember what your "british-born" citizens have to atone for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Britain is gone .
British no longer have the will or the means to save themselves , they have already in spirit surrendered to muslims and while the process will take some time , it will happen unless they find a fucking clue and stop treating their own british-born citizen like sheep.It 's not the Muslim religion 's agenda to take over the world .
It was the British Empire 's .
If you 're going to make sterotypical comments like that , then you ought to remember what your " british-born " citizens have to atone for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Britain is gone.
British no longer have the will or the means to save themselves, they have already in spirit surrendered to muslims and while the process will take some time, it will happen unless they find a fucking clue and stop treating their own british-born citizen like sheep.It's not the Muslim religion's agenda to take over the world.
It was the British Empire's.
If you're going to make sterotypical comments like that, then you ought to remember what your "british-born" citizens have to atone for.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908096</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908990</id>
	<title>USA Leads The Way</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264496520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These guys are behind the times. US police forces are already ahead of them.</p><p>here's a local <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tHk9Q3Fv6g" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">Houston TV news report.</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These guys are behind the times .
US police forces are already ahead of them.here 's a local Houston TV news report .
[ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These guys are behind the times.
US police forces are already ahead of them.here's a local Houston TV news report.
[youtube.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30909108</id>
	<title>Where's Monty Python when you need them?</title>
	<author>NobodyExpects</author>
	<datestamp>1264497060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Upon ascertaining that the jaywalker had returned to his flat at #12, Wellington Gardens, the controller launched a Hellfire missile...</i>
<br> <br>
Honestly, the UK is already the most monitored country, with little real result. This won't be any more beneficial to anyone, the authorities included!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Upon ascertaining that the jaywalker had returned to his flat at # 12 , Wellington Gardens , the controller launched a Hellfire missile.. . Honestly , the UK is already the most monitored country , with little real result .
This wo n't be any more beneficial to anyone , the authorities included !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Upon ascertaining that the jaywalker had returned to his flat at #12, Wellington Gardens, the controller launched a Hellfire missile...
 
Honestly, the UK is already the most monitored country, with little real result.
This won't be any more beneficial to anyone, the authorities included!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907582</id>
	<title>Then: Open!=Overheard.  Now: Open=Overheard</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264533900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The slippery slope is your attitude that "if it's in the open, they can record it."  Because for the last ten thousand years of human civilization THIS HAS NOT BEEN TRUE.  So to say there is no effect from this radical change in human circumstances is either naive or disingenuous.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The slippery slope is your attitude that " if it 's in the open , they can record it .
" Because for the last ten thousand years of human civilization THIS HAS NOT BEEN TRUE .
So to say there is no effect from this radical change in human circumstances is either naive or disingenuous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The slippery slope is your attitude that "if it's in the open, they can record it.
"  Because for the last ten thousand years of human civilization THIS HAS NOT BEEN TRUE.
So to say there is no effect from this radical change in human circumstances is either naive or disingenuous.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907416</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30909176</id>
	<title>Re:Antisocial driving?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264497360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What the heck is 'antisocial driving'?</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.midsussex.gov.uk/page.cfm?pageID=7936" title="midsussex.gov.uk">Apparently, it's any driving the government doesn't like.</a> [midsussex.gov.uk]  (Especially note the last bullet point:  "any other issues that could be considered anti-social").  They wanted a little Fahrenheit 451 flavor to mix in with the 1984.  When you have anti-social drivers (or crazy old coots who actually enjoy taking a morning stroll instead of vegging in front of the television), you can set the mechanical hounds on them to show them the error of their ways.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What the heck is 'antisocial driving ' ?
Apparently , it 's any driving the government does n't like .
[ midsussex.gov.uk ] ( Especially note the last bullet point : " any other issues that could be considered anti-social " ) .
They wanted a little Fahrenheit 451 flavor to mix in with the 1984 .
When you have anti-social drivers ( or crazy old coots who actually enjoy taking a morning stroll instead of vegging in front of the television ) , you can set the mechanical hounds on them to show them the error of their ways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the heck is 'antisocial driving'?
Apparently, it's any driving the government doesn't like.
[midsussex.gov.uk]  (Especially note the last bullet point:  "any other issues that could be considered anti-social").
They wanted a little Fahrenheit 451 flavor to mix in with the 1984.
When you have anti-social drivers (or crazy old coots who actually enjoy taking a morning stroll instead of vegging in front of the television), you can set the mechanical hounds on them to show them the error of their ways.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907614</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907494</id>
	<title>From The Colonialist-Imperialist Country</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264533540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>with interference in:</p><p>Afghanistan,  Israel, Iraq, Pakistan, India, Hong Kong, Australia, United States, and Canada.</p><p>Just follow the money trail for the bribes from the manufactuer.</p><p>Yours In Ulyanovsk,<br>Kilgore Trout</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>with interference in : Afghanistan , Israel , Iraq , Pakistan , India , Hong Kong , Australia , United States , and Canada.Just follow the money trail for the bribes from the manufactuer.Yours In Ulyanovsk,Kilgore Trout</tokentext>
<sentencetext>with interference in:Afghanistan,  Israel, Iraq, Pakistan, India, Hong Kong, Australia, United States, and Canada.Just follow the money trail for the bribes from the manufactuer.Yours In Ulyanovsk,Kilgore Trout</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30914126</id>
	<title>The world is at a crossroads on police-statism</title>
	<author>mykos</author>
	<datestamp>1264533120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We are nearing the technological threshold in which we <i>can</i> do many (and someday all) of the things in 1984, Equilibrium, Minonrity Report, and many other similar stories.</p><p>Monitoring technology <i>will</i> have a "point of no return" where getting our governments to revert the laws and give us back our privacy rights will not come without a greivous amount of bloodshed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We are nearing the technological threshold in which we can do many ( and someday all ) of the things in 1984 , Equilibrium , Minonrity Report , and many other similar stories.Monitoring technology will have a " point of no return " where getting our governments to revert the laws and give us back our privacy rights will not come without a greivous amount of bloodshed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are nearing the technological threshold in which we can do many (and someday all) of the things in 1984, Equilibrium, Minonrity Report, and many other similar stories.Monitoring technology will have a "point of no return" where getting our governments to revert the laws and give us back our privacy rights will not come without a greivous amount of bloodshed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907970</id>
	<title>Didn't help before</title>
	<author>Propaganda13</author>
	<datestamp>1264535400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Didn't they already say that all of their cameras didn't help solve crimes? So why do they need drones now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did n't they already say that all of their cameras did n't help solve crimes ?
So why do they need drones now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Didn't they already say that all of their cameras didn't help solve crimes?
So why do they need drones now?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907606</id>
	<title>RTFM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264534020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It must clickthrough to theonion.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It must clickthrough to theonion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It must clickthrough to theonion.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30913192</id>
	<title>Re:Commercial purposes?</title>
	<author>equid0x</author>
	<datestamp>1264522500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>'[detecting] theft from cash machines, preventing theft of tractors and monitoring antisocial driving,'</p></div><p>
Don't cash machines already have cameras built in? Want to protect your tractor, Joe the Farmer? Aim your <i>own</i> camera at it. See an "antisocial driver"? Report them!</p><p><div class="quote"><p>'Also, due to the expense involved, it has also been suggested that some data could be sold off to private companies, or the drones could be used for commercial purposes'</p></div><p>
Surprise, surprise...</p><p><div class="quote"><p>'So we'll see TV shows featuring footage captured by drones?'</p></div><p>
Welcome to "The Truman Show".</p><p><div class="quote"><p>'Google might buy it too but if its targeting people it'll make obscuring faces harder.'</p></div><p>
Naah... they already obscure places on their maps... <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;source=s\_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=IBM+Endicott&amp;sll=37.0625,-95.677068&amp;sspn=49.043149,79.013672&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hq=IBM&amp;hnear=Endicott,+NY&amp;ll=42.105801,-76.04732&amp;spn=0.005651,0.009645&amp;t=h&amp;z=17" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;source=s\_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=IBM+Endicott&amp;sll=37.0625,-95.677068&amp;sspn=49.043149,79.013672&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hq=IBM&amp;hnear=Endicott,+NY&amp;ll=42.105801,-76.04732&amp;spn=0.005651,0.009645&amp;t=h&amp;z=17</a> [google.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>' [ detecting ] theft from cash machines , preventing theft of tractors and monitoring antisocial driving, ' Do n't cash machines already have cameras built in ?
Want to protect your tractor , Joe the Farmer ?
Aim your own camera at it .
See an " antisocial driver " ?
Report them !
'Also , due to the expense involved , it has also been suggested that some data could be sold off to private companies , or the drones could be used for commercial purposes ' Surprise , surprise...'So we 'll see TV shows featuring footage captured by drones ?
' Welcome to " The Truman Show " .
'Google might buy it too but if its targeting people it 'll make obscuring faces harder .
' Naah... they already obscure places on their maps... http : //maps.google.com/maps ? f = q&amp;source = s \ _q&amp;hl = en&amp;geocode = &amp;q = IBM + Endicott&amp;sll = 37.0625,-95.677068&amp;sspn = 49.043149,79.013672&amp;ie = UTF8&amp;hq = IBM&amp;hnear = Endicott , + NY&amp;ll = 42.105801,-76.04732&amp;spn = 0.005651,0.009645&amp;t = h&amp;z = 17 [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'[detecting] theft from cash machines, preventing theft of tractors and monitoring antisocial driving,'
Don't cash machines already have cameras built in?
Want to protect your tractor, Joe the Farmer?
Aim your own camera at it.
See an "antisocial driver"?
Report them!
'Also, due to the expense involved, it has also been suggested that some data could be sold off to private companies, or the drones could be used for commercial purposes'
Surprise, surprise...'So we'll see TV shows featuring footage captured by drones?
'
Welcome to "The Truman Show".
'Google might buy it too but if its targeting people it'll make obscuring faces harder.
'
Naah... they already obscure places on their maps... http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;source=s\_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=IBM+Endicott&amp;sll=37.0625,-95.677068&amp;sspn=49.043149,79.013672&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hq=IBM&amp;hnear=Endicott,+NY&amp;ll=42.105801,-76.04732&amp;spn=0.005651,0.009645&amp;t=h&amp;z=17 [google.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907910</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly Slope</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1264535220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>You can look at a home with an IR camera and figure out other stuff -- like if they have any strange heat sources that suggest illegal grow operations</i></p><p>And how would you be able to determine whether or not what they were growing was illegal? I've seriously thought of growing tomatos in my basement because the ones you buy at the grocery taste like cardboard, but fear of the War On (some) Drugs keeps me from doing it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can look at a home with an IR camera and figure out other stuff -- like if they have any strange heat sources that suggest illegal grow operationsAnd how would you be able to determine whether or not what they were growing was illegal ?
I 've seriously thought of growing tomatos in my basement because the ones you buy at the grocery taste like cardboard , but fear of the War On ( some ) Drugs keeps me from doing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can look at a home with an IR camera and figure out other stuff -- like if they have any strange heat sources that suggest illegal grow operationsAnd how would you be able to determine whether or not what they were growing was illegal?
I've seriously thought of growing tomatos in my basement because the ones you buy at the grocery taste like cardboard, but fear of the War On (some) Drugs keeps me from doing it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907544</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908286</id>
	<title>OUTSTANDING!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264536480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What a great idea! Wow I wish I'd thought of this. The UK is really on the cutting edge here. I don't see any possibility of anything going wrong or being misused here!</p><p>The only improvement I&rsquo;d make is to use RFID to chip every member of the UK population just to be sure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What a great idea !
Wow I wish I 'd thought of this .
The UK is really on the cutting edge here .
I do n't see any possibility of anything going wrong or being misused here ! The only improvement I    d make is to use RFID to chip every member of the UK population just to be sure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a great idea!
Wow I wish I'd thought of this.
The UK is really on the cutting edge here.
I don't see any possibility of anything going wrong or being misused here!The only improvement I’d make is to use RFID to chip every member of the UK population just to be sure.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30914762</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly Slope</title>
	<author>RockDoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1264587240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>They get a surprisingly good picture through curtains. If your on a military base at night, you can often tell which barracks the women are in because the guards sight each of the windows through their scopes as they pass on patrol...</p></div></blockquote><p>I think that you've just greatly increased the sales of certain frequencies of IR-emitting LEDs. Put it on an unreliable astable oscillator<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and every so often your Peeping Tom soldier (OK, let's not mince words - your masturbating voyeur) gets his eyes fried by his night-sight. Won't cause any long term damage I'm sure , but it's going to do nothing for his night vision.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They get a surprisingly good picture through curtains .
If your on a military base at night , you can often tell which barracks the women are in because the guards sight each of the windows through their scopes as they pass on patrol...I think that you 've just greatly increased the sales of certain frequencies of IR-emitting LEDs .
Put it on an unreliable astable oscillator ... and every so often your Peeping Tom soldier ( OK , let 's not mince words - your masturbating voyeur ) gets his eyes fried by his night-sight .
Wo n't cause any long term damage I 'm sure , but it 's going to do nothing for his night vision .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They get a surprisingly good picture through curtains.
If your on a military base at night, you can often tell which barracks the women are in because the guards sight each of the windows through their scopes as they pass on patrol...I think that you've just greatly increased the sales of certain frequencies of IR-emitting LEDs.
Put it on an unreliable astable oscillator ... and every so often your Peeping Tom soldier (OK, let's not mince words - your masturbating voyeur) gets his eyes fried by his night-sight.
Won't cause any long term damage I'm sure , but it's going to do nothing for his night vision.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907648</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907782</id>
	<title>People's privasies invaded yet again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264534680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The fear factor works everytime!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fear factor works everytime !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fear factor works everytime!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908664</id>
	<title>Re:Eeek</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264538160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Probable Cause, lol , in the UK they can stop and search whomever or when ever they wish, using jumped up intepritation of section 44 of the terrorism act (note no anti-)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>........ Anonymous Coward for obvious reasons</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Probable Cause , lol , in the UK they can stop and search whomever or when ever they wish , using jumped up intepritation of section 44 of the terrorism act ( note no anti- ) ........ Anonymous Coward for obvious reasons</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probable Cause, lol , in the UK they can stop and search whomever or when ever they wish, using jumped up intepritation of section 44 of the terrorism act (note no anti-) ........ Anonymous Coward for obvious reasons</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907798</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907714</id>
	<title>The State Surveilance Handbook.</title>
	<author>w0mprat</author>
	<datestamp>1264534500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Politicians take note: George Orwell's Ninteen Eighty-Four is <b>not</b> a manual for statecraft.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Politicians take note : George Orwell 's Ninteen Eighty-Four is not a manual for statecraft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Politicians take note: George Orwell's Ninteen Eighty-Four is not a manual for statecraft.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30911818</id>
	<title>Re:Antisocial driving?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264510320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You and the people who modded you up are clueless.</p><p>asocial = "lacking socialization" = introvert<br>antisocial = "counter (to) socialization" = sociopath</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You and the people who modded you up are clueless.asocial = " lacking socialization " = introvertantisocial = " counter ( to ) socialization " = sociopath</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You and the people who modded you up are clueless.asocial = "lacking socialization" = introvertantisocial = "counter (to) socialization" = sociopath</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30909494</id>
	<title>Re:Good thing they took your guns away.</title>
	<author>udowish</author>
	<datestamp>1264498800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess you will be shooting in Houston, they are testing these drones as we speak and plan to deploy them this year.

Police states are approaching most major western democracies.  Including Canada.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess you will be shooting in Houston , they are testing these drones as we speak and plan to deploy them this year .
Police states are approaching most major western democracies .
Including Canada .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess you will be shooting in Houston, they are testing these drones as we speak and plan to deploy them this year.
Police states are approaching most major western democracies.
Including Canada.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30911402</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly Slope</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264507680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>You can look at a home with an IR camera and figure out other stuff -- like if they have any strange heat sources that suggest illegal grow operations</i> </p><p>And how would you be able to determine whether or not what they were growing was illegal? I've seriously thought of growing tomatos in my basement because the ones you buy at the grocery taste like cardboard, but fear of the War On (some) Drugs keeps me from doing it.</p></div><p>We grow orchids in our basement under high pressure sodium lights, and have never been bothered by the police. None of the other members of our orchid society have encountered problems, either.</p><p>Exercise your rights! If you live in constant fear of the police state, they've already won.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can look at a home with an IR camera and figure out other stuff -- like if they have any strange heat sources that suggest illegal grow operations And how would you be able to determine whether or not what they were growing was illegal ?
I 've seriously thought of growing tomatos in my basement because the ones you buy at the grocery taste like cardboard , but fear of the War On ( some ) Drugs keeps me from doing it.We grow orchids in our basement under high pressure sodium lights , and have never been bothered by the police .
None of the other members of our orchid society have encountered problems , either.Exercise your rights !
If you live in constant fear of the police state , they 've already won .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> You can look at a home with an IR camera and figure out other stuff -- like if they have any strange heat sources that suggest illegal grow operations And how would you be able to determine whether or not what they were growing was illegal?
I've seriously thought of growing tomatos in my basement because the ones you buy at the grocery taste like cardboard, but fear of the War On (some) Drugs keeps me from doing it.We grow orchids in our basement under high pressure sodium lights, and have never been bothered by the police.
None of the other members of our orchid society have encountered problems, either.Exercise your rights!
If you live in constant fear of the police state, they've already won.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30913352</id>
	<title>Re:Antisocial driving?</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1264524180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What the heck is 'antisocial driving'?</p></div></blockquote><p>

A vehicle which refuses to talk to other vehicles or deliberately avoids polite conversation.<br> <br>

Think Emo, thus the famous black taxi's of old London town are now a fashionable fuchsia. There was an proposal to paint a tie and a monocle onto them but this was thought of as too formal.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What the heck is 'antisocial driving ' ?
A vehicle which refuses to talk to other vehicles or deliberately avoids polite conversation .
Think Emo , thus the famous black taxi 's of old London town are now a fashionable fuchsia .
There was an proposal to paint a tie and a monocle onto them but this was thought of as too formal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the heck is 'antisocial driving'?
A vehicle which refuses to talk to other vehicles or deliberately avoids polite conversation.
Think Emo, thus the famous black taxi's of old London town are now a fashionable fuchsia.
There was an proposal to paint a tie and a monocle onto them but this was thought of as too formal.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908908</id>
	<title>Re:Antisocial driving?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264539300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's the public displays of affection that concern me more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the public displays of affection that concern me more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the public displays of affection that concern me more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30909606</id>
	<title>Kit or Kar</title>
	<author>afterthought</author>
	<datestamp>1264499220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The <i>antisocial driving</i> bit is pretty scary.  What exactly does that mean?  I can't hold my own Death Race anymore?  Or is to prevent a resurgence of Kit's evil brother Kar.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The antisocial driving bit is pretty scary .
What exactly does that mean ?
I ca n't hold my own Death Race anymore ?
Or is to prevent a resurgence of Kit 's evil brother Kar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The antisocial driving bit is pretty scary.
What exactly does that mean?
I can't hold my own Death Race anymore?
Or is to prevent a resurgence of Kit's evil brother Kar.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908442</id>
	<title>Military spy drones?</title>
	<author>DaveV1.0</author>
	<datestamp>1264536960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As opposed to the numerous civilian spy drones? Why don't they just go buy a bunch of Parrot drones and use their iPhones?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As opposed to the numerous civilian spy drones ?
Why do n't they just go buy a bunch of Parrot drones and use their iPhones ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As opposed to the numerous civilian spy drones?
Why don't they just go buy a bunch of Parrot drones and use their iPhones?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907568</id>
	<title>This is just the next step...</title>
	<author>TheDarkener</author>
	<datestamp>1264533840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They've been doing this for a while now. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h31VSf1\_rk" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h31VSf1\_rk</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 've been doing this for a while now .
http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = 9h31VSf1 \ _rk [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They've been doing this for a while now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h31VSf1\_rk [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908320</id>
	<title>So will there be license plates for car roofs?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264536660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm interested in this technology, can we import it to my home planet?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm interested in this technology , can we import it to my home planet ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm interested in this technology, can we import it to my home planet?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30911396</id>
	<title>Time for regime change?</title>
	<author>black88</author>
	<datestamp>1264507680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe it's time that we in the USA take back our native homeland, by force,  and clean up the mess our cousins across the pond have found themselves in.</p><p>And no, I am not kidding.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe it 's time that we in the USA take back our native homeland , by force , and clean up the mess our cousins across the pond have found themselves in.And no , I am not kidding .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe it's time that we in the USA take back our native homeland, by force,  and clean up the mess our cousins across the pond have found themselves in.And no, I am not kidding.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907544</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly Slope</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264533720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What is a bit troubling is that we know that some of the military drones have infrared capability - so it would be possible in theory for one of these drones to be equipped with the same capability, allowing it to look directly into buildings and homes.</p></div><p>Huh?  Infrared doesn't go through walls the last time I checked.  You can look at a home with an IR camera and figure out other stuff -- like if they have any strange heat sources that suggest illegal grow operations -- but you can't "look directly" into buildings with it.
</p><p>That's not to say I'm defending this.  I think it's disgusting and yet another sad example of the sheepification of the people that gave us most of our civil liberties.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What is a bit troubling is that we know that some of the military drones have infrared capability - so it would be possible in theory for one of these drones to be equipped with the same capability , allowing it to look directly into buildings and homes.Huh ?
Infrared does n't go through walls the last time I checked .
You can look at a home with an IR camera and figure out other stuff -- like if they have any strange heat sources that suggest illegal grow operations -- but you ca n't " look directly " into buildings with it .
That 's not to say I 'm defending this .
I think it 's disgusting and yet another sad example of the sheepification of the people that gave us most of our civil liberties .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is a bit troubling is that we know that some of the military drones have infrared capability - so it would be possible in theory for one of these drones to be equipped with the same capability, allowing it to look directly into buildings and homes.Huh?
Infrared doesn't go through walls the last time I checked.
You can look at a home with an IR camera and figure out other stuff -- like if they have any strange heat sources that suggest illegal grow operations -- but you can't "look directly" into buildings with it.
That's not to say I'm defending this.
I think it's disgusting and yet another sad example of the sheepification of the people that gave us most of our civil liberties.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907614</id>
	<title>Antisocial driving?</title>
	<author>ChinggisK</author>
	<datestamp>1264534020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> preventing theft of tractors and monitoring <b>antisocial driving</b></p> </div><p>What the heck is 'antisocial driving'?  A car driving separate from the other cars because it is shy and lacks social skills?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>preventing theft of tractors and monitoring antisocial driving What the heck is 'antisocial driving ' ?
A car driving separate from the other cars because it is shy and lacks social skills ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> preventing theft of tractors and monitoring antisocial driving What the heck is 'antisocial driving'?
A car driving separate from the other cars because it is shy and lacks social skills?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30914312</id>
	<title>Why UK ... Why?</title>
	<author>twoHats</author>
	<datestamp>1264535940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why is it that every time i see a story out of the UK these days, I think of the film "V for Vendetta"?  It seems like some subset of the UK public service has been taken over by evil doers trying to create 1984 and indeed, Big Brother.<br> Just sayin...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is it that every time i see a story out of the UK these days , I think of the film " V for Vendetta " ?
It seems like some subset of the UK public service has been taken over by evil doers trying to create 1984 and indeed , Big Brother .
Just sayin.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is it that every time i see a story out of the UK these days, I think of the film "V for Vendetta"?
It seems like some subset of the UK public service has been taken over by evil doers trying to create 1984 and indeed, Big Brother.
Just sayin...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30910218</id>
	<title>An evolution not a revolution</title>
	<author>thegoldenear</author>
	<datestamp>1264501800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>UK Police already have something similar to this in that they've had aeroplanes constantly circling over various cities for the past few years. For example: <a href="http://www.gmp.police.uk/mainsite/pages/asu.htm" title="police.uk">http://www.gmp.police.uk/mainsite/pages/asu.htm</a> [police.uk] and <a href="http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/226/226142\_spyplane\_warning\_over\_eid\_celebrations.html" title="manchester...news.co.uk">http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/226/226142\_spyplane\_warning\_over\_eid\_celebrations.html</a> [manchester...news.co.uk]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>UK Police already have something similar to this in that they 've had aeroplanes constantly circling over various cities for the past few years .
For example : http : //www.gmp.police.uk/mainsite/pages/asu.htm [ police.uk ] and http : //www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/226/226142 \ _spyplane \ _warning \ _over \ _eid \ _celebrations.html [ manchester...news.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>UK Police already have something similar to this in that they've had aeroplanes constantly circling over various cities for the past few years.
For example: http://www.gmp.police.uk/mainsite/pages/asu.htm [police.uk] and http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/226/226142\_spyplane\_warning\_over\_eid\_celebrations.html [manchester...news.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30912792</id>
	<title>Re:Antisocial driving?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264518060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thats asocial, antisocial is something completely different.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thats asocial , antisocial is something completely different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thats asocial, antisocial is something completely different.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30911100</id>
	<title>Devil's advocate.</title>
	<author>teh kurisu</author>
	<datestamp>1264505760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Recording every inch of public space is (and should be) different from policing public space.</p></div> </blockquote><p>By that logic you would put blind bobbies on the beat.  You can't police a public space unless you can detect crime.  In an ideal world, you'd have an actual police officers capable of intervening, preventing the crime from continuing and hopefully catching the culprit.  But we don't live in an ideal world; police officers cost money and nobody wants to pay for them with tax rises.  If you can cheaply detect a crime, and hopefully provide evidence that can be used to gain a conviction in court, surely that's better than not detecting it at all?</p><blockquote><div><p>We want to keep down crime but we also want people to carry on their lives without everything being dissected and analysed.</p></div> </blockquote><p>What is it about surveillance that prevents people from going about their ordinary lives?  Nothing.  It's less intrusive than a stop-and-search or stop-and-account.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Recording every inch of public space is ( and should be ) different from policing public space .
By that logic you would put blind bobbies on the beat .
You ca n't police a public space unless you can detect crime .
In an ideal world , you 'd have an actual police officers capable of intervening , preventing the crime from continuing and hopefully catching the culprit .
But we do n't live in an ideal world ; police officers cost money and nobody wants to pay for them with tax rises .
If you can cheaply detect a crime , and hopefully provide evidence that can be used to gain a conviction in court , surely that 's better than not detecting it at all ? We want to keep down crime but we also want people to carry on their lives without everything being dissected and analysed .
What is it about surveillance that prevents people from going about their ordinary lives ?
Nothing. It 's less intrusive than a stop-and-search or stop-and-account .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Recording every inch of public space is (and should be) different from policing public space.
By that logic you would put blind bobbies on the beat.
You can't police a public space unless you can detect crime.
In an ideal world, you'd have an actual police officers capable of intervening, preventing the crime from continuing and hopefully catching the culprit.
But we don't live in an ideal world; police officers cost money and nobody wants to pay for them with tax rises.
If you can cheaply detect a crime, and hopefully provide evidence that can be used to gain a conviction in court, surely that's better than not detecting it at all?We want to keep down crime but we also want people to carry on their lives without everything being dissected and analysed.
What is it about surveillance that prevents people from going about their ordinary lives?
Nothing.  It's less intrusive than a stop-and-search or stop-and-account.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30907604</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly Slope</title>
	<author>Unequivocal</author>
	<datestamp>1264534020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Recording every inch of public space is (and should be) different from policing public space. At least that's how I see it. We want to keep down crime but we also want people to carry on their lives without everything being dissected and analyzed. Public privacy/anonymity may already be a myth but we don't need to help things along by supporting universal surveillance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Recording every inch of public space is ( and should be ) different from policing public space .
At least that 's how I see it .
We want to keep down crime but we also want people to carry on their lives without everything being dissected and analyzed .
Public privacy/anonymity may already be a myth but we do n't need to help things along by supporting universal surveillance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Recording every inch of public space is (and should be) different from policing public space.
At least that's how I see it.
We want to keep down crime but we also want people to carry on their lives without everything being dissected and analyzed.
Public privacy/anonymity may already be a myth but we don't need to help things along by supporting universal surveillance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30912018</id>
	<title>Re:Big Brother?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264511820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This story made me boycott UK, and avoid at all costs putting any money in that direction, or enter UK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This story made me boycott UK , and avoid at all costs putting any money in that direction , or enter UK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This story made me boycott UK, and avoid at all costs putting any money in that direction, or enter UK.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908460</id>
	<title>CCTV metrics</title>
	<author>Dan667</author>
	<datestamp>1264537020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I expect that the main motive in these drones is some company making a profit.  Crime did not drop with CCTV cameras so all they really accomplish it to make a couple of people who were already rich, richer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I expect that the main motive in these drones is some company making a profit .
Crime did not drop with CCTV cameras so all they really accomplish it to make a couple of people who were already rich , richer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I expect that the main motive in these drones is some company making a profit.
Crime did not drop with CCTV cameras so all they really accomplish it to make a couple of people who were already rich, richer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30908820</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to see here</title>
	<author>gnieboer</author>
	<datestamp>1264538940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You've got a good point, though I'd add that a helicopter is not the same capability.</p><p>A police helicopter will fly for an hour or two, often for specific reasons.</p><p>UAVs are designed for continuous surveillance, in fact Predators are purchased in quantities of "orbits" not "aircraft",  i.e. for 1 orbit you need 3 predators to keep it up 24/7.</p><p>So the magnitude of constant, probably cause-less surveillance is much higher than a helicopter.<br>Plus you are aware of the presence of a police helicopter, so if you are rooftop topless sunbathing, you can at least throw a towel on and give them the finger.<br>Even the massive amount of CCTV cameras in the UK are generally visible, so at least you know when you are under 'the eye'.  This UAV concept is creepy.  Plus the fact the government appears to be intentionally deceiving the public as the to the purpose.  The CCTV initiative (I thought) was at least fully disclosed as to what/why/how.</p><p>Oh, BTW helicopter pilots working for the police won't make anything close to 6 figures, not even near.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've got a good point , though I 'd add that a helicopter is not the same capability.A police helicopter will fly for an hour or two , often for specific reasons.UAVs are designed for continuous surveillance , in fact Predators are purchased in quantities of " orbits " not " aircraft " , i.e .
for 1 orbit you need 3 predators to keep it up 24/7.So the magnitude of constant , probably cause-less surveillance is much higher than a helicopter.Plus you are aware of the presence of a police helicopter , so if you are rooftop topless sunbathing , you can at least throw a towel on and give them the finger.Even the massive amount of CCTV cameras in the UK are generally visible , so at least you know when you are under 'the eye' .
This UAV concept is creepy .
Plus the fact the government appears to be intentionally deceiving the public as the to the purpose .
The CCTV initiative ( I thought ) was at least fully disclosed as to what/why/how.Oh , BTW helicopter pilots working for the police wo n't make anything close to 6 figures , not even near .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've got a good point, though I'd add that a helicopter is not the same capability.A police helicopter will fly for an hour or two, often for specific reasons.UAVs are designed for continuous surveillance, in fact Predators are purchased in quantities of "orbits" not "aircraft",  i.e.
for 1 orbit you need 3 predators to keep it up 24/7.So the magnitude of constant, probably cause-less surveillance is much higher than a helicopter.Plus you are aware of the presence of a police helicopter, so if you are rooftop topless sunbathing, you can at least throw a towel on and give them the finger.Even the massive amount of CCTV cameras in the UK are generally visible, so at least you know when you are under 'the eye'.
This UAV concept is creepy.
Plus the fact the government appears to be intentionally deceiving the public as the to the purpose.
The CCTV initiative (I thought) was at least fully disclosed as to what/why/how.Oh, BTW helicopter pilots working for the police won't make anything close to 6 figures, not even near.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_1645232.30911770</id>
	<title>Re:Good thing they took your guns away.</title>
	<author>Jesus\_666</author>
	<datestamp>1264509960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You just need to have the law amended so that surface-to-air missiles count as small arms. Try to get your hands on some IRIS-T/SL units; I'm fairly certain that the drones won't fly too high for those.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You just need to have the law amended so that surface-to-air missiles count as small arms .
Try to get your hands on some IRIS-T/SL units ; I 'm fairly certain that the drones wo n't fly too high for those .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You just need to have the law amended so that surface-to-air missiles count as small arms.
Try to get your hands on some IRIS-T/SL units; I'm fairly certain that the drones won't fly too high for those.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Good thing they took your guns away.</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1264539360000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>In the United States, we'll shoot at helicopters with actual people in them.</i> </p><p>If you are wanted for the murder of eight in Virginia - or think adding "Cop Killer" to your rap sheet is worth a mod up to +4.</p><p> <i> Childs admitted that when he took a job flying the state's MedFlight helicopter, he didn't expect to face the threat of small-arms fire very often.<br>Last week, the state police helicopter he was flying took seven rounds from a high-powered rifle.<br>The shots came while Childs was attempting to help police locate Christopher Speight, who authorities believe killed eight people Tuesday in a deadly rampage in Appomattox County.<br>Checking out the exterior of the helicopter, he noticed the fuel tank had been hit by one of the rounds.<br>In all, seven shots hit the chopper, damaging the underbelly, the fuel tank and one of the rotors.<br>Childs is no stranger to violence. His daughter, Heidi, a Virginia Tech student, was killed in Montgomery County in August with her boyfriend, David Metzler. That crime has not been solved.</i> </p><p><a href="http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/state\_regional/article/APPO26S1\_20100125-221604/320083/" title="timesdispatch.com">Pilot of downed police helicopter cites 'divine intervention'</a> [timesdispatch.com]P&gt;</p><p>
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<tokenext>In the United States , we 'll shoot at helicopters with actual people in them .
If you are wanted for the murder of eight in Virginia - or think adding " Cop Killer " to your rap sheet is worth a mod up to + 4 .
Childs admitted that when he took a job flying the state 's MedFlight helicopter , he did n't expect to face the threat of small-arms fire very often.Last week , the state police helicopter he was flying took seven rounds from a high-powered rifle.The shots came while Childs was attempting to help police locate Christopher Speight , who authorities believe killed eight people Tuesday in a deadly rampage in Appomattox County.Checking out the exterior of the helicopter , he noticed the fuel tank had been hit by one of the rounds.In all , seven shots hit the chopper , damaging the underbelly , the fuel tank and one of the rotors.Childs is no stranger to violence .
His daughter , Heidi , a Virginia Tech student , was killed in Montgomery County in August with her boyfriend , David Metzler .
That crime has not been solved .
Pilot of downed police helicopter cites 'divine intervention ' [ timesdispatch.com ] P &gt;  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the United States, we'll shoot at helicopters with actual people in them.
If you are wanted for the murder of eight in Virginia - or think adding "Cop Killer" to your rap sheet is worth a mod up to +4.
Childs admitted that when he took a job flying the state's MedFlight helicopter, he didn't expect to face the threat of small-arms fire very often.Last week, the state police helicopter he was flying took seven rounds from a high-powered rifle.The shots came while Childs was attempting to help police locate Christopher Speight, who authorities believe killed eight people Tuesday in a deadly rampage in Appomattox County.Checking out the exterior of the helicopter, he noticed the fuel tank had been hit by one of the rounds.In all, seven shots hit the chopper, damaging the underbelly, the fuel tank and one of the rotors.Childs is no stranger to violence.
His daughter, Heidi, a Virginia Tech student, was killed in Montgomery County in August with her boyfriend, David Metzler.
That crime has not been solved.
Pilot of downed police helicopter cites 'divine intervention' [timesdispatch.com]P&gt;
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	<title>Remember remember the fifth of November</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264534800000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>lets hope they use these,<br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MQ-1\_Predator<br>(Iraq insurgents hack into video feeds, which are not encrypted, using a $26 Russian software named SkyGrabber. The encryption for the ROVER feeds were removed for performance reasons.)</p><p>i might buy myself some Satellite tuning card / dish.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>lets hope they use these,http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MQ-1 \ _Predator ( Iraq insurgents hack into video feeds , which are not encrypted , using a $ 26 Russian software named SkyGrabber .
The encryption for the ROVER feeds were removed for performance reasons .
) i might buy myself some Satellite tuning card / dish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lets hope they use these,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MQ-1\_Predator(Iraq insurgents hack into video feeds, which are not encrypted, using a $26 Russian software named SkyGrabber.
The encryption for the ROVER feeds were removed for performance reasons.
)i might buy myself some Satellite tuning card / dish.</sentencetext>
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