<article>
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	<title>Artwork Re-Sells Itself Weekly On eBay</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1264274040000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Lanxon writes <i>"How much would you pay for a piece of artwork that you could only own for a week? <em>A Tool to Deceive and Slaughter</em>, 2009, is a black acrylic box that <a href="http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-01/22/artwork-selling-itself-on-ebay.aspx">places itself for sale on eBay</a> every seven days thanks to an embedded Internet connection, which, according to the artist's conditions of sale, must be live at all times. Disconnections are only allowed during transport, says the creator, Caleb Larsen. Larsen tells Wired UK: 'Inside the black box is a micro controller and an Ethernet adapter that contacts a script running on [a] server [every] 10 minutes. The server script checks to see if the box currently has an active auction, and if it doesn't, it creates a new auction for the work.'"</i> Another condition of sale is that the artist gets 15\% each time the piece is sold. Maybe the First Sale Doctrine works differently in the UK.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lanxon writes " How much would you pay for a piece of artwork that you could only own for a week ?
A Tool to Deceive and Slaughter , 2009 , is a black acrylic box that places itself for sale on eBay every seven days thanks to an embedded Internet connection , which , according to the artist 's conditions of sale , must be live at all times .
Disconnections are only allowed during transport , says the creator , Caleb Larsen .
Larsen tells Wired UK : 'Inside the black box is a micro controller and an Ethernet adapter that contacts a script running on [ a ] server [ every ] 10 minutes .
The server script checks to see if the box currently has an active auction , and if it does n't , it creates a new auction for the work .
' " Another condition of sale is that the artist gets 15 \ % each time the piece is sold .
Maybe the First Sale Doctrine works differently in the UK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lanxon writes "How much would you pay for a piece of artwork that you could only own for a week?
A Tool to Deceive and Slaughter, 2009, is a black acrylic box that places itself for sale on eBay every seven days thanks to an embedded Internet connection, which, according to the artist's conditions of sale, must be live at all times.
Disconnections are only allowed during transport, says the creator, Caleb Larsen.
Larsen tells Wired UK: 'Inside the black box is a micro controller and an Ethernet adapter that contacts a script running on [a] server [every] 10 minutes.
The server script checks to see if the box currently has an active auction, and if it doesn't, it creates a new auction for the work.
'" Another condition of sale is that the artist gets 15\% each time the piece is sold.
Maybe the First Sale Doctrine works differently in the UK.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Sounds like a pyramid scheme</title>
	<author>deniable</author>
	<datestamp>1264328700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's a cube scheme, not pyramid.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a cube scheme , not pyramid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a cube scheme, not pyramid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878688</id>
	<title>An honest artist.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264351980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd say he's an honest artist. If you go back to DaVinci, or even Cimabue, no one does art without money/ resources. Every single artist in time did it as a *job*, albeit the famous one did it with passion and more talent than its contemporaries.</p><p>In short, artists make art for money; they use that money to sustain themselves in order to make more art. Larsen is being honest about his art and producing more work, unlike the execs at Enron, Goldman Sachs, et al showering themselves with extravagant vacation, parties, golf courses, and gambling on a market by "borrowing" your money - those are the real scam artists.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd say he 's an honest artist .
If you go back to DaVinci , or even Cimabue , no one does art without money/ resources .
Every single artist in time did it as a * job * , albeit the famous one did it with passion and more talent than its contemporaries.In short , artists make art for money ; they use that money to sustain themselves in order to make more art .
Larsen is being honest about his art and producing more work , unlike the execs at Enron , Goldman Sachs , et al showering themselves with extravagant vacation , parties , golf courses , and gambling on a market by " borrowing " your money - those are the real scam artists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd say he's an honest artist.
If you go back to DaVinci, or even Cimabue, no one does art without money/ resources.
Every single artist in time did it as a *job*, albeit the famous one did it with passion and more talent than its contemporaries.In short, artists make art for money; they use that money to sustain themselves in order to make more art.
Larsen is being honest about his art and producing more work, unlike the execs at Enron, Goldman Sachs, et al showering themselves with extravagant vacation, parties, golf courses, and gambling on a market by "borrowing" your money - those are the real scam artists.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30887640</id>
	<title>Re:It's not that nerds don't "get" art</title>
	<author>Jedi Alec</author>
	<datestamp>1264415820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Congrats, you're a nerd and you don't get it.</p><p>Art is in the eye of the beholder. I find this piece to be interesting, funny and though-provoking. Therefore to me it is art. Your opinion...is irrelevant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Congrats , you 're a nerd and you do n't get it.Art is in the eye of the beholder .
I find this piece to be interesting , funny and though-provoking .
Therefore to me it is art .
Your opinion...is irrelevant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Congrats, you're a nerd and you don't get it.Art is in the eye of the beholder.
I find this piece to be interesting, funny and though-provoking.
Therefore to me it is art.
Your opinion...is irrelevant.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
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	<title>Re:so...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264365300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you can rip it and upload it to Piratebay.org, of course.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you can rip it and upload it to Piratebay.org , of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you can rip it and upload it to Piratebay.org, of course.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877506</id>
	<title>Re:It is art...</title>
	<author>initialE</author>
	<datestamp>1264339260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm gonna waste my mod point here, but by your definition I could call gold farming an art. That is just as surely the making of something (money) from nothing (a WoW account and trust in Blizzard not to take your gold away).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm gon na waste my mod point here , but by your definition I could call gold farming an art .
That is just as surely the making of something ( money ) from nothing ( a WoW account and trust in Blizzard not to take your gold away ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm gonna waste my mod point here, but by your definition I could call gold farming an art.
That is just as surely the making of something (money) from nothing (a WoW account and trust in Blizzard not to take your gold away).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878110</id>
	<title>Re:Stupid cube art.</title>
	<author>Alomex</author>
	<datestamp>1264347360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>As Frank Lloyd Wright pointed out, you can have very simple geometric forms, but the materials and finishes must be very well chosen.</i></p><p>Modern art so lacks workmanship. I recall a piece at the <b>MoMA</b> (I think) made of some candle holders with light bulbs instead of candles. Altogether the idea wasn't bad, but I just couldn't get past the inferior soldering and the wires protruding all over the place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As Frank Lloyd Wright pointed out , you can have very simple geometric forms , but the materials and finishes must be very well chosen.Modern art so lacks workmanship .
I recall a piece at the MoMA ( I think ) made of some candle holders with light bulbs instead of candles .
Altogether the idea was n't bad , but I just could n't get past the inferior soldering and the wires protruding all over the place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As Frank Lloyd Wright pointed out, you can have very simple geometric forms, but the materials and finishes must be very well chosen.Modern art so lacks workmanship.
I recall a piece at the MoMA (I think) made of some candle holders with light bulbs instead of candles.
Altogether the idea wasn't bad, but I just couldn't get past the inferior soldering and the wires protruding all over the place.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30880312</id>
	<title>Re:so...</title>
	<author>Tacvek</author>
	<datestamp>1264361100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The descriptions of this are very inaccurate. The way this works is that you buy the art, but are basically perpetually obligated to sell the art to anybody who is willing to pay more for it than the current possessor paid. The way this works is by eBay action where the initial selling price is  set to the last sale price. If nobody buys the work by the end of the auction period, it relists itself.</p><p>The idea of selling weekly is very naive. Rather it is always sold within 7 days of somebody willing to pay more than the current listing price, which defaults to the purchase price.</p><p>Further, once every four months, the work of art may be re-assessed by the current collector, as to the expected market value. The current owner may choose any listing price that does not exceed the new assessment. This is a bit of a gamble though, as if the assessment is for less than the price paid, the current collector could be forced to sell for a loss, depending on the auction results.</p><p>But the basic idea is that this is an object that you are required to sell to anybody who is willing to pay more for it than you did.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The descriptions of this are very inaccurate .
The way this works is that you buy the art , but are basically perpetually obligated to sell the art to anybody who is willing to pay more for it than the current possessor paid .
The way this works is by eBay action where the initial selling price is set to the last sale price .
If nobody buys the work by the end of the auction period , it relists itself.The idea of selling weekly is very naive .
Rather it is always sold within 7 days of somebody willing to pay more than the current listing price , which defaults to the purchase price.Further , once every four months , the work of art may be re-assessed by the current collector , as to the expected market value .
The current owner may choose any listing price that does not exceed the new assessment .
This is a bit of a gamble though , as if the assessment is for less than the price paid , the current collector could be forced to sell for a loss , depending on the auction results.But the basic idea is that this is an object that you are required to sell to anybody who is willing to pay more for it than you did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The descriptions of this are very inaccurate.
The way this works is that you buy the art, but are basically perpetually obligated to sell the art to anybody who is willing to pay more for it than the current possessor paid.
The way this works is by eBay action where the initial selling price is  set to the last sale price.
If nobody buys the work by the end of the auction period, it relists itself.The idea of selling weekly is very naive.
Rather it is always sold within 7 days of somebody willing to pay more than the current listing price, which defaults to the purchase price.Further, once every four months, the work of art may be re-assessed by the current collector, as to the expected market value.
The current owner may choose any listing price that does not exceed the new assessment.
This is a bit of a gamble though, as if the assessment is for less than the price paid, the current collector could be forced to sell for a loss, depending on the auction results.But the basic idea is that this is an object that you are required to sell to anybody who is willing to pay more for it than you did.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
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	<title>Re:so...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264325520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now a days "artwork" seem to be mostly about doing weird things and calling that art. An artist in Finland was awarded tens of thousands euros of government art aid for walking <a href="http://yfrog.com/0fclipboardskj6i1333j" title="yfrog.com">this piece</a> [yfrog.com] around a city.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now a days " artwork " seem to be mostly about doing weird things and calling that art .
An artist in Finland was awarded tens of thousands euros of government art aid for walking this piece [ yfrog.com ] around a city .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now a days "artwork" seem to be mostly about doing weird things and calling that art.
An artist in Finland was awarded tens of thousands euros of government art aid for walking this piece [yfrog.com] around a city.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877570</id>
	<title>Re:It's the perfect scam!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264340220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, I think you have just perfectly described pretty much all "modern art", not just this.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I think you have just perfectly described pretty much all " modern art " , not just this .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I think you have just perfectly described pretty much all "modern art", not just this.
:)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876628</id>
	<title>Re:so...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264366140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only that, if you look at the "artwork" its self, it's just a glossy black cube.  That is the most baffling thing to me about it.  The fact that someone would actually pay 4 grand to own an otherwise featureless black cube for a week.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only that , if you look at the " artwork " its self , it 's just a glossy black cube .
That is the most baffling thing to me about it .
The fact that someone would actually pay 4 grand to own an otherwise featureless black cube for a week .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only that, if you look at the "artwork" its self, it's just a glossy black cube.
That is the most baffling thing to me about it.
The fact that someone would actually pay 4 grand to own an otherwise featureless black cube for a week.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:No such thing as 1st Sale Doctrine outside USA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264345500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I didn't read an implication anywhere about the rest of the world wanting to be American.  Does the fact that you brought it up mean that you *actually* wish you could be one?</p><p>Silly Amerans, what with their rights and freedoms and not worshiping bloodlines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did n't read an implication anywhere about the rest of the world wanting to be American .
Does the fact that you brought it up mean that you * actually * wish you could be one ? Silly Amerans , what with their rights and freedoms and not worshiping bloodlines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I didn't read an implication anywhere about the rest of the world wanting to be American.
Does the fact that you brought it up mean that you *actually* wish you could be one?Silly Amerans, what with their rights and freedoms and not worshiping bloodlines.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877594</id>
	<title>This guy is a scam artist</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264340640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I took a look at some of his other 'art' on his website.
<br> <br>
One of his pieces of 'art' is a dollar bill acceptor on a plain white wall.  Once $10,000 dollars is reached, the money is split between Larsen and whoever owns the acceptor.  Then it starts again.
<br> <br>
Another piece of 'art' was the purchaser of the 'art' assuming Larsen's credit card bills.
<br> <br>
Another was a 'donor plaque', in which the more you gave, the bigger your name was on the plaque.
<br> <br>
All of his newest pieces of 'art' just seem to be money makers for himself that prey on people who want to seem like they are hip to the 'art scene.'</htmltext>
<tokenext>I took a look at some of his other 'art ' on his website .
One of his pieces of 'art ' is a dollar bill acceptor on a plain white wall .
Once $ 10,000 dollars is reached , the money is split between Larsen and whoever owns the acceptor .
Then it starts again .
Another piece of 'art ' was the purchaser of the 'art ' assuming Larsen 's credit card bills .
Another was a 'donor plaque ' , in which the more you gave , the bigger your name was on the plaque .
All of his newest pieces of 'art ' just seem to be money makers for himself that prey on people who want to seem like they are hip to the 'art scene .
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I took a look at some of his other 'art' on his website.
One of his pieces of 'art' is a dollar bill acceptor on a plain white wall.
Once $10,000 dollars is reached, the money is split between Larsen and whoever owns the acceptor.
Then it starts again.
Another piece of 'art' was the purchaser of the 'art' assuming Larsen's credit card bills.
Another was a 'donor plaque', in which the more you gave, the bigger your name was on the plaque.
All of his newest pieces of 'art' just seem to be money makers for himself that prey on people who want to seem like they are hip to the 'art scene.
'</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876672</id>
	<title>It is art...</title>
	<author>gaelfx</author>
	<datestamp>1264323780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>...the art of making something (money) from nothing (black piece of plastic with a couple microchips built-in). Also could be considered the art of the pyramid scheme. Then again, the only people who would buy this probably have too much money anyhow, so at least it goes some distance towards the redistribution of wealth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...the art of making something ( money ) from nothing ( black piece of plastic with a couple microchips built-in ) .
Also could be considered the art of the pyramid scheme .
Then again , the only people who would buy this probably have too much money anyhow , so at least it goes some distance towards the redistribution of wealth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...the art of making something (money) from nothing (black piece of plastic with a couple microchips built-in).
Also could be considered the art of the pyramid scheme.
Then again, the only people who would buy this probably have too much money anyhow, so at least it goes some distance towards the redistribution of wealth.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878440</id>
	<title>The Art of the Con.</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1264350480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know if the artist is deliberately satirizing tulip bulb bubbles or not, but I think we all know what art is involved.</p><p>In the meantime you can buy <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Art-Con-Avoiding-Offender-Manipulation/dp/1569911479" title="amazon.com">The Art of the Con</a> [amazon.com] a good deal cheaper.</p><p>I hope the last buyer puts a teardown video on <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooSJ7C\_ww-o" title="youtube.com">Youtube</a> [youtube.com] for Ars Technica types.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know if the artist is deliberately satirizing tulip bulb bubbles or not , but I think we all know what art is involved.In the meantime you can buy The Art of the Con [ amazon.com ] a good deal cheaper.I hope the last buyer puts a teardown video on Youtube [ youtube.com ] for Ars Technica types .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know if the artist is deliberately satirizing tulip bulb bubbles or not, but I think we all know what art is involved.In the meantime you can buy The Art of the Con [amazon.com] a good deal cheaper.I hope the last buyer puts a teardown video on Youtube [youtube.com] for Ars Technica types.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Missing the point</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264364640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you guys are missing the point of this piece of art.   Think about the people who would spend $4500 on this piece of art to have it for one week - the same type of people who would spend thousands on a pair of shoes or whatever.   What makes an expensive women's purse worth $20,000?  Nothing except that because it is priced at $20,000 only a few people can afford it.</p><p>In the same way the artist has created a mechanism for artificially inflating the "value" of this plastic box with a computer inside - by making it so that you can only possess it for a short period of time.</p><p>It is a great tool - "a tool to deceive and slaughter"; an inside joke whereby if you "buy" the piece of artwork you are the very object that the tool was designed for.</p><p>That's my interpretation of it.  I think its sheer genius.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you guys are missing the point of this piece of art .
Think about the people who would spend $ 4500 on this piece of art to have it for one week - the same type of people who would spend thousands on a pair of shoes or whatever .
What makes an expensive women 's purse worth $ 20,000 ?
Nothing except that because it is priced at $ 20,000 only a few people can afford it.In the same way the artist has created a mechanism for artificially inflating the " value " of this plastic box with a computer inside - by making it so that you can only possess it for a short period of time.It is a great tool - " a tool to deceive and slaughter " ; an inside joke whereby if you " buy " the piece of artwork you are the very object that the tool was designed for.That 's my interpretation of it .
I think its sheer genius .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you guys are missing the point of this piece of art.
Think about the people who would spend $4500 on this piece of art to have it for one week - the same type of people who would spend thousands on a pair of shoes or whatever.
What makes an expensive women's purse worth $20,000?
Nothing except that because it is priced at $20,000 only a few people can afford it.In the same way the artist has created a mechanism for artificially inflating the "value" of this plastic box with a computer inside - by making it so that you can only possess it for a short period of time.It is a great tool - "a tool to deceive and slaughter"; an inside joke whereby if you "buy" the piece of artwork you are the very object that the tool was designed for.That's my interpretation of it.
I think its sheer genius.</sentencetext>
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	<title>It's the perfect scam!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264324260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's uh, all I really had to say</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's uh , all I really had to say</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's uh, all I really had to say</sentencetext>
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	<title>It's The Bottle Imp by Robert Louis Stevenson</title>
	<author>jdigriz</author>
	<datestamp>1264350780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This piece of art reminds me of The Bottle Imp by Robert Louis Stevenson.  In that story, the bottle had to be resold for less than you paid for it.  Similar concept though <a href="http://classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts/rlstevenson/bl-rlst-bot.htm" title="about.com" rel="nofollow">http://classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts/rlstevenson/bl-rlst-bot.htm</a> [about.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>This piece of art reminds me of The Bottle Imp by Robert Louis Stevenson .
In that story , the bottle had to be resold for less than you paid for it .
Similar concept though http : //classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts/rlstevenson/bl-rlst-bot.htm [ about.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This piece of art reminds me of The Bottle Imp by Robert Louis Stevenson.
In that story, the bottle had to be resold for less than you paid for it.
Similar concept though http://classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts/rlstevenson/bl-rlst-bot.htm [about.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879260</id>
	<title>Re:Stupid cube art.</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1264355280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The classic example is the work of art that the janitor cleaned up and threw away the night after the opening party because s/he thought it was just trash left by the people who were at the opening party.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The classic example is the work of art that the janitor cleaned up and threw away the night after the opening party because s/he thought it was just trash left by the people who were at the opening party .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The classic example is the work of art that the janitor cleaned up and threw away the night after the opening party because s/he thought it was just trash left by the people who were at the opening party.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30880662</id>
	<title>Re:Art?</title>
	<author>kmcarr</author>
	<datestamp>1264362720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For something to be defined as art it has to have no purpose or function other than itself.</p></div><p>So if I'm using a Rembrandt to cover up a hole in my drywall is no longer art?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For something to be defined as art it has to have no purpose or function other than itself.So if I 'm using a Rembrandt to cover up a hole in my drywall is no longer art ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For something to be defined as art it has to have no purpose or function other than itself.So if I'm using a Rembrandt to cover up a hole in my drywall is no longer art?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879478</id>
	<title>Is this guy related to P.T. Barnum?</title>
	<author>p51d007</author>
	<datestamp>1264356720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh I wonder how many STUPID people will bid on this piece of plastic, just so they can one up the rest of their snotty friends.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh I wonder how many STUPID people will bid on this piece of plastic , just so they can one up the rest of their snotty friends .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh I wonder how many STUPID people will bid on this piece of plastic, just so they can one up the rest of their snotty friends.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879270</id>
	<title>Re:This guy is a scam artist</title>
	<author>Squiggle</author>
	<datestamp>1264355400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it is an interesting approach, sort of a fun play on words. An artist whose medium is the scam? It isn't like the patrons of his work are unknowingly duped, they know the work is "built with scam", purposely investigating just how scammy the work feels to different people. At the same time he is investigating alternate forms of funding for artists, which is an incredibly contemporary and important issue in a digital world. Until you literally buy into one of the works and participate, you only have an outsiders feeling/experience whether the new funding model just seems like a scam because it is so foreign.</p><p>I have no plans on being one of his patrons.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it is an interesting approach , sort of a fun play on words .
An artist whose medium is the scam ?
It is n't like the patrons of his work are unknowingly duped , they know the work is " built with scam " , purposely investigating just how scammy the work feels to different people .
At the same time he is investigating alternate forms of funding for artists , which is an incredibly contemporary and important issue in a digital world .
Until you literally buy into one of the works and participate , you only have an outsiders feeling/experience whether the new funding model just seems like a scam because it is so foreign.I have no plans on being one of his patrons .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it is an interesting approach, sort of a fun play on words.
An artist whose medium is the scam?
It isn't like the patrons of his work are unknowingly duped, they know the work is "built with scam", purposely investigating just how scammy the work feels to different people.
At the same time he is investigating alternate forms of funding for artists, which is an incredibly contemporary and important issue in a digital world.
Until you literally buy into one of the works and participate, you only have an outsiders feeling/experience whether the new funding model just seems like a scam because it is so foreign.I have no plans on being one of his patrons.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30881190</id>
	<title>Re:so...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264365540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>That is the most baffling thing to me about it. The fact that someone would actually pay 4 grand to own an otherwise featureless black cube for a week.</i> </p><p>in unrelated news, stay tuned for the unveiling of the Apple tablet</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is the most baffling thing to me about it .
The fact that someone would actually pay 4 grand to own an otherwise featureless black cube for a week .
in unrelated news , stay tuned for the unveiling of the Apple tablet</tokentext>
<sentencetext> That is the most baffling thing to me about it.
The fact that someone would actually pay 4 grand to own an otherwise featureless black cube for a week.
in unrelated news, stay tuned for the unveiling of the Apple tablet</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879634</id>
	<title>What happens next?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264357920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What happens when the cube's batteries run down? What happens if no-one buys the item...will it just keep adding auctions when they run out, indefinitely? Does this violate eBay's Terms of Service?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when the cube 's batteries run down ?
What happens if no-one buys the item...will it just keep adding auctions when they run out , indefinitely ?
Does this violate eBay 's Terms of Service ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when the cube's batteries run down?
What happens if no-one buys the item...will it just keep adding auctions when they run out, indefinitely?
Does this violate eBay's Terms of Service?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879564</id>
	<title>It's not that nerds don't "get" art</title>
	<author>bradley13</author>
	<datestamp>1264357440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...it's that this is typical, self-indulgent stuff that does not deserve the name "art". Like painting a canvas all black, etc - this has nothing to do with providing pleasure to the viewer and everything to do with the artist's ego.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...it 's that this is typical , self-indulgent stuff that does not deserve the name " art " .
Like painting a canvas all black , etc - this has nothing to do with providing pleasure to the viewer and everything to do with the artist 's ego .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...it's that this is typical, self-indulgent stuff that does not deserve the name "art".
Like painting a canvas all black, etc - this has nothing to do with providing pleasure to the viewer and everything to do with the artist's ego.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30880364</id>
	<title>Gifting?</title>
	<author>Volntyr</author>
	<datestamp>1264361400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So if a person was to buy this off of eBay and then give it as a gift to the Amish, could that be allowed?  The internet connection requirement is satisfied as it is "in transport" but I am not sure if the gift receiever is under any contract to hook it up to a connection</htmltext>
<tokenext>So if a person was to buy this off of eBay and then give it as a gift to the Amish , could that be allowed ?
The internet connection requirement is satisfied as it is " in transport " but I am not sure if the gift receiever is under any contract to hook it up to a connection</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So if a person was to buy this off of eBay and then give it as a gift to the Amish, could that be allowed?
The internet connection requirement is satisfied as it is "in transport" but I am not sure if the gift receiever is under any contract to hook it up to a connection</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30893056</id>
	<title>Re:This guy is a scam artist</title>
	<author>Overzeetop</author>
	<datestamp>1264445760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WOW is entertainment. If you stretch it, you might even call it a competition. I would venture that it is much more of a stretch to call this entertainment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WOW is entertainment .
If you stretch it , you might even call it a competition .
I would venture that it is much more of a stretch to call this entertainment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WOW is entertainment.
If you stretch it, you might even call it a competition.
I would venture that it is much more of a stretch to call this entertainment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30883002</id>
	<title>Re:Does it open?</title>
	<author>pjt33</author>
	<datestamp>1264332720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My highschool art teacher had a special scowl when he told us about the commonly heard phrase among the plebes, "<i>I may not know anything about art, but I know what I like.</i>"</p> </div><p>As in, for example, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4oKXagF3IE" title="youtube.com">the Pope</a> [youtube.com]?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My highschool art teacher had a special scowl when he told us about the commonly heard phrase among the plebes , " I may not know anything about art , but I know what I like .
" As in , for example , the Pope [ youtube.com ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My highschool art teacher had a special scowl when he told us about the commonly heard phrase among the plebes, "I may not know anything about art, but I know what I like.
" As in, for example, the Pope [youtube.com]?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878324</id>
	<title>PKD</title>
	<author>Jaysyn</author>
	<datestamp>1264349280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I forget which book it's in, but the name &amp; appearance of this thing makes me think of the shapeshifting assassin-bot in one of Philip K. Dick's short stories.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I forget which book it 's in , but the name &amp; appearance of this thing makes me think of the shapeshifting assassin-bot in one of Philip K. Dick 's short stories .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I forget which book it's in, but the name &amp; appearance of this thing makes me think of the shapeshifting assassin-bot in one of Philip K. Dick's short stories.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879792</id>
	<title>Re:No such thing as 1st Sale Doctrine outside USA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264358760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Or maybe it doesn't exist, what with that being <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale\_doctrine" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">an American law</a> [wikipedia.org], and all, and the UK being a different country and all.</p><p>Why do Americans, and Slashdotters in particular, assume that the world's legal systems are based on the USA's?</p><p>With you being such a new country, you'd think you'd realise that your laws are an amalgam of what's gone before - and that Common Law or other branches were around a long time before your country existed.</p><p>The whole world doesn't want to be American you know.</p></div><p>Maybe he assumed the First Sale Doctrine was one of those laws we got from everyone else.</p><p>Maybe you're projecting your own issues onto what someone else wrote.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or maybe it does n't exist , what with that being an American law [ wikipedia.org ] , and all , and the UK being a different country and all.Why do Americans , and Slashdotters in particular , assume that the world 's legal systems are based on the USA 's ? With you being such a new country , you 'd think you 'd realise that your laws are an amalgam of what 's gone before - and that Common Law or other branches were around a long time before your country existed.The whole world does n't want to be American you know.Maybe he assumed the First Sale Doctrine was one of those laws we got from everyone else.Maybe you 're projecting your own issues onto what someone else wrote .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or maybe it doesn't exist, what with that being an American law [wikipedia.org], and all, and the UK being a different country and all.Why do Americans, and Slashdotters in particular, assume that the world's legal systems are based on the USA's?With you being such a new country, you'd think you'd realise that your laws are an amalgam of what's gone before - and that Common Law or other branches were around a long time before your country existed.The whole world doesn't want to be American you know.Maybe he assumed the First Sale Doctrine was one of those laws we got from everyone else.Maybe you're projecting your own issues onto what someone else wrote.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877978</id>
	<title>It's performance art, stupid.</title>
	<author>Fished</author>
	<datestamp>1264346340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Everbody's focused on the cube.  It's not about the cube.  It's about the tech--the cube is really just a case.  This is a novel form of performance art.  Would I pay to "see" it?  No.  Do I think it's particularly interesting?  No.  But think of it as an Internet play or something along those lines.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everbody 's focused on the cube .
It 's not about the cube .
It 's about the tech--the cube is really just a case .
This is a novel form of performance art .
Would I pay to " see " it ?
No. Do I think it 's particularly interesting ?
No. But think of it as an Internet play or something along those lines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everbody's focused on the cube.
It's not about the cube.
It's about the tech--the cube is really just a case.
This is a novel form of performance art.
Would I pay to "see" it?
No.  Do I think it's particularly interesting?
No.  But think of it as an Internet play or something along those lines.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878940</id>
	<title>Re:so...</title>
	<author>ilsaloving</author>
	<datestamp>1264353480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean... like DRM'ed books, music, etc?</p><p>As soon as the authenticating server goes down, there goes your entire investment.  Or the company decides they don't want you to have it anymore (eg: Amazon)</p><p>This cube is a physical allegory of digital content and culture, and how people have allowed companies to redefine the concept of ownership to be an ephemeral thing, totally dependant on the whims of the producing company.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean... like DRM'ed books , music , etc ? As soon as the authenticating server goes down , there goes your entire investment .
Or the company decides they do n't want you to have it anymore ( eg : Amazon ) This cube is a physical allegory of digital content and culture , and how people have allowed companies to redefine the concept of ownership to be an ephemeral thing , totally dependant on the whims of the producing company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean... like DRM'ed books, music, etc?As soon as the authenticating server goes down, there goes your entire investment.
Or the company decides they don't want you to have it anymore (eg: Amazon)This cube is a physical allegory of digital content and culture, and how people have allowed companies to redefine the concept of ownership to be an ephemeral thing, totally dependant on the whims of the producing company.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876858</id>
	<title>All I'm gonna say is...</title>
	<author>Evil.Bonsai</author>
	<datestamp>1264326900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...it better pack/box itself, bring itself to the shipper and pay it's own shipping fees after it sells itself automatically, otherwise, it's going to stay on the shelf where it belongs.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/not that I'd every buy such a stupid NOT-ART object, anyway.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>//dammit why didn't I think of this!?</htmltext>
<tokenext>...it better pack/box itself , bring itself to the shipper and pay it 's own shipping fees after it sells itself automatically , otherwise , it 's going to stay on the shelf where it belongs .
/not that I 'd every buy such a stupid NOT-ART object , anyway .
//dammit why did n't I think of this !
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...it better pack/box itself, bring itself to the shipper and pay it's own shipping fees after it sells itself automatically, otherwise, it's going to stay on the shelf where it belongs.
/not that I'd every buy such a stupid NOT-ART object, anyway.
//dammit why didn't I think of this!
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877276</id>
	<title>No such thing as 1st Sale Doctrine outside USA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264335120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Maybe the First Sale Doctrine works differently in the UK."</p><p>Or maybe it doesn't exist, what with that being <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale\_doctrine" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">an American law</a> [wikipedia.org], and all, and the UK being a different country and all.</p><p>Why do Americans, and Slashdotters in particular, assume that the world's legal systems are based on the USA's?</p><p>With you being such a new country, you'd think you'd realise that your laws are an amalgam of what's gone before - and that Common Law or other branches were around a long time before your country existed.</p><p>The whole world doesn't want to be American you know.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Maybe the First Sale Doctrine works differently in the UK .
" Or maybe it does n't exist , what with that being an American law [ wikipedia.org ] , and all , and the UK being a different country and all.Why do Americans , and Slashdotters in particular , assume that the world 's legal systems are based on the USA 's ? With you being such a new country , you 'd think you 'd realise that your laws are an amalgam of what 's gone before - and that Common Law or other branches were around a long time before your country existed.The whole world does n't want to be American you know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Maybe the First Sale Doctrine works differently in the UK.
"Or maybe it doesn't exist, what with that being an American law [wikipedia.org], and all, and the UK being a different country and all.Why do Americans, and Slashdotters in particular, assume that the world's legal systems are based on the USA's?With you being such a new country, you'd think you'd realise that your laws are an amalgam of what's gone before - and that Common Law or other branches were around a long time before your country existed.The whole world doesn't want to be American you know.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876740</id>
	<title>Re:Art?</title>
	<author>azgard</author>
	<datestamp>1264325100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not really a scam, it's a black-box-as-a-service (BBaaS).</p><p>I personally look forward to cloud-as-a-service (CaaS).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not really a scam , it 's a black-box-as-a-service ( BBaaS ) .I personally look forward to cloud-as-a-service ( CaaS ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not really a scam, it's a black-box-as-a-service (BBaaS).I personally look forward to cloud-as-a-service (CaaS).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876778</id>
	<title>Re:Clever way to circumvent first sale.</title>
	<author>Jafafa Hots</author>
	<datestamp>1264325580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you buy it, smash it and post a video of you doing that on youtube... declare that to be art - performance art... plus declare that the individual pieces have become new, unique individual pieces of artwork based on some bullshit premise you spew... and thus you have create some kind of meta-meta art.</p><p>And also declare it as the world's first anti-art, on the basis that your "work of art" magically transformed it from art to not-art due to the original artists assertion that it would no longer be his art...</p><p>Then sell these rare, valuable fragments of your meta art anti-art individually on ebay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you buy it , smash it and post a video of you doing that on youtube... declare that to be art - performance art... plus declare that the individual pieces have become new , unique individual pieces of artwork based on some bullshit premise you spew... and thus you have create some kind of meta-meta art.And also declare it as the world 's first anti-art , on the basis that your " work of art " magically transformed it from art to not-art due to the original artists assertion that it would no longer be his art...Then sell these rare , valuable fragments of your meta art anti-art individually on ebay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you buy it, smash it and post a video of you doing that on youtube... declare that to be art - performance art... plus declare that the individual pieces have become new, unique individual pieces of artwork based on some bullshit premise you spew... and thus you have create some kind of meta-meta art.And also declare it as the world's first anti-art, on the basis that your "work of art" magically transformed it from art to not-art due to the original artists assertion that it would no longer be his art...Then sell these rare, valuable fragments of your meta art anti-art individually on ebay.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876640</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like a pyramid scheme</title>
	<author>BrokenHalo</author>
	<datestamp>1264366440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is a scam for the artist, but if you read TFA, you will see that it says "<i>give Larsen 15 percent of any <b>increase in value</b> of the artwork</i>". It would be salutary if the value of the work went down, so the vendor could send him an invoice.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is a scam for the artist , but if you read TFA , you will see that it says " give Larsen 15 percent of any increase in value of the artwork " .
It would be salutary if the value of the work went down , so the vendor could send him an invoice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is a scam for the artist, but if you read TFA, you will see that it says "give Larsen 15 percent of any increase in value of the artwork".
It would be salutary if the value of the work went down, so the vendor could send him an invoice.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876606</id>
	<title>Re:Art?</title>
	<author>Mononoke</author>
	<datestamp>1264365660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> This is attention-mongering and marketing.</p></div></blockquote><p>

That's art.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is attention-mongering and marketing .
That 's art .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> This is attention-mongering and marketing.
That's art.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877882</id>
	<title>Idea for a movie</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1264345080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, we have a mysterious plastic cube that automatically sells itself after a week. How about, during that one week it releases a noxious chemical, or a bacterium, which then eventually kills the owner (say, after about a few months)? A chain of mysterious deaths, "untraceable" (in Hollywood movies you can have plotholes as big as goatse asshole), terrifying...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , we have a mysterious plastic cube that automatically sells itself after a week .
How about , during that one week it releases a noxious chemical , or a bacterium , which then eventually kills the owner ( say , after about a few months ) ?
A chain of mysterious deaths , " untraceable " ( in Hollywood movies you can have plotholes as big as goatse asshole ) , terrifying.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, we have a mysterious plastic cube that automatically sells itself after a week.
How about, during that one week it releases a noxious chemical, or a bacterium, which then eventually kills the owner (say, after about a few months)?
A chain of mysterious deaths, "untraceable" (in Hollywood movies you can have plotholes as big as goatse asshole), terrifying...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30896502</id>
	<title>Re:This guy is a scam artist</title>
	<author>Ol Olsoc</author>
	<datestamp>1264416720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The dollar bill machine on the blank wall is kind of funny. Sort of shows what you'll be getting for your money. But otherwise this fellow is a hack, and unless he's enjoying a practical joke, is just another scammer. Wonder if he can produce anything that someone might want to look at?
<p>
Keep an eye out to see if he uses the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. comments in his next work of art.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The dollar bill machine on the blank wall is kind of funny .
Sort of shows what you 'll be getting for your money .
But otherwise this fellow is a hack , and unless he 's enjoying a practical joke , is just another scammer .
Wonder if he can produce anything that someone might want to look at ?
Keep an eye out to see if he uses the / .
comments in his next work of art .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The dollar bill machine on the blank wall is kind of funny.
Sort of shows what you'll be getting for your money.
But otherwise this fellow is a hack, and unless he's enjoying a practical joke, is just another scammer.
Wonder if he can produce anything that someone might want to look at?
Keep an eye out to see if he uses the /.
comments in his next work of art.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878680</id>
	<title>Re:Arduino</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264351980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Can I build a commercial product based on Arduino?</p><p>Yes, with the following conditions:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Physically embedding an Arduino board inside a commercial product does not require you to disclose or open-source any information about its design.</p> </div><p>http://arduino.cc/en/Main/FAQ</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can I build a commercial product based on Arduino ? Yes , with the following conditions :         * Physically embedding an Arduino board inside a commercial product does not require you to disclose or open-source any information about its design .
http : //arduino.cc/en/Main/FAQ</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Can I build a commercial product based on Arduino?Yes, with the following conditions:
        * Physically embedding an Arduino board inside a commercial product does not require you to disclose or open-source any information about its design.
http://arduino.cc/en/Main/FAQ
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30880844</id>
	<title>Your eBay account</title>
	<author>Secret Agent X23</author>
	<datestamp>1264363500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, it would seem to me that this would require giving the... uh, object, and by extension Larsen himself, access to your eBay account if you win. Unless I'm missing something, that would seem to be the only way it could start a new auction.</p><p>While I'm sure he doesn't have any ideas about ripping people off (beyond the stated idea behind the auction itself, in regard to which I'm in the "scam" camp), that just doesn't sit right with me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , it would seem to me that this would require giving the... uh , object , and by extension Larsen himself , access to your eBay account if you win .
Unless I 'm missing something , that would seem to be the only way it could start a new auction.While I 'm sure he does n't have any ideas about ripping people off ( beyond the stated idea behind the auction itself , in regard to which I 'm in the " scam " camp ) , that just does n't sit right with me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, it would seem to me that this would require giving the... uh, object, and by extension Larsen himself, access to your eBay account if you win.
Unless I'm missing something, that would seem to be the only way it could start a new auction.While I'm sure he doesn't have any ideas about ripping people off (beyond the stated idea behind the auction itself, in regard to which I'm in the "scam" camp), that just doesn't sit right with me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879750</id>
	<title>Re:Erm....15 \% each time its sold?</title>
	<author>Ciggy</author>
	<datestamp>1264358460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>All the "rules" state is:<blockquote><div><p>"Appreciated Value" of the Work for the purposes of this Agreement, shall be the increase, if any, in the value or price of the Work over the price for which the Collector had purchased the Artwork.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
There is no statement that the increase has to be positive; mathematically, a decrease is a negative increase.  ergo according to the rule:</p><blockquote><div><p>In the event of a sale the Collector agrees to pay a sum equal to fifteen percent (15\%) of<i> the Appreciated Value</i> (as hereinafter defined), <i> <b>if any</b> </i></p></div>
</blockquote><p>
there is no limitation that the Appreciated Value (as defined above) has to be positive and so according to the rule</p><blockquote><div><p>occasioned by such transfer or distribution or payment of insurance proceeds to the Artist (or Artist's agent for the purpose) within thirty days of the sale.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
the artist  has 30 days to pay up (as that is the only way the seller can pay a negative amount).<br>
<br>
Interestingly, if the artist fails to pay up, this rule would surely kick in:</p><blockquote><div><p>Any failure to follow these terms without prior consent of Artist will forfeit the status of the Artwork as a legitimate work of art. The item will no longer be considered a genuine work by the Artist and any value associated with it will be reduced to its value as a material object and not a work of art.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
and the artist would no longer consider it a work of art.  Similarly, should a renter^Wpurchaser of the item fail to keep to the conditions, this rule would also kick in.</p><p>However, I wonder exactly how the original "artist" is going to cope if someone like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcel\_Duchamp" title="wikipedia.org">Marcel Duchamp</a> [wikipedia.org], takes the now material object and attaches the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Found\_art" title="wikipedia.org">found art</a> [wikipedia.org] moniker to it, calls it something like "black cube", signs it with white paint and declares it as art again?</p></div>
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<tokenext>All the " rules " state is : " Appreciated Value " of the Work for the purposes of this Agreement , shall be the increase , if any , in the value or price of the Work over the price for which the Collector had purchased the Artwork .
There is no statement that the increase has to be positive ; mathematically , a decrease is a negative increase .
ergo according to the rule : In the event of a sale the Collector agrees to pay a sum equal to fifteen percent ( 15 \ % ) of the Appreciated Value ( as hereinafter defined ) , if any there is no limitation that the Appreciated Value ( as defined above ) has to be positive and so according to the ruleoccasioned by such transfer or distribution or payment of insurance proceeds to the Artist ( or Artist 's agent for the purpose ) within thirty days of the sale .
the artist has 30 days to pay up ( as that is the only way the seller can pay a negative amount ) .
Interestingly , if the artist fails to pay up , this rule would surely kick in : Any failure to follow these terms without prior consent of Artist will forfeit the status of the Artwork as a legitimate work of art .
The item will no longer be considered a genuine work by the Artist and any value associated with it will be reduced to its value as a material object and not a work of art .
and the artist would no longer consider it a work of art .
Similarly , should a renter ^ Wpurchaser of the item fail to keep to the conditions , this rule would also kick in.However , I wonder exactly how the original " artist " is going to cope if someone like Marcel Duchamp [ wikipedia.org ] , takes the now material object and attaches the found art [ wikipedia.org ] moniker to it , calls it something like " black cube " , signs it with white paint and declares it as art again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the "rules" state is:"Appreciated Value" of the Work for the purposes of this Agreement, shall be the increase, if any, in the value or price of the Work over the price for which the Collector had purchased the Artwork.
There is no statement that the increase has to be positive; mathematically, a decrease is a negative increase.
ergo according to the rule:In the event of a sale the Collector agrees to pay a sum equal to fifteen percent (15\%) of the Appreciated Value (as hereinafter defined),  if any 

there is no limitation that the Appreciated Value (as defined above) has to be positive and so according to the ruleoccasioned by such transfer or distribution or payment of insurance proceeds to the Artist (or Artist's agent for the purpose) within thirty days of the sale.
the artist  has 30 days to pay up (as that is the only way the seller can pay a negative amount).
Interestingly, if the artist fails to pay up, this rule would surely kick in:Any failure to follow these terms without prior consent of Artist will forfeit the status of the Artwork as a legitimate work of art.
The item will no longer be considered a genuine work by the Artist and any value associated with it will be reduced to its value as a material object and not a work of art.
and the artist would no longer consider it a work of art.
Similarly, should a renter^Wpurchaser of the item fail to keep to the conditions, this rule would also kick in.However, I wonder exactly how the original "artist" is going to cope if someone like Marcel Duchamp [wikipedia.org], takes the now material object and attaches the found art [wikipedia.org] moniker to it, calls it something like "black cube", signs it with white paint and declares it as art again?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877538</id>
	<title>Re:No such thing as 1st Sale Doctrine outside USA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264339740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh for craps sake. It does exist. From the wikipedia article you linked to:<br><i>Exhaustion of rights - A concept in EU law similar to the US "First-sale doctrine</i></p><p>Gee... sounds an awful lot like a first sale doctrine that works differently. Did you even notice the other wild-ass assumptions in your post?</p><p><i>Why do Americans, and Slashdotters in particular, assume that the world's legal systems are based on the USA's?</i><br>Errr... We do?</p><p><i>you'd think you'd realise that your laws are an amalgam of what's gone before - and that Common Law or other branches were around a long time before your country existed.</i><br>
&nbsp; That's kinda obvious. I mean, the only other alternative is that the founding fathers knew no history or systems of government other than monarchies when they drafted the constitution. That's just seems silly.</p><p><i>The whole world doesn't want to be American you know.</i><br>OMGWTFBBQ?</p><p>Strong statements require strong proof, and the only proof you offered us for your wack-ass statements is a single unrelated quote from the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. summary.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh for craps sake .
It does exist .
From the wikipedia article you linked to : Exhaustion of rights - A concept in EU law similar to the US " First-sale doctrineGee... sounds an awful lot like a first sale doctrine that works differently .
Did you even notice the other wild-ass assumptions in your post ? Why do Americans , and Slashdotters in particular , assume that the world 's legal systems are based on the USA 's ? Errr... We do ? you 'd think you 'd realise that your laws are an amalgam of what 's gone before - and that Common Law or other branches were around a long time before your country existed .
  That 's kinda obvious .
I mean , the only other alternative is that the founding fathers knew no history or systems of government other than monarchies when they drafted the constitution .
That 's just seems silly.The whole world does n't want to be American you know.OMGWTFBBQ ? Strong statements require strong proof , and the only proof you offered us for your wack-ass statements is a single unrelated quote from the / .
summary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh for craps sake.
It does exist.
From the wikipedia article you linked to:Exhaustion of rights - A concept in EU law similar to the US "First-sale doctrineGee... sounds an awful lot like a first sale doctrine that works differently.
Did you even notice the other wild-ass assumptions in your post?Why do Americans, and Slashdotters in particular, assume that the world's legal systems are based on the USA's?Errr... We do?you'd think you'd realise that your laws are an amalgam of what's gone before - and that Common Law or other branches were around a long time before your country existed.
  That's kinda obvious.
I mean, the only other alternative is that the founding fathers knew no history or systems of government other than monarchies when they drafted the constitution.
That's just seems silly.The whole world doesn't want to be American you know.OMGWTFBBQ?Strong statements require strong proof, and the only proof you offered us for your wack-ass statements is a single unrelated quote from the /.
summary.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876638</id>
	<title>Re:Art?</title>
	<author>DreamsAreOkToo</author>
	<datestamp>1264366380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To be perfectly honest, I find this much more interesting and artistic than a lot of modern "art."</p><p>For example, I believe these <a href="http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=yPlbS5ioEp-sNaXPxPwO&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=spell&amp;resnum=0&amp;ct=result&amp;cd=1&amp;q=Marvin+Lipofsky&amp;spell=1&amp;start=0" title="google.com">Blobs of Glass</a> [google.com] are little more than interesting candy dishes (not $20,000+ works of art).</p><p>The black cube satisfies a lot of requirements for great art, in my mind.</p><p>1) It's different. I haven't seen anything like this before.<br>2) It is a one-of-a-kind. The market really can't support more than one of these.<br>3) It generates interest all by itself. (Any market it creates is all self-generated buzz. Most other art is only successful because of heavy marketing campaigns and artist self promotion).<br>4) It says something about our current society (There are a lot of ways you can interpret this piece).<br>5) It is a shared experience.</p><p>Compare it to the candy dish blobs. They look a lot like things you can buy at Wallymart. There's thousands of them. The artist is mostly successful because of heavy marketing. There's no real interpretations besides "Wow, psychedelic man!" I'm unsure that anyone discusses the artistic genius of the glass-blobs, so I don't feel they qualify as a shared experience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To be perfectly honest , I find this much more interesting and artistic than a lot of modern " art .
" For example , I believe these Blobs of Glass [ google.com ] are little more than interesting candy dishes ( not $ 20,000 + works of art ) .The black cube satisfies a lot of requirements for great art , in my mind.1 ) It 's different .
I have n't seen anything like this before.2 ) It is a one-of-a-kind .
The market really ca n't support more than one of these.3 ) It generates interest all by itself .
( Any market it creates is all self-generated buzz .
Most other art is only successful because of heavy marketing campaigns and artist self promotion ) .4 ) It says something about our current society ( There are a lot of ways you can interpret this piece ) .5 ) It is a shared experience.Compare it to the candy dish blobs .
They look a lot like things you can buy at Wallymart .
There 's thousands of them .
The artist is mostly successful because of heavy marketing .
There 's no real interpretations besides " Wow , psychedelic man !
" I 'm unsure that anyone discusses the artistic genius of the glass-blobs , so I do n't feel they qualify as a shared experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be perfectly honest, I find this much more interesting and artistic than a lot of modern "art.
"For example, I believe these Blobs of Glass [google.com] are little more than interesting candy dishes (not $20,000+ works of art).The black cube satisfies a lot of requirements for great art, in my mind.1) It's different.
I haven't seen anything like this before.2) It is a one-of-a-kind.
The market really can't support more than one of these.3) It generates interest all by itself.
(Any market it creates is all self-generated buzz.
Most other art is only successful because of heavy marketing campaigns and artist self promotion).4) It says something about our current society (There are a lot of ways you can interpret this piece).5) It is a shared experience.Compare it to the candy dish blobs.
They look a lot like things you can buy at Wallymart.
There's thousands of them.
The artist is mostly successful because of heavy marketing.
There's no real interpretations besides "Wow, psychedelic man!
" I'm unsure that anyone discusses the artistic genius of the glass-blobs, so I don't feel they qualify as a shared experience.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877142</id>
	<title>!art</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264332840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>It's not artwork. It's just a computer in a black cubic case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not artwork .
It 's just a computer in a black cubic case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not artwork.
It's just a computer in a black cubic case.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878168</id>
	<title>Re:Art?</title>
	<author>Chris Mattern</author>
	<datestamp>1264347960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I always liked Scott McCloud's definition in \_Understanding Comics\_, which is similar to Zappa's but a little narrower, and, I think, more useful: art is anything a human does that is not related to his drives for food/gain or sex.  In fact, you could make a case that this is *not* art even by this very broad definition if you postulate that it was done solely to make money for the "artist".</p><p>As with Zappa's definition, using it means that "art" contains no implication of quality.  Something really bad can still be "art", it's just *bad* art.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I always liked Scott McCloud 's definition in \ _Understanding Comics \ _ , which is similar to Zappa 's but a little narrower , and , I think , more useful : art is anything a human does that is not related to his drives for food/gain or sex .
In fact , you could make a case that this is * not * art even by this very broad definition if you postulate that it was done solely to make money for the " artist " .As with Zappa 's definition , using it means that " art " contains no implication of quality .
Something really bad can still be " art " , it 's just * bad * art .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always liked Scott McCloud's definition in \_Understanding Comics\_, which is similar to Zappa's but a little narrower, and, I think, more useful: art is anything a human does that is not related to his drives for food/gain or sex.
In fact, you could make a case that this is *not* art even by this very broad definition if you postulate that it was done solely to make money for the "artist".As with Zappa's definition, using it means that "art" contains no implication of quality.
Something really bad can still be "art", it's just *bad* art.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876898</id>
	<title>Re:Art?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264327980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have perhaps not properly been introduced to <a href="http://blog.swiftandbitter.com/2008/11/brief-history-of-art.html" title="swiftandbitter.com" rel="nofollow">art history</a> [swiftandbitter.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have perhaps not properly been introduced to art history [ swiftandbitter.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have perhaps not properly been introduced to art history [swiftandbitter.com].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30880594</id>
	<title>Are entertainers inherently artists?</title>
	<author>PeanutButterBreath</author>
	<datestamp>1264362420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because I am certainly entertained by his portfolio.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>All of his newest pieces of 'art' just seem to be money makers for himself that prey on people who want to seem like they are hip to the 'art scene.'</p></div><p>Is any seller of anything that is "preying" on someone's "wants" a scam artist now?  Just wants that you disapprove of?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because I am certainly entertained by his portfolio.All of his newest pieces of 'art ' just seem to be money makers for himself that prey on people who want to seem like they are hip to the 'art scene .
'Is any seller of anything that is " preying " on someone 's " wants " a scam artist now ?
Just wants that you disapprove of ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because I am certainly entertained by his portfolio.All of his newest pieces of 'art' just seem to be money makers for himself that prey on people who want to seem like they are hip to the 'art scene.
'Is any seller of anything that is "preying" on someone's "wants" a scam artist now?
Just wants that you disapprove of?
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	<title>art = !art</title>
	<author>koiransuklaa</author>
	<datestamp>1264362840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not just a computer in a black cubic case. It's artwork.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not just a computer in a black cubic case .
It 's artwork .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not just a computer in a black cubic case.
It's artwork.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876636</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like a pyramid scheme</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264366200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Not unless the artist makes more than one of them.
</p><p>
The market won't bear arbitrary price increases.
</p><p>
Of course, if successful, the more hands the thing changes, the more notorious the piece of art will be, and the greater the value the market will bear...
</p><p>
The difference is a pyramid scheme seeks to involve as many people as possible.
With an item such as this, it's only one buyer.
</p><p>
And the terms prohibit pricing the item above what the market will bear.
</p><p>
So there's a great deal of risk involved for the buyer.....  the 'value of the item' could go down..
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not unless the artist makes more than one of them .
The market wo n't bear arbitrary price increases .
Of course , if successful , the more hands the thing changes , the more notorious the piece of art will be , and the greater the value the market will bear.. . The difference is a pyramid scheme seeks to involve as many people as possible .
With an item such as this , it 's only one buyer .
And the terms prohibit pricing the item above what the market will bear .
So there 's a great deal of risk involved for the buyer..... the 'value of the item ' could go down. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Not unless the artist makes more than one of them.
The market won't bear arbitrary price increases.
Of course, if successful, the more hands the thing changes, the more notorious the piece of art will be, and the greater the value the market will bear...

The difference is a pyramid scheme seeks to involve as many people as possible.
With an item such as this, it's only one buyer.
And the terms prohibit pricing the item above what the market will bear.
So there's a great deal of risk involved for the buyer.....  the 'value of the item' could go down..
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879138</id>
	<title>It makes every worm writer...</title>
	<author>aflag</author>
	<datestamp>1264354740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>an artist.</htmltext>
<tokenext>an artist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>an artist.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30880434</id>
	<title>Is there a camera in the box?</title>
	<author>slipangle</author>
	<datestamp>1264361700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think there's a camera and a microphone in the box.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think there 's a camera and a microphone in the box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think there's a camera and a microphone in the box.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877062</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like a pyramid scheme</title>
	<author>h4rm0ny</author>
	<datestamp>1264331280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><br>
Yes, but I can see this appealing to a certain mindset. It's like a hot potato - got to pass it on! Last one with it gets the bill!. I can completely see people with certain traits (one of which is money) loving having this in their living room to show off or just look at. Even black cubes can gain value through ephemerity it seems.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)
<br> <br>
So it's like a pyramid scheme in the aspect of Devil takes the Hindmost, unlike a pyramid scheme, it's cool! +1 Original for the artist.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , but I can see this appealing to a certain mindset .
It 's like a hot potato - got to pass it on !
Last one with it gets the bill ! .
I can completely see people with certain traits ( one of which is money ) loving having this in their living room to show off or just look at .
Even black cubes can gain value through ephemerity it seems .
: ) So it 's like a pyramid scheme in the aspect of Devil takes the Hindmost , unlike a pyramid scheme , it 's cool !
+ 1 Original for the artist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Yes, but I can see this appealing to a certain mindset.
It's like a hot potato - got to pass it on!
Last one with it gets the bill!.
I can completely see people with certain traits (one of which is money) loving having this in their living room to show off or just look at.
Even black cubes can gain value through ephemerity it seems.
:)
 
So it's like a pyramid scheme in the aspect of Devil takes the Hindmost, unlike a pyramid scheme, it's cool!
+1 Original for the artist.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876646</id>
	<title>business model for the information age</title>
	<author>benjamindees</author>
	<datestamp>1264366560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Would make an interesting sales model for a self-replicating machine.</p><p>Buy it.  Use it to make as many copies as you can in a set period of time.  Then you have to re-sell it and send a percentage of the profits back to the originator.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would make an interesting sales model for a self-replicating machine.Buy it .
Use it to make as many copies as you can in a set period of time .
Then you have to re-sell it and send a percentage of the profits back to the originator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would make an interesting sales model for a self-replicating machine.Buy it.
Use it to make as many copies as you can in a set period of time.
Then you have to re-sell it and send a percentage of the profits back to the originator.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878788</id>
	<title>Re:Stupid cube art.</title>
	<author>Nf1nk</author>
	<datestamp>1264352700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>As Frank Lloyd Wright pointed out, you can have very simple geometric forms, but the materials and finishes must be very well chosen.</i> </p><p>Modern art so lacks workmanship. I recall a piece at the <b>MoMA</b> (I think) made of some candle holders with light bulbs instead of candles. Altogether the idea wasn't bad, but I just couldn't get past the inferior soldering and the wires protruding all over the place.</p></div><p>The bad soldering and protruding wires may have been the point of the piece.  It was likely a statement contrasting technology with what came before, or  trying to capture how odd it looks when you modernize something old badly.  This is like when you tour an old castle and see conduit along the wall.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As Frank Lloyd Wright pointed out , you can have very simple geometric forms , but the materials and finishes must be very well chosen .
Modern art so lacks workmanship .
I recall a piece at the MoMA ( I think ) made of some candle holders with light bulbs instead of candles .
Altogether the idea was n't bad , but I just could n't get past the inferior soldering and the wires protruding all over the place.The bad soldering and protruding wires may have been the point of the piece .
It was likely a statement contrasting technology with what came before , or trying to capture how odd it looks when you modernize something old badly .
This is like when you tour an old castle and see conduit along the wall .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> As Frank Lloyd Wright pointed out, you can have very simple geometric forms, but the materials and finishes must be very well chosen.
Modern art so lacks workmanship.
I recall a piece at the MoMA (I think) made of some candle holders with light bulbs instead of candles.
Altogether the idea wasn't bad, but I just couldn't get past the inferior soldering and the wires protruding all over the place.The bad soldering and protruding wires may have been the point of the piece.
It was likely a statement contrasting technology with what came before, or  trying to capture how odd it looks when you modernize something old badly.
This is like when you tour an old castle and see conduit along the wall.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876758</id>
	<title>First Sale does not apply.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264325280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>First Sale is a copyright issue. It does not apply where there is a <b>prior</b> agreement to the sale between seller and buyer.
<br> <br>
Barring something completely ridiculous, two parties can make any agreement they want about a copyrighted work, as long as it is prior to sale, and First Sale will not apply.</htmltext>
<tokenext>First Sale is a copyright issue .
It does not apply where there is a prior agreement to the sale between seller and buyer .
Barring something completely ridiculous , two parties can make any agreement they want about a copyrighted work , as long as it is prior to sale , and First Sale will not apply .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First Sale is a copyright issue.
It does not apply where there is a prior agreement to the sale between seller and buyer.
Barring something completely ridiculous, two parties can make any agreement they want about a copyrighted work, as long as it is prior to sale, and First Sale will not apply.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30880600</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like a pyramid scheme</title>
	<author>julesh</author>
	<datestamp>1264362420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It is a scam for the artist, but if you read TFA, you will see that it says "give Larsen 15 percent of any increase in value of the artwork". </i></p><p>Of course, this is in \_addition\_ to the <a href="http://www.opsi.gov.uk/SI/si2006/draft/20063820.htm" title="opsi.gov.uk">stuff he'll be able to rake in anyway</a> [opsi.gov.uk].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is a scam for the artist , but if you read TFA , you will see that it says " give Larsen 15 percent of any increase in value of the artwork " .
Of course , this is in \ _addition \ _ to the stuff he 'll be able to rake in anyway [ opsi.gov.uk ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is a scam for the artist, but if you read TFA, you will see that it says "give Larsen 15 percent of any increase in value of the artwork".
Of course, this is in \_addition\_ to the stuff he'll be able to rake in anyway [opsi.gov.uk].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877702</id>
	<title>will not last long</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264342500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nice idea, similar to the million dollar homepage.</p><p>But one problem: without maintenance, this thing will inevitably stop working, I bet soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice idea , similar to the million dollar homepage.But one problem : without maintenance , this thing will inevitably stop working , I bet soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice idea, similar to the million dollar homepage.But one problem: without maintenance, this thing will inevitably stop working, I bet soon.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878232</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like a pyramid scheme</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1264348500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Sounds like a great scam for the artist."</p><p>It doesn't beat this classic:</p><p><a href="http://www.pieromanzoni.org/EN/Gallery\_en/pop201.htm" title="pieromanzoni.org">http://www.pieromanzoni.org/EN/Gallery\_en/pop201.htm</a> [pieromanzoni.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Sounds like a great scam for the artist .
" It does n't beat this classic : http : //www.pieromanzoni.org/EN/Gallery \ _en/pop201.htm [ pieromanzoni.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Sounds like a great scam for the artist.
"It doesn't beat this classic:http://www.pieromanzoni.org/EN/Gallery\_en/pop201.htm [pieromanzoni.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877398</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like a pyramid scheme</title>
	<author>obarthelemy</author>
	<datestamp>1264337040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>mmm.... a pyramid with a growth factor of 1... a "pole" scheme ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>mmm.... a pyramid with a growth factor of 1... a " pole " scheme ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mmm.... a pyramid with a growth factor of 1... a "pole" scheme ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877850</id>
	<title>Re:No such thing as 1st Sale Doctrine outside USA</title>
	<author>arkenian</author>
	<datestamp>1264344600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Two points.

First.  US law is overwhelmingly derived from british common law, esp. in regards to property, so the differences, when they occur are striking.

Second.  Do some research.  As a legal entity and framework of laws, as opposed to culturally, the UK and a few islands in the pacific too small to conquer are basically the only countries in the world older than the US.  France, Germany, any other country you care to name is comparatively quite young.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Two points .
First. US law is overwhelmingly derived from british common law , esp .
in regards to property , so the differences , when they occur are striking .
Second. Do some research .
As a legal entity and framework of laws , as opposed to culturally , the UK and a few islands in the pacific too small to conquer are basically the only countries in the world older than the US .
France , Germany , any other country you care to name is comparatively quite young .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two points.
First.  US law is overwhelmingly derived from british common law, esp.
in regards to property, so the differences, when they occur are striking.
Second.  Do some research.
As a legal entity and framework of laws, as opposed to culturally, the UK and a few islands in the pacific too small to conquer are basically the only countries in the world older than the US.
France, Germany, any other country you care to name is comparatively quite young.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878584</id>
	<title>Re:No such thing as 1st Sale Doctrine outside USA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264351380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why do Americans, and Slashdotters in particular, assume that the world's legal systems are based on the USA's?</p></div><p> Ignorance. </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do Americans , and Slashdotters in particular , assume that the world 's legal systems are based on the USA 's ?
Ignorance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do Americans, and Slashdotters in particular, assume that the world's legal systems are based on the USA's?
Ignorance. 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879042</id>
	<title>Re:so...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264354200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're right. It's like when people go on vacation -who would pay all that money to be on a cruise ship or ski in Aspen when they can only do it for a week? Idiots!</p><p>(It's for the experience &amp; pleasure they derive from it. May not be your thing, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't have value.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're right .
It 's like when people go on vacation -who would pay all that money to be on a cruise ship or ski in Aspen when they can only do it for a week ?
Idiots ! ( It 's for the experience &amp; pleasure they derive from it .
May not be your thing , but that does n't mean that it does n't have value .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're right.
It's like when people go on vacation -who would pay all that money to be on a cruise ship or ski in Aspen when they can only do it for a week?
Idiots!(It's for the experience &amp; pleasure they derive from it.
May not be your thing, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't have value.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30885812</id>
	<title>RTFAuction</title>
	<author>DaveV1.0</author>
	<datestamp>1264352700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In order to buy this "work of art", one must agree that part of the concept of the work is that it will try to sell itself on EBay and one will agree to allow it to sell itself. Otherwise, one can not purchase the work. By not allowing the work to sell itself, one destroys the work.</p><p>Basically, the work comes with a contract, displayed as a part of the auction stating that one waves one's first sale doctrine rights when one purchases the work of "art".  It is only for sale to someone who will allow it to sell itself.</p><p>Because this is a precondition of sale and is made known before sale, there is nothing illegal, immoral, or unethical about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In order to buy this " work of art " , one must agree that part of the concept of the work is that it will try to sell itself on EBay and one will agree to allow it to sell itself .
Otherwise , one can not purchase the work .
By not allowing the work to sell itself , one destroys the work.Basically , the work comes with a contract , displayed as a part of the auction stating that one waves one 's first sale doctrine rights when one purchases the work of " art " .
It is only for sale to someone who will allow it to sell itself.Because this is a precondition of sale and is made known before sale , there is nothing illegal , immoral , or unethical about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In order to buy this "work of art", one must agree that part of the concept of the work is that it will try to sell itself on EBay and one will agree to allow it to sell itself.
Otherwise, one can not purchase the work.
By not allowing the work to sell itself, one destroys the work.Basically, the work comes with a contract, displayed as a part of the auction stating that one waves one's first sale doctrine rights when one purchases the work of "art".
It is only for sale to someone who will allow it to sell itself.Because this is a precondition of sale and is made known before sale, there is nothing illegal, immoral, or unethical about it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878266</id>
	<title>Am I the only one...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264348800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>who sees this as an ingenious satire of the economics of the housing bubble.  Buying something intrinsically worthless and hoping to sell it at profit, without paying attention to the reality of the product....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>who sees this as an ingenious satire of the economics of the housing bubble .
Buying something intrinsically worthless and hoping to sell it at profit , without paying attention to the reality of the product... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>who sees this as an ingenious satire of the economics of the housing bubble.
Buying something intrinsically worthless and hoping to sell it at profit, without paying attention to the reality of the product....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876764</id>
	<title>Arduino</title>
	<author>santax</author>
	<datestamp>1264325340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I assume the box contains one? Has he opened up his source already because this would certainly qualify as commercial use.

Think I'm gonna steal this idea though and implement in the black boxes of airplanes. At least they will an excuse when they kind find it next time a plane crashes.

Anyway, I anyone wants to bid on this auction, please contact me first. I am willing to rip you off for half the price. (Excluding taxes)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I assume the box contains one ?
Has he opened up his source already because this would certainly qualify as commercial use .
Think I 'm gon na steal this idea though and implement in the black boxes of airplanes .
At least they will an excuse when they kind find it next time a plane crashes .
Anyway , I anyone wants to bid on this auction , please contact me first .
I am willing to rip you off for half the price .
( Excluding taxes )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I assume the box contains one?
Has he opened up his source already because this would certainly qualify as commercial use.
Think I'm gonna steal this idea though and implement in the black boxes of airplanes.
At least they will an excuse when they kind find it next time a plane crashes.
Anyway, I anyone wants to bid on this auction, please contact me first.
I am willing to rip you off for half the price.
(Excluding taxes)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876946</id>
	<title>It's kind of funny...</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1264329000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The buyer terms attempts to circumvent first sale, by stating  the agreement is between the buyer and <b>the artist</b>, regardless of whoever the seller is.
</p><p>
And if the terms are violated the item <b>ceases to be a work of art</b>
</p><p>
I don't know... this may be perfectly valid.  But it still sounds really funny.
</p><p>
It's like selling someone a painting, with an agreement...  that if they sell it to another person that other person has to make an agreement with the original painter.
</p><p>
And if they fail to follow the terms, the item ceases to be a painting.
</p><p>
So yeah... the terms are funny in a kind of absurd way.
</p><p>
I suppose if the terms are violated for the self re-selling piece, though,  it does cease to be a re-selling piece...  so there's some uniqueness there.
</p><p>
However I say it's still a piece no matter what!
</p><p>
A piece of \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_.    (What goes in the blank is up to you)
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The buyer terms attempts to circumvent first sale , by stating the agreement is between the buyer and the artist , regardless of whoever the seller is .
And if the terms are violated the item ceases to be a work of art I do n't know... this may be perfectly valid .
But it still sounds really funny .
It 's like selling someone a painting , with an agreement... that if they sell it to another person that other person has to make an agreement with the original painter .
And if they fail to follow the terms , the item ceases to be a painting .
So yeah... the terms are funny in a kind of absurd way .
I suppose if the terms are violated for the self re-selling piece , though , it does cease to be a re-selling piece... so there 's some uniqueness there .
However I say it 's still a piece no matter what !
A piece of \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ .
( What goes in the blank is up to you )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The buyer terms attempts to circumvent first sale, by stating  the agreement is between the buyer and the artist, regardless of whoever the seller is.
And if the terms are violated the item ceases to be a work of art

I don't know... this may be perfectly valid.
But it still sounds really funny.
It's like selling someone a painting, with an agreement...  that if they sell it to another person that other person has to make an agreement with the original painter.
And if they fail to follow the terms, the item ceases to be a painting.
So yeah... the terms are funny in a kind of absurd way.
I suppose if the terms are violated for the self re-selling piece, though,  it does cease to be a re-selling piece...  so there's some uniqueness there.
However I say it's still a piece no matter what!
A piece of \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_.
(What goes in the blank is up to you)
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30884500</id>
	<title>Re:This guy is a scam artist</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1264343040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How are any of these scams? In other words, where is the fraud? It sounds like the things being sold are accurately represented. Are you him a scam artist simply because you don't like what he's selling, or that he might have (well-informed) buyers? If he does, do you think the buyers may know something you don't know about economics and the value of the things they're buying?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How are any of these scams ?
In other words , where is the fraud ?
It sounds like the things being sold are accurately represented .
Are you him a scam artist simply because you do n't like what he 's selling , or that he might have ( well-informed ) buyers ?
If he does , do you think the buyers may know something you do n't know about economics and the value of the things they 're buying ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How are any of these scams?
In other words, where is the fraud?
It sounds like the things being sold are accurately represented.
Are you him a scam artist simply because you don't like what he's selling, or that he might have (well-informed) buyers?
If he does, do you think the buyers may know something you don't know about economics and the value of the things they're buying?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877124</id>
	<title>Power</title>
	<author>jones\_supa</author>
	<datestamp>1264332420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cool cube and a nice experiment.</p><p>How is it powered?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cool cube and a nice experiment.How is it powered ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cool cube and a nice experiment.How is it powered?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878422</id>
	<title>I for one..</title>
	<author>Ricken</author>
	<datestamp>1264350360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Welcome our new supreme cube overlord.<br> <br>

I can see this cube being owned by some famous people in the future, making it very special to own yourself, sky-rocketing the price.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome our new supreme cube overlord .
I can see this cube being owned by some famous people in the future , making it very special to own yourself , sky-rocketing the price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome our new supreme cube overlord.
I can see this cube being owned by some famous people in the future, making it very special to own yourself, sky-rocketing the price.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877608</id>
	<title>Re:Art?</title>
	<author>funkatron</author>
	<datestamp>1264340820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That definition would exclude the Sistine Chapel, which was built and painted with the purpose of worship. It would also exclude various nudes and erotic art pieces (even if there is a tendancy to deny that these pieces have the particular function that they clearly do have).</p><p>In fact I would say that your definition is the exact opposite of good art. Good art inspires or conveys emotion or explores ideas (even if the idea explored is simply the definition of art). I can only think of one "artist" who produces work with the sole purpose of itself and even he would deny it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That definition would exclude the Sistine Chapel , which was built and painted with the purpose of worship .
It would also exclude various nudes and erotic art pieces ( even if there is a tendancy to deny that these pieces have the particular function that they clearly do have ) .In fact I would say that your definition is the exact opposite of good art .
Good art inspires or conveys emotion or explores ideas ( even if the idea explored is simply the definition of art ) .
I can only think of one " artist " who produces work with the sole purpose of itself and even he would deny it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That definition would exclude the Sistine Chapel, which was built and painted with the purpose of worship.
It would also exclude various nudes and erotic art pieces (even if there is a tendancy to deny that these pieces have the particular function that they clearly do have).In fact I would say that your definition is the exact opposite of good art.
Good art inspires or conveys emotion or explores ideas (even if the idea explored is simply the definition of art).
I can only think of one "artist" who produces work with the sole purpose of itself and even he would deny it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877336</id>
	<title>Re:Arduino</title>
	<author>batkiwi</author>
	<datestamp>1264336260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why woudln't it just contain any of the 23984238949823498329 other small microprocessor boards?</p><p>I own 3 arduino prototype boards, and have self-made several (buy the chip with pre-flashed bootloader, put the rest of the components on your production-ready pcb) but it's the EASIEST game out there, not the ONLY game out there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why woudl n't it just contain any of the 23984238949823498329 other small microprocessor boards ? I own 3 arduino prototype boards , and have self-made several ( buy the chip with pre-flashed bootloader , put the rest of the components on your production-ready pcb ) but it 's the EASIEST game out there , not the ONLY game out there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why woudln't it just contain any of the 23984238949823498329 other small microprocessor boards?I own 3 arduino prototype boards, and have self-made several (buy the chip with pre-flashed bootloader, put the rest of the components on your production-ready pcb) but it's the EASIEST game out there, not the ONLY game out there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877518</id>
	<title>Easy to exploit.</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1264339500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First of all, whoops... sorry it took <em>four years</em> to get delivered to my place.<br>Yes, of course it was disconnected during that time! ^^</p><p>Second, strangely, after I had it, weird thinks will happen to the other owners. Like waking up in the room with the box, with no memory of the past eight hours, everything valuable stolen, and perhaps a used condom in their ass, filled with sperm from a goat.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , whoops... sorry it took four years to get delivered to my place.Yes , of course it was disconnected during that time !
^ ^ Second , strangely , after I had it , weird thinks will happen to the other owners .
Like waking up in the room with the box , with no memory of the past eight hours , everything valuable stolen , and perhaps a used condom in their ass , filled with sperm from a goat .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, whoops... sorry it took four years to get delivered to my place.Yes, of course it was disconnected during that time!
^^Second, strangely, after I had it, weird thinks will happen to the other owners.
Like waking up in the room with the box, with no memory of the past eight hours, everything valuable stolen, and perhaps a used condom in their ass, filled with sperm from a goat.
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30882018</id>
	<title>Reductio ad absurdum?</title>
	<author>JAlexoi</author>
	<datestamp>1264327020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe the artist tried to make a point by means of <i>reductio ad absurdum</i>?<br>
But artists that produce tangible artworks have for a long time wanted to have a certain cut of resale of their works.<br>
All I say, if I wasnt to sell and noone want to buy, the artist should be forced to pay last bid or last sale price +15\%... If they want to impose rules on sale of goods, then they should get the responsibility like the manufacturers of other goods have...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe the artist tried to make a point by means of reductio ad absurdum ?
But artists that produce tangible artworks have for a long time wanted to have a certain cut of resale of their works .
All I say , if I wasnt to sell and noone want to buy , the artist should be forced to pay last bid or last sale price + 15 \ % ... If they want to impose rules on sale of goods , then they should get the responsibility like the manufacturers of other goods have.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe the artist tried to make a point by means of reductio ad absurdum?
But artists that produce tangible artworks have for a long time wanted to have a certain cut of resale of their works.
All I say, if I wasnt to sell and noone want to buy, the artist should be forced to pay last bid or last sale price +15\%... If they want to impose rules on sale of goods, then they should get the responsibility like the manufacturers of other goods have...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876526</id>
	<title>Not 15\% on every sale</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264364760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TFA says that the artist gets 15\% of the INCREASE in value, not 15\% of the entire value.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TFA says that the artist gets 15 \ % of the INCREASE in value , not 15 \ % of the entire value .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TFA says that the artist gets 15\% of the INCREASE in value, not 15\% of the entire value.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877586</id>
	<title>Re:Art?</title>
	<author>Threni</author>
	<datestamp>1264340400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Art IS attention-mongering and marketing.  Are you not aware of the likes of Emin, Hirst etc?   This stuff better be recorded in photos or something somewhere, because in 50 years time people are going to be scratching their heads and wondering if people really went to art galleries to look at unmade beds, chopped up animals in formaldehyde, flashing lights etc.</p><p>This recent story made me laugh:</p><p><a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5i9ANEIhPD29JFUMbVGURzouUL4Mg" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5i9ANEIhPD29JFUMbVGURzouUL4Mg</a> [google.com]</p><p>The trouble here is that normally the first check of an artifact to see if it's a forgery is to check it's of high enough quality.  With the disposable shit produced by Emin and the like this test is impossible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Art IS attention-mongering and marketing .
Are you not aware of the likes of Emin , Hirst etc ?
This stuff better be recorded in photos or something somewhere , because in 50 years time people are going to be scratching their heads and wondering if people really went to art galleries to look at unmade beds , chopped up animals in formaldehyde , flashing lights etc.This recent story made me laugh : http : //www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5i9ANEIhPD29JFUMbVGURzouUL4Mg [ google.com ] The trouble here is that normally the first check of an artifact to see if it 's a forgery is to check it 's of high enough quality .
With the disposable shit produced by Emin and the like this test is impossible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Art IS attention-mongering and marketing.
Are you not aware of the likes of Emin, Hirst etc?
This stuff better be recorded in photos or something somewhere, because in 50 years time people are going to be scratching their heads and wondering if people really went to art galleries to look at unmade beds, chopped up animals in formaldehyde, flashing lights etc.This recent story made me laugh:http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5i9ANEIhPD29JFUMbVGURzouUL4Mg [google.com]The trouble here is that normally the first check of an artifact to see if it's a forgery is to check it's of high enough quality.
With the disposable shit produced by Emin and the like this test is impossible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877044</id>
	<title>Does it open?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264330920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow.  The current bid sits at US $4,250.00 with six unique bidders.</p><p>Somehow, based on the posts here, I don't think that number is going to increase as a result of exposure on Slashdot.</p><p>My highschool art teacher had a special scowl when he told us about the commonly heard phrase among the plebes, <i>"I may not know anything about art, but I know what I like."</i>  I tended to think that this is one of the more sensible statements I'd ever heard, but then I didn't get stellar grades in art class.  I wonder if he'd be up for a black cube of doom?</p><p>From the FAQ. .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.</p><blockquote><div><p>Q: If I were to buy this, how long could I expect to own it before it sells itself again?<br>A: It is hard to say. Like any commodity it is subject to demand. It could be moments or years. The perpetual state of uncertainty and the instability of ownership are primary components of the work.</p></div></blockquote><p>Hm.  That's actually kind of neat.  I can see the appeal for the art community.  Nice jorb.  --Though, for the rest of us, the same feeling can be achieved at discount simply by contemplating the EULA on a piece of software.  You own the disk, but do you OWN the disk?  The mind reels!</p><p>Now THAT's art!</p><p>-FL</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow .
The current bid sits at US $ 4,250.00 with six unique bidders.Somehow , based on the posts here , I do n't think that number is going to increase as a result of exposure on Slashdot.My highschool art teacher had a special scowl when he told us about the commonly heard phrase among the plebes , " I may not know anything about art , but I know what I like .
" I tended to think that this is one of the more sensible statements I 'd ever heard , but then I did n't get stellar grades in art class .
I wonder if he 'd be up for a black cube of doom ? From the FAQ .
. .Q : If I were to buy this , how long could I expect to own it before it sells itself again ? A : It is hard to say .
Like any commodity it is subject to demand .
It could be moments or years .
The perpetual state of uncertainty and the instability of ownership are primary components of the work.Hm .
That 's actually kind of neat .
I can see the appeal for the art community .
Nice jorb .
--Though , for the rest of us , the same feeling can be achieved at discount simply by contemplating the EULA on a piece of software .
You own the disk , but do you OWN the disk ?
The mind reels ! Now THAT 's art ! -FL</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow.
The current bid sits at US $4,250.00 with six unique bidders.Somehow, based on the posts here, I don't think that number is going to increase as a result of exposure on Slashdot.My highschool art teacher had a special scowl when he told us about the commonly heard phrase among the plebes, "I may not know anything about art, but I know what I like.
"  I tended to think that this is one of the more sensible statements I'd ever heard, but then I didn't get stellar grades in art class.
I wonder if he'd be up for a black cube of doom?From the FAQ.
. .Q: If I were to buy this, how long could I expect to own it before it sells itself again?A: It is hard to say.
Like any commodity it is subject to demand.
It could be moments or years.
The perpetual state of uncertainty and the instability of ownership are primary components of the work.Hm.
That's actually kind of neat.
I can see the appeal for the art community.
Nice jorb.
--Though, for the rest of us, the same feeling can be achieved at discount simply by contemplating the EULA on a piece of software.
You own the disk, but do you OWN the disk?
The mind reels!Now THAT's art!-FL
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879354</id>
	<title>"Own for a week"?</title>
	<author>Zephiris</author>
	<datestamp>1264355820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That sounds an awful lot like that old thing people haven't talked about since the 1990s...you know, a RENTAL. o.o</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That sounds an awful lot like that old thing people have n't talked about since the 1990s...you know , a RENTAL .
o.o</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That sounds an awful lot like that old thing people haven't talked about since the 1990s...you know, a RENTAL.
o.o</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876660</id>
	<title>Stupid cube art.</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1264366680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Some famous artist once exhibited a metal cube about 1m on a side.  He was based in New York, and one day, driving through New Jersey, he saw a sign that said "You design it, we fabricate it".  So he called them and ordered a 1m cube of solid steel.  It was explained to him how much this would weigh.  So he settled for a cube of sheet metal on a frame.  The cube was duly fabricated and drop-shipped to the Museum of Modern Art in New York.
</p><p>
That was in the 1970s, when it was at least an original idea.  As late as the 1990s, the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art was showing a Plexiglas cube held together with tape.  That was embarrassing.  (When SFMOMA started, all the money went into their building, and the permanent collection was awful. It's since improved, but it's still far behind NY and LA.)
</p><p>
As Frank Lloyd Wright pointed out, you can have very simple geometric forms, but the materials and finishes must be very well chosen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some famous artist once exhibited a metal cube about 1m on a side .
He was based in New York , and one day , driving through New Jersey , he saw a sign that said " You design it , we fabricate it " .
So he called them and ordered a 1m cube of solid steel .
It was explained to him how much this would weigh .
So he settled for a cube of sheet metal on a frame .
The cube was duly fabricated and drop-shipped to the Museum of Modern Art in New York .
That was in the 1970s , when it was at least an original idea .
As late as the 1990s , the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art was showing a Plexiglas cube held together with tape .
That was embarrassing .
( When SFMOMA started , all the money went into their building , and the permanent collection was awful .
It 's since improved , but it 's still far behind NY and LA .
) As Frank Lloyd Wright pointed out , you can have very simple geometric forms , but the materials and finishes must be very well chosen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Some famous artist once exhibited a metal cube about 1m on a side.
He was based in New York, and one day, driving through New Jersey, he saw a sign that said "You design it, we fabricate it".
So he called them and ordered a 1m cube of solid steel.
It was explained to him how much this would weigh.
So he settled for a cube of sheet metal on a frame.
The cube was duly fabricated and drop-shipped to the Museum of Modern Art in New York.
That was in the 1970s, when it was at least an original idea.
As late as the 1990s, the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art was showing a Plexiglas cube held together with tape.
That was embarrassing.
(When SFMOMA started, all the money went into their building, and the permanent collection was awful.
It's since improved, but it's still far behind NY and LA.
)

As Frank Lloyd Wright pointed out, you can have very simple geometric forms, but the materials and finishes must be very well chosen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876536</id>
	<title>I'm an idiot</title>
	<author>Sparx139</author>
	<datestamp>1264364880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I should have read TFA. Still, it seems foolish, seeing as you need to sell it for at least 118\% of the price you paid for it, just to break even.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I should have read TFA .
Still , it seems foolish , seeing as you need to sell it for at least 118 \ % of the price you paid for it , just to break even .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I should have read TFA.
Still, it seems foolish, seeing as you need to sell it for at least 118\% of the price you paid for it, just to break even.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876862</id>
	<title>Re:Clever way to circumvent first sale.</title>
	<author>Toonol</author>
	<datestamp>1264327140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe by purchasing it, and filling the ethernet port in with epoxy, you're creating a NEW work of art, that makes just as much of a statement as his did.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe by purchasing it , and filling the ethernet port in with epoxy , you 're creating a NEW work of art , that makes just as much of a statement as his did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe by purchasing it, and filling the ethernet port in with epoxy, you're creating a NEW work of art, that makes just as much of a statement as his did.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879510</id>
	<title>Re:This guy is a scam artist</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264357020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know, right? I'm tired of people preying on others to make a statement and calling it art. What a jerk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know , right ?
I 'm tired of people preying on others to make a statement and calling it art .
What a jerk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know, right?
I'm tired of people preying on others to make a statement and calling it art.
What a jerk.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30884440</id>
	<title>Hey eBay... Fraudulent Sale</title>
	<author>GumphMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1264342560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Art or not, the physical device is owned by whoever last purchased it.  The device then lists itself using the artist's credentials.  Caleb Larson is then offering for sale an item that he does not own, have physical possession of, or title to (title passed to the last Collector).  Strikes me that, beyond the sale to the first "Collector", this is a flagrantly fraudulent auction and that no contract can abrogate the law.  I wonder how long before someone that parted with a substantial sum to possess the physical item (it is a nice looking cube after all) decides to challenge this through eBay.</p><p>On the other hand, it does point out some of the ludicrous goings-on with respect to trailing commissions in all sorts of fields.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Art or not , the physical device is owned by whoever last purchased it .
The device then lists itself using the artist 's credentials .
Caleb Larson is then offering for sale an item that he does not own , have physical possession of , or title to ( title passed to the last Collector ) .
Strikes me that , beyond the sale to the first " Collector " , this is a flagrantly fraudulent auction and that no contract can abrogate the law .
I wonder how long before someone that parted with a substantial sum to possess the physical item ( it is a nice looking cube after all ) decides to challenge this through eBay.On the other hand , it does point out some of the ludicrous goings-on with respect to trailing commissions in all sorts of fields .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Art or not, the physical device is owned by whoever last purchased it.
The device then lists itself using the artist's credentials.
Caleb Larson is then offering for sale an item that he does not own, have physical possession of, or title to (title passed to the last Collector).
Strikes me that, beyond the sale to the first "Collector", this is a flagrantly fraudulent auction and that no contract can abrogate the law.
I wonder how long before someone that parted with a substantial sum to possess the physical item (it is a nice looking cube after all) decides to challenge this through eBay.On the other hand, it does point out some of the ludicrous goings-on with respect to trailing commissions in all sorts of fields.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879696</id>
	<title>This is Art, no Doubt</title>
	<author>mdda</author>
	<datestamp>1264358220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's stimulating a conversation.</p><p>Have a look at the "artist's" site.  He's plainly got some interesting ideas.</p><p>In many ways, these ideas are more 'accessible' than a lot of classical 'pretty pictures'.</p><p>PS:<br>It's also interesting to me that this guy can survive, while producing less than 1 artwork per month...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's stimulating a conversation.Have a look at the " artist 's " site .
He 's plainly got some interesting ideas.In many ways , these ideas are more 'accessible ' than a lot of classical 'pretty pictures'.PS : It 's also interesting to me that this guy can survive , while producing less than 1 artwork per month.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's stimulating a conversation.Have a look at the "artist's" site.
He's plainly got some interesting ideas.In many ways, these ideas are more 'accessible' than a lot of classical 'pretty pictures'.PS:It's also interesting to me that this guy can survive, while producing less than 1 artwork per month...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877510</id>
	<title>Re:!art</title>
	<author>initialE</author>
	<datestamp>1264339320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power\_Mac\_G4\_Cube" title="wikipedia.org">Mac</a> [wikipedia.org] in black?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a Mac [ wikipedia.org ] in black ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a Mac [wikipedia.org] in black?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877220</id>
	<title>Re:Arduino</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264334280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe I missed something, but a piece of electronics assembled by an artist doesn't require an arduino fitted to it by default. Arduino is not the only solution, and certainly not the best</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe I missed something , but a piece of electronics assembled by an artist does n't require an arduino fitted to it by default .
Arduino is not the only solution , and certainly not the best</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe I missed something, but a piece of electronics assembled by an artist doesn't require an arduino fitted to it by default.
Arduino is not the only solution, and certainly not the best</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876986</id>
	<title>Price dynamics</title>
	<author>eddy</author>
	<datestamp>1264329720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wonder how the dynamics would change if you were allowed to own it longer and longer for each resale, say +1 day for every time it changes hands.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wonder how the dynamics would change if you were allowed to own it longer and longer for each resale , say + 1 day for every time it changes hands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wonder how the dynamics would change if you were allowed to own it longer and longer for each resale, say +1 day for every time it changes hands.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877244</id>
	<title>How long ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264334580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... before Apple sues artist for copyright infingement?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... before Apple sues artist for copyright infingement ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... before Apple sues artist for copyright infingement?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30880690</id>
	<title>Re:Erm....15 \% each time its sold?</title>
	<author>enriquevagu</author>
	<datestamp>1264362780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the FAQ, in the bottom line: "the initial bid is set at the last sale price"</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the FAQ , in the bottom line : " the initial bid is set at the last sale price "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the FAQ, in the bottom line: "the initial bid is set at the last sale price"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877268</id>
	<title>Re:First Sale Doesn't Apply..</title>
	<author>trenien</author>
	<datestamp>1264334940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I may be wrong there, but I don't think that anywhere in the rules of ebay is it written that you can put up a <b>rent</b> for auctions (that seems very counter logical). In other word, I'm pretty sure any buyer who doesn't comply with the rules on the ebay selling page this item sets up can tell the 'artist' to fuck off if he doesn't want to play the game.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I may be wrong there , but I do n't think that anywhere in the rules of ebay is it written that you can put up a rent for auctions ( that seems very counter logical ) .
In other word , I 'm pretty sure any buyer who does n't comply with the rules on the ebay selling page this item sets up can tell the 'artist ' to fuck off if he does n't want to play the game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I may be wrong there, but I don't think that anywhere in the rules of ebay is it written that you can put up a rent for auctions (that seems very counter logical).
In other word, I'm pretty sure any buyer who doesn't comply with the rules on the ebay selling page this item sets up can tell the 'artist' to fuck off if he doesn't want to play the game.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876632</id>
	<title>Clever way to circumvent first sale.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264366140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He doesn't claim you don't have a right of first sale to the raw object, he's just saying that if you don't adhere to the contract then the object loses its value as a work of art and will no longer recognize it as his legitimate work of art.  So while you have whatever rights the law gives you to the raw materials, but he is controlling the use of the concept which is what anyone who would buy this thing is actually interested in.</p><p>A bit twisty, but if you're into that sort of thing it could work for you.  I think every week is a bit much, makes it potentially not worth the effort to deal with it.  I'd think at least quarterly would be the way to go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He does n't claim you do n't have a right of first sale to the raw object , he 's just saying that if you do n't adhere to the contract then the object loses its value as a work of art and will no longer recognize it as his legitimate work of art .
So while you have whatever rights the law gives you to the raw materials , but he is controlling the use of the concept which is what anyone who would buy this thing is actually interested in.A bit twisty , but if you 're into that sort of thing it could work for you .
I think every week is a bit much , makes it potentially not worth the effort to deal with it .
I 'd think at least quarterly would be the way to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He doesn't claim you don't have a right of first sale to the raw object, he's just saying that if you don't adhere to the contract then the object loses its value as a work of art and will no longer recognize it as his legitimate work of art.
So while you have whatever rights the law gives you to the raw materials, but he is controlling the use of the concept which is what anyone who would buy this thing is actually interested in.A bit twisty, but if you're into that sort of thing it could work for you.
I think every week is a bit much, makes it potentially not worth the effort to deal with it.
I'd think at least quarterly would be the way to go.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876540</id>
	<title>Bragging rights....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264364940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The purchaser also gains the right to claim the title of "The worlds most obvious sucker"....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The purchaser also gains the right to claim the title of " The worlds most obvious sucker " ... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The purchaser also gains the right to claim the title of "The worlds most obvious sucker"....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879134</id>
	<title>Re:This guy is a scam artist</title>
	<author>misexistentialist</author>
	<datestamp>1264354740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since the buyers receive "hipness" for their money they get both what they want and what they deserve. There is no misrepresentation and no scam. Laboring for decades to produce an unsold masterpiece ends up being pretty ridiculous too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since the buyers receive " hipness " for their money they get both what they want and what they deserve .
There is no misrepresentation and no scam .
Laboring for decades to produce an unsold masterpiece ends up being pretty ridiculous too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since the buyers receive "hipness" for their money they get both what they want and what they deserve.
There is no misrepresentation and no scam.
Laboring for decades to produce an unsold masterpiece ends up being pretty ridiculous too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30881844</id>
	<title>Re:No such thing as 1st Sale Doctrine outside USA</title>
	<author>jesseck</author>
	<datestamp>1264325820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>On the Auction site (<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=190367275705#ht\_2695wt\_907" title="ebay.com" rel="nofollow">here</a> [ebay.com]), the "Terms of Sale" were written by a lawyer in NYC (U.S.), and the seller/artist is a US Citizen.  The agreement even states that it is governed by the laws of the State of New York.  This may have been reported by a UK news source, but it's an US work.
However, I think it is also ridiculous- Here is the Artist's response about First Sale Doctrine (on the eBay link):
Q: Doesn't the first sale doctrine prevent you from collecting further payment past the initial sale of the item?
A: In order to be recognized as a work of art the contract must be adhered to, and regards of who owns it and who buys it the contract remains between the artist and the purchaser, not between buyer and seller.

So, if you don't want to follow the agreement, apparently it is no longer "art".</htmltext>
<tokenext>On the Auction site ( here [ ebay.com ] ) , the " Terms of Sale " were written by a lawyer in NYC ( U.S. ) , and the seller/artist is a US Citizen .
The agreement even states that it is governed by the laws of the State of New York .
This may have been reported by a UK news source , but it 's an US work .
However , I think it is also ridiculous- Here is the Artist 's response about First Sale Doctrine ( on the eBay link ) : Q : Does n't the first sale doctrine prevent you from collecting further payment past the initial sale of the item ?
A : In order to be recognized as a work of art the contract must be adhered to , and regards of who owns it and who buys it the contract remains between the artist and the purchaser , not between buyer and seller .
So , if you do n't want to follow the agreement , apparently it is no longer " art " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the Auction site (here [ebay.com]), the "Terms of Sale" were written by a lawyer in NYC (U.S.), and the seller/artist is a US Citizen.
The agreement even states that it is governed by the laws of the State of New York.
This may have been reported by a UK news source, but it's an US work.
However, I think it is also ridiculous- Here is the Artist's response about First Sale Doctrine (on the eBay link):
Q: Doesn't the first sale doctrine prevent you from collecting further payment past the initial sale of the item?
A: In order to be recognized as a work of art the contract must be adhered to, and regards of who owns it and who buys it the contract remains between the artist and the purchaser, not between buyer and seller.
So, if you don't want to follow the agreement, apparently it is no longer "art".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878336</id>
	<title>Weighted Companion Cube?</title>
	<author>Richmeister</author>
	<datestamp>1264349460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Though earth and man are gone,
I thought the cube would last forever.
I was wrong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Though earth and man are gone , I thought the cube would last forever .
I was wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Though earth and man are gone,
I thought the cube would last forever.
I was wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876834</id>
	<title>What's so special about that?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264326480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've more than once seen that a seller purchased the offered product about a week before. This happens especially for strange things. Strange things are very similar to art. The reason for buying and selling seems to be simple curiosity.</p><p>The only difference now is that it's enforced by the thing itself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've more than once seen that a seller purchased the offered product about a week before .
This happens especially for strange things .
Strange things are very similar to art .
The reason for buying and selling seems to be simple curiosity.The only difference now is that it 's enforced by the thing itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've more than once seen that a seller purchased the offered product about a week before.
This happens especially for strange things.
Strange things are very similar to art.
The reason for buying and selling seems to be simple curiosity.The only difference now is that it's enforced by the thing itself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878518</id>
	<title>Re:Art?</title>
	<author>ailnlv</author>
	<datestamp>1264350960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Frank Zappa also said that all you need to be a real country is a beer and an airline. Maybe that's what's wrong with Haiti...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Frank Zappa also said that all you need to be a real country is a beer and an airline .
Maybe that 's what 's wrong with Haiti.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Frank Zappa also said that all you need to be a real country is a beer and an airline.
Maybe that's what's wrong with Haiti...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878096</id>
	<title>Re:No such thing as 1st Sale Doctrine outside USA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264347240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DUDE, CHILL OUT</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DUDE , CHILL OUT</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DUDE, CHILL OUT</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877860</id>
	<title>Re:Art?</title>
	<author>webnut77</author>
	<datestamp>1264344660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Art is very easy to define.</p><p>For something to be defined as art it has to have no purpose or function other than itself.</p></div><p>So congress is "art"?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Art is very easy to define.For something to be defined as art it has to have no purpose or function other than itself.So congress is " art " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Art is very easy to define.For something to be defined as art it has to have no purpose or function other than itself.So congress is "art"?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877394</id>
	<title>Re:First Sale does not apply.</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1264337040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>First Sale is a copyright issue.</p></div><p>No, it's not.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>First Sale is a copyright issue.No , it 's not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First Sale is a copyright issue.No, it's not.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876516</id>
	<title>First Sale Doesn't Apply..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264364700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First sale doctorine doesn't apply if you have a contract.  If you signed a contract to buy the piece of art, it certainly can have restrictions on what you can do with it.  The first sale doctorine rather applies to limitations imposed by copyright, ie: the right for the copyright holder of something to sue you, even though you don't have a contract, because you sold it again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First sale doctorine does n't apply if you have a contract .
If you signed a contract to buy the piece of art , it certainly can have restrictions on what you can do with it .
The first sale doctorine rather applies to limitations imposed by copyright , ie : the right for the copyright holder of something to sue you , even though you do n't have a contract , because you sold it again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First sale doctorine doesn't apply if you have a contract.
If you signed a contract to buy the piece of art, it certainly can have restrictions on what you can do with it.
The first sale doctorine rather applies to limitations imposed by copyright, ie: the right for the copyright holder of something to sue you, even though you don't have a contract, because you sold it again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878022</id>
	<title>Suprise: bad summary</title>
	<author>McGiraf</author>
	<datestamp>1264346640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"This is where the art collector could make money. However they must first pay any fees to eBay and give Larsen 15 percent of any increase in value of the artwork."</p><p>is not the same as</p><p>
&nbsp; "Another condition of sale is that the artist gets 15\% each time the piece is sold. Maybe the First Sale Doctrine works differently in the UK."</p><p>oops I read TFA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" This is where the art collector could make money .
However they must first pay any fees to eBay and give Larsen 15 percent of any increase in value of the artwork .
" is not the same as   " Another condition of sale is that the artist gets 15 \ % each time the piece is sold .
Maybe the First Sale Doctrine works differently in the UK .
" oops I read TFA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"This is where the art collector could make money.
However they must first pay any fees to eBay and give Larsen 15 percent of any increase in value of the artwork.
"is not the same as
  "Another condition of sale is that the artist gets 15\% each time the piece is sold.
Maybe the First Sale Doctrine works differently in the UK.
"oops I read TFA.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877192</id>
	<title>Re:Art?</title>
	<author>Anarchduke</author>
	<datestamp>1264333740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Q and A from the ebay auction conditions are quite interesting.<blockquote><div><p>Q: Doesn't the first sale doctrine prevent you from collecting further payment past the initial sale of the item?<br>
A: In order to be recognized as a work of art the contract must be adhered to, and regards of who owns it and who buys it the contract remains between the artist and the purchaser, not between buyer and seller.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
I wish him good luck in actually getting a court to enforce this.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Q and A from the ebay auction conditions are quite interesting.Q : Does n't the first sale doctrine prevent you from collecting further payment past the initial sale of the item ?
A : In order to be recognized as a work of art the contract must be adhered to , and regards of who owns it and who buys it the contract remains between the artist and the purchaser , not between buyer and seller .
I wish him good luck in actually getting a court to enforce this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Q and A from the ebay auction conditions are quite interesting.Q: Doesn't the first sale doctrine prevent you from collecting further payment past the initial sale of the item?
A: In order to be recognized as a work of art the contract must be adhered to, and regards of who owns it and who buys it the contract remains between the artist and the purchaser, not between buyer and seller.
I wish him good luck in actually getting a court to enforce this.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879580</id>
	<title>One feature missing...  automated feedback</title>
	<author>duh\_lime</author>
	<datestamp>1264357560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since it (re-)sells itself, it could also leave feedback for the buyer when it knows there has been a sale and the MAC address of its gateway has changed...  Something like, "Great ebayer... not the sharpest tool in the shed, but OK as a sucker" (somebody else can count the chars to see if the eBay comment length limit is exceeded with that).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since it ( re- ) sells itself , it could also leave feedback for the buyer when it knows there has been a sale and the MAC address of its gateway has changed... Something like , " Great ebayer... not the sharpest tool in the shed , but OK as a sucker " ( somebody else can count the chars to see if the eBay comment length limit is exceeded with that ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since it (re-)sells itself, it could also leave feedback for the buyer when it knows there has been a sale and the MAC address of its gateway has changed...  Something like, "Great ebayer... not the sharpest tool in the shed, but OK as a sucker" (somebody else can count the chars to see if the eBay comment length limit is exceeded with that).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30881918</id>
	<title>A crafty scheme...</title>
	<author>jesseck</author>
	<datestamp>1264326360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here, we have what is literally "black-box" hardware getting installed in a museum or other type on art collection, and given a active internet connection.  It even uses DHCP- so you need it on your LAN, or a DMZ that hand's out DHCP.  On top of all that, it checks what is essentially a command-and-control server every 10 minutes.  The "artist" is responsible for applying updates to the software.  So, the C&amp;C server maintains that the artist can access the "art" at anytime, anywhere.  This black box will probably be installed on a LAN with other systems (after all, he's an artist, not a cracker).  The people who purchase this will probably not even consider security of the network with this device, and the artist will most likely not agree with reasonable requests to audit his "art's" function.  <p>There is no potential misuse of this item here.  Since it probably runs Linux, it most likely already has the software necessary to sniff the network, and a package like nmap will help him ID targets in the network.  Then, when his work is done, offer the item for auction on eBay... and find the next sucker with a network and collection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here , we have what is literally " black-box " hardware getting installed in a museum or other type on art collection , and given a active internet connection .
It even uses DHCP- so you need it on your LAN , or a DMZ that hand 's out DHCP .
On top of all that , it checks what is essentially a command-and-control server every 10 minutes .
The " artist " is responsible for applying updates to the software .
So , the C&amp;C server maintains that the artist can access the " art " at anytime , anywhere .
This black box will probably be installed on a LAN with other systems ( after all , he 's an artist , not a cracker ) .
The people who purchase this will probably not even consider security of the network with this device , and the artist will most likely not agree with reasonable requests to audit his " art 's " function .
There is no potential misuse of this item here .
Since it probably runs Linux , it most likely already has the software necessary to sniff the network , and a package like nmap will help him ID targets in the network .
Then , when his work is done , offer the item for auction on eBay... and find the next sucker with a network and collection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here, we have what is literally "black-box" hardware getting installed in a museum or other type on art collection, and given a active internet connection.
It even uses DHCP- so you need it on your LAN, or a DMZ that hand's out DHCP.
On top of all that, it checks what is essentially a command-and-control server every 10 minutes.
The "artist" is responsible for applying updates to the software.
So, the C&amp;C server maintains that the artist can access the "art" at anytime, anywhere.
This black box will probably be installed on a LAN with other systems (after all, he's an artist, not a cracker).
The people who purchase this will probably not even consider security of the network with this device, and the artist will most likely not agree with reasonable requests to audit his "art's" function.
There is no potential misuse of this item here.
Since it probably runs Linux, it most likely already has the software necessary to sniff the network, and a package like nmap will help him ID targets in the network.
Then, when his work is done, offer the item for auction on eBay... and find the next sucker with a network and collection.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876590</id>
	<title>Re:Art?</title>
	<author>MustardAndPizza</author>
	<datestamp>1264365480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The real art here is the way the artist manipulated the terms of service so that the artwork has the ability to change its owner. That idea might be new.<br>
<br>
----
<br>
<i>One day, I got my signature stuck in my throat. I washed it down with vinegar. </i></htmltext>
<tokenext>The real art here is the way the artist manipulated the terms of service so that the artwork has the ability to change its owner .
That idea might be new .
---- One day , I got my signature stuck in my throat .
I washed it down with vinegar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real art here is the way the artist manipulated the terms of service so that the artwork has the ability to change its owner.
That idea might be new.
----

One day, I got my signature stuck in my throat.
I washed it down with vinegar. </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879172</id>
	<title>Re:This guy is a scam artist</title>
	<author>Vellmont</author>
	<datestamp>1264354860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i><br>All of his newest pieces of 'art' just seem to be money makers for himself that prey on people who want to seem like they are hip to the 'art scene.'<br></i><br>Heheh..  How many successful artists have done the exact same thing, but just weren't so overt about it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All of his newest pieces of 'art ' just seem to be money makers for himself that prey on people who want to seem like they are hip to the 'art scene.'Heheh. .
How many successful artists have done the exact same thing , but just were n't so overt about it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All of his newest pieces of 'art' just seem to be money makers for himself that prey on people who want to seem like they are hip to the 'art scene.'Heheh..
How many successful artists have done the exact same thing, but just weren't so overt about it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30880490</id>
	<title>Re:Pass-the-parcel</title>
	<author>aflag</author>
	<datestamp>1264361880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The only thing that makes me iffy is the requirement to pay the artist 15\% of the increased value. I would appreciate it a lot more if it wasn't for that term.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only thing that makes me iffy is the requirement to pay the artist 15 \ % of the increased value .
I would appreciate it a lot more if it was n't for that term .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only thing that makes me iffy is the requirement to pay the artist 15\% of the increased value.
I would appreciate it a lot more if it wasn't for that term.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877602</id>
	<title>Re:No such thing as 1st Sale Doctrine outside USA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264340760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do Americans, and Slashdotters in particular, assume that the world's legal systems are based on the USA's?</p><p>They don't. What they do assume is that quite the opposite, the *USA's* legal system is based on the UK's (more precisely, an earlier version of the UK's), so if a legal principle exists in the USA, it may well do so in the UK as well.</p><p>Reality is slightly more complicated, of course: the legal systems diverged at some point, but they've still got the same roots, and there's still some cross-pollination.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do Americans , and Slashdotters in particular , assume that the world 's legal systems are based on the USA 's ? They do n't .
What they do assume is that quite the opposite , the * USA 's * legal system is based on the UK 's ( more precisely , an earlier version of the UK 's ) , so if a legal principle exists in the USA , it may well do so in the UK as well.Reality is slightly more complicated , of course : the legal systems diverged at some point , but they 've still got the same roots , and there 's still some cross-pollination .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do Americans, and Slashdotters in particular, assume that the world's legal systems are based on the USA's?They don't.
What they do assume is that quite the opposite, the *USA's* legal system is based on the UK's (more precisely, an earlier version of the UK's), so if a legal principle exists in the USA, it may well do so in the UK as well.Reality is slightly more complicated, of course: the legal systems diverged at some point, but they've still got the same roots, and there's still some cross-pollination.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879126</id>
	<title>Re:so...</title>
	<author>CaroKann</author>
	<datestamp>1264354680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You buy it for the same reason that you might buy a stock or option to own for only one week.  You hope to sell it for a capital gain.  This demonstrates the <a href="http://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/greaterfooltheory.asp" title="investopedia.com">Greater Fool Theory</a> [investopedia.com], which is a natural component of markets and market bubbles in general.
<br> <br>
With securities speculation, you have nothing to show for your money other than a legal transaction record in a brokerages computer system.  With this box, at least you can set it on a pedestal to admire for a while.

I think this is very clever.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You buy it for the same reason that you might buy a stock or option to own for only one week .
You hope to sell it for a capital gain .
This demonstrates the Greater Fool Theory [ investopedia.com ] , which is a natural component of markets and market bubbles in general .
With securities speculation , you have nothing to show for your money other than a legal transaction record in a brokerages computer system .
With this box , at least you can set it on a pedestal to admire for a while .
I think this is very clever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You buy it for the same reason that you might buy a stock or option to own for only one week.
You hope to sell it for a capital gain.
This demonstrates the Greater Fool Theory [investopedia.com], which is a natural component of markets and market bubbles in general.
With securities speculation, you have nothing to show for your money other than a legal transaction record in a brokerages computer system.
With this box, at least you can set it on a pedestal to admire for a while.
I think this is very clever.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876486</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879930</id>
	<title>Re:No such thing as 1st Sale Doctrine outside USA</title>
	<author>Oligonicella</author>
	<datestamp>1264359600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"you being such a new country"  <br> <br>
Trite and may have been a good argument around 1875, possibly 1900. <br> <br>
Lines one and two constitute a good point, humorously delivered.  Three on are a pompous screed directed at your perception that Americans are pompous.  Good humor there as well, albeit irony.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" you being such a new country " Trite and may have been a good argument around 1875 , possibly 1900 .
Lines one and two constitute a good point , humorously delivered .
Three on are a pompous screed directed at your perception that Americans are pompous .
Good humor there as well , albeit irony .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"you being such a new country"   
Trite and may have been a good argument around 1875, possibly 1900.
Lines one and two constitute a good point, humorously delivered.
Three on are a pompous screed directed at your perception that Americans are pompous.
Good humor there as well, albeit irony.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876610</id>
	<title>Re:so...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264365780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If you can only own it for a week, then why the hell would you buy it in the first place?!</i></p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Hell, some women charge $50 for only a few minutes. And frankly they are far cheaper than "owning" one long term...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you can only own it for a week , then why the hell would you buy it in the first place ? !
      Hell , some women charge $ 50 for only a few minutes .
And frankly they are far cheaper than " owning " one long term.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can only own it for a week, then why the hell would you buy it in the first place?!
      Hell, some women charge $50 for only a few minutes.
And frankly they are far cheaper than "owning" one long term...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876690</id>
	<title>This is called "weekly renting"</title>
	<author>AwaxSlashdot</author>
	<datestamp>1264324140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your weekly fee is 15\% of its market value (minus eBay fees) and you support possible market value gain/loss.

But this is also the occasion for a new piece of art. Since it is allowed to keep it unplugged when travelling, constantly ship it to yourself again and again.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your weekly fee is 15 \ % of its market value ( minus eBay fees ) and you support possible market value gain/loss .
But this is also the occasion for a new piece of art .
Since it is allowed to keep it unplugged when travelling , constantly ship it to yourself again and again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your weekly fee is 15\% of its market value (minus eBay fees) and you support possible market value gain/loss.
But this is also the occasion for a new piece of art.
Since it is allowed to keep it unplugged when travelling, constantly ship it to yourself again and again.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30880510</id>
	<title>What ebay account?</title>
	<author>slipangle</author>
	<datestamp>1264361940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does it list itself with the owner's ebay ID or does it use the artist's ID? How does it know the owner's ebay password?
I'm guessing the cube doesn't access ebay directly. It just pings the artist's server and the server does the ebay listing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does it list itself with the owner 's ebay ID or does it use the artist 's ID ?
How does it know the owner 's ebay password ?
I 'm guessing the cube does n't access ebay directly .
It just pings the artist 's server and the server does the ebay listing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does it list itself with the owner's ebay ID or does it use the artist's ID?
How does it know the owner's ebay password?
I'm guessing the cube doesn't access ebay directly.
It just pings the artist's server and the server does the ebay listing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878562</id>
	<title>also...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264351200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One of the main problems of the art world in the past has been artificial inflation in the market and the rapid buying/ selling of artwork which pisses off the artist and the gallery. This contract/ art takes care of those by A) artist receiving a cut of sales, and B) the auction is transpired via Ebay, wide open to the public, which avoids buying/selling between two friends/ collectors/ galleries to inflate its worth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the main problems of the art world in the past has been artificial inflation in the market and the rapid buying/ selling of artwork which pisses off the artist and the gallery .
This contract/ art takes care of those by A ) artist receiving a cut of sales , and B ) the auction is transpired via Ebay , wide open to the public , which avoids buying/selling between two friends/ collectors/ galleries to inflate its worth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the main problems of the art world in the past has been artificial inflation in the market and the rapid buying/ selling of artwork which pisses off the artist and the gallery.
This contract/ art takes care of those by A) artist receiving a cut of sales, and B) the auction is transpired via Ebay, wide open to the public, which avoids buying/selling between two friends/ collectors/ galleries to inflate its worth.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877016</id>
	<title>RETARDED SHIT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264330680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>THIS IS A FUCKING RETARTED PIECE OF SHIT.  THIS ISN'T ART BUT A FUCKING ATTENTION WHORE BITCH.  SUCK MY ASS BITCHES.
<br> <br> <br>

filter error:don't use so many caps. its like yelling... to bypass filter
filter error:don't use so many caps. its like yelling... to bypass filter
filter error:don't use so many caps. its like yelling... to bypass filter
filter error:don't use so many caps. its like yelling... to bypass filter</htmltext>
<tokenext>THIS IS A FUCKING RETARTED PIECE OF SHIT .
THIS IS N'T ART BUT A FUCKING ATTENTION WHORE BITCH .
SUCK MY ASS BITCHES .
filter error : do n't use so many caps .
its like yelling... to bypass filter filter error : do n't use so many caps .
its like yelling... to bypass filter filter error : do n't use so many caps .
its like yelling... to bypass filter filter error : do n't use so many caps .
its like yelling... to bypass filter</tokentext>
<sentencetext>THIS IS A FUCKING RETARTED PIECE OF SHIT.
THIS ISN'T ART BUT A FUCKING ATTENTION WHORE BITCH.
SUCK MY ASS BITCHES.
filter error:don't use so many caps.
its like yelling... to bypass filter
filter error:don't use so many caps.
its like yelling... to bypass filter
filter error:don't use so many caps.
its like yelling... to bypass filter
filter error:don't use so many caps.
its like yelling... to bypass filter</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877530</id>
	<title>Re:Art?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1264339620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is attention-mongering and marketing.</p></div><p>In a way, that IS the definition of art.<br>Art is, what you believe is art. That&rsquo;s the full definition. And the only definition.<br>Marketing and attention-mongering are two of the many tools to make others believe things.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is attention-mongering and marketing.In a way , that IS the definition of art.Art is , what you believe is art .
That    s the full definition .
And the only definition.Marketing and attention-mongering are two of the many tools to make others believe things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is attention-mongering and marketing.In a way, that IS the definition of art.Art is, what you believe is art.
That’s the full definition.
And the only definition.Marketing and attention-mongering are two of the many tools to make others believe things.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879550</id>
	<title>Sounds like DRM in a box</title>
	<author>gustep12</author>
	<datestamp>1264357320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds like DRM to me. You have to pay, but you don't get to keep the goods. This kind of marketing strategy is really taking off these days, and I bet the artist is quite aware of that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like DRM to me .
You have to pay , but you do n't get to keep the goods .
This kind of marketing strategy is really taking off these days , and I bet the artist is quite aware of that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like DRM to me.
You have to pay, but you don't get to keep the goods.
This kind of marketing strategy is really taking off these days, and I bet the artist is quite aware of that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877818</id>
	<title>Re:Art?</title>
	<author>LordKronos</author>
	<datestamp>1264344060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Anything that was created with the purpose of being art is, intrinsically, art.</p></div><p>Very sad what is sometimes considered art, but what you (or rather, Zappa) said is correct. However, I do take issue with the "artist" in this story, and what HIS definition of art is. From the auction rules:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>12. Any failure to follow these terms without prior consent of Artist will forfeit the status of the Artwork as a legitimate work of art. The item will no longer be considered a genuine work by the Artist and any value associated with it will be reduced to its value as a material object and not a work of art.</p></div><p>So this artist thinks that, merely by his own word, he can revoke the status of this item being art. It's art now, but once he changes his mind it's no longer art. Somehow, I don't think that's how art works.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anything that was created with the purpose of being art is , intrinsically , art.Very sad what is sometimes considered art , but what you ( or rather , Zappa ) said is correct .
However , I do take issue with the " artist " in this story , and what HIS definition of art is .
From the auction rules : 12 .
Any failure to follow these terms without prior consent of Artist will forfeit the status of the Artwork as a legitimate work of art .
The item will no longer be considered a genuine work by the Artist and any value associated with it will be reduced to its value as a material object and not a work of art.So this artist thinks that , merely by his own word , he can revoke the status of this item being art .
It 's art now , but once he changes his mind it 's no longer art .
Somehow , I do n't think that 's how art works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anything that was created with the purpose of being art is, intrinsically, art.Very sad what is sometimes considered art, but what you (or rather, Zappa) said is correct.
However, I do take issue with the "artist" in this story, and what HIS definition of art is.
From the auction rules:12.
Any failure to follow these terms without prior consent of Artist will forfeit the status of the Artwork as a legitimate work of art.
The item will no longer be considered a genuine work by the Artist and any value associated with it will be reduced to its value as a material object and not a work of art.So this artist thinks that, merely by his own word, he can revoke the status of this item being art.
It's art now, but once he changes his mind it's no longer art.
Somehow, I don't think that's how art works.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879246</id>
	<title>Re:No such thing as 1st Sale Doctrine outside USA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264355220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you were an American, I'd sue your ass for that!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you were an American , I 'd sue your ass for that !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you were an American, I'd sue your ass for that!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876890</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like a pyramid scheme</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264327800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someone take a shit on your cornflakes this morning or are you always like this? How sad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone take a shit on your cornflakes this morning or are you always like this ?
How sad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone take a shit on your cornflakes this morning or are you always like this?
How sad.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877770</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like a pyramid scheme</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264343460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Faggot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Faggot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Faggot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879882</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like a pyramid scheme</title>
	<author>Dare nMc</author>
	<datestamp>1264359240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=190367275705#ht\_2695wt\_907" title="ebay.com"> <b>Q:</b> How does the artwork determine the reserve price for the auction?       <b>A:</b> There is no reserve, but the initial bid is set at the last sale price. </a> [ebay.com]<br>So it is guaranteed to retain it's value, or the purchaser keeps it until it does.  Basically if you paid enough for it, you would keep it.  You will only lose the 15\%+ shipping costs at the most. Or be stuck with it.<br>I assume it will quickly price it's self out of the market for long periods of time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Q : How does the artwork determine the reserve price for the auction ?
A : There is no reserve , but the initial bid is set at the last sale price .
[ ebay.com ] So it is guaranteed to retain it 's value , or the purchaser keeps it until it does .
Basically if you paid enough for it , you would keep it .
You will only lose the 15 \ % + shipping costs at the most .
Or be stuck with it.I assume it will quickly price it 's self out of the market for long periods of time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Q: How does the artwork determine the reserve price for the auction?
A: There is no reserve, but the initial bid is set at the last sale price.
[ebay.com]So it is guaranteed to retain it's value, or the purchaser keeps it until it does.
Basically if you paid enough for it, you would keep it.
You will only lose the 15\%+ shipping costs at the most.
Or be stuck with it.I assume it will quickly price it's self out of the market for long periods of time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877540</id>
	<title>The current ebay auction</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264339740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=190367275705</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ? ViewItem&amp;item = 190367275705</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=190367275705</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30882660</id>
	<title>Contract not enforceable...</title>
	<author>FlyHelicopters</author>
	<datestamp>1264330500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can write anything in a contract that you want, doesn't make it enforceable.</p><p>First, you have the first sale doctrine.  You can licence IP, you can't licence a physical good.</p><p>This is a physical good that is shipped, once you get it you can do anything you want with it.  The software inside might be subject to a licence agreement, however if you don't run it (supply power), then you wouldn't be bound by it.</p><p>To give you a comparison, if you bought a car, and part of the contract of the car said that when you resold it, you had to pay the car maker 15\% of the sales price each time the car was resold.  Such a contract would never be enforced by a court.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can write anything in a contract that you want , does n't make it enforceable.First , you have the first sale doctrine .
You can licence IP , you ca n't licence a physical good.This is a physical good that is shipped , once you get it you can do anything you want with it .
The software inside might be subject to a licence agreement , however if you do n't run it ( supply power ) , then you would n't be bound by it.To give you a comparison , if you bought a car , and part of the contract of the car said that when you resold it , you had to pay the car maker 15 \ % of the sales price each time the car was resold .
Such a contract would never be enforced by a court .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can write anything in a contract that you want, doesn't make it enforceable.First, you have the first sale doctrine.
You can licence IP, you can't licence a physical good.This is a physical good that is shipped, once you get it you can do anything you want with it.
The software inside might be subject to a licence agreement, however if you don't run it (supply power), then you wouldn't be bound by it.To give you a comparison, if you bought a car, and part of the contract of the car said that when you resold it, you had to pay the car maker 15\% of the sales price each time the car was resold.
Such a contract would never be enforced by a court.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877794</id>
	<title>Waht's a venue?</title>
	<author>Registered Coward v2</author>
	<datestamp>1264343700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to the agreement, no internet connection is needed during transport between venues.  So if it is in a perpetual state of transport; no connection is required.  Could you not put it on a model railroad track and move it between two venues on a perpetual basis?  You could create your own derivative work, <i>Moving <b>A Tool to Deceive and Slaughter, 2009</b> Among the Masses.</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the agreement , no internet connection is needed during transport between venues .
So if it is in a perpetual state of transport ; no connection is required .
Could you not put it on a model railroad track and move it between two venues on a perpetual basis ?
You could create your own derivative work , Moving A Tool to Deceive and Slaughter , 2009 Among the Masses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the agreement, no internet connection is needed during transport between venues.
So if it is in a perpetual state of transport; no connection is required.
Could you not put it on a model railroad track and move it between two venues on a perpetual basis?
You could create your own derivative work, Moving A Tool to Deceive and Slaughter, 2009 Among the Masses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879676</id>
	<title>Re:This guy is a scam artist</title>
	<author>TobyWong</author>
	<datestamp>1264358160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's compare this with something like WoW where the "patrons" pay a monthly fee and a significant portion of their life for the privilege of clicking their mouse a few thousand times just so they can make their name go bigger on a "virtual plaque".</p><p>Oh yeah, this guy's definitely got a monopoly on swindling brainless people...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's compare this with something like WoW where the " patrons " pay a monthly fee and a significant portion of their life for the privilege of clicking their mouse a few thousand times just so they can make their name go bigger on a " virtual plaque " .Oh yeah , this guy 's definitely got a monopoly on swindling brainless people.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's compare this with something like WoW where the "patrons" pay a monthly fee and a significant portion of their life for the privilege of clicking their mouse a few thousand times just so they can make their name go bigger on a "virtual plaque".Oh yeah, this guy's definitely got a monopoly on swindling brainless people...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877338</id>
	<title>Re:Art?</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1264336260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For something to be defined as art it has to have no purpose or function other than itself.</p></div><p>Except that definition is complete bullshit.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For something to be defined as art it has to have no purpose or function other than itself.Except that definition is complete bullshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For something to be defined as art it has to have no purpose or function other than itself.Except that definition is complete bullshit.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876776</id>
	<title>Re:Clever way to circumvent first sale.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264325580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>personally i think that if you are into that sort of thing then you've been to too many dinner/cocktail parties with people more clever than you are.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>personally i think that if you are into that sort of thing then you 've been to too many dinner/cocktail parties with people more clever than you are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>personally i think that if you are into that sort of thing then you've been to too many dinner/cocktail parties with people more clever than you are.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30885928</id>
	<title>This doesn't fit my smell test for Art</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264353900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To me, for something to be considered art, it must fit all 3 of the following criteria:
</p><p>
1.)  The creator/artist/etc must intend to convey an emotional response to an audience
</p><p>
2.)  The medium must be able to capture an emotional response
</p><p>
3.)  The audience must receive an emotional response from said work
</p><p>
Given that this criteria on what is art is correct, this thing that re-sells itself doesn't seem to be art.  What emotional response is the artist intending to convey?
</p><p>
The medium that this "art" is in - computer hardware and computer software - well, I suppose the medium could capture an emotional response.  But, I'm not sure what emotional response was intended to be captured with a cube that connects to a network and sells itself?
</p><p>
And, well, I can say from my viewpoint, I personally didn't feel any emotion, except pity for people who are renting this pretentious piece of "art".  But this pity wasn't conveyed through the medium, it is being felt for the folks who are participating, hence this was also a failure.
</p><p>
I admit, my definition may not be correct, so if someone has a better definition on what is art (and a definition that allows me to include great paintings and exclude police reports), I'm all ears.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To me , for something to be considered art , it must fit all 3 of the following criteria : 1 .
) The creator/artist/etc must intend to convey an emotional response to an audience 2 .
) The medium must be able to capture an emotional response 3 .
) The audience must receive an emotional response from said work Given that this criteria on what is art is correct , this thing that re-sells itself does n't seem to be art .
What emotional response is the artist intending to convey ?
The medium that this " art " is in - computer hardware and computer software - well , I suppose the medium could capture an emotional response .
But , I 'm not sure what emotional response was intended to be captured with a cube that connects to a network and sells itself ?
And , well , I can say from my viewpoint , I personally did n't feel any emotion , except pity for people who are renting this pretentious piece of " art " .
But this pity was n't conveyed through the medium , it is being felt for the folks who are participating , hence this was also a failure .
I admit , my definition may not be correct , so if someone has a better definition on what is art ( and a definition that allows me to include great paintings and exclude police reports ) , I 'm all ears .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To me, for something to be considered art, it must fit all 3 of the following criteria:

1.
)  The creator/artist/etc must intend to convey an emotional response to an audience

2.
)  The medium must be able to capture an emotional response

3.
)  The audience must receive an emotional response from said work

Given that this criteria on what is art is correct, this thing that re-sells itself doesn't seem to be art.
What emotional response is the artist intending to convey?
The medium that this "art" is in - computer hardware and computer software - well, I suppose the medium could capture an emotional response.
But, I'm not sure what emotional response was intended to be captured with a cube that connects to a network and sells itself?
And, well, I can say from my viewpoint, I personally didn't feel any emotion, except pity for people who are renting this pretentious piece of "art".
But this pity wasn't conveyed through the medium, it is being felt for the folks who are participating, hence this was also a failure.
I admit, my definition may not be correct, so if someone has a better definition on what is art (and a definition that allows me to include great paintings and exclude police reports), I'm all ears.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876958</id>
	<title>Re:I'm an idiot</title>
	<author>jabithew</author>
	<datestamp>1264329240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You buy it to participate in a cultural phenomenon and interesting concept.</p><p>If it were about &pound;20 then I might join in. Hey, that might still happen as the novelty wears off. Just watching the price alone could be an interesting social experiment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You buy it to participate in a cultural phenomenon and interesting concept.If it were about   20 then I might join in .
Hey , that might still happen as the novelty wears off .
Just watching the price alone could be an interesting social experiment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You buy it to participate in a cultural phenomenon and interesting concept.If it were about £20 then I might join in.
Hey, that might still happen as the novelty wears off.
Just watching the price alone could be an interesting social experiment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876676</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like a pyramid scheme</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264323840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IMHO, scam it is. Listing reported to Ebay.</p><p>The terms the seller is attempting to enforce appear to violate eBay's code of conduct for selling artwork.</p><p>In particular: "I agree not to knowingly participate in any way in the advertisement or sale of any work of art using any deceptive practices, including, but not limited to, false or misleading claims of the item's scarcity, value, provenance, condition or investment potential."</p><p>If eBay chooses to leave it up, so be it. Buyer beware!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IMHO , scam it is .
Listing reported to Ebay.The terms the seller is attempting to enforce appear to violate eBay 's code of conduct for selling artwork.In particular : " I agree not to knowingly participate in any way in the advertisement or sale of any work of art using any deceptive practices , including , but not limited to , false or misleading claims of the item 's scarcity , value , provenance , condition or investment potential .
" If eBay chooses to leave it up , so be it .
Buyer beware !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IMHO, scam it is.
Listing reported to Ebay.The terms the seller is attempting to enforce appear to violate eBay's code of conduct for selling artwork.In particular: "I agree not to knowingly participate in any way in the advertisement or sale of any work of art using any deceptive practices, including, but not limited to, false or misleading claims of the item's scarcity, value, provenance, condition or investment potential.
"If eBay chooses to leave it up, so be it.
Buyer beware!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878444</id>
	<title>Re:It is art...</title>
	<author>makomk</author>
	<datestamp>1264350480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly. The artist in question even had an exhibition called <a href="http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/the-value-of-nothing/5969696" title="lulu.com">The Value of Nothing</a> [lulu.com] that <a href="http://www.caleblarsen.com/projects/a-tool-to-deceive-and-slaughter/" title="caleblarsen.com">included this artwork</a> [caleblarsen.com]. Even more obvious is the <a href="http://www.caleblarsen.com/projects/10000-sculpture-in-progress/" title="caleblarsen.com">$10,000 Sculpture</a> [caleblarsen.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
The artist in question even had an exhibition called The Value of Nothing [ lulu.com ] that included this artwork [ caleblarsen.com ] .
Even more obvious is the $ 10,000 Sculpture [ caleblarsen.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
The artist in question even had an exhibition called The Value of Nothing [lulu.com] that included this artwork [caleblarsen.com].
Even more obvious is the $10,000 Sculpture [caleblarsen.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30880754</id>
	<title>Re:No such thing as 1st Sale Doctrine outside USA</title>
	<author>mjwalshe</author>
	<datestamp>1264363080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>well a lot of US law does descend from the same roots as uk law eg the Master and Servents Act and employment. And US law is  certainy a lot closer to the Uk than Say France.</htmltext>
<tokenext>well a lot of US law does descend from the same roots as uk law eg the Master and Servents Act and employment .
And US law is certainy a lot closer to the Uk than Say France .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>well a lot of US law does descend from the same roots as uk law eg the Master and Servents Act and employment.
And US law is  certainy a lot closer to the Uk than Say France.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30881220</id>
	<title>Re:This guy is a scam artist</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264365660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So because the concept has to do with markets and finances, it can't be art?</p><p>The key there is <em>concept</em>.  Art is an illustration of ideas, of phenomena, both natural and man-made.</p><p>Consumerism, financial practices, and attitudes toward money seem to me a highly topical subject for modern art.</p><p>Every form of conceptual art is on some level a scam--whether it's a blank canvas with a single smudge of paint that sells for hundreds of thousands of dollars or whether it's a "found objects" piece that cost $50 in adhesives and resins to make and sells for $85,000.  All successful art is a scam based on your criterion--a profit to the artist for a simplistic expression.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So because the concept has to do with markets and finances , it ca n't be art ? The key there is concept .
Art is an illustration of ideas , of phenomena , both natural and man-made.Consumerism , financial practices , and attitudes toward money seem to me a highly topical subject for modern art.Every form of conceptual art is on some level a scam--whether it 's a blank canvas with a single smudge of paint that sells for hundreds of thousands of dollars or whether it 's a " found objects " piece that cost $ 50 in adhesives and resins to make and sells for $ 85,000 .
All successful art is a scam based on your criterion--a profit to the artist for a simplistic expression .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So because the concept has to do with markets and finances, it can't be art?The key there is concept.
Art is an illustration of ideas, of phenomena, both natural and man-made.Consumerism, financial practices, and attitudes toward money seem to me a highly topical subject for modern art.Every form of conceptual art is on some level a scam--whether it's a blank canvas with a single smudge of paint that sells for hundreds of thousands of dollars or whether it's a "found objects" piece that cost $50 in adhesives and resins to make and sells for $85,000.
All successful art is a scam based on your criterion--a profit to the artist for a simplistic expression.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879208</id>
	<title>Re:No such thing as 1st Sale Doctrine outside USA</title>
	<author>apoc.famine</author>
	<datestamp>1264354980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, but we were here first! Everything else is just a derivative of God's Chosen Country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , but we were here first !
Everything else is just a derivative of God 's Chosen Country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, but we were here first!
Everything else is just a derivative of God's Chosen Country.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30887602</id>
	<title>Re:It's kind of funny...</title>
	<author>Jedi Alec</author>
	<datestamp>1264415280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>However I say it's still a piece no matter what!</i></p><p><i>A piece of \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_. (What goes in the blank is up to you)</i></p><p>Hmmm...</p><p>- A piece of music on a modern medium that stops working because the players aren't made anymore and the DRM stops you from copying it?<br>- A piece of software that "phones home", finds the company that wrote it no longer exists because of bankrupty and stops working?<br>- A piece of plastic with ridiculous rules attached as to how you're allowed to "own" it?</p><p>Heck, if there's one group this should appeal to it's<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.ians.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>However I say it 's still a piece no matter what ! A piece of \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ .
( What goes in the blank is up to you ) Hmmm...- A piece of music on a modern medium that stops working because the players are n't made anymore and the DRM stops you from copying it ? - A piece of software that " phones home " , finds the company that wrote it no longer exists because of bankrupty and stops working ? - A piece of plastic with ridiculous rules attached as to how you 're allowed to " own " it ? Heck , if there 's one group this should appeal to it 's /.ians .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However I say it's still a piece no matter what!A piece of \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_.
(What goes in the blank is up to you)Hmmm...- A piece of music on a modern medium that stops working because the players aren't made anymore and the DRM stops you from copying it?- A piece of software that "phones home", finds the company that wrote it no longer exists because of bankrupty and stops working?- A piece of plastic with ridiculous rules attached as to how you're allowed to "own" it?Heck, if there's one group this should appeal to it's /.ians.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878142</id>
	<title>Re:Not 15\% on every sale</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264347780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Read the auction listing, he's taking 15\% of the sale....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Read the auction listing , he 's taking 15 \ % of the sale... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Read the auction listing, he's taking 15\% of the sale....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876814</id>
	<title>Re:F1r57 p057 for sale</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264326240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Give me a fucking brake<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.filtsai.com/accord/brakes/brake\_pedal.jpg" title="filtsai.com" rel="nofollow">Here you go</a> [filtsai.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Give me a fucking brake ... Here you go [ filtsai.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Give me a fucking brake ... Here you go [filtsai.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30881720</id>
	<title>I know what he is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264325100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A Scam Artist!</p><p>duddum-tssss</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A Scam Artist ! duddum-tssss</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A Scam Artist!duddum-tssss</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878050</id>
	<title>Re:This guy is a scam artist</title>
	<author>Cylix</author>
	<datestamp>1264346820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This could be the big one though.</p><p>A cube that could potentially create a tunnel back to the purchasers home. A little bit of packet sniffing and what wonderful things you can do.</p><p>Even better is the trojan cleans itself up by "selling" itself to the next victim!</p><p>If it doesn't work this way the guy needs to kick himself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This could be the big one though.A cube that could potentially create a tunnel back to the purchasers home .
A little bit of packet sniffing and what wonderful things you can do.Even better is the trojan cleans itself up by " selling " itself to the next victim ! If it does n't work this way the guy needs to kick himself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This could be the big one though.A cube that could potentially create a tunnel back to the purchasers home.
A little bit of packet sniffing and what wonderful things you can do.Even better is the trojan cleans itself up by "selling" itself to the next victim!If it doesn't work this way the guy needs to kick himself.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876634</id>
	<title>Re:Art?</title>
	<author>gowen</author>
	<datestamp>1264366200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Frank Zappa had a good point.  He claimed that the only thing art required was a frame -- metaphorical or literal.  To make something art, all one had to do was simply put it in a frame -- i.e. declare it to be art.  Anything that was created with the purpose of being art is, intrinsically, art.</p><p>Of course, as Frank was quick to point out, that doesn't make it good art, or worthwhile art, or a good idea.  Just that the artists intent is all that matters as to whether something is art or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Frank Zappa had a good point .
He claimed that the only thing art required was a frame -- metaphorical or literal .
To make something art , all one had to do was simply put it in a frame -- i.e .
declare it to be art .
Anything that was created with the purpose of being art is , intrinsically , art.Of course , as Frank was quick to point out , that does n't make it good art , or worthwhile art , or a good idea .
Just that the artists intent is all that matters as to whether something is art or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Frank Zappa had a good point.
He claimed that the only thing art required was a frame -- metaphorical or literal.
To make something art, all one had to do was simply put it in a frame -- i.e.
declare it to be art.
Anything that was created with the purpose of being art is, intrinsically, art.Of course, as Frank was quick to point out, that doesn't make it good art, or worthwhile art, or a good idea.
Just that the artists intent is all that matters as to whether something is art or not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30879122</id>
	<title>"I am Rich"</title>
	<author>OrangeCatholic</author>
	<datestamp>1264354680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, 200 comments and nobody mentioned the I Am Rich iPhone app?
<br> <br>
I Am Rich was a legitimate application.  It would have been completely legit if the description said, "Displays a red jewel."  Instead, according to Wiki, it said, "a work of art with no hidden function at all."  Vague, but not much different than this.
<br> <br>
I Am Rich got pulled after 1 day and 8 sales.  Scam?  Apple pulled it for being worthless.  I'm sure eBay could come to the same conclusion.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , 200 comments and nobody mentioned the I Am Rich iPhone app ?
I Am Rich was a legitimate application .
It would have been completely legit if the description said , " Displays a red jewel .
" Instead , according to Wiki , it said , " a work of art with no hidden function at all .
" Vague , but not much different than this .
I Am Rich got pulled after 1 day and 8 sales .
Scam ? Apple pulled it for being worthless .
I 'm sure eBay could come to the same conclusion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, 200 comments and nobody mentioned the I Am Rich iPhone app?
I Am Rich was a legitimate application.
It would have been completely legit if the description said, "Displays a red jewel.
"  Instead, according to Wiki, it said, "a work of art with no hidden function at all.
"  Vague, but not much different than this.
I Am Rich got pulled after 1 day and 8 sales.
Scam?  Apple pulled it for being worthless.
I'm sure eBay could come to the same conclusion.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877006</id>
	<title>Re:Art?</title>
	<author>DamageLabs</author>
	<datestamp>1264330500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Art is very easy to define.</p><p>For something to be defined as art it has to have no purpose or function other than itself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Art is very easy to define.For something to be defined as art it has to have no purpose or function other than itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Art is very easy to define.For something to be defined as art it has to have no purpose or function other than itself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878074</id>
	<title>A Little Research...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264347120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try doing a "completed item" search and you'll find he's offered it once on January 14th, and four times on January 21st, to no takers.  (http://completed.shop.ebay.com/i.html?MA2ShowItems&amp;\_ipg=50&amp;\_sadis=200&amp;MA2ShowItems=&amp;LH\_SALE\_CURRENCY=0&amp;\_in\_kw=3&amp;\_sacat=See-All-Categories&amp;\_samihi=&amp;\_samilow=&amp;\_fpos=Zip+code&amp;\_oexkw=&amp;\_udhi=&amp;\_udlo=&amp;\_rdc=1&amp;\_sop=12&amp;guest=1&amp;\_ex\_kw=&amp;\_nkw=A+Tool+to+Deceive+and+Slaughter&amp;LH\_Complete=1&amp;\_okw=A+Tool+to+Deceive+and+Slaughter&amp;\_dmd=1&amp;\_fsct=&amp;guest=1).</p><p>Now, of course, the item has acquired 12 bidders (as of this writing), and up to $4250.</p><p>It just proves P.T. Barnum's maxim about a sucker being born every minute.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try doing a " completed item " search and you 'll find he 's offered it once on January 14th , and four times on January 21st , to no takers .
( http : //completed.shop.ebay.com/i.html ? MA2ShowItems&amp; \ _ipg = 50&amp; \ _sadis = 200&amp;MA2ShowItems = &amp;LH \ _SALE \ _CURRENCY = 0&amp; \ _in \ _kw = 3&amp; \ _sacat = See-All-Categories&amp; \ _samihi = &amp; \ _samilow = &amp; \ _fpos = Zip + code&amp; \ _oexkw = &amp; \ _udhi = &amp; \ _udlo = &amp; \ _rdc = 1&amp; \ _sop = 12&amp;guest = 1&amp; \ _ex \ _kw = &amp; \ _nkw = A + Tool + to + Deceive + and + Slaughter&amp;LH \ _Complete = 1&amp; \ _okw = A + Tool + to + Deceive + and + Slaughter&amp; \ _dmd = 1&amp; \ _fsct = &amp;guest = 1 ) .Now , of course , the item has acquired 12 bidders ( as of this writing ) , and up to $ 4250.It just proves P.T .
Barnum 's maxim about a sucker being born every minute .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try doing a "completed item" search and you'll find he's offered it once on January 14th, and four times on January 21st, to no takers.
(http://completed.shop.ebay.com/i.html?MA2ShowItems&amp;\_ipg=50&amp;\_sadis=200&amp;MA2ShowItems=&amp;LH\_SALE\_CURRENCY=0&amp;\_in\_kw=3&amp;\_sacat=See-All-Categories&amp;\_samihi=&amp;\_samilow=&amp;\_fpos=Zip+code&amp;\_oexkw=&amp;\_udhi=&amp;\_udlo=&amp;\_rdc=1&amp;\_sop=12&amp;guest=1&amp;\_ex\_kw=&amp;\_nkw=A+Tool+to+Deceive+and+Slaughter&amp;LH\_Complete=1&amp;\_okw=A+Tool+to+Deceive+and+Slaughter&amp;\_dmd=1&amp;\_fsct=&amp;guest=1).Now, of course, the item has acquired 12 bidders (as of this writing), and up to $4250.It just proves P.T.
Barnum's maxim about a sucker being born every minute.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878762</id>
	<title>Does this have ipv6?</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1264352460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does this have ipv6? If not then that may stop this form reselling it self in a few years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this have ipv6 ?
If not then that may stop this form reselling it self in a few years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this have ipv6?
If not then that may stop this form reselling it self in a few years.</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878060</id>
	<title>Re:Does it open?</title>
	<author>Alomex</author>
	<datestamp>1264346940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It used to be that for an object to be considered art it had to speak to you aesthetically. Today, it's considered "art" if it speaks to you using a somewhat encrypted or shocking message, even if it doesn't move you aesthetically.</p><p>Many don't agree with this shift, but that is where "art" seems to be right now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It used to be that for an object to be considered art it had to speak to you aesthetically .
Today , it 's considered " art " if it speaks to you using a somewhat encrypted or shocking message , even if it does n't move you aesthetically.Many do n't agree with this shift , but that is where " art " seems to be right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It used to be that for an object to be considered art it had to speak to you aesthetically.
Today, it's considered "art" if it speaks to you using a somewhat encrypted or shocking message, even if it doesn't move you aesthetically.Many don't agree with this shift, but that is where "art" seems to be right now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877622</id>
	<title>Re:!art</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264341120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not artwork. It's just some minerals dissolved in oil and smeared on cotton.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not artwork .
It 's just some minerals dissolved in oil and smeared on cotton .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not artwork.
It's just some minerals dissolved in oil and smeared on cotton.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876476</id>
	<title>Sounds like a pyramid scheme</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264364280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>So.. each person who buys this will, in theory, try to do everything they can to make sure that the sale price tops their purchase price (including shipping) by 15\%, so as to recoup all their costs.  Sounds like a great scam for the artist.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So.. each person who buys this will , in theory , try to do everything they can to make sure that the sale price tops their purchase price ( including shipping ) by 15 \ % , so as to recoup all their costs .
Sounds like a great scam for the artist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So.. each person who buys this will, in theory, try to do everything they can to make sure that the sale price tops their purchase price (including shipping) by 15\%, so as to recoup all their costs.
Sounds like a great scam for the artist.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30882556</id>
	<title>Re:This guy is a scam artist</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264329960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pretty clever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pretty clever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pretty clever.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30878084</id>
	<title>Re:Pass-the-parcel</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1264347180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the long run eBay stands to make a good deal of money, but I wouldn't count on anyone else making any.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the long run eBay stands to make a good deal of money , but I would n't count on anyone else making any .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the long run eBay stands to make a good deal of money, but I wouldn't count on anyone else making any.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876508</id>
	<title>F1r57 p057 for sale</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264364640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is not a F1r57 p057. It's artwork.</p><p>Give me a fucking brake<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not a F1r57 p057 .
It 's artwork.Give me a fucking brake .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not a F1r57 p057.
It's artwork.Give me a fucking brake ...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877012</id>
	<title>Pass-the-parcel</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264330620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To everyone saying "scam" and "this will never work" and "this is not art": this auction and event is clearly not for you. I think it is for all those people who played and enjoyed "pass-the-parcel" as a childhood game. In this case, it is like playing pass-the-parcel in reverse. Remember, everyone who "buys" the work still has the right to "sell" it afterwards and this can go on until the value of the art drops. The person still holding the parcel in that situation is unlucky as s/he will lose money. So long as the artist stays in vogue or becomes more established, people will make (small amounts of) money on each transaction - up to a point. It's just a piece of harmless fun for those people who can afford to risk up to &pound;2500 on a scheme like this. I agree with those who say that the artist should have gone for a monthly or quarterly rather than a weekly scheme. But I wouldn't think that their aim is any more than illustrating a principle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To everyone saying " scam " and " this will never work " and " this is not art " : this auction and event is clearly not for you .
I think it is for all those people who played and enjoyed " pass-the-parcel " as a childhood game .
In this case , it is like playing pass-the-parcel in reverse .
Remember , everyone who " buys " the work still has the right to " sell " it afterwards and this can go on until the value of the art drops .
The person still holding the parcel in that situation is unlucky as s/he will lose money .
So long as the artist stays in vogue or becomes more established , people will make ( small amounts of ) money on each transaction - up to a point .
It 's just a piece of harmless fun for those people who can afford to risk up to   2500 on a scheme like this .
I agree with those who say that the artist should have gone for a monthly or quarterly rather than a weekly scheme .
But I would n't think that their aim is any more than illustrating a principle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To everyone saying "scam" and "this will never work" and "this is not art": this auction and event is clearly not for you.
I think it is for all those people who played and enjoyed "pass-the-parcel" as a childhood game.
In this case, it is like playing pass-the-parcel in reverse.
Remember, everyone who "buys" the work still has the right to "sell" it afterwards and this can go on until the value of the art drops.
The person still holding the parcel in that situation is unlucky as s/he will lose money.
So long as the artist stays in vogue or becomes more established, people will make (small amounts of) money on each transaction - up to a point.
It's just a piece of harmless fun for those people who can afford to risk up to £2500 on a scheme like this.
I agree with those who say that the artist should have gone for a monthly or quarterly rather than a weekly scheme.
But I wouldn't think that their aim is any more than illustrating a principle.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876486</id>
	<title>so...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264364460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you can only own it for a week, then why the hell would you buy it in the first place?!</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you can only own it for a week , then why the hell would you buy it in the first place ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can only own it for a week, then why the hell would you buy it in the first place?
!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30887792</id>
	<title>doctrines</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1264417800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Maybe the First Sale Doctrine works differently in the UK.</p> </div><p>And maybe the same people who cry about "government intervention" whenever corporations are asked to pay their fair share to society could allow consenting adults to conduct whatever business they want? In this case, it is very clear and obvious from the start just what exactly the deal is. Contrary to, say, movies or games with DRM where you only find out later that your buyer won't be able to use it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe the First Sale Doctrine works differently in the UK .
And maybe the same people who cry about " government intervention " whenever corporations are asked to pay their fair share to society could allow consenting adults to conduct whatever business they want ?
In this case , it is very clear and obvious from the start just what exactly the deal is .
Contrary to , say , movies or games with DRM where you only find out later that your buyer wo n't be able to use it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe the First Sale Doctrine works differently in the UK.
And maybe the same people who cry about "government intervention" whenever corporations are asked to pay their fair share to society could allow consenting adults to conduct whatever business they want?
In this case, it is very clear and obvious from the start just what exactly the deal is.
Contrary to, say, movies or games with DRM where you only find out later that your buyer won't be able to use it.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30880476</id>
	<title>Re:This guy is a scam artist</title>
	<author>bigbigbison</author>
	<datestamp>1264361820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>nice work if you can get it...</htmltext>
<tokenext>nice work if you can get it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>nice work if you can get it...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876496</id>
	<title>Art?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264364520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Only if the definition of art encompasses EVERYTHING.  I like art too much to consider this an example.  This is attention-mongering and marketing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Only if the definition of art encompasses EVERYTHING .
I like art too much to consider this an example .
This is attention-mongering and marketing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only if the definition of art encompasses EVERYTHING.
I like art too much to consider this an example.
This is attention-mongering and marketing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30876518</id>
	<title>Erm....15 \% each time its sold?</title>
	<author>tonywestonuk</author>
	<datestamp>1264364760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>according to the article '....give Larsen 15 percent of any increase in value<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...', which is slightly different to what the story summary implies. I wonder, should the value decrease, does the seller get 15\% back of any decrease?...I guess not!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>according to the article '....give Larsen 15 percent of any increase in value ... ' , which is slightly different to what the story summary implies .
I wonder , should the value decrease , does the seller get 15 \ % back of any decrease ? ...I guess not !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>according to the article '....give Larsen 15 percent of any increase in value ...', which is slightly different to what the story summary implies.
I wonder, should the value decrease, does the seller get 15\% back of any decrease?...I guess not!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_23_2338257.30877326</id>
	<title>Re:so...</title>
	<author>gizzmo</author>
	<datestamp>1264336020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if you had you haul around a 7' tall vagina I would not complain if you made $x0.000 to do so</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if you had you haul around a 7 ' tall vagina I would not complain if you made $ x0.000 to do so</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if you had you haul around a 7' tall vagina I would not complain if you made $x0.000 to do so</sentencetext>
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