<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_24_1227217</id>
	<title>Rumor &mdash; AT&amp;T Losing iPhone Exclusivity Next Week</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1264342200000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hothardware.com/" rel="nofollow">MojoKid</a> writes <i>"An inside source over at HotHardware <a href="http://hothardware.com/News/Will-ATT-Lose-Their-iPhone-Exclusivity-On-Wednesday/">reports that AT&amp;T will lose their iPhone exclusivity on 1/27</a>, coincident with Apple's upcoming press event next week, though it's not yet clear what other carriers will be stepping in to pick up the iPhone. For anyone who has followed the saga, you may notice that you haven't seen AT&amp;T fighting to extend their original exclusive agreement as of late. In fact, they have spent most of their time fighting Verizon's negative ad campaigns.  This may not be all that surprising. Inside of AT&amp;T, word is that the iPhone is causing more trouble than ever before. On some level, having the iPhone is hurting AT&amp;T's image. Do you remember hearing about AT&amp;T's 'horrible network' before the iPhone? The iPhone itself doesn't really handle the switch from 3G to EDGE very gracefully, so calls that are in-progress tend to fail whenever 3G connections aren't optimal and the phone attempts to step down to EDGE. It seems that AT&amp;T may finally be tired of taking the heat."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>MojoKid writes " An inside source over at HotHardware reports that AT&amp;T will lose their iPhone exclusivity on 1/27 , coincident with Apple 's upcoming press event next week , though it 's not yet clear what other carriers will be stepping in to pick up the iPhone .
For anyone who has followed the saga , you may notice that you have n't seen AT&amp;T fighting to extend their original exclusive agreement as of late .
In fact , they have spent most of their time fighting Verizon 's negative ad campaigns .
This may not be all that surprising .
Inside of AT&amp;T , word is that the iPhone is causing more trouble than ever before .
On some level , having the iPhone is hurting AT&amp;T 's image .
Do you remember hearing about AT&amp;T 's 'horrible network ' before the iPhone ?
The iPhone itself does n't really handle the switch from 3G to EDGE very gracefully , so calls that are in-progress tend to fail whenever 3G connections are n't optimal and the phone attempts to step down to EDGE .
It seems that AT&amp;T may finally be tired of taking the heat .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MojoKid writes "An inside source over at HotHardware reports that AT&amp;T will lose their iPhone exclusivity on 1/27, coincident with Apple's upcoming press event next week, though it's not yet clear what other carriers will be stepping in to pick up the iPhone.
For anyone who has followed the saga, you may notice that you haven't seen AT&amp;T fighting to extend their original exclusive agreement as of late.
In fact, they have spent most of their time fighting Verizon's negative ad campaigns.
This may not be all that surprising.
Inside of AT&amp;T, word is that the iPhone is causing more trouble than ever before.
On some level, having the iPhone is hurting AT&amp;T's image.
Do you remember hearing about AT&amp;T's 'horrible network' before the iPhone?
The iPhone itself doesn't really handle the switch from 3G to EDGE very gracefully, so calls that are in-progress tend to fail whenever 3G connections aren't optimal and the phone attempts to step down to EDGE.
It seems that AT&amp;T may finally be tired of taking the heat.
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878310</id>
	<title>Hmmm....</title>
	<author>rinoid</author>
	<datestamp>1264349220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>You sure can smell it can't you? The smell of troll bait in the morning<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...
<br> <br>
The iPhone is fine, so fine it's sold 10 million units. It works just fine.
<br> <br>
Before the iPhone we had the choice between crap and crappy and a decent RIM device. Please don't tell me about your Treo.
<br>After the iPhone we have a few choices of very good, very smart devices.
<br> <br>
The post is a rumor which doesn't suit<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. as many have pointed out<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but most of the replies are trolls who feel it's their duty to point out how much the iPhone sucks, the users are idiots, or if only it ran Linux wouldn't the world be a whole lot better?
<br> <br>
I can't wait for the announcement to see what new device or new services are potentially opened up. I don't care to prognosticate but it'd be nice to have open carrier choices among all handsets -- but this has never really been the case. Thanks to innovation and a little more pressure from Google openly stating this as their goal it may happen.
Just like DRM and iTunes where so many needed to blame Apple, call the service shit, call the device shit, it's happening with ATT, carrier lock-in, and the iPhone.
<br> <br> <br>

Troll bait hoo-ha-ha!</htmltext>
<tokenext>You sure can smell it ca n't you ?
The smell of troll bait in the morning .. . The iPhone is fine , so fine it 's sold 10 million units .
It works just fine .
Before the iPhone we had the choice between crap and crappy and a decent RIM device .
Please do n't tell me about your Treo .
After the iPhone we have a few choices of very good , very smart devices .
The post is a rumor which does n't suit / .
as many have pointed out ... but most of the replies are trolls who feel it 's their duty to point out how much the iPhone sucks , the users are idiots , or if only it ran Linux would n't the world be a whole lot better ?
I ca n't wait for the announcement to see what new device or new services are potentially opened up .
I do n't care to prognosticate but it 'd be nice to have open carrier choices among all handsets -- but this has never really been the case .
Thanks to innovation and a little more pressure from Google openly stating this as their goal it may happen .
Just like DRM and iTunes where so many needed to blame Apple , call the service shit , call the device shit , it 's happening with ATT , carrier lock-in , and the iPhone .
Troll bait hoo-ha-ha !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You sure can smell it can't you?
The smell of troll bait in the morning ...
 
The iPhone is fine, so fine it's sold 10 million units.
It works just fine.
Before the iPhone we had the choice between crap and crappy and a decent RIM device.
Please don't tell me about your Treo.
After the iPhone we have a few choices of very good, very smart devices.
The post is a rumor which doesn't suit /.
as many have pointed out ... but most of the replies are trolls who feel it's their duty to point out how much the iPhone sucks, the users are idiots, or if only it ran Linux wouldn't the world be a whole lot better?
I can't wait for the announcement to see what new device or new services are potentially opened up.
I don't care to prognosticate but it'd be nice to have open carrier choices among all handsets -- but this has never really been the case.
Thanks to innovation and a little more pressure from Google openly stating this as their goal it may happen.
Just like DRM and iTunes where so many needed to blame Apple, call the service shit, call the device shit, it's happening with ATT, carrier lock-in, and the iPhone.
Troll bait hoo-ha-ha!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878020</id>
	<title>Shiny overrode Technical</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264346640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i> The iPhone itself doesn't really handle the switch from 3G to EDGE very gracefully, so calls that are in-progress tend to fail whenever 3G connections aren't optimal and the phone attempts to step down to EDGE.</i>

</p><p>Given that carriers test phones on networks, it would not be the least surprising to learn that AT&amp;T technical staff evaluated the iPhone (or already had experience with the 'modem' it uses), told management about the problems, and management decided what was more important was the couple of years of revenue from people who wanted iPhones regardless of the network.

</p><p>I've been a customer of AT&amp;T since the "AT&amp;T wireless" days (pre AT&amp;T, pre "cingular", etc.) and I can count the number of dropped calls on one hand.  I currently have an original iPhone, jailbroken/unlocked, on a very old AT&amp;T Wireless account.  $30/month for a regional plan = awesome (as is having one device to surf the web where I can get Wifi, play games, listen to music, and make phone calls.)

</p><p>Living in New England, I also haven't heard many complaints from 3G iPhone users.  Seems to be mostly NYC where people are screaming (yes kids, NY and NYC are not "New England.")</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The iPhone itself does n't really handle the switch from 3G to EDGE very gracefully , so calls that are in-progress tend to fail whenever 3G connections are n't optimal and the phone attempts to step down to EDGE .
Given that carriers test phones on networks , it would not be the least surprising to learn that AT&amp;T technical staff evaluated the iPhone ( or already had experience with the 'modem ' it uses ) , told management about the problems , and management decided what was more important was the couple of years of revenue from people who wanted iPhones regardless of the network .
I 've been a customer of AT&amp;T since the " AT&amp;T wireless " days ( pre AT&amp;T , pre " cingular " , etc .
) and I can count the number of dropped calls on one hand .
I currently have an original iPhone , jailbroken/unlocked , on a very old AT&amp;T Wireless account .
$ 30/month for a regional plan = awesome ( as is having one device to surf the web where I can get Wifi , play games , listen to music , and make phone calls .
) Living in New England , I also have n't heard many complaints from 3G iPhone users .
Seems to be mostly NYC where people are screaming ( yes kids , NY and NYC are not " New England .
" )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  The iPhone itself doesn't really handle the switch from 3G to EDGE very gracefully, so calls that are in-progress tend to fail whenever 3G connections aren't optimal and the phone attempts to step down to EDGE.
Given that carriers test phones on networks, it would not be the least surprising to learn that AT&amp;T technical staff evaluated the iPhone (or already had experience with the 'modem' it uses), told management about the problems, and management decided what was more important was the couple of years of revenue from people who wanted iPhones regardless of the network.
I've been a customer of AT&amp;T since the "AT&amp;T wireless" days (pre AT&amp;T, pre "cingular", etc.
) and I can count the number of dropped calls on one hand.
I currently have an original iPhone, jailbroken/unlocked, on a very old AT&amp;T Wireless account.
$30/month for a regional plan = awesome (as is having one device to surf the web where I can get Wifi, play games, listen to music, and make phone calls.
)

Living in New England, I also haven't heard many complaints from 3G iPhone users.
Seems to be mostly NYC where people are screaming (yes kids, NY and NYC are not "New England.
")</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30883910</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>TiberiusMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1264338660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As others here have said, I'm in the UK on O2 and I have zero problem with this issue at all.  Zero.
My coverage jumps from 3G to 2G regularly and I never ever have a dropped call.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As others here have said , I 'm in the UK on O2 and I have zero problem with this issue at all .
Zero . My coverage jumps from 3G to 2G regularly and I never ever have a dropped call .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As others here have said, I'm in the UK on O2 and I have zero problem with this issue at all.
Zero.
My coverage jumps from 3G to 2G regularly and I never ever have a dropped call.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878122</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30879132</id>
	<title>I have always heard of AT&amp;T's terrible network</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264354740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in Atlanta, where AT&amp;T Wireless' headquarters is located.  Before it was AT&amp;T, it was Cingular -- and it was always terrible.</p><p>I have a friend who took a picture of him holding an AT&amp;T branded phone in front of AT&amp;T's headquarters.  No bars.  His friend with Verizon, and his other friend with Spring, held their phones.  Full bars.</p><p>This was before the iPhone.</p><p>The iPhone is not the cause of AT&amp;T's poor network,  The iPhone exposed the poor network.</p><p>Nevertheless, while living in England my wife and I owned iPhones on O2's network.  I will say I had a much better time running it in EDGE mode than 3G, so I would not be surprised if the transition between 3G and EDGE was a problem.  (It always seemed to have more problems when I would dip in-and-out of 3G coverage.  This was the 3G phone.)</p><p>Still, while I am excited about the iPhone coming to other networks, I'm no fool.  The iPhone will expose other networks' flaws.  The only question is whether those flaws are as bad as AT&amp;T's.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in Atlanta , where AT&amp;T Wireless ' headquarters is located .
Before it was AT&amp;T , it was Cingular -- and it was always terrible.I have a friend who took a picture of him holding an AT&amp;T branded phone in front of AT&amp;T 's headquarters .
No bars .
His friend with Verizon , and his other friend with Spring , held their phones .
Full bars.This was before the iPhone.The iPhone is not the cause of AT&amp;T 's poor network , The iPhone exposed the poor network.Nevertheless , while living in England my wife and I owned iPhones on O2 's network .
I will say I had a much better time running it in EDGE mode than 3G , so I would not be surprised if the transition between 3G and EDGE was a problem .
( It always seemed to have more problems when I would dip in-and-out of 3G coverage .
This was the 3G phone .
) Still , while I am excited about the iPhone coming to other networks , I 'm no fool .
The iPhone will expose other networks ' flaws .
The only question is whether those flaws are as bad as AT&amp;T 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in Atlanta, where AT&amp;T Wireless' headquarters is located.
Before it was AT&amp;T, it was Cingular -- and it was always terrible.I have a friend who took a picture of him holding an AT&amp;T branded phone in front of AT&amp;T's headquarters.
No bars.
His friend with Verizon, and his other friend with Spring, held their phones.
Full bars.This was before the iPhone.The iPhone is not the cause of AT&amp;T's poor network,  The iPhone exposed the poor network.Nevertheless, while living in England my wife and I owned iPhones on O2's network.
I will say I had a much better time running it in EDGE mode than 3G, so I would not be surprised if the transition between 3G and EDGE was a problem.
(It always seemed to have more problems when I would dip in-and-out of 3G coverage.
This was the 3G phone.
)Still, while I am excited about the iPhone coming to other networks, I'm no fool.
The iPhone will expose other networks' flaws.
The only question is whether those flaws are as bad as AT&amp;T's.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30885416</id>
	<title>I want 5 yr contracts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264349820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where ever they go, I kind of hope that they raise the unit price, bind me to a 5 yr commitment and don't allow me to upgrade unless I sign a new agreement again, oh and nickle and dime me to death with useless apps that really waste my time , but they are only<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.99 cents ec so nvm..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where ever they go , I kind of hope that they raise the unit price , bind me to a 5 yr commitment and do n't allow me to upgrade unless I sign a new agreement again , oh and nickle and dime me to death with useless apps that really waste my time , but they are only .99 cents ec so nvm. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where ever they go, I kind of hope that they raise the unit price, bind me to a 5 yr commitment and don't allow me to upgrade unless I sign a new agreement again, oh and nickle and dime me to death with useless apps that really waste my time , but they are only .99 cents ec so nvm..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30883536</id>
	<title>Re:Shiny overrode Technical</title>
	<author>Skuld-Chan</author>
	<datestamp>1264336440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Living in New England, I also haven't heard many complaints from 3G iPhone users. Seems to be mostly NYC where people are screaming (yes kids, NY and NYC are not "New England.")</p></div></blockquote><p>I lived in Connecticut for a while (I grew up in Oregon - so I believe I offer a unique perspective in this claim) and never did understand this difference - people there hated it when you even hinted at New York being part of New England. New York is named after a place in England - everyone knows this right? New Jersey is also named after a place in England.</p><p>Since they both have *new* in front of them and are named after actual places in England I hereby proclaim they are part of New England.</p><p>Also the population density there is about 30x what it is in pretty much any other place in the USA (good example - even in rural Mass or the rural parts of CT it was really hard to stand anywhere and not see a dozen houses within close proximity, also when driving places it was extremely hard to notice when one town ended and the other started - something sometimes hard to miss in Oregon for example) - if cell phone companies can't cover that area it wouldn't bode well for the rest of us. And surprise - AT&amp;T actually has a hard time covering one of the most populous cities in the US - New York City.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Living in New England , I also have n't heard many complaints from 3G iPhone users .
Seems to be mostly NYC where people are screaming ( yes kids , NY and NYC are not " New England .
" ) I lived in Connecticut for a while ( I grew up in Oregon - so I believe I offer a unique perspective in this claim ) and never did understand this difference - people there hated it when you even hinted at New York being part of New England .
New York is named after a place in England - everyone knows this right ?
New Jersey is also named after a place in England.Since they both have * new * in front of them and are named after actual places in England I hereby proclaim they are part of New England.Also the population density there is about 30x what it is in pretty much any other place in the USA ( good example - even in rural Mass or the rural parts of CT it was really hard to stand anywhere and not see a dozen houses within close proximity , also when driving places it was extremely hard to notice when one town ended and the other started - something sometimes hard to miss in Oregon for example ) - if cell phone companies ca n't cover that area it would n't bode well for the rest of us .
And surprise - AT&amp;T actually has a hard time covering one of the most populous cities in the US - New York City .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Living in New England, I also haven't heard many complaints from 3G iPhone users.
Seems to be mostly NYC where people are screaming (yes kids, NY and NYC are not "New England.
")I lived in Connecticut for a while (I grew up in Oregon - so I believe I offer a unique perspective in this claim) and never did understand this difference - people there hated it when you even hinted at New York being part of New England.
New York is named after a place in England - everyone knows this right?
New Jersey is also named after a place in England.Since they both have *new* in front of them and are named after actual places in England I hereby proclaim they are part of New England.Also the population density there is about 30x what it is in pretty much any other place in the USA (good example - even in rural Mass or the rural parts of CT it was really hard to stand anywhere and not see a dozen houses within close proximity, also when driving places it was extremely hard to notice when one town ended and the other started - something sometimes hard to miss in Oregon for example) - if cell phone companies can't cover that area it wouldn't bode well for the rest of us.
And surprise - AT&amp;T actually has a hard time covering one of the most populous cities in the US - New York City.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878086</id>
	<title>Sigh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264347180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>So why didn't you wait till next week to publish a verified fact?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So why did n't you wait till next week to publish a verified fact ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So why didn't you wait till next week to publish a verified fact?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30883936</id>
	<title>About time!</title>
	<author>init-five</author>
	<datestamp>1264338780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>AT&amp;T's 3G network is a proven joke, but not a funny one. These 'unprintable' 'unprintable' are charging for 3G service but under-delivering a measly Edge 5 times a day,  in the 21st century, in America. The Attorney Generals should be taking action and clawing money back from these crooks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>AT&amp;T 's 3G network is a proven joke , but not a funny one .
These 'unprintable ' 'unprintable ' are charging for 3G service but under-delivering a measly Edge 5 times a day , in the 21st century , in America .
The Attorney Generals should be taking action and clawing money back from these crooks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AT&amp;T's 3G network is a proven joke, but not a funny one.
These 'unprintable' 'unprintable' are charging for 3G service but under-delivering a measly Edge 5 times a day,  in the 21st century, in America.
The Attorney Generals should be taking action and clawing money back from these crooks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30879286</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264355520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"bur" right now</p><p>lol right now.</p><p>For the Horde!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" bur " right nowlol right now.For the Horde !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"bur" right nowlol right now.For the Horde!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878064</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30881356</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>\_Sprocket\_</author>
	<datestamp>1264366320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Android's fine for geeks who don't like fuild usability, but it'll take another generation or two for Android to catch up.</p></div><p>There's this running joke that geeks hate ease of use; that it's an anathema to the technical-minded ego or eliminates the gate that kept the non-technical riff-raff out of the technician's playground / club.  However, I can't think of too many geeks that really do hate ease of use per se.  There's aggravation when ease of use features eliminate control or otherwise get in the way of doing something. But in itself, a slick design is usually appreciated.  I would challenge you to find someone who's looked at an iPhone and complained that it's too easy to use or the interface is too fluid.</p><p>What I do see is a differing weight scale assigned to the importance of the interface.  I, myself, don't care if the iPhone is more fluid or not.  I find the Android environment to be slick in it's own right.  If it's not as fluid as the iPhone, then so be it (I've never sat down with the devices side-by-side so I don't have an opinion on the accuracy of this claim).  I don't find that as important as some of the other things you find in the Android environment.  And so my personal weight scale puts Android devices in general far above the iPhone.  YMMV.</p><p>On a somewhat related note - usability has often been introduced as some holy grail of market domination.  But it isn't.  Apple fans always grated at Wintel domination despite their choice's superior interface (and having never owned a Mac, I was surprised to find something to these claims when I was forced to fix the darned things years ago).  Wintel owned a market despite the supposedly glaring inferiority.  Ironically, you now have Windows fans claiming domination on the same point.  The two interesting things here is that the geeks that would launch impassioned tirades about operating systems would include usability in their arguments despite the contrary stereotype and that actual market history demonstrates that there are plenty of other factors involved.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Android 's fine for geeks who do n't like fuild usability , but it 'll take another generation or two for Android to catch up.There 's this running joke that geeks hate ease of use ; that it 's an anathema to the technical-minded ego or eliminates the gate that kept the non-technical riff-raff out of the technician 's playground / club .
However , I ca n't think of too many geeks that really do hate ease of use per se .
There 's aggravation when ease of use features eliminate control or otherwise get in the way of doing something .
But in itself , a slick design is usually appreciated .
I would challenge you to find someone who 's looked at an iPhone and complained that it 's too easy to use or the interface is too fluid.What I do see is a differing weight scale assigned to the importance of the interface .
I , myself , do n't care if the iPhone is more fluid or not .
I find the Android environment to be slick in it 's own right .
If it 's not as fluid as the iPhone , then so be it ( I 've never sat down with the devices side-by-side so I do n't have an opinion on the accuracy of this claim ) .
I do n't find that as important as some of the other things you find in the Android environment .
And so my personal weight scale puts Android devices in general far above the iPhone .
YMMV.On a somewhat related note - usability has often been introduced as some holy grail of market domination .
But it is n't .
Apple fans always grated at Wintel domination despite their choice 's superior interface ( and having never owned a Mac , I was surprised to find something to these claims when I was forced to fix the darned things years ago ) .
Wintel owned a market despite the supposedly glaring inferiority .
Ironically , you now have Windows fans claiming domination on the same point .
The two interesting things here is that the geeks that would launch impassioned tirades about operating systems would include usability in their arguments despite the contrary stereotype and that actual market history demonstrates that there are plenty of other factors involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Android's fine for geeks who don't like fuild usability, but it'll take another generation or two for Android to catch up.There's this running joke that geeks hate ease of use; that it's an anathema to the technical-minded ego or eliminates the gate that kept the non-technical riff-raff out of the technician's playground / club.
However, I can't think of too many geeks that really do hate ease of use per se.
There's aggravation when ease of use features eliminate control or otherwise get in the way of doing something.
But in itself, a slick design is usually appreciated.
I would challenge you to find someone who's looked at an iPhone and complained that it's too easy to use or the interface is too fluid.What I do see is a differing weight scale assigned to the importance of the interface.
I, myself, don't care if the iPhone is more fluid or not.
I find the Android environment to be slick in it's own right.
If it's not as fluid as the iPhone, then so be it (I've never sat down with the devices side-by-side so I don't have an opinion on the accuracy of this claim).
I don't find that as important as some of the other things you find in the Android environment.
And so my personal weight scale puts Android devices in general far above the iPhone.
YMMV.On a somewhat related note - usability has often been introduced as some holy grail of market domination.
But it isn't.
Apple fans always grated at Wintel domination despite their choice's superior interface (and having never owned a Mac, I was surprised to find something to these claims when I was forced to fix the darned things years ago).
Wintel owned a market despite the supposedly glaring inferiority.
Ironically, you now have Windows fans claiming domination on the same point.
The two interesting things here is that the geeks that would launch impassioned tirades about operating systems would include usability in their arguments despite the contrary stereotype and that actual market history demonstrates that there are plenty of other factors involved.
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	<title>ok lets try to understand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264354620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>" The iPhone itself doesn't really handle the switch from 3G to EDGE very gracefully, so calls that are in-progress tend to fail whenever 3G connections aren't optimal and the phone attempts to step down to EDGE"</p><p>GSM is the Standard ATT uses to place all voice calls, EDGE and UMTS(3G) are the data side hence why an ATT phone can easily use the data and voice side at the same time...How does data handoffs affect voice calls i'm very confused.  Plz keep in mind i worked at ATT at the time they implemented gsm/edge 2.5G is there something different about the infrastructure now that the data side can now supersede the voice part of a call?  Or is the arcticle trying to find causation is the chaos?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The iPhone itself does n't really handle the switch from 3G to EDGE very gracefully , so calls that are in-progress tend to fail whenever 3G connections are n't optimal and the phone attempts to step down to EDGE " GSM is the Standard ATT uses to place all voice calls , EDGE and UMTS ( 3G ) are the data side hence why an ATT phone can easily use the data and voice side at the same time...How does data handoffs affect voice calls i 'm very confused .
Plz keep in mind i worked at ATT at the time they implemented gsm/edge 2.5G is there something different about the infrastructure now that the data side can now supersede the voice part of a call ?
Or is the arcticle trying to find causation is the chaos ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>" The iPhone itself doesn't really handle the switch from 3G to EDGE very gracefully, so calls that are in-progress tend to fail whenever 3G connections aren't optimal and the phone attempts to step down to EDGE"GSM is the Standard ATT uses to place all voice calls, EDGE and UMTS(3G) are the data side hence why an ATT phone can easily use the data and voice side at the same time...How does data handoffs affect voice calls i'm very confused.
Plz keep in mind i worked at ATT at the time they implemented gsm/edge 2.5G is there something different about the infrastructure now that the data side can now supersede the voice part of a call?
Or is the arcticle trying to find causation is the chaos?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30883154</id>
	<title>I'll switch from AT&amp;T for TRUE "unlimited" pla</title>
	<author>mrnick</author>
	<datestamp>1264333980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My main complaint with using my iPhone with AT&amp;T is that they force you to pay for an unlimited plan.  If you read the contract AT&amp;T defines unlimited as free usage as long as it is not excessive.</p><p>www.dictionary.com defines unlimited as: not limited; unrestricted; without any qualification or exception; unconditional.</p><p>This is the definition I have been raised to use for the word unlimited.  I don't think it is ethical, or even legal, to be able to redefine a word in contract.</p><p>Even with AT&amp;T's restricted use of the word unlimited they are still complaining about how much data iPhone users are using.  I'm sure there are many AT&amp;T/iPhone users that would not be using as much data if they were not forced to purchase an "unlimited data plan".</p><p>But, I'm going to wait and see which providers, if any, start supporting the iPhone.  If any of them allow for true unlimited data, at a reasonable rate, I will likely go with them if their coverage area is adequate in my area.  Also, I do think unlimited data should not restrict tethering but I would be willing to pay a nominal fee for the ability to tether with a true unlimited plan.</p><p>A similar situation happened in the early introduction of commercial Internet services.  Monthly plans were restricted by time, then by bandwidth, and then even the big players were forced to provide TRUE unlimited access at a reasonable rate.  You do have your bandwidth hogs and power users but when you look at the big picture the majority don't even use a moderate amount their unlimited service.  It's the law of large numbers.</p><p>I'm glad AT&amp;T is suffering from iPhone usage.  I didn't like the exclusive deal in the first place.  If I could have my wish answered then on Wednesday Apple would allow any carrier, that uses a sim, to use and sell the iPhone and that AT&amp;T allowed people to get out of their contract periods to get the iPhones off their network.</p><p>But, if wishes were horses begers would RIDE!</p><p>Nick Powers</p><p>
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<tokenext>My main complaint with using my iPhone with AT&amp;T is that they force you to pay for an unlimited plan .
If you read the contract AT&amp;T defines unlimited as free usage as long as it is not excessive.www.dictionary.com defines unlimited as : not limited ; unrestricted ; without any qualification or exception ; unconditional.This is the definition I have been raised to use for the word unlimited .
I do n't think it is ethical , or even legal , to be able to redefine a word in contract.Even with AT&amp;T 's restricted use of the word unlimited they are still complaining about how much data iPhone users are using .
I 'm sure there are many AT&amp;T/iPhone users that would not be using as much data if they were not forced to purchase an " unlimited data plan " .But , I 'm going to wait and see which providers , if any , start supporting the iPhone .
If any of them allow for true unlimited data , at a reasonable rate , I will likely go with them if their coverage area is adequate in my area .
Also , I do think unlimited data should not restrict tethering but I would be willing to pay a nominal fee for the ability to tether with a true unlimited plan.A similar situation happened in the early introduction of commercial Internet services .
Monthly plans were restricted by time , then by bandwidth , and then even the big players were forced to provide TRUE unlimited access at a reasonable rate .
You do have your bandwidth hogs and power users but when you look at the big picture the majority do n't even use a moderate amount their unlimited service .
It 's the law of large numbers.I 'm glad AT&amp;T is suffering from iPhone usage .
I did n't like the exclusive deal in the first place .
If I could have my wish answered then on Wednesday Apple would allow any carrier , that uses a sim , to use and sell the iPhone and that AT&amp;T allowed people to get out of their contract periods to get the iPhones off their network.But , if wishes were horses begers would RIDE ! Nick Powers  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>My main complaint with using my iPhone with AT&amp;T is that they force you to pay for an unlimited plan.
If you read the contract AT&amp;T defines unlimited as free usage as long as it is not excessive.www.dictionary.com defines unlimited as: not limited; unrestricted; without any qualification or exception; unconditional.This is the definition I have been raised to use for the word unlimited.
I don't think it is ethical, or even legal, to be able to redefine a word in contract.Even with AT&amp;T's restricted use of the word unlimited they are still complaining about how much data iPhone users are using.
I'm sure there are many AT&amp;T/iPhone users that would not be using as much data if they were not forced to purchase an "unlimited data plan".But, I'm going to wait and see which providers, if any, start supporting the iPhone.
If any of them allow for true unlimited data, at a reasonable rate, I will likely go with them if their coverage area is adequate in my area.
Also, I do think unlimited data should not restrict tethering but I would be willing to pay a nominal fee for the ability to tether with a true unlimited plan.A similar situation happened in the early introduction of commercial Internet services.
Monthly plans were restricted by time, then by bandwidth, and then even the big players were forced to provide TRUE unlimited access at a reasonable rate.
You do have your bandwidth hogs and power users but when you look at the big picture the majority don't even use a moderate amount their unlimited service.
It's the law of large numbers.I'm glad AT&amp;T is suffering from iPhone usage.
I didn't like the exclusive deal in the first place.
If I could have my wish answered then on Wednesday Apple would allow any carrier, that uses a sim, to use and sell the iPhone and that AT&amp;T allowed people to get out of their contract periods to get the iPhones off their network.But, if wishes were horses begers would RIDE!Nick Powers
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878306</id>
	<title>Re:Sigh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264349220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By next week many people may have signed up with AT&amp;T whom, had they known, would have waited to check for better deals / a preferred carrier.</p><p>Don't hold your breath though. The situation in the UK after the iPhone recently became non-exclusive is a bunch of <a href="http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/deals/cheap-iphone" title="moneysavingexpert.com">remarkably similar deals</a> [moneysavingexpert.com], the only notable exception being that Tesco offers a 12 month contract.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By next week many people may have signed up with AT&amp;T whom , had they known , would have waited to check for better deals / a preferred carrier.Do n't hold your breath though .
The situation in the UK after the iPhone recently became non-exclusive is a bunch of remarkably similar deals [ moneysavingexpert.com ] , the only notable exception being that Tesco offers a 12 month contract .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By next week many people may have signed up with AT&amp;T whom, had they known, would have waited to check for better deals / a preferred carrier.Don't hold your breath though.
The situation in the UK after the iPhone recently became non-exclusive is a bunch of remarkably similar deals [moneysavingexpert.com], the only notable exception being that Tesco offers a 12 month contract.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878374</id>
	<title>AT&amp;T is awful in Central NH</title>
	<author>jjo</author>
	<datestamp>1264349880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I have an iPhone and it's OK in the Boston area, but I'm fairly often in central New Hampshire, and AT&amp;T sucks big time.  A few months ago, I had to take my wife to the emergency room, and wait for several hours.  Inside the Laconia hospital, my iPhone signal was zero, zippo, nada.  My wife's Verizon phone had a 4-bar signal strength.  While both AT&amp;T and Verizon have dead zones, AT&amp;T's seem to be much more prevalent.
</p><p>
I laugh when I see AT&amp;T's claims of having the "fastest" network.  It's not very fast when you have NO SIGNAL AT ALL!
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an iPhone and it 's OK in the Boston area , but I 'm fairly often in central New Hampshire , and AT&amp;T sucks big time .
A few months ago , I had to take my wife to the emergency room , and wait for several hours .
Inside the Laconia hospital , my iPhone signal was zero , zippo , nada .
My wife 's Verizon phone had a 4-bar signal strength .
While both AT&amp;T and Verizon have dead zones , AT&amp;T 's seem to be much more prevalent .
I laugh when I see AT&amp;T 's claims of having the " fastest " network .
It 's not very fast when you have NO SIGNAL AT ALL !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I have an iPhone and it's OK in the Boston area, but I'm fairly often in central New Hampshire, and AT&amp;T sucks big time.
A few months ago, I had to take my wife to the emergency room, and wait for several hours.
Inside the Laconia hospital, my iPhone signal was zero, zippo, nada.
My wife's Verizon phone had a 4-bar signal strength.
While both AT&amp;T and Verizon have dead zones, AT&amp;T's seem to be much more prevalent.
I laugh when I see AT&amp;T's claims of having the "fastest" network.
It's not very fast when you have NO SIGNAL AT ALL!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30883564</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>slapys</author>
	<datestamp>1264336560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>For one the market share for iPhones is still much much larger then all the Android based phones out there. It is second only to RIM Blackberries.</p></div></blockquote><p>
That's actually not true, Nokia's apple share has always been <a href="http://pulse2.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/debankvalue.jpg" title="pulse2.com" rel="nofollow">much higher</a> [pulse2.com] than Apple's.
Apple's profit margins are rather substantial, though, compared to their percentage of the market.</p></div>
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<tokenext>For one the market share for iPhones is still much much larger then all the Android based phones out there .
It is second only to RIM Blackberries .
That 's actually not true , Nokia 's apple share has always been much higher [ pulse2.com ] than Apple 's .
Apple 's profit margins are rather substantial , though , compared to their percentage of the market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For one the market share for iPhones is still much much larger then all the Android based phones out there.
It is second only to RIM Blackberries.
That's actually not true, Nokia's apple share has always been much higher [pulse2.com] than Apple's.
Apple's profit margins are rather substantial, though, compared to their percentage of the market.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30879728</id>
	<title>Re:Verizon iPhone</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1264358340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If there is a tablet, it will have a cell data network.  Some say this network is Verizon,though obviously it could be ATT.  Some reports says Kindle has completely moved from Sprint to ATT, though the Table will be a much data intensive.
<p>
My feeling is that if the Tablet uses a network other than ATT,and if the user is to pay for access, then it would make sense that iPhone diversified the iPhone line up.  My fear is that Apple may cave and modify the phone to meet the provider needs at the expense of user, although I don't think this is likely. Hopefully apple will just change the RF transceiver to work with Verizon of whatever. Presumably they have this component already in place for the alleged Tablet.
</p><p>
Of course this may mean that any such phones may not ship until the spring,   This would make sense as any Verizon iPhone would exist solely to compete with a Verizon Nexus One.  I myself would see no need to spend the extra money for Verizon, and would likely not get a tablet if it meant have a Verizon contract.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If there is a tablet , it will have a cell data network .
Some say this network is Verizon,though obviously it could be ATT .
Some reports says Kindle has completely moved from Sprint to ATT , though the Table will be a much data intensive .
My feeling is that if the Tablet uses a network other than ATT,and if the user is to pay for access , then it would make sense that iPhone diversified the iPhone line up .
My fear is that Apple may cave and modify the phone to meet the provider needs at the expense of user , although I do n't think this is likely .
Hopefully apple will just change the RF transceiver to work with Verizon of whatever .
Presumably they have this component already in place for the alleged Tablet .
Of course this may mean that any such phones may not ship until the spring , This would make sense as any Verizon iPhone would exist solely to compete with a Verizon Nexus One .
I myself would see no need to spend the extra money for Verizon , and would likely not get a tablet if it meant have a Verizon contract .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there is a tablet, it will have a cell data network.
Some say this network is Verizon,though obviously it could be ATT.
Some reports says Kindle has completely moved from Sprint to ATT, though the Table will be a much data intensive.
My feeling is that if the Tablet uses a network other than ATT,and if the user is to pay for access, then it would make sense that iPhone diversified the iPhone line up.
My fear is that Apple may cave and modify the phone to meet the provider needs at the expense of user, although I don't think this is likely.
Hopefully apple will just change the RF transceiver to work with Verizon of whatever.
Presumably they have this component already in place for the alleged Tablet.
Of course this may mean that any such phones may not ship until the spring,   This would make sense as any Verizon iPhone would exist solely to compete with a Verizon Nexus One.
I myself would see no need to spend the extra money for Verizon, and would likely not get a tablet if it meant have a Verizon contract.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878806</id>
	<title>Re:3G on T-Mobile?</title>
	<author>MobyTurbo</author>
	<datestamp>1264352760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Correct, unless the phone supports both American 3g bands, you'll lose 3g with your unlocked iPhone or any other GSM phone in the US. In Europe, the situation is different, as the EU forced all the carriers there to use the same standard for frequencies; GSM and 3g. (Their 3g is yet another 3g standard, different than both the ones used in the US, so don't get imported unlocked phones from there unless you want to lose 3g unless they support your US standard), and as a result, there's a lot less carrier lock-in there. <p>
The carrier lock-in in the US is solely because the FCC under Bush and other administrations took a hands-off approach to the US cellular phone market, allowing not only more than one kind of 3g network, both of which only work in the US (and maybe Canada), but also allowing several flavors of CDMA. Budget carriers like MetroPCS, if not GSM, use their own flavor of CDMA, just to make sure you can't use your nice smartphone from the big-name carriers and migrate to a budget carrier, and also iDEN for Nextel phones and Boost. Even the CDMA frequencies, identical for Sprint, Verizon, and some other carriers like Cricket, don't support other features such as SMS/MMS the same; so even if you hack your CDMA phone to unlock it (there's no such thing as an unlocked CDMA phone) not everything will work!</p><p>

I see this message is a bit complex, but it gives you some idea of how much the American consumer is getting screwed by the FCC's "free market" approach to regulating near-monopolies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Correct , unless the phone supports both American 3g bands , you 'll lose 3g with your unlocked iPhone or any other GSM phone in the US .
In Europe , the situation is different , as the EU forced all the carriers there to use the same standard for frequencies ; GSM and 3g .
( Their 3g is yet another 3g standard , different than both the ones used in the US , so do n't get imported unlocked phones from there unless you want to lose 3g unless they support your US standard ) , and as a result , there 's a lot less carrier lock-in there .
The carrier lock-in in the US is solely because the FCC under Bush and other administrations took a hands-off approach to the US cellular phone market , allowing not only more than one kind of 3g network , both of which only work in the US ( and maybe Canada ) , but also allowing several flavors of CDMA .
Budget carriers like MetroPCS , if not GSM , use their own flavor of CDMA , just to make sure you ca n't use your nice smartphone from the big-name carriers and migrate to a budget carrier , and also iDEN for Nextel phones and Boost .
Even the CDMA frequencies , identical for Sprint , Verizon , and some other carriers like Cricket , do n't support other features such as SMS/MMS the same ; so even if you hack your CDMA phone to unlock it ( there 's no such thing as an unlocked CDMA phone ) not everything will work !
I see this message is a bit complex , but it gives you some idea of how much the American consumer is getting screwed by the FCC 's " free market " approach to regulating near-monopolies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Correct, unless the phone supports both American 3g bands, you'll lose 3g with your unlocked iPhone or any other GSM phone in the US.
In Europe, the situation is different, as the EU forced all the carriers there to use the same standard for frequencies; GSM and 3g.
(Their 3g is yet another 3g standard, different than both the ones used in the US, so don't get imported unlocked phones from there unless you want to lose 3g unless they support your US standard), and as a result, there's a lot less carrier lock-in there.
The carrier lock-in in the US is solely because the FCC under Bush and other administrations took a hands-off approach to the US cellular phone market, allowing not only more than one kind of 3g network, both of which only work in the US (and maybe Canada), but also allowing several flavors of CDMA.
Budget carriers like MetroPCS, if not GSM, use their own flavor of CDMA, just to make sure you can't use your nice smartphone from the big-name carriers and migrate to a budget carrier, and also iDEN for Nextel phones and Boost.
Even the CDMA frequencies, identical for Sprint, Verizon, and some other carriers like Cricket, don't support other features such as SMS/MMS the same; so even if you hack your CDMA phone to unlock it (there's no such thing as an unlocked CDMA phone) not everything will work!
I see this message is a bit complex, but it gives you some idea of how much the American consumer is getting screwed by the FCC's "free market" approach to regulating near-monopolies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30879242</id>
	<title>Time for a GSM/CDMA Hybrid Chip?</title>
	<author>shableep</author>
	<datestamp>1264355220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I haven't seen much talk about this, but it seems pretty potentially ground shaking to me that they could use something like this GSM/CDMA chip that has been in testing since <a href="http://latam.qualcomm.com/news/releases/1998/press966.html" title="qualcomm.com" rel="nofollow">1998</a> [qualcomm.com]. Even though some articles suggest <a href="http://nexus404.com/Blog/2009/12/02/new-apple-iphone-to-run-on-qualcomm-processors-gsmcdma-iphone-to-run-on-qualcomms-new-hybrid-processors/" title="nexus404.com" rel="nofollow">availability</a> [nexus404.com] of the Qualcomm chip wont be until 2011, do any of you think this shines light on the possibility of Apple pulling something like this off early?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't seen much talk about this , but it seems pretty potentially ground shaking to me that they could use something like this GSM/CDMA chip that has been in testing since 1998 [ qualcomm.com ] .
Even though some articles suggest availability [ nexus404.com ] of the Qualcomm chip wont be until 2011 , do any of you think this shines light on the possibility of Apple pulling something like this off early ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't seen much talk about this, but it seems pretty potentially ground shaking to me that they could use something like this GSM/CDMA chip that has been in testing since 1998 [qualcomm.com].
Even though some articles suggest availability [nexus404.com] of the Qualcomm chip wont be until 2011, do any of you think this shines light on the possibility of Apple pulling something like this off early?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30880932</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1264363920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My 5800 is fine for anyone. And it took Apple generations to catch up, even compared with bog standard phones from years earlier (copy/paste, Java, MMS, video, multitasking, running 3rd party applications without the company's permission, tethering - in fact, I believe shockingly they're still playing catchup on some of these things).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My 5800 is fine for anyone .
And it took Apple generations to catch up , even compared with bog standard phones from years earlier ( copy/paste , Java , MMS , video , multitasking , running 3rd party applications without the company 's permission , tethering - in fact , I believe shockingly they 're still playing catchup on some of these things ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My 5800 is fine for anyone.
And it took Apple generations to catch up, even compared with bog standard phones from years earlier (copy/paste, Java, MMS, video, multitasking, running 3rd party applications without the company's permission, tethering - in fact, I believe shockingly they're still playing catchup on some of these things).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878042</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264346760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you actually tried both?</p><p>Android's fine for geeks who don't like fuild usability, but it'll take another generation or two for Android to catch up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you actually tried both ? Android 's fine for geeks who do n't like fuild usability , but it 'll take another generation or two for Android to catch up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you actually tried both?Android's fine for geeks who don't like fuild usability, but it'll take another generation or two for Android to catch up.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878850</id>
	<title>So in other words...</title>
	<author>davidbrit2</author>
	<datestamp>1264353060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Time to buy Apple and short AT&amp;T.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Time to buy Apple and short AT&amp;T .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Time to buy Apple and short AT&amp;T.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30884076</id>
	<title>It's coming to Sprint.</title>
	<author>log0n</author>
	<datestamp>1264339740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Was informed a week ago when I was canceling my Sprint contract.  Spring has been really hurting wih the 'get out of contract ETF-free' thing.  The reason for the contract change is to accommodate the launch of the iPhone.</p><p>It's part of the Jan 27th announcement by Apple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Was informed a week ago when I was canceling my Sprint contract .
Spring has been really hurting wih the 'get out of contract ETF-free ' thing .
The reason for the contract change is to accommodate the launch of the iPhone.It 's part of the Jan 27th announcement by Apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Was informed a week ago when I was canceling my Sprint contract.
Spring has been really hurting wih the 'get out of contract ETF-free' thing.
The reason for the contract change is to accommodate the launch of the iPhone.It's part of the Jan 27th announcement by Apple.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878294</id>
	<title>Droid vs iPhone</title>
	<author>adairw</author>
	<datestamp>1264349040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a Droid on Verizon and my girlfriend just got an iPhone on at&amp;t. Nearly all my friends have iPhones and honestly I've always wanted one. However I didn't want to carry two att phones, as my work provides me a phone. So I've stuck with alltel/verizon for my personal phone.

As a self proclaimed nerd I really enjoy what I can do on my android device and I see a ton of potential in the future but as far as end to end experience goes, the iPhone's interface is a lot cleaner/smoother. As far as apps go on android I've found just about everything I want as far as apps go. Even most of the ones my friends have on iPhone.

One thing I really like about my droid is the quality of the calls both on speaker and on the hand set. Sounds really nerdy but I have a friend who works for a bank and he also has a droid, before he got it if he was in his server room on the phone I could hear the noise from all the servers and other equipment...Not with his droid, it sounded DEAD quiet. I kept asking him if he was really in the server room and he kept laughing at me saying he was.

I like at&amp;t and the iphone, I also like android and verizon. When it came down to it for me I wanted something new, not what everyone else had.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Droid on Verizon and my girlfriend just got an iPhone on at&amp;t .
Nearly all my friends have iPhones and honestly I 've always wanted one .
However I did n't want to carry two att phones , as my work provides me a phone .
So I 've stuck with alltel/verizon for my personal phone .
As a self proclaimed nerd I really enjoy what I can do on my android device and I see a ton of potential in the future but as far as end to end experience goes , the iPhone 's interface is a lot cleaner/smoother .
As far as apps go on android I 've found just about everything I want as far as apps go .
Even most of the ones my friends have on iPhone .
One thing I really like about my droid is the quality of the calls both on speaker and on the hand set .
Sounds really nerdy but I have a friend who works for a bank and he also has a droid , before he got it if he was in his server room on the phone I could hear the noise from all the servers and other equipment...Not with his droid , it sounded DEAD quiet .
I kept asking him if he was really in the server room and he kept laughing at me saying he was .
I like at&amp;t and the iphone , I also like android and verizon .
When it came down to it for me I wanted something new , not what everyone else had .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Droid on Verizon and my girlfriend just got an iPhone on at&amp;t.
Nearly all my friends have iPhones and honestly I've always wanted one.
However I didn't want to carry two att phones, as my work provides me a phone.
So I've stuck with alltel/verizon for my personal phone.
As a self proclaimed nerd I really enjoy what I can do on my android device and I see a ton of potential in the future but as far as end to end experience goes, the iPhone's interface is a lot cleaner/smoother.
As far as apps go on android I've found just about everything I want as far as apps go.
Even most of the ones my friends have on iPhone.
One thing I really like about my droid is the quality of the calls both on speaker and on the hand set.
Sounds really nerdy but I have a friend who works for a bank and he also has a droid, before he got it if he was in his server room on the phone I could hear the noise from all the servers and other equipment...Not with his droid, it sounded DEAD quiet.
I kept asking him if he was really in the server room and he kept laughing at me saying he was.
I like at&amp;t and the iphone, I also like android and verizon.
When it came down to it for me I wanted something new, not what everyone else had.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30884412</id>
	<title>Re:Shiny overrode Technical</title>
	<author>cheekyboy</author>
	<datestamp>1264342320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is it so hard to buy a 2nd cheap phone on a different network?</p><p>Just get a $30-$50 phone thats meant for teenagers, im sure that will work. And if your real cheap, get it on pre-paid, or $10/mo plans.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is it so hard to buy a 2nd cheap phone on a different network ? Just get a $ 30- $ 50 phone thats meant for teenagers , im sure that will work .
And if your real cheap , get it on pre-paid , or $ 10/mo plans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is it so hard to buy a 2nd cheap phone on a different network?Just get a $30-$50 phone thats meant for teenagers, im sure that will work.
And if your real cheap, get it on pre-paid, or $10/mo plans.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878248</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30950100</id>
	<title>Re:"in a cave": true</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264783680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mount Washington and Wildcat do NOT have antenna on them. There is a Verizon Antenna in Jackson and there is a US Cellular/Verizon tower in Gorham. You can pick up reception from those CDMA towers if you just stand in the right place along route 16. AT&amp;T rents some space on the Gorham tower I believe, but they dont on Jackson. So you get Zero service from the outskirts of Gorham until you hit the Cranmore tower in Conway.</p><p>Mount Washington will never get a Cell tower due to how bad it gets up there in winter and the extreme weather conditions it has. If that tower failed in the middle of a bad storm they would have to get engineers up there asap, and sometimes that is not possible. it is totally unrealistic to have towers on both Wildcat Summit and Washington.</p><p>Franconia Notch is hard for service due again to the topology. If you have a huge pile of rock blocking your line of site to the tower and that pile of rock is protected there will never be a tower on there to help with the load.</p><p>As I said before GSM carriers in Northern New Hampshire are the WORST choice. Very little overeager compared to CDMA, and AT&amp;T wont spend the mega money to rent from already existing towers as this would mean they would have to bring stores into the areas where they do have dedicated service and I dont know if you noticed, but new Hampshire is pretty dead job wise unless its tourism related.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mount Washington and Wildcat do NOT have antenna on them .
There is a Verizon Antenna in Jackson and there is a US Cellular/Verizon tower in Gorham .
You can pick up reception from those CDMA towers if you just stand in the right place along route 16 .
AT&amp;T rents some space on the Gorham tower I believe , but they dont on Jackson .
So you get Zero service from the outskirts of Gorham until you hit the Cranmore tower in Conway.Mount Washington will never get a Cell tower due to how bad it gets up there in winter and the extreme weather conditions it has .
If that tower failed in the middle of a bad storm they would have to get engineers up there asap , and sometimes that is not possible .
it is totally unrealistic to have towers on both Wildcat Summit and Washington.Franconia Notch is hard for service due again to the topology .
If you have a huge pile of rock blocking your line of site to the tower and that pile of rock is protected there will never be a tower on there to help with the load.As I said before GSM carriers in Northern New Hampshire are the WORST choice .
Very little overeager compared to CDMA , and AT&amp;T wont spend the mega money to rent from already existing towers as this would mean they would have to bring stores into the areas where they do have dedicated service and I dont know if you noticed , but new Hampshire is pretty dead job wise unless its tourism related .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mount Washington and Wildcat do NOT have antenna on them.
There is a Verizon Antenna in Jackson and there is a US Cellular/Verizon tower in Gorham.
You can pick up reception from those CDMA towers if you just stand in the right place along route 16.
AT&amp;T rents some space on the Gorham tower I believe, but they dont on Jackson.
So you get Zero service from the outskirts of Gorham until you hit the Cranmore tower in Conway.Mount Washington will never get a Cell tower due to how bad it gets up there in winter and the extreme weather conditions it has.
If that tower failed in the middle of a bad storm they would have to get engineers up there asap, and sometimes that is not possible.
it is totally unrealistic to have towers on both Wildcat Summit and Washington.Franconia Notch is hard for service due again to the topology.
If you have a huge pile of rock blocking your line of site to the tower and that pile of rock is protected there will never be a tower on there to help with the load.As I said before GSM carriers in Northern New Hampshire are the WORST choice.
Very little overeager compared to CDMA, and AT&amp;T wont spend the mega money to rent from already existing towers as this would mean they would have to bring stores into the areas where they do have dedicated service and I dont know if you noticed, but new Hampshire is pretty dead job wise unless its tourism related.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30881794</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30881082</id>
	<title>I call BS</title>
	<author>gyrogeerloose</author>
	<datestamp>1264364880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rumors about AT&amp;T losing it's iPhone exclusivity have been circulating for a couple of years now and still, if you want an iPhone, you have to sign up with AT&amp;T. Since Apple has repeatedly said that they have no interest in building a phone that will operate on the soon-to-be-obsolete CDMA networks and it will be at least two more years before any other U.S. carrier will roll out a next generation LTE network, AT&amp;T will retain it's U.S. exclusivity by default.</p><p>These rumors could very well be FUD circulated by some other carrier (Verizon) in an attempt to cause people considering switching to AT&amp;T for an iPhone to wait just a little bit longer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rumors about AT&amp;T losing it 's iPhone exclusivity have been circulating for a couple of years now and still , if you want an iPhone , you have to sign up with AT&amp;T .
Since Apple has repeatedly said that they have no interest in building a phone that will operate on the soon-to-be-obsolete CDMA networks and it will be at least two more years before any other U.S. carrier will roll out a next generation LTE network , AT&amp;T will retain it 's U.S. exclusivity by default.These rumors could very well be FUD circulated by some other carrier ( Verizon ) in an attempt to cause people considering switching to AT&amp;T for an iPhone to wait just a little bit longer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rumors about AT&amp;T losing it's iPhone exclusivity have been circulating for a couple of years now and still, if you want an iPhone, you have to sign up with AT&amp;T.
Since Apple has repeatedly said that they have no interest in building a phone that will operate on the soon-to-be-obsolete CDMA networks and it will be at least two more years before any other U.S. carrier will roll out a next generation LTE network, AT&amp;T will retain it's U.S. exclusivity by default.These rumors could very well be FUD circulated by some other carrier (Verizon) in an attempt to cause people considering switching to AT&amp;T for an iPhone to wait just a little bit longer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30885224</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares? Makes no sence at all!!</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1264347840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Your voice connection is not over IP</p></div><p>Who's to say he didn't mean VoIP calls?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your voice connection is not over IPWho 's to say he did n't mean VoIP calls ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your voice connection is not over IPWho's to say he didn't mean VoIP calls?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30880222</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878766</id>
	<title>OT:  iPhone now or wait?</title>
	<author>Stone316</author>
	<datestamp>1264352520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have the option to switch from my blackberry to the iphone... the only thing holding me back is whether or not a new one will be announced next week... Would you buy now or wait?   If the rumors are true, OLED, 5MP camera, flash but the ship date wasn't until June would you wait or just get it now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have the option to switch from my blackberry to the iphone... the only thing holding me back is whether or not a new one will be announced next week... Would you buy now or wait ?
If the rumors are true , OLED , 5MP camera , flash but the ship date was n't until June would you wait or just get it now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have the option to switch from my blackberry to the iphone... the only thing holding me back is whether or not a new one will be announced next week... Would you buy now or wait?
If the rumors are true, OLED, 5MP camera, flash but the ship date wasn't until June would you wait or just get it now?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30882384</id>
	<title>Re:Shiny overrode Technical</title>
	<author>metamatic</author>
	<datestamp>1264329180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, Cingular turned to crap after AT&amp;T took over. We switched back to T-Mobile rather than deal with call droppage. We're in Austin, TX.</p><p>Actually, it was funny during SXSW Interactive last year, walking around outside the conference halls watching frustrated people trying to make calls on their iPhones while BlackBerry users were chatting away happily.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , Cingular turned to crap after AT&amp;T took over .
We switched back to T-Mobile rather than deal with call droppage .
We 're in Austin , TX.Actually , it was funny during SXSW Interactive last year , walking around outside the conference halls watching frustrated people trying to make calls on their iPhones while BlackBerry users were chatting away happily .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, Cingular turned to crap after AT&amp;T took over.
We switched back to T-Mobile rather than deal with call droppage.
We're in Austin, TX.Actually, it was funny during SXSW Interactive last year, walking around outside the conference halls watching frustrated people trying to make calls on their iPhones while BlackBerry users were chatting away happily.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878256</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30879320</id>
	<title>Re:AT&amp;T is awful in Central NH</title>
	<author>Groggnrath</author>
	<datestamp>1264355640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And yet, I live in Vermont, and Verizon has about 75\% of the coverage of AT&amp;T. Anecdotal evidence really doesn't prove anything.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And yet , I live in Vermont , and Verizon has about 75 \ % of the coverage of AT&amp;T .
Anecdotal evidence really does n't prove anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And yet, I live in Vermont, and Verizon has about 75\% of the coverage of AT&amp;T.
Anecdotal evidence really doesn't prove anything.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878374</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30879810</id>
	<title>Re:Verified</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264358820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, completely unsubstantiated verification. For a second, I thought I might be on a Yahoo! Finance message board.</p><p>Btw, my father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate says your fiance is full of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , completely unsubstantiated verification .
For a second , I thought I might be on a Yahoo !
Finance message board.Btw , my father 's brother 's nephew 's cousin 's former roommate says your fiance is full of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, completely unsubstantiated verification.
For a second, I thought I might be on a Yahoo!
Finance message board.Btw, my father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate says your fiance is full of it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878166</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30889124</id>
	<title>Re:You're forgetting the price</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1264431300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What price advantage?  You're going out and buying a phone, than handicapping yourself into using it like a PDA.  Just buy a PDA and stop acting like you did something special and are sticking it to the man.</p><p>You aren't, you're just paying less because you don't use a major portion of the functionality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What price advantage ?
You 're going out and buying a phone , than handicapping yourself into using it like a PDA .
Just buy a PDA and stop acting like you did something special and are sticking it to the man.You are n't , you 're just paying less because you do n't use a major portion of the functionality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What price advantage?
You're going out and buying a phone, than handicapping yourself into using it like a PDA.
Just buy a PDA and stop acting like you did something special and are sticking it to the man.You aren't, you're just paying less because you don't use a major portion of the functionality.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878368</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30884382</id>
	<title>Re:Verified</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264342140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"My fiance works...."</p><p>Well we know you lying now as if your here the above statement is impossible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" My fiance works.... " Well we know you lying now as if your here the above statement is impossible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"My fiance works...."Well we know you lying now as if your here the above statement is impossible.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878166</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30879498</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>nevesis</author>
	<datestamp>1264356960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you can't piece together basic English, I don't trust your opinion on anything else.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you ca n't piece together basic English , I do n't trust your opinion on anything else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can't piece together basic English, I don't trust your opinion on anything else.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878064</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30889300</id>
	<title>Re:Verified - Bullshit</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1264432260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A) there would be no reason to tell her anything</p><p>B) Unless they are breaching their contract, the 5 year deal isn't over yet so this is all just bullshit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A ) there would be no reason to tell her anythingB ) Unless they are breaching their contract , the 5 year deal is n't over yet so this is all just bullshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A) there would be no reason to tell her anythingB) Unless they are breaching their contract, the 5 year deal isn't over yet so this is all just bullshit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878166</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878304</id>
	<title>Re:Shiny overrode Technical</title>
	<author>morgan\_greywolf</author>
	<datestamp>1264349220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've been a customer of AT&amp;T since the "AT&amp;T wireless" days (pre AT&amp;T, pre "cingular", etc.) and I can count the number of dropped calls on one hand. I currently have an original iPhone, jailbroken/unlocked, on a very old AT&amp;T Wireless account. $30/month for a regional plan = awesome (as is having one device to surf the web where I can get Wifi, play games, listen to music, and make phone calls.)</p> </div><p>Anecdote != data</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Living in New England, I also haven't heard many complaints from 3G iPhone users. Seems to be mostly NYC where people are screaming (yes kids, NY and NYC are not "New England.")</p></div><p>The plural of anecdote is also not data; it's anecdotes.</p><p>Generally, 3G  failover problems are going to come from two classes of users:  1) people who drive a lot, especially those who drive long distances; and 2) people who live or work in very densely-populated urban areas where there are lots of interference from tall buildings, industry, lots of radio noise, etc.  Note that the vast majority of "New England" doesn't fall into category 2, with the exception of Boston.  (New England = [Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Vermont])</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been a customer of AT&amp;T since the " AT&amp;T wireless " days ( pre AT&amp;T , pre " cingular " , etc .
) and I can count the number of dropped calls on one hand .
I currently have an original iPhone , jailbroken/unlocked , on a very old AT&amp;T Wireless account .
$ 30/month for a regional plan = awesome ( as is having one device to surf the web where I can get Wifi , play games , listen to music , and make phone calls .
) Anecdote ! = dataLiving in New England , I also have n't heard many complaints from 3G iPhone users .
Seems to be mostly NYC where people are screaming ( yes kids , NY and NYC are not " New England .
" ) The plural of anecdote is also not data ; it 's anecdotes.Generally , 3G failover problems are going to come from two classes of users : 1 ) people who drive a lot , especially those who drive long distances ; and 2 ) people who live or work in very densely-populated urban areas where there are lots of interference from tall buildings , industry , lots of radio noise , etc .
Note that the vast majority of " New England " does n't fall into category 2 , with the exception of Boston .
( New England = [ Connecticut , Maine , Massachusetts , New Hampshire , Rhode Island , Vermont ] )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been a customer of AT&amp;T since the "AT&amp;T wireless" days (pre AT&amp;T, pre "cingular", etc.
) and I can count the number of dropped calls on one hand.
I currently have an original iPhone, jailbroken/unlocked, on a very old AT&amp;T Wireless account.
$30/month for a regional plan = awesome (as is having one device to surf the web where I can get Wifi, play games, listen to music, and make phone calls.
) Anecdote != dataLiving in New England, I also haven't heard many complaints from 3G iPhone users.
Seems to be mostly NYC where people are screaming (yes kids, NY and NYC are not "New England.
")The plural of anecdote is also not data; it's anecdotes.Generally, 3G  failover problems are going to come from two classes of users:  1) people who drive a lot, especially those who drive long distances; and 2) people who live or work in very densely-populated urban areas where there are lots of interference from tall buildings, industry, lots of radio noise, etc.
Note that the vast majority of "New England" doesn't fall into category 2, with the exception of Boston.
(New England = [Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Vermont])
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878020</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30885154</id>
	<title>Re:iPhone Users are Heavy Data Users</title>
	<author>Renraku</author>
	<datestamp>1264347300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Surely not all of the heavy users are going to transfer over.  AT&amp;T will use a combination of punishment (You leave early, you pay your early termination fee, bitches!) and reward (stick with us and we'll take $x off of your bill!) to keep people.  I have a feeling they were waiting until they were well over decent capacity to let people go, ensuring that they'll settle somewhere around decent capacity when the smoke clears.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Surely not all of the heavy users are going to transfer over .
AT&amp;T will use a combination of punishment ( You leave early , you pay your early termination fee , bitches !
) and reward ( stick with us and we 'll take $ x off of your bill !
) to keep people .
I have a feeling they were waiting until they were well over decent capacity to let people go , ensuring that they 'll settle somewhere around decent capacity when the smoke clears .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surely not all of the heavy users are going to transfer over.
AT&amp;T will use a combination of punishment (You leave early, you pay your early termination fee, bitches!
) and reward (stick with us and we'll take $x off of your bill!
) to keep people.
I have a feeling they were waiting until they were well over decent capacity to let people go, ensuring that they'll settle somewhere around decent capacity when the smoke clears.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878014</id>
	<title>Verizon iPhone</title>
	<author>chrisgeleven</author>
	<datestamp>1264346640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My AT&amp;T contract is up on July 12th. I tell you, I am going to have a very difficult decision on that date if a Verizon version of the iPhone hasn't been announced or released by then. While I love my iPhone, the AT&amp;T service is just not reliable at all in my experience in New Hampshire, especially if you get out of the major cities. You pretty much have to be in a deep cave to not have a Verizon cell phone signal here.</p><p>My thinking is if there is no sign of a Verizon version of the iPhone by July 12th when my contract is up, I may very well switch to a Nexus One or Droid. It is sure going to be tempting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My AT&amp;T contract is up on July 12th .
I tell you , I am going to have a very difficult decision on that date if a Verizon version of the iPhone has n't been announced or released by then .
While I love my iPhone , the AT&amp;T service is just not reliable at all in my experience in New Hampshire , especially if you get out of the major cities .
You pretty much have to be in a deep cave to not have a Verizon cell phone signal here.My thinking is if there is no sign of a Verizon version of the iPhone by July 12th when my contract is up , I may very well switch to a Nexus One or Droid .
It is sure going to be tempting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My AT&amp;T contract is up on July 12th.
I tell you, I am going to have a very difficult decision on that date if a Verizon version of the iPhone hasn't been announced or released by then.
While I love my iPhone, the AT&amp;T service is just not reliable at all in my experience in New Hampshire, especially if you get out of the major cities.
You pretty much have to be in a deep cave to not have a Verizon cell phone signal here.My thinking is if there is no sign of a Verizon version of the iPhone by July 12th when my contract is up, I may very well switch to a Nexus One or Droid.
It is sure going to be tempting.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878318</id>
	<title>Re:Sigh</title>
	<author>teg</author>
	<datestamp>1264349220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>
So why didn't you wait till next week to publish a verified fact?
</i> </p><ol>
<li>Normally, if you do it this way you get to post both the rumour and the story. This increases pageviews, comments and revenue...</li><li>In this case, chances are small for this happening. Thus, you wouldn't get to post anything at all. </li></ol></htmltext>
<tokenext>So why did n't you wait till next week to publish a verified fact ?
Normally , if you do it this way you get to post both the rumour and the story .
This increases pageviews , comments and revenue...In this case , chances are small for this happening .
Thus , you would n't get to post anything at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> 
So why didn't you wait till next week to publish a verified fact?
Normally, if you do it this way you get to post both the rumour and the story.
This increases pageviews, comments and revenue...In this case, chances are small for this happening.
Thus, you wouldn't get to post anything at all. </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878086</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878028</id>
	<title>next?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264346640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if this goes through i really hope germany will be freed from t-immobile next..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if this goes through i really hope germany will be freed from t-immobile next. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if this goes through i really hope germany will be freed from t-immobile next..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30880222</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares? Makes no sence at all!!</title>
	<author>pablo\_max</author>
	<datestamp>1264360680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>....The iPhone itself doesn't really handle the switch from 3G to EDGE very gracefully, so calls that are in-progress tend to fail whenever 3G connections aren't optimal and the phone attempts to step down to EDGE..</p><p>Seriously, this makes no sense at all.</p><p>Your voice connection is not over IP, thus EDGE has nothing to go with it. InterRat handovers (3G - 2G) are not an easy thing to do. All phones implement this in more or less the same way. That way would be what the core spec says!</p><p>EDGE is only for data. Just like GPRS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>....The iPhone itself does n't really handle the switch from 3G to EDGE very gracefully , so calls that are in-progress tend to fail whenever 3G connections are n't optimal and the phone attempts to step down to EDGE..Seriously , this makes no sense at all.Your voice connection is not over IP , thus EDGE has nothing to go with it .
InterRat handovers ( 3G - 2G ) are not an easy thing to do .
All phones implement this in more or less the same way .
That way would be what the core spec says ! EDGE is only for data .
Just like GPRS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>....The iPhone itself doesn't really handle the switch from 3G to EDGE very gracefully, so calls that are in-progress tend to fail whenever 3G connections aren't optimal and the phone attempts to step down to EDGE..Seriously, this makes no sense at all.Your voice connection is not over IP, thus EDGE has nothing to go with it.
InterRat handovers (3G - 2G) are not an easy thing to do.
All phones implement this in more or less the same way.
That way would be what the core spec says!EDGE is only for data.
Just like GPRS.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878122</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878018</id>
	<title>AT&amp;T Sucks</title>
	<author>Derpnooner</author>
	<datestamp>1264346640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Howdy,

I worked with AT&amp;T/Cingular right at the release and that is when "it" happened.  From what I was told, AT&amp;T reduced the range of their network to make data transmission more "reliable" for the iPhone, and in so doing, they pissed off a number of end users.  We had so many complaints from people about their service no longer working in their homes, work, etc.  I was there for the switch to 3G in OH and though the service is fast, the batteries don't last (heh); my phone(s) would be dead with very limited surfing.  Oh well, maybe AT&amp;T will rebrand again - back to Cingular and become completely Open Source... and monkeys might flight out of my butt.  Bye iPhone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Howdy , I worked with AT&amp;T/Cingular right at the release and that is when " it " happened .
From what I was told , AT&amp;T reduced the range of their network to make data transmission more " reliable " for the iPhone , and in so doing , they pissed off a number of end users .
We had so many complaints from people about their service no longer working in their homes , work , etc .
I was there for the switch to 3G in OH and though the service is fast , the batteries do n't last ( heh ) ; my phone ( s ) would be dead with very limited surfing .
Oh well , maybe AT&amp;T will rebrand again - back to Cingular and become completely Open Source... and monkeys might flight out of my butt .
Bye iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Howdy,

I worked with AT&amp;T/Cingular right at the release and that is when "it" happened.
From what I was told, AT&amp;T reduced the range of their network to make data transmission more "reliable" for the iPhone, and in so doing, they pissed off a number of end users.
We had so many complaints from people about their service no longer working in their homes, work, etc.
I was there for the switch to 3G in OH and though the service is fast, the batteries don't last (heh); my phone(s) would be dead with very limited surfing.
Oh well, maybe AT&amp;T will rebrand again - back to Cingular and become completely Open Source... and monkeys might flight out of my butt.
Bye iPhone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30879054</id>
	<title>Re:3G on T-Mobile?</title>
	<author>qwertyatwork</author>
	<datestamp>1264354200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have an iPhone with t-mobile and no 3g doesn't work.  Different radio frequencies.  PLEASE someone prove I'm wrong show me how I can get 3g working on my iPhone<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an iPhone with t-mobile and no 3g does n't work .
Different radio frequencies .
PLEASE someone prove I 'm wrong show me how I can get 3g working on my iPhone : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an iPhone with t-mobile and no 3g doesn't work.
Different radio frequencies.
PLEASE someone prove I'm wrong show me how I can get 3g working on my iPhone :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878276</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878256</id>
	<title>Re:Shiny overrode Technical</title>
	<author>Ibag</author>
	<datestamp>1264348740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, if we're going based on anecdotal evidence, I've been an AT&amp;T customer since they merged with Cingular, and while I can't remember how the network was when I was living in New England, since I moved to Chicago, I haven't had a call over 20 minutes that didn't get dropped at least once.  I don't have an iPhone, just a regular non-smartphone, so it's not just NY and it's not just iPhones.</p><p>(as for why I am still a customer when they suck so hard if I don't have an iPhone, a family member gets a discounted family plan through work, and everybody else in the family has an iPhone, but I would change carriers if there were not extenuating circumstances.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , if we 're going based on anecdotal evidence , I 've been an AT&amp;T customer since they merged with Cingular , and while I ca n't remember how the network was when I was living in New England , since I moved to Chicago , I have n't had a call over 20 minutes that did n't get dropped at least once .
I do n't have an iPhone , just a regular non-smartphone , so it 's not just NY and it 's not just iPhones .
( as for why I am still a customer when they suck so hard if I do n't have an iPhone , a family member gets a discounted family plan through work , and everybody else in the family has an iPhone , but I would change carriers if there were not extenuating circumstances .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, if we're going based on anecdotal evidence, I've been an AT&amp;T customer since they merged with Cingular, and while I can't remember how the network was when I was living in New England, since I moved to Chicago, I haven't had a call over 20 minutes that didn't get dropped at least once.
I don't have an iPhone, just a regular non-smartphone, so it's not just NY and it's not just iPhones.
(as for why I am still a customer when they suck so hard if I don't have an iPhone, a family member gets a discounted family plan through work, and everybody else in the family has an iPhone, but I would change carriers if there were not extenuating circumstances.
)</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878448</id>
	<title>You know what would really be worthwhile?</title>
	<author>Rexdude</author>
	<datestamp>1264350480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple should start selling iPhones optionally unlocked, at a higher price if need be. People will STILL queue up to buy it, that's how popular it has become. Those who may have shunned it because of AT&amp;T and who also couldn't be bothered with the jailbreak hassles would return to buy it.<br>And they have no hope in hell of significantly penetrating other more open markets(like mine, India where we've long since been accustomed to buying our phones at full price independent of any operator restrictions) unless they do so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple should start selling iPhones optionally unlocked , at a higher price if need be .
People will STILL queue up to buy it , that 's how popular it has become .
Those who may have shunned it because of AT&amp;T and who also could n't be bothered with the jailbreak hassles would return to buy it.And they have no hope in hell of significantly penetrating other more open markets ( like mine , India where we 've long since been accustomed to buying our phones at full price independent of any operator restrictions ) unless they do so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple should start selling iPhones optionally unlocked, at a higher price if need be.
People will STILL queue up to buy it, that's how popular it has become.
Those who may have shunned it because of AT&amp;T and who also couldn't be bothered with the jailbreak hassles would return to buy it.And they have no hope in hell of significantly penetrating other more open markets(like mine, India where we've long since been accustomed to buying our phones at full price independent of any operator restrictions) unless they do so.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30894860</id>
	<title>Non-News unless CDMA</title>
	<author>NateTech</author>
	<datestamp>1264410420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So this is non-news in the U.S., because GSM = AT&amp;T and T-Mobile. T-Mobile isn't good enough to handle an onslaught of iPhone users.</p><p>Unless there's a CDMA chipset/RF section version of the iPhone in the works.  That would get Verizon, Sprint, and others into the fray.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So this is non-news in the U.S. , because GSM = AT&amp;T and T-Mobile .
T-Mobile is n't good enough to handle an onslaught of iPhone users.Unless there 's a CDMA chipset/RF section version of the iPhone in the works .
That would get Verizon , Sprint , and others into the fray .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So this is non-news in the U.S., because GSM = AT&amp;T and T-Mobile.
T-Mobile isn't good enough to handle an onslaught of iPhone users.Unless there's a CDMA chipset/RF section version of the iPhone in the works.
That would get Verizon, Sprint, and others into the fray.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30889284</id>
	<title>Re:Sigh</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1264432200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because he's got investments in verizon and when the truth comes out then his little rumor would do nothing at all to boost the stock price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because he 's got investments in verizon and when the truth comes out then his little rumor would do nothing at all to boost the stock price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because he's got investments in verizon and when the truth comes out then his little rumor would do nothing at all to boost the stock price.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878086</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878246</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264348620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>troll troll troll troll</htmltext>
<tokenext>troll troll troll troll</tokentext>
<sentencetext>troll troll troll troll</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30877950</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878642</id>
	<title>try finding iphone on att site</title>
	<author>purpleraison</author>
	<datestamp>1264351740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My contract is set to renew, and I wanted to get a new iphone 3gs, and the ATT site doesn't even offer the iphone as an option.</p><p>I suspect that not only did they lose exclusivity, they may not even be worthy of distributing iphones anymore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My contract is set to renew , and I wanted to get a new iphone 3gs , and the ATT site does n't even offer the iphone as an option.I suspect that not only did they lose exclusivity , they may not even be worthy of distributing iphones anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My contract is set to renew, and I wanted to get a new iphone 3gs, and the ATT site doesn't even offer the iphone as an option.I suspect that not only did they lose exclusivity, they may not even be worthy of distributing iphones anymore.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30949964</id>
	<title>Re:Verizon iPhone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264783140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course your reception is terrible in New Hampshire (esp Northern New Hampshire) there are very few GSM towers and those that were there, were bought out by Verizon when they picked up Unicel a couple years ago, and have since been shut down.</p><p>New Hampshire is a hard place for Cell Service due to the topology at any rate, plus most of the land is owned by the government outside of the cites, and are declared protected. So you cant slap a Cell tower on top of a mountain in the Mount Washington Valley for instance. Even Verizon/US Cellular (The main two for New Hampshire) have a hard time maintaining coverage everywhere. Its a shame that the REAL coverage maps (not the ones they have on the websites) aren't publicly available, because then you would see the big picture.</p><p>its even worse with GSM carriers once you get out of southern New Hampsire, its shoddy at best. You may have to start looking at a CDMA carrier so it can serve you better, iPhone or not..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course your reception is terrible in New Hampshire ( esp Northern New Hampshire ) there are very few GSM towers and those that were there , were bought out by Verizon when they picked up Unicel a couple years ago , and have since been shut down.New Hampshire is a hard place for Cell Service due to the topology at any rate , plus most of the land is owned by the government outside of the cites , and are declared protected .
So you cant slap a Cell tower on top of a mountain in the Mount Washington Valley for instance .
Even Verizon/US Cellular ( The main two for New Hampshire ) have a hard time maintaining coverage everywhere .
Its a shame that the REAL coverage maps ( not the ones they have on the websites ) are n't publicly available , because then you would see the big picture.its even worse with GSM carriers once you get out of southern New Hampsire , its shoddy at best .
You may have to start looking at a CDMA carrier so it can serve you better , iPhone or not. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course your reception is terrible in New Hampshire (esp Northern New Hampshire) there are very few GSM towers and those that were there, were bought out by Verizon when they picked up Unicel a couple years ago, and have since been shut down.New Hampshire is a hard place for Cell Service due to the topology at any rate, plus most of the land is owned by the government outside of the cites, and are declared protected.
So you cant slap a Cell tower on top of a mountain in the Mount Washington Valley for instance.
Even Verizon/US Cellular (The main two for New Hampshire) have a hard time maintaining coverage everywhere.
Its a shame that the REAL coverage maps (not the ones they have on the websites) aren't publicly available, because then you would see the big picture.its even worse with GSM carriers once you get out of southern New Hampsire, its shoddy at best.
You may have to start looking at a CDMA carrier so it can serve you better, iPhone or not..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878014</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30883332</id>
	<title>AT&amp;T was not good even before the iPhone</title>
	<author>kevmeister</author>
	<datestamp>1264335180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hmm. I just checked on the rating of AT&amp;T (then Cingular) wireless in Consumer Reports surveys from prior to the introduction of the iPhone. It sucked then and it sucks now. And the old AT&amp;T Wireless was worse. (It actually used TDMA!)<p>

But pointing the finger at others was traditional at Ma Bell in the old days and it has not changed.
In my years in radio and networking prior to the AT&amp;T breakup, no outage was EVER their fault.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm .
I just checked on the rating of AT&amp;T ( then Cingular ) wireless in Consumer Reports surveys from prior to the introduction of the iPhone .
It sucked then and it sucks now .
And the old AT&amp;T Wireless was worse .
( It actually used TDMA !
) But pointing the finger at others was traditional at Ma Bell in the old days and it has not changed .
In my years in radio and networking prior to the AT&amp;T breakup , no outage was EVER their fault .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm.
I just checked on the rating of AT&amp;T (then Cingular) wireless in Consumer Reports surveys from prior to the introduction of the iPhone.
It sucked then and it sucks now.
And the old AT&amp;T Wireless was worse.
(It actually used TDMA!
)

But pointing the finger at others was traditional at Ma Bell in the old days and it has not changed.
In my years in radio and networking prior to the AT&amp;T breakup, no outage was EVER their fault.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.31018612</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1264956060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Android has limited multitasking that isn't terribly intuitive to use</i></p><p>You don't "use" multitasking on Android at all; it's completely transparent to the user, since all activities can be fully stopped and resumed.</p><p><i>Yet all I hear on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. is "iPhone, Android, iPhone, Android" ALL FRACKING DAY LONG. It's like WebOS isn't even on your radar,</i></p><p>I tried WebOS and I like neither the hardware, nor the software, nor the programming model.  In addition, it looks to me like the company is going to die.  Why would I care about WebOS?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Android has limited multitasking that is n't terribly intuitive to useYou do n't " use " multitasking on Android at all ; it 's completely transparent to the user , since all activities can be fully stopped and resumed.Yet all I hear on / .
is " iPhone , Android , iPhone , Android " ALL FRACKING DAY LONG .
It 's like WebOS is n't even on your radar,I tried WebOS and I like neither the hardware , nor the software , nor the programming model .
In addition , it looks to me like the company is going to die .
Why would I care about WebOS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Android has limited multitasking that isn't terribly intuitive to useYou don't "use" multitasking on Android at all; it's completely transparent to the user, since all activities can be fully stopped and resumed.Yet all I hear on /.
is "iPhone, Android, iPhone, Android" ALL FRACKING DAY LONG.
It's like WebOS isn't even on your radar,I tried WebOS and I like neither the hardware, nor the software, nor the programming model.
In addition, it looks to me like the company is going to die.
Why would I care about WebOS?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30879828</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878380</id>
	<title>re: doesn't handle the switch from 3G to EDGE</title>
	<author>Mr Stubby</author>
	<datestamp>1264349940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I believe Telstra in Australia has both 3G and EDGE or something very similar and i've never had a dropped call on any of my 3 different gen iphones.. (granted the first went from edge to 2g but still). I dont think its an iphone specific problem and i think Telstra coverage (which is nigh on perfect) here might be just a tad better than AT&amp;T from what i've read on the intertoobs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe Telstra in Australia has both 3G and EDGE or something very similar and i 've never had a dropped call on any of my 3 different gen iphones.. ( granted the first went from edge to 2g but still ) .
I dont think its an iphone specific problem and i think Telstra coverage ( which is nigh on perfect ) here might be just a tad better than AT&amp;T from what i 've read on the intertoobs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe Telstra in Australia has both 3G and EDGE or something very similar and i've never had a dropped call on any of my 3 different gen iphones.. (granted the first went from edge to 2g but still).
I dont think its an iphone specific problem and i think Telstra coverage (which is nigh on perfect) here might be just a tad better than AT&amp;T from what i've read on the intertoobs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30879594</id>
	<title>Re:ATT vs Verizon in NYC (ATT rocks for data)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264357620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do you put company in quotes? Are you suggesting that it is not really a company?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do you put company in quotes ?
Are you suggesting that it is not really a company ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do you put company in quotes?
Are you suggesting that it is not really a company?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30881872</id>
	<title>Re:AT&amp;T is awful in Central NH</title>
	<author>raddan</author>
	<datestamp>1264326060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ha, I was in the ER in CAMBRIDGE, MA a couple weeks ago (don't drink and wrestle with friends, kids), and I had zero AT&amp;T signal there as well.  Cambridge might as well be Boston, so even in Boston, they're not so hot.  Although I've noticed that I get AT&amp;T in a few subway tunnels now.  New Yorkers snidely tell me that they've been able to do this for ages.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ha , I was in the ER in CAMBRIDGE , MA a couple weeks ago ( do n't drink and wrestle with friends , kids ) , and I had zero AT&amp;T signal there as well .
Cambridge might as well be Boston , so even in Boston , they 're not so hot .
Although I 've noticed that I get AT&amp;T in a few subway tunnels now .
New Yorkers snidely tell me that they 've been able to do this for ages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ha, I was in the ER in CAMBRIDGE, MA a couple weeks ago (don't drink and wrestle with friends, kids), and I had zero AT&amp;T signal there as well.
Cambridge might as well be Boston, so even in Boston, they're not so hot.
Although I've noticed that I get AT&amp;T in a few subway tunnels now.
New Yorkers snidely tell me that they've been able to do this for ages.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30877944</id>
	<title>I get the</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264345920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>first post?</htmltext>
<tokenext>first post ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>first post?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30880054</id>
	<title>Standard Apple Rumor Complaint</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1264360020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, I'm not even sure this counts as a rumor. I mean jeez, somebody's speculation about what somebody else didn't say?</p><p>Why is it that "we have been led to believe by an inside source" gets the same kind of headline for Apple as hard news about any other company? Rhetorical question: we all know it's because of the fanboy culture that surrounds all things Apple.</p><p>Apple has its good points (and its bad ones), but this endless "What did Bradgalina have for breakfast" tone really gets old.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I 'm not even sure this counts as a rumor .
I mean jeez , somebody 's speculation about what somebody else did n't say ? Why is it that " we have been led to believe by an inside source " gets the same kind of headline for Apple as hard news about any other company ?
Rhetorical question : we all know it 's because of the fanboy culture that surrounds all things Apple.Apple has its good points ( and its bad ones ) , but this endless " What did Bradgalina have for breakfast " tone really gets old .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I'm not even sure this counts as a rumor.
I mean jeez, somebody's speculation about what somebody else didn't say?Why is it that "we have been led to believe by an inside source" gets the same kind of headline for Apple as hard news about any other company?
Rhetorical question: we all know it's because of the fanboy culture that surrounds all things Apple.Apple has its good points (and its bad ones), but this endless "What did Bradgalina have for breakfast" tone really gets old.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878316</id>
	<title>Re:ATT vs Verizon in NYC (ATT rocks for data)</title>
	<author>dammy</author>
	<datestamp>1264349220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll probably stay on my crackberry with Verizon, but I'd never go back to AT&amp;T (was Cingular).  Coverage for voice is superior with Verizon and that is far more critical on how fast I get weather.com site pulled up. iPhone is tempting, but only if I stay away from AT&amp;T.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll probably stay on my crackberry with Verizon , but I 'd never go back to AT&amp;T ( was Cingular ) .
Coverage for voice is superior with Verizon and that is far more critical on how fast I get weather.com site pulled up .
iPhone is tempting , but only if I stay away from AT&amp;T .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll probably stay on my crackberry with Verizon, but I'd never go back to AT&amp;T (was Cingular).
Coverage for voice is superior with Verizon and that is far more critical on how fast I get weather.com site pulled up.
iPhone is tempting, but only if I stay away from AT&amp;T.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30881286</id>
	<title>Re:Verified</title>
	<author>jaysones</author>
	<datestamp>1264366020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why would AT&amp;T notify individual resellers that they're losing exclusivity in advance? Seems like something like this would almost certainly be kept secret at the highest levels of corporate management. Why would a reseller need to know this in advance? The only potential reason I can think of is stock level management (so they wouldn't order a bunch of iPhones that they won't sell) but that seems like a pretty tenuous reason to me. Also, I doubt Verizon will start selling them within (say) a week. If true, it would probably start with a new model release in the traditional summer timeframe. Sorry to be a doubting Thomas but I don't believe ATT corporate would notify resellers about this before an official announcement is made.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would AT&amp;T notify individual resellers that they 're losing exclusivity in advance ?
Seems like something like this would almost certainly be kept secret at the highest levels of corporate management .
Why would a reseller need to know this in advance ?
The only potential reason I can think of is stock level management ( so they would n't order a bunch of iPhones that they wo n't sell ) but that seems like a pretty tenuous reason to me .
Also , I doubt Verizon will start selling them within ( say ) a week .
If true , it would probably start with a new model release in the traditional summer timeframe .
Sorry to be a doubting Thomas but I do n't believe ATT corporate would notify resellers about this before an official announcement is made .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would AT&amp;T notify individual resellers that they're losing exclusivity in advance?
Seems like something like this would almost certainly be kept secret at the highest levels of corporate management.
Why would a reseller need to know this in advance?
The only potential reason I can think of is stock level management (so they wouldn't order a bunch of iPhones that they won't sell) but that seems like a pretty tenuous reason to me.
Also, I doubt Verizon will start selling them within (say) a week.
If true, it would probably start with a new model release in the traditional summer timeframe.
Sorry to be a doubting Thomas but I don't believe ATT corporate would notify resellers about this before an official announcement is made.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30879828</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>d3ac0n</author>
	<datestamp>1264358940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WebOS phones  (Pre, Pre +, Pixi, Pixi +)  are <b>designed around</b> multitasking.</p><p>My Sprint Pre can run around 10 apps simultaneously without batting an eye.  It starts to slow as I hit the 11th app and maxes out at around 13 apps.</p><p>The new Pre Plus (Verizon) has more RAM and can handle about 50 apps max, around 30 - 40 smoothly.</p><p>Android has limited multitasking that isn't terribly intuitive to use, and even the iPhone3Gs can only multitask with Apple apps.</p><p>Personally I just don't get the sudden obsession among<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. readers with the Android.  It's really not THAT good of a phone OS.  It's doesn't have full multitasking, there are MASSIVE versioning problems with it  (HOW many different iterations of the OS are out there now?  10?  MORE?) and it's generally difficult to develop for.  About the only things it has going for it are that it has been put into some nice handsets, and it's semi-open source.</p><p>WebOS is head and shoulders better than Android.  It multitasks better, has more core features, is easier to develop for, and is smoother and easier to use, even on the 1.0 handsets with less RAM.</p><p>Yet all I hear on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. is "iPhone, Android, iPhone, Android" ALL FRACKING DAY LONG.  It's like WebOS isn't even on your radar, despite being better in almost every conceivable way to BOTH the Android OS and the iPhone OS.</p><p>I just don't get it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WebOS phones ( Pre , Pre + , Pixi , Pixi + ) are designed around multitasking.My Sprint Pre can run around 10 apps simultaneously without batting an eye .
It starts to slow as I hit the 11th app and maxes out at around 13 apps.The new Pre Plus ( Verizon ) has more RAM and can handle about 50 apps max , around 30 - 40 smoothly.Android has limited multitasking that is n't terribly intuitive to use , and even the iPhone3Gs can only multitask with Apple apps.Personally I just do n't get the sudden obsession among / .
readers with the Android .
It 's really not THAT good of a phone OS .
It 's does n't have full multitasking , there are MASSIVE versioning problems with it ( HOW many different iterations of the OS are out there now ?
10 ? MORE ?
) and it 's generally difficult to develop for .
About the only things it has going for it are that it has been put into some nice handsets , and it 's semi-open source.WebOS is head and shoulders better than Android .
It multitasks better , has more core features , is easier to develop for , and is smoother and easier to use , even on the 1.0 handsets with less RAM.Yet all I hear on / .
is " iPhone , Android , iPhone , Android " ALL FRACKING DAY LONG .
It 's like WebOS is n't even on your radar , despite being better in almost every conceivable way to BOTH the Android OS and the iPhone OS.I just do n't get it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WebOS phones  (Pre, Pre +, Pixi, Pixi +)  are designed around multitasking.My Sprint Pre can run around 10 apps simultaneously without batting an eye.
It starts to slow as I hit the 11th app and maxes out at around 13 apps.The new Pre Plus (Verizon) has more RAM and can handle about 50 apps max, around 30 - 40 smoothly.Android has limited multitasking that isn't terribly intuitive to use, and even the iPhone3Gs can only multitask with Apple apps.Personally I just don't get the sudden obsession among /.
readers with the Android.
It's really not THAT good of a phone OS.
It's doesn't have full multitasking, there are MASSIVE versioning problems with it  (HOW many different iterations of the OS are out there now?
10?  MORE?
) and it's generally difficult to develop for.
About the only things it has going for it are that it has been put into some nice handsets, and it's semi-open source.WebOS is head and shoulders better than Android.
It multitasks better, has more core features, is easier to develop for, and is smoother and easier to use, even on the 1.0 handsets with less RAM.Yet all I hear on /.
is "iPhone, Android, iPhone, Android" ALL FRACKING DAY LONG.
It's like WebOS isn't even on your radar, despite being better in almost every conceivable way to BOTH the Android OS and the iPhone OS.I just don't get it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878278</id>
	<title>the big scams over</title>
	<author>CHRONOSS2008</author>
	<datestamp>1264348920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>now that you bought one your what SCREWED when they drop the iPhone</p><p>haha suckers all this tech they gloat over and they cant even get it to work</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>now that you bought one your what SCREWED when they drop the iPhonehaha suckers all this tech they gloat over and they cant even get it to work</tokentext>
<sentencetext>now that you bought one your what SCREWED when they drop the iPhonehaha suckers all this tech they gloat over and they cant even get it to work</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878884</id>
	<title>What's to see?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264353180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"you may notice that you haven't seen AT&amp;T fighting to extend their original exclusive agreement..."</p><p>When did we EVER see AT&amp;T fighting to have or to keep the iPhone?</p><p>"We don't remember hearing about AT&amp;T's "horrible network" before the iPhone--do you?"</p><p>YES, I do. AT&amp;T uses the world standard GSM technology. GSM was rolled out much more slowly and less uniformly in the USA than was Verizon's CDMA. However, for years, both Verizon's and AT&amp;T's networks used to suck. In January 2007, when the iPhone was introduced, people were already complaining about AT&amp;T. And if the shoe had been on the other foot, they would have been complaining about Verizon instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" you may notice that you have n't seen AT&amp;T fighting to extend their original exclusive agreement... " When did we EVER see AT&amp;T fighting to have or to keep the iPhone ?
" We do n't remember hearing about AT&amp;T 's " horrible network " before the iPhone--do you ?
" YES , I do .
AT&amp;T uses the world standard GSM technology .
GSM was rolled out much more slowly and less uniformly in the USA than was Verizon 's CDMA .
However , for years , both Verizon 's and AT&amp;T 's networks used to suck .
In January 2007 , when the iPhone was introduced , people were already complaining about AT&amp;T .
And if the shoe had been on the other foot , they would have been complaining about Verizon instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"you may notice that you haven't seen AT&amp;T fighting to extend their original exclusive agreement..."When did we EVER see AT&amp;T fighting to have or to keep the iPhone?
"We don't remember hearing about AT&amp;T's "horrible network" before the iPhone--do you?
"YES, I do.
AT&amp;T uses the world standard GSM technology.
GSM was rolled out much more slowly and less uniformly in the USA than was Verizon's CDMA.
However, for years, both Verizon's and AT&amp;T's networks used to suck.
In January 2007, when the iPhone was introduced, people were already complaining about AT&amp;T.
And if the shoe had been on the other foot, they would have been complaining about Verizon instead.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878118</id>
	<title>Should benefit the users</title>
	<author>SKJDot</author>
	<datestamp>1264347420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's high time Apple did that. AT&amp;T does not have the bandwidth to support the pretty significant data needs of iPhone users. iPhone demography is still somewhat different from BlackBerry's(though, it's changing over the past few months), and IMHO the data requirements of that demography is much higher than the typical corporate user. This should benefit all(ok, may be not)</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's high time Apple did that .
AT&amp;T does not have the bandwidth to support the pretty significant data needs of iPhone users .
iPhone demography is still somewhat different from BlackBerry 's ( though , it 's changing over the past few months ) , and IMHO the data requirements of that demography is much higher than the typical corporate user .
This should benefit all ( ok , may be not )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's high time Apple did that.
AT&amp;T does not have the bandwidth to support the pretty significant data needs of iPhone users.
iPhone demography is still somewhat different from BlackBerry's(though, it's changing over the past few months), and IMHO the data requirements of that demography is much higher than the typical corporate user.
This should benefit all(ok, may be not)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30879052</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264354200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <b>Man you are dumb.</b> </p><p>For one the market share for iPhones is still much much larger <b>then</b> all the Android based phones out there</p> </div><p>Do irony much?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Man you are dumb .
For one the market share for iPhones is still much much larger then all the Android based phones out there Do irony much ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Man you are dumb.
For one the market share for iPhones is still much much larger then all the Android based phones out there Do irony much?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30880894</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1264363740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>For one the market share for iPhones is still much much larger then all the Android based phones out there. It is second only to RIM Blackberries.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Android is still second fiddle... </i></p><p>And RIM is second only to Motorola.</p><p>And Motorola are second to only a few companies like LG and Samsung.</p><p>And all of them, well they're second only to Nokia.</p><p>So yeah, Apple are only second place, second after almost everyone else in the market. But they are ahead of Google at least.</p><p><i>Right now the iPhone is still the winner</i></p><p>*splutter*</p><p>Do you seriously believe the mobile phone market consists of just RIM, Apple and Google? I'd assume this was a joke, except I repeatedly see posters under this delusion here - this used to be a place for geeks, now it's overrun by people who have less clue about the tech market than ever a random person on the street.</p><p><i>however you have to be an idiot</i></p><p>Quoted for the irony. Now go up and read some factual market share data on phones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For one the market share for iPhones is still much much larger then all the Android based phones out there .
It is second only to RIM Blackberries .
... Android is still second fiddle... And RIM is second only to Motorola.And Motorola are second to only a few companies like LG and Samsung.And all of them , well they 're second only to Nokia.So yeah , Apple are only second place , second after almost everyone else in the market .
But they are ahead of Google at least.Right now the iPhone is still the winner * splutter * Do you seriously believe the mobile phone market consists of just RIM , Apple and Google ?
I 'd assume this was a joke , except I repeatedly see posters under this delusion here - this used to be a place for geeks , now it 's overrun by people who have less clue about the tech market than ever a random person on the street.however you have to be an idiotQuoted for the irony .
Now go up and read some factual market share data on phones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For one the market share for iPhones is still much much larger then all the Android based phones out there.
It is second only to RIM Blackberries.
... Android is still second fiddle... And RIM is second only to Motorola.And Motorola are second to only a few companies like LG and Samsung.And all of them, well they're second only to Nokia.So yeah, Apple are only second place, second after almost everyone else in the market.
But they are ahead of Google at least.Right now the iPhone is still the winner*splutter*Do you seriously believe the mobile phone market consists of just RIM, Apple and Google?
I'd assume this was a joke, except I repeatedly see posters under this delusion here - this used to be a place for geeks, now it's overrun by people who have less clue about the tech market than ever a random person on the street.however you have to be an idiotQuoted for the irony.
Now go up and read some factual market share data on phones.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30879206</id>
	<title>Crippled?</title>
	<author>beaulen</author>
	<datestamp>1264354980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had a Motorola phone on Verizon that was crippled when compared to the same phone on other networks.  It couldn't play non-Verizon mp3s unless you hacked it, it could use non-Verizon ring tones unless you hacked it, wouldn't sync contacts unless you hacked it.  I hate to think what they'd do to the iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a Motorola phone on Verizon that was crippled when compared to the same phone on other networks .
It could n't play non-Verizon mp3s unless you hacked it , it could use non-Verizon ring tones unless you hacked it , would n't sync contacts unless you hacked it .
I hate to think what they 'd do to the iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a Motorola phone on Verizon that was crippled when compared to the same phone on other networks.
It couldn't play non-Verizon mp3s unless you hacked it, it could use non-Verizon ring tones unless you hacked it, wouldn't sync contacts unless you hacked it.
I hate to think what they'd do to the iPhone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878446</id>
	<title>Re:Verified</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264350480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My dog shagged a dog whose owner works for AT&amp;T.  They also confirmed this.  (Just as reliable, eh.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My dog shagged a dog whose owner works for AT&amp;T .
They also confirmed this .
( Just as reliable , eh .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My dog shagged a dog whose owner works for AT&amp;T.
They also confirmed this.
(Just as reliable, eh.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30882196</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264328040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"For one the market share for iPhones is still much much larger then all the Android based phones out there."</p><p>So just like Android phones, you can get iPhones on every carrier in the US then? FAIL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" For one the market share for iPhones is still much much larger then all the Android based phones out there .
" So just like Android phones , you can get iPhones on every carrier in the US then ?
FAIL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"For one the market share for iPhones is still much much larger then all the Android based phones out there.
"So just like Android phones, you can get iPhones on every carrier in the US then?
FAIL.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30880482</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>AmberBlackCat</author>
	<datestamp>1264361880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Would there have been an Android phone if there wasn't an iPhone?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would there have been an Android phone if there was n't an iPhone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would there have been an Android phone if there wasn't an iPhone?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878290</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264349040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Admittedly, it is easier to design a simple fluid interface when you can only run one application at a time. It removes one level of complication that most of the other smartphones need to deal with.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Admittedly , it is easier to design a simple fluid interface when you can only run one application at a time .
It removes one level of complication that most of the other smartphones need to deal with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Admittedly, it is easier to design a simple fluid interface when you can only run one application at a time.
It removes one level of complication that most of the other smartphones need to deal with.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30891346</id>
	<title>Re:Droid vs iPhone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264439640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have found that high end Motorola phones have always had good audio and signal retention. My Hero that replaced my Moto Q is the shits for signal. I'm a truck driver and the Hero loses signal long before my Q ever did at the edges of coverage. I'm in northern British Columbia Canada so that means 2 feet out of any town.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have found that high end Motorola phones have always had good audio and signal retention .
My Hero that replaced my Moto Q is the shits for signal .
I 'm a truck driver and the Hero loses signal long before my Q ever did at the edges of coverage .
I 'm in northern British Columbia Canada so that means 2 feet out of any town .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have found that high end Motorola phones have always had good audio and signal retention.
My Hero that replaced my Moto Q is the shits for signal.
I'm a truck driver and the Hero loses signal long before my Q ever did at the edges of coverage.
I'm in northern British Columbia Canada so that means 2 feet out of any town.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878222</id>
	<title>Re:Shiny overrode Technical</title>
	<author>spydabyte</author>
	<datestamp>1264348380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're absolutely correct when talking about management versus engineering. Management wins, and so does shiny. Just look at the Nexus One. It's THE Google phone, but you get terrible customer support.

But besides that, your concept of reality is skewed.<p><div class="quote"><p>I've been a customer of AT&amp;T since the "AT&amp;T wireless" days (pre AT&amp;T, pre "cingular", etc.) and I can count the number of dropped calls on one hand. I currently have an original iPhone, jailbroken/unlocked, on a very old AT&amp;T Wireless account. $30/month for a regional plan = awesome (as is having one device to surf the web where I can get Wifi, play games, listen to music, and make phone calls.)</p> </div><p>Your wireless account has nothing to do with network quality. Secondly, you have illegally voided your contract, ruling you out from any legitimate apples to apples comparison.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Living in New England, I also haven't heard many complaints from 3G iPhone users. Seems to be mostly NYC where people are screaming (yes kids, NY and NYC are not "New England.")</p></div><p>So you're saying that between New England and NYC, your user report has been that more people that you have seen have been complaining in NYC than New England. Again, not a great statistical analysis which networks truly need.

I've personally had issues between the 3G and EDGE call drops, often getting 5 calls a day dropped in Atlanta, GA. Leaving it on EDGE mode, I waited a year until I was in San Jose, CA. There I replaced my iPhone (even after my warranty expired, no strings attached) and haven't had issues with 3G since.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're absolutely correct when talking about management versus engineering .
Management wins , and so does shiny .
Just look at the Nexus One .
It 's THE Google phone , but you get terrible customer support .
But besides that , your concept of reality is skewed.I 've been a customer of AT&amp;T since the " AT&amp;T wireless " days ( pre AT&amp;T , pre " cingular " , etc .
) and I can count the number of dropped calls on one hand .
I currently have an original iPhone , jailbroken/unlocked , on a very old AT&amp;T Wireless account .
$ 30/month for a regional plan = awesome ( as is having one device to surf the web where I can get Wifi , play games , listen to music , and make phone calls .
) Your wireless account has nothing to do with network quality .
Secondly , you have illegally voided your contract , ruling you out from any legitimate apples to apples comparison.Living in New England , I also have n't heard many complaints from 3G iPhone users .
Seems to be mostly NYC where people are screaming ( yes kids , NY and NYC are not " New England .
" ) So you 're saying that between New England and NYC , your user report has been that more people that you have seen have been complaining in NYC than New England .
Again , not a great statistical analysis which networks truly need .
I 've personally had issues between the 3G and EDGE call drops , often getting 5 calls a day dropped in Atlanta , GA. Leaving it on EDGE mode , I waited a year until I was in San Jose , CA .
There I replaced my iPhone ( even after my warranty expired , no strings attached ) and have n't had issues with 3G since .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're absolutely correct when talking about management versus engineering.
Management wins, and so does shiny.
Just look at the Nexus One.
It's THE Google phone, but you get terrible customer support.
But besides that, your concept of reality is skewed.I've been a customer of AT&amp;T since the "AT&amp;T wireless" days (pre AT&amp;T, pre "cingular", etc.
) and I can count the number of dropped calls on one hand.
I currently have an original iPhone, jailbroken/unlocked, on a very old AT&amp;T Wireless account.
$30/month for a regional plan = awesome (as is having one device to surf the web where I can get Wifi, play games, listen to music, and make phone calls.
) Your wireless account has nothing to do with network quality.
Secondly, you have illegally voided your contract, ruling you out from any legitimate apples to apples comparison.Living in New England, I also haven't heard many complaints from 3G iPhone users.
Seems to be mostly NYC where people are screaming (yes kids, NY and NYC are not "New England.
")So you're saying that between New England and NYC, your user report has been that more people that you have seen have been complaining in NYC than New England.
Again, not a great statistical analysis which networks truly need.
I've personally had issues between the 3G and EDGE call drops, often getting 5 calls a day dropped in Atlanta, GA. Leaving it on EDGE mode, I waited a year until I was in San Jose, CA.
There I replaced my iPhone (even after my warranty expired, no strings attached) and haven't had issues with 3G since.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.31014446</id>
	<title>Re:Verified</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264930440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cue sad "Wah wah wah wah" trumpet sound.  Where does your fiancee work, in the basement with Milton Waddams?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cue sad " Wah wah wah wah " trumpet sound .
Where does your fiancee work , in the basement with Milton Waddams ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cue sad "Wah wah wah wah" trumpet sound.
Where does your fiancee work, in the basement with Milton Waddams?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30883354</id>
	<title>Re:AT&amp;T is awful in Central NH</title>
	<author>aristotle-dude</author>
	<datestamp>1264335300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Uh, yeah. It is pretty universal that GSM phones do not work inside hospitals even in the ER waiting room. They block GSM phones because they are known to cause problems with their equipment. If you have to make a call, step outside and make a call. CDMA phones do still work inside hospitals because they use different air interfaces and frequencies.
<p>
I get signal almost everywhere on my iPhone on Fido but I could not get any signal when I was waiting to get admitted to the ER.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh , yeah .
It is pretty universal that GSM phones do not work inside hospitals even in the ER waiting room .
They block GSM phones because they are known to cause problems with their equipment .
If you have to make a call , step outside and make a call .
CDMA phones do still work inside hospitals because they use different air interfaces and frequencies .
I get signal almost everywhere on my iPhone on Fido but I could not get any signal when I was waiting to get admitted to the ER .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh, yeah.
It is pretty universal that GSM phones do not work inside hospitals even in the ER waiting room.
They block GSM phones because they are known to cause problems with their equipment.
If you have to make a call, step outside and make a call.
CDMA phones do still work inside hospitals because they use different air interfaces and frequencies.
I get signal almost everywhere on my iPhone on Fido but I could not get any signal when I was waiting to get admitted to the ER.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30881338</id>
	<title>Re:Verified</title>
	<author>93 Escort Wagon</author>
	<datestamp>1264366200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My fiance works for an AT&amp;T reseller and just verified that they are losing exclusivity this week.</p></div><p>Ha ha! You had me going... until I saw the word "fiance". This is Slashdot after all!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My fiance works for an AT&amp;T reseller and just verified that they are losing exclusivity this week.Ha ha !
You had me going... until I saw the word " fiance " .
This is Slashdot after all !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My fiance works for an AT&amp;T reseller and just verified that they are losing exclusivity this week.Ha ha!
You had me going... until I saw the word "fiance".
This is Slashdot after all!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30880486</id>
	<title>Credibility</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264361880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh really? At which mall kiosk is your finance a clerk? Did (s)he get this insider info during his/her weekly power lunch with Ralph de la Vega?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh really ?
At which mall kiosk is your finance a clerk ?
Did ( s ) he get this insider info during his/her weekly power lunch with Ralph de la Vega ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh really?
At which mall kiosk is your finance a clerk?
Did (s)he get this insider info during his/her weekly power lunch with Ralph de la Vega?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30881790</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>okmijnuhb</author>
	<datestamp>1264325520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My iPhone is tight, I don't want AT&amp;T to make it loose. <br>
If I lose it I will get another.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My iPhone is tight , I do n't want AT&amp;T to make it loose .
If I lose it I will get another .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My iPhone is tight, I don't want AT&amp;T to make it loose.
If I lose it I will get another.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878100</id>
	<title>Unlocked iPhone....</title>
	<author>yabos</author>
	<datestamp>1264347300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder if it'll finally be possible to get an unlocked iPhone(in USA) without paying $600+ for it now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if it 'll finally be possible to get an unlocked iPhone ( in USA ) without paying $ 600 + for it now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if it'll finally be possible to get an unlocked iPhone(in USA) without paying $600+ for it now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30879308</id>
	<title>Re:AT&amp;T is awful in Central NH</title>
	<author>chrisgeleven</author>
	<datestamp>1264355580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agree, Central NH is awful for AT&amp;T coverage once you get out of the Concord area.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agree , Central NH is awful for AT&amp;T coverage once you get out of the Concord area .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agree, Central NH is awful for AT&amp;T coverage once you get out of the Concord area.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30882658</id>
	<title>Damage to AT&amp;T already done, wider support hel</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1264330500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If AT&amp;T looses iPhone exclusivity it would really hurt them</i></p><p>I disagree.  Actually the loss of exclusivity would help AT&amp;T a lot, as a number of people might well jump ship to other carriers - thus freeing up bandwidth and ending the perception of AT&amp;T as less reliable than other carriers, because the data load would be spread out more equally.</p><p>The damage to AT&amp;T was one of lost opportunity, if they had put everything they had into expansion of network they might have been able to keep on top of growth and not had so many people chomping at the bit to get out.  Nothing they can do about that now, so the best thing for them is to get immediate network relief for the network they have.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If AT&amp;T looses iPhone exclusivity it would really hurt themI disagree .
Actually the loss of exclusivity would help AT&amp;T a lot , as a number of people might well jump ship to other carriers - thus freeing up bandwidth and ending the perception of AT&amp;T as less reliable than other carriers , because the data load would be spread out more equally.The damage to AT&amp;T was one of lost opportunity , if they had put everything they had into expansion of network they might have been able to keep on top of growth and not had so many people chomping at the bit to get out .
Nothing they can do about that now , so the best thing for them is to get immediate network relief for the network they have .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If AT&amp;T looses iPhone exclusivity it would really hurt themI disagree.
Actually the loss of exclusivity would help AT&amp;T a lot, as a number of people might well jump ship to other carriers - thus freeing up bandwidth and ending the perception of AT&amp;T as less reliable than other carriers, because the data load would be spread out more equally.The damage to AT&amp;T was one of lost opportunity, if they had put everything they had into expansion of network they might have been able to keep on top of growth and not had so many people chomping at the bit to get out.
Nothing they can do about that now, so the best thing for them is to get immediate network relief for the network they have.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878248</id>
	<title>Re:Shiny overrode Technical</title>
	<author>Doogie</author>
	<datestamp>1264348680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's nice.</p><p>I also live in "New England" and travel around the region for work. I can't begin to list all the dropped calls I've had in the last week alone, even around the Boston area. There's still huge sections of VT/NH/ME that have zero ATT coverage at all, nevermind 3g. At this point I really don't care who is at fault, I'm just done with the iPhone/ATT.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's nice.I also live in " New England " and travel around the region for work .
I ca n't begin to list all the dropped calls I 've had in the last week alone , even around the Boston area .
There 's still huge sections of VT/NH/ME that have zero ATT coverage at all , nevermind 3g .
At this point I really do n't care who is at fault , I 'm just done with the iPhone/ATT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's nice.I also live in "New England" and travel around the region for work.
I can't begin to list all the dropped calls I've had in the last week alone, even around the Boston area.
There's still huge sections of VT/NH/ME that have zero ATT coverage at all, nevermind 3g.
At this point I really don't care who is at fault, I'm just done with the iPhone/ATT.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30914208</id>
	<title>Re:Shiny overrode Technical</title>
	<author>mdelpierre</author>
	<datestamp>1264534440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
Living in Northern VA (outside of Washington DC), everyone complains about the dropped calls with AT&amp;T. About 40\% of the people I know have an iPhone. If Verizon starts to carry the iPhone next week, then 50\% of the people I know will have an iPhone. When I had Cingular (about 4 years ago), I never had a problem with dropped calls. Now, its about a dropped call per day since I travel alot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Living in Northern VA ( outside of Washington DC ) , everyone complains about the dropped calls with AT&amp;T .
About 40 \ % of the people I know have an iPhone .
If Verizon starts to carry the iPhone next week , then 50 \ % of the people I know will have an iPhone .
When I had Cingular ( about 4 years ago ) , I never had a problem with dropped calls .
Now , its about a dropped call per day since I travel alot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Living in Northern VA (outside of Washington DC), everyone complains about the dropped calls with AT&amp;T.
About 40\% of the people I know have an iPhone.
If Verizon starts to carry the iPhone next week, then 50\% of the people I know will have an iPhone.
When I had Cingular (about 4 years ago), I never had a problem with dropped calls.
Now, its about a dropped call per day since I travel alot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30879248</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264355220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can't even write a coherent sentence or spell correctly. Why does your opinion matter?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't even write a coherent sentence or spell correctly .
Why does your opinion matter ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't even write a coherent sentence or spell correctly.
Why does your opinion matter?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878698</id>
	<title>Re:Verified</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264352040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, well alright then, there you have it: "deadend44's fiance" verified it, folks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , well alright then , there you have it : " deadend44 's fiance " verified it , folks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, well alright then, there you have it: "deadend44's fiance" verified it, folks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878488</id>
	<title>iPhone Users are Heavy Data Users</title>
	<author>EvlG</author>
	<datestamp>1264350840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have wondered if ATT is a victim of their own success with 3G congestion. They largely sold the iPhone on the merits of all the cool data features and these users consume a lot of wireless data. 3G networks aren't designed to handle many concurrent heavy users. So I wonder, if Verizon gets the iPhone and folks make the switch, will the situation just naturally improve for ATT? Will Verizon suddenly feel the pain of all those heavy users?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have wondered if ATT is a victim of their own success with 3G congestion .
They largely sold the iPhone on the merits of all the cool data features and these users consume a lot of wireless data .
3G networks are n't designed to handle many concurrent heavy users .
So I wonder , if Verizon gets the iPhone and folks make the switch , will the situation just naturally improve for ATT ?
Will Verizon suddenly feel the pain of all those heavy users ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have wondered if ATT is a victim of their own success with 3G congestion.
They largely sold the iPhone on the merits of all the cool data features and these users consume a lot of wireless data.
3G networks aren't designed to handle many concurrent heavy users.
So I wonder, if Verizon gets the iPhone and folks make the switch, will the situation just naturally improve for ATT?
Will Verizon suddenly feel the pain of all those heavy users?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30881794</id>
	<title>"in a cave": true</title>
	<author>raddan</author>
	<datestamp>1264325520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can confirm this.  I was winter backpacking with my father last weekend in the White Mountains of NH.  Normally, with AT&amp;T, I get no cellphone reception whatsoever there (with the one odd occurrence of 5 bars near Wildcat-- but I suspect that both Mt. Washington and Wildcat have antennas on them), so upon reaching the parking spot in Franconia Notch and confirming that I had no signal, I just left the phone in my Jeep.  However, that night at our campsite at Kinsman Pond, my father realized that he had forgotten to leave his phone in the car.  For fun, he flipped it on, and, hey-- three bars!  My mom was treated to a MMS picture of a deep woods winter wonderland.  My dad has Verizon.
<br> <br>
When you consider that the trees around us were covered in nearly a foot of ice and snow, and we were sleeping in a shelter with several feet of snow on top of it, we really were in a cave.  Amazing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can confirm this .
I was winter backpacking with my father last weekend in the White Mountains of NH .
Normally , with AT&amp;T , I get no cellphone reception whatsoever there ( with the one odd occurrence of 5 bars near Wildcat-- but I suspect that both Mt .
Washington and Wildcat have antennas on them ) , so upon reaching the parking spot in Franconia Notch and confirming that I had no signal , I just left the phone in my Jeep .
However , that night at our campsite at Kinsman Pond , my father realized that he had forgotten to leave his phone in the car .
For fun , he flipped it on , and , hey-- three bars !
My mom was treated to a MMS picture of a deep woods winter wonderland .
My dad has Verizon .
When you consider that the trees around us were covered in nearly a foot of ice and snow , and we were sleeping in a shelter with several feet of snow on top of it , we really were in a cave .
Amazing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can confirm this.
I was winter backpacking with my father last weekend in the White Mountains of NH.
Normally, with AT&amp;T, I get no cellphone reception whatsoever there (with the one odd occurrence of 5 bars near Wildcat-- but I suspect that both Mt.
Washington and Wildcat have antennas on them), so upon reaching the parking spot in Franconia Notch and confirming that I had no signal, I just left the phone in my Jeep.
However, that night at our campsite at Kinsman Pond, my father realized that he had forgotten to leave his phone in the car.
For fun, he flipped it on, and, hey-- three bars!
My mom was treated to a MMS picture of a deep woods winter wonderland.
My dad has Verizon.
When you consider that the trees around us were covered in nearly a foot of ice and snow, and we were sleeping in a shelter with several feet of snow on top of it, we really were in a cave.
Amazing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30885272</id>
	<title>Re:Verified</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264348320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My fiance works for an AT&amp;T reseller</p></div><p>No, she doesn't.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My fiance works for an AT&amp;T resellerNo , she does n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My fiance works for an AT&amp;T resellerNo, she doesn't.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878122</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>Suki I</author>
	<datestamp>1264347480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Was thinking the same.</p><p>This bit from the post: <i>he iPhone itself doesn't really handle the switch from 3G to EDGE very gracefully, so calls that are in-progress tend to fail whenever 3G connections aren't optimal and the phone attempts to step down to EDGE. It seems that AT&amp;T may finally be tired of taking the heat.</i> </p><p>

That is enough for me to delay my purchase until I see something really good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Was thinking the same.This bit from the post : he iPhone itself does n't really handle the switch from 3G to EDGE very gracefully , so calls that are in-progress tend to fail whenever 3G connections are n't optimal and the phone attempts to step down to EDGE .
It seems that AT&amp;T may finally be tired of taking the heat .
That is enough for me to delay my purchase until I see something really good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Was thinking the same.This bit from the post: he iPhone itself doesn't really handle the switch from 3G to EDGE very gracefully, so calls that are in-progress tend to fail whenever 3G connections aren't optimal and the phone attempts to step down to EDGE.
It seems that AT&amp;T may finally be tired of taking the heat.
That is enough for me to delay my purchase until I see something really good.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878042</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30887516</id>
	<title>EDGE does not carry voice calls</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264413900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The iPhone itself doesn't really handle the switch from 3G to EDGE very gracefully, so calls that are in-progress tend to fail whenever 3G connections aren't optimal and the phone attempts to step down to EDGE."</p><p>Calls are not handled by EDGE, which is just an upgrade to GPRS in radio channel. When 3G (UMTS) signal quality is low and 2G (GSM) coverage is good, the phone should handover a voice call to GSM. Some phones have problems with that - this is true.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The iPhone itself does n't really handle the switch from 3G to EDGE very gracefully , so calls that are in-progress tend to fail whenever 3G connections are n't optimal and the phone attempts to step down to EDGE .
" Calls are not handled by EDGE , which is just an upgrade to GPRS in radio channel .
When 3G ( UMTS ) signal quality is low and 2G ( GSM ) coverage is good , the phone should handover a voice call to GSM .
Some phones have problems with that - this is true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The iPhone itself doesn't really handle the switch from 3G to EDGE very gracefully, so calls that are in-progress tend to fail whenever 3G connections aren't optimal and the phone attempts to step down to EDGE.
"Calls are not handled by EDGE, which is just an upgrade to GPRS in radio channel.
When 3G (UMTS) signal quality is low and 2G (GSM) coverage is good, the phone should handover a voice call to GSM.
Some phones have problems with that - this is true.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878800</id>
	<title>I can't imagine why anyone would think</title>
	<author>jra</author>
	<datestamp>1264352760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; The iPhone itself doesn't really handle the switch from 3G to EDGE very gracefully, so calls that are in-progress tend to fail whenever 3G connections aren't optimal and the phone attempts to step down to EDGE.</p><p>since the voice and data decks are separate; the voice isn't *going* over the data connection, so a roam there shouldn't affect a voice call.</p><p>Now, that doesn't mean that it's not having *other* problems roaming from cell to cell; I just don't expect that to be the cause.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; The iPhone itself does n't really handle the switch from 3G to EDGE very gracefully , so calls that are in-progress tend to fail whenever 3G connections are n't optimal and the phone attempts to step down to EDGE.since the voice and data decks are separate ; the voice is n't * going * over the data connection , so a roam there should n't affect a voice call.Now , that does n't mean that it 's not having * other * problems roaming from cell to cell ; I just do n't expect that to be the cause .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; The iPhone itself doesn't really handle the switch from 3G to EDGE very gracefully, so calls that are in-progress tend to fail whenever 3G connections aren't optimal and the phone attempts to step down to EDGE.since the voice and data decks are separate; the voice isn't *going* over the data connection, so a roam there shouldn't affect a voice call.Now, that doesn't mean that it's not having *other* problems roaming from cell to cell; I just don't expect that to be the cause.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878000</id>
	<title>ATT vs Verizon in NYC (ATT rocks for data)</title>
	<author>Ritz\_Just\_Ritz</author>
	<datestamp>1264346580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work in NYC and have the choice between Verizon and ATT for my "company" phone service.  I use the data features fairly frequently and when our group of 40-50 folks sits down and chats (we're pretty equally divided between ATT and Verizon users) it seems to me that ATT data service is usually faster and more reliable.  Of the people who are most vocal about their Verizon support there, they seem to be mostly voice users and only casual data users.</p><p>As far as the iPhone goes, I'd MUCH rather have a Nexus One if I was in the market for a fancy smart phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work in NYC and have the choice between Verizon and ATT for my " company " phone service .
I use the data features fairly frequently and when our group of 40-50 folks sits down and chats ( we 're pretty equally divided between ATT and Verizon users ) it seems to me that ATT data service is usually faster and more reliable .
Of the people who are most vocal about their Verizon support there , they seem to be mostly voice users and only casual data users.As far as the iPhone goes , I 'd MUCH rather have a Nexus One if I was in the market for a fancy smart phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work in NYC and have the choice between Verizon and ATT for my "company" phone service.
I use the data features fairly frequently and when our group of 40-50 folks sits down and chats (we're pretty equally divided between ATT and Verizon users) it seems to me that ATT data service is usually faster and more reliable.
Of the people who are most vocal about their Verizon support there, they seem to be mostly voice users and only casual data users.As far as the iPhone goes, I'd MUCH rather have a Nexus One if I was in the market for a fancy smart phone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878276</id>
	<title>3G on T-Mobile?</title>
	<author>JSBiff</author>
	<datestamp>1264348920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In theory, you could take an AT&amp;T iPhone to T-mobile, as they are also based on GSM, but I remember a couple weeks ago when the Nexus One launched, people pointing out that AT&amp;T and T-Mo use different frequency bands for their 3G service, and so the Nexus One could only be used on AT&amp;T with the slower 2G data channel. I'm guessing the same issue would be in play here, going the other way? That is, you could use an iPhone on T-Mo, but you'd not be able to get 3G data speeds?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In theory , you could take an AT&amp;T iPhone to T-mobile , as they are also based on GSM , but I remember a couple weeks ago when the Nexus One launched , people pointing out that AT&amp;T and T-Mo use different frequency bands for their 3G service , and so the Nexus One could only be used on AT&amp;T with the slower 2G data channel .
I 'm guessing the same issue would be in play here , going the other way ?
That is , you could use an iPhone on T-Mo , but you 'd not be able to get 3G data speeds ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In theory, you could take an AT&amp;T iPhone to T-mobile, as they are also based on GSM, but I remember a couple weeks ago when the Nexus One launched, people pointing out that AT&amp;T and T-Mo use different frequency bands for their 3G service, and so the Nexus One could only be used on AT&amp;T with the slower 2G data channel.
I'm guessing the same issue would be in play here, going the other way?
That is, you could use an iPhone on T-Mo, but you'd not be able to get 3G data speeds?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878636</id>
	<title>no way</title>
	<author>masini</author>
	<datestamp>1264351740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don t hear about this nonsens.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I don t hear about this nonsens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don t hear about this nonsens.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30882026</id>
	<title>Re:ATT vs Verizon in NYC (ATT rocks for data)</title>
	<author>ducomputergeek</author>
	<datestamp>1264327080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Down where I live, we don't have 3G.  I tested my iPhone against my friend's droid on verizon, which said "3g" on his phone.  Web sites on my phone loaded about 1 - 2 seconds slower on average on EDGE than his 3G.  When we were in a larger city where my phone got 3G, it was loading pages about 5 seconds faster than his.</p><p>I'm a heavy data user.  I have a 700 Minute plan (technically I have a family plan and I added my Dad to my plan so he'd have a cell phone.  He's 70 and would never get one on his own and I live a few hours away....)  I maybe use 150 minutes of voice time per month.  But I am getting Texts and Emails constantly for work.  None of my employees will call me, they all text if they need anything since most of them work from home instead of the office.</p><p>What I REALLY want is the ability to tether my iPhone to my computer again.  It would be extremely handy for doing demos without having to spend an extra $60 for a cell card.  Even if ATT charged another $10 per month I'd still do it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Down where I live , we do n't have 3G .
I tested my iPhone against my friend 's droid on verizon , which said " 3g " on his phone .
Web sites on my phone loaded about 1 - 2 seconds slower on average on EDGE than his 3G .
When we were in a larger city where my phone got 3G , it was loading pages about 5 seconds faster than his.I 'm a heavy data user .
I have a 700 Minute plan ( technically I have a family plan and I added my Dad to my plan so he 'd have a cell phone .
He 's 70 and would never get one on his own and I live a few hours away.... ) I maybe use 150 minutes of voice time per month .
But I am getting Texts and Emails constantly for work .
None of my employees will call me , they all text if they need anything since most of them work from home instead of the office.What I REALLY want is the ability to tether my iPhone to my computer again .
It would be extremely handy for doing demos without having to spend an extra $ 60 for a cell card .
Even if ATT charged another $ 10 per month I 'd still do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Down where I live, we don't have 3G.
I tested my iPhone against my friend's droid on verizon, which said "3g" on his phone.
Web sites on my phone loaded about 1 - 2 seconds slower on average on EDGE than his 3G.
When we were in a larger city where my phone got 3G, it was loading pages about 5 seconds faster than his.I'm a heavy data user.
I have a 700 Minute plan (technically I have a family plan and I added my Dad to my plan so he'd have a cell phone.
He's 70 and would never get one on his own and I live a few hours away....)  I maybe use 150 minutes of voice time per month.
But I am getting Texts and Emails constantly for work.
None of my employees will call me, they all text if they need anything since most of them work from home instead of the office.What I REALLY want is the ability to tether my iPhone to my computer again.
It would be extremely handy for doing demos without having to spend an extra $60 for a cell card.
Even if ATT charged another $10 per month I'd still do it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878000</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30883862</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>rcharbon</author>
	<datestamp>1264338300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's just a reason to get a carrier with better 3G coverage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's just a reason to get a carrier with better 3G coverage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's just a reason to get a carrier with better 3G coverage.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878122</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30879162</id>
	<title>Re:iPhone Users are Heavy Data Users</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264354860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>mod parent up.</p><p>it's the same old with these things:<br>
&nbsp; organization marketing makes fantastic promises that engineering knows can't be fufilled, but is squashed by executive wing looking forward to bonuses. consumer milked.<br>
&nbsp; news at 11.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>mod parent up.it 's the same old with these things :   organization marketing makes fantastic promises that engineering knows ca n't be fufilled , but is squashed by executive wing looking forward to bonuses .
consumer milked .
  news at 11 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mod parent up.it's the same old with these things:
  organization marketing makes fantastic promises that engineering knows can't be fufilled, but is squashed by executive wing looking forward to bonuses.
consumer milked.
  news at 11.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878488</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30896140</id>
	<title>Re:Shiny overrode Technical</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264415460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I also travel up to NH and Vermont a couple of times a year because my family lives up there.  Coverage for my iPhone is pretty spotty, even along the interstates.  In NYC coverage is good, but data is often very slow.  In the DC area, where I live, both coverage and data speeds are pretty good, and I rarely have problems with slow data.  The same is true in Florida (around the Ft. Lauderdale - Miami area) in my experience.  I think the only times I've had dropped calls is when I'm talking with my fiancee, and she has a Sprint phone.  Of course, that could be because I talk to her a lot more than anyone else.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I also travel up to NH and Vermont a couple of times a year because my family lives up there .
Coverage for my iPhone is pretty spotty , even along the interstates .
In NYC coverage is good , but data is often very slow .
In the DC area , where I live , both coverage and data speeds are pretty good , and I rarely have problems with slow data .
The same is true in Florida ( around the Ft. Lauderdale - Miami area ) in my experience .
I think the only times I 've had dropped calls is when I 'm talking with my fiancee , and she has a Sprint phone .
Of course , that could be because I talk to her a lot more than anyone else .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also travel up to NH and Vermont a couple of times a year because my family lives up there.
Coverage for my iPhone is pretty spotty, even along the interstates.
In NYC coverage is good, but data is often very slow.
In the DC area, where I live, both coverage and data speeds are pretty good, and I rarely have problems with slow data.
The same is true in Florida (around the Ft. Lauderdale - Miami area) in my experience.
I think the only times I've had dropped calls is when I'm talking with my fiancee, and she has a Sprint phone.
Of course, that could be because I talk to her a lot more than anyone else.
 </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878248</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30881662</id>
	<title>Re:Verizon iPhone</title>
	<author>Genom</author>
	<datestamp>1264324800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm in about the same boat, with about the same contract timing, just a bit south of you in MA.  AT&amp;T's coverage is half-decent, but their reliability for both voice and data has been *horrible* over the past three years (1 year on an unsubsidized 2G iPhone, 2 years on the 3G).</p><p>I don't hear the same complaints from the Verizon smartphone users I know.  FWIW, I've never heard a single one complain about "not talking and surfing at the same time", as AT&amp;Ts ads would have you believe.  They complain about Verizon's prices and their shitty customer service, but never about the network, reliability, or general ability to do stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm in about the same boat , with about the same contract timing , just a bit south of you in MA .
AT&amp;T 's coverage is half-decent , but their reliability for both voice and data has been * horrible * over the past three years ( 1 year on an unsubsidized 2G iPhone , 2 years on the 3G ) .I do n't hear the same complaints from the Verizon smartphone users I know .
FWIW , I 've never heard a single one complain about " not talking and surfing at the same time " , as AT&amp;Ts ads would have you believe .
They complain about Verizon 's prices and their shitty customer service , but never about the network , reliability , or general ability to do stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm in about the same boat, with about the same contract timing, just a bit south of you in MA.
AT&amp;T's coverage is half-decent, but their reliability for both voice and data has been *horrible* over the past three years (1 year on an unsubsidized 2G iPhone, 2 years on the 3G).I don't hear the same complaints from the Verizon smartphone users I know.
FWIW, I've never heard a single one complain about "not talking and surfing at the same time", as AT&amp;Ts ads would have you believe.
They complain about Verizon's prices and their shitty customer service, but never about the network, reliability, or general ability to do stuff.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878014</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30882530</id>
	<title>Re:try finding iphone on att site</title>
	<author>farble1670</author>
	<datestamp>1264329840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>iphone 4 is rumored next week as well. if you bought a 3gs last week it would make you sort of upset if the iphone 4 came out this week. at&amp;t may have just pulled the 3gs for that reason.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>iphone 4 is rumored next week as well .
if you bought a 3gs last week it would make you sort of upset if the iphone 4 came out this week .
at&amp;t may have just pulled the 3gs for that reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iphone 4 is rumored next week as well.
if you bought a 3gs last week it would make you sort of upset if the iphone 4 came out this week.
at&amp;t may have just pulled the 3gs for that reason.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878642</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30877950</id>
	<title>Who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264345980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The iPhone is nothing special, this is even more true now that there are many Android based phones to choose from.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The iPhone is nothing special , this is even more true now that there are many Android based phones to choose from .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The iPhone is nothing special, this is even more true now that there are many Android based phones to choose from.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878542</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>jcwayne</author>
	<datestamp>1264351080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Man you are dumb.</p></div><p>If you're going to start out with such a remark, you might want to proof read your post.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Man you are dumb.If you 're going to start out with such a remark , you might want to proof read your post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man you are dumb.If you're going to start out with such a remark, you might want to proof read your post.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878064</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30889650</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>Aqualung812</author>
	<datestamp>1264433640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Daily commute switches from 3G to EDGE, never dropped a call during that time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Daily commute switches from 3G to EDGE , never dropped a call during that time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Daily commute switches from 3G to EDGE, never dropped a call during that time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878122</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30880424</id>
	<title>Re:ATT vs Verizon in NYC (ATT rocks for data)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264361580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>..ATT data service is usually faster and more reliable.</i></p><p>Hey Luke how is it going? I didn't realize you were on Slashdot. I just want to say, I love the movie Idiocracy. I know a lot of people thought it was horrible but I don't think they got the true meaning of the movie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..ATT data service is usually faster and more reliable.Hey Luke how is it going ?
I did n't realize you were on Slashdot .
I just want to say , I love the movie Idiocracy .
I know a lot of people thought it was horrible but I do n't think they got the true meaning of the movie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..ATT data service is usually faster and more reliable.Hey Luke how is it going?
I didn't realize you were on Slashdot.
I just want to say, I love the movie Idiocracy.
I know a lot of people thought it was horrible but I don't think they got the true meaning of the movie.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878000</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30879442</id>
	<title>at&amp;t store</title>
	<author>p51d007</author>
	<datestamp>1264356540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why do you think that anytime you walk into an at&amp;t store, you can't go 3 feet without running into something associated with the iPhone?
AT&amp;T is trying to get as many customers (suckers) to opt for a long term contract, because they know there will be a hoard of people going to t-mobile or whoever else sells the iphone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do you think that anytime you walk into an at&amp;t store , you ca n't go 3 feet without running into something associated with the iPhone ?
AT&amp;T is trying to get as many customers ( suckers ) to opt for a long term contract , because they know there will be a hoard of people going to t-mobile or whoever else sells the iphone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do you think that anytime you walk into an at&amp;t store, you can't go 3 feet without running into something associated with the iPhone?
AT&amp;T is trying to get as many customers (suckers) to opt for a long term contract, because they know there will be a hoard of people going to t-mobile or whoever else sells the iphone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30881966</id>
	<title>Re:Hmmm....</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1264326720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, dropping iTunes DRM had nothing to do with the threat of iTunes being kicked out of EU market... (they have better <i>phones</i> there, too)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , dropping iTunes DRM had nothing to do with the threat of iTunes being kicked out of EU market... ( they have better phones there , too )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, dropping iTunes DRM had nothing to do with the threat of iTunes being kicked out of EU market... (they have better phones there, too)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878310</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878774</id>
	<title>Re:ATT vs Verizon in NYC (ATT rocks for data)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264352580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just North of NYC there are lots of dead spots for AT&amp;T.  Verizon has the best coverage here.  But I use Sprint, which has good coverage where I use it, for my smartphone. (including most of the Caribbean countries I just visited.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just North of NYC there are lots of dead spots for AT&amp;T .
Verizon has the best coverage here .
But I use Sprint , which has good coverage where I use it , for my smartphone .
( including most of the Caribbean countries I just visited .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just North of NYC there are lots of dead spots for AT&amp;T.
Verizon has the best coverage here.
But I use Sprint, which has good coverage where I use it, for my smartphone.
(including most of the Caribbean countries I just visited.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878472</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>carbuck</author>
	<datestamp>1264350720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Most mobile application/web development is primarily tested for the iPhone So right now iPhone as more apps.
The iPhone is the standard that all the other phones need to set the bar against."

But at the end of the day, its still a phone, and if you don't have reliable service, what good is everything else?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Most mobile application/web development is primarily tested for the iPhone So right now iPhone as more apps .
The iPhone is the standard that all the other phones need to set the bar against .
" But at the end of the day , its still a phone , and if you do n't have reliable service , what good is everything else ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Most mobile application/web development is primarily tested for the iPhone So right now iPhone as more apps.
The iPhone is the standard that all the other phones need to set the bar against.
"

But at the end of the day, its still a phone, and if you don't have reliable service, what good is everything else?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878064</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878368</id>
	<title>You're forgetting the price</title>
	<author>Chemisor</author>
	<datestamp>1264349760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To get the iPhone, I would need to sign up for a VERY expensive and long term contract. There is no way I'm spending a thousand dollars a year for a friggin phone. To get the Nexus One I can buy a prepaid sim from T-mobile and pay $100/year, using WiFi for network connectivity. This price advantage alone is enough to give the Nexus One an enormously larger market than the iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To get the iPhone , I would need to sign up for a VERY expensive and long term contract .
There is no way I 'm spending a thousand dollars a year for a friggin phone .
To get the Nexus One I can buy a prepaid sim from T-mobile and pay $ 100/year , using WiFi for network connectivity .
This price advantage alone is enough to give the Nexus One an enormously larger market than the iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To get the iPhone, I would need to sign up for a VERY expensive and long term contract.
There is no way I'm spending a thousand dollars a year for a friggin phone.
To get the Nexus One I can buy a prepaid sim from T-mobile and pay $100/year, using WiFi for network connectivity.
This price advantage alone is enough to give the Nexus One an enormously larger market than the iPhone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878032</id>
	<title>I'm sure Verizon will welcome all of AT&amp;T's us</title>
	<author>Jackie\_Chan\_Fan</author>
	<datestamp>1264346700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AT&amp;T hates the iPhone now? Why?</p><p>Perhaps because they know Apple does not intend to renew its contract with AT&amp;T?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AT&amp;T hates the iPhone now ?
Why ? Perhaps because they know Apple does not intend to renew its contract with AT&amp;T ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AT&amp;T hates the iPhone now?
Why?Perhaps because they know Apple does not intend to renew its contract with AT&amp;T?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30879292</id>
	<title>Re:Verizon iPhone</title>
	<author>wwphx</author>
	<datestamp>1264355520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Doesn't your contract go month-to-month at that point?  Can't you just continue to pay your normal monthly and wait for a carrier switch to happen?  I'd wait before switching to a different carrier and getting locked in to another contract, only to find a couple of months later that the carrier that you want now offers it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't your contract go month-to-month at that point ?
Ca n't you just continue to pay your normal monthly and wait for a carrier switch to happen ?
I 'd wait before switching to a different carrier and getting locked in to another contract , only to find a couple of months later that the carrier that you want now offers it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't your contract go month-to-month at that point?
Can't you just continue to pay your normal monthly and wait for a carrier switch to happen?
I'd wait before switching to a different carrier and getting locked in to another contract, only to find a couple of months later that the carrier that you want now offers it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878014</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30880106</id>
	<title>I agree wholeheartedly</title>
	<author>lullabud</author>
	<datestamp>1264360260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an owner of three blackberry devices before the iPhone came out, my reason for not complaining about the network was twofold...</p><p>1)  Blackberry devices weren't good enough to be anything better than the bottleneck.  They didn't do video, streaming audio, and until the 8830, couldn't even render a fucking &lt;table&gt;.</p><p>2)  I was too busy complaining about Blackberry itself with its terrible speed problems, UI problems and interface inconsistencies.  (Tip to the 8830 users: you can set the side button to go to the app switcher, which can function as a "get me the fuck out of this back-button-loop" button.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an owner of three blackberry devices before the iPhone came out , my reason for not complaining about the network was twofold...1 ) Blackberry devices were n't good enough to be anything better than the bottleneck .
They did n't do video , streaming audio , and until the 8830 , could n't even render a fucking .2 ) I was too busy complaining about Blackberry itself with its terrible speed problems , UI problems and interface inconsistencies .
( Tip to the 8830 users : you can set the side button to go to the app switcher , which can function as a " get me the fuck out of this back-button-loop " button .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an owner of three blackberry devices before the iPhone came out, my reason for not complaining about the network was twofold...1)  Blackberry devices weren't good enough to be anything better than the bottleneck.
They didn't do video, streaming audio, and until the 8830, couldn't even render a fucking .2)  I was too busy complaining about Blackberry itself with its terrible speed problems, UI problems and interface inconsistencies.
(Tip to the 8830 users: you can set the side button to go to the app switcher, which can function as a "get me the fuck out of this back-button-loop" button.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878046</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30880606</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>PapayaSF</author>
	<datestamp>1264362480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>it'll take another generation or two for Android to catch up</i> </p><p>I suspect Apple and the iPhone won't be just standing still while that happens....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it 'll take another generation or two for Android to catch up I suspect Apple and the iPhone wo n't be just standing still while that happens... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> it'll take another generation or two for Android to catch up I suspect Apple and the iPhone won't be just standing still while that happens....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878042</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30882446</id>
	<title>Re:Verified</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264329360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>[citation needed]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>[ citation needed ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[citation needed]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878046</id>
	<title>Uh, excuse me?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264346820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Because they are the only company to carry it, and it's such a data hog, it's largely to blame for AT&amp;T's network troubles. We don't remember hearing about AT&amp;T's "horrible network" before the iPhone--do you?</p></div><p>Doesn't matter. AT&amp;T made an agreement with Apple, they made contracts with users - really one sided contracts - to handle this. To blame a product and consumers for AT&amp;T's short sightedness, mismanagement, and desire to squeeze every last penny out of their subscribers and their system is ridiculous. </p><p>AT&amp;T got the business and <i>they</i> didn't live up to their end of the bargain.</p><p>Period.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because they are the only company to carry it , and it 's such a data hog , it 's largely to blame for AT&amp;T 's network troubles .
We do n't remember hearing about AT&amp;T 's " horrible network " before the iPhone--do you ? Does n't matter .
AT&amp;T made an agreement with Apple , they made contracts with users - really one sided contracts - to handle this .
To blame a product and consumers for AT&amp;T 's short sightedness , mismanagement , and desire to squeeze every last penny out of their subscribers and their system is ridiculous .
AT&amp;T got the business and they did n't live up to their end of the bargain.Period .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because they are the only company to carry it, and it's such a data hog, it's largely to blame for AT&amp;T's network troubles.
We don't remember hearing about AT&amp;T's "horrible network" before the iPhone--do you?Doesn't matter.
AT&amp;T made an agreement with Apple, they made contracts with users - really one sided contracts - to handle this.
To blame a product and consumers for AT&amp;T's short sightedness, mismanagement, and desire to squeeze every last penny out of their subscribers and their system is ridiculous.
AT&amp;T got the business and they didn't live up to their end of the bargain.Period.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30879358</id>
	<title>Re:try finding iphone on att site</title>
	<author>Professor\_UNIX</author>
	<datestamp>1264355940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you just trolling?  It's right on their front page as the 5th flash advertisement.  If you click on it it goes to:<br><a href="http://www.att.com/wireless/iphone/" title="att.com">http://www.att.com/wireless/iphone/</a> [att.com]</p><p>They also have a "quick link" in their menu right to the iPhone 3Gs page.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you just trolling ?
It 's right on their front page as the 5th flash advertisement .
If you click on it it goes to : http : //www.att.com/wireless/iphone/ [ att.com ] They also have a " quick link " in their menu right to the iPhone 3Gs page .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you just trolling?
It's right on their front page as the 5th flash advertisement.
If you click on it it goes to:http://www.att.com/wireless/iphone/ [att.com]They also have a "quick link" in their menu right to the iPhone 3Gs page.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30879072</id>
	<title>Re:Droid vs iPhone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264354320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Posting as AC so I don't erase mod points..</p><p>I have a Samsung Moment, and many people where I work have iPhones, so I've used both (I have to set up the phones for email etc when they come in).  One thing I much prefer with Android is the notification interface.  New text messages, program notifications, and emails are all easily accessible through the pull down bar at the top.  On iPhone it takes more navigation to get to your items if you were in the middle of something and didn't use the initial pop-up prompt.</p><p>Sprint, unfortunately, is still on Android 1.5, though the rumor is they are moving to 2.1 in the first half of 2010 (1.5 doesn't have a few nice features like built-in app to see which programs are using the most battery)</p><p>On the other side, the security of the iPhone app store is nice - knowing that all the apps will be safe.  I'm sure we'll probably see safe app repositories for Android in short order though - similar to the way Ubuntu manages their application repository currently.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Posting as AC so I do n't erase mod points..I have a Samsung Moment , and many people where I work have iPhones , so I 've used both ( I have to set up the phones for email etc when they come in ) .
One thing I much prefer with Android is the notification interface .
New text messages , program notifications , and emails are all easily accessible through the pull down bar at the top .
On iPhone it takes more navigation to get to your items if you were in the middle of something and did n't use the initial pop-up prompt.Sprint , unfortunately , is still on Android 1.5 , though the rumor is they are moving to 2.1 in the first half of 2010 ( 1.5 does n't have a few nice features like built-in app to see which programs are using the most battery ) On the other side , the security of the iPhone app store is nice - knowing that all the apps will be safe .
I 'm sure we 'll probably see safe app repositories for Android in short order though - similar to the way Ubuntu manages their application repository currently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Posting as AC so I don't erase mod points..I have a Samsung Moment, and many people where I work have iPhones, so I've used both (I have to set up the phones for email etc when they come in).
One thing I much prefer with Android is the notification interface.
New text messages, program notifications, and emails are all easily accessible through the pull down bar at the top.
On iPhone it takes more navigation to get to your items if you were in the middle of something and didn't use the initial pop-up prompt.Sprint, unfortunately, is still on Android 1.5, though the rumor is they are moving to 2.1 in the first half of 2010 (1.5 doesn't have a few nice features like built-in app to see which programs are using the most battery)On the other side, the security of the iPhone app store is nice - knowing that all the apps will be safe.
I'm sure we'll probably see safe app repositories for Android in short order though - similar to the way Ubuntu manages their application repository currently.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878294</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878364</id>
	<title>Don't expect network choice to mean lower prices.</title>
	<author>arizonagroovejet</author>
	<datestamp>1264349640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The iPhone launched in the UK as exclusive to the O2 network. In the last few months it's become available on two of the other four biggest networks Vodafone and Orange (who have announced that they will merge with the other big four,  T-Mobile). The pricing and plan are practically identical.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The iPhone launched in the UK as exclusive to the O2 network .
In the last few months it 's become available on two of the other four biggest networks Vodafone and Orange ( who have announced that they will merge with the other big four , T-Mobile ) .
The pricing and plan are practically identical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The iPhone launched in the UK as exclusive to the O2 network.
In the last few months it's become available on two of the other four biggest networks Vodafone and Orange (who have announced that they will merge with the other big four,  T-Mobile).
The pricing and plan are practically identical.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30894000</id>
	<title>Re:Verizon iPhone</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1264450080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>You pretty much have to be in a deep cave to not have a Verizon cell phone signal here.</i></p><p>Oh, just keep driving north another hour, we've got plenty of VZW deadzones here.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)  But they're still an order of magnitude better than AT&amp;T.  I've been known to mock before, "A mobile phone that can't make phone calls... fascinating."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You pretty much have to be in a deep cave to not have a Verizon cell phone signal here.Oh , just keep driving north another hour , we 've got plenty of VZW deadzones here .
: ) But they 're still an order of magnitude better than AT&amp;T .
I 've been known to mock before , " A mobile phone that ca n't make phone calls.. .
fascinating. "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You pretty much have to be in a deep cave to not have a Verizon cell phone signal here.Oh, just keep driving north another hour, we've got plenty of VZW deadzones here.
:)  But they're still an order of magnitude better than AT&amp;T.
I've been known to mock before, "A mobile phone that can't make phone calls...
fascinating."</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30896902</id>
	<title>Phone carriers need to step up</title>
	<author>RugidChild</author>
	<datestamp>1264418220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well with the phone companies saying what they can do compared to the next company and vice versa. I don't see the iPhone or any phone achieving it's full potential in the US until either one or several carriers decide to provide coverage in the US like the carriers are able to do in Japan. Both AT&amp;T and Verizon have big faults when it comes to their abilities. Verizon says their 3G coverage covers the entire country but their speed stinks. AT&amp;T claims their speed is tops, but their coverage stinks. The companies are still trying to get 3G coverage throughout and until that happens the latest smartphone will always not run at its full capabilities.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well with the phone companies saying what they can do compared to the next company and vice versa .
I do n't see the iPhone or any phone achieving it 's full potential in the US until either one or several carriers decide to provide coverage in the US like the carriers are able to do in Japan .
Both AT&amp;T and Verizon have big faults when it comes to their abilities .
Verizon says their 3G coverage covers the entire country but their speed stinks .
AT&amp;T claims their speed is tops , but their coverage stinks .
The companies are still trying to get 3G coverage throughout and until that happens the latest smartphone will always not run at its full capabilities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well with the phone companies saying what they can do compared to the next company and vice versa.
I don't see the iPhone or any phone achieving it's full potential in the US until either one or several carriers decide to provide coverage in the US like the carriers are able to do in Japan.
Both AT&amp;T and Verizon have big faults when it comes to their abilities.
Verizon says their 3G coverage covers the entire country but their speed stinks.
AT&amp;T claims their speed is tops, but their coverage stinks.
The companies are still trying to get 3G coverage throughout and until that happens the latest smartphone will always not run at its full capabilities.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878064</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>jellomizer</author>
	<datestamp>1264347000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Man you are dumb.</p><p>For one the market share for iPhones is still much much larger then all the Android based phones out there. It is second only to RIM Blackberries.<br>Most mobile application/web development is primarily tested for the iPhone  So right now iPhone as more apps.<br>The iPhone is the standard that all the other phones need to set the bar against.</p><p>It isn't about features or technology it is about mindset.  Right now the iPhone is still the winner (next year who knows bur right now they are the winner)</p><p>AT&amp;T got a lot of new customers just because people wanted the phone... For the most case this is opposite... People search for the plan they want and get the phone.  If AT&amp;T looses iPhone exclusivity it would really heart them.  Well lets go with the other ones instead they may have better coverage or faster network.  Spring G4 iPhone would be cool. Perhaps Verizon my have a cheaper Service.  Perhaps t-mobile will allow tethering.</p><p>Android is still second fiddle... I for one like to see it grow and give apple a good run for its money however you have to be an idiot to think the iPhone is irrelevant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Man you are dumb.For one the market share for iPhones is still much much larger then all the Android based phones out there .
It is second only to RIM Blackberries.Most mobile application/web development is primarily tested for the iPhone So right now iPhone as more apps.The iPhone is the standard that all the other phones need to set the bar against.It is n't about features or technology it is about mindset .
Right now the iPhone is still the winner ( next year who knows bur right now they are the winner ) AT&amp;T got a lot of new customers just because people wanted the phone... For the most case this is opposite... People search for the plan they want and get the phone .
If AT&amp;T looses iPhone exclusivity it would really heart them .
Well lets go with the other ones instead they may have better coverage or faster network .
Spring G4 iPhone would be cool .
Perhaps Verizon my have a cheaper Service .
Perhaps t-mobile will allow tethering.Android is still second fiddle... I for one like to see it grow and give apple a good run for its money however you have to be an idiot to think the iPhone is irrelevant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man you are dumb.For one the market share for iPhones is still much much larger then all the Android based phones out there.
It is second only to RIM Blackberries.Most mobile application/web development is primarily tested for the iPhone  So right now iPhone as more apps.The iPhone is the standard that all the other phones need to set the bar against.It isn't about features or technology it is about mindset.
Right now the iPhone is still the winner (next year who knows bur right now they are the winner)AT&amp;T got a lot of new customers just because people wanted the phone... For the most case this is opposite... People search for the plan they want and get the phone.
If AT&amp;T looses iPhone exclusivity it would really heart them.
Well lets go with the other ones instead they may have better coverage or faster network.
Spring G4 iPhone would be cool.
Perhaps Verizon my have a cheaper Service.
Perhaps t-mobile will allow tethering.Android is still second fiddle... I for one like to see it grow and give apple a good run for its money however you have to be an idiot to think the iPhone is irrelevant.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30888932</id>
	<title>Re:You're forgetting the price</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264430100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're buying a phone to turn it into a wireless device. Buy  an iPod Touch and use Skype.</p><p>Fffss troll.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're buying a phone to turn it into a wireless device .
Buy an iPod Touch and use Skype.Fffss troll .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're buying a phone to turn it into a wireless device.
Buy  an iPod Touch and use Skype.Fffss troll.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.31032756</id>
	<title>iPhone Deals are rocking in UK</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265367420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People that are looking for the iPhone deals in UK can get it so easily in least price with the best iPhone deals. Many operators are providing these iPhone deals at reasonable price. you can get more on it by visiting http://www.bestiphonedeals.org.uk</p><p>Take care all.</p><p>S G.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People that are looking for the iPhone deals in UK can get it so easily in least price with the best iPhone deals .
Many operators are providing these iPhone deals at reasonable price .
you can get more on it by visiting http : //www.bestiphonedeals.org.ukTake care all.S G .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People that are looking for the iPhone deals in UK can get it so easily in least price with the best iPhone deals.
Many operators are providing these iPhone deals at reasonable price.
you can get more on it by visiting http://www.bestiphonedeals.org.ukTake care all.S G.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878330</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264349400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, I am a geek so I guess I fall into your comment. I have to say I really like my android phone (Droid). I'm not sure what better, more fluid, experience I would have with the iPhone. Oh, that's right - I know now, it's more fluid because I can't use Google Voice. I guess it is also more fluid because it can't do more than 1 app, so no background instant messenger.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I am a geek so I guess I fall into your comment .
I have to say I really like my android phone ( Droid ) .
I 'm not sure what better , more fluid , experience I would have with the iPhone .
Oh , that 's right - I know now , it 's more fluid because I ca n't use Google Voice .
I guess it is also more fluid because it ca n't do more than 1 app , so no background instant messenger .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I am a geek so I guess I fall into your comment.
I have to say I really like my android phone (Droid).
I'm not sure what better, more fluid, experience I would have with the iPhone.
Oh, that's right - I know now, it's more fluid because I can't use Google Voice.
I guess it is also more fluid because it can't do more than 1 app, so no background instant messenger.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878042</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878376</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264349880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Holy shit your post is making me rage.  Android is FINE FOR FUCKING ANYONE.  Fuck you retarded ignorant arrogant bastard geeks who think that android is too complicated for those folk of average intelligence to use. And youre also stupid if you believe that most people put more importance on how something looks or feels over its function. If you think that ANYONE would struggle to use android then YOURE the retarded one. android is VERY easy to use. mod parent down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Holy shit your post is making me rage .
Android is FINE FOR FUCKING ANYONE .
Fuck you retarded ignorant arrogant bastard geeks who think that android is too complicated for those folk of average intelligence to use .
And youre also stupid if you believe that most people put more importance on how something looks or feels over its function .
If you think that ANYONE would struggle to use android then YOURE the retarded one .
android is VERY easy to use .
mod parent down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Holy shit your post is making me rage.
Android is FINE FOR FUCKING ANYONE.
Fuck you retarded ignorant arrogant bastard geeks who think that android is too complicated for those folk of average intelligence to use.
And youre also stupid if you believe that most people put more importance on how something looks or feels over its function.
If you think that ANYONE would struggle to use android then YOURE the retarded one.
android is VERY easy to use.
mod parent down.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878042</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878166</id>
	<title>Verified</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264347900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>My fiance works for an AT&amp;T reseller and just verified that they are losing exclusivity this week.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My fiance works for an AT&amp;T reseller and just verified that they are losing exclusivity this week .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My fiance works for an AT&amp;T reseller and just verified that they are losing exclusivity this week.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878876</id>
	<title>Re:AT&amp;T Sucks</title>
	<author>Triceratot</author>
	<datestamp>1264353120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>*grins*  Been there, done that.   I worked the overtime for the iPhone release, and worked customer care for the switchover from analog/TDMA to GSM and then to 3G....Rebranding is just a pain.  Every cell company has complaints about service, and not every cell phone is going to work everywhere for myriad of reasons.  Both AT&amp;T and Apple handled the i-Phone wrong, period.   Chalk it up to experience and perhaps AT&amp;T will get its head out of the clouds.  They are going to lose a heck of a lot of customers, and my heart goes out to "tech" for phone unlocking.</htmltext>
<tokenext>* grins * Been there , done that .
I worked the overtime for the iPhone release , and worked customer care for the switchover from analog/TDMA to GSM and then to 3G....Rebranding is just a pain .
Every cell company has complaints about service , and not every cell phone is going to work everywhere for myriad of reasons .
Both AT&amp;T and Apple handled the i-Phone wrong , period .
Chalk it up to experience and perhaps AT&amp;T will get its head out of the clouds .
They are going to lose a heck of a lot of customers , and my heart goes out to " tech " for phone unlocking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*grins*  Been there, done that.
I worked the overtime for the iPhone release, and worked customer care for the switchover from analog/TDMA to GSM and then to 3G....Rebranding is just a pain.
Every cell company has complaints about service, and not every cell phone is going to work everywhere for myriad of reasons.
Both AT&amp;T and Apple handled the i-Phone wrong, period.
Chalk it up to experience and perhaps AT&amp;T will get its head out of the clouds.
They are going to lose a heck of a lot of customers, and my heart goes out to "tech" for phone unlocking.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30878018</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_1227217.30882962</id>
	<title>Article missing the GSM factor.</title>
	<author>stinkyj</author>
	<datestamp>1264332480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yawn. Unless someone has T-mobile, I don't see what the fuss is. Iphone is a GSM phone.  Verizion is not going GSM till LTE, which would be doubtful to see this year. Spring is not GSM.  Apple went with AT&amp;T because no one's GSM network was big enough in the USA.  I'm not saying it's not going to happen, but unless you're carrier is GSM, you won't be using an iphone any time soon.</p><p>I'm cheap and have had Bellsouth/AT&amp;T for years and never had any major problems with AT&amp;T and people I know with it don't seem to have any problems, my take is I guess it's where you live.  Our company sells equip to multiple vendors and the story we're getting is AT&amp;T has the bandwidth, it's the backhaul from the base station to the RNC that's the problem. A lot of steps  from your handset to the network, it's a moving target.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yawn .
Unless someone has T-mobile , I do n't see what the fuss is .
Iphone is a GSM phone .
Verizion is not going GSM till LTE , which would be doubtful to see this year .
Spring is not GSM .
Apple went with AT&amp;T because no one 's GSM network was big enough in the USA .
I 'm not saying it 's not going to happen , but unless you 're carrier is GSM , you wo n't be using an iphone any time soon.I 'm cheap and have had Bellsouth/AT&amp;T for years and never had any major problems with AT&amp;T and people I know with it do n't seem to have any problems , my take is I guess it 's where you live .
Our company sells equip to multiple vendors and the story we 're getting is AT&amp;T has the bandwidth , it 's the backhaul from the base station to the RNC that 's the problem .
A lot of steps from your handset to the network , it 's a moving target .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yawn.
Unless someone has T-mobile, I don't see what the fuss is.
Iphone is a GSM phone.
Verizion is not going GSM till LTE, which would be doubtful to see this year.
Spring is not GSM.
Apple went with AT&amp;T because no one's GSM network was big enough in the USA.
I'm not saying it's not going to happen, but unless you're carrier is GSM, you won't be using an iphone any time soon.I'm cheap and have had Bellsouth/AT&amp;T for years and never had any major problems with AT&amp;T and people I know with it don't seem to have any problems, my take is I guess it's where you live.
Our company sells equip to multiple vendors and the story we're getting is AT&amp;T has the bandwidth, it's the backhaul from the base station to the RNC that's the problem.
A lot of steps  from your handset to the network, it's a moving target.</sentencetext>
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