<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_20_0020246</id>
	<title>100\% Free Software Compatible PC Launches</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1264003380000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>crimperman writes <i>"The <a href="http://open-pc.com/">Open-PC project</a> has announced that its first PC will be available at the end of February for &euro;359. They claim the mini-ITX desktop machine is energy efficient, consumer ready, easy to upgrade, and &mdash; significantly &mdash; <em>uses only hardware that has free software drivers available</em>. As you'd expect, it comes with GNU/Linux which is running KDE (a &euro;10 donation to the KDE project in included in the price). Interestingly all the key decisions on design, pricing etc. have been made by the community via online polls. The spec of the machine is pretty reasonable for the price: Atom 1.6GHz dual-core processor, 3GB RAM, 160GB HDD, Intel 950 graphics."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>crimperman writes " The Open-PC project has announced that its first PC will be available at the end of February for    359 .
They claim the mini-ITX desktop machine is energy efficient , consumer ready , easy to upgrade , and    significantly    uses only hardware that has free software drivers available .
As you 'd expect , it comes with GNU/Linux which is running KDE ( a    10 donation to the KDE project in included in the price ) .
Interestingly all the key decisions on design , pricing etc .
have been made by the community via online polls .
The spec of the machine is pretty reasonable for the price : Atom 1.6GHz dual-core processor , 3GB RAM , 160GB HDD , Intel 950 graphics .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>crimperman writes "The Open-PC project has announced that its first PC will be available at the end of February for €359.
They claim the mini-ITX desktop machine is energy efficient, consumer ready, easy to upgrade, and — significantly — uses only hardware that has free software drivers available.
As you'd expect, it comes with GNU/Linux which is running KDE (a €10 donation to the KDE project in included in the price).
Interestingly all the key decisions on design, pricing etc.
have been made by the community via online polls.
The spec of the machine is pretty reasonable for the price: Atom 1.6GHz dual-core processor, 3GB RAM, 160GB HDD, Intel 950 graphics.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828864</id>
	<title>Re:Mac</title>
	<author>chgros</author>
	<datestamp>1263928260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All this for a mere 50\% more! A bargain!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All this for a mere 50 \ % more !
A bargain !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All this for a mere 50\% more!
A bargain!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30831288</id>
	<title>Re:950 video at that price why not ion or a real d</title>
	<author>izomiac</author>
	<datestamp>1264000140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I mean an Intel GMA 4500 MHD (X4500 HD for desktops).  Both the <a href="http://intellinuxgraphics.org/documentation.html" title="intellinuxgraphics.org" rel="nofollow">tech specs</a> [intellinuxgraphics.org] and <a href="http://intellinuxgraphics.org/2009Q3.html" title="intellinuxgraphics.org" rel="nofollow">Linux drivers</a> [intellinuxgraphics.org] are freely available.  I got it because I needed <a href="http://nunnally.ahmygoddess.net/watching-h264-videos-using-dxva/" title="ahmygoddess.net" rel="nofollow">h264 decoding</a> [ahmygoddess.net] and prefer <a href="http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/mmu\_man/2008-11-03/say\_what\_you\_want\_from\_us\_but\_not\_what\_we\_dont\_want\_to\_hear\_or\_how\_much\_did\_we\_regress" title="haiku-os.org" rel="nofollow">open spec</a> [haiku-os.org].  <a href="http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Graphics-Media-Accelerator-4500MHD-GMA-X4500MHD.9883.0.html" title="notebookcheck.net" rel="nofollow">3D performance</a> [notebookcheck.net] is good enough for circa 2005 games.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean an Intel GMA 4500 MHD ( X4500 HD for desktops ) .
Both the tech specs [ intellinuxgraphics.org ] and Linux drivers [ intellinuxgraphics.org ] are freely available .
I got it because I needed h264 decoding [ ahmygoddess.net ] and prefer open spec [ haiku-os.org ] .
3D performance [ notebookcheck.net ] is good enough for circa 2005 games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean an Intel GMA 4500 MHD (X4500 HD for desktops).
Both the tech specs [intellinuxgraphics.org] and Linux drivers [intellinuxgraphics.org] are freely available.
I got it because I needed h264 decoding [ahmygoddess.net] and prefer open spec [haiku-os.org].
3D performance [notebookcheck.net] is good enough for circa 2005 games.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828390</id>
	<title>Re:Failed slashvertisment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263922260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You care to provide a link? I get:<br><i>We're sorry we found 0 matches on Walmart.com for "mini-ITX".</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You care to provide a link ?
I get : We 're sorry we found 0 matches on Walmart.com for " mini-ITX " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You care to provide a link?
I get:We're sorry we found 0 matches on Walmart.com for "mini-ITX".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828284</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30831776</id>
	<title>Re:Benefits of Full-Spec Hardware?</title>
	<author>Taagehornet</author>
	<datestamp>1264002420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>[...] quality components, solid support and would run reliably for a long time [...] a Walmart PC or Dell might have better specs for a cheaper price but I'd be scared of component quality and assembly QC</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
What makes you think that the hardware and the assembly quality is any better here than what you get any other place?
An Atom processor and an ASRock motherboard doesn't somehow become premium quality components just because you pay a rather hefty premium.
</p><blockquote><div><p>I'd be curious to see what a real in-depth review has to say.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Well then allow me to satisfy your curiosity: such a review will find that this box is slightly overpriced, and that it runs Linux exactly as well as any other box build around the 945 Express chipset and the Atom N330.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ ... ] quality components , solid support and would run reliably for a long time [ ... ] a Walmart PC or Dell might have better specs for a cheaper price but I 'd be scared of component quality and assembly QC What makes you think that the hardware and the assembly quality is any better here than what you get any other place ?
An Atom processor and an ASRock motherboard does n't somehow become premium quality components just because you pay a rather hefty premium .
I 'd be curious to see what a real in-depth review has to say .
Well then allow me to satisfy your curiosity : such a review will find that this box is slightly overpriced , and that it runs Linux exactly as well as any other box build around the 945 Express chipset and the Atom N330 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[...] quality components, solid support and would run reliably for a long time [...] a Walmart PC or Dell might have better specs for a cheaper price but I'd be scared of component quality and assembly QC

What makes you think that the hardware and the assembly quality is any better here than what you get any other place?
An Atom processor and an ASRock motherboard doesn't somehow become premium quality components just because you pay a rather hefty premium.
I'd be curious to see what a real in-depth review has to say.
Well then allow me to satisfy your curiosity: such a review will find that this box is slightly overpriced, and that it runs Linux exactly as well as any other box build around the 945 Express chipset and the Atom N330.

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829462</id>
	<title>OpenSuSe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263980580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nothing new. Nearly all new PCs come with splashtop anyway.<br>It's a nice idea and Linux is good, however that PC is not endorsed by gnu so why tag this story gnu???</p><p>If you have a conscience about how patent trolls are destroying software development, tell them you just want the machine and not openSuSe because Novell are bedfellows with Microsoft.</p><p>The donation to the kde project should be more like fifty euros.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing new .
Nearly all new PCs come with splashtop anyway.It 's a nice idea and Linux is good , however that PC is not endorsed by gnu so why tag this story gnu ? ?
? If you have a conscience about how patent trolls are destroying software development , tell them you just want the machine and not openSuSe because Novell are bedfellows with Microsoft.The donation to the kde project should be more like fifty euros .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing new.
Nearly all new PCs come with splashtop anyway.It's a nice idea and Linux is good, however that PC is not endorsed by gnu so why tag this story gnu??
?If you have a conscience about how patent trolls are destroying software development, tell them you just want the machine and not openSuSe because Novell are bedfellows with Microsoft.The donation to the kde project should be more like fifty euros.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829124</id>
	<title>Why is this such a big deal?</title>
	<author>Just Brew It!</author>
	<datestamp>1264018920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I applaud the decision to focus on hardware which is Open Source friendly, this isn't exactly rocket science. Linux has matured to the point where odds are pretty good that any given system will function "out of the box", without resorting to proprietary drivers.</p><p>Full hardware acceleration on newer GPUs can still be problematic, of course. The Intel 950 -- while it <i>is</i> in fact relatively new -- isn't particularly current in terms of features or performance. So effectively we're still in a situation where we're settling for second-rate GPU performance, just to avoid the need for proprietary drivers. AMD/ATI's push to work more closely with the Open Source community is starting to bear fruit; I'm hopeful that we'll see better support for current GPUs going forward.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I applaud the decision to focus on hardware which is Open Source friendly , this is n't exactly rocket science .
Linux has matured to the point where odds are pretty good that any given system will function " out of the box " , without resorting to proprietary drivers.Full hardware acceleration on newer GPUs can still be problematic , of course .
The Intel 950 -- while it is in fact relatively new -- is n't particularly current in terms of features or performance .
So effectively we 're still in a situation where we 're settling for second-rate GPU performance , just to avoid the need for proprietary drivers .
AMD/ATI 's push to work more closely with the Open Source community is starting to bear fruit ; I 'm hopeful that we 'll see better support for current GPUs going forward .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I applaud the decision to focus on hardware which is Open Source friendly, this isn't exactly rocket science.
Linux has matured to the point where odds are pretty good that any given system will function "out of the box", without resorting to proprietary drivers.Full hardware acceleration on newer GPUs can still be problematic, of course.
The Intel 950 -- while it is in fact relatively new -- isn't particularly current in terms of features or performance.
So effectively we're still in a situation where we're settling for second-rate GPU performance, just to avoid the need for proprietary drivers.
AMD/ATI's push to work more closely with the Open Source community is starting to bear fruit; I'm hopeful that we'll see better support for current GPUs going forward.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30832212</id>
	<title>Huge Dissapointment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264004400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Two issues. #1 Intel Atom? How is that open? How about opensparc? #2, no obvious way to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/purchase/ the damn thing on their website. Waste of time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Two issues .
# 1 Intel Atom ?
How is that open ?
How about opensparc ?
# 2 , no obvious way to /purchase/ the damn thing on their website .
Waste of time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two issues.
#1 Intel Atom?
How is that open?
How about opensparc?
#2, no obvious way to /purchase/ the damn thing on their website.
Waste of time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829828</id>
	<title>Re:Mac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263985020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I contemplated getting an Atom, but an E3300 was just too hard to go past.<br>It may be a Celeron, but it's a Celeron of the old school. Fully functional, but with half the cache. Full virtualisation support even<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Lets see what I built:<br>Celeron E3300 $80AU<br>Zotac Ion 9300 ~200$AU from the US (Mini ITX)<br>M350 case which Includes a 60w Pico ITX psu that runs all of this.~$50AU<br>(I actually got 2 zotac 9300's and the case for $505 including shipping from the US)<br>4gb ram $105AU<br>So... $435AU + HDD (~100$ for a small 2.5". I got a 2TB green)<br>Call it 535AU</p><p>XE says: 299.932 GBP</p><p>Doesnt Nvidia support linux?<br>If not, the standard Intel chipset boards are even cheaper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I contemplated getting an Atom , but an E3300 was just too hard to go past.It may be a Celeron , but it 's a Celeron of the old school .
Fully functional , but with half the cache .
Full virtualisation support even : ) Lets see what I built : Celeron E3300 $ 80AUZotac Ion 9300 ~ 200 $ AU from the US ( Mini ITX ) M350 case which Includes a 60w Pico ITX psu that runs all of this. ~ $ 50AU ( I actually got 2 zotac 9300 's and the case for $ 505 including shipping from the US ) 4gb ram $ 105AUSo... $ 435AU + HDD ( ~ 100 $ for a small 2.5 " .
I got a 2TB green ) Call it 535AUXE says : 299.932 GBPDoesnt Nvidia support linux ? If not , the standard Intel chipset boards are even cheaper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I contemplated getting an Atom, but an E3300 was just too hard to go past.It may be a Celeron, but it's a Celeron of the old school.
Fully functional, but with half the cache.
Full virtualisation support even :)Lets see what I built:Celeron E3300 $80AUZotac Ion 9300 ~200$AU from the US (Mini ITX)M350 case which Includes a 60w Pico ITX psu that runs all of this.~$50AU(I actually got 2 zotac 9300's and the case for $505 including shipping from the US)4gb ram $105AUSo... $435AU + HDD (~100$ for a small 2.5".
I got a 2TB green)Call it 535AUXE says: 299.932 GBPDoesnt Nvidia support linux?If not, the standard Intel chipset boards are even cheaper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828766</id>
	<title>Re:Mac</title>
	<author>Gerzel</author>
	<datestamp>1263926580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know about you but 5 usb ports does not a day make.  I got 6 on my machine and still use a hub.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about you but 5 usb ports does not a day make .
I got 6 on my machine and still use a hub .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about you but 5 usb ports does not a day make.
I got 6 on my machine and still use a hub.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828342</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30832374</id>
	<title>Re:Better option.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264005180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The D945GCLF2 only has 1 DIMM slot, so you wouldn't be able to put together a 3GB configuration.</p><p>You could use the successor, the D510MO, available at almost the exact same price point, but its X3150 graphics are actually worse than the D945GCLF2.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The D945GCLF2 only has 1 DIMM slot , so you would n't be able to put together a 3GB configuration.You could use the successor , the D510MO , available at almost the exact same price point , but its X3150 graphics are actually worse than the D945GCLF2 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The D945GCLF2 only has 1 DIMM slot, so you wouldn't be able to put together a 3GB configuration.You could use the successor, the D510MO, available at almost the exact same price point, but its X3150 graphics are actually worse than the D945GCLF2.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828892</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828342</id>
	<title>Re:Mac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263921840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's compare:</p><p>Mac Mini: 549 Euro<br>OpenPC: 359 Euro</p><p>Mac Mini: 2GB RAM<br>OpenPC: 3GB RAM</p><p>Mac Mini: NVIDIA GeForce 9400M<br>OpenPC: Intel GMA950</p><p>Mac Mini: Core 2 Duo 2.26 GHz<br>OpenPC: Atom N330 1.6GHz</p><p>Mac Mini: 160 GB HDD<br>OpenPC: 160 GB HDD</p><p>So for 190 Euro more, you get OS X, a much faster, 64-bit, virtualisation-capable CPU, and a real GPU with dual display support, but lose 1GB RAM.  I see no mention of I/O on the OpenPC, either - the Mac Mini has USB ports for days and FireWire 800.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's compare : Mac Mini : 549 EuroOpenPC : 359 EuroMac Mini : 2GB RAMOpenPC : 3GB RAMMac Mini : NVIDIA GeForce 9400MOpenPC : Intel GMA950Mac Mini : Core 2 Duo 2.26 GHzOpenPC : Atom N330 1.6GHzMac Mini : 160 GB HDDOpenPC : 160 GB HDDSo for 190 Euro more , you get OS X , a much faster , 64-bit , virtualisation-capable CPU , and a real GPU with dual display support , but lose 1GB RAM .
I see no mention of I/O on the OpenPC , either - the Mac Mini has USB ports for days and FireWire 800 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's compare:Mac Mini: 549 EuroOpenPC: 359 EuroMac Mini: 2GB RAMOpenPC: 3GB RAMMac Mini: NVIDIA GeForce 9400MOpenPC: Intel GMA950Mac Mini: Core 2 Duo 2.26 GHzOpenPC: Atom N330 1.6GHzMac Mini: 160 GB HDDOpenPC: 160 GB HDDSo for 190 Euro more, you get OS X, a much faster, 64-bit, virtualisation-capable CPU, and a real GPU with dual display support, but lose 1GB RAM.
I see no mention of I/O on the OpenPC, either - the Mac Mini has USB ports for days and FireWire 800.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828434</id>
	<title>Re:Failed slashvertisment</title>
	<author>javilon</author>
	<datestamp>1263922680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, but it wont be certified to run Linux. If you are happy with that, more power to you, but I expect my hardware to work with Linux and to be able to read all code that run on my machine. This product makes it very easy.</p><p>By the way, prize is 359 Euro. I haven't seen any computer with 3G ram for 175 Euro, much less with Windows. Could you give me a pointer to the products you have in mind?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , but it wont be certified to run Linux .
If you are happy with that , more power to you , but I expect my hardware to work with Linux and to be able to read all code that run on my machine .
This product makes it very easy.By the way , prize is 359 Euro .
I have n't seen any computer with 3G ram for 175 Euro , much less with Windows .
Could you give me a pointer to the products you have in mind ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, but it wont be certified to run Linux.
If you are happy with that, more power to you, but I expect my hardware to work with Linux and to be able to read all code that run on my machine.
This product makes it very easy.By the way, prize is 359 Euro.
I haven't seen any computer with 3G ram for 175 Euro, much less with Windows.
Could you give me a pointer to the products you have in mind?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829248</id>
	<title>Real Linux Users</title>
	<author>ZirconCode</author>
	<datestamp>1264020540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Real Linux Users build their own computers!</p><p>Predicted Reply:<br>"We used to compute with 5 ton stones and dead penguins, now get of my lawn!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Real Linux Users build their own computers ! Predicted Reply : " We used to compute with 5 ton stones and dead penguins , now get of my lawn !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Real Linux Users build their own computers!Predicted Reply:"We used to compute with 5 ton stones and dead penguins, now get of my lawn!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828582</id>
	<title>pedophilia, sodomy, card counting, or dog fighting</title>
	<author>pem</author>
	<datestamp>1263924180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I <b>thought</b> I saw a couple of mean dogs in the background fighting next to a slimy-looking, cowering puppy, in that <a href="http://blog.lib.umn.edu/bgleason/pt/dogs-playing-poker.jpg" title="umn.edu">dogs playing poker</a> [umn.edu] picture, but it was kinda hard to tell because the room isn't all that well illuminated.
<p>
Thanks for the confirmation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought I saw a couple of mean dogs in the background fighting next to a slimy-looking , cowering puppy , in that dogs playing poker [ umn.edu ] picture , but it was kinda hard to tell because the room is n't all that well illuminated .
Thanks for the confirmation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought I saw a couple of mean dogs in the background fighting next to a slimy-looking, cowering puppy, in that dogs playing poker [umn.edu] picture, but it was kinda hard to tell because the room isn't all that well illuminated.
Thanks for the confirmation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829424</id>
	<title>One thing doesn't add up</title>
	<author>Trogre</author>
	<datestamp>1263980160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Atom?</p><p>KDE4?</p><p>Atom?</p><p>KDE4?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>how?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Atom ? KDE4 ? Atom ? KDE4 ?
...how ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Atom?KDE4?Atom?KDE4?
...how?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828906</id>
	<title>Re:950 video at that price why not ion or a real d</title>
	<author>Larryish</author>
	<datestamp>1263929040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was going to post something along the lines of "Oh noes, EPIC FAIL, Intel gfx means I can't run Lucid Lynx!!!11"</p><p>Then I realized that, not having RTFA, it would be safer to post this disclaimed version of the same complaint in case it shipped with Ubuntu or something, so as not to look stupid.</p><p>Did it work?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was going to post something along the lines of " Oh noes , EPIC FAIL , Intel gfx means I ca n't run Lucid Lynx ! !
! 11 " Then I realized that , not having RTFA , it would be safer to post this disclaimed version of the same complaint in case it shipped with Ubuntu or something , so as not to look stupid.Did it work ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was going to post something along the lines of "Oh noes, EPIC FAIL, Intel gfx means I can't run Lucid Lynx!!
!11"Then I realized that, not having RTFA, it would be safer to post this disclaimed version of the same complaint in case it shipped with Ubuntu or something, so as not to look stupid.Did it work?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30830220</id>
	<title>Comparable</title>
	<author>alex\_royle</author>
	<datestamp>1263989760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd rather have something like an asrock ion 330.

Just as green, better, cheaper.

<a href="http://www.asrock.com/nettop/index.asp" title="asrock.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.asrock.com/nettop/index.asp</a> [asrock.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd rather have something like an asrock ion 330 .
Just as green , better , cheaper .
http : //www.asrock.com/nettop/index.asp [ asrock.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd rather have something like an asrock ion 330.
Just as green, better, cheaper.
http://www.asrock.com/nettop/index.asp [asrock.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30830810</id>
	<title>Re:950 video at that price why not ion or a real d</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263996900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Man, if you're satisfied by people moaning on Slashdot, you must be one happy camper.</p></div><p>Happy? I just had an orgasm!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Man , if you 're satisfied by people moaning on Slashdot , you must be one happy camper.Happy ?
I just had an orgasm !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man, if you're satisfied by people moaning on Slashdot, you must be one happy camper.Happy?
I just had an orgasm!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30834686</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1264013520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>So? Suspend and Hibernate is broken on a lot of new machines.</i></p><p>Like what? Please provide a model number.</p><p>I've never seen a new machine where Suspend/Hibernate didn't work, back a decade or so. I've definitely never seen a Mac where it's broken. I think you're spouting bullcrap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So ?
Suspend and Hibernate is broken on a lot of new machines.Like what ?
Please provide a model number.I 've never seen a new machine where Suspend/Hibernate did n't work , back a decade or so .
I 've definitely never seen a Mac where it 's broken .
I think you 're spouting bullcrap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So?
Suspend and Hibernate is broken on a lot of new machines.Like what?
Please provide a model number.I've never seen a new machine where Suspend/Hibernate didn't work, back a decade or so.
I've definitely never seen a Mac where it's broken.
I think you're spouting bullcrap.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30830550</id>
	<title>Re:Failed slashvertisment</title>
	<author>Jaruzel</author>
	<datestamp>1263993720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>don't you understand that when you purchase a machine with Windows installed you are giving your money to a bloodthirsty, criminal organization bent on enslaving the entire world via proprietary software?</p></div><p>don't you understand that when you purchase a machine with <b>ChromeOS</b> installed you are giving your money to a bloodthirsty, criminal organization bent on enslaving the entire world via proprietary software?</p><p>-Jar</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>do n't you understand that when you purchase a machine with Windows installed you are giving your money to a bloodthirsty , criminal organization bent on enslaving the entire world via proprietary software ? do n't you understand that when you purchase a machine with ChromeOS installed you are giving your money to a bloodthirsty , criminal organization bent on enslaving the entire world via proprietary software ? -Jar</tokentext>
<sentencetext>don't you understand that when you purchase a machine with Windows installed you are giving your money to a bloodthirsty, criminal organization bent on enslaving the entire world via proprietary software?don't you understand that when you purchase a machine with ChromeOS installed you are giving your money to a bloodthirsty, criminal organization bent on enslaving the entire world via proprietary software?-Jar
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828592</id>
	<title>Re:950 video at that price why not ion or a real d</title>
	<author>PCM2</author>
	<datestamp>1263924360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>950 video at that price why not ion</p></div><p>No free software drivers for Ion.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>950 video at that price why not ionNo free software drivers for Ion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>950 video at that price why not ionNo free software drivers for Ion.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828892</id>
	<title>Better option.</title>
	<author>GNUALMAFUERTE</author>
	<datestamp>1263928740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Motherboard Intel D945GCLF2 with integrated Atom 330 (2 cores, 4 threads)  =  U$S 103<br>HD 160 SATA = U$S 53<br>3 GB  of RAM (1 x 2 GB, 1 x 1 GB) = U$S 81<br>MiniITX Case with 500W PSU = U$S 75<br>Sub Total: u$s 312<br>- 10\% VAT applied in Argentina already in those prices= -32</p><p>Total:      u$s 280<br>OpenPC: u$s 512</p><p>Even if you add the price of building it, and a reasonable profit, it's still insanely expensive.<br>And my hardware choice is actually better, because the motherboard is 100\% Intel and not a cheap-ass Asrock.</p><p>By chance, I happen to be running that same hardware configuration I just posted. Here's lspci's output:</p><p>00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL Memory Controller Hub (rev 02)<br>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)<br>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)<br>00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 01)<br>00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 3 (rev 01)<br>00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 4 (rev 01)<br>00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01)<br>00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01)<br>00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01)<br>00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 01)<br>00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01)<br>00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev e1)<br>00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GB/GR (ICH7 Family) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 01)<br>00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE Controller (rev 01)<br>00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GB/GR/GH (ICH7 Family) SATA IDE Controller (rev 01)<br>00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 01)<br>01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02)<br>04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8185 IEEE 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 20)</p><p>And extract from cpuinfo (There are actually 2 cores with 2 threads each, which shows up as 4 processors on GNU/Linux)</p><p>
&nbsp; vendor\_id    : GenuineIntel<br>cpu family    : 6<br>model        : 28<br>model name    : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU  330   @ 1.60GHz<br>stepping    : 2<br>cpu MHz        : 1596.098<br>cache size    : 512 K</p><p>BTW: This hardware is 100\% Hackintosh friendly. I am dual booting Ubuntu and OSX on it.</p><p>* Those are prices in Argentina (Yes, electronics here are way more expensive than elsewhere), and they include a 10.5\% VAT, so that price would actually be ~280U$S. And the components are better, and still 100\% Free. Except off course both this system and their system contains privative hardware design, privative BIOS and firmware, etc. So, not really 100\% open.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Motherboard Intel D945GCLF2 with integrated Atom 330 ( 2 cores , 4 threads ) = U $ S 103HD 160 SATA = U $ S 533 GB of RAM ( 1 x 2 GB , 1 x 1 GB ) = U $ S 81MiniITX Case with 500W PSU = U $ S 75Sub Total : u $ s 312- 10 \ % VAT applied in Argentina already in those prices = -32Total : u $ s 280OpenPC : u $ s 512Even if you add the price of building it , and a reasonable profit , it 's still insanely expensive.And my hardware choice is actually better , because the motherboard is 100 \ % Intel and not a cheap-ass Asrock.By chance , I happen to be running that same hardware configuration I just posted .
Here 's lspci 's output : 00 : 00.0 Host bridge : Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL Memory Controller Hub ( rev 02 ) 00 : 02.0 VGA compatible controller : Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller ( rev 02 ) 00 : 1b.0 Audio device : Intel Corporation 82801G ( ICH7 Family ) High Definition Audio Controller ( rev 01 ) 00 : 1c.0 PCI bridge : Intel Corporation 82801G ( ICH7 Family ) PCI Express Port 1 ( rev 01 ) 00 : 1c.2 PCI bridge : Intel Corporation 82801G ( ICH7 Family ) PCI Express Port 3 ( rev 01 ) 00 : 1c.3 PCI bridge : Intel Corporation 82801G ( ICH7 Family ) PCI Express Port 4 ( rev 01 ) 00 : 1d.0 USB Controller : Intel Corporation 82801G ( ICH7 Family ) USB UHCI Controller # 1 ( rev 01 ) 00 : 1d.1 USB Controller : Intel Corporation 82801G ( ICH7 Family ) USB UHCI Controller # 2 ( rev 01 ) 00 : 1d.2 USB Controller : Intel Corporation 82801G ( ICH7 Family ) USB UHCI Controller # 3 ( rev 01 ) 00 : 1d.3 USB Controller : Intel Corporation 82801G ( ICH7 Family ) USB UHCI Controller # 4 ( rev 01 ) 00 : 1d.7 USB Controller : Intel Corporation 82801G ( ICH7 Family ) USB2 EHCI Controller ( rev 01 ) 00 : 1e.0 PCI bridge : Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge ( rev e1 ) 00 : 1f.0 ISA bridge : Intel Corporation 82801GB/GR ( ICH7 Family ) LPC Interface Bridge ( rev 01 ) 00 : 1f.1 IDE interface : Intel Corporation 82801G ( ICH7 Family ) IDE Controller ( rev 01 ) 00 : 1f.2 IDE interface : Intel Corporation 82801GB/GR/GH ( ICH7 Family ) SATA IDE Controller ( rev 01 ) 00 : 1f.3 SMBus : Intel Corporation 82801G ( ICH7 Family ) SMBus Controller ( rev 01 ) 01 : 00.0 Ethernet controller : Realtek Semiconductor Co. , Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller ( rev 02 ) 04 : 00.0 Ethernet controller : Realtek Semiconductor Co. , Ltd. RTL-8185 IEEE 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller ( rev 20 ) And extract from cpuinfo ( There are actually 2 cores with 2 threads each , which shows up as 4 processors on GNU/Linux )   vendor \ _id : GenuineIntelcpu family : 6model : 28model name : Intel ( R ) Atom ( TM ) CPU 330 @ 1.60GHzstepping : 2cpu MHz : 1596.098cache size : 512 KBTW : This hardware is 100 \ % Hackintosh friendly .
I am dual booting Ubuntu and OSX on it .
* Those are prices in Argentina ( Yes , electronics here are way more expensive than elsewhere ) , and they include a 10.5 \ % VAT , so that price would actually be ~ 280U $ S .
And the components are better , and still 100 \ % Free .
Except off course both this system and their system contains privative hardware design , privative BIOS and firmware , etc .
So , not really 100 \ % open .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Motherboard Intel D945GCLF2 with integrated Atom 330 (2 cores, 4 threads)  =  U$S 103HD 160 SATA = U$S 533 GB  of RAM (1 x 2 GB, 1 x 1 GB) = U$S 81MiniITX Case with 500W PSU = U$S 75Sub Total: u$s 312- 10\% VAT applied in Argentina already in those prices= -32Total:      u$s 280OpenPC: u$s 512Even if you add the price of building it, and a reasonable profit, it's still insanely expensive.And my hardware choice is actually better, because the motherboard is 100\% Intel and not a cheap-ass Asrock.By chance, I happen to be running that same hardware configuration I just posted.
Here's lspci's output:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL Memory Controller Hub (rev 02)00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 01)00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 3 (rev 01)00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 4 (rev 01)00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01)00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01)00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01)00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 01)00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01)00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev e1)00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GB/GR (ICH7 Family) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 01)00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE Controller (rev 01)00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GB/GR/GH (ICH7 Family) SATA IDE Controller (rev 01)00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 01)01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02)04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8185 IEEE 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 20)And extract from cpuinfo (There are actually 2 cores with 2 threads each, which shows up as 4 processors on GNU/Linux)
  vendor\_id    : GenuineIntelcpu family    : 6model        : 28model name    : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU  330   @ 1.60GHzstepping    : 2cpu MHz        : 1596.098cache size    : 512 KBTW: This hardware is 100\% Hackintosh friendly.
I am dual booting Ubuntu and OSX on it.
* Those are prices in Argentina (Yes, electronics here are way more expensive than elsewhere), and they include a 10.5\% VAT, so that price would actually be ~280U$S.
And the components are better, and still 100\% Free.
Except off course both this system and their system contains privative hardware design, privative BIOS and firmware, etc.
So, not really 100\% open.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828468</id>
	<title>Re:Failed slashvertisment</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1263923100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not their fault...  the <a href="http://open-pc.com/static/open-pc/open-pc-survey1.php" title="open-pc.com" rel="nofollow">online poll</a> [open-pc.com]  set the price at $300 - $400
</p><p>
The under-spec'ed processor and GPU for that price, however <b>IS</b> their fault.
And  "easily upgradable" doesn't excuse it much.
What may excuse it is  low volume,  requiring them to use lower spec'ed components than Apple to meet their price goal.
</p><p>
The online poll results put them in a tough place:  "A Netbook form factor PC,  in $300 - $400 range".    A tower form factor would have allowed less-expensive options  (though at higher power consumption, most likely).
</p><p>
Anyways, more is important than just the specs... it's the fact they only use  open, documented hardware.
</p><p>
And <a href="http://open-pc.com/news/index.php/Announcing+the+Open-PC+project?id=321&amp;name=Announcing+the+Open-PC+project" title="open-pc.com" rel="nofollow">this</a> [open-pc.com] is redeeming:
</p><blockquote><div><p>The project was initiated in response to the lack of quality in the Free Software-based hardware solutions currently on the market. As many reviewers and end-users have stated, the pre-installed software used by hardware vendors generated a bad image for Free Software with potentially interested end-users. Much of the software was buggy and not widely tested and device drivers were often unstable, non-free or not available at all.</p></div></blockquote><p>
In other words... a high-quality component choice for  non-technically savvy users who want Linux pre-installed?
</p><p>
I suppose high-quality is relative.
They would seem to be claiming the point of the project is to provide a <b>higher quality</b> experience than other pre-installed Linux solutions.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not their fault... the online poll [ open-pc.com ] set the price at $ 300 - $ 400 The under-spec'ed processor and GPU for that price , however IS their fault .
And " easily upgradable " does n't excuse it much .
What may excuse it is low volume , requiring them to use lower spec'ed components than Apple to meet their price goal .
The online poll results put them in a tough place : " A Netbook form factor PC , in $ 300 - $ 400 range " .
A tower form factor would have allowed less-expensive options ( though at higher power consumption , most likely ) .
Anyways , more is important than just the specs... it 's the fact they only use open , documented hardware .
And this [ open-pc.com ] is redeeming : The project was initiated in response to the lack of quality in the Free Software-based hardware solutions currently on the market .
As many reviewers and end-users have stated , the pre-installed software used by hardware vendors generated a bad image for Free Software with potentially interested end-users .
Much of the software was buggy and not widely tested and device drivers were often unstable , non-free or not available at all .
In other words... a high-quality component choice for non-technically savvy users who want Linux pre-installed ?
I suppose high-quality is relative .
They would seem to be claiming the point of the project is to provide a higher quality experience than other pre-installed Linux solutions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not their fault...  the online poll [open-pc.com]  set the price at $300 - $400

The under-spec'ed processor and GPU for that price, however IS their fault.
And  "easily upgradable" doesn't excuse it much.
What may excuse it is  low volume,  requiring them to use lower spec'ed components than Apple to meet their price goal.
The online poll results put them in a tough place:  "A Netbook form factor PC,  in $300 - $400 range".
A tower form factor would have allowed less-expensive options  (though at higher power consumption, most likely).
Anyways, more is important than just the specs... it's the fact they only use  open, documented hardware.
And this [open-pc.com] is redeeming:
The project was initiated in response to the lack of quality in the Free Software-based hardware solutions currently on the market.
As many reviewers and end-users have stated, the pre-installed software used by hardware vendors generated a bad image for Free Software with potentially interested end-users.
Much of the software was buggy and not widely tested and device drivers were often unstable, non-free or not available at all.
In other words... a high-quality component choice for  non-technically savvy users who want Linux pre-installed?
I suppose high-quality is relative.
They would seem to be claiming the point of the project is to provide a higher quality experience than other pre-installed Linux solutions.

	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30830106</id>
	<title>Re:Why support Atoms?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263988380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apart from the fact that it's really easy (and cheap) to source an Atom system, while it's fairly difficult to (DIY) build an ARM system -- is running Linux on ARM as easy as running Linux on x86? Sure, the kernel and all the basic/essential user-space apps will work fine on ARM. But what about all the desktop stuff, and the breadth of drivers which finally make Linux on the desktop viable and easy to set up? What about 3D graphics? I guess it's a given that the proprietary Nvidia/AMD drivers won't work on ARM? (Fair enough if we want to build a 100\% free software system.) I'm not trying to imply any answers to these questions, I'm genuinely curious how viable a desktop ARM system is as a drop-in replacement for an x86/x86-64 system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apart from the fact that it 's really easy ( and cheap ) to source an Atom system , while it 's fairly difficult to ( DIY ) build an ARM system -- is running Linux on ARM as easy as running Linux on x86 ?
Sure , the kernel and all the basic/essential user-space apps will work fine on ARM .
But what about all the desktop stuff , and the breadth of drivers which finally make Linux on the desktop viable and easy to set up ?
What about 3D graphics ?
I guess it 's a given that the proprietary Nvidia/AMD drivers wo n't work on ARM ?
( Fair enough if we want to build a 100 \ % free software system .
) I 'm not trying to imply any answers to these questions , I 'm genuinely curious how viable a desktop ARM system is as a drop-in replacement for an x86/x86-64 system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apart from the fact that it's really easy (and cheap) to source an Atom system, while it's fairly difficult to (DIY) build an ARM system -- is running Linux on ARM as easy as running Linux on x86?
Sure, the kernel and all the basic/essential user-space apps will work fine on ARM.
But what about all the desktop stuff, and the breadth of drivers which finally make Linux on the desktop viable and easy to set up?
What about 3D graphics?
I guess it's a given that the proprietary Nvidia/AMD drivers won't work on ARM?
(Fair enough if we want to build a 100\% free software system.
) I'm not trying to imply any answers to these questions, I'm genuinely curious how viable a desktop ARM system is as a drop-in replacement for an x86/x86-64 system.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Any hope for a US distributor?</title>
	<author>smoothnorman</author>
	<datestamp>1263923820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>(what should be done when the subject-line says it all?  the posting software won't allow us either a blank subject-line or blank body.  fair enough, i suppose, but what if one's thought is no more than a subject-line in length?  well i suppose one could just prattle on about something unrelated, or post one's favorite recipe...

    Oatmeal-Molasses Chews

1 C butter, softened          1 tsp baking soda
1.5 C brown sugar, packed     1 tsp baking powder
2 large eggs                  3 tsp cinnamon
0.5 C molasses                1 tsp allspice
3 tsp vanilla                 1 tsp cloves
3 C rolled oats               1 tsp nutmeg
1.5 C white flour             1.25 C raisins
1 C wheat flour               0.75 C walnuts, chopped

Beat butter  and sugar until creamy.  Beat in eggs, molasses and vanilla;  add oats.   Mix  flours and  spices in another bowl, then  add raisins  and nuts, to coat with flour.  Add this to sugar mixture. Bake  at 375oF 12 minutes,  makes about 3 dozen

but that seems entirely silly</htmltext>
<tokenext>( what should be done when the subject-line says it all ?
the posting software wo n't allow us either a blank subject-line or blank body .
fair enough , i suppose , but what if one 's thought is no more than a subject-line in length ?
well i suppose one could just prattle on about something unrelated , or post one 's favorite recipe.. . Oatmeal-Molasses Chews 1 C butter , softened 1 tsp baking soda 1.5 C brown sugar , packed 1 tsp baking powder 2 large eggs 3 tsp cinnamon 0.5 C molasses 1 tsp allspice 3 tsp vanilla 1 tsp cloves 3 C rolled oats 1 tsp nutmeg 1.5 C white flour 1.25 C raisins 1 C wheat flour 0.75 C walnuts , chopped Beat butter and sugar until creamy .
Beat in eggs , molasses and vanilla ; add oats .
Mix flours and spices in another bowl , then add raisins and nuts , to coat with flour .
Add this to sugar mixture .
Bake at 375oF 12 minutes , makes about 3 dozen but that seems entirely silly</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(what should be done when the subject-line says it all?
the posting software won't allow us either a blank subject-line or blank body.
fair enough, i suppose, but what if one's thought is no more than a subject-line in length?
well i suppose one could just prattle on about something unrelated, or post one's favorite recipe...

    Oatmeal-Molasses Chews

1 C butter, softened          1 tsp baking soda
1.5 C brown sugar, packed     1 tsp baking powder
2 large eggs                  3 tsp cinnamon
0.5 C molasses                1 tsp allspice
3 tsp vanilla                 1 tsp cloves
3 C rolled oats               1 tsp nutmeg
1.5 C white flour             1.25 C raisins
1 C wheat flour               0.75 C walnuts, chopped

Beat butter  and sugar until creamy.
Beat in eggs, molasses and vanilla;  add oats.
Mix  flours and  spices in another bowl, then  add raisins  and nuts, to coat with flour.
Add this to sugar mixture.
Bake  at 375oF 12 minutes,  makes about 3 dozen

but that seems entirely silly</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30832176</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>jedidiah</author>
	<datestamp>1264004220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So? Suspend and Hibernate is broken on a lot of new machines. Even running Windows won't garauntee a good experience.</p><p>HELL, even running MacOS on a genuine Mac won't gaurantee a good experience.</p><p>This really isn't the best thing to bash Linux over.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...and yes, the wife dislikes how Macs handle suspend so it got turned off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So ?
Suspend and Hibernate is broken on a lot of new machines .
Even running Windows wo n't garauntee a good experience.HELL , even running MacOS on a genuine Mac wo n't gaurantee a good experience.This really is n't the best thing to bash Linux over .
...and yes , the wife dislikes how Macs handle suspend so it got turned off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So?
Suspend and Hibernate is broken on a lot of new machines.
Even running Windows won't garauntee a good experience.HELL, even running MacOS on a genuine Mac won't gaurantee a good experience.This really isn't the best thing to bash Linux over.
...and yes, the wife dislikes how Macs handle suspend so it got turned off.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828882</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30841540</id>
	<title>Re:It's not about the cost.</title>
	<author>bootup</author>
	<datestamp>1264002300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you are in North America (USA only I think at the moment) ThinkPenguin.com is working on developing the free and open source market:

<a href="http://www.thinkpenguin.com/" title="thinkpenguin.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thinkpenguin.com/</a> [thinkpenguin.com]

They make an effort to only sell systems with free and open source drivers/firmware (wifi, graphics, sound, etc.) as well as accessories like USB wifi sticks, printers, etc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are in North America ( USA only I think at the moment ) ThinkPenguin.com is working on developing the free and open source market : http : //www.thinkpenguin.com/ [ thinkpenguin.com ] They make an effort to only sell systems with free and open source drivers/firmware ( wifi , graphics , sound , etc .
) as well as accessories like USB wifi sticks , printers , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are in North America (USA only I think at the moment) ThinkPenguin.com is working on developing the free and open source market:

http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ [thinkpenguin.com]

They make an effort to only sell systems with free and open source drivers/firmware (wifi, graphics, sound, etc.
) as well as accessories like USB wifi sticks, printers, etc.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829158</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829084</id>
	<title>Re:950 video at that price why not ion or a real d</title>
	<author>mxh83</author>
	<datestamp>1264018560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>950 video at that price why not ion or a real desktop cpu?</p></div><p>"Interestingly all the key decisions on design, pricing etc. have been made by the community via online polls."

What "community"?  Sounds like a bunch of idiots trying to line their pockets with money people throw away "for the greater good".  It's a scam.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>950 video at that price why not ion or a real desktop cpu ?
" Interestingly all the key decisions on design , pricing etc .
have been made by the community via online polls .
" What " community " ?
Sounds like a bunch of idiots trying to line their pockets with money people throw away " for the greater good " .
It 's a scam .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>950 video at that price why not ion or a real desktop cpu?
"Interestingly all the key decisions on design, pricing etc.
have been made by the community via online polls.
"

What "community"?
Sounds like a bunch of idiots trying to line their pockets with money people throw away "for the greater good".
It's a scam.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828238</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30842160</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>uninformedLuddite</author>
	<datestamp>1264008360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I can buy almost any laptop/desktop and install Ubuntu on it</p></div><p>Ubuntu's popularity proves that geeks just don't care at all about getting a root</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can buy almost any laptop/desktop and install Ubuntu on itUbuntu 's popularity proves that geeks just do n't care at all about getting a root</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can buy almost any laptop/desktop and install Ubuntu on itUbuntu's popularity proves that geeks just don't care at all about getting a root
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828440</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828702</id>
	<title>BIOS anyone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263925560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I saw the blurb, I thought to myself that the BIOS would be the fancy the 'coreboot/LinuxBIOS' stuff. Can't see any mention of it on the Open-PC project website.</p><p>Disclaimer: I don't know anything about BIOS other then there is an opensource project about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I saw the blurb , I thought to myself that the BIOS would be the fancy the 'coreboot/LinuxBIOS ' stuff .
Ca n't see any mention of it on the Open-PC project website.Disclaimer : I do n't know anything about BIOS other then there is an opensource project about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I saw the blurb, I thought to myself that the BIOS would be the fancy the 'coreboot/LinuxBIOS' stuff.
Can't see any mention of it on the Open-PC project website.Disclaimer: I don't know anything about BIOS other then there is an opensource project about it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829774</id>
	<title>Re:Pricey</title>
	<author>pyrrhonist</author>
	<datestamp>1263984360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just don't want to pay the "KDE tax".  I wonder if I could get a refund if I refuse to accept the license.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just do n't want to pay the " KDE tax " .
I wonder if I could get a refund if I refuse to accept the license .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just don't want to pay the "KDE tax".
I wonder if I could get a refund if I refuse to accept the license.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828264</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828632</id>
	<title>Re:Failed slashvertisment</title>
	<author>Lunix Nutcase</author>
	<datestamp>1263924720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I haven't seen any computer with 3G ram for 175 Euro, much less with Windows.</p></div><p>Then you've apparently not looked very hard.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Could you give me a pointer to the products you have in mind?</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/desktops/inspiron-zino-hd/pd.aspx?refid=inspiron-zino-hd&amp;s=dhs&amp;cs=19&amp;~oid=us~en~29~inspiron-zino-hd-anav1~~" title="dell.com" rel="nofollow">Sure</a> [dell.com].  It's more powerful than this "Open-PC" and costs equivalent to 175 Euro.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't seen any computer with 3G ram for 175 Euro , much less with Windows.Then you 've apparently not looked very hard.Could you give me a pointer to the products you have in mind ?
Sure [ dell.com ] .
It 's more powerful than this " Open-PC " and costs equivalent to 175 Euro .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't seen any computer with 3G ram for 175 Euro, much less with Windows.Then you've apparently not looked very hard.Could you give me a pointer to the products you have in mind?
Sure [dell.com].
It's more powerful than this "Open-PC" and costs equivalent to 175 Euro.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828434</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30832342</id>
	<title>Re:Failed slashvertisment</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1264005000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know you are trying to be funny but let's also throw in some facts.<br>1. This PC as far as I could tell is not using a free and open BIOS.<br>2. There is still some closed frimware on this for the sata drive and other bits a pieces.</p><p>It is just a silly spin at this point. Just about any netbook is as FOSS friendly as long as it is all Intel stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know you are trying to be funny but let 's also throw in some facts.1 .
This PC as far as I could tell is not using a free and open BIOS.2 .
There is still some closed frimware on this for the sata drive and other bits a pieces.It is just a silly spin at this point .
Just about any netbook is as FOSS friendly as long as it is all Intel stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know you are trying to be funny but let's also throw in some facts.1.
This PC as far as I could tell is not using a free and open BIOS.2.
There is still some closed frimware on this for the sata drive and other bits a pieces.It is just a silly spin at this point.
Just about any netbook is as FOSS friendly as long as it is all Intel stuff.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828394</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829958</id>
	<title>Finally...</title>
	<author>gaelfx</author>
	<datestamp>1263986580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...someone has put a price on fail! 359 Euros per unit of fail, get yours NOW!</htmltext>
<tokenext>...someone has put a price on fail !
359 Euros per unit of fail , get yours NOW !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...someone has put a price on fail!
359 Euros per unit of fail, get yours NOW!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828790</id>
	<title>Re:"Energy efficient"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263926940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have heard that is more efficient to run a large psu at lower loads than a small psu at maximum load. I don't know if it is true, though...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have heard that is more efficient to run a large psu at lower loads than a small psu at maximum load .
I do n't know if it is true , though.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have heard that is more efficient to run a large psu at lower loads than a small psu at maximum load.
I don't know if it is true, though...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828596</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828426</id>
	<title>Benefits of Full-Spec Hardware?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263922680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course if you look at this from a strict price/performance standpoint, it's not going to win - the point is solid support of the hardware is possible with fully open source code.  How does this play out?  Hard to say.  I'd like to see a review geared to evaluation of points such as stability, responsiveness, usability of major open source programs (Blender, anyone?) and how/whether a fully open driver stack impacts that experience.</p><p>Apple wins in the market because they create a smooth, integrated experience that has view technical "gotchas" waiting to pounce on the consumer.  The point of projects such as this (IMHO anyway) is to try to achieve something similar with open source - a hardware/software stack that can be tuned for a performance that, while perhaps not the fastest possible, is "smooth".</p><p>Realistically, how much horsepower is actually needed for anything not involving heavy duty graphics or video editing?  Wouldn't it perhaps be worth trading off a bit of the "latest and greatest" hardware performance for something that was quality components, solid support and would run reliably for a long time?  I know I'd be interested.</p><p>It'll be interesting to see if they can find a way to illustrate the benefits of such an experience, even if they can create it - and whether the open source audience will be sufficiently impressed to buy it or not.  I know that if my machine were to croak tomorrow, I would at least be curious - a Walmart PC or Dell might have better specs for a cheaper price but I'd be scared of component quality and assembly QC - that's one reason folks still build their own boxes, after all.  My current machine was assembled from parts years ago, and has been quite reliable (as well as fast enough) through years of building Gentoo updates and other fairly intense desktop tasks - that's what I want for my next machine, because this month's hardware will be slow next month anyway and I want my $$ to last.  Is this it?  Who knows, but I'd be curious to see what a real in-depth review has to say.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course if you look at this from a strict price/performance standpoint , it 's not going to win - the point is solid support of the hardware is possible with fully open source code .
How does this play out ?
Hard to say .
I 'd like to see a review geared to evaluation of points such as stability , responsiveness , usability of major open source programs ( Blender , anyone ?
) and how/whether a fully open driver stack impacts that experience.Apple wins in the market because they create a smooth , integrated experience that has view technical " gotchas " waiting to pounce on the consumer .
The point of projects such as this ( IMHO anyway ) is to try to achieve something similar with open source - a hardware/software stack that can be tuned for a performance that , while perhaps not the fastest possible , is " smooth " .Realistically , how much horsepower is actually needed for anything not involving heavy duty graphics or video editing ?
Would n't it perhaps be worth trading off a bit of the " latest and greatest " hardware performance for something that was quality components , solid support and would run reliably for a long time ?
I know I 'd be interested.It 'll be interesting to see if they can find a way to illustrate the benefits of such an experience , even if they can create it - and whether the open source audience will be sufficiently impressed to buy it or not .
I know that if my machine were to croak tomorrow , I would at least be curious - a Walmart PC or Dell might have better specs for a cheaper price but I 'd be scared of component quality and assembly QC - that 's one reason folks still build their own boxes , after all .
My current machine was assembled from parts years ago , and has been quite reliable ( as well as fast enough ) through years of building Gentoo updates and other fairly intense desktop tasks - that 's what I want for my next machine , because this month 's hardware will be slow next month anyway and I want my $ $ to last .
Is this it ?
Who knows , but I 'd be curious to see what a real in-depth review has to say .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course if you look at this from a strict price/performance standpoint, it's not going to win - the point is solid support of the hardware is possible with fully open source code.
How does this play out?
Hard to say.
I'd like to see a review geared to evaluation of points such as stability, responsiveness, usability of major open source programs (Blender, anyone?
) and how/whether a fully open driver stack impacts that experience.Apple wins in the market because they create a smooth, integrated experience that has view technical "gotchas" waiting to pounce on the consumer.
The point of projects such as this (IMHO anyway) is to try to achieve something similar with open source - a hardware/software stack that can be tuned for a performance that, while perhaps not the fastest possible, is "smooth".Realistically, how much horsepower is actually needed for anything not involving heavy duty graphics or video editing?
Wouldn't it perhaps be worth trading off a bit of the "latest and greatest" hardware performance for something that was quality components, solid support and would run reliably for a long time?
I know I'd be interested.It'll be interesting to see if they can find a way to illustrate the benefits of such an experience, even if they can create it - and whether the open source audience will be sufficiently impressed to buy it or not.
I know that if my machine were to croak tomorrow, I would at least be curious - a Walmart PC or Dell might have better specs for a cheaper price but I'd be scared of component quality and assembly QC - that's one reason folks still build their own boxes, after all.
My current machine was assembled from parts years ago, and has been quite reliable (as well as fast enough) through years of building Gentoo updates and other fairly intense desktop tasks - that's what I want for my next machine, because this month's hardware will be slow next month anyway and I want my $$ to last.
Is this it?
Who knows, but I'd be curious to see what a real in-depth review has to say.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30841914</id>
	<title>Re:950 video at that price why not ion or a real d</title>
	<author>Meski</author>
	<datestamp>1264005960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Who charges for software drivers?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:^)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who charges for software drivers ?
: ^ )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who charges for software drivers?
:^)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828482</id>
	<title>Microsoft builds Linux powered OpenPC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263923220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>500 USD - Is that a $300 linux distribution? Does anyone have information on this?</p><p>My dual core Acer REVO with 2GB and 320GB HD with wireless keyboard and mouse - not to mention Nvidia ION graphics was $300 brand new on ebay, and i hooked it to my 52" TV for free with the HDMI out. It came with FreeDOS, which is just some non-gui linux, but throw on Ubuntu / Vista / and OSX for the $200 i saved.</p><p>"I saved a ton of money on my car insurance by dropping it" &#174;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>500 USD - Is that a $ 300 linux distribution ?
Does anyone have information on this ? My dual core Acer REVO with 2GB and 320GB HD with wireless keyboard and mouse - not to mention Nvidia ION graphics was $ 300 brand new on ebay , and i hooked it to my 52 " TV for free with the HDMI out .
It came with FreeDOS , which is just some non-gui linux , but throw on Ubuntu / Vista / and OSX for the $ 200 i saved .
" I saved a ton of money on my car insurance by dropping it "  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>500 USD - Is that a $300 linux distribution?
Does anyone have information on this?My dual core Acer REVO with 2GB and 320GB HD with wireless keyboard and mouse - not to mention Nvidia ION graphics was $300 brand new on ebay, and i hooked it to my 52" TV for free with the HDMI out.
It came with FreeDOS, which is just some non-gui linux, but throw on Ubuntu / Vista / and OSX for the $200 i saved.
"I saved a ton of money on my car insurance by dropping it" ®</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828574</id>
	<title>Reasonable price????????</title>
	<author>m509272</author>
	<datestamp>1263924060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess I'll be the 100th person or so to say that $500 for hardware of this level is a total ripoff.  The only thing causing this to cost more than about $175 is the 3GB of memory as machines at that price point have 1GB and a $20 optical drive.  Price should be no more than $225.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess I 'll be the 100th person or so to say that $ 500 for hardware of this level is a total ripoff .
The only thing causing this to cost more than about $ 175 is the 3GB of memory as machines at that price point have 1GB and a $ 20 optical drive .
Price should be no more than $ 225 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess I'll be the 100th person or so to say that $500 for hardware of this level is a total ripoff.
The only thing causing this to cost more than about $175 is the 3GB of memory as machines at that price point have 1GB and a $20 optical drive.
Price should be no more than $225.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829032</id>
	<title>Re:"Energy efficient"?</title>
	<author>tweak13</author>
	<datestamp>1264017720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That has absolutely no impact on the efficiency of the computer.<br> <br>

That's like saying a car must be really fuel inefficient for no other reason than it has a 25 gallon gas tank.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That has absolutely no impact on the efficiency of the computer .
That 's like saying a car must be really fuel inefficient for no other reason than it has a 25 gallon gas tank .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That has absolutely no impact on the efficiency of the computer.
That's like saying a car must be really fuel inefficient for no other reason than it has a 25 gallon gas tank.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828596</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30831226</id>
	<title>Motherboard not compatible</title>
	<author>TheRealDamion</author>
	<datestamp>1263999780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not certain "sensors" works on the ASrock this mentions.  I do have to wonder if they tried hard enough!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not certain " sensors " works on the ASrock this mentions .
I do have to wonder if they tried hard enough !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not certain "sensors" works on the ASrock this mentions.
I do have to wonder if they tried hard enough!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30835828</id>
	<title>Re:Mac</title>
	<author>cyberthanasis12</author>
	<datestamp>1264017900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>.... So for 190 Euro more, you get OS X, a much faster, 64-bit, virtualisation-capable CPU, and a real GPU with dual display support, but lose 1GB RAM....</p></div><p>Just for another perspective:</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... So for <b>53\%</b> more, you get..</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>.... So for 190 Euro more , you get OS X , a much faster , 64-bit , virtualisation-capable CPU , and a real GPU with dual display support , but lose 1GB RAM....Just for another perspective : .... So for 53 \ % more , you get. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> .... So for 190 Euro more, you get OS X, a much faster, 64-bit, virtualisation-capable CPU, and a real GPU with dual display support, but lose 1GB RAM....Just for another perspective: .... So for 53\% more, you get..
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828342</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828538</id>
	<title>Re:Failed slashvertisment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263923760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>RMS doesn't have a problem with pedophilia.

05 June 2006 (Dutch paedophiles form political party)

Dutch pedophiles have formed a political party to campaign for legalization.

I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>RMS does n't have a problem with pedophilia .
05 June 2006 ( Dutch paedophiles form political party ) Dutch pedophiles have formed a political party to campaign for legalization .
I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children .
The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which are n't voluntary , which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RMS doesn't have a problem with pedophilia.
05 June 2006 (Dutch paedophiles form political party)

Dutch pedophiles have formed a political party to campaign for legalization.
I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children.
The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828378</id>
	<title>Re:Failed slashvertisment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263922140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I spent around $350 building my current desktop system from individual components. It's much better than the system listed, and uses less power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I spent around $ 350 building my current desktop system from individual components .
It 's much better than the system listed , and uses less power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I spent around $350 building my current desktop system from individual components.
It's much better than the system listed, and uses less power.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30830790</id>
	<title>Re:Pricey</title>
	<author>Neoprofin</author>
	<datestamp>1263996660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sadly it's a donation. What kind of person takes back a gift they gave to someone?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sadly it 's a donation .
What kind of person takes back a gift they gave to someone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sadly it's a donation.
What kind of person takes back a gift they gave to someone?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829604</id>
	<title>Re:Failed slashvertisment</title>
	<author>crimperman</author>
	<datestamp>1263982440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In this case it's not a slashvertisement. That is I (the submitter) have no connection to the project at all. I just thought it was interesting that somebody was trying to produce a PC that a) only uses hardware that has free software drivers and b) has attempted a design-by-consensus approach.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In this case it 's not a slashvertisement .
That is I ( the submitter ) have no connection to the project at all .
I just thought it was interesting that somebody was trying to produce a PC that a ) only uses hardware that has free software drivers and b ) has attempted a design-by-consensus approach .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In this case it's not a slashvertisement.
That is I (the submitter) have no connection to the project at all.
I just thought it was interesting that somebody was trying to produce a PC that a) only uses hardware that has free software drivers and b) has attempted a design-by-consensus approach.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30841316</id>
	<title>Re:$500 (Monitor Sold Separately)</title>
	<author>bootup</author>
	<datestamp>1264000260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Low-end isn't the same as crap. You've compared crap to something decent. Acer is crap. Having to replace something costs time, money, and knowledge. This system is more than capable for the majority of people and adding more ram would be overloading it. In your case adding more ram would be a necessity for most people and cost $150 in labour and parts offsetting any savings- not to mention the screen being too small and needing to be a separate keyboard, screen, and mouse and still only getting a barely functioning MS Windows system (or is this a Linux pre-install? still- probably not really designed for GNU/Linux-so.. barely functional). You are an idiot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Low-end is n't the same as crap .
You 've compared crap to something decent .
Acer is crap .
Having to replace something costs time , money , and knowledge .
This system is more than capable for the majority of people and adding more ram would be overloading it .
In your case adding more ram would be a necessity for most people and cost $ 150 in labour and parts offsetting any savings- not to mention the screen being too small and needing to be a separate keyboard , screen , and mouse and still only getting a barely functioning MS Windows system ( or is this a Linux pre-install ?
still- probably not really designed for GNU/Linux-so.. barely functional ) .
You are an idiot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Low-end isn't the same as crap.
You've compared crap to something decent.
Acer is crap.
Having to replace something costs time, money, and knowledge.
This system is more than capable for the majority of people and adding more ram would be overloading it.
In your case adding more ram would be a necessity for most people and cost $150 in labour and parts offsetting any savings- not to mention the screen being too small and needing to be a separate keyboard, screen, and mouse and still only getting a barely functioning MS Windows system (or is this a Linux pre-install?
still- probably not really designed for GNU/Linux-so.. barely functional).
You are an idiot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828238</id>
	<title>950 video at that price why not ion or a real desk</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263921060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>950 video at that price why not ion or a real desktop cpu?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>950 video at that price why not ion or a real desktop cpu ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>950 video at that price why not ion or a real desktop cpu?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828440</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>Darkness404</author>
	<datestamp>1263922800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I really don't see the point of this. Perhaps back in 1998 when it took a lot of effort to get Linux up and running this might have a market, today, I can buy almost any laptop/desktop and install Ubuntu on it with little to no problems. Why should I have to pay $400+ more for a computer that gets me less? For $600 I can get a Core i7 gamer rig and not a crappy "nettop". For $150? I'd buy it in a heartbeat. For $250, I might consider it. For more than the price of a Mac Mini? No way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I really do n't see the point of this .
Perhaps back in 1998 when it took a lot of effort to get Linux up and running this might have a market , today , I can buy almost any laptop/desktop and install Ubuntu on it with little to no problems .
Why should I have to pay $ 400 + more for a computer that gets me less ?
For $ 600 I can get a Core i7 gamer rig and not a crappy " nettop " .
For $ 150 ?
I 'd buy it in a heartbeat .
For $ 250 , I might consider it .
For more than the price of a Mac Mini ?
No way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really don't see the point of this.
Perhaps back in 1998 when it took a lot of effort to get Linux up and running this might have a market, today, I can buy almost any laptop/desktop and install Ubuntu on it with little to no problems.
Why should I have to pay $400+ more for a computer that gets me less?
For $600 I can get a Core i7 gamer rig and not a crappy "nettop".
For $150?
I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
For $250, I might consider it.
For more than the price of a Mac Mini?
No way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829028</id>
	<title>Target market?</title>
	<author>Anachragnome</author>
	<datestamp>1263931140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the success of this machine will be decided by marketing.</p><p>If the company is aiming at the techy types, this is a big fail. Most of us already know how to build something like this. The only advantage they have is buying power as it applies to component acquisition.</p><p>Now, on the other hand, if they are aiming at Governments/Corporations, such as the ones that are telling their citizens/employees to stop using Microsoft products due to security flaws, then I think they might be in for more then most of you give them credit.</p><p>The big question is how well these things play with others. Do they work well in such large-scale networked environments? Can someone order 500 of them, network them and get down to business?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the success of this machine will be decided by marketing.If the company is aiming at the techy types , this is a big fail .
Most of us already know how to build something like this .
The only advantage they have is buying power as it applies to component acquisition.Now , on the other hand , if they are aiming at Governments/Corporations , such as the ones that are telling their citizens/employees to stop using Microsoft products due to security flaws , then I think they might be in for more then most of you give them credit.The big question is how well these things play with others .
Do they work well in such large-scale networked environments ?
Can someone order 500 of them , network them and get down to business ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the success of this machine will be decided by marketing.If the company is aiming at the techy types, this is a big fail.
Most of us already know how to build something like this.
The only advantage they have is buying power as it applies to component acquisition.Now, on the other hand, if they are aiming at Governments/Corporations, such as the ones that are telling their citizens/employees to stop using Microsoft products due to security flaws, then I think they might be in for more then most of you give them credit.The big question is how well these things play with others.
Do they work well in such large-scale networked environments?
Can someone order 500 of them, network them and get down to business?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828556</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft builds Linux powered OpenPC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263923880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, the extra $300 is what you pay for ordering all those parts and preparing an assembly line to make computers but in quantities of less than millions.  Certain costs are largely the same whether you're making five hundred computers or five million computers, so they cost more on a per unit basis when you're in the former category rather than the latter.  Other costs scale, but not linearly.  You can't make a computer with all the same parts as that Acer for the same price unless you're making and selling as many computers as Acer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , the extra $ 300 is what you pay for ordering all those parts and preparing an assembly line to make computers but in quantities of less than millions .
Certain costs are largely the same whether you 're making five hundred computers or five million computers , so they cost more on a per unit basis when you 're in the former category rather than the latter .
Other costs scale , but not linearly .
You ca n't make a computer with all the same parts as that Acer for the same price unless you 're making and selling as many computers as Acer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, the extra $300 is what you pay for ordering all those parts and preparing an assembly line to make computers but in quantities of less than millions.
Certain costs are largely the same whether you're making five hundred computers or five million computers, so they cost more on a per unit basis when you're in the former category rather than the latter.
Other costs scale, but not linearly.
You can't make a computer with all the same parts as that Acer for the same price unless you're making and selling as many computers as Acer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829014</id>
	<title>Re:Mac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263930960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you go by US prices, 359 Euro = ~$510.  The Mac mini is $599.  i'd rather pay the extra $90 for the better processor/GPU.  A DIY RAM upgrade would only tack on another ~$20 or so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you go by US prices , 359 Euro = ~ $ 510 .
The Mac mini is $ 599 .
i 'd rather pay the extra $ 90 for the better processor/GPU .
A DIY RAM upgrade would only tack on another ~ $ 20 or so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you go by US prices, 359 Euro = ~$510.
The Mac mini is $599.
i'd rather pay the extra $90 for the better processor/GPU.
A DIY RAM upgrade would only tack on another ~$20 or so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829920</id>
	<title>Re:Benefits of Full-Spec Hardware?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263985980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you really expecting Blender to run well on an Atom CPU and integrated Intel graphics?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you really expecting Blender to run well on an Atom CPU and integrated Intel graphics ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you really expecting Blender to run well on an Atom CPU and integrated Intel graphics?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30836834</id>
	<title>Re:Why support Atoms?</title>
	<author>TorKlingberg</author>
	<datestamp>1263979020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>...you should be looking at ARM based systems.  Part of being an informed consumer is recognizing monopolies...</p></div><p>Isn't ARM controlled by one company, though they license it it anyone who pays? I don't see what's monopolistic about the x86 architecture. You don't have to run Windows on it. Linux, BSD, OSX and a host of others work find on x86.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...you should be looking at ARM based systems .
Part of being an informed consumer is recognizing monopolies...Is n't ARM controlled by one company , though they license it it anyone who pays ?
I do n't see what 's monopolistic about the x86 architecture .
You do n't have to run Windows on it .
Linux , BSD , OSX and a host of others work find on x86 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...you should be looking at ARM based systems.
Part of being an informed consumer is recognizing monopolies...Isn't ARM controlled by one company, though they license it it anyone who pays?
I don't see what's monopolistic about the x86 architecture.
You don't have to run Windows on it.
Linux, BSD, OSX and a host of others work find on x86.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30833482</id>
	<title>Re:Why support Atoms?</title>
	<author>nxtw</author>
	<datestamp>1264008900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> If you are going to run a non-Windows (free software, open source) system you should be looking at ARM based systems.</p></div></blockquote><p>Please let me know where I can find an ARM system with as much performance as a dual-core Atom.</p><p>I'm sure they're coming real soon..</p><blockquote><div><p>Part of being an informed consumer is recognizing monopolies (both software and hardware) and making purchasing decisions that do not promote said monopolies.</p></div></blockquote><p>Intel has no monopoly on the low power x86 market.  VIA and AMD both have competing CPUs for low-power desktops; Dell sells a low-power system with an AMD CPU and GPU for under $300.  Intel's main advantage is in battery powered netbooks; but this system is a PC, and uses a dual-core Atom instead of the single-core model used in netbooks.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are going to run a non-Windows ( free software , open source ) system you should be looking at ARM based systems.Please let me know where I can find an ARM system with as much performance as a dual-core Atom.I 'm sure they 're coming real soon..Part of being an informed consumer is recognizing monopolies ( both software and hardware ) and making purchasing decisions that do not promote said monopolies.Intel has no monopoly on the low power x86 market .
VIA and AMD both have competing CPUs for low-power desktops ; Dell sells a low-power system with an AMD CPU and GPU for under $ 300 .
Intel 's main advantage is in battery powered netbooks ; but this system is a PC , and uses a dual-core Atom instead of the single-core model used in netbooks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> If you are going to run a non-Windows (free software, open source) system you should be looking at ARM based systems.Please let me know where I can find an ARM system with as much performance as a dual-core Atom.I'm sure they're coming real soon..Part of being an informed consumer is recognizing monopolies (both software and hardware) and making purchasing decisions that do not promote said monopolies.Intel has no monopoly on the low power x86 market.
VIA and AMD both have competing CPUs for low-power desktops; Dell sells a low-power system with an AMD CPU and GPU for under $300.
Intel's main advantage is in battery powered netbooks; but this system is a PC, and uses a dual-core Atom instead of the single-core model used in netbooks.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828828</id>
	<title>Oh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263927600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is GNU/Linux anything like normal Linux?</p><p>But in all seriousness, this is a good thing, and the more we encourage hardware vendors to open source their drivers, the better.  Closed source drivers lead to nothing but buggy legacy drivers the IT community gets to make work 10 years down the road when the machine meant to last 3 years is forced to last 23.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is GNU/Linux anything like normal Linux ? But in all seriousness , this is a good thing , and the more we encourage hardware vendors to open source their drivers , the better .
Closed source drivers lead to nothing but buggy legacy drivers the IT community gets to make work 10 years down the road when the machine meant to last 3 years is forced to last 23 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is GNU/Linux anything like normal Linux?But in all seriousness, this is a good thing, and the more we encourage hardware vendors to open source their drivers, the better.
Closed source drivers lead to nothing but buggy legacy drivers the IT community gets to make work 10 years down the road when the machine meant to last 3 years is forced to last 23.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829092</id>
	<title>Not really 100\% free software</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264018560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where is the microcode for the peripherals?</p><p>What about the maintainability of the source?  Even free software is "proprietary" if you need a proprietary manual to make heads or tails of the driver code.</p><p>Free Software is a good thing, no doubt, but please don't kid yourself into thinking that there is some extra benefit to a machine where you can download the source code to the OS and the drivers.  Your computer is STILL VERY PROPRIETARY and there are lots of things going on in there over which you still have no control.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where is the microcode for the peripherals ? What about the maintainability of the source ?
Even free software is " proprietary " if you need a proprietary manual to make heads or tails of the driver code.Free Software is a good thing , no doubt , but please do n't kid yourself into thinking that there is some extra benefit to a machine where you can download the source code to the OS and the drivers .
Your computer is STILL VERY PROPRIETARY and there are lots of things going on in there over which you still have no control .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where is the microcode for the peripherals?What about the maintainability of the source?
Even free software is "proprietary" if you need a proprietary manual to make heads or tails of the driver code.Free Software is a good thing, no doubt, but please don't kid yourself into thinking that there is some extra benefit to a machine where you can download the source code to the OS and the drivers.
Your computer is STILL VERY PROPRIETARY and there are lots of things going on in there over which you still have no control.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828392</id>
	<title>Re:950 video at that price why not ion or a real d</title>
	<author>Joce640k</author>
	<datestamp>1263922260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Came here to hear somebody moan about the graphics and am leaving satisfied.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Came here to hear somebody moan about the graphics and am leaving satisfied .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Came here to hear somebody moan about the graphics and am leaving satisfied.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30838500</id>
	<title>Re:Mac</title>
	<author>Draek</author>
	<datestamp>1263985380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, if I wanted power I wouldn't be looking at either of them to begin with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , if I wanted power I would n't be looking at either of them to begin with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, if I wanted power I wouldn't be looking at either of them to begin with.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30830058</id>
	<title>Re:Better option.</title>
	<author>moonbender</author>
	<datestamp>1263987900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hell, a 500W PSU? That's incredibly overspecced. You could run that system off an external, passive power brick (e.g. Pico PSU), or any other "low-power" ATX power supply available cheaply. A 300W PSU would easily power that system even with a mid-range graphics card added. Apart from that, nice, I hope you're running it mostly fanless and you suspended the HDD, should make for a fine super-quiet system in that case. Atom is still slow though, even a dual-core.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hell , a 500W PSU ?
That 's incredibly overspecced .
You could run that system off an external , passive power brick ( e.g .
Pico PSU ) , or any other " low-power " ATX power supply available cheaply .
A 300W PSU would easily power that system even with a mid-range graphics card added .
Apart from that , nice , I hope you 're running it mostly fanless and you suspended the HDD , should make for a fine super-quiet system in that case .
Atom is still slow though , even a dual-core .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hell, a 500W PSU?
That's incredibly overspecced.
You could run that system off an external, passive power brick (e.g.
Pico PSU), or any other "low-power" ATX power supply available cheaply.
A 300W PSU would easily power that system even with a mid-range graphics card added.
Apart from that, nice, I hope you're running it mostly fanless and you suspended the HDD, should make for a fine super-quiet system in that case.
Atom is still slow though, even a dual-core.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829318</id>
	<title>Pretty reasonable?</title>
	<author>yacc143</author>
	<datestamp>1263978420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Assuming even that the 359 includes some sales tax (that depends from which country these guys plan to sell it):</p><p><a href="http://geizhals.at/eu/a401398.html" title="geizhals.at" rel="nofollow">http://geizhals.at/eu/a401398.html</a> [geizhals.at] 339 for an Packard Bell iMedia D4500, Phenom X4 9100e 4x 1.80GHz, 3072MB, 320GB, Windows Vista Home Premium (PB80X37003)</p><p><a href="http://geizhals.at/eu/a475774.html" title="geizhals.at" rel="nofollow">http://geizhals.at/eu/a475774.html</a> [geizhals.at] 349 for an Acer with 4GB/320GB DualAtom. Funnily even a Win7 license is included.</p><p><a href="http://geizhals.at/a468358.html" title="geizhals.at" rel="nofollow">http://geizhals.at/a468358.html</a> [geizhals.at] admittingly only 2GB RAM, but a Pentium Dual Core and only 293</p><p><a href="http://geizhals.at/?cat=syscpq&amp;bpmax=359&amp;v=e&amp;plz=&amp;dist=&amp;sort=p" title="geizhals.at" rel="nofollow">http://geizhals.at/?cat=syscpq&amp;bpmax=359&amp;v=e&amp;plz=&amp;dist=&amp;sort=p</a> [geizhals.at] HP offers at this price point even Quad Opterons (admittingly with 1GB RAM)</p><p><a href="http://geizhals.at/eu/?cat=syslenovo&amp;bpmax=359&amp;v=e&amp;plz=&amp;dist=&amp;sort=p&amp;xf=445\_2048" title="geizhals.at" rel="nofollow">http://geizhals.at/eu/?cat=syslenovo&amp;bpmax=359&amp;v=e&amp;plz=&amp;dist=&amp;sort=p&amp;xf=445\_2048</a> [geizhals.at] Levono does have a number of boxes too</p><p>Nothing reasonable priced about this offer, sorry. You can get a multiple of processing power for that money; or more storage and memory even for a DualAtom with a branded product. (And I'd argue that it's still cheaper, because you do get that Win7 license, even if you don't need it.)</p><p>And while not all of these PCs are automatically perfectly Linux compatible, some are for sure, e.g. Atom based designs have usually mostly Linux friendly hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Assuming even that the 359 includes some sales tax ( that depends from which country these guys plan to sell it ) : http : //geizhals.at/eu/a401398.html [ geizhals.at ] 339 for an Packard Bell iMedia D4500 , Phenom X4 9100e 4x 1.80GHz , 3072MB , 320GB , Windows Vista Home Premium ( PB80X37003 ) http : //geizhals.at/eu/a475774.html [ geizhals.at ] 349 for an Acer with 4GB/320GB DualAtom .
Funnily even a Win7 license is included.http : //geizhals.at/a468358.html [ geizhals.at ] admittingly only 2GB RAM , but a Pentium Dual Core and only 293http : //geizhals.at/ ? cat = syscpq&amp;bpmax = 359&amp;v = e&amp;plz = &amp;dist = &amp;sort = p [ geizhals.at ] HP offers at this price point even Quad Opterons ( admittingly with 1GB RAM ) http : //geizhals.at/eu/ ? cat = syslenovo&amp;bpmax = 359&amp;v = e&amp;plz = &amp;dist = &amp;sort = p&amp;xf = 445 \ _2048 [ geizhals.at ] Levono does have a number of boxes tooNothing reasonable priced about this offer , sorry .
You can get a multiple of processing power for that money ; or more storage and memory even for a DualAtom with a branded product .
( And I 'd argue that it 's still cheaper , because you do get that Win7 license , even if you do n't need it .
) And while not all of these PCs are automatically perfectly Linux compatible , some are for sure , e.g .
Atom based designs have usually mostly Linux friendly hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Assuming even that the 359 includes some sales tax (that depends from which country these guys plan to sell it):http://geizhals.at/eu/a401398.html [geizhals.at] 339 for an Packard Bell iMedia D4500, Phenom X4 9100e 4x 1.80GHz, 3072MB, 320GB, Windows Vista Home Premium (PB80X37003)http://geizhals.at/eu/a475774.html [geizhals.at] 349 for an Acer with 4GB/320GB DualAtom.
Funnily even a Win7 license is included.http://geizhals.at/a468358.html [geizhals.at] admittingly only 2GB RAM, but a Pentium Dual Core and only 293http://geizhals.at/?cat=syscpq&amp;bpmax=359&amp;v=e&amp;plz=&amp;dist=&amp;sort=p [geizhals.at] HP offers at this price point even Quad Opterons (admittingly with 1GB RAM)http://geizhals.at/eu/?cat=syslenovo&amp;bpmax=359&amp;v=e&amp;plz=&amp;dist=&amp;sort=p&amp;xf=445\_2048 [geizhals.at] Levono does have a number of boxes tooNothing reasonable priced about this offer, sorry.
You can get a multiple of processing power for that money; or more storage and memory even for a DualAtom with a branded product.
(And I'd argue that it's still cheaper, because you do get that Win7 license, even if you don't need it.
)And while not all of these PCs are automatically perfectly Linux compatible, some are for sure, e.g.
Atom based designs have usually mostly Linux friendly hardware.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828436</id>
	<title>Re:Mac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263922680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are USB ports in the picture even, open your eyes. I don't even know of a miniITX board that doesn't have at least some form of I/O.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are USB ports in the picture even , open your eyes .
I do n't even know of a miniITX board that does n't have at least some form of I/O .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are USB ports in the picture even, open your eyes.
I don't even know of a miniITX board that doesn't have at least some form of I/O.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30830610</id>
	<title>Re:you are kidding right?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263994560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That looks like a Pentium Dual Core, not an Intel Core 2. The Core 2 Duo costs a lot more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That looks like a Pentium Dual Core , not an Intel Core 2 .
The Core 2 Duo costs a lot more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That looks like a Pentium Dual Core, not an Intel Core 2.
The Core 2 Duo costs a lot more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828492</id>
	<title>Re:Failed slashvertisment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263923280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure about the machines at Walmart, but this one apparently comes with free phone and email support. Depending on how long that support is for, and what it covers, that may explain some of the difference in price. The rest may be due to the fact that these machines will not sell in anywhere near the volume that Walmart can move.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure about the machines at Walmart , but this one apparently comes with free phone and email support .
Depending on how long that support is for , and what it covers , that may explain some of the difference in price .
The rest may be due to the fact that these machines will not sell in anywhere near the volume that Walmart can move .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure about the machines at Walmart, but this one apparently comes with free phone and email support.
Depending on how long that support is for, and what it covers, that may explain some of the difference in price.
The rest may be due to the fact that these machines will not sell in anywhere near the volume that Walmart can move.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828354</id>
	<title>Euro, not Dollar.</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1263921900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can build the same specs for less than the same number of dollars.  Why would I buy this thing?  It sounds like the asinine "Vision computer" ads with their "Full Gig RAM".<p><div class="quote"><p>what other company offers a standard warranty three years on parts and labor?  [...] that's a computer with an intel atom processor full gig of ram and 100...Gig hard drive. dvd. rom. seventeen inch monitor. For 499</p></div><p>It's like they got William Shatner's brother to do the radio commercial.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can build the same specs for less than the same number of dollars .
Why would I buy this thing ?
It sounds like the asinine " Vision computer " ads with their " Full Gig RAM " .what other company offers a standard warranty three years on parts and labor ?
[ ... ] that 's a computer with an intel atom processor full gig of ram and 100...Gig hard drive .
dvd. rom .
seventeen inch monitor .
For 499It 's like they got William Shatner 's brother to do the radio commercial .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can build the same specs for less than the same number of dollars.
Why would I buy this thing?
It sounds like the asinine "Vision computer" ads with their "Full Gig RAM".what other company offers a standard warranty three years on parts and labor?
[...] that's a computer with an intel atom processor full gig of ram and 100...Gig hard drive.
dvd. rom.
seventeen inch monitor.
For 499It's like they got William Shatner's brother to do the radio commercial.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829328</id>
	<title>Re:Mac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263978600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same AC.  I'm an American.  Mac Mini:  549$.  OpenPC: 359 Euro.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same AC .
I 'm an American .
Mac Mini : 549 $ .
OpenPC : 359 Euro .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same AC.
I'm an American.
Mac Mini:  549$.
OpenPC: 359 Euro.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828500</id>
	<title>Nice idea, and...</title>
	<author>zogger</author>
	<datestamp>1263923340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nice idea, and I keep wondering why Ubuntu doesn't do this, in an "it's up to you" option deal how to go about things. Normal distro, then take your chances on whatever hardware you got, or, something they can make money at, a set of a small variety of competitively priced machines-netbook, notebook, desktop, server- that they sell, that their main devs, for at least the long term releases, do absolute testing on so that everything "just works" 100\% guaranteed, along with recommended peripherals.</p><p>
&nbsp; Sort of like the apple model of matched software and hardware, *but* with the distinction of no hissy fits from the company about using other hardware, either. Buy their gear, with their software preinstalled, you get priority warranty and useability support. Buy or build your idea/choice of hardware, you get such support as exists today, which is hit or miss, go lurk on the forum if you have any problems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice idea , and I keep wondering why Ubuntu does n't do this , in an " it 's up to you " option deal how to go about things .
Normal distro , then take your chances on whatever hardware you got , or , something they can make money at , a set of a small variety of competitively priced machines-netbook , notebook , desktop , server- that they sell , that their main devs , for at least the long term releases , do absolute testing on so that everything " just works " 100 \ % guaranteed , along with recommended peripherals .
  Sort of like the apple model of matched software and hardware , * but * with the distinction of no hissy fits from the company about using other hardware , either .
Buy their gear , with their software preinstalled , you get priority warranty and useability support .
Buy or build your idea/choice of hardware , you get such support as exists today , which is hit or miss , go lurk on the forum if you have any problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice idea, and I keep wondering why Ubuntu doesn't do this, in an "it's up to you" option deal how to go about things.
Normal distro, then take your chances on whatever hardware you got, or, something they can make money at, a set of a small variety of competitively priced machines-netbook, notebook, desktop, server- that they sell, that their main devs, for at least the long term releases, do absolute testing on so that everything "just works" 100\% guaranteed, along with recommended peripherals.
  Sort of like the apple model of matched software and hardware, *but* with the distinction of no hissy fits from the company about using other hardware, either.
Buy their gear, with their software preinstalled, you get priority warranty and useability support.
Buy or build your idea/choice of hardware, you get such support as exists today, which is hit or miss, go lurk on the forum if you have any problems.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829426</id>
	<title>Re:Mac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263980160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Once you have tried virtualisation, you can not live without it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Once you have tried virtualisation , you can not live without it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once you have tried virtualisation, you can not live without it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829158</id>
	<title>It's not about the cost.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264019340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>All the good folk who are say they can "get a better machine, for less, and it's even got Windoze installed!" just totally miss the point.


<br> <br>
There are many people out there like me who'd happily pay EXTRA to get a machine that is completely free of Micro$oft or Apple, and doesn't count as a sale for either of them. I will not contribute to either of these organisations in any way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All the good folk who are say they can " get a better machine , for less , and it 's even got Windoze installed !
" just totally miss the point .
There are many people out there like me who 'd happily pay EXTRA to get a machine that is completely free of Micro $ oft or Apple , and does n't count as a sale for either of them .
I will not contribute to either of these organisations in any way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the good folk who are say they can "get a better machine, for less, and it's even got Windoze installed!
" just totally miss the point.
There are many people out there like me who'd happily pay EXTRA to get a machine that is completely free of Micro$oft or Apple, and doesn't count as a sale for either of them.
I will not contribute to either of these organisations in any way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828894</id>
	<title>Why support Atoms?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263928800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Purchasing a non-Windows system on an Atom makes no sense at all.  The only current use for an Atom is to run Windows.  If you are going to run a non-Windows (free software, open source) system you should be looking at ARM based systems.  Part of being an informed consumer is recognizing monopolies (both software and hardware) and making purchasing decisions that do not promote said monopolies.  I'll bet any surveys did not include a choice of hardware (and one has to wonder how/why KDE got selected given that there are 3+ other window managers available under Linux -- most of which have a much smaller footprint).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Purchasing a non-Windows system on an Atom makes no sense at all .
The only current use for an Atom is to run Windows .
If you are going to run a non-Windows ( free software , open source ) system you should be looking at ARM based systems .
Part of being an informed consumer is recognizing monopolies ( both software and hardware ) and making purchasing decisions that do not promote said monopolies .
I 'll bet any surveys did not include a choice of hardware ( and one has to wonder how/why KDE got selected given that there are 3 + other window managers available under Linux -- most of which have a much smaller footprint ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Purchasing a non-Windows system on an Atom makes no sense at all.
The only current use for an Atom is to run Windows.
If you are going to run a non-Windows (free software, open source) system you should be looking at ARM based systems.
Part of being an informed consumer is recognizing monopolies (both software and hardware) and making purchasing decisions that do not promote said monopolies.
I'll bet any surveys did not include a choice of hardware (and one has to wonder how/why KDE got selected given that there are 3+ other window managers available under Linux -- most of which have a much smaller footprint).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828272</id>
	<title>But</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263921240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But does it run Lin... oh... wait... nevermind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But does it run Lin... oh... wait... nevermind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But does it run Lin... oh... wait... nevermind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30832958</id>
	<title>Re:Why support Atoms?</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1264007160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are right in many ways.<br>There is a shortage of Arm Boards but there is this one. <a href="http://beagleboard.org/" title="beagleboard.org">http://beagleboard.org/</a> [beagleboard.org] which will work just great if you don't need an HD or are willing to live with a USB HD, flashdrve , or have a NAS at home.</p><p>The new Tegra 2 is really looking good but I have not seen any small board for it yet. I am hoping that we will see a BeagleboardII when the OMAP 4 comes out. Maybe they will throw on some SATA connectors and more USB ports on it.<br>The one problem I see is the lack of Flash for it. That may change very soon.<br>I think that a Beagleboard with a good sized flash drive would make an almost viable desktop replacement depending if you can live without Flash.</p><p>If you could just get Flash for the Beagleboard I could see this as a modern Commodore 64. Right down to the external drives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are right in many ways.There is a shortage of Arm Boards but there is this one .
http : //beagleboard.org/ [ beagleboard.org ] which will work just great if you do n't need an HD or are willing to live with a USB HD , flashdrve , or have a NAS at home.The new Tegra 2 is really looking good but I have not seen any small board for it yet .
I am hoping that we will see a BeagleboardII when the OMAP 4 comes out .
Maybe they will throw on some SATA connectors and more USB ports on it.The one problem I see is the lack of Flash for it .
That may change very soon.I think that a Beagleboard with a good sized flash drive would make an almost viable desktop replacement depending if you can live without Flash.If you could just get Flash for the Beagleboard I could see this as a modern Commodore 64 .
Right down to the external drives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are right in many ways.There is a shortage of Arm Boards but there is this one.
http://beagleboard.org/ [beagleboard.org] which will work just great if you don't need an HD or are willing to live with a USB HD, flashdrve , or have a NAS at home.The new Tegra 2 is really looking good but I have not seen any small board for it yet.
I am hoping that we will see a BeagleboardII when the OMAP 4 comes out.
Maybe they will throw on some SATA connectors and more USB ports on it.The one problem I see is the lack of Flash for it.
That may change very soon.I think that a Beagleboard with a good sized flash drive would make an almost viable desktop replacement depending if you can live without Flash.If you could just get Flash for the Beagleboard I could see this as a modern Commodore 64.
Right down to the external drives.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828680</id>
	<title>The price is reasonable</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263925380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you take into account how much it much have cost them in slashvertising.</p><p>Lol town!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you take into account how much it much have cost them in slashvertising.Lol town !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you take into account how much it much have cost them in slashvertising.Lol town!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30834420</id>
	<title>Re:Why support Atoms?</title>
	<author>bradbury</author>
	<datestamp>1264012260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I do not accept this argument.  A simple Google search for "Linux ARM systems" yields 4.7 million pages.  Don't even begin to go down the path that ARM is not supported.  If one cannot obtain them off-the-shelf (and there are a number of end-user providers distributing Linux on ARM processors) then building ones own is probably a day-long exercise.  Taking a day to free oneself from the Intel/Microsoft Monopoly... A small investment for a large benefit (disassociation from monopolistic providers is priceless) has merit.  What levels are you willing to go to in order to experience "freedom of choice"?  To choose an ARM based machine over an Atom based machine?  If one is following the Atom bandwagon then I would suggest that you do not even understand the meaning of "freedom of choice".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do not accept this argument .
A simple Google search for " Linux ARM systems " yields 4.7 million pages .
Do n't even begin to go down the path that ARM is not supported .
If one can not obtain them off-the-shelf ( and there are a number of end-user providers distributing Linux on ARM processors ) then building ones own is probably a day-long exercise .
Taking a day to free oneself from the Intel/Microsoft Monopoly... A small investment for a large benefit ( disassociation from monopolistic providers is priceless ) has merit .
What levels are you willing to go to in order to experience " freedom of choice " ?
To choose an ARM based machine over an Atom based machine ?
If one is following the Atom bandwagon then I would suggest that you do not even understand the meaning of " freedom of choice " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do not accept this argument.
A simple Google search for "Linux ARM systems" yields 4.7 million pages.
Don't even begin to go down the path that ARM is not supported.
If one cannot obtain them off-the-shelf (and there are a number of end-user providers distributing Linux on ARM processors) then building ones own is probably a day-long exercise.
Taking a day to free oneself from the Intel/Microsoft Monopoly... A small investment for a large benefit (disassociation from monopolistic providers is priceless) has merit.
What levels are you willing to go to in order to experience "freedom of choice"?
To choose an ARM based machine over an Atom based machine?
If one is following the Atom bandwagon then I would suggest that you do not even understand the meaning of "freedom of choice".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30831724</id>
	<title>Re:Mac</title>
	<author>Erikderzweite</author>
	<datestamp>1264002120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Basically, you can't go by US prices in Europe. German Apple store sells Mac Mini for 549,00 &euro; or for 749,00 &euro; depending on configuration. So that is the number you should compare 359,00 &euro; for Open PC with.<br>So, it is not additional 90$, but 190&euro;. Whether it is reasonable or not is a matter of discussion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Basically , you ca n't go by US prices in Europe .
German Apple store sells Mac Mini for 549,00    or for 749,00    depending on configuration .
So that is the number you should compare 359,00    for Open PC with.So , it is not additional 90 $ , but 190    .
Whether it is reasonable or not is a matter of discussion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Basically, you can't go by US prices in Europe.
German Apple store sells Mac Mini for 549,00 € or for 749,00 € depending on configuration.
So that is the number you should compare 359,00 € for Open PC with.So, it is not additional 90$, but 190€.
Whether it is reasonable or not is a matter of discussion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828620</id>
	<title>Re:950 video at that price why not ion or a real d</title>
	<author>izomiac</author>
	<datestamp>1263924600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have to wonder why the 950 rather than something a little newer...  My laptop's a year old and has a 4500 MHD, which was equivalent to a low end nVidia or ATI card from a year prior, and can do h264 hardware decoding.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to wonder why the 950 rather than something a little newer... My laptop 's a year old and has a 4500 MHD , which was equivalent to a low end nVidia or ATI card from a year prior , and can do h264 hardware decoding .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to wonder why the 950 rather than something a little newer...  My laptop's a year old and has a 4500 MHD, which was equivalent to a low end nVidia or ATI card from a year prior, and can do h264 hardware decoding.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828238</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829240</id>
	<title>Nothing for me</title>
	<author>dopehouse</author>
	<datestamp>1264020360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, but for this price, I wouldn't get it. I bought a Notebook with Athlon X 2400+ and Radeon Mobility 3400HD for 400$ just six months ago. Why should I pay 360$ for an Intel Atom and that 950 crap?</p><p>I hoped they build some kind of real good PC, with a real CPU and not such a shitty thing like an Atom CPU. Same for the GPU.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , but for this price , I would n't get it .
I bought a Notebook with Athlon X 2400 + and Radeon Mobility 3400HD for 400 $ just six months ago .
Why should I pay 360 $ for an Intel Atom and that 950 crap ? I hoped they build some kind of real good PC , with a real CPU and not such a shitty thing like an Atom CPU .
Same for the GPU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, but for this price, I wouldn't get it.
I bought a Notebook with Athlon X 2400+ and Radeon Mobility 3400HD for 400$ just six months ago.
Why should I pay 360$ for an Intel Atom and that 950 crap?I hoped they build some kind of real good PC, with a real CPU and not such a shitty thing like an Atom CPU.
Same for the GPU.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828326</id>
	<title>Re:Failed slashvertisment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263921720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I can go to Walmart and get a better machine with Windows already on it for half the price.</p><p>For the second time I ask, who do I have to suck off to get my shitty product slashvertised?</p></div><p>You need to hack Roland Piquapaille's old accounts and submit your slashvertisements as him.  You can be damn sure that Slashdot's "editors" will have forgotten he passed away.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can go to Walmart and get a better machine with Windows already on it for half the price.For the second time I ask , who do I have to suck off to get my shitty product slashvertised ? You need to hack Roland Piquapaille 's old accounts and submit your slashvertisements as him .
You can be damn sure that Slashdot 's " editors " will have forgotten he passed away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can go to Walmart and get a better machine with Windows already on it for half the price.For the second time I ask, who do I have to suck off to get my shitty product slashvertised?You need to hack Roland Piquapaille's old accounts and submit your slashvertisements as him.
You can be damn sure that Slashdot's "editors" will have forgotten he passed away.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828284</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828450</id>
	<title>Finally!</title>
	<author>Daveez</author>
	<datestamp>1263922860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is great!
May not be the end all be all of machines
but it is a beginning.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is great !
May not be the end all be all of machines but it is a beginning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is great!
May not be the end all be all of machines
but it is a beginning.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30835548</id>
	<title>Re:"Energy efficient"?</title>
	<author>Ant P.</author>
	<datestamp>1264016820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You may be horrified to learn that the power supply coming into your house is rated for about 15 THOUSAND watts! And the number never changes! OH MY GOD!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You may be horrified to learn that the power supply coming into your house is rated for about 15 THOUSAND watts !
And the number never changes !
OH MY GOD ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may be horrified to learn that the power supply coming into your house is rated for about 15 THOUSAND watts!
And the number never changes!
OH MY GOD!!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828596</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829342</id>
	<title>Re:Mac</title>
	<author>yacc143</author>
	<datestamp>1263978840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, nobody has explained if and how much VAT is included in the 359.</p><p>This would be a critical price factor.</p><p>Because I can find Mac Minis from 444 including 20\% VAT, and 359 + 20\% VAT would be 430, pretty near, wouldn't you say.</p><p>Furthermore, even if the 359 are including VAT, you can get at this price point a name branded PC with more CPU, more RAM and more HDD easily.</p><p>E.g.: <a href="http://geizhals.at/eu/a401398.html" title="geizhals.at" rel="nofollow">http://geizhals.at/eu/a401398.html</a> [geizhals.at] (339, reasonable quad core CPU, 3GB RAM too, 320GB hdd, optical drive and Windows license)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , nobody has explained if and how much VAT is included in the 359.This would be a critical price factor.Because I can find Mac Minis from 444 including 20 \ % VAT , and 359 + 20 \ % VAT would be 430 , pretty near , would n't you say.Furthermore , even if the 359 are including VAT , you can get at this price point a name branded PC with more CPU , more RAM and more HDD easily.E.g .
: http : //geizhals.at/eu/a401398.html [ geizhals.at ] ( 339 , reasonable quad core CPU , 3GB RAM too , 320GB hdd , optical drive and Windows license )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, nobody has explained if and how much VAT is included in the 359.This would be a critical price factor.Because I can find Mac Minis from 444 including 20\% VAT, and 359 + 20\% VAT would be 430, pretty near, wouldn't you say.Furthermore, even if the 359 are including VAT, you can get at this price point a name branded PC with more CPU, more RAM and more HDD easily.E.g.
: http://geizhals.at/eu/a401398.html [geizhals.at] (339, reasonable quad core CPU, 3GB RAM too, 320GB hdd, optical drive and Windows license)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828474</id>
	<title>$500 (Monitor Sold Separately)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263923160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow!  A $500 Atom based desktop (monitor sold separately)... For reference, bought a $219 Acer netbook, with Windows and a smallish display (hey, it's a netbook).  Now that only came with 1 gig of ram, but for $30 I can swap that to 2 gig.  Fails worse that Coakley in MA!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow !
A $ 500 Atom based desktop ( monitor sold separately ) ... For reference , bought a $ 219 Acer netbook , with Windows and a smallish display ( hey , it 's a netbook ) .
Now that only came with 1 gig of ram , but for $ 30 I can swap that to 2 gig .
Fails worse that Coakley in MA ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow!
A $500 Atom based desktop (monitor sold separately)... For reference, bought a $219 Acer netbook, with Windows and a smallish display (hey, it's a netbook).
Now that only came with 1 gig of ram, but for $30 I can swap that to 2 gig.
Fails worse that Coakley in MA!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828800</id>
	<title>You Idiots Don't Get It</title>
	<author>mpapet</author>
	<datestamp>1263927180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Most of  you conveniently forget that this project is *very* low volume.  The price has to be higher.</p><p>2. Most of you also conveniently forget the importance of totally GPL-friendly hardware when it comes time to open your wallet.</p><p>A friendly reminder that the Trusted Computing Group can lock the user out of their hardware. Now.  This is not vaporware. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted\_Computing\_Group" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted\_Computing\_Group</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>Freedom has a price, and it's costs more than a similarly spec'd Dell/Walmart special.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Most of you conveniently forget that this project is * very * low volume .
The price has to be higher.2 .
Most of you also conveniently forget the importance of totally GPL-friendly hardware when it comes time to open your wallet.A friendly reminder that the Trusted Computing Group can lock the user out of their hardware .
Now. This is not vaporware .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted \ _Computing \ _Group [ wikipedia.org ] Freedom has a price , and it 's costs more than a similarly spec 'd Dell/Walmart special .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Most of  you conveniently forget that this project is *very* low volume.
The price has to be higher.2.
Most of you also conveniently forget the importance of totally GPL-friendly hardware when it comes time to open your wallet.A friendly reminder that the Trusted Computing Group can lock the user out of their hardware.
Now.  This is not vaporware.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted\_Computing\_Group [wikipedia.org]Freedom has a price, and it's costs more than a similarly spec'd Dell/Walmart special.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828460</id>
	<title>Re:Mac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263922920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually it's 190 Euro which exchanges for ~270 US dollars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually it 's 190 Euro which exchanges for ~ 270 US dollars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually it's 190 Euro which exchanges for ~270 US dollars.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828414</id>
	<title>Re:950 video at that price why not ion or a real d</title>
	<author>Siridar</author>
	<datestamp>1263922560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the nvidia ion? the one with closed-source drivers?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...hmm...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the nvidia ion ?
the one with closed-source drivers ?
...hmm.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the nvidia ion?
the one with closed-source drivers?
...hmm...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828238</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829034</id>
	<title>The price of freedom is always too high</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264017720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This will fall flat on it's ass just like every other open endeavour. Reason? Hard to make money when your target market is a bunch of freeloaders with fake principles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This will fall flat on it 's ass just like every other open endeavour .
Reason ? Hard to make money when your target market is a bunch of freeloaders with fake principles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This will fall flat on it's ass just like every other open endeavour.
Reason? Hard to make money when your target market is a bunch of freeloaders with fake principles.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828400</id>
	<title>you are kidding right?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263922260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the <a href="http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=DDPCLN1&amp;cs=19&amp;dgvcode=ss&amp;c=US&amp;l=EN&amp;vw=list&amp;dgc=CJ&amp;cid=24471&amp;lid=566643&amp;acd=10495476-1547706-studio$699" title="dell.com" rel="nofollow">dell studio hybrid</a> [dell.com] is $200 less, has a 2.1GHz core duo processor, and includes MS windows. i am sure there are other examples. really folks if anything this is an anti-linux desktop advertisement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the dell studio hybrid [ dell.com ] is $ 200 less , has a 2.1GHz core duo processor , and includes MS windows .
i am sure there are other examples .
really folks if anything this is an anti-linux desktop advertisement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the dell studio hybrid [dell.com] is $200 less, has a 2.1GHz core duo processor, and includes MS windows.
i am sure there are other examples.
really folks if anything this is an anti-linux desktop advertisement.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30844014</id>
	<title>Re:Why support Atoms?</title>
	<author>renoX</author>
	<datestamp>1264073160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;Purchasing a non-Windows system on an Atom makes no sense at all. The only current use for an Atom is to run Windows.</p><p>And Flash, and WINE, and Free software not ported to something else than x86..</p><p>&gt;and one has to wonder how/why KDE got selected given that there are 3+ other window managers available under Linux -- most of which have a much smaller footprint</p><p>Apparently you didn't even bother to go to the website: they made a poll and KDE was chosen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Purchasing a non-Windows system on an Atom makes no sense at all .
The only current use for an Atom is to run Windows.And Flash , and WINE , and Free software not ported to something else than x86.. &gt; and one has to wonder how/why KDE got selected given that there are 3 + other window managers available under Linux -- most of which have a much smaller footprintApparently you did n't even bother to go to the website : they made a poll and KDE was chosen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Purchasing a non-Windows system on an Atom makes no sense at all.
The only current use for an Atom is to run Windows.And Flash, and WINE, and Free software not ported to something else than x86..&gt;and one has to wonder how/why KDE got selected given that there are 3+ other window managers available under Linux -- most of which have a much smaller footprintApparently you didn't even bother to go to the website: they made a poll and KDE was chosen.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828894</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828264</id>
	<title>Pricey</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263921180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wanted to buy a Free PC, but I couldn't afford it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wanted to buy a Free PC , but I could n't afford it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wanted to buy a Free PC, but I couldn't afford it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30834582</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1264013100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>today, I can buy almost any laptop/desktop and install Ubuntu on it with little to no problems.</i></p><p>Really? Which laptop models support Sleep/Suspend?</p><p>I've yet to get that working on any hardware I've tried it on. (Dell laptop, HP laptop, Apple iBook.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>today , I can buy almost any laptop/desktop and install Ubuntu on it with little to no problems.Really ?
Which laptop models support Sleep/Suspend ? I 've yet to get that working on any hardware I 've tried it on .
( Dell laptop , HP laptop , Apple iBook .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>today, I can buy almost any laptop/desktop and install Ubuntu on it with little to no problems.Really?
Which laptop models support Sleep/Suspend?I've yet to get that working on any hardware I've tried it on.
(Dell laptop, HP laptop, Apple iBook.
)</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828774</id>
	<title>Re:950 video at that price why not ion or a real d</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263926700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Man, if you're satisfied by people moaning on Slashdot, you must be one happy camper.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Man , if you 're satisfied by people moaning on Slashdot , you must be one happy camper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man, if you're satisfied by people moaning on Slashdot, you must be one happy camper.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828392</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829514</id>
	<title>Re:Mac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263981240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As I'm not really into art or media and certainly not a social media guru, what possible use would i find for OS X?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As I 'm not really into art or media and certainly not a social media guru , what possible use would i find for OS X ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As I'm not really into art or media and certainly not a social media guru, what possible use would i find for OS X?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828342</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829006</id>
	<title>Re:Mac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263930900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So for 190 Euro more, you get OS X, a much faster, 64-bit, virtualisation-capable CPU, and a real GPU with dual display support, but lose 1GB RAM.  I see no mention of I/O on the OpenPC, either - the Mac Mini has USB ports for days and FireWire 800.</p></div><p>Great. But not everyone wants virtualisation, lots of USB connections, or Firewire on every computer they own. Some people want at least one computer just for surfing the web, email, and maybe reading the odd PDF.</p><p>Apple hardware is great and all but why spend extra money for extras you don't want?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So for 190 Euro more , you get OS X , a much faster , 64-bit , virtualisation-capable CPU , and a real GPU with dual display support , but lose 1GB RAM .
I see no mention of I/O on the OpenPC , either - the Mac Mini has USB ports for days and FireWire 800.Great .
But not everyone wants virtualisation , lots of USB connections , or Firewire on every computer they own .
Some people want at least one computer just for surfing the web , email , and maybe reading the odd PDF.Apple hardware is great and all but why spend extra money for extras you do n't want ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So for 190 Euro more, you get OS X, a much faster, 64-bit, virtualisation-capable CPU, and a real GPU with dual display support, but lose 1GB RAM.
I see no mention of I/O on the OpenPC, either - the Mac Mini has USB ports for days and FireWire 800.Great.
But not everyone wants virtualisation, lots of USB connections, or Firewire on every computer they own.
Some people want at least one computer just for surfing the web, email, and maybe reading the odd PDF.Apple hardware is great and all but why spend extra money for extras you don't want?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828342</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829616</id>
	<title>Re:950 video at that price why not ion or a real d</title>
	<author>nazsco</author>
	<datestamp>1263982740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm still waiting to people moan about the KDE tax.</p><p>why the fuck should I give money to KDE? i have never contributed with money to ANY open source project.</p><p>I contribute with code, bug reports, helping the community. And that's it.</p><p>Open source is only useful because we don't have money thirsty 'execs'. and that's why mozilla is not improving at the peace it should.</p><p>Also, I will probably use Ion or Gnome, so why should i pay a KDE tax? Let's pay the windows tax as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm still waiting to people moan about the KDE tax.why the fuck should I give money to KDE ?
i have never contributed with money to ANY open source project.I contribute with code , bug reports , helping the community .
And that 's it.Open source is only useful because we do n't have money thirsty 'execs' .
and that 's why mozilla is not improving at the peace it should.Also , I will probably use Ion or Gnome , so why should i pay a KDE tax ?
Let 's pay the windows tax as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm still waiting to people moan about the KDE tax.why the fuck should I give money to KDE?
i have never contributed with money to ANY open source project.I contribute with code, bug reports, helping the community.
And that's it.Open source is only useful because we don't have money thirsty 'execs'.
and that's why mozilla is not improving at the peace it should.Also, I will probably use Ion or Gnome, so why should i pay a KDE tax?
Let's pay the windows tax as well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828392</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829832</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft builds Linux powered OpenPC</title>
	<author>Aceticon</author>
	<datestamp>1263985080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>No, the extra $300 is what you pay for ordering all those parts and preparing an assembly line to make computers but in quantities of less than millions.</p></div></blockquote><p>Or maybe they could've just have them assembled in China. For an item at this price point, most manufacturers in there will hapilly run you a batch of 1000 and even print your logo on it for about 10\% of the cost (add about 5\% on top for a local 3rd party to do quality control).</p><p>Shipping a full container (size 20) from Shenzhen to Europe will set you back about $10000 (including insurance for $200k and paying for a customs clearence broker) for it all (so $10 each), plus maybe 10\% in duty tax (depends on the country) and another 15\% in VAT (again depends on the country).</p><p>Assume the parts were $200 (I'm being pessimistic here, since we're talking about parts bought in bulk) and add a 40\% markup on the final price for profit margin and your're still at about $400 per item (this with European style taxes and a 40\% profit margin).</p><p>Up to a point, a lot of the costs do grow slowly as the number of units you're having assembled and imported grows, but that only happens up to certain limits, beyond which the costs more or less grow linearly:<br>- Loads less than a container in size (LCL - Less-than-container loads) are much more expensive to ship than full container loads (FCL). In fact, anything smaller than a pallet (around 1 cubic meter) will cost the same as a whole pallet. However moving 2 containers simply costs you twice as much as moving 1.<br>- Shipping insurance grows linearly with the costs of the goods being transported.<br>- When importing to Europe, some of the most significant costs (duty tax, VAT) grow lineraly with the value of the goods.<br>- Customs clearence costs remain roughly the same independently of the size (they're per-shipment, although there is a variable component with regards to storage costs).<br>- Road transport in both sides is a lot cheaper if you're moving full containers. In fact you'll be hard pressed to find a shipping and transport company that is setup to move around anything less than a full container (if you need a pallet or two worth of goods they'll just send around a big truck - the kind used to move containers - loaded with them).</p><p>That said, for goods the size of a mini-PC, the 1000 units mark is enough to fill a container and enter into the economies of scale side of things - no need for "millions" of units.</p></div>
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<tokenext>No , the extra $ 300 is what you pay for ordering all those parts and preparing an assembly line to make computers but in quantities of less than millions.Or maybe they could 've just have them assembled in China .
For an item at this price point , most manufacturers in there will hapilly run you a batch of 1000 and even print your logo on it for about 10 \ % of the cost ( add about 5 \ % on top for a local 3rd party to do quality control ) .Shipping a full container ( size 20 ) from Shenzhen to Europe will set you back about $ 10000 ( including insurance for $ 200k and paying for a customs clearence broker ) for it all ( so $ 10 each ) , plus maybe 10 \ % in duty tax ( depends on the country ) and another 15 \ % in VAT ( again depends on the country ) .Assume the parts were $ 200 ( I 'm being pessimistic here , since we 're talking about parts bought in bulk ) and add a 40 \ % markup on the final price for profit margin and your 're still at about $ 400 per item ( this with European style taxes and a 40 \ % profit margin ) .Up to a point , a lot of the costs do grow slowly as the number of units you 're having assembled and imported grows , but that only happens up to certain limits , beyond which the costs more or less grow linearly : - Loads less than a container in size ( LCL - Less-than-container loads ) are much more expensive to ship than full container loads ( FCL ) .
In fact , anything smaller than a pallet ( around 1 cubic meter ) will cost the same as a whole pallet .
However moving 2 containers simply costs you twice as much as moving 1.- Shipping insurance grows linearly with the costs of the goods being transported.- When importing to Europe , some of the most significant costs ( duty tax , VAT ) grow lineraly with the value of the goods.- Customs clearence costs remain roughly the same independently of the size ( they 're per-shipment , although there is a variable component with regards to storage costs ) .- Road transport in both sides is a lot cheaper if you 're moving full containers .
In fact you 'll be hard pressed to find a shipping and transport company that is setup to move around anything less than a full container ( if you need a pallet or two worth of goods they 'll just send around a big truck - the kind used to move containers - loaded with them ) .That said , for goods the size of a mini-PC , the 1000 units mark is enough to fill a container and enter into the economies of scale side of things - no need for " millions " of units .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, the extra $300 is what you pay for ordering all those parts and preparing an assembly line to make computers but in quantities of less than millions.Or maybe they could've just have them assembled in China.
For an item at this price point, most manufacturers in there will hapilly run you a batch of 1000 and even print your logo on it for about 10\% of the cost (add about 5\% on top for a local 3rd party to do quality control).Shipping a full container (size 20) from Shenzhen to Europe will set you back about $10000 (including insurance for $200k and paying for a customs clearence broker) for it all (so $10 each), plus maybe 10\% in duty tax (depends on the country) and another 15\% in VAT (again depends on the country).Assume the parts were $200 (I'm being pessimistic here, since we're talking about parts bought in bulk) and add a 40\% markup on the final price for profit margin and your're still at about $400 per item (this with European style taxes and a 40\% profit margin).Up to a point, a lot of the costs do grow slowly as the number of units you're having assembled and imported grows, but that only happens up to certain limits, beyond which the costs more or less grow linearly:- Loads less than a container in size (LCL - Less-than-container loads) are much more expensive to ship than full container loads (FCL).
In fact, anything smaller than a pallet (around 1 cubic meter) will cost the same as a whole pallet.
However moving 2 containers simply costs you twice as much as moving 1.- Shipping insurance grows linearly with the costs of the goods being transported.- When importing to Europe, some of the most significant costs (duty tax, VAT) grow lineraly with the value of the goods.- Customs clearence costs remain roughly the same independently of the size (they're per-shipment, although there is a variable component with regards to storage costs).- Road transport in both sides is a lot cheaper if you're moving full containers.
In fact you'll be hard pressed to find a shipping and transport company that is setup to move around anything less than a full container (if you need a pallet or two worth of goods they'll just send around a big truck - the kind used to move containers - loaded with them).That said, for goods the size of a mini-PC, the 1000 units mark is enough to fill a container and enter into the economies of scale side of things - no need for "millions" of units.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829088</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264018560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I could only read the first two paragraphs...you HAVE to be RETARDED! Macs will continue in their mediocrity for a while and only appeal to smaller niche category of people. Sorry, but your dumb.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I could only read the first two paragraphs...you HAVE to be RETARDED !
Macs will continue in their mediocrity for a while and only appeal to smaller niche category of people .
Sorry , but your dumb .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I could only read the first two paragraphs...you HAVE to be RETARDED!
Macs will continue in their mediocrity for a while and only appeal to smaller niche category of people.
Sorry, but your dumb.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30833212</id>
	<title>Nice idea, but...</title>
	<author>sega01</author>
	<datestamp>1264008000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a nice idea, but it seems lacking. No DVI port? That one is pretty important to me. Also is highly priced, although maybe not for being mini ITX.</p><p>I would have been a lot more impressed if the specifications page was more in depth and it actually came with Coreboot and a DVI port. I've heard lots of bad things about Atom processors, too.</p><p>Nice job to them though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a nice idea , but it seems lacking .
No DVI port ?
That one is pretty important to me .
Also is highly priced , although maybe not for being mini ITX.I would have been a lot more impressed if the specifications page was more in depth and it actually came with Coreboot and a DVI port .
I 've heard lots of bad things about Atom processors , too.Nice job to them though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a nice idea, but it seems lacking.
No DVI port?
That one is pretty important to me.
Also is highly priced, although maybe not for being mini ITX.I would have been a lot more impressed if the specifications page was more in depth and it actually came with Coreboot and a DVI port.
I've heard lots of bad things about Atom processors, too.Nice job to them though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828914</id>
	<title>Re:Benefits of Full-Spec Hardware?</title>
	<author>dbIII</author>
	<datestamp>1263929100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't really understand the concept here.<br>There has been plenty of "full-spec hardware" for over a decade.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't really understand the concept here.There has been plenty of " full-spec hardware " for over a decade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't really understand the concept here.There has been plenty of "full-spec hardware" for over a decade.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30841222</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>bootup</author>
	<datestamp>1263999540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You miss the whole point of commercial efforts like this. By purchasing from small companies like this who are giving back you help create a market for GNU/Linux. That market increases the products that support GNU/Linux. You don't have to get this for yourself- especially if you are on a limited budget. Get it for a friend- or family member. This is a worthwhile cause-and not some gimmick by a large evil corporation. Dell's effort to support GNU/Linux is a total fraud. This one isn't.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You miss the whole point of commercial efforts like this .
By purchasing from small companies like this who are giving back you help create a market for GNU/Linux .
That market increases the products that support GNU/Linux .
You do n't have to get this for yourself- especially if you are on a limited budget .
Get it for a friend- or family member .
This is a worthwhile cause-and not some gimmick by a large evil corporation .
Dell 's effort to support GNU/Linux is a total fraud .
This one is n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You miss the whole point of commercial efforts like this.
By purchasing from small companies like this who are giving back you help create a market for GNU/Linux.
That market increases the products that support GNU/Linux.
You don't have to get this for yourself- especially if you are on a limited budget.
Get it for a friend- or family member.
This is a worthwhile cause-and not some gimmick by a large evil corporation.
Dell's effort to support GNU/Linux is a total fraud.
This one isn't.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828544</id>
	<title>Re:Failed slashvertisment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263923820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Card counting is NOT sick or immoral and it sure as hell doesn't hurt society -- for that matter it's also NOT illegal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Card counting is NOT sick or immoral and it sure as hell does n't hurt society -- for that matter it 's also NOT illegal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Card counting is NOT sick or immoral and it sure as hell doesn't hurt society -- for that matter it's also NOT illegal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828530</id>
	<title>Open Spec vs. Open Source Hardware</title>
	<author>starseeker</author>
	<datestamp>1263923640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This raises an interesting question - whether a PC like this, which purports to use hardware that is fully documented, is sufficiently "free" for every possible scenario.  A "more free" approach would be to use "open source hardware" (insofar as is legally possible, I believe things like GPS hardware have disclosure limits imposed by the legal system).  By "open source", I'm referring to hardware that includes not only API documentation but hardware descriptions usable for chip production - things like OpenSparc and the OpenGraphics card.  I doubt there are enough such pieces to form a fully functional PC (particularly when it comes to things like monitors) but for the sake of argument let's assume there are.</p><p>In theory, of course, the fewer restrictions on any IP related to making the computer work the better, but in practice modern PC hardware is not something that can be realistically produced (at least today) by any hobbyist.  The physical hardware also doesn't benefit from the "cheap copy" properties of software, so the in-depth knowledge of how to make the hardware is hard to apply even when present.  Also, such designs are (to my knowledge without exception, at least in the PC hardware arena) well behind the maximally performing hardware developed in non-open contexts.  So the price to pay for full hardware knowledge is quite steep in terms of performance.  The only real end-user applicable argument is that full hardware knowledge means the potential for better software support.</p><p>So a question for those in the open hardware community - is there potential for driver development using information of the kind available from OpenSparc and OpenGraphics to develop better performing drivers than can be achieved with the information (say) considered sufficient to permit inclusion of hardware in a product like the one in this article?  If not, are there any other benefits (aside from the admittedly non-trivial one of being able to learn anything you want to about your computer) to an "open source" hardware platform?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This raises an interesting question - whether a PC like this , which purports to use hardware that is fully documented , is sufficiently " free " for every possible scenario .
A " more free " approach would be to use " open source hardware " ( insofar as is legally possible , I believe things like GPS hardware have disclosure limits imposed by the legal system ) .
By " open source " , I 'm referring to hardware that includes not only API documentation but hardware descriptions usable for chip production - things like OpenSparc and the OpenGraphics card .
I doubt there are enough such pieces to form a fully functional PC ( particularly when it comes to things like monitors ) but for the sake of argument let 's assume there are.In theory , of course , the fewer restrictions on any IP related to making the computer work the better , but in practice modern PC hardware is not something that can be realistically produced ( at least today ) by any hobbyist .
The physical hardware also does n't benefit from the " cheap copy " properties of software , so the in-depth knowledge of how to make the hardware is hard to apply even when present .
Also , such designs are ( to my knowledge without exception , at least in the PC hardware arena ) well behind the maximally performing hardware developed in non-open contexts .
So the price to pay for full hardware knowledge is quite steep in terms of performance .
The only real end-user applicable argument is that full hardware knowledge means the potential for better software support.So a question for those in the open hardware community - is there potential for driver development using information of the kind available from OpenSparc and OpenGraphics to develop better performing drivers than can be achieved with the information ( say ) considered sufficient to permit inclusion of hardware in a product like the one in this article ?
If not , are there any other benefits ( aside from the admittedly non-trivial one of being able to learn anything you want to about your computer ) to an " open source " hardware platform ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This raises an interesting question - whether a PC like this, which purports to use hardware that is fully documented, is sufficiently "free" for every possible scenario.
A "more free" approach would be to use "open source hardware" (insofar as is legally possible, I believe things like GPS hardware have disclosure limits imposed by the legal system).
By "open source", I'm referring to hardware that includes not only API documentation but hardware descriptions usable for chip production - things like OpenSparc and the OpenGraphics card.
I doubt there are enough such pieces to form a fully functional PC (particularly when it comes to things like monitors) but for the sake of argument let's assume there are.In theory, of course, the fewer restrictions on any IP related to making the computer work the better, but in practice modern PC hardware is not something that can be realistically produced (at least today) by any hobbyist.
The physical hardware also doesn't benefit from the "cheap copy" properties of software, so the in-depth knowledge of how to make the hardware is hard to apply even when present.
Also, such designs are (to my knowledge without exception, at least in the PC hardware arena) well behind the maximally performing hardware developed in non-open contexts.
So the price to pay for full hardware knowledge is quite steep in terms of performance.
The only real end-user applicable argument is that full hardware knowledge means the potential for better software support.So a question for those in the open hardware community - is there potential for driver development using information of the kind available from OpenSparc and OpenGraphics to develop better performing drivers than can be achieved with the information (say) considered sufficient to permit inclusion of hardware in a product like the one in this article?
If not, are there any other benefits (aside from the admittedly non-trivial one of being able to learn anything you want to about your computer) to an "open source" hardware platform?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30834974</id>
	<title>Re:You Idiots Don't Get It</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264014840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The idiots blathering about "oh I can get a $foo machine with nvidia graphics for cheaper/just as much/a tiny bit more!" are ignorant about open source.  There is no such thing as a feature complete open source driver for nvidia graphics hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The idiots blathering about " oh I can get a $ foo machine with nvidia graphics for cheaper/just as much/a tiny bit more !
" are ignorant about open source .
There is no such thing as a feature complete open source driver for nvidia graphics hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The idiots blathering about "oh I can get a $foo machine with nvidia graphics for cheaper/just as much/a tiny bit more!
" are ignorant about open source.
There is no such thing as a feature complete open source driver for nvidia graphics hardware.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829118</id>
	<title>So wrong, in so many ways...</title>
	<author>keeboo</author>
	<datestamp>1264018920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ok, I guess I can live with Intel graphics (I don't play 3D games neither use fancy desktop effects).<br>
<br>
But for that price...<br>
Atom processor? I didn't know that using Linux meant you were a masochist.<br>
Yeah, I know Linux can be quite fast but, honestly, there are much better low-consumption processors there. That's a desktop, not a netbook with battery concerns.<br>
Even the most hardcore shell-only unix guy loves to issue a &quot;make -j 4&quot; and see all the cores working at full load and, soon after, work done.<br>
<br>
3GB ram... Why 3GB? Why not 4GB? This is not a PC meant for Windows, that 3GB limit means nothing to Linux even in 32bit versions (yeah yeah, I'm aware of PAE limitations).<br>
<br>
160GB HD. That's must be a joke. You only pick such HD when you want to save pennies in order to build the absolutely cheapest desktop.<br>
<br>
&quot;250watt power supply&quot;. I'm interested to know about the <i>power efficiency</i> of that power supply! You guys put an ATOM as processor, what is pointless unless you put a really, really efficient power supply.<br>
<br>
<br>
Aaarrrgh...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , I guess I can live with Intel graphics ( I do n't play 3D games neither use fancy desktop effects ) .
But for that price.. . Atom processor ?
I did n't know that using Linux meant you were a masochist .
Yeah , I know Linux can be quite fast but , honestly , there are much better low-consumption processors there .
That 's a desktop , not a netbook with battery concerns .
Even the most hardcore shell-only unix guy loves to issue a " make -j 4 " and see all the cores working at full load and , soon after , work done .
3GB ram... Why 3GB ?
Why not 4GB ?
This is not a PC meant for Windows , that 3GB limit means nothing to Linux even in 32bit versions ( yeah yeah , I 'm aware of PAE limitations ) .
160GB HD .
That 's must be a joke .
You only pick such HD when you want to save pennies in order to build the absolutely cheapest desktop .
" 250watt power supply " .
I 'm interested to know about the power efficiency of that power supply !
You guys put an ATOM as processor , what is pointless unless you put a really , really efficient power supply .
Aaarrrgh.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, I guess I can live with Intel graphics (I don't play 3D games neither use fancy desktop effects).
But for that price...
Atom processor?
I didn't know that using Linux meant you were a masochist.
Yeah, I know Linux can be quite fast but, honestly, there are much better low-consumption processors there.
That's a desktop, not a netbook with battery concerns.
Even the most hardcore shell-only unix guy loves to issue a "make -j 4" and see all the cores working at full load and, soon after, work done.
3GB ram... Why 3GB?
Why not 4GB?
This is not a PC meant for Windows, that 3GB limit means nothing to Linux even in 32bit versions (yeah yeah, I'm aware of PAE limitations).
160GB HD.
That's must be a joke.
You only pick such HD when you want to save pennies in order to build the absolutely cheapest desktop.
"250watt power supply".
I'm interested to know about the power efficiency of that power supply!
You guys put an ATOM as processor, what is pointless unless you put a really, really efficient power supply.
Aaarrrgh...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828394</id>
	<title>Re:Failed slashvertisment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263922260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You ignorant fool....  don't you understand that when you purchase a machine with Windows installed you are giving your money to a bloodthirsty, criminal organization bent on enslaving the entire world via proprietary software?  Maybe you don't care about <b>true freedom</b> the way Richard Stallman does, but this machine is designed to provide just that.  Proprietary software is like pedophilia, sodomy, card counting, or dog fighting.  It's sick, immoral, and it harms society as a whole.  If you want to enjoy using a computer with a clean conscience, this "Open PC" is the only way to go.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You ignorant fool.... do n't you understand that when you purchase a machine with Windows installed you are giving your money to a bloodthirsty , criminal organization bent on enslaving the entire world via proprietary software ?
Maybe you do n't care about true freedom the way Richard Stallman does , but this machine is designed to provide just that .
Proprietary software is like pedophilia , sodomy , card counting , or dog fighting .
It 's sick , immoral , and it harms society as a whole .
If you want to enjoy using a computer with a clean conscience , this " Open PC " is the only way to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You ignorant fool....  don't you understand that when you purchase a machine with Windows installed you are giving your money to a bloodthirsty, criminal organization bent on enslaving the entire world via proprietary software?
Maybe you don't care about true freedom the way Richard Stallman does, but this machine is designed to provide just that.
Proprietary software is like pedophilia, sodomy, card counting, or dog fighting.
It's sick, immoral, and it harms society as a whole.
If you want to enjoy using a computer with a clean conscience, this "Open PC" is the only way to go.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828630</id>
	<title>No wireless, of course</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263924720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No wireless chipset, of course. Because after 15 years of WiFi being in common usage worldwide, there still isn't a single chipset available with full support for 100\% free software. That's just sad.</p><p>Anybody who buys this instead of a Mac mini, which does include 802.11b/g/n, gigabit Ethernet, DVD burner and better graphics for virtually the same price, is a fool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No wireless chipset , of course .
Because after 15 years of WiFi being in common usage worldwide , there still is n't a single chipset available with full support for 100 \ % free software .
That 's just sad.Anybody who buys this instead of a Mac mini , which does include 802.11b/g/n , gigabit Ethernet , DVD burner and better graphics for virtually the same price , is a fool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No wireless chipset, of course.
Because after 15 years of WiFi being in common usage worldwide, there still isn't a single chipset available with full support for 100\% free software.
That's just sad.Anybody who buys this instead of a Mac mini, which does include 802.11b/g/n, gigabit Ethernet, DVD burner and better graphics for virtually the same price, is a fool.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30830352</id>
	<title>Netbooks / Nettops</title>
	<author>AVryhof</author>
	<datestamp>1263991200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My Asus eee netbook meets most of these specs, cost me $290 and I can carry it with me.</p><p>or - <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&amp;N=2032280010\%201141843301\%201143618759&amp;ShowDeactivatedMark=False" title="newegg.com">http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&amp;N=2032280010\%201141843301\%201143618759&amp;ShowDeactivatedMark=False</a> [newegg.com]</p><p>Sure, moan about the  &lt; 3GB of memory, but here are two points that will change that.  1. They start at a bit under half the price. 2. If you are running an Atom processor, most of what you will be doing won't need 3GB of memory...especially with Linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My Asus eee netbook meets most of these specs , cost me $ 290 and I can carry it with me.or - http : //www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx ? Submit = ENE&amp;N = 2032280010 \ % 201141843301 \ % 201143618759&amp;ShowDeactivatedMark = False [ newegg.com ] Sure , moan about the</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Asus eee netbook meets most of these specs, cost me $290 and I can carry it with me.or - http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&amp;N=2032280010\%201141843301\%201143618759&amp;ShowDeactivatedMark=False [newegg.com]Sure, moan about the  </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30834052</id>
	<title>Re:950 video at that price why not ion or a real d</title>
	<author>hitmark</author>
	<datestamp>1264011060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>probably because anything more recent uses powervr based graphics that are locked behind IP legislation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>probably because anything more recent uses powervr based graphics that are locked behind IP legislation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>probably because anything more recent uses powervr based graphics that are locked behind IP legislation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829796</id>
	<title>Re:Failed slashvertisment</title>
	<author>rakslice</author>
	<datestamp>1263984720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's hoping that the sodomy is only in the metaphorical economic sense =)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's hoping that the sodomy is only in the metaphorical economic sense = )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's hoping that the sodomy is only in the metaphorical economic sense =)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30832138</id>
	<title>Re:Pricey</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264004040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't, but if you don't accept the license, you can still use the software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't , but if you do n't accept the license , you can still use the software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't, but if you don't accept the license, you can still use the software.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30832698</id>
	<title>Re:It's not about the cost.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264006260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>why bother, for half the price you can build your very own crappy netbox (it would take you 30 min to assemble) then you can throw whatever you want on it</p><p>paying more than a windows pc, just so you can "stick it to microsoft" is plain retarded</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>why bother , for half the price you can build your very own crappy netbox ( it would take you 30 min to assemble ) then you can throw whatever you want on itpaying more than a windows pc , just so you can " stick it to microsoft " is plain retarded</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why bother, for half the price you can build your very own crappy netbox (it would take you 30 min to assemble) then you can throw whatever you want on itpaying more than a windows pc, just so you can "stick it to microsoft" is plain retarded</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829690</id>
	<title>So what you're saying is.....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263983460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For the same price, I can run a beowulf cluster of netbooks?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the same price , I can run a beowulf cluster of netbooks ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the same price, I can run a beowulf cluster of netbooks?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30853882</id>
	<title>Atom N330</title>
	<author>DragonWriter</author>
	<datestamp>1264076880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>So for 190 Euro more, you get OS X, a much faster, 64-bit, virtualisation-capable CPU, and a real GPU with dual display support, but lose 1GB RAM.</p></div></blockquote><p>Except that the OpenPC's Atom N330 is a dual core, 64-bit, processor. The C2D <i>is</i> faster, though. Both are capable of virtualization (virtualization predates the VT extensions), but the Atom N330 doesn't support Intel's VT extensions.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So for 190 Euro more , you get OS X , a much faster , 64-bit , virtualisation-capable CPU , and a real GPU with dual display support , but lose 1GB RAM.Except that the OpenPC 's Atom N330 is a dual core , 64-bit , processor .
The C2D is faster , though .
Both are capable of virtualization ( virtualization predates the VT extensions ) , but the Atom N330 does n't support Intel 's VT extensions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So for 190 Euro more, you get OS X, a much faster, 64-bit, virtualisation-capable CPU, and a real GPU with dual display support, but lose 1GB RAM.Except that the OpenPC's Atom N330 is a dual core, 64-bit, processor.
The C2D is faster, though.
Both are capable of virtualization (virtualization predates the VT extensions), but the Atom N330 doesn't support Intel's VT extensions.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828720</id>
	<title>Re:No wireless, of course</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263925800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>200+ dollar difference != virtually the same price.</p><p>Anybody who buys a Mac Mini instead of a Windows PC with superior specs and feature set for a lower price is a fool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>200 + dollar difference ! = virtually the same price.Anybody who buys a Mac Mini instead of a Windows PC with superior specs and feature set for a lower price is a fool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>200+ dollar difference != virtually the same price.Anybody who buys a Mac Mini instead of a Windows PC with superior specs and feature set for a lower price is a fool.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829352</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft builds Linux powered OpenPC</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1263979080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which is why I find this a strange project, it's like trying to develop a Linux exclusive game instead of a crossplatform one to share costs. The specs look extremely similar to existing nettops/netbooks, so why can't they? Scour the market for models, find one that has only Linux-compatible hardware already and ask the OEM "Hey, we would like to buy model XYZ from you in bulk, put Linux on them and sell and support that since you don't. We would like to be legally in the clear about it, could we come to a rebranding agreement or similar with your legal department?"</p><p>That sounds like the easiest and most competitive way, even if it comes on top of the bulk cost. Sure, everyone would know that it's someone else's PC with a new sticker but that could actually be positive. With that, they should be able to do installation + support + donation to KDE for less. Because I don't really mind supporting that, but here it seems you're more supporting a smalltime build-computer-by-parts project which happens to use Linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which is why I find this a strange project , it 's like trying to develop a Linux exclusive game instead of a crossplatform one to share costs .
The specs look extremely similar to existing nettops/netbooks , so why ca n't they ?
Scour the market for models , find one that has only Linux-compatible hardware already and ask the OEM " Hey , we would like to buy model XYZ from you in bulk , put Linux on them and sell and support that since you do n't .
We would like to be legally in the clear about it , could we come to a rebranding agreement or similar with your legal department ?
" That sounds like the easiest and most competitive way , even if it comes on top of the bulk cost .
Sure , everyone would know that it 's someone else 's PC with a new sticker but that could actually be positive .
With that , they should be able to do installation + support + donation to KDE for less .
Because I do n't really mind supporting that , but here it seems you 're more supporting a smalltime build-computer-by-parts project which happens to use Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which is why I find this a strange project, it's like trying to develop a Linux exclusive game instead of a crossplatform one to share costs.
The specs look extremely similar to existing nettops/netbooks, so why can't they?
Scour the market for models, find one that has only Linux-compatible hardware already and ask the OEM "Hey, we would like to buy model XYZ from you in bulk, put Linux on them and sell and support that since you don't.
We would like to be legally in the clear about it, could we come to a rebranding agreement or similar with your legal department?
"That sounds like the easiest and most competitive way, even if it comes on top of the bulk cost.
Sure, everyone would know that it's someone else's PC with a new sticker but that could actually be positive.
With that, they should be able to do installation + support + donation to KDE for less.
Because I don't really mind supporting that, but here it seems you're more supporting a smalltime build-computer-by-parts project which happens to use Linux.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829818</id>
	<title>Re:950 video at that price why not ion or a real d</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263984960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The open source drivers available for both ATI and NVIDIA suck bad enough that you may as well have an 950. Both ATI's and NVIDIA's open source drivers are barely 3D capable.  If that doesn't bother you (eg. you only open office, firefox, etc), a 950 will do just as well.</p><p>If you want reasonable 3D support (you play games or do serious workstation graphics) then you're talking closed source NVIDIA.  (ATI's blob will do if you don't mind frequent artifacting, lockups, and lagging support for new kernels, xorgs releases, and new hardware.)</p><p>ATI's open drivers are getting there (maybe by 2015?) and Nouveau is neat.  I hope they keep plugging away, but there really is only ONE 3D solution for Linux right now and it happens to be closed source.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The open source drivers available for both ATI and NVIDIA suck bad enough that you may as well have an 950 .
Both ATI 's and NVIDIA 's open source drivers are barely 3D capable .
If that does n't bother you ( eg .
you only open office , firefox , etc ) , a 950 will do just as well.If you want reasonable 3D support ( you play games or do serious workstation graphics ) then you 're talking closed source NVIDIA .
( ATI 's blob will do if you do n't mind frequent artifacting , lockups , and lagging support for new kernels , xorgs releases , and new hardware .
) ATI 's open drivers are getting there ( maybe by 2015 ?
) and Nouveau is neat .
I hope they keep plugging away , but there really is only ONE 3D solution for Linux right now and it happens to be closed source .
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The open source drivers available for both ATI and NVIDIA suck bad enough that you may as well have an 950.
Both ATI's and NVIDIA's open source drivers are barely 3D capable.
If that doesn't bother you (eg.
you only open office, firefox, etc), a 950 will do just as well.If you want reasonable 3D support (you play games or do serious workstation graphics) then you're talking closed source NVIDIA.
(ATI's blob will do if you don't mind frequent artifacting, lockups, and lagging support for new kernels, xorgs releases, and new hardware.
)ATI's open drivers are getting there (maybe by 2015?
) and Nouveau is neat.
I hope they keep plugging away, but there really is only ONE 3D solution for Linux right now and it happens to be closed source.
:(</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30832148</id>
	<title>two linux-only vendors</title>
	<author>Trelane</author>
	<datestamp>1264004100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>if you want linux pre-installed, there are a number of options for linux-only vendors. I've had good experiences with <a href="http://system76.com/" title="system76.com">System76</a> [system76.com], and heard good things about <a href="http://zareason.com/" title="zareason.com">ZaReason</a> [zareason.com]. Of corse, you could pay the MS Tax on you hardware, but these two are pretty competitive, and you get Linux support and (to the extent they control it) hardware that was designed for Linux (a big deal for suspend/resume and making hardware Just Work, until vendors can stop cutting corners (e.g. broken DSDTs, see problems with Microsoft's compiler (which is pretty much the only one in use, except sometimes when Linux is pre-installed) and the recent foxconn debacle) and working around bugs in their windows-only drivers!)

So basically, Linux-supporting hardware is less hassle, full vendor support, and fairly comparably priced.</htmltext>
<tokenext>if you want linux pre-installed , there are a number of options for linux-only vendors .
I 've had good experiences with System76 [ system76.com ] , and heard good things about ZaReason [ zareason.com ] .
Of corse , you could pay the MS Tax on you hardware , but these two are pretty competitive , and you get Linux support and ( to the extent they control it ) hardware that was designed for Linux ( a big deal for suspend/resume and making hardware Just Work , until vendors can stop cutting corners ( e.g .
broken DSDTs , see problems with Microsoft 's compiler ( which is pretty much the only one in use , except sometimes when Linux is pre-installed ) and the recent foxconn debacle ) and working around bugs in their windows-only drivers !
) So basically , Linux-supporting hardware is less hassle , full vendor support , and fairly comparably priced .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if you want linux pre-installed, there are a number of options for linux-only vendors.
I've had good experiences with System76 [system76.com], and heard good things about ZaReason [zareason.com].
Of corse, you could pay the MS Tax on you hardware, but these two are pretty competitive, and you get Linux support and (to the extent they control it) hardware that was designed for Linux (a big deal for suspend/resume and making hardware Just Work, until vendors can stop cutting corners (e.g.
broken DSDTs, see problems with Microsoft's compiler (which is pretty much the only one in use, except sometimes when Linux is pre-installed) and the recent foxconn debacle) and working around bugs in their windows-only drivers!
)

So basically, Linux-supporting hardware is less hassle, full vendor support, and fairly comparably priced.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30830694</id>
	<title>Re:950 video at that price why not ion or a real d</title>
	<author>ThatsNotPudding</author>
	<datestamp>1263995640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Came here to hear somebody moan about the graphics and am leaving satisfied.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Rule 34 invoked.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Came here to hear somebody moan about the graphics and am leaving satisfied .
Rule 34 invoked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Came here to hear somebody moan about the graphics and am leaving satisfied.
Rule 34 invoked.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30830612</id>
	<title>Re:Benefits of Full-Spec Hardware?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263994560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Of course if you look at this from a strict price/performance standpoint, it's not going to win - the point is solid support of the hardware is possible with fully open source code.</i> </p><p>You're talking about a PC that costs $495 US.  I can go to NewEgg and buy parts to build essentially the same thing (same CPU, chipset, etc) with 4GB of RAM for $275.  The only people who are really going to care about having a PC that is 100\% hardware supported by open source code are going to be people who can build their own, right?  After all, if you can roll your own OS then you can certainly slap together 3-4 PC components to make a PC.  So what's the extra $220 get me?  If I'm that concerned about things being 100\% open source compatible then you can keep the Intel GMA950 chipset (which is 3 year old technology, by the way) and get an LGA775 board using it (they still sell a handful of them).  That extra $220 could easily cover the cost of a Core 2 Duo, 8GB of RAM, and a larger hard drive (750GB-1TB range).  Being green is nice, but I'll take a lot more functionality over a little more power savings for the same price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course if you look at this from a strict price/performance standpoint , it 's not going to win - the point is solid support of the hardware is possible with fully open source code .
You 're talking about a PC that costs $ 495 US .
I can go to NewEgg and buy parts to build essentially the same thing ( same CPU , chipset , etc ) with 4GB of RAM for $ 275 .
The only people who are really going to care about having a PC that is 100 \ % hardware supported by open source code are going to be people who can build their own , right ?
After all , if you can roll your own OS then you can certainly slap together 3-4 PC components to make a PC .
So what 's the extra $ 220 get me ?
If I 'm that concerned about things being 100 \ % open source compatible then you can keep the Intel GMA950 chipset ( which is 3 year old technology , by the way ) and get an LGA775 board using it ( they still sell a handful of them ) .
That extra $ 220 could easily cover the cost of a Core 2 Duo , 8GB of RAM , and a larger hard drive ( 750GB-1TB range ) .
Being green is nice , but I 'll take a lot more functionality over a little more power savings for the same price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course if you look at this from a strict price/performance standpoint, it's not going to win - the point is solid support of the hardware is possible with fully open source code.
You're talking about a PC that costs $495 US.
I can go to NewEgg and buy parts to build essentially the same thing (same CPU, chipset, etc) with 4GB of RAM for $275.
The only people who are really going to care about having a PC that is 100\% hardware supported by open source code are going to be people who can build their own, right?
After all, if you can roll your own OS then you can certainly slap together 3-4 PC components to make a PC.
So what's the extra $220 get me?
If I'm that concerned about things being 100\% open source compatible then you can keep the Intel GMA950 chipset (which is 3 year old technology, by the way) and get an LGA775 board using it (they still sell a handful of them).
That extra $220 could easily cover the cost of a Core 2 Duo, 8GB of RAM, and a larger hard drive (750GB-1TB range).
Being green is nice, but I'll take a lot more functionality over a little more power savings for the same price.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829238</id>
	<title>Re:Failed slashvertisment</title>
	<author>koiransuklaa</author>
	<datestamp>1264020360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ah, I see you haven't followed  how gadget prices work in EU vs US... otherwise you would have known 175 euros is not the equivalent of $250 -- prices I've seen elsewhere in Europe indicate the Zino costs more than 300 euros here (it's not available in my country yet for some reason).</p><p>Any better examples, preferably with prices from a EU store?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ah , I see you have n't followed how gadget prices work in EU vs US... otherwise you would have known 175 euros is not the equivalent of $ 250 -- prices I 've seen elsewhere in Europe indicate the Zino costs more than 300 euros here ( it 's not available in my country yet for some reason ) .Any better examples , preferably with prices from a EU store ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ah, I see you haven't followed  how gadget prices work in EU vs US... otherwise you would have known 175 euros is not the equivalent of $250 -- prices I've seen elsewhere in Europe indicate the Zino costs more than 300 euros here (it's not available in my country yet for some reason).Any better examples, preferably with prices from a EU store?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829908</id>
	<title>I'd buy this</title>
	<author>randomsearch</author>
	<datestamp>1263985920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As everyone's being so negative about this, I thought I'd throw in my 2c.</p><p>I quite like this idea, in fact I may well buy one.  I'd never heard of it before today.</p><p>Reasons I'd buy it:</p><p>1. Form factor is neat and a sensible design (I'm tired of my big old clunky PC box taking up a lot of space).</p><p>2. I only use Linux, and the fact that someone's gone to the effort of ensuring everything will work for me is great.  No hassle searching the net trying to work out which hardware to buy.  I'm busy and this saves me time.</p><p>3. The price point is good.  Macs might offer you a better price/performance ratio - but I don't care.  I want something that is sufficient at a low price.  This is 190 euros cheaper than a Mac Mini, so that is 190 euros saved.  I don't care if it could have been more powerful for just a bit more cash. I also know exactly what hardware is in it, and it's been chosen by people thinking about more than margins (unlike Apple, who anecdotally at least seem to be very good at choosing hardware that breaks frequently).</p><p>4. I like the idea of the project and the fact that it gives money to the open source community.</p><p>My main criticism is that the hard disk size is a little small.</p><p>RS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As everyone 's being so negative about this , I thought I 'd throw in my 2c.I quite like this idea , in fact I may well buy one .
I 'd never heard of it before today.Reasons I 'd buy it : 1 .
Form factor is neat and a sensible design ( I 'm tired of my big old clunky PC box taking up a lot of space ) .2 .
I only use Linux , and the fact that someone 's gone to the effort of ensuring everything will work for me is great .
No hassle searching the net trying to work out which hardware to buy .
I 'm busy and this saves me time.3 .
The price point is good .
Macs might offer you a better price/performance ratio - but I do n't care .
I want something that is sufficient at a low price .
This is 190 euros cheaper than a Mac Mini , so that is 190 euros saved .
I do n't care if it could have been more powerful for just a bit more cash .
I also know exactly what hardware is in it , and it 's been chosen by people thinking about more than margins ( unlike Apple , who anecdotally at least seem to be very good at choosing hardware that breaks frequently ) .4 .
I like the idea of the project and the fact that it gives money to the open source community.My main criticism is that the hard disk size is a little small.RS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As everyone's being so negative about this, I thought I'd throw in my 2c.I quite like this idea, in fact I may well buy one.
I'd never heard of it before today.Reasons I'd buy it:1.
Form factor is neat and a sensible design (I'm tired of my big old clunky PC box taking up a lot of space).2.
I only use Linux, and the fact that someone's gone to the effort of ensuring everything will work for me is great.
No hassle searching the net trying to work out which hardware to buy.
I'm busy and this saves me time.3.
The price point is good.
Macs might offer you a better price/performance ratio - but I don't care.
I want something that is sufficient at a low price.
This is 190 euros cheaper than a Mac Mini, so that is 190 euros saved.
I don't care if it could have been more powerful for just a bit more cash.
I also know exactly what hardware is in it, and it's been chosen by people thinking about more than margins (unlike Apple, who anecdotally at least seem to be very good at choosing hardware that breaks frequently).4.
I like the idea of the project and the fact that it gives money to the open source community.My main criticism is that the hard disk size is a little small.RS</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828966</id>
	<title>Re:Mac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263929880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess its a trade off, for 190 euro you get better hardware but the hassle of removing OSX and installing your own operating system. Pay less, get sucky hardware and a decent OS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess its a trade off , for 190 euro you get better hardware but the hassle of removing OSX and installing your own operating system .
Pay less , get sucky hardware and a decent OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess its a trade off, for 190 euro you get better hardware but the hassle of removing OSX and installing your own operating system.
Pay less, get sucky hardware and a decent OS.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828596</id>
	<title>"Energy efficient"?</title>
	<author>Ichijo</author>
	<datestamp>1263924360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the specs:</p><blockquote><div><p>250watt power supply</p></div></blockquote><p>I was hoping for something energy efficient like the summary claimed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the specs : 250watt power supplyI was hoping for something energy efficient like the summary claimed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the specs:250watt power supplyI was hoping for something energy efficient like the summary claimed.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828526</id>
	<title>Better be CoreBoot.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263923640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not 100\% free unless the BIOS is Free.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..and if it's not 100\%, its not even a novelty, just an expensive lightweight.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not 100 \ % free unless the BIOS is Free .
..and if it 's not 100 \ % , its not even a novelty , just an expensive lightweight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not 100\% free unless the BIOS is Free.
..and if it's not 100\%, its not even a novelty, just an expensive lightweight.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30831158</id>
	<title>Free drivers?...puhlease...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263999420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only uses hardware that has FREE drivers...</p><p>as opposed to my SONY VAIO running Linux Mint with ToTally FREE drivers. Yep, never paid a cent for those babies.  I guess I must of stole em.</p><p>How about trying only uses hardware that has OPEN Source drivers? AH YES, much better.</p><p>Fail on the slashvertissement, fail on the grammar, fail on correct use of terminology. EPIC FAIL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only uses hardware that has FREE drivers...as opposed to my SONY VAIO running Linux Mint with ToTally FREE drivers .
Yep , never paid a cent for those babies .
I guess I must of stole em.How about trying only uses hardware that has OPEN Source drivers ?
AH YES , much better.Fail on the slashvertissement , fail on the grammar , fail on correct use of terminology .
EPIC FAIL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only uses hardware that has FREE drivers...as opposed to my SONY VAIO running Linux Mint with ToTally FREE drivers.
Yep, never paid a cent for those babies.
I guess I must of stole em.How about trying only uses hardware that has OPEN Source drivers?
AH YES, much better.Fail on the slashvertissement, fail on the grammar, fail on correct use of terminology.
EPIC FAIL.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828882</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263928380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I kept saying the same thing until trying to get Suspend to Ram and Hibernate working on 3 desktops (2 Dells, 1 HP) and 2 laptops (1 Dell, 1 Lenovo) this past week.  I was able to get Suspend to Ram working on 3 of the machines, but trying to suspend 2 or 3 times without rebooting would cause an unexpected shut down.
<br> <br>
"Google searching" the problem with the keywords <b>Ubuntu</b> and <b>suspend</b> shows how horrible suspend/hibernate support is on Linux.  The first link that pops up is a request to fix the bug in Ubuntu.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I kept saying the same thing until trying to get Suspend to Ram and Hibernate working on 3 desktops ( 2 Dells , 1 HP ) and 2 laptops ( 1 Dell , 1 Lenovo ) this past week .
I was able to get Suspend to Ram working on 3 of the machines , but trying to suspend 2 or 3 times without rebooting would cause an unexpected shut down .
" Google searching " the problem with the keywords Ubuntu and suspend shows how horrible suspend/hibernate support is on Linux .
The first link that pops up is a request to fix the bug in Ubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I kept saying the same thing until trying to get Suspend to Ram and Hibernate working on 3 desktops (2 Dells, 1 HP) and 2 laptops (1 Dell, 1 Lenovo) this past week.
I was able to get Suspend to Ram working on 3 of the machines, but trying to suspend 2 or 3 times without rebooting would cause an unexpected shut down.
"Google searching" the problem with the keywords Ubuntu and suspend shows how horrible suspend/hibernate support is on Linux.
The first link that pops up is a request to fix the bug in Ubuntu.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30830914</id>
	<title>Only free software...puhlease...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263997680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> significantly &mdash; uses only hardware that has free software drivers available.</p><p>Oh, unlike my sony vaio running Linux mint<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...with drivers that i've never paid a cent for<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...hence free.</p><p>Maybe try this....only using hardware that has OPEN SOURCE drivers.</p><p>these misuses of terminology...go back to grammar school.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>significantly    uses only hardware that has free software drivers available.Oh , unlike my sony vaio running Linux mint ...with drivers that i 've never paid a cent for ...hence free.Maybe try this....only using hardware that has OPEN SOURCE drivers.these misuses of terminology...go back to grammar school .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> significantly — uses only hardware that has free software drivers available.Oh, unlike my sony vaio running Linux mint ...with drivers that i've never paid a cent for ...hence free.Maybe try this....only using hardware that has OPEN SOURCE drivers.these misuses of terminology...go back to grammar school.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30830656</id>
	<title>Re:Failed slashvertisment</title>
	<author>chrb</author>
	<datestamp>1263995100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No you can't. You missed the fact that this PC is being sold in Europe. The UK equivalent of Walmart is ASDA (which is owned by Walmart). The only desktop PC they sell at the moment is <a href="http://direct.asda.com/Desktop-PCs/4062,default,sc.html" title="asda.com">this thing</a> [asda.com], which costs &pound;400 - the equivalent of &euro;460. So the "slashvertised" PC being discussed is about 100 Euros cheaper than the best you could buy at the UK's  "Walmart". It's probably a similar story in the rest of Europe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No you ca n't .
You missed the fact that this PC is being sold in Europe .
The UK equivalent of Walmart is ASDA ( which is owned by Walmart ) .
The only desktop PC they sell at the moment is this thing [ asda.com ] , which costs   400 - the equivalent of    460 .
So the " slashvertised " PC being discussed is about 100 Euros cheaper than the best you could buy at the UK 's " Walmart " .
It 's probably a similar story in the rest of Europe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No you can't.
You missed the fact that this PC is being sold in Europe.
The UK equivalent of Walmart is ASDA (which is owned by Walmart).
The only desktop PC they sell at the moment is this thing [asda.com], which costs £400 - the equivalent of €460.
So the "slashvertised" PC being discussed is about 100 Euros cheaper than the best you could buy at the UK's  "Walmart".
It's probably a similar story in the rest of Europe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30831248</id>
	<title>Re:950 video at that price why not ion or a real d</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263999900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Atom board.  You get a 950, a 500 (PowerVR  SGX-530...), or an ION on pretty much all the Atom motherboards.  Most of them also don't have a PCI-E slot so you can't boost your GPU there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Atom board .
You get a 950 , a 500 ( PowerVR SGX-530... ) , or an ION on pretty much all the Atom motherboards .
Most of them also do n't have a PCI-E slot so you ca n't boost your GPU there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Atom board.
You get a 950, a 500 (PowerVR  SGX-530...), or an ION on pretty much all the Atom motherboards.
Most of them also don't have a PCI-E slot so you can't boost your GPU there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30832166</id>
	<title>Re:Better option.</title>
	<author>CMOS4081</author>
	<datestamp>1264004160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apenas vi el precio me dije estos estan robando a lo loco que hdp. Buen ejemplo chabon.

When I checked online I could not belive the over rated price these people are selling the computer for. As the friend from Argentina pointed out, in his review, prices for electronics in that country are high and inflated.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apenas vi el precio me dije estos estan robando a lo loco que hdp .
Buen ejemplo chabon .
When I checked online I could not belive the over rated price these people are selling the computer for .
As the friend from Argentina pointed out , in his review , prices for electronics in that country are high and inflated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apenas vi el precio me dije estos estan robando a lo loco que hdp.
Buen ejemplo chabon.
When I checked online I could not belive the over rated price these people are selling the computer for.
As the friend from Argentina pointed out, in his review, prices for electronics in that country are high and inflated.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828284</id>
	<title>Failed slashvertisment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263921360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can go to Walmart and get a better machine with Windows already on it for half the price.</p><p>For the second time I ask, who do I have to suck off to get my shitty product slashvertised?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can go to Walmart and get a better machine with Windows already on it for half the price.For the second time I ask , who do I have to suck off to get my shitty product slashvertised ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can go to Walmart and get a better machine with Windows already on it for half the price.For the second time I ask, who do I have to suck off to get my shitty product slashvertised?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829448</id>
	<title>Simple: Because it's "OPEN"</title>
	<author>Joce640k</author>
	<datestamp>1263980400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some people pay more for Macs - because they see value somewhere.</p><p>Some people will pay extra to drive a Toyota Prius - because they're idiots.</p><p>Some people will pay more for "open" computing - for the same reasons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some people pay more for Macs - because they see value somewhere.Some people will pay extra to drive a Toyota Prius - because they 're idiots.Some people will pay more for " open " computing - for the same reasons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some people pay more for Macs - because they see value somewhere.Some people will pay extra to drive a Toyota Prius - because they're idiots.Some people will pay more for "open" computing - for the same reasons.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829764</id>
	<title>Re:Failed slashvertisment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263984240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please list your components, and where you bought them!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please list your components , and where you bought them !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please list your components, and where you bought them!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828212</id>
	<title>Mac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263920760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The prices approach the price of Apple hardware.  I'd rather get a Mac and run Linux on an open source VM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The prices approach the price of Apple hardware .
I 'd rather get a Mac and run Linux on an open source VM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The prices approach the price of Apple hardware.
I'd rather get a Mac and run Linux on an open source VM.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30830574</id>
	<title>Re:Failed slashvertisment</title>
	<author>dreamchaser</author>
	<datestamp>1263994080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>You ignorant fool.... don't you understand that when you purchase a machine with Windows installed you are giving your money to a bloodthirsty, criminal organization bent on enslaving the entire world via proprietary software? Maybe you don't care about true freedom the way Richard Stallman does, but this machine is designed to provide just that. Proprietary software is like pedophilia, sodomy, card counting, or dog fighting. It's sick, immoral, and it harms society as a whole. If you want to enjoy using a computer with a clean conscience, this "Open PC" is the only way to go.</i></p><p>That makes about as much sense as saying downloading copyrighted material is akin to bank robbery.  Your analogy is probably even worse than that, and you, sir, are showing YOUR ignorance and foolishness.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ignorant fool.... do n't you understand that when you purchase a machine with Windows installed you are giving your money to a bloodthirsty , criminal organization bent on enslaving the entire world via proprietary software ?
Maybe you do n't care about true freedom the way Richard Stallman does , but this machine is designed to provide just that .
Proprietary software is like pedophilia , sodomy , card counting , or dog fighting .
It 's sick , immoral , and it harms society as a whole .
If you want to enjoy using a computer with a clean conscience , this " Open PC " is the only way to go.That makes about as much sense as saying downloading copyrighted material is akin to bank robbery .
Your analogy is probably even worse than that , and you , sir , are showing YOUR ignorance and foolishness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You ignorant fool.... don't you understand that when you purchase a machine with Windows installed you are giving your money to a bloodthirsty, criminal organization bent on enslaving the entire world via proprietary software?
Maybe you don't care about true freedom the way Richard Stallman does, but this machine is designed to provide just that.
Proprietary software is like pedophilia, sodomy, card counting, or dog fighting.
It's sick, immoral, and it harms society as a whole.
If you want to enjoy using a computer with a clean conscience, this "Open PC" is the only way to go.That makes about as much sense as saying downloading copyrighted material is akin to bank robbery.
Your analogy is probably even worse than that, and you, sir, are showing YOUR ignorance and foolishness.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828784</id>
	<title>Re:Failed slashvertisment</title>
	<author>Korbeau</author>
	<datestamp>1263926880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Proprietary software is like pedophilia, sodomy, card counting, or dog fighting.  It's sick, immoral, and it harms society as a whole.</p></div><p>But all that stuff<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... pedophilia, sodomy, card counting<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... can still do this with Open PC, right?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Proprietary software is like pedophilia , sodomy , card counting , or dog fighting .
It 's sick , immoral , and it harms society as a whole.But all that stuff ... pedophilia , sodomy , card counting ... can still do this with Open PC , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Proprietary software is like pedophilia, sodomy, card counting, or dog fighting.
It's sick, immoral, and it harms society as a whole.But all that stuff ... pedophilia, sodomy, card counting ... can still do this with Open PC, right?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828328</id>
	<title>A match made in Heaven.</title>
	<author>RMS Eats Toejam</author>
	<datestamp>1263921720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well....  it's ugly, underpowered, and it runs Linux...  but this will go perfect with my Openmoko phone!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well.... it 's ugly , underpowered , and it runs Linux... but this will go perfect with my Openmoko phone !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well....  it's ugly, underpowered, and it runs Linux...  but this will go perfect with my Openmoko phone!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30831086</id>
	<title>No love for open HARDWARE?</title>
	<author>Ellis D. Tripp</author>
	<datestamp>1263999060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the "specifications" page at the link:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Only components with complete technical specifications, as provided by the manufacturers, were used.</p> </div><p>So where are the schematics, PC board artwork, parts lists, mechanical drawings of the chassis and brackets, etc.?</p><p>Not to mention the fact that the chip designs are copyrighted by Intel...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the " specifications " page at the link : Only components with complete technical specifications , as provided by the manufacturers , were used .
So where are the schematics , PC board artwork , parts lists , mechanical drawings of the chassis and brackets , etc .
? Not to mention the fact that the chip designs are copyrighted by Intel.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the "specifications" page at the link:Only components with complete technical specifications, as provided by the manufacturers, were used.
So where are the schematics, PC board artwork, parts lists, mechanical drawings of the chassis and brackets, etc.
?Not to mention the fact that the chip designs are copyrighted by Intel...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829252</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Gavagai80</author>
	<datestamp>1264020600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're either very lucky or a hardware expert. I've had troubles on all five computers I've installed linux on over the years. My new netbook is a nightmare with the gma 500 graphics driver and sound not even working in ubuntu.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're either very lucky or a hardware expert .
I 've had troubles on all five computers I 've installed linux on over the years .
My new netbook is a nightmare with the gma 500 graphics driver and sound not even working in ubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're either very lucky or a hardware expert.
I've had troubles on all five computers I've installed linux on over the years.
My new netbook is a nightmare with the gma 500 graphics driver and sound not even working in ubuntu.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30833168</id>
	<title>Re:Benefits of Full-Spec Hardware?</title>
	<author>Warbothong</author>
	<datestamp>1264007880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Apple wins in the market because they create a smooth, integrated experience that has view technical "gotchas" waiting to pounce on the consumer.  The point of projects such as this (IMHO anyway) is to try to achieve something similar with open source - a hardware/software stack that can be tuned for a performance that, while perhaps not the fastest possible, is "smooth".</p><p>Realistically, how much horsepower is actually needed for anything not involving heavy duty graphics or video editing?  Wouldn't it perhaps be worth trading off a bit of the "latest and greatest" hardware performance for something that was quality components, solid support and would run reliably for a long time?  I know I'd be interested.</p><p>It'll be interesting to see if they can find a way to illustrate the benefits of such an experience, even if they can create it - and whether the open source audience will be sufficiently impressed to buy it or not.</p></div><p>Still undecided whether I'd buy one for myself (my current desktop's still doing fine, 1.6GHz 32bit Athlon, 256MB RAM, ATI Radeon 9200, if I get some more RAM it should last for a while longer), but I'd certainly recommend it to others. Being "the computer guy" for quite a few people who don't notice their new PC came with a new OS, but did notice that it came with a different browser, I'm sick of doing over-the-phone/IM support for software that I've never used by Googling for manuals and hoping they match. Plus I feel like a sellout every time they come to me for a new computer and I buy another Windows box for them. The OpenPC project, if it delivers the smooth experience it can potentially achieve, would make me recommend it in these situations as far as desktops are concerned, maybe with a little tweaking (auto-install updates, install SSH, etc.). In fact, I answered both OpenPC surveys with this in mind, preferring a lower spec for a lower price since nobody I would get one for would do anything more taxing than playing music, and it sounds like they've delivered (though admittedly the price isn't comparable to multi-billion-$ Walmart or Dell).</p><p>I'm going to wait for the release though, since I've been subscribed for years to glaring bugs in "completely supported" hardware, eg. RT73 Wifi doesn't work with any networking GUIs (two have been thrown together specifically now, but lack the integration of NetworkManager and co.) and another Wifi chip I had (forget which) kernel panics on any SMP-enabled kernel (ie. anything above i386 on Ubuntu), and my OpenMoko still has a couple of UI glitches. That's why I'm not convinced it will be a smooth experience based simply on the supported-hardware-only claim, I'm hoping the people building it have experience with each component they choose, so I'm looking forward to the reviews.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple wins in the market because they create a smooth , integrated experience that has view technical " gotchas " waiting to pounce on the consumer .
The point of projects such as this ( IMHO anyway ) is to try to achieve something similar with open source - a hardware/software stack that can be tuned for a performance that , while perhaps not the fastest possible , is " smooth " .Realistically , how much horsepower is actually needed for anything not involving heavy duty graphics or video editing ?
Would n't it perhaps be worth trading off a bit of the " latest and greatest " hardware performance for something that was quality components , solid support and would run reliably for a long time ?
I know I 'd be interested.It 'll be interesting to see if they can find a way to illustrate the benefits of such an experience , even if they can create it - and whether the open source audience will be sufficiently impressed to buy it or not.Still undecided whether I 'd buy one for myself ( my current desktop 's still doing fine , 1.6GHz 32bit Athlon , 256MB RAM , ATI Radeon 9200 , if I get some more RAM it should last for a while longer ) , but I 'd certainly recommend it to others .
Being " the computer guy " for quite a few people who do n't notice their new PC came with a new OS , but did notice that it came with a different browser , I 'm sick of doing over-the-phone/IM support for software that I 've never used by Googling for manuals and hoping they match .
Plus I feel like a sellout every time they come to me for a new computer and I buy another Windows box for them .
The OpenPC project , if it delivers the smooth experience it can potentially achieve , would make me recommend it in these situations as far as desktops are concerned , maybe with a little tweaking ( auto-install updates , install SSH , etc. ) .
In fact , I answered both OpenPC surveys with this in mind , preferring a lower spec for a lower price since nobody I would get one for would do anything more taxing than playing music , and it sounds like they 've delivered ( though admittedly the price is n't comparable to multi-billion- $ Walmart or Dell ) .I 'm going to wait for the release though , since I 've been subscribed for years to glaring bugs in " completely supported " hardware , eg .
RT73 Wifi does n't work with any networking GUIs ( two have been thrown together specifically now , but lack the integration of NetworkManager and co. ) and another Wifi chip I had ( forget which ) kernel panics on any SMP-enabled kernel ( ie .
anything above i386 on Ubuntu ) , and my OpenMoko still has a couple of UI glitches .
That 's why I 'm not convinced it will be a smooth experience based simply on the supported-hardware-only claim , I 'm hoping the people building it have experience with each component they choose , so I 'm looking forward to the reviews .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple wins in the market because they create a smooth, integrated experience that has view technical "gotchas" waiting to pounce on the consumer.
The point of projects such as this (IMHO anyway) is to try to achieve something similar with open source - a hardware/software stack that can be tuned for a performance that, while perhaps not the fastest possible, is "smooth".Realistically, how much horsepower is actually needed for anything not involving heavy duty graphics or video editing?
Wouldn't it perhaps be worth trading off a bit of the "latest and greatest" hardware performance for something that was quality components, solid support and would run reliably for a long time?
I know I'd be interested.It'll be interesting to see if they can find a way to illustrate the benefits of such an experience, even if they can create it - and whether the open source audience will be sufficiently impressed to buy it or not.Still undecided whether I'd buy one for myself (my current desktop's still doing fine, 1.6GHz 32bit Athlon, 256MB RAM, ATI Radeon 9200, if I get some more RAM it should last for a while longer), but I'd certainly recommend it to others.
Being "the computer guy" for quite a few people who don't notice their new PC came with a new OS, but did notice that it came with a different browser, I'm sick of doing over-the-phone/IM support for software that I've never used by Googling for manuals and hoping they match.
Plus I feel like a sellout every time they come to me for a new computer and I buy another Windows box for them.
The OpenPC project, if it delivers the smooth experience it can potentially achieve, would make me recommend it in these situations as far as desktops are concerned, maybe with a little tweaking (auto-install updates, install SSH, etc.).
In fact, I answered both OpenPC surveys with this in mind, preferring a lower spec for a lower price since nobody I would get one for would do anything more taxing than playing music, and it sounds like they've delivered (though admittedly the price isn't comparable to multi-billion-$ Walmart or Dell).I'm going to wait for the release though, since I've been subscribed for years to glaring bugs in "completely supported" hardware, eg.
RT73 Wifi doesn't work with any networking GUIs (two have been thrown together specifically now, but lack the integration of NetworkManager and co.) and another Wifi chip I had (forget which) kernel panics on any SMP-enabled kernel (ie.
anything above i386 on Ubuntu), and my OpenMoko still has a couple of UI glitches.
That's why I'm not convinced it will be a smooth experience based simply on the supported-hardware-only claim, I'm hoping the people building it have experience with each component they choose, so I'm looking forward to the reviews.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828338</id>
	<title>Adavance Cleanse</title>
	<author>hancynoye</author>
	<datestamp>1263921840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>nice post this is, and thanks for shearing a nice and informative post,

<a href="http://www.articlesbase.com/health-articles/advanced-cleanse-review-does-it-work-1699553.html" title="articlesbase.com" rel="nofollow">Adavance Cleanse</a> [articlesbase.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>nice post this is , and thanks for shearing a nice and informative post , Adavance Cleanse [ articlesbase.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>nice post this is, and thanks for shearing a nice and informative post,

Adavance Cleanse [articlesbase.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30835364</id>
	<title>Re:Mac</title>
	<author>Ant P.</author>
	<datestamp>1264016160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gee, for just 100 more than I paid for my current, year-old PC I could have a gimped Apple-branded computer with 1/3 the RAM, 1/2 the cores, a video driver nobody can audit that runs as root and 1/8 the disk space!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gee , for just 100 more than I paid for my current , year-old PC I could have a gimped Apple-branded computer with 1/3 the RAM , 1/2 the cores , a video driver nobody can audit that runs as root and 1/8 the disk space !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gee, for just 100 more than I paid for my current, year-old PC I could have a gimped Apple-branded computer with 1/3 the RAM, 1/2 the cores, a video driver nobody can audit that runs as root and 1/8 the disk space!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828910</id>
	<title>Say what?</title>
	<author>consonant</author>
	<datestamp>1263929040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Interestingly all the key decisions on design, pricing etc. have been made by the community via online polls.</p></div></blockquote><p>So, design by committee is okay when open components are involved?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Interestingly all the key decisions on design , pricing etc .
have been made by the community via online polls.So , design by committee is okay when open components are involved ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interestingly all the key decisions on design, pricing etc.
have been made by the community via online polls.So, design by committee is okay when open components are involved?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30829558</id>
	<title>Re:Mac</title>
	<author>Bert64</author>
	<datestamp>1263981720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If saving money is your goal, buy a bunch of obsolete components from ebay and build your own machine using only the parts you want... You could put together a reasonable machine based on tech from a couple of years ago for virtually nothing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If saving money is your goal , buy a bunch of obsolete components from ebay and build your own machine using only the parts you want... You could put together a reasonable machine based on tech from a couple of years ago for virtually nothing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If saving money is your goal, buy a bunch of obsolete components from ebay and build your own machine using only the parts you want... You could put together a reasonable machine based on tech from a couple of years ago for virtually nothing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_20_0020246.30828878</id>
	<title>Re:Benefits of Full-Spec Hardware?</title>
	<author>jackchance</author>
	<datestamp>1263928380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>&gt;Realistically, how much horsepower is actually needed for anything not involving heavy duty graphics or video editing?</p></div><p>Have you ever played a flash game?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Realistically , how much horsepower is actually needed for anything not involving heavy duty graphics or video editing ? Have you ever played a flash game ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Realistically, how much horsepower is actually needed for anything not involving heavy duty graphics or video editing?Have you ever played a flash game?
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