<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_21_1449234</id>
	<title>Jeremy Allison Calls Microsoft Dangerous Elephant</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1264090620000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>oranghutan writes <i>"At the annual Linux.conf.au event being held in Wellington, NZ, one of the lead developers for the Samba Team (and Google employee) Jeremy Allison described Microsoft as '<a href="http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/333351/illuminating\_elephant\_open\_source\_room/">an elephant that needs to be turned</a> to stop it trampling the open source community.' Allison has been an outspoken critic of the vendor since he quit Novell over a deal it did with Microsoft that he saw as dangerous to open source intentions. And now he has evolved his argument to incorporate new case studies to explain why Microsoft's use of patents and its general tactics on free software are harmful.</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>oranghutan writes " At the annual Linux.conf.au event being held in Wellington , NZ , one of the lead developers for the Samba Team ( and Google employee ) Jeremy Allison described Microsoft as 'an elephant that needs to be turned to stop it trampling the open source community .
' Allison has been an outspoken critic of the vendor since he quit Novell over a deal it did with Microsoft that he saw as dangerous to open source intentions .
And now he has evolved his argument to incorporate new case studies to explain why Microsoft 's use of patents and its general tactics on free software are harmful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>oranghutan writes "At the annual Linux.conf.au event being held in Wellington, NZ, one of the lead developers for the Samba Team (and Google employee) Jeremy Allison described Microsoft as 'an elephant that needs to be turned to stop it trampling the open source community.
' Allison has been an outspoken critic of the vendor since he quit Novell over a deal it did with Microsoft that he saw as dangerous to open source intentions.
And now he has evolved his argument to incorporate new case studies to explain why Microsoft's use of patents and its general tactics on free software are harmful.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848192</id>
	<title>Evil Empirical Elephant  on the loose!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264099140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get those trank darts ready Mr Allison<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. I'm afraid your going to need them.  After the Elephant gave you all the SMB protocol documentation you'd ever need its going to sit on you and suck out your nuts through its snout.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get those trank darts ready Mr Allison .. I 'm afraid your going to need them .
After the Elephant gave you all the SMB protocol documentation you 'd ever need its going to sit on you and suck out your nuts through its snout .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get those trank darts ready Mr Allison .. I'm afraid your going to need them.
After the Elephant gave you all the SMB protocol documentation you'd ever need its going to sit on you and suck out your nuts through its snout.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847340</id>
	<title>Well... duh!</title>
	<author>wvmarle</author>
	<datestamp>1264095780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft is a software company, selling proprietary software, with a business model based around lock-in and obscurity on file formats and the like. Open source is the complete opposite of what MS's business model needs. Now obviously MS's business model is (was) a pretty good one considering they got very very rich with it (one of the richest companies in the world, if not the richest). Business wise they're a winner, no contest. Open source is breaking that.
</p><p>Absolute winners for MS are of course Office with their doc format lock-in (slowly being eroded by OOo), and the Windows/Exchange/Outlook combo for which I don't know of any true competitor. Plus the many windows-only games of course. MS needs to keep their sources closed, their standards theirs and theirs alone, and needs to keep competitors out of their network. The network situation is improving but it is still very much everything except Windows talks easily to everything except Windows, and Windows talks easily to Windows alone.
</p><p>When I'm at it, I was thinking of their two most high-profile competitors.
</p><p>Apple: they couldn't care less about open/closed source and will likely go with the wind. Except maybe iTunes but then that contains DRM which requires the closed-source obscurity to not be cracked before it's released. OS-X is largely open-source even. Apple is a hardware company, after all. They make software to sell their hardware.
</p><p>Google. Google appears to love open source: they are all about interoperability. Everyone on the Internet, everything on the Internet, the browser is the platform. Which browser? Chrome, Firefox, IE, Safari? What would they care. Operating system? Irrelevant. Hardware platform? The cheaper the better, whether it's a laptop, phone, desktop or "slate". As long as the device understands standards. And open source is pretty good at exactly that: standards.
</p><p>Yahoo is likely in the Google camp, being an Internet company. Though I don't hear much of any software developments coming from there. And they are quite friendly with Microsoft.
</p><p>Then there is Microsoft's Bing. Gaining market share rapidly, got some positive comments a few stories ago here on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.. Makes me wonder where that stands really, as Bing just needs a standards-compliant browser. I haven't used the site, but I understand from the comments that it is pretty standards-compliant at the moment. And with the current market share of non-IE browsers, they will have to. You can't afford to lose 30\% or so of your market, especially as that 30\% will tell their friends "Bing sucks, doesn't work properly, use Google, that works good". People don't tend to try again later.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft is a software company , selling proprietary software , with a business model based around lock-in and obscurity on file formats and the like .
Open source is the complete opposite of what MS 's business model needs .
Now obviously MS 's business model is ( was ) a pretty good one considering they got very very rich with it ( one of the richest companies in the world , if not the richest ) .
Business wise they 're a winner , no contest .
Open source is breaking that .
Absolute winners for MS are of course Office with their doc format lock-in ( slowly being eroded by OOo ) , and the Windows/Exchange/Outlook combo for which I do n't know of any true competitor .
Plus the many windows-only games of course .
MS needs to keep their sources closed , their standards theirs and theirs alone , and needs to keep competitors out of their network .
The network situation is improving but it is still very much everything except Windows talks easily to everything except Windows , and Windows talks easily to Windows alone .
When I 'm at it , I was thinking of their two most high-profile competitors .
Apple : they could n't care less about open/closed source and will likely go with the wind .
Except maybe iTunes but then that contains DRM which requires the closed-source obscurity to not be cracked before it 's released .
OS-X is largely open-source even .
Apple is a hardware company , after all .
They make software to sell their hardware .
Google. Google appears to love open source : they are all about interoperability .
Everyone on the Internet , everything on the Internet , the browser is the platform .
Which browser ?
Chrome , Firefox , IE , Safari ?
What would they care .
Operating system ?
Irrelevant. Hardware platform ?
The cheaper the better , whether it 's a laptop , phone , desktop or " slate " .
As long as the device understands standards .
And open source is pretty good at exactly that : standards .
Yahoo is likely in the Google camp , being an Internet company .
Though I do n't hear much of any software developments coming from there .
And they are quite friendly with Microsoft .
Then there is Microsoft 's Bing .
Gaining market share rapidly , got some positive comments a few stories ago here on /.. Makes me wonder where that stands really , as Bing just needs a standards-compliant browser .
I have n't used the site , but I understand from the comments that it is pretty standards-compliant at the moment .
And with the current market share of non-IE browsers , they will have to .
You ca n't afford to lose 30 \ % or so of your market , especially as that 30 \ % will tell their friends " Bing sucks , does n't work properly , use Google , that works good " .
People do n't tend to try again later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft is a software company, selling proprietary software, with a business model based around lock-in and obscurity on file formats and the like.
Open source is the complete opposite of what MS's business model needs.
Now obviously MS's business model is (was) a pretty good one considering they got very very rich with it (one of the richest companies in the world, if not the richest).
Business wise they're a winner, no contest.
Open source is breaking that.
Absolute winners for MS are of course Office with their doc format lock-in (slowly being eroded by OOo), and the Windows/Exchange/Outlook combo for which I don't know of any true competitor.
Plus the many windows-only games of course.
MS needs to keep their sources closed, their standards theirs and theirs alone, and needs to keep competitors out of their network.
The network situation is improving but it is still very much everything except Windows talks easily to everything except Windows, and Windows talks easily to Windows alone.
When I'm at it, I was thinking of their two most high-profile competitors.
Apple: they couldn't care less about open/closed source and will likely go with the wind.
Except maybe iTunes but then that contains DRM which requires the closed-source obscurity to not be cracked before it's released.
OS-X is largely open-source even.
Apple is a hardware company, after all.
They make software to sell their hardware.
Google. Google appears to love open source: they are all about interoperability.
Everyone on the Internet, everything on the Internet, the browser is the platform.
Which browser?
Chrome, Firefox, IE, Safari?
What would they care.
Operating system?
Irrelevant. Hardware platform?
The cheaper the better, whether it's a laptop, phone, desktop or "slate".
As long as the device understands standards.
And open source is pretty good at exactly that: standards.
Yahoo is likely in the Google camp, being an Internet company.
Though I don't hear much of any software developments coming from there.
And they are quite friendly with Microsoft.
Then there is Microsoft's Bing.
Gaining market share rapidly, got some positive comments a few stories ago here on /.. Makes me wonder where that stands really, as Bing just needs a standards-compliant browser.
I haven't used the site, but I understand from the comments that it is pretty standards-compliant at the moment.
And with the current market share of non-IE browsers, they will have to.
You can't afford to lose 30\% or so of your market, especially as that 30\% will tell their friends "Bing sucks, doesn't work properly, use Google, that works good".
People don't tend to try again later.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848834</id>
	<title>Turn About IS Fair Play</title>
	<author>b4upoo</author>
	<datestamp>1264102020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>            If Microsoft has deliberately set out to harm open source then the open source community should set out to harm Microsoft. Perhaps a contest could be run with a prize going to the person doing the greatest harm. Hacking, law suits, interesting illegal acts should all be judged for creativity and harm done.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If Microsoft has deliberately set out to harm open source then the open source community should set out to harm Microsoft .
Perhaps a contest could be run with a prize going to the person doing the greatest harm .
Hacking , law suits , interesting illegal acts should all be judged for creativity and harm done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>            If Microsoft has deliberately set out to harm open source then the open source community should set out to harm Microsoft.
Perhaps a contest could be run with a prize going to the person doing the greatest harm.
Hacking, law suits, interesting illegal acts should all be judged for creativity and harm done.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847862</id>
	<title>It's a good description</title>
	<author>HangingChad</author>
	<datestamp>1264097700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr><i>...Allison described Microsoft as 'an elephant that needs to be turned to stop it trampling the open source community</i>

</p><p>That's a great description of Microsoft.  Slow to get up to speed, difficult to turn once they get rolling.  The real problem with elephants on the battle field is once they got a head of steam they would charge through the enemy lines, then turn around and charge back through the lines and trample their own people.  Not exactly a smart bomb.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...Allison described Microsoft as 'an elephant that needs to be turned to stop it trampling the open source community That 's a great description of Microsoft .
Slow to get up to speed , difficult to turn once they get rolling .
The real problem with elephants on the battle field is once they got a head of steam they would charge through the enemy lines , then turn around and charge back through the lines and trample their own people .
Not exactly a smart bomb .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...Allison described Microsoft as 'an elephant that needs to be turned to stop it trampling the open source community

That's a great description of Microsoft.
Slow to get up to speed, difficult to turn once they get rolling.
The real problem with elephants on the battle field is once they got a head of steam they would charge through the enemy lines, then turn around and charge back through the lines and trample their own people.
Not exactly a smart bomb.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30849020</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Tolkien</author>
	<datestamp>1264102920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What school is this and where can I apply?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..Seriously.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What school is this and where can I apply ?
..Seriously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What school is this and where can I apply?
..Seriously.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848670</id>
	<title>I agree</title>
	<author>Murdoch5</author>
	<datestamp>1264101180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The USSR fell and so will Microsoft.   Although I doubt Bill will be preserved perfectly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The USSR fell and so will Microsoft .
Although I doubt Bill will be preserved perfectly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The USSR fell and so will Microsoft.
Although I doubt Bill will be preserved perfectly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30849928</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu and Commercial Software.</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1264106700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I have converted two of my family-members desktops over to Ubuntu within the last month, not including my own.</i> </p><p>It would be fun now and then to hear a Linux conversion story that ended in total disaster.</p><p>The geek drop-kicked into Lake Michigan by his Dad.</p><p>Written out of Grandma's will.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have converted two of my family-members desktops over to Ubuntu within the last month , not including my own .
It would be fun now and then to hear a Linux conversion story that ended in total disaster.The geek drop-kicked into Lake Michigan by his Dad.Written out of Grandma 's will .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have converted two of my family-members desktops over to Ubuntu within the last month, not including my own.
It would be fun now and then to hear a Linux conversion story that ended in total disaster.The geek drop-kicked into Lake Michigan by his Dad.Written out of Grandma's will.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847886</id>
	<title>most reliable companies on the planet</title>
	<author>rs232</author>
	<datestamp>1264097820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"<i>If I were, however, a little girl who felt betrayed by my corporate overlords making a deal with one of the most reliable companies on the planet, thus giving me and my fellow employees more job security, so I quit and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..</i>"<br> <br>

Novell gave away the family silver for a buch of vouchers. They also took to uttering vague IP protection threats against the Open Source community on their web site. They also stoped promoting their own desktop and recommended Windows instead. At least one of their technical people has the personaly integrity to resign. Person abuse from some a******e is not required.<br>
--<br> <br>
<i>reliable at what exactly?</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>" If I were , however , a little girl who felt betrayed by my corporate overlords making a deal with one of the most reliable companies on the planet , thus giving me and my fellow employees more job security , so I quit and .. " Novell gave away the family silver for a buch of vouchers .
They also took to uttering vague IP protection threats against the Open Source community on their web site .
They also stoped promoting their own desktop and recommended Windows instead .
At least one of their technical people has the personaly integrity to resign .
Person abuse from some a * * * * * * e is not required .
-- reliable at what exactly ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"If I were, however, a little girl who felt betrayed by my corporate overlords making a deal with one of the most reliable companies on the planet, thus giving me and my fellow employees more job security, so I quit and .." 

Novell gave away the family silver for a buch of vouchers.
They also took to uttering vague IP protection threats against the Open Source community on their web site.
They also stoped promoting their own desktop and recommended Windows instead.
At least one of their technical people has the personaly integrity to resign.
Person abuse from some a******e is not required.
-- 
reliable at what exactly?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30850720</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264066620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or students who only know word can use the fact that Word will convert to PDF for them if they like.</p><p>Ya know, that portable format that pretty much every system can read.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or students who only know word can use the fact that Word will convert to PDF for them if they like.Ya know , that portable format that pretty much every system can read .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or students who only know word can use the fact that Word will convert to PDF for them if they like.Ya know, that portable format that pretty much every system can read.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847872</id>
	<title>Re:How un-news worthy is this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264097760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>And who knew that a Google employee and FOSS advocate would bad-mouth MS at a Linux conference?!?!? When I read this I was so shocked that I dropped my monocle AND did a spit-take! That's the fourth monocle I've broken this week.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And who knew that a Google employee and FOSS advocate would bad-mouth MS at a Linux conference ? ! ? ! ?
When I read this I was so shocked that I dropped my monocle AND did a spit-take !
That 's the fourth monocle I 've broken this week .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And who knew that a Google employee and FOSS advocate would bad-mouth MS at a Linux conference?!?!?
When I read this I was so shocked that I dropped my monocle AND did a spit-take!
That's the fourth monocle I've broken this week.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848804</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Andreaskem</author>
	<datestamp>1264101960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm participating in a computational physics class this year (Germany) and guess what? About 25\% of the students were already using Linux. We all got a Linux introduction (quite a lot of bash stuff, but pretty easy) and a requirement for our C/C++ programs was that they had to compile and run on our lab computers that are running Linux, of course. I've seen quite a lot of new Linux installs and VMs over the course of the semester.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm participating in a computational physics class this year ( Germany ) and guess what ?
About 25 \ % of the students were already using Linux .
We all got a Linux introduction ( quite a lot of bash stuff , but pretty easy ) and a requirement for our C/C + + programs was that they had to compile and run on our lab computers that are running Linux , of course .
I 've seen quite a lot of new Linux installs and VMs over the course of the semester .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm participating in a computational physics class this year (Germany) and guess what?
About 25\% of the students were already using Linux.
We all got a Linux introduction (quite a lot of bash stuff, but pretty easy) and a requirement for our C/C++ programs was that they had to compile and run on our lab computers that are running Linux, of course.
I've seen quite a lot of new Linux installs and VMs over the course of the semester.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30849186</id>
	<title>What did you expect?</title>
	<author>lwriemen</author>
	<datestamp>1264103700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This isn't news to the court systems, or OS/2 present and former users.</p><p>Microsoft is an abusive, anti-competitive monopoly. Microsoft's been tried and found guilty in a court of law, but there's been no remedy applied. People still sign up to use the substandard OS, Windows, because of the applications barrier to entry. Until Linux gets major game and greeting card software companies on board, it'll continue to get marginalized by Microsoft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't news to the court systems , or OS/2 present and former users.Microsoft is an abusive , anti-competitive monopoly .
Microsoft 's been tried and found guilty in a court of law , but there 's been no remedy applied .
People still sign up to use the substandard OS , Windows , because of the applications barrier to entry .
Until Linux gets major game and greeting card software companies on board , it 'll continue to get marginalized by Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't news to the court systems, or OS/2 present and former users.Microsoft is an abusive, anti-competitive monopoly.
Microsoft's been tried and found guilty in a court of law, but there's been no remedy applied.
People still sign up to use the substandard OS, Windows, because of the applications barrier to entry.
Until Linux gets major game and greeting card software companies on board, it'll continue to get marginalized by Microsoft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30846950</id>
	<title>Frist elephant</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264094280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>jeremany allinson won't stop me from tampling on all other forst post attempts !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>jeremany allinson wo n't stop me from tampling on all other forst post attempts !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>jeremany allinson won't stop me from tampling on all other forst post attempts !</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848138</id>
	<title>Microsoft response:</title>
	<author>Xebikr</author>
	<datestamp>1264098960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh yeah?  Well, so's your mom!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh yeah ?
Well , so 's your mom !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh yeah?
Well, so's your mom!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30849102</id>
	<title>Re:Flamebait of a story</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264103220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I absolutely agree with this person and I wish I had mod points. While I don't love Micro$oft, but just to be fair, can we start to look at Microsoft as "competition" and move on. They have every right to protect their business; if we can produce better, more appealing software, we don't need to worry about all this bullshit. We need to win hearts with great products, not FUD--I hate to say it, like Micro$oft.

I think our priorities are out of order here. Whenevr I see a Micro$oft bashing post on slashdot, I just have to roll my eyes over. Grow up, people, please..o.k., pretty please?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I absolutely agree with this person and I wish I had mod points .
While I do n't love Micro $ oft , but just to be fair , can we start to look at Microsoft as " competition " and move on .
They have every right to protect their business ; if we can produce better , more appealing software , we do n't need to worry about all this bullshit .
We need to win hearts with great products , not FUD--I hate to say it , like Micro $ oft .
I think our priorities are out of order here .
Whenevr I see a Micro $ oft bashing post on slashdot , I just have to roll my eyes over .
Grow up , people , please..o.k. , pretty please ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I absolutely agree with this person and I wish I had mod points.
While I don't love Micro$oft, but just to be fair, can we start to look at Microsoft as "competition" and move on.
They have every right to protect their business; if we can produce better, more appealing software, we don't need to worry about all this bullshit.
We need to win hearts with great products, not FUD--I hate to say it, like Micro$oft.
I think our priorities are out of order here.
Whenevr I see a Micro$oft bashing post on slashdot, I just have to roll my eyes over.
Grow up, people, please..o.k., pretty please?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848466</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264100280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Random anecdote? More like the random asshole of the day!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Random anecdote ?
More like the random asshole of the day !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Random anecdote?
More like the random asshole of the day!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847278</id>
	<title>A rebuttal</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1264095540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And I - being no one of significance, am going to call Microsoft a small, fluffy, harmless kitten that needs to be petted.</p><p>Take THAT.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And I - being no one of significance , am going to call Microsoft a small , fluffy , harmless kitten that needs to be petted.Take THAT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I - being no one of significance, am going to call Microsoft a small, fluffy, harmless kitten that needs to be petted.Take THAT.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30846974</id>
	<title>Flamebait of a story</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264094400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>This demagogue is appealing to a cult of automated Microsoft haters as a Google employee.
How do you moderate a story Flamebait?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This demagogue is appealing to a cult of automated Microsoft haters as a Google employee .
How do you moderate a story Flamebait ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This demagogue is appealing to a cult of automated Microsoft haters as a Google employee.
How do you moderate a story Flamebait?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30849696</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264105740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And as we all know, using LaTeX to write common documents is just way simpler than using Word.</p><p>I always make my students hand-write everything with a quill pen in Latin.  I can't be troubled to learn the most common way of doing things for THEIR benefit, classes are after all, meant to be more about doing obtuse things that please me rather than learning.  After all, its not like they are paying me for this anyway right?  I'm doing it out of the KINDNESS OF MY HEART.</p><p>And its not like your university has free copies of Word for faculty and staff anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And as we all know , using LaTeX to write common documents is just way simpler than using Word.I always make my students hand-write everything with a quill pen in Latin .
I ca n't be troubled to learn the most common way of doing things for THEIR benefit , classes are after all , meant to be more about doing obtuse things that please me rather than learning .
After all , its not like they are paying me for this anyway right ?
I 'm doing it out of the KINDNESS OF MY HEART.And its not like your university has free copies of Word for faculty and staff anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And as we all know, using LaTeX to write common documents is just way simpler than using Word.I always make my students hand-write everything with a quill pen in Latin.
I can't be troubled to learn the most common way of doing things for THEIR benefit, classes are after all, meant to be more about doing obtuse things that please me rather than learning.
After all, its not like they are paying me for this anyway right?
I'm doing it out of the KINDNESS OF MY HEART.And its not like your university has free copies of Word for faculty and staff anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848238</id>
	<title>Microsoft bullies FOSS with patents and conspirato</title>
	<author>ComputerInsultant</author>
	<datestamp>1264099260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, the headline is "Microsoft bullies FOSS with patents and conspiratorial coersion."
<br> <br>
When Microsoft patents obvious things, then uses those patents to threaten law suits, that is a threat.
<br> <br>
If Microsoft was competing by building great software, we would be having a different conversation. This conversation is about Microsoft competing without building software.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , the headline is " Microsoft bullies FOSS with patents and conspiratorial coersion .
" When Microsoft patents obvious things , then uses those patents to threaten law suits , that is a threat .
If Microsoft was competing by building great software , we would be having a different conversation .
This conversation is about Microsoft competing without building software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, the headline is "Microsoft bullies FOSS with patents and conspiratorial coersion.
"
 
When Microsoft patents obvious things, then uses those patents to threaten law suits, that is a threat.
If Microsoft was competing by building great software, we would be having a different conversation.
This conversation is about Microsoft competing without building software.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30849272</id>
	<title>Re:African or Asian?</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1264104060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Europe doesn't have zoos?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Europe does n't have zoos ?
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Europe doesn't have zoos?
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848304</id>
	<title>Elephants are scared easily</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264099620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The easiest way to stop an elephant from trampling, is with a mouse. Get back to work!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The easiest way to stop an elephant from trampling , is with a mouse .
Get back to work !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The easiest way to stop an elephant from trampling, is with a mouse.
Get back to work!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847198</id>
	<title>Wow!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264095240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wish I could talk trash like him.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish I could talk trash like him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish I could talk trash like him.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848938</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1264102560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>It may be different now, but when I attended University in the late 90s most incoming freshmen did not know how to use LaTeX and some hadn't even heard of it. So unless you want to turn your computational physics course into "Introduction to LaTeX", it probably isn't reasonable to expect that incoming freshmen are immediately productive in LaTeX (which definitely has a learning curve). In fact, you will be lucky if they have had any formal training in Linux or Unix use let alone LaTeX (most US high schools , if they offer computer courses at all, invariably use Windows and Word).</htmltext>
<tokenext>It may be different now , but when I attended University in the late 90s most incoming freshmen did not know how to use LaTeX and some had n't even heard of it .
So unless you want to turn your computational physics course into " Introduction to LaTeX " , it probably is n't reasonable to expect that incoming freshmen are immediately productive in LaTeX ( which definitely has a learning curve ) .
In fact , you will be lucky if they have had any formal training in Linux or Unix use let alone LaTeX ( most US high schools , if they offer computer courses at all , invariably use Windows and Word ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It may be different now, but when I attended University in the late 90s most incoming freshmen did not know how to use LaTeX and some hadn't even heard of it.
So unless you want to turn your computational physics course into "Introduction to LaTeX", it probably isn't reasonable to expect that incoming freshmen are immediately productive in LaTeX (which definitely has a learning curve).
In fact, you will be lucky if they have had any formal training in Linux or Unix use let alone LaTeX (most US high schools , if they offer computer courses at all, invariably use Windows and Word).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30850150</id>
	<title>I wouldn't be so quick to shill Bing if I were you</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264064460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>...then there is Microsoft's Bing. Gaining market share rapidly, got some positive comments a few stories ago here on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.. Makes me wonder where that stands really, as Bing just needs a standards-compliant browser. I haven't used the site, but I understand from the comments that it is pretty standards-compliant at the moment.</p></div></blockquote><p>Depends on which standards you mean, which I guess is normal when talking about Microsoft products.  Bing does not honor the robots.txt standard which is pretty critically important to many websites (such as CPAN).  Because Bing will not play nice and effectively poses a denial-of-service threat to sites which heavily use virtual hostnames (such as SourceForge), the site owners have to either lock the Bing search robot's IP out fairly far up the pipe and thus remove themselves from Bing's indexing (because blocking them inside your network doesn't help, the packetstorm will still prevent your customers from reaching you efficiently) or invest massively in infrastructure upgrades to counter Bing's site saturation.</p><p>The upshot of this is Bing says "we are sorry, we have a technical problem we aren't smart enough to solve right away" and the sites getting hammered say "isn't it odd how Microsoft is hammering the crap out of FOSS sites and sparing ISS sites" and the public says "hmmm, there isn't any listing for a free product that does what I want in Bing, and everyone says Bing works great so there must not be a free product".</p><p>Draw what conclusions you wish.  I personally believe that you should never ascribe to malice what can adequately be explained as incompetence, and thus I haven't bothered to ever use Bing.  The owners/authors of Bing don't respect my robots.txt file so obviously their product must be shitty, case closed for me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...then there is Microsoft 's Bing .
Gaining market share rapidly , got some positive comments a few stories ago here on /.. Makes me wonder where that stands really , as Bing just needs a standards-compliant browser .
I have n't used the site , but I understand from the comments that it is pretty standards-compliant at the moment.Depends on which standards you mean , which I guess is normal when talking about Microsoft products .
Bing does not honor the robots.txt standard which is pretty critically important to many websites ( such as CPAN ) .
Because Bing will not play nice and effectively poses a denial-of-service threat to sites which heavily use virtual hostnames ( such as SourceForge ) , the site owners have to either lock the Bing search robot 's IP out fairly far up the pipe and thus remove themselves from Bing 's indexing ( because blocking them inside your network does n't help , the packetstorm will still prevent your customers from reaching you efficiently ) or invest massively in infrastructure upgrades to counter Bing 's site saturation.The upshot of this is Bing says " we are sorry , we have a technical problem we are n't smart enough to solve right away " and the sites getting hammered say " is n't it odd how Microsoft is hammering the crap out of FOSS sites and sparing ISS sites " and the public says " hmmm , there is n't any listing for a free product that does what I want in Bing , and everyone says Bing works great so there must not be a free product " .Draw what conclusions you wish .
I personally believe that you should never ascribe to malice what can adequately be explained as incompetence , and thus I have n't bothered to ever use Bing .
The owners/authors of Bing do n't respect my robots.txt file so obviously their product must be shitty , case closed for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...then there is Microsoft's Bing.
Gaining market share rapidly, got some positive comments a few stories ago here on /.. Makes me wonder where that stands really, as Bing just needs a standards-compliant browser.
I haven't used the site, but I understand from the comments that it is pretty standards-compliant at the moment.Depends on which standards you mean, which I guess is normal when talking about Microsoft products.
Bing does not honor the robots.txt standard which is pretty critically important to many websites (such as CPAN).
Because Bing will not play nice and effectively poses a denial-of-service threat to sites which heavily use virtual hostnames (such as SourceForge), the site owners have to either lock the Bing search robot's IP out fairly far up the pipe and thus remove themselves from Bing's indexing (because blocking them inside your network doesn't help, the packetstorm will still prevent your customers from reaching you efficiently) or invest massively in infrastructure upgrades to counter Bing's site saturation.The upshot of this is Bing says "we are sorry, we have a technical problem we aren't smart enough to solve right away" and the sites getting hammered say "isn't it odd how Microsoft is hammering the crap out of FOSS sites and sparing ISS sites" and the public says "hmmm, there isn't any listing for a free product that does what I want in Bing, and everyone says Bing works great so there must not be a free product".Draw what conclusions you wish.
I personally believe that you should never ascribe to malice what can adequately be explained as incompetence, and thus I haven't bothered to ever use Bing.
The owners/authors of Bing don't respect my robots.txt file so obviously their product must be shitty, case closed for me.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30868460</id>
	<title>company built on innovative ?</title>
	<author>viralMeme</author>
	<datestamp>1264247460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"<i>Company gets built around an innovative idea by a bunch of enthusiastic experts, grows big because it actually sells useful products that make peoples lives easier</i>"<br>,<br>

Yea, 'the innovative idea' was buying DOS from Seattle Computers and licensing it to IBM and their idea of selling useful products was to make sure running third party software on WinDOS was a jolting experience.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Company gets built around an innovative idea by a bunch of enthusiastic experts , grows big because it actually sells useful products that make peoples lives easier " , Yea , 'the innovative idea ' was buying DOS from Seattle Computers and licensing it to IBM and their idea of selling useful products was to make sure running third party software on WinDOS was a jolting experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Company gets built around an innovative idea by a bunch of enthusiastic experts, grows big because it actually sells useful products that make peoples lives easier",

Yea, 'the innovative idea' was buying DOS from Seattle Computers and licensing it to IBM and their idea of selling useful products was to make sure running third party software on WinDOS was a jolting experience.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847718</id>
	<title>FLOSS Community Is Their Own Worst Enemy</title>
	<author>Ukab the Great</author>
	<datestamp>1264097160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have no love for Microsoft.</p><p>But in the last decade I've seen Linux on the Desktop split between two different competing environments and API's, usability experts not being able to get any meaningful traction early on in FLOSS projects, newbies being flamed on IRC for asking questions, legitimate criticism of user experience issues being written of as FUD, billions of FLOSS company dollars going to enterprise systems buyouts and kernel hacker salaries instead of high quality user testing labs (and then saying FLOSS has no money for such things like evil proprietary companies do), etc.</p><p>When I look at Microsoft, I don't see FLOSS's greatest enemy; I see a boogeyman and a scapegoat used to explain FLOSS' lack of success at getting outside of a server room.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have no love for Microsoft.But in the last decade I 've seen Linux on the Desktop split between two different competing environments and API 's , usability experts not being able to get any meaningful traction early on in FLOSS projects , newbies being flamed on IRC for asking questions , legitimate criticism of user experience issues being written of as FUD , billions of FLOSS company dollars going to enterprise systems buyouts and kernel hacker salaries instead of high quality user testing labs ( and then saying FLOSS has no money for such things like evil proprietary companies do ) , etc.When I look at Microsoft , I do n't see FLOSS 's greatest enemy ; I see a boogeyman and a scapegoat used to explain FLOSS ' lack of success at getting outside of a server room .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have no love for Microsoft.But in the last decade I've seen Linux on the Desktop split between two different competing environments and API's, usability experts not being able to get any meaningful traction early on in FLOSS projects, newbies being flamed on IRC for asking questions, legitimate criticism of user experience issues being written of as FUD, billions of FLOSS company dollars going to enterprise systems buyouts and kernel hacker salaries instead of high quality user testing labs (and then saying FLOSS has no money for such things like evil proprietary companies do), etc.When I look at Microsoft, I don't see FLOSS's greatest enemy; I see a boogeyman and a scapegoat used to explain FLOSS' lack of success at getting outside of a server room.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847350</id>
	<title>Map Reduce?</title>
	<author>DAldredge</author>
	<datestamp>1264095840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mr. Allison,

What is Googles software patent policy in regards to things like the recent map/reduce patent?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mr. Allison , What is Googles software patent policy in regards to things like the recent map/reduce patent ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mr. Allison,

What is Googles software patent policy in regards to things like the recent map/reduce patent?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847216</id>
	<title>Oh slashdot what happened to you</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264095360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really don't like the tone of the summary, it's almost as if there no bias whatsoever against MS with the proxy &amp; safe language, "x described y as", "that he saw as", "evolved his argument". What the hell is wrong with you slashdot? Why are you not stating those things as fact? MS is evil, Steve Ballmer is a chair throwing maniac, etc. Have you been taken over by MS zealots and anti-OS shills??</p><p>Oh how I long for the slashdot days of lore when the MS trolls and shills were easily recognizable and always in for a game of the ol' troll-trolling. Well, still anti-MS over here!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really do n't like the tone of the summary , it 's almost as if there no bias whatsoever against MS with the proxy &amp; safe language , " x described y as " , " that he saw as " , " evolved his argument " .
What the hell is wrong with you slashdot ?
Why are you not stating those things as fact ?
MS is evil , Steve Ballmer is a chair throwing maniac , etc .
Have you been taken over by MS zealots and anti-OS shills ?
? Oh how I long for the slashdot days of lore when the MS trolls and shills were easily recognizable and always in for a game of the ol ' troll-trolling .
Well , still anti-MS over here !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really don't like the tone of the summary, it's almost as if there no bias whatsoever against MS with the proxy &amp; safe language, "x described y as", "that he saw as", "evolved his argument".
What the hell is wrong with you slashdot?
Why are you not stating those things as fact?
MS is evil, Steve Ballmer is a chair throwing maniac, etc.
Have you been taken over by MS zealots and anti-OS shills?
?Oh how I long for the slashdot days of lore when the MS trolls and shills were easily recognizable and always in for a game of the ol' troll-trolling.
Well, still anti-MS over here!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30858106</id>
	<title>Re:African or Asian?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264163580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think there are software patents in any African country. China and India have refused them too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think there are software patents in any African country .
China and India have refused them too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think there are software patents in any African country.
China and India have refused them too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30852200</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>colinrichardday</author>
	<datestamp>1264071000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What incentive does Microsoft have to support Open Office?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What incentive does Microsoft have to support Open Office ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What incentive does Microsoft have to support Open Office?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30849978</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264106880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How's about a TEXT file, douchington? Y'know, those things people used before they decided it was l33t to write everything in Comic fucking Sans for no goddamn reason at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How 's about a TEXT file , douchington ?
Y'know , those things people used before they decided it was l33t to write everything in Comic fucking Sans for no goddamn reason at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How's about a TEXT file, douchington?
Y'know, those things people used before they decided it was l33t to write everything in Comic fucking Sans for no goddamn reason at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30854290</id>
	<title>Re:It wouldn't be a problem</title>
	<author>uassholes</author>
	<datestamp>1264078860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How about inventing something of your own instead of stealing ideas from others!</p> </div><p>Joking is all well and good, but be careful what you say because there are a lot of people in the world that actually think that M$ innovates and invents rather than copying, buying, or stealing.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about inventing something of your own instead of stealing ideas from others !
Joking is all well and good , but be careful what you say because there are a lot of people in the world that actually think that M $ innovates and invents rather than copying , buying , or stealing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about inventing something of your own instead of stealing ideas from others!
Joking is all well and good, but be careful what you say because there are a lot of people in the world that actually think that M$ innovates and invents rather than copying, buying, or stealing.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848586</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Phred T. Magnificent</author>
	<datestamp>1264100820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>You "can't be arsed" to open a Word document? Seriously? Open a Word document? You're that close-minded that you feel it necessary to make your students jump through arbitrary hoops to appease your moral standing on a file format? I'm extremely grateful I'm not in a class taught by someone like you.</i> </p><p>Naturally I can't speak for GP, but I "can't be arsed" to pay for a copy of Word, or to keep a machine around that could run it if I had it.  Thankfully I'm not taking any classes at all just now, but if I were, I'd be much happier with a teacher that refused Word, than with one that required it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You " ca n't be arsed " to open a Word document ?
Seriously ? Open a Word document ?
You 're that close-minded that you feel it necessary to make your students jump through arbitrary hoops to appease your moral standing on a file format ?
I 'm extremely grateful I 'm not in a class taught by someone like you .
Naturally I ca n't speak for GP , but I " ca n't be arsed " to pay for a copy of Word , or to keep a machine around that could run it if I had it .
Thankfully I 'm not taking any classes at all just now , but if I were , I 'd be much happier with a teacher that refused Word , than with one that required it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> You "can't be arsed" to open a Word document?
Seriously? Open a Word document?
You're that close-minded that you feel it necessary to make your students jump through arbitrary hoops to appease your moral standing on a file format?
I'm extremely grateful I'm not in a class taught by someone like you.
Naturally I can't speak for GP, but I "can't be arsed" to pay for a copy of Word, or to keep a machine around that could run it if I had it.
Thankfully I'm not taking any classes at all just now, but if I were, I'd be much happier with a teacher that refused Word, than with one that required it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848618</id>
	<title>how MS plays nice with Open Source</title>
	<author>viralMeme</author>
	<datestamp>1264101000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.the-source.com/2009/12/10-problems-with-the-new-moonlight-covenant/" title="the-source.com">ten problems with the new Moonlight Covenant</a> [the-source.com] <br> <br>

Novell-Only, OS limitiations, the Killswitch, overlapping Promises, Novell-Only, Novell-Only, Platform Limited, GPL-Hostile, expiration Date<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</htmltext>
<tokenext>ten problems with the new Moonlight Covenant [ the-source.com ] Novell-Only , OS limitiations , the Killswitch , overlapping Promises , Novell-Only , Novell-Only , Platform Limited , GPL-Hostile , expiration Date .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ten problems with the new Moonlight Covenant [the-source.com]  

Novell-Only, OS limitiations, the Killswitch, overlapping Promises, Novell-Only, Novell-Only, Platform Limited, GPL-Hostile, expiration Date ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30853546</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264075620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I TA undergrad CS courses at Cornell. We accept submissions in pretty much any format, but if I receive a submission in anything other than computer-generated (as opposed to scanned) PDF or plan text, I include a comment requesting that the student submit a PDF for later homeworks. And, yes, I have received OpenOffice documents and included the given same comment I give to Word documents.</p><p>PDF files are intended to look like the exact same printed document on every computer that views them. Word and OpenOffice document aren't. I want to be grading what the student intended to submit, not what I happen to see, especially for things like equations which often do not get correctly displayed even by different versions of the same software. (Plain text is just a simple enough format that every computer displays it more or less the same.)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Perhaps, if using anything associated with<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc is that distasteful for you, you should have your students print out their assignments and simply hand them in. That way you could read them no matter what file format the student chooses to utilize on their computer.</p></div><p>Uh, yes, that's exactly what the PDF file format was invented for.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I TA undergrad CS courses at Cornell .
We accept submissions in pretty much any format , but if I receive a submission in anything other than computer-generated ( as opposed to scanned ) PDF or plan text , I include a comment requesting that the student submit a PDF for later homeworks .
And , yes , I have received OpenOffice documents and included the given same comment I give to Word documents.PDF files are intended to look like the exact same printed document on every computer that views them .
Word and OpenOffice document are n't .
I want to be grading what the student intended to submit , not what I happen to see , especially for things like equations which often do not get correctly displayed even by different versions of the same software .
( Plain text is just a simple enough format that every computer displays it more or less the same .
) Perhaps , if using anything associated with .doc is that distasteful for you , you should have your students print out their assignments and simply hand them in .
That way you could read them no matter what file format the student chooses to utilize on their computer.Uh , yes , that 's exactly what the PDF file format was invented for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I TA undergrad CS courses at Cornell.
We accept submissions in pretty much any format, but if I receive a submission in anything other than computer-generated (as opposed to scanned) PDF or plan text, I include a comment requesting that the student submit a PDF for later homeworks.
And, yes, I have received OpenOffice documents and included the given same comment I give to Word documents.PDF files are intended to look like the exact same printed document on every computer that views them.
Word and OpenOffice document aren't.
I want to be grading what the student intended to submit, not what I happen to see, especially for things like equations which often do not get correctly displayed even by different versions of the same software.
(Plain text is just a simple enough format that every computer displays it more or less the same.
)Perhaps, if using anything associated with .doc is that distasteful for you, you should have your students print out their assignments and simply hand them in.
That way you could read them no matter what file format the student chooses to utilize on their computer.Uh, yes, that's exactly what the PDF file format was invented for.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848022</id>
	<title>It makes sense too...</title>
	<author>RulerOf</author>
	<datestamp>1264098480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can think of a few people off the top of my head that I know who would take a Windows based solution from Microsoft for the cost of licenses + support, over a Linux based FOSS solution with a similar or lower cost of support, and I'm sure all of you all do as well.  Microsoft would be downright <i>foolish</i> not to court that market segment.<br> <br>My favorite part though, as per TFA:<p><div class="quote"><p>"We have a system that is absolutely free that we can do anything with, so why are we so obsessed with picking on Microsoft?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Shouldn't we leave the elephant alone and stop poking it with sticks? Well, the problem is they aren't going to leave us alone."</p></div><p> <b>Of course Microsoft is going to compete with your solutions.</b>  They're a god damned software company that makes every type of application they can produce without getting [successfully] sued by their competitors.  I've never actually said this before, but...<br> <br>Nothing to see here.  Move along.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can think of a few people off the top of my head that I know who would take a Windows based solution from Microsoft for the cost of licenses + support , over a Linux based FOSS solution with a similar or lower cost of support , and I 'm sure all of you all do as well .
Microsoft would be downright foolish not to court that market segment .
My favorite part though , as per TFA : " We have a system that is absolutely free that we can do anything with , so why are we so obsessed with picking on Microsoft ?
... Should n't we leave the elephant alone and stop poking it with sticks ?
Well , the problem is they are n't going to leave us alone .
" Of course Microsoft is going to compete with your solutions .
They 're a god damned software company that makes every type of application they can produce without getting [ successfully ] sued by their competitors .
I 've never actually said this before , but... Nothing to see here .
Move along .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can think of a few people off the top of my head that I know who would take a Windows based solution from Microsoft for the cost of licenses + support, over a Linux based FOSS solution with a similar or lower cost of support, and I'm sure all of you all do as well.
Microsoft would be downright foolish not to court that market segment.
My favorite part though, as per TFA:"We have a system that is absolutely free that we can do anything with, so why are we so obsessed with picking on Microsoft?
... Shouldn't we leave the elephant alone and stop poking it with sticks?
Well, the problem is they aren't going to leave us alone.
" Of course Microsoft is going to compete with your solutions.
They're a god damned software company that makes every type of application they can produce without getting [successfully] sued by their competitors.
I've never actually said this before, but... Nothing to see here.
Move along.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847508</id>
	<title>Re:Flamebait of a story</title>
	<author>MarkvW</author>
	<datestamp>1264096440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course it's flamebait.  It is mere provocation.  I learned nothing from the story.<br>Any good suggestions for better tech news aggregators?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course it 's flamebait .
It is mere provocation .
I learned nothing from the story.Any good suggestions for better tech news aggregators ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course it's flamebait.
It is mere provocation.
I learned nothing from the story.Any good suggestions for better tech news aggregators?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847156</id>
	<title>So???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264095120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Using your patents is shady? I can think of a whopping 2 Microsoft patent suits.. Tom Tom and Tivo. WTF are you retards crying about now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Using your patents is shady ?
I can think of a whopping 2 Microsoft patent suits.. Tom Tom and Tivo .
WTF are you retards crying about now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using your patents is shady?
I can think of a whopping 2 Microsoft patent suits.. Tom Tom and Tivo.
WTF are you retards crying about now?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847404</id>
	<title>elephant in the garden?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264096020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I put a wall around the elephant in the garden, won't it trample all my flowers?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I put a wall around the elephant in the garden , wo n't it trample all my flowers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I put a wall around the elephant in the garden, won't it trample all my flowers?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30852582</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1264072140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For you to call the basic<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc file format obscure is asinine.</p></div><p>Actually, the DOC file format is not just obscure, it is <strong>deliberately obscured</strong>. Your denial is what's asinine.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>If you were ask most people on the street what a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.ooo file was, they would look at you with a blank stare. Who is using the obscure file format?</p> </div><p>You have only made an ass out of you, and umption. What about RTF? Every version of Word I've ever seen can make 'em. Or how about good old text? Every version of Word can make those.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For you to call the basic .doc file format obscure is asinine.Actually , the DOC file format is not just obscure , it is deliberately obscured .
Your denial is what 's asinine.If you were ask most people on the street what a .ooo file was , they would look at you with a blank stare .
Who is using the obscure file format ?
You have only made an ass out of you , and umption .
What about RTF ?
Every version of Word I 've ever seen can make 'em .
Or how about good old text ?
Every version of Word can make those .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For you to call the basic .doc file format obscure is asinine.Actually, the DOC file format is not just obscure, it is deliberately obscured.
Your denial is what's asinine.If you were ask most people on the street what a .ooo file was, they would look at you with a blank stare.
Who is using the obscure file format?
You have only made an ass out of you, and umption.
What about RTF?
Every version of Word I've ever seen can make 'em.
Or how about good old text?
Every version of Word can make those.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30858020</id>
	<title>Re:Actually it teaches a valuable lesson</title>
	<author>lasinge</author>
	<datestamp>1264162740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, it's like fish realizing that they are in water, they don't even know that there is a software monoculture.  If I had $5 for every time someone said the internet is down, and really it has to do with their browser... Or something lame like another window has obscured their browser or something.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , it 's like fish realizing that they are in water , they do n't even know that there is a software monoculture .
If I had $ 5 for every time someone said the internet is down , and really it has to do with their browser... Or something lame like another window has obscured their browser or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, it's like fish realizing that they are in water, they don't even know that there is a software monoculture.
If I had $5 for every time someone said the internet is down, and really it has to do with their browser... Or something lame like another window has obscured their browser or something.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30856350</id>
	<title>Apple, open? right.</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1264095180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pull the other one.<blockquote><div><p>Apple: they couldn't care less about open/closed source and will likely go with the wind.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Apple contributes next to nothing to the FOSS community.  They are openly hostile to requests for source code and haven't open sourced a single significant in house development. Most of what Apple has made available is the stock standard BSD code that they are required to make available and a "chess" program.<br> <br>

Apple dislikes open source and only used it to get around the fact that Mac OS 9 was so horribly outdated and buggy that it was easier to start again from scratch (or just use someone elses work). Make no mistake, the GUI, parts of the Kernel and several other key components of OS X will remain locked up forever. Apple's contributions and acceptance of the OSS community is <a href="http://www.synack.net/~bbraun/writing/oshistory.html" title="synack.net">steadily decreasing</a> [synack.net] as they need less and less from OSS.<br> <br>

MS has actually contributed quite a bit more to open source then Apple, I'm not letting them off the hook mind you, Allison has a point about MS's actions towards Linux. Microsoft does not hate Open Source, they hate Linux because Linux is a threat to MS making more money. As much as we like to blame MS for their evil, they are not evil by nature. Microsoft's evilness is entirely a side effect of their greed.<br> <br>

MS is better towards FOSS for one reason, they don't take and don't give back, Apple takes and doesn't give back.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pull the other one.Apple : they could n't care less about open/closed source and will likely go with the wind .
Apple contributes next to nothing to the FOSS community .
They are openly hostile to requests for source code and have n't open sourced a single significant in house development .
Most of what Apple has made available is the stock standard BSD code that they are required to make available and a " chess " program .
Apple dislikes open source and only used it to get around the fact that Mac OS 9 was so horribly outdated and buggy that it was easier to start again from scratch ( or just use someone elses work ) .
Make no mistake , the GUI , parts of the Kernel and several other key components of OS X will remain locked up forever .
Apple 's contributions and acceptance of the OSS community is steadily decreasing [ synack.net ] as they need less and less from OSS .
MS has actually contributed quite a bit more to open source then Apple , I 'm not letting them off the hook mind you , Allison has a point about MS 's actions towards Linux .
Microsoft does not hate Open Source , they hate Linux because Linux is a threat to MS making more money .
As much as we like to blame MS for their evil , they are not evil by nature .
Microsoft 's evilness is entirely a side effect of their greed .
MS is better towards FOSS for one reason , they do n't take and do n't give back , Apple takes and does n't give back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pull the other one.Apple: they couldn't care less about open/closed source and will likely go with the wind.
Apple contributes next to nothing to the FOSS community.
They are openly hostile to requests for source code and haven't open sourced a single significant in house development.
Most of what Apple has made available is the stock standard BSD code that they are required to make available and a "chess" program.
Apple dislikes open source and only used it to get around the fact that Mac OS 9 was so horribly outdated and buggy that it was easier to start again from scratch (or just use someone elses work).
Make no mistake, the GUI, parts of the Kernel and several other key components of OS X will remain locked up forever.
Apple's contributions and acceptance of the OSS community is steadily decreasing [synack.net] as they need less and less from OSS.
MS has actually contributed quite a bit more to open source then Apple, I'm not letting them off the hook mind you, Allison has a point about MS's actions towards Linux.
Microsoft does not hate Open Source, they hate Linux because Linux is a threat to MS making more money.
As much as we like to blame MS for their evil, they are not evil by nature.
Microsoft's evilness is entirely a side effect of their greed.
MS is better towards FOSS for one reason, they don't take and don't give back, Apple takes and doesn't give back.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848204</id>
	<title>Re:Flamebait of a story</title>
	<author>Lunix Nutcase</author>
	<datestamp>1264099140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Or when MS's proprietary specifications become world standards at the behest of MS?</p></div><p>Because OOXML is the one and only time that some company's proprietary product becomes an IOS standard, right?  Oh wait...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or when MS 's proprietary specifications become world standards at the behest of MS ? Because OOXML is the one and only time that some company 's proprietary product becomes an IOS standard , right ?
Oh wait.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or when MS's proprietary specifications become world standards at the behest of MS?Because OOXML is the one and only time that some company's proprietary product becomes an IOS standard, right?
Oh wait...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847974</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264098240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>When I was going over our syllabus, I said: "Email your homework here. Don't send us Microsoft Word documents. My TA and I don't have Word, we're probably not on a computer that does when we grade your homework, and we can't be arsed to go find a decoder for whatever the newest obscure Microsoft format is."</i></p><p>You "can't be arsed" to open a Word document? Seriously? Open a Word document? You're that close-minded that you feel it necessary to make your students jump through arbitrary hoops to appease your moral standing on a file format? I'm extremely grateful I'm not in a class taught by someone like you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was going over our syllabus , I said : " Email your homework here .
Do n't send us Microsoft Word documents .
My TA and I do n't have Word , we 're probably not on a computer that does when we grade your homework , and we ca n't be arsed to go find a decoder for whatever the newest obscure Microsoft format is .
" You " ca n't be arsed " to open a Word document ?
Seriously ? Open a Word document ?
You 're that close-minded that you feel it necessary to make your students jump through arbitrary hoops to appease your moral standing on a file format ?
I 'm extremely grateful I 'm not in a class taught by someone like you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was going over our syllabus, I said: "Email your homework here.
Don't send us Microsoft Word documents.
My TA and I don't have Word, we're probably not on a computer that does when we grade your homework, and we can't be arsed to go find a decoder for whatever the newest obscure Microsoft format is.
"You "can't be arsed" to open a Word document?
Seriously? Open a Word document?
You're that close-minded that you feel it necessary to make your students jump through arbitrary hoops to appease your moral standing on a file format?
I'm extremely grateful I'm not in a class taught by someone like you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848702</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>VGPowerlord</author>
	<datestamp>1264101300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If you were ask most people on the street what a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.ooo file was, they would look at you with a blank stare.</p></div></blockquote><p>I would hope so, since OpenOffice documents are<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.odt files.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you were ask most people on the street what a .ooo file was , they would look at you with a blank stare.I would hope so , since OpenOffice documents are .odt files .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you were ask most people on the street what a .ooo file was, they would look at you with a blank stare.I would hope so, since OpenOffice documents are .odt files.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30849572</id>
	<title>Actually it teaches a valuable lesson</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264105260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The vast majority of freshman enter college believing that there a is Microsoft software monoculture. This requirement forces them to open their minds when they learn that alternatives do exist. Once so enlightened, it is short leap from realizing that they don't have to depend on a corporation to meet their needs to realizing that they don't have to depend on a government to meet their needs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The vast majority of freshman enter college believing that there a is Microsoft software monoculture .
This requirement forces them to open their minds when they learn that alternatives do exist .
Once so enlightened , it is short leap from realizing that they do n't have to depend on a corporation to meet their needs to realizing that they do n't have to depend on a government to meet their needs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The vast majority of freshman enter college believing that there a is Microsoft software monoculture.
This requirement forces them to open their minds when they learn that alternatives do exist.
Once so enlightened, it is short leap from realizing that they don't have to depend on a corporation to meet their needs to realizing that they don't have to depend on a government to meet their needs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30853060</id>
	<title>Re:How un-news worthy is this?</title>
	<author>steelfood</author>
	<datestamp>1264073820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's the fourth monocle I've broken this week.</p></div><p>That'd make a spectacle or two.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the fourth monocle I 've broken this week.That 'd make a spectacle or two .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the fourth monocle I've broken this week.That'd make a spectacle or two.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848950</id>
	<title>Why we can't compete with crappy MS products</title>
	<author>JustNiz</author>
	<datestamp>1264102620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was in Dennys at the weekend and couldn't help listening to a conversation that was taking place on the table behind me. Some woman was proud of her new netbook that she had to buy because her old laptop had too many windows virusses to run (fast) any more. Clearly she was one of those people that surf everywhere and click yes to everything.</p><p>I had the revelation that she actually represents nearly all 'normal' people (us techies definately aren't normal). Most 'normal' people have already been conditioned by companies like Microsoft, Dell and Apple to view laptops as appliances, not something user-maintainable. Many people can't even differentiate between hardware and OS.</p><p>Also, most people are already familiar the windows environment, and also don't like change. Even a slightly different desktop menu layout or whatever is enough to make them feel uncomfortable enough to not want to go further. Just a new version of Windows represents a significant learning curve to these people. I mean most people still use IE for christ sake even after all the warnings and free alternatives one mouse-click away. They just want their PC to plug and play. When it runs slow, in their ignorance they prefer to throw it away and blow $1500 on another laptop rather than change their behavior or just learn about their PC.</p><p>These are most consumers, and if we want them to adopt Linux we have to take their natural behavior and all their preconceptions into account.</p><p>The only way to get desktop Linux to the majority is to beat Microsoft at being able to plug in any hardware or application and have it just work, which means getting hardware manufacturers and app developers to stop blindly developing stuff for Microsoft-based OS only. As long as hardware suppliers don't provide Linux drivers and, for example, games developers still use DirectX and not OpenGL, Linux will never be in a position to reach the public consciousness, even though its technically and intrinsically better. Linux has clearly already won that war but obviously thats not enough as still no mass migration from Windows to Linux desktop that we'd all like to see.</p><p>The thing is, most people still have never heard of Linux. We need to stop hoping people will join our community just because its technically better, and start spending money on advertising.</p><p>Linux needs to be shoved into the public perception through the TV and media at least as hard and frequently as Microsoft do with their products. Advertising is the only way that desktop Linux will ever get to critical mass, which it needs to do so that its obvious to all HW and SW manufacturers that they will quickly loose out if they continue to only target Windows. Furthermore 'Normal' consumers need to at least know that Linux exists before they can try it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was in Dennys at the weekend and could n't help listening to a conversation that was taking place on the table behind me .
Some woman was proud of her new netbook that she had to buy because her old laptop had too many windows virusses to run ( fast ) any more .
Clearly she was one of those people that surf everywhere and click yes to everything.I had the revelation that she actually represents nearly all 'normal ' people ( us techies definately are n't normal ) .
Most 'normal ' people have already been conditioned by companies like Microsoft , Dell and Apple to view laptops as appliances , not something user-maintainable .
Many people ca n't even differentiate between hardware and OS.Also , most people are already familiar the windows environment , and also do n't like change .
Even a slightly different desktop menu layout or whatever is enough to make them feel uncomfortable enough to not want to go further .
Just a new version of Windows represents a significant learning curve to these people .
I mean most people still use IE for christ sake even after all the warnings and free alternatives one mouse-click away .
They just want their PC to plug and play .
When it runs slow , in their ignorance they prefer to throw it away and blow $ 1500 on another laptop rather than change their behavior or just learn about their PC.These are most consumers , and if we want them to adopt Linux we have to take their natural behavior and all their preconceptions into account.The only way to get desktop Linux to the majority is to beat Microsoft at being able to plug in any hardware or application and have it just work , which means getting hardware manufacturers and app developers to stop blindly developing stuff for Microsoft-based OS only .
As long as hardware suppliers do n't provide Linux drivers and , for example , games developers still use DirectX and not OpenGL , Linux will never be in a position to reach the public consciousness , even though its technically and intrinsically better .
Linux has clearly already won that war but obviously thats not enough as still no mass migration from Windows to Linux desktop that we 'd all like to see.The thing is , most people still have never heard of Linux .
We need to stop hoping people will join our community just because its technically better , and start spending money on advertising.Linux needs to be shoved into the public perception through the TV and media at least as hard and frequently as Microsoft do with their products .
Advertising is the only way that desktop Linux will ever get to critical mass , which it needs to do so that its obvious to all HW and SW manufacturers that they will quickly loose out if they continue to only target Windows .
Furthermore 'Normal ' consumers need to at least know that Linux exists before they can try it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was in Dennys at the weekend and couldn't help listening to a conversation that was taking place on the table behind me.
Some woman was proud of her new netbook that she had to buy because her old laptop had too many windows virusses to run (fast) any more.
Clearly she was one of those people that surf everywhere and click yes to everything.I had the revelation that she actually represents nearly all 'normal' people (us techies definately aren't normal).
Most 'normal' people have already been conditioned by companies like Microsoft, Dell and Apple to view laptops as appliances, not something user-maintainable.
Many people can't even differentiate between hardware and OS.Also, most people are already familiar the windows environment, and also don't like change.
Even a slightly different desktop menu layout or whatever is enough to make them feel uncomfortable enough to not want to go further.
Just a new version of Windows represents a significant learning curve to these people.
I mean most people still use IE for christ sake even after all the warnings and free alternatives one mouse-click away.
They just want their PC to plug and play.
When it runs slow, in their ignorance they prefer to throw it away and blow $1500 on another laptop rather than change their behavior or just learn about their PC.These are most consumers, and if we want them to adopt Linux we have to take their natural behavior and all their preconceptions into account.The only way to get desktop Linux to the majority is to beat Microsoft at being able to plug in any hardware or application and have it just work, which means getting hardware manufacturers and app developers to stop blindly developing stuff for Microsoft-based OS only.
As long as hardware suppliers don't provide Linux drivers and, for example, games developers still use DirectX and not OpenGL, Linux will never be in a position to reach the public consciousness, even though its technically and intrinsically better.
Linux has clearly already won that war but obviously thats not enough as still no mass migration from Windows to Linux desktop that we'd all like to see.The thing is, most people still have never heard of Linux.
We need to stop hoping people will join our community just because its technically better, and start spending money on advertising.Linux needs to be shoved into the public perception through the TV and media at least as hard and frequently as Microsoft do with their products.
Advertising is the only way that desktop Linux will ever get to critical mass, which it needs to do so that its obvious to all HW and SW manufacturers that they will quickly loose out if they continue to only target Windows.
Furthermore 'Normal' consumers need to at least know that Linux exists before they can try it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30851876</id>
	<title>What elephants can do</title>
	<author>MrKaos</author>
	<datestamp>1264070040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.darwinawards.com/legends/legends1998-09.html" title="darwinawards.com">A metaphor with many meanings</a> [darwinawards.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>A metaphor with many meanings [ darwinawards.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A metaphor with many meanings [darwinawards.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847674</id>
	<title>Re:Flamebait of a story</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1264096980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>How do you moderate a story Flamebait?<br></i><br>You vote it down in the firehose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you moderate a story Flamebait ? You vote it down in the firehose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you moderate a story Flamebait?You vote it down in the firehose.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848640</id>
	<title>Re:FLOSS Community Is Their Own Worst Enemy</title>
	<author>msimm</author>
	<datestamp>1264101060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Boogeyman? Microsoft routinely does <i>bad things</i> (tm) that in no way can be used to explain the usability issues Linux-based operating systems face today. But none-the-less their patent trolling, anti-competitive and generally litigious nature still makes them a serious threat to freedom and innovation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Boogeyman ?
Microsoft routinely does bad things ( tm ) that in no way can be used to explain the usability issues Linux-based operating systems face today .
But none-the-less their patent trolling , anti-competitive and generally litigious nature still makes them a serious threat to freedom and innovation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Boogeyman?
Microsoft routinely does bad things (tm) that in no way can be used to explain the usability issues Linux-based operating systems face today.
But none-the-less their patent trolling, anti-competitive and generally litigious nature still makes them a serious threat to freedom and innovation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848134</id>
	<title>Re:So?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264098960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More like calling MS barbarians because "swooping<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... is... bad..."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More like calling MS barbarians because " swooping ... is... bad... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More like calling MS barbarians because "swooping ... is... bad..."</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847858</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264097700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's a shitty way to treat your customers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a shitty way to treat your customers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a shitty way to treat your customers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30865068</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Erikderzweite</author>
	<datestamp>1264163880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He did not forbid them to send PDF's which you can generate from a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.docx.<br>If a freshmen really wants to enter mathematical formulas using Word and a mouse -- best of luck for him.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He did not forbid them to send PDF 's which you can generate from a .doc or .docx.If a freshmen really wants to enter mathematical formulas using Word and a mouse -- best of luck for him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He did not forbid them to send PDF's which you can generate from a .doc or .docx.If a freshmen really wants to enter mathematical formulas using Word and a mouse -- best of luck for him.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847194</id>
	<title>SNORE</title>
	<author>endeavour31</author>
	<datestamp>1264095240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ho hum - another anti-MS rant by another Stallman butt-puppet.

When something new comes along - then let me know.  Slashdot hopefully has more to offer than just a repository for negative sentiment regarding MS and commercial software.  The world is big - let MS and open source slug it out in the marketplace.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ho hum - another anti-MS rant by another Stallman butt-puppet .
When something new comes along - then let me know .
Slashdot hopefully has more to offer than just a repository for negative sentiment regarding MS and commercial software .
The world is big - let MS and open source slug it out in the marketplace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ho hum - another anti-MS rant by another Stallman butt-puppet.
When something new comes along - then let me know.
Slashdot hopefully has more to offer than just a repository for negative sentiment regarding MS and commercial software.
The world is big - let MS and open source slug it out in the marketplace.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30849046</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Tolkien</author>
	<datestamp>1264103040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, a lot of folks don't even know what a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc file is because of Microsoft's file-name extension hiding. They think of documents as the files with the "W" on the piece of paper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , a lot of folks do n't even know what a .doc file is because of Microsoft 's file-name extension hiding .
They think of documents as the files with the " W " on the piece of paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, a lot of folks don't even know what a .doc file is because of Microsoft's file-name extension hiding.
They think of documents as the files with the "W" on the piece of paper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848932</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>0123456</author>
	<datestamp>1264102500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For you to call the basic<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc file format obscure is asinine.</p></div><p>Microsoft's 'newest obscure format' would presumably be<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.docx, which I've seen about twice in my life... compared to thousands of PDFs and hundreds of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.odts and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.docs in the last year. So obscure sounds like the correct word.</p><p>And I would imagine that submitting as PDF would be the best solution for student assignments, since they are a standard and presumably not intended to be edited after submissin.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For you to call the basic .doc file format obscure is asinine.Microsoft 's 'newest obscure format ' would presumably be .docx , which I 've seen about twice in my life... compared to thousands of PDFs and hundreds of .odts and .docs in the last year .
So obscure sounds like the correct word.And I would imagine that submitting as PDF would be the best solution for student assignments , since they are a standard and presumably not intended to be edited after submissin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For you to call the basic .doc file format obscure is asinine.Microsoft's 'newest obscure format' would presumably be .docx, which I've seen about twice in my life... compared to thousands of PDFs and hundreds of .odts and .docs in the last year.
So obscure sounds like the correct word.And I would imagine that submitting as PDF would be the best solution for student assignments, since they are a standard and presumably not intended to be edited after submissin.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848682</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu and Commercial Software.</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1264101240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Having read TFA, the principal objection of Jeremy Allison is not over use of commercial software in Linux <i>per se</i>, but rather over offensive use of patents, creating "walled gardens" which favor one implementation over another regardless of merit, to quash or demand ransom from open source projects. Mr Allison is wise in his conclusion: namely that open source projects should ignore these agreements and continue to produce software freely because, as others have pointed out, (Richard Stallman being prominent among them) patents remain a threat to free software which cannot be avoided at this time. In fact, it is not worth even searching existing patents because <i>willful infringement</i>, or infringing a patent that you <i>know</i> about, carries heavier penalties than simply infringing a patent of which you had no knowledge. The patent holder may decide to file a lawsuit in either case so it doesn't pay to risk more than necessary by being proactive with regard to software patents. Therefore, the open source community should accept the risk and continuing moving forward, for now, while working against software patents on the legal and political advocacy front. This is essentially the same conclusion that Richard Stallman arrived at many years ago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Having read TFA , the principal objection of Jeremy Allison is not over use of commercial software in Linux per se , but rather over offensive use of patents , creating " walled gardens " which favor one implementation over another regardless of merit , to quash or demand ransom from open source projects .
Mr Allison is wise in his conclusion : namely that open source projects should ignore these agreements and continue to produce software freely because , as others have pointed out , ( Richard Stallman being prominent among them ) patents remain a threat to free software which can not be avoided at this time .
In fact , it is not worth even searching existing patents because willful infringement , or infringing a patent that you know about , carries heavier penalties than simply infringing a patent of which you had no knowledge .
The patent holder may decide to file a lawsuit in either case so it does n't pay to risk more than necessary by being proactive with regard to software patents .
Therefore , the open source community should accept the risk and continuing moving forward , for now , while working against software patents on the legal and political advocacy front .
This is essentially the same conclusion that Richard Stallman arrived at many years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having read TFA, the principal objection of Jeremy Allison is not over use of commercial software in Linux per se, but rather over offensive use of patents, creating "walled gardens" which favor one implementation over another regardless of merit, to quash or demand ransom from open source projects.
Mr Allison is wise in his conclusion: namely that open source projects should ignore these agreements and continue to produce software freely because, as others have pointed out, (Richard Stallman being prominent among them) patents remain a threat to free software which cannot be avoided at this time.
In fact, it is not worth even searching existing patents because willful infringement, or infringing a patent that you know about, carries heavier penalties than simply infringing a patent of which you had no knowledge.
The patent holder may decide to file a lawsuit in either case so it doesn't pay to risk more than necessary by being proactive with regard to software patents.
Therefore, the open source community should accept the risk and continuing moving forward, for now, while working against software patents on the legal and political advocacy front.
This is essentially the same conclusion that Richard Stallman arrived at many years ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30851924</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264070100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows and Word are just great for business documents, but in the scientific community, especially when related to maths; LaTeX is king. Kudos to any professor who insists that students of science and mathematics insist the students learn the necessary skills early.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows and Word are just great for business documents , but in the scientific community , especially when related to maths ; LaTeX is king .
Kudos to any professor who insists that students of science and mathematics insist the students learn the necessary skills early .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows and Word are just great for business documents, but in the scientific community, especially when related to maths; LaTeX is king.
Kudos to any professor who insists that students of science and mathematics insist the students learn the necessary skills early.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30852324</id>
	<title>Re:Flamebait of a story</title>
	<author>bit01</author>
	<datestamp>1264071360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <em>They have every right to protect their business</em> </p><p>If they competed ethically you might have a point. They don't.</p><p> <em>Grow up, people, please..o.k., pretty please?</em> </p><p>Time for you to grow up I think. Ethics trumps profit. Sociopaths like to claim otherwise but they are wrong.</p><p>---</p><p> <em>DRM is the #1 cause of software failure today.</em> </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They have every right to protect their business If they competed ethically you might have a point .
They do n't .
Grow up , people , please..o.k. , pretty please ?
Time for you to grow up I think .
Ethics trumps profit .
Sociopaths like to claim otherwise but they are wrong.--- DRM is the # 1 cause of software failure today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> They have every right to protect their business If they competed ethically you might have a point.
They don't.
Grow up, people, please..o.k., pretty please?
Time for you to grow up I think.
Ethics trumps profit.
Sociopaths like to claim otherwise but they are wrong.--- DRM is the #1 cause of software failure today. </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847246</id>
	<title>How un-news worthy is this?</title>
	<author>Toreo asesino</author>
	<datestamp>1264095480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Microsoft produces software that competes with FOSS" is basically the headline. Well who knew?!</p><p>Something they're also learning is that the above statement doesn't necessarily mean they can't work with FOSS in areas that are mutually beneficial. This, believe it or not, is happening too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Microsoft produces software that competes with FOSS " is basically the headline .
Well who knew ?
! Something they 're also learning is that the above statement does n't necessarily mean they ca n't work with FOSS in areas that are mutually beneficial .
This , believe it or not , is happening too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Microsoft produces software that competes with FOSS" is basically the headline.
Well who knew?
!Something they're also learning is that the above statement doesn't necessarily mean they can't work with FOSS in areas that are mutually beneficial.
This, believe it or not, is happening too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847620</id>
	<title>Not New, But I can Corroborate</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264096740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"So you see this especially in the appliance market where Microsoft will go to a company &mdash; off the record as this is never ever done in public &mdash; and say 'this product you have there, shame if someone brought a patent suit. So you have two options you can re-architect &mdash; here is Windows &mdash; or the other thing is why don't you give us a cut on all the free software you are using?'.</i></p><p>This is very common business practice in the U.S. not exclusive to Microsoft.  Bigger companies want two things from the smaller companies they intimidate, revenue and market penetration information.  If they don't get it privately, they certainly get it with patent/trademark litigation.</p><p>I'm not calling Microsoft out exclusively on this, but it should give the average<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. an idea of how fundamentally frozen the American economy is by patent and trademark law.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" So you see this especially in the appliance market where Microsoft will go to a company    off the record as this is never ever done in public    and say 'this product you have there , shame if someone brought a patent suit .
So you have two options you can re-architect    here is Windows    or the other thing is why do n't you give us a cut on all the free software you are using ?
'.This is very common business practice in the U.S. not exclusive to Microsoft .
Bigger companies want two things from the smaller companies they intimidate , revenue and market penetration information .
If they do n't get it privately , they certainly get it with patent/trademark litigation.I 'm not calling Microsoft out exclusively on this , but it should give the average / .
an idea of how fundamentally frozen the American economy is by patent and trademark law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"So you see this especially in the appliance market where Microsoft will go to a company — off the record as this is never ever done in public — and say 'this product you have there, shame if someone brought a patent suit.
So you have two options you can re-architect — here is Windows — or the other thing is why don't you give us a cut on all the free software you are using?
'.This is very common business practice in the U.S. not exclusive to Microsoft.
Bigger companies want two things from the smaller companies they intimidate, revenue and market penetration information.
If they don't get it privately, they certainly get it with patent/trademark litigation.I'm not calling Microsoft out exclusively on this, but it should give the average /.
an idea of how fundamentally frozen the American economy is by patent and trademark law.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848116</id>
	<title>Re:FLOSS Community Is Their Own Worst Enemy</title>
	<author>hellraizer</author>
	<datestamp>1264098840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> newbies being flamed on IRC for asking questions,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>that is the truth<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... not to mention being mocked when they do not know "the unix way" of doing things<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....

like the other day when a colleague os mine asked how he could access the D: drive on a linux server,
that question , got us on a talk that lasted 2 hours  just to explain him "the unix way"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>newbies being flamed on IRC for asking questions , ...that is the truth .... not to mention being mocked when they do not know " the unix way " of doing things ... . like the other day when a colleague os mine asked how he could access the D : drive on a linux server , that question , got us on a talk that lasted 2 hours just to explain him " the unix way " : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext> newbies being flamed on IRC for asking questions, ...that is the truth .... not to mention being mocked when they do not know "the unix way" of doing things ....

like the other day when a colleague os mine asked how he could access the D: drive on a linux server,
that question , got us on a talk that lasted 2 hours  just to explain him "the unix way" :P
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847314</id>
	<title>Not News, Not Important, Not True</title>
	<author>the roAm</author>
	<datestamp>1264095720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First off, this isn't news, which is glaringly obvious. If I said something along the same lines, would I get my own slashdot article? Probably not If I were, however, a little girl who felt betrayed by my corporate overlords making a deal with one of the most reliable companies on the planet, thus giving me and my fellow employees more job security, so I quit and start yelling WAHHH THE BIG BAD MICROSOFT MONSTER IS MEAN AND SO IS MY FORMER EMPLOYER AND MICROSOFT IS AN ELEPHANT RAWWWWR!, I probably would get this article.</p><p>How about something important and interesting, like the pork meat being created from stem cells? That's pretty fucking cool right there. Delicious progress.<br>Instead, we're fed this bullshit. I know we all love open source, theres nothing wrong with that. This, however, is NOT news, nor is it IMPORTANT to anyone, and as I'm about to present my case, it's not TRUE either.</p><p>"Oh, but wait, roAm, what about the fact that Microsoft is doing all these naughty things to threaten the open source community?"<br>FUD -- and as we all know, Microsoft's special brand of FUD only really works for promoting their products, not squashing the competition.<br>OSS is the elephant in this situation. A docile, elegant creature that never forgets. Microsoft is more like an annoying horsefly buzzing around the truck of said elephant, incessantly annoying the elephant, which can't quite seem to smash the annoying bug, but at the same time this is irrelevant because the bug has a limited lifespan compared to the near-immortality of the elephant.</p><p>Scale-wise, I know this comparison is skewed, but that doesn't make it any less true.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First off , this is n't news , which is glaringly obvious .
If I said something along the same lines , would I get my own slashdot article ?
Probably not If I were , however , a little girl who felt betrayed by my corporate overlords making a deal with one of the most reliable companies on the planet , thus giving me and my fellow employees more job security , so I quit and start yelling WAHHH THE BIG BAD MICROSOFT MONSTER IS MEAN AND SO IS MY FORMER EMPLOYER AND MICROSOFT IS AN ELEPHANT RAWWWWR ! , I probably would get this article.How about something important and interesting , like the pork meat being created from stem cells ?
That 's pretty fucking cool right there .
Delicious progress.Instead , we 're fed this bullshit .
I know we all love open source , theres nothing wrong with that .
This , however , is NOT news , nor is it IMPORTANT to anyone , and as I 'm about to present my case , it 's not TRUE either .
" Oh , but wait , roAm , what about the fact that Microsoft is doing all these naughty things to threaten the open source community ?
" FUD -- and as we all know , Microsoft 's special brand of FUD only really works for promoting their products , not squashing the competition.OSS is the elephant in this situation .
A docile , elegant creature that never forgets .
Microsoft is more like an annoying horsefly buzzing around the truck of said elephant , incessantly annoying the elephant , which ca n't quite seem to smash the annoying bug , but at the same time this is irrelevant because the bug has a limited lifespan compared to the near-immortality of the elephant.Scale-wise , I know this comparison is skewed , but that does n't make it any less true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First off, this isn't news, which is glaringly obvious.
If I said something along the same lines, would I get my own slashdot article?
Probably not If I were, however, a little girl who felt betrayed by my corporate overlords making a deal with one of the most reliable companies on the planet, thus giving me and my fellow employees more job security, so I quit and start yelling WAHHH THE BIG BAD MICROSOFT MONSTER IS MEAN AND SO IS MY FORMER EMPLOYER AND MICROSOFT IS AN ELEPHANT RAWWWWR!, I probably would get this article.How about something important and interesting, like the pork meat being created from stem cells?
That's pretty fucking cool right there.
Delicious progress.Instead, we're fed this bullshit.
I know we all love open source, theres nothing wrong with that.
This, however, is NOT news, nor is it IMPORTANT to anyone, and as I'm about to present my case, it's not TRUE either.
"Oh, but wait, roAm, what about the fact that Microsoft is doing all these naughty things to threaten the open source community?
"FUD -- and as we all know, Microsoft's special brand of FUD only really works for promoting their products, not squashing the competition.OSS is the elephant in this situation.
A docile, elegant creature that never forgets.
Microsoft is more like an annoying horsefly buzzing around the truck of said elephant, incessantly annoying the elephant, which can't quite seem to smash the annoying bug, but at the same time this is irrelevant because the bug has a limited lifespan compared to the near-immortality of the elephant.Scale-wise, I know this comparison is skewed, but that doesn't make it any less true.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30850372</id>
	<title>More hypocrisy from the GNU cult...</title>
	<author>AlexLibman</author>
	<datestamp>1264065300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Essential YouTube viewing:</p><ul> <li> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEPg2M1qbEs" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow"> <b>Eric S. Raymond and his opinion of the GPL</b> </a> [youtube.com] </li><li> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMmbjJI5su0" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow"> <b>BSD v. GPL, Jason Dixon, NYCBSDCon 2008</b> </a> [youtube.com] </li></ul><p>Jeremy Allison is one of the top villains of the software world (Richard Stalinman of course being #1), locking away software behind the restrictive anti-free-market <b>legal virus</b> they call the GPL, instead of something closer to truly free software (i.e. BSD license or public domain) which is how it would have naturally ended up due to free market competition.  Neither freedom nor the ability to earn a living, inevitably leading to <b>government funding and control of all software</b> - that's the GNU way!</p><p>Microsoft is a much lesser evil, and one that is much easier to avoid.  It is noteworthy that Microsoft didn't start using patents aggressively until it has become a victim of government violence itself.  Microsoft could do just fine without copyright / "intellectual property" bull entirely, as would be the case in a 100\% free society where they would be forced to operate through contract law, while <b>GNU is completely and utterly impossible in a 100\% free society</b> - <a href="http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=19771" title="freestateproject.org" rel="nofollow">government force is what it's all about!</a> [freestateproject.org]</p><p>The <b>GNU fiends love using the sword of government to their benefit</b>, but when it is used back against them, oh no - hell hath no fury like a software commie scorned!  He'll rant and rave in his mother's basement or government-subsidized dorm room - "I am a victim, hear me roar!"</p><p>(Now watch as my karma here goes to negative infinity and beyond, tee hee hee.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Essential YouTube viewing : Eric S. Raymond and his opinion of the GPL [ youtube.com ] BSD v. GPL , Jason Dixon , NYCBSDCon 2008 [ youtube.com ] Jeremy Allison is one of the top villains of the software world ( Richard Stalinman of course being # 1 ) , locking away software behind the restrictive anti-free-market legal virus they call the GPL , instead of something closer to truly free software ( i.e .
BSD license or public domain ) which is how it would have naturally ended up due to free market competition .
Neither freedom nor the ability to earn a living , inevitably leading to government funding and control of all software - that 's the GNU way ! Microsoft is a much lesser evil , and one that is much easier to avoid .
It is noteworthy that Microsoft did n't start using patents aggressively until it has become a victim of government violence itself .
Microsoft could do just fine without copyright / " intellectual property " bull entirely , as would be the case in a 100 \ % free society where they would be forced to operate through contract law , while GNU is completely and utterly impossible in a 100 \ % free society - government force is what it 's all about !
[ freestateproject.org ] The GNU fiends love using the sword of government to their benefit , but when it is used back against them , oh no - hell hath no fury like a software commie scorned !
He 'll rant and rave in his mother 's basement or government-subsidized dorm room - " I am a victim , hear me roar !
" ( Now watch as my karma here goes to negative infinity and beyond , tee hee hee .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Essential YouTube viewing:   Eric S. Raymond and his opinion of the GPL  [youtube.com]   BSD v. GPL, Jason Dixon, NYCBSDCon 2008  [youtube.com] Jeremy Allison is one of the top villains of the software world (Richard Stalinman of course being #1), locking away software behind the restrictive anti-free-market legal virus they call the GPL, instead of something closer to truly free software (i.e.
BSD license or public domain) which is how it would have naturally ended up due to free market competition.
Neither freedom nor the ability to earn a living, inevitably leading to government funding and control of all software - that's the GNU way!Microsoft is a much lesser evil, and one that is much easier to avoid.
It is noteworthy that Microsoft didn't start using patents aggressively until it has become a victim of government violence itself.
Microsoft could do just fine without copyright / "intellectual property" bull entirely, as would be the case in a 100\% free society where they would be forced to operate through contract law, while GNU is completely and utterly impossible in a 100\% free society - government force is what it's all about!
[freestateproject.org]The GNU fiends love using the sword of government to their benefit, but when it is used back against them, oh no - hell hath no fury like a software commie scorned!
He'll rant and rave in his mother's basement or government-subsidized dorm room - "I am a victim, hear me roar!
"(Now watch as my karma here goes to negative infinity and beyond, tee hee hee.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847052</id>
	<title>So?</title>
	<author>mandark1967</author>
	<datestamp>1264094700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who cares? That's about as news-worthy as Alistair calling Morrigan a "sneaky witch thief".</p><p>Move along. Nothing to see here...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who cares ?
That 's about as news-worthy as Alistair calling Morrigan a " sneaky witch thief " .Move along .
Nothing to see here.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who cares?
That's about as news-worthy as Alistair calling Morrigan a "sneaky witch thief".Move along.
Nothing to see here...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30846952</id>
	<title>Better than an 800 lb GORILLA !!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264094340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apeshit !!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apeshit !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apeshit !
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847152</id>
	<title>African or Asian?</title>
	<author>jgardia</author>
	<datestamp>1264095120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>sorry, there are no European elephants....</htmltext>
<tokenext>sorry , there are no European elephants... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sorry, there are no European elephants....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847320</id>
	<title>Redirecting the elephant?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264095720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft wants marketshare (to make money), open source wants marketshare (for a variety of reasons, some of which involve making money)<br>Microsoft isn't going do anything to benefit its competitors (without getting something out of it), open source advocates aren't going do anything to benefit its competitors without (without getting something out of it)</p><p>There's nothing about either side that can be redirected.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft wants marketshare ( to make money ) , open source wants marketshare ( for a variety of reasons , some of which involve making money ) Microsoft is n't going do anything to benefit its competitors ( without getting something out of it ) , open source advocates are n't going do anything to benefit its competitors without ( without getting something out of it ) There 's nothing about either side that can be redirected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft wants marketshare (to make money), open source wants marketshare (for a variety of reasons, some of which involve making money)Microsoft isn't going do anything to benefit its competitors (without getting something out of it), open source advocates aren't going do anything to benefit its competitors without (without getting something out of it)There's nothing about either side that can be redirected.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847822</id>
	<title>Re:A rebuttal</title>
	<author>jthill</author>
	<datestamp>1264097580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And Microsoft will provide you with a comfy chair to do it in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And Microsoft will provide you with a comfy chair to do it in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And Microsoft will provide you with a comfy chair to do it in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30854206</id>
	<title>Re:Flamebait of a story</title>
	<author>uassholes</author>
	<datestamp>1264078320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some people are outraged by injustice.  That doesn't make them immature.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some people are outraged by injustice .
That does n't make them immature .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some people are outraged by injustice.
That doesn't make them immature.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848748</id>
	<title>Elephant, mouse, and snake</title>
	<author>VGPowerlord</author>
	<datestamp>1264101600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, if Microsoft is the elephant, does that mean that Open Source is the mouse that scares the elephant, and Google is the sneaky snake that convinces the mouse to scare the elephant before said snake eats the mouse?</p><p>I don't know about you, but I'd rather deal with the evil I know rather than deal with the treacherous snake that pretends to be my ally one week (Mozilla / Android) and is my enemy the next (Chrome / NexusOne).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , if Microsoft is the elephant , does that mean that Open Source is the mouse that scares the elephant , and Google is the sneaky snake that convinces the mouse to scare the elephant before said snake eats the mouse ? I do n't know about you , but I 'd rather deal with the evil I know rather than deal with the treacherous snake that pretends to be my ally one week ( Mozilla / Android ) and is my enemy the next ( Chrome / NexusOne ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, if Microsoft is the elephant, does that mean that Open Source is the mouse that scares the elephant, and Google is the sneaky snake that convinces the mouse to scare the elephant before said snake eats the mouse?I don't know about you, but I'd rather deal with the evil I know rather than deal with the treacherous snake that pretends to be my ally one week (Mozilla / Android) and is my enemy the next (Chrome / NexusOne).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30854308</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Trogre</author>
	<datestamp>1264078920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you were to ask most people on the street what centripetal acceleration was, I doubt they could tell you that either.  What's your point?</p><p>I would imagine ASCII text, PDF or LaTeX might be acceptable in this guy's class.</p><p>It might be a bit tough on freshmen, but anyone wanting to pursue a serious career in any science discipline needs to learn LaTeX, and the earlier the better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you were to ask most people on the street what centripetal acceleration was , I doubt they could tell you that either .
What 's your point ? I would imagine ASCII text , PDF or LaTeX might be acceptable in this guy 's class.It might be a bit tough on freshmen , but anyone wanting to pursue a serious career in any science discipline needs to learn LaTeX , and the earlier the better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you were to ask most people on the street what centripetal acceleration was, I doubt they could tell you that either.
What's your point?I would imagine ASCII text, PDF or LaTeX might be acceptable in this guy's class.It might be a bit tough on freshmen, but anyone wanting to pursue a serious career in any science discipline needs to learn LaTeX, and the earlier the better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847922</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264098000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Don't send us Microsoft Word documents. My TA and I don't have Word, we're probably not on a computer that does when we grade your homework, and we can't be arsed to go find a decoder for whatever the newest obscure Microsoft format is.</p></div><p>The sad truth is that you can read Word files in OpenOffice as long as you aren't using the version of Word from 2007, but you can't open OpenOffice files in Word unless you install some extra plug-in.

</p><p>This seems backwards to me that Open Source Software supports proprietary formats better than Proprietary Software support open formats.  Que sera sera.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't send us Microsoft Word documents .
My TA and I do n't have Word , we 're probably not on a computer that does when we grade your homework , and we ca n't be arsed to go find a decoder for whatever the newest obscure Microsoft format is.The sad truth is that you can read Word files in OpenOffice as long as you are n't using the version of Word from 2007 , but you ca n't open OpenOffice files in Word unless you install some extra plug-in .
This seems backwards to me that Open Source Software supports proprietary formats better than Proprietary Software support open formats .
Que sera sera .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't send us Microsoft Word documents.
My TA and I don't have Word, we're probably not on a computer that does when we grade your homework, and we can't be arsed to go find a decoder for whatever the newest obscure Microsoft format is.The sad truth is that you can read Word files in OpenOffice as long as you aren't using the version of Word from 2007, but you can't open OpenOffice files in Word unless you install some extra plug-in.
This seems backwards to me that Open Source Software supports proprietary formats better than Proprietary Software support open formats.
Que sera sera.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30850612</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Ant P.</author>
	<datestamp>1264066200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But on the other hand, neither do you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But on the other hand , neither do you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But on the other hand, neither do you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30849014</id>
	<title>What's this got to do with Patrick Stewart?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264102920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:</p><p><i>"Microsoft is often compared to the Star Trek icon 'The Borg'. You have this wonderful little Patrick Stewart icon with his Borg headgear on whenever you have Microsoft on a Slashdot story," he said referring to the popular science fiction series and IT website.</i></p><p>The<nobr> <wbr></nobr>./ MS icon is a Borg-ified Bill Gates. Not Patrick Stewart.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : " Microsoft is often compared to the Star Trek icon 'The Borg' .
You have this wonderful little Patrick Stewart icon with his Borg headgear on whenever you have Microsoft on a Slashdot story , " he said referring to the popular science fiction series and IT website.The ./ MS icon is a Borg-ified Bill Gates .
Not Patrick Stewart .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:"Microsoft is often compared to the Star Trek icon 'The Borg'.
You have this wonderful little Patrick Stewart icon with his Borg headgear on whenever you have Microsoft on a Slashdot story," he said referring to the popular science fiction series and IT website.The ./ MS icon is a Borg-ified Bill Gates.
Not Patrick Stewart.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30854744</id>
	<title>Absolutely: don't reject commercial free software.</title>
	<author>jbn-o</author>
	<datestamp>1264081380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since I don't oppose commercial free software, I tend to agree.  All free software is commercial since any of it may be distributed for a fee (otherwise it would not qualify as free software) and any of it may be used by a business to pursue their ends.  I figure that to be anti-commercial software is to be anti-free software.  The free software movement is not anti-business.  We're pro-software freedom&mdash;people should be free to run, inspect, share, and modify all published computer software.  So, as Jeremy Allison said in TFA, "Keep our eyes on the prize -- we keep doing this [free software development] and we will end up with a world where, yes, there may be more proprietary gardens but we can ignore them by creating our own content, creating our own software and creating our own hardware. Let's build the world that we want to see.".  Indeed, that's what's gotten us this far and that's how we should keep going.</p><p>We need to teach people about the software freedom too: share the values of our community of cooperative collaboration, including teaching them that paying for free software is a <em>good</em> thing; it helps make more free software!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since I do n't oppose commercial free software , I tend to agree .
All free software is commercial since any of it may be distributed for a fee ( otherwise it would not qualify as free software ) and any of it may be used by a business to pursue their ends .
I figure that to be anti-commercial software is to be anti-free software .
The free software movement is not anti-business .
We 're pro-software freedom    people should be free to run , inspect , share , and modify all published computer software .
So , as Jeremy Allison said in TFA , " Keep our eyes on the prize -- we keep doing this [ free software development ] and we will end up with a world where , yes , there may be more proprietary gardens but we can ignore them by creating our own content , creating our own software and creating our own hardware .
Let 's build the world that we want to see. " .
Indeed , that 's what 's gotten us this far and that 's how we should keep going.We need to teach people about the software freedom too : share the values of our community of cooperative collaboration , including teaching them that paying for free software is a good thing ; it helps make more free software !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since I don't oppose commercial free software, I tend to agree.
All free software is commercial since any of it may be distributed for a fee (otherwise it would not qualify as free software) and any of it may be used by a business to pursue their ends.
I figure that to be anti-commercial software is to be anti-free software.
The free software movement is not anti-business.
We're pro-software freedom—people should be free to run, inspect, share, and modify all published computer software.
So, as Jeremy Allison said in TFA, "Keep our eyes on the prize -- we keep doing this [free software development] and we will end up with a world where, yes, there may be more proprietary gardens but we can ignore them by creating our own content, creating our own software and creating our own hardware.
Let's build the world that we want to see.".
Indeed, that's what's gotten us this far and that's how we should keep going.We need to teach people about the software freedom too: share the values of our community of cooperative collaboration, including teaching them that paying for free software is a good thing; it helps make more free software!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848472</id>
	<title>Re:FLOSS Community Is Their Own Worst Enemy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264100280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Re IRC..<br>I am a programmer who is trying to shift my development from Windows to Linux. While the IRC rooms do have some helpful people, there always a couple of people who are very elitist and basically insult you for not already knowing the answer if you ask a question.<br>The result is chat rooms that are 96\% quiet because these a-holes shut down all the convos.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Re IRC..I am a programmer who is trying to shift my development from Windows to Linux .
While the IRC rooms do have some helpful people , there always a couple of people who are very elitist and basically insult you for not already knowing the answer if you ask a question.The result is chat rooms that are 96 \ % quiet because these a-holes shut down all the convos .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Re IRC..I am a programmer who is trying to shift my development from Windows to Linux.
While the IRC rooms do have some helpful people, there always a couple of people who are very elitist and basically insult you for not already knowing the answer if you ask a question.The result is chat rooms that are 96\% quiet because these a-holes shut down all the convos.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30850424</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264065480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For you to call the basic<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc file format obscure is asinine.</p></div><p>I don't think that word means what you think it means. Obscure means "not clear or plain" which is exactly what a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc file is. The content in a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc file is encoded in a proprietary MS format. It is obscure by design.  Compare to the content in an ascii text file, which any program that handles text can read.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>If you were to ask most people on the street what a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc file was, they would be able to tell you that it is a document file.</p></div><p>And they would be wrong. It is an MS Word file. Regardless, whether or not a file format is obscure has nothing whatsoever to do with how many people have heard of it.</p><p>MS loves people like you who blindly accept that everyone who uses a computer will pay the MS tax in order to read each others documents. As a professor, asking people to turn in assignments in an open format which can be created with a freely available program is the right thing to do. Demanding that students pay MS for the ability to turn in assignments is absurd.</p></div>
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<tokenext>For you to call the basic .doc file format obscure is asinine.I do n't think that word means what you think it means .
Obscure means " not clear or plain " which is exactly what a .doc file is .
The content in a .doc file is encoded in a proprietary MS format .
It is obscure by design .
Compare to the content in an ascii text file , which any program that handles text can read.If you were to ask most people on the street what a .doc file was , they would be able to tell you that it is a document file.And they would be wrong .
It is an MS Word file .
Regardless , whether or not a file format is obscure has nothing whatsoever to do with how many people have heard of it.MS loves people like you who blindly accept that everyone who uses a computer will pay the MS tax in order to read each others documents .
As a professor , asking people to turn in assignments in an open format which can be created with a freely available program is the right thing to do .
Demanding that students pay MS for the ability to turn in assignments is absurd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For you to call the basic .doc file format obscure is asinine.I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Obscure means "not clear or plain" which is exactly what a .doc file is.
The content in a .doc file is encoded in a proprietary MS format.
It is obscure by design.
Compare to the content in an ascii text file, which any program that handles text can read.If you were to ask most people on the street what a .doc file was, they would be able to tell you that it is a document file.And they would be wrong.
It is an MS Word file.
Regardless, whether or not a file format is obscure has nothing whatsoever to do with how many people have heard of it.MS loves people like you who blindly accept that everyone who uses a computer will pay the MS tax in order to read each others documents.
As a professor, asking people to turn in assignments in an open format which can be created with a freely available program is the right thing to do.
Demanding that students pay MS for the ability to turn in assignments is absurd.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848418</id>
	<title>Re:African or Asian?</title>
	<author>Z00L00K</author>
	<datestamp>1264100100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would rather compare Microsoft with a Komodo Dragon.</p><p>Poison and infection in a single bite causing a painful death for the victim.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would rather compare Microsoft with a Komodo Dragon.Poison and infection in a single bite causing a painful death for the victim .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would rather compare Microsoft with a Komodo Dragon.Poison and infection in a single bite causing a painful death for the victim.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30853308</id>
	<title>Re:Not News, Not Important, Not True</title>
	<author>the roAm</author>
	<datestamp>1264074720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh yes, I'm a troll for telling the truth. Sorry. Pansies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh yes , I 'm a troll for telling the truth .
Sorry. Pansies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh yes, I'm a troll for telling the truth.
Sorry. Pansies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847296</id>
	<title>Ubuntu and Commercial Software.</title>
	<author>headkase</author>
	<datestamp>1264095600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Want Open to win?  Stop being bloody purists.  See, <a href="http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=com.ubuntu\%3Aen-US\%3Aofficial&amp;hs=GAL&amp;tbo=1&amp;tbs=qdr\%3Aw&amp;q=ubuntu+commercial+software+survey&amp;btnG=Search&amp;meta=&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=" title="google.ca">Ubuntu Software Commercial Survey</a> [google.ca] for a pragmatic approach.  Ubuntu is a bridge, get the Windows people over first and once they know what they're doing they can compile their own Gentoo.  Commercial software on Linux is also such a bridge, let it in: as long as the core operating system is Open who gives a crap.  If the commercial is amazingly good compared to the Open then it will survive while the Open matures.  But don't deny your users the commercial because you're being a dick about it.  Follow the Linux philosophy: Openness, including commercial.  Then work with it yourself, I have converted two of my family-members desktops over to Ubuntu within the last month, not including my own.  If I wasn't using a "stupid" distribution it wouldn't have happened because I have no idea of the required options while building your kernel.  Support the bridges, they all lead into Open.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Want Open to win ?
Stop being bloody purists .
See , Ubuntu Software Commercial Survey [ google.ca ] for a pragmatic approach .
Ubuntu is a bridge , get the Windows people over first and once they know what they 're doing they can compile their own Gentoo .
Commercial software on Linux is also such a bridge , let it in : as long as the core operating system is Open who gives a crap .
If the commercial is amazingly good compared to the Open then it will survive while the Open matures .
But do n't deny your users the commercial because you 're being a dick about it .
Follow the Linux philosophy : Openness , including commercial .
Then work with it yourself , I have converted two of my family-members desktops over to Ubuntu within the last month , not including my own .
If I was n't using a " stupid " distribution it would n't have happened because I have no idea of the required options while building your kernel .
Support the bridges , they all lead into Open .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Want Open to win?
Stop being bloody purists.
See, Ubuntu Software Commercial Survey [google.ca] for a pragmatic approach.
Ubuntu is a bridge, get the Windows people over first and once they know what they're doing they can compile their own Gentoo.
Commercial software on Linux is also such a bridge, let it in: as long as the core operating system is Open who gives a crap.
If the commercial is amazingly good compared to the Open then it will survive while the Open matures.
But don't deny your users the commercial because you're being a dick about it.
Follow the Linux philosophy: Openness, including commercial.
Then work with it yourself, I have converted two of my family-members desktops over to Ubuntu within the last month, not including my own.
If I wasn't using a "stupid" distribution it wouldn't have happened because I have no idea of the required options while building your kernel.
Support the bridges, they all lead into Open.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848832</id>
	<title>Re:Well... duh!</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1264102020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Then there is Microsoft's Bing. Gaining market share rapidly, got some positive comments a few stories ago here on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.. Makes me wonder where that stands really, as Bing just needs a standards-compliant browser.</p></div><p>It boils down to revenue (i.e. money). The AdWords program, which is built upon the foundation of their successful search engine, is responsible for 90\%+ of Google's present revenues; AdWords pays the bills at Google. This revenue stream is tremendously lucrative by anyone's estimation; indeed, there is a river of advertising money flowing through Google via AdWords. When one looks at the issue in this way, it is not difficult to understand Microsoft's interest in search and their substantial investments in Bing. If Microsoft continues to be successful with Bing then not only can they siphon off a portion of Google's current revenues, damaging a primary competitor, but they will add a new and growing stream of revenue to supplement the income generated by their Windows and Office product lines (which incidentally are also under threat from Google with Chrome OS and Google apps). The future of Microsoft may well be determined by how well Bing competes with Google.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Then there is Microsoft 's Bing .
Gaining market share rapidly , got some positive comments a few stories ago here on /.. Makes me wonder where that stands really , as Bing just needs a standards-compliant browser.It boils down to revenue ( i.e .
money ) . The AdWords program , which is built upon the foundation of their successful search engine , is responsible for 90 \ % + of Google 's present revenues ; AdWords pays the bills at Google .
This revenue stream is tremendously lucrative by anyone 's estimation ; indeed , there is a river of advertising money flowing through Google via AdWords .
When one looks at the issue in this way , it is not difficult to understand Microsoft 's interest in search and their substantial investments in Bing .
If Microsoft continues to be successful with Bing then not only can they siphon off a portion of Google 's current revenues , damaging a primary competitor , but they will add a new and growing stream of revenue to supplement the income generated by their Windows and Office product lines ( which incidentally are also under threat from Google with Chrome OS and Google apps ) .
The future of Microsoft may well be determined by how well Bing competes with Google .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then there is Microsoft's Bing.
Gaining market share rapidly, got some positive comments a few stories ago here on /.. Makes me wonder where that stands really, as Bing just needs a standards-compliant browser.It boils down to revenue (i.e.
money). The AdWords program, which is built upon the foundation of their successful search engine, is responsible for 90\%+ of Google's present revenues; AdWords pays the bills at Google.
This revenue stream is tremendously lucrative by anyone's estimation; indeed, there is a river of advertising money flowing through Google via AdWords.
When one looks at the issue in this way, it is not difficult to understand Microsoft's interest in search and their substantial investments in Bing.
If Microsoft continues to be successful with Bing then not only can they siphon off a portion of Google's current revenues, damaging a primary competitor, but they will add a new and growing stream of revenue to supplement the income generated by their Windows and Office product lines (which incidentally are also under threat from Google with Chrome OS and Google apps).
The future of Microsoft may well be determined by how well Bing competes with Google.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30850420</id>
	<title>docx</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264065480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thats why I use the standard ISO 29500 for documents. Which should be supported by Office 2010 soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thats why I use the standard ISO 29500 for documents .
Which should be supported by Office 2010 soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thats why I use the standard ISO 29500 for documents.
Which should be supported by Office 2010 soon.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847878</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu and Commercial Software.</title>
	<author>that this is not und</author>
	<datestamp>1264097760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't want open to 'Win.'  I want it to continue, and to be viable, in parallel with other software licensing methods.  And a dab of pragmatism is good for that, but it needs to stay open.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't want open to 'Win .
' I want it to continue , and to be viable , in parallel with other software licensing methods .
And a dab of pragmatism is good for that , but it needs to stay open .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't want open to 'Win.
'  I want it to continue, and to be viable, in parallel with other software licensing methods.
And a dab of pragmatism is good for that, but it needs to stay open.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847238</id>
	<title>Help! Help! A horrible heffalump!</title>
	<author>johndiii</author>
	<datestamp>1264095420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A. A. Milne saw this coming.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A. A. Milne saw this coming .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A. A. Milne saw this coming.
:-)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30851446</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu and Commercial Software.</title>
	<author>t0p</author>
	<datestamp>1264068720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Follow the Linux philosophy: Openness, including commercial.</p></div><p>And whose "Linux philosophy" is <i>that</i>?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Follow the Linux philosophy : Openness , including commercial.And whose " Linux philosophy " is that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Follow the Linux philosophy: Openness, including commercial.And whose "Linux philosophy" is that?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847462</id>
	<title>Re:How un-news worthy is this?</title>
	<author>PsychicX</author>
	<datestamp>1264096320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, I think this might actually be the literal definition of FUD. We could just go over to UrbanDictionary and add an entry with a link back to this story.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I think this might actually be the literal definition of FUD .
We could just go over to UrbanDictionary and add an entry with a link back to this story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I think this might actually be the literal definition of FUD.
We could just go over to UrbanDictionary and add an entry with a link back to this story.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848330</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>AnotherUsername</author>
	<datestamp>1264099740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>So what obscure file format do you have them use?  For you to call the basic<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc file format obscure is asinine.  If you were to ask most people on the street what a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc file was, they would be able to tell you that it is a document file.  If you were ask most people on the street what a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.ooo file was, they would look at you with a blank stare.  Who is using the obscure file format?
<br> <br>
Perhaps, if using anything associated with<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc is that distasteful for you, you should have your students print out their assignments and simply hand them in.  That way you could read them no matter what file format the student chooses to utilize on their computer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So what obscure file format do you have them use ?
For you to call the basic .doc file format obscure is asinine .
If you were to ask most people on the street what a .doc file was , they would be able to tell you that it is a document file .
If you were ask most people on the street what a .ooo file was , they would look at you with a blank stare .
Who is using the obscure file format ?
Perhaps , if using anything associated with .doc is that distasteful for you , you should have your students print out their assignments and simply hand them in .
That way you could read them no matter what file format the student chooses to utilize on their computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what obscure file format do you have them use?
For you to call the basic .doc file format obscure is asinine.
If you were to ask most people on the street what a .doc file was, they would be able to tell you that it is a document file.
If you were ask most people on the street what a .ooo file was, they would look at you with a blank stare.
Who is using the obscure file format?
Perhaps, if using anything associated with .doc is that distasteful for you, you should have your students print out their assignments and simply hand them in.
That way you could read them no matter what file format the student chooses to utilize on their computer.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Ubuntu and Commercial Software.</title>
	<author>lasinge</author>
	<datestamp>1264161960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Amen to that!  I was a computer science major once, I dropped out to pursue a music career (I was 18 at the time, I wish I could go back in time and kick my own ass, but I digress)  I came out to the west coast to rekindle my interest in coding got a job in the tail of the dot com bubble and bust, and when the dust settled and I was collecting unemployment I started checking out Suse and Red Hat and I found that linux was frankly a pain in the ass after several attempts of compiling kernels and drivers, even with a modicum of technical experience.like I had I went back to using windows.  A few years later I kept hearing about Ubuntu and after one too many installs of XP that didn't work and one too many viruses and all the bad press about Vista ( and being a struggling artist = no money) I decided to chuck it and try Ubuntu.  I held my breath and did a clean install.  It was a little bit rough figuring out xorg.conf and getting audio to work (I have high technical demands for that), but Ubuntu has been overall great.  I have since dedicated myself to learning everything I can about system admin and bash, the last tech gig I had the guy couldn't believe how I "flowed through bash"  I can certainly attest to the fact that Ubuntu made it a logical and well designed environment to just run out of the box.  Unless you are a techie it wouldn't have made sense before now.  I am now an unabashed fanboy,  though I still cheat and use microsoft products from time to time (Like this xp laptop, although it's days are numbered... in my defense all the asus linux netbooks were sold out when I bought this computer)

The first thing I do now when I do a fresh install of ubuntu is to setup the windows key on my keyboard to open a terminal through the shortcuts menu.  It is SO satisfying to know that no matter what processes are running I can reach in and kill one if necessary, no quibbling.   Daemon be gone!

Yeah FOSS is awesome, but there is a time and place for commercial software and there is nothing wrong with getting paid for your efforts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Amen to that !
I was a computer science major once , I dropped out to pursue a music career ( I was 18 at the time , I wish I could go back in time and kick my own ass , but I digress ) I came out to the west coast to rekindle my interest in coding got a job in the tail of the dot com bubble and bust , and when the dust settled and I was collecting unemployment I started checking out Suse and Red Hat and I found that linux was frankly a pain in the ass after several attempts of compiling kernels and drivers , even with a modicum of technical experience.like I had I went back to using windows .
A few years later I kept hearing about Ubuntu and after one too many installs of XP that did n't work and one too many viruses and all the bad press about Vista ( and being a struggling artist = no money ) I decided to chuck it and try Ubuntu .
I held my breath and did a clean install .
It was a little bit rough figuring out xorg.conf and getting audio to work ( I have high technical demands for that ) , but Ubuntu has been overall great .
I have since dedicated myself to learning everything I can about system admin and bash , the last tech gig I had the guy could n't believe how I " flowed through bash " I can certainly attest to the fact that Ubuntu made it a logical and well designed environment to just run out of the box .
Unless you are a techie it would n't have made sense before now .
I am now an unabashed fanboy , though I still cheat and use microsoft products from time to time ( Like this xp laptop , although it 's days are numbered... in my defense all the asus linux netbooks were sold out when I bought this computer ) The first thing I do now when I do a fresh install of ubuntu is to setup the windows key on my keyboard to open a terminal through the shortcuts menu .
It is SO satisfying to know that no matter what processes are running I can reach in and kill one if necessary , no quibbling .
Daemon be gone !
Yeah FOSS is awesome , but there is a time and place for commercial software and there is nothing wrong with getting paid for your efforts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amen to that!
I was a computer science major once, I dropped out to pursue a music career (I was 18 at the time, I wish I could go back in time and kick my own ass, but I digress)  I came out to the west coast to rekindle my interest in coding got a job in the tail of the dot com bubble and bust, and when the dust settled and I was collecting unemployment I started checking out Suse and Red Hat and I found that linux was frankly a pain in the ass after several attempts of compiling kernels and drivers, even with a modicum of technical experience.like I had I went back to using windows.
A few years later I kept hearing about Ubuntu and after one too many installs of XP that didn't work and one too many viruses and all the bad press about Vista ( and being a struggling artist = no money) I decided to chuck it and try Ubuntu.
I held my breath and did a clean install.
It was a little bit rough figuring out xorg.conf and getting audio to work (I have high technical demands for that), but Ubuntu has been overall great.
I have since dedicated myself to learning everything I can about system admin and bash, the last tech gig I had the guy couldn't believe how I "flowed through bash"  I can certainly attest to the fact that Ubuntu made it a logical and well designed environment to just run out of the box.
Unless you are a techie it wouldn't have made sense before now.
I am now an unabashed fanboy,  though I still cheat and use microsoft products from time to time (Like this xp laptop, although it's days are numbered... in my defense all the asus linux netbooks were sold out when I bought this computer)

The first thing I do now when I do a fresh install of ubuntu is to setup the windows key on my keyboard to open a terminal through the shortcuts menu.
It is SO satisfying to know that no matter what processes are running I can reach in and kill one if necessary, no quibbling.
Daemon be gone!
Yeah FOSS is awesome, but there is a time and place for commercial software and there is nothing wrong with getting paid for your efforts.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Call Wine One One and get a wambulance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264106700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yes, this is the ultimate failure of FOSS, and what is really holding them back.  Writing a kernal is easy, making a GUI that makes sense is hard.  Code monkey's like writing code.  They don't like writing useful help files, or naming their functions in ways that make sense.  The people who know how to design software well are well paid and have access to resources (focus groups, testing labs, etc) that FOSS cannot offer them at this point.</p><p>Also, the constantly fracturing of the community is holding it back.  Ubuntu is helping, but what they need to do is get software developers for Linux on board with a particular distro.  For example, I needed to run a genome assembly program for my research.  This software was only available on Linux, so I installed Ubuntu.  Software is missing some strange library.  After a day of figuring what to do, I spent another morning trying to edit the strange config file to get this library loaded.  Actually though, it was the wrong version of the library.  The software requires something which has been removed from the current version.  So I need an older version, I try again, still won't work.</p><p>Eventually I found the "biolinux" distro which had the software on it and all the library's etc to make it work.  The distro itself is slightly harder to use though.</p><p>I've had this problem before and since.  Luckily for me for all of these applications I've been able to find a distro where it comes preinstalled and ready to go.</p><p>I have found that even the most strange and hacky windows software (which a lot of science software can be) NEVER has this problem.  Software people KNOW what kinds of libraries etc are part of windows.  Not so for the infinite varieties and flavors of Linux.  Much less, there is no common way for this software to find out what it needs and download/install it.  Linux people operate under the assumption that everyone who uses it is not only tech savvy (which i am) but extremely familiar with even the most obscure details of software.</p><p>I think the linux community should make a cross-distro "App Store" which will allow regular-folk users to get software and have it install and work correctly in the most transparent way possible.  more than that though, they need to get their developers to use it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yes , this is the ultimate failure of FOSS , and what is really holding them back .
Writing a kernal is easy , making a GUI that makes sense is hard .
Code monkey 's like writing code .
They do n't like writing useful help files , or naming their functions in ways that make sense .
The people who know how to design software well are well paid and have access to resources ( focus groups , testing labs , etc ) that FOSS can not offer them at this point.Also , the constantly fracturing of the community is holding it back .
Ubuntu is helping , but what they need to do is get software developers for Linux on board with a particular distro .
For example , I needed to run a genome assembly program for my research .
This software was only available on Linux , so I installed Ubuntu .
Software is missing some strange library .
After a day of figuring what to do , I spent another morning trying to edit the strange config file to get this library loaded .
Actually though , it was the wrong version of the library .
The software requires something which has been removed from the current version .
So I need an older version , I try again , still wo n't work.Eventually I found the " biolinux " distro which had the software on it and all the library 's etc to make it work .
The distro itself is slightly harder to use though.I 've had this problem before and since .
Luckily for me for all of these applications I 've been able to find a distro where it comes preinstalled and ready to go.I have found that even the most strange and hacky windows software ( which a lot of science software can be ) NEVER has this problem .
Software people KNOW what kinds of libraries etc are part of windows .
Not so for the infinite varieties and flavors of Linux .
Much less , there is no common way for this software to find out what it needs and download/install it .
Linux people operate under the assumption that everyone who uses it is not only tech savvy ( which i am ) but extremely familiar with even the most obscure details of software.I think the linux community should make a cross-distro " App Store " which will allow regular-folk users to get software and have it install and work correctly in the most transparent way possible .
more than that though , they need to get their developers to use it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yes, this is the ultimate failure of FOSS, and what is really holding them back.
Writing a kernal is easy, making a GUI that makes sense is hard.
Code monkey's like writing code.
They don't like writing useful help files, or naming their functions in ways that make sense.
The people who know how to design software well are well paid and have access to resources (focus groups, testing labs, etc) that FOSS cannot offer them at this point.Also, the constantly fracturing of the community is holding it back.
Ubuntu is helping, but what they need to do is get software developers for Linux on board with a particular distro.
For example, I needed to run a genome assembly program for my research.
This software was only available on Linux, so I installed Ubuntu.
Software is missing some strange library.
After a day of figuring what to do, I spent another morning trying to edit the strange config file to get this library loaded.
Actually though, it was the wrong version of the library.
The software requires something which has been removed from the current version.
So I need an older version, I try again, still won't work.Eventually I found the "biolinux" distro which had the software on it and all the library's etc to make it work.
The distro itself is slightly harder to use though.I've had this problem before and since.
Luckily for me for all of these applications I've been able to find a distro where it comes preinstalled and ready to go.I have found that even the most strange and hacky windows software (which a lot of science software can be) NEVER has this problem.
Software people KNOW what kinds of libraries etc are part of windows.
Not so for the infinite varieties and flavors of Linux.
Much less, there is no common way for this software to find out what it needs and download/install it.
Linux people operate under the assumption that everyone who uses it is not only tech savvy (which i am) but extremely familiar with even the most obscure details of software.I think the linux community should make a cross-distro "App Store" which will allow regular-folk users to get software and have it install and work correctly in the most transparent way possible.
more than that though, they need to get their developers to use it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30850926</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>jisatsusha</author>
	<datestamp>1264067280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They can use whatever file format or software they like when producing the work, whatever they're most comfortable with. But when it comes to handing it in for grading, either PDF or printing out a hard copy is the best idea. It's exactly what PDF is designed for, producing a read-only copy with precise definitions for the layout when it's printed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They can use whatever file format or software they like when producing the work , whatever they 're most comfortable with .
But when it comes to handing it in for grading , either PDF or printing out a hard copy is the best idea .
It 's exactly what PDF is designed for , producing a read-only copy with precise definitions for the layout when it 's printed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They can use whatever file format or software they like when producing the work, whatever they're most comfortable with.
But when it comes to handing it in for grading, either PDF or printing out a hard copy is the best idea.
It's exactly what PDF is designed for, producing a read-only copy with precise definitions for the layout when it's printed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848692</id>
	<title>Keep on ranting open source</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264101300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're one the ones who are proving to everyone else that your irrelevant. Keep on crying about Microsoft all you want but they have the job today.<br> <br>I love seeing you guys cry about not making any real headway on the desktop in roughly 20 years. Poor little geeks. Now take your Microsoft bashing security blankets, eat your milk and cookies and go to bed. Sweet dreams.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're one the ones who are proving to everyone else that your irrelevant .
Keep on crying about Microsoft all you want but they have the job today .
I love seeing you guys cry about not making any real headway on the desktop in roughly 20 years .
Poor little geeks .
Now take your Microsoft bashing security blankets , eat your milk and cookies and go to bed .
Sweet dreams .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're one the ones who are proving to everyone else that your irrelevant.
Keep on crying about Microsoft all you want but they have the job today.
I love seeing you guys cry about not making any real headway on the desktop in roughly 20 years.
Poor little geeks.
Now take your Microsoft bashing security blankets, eat your milk and cookies and go to bed.
Sweet dreams.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30849150</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>MattskEE</author>
	<datestamp>1264103520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been a TA for several engineering classes, and I now always ask my students to send me their lab reports in PDF format when they can't turn in a paper copy.  I can use that on any of my computers, I don't have to mess around with the office 2007 formats, and I know that the files won't have weird issues like moving pictures around, or not displaying some, or not printing equations, all of which have happened to me with student work.  And it's dead simple to make a PDF file, whether you use Word, Open Office, LaTeX, etc.  I think even Word now has a direct export option, and there's always the PDF printer drivers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been a TA for several engineering classes , and I now always ask my students to send me their lab reports in PDF format when they ca n't turn in a paper copy .
I can use that on any of my computers , I do n't have to mess around with the office 2007 formats , and I know that the files wo n't have weird issues like moving pictures around , or not displaying some , or not printing equations , all of which have happened to me with student work .
And it 's dead simple to make a PDF file , whether you use Word , Open Office , LaTeX , etc .
I think even Word now has a direct export option , and there 's always the PDF printer drivers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been a TA for several engineering classes, and I now always ask my students to send me their lab reports in PDF format when they can't turn in a paper copy.
I can use that on any of my computers, I don't have to mess around with the office 2007 formats, and I know that the files won't have weird issues like moving pictures around, or not displaying some, or not printing equations, all of which have happened to me with student work.
And it's dead simple to make a PDF file, whether you use Word, Open Office, LaTeX, etc.
I think even Word now has a direct export option, and there's always the PDF printer drivers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30851202</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>PNutts</author>
	<datestamp>1264068060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have a LaTeX fetish. Great. </p><p>The two of you took a stand and how many freshmen roll through every year? (BTW: You would have seen me at least twice.) How many of those had to scramble to find an alternate container? Is that really another layer a freshman needs? Since you expertise is physics... oops... sorry, *computational* physics, maybe the document format crusade should be carried on by, say, the computer department?</p><p>Also, off the top of my head, wasn't the newest Microsoft format released three years ago? And before that? (Sorry, Google is no longer my friend).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have a LaTeX fetish .
Great. The two of you took a stand and how many freshmen roll through every year ?
( BTW : You would have seen me at least twice .
) How many of those had to scramble to find an alternate container ?
Is that really another layer a freshman needs ?
Since you expertise is physics... oops... sorry , * computational * physics , maybe the document format crusade should be carried on by , say , the computer department ? Also , off the top of my head , was n't the newest Microsoft format released three years ago ?
And before that ?
( Sorry , Google is no longer my friend ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have a LaTeX fetish.
Great. The two of you took a stand and how many freshmen roll through every year?
(BTW: You would have seen me at least twice.
) How many of those had to scramble to find an alternate container?
Is that really another layer a freshman needs?
Since you expertise is physics... oops... sorry, *computational* physics, maybe the document format crusade should be carried on by, say, the computer department?Also, off the top of my head, wasn't the newest Microsoft format released three years ago?
And before that?
(Sorry, Google is no longer my friend).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30850210</id>
	<title>Re:Actually it teaches a valuable lesson</title>
	<author>ClosedSource</author>
	<datestamp>1264064760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The vast majority of freshman enter college believing that there a is Microsoft software monoculture."</p><p>The vast majority of freshman entering college would have no idea what a "software monoculture" is - that's just an anti-MS code phrase.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The vast majority of freshman enter college believing that there a is Microsoft software monoculture .
" The vast majority of freshman entering college would have no idea what a " software monoculture " is - that 's just an anti-MS code phrase .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The vast majority of freshman enter college believing that there a is Microsoft software monoculture.
"The vast majority of freshman entering college would have no idea what a "software monoculture" is - that's just an anti-MS code phrase.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848546</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264100580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe they are not in a position to pay for the "privilege" of supporting a closed file format.  Especially considering the current economic climate, I do not see it as unreasonable to ask students to use something that doesn't cost us all money that we really don't have to spend.  There are plenty of alternatives than expecting everyone to use Word.  You are the one that is unreasonable, not this teacher.  I am grateful that I didn't have a teacher like you who forced us to use software that I had to pay for just because you couldn't be bothered to think for yourself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe they are not in a position to pay for the " privilege " of supporting a closed file format .
Especially considering the current economic climate , I do not see it as unreasonable to ask students to use something that does n't cost us all money that we really do n't have to spend .
There are plenty of alternatives than expecting everyone to use Word .
You are the one that is unreasonable , not this teacher .
I am grateful that I did n't have a teacher like you who forced us to use software that I had to pay for just because you could n't be bothered to think for yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe they are not in a position to pay for the "privilege" of supporting a closed file format.
Especially considering the current economic climate, I do not see it as unreasonable to ask students to use something that doesn't cost us all money that we really don't have to spend.
There are plenty of alternatives than expecting everyone to use Word.
You are the one that is unreasonable, not this teacher.
I am grateful that I didn't have a teacher like you who forced us to use software that I had to pay for just because you couldn't be bothered to think for yourself.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30853256</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>steelfood</author>
	<datestamp>1264074420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Academia isn't the real world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Academia is n't the real world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Academia isn't the real world.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847344</id>
	<title>Call Wine One One and get a wambulance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264095840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look this is the real world. If Linux wants respect you can't do it by crying about MS, Google, or any other company.</p><p>Just take the high road, fight the good fight, and take care of business. If open source is truely great it will work out. Don't try and take on MS just write better code and better systems.</p><p>The truth of Linux's and OS adoption is less about MS, and more about the little tweeks to make Linux easier not only for your grandma, but even for techs. Instead of some arbitrary command line arguments to change a driver option...make a check box on a dialog...both side wins. Make a GUI tool to configure Apache. The truth is many technical folks actually want that.</p><p>Let me write a few more...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...You want some wine with that cheese?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...You need some open source vagisil ( can a women please come up with the equivalent for men...).</p><p>Seriuosly can we a baby crying icon for these stories?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look this is the real world .
If Linux wants respect you ca n't do it by crying about MS , Google , or any other company.Just take the high road , fight the good fight , and take care of business .
If open source is truely great it will work out .
Do n't try and take on MS just write better code and better systems.The truth of Linux 's and OS adoption is less about MS , and more about the little tweeks to make Linux easier not only for your grandma , but even for techs .
Instead of some arbitrary command line arguments to change a driver option...make a check box on a dialog...both side wins .
Make a GUI tool to configure Apache .
The truth is many technical folks actually want that.Let me write a few more... ...You want some wine with that cheese ?
...You need some open source vagisil ( can a women please come up with the equivalent for men... ) .Seriuosly can we a baby crying icon for these stories ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look this is the real world.
If Linux wants respect you can't do it by crying about MS, Google, or any other company.Just take the high road, fight the good fight, and take care of business.
If open source is truely great it will work out.
Don't try and take on MS just write better code and better systems.The truth of Linux's and OS adoption is less about MS, and more about the little tweeks to make Linux easier not only for your grandma, but even for techs.
Instead of some arbitrary command line arguments to change a driver option...make a check box on a dialog...both side wins.
Make a GUI tool to configure Apache.
The truth is many technical folks actually want that.Let me write a few more... ...You want some wine with that cheese?
...You need some open source vagisil ( can a women please come up with the equivalent for men...).Seriuosly can we a baby crying icon for these stories?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847252</id>
	<title>Turning an elephant?</title>
	<author>gnarlyhotep</author>
	<datestamp>1264095480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is this some new cleric ability in D&amp;D 4.0?  Back in my day clerics could only turn undead.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this some new cleric ability in D&amp;D 4.0 ?
Back in my day clerics could only turn undead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this some new cleric ability in D&amp;D 4.0?
Back in my day clerics could only turn undead.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30856882</id>
	<title>Re:FLOSS Community Is Their Own Worst Enemy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264102020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is where MS definitely have the upper hand. MS has a finely tuned and funded PR machine which deal with the same questions everyday from laymen/newbies/general public and manages to give a friendly face.</p><p>If only a few Linux apologists could get together to form a Linux PR organization to deal with legitimate criticism/end user experiences/obvious questions Linux may well scare fewer people off.</p><p>Remember when you first learned division and asked what "x/0" was? That is obvious, but mathematics teachers hear it every day. Linux may be obvious to you, but others have never encountered many of the things in Linux. Don't criticize that, take it as an opportunity to plant a friendly perspective on Linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is where MS definitely have the upper hand .
MS has a finely tuned and funded PR machine which deal with the same questions everyday from laymen/newbies/general public and manages to give a friendly face.If only a few Linux apologists could get together to form a Linux PR organization to deal with legitimate criticism/end user experiences/obvious questions Linux may well scare fewer people off.Remember when you first learned division and asked what " x/0 " was ?
That is obvious , but mathematics teachers hear it every day .
Linux may be obvious to you , but others have never encountered many of the things in Linux .
Do n't criticize that , take it as an opportunity to plant a friendly perspective on Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is where MS definitely have the upper hand.
MS has a finely tuned and funded PR machine which deal with the same questions everyday from laymen/newbies/general public and manages to give a friendly face.If only a few Linux apologists could get together to form a Linux PR organization to deal with legitimate criticism/end user experiences/obvious questions Linux may well scare fewer people off.Remember when you first learned division and asked what "x/0" was?
That is obvious, but mathematics teachers hear it every day.
Linux may be obvious to you, but others have never encountered many of the things in Linux.
Don't criticize that, take it as an opportunity to plant a friendly perspective on Linux.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30849706</id>
	<title>Re:Flamebait of a story</title>
	<author>grcumb</author>
	<datestamp>1264105800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This demagogue is appealing to a cult of automated Microsoft haters as a Google employee.
How do you moderate a story Flamebait?</p></div><p>I was at the talk and I can assure you that he was anything but demagogic in his delivery. He drew a strong distinction between Microsoft employees and the corporation as a whole. He was nuanced in his views and he stated emphatically (not less than twice) at the outset that the talk was not santioned in any way, shape or form by Google.</p><p>If any Microsoft-hater was looking for ammunition, they could derive a little comfort from some of the things he said, but one of his key points was that Microsoft is not monolithic, nor was it deliberately evil. He even refused to lay the blame for the TomTom patent suit at Ballmer's feet. That said, some camps within Microsoft still see desktop domination as their only chance of survival, and he predicted that patent suits would be used in a scorched earth campaign to scare people away from FOSS. Given the Tivo suit that was announced here on Slashdot less than an hour after he'd finished speaking, I'd say the facts bear him out.</p><p>If his story deserves anything, it's a +1 Insightful/Informative.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This demagogue is appealing to a cult of automated Microsoft haters as a Google employee .
How do you moderate a story Flamebait ? I was at the talk and I can assure you that he was anything but demagogic in his delivery .
He drew a strong distinction between Microsoft employees and the corporation as a whole .
He was nuanced in his views and he stated emphatically ( not less than twice ) at the outset that the talk was not santioned in any way , shape or form by Google.If any Microsoft-hater was looking for ammunition , they could derive a little comfort from some of the things he said , but one of his key points was that Microsoft is not monolithic , nor was it deliberately evil .
He even refused to lay the blame for the TomTom patent suit at Ballmer 's feet .
That said , some camps within Microsoft still see desktop domination as their only chance of survival , and he predicted that patent suits would be used in a scorched earth campaign to scare people away from FOSS .
Given the Tivo suit that was announced here on Slashdot less than an hour after he 'd finished speaking , I 'd say the facts bear him out.If his story deserves anything , it 's a + 1 Insightful/Informative .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This demagogue is appealing to a cult of automated Microsoft haters as a Google employee.
How do you moderate a story Flamebait?I was at the talk and I can assure you that he was anything but demagogic in his delivery.
He drew a strong distinction between Microsoft employees and the corporation as a whole.
He was nuanced in his views and he stated emphatically (not less than twice) at the outset that the talk was not santioned in any way, shape or form by Google.If any Microsoft-hater was looking for ammunition, they could derive a little comfort from some of the things he said, but one of his key points was that Microsoft is not monolithic, nor was it deliberately evil.
He even refused to lay the blame for the TomTom patent suit at Ballmer's feet.
That said, some camps within Microsoft still see desktop domination as their only chance of survival, and he predicted that patent suits would be used in a scorched earth campaign to scare people away from FOSS.
Given the Tivo suit that was announced here on Slashdot less than an hour after he'd finished speaking, I'd say the facts bear him out.If his story deserves anything, it's a +1 Insightful/Informative.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30855410</id>
	<title>Re:A rebuttal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264086540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> call Microsoft a small, fluffy, harmless kitten that needs to be pelted.</p><p>There, fixed that for you...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>call Microsoft a small , fluffy , harmless kitten that needs to be pelted.There , fixed that for you.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> call Microsoft a small, fluffy, harmless kitten that needs to be pelted.There, fixed that for you...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30849086</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1264103220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More instructors like you are sorely needed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More instructors like you are sorely needed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More instructors like you are sorely needed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30852454</id>
	<title>How? Simple.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264071780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're thinking about doing<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. like M$ did ISO.</p><p>Don't worry, it's already being done...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're thinking about doing / .
like M $ did ISO.Do n't worry , it 's already being done.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're thinking about doing /.
like M$ did ISO.Don't worry, it's already being done...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30853490</id>
	<title>"Security by Obscurity" = *NIX variants' best pal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264075440000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><div class="quote"><p><b>" Some woman was proud of her new netbook that she had to buy because her old laptop had too many windows virusses to run (fast) any more."</b> - by JustNiz (692889) on Thursday January 21, @01:37PM (#30848950)</p></div><p>Ok, you're OBVIOUSLY part of what I have LONG been calling "the 'Pro-*NIX crew'" around here on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... &amp; to be fair about it? Yes, Linux has come a LONG ways (since I first tried it in Slackware 1.02 iirc, circa 1993) &amp; MacOS X is a HUGE improvement on System9 on macs, this is also certain.</p><p>HOWEVER:</p><p>Well, when *NIX variants have 95\% or better of the PC market, &amp; as far as security?</p><p>Then it is going to be a DIFFERENT STORY, this much you can be certain of...</p><p>HOWEVER, on that note? Well- <b>The only thing is, I keep hearing</b> (especially here, lol) <b>"this is the year of [insert *NIX variant here]", for oh, only around 5++ yrs. of my hanging around here is all</b>...</p><p>Yes, that *NIX of mine includes LINUX, BSD's (like MacOS X), etc. et al) - &amp; IF that ever does "go down", well... I think the *NIX crew is in for a bit of a surprise!</p><p><b>(Simply because, per my subject-line above? Well - The REAL thing keeping MacOS X &amp;/or Linux for example, 'safe', is "Security-By-Obscurity", &amp; the fact that online criminals are just like ANY OTHER CRIMINALS: They gather where the most OTHERS gather, to maximize their surface area of attack - &amp; guess where THAT is, online? Yes, that's right - Windows).</b></p><p>Windows has what? Roughly a 95\% share of market out there for personal computing approximately?</p><p>Well - that "all said &amp; aside", <b>what do you REALLY think goes through the mind of those doing the attacking</b> (when they want to "hit" as many people as they can to victimize them, and maximize their criminal enterprise's profits)<b>??</b></p><p><b>I.E.-&gt; "LET'S ATTACK WINDOWS, IT IS THE MOST USED! WE WILL GET THE 'MOST MILEAGE OUT OF OUR ATTACK CODE' THAT WAY..."</b></p><p>So, they write their (for example) javascript code to attack Windows &amp; its surrounding apps...</p><p>----</p><div class="quote"><p><b>"Linux needs to be shoved into the public perception through the TV and media at least as hard and frequently as Microsoft do with their products"</b> - by JustNiz (692889) on Thursday January 21, @01:37PM (#30848950)</p></div><p>Now - <b>YOU MENTIONED USING "THE GOD-ALMIGHT TOOB"</b>... Well, ok:</p><p>For example - <b>The Apple commercials? THEY ARE COMPLETE BULLSHIT, &amp; ANYONE WITH ANY SENSE or KNOW-HOW IN THIS ART &amp; SCIENCE/FIELD OF COMPUTING, REALIZES IT... "Security by Obscurity" is MacOS X &amp; Linux's ally, &amp; that's about it...</b></p><p>(Now, again - Please, don't get me wrong (mainly because your post is NOT of the "trollish ilk", imo @ least): I like MacOS X, &amp; Linux, as much as the next guy (they work, they are well-done by this point, &amp; in general are as much a pleasure to use as Windows is)... but, I don't like hearing a bunch of misinforming market-speak bullshit lies, either).</p><p>HOWEVER:</p><p><b>IF ANYONE HERE TRIES TO TELL MYSELF OR OTHERS THAT IT'S "IMPOSSIBLE TO WRITE A VIRUS/WORM/TROJAN/SPYWARE/MALWARE-IN-GENERAL FOR LINUX or MAC OS X, THEN I SUGGEST THEY REALIZE THAT JAVASCRIPT</b> (the main tool used to attack others online via webbrowsers &amp; email programs as of the past 5++ yrs. now) <b>RUNS ON THEIR OS' TOO... &amp; THUS, THEY ARE JUST AS ATTACKABLE AS WINDOWS IS... EASILY!</b></p><p>APK</p><p>P.S.=&gt; Once more, for "reinforcement" on this note, per my subject-line? <b>"Security-By-Obscurity" is the only so-called "security-advantage" that the *NIX variants on PC's have, &amp; it's also their biggest enemy too</b> (sales &amp; market share, anyone?)... apk</p></div>
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<tokenext>" Some woman was proud of her new netbook that she had to buy because her old laptop had too many windows virusses to run ( fast ) any more .
" - by JustNiz ( 692889 ) on Thursday January 21 , @ 01 : 37PM ( # 30848950 ) Ok , you 're OBVIOUSLY part of what I have LONG been calling " the 'Pro- * NIX crew ' " around here on / .
... &amp; to be fair about it ?
Yes , Linux has come a LONG ways ( since I first tried it in Slackware 1.02 iirc , circa 1993 ) &amp; MacOS X is a HUGE improvement on System9 on macs , this is also certain.HOWEVER : Well , when * NIX variants have 95 \ % or better of the PC market , &amp; as far as security ? Then it is going to be a DIFFERENT STORY , this much you can be certain of...HOWEVER , on that note ?
Well- The only thing is , I keep hearing ( especially here , lol ) " this is the year of [ insert * NIX variant here ] " , for oh , only around 5 + + yrs .
of my hanging around here is all...Yes , that * NIX of mine includes LINUX , BSD 's ( like MacOS X ) , etc .
et al ) - &amp; IF that ever does " go down " , well... I think the * NIX crew is in for a bit of a surprise !
( Simply because , per my subject-line above ?
Well - The REAL thing keeping MacOS X &amp;/or Linux for example , 'safe ' , is " Security-By-Obscurity " , &amp; the fact that online criminals are just like ANY OTHER CRIMINALS : They gather where the most OTHERS gather , to maximize their surface area of attack - &amp; guess where THAT is , online ?
Yes , that 's right - Windows ) .Windows has what ?
Roughly a 95 \ % share of market out there for personal computing approximately ? Well - that " all said &amp; aside " , what do you REALLY think goes through the mind of those doing the attacking ( when they want to " hit " as many people as they can to victimize them , and maximize their criminal enterprise 's profits ) ?
? I.E.- &gt; " LET 'S ATTACK WINDOWS , IT IS THE MOST USED !
WE WILL GET THE 'MOST MILEAGE OUT OF OUR ATTACK CODE ' THAT WAY... " So , they write their ( for example ) javascript code to attack Windows &amp; its surrounding apps...---- " Linux needs to be shoved into the public perception through the TV and media at least as hard and frequently as Microsoft do with their products " - by JustNiz ( 692889 ) on Thursday January 21 , @ 01 : 37PM ( # 30848950 ) Now - YOU MENTIONED USING " THE GOD-ALMIGHT TOOB " ... Well , ok : For example - The Apple commercials ?
THEY ARE COMPLETE BULLSHIT , &amp; ANYONE WITH ANY SENSE or KNOW-HOW IN THIS ART &amp; SCIENCE/FIELD OF COMPUTING , REALIZES IT... " Security by Obscurity " is MacOS X &amp; Linux 's ally , &amp; that 's about it... ( Now , again - Please , do n't get me wrong ( mainly because your post is NOT of the " trollish ilk " , imo @ least ) : I like MacOS X , &amp; Linux , as much as the next guy ( they work , they are well-done by this point , &amp; in general are as much a pleasure to use as Windows is ) ... but , I do n't like hearing a bunch of misinforming market-speak bullshit lies , either ) .HOWEVER : IF ANYONE HERE TRIES TO TELL MYSELF OR OTHERS THAT IT 'S " IMPOSSIBLE TO WRITE A VIRUS/WORM/TROJAN/SPYWARE/MALWARE-IN-GENERAL FOR LINUX or MAC OS X , THEN I SUGGEST THEY REALIZE THAT JAVASCRIPT ( the main tool used to attack others online via webbrowsers &amp; email programs as of the past 5 + + yrs .
now ) RUNS ON THEIR OS ' TOO... &amp; THUS , THEY ARE JUST AS ATTACKABLE AS WINDOWS IS... EASILY ! APKP.S. = &gt; Once more , for " reinforcement " on this note , per my subject-line ?
" Security-By-Obscurity " is the only so-called " security-advantage " that the * NIX variants on PC 's have , &amp; it 's also their biggest enemy too ( sales &amp; market share , anyone ? ) .. .
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<sentencetext>" Some woman was proud of her new netbook that she had to buy because her old laptop had too many windows virusses to run (fast) any more.
" - by JustNiz (692889) on Thursday January 21, @01:37PM (#30848950)Ok, you're OBVIOUSLY part of what I have LONG been calling "the 'Pro-*NIX crew'" around here on /.
... &amp; to be fair about it?
Yes, Linux has come a LONG ways (since I first tried it in Slackware 1.02 iirc, circa 1993) &amp; MacOS X is a HUGE improvement on System9 on macs, this is also certain.HOWEVER:Well, when *NIX variants have 95\% or better of the PC market, &amp; as far as security?Then it is going to be a DIFFERENT STORY, this much you can be certain of...HOWEVER, on that note?
Well- The only thing is, I keep hearing (especially here, lol) "this is the year of [insert *NIX variant here]", for oh, only around 5++ yrs.
of my hanging around here is all...Yes, that *NIX of mine includes LINUX, BSD's (like MacOS X), etc.
et al) - &amp; IF that ever does "go down", well... I think the *NIX crew is in for a bit of a surprise!
(Simply because, per my subject-line above?
Well - The REAL thing keeping MacOS X &amp;/or Linux for example, 'safe', is "Security-By-Obscurity", &amp; the fact that online criminals are just like ANY OTHER CRIMINALS: They gather where the most OTHERS gather, to maximize their surface area of attack - &amp; guess where THAT is, online?
Yes, that's right - Windows).Windows has what?
Roughly a 95\% share of market out there for personal computing approximately?Well - that "all said &amp; aside", what do you REALLY think goes through the mind of those doing the attacking (when they want to "hit" as many people as they can to victimize them, and maximize their criminal enterprise's profits)?
?I.E.-&gt; "LET'S ATTACK WINDOWS, IT IS THE MOST USED!
WE WILL GET THE 'MOST MILEAGE OUT OF OUR ATTACK CODE' THAT WAY..."So, they write their (for example) javascript code to attack Windows &amp; its surrounding apps...----"Linux needs to be shoved into the public perception through the TV and media at least as hard and frequently as Microsoft do with their products" - by JustNiz (692889) on Thursday January 21, @01:37PM (#30848950)Now - YOU MENTIONED USING "THE GOD-ALMIGHT TOOB"... Well, ok:For example - The Apple commercials?
THEY ARE COMPLETE BULLSHIT, &amp; ANYONE WITH ANY SENSE or KNOW-HOW IN THIS ART &amp; SCIENCE/FIELD OF COMPUTING, REALIZES IT... "Security by Obscurity" is MacOS X &amp; Linux's ally, &amp; that's about it...(Now, again - Please, don't get me wrong (mainly because your post is NOT of the "trollish ilk", imo @ least): I like MacOS X, &amp; Linux, as much as the next guy (they work, they are well-done by this point, &amp; in general are as much a pleasure to use as Windows is)... but, I don't like hearing a bunch of misinforming market-speak bullshit lies, either).HOWEVER:IF ANYONE HERE TRIES TO TELL MYSELF OR OTHERS THAT IT'S "IMPOSSIBLE TO WRITE A VIRUS/WORM/TROJAN/SPYWARE/MALWARE-IN-GENERAL FOR LINUX or MAC OS X, THEN I SUGGEST THEY REALIZE THAT JAVASCRIPT (the main tool used to attack others online via webbrowsers &amp; email programs as of the past 5++ yrs.
now) RUNS ON THEIR OS' TOO... &amp; THUS, THEY ARE JUST AS ATTACKABLE AS WINDOWS IS... EASILY!APKP.S.=&gt; Once more, for "reinforcement" on this note, per my subject-line?
"Security-By-Obscurity" is the only so-called "security-advantage" that the *NIX variants on PC's have, &amp; it's also their biggest enemy too (sales &amp; market share, anyone?)...
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	<title>It wouldn't be a problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264094460000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>It wouldn't be a problem if the FLOSS community would stop stealing from legitimate patents holders. I know you FLOSS developers are busting your ass, writing code, and what not and not getting paid for it, but.....God! What a bunch of losers!</p><p>How about inventing something of your own instead of stealing ideas from others! </p><p>If you were any good you'd be getting paid for what you're doing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would n't be a problem if the FLOSS community would stop stealing from legitimate patents holders .
I know you FLOSS developers are busting your ass , writing code , and what not and not getting paid for it , but.....God !
What a bunch of losers ! How about inventing something of your own instead of stealing ideas from others !
If you were any good you 'd be getting paid for what you 're doing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It wouldn't be a problem if the FLOSS community would stop stealing from legitimate patents holders.
I know you FLOSS developers are busting your ass, writing code, and what not and not getting paid for it, but.....God!
What a bunch of losers!How about inventing something of your own instead of stealing ideas from others!
If you were any good you'd be getting paid for what you're doing.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264096320000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I teach a computational physics class for freshmen.</p><p>When I was going over our syllabus, I said: "Email your homework here. Don't send us Microsoft Word documents. My TA and I don't have Word, we're probably not on a computer that does when we grade your homework, and we can't be arsed to go find a decoder for whatever the newest obscure Microsoft format is."</p><p>The students were shocked -- you don't have Word? Really? How is this possible? (Answer: LaTeX.)</p><p>(Except for the one guy with the Ubuntu laptop, in the back, who chuckled...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I teach a computational physics class for freshmen.When I was going over our syllabus , I said : " Email your homework here .
Do n't send us Microsoft Word documents .
My TA and I do n't have Word , we 're probably not on a computer that does when we grade your homework , and we ca n't be arsed to go find a decoder for whatever the newest obscure Microsoft format is .
" The students were shocked -- you do n't have Word ?
Really ? How is this possible ?
( Answer : LaTeX .
) ( Except for the one guy with the Ubuntu laptop , in the back , who chuckled... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I teach a computational physics class for freshmen.When I was going over our syllabus, I said: "Email your homework here.
Don't send us Microsoft Word documents.
My TA and I don't have Word, we're probably not on a computer that does when we grade your homework, and we can't be arsed to go find a decoder for whatever the newest obscure Microsoft format is.
"The students were shocked -- you don't have Word?
Really? How is this possible?
(Answer: LaTeX.
)(Except for the one guy with the Ubuntu laptop, in the back, who chuckled...)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30881756</id>
	<title>Re:Why we can't compete with crappy MS products</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264325280000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>You mean to say there are various reasons that Linux is not yet fully embranced as a mainstream product. The problem is that most developers bicker over their private idea of why this is such and so, one mentions advertising, the other games, the other driver support, another will mention it's patents and businesses. All reasons are probably equally valid, and the only solution is to slowly solve these problems. We see that Firefox has made a dent in the browser market and Microsoft becomes unable to enforce a lock, we see certain governments starting to use open document formats and the EU mandating things in order to slowly unchain the horrible mess.</p><p>Because that's what it is, messy, without a single way to untangle it; it's related to a whole lot more than what's mentioned above.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean to say there are various reasons that Linux is not yet fully embranced as a mainstream product .
The problem is that most developers bicker over their private idea of why this is such and so , one mentions advertising , the other games , the other driver support , another will mention it 's patents and businesses .
All reasons are probably equally valid , and the only solution is to slowly solve these problems .
We see that Firefox has made a dent in the browser market and Microsoft becomes unable to enforce a lock , we see certain governments starting to use open document formats and the EU mandating things in order to slowly unchain the horrible mess.Because that 's what it is , messy , without a single way to untangle it ; it 's related to a whole lot more than what 's mentioned above .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean to say there are various reasons that Linux is not yet fully embranced as a mainstream product.
The problem is that most developers bicker over their private idea of why this is such and so, one mentions advertising, the other games, the other driver support, another will mention it's patents and businesses.
All reasons are probably equally valid, and the only solution is to slowly solve these problems.
We see that Firefox has made a dent in the browser market and Microsoft becomes unable to enforce a lock, we see certain governments starting to use open document formats and the EU mandating things in order to slowly unchain the horrible mess.Because that's what it is, messy, without a single way to untangle it; it's related to a whole lot more than what's mentioned above.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Absolutely.</title>
	<author>jensend</author>
	<datestamp>1264069320000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>My first Linux install was RH 5.1; it was a bit of a bumpy ride getting X to work, and there were some other issues, so I didn't do much with it- just stuck to Windows. I tried again a year later, and RH 6.x was much better- the 2.2 kernel series made a big difference, GNOME was new and exciting, most things just worked, etc. I did more dual-booting and thought that surely the pace of improvement would make it so after the next release or two I'd always be booting into Linux. But from my point of view the past decade brought very little improvement in making Linux more palatable to use- in some ways it's worse now than it was in 2000.</p><p>As someone else mentioned, the purism issues and the hostility towards those developing proprietary software for Linux have been a major detriment. Plenty of old programs that worked well and shipped with earlier distros but had not-quite-free licenses (many of which used Xt or Motif) have just recently started to get decent RMS-approved replacements. In 1999-2000, with Corel making a serious WordPerfect for Linux push, Loki doing ports of most of the biggest games, etc. it looked like a market for consumer Linux software was developing, and I thought that it wouldn't be long before one could find Linux versions of most software on the shelves of box stores. Piracy, hostility towards those developing proprietary software for Linux, ABI churn, Loki going nova, the end of RH's commercial desktop distro (after a couple of less-than-stellar releases), and other factors scared developers away.</p><p>Usability is little better than it was then. Having a cadre of self-proclaimed UI experts arguing about button order doesn't help anything, and many of the actions that have been taken in the name of usability have been major steps backward (GNOME 2.0, anybody?). While there are things to be learned from real, long term usability studies, it's counterproductive to make changes based on an assumption that all users are stupid and thus can't be trusted to do anything outside of the most common tasks or on the basis of what someone unacquainted with the software said in their first 5 minutes of trying to familiarize themselves with it.</p><p>It'll be interesting to see what happens with Chrome OS. It's possible that a company the size of Google will be able to overcome the worst offenses of the modern Linux desktop scene and create a viable ecosystem for the development of 3rd-party consumer software, taking the good points of how Apple made a similar move in the OS X transition while keeping things more open than Apple has. I don't know that any other company or group is really in a position to bring Linux to desktop relevance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My first Linux install was RH 5.1 ; it was a bit of a bumpy ride getting X to work , and there were some other issues , so I did n't do much with it- just stuck to Windows .
I tried again a year later , and RH 6.x was much better- the 2.2 kernel series made a big difference , GNOME was new and exciting , most things just worked , etc .
I did more dual-booting and thought that surely the pace of improvement would make it so after the next release or two I 'd always be booting into Linux .
But from my point of view the past decade brought very little improvement in making Linux more palatable to use- in some ways it 's worse now than it was in 2000.As someone else mentioned , the purism issues and the hostility towards those developing proprietary software for Linux have been a major detriment .
Plenty of old programs that worked well and shipped with earlier distros but had not-quite-free licenses ( many of which used Xt or Motif ) have just recently started to get decent RMS-approved replacements .
In 1999-2000 , with Corel making a serious WordPerfect for Linux push , Loki doing ports of most of the biggest games , etc .
it looked like a market for consumer Linux software was developing , and I thought that it would n't be long before one could find Linux versions of most software on the shelves of box stores .
Piracy , hostility towards those developing proprietary software for Linux , ABI churn , Loki going nova , the end of RH 's commercial desktop distro ( after a couple of less-than-stellar releases ) , and other factors scared developers away.Usability is little better than it was then .
Having a cadre of self-proclaimed UI experts arguing about button order does n't help anything , and many of the actions that have been taken in the name of usability have been major steps backward ( GNOME 2.0 , anybody ? ) .
While there are things to be learned from real , long term usability studies , it 's counterproductive to make changes based on an assumption that all users are stupid and thus ca n't be trusted to do anything outside of the most common tasks or on the basis of what someone unacquainted with the software said in their first 5 minutes of trying to familiarize themselves with it.It 'll be interesting to see what happens with Chrome OS .
It 's possible that a company the size of Google will be able to overcome the worst offenses of the modern Linux desktop scene and create a viable ecosystem for the development of 3rd-party consumer software , taking the good points of how Apple made a similar move in the OS X transition while keeping things more open than Apple has .
I do n't know that any other company or group is really in a position to bring Linux to desktop relevance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My first Linux install was RH 5.1; it was a bit of a bumpy ride getting X to work, and there were some other issues, so I didn't do much with it- just stuck to Windows.
I tried again a year later, and RH 6.x was much better- the 2.2 kernel series made a big difference, GNOME was new and exciting, most things just worked, etc.
I did more dual-booting and thought that surely the pace of improvement would make it so after the next release or two I'd always be booting into Linux.
But from my point of view the past decade brought very little improvement in making Linux more palatable to use- in some ways it's worse now than it was in 2000.As someone else mentioned, the purism issues and the hostility towards those developing proprietary software for Linux have been a major detriment.
Plenty of old programs that worked well and shipped with earlier distros but had not-quite-free licenses (many of which used Xt or Motif) have just recently started to get decent RMS-approved replacements.
In 1999-2000, with Corel making a serious WordPerfect for Linux push, Loki doing ports of most of the biggest games, etc.
it looked like a market for consumer Linux software was developing, and I thought that it wouldn't be long before one could find Linux versions of most software on the shelves of box stores.
Piracy, hostility towards those developing proprietary software for Linux, ABI churn, Loki going nova, the end of RH's commercial desktop distro (after a couple of less-than-stellar releases), and other factors scared developers away.Usability is little better than it was then.
Having a cadre of self-proclaimed UI experts arguing about button order doesn't help anything, and many of the actions that have been taken in the name of usability have been major steps backward (GNOME 2.0, anybody?).
While there are things to be learned from real, long term usability studies, it's counterproductive to make changes based on an assumption that all users are stupid and thus can't be trusted to do anything outside of the most common tasks or on the basis of what someone unacquainted with the software said in their first 5 minutes of trying to familiarize themselves with it.It'll be interesting to see what happens with Chrome OS.
It's possible that a company the size of Google will be able to overcome the worst offenses of the modern Linux desktop scene and create a viable ecosystem for the development of 3rd-party consumer software, taking the good points of how Apple made a similar move in the OS X transition while keeping things more open than Apple has.
I don't know that any other company or group is really in a position to bring Linux to desktop relevance.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Microsoft is a zombie</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264097700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ever since Bill Gates left, and possibly a while longer \_causing\_ him to leave, Microsoft has been a symbol of whats wrong with the economy. Company gets built around an innovative idea by a bunch of enthusiastic experts, grows big because it actually sells useful products that make peoples lives easier. Then it all goes awry, clueless MBA types (hi Ballmer) take over pushed forward by vulture capitalists, monetizing, marketing, market share hogging and patent litigations take over the core business of making useful stuff and the company turns into yet another corporate zombie.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ever since Bill Gates left , and possibly a while longer \ _causing \ _ him to leave , Microsoft has been a symbol of whats wrong with the economy .
Company gets built around an innovative idea by a bunch of enthusiastic experts , grows big because it actually sells useful products that make peoples lives easier .
Then it all goes awry , clueless MBA types ( hi Ballmer ) take over pushed forward by vulture capitalists , monetizing , marketing , market share hogging and patent litigations take over the core business of making useful stuff and the company turns into yet another corporate zombie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ever since Bill Gates left, and possibly a while longer \_causing\_ him to leave, Microsoft has been a symbol of whats wrong with the economy.
Company gets built around an innovative idea by a bunch of enthusiastic experts, grows big because it actually sells useful products that make peoples lives easier.
Then it all goes awry, clueless MBA types (hi Ballmer) take over pushed forward by vulture capitalists, monetizing, marketing, market share hogging and patent litigations take over the core business of making useful stuff and the company turns into yet another corporate zombie.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848336</id>
	<title>This just in - teachers can be assholes</title>
	<author>ClosedSource</author>
	<datestamp>1264099740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Yes, like many academics you like to demonstrate to your students that you are superior and in charge. There's no significant difference between you and the other guy who won't accept anything from his students that isn't in Word format.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , like many academics you like to demonstrate to your students that you are superior and in charge .
There 's no significant difference between you and the other guy who wo n't accept anything from his students that is n't in Word format .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, like many academics you like to demonstrate to your students that you are superior and in charge.
There's no significant difference between you and the other guy who won't accept anything from his students that isn't in Word format.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848412</id>
	<title>Re:FLOSS Community Is Their Own Worst Enemy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264100040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>billions of FLOSS company dollars going to enterprise systems buyouts and kernel hacker salaries instead of high quality user testing labs </p></div><p>Would you like to take a guess at the market for a good kernel that runs on everything from embedded systems to enterprise servers to supercomputers , vs the market for desktop users that want a shiny GUI?</p><p>I'd like to hazard a guess that a few companies will pay a lot more money for a good kernel that is optimized to run exactly what they need it to, than will all the users who use a shiny GUI.</p><p>That's not to say your other points shouldn't be addressed, but in this case, I suspect the real market is the business that needs a kickass kernel/OS, not the run-of-the-mill end user, and the money and effort goes where the market is.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>billions of FLOSS company dollars going to enterprise systems buyouts and kernel hacker salaries instead of high quality user testing labs Would you like to take a guess at the market for a good kernel that runs on everything from embedded systems to enterprise servers to supercomputers , vs the market for desktop users that want a shiny GUI ? I 'd like to hazard a guess that a few companies will pay a lot more money for a good kernel that is optimized to run exactly what they need it to , than will all the users who use a shiny GUI.That 's not to say your other points should n't be addressed , but in this case , I suspect the real market is the business that needs a kickass kernel/OS , not the run-of-the-mill end user , and the money and effort goes where the market is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>billions of FLOSS company dollars going to enterprise systems buyouts and kernel hacker salaries instead of high quality user testing labs Would you like to take a guess at the market for a good kernel that runs on everything from embedded systems to enterprise servers to supercomputers , vs the market for desktop users that want a shiny GUI?I'd like to hazard a guess that a few companies will pay a lot more money for a good kernel that is optimized to run exactly what they need it to, than will all the users who use a shiny GUI.That's not to say your other points shouldn't be addressed, but in this case, I suspect the real market is the business that needs a kickass kernel/OS, not the run-of-the-mill end user, and the money and effort goes where the market is.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30849508</id>
	<title>Re:Flamebait of a story</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264104960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uh, how does getting OOXML standard passed hurt GPL advocates?  It hurt the credibility of ISO but didn't affect open source at all.</p><p>I didn't see MS do anything to try to prevent ODF from getting ratified as a standard, either, come to think of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh , how does getting OOXML standard passed hurt GPL advocates ?
It hurt the credibility of ISO but did n't affect open source at all.I did n't see MS do anything to try to prevent ODF from getting ratified as a standard , either , come to think of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh, how does getting OOXML standard passed hurt GPL advocates?
It hurt the credibility of ISO but didn't affect open source at all.I didn't see MS do anything to try to prevent ODF from getting ratified as a standard, either, come to think of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848480</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu and Commercial Software.</title>
	<author>JustNiz</author>
	<datestamp>1264100340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt; get the Windows people over first and once they know what they're doing they can compile their own Gentoo.</p><p>I was in Dennys at the weekend and couldn't help listening to a conversation that was taking place on the table behind me. Some woman was proud of her new netbook that she had to buy because her old laptop had too many virusses to boot any more.</p><p>She represents nearly all people. Most people have already been conditioned by companies like Microsoft, Dell and Apple to view laptops as appliances. They don't even want to know that the operating system is an independently (re)installable.</p><p>Also, most people know the windows environment, and even a slightly different desktop menu layout or whatever is enough to make them feel uncomfortable enough not to go further. Expecting people like this to ever want to get involved enough to compile their own gentoo is beyond sense. They just want it to plug and play. When it doesn't, in their ignorance they throw it away and buy another laptop.</p><p>The only way to get to those people is to beat Microsoft at being able to plug in any hardware or application and have it just work, which means getting hardware manufacturers and app developers to stop developing stuff for Microsoft-based OS only. As long as hardware suppliers don't provide Linux drivers and games developers still use DirectX and not OpenGL, Linux will never reach the public consciousness.</p><p>Also, most people still aren't even aware of the existence of Linux. We need to stop hoping people will find our community through just being intrinsically better, and start spending money on TV advertising. Linux needs to be shoved into the public perception through the media at least as hard and frequently as Microsoft do with their products in order to reach critical mass where manufacturers have to support it and 'normal' people take it seriously.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; get the Windows people over first and once they know what they 're doing they can compile their own Gentoo.I was in Dennys at the weekend and could n't help listening to a conversation that was taking place on the table behind me .
Some woman was proud of her new netbook that she had to buy because her old laptop had too many virusses to boot any more.She represents nearly all people .
Most people have already been conditioned by companies like Microsoft , Dell and Apple to view laptops as appliances .
They do n't even want to know that the operating system is an independently ( re ) installable.Also , most people know the windows environment , and even a slightly different desktop menu layout or whatever is enough to make them feel uncomfortable enough not to go further .
Expecting people like this to ever want to get involved enough to compile their own gentoo is beyond sense .
They just want it to plug and play .
When it does n't , in their ignorance they throw it away and buy another laptop.The only way to get to those people is to beat Microsoft at being able to plug in any hardware or application and have it just work , which means getting hardware manufacturers and app developers to stop developing stuff for Microsoft-based OS only .
As long as hardware suppliers do n't provide Linux drivers and games developers still use DirectX and not OpenGL , Linux will never reach the public consciousness.Also , most people still are n't even aware of the existence of Linux .
We need to stop hoping people will find our community through just being intrinsically better , and start spending money on TV advertising .
Linux needs to be shoved into the public perception through the media at least as hard and frequently as Microsoft do with their products in order to reach critical mass where manufacturers have to support it and 'normal ' people take it seriously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt; get the Windows people over first and once they know what they're doing they can compile their own Gentoo.I was in Dennys at the weekend and couldn't help listening to a conversation that was taking place on the table behind me.
Some woman was proud of her new netbook that she had to buy because her old laptop had too many virusses to boot any more.She represents nearly all people.
Most people have already been conditioned by companies like Microsoft, Dell and Apple to view laptops as appliances.
They don't even want to know that the operating system is an independently (re)installable.Also, most people know the windows environment, and even a slightly different desktop menu layout or whatever is enough to make them feel uncomfortable enough not to go further.
Expecting people like this to ever want to get involved enough to compile their own gentoo is beyond sense.
They just want it to plug and play.
When it doesn't, in their ignorance they throw it away and buy another laptop.The only way to get to those people is to beat Microsoft at being able to plug in any hardware or application and have it just work, which means getting hardware manufacturers and app developers to stop developing stuff for Microsoft-based OS only.
As long as hardware suppliers don't provide Linux drivers and games developers still use DirectX and not OpenGL, Linux will never reach the public consciousness.Also, most people still aren't even aware of the existence of Linux.
We need to stop hoping people will find our community through just being intrinsically better, and start spending money on TV advertising.
Linux needs to be shoved into the public perception through the media at least as hard and frequently as Microsoft do with their products in order to reach critical mass where manufacturers have to support it and 'normal' people take it seriously.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30849426</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264104660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow. You're the poster-child for neck-bearded freetards in academia.</p><p>Way to set your students up for failure. Please post where you teach, so I'll never send my kids there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow .
You 're the poster-child for neck-bearded freetards in academia.Way to set your students up for failure .
Please post where you teach , so I 'll never send my kids there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow.
You're the poster-child for neck-bearded freetards in academia.Way to set your students up for failure.
Please post where you teach, so I'll never send my kids there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30849058</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264103100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You couldn't be bothered to take the 10 minutes needed to ensure your computer can read one of the most widely used documentation formats around?</p><p>Glad you aren't MY teacher.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could n't be bothered to take the 10 minutes needed to ensure your computer can read one of the most widely used documentation formats around ? Glad you are n't MY teacher .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You couldn't be bothered to take the 10 minutes needed to ensure your computer can read one of the most widely used documentation formats around?Glad you aren't MY teacher.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847292</id>
	<title>...if Microsoft ceased to exist..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264095600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..who would you (the OS crew..) invent then as Our Pantomime Villan?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..who would you ( the OS crew.. ) invent then as Our Pantomime Villan ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..who would you (the OS crew..) invent then as Our Pantomime Villan?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847726</id>
	<title>Jeremy Allison Calls Microsoft Dangerous Elephant</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1264097220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...when all they really wanted was a taxicab!  DrrrTISH!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...when all they really wanted was a taxicab !
DrrrTISH !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...when all they really wanted was a taxicab!
DrrrTISH!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30849736</id>
	<title>Re:Call Wine One One and get a wambulance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264105920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Whatever, industry-relic dinosaur neckbeard.

Good luck getting a job when all you know is Linux, dweeb.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whatever , industry-relic dinosaur neckbeard .
Good luck getting a job when all you know is Linux , dweeb .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whatever, industry-relic dinosaur neckbeard.
Good luck getting a job when all you know is Linux, dweeb.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30849722</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264105860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A plain text file?  HTML?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A plain text file ?
HTML ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A plain text file?
HTML?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847636</id>
	<title>Linux taking on Microsoft :)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264096800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"<i>Just take the high road, fight the good fight, and take care of business<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. Don't try and take on MS just write better code and better systems<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..</i>"<br> <br>

'Linux' isn't trying to take on Microsoft, it's the other way around. A company with a long time enmity towards anything open source and not adverse to using any dirty trick to get its own way.<br> <br>

<a href="http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=2007021720190018" title="groklaw.net" rel="nofollow">Comes v. Microsoft</a> [groklaw.net] <br> <br>

<a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/10/how-microsoft-edgi-works/" title="boycottnovell.com" rel="nofollow">Microsoft EDGI: How It Works</a> [boycottnovell.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Just take the high road , fight the good fight , and take care of business .. Do n't try and take on MS just write better code and better systems .. " 'Linux ' is n't trying to take on Microsoft , it 's the other way around .
A company with a long time enmity towards anything open source and not adverse to using any dirty trick to get its own way .
Comes v. Microsoft [ groklaw.net ] Microsoft EDGI : How It Works [ boycottnovell.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Just take the high road, fight the good fight, and take care of business .. Don't try and take on MS just write better code and better systems .." 

'Linux' isn't trying to take on Microsoft, it's the other way around.
A company with a long time enmity towards anything open source and not adverse to using any dirty trick to get its own way.
Comes v. Microsoft [groklaw.net]  

Microsoft EDGI: How It Works [boycottnovell.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847804</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264097520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, that doesn't work in the real world, in F100 companies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , that does n't work in the real world , in F100 companies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, that doesn't work in the real world, in F100 companies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847312</id>
	<title>Microsoft hater hates on Microsoft</title>
	<author>DaveV1.0</author>
	<datestamp>1264095720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Film at 11!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/sarcasm</p><p>Really, is this actually news?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Film at 11 !
/sarcasmReally , is this actually news ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Film at 11!
/sarcasmReally, is this actually news?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848020</id>
	<title>Re:Call Wine One One and get a wambulance</title>
	<author>mvdwege</author>
	<datestamp>1264098480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p><tt>If Linux wants respect you can't do it by crying about MS, Google, or any other company.</tt></p></div></blockquote><p>Have you ever listened to what your Great Leader Ballmer has said about the competition?</p><p>What is it with these fucking pro-MS concern trolls on Slashdot?</p><p>
Mart</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If Linux wants respect you ca n't do it by crying about MS , Google , or any other company.Have you ever listened to what your Great Leader Ballmer has said about the competition ? What is it with these fucking pro-MS concern trolls on Slashdot ?
Mart</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Linux wants respect you can't do it by crying about MS, Google, or any other company.Have you ever listened to what your Great Leader Ballmer has said about the competition?What is it with these fucking pro-MS concern trolls on Slashdot?
Mart
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30850530</id>
	<title>Re:Call Wine One One and get a wambulance</title>
	<author>Ant P.</author>
	<datestamp>1264065840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So where were you all the times Ballmer was calling FOSS a cancer, a virus and other we-don't-want-to-compete names?</p><p>Ignorant prick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So where were you all the times Ballmer was calling FOSS a cancer , a virus and other we-do n't-want-to-compete names ? Ignorant prick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So where were you all the times Ballmer was calling FOSS a cancer, a virus and other we-don't-want-to-compete names?Ignorant prick.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30849276</id>
	<title>Re:African or Asian?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264104060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History\_of\_elephants\_in\_Europe</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History \ _of \ _elephants \ _in \ _Europe</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History\_of\_elephants\_in\_Europe</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847810</id>
	<title>Re:Flamebait of a story</title>
	<author>poetmatt</author>
	<datestamp>1264097520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what do you call "Subverting an international commitee" (re: OOXML fiasco)? is that flamebait? If so, what isn't flamebait? When GPL advocates just roll over dead? Or when MS's proprietary specifications become world standards at the behest of MS? color me confused.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what do you call " Subverting an international commitee " ( re : OOXML fiasco ) ?
is that flamebait ?
If so , what is n't flamebait ?
When GPL advocates just roll over dead ?
Or when MS 's proprietary specifications become world standards at the behest of MS ?
color me confused .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what do you call "Subverting an international commitee" (re: OOXML fiasco)?
is that flamebait?
If so, what isn't flamebait?
When GPL advocates just roll over dead?
Or when MS's proprietary specifications become world standards at the behest of MS?
color me confused.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847900</id>
	<title>Re:A rebuttal</title>
	<author>Sponge Bath</author>
	<datestamp>1264097880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft gives Morbo gas.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft gives Morbo gas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft gives Morbo gas.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30851694</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Timothy Brownawell</author>
	<datestamp>1264069440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yeah, that doesn't work in the real world, in F100 companies.</p></div><p>I'd think it would actually work out <em>better</em> for them, what with being the 800lb gorillas and all.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , that does n't work in the real world , in F100 companies.I 'd think it would actually work out better for them , what with being the 800lb gorillas and all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, that doesn't work in the real world, in F100 companies.I'd think it would actually work out better for them, what with being the 800lb gorillas and all.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30848736</id>
	<title>Re:Flamebait of a story</title>
	<author>jzhos</author>
	<datestamp>1264101540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>How proprietary the specification is when you can read the specification freely (not all ISO standards are available that way) and implement it freely? Don't tell me "it is a trap", openoffice has implemented it for long time. Has MS sued them yet?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How proprietary the specification is when you can read the specification freely ( not all ISO standards are available that way ) and implement it freely ?
Do n't tell me " it is a trap " , openoffice has implemented it for long time .
Has MS sued them yet ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How proprietary the specification is when you can read the specification freely (not all ISO standards are available that way) and implement it freely?
Don't tell me "it is a trap", openoffice has implemented it for long time.
Has MS sued them yet?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30847570</id>
	<title>Bad move</title>
	<author>Chris Burke</author>
	<datestamp>1264096620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He just made himself a powerful enemy, and <i>the elephant never forgets</i>!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He just made himself a powerful enemy , and the elephant never forgets !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He just made himself a powerful enemy, and the elephant never forgets!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_21_1449234.30849934</id>
	<title>Re:Random anecdote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264106700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc format is obscure by definition, since the specification of the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc format is not published.</p><p>What's distasteful, is using proprietary formatted data files that are not readable by everyone without them using the proprietary tool to access that data.</p><p>Teaching students that a document is not only a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc file is a valuable lesson and adds some counterbalance to the indoctrination that happens on most schools where students learn that Windows is the only thing around.</p><p>Students should learn how to use computers, not how to be consumers of one brand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The .doc format is obscure by definition , since the specification of the .doc format is not published.What 's distasteful , is using proprietary formatted data files that are not readable by everyone without them using the proprietary tool to access that data.Teaching students that a document is not only a .doc file is a valuable lesson and adds some counterbalance to the indoctrination that happens on most schools where students learn that Windows is the only thing around.Students should learn how to use computers , not how to be consumers of one brand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The .doc format is obscure by definition, since the specification of the .doc format is not published.What's distasteful, is using proprietary formatted data files that are not readable by everyone without them using the proprietary tool to access that data.Teaching students that a document is not only a .doc file is a valuable lesson and adds some counterbalance to the indoctrination that happens on most schools where students learn that Windows is the only thing around.Students should learn how to use computers, not how to be consumers of one brand.</sentencetext>
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