<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_21_2340213</id>
	<title>Nokia To Make GPS Navigation Free On Smartphones</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1264074600000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>mliu writes <i>"In what is sure to be a blow to the <a href="http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/09/10/30/1459253/Will-Google-and-Android-Kill-Standalone-GPS">already beleaguered stand-alone GPS market</a>, Nokia, the global leader in smartphone market share, has <a href="http://maps.nokia.com/explore-services/ovi-maps">released a fully offline-enabled free GPS navigation and mapping application</a> for its Symbian smartphones.  Furthermore, the application also includes Lonely Planet and Michelin guides.  Unfortunately, the N900, which is beloved by geeks for its Maemo Linux-based operating system, has not seen any of the navigation love so far.  With Google's release of Google Navigation for Android smartphones, and now Nokia doing one better and releasing an offline-enabled navigation application, hopefully this is the start of a trend where this becomes an expected component of any smartphone."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>mliu writes " In what is sure to be a blow to the already beleaguered stand-alone GPS market , Nokia , the global leader in smartphone market share , has released a fully offline-enabled free GPS navigation and mapping application for its Symbian smartphones .
Furthermore , the application also includes Lonely Planet and Michelin guides .
Unfortunately , the N900 , which is beloved by geeks for its Maemo Linux-based operating system , has not seen any of the navigation love so far .
With Google 's release of Google Navigation for Android smartphones , and now Nokia doing one better and releasing an offline-enabled navigation application , hopefully this is the start of a trend where this becomes an expected component of any smartphone .
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<sentencetext>mliu writes "In what is sure to be a blow to the already beleaguered stand-alone GPS market, Nokia, the global leader in smartphone market share, has released a fully offline-enabled free GPS navigation and mapping application for its Symbian smartphones.
Furthermore, the application also includes Lonely Planet and Michelin guides.
Unfortunately, the N900, which is beloved by geeks for its Maemo Linux-based operating system, has not seen any of the navigation love so far.
With Google's release of Google Navigation for Android smartphones, and now Nokia doing one better and releasing an offline-enabled navigation application, hopefully this is the start of a trend where this becomes an expected component of any smartphone.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854652</id>
	<title>Re:Standalone GPS</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1264080900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I regularly attach the garmin to the deck of my sea kayak and dunk it in the ocean. I don't plan on doing that to a smart phone.</p></div><p>Meanwhile, I refuse to buy another smartphone until I can get one that I can attach to the deck of a sea kayak and dunk it in the ocean. Just got a nokia 1661... it makes calls and rings alarms, and was twenty bucks. I'd like more features, but I'd like them on a device that's not a fragile piece of shit as nearly all electronics seem to be.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I regularly attach the garmin to the deck of my sea kayak and dunk it in the ocean .
I do n't plan on doing that to a smart phone.Meanwhile , I refuse to buy another smartphone until I can get one that I can attach to the deck of a sea kayak and dunk it in the ocean .
Just got a nokia 1661... it makes calls and rings alarms , and was twenty bucks .
I 'd like more features , but I 'd like them on a device that 's not a fragile piece of shit as nearly all electronics seem to be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I regularly attach the garmin to the deck of my sea kayak and dunk it in the ocean.
I don't plan on doing that to a smart phone.Meanwhile, I refuse to buy another smartphone until I can get one that I can attach to the deck of a sea kayak and dunk it in the ocean.
Just got a nokia 1661... it makes calls and rings alarms, and was twenty bucks.
I'd like more features, but I'd like them on a device that's not a fragile piece of shit as nearly all electronics seem to be.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854766</id>
	<title>Re:Offline GPS?</title>
	<author>heffrey</author>
	<datestamp>1264081500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Plenty of memory on a micro-sd card</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Plenty of memory on a micro-sd card</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plenty of memory on a micro-sd card</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30860318</id>
	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>DarthVain</author>
	<datestamp>1264180260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>iPhone has a free navigator? Pray do tell!</p><p>I just got a new iPhone, and the tomtom, etc.. navigation apps seems to cost about 60-80$ or am I missing something.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>iPhone has a free navigator ?
Pray do tell ! I just got a new iPhone , and the tomtom , etc.. navigation apps seems to cost about 60-80 $ or am I missing something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iPhone has a free navigator?
Pray do tell!I just got a new iPhone, and the tomtom, etc.. navigation apps seems to cost about 60-80$ or am I missing something.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854584</id>
	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>Ahnteis</author>
	<datestamp>1264080600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>- GPS navigator<br>- compact camera.<br>- camcorder.<br>- watch<br>- document scanner<br>- portable game console<br>- mp3 player, video player<br>- a bunch of other things from last century like voice recorder, calculator, radio etc.</p><p>Your GPS doesn't get traffic data.<br>Your camera has a horribly small lens and is good only for taking 4x6 photos.<br>Your watch can't be kept with you while doing anything active.<br>Your document scanner is horrible quality.<br>Your portable game console is limited by having touchscreen only and no physical controls.<br>Using your mp3 player/video player (and any of the above) will deplete your phone battery so you can't receive calls.<br>etc.</p><p>I get that it may work for you, but there's a good market for standalone devices for a reason.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>- GPS navigator- compact camera.- camcorder.- watch- document scanner- portable game console- mp3 player , video player- a bunch of other things from last century like voice recorder , calculator , radio etc.Your GPS does n't get traffic data.Your camera has a horribly small lens and is good only for taking 4x6 photos.Your watch ca n't be kept with you while doing anything active.Your document scanner is horrible quality.Your portable game console is limited by having touchscreen only and no physical controls.Using your mp3 player/video player ( and any of the above ) will deplete your phone battery so you ca n't receive calls.etc.I get that it may work for you , but there 's a good market for standalone devices for a reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>- GPS navigator- compact camera.- camcorder.- watch- document scanner- portable game console- mp3 player, video player- a bunch of other things from last century like voice recorder, calculator, radio etc.Your GPS doesn't get traffic data.Your camera has a horribly small lens and is good only for taking 4x6 photos.Your watch can't be kept with you while doing anything active.Your document scanner is horrible quality.Your portable game console is limited by having touchscreen only and no physical controls.Using your mp3 player/video player (and any of the above) will deplete your phone battery so you can't receive calls.etc.I get that it may work for you, but there's a good market for standalone devices for a reason.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855396</id>
	<title>Provider dependent?</title>
	<author>failedlogic</author>
	<datestamp>1264086480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just wondering if this is provider dependent. Can the provider ask or change the GPS feature on the phone to simply turn it off unless you pay them x per month? And if you turn off the phone and use GPS, I assume there won't be any roaming charges since your phone is talking to the GPS satellite? I plan on travelling more often to the US (from Canada) and was hoping a GPS plus local maps on a smartphone would be handy.</p><p>I'd like to get a GPS since I've seen some software you can add to some smart phones to log mileage and from running and biking. I run marathons and  usually have my cell phone with me when not competing (all for fun). The Heart Rate Monitor + GPS (together) are over $400 CAD whereas I have a $150 HRM and I need a new phone anyways.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just wondering if this is provider dependent .
Can the provider ask or change the GPS feature on the phone to simply turn it off unless you pay them x per month ?
And if you turn off the phone and use GPS , I assume there wo n't be any roaming charges since your phone is talking to the GPS satellite ?
I plan on travelling more often to the US ( from Canada ) and was hoping a GPS plus local maps on a smartphone would be handy.I 'd like to get a GPS since I 've seen some software you can add to some smart phones to log mileage and from running and biking .
I run marathons and usually have my cell phone with me when not competing ( all for fun ) .
The Heart Rate Monitor + GPS ( together ) are over $ 400 CAD whereas I have a $ 150 HRM and I need a new phone anyways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just wondering if this is provider dependent.
Can the provider ask or change the GPS feature on the phone to simply turn it off unless you pay them x per month?
And if you turn off the phone and use GPS, I assume there won't be any roaming charges since your phone is talking to the GPS satellite?
I plan on travelling more often to the US (from Canada) and was hoping a GPS plus local maps on a smartphone would be handy.I'd like to get a GPS since I've seen some software you can add to some smart phones to log mileage and from running and biking.
I run marathons and  usually have my cell phone with me when not competing (all for fun).
The Heart Rate Monitor + GPS (together) are over $400 CAD whereas I have a $150 HRM and I need a new phone anyways.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855142</id>
	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264084320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The one thing I disagree with heartily is "calculator."
The computer algebra system of my TI-89 is excellent, far better than anything I've seen for an iPhone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The one thing I disagree with heartily is " calculator .
" The computer algebra system of my TI-89 is excellent , far better than anything I 've seen for an iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The one thing I disagree with heartily is "calculator.
"
The computer algebra system of my TI-89 is excellent, far better than anything I've seen for an iPhone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855632</id>
	<title>In Europe Android still has no free turn-by-turn</title>
	<author>Mike Zilva</author>
	<datestamp>1264088400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lets hope this will push google to offer turn-by-turn GPS navigation in Europe.
I'm sure the Nexus One will be more expensive after tax in EU, so it doesn't make much sense.
Hum.. what if I buy a Droid and drive by car to Europe, will turn-by-turn stop working at some point and multi-touch kiks in? anyways I always have my multi-touch steering wheel<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lets hope this will push google to offer turn-by-turn GPS navigation in Europe .
I 'm sure the Nexus One will be more expensive after tax in EU , so it does n't make much sense .
Hum.. what if I buy a Droid and drive by car to Europe , will turn-by-turn stop working at some point and multi-touch kiks in ?
anyways I always have my multi-touch steering wheel : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lets hope this will push google to offer turn-by-turn GPS navigation in Europe.
I'm sure the Nexus One will be more expensive after tax in EU, so it doesn't make much sense.
Hum.. what if I buy a Droid and drive by car to Europe, will turn-by-turn stop working at some point and multi-touch kiks in?
anyways I always have my multi-touch steering wheel :P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855258</id>
	<title>Re:Outdated</title>
	<author>INeededALogin</author>
	<datestamp>1264085220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>The problem is, will Nokia keep on updating their free directions?</i> <br> <br>
You do realize that Nokia owns Navteq which re-sells the map data to other companies.  Free doesn't mean that it can't be monetized and profitable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is , will Nokia keep on updating their free directions ?
You do realize that Nokia owns Navteq which re-sells the map data to other companies .
Free does n't mean that it ca n't be monetized and profitable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is, will Nokia keep on updating their free directions?
You do realize that Nokia owns Navteq which re-sells the map data to other companies.
Free doesn't mean that it can't be monetized and profitable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854254</id>
	<title>GNU components.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264078680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"... hopefully this is the start of a trend where this becomes an expected component of any smartphone.""</p><p>GPS because of E911 already is a standard component.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ... hopefully this is the start of a trend where this becomes an expected component of any smartphone .
" " GPS because of E911 already is a standard component .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"... hopefully this is the start of a trend where this becomes an expected component of any smartphone.
""GPS because of E911 already is a standard component.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30858484</id>
	<title>Re:My e71 already does this</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1264169160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Seriously, you don't know what you guys are missing with Nokia/Symbian phones.</p><p>-Media players play DRM free files.</p></div><p>My android phone plays it checked</p><p><div class="quote"><p>-Easy 802.11 access/use</p></div><p>My Android phone does that, checked</p><p><div class="quote"><p>-Decent 'office' application.  Opens my text files, that's all I care about.</p></div><p>My android phone does that, checked</p><p><div class="quote"><p>-SMTP support.  I know they HAD crackberry support on my old communicator.  I assume it's still available.</p></div><p>Android phone does it, checked</p><p><div class="quote"><p>-Apps for a sysadmin.</p></div><p>I have a bash and root access, is that enough?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>-Solid mobile java support</p></div><p>I have that... checked</p><p><div class="quote"><p>-GPS, directions, and all that.  However, you need windows as an intermediary between the phone and nokia's maps.</p></div><p>I am using an offline navigation software, however the integrated GPS could be better...<br>So I have that, checked<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>-Symbian is years ahead of Apple or Google's OS.  Multiple apps open at the same time, global cut + paste.</p><p>I assume later model phones will do all of this too.  It's just that Nokia appears to have a very hard time in the U.S.</p></div><p>Ahem, my android phone has cut and paste multiasking etc...<br>You have not given me any convincing argument why I should move over to symbian<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)<br>Especially since I hate Nokia and what they did in Bochum and now Romania...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , you do n't know what you guys are missing with Nokia/Symbian phones.-Media players play DRM free files.My android phone plays it checked-Easy 802.11 access/useMy Android phone does that , checked-Decent 'office ' application .
Opens my text files , that 's all I care about.My android phone does that , checked-SMTP support .
I know they HAD crackberry support on my old communicator .
I assume it 's still available.Android phone does it , checked-Apps for a sysadmin.I have a bash and root access , is that enough ? -Solid mobile java supportI have that... checked-GPS , directions , and all that .
However , you need windows as an intermediary between the phone and nokia 's maps.I am using an offline navigation software , however the integrated GPS could be better...So I have that , checked ; - ) -Symbian is years ahead of Apple or Google 's OS .
Multiple apps open at the same time , global cut + paste.I assume later model phones will do all of this too .
It 's just that Nokia appears to have a very hard time in the U.S.Ahem , my android phone has cut and paste multiasking etc...You have not given me any convincing argument why I should move over to symbian ; - ) Especially since I hate Nokia and what they did in Bochum and now Romania.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, you don't know what you guys are missing with Nokia/Symbian phones.-Media players play DRM free files.My android phone plays it checked-Easy 802.11 access/useMy Android phone does that, checked-Decent 'office' application.
Opens my text files, that's all I care about.My android phone does that, checked-SMTP support.
I know they HAD crackberry support on my old communicator.
I assume it's still available.Android phone does it, checked-Apps for a sysadmin.I have a bash and root access, is that enough?-Solid mobile java supportI have that... checked-GPS, directions, and all that.
However, you need windows as an intermediary between the phone and nokia's maps.I am using an offline navigation software, however the integrated GPS could be better...So I have that, checked ;-)-Symbian is years ahead of Apple or Google's OS.
Multiple apps open at the same time, global cut + paste.I assume later model phones will do all of this too.
It's just that Nokia appears to have a very hard time in the U.S.Ahem, my android phone has cut and paste multiasking etc...You have not given me any convincing argument why I should move over to symbian ;-)Especially since I hate Nokia and what they did in Bochum and now Romania...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854728</id>
	<title>Re:Standalone GPS</title>
	<author>ickleberry</author>
	<datestamp>1264081260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>True. iPhones and the like have nothing on my Foretrex 401, or even the ordinary yellow eTrex. The interface on these devices is even much better than that on smartphone GPS applications - some are so oversimplified you can't even see the coordinates. <br> <br>

The foretrex is wrist mounted so its actually more convenient than an all in one device, unless you feel like strapping an iphone to your wrist.</htmltext>
<tokenext>True .
iPhones and the like have nothing on my Foretrex 401 , or even the ordinary yellow eTrex .
The interface on these devices is even much better than that on smartphone GPS applications - some are so oversimplified you ca n't even see the coordinates .
The foretrex is wrist mounted so its actually more convenient than an all in one device , unless you feel like strapping an iphone to your wrist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True.
iPhones and the like have nothing on my Foretrex 401, or even the ordinary yellow eTrex.
The interface on these devices is even much better than that on smartphone GPS applications - some are so oversimplified you can't even see the coordinates.
The foretrex is wrist mounted so its actually more convenient than an all in one device, unless you feel like strapping an iphone to your wrist.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30857906</id>
	<title>Re:What about live traffic updates</title>
	<author>Stevecrox</author>
	<datestamp>1264161420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know Nokia Maps 3.0 on the Nokia 5800 charges &pound;1.29 a month for Traffic Updates, but then I'm currently paying &pound;5.49 a month for Car/Pedestrian navigation as well. If this means I don't have to pay &pound;5.49, I'll be over the moon.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know Nokia Maps 3.0 on the Nokia 5800 charges   1.29 a month for Traffic Updates , but then I 'm currently paying   5.49 a month for Car/Pedestrian navigation as well .
If this means I do n't have to pay   5.49 , I 'll be over the moon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know Nokia Maps 3.0 on the Nokia 5800 charges £1.29 a month for Traffic Updates, but then I'm currently paying £5.49 a month for Car/Pedestrian navigation as well.
If this means I don't have to pay £5.49, I'll be over the moon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854340</id>
	<title>Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>viking80</author>
	<datestamp>1264079100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When iPhone came out with free navigation, even if Garmin is a lot better, I concluded that I will never buy a standalone:<br>- GPS navigator<br>- compact camera.<br>- camcorder.<br>- watch<br>- document scanner<br>- portable game console<br>- mp3 player, video player<br>- a bunch of other things from last century like voice recorder, calculator, radio etc.</p><p>With 8Gb camera, 720p video, GPS navigator, I will be better off upgrading the phone every year than buying all these devices every 3 years. I am sure it will not take more than 2 years for a feature in my phone to beat the standalone device in features/functionality, and best of all, I will have it in my hand when I need it, not in a drawer somewhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When iPhone came out with free navigation , even if Garmin is a lot better , I concluded that I will never buy a standalone : - GPS navigator- compact camera.- camcorder.- watch- document scanner- portable game console- mp3 player , video player- a bunch of other things from last century like voice recorder , calculator , radio etc.With 8Gb camera , 720p video , GPS navigator , I will be better off upgrading the phone every year than buying all these devices every 3 years .
I am sure it will not take more than 2 years for a feature in my phone to beat the standalone device in features/functionality , and best of all , I will have it in my hand when I need it , not in a drawer somewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When iPhone came out with free navigation, even if Garmin is a lot better, I concluded that I will never buy a standalone:- GPS navigator- compact camera.- camcorder.- watch- document scanner- portable game console- mp3 player, video player- a bunch of other things from last century like voice recorder, calculator, radio etc.With 8Gb camera, 720p video, GPS navigator, I will be better off upgrading the phone every year than buying all these devices every 3 years.
I am sure it will not take more than 2 years for a feature in my phone to beat the standalone device in features/functionality, and best of all, I will have it in my hand when I need it, not in a drawer somewhere.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854378</id>
	<title>Re:Offline GPS?</title>
	<author>somewhere in AU</author>
	<datestamp>1264079340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google technology is image tile based and generated on demand - so out of luck having such a thing stored on any phone any decade soon now.</p><p>With vector you might stand a chance but still huge but least current capacities exist for it but download would be PC sync only as data costs otherwise nightmare.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google technology is image tile based and generated on demand - so out of luck having such a thing stored on any phone any decade soon now.With vector you might stand a chance but still huge but least current capacities exist for it but download would be PC sync only as data costs otherwise nightmare .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google technology is image tile based and generated on demand - so out of luck having such a thing stored on any phone any decade soon now.With vector you might stand a chance but still huge but least current capacities exist for it but download would be PC sync only as data costs otherwise nightmare.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855844</id>
	<title>Re:What, no E75 love?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264090200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Available for E72, but not E71.  Grrr.... Nokia!</p></div><p>Yay! I just bought an E72 two weeks ago. I'm download Ovi Maps right now!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Available for E72 , but not E71 .
Grrr.... Nokia ! Yay !
I just bought an E72 two weeks ago .
I 'm download Ovi Maps right now !
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Available for E72, but not E71.
Grrr.... Nokia!Yay!
I just bought an E72 two weeks ago.
I'm download Ovi Maps right now!
:-)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854872</id>
	<title>Re:Offline GPS?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264082100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have the nokia "Ovi Maps 3.0" on my e63 and i installed the complete maps for Aisa Europe and Africa it all came to about 3GB.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have the nokia " Ovi Maps 3.0 " on my e63 and i installed the complete maps for Aisa Europe and Africa it all came to about 3GB .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have the nokia "Ovi Maps 3.0" on my e63 and i installed the complete maps for Aisa Europe and Africa it all came to about 3GB.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854318</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855000</id>
	<title>hey Big Bro</title>
	<author>goga\_russian</author>
	<datestamp>1264083120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>should read &gt; Nokia will make easier to keep tabs on you.

Long live NSA!
#1 - I love NSA !
#2 - I love NSA even more !</htmltext>
<tokenext>should read &gt; Nokia will make easier to keep tabs on you .
Long live NSA !
# 1 - I love NSA !
# 2 - I love NSA even more !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>should read &gt; Nokia will make easier to keep tabs on you.
Long live NSA!
#1 - I love NSA !
#2 - I love NSA even more !</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854964</id>
	<title>The market will survive</title>
	<author>mliu</author>
	<datestamp>1264082820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Without a doubt the market for standalone GPS units will survive, but the question is in what form.  It would be a huge loss for Garmin et al if they're reduced to making rugged specialty GPS devices while smartphones take over the lucrative in-car navigation that represents 99\% of consumer usage.</p><p>The advantages of a GFS device with a data connection are numerous.  Live traffic, live updates, live information (such as gas prices).  Those are all download-oriented, but many of the promising usages are bidirectional communication-oriented.  Live display of other cars on the road, live traffic tracking through precise vehicle placement.  Plus all sorts of other Big Brotherish stuff that is less pleasant.</p><p>These advantages are compelling enough that we've already seen movements towards getting a cellular radio in standalone GPS units.  However, those haven't seen much traction because who wants to pay another monthly fee for their GPS.  Once the smartphone based GPS applications become mature, the standalone manufacturers are in a world of trouble.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Without a doubt the market for standalone GPS units will survive , but the question is in what form .
It would be a huge loss for Garmin et al if they 're reduced to making rugged specialty GPS devices while smartphones take over the lucrative in-car navigation that represents 99 \ % of consumer usage.The advantages of a GFS device with a data connection are numerous .
Live traffic , live updates , live information ( such as gas prices ) .
Those are all download-oriented , but many of the promising usages are bidirectional communication-oriented .
Live display of other cars on the road , live traffic tracking through precise vehicle placement .
Plus all sorts of other Big Brotherish stuff that is less pleasant.These advantages are compelling enough that we 've already seen movements towards getting a cellular radio in standalone GPS units .
However , those have n't seen much traction because who wants to pay another monthly fee for their GPS .
Once the smartphone based GPS applications become mature , the standalone manufacturers are in a world of trouble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without a doubt the market for standalone GPS units will survive, but the question is in what form.
It would be a huge loss for Garmin et al if they're reduced to making rugged specialty GPS devices while smartphones take over the lucrative in-car navigation that represents 99\% of consumer usage.The advantages of a GFS device with a data connection are numerous.
Live traffic, live updates, live information (such as gas prices).
Those are all download-oriented, but many of the promising usages are bidirectional communication-oriented.
Live display of other cars on the road, live traffic tracking through precise vehicle placement.
Plus all sorts of other Big Brotherish stuff that is less pleasant.These advantages are compelling enough that we've already seen movements towards getting a cellular radio in standalone GPS units.
However, those haven't seen much traction because who wants to pay another monthly fee for their GPS.
Once the smartphone based GPS applications become mature, the standalone manufacturers are in a world of trouble.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854476</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30857808</id>
	<title>Re:Offline GPS?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264160220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>All of North America is 1.2 Gb, just the US is 886 Mb and the world is a little under 4 gigs.  So a $20 micro SD card should cover whatever you need with room to spare.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All of North America is 1.2 Gb , just the US is 886 Mb and the world is a little under 4 gigs .
So a $ 20 micro SD card should cover whatever you need with room to spare .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All of North America is 1.2 Gb, just the US is 886 Mb and the world is a little under 4 gigs.
So a $20 micro SD card should cover whatever you need with room to spare.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854318</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854318</id>
	<title>Offline GPS?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264079040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How much memory is required to store the entire database for GPS navigation? Do most smart phones even have that much memory? Sure, Google maps is annoying when you drive out of range of a data service cell tower and it suddenly tells you "I have absolutely no fucking idea where you are now!" but I assumed there was enough data there that it actually \_needed\_ to be connected. I'd be more than happy to just have it update the data when connected and still work when not connected.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How much memory is required to store the entire database for GPS navigation ?
Do most smart phones even have that much memory ?
Sure , Google maps is annoying when you drive out of range of a data service cell tower and it suddenly tells you " I have absolutely no fucking idea where you are now !
" but I assumed there was enough data there that it actually \ _needed \ _ to be connected .
I 'd be more than happy to just have it update the data when connected and still work when not connected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much memory is required to store the entire database for GPS navigation?
Do most smart phones even have that much memory?
Sure, Google maps is annoying when you drive out of range of a data service cell tower and it suddenly tells you "I have absolutely no fucking idea where you are now!
" but I assumed there was enough data there that it actually \_needed\_ to be connected.
I'd be more than happy to just have it update the data when connected and still work when not connected.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854790</id>
	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264081620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When my blackberry came out with all of the above, I thought the same thing.  When the iPhone came out with it several years after the fact, I didn't really take notice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When my blackberry came out with all of the above , I thought the same thing .
When the iPhone came out with it several years after the fact , I did n't really take notice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When my blackberry came out with all of the above, I thought the same thing.
When the iPhone came out with it several years after the fact, I didn't really take notice.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854340</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855020</id>
	<title>Re:Offline GPS?</title>
	<author>ducomputergeek</author>
	<datestamp>1264083360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have a PostGIS database and just using the data available from the USGS and various state mapping agencies, our database is around 300 MB for roads, town, and zip code boundaries for the United States.  Granted I'm sure that will be increasing as more data is added.  It is an on going process.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have a PostGIS database and just using the data available from the USGS and various state mapping agencies , our database is around 300 MB for roads , town , and zip code boundaries for the United States .
Granted I 'm sure that will be increasing as more data is added .
It is an on going process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have a PostGIS database and just using the data available from the USGS and various state mapping agencies, our database is around 300 MB for roads, town, and zip code boundaries for the United States.
Granted I'm sure that will be increasing as more data is added.
It is an on going process.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854408</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30862630</id>
	<title>Re:Undercutting the market?</title>
	<author>GPLHost-Thomas</author>
	<datestamp>1264192980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>FYI, the enormous price for maps update is NOT because of companies building the GPS navigation devices, but due to the enormous price of the navigable data themself. For example, a yearly subscription to Navteq is close to 10 million euros...</htmltext>
<tokenext>FYI , the enormous price for maps update is NOT because of companies building the GPS navigation devices , but due to the enormous price of the navigable data themself .
For example , a yearly subscription to Navteq is close to 10 million euros.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FYI, the enormous price for maps update is NOT because of companies building the GPS navigation devices, but due to the enormous price of the navigable data themself.
For example, a yearly subscription to Navteq is close to 10 million euros...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854810</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854284</id>
	<title>No love for the N900?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264078800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It seems as though the application is available for the N900.

See: <a href="http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/maps-support/compatibility-and-download#/nokia-n900/" title="nokia.com" rel="nofollow">http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/maps-support/compatibility-and-download#/nokia-n900/</a> [nokia.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems as though the application is available for the N900 .
See : http : //europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/maps-support/compatibility-and-download # /nokia-n900/ [ nokia.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems as though the application is available for the N900.
See: http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/maps-support/compatibility-and-download#/nokia-n900/ [nokia.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30857520</id>
	<title>Re:Offline GPS?</title>
	<author>cbope</author>
	<datestamp>1264155300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>2 mid-size European cities plus 4 medium-large US cities downloaded to Nokia's Ovi Maps is well under a gig on a microSD card. If you wanted all of NA it's probably a few gigs, but still manageable. Not an issue as far as I'm concerned.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>2 mid-size European cities plus 4 medium-large US cities downloaded to Nokia 's Ovi Maps is well under a gig on a microSD card .
If you wanted all of NA it 's probably a few gigs , but still manageable .
Not an issue as far as I 'm concerned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2 mid-size European cities plus 4 medium-large US cities downloaded to Nokia's Ovi Maps is well under a gig on a microSD card.
If you wanted all of NA it's probably a few gigs, but still manageable.
Not an issue as far as I'm concerned.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854318</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855124</id>
	<title>Re:Navigation on Nokia phones works very well</title>
	<author>afidel</author>
	<datestamp>1264084200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's a package from NIM (not to be confused with RIM!) called Gokiva Navigator that does voice turn by turn directions including lane guidance, route caching and route recalculation. Unfortunately it's a monthly fee instead of a one time purchase so I decided to just stick with Google Maps Mobile which was good enough for my recent 3200 mile cross country trip.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a package from NIM ( not to be confused with RIM !
) called Gokiva Navigator that does voice turn by turn directions including lane guidance , route caching and route recalculation .
Unfortunately it 's a monthly fee instead of a one time purchase so I decided to just stick with Google Maps Mobile which was good enough for my recent 3200 mile cross country trip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a package from NIM (not to be confused with RIM!
) called Gokiva Navigator that does voice turn by turn directions including lane guidance, route caching and route recalculation.
Unfortunately it's a monthly fee instead of a one time purchase so I decided to just stick with Google Maps Mobile which was good enough for my recent 3200 mile cross country trip.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854900</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855522</id>
	<title>My e71 already does this</title>
	<author>mpapet</author>
	<datestamp>1264087620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, you don't know what you guys are missing with Nokia/Symbian phones.</p><p>-Media players play DRM free files.<br>-Easy 802.11 access/use<br>-Decent 'office' application.  Opens my text files, that's all I care about.<br>-SMTP support.  I know they HAD crackberry support on my old communicator.  I assume it's still available.<br>-Apps for a sysadmin.<br>-Solid mobile java support<br>-GPS, directions, and all that.  However, you need windows as an intermediary between the phone and nokia's maps.<br>-Symbian is years ahead of Apple or Google's OS.  Multiple apps open at the same time, global cut + paste.</p><p>I assume later model phones will do all of this too.  It's just that Nokia appears to have a very hard time in the U.S.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , you do n't know what you guys are missing with Nokia/Symbian phones.-Media players play DRM free files.-Easy 802.11 access/use-Decent 'office ' application .
Opens my text files , that 's all I care about.-SMTP support .
I know they HAD crackberry support on my old communicator .
I assume it 's still available.-Apps for a sysadmin.-Solid mobile java support-GPS , directions , and all that .
However , you need windows as an intermediary between the phone and nokia 's maps.-Symbian is years ahead of Apple or Google 's OS .
Multiple apps open at the same time , global cut + paste.I assume later model phones will do all of this too .
It 's just that Nokia appears to have a very hard time in the U.S .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, you don't know what you guys are missing with Nokia/Symbian phones.-Media players play DRM free files.-Easy 802.11 access/use-Decent 'office' application.
Opens my text files, that's all I care about.-SMTP support.
I know they HAD crackberry support on my old communicator.
I assume it's still available.-Apps for a sysadmin.-Solid mobile java support-GPS, directions, and all that.
However, you need windows as an intermediary between the phone and nokia's maps.-Symbian is years ahead of Apple or Google's OS.
Multiple apps open at the same time, global cut + paste.I assume later model phones will do all of this too.
It's just that Nokia appears to have a very hard time in the U.S.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854226</id>
	<title>Apple, Not Nokia Is The Leader</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264078500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Nokia, the global leader in smartphone market share"</p><p>Now you've done it. You've directely insulted and threated the self worth of every single iPhone owning hipster douchebag reading Slashdot...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Nokia , the global leader in smartphone market share " Now you 've done it .
You 've directely insulted and threated the self worth of every single iPhone owning hipster douchebag reading Slashdot.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Nokia, the global leader in smartphone market share"Now you've done it.
You've directely insulted and threated the self worth of every single iPhone owning hipster douchebag reading Slashdot...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855648</id>
	<title>Until the next update?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264088580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nokia lost my trust when they released an ""update" for the N95 oh so long ago that got rid of the free turn-by-turn navigation it originally came with in order to try to make users pay. I bought the phone for that feature then they got rid of it. Of course, I then just used a cracked version of the app to get it back, but anyway, we'll see how long this free version lasts for. Nokia don't seem to care about users that much, look at the N97, worst flagship phone I've ever seen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nokia lost my trust when they released an " " update " for the N95 oh so long ago that got rid of the free turn-by-turn navigation it originally came with in order to try to make users pay .
I bought the phone for that feature then they got rid of it .
Of course , I then just used a cracked version of the app to get it back , but anyway , we 'll see how long this free version lasts for .
Nokia do n't seem to care about users that much , look at the N97 , worst flagship phone I 've ever seen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nokia lost my trust when they released an ""update" for the N95 oh so long ago that got rid of the free turn-by-turn navigation it originally came with in order to try to make users pay.
I bought the phone for that feature then they got rid of it.
Of course, I then just used a cracked version of the app to get it back, but anyway, we'll see how long this free version lasts for.
Nokia don't seem to care about users that much, look at the N97, worst flagship phone I've ever seen.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854514</id>
	<title>Standalone Systems will just be enhanced</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264080120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Drivers in Japan and Korea already use much higher spec standalone GPS's (10+ inch screens, built in TV etc) that phones cannot match. This is worryingly evident driving through Seoul in rush hour, where most of the drivers are watching the latest soap on their GPS screens.
You can't even buy US size GPS's because phones match their capabilities.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Drivers in Japan and Korea already use much higher spec standalone GPS 's ( 10 + inch screens , built in TV etc ) that phones can not match .
This is worryingly evident driving through Seoul in rush hour , where most of the drivers are watching the latest soap on their GPS screens .
You ca n't even buy US size GPS 's because phones match their capabilities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Drivers in Japan and Korea already use much higher spec standalone GPS's (10+ inch screens, built in TV etc) that phones cannot match.
This is worryingly evident driving through Seoul in rush hour, where most of the drivers are watching the latest soap on their GPS screens.
You can't even buy US size GPS's because phones match their capabilities.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855928</id>
	<title>Re:What, no E75 love? Huh?</title>
	<author>cavehobbit</author>
	<datestamp>1264090800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Replying to myself, while I can update to v3.0 from the v2.0 the E75 came with, I do not think it is the free nav version. The OVI store is not well laid out.

However the new map data required is claiming a 127 minute download over wireless. Hope work doesn't call with a crashed DB.

Sigh. US gets screwed in phones and cars due to stupid regulations.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Replying to myself , while I can update to v3.0 from the v2.0 the E75 came with , I do not think it is the free nav version .
The OVI store is not well laid out .
However the new map data required is claiming a 127 minute download over wireless .
Hope work does n't call with a crashed DB .
Sigh. US gets screwed in phones and cars due to stupid regulations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Replying to myself, while I can update to v3.0 from the v2.0 the E75 came with, I do not think it is the free nav version.
The OVI store is not well laid out.
However the new map data required is claiming a 127 minute download over wireless.
Hope work doesn't call with a crashed DB.
Sigh. US gets screwed in phones and cars due to stupid regulations.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855560</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854912</id>
	<title>GPS...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264082460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>For me, a phone is impractical for navigating. A phone is a LONG way off from helping me as far as my GPS needs go (I drive A LOT) and using it to navigate and talk at the same time is just cumbersome.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For me , a phone is impractical for navigating .
A phone is a LONG way off from helping me as far as my GPS needs go ( I drive A LOT ) and using it to navigate and talk at the same time is just cumbersome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For me, a phone is impractical for navigating.
A phone is a LONG way off from helping me as far as my GPS needs go (I drive A LOT) and using it to navigate and talk at the same time is just cumbersome.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854470</id>
	<title>Re:What about live traffic updates</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264079880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Interesting capability; I wasn't very impressed with the TomTom when trying it in stores, myself. I asked it to find a route from San Jose to New York City and it sat there with a progress bar that looked like it would take half an hour to complete. The Garmin unit next door had something in two or three seconds, tops.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting capability ; I was n't very impressed with the TomTom when trying it in stores , myself .
I asked it to find a route from San Jose to New York City and it sat there with a progress bar that looked like it would take half an hour to complete .
The Garmin unit next door had something in two or three seconds , tops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting capability; I wasn't very impressed with the TomTom when trying it in stores, myself.
I asked it to find a route from San Jose to New York City and it sat there with a progress bar that looked like it would take half an hour to complete.
The Garmin unit next door had something in two or three seconds, tops.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855402</id>
	<title>Premature Prediction</title>
	<author>Dun Malg</author>
	<datestamp>1264086540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Predictions of the death of the stand-alone automotive GPS market are premature. Screens on cell phones are not really large enough for anything but simple rudimentary navigation, and because cell phones will always remain small, this will never change.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Predictions of the death of the stand-alone automotive GPS market are premature .
Screens on cell phones are not really large enough for anything but simple rudimentary navigation , and because cell phones will always remain small , this will never change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Predictions of the death of the stand-alone automotive GPS market are premature.
Screens on cell phones are not really large enough for anything but simple rudimentary navigation, and because cell phones will always remain small, this will never change.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30861068</id>
	<title>Re:Provider dependent?</title>
	<author>LiquidFire\_HK</author>
	<datestamp>1264183800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And if you turn off the phone and use GPS, I assume there won't be any roaming charges since your phone is talking to the GPS satellite?</p></div><p>That's correct. Though it's not "talking" to the satellite - GPS is one-directional. It only receives signals from the GPS satellites and processes them.</p><p>As for the provider locking it - I doubt it. It's theoretically possible, I guess (the same way they could theoretically disable e.g. your camera unless you pay them a monthly fee, assuming the phone is running custom firmware supplied by the provider), but I really don't see why they would. The feature doesn't depend on anything network-specific, and you can use it entirely offline. (Disclaimer, however: I live in Europe and have only used unlocked phones, so I can't really speak for the situation in North America)</p></div>
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<tokenext>And if you turn off the phone and use GPS , I assume there wo n't be any roaming charges since your phone is talking to the GPS satellite ? That 's correct .
Though it 's not " talking " to the satellite - GPS is one-directional .
It only receives signals from the GPS satellites and processes them.As for the provider locking it - I doubt it .
It 's theoretically possible , I guess ( the same way they could theoretically disable e.g .
your camera unless you pay them a monthly fee , assuming the phone is running custom firmware supplied by the provider ) , but I really do n't see why they would .
The feature does n't depend on anything network-specific , and you can use it entirely offline .
( Disclaimer , however : I live in Europe and have only used unlocked phones , so I ca n't really speak for the situation in North America )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And if you turn off the phone and use GPS, I assume there won't be any roaming charges since your phone is talking to the GPS satellite?That's correct.
Though it's not "talking" to the satellite - GPS is one-directional.
It only receives signals from the GPS satellites and processes them.As for the provider locking it - I doubt it.
It's theoretically possible, I guess (the same way they could theoretically disable e.g.
your camera unless you pay them a monthly fee, assuming the phone is running custom firmware supplied by the provider), but I really don't see why they would.
The feature doesn't depend on anything network-specific, and you can use it entirely offline.
(Disclaimer, however: I live in Europe and have only used unlocked phones, so I can't really speak for the situation in North America)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855472</id>
	<title>Re:What about live traffic updates</title>
	<author>johnlcallaway</author>
	<datestamp>1264087140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. I also want a dedicated GPS for my car/motorcycle.  We just purchased a Nuvi for the car<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. the screen is much larger than a phone and easier to see.  At a glance, it is simple to see the upcoming streets, speed limits, distance to next turn, what the next turn will be, estimated time to the turn, and estimated time to destination.   My wife used to use her Blackberry for GPS, but loves using the Nuvi, it's a lot easier to use and less distracting.
<br> <br>
I use a Garmin 60CSx on my motorcycle. It screen isn't any larger than a cell phone, but it has easy to use, dedicated buttons that I can use even with gloves on. It isn't a touch-screen, but I've heard the GPS units designed for motorcycle use don't stand up to the vibrations. I figured one designed for hiking would be better.  Plus, it's cheaper so I won't feel so bad in 3-4 years when it starts to die like my Garmin legend did.
<br> <br>
The thing is, we really don't need a GPS most of the time.  I can find my way around Phoenix and most of Arizona without a map. But it's nice to be reminded a turn is coming up, especially on the motorcycle if I'm on a ride with several other bikes and we need to change lanes. And it's nice if you do miss a turn, or the road is under construction, having the GPS reroute you. I've discovered that what I thought was the quickest route<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. wasn't.
<br> <br>
I suppose if I was on a limited budget, or felt that I had better things to spend money on, then I could deal with having just a phone like I have<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... well<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. most of my life. But for me, a dedicated GPS provides more functionality and ease of use than a telephone when it comes to driving around. On the flip side, it's nice having it on your phone 'just in case'.  So I have both....
<br> <br>
And the dirty little secret Nokia and the other phones won't tell you<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... leave the data network<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. and your phone GPS doesn't have as much functionality.  It can tell you where you are, but without the ability to download maps, it's not much use. My wife and I took my Centro with Google Maps and her Blackberry on a photo excursion to Globe, AZ.  Even though we had phone coverage, we couldn't use either her GPS or Google maps because we had no data access. So until they are willing to either download ahead of time or store the entire US road map on the phone, I want my dedicated GPS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .. I also want a dedicated GPS for my car/motorcycle .
We just purchased a Nuvi for the car .. the screen is much larger than a phone and easier to see .
At a glance , it is simple to see the upcoming streets , speed limits , distance to next turn , what the next turn will be , estimated time to the turn , and estimated time to destination .
My wife used to use her Blackberry for GPS , but loves using the Nuvi , it 's a lot easier to use and less distracting .
I use a Garmin 60CSx on my motorcycle .
It screen is n't any larger than a cell phone , but it has easy to use , dedicated buttons that I can use even with gloves on .
It is n't a touch-screen , but I 've heard the GPS units designed for motorcycle use do n't stand up to the vibrations .
I figured one designed for hiking would be better .
Plus , it 's cheaper so I wo n't feel so bad in 3-4 years when it starts to die like my Garmin legend did .
The thing is , we really do n't need a GPS most of the time .
I can find my way around Phoenix and most of Arizona without a map .
But it 's nice to be reminded a turn is coming up , especially on the motorcycle if I 'm on a ride with several other bikes and we need to change lanes .
And it 's nice if you do miss a turn , or the road is under construction , having the GPS reroute you .
I 've discovered that what I thought was the quickest route .. was n't . I suppose if I was on a limited budget , or felt that I had better things to spend money on , then I could deal with having just a phone like I have ... well .. most of my life .
But for me , a dedicated GPS provides more functionality and ease of use than a telephone when it comes to driving around .
On the flip side , it 's nice having it on your phone 'just in case' .
So I have both... . And the dirty little secret Nokia and the other phones wo n't tell you ... leave the data network .. and your phone GPS does n't have as much functionality .
It can tell you where you are , but without the ability to download maps , it 's not much use .
My wife and I took my Centro with Google Maps and her Blackberry on a photo excursion to Globe , AZ .
Even though we had phone coverage , we could n't use either her GPS or Google maps because we had no data access .
So until they are willing to either download ahead of time or store the entire US road map on the phone , I want my dedicated GPS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree .. I also want a dedicated GPS for my car/motorcycle.
We just purchased a Nuvi for the car .. the screen is much larger than a phone and easier to see.
At a glance, it is simple to see the upcoming streets, speed limits, distance to next turn, what the next turn will be, estimated time to the turn, and estimated time to destination.
My wife used to use her Blackberry for GPS, but loves using the Nuvi, it's a lot easier to use and less distracting.
I use a Garmin 60CSx on my motorcycle.
It screen isn't any larger than a cell phone, but it has easy to use, dedicated buttons that I can use even with gloves on.
It isn't a touch-screen, but I've heard the GPS units designed for motorcycle use don't stand up to the vibrations.
I figured one designed for hiking would be better.
Plus, it's cheaper so I won't feel so bad in 3-4 years when it starts to die like my Garmin legend did.
The thing is, we really don't need a GPS most of the time.
I can find my way around Phoenix and most of Arizona without a map.
But it's nice to be reminded a turn is coming up, especially on the motorcycle if I'm on a ride with several other bikes and we need to change lanes.
And it's nice if you do miss a turn, or the road is under construction, having the GPS reroute you.
I've discovered that what I thought was the quickest route .. wasn't.
 
I suppose if I was on a limited budget, or felt that I had better things to spend money on, then I could deal with having just a phone like I have ... well .. most of my life.
But for me, a dedicated GPS provides more functionality and ease of use than a telephone when it comes to driving around.
On the flip side, it's nice having it on your phone 'just in case'.
So I have both....
 
And the dirty little secret Nokia and the other phones won't tell you ... leave the data network .. and your phone GPS doesn't have as much functionality.
It can tell you where you are, but without the ability to download maps, it's not much use.
My wife and I took my Centro with Google Maps and her Blackberry on a photo excursion to Globe, AZ.
Even though we had phone coverage, we couldn't use either her GPS or Google maps because we had no data access.
So until they are willing to either download ahead of time or store the entire US road map on the phone, I want my dedicated GPS.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854548</id>
	<title>motorola droid v garmin</title>
	<author>MarkvW</author>
	<datestamp>1264080360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Droid gps sucks smegma compared to my garmin etrex hac.</p><p>Droid couldn't keep a signal in a relatively flat urban area with moderate overhead vegetation.  Disappointing<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Droid gps sucks smegma compared to my garmin etrex hac.Droid could n't keep a signal in a relatively flat urban area with moderate overhead vegetation .
Disappointing .... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Droid gps sucks smegma compared to my garmin etrex hac.Droid couldn't keep a signal in a relatively flat urban area with moderate overhead vegetation.
Disappointing .....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854922</id>
	<title>Re:Offline GPS?</title>
	<author>ottothecow</author>
	<datestamp>1264082580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To give you a real answer (since noone else has done anything besides speculate about their dedicated GPS units)<p>

My nokia maps installation gave me the choice of what maps I wanted available offline (it could download others) I could choose it by country and in the US I could choose state (and maybe even city).  I added the entire US (or maybe north america).  the cities folder on my microsd card is currently sitting at 1.4GB although it told me 1.2 would be used.  I think the world was about 8gb.</p><p>

I don't have the version with free nav yet (and it was kind of a hack to get it on my AT&amp;T phone at all) but it is nav capable...I just have not paid for it.  I think currently it connects to a server to figure out nav stuff...but that may just be to speed processing as I can't imagine navigation needs more than the already pretty detailed data I have.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To give you a real answer ( since noone else has done anything besides speculate about their dedicated GPS units ) My nokia maps installation gave me the choice of what maps I wanted available offline ( it could download others ) I could choose it by country and in the US I could choose state ( and maybe even city ) .
I added the entire US ( or maybe north america ) .
the cities folder on my microsd card is currently sitting at 1.4GB although it told me 1.2 would be used .
I think the world was about 8gb .
I do n't have the version with free nav yet ( and it was kind of a hack to get it on my AT&amp;T phone at all ) but it is nav capable...I just have not paid for it .
I think currently it connects to a server to figure out nav stuff...but that may just be to speed processing as I ca n't imagine navigation needs more than the already pretty detailed data I have .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To give you a real answer (since noone else has done anything besides speculate about their dedicated GPS units)

My nokia maps installation gave me the choice of what maps I wanted available offline (it could download others) I could choose it by country and in the US I could choose state (and maybe even city).
I added the entire US (or maybe north america).
the cities folder on my microsd card is currently sitting at 1.4GB although it told me 1.2 would be used.
I think the world was about 8gb.
I don't have the version with free nav yet (and it was kind of a hack to get it on my AT&amp;T phone at all) but it is nav capable...I just have not paid for it.
I think currently it connects to a server to figure out nav stuff...but that may just be to speed processing as I can't imagine navigation needs more than the already pretty detailed data I have.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854600</id>
	<title>Re:Offline is less important than real-time update</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1264080720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There are very few times when off-line maps are useful in a car.</p></div><p>Do they put crack in the water where you live, or do you have to go down and buy it off the street?</p></div>
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<tokenext>There are very few times when off-line maps are useful in a car.Do they put crack in the water where you live , or do you have to go down and buy it off the street ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are very few times when off-line maps are useful in a car.Do they put crack in the water where you live, or do you have to go down and buy it off the street?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30856288</id>
	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1264094700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Your GPS doesn't get traffic data.</p></div><p>Wrong. Nokia ones do. Costs extra, but well, it&rsquo;s work to do, so it&rsquo;s OK to ask money for it.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Your camera has a horribly small lens and is good only for taking 4x6 photos.</p></div><p>Yes, although the N9x models do have a pretty good high-quality lens and a bigger sensor. But of course there is always a line.<br>If you just want to do snapshots, the N9x models are really all you need. They even have xenon flash sometimes.<br>If you want to do professional photos, it&rsquo;s obvious that you won&rsquo;t do that with a phone.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Your watch can't be kept with you while doing anything active.</p></div><p>How so? I used my phone while running, riding my bike (dirty downhill trough mud), playing diverse ball games in the park, etc.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Your document scanner is horrible quality.</p></div><p>This one is true. But I have no idea why the GP poster threw it in. It&rsquo;s in no way a official function that I have seen. (Except maybe the barcode scanning.)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Your portable game console is limited by having touchscreen only and no physical controls.</p></div><p>Not with devices like the N900. It has a 37-key keyboard, and a pretty powerful CPU. Certainly more powerful and with more acceleration and memory than a Gameboy DS.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Using your mp3 player/video player (and any of the above) will deplete your phone battery so you can't receive calls.</p></div><p>I use my phone as a music player every day. Sure it takes a bit of power. But it&rsquo;s far from a power drain. I never had trouble with it during the day. (I usually recharge it in the evening or when going to bed.)<br>So unless you are several days without the ability to recharge, there is no problem here.<br>I also think that a well designed phone should not take more energy than a standalone mp3 player to play music. There is no reason it should take more.<br>Of course we all hope to get better batteries.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>etc.</p></div><p>Etc what?</p><p>Sorry, but you apparently never touched a full smartphone. But I hope you will. And I also hope that you don&rsquo;t see the world in black and white. As it&rsquo;s never really 100\% clear. Even an imaginary Adolph Kim-Jong Stalin would have his good sides.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
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<tokenext>Your GPS does n't get traffic data.Wrong .
Nokia ones do .
Costs extra , but well , it    s work to do , so it    s OK to ask money for it.Your camera has a horribly small lens and is good only for taking 4x6 photos.Yes , although the N9x models do have a pretty good high-quality lens and a bigger sensor .
But of course there is always a line.If you just want to do snapshots , the N9x models are really all you need .
They even have xenon flash sometimes.If you want to do professional photos , it    s obvious that you won    t do that with a phone.Your watch ca n't be kept with you while doing anything active.How so ?
I used my phone while running , riding my bike ( dirty downhill trough mud ) , playing diverse ball games in the park , etc.Your document scanner is horrible quality.This one is true .
But I have no idea why the GP poster threw it in .
It    s in no way a official function that I have seen .
( Except maybe the barcode scanning .
) Your portable game console is limited by having touchscreen only and no physical controls.Not with devices like the N900 .
It has a 37-key keyboard , and a pretty powerful CPU .
Certainly more powerful and with more acceleration and memory than a Gameboy DS.Using your mp3 player/video player ( and any of the above ) will deplete your phone battery so you ca n't receive calls.I use my phone as a music player every day .
Sure it takes a bit of power .
But it    s far from a power drain .
I never had trouble with it during the day .
( I usually recharge it in the evening or when going to bed .
) So unless you are several days without the ability to recharge , there is no problem here.I also think that a well designed phone should not take more energy than a standalone mp3 player to play music .
There is no reason it should take more.Of course we all hope to get better batteries .
: ) etc.Etc what ? Sorry , but you apparently never touched a full smartphone .
But I hope you will .
And I also hope that you don    t see the world in black and white .
As it    s never really 100 \ % clear .
Even an imaginary Adolph Kim-Jong Stalin would have his good sides .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your GPS doesn't get traffic data.Wrong.
Nokia ones do.
Costs extra, but well, it’s work to do, so it’s OK to ask money for it.Your camera has a horribly small lens and is good only for taking 4x6 photos.Yes, although the N9x models do have a pretty good high-quality lens and a bigger sensor.
But of course there is always a line.If you just want to do snapshots, the N9x models are really all you need.
They even have xenon flash sometimes.If you want to do professional photos, it’s obvious that you won’t do that with a phone.Your watch can't be kept with you while doing anything active.How so?
I used my phone while running, riding my bike (dirty downhill trough mud), playing diverse ball games in the park, etc.Your document scanner is horrible quality.This one is true.
But I have no idea why the GP poster threw it in.
It’s in no way a official function that I have seen.
(Except maybe the barcode scanning.
)Your portable game console is limited by having touchscreen only and no physical controls.Not with devices like the N900.
It has a 37-key keyboard, and a pretty powerful CPU.
Certainly more powerful and with more acceleration and memory than a Gameboy DS.Using your mp3 player/video player (and any of the above) will deplete your phone battery so you can't receive calls.I use my phone as a music player every day.
Sure it takes a bit of power.
But it’s far from a power drain.
I never had trouble with it during the day.
(I usually recharge it in the evening or when going to bed.
)So unless you are several days without the ability to recharge, there is no problem here.I also think that a well designed phone should not take more energy than a standalone mp3 player to play music.
There is no reason it should take more.Of course we all hope to get better batteries.
:)etc.Etc what?Sorry, but you apparently never touched a full smartphone.
But I hope you will.
And I also hope that you don’t see the world in black and white.
As it’s never really 100\% clear.
Even an imaginary Adolph Kim-Jong Stalin would have his good sides.
:)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854772</id>
	<title>Maybe it will be good?</title>
	<author>sarhjinian</author>
	<datestamp>1264081500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe now that they're planning to make it free, it won't be so deplorably poor?</p><p>I have an E71 and I'd abandoned Nokia's mapping solutions because a) it seems impossible to search for anything and b) street numbers seem to have no relation to your physical position.</p><p>Nokia makes very good hardware and the operating system seems solid, but the software is incredibly half-baked. It's like the developers give when they've met the bare-minimum specifications and move on. In the case of GPS, I've yet to see another phone lock my position so quickly and use so little battery, just as I've yet to see a phone give me such a crash-proof and battery-friendly mail experience.  But the GPS software is just wretched (even up to Maps 3.0), just as the various mail applications (Mail, MfE, Messaging) can't give the kind of email experience RIM nailed nearly a decade ago.</p><p>It's the kind of behaviour that will see Apple and Google eat them alive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe now that they 're planning to make it free , it wo n't be so deplorably poor ? I have an E71 and I 'd abandoned Nokia 's mapping solutions because a ) it seems impossible to search for anything and b ) street numbers seem to have no relation to your physical position.Nokia makes very good hardware and the operating system seems solid , but the software is incredibly half-baked .
It 's like the developers give when they 've met the bare-minimum specifications and move on .
In the case of GPS , I 've yet to see another phone lock my position so quickly and use so little battery , just as I 've yet to see a phone give me such a crash-proof and battery-friendly mail experience .
But the GPS software is just wretched ( even up to Maps 3.0 ) , just as the various mail applications ( Mail , MfE , Messaging ) ca n't give the kind of email experience RIM nailed nearly a decade ago.It 's the kind of behaviour that will see Apple and Google eat them alive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe now that they're planning to make it free, it won't be so deplorably poor?I have an E71 and I'd abandoned Nokia's mapping solutions because a) it seems impossible to search for anything and b) street numbers seem to have no relation to your physical position.Nokia makes very good hardware and the operating system seems solid, but the software is incredibly half-baked.
It's like the developers give when they've met the bare-minimum specifications and move on.
In the case of GPS, I've yet to see another phone lock my position so quickly and use so little battery, just as I've yet to see a phone give me such a crash-proof and battery-friendly mail experience.
But the GPS software is just wretched (even up to Maps 3.0), just as the various mail applications (Mail, MfE, Messaging) can't give the kind of email experience RIM nailed nearly a decade ago.It's the kind of behaviour that will see Apple and Google eat them alive.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>sgtrock</author>
	<datestamp>1264172520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah?  Does that GPS navigator built into your phone work in the back country?  How about just off major freeways a hundred plus miles away from the nearest major metropolitan area?  How about after 3 days at the bottom of a backpack?  Or how about sailing on the Gulf of Mexico?</p><p>No?  I thought not.</p><p>I'll concede that a phone GPS will work fine for you if you never bother to venture outside the beltways surrounding major U.S. cities.  That's not the only place where GPSes are truly useful, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah ?
Does that GPS navigator built into your phone work in the back country ?
How about just off major freeways a hundred plus miles away from the nearest major metropolitan area ?
How about after 3 days at the bottom of a backpack ?
Or how about sailing on the Gulf of Mexico ? No ?
I thought not.I 'll concede that a phone GPS will work fine for you if you never bother to venture outside the beltways surrounding major U.S. cities. That 's not the only place where GPSes are truly useful , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah?
Does that GPS navigator built into your phone work in the back country?
How about just off major freeways a hundred plus miles away from the nearest major metropolitan area?
How about after 3 days at the bottom of a backpack?
Or how about sailing on the Gulf of Mexico?No?
I thought not.I'll concede that a phone GPS will work fine for you if you never bother to venture outside the beltways surrounding major U.S. cities.  That's not the only place where GPSes are truly useful, though.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30857366</id>
	<title>Re:Offline GPS?</title>
	<author>hh4m</author>
	<datestamp>1264152600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i downloaded th new nokia maps last night on NOK5800XM. the maps for my country are 4MB n voice files were 4MB too. So in total, i needed 8MB for the map n voice data.</htmltext>
<tokenext>i downloaded th new nokia maps last night on NOK5800XM .
the maps for my country are 4MB n voice files were 4MB too .
So in total , i needed 8MB for the map n voice data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i downloaded th new nokia maps last night on NOK5800XM.
the maps for my country are 4MB n voice files were 4MB too.
So in total, i needed 8MB for the map n voice data.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854240</id>
	<title>Not listed phones works too, i.e. Nokia E51</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264078560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just download standalone Nokia Maps Updater and it will update to Maps 3.0 also phones not listed on linked Ovi webpage, like my E51.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just download standalone Nokia Maps Updater and it will update to Maps 3.0 also phones not listed on linked Ovi webpage , like my E51 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just download standalone Nokia Maps Updater and it will update to Maps 3.0 also phones not listed on linked Ovi webpage, like my E51.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854434</id>
	<title>Re:What about live traffic updates</title>
	<author>JoshDD</author>
	<datestamp>1264079640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My BB's GPS does that. And my CD deck has built in bluetooth so my phone calls come in on my sound system. All I have to do press one button on the deck and talk to my steering wheel. Only problem I have is the sound from the GPS app does not come in over the BT, just the BB speaker.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My BB 's GPS does that .
And my CD deck has built in bluetooth so my phone calls come in on my sound system .
All I have to do press one button on the deck and talk to my steering wheel .
Only problem I have is the sound from the GPS app does not come in over the BT , just the BB speaker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My BB's GPS does that.
And my CD deck has built in bluetooth so my phone calls come in on my sound system.
All I have to do press one button on the deck and talk to my steering wheel.
Only problem I have is the sound from the GPS app does not come in over the BT, just the BB speaker.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30856274</id>
	<title>Nokia N900</title>
	<author>chris77ve</author>
	<datestamp>1264094520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is it really that hard to bring Ovi maps to N900's Maemo?


--

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ctam" title="flickr.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ctam</a> [flickr.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it really that hard to bring Ovi maps to N900 's Maemo ?
-- http : //www.flickr.com/photos/ctam [ flickr.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it really that hard to bring Ovi maps to N900's Maemo?
--

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ctam [flickr.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854610</id>
	<title>Re:Outdated</title>
	<author>Third Position</author>
	<datestamp>1264080720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The problem is, will Nokia keep on updating their free directions? Generally, when you have a large company that seems to be losing money and marketshare left and right they will release a lot of paid things for free in order to not have to update them or maintain them as much as a paid product.</p></div><p>I suspect they'll have to. Now that they've released their app for free, other vendors will be forced to do likewise to remain competitive. At that point, the vendors will be forced to compete on quality of service. If Nokia doesn't maintain the quality, somebody else will, negating the advantage of providing it in the first place. I don't think they're dumb enough to let that happen.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is , will Nokia keep on updating their free directions ?
Generally , when you have a large company that seems to be losing money and marketshare left and right they will release a lot of paid things for free in order to not have to update them or maintain them as much as a paid product.I suspect they 'll have to .
Now that they 've released their app for free , other vendors will be forced to do likewise to remain competitive .
At that point , the vendors will be forced to compete on quality of service .
If Nokia does n't maintain the quality , somebody else will , negating the advantage of providing it in the first place .
I do n't think they 're dumb enough to let that happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is, will Nokia keep on updating their free directions?
Generally, when you have a large company that seems to be losing money and marketshare left and right they will release a lot of paid things for free in order to not have to update them or maintain them as much as a paid product.I suspect they'll have to.
Now that they've released their app for free, other vendors will be forced to do likewise to remain competitive.
At that point, the vendors will be forced to compete on quality of service.
If Nokia doesn't maintain the quality, somebody else will, negating the advantage of providing it in the first place.
I don't think they're dumb enough to let that happen.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855652</id>
	<title>Re:Navigation on Nokia phones works very well</title>
	<author>Anachragnome</author>
	<datestamp>1264088580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Dropped calls = dropped GPS directions"</p><p>I am assuming that since they call it "GPS" navigation that it doesn't use cell towers for location information but satellites, so this shouldn't be a problem.</p><p>Even if you cannot call for help, you at least know which direction to go to find it.</p><p>Considering that 911 service requires the use of GPS, and has for YEARS, this is long overdue and should have been on the market years ago.</p><p>I can only assume that some back-room deals/agreements have been the only thing preventing it for so long--and that those agreements have been tossed in the name of profit.</p><p>From a consumer perspective, it's a win-win situation. The next question would be one of battery consumption.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Dropped calls = dropped GPS directions " I am assuming that since they call it " GPS " navigation that it does n't use cell towers for location information but satellites , so this should n't be a problem.Even if you can not call for help , you at least know which direction to go to find it.Considering that 911 service requires the use of GPS , and has for YEARS , this is long overdue and should have been on the market years ago.I can only assume that some back-room deals/agreements have been the only thing preventing it for so long--and that those agreements have been tossed in the name of profit.From a consumer perspective , it 's a win-win situation .
The next question would be one of battery consumption .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Dropped calls = dropped GPS directions"I am assuming that since they call it "GPS" navigation that it doesn't use cell towers for location information but satellites, so this shouldn't be a problem.Even if you cannot call for help, you at least know which direction to go to find it.Considering that 911 service requires the use of GPS, and has for YEARS, this is long overdue and should have been on the market years ago.I can only assume that some back-room deals/agreements have been the only thing preventing it for so long--and that those agreements have been tossed in the name of profit.From a consumer perspective, it's a win-win situation.
The next question would be one of battery consumption.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30856218</id>
	<title>Re:Offline GPS?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1264093920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I downloaded all of Europe. Compressed, it&rsquo;s 1.9 GB. And 4.7 MB for the German female speech files.<br>(This is the normal map and terrain data. Not the satellite data, which really would be huge for such a large area, but still pretty small for e.g. a city.)</p><p>My memory card is 8 GB in size, and easily replacable without turning the phone off or opening the back panel.<br>So it fits nicely, even with loads of music files, six hours of video and a couple of photos.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I downloaded all of Europe .
Compressed , it    s 1.9 GB .
And 4.7 MB for the German female speech files .
( This is the normal map and terrain data .
Not the satellite data , which really would be huge for such a large area , but still pretty small for e.g .
a city .
) My memory card is 8 GB in size , and easily replacable without turning the phone off or opening the back panel.So it fits nicely , even with loads of music files , six hours of video and a couple of photos .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I downloaded all of Europe.
Compressed, it’s 1.9 GB.
And 4.7 MB for the German female speech files.
(This is the normal map and terrain data.
Not the satellite data, which really would be huge for such a large area, but still pretty small for e.g.
a city.
)My memory card is 8 GB in size, and easily replacable without turning the phone off or opening the back panel.So it fits nicely, even with loads of music files, six hours of video and a couple of photos.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30884456</id>
	<title>Re:Outdated</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264342620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you're missing the history...</p><p>Nokia has ALWAYS charged for GPS navigation. they've just begun offering it for free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you 're missing the history...Nokia has ALWAYS charged for GPS navigation .
they 've just begun offering it for free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you're missing the history...Nokia has ALWAYS charged for GPS navigation.
they've just begun offering it for free.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854458</id>
	<title>Offline is less important than real-time updates</title>
	<author>dlevitan</author>
	<datestamp>1264079760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are very few times when off-line maps are useful in a car. For those times, there are real GPS units (ones that have batteries that last for 16 hours instead of 2 hours and can survive a fall or water or the like). The thing that makes Google maps navigation so useful to me (on my Droid) are the live traffic updates. Plus, I don't have to worry about downloading maps onto my cell phone. Everything is updated all the time, and I can have my phone re-route me on alternate routes based on current traffic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are very few times when off-line maps are useful in a car .
For those times , there are real GPS units ( ones that have batteries that last for 16 hours instead of 2 hours and can survive a fall or water or the like ) .
The thing that makes Google maps navigation so useful to me ( on my Droid ) are the live traffic updates .
Plus , I do n't have to worry about downloading maps onto my cell phone .
Everything is updated all the time , and I can have my phone re-route me on alternate routes based on current traffic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are very few times when off-line maps are useful in a car.
For those times, there are real GPS units (ones that have batteries that last for 16 hours instead of 2 hours and can survive a fall or water or the like).
The thing that makes Google maps navigation so useful to me (on my Droid) are the live traffic updates.
Plus, I don't have to worry about downloading maps onto my cell phone.
Everything is updated all the time, and I can have my phone re-route me on alternate routes based on current traffic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30857376</id>
	<title>Re:Navigation on Nokia phones works very well</title>
	<author>OldEarthResident</author>
	<datestamp>1264152720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>On a related note, are these devices suitable for walkers these days ?
<br>
Ie: do they contain the level of detail (including public rights of way) found on a 1:25000 OS map here in the UK ?
<br>
The last time I looked at these types of devices (a couple of years ago) they were clearly designed for use in a street environment only.</htmltext>
<tokenext>On a related note , are these devices suitable for walkers these days ?
Ie : do they contain the level of detail ( including public rights of way ) found on a 1 : 25000 OS map here in the UK ?
The last time I looked at these types of devices ( a couple of years ago ) they were clearly designed for use in a street environment only .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On a related note, are these devices suitable for walkers these days ?
Ie: do they contain the level of detail (including public rights of way) found on a 1:25000 OS map here in the UK ?
The last time I looked at these types of devices (a couple of years ago) they were clearly designed for use in a street environment only.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854710</id>
	<title>Single Point of Failure</title>
	<author>dreamchaser</author>
	<datestamp>1264081140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as you are fine with having a single point of failure then go for it.  I'll stick to my standalone GPS and my MP3 Player to augment my smartphone.</p><p>A toolbox &gt; a multitool.  The multitool is great for quick fixes, but nothing replaces using the right tool for the right job, not to mention my aforementioned single point of failure problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as you are fine with having a single point of failure then go for it .
I 'll stick to my standalone GPS and my MP3 Player to augment my smartphone.A toolbox &gt; a multitool .
The multitool is great for quick fixes , but nothing replaces using the right tool for the right job , not to mention my aforementioned single point of failure problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as you are fine with having a single point of failure then go for it.
I'll stick to my standalone GPS and my MP3 Player to augment my smartphone.A toolbox &gt; a multitool.
The multitool is great for quick fixes, but nothing replaces using the right tool for the right job, not to mention my aforementioned single point of failure problem.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30856492</id>
	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>MobileTatsu-NJG</author>
	<datestamp>1264096980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Your GPS doesn't get traffic data.</p> </div><p>That's strictly a software issue.  Your cell phone is better equipped to get traffic data than a GPS ever will be.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> Your camera has a horribly small lens and is good only for taking 4x6 photos.</p> </div><p>BFD.  How many candid 8x10's do you have in your photo album?</p><p><div class="quote"><p> Your document scanner is horrible quality.</p> </div><p>It's a document, it just has to be readable.  My shitty iPhone camera takes readable photos of 8x11 docs.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> Your portable game console is limited by having touchscreen only and no physical controls.</p></div><p>All a game has to do is be is entertaining.  (Although I will admit I hesitant to say you're flat out wrong.  8-bit games have failed to die.)</p><p><div class="quote"><p> Using your mp3 player/video player (and any of the above) will deplete your phone battery so you can't receive calls.</p>  </div><p>Plug it into a USB port when you're back home or at the office or whatever.  Worst case scenario, stop playing games when you reach a certain battery level.</p><p>I skipped the watch argument, I agree with you.  In fact I think in a few years we'll be using watches to see where our incoming calls are coming from.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I get that it may work for you, but there's a good market for standalone devices for a reason.</p></div><p>There'll always be standalone devices because there's always some group of people that wants an extra megapixel or a device that can be submersed in a toilet. It's not a question of if specialty equipment exists, it's a question of whether or not the market will be millions or merely hundreds of thousands.  Alarm Clock Manufacturers, for example, should be nervous.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your GPS does n't get traffic data .
That 's strictly a software issue .
Your cell phone is better equipped to get traffic data than a GPS ever will be .
Your camera has a horribly small lens and is good only for taking 4x6 photos .
BFD. How many candid 8x10 's do you have in your photo album ?
Your document scanner is horrible quality .
It 's a document , it just has to be readable .
My shitty iPhone camera takes readable photos of 8x11 docs .
Your portable game console is limited by having touchscreen only and no physical controls.All a game has to do is be is entertaining .
( Although I will admit I hesitant to say you 're flat out wrong .
8-bit games have failed to die .
) Using your mp3 player/video player ( and any of the above ) will deplete your phone battery so you ca n't receive calls .
Plug it into a USB port when you 're back home or at the office or whatever .
Worst case scenario , stop playing games when you reach a certain battery level.I skipped the watch argument , I agree with you .
In fact I think in a few years we 'll be using watches to see where our incoming calls are coming from.I get that it may work for you , but there 's a good market for standalone devices for a reason.There 'll always be standalone devices because there 's always some group of people that wants an extra megapixel or a device that can be submersed in a toilet .
It 's not a question of if specialty equipment exists , it 's a question of whether or not the market will be millions or merely hundreds of thousands .
Alarm Clock Manufacturers , for example , should be nervous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Your GPS doesn't get traffic data.
That's strictly a software issue.
Your cell phone is better equipped to get traffic data than a GPS ever will be.
Your camera has a horribly small lens and is good only for taking 4x6 photos.
BFD.  How many candid 8x10's do you have in your photo album?
Your document scanner is horrible quality.
It's a document, it just has to be readable.
My shitty iPhone camera takes readable photos of 8x11 docs.
Your portable game console is limited by having touchscreen only and no physical controls.All a game has to do is be is entertaining.
(Although I will admit I hesitant to say you're flat out wrong.
8-bit games have failed to die.
) Using your mp3 player/video player (and any of the above) will deplete your phone battery so you can't receive calls.
Plug it into a USB port when you're back home or at the office or whatever.
Worst case scenario, stop playing games when you reach a certain battery level.I skipped the watch argument, I agree with you.
In fact I think in a few years we'll be using watches to see where our incoming calls are coming from.I get that it may work for you, but there's a good market for standalone devices for a reason.There'll always be standalone devices because there's always some group of people that wants an extra megapixel or a device that can be submersed in a toilet.
It's not a question of if specialty equipment exists, it's a question of whether or not the market will be millions or merely hundreds of thousands.
Alarm Clock Manufacturers, for example, should be nervous.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30856110</id>
	<title>Re:Standalone GPS</title>
	<author>farble1670</author>
	<datestamp>1264092840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>do you think garmin will remain the company it is today selling GPS units to the subset of kayakers that require a GPS? i think that's what people are getting at. of course there's a market for offline, rugged GPS units, but companies like garmin and tom-tom are living of the spoils of consumer level auto GPS units.
<br>
<br>
standalone GPS companies are going to shrink, which means they will have less $ for r&amp;d, which means their features will start to lag behind smart phone GPS software. in other words, a downward spiral.</htmltext>
<tokenext>do you think garmin will remain the company it is today selling GPS units to the subset of kayakers that require a GPS ?
i think that 's what people are getting at .
of course there 's a market for offline , rugged GPS units , but companies like garmin and tom-tom are living of the spoils of consumer level auto GPS units .
standalone GPS companies are going to shrink , which means they will have less $ for r&amp;d , which means their features will start to lag behind smart phone GPS software .
in other words , a downward spiral .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>do you think garmin will remain the company it is today selling GPS units to the subset of kayakers that require a GPS?
i think that's what people are getting at.
of course there's a market for offline, rugged GPS units, but companies like garmin and tom-tom are living of the spoils of consumer level auto GPS units.
standalone GPS companies are going to shrink, which means they will have less $ for r&amp;d, which means their features will start to lag behind smart phone GPS software.
in other words, a downward spiral.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30857032</id>
	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>ucblockhead</author>
	<datestamp>1264190700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're doing all those things with the device, will the battery be charged when you get a call?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're doing all those things with the device , will the battery be charged when you get a call ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're doing all those things with the device, will the battery be charged when you get a call?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855430</id>
	<title>everyone else is doing it, plus legal reasons.</title>
	<author>SuperBanana</author>
	<datestamp>1264086720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>The problem is, will Nokia keep on updating their free directions? Generally, when you have a large company that seems to be losing money and marketshare left and right they will release a lot of paid things for free in order to not have to update them or maintain them as much as a paid product.</i>

</p><p>I think this is being done for two reasons:

</p><p>1)Everyone else is doing it. 2)It makes it more difficult to legislate using phone while driving illegal.  Customers (voters) will be pissed if they're used to using their phone to navigate, and suddenly they can't use their phone while driving.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is , will Nokia keep on updating their free directions ?
Generally , when you have a large company that seems to be losing money and marketshare left and right they will release a lot of paid things for free in order to not have to update them or maintain them as much as a paid product .
I think this is being done for two reasons : 1 ) Everyone else is doing it .
2 ) It makes it more difficult to legislate using phone while driving illegal .
Customers ( voters ) will be pissed if they 're used to using their phone to navigate , and suddenly they ca n't use their phone while driving .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The problem is, will Nokia keep on updating their free directions?
Generally, when you have a large company that seems to be losing money and marketshare left and right they will release a lot of paid things for free in order to not have to update them or maintain them as much as a paid product.
I think this is being done for two reasons:

1)Everyone else is doing it.
2)It makes it more difficult to legislate using phone while driving illegal.
Customers (voters) will be pissed if they're used to using their phone to navigate, and suddenly they can't use their phone while driving.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30857056</id>
	<title>Re:What about live traffic updates</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264191060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While you were quantumly driving to Portland or the Bay Area, did you take several routes around traffic back-ups at the same time?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While you were quantumly driving to Portland or the Bay Area , did you take several routes around traffic back-ups at the same time ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While you were quantumly driving to Portland or the Bay Area, did you take several routes around traffic back-ups at the same time?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854654</id>
	<title>Re:Standalone GPS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264080900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm guessing not even 1\% of GPS users need a waterproof device.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm guessing not even 1 \ % of GPS users need a waterproof device .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm guessing not even 1\% of GPS users need a waterproof device.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854476</id>
	<title>Standalone GPS</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1264079880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I own an openmoko and my wife owns an HTC Magic, running android. I know five or so people who own iPhones. I am yet to see a device which can replace my Garmin etrex.</p><p>I regularly attach the garmin to the deck of my sea kayak and dunk it in the ocean. I don't plan on doing that to a smart phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I own an openmoko and my wife owns an HTC Magic , running android .
I know five or so people who own iPhones .
I am yet to see a device which can replace my Garmin etrex.I regularly attach the garmin to the deck of my sea kayak and dunk it in the ocean .
I do n't plan on doing that to a smart phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I own an openmoko and my wife owns an HTC Magic, running android.
I know five or so people who own iPhones.
I am yet to see a device which can replace my Garmin etrex.I regularly attach the garmin to the deck of my sea kayak and dunk it in the ocean.
I don't plan on doing that to a smart phone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855370</id>
	<title>Re:What about live traffic updates</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1264086120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From what I've seen, the iphone won't reroute you in transit unless you tell it to get new directions.  It does show traffic, one would hope it calculates that.</p><p>My standalone magellan does not have traffic reports at all.  It could have, for extra dollars a year.  It also doesn't get updated without more fees, and after a few years that becomes annoying.  Granted, the iphone data plan is not exactly free, the fees for the magellan's subscription and a dumbphone would probably be less.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't get this rush to put everything in a phone.</p></div><p>For me at least, I never remembered to bring the magellan, wheras I never forget my phone.</p><p>One major limitation of the phone GPS vs a standalone is of course coverage.  Driving through rural colorado, the map on the phone was useless.  Then again, I HAD the phone, while I forgot the magellan.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From what I 've seen , the iphone wo n't reroute you in transit unless you tell it to get new directions .
It does show traffic , one would hope it calculates that.My standalone magellan does not have traffic reports at all .
It could have , for extra dollars a year .
It also does n't get updated without more fees , and after a few years that becomes annoying .
Granted , the iphone data plan is not exactly free , the fees for the magellan 's subscription and a dumbphone would probably be less.I do n't get this rush to put everything in a phone.For me at least , I never remembered to bring the magellan , wheras I never forget my phone.One major limitation of the phone GPS vs a standalone is of course coverage .
Driving through rural colorado , the map on the phone was useless .
Then again , I HAD the phone , while I forgot the magellan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From what I've seen, the iphone won't reroute you in transit unless you tell it to get new directions.
It does show traffic, one would hope it calculates that.My standalone magellan does not have traffic reports at all.
It could have, for extra dollars a year.
It also doesn't get updated without more fees, and after a few years that becomes annoying.
Granted, the iphone data plan is not exactly free, the fees for the magellan's subscription and a dumbphone would probably be less.I don't get this rush to put everything in a phone.For me at least, I never remembered to bring the magellan, wheras I never forget my phone.One major limitation of the phone GPS vs a standalone is of course coverage.
Driving through rural colorado, the map on the phone was useless.
Then again, I HAD the phone, while I forgot the magellan.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30857300</id>
	<title>Re:Sprint + WebOS +GPS is already "free"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264151040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Point was is that the Nokia is offline. &gt;.&gt;<br>Most smartphones have had gps stuff for a while. Putting the free (WebOS/Android/et al) and offline (old pharos gps for my Hitachi G1000)<br>All your network dependent stuff isn't going to help as you are driving somewhere trying to find a place with poor/no reception, so....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Point was is that the Nokia is offline .
&gt; . &gt; Most smartphones have had gps stuff for a while .
Putting the free ( WebOS/Android/et al ) and offline ( old pharos gps for my Hitachi G1000 ) All your network dependent stuff is n't going to help as you are driving somewhere trying to find a place with poor/no reception , so... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Point was is that the Nokia is offline.
&gt;.&gt;Most smartphones have had gps stuff for a while.
Putting the free (WebOS/Android/et al) and offline (old pharos gps for my Hitachi G1000)All your network dependent stuff isn't going to help as you are driving somewhere trying to find a place with poor/no reception, so....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30861904</id>
	<title>Re:Single Point of Failure</title>
	<author>berashith</author>
	<datestamp>1264188840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dont think you have really escaped the single point of failure.</p><p>Losing an all in one device means you have lost a lot of functionality, but replacing that device brings it all back in one shot.</p><p>Having one device for one task may sound good, but if you need a camera, and you lose it ( or it breaks ) your stand alone GPS device cant help you take a picture.</p><p>Your point is valid for why I dont use my phone as an mp3 player. Draining the battery on my music player has much less impact when I am hours from a charger than draining the battery on my phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dont think you have really escaped the single point of failure.Losing an all in one device means you have lost a lot of functionality , but replacing that device brings it all back in one shot.Having one device for one task may sound good , but if you need a camera , and you lose it ( or it breaks ) your stand alone GPS device cant help you take a picture.Your point is valid for why I dont use my phone as an mp3 player .
Draining the battery on my music player has much less impact when I am hours from a charger than draining the battery on my phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dont think you have really escaped the single point of failure.Losing an all in one device means you have lost a lot of functionality, but replacing that device brings it all back in one shot.Having one device for one task may sound good, but if you need a camera, and you lose it ( or it breaks ) your stand alone GPS device cant help you take a picture.Your point is valid for why I dont use my phone as an mp3 player.
Draining the battery on my music player has much less impact when I am hours from a charger than draining the battery on my phone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855040</id>
	<title>This is not new</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264083600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nokia have had free navigation for <a href="http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/02/08/nokia\_frees\_smart2go/" title="reghardware.co.uk" rel="nofollow">years</a> [reghardware.co.uk].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nokia have had free navigation for years [ reghardware.co.uk ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nokia have had free navigation for years [reghardware.co.uk].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30860586</id>
	<title>Re:Navigation on Nokia phones works very well</title>
	<author>Tillmann</author>
	<datestamp>1264181460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hi,</p><p>I can put the Nokia N82 in my car (regular car, not a convertible) between the front seats - not even below the windshield - and it still works. Fix is reasonably quick also. Of course a factory installed car GPS will give better accuracy, esp. in tunnels, but still the cell phone is good enough for normal usage. I have driven thousands of kilometers with the phone, sometimes under difficult conditions (e.g. through inner city Rome as a foreigner, during rush hour), and what can I say, it works.<br>Only point of criticism is that it's unreliable in conditions of extreme air humidity. E.g. when in the tank bag of a motorcycle in heavy rain (which is quite a bummer because when that condition occurs, you really really want to reach your destination quickly), or in the tropics during rain season; this has caused temporary failure for me several times.</p><p>bye,<br>Till</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi,I can put the Nokia N82 in my car ( regular car , not a convertible ) between the front seats - not even below the windshield - and it still works .
Fix is reasonably quick also .
Of course a factory installed car GPS will give better accuracy , esp .
in tunnels , but still the cell phone is good enough for normal usage .
I have driven thousands of kilometers with the phone , sometimes under difficult conditions ( e.g .
through inner city Rome as a foreigner , during rush hour ) , and what can I say , it works.Only point of criticism is that it 's unreliable in conditions of extreme air humidity .
E.g. when in the tank bag of a motorcycle in heavy rain ( which is quite a bummer because when that condition occurs , you really really want to reach your destination quickly ) , or in the tropics during rain season ; this has caused temporary failure for me several times.bye,Till</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi,I can put the Nokia N82 in my car (regular car, not a convertible) between the front seats - not even below the windshield - and it still works.
Fix is reasonably quick also.
Of course a factory installed car GPS will give better accuracy, esp.
in tunnels, but still the cell phone is good enough for normal usage.
I have driven thousands of kilometers with the phone, sometimes under difficult conditions (e.g.
through inner city Rome as a foreigner, during rush hour), and what can I say, it works.Only point of criticism is that it's unreliable in conditions of extreme air humidity.
E.g. when in the tank bag of a motorcycle in heavy rain (which is quite a bummer because when that condition occurs, you really really want to reach your destination quickly), or in the tropics during rain season; this has caused temporary failure for me several times.bye,Till</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855222</id>
	<title>Re:Undercutting the market?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264084860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seems to me they're just catching up with the competition. TFS positions this as a blow against Tom Tom at al, but this is something that other smartphones have been offering for quite some time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems to me they 're just catching up with the competition .
TFS positions this as a blow against Tom Tom at al , but this is something that other smartphones have been offering for quite some time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems to me they're just catching up with the competition.
TFS positions this as a blow against Tom Tom at al, but this is something that other smartphones have been offering for quite some time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30859878</id>
	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>the plant doctor</author>
	<datestamp>1264178160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Regarding your statement "Your GPS doesn't get traffic data."</p><p>You don't have a Nokia smart phone to use these maps, do you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Regarding your statement " Your GPS does n't get traffic data .
" You do n't have a Nokia smart phone to use these maps , do you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Regarding your statement "Your GPS doesn't get traffic data.
"You don't have a Nokia smart phone to use these maps, do you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854702</id>
	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264081080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At this point, the stand alone GPS industry is in trouble. It came of age too late. A stand alone GPS has a few advantages, some of which may disappear:
</p><ul>
<li>It's cheaper than a phone with an equivalent screen/storage... for now.</li><li>Better accuracy (phones probably won't need to ever be as accurate)</li><li>Smaller / more durable</li><li>Works without cell network (although phones are capable of that</li></ul><p>GPS will stick around for some applications. A in-dash GPS will always have a bigger screen than your phone. No one would be stupid enough to use a cell phone as their marine/aviation GPS (even if they made it legal).
</p><p>But for the end user? Google Map's interface is way better than any GPS I've seen. Having street view and satellite view is very useful, and having the cell network means it can find any business, pull up their website, etc.
</p><p>The prices on stand alone GPS units stayed high much longer than I ever expected. As they started getting cheap, phones came along and made them useless for many people. I'm happy with Google Maps on my phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At this point , the stand alone GPS industry is in trouble .
It came of age too late .
A stand alone GPS has a few advantages , some of which may disappear : It 's cheaper than a phone with an equivalent screen/storage... for now.Better accuracy ( phones probably wo n't need to ever be as accurate ) Smaller / more durableWorks without cell network ( although phones are capable of thatGPS will stick around for some applications .
A in-dash GPS will always have a bigger screen than your phone .
No one would be stupid enough to use a cell phone as their marine/aviation GPS ( even if they made it legal ) .
But for the end user ?
Google Map 's interface is way better than any GPS I 've seen .
Having street view and satellite view is very useful , and having the cell network means it can find any business , pull up their website , etc .
The prices on stand alone GPS units stayed high much longer than I ever expected .
As they started getting cheap , phones came along and made them useless for many people .
I 'm happy with Google Maps on my phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At this point, the stand alone GPS industry is in trouble.
It came of age too late.
A stand alone GPS has a few advantages, some of which may disappear:

It's cheaper than a phone with an equivalent screen/storage... for now.Better accuracy (phones probably won't need to ever be as accurate)Smaller / more durableWorks without cell network (although phones are capable of thatGPS will stick around for some applications.
A in-dash GPS will always have a bigger screen than your phone.
No one would be stupid enough to use a cell phone as their marine/aviation GPS (even if they made it legal).
But for the end user?
Google Map's interface is way better than any GPS I've seen.
Having street view and satellite view is very useful, and having the cell network means it can find any business, pull up their website, etc.
The prices on stand alone GPS units stayed high much longer than I ever expected.
As they started getting cheap, phones came along and made them useless for many people.
I'm happy with Google Maps on my phone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30858280</id>
	<title>Re:Outdated</title>
	<author>oji-sama</author>
	<datestamp>1264165920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They will start charging for it when, and if they think they can get away with it. If there is no decent free alternative and they have a good market share they will most likely start to charge for it.</p></div><p>"Navigation on your Nokia. For free. Forever." Are you really sure?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They will start charging for it when , and if they think they can get away with it .
If there is no decent free alternative and they have a good market share they will most likely start to charge for it .
" Navigation on your Nokia .
For free .
Forever. " Are you really sure ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They will start charging for it when, and if they think they can get away with it.
If there is no decent free alternative and they have a good market share they will most likely start to charge for it.
"Navigation on your Nokia.
For free.
Forever." Are you really sure?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30856654</id>
	<title>Re:Standalone Systems will just be enhanced</title>
	<author>tpwch</author>
	<datestamp>1264098840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't think the screen matters that much. Most people who drive with a GPS probably relies a lot more on the voice instructions than on what the screen displays.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think the screen matters that much .
Most people who drive with a GPS probably relies a lot more on the voice instructions than on what the screen displays .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think the screen matters that much.
Most people who drive with a GPS probably relies a lot more on the voice instructions than on what the screen displays.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855560</id>
	<title>Re:What, no E75 love?  Huh?</title>
	<author>mpapet</author>
	<datestamp>1264087920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's doubtful because my e71 has maps/gps.  Do you have Windows and have you installed their middleware?  From there, you should be able to get GPS maps installed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's doubtful because my e71 has maps/gps .
Do you have Windows and have you installed their middleware ?
From there , you should be able to get GPS maps installed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's doubtful because my e71 has maps/gps.
Do you have Windows and have you installed their middleware?
From there, you should be able to get GPS maps installed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30861530</id>
	<title>Re:Offline GPS?</title>
	<author>CompMD</author>
	<datestamp>1264186200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, it does have a few GB of flash storage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , it does have a few GB of flash storage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, it does have a few GB of flash storage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30857884</id>
	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264161180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While the phone may beat generic devices, it will never beat specialised camera's, camcorders, watches, navigation tools, scanners, media players or gaming machines. As a generic device however, it might fullfill the needs of quite afew people (not mine, i'm a nikon fanboy), but specialised hw isn't out of the picture just yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While the phone may beat generic devices , it will never beat specialised camera 's , camcorders , watches , navigation tools , scanners , media players or gaming machines .
As a generic device however , it might fullfill the needs of quite afew people ( not mine , i 'm a nikon fanboy ) , but specialised hw is n't out of the picture just yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While the phone may beat generic devices, it will never beat specialised camera's, camcorders, watches, navigation tools, scanners, media players or gaming machines.
As a generic device however, it might fullfill the needs of quite afew people (not mine, i'm a nikon fanboy), but specialised hw isn't out of the picture just yet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854568</id>
	<title>Re:Offline is less important than real-time update</title>
	<author>Kessler</author>
	<datestamp>1264080480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ovi Maps does real-time online map downloads just fine, along with real-time online traffic updates, weather, events, location sharing, etc. However, by allowing you to store maps on the memory card (a few gig can cover the US and most of Europe) you aren't *forced* to be online to use it. Handy for those treks into more rural areas (where 3G coverage, not to mention road signs, is a luxury and offline nav becomes really beneficial). Also nice when you're off-network and don't want to pay crazy data roaming charges.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ovi Maps does real-time online map downloads just fine , along with real-time online traffic updates , weather , events , location sharing , etc .
However , by allowing you to store maps on the memory card ( a few gig can cover the US and most of Europe ) you are n't * forced * to be online to use it .
Handy for those treks into more rural areas ( where 3G coverage , not to mention road signs , is a luxury and offline nav becomes really beneficial ) .
Also nice when you 're off-network and do n't want to pay crazy data roaming charges .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ovi Maps does real-time online map downloads just fine, along with real-time online traffic updates, weather, events, location sharing, etc.
However, by allowing you to store maps on the memory card (a few gig can cover the US and most of Europe) you aren't *forced* to be online to use it.
Handy for those treks into more rural areas (where 3G coverage, not to mention road signs, is a luxury and offline nav becomes really beneficial).
Also nice when you're off-network and don't want to pay crazy data roaming charges.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30862408</id>
	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>GPLHost-Thomas</author>
	<datestamp>1264191720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>- My standalone GPS doesn't have traffic data either, but my phone might one day update its software, and it has internet connectivity while my standalone GPS don't and wont EVER have traffic info.
- My camera on my n900 is very good (Carl Zeiss, they say...), and is nearly as good as the standalone camera I bought 2 years ago.
- When I drive, I have a watch on my car. When I don't drive, I can look at my phone, plus I hate wearing a watch.
- What's that document scanner you are talking about???
- I don't play action games (and rarely games at all), and I have a real keyboard, and many other types of sensor (even quake works well using them, a way better than using keys...)
- I have a spare battery so I can swap if it run out of it (yes, one of the reason I'd never get a stupid iPhone...).</htmltext>
<tokenext>- My standalone GPS does n't have traffic data either , but my phone might one day update its software , and it has internet connectivity while my standalone GPS do n't and wont EVER have traffic info .
- My camera on my n900 is very good ( Carl Zeiss , they say... ) , and is nearly as good as the standalone camera I bought 2 years ago .
- When I drive , I have a watch on my car .
When I do n't drive , I can look at my phone , plus I hate wearing a watch .
- What 's that document scanner you are talking about ? ? ?
- I do n't play action games ( and rarely games at all ) , and I have a real keyboard , and many other types of sensor ( even quake works well using them , a way better than using keys... ) - I have a spare battery so I can swap if it run out of it ( yes , one of the reason I 'd never get a stupid iPhone... ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>- My standalone GPS doesn't have traffic data either, but my phone might one day update its software, and it has internet connectivity while my standalone GPS don't and wont EVER have traffic info.
- My camera on my n900 is very good (Carl Zeiss, they say...), and is nearly as good as the standalone camera I bought 2 years ago.
- When I drive, I have a watch on my car.
When I don't drive, I can look at my phone, plus I hate wearing a watch.
- What's that document scanner you are talking about???
- I don't play action games (and rarely games at all), and I have a real keyboard, and many other types of sensor (even quake works well using them, a way better than using keys...)
- I have a spare battery so I can swap if it run out of it (yes, one of the reason I'd never get a stupid iPhone...).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30863180</id>
	<title>Re:What, no E75 love?</title>
	<author>Urkki</author>
	<datestamp>1264153320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Just checked and they do not offer it for the E75, one of their pricier, GPS enabled phones.</p><p>Man, do I feel like an idiot for buying one now.</p></div><p>A wild guess: it'll need a firmware upgrade, and it's not ready yet for E75. For my phone it was clearly stated that a new enough firmware was needed, and I had to upgrade that. Good thing I got access to a WinXP, 'cos OTA firmware upgrade refused to work and the Windows update utility doesn't work on Windows 7 (I was rather dumbfounded by that... Somebody ought to lose their job over that kind of screwup!)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just checked and they do not offer it for the E75 , one of their pricier , GPS enabled phones.Man , do I feel like an idiot for buying one now.A wild guess : it 'll need a firmware upgrade , and it 's not ready yet for E75 .
For my phone it was clearly stated that a new enough firmware was needed , and I had to upgrade that .
Good thing I got access to a WinXP , 'cos OTA firmware upgrade refused to work and the Windows update utility does n't work on Windows 7 ( I was rather dumbfounded by that... Somebody ought to lose their job over that kind of screwup !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just checked and they do not offer it for the E75, one of their pricier, GPS enabled phones.Man, do I feel like an idiot for buying one now.A wild guess: it'll need a firmware upgrade, and it's not ready yet for E75.
For my phone it was clearly stated that a new enough firmware was needed, and I had to upgrade that.
Good thing I got access to a WinXP, 'cos OTA firmware upgrade refused to work and the Windows update utility doesn't work on Windows 7 (I was rather dumbfounded by that... Somebody ought to lose their job over that kind of screwup!
)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854214</id>
	<title>Outdated</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264078380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem is, will Nokia keep on updating their free directions? Generally, when you have a large company that seems to be losing money and marketshare left and right they will release a lot of paid things for free in order to not have to update them or maintain them as much as a paid product.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is , will Nokia keep on updating their free directions ?
Generally , when you have a large company that seems to be losing money and marketshare left and right they will release a lot of paid things for free in order to not have to update them or maintain them as much as a paid product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is, will Nokia keep on updating their free directions?
Generally, when you have a large company that seems to be losing money and marketshare left and right they will release a lot of paid things for free in order to not have to update them or maintain them as much as a paid product.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854826</id>
	<title>Re:What about live traffic updates</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264081800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Will phone based GPS apps do that and let me talk on the phone?</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
For the sake of us all: Please do not drive and talk on the phone at the same time.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Will phone based GPS apps do that and let me talk on the phone ?
For the sake of us all : Please do not drive and talk on the phone at the same time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will phone based GPS apps do that and let me talk on the phone?
For the sake of us all: Please do not drive and talk on the phone at the same time.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855270</id>
	<title>Re:Offline GPS?</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1264085280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can download the OpenStreetMap maps for offline use.  There's a rather neat Java app that creates a J2ME app with a selectable subset of the data for you.  How much space you need depends on how large an area you want.  I put everywhere within about an hour's drive of my house on my old phone.  With a bigger flash card it's pretty easy to fit the whole UK on (around 150MB, as I recall).</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can download the OpenStreetMap maps for offline use .
There 's a rather neat Java app that creates a J2ME app with a selectable subset of the data for you .
How much space you need depends on how large an area you want .
I put everywhere within about an hour 's drive of my house on my old phone .
With a bigger flash card it 's pretty easy to fit the whole UK on ( around 150MB , as I recall ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can download the OpenStreetMap maps for offline use.
There's a rather neat Java app that creates a J2ME app with a selectable subset of the data for you.
How much space you need depends on how large an area you want.
I put everywhere within about an hour's drive of my house on my old phone.
With a bigger flash card it's pretty easy to fit the whole UK on (around 150MB, as I recall).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855216</id>
	<title>Re:Offline GPS?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264084860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>iGuidance offline GPS maps and application for the entire US take up less than 1.5 GB on a Windows Mobile phone. With a 16 GB SD card, space is really not a big deal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>iGuidance offline GPS maps and application for the entire US take up less than 1.5 GB on a Windows Mobile phone .
With a 16 GB SD card , space is really not a big deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iGuidance offline GPS maps and application for the entire US take up less than 1.5 GB on a Windows Mobile phone.
With a 16 GB SD card, space is really not a big deal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30856510</id>
	<title>Re:Offline GPS?</title>
	<author>bendodge</author>
	<datestamp>1264097160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, I have a Garmin Nuvi 255wt, and the North America street maps were huge (~6GB iirc) when decompressed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I have a Garmin Nuvi 255wt , and the North America street maps were huge ( ~ 6GB iirc ) when decompressed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I have a Garmin Nuvi 255wt, and the North America street maps were huge (~6GB iirc) when decompressed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855360</id>
	<title>Nokia's website sucks!</title>
	<author>alantus</author>
	<datestamp>1264086060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After reading this I went to Nokia's website in order to download and install the latest Nokia Maps.<br>Since my cellphone isn't mentioned as supported, I clicked on the "visit Maps support" link, which takes me to a flash riddled page that doesn't work in firefox or ie (with flash installed).<br>From there I started clicking on different links, and they are either redirecting me to the same referrer or taking me to another flash page that doesn't work.</p><p>I have to say, this is the most useless website I've seen in a while.  Looks nice, but useless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After reading this I went to Nokia 's website in order to download and install the latest Nokia Maps.Since my cellphone is n't mentioned as supported , I clicked on the " visit Maps support " link , which takes me to a flash riddled page that does n't work in firefox or ie ( with flash installed ) .From there I started clicking on different links , and they are either redirecting me to the same referrer or taking me to another flash page that does n't work.I have to say , this is the most useless website I 've seen in a while .
Looks nice , but useless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After reading this I went to Nokia's website in order to download and install the latest Nokia Maps.Since my cellphone isn't mentioned as supported, I clicked on the "visit Maps support" link, which takes me to a flash riddled page that doesn't work in firefox or ie (with flash installed).From there I started clicking on different links, and they are either redirecting me to the same referrer or taking me to another flash page that doesn't work.I have to say, this is the most useless website I've seen in a while.
Looks nice, but useless.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855974</id>
	<title>Re:What about live traffic updates</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264091400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People talk on the phone while driving. Get over it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People talk on the phone while driving .
Get over it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People talk on the phone while driving.
Get over it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30857450</id>
	<title>Re:What about live traffic updates</title>
	<author>dunkelfalke</author>
	<datestamp>1264153860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a TMC driver for the FM radio module of many HTC devices. With it any TMC enabled navigation software can do that.<br>You can find the driver <a href="http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=512630" title="xda-developers.com">here</a> [xda-developers.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a TMC driver for the FM radio module of many HTC devices .
With it any TMC enabled navigation software can do that.You can find the driver here [ xda-developers.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a TMC driver for the FM radio module of many HTC devices.
With it any TMC enabled navigation software can do that.You can find the driver here [xda-developers.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855280</id>
	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>Luckyo</author>
	<datestamp>1264085340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Using my own nokia xm5800 and tomtom's 4 inch mid-range navigator I had to use before it I have to note that you're ignorant of the current form factors in GPS world vs nokia phones, at least as far as Europe is concerned.</p><p>- it's smaller then any decent navigator on the market, in every aspect. Pretty much any autonavi sold nowadays has a 4 inch screen, and is usually fairly heavy (several hundred grams) and bulky. It's not something that will fit your pocket. My 5800 even fits into the small right side "pocket inside pocket" of my levi's 501s. (For the reference, one of the reasons iphone and most android offerings weren't suitable for me is because they didn't fit there and I'm simply too used to keeping my phone in that pocket).</p><p>- accuracy is actually very good on the phone. Problem is lock-on time, which is indeed longer on the 5800 then on tomtom. It's fast enough however for my sports tracker app to activate while I get my biking gear on, or while I start the car, fasten myself in and drive out of the parking slot.</p><p>- durability wise, you're probably right. This is mostly because of 5800's user-changeable battery though, which most GPS devices lack. But why do you need durability for car navigation?</p><p>- works fine without any cell phone activity. This was actually reason #1 why I bought 5800 over competitive brands - the phone doesn't actually lose most of its "smart" functionality when not on data network. Unlike google maps and such, the maps are actually stored locally on the memory card, requiring zero input from network. Internal GPS works perfectly well stand-alone (although assisted GPS may accelerate lock-on in theory - I cannot testify on this point as I have never tried it). The phone gives me the choice, do I want real time updates online, or just go offline and get no data charges.</p><p>- screen for automobile navigation only has to be "good enough". The main reason for this is because most of the navigation is actually audio, not video - you are supposed to be driving remember? Watching your GPS screen while in a busy intersection in a big city is quite suicidal. Screen is mainly important for route design and map overview while not driving, and for that, 3.2 inch widescreen on the phone is more then enough.</p><p>- price: believe it or not, 5800 is actually only slightly more expensive then standalone TomTom (current market leader) navigation hardware. Additionally with TomTom you have to pay for maps that didn't come with the device (for example I live in Scandinavia, and most cheaper models only come with maps for Nordic countries. Germany etc would cost a very large lump sump extra compared to initial cost of the device. Midrange covers Europe, but treck over eastern border to Russia would need me to buy maps again). Finally you have to pay for map updates - nokia provides them for free, and has done so since their naviteq purchase, even before today. The change today was that driving navigation became free - walking navigation and map function has been free for my phone from day one.</p><p>- final point - comparing this to google maps is comparing apples to oranges. Google maps is ONLINE MAPPING with no real voice navigation. Navteq's (nokia's) navigation is a full OFFLINE NAVIGATION suite with voice navigation. The difference is rather huge:</p><p>1. You need functional data connection for google maps to work. You do not need one for nokia/tomtom/garmin/etc. Consider that while traveling aboard, data rates go pretty insane.</p><p>2. Your internet connection must be reasonably fast for google maps to work while driving. It's not good to see a decent resolution image of intersection AFTER you've driven past it. This is actually a fairly common occurence with google maps in areas outside 3g coverage. Sure, you can preload, but that's quite a bit of hassle and extra time you need to use, and can't really be done when you're changing your goals on the move, which you end up doing quite a lot when driving around as a tourist in a rented car for example.</p><p>3. Audio navigatio</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Using my own nokia xm5800 and tomtom 's 4 inch mid-range navigator I had to use before it I have to note that you 're ignorant of the current form factors in GPS world vs nokia phones , at least as far as Europe is concerned.- it 's smaller then any decent navigator on the market , in every aspect .
Pretty much any autonavi sold nowadays has a 4 inch screen , and is usually fairly heavy ( several hundred grams ) and bulky .
It 's not something that will fit your pocket .
My 5800 even fits into the small right side " pocket inside pocket " of my levi 's 501s .
( For the reference , one of the reasons iphone and most android offerings were n't suitable for me is because they did n't fit there and I 'm simply too used to keeping my phone in that pocket ) .- accuracy is actually very good on the phone .
Problem is lock-on time , which is indeed longer on the 5800 then on tomtom .
It 's fast enough however for my sports tracker app to activate while I get my biking gear on , or while I start the car , fasten myself in and drive out of the parking slot.- durability wise , you 're probably right .
This is mostly because of 5800 's user-changeable battery though , which most GPS devices lack .
But why do you need durability for car navigation ? - works fine without any cell phone activity .
This was actually reason # 1 why I bought 5800 over competitive brands - the phone does n't actually lose most of its " smart " functionality when not on data network .
Unlike google maps and such , the maps are actually stored locally on the memory card , requiring zero input from network .
Internal GPS works perfectly well stand-alone ( although assisted GPS may accelerate lock-on in theory - I can not testify on this point as I have never tried it ) .
The phone gives me the choice , do I want real time updates online , or just go offline and get no data charges.- screen for automobile navigation only has to be " good enough " .
The main reason for this is because most of the navigation is actually audio , not video - you are supposed to be driving remember ?
Watching your GPS screen while in a busy intersection in a big city is quite suicidal .
Screen is mainly important for route design and map overview while not driving , and for that , 3.2 inch widescreen on the phone is more then enough.- price : believe it or not , 5800 is actually only slightly more expensive then standalone TomTom ( current market leader ) navigation hardware .
Additionally with TomTom you have to pay for maps that did n't come with the device ( for example I live in Scandinavia , and most cheaper models only come with maps for Nordic countries .
Germany etc would cost a very large lump sump extra compared to initial cost of the device .
Midrange covers Europe , but treck over eastern border to Russia would need me to buy maps again ) .
Finally you have to pay for map updates - nokia provides them for free , and has done so since their naviteq purchase , even before today .
The change today was that driving navigation became free - walking navigation and map function has been free for my phone from day one.- final point - comparing this to google maps is comparing apples to oranges .
Google maps is ONLINE MAPPING with no real voice navigation .
Navteq 's ( nokia 's ) navigation is a full OFFLINE NAVIGATION suite with voice navigation .
The difference is rather huge : 1 .
You need functional data connection for google maps to work .
You do not need one for nokia/tomtom/garmin/etc .
Consider that while traveling aboard , data rates go pretty insane.2 .
Your internet connection must be reasonably fast for google maps to work while driving .
It 's not good to see a decent resolution image of intersection AFTER you 've driven past it .
This is actually a fairly common occurence with google maps in areas outside 3g coverage .
Sure , you can preload , but that 's quite a bit of hassle and extra time you need to use , and ca n't really be done when you 're changing your goals on the move , which you end up doing quite a lot when driving around as a tourist in a rented car for example.3 .
Audio navigatio</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using my own nokia xm5800 and tomtom's 4 inch mid-range navigator I had to use before it I have to note that you're ignorant of the current form factors in GPS world vs nokia phones, at least as far as Europe is concerned.- it's smaller then any decent navigator on the market, in every aspect.
Pretty much any autonavi sold nowadays has a 4 inch screen, and is usually fairly heavy (several hundred grams) and bulky.
It's not something that will fit your pocket.
My 5800 even fits into the small right side "pocket inside pocket" of my levi's 501s.
(For the reference, one of the reasons iphone and most android offerings weren't suitable for me is because they didn't fit there and I'm simply too used to keeping my phone in that pocket).- accuracy is actually very good on the phone.
Problem is lock-on time, which is indeed longer on the 5800 then on tomtom.
It's fast enough however for my sports tracker app to activate while I get my biking gear on, or while I start the car, fasten myself in and drive out of the parking slot.- durability wise, you're probably right.
This is mostly because of 5800's user-changeable battery though, which most GPS devices lack.
But why do you need durability for car navigation?- works fine without any cell phone activity.
This was actually reason #1 why I bought 5800 over competitive brands - the phone doesn't actually lose most of its "smart" functionality when not on data network.
Unlike google maps and such, the maps are actually stored locally on the memory card, requiring zero input from network.
Internal GPS works perfectly well stand-alone (although assisted GPS may accelerate lock-on in theory - I cannot testify on this point as I have never tried it).
The phone gives me the choice, do I want real time updates online, or just go offline and get no data charges.- screen for automobile navigation only has to be "good enough".
The main reason for this is because most of the navigation is actually audio, not video - you are supposed to be driving remember?
Watching your GPS screen while in a busy intersection in a big city is quite suicidal.
Screen is mainly important for route design and map overview while not driving, and for that, 3.2 inch widescreen on the phone is more then enough.- price: believe it or not, 5800 is actually only slightly more expensive then standalone TomTom (current market leader) navigation hardware.
Additionally with TomTom you have to pay for maps that didn't come with the device (for example I live in Scandinavia, and most cheaper models only come with maps for Nordic countries.
Germany etc would cost a very large lump sump extra compared to initial cost of the device.
Midrange covers Europe, but treck over eastern border to Russia would need me to buy maps again).
Finally you have to pay for map updates - nokia provides them for free, and has done so since their naviteq purchase, even before today.
The change today was that driving navigation became free - walking navigation and map function has been free for my phone from day one.- final point - comparing this to google maps is comparing apples to oranges.
Google maps is ONLINE MAPPING with no real voice navigation.
Navteq's (nokia's) navigation is a full OFFLINE NAVIGATION suite with voice navigation.
The difference is rather huge:1.
You need functional data connection for google maps to work.
You do not need one for nokia/tomtom/garmin/etc.
Consider that while traveling aboard, data rates go pretty insane.2.
Your internet connection must be reasonably fast for google maps to work while driving.
It's not good to see a decent resolution image of intersection AFTER you've driven past it.
This is actually a fairly common occurence with google maps in areas outside 3g coverage.
Sure, you can preload, but that's quite a bit of hassle and extra time you need to use, and can't really be done when you're changing your goals on the move, which you end up doing quite a lot when driving around as a tourist in a rented car for example.3.
Audio navigatio</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854740</id>
	<title>pay to use my hardware</title>
	<author>anglophobe\_0</author>
	<datestamp>1264081320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah...I was really surprised when I got my wife a gps-enabled smartphone, then found out it doesn't work unless you pay...Shouldn't you not have to pay to use the hardware that you already purchased? Maybe their justification is you pay for the maps, but overall it really seems ridiculous.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah...I was really surprised when I got my wife a gps-enabled smartphone , then found out it does n't work unless you pay...Should n't you not have to pay to use the hardware that you already purchased ?
Maybe their justification is you pay for the maps , but overall it really seems ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah...I was really surprised when I got my wife a gps-enabled smartphone, then found out it doesn't work unless you pay...Shouldn't you not have to pay to use the hardware that you already purchased?
Maybe their justification is you pay for the maps, but overall it really seems ridiculous.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854650</id>
	<title>Re:Offline GPS?</title>
	<author>jgreco</author>
	<datestamp>1264080840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Navigon for the iPhone is currently weighing in at about 1.5GB, and most roads are accurate and may even include posted speed data.  On the down side, it has very few POI's, especially compared to our Toyota built-in navs (runs off a DVD).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Navigon for the iPhone is currently weighing in at about 1.5GB , and most roads are accurate and may even include posted speed data .
On the down side , it has very few POI 's , especially compared to our Toyota built-in navs ( runs off a DVD ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Navigon for the iPhone is currently weighing in at about 1.5GB, and most roads are accurate and may even include posted speed data.
On the down side, it has very few POI's, especially compared to our Toyota built-in navs (runs off a DVD).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855450</id>
	<title>two-way chatter</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1264086960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have been resisting the tying of GPS with cell tech (like OnStar) because I didn't like the idea of my car/cell/insurance/anyone else knowing where I was/how fast I was going/where I'd recently been at any time. The traditional stand-alone GPS was like radio; it only received info about satellite positions. It never gave info away.<br> <br>
But I think my resistance was futile since even new stand-alone GPS units are coming with built-in 'network access' for traffic, weather, and who only know what else. I long for days of information with anonymity and autonomy. But I am afraid they are long past.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been resisting the tying of GPS with cell tech ( like OnStar ) because I did n't like the idea of my car/cell/insurance/anyone else knowing where I was/how fast I was going/where I 'd recently been at any time .
The traditional stand-alone GPS was like radio ; it only received info about satellite positions .
It never gave info away .
But I think my resistance was futile since even new stand-alone GPS units are coming with built-in 'network access ' for traffic , weather , and who only know what else .
I long for days of information with anonymity and autonomy .
But I am afraid they are long past .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been resisting the tying of GPS with cell tech (like OnStar) because I didn't like the idea of my car/cell/insurance/anyone else knowing where I was/how fast I was going/where I'd recently been at any time.
The traditional stand-alone GPS was like radio; it only received info about satellite positions.
It never gave info away.
But I think my resistance was futile since even new stand-alone GPS units are coming with built-in 'network access' for traffic, weather, and who only know what else.
I long for days of information with anonymity and autonomy.
But I am afraid they are long past.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854380</id>
	<title>Re:What about live traffic updates</title>
	<author>zaax</author>
	<datestamp>1264079340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They still change you for it (even though they get it for free), but Google don't.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They still change you for it ( even though they get it for free ) , but Google do n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They still change you for it (even though they get it for free), but Google don't.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30857460</id>
	<title>Re:Offline is less important than real-time update</title>
	<author>dunkelfalke</author>
	<datestamp>1264153980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suppose you never heard of TMC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suppose you never heard of TMC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suppose you never heard of TMC.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30857076</id>
	<title>Re:Offline GPS?</title>
	<author>Fluffy Bunnies</author>
	<datestamp>1264191360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MGmaps (not Mobile Google Maps, but Mobile Gmaps. a free (as in beer) 3rd party client) does exactly this. One big issue is the filesystem: individual tiles are small but they end up taking tons of space once you put them on a FAT32 SD card.</p><p>It's usable but you have to fine tune what zoom levels you store (= get the zoomed in tiles only for dense urban areas).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MGmaps ( not Mobile Google Maps , but Mobile Gmaps .
a free ( as in beer ) 3rd party client ) does exactly this .
One big issue is the filesystem : individual tiles are small but they end up taking tons of space once you put them on a FAT32 SD card.It 's usable but you have to fine tune what zoom levels you store ( = get the zoomed in tiles only for dense urban areas ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MGmaps (not Mobile Google Maps, but Mobile Gmaps.
a free (as in beer) 3rd party client) does exactly this.
One big issue is the filesystem: individual tiles are small but they end up taking tons of space once you put them on a FAT32 SD card.It's usable but you have to fine tune what zoom levels you store (= get the zoomed in tiles only for dense urban areas).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854900</id>
	<title>Re:Navigation on Nokia phones works very well</title>
	<author>rattaroaz</author>
	<datestamp>1264082280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a blackberry, and the GPS application works well, but the reception sucks.  Dropped calls = dropped GPS directions, at the worst possible time.  That is why I need a stand along GPS.  How is it for Nokia if the cell phone reception sucks?  Do you get some dropped signals as well?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a blackberry , and the GPS application works well , but the reception sucks .
Dropped calls = dropped GPS directions , at the worst possible time .
That is why I need a stand along GPS .
How is it for Nokia if the cell phone reception sucks ?
Do you get some dropped signals as well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a blackberry, and the GPS application works well, but the reception sucks.
Dropped calls = dropped GPS directions, at the worst possible time.
That is why I need a stand along GPS.
How is it for Nokia if the cell phone reception sucks?
Do you get some dropped signals as well?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854856</id>
	<title>Re:Sprint + WebOS +GPS is already "free"</title>
	<author>R3d M3rcury</author>
	<datestamp>1264082040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Unless users are way out in nowhere, those users already have most all of the same features of a stand-alone GPS.</p></div><p>On the other hand, if I'm way out in nowhere, I definitely need directions in order to get somewhere.  That's where downloadable maps shine.</p><p>Also, keeping that connection open to the Internet in order to get your maps probably does not do wonders for your battery life.  This isn't a big deal if you're in a car, granted, but some of us use alternate means of transportation.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless users are way out in nowhere , those users already have most all of the same features of a stand-alone GPS.On the other hand , if I 'm way out in nowhere , I definitely need directions in order to get somewhere .
That 's where downloadable maps shine.Also , keeping that connection open to the Internet in order to get your maps probably does not do wonders for your battery life .
This is n't a big deal if you 're in a car , granted , but some of us use alternate means of transportation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless users are way out in nowhere, those users already have most all of the same features of a stand-alone GPS.On the other hand, if I'm way out in nowhere, I definitely need directions in order to get somewhere.
That's where downloadable maps shine.Also, keeping that connection open to the Internet in order to get your maps probably does not do wonders for your battery life.
This isn't a big deal if you're in a car, granted, but some of us use alternate means of transportation.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854688</id>
	<title>Re:Undercutting the market?</title>
	<author>abulafia</author>
	<datestamp>1264081020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It can't be dumping, which is selling comparable commodities below cost. (These measurements don't make a lot of sense when we're talking software -- what is the per-unit "cost" of making an instance of software that runs on a phone? All the physical items for GPS navigation are already there, and break-even cost  of development depends on how many instances of the software are produced, so per-unit costs go down when you give it away.)</p><p>And Nokia may be huge, but with strong competitors in Apple and Google, I don't think anyone (at least under US law) would call them a monopoly.</p><p> This isn't even anyone targeting Garmin and friends - this is Nokia, Google and Apple gearing up for a pretty furious brawl. I think it just qualifies as a casualty of competition. Although I'm willing to bet you that Apple is talking to at least one of the dedicated GPS players about M&amp;A.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It ca n't be dumping , which is selling comparable commodities below cost .
( These measurements do n't make a lot of sense when we 're talking software -- what is the per-unit " cost " of making an instance of software that runs on a phone ?
All the physical items for GPS navigation are already there , and break-even cost of development depends on how many instances of the software are produced , so per-unit costs go down when you give it away .
) And Nokia may be huge , but with strong competitors in Apple and Google , I do n't think anyone ( at least under US law ) would call them a monopoly .
This is n't even anyone targeting Garmin and friends - this is Nokia , Google and Apple gearing up for a pretty furious brawl .
I think it just qualifies as a casualty of competition .
Although I 'm willing to bet you that Apple is talking to at least one of the dedicated GPS players about M&amp;A .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It can't be dumping, which is selling comparable commodities below cost.
(These measurements don't make a lot of sense when we're talking software -- what is the per-unit "cost" of making an instance of software that runs on a phone?
All the physical items for GPS navigation are already there, and break-even cost  of development depends on how many instances of the software are produced, so per-unit costs go down when you give it away.
)And Nokia may be huge, but with strong competitors in Apple and Google, I don't think anyone (at least under US law) would call them a monopoly.
This isn't even anyone targeting Garmin and friends - this is Nokia, Google and Apple gearing up for a pretty furious brawl.
I think it just qualifies as a casualty of competition.
Although I'm willing to bet you that Apple is talking to at least one of the dedicated GPS players about M&amp;A.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30858462</id>
	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1264168860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are two problems, first Googles solution needs at least an online connection if you have to move away from the propost road (rerouting) while this might be feasable for the USA, in Europe it is not, because you can run into a roaming problem that way, especially if you are outside of your country (which happens a lot here)<br>Secondly, most phones simply have lousy GPS receivers, period! My HTC Hero looses GPS signal as soon as I am in a forest, enter dense fog or similar situations, my Tomtom works reliably in any of those cases.<br>So PNAs have their merits, I also thought so a while ago that I wont need a separate PNA anymore, until I was stranded in the "Pampa" low on fuel trying to find the next gas station, and ending up at an end of a road... I then pulled out my PNA and it reliably routed me to the next gas station.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are two problems , first Googles solution needs at least an online connection if you have to move away from the propost road ( rerouting ) while this might be feasable for the USA , in Europe it is not , because you can run into a roaming problem that way , especially if you are outside of your country ( which happens a lot here ) Secondly , most phones simply have lousy GPS receivers , period !
My HTC Hero looses GPS signal as soon as I am in a forest , enter dense fog or similar situations , my Tomtom works reliably in any of those cases.So PNAs have their merits , I also thought so a while ago that I wont need a separate PNA anymore , until I was stranded in the " Pampa " low on fuel trying to find the next gas station , and ending up at an end of a road... I then pulled out my PNA and it reliably routed me to the next gas station .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are two problems, first Googles solution needs at least an online connection if you have to move away from the propost road (rerouting) while this might be feasable for the USA, in Europe it is not, because you can run into a roaming problem that way, especially if you are outside of your country (which happens a lot here)Secondly, most phones simply have lousy GPS receivers, period!
My HTC Hero looses GPS signal as soon as I am in a forest, enter dense fog or similar situations, my Tomtom works reliably in any of those cases.So PNAs have their merits, I also thought so a while ago that I wont need a separate PNA anymore, until I was stranded in the "Pampa" low on fuel trying to find the next gas station, and ending up at an end of a road... I then pulled out my PNA and it reliably routed me to the next gas station.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30856488</id>
	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>stephanruby</author>
	<datestamp>1264096980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should look into <a href="http://iphone.tomtom.com/" title="tomtom.com">TomTom</a> [tomtom.com] for the iPhone (it's sold as a car kit + an iPhone app). It's more expensive than a standalone gps (since the low end gps units can now be seen on sale for $80 or less), but the combined integration makes it far superior and far more usable than any top-of-the-line standalone gps device (in my opinion).</p><p>The car kit solves the problem of the battery life (with your iPhone being on for so long). It also has an external speaker and a mic, plus it pipes in your iPhone music to your stereo. The integration allows you to listen to music and get it muted when you receive a phone call, or get audio traffic alerts/directions/red light camera alerts. It also integrates nicely into your existing address book (and your web browser). </p><p>Damn, I sound like a TomTom shill (which I'm not). I just did the research to buy this for a relative. Just take a look at its customer reviews on iTunes. They're not stellar, but they're still pretty good. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should look into TomTom [ tomtom.com ] for the iPhone ( it 's sold as a car kit + an iPhone app ) .
It 's more expensive than a standalone gps ( since the low end gps units can now be seen on sale for $ 80 or less ) , but the combined integration makes it far superior and far more usable than any top-of-the-line standalone gps device ( in my opinion ) .The car kit solves the problem of the battery life ( with your iPhone being on for so long ) .
It also has an external speaker and a mic , plus it pipes in your iPhone music to your stereo .
The integration allows you to listen to music and get it muted when you receive a phone call , or get audio traffic alerts/directions/red light camera alerts .
It also integrates nicely into your existing address book ( and your web browser ) .
Damn , I sound like a TomTom shill ( which I 'm not ) .
I just did the research to buy this for a relative .
Just take a look at its customer reviews on iTunes .
They 're not stellar , but they 're still pretty good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should look into TomTom [tomtom.com] for the iPhone (it's sold as a car kit + an iPhone app).
It's more expensive than a standalone gps (since the low end gps units can now be seen on sale for $80 or less), but the combined integration makes it far superior and far more usable than any top-of-the-line standalone gps device (in my opinion).The car kit solves the problem of the battery life (with your iPhone being on for so long).
It also has an external speaker and a mic, plus it pipes in your iPhone music to your stereo.
The integration allows you to listen to music and get it muted when you receive a phone call, or get audio traffic alerts/directions/red light camera alerts.
It also integrates nicely into your existing address book (and your web browser).
Damn, I sound like a TomTom shill (which I'm not).
I just did the research to buy this for a relative.
Just take a look at its customer reviews on iTunes.
They're not stellar, but they're still pretty good. </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30861820</id>
	<title>Re:What about live traffic updates</title>
	<author>berashith</author>
	<datestamp>1264188240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>people throw rocks from bridges into oncoming traffic, get over it.<br>people fire guns randomly in crowded cities, get over it.<br>people spit in your food at restaurants, get over it .</p><p>this is fun.</p><p>I would prefer that people not to do things that can actually harm me out of negligence.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>people throw rocks from bridges into oncoming traffic , get over it.people fire guns randomly in crowded cities , get over it.people spit in your food at restaurants , get over it .this is fun.I would prefer that people not to do things that can actually harm me out of negligence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>people throw rocks from bridges into oncoming traffic, get over it.people fire guns randomly in crowded cities, get over it.people spit in your food at restaurants, get over it .this is fun.I would prefer that people not to do things that can actually harm me out of negligence.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855188</id>
	<title>Re:Standalone GPS</title>
	<author>Idbar</author>
	<datestamp>1264084740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>iPhones are not good at navigation yet, I own one, and have lots of problems. I've seen HTC tilt running TomTom software and is good, but hangs sometimes. My girlfriend bought an E75, and despite of some normal issues like thinking I'm on a parallel road, the effectiveness of their system has been, to me one the best among those I tried.<br> <br>
I differ about a previous comment of not buying another stand alone in my life, as I appreciate photography and cellphones cameras are far from a stand alone one. Nokia has been doing a good work also there (Pictures of my iPhone suck real bad compared to my girlfriend's E75).</htmltext>
<tokenext>iPhones are not good at navigation yet , I own one , and have lots of problems .
I 've seen HTC tilt running TomTom software and is good , but hangs sometimes .
My girlfriend bought an E75 , and despite of some normal issues like thinking I 'm on a parallel road , the effectiveness of their system has been , to me one the best among those I tried .
I differ about a previous comment of not buying another stand alone in my life , as I appreciate photography and cellphones cameras are far from a stand alone one .
Nokia has been doing a good work also there ( Pictures of my iPhone suck real bad compared to my girlfriend 's E75 ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iPhones are not good at navigation yet, I own one, and have lots of problems.
I've seen HTC tilt running TomTom software and is good, but hangs sometimes.
My girlfriend bought an E75, and despite of some normal issues like thinking I'm on a parallel road, the effectiveness of their system has been, to me one the best among those I tried.
I differ about a previous comment of not buying another stand alone in my life, as I appreciate photography and cellphones cameras are far from a stand alone one.
Nokia has been doing a good work also there (Pictures of my iPhone suck real bad compared to my girlfriend's E75).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854590</id>
	<title>Sprint + WebOS +GPS is already "free"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264080600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Please note that the Palm Pre and Pixi (WebOS) already has "free" navigation.  The base Sprint dataplan (unlike Verizon) for those phones includes turn-by-turn Sprint navigation at no extra cost (Verizon is $10/mo more, I believe for that feature and that is on top of the service plan already $20 beings per month than Sprint when you include unlimited text messaging. Sprint also has free mobile to ANY mobile communication, and better nights/weekends.)

My point is, although it is not "stand alone" navigation, it is essentially already free with the above combination.  And coverage is very good.  Unless users are way out in nowhere, those users already have most all of the same features of a stand-alone GPS.  So although the Nokia news is interesting, it is not quite as "fantastic" as some might think.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please note that the Palm Pre and Pixi ( WebOS ) already has " free " navigation .
The base Sprint dataplan ( unlike Verizon ) for those phones includes turn-by-turn Sprint navigation at no extra cost ( Verizon is $ 10/mo more , I believe for that feature and that is on top of the service plan already $ 20 beings per month than Sprint when you include unlimited text messaging .
Sprint also has free mobile to ANY mobile communication , and better nights/weekends .
) My point is , although it is not " stand alone " navigation , it is essentially already free with the above combination .
And coverage is very good .
Unless users are way out in nowhere , those users already have most all of the same features of a stand-alone GPS .
So although the Nokia news is interesting , it is not quite as " fantastic " as some might think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please note that the Palm Pre and Pixi (WebOS) already has "free" navigation.
The base Sprint dataplan (unlike Verizon) for those phones includes turn-by-turn Sprint navigation at no extra cost (Verizon is $10/mo more, I believe for that feature and that is on top of the service plan already $20 beings per month than Sprint when you include unlimited text messaging.
Sprint also has free mobile to ANY mobile communication, and better nights/weekends.
)

My point is, although it is not "stand alone" navigation, it is essentially already free with the above combination.
And coverage is very good.
Unless users are way out in nowhere, those users already have most all of the same features of a stand-alone GPS.
So although the Nokia news is interesting, it is not quite as "fantastic" as some might think.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30857128</id>
	<title>Re:Offline is less important than real-time update</title>
	<author>Fluffy Bunnies</author>
	<datestamp>1264191780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you are talking about cars, why would you run the phone, or a dedicated gps unit for that matter, on batteries?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are talking about cars , why would you run the phone , or a dedicated gps unit for that matter , on batteries ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are talking about cars, why would you run the phone, or a dedicated gps unit for that matter, on batteries?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855170</id>
	<title>Re:Apple, Not Nokia Is The Leader</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1264084620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed - everyone knows the only useful measure here of market success is "Which company gets more market share on Slashdot front page?"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed - everyone knows the only useful measure here of market success is " Which company gets more market share on Slashdot front page ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed - everyone knows the only useful measure here of market success is "Which company gets more market share on Slashdot front page?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30856584</id>
	<title>Re:Standalone GPS</title>
	<author>tpwch</author>
	<datestamp>1264098060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have this waterproof casing for my N800: <a href="http://www.otterbox.com/handheld-pda-cases/2600-series/2600-series-pda-case/" title="otterbox.com">http://www.otterbox.com/handheld-pda-cases/2600-series/2600-series-pda-case/</a> [otterbox.com] <br>
<br>
Waterproof up to one meter, and it floats so no worries about loosing it in the water. Also shock resistant and crush resistant. I bought it many years ago for the palm I've used then, and I was happy to see that the N800 was also usable in it. I hope the N900 is as well since I plan on getting one at some point, but it should be, since its about the same size.<br>
<br>
I use my N800 as a GPS outside sometimes, and use this so I don't have to worry about dropping it in a moist terrain or if it starts raining. I also use it for reading ebooks when taking a bath.<br>
<br>
So a smartphone/pda doesn't have to be unusable in conditions like the ones you describe. Altough I'm not sure if you could make phonecalls while its inside the shield, it might block the sound waves too much. Touchscreen devices work great on it, since one side has a soft transparent plastic film over where the screen is. Buttons on the front work well trough it too. Buttons on the side or top are not reachable however.<br>
<br>
I did some tests with mine, among other things leaving it at the bottom of my bathtub for 24 hours with something heavy on it to make it stay at the bottom. No moisture got in.<br>
<br>
So pdas/smartphones aren't necceserily useless in the conditions you describe, you just have to have the right gear for it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have this waterproof casing for my N800 : http : //www.otterbox.com/handheld-pda-cases/2600-series/2600-series-pda-case/ [ otterbox.com ] Waterproof up to one meter , and it floats so no worries about loosing it in the water .
Also shock resistant and crush resistant .
I bought it many years ago for the palm I 've used then , and I was happy to see that the N800 was also usable in it .
I hope the N900 is as well since I plan on getting one at some point , but it should be , since its about the same size .
I use my N800 as a GPS outside sometimes , and use this so I do n't have to worry about dropping it in a moist terrain or if it starts raining .
I also use it for reading ebooks when taking a bath .
So a smartphone/pda does n't have to be unusable in conditions like the ones you describe .
Altough I 'm not sure if you could make phonecalls while its inside the shield , it might block the sound waves too much .
Touchscreen devices work great on it , since one side has a soft transparent plastic film over where the screen is .
Buttons on the front work well trough it too .
Buttons on the side or top are not reachable however .
I did some tests with mine , among other things leaving it at the bottom of my bathtub for 24 hours with something heavy on it to make it stay at the bottom .
No moisture got in .
So pdas/smartphones are n't necceserily useless in the conditions you describe , you just have to have the right gear for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have this waterproof casing for my N800: http://www.otterbox.com/handheld-pda-cases/2600-series/2600-series-pda-case/ [otterbox.com] 

Waterproof up to one meter, and it floats so no worries about loosing it in the water.
Also shock resistant and crush resistant.
I bought it many years ago for the palm I've used then, and I was happy to see that the N800 was also usable in it.
I hope the N900 is as well since I plan on getting one at some point, but it should be, since its about the same size.
I use my N800 as a GPS outside sometimes, and use this so I don't have to worry about dropping it in a moist terrain or if it starts raining.
I also use it for reading ebooks when taking a bath.
So a smartphone/pda doesn't have to be unusable in conditions like the ones you describe.
Altough I'm not sure if you could make phonecalls while its inside the shield, it might block the sound waves too much.
Touchscreen devices work great on it, since one side has a soft transparent plastic film over where the screen is.
Buttons on the front work well trough it too.
Buttons on the side or top are not reachable however.
I did some tests with mine, among other things leaving it at the bottom of my bathtub for 24 hours with something heavy on it to make it stay at the bottom.
No moisture got in.
So pdas/smartphones aren't necceserily useless in the conditions you describe, you just have to have the right gear for it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30856664</id>
	<title>Corrections</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1264099080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Your GPS doesn't get traffic data.</i></p><p>Google Maps on the iPhone can enable traffic overlays.</p><p>The free app "Waze" (also made for other mobile platforms) displays crowdsourced traffic, police, and accident indicators.</p><p>Of course I did actually spring for the TomTom app, which also gets traffic...</p><p><i>Your camera has a horribly small lens and is good only for taking 4x6 photos.</i></p><p>I would argue that's true of most small cameras.  The iPhone is OK for what it is, I have a real compact camera (Sigma DP2) for real images.  So on this point I agree with you more than him, except I think you could go a bit larger than 4x6.</p><p><i>Your watch can't be kept with you while doing anything active.</i></p><p>I'm not sure why you think that considering I take mine to the gym or while running or... pretty much anything.  I don't even use a special case, but there are quite a lot of sports cases for the iPhone, even totally waterproof ones...</p><p><i>Your document scanner is horrible quality.</i></p><p>Now actually that is not at all true.  The 3G camera, could not really close focus and was marginal for scanning.  The 3Gs camera is perfectly fine for scanning, you could easily capture a readable page of any paperback book.</p><p><i>Your portable game console is limited by having touchscreen only and no physical controls.</i></p><p>You have forgotten that movement is a physical control and that a touchscreen is an infinite number of buttons.</p><p><i>Using your mp3 player/video player (and any of the above) will deplete your phone battery so you can't receive calls.</i></p><p>So you either get a battery case or you just recharge it in the evening - if you listen to music all day long you will not run down an iPhone, although video will after several hours.  But again, external battery (which is just as small as a replaceable battery for other phones so the whole user-accessed battery point is totally moot).</p><p><i>I get that it may work for you, but there's a good market for standalone devices for a reason.</i></p><p>Right, because there are a few people still left who don't get the benefits yet.</p><p>Stand alone GPS is deader than doornails, standalone audio-only close behind.  The other categories have reasons why we'll continue to see dedicated devices that are better, though personally I'm not sure if dedicated portable game players will not see huge dropoffs in market share over the next few years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your GPS does n't get traffic data.Google Maps on the iPhone can enable traffic overlays.The free app " Waze " ( also made for other mobile platforms ) displays crowdsourced traffic , police , and accident indicators.Of course I did actually spring for the TomTom app , which also gets traffic...Your camera has a horribly small lens and is good only for taking 4x6 photos.I would argue that 's true of most small cameras .
The iPhone is OK for what it is , I have a real compact camera ( Sigma DP2 ) for real images .
So on this point I agree with you more than him , except I think you could go a bit larger than 4x6.Your watch ca n't be kept with you while doing anything active.I 'm not sure why you think that considering I take mine to the gym or while running or... pretty much anything .
I do n't even use a special case , but there are quite a lot of sports cases for the iPhone , even totally waterproof ones...Your document scanner is horrible quality.Now actually that is not at all true .
The 3G camera , could not really close focus and was marginal for scanning .
The 3Gs camera is perfectly fine for scanning , you could easily capture a readable page of any paperback book.Your portable game console is limited by having touchscreen only and no physical controls.You have forgotten that movement is a physical control and that a touchscreen is an infinite number of buttons.Using your mp3 player/video player ( and any of the above ) will deplete your phone battery so you ca n't receive calls.So you either get a battery case or you just recharge it in the evening - if you listen to music all day long you will not run down an iPhone , although video will after several hours .
But again , external battery ( which is just as small as a replaceable battery for other phones so the whole user-accessed battery point is totally moot ) .I get that it may work for you , but there 's a good market for standalone devices for a reason.Right , because there are a few people still left who do n't get the benefits yet.Stand alone GPS is deader than doornails , standalone audio-only close behind .
The other categories have reasons why we 'll continue to see dedicated devices that are better , though personally I 'm not sure if dedicated portable game players will not see huge dropoffs in market share over the next few years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your GPS doesn't get traffic data.Google Maps on the iPhone can enable traffic overlays.The free app "Waze" (also made for other mobile platforms) displays crowdsourced traffic, police, and accident indicators.Of course I did actually spring for the TomTom app, which also gets traffic...Your camera has a horribly small lens and is good only for taking 4x6 photos.I would argue that's true of most small cameras.
The iPhone is OK for what it is, I have a real compact camera (Sigma DP2) for real images.
So on this point I agree with you more than him, except I think you could go a bit larger than 4x6.Your watch can't be kept with you while doing anything active.I'm not sure why you think that considering I take mine to the gym or while running or... pretty much anything.
I don't even use a special case, but there are quite a lot of sports cases for the iPhone, even totally waterproof ones...Your document scanner is horrible quality.Now actually that is not at all true.
The 3G camera, could not really close focus and was marginal for scanning.
The 3Gs camera is perfectly fine for scanning, you could easily capture a readable page of any paperback book.Your portable game console is limited by having touchscreen only and no physical controls.You have forgotten that movement is a physical control and that a touchscreen is an infinite number of buttons.Using your mp3 player/video player (and any of the above) will deplete your phone battery so you can't receive calls.So you either get a battery case or you just recharge it in the evening - if you listen to music all day long you will not run down an iPhone, although video will after several hours.
But again, external battery (which is just as small as a replaceable battery for other phones so the whole user-accessed battery point is totally moot).I get that it may work for you, but there's a good market for standalone devices for a reason.Right, because there are a few people still left who don't get the benefits yet.Stand alone GPS is deader than doornails, standalone audio-only close behind.
The other categories have reasons why we'll continue to see dedicated devices that are better, though personally I'm not sure if dedicated portable game players will not see huge dropoffs in market share over the next few years.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30857682</id>
	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1264158000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Plus, drop your phone in a puddle and you lose your SatNav, compact camera, camcorder, watch, document scanner, portable game console, MP3 player, and the contents of the device all in one go.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Plus , drop your phone in a puddle and you lose your SatNav , compact camera , camcorder , watch , document scanner , portable game console , MP3 player , and the contents of the device all in one go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plus, drop your phone in a puddle and you lose your SatNav, compact camera, camcorder, watch, document scanner, portable game console, MP3 player, and the contents of the device all in one go.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855352</id>
	<title>Re:Outdated</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264085880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The problem is, will Nokia keep on updating their free directions?"</p><p>FUD.  That's like asking will Google keep making map access free?  Will Google continue to update their data?  Your "problem" isn't actually one--it's wholly created by you, a hypothetical.  Problem is, a magnitude 10 earthquake could rip through the west US coast, and render both Apple and Google barren companies.</p><p>Like Google, Nokia owns the (rights to the) data.  They bought and own the GPS company whose maps this is based on.  And whose maps other commercial GPS makers use (having an additional revenue source).</p><p>Furthermore, they bought this GPS company outright (Navteq I believe) for the direct reason to offer GPS on their phones so more people will buy their phones, esp. the high end ones.</p><p>"Generally, when you have a large company that seems to be losing money and marketshare left and right they will release a lot of paid things for free in order to not have to update them or maintain them as much as a paid product."</p><p>That's a load of crap.  To you, ANY maneuver a company does to increase their products value which requires money is a losing proposition to you.  That's ridiculous.</p><p>Many companies buy other companies for IP reasons or to increase offerings that their competitors don't have at no cost to the consumer.  Nokia did this to outmaneuver their competitors, including Apple and Google.</p><p>Your analysis is rather outlandish--you are criticizing Nokia for essentially spending money to buy a company that delivered GPS solutions better and faster to market than they did so that they could add it to their product as a \_bad\_ thing.</p><p>What next, if Nokia buys up more Zeiss shares or buys a novel lens designer maker, it's further indication they are going down the wrong path with their digital camera features?  So when Google bought up all those tech companies, they were doing the wrong thing?</p><p>As if.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The problem is , will Nokia keep on updating their free directions ? " FUD .
That 's like asking will Google keep making map access free ?
Will Google continue to update their data ?
Your " problem " is n't actually one--it 's wholly created by you , a hypothetical .
Problem is , a magnitude 10 earthquake could rip through the west US coast , and render both Apple and Google barren companies.Like Google , Nokia owns the ( rights to the ) data .
They bought and own the GPS company whose maps this is based on .
And whose maps other commercial GPS makers use ( having an additional revenue source ) .Furthermore , they bought this GPS company outright ( Navteq I believe ) for the direct reason to offer GPS on their phones so more people will buy their phones , esp .
the high end ones .
" Generally , when you have a large company that seems to be losing money and marketshare left and right they will release a lot of paid things for free in order to not have to update them or maintain them as much as a paid product .
" That 's a load of crap .
To you , ANY maneuver a company does to increase their products value which requires money is a losing proposition to you .
That 's ridiculous.Many companies buy other companies for IP reasons or to increase offerings that their competitors do n't have at no cost to the consumer .
Nokia did this to outmaneuver their competitors , including Apple and Google.Your analysis is rather outlandish--you are criticizing Nokia for essentially spending money to buy a company that delivered GPS solutions better and faster to market than they did so that they could add it to their product as a \ _bad \ _ thing.What next , if Nokia buys up more Zeiss shares or buys a novel lens designer maker , it 's further indication they are going down the wrong path with their digital camera features ?
So when Google bought up all those tech companies , they were doing the wrong thing ? As if .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The problem is, will Nokia keep on updating their free directions?"FUD.
That's like asking will Google keep making map access free?
Will Google continue to update their data?
Your "problem" isn't actually one--it's wholly created by you, a hypothetical.
Problem is, a magnitude 10 earthquake could rip through the west US coast, and render both Apple and Google barren companies.Like Google, Nokia owns the (rights to the) data.
They bought and own the GPS company whose maps this is based on.
And whose maps other commercial GPS makers use (having an additional revenue source).Furthermore, they bought this GPS company outright (Navteq I believe) for the direct reason to offer GPS on their phones so more people will buy their phones, esp.
the high end ones.
"Generally, when you have a large company that seems to be losing money and marketshare left and right they will release a lot of paid things for free in order to not have to update them or maintain them as much as a paid product.
"That's a load of crap.
To you, ANY maneuver a company does to increase their products value which requires money is a losing proposition to you.
That's ridiculous.Many companies buy other companies for IP reasons or to increase offerings that their competitors don't have at no cost to the consumer.
Nokia did this to outmaneuver their competitors, including Apple and Google.Your analysis is rather outlandish--you are criticizing Nokia for essentially spending money to buy a company that delivered GPS solutions better and faster to market than they did so that they could add it to their product as a \_bad\_ thing.What next, if Nokia buys up more Zeiss shares or buys a novel lens designer maker, it's further indication they are going down the wrong path with their digital camera features?
So when Google bought up all those tech companies, they were doing the wrong thing?As if.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30856122</id>
	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1264092960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Your GPS doesn't get traffic data.</i></p><p>The iPhone? Yah it does, in my city at least. (Seattle.)</p><p>Not to dispute your point, but it would help your point if you actually made sure your examples were correct.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your GPS does n't get traffic data.The iPhone ?
Yah it does , in my city at least .
( Seattle. ) Not to dispute your point , but it would help your point if you actually made sure your examples were correct .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your GPS doesn't get traffic data.The iPhone?
Yah it does, in my city at least.
(Seattle.)Not to dispute your point, but it would help your point if you actually made sure your examples were correct.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854578</id>
	<title>Re:Outdated</title>
	<author>ickleberry</author>
	<datestamp>1264080540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>They will start charging for it when, and if they think they can get away with it. If there is no decent free alternative and they have a good market share they will most likely start to charge for it.<br> <br>

This is why its important to keep projects like <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/" title="openstreetmap.org">http://www.openstreetmap.org/</a> [openstreetmap.org] going, even if just to keep them on their toes</htmltext>
<tokenext>They will start charging for it when , and if they think they can get away with it .
If there is no decent free alternative and they have a good market share they will most likely start to charge for it .
This is why its important to keep projects like http : //www.openstreetmap.org/ [ openstreetmap.org ] going , even if just to keep them on their toes</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They will start charging for it when, and if they think they can get away with it.
If there is no decent free alternative and they have a good market share they will most likely start to charge for it.
This is why its important to keep projects like http://www.openstreetmap.org/ [openstreetmap.org] going, even if just to keep them on their toes</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855022</id>
	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264083420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For the record, as a camera the iphone sucks. Actually every phone sucks, compared to even the most basic compacts you can buy today. Even your SE handset or your 12MB phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the record , as a camera the iphone sucks .
Actually every phone sucks , compared to even the most basic compacts you can buy today .
Even your SE handset or your 12MB phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the record, as a camera the iphone sucks.
Actually every phone sucks, compared to even the most basic compacts you can buy today.
Even your SE handset or your 12MB phone.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854386</id>
	<title>Undercutting the market?</title>
	<author>Amorymeltzer</author>
	<datestamp>1264079400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I'm all for this (because what guy doesn't want free GPS on his phone?) isn't there an aspect of it that paints Nokia as essentially undercutting the entire GPS market?  The leader in smartphones is now offering a product for free - am I wrong in thinking that there's something not so nice in relation to the market going on there?  I'm thinking of a cross between Microsoft and steel dumping.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I 'm all for this ( because what guy does n't want free GPS on his phone ?
) is n't there an aspect of it that paints Nokia as essentially undercutting the entire GPS market ?
The leader in smartphones is now offering a product for free - am I wrong in thinking that there 's something not so nice in relation to the market going on there ?
I 'm thinking of a cross between Microsoft and steel dumping .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I'm all for this (because what guy doesn't want free GPS on his phone?
) isn't there an aspect of it that paints Nokia as essentially undercutting the entire GPS market?
The leader in smartphones is now offering a product for free - am I wrong in thinking that there's something not so nice in relation to the market going on there?
I'm thinking of a cross between Microsoft and steel dumping.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854408</id>
	<title>Re:Offline GPS?</title>
	<author>AuMatar</author>
	<datestamp>1264079520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apparently not that much, since they already fit in a GPS device.  I'm pretty sure my Garmin doesn't have a huge multi-gig flash drive, as old as it is.  Not to mention they could just cache-  most people don't travel more than 100 miles frequently, they could download the area where you're at on first use, then update it if and only if you move twoards the edges of that zone (basically in ral time for a long car ride, after landing for an airplane).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently not that much , since they already fit in a GPS device .
I 'm pretty sure my Garmin does n't have a huge multi-gig flash drive , as old as it is .
Not to mention they could just cache- most people do n't travel more than 100 miles frequently , they could download the area where you 're at on first use , then update it if and only if you move twoards the edges of that zone ( basically in ral time for a long car ride , after landing for an airplane ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently not that much, since they already fit in a GPS device.
I'm pretty sure my Garmin doesn't have a huge multi-gig flash drive, as old as it is.
Not to mention they could just cache-  most people don't travel more than 100 miles frequently, they could download the area where you're at on first use, then update it if and only if you move twoards the edges of that zone (basically in ral time for a long car ride, after landing for an airplane).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854810</id>
	<title>Re:Undercutting the market?</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1264081740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GPS apps have been insanely overpriced.  There was maybe justification for paying $100 for an actual GPS receiver and dedicated computer plus software, but charing $100 for some map data and a simple app to display it was never going to be a tenable practice.  The navigation companies milked their hardware for a few years and got to milk their software for a year or so.  Now they're going to have to compete.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GPS apps have been insanely overpriced .
There was maybe justification for paying $ 100 for an actual GPS receiver and dedicated computer plus software , but charing $ 100 for some map data and a simple app to display it was never going to be a tenable practice .
The navigation companies milked their hardware for a few years and got to milk their software for a year or so .
Now they 're going to have to compete .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GPS apps have been insanely overpriced.
There was maybe justification for paying $100 for an actual GPS receiver and dedicated computer plus software, but charing $100 for some map data and a simple app to display it was never going to be a tenable practice.
The navigation companies milked their hardware for a few years and got to milk their software for a year or so.
Now they're going to have to compete.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855682</id>
	<title>Objection!!</title>
	<author>ikarigullwing</author>
	<datestamp>1264088880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Problem is that I see Nokia playing Catchup with Google and the Android OS.

Then again, Nokia still doesn't instill the greatest of confidence in me when it comes to innovation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Problem is that I see Nokia playing Catchup with Google and the Android OS .
Then again , Nokia still does n't instill the greatest of confidence in me when it comes to innovation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Problem is that I see Nokia playing Catchup with Google and the Android OS.
Then again, Nokia still doesn't instill the greatest of confidence in me when it comes to innovation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30868800</id>
	<title>Uhhh.. no.</title>
	<author>RichiH</author>
	<datestamp>1264252860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; I am sure it will not take more than 2 years for a feature in my phone to beat the standalone device in features/functionality</p><p>Obviously not true for:</p><p>- compact camera.<br>- camcorder.<br>- document scanner<br>- portable game console</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I am sure it will not take more than 2 years for a feature in my phone to beat the standalone device in features/functionalityObviously not true for : - compact camera.- camcorder.- document scanner- portable game console</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; I am sure it will not take more than 2 years for a feature in my phone to beat the standalone device in features/functionalityObviously not true for:- compact camera.- camcorder.- document scanner- portable game console</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30856680</id>
	<title>Re:Standalone GPS</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1264099200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I own an openmoko and my wife owns an HTC Magic, running android. I know five or so people who own iPhones. I am yet to see a device which can replace my Garmin etrex.</i></p><p>Why?  You can get quite a lot of standalone GPS apps now that download topo maps and can set waypoints, track movement to upload to logs, and so on.</p><p><i>I regularly attach the garmin to the deck of my sea kayak and dunk it in the ocean. I don't plan on doing that to a smart phone.</i></p><p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&amp;rls=en&amp;q=iPhone+waterproof+case&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8" title="google.com">Why not?</a> [google.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I own an openmoko and my wife owns an HTC Magic , running android .
I know five or so people who own iPhones .
I am yet to see a device which can replace my Garmin etrex.Why ?
You can get quite a lot of standalone GPS apps now that download topo maps and can set waypoints , track movement to upload to logs , and so on.I regularly attach the garmin to the deck of my sea kayak and dunk it in the ocean .
I do n't plan on doing that to a smart phone.Why not ?
[ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I own an openmoko and my wife owns an HTC Magic, running android.
I know five or so people who own iPhones.
I am yet to see a device which can replace my Garmin etrex.Why?
You can get quite a lot of standalone GPS apps now that download topo maps and can set waypoints, track movement to upload to logs, and so on.I regularly attach the garmin to the deck of my sea kayak and dunk it in the ocean.
I don't plan on doing that to a smart phone.Why not?
[google.com]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Sprint + WebOS +GPS is already "free"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264081860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not everyone lives in the U.S., it is fantastic for a lot of people, specially those who already own one of the affected devices.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not everyone lives in the U.S. , it is fantastic for a lot of people , specially those who already own one of the affected devices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not everyone lives in the U.S., it is fantastic for a lot of people, specially those who already own one of the affected devices.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30857668</id>
	<title>Re:Sprint + WebOS +GPS is already "free"</title>
	<author>js\_sebastian</author>
	<datestamp>1264157700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Please note that the Palm Pre and Pixi (WebOS) already has "free" navigation.  The base Sprint dataplan (unlike Verizon) for those phones includes turn-by-turn Sprint navigation at no extra cost (Verizon is $10/mo more, I believe for that feature and that is on top of the service plan already $20 beings per month than Sprint when you include unlimited text messaging. Sprint also has free mobile to ANY mobile communication, and better nights/weekends.)</p></div><p>Navigation that only works when you are not in roaming is mostly useless for anyone who travels internationally. Or does your sprint thing work if you are on another continent?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please note that the Palm Pre and Pixi ( WebOS ) already has " free " navigation .
The base Sprint dataplan ( unlike Verizon ) for those phones includes turn-by-turn Sprint navigation at no extra cost ( Verizon is $ 10/mo more , I believe for that feature and that is on top of the service plan already $ 20 beings per month than Sprint when you include unlimited text messaging .
Sprint also has free mobile to ANY mobile communication , and better nights/weekends .
) Navigation that only works when you are not in roaming is mostly useless for anyone who travels internationally .
Or does your sprint thing work if you are on another continent ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please note that the Palm Pre and Pixi (WebOS) already has "free" navigation.
The base Sprint dataplan (unlike Verizon) for those phones includes turn-by-turn Sprint navigation at no extra cost (Verizon is $10/mo more, I believe for that feature and that is on top of the service plan already $20 beings per month than Sprint when you include unlimited text messaging.
Sprint also has free mobile to ANY mobile communication, and better nights/weekends.
)Navigation that only works when you are not in roaming is mostly useless for anyone who travels internationally.
Or does your sprint thing work if you are on another continent?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855400</id>
	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1264086540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Your GPS doesn't get traffic data.</p></div><p>Yes it does.  My standalone GPS (magellan)  on the other hand, doesn't.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Your camera has a horribly small lens and is good only for taking 4x6 photos.<br>Your watch can't be kept with you while doing anything active.<br>Your document scanner is horrible quality.<br>Your portable game console is limited by having touchscreen only and no physical controls.</p></div><p>All of these features are better (read: PRESENT) in the phone and not in the GPS.  Also, all of the devices I have which individually do those other things do everything else much worse.</p><p>And I usually don't bring all those things with me wherever I go.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your GPS does n't get traffic data.Yes it does .
My standalone GPS ( magellan ) on the other hand , does n't.Your camera has a horribly small lens and is good only for taking 4x6 photos.Your watch ca n't be kept with you while doing anything active.Your document scanner is horrible quality.Your portable game console is limited by having touchscreen only and no physical controls.All of these features are better ( read : PRESENT ) in the phone and not in the GPS .
Also , all of the devices I have which individually do those other things do everything else much worse.And I usually do n't bring all those things with me wherever I go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your GPS doesn't get traffic data.Yes it does.
My standalone GPS (magellan)  on the other hand, doesn't.Your camera has a horribly small lens and is good only for taking 4x6 photos.Your watch can't be kept with you while doing anything active.Your document scanner is horrible quality.Your portable game console is limited by having touchscreen only and no physical controls.All of these features are better (read: PRESENT) in the phone and not in the GPS.
Also, all of the devices I have which individually do those other things do everything else much worse.And I usually don't bring all those things with me wherever I go.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855346</id>
	<title>Hate to tell you...</title>
	<author>blue l0g1c</author>
	<datestamp>1264085880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your $500 iPhone would never replace my $30 refurbed Sansa e260 with rockbox installed.  It plays more formats, is smaller, runs longer, and I don't have to take out an insurance policy for it if I want to take it biking.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your $ 500 iPhone would never replace my $ 30 refurbed Sansa e260 with rockbox installed .
It plays more formats , is smaller , runs longer , and I do n't have to take out an insurance policy for it if I want to take it biking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your $500 iPhone would never replace my $30 refurbed Sansa e260 with rockbox installed.
It plays more formats, is smaller, runs longer, and I don't have to take out an insurance policy for it if I want to take it biking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30856206</id>
	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>vonux</author>
	<datestamp>1264093680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><ul>
<li>Better accuracy (phones probably won't need to ever be as accurate)</li><li>Smaller / more durable</li></ul></div><p>There are some things my Garmin eTrex does better than my Nokia E66, but the eTrex is twice the volume and unlike the E66 doesn't get a fix indoors.

I also absolutely love the ability of my phone to determine my position within a couple of seconds from "cold", using A-GPS. Nice when I'm checking out a new city by foot.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Better accuracy ( phones probably wo n't need to ever be as accurate ) Smaller / more durableThere are some things my Garmin eTrex does better than my Nokia E66 , but the eTrex is twice the volume and unlike the E66 does n't get a fix indoors .
I also absolutely love the ability of my phone to determine my position within a couple of seconds from " cold " , using A-GPS .
Nice when I 'm checking out a new city by foot .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Better accuracy (phones probably won't need to ever be as accurate)Smaller / more durableThere are some things my Garmin eTrex does better than my Nokia E66, but the eTrex is twice the volume and unlike the E66 doesn't get a fix indoors.
I also absolutely love the ability of my phone to determine my position within a couple of seconds from "cold", using A-GPS.
Nice when I'm checking out a new city by foot.
:)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30862286</id>
	<title>Re:Offline GPS?</title>
	<author>GPLHost-Thomas</author>
	<datestamp>1264191060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What you are asking for is perfectly possible. Back in 2000 / 2001, I was doing this on a small Windows CE device. We were downloading ONCE a "corridor" of electronic maps, with enough data so you could do 3 mistakes and still get back on your track. So, through away your google c**p, its lagging 8 years behind what my colleagues wrote in 2001 !<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>What you are asking for is perfectly possible .
Back in 2000 / 2001 , I was doing this on a small Windows CE device .
We were downloading ONCE a " corridor " of electronic maps , with enough data so you could do 3 mistakes and still get back on your track .
So , through away your google c * * p , its lagging 8 years behind what my colleagues wrote in 2001 !
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you are asking for is perfectly possible.
Back in 2000 / 2001, I was doing this on a small Windows CE device.
We were downloading ONCE a "corridor" of electronic maps, with enough data so you could do 3 mistakes and still get back on your track.
So, through away your google c**p, its lagging 8 years behind what my colleagues wrote in 2001 !
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855650</id>
	<title>not real navitagion...</title>
	<author>ltcdata</author>
	<datestamp>1264088580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not a real offline gps mode. Only the maps.
For the navigation you still need to buy de licenses.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not a real offline gps mode .
Only the maps .
For the navigation you still need to buy de licenses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not a real offline gps mode.
Only the maps.
For the navigation you still need to buy de licenses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30858006</id>
	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264162560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When iPhone came out with free navigation, even if Garmin is a lot better, I concluded that I will never buy a standalone:<br>- GPS navigator</p></div><p>My thoughts exactly, before I realized that phones barely runs couple of hours battery powered, let alone 2 days with gps constantly turned on. And then I bought a garmin.</p><p>Let's hope that you're right with that 2-3 years and things will improve.</p><p>(and yes I carry my D70 too, maybe couple of years more and there's something less heavy to replace it..)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When iPhone came out with free navigation , even if Garmin is a lot better , I concluded that I will never buy a standalone : - GPS navigatorMy thoughts exactly , before I realized that phones barely runs couple of hours battery powered , let alone 2 days with gps constantly turned on .
And then I bought a garmin.Let 's hope that you 're right with that 2-3 years and things will improve .
( and yes I carry my D70 too , maybe couple of years more and there 's something less heavy to replace it.. )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When iPhone came out with free navigation, even if Garmin is a lot better, I concluded that I will never buy a standalone:- GPS navigatorMy thoughts exactly, before I realized that phones barely runs couple of hours battery powered, let alone 2 days with gps constantly turned on.
And then I bought a garmin.Let's hope that you're right with that 2-3 years and things will improve.
(and yes I carry my D70 too, maybe couple of years more and there's something less heavy to replace it..)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854192</id>
	<title>Navigation on Nokia phones works very well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264078320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My experience has so far been rather positive. Even an old N82 is an adequate replacement for a dedicated GPS, IMHO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My experience has so far been rather positive .
Even an old N82 is an adequate replacement for a dedicated GPS , IMHO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My experience has so far been rather positive.
Even an old N82 is an adequate replacement for a dedicated GPS, IMHO.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30855526</id>
	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264087620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I can see most of those, a watch I cannot see. It takes much longer to pull your phone out of your pocket or holster to check the time than to just glance at your wrist. I mean sure, a phone beats a pocket watch, but pocket watches went away a long time ago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I can see most of those , a watch I can not see .
It takes much longer to pull your phone out of your pocket or holster to check the time than to just glance at your wrist .
I mean sure , a phone beats a pocket watch , but pocket watches went away a long time ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I can see most of those, a watch I cannot see.
It takes much longer to pull your phone out of your pocket or holster to check the time than to just glance at your wrist.
I mean sure, a phone beats a pocket watch, but pocket watches went away a long time ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854272</id>
	<title>What about live traffic updates</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264078740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recently drove from Portland OR to SF BayArea and was re-routed around traffic backups while in transit.  This was with the TomTom Live system. Will phone based GPS apps do that and let me talk on the phone?  I don't get this rush to put everything in a phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently drove from Portland OR to SF BayArea and was re-routed around traffic backups while in transit .
This was with the TomTom Live system .
Will phone based GPS apps do that and let me talk on the phone ?
I do n't get this rush to put everything in a phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently drove from Portland OR to SF BayArea and was re-routed around traffic backups while in transit.
This was with the TomTom Live system.
Will phone based GPS apps do that and let me talk on the phone?
I don't get this rush to put everything in a phone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30861758</id>
	<title>Re:My e71 already does this</title>
	<author>hazydave</author>
	<datestamp>1264187760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Never used an Android phone, have you? Thought not... it does all that. And no need to dock to a PC of any flavor, ever. You can if you want (shows up as a USB storage device).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Never used an Android phone , have you ?
Thought not... it does all that .
And no need to dock to a PC of any flavor , ever .
You can if you want ( shows up as a USB storage device ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never used an Android phone, have you?
Thought not... it does all that.
And no need to dock to a PC of any flavor, ever.
You can if you want (shows up as a USB storage device).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30856302</id>
	<title>Re:Undercutting the market?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264094820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On the other hand, I <em>would</em> feel bad to pay nothing for map data that is constantly updated by a team of people working all day long.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On the other hand , I would feel bad to pay nothing for map data that is constantly updated by a team of people working all day long .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the other hand, I would feel bad to pay nothing for map data that is constantly updated by a team of people working all day long.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854732</id>
	<title>Re:Navigation on Nokia phones works very well</title>
	<author>mnmn</author>
	<datestamp>1264081260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah but does it have an aviation sixpack?<br>The aviation screen is just software, but Garmin charges an arm and a leg for it. It would be great to have a rough altimeter, airspeed indicator along with the map as a backup while up there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah but does it have an aviation sixpack ? The aviation screen is just software , but Garmin charges an arm and a leg for it .
It would be great to have a rough altimeter , airspeed indicator along with the map as a backup while up there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah but does it have an aviation sixpack?The aviation screen is just software, but Garmin charges an arm and a leg for it.
It would be great to have a rough altimeter, airspeed indicator along with the map as a backup while up there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30856660</id>
	<title>Re:Offline GPS?</title>
	<author>stephanruby</author>
	<datestamp>1264098960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, Nokia can cache the files. After all, it owns the NavTeq, and NavTeq has the maps in vector format. </p><p>That being said, Google Maps doesn't allow you to cache the maps for too long. I don't remember the exact terms, but you'll have to look at them (they're in the terms of services for the developers using the google maps api). Also, Google doesn't actually own its own maps right now (I'm sure it could negotiate a better licensing deal, or try to buy the company that owns those maps, or perhaps as a developer -- one could negotiate a special deal with the map supplier). Google's previous supplier was NavTeq, now they're using a different supplier (I forget their name), although maps from both suppliers will still appear on Google Maps.  </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , Nokia can cache the files .
After all , it owns the NavTeq , and NavTeq has the maps in vector format .
That being said , Google Maps does n't allow you to cache the maps for too long .
I do n't remember the exact terms , but you 'll have to look at them ( they 're in the terms of services for the developers using the google maps api ) .
Also , Google does n't actually own its own maps right now ( I 'm sure it could negotiate a better licensing deal , or try to buy the company that owns those maps , or perhaps as a developer -- one could negotiate a special deal with the map supplier ) .
Google 's previous supplier was NavTeq , now they 're using a different supplier ( I forget their name ) , although maps from both suppliers will still appear on Google Maps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, Nokia can cache the files.
After all, it owns the NavTeq, and NavTeq has the maps in vector format.
That being said, Google Maps doesn't allow you to cache the maps for too long.
I don't remember the exact terms, but you'll have to look at them (they're in the terms of services for the developers using the google maps api).
Also, Google doesn't actually own its own maps right now (I'm sure it could negotiate a better licensing deal, or try to buy the company that owns those maps, or perhaps as a developer -- one could negotiate a special deal with the map supplier).
Google's previous supplier was NavTeq, now they're using a different supplier (I forget their name), although maps from both suppliers will still appear on Google Maps.  </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30859632</id>
	<title>Re:Undercutting the market?</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1264176900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't worry, if they're not getting something out of it, they won't do it.</p><p>I don't think that picture is accurate anyway.  A lot of the data is probably handed to them.  They might even be paid to take it in many cases.  If you're somebody with something to sell you're going to want to make sure that your locations are accurately portrayed in people's navigation systems.</p><p>You don't feel bad about getting the Yellow Pages for free, do you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't worry , if they 're not getting something out of it , they wo n't do it.I do n't think that picture is accurate anyway .
A lot of the data is probably handed to them .
They might even be paid to take it in many cases .
If you 're somebody with something to sell you 're going to want to make sure that your locations are accurately portrayed in people 's navigation systems.You do n't feel bad about getting the Yellow Pages for free , do you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't worry, if they're not getting something out of it, they won't do it.I don't think that picture is accurate anyway.
A lot of the data is probably handed to them.
They might even be paid to take it in many cases.
If you're somebody with something to sell you're going to want to make sure that your locations are accurately portrayed in people's navigation systems.You don't feel bad about getting the Yellow Pages for free, do you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30856590</id>
	<title>Re:What about live traffic updates</title>
	<author>stephanruby</author>
	<datestamp>1264098120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, <a href="http://iphone.tomtom.com/" title="tomtom.com">TomTom</a> [tomtom.com] on the iPhone will reroute you around traffic (thought, just like TomTom, TomTom on the iPhone is not free). The same goes for TomTom on Windows Mobile. The Service by Nokia will do the same as well (thought, I've never actually tried it on Nokia, since this announcement of the free service is still pretty fresh, on my Nokia E71 I've been running AmazeGPS in the background to listen to the turn-by-turn directions with Google Latitude/Traffic running on the foreground to look at the traffic flow, both are free applications on Nokia). </p><p>Now, I don't know about Android in general, but from what I've seen on the Nexus One, the turn-by-turn directions are finally done very well. I can only assume that they also include the traffic information in their calculations. With Google Latitude, Google is getting and publishing real-time traffic information everywhere, even on the small roads not normally tracked by the CalTrans (FastTrack) silent sensors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , TomTom [ tomtom.com ] on the iPhone will reroute you around traffic ( thought , just like TomTom , TomTom on the iPhone is not free ) .
The same goes for TomTom on Windows Mobile .
The Service by Nokia will do the same as well ( thought , I 've never actually tried it on Nokia , since this announcement of the free service is still pretty fresh , on my Nokia E71 I 've been running AmazeGPS in the background to listen to the turn-by-turn directions with Google Latitude/Traffic running on the foreground to look at the traffic flow , both are free applications on Nokia ) .
Now , I do n't know about Android in general , but from what I 've seen on the Nexus One , the turn-by-turn directions are finally done very well .
I can only assume that they also include the traffic information in their calculations .
With Google Latitude , Google is getting and publishing real-time traffic information everywhere , even on the small roads not normally tracked by the CalTrans ( FastTrack ) silent sensors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, TomTom [tomtom.com] on the iPhone will reroute you around traffic (thought, just like TomTom, TomTom on the iPhone is not free).
The same goes for TomTom on Windows Mobile.
The Service by Nokia will do the same as well (thought, I've never actually tried it on Nokia, since this announcement of the free service is still pretty fresh, on my Nokia E71 I've been running AmazeGPS in the background to listen to the turn-by-turn directions with Google Latitude/Traffic running on the foreground to look at the traffic flow, both are free applications on Nokia).
Now, I don't know about Android in general, but from what I've seen on the Nexus One, the turn-by-turn directions are finally done very well.
I can only assume that they also include the traffic information in their calculations.
With Google Latitude, Google is getting and publishing real-time traffic information everywhere, even on the small roads not normally tracked by the CalTrans (FastTrack) silent sensors.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854972</id>
	<title>Re:What, no E75 love?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264082880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Available for E72, but not E71.  Grrr.... Nokia!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Available for E72 , but not E71 .
Grrr.... Nokia !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Available for E72, but not E71.
Grrr.... Nokia!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854848</id>
	<title>What, no E75 love?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264081920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just checked and they do not offer it for the E75, one of their pricier, GPS enabled phones.

Man, do I feel like an idiot for buying one now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just checked and they do not offer it for the E75 , one of their pricier , GPS enabled phones .
Man , do I feel like an idiot for buying one now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just checked and they do not offer it for the E75, one of their pricier, GPS enabled phones.
Man, do I feel like an idiot for buying one now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30856614</id>
	<title>Re:pay to use my hardware</title>
	<author>tpwch</author>
	<datestamp>1264098480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You probably don't have to pay to use the hardware. Freeware GPS apps can probably access the GPS fine.<br>
<br>
There are good free maps too. What you have to pay for is probably maps that has built in navigation metadata so it can calculate how you should drive. Those costs a bit more to produce, and those are what nokia are now giving away for free, which is what this story is all about. Which is no different than buying software for a computer, even if you already bought the computer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You probably do n't have to pay to use the hardware .
Freeware GPS apps can probably access the GPS fine .
There are good free maps too .
What you have to pay for is probably maps that has built in navigation metadata so it can calculate how you should drive .
Those costs a bit more to produce , and those are what nokia are now giving away for free , which is what this story is all about .
Which is no different than buying software for a computer , even if you already bought the computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You probably don't have to pay to use the hardware.
Freeware GPS apps can probably access the GPS fine.
There are good free maps too.
What you have to pay for is probably maps that has built in navigation metadata so it can calculate how you should drive.
Those costs a bit more to produce, and those are what nokia are now giving away for free, which is what this story is all about.
Which is no different than buying software for a computer, even if you already bought the computer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30861288</id>
	<title>Re:Standalone GPS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264184880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's not the business that Garmin is going to lose... and it's tiny compared to the mobile phone market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's not the business that Garmin is going to lose... and it 's tiny compared to the mobile phone market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's not the business that Garmin is going to lose... and it's tiny compared to the mobile phone market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30858784</id>
	<title>Re:What, no E75 love?</title>
	<author>jbernardo</author>
	<datestamp>1264172280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How do you think I feel, having a N96? A "flagship" phone that crashes like crazy, which is always the last getting Nokia's new software? And I even bought a yearly GPS license from Nokia...
I thought things would change and it would be better than my previous phone, a K850.
Anyone wants to know which phone I am thinking of buying next, just so you can avoid it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you think I feel , having a N96 ?
A " flagship " phone that crashes like crazy , which is always the last getting Nokia 's new software ?
And I even bought a yearly GPS license from Nokia.. . I thought things would change and it would be better than my previous phone , a K850 .
Anyone wants to know which phone I am thinking of buying next , just so you can avoid it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you think I feel, having a N96?
A "flagship" phone that crashes like crazy, which is always the last getting Nokia's new software?
And I even bought a yearly GPS license from Nokia...
I thought things would change and it would be better than my previous phone, a K850.
Anyone wants to know which phone I am thinking of buying next, just so you can avoid it?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30854488</id>
	<title>Re:Will never buy standalone again.</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1264079940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You forgot "portable porn viewer"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You forgot " portable porn viewer "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You forgot "portable porn viewer"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_2340213.30862688</id>
	<title>Re:My e71 already does this</title>
	<author>GPLHost-Thomas</author>
	<datestamp>1264193400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Man, I dumped my e62 (nearly same as the e71) in the favor of an n900. Frankly, Symbian is c**p compared to Maemo.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Man , I dumped my e62 ( nearly same as the e71 ) in the favor of an n900 .
Frankly , Symbian is c * * p compared to Maemo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man, I dumped my e62 (nearly same as the e71) in the favor of an n900.
Frankly, Symbian is c**p compared to Maemo.</sentencetext>
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