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	<title>Bach Launches Updated MP3 Format</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1264406460000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes to tell us that Bach Technology has rolled out an <a href="http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/mp3-developers-launch-digital-file-successor-3132">updated MP3 file format</a> in a bid to combat music piracy.  Dubbed "MusicDNA," the new format offers embedded "updatable premium content" like lyrics, videos, news updates, and album artwork.  <i>"Using the new technology, music labels and bands will be able to send updates to the music files &ndash; with tour dates, interviews or updates to social networking pages &ndash; while illegally-downloaded files remain static. ... No major labels have signed up to use MusicDNA so far, but British record company Beggars Group and US label Tommy Boy are both on board. However, the files are likely to be more expensive than MP3 files &ndash; according to the BBC &ndash; and will have to compete with Apple's iTunes LP, which already provides additional content such as bonus tracks, lyrics and video interviews."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes to tell us that Bach Technology has rolled out an updated MP3 file format in a bid to combat music piracy .
Dubbed " MusicDNA , " the new format offers embedded " updatable premium content " like lyrics , videos , news updates , and album artwork .
" Using the new technology , music labels and bands will be able to send updates to the music files    with tour dates , interviews or updates to social networking pages    while illegally-downloaded files remain static .
... No major labels have signed up to use MusicDNA so far , but British record company Beggars Group and US label Tommy Boy are both on board .
However , the files are likely to be more expensive than MP3 files    according to the BBC    and will have to compete with Apple 's iTunes LP , which already provides additional content such as bonus tracks , lyrics and video interviews .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes to tell us that Bach Technology has rolled out an updated MP3 file format in a bid to combat music piracy.
Dubbed "MusicDNA," the new format offers embedded "updatable premium content" like lyrics, videos, news updates, and album artwork.
"Using the new technology, music labels and bands will be able to send updates to the music files – with tour dates, interviews or updates to social networking pages – while illegally-downloaded files remain static.
... No major labels have signed up to use MusicDNA so far, but British record company Beggars Group and US label Tommy Boy are both on board.
However, the files are likely to be more expensive than MP3 files – according to the BBC – and will have to compete with Apple's iTunes LP, which already provides additional content such as bonus tracks, lyrics and video interviews.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895604</id>
	<title>Semi-Obligatory</title>
	<author>The Redster!</author>
	<datestamp>1264413420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Ahhhhh, Bach!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Ahhhhh , Bach !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Ahhhhh, Bach!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896002</id>
	<title>Thanks, but no</title>
	<author>Arancaytar</author>
	<datestamp>1264415040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll be keeping my "static", spam-free music, thank you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll be keeping my " static " , spam-free music , thank you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll be keeping my "static", spam-free music, thank you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30898528</id>
	<title>Re:Comical</title>
	<author>maccodemonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1264426440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AAC is also DRM free, if you follow the formats specs. And it has better compression with better quality. Yes, Apple had their own DRM'd version of AAC at one point, but they've since gone to using the pure DRM free spec.</p><p>I'm really surprised they didn't go with AAC. Most players support DRM free AAC already, and it's the far superior format.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AAC is also DRM free , if you follow the formats specs .
And it has better compression with better quality .
Yes , Apple had their own DRM 'd version of AAC at one point , but they 've since gone to using the pure DRM free spec.I 'm really surprised they did n't go with AAC .
Most players support DRM free AAC already , and it 's the far superior format .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AAC is also DRM free, if you follow the formats specs.
And it has better compression with better quality.
Yes, Apple had their own DRM'd version of AAC at one point, but they've since gone to using the pure DRM free spec.I'm really surprised they didn't go with AAC.
Most players support DRM free AAC already, and it's the far superior format.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895686</id>
	<title>Re:Combatting Piracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264413720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Listening to music just entices them to spend $200 a ticket to see the live performance on stage.</i></p><p>Lining the pockets of ticketmaster, an entity possibly more evil than the RIAA labels. In 1976 a ticket to see ELO, Journey, and Golden Earring together at Kiel auditorium in St Louis (all three bands, one after the other) cost $5 -- and those were the expensive seats. The cheap seats cost $3. That was the going price. Googling shows the price of bread four years later at fifty cents; I pay a dollar now at County Market. <a href="http://qrc.depaul.edu/djabon/cpi.htm#5" title="depaul.edu">Here's a chart.</a> [depaul.edu]</p><p>Why has the price of bread merely doubled while the price of a concert ticket has soared to <b>four hundred times</b> what it was then?</p><p>I'll stick to local bands, thanks; I may be a nerd but I'm not Bill Gates and I can't afford $200 to see the Rolling Stones, especially when I paid three dollars to see <i>Blind Faith</i> and <i>Yes</i>. And the local guys are not only as talented (well, some of them aren't) but I can drink a beer while listening and I only pay a $3 to $5 cover charge.</p><p>The only thing I know of that has shot up in price like that is medical care and illegal drugs. These people don't need guns to steal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Listening to music just entices them to spend $ 200 a ticket to see the live performance on stage.Lining the pockets of ticketmaster , an entity possibly more evil than the RIAA labels .
In 1976 a ticket to see ELO , Journey , and Golden Earring together at Kiel auditorium in St Louis ( all three bands , one after the other ) cost $ 5 -- and those were the expensive seats .
The cheap seats cost $ 3 .
That was the going price .
Googling shows the price of bread four years later at fifty cents ; I pay a dollar now at County Market .
Here 's a chart .
[ depaul.edu ] Why has the price of bread merely doubled while the price of a concert ticket has soared to four hundred times what it was then ? I 'll stick to local bands , thanks ; I may be a nerd but I 'm not Bill Gates and I ca n't afford $ 200 to see the Rolling Stones , especially when I paid three dollars to see Blind Faith and Yes .
And the local guys are not only as talented ( well , some of them are n't ) but I can drink a beer while listening and I only pay a $ 3 to $ 5 cover charge.The only thing I know of that has shot up in price like that is medical care and illegal drugs .
These people do n't need guns to steal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Listening to music just entices them to spend $200 a ticket to see the live performance on stage.Lining the pockets of ticketmaster, an entity possibly more evil than the RIAA labels.
In 1976 a ticket to see ELO, Journey, and Golden Earring together at Kiel auditorium in St Louis (all three bands, one after the other) cost $5 -- and those were the expensive seats.
The cheap seats cost $3.
That was the going price.
Googling shows the price of bread four years later at fifty cents; I pay a dollar now at County Market.
Here's a chart.
[depaul.edu]Why has the price of bread merely doubled while the price of a concert ticket has soared to four hundred times what it was then?I'll stick to local bands, thanks; I may be a nerd but I'm not Bill Gates and I can't afford $200 to see the Rolling Stones, especially when I paid three dollars to see Blind Faith and Yes.
And the local guys are not only as talented (well, some of them aren't) but I can drink a beer while listening and I only pay a $3 to $5 cover charge.The only thing I know of that has shot up in price like that is medical care and illegal drugs.
These people don't need guns to steal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895616</id>
	<title>Except...</title>
	<author>IANAAC</author>
	<datestamp>1264413480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Except that all this can be freely had with many of the media players out there.
<p>
I don't know if iTunes player does this (don't use, but I suspect it does), but both Rhythmbox and Amarok can get all this information automatically through plugins.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that all this can be freely had with many of the media players out there .
I do n't know if iTunes player does this ( do n't use , but I suspect it does ) , but both Rhythmbox and Amarok can get all this information automatically through plugins .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that all this can be freely had with many of the media players out there.
I don't know if iTunes player does this (don't use, but I suspect it does), but both Rhythmbox and Amarok can get all this information automatically through plugins.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894908</id>
	<title>Great.</title>
	<author>Gerafix</author>
	<datestamp>1264410540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now I'll have music DNA smeared all over my HDD? Like having DNA smeared all over my keyboard wasn't enough, thanks Corporate Overlords!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now I 'll have music DNA smeared all over my HDD ?
Like having DNA smeared all over my keyboard was n't enough , thanks Corporate Overlords !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now I'll have music DNA smeared all over my HDD?
Like having DNA smeared all over my keyboard wasn't enough, thanks Corporate Overlords!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894966</id>
	<title>Out of touch?</title>
	<author>Anonymusing</author>
	<datestamp>1264410720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FTA:</p><blockquote><div><p>Only last week it was reported that the first file-sharing trial in the UK had ended in acquittal. Alan Ellis, the founder of large-scale pirate music website Oink's Pink Palace, was cleared of defrauding thousands of pounds from record labels and musicians on the grounds that Oink did not host any music itself, but simply indexed the files users had available on their computers. &ldquo;All I do is really like Google, to really provide a connection between people,&rdquo; he told police officers. </p><p>The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) is now preparing to launch civil proceedings against Ellis, claiming that the verdict was a &ldquo;terrible disappointment&rdquo; which shows that &ldquo;the law is so out of touch with where life is these days&rdquo;.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>If the law is "out of touch with where life is these days," how can we possibly describe the distance of "out of touch" that truly reflects the recording industry?  </p><ul> <li>"The recording industry is practically prehistoric compared with where life is these days."</li>
<li>"The recording industry is like a coprolite from the Mesozaic era compared with where life is these days."</li>
<li>"The recording industry should be called Homo Moronus compared with where life is these days."</li>
<li>"The recording industry is \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ compared with where life is these days."</li>
</ul><p>What say you?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>FTA : Only last week it was reported that the first file-sharing trial in the UK had ended in acquittal .
Alan Ellis , the founder of large-scale pirate music website Oink 's Pink Palace , was cleared of defrauding thousands of pounds from record labels and musicians on the grounds that Oink did not host any music itself , but simply indexed the files users had available on their computers .
   All I do is really like Google , to really provide a connection between people ,    he told police officers .
The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry ( IFPI ) is now preparing to launch civil proceedings against Ellis , claiming that the verdict was a    terrible disappointment    which shows that    the law is so out of touch with where life is these days    .
If the law is " out of touch with where life is these days , " how can we possibly describe the distance of " out of touch " that truly reflects the recording industry ?
" The recording industry is practically prehistoric compared with where life is these days .
" " The recording industry is like a coprolite from the Mesozaic era compared with where life is these days .
" " The recording industry should be called Homo Moronus compared with where life is these days .
" " The recording industry is \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ compared with where life is these days .
" What say you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTA:Only last week it was reported that the first file-sharing trial in the UK had ended in acquittal.
Alan Ellis, the founder of large-scale pirate music website Oink's Pink Palace, was cleared of defrauding thousands of pounds from record labels and musicians on the grounds that Oink did not host any music itself, but simply indexed the files users had available on their computers.
“All I do is really like Google, to really provide a connection between people,” he told police officers.
The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) is now preparing to launch civil proceedings against Ellis, claiming that the verdict was a “terrible disappointment” which shows that “the law is so out of touch with where life is these days”.
If the law is "out of touch with where life is these days," how can we possibly describe the distance of "out of touch" that truly reflects the recording industry?
"The recording industry is practically prehistoric compared with where life is these days.
"
"The recording industry is like a coprolite from the Mesozaic era compared with where life is these days.
"
"The recording industry should be called Homo Moronus compared with where life is these days.
"
"The recording industry is \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ compared with where life is these days.
"
What say you?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895248</id>
	<title>MP3 with embedded lyrics? Irrelevant.</title>
	<author>GreatBunzinni</author>
	<datestamp>1264412040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you happen to be one of those lucky persons who happen to have adopted a media player such as <a href="http://amarok.kde.org/" title="kde.org">Amarok</a> [kde.org] as their media player of choice then you can simply open Amarok's script manager and install <a href="http://lyrics.wikia.com/LyricWiki:Plugins" title="wikia.com">the LyricWiki plugin</a> [wikia.com].  That enables your media player of choice to just dish out any particular words to a song you wish to access.  The beauty of this plugin/site combo is that you can get any lyrics you wish for any obscure artist and perfectly independent of any corporation, media player and even format in which your songs are stored.  And album artwork? You already get that by default in Amarok.</p><p>So where exactly is there a need for an encumbered, defective, unsupported and obscure format to be able to do exactly what countless people are already doing at this very moment?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you happen to be one of those lucky persons who happen to have adopted a media player such as Amarok [ kde.org ] as their media player of choice then you can simply open Amarok 's script manager and install the LyricWiki plugin [ wikia.com ] .
That enables your media player of choice to just dish out any particular words to a song you wish to access .
The beauty of this plugin/site combo is that you can get any lyrics you wish for any obscure artist and perfectly independent of any corporation , media player and even format in which your songs are stored .
And album artwork ?
You already get that by default in Amarok.So where exactly is there a need for an encumbered , defective , unsupported and obscure format to be able to do exactly what countless people are already doing at this very moment ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you happen to be one of those lucky persons who happen to have adopted a media player such as Amarok [kde.org] as their media player of choice then you can simply open Amarok's script manager and install the LyricWiki plugin [wikia.com].
That enables your media player of choice to just dish out any particular words to a song you wish to access.
The beauty of this plugin/site combo is that you can get any lyrics you wish for any obscure artist and perfectly independent of any corporation, media player and even format in which your songs are stored.
And album artwork?
You already get that by default in Amarok.So where exactly is there a need for an encumbered, defective, unsupported and obscure format to be able to do exactly what countless people are already doing at this very moment?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30900030</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>AmberBlackCat</author>
	<datestamp>1264438620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This isn't going to take off because it won't play on an iPod.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't going to take off because it wo n't play on an iPod .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't going to take off because it won't play on an iPod.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896650</id>
	<title>And nobody cared</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1264417260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Customers have already standardized on MP3 as the format of choice. Meanwhile, distributors seem be backing AAC for the sake of DRM. All bases are covered already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Customers have already standardized on MP3 as the format of choice .
Meanwhile , distributors seem be backing AAC for the sake of DRM .
All bases are covered already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Customers have already standardized on MP3 as the format of choice.
Meanwhile, distributors seem be backing AAC for the sake of DRM.
All bases are covered already.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895892</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>Jeremy Erwin</author>
	<datestamp>1264414560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>HILDEBRAND Hi. I'm <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-Tune" title="wikipedia.org">Andy Hildebrand,</a> [wikipedia.org] and I'm here with my good friend <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vapor\_Trails" title="wikipedia.org">Paul Northfield</a> [wikipedia.org], and we're here to discuss why this albums sounds the way it does.<br>NORTHFIELD: What's so impressive about this album? I'd like to point out that this track is particularly loud. By keeping the basic beat at fairly steady -0.5 dbFS, we were able to achieve a dynamic punch heretofore unrealized in the industry.<br>HILDEBRAND: One of the problems with singing that loudly, of course is that sometimes a singer's voice distorts. By applying a proprietary algorithm, we able to ensure that the distortion is minimal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>HILDEBRAND Hi .
I 'm Andy Hildebrand , [ wikipedia.org ] and I 'm here with my good friend Paul Northfield [ wikipedia.org ] , and we 're here to discuss why this albums sounds the way it does.NORTHFIELD : What 's so impressive about this album ?
I 'd like to point out that this track is particularly loud .
By keeping the basic beat at fairly steady -0.5 dbFS , we were able to achieve a dynamic punch heretofore unrealized in the industry.HILDEBRAND : One of the problems with singing that loudly , of course is that sometimes a singer 's voice distorts .
By applying a proprietary algorithm , we able to ensure that the distortion is minimal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HILDEBRAND Hi.
I'm Andy Hildebrand, [wikipedia.org] and I'm here with my good friend Paul Northfield [wikipedia.org], and we're here to discuss why this albums sounds the way it does.NORTHFIELD: What's so impressive about this album?
I'd like to point out that this track is particularly loud.
By keeping the basic beat at fairly steady -0.5 dbFS, we were able to achieve a dynamic punch heretofore unrealized in the industry.HILDEBRAND: One of the problems with singing that loudly, of course is that sometimes a singer's voice distorts.
By applying a proprietary algorithm, we able to ensure that the distortion is minimal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895092</id>
	<title>Tried and true methods</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264411260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least its not too difficult to utilize the internal mic and record a track as a good-old-mp3 file.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least its not too difficult to utilize the internal mic and record a track as a good-old-mp3 file .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least its not too difficult to utilize the internal mic and record a track as a good-old-mp3 file.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30897034</id>
	<title>Excellent!</title>
	<author>Nerdposeur</author>
	<datestamp>1264418880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, this just takes MP3s to a whole new level!</p><p>Why MP3s are great:</p><p>1) They work on every device</p><p>Reasons to use these new MP3s:</p><p>1) They don't work on every device<br>2) They can do stuff that web sites and email already do better<br>3) They compromise your privacy and possibly your security<br>4) Like all DRM, they can misidentify you as a thief and disable your music</p><p>Wait, something is wrong with that second list...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , this just takes MP3s to a whole new level ! Why MP3s are great : 1 ) They work on every deviceReasons to use these new MP3s : 1 ) They do n't work on every device2 ) They can do stuff that web sites and email already do better3 ) They compromise your privacy and possibly your security4 ) Like all DRM , they can misidentify you as a thief and disable your musicWait , something is wrong with that second list.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, this just takes MP3s to a whole new level!Why MP3s are great:1) They work on every deviceReasons to use these new MP3s:1) They don't work on every device2) They can do stuff that web sites and email already do better3) They compromise your privacy and possibly your security4) Like all DRM, they can misidentify you as a thief and disable your musicWait, something is wrong with that second list...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30897426</id>
	<title>Finally! Someone else gets it.</title>
	<author>NemosomeN</author>
	<datestamp>1264421220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know this will probably not be well received, but I think this is genuinely a step in the right direction.  Content owners need to accept the fact that if they want their DRM to succeed, they need to ADD value, not reduce it.  And while I don't necessarily see this specific implementation is being too great (It doesn't add enough value for me), I think it's good that someone else finally gets this concept.  I know I'm not alone in the fact that I am willing to pay a little extra for games that have good DRM.  What is good DRM? Steam.  One company has gotten this right, and they are raking in money because of it.  They are even raking in money from other companies' flops and old titles, as well as a load of new ones.  And knowing that I never have to keep track of a game disc again is nice.  Of course, any company can (and will) fail.  Steam won't be around forever.  But the fact is, I'd rather buy a game on Steam than download a Steam-cracked version (Though I admit, I played Portal cracked - I do own it now though).  This format is surely not the be-all end-all, in fact it's nothing special.  If you took a normal MP3 or AAC file, you could write a program that would update it online.  iTunes could have this feature added with no format changes - though it would probably leave more security holes with the file in the clear every time it's updated.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know this will probably not be well received , but I think this is genuinely a step in the right direction .
Content owners need to accept the fact that if they want their DRM to succeed , they need to ADD value , not reduce it .
And while I do n't necessarily see this specific implementation is being too great ( It does n't add enough value for me ) , I think it 's good that someone else finally gets this concept .
I know I 'm not alone in the fact that I am willing to pay a little extra for games that have good DRM .
What is good DRM ?
Steam. One company has gotten this right , and they are raking in money because of it .
They are even raking in money from other companies ' flops and old titles , as well as a load of new ones .
And knowing that I never have to keep track of a game disc again is nice .
Of course , any company can ( and will ) fail .
Steam wo n't be around forever .
But the fact is , I 'd rather buy a game on Steam than download a Steam-cracked version ( Though I admit , I played Portal cracked - I do own it now though ) .
This format is surely not the be-all end-all , in fact it 's nothing special .
If you took a normal MP3 or AAC file , you could write a program that would update it online .
iTunes could have this feature added with no format changes - though it would probably leave more security holes with the file in the clear every time it 's updated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know this will probably not be well received, but I think this is genuinely a step in the right direction.
Content owners need to accept the fact that if they want their DRM to succeed, they need to ADD value, not reduce it.
And while I don't necessarily see this specific implementation is being too great (It doesn't add enough value for me), I think it's good that someone else finally gets this concept.
I know I'm not alone in the fact that I am willing to pay a little extra for games that have good DRM.
What is good DRM?
Steam.  One company has gotten this right, and they are raking in money because of it.
They are even raking in money from other companies' flops and old titles, as well as a load of new ones.
And knowing that I never have to keep track of a game disc again is nice.
Of course, any company can (and will) fail.
Steam won't be around forever.
But the fact is, I'd rather buy a game on Steam than download a Steam-cracked version (Though I admit, I played Portal cracked - I do own it now though).
This format is surely not the be-all end-all, in fact it's nothing special.
If you took a normal MP3 or AAC file, you could write a program that would update it online.
iTunes could have this feature added with no format changes - though it would probably leave more security holes with the file in the clear every time it's updated.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895372</id>
	<title>phone home</title>
	<author>phrostie</author>
	<datestamp>1264412520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and to make this work does the mp3 phone home or does it require a new player that phones home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and to make this work does the mp3 phone home or does it require a new player that phones home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and to make this work does the mp3 phone home or does it require a new player that phones home.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30903262</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Audience?</title>
	<author>amazeofdeath</author>
	<datestamp>1264516980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Torrentfreak should read their source (the survey linked in the article) before going into their own conclusions. Page two of the survey paper shows that "music sharers" spend the least on music, and by a large margin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Torrentfreak should read their source ( the survey linked in the article ) before going into their own conclusions .
Page two of the survey paper shows that " music sharers " spend the least on music , and by a large margin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Torrentfreak should read their source (the survey linked in the article) before going into their own conclusions.
Page two of the survey paper shows that "music sharers" spend the least on music, and by a large margin.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896552</id>
	<title>Re:Just another avenue to spread viruses</title>
	<author>Grishnakh</author>
	<datestamp>1264416900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why should they care about that?  It's not their problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why should they care about that ?
It 's not their problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why should they care about that?
It's not their problem.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895636</id>
	<title>Bach Technlologies? Who are they?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264413540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ok the article states:<blockquote><div><p>"MusicDNA was developed by Norwegian firm Bach Technology, <b>the company that also created the MP3 file</b>, in an attempt to combat illegal file-sharing."</p></div></blockquote><p> (emphasis mine)
Ok well I am sorry but I do not understand. According to ematch.eu:</p><blockquote><div><p>Founded in March 2007, BACH is a new and fast growing music technology company. BACH has achieved a strategic partnership with Fraunhofer IDMT, an internationally proven and trusted institution in the music industry. In December 2009 BACH finalized it's first major investment round. Shareholders include Karlheinz Brandenburg (one of the inventor of the MP3 algorithm), 247 Inc. (the company of Shigeo Maruyama, the former Sony Music and Sony Computing CEO) and the German VC b-mt.</p></div> </blockquote><p>
So, how is the company responcible for mp3 format, because Karlheinz Brandenburg was responsible for one of the mp3 algorithms? And, he is just a shareholder. By far, he was not the only one who brought it about, and his implementation was one of several that made it into market. But as you can see -- the major shareholders are the music industry, specifically 247 Inc, the arm of Sony who are interested in it.

In short Bach Technologies are overstating their credentials. They did not create MP3 and this was done for no other reason then an attempt to bring more DRM into the fold of the market.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok the article states : " MusicDNA was developed by Norwegian firm Bach Technology , the company that also created the MP3 file , in an attempt to combat illegal file-sharing .
" ( emphasis mine ) Ok well I am sorry but I do not understand .
According to ematch.eu : Founded in March 2007 , BACH is a new and fast growing music technology company .
BACH has achieved a strategic partnership with Fraunhofer IDMT , an internationally proven and trusted institution in the music industry .
In December 2009 BACH finalized it 's first major investment round .
Shareholders include Karlheinz Brandenburg ( one of the inventor of the MP3 algorithm ) , 247 Inc. ( the company of Shigeo Maruyama , the former Sony Music and Sony Computing CEO ) and the German VC b-mt .
So , how is the company responcible for mp3 format , because Karlheinz Brandenburg was responsible for one of the mp3 algorithms ?
And , he is just a shareholder .
By far , he was not the only one who brought it about , and his implementation was one of several that made it into market .
But as you can see -- the major shareholders are the music industry , specifically 247 Inc , the arm of Sony who are interested in it .
In short Bach Technologies are overstating their credentials .
They did not create MP3 and this was done for no other reason then an attempt to bring more DRM into the fold of the market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok the article states:"MusicDNA was developed by Norwegian firm Bach Technology, the company that also created the MP3 file, in an attempt to combat illegal file-sharing.
" (emphasis mine)
Ok well I am sorry but I do not understand.
According to ematch.eu:Founded in March 2007, BACH is a new and fast growing music technology company.
BACH has achieved a strategic partnership with Fraunhofer IDMT, an internationally proven and trusted institution in the music industry.
In December 2009 BACH finalized it's first major investment round.
Shareholders include Karlheinz Brandenburg (one of the inventor of the MP3 algorithm), 247 Inc. (the company of Shigeo Maruyama, the former Sony Music and Sony Computing CEO) and the German VC b-mt.
So, how is the company responcible for mp3 format, because Karlheinz Brandenburg was responsible for one of the mp3 algorithms?
And, he is just a shareholder.
By far, he was not the only one who brought it about, and his implementation was one of several that made it into market.
But as you can see -- the major shareholders are the music industry, specifically 247 Inc, the arm of Sony who are interested in it.
In short Bach Technologies are overstating their credentials.
They did not create MP3 and this was done for no other reason then an attempt to bring more DRM into the fold of the market.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30898216</id>
	<title>Norwegian newspaper: Automatic DJ-function</title>
	<author>maggern</author>
	<datestamp>1264424760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to an article in the Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten[.no] the format also has extra cool features: <br> <br>

Rough cut'n'paste from google translate:<br>
<i>  "- Unlike today, where you only get the disc and song titles, the Music DNA could provide descriptions of tempo, mood, energy and rhythm of the song. This makes the music file is extremely searchable"</i>
<br>
<br> <b>
If those features could be incorporated in a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.mp3-format (non-DRM) then that would be great.
<br> </b>
<br>Links:
<br>
<a href="http://www.aftenposten.no/kul\_und/musikk/article3483050.ece" title="aftenposten.no" rel="nofollow">http://www.aftenposten.no/kul\_und/musikk/article3483050.ece</a> [aftenposten.no]
<br>http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&amp;prev=\_t&amp;hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;layout=1&amp;eotf=1&amp;u=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fwww.aftenposten.no\%2Fkul\_und\%2Fmusikk\%2Farticle3483050.ece&amp;sl=no&amp;tl=en</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to an article in the Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten [ .no ] the format also has extra cool features : Rough cut'n'paste from google translate : " - Unlike today , where you only get the disc and song titles , the Music DNA could provide descriptions of tempo , mood , energy and rhythm of the song .
This makes the music file is extremely searchable " If those features could be incorporated in a .mp3-format ( non-DRM ) then that would be great .
Links : http : //www.aftenposten.no/kul \ _und/musikk/article3483050.ece [ aftenposten.no ] http : //translate.google.com/translate ? js = y&amp;prev = \ _t&amp;hl = en&amp;ie = UTF-8&amp;layout = 1&amp;eotf = 1&amp;u = http \ % 3A \ % 2F \ % 2Fwww.aftenposten.no \ % 2Fkul \ _und \ % 2Fmusikk \ % 2Farticle3483050.ece&amp;sl = no&amp;tl = en</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to an article in the Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten[.no] the format also has extra cool features:  

Rough cut'n'paste from google translate:
  "- Unlike today, where you only get the disc and song titles, the Music DNA could provide descriptions of tempo, mood, energy and rhythm of the song.
This makes the music file is extremely searchable"

 
If those features could be incorporated in a .mp3-format (non-DRM) then that would be great.
Links:

http://www.aftenposten.no/kul\_und/musikk/article3483050.ece [aftenposten.no]
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&amp;prev=\_t&amp;hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;layout=1&amp;eotf=1&amp;u=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fwww.aftenposten.no\%2Fkul\_und\%2Fmusikk\%2Farticle3483050.ece&amp;sl=no&amp;tl=en</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895936</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1264414740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is!  the OSS version is available in the <a href="http://lame.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">http://lame.sourceforge.net/</a> [sourceforge.net] project on sourceforge.</p><p>Honestly, a properly set up lame encoder can generate a MP3 that even a audiophile listening on his $89,000 speakers going through the virgin gold plated no oxygen directional speaker wires can hear the difference.</p><p>I have some 320kbps VBR files made from a SACD rip of Supertramp Crime of the century that are absolutely incredible, they sound better than a standard CD of the same album.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is !
the OSS version is available in the http : //lame.sourceforge.net/ [ sourceforge.net ] project on sourceforge.Honestly , a properly set up lame encoder can generate a MP3 that even a audiophile listening on his $ 89,000 speakers going through the virgin gold plated no oxygen directional speaker wires can hear the difference.I have some 320kbps VBR files made from a SACD rip of Supertramp Crime of the century that are absolutely incredible , they sound better than a standard CD of the same album .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is!
the OSS version is available in the http://lame.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net] project on sourceforge.Honestly, a properly set up lame encoder can generate a MP3 that even a audiophile listening on his $89,000 speakers going through the virgin gold plated no oxygen directional speaker wires can hear the difference.I have some 320kbps VBR files made from a SACD rip of Supertramp Crime of the century that are absolutely incredible, they sound better than a standard CD of the same album.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895334</id>
	<title>Bach mp3? no-way</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264412400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It wasn't Bach it was The German company Fraunhofer-Gesellshaft that did mp3 in the first place. Extremely shoddy article.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was n't Bach it was The German company Fraunhofer-Gesellshaft that did mp3 in the first place .
Extremely shoddy article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It wasn't Bach it was The German company Fraunhofer-Gesellshaft that did mp3 in the first place.
Extremely shoddy article.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895474</id>
	<title>Sounds like a good reason to pirate music</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1264412880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I buy my MP3s from Amazon now. They're high quality, cheap, lack DRM and it has what I want in the meta data, the title, album, track no. and album art. There are a lot of unnecessary fields already, like lyrics that I find no one uses and for good reason, it's an MP3 and no one cares.
<br> <br>
It's bad enough Amarok has decided to put a big freaking wiki window in the middle of the player making me uninstall it, I certainly don't want blogs, videos, tour dates and, rest assured, security risks in my music.
<br> <br>
Anyone that has seen the joy of WMA and WMV files polluting porno on P2P networks knows this is a bad thing We don't need a platform independent version of shitty media files.
<br> <br>
Without a doubt if this format took off I would quit paying for music until it dies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I buy my MP3s from Amazon now .
They 're high quality , cheap , lack DRM and it has what I want in the meta data , the title , album , track no .
and album art .
There are a lot of unnecessary fields already , like lyrics that I find no one uses and for good reason , it 's an MP3 and no one cares .
It 's bad enough Amarok has decided to put a big freaking wiki window in the middle of the player making me uninstall it , I certainly do n't want blogs , videos , tour dates and , rest assured , security risks in my music .
Anyone that has seen the joy of WMA and WMV files polluting porno on P2P networks knows this is a bad thing We do n't need a platform independent version of shitty media files .
Without a doubt if this format took off I would quit paying for music until it dies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I buy my MP3s from Amazon now.
They're high quality, cheap, lack DRM and it has what I want in the meta data, the title, album, track no.
and album art.
There are a lot of unnecessary fields already, like lyrics that I find no one uses and for good reason, it's an MP3 and no one cares.
It's bad enough Amarok has decided to put a big freaking wiki window in the middle of the player making me uninstall it, I certainly don't want blogs, videos, tour dates and, rest assured, security risks in my music.
Anyone that has seen the joy of WMA and WMV files polluting porno on P2P networks knows this is a bad thing We don't need a platform independent version of shitty media files.
Without a doubt if this format took off I would quit paying for music until it dies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30897372</id>
	<title>More industry collusion</title>
	<author>zogger</author>
	<datestamp>1264420920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just more cartel and collusion efforts to keep the prices of digitized bits extraordinarily higher than what a true market price would be, based on costs of making new copies. They have been so afraid to try a real market based approach, and make their money on migh higher sales, that they keep coming up with all this DRM nonsense and getting new laws and restrictions on the books, etc. This is not advancing society, it isn't anything for them to be proud of, and goes against every other major technical breakthrough humans have ever come up with. They are killing off replicator technology on purpose, throwing huge restrictions on it, and it has been a major blunder of a precedent.</p><p>*Eventually* there is going to be a credible lawsuit and court challenge that sorts out this mass collusion and multi cross cartel price fixing for products that have price X to produce in the first place, then all the official legal offerings/copies are are a hundred to a thousand times X at legal retail, when the real cost of a copy is a small fraction of a small fraction of that. Playing make believe that there is a natural scarcity of digital products, that they are the same as a tangible manufactured product.. is simply..well, it is silly, stupid, pretty nutso, short sighted, flies in the face of advancing the arts and sciences, flies in the face of having any government of all the people in the first place, etc. We are being held back by this terrible practice.</p><p>car related analogy,not exact but close: If the price of oil was 50 bucks a barrel to produce it, and cost for a gallon of fuel at all the "legal" pumps was 5,000 or 10,000 bucks, I think people would notice that someplace in there there was some serious shenanigans and price fixing and price gouging going on. With digital down loadable products, with the ability to make incredibly cheap "new copies" of said product, no matter what it is, it seems to still be unnoticed by any regulatory bodies as to what "fair and reasonable" might be.</p><p>And we have legal precedent to do this, well established, and I bet thoroughly enjoyed with no complaints whatsoever from the same exaqct people who want to maintain those ludicrous price gouging prices for digital products. We have municipal water supplies that are regulated so as to remain affordable, reasonable, and as fair as possible. Just take a wonder there if it was totally privatized and was sold at "what the market could bear" price, which phrase I *know* will be the first bitch about what I am writing about. Really, what do you imagine the price of water would get to then? How about centralized electricity delivery? You may have a few choices on that bill, but you are also having an overall reasonable cap on the prices set by your public utility commission, and the providers must go before them and make a fair case on any price increases they want. If it wasn't regulated thusly, they could wait for the biggest heat wave of the summer and up your price to 1,000\% of what it was previously the day before. Take it or leave it Mr. sweaty guy, take it or leave it. Sure, you could do that... Or the coldest day of the winter and up your natgas delivery price 1000\%. Now how about if the natgas guys, the electricity guys, the fuel oil guys, all of the above all set their prices at the same time up a thousand or ten thousand percent higher? That's the situation we have right now tith digital products, across the industry. Would people really go for that sort of thing with those other products? How about if all the major grocery stores just one day decide they were going to quintuple their prices on everything? Would the market bear that price? Well, of course, you could "choose" to just not eat that week, and "wait for the market to sort itself out better". Kinda hard when they are all doing the same exact thing too, though..that's why it is called a cartel, and why when stuff like this happens, we have congressional investigations and so on, because we are civilized, and decided a long time ago that business needed some regulati</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just more cartel and collusion efforts to keep the prices of digitized bits extraordinarily higher than what a true market price would be , based on costs of making new copies .
They have been so afraid to try a real market based approach , and make their money on migh higher sales , that they keep coming up with all this DRM nonsense and getting new laws and restrictions on the books , etc .
This is not advancing society , it is n't anything for them to be proud of , and goes against every other major technical breakthrough humans have ever come up with .
They are killing off replicator technology on purpose , throwing huge restrictions on it , and it has been a major blunder of a precedent .
* Eventually * there is going to be a credible lawsuit and court challenge that sorts out this mass collusion and multi cross cartel price fixing for products that have price X to produce in the first place , then all the official legal offerings/copies are are a hundred to a thousand times X at legal retail , when the real cost of a copy is a small fraction of a small fraction of that .
Playing make believe that there is a natural scarcity of digital products , that they are the same as a tangible manufactured product.. is simply..well , it is silly , stupid , pretty nutso , short sighted , flies in the face of advancing the arts and sciences , flies in the face of having any government of all the people in the first place , etc .
We are being held back by this terrible practice.car related analogy,not exact but close : If the price of oil was 50 bucks a barrel to produce it , and cost for a gallon of fuel at all the " legal " pumps was 5,000 or 10,000 bucks , I think people would notice that someplace in there there was some serious shenanigans and price fixing and price gouging going on .
With digital down loadable products , with the ability to make incredibly cheap " new copies " of said product , no matter what it is , it seems to still be unnoticed by any regulatory bodies as to what " fair and reasonable " might be.And we have legal precedent to do this , well established , and I bet thoroughly enjoyed with no complaints whatsoever from the same exaqct people who want to maintain those ludicrous price gouging prices for digital products .
We have municipal water supplies that are regulated so as to remain affordable , reasonable , and as fair as possible .
Just take a wonder there if it was totally privatized and was sold at " what the market could bear " price , which phrase I * know * will be the first bitch about what I am writing about .
Really , what do you imagine the price of water would get to then ?
How about centralized electricity delivery ?
You may have a few choices on that bill , but you are also having an overall reasonable cap on the prices set by your public utility commission , and the providers must go before them and make a fair case on any price increases they want .
If it was n't regulated thusly , they could wait for the biggest heat wave of the summer and up your price to 1,000 \ % of what it was previously the day before .
Take it or leave it Mr. sweaty guy , take it or leave it .
Sure , you could do that... Or the coldest day of the winter and up your natgas delivery price 1000 \ % .
Now how about if the natgas guys , the electricity guys , the fuel oil guys , all of the above all set their prices at the same time up a thousand or ten thousand percent higher ?
That 's the situation we have right now tith digital products , across the industry .
Would people really go for that sort of thing with those other products ?
How about if all the major grocery stores just one day decide they were going to quintuple their prices on everything ?
Would the market bear that price ?
Well , of course , you could " choose " to just not eat that week , and " wait for the market to sort itself out better " .
Kinda hard when they are all doing the same exact thing too , though..that 's why it is called a cartel , and why when stuff like this happens , we have congressional investigations and so on , because we are civilized , and decided a long time ago that business needed some regulati</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just more cartel and collusion efforts to keep the prices of digitized bits extraordinarily higher than what a true market price would be, based on costs of making new copies.
They have been so afraid to try a real market based approach, and make their money on migh higher sales, that they keep coming up with all this DRM nonsense and getting new laws and restrictions on the books, etc.
This is not advancing society, it isn't anything for them to be proud of, and goes against every other major technical breakthrough humans have ever come up with.
They are killing off replicator technology on purpose, throwing huge restrictions on it, and it has been a major blunder of a precedent.
*Eventually* there is going to be a credible lawsuit and court challenge that sorts out this mass collusion and multi cross cartel price fixing for products that have price X to produce in the first place, then all the official legal offerings/copies are are a hundred to a thousand times X at legal retail, when the real cost of a copy is a small fraction of a small fraction of that.
Playing make believe that there is a natural scarcity of digital products, that they are the same as a tangible manufactured product.. is simply..well, it is silly, stupid, pretty nutso, short sighted, flies in the face of advancing the arts and sciences, flies in the face of having any government of all the people in the first place, etc.
We are being held back by this terrible practice.car related analogy,not exact but close: If the price of oil was 50 bucks a barrel to produce it, and cost for a gallon of fuel at all the "legal" pumps was 5,000 or 10,000 bucks, I think people would notice that someplace in there there was some serious shenanigans and price fixing and price gouging going on.
With digital down loadable products, with the ability to make incredibly cheap "new copies" of said product, no matter what it is, it seems to still be unnoticed by any regulatory bodies as to what "fair and reasonable" might be.And we have legal precedent to do this, well established, and I bet thoroughly enjoyed with no complaints whatsoever from the same exaqct people who want to maintain those ludicrous price gouging prices for digital products.
We have municipal water supplies that are regulated so as to remain affordable, reasonable, and as fair as possible.
Just take a wonder there if it was totally privatized and was sold at "what the market could bear" price, which phrase I *know* will be the first bitch about what I am writing about.
Really, what do you imagine the price of water would get to then?
How about centralized electricity delivery?
You may have a few choices on that bill, but you are also having an overall reasonable cap on the prices set by your public utility commission, and the providers must go before them and make a fair case on any price increases they want.
If it wasn't regulated thusly, they could wait for the biggest heat wave of the summer and up your price to 1,000\% of what it was previously the day before.
Take it or leave it Mr. sweaty guy, take it or leave it.
Sure, you could do that... Or the coldest day of the winter and up your natgas delivery price 1000\%.
Now how about if the natgas guys, the electricity guys, the fuel oil guys, all of the above all set their prices at the same time up a thousand or ten thousand percent higher?
That's the situation we have right now tith digital products, across the industry.
Would people really go for that sort of thing with those other products?
How about if all the major grocery stores just one day decide they were going to quintuple their prices on everything?
Would the market bear that price?
Well, of course, you could "choose" to just not eat that week, and "wait for the market to sort itself out better".
Kinda hard when they are all doing the same exact thing too, though..that's why it is called a cartel, and why when stuff like this happens, we have congressional investigations and so on, because we are civilized, and decided a long time ago that business needed some regulati</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895256</id>
	<title>Re:Extra content</title>
	<author>Lonewolf666</author>
	<datestamp>1264412100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With the spam factor that other posters have already mentioned, this only means the right time to pirate it is once artwork and lyrics have been added. At that point, any further "content" is likely unwanted.</p><p>This said, if the copyright owners play it smart, they might be able to delay the inevitable rise of pirate editions by a few months. Release an album with the bare minimum of content, then keep adding bonus tracks and more artwork for some time. That gives a reason for either buying it or waiting. People with "must-have-now-syndrome" might buy in that situation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the spam factor that other posters have already mentioned , this only means the right time to pirate it is once artwork and lyrics have been added .
At that point , any further " content " is likely unwanted.This said , if the copyright owners play it smart , they might be able to delay the inevitable rise of pirate editions by a few months .
Release an album with the bare minimum of content , then keep adding bonus tracks and more artwork for some time .
That gives a reason for either buying it or waiting .
People with " must-have-now-syndrome " might buy in that situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the spam factor that other posters have already mentioned, this only means the right time to pirate it is once artwork and lyrics have been added.
At that point, any further "content" is likely unwanted.This said, if the copyright owners play it smart, they might be able to delay the inevitable rise of pirate editions by a few months.
Release an album with the bare minimum of content, then keep adding bonus tracks and more artwork for some time.
That gives a reason for either buying it or waiting.
People with "must-have-now-syndrome" might buy in that situation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30902674</id>
	<title>That's all fine and dandy, but...</title>
	<author>vegiVamp</author>
	<datestamp>1264513200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does the volume in the new format go to 11 ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does the volume in the new format go to 11 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does the volume in the new format go to 11 ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894996</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1264410840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Opt-in, not mandatory.</p><p>So if you want to buy music legitly, you have the option of having the bonus features, similar to those on a DVD or Blu Ray. Its just incentive to buy over pirating.</p><p>Which is the best way to go about it, and we all know it. That way they can have their cake and we get to eat ours.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Opt-in , not mandatory.So if you want to buy music legitly , you have the option of having the bonus features , similar to those on a DVD or Blu Ray .
Its just incentive to buy over pirating.Which is the best way to go about it , and we all know it .
That way they can have their cake and we get to eat ours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Opt-in, not mandatory.So if you want to buy music legitly, you have the option of having the bonus features, similar to those on a DVD or Blu Ray.
Its just incentive to buy over pirating.Which is the best way to go about it, and we all know it.
That way they can have their cake and we get to eat ours.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894756</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894874</id>
	<title>AC Launches Massive Deuce</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264410480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An anonymous submitter writes to tell us that he caused quite a splash today when he centered his little brown ring over the big white ring and dropped a massive pile of brown velvet today. More details to come.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous submitter writes to tell us that he caused quite a splash today when he centered his little brown ring over the big white ring and dropped a massive pile of brown velvet today .
More details to come .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous submitter writes to tell us that he caused quite a splash today when he centered his little brown ring over the big white ring and dropped a massive pile of brown velvet today.
More details to come.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30898688</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>Rysc</author>
	<datestamp>1264427160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course id3 "can" do these things, but it's mostly useless. Some players and editors b0rk tags they don't understand, or break on tags they don't understand. Most players support one or another way of storing this or that... but there is little consistency in terms of features and less in terms of expected format for those features.</p><p>I have mp3s with BPM set by some player, but I cannot read it properly in any player I have. Album covers set in one app don't show up in another. The list of problems goes on endlessly.</p><p>At least with mkv you're pretty sure that if it's supported the format in the file is consistent such that apps don't break it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course id3 " can " do these things , but it 's mostly useless .
Some players and editors b0rk tags they do n't understand , or break on tags they do n't understand .
Most players support one or another way of storing this or that... but there is little consistency in terms of features and less in terms of expected format for those features.I have mp3s with BPM set by some player , but I can not read it properly in any player I have .
Album covers set in one app do n't show up in another .
The list of problems goes on endlessly.At least with mkv you 're pretty sure that if it 's supported the format in the file is consistent such that apps do n't break it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course id3 "can" do these things, but it's mostly useless.
Some players and editors b0rk tags they don't understand, or break on tags they don't understand.
Most players support one or another way of storing this or that... but there is little consistency in terms of features and less in terms of expected format for those features.I have mp3s with BPM set by some player, but I cannot read it properly in any player I have.
Album covers set in one app don't show up in another.
The list of problems goes on endlessly.At least with mkv you're pretty sure that if it's supported the format in the file is consistent such that apps don't break it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896472</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894986</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Audience?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264410780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, you are correct.</p><p>This is a perfect example of a techies invention looking for a solution.</p><p>Sometimes things like this takes off and other times it doesn't. I think this is a dead end as far as an into-piracy technology. OTOH, I see this being used by the recording industry to increase profits - in the meantime, the RIAA continuing with its anti-piracy legal system shenanigans.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , you are correct.This is a perfect example of a techies invention looking for a solution.Sometimes things like this takes off and other times it does n't .
I think this is a dead end as far as an into-piracy technology .
OTOH , I see this being used by the recording industry to increase profits - in the meantime , the RIAA continuing with its anti-piracy legal system shenanigans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, you are correct.This is a perfect example of a techies invention looking for a solution.Sometimes things like this takes off and other times it doesn't.
I think this is a dead end as far as an into-piracy technology.
OTOH, I see this being used by the recording industry to increase profits - in the meantime, the RIAA continuing with its anti-piracy legal system shenanigans.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894826</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30902052</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>Dan541</author>
	<datestamp>1264506360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's what you get for trying to do the right thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what you get for trying to do the right thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what you get for trying to do the right thing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894756</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894808</id>
	<title>Extra content</title>
	<author>e2d2</author>
	<datestamp>1264410240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given that one of the main reasons for buying music over simply downloading it is art work, lyrics, and extra content, this might not be a bad idea. IF you can truly restrict access. Otherwise you're just giving more reason to pirate the format.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given that one of the main reasons for buying music over simply downloading it is art work , lyrics , and extra content , this might not be a bad idea .
IF you can truly restrict access .
Otherwise you 're just giving more reason to pirate the format .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given that one of the main reasons for buying music over simply downloading it is art work, lyrics, and extra content, this might not be a bad idea.
IF you can truly restrict access.
Otherwise you're just giving more reason to pirate the format.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30902006</id>
	<title>Is that the right comparison?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264505820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Really folks when a song is less than 99 cents it isn't worth my time to pirate it. If I like it I will buy it.</p></div><p>When it takes me just as long to buy a song as it does to pirate it, the 0 minutes saved really isn't worth my 99 cents.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Really folks when a song is less than 99 cents it is n't worth my time to pirate it .
If I like it I will buy it.When it takes me just as long to buy a song as it does to pirate it , the 0 minutes saved really is n't worth my 99 cents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really folks when a song is less than 99 cents it isn't worth my time to pirate it.
If I like it I will buy it.When it takes me just as long to buy a song as it does to pirate it, the 0 minutes saved really isn't worth my 99 cents.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895148</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30899792</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Audience?</title>
	<author>StuartHankins</author>
	<datestamp>1264436640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's because they still have money because they didn't buy the albums...</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's because they still have money because they did n't buy the albums.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's because they still have money because they didn't buy the albums...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895030</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895148</id>
	<title>Re:Combatting Piracy</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1264411560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You left out drop the price.<br>Really folks when a song is less than 99 cents it isn't worth my time to pirate it. If I like it I will buy it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You left out drop the price.Really folks when a song is less than 99 cents it is n't worth my time to pirate it .
If I like it I will buy it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You left out drop the price.Really folks when a song is less than 99 cents it isn't worth my time to pirate it.
If I like it I will buy it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895022</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30899380</id>
	<title>Reminds me of Sony's MiniDisc...</title>
	<author>ghostis</author>
	<datestamp>1264432740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A new format with technically sophisticated features that doesn't seem to be quite in tune (pardon the pun) with what most users want...  I was reminded of this when I saw that someone had tossed a case of 7 mini discs into the recycling box today.  There was no post on the company "for sale" board, even for free - they were simply deemed useless.  I think there will be a "digital album format" eventually, since many think the general concept is nice, but it will take a few design rounds to get it right.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A new format with technically sophisticated features that does n't seem to be quite in tune ( pardon the pun ) with what most users want... I was reminded of this when I saw that someone had tossed a case of 7 mini discs into the recycling box today .
There was no post on the company " for sale " board , even for free - they were simply deemed useless .
I think there will be a " digital album format " eventually , since many think the general concept is nice , but it will take a few design rounds to get it right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A new format with technically sophisticated features that doesn't seem to be quite in tune (pardon the pun) with what most users want...  I was reminded of this when I saw that someone had tossed a case of 7 mini discs into the recycling box today.
There was no post on the company "for sale" board, even for free - they were simply deemed useless.
I think there will be a "digital album format" eventually, since many think the general concept is nice, but it will take a few design rounds to get it right.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895220</id>
	<title>Eh...</title>
	<author>Pojut</author>
	<datestamp>1264411920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>......I could be wrong here but the kind of people so interested in the extras noted in TFA they want them included with their digital purchase are likely the kind of people who abhor piracy anyway, or at least wouldn't pirate the music of their favourite artists.  Also, it is worth nothing that the extras they mentioned are all things that could be found elsewhere online.  I don't really see how collecting that information into one place and adding to the storage space required for a music collection would help stop piracy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>......I could be wrong here but the kind of people so interested in the extras noted in TFA they want them included with their digital purchase are likely the kind of people who abhor piracy anyway , or at least would n't pirate the music of their favourite artists .
Also , it is worth nothing that the extras they mentioned are all things that could be found elsewhere online .
I do n't really see how collecting that information into one place and adding to the storage space required for a music collection would help stop piracy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>......I could be wrong here but the kind of people so interested in the extras noted in TFA they want them included with their digital purchase are likely the kind of people who abhor piracy anyway, or at least wouldn't pirate the music of their favourite artists.
Also, it is worth nothing that the extras they mentioned are all things that could be found elsewhere online.
I don't really see how collecting that information into one place and adding to the storage space required for a music collection would help stop piracy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895414</id>
	<title>The irony .... and, shove it.</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1264412700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the irony is that the company is named after the father of western classical (and therefore rather, contemporary) music, father Bach. but they, in lieu of his generousity, openness and productivity that ushered in a global era of music, are trying to make music closed. shameful. despicable.</p><p>and as we all very well know, your format is as good as its acceptance. if the 'internet and digital community' does not accept your format, and players and sites support it and propagate it, you can only shove a format up your ass.</p><p>and thats what going to happen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the irony is that the company is named after the father of western classical ( and therefore rather , contemporary ) music , father Bach .
but they , in lieu of his generousity , openness and productivity that ushered in a global era of music , are trying to make music closed .
shameful. despicable.and as we all very well know , your format is as good as its acceptance .
if the 'internet and digital community ' does not accept your format , and players and sites support it and propagate it , you can only shove a format up your ass.and thats what going to happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the irony is that the company is named after the father of western classical (and therefore rather, contemporary) music, father Bach.
but they, in lieu of his generousity, openness and productivity that ushered in a global era of music, are trying to make music closed.
shameful. despicable.and as we all very well know, your format is as good as its acceptance.
if the 'internet and digital community' does not accept your format, and players and sites support it and propagate it, you can only shove a format up your ass.and thats what going to happen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896504</id>
	<title>Re:Bach Technlologies? Who are they?</title>
	<author>MSZ</author>
	<datestamp>1264416720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An ex-Sony CEO?</p><p>So free bonus rootkit is in the works! Yay!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An ex-Sony CEO ? So free bonus rootkit is in the works !
Yay !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An ex-Sony CEO?So free bonus rootkit is in the works!
Yay!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895278</id>
	<title>Easiest solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264412160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Put an URL in a ID3 tag that links to a website that requires you to log in with your account you used to purchase the mp3.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Put an URL in a ID3 tag that links to a website that requires you to log in with your account you used to purchase the mp3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Put an URL in a ID3 tag that links to a website that requires you to log in with your account you used to purchase the mp3.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894882</id>
	<title>Comical</title>
	<author>rbrander</author>
	<datestamp>1264410480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...a "successor to MP3", which removes the most popular feature of MP3, the ability to control your own purchased copy of the property.   Yeah, that'll bring back the customers you chased away with the last 3 attempts at controlled digital content.</p><p>It can be "updated"...who wants to bet that one kind of "update" is like the Amazon "update" of their sale of Orwell's '1984'...total deletion.</p><p>Do not pass "Go", do not collect millions of customers...go directly to the ash-heap of computer history.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...a " successor to MP3 " , which removes the most popular feature of MP3 , the ability to control your own purchased copy of the property .
Yeah , that 'll bring back the customers you chased away with the last 3 attempts at controlled digital content.It can be " updated " ...who wants to bet that one kind of " update " is like the Amazon " update " of their sale of Orwell 's '1984'...total deletion.Do not pass " Go " , do not collect millions of customers...go directly to the ash-heap of computer history .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...a "successor to MP3", which removes the most popular feature of MP3, the ability to control your own purchased copy of the property.
Yeah, that'll bring back the customers you chased away with the last 3 attempts at controlled digital content.It can be "updated"...who wants to bet that one kind of "update" is like the Amazon "update" of their sale of Orwell's '1984'...total deletion.Do not pass "Go", do not collect millions of customers...go directly to the ash-heap of computer history.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30897298</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264420500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The fact that the disc is SACD is irrelevant.  Your rip came from the normal CD-audio layer.</p><p>Sounds <i>better</i> than the CD?  Please.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact that the disc is SACD is irrelevant .
Your rip came from the normal CD-audio layer.Sounds better than the CD ?
Please .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact that the disc is SACD is irrelevant.
Your rip came from the normal CD-audio layer.Sounds better than the CD?
Please.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895936</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894914</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>infinite9</author>
	<datestamp>1264410540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope it's an open standard so someone can write a utility to strip all the crap from the "new and improved" mp3 files.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope it 's an open standard so someone can write a utility to strip all the crap from the " new and improved " mp3 files .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope it's an open standard so someone can write a utility to strip all the crap from the "new and improved" mp3 files.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894756</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896472</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1264416600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the coolest format is actually Matroska. Cover, a playable album in one file. Alternate versions / remixes, lyrics, and free metadata / attached files of choice.<br>Of course, ID3 &amp; co can already do most of that.<br>But I would love to see more files ending in MKA.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the coolest format is actually Matroska .
Cover , a playable album in one file .
Alternate versions / remixes , lyrics , and free metadata / attached files of choice.Of course , ID3 &amp; co can already do most of that.But I would love to see more files ending in MKA .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the coolest format is actually Matroska.
Cover, a playable album in one file.
Alternate versions / remixes, lyrics, and free metadata / attached files of choice.Of course, ID3 &amp; co can already do most of that.But I would love to see more files ending in MKA.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894872</id>
	<title>Oh, yeah, I predict rapid widespread adoption . .</title>
	<author>mmell</author>
	<datestamp>1264410420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Of FLAC, OGG and (probably to a huge extent) LAME.  After all, Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder, right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of FLAC , OGG and ( probably to a huge extent ) LAME .
After all , Lame Ai n't an MP3 Encoder , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of FLAC, OGG and (probably to a huge extent) LAME.
After all, Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder, right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896144</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>BeardedChimp</author>
	<datestamp>1264415520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I like the quote from the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/jan/24/musicdna-digital-music-file" title="guardian.co.uk">guardian</a> [guardian.co.uk] article:<p><div class="quote"><p>Their imagination is their only limit  If MP3s were the cassette, MusicDNA will be the CD."</p></div><p>
Lets hope this crashes and burns.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I like the quote from the guardian [ guardian.co.uk ] article : Their imagination is their only limit If MP3s were the cassette , MusicDNA will be the CD .
" Lets hope this crashes and burns .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like the quote from the guardian [guardian.co.uk] article:Their imagination is their only limit  If MP3s were the cassette, MusicDNA will be the CD.
"
Lets hope this crashes and burns.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896924</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Audience?</title>
	<author>T Murphy</author>
	<datestamp>1264418280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you haven't heard a musician tell you to go download their music, you haven't been to many concerts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have n't heard a musician tell you to go download their music , you have n't been to many concerts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you haven't heard a musician tell you to go download their music, you haven't been to many concerts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895030</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Audience?</title>
	<author>Korin43</author>
	<datestamp>1264411020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/pirates-are-the-music-industrys-most-valuable-customers-100122/" title="torrentfreak.com">pirates are the music industry's more valuable customers</a> [torrentfreak.com]. It turns out that people who download the most music actually go to the most concerts and buy the most music also. It's still a terrible idea though, since it's basically mp3's with built in ads. I'm not sure where they will find people willing to pay extra for that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , pirates are the music industry 's more valuable customers [ torrentfreak.com ] .
It turns out that people who download the most music actually go to the most concerts and buy the most music also .
It 's still a terrible idea though , since it 's basically mp3 's with built in ads .
I 'm not sure where they will find people willing to pay extra for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, pirates are the music industry's more valuable customers [torrentfreak.com].
It turns out that people who download the most music actually go to the most concerts and buy the most music also.
It's still a terrible idea though, since it's basically mp3's with built in ads.
I'm not sure where they will find people willing to pay extra for that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30900480</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>wiredlogic</author>
	<datestamp>1264442820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TFA was lacking in any real info but I would surmise that the extra content (at least the video and dynamic content) is not being embedded. Rather, I suppose that there is a signed payload unique to the owne... licensee that is stored as a tag and that can be submitted to a server to gain access to the extra content. If your file is found floating around the internets they can invalidate that tag on your copy and lock you out for the copyright violation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TFA was lacking in any real info but I would surmise that the extra content ( at least the video and dynamic content ) is not being embedded .
Rather , I suppose that there is a signed payload unique to the owne... licensee that is stored as a tag and that can be submitted to a server to gain access to the extra content .
If your file is found floating around the internets they can invalidate that tag on your copy and lock you out for the copyright violation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TFA was lacking in any real info but I would surmise that the extra content (at least the video and dynamic content) is not being embedded.
Rather, I suppose that there is a signed payload unique to the owne... licensee that is stored as a tag and that can be submitted to a server to gain access to the extra content.
If your file is found floating around the internets they can invalidate that tag on your copy and lock you out for the copyright violation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30897860</id>
	<title>Well...</title>
	<author>Smooth and Shiny</author>
	<datestamp>1264423140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have absolutely no interest in this "new technology." I am going back to my vinyl LPs. I shall invent the portable record player.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have absolutely no interest in this " new technology .
" I am going back to my vinyl LPs .
I shall invent the portable record player .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have absolutely no interest in this "new technology.
" I am going back to my vinyl LPs.
I shall invent the portable record player.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896588</id>
	<title>My new updated boxer shorts</title>
	<author>realmolo</author>
	<datestamp>1264417020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These new boxer shorts have a special coating that makes them immune to "treadmarks". They come in a variety of fashionable colors. Another great feature is that they slowly dissolve your balls, which gives a "roomier" fit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These new boxer shorts have a special coating that makes them immune to " treadmarks " .
They come in a variety of fashionable colors .
Another great feature is that they slowly dissolve your balls , which gives a " roomier " fit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These new boxer shorts have a special coating that makes them immune to "treadmarks".
They come in a variety of fashionable colors.
Another great feature is that they slowly dissolve your balls, which gives a "roomier" fit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895328</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Audience?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1264412400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What you say is true, but torentfreak isn't a good citation, as it has an obvious bias. How about <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/apr/21/study-finds-pirates-buy-more-music" title="guardian.co.uk">the Guardian?</a> [guardian.co.uk]</p><blockquote><div><p>Study finds pirates 10 times more likely to buy music<br>According to research, those who download 'free' music are also the industry's largest audience for digital sales</p><p>Everybody knows that music sales have continued to fall in recent years, and that filesharing is usually blamed. We are made to imagine legions of internet criminals, their fingers on track-pads, downloading songs via BitTorrent and never paying for anything. One of the only bits of good news amid this doom and gloom is the steady rise in digital music sales. Millions of internet do-gooders, their fingers on track-pads, who pay for songs they like - purchasing them from Amazon or iTunes Music Store. And yet according to Professor Anne-Britt Gran's new research, these two groups may be the same.</p><p>Wisely, the study did not rely on music pirates' honesty. Researchers asked music buyers to prove that they had proof of purchase.</p><p>The paper's conclusions emerge just as Sweden's Pirate Bay trial comes to a close. Pirate Bay's four defendants, who helped operate the notorious BitTorrent tracker, were sentenced to a year in jail and fined 30m SEK (&pound;2,500,000) in damages.</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What you say is true , but torentfreak is n't a good citation , as it has an obvious bias .
How about the Guardian ?
[ guardian.co.uk ] Study finds pirates 10 times more likely to buy musicAccording to research , those who download 'free ' music are also the industry 's largest audience for digital salesEverybody knows that music sales have continued to fall in recent years , and that filesharing is usually blamed .
We are made to imagine legions of internet criminals , their fingers on track-pads , downloading songs via BitTorrent and never paying for anything .
One of the only bits of good news amid this doom and gloom is the steady rise in digital music sales .
Millions of internet do-gooders , their fingers on track-pads , who pay for songs they like - purchasing them from Amazon or iTunes Music Store .
And yet according to Professor Anne-Britt Gran 's new research , these two groups may be the same.Wisely , the study did not rely on music pirates ' honesty .
Researchers asked music buyers to prove that they had proof of purchase.The paper 's conclusions emerge just as Sweden 's Pirate Bay trial comes to a close .
Pirate Bay 's four defendants , who helped operate the notorious BitTorrent tracker , were sentenced to a year in jail and fined 30m SEK (   2,500,000 ) in damages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you say is true, but torentfreak isn't a good citation, as it has an obvious bias.
How about the Guardian?
[guardian.co.uk]Study finds pirates 10 times more likely to buy musicAccording to research, those who download 'free' music are also the industry's largest audience for digital salesEverybody knows that music sales have continued to fall in recent years, and that filesharing is usually blamed.
We are made to imagine legions of internet criminals, their fingers on track-pads, downloading songs via BitTorrent and never paying for anything.
One of the only bits of good news amid this doom and gloom is the steady rise in digital music sales.
Millions of internet do-gooders, their fingers on track-pads, who pay for songs they like - purchasing them from Amazon or iTunes Music Store.
And yet according to Professor Anne-Britt Gran's new research, these two groups may be the same.Wisely, the study did not rely on music pirates' honesty.
Researchers asked music buyers to prove that they had proof of purchase.The paper's conclusions emerge just as Sweden's Pirate Bay trial comes to a close.
Pirate Bay's four defendants, who helped operate the notorious BitTorrent tracker, were sentenced to a year in jail and fined 30m SEK (£2,500,000) in damages.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894956</id>
	<title>Oh Great!</title>
	<author>pm\_rat\_poison</author>
	<datestamp>1264410660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>More expensive DRM-laden adware music! This is JUST what we need to change our minds about NOT CARING about music enterprises! Making the lives of the pirates easier compared to those who pay for the content is such a great idea! It's worked before, hasn't it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>More expensive DRM-laden adware music !
This is JUST what we need to change our minds about NOT CARING about music enterprises !
Making the lives of the pirates easier compared to those who pay for the content is such a great idea !
It 's worked before , has n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More expensive DRM-laden adware music!
This is JUST what we need to change our minds about NOT CARING about music enterprises!
Making the lives of the pirates easier compared to those who pay for the content is such a great idea!
It's worked before, hasn't it?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896918</id>
	<title>Re:Bach mp3? no-way</title>
	<author>alvieboy</author>
	<datestamp>1264418280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I already posted a comment on their site depicting that. Guess - the comment did not appear so far.</p><p>"Your comment might take a while to show due to technical reasons"... sure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I already posted a comment on their site depicting that .
Guess - the comment did not appear so far .
" Your comment might take a while to show due to technical reasons " ... sure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I already posted a comment on their site depicting that.
Guess - the comment did not appear so far.
"Your comment might take a while to show due to technical reasons"... sure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895296</id>
	<title>Reduced Price?</title>
	<author>HockeyPuck</author>
	<datestamp>1264412280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope it's cheaper to buy the ad/interview/cover art/lyrics free file since it'll be smaller.  I have no interest in downloading a 20MB<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.mp3.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope it 's cheaper to buy the ad/interview/cover art/lyrics free file since it 'll be smaller .
I have no interest in downloading a 20MB .mp3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope it's cheaper to buy the ad/interview/cover art/lyrics free file since it'll be smaller.
I have no interest in downloading a 20MB .mp3.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30901704</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>gedw99</author>
	<datestamp>1264501620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The idea of incorporatin lyrics and thumbnails into the music file format IS smart.</p><p>Also as far as opening up the music biz to independent artists the idea of having the artists web page in the music file format is also good.<br>This allows any users to be able to go to their web page to check tour dates etc.</p><p>everything else is pointless.</p><p>But a singel file format with this extra meta data makes perfect sense.</p><p>It can ALL be done as part of an extension to the ID tags specification of cource easily. and is the best open standard way to to it</p><p>ged</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The idea of incorporatin lyrics and thumbnails into the music file format IS smart.Also as far as opening up the music biz to independent artists the idea of having the artists web page in the music file format is also good.This allows any users to be able to go to their web page to check tour dates etc.everything else is pointless.But a singel file format with this extra meta data makes perfect sense.It can ALL be done as part of an extension to the ID tags specification of cource easily .
and is the best open standard way to to itged</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The idea of incorporatin lyrics and thumbnails into the music file format IS smart.Also as far as opening up the music biz to independent artists the idea of having the artists web page in the music file format is also good.This allows any users to be able to go to their web page to check tour dates etc.everything else is pointless.But a singel file format with this extra meta data makes perfect sense.It can ALL be done as part of an extension to the ID tags specification of cource easily.
and is the best open standard way to to itged</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30921414</id>
	<title>srcrew this. i'm going ogg all the way</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264622280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not falling for their plan of dominance. I'm now in the process of re-ripping all my CDs into OGG and doing away with my MP3s. Enough is enough.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not falling for their plan of dominance .
I 'm now in the process of re-ripping all my CDs into OGG and doing away with my MP3s .
Enough is enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not falling for their plan of dominance.
I'm now in the process of re-ripping all my CDs into OGG and doing away with my MP3s.
Enough is enough.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894946</id>
	<title>Just another avenue to spread viruses</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1264410660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Using the new technology, music labels and bands will be able to send updates to the music files &ndash; with tour dates, interviews or updates to social networking pages</p> </div><p>
They forgot to mention that this would also provide an exploit for malware writers to use to get into people's machines.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Using the new technology , music labels and bands will be able to send updates to the music files    with tour dates , interviews or updates to social networking pages They forgot to mention that this would also provide an exploit for malware writers to use to get into people 's machines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using the new technology, music labels and bands will be able to send updates to the music files – with tour dates, interviews or updates to social networking pages 
They forgot to mention that this would also provide an exploit for malware writers to use to get into people's machines.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895354</id>
	<title>Nice thinking</title>
	<author>Angst Badger</author>
	<datestamp>1264412460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So the idea is to discourage piracy trying to sell people additional content that, by the very act of pirating music, they have indicated they can happily live without?</p><p>Marketing people aren't just idiots, they're idiot-savants. If a planet-killer asteroid was entering the atmosphere at this very moment, they'd be scheduling a meeting for later in the week to discuss how to put a banner ad on it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So the idea is to discourage piracy trying to sell people additional content that , by the very act of pirating music , they have indicated they can happily live without ? Marketing people are n't just idiots , they 're idiot-savants .
If a planet-killer asteroid was entering the atmosphere at this very moment , they 'd be scheduling a meeting for later in the week to discuss how to put a banner ad on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the idea is to discourage piracy trying to sell people additional content that, by the very act of pirating music, they have indicated they can happily live without?Marketing people aren't just idiots, they're idiot-savants.
If a planet-killer asteroid was entering the atmosphere at this very moment, they'd be scheduling a meeting for later in the week to discuss how to put a banner ad on it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895412</id>
	<title>Just what I've always wanted!</title>
	<author>Kral\_Blbec</author>
	<datestamp>1264412700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another 10,000 files on my computer regularly sending autoupdate requests and using my internet connection at random times without my knowledge! <br>I HATE autoupdate functions that run an applet in the background (java, acrobat reader, etc). Is it really too much to ask to only do a version check when I run the program, or put it in the task scheduler to run an applet occasionally rather than keep another process alive at all times?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another 10,000 files on my computer regularly sending autoupdate requests and using my internet connection at random times without my knowledge !
I HATE autoupdate functions that run an applet in the background ( java , acrobat reader , etc ) .
Is it really too much to ask to only do a version check when I run the program , or put it in the task scheduler to run an applet occasionally rather than keep another process alive at all times ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another 10,000 files on my computer regularly sending autoupdate requests and using my internet connection at random times without my knowledge!
I HATE autoupdate functions that run an applet in the background (java, acrobat reader, etc).
Is it really too much to ask to only do a version check when I run the program, or put it in the task scheduler to run an applet occasionally rather than keep another process alive at all times?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895846</id>
	<title>Re:Comical</title>
	<author>canajin56</author>
	<datestamp>1264414380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
You don't know for sure that's how it works.  Take an MP3 file, put a unique ID and a URL into the metadata.  Add a special codec to WMP to play the "new" file format.  Now when WMP loads the file, it checks with their URL in the usual DRM way.  If it finds you're authorized, you can stream the extra videos and play them straight from WMP, and it could also use the info bar at the bottom that normally just says the track# and song name, to show upcoming concerts, album releases, and other updates from the band and/or publisher.  And I'm sure, so that info is there with or without your net connection, those RSS-like updates could be stored in the metadata as well.  Meanwhile, it's still basically just an MP3, so any MP3 player will still play it, minus the extras in the metadata.
</p><p>
The format I just described matches their description, if you assume their description was a bit loose with the term "embedded", since the videos would be "embedded" as links, not as in the entire video clip crammed into the file.  This reading makes sense, in that they say that the file, if pirated, would sit there static, without the extras.  My "scheme" would do just that, file still plays, still has whatever announcements were cached, but the DRM servers won't push you any new updates, and the links to the "embedded" video clips wouldn't play.  And as for your statement about the option to erase the file, well, I think the DRM window is supposed to be sandboxed, so it can't get at your file system, only tell WMP what changes to make to the metadata.  (though, of course, virus writers get around this all the time, and DRM writers don't seem any more scrupulous).
</p><p>
Of course, I'm just assuming that the "illegally downloaded" copy of the file would still play as a normal music file.  Since they say the extras don't work, I think that implies the music itself still works, else they would say the file doesn't work at all, rather than limiting their statement to the extras.  But you know what they say about assuming. Cynically, this interpretation makes too much sense, and wouldn't be horribly intrusive and obnoxious, so it seems pretty unlikely.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't know for sure that 's how it works .
Take an MP3 file , put a unique ID and a URL into the metadata .
Add a special codec to WMP to play the " new " file format .
Now when WMP loads the file , it checks with their URL in the usual DRM way .
If it finds you 're authorized , you can stream the extra videos and play them straight from WMP , and it could also use the info bar at the bottom that normally just says the track # and song name , to show upcoming concerts , album releases , and other updates from the band and/or publisher .
And I 'm sure , so that info is there with or without your net connection , those RSS-like updates could be stored in the metadata as well .
Meanwhile , it 's still basically just an MP3 , so any MP3 player will still play it , minus the extras in the metadata .
The format I just described matches their description , if you assume their description was a bit loose with the term " embedded " , since the videos would be " embedded " as links , not as in the entire video clip crammed into the file .
This reading makes sense , in that they say that the file , if pirated , would sit there static , without the extras .
My " scheme " would do just that , file still plays , still has whatever announcements were cached , but the DRM servers wo n't push you any new updates , and the links to the " embedded " video clips would n't play .
And as for your statement about the option to erase the file , well , I think the DRM window is supposed to be sandboxed , so it ca n't get at your file system , only tell WMP what changes to make to the metadata .
( though , of course , virus writers get around this all the time , and DRM writers do n't seem any more scrupulous ) .
Of course , I 'm just assuming that the " illegally downloaded " copy of the file would still play as a normal music file .
Since they say the extras do n't work , I think that implies the music itself still works , else they would say the file does n't work at all , rather than limiting their statement to the extras .
But you know what they say about assuming .
Cynically , this interpretation makes too much sense , and would n't be horribly intrusive and obnoxious , so it seems pretty unlikely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
You don't know for sure that's how it works.
Take an MP3 file, put a unique ID and a URL into the metadata.
Add a special codec to WMP to play the "new" file format.
Now when WMP loads the file, it checks with their URL in the usual DRM way.
If it finds you're authorized, you can stream the extra videos and play them straight from WMP, and it could also use the info bar at the bottom that normally just says the track# and song name, to show upcoming concerts, album releases, and other updates from the band and/or publisher.
And I'm sure, so that info is there with or without your net connection, those RSS-like updates could be stored in the metadata as well.
Meanwhile, it's still basically just an MP3, so any MP3 player will still play it, minus the extras in the metadata.
The format I just described matches their description, if you assume their description was a bit loose with the term "embedded", since the videos would be "embedded" as links, not as in the entire video clip crammed into the file.
This reading makes sense, in that they say that the file, if pirated, would sit there static, without the extras.
My "scheme" would do just that, file still plays, still has whatever announcements were cached, but the DRM servers won't push you any new updates, and the links to the "embedded" video clips wouldn't play.
And as for your statement about the option to erase the file, well, I think the DRM window is supposed to be sandboxed, so it can't get at your file system, only tell WMP what changes to make to the metadata.
(though, of course, virus writers get around this all the time, and DRM writers don't seem any more scrupulous).
Of course, I'm just assuming that the "illegally downloaded" copy of the file would still play as a normal music file.
Since they say the extras don't work, I think that implies the music itself still works, else they would say the file doesn't work at all, rather than limiting their statement to the extras.
But you know what they say about assuming.
Cynically, this interpretation makes too much sense, and wouldn't be horribly intrusive and obnoxious, so it seems pretty unlikely.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894880</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>alop</author>
	<datestamp>1264410480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like a misguided effort. What I really want, is high-quality audio in smaller file sizes. It seems like they're creating a solution without a problem, or for the wrong problem.</p><p>I understand the point of incentivizing legitimate downloads, but the incentive here is something I (or just about anyone) can get with a quick google search.</p><p>If they really want to incentivize legit downloads, give me exclusive content or, life-like audio... Heck, I'd take the music equivalent of "Director's Commentary" over their proposal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like a misguided effort .
What I really want , is high-quality audio in smaller file sizes .
It seems like they 're creating a solution without a problem , or for the wrong problem.I understand the point of incentivizing legitimate downloads , but the incentive here is something I ( or just about anyone ) can get with a quick google search.If they really want to incentivize legit downloads , give me exclusive content or , life-like audio... Heck , I 'd take the music equivalent of " Director 's Commentary " over their proposal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like a misguided effort.
What I really want, is high-quality audio in smaller file sizes.
It seems like they're creating a solution without a problem, or for the wrong problem.I understand the point of incentivizing legitimate downloads, but the incentive here is something I (or just about anyone) can get with a quick google search.If they really want to incentivize legit downloads, give me exclusive content or, life-like audio... Heck, I'd take the music equivalent of "Director's Commentary" over their proposal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895000</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>jollyreaper</author>
	<datestamp>1264410840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So if I want to buy music legitly, in addition to paying for the track I will now also get spammed with ads?</p></div><p>But wait, there's more!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So if I want to buy music legitly , in addition to paying for the track I will now also get spammed with ads ? But wait , there 's more !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So if I want to buy music legitly, in addition to paying for the track I will now also get spammed with ads?But wait, there's more!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30897534</id>
	<title>Re:Extra content</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264421580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The thing is you can already get all that extra content and more by just knowing the ID3 info. Most modern music players (FooBar &amp; MediaMonkey, but even the common ones like WMP and iTunes) can download album art for you. There are third party addons and plugins to find lyrics for you automatically as well. Even showing tour dates isnt uncommon (iTunes + TuneUp will do this, as does songbird).</p><p>So basically theyre just trying to take what we all can do already on our own and charge us to have it done for us. No thanks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing is you can already get all that extra content and more by just knowing the ID3 info .
Most modern music players ( FooBar &amp; MediaMonkey , but even the common ones like WMP and iTunes ) can download album art for you .
There are third party addons and plugins to find lyrics for you automatically as well .
Even showing tour dates isnt uncommon ( iTunes + TuneUp will do this , as does songbird ) .So basically theyre just trying to take what we all can do already on our own and charge us to have it done for us .
No thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing is you can already get all that extra content and more by just knowing the ID3 info.
Most modern music players (FooBar &amp; MediaMonkey, but even the common ones like WMP and iTunes) can download album art for you.
There are third party addons and plugins to find lyrics for you automatically as well.
Even showing tour dates isnt uncommon (iTunes + TuneUp will do this, as does songbird).So basically theyre just trying to take what we all can do already on our own and charge us to have it done for us.
No thanks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30899904</id>
	<title>How can I get Matroska support?</title>
	<author>KWTm</author>
	<datestamp>1264437360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does mplayer support Matroska?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does mplayer support Matroska ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does mplayer support Matroska?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896592</id>
	<title>Oh! Goody!</title>
	<author>Grand Facade</author>
	<datestamp>1264417020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MP3's with built in spam!</p><p>Where do I sign up for that!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MP3 's with built in spam ! Where do I sign up for that !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MP3's with built in spam!Where do I sign up for that!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30902694</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Audience?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264513380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes especially since rar and zip files were invented ages ago and is used buy theese crowds already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes especially since rar and zip files were invented ages ago and is used buy theese crowds already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes especially since rar and zip files were invented ages ago and is used buy theese crowds already.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895794</id>
	<title>Use better sites!</title>
	<author>msimm</author>
	<datestamp>1264414140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a person who's probably paid for 3/4 of a rather large collection let me point out that for artwork and extra content scene releases usually trump paid releases. And it really makes sense because labels could give two shits about the content of their product while the people involved in the scenes are often actual music fans.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a person who 's probably paid for 3/4 of a rather large collection let me point out that for artwork and extra content scene releases usually trump paid releases .
And it really makes sense because labels could give two shits about the content of their product while the people involved in the scenes are often actual music fans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a person who's probably paid for 3/4 of a rather large collection let me point out that for artwork and extra content scene releases usually trump paid releases.
And it really makes sense because labels could give two shits about the content of their product while the people involved in the scenes are often actual music fans.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30898428</id>
	<title>Someone needs a visit from the cluebat</title>
	<author>Rysc</author>
	<datestamp>1264425840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's amazing that these guys still have <i>no clue</i> what they're doing. I kind of expected this behavior a decade ago when it was all new to these guys, but today? Honestly?</p><p>You mean that if I don't buy the DRM'd version I get <i>only static</i> audio files? Ones that <i>only</i> play audio? Ones that don't get filled with pushed junk at the money grubbing production company's whim?</p><p>Why on <i>earth</i> would I want that?</p><p>And then, to top off the insanity, these "fancy" MP3s will cost--get this!--<b>more</b> than the kind <i>without</i> all of the misfeatures. Don't these guys know that if you want your broken system to replace the working one you have to <i>incentively</i> people to switch to it?</p><p>When I get done laughing my ass off I'll take some time to weep for the lost profits of these morons. But, only a moment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's amazing that these guys still have no clue what they 're doing .
I kind of expected this behavior a decade ago when it was all new to these guys , but today ?
Honestly ? You mean that if I do n't buy the DRM 'd version I get only static audio files ?
Ones that only play audio ?
Ones that do n't get filled with pushed junk at the money grubbing production company 's whim ? Why on earth would I want that ? And then , to top off the insanity , these " fancy " MP3s will cost--get this ! --more than the kind without all of the misfeatures .
Do n't these guys know that if you want your broken system to replace the working one you have to incentively people to switch to it ? When I get done laughing my ass off I 'll take some time to weep for the lost profits of these morons .
But , only a moment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's amazing that these guys still have no clue what they're doing.
I kind of expected this behavior a decade ago when it was all new to these guys, but today?
Honestly?You mean that if I don't buy the DRM'd version I get only static audio files?
Ones that only play audio?
Ones that don't get filled with pushed junk at the money grubbing production company's whim?Why on earth would I want that?And then, to top off the insanity, these "fancy" MP3s will cost--get this!--more than the kind without all of the misfeatures.
Don't these guys know that if you want your broken system to replace the working one you have to incentively people to switch to it?When I get done laughing my ass off I'll take some time to weep for the lost profits of these morons.
But, only a moment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30908104</id>
	<title>Trademark Violation - disambiguating musicDNA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264535880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>musicDNA is a trademark of Pensive in Belgium, who already has technology for music and music information on the market.<br>
See <a href="http://www.musicdna.info/" title="musicdna.info" rel="nofollow">musicDNA</a> [musicdna.info] and the Pensive <a href="http://www.pensive.eu/" title="pensive.eu" rel="nofollow">company site</a> [pensive.eu] <br>.
Bach are trying to use an established concept, developed by Pensive and their UK partners, CTU, and leverage it with some bought in technology from the german Fraunhofer Institute.<br>
I guess it would be too much to ask for this company to act honestly on the market and come up with their own name.</htmltext>
<tokenext>musicDNA is a trademark of Pensive in Belgium , who already has technology for music and music information on the market .
See musicDNA [ musicdna.info ] and the Pensive company site [ pensive.eu ] .
Bach are trying to use an established concept , developed by Pensive and their UK partners , CTU , and leverage it with some bought in technology from the german Fraunhofer Institute .
I guess it would be too much to ask for this company to act honestly on the market and come up with their own name .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>musicDNA is a trademark of Pensive in Belgium, who already has technology for music and music information on the market.
See musicDNA [musicdna.info] and the Pensive company site [pensive.eu] .
Bach are trying to use an established concept, developed by Pensive and their UK partners, CTU, and leverage it with some bought in technology from the german Fraunhofer Institute.
I guess it would be too much to ask for this company to act honestly on the market and come up with their own name.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894824</id>
	<title>No thanks, Bach</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264410300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just when the patent on MP3 is set to expire they "update" it with DRM? WTF? This will ensure that the old, soon-to-be free file format will stay around.</p><p>I hope Ogg doesn't think since MP3 has this cruft they have to too. Of course, MP3 may be playing catch up with Microsoft; WMA files have had DRM for a long time. The DRM was in fact (and still is) a security risk.</p><p>I'll stick with OGG and even better, SHN and FLAC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just when the patent on MP3 is set to expire they " update " it with DRM ?
WTF ? This will ensure that the old , soon-to-be free file format will stay around.I hope Ogg does n't think since MP3 has this cruft they have to too .
Of course , MP3 may be playing catch up with Microsoft ; WMA files have had DRM for a long time .
The DRM was in fact ( and still is ) a security risk.I 'll stick with OGG and even better , SHN and FLAC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just when the patent on MP3 is set to expire they "update" it with DRM?
WTF? This will ensure that the old, soon-to-be free file format will stay around.I hope Ogg doesn't think since MP3 has this cruft they have to too.
Of course, MP3 may be playing catch up with Microsoft; WMA files have had DRM for a long time.
The DRM was in fact (and still is) a security risk.I'll stick with OGG and even better, SHN and FLAC.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895990</id>
	<title>Re:Combatting Piracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264415040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No but the last Rammstien concert I went to shot something all over the audience....</p><p>What were those big things they were wearing in front of them?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No but the last Rammstien concert I went to shot something all over the audience....What were those big things they were wearing in front of them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No but the last Rammstien concert I went to shot something all over the audience....What were those big things they were wearing in front of them?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896422</id>
	<title>Still not living in reality. Not even close.</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1264416360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is no such thing as an &ldquo;illegally downloaded file&rdquo;. I&rsquo;s a <strong>file</strong> goddammit! Not a physical good!<br>And stop &ldquo;admitting&rdquo; such bullshit that is never true. It&rsquo;s like &ldquo;admitting&rdquo; you murdered someone you never did, because you got tortured to do so.</p><p>The whole base of the design of that format is complete and utter bullshit. And therefore the format is too.<br>Besides: Can you see the music bosses rubbing their hands and making up a new subscription-based model to keep the data updated?<br>Also: What is there to update? Who would even want the files to change? They should stay the same. That they do not change, is kinda the point!</p><p>Conclusion: EPIC FAIL<br>Nobody will ever care about that format. We will share MP3. People who know/care, will share OGG/Vorbis, MPC or FLAC. And that&rsquo;s it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no such thing as an    illegally downloaded file    .
I    s a file goddammit !
Not a physical good ! And stop    admitting    such bullshit that is never true .
It    s like    admitting    you murdered someone you never did , because you got tortured to do so.The whole base of the design of that format is complete and utter bullshit .
And therefore the format is too.Besides : Can you see the music bosses rubbing their hands and making up a new subscription-based model to keep the data updated ? Also : What is there to update ?
Who would even want the files to change ?
They should stay the same .
That they do not change , is kinda the point ! Conclusion : EPIC FAILNobody will ever care about that format .
We will share MP3 .
People who know/care , will share OGG/Vorbis , MPC or FLAC .
And that    s it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no such thing as an “illegally downloaded file”.
I’s a file goddammit!
Not a physical good!And stop “admitting” such bullshit that is never true.
It’s like “admitting” you murdered someone you never did, because you got tortured to do so.The whole base of the design of that format is complete and utter bullshit.
And therefore the format is too.Besides: Can you see the music bosses rubbing their hands and making up a new subscription-based model to keep the data updated?Also: What is there to update?
Who would even want the files to change?
They should stay the same.
That they do not change, is kinda the point!Conclusion: EPIC FAILNobody will ever care about that format.
We will share MP3.
People who know/care, will share OGG/Vorbis, MPC or FLAC.
And that’s it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895654</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264413600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They can do everything the description says with id3v2 tags. Perhaps just an extension to the id3v2 tag standard that would allow embedded javascript or html would be enough for all interaction they would need.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They can do everything the description says with id3v2 tags .
Perhaps just an extension to the id3v2 tag standard that would allow embedded javascript or html would be enough for all interaction they would need .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They can do everything the description says with id3v2 tags.
Perhaps just an extension to the id3v2 tag standard that would allow embedded javascript or html would be enough for all interaction they would need.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30898518</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>ArundelCastle</author>
	<datestamp>1264426380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why would I want to store a video in my MP3 file instead of as its own video file?</p></div><p>Yo dawg, we heard you like music videos, so we put video in your music so you can watch while you listen!</p><p>Basically it sounds like a multimedia PDF.  How novel.<br>Maybe they can embed novels in audiobooks too.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would I want to store a video in my MP3 file instead of as its own video file ? Yo dawg , we heard you like music videos , so we put video in your music so you can watch while you listen ! Basically it sounds like a multimedia PDF .
How novel.Maybe they can embed novels in audiobooks too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would I want to store a video in my MP3 file instead of as its own video file?Yo dawg, we heard you like music videos, so we put video in your music so you can watch while you listen!Basically it sounds like a multimedia PDF.
How novel.Maybe they can embed novels in audiobooks too.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896052</id>
	<title>I want lossless compressed music.</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1264415220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think MP3 is ok for casual use, but if music companies really wanted something to perk up people's attention, have a site where you can download stuff losslessly compressed.  Why on earth would I spend thousands of dollars on digital communications in order to have a media format that chops all the data out of a song has an element of craziness to it.  If you want to sell music, sell the music.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think MP3 is ok for casual use , but if music companies really wanted something to perk up people 's attention , have a site where you can download stuff losslessly compressed .
Why on earth would I spend thousands of dollars on digital communications in order to have a media format that chops all the data out of a song has an element of craziness to it .
If you want to sell music , sell the music .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think MP3 is ok for casual use, but if music companies really wanted something to perk up people's attention, have a site where you can download stuff losslessly compressed.
Why on earth would I spend thousands of dollars on digital communications in order to have a media format that chops all the data out of a song has an element of craziness to it.
If you want to sell music, sell the music.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895022</id>
	<title>Combatting Piracy</title>
	<author>whisper\_jeff</author>
	<datestamp>1264410960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The best way to combat piracy is to stop spending money on tighter controls that are cracked a week after being released into the wild; stop spending money on formats that users don't want; just generally stop spending money on things that don't work and don't have value and instead spend money on good song writers and good performers and make good music. People are willing to pay for quality.<br> <br>
And, more specifically, the best way to combat piracy is to realize you're not going to succeed and instead find a new business model that works. You'll notice that the bands who are highly profitable have figured something very important out - CD sales are not the road to riches - concert tours are where you make truck loads of money. The \_experience\_ of music is something people are willing to spend a LOT of money on. Listening to music just entices them to spend $200 a ticket to see the live performance on stage. Once more music people figure this out - once more music people figure out that the old way of becoming rich in the industry is dead - the better off everyone will be.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The best way to combat piracy is to stop spending money on tighter controls that are cracked a week after being released into the wild ; stop spending money on formats that users do n't want ; just generally stop spending money on things that do n't work and do n't have value and instead spend money on good song writers and good performers and make good music .
People are willing to pay for quality .
And , more specifically , the best way to combat piracy is to realize you 're not going to succeed and instead find a new business model that works .
You 'll notice that the bands who are highly profitable have figured something very important out - CD sales are not the road to riches - concert tours are where you make truck loads of money .
The \ _experience \ _ of music is something people are willing to spend a LOT of money on .
Listening to music just entices them to spend $ 200 a ticket to see the live performance on stage .
Once more music people figure this out - once more music people figure out that the old way of becoming rich in the industry is dead - the better off everyone will be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best way to combat piracy is to stop spending money on tighter controls that are cracked a week after being released into the wild; stop spending money on formats that users don't want; just generally stop spending money on things that don't work and don't have value and instead spend money on good song writers and good performers and make good music.
People are willing to pay for quality.
And, more specifically, the best way to combat piracy is to realize you're not going to succeed and instead find a new business model that works.
You'll notice that the bands who are highly profitable have figured something very important out - CD sales are not the road to riches - concert tours are where you make truck loads of money.
The \_experience\_ of music is something people are willing to spend a LOT of money on.
Listening to music just entices them to spend $200 a ticket to see the live performance on stage.
Once more music people figure this out - once more music people figure out that the old way of becoming rich in the industry is dead - the better off everyone will be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895134</id>
	<title>Um, bonus?</title>
	<author>roc97007</author>
	<datestamp>1264411440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&gt; "Using the new technology, music labels and bands will be able to send updates to the music files - with tour dates, interviews or updates to social networking pages - while illegally-downloaded files remain static.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..."
</p><p>
So, if I'm reading this correctly, if I buy a legitimate copy of the file I get spammed mercilessly, but if I download the file illegally I don't?
</p><p>
Cool!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; " Using the new technology , music labels and bands will be able to send updates to the music files - with tour dates , interviews or updates to social networking pages - while illegally-downloaded files remain static .
... " So , if I 'm reading this correctly , if I buy a legitimate copy of the file I get spammed mercilessly , but if I download the file illegally I do n't ?
Cool !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
&gt; "Using the new technology, music labels and bands will be able to send updates to the music files - with tour dates, interviews or updates to social networking pages - while illegally-downloaded files remain static.
..."

So, if I'm reading this correctly, if I buy a legitimate copy of the file I get spammed mercilessly, but if I download the file illegally I don't?
Cool!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30900812</id>
	<title>bye bye bandwidth</title>
	<author>garatheus</author>
	<datestamp>1264446600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ung, I for one thing this is a complete waste of time. Coming from a low-bandwidth high-cost for services country (South Africa), I can just see the fun that will ensue when my MP3 collection want' to update itself. Its not bad enough the amount of bandwidth I have to use on running application updates, but now having to update my MP3 collection too...

No thanks. Guess it's time to convert everything to ogg!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ung , I for one thing this is a complete waste of time .
Coming from a low-bandwidth high-cost for services country ( South Africa ) , I can just see the fun that will ensue when my MP3 collection want ' to update itself .
Its not bad enough the amount of bandwidth I have to use on running application updates , but now having to update my MP3 collection too.. . No thanks .
Guess it 's time to convert everything to ogg !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ung, I for one thing this is a complete waste of time.
Coming from a low-bandwidth high-cost for services country (South Africa), I can just see the fun that will ensue when my MP3 collection want' to update itself.
Its not bad enough the amount of bandwidth I have to use on running application updates, but now having to update my MP3 collection too...

No thanks.
Guess it's time to convert everything to ogg!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894834</id>
	<title>Compression?</title>
	<author>gearloos</author>
	<datestamp>1264410360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So much for the nice, small portability of MP3. Even a 128k (which already sound horrible) will be huge now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So much for the nice , small portability of MP3 .
Even a 128k ( which already sound horrible ) will be huge now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So much for the nice, small portability of MP3.
Even a 128k (which already sound horrible) will be huge now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894948</id>
	<title>And exactly how will this succeed?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264410660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see any reason for this to become mainstream.</p><p>Lyrics: I'm not sure if you can add those to an mp3 file but you can add them in iTunes.<br>Videos: Why not just use a video file?<br>Album artwork: iTunes has it.</p><p>What's so great about this?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see any reason for this to become mainstream.Lyrics : I 'm not sure if you can add those to an mp3 file but you can add them in iTunes.Videos : Why not just use a video file ? Album artwork : iTunes has it.What 's so great about this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see any reason for this to become mainstream.Lyrics: I'm not sure if you can add those to an mp3 file but you can add them in iTunes.Videos: Why not just use a video file?Album artwork: iTunes has it.What's so great about this?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30897120</id>
	<title>Frack that</title>
	<author>AmonTheMetalhead</author>
	<datestamp>1264419300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't want this, i don't want this at all, i refuse to pay for a mere file download, no matter what fancy bells and wistles they add to the file. The only music i pay for is the one that comes on shiney disks (or other physical medium).<br>
<br>
I collect (good) music, and that includes the cd's and their (physical) cover art, plus, how the hell am i going to get an MP3 signed by this or that artist at a concert?<br>
<br>
They can add all the content in the world, i ain't buying it, and if they stop making shiney disks, well i guess i'll stop buying music alltogether</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't want this , i do n't want this at all , i refuse to pay for a mere file download , no matter what fancy bells and wistles they add to the file .
The only music i pay for is the one that comes on shiney disks ( or other physical medium ) .
I collect ( good ) music , and that includes the cd 's and their ( physical ) cover art , plus , how the hell am i going to get an MP3 signed by this or that artist at a concert ?
They can add all the content in the world , i ai n't buying it , and if they stop making shiney disks , well i guess i 'll stop buying music alltogether</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't want this, i don't want this at all, i refuse to pay for a mere file download, no matter what fancy bells and wistles they add to the file.
The only music i pay for is the one that comes on shiney disks (or other physical medium).
I collect (good) music, and that includes the cd's and their (physical) cover art, plus, how the hell am i going to get an MP3 signed by this or that artist at a concert?
They can add all the content in the world, i ain't buying it, and if they stop making shiney disks, well i guess i'll stop buying music alltogether</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896818</id>
	<title>The Dying Illusion</title>
	<author>Velska1</author>
	<datestamp>1264417860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This illustrates how they try to hook you to their format, their view of what you buy.</p><p>This is like leasing a car. They'll service it and add new features when the feel like it; as well as removing features when they feel like it. Like, they may think you don't really need a steering wheel &mdash; you'll enjoy your videos so much it's better you not be driving; and since you're not really driving, let's take the engine out, too.</p><p>It's "your" car, but you have nothing to say. Remember those Kindle eBooks from Amazon, that were deleted from the Kindles &mdash; Amazon used their own back door to remove the eBooks they found out they didn't have the legal right to sell.</p><p>All this gives us a new perspective of "owning" things. You know, I remember, when you bought your vinyl LP, and you could do any stupid thing you wanted with it, in addition to just playing it with any player that played anything else. Then came the C cassettes, and recorders, and Record Companies started complaining; it's only gotten worse in 45 years (or was it 44).</p><p>Ideas <em> <strong>yearn</strong> to be free</em>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This illustrates how they try to hook you to their format , their view of what you buy.This is like leasing a car .
They 'll service it and add new features when the feel like it ; as well as removing features when they feel like it .
Like , they may think you do n't really need a steering wheel    you 'll enjoy your videos so much it 's better you not be driving ; and since you 're not really driving , let 's take the engine out , too.It 's " your " car , but you have nothing to say .
Remember those Kindle eBooks from Amazon , that were deleted from the Kindles    Amazon used their own back door to remove the eBooks they found out they did n't have the legal right to sell.All this gives us a new perspective of " owning " things .
You know , I remember , when you bought your vinyl LP , and you could do any stupid thing you wanted with it , in addition to just playing it with any player that played anything else .
Then came the C cassettes , and recorders , and Record Companies started complaining ; it 's only gotten worse in 45 years ( or was it 44 ) .Ideas yearn to be free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This illustrates how they try to hook you to their format, their view of what you buy.This is like leasing a car.
They'll service it and add new features when the feel like it; as well as removing features when they feel like it.
Like, they may think you don't really need a steering wheel — you'll enjoy your videos so much it's better you not be driving; and since you're not really driving, let's take the engine out, too.It's "your" car, but you have nothing to say.
Remember those Kindle eBooks from Amazon, that were deleted from the Kindles — Amazon used their own back door to remove the eBooks they found out they didn't have the legal right to sell.All this gives us a new perspective of "owning" things.
You know, I remember, when you bought your vinyl LP, and you could do any stupid thing you wanted with it, in addition to just playing it with any player that played anything else.
Then came the C cassettes, and recorders, and Record Companies started complaining; it's only gotten worse in 45 years (or was it 44).Ideas  yearn to be free.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896518</id>
	<title>Re:Extra content</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1264416780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>IF you can truly restrict access.</p></div><p>Which is by definition physically impossible.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Otherwise you're just giving more reason to pirate the format.</p></div><p>Stop drinking their kool-aid. <a href="http://7.media.tumblr.com/4nZBASoSAd79pgh9yEG2ZCPi\_500.png" title="tumblr.com">This has nothing to do with stealing shit on the high seas</a> [tumblr.com].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>IF you can truly restrict access.Which is by definition physically impossible.Otherwise you 're just giving more reason to pirate the format.Stop drinking their kool-aid .
This has nothing to do with stealing shit on the high seas [ tumblr.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IF you can truly restrict access.Which is by definition physically impossible.Otherwise you're just giving more reason to pirate the format.Stop drinking their kool-aid.
This has nothing to do with stealing shit on the high seas [tumblr.com].
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895288</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264412220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem for me is, how do they ensure that "illegally-downloaded files remain static"? There must be some type of DRM involved, and therefore I, and many others, won't buy it. I bought my first mp3s once Amazon started selling them unencrypted; I'd buy ones with optional lyrics etc, but only if I can be sure that I can always put it on whatever device I want.</p><p>The music companies still shoot themselves in the foot at every opportunity. For example this summer I was in France &amp; heard a couple of songs I liked on the radio. I got home to the US, went to Amazon.com, found that they didn't have the album I wanted. So I went to Amazon.fr, installed the French mp3 downloader, and when I tried to check out I wasn't able to buy the songs because I was outside Europe! (And yes, I know that's the experience of most of the world with iTunes.) It's pretty ridiculous that a decade after Napster they're still putting up stupid barriers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem for me is , how do they ensure that " illegally-downloaded files remain static " ?
There must be some type of DRM involved , and therefore I , and many others , wo n't buy it .
I bought my first mp3s once Amazon started selling them unencrypted ; I 'd buy ones with optional lyrics etc , but only if I can be sure that I can always put it on whatever device I want.The music companies still shoot themselves in the foot at every opportunity .
For example this summer I was in France &amp; heard a couple of songs I liked on the radio .
I got home to the US , went to Amazon.com , found that they did n't have the album I wanted .
So I went to Amazon.fr , installed the French mp3 downloader , and when I tried to check out I was n't able to buy the songs because I was outside Europe !
( And yes , I know that 's the experience of most of the world with iTunes .
) It 's pretty ridiculous that a decade after Napster they 're still putting up stupid barriers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem for me is, how do they ensure that "illegally-downloaded files remain static"?
There must be some type of DRM involved, and therefore I, and many others, won't buy it.
I bought my first mp3s once Amazon started selling them unencrypted; I'd buy ones with optional lyrics etc, but only if I can be sure that I can always put it on whatever device I want.The music companies still shoot themselves in the foot at every opportunity.
For example this summer I was in France &amp; heard a couple of songs I liked on the radio.
I got home to the US, went to Amazon.com, found that they didn't have the album I wanted.
So I went to Amazon.fr, installed the French mp3 downloader, and when I tried to check out I wasn't able to buy the songs because I was outside Europe!
(And yes, I know that's the experience of most of the world with iTunes.
) It's pretty ridiculous that a decade after Napster they're still putting up stupid barriers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895956</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Audience?</title>
	<author>betterunixthanunix</author>
	<datestamp>1264414860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are mistaken, actually.  I know of plenty of people who love concerts and follow the lives of celebrities...and then download music from file sharing networks.  The real problem here is that there are plenty of other sources for the information they are planning to embed in these files, and I doubt anyone is going to pay for it when they can get it at no cost just by watching a music marketing channel (ahem MTV).</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are mistaken , actually .
I know of plenty of people who love concerts and follow the lives of celebrities...and then download music from file sharing networks .
The real problem here is that there are plenty of other sources for the information they are planning to embed in these files , and I doubt anyone is going to pay for it when they can get it at no cost just by watching a music marketing channel ( ahem MTV ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are mistaken, actually.
I know of plenty of people who love concerts and follow the lives of celebrities...and then download music from file sharing networks.
The real problem here is that there are plenty of other sources for the information they are planning to embed in these files, and I doubt anyone is going to pay for it when they can get it at no cost just by watching a music marketing channel (ahem MTV).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896776</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Audience?</title>
	<author>AntiNazi</author>
	<datestamp>1264417740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't think this is the case at all. I have plenty of shirts and ticket stubs (not literally...) from bands I don't own music from. In fact I often buy extra stuff (buttons/patches/another shirt) that I don't really need/want when I'm at shows just because I didn't buy the cd. Granted I care little about interviews and don't have any interest in this feature (flac+cue please) so I agree that it's a waste of time/money.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think this is the case at all .
I have plenty of shirts and ticket stubs ( not literally... ) from bands I do n't own music from .
In fact I often buy extra stuff ( buttons/patches/another shirt ) that I do n't really need/want when I 'm at shows just because I did n't buy the cd .
Granted I care little about interviews and do n't have any interest in this feature ( flac + cue please ) so I agree that it 's a waste of time/money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think this is the case at all.
I have plenty of shirts and ticket stubs (not literally...) from bands I don't own music from.
In fact I often buy extra stuff (buttons/patches/another shirt) that I don't really need/want when I'm at shows just because I didn't buy the cd.
Granted I care little about interviews and don't have any interest in this feature (flac+cue please) so I agree that it's a waste of time/money.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896570</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Audience?</title>
	<author>BattleApple</author>
	<datestamp>1264416960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Something odd someone pointed out in the comments of that article - Mark Mulligan says he never spoke with torrentfreak<br>
<a href="http://twitter.com/Mark\_Mulligan/status/8074993556" title="twitter.com" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/Mark\_Mulligan/status/8074993556</a> [twitter.com] <br> <br>
RT @flypapertv  Pirates are most valuable customers. <a href="http://vf.cx/jlB" title="vf.cx" rel="nofollow">http://vf.cx/jlB</a> [vf.cx]  $$ Only problem with my quotes: I didn't even speak to the journalist!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Something odd someone pointed out in the comments of that article - Mark Mulligan says he never spoke with torrentfreak http : //twitter.com/Mark \ _Mulligan/status/8074993556 [ twitter.com ] RT @ flypapertv Pirates are most valuable customers .
http : //vf.cx/jlB [ vf.cx ] $ $ Only problem with my quotes : I did n't even speak to the journalist !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something odd someone pointed out in the comments of that article - Mark Mulligan says he never spoke with torrentfreak
http://twitter.com/Mark\_Mulligan/status/8074993556 [twitter.com]  
RT @flypapertv  Pirates are most valuable customers.
http://vf.cx/jlB [vf.cx]  $$ Only problem with my quotes: I didn't even speak to the journalist!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895018</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Audience?</title>
	<author>odin84gk</author>
	<datestamp>1264410900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not really. I don't pirate, but then again I don't go to concerts. (I really don't care that much about music).</p><p>However, my friend who downloads a bunch of music goes to concerts and buys CD's. (He loves music, but can't afford to buy everything that he wants).</p><p>So, in my mind, it is an appropriate audience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really .
I do n't pirate , but then again I do n't go to concerts .
( I really do n't care that much about music ) .However , my friend who downloads a bunch of music goes to concerts and buys CD 's .
( He loves music , but ca n't afford to buy everything that he wants ) .So , in my mind , it is an appropriate audience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really.
I don't pirate, but then again I don't go to concerts.
(I really don't care that much about music).However, my friend who downloads a bunch of music goes to concerts and buys CD's.
(He loves music, but can't afford to buy everything that he wants).So, in my mind, it is an appropriate audience.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894826</id>
	<title>Wrong Audience?</title>
	<author>Nemyst</author>
	<datestamp>1264410300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe I'm really bad at marketing, but this seems like it's targeting the wrong audience. Those who download illegal music probably do not care about going to concerts or reading up on interviews - they only want the music. This will at best be another marketing tool for the most hardcore audience, at worst a total waste of time and money.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe I 'm really bad at marketing , but this seems like it 's targeting the wrong audience .
Those who download illegal music probably do not care about going to concerts or reading up on interviews - they only want the music .
This will at best be another marketing tool for the most hardcore audience , at worst a total waste of time and money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe I'm really bad at marketing, but this seems like it's targeting the wrong audience.
Those who download illegal music probably do not care about going to concerts or reading up on interviews - they only want the music.
This will at best be another marketing tool for the most hardcore audience, at worst a total waste of time and money.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894858</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264410420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In other words, if I download a file illegally, I'm guaranteed to be left alone and my files won't be changed around without my consent or prior knowledge?</p><p>Hm.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In other words , if I download a file illegally , I 'm guaranteed to be left alone and my files wo n't be changed around without my consent or prior knowledge ? Hm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other words, if I download a file illegally, I'm guaranteed to be left alone and my files won't be changed around without my consent or prior knowledge?Hm.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895324</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Audience?</title>
	<author>Aeros</author>
	<datestamp>1264412400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>it sounds like it.  Will it still play in regular mp3 players or will new hardware be required? This will increase the file size with no doubt. If they offered something like sheet music of the song I could see that being beneficial to some people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>it sounds like it .
Will it still play in regular mp3 players or will new hardware be required ?
This will increase the file size with no doubt .
If they offered something like sheet music of the song I could see that being beneficial to some people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it sounds like it.
Will it still play in regular mp3 players or will new hardware be required?
This will increase the file size with no doubt.
If they offered something like sheet music of the song I could see that being beneficial to some people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895360</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264412520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is ogg vorbis for that
<ul>
<li>Vorbis files can compress to a smaller file size and still sound fine; Vorbis' better compression will cut down on bandwidth costs  and keep you from being a victim of your own popularity.</li><li>Vorbis' standardized, easily-edited comment header provides a space for you to scribble all sorts of notes about yourself to distribute with the music; this helps fans find you, your site, and where to buy your stuff.</li><li>If you decide to sell your music in MP3 format, you are responsible for paying Fraunhofer a percentage of each sale because you are using their patents. Vorbis is patent and license-free, so you will never need to pay anyone in order to sell, give away, or stream your own music.</li></ul><p>
--------- <a href="http://www.vorbis.com/faq/" title="vorbis.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.vorbis.com/faq/</a> [vorbis.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is ogg vorbis for that Vorbis files can compress to a smaller file size and still sound fine ; Vorbis ' better compression will cut down on bandwidth costs and keep you from being a victim of your own popularity.Vorbis ' standardized , easily-edited comment header provides a space for you to scribble all sorts of notes about yourself to distribute with the music ; this helps fans find you , your site , and where to buy your stuff.If you decide to sell your music in MP3 format , you are responsible for paying Fraunhofer a percentage of each sale because you are using their patents .
Vorbis is patent and license-free , so you will never need to pay anyone in order to sell , give away , or stream your own music .
--------- http : //www.vorbis.com/faq/ [ vorbis.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is ogg vorbis for that

Vorbis files can compress to a smaller file size and still sound fine; Vorbis' better compression will cut down on bandwidth costs  and keep you from being a victim of your own popularity.Vorbis' standardized, easily-edited comment header provides a space for you to scribble all sorts of notes about yourself to distribute with the music; this helps fans find you, your site, and where to buy your stuff.If you decide to sell your music in MP3 format, you are responsible for paying Fraunhofer a percentage of each sale because you are using their patents.
Vorbis is patent and license-free, so you will never need to pay anyone in order to sell, give away, or stream your own music.
--------- http://www.vorbis.com/faq/ [vorbis.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894888</id>
	<title>Oh.. okay, no problem.</title>
	<author>Adult film producer</author>
	<datestamp>1264410480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll just keep ripping cds to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.flac and distributing them so others can convert them to whatever audio format they prefer.   Seems like a reasonable compromise.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll just keep ripping cds to .flac and distributing them so others can convert them to whatever audio format they prefer .
Seems like a reasonable compromise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll just keep ripping cds to .flac and distributing them so others can convert them to whatever audio format they prefer.
Seems like a reasonable compromise.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894816</id>
	<title>Useless</title>
	<author>No-Cool-Nickname</author>
	<datestamp>1264410240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is right up there with the bonus content downloads with a Blu-Ray.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is right up there with the bonus content downloads with a Blu-Ray .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is right up there with the bonus content downloads with a Blu-Ray.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30897362</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>spikesahead</author>
	<datestamp>1264420860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Could be the fact that hard drive based players are so easy to kill, leading to a lot of warranty returns.</p><p>I had a hard drive based player, the iRiver H10, and I loved it up until the day it fell out of my opening car door and became a brick. I can drop kick my current player across the room without it missing a beat because it's flash based!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could be the fact that hard drive based players are so easy to kill , leading to a lot of warranty returns.I had a hard drive based player , the iRiver H10 , and I loved it up until the day it fell out of my opening car door and became a brick .
I can drop kick my current player across the room without it missing a beat because it 's flash based !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could be the fact that hard drive based players are so easy to kill, leading to a lot of warranty returns.I had a hard drive based player, the iRiver H10, and I loved it up until the day it fell out of my opening car door and became a brick.
I can drop kick my current player across the room without it missing a beat because it's flash based!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896216</id>
	<title>MP3? People still use that?</title>
	<author>eples</author>
	<datestamp>1264415700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Come on now, MP3? I've been listening to MPEG-4 encoded audio for what, 6 years now? Even Microsoft (Zune) plays MPEG-4 audio.<br> <br>In short, who gives a shit. Next.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Come on now , MP3 ?
I 've been listening to MPEG-4 encoded audio for what , 6 years now ?
Even Microsoft ( Zune ) plays MPEG-4 audio .
In short , who gives a shit .
Next .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come on now, MP3?
I've been listening to MPEG-4 encoded audio for what, 6 years now?
Even Microsoft (Zune) plays MPEG-4 audio.
In short, who gives a shit.
Next.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30898340</id>
	<title>Re:Extra content</title>
	<author>MrNemesis</author>
	<datestamp>1264425300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The corollary is that I buy almost all my music online, mostly through bleep.com. But half the time I find myself pulling down the same<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent a week later as it'll unfailingly come with more artwork, higher resolution scans and a plethora of other gumpf that almost never makes it into most MP3 stores. Some are better than others, but it's only the fans that seem to be able to consistently put together really comprehensive album "packs".</p><p>And when it comes to rarities, B-sides, live albums and the rest... well, it's not really a question that needs answering (although bleep are pretty good in that regard). I'd love there to be some magical way for $label to option some scene release but there's always some indeterminable rights issue in the way so nothing cool ever happens. Don't get me wrong, I support my chosen artists with money whenever I can, but I'm sure alot of those same artists would acknowledge themselves that the quality and thoroughness of some scene releases are frankly awesome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The corollary is that I buy almost all my music online , mostly through bleep.com .
But half the time I find myself pulling down the same .torrent a week later as it 'll unfailingly come with more artwork , higher resolution scans and a plethora of other gumpf that almost never makes it into most MP3 stores .
Some are better than others , but it 's only the fans that seem to be able to consistently put together really comprehensive album " packs " .And when it comes to rarities , B-sides , live albums and the rest... well , it 's not really a question that needs answering ( although bleep are pretty good in that regard ) .
I 'd love there to be some magical way for $ label to option some scene release but there 's always some indeterminable rights issue in the way so nothing cool ever happens .
Do n't get me wrong , I support my chosen artists with money whenever I can , but I 'm sure alot of those same artists would acknowledge themselves that the quality and thoroughness of some scene releases are frankly awesome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The corollary is that I buy almost all my music online, mostly through bleep.com.
But half the time I find myself pulling down the same .torrent a week later as it'll unfailingly come with more artwork, higher resolution scans and a plethora of other gumpf that almost never makes it into most MP3 stores.
Some are better than others, but it's only the fans that seem to be able to consistently put together really comprehensive album "packs".And when it comes to rarities, B-sides, live albums and the rest... well, it's not really a question that needs answering (although bleep are pretty good in that regard).
I'd love there to be some magical way for $label to option some scene release but there's always some indeterminable rights issue in the way so nothing cool ever happens.
Don't get me wrong, I support my chosen artists with money whenever I can, but I'm sure alot of those same artists would acknowledge themselves that the quality and thoroughness of some scene releases are frankly awesome.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895156</id>
	<title>They forgot the most important embedded content</title>
	<author>wizkid</author>
	<datestamp>1264411560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They didn't mention the most used implanted data.  Rootkits and virus's......  This won't keep the Russians happy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They did n't mention the most used implanted data .
Rootkits and virus 's...... This wo n't keep the Russians happy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They didn't mention the most used implanted data.
Rootkits and virus's......  This won't keep the Russians happy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896314</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>mhajicek</author>
	<datestamp>1264416060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>MusicDNA was developed by Norwegian firm Bach Technology, the company that also created the MP3 file, in an attempt to combat illegal file-sharing</p></div><p>Sounds like that pacifist Gatling and the gun he invented hoping to make war to terrible to wage.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>MusicDNA was developed by Norwegian firm Bach Technology , the company that also created the MP3 file , in an attempt to combat illegal file-sharingSounds like that pacifist Gatling and the gun he invented hoping to make war to terrible to wage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MusicDNA was developed by Norwegian firm Bach Technology, the company that also created the MP3 file, in an attempt to combat illegal file-sharingSounds like that pacifist Gatling and the gun he invented hoping to make war to terrible to wage.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895964</id>
	<title>Re:Um, bonus?</title>
	<author>canajin56</author>
	<datestamp>1264414860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Spammed?  All depends on specifics they don't give.  My (generous) interpretation is that it'll basically just be an RSS feed.  You open the file, you get a pane in Windows Media Player with all kinds of announcements, if you want to see the video (if there is one) click it and it'll stream to your player.   (There's no way they are stupid enough to try to embed multiple 10-100 mb video files into an MP3 file!)  Yeah, if it can trigger popups, instant fail.  If it's just a little RSS pane, that's not spamming, and lots of people would find it legitimately useful.  I'd also assume (though you know what they say about assuming) that   you can turn it off, or at least hide the "updates" pane.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Spammed ?
All depends on specifics they do n't give .
My ( generous ) interpretation is that it 'll basically just be an RSS feed .
You open the file , you get a pane in Windows Media Player with all kinds of announcements , if you want to see the video ( if there is one ) click it and it 'll stream to your player .
( There 's no way they are stupid enough to try to embed multiple 10-100 mb video files into an MP3 file !
) Yeah , if it can trigger popups , instant fail .
If it 's just a little RSS pane , that 's not spamming , and lots of people would find it legitimately useful .
I 'd also assume ( though you know what they say about assuming ) that you can turn it off , or at least hide the " updates " pane .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Spammed?
All depends on specifics they don't give.
My (generous) interpretation is that it'll basically just be an RSS feed.
You open the file, you get a pane in Windows Media Player with all kinds of announcements, if you want to see the video (if there is one) click it and it'll stream to your player.
(There's no way they are stupid enough to try to embed multiple 10-100 mb video files into an MP3 file!
)  Yeah, if it can trigger popups, instant fail.
If it's just a little RSS pane, that's not spamming, and lots of people would find it legitimately useful.
I'd also assume (though you know what they say about assuming) that   you can turn it off, or at least hide the "updates" pane.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895350</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264412460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Dubbed MusicDNA, the files contain embedded additional content including lyrics, videos, news updates and album artwork.</p></div><p>Ok, so lyrics and album art totally makes sense, but... can't you already do that with ID3 tags?  But videos?  Why would I want to store a video in my MP3 file instead of as its own video file?  And the news updates, as you said, sound like spam.
</p><p>To include some context to your quote:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>MusicDNA was developed by Norwegian firm Bach Technology, the company that also created the MP3 file, in an attempt to combat illegal file-sharing. Using the new technology, music labels and bands will be able to send updates to the music files &ndash; with tour dates, interviews or updates to social networking pages &ndash; while illegally-downloaded files remain static.</p></div><p>Ok, so to me this makes it sound like, if I want to avoid getting spammed, I should listen to "illegally-downloaded files".  This also implies that these files have some sort of phone-home DRM when the music is played, which is a potential privacy violation.
</p><p>You know, when I'm listening to music, I often do think, "The only way this could be better is if it had DRM and reported my listening habits back to record labels, and if I was getting spammed right now.  If only someone would develop the technology!"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : Dubbed MusicDNA , the files contain embedded additional content including lyrics , videos , news updates and album artwork.Ok , so lyrics and album art totally makes sense , but... ca n't you already do that with ID3 tags ?
But videos ?
Why would I want to store a video in my MP3 file instead of as its own video file ?
And the news updates , as you said , sound like spam .
To include some context to your quote : MusicDNA was developed by Norwegian firm Bach Technology , the company that also created the MP3 file , in an attempt to combat illegal file-sharing .
Using the new technology , music labels and bands will be able to send updates to the music files    with tour dates , interviews or updates to social networking pages    while illegally-downloaded files remain static.Ok , so to me this makes it sound like , if I want to avoid getting spammed , I should listen to " illegally-downloaded files " .
This also implies that these files have some sort of phone-home DRM when the music is played , which is a potential privacy violation .
You know , when I 'm listening to music , I often do think , " The only way this could be better is if it had DRM and reported my listening habits back to record labels , and if I was getting spammed right now .
If only someone would develop the technology !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:Dubbed MusicDNA, the files contain embedded additional content including lyrics, videos, news updates and album artwork.Ok, so lyrics and album art totally makes sense, but... can't you already do that with ID3 tags?
But videos?
Why would I want to store a video in my MP3 file instead of as its own video file?
And the news updates, as you said, sound like spam.
To include some context to your quote:MusicDNA was developed by Norwegian firm Bach Technology, the company that also created the MP3 file, in an attempt to combat illegal file-sharing.
Using the new technology, music labels and bands will be able to send updates to the music files – with tour dates, interviews or updates to social networking pages – while illegally-downloaded files remain static.Ok, so to me this makes it sound like, if I want to avoid getting spammed, I should listen to "illegally-downloaded files".
This also implies that these files have some sort of phone-home DRM when the music is played, which is a potential privacy violation.
You know, when I'm listening to music, I often do think, "The only way this could be better is if it had DRM and reported my listening habits back to record labels, and if I was getting spammed right now.
If only someone would develop the technology!
"
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896904</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.. okay, no problem.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264418220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You use flac? The quality is unbearable. Flac may be a lossless codec, but it is still limited by the recording equipment. A true music lover locks his favorite bands in the basement to get the whole experience of the music.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You use flac ?
The quality is unbearable .
Flac may be a lossless codec , but it is still limited by the recording equipment .
A true music lover locks his favorite bands in the basement to get the whole experience of the music .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You use flac?
The quality is unbearable.
Flac may be a lossless codec, but it is still limited by the recording equipment.
A true music lover locks his favorite bands in the basement to get the whole experience of the music.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896662</id>
	<title>Re:Combatting Piracy</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1264417320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More like &lt;0.99 per <strong>album</strong>. Cause if the artist gets 2/3 of that, <em>that would still be more than he gets today, for a album CD!!</em></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More like album .
Cause if the artist gets 2/3 of that , that would still be more than he gets today , for a album CD !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More like album.
Cause if the artist gets 2/3 of that, that would still be more than he gets today, for a album CD!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896018</id>
	<title>yo dawg</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264415100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I herd you like videos, so we put a video inside your mp3, so you can watch videos while you listen to mp3s</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I herd you like videos , so we put a video inside your mp3 , so you can watch videos while you listen to mp3s</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I herd you like videos, so we put a video inside your mp3, so you can watch videos while you listen to mp3s</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895940</id>
	<title>Who makes the updates?</title>
	<author>businessnerd</author>
	<datestamp>1264414800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When I see that this new format will be updating itself with new content, I'm wondering where exactly is this file looking for this new content?  Is this a closed protocol run by either the format's creators or some other corporation bestowed witht he responsibility?  Or is it an open protocol where there may exist multiple sources for this information that the application I use to play/manage these files can specify where to find the data, much like with CDDB?  If it's closed, then my concerns are the same as with DRMed music files.  If the company stops providing the service, do I know lose the functionality?  Do I stop getting updates?  If I paid a premium for a file format that promised regularly updated premium content, then I'd be pretty mad if the premium content stopped coming.  But if it is open, then anyone can potentially host information.  Maybe I'm interested in a specific niche that one source may cater to.  <br> <br>

Honestly, though, I still buy CD's (bought one a few days ago in fact).  Why?  Because CDs do not have DRM and the ambiguity over what is considered Fair Use is has not yet been settled.  If I buy a CD, I can rip it to my hard drive in the format of my choosing.  I can share it across my network.  I can put it on a portable device.  There is no limit to the number of copies I can make.  I have the collection backed up, but at the end of the day, I still have that physical copy and is indisputably legal.  Yes I get artwork and lyrics, which is good for the first day I crack open the jewel case and start listening, but then it goes in the CD drawer for the remainder of its life.  Now I know that these days legally downloadable music can come without the DRM, like from Amazon.  But now I have to go to extra pains to protect my purchase from loss in the ways of ensuring that all is backed up properly.  Yes I can burn CDs with the same amount of effort it takes to rip them, but those are now on generic blank discs with no "authenticity" to them.  <br> <br>

I'm not that old, so I can't necessarily say if this is a case of "Get off my lawn!"  Maybe its because I had been an avid CD buyer up until college (that's when I got my first high speed internet and I began downloading like mad) and I have recently began buying CDs again.  I have amassed this great collection, physical artifacts of my money spent, that would like to continue to hold on to and grow.  Maybe it's because I'm such a fan of a good Album.  When I listen to my collection on a computer or mp3 player, its so easy just to keep it all on shuffle and hit play (and I do this a lot), but when you pop in a CD (or even cassette or vinyl) you are making a commitment to the album.  I listen to the whole thing all the way through.  The album sets and sustains a mood.  If the mood changes, you are carefully transitioned.  The track ordering on an album is deliberate.  Some albums you would never realize have an overall "concept" if you just listened to the popular singles.  A good example is the latest album by Muse.  I'd heard some singles, liked what I heard.  When you listen to the whole thing all together, you realize that each track continues a story.  The singles on the radio are like movie trailers.  You get some of the great highlights, but if you never see the movie, you miss out on a lot of great stuff.  Of course, the trailer might have the only parts worth watching, but we call that a bad movie, and as well, we should call them bad albums.  <br> <br>

Ok wow, this really turned into a ramble...I apolize folks.  Just felt like getting some of my latest thoughts down.  Thansk to those who hung in there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I see that this new format will be updating itself with new content , I 'm wondering where exactly is this file looking for this new content ?
Is this a closed protocol run by either the format 's creators or some other corporation bestowed witht he responsibility ?
Or is it an open protocol where there may exist multiple sources for this information that the application I use to play/manage these files can specify where to find the data , much like with CDDB ?
If it 's closed , then my concerns are the same as with DRMed music files .
If the company stops providing the service , do I know lose the functionality ?
Do I stop getting updates ?
If I paid a premium for a file format that promised regularly updated premium content , then I 'd be pretty mad if the premium content stopped coming .
But if it is open , then anyone can potentially host information .
Maybe I 'm interested in a specific niche that one source may cater to .
Honestly , though , I still buy CD 's ( bought one a few days ago in fact ) .
Why ? Because CDs do not have DRM and the ambiguity over what is considered Fair Use is has not yet been settled .
If I buy a CD , I can rip it to my hard drive in the format of my choosing .
I can share it across my network .
I can put it on a portable device .
There is no limit to the number of copies I can make .
I have the collection backed up , but at the end of the day , I still have that physical copy and is indisputably legal .
Yes I get artwork and lyrics , which is good for the first day I crack open the jewel case and start listening , but then it goes in the CD drawer for the remainder of its life .
Now I know that these days legally downloadable music can come without the DRM , like from Amazon .
But now I have to go to extra pains to protect my purchase from loss in the ways of ensuring that all is backed up properly .
Yes I can burn CDs with the same amount of effort it takes to rip them , but those are now on generic blank discs with no " authenticity " to them .
I 'm not that old , so I ca n't necessarily say if this is a case of " Get off my lawn !
" Maybe its because I had been an avid CD buyer up until college ( that 's when I got my first high speed internet and I began downloading like mad ) and I have recently began buying CDs again .
I have amassed this great collection , physical artifacts of my money spent , that would like to continue to hold on to and grow .
Maybe it 's because I 'm such a fan of a good Album .
When I listen to my collection on a computer or mp3 player , its so easy just to keep it all on shuffle and hit play ( and I do this a lot ) , but when you pop in a CD ( or even cassette or vinyl ) you are making a commitment to the album .
I listen to the whole thing all the way through .
The album sets and sustains a mood .
If the mood changes , you are carefully transitioned .
The track ordering on an album is deliberate .
Some albums you would never realize have an overall " concept " if you just listened to the popular singles .
A good example is the latest album by Muse .
I 'd heard some singles , liked what I heard .
When you listen to the whole thing all together , you realize that each track continues a story .
The singles on the radio are like movie trailers .
You get some of the great highlights , but if you never see the movie , you miss out on a lot of great stuff .
Of course , the trailer might have the only parts worth watching , but we call that a bad movie , and as well , we should call them bad albums .
Ok wow , this really turned into a ramble...I apolize folks .
Just felt like getting some of my latest thoughts down .
Thansk to those who hung in there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I see that this new format will be updating itself with new content, I'm wondering where exactly is this file looking for this new content?
Is this a closed protocol run by either the format's creators or some other corporation bestowed witht he responsibility?
Or is it an open protocol where there may exist multiple sources for this information that the application I use to play/manage these files can specify where to find the data, much like with CDDB?
If it's closed, then my concerns are the same as with DRMed music files.
If the company stops providing the service, do I know lose the functionality?
Do I stop getting updates?
If I paid a premium for a file format that promised regularly updated premium content, then I'd be pretty mad if the premium content stopped coming.
But if it is open, then anyone can potentially host information.
Maybe I'm interested in a specific niche that one source may cater to.
Honestly, though, I still buy CD's (bought one a few days ago in fact).
Why?  Because CDs do not have DRM and the ambiguity over what is considered Fair Use is has not yet been settled.
If I buy a CD, I can rip it to my hard drive in the format of my choosing.
I can share it across my network.
I can put it on a portable device.
There is no limit to the number of copies I can make.
I have the collection backed up, but at the end of the day, I still have that physical copy and is indisputably legal.
Yes I get artwork and lyrics, which is good for the first day I crack open the jewel case and start listening, but then it goes in the CD drawer for the remainder of its life.
Now I know that these days legally downloadable music can come without the DRM, like from Amazon.
But now I have to go to extra pains to protect my purchase from loss in the ways of ensuring that all is backed up properly.
Yes I can burn CDs with the same amount of effort it takes to rip them, but those are now on generic blank discs with no "authenticity" to them.
I'm not that old, so I can't necessarily say if this is a case of "Get off my lawn!
"  Maybe its because I had been an avid CD buyer up until college (that's when I got my first high speed internet and I began downloading like mad) and I have recently began buying CDs again.
I have amassed this great collection, physical artifacts of my money spent, that would like to continue to hold on to and grow.
Maybe it's because I'm such a fan of a good Album.
When I listen to my collection on a computer or mp3 player, its so easy just to keep it all on shuffle and hit play (and I do this a lot), but when you pop in a CD (or even cassette or vinyl) you are making a commitment to the album.
I listen to the whole thing all the way through.
The album sets and sustains a mood.
If the mood changes, you are carefully transitioned.
The track ordering on an album is deliberate.
Some albums you would never realize have an overall "concept" if you just listened to the popular singles.
A good example is the latest album by Muse.
I'd heard some singles, liked what I heard.
When you listen to the whole thing all together, you realize that each track continues a story.
The singles on the radio are like movie trailers.
You get some of the great highlights, but if you never see the movie, you miss out on a lot of great stuff.
Of course, the trailer might have the only parts worth watching, but we call that a bad movie, and as well, we should call them bad albums.
Ok wow, this really turned into a ramble...I apolize folks.
Just felt like getting some of my latest thoughts down.
Thansk to those who hung in there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895308</id>
	<title>Sending data to files?</title>
	<author>Overzeetop</author>
	<datestamp>1264412340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article was particularly thin on the mechanism for this push technology. It sounds a lot like you'll need to install their rootkit^Wmaintenance program which will spend endless resources on your machine and network indexing your files and listening out for the mothership to apply updates. This could add up to a lot of data traveling about. I've got a modest collection of about 8500 tracks - all ripped from CDs I've purchased. Now, of course they're not in MP3 format - I got fooled once ripping to a lossy format and did my "archival" rips with FLAC.  Still, with hundreds of artists all trying to stream advertisements^Wcontent to my server, that could get annoying. Of course, that doesn't even address the security issues, or the presence of (as I like to call them) "rented/borrowed" content saved along side my "owned" library.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article was particularly thin on the mechanism for this push technology .
It sounds a lot like you 'll need to install their rootkit ^ Wmaintenance program which will spend endless resources on your machine and network indexing your files and listening out for the mothership to apply updates .
This could add up to a lot of data traveling about .
I 've got a modest collection of about 8500 tracks - all ripped from CDs I 've purchased .
Now , of course they 're not in MP3 format - I got fooled once ripping to a lossy format and did my " archival " rips with FLAC .
Still , with hundreds of artists all trying to stream advertisements ^ Wcontent to my server , that could get annoying .
Of course , that does n't even address the security issues , or the presence of ( as I like to call them ) " rented/borrowed " content saved along side my " owned " library .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article was particularly thin on the mechanism for this push technology.
It sounds a lot like you'll need to install their rootkit^Wmaintenance program which will spend endless resources on your machine and network indexing your files and listening out for the mothership to apply updates.
This could add up to a lot of data traveling about.
I've got a modest collection of about 8500 tracks - all ripped from CDs I've purchased.
Now, of course they're not in MP3 format - I got fooled once ripping to a lossy format and did my "archival" rips with FLAC.
Still, with hundreds of artists all trying to stream advertisements^Wcontent to my server, that could get annoying.
Of course, that doesn't even address the security issues, or the presence of (as I like to call them) "rented/borrowed" content saved along side my "owned" library.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895394</id>
	<title>Re:Extra content</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264412640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Given that one of the main reasons for buying music over simply downloading it is art work, lyrics, and extra content</p></div></blockquote><p>That's just industry nonsense.</p><p>The main reason for buying music over simply downloading it is six-figure fines if the RIAA goes after you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Given that one of the main reasons for buying music over simply downloading it is art work , lyrics , and extra contentThat 's just industry nonsense.The main reason for buying music over simply downloading it is six-figure fines if the RIAA goes after you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given that one of the main reasons for buying music over simply downloading it is art work, lyrics, and extra contentThat's just industry nonsense.The main reason for buying music over simply downloading it is six-figure fines if the RIAA goes after you.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894854</id>
	<title>Just what I want embedded in my mp3s...</title>
	<author>FooAtWFU</author>
	<datestamp>1264410420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes! Embed video interviews that are 10 times as big as the mp3 itself, because that's exactly what I want to squeeze onto my music player's limited space.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes !
Embed video interviews that are 10 times as big as the mp3 itself , because that 's exactly what I want to squeeze onto my music player 's limited space .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes!
Embed video interviews that are 10 times as big as the mp3 itself, because that's exactly what I want to squeeze onto my music player's limited space.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895184</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>InlawBiker</author>
	<datestamp>1264411740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Doesn't matter what we, the end users, want.  The customer is big record labels. They want a format to "combat piracy while adding value and opportunities for marketing synergy in strategic channels."</p><p>The folks who designed the format know perfectly well it will never go anywhere.  So what!  They're getting paid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't matter what we , the end users , want .
The customer is big record labels .
They want a format to " combat piracy while adding value and opportunities for marketing synergy in strategic channels .
" The folks who designed the format know perfectly well it will never go anywhere .
So what !
They 're getting paid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't matter what we, the end users, want.
The customer is big record labels.
They want a format to "combat piracy while adding value and opportunities for marketing synergy in strategic channels.
"The folks who designed the format know perfectly well it will never go anywhere.
So what!
They're getting paid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895790</id>
	<title>The REAL (secret) marketing plan.</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1264414140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You guys are missing the real, secret marketing plan.  Those files will be available P2P.  The "album art" will not be the tiny little CD cover, but a goatse.  Fans of music that would like a goatse will get a different yet equally offensive picture.  The "social networking" will not "friend" you to the band, but to alqada or some other james bond-ian villian.  Instead of the web integration making the band your new homepage, it will make 4chan your new home page (assuming it isn't already, of course).  You get the idea, basically it'll be trash.</p><p>And those "bad" files will be widely distributed P2P by the music middlemen themselves, to poison the well.  I can see the whiny public service infomercial now... "remember when you could download music safely?  Well those days are over, now a simple music file and totally screw up your computer and ipod.  But on the good side, you can pay a mere $2 per track for one of our guaranteed SAFE music files at our new web store."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You guys are missing the real , secret marketing plan .
Those files will be available P2P .
The " album art " will not be the tiny little CD cover , but a goatse .
Fans of music that would like a goatse will get a different yet equally offensive picture .
The " social networking " will not " friend " you to the band , but to alqada or some other james bond-ian villian .
Instead of the web integration making the band your new homepage , it will make 4chan your new home page ( assuming it is n't already , of course ) .
You get the idea , basically it 'll be trash.And those " bad " files will be widely distributed P2P by the music middlemen themselves , to poison the well .
I can see the whiny public service infomercial now... " remember when you could download music safely ?
Well those days are over , now a simple music file and totally screw up your computer and ipod .
But on the good side , you can pay a mere $ 2 per track for one of our guaranteed SAFE music files at our new web store .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You guys are missing the real, secret marketing plan.
Those files will be available P2P.
The "album art" will not be the tiny little CD cover, but a goatse.
Fans of music that would like a goatse will get a different yet equally offensive picture.
The "social networking" will not "friend" you to the band, but to alqada or some other james bond-ian villian.
Instead of the web integration making the band your new homepage, it will make 4chan your new home page (assuming it isn't already, of course).
You get the idea, basically it'll be trash.And those "bad" files will be widely distributed P2P by the music middlemen themselves, to poison the well.
I can see the whiny public service infomercial now... "remember when you could download music safely?
Well those days are over, now a simple music file and totally screw up your computer and ipod.
But on the good side, you can pay a mere $2 per track for one of our guaranteed SAFE music files at our new web store.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895720</id>
	<title>I'll pass, thanks</title>
	<author>holiggan</author>
	<datestamp>1264413840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using MP3 since the dawn of the format (for some reason, I've never quite hook up with OGGs), and I don't intend to change it to anything else soon. I also use FLAC, for the lossless backups of my CD collection.</p><p>I couldn't care less about "value added" content. Heck, I don't even want lyrics on my music files! If I want "value added", I'll just go and watch the artists live. Now that's "value added".</p><p>Meanwhile, I'm sticking with MP3s and FLACs, and I can't think of a reason to switch to another format.</p><p>Seriously, I can't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using MP3 since the dawn of the format ( for some reason , I 've never quite hook up with OGGs ) , and I do n't intend to change it to anything else soon .
I also use FLAC , for the lossless backups of my CD collection.I could n't care less about " value added " content .
Heck , I do n't even want lyrics on my music files !
If I want " value added " , I 'll just go and watch the artists live .
Now that 's " value added " .Meanwhile , I 'm sticking with MP3s and FLACs , and I ca n't think of a reason to switch to another format.Seriously , I ca n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using MP3 since the dawn of the format (for some reason, I've never quite hook up with OGGs), and I don't intend to change it to anything else soon.
I also use FLAC, for the lossless backups of my CD collection.I couldn't care less about "value added" content.
Heck, I don't even want lyrics on my music files!
If I want "value added", I'll just go and watch the artists live.
Now that's "value added".Meanwhile, I'm sticking with MP3s and FLACs, and I can't think of a reason to switch to another format.Seriously, I can't.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30896628</id>
	<title>Revisionist music, anyone?</title>
	<author>Firewheels</author>
	<datestamp>1264417200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"Using the new technology, music labels and bands will be able to send updates to the music files &ndash; with tour dates, interviews or updates to social networking pages &ndash; while illegally-downloaded files remain static. "</i></p><p>It seems to me that an unspoken option to the above is that not only can content be added, it can also be removed or changed.  Imagine having an 'Enhanced' MP3 with explicit language that you've paid for. Two weeks later, some parents' group sues the record publisher over the content of the track.  The very next time you listen to the track, the original language has been replaced by a reference to warm puppies.</p><p>I'll take my music unchangable, thank you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Using the new technology , music labels and bands will be able to send updates to the music files    with tour dates , interviews or updates to social networking pages    while illegally-downloaded files remain static .
" It seems to me that an unspoken option to the above is that not only can content be added , it can also be removed or changed .
Imagine having an 'Enhanced ' MP3 with explicit language that you 've paid for .
Two weeks later , some parents ' group sues the record publisher over the content of the track .
The very next time you listen to the track , the original language has been replaced by a reference to warm puppies.I 'll take my music unchangable , thank you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Using the new technology, music labels and bands will be able to send updates to the music files – with tour dates, interviews or updates to social networking pages – while illegally-downloaded files remain static.
"It seems to me that an unspoken option to the above is that not only can content be added, it can also be removed or changed.
Imagine having an 'Enhanced' MP3 with explicit language that you've paid for.
Two weeks later, some parents' group sues the record publisher over the content of the track.
The very next time you listen to the track, the original language has been replaced by a reference to warm puppies.I'll take my music unchangable, thank you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895520</id>
	<title>Re:Extra content</title>
	<author>Wuhao</author>
	<datestamp>1264413000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The counterpoint to that would be that in exchange for excessive restrictions on my bought-and-paid-for music, I am now also getting excessive restrictions on my bought-and-paid-for music, liner notes and artwork.</p><p>Most of what they're saying not only has no place in the file, but is easily found for free on the Internet. I can typically find all the tour dates, lyrics, band photos and interviews I want between the band's website and the first few hits on Google. MusicDNA seeks to aggregate all of this information for me, which might be of some small convenience, but at the cost of tremendously reduced portability.</p><p>Not only will I be giving up my ability to put it on whatever device I please, but I also have to worry about space on my phone -- if I put a MusicDNA-based album on, will it be 10 times bigger because it's crammed with a bunch of ridiculous interviews that I'll either never care about, or -- in very rare cases -- watch once?</p><p>I realize that competing with free means all sorts of ideas have to be considered, but as a legitimate customer who has a bunch of DRMed songs he can't listen to anymore, I can say that the only acceptable format to me is one which is unencrypted and well-documented. No amount of bloat is going to change that for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The counterpoint to that would be that in exchange for excessive restrictions on my bought-and-paid-for music , I am now also getting excessive restrictions on my bought-and-paid-for music , liner notes and artwork.Most of what they 're saying not only has no place in the file , but is easily found for free on the Internet .
I can typically find all the tour dates , lyrics , band photos and interviews I want between the band 's website and the first few hits on Google .
MusicDNA seeks to aggregate all of this information for me , which might be of some small convenience , but at the cost of tremendously reduced portability.Not only will I be giving up my ability to put it on whatever device I please , but I also have to worry about space on my phone -- if I put a MusicDNA-based album on , will it be 10 times bigger because it 's crammed with a bunch of ridiculous interviews that I 'll either never care about , or -- in very rare cases -- watch once ? I realize that competing with free means all sorts of ideas have to be considered , but as a legitimate customer who has a bunch of DRMed songs he ca n't listen to anymore , I can say that the only acceptable format to me is one which is unencrypted and well-documented .
No amount of bloat is going to change that for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The counterpoint to that would be that in exchange for excessive restrictions on my bought-and-paid-for music, I am now also getting excessive restrictions on my bought-and-paid-for music, liner notes and artwork.Most of what they're saying not only has no place in the file, but is easily found for free on the Internet.
I can typically find all the tour dates, lyrics, band photos and interviews I want between the band's website and the first few hits on Google.
MusicDNA seeks to aggregate all of this information for me, which might be of some small convenience, but at the cost of tremendously reduced portability.Not only will I be giving up my ability to put it on whatever device I please, but I also have to worry about space on my phone -- if I put a MusicDNA-based album on, will it be 10 times bigger because it's crammed with a bunch of ridiculous interviews that I'll either never care about, or -- in very rare cases -- watch once?I realize that competing with free means all sorts of ideas have to be considered, but as a legitimate customer who has a bunch of DRMed songs he can't listen to anymore, I can say that the only acceptable format to me is one which is unencrypted and well-documented.
No amount of bloat is going to change that for me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895210</id>
	<title>Re:Combatting Piracy</title>
	<author>godrik</author>
	<datestamp>1264411860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>instead spend money on good song writers and good performers and make good music.</p></div><p>But that's difficult to find. It is easier to spend money on crappy engineers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>instead spend money on good song writers and good performers and make good music.But that 's difficult to find .
It is easier to spend money on crappy engineers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>instead spend money on good song writers and good performers and make good music.But that's difficult to find.
It is easier to spend money on crappy engineers.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894756</id>
	<title>Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264410060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>with tour dates, interviews or updates to social networking pages &ndash; while illegally-downloaded files remain static.</p></div><p>So if I want to buy music legitly, in addition to paying for the track I will now also get spammed with ads?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>with tour dates , interviews or updates to social networking pages    while illegally-downloaded files remain static.So if I want to buy music legitly , in addition to paying for the track I will now also get spammed with ads ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>with tour dates, interviews or updates to social networking pages – while illegally-downloaded files remain static.So if I want to buy music legitly, in addition to paying for the track I will now also get spammed with ads?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30902514</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264511760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I understand the point of incentivizing legitimate downloads [...] If they really want to incentivize legit downloads [...]</p></div><p>OK, I really don't want to be a linguistic prescriptivist, but still, can we please keep these management buzzwords that the suits spew from seeping into actual tech sites as well?</p><p>The proper word is "encourage".</p><p>Thank you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I understand the point of incentivizing legitimate downloads [ ... ] If they really want to incentivize legit downloads [ ... ] OK , I really do n't want to be a linguistic prescriptivist , but still , can we please keep these management buzzwords that the suits spew from seeping into actual tech sites as well ? The proper word is " encourage " .Thank you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I understand the point of incentivizing legitimate downloads [...] If they really want to incentivize legit downloads [...]OK, I really don't want to be a linguistic prescriptivist, but still, can we please keep these management buzzwords that the suits spew from seeping into actual tech sites as well?The proper word is "encourage".Thank you.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895200</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>Kitkoan</author>
	<datestamp>1264411800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Sounds like a misguided effort. What I really want, is high-quality audio in smaller file sizes. It seems like they're creating a solution without a problem, or for the wrong problem.</p></div><p>Smaller file sizes would be a much better option then all these extra's hidden away in the file. I won't be surprised to see programs popping up to help strip all this extra information away since MP3 players seem to be getting smaller not larger. My old player was 80gigs, but when I needed to buy a new one last month I was hard pressed to find one larger then 32gigs, with many being around the 16gig size. And larger files means less music that can be taken with you so people will just try to strip this extra junk with them, since most mp3 players don't even have internet connection to take advantage of the updated information, only a computer or smartphone is able to.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like a misguided effort .
What I really want , is high-quality audio in smaller file sizes .
It seems like they 're creating a solution without a problem , or for the wrong problem.Smaller file sizes would be a much better option then all these extra 's hidden away in the file .
I wo n't be surprised to see programs popping up to help strip all this extra information away since MP3 players seem to be getting smaller not larger .
My old player was 80gigs , but when I needed to buy a new one last month I was hard pressed to find one larger then 32gigs , with many being around the 16gig size .
And larger files means less music that can be taken with you so people will just try to strip this extra junk with them , since most mp3 players do n't even have internet connection to take advantage of the updated information , only a computer or smartphone is able to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like a misguided effort.
What I really want, is high-quality audio in smaller file sizes.
It seems like they're creating a solution without a problem, or for the wrong problem.Smaller file sizes would be a much better option then all these extra's hidden away in the file.
I won't be surprised to see programs popping up to help strip all this extra information away since MP3 players seem to be getting smaller not larger.
My old player was 80gigs, but when I needed to buy a new one last month I was hard pressed to find one larger then 32gigs, with many being around the 16gig size.
And larger files means less music that can be taken with you so people will just try to strip this extra junk with them, since most mp3 players don't even have internet connection to take advantage of the updated information, only a computer or smartphone is able to.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30894814</id>
	<title>What? Why?</title>
	<author>DigitalGodBoy</author>
	<datestamp>1264410240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>This was dead before they wrote the first line of the spec. The MP3 genie is out of the bottle and there's no amount of wishful thinking that can be done by the record companies to stuff it back in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This was dead before they wrote the first line of the spec .
The MP3 genie is out of the bottle and there 's no amount of wishful thinking that can be done by the record companies to stuff it back in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was dead before they wrote the first line of the spec.
The MP3 genie is out of the bottle and there's no amount of wishful thinking that can be done by the record companies to stuff it back in.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30897216</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like features I need from an audio file</title>
	<author>Frank Dreben</author>
	<datestamp>1264419960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not to pick nits, but 320 is the *maximum* bit rate for mp3, so technically you have a 320 kbps cbr file or (more likely) you have a a vbr file encoded with the -V0 option that probably includes many frames encoded at 320.
<br> <br>
<a href="http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=LAME" title="hydrogenaudio.org" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=LAME</a> [hydrogenaudio.org] <br> <br>

That said, I don't get the point of this new format, to me it has the qualities needed to make me avoid it.  It seems like a security hole waiting to be exploited.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to pick nits , but 320 is the * maximum * bit rate for mp3 , so technically you have a 320 kbps cbr file or ( more likely ) you have a a vbr file encoded with the -V0 option that probably includes many frames encoded at 320 . http : //wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php ? title = LAME [ hydrogenaudio.org ] That said , I do n't get the point of this new format , to me it has the qualities needed to make me avoid it .
It seems like a security hole waiting to be exploited .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to pick nits, but 320 is the *maximum* bit rate for mp3, so technically you have a 320 kbps cbr file or (more likely) you have a a vbr file encoded with the -V0 option that probably includes many frames encoded at 320.
 
http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=LAME [hydrogenaudio.org]  

That said, I don't get the point of this new format, to me it has the qualities needed to make me avoid it.
It seems like a security hole waiting to be exploited.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30897398</id>
	<title>No thanks!</title>
	<author>Terminus32</author>
	<datestamp>1264420980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I buy music it is vinyl - I do support the artists, but the music I collect/mix isn't released on CD or in digital format, it's always going to be wax!</p><p>And if I do download an MP3, it's usually in a mix anyway, otherwise it's all about ripping from YouTube even if you do get awful quality sound!<br>I wish OGG files would take off too!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I buy music it is vinyl - I do support the artists , but the music I collect/mix is n't released on CD or in digital format , it 's always going to be wax ! And if I do download an MP3 , it 's usually in a mix anyway , otherwise it 's all about ripping from YouTube even if you do get awful quality sound ! I wish OGG files would take off too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I buy music it is vinyl - I do support the artists, but the music I collect/mix isn't released on CD or in digital format, it's always going to be wax!And if I do download an MP3, it's usually in a mix anyway, otherwise it's all about ripping from YouTube even if you do get awful quality sound!I wish OGG files would take off too!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895650</id>
	<title>Re:Combatting Piracy</title>
	<author>c0d3g33k</author>
	<datestamp>1264413600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree with your opening statement, but<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p><div class="quote"><p>And, more specifically, the best way to combat piracy is to realize you're not going to succeed and instead find a new business model that works. You'll notice that the bands who are highly profitable have figured something very important out - CD sales are not the road to riches - concert tours are where you make truck loads of money. The \_experience\_ of music is something people are willing to spend a LOT of money on. Listening to music just entices them to spend $200 a ticket to see the live performance on stage. Once more music people figure this out - once more music people figure out that the old way of becoming rich in the industry is dead - the better off everyone will be.</p></div><p>This will last until people can record binocular video and binaural surround audio of their surroundings using body mounted nano- cameras and microphones that aren't easily detectable (or until "personal experience capture for digital life archiving" is protected by law so 'life recording equipment' doesn't have to be hidden), and social crowdsourcing sites allow people to combine a montage of different perspectives from everyone in attendance so equipped into a nicely edited concert video.  The latter hitting torrent sites will spell the end of "live concerts" as the scarcity-du-jour guaranteed to make truck loads of money.  I guess "business model technology hopscotch" is a good short term strategy, but ultimately I'd like to just see business models develop that are based on an equitable and fair exchange rather than depend on artificial scarcity.  Give people a good reason to pay and give them value when they do.  This may not always translate into 'truckloads of money', but it might be a way to enable more people overall to make a good sustainable living creating music, art or whatever.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with your opening statement , but ...And , more specifically , the best way to combat piracy is to realize you 're not going to succeed and instead find a new business model that works .
You 'll notice that the bands who are highly profitable have figured something very important out - CD sales are not the road to riches - concert tours are where you make truck loads of money .
The \ _experience \ _ of music is something people are willing to spend a LOT of money on .
Listening to music just entices them to spend $ 200 a ticket to see the live performance on stage .
Once more music people figure this out - once more music people figure out that the old way of becoming rich in the industry is dead - the better off everyone will be.This will last until people can record binocular video and binaural surround audio of their surroundings using body mounted nano- cameras and microphones that are n't easily detectable ( or until " personal experience capture for digital life archiving " is protected by law so 'life recording equipment ' does n't have to be hidden ) , and social crowdsourcing sites allow people to combine a montage of different perspectives from everyone in attendance so equipped into a nicely edited concert video .
The latter hitting torrent sites will spell the end of " live concerts " as the scarcity-du-jour guaranteed to make truck loads of money .
I guess " business model technology hopscotch " is a good short term strategy , but ultimately I 'd like to just see business models develop that are based on an equitable and fair exchange rather than depend on artificial scarcity .
Give people a good reason to pay and give them value when they do .
This may not always translate into 'truckloads of money ' , but it might be a way to enable more people overall to make a good sustainable living creating music , art or whatever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with your opening statement, but ...And, more specifically, the best way to combat piracy is to realize you're not going to succeed and instead find a new business model that works.
You'll notice that the bands who are highly profitable have figured something very important out - CD sales are not the road to riches - concert tours are where you make truck loads of money.
The \_experience\_ of music is something people are willing to spend a LOT of money on.
Listening to music just entices them to spend $200 a ticket to see the live performance on stage.
Once more music people figure this out - once more music people figure out that the old way of becoming rich in the industry is dead - the better off everyone will be.This will last until people can record binocular video and binaural surround audio of their surroundings using body mounted nano- cameras and microphones that aren't easily detectable (or until "personal experience capture for digital life archiving" is protected by law so 'life recording equipment' doesn't have to be hidden), and social crowdsourcing sites allow people to combine a montage of different perspectives from everyone in attendance so equipped into a nicely edited concert video.
The latter hitting torrent sites will spell the end of "live concerts" as the scarcity-du-jour guaranteed to make truck loads of money.
I guess "business model technology hopscotch" is a good short term strategy, but ultimately I'd like to just see business models develop that are based on an equitable and fair exchange rather than depend on artificial scarcity.
Give people a good reason to pay and give them value when they do.
This may not always translate into 'truckloads of money', but it might be a way to enable more people overall to make a good sustainable living creating music, art or whatever.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895118</id>
	<title>At least they got the direction right</title>
	<author>marcosdumay</author>
	<datestamp>1264411380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It won't be sucessfull (who wants that stuff?), and even if it were, it wouldn't reduce piracy (what is stopping people to pirate the new content, every time it changes?). But it is at least a step on the right direction. The way to fight piracy is offering added value at the legitm copies, not subtracted value, and they got that right.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It wo n't be sucessfull ( who wants that stuff ?
) , and even if it were , it would n't reduce piracy ( what is stopping people to pirate the new content , every time it changes ? ) .
But it is at least a step on the right direction .
The way to fight piracy is offering added value at the legitm copies , not subtracted value , and they got that right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It won't be sucessfull (who wants that stuff?
), and even if it were, it wouldn't reduce piracy (what is stopping people to pirate the new content, every time it changes?).
But it is at least a step on the right direction.
The way to fight piracy is offering added value at the legitm copies, not subtracted value, and they got that right.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895476</id>
	<title>who cares</title>
	<author>micromuncher</author>
	<datestamp>1264412880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really, who cares.  mp3 is pervasive.  Companies have been bslapped for not supporting plain ol' mp3s.  (Sony AAC only devices... die quick deaths.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really , who cares .
mp3 is pervasive .
Companies have been bslapped for not supporting plain ol ' mp3s .
( Sony AAC only devices... die quick deaths .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really, who cares.
mp3 is pervasive.
Companies have been bslapped for not supporting plain ol' mp3s.
(Sony AAC only devices... die quick deaths.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1758218.30895258</id>
	<title>uh huh</title>
	<author>koan</author>
	<datestamp>1264412100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like a perfect vector for malware, and (glances at watch) it's hacked....next!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like a perfect vector for malware , and ( glances at watch ) it 's hacked....next ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like a perfect vector for malware, and (glances at watch) it's hacked....next!!
!</sentencetext>
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