<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_19_1649244</id>
	<title>Offline Book "Lending" Costs US Publishers Nearly $1 Trillion</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1263924420000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from a tongue-in-cheek blog post which <a href="http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/2010/01/offline-book-lending-costs-us.html">puts publisher worries about ebook piracy into perspective</a>:
<i>"Hot on the heels of the story in Publisher's Weekly that 'publishers could be <a href="http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6714772.html?nid=2286&amp;rid=#CustomerId&amp;source=link">losing out on as much $3 billion</a> to online book piracy' comes a sudden realization of a much larger threat to the viability of the book industry. Apparently, over 2 billion books were 'loaned' last year by a cabal of organizations found in nearly every American city and town. Using the same advanced projective mathematics used in the study cited by Publishers Weekly, Go To Hellman has computed that publishers could be losing sales opportunities totaling over $100 billion per year, losses which extend back to at least the year 2000. ... From what we've been able to piece together, the book 'lending' takes place in 'libraries.' On entering one of these dens, patrons may view a dazzling array of books, periodicals, even CDs and DVDs, all available to anyone willing to disclose valuable personal information in exchange for a 'card.' But there is an ominous silence pervading these ersatz sanctuaries, enforced by the stern demeanor of staff and the glares of other patrons. Although there's no admission charge and it doesn't cost anything to borrow a book, there's always the threat of an onerous overdue bill for the hapless borrower who forgets to continue the cycle of not paying for copyrighted material."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from a tongue-in-cheek blog post which puts publisher worries about ebook piracy into perspective : " Hot on the heels of the story in Publisher 's Weekly that 'publishers could be losing out on as much $ 3 billion to online book piracy ' comes a sudden realization of a much larger threat to the viability of the book industry .
Apparently , over 2 billion books were 'loaned ' last year by a cabal of organizations found in nearly every American city and town .
Using the same advanced projective mathematics used in the study cited by Publishers Weekly , Go To Hellman has computed that publishers could be losing sales opportunities totaling over $ 100 billion per year , losses which extend back to at least the year 2000 .
... From what we 've been able to piece together , the book 'lending ' takes place in 'libraries .
' On entering one of these dens , patrons may view a dazzling array of books , periodicals , even CDs and DVDs , all available to anyone willing to disclose valuable personal information in exchange for a 'card .
' But there is an ominous silence pervading these ersatz sanctuaries , enforced by the stern demeanor of staff and the glares of other patrons .
Although there 's no admission charge and it does n't cost anything to borrow a book , there 's always the threat of an onerous overdue bill for the hapless borrower who forgets to continue the cycle of not paying for copyrighted material .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from a tongue-in-cheek blog post which puts publisher worries about ebook piracy into perspective:
"Hot on the heels of the story in Publisher's Weekly that 'publishers could be losing out on as much $3 billion to online book piracy' comes a sudden realization of a much larger threat to the viability of the book industry.
Apparently, over 2 billion books were 'loaned' last year by a cabal of organizations found in nearly every American city and town.
Using the same advanced projective mathematics used in the study cited by Publishers Weekly, Go To Hellman has computed that publishers could be losing sales opportunities totaling over $100 billion per year, losses which extend back to at least the year 2000.
... From what we've been able to piece together, the book 'lending' takes place in 'libraries.
' On entering one of these dens, patrons may view a dazzling array of books, periodicals, even CDs and DVDs, all available to anyone willing to disclose valuable personal information in exchange for a 'card.
' But there is an ominous silence pervading these ersatz sanctuaries, enforced by the stern demeanor of staff and the glares of other patrons.
Although there's no admission charge and it doesn't cost anything to borrow a book, there's always the threat of an onerous overdue bill for the hapless borrower who forgets to continue the cycle of not paying for copyrighted material.
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30821918</id>
	<title>only surprise is what took so long?</title>
	<author>peter303</author>
	<datestamp>1263928380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I always thought books would have been "liberated" first in the digital world because text has a lower bandwidth than music or video.  However there is a high entry cost of converting to text.  So the system had to wait until it had enough bandwidth to support photos of text which are easy to make.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I always thought books would have been " liberated " first in the digital world because text has a lower bandwidth than music or video .
However there is a high entry cost of converting to text .
So the system had to wait until it had enough bandwidth to support photos of text which are easy to make .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always thought books would have been "liberated" first in the digital world because text has a lower bandwidth than music or video.
However there is a high entry cost of converting to text.
So the system had to wait until it had enough bandwidth to support photos of text which are easy to make.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822970</id>
	<title>I've actually seen printed book licenses.</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1263931800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In books printed around 1900. The language was startlingly familiar.  You were supposedly allowed to use the book for private, personal use only. You weren't allowed to sell it or rent it out.</p><p>The first sale doctrine meant that the copyright holders couldn't impose such uses on third parties without entering into a contract.  That wasn't feasible in the era when publishers sold to bookstores who had no interest in becoming license brokers.  Things are different for ebooks, where it's easy to sell licenses rather than copies.  In fact, that's what's behind one of the niftier features of Amazon's Kindle: you can copy your book to your iPhone or Kindle as you like, you just can't resell or lend it.</p><p>There's no question that eliminating this nonsense was *good* for book publishing as a whole, because this was a deal which left the public hungry for more of their product.  Some individual publishers could have made more money on certain individual works.  In the transition to electronic formats, the book publishing industry could easily become the next music industry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In books printed around 1900 .
The language was startlingly familiar .
You were supposedly allowed to use the book for private , personal use only .
You were n't allowed to sell it or rent it out.The first sale doctrine meant that the copyright holders could n't impose such uses on third parties without entering into a contract .
That was n't feasible in the era when publishers sold to bookstores who had no interest in becoming license brokers .
Things are different for ebooks , where it 's easy to sell licenses rather than copies .
In fact , that 's what 's behind one of the niftier features of Amazon 's Kindle : you can copy your book to your iPhone or Kindle as you like , you just ca n't resell or lend it.There 's no question that eliminating this nonsense was * good * for book publishing as a whole , because this was a deal which left the public hungry for more of their product .
Some individual publishers could have made more money on certain individual works .
In the transition to electronic formats , the book publishing industry could easily become the next music industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In books printed around 1900.
The language was startlingly familiar.
You were supposedly allowed to use the book for private, personal use only.
You weren't allowed to sell it or rent it out.The first sale doctrine meant that the copyright holders couldn't impose such uses on third parties without entering into a contract.
That wasn't feasible in the era when publishers sold to bookstores who had no interest in becoming license brokers.
Things are different for ebooks, where it's easy to sell licenses rather than copies.
In fact, that's what's behind one of the niftier features of Amazon's Kindle: you can copy your book to your iPhone or Kindle as you like, you just can't resell or lend it.There's no question that eliminating this nonsense was *good* for book publishing as a whole, because this was a deal which left the public hungry for more of their product.
Some individual publishers could have made more money on certain individual works.
In the transition to electronic formats, the book publishing industry could easily become the next music industry.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30830432</id>
	<title>Re:What Was And Is No More</title>
	<author>TheTurtlesMoves</author>
	<datestamp>1263992040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not in any library I go to. And i go to a lot of different Library's in quite a few different countries. Perhaps you should not assume that your library is a good indication of the rest of the library's on the planet. Grandpa wouldn't make that mistake.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not in any library I go to .
And i go to a lot of different Library 's in quite a few different countries .
Perhaps you should not assume that your library is a good indication of the rest of the library 's on the planet .
Grandpa would n't make that mistake .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not in any library I go to.
And i go to a lot of different Library's in quite a few different countries.
Perhaps you should not assume that your library is a good indication of the rest of the library's on the planet.
Grandpa wouldn't make that mistake.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822610</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822184</id>
	<title>*sigh*</title>
	<author>Zaphon</author>
	<datestamp>1263929340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What blows my mind is that this guy doesn't seem to know that Libraries just like Video Rental stores pay MORE for the items than normal retail.  And I'm not talking a little more either, it's usually pretty dang ludicrously expensive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What blows my mind is that this guy does n't seem to know that Libraries just like Video Rental stores pay MORE for the items than normal retail .
And I 'm not talking a little more either , it 's usually pretty dang ludicrously expensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What blows my mind is that this guy doesn't seem to know that Libraries just like Video Rental stores pay MORE for the items than normal retail.
And I'm not talking a little more either, it's usually pretty dang ludicrously expensive.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30831464</id>
	<title>Re:Make eBooks Cheaper!</title>
	<author>crazybilly</author>
	<datestamp>1264000980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Holy crap, $2.50? You must either:
<ol>
<li>live in a big town where's it's seriously impractical to get to the library</li>
<li>not enjoy the library atmosphere</li>
</ol><p>

Our library is between my house and my office, so dropping by to pick something up/drop something off is no big deal. Previously, it was in walking distance of the office, so I could hit it during lunch, so getting there is never a hassle.
</p><p>
I grew up in a small town with a tiny library. But even then, I enjoyed the feeling of being IN a library. I'm not convinced I'd pay money to avoid that feeling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Holy crap , $ 2.50 ?
You must either : live in a big town where 's it 's seriously impractical to get to the library not enjoy the library atmosphere Our library is between my house and my office , so dropping by to pick something up/drop something off is no big deal .
Previously , it was in walking distance of the office , so I could hit it during lunch , so getting there is never a hassle .
I grew up in a small town with a tiny library .
But even then , I enjoyed the feeling of being IN a library .
I 'm not convinced I 'd pay money to avoid that feeling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Holy crap, $2.50?
You must either:

live in a big town where's it's seriously impractical to get to the library
not enjoy the library atmosphere


Our library is between my house and my office, so dropping by to pick something up/drop something off is no big deal.
Previously, it was in walking distance of the office, so I could hit it during lunch, so getting there is never a hassle.
I grew up in a small town with a tiny library.
But even then, I enjoyed the feeling of being IN a library.
I'm not convinced I'd pay money to avoid that feeling.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822008</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30829896</id>
	<title>Re:As a mathematician</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263985800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least the resulting forestation-for-profit will provide lots of carbon sinks and solve the environmental problem!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least the resulting forestation-for-profit will provide lots of carbon sinks and solve the environmental problem !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least the resulting forestation-for-profit will provide lots of carbon sinks and solve the environmental problem!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822240</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822082</id>
	<title>oh, when will the 'socialism' end??</title>
	<author>AB\_Rhialto</author>
	<datestamp>1263928980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>While funny, the point of the article is quite saddening.  People have been involved in 'socialist' activities since before we were human and only just recently, has it become something of a curse to help one another out (sharing) at the expense of a Corporation potentially losing a sale opportunity. <br> <br>
Don't get me wrong, Corps have to make money, but there has been an amazing full court press of propaganda that has twisted the case for helping and sharing the burden to some degree as socialism or communism (and for the Republicans out there, I'll add Fascism, since it ends in an ism).<br> <br>
We won't even talk about all the infrastructure that government puts in place because, well, that is a form of socialism too, and its far better to little to no government so everyone can look after themselves.<br> <br>
I wonder who would be best able to take care of themselves in such a scenario, individual voters and their families or large corporations (since they have most of the benefits of being a 'person' but none of the responsibilities)?</htmltext>
<tokenext>While funny , the point of the article is quite saddening .
People have been involved in 'socialist ' activities since before we were human and only just recently , has it become something of a curse to help one another out ( sharing ) at the expense of a Corporation potentially losing a sale opportunity .
Do n't get me wrong , Corps have to make money , but there has been an amazing full court press of propaganda that has twisted the case for helping and sharing the burden to some degree as socialism or communism ( and for the Republicans out there , I 'll add Fascism , since it ends in an ism ) .
We wo n't even talk about all the infrastructure that government puts in place because , well , that is a form of socialism too , and its far better to little to no government so everyone can look after themselves .
I wonder who would be best able to take care of themselves in such a scenario , individual voters and their families or large corporations ( since they have most of the benefits of being a 'person ' but none of the responsibilities ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While funny, the point of the article is quite saddening.
People have been involved in 'socialist' activities since before we were human and only just recently, has it become something of a curse to help one another out (sharing) at the expense of a Corporation potentially losing a sale opportunity.
Don't get me wrong, Corps have to make money, but there has been an amazing full court press of propaganda that has twisted the case for helping and sharing the burden to some degree as socialism or communism (and for the Republicans out there, I'll add Fascism, since it ends in an ism).
We won't even talk about all the infrastructure that government puts in place because, well, that is a form of socialism too, and its far better to little to no government so everyone can look after themselves.
I wonder who would be best able to take care of themselves in such a scenario, individual voters and their families or large corporations (since they have most of the benefits of being a 'person' but none of the responsibilities)?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822228</id>
	<title>You just made a fool of yourself</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263929460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you realize that you did nothing more than re-state the summary, in fewer words, as if it were your own idea?</p><p>Apparently, you fail at reading comprehension.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you realize that you did nothing more than re-state the summary , in fewer words , as if it were your own idea ? Apparently , you fail at reading comprehension .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you realize that you did nothing more than re-state the summary, in fewer words, as if it were your own idea?Apparently, you fail at reading comprehension.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30821994</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823258</id>
	<title>Rent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263933000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Europe libraries pay a fee to the publishers per book they lend. A couple of cents, I believe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Europe libraries pay a fee to the publishers per book they lend .
A couple of cents , I believe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Europe libraries pay a fee to the publishers per book they lend.
A couple of cents, I believe.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30821996</id>
	<title>And they keep secrets!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263928620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When the authorities have requested copies of patrons borrowing records, the libraries almost always refuse to provide it without a search warrant!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When the authorities have requested copies of patrons borrowing records , the libraries almost always refuse to provide it without a search warrant !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When the authorities have requested copies of patrons borrowing records, the libraries almost always refuse to provide it without a search warrant!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823690</id>
	<title>Libraries?  Forget 'em, they're already gone.</title>
	<author>professorguy</author>
	<datestamp>1263891780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>You guys are all shouting about how you don't want libraries to disappear.  And yet you also say you'll switch over to e-books if the price is low enough.
<br> <br>
I'll assume you understand that as soon as more money is made from e-books than real books, the real books go away.  And the day after that, the libraries go with them because the only DRM allowed will be pay-per-read.
<br> <br>
Far fetched?  Just wait....</htmltext>
<tokenext>You guys are all shouting about how you do n't want libraries to disappear .
And yet you also say you 'll switch over to e-books if the price is low enough .
I 'll assume you understand that as soon as more money is made from e-books than real books , the real books go away .
And the day after that , the libraries go with them because the only DRM allowed will be pay-per-read .
Far fetched ?
Just wait... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You guys are all shouting about how you don't want libraries to disappear.
And yet you also say you'll switch over to e-books if the price is low enough.
I'll assume you understand that as soon as more money is made from e-books than real books, the real books go away.
And the day after that, the libraries go with them because the only DRM allowed will be pay-per-read.
Far fetched?
Just wait....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30821848</id>
	<title>Dammit...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263928140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't give them any ideas.</p><p>The copyright circus is stupid enough already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't give them any ideas.The copyright circus is stupid enough already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't give them any ideas.The copyright circus is stupid enough already.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30825562</id>
	<title>Re:zero sum vs non-zero sum</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1263900240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can check out every CD the library has and rip each song to MP3s. I asked the librarian about this, and his response was to the effect of "Well, you COULD do that, but we don't want to know about it if you do!" Clearly, the libraries are actively engaged in facilitating unauthorized distribution of copyrighted material!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can check out every CD the library has and rip each song to MP3s .
I asked the librarian about this , and his response was to the effect of " Well , you COULD do that , but we do n't want to know about it if you do !
" Clearly , the libraries are actively engaged in facilitating unauthorized distribution of copyrighted material !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can check out every CD the library has and rip each song to MP3s.
I asked the librarian about this, and his response was to the effect of "Well, you COULD do that, but we don't want to know about it if you do!
" Clearly, the libraries are actively engaged in facilitating unauthorized distribution of copyrighted material!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823100</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30821972</id>
	<title>I have news for you...</title>
	<author>thewils</author>
	<datestamp>1263928560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where I am they have Videos and DVDs too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where I am they have Videos and DVDs too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where I am they have Videos and DVDs too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822286</id>
	<title>Re:Make eBooks Cheaper!</title>
	<author>BrokenHalo</author>
	<datestamp>1263929580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>If I could "own" (even with DRM) a book for $2.50, I would never bother making a trip to a library.</i> <br> <br>
I can't argue with that. In fact, I agree.<br> <br>
But some publishers have indeed been making noises about libraries==piracy, and as far as I'm concerned they can go get fucked. The institution of the public library is well enough established by now to be regarded as a right. If publishers can't find a business model that is just, then they can go jump on their heads.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I could " own " ( even with DRM ) a book for $ 2.50 , I would never bother making a trip to a library .
I ca n't argue with that .
In fact , I agree .
But some publishers have indeed been making noises about libraries = = piracy , and as far as I 'm concerned they can go get fucked .
The institution of the public library is well enough established by now to be regarded as a right .
If publishers ca n't find a business model that is just , then they can go jump on their heads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I could "own" (even with DRM) a book for $2.50, I would never bother making a trip to a library.
I can't argue with that.
In fact, I agree.
But some publishers have indeed been making noises about libraries==piracy, and as far as I'm concerned they can go get fucked.
The institution of the public library is well enough established by now to be regarded as a right.
If publishers can't find a business model that is just, then they can go jump on their heads.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822008</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30824470</id>
	<title>Re:Facts bout public libraries</title>
	<author>DarthVain</author>
	<datestamp>1263895500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ahhh spite. What isn't it good for?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ahhh spite .
What is n't it good for ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ahhh spite.
What isn't it good for?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823012</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823970</id>
	<title>Re:The First Book Is Free.</title>
	<author>smellsofbikes</author>
	<datestamp>1263893100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My personal library is about 3000 books.  I go to the library about twice a month and load up on books -- precisely because I already have 3000 books.  I don't need to buy books I'm only going to read once (fiction, comics, technical books about subjects I'd like to know but will never actually need like sintering or building kayaks.)  It's exposed me to hundreds of books I would never have purchased, and I've ended up buying books because of stuff I found in the library.  Funny, it's just like downloading music!</htmltext>
<tokenext>My personal library is about 3000 books .
I go to the library about twice a month and load up on books -- precisely because I already have 3000 books .
I do n't need to buy books I 'm only going to read once ( fiction , comics , technical books about subjects I 'd like to know but will never actually need like sintering or building kayaks .
) It 's exposed me to hundreds of books I would never have purchased , and I 've ended up buying books because of stuff I found in the library .
Funny , it 's just like downloading music !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My personal library is about 3000 books.
I go to the library about twice a month and load up on books -- precisely because I already have 3000 books.
I don't need to buy books I'm only going to read once (fiction, comics, technical books about subjects I'd like to know but will never actually need like sintering or building kayaks.
)  It's exposed me to hundreds of books I would never have purchased, and I've ended up buying books because of stuff I found in the library.
Funny, it's just like downloading music!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822140</id>
	<title>Re:And the PORN!!!</title>
	<author>creimer</author>
	<datestamp>1263929220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's nothing. The Economist once had a cover with two copulating camels (the female didn't look to happy).  For a brief moment in history, economists figured out that 1 + 1 = 3.  If you don't know where the extra one came from, you haven't spent enough time in the "medical journal" section.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's nothing .
The Economist once had a cover with two copulating camels ( the female did n't look to happy ) .
For a brief moment in history , economists figured out that 1 + 1 = 3 .
If you do n't know where the extra one came from , you have n't spent enough time in the " medical journal " section .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's nothing.
The Economist once had a cover with two copulating camels (the female didn't look to happy).
For a brief moment in history, economists figured out that 1 + 1 = 3.
If you don't know where the extra one came from, you haven't spent enough time in the "medical journal" section.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30827412</id>
	<title>Re:In other news...</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1263912480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pump it into bottles at 5000 KPa and sell it to scuba divers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pump it into bottles at 5000 KPa and sell it to scuba divers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pump it into bottles at 5000 KPa and sell it to scuba divers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822506</id>
	<title>Re:Make eBooks Cheaper!</title>
	<author>nick357</author>
	<datestamp>1263930300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think they are using the wrong model with ebooks.  I think they should be using the rental model.  I'd happily pay a few bucks a week for a book.  If I don't have time to finish it, charge me a couple bucks more to renew.  If in a few years I want to read it again, I'd happily pay that again to have it "instantly" at my fingertips.  Probably there are some books I would think about purchasing in ebook format - but in most cases, renting would be fine with me.  (And of course, there are still some books that I would like to own hard copies of).  I think music, video and books all need slightly different business models in the internet world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think they are using the wrong model with ebooks .
I think they should be using the rental model .
I 'd happily pay a few bucks a week for a book .
If I do n't have time to finish it , charge me a couple bucks more to renew .
If in a few years I want to read it again , I 'd happily pay that again to have it " instantly " at my fingertips .
Probably there are some books I would think about purchasing in ebook format - but in most cases , renting would be fine with me .
( And of course , there are still some books that I would like to own hard copies of ) .
I think music , video and books all need slightly different business models in the internet world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think they are using the wrong model with ebooks.
I think they should be using the rental model.
I'd happily pay a few bucks a week for a book.
If I don't have time to finish it, charge me a couple bucks more to renew.
If in a few years I want to read it again, I'd happily pay that again to have it "instantly" at my fingertips.
Probably there are some books I would think about purchasing in ebook format - but in most cases, renting would be fine with me.
(And of course, there are still some books that I would like to own hard copies of).
I think music, video and books all need slightly different business models in the internet world.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822032</id>
	<title>Hackers</title>
	<author>nacturation</author>
	<datestamp>1263928800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Notorious hacker group "The Librarians" thumbed their collective noses today at the intellectual property industry as they investigated new ways to channel IP into the hands of teenagers.</p><p>"I got this great new bag today," said one student, "and realized I needed a few novels to put in it."  [Editor's note: we believe the term "bag" is street for a memory storage device.]</p><p>One self-proclaimed member of this criminal organization stated "The biggest challenge with kids today is getting access to reading material.  Many come from poorer families and depend on the free availability of reading material to supplement their school-provided education."  She continued, "That's why today we're announcing a reading competition, with the winner awarded a really wonderful bag to store their materials in."</p><p>When pressed for clarification, this member stated "Of course all the reading materials would be provided for free.  That is the whole purpose of what we do."  Upon further research, it is believed that local and federal funds are being diverted for these activities.</p><p>Organizations representing intellectual property owners did not immediately answer calls.  [Editor's note: we let the phone ring once, then hang up.  If they can't answer their calls in less than one ring, it's not immediate enough for us.]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Notorious hacker group " The Librarians " thumbed their collective noses today at the intellectual property industry as they investigated new ways to channel IP into the hands of teenagers .
" I got this great new bag today , " said one student , " and realized I needed a few novels to put in it .
" [ Editor 's note : we believe the term " bag " is street for a memory storage device .
] One self-proclaimed member of this criminal organization stated " The biggest challenge with kids today is getting access to reading material .
Many come from poorer families and depend on the free availability of reading material to supplement their school-provided education .
" She continued , " That 's why today we 're announcing a reading competition , with the winner awarded a really wonderful bag to store their materials in .
" When pressed for clarification , this member stated " Of course all the reading materials would be provided for free .
That is the whole purpose of what we do .
" Upon further research , it is believed that local and federal funds are being diverted for these activities.Organizations representing intellectual property owners did not immediately answer calls .
[ Editor 's note : we let the phone ring once , then hang up .
If they ca n't answer their calls in less than one ring , it 's not immediate enough for us .
]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Notorious hacker group "The Librarians" thumbed their collective noses today at the intellectual property industry as they investigated new ways to channel IP into the hands of teenagers.
"I got this great new bag today," said one student, "and realized I needed a few novels to put in it.
"  [Editor's note: we believe the term "bag" is street for a memory storage device.
]One self-proclaimed member of this criminal organization stated "The biggest challenge with kids today is getting access to reading material.
Many come from poorer families and depend on the free availability of reading material to supplement their school-provided education.
"  She continued, "That's why today we're announcing a reading competition, with the winner awarded a really wonderful bag to store their materials in.
"When pressed for clarification, this member stated "Of course all the reading materials would be provided for free.
That is the whole purpose of what we do.
"  Upon further research, it is believed that local and federal funds are being diverted for these activities.Organizations representing intellectual property owners did not immediately answer calls.
[Editor's note: we let the phone ring once, then hang up.
If they can't answer their calls in less than one ring, it's not immediate enough for us.
]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823154</id>
	<title>Re:What Was And Is No More</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263932580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps it is because Wichita is culturally dead...</p><p>But the central branch of the wichita public library (a 3 story building, with microfilm archives in the basement, so it's not a small library) is deathy quiet inside, and the spinster librarians still enforce the "No talking above a whisper" rule.</p><p>Then again, it might be the lack of free public parking...</p><p>Hard to say--  but the "bygone library" is still alive and well over here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps it is because Wichita is culturally dead...But the central branch of the wichita public library ( a 3 story building , with microfilm archives in the basement , so it 's not a small library ) is deathy quiet inside , and the spinster librarians still enforce the " No talking above a whisper " rule.Then again , it might be the lack of free public parking...Hard to say-- but the " bygone library " is still alive and well over here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps it is because Wichita is culturally dead...But the central branch of the wichita public library (a 3 story building, with microfilm archives in the basement, so it's not a small library) is deathy quiet inside, and the spinster librarians still enforce the "No talking above a whisper" rule.Then again, it might be the lack of free public parking...Hard to say--  but the "bygone library" is still alive and well over here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30821916</id>
	<title>And the PORN!!!</title>
	<author>tacarat</author>
	<datestamp>1263928380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Voyeur and amateur stuff abounds!  How they came up with the names like "National Geographic" still confuses me, though.  Ask for that or the "medical journal" sections.  Don't forget to wink knowingly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Voyeur and amateur stuff abounds !
How they came up with the names like " National Geographic " still confuses me , though .
Ask for that or the " medical journal " sections .
Do n't forget to wink knowingly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Voyeur and amateur stuff abounds!
How they came up with the names like "National Geographic" still confuses me, though.
Ask for that or the "medical journal" sections.
Don't forget to wink knowingly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823190</id>
	<title>Those Numbers are all wrong.</title>
	<author>ghetto2ivy</author>
	<datestamp>1263932760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They meant to say $100 bajillion dollars.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They meant to say $ 100 bajillion dollars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They meant to say $100 bajillion dollars.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823308</id>
	<title>Re:oh, when will the 'socialism' end??</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1263933240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's actually perfectly OK for a corporation to go out of business (rather than making money).</p><p>The "is extending limited liability to this corporation a net benefit to the public" test needs to be applied much more. And then the corporations that fail it need to be executed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's actually perfectly OK for a corporation to go out of business ( rather than making money ) .The " is extending limited liability to this corporation a net benefit to the public " test needs to be applied much more .
And then the corporations that fail it need to be executed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's actually perfectly OK for a corporation to go out of business (rather than making money).The "is extending limited liability to this corporation a net benefit to the public" test needs to be applied much more.
And then the corporations that fail it need to be executed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30824182</id>
	<title>Re:The First Book Is Free.</title>
	<author>DarthVain</author>
	<datestamp>1263894000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not to mention that by promoting illiteracy, (by pretty much saying Libraries are a bad thing) you are not thinking very long term.</p><p>Your user penetration is like 99\% right now, be happy.</p><p>You are not going to sell too many books to the illiterate (well perhaps picture books).</p><p>Sometimes I just want to slap stupid people. Sometimes with a hardcover edition of one of Steven Erikson's books. That aught to do the trick, although bludgeon might be a better word.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to mention that by promoting illiteracy , ( by pretty much saying Libraries are a bad thing ) you are not thinking very long term.Your user penetration is like 99 \ % right now , be happy.You are not going to sell too many books to the illiterate ( well perhaps picture books ) .Sometimes I just want to slap stupid people .
Sometimes with a hardcover edition of one of Steven Erikson 's books .
That aught to do the trick , although bludgeon might be a better word .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to mention that by promoting illiteracy, (by pretty much saying Libraries are a bad thing) you are not thinking very long term.Your user penetration is like 99\% right now, be happy.You are not going to sell too many books to the illiterate (well perhaps picture books).Sometimes I just want to slap stupid people.
Sometimes with a hardcover edition of one of Steven Erikson's books.
That aught to do the trick, although bludgeon might be a better word.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30826348</id>
	<title>Much, much worse -- it's as bad as the intertubes!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263904260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"From what we've been able to piece together, the book 'lending' takes place in 'libraries.' On entering one of these dens, patrons may view a dazzling array of books, periodicals, even CDs and DVDs, all available to anyone willing to disclose valuable personal information in exchange for a 'card.'"</p><p>Oh, it's so much worse than that.  It's a vast, dare I say, <i>network</i>, of libraries, through which you can request material at one location, and have it delivered to you locally (they call this "interlibrary loan").  Usually this is at minimal or zero cost -- certainly far less than the price of the product they are distributing.  It's a vast, carefully-organized conspiracy to steal product from publishers and allow the public access to materials at far below actual cost.  And much of the system is <i>government funded</i> too!</p><p>Clearly, traditional libraries are a gateway to many of the same types of on-line stealing that happen on the intertubes.  Sometimes libraries even provide free access to the intertube system itself, making them a true nexus of evil when it comes to IP robbery.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" From what we 've been able to piece together , the book 'lending ' takes place in 'libraries .
' On entering one of these dens , patrons may view a dazzling array of books , periodicals , even CDs and DVDs , all available to anyone willing to disclose valuable personal information in exchange for a 'card .
' " Oh , it 's so much worse than that .
It 's a vast , dare I say , network , of libraries , through which you can request material at one location , and have it delivered to you locally ( they call this " interlibrary loan " ) .
Usually this is at minimal or zero cost -- certainly far less than the price of the product they are distributing .
It 's a vast , carefully-organized conspiracy to steal product from publishers and allow the public access to materials at far below actual cost .
And much of the system is government funded too ! Clearly , traditional libraries are a gateway to many of the same types of on-line stealing that happen on the intertubes .
Sometimes libraries even provide free access to the intertube system itself , making them a true nexus of evil when it comes to IP robbery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"From what we've been able to piece together, the book 'lending' takes place in 'libraries.
' On entering one of these dens, patrons may view a dazzling array of books, periodicals, even CDs and DVDs, all available to anyone willing to disclose valuable personal information in exchange for a 'card.
'"Oh, it's so much worse than that.
It's a vast, dare I say, network, of libraries, through which you can request material at one location, and have it delivered to you locally (they call this "interlibrary loan").
Usually this is at minimal or zero cost -- certainly far less than the price of the product they are distributing.
It's a vast, carefully-organized conspiracy to steal product from publishers and allow the public access to materials at far below actual cost.
And much of the system is government funded too!Clearly, traditional libraries are a gateway to many of the same types of on-line stealing that happen on the intertubes.
Sometimes libraries even provide free access to the intertube system itself, making them a true nexus of evil when it comes to IP robbery.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823358</id>
	<title>Add more to that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263933540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Has anyone considered that in addition to libraries, schools circulate copyright material for free to the students.  An argument against this as unlawful may include the exposure of the fact that a very small percentage of the recipients actually read this text and a large percentage of the books suffer irrepairable damages.  Still, it might add a few more pennies to their losses.  Woe is the publishing industry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Has anyone considered that in addition to libraries , schools circulate copyright material for free to the students .
An argument against this as unlawful may include the exposure of the fact that a very small percentage of the recipients actually read this text and a large percentage of the books suffer irrepairable damages .
Still , it might add a few more pennies to their losses .
Woe is the publishing industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has anyone considered that in addition to libraries, schools circulate copyright material for free to the students.
An argument against this as unlawful may include the exposure of the fact that a very small percentage of the recipients actually read this text and a large percentage of the books suffer irrepairable damages.
Still, it might add a few more pennies to their losses.
Woe is the publishing industry.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823320</id>
	<title>Re:What Was And Is No More</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263933300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You two talk funny.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You two talk funny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You two talk funny.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822770</id>
	<title>Re:Make eBooks Cheaper!</title>
	<author>Singularity42</author>
	<datestamp>1263931140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DRM is fine with me as long as I can sell it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DRM is fine with me as long as I can sell it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DRM is fine with me as long as I can sell it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822748</id>
	<title>Re:As a mathematician</title>
	<author>ChefInnocent</author>
	<datestamp>1263931080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You may wish to be careful banding about your knowledge of mathematics.  There's rumor that the government may target those associated with the dissemination of ideas connected with the Al-Gebra movement.  Members trained to perform subversive calculations of the Al-Gebra movement might be considered a threat to the government.  Clearly the people involved in this line of thought do not think like normal people, and are a danger to society as we know it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You may wish to be careful banding about your knowledge of mathematics .
There 's rumor that the government may target those associated with the dissemination of ideas connected with the Al-Gebra movement .
Members trained to perform subversive calculations of the Al-Gebra movement might be considered a threat to the government .
Clearly the people involved in this line of thought do not think like normal people , and are a danger to society as we know it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may wish to be careful banding about your knowledge of mathematics.
There's rumor that the government may target those associated with the dissemination of ideas connected with the Al-Gebra movement.
Members trained to perform subversive calculations of the Al-Gebra movement might be considered a threat to the government.
Clearly the people involved in this line of thought do not think like normal people, and are a danger to society as we know it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30821960</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30821994</id>
	<title>Think of the libraries!</title>
	<author>Fujisawa Sensei</author>
	<datestamp>1263928620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just think how much the libraries are costing publishers, OMG!</p><p>And with the ability to actually borrow a book for free, nobody will ever need to actually buy a book.  That's nothing but the liberals, err socialists trying to take nationalize both the publishing and retail book industries!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just think how much the libraries are costing publishers , OMG ! And with the ability to actually borrow a book for free , nobody will ever need to actually buy a book .
That 's nothing but the liberals , err socialists trying to take nationalize both the publishing and retail book industries !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just think how much the libraries are costing publishers, OMG!And with the ability to actually borrow a book for free, nobody will ever need to actually buy a book.
That's nothing but the liberals, err socialists trying to take nationalize both the publishing and retail book industries!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30825610</id>
	<title>Re:only surprise is what took so long?</title>
	<author>psithurism</author>
	<datestamp>1263900420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Theres also the fact that most people can consume 100+ songs and a few movies in the time it takes to consume one fiction book.</p><p>And when near a computer, one can usually collect more focused text snippets for any nonfiction one needs from web sights faster than one can search through e-books.</p><p>The main advantage of books has been their portability which until now with the onset of e-readers and such is finally being made available to liberated books.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Theres also the fact that most people can consume 100 + songs and a few movies in the time it takes to consume one fiction book.And when near a computer , one can usually collect more focused text snippets for any nonfiction one needs from web sights faster than one can search through e-books.The main advantage of books has been their portability which until now with the onset of e-readers and such is finally being made available to liberated books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Theres also the fact that most people can consume 100+ songs and a few movies in the time it takes to consume one fiction book.And when near a computer, one can usually collect more focused text snippets for any nonfiction one needs from web sights faster than one can search through e-books.The main advantage of books has been their portability which until now with the onset of e-readers and such is finally being made available to liberated books.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822784</id>
	<title>Re:Make eBooks Cheaper!</title>
	<author>HeckRuler</author>
	<datestamp>1263931200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't think you can really "own" an ebook if it has DRM. Almost* any form of DRM I've been able to conceptualize has violated what I believe to be owning a book. And every version of DRM implementation that I've dealt with has been ridiculously restrictive. <br> <br>

*Suing for plagiarism has had limited success.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think you can really " own " an ebook if it has DRM .
Almost * any form of DRM I 've been able to conceptualize has violated what I believe to be owning a book .
And every version of DRM implementation that I 've dealt with has been ridiculously restrictive .
* Suing for plagiarism has had limited success .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think you can really "own" an ebook if it has DRM.
Almost* any form of DRM I've been able to conceptualize has violated what I believe to be owning a book.
And every version of DRM implementation that I've dealt with has been ridiculously restrictive.
*Suing for plagiarism has had limited success.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822198</id>
	<title>NEWS FLASH!  Hardback books can be loaned!!!</title>
	<author>biskit</author>
	<datestamp>1263929340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see where this is going - I borrow books from my family members to read, go to the library to read, go to used books store to purchase.  All of these events had only one original purchase - and I going to have to come up with money because I read someone's original first purchase book???</p><p>Get over it already.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/end of rant/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see where this is going - I borrow books from my family members to read , go to the library to read , go to used books store to purchase .
All of these events had only one original purchase - and I going to have to come up with money because I read someone 's original first purchase book ? ?
? Get over it already .
/end of rant/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see where this is going - I borrow books from my family members to read, go to the library to read, go to used books store to purchase.
All of these events had only one original purchase - and I going to have to come up with money because I read someone's original first purchase book??
?Get over it already.
/end of rant/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822126</id>
	<title>LMAO</title>
	<author>thechemic</author>
	<datestamp>1263929160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is hilarious and serious all at the same time.  Love it!</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is hilarious and serious all at the same time .
Love it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is hilarious and serious all at the same time.
Love it!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823100</id>
	<title>zero sum vs non-zero sum</title>
	<author>harlows\_monkeys</author>
	<datestamp>1263932340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Libraries are zero sum lending. If a library has bought N copies of a book, only N people can have it checked out at once. Person N+1 has to wait until one of the N finishes reading it and returns it.</p><p>Online "lending" is not zero sum. If N people have torrented a book, N+1 does not have to wait for one of them to finish reading.</p><p>This is a huge difference, and makes any comparison between online distribution of digital material with offline distribution of physical items completely useless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Libraries are zero sum lending .
If a library has bought N copies of a book , only N people can have it checked out at once .
Person N + 1 has to wait until one of the N finishes reading it and returns it.Online " lending " is not zero sum .
If N people have torrented a book , N + 1 does not have to wait for one of them to finish reading.This is a huge difference , and makes any comparison between online distribution of digital material with offline distribution of physical items completely useless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Libraries are zero sum lending.
If a library has bought N copies of a book, only N people can have it checked out at once.
Person N+1 has to wait until one of the N finishes reading it and returns it.Online "lending" is not zero sum.
If N people have torrented a book, N+1 does not have to wait for one of them to finish reading.This is a huge difference, and makes any comparison between online distribution of digital material with offline distribution of physical items completely useless.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30825212</id>
	<title>Re:will Apple be the "game changer"?</title>
	<author>Intron</author>
	<datestamp>1263898800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apple convinced people to pay for some of their music and cellphone apps with low <b>license fees</b> and convenience. I am hoping for a "three-peat" later this year in the ebook world. $10-$15 ebooks are still too pricey.
<br> <br>
Fixed that for ya.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple convinced people to pay for some of their music and cellphone apps with low license fees and convenience .
I am hoping for a " three-peat " later this year in the ebook world .
$ 10- $ 15 ebooks are still too pricey .
Fixed that for ya .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple convinced people to pay for some of their music and cellphone apps with low license fees and convenience.
I am hoping for a "three-peat" later this year in the ebook world.
$10-$15 ebooks are still too pricey.
Fixed that for ya.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30821974</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30827152</id>
	<title>and guess what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263910020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The book industry discovered that people borrow books for free at Public Libraries in exchange for giving up personal information and getting a card. In other news, the music industry discovered today a device called a Radio which allows people to listen to music for free in exchange for also listening to commercials.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The book industry discovered that people borrow books for free at Public Libraries in exchange for giving up personal information and getting a card .
In other news , the music industry discovered today a device called a Radio which allows people to listen to music for free in exchange for also listening to commercials .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The book industry discovered that people borrow books for free at Public Libraries in exchange for giving up personal information and getting a card.
In other news, the music industry discovered today a device called a Radio which allows people to listen to music for free in exchange for also listening to commercials.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822914</id>
	<title>Re:As a mathematician</title>
	<author>mapkinase</author>
	<datestamp>1263931620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The phrase itself appears only in the blog, but please be sure that all the components are mentioned in the original tongue-out-of-cheek "serious" study.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The phrase itself appears only in the blog , but please be sure that all the components are mentioned in the original tongue-out-of-cheek " serious " study .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The phrase itself appears only in the blog, but please be sure that all the components are mentioned in the original tongue-out-of-cheek "serious" study.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30821960</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823012</id>
	<title>Facts bout public libraries</title>
	<author>mschuyler</author>
	<datestamp>1263931980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fact 1: Public libraries are just about the best return on investment for your tax dollar. For every dollar you spend supporting the public library, you get about $8.00 back in services. If you had to pay retail (or even discounted) for every book borrowed from the public library, that's the ROI you would see. Name another government organization that can give you a better ROI. (Note: You can't.)</p><p>Fact 2: If you have a recession, usage of the public library goes up. Ironically, the library budget is subject to the recession as much as any other business or government entity. For most businesses, if traffic goes up, so does income. It's the opposite for a public library.</p><p>Fact 3: If it were not for public libraries, many books would not be published at all. That's because publishers factor in the public library market in their decision to publish. Larger public libraries buy a given title in the hundreds of copies. There are over 16,000 public libraries in the US. The market is not trivial.</p><p>Fact 4: Public libraries are largely responsible for publishers' 'Backlists' of older titles. Nobody else buys them.</p><p>Fact 5: It is an established fact that people who use public libraries buy far more books than people who do not. Public libraries help create the market that gives profits to publishers.</p><p>Fact 6: Research libraries, especially, are a captive audience for the over-priced, rip-off "scientific" journals that cost hundreds, even thousands of dollars a year that academics "must have." No individual can afford them. If libraries "just said no" those journals would fail in a heartbeat.</p><p>Fact 7: Cutting off libraries is a stupid idea. It's cutting off your nose to spite your face.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fact 1 : Public libraries are just about the best return on investment for your tax dollar .
For every dollar you spend supporting the public library , you get about $ 8.00 back in services .
If you had to pay retail ( or even discounted ) for every book borrowed from the public library , that 's the ROI you would see .
Name another government organization that can give you a better ROI .
( Note : You ca n't .
) Fact 2 : If you have a recession , usage of the public library goes up .
Ironically , the library budget is subject to the recession as much as any other business or government entity .
For most businesses , if traffic goes up , so does income .
It 's the opposite for a public library.Fact 3 : If it were not for public libraries , many books would not be published at all .
That 's because publishers factor in the public library market in their decision to publish .
Larger public libraries buy a given title in the hundreds of copies .
There are over 16,000 public libraries in the US .
The market is not trivial.Fact 4 : Public libraries are largely responsible for publishers ' 'Backlists ' of older titles .
Nobody else buys them.Fact 5 : It is an established fact that people who use public libraries buy far more books than people who do not .
Public libraries help create the market that gives profits to publishers.Fact 6 : Research libraries , especially , are a captive audience for the over-priced , rip-off " scientific " journals that cost hundreds , even thousands of dollars a year that academics " must have .
" No individual can afford them .
If libraries " just said no " those journals would fail in a heartbeat.Fact 7 : Cutting off libraries is a stupid idea .
It 's cutting off your nose to spite your face .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fact 1: Public libraries are just about the best return on investment for your tax dollar.
For every dollar you spend supporting the public library, you get about $8.00 back in services.
If you had to pay retail (or even discounted) for every book borrowed from the public library, that's the ROI you would see.
Name another government organization that can give you a better ROI.
(Note: You can't.
)Fact 2: If you have a recession, usage of the public library goes up.
Ironically, the library budget is subject to the recession as much as any other business or government entity.
For most businesses, if traffic goes up, so does income.
It's the opposite for a public library.Fact 3: If it were not for public libraries, many books would not be published at all.
That's because publishers factor in the public library market in their decision to publish.
Larger public libraries buy a given title in the hundreds of copies.
There are over 16,000 public libraries in the US.
The market is not trivial.Fact 4: Public libraries are largely responsible for publishers' 'Backlists' of older titles.
Nobody else buys them.Fact 5: It is an established fact that people who use public libraries buy far more books than people who do not.
Public libraries help create the market that gives profits to publishers.Fact 6: Research libraries, especially, are a captive audience for the over-priced, rip-off "scientific" journals that cost hundreds, even thousands of dollars a year that academics "must have.
" No individual can afford them.
If libraries "just said no" those journals would fail in a heartbeat.Fact 7: Cutting off libraries is a stupid idea.
It's cutting off your nose to spite your face.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823518</id>
	<title>I borrow, but there is definitely a charge...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263934200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Over $500 per year from my property tax bill goes directly to my local library. In 2009 I borrowed 50 CDs and read 10 books. My library bought those books and CDs, but if they hadn't, I most likely would not have listened to that music or read those books. If I like something, I buy it. If I have a passing interest, I put my tax dollars to work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Over $ 500 per year from my property tax bill goes directly to my local library .
In 2009 I borrowed 50 CDs and read 10 books .
My library bought those books and CDs , but if they had n't , I most likely would not have listened to that music or read those books .
If I like something , I buy it .
If I have a passing interest , I put my tax dollars to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Over $500 per year from my property tax bill goes directly to my local library.
In 2009 I borrowed 50 CDs and read 10 books.
My library bought those books and CDs, but if they hadn't, I most likely would not have listened to that music or read those books.
If I like something, I buy it.
If I have a passing interest, I put my tax dollars to work.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823712</id>
	<title>Re:The First Book Is Free.</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1263891840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To me, this raises a more interesting issue: where would you be if you didn't have the library when you were younger?  How would it have shaped your life to not-have access to books at a young age?  Maybe you wouldn't be able to afford them now.
</p><p>It's in society's best interest to make books and educational materials as available as possible.  That's why we have libraries in the first place.  That relatively small investment in getting little TheWizardTim access to books has now turned him into a successful [whatever-you-are], which provides a huge return on investment.
</p><p>We may someday see arguments that stricter copyrights are good for the economy because it allows more profits for publishers.  What we shouldn't forget to include in those calculations is all the economic waste of having little TheWizardTims everywhere grow up to be poor stupid criminals instead of upstanding and productive members of society.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To me , this raises a more interesting issue : where would you be if you did n't have the library when you were younger ?
How would it have shaped your life to not-have access to books at a young age ?
Maybe you would n't be able to afford them now .
It 's in society 's best interest to make books and educational materials as available as possible .
That 's why we have libraries in the first place .
That relatively small investment in getting little TheWizardTim access to books has now turned him into a successful [ whatever-you-are ] , which provides a huge return on investment .
We may someday see arguments that stricter copyrights are good for the economy because it allows more profits for publishers .
What we should n't forget to include in those calculations is all the economic waste of having little TheWizardTims everywhere grow up to be poor stupid criminals instead of upstanding and productive members of society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To me, this raises a more interesting issue: where would you be if you didn't have the library when you were younger?
How would it have shaped your life to not-have access to books at a young age?
Maybe you wouldn't be able to afford them now.
It's in society's best interest to make books and educational materials as available as possible.
That's why we have libraries in the first place.
That relatively small investment in getting little TheWizardTim access to books has now turned him into a successful [whatever-you-are], which provides a huge return on investment.
We may someday see arguments that stricter copyrights are good for the economy because it allows more profits for publishers.
What we shouldn't forget to include in those calculations is all the economic waste of having little TheWizardTims everywhere grow up to be poor stupid criminals instead of upstanding and productive members of society.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822558</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30826500</id>
	<title>It may be a joke, today.</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1263905100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But its a serious threat to our way of life as eventually they really will target libraries, and used book sales.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But its a serious threat to our way of life as eventually they really will target libraries , and used book sales .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But its a serious threat to our way of life as eventually they really will target libraries, and used book sales.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822368</id>
	<title>Should be a red flag that it was a JOKE</title>
	<author>spun</author>
	<datestamp>1263929880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now you're just adding to the stereotype that mathematicians have no sense of humor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now you 're just adding to the stereotype that mathematicians have no sense of humor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now you're just adding to the stereotype that mathematicians have no sense of humor.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30821960</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822574</id>
	<title>Re:Coming clean</title>
	<author>jameskojiro</author>
	<datestamp>1263930540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My mom read me bedtime story books that she "borrowed" from my aunt.   I guess it is time for mom to go to the slammer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My mom read me bedtime story books that she " borrowed " from my aunt .
I guess it is time for mom to go to the slammer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My mom read me bedtime story books that she "borrowed" from my aunt.
I guess it is time for mom to go to the slammer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30821958</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30830442</id>
	<title>Re:Libraries? Forget 'em, they're already gone.</title>
	<author>TheTurtlesMoves</author>
	<datestamp>1263992220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can get ebooks from my Library too. And CDs and DVDs etc... Library's have been moving with the times. They are not going anywhere anytime soon. Just like real books.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can get ebooks from my Library too .
And CDs and DVDs etc... Library 's have been moving with the times .
They are not going anywhere anytime soon .
Just like real books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can get ebooks from my Library too.
And CDs and DVDs etc... Library's have been moving with the times.
They are not going anywhere anytime soon.
Just like real books.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823690</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30825478</id>
	<title>TFA is a humorous article...</title>
	<author>Chris Tucker</author>
	<datestamp>1263899880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...this dipshit is SERIOUS!</p><p><a href="http://rebirthofreason.com/Articles/Landauer/The\_Scourge\_of\_Public\_Libraries.shtml" title="rebirthofreason.com"> <b>The Scourge of Public Libraries</b><nobr> <wbr></nobr></a> [rebirthofreason.com].</p><blockquote><div><p>Instead of just books, most of my local libraries contain all sorts of media that people can check out, including movies. Instead of going to one of the Blockbuster Video stores that are on practically every corner and paying $4, one can go to a local library and pay 50 cents or at some places nothing at all. Yay! Free movies!</p><p>Of course, if you want to get one of the more popular movies, you'll have to sign up on the waiting list several weeks in advance. It reminds me of Soviet breadlines. Very few people get their movies at libraries compared to Blockbuster. At least in this case, the convenience and selection of the free market are beating the socialist gravy train.</p></div></blockquote><p>Yes, being on a waiting list for a DVD from the Boston Public Library (in my case) is JUST LIKE a "<i>Soviet breadline</i>".</p><p>Is there no end to Libertarian douchebaggery?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...this dipshit is SERIOUS !
The Scourge of Public Libraries [ rebirthofreason.com ] .Instead of just books , most of my local libraries contain all sorts of media that people can check out , including movies .
Instead of going to one of the Blockbuster Video stores that are on practically every corner and paying $ 4 , one can go to a local library and pay 50 cents or at some places nothing at all .
Yay ! Free movies ! Of course , if you want to get one of the more popular movies , you 'll have to sign up on the waiting list several weeks in advance .
It reminds me of Soviet breadlines .
Very few people get their movies at libraries compared to Blockbuster .
At least in this case , the convenience and selection of the free market are beating the socialist gravy train.Yes , being on a waiting list for a DVD from the Boston Public Library ( in my case ) is JUST LIKE a " Soviet breadline " .Is there no end to Libertarian douchebaggery ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...this dipshit is SERIOUS!
The Scourge of Public Libraries  [rebirthofreason.com].Instead of just books, most of my local libraries contain all sorts of media that people can check out, including movies.
Instead of going to one of the Blockbuster Video stores that are on practically every corner and paying $4, one can go to a local library and pay 50 cents or at some places nothing at all.
Yay! Free movies!Of course, if you want to get one of the more popular movies, you'll have to sign up on the waiting list several weeks in advance.
It reminds me of Soviet breadlines.
Very few people get their movies at libraries compared to Blockbuster.
At least in this case, the convenience and selection of the free market are beating the socialist gravy train.Yes, being on a waiting list for a DVD from the Boston Public Library (in my case) is JUST LIKE a "Soviet breadline".Is there no end to Libertarian douchebaggery?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823054</id>
	<title>Re:In other news...</title>
	<author>TheWizardTim</author>
	<datestamp>1263932220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someone beat you to it.</p><p><a href="http://www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/basSoph3.html" title="econlib.org">http://www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/basSoph3.html</a> [econlib.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone beat you to it.http : //www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/basSoph3.html [ econlib.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone beat you to it.http://www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/basSoph3.html [econlib.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30821884</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30821852</id>
	<title>Excellent satire</title>
	<author>jeffasselin</author>
	<datestamp>1263928140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really, too often what's funny is what is true, or at least points at facets of reality that other methods of communication cannot manage to talk about as easily.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really , too often what 's funny is what is true , or at least points at facets of reality that other methods of communication can not manage to talk about as easily .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really, too often what's funny is what is true, or at least points at facets of reality that other methods of communication cannot manage to talk about as easily.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823254</id>
	<title>Re:Make eBooks Cheaper!</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1263933000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also standardize ebooks.  Part of the reason I don't get into ebooks is that if I buy a Kindle, then I'm stuck with a Kindle.  I have no reason to believe that if I buy a Nook v2 in 2 years that I'll be able to read the books I bought on my Kindle.
</p><p>This is a problem caused largely by DRM, but I'm not trying to get into an ant-DRM rant. (I could.  I'm anti-DRM.)  My point is that this is a real problem that prevents me from buying ebooks.  If I buy a paperback book for $10, I know I can keep it for 20 years, loan it, or even give it away to a friend.  If I buy an ebook for $10, I might not be able to get access to it in a couple years.  The paperback is a better product in my opinion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also standardize ebooks .
Part of the reason I do n't get into ebooks is that if I buy a Kindle , then I 'm stuck with a Kindle .
I have no reason to believe that if I buy a Nook v2 in 2 years that I 'll be able to read the books I bought on my Kindle .
This is a problem caused largely by DRM , but I 'm not trying to get into an ant-DRM rant .
( I could .
I 'm anti-DRM .
) My point is that this is a real problem that prevents me from buying ebooks .
If I buy a paperback book for $ 10 , I know I can keep it for 20 years , loan it , or even give it away to a friend .
If I buy an ebook for $ 10 , I might not be able to get access to it in a couple years .
The paperback is a better product in my opinion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also standardize ebooks.
Part of the reason I don't get into ebooks is that if I buy a Kindle, then I'm stuck with a Kindle.
I have no reason to believe that if I buy a Nook v2 in 2 years that I'll be able to read the books I bought on my Kindle.
This is a problem caused largely by DRM, but I'm not trying to get into an ant-DRM rant.
(I could.
I'm anti-DRM.
)  My point is that this is a real problem that prevents me from buying ebooks.
If I buy a paperback book for $10, I know I can keep it for 20 years, loan it, or even give it away to a friend.
If I buy an ebook for $10, I might not be able to get access to it in a couple years.
The paperback is a better product in my opinion.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30824200</id>
	<title>Re:What Was And Is No More</title>
	<author>KraftDinner</author>
	<datestamp>1263894060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Could the move have something to do with the introduction of more and more computers and media into our libraries? Back in the day, all you basically had were books. Sure you could rent videos there, but you couldn't really watch them there, you had to take them home to watch. But with the computers, you can chat online, facebook and even play games. Hell, sometimes people even look at porn on those things(I've read in the news about some guy getting caught looking at child pornography at my local library downtown).

Seems to me that these things might have played a large role in the conversion.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could the move have something to do with the introduction of more and more computers and media into our libraries ?
Back in the day , all you basically had were books .
Sure you could rent videos there , but you could n't really watch them there , you had to take them home to watch .
But with the computers , you can chat online , facebook and even play games .
Hell , sometimes people even look at porn on those things ( I 've read in the news about some guy getting caught looking at child pornography at my local library downtown ) .
Seems to me that these things might have played a large role in the conversion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could the move have something to do with the introduction of more and more computers and media into our libraries?
Back in the day, all you basically had were books.
Sure you could rent videos there, but you couldn't really watch them there, you had to take them home to watch.
But with the computers, you can chat online, facebook and even play games.
Hell, sometimes people even look at porn on those things(I've read in the news about some guy getting caught looking at child pornography at my local library downtown).
Seems to me that these things might have played a large role in the conversion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30826140</id>
	<title>Money Maker</title>
	<author>pubwvj</author>
	<datestamp>1263903000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only that but it is tax payer funded in many cities.<br>We don't have one of these, er, book 'lenders' in our town so I pay a little money ($5) to join the 'library' in the nearby city were I can, ahem, 'borrow' books. Sometimes I just read them there though...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only that but it is tax payer funded in many cities.We do n't have one of these , er , book 'lenders ' in our town so I pay a little money ( $ 5 ) to join the 'library ' in the nearby city were I can , ahem , 'borrow ' books .
Sometimes I just read them there though.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only that but it is tax payer funded in many cities.We don't have one of these, er, book 'lenders' in our town so I pay a little money ($5) to join the 'library' in the nearby city were I can, ahem, 'borrow' books.
Sometimes I just read them there though...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30826424</id>
	<title>Big difference</title>
	<author>cdrguru</author>
	<datestamp>1263904620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I borrow a book in a library, it is mine for a limited time.  When I pirate, it is mine forever.</p><p>When I borrow a book in a library, I can't sell it or destroy it.  When I pirate, I can sell it (to a silly noob) or do whatever I want with it.</p><p>When I borrow a book in a library, I can buy it in a bookstore if I really want to keep it.  When I pirate there is no need to ever buy anything because <b>I have it already.</b></p><p>A library is no threat to publishers in any real fashion.  There are a limited number of books that can be lent out and the library buys them.  Pirating, on the other hand, involves no purchases (other than the first) and there are an unlimited number of copies that can be obtained.</p><p>While a library might be useful for some, there is no real revenue threat.  Piracy is a complete revenue threat with the object being the destruction of revenue from digital goods.  If everyone can download for free, why would anyone buy?  Talking about differences in quality or the "experience" of the original vs. the pirated item is silly - the entire operation of "piracy" involves the original item.  We aren't talking about the original song vs. a high school band trying to imitate the original.  It is the original, it is just free for everyone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I borrow a book in a library , it is mine for a limited time .
When I pirate , it is mine forever.When I borrow a book in a library , I ca n't sell it or destroy it .
When I pirate , I can sell it ( to a silly noob ) or do whatever I want with it.When I borrow a book in a library , I can buy it in a bookstore if I really want to keep it .
When I pirate there is no need to ever buy anything because I have it already.A library is no threat to publishers in any real fashion .
There are a limited number of books that can be lent out and the library buys them .
Pirating , on the other hand , involves no purchases ( other than the first ) and there are an unlimited number of copies that can be obtained.While a library might be useful for some , there is no real revenue threat .
Piracy is a complete revenue threat with the object being the destruction of revenue from digital goods .
If everyone can download for free , why would anyone buy ?
Talking about differences in quality or the " experience " of the original vs. the pirated item is silly - the entire operation of " piracy " involves the original item .
We are n't talking about the original song vs. a high school band trying to imitate the original .
It is the original , it is just free for everyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I borrow a book in a library, it is mine for a limited time.
When I pirate, it is mine forever.When I borrow a book in a library, I can't sell it or destroy it.
When I pirate, I can sell it (to a silly noob) or do whatever I want with it.When I borrow a book in a library, I can buy it in a bookstore if I really want to keep it.
When I pirate there is no need to ever buy anything because I have it already.A library is no threat to publishers in any real fashion.
There are a limited number of books that can be lent out and the library buys them.
Pirating, on the other hand, involves no purchases (other than the first) and there are an unlimited number of copies that can be obtained.While a library might be useful for some, there is no real revenue threat.
Piracy is a complete revenue threat with the object being the destruction of revenue from digital goods.
If everyone can download for free, why would anyone buy?
Talking about differences in quality or the "experience" of the original vs. the pirated item is silly - the entire operation of "piracy" involves the original item.
We aren't talking about the original song vs. a high school band trying to imitate the original.
It is the original, it is just free for everyone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30828710</id>
	<title>digital library</title>
	<author>sixsixtysix</author>
	<datestamp>1263925680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>why can't the internet be one big library where any can be accessed through a monthly connection fee. oh wait, it is. now the lawmakers and content industry must come to terms with that harsh reality.
i'm sorry, but if entire industries have to be rebuilt from the ground up, so be it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>why ca n't the internet be one big library where any can be accessed through a monthly connection fee .
oh wait , it is .
now the lawmakers and content industry must come to terms with that harsh reality .
i 'm sorry , but if entire industries have to be rebuilt from the ground up , so be it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why can't the internet be one big library where any can be accessed through a monthly connection fee.
oh wait, it is.
now the lawmakers and content industry must come to terms with that harsh reality.
i'm sorry, but if entire industries have to be rebuilt from the ground up, so be it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30824096</id>
	<title>ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263893580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this is stupid....where do they come up with these "statistics" ? I'm thinking directly from their asses....cause that's what they are.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this is stupid....where do they come up with these " statistics " ?
I 'm thinking directly from their asses....cause that 's what they are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is stupid....where do they come up with these "statistics" ?
I'm thinking directly from their asses....cause that's what they are.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30827872</id>
	<title>Re:oh, when will the 'socialism' end??</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1263917340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Don't get me wrong, Corps have to make money</p></div></blockquote><p>

No, people have the right to make money, it's not an entitlement. Corporations are a method to direct money to people whilst deflecting responsibility to an ambiguous group so we should always remember that it is a person(s) who reaps the profit.</p><blockquote><div><p>socialism or communism... Fascism</p></div></blockquote><p>

One of these things is not like the other.<br> <br>

Fascism is radically different to communism (Hitler hated communists and Stalin hated the fascists, war between Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia was not only inevitable, both sides had earmarked a start date for it). Fascism is about directing the wealth and power towards the hands of the few (in Italian this is called the Fasci), this of course worked quite well for Germany and Italy. Communism on the other hand is about sharing the wealth equally and empowering individuals, this of course worked quite poorly for almost all who tried.<br> <br>

Fascism is an extremist right wing ideology, that emphasises extreme authoritarianism, nationalism and corporatism. If you need a good literary example, Fascism is best described by George Orwell in 1984 (Communism is best described by Orwell in Animal Farm).<br> <br>

Fascism and Communism are both examples of bad governments and are overused by the extremist [\_]RIGHT/[\_]LEFT to demonise anyone they don't agree with. Some idea's are best when socialist, others best when capitalist and many do not fit onto the rigid left/right scale prized by Americans. Democracy is the force that creates a balance between capitalist idea and socialist ideas so that no extreme can take power, well at least in theory.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't get me wrong , Corps have to make money No , people have the right to make money , it 's not an entitlement .
Corporations are a method to direct money to people whilst deflecting responsibility to an ambiguous group so we should always remember that it is a person ( s ) who reaps the profit.socialism or communism... Fascism One of these things is not like the other .
Fascism is radically different to communism ( Hitler hated communists and Stalin hated the fascists , war between Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia was not only inevitable , both sides had earmarked a start date for it ) .
Fascism is about directing the wealth and power towards the hands of the few ( in Italian this is called the Fasci ) , this of course worked quite well for Germany and Italy .
Communism on the other hand is about sharing the wealth equally and empowering individuals , this of course worked quite poorly for almost all who tried .
Fascism is an extremist right wing ideology , that emphasises extreme authoritarianism , nationalism and corporatism .
If you need a good literary example , Fascism is best described by George Orwell in 1984 ( Communism is best described by Orwell in Animal Farm ) .
Fascism and Communism are both examples of bad governments and are overused by the extremist [ \ _ ] RIGHT/ [ \ _ ] LEFT to demonise anyone they do n't agree with .
Some idea 's are best when socialist , others best when capitalist and many do not fit onto the rigid left/right scale prized by Americans .
Democracy is the force that creates a balance between capitalist idea and socialist ideas so that no extreme can take power , well at least in theory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't get me wrong, Corps have to make money

No, people have the right to make money, it's not an entitlement.
Corporations are a method to direct money to people whilst deflecting responsibility to an ambiguous group so we should always remember that it is a person(s) who reaps the profit.socialism or communism... Fascism

One of these things is not like the other.
Fascism is radically different to communism (Hitler hated communists and Stalin hated the fascists, war between Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia was not only inevitable, both sides had earmarked a start date for it).
Fascism is about directing the wealth and power towards the hands of the few (in Italian this is called the Fasci), this of course worked quite well for Germany and Italy.
Communism on the other hand is about sharing the wealth equally and empowering individuals, this of course worked quite poorly for almost all who tried.
Fascism is an extremist right wing ideology, that emphasises extreme authoritarianism, nationalism and corporatism.
If you need a good literary example, Fascism is best described by George Orwell in 1984 (Communism is best described by Orwell in Animal Farm).
Fascism and Communism are both examples of bad governments and are overused by the extremist [\_]RIGHT/[\_]LEFT to demonise anyone they don't agree with.
Some idea's are best when socialist, others best when capitalist and many do not fit onto the rigid left/right scale prized by Americans.
Democracy is the force that creates a balance between capitalist idea and socialist ideas so that no extreme can take power, well at least in theory.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823184</id>
	<title>Re:I have news for you...</title>
	<author>jank1887</author>
	<datestamp>1263932700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>mine even has video games. but they charge $1 per rental.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>mine even has video games .
but they charge $ 1 per rental .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mine even has video games.
but they charge $1 per rental.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30824330</id>
	<title>Re:And they keep secrets!</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1263894780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When the authorities have requested copies of patrons borrowing records</p></div><p>As a frequent library patron, I would rather object to being copied for that purpose.  I love to do a bit of deliberately sabotaged "copying" with my girlfriend, though.</p><p>If you're in what-the-hell mode, OP meant patrons<b>'</b> (with an apostrophe).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When the authorities have requested copies of patrons borrowing recordsAs a frequent library patron , I would rather object to being copied for that purpose .
I love to do a bit of deliberately sabotaged " copying " with my girlfriend , though.If you 're in what-the-hell mode , OP meant patrons ' ( with an apostrophe ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When the authorities have requested copies of patrons borrowing recordsAs a frequent library patron, I would rather object to being copied for that purpose.
I love to do a bit of deliberately sabotaged "copying" with my girlfriend, though.If you're in what-the-hell mode, OP meant patrons' (with an apostrophe).
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823010</id>
	<title>Re:this is what is wrong:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263931980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your argument does not follow from its premises.</p><p>One could very easily argue that children should not profit from the work of their parents and still believe in the concept of intellectual property.  An alternative IP scheme could end copyright protection with the death of the author.</p><p>The argument for letting children profit is easy; some people work so their children and granchildren can benefit, and not themselves.  How true that argument is, and how far in the future that profit should extend, are open to debate, but it's not a completely stupid argument.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your argument does not follow from its premises.One could very easily argue that children should not profit from the work of their parents and still believe in the concept of intellectual property .
An alternative IP scheme could end copyright protection with the death of the author.The argument for letting children profit is easy ; some people work so their children and granchildren can benefit , and not themselves .
How true that argument is , and how far in the future that profit should extend , are open to debate , but it 's not a completely stupid argument .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your argument does not follow from its premises.One could very easily argue that children should not profit from the work of their parents and still believe in the concept of intellectual property.
An alternative IP scheme could end copyright protection with the death of the author.The argument for letting children profit is easy; some people work so their children and granchildren can benefit, and not themselves.
How true that argument is, and how far in the future that profit should extend, are open to debate, but it's not a completely stupid argument.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822344</id>
	<title>Cause and Effect</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263929820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is what happens when a government runs the value of their money to the ground by over-spending/borrowing.  The purchasing power of the average family goes down and they start making tough choices about where their money goes.  Things like overpriced cable television, unnecessary luxury trips, entertainment purchases (books, movies, music), and other non-essential items don't get purchased.  Instead of the Corporations facing this reality and coming up with quality products that have value, they instead blame 'piracy' for their woes.</p><p>Sorry Corporations, food and gas to get to work is more important than a $30 Blue-Ray movie, especially when I is delivered a few weeks later at my door via my Netflix queue.  Used video games are more attractive (even bargain bin ones) than $60 for the latest greatest, and if I am desperate I can rent for $3 at Hollywood Video.  Radio is free and generally will play something worth listening to, so that song better be really good for me to spend even $0.99 on it (Ke$ha need not apply).</p><p>These days I use the library, netflix, rentals, borrowing, ebay, or any other legal means to save a buck on entertainment these days.  Even if that means just playing cards with the family or going to the park.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is what happens when a government runs the value of their money to the ground by over-spending/borrowing .
The purchasing power of the average family goes down and they start making tough choices about where their money goes .
Things like overpriced cable television , unnecessary luxury trips , entertainment purchases ( books , movies , music ) , and other non-essential items do n't get purchased .
Instead of the Corporations facing this reality and coming up with quality products that have value , they instead blame 'piracy ' for their woes.Sorry Corporations , food and gas to get to work is more important than a $ 30 Blue-Ray movie , especially when I is delivered a few weeks later at my door via my Netflix queue .
Used video games are more attractive ( even bargain bin ones ) than $ 60 for the latest greatest , and if I am desperate I can rent for $ 3 at Hollywood Video .
Radio is free and generally will play something worth listening to , so that song better be really good for me to spend even $ 0.99 on it ( Ke $ ha need not apply ) .These days I use the library , netflix , rentals , borrowing , ebay , or any other legal means to save a buck on entertainment these days .
Even if that means just playing cards with the family or going to the park .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is what happens when a government runs the value of their money to the ground by over-spending/borrowing.
The purchasing power of the average family goes down and they start making tough choices about where their money goes.
Things like overpriced cable television, unnecessary luxury trips, entertainment purchases (books, movies, music), and other non-essential items don't get purchased.
Instead of the Corporations facing this reality and coming up with quality products that have value, they instead blame 'piracy' for their woes.Sorry Corporations, food and gas to get to work is more important than a $30 Blue-Ray movie, especially when I is delivered a few weeks later at my door via my Netflix queue.
Used video games are more attractive (even bargain bin ones) than $60 for the latest greatest, and if I am desperate I can rent for $3 at Hollywood Video.
Radio is free and generally will play something worth listening to, so that song better be really good for me to spend even $0.99 on it (Ke$ha need not apply).These days I use the library, netflix, rentals, borrowing, ebay, or any other legal means to save a buck on entertainment these days.
Even if that means just playing cards with the family or going to the park.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30821936</id>
	<title>Blog from a New Jersey "Internet Technologist" ?</title>
	<author>RobotRunAmok</author>
	<datestamp>1263928440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What happened... the bartender you wanted to interview for his opinion on the latest Ubuntu distro didn't return your call?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What happened... the bartender you wanted to interview for his opinion on the latest Ubuntu distro did n't return your call ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happened... the bartender you wanted to interview for his opinion on the latest Ubuntu distro didn't return your call?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823128</id>
	<title>Tax!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263932460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then you should instaurate a tax to compensate the industry for this kind of loses!</p><p>Oh wait, if you live in Spain you are already paying this tax over the cds, dvds, mobile phones, harddrives, photocameras, mp3 players, computers (twice if your computer has a harddrive and a cardreader... and probably you are paying it 5 times for your computer... harddrives + ram modules + cardreader + biosrom +<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... anything where you can store information or can use to store information, except for your brain, your hands, pencils/pens and paper (they'll fix this with time, don't worry about it!).</p><p>Luckily is the state who is collecting the tax, so we at least know where the money is goin.... what? That the state is not collecting the tax? That the Spanish RIAA is collecting it and that their accounting information is secret???</p><p>At least the autors are getting compensated for their loses... But it turns out that im an autor myself and never seen a penny from it, weird isn't... well i guess im not important enough... But, what? That the executive board of the spanish RIAA are "ex-autors": they haven't produce a new album in 20 years and havn't given a concert in more than a decade... and they are driving around in ferraris and living in mansion?!?!?! No way, i mean they must have been very famous before... what? That they produced one song and are trying to live from that for their whole live? And they are collecting the taxes? And making the copyright laws? Aren't they a bit impartial on this one??</p><p>I'm sure not, they are at the top so they must be very good people with very good intentions doing what's best to incentivate the production of culture in the world.. Moreover, everybody is innocent until proven otherwise (something that with no accounting information is kind of difficult) but wait... innocent until proven otherwise... that reminds me of something.... nooo, it can't be an article of the constitution cause the tax they are collecting states that everyone will use every storage device at their disposition for storing stealed copyrighted content and... doesn't that mean that anyone is guilty? Well, at least i'm sure that if you can prove otherwise they'll give you the tax back right? What? That they don't??!! Mthfuckers...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then you should instaurate a tax to compensate the industry for this kind of loses ! Oh wait , if you live in Spain you are already paying this tax over the cds , dvds , mobile phones , harddrives , photocameras , mp3 players , computers ( twice if your computer has a harddrive and a cardreader... and probably you are paying it 5 times for your computer... harddrives + ram modules + cardreader + biosrom + ... ) .... anything where you can store information or can use to store information , except for your brain , your hands , pencils/pens and paper ( they 'll fix this with time , do n't worry about it !
) .Luckily is the state who is collecting the tax , so we at least know where the money is goin.... what ? That the state is not collecting the tax ?
That the Spanish RIAA is collecting it and that their accounting information is secret ? ?
? At least the autors are getting compensated for their loses... But it turns out that im an autor myself and never seen a penny from it , weird is n't... well i guess im not important enough... But , what ?
That the executive board of the spanish RIAA are " ex-autors " : they have n't produce a new album in 20 years and hav n't given a concert in more than a decade... and they are driving around in ferraris and living in mansion ? ! ? ! ? !
No way , i mean they must have been very famous before... what ? That they produced one song and are trying to live from that for their whole live ?
And they are collecting the taxes ?
And making the copyright laws ?
Are n't they a bit impartial on this one ?
? I 'm sure not , they are at the top so they must be very good people with very good intentions doing what 's best to incentivate the production of culture in the world.. Moreover , everybody is innocent until proven otherwise ( something that with no accounting information is kind of difficult ) but wait... innocent until proven otherwise... that reminds me of something.... nooo , it ca n't be an article of the constitution cause the tax they are collecting states that everyone will use every storage device at their disposition for storing stealed copyrighted content and... does n't that mean that anyone is guilty ?
Well , at least i 'm sure that if you can prove otherwise they 'll give you the tax back right ?
What ? That they do n't ? ? ! !
Mthfuckers.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then you should instaurate a tax to compensate the industry for this kind of loses!Oh wait, if you live in Spain you are already paying this tax over the cds, dvds, mobile phones, harddrives, photocameras, mp3 players, computers (twice if your computer has a harddrive and a cardreader... and probably you are paying it 5 times for your computer... harddrives + ram modules + cardreader + biosrom + ...) .... anything where you can store information or can use to store information, except for your brain, your hands, pencils/pens and paper (they'll fix this with time, don't worry about it!
).Luckily is the state who is collecting the tax, so we at least know where the money is goin.... what? That the state is not collecting the tax?
That the Spanish RIAA is collecting it and that their accounting information is secret??
?At least the autors are getting compensated for their loses... But it turns out that im an autor myself and never seen a penny from it, weird isn't... well i guess im not important enough... But, what?
That the executive board of the spanish RIAA are "ex-autors": they haven't produce a new album in 20 years and havn't given a concert in more than a decade... and they are driving around in ferraris and living in mansion?!?!?!
No way, i mean they must have been very famous before... what? That they produced one song and are trying to live from that for their whole live?
And they are collecting the taxes?
And making the copyright laws?
Aren't they a bit impartial on this one?
?I'm sure not, they are at the top so they must be very good people with very good intentions doing what's best to incentivate the production of culture in the world.. Moreover, everybody is innocent until proven otherwise (something that with no accounting information is kind of difficult) but wait... innocent until proven otherwise... that reminds me of something.... nooo, it can't be an article of the constitution cause the tax they are collecting states that everyone will use every storage device at their disposition for storing stealed copyrighted content and... doesn't that mean that anyone is guilty?
Well, at least i'm sure that if you can prove otherwise they'll give you the tax back right?
What? That they don't??!!
Mthfuckers...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
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	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263933420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Forget libraries, I decided to copyright the alphabet in all known written form.  Now, anytime any single letter is used without express permission, I must be paid.  While I was at it, I had done the same for the entire numerical system (including imaginary numbers).</p><p>Therefore, if you wish to write anything down, please remit payment ASAP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Forget libraries , I decided to copyright the alphabet in all known written form .
Now , anytime any single letter is used without express permission , I must be paid .
While I was at it , I had done the same for the entire numerical system ( including imaginary numbers ) .Therefore , if you wish to write anything down , please remit payment ASAP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Forget libraries, I decided to copyright the alphabet in all known written form.
Now, anytime any single letter is used without express permission, I must be paid.
While I was at it, I had done the same for the entire numerical system (including imaginary numbers).Therefore, if you wish to write anything down, please remit payment ASAP.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822768</id>
	<title>Re:Sad</title>
	<author>jc42</author>
	<datestamp>1263931140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've read a few histories of the development of public libraries, mostly in the 1800s, and the authors generally mentioned the opposition from the publishers.  After a few decades, publishers started figuring out that sales were better in areas with public libraries, and slowly learned to accept the idea.</p><p>This has also been mentioned in the various articles on the 20th-century battles over "Intellectual Property".  They generally have included long lists of all the technical advances in sound-recording equipment.  Every new technology has been attacked by the recording industry on the grounds that it makes it easy for people to make free copies rather than buying from the publisher.  Eventually the companies realize that they're selling even more to the users of the new technology, so they back off, only to do the same thing with the next new device.</p><p>The battle to block free access to books in public libraries was merely an early example of the same phenomenon.  Today we see an article written from such a viewpoint as obvious satire.  Back in 1820, it wasn't satire.  It was a serious effort to warn the literate public about the dangers of providing literature and education free to the great unwashed masses.</p><p>(Note that in the early 1800s, it was widely <i>illegal</i> in the US to teach a negro - or sometimes any non-white person - to read.  This gives you a clue to how bad it was back then.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've read a few histories of the development of public libraries , mostly in the 1800s , and the authors generally mentioned the opposition from the publishers .
After a few decades , publishers started figuring out that sales were better in areas with public libraries , and slowly learned to accept the idea.This has also been mentioned in the various articles on the 20th-century battles over " Intellectual Property " .
They generally have included long lists of all the technical advances in sound-recording equipment .
Every new technology has been attacked by the recording industry on the grounds that it makes it easy for people to make free copies rather than buying from the publisher .
Eventually the companies realize that they 're selling even more to the users of the new technology , so they back off , only to do the same thing with the next new device.The battle to block free access to books in public libraries was merely an early example of the same phenomenon .
Today we see an article written from such a viewpoint as obvious satire .
Back in 1820 , it was n't satire .
It was a serious effort to warn the literate public about the dangers of providing literature and education free to the great unwashed masses .
( Note that in the early 1800s , it was widely illegal in the US to teach a negro - or sometimes any non-white person - to read .
This gives you a clue to how bad it was back then .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've read a few histories of the development of public libraries, mostly in the 1800s, and the authors generally mentioned the opposition from the publishers.
After a few decades, publishers started figuring out that sales were better in areas with public libraries, and slowly learned to accept the idea.This has also been mentioned in the various articles on the 20th-century battles over "Intellectual Property".
They generally have included long lists of all the technical advances in sound-recording equipment.
Every new technology has been attacked by the recording industry on the grounds that it makes it easy for people to make free copies rather than buying from the publisher.
Eventually the companies realize that they're selling even more to the users of the new technology, so they back off, only to do the same thing with the next new device.The battle to block free access to books in public libraries was merely an early example of the same phenomenon.
Today we see an article written from such a viewpoint as obvious satire.
Back in 1820, it wasn't satire.
It was a serious effort to warn the literate public about the dangers of providing literature and education free to the great unwashed masses.
(Note that in the early 1800s, it was widely illegal in the US to teach a negro - or sometimes any non-white person - to read.
This gives you a clue to how bad it was back then.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30826456</id>
	<title>Re:zero sum vs non-zero sum</title>
	<author>pclminion</author>
	<datestamp>1263904800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem is that the information remains in your head after you've read the book. The knowledge contained therein was purchased once and spread to many people. This seems to be a horrifying thing to some extremely deranged people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is that the information remains in your head after you 've read the book .
The knowledge contained therein was purchased once and spread to many people .
This seems to be a horrifying thing to some extremely deranged people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is that the information remains in your head after you've read the book.
The knowledge contained therein was purchased once and spread to many people.
This seems to be a horrifying thing to some extremely deranged people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822608</id>
	<title>Stop it.  Stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263930660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Comparing making unauthorised copies of an item and lending copies of items that have been paid for is the STUPIDEST COMPARISON THAT CAN BE MADE.
<p>
It's hair rendingly stupid.  It serves no purpose other than to make people who make the comparison appear brain crushingly thick and who don't understand the first thing about the purpose of copyright.
</p><p>
Just to sum it up for the terminally thick.
</p><p>
Library: pays for one copy.  Lends that copy to 1 person at a time.  One copy paid for, one copy made.
Making unlimited copies of things: One copy paid for (if that).  Infinite copies made.
</p><p>
So, just, stop!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Comparing making unauthorised copies of an item and lending copies of items that have been paid for is the STUPIDEST COMPARISON THAT CAN BE MADE .
It 's hair rendingly stupid .
It serves no purpose other than to make people who make the comparison appear brain crushingly thick and who do n't understand the first thing about the purpose of copyright .
Just to sum it up for the terminally thick .
Library : pays for one copy .
Lends that copy to 1 person at a time .
One copy paid for , one copy made .
Making unlimited copies of things : One copy paid for ( if that ) .
Infinite copies made .
So , just , stop !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Comparing making unauthorised copies of an item and lending copies of items that have been paid for is the STUPIDEST COMPARISON THAT CAN BE MADE.
It's hair rendingly stupid.
It serves no purpose other than to make people who make the comparison appear brain crushingly thick and who don't understand the first thing about the purpose of copyright.
Just to sum it up for the terminally thick.
Library: pays for one copy.
Lends that copy to 1 person at a time.
One copy paid for, one copy made.
Making unlimited copies of things: One copy paid for (if that).
Infinite copies made.
So, just, stop!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30843524</id>
	<title>Re:As a mathematician</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264066380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Asimov saw this coming already in the Foundation series (1951). The calculus of variations (I read a translated version so..) used in the psychohistorical calculations by the Hari Seldon were forbidden in the empire.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Asimov saw this coming already in the Foundation series ( 1951 ) .
The calculus of variations ( I read a translated version so.. ) used in the psychohistorical calculations by the Hari Seldon were forbidden in the empire .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Asimov saw this coming already in the Foundation series (1951).
The calculus of variations (I read a translated version so..) used in the psychohistorical calculations by the Hari Seldon were forbidden in the empire.</sentencetext>
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	<title>this is what is wrong:</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1263929160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>His adventures in books, plays, television shows and movies continue to pay dividends for the heirs of his creator, Arthur Conan Doyle. Holmes's latest appearance on film, directed by Guy Ritchie, has sold more than $311 million in tickets worldwide, and on Sunday won a Golden Globe award for its star, Robert Downey Jr.</p><p>At his age, Holmes would logically seem to have entered the public domain. But not only is the character still under copyright in the United States, for nearly 80 years he has also been caught in a web of ownership issues so tangled that Professor Moriarty wouldn't have wished them upon him.</p></div></blockquote><p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/19/books/19sherlock.html" title="nytimes.com">http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/19/books/19sherlock.html</a> [nytimes.com]</p><p>dear all creators:</p><p>no, it does not make any fucking sense that your grandchildren should profit from a story you wrote, a song you sang, a movie you directed, whatever</p><p>it simply does NOT make sense. it is an intellectually and philosophically corrupt concept</p><p>intelletual property law only deserves to be disrespected, fought, and subverted. intellectual property law is a parasitical drain on our culture. intellectual property law must be destroyed. it is not of any benefit to anyone except certain entrenched well-connected, well-lawyered interests</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>His adventures in books , plays , television shows and movies continue to pay dividends for the heirs of his creator , Arthur Conan Doyle .
Holmes 's latest appearance on film , directed by Guy Ritchie , has sold more than $ 311 million in tickets worldwide , and on Sunday won a Golden Globe award for its star , Robert Downey Jr.At his age , Holmes would logically seem to have entered the public domain .
But not only is the character still under copyright in the United States , for nearly 80 years he has also been caught in a web of ownership issues so tangled that Professor Moriarty would n't have wished them upon him.http : //www.nytimes.com/2010/01/19/books/19sherlock.html [ nytimes.com ] dear all creators : no , it does not make any fucking sense that your grandchildren should profit from a story you wrote , a song you sang , a movie you directed , whateverit simply does NOT make sense .
it is an intellectually and philosophically corrupt conceptintelletual property law only deserves to be disrespected , fought , and subverted .
intellectual property law is a parasitical drain on our culture .
intellectual property law must be destroyed .
it is not of any benefit to anyone except certain entrenched well-connected , well-lawyered interests</tokentext>
<sentencetext>His adventures in books, plays, television shows and movies continue to pay dividends for the heirs of his creator, Arthur Conan Doyle.
Holmes's latest appearance on film, directed by Guy Ritchie, has sold more than $311 million in tickets worldwide, and on Sunday won a Golden Globe award for its star, Robert Downey Jr.At his age, Holmes would logically seem to have entered the public domain.
But not only is the character still under copyright in the United States, for nearly 80 years he has also been caught in a web of ownership issues so tangled that Professor Moriarty wouldn't have wished them upon him.http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/19/books/19sherlock.html [nytimes.com]dear all creators:no, it does not make any fucking sense that your grandchildren should profit from a story you wrote, a song you sang, a movie you directed, whateverit simply does NOT make sense.
it is an intellectually and philosophically corrupt conceptintelletual property law only deserves to be disrespected, fought, and subverted.
intellectual property law is a parasitical drain on our culture.
intellectual property law must be destroyed.
it is not of any benefit to anyone except certain entrenched well-connected, well-lawyered interests
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30827688</id>
	<title>Re:Make eBooks Cheaper!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263915360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They could even "sell" you a DRM'ed book for $2.50 and after you read it, you could "return" it for a $1.00 store credit if returned within 6 months, $0.50 after that if returned within 12 months of the original purchase. The store credit means you are coming back for more. It would also be nice if you could legally un-DRM it for a reasonable price, say a year after the first publication date, so you can easily take it from one reader to the other yourself.</p><p>Popular titles at the library have a waiting list and are usually 7-day loan; the $1.50 (effectively) gives you the book right now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They could even " sell " you a DRM'ed book for $ 2.50 and after you read it , you could " return " it for a $ 1.00 store credit if returned within 6 months , $ 0.50 after that if returned within 12 months of the original purchase .
The store credit means you are coming back for more .
It would also be nice if you could legally un-DRM it for a reasonable price , say a year after the first publication date , so you can easily take it from one reader to the other yourself.Popular titles at the library have a waiting list and are usually 7-day loan ; the $ 1.50 ( effectively ) gives you the book right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They could even "sell" you a DRM'ed book for $2.50 and after you read it, you could "return" it for a $1.00 store credit if returned within 6 months, $0.50 after that if returned within 12 months of the original purchase.
The store credit means you are coming back for more.
It would also be nice if you could legally un-DRM it for a reasonable price, say a year after the first publication date, so you can easily take it from one reader to the other yourself.Popular titles at the library have a waiting list and are usually 7-day loan; the $1.50 (effectively) gives you the book right now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822586</id>
	<title>Re:As a mathematician</title>
	<author>skine</author>
	<datestamp>1263930540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Plato divided math into two distinct areas: "arithmetic" and "logistic" (now number theory and arithmetic, resp.)</p><p>The former being appropriate for philosophers and the latter being for businessmen and generals.</p><p>In logistic/arithmetic, all that the person cares about is putting numbers into the "black box", and getting a number out.</p><p>In arithmetic/number theory, the concern is what happens inside the box, and what happens to the box if you take away certain parts, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Plato divided math into two distinct areas : " arithmetic " and " logistic " ( now number theory and arithmetic , resp .
) The former being appropriate for philosophers and the latter being for businessmen and generals.In logistic/arithmetic , all that the person cares about is putting numbers into the " black box " , and getting a number out.In arithmetic/number theory , the concern is what happens inside the box , and what happens to the box if you take away certain parts , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plato divided math into two distinct areas: "arithmetic" and "logistic" (now number theory and arithmetic, resp.
)The former being appropriate for philosophers and the latter being for businessmen and generals.In logistic/arithmetic, all that the person cares about is putting numbers into the "black box", and getting a number out.In arithmetic/number theory, the concern is what happens inside the box, and what happens to the box if you take away certain parts, etc.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30827922</id>
	<title>Re:only surprise is what took so long?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263917880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Books have been 'liberated' and circulating in the BBS scene since the 80s. This was just plain old data entry work (i.e. typing it in). I'll admit this was very limited as "dox" were mostly aimed at software manuals (including ones with hundreds of pages) to complement your pirated version of the software, but you'd see the occasional book. The problem was that you had to sit at your computer to read it (or print it out, which was slow -even in draft- and expensive).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Books have been 'liberated ' and circulating in the BBS scene since the 80s .
This was just plain old data entry work ( i.e .
typing it in ) .
I 'll admit this was very limited as " dox " were mostly aimed at software manuals ( including ones with hundreds of pages ) to complement your pirated version of the software , but you 'd see the occasional book .
The problem was that you had to sit at your computer to read it ( or print it out , which was slow -even in draft- and expensive ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Books have been 'liberated' and circulating in the BBS scene since the 80s.
This was just plain old data entry work (i.e.
typing it in).
I'll admit this was very limited as "dox" were mostly aimed at software manuals (including ones with hundreds of pages) to complement your pirated version of the software, but you'd see the occasional book.
The problem was that you had to sit at your computer to read it (or print it out, which was slow -even in draft- and expensive).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30829682</id>
	<title>Re:As a mathematician</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263983340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So it wasn't a credit crunch - just autumn</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So it was n't a credit crunch - just autumn</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So it wasn't a credit crunch - just autumn</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822534</id>
	<title>You think this is a joke?</title>
	<author>phliar</author>
	<datestamp>1263930360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here's Pat Schroeder, then the incoming president of the Association of American Publishers, in the Washington Post of Feb 7, 2001. She was interviewed at the meeting of the AAP, hence the "brie-eating mortgage holders".<blockquote><div><p>"We," says Schroeder, "have a very serious issue with librarians.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...
Technology people never gave their stuff away, but now folks are saying, 'You mean the New England Journal of Medicine is charging people?'<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Markets are limited. One library buys one of their journals," she explains, pointing to the Brie eaters. "They give it to other libraries. They'll give it to others."
If everyone gets a free copy, she says, the publisher and the writer and others involved in making the book go unpaid. "These people aren't rich," she says of those in the room. "They have mortgages."</p></div>
</blockquote><p>

These are the people arguing against making publicly funded research publicly available.

Here's the full article: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A36584-2001Feb7" title="washingtonpost.com">Pat Schroeder's New Chapter</a> [washingtonpost.com].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's Pat Schroeder , then the incoming president of the Association of American Publishers , in the Washington Post of Feb 7 , 2001 .
She was interviewed at the meeting of the AAP , hence the " brie-eating mortgage holders " .
" We , " says Schroeder , " have a very serious issue with librarians .
.. . Technology people never gave their stuff away , but now folks are saying , 'You mean the New England Journal of Medicine is charging people ?
' ... Markets are limited .
One library buys one of their journals , " she explains , pointing to the Brie eaters .
" They give it to other libraries .
They 'll give it to others .
" If everyone gets a free copy , she says , the publisher and the writer and others involved in making the book go unpaid .
" These people are n't rich , " she says of those in the room .
" They have mortgages .
" These are the people arguing against making publicly funded research publicly available .
Here 's the full article : Pat Schroeder 's New Chapter [ washingtonpost.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's Pat Schroeder, then the incoming president of the Association of American Publishers, in the Washington Post of Feb 7, 2001.
She was interviewed at the meeting of the AAP, hence the "brie-eating mortgage holders".
"We," says Schroeder, "have a very serious issue with librarians.
...
Technology people never gave their stuff away, but now folks are saying, 'You mean the New England Journal of Medicine is charging people?
' ... Markets are limited.
One library buys one of their journals," she explains, pointing to the Brie eaters.
"They give it to other libraries.
They'll give it to others.
"
If everyone gets a free copy, she says, the publisher and the writer and others involved in making the book go unpaid.
"These people aren't rich," she says of those in the room.
"They have mortgages.
"


These are the people arguing against making publicly funded research publicly available.
Here's the full article: Pat Schroeder's New Chapter [washingtonpost.com].
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	<title>Re:this is what is wrong:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263894900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>dear all creators:</p><p>no, it does not make any fucking sense that your grandchildren should profit from a story you wrote, a song you sang, a movie you directed, whatever</p><p>it simply does NOT make sense. it is an intellectually and philosophically corrupt concept</p><p>intelletual property law only deserves to be disrespected, fought, and subverted. intellectual property law is a parasitical drain on our culture. intellectual property law must be destroyed. it is not of any benefit to anyone except certain entrenched well-connected, well-lawyered interests</p></div><p>Indeed it doesn't.</p><p>Now, about that inheritance tax....</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>dear all creators : no , it does not make any fucking sense that your grandchildren should profit from a story you wrote , a song you sang , a movie you directed , whateverit simply does NOT make sense .
it is an intellectually and philosophically corrupt conceptintelletual property law only deserves to be disrespected , fought , and subverted .
intellectual property law is a parasitical drain on our culture .
intellectual property law must be destroyed .
it is not of any benefit to anyone except certain entrenched well-connected , well-lawyered interestsIndeed it does n't.Now , about that inheritance tax... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dear all creators:no, it does not make any fucking sense that your grandchildren should profit from a story you wrote, a song you sang, a movie you directed, whateverit simply does NOT make sense.
it is an intellectually and philosophically corrupt conceptintelletual property law only deserves to be disrespected, fought, and subverted.
intellectual property law is a parasitical drain on our culture.
intellectual property law must be destroyed.
it is not of any benefit to anyone except certain entrenched well-connected, well-lawyered interestsIndeed it doesn't.Now, about that inheritance tax....
	</sentencetext>
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	<title>Sad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263929100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is pretty pathetic, they want to shut down libraries now? Libraries have existed for hundreds of years, this is one of the most rediculous things i've ever heard from the publishing industry, yes let's kill libraries, make poor families pay for books that may be their only chance to escape their harsh world or to learn things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is pretty pathetic , they want to shut down libraries now ?
Libraries have existed for hundreds of years , this is one of the most rediculous things i 've ever heard from the publishing industry , yes let 's kill libraries , make poor families pay for books that may be their only chance to escape their harsh world or to learn things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is pretty pathetic, they want to shut down libraries now?
Libraries have existed for hundreds of years, this is one of the most rediculous things i've ever heard from the publishing industry, yes let's kill libraries, make poor families pay for books that may be their only chance to escape their harsh world or to learn things.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823548</id>
	<title>Re:And they keep secrets!</title>
	<author>bziman</author>
	<datestamp>1263934260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, most libraries refuse to even KEEP those kinds of records, so that they are simply UNABLE to comply with that sort of subpoena.  The library knows what you have on hold, and what you currently have checked out, but they do not keep your histories.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , most libraries refuse to even KEEP those kinds of records , so that they are simply UNABLE to comply with that sort of subpoena .
The library knows what you have on hold , and what you currently have checked out , but they do not keep your histories .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, most libraries refuse to even KEEP those kinds of records, so that they are simply UNABLE to comply with that sort of subpoena.
The library knows what you have on hold, and what you currently have checked out, but they do not keep your histories.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822258</id>
	<title>Re:And the PORN!!!</title>
	<author>NotBornYesterday</author>
	<datestamp>1263929520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>"National Geographic":
<br> <br>
National - its initial distribution was throughout the US, (since Europe already had way better porn), hence it was "National".
<br> <br>
Geographic - Only slightly cryptic.  "Graphic" is right there in the word - I don't know how much plainer they could have made it.  They are telling you that if you buy their smut, you will have the most graphic scenes you can imagine of African villagers gathering crops and herding cattle while wearing grass skirts and codpieces.  The origin of "Geo" is more mysterious.  However, given that NatGeo was initially formed at the Cosmos Club, a private club then located on Lafayette Square in Washington, D.C., it seems obvious that it is a nod to George Washington, who certainly would have approved.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" National Geographic " : National - its initial distribution was throughout the US , ( since Europe already had way better porn ) , hence it was " National " .
Geographic - Only slightly cryptic .
" Graphic " is right there in the word - I do n't know how much plainer they could have made it .
They are telling you that if you buy their smut , you will have the most graphic scenes you can imagine of African villagers gathering crops and herding cattle while wearing grass skirts and codpieces .
The origin of " Geo " is more mysterious .
However , given that NatGeo was initially formed at the Cosmos Club , a private club then located on Lafayette Square in Washington , D.C. , it seems obvious that it is a nod to George Washington , who certainly would have approved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"National Geographic":
 
National - its initial distribution was throughout the US, (since Europe already had way better porn), hence it was "National".
Geographic - Only slightly cryptic.
"Graphic" is right there in the word - I don't know how much plainer they could have made it.
They are telling you that if you buy their smut, you will have the most graphic scenes you can imagine of African villagers gathering crops and herding cattle while wearing grass skirts and codpieces.
The origin of "Geo" is more mysterious.
However, given that NatGeo was initially formed at the Cosmos Club, a private club then located on Lafayette Square in Washington, D.C., it seems obvious that it is a nod to George Washington, who certainly would have approved.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823232</id>
	<title>Re:I've been saying this for years!</title>
	<author>commodoresloat</author>
	<datestamp>1263932940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>RIAA copyright abuse is just as bad as brutality, war, and genocide! M. Godwin, spokesman, Slashdot.org</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>RIAA copyright abuse is just as bad as brutality , war , and genocide !
M. Godwin , spokesman , Slashdot.org</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RIAA copyright abuse is just as bad as brutality, war, and genocide!
M. Godwin, spokesman, Slashdot.org</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822524</id>
	<title>Re:In other news...</title>
	<author>jameskojiro</author>
	<datestamp>1263930360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You would need to put everyone in a suit filled with inert gas like Argon and then charge them for both the noble gas and the o2.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You would need to put everyone in a suit filled with inert gas like Argon and then charge them for both the noble gas and the o2 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You would need to put everyone in a suit filled with inert gas like Argon and then charge them for both the noble gas and the o2.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823372</id>
	<title>Re:As a mathematician</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1263933600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The best part about your currency plan is that we can create a lot of jobs dealing with preventing the inflation problem from getting out of hand, by hiring people to burn down all the forests. Everybody wins! My spreadsheet here suggests that we can hire eleventy million people to do this very critical work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best part about your currency plan is that we can create a lot of jobs dealing with preventing the inflation problem from getting out of hand , by hiring people to burn down all the forests .
Everybody wins !
My spreadsheet here suggests that we can hire eleventy million people to do this very critical work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best part about your currency plan is that we can create a lot of jobs dealing with preventing the inflation problem from getting out of hand, by hiring people to burn down all the forests.
Everybody wins!
My spreadsheet here suggests that we can hire eleventy million people to do this very critical work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822150</id>
	<title>Re:In other news...</title>
	<author>thechemic</author>
	<datestamp>1263929280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>LOL. Love it.  We'll all be in trouble when they figure out how to blanket the world and then charge you to reveal portions of the sun to paying populations.</htmltext>
<tokenext>LOL .
Love it .
We 'll all be in trouble when they figure out how to blanket the world and then charge you to reveal portions of the sun to paying populations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LOL.
Love it.
We'll all be in trouble when they figure out how to blanket the world and then charge you to reveal portions of the sun to paying populations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822178</id>
	<title>But what if they weren't there?</title>
	<author>Nexus7</author>
	<datestamp>1263929340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People can borrow books without violating laws. This is what libraries facilitate. Without a way to read books without paying for every one of them, people would either not read as many books, or make a bazillion copies as a matter of course, rendering copyrights useless.</p><p>So libraries are not taking away profits (aside from imaginary money that will never be realized). In fact, they facilitate the money that the publishers make now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People can borrow books without violating laws .
This is what libraries facilitate .
Without a way to read books without paying for every one of them , people would either not read as many books , or make a bazillion copies as a matter of course , rendering copyrights useless.So libraries are not taking away profits ( aside from imaginary money that will never be realized ) .
In fact , they facilitate the money that the publishers make now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People can borrow books without violating laws.
This is what libraries facilitate.
Without a way to read books without paying for every one of them, people would either not read as many books, or make a bazillion copies as a matter of course, rendering copyrights useless.So libraries are not taking away profits (aside from imaginary money that will never be realized).
In fact, they facilitate the money that the publishers make now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823416</id>
	<title>Re:this is what is wrong:</title>
	<author>careysub</author>
	<datestamp>1263933720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...</p><p>The argument for letting children profit is easy; some people work so their children and granchildren can benefit, and not themselves.  How true that argument is, and how far in the future that profit should extend, are open to debate, but it's not a completely stupid argument.</p></div><p>And there are various mechanisms by which someone who worked for the benefit of their children, not themselves, can leave most of the wealth they accrue during their lives to those descendants. The money can be invested and continue providing for those descendants forever (this is called a "foundation") without any limit.</p><p>What has this go to with the abuse of the provision in the U.S. Constitution that seeks: "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries" ?</p><p>Copyright is, in U.S. law, a benefit extended to an actual creator for a limited time (i.e. their lifetime or less, originally 14 years) in order to encourage their creative activities for the benefit of the public.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...The argument for letting children profit is easy ; some people work so their children and granchildren can benefit , and not themselves .
How true that argument is , and how far in the future that profit should extend , are open to debate , but it 's not a completely stupid argument.And there are various mechanisms by which someone who worked for the benefit of their children , not themselves , can leave most of the wealth they accrue during their lives to those descendants .
The money can be invested and continue providing for those descendants forever ( this is called a " foundation " ) without any limit.What has this go to with the abuse of the provision in the U.S. Constitution that seeks : " To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts , by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries " ? Copyright is , in U.S. law , a benefit extended to an actual creator for a limited time ( i.e .
their lifetime or less , originally 14 years ) in order to encourage their creative activities for the benefit of the public .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...The argument for letting children profit is easy; some people work so their children and granchildren can benefit, and not themselves.
How true that argument is, and how far in the future that profit should extend, are open to debate, but it's not a completely stupid argument.And there are various mechanisms by which someone who worked for the benefit of their children, not themselves, can leave most of the wealth they accrue during their lives to those descendants.
The money can be invested and continue providing for those descendants forever (this is called a "foundation") without any limit.What has this go to with the abuse of the provision in the U.S. Constitution that seeks: "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries" ?Copyright is, in U.S. law, a benefit extended to an actual creator for a limited time (i.e.
their lifetime or less, originally 14 years) in order to encourage their creative activities for the benefit of the public.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822558</id>
	<title>The First Book Is Free.</title>
	<author>TheWizardTim</author>
	<datestamp>1263930420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I was growing up, my family did not have a lot of money. Almost all the books I read were borrowed from a library. As I got older, my mom and dad moved in to better jobs, and some of my books were purchased. By the time I was in high school and college, the only time I went to the library was to do research for school papers.</p><p>Now that I make good money, I never to go the library. I buy all my books (from independent book stores if I can).</p><p>Like any good drug dealer they need to keep the first "hit" free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was growing up , my family did not have a lot of money .
Almost all the books I read were borrowed from a library .
As I got older , my mom and dad moved in to better jobs , and some of my books were purchased .
By the time I was in high school and college , the only time I went to the library was to do research for school papers.Now that I make good money , I never to go the library .
I buy all my books ( from independent book stores if I can ) .Like any good drug dealer they need to keep the first " hit " free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was growing up, my family did not have a lot of money.
Almost all the books I read were borrowed from a library.
As I got older, my mom and dad moved in to better jobs, and some of my books were purchased.
By the time I was in high school and college, the only time I went to the library was to do research for school papers.Now that I make good money, I never to go the library.
I buy all my books (from independent book stores if I can).Like any good drug dealer they need to keep the first "hit" free.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822364</id>
	<title>A modest proposal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263929880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Background: In the "war on piracy", the xxAA organizations attack people who share files.  Or at least those who do their file sharing online and can be identified.  Many believe that encryption and other anonymization technology will be the next step, making the transfers harder to trace.</p><p>But there are other alternatives.</p><p>I was at the library recently, perusing their collection of CD and DVD media.  And then it occurred to me... The library accepts donations.  What happens if I donate EVERYTHING I HAVE?  Not that I'm suggesting anyone do this, but how hard would it be to keep a backup copy of everything before donating it?   Instead of sharing files online, what if I share them with fellow library patrons?  What if everyone else does it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Background : In the " war on piracy " , the xxAA organizations attack people who share files .
Or at least those who do their file sharing online and can be identified .
Many believe that encryption and other anonymization technology will be the next step , making the transfers harder to trace.But there are other alternatives.I was at the library recently , perusing their collection of CD and DVD media .
And then it occurred to me... The library accepts donations .
What happens if I donate EVERYTHING I HAVE ?
Not that I 'm suggesting anyone do this , but how hard would it be to keep a backup copy of everything before donating it ?
Instead of sharing files online , what if I share them with fellow library patrons ?
What if everyone else does it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Background: In the "war on piracy", the xxAA organizations attack people who share files.
Or at least those who do their file sharing online and can be identified.
Many believe that encryption and other anonymization technology will be the next step, making the transfers harder to trace.But there are other alternatives.I was at the library recently, perusing their collection of CD and DVD media.
And then it occurred to me... The library accepts donations.
What happens if I donate EVERYTHING I HAVE?
Not that I'm suggesting anyone do this, but how hard would it be to keep a backup copy of everything before donating it?
Instead of sharing files online, what if I share them with fellow library patrons?
What if everyone else does it?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822118</id>
	<title>Re:In other news...</title>
	<author>MiniMike</author>
	<datestamp>1263929100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm starting an oxygen supply company- I wonder if there's anything I can do about this 'atmosphere' that people are currently getting their oxygen from?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm starting an oxygen supply company- I wonder if there 's anything I can do about this 'atmosphere ' that people are currently getting their oxygen from ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm starting an oxygen supply company- I wonder if there's anything I can do about this 'atmosphere' that people are currently getting their oxygen from?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30825970</id>
	<title>silent reading is a 20th century habit</title>
	<author>peter303</author>
	<datestamp>1263902100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Until a century or two ago, books were mostly recited out loud. If in a group of people recitation may have been for entertainment. Or if alone or in a church you barely vocalized it. In that era authors designed their books to be read out loud.  Their prose may have sounded more majestic or poetic than now.  I fact I find it hard to read a poem silently and get it.
<br> <br>
Besides the quiet, silent reading enables speed reading.  If you volcalize, you slow down to a few hundred words a minute at best.  A speed reader can reach 500, 1000 or more.
<br> <br>
Many languages have two words for the act of reading.  The older word has the connotation of reading out loud, kind of like English "recite".  The newer word means silent reading.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Until a century or two ago , books were mostly recited out loud .
If in a group of people recitation may have been for entertainment .
Or if alone or in a church you barely vocalized it .
In that era authors designed their books to be read out loud .
Their prose may have sounded more majestic or poetic than now .
I fact I find it hard to read a poem silently and get it .
Besides the quiet , silent reading enables speed reading .
If you volcalize , you slow down to a few hundred words a minute at best .
A speed reader can reach 500 , 1000 or more .
Many languages have two words for the act of reading .
The older word has the connotation of reading out loud , kind of like English " recite " .
The newer word means silent reading .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until a century or two ago, books were mostly recited out loud.
If in a group of people recitation may have been for entertainment.
Or if alone or in a church you barely vocalized it.
In that era authors designed their books to be read out loud.
Their prose may have sounded more majestic or poetic than now.
I fact I find it hard to read a poem silently and get it.
Besides the quiet, silent reading enables speed reading.
If you volcalize, you slow down to a few hundred words a minute at best.
A speed reader can reach 500, 1000 or more.
Many languages have two words for the act of reading.
The older word has the connotation of reading out loud, kind of like English "recite".
The newer word means silent reading.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823662</id>
	<title>Re:As a mathematician</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263891660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know you haven't considered the possibility of rampant deforestation resulting from massive inflation, but I at least take comfort in the fact that we're not going to suffer extinction due to viruses spreading on unsanitary telephone receivers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know you have n't considered the possibility of rampant deforestation resulting from massive inflation , but I at least take comfort in the fact that we 're not going to suffer extinction due to viruses spreading on unsanitary telephone receivers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know you haven't considered the possibility of rampant deforestation resulting from massive inflation, but I at least take comfort in the fact that we're not going to suffer extinction due to viruses spreading on unsanitary telephone receivers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822402</id>
	<title>Digital Library</title>
	<author>organgtool</author>
	<datestamp>1263930060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Several years ago (before the likes of Rhapsody and other services), I considered writing an application that would allow you to share your music library by allowing anyone using that software to search for songs and stream that file so long as no one else was streaming that same song.  Essentially you were just borrowing the song the same way you would borrow a CD from a library.  In order for this software to be considered legal, I would have had to implement DRM and I did not trust my software engineering skills enough at that time, so I just let the idea pass, but it was interesting because I'm sure the members of the RRIA would have hated it, yet legally it would be analogous to a public library.  I wonder if there will be digital versions of public libraries for books in the future.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Several years ago ( before the likes of Rhapsody and other services ) , I considered writing an application that would allow you to share your music library by allowing anyone using that software to search for songs and stream that file so long as no one else was streaming that same song .
Essentially you were just borrowing the song the same way you would borrow a CD from a library .
In order for this software to be considered legal , I would have had to implement DRM and I did not trust my software engineering skills enough at that time , so I just let the idea pass , but it was interesting because I 'm sure the members of the RRIA would have hated it , yet legally it would be analogous to a public library .
I wonder if there will be digital versions of public libraries for books in the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Several years ago (before the likes of Rhapsody and other services), I considered writing an application that would allow you to share your music library by allowing anyone using that software to search for songs and stream that file so long as no one else was streaming that same song.
Essentially you were just borrowing the song the same way you would borrow a CD from a library.
In order for this software to be considered legal, I would have had to implement DRM and I did not trust my software engineering skills enough at that time, so I just let the idea pass, but it was interesting because I'm sure the members of the RRIA would have hated it, yet legally it would be analogous to a public library.
I wonder if there will be digital versions of public libraries for books in the future.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30827234</id>
	<title>Re:Libraries? Forget 'em, they're already gone.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263910860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll buy the ebook as soon as they are cheaper than my average fine for turning the book in late at the library<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll buy the ebook as soon as they are cheaper than my average fine for turning the book in late at the library .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll buy the ebook as soon as they are cheaper than my average fine for turning the book in late at the library ...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822266</id>
	<title>Re:I've been saying this for years!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263929520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No no, Mr. Hitler, you've got it all wrong. Libraries are meant to drown the average American in mindless dribble - it has worked very well. And, believe me, it's far better to have everyone focused on censoring porn and IP rights then to have the masses notice they don't actually have anything to read that is of real value. This is the information age, where there's 50,000 channels and nothing on - and there's a reason for that. So, please remember to wake up and watch your morning celebrity/disaster news and be numbed to the bone to work for someone else while the banks and corporations figure out some way to extract money from you.</p><p>Mr. Hilter, would you be interested in our excellent my neural-feedback enhanced marketing package (mental behavior reinforcement of commercialized buying tendencies) that utilizes the latest in fMRI and psychology research to make your customers buy your fabulous products? (I mean, why would anyone need all your fabulous products or ever wish to pollute their future with your toxic waste in a shine package? Better make sure they have to buy it with our demographically and neurally targeted commercial marketing tests!)</p><p>P.s. propaganda is so 1940s &amp; 1980s, today we have brain imaging technology and decades of research into behavior shaping that allows us to dominate social and cultural objections to calm the masses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No no , Mr. Hitler , you 've got it all wrong .
Libraries are meant to drown the average American in mindless dribble - it has worked very well .
And , believe me , it 's far better to have everyone focused on censoring porn and IP rights then to have the masses notice they do n't actually have anything to read that is of real value .
This is the information age , where there 's 50,000 channels and nothing on - and there 's a reason for that .
So , please remember to wake up and watch your morning celebrity/disaster news and be numbed to the bone to work for someone else while the banks and corporations figure out some way to extract money from you.Mr .
Hilter , would you be interested in our excellent my neural-feedback enhanced marketing package ( mental behavior reinforcement of commercialized buying tendencies ) that utilizes the latest in fMRI and psychology research to make your customers buy your fabulous products ?
( I mean , why would anyone need all your fabulous products or ever wish to pollute their future with your toxic waste in a shine package ?
Better make sure they have to buy it with our demographically and neurally targeted commercial marketing tests ! ) P.s .
propaganda is so 1940s &amp; 1980s , today we have brain imaging technology and decades of research into behavior shaping that allows us to dominate social and cultural objections to calm the masses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No no, Mr. Hitler, you've got it all wrong.
Libraries are meant to drown the average American in mindless dribble - it has worked very well.
And, believe me, it's far better to have everyone focused on censoring porn and IP rights then to have the masses notice they don't actually have anything to read that is of real value.
This is the information age, where there's 50,000 channels and nothing on - and there's a reason for that.
So, please remember to wake up and watch your morning celebrity/disaster news and be numbed to the bone to work for someone else while the banks and corporations figure out some way to extract money from you.Mr.
Hilter, would you be interested in our excellent my neural-feedback enhanced marketing package (mental behavior reinforcement of commercialized buying tendencies) that utilizes the latest in fMRI and psychology research to make your customers buy your fabulous products?
(I mean, why would anyone need all your fabulous products or ever wish to pollute their future with your toxic waste in a shine package?
Better make sure they have to buy it with our demographically and neurally targeted commercial marketing tests!)P.s.
propaganda is so 1940s &amp; 1980s, today we have brain imaging technology and decades of research into behavior shaping that allows us to dominate social and cultural objections to calm the masses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30821862</id>
	<title>I've been saying this for years!</title>
	<author>bbbaldie</author>
	<datestamp>1263928200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Libraries are nothing but effete businesses designed to rip off the publishing industry and fill innocent victims' minds with confusing, dangerous propaganda!

A. Hitler, spokesman, RIAA</htmltext>
<tokenext>Libraries are nothing but effete businesses designed to rip off the publishing industry and fill innocent victims ' minds with confusing , dangerous propaganda !
A. Hitler , spokesman , RIAA</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Libraries are nothing but effete businesses designed to rip off the publishing industry and fill innocent victims' minds with confusing, dangerous propaganda!
A. Hitler, spokesman, RIAA</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30828648</id>
	<title>Re:this is what is wrong:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263924960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cool, can you plese post your home address, I'll be moving into your house 50 years after you bought it, then I'll call it a "penguin classic" and sell it, keeping the money for myself.</p><p>Also what car do you drive?  Can you look after it? I want it to be in good condition when it passes into the public domain as I am sure I'll be able to get good money when I take it and charge prople for rides in it.</p><p>In case you hadn't noticed I disagree entirely.  IMHO IP rights are PROPERTY rights and should never expire.  If I create something, it is mine, and should be mine forever until I give it away, sell it, ot die intestate.</p><p>Stop making stupid arguments simply because you want stuff for free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cool , can you plese post your home address , I 'll be moving into your house 50 years after you bought it , then I 'll call it a " penguin classic " and sell it , keeping the money for myself.Also what car do you drive ?
Can you look after it ?
I want it to be in good condition when it passes into the public domain as I am sure I 'll be able to get good money when I take it and charge prople for rides in it.In case you had n't noticed I disagree entirely .
IMHO IP rights are PROPERTY rights and should never expire .
If I create something , it is mine , and should be mine forever until I give it away , sell it , ot die intestate.Stop making stupid arguments simply because you want stuff for free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cool, can you plese post your home address, I'll be moving into your house 50 years after you bought it, then I'll call it a "penguin classic" and sell it, keeping the money for myself.Also what car do you drive?
Can you look after it?
I want it to be in good condition when it passes into the public domain as I am sure I'll be able to get good money when I take it and charge prople for rides in it.In case you hadn't noticed I disagree entirely.
IMHO IP rights are PROPERTY rights and should never expire.
If I create something, it is mine, and should be mine forever until I give it away, sell it, ot die intestate.Stop making stupid arguments simply because you want stuff for free.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30832178</id>
	<title>Re:You just made a fool of yourself</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264004220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or he's a textbook author!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or he 's a textbook author !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or he's a textbook author!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823908</id>
	<title>Laugh while you can</title>
	<author>pablodiazgutierrez</author>
	<datestamp>1263892740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Europe, libraries are mandated to pay a per-loan fee to authors' lobbies such as CEDRO (books) or SGAE (music) in Spain. In practice, the users don't notice it because it's the governments that pay, but it's there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Europe , libraries are mandated to pay a per-loan fee to authors ' lobbies such as CEDRO ( books ) or SGAE ( music ) in Spain .
In practice , the users do n't notice it because it 's the governments that pay , but it 's there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Europe, libraries are mandated to pay a per-loan fee to authors' lobbies such as CEDRO (books) or SGAE (music) in Spain.
In practice, the users don't notice it because it's the governments that pay, but it's there.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822350</id>
	<title>Fundamental difference</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263929820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a bad analogy, as there is a fundamental difference between ebook piracy and library lending...<br>A library has a single copy of a book and it can be borrowed by only one individual at any given time.  Pirating an ebook results in new copies of the same material.<br>Seriously, is it so difficult to understand the difference between copying and lending/borrowing?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a bad analogy , as there is a fundamental difference between ebook piracy and library lending...A library has a single copy of a book and it can be borrowed by only one individual at any given time .
Pirating an ebook results in new copies of the same material.Seriously , is it so difficult to understand the difference between copying and lending/borrowing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a bad analogy, as there is a fundamental difference between ebook piracy and library lending...A library has a single copy of a book and it can be borrowed by only one individual at any given time.
Pirating an ebook results in new copies of the same material.Seriously, is it so difficult to understand the difference between copying and lending/borrowing?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30825772</id>
	<title>Re:oh, when will the 'socialism' end??</title>
	<author>Nwallins</author>
	<datestamp>1263901200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think most objections to socialism refer to socialism-by-coercion, not 'voluntary' socialism.  Only when sharing is mandatory and enforced (i.e. coerced) does it become objectionable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think most objections to socialism refer to socialism-by-coercion , not 'voluntary ' socialism .
Only when sharing is mandatory and enforced ( i.e .
coerced ) does it become objectionable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think most objections to socialism refer to socialism-by-coercion, not 'voluntary' socialism.
Only when sharing is mandatory and enforced (i.e.
coerced) does it become objectionable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822328</id>
	<title>Re:Make eBooks Cheaper!</title>
	<author>Z1NG</author>
	<datestamp>1263929760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Indeed.  At such a price or even twice as much, I would be buying far less books second-hand.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
At such a price or even twice as much , I would be buying far less books second-hand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
At such a price or even twice as much, I would be buying far less books second-hand.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30826098</id>
	<title>Re:oh, when will the 'socialism' end??</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263902820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem with socialism is that it ignores the fundamental truth that the free market is the only intelligent way to run an economy.  This has been proven for hundreds of years and in paper after paper after paper.  Go read any Ayn Rand novel (buy it, don't steal from her by "borrowing" it from a fucking library) and you will see what kind of a world to expect if the spectre of socialism is allowed to run amok in our country.  So really unless you want to end up like communist russia, you should be rioting at the gate when the government talks about socializing anything!  Libraries may have had a purpose hundreds of years ago before the rise of the free market economy, but these days they are just another drag on the efficiency of our economy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with socialism is that it ignores the fundamental truth that the free market is the only intelligent way to run an economy .
This has been proven for hundreds of years and in paper after paper after paper .
Go read any Ayn Rand novel ( buy it , do n't steal from her by " borrowing " it from a fucking library ) and you will see what kind of a world to expect if the spectre of socialism is allowed to run amok in our country .
So really unless you want to end up like communist russia , you should be rioting at the gate when the government talks about socializing anything !
Libraries may have had a purpose hundreds of years ago before the rise of the free market economy , but these days they are just another drag on the efficiency of our economy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with socialism is that it ignores the fundamental truth that the free market is the only intelligent way to run an economy.
This has been proven for hundreds of years and in paper after paper after paper.
Go read any Ayn Rand novel (buy it, don't steal from her by "borrowing" it from a fucking library) and you will see what kind of a world to expect if the spectre of socialism is allowed to run amok in our country.
So really unless you want to end up like communist russia, you should be rioting at the gate when the government talks about socializing anything!
Libraries may have had a purpose hundreds of years ago before the rise of the free market economy, but these days they are just another drag on the efficiency of our economy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30824884</id>
	<title>Re:As a mathematician</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1263897540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I care about the box and its feelings. Suppose it wanted letters or pretty pictures instead of numbers? I think I'll draw some daisies, rainbows, and singing birdies on my next 1040.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I care about the box and its feelings .
Suppose it wanted letters or pretty pictures instead of numbers ?
I think I 'll draw some daisies , rainbows , and singing birdies on my next 1040 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I care about the box and its feelings.
Suppose it wanted letters or pretty pictures instead of numbers?
I think I'll draw some daisies, rainbows, and singing birdies on my next 1040.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823580</id>
	<title>Er</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1263934440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Geez, don't tell anyone that my friends and I borrow each other's video games and DVDs.</p><p>(looks around suspiciously)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Geez , do n't tell anyone that my friends and I borrow each other 's video games and DVDs .
( looks around suspiciously )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Geez, don't tell anyone that my friends and I borrow each other's video games and DVDs.
(looks around suspiciously)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30827072</id>
	<title>Re:In other news...</title>
	<author>elashish14</author>
	<datestamp>1263909360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Sunlight costs lightbulb makers nearly 100 bazillion dollars!</p></div><p>Simpsons did it</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sunlight costs lightbulb makers nearly 100 bazillion dollars ! Simpsons did it</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sunlight costs lightbulb makers nearly 100 bazillion dollars!Simpsons did it
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30821884</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822304</id>
	<title>Re:As a mathematician</title>
	<author>jc42</author>
	<datestamp>1263929640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I am irked by the phrase "advanced projective mathematics." This to me is a red flag warning me of some business school BS coming up.</i></p><p>I suspect that this was part of the satire.  (But I could be wrong.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am irked by the phrase " advanced projective mathematics .
" This to me is a red flag warning me of some business school BS coming up.I suspect that this was part of the satire .
( But I could be wrong .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am irked by the phrase "advanced projective mathematics.
" This to me is a red flag warning me of some business school BS coming up.I suspect that this was part of the satire.
(But I could be wrong.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823608</id>
	<title>Re:In other news...</title>
	<author>PGOER</author>
	<datestamp>1263934620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, my CO2 supply company is really tanking with this global warming thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , my CO2 supply company is really tanking with this global warming thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, my CO2 supply company is really tanking with this global warming thing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822118</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30821958</id>
	<title>Coming clean</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263928560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been loaning books to friends for years.  I am posting anonymously to avoid the repercussions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been loaning books to friends for years .
I am posting anonymously to avoid the repercussions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been loaning books to friends for years.
I am posting anonymously to avoid the repercussions.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30821984</id>
	<title>And then</title>
	<author>Dunbal</author>
	<datestamp>1263928620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They tore down the libraries. Because lending books is <i>evil</i>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They tore down the libraries .
Because lending books is evil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They tore down the libraries.
Because lending books is evil.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822610</id>
	<title>What Was And Is No More</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263930660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>there is an ominous silence pervading these ersatz sanctuaries, enforced by the stern demeanor of staff and the glares of other patrons.</p></div><p>Cut the crap grandpa, it's obvious you ain't been in a library since one of the wheels fell off your walker a decade ago. Libraries now are a cacophonous din emergent from the cross talk between cell phones, online chatter and wailing of ankle bitters jettisoned by their mothers into a free for all day care centre. Librarians caved years ago and carry on loud conversations with all and sundry. I live 3 blocks from Vancouver's main library, I time my foray, plan my entry and exit strategies, and run it like a half back with the game on the line and time running out.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>there is an ominous silence pervading these ersatz sanctuaries , enforced by the stern demeanor of staff and the glares of other patrons.Cut the crap grandpa , it 's obvious you ai n't been in a library since one of the wheels fell off your walker a decade ago .
Libraries now are a cacophonous din emergent from the cross talk between cell phones , online chatter and wailing of ankle bitters jettisoned by their mothers into a free for all day care centre .
Librarians caved years ago and carry on loud conversations with all and sundry .
I live 3 blocks from Vancouver 's main library , I time my foray , plan my entry and exit strategies , and run it like a half back with the game on the line and time running out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there is an ominous silence pervading these ersatz sanctuaries, enforced by the stern demeanor of staff and the glares of other patrons.Cut the crap grandpa, it's obvious you ain't been in a library since one of the wheels fell off your walker a decade ago.
Libraries now are a cacophonous din emergent from the cross talk between cell phones, online chatter and wailing of ankle bitters jettisoned by their mothers into a free for all day care centre.
Librarians caved years ago and carry on loud conversations with all and sundry.
I live 3 blocks from Vancouver's main library, I time my foray, plan my entry and exit strategies, and run it like a half back with the game on the line and time running out.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30821960</id>
	<title>As a mathematician</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263928560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am irked by the phrase "advanced projective mathematics." This to me is a red flag warning me of some business school BS coming up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am irked by the phrase " advanced projective mathematics .
" This to me is a red flag warning me of some business school BS coming up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am irked by the phrase "advanced projective mathematics.
" This to me is a red flag warning me of some business school BS coming up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822116</id>
	<title>Re:In other news...</title>
	<author>MrEricSir</author>
	<datestamp>1263929100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't forget about the power companies.  Of course, Mr. Burns has a solution for all of this...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't forget about the power companies .
Of course , Mr. Burns has a solution for all of this.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't forget about the power companies.
Of course, Mr. Burns has a solution for all of this...</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30838060</id>
	<title>Yes, You Can!</title>
	<author>LandGator</author>
	<datestamp>1263983820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Baen Books at  webscription.net sells a five-pack or six-pack of e-books for $15 every month.
They also have over six dozen free e-books, contemporary, in print, at baen.com/library .
Furthermore, they sell *without* DRM, in multiple formats, and if you change devices later, you can download your purchases in your new preferred format.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Baen Books at webscription.net sells a five-pack or six-pack of e-books for $ 15 every month .
They also have over six dozen free e-books , contemporary , in print , at baen.com/library .
Furthermore , they sell * without * DRM , in multiple formats , and if you change devices later , you can download your purchases in your new preferred format .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Baen Books at  webscription.net sells a five-pack or six-pack of e-books for $15 every month.
They also have over six dozen free e-books, contemporary, in print, at baen.com/library .
Furthermore, they sell *without* DRM, in multiple formats, and if you change devices later, you can download your purchases in your new preferred format.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30821974</id>
	<title>will Apple be the "game changer"?</title>
	<author>peter303</author>
	<datestamp>1263928560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apple convinced people to pay for some of their music and cellphone apps with low prices and convenience.  I am hoping for a "three-peat" later this year in the ebook world.  $10-$15 ebooks are still too pricey.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple convinced people to pay for some of their music and cellphone apps with low prices and convenience .
I am hoping for a " three-peat " later this year in the ebook world .
$ 10- $ 15 ebooks are still too pricey .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple convinced people to pay for some of their music and cellphone apps with low prices and convenience.
I am hoping for a "three-peat" later this year in the ebook world.
$10-$15 ebooks are still too pricey.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30821884</id>
	<title>In other news...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263928260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sunlight costs lightbulb makers nearly 100 bazillion dollars!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sunlight costs lightbulb makers nearly 100 bazillion dollars !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sunlight costs lightbulb makers nearly 100 bazillion dollars!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822862</id>
	<title>Re:In other news...</title>
	<author>unixfan</author>
	<datestamp>1263931440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly!</p><p>The amazing amounts of "losses" that some theorists figures out are hilarious. Completely baseless and a waste of time and only riles someone up for what they think they have now lost.</p><p>Rather than getting people excited about, for example, books and reading. They scare people off from it. Take the SCO suit. It's not like they did not know that they have no valid claim in the first place. But I'm sure they lost a lot of business with that nonsense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly ! The amazing amounts of " losses " that some theorists figures out are hilarious .
Completely baseless and a waste of time and only riles someone up for what they think they have now lost.Rather than getting people excited about , for example , books and reading .
They scare people off from it .
Take the SCO suit .
It 's not like they did not know that they have no valid claim in the first place .
But I 'm sure they lost a lot of business with that nonsense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly!The amazing amounts of "losses" that some theorists figures out are hilarious.
Completely baseless and a waste of time and only riles someone up for what they think they have now lost.Rather than getting people excited about, for example, books and reading.
They scare people off from it.
Take the SCO suit.
It's not like they did not know that they have no valid claim in the first place.
But I'm sure they lost a lot of business with that nonsense.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30824382</id>
	<title>Re:In other news...</title>
	<author>turbidostato</author>
	<datestamp>1263895020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I'm starting an oxygen supply company- I wonder if there's anything I can do about this 'atmosphere' that people are currently getting their oxygen from?"</p><p>It really depends.  If you are an entrepeneur then you are doomed: there's no bussiness in something people can get easier and cheaper by other means.</p><p>*BUT*</p><p>If you happen to already be a tycoon, then it's easy: you just buy some congressmen so they pass a bill (within a 5000 pages law about homosexual muslim child molesters/terrorists) to forbid "consumption, trading and/or accumulation of unregulated O2" and to assert to you a 200K year monopoly on its deliverance "for the good health of the USA citizens".  Then you buy some more congressmen so breaking the law is a heavy criminal offense punished with life prision -which, of course, means they'll go to a jail that buys to you its O2 supplies.</p><p>Easy, isn't it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I 'm starting an oxygen supply company- I wonder if there 's anything I can do about this 'atmosphere ' that people are currently getting their oxygen from ?
" It really depends .
If you are an entrepeneur then you are doomed : there 's no bussiness in something people can get easier and cheaper by other means .
* BUT * If you happen to already be a tycoon , then it 's easy : you just buy some congressmen so they pass a bill ( within a 5000 pages law about homosexual muslim child molesters/terrorists ) to forbid " consumption , trading and/or accumulation of unregulated O2 " and to assert to you a 200K year monopoly on its deliverance " for the good health of the USA citizens " .
Then you buy some more congressmen so breaking the law is a heavy criminal offense punished with life prision -which , of course , means they 'll go to a jail that buys to you its O2 supplies.Easy , is n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I'm starting an oxygen supply company- I wonder if there's anything I can do about this 'atmosphere' that people are currently getting their oxygen from?
"It really depends.
If you are an entrepeneur then you are doomed: there's no bussiness in something people can get easier and cheaper by other means.
*BUT*If you happen to already be a tycoon, then it's easy: you just buy some congressmen so they pass a bill (within a 5000 pages law about homosexual muslim child molesters/terrorists) to forbid "consumption, trading and/or accumulation of unregulated O2" and to assert to you a 200K year monopoly on its deliverance "for the good health of the USA citizens".
Then you buy some more congressmen so breaking the law is a heavy criminal offense punished with life prision -which, of course, means they'll go to a jail that buys to you its O2 supplies.Easy, isn't it?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822740</id>
	<title>Re:In other news...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263931080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>use mexico city strategy</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>use mexico city strategy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>use mexico city strategy</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822008</id>
	<title>Make eBooks Cheaper!</title>
	<author>omnichad</author>
	<datestamp>1263928740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I could "own" (even with DRM) a book for $2.50, I would never bother making a trip to a library.  Even at lower prices, publishers could increase their profits substantially by bypassing the libraries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I could " own " ( even with DRM ) a book for $ 2.50 , I would never bother making a trip to a library .
Even at lower prices , publishers could increase their profits substantially by bypassing the libraries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I could "own" (even with DRM) a book for $2.50, I would never bother making a trip to a library.
Even at lower prices, publishers could increase their profits substantially by bypassing the libraries.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30827516</id>
	<title>Nothing new here...</title>
	<author>Kazoo the Clown</author>
	<datestamp>1263913500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is not particularly a new phenomenon.   Something like 30 years ago I recall discovering a place in the middle of Burbank in an industrial warehouse that billed itself as a "library" for phonograph records.  I was able to go there, ask about a particularly obscure record, and obtain a cassette dup of it for about $5.
They wouldn't let anyone's hands on the actual source disk, they ONLY provided tape dups.  They had a huge selection of stuff that would otherwise be really hard to find (this was way before eBay).   It appeared that they did this service for the "entertainment" industry who needed ready access, so I suspect that the powers-that-be turned a blind-eye to it.   Perhaps you were supposed to erase the tape after listening to it, though I don't think anything was said about it.  I don't remember how I found out about it, possibly via a friend of mine who worked for Motown studios, or another friend who was an assistant film editor.   I went once to get a tape of a very obscure disk I wanted to hear and never got around to going back again--  I lived in LA at the time, but the weren't very conveniently located or I might have spent more time there...</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not particularly a new phenomenon .
Something like 30 years ago I recall discovering a place in the middle of Burbank in an industrial warehouse that billed itself as a " library " for phonograph records .
I was able to go there , ask about a particularly obscure record , and obtain a cassette dup of it for about $ 5 .
They would n't let anyone 's hands on the actual source disk , they ONLY provided tape dups .
They had a huge selection of stuff that would otherwise be really hard to find ( this was way before eBay ) .
It appeared that they did this service for the " entertainment " industry who needed ready access , so I suspect that the powers-that-be turned a blind-eye to it .
Perhaps you were supposed to erase the tape after listening to it , though I do n't think anything was said about it .
I do n't remember how I found out about it , possibly via a friend of mine who worked for Motown studios , or another friend who was an assistant film editor .
I went once to get a tape of a very obscure disk I wanted to hear and never got around to going back again-- I lived in LA at the time , but the were n't very conveniently located or I might have spent more time there.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not particularly a new phenomenon.
Something like 30 years ago I recall discovering a place in the middle of Burbank in an industrial warehouse that billed itself as a "library" for phonograph records.
I was able to go there, ask about a particularly obscure record, and obtain a cassette dup of it for about $5.
They wouldn't let anyone's hands on the actual source disk, they ONLY provided tape dups.
They had a huge selection of stuff that would otherwise be really hard to find (this was way before eBay).
It appeared that they did this service for the "entertainment" industry who needed ready access, so I suspect that the powers-that-be turned a blind-eye to it.
Perhaps you were supposed to erase the tape after listening to it, though I don't think anything was said about it.
I don't remember how I found out about it, possibly via a friend of mine who worked for Motown studios, or another friend who was an assistant film editor.
I went once to get a tape of a very obscure disk I wanted to hear and never got around to going back again--  I lived in LA at the time, but the weren't very conveniently located or I might have spent more time there...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30823876</id>
	<title>BS loaded!</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1263892620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just like the music and movie industry, now the book industry is embarking on the same path, to come up with absurd numbers when crunching to see how much they have lost. However, I can tell you from first hand experience, being a software developer and having 1 book title cost as much as 80$ per book, depending on the press or size of the book....I never, EVER,EVER...would spend that much on a book!!!</p><p>If I look at the many ebooks I have acquired over the years, and look at my library of real books, I can tell you, there was a time I would a book or 2...but never the amount of ebooks that I have. Also, needing some references is cool, although I can just as easily<br>scan the internet and see a lot of code examples for the stuff I need, so did I really need that book I bought, not really.</p><p>Anyways, they never factor in the fact that of the many books pilfered , there is almost only 20 to 25 \% of that whole number, where the person still would have bought the book....where as the rest could do without, and never would pay for an overpriced book. This is the reality that they never to stop and consider.</p><p>There is a reason why places like iTunes make money, no one wants to pay 22$ for a cd....are you nuts...especially if the artist only has 1 good song on there...so go to iTunes and get that song...do they say that places like iTunes cost the industry a lot of potential money they could consider as a loss....?</p><p>Would be nice to see Virgin or Geffen take Apple to court over lost revenue...i mean, isn't that like stealing , by making it possible for someone to bypass the desired paying model, and still get what he wants at a lower price then the company is willing to give out themselves?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just like the music and movie industry , now the book industry is embarking on the same path , to come up with absurd numbers when crunching to see how much they have lost .
However , I can tell you from first hand experience , being a software developer and having 1 book title cost as much as 80 $ per book , depending on the press or size of the book....I never , EVER,EVER...would spend that much on a book ! !
! If I look at the many ebooks I have acquired over the years , and look at my library of real books , I can tell you , there was a time I would a book or 2...but never the amount of ebooks that I have .
Also , needing some references is cool , although I can just as easilyscan the internet and see a lot of code examples for the stuff I need , so did I really need that book I bought , not really.Anyways , they never factor in the fact that of the many books pilfered , there is almost only 20 to 25 \ % of that whole number , where the person still would have bought the book....where as the rest could do without , and never would pay for an overpriced book .
This is the reality that they never to stop and consider.There is a reason why places like iTunes make money , no one wants to pay 22 $ for a cd....are you nuts...especially if the artist only has 1 good song on there...so go to iTunes and get that song...do they say that places like iTunes cost the industry a lot of potential money they could consider as a loss.... ? Would be nice to see Virgin or Geffen take Apple to court over lost revenue...i mean , is n't that like stealing , by making it possible for someone to bypass the desired paying model , and still get what he wants at a lower price then the company is willing to give out themselves ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just like the music and movie industry, now the book industry is embarking on the same path, to come up with absurd numbers when crunching to see how much they have lost.
However, I can tell you from first hand experience, being a software developer and having 1 book title cost as much as 80$ per book, depending on the press or size of the book....I never, EVER,EVER...would spend that much on a book!!
!If I look at the many ebooks I have acquired over the years, and look at my library of real books, I can tell you, there was a time I would a book or 2...but never the amount of ebooks that I have.
Also, needing some references is cool, although I can just as easilyscan the internet and see a lot of code examples for the stuff I need, so did I really need that book I bought, not really.Anyways, they never factor in the fact that of the many books pilfered , there is almost only 20 to 25 \% of that whole number, where the person still would have bought the book....where as the rest could do without, and never would pay for an overpriced book.
This is the reality that they never to stop and consider.There is a reason why places like iTunes make money, no one wants to pay 22$ for a cd....are you nuts...especially if the artist only has 1 good song on there...so go to iTunes and get that song...do they say that places like iTunes cost the industry a lot of potential money they could consider as a loss....?Would be nice to see Virgin or Geffen take Apple to court over lost revenue...i mean, isn't that like stealing , by making it possible for someone to bypass the desired paying model, and still get what he wants at a lower price then the company is willing to give out themselves?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30822240</id>
	<title>Re:As a mathematician</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263929460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I am irked by the phrase "advanced projective mathematics." This to me is a red flag warning me of some business school BS coming up.</p></div><p>Pff- you elitist ivory tower eggheads and your fancy-schmancy degrees think you know everything!  If you had any sort of street-smarts, you'd realize that there's a <i>reason</i> people with MBAs run the world!</p><p>Now if you'll excuse me, I'm late for my MBA meeting - we've decided to solve the financial crisis by making the leaf the standard unit of currency - everybody will be rich beyond their wildest dreams!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am irked by the phrase " advanced projective mathematics .
" This to me is a red flag warning me of some business school BS coming up.Pff- you elitist ivory tower eggheads and your fancy-schmancy degrees think you know everything !
If you had any sort of street-smarts , you 'd realize that there 's a reason people with MBAs run the world ! Now if you 'll excuse me , I 'm late for my MBA meeting - we 've decided to solve the financial crisis by making the leaf the standard unit of currency - everybody will be rich beyond their wildest dreams !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am irked by the phrase "advanced projective mathematics.
" This to me is a red flag warning me of some business school BS coming up.Pff- you elitist ivory tower eggheads and your fancy-schmancy degrees think you know everything!
If you had any sort of street-smarts, you'd realize that there's a reason people with MBAs run the world!Now if you'll excuse me, I'm late for my MBA meeting - we've decided to solve the financial crisis by making the leaf the standard unit of currency - everybody will be rich beyond their wildest dreams!
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_19_1649244.30830416</id>
	<title>Re:oh, when will the 'socialism' end??</title>
	<author>Nazlfrag</author>
	<datestamp>1263991920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, aren't libraries allowed to stock any book, in that publishers are coerced by law into allowing their work to be loaned?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , are n't libraries allowed to stock any book , in that publishers are coerced by law into allowing their work to be loaned ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, aren't libraries allowed to stock any book, in that publishers are coerced by law into allowing their work to be loaned?</sentencetext>
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