<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_15_1958200</id>
	<title>How To Get a Job At a Mega-Corp</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1263548580000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Barence writes <i>"'With the economic hangover starting to wear off, the technology giants are once again recruiting in earnest. Apple, Google, and Microsoft all have vacancies on their websites, and now could be the perfect time to <a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/354853/how-to-get-a-job-at-google-apple-or-microsoft">land a job at one of computing's biggest hitters</a>.' PC Pro talked to people inside Microsoft, Apple, and Google to discover how to track down the best jobs, and what it takes to get through the arduous selection and interview processes."</i>  With lots of experience both within and without, what other words of wisdom can be offered to those wishing to break into a mega-corp?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Barence writes " 'With the economic hangover starting to wear off , the technology giants are once again recruiting in earnest .
Apple , Google , and Microsoft all have vacancies on their websites , and now could be the perfect time to land a job at one of computing 's biggest hitters .
' PC Pro talked to people inside Microsoft , Apple , and Google to discover how to track down the best jobs , and what it takes to get through the arduous selection and interview processes .
" With lots of experience both within and without , what other words of wisdom can be offered to those wishing to break into a mega-corp ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Barence writes "'With the economic hangover starting to wear off, the technology giants are once again recruiting in earnest.
Apple, Google, and Microsoft all have vacancies on their websites, and now could be the perfect time to land a job at one of computing's biggest hitters.
' PC Pro talked to people inside Microsoft, Apple, and Google to discover how to track down the best jobs, and what it takes to get through the arduous selection and interview processes.
"  With lots of experience both within and without, what other words of wisdom can be offered to those wishing to break into a mega-corp?</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785928</id>
	<title>Re:Nobody has thought of it</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1263560460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I <strong>only</strong> hire applicants that wear a bikini,<br>I only talk about movies during the interview,<br>I do not require any CV,<br>I don&rsquo;t care what they think the job includes,<br>and I always have a spot for one more,<br>you insensitive clod!</p><p>Yours,<br>Ron Jeremy</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I only hire applicants that wear a bikini,I only talk about movies during the interview,I do not require any CV,I don    t care what they think the job includes,and I always have a spot for one more,you insensitive clod ! Yours,Ron Jeremy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I only hire applicants that wear a bikini,I only talk about movies during the interview,I do not require any CV,I don’t care what they think the job includes,and I always have a spot for one more,you insensitive clod!Yours,Ron Jeremy</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784598</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784700</id>
	<title>Small is better</title>
	<author>PhantomHarlock</author>
	<datestamp>1263553500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In my own personal experience, I've found that the smaller the company, the more enjoyable it is to work for.    Every time a friend starts complaining about their large company employer, images from Office Space start to pop into my head.   The most frequent occurrence is the "Do you know I have five different bosses?" thing.   For real.   And all I can do is snicker.</p><p>As with every rule, there are of course exceptions.  Some people thrive in a very rigid, stratified environment, and can handily deal with the bureaucracy.   To them, the extra money and benefits are worth it.  I have not found this to be the case personally.   To each his own.</p><p>I work for a very small company, and if I wasn't working for them I would be freelance again.   Freelancing is probably the most enjoyable thing you can do as long as you have good business acumen.   It is not for everyone.</p><p>I cannot personally imagine applying at a large company on purpose, unless I was desperate or the job position was exceptionally interesting and included a large degree of freedom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In my own personal experience , I 've found that the smaller the company , the more enjoyable it is to work for .
Every time a friend starts complaining about their large company employer , images from Office Space start to pop into my head .
The most frequent occurrence is the " Do you know I have five different bosses ?
" thing .
For real .
And all I can do is snicker.As with every rule , there are of course exceptions .
Some people thrive in a very rigid , stratified environment , and can handily deal with the bureaucracy .
To them , the extra money and benefits are worth it .
I have not found this to be the case personally .
To each his own.I work for a very small company , and if I was n't working for them I would be freelance again .
Freelancing is probably the most enjoyable thing you can do as long as you have good business acumen .
It is not for everyone.I can not personally imagine applying at a large company on purpose , unless I was desperate or the job position was exceptionally interesting and included a large degree of freedom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my own personal experience, I've found that the smaller the company, the more enjoyable it is to work for.
Every time a friend starts complaining about their large company employer, images from Office Space start to pop into my head.
The most frequent occurrence is the "Do you know I have five different bosses?
" thing.
For real.
And all I can do is snicker.As with every rule, there are of course exceptions.
Some people thrive in a very rigid, stratified environment, and can handily deal with the bureaucracy.
To them, the extra money and benefits are worth it.
I have not found this to be the case personally.
To each his own.I work for a very small company, and if I wasn't working for them I would be freelance again.
Freelancing is probably the most enjoyable thing you can do as long as you have good business acumen.
It is not for everyone.I cannot personally imagine applying at a large company on purpose, unless I was desperate or the job position was exceptionally interesting and included a large degree of freedom.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784664</id>
	<title>Those positions have always been there.</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1263553320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uhm, the three companies you mentioned have had job offers up the entire time of this 'economic hangover' has existed.</p><p>You get in the same way people have ALWAYS got in.  A friend on the inside or dumb luck.</p><p>The friend on the inside helps you bypass retarded HR people, otherwise you have to rely on dumb luck to get past that particular part of the process.  After that, you just need to actually have a clue and fill their needs for them.</p><p>I've never had to deal with retarded HR in my career, luckily.  Every job I can think of having, I got because I knew someone that worked there.  In fact, thinking of all the people I know closely, I don't know of anyone right now (with the exception of a google employee friend, which I don't think knew anyone before hand) who got their job without knowing anyone at the place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uhm , the three companies you mentioned have had job offers up the entire time of this 'economic hangover ' has existed.You get in the same way people have ALWAYS got in .
A friend on the inside or dumb luck.The friend on the inside helps you bypass retarded HR people , otherwise you have to rely on dumb luck to get past that particular part of the process .
After that , you just need to actually have a clue and fill their needs for them.I 've never had to deal with retarded HR in my career , luckily .
Every job I can think of having , I got because I knew someone that worked there .
In fact , thinking of all the people I know closely , I do n't know of anyone right now ( with the exception of a google employee friend , which I do n't think knew anyone before hand ) who got their job without knowing anyone at the place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uhm, the three companies you mentioned have had job offers up the entire time of this 'economic hangover' has existed.You get in the same way people have ALWAYS got in.
A friend on the inside or dumb luck.The friend on the inside helps you bypass retarded HR people, otherwise you have to rely on dumb luck to get past that particular part of the process.
After that, you just need to actually have a clue and fill their needs for them.I've never had to deal with retarded HR in my career, luckily.
Every job I can think of having, I got because I knew someone that worked there.
In fact, thinking of all the people I know closely, I don't know of anyone right now (with the exception of a google employee friend, which I don't think knew anyone before hand) who got their job without knowing anyone at the place.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785050</id>
	<title>Re:Nobody has thought of it</title>
	<author>AttillaTheNun</author>
	<datestamp>1263555360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some friendly advice to my competition. You need to stay current with acceptable business attire and trends regarding how to set yourself apart from the throngs of job interviewees.
<p>
This insider information is my gift to you. Use it with care.
</p><p>
<a href="http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/" title="peopleofwalmart.com">http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/</a> [peopleofwalmart.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some friendly advice to my competition .
You need to stay current with acceptable business attire and trends regarding how to set yourself apart from the throngs of job interviewees .
This insider information is my gift to you .
Use it with care .
http : //www.peopleofwalmart.com/ [ peopleofwalmart.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some friendly advice to my competition.
You need to stay current with acceptable business attire and trends regarding how to set yourself apart from the throngs of job interviewees.
This insider information is my gift to you.
Use it with care.
http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/ [peopleofwalmart.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784598</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784696</id>
	<title>Re:Nobody has thought of it</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1263553500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The first page says... to get a job, you need to find a vacancy.wow!</p><p>The second page says... to get a job, you need to pay attention to the job description.damn! this is awesome!</p></div><p>To be fair, this isn't the only option. You can also be good enough to get noticed. And while many people assume that you must be a super-star in another mega-corp for that (which certainly helps, yes), it's not the only option by far. So long as you do something well, and - this is important - your work is somehow highlighted, so that recruiters can find it online - they will find it.</p><p>Speaking from personal experience, an invitation from the employer to send your resume for a vacancy they have (which you didn't even know about) can follow such seemingly pointless things as posting good solutions to problems on technical forums/newsgroups (and these days, I guess, StackOverflow).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The first page says... to get a job , you need to find a vacancy.wow ! The second page says... to get a job , you need to pay attention to the job description.damn !
this is awesome ! To be fair , this is n't the only option .
You can also be good enough to get noticed .
And while many people assume that you must be a super-star in another mega-corp for that ( which certainly helps , yes ) , it 's not the only option by far .
So long as you do something well , and - this is important - your work is somehow highlighted , so that recruiters can find it online - they will find it.Speaking from personal experience , an invitation from the employer to send your resume for a vacancy they have ( which you did n't even know about ) can follow such seemingly pointless things as posting good solutions to problems on technical forums/newsgroups ( and these days , I guess , StackOverflow ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first page says... to get a job, you need to find a vacancy.wow!The second page says... to get a job, you need to pay attention to the job description.damn!
this is awesome!To be fair, this isn't the only option.
You can also be good enough to get noticed.
And while many people assume that you must be a super-star in another mega-corp for that (which certainly helps, yes), it's not the only option by far.
So long as you do something well, and - this is important - your work is somehow highlighted, so that recruiters can find it online - they will find it.Speaking from personal experience, an invitation from the employer to send your resume for a vacancy they have (which you didn't even know about) can follow such seemingly pointless things as posting good solutions to problems on technical forums/newsgroups (and these days, I guess, StackOverflow).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784598</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784618</id>
	<title>Why would you want to?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263553080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>With lots of experience both within and without, what other words of wisdom can be offered to those wishing to break into a mega-corp?</i> </p><p>You'd better be young, idealistic, without a family, and willing to trade your life for your job.  Some large trendy corporations might not be like that (yet) but the vast majority of corporate america is a slave labor camp.  My advice is to stick up for yourself and don't let anyone take advantage of you, because they will if you allow it.  Overtime is for emergencies, not business as usual.  And emergencies had better not be business as usual.  If you think working 50 or 60 hours a week and foregoing vacation is normal or "necessary in today's world" stop it.  Just stop it.  Life is not all about working.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With lots of experience both within and without , what other words of wisdom can be offered to those wishing to break into a mega-corp ?
You 'd better be young , idealistic , without a family , and willing to trade your life for your job .
Some large trendy corporations might not be like that ( yet ) but the vast majority of corporate america is a slave labor camp .
My advice is to stick up for yourself and do n't let anyone take advantage of you , because they will if you allow it .
Overtime is for emergencies , not business as usual .
And emergencies had better not be business as usual .
If you think working 50 or 60 hours a week and foregoing vacation is normal or " necessary in today 's world " stop it .
Just stop it .
Life is not all about working .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With lots of experience both within and without, what other words of wisdom can be offered to those wishing to break into a mega-corp?
You'd better be young, idealistic, without a family, and willing to trade your life for your job.
Some large trendy corporations might not be like that (yet) but the vast majority of corporate america is a slave labor camp.
My advice is to stick up for yourself and don't let anyone take advantage of you, because they will if you allow it.
Overtime is for emergencies, not business as usual.
And emergencies had better not be business as usual.
If you think working 50 or 60 hours a week and foregoing vacation is normal or "necessary in today's world" stop it.
Just stop it.
Life is not all about working.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785918</id>
	<title>Re:First, be a foreigner</title>
	<author>clampolo</author>
	<datestamp>1263560400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>California state government has to be one of the most lucrative jobs there is.  Retirement in your 50's and you get <b>90\%</b> of your salary averaged over your 3 highest paid years!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>California state government has to be one of the most lucrative jobs there is .
Retirement in your 50 's and you get 90 \ % of your salary averaged over your 3 highest paid years ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>California state government has to be one of the most lucrative jobs there is.
Retirement in your 50's and you get 90\% of your salary averaged over your 3 highest paid years!!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784774</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784818</id>
	<title>Wear a suit.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263554160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wear a suit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wear a suit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wear a suit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784776</id>
	<title>How? The better question is WHY?</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1263553920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would anyone WANT a job at a megacorp? Ok, job security might be a perk, but hey, have you ever had a hard time getting a job if you're good?</p><p>I had my share at huge international corps and every single time it was a gig that I could not stomach for more than half a year. It beats being "between jobs", but that's about it. Are you a geek? If so, then why the heck would you want to deal with bureaucracy getting in the way of everything? How could you stomach following "procedures" that are deemed correct no matter if you're programming software or refilling toilet paper. One size fits all. And it was great 20 years ago so it just has to be good now!</p><p>How can you stomach living under the thumb of a quarter report filling over-his-own-network-cable-stumbling idiot calling himself manager? He will be the one making the decisions for your work and you will be expected to do it, despite knowing that what you do is just plainly wrong, but it has to be done that way because marketing and legal decided it's the way to go. For reference, see cramming IE so deeply into Windows that it can't be separated, in case someone yells antitrust.</p><p>How can you stomach being the n-th coder from the right and being measured by some metric that simply does not measure how much meaningful work you really do? How can you stomach being busy gaming that system to appear very productive instead of doing meaningful work because everyone does just that and the ones who really work are getting lectured because they don't fulfill the "plan"?</p><p>How can you stomach meeting after meeting after meeting where everything that gets accomplished is wasting time because nobody will actually address the problem because it might end up in the meeting protocol and the real progress is made during the coffee breaks when people finally dare to voice their real opinion? If that.</p><p>Why the heck would you want to put up with all that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would anyone WANT a job at a megacorp ?
Ok , job security might be a perk , but hey , have you ever had a hard time getting a job if you 're good ? I had my share at huge international corps and every single time it was a gig that I could not stomach for more than half a year .
It beats being " between jobs " , but that 's about it .
Are you a geek ?
If so , then why the heck would you want to deal with bureaucracy getting in the way of everything ?
How could you stomach following " procedures " that are deemed correct no matter if you 're programming software or refilling toilet paper .
One size fits all .
And it was great 20 years ago so it just has to be good now ! How can you stomach living under the thumb of a quarter report filling over-his-own-network-cable-stumbling idiot calling himself manager ?
He will be the one making the decisions for your work and you will be expected to do it , despite knowing that what you do is just plainly wrong , but it has to be done that way because marketing and legal decided it 's the way to go .
For reference , see cramming IE so deeply into Windows that it ca n't be separated , in case someone yells antitrust.How can you stomach being the n-th coder from the right and being measured by some metric that simply does not measure how much meaningful work you really do ?
How can you stomach being busy gaming that system to appear very productive instead of doing meaningful work because everyone does just that and the ones who really work are getting lectured because they do n't fulfill the " plan " ? How can you stomach meeting after meeting after meeting where everything that gets accomplished is wasting time because nobody will actually address the problem because it might end up in the meeting protocol and the real progress is made during the coffee breaks when people finally dare to voice their real opinion ?
If that.Why the heck would you want to put up with all that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would anyone WANT a job at a megacorp?
Ok, job security might be a perk, but hey, have you ever had a hard time getting a job if you're good?I had my share at huge international corps and every single time it was a gig that I could not stomach for more than half a year.
It beats being "between jobs", but that's about it.
Are you a geek?
If so, then why the heck would you want to deal with bureaucracy getting in the way of everything?
How could you stomach following "procedures" that are deemed correct no matter if you're programming software or refilling toilet paper.
One size fits all.
And it was great 20 years ago so it just has to be good now!How can you stomach living under the thumb of a quarter report filling over-his-own-network-cable-stumbling idiot calling himself manager?
He will be the one making the decisions for your work and you will be expected to do it, despite knowing that what you do is just plainly wrong, but it has to be done that way because marketing and legal decided it's the way to go.
For reference, see cramming IE so deeply into Windows that it can't be separated, in case someone yells antitrust.How can you stomach being the n-th coder from the right and being measured by some metric that simply does not measure how much meaningful work you really do?
How can you stomach being busy gaming that system to appear very productive instead of doing meaningful work because everyone does just that and the ones who really work are getting lectured because they don't fulfill the "plan"?How can you stomach meeting after meeting after meeting where everything that gets accomplished is wasting time because nobody will actually address the problem because it might end up in the meeting protocol and the real progress is made during the coffee breaks when people finally dare to voice their real opinion?
If that.Why the heck would you want to put up with all that?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784916</id>
	<title>Re:First, be a foreigner</title>
	<author>Nadaka</author>
	<datestamp>1263554580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Depends... Are you a member of a union where the union controls the labor market for your skillset? If the answer is yes, then there is the possibility of getting a pension if the company doesn't go bankrupt and you end up with a fist full of worthless shares of stock as compensation instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends... Are you a member of a union where the union controls the labor market for your skillset ?
If the answer is yes , then there is the possibility of getting a pension if the company does n't go bankrupt and you end up with a fist full of worthless shares of stock as compensation instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends... Are you a member of a union where the union controls the labor market for your skillset?
If the answer is yes, then there is the possibility of getting a pension if the company doesn't go bankrupt and you end up with a fist full of worthless shares of stock as compensation instead.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784774</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785662</id>
	<title>Re:Why would you want to?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263558720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've worked for Microsoft for almost 10 years, both in Redmond and in Fargo, ND.</p><p>I've probably worked fewer than 10 50 hour weeks in my entire career here.  I can think of one big disaster where I was at work 40 hours straight, and I slept on my office floor for a few hours here and there as RAIDs were rebuilding.  But that sticks in my mind as a singular event, not a way of life.</p><p>I've told my last few bosses exactly where I stand: I plan on having more employers than wives, and I prioritize my time appropriately.</p><p>I got an eyeful, when, as a fresh-out-of-college hire at Microsoft, I watched my skip-level manager with a zillion dollars after a 15 year Microsoft career lose way more than some of his money going through a messy divorce because his wife was, basically, lonely.</p><p>Microsoft does not require consistent 50 hour weeks.  If you are someone who can do top-quality productive work 60 hours a week, you'll certainly be rewarded for it, and I think that's a good thing.</p><p>I'm not saying that there aren't people who feel they have to work too many hours, and I'm not saying there are no groups or managers that lean on people for more work and are abusive about work/life balance.  But it certainly isn't pervasive across the company, and employees can get out of those arrangements if they really need to.</p><p>It's really an employee-driven thing.  If you feel like you need to work too much, that expectation may be coming from nobody other than you.  Talk it over with your manager and move to a different group if there is an expectation mis-match.  Every year employees take an anonymous survey where they rate all kinds of 1 through 5 questions about their boss, bosses boss, work life balance, and people do actally look at that stuff and try to act on it.</p><p>On the MS Fargo campus, the parking lot is pretty empty by 6pm.  Earlier on Fridays in the summer.  Most of us have families.</p><p>The vacation and maternity/paternity policies are also fine.  I have trouble using all my vacation in a year so I roll foward anything that isn't going to be lost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've worked for Microsoft for almost 10 years , both in Redmond and in Fargo , ND.I 've probably worked fewer than 10 50 hour weeks in my entire career here .
I can think of one big disaster where I was at work 40 hours straight , and I slept on my office floor for a few hours here and there as RAIDs were rebuilding .
But that sticks in my mind as a singular event , not a way of life.I 've told my last few bosses exactly where I stand : I plan on having more employers than wives , and I prioritize my time appropriately.I got an eyeful , when , as a fresh-out-of-college hire at Microsoft , I watched my skip-level manager with a zillion dollars after a 15 year Microsoft career lose way more than some of his money going through a messy divorce because his wife was , basically , lonely.Microsoft does not require consistent 50 hour weeks .
If you are someone who can do top-quality productive work 60 hours a week , you 'll certainly be rewarded for it , and I think that 's a good thing.I 'm not saying that there are n't people who feel they have to work too many hours , and I 'm not saying there are no groups or managers that lean on people for more work and are abusive about work/life balance .
But it certainly is n't pervasive across the company , and employees can get out of those arrangements if they really need to.It 's really an employee-driven thing .
If you feel like you need to work too much , that expectation may be coming from nobody other than you .
Talk it over with your manager and move to a different group if there is an expectation mis-match .
Every year employees take an anonymous survey where they rate all kinds of 1 through 5 questions about their boss , bosses boss , work life balance , and people do actally look at that stuff and try to act on it.On the MS Fargo campus , the parking lot is pretty empty by 6pm .
Earlier on Fridays in the summer .
Most of us have families.The vacation and maternity/paternity policies are also fine .
I have trouble using all my vacation in a year so I roll foward anything that is n't going to be lost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've worked for Microsoft for almost 10 years, both in Redmond and in Fargo, ND.I've probably worked fewer than 10 50 hour weeks in my entire career here.
I can think of one big disaster where I was at work 40 hours straight, and I slept on my office floor for a few hours here and there as RAIDs were rebuilding.
But that sticks in my mind as a singular event, not a way of life.I've told my last few bosses exactly where I stand: I plan on having more employers than wives, and I prioritize my time appropriately.I got an eyeful, when, as a fresh-out-of-college hire at Microsoft, I watched my skip-level manager with a zillion dollars after a 15 year Microsoft career lose way more than some of his money going through a messy divorce because his wife was, basically, lonely.Microsoft does not require consistent 50 hour weeks.
If you are someone who can do top-quality productive work 60 hours a week, you'll certainly be rewarded for it, and I think that's a good thing.I'm not saying that there aren't people who feel they have to work too many hours, and I'm not saying there are no groups or managers that lean on people for more work and are abusive about work/life balance.
But it certainly isn't pervasive across the company, and employees can get out of those arrangements if they really need to.It's really an employee-driven thing.
If you feel like you need to work too much, that expectation may be coming from nobody other than you.
Talk it over with your manager and move to a different group if there is an expectation mis-match.
Every year employees take an anonymous survey where they rate all kinds of 1 through 5 questions about their boss, bosses boss, work life balance, and people do actally look at that stuff and try to act on it.On the MS Fargo campus, the parking lot is pretty empty by 6pm.
Earlier on Fridays in the summer.
Most of us have families.The vacation and maternity/paternity policies are also fine.
I have trouble using all my vacation in a year so I roll foward anything that isn't going to be lost.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784618</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784752</id>
	<title>Re:anyone noticed the snide arrogance?</title>
	<author>francium de neobie</author>
	<datestamp>1263553800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, this can actually be a tactic on the interviewer's side to make the megacorp look like it's highly desirable.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)
<br> <br>
Of course... not many people can actually execute it right.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , this can actually be a tactic on the interviewer 's side to make the megacorp look like it 's highly desirable .
: ) Of course... not many people can actually execute it right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, this can actually be a tactic on the interviewer's side to make the megacorp look like it's highly desirable.
:)
 
Of course... not many people can actually execute it right.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784498</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30794204</id>
	<title>Re:Small is better</title>
	<author>robi5</author>
	<datestamp>1263644100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you have five different bosses, you have none. You are the boss.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have five different bosses , you have none .
You are the boss .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have five different bosses, you have none.
You are the boss.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784700</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785048</id>
	<title>Just got out of an interview with HP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263555360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A friend of mine recently interviewed at HP.  I talked with him about it.</p><p>He said that they are starting to hire again, that they told him they needed to get their head count up because they really had not been hiring in the past 6 years.</p><p>The vast majority of people are over 40, with pretty stagnant skills.  One guy started asking him about a linked list in Pascal, that's how out of date they are!  A hardware engineer didn't know what software defined radio was.  Now, this guy that interviewed is a pretty smart guy, the best electronics guy I know in town, yet was not able to land the job after seven technical interviews.  He also runs his own small software consulting company.  He said the most unusual thing during the interview was a big boss lady that asked: "How was your first day?" as he was being walked out the door after 5PM.</p><p>Our consensus was that the manager could not differentiate between an interview candidate in the department and a new hire.</p><p>Another guy said that they used to serve steaks and have beer busts back in the good old days. He said those days at HP are gone. Now the cubes are smaller, like 6' x 8'  Sounds like the power factory in the Matrix to me.  A prison for your mind.  Personally, I'm glad my friend didn't get the position.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A friend of mine recently interviewed at HP .
I talked with him about it.He said that they are starting to hire again , that they told him they needed to get their head count up because they really had not been hiring in the past 6 years.The vast majority of people are over 40 , with pretty stagnant skills .
One guy started asking him about a linked list in Pascal , that 's how out of date they are !
A hardware engineer did n't know what software defined radio was .
Now , this guy that interviewed is a pretty smart guy , the best electronics guy I know in town , yet was not able to land the job after seven technical interviews .
He also runs his own small software consulting company .
He said the most unusual thing during the interview was a big boss lady that asked : " How was your first day ?
" as he was being walked out the door after 5PM.Our consensus was that the manager could not differentiate between an interview candidate in the department and a new hire.Another guy said that they used to serve steaks and have beer busts back in the good old days .
He said those days at HP are gone .
Now the cubes are smaller , like 6 ' x 8 ' Sounds like the power factory in the Matrix to me .
A prison for your mind .
Personally , I 'm glad my friend did n't get the position .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A friend of mine recently interviewed at HP.
I talked with him about it.He said that they are starting to hire again, that they told him they needed to get their head count up because they really had not been hiring in the past 6 years.The vast majority of people are over 40, with pretty stagnant skills.
One guy started asking him about a linked list in Pascal, that's how out of date they are!
A hardware engineer didn't know what software defined radio was.
Now, this guy that interviewed is a pretty smart guy, the best electronics guy I know in town, yet was not able to land the job after seven technical interviews.
He also runs his own small software consulting company.
He said the most unusual thing during the interview was a big boss lady that asked: "How was your first day?
" as he was being walked out the door after 5PM.Our consensus was that the manager could not differentiate between an interview candidate in the department and a new hire.Another guy said that they used to serve steaks and have beer busts back in the good old days.
He said those days at HP are gone.
Now the cubes are smaller, like 6' x 8'  Sounds like the power factory in the Matrix to me.
A prison for your mind.
Personally, I'm glad my friend didn't get the position.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784498</id>
	<title>anyone noticed the snide arrogance?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263552480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>in the last year, when interviewing...has anyone else noticed the interviewers air of superiority? like they hold the keys and you had better get to ass-kissing. i can't be the only one to have noticed this.</p><p>and this article...like the mega-corp is gods blessing to YOU. like you aren't just trading time for dollars and they aren't the ones making the profit? oh, please sir, may i have some more?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>in the last year , when interviewing...has anyone else noticed the interviewers air of superiority ?
like they hold the keys and you had better get to ass-kissing .
i ca n't be the only one to have noticed this.and this article...like the mega-corp is gods blessing to YOU .
like you are n't just trading time for dollars and they are n't the ones making the profit ?
oh , please sir , may i have some more ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>in the last year, when interviewing...has anyone else noticed the interviewers air of superiority?
like they hold the keys and you had better get to ass-kissing.
i can't be the only one to have noticed this.and this article...like the mega-corp is gods blessing to YOU.
like you aren't just trading time for dollars and they aren't the ones making the profit?
oh, please sir, may i have some more?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30789316</id>
	<title>Other words...</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1263645000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>Funny, I was wondering how he'd pull off an 8 to 5 job when he has the 4 kids from 7 to 3.Talk about a forgiving schedule or a kid-friendly work environment, and doesn't that interfere with their school. or does the megacorp handle their education too....   now that's inducting them into corporate culture early!</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny , I was wondering how he 'd pull off an 8 to 5 job when he has the 4 kids from 7 to 3.Talk about a forgiving schedule or a kid-friendly work environment , and does n't that interfere with their school .
or does the megacorp handle their education too.... now that 's inducting them into corporate culture early !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny, I was wondering how he'd pull off an 8 to 5 job when he has the 4 kids from 7 to 3.Talk about a forgiving schedule or a kid-friendly work environment, and doesn't that interfere with their school.
or does the megacorp handle their education too....   now that's inducting them into corporate culture early!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30788612</id>
	<title>Re:Just don't...</title>
	<author>bangthegong</author>
	<datestamp>1263633000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I worked for a megacorp like that for about 10 months and left. Now i'm working at another megacorp not at all like that, been here for about 3 years.

YMMV.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked for a megacorp like that for about 10 months and left .
Now i 'm working at another megacorp not at all like that , been here for about 3 years .
YMMV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked for a megacorp like that for about 10 months and left.
Now i'm working at another megacorp not at all like that, been here for about 3 years.
YMMV.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784616</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787762</id>
	<title>Re:Nobody has thought of it</title>
	<author>Samgilljoy</author>
	<datestamp>1263577200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree with you, but you have no idea how many job seekers fuck all that shit up.  It's painful.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with you , but you have no idea how many job seekers fuck all that shit up .
It 's painful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with you, but you have no idea how many job seekers fuck all that shit up.
It's painful.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784598</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30867718</id>
	<title>Screw Google and MS....</title>
	<author>c0sine</author>
	<datestamp>1264278420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>get job at Yahoo!: plenty of opportunities and a way better pay than at scroodgi Google with its privacy hating CEO<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</htmltext>
<tokenext>get job at Yahoo !
: plenty of opportunities and a way better pay than at scroodgi Google with its privacy hating CEO : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>get job at Yahoo!
: plenty of opportunities and a way better pay than at scroodgi Google with its privacy hating CEO :(</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30789260</id>
	<title>Re:Megacorps</title>
	<author>DamonHD</author>
	<datestamp>1263644160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have to agree on the lack of correlation between size and atmosphere.</p><p>The two most poisonous places I worked at were two of the smallest by a long long margin, maybe orders of magnitude.</p><p>I've worked (always freelance) for a lot of very big companies (on the IT side, but not IT companies) and on the whole what matters is the group you are with and in particular management directly above you IMHO.  Being freelance allows me to opt out of most of the politics and dumb-HR silliness.  I am the captain of my soul/company, etc...</p><p>And I clearly put bounds on the hours I want to do in the interview, and often trade money for flexibility, now in part because I have two small sprogs who I want to be able to recognise by sight, awake.  And being clear but slightly non-standard screens out unreasonable, inflexible box-ticking employers.</p><p>And, BTW, I've had the vast majority of my work via word-of-mouth rather than agencies, etc.</p><p>Rgds</p><p>Damon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to agree on the lack of correlation between size and atmosphere.The two most poisonous places I worked at were two of the smallest by a long long margin , maybe orders of magnitude.I 've worked ( always freelance ) for a lot of very big companies ( on the IT side , but not IT companies ) and on the whole what matters is the group you are with and in particular management directly above you IMHO .
Being freelance allows me to opt out of most of the politics and dumb-HR silliness .
I am the captain of my soul/company , etc...And I clearly put bounds on the hours I want to do in the interview , and often trade money for flexibility , now in part because I have two small sprogs who I want to be able to recognise by sight , awake .
And being clear but slightly non-standard screens out unreasonable , inflexible box-ticking employers.And , BTW , I 've had the vast majority of my work via word-of-mouth rather than agencies , etc.RgdsDamon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to agree on the lack of correlation between size and atmosphere.The two most poisonous places I worked at were two of the smallest by a long long margin, maybe orders of magnitude.I've worked (always freelance) for a lot of very big companies (on the IT side, but not IT companies) and on the whole what matters is the group you are with and in particular management directly above you IMHO.
Being freelance allows me to opt out of most of the politics and dumb-HR silliness.
I am the captain of my soul/company, etc...And I clearly put bounds on the hours I want to do in the interview, and often trade money for flexibility, now in part because I have two small sprogs who I want to be able to recognise by sight, awake.
And being clear but slightly non-standard screens out unreasonable, inflexible box-ticking employers.And, BTW, I've had the vast majority of my work via word-of-mouth rather than agencies, etc.RgdsDamon</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785104</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784896</id>
	<title>Meh..</title>
	<author>xxuserxx</author>
	<datestamp>1263554520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unless your an exec I dont know why anyone would want to work for a public company.  Less pay and more BS.  Granted I never have to worry about it since im a high school dropout but the small to medium business sector shows me lots of love.  I did consult a few public companies in San Diego mainly branch offices and I did not like how IT was treated.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless your an exec I dont know why anyone would want to work for a public company .
Less pay and more BS .
Granted I never have to worry about it since im a high school dropout but the small to medium business sector shows me lots of love .
I did consult a few public companies in San Diego mainly branch offices and I did not like how IT was treated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless your an exec I dont know why anyone would want to work for a public company.
Less pay and more BS.
Granted I never have to worry about it since im a high school dropout but the small to medium business sector shows me lots of love.
I did consult a few public companies in San Diego mainly branch offices and I did not like how IT was treated.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784994</id>
	<title>Re:Find a Recruiter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263555120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You'll never get hired full-time at Microsoft from Volt. Possibly another contract agency, but as long as you're with Volt you might as well learn to love that orange badge.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'll never get hired full-time at Microsoft from Volt .
Possibly another contract agency , but as long as you 're with Volt you might as well learn to love that orange badge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'll never get hired full-time at Microsoft from Volt.
Possibly another contract agency, but as long as you're with Volt you might as well learn to love that orange badge.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784660</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30816596</id>
	<title>Re:David always becomes Goliath</title>
	<author>yuhong</author>
	<datestamp>1263843360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>With Microsoft, you have a company that for too long had no real competition, so they got real sloppy, and real lazy, and have trouble keeping up with the latest trends.</p> </div><p>MS is actually even worse, as it has also actively tried to crush the competition through illegal tactics. MS isn't called an abusive monopolist for nothing. Thank Bill Gates for being an aggressive businessman which helped.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>With Microsoft , you have a company that for too long had no real competition , so they got real sloppy , and real lazy , and have trouble keeping up with the latest trends .
MS is actually even worse , as it has also actively tried to crush the competition through illegal tactics .
MS is n't called an abusive monopolist for nothing .
Thank Bill Gates for being an aggressive businessman which helped .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With Microsoft, you have a company that for too long had no real competition, so they got real sloppy, and real lazy, and have trouble keeping up with the latest trends.
MS is actually even worse, as it has also actively tried to crush the competition through illegal tactics.
MS isn't called an abusive monopolist for nothing.
Thank Bill Gates for being an aggressive businessman which helped.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784770</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786556</id>
	<title>What's wrong with Apple retail?</title>
	<author>jcr</author>
	<datestamp>1263564900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know several people who started in Retail at Apple, and are now working at Apple corporate.  Among them are a very talented visual designer, a manager who leads a team that develops various apps for internal use, and a person who writes sales training materials that are used worldwide.</p><p>Besides those, I can also point out that since Apple retail is growing so quickly, that people who stay within the retail organization can move up quickly if they're willing to learn and work hard.  I know three different people who went from sales, to assistant manager, to running a store within three years.</p><p>I don't know what problems you had when you worked there (assuming for the sake of argument that you're not making it up), but I know that many others have done quite well by joining Apple retail.  I'm even aware of several people who didn't make the cut to get their own store at Apple, but were recruited to run stores for other companies.</p><p>-jcr</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know several people who started in Retail at Apple , and are now working at Apple corporate .
Among them are a very talented visual designer , a manager who leads a team that develops various apps for internal use , and a person who writes sales training materials that are used worldwide.Besides those , I can also point out that since Apple retail is growing so quickly , that people who stay within the retail organization can move up quickly if they 're willing to learn and work hard .
I know three different people who went from sales , to assistant manager , to running a store within three years.I do n't know what problems you had when you worked there ( assuming for the sake of argument that you 're not making it up ) , but I know that many others have done quite well by joining Apple retail .
I 'm even aware of several people who did n't make the cut to get their own store at Apple , but were recruited to run stores for other companies.-jcr</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know several people who started in Retail at Apple, and are now working at Apple corporate.
Among them are a very talented visual designer, a manager who leads a team that develops various apps for internal use, and a person who writes sales training materials that are used worldwide.Besides those, I can also point out that since Apple retail is growing so quickly, that people who stay within the retail organization can move up quickly if they're willing to learn and work hard.
I know three different people who went from sales, to assistant manager, to running a store within three years.I don't know what problems you had when you worked there (assuming for the sake of argument that you're not making it up), but I know that many others have done quite well by joining Apple retail.
I'm even aware of several people who didn't make the cut to get their own store at Apple, but were recruited to run stores for other companies.-jcr</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784606</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787532</id>
	<title>Better than having your own company.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263574260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I own a avionics company, I have 39 employees total. I work there as a software developer, not CEO (I'm a geek). The truth is, my<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. friends. I want every single employee working as hard as they can. I want their souls - no kidding. I want them to work perfectly to exaustion and possible death.  Because every night I go to bed praying to have money for paying their salaries and keep the company open. Every night I can't sleep because if I don't get one more client they will loose their jobs and I will loose everything. I'll never own a company again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I own a avionics company , I have 39 employees total .
I work there as a software developer , not CEO ( I 'm a geek ) .
The truth is , my / .
friends. I want every single employee working as hard as they can .
I want their souls - no kidding .
I want them to work perfectly to exaustion and possible death .
Because every night I go to bed praying to have money for paying their salaries and keep the company open .
Every night I ca n't sleep because if I do n't get one more client they will loose their jobs and I will loose everything .
I 'll never own a company again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I own a avionics company, I have 39 employees total.
I work there as a software developer, not CEO (I'm a geek).
The truth is, my /.
friends. I want every single employee working as hard as they can.
I want their souls - no kidding.
I want them to work perfectly to exaustion and possible death.
Because every night I go to bed praying to have money for paying their salaries and keep the company open.
Every night I can't sleep because if I don't get one more client they will loose their jobs and I will loose everything.
I'll never own a company again.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784602</id>
	<title>Interview tips at Mega-Corps</title>
	<author>rwwyatt</author>
	<datestamp>1263552900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><ul>
<li>knee pads</li><li>Bring Your own lube</li><li>???</li><li> YOU ARE HIRED!!!</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>knee padsBring Your own lube ? ? ?
YOU ARE HIRED ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
knee padsBring Your own lube???
YOU ARE HIRED!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784798</id>
	<title>Megacorp aside... innovative jobs instead...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263554100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Megacorps aside, the interview process has changed significantly in the past few years. We're a <a href="http://www.plml.org/" title="plml.org">small nonprofit</a> [plml.org] devoted to building complex educational designs. While we're keen on building a lithe workforce during out startup stage, and while we're compensating only at the stipend level, our interviews are meant to bring in the best individuals we can find.
</p><p>What does that means? It means that in addition to the interview itself, we discuss cases and, in many cases, ask for a code sample and/or add a programming challenge. The process isn't meant to be dispiriting in the least; but it is meant to bring in the most compatible, most visionary young people we can find, and, in our case, to help them get a significant boost onward toward their dream (read: visionary) career.
</p><p>So, the arduous selection process isn't just a part of big-megacorps; it's becoming a part of many smaller (but highly innovative) organizations as well.
</p><p>--Dave</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Megacorps aside , the interview process has changed significantly in the past few years .
We 're a small nonprofit [ plml.org ] devoted to building complex educational designs .
While we 're keen on building a lithe workforce during out startup stage , and while we 're compensating only at the stipend level , our interviews are meant to bring in the best individuals we can find .
What does that means ?
It means that in addition to the interview itself , we discuss cases and , in many cases , ask for a code sample and/or add a programming challenge .
The process is n't meant to be dispiriting in the least ; but it is meant to bring in the most compatible , most visionary young people we can find , and , in our case , to help them get a significant boost onward toward their dream ( read : visionary ) career .
So , the arduous selection process is n't just a part of big-megacorps ; it 's becoming a part of many smaller ( but highly innovative ) organizations as well .
--Dave</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Megacorps aside, the interview process has changed significantly in the past few years.
We're a small nonprofit [plml.org] devoted to building complex educational designs.
While we're keen on building a lithe workforce during out startup stage, and while we're compensating only at the stipend level, our interviews are meant to bring in the best individuals we can find.
What does that means?
It means that in addition to the interview itself, we discuss cases and, in many cases, ask for a code sample and/or add a programming challenge.
The process isn't meant to be dispiriting in the least; but it is meant to bring in the most compatible, most visionary young people we can find, and, in our case, to help them get a significant boost onward toward their dream (read: visionary) career.
So, the arduous selection process isn't just a part of big-megacorps; it's becoming a part of many smaller (but highly innovative) organizations as well.
--Dave</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787378</id>
	<title>bitter, bitter</title>
	<author>fluffernutter</author>
	<datestamp>1263572640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I work for one of the original mega-corps as a consultant.  My rate is top-notch (according to comments on another recent thread, I have "made it").  I work with top enterprise servers, and am trusted to plan things out from time to time.  I am given the flexibility to work 40 hours or 60 hours in a week, depending on how much I want to make that week.<br> <br>

It's not all bad.. Sorry but lot of times Slashdot readers come off as a bunch of whiners.  Maybe the ones that like to roll up their sleeves and make a living are too busy doing so to write a lot of comments.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I work for one of the original mega-corps as a consultant .
My rate is top-notch ( according to comments on another recent thread , I have " made it " ) .
I work with top enterprise servers , and am trusted to plan things out from time to time .
I am given the flexibility to work 40 hours or 60 hours in a week , depending on how much I want to make that week .
It 's not all bad.. Sorry but lot of times Slashdot readers come off as a bunch of whiners .
Maybe the ones that like to roll up their sleeves and make a living are too busy doing so to write a lot of comments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work for one of the original mega-corps as a consultant.
My rate is top-notch (according to comments on another recent thread, I have "made it").
I work with top enterprise servers, and am trusted to plan things out from time to time.
I am given the flexibility to work 40 hours or 60 hours in a week, depending on how much I want to make that week.
It's not all bad.. Sorry but lot of times Slashdot readers come off as a bunch of whiners.
Maybe the ones that like to roll up their sleeves and make a living are too busy doing so to write a lot of comments.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784660</id>
	<title>Find a Recruiter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263553260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Provided you have the requisite skills, find a recruiter (aka Head Hunter) to get you a contract position at Microsoft (Volt, Comsys, et al.), Verizon, etc.  You'll make more money, get a peek at the corporate culture (to see if you like it), and might have a better "inside track" at applying.  You might even get paid for all the hours you work! (depending on the ethics of the corporation and your contract agency).</p><p>The down-side is that you will have to pay for your own benefits (generally) and may resent the fact that someone is taking home part of what the company pays without doing any work for it, and will have less job security.</p><p>How do you contact such a person, yo ask?  Post your resume on Monster with the right keywords (provided, of course, that you have the skills!).</p><p>YMMV</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Provided you have the requisite skills , find a recruiter ( aka Head Hunter ) to get you a contract position at Microsoft ( Volt , Comsys , et al .
) , Verizon , etc .
You 'll make more money , get a peek at the corporate culture ( to see if you like it ) , and might have a better " inside track " at applying .
You might even get paid for all the hours you work !
( depending on the ethics of the corporation and your contract agency ) .The down-side is that you will have to pay for your own benefits ( generally ) and may resent the fact that someone is taking home part of what the company pays without doing any work for it , and will have less job security.How do you contact such a person , yo ask ?
Post your resume on Monster with the right keywords ( provided , of course , that you have the skills !
) .YMMV</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Provided you have the requisite skills, find a recruiter (aka Head Hunter) to get you a contract position at Microsoft (Volt, Comsys, et al.
), Verizon, etc.
You'll make more money, get a peek at the corporate culture (to see if you like it), and might have a better "inside track" at applying.
You might even get paid for all the hours you work!
(depending on the ethics of the corporation and your contract agency).The down-side is that you will have to pay for your own benefits (generally) and may resent the fact that someone is taking home part of what the company pays without doing any work for it, and will have less job security.How do you contact such a person, yo ask?
Post your resume on Monster with the right keywords (provided, of course, that you have the skills!
).YMMV</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785062</id>
	<title>Re:Nobody has thought of it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263555420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dang, when I interviewed it was all a bunch of dudes in suits that showed up. I need to work where you interviewed so I can interview chicks in bikini's!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dang , when I interviewed it was all a bunch of dudes in suits that showed up .
I need to work where you interviewed so I can interview chicks in bikini 's !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dang, when I interviewed it was all a bunch of dudes in suits that showed up.
I need to work where you interviewed so I can interview chicks in bikini's!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784598</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784616</id>
	<title>Just don't...</title>
	<author>zero\_out</author>
	<datestamp>1263553080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I worked for two years in a megacorp, and it was a horrible experience.  The worst part about it was how upper management treated their employees.  Compensation was below market standards.  We were compensated less than market standards, yet expected to work longer hours, and be more productive during that time, than other corporations.  HR hid all important information behind several layers of red tape.<br>
<br>
The actual work was somewhat interesting, but there was no advancement.  Sure, there were lots of dog and pony shows, but managers were encouraged to keep their employees in the same position for years, and would give bad internal references to facilitate that.  It was considered easier and cheaper to hire externally for one position than hire internally for one and then have to hire again to fill the new vacancy.<br>
<br>
The only real benefit to working for a megacorp is the prestige that comes with the name.  "I work for XYZ," usually got a few looks of admiration or envy from those who didn't know any better (like friends and family, but not colleagues).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked for two years in a megacorp , and it was a horrible experience .
The worst part about it was how upper management treated their employees .
Compensation was below market standards .
We were compensated less than market standards , yet expected to work longer hours , and be more productive during that time , than other corporations .
HR hid all important information behind several layers of red tape .
The actual work was somewhat interesting , but there was no advancement .
Sure , there were lots of dog and pony shows , but managers were encouraged to keep their employees in the same position for years , and would give bad internal references to facilitate that .
It was considered easier and cheaper to hire externally for one position than hire internally for one and then have to hire again to fill the new vacancy .
The only real benefit to working for a megacorp is the prestige that comes with the name .
" I work for XYZ , " usually got a few looks of admiration or envy from those who did n't know any better ( like friends and family , but not colleagues ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked for two years in a megacorp, and it was a horrible experience.
The worst part about it was how upper management treated their employees.
Compensation was below market standards.
We were compensated less than market standards, yet expected to work longer hours, and be more productive during that time, than other corporations.
HR hid all important information behind several layers of red tape.
The actual work was somewhat interesting, but there was no advancement.
Sure, there were lots of dog and pony shows, but managers were encouraged to keep their employees in the same position for years, and would give bad internal references to facilitate that.
It was considered easier and cheaper to hire externally for one position than hire internally for one and then have to hire again to fill the new vacancy.
The only real benefit to working for a megacorp is the prestige that comes with the name.
"I work for XYZ," usually got a few looks of admiration or envy from those who didn't know any better (like friends and family, but not colleagues).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784774</id>
	<title>Re:First, be a foreigner</title>
	<author>Maniacal</author>
	<datestamp>1263553920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This many be off topic but you mentioned it.  Does anyone ever get pensions anymore.   I've worked for 10 companies or so and never 1 mention of pensions.  I saw it mentioned in an article this morning as well.  I thought pensions went out with my Grandpa's generation.  Do people still work at companies that provide them?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This many be off topic but you mentioned it .
Does anyone ever get pensions anymore .
I 've worked for 10 companies or so and never 1 mention of pensions .
I saw it mentioned in an article this morning as well .
I thought pensions went out with my Grandpa 's generation .
Do people still work at companies that provide them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This many be off topic but you mentioned it.
Does anyone ever get pensions anymore.
I've worked for 10 companies or so and never 1 mention of pensions.
I saw it mentioned in an article this morning as well.
I thought pensions went out with my Grandpa's generation.
Do people still work at companies that provide them?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784582</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30788182</id>
	<title>Initech</title>
	<author>david999</author>
	<datestamp>1263581940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I myself am looking to get hired at Initech. I hear you can arrive late everyday and be promoted to management level after doing maybe 10-15 minutes of real work during a week.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I myself am looking to get hired at Initech .
I hear you can arrive late everyday and be promoted to management level after doing maybe 10-15 minutes of real work during a week .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I myself am looking to get hired at Initech.
I hear you can arrive late everyday and be promoted to management level after doing maybe 10-15 minutes of real work during a week.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30788958</id>
	<title>Re:Freelance decker</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263640080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>[...] And the reason for that is, that above a certain number, most of the other people in the group become faceless entities.</p></div></blockquote><p>A recent work-experience tells me that even small companies are not immune to treating their workers as replaceable cogwheels. I'll resign shortly.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ ... ] And the reason for that is , that above a certain number , most of the other people in the group become faceless entities.A recent work-experience tells me that even small companies are not immune to treating their workers as replaceable cogwheels .
I 'll resign shortly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[...] And the reason for that is, that above a certain number, most of the other people in the group become faceless entities.A recent work-experience tells me that even small companies are not immune to treating their workers as replaceable cogwheels.
I'll resign shortly.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785700</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30789630</id>
	<title>Move to the EU</title>
	<author>jotaeleemeese</author>
	<datestamp>1263649080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have worked for companies with US HQs in the EU. Since they have to respect EU law I have never worked more than 40 hours a week.</p><p>But perhaps some people in the US should grow a spine and learn to say no (I worked in a couple of countries with shit labour laws, where other people were working regularly 50 or 60 hour a week, I still worked no more than 40 because I made perfectly clear I wasn't going to work for free).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have worked for companies with US HQs in the EU .
Since they have to respect EU law I have never worked more than 40 hours a week.But perhaps some people in the US should grow a spine and learn to say no ( I worked in a couple of countries with shit labour laws , where other people were working regularly 50 or 60 hour a week , I still worked no more than 40 because I made perfectly clear I was n't going to work for free ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have worked for companies with US HQs in the EU.
Since they have to respect EU law I have never worked more than 40 hours a week.But perhaps some people in the US should grow a spine and learn to say no (I worked in a couple of countries with shit labour laws, where other people were working regularly 50 or 60 hour a week, I still worked no more than 40 because I made perfectly clear I wasn't going to work for free).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784618</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784988</id>
	<title>Re:Apple Retail IS NOT EQUAL to Apple</title>
	<author>dunkelfalke</author>
	<datestamp>1263555060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I worked for Tieto for a while and it really depends on the location.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked for Tieto for a while and it really depends on the location .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked for Tieto for a while and it really depends on the location.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784606</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786676</id>
	<title>Interviewing at Apple.</title>
	<author>jcr</author>
	<datestamp>1263565860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I worked there for three and a half years, so here's my advice:</p><p>1) Don't get discouraged if you don't get the first job you apply for.  The contacts you make on the first round of interviews can help you the next time around.  Try to make an impression on the recruiter, it will help if they remember you when you apply the next time.  I would estimate that less than half of the people at Apple were hired for the first position they applied for.  Typically, the job they did end up getting was a far better fit.</p><p>2) In interviews, if you don't know something, <i>never try to bluff</i>.  Say you don't know it, and briefly describe how you'd go about finding it out.</p><p>3) Apply for a job you actually want, not one that just looks like a good way to get in the door.  If the team you apply to join doesn't think you really want to be in their group, they have many other candidates who do.</p><p>4) Apple has the best in-house recruiters I've ever dealt with, bar none.  When I joined Apple in '82, it was during a hiring freeze, and my offer had to be approved by senior management to get a waiver.  My recruiter did an incredible job of arranging an interview with my hiring manager, two of his peers in other groups, every engineer on the team I was joining, and our group's VP, all in time for them to get an offer to me before Apple went on their December break (a window of about three days).</p><p>Hope this helps,</p><p>-jcr</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked there for three and a half years , so here 's my advice : 1 ) Do n't get discouraged if you do n't get the first job you apply for .
The contacts you make on the first round of interviews can help you the next time around .
Try to make an impression on the recruiter , it will help if they remember you when you apply the next time .
I would estimate that less than half of the people at Apple were hired for the first position they applied for .
Typically , the job they did end up getting was a far better fit.2 ) In interviews , if you do n't know something , never try to bluff .
Say you do n't know it , and briefly describe how you 'd go about finding it out.3 ) Apply for a job you actually want , not one that just looks like a good way to get in the door .
If the team you apply to join does n't think you really want to be in their group , they have many other candidates who do.4 ) Apple has the best in-house recruiters I 've ever dealt with , bar none .
When I joined Apple in '82 , it was during a hiring freeze , and my offer had to be approved by senior management to get a waiver .
My recruiter did an incredible job of arranging an interview with my hiring manager , two of his peers in other groups , every engineer on the team I was joining , and our group 's VP , all in time for them to get an offer to me before Apple went on their December break ( a window of about three days ) .Hope this helps,-jcr</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked there for three and a half years, so here's my advice:1) Don't get discouraged if you don't get the first job you apply for.
The contacts you make on the first round of interviews can help you the next time around.
Try to make an impression on the recruiter, it will help if they remember you when you apply the next time.
I would estimate that less than half of the people at Apple were hired for the first position they applied for.
Typically, the job they did end up getting was a far better fit.2) In interviews, if you don't know something, never try to bluff.
Say you don't know it, and briefly describe how you'd go about finding it out.3) Apply for a job you actually want, not one that just looks like a good way to get in the door.
If the team you apply to join doesn't think you really want to be in their group, they have many other candidates who do.4) Apple has the best in-house recruiters I've ever dealt with, bar none.
When I joined Apple in '82, it was during a hiring freeze, and my offer had to be approved by senior management to get a waiver.
My recruiter did an incredible job of arranging an interview with my hiring manager, two of his peers in other groups, every engineer on the team I was joining, and our group's VP, all in time for them to get an offer to me before Apple went on their December break (a window of about three days).Hope this helps,-jcr</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786720</id>
	<title>Re:Those positions have always been there.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263566160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You (and people like you) fucking suck. That's all I have to say.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ( and people like you ) fucking suck .
That 's all I have to say .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You (and people like you) fucking suck.
That's all I have to say.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784664</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784582</id>
	<title>First, be a foreigner</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263552840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, many of the "published positions" are reserved for H1-B and other candidates who will not need pensions, who will cost less in salary, and who will be less likely to question management. It was laid out very well in this famous old video: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU)</p><p>Others are simply fraudulent: I used to work at a 500 person company which listed positions in my department and others where the "listings" were used to bump up head count for stock pumping and advertising reasons, while deliberately ignoring the hundreds of advertisements in order to demonstrate our "growth" and encourage investment while not actually paying for employees. The same nonsensical behavior used for the H1-B craziness are used for just this sort of stock pumping: roughly a dozen positions were always listed as "open", even though they'd quietly bury all the resumes. Other tricks, not in the video, include deliberately requiring far too many qualifications, listing far more qualifications than the role requires, listing far *fewer* qualificiations. It's especially fun when an HR department bases its manpower on number of applications handled, rather than number of employees placed or speed of placement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , many of the " published positions " are reserved for H1-B and other candidates who will not need pensions , who will cost less in salary , and who will be less likely to question management .
It was laid out very well in this famous old video : ( http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = TCbFEgFajGU ) Others are simply fraudulent : I used to work at a 500 person company which listed positions in my department and others where the " listings " were used to bump up head count for stock pumping and advertising reasons , while deliberately ignoring the hundreds of advertisements in order to demonstrate our " growth " and encourage investment while not actually paying for employees .
The same nonsensical behavior used for the H1-B craziness are used for just this sort of stock pumping : roughly a dozen positions were always listed as " open " , even though they 'd quietly bury all the resumes .
Other tricks , not in the video , include deliberately requiring far too many qualifications , listing far more qualifications than the role requires , listing far * fewer * qualificiations .
It 's especially fun when an HR department bases its manpower on number of applications handled , rather than number of employees placed or speed of placement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, many of the "published positions" are reserved for H1-B and other candidates who will not need pensions, who will cost less in salary, and who will be less likely to question management.
It was laid out very well in this famous old video: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU)Others are simply fraudulent: I used to work at a 500 person company which listed positions in my department and others where the "listings" were used to bump up head count for stock pumping and advertising reasons, while deliberately ignoring the hundreds of advertisements in order to demonstrate our "growth" and encourage investment while not actually paying for employees.
The same nonsensical behavior used for the H1-B craziness are used for just this sort of stock pumping: roughly a dozen positions were always listed as "open", even though they'd quietly bury all the resumes.
Other tricks, not in the video, include deliberately requiring far too many qualifications, listing far more qualifications than the role requires, listing far *fewer* qualificiations.
It's especially fun when an HR department bases its manpower on number of applications handled, rather than number of employees placed or speed of placement.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785070</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1263555480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>At some point, every company moves to short-term cost reductions instead of focusing on maintaining infrastructure for when things pick up again. The first clue you're in trouble is when they fire smart people because they are too expensive. Then the remainder of the smart people see what's happening and jump ship. The few who remain struggle to keep everything afloat, only to get laid off when the company gets bought/merged.</p></div><p>I am seeing a similar syndrome with the exception that certain people are putting in mechanisms for extracting money from the sinking ship. Kind of a Die Hard situation with money laundering through service providers. Makes for a short hard snap at the end with less annoying lingering I suppose.</p><p>Off to work on my resume now.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>At some point , every company moves to short-term cost reductions instead of focusing on maintaining infrastructure for when things pick up again .
The first clue you 're in trouble is when they fire smart people because they are too expensive .
Then the remainder of the smart people see what 's happening and jump ship .
The few who remain struggle to keep everything afloat , only to get laid off when the company gets bought/merged.I am seeing a similar syndrome with the exception that certain people are putting in mechanisms for extracting money from the sinking ship .
Kind of a Die Hard situation with money laundering through service providers .
Makes for a short hard snap at the end with less annoying lingering I suppose.Off to work on my resume now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At some point, every company moves to short-term cost reductions instead of focusing on maintaining infrastructure for when things pick up again.
The first clue you're in trouble is when they fire smart people because they are too expensive.
Then the remainder of the smart people see what's happening and jump ship.
The few who remain struggle to keep everything afloat, only to get laid off when the company gets bought/merged.I am seeing a similar syndrome with the exception that certain people are putting in mechanisms for extracting money from the sinking ship.
Kind of a Die Hard situation with money laundering through service providers.
Makes for a short hard snap at the end with less annoying lingering I suppose.Off to work on my resume now.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784876</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785692</id>
	<title>Re:Megacorp aside... innovative jobs instead...</title>
	<author>Tjp($)pjT</author>
	<datestamp>1263558840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <em>most visionary young people we can find</em></p></div> </blockquote><p>And why not just the most visionary people you can find?<br>
<br>Age discrimination. Its not just for breakfast or early bird specials anymore.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>most visionary young people we can find And why not just the most visionary people you can find ?
Age discrimination .
Its not just for breakfast or early bird specials anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> most visionary young people we can find And why not just the most visionary people you can find?
Age discrimination.
Its not just for breakfast or early bird specials anymore.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784798</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786332</id>
	<title>Re:Other words...</title>
	<author>flyneye</author>
	<datestamp>1263563520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Several reasons not to do it.<br>1. life is too short and pay is truthfully not enough to subject yourself to that tension,no matter what the sales pitch.<br>2. If you are truly talented enough to make the cut, you are still only enabling their antics and attacks on humankind via product.<br>3. Gratification comes from finding your niche and promoting your own talent, product, service , etc...<br>4. Small family type businesses are really where its at to get ahead, if not monetarily, at least experience, satisfaction and slack.<br>5. Who wouldn't like to tell the Ballmers, Jobs, CTOs of the big money world to ingest excrement and expire?<br>6. When the rats are racing Saturday night and thru Sunday, You'll be swiggin beer at the lake instead of finding a positive way to sell the plastic consumer ripoff du jour under penalty of unemployment.<br>7. Just Say No</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Several reasons not to do it.1 .
life is too short and pay is truthfully not enough to subject yourself to that tension,no matter what the sales pitch.2 .
If you are truly talented enough to make the cut , you are still only enabling their antics and attacks on humankind via product.3 .
Gratification comes from finding your niche and promoting your own talent , product , service , etc...4 .
Small family type businesses are really where its at to get ahead , if not monetarily , at least experience , satisfaction and slack.5 .
Who would n't like to tell the Ballmers , Jobs , CTOs of the big money world to ingest excrement and expire ? 6 .
When the rats are racing Saturday night and thru Sunday , You 'll be swiggin beer at the lake instead of finding a positive way to sell the plastic consumer ripoff du jour under penalty of unemployment.7 .
Just Say No</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Several reasons not to do it.1.
life is too short and pay is truthfully not enough to subject yourself to that tension,no matter what the sales pitch.2.
If you are truly talented enough to make the cut, you are still only enabling their antics and attacks on humankind via product.3.
Gratification comes from finding your niche and promoting your own talent, product, service , etc...4.
Small family type businesses are really where its at to get ahead, if not monetarily, at least experience, satisfaction and slack.5.
Who wouldn't like to tell the Ballmers, Jobs, CTOs of the big money world to ingest excrement and expire?6.
When the rats are racing Saturday night and thru Sunday, You'll be swiggin beer at the lake instead of finding a positive way to sell the plastic consumer ripoff du jour under penalty of unemployment.7.
Just Say No</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784466</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787750</id>
	<title>Re:Why would you want to?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263577020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I can think of one big disaster where I was at work 40 hours straight</p></div></blockquote><p>Let me guess: Vista release day, right?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can think of one big disaster where I was at work 40 hours straightLet me guess : Vista release day , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can think of one big disaster where I was at work 40 hours straightLet me guess: Vista release day, right?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785662</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785254</id>
	<title>Thanks to mega-corps...</title>
	<author>Adammil2000</author>
	<datestamp>1263556440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've learned so much and gained access to brilliant people that I never would have met elsewhere. Don't tell smart, young people to intentionally ignore the incredible opportunities that are available in such places. The better advice has nothing to do with mega-corps and is more about behavior: Avoid blind ladder-climbing strictly based on pay, otherwise you end up stuck in a high paying job that you hate, but cannot leave because your true calling in life cannot pay the bills that you've accumulated so far.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've learned so much and gained access to brilliant people that I never would have met elsewhere .
Do n't tell smart , young people to intentionally ignore the incredible opportunities that are available in such places .
The better advice has nothing to do with mega-corps and is more about behavior : Avoid blind ladder-climbing strictly based on pay , otherwise you end up stuck in a high paying job that you hate , but can not leave because your true calling in life can not pay the bills that you 've accumulated so far .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've learned so much and gained access to brilliant people that I never would have met elsewhere.
Don't tell smart, young people to intentionally ignore the incredible opportunities that are available in such places.
The better advice has nothing to do with mega-corps and is more about behavior: Avoid blind ladder-climbing strictly based on pay, otherwise you end up stuck in a high paying job that you hate, but cannot leave because your true calling in life cannot pay the bills that you've accumulated so far.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785024</id>
	<title>Re:Interview tips at Mega-Corps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263555300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>+1</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+1</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784602</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784638</id>
	<title>Re:Freelance decker</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263553140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That might mean buying into the company&rsquo;s brand ethos and cultural traits, but candidates must also show a willingness to work like a demon.</p></div><p>You may have a point. They're looking for idealistic <i>young</i> people who are going to work 80+ hours a week and not ask why.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That might mean buying into the company    s brand ethos and cultural traits , but candidates must also show a willingness to work like a demon.You may have a point .
They 're looking for idealistic young people who are going to work 80 + hours a week and not ask why .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That might mean buying into the company’s brand ethos and cultural traits, but candidates must also show a willingness to work like a demon.You may have a point.
They're looking for idealistic young people who are going to work 80+ hours a week and not ask why.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784492</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785700</id>
	<title>Re:Freelance decker</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1263558900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I worked at a pretty big corporation. And I&rsquo;ll never do it again.</p><p>The simple reason it, that humans are not made for such big social/power structures (yes, that counts for countries too). And the reason for that is, that above a certain number, most of the other people in the group become faceless entities. Which means certain social feedback mechanisms are missing.</p><p>Think about what a person in a 30 people tribe (or your group of friends and family) can do and not do, versus what someone in a 300,000 people corporation can do and not do, and you know what I mean.</p><p>This mechanisms get replaced by endless meetings over meetings about meetings, micromanaged policies, and people who are banned from having any personal interest in the company as a whole, because they can&rsquo;t control its direction at all. (Or at least never see an effect.) So they mostly end up doing it for the money. Passively.</p><p>While the bosses, having to become experts in management, and lacking proper feedback from their employees (including what&rsquo;s a bad idea), then make bad decisions.</p><p>Now I&rsquo;m of course not saying that this is always and without exception the case. (Only stupid people are talking in absolutes, or think by default that others do.) But that is the only result that fits with all experience I got, be it first, second or third hand.</p><p>In my eyes, those companies are always already dead. The only reason they still are still moving, is their giant inertia. Like a supertanker needs 10 nautical miles at full speed backwards, to get to a halt. Like a giant dinosaur, that takes half a year to completely cool down to ambient temperature.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked at a pretty big corporation .
And I    ll never do it again.The simple reason it , that humans are not made for such big social/power structures ( yes , that counts for countries too ) .
And the reason for that is , that above a certain number , most of the other people in the group become faceless entities .
Which means certain social feedback mechanisms are missing.Think about what a person in a 30 people tribe ( or your group of friends and family ) can do and not do , versus what someone in a 300,000 people corporation can do and not do , and you know what I mean.This mechanisms get replaced by endless meetings over meetings about meetings , micromanaged policies , and people who are banned from having any personal interest in the company as a whole , because they can    t control its direction at all .
( Or at least never see an effect .
) So they mostly end up doing it for the money .
Passively.While the bosses , having to become experts in management , and lacking proper feedback from their employees ( including what    s a bad idea ) , then make bad decisions.Now I    m of course not saying that this is always and without exception the case .
( Only stupid people are talking in absolutes , or think by default that others do .
) But that is the only result that fits with all experience I got , be it first , second or third hand.In my eyes , those companies are always already dead .
The only reason they still are still moving , is their giant inertia .
Like a supertanker needs 10 nautical miles at full speed backwards , to get to a halt .
Like a giant dinosaur , that takes half a year to completely cool down to ambient temperature .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked at a pretty big corporation.
And I’ll never do it again.The simple reason it, that humans are not made for such big social/power structures (yes, that counts for countries too).
And the reason for that is, that above a certain number, most of the other people in the group become faceless entities.
Which means certain social feedback mechanisms are missing.Think about what a person in a 30 people tribe (or your group of friends and family) can do and not do, versus what someone in a 300,000 people corporation can do and not do, and you know what I mean.This mechanisms get replaced by endless meetings over meetings about meetings, micromanaged policies, and people who are banned from having any personal interest in the company as a whole, because they can’t control its direction at all.
(Or at least never see an effect.
) So they mostly end up doing it for the money.
Passively.While the bosses, having to become experts in management, and lacking proper feedback from their employees (including what’s a bad idea), then make bad decisions.Now I’m of course not saying that this is always and without exception the case.
(Only stupid people are talking in absolutes, or think by default that others do.
) But that is the only result that fits with all experience I got, be it first, second or third hand.In my eyes, those companies are always already dead.
The only reason they still are still moving, is their giant inertia.
Like a supertanker needs 10 nautical miles at full speed backwards, to get to a halt.
Like a giant dinosaur, that takes half a year to completely cool down to ambient temperature.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784492</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30788480</id>
	<title>Re:How? The better question is WHY?</title>
	<author>Stiletto</author>
	<datestamp>1263672840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A lot of those "strengths" of small companies cut both ways, particularly the programming and change management ones.</p><p>Sure, you can competently go in and integrate sparse\_hash into your code without getting approval from the tech lead and the business side.  This also means Joe Junior Coder can integrate that awful code from his favorite newbie programming tutorial site with just as much ease and as little oversight.</p><p>If MegaCorp's product is used by millions of people across 10 platforms and 3 CPU architectures, that "little annoyance" you just fixed without the horror of going through the appropriate change control procedure might have broken the Sparc build in some subtle way the compiler didn't catch. Suddenly you've caused 2,000 new support calls. Bonus points if you leave the company soon after and it's up to a junior programmer to find and fix it.</p><p>I've just spent the last year implementing and formalizing much-needed process and controls at a small company because the existing system was pretty much "Russian-roulette" and cowboy coding.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of those " strengths " of small companies cut both ways , particularly the programming and change management ones.Sure , you can competently go in and integrate sparse \ _hash into your code without getting approval from the tech lead and the business side .
This also means Joe Junior Coder can integrate that awful code from his favorite newbie programming tutorial site with just as much ease and as little oversight.If MegaCorp 's product is used by millions of people across 10 platforms and 3 CPU architectures , that " little annoyance " you just fixed without the horror of going through the appropriate change control procedure might have broken the Sparc build in some subtle way the compiler did n't catch .
Suddenly you 've caused 2,000 new support calls .
Bonus points if you leave the company soon after and it 's up to a junior programmer to find and fix it.I 've just spent the last year implementing and formalizing much-needed process and controls at a small company because the existing system was pretty much " Russian-roulette " and cowboy coding .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of those "strengths" of small companies cut both ways, particularly the programming and change management ones.Sure, you can competently go in and integrate sparse\_hash into your code without getting approval from the tech lead and the business side.
This also means Joe Junior Coder can integrate that awful code from his favorite newbie programming tutorial site with just as much ease and as little oversight.If MegaCorp's product is used by millions of people across 10 platforms and 3 CPU architectures, that "little annoyance" you just fixed without the horror of going through the appropriate change control procedure might have broken the Sparc build in some subtle way the compiler didn't catch.
Suddenly you've caused 2,000 new support calls.
Bonus points if you leave the company soon after and it's up to a junior programmer to find and fix it.I've just spent the last year implementing and formalizing much-needed process and controls at a small company because the existing system was pretty much "Russian-roulette" and cowboy coding.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785830</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786322</id>
	<title>Re:How? The better question is WHY?</title>
	<author>Surt</author>
	<datestamp>1263563460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think 'good' is the keyword.  A megacorp is where the not so good go to have a secure job and a comfortable retirement.  They are packed with such people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think 'good ' is the keyword .
A megacorp is where the not so good go to have a secure job and a comfortable retirement .
They are packed with such people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think 'good' is the keyword.
A megacorp is where the not so good go to have a secure job and a comfortable retirement.
They are packed with such people.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784776</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785458</id>
	<title>Helps to be a team player</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263557580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many employers are also looking for people who can be good team players.   Communication skills and attitude (or lack of attitude) are also very important attributes.  This guy hits the nail on  the head.  <a href="http://williamfink.blogspot.com/" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://williamfink.blogspot.com</a> [blogspot.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many employers are also looking for people who can be good team players .
Communication skills and attitude ( or lack of attitude ) are also very important attributes .
This guy hits the nail on the head .
http : //williamfink.blogspot.com [ blogspot.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many employers are also looking for people who can be good team players.
Communication skills and attitude (or lack of attitude) are also very important attributes.
This guy hits the nail on  the head.
http://williamfink.blogspot.com [blogspot.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784904</id>
	<title>economic hangover starting to wear off??</title>
	<author>CranberryKing</author>
	<datestamp>1263554520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>WTF?? more like Acid is just starting to kick in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>WTF ? ?
more like Acid is just starting to kick in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF??
more like Acid is just starting to kick in.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785178</id>
	<title>Re:anyone noticed the snide arrogance?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263556020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd say you were applying at the wrong place. While it didn't work out in the end, when I interviewed with Google in Dublin despite the fact that there were the usual interview questions we had some quite nice discussions and it was rather pleasant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd say you were applying at the wrong place .
While it did n't work out in the end , when I interviewed with Google in Dublin despite the fact that there were the usual interview questions we had some quite nice discussions and it was rather pleasant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd say you were applying at the wrong place.
While it didn't work out in the end, when I interviewed with Google in Dublin despite the fact that there were the usual interview questions we had some quite nice discussions and it was rather pleasant.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784498</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785108</id>
	<title>Re:Interview tips at Mega-Corps</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1263555600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, I thought the article was wrong on this point:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>But what does it take to beat off hundreds, if not thousands, of fellow applicants and land a job at one of the tech elite?</p></div><p>You're supposed to do that to your potential bosses, not your fellow applicants.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I thought the article was wrong on this point : But what does it take to beat off hundreds , if not thousands , of fellow applicants and land a job at one of the tech elite ? You 're supposed to do that to your potential bosses , not your fellow applicants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I thought the article was wrong on this point:But what does it take to beat off hundreds, if not thousands, of fellow applicants and land a job at one of the tech elite?You're supposed to do that to your potential bosses, not your fellow applicants.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784602</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785384</id>
	<title>Re:That's the nature of money... and you need it.</title>
	<author>Red Flayer</author>
	<datestamp>1263557280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know where you stand on economic policy in general...<br> <br>But if you agree with the quote you've provided<blockquote><div><p>But not gold silver, and paper money; they can be held virtually without cost. It is this privileged position of the moneyholder over everyone else (except landholders) in the marketplace that gives rise to interest (monetary).</p></div></blockquote><p> doesn't ongoing inflation reduce the privileged position of the moneyholder over those who are selling labor?  Does inflation not serve a useful purpose in providing a more equal footing for those without amassed gold or paper?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know where you stand on economic policy in general... But if you agree with the quote you 've providedBut not gold silver , and paper money ; they can be held virtually without cost .
It is this privileged position of the moneyholder over everyone else ( except landholders ) in the marketplace that gives rise to interest ( monetary ) .
does n't ongoing inflation reduce the privileged position of the moneyholder over those who are selling labor ?
Does inflation not serve a useful purpose in providing a more equal footing for those without amassed gold or paper ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know where you stand on economic policy in general... But if you agree with the quote you've providedBut not gold silver, and paper money; they can be held virtually without cost.
It is this privileged position of the moneyholder over everyone else (except landholders) in the marketplace that gives rise to interest (monetary).
doesn't ongoing inflation reduce the privileged position of the moneyholder over those who are selling labor?
Does inflation not serve a useful purpose in providing a more equal footing for those without amassed gold or paper?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784902</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785830</id>
	<title>Re:How? The better question is WHY?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263559800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree completely. I have run the gamut, working at a 300k+ megacorp, 2 ~30k megacorps, a 1000 person firm, a 30 person firm, and an 8 man startup. Smaller is better in almost every way on a day to day basis. The bigger firms tend to have better benefits when it comes to things like 401k matching and vacation time, but thats pretty much where the benefits end.</p><p>Every small firm I have worked at, I have felt that I was more challenged, and did more meaningful work, and contributed to the bottom line in a direct, easily measurable way. The atmosphere is much more family-like, where you all depend on each other, and can bring your friends/family and often even your dog into the office without a problem (security polices at megacorp generally don't allow this, and if they do, you have to go through the hassle of signing them in, getting them visitors passes that they have to get photographed for, etc). My gf is in sales and would always stop in and say hello when she was in the area, and I knew my coworkers families, etc. Megacorp only has shitty free coffee for its employees and vending machines, every small firm I have worked at has had a well stocked kitchen with healthy and no so healthy snacks, drinks, and you could ask the office manager to buy anything within reason and she would, Ditto that on office supplies- want a whiteboard for your cube and have a hang up about only using uniball pens- not a problem, but at Megacorp, you will get whatever is standard issue in the supply closet, where they may actually lock it up and monitor you while get supplies.</p><p>Did you just read a blog post at Megacorp about google's sparse\_hash hash map library and want to download it and try it out to see if it really delivers on its increased performance over your compiler's stl implementation? Well hold on there will rodger, if you are even allowed to get past websense and get to the download site, there will undoubtedly be restrictions on your ability to get the code into your local dev environment, and even it offers a 5x speed up in your app's most critical area, you are going to have a weeks long battle to get the library's use approved, and a large part of that will be convincing the "architect" whose nose has been up in the air so long he hasn't been able to read a technical book in the last 5 years, that it was his idea. Innovation doesn't come from the unanointed, didn't you get that memo? Meanwhile, over at the startup, I had the code integrated as soon as I verified it passed our unit tests.</p><p>Meanwhile, over in megacorp land, you just got an email about a ticket being opened speaking something about how some operations person in singapore can't get his pipes to work properly even though he bashes them properly and the script shell greps just fine and CUSTOMER IMPACT. The ticket has been opened for a week, and you can see xioahu ping was getting pissy and reassigned it to you because it was ignored by your coworker. Singapore is almost exactly 12 hours out of whack with your schedule, meaning your work hours don't overlap at all- looks like there is going to be some OT to get this worked out.  Meanwhile, at the startup, the ops guy who makes sure the system hums just yells out to the sys admin to grant his process privileges to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/var/log and the problem is resolved in under 3 minutes.</p><p>You are given a project at megacorp, and you think the db backend should be postgresql because you like its grown up transaction features and don't need all the crap from Oracle. However, policies at megacorp demand that you use one of their approved vendors that they already have a license for, and you have to talk to the DBA team to provision your database and push the paperwork for the appropriate chargebacks to be put in, and there is a 3 week lead time to get all the work done. Meanwhile, at the startup, you take a box with spare capacity, throw postgresql on it, and in a few hours you have a development server up and running and tell the admin to put in a purchase order for some DB servers.</p><p>You</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree completely .
I have run the gamut , working at a 300k + megacorp , 2 ~ 30k megacorps , a 1000 person firm , a 30 person firm , and an 8 man startup .
Smaller is better in almost every way on a day to day basis .
The bigger firms tend to have better benefits when it comes to things like 401k matching and vacation time , but thats pretty much where the benefits end.Every small firm I have worked at , I have felt that I was more challenged , and did more meaningful work , and contributed to the bottom line in a direct , easily measurable way .
The atmosphere is much more family-like , where you all depend on each other , and can bring your friends/family and often even your dog into the office without a problem ( security polices at megacorp generally do n't allow this , and if they do , you have to go through the hassle of signing them in , getting them visitors passes that they have to get photographed for , etc ) .
My gf is in sales and would always stop in and say hello when she was in the area , and I knew my coworkers families , etc .
Megacorp only has shitty free coffee for its employees and vending machines , every small firm I have worked at has had a well stocked kitchen with healthy and no so healthy snacks , drinks , and you could ask the office manager to buy anything within reason and she would , Ditto that on office supplies- want a whiteboard for your cube and have a hang up about only using uniball pens- not a problem , but at Megacorp , you will get whatever is standard issue in the supply closet , where they may actually lock it up and monitor you while get supplies.Did you just read a blog post at Megacorp about google 's sparse \ _hash hash map library and want to download it and try it out to see if it really delivers on its increased performance over your compiler 's stl implementation ?
Well hold on there will rodger , if you are even allowed to get past websense and get to the download site , there will undoubtedly be restrictions on your ability to get the code into your local dev environment , and even it offers a 5x speed up in your app 's most critical area , you are going to have a weeks long battle to get the library 's use approved , and a large part of that will be convincing the " architect " whose nose has been up in the air so long he has n't been able to read a technical book in the last 5 years , that it was his idea .
Innovation does n't come from the unanointed , did n't you get that memo ?
Meanwhile , over at the startup , I had the code integrated as soon as I verified it passed our unit tests.Meanwhile , over in megacorp land , you just got an email about a ticket being opened speaking something about how some operations person in singapore ca n't get his pipes to work properly even though he bashes them properly and the script shell greps just fine and CUSTOMER IMPACT .
The ticket has been opened for a week , and you can see xioahu ping was getting pissy and reassigned it to you because it was ignored by your coworker .
Singapore is almost exactly 12 hours out of whack with your schedule , meaning your work hours do n't overlap at all- looks like there is going to be some OT to get this worked out .
Meanwhile , at the startup , the ops guy who makes sure the system hums just yells out to the sys admin to grant his process privileges to /var/log and the problem is resolved in under 3 minutes.You are given a project at megacorp , and you think the db backend should be postgresql because you like its grown up transaction features and do n't need all the crap from Oracle .
However , policies at megacorp demand that you use one of their approved vendors that they already have a license for , and you have to talk to the DBA team to provision your database and push the paperwork for the appropriate chargebacks to be put in , and there is a 3 week lead time to get all the work done .
Meanwhile , at the startup , you take a box with spare capacity , throw postgresql on it , and in a few hours you have a development server up and running and tell the admin to put in a purchase order for some DB servers.You</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree completely.
I have run the gamut, working at a 300k+ megacorp, 2 ~30k megacorps, a 1000 person firm, a 30 person firm, and an 8 man startup.
Smaller is better in almost every way on a day to day basis.
The bigger firms tend to have better benefits when it comes to things like 401k matching and vacation time, but thats pretty much where the benefits end.Every small firm I have worked at, I have felt that I was more challenged, and did more meaningful work, and contributed to the bottom line in a direct, easily measurable way.
The atmosphere is much more family-like, where you all depend on each other, and can bring your friends/family and often even your dog into the office without a problem (security polices at megacorp generally don't allow this, and if they do, you have to go through the hassle of signing them in, getting them visitors passes that they have to get photographed for, etc).
My gf is in sales and would always stop in and say hello when she was in the area, and I knew my coworkers families, etc.
Megacorp only has shitty free coffee for its employees and vending machines, every small firm I have worked at has had a well stocked kitchen with healthy and no so healthy snacks, drinks, and you could ask the office manager to buy anything within reason and she would, Ditto that on office supplies- want a whiteboard for your cube and have a hang up about only using uniball pens- not a problem, but at Megacorp, you will get whatever is standard issue in the supply closet, where they may actually lock it up and monitor you while get supplies.Did you just read a blog post at Megacorp about google's sparse\_hash hash map library and want to download it and try it out to see if it really delivers on its increased performance over your compiler's stl implementation?
Well hold on there will rodger, if you are even allowed to get past websense and get to the download site, there will undoubtedly be restrictions on your ability to get the code into your local dev environment, and even it offers a 5x speed up in your app's most critical area, you are going to have a weeks long battle to get the library's use approved, and a large part of that will be convincing the "architect" whose nose has been up in the air so long he hasn't been able to read a technical book in the last 5 years, that it was his idea.
Innovation doesn't come from the unanointed, didn't you get that memo?
Meanwhile, over at the startup, I had the code integrated as soon as I verified it passed our unit tests.Meanwhile, over in megacorp land, you just got an email about a ticket being opened speaking something about how some operations person in singapore can't get his pipes to work properly even though he bashes them properly and the script shell greps just fine and CUSTOMER IMPACT.
The ticket has been opened for a week, and you can see xioahu ping was getting pissy and reassigned it to you because it was ignored by your coworker.
Singapore is almost exactly 12 hours out of whack with your schedule, meaning your work hours don't overlap at all- looks like there is going to be some OT to get this worked out.
Meanwhile, at the startup, the ops guy who makes sure the system hums just yells out to the sys admin to grant his process privileges to /var/log and the problem is resolved in under 3 minutes.You are given a project at megacorp, and you think the db backend should be postgresql because you like its grown up transaction features and don't need all the crap from Oracle.
However, policies at megacorp demand that you use one of their approved vendors that they already have a license for, and you have to talk to the DBA team to provision your database and push the paperwork for the appropriate chargebacks to be put in, and there is a 3 week lead time to get all the work done.
Meanwhile, at the startup, you take a box with spare capacity, throw postgresql on it, and in a few hours you have a development server up and running and tell the admin to put in a purchase order for some DB servers.You</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784776</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785808</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>magusnet</author>
	<datestamp>1263559680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... supposedly have great salaries, but what is your soul worth?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>Did you want to know the annual or hourly rate my soul is worth?</p><p>--Mike</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... supposedly have great salaries , but what is your soul worth ?
...Did you want to know the annual or hourly rate my soul is worth ? --Mike</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... supposedly have great salaries, but what is your soul worth?
...Did you want to know the annual or hourly rate my soul is worth?--Mike
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784580</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784580</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>COMON$</author>
	<datestamp>1263552840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>SMB all the way.  Unless you enjoy either having your spine ripped out, or relentlessly climbing the corporate ladder.  I guess they supposedly have great salaries, but what is your soul worth?  I have yet to find a corp that can beat the perks of working for a successful SMB.  We need another article called how to break free of the giants.</htmltext>
<tokenext>SMB all the way .
Unless you enjoy either having your spine ripped out , or relentlessly climbing the corporate ladder .
I guess they supposedly have great salaries , but what is your soul worth ?
I have yet to find a corp that can beat the perks of working for a successful SMB .
We need another article called how to break free of the giants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SMB all the way.
Unless you enjoy either having your spine ripped out, or relentlessly climbing the corporate ladder.
I guess they supposedly have great salaries, but what is your soul worth?
I have yet to find a corp that can beat the perks of working for a successful SMB.
We need another article called how to break free of the giants.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785446</id>
	<title>Ahh, naive young students</title>
	<author>Singularity42</author>
	<datestamp>1263557580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fresh out of college, bright-eyed young students almost always assume that the real world is all about who you know.  Older, more experienced engineers know better--what you know is also important.  It's age-old, the young nerds dream of politics while the old ones dream of interesting problems.</p><p>I got my job myself at a megacorp without knowing anyone (cold application to website).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fresh out of college , bright-eyed young students almost always assume that the real world is all about who you know .
Older , more experienced engineers know better--what you know is also important .
It 's age-old , the young nerds dream of politics while the old ones dream of interesting problems.I got my job myself at a megacorp without knowing anyone ( cold application to website ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fresh out of college, bright-eyed young students almost always assume that the real world is all about who you know.
Older, more experienced engineers know better--what you know is also important.
It's age-old, the young nerds dream of politics while the old ones dream of interesting problems.I got my job myself at a megacorp without knowing anyone (cold application to website).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785642</id>
	<title>Moving from Apple Retail to Apple products...</title>
	<author>tlambert</author>
	<datestamp>1263558540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Moving from Apple Retail to Apple products...</p><p>"You didn't get a job in Apple Retail expecting to move up to working on Apple products did you? If so that would be the saddest thing I've heard in a while"</p><p>Obviously, you aren't an Apple employee, and you haven't really used Google without declaring this.</p><p>If you are an Apple Retail employee already, ask your HR person about the  "Apple Retail Corporate (ARC) Exchange program".  I know at least seven people who are working in Core OS, or on products like "Numbers" or "Final Cut Pro", etc., who started out as Apple Retail employees, and those are just the people I know personally.  If you are qualified, it's relatively easy to get what is effectively an internship, either coming from the store to corporate, or going from corporate to the store.  If I recall correctly, in fact, an HR manager from corporate is now the manager of the "flagship" New York Apple Store.</p><p>-- Terry</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Moving from Apple Retail to Apple products... " You did n't get a job in Apple Retail expecting to move up to working on Apple products did you ?
If so that would be the saddest thing I 've heard in a while " Obviously , you are n't an Apple employee , and you have n't really used Google without declaring this.If you are an Apple Retail employee already , ask your HR person about the " Apple Retail Corporate ( ARC ) Exchange program " .
I know at least seven people who are working in Core OS , or on products like " Numbers " or " Final Cut Pro " , etc. , who started out as Apple Retail employees , and those are just the people I know personally .
If you are qualified , it 's relatively easy to get what is effectively an internship , either coming from the store to corporate , or going from corporate to the store .
If I recall correctly , in fact , an HR manager from corporate is now the manager of the " flagship " New York Apple Store.-- Terry</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Moving from Apple Retail to Apple products..."You didn't get a job in Apple Retail expecting to move up to working on Apple products did you?
If so that would be the saddest thing I've heard in a while"Obviously, you aren't an Apple employee, and you haven't really used Google without declaring this.If you are an Apple Retail employee already, ask your HR person about the  "Apple Retail Corporate (ARC) Exchange program".
I know at least seven people who are working in Core OS, or on products like "Numbers" or "Final Cut Pro", etc., who started out as Apple Retail employees, and those are just the people I know personally.
If you are qualified, it's relatively easy to get what is effectively an internship, either coming from the store to corporate, or going from corporate to the store.
If I recall correctly, in fact, an HR manager from corporate is now the manager of the "flagship" New York Apple Store.-- Terry</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785068</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785746</id>
	<title>Re:How? The better question is WHY?</title>
	<author>Austerity Empowers</author>
	<datestamp>1263559080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Why would anyone WANT a job at a megacorp?</i></p><p>False, they are continuously bombarded with resumes and people to fill your shoes. Many have a policy of firing the bottom 10\% every year, you may think "not me", but that bottom 10\% often includes really good people. They were just at the bottom of a particular deck shuffle, or got placed under a particularly dimwitted manager, etc.</p><p>No if you're in a megacorp you're there because you either are interested in what they do, or are attracted by the huge amounts of cash they can spend on technologies you want to work with (which small companies could not). Small companies I've looked at usually don't do the most exciting work, though probably I'd be happier in one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would anyone WANT a job at a megacorp ? False , they are continuously bombarded with resumes and people to fill your shoes .
Many have a policy of firing the bottom 10 \ % every year , you may think " not me " , but that bottom 10 \ % often includes really good people .
They were just at the bottom of a particular deck shuffle , or got placed under a particularly dimwitted manager , etc.No if you 're in a megacorp you 're there because you either are interested in what they do , or are attracted by the huge amounts of cash they can spend on technologies you want to work with ( which small companies could not ) .
Small companies I 've looked at usually do n't do the most exciting work , though probably I 'd be happier in one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would anyone WANT a job at a megacorp?False, they are continuously bombarded with resumes and people to fill your shoes.
Many have a policy of firing the bottom 10\% every year, you may think "not me", but that bottom 10\% often includes really good people.
They were just at the bottom of a particular deck shuffle, or got placed under a particularly dimwitted manager, etc.No if you're in a megacorp you're there because you either are interested in what they do, or are attracted by the huge amounts of cash they can spend on technologies you want to work with (which small companies could not).
Small companies I've looked at usually don't do the most exciting work, though probably I'd be happier in one.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784776</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784958</id>
	<title>Back when we were being prepped...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263554820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>During my MBA recruitment prepping this was a story we were told....</p><p>Big mega corp asks interviewee, "How many baby diapers were sold last year?"</p><p>Interviewee: "Well, there are 300 million people in the US, 20\% childbearing age, and of those roughly a third have babies. So that's 20 million babies. A baby needs at least 2 changes per day so that's 730 diapers per baby. Times 20 million that's 1,460 billion diapers each year."</p><p>She got the job even though she pulled every fucking number out of her ass - I checked later. Why? Because they wanted to know how she thought.</p><p>Now you know how big-corps get people that make moronic decisions for big bucks.</p><p>Me? I would have just googled the fucking number and come up with a number that was, oh, I don't know, ACCURATE?! Nope, wrong answer - they want to see how you "think".</p><p>You see, most of the interviewers get their techniques and questions from the an flight magazine or from the Management Guru du jour's book that's on the Wall Street Journal's web site. So, kids, look at the best seller list, read the fucking things, parrot what you read  and you're in.</p><p>Big corps devolve into stupidity after a while.</p><p>The best fucking tech interview I ever had was by a manager that reminded me of Bernie Mack. He asked, "What would you do if you didn't know what we were doing in some areas?"</p><p>I replied, "Go to Borders that night, buy a book on it and start cramming."</p><p>Right answer! He left to become Mr. Mom - his wife was an MD.</p><p>I HATE corporate life but in this economy, there's not much of a choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>During my MBA recruitment prepping this was a story we were told....Big mega corp asks interviewee , " How many baby diapers were sold last year ?
" Interviewee : " Well , there are 300 million people in the US , 20 \ % childbearing age , and of those roughly a third have babies .
So that 's 20 million babies .
A baby needs at least 2 changes per day so that 's 730 diapers per baby .
Times 20 million that 's 1,460 billion diapers each year .
" She got the job even though she pulled every fucking number out of her ass - I checked later .
Why ? Because they wanted to know how she thought.Now you know how big-corps get people that make moronic decisions for big bucks.Me ?
I would have just googled the fucking number and come up with a number that was , oh , I do n't know , ACCURATE ? !
Nope , wrong answer - they want to see how you " think " .You see , most of the interviewers get their techniques and questions from the an flight magazine or from the Management Guru du jour 's book that 's on the Wall Street Journal 's web site .
So , kids , look at the best seller list , read the fucking things , parrot what you read and you 're in.Big corps devolve into stupidity after a while.The best fucking tech interview I ever had was by a manager that reminded me of Bernie Mack .
He asked , " What would you do if you did n't know what we were doing in some areas ?
" I replied , " Go to Borders that night , buy a book on it and start cramming .
" Right answer !
He left to become Mr. Mom - his wife was an MD.I HATE corporate life but in this economy , there 's not much of a choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>During my MBA recruitment prepping this was a story we were told....Big mega corp asks interviewee, "How many baby diapers were sold last year?
"Interviewee: "Well, there are 300 million people in the US, 20\% childbearing age, and of those roughly a third have babies.
So that's 20 million babies.
A baby needs at least 2 changes per day so that's 730 diapers per baby.
Times 20 million that's 1,460 billion diapers each year.
"She got the job even though she pulled every fucking number out of her ass - I checked later.
Why? Because they wanted to know how she thought.Now you know how big-corps get people that make moronic decisions for big bucks.Me?
I would have just googled the fucking number and come up with a number that was, oh, I don't know, ACCURATE?!
Nope, wrong answer - they want to see how you "think".You see, most of the interviewers get their techniques and questions from the an flight magazine or from the Management Guru du jour's book that's on the Wall Street Journal's web site.
So, kids, look at the best seller list, read the fucking things, parrot what you read  and you're in.Big corps devolve into stupidity after a while.The best fucking tech interview I ever had was by a manager that reminded me of Bernie Mack.
He asked, "What would you do if you didn't know what we were doing in some areas?
"I replied, "Go to Borders that night, buy a book on it and start cramming.
"Right answer!
He left to become Mr. Mom - his wife was an MD.I HATE corporate life but in this economy, there's not much of a choice.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784528</id>
	<title>Be persistent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263552600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have an interview with one of them next week. My tips:</p><p>* Don't give up. Be persistent in contacting with recruiting managers.<br>* Create a network. Do you know people there? I know many people who work for all of them.</p><p>Pretty simple, IMO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an interview with one of them next week .
My tips : * Do n't give up .
Be persistent in contacting with recruiting managers .
* Create a network .
Do you know people there ?
I know many people who work for all of them.Pretty simple , IMO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an interview with one of them next week.
My tips:* Don't give up.
Be persistent in contacting with recruiting managers.
* Create a network.
Do you know people there?
I know many people who work for all of them.Pretty simple, IMO.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784758</id>
	<title>caution</title>
	<author>Lord Ender</author>
	<datestamp>1263553860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MegaCorps suck the souls out of employees, as they wither away doing the same thing day after day while being accosted constantly by wasteful internal politics. The best of the MegaCorps, like Google, will even give you "20\% time" so that they can own the rights to your own best ideas.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MegaCorps suck the souls out of employees , as they wither away doing the same thing day after day while being accosted constantly by wasteful internal politics .
The best of the MegaCorps , like Google , will even give you " 20 \ % time " so that they can own the rights to your own best ideas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MegaCorps suck the souls out of employees, as they wither away doing the same thing day after day while being accosted constantly by wasteful internal politics.
The best of the MegaCorps, like Google, will even give you "20\% time" so that they can own the rights to your own best ideas.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785186</id>
	<title>Pensions are dead</title>
	<author>qbzzt</author>
	<datestamp>1263556020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With the current demographics (rise in longevity, rise in medical expenses to achieve said longevity, and drop in family size), retirement is no longer economically viable. Companies don't want to be responsible for something that will be really difficult to impossible to provide.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the current demographics ( rise in longevity , rise in medical expenses to achieve said longevity , and drop in family size ) , retirement is no longer economically viable .
Companies do n't want to be responsible for something that will be really difficult to impossible to provide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the current demographics (rise in longevity, rise in medical expenses to achieve said longevity, and drop in family size), retirement is no longer economically viable.
Companies don't want to be responsible for something that will be really difficult to impossible to provide.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784774</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786714</id>
	<title>Re:Freelance decker</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1263566100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Think about what a person in a 30 people tribe (or your group of friends and family) can do and not do, versus what someone in a 300,000 people corporation can do and not do, and you know what I mean.</i></p><p>Agree on what toppings to get on the pizzas?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Think about what a person in a 30 people tribe ( or your group of friends and family ) can do and not do , versus what someone in a 300,000 people corporation can do and not do , and you know what I mean.Agree on what toppings to get on the pizzas ?
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Think about what a person in a 30 people tribe (or your group of friends and family) can do and not do, versus what someone in a 300,000 people corporation can do and not do, and you know what I mean.Agree on what toppings to get on the pizzas?
;-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785700</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787218</id>
	<title>Re:Other words...</title>
	<author>Profane MuthaFucka</author>
	<datestamp>1263571020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll countermand reason #1. Large companies are perfect places to hide.</p><p>(large consulting company) has 3 ratings. 3,2,1. 3 means you suck, 2 means you're good, and 1 means you're awesome.</p><p>If you get 2's, you're solid. Good for another year. So basically you just need to do the minimum required to get a 2, which isn't much.</p><p>Every project in global consulting has a different PM. Mostly they don't know you, and you don't know them. They work halfway around the world. Everyone's working at home in their underwear anyway.</p><p>It's an ideal situation. Just today I watched two old episodes of Dr. Who while I worked on another machine on my appointed task. I know I'm good because HR communicated to me yesterday that I have a 2. Safe for another year.</p><p>For the record, the previous story most likely is fiction, and since speech is protected, even for (large consulting company) employees, my fictional account of my work performance, is only a joke. It won't hold up in court, or at least I hope it won't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll countermand reason # 1 .
Large companies are perfect places to hide .
( large consulting company ) has 3 ratings .
3,2,1. 3 means you suck , 2 means you 're good , and 1 means you 're awesome.If you get 2 's , you 're solid .
Good for another year .
So basically you just need to do the minimum required to get a 2 , which is n't much.Every project in global consulting has a different PM .
Mostly they do n't know you , and you do n't know them .
They work halfway around the world .
Everyone 's working at home in their underwear anyway.It 's an ideal situation .
Just today I watched two old episodes of Dr. Who while I worked on another machine on my appointed task .
I know I 'm good because HR communicated to me yesterday that I have a 2 .
Safe for another year.For the record , the previous story most likely is fiction , and since speech is protected , even for ( large consulting company ) employees , my fictional account of my work performance , is only a joke .
It wo n't hold up in court , or at least I hope it wo n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll countermand reason #1.
Large companies are perfect places to hide.
(large consulting company) has 3 ratings.
3,2,1. 3 means you suck, 2 means you're good, and 1 means you're awesome.If you get 2's, you're solid.
Good for another year.
So basically you just need to do the minimum required to get a 2, which isn't much.Every project in global consulting has a different PM.
Mostly they don't know you, and you don't know them.
They work halfway around the world.
Everyone's working at home in their underwear anyway.It's an ideal situation.
Just today I watched two old episodes of Dr. Who while I worked on another machine on my appointed task.
I know I'm good because HR communicated to me yesterday that I have a 2.
Safe for another year.For the record, the previous story most likely is fiction, and since speech is protected, even for (large consulting company) employees, my fictional account of my work performance, is only a joke.
It won't hold up in court, or at least I hope it won't.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786332</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784902</id>
	<title>That's the nature of money... and you need it.</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1263554520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You starve and die on the streets without it, and they have it.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>"Laborers and holders of goods and services must sell today for labor and its products parish, decay, rot, get lost, take up space for storage, and invite destruction from a thousand different causes. But not gold silver, and paper money; they can be held virtually without cost. It is this privileged position of the moneyholder over everyone else (except landholders) in the marketplace that gives rise to interest (monetary). "</p><p><a href="http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/newland-terry\_on-silvio-gesell.html" title="cooperativ...ualism.org">http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/newland-terry\_on-silvio-gesell.html</a> [cooperativ...ualism.org]</p> </div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You starve and die on the streets without it , and they have it .
" Laborers and holders of goods and services must sell today for labor and its products parish , decay , rot , get lost , take up space for storage , and invite destruction from a thousand different causes .
But not gold silver , and paper money ; they can be held virtually without cost .
It is this privileged position of the moneyholder over everyone else ( except landholders ) in the marketplace that gives rise to interest ( monetary ) .
" http : //www.cooperativeindividualism.org/newland-terry \ _on-silvio-gesell.html [ cooperativ...ualism.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You starve and die on the streets without it, and they have it.
"Laborers and holders of goods and services must sell today for labor and its products parish, decay, rot, get lost, take up space for storage, and invite destruction from a thousand different causes.
But not gold silver, and paper money; they can be held virtually without cost.
It is this privileged position of the moneyholder over everyone else (except landholders) in the marketplace that gives rise to interest (monetary).
"http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/newland-terry\_on-silvio-gesell.html [cooperativ...ualism.org] 
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784498</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785176</id>
	<title>Re:First, be a foreigner</title>
	<author>MightyMait</author>
	<datestamp>1263556020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One of the reasons I work for county government rather than private industry is the pension.  I make less up-front, but I like the idea of a steady income when/if I retire.  Of course, there's always the nagging fear that the pension will disappear before I get a chance to collect it...</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the reasons I work for county government rather than private industry is the pension .
I make less up-front , but I like the idea of a steady income when/if I retire .
Of course , there 's always the nagging fear that the pension will disappear before I get a chance to collect it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the reasons I work for county government rather than private industry is the pension.
I make less up-front, but I like the idea of a steady income when/if I retire.
Of course, there's always the nagging fear that the pension will disappear before I get a chance to collect it...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784774</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785538</id>
	<title>This doesn't make sense</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1263558000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So these big companies get hundreds/thousands of CVs/Resumes per job yet they're still always asking for higher limits on H1-B visas because they can't find anyone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So these big companies get hundreds/thousands of CVs/Resumes per job yet they 're still always asking for higher limits on H1-B visas because they ca n't find anyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So these big companies get hundreds/thousands of CVs/Resumes per job yet they're still always asking for higher limits on H1-B visas because they can't find anyone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784466</id>
	<title>Other words...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263552360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>don't do it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>do n't do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>don't do it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787154</id>
	<title>Start at the bottom</title>
	<author>DaFallus</author>
	<datestamp>1263570180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Depending where you are in your career, it might be easier to just start out at the bottom. I don't currently work for a "Mega-Corp" but I did intern at one for a few years back in my university days. Often times it is much easier to get your foot in the door doing some menial job like data entry or QC and then slowly work your way up the ladder. However, from my experience I believe this will only work up to a point. Usually there is a dead zone in the corporate structure where the executives and upper management decide to not promote from within but to hire cronies, or the children of their cronies, from outside the organization. Just my limited observation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Depending where you are in your career , it might be easier to just start out at the bottom .
I do n't currently work for a " Mega-Corp " but I did intern at one for a few years back in my university days .
Often times it is much easier to get your foot in the door doing some menial job like data entry or QC and then slowly work your way up the ladder .
However , from my experience I believe this will only work up to a point .
Usually there is a dead zone in the corporate structure where the executives and upper management decide to not promote from within but to hire cronies , or the children of their cronies , from outside the organization .
Just my limited observation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depending where you are in your career, it might be easier to just start out at the bottom.
I don't currently work for a "Mega-Corp" but I did intern at one for a few years back in my university days.
Often times it is much easier to get your foot in the door doing some menial job like data entry or QC and then slowly work your way up the ladder.
However, from my experience I believe this will only work up to a point.
Usually there is a dead zone in the corporate structure where the executives and upper management decide to not promote from within but to hire cronies, or the children of their cronies, from outside the organization.
Just my limited observation.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786044</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263561240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All true. However, lets not discount the valuable lessons (both socially and professionally) learned when working for an SMB. If all you do is work for a large mega-corp, you will more often than not be just another cog in the machine. While your role may be important, it's also very limited and compartmentalized.</p><p>I highly recommend working for an SMB when your younger to obtain those skills early on, then go after a mega-corp for smooth sailing. Should you be out on the street without a job later in life, you can feel confident in your abilities to find a new one. For better or worse, you might even have the skill-set to start your own company or small partnership.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All true .
However , lets not discount the valuable lessons ( both socially and professionally ) learned when working for an SMB .
If all you do is work for a large mega-corp , you will more often than not be just another cog in the machine .
While your role may be important , it 's also very limited and compartmentalized.I highly recommend working for an SMB when your younger to obtain those skills early on , then go after a mega-corp for smooth sailing .
Should you be out on the street without a job later in life , you can feel confident in your abilities to find a new one .
For better or worse , you might even have the skill-set to start your own company or small partnership .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All true.
However, lets not discount the valuable lessons (both socially and professionally) learned when working for an SMB.
If all you do is work for a large mega-corp, you will more often than not be just another cog in the machine.
While your role may be important, it's also very limited and compartmentalized.I highly recommend working for an SMB when your younger to obtain those skills early on, then go after a mega-corp for smooth sailing.
Should you be out on the street without a job later in life, you can feel confident in your abilities to find a new one.
For better or worse, you might even have the skill-set to start your own company or small partnership.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784876</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785888</id>
	<title>Re:Megacorp aside... innovative jobs instead...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263560220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah okay.  So how do people like me -- I'm not necessarily "the best", but I am a good and competent programmer, and with enough practice and experience I can become a great asset to any organization -- get their foot in the door?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah okay .
So how do people like me -- I 'm not necessarily " the best " , but I am a good and competent programmer , and with enough practice and experience I can become a great asset to any organization -- get their foot in the door ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah okay.
So how do people like me -- I'm not necessarily "the best", but I am a good and competent programmer, and with enough practice and experience I can become a great asset to any organization -- get their foot in the door?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784798</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786820</id>
	<title>Re:Find a Recruiter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263566820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a contractor for a very large telecom, I had more job security than the employees around me. See, I actually DID SOME WORK.  Every six months, I was brought into my bosses' boss's office and pitched to "join the team."  I always said, thank you, but I like our current arrangement. If I wanted a little raise, I'd start looking for another job and somehow they'd know. $3/hr more in my next contract period.  I saw my group go from 14 to 140 and back down to 30 in that time. Of all those people, only about 20 earned my respect since they could actually do the job.</p><p>After 9 years and a buyout by another MEGA-Telecom, the company finally got some balls and refused to renew my contract. They offered a perm position, I refused. They did try to do a emergency extension, but I'd already made vacation plans.  I should have left 5 yrs earlier and I knew it. I had already saved my "screw you money" and never need to work again.</p><p>So, go in as a contractor, milk the rate for all it is worth, save your money, and if you must - only if you must, take the permanent job.  Otherwise, when the ride is over, go on a sabbatical for a few years and "find yourself." It has been wonderful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a contractor for a very large telecom , I had more job security than the employees around me .
See , I actually DID SOME WORK .
Every six months , I was brought into my bosses ' boss 's office and pitched to " join the team .
" I always said , thank you , but I like our current arrangement .
If I wanted a little raise , I 'd start looking for another job and somehow they 'd know .
$ 3/hr more in my next contract period .
I saw my group go from 14 to 140 and back down to 30 in that time .
Of all those people , only about 20 earned my respect since they could actually do the job.After 9 years and a buyout by another MEGA-Telecom , the company finally got some balls and refused to renew my contract .
They offered a perm position , I refused .
They did try to do a emergency extension , but I 'd already made vacation plans .
I should have left 5 yrs earlier and I knew it .
I had already saved my " screw you money " and never need to work again.So , go in as a contractor , milk the rate for all it is worth , save your money , and if you must - only if you must , take the permanent job .
Otherwise , when the ride is over , go on a sabbatical for a few years and " find yourself .
" It has been wonderful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a contractor for a very large telecom, I had more job security than the employees around me.
See, I actually DID SOME WORK.
Every six months, I was brought into my bosses' boss's office and pitched to "join the team.
"  I always said, thank you, but I like our current arrangement.
If I wanted a little raise, I'd start looking for another job and somehow they'd know.
$3/hr more in my next contract period.
I saw my group go from 14 to 140 and back down to 30 in that time.
Of all those people, only about 20 earned my respect since they could actually do the job.After 9 years and a buyout by another MEGA-Telecom, the company finally got some balls and refused to renew my contract.
They offered a perm position, I refused.
They did try to do a emergency extension, but I'd already made vacation plans.
I should have left 5 yrs earlier and I knew it.
I had already saved my "screw you money" and never need to work again.So, go in as a contractor, milk the rate for all it is worth, save your money, and if you must - only if you must, take the permanent job.
Otherwise, when the ride is over, go on a sabbatical for a few years and "find yourself.
" It has been wonderful.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784660</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30797320</id>
	<title>Re:Freelance decker</title>
	<author>Geminii</author>
	<datestamp>1263730860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait, there's someone on Slashdot who cares about social feedback?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , there 's someone on Slashdot who cares about social feedback ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, there's someone on Slashdot who cares about social feedback?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785700</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786598</id>
	<title>My advice depends on whether...</title>
	<author>elnyka</author>
	<datestamp>1263565140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My advice would depend on whether you are still at school or not<p>

If you are going to break into a megacorp, do it after you get your masters. A masters
doesn't necessarily mean you are a better programmer than one who only has a B.S. or even
a A.S. degree (I've seen M.S. grads who can't code their ways out of a for loop.).</p><p>

But it does help in establishing a career path into software leads, principal engineers or
software/system architects. Of course, the onus is on you for being able to delivering the
goods as well as being able to roll your sleeves and code and make things happen.</p><p>

Also, when in universities, get a job at their labs or do research, or do interships. That
is, accumulate work hours. </p><p>

<b>Now, if you are already out of school</b> and not working on a mega-corp, then go back
to school and finish a MS. Then apply. If you are good, you should be a hot catch (experience
and post-grad education.)</p><p>

That's my opinion now that I look back at my professional experience (having worked both
in small and big corps.) They way I see it, if you want to work on a mega-corp, do it with
the purpose of establishing a career path as a team lead or principal engineer. If it's just
for the love of coding, I would stay with small companies (or work as a consultant and milk
the OT.)</p><p>

Take that with a grain of salt. My opinion is extremelly personal and after ruminating about
what I like and I don't like about software work on small and big corps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My advice would depend on whether you are still at school or not If you are going to break into a megacorp , do it after you get your masters .
A masters does n't necessarily mean you are a better programmer than one who only has a B.S .
or even a A.S. degree ( I 've seen M.S .
grads who ca n't code their ways out of a for loop. ) .
But it does help in establishing a career path into software leads , principal engineers or software/system architects .
Of course , the onus is on you for being able to delivering the goods as well as being able to roll your sleeves and code and make things happen .
Also , when in universities , get a job at their labs or do research , or do interships .
That is , accumulate work hours .
Now , if you are already out of school and not working on a mega-corp , then go back to school and finish a MS. Then apply .
If you are good , you should be a hot catch ( experience and post-grad education .
) That 's my opinion now that I look back at my professional experience ( having worked both in small and big corps .
) They way I see it , if you want to work on a mega-corp , do it with the purpose of establishing a career path as a team lead or principal engineer .
If it 's just for the love of coding , I would stay with small companies ( or work as a consultant and milk the OT .
) Take that with a grain of salt .
My opinion is extremelly personal and after ruminating about what I like and I do n't like about software work on small and big corps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My advice would depend on whether you are still at school or not

If you are going to break into a megacorp, do it after you get your masters.
A masters
doesn't necessarily mean you are a better programmer than one who only has a B.S.
or even
a A.S. degree (I've seen M.S.
grads who can't code their ways out of a for loop.).
But it does help in establishing a career path into software leads, principal engineers or
software/system architects.
Of course, the onus is on you for being able to delivering the
goods as well as being able to roll your sleeves and code and make things happen.
Also, when in universities, get a job at their labs or do research, or do interships.
That
is, accumulate work hours.
Now, if you are already out of school and not working on a mega-corp, then go back
to school and finish a MS. Then apply.
If you are good, you should be a hot catch (experience
and post-grad education.
)

That's my opinion now that I look back at my professional experience (having worked both
in small and big corps.
) They way I see it, if you want to work on a mega-corp, do it with
the purpose of establishing a career path as a team lead or principal engineer.
If it's just
for the love of coding, I would stay with small companies (or work as a consultant and milk
the OT.
)

Take that with a grain of salt.
My opinion is extremelly personal and after ruminating about
what I like and I don't like about software work on small and big corps.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785068</id>
	<title>Re:Apple Retail IS NOT EQUAL to Apple</title>
	<author>kestasjk</author>
	<datestamp>1263555480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You didn't get a job in Apple Retail expecting to move up to working on Apple products did you? If so that would be the saddest thing I've heard in a while</htmltext>
<tokenext>You did n't get a job in Apple Retail expecting to move up to working on Apple products did you ?
If so that would be the saddest thing I 've heard in a while</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You didn't get a job in Apple Retail expecting to move up to working on Apple products did you?
If so that would be the saddest thing I've heard in a while</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784606</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785444</id>
	<title>Re:Nobody has thought of it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263557580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The fourth page says... to get a job, you need to talk relevant things during the interview.oh noes! I always talk about movies during interviews!</p></div><p>It might sound rather mindless, but you'd be surprised how many people don't do it well. In all sales, having a fat stack of powerpoints will <b>not</b> help you, in fact most sales should practically be made once you've been though the heaviest-hitting sales arguments on the first three slides. The same goes for interviews, those interviewing you are not writing a biography and don't want a generic who-am-I speech, they want your skills and your experience framed in the job they want you to do, quickly and to the point.</p><p>My preferred approach, unless it's an open application, is to ask for permission to present myself and make it basically a filtered presentation of myself. If I know I got weak spots then I make sure to at least know all the things I have to fill it with. If it's things I know but aren't that relevant, there will always be follow-ups when you've got them sold on your primaries. Also, where it's reasonable try saying how you worked and not just what you worked with, it'll lead to a discussion about your soft skills without them having to drag it out of you.</p><p>If you can give them an impression of your personality that way, it's always better than canned questions and canned answers, as most people have prepared something for the old chestnuts. Oh yeah, and stop talking in time and don't babble, if you've run out of points you're sure is relevant then stop. Pass the ball back to them, say that's you in brief and ask if this sounds interesting. I've not yet had an interviewer say no and I think saying it helps convince themselves.</p><p>One of my most hated parts are the personality tests. The are wired so that you must end up weak in some areas regardless of how you answer, and that is as much a test in itself. For example, I score low on competition, and when we talk about it I weigh heavily on the kind of "getting up by kicking others down" kind of competition, and rather balance it out with other highs that motivate me to deliver a top-notch result. Make your lows shallow and your highs even higher. I'm not saying it's all just talking the talk, but I did land a 125k$ job on Thursday so I must have done something right...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fourth page says... to get a job , you need to talk relevant things during the interview.oh noes !
I always talk about movies during interviews ! It might sound rather mindless , but you 'd be surprised how many people do n't do it well .
In all sales , having a fat stack of powerpoints will not help you , in fact most sales should practically be made once you 've been though the heaviest-hitting sales arguments on the first three slides .
The same goes for interviews , those interviewing you are not writing a biography and do n't want a generic who-am-I speech , they want your skills and your experience framed in the job they want you to do , quickly and to the point.My preferred approach , unless it 's an open application , is to ask for permission to present myself and make it basically a filtered presentation of myself .
If I know I got weak spots then I make sure to at least know all the things I have to fill it with .
If it 's things I know but are n't that relevant , there will always be follow-ups when you 've got them sold on your primaries .
Also , where it 's reasonable try saying how you worked and not just what you worked with , it 'll lead to a discussion about your soft skills without them having to drag it out of you.If you can give them an impression of your personality that way , it 's always better than canned questions and canned answers , as most people have prepared something for the old chestnuts .
Oh yeah , and stop talking in time and do n't babble , if you 've run out of points you 're sure is relevant then stop .
Pass the ball back to them , say that 's you in brief and ask if this sounds interesting .
I 've not yet had an interviewer say no and I think saying it helps convince themselves.One of my most hated parts are the personality tests .
The are wired so that you must end up weak in some areas regardless of how you answer , and that is as much a test in itself .
For example , I score low on competition , and when we talk about it I weigh heavily on the kind of " getting up by kicking others down " kind of competition , and rather balance it out with other highs that motivate me to deliver a top-notch result .
Make your lows shallow and your highs even higher .
I 'm not saying it 's all just talking the talk , but I did land a 125k $ job on Thursday so I must have done something right.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fourth page says... to get a job, you need to talk relevant things during the interview.oh noes!
I always talk about movies during interviews!It might sound rather mindless, but you'd be surprised how many people don't do it well.
In all sales, having a fat stack of powerpoints will not help you, in fact most sales should practically be made once you've been though the heaviest-hitting sales arguments on the first three slides.
The same goes for interviews, those interviewing you are not writing a biography and don't want a generic who-am-I speech, they want your skills and your experience framed in the job they want you to do, quickly and to the point.My preferred approach, unless it's an open application, is to ask for permission to present myself and make it basically a filtered presentation of myself.
If I know I got weak spots then I make sure to at least know all the things I have to fill it with.
If it's things I know but aren't that relevant, there will always be follow-ups when you've got them sold on your primaries.
Also, where it's reasonable try saying how you worked and not just what you worked with, it'll lead to a discussion about your soft skills without them having to drag it out of you.If you can give them an impression of your personality that way, it's always better than canned questions and canned answers, as most people have prepared something for the old chestnuts.
Oh yeah, and stop talking in time and don't babble, if you've run out of points you're sure is relevant then stop.
Pass the ball back to them, say that's you in brief and ask if this sounds interesting.
I've not yet had an interviewer say no and I think saying it helps convince themselves.One of my most hated parts are the personality tests.
The are wired so that you must end up weak in some areas regardless of how you answer, and that is as much a test in itself.
For example, I score low on competition, and when we talk about it I weigh heavily on the kind of "getting up by kicking others down" kind of competition, and rather balance it out with other highs that motivate me to deliver a top-notch result.
Make your lows shallow and your highs even higher.
I'm not saying it's all just talking the talk, but I did land a 125k$ job on Thursday so I must have done something right...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784598</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784608</id>
	<title>Get Acquired</title>
	<author>istartedi</author>
	<datestamp>1263552960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been at "megacorps" twice.
Both times by acquisition.</p><p>With so few megas, and so many minis, why
bother?  Just look for a good job.  Sooner or
later the megacorps will acquire your employer.
Then you can decide if you actually like the
megacorp.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been at " megacorps " twice .
Both times by acquisition.With so few megas , and so many minis , why bother ?
Just look for a good job .
Sooner or later the megacorps will acquire your employer .
Then you can decide if you actually like the megacorp .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been at "megacorps" twice.
Both times by acquisition.With so few megas, and so many minis, why
bother?
Just look for a good job.
Sooner or
later the megacorps will acquire your employer.
Then you can decide if you actually like the
megacorp.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30837876</id>
	<title>Biggest Hitlers</title>
	<author>XLR8DST8</author>
	<datestamp>1263983280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"now could be the perfect time to land a job at one of computing's biggest Hitlers."

-am i the only one who read it like this?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" now could be the perfect time to land a job at one of computing 's biggest Hitlers .
" -am i the only one who read it like this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"now could be the perfect time to land a job at one of computing's biggest Hitlers.
"

-am i the only one who read it like this?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785980</id>
	<title>Re:Those positions have always been there.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263560880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm working at Microsoft as we speak (literally, I'm waiting for some code to compile), and I don't know a single person who got in thanks to their connections.  The easiest way to get into a company like this, and the way that most of my coworkers got in, is to be a college hire.  </p><p>Now obviously, if you're far past college then this won't apply to you, but if you are a student, find out when Microsoft/Apple/Google is coming to recruit at your school -- and trust me, at least one of them recruits there.  </p><p>I went to the University of Arizona and got hired because I was friendly, talkative, and competent, in no particular order.  In fact, the only reason I went with Microsoft was because Apple doesn't recruit from the UofA, and the Google recruiter pissed me off by having a holier-than-thou attitude through the entire interview.  Now in hindsight, I'm glad that I went with MS -- the pay is above-average, the benefits are outstanding, and the hours are as reasonable as you want them to be.  I've never felt pressured to work more than 40-45 hours a week; in fact, my coworkers are more likely to talk me <i>out</i> of staying longer.  Meanwhile I have a friend who took a job with Google who works a minimum of 50-55 hours a week, every week.  That may not be the norm there either, but that's still a bit much for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm working at Microsoft as we speak ( literally , I 'm waiting for some code to compile ) , and I do n't know a single person who got in thanks to their connections .
The easiest way to get into a company like this , and the way that most of my coworkers got in , is to be a college hire .
Now obviously , if you 're far past college then this wo n't apply to you , but if you are a student , find out when Microsoft/Apple/Google is coming to recruit at your school -- and trust me , at least one of them recruits there .
I went to the University of Arizona and got hired because I was friendly , talkative , and competent , in no particular order .
In fact , the only reason I went with Microsoft was because Apple does n't recruit from the UofA , and the Google recruiter pissed me off by having a holier-than-thou attitude through the entire interview .
Now in hindsight , I 'm glad that I went with MS -- the pay is above-average , the benefits are outstanding , and the hours are as reasonable as you want them to be .
I 've never felt pressured to work more than 40-45 hours a week ; in fact , my coworkers are more likely to talk me out of staying longer .
Meanwhile I have a friend who took a job with Google who works a minimum of 50-55 hours a week , every week .
That may not be the norm there either , but that 's still a bit much for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm working at Microsoft as we speak (literally, I'm waiting for some code to compile), and I don't know a single person who got in thanks to their connections.
The easiest way to get into a company like this, and the way that most of my coworkers got in, is to be a college hire.
Now obviously, if you're far past college then this won't apply to you, but if you are a student, find out when Microsoft/Apple/Google is coming to recruit at your school -- and trust me, at least one of them recruits there.
I went to the University of Arizona and got hired because I was friendly, talkative, and competent, in no particular order.
In fact, the only reason I went with Microsoft was because Apple doesn't recruit from the UofA, and the Google recruiter pissed me off by having a holier-than-thou attitude through the entire interview.
Now in hindsight, I'm glad that I went with MS -- the pay is above-average, the benefits are outstanding, and the hours are as reasonable as you want them to be.
I've never felt pressured to work more than 40-45 hours a week; in fact, my coworkers are more likely to talk me out of staying longer.
Meanwhile I have a friend who took a job with Google who works a minimum of 50-55 hours a week, every week.
That may not be the norm there either, but that's still a bit much for me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784664</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784644</id>
	<title>Re:anyone noticed the snide arrogance?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263553140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As opposed to the typical geek snide arrogance of thinking they hold the keys and you had better get to ass-kissing if you want your network to work?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As opposed to the typical geek snide arrogance of thinking they hold the keys and you had better get to ass-kissing if you want your network to work ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As opposed to the typical geek snide arrogance of thinking they hold the keys and you had better get to ass-kissing if you want your network to work?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784498</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784658</id>
	<title>Re:Freelance decker</title>
	<author>lorg</author>
	<datestamp>1263553260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lofwyr doesn't take kindly to puny humans like you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lofwyr does n't take kindly to puny humans like you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lofwyr doesn't take kindly to puny humans like you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784492</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786614</id>
	<title>Re:Freelance decker</title>
	<author>Khyber</author>
	<datestamp>1263565380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I worked at a pretty big corporation. And I&rsquo;ll never do it again.</p><p>The simple reason it, that humans are not made for such big social/power structures"</p><p>Please define "pretty big." I work for a corporation of about 35 people, yet they rake in about 100 million a year in profit. The money amount suggests pretty big, the personnel count does not.</p><p>And I *LOVE* working for these guys. Minus staying up late to coordinate skype conversations between Europe and Australia, it's swank. All I do is come up with an idea, make a rough sketch of it, explain how it works, get a prototype made, and test it in house, and deliver results back! I get paid in many ways, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I worked at a pretty big corporation .
And I    ll never do it again.The simple reason it , that humans are not made for such big social/power structures " Please define " pretty big .
" I work for a corporation of about 35 people , yet they rake in about 100 million a year in profit .
The money amount suggests pretty big , the personnel count does not.And I * LOVE * working for these guys .
Minus staying up late to coordinate skype conversations between Europe and Australia , it 's swank .
All I do is come up with an idea , make a rough sketch of it , explain how it works , get a prototype made , and test it in house , and deliver results back !
I get paid in many ways , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I worked at a pretty big corporation.
And I’ll never do it again.The simple reason it, that humans are not made for such big social/power structures"Please define "pretty big.
" I work for a corporation of about 35 people, yet they rake in about 100 million a year in profit.
The money amount suggests pretty big, the personnel count does not.And I *LOVE* working for these guys.
Minus staying up late to coordinate skype conversations between Europe and Australia, it's swank.
All I do is come up with an idea, make a rough sketch of it, explain how it works, get a prototype made, and test it in house, and deliver results back!
I get paid in many ways, too.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785700</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30788572</id>
	<title>Getting computer jobs at Fortune 500 Companies</title>
	<author>JakFrost</author>
	<datestamp>1263675120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just to put a little background on this post, I've worked in New York City for most of the Fortune 100 finance companies, including Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Charles Schwab, JP Morgan Chase, Morgan Stanley, and Credit Suisse as a consultant or employee in my past 10-years as a Windows Server Administrator.  I have known people who worked for the other top finance firms that I just happened to never work at such as Citibank, Lehman Brothers, and others so I would like to say that I am a little qualified to tell you how to get a job at one of these companies since I've been able to do so.</p><p>I started my professional computer career with work in my high school to help them at the computer lab, and I mentioned this on my resume, then I had a little after-hours computer job as a junior computer guy at a technical telephone company.  After I dropped out of high school in the beginning of my junior year I got my GED diploma and decided to go into the job market right away since I knew that computers are where my future lies.</p><p> <b>Computer City, Dot.com Bomb</b> </p><p>My first real job was doing computer repair at Computer City (now out of business) and then I moved up to desktop support and junior Windows server administration at a tiny dot.com company with only 5-servers.  But in this time I had gotten my CompTIA A+ hardware certification, a number of minor printer and desktop computer certs from Hewlett-Packard, and I was studying for my MCSE 4.0 at the dot.com company.  After months of studying and hands-on practice at work and at home I was able to complete it by passing each test, one at a time slowly studying all the material for that test including extra information from TechNet and MSDN to get a good feel or what problems show up and how they are resolved.  I did not attend college or any type of formal education training program but instead relied on study guides and hands-on practice to get my skills and I have been successful at doing this, even up to my third MCSE and now going for the forth, MCSE 2008.</p><p>In the early days of my career I also started taking the rest of the CompTIA certifications such as Network+, Server+, and Security+ to round-out my knowledge in those fields because frankly I didn't know much about anything but I realized that the study guides were written for novices like myself and they gave me a good overview of things.  Since then I've used certification study guides to learn new things because I find that the guides are so generally written that they are a great starting point for learning, and later on as you get experience you get more in-depth with more difficult books.  So if you are one of those people that scoff at certifications as useless or just empty papers, realize that while the title and test are not all that useful the study guides are actually great sources of general knowledge material to get start on.</p><p> <b>Goldman Sachs</b> </p><p>After the dot.com company went bust I signed up with job web sites such as Monster.com (not so good anymore), JobSeekers.com, and I believe <b>Dice.com</b> (the most important one for IT workers).  A recruiter found my resume online with a good history of computer jobs and most importantly with the MCSE 4.0 certification an A+ that was in demand at the time by all the large firms.  That first A+ certification and MCSE certification got the recruiter to look at my resume, then they looked at my short but upwards moving career in IT and offered to set me up with an interview at the firms.  The recruiter submitted my resume for a consulting position paying $45 per hour back in the early 2000's, that was twice the rate of my previous job.  After three weeks of waiting Goldman Sachs scheduled a phone interview screening for me where they asked basic and intermediate technical Windows questions and I did well enough to move me to the next stage.</p><p>They then scheduled the first of three in person interviews where I met the senior members of the team, one at a time who basically grilled me with technical questions and scenarios.  I</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just to put a little background on this post , I 've worked in New York City for most of the Fortune 100 finance companies , including Goldman Sachs , Deutsche Bank , Charles Schwab , JP Morgan Chase , Morgan Stanley , and Credit Suisse as a consultant or employee in my past 10-years as a Windows Server Administrator .
I have known people who worked for the other top finance firms that I just happened to never work at such as Citibank , Lehman Brothers , and others so I would like to say that I am a little qualified to tell you how to get a job at one of these companies since I 've been able to do so.I started my professional computer career with work in my high school to help them at the computer lab , and I mentioned this on my resume , then I had a little after-hours computer job as a junior computer guy at a technical telephone company .
After I dropped out of high school in the beginning of my junior year I got my GED diploma and decided to go into the job market right away since I knew that computers are where my future lies .
Computer City , Dot.com Bomb My first real job was doing computer repair at Computer City ( now out of business ) and then I moved up to desktop support and junior Windows server administration at a tiny dot.com company with only 5-servers .
But in this time I had gotten my CompTIA A + hardware certification , a number of minor printer and desktop computer certs from Hewlett-Packard , and I was studying for my MCSE 4.0 at the dot.com company .
After months of studying and hands-on practice at work and at home I was able to complete it by passing each test , one at a time slowly studying all the material for that test including extra information from TechNet and MSDN to get a good feel or what problems show up and how they are resolved .
I did not attend college or any type of formal education training program but instead relied on study guides and hands-on practice to get my skills and I have been successful at doing this , even up to my third MCSE and now going for the forth , MCSE 2008.In the early days of my career I also started taking the rest of the CompTIA certifications such as Network + , Server + , and Security + to round-out my knowledge in those fields because frankly I did n't know much about anything but I realized that the study guides were written for novices like myself and they gave me a good overview of things .
Since then I 've used certification study guides to learn new things because I find that the guides are so generally written that they are a great starting point for learning , and later on as you get experience you get more in-depth with more difficult books .
So if you are one of those people that scoff at certifications as useless or just empty papers , realize that while the title and test are not all that useful the study guides are actually great sources of general knowledge material to get start on .
Goldman Sachs After the dot.com company went bust I signed up with job web sites such as Monster.com ( not so good anymore ) , JobSeekers.com , and I believe Dice.com ( the most important one for IT workers ) .
A recruiter found my resume online with a good history of computer jobs and most importantly with the MCSE 4.0 certification an A + that was in demand at the time by all the large firms .
That first A + certification and MCSE certification got the recruiter to look at my resume , then they looked at my short but upwards moving career in IT and offered to set me up with an interview at the firms .
The recruiter submitted my resume for a consulting position paying $ 45 per hour back in the early 2000 's , that was twice the rate of my previous job .
After three weeks of waiting Goldman Sachs scheduled a phone interview screening for me where they asked basic and intermediate technical Windows questions and I did well enough to move me to the next stage.They then scheduled the first of three in person interviews where I met the senior members of the team , one at a time who basically grilled me with technical questions and scenarios .
I</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just to put a little background on this post, I've worked in New York City for most of the Fortune 100 finance companies, including Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Charles Schwab, JP Morgan Chase, Morgan Stanley, and Credit Suisse as a consultant or employee in my past 10-years as a Windows Server Administrator.
I have known people who worked for the other top finance firms that I just happened to never work at such as Citibank, Lehman Brothers, and others so I would like to say that I am a little qualified to tell you how to get a job at one of these companies since I've been able to do so.I started my professional computer career with work in my high school to help them at the computer lab, and I mentioned this on my resume, then I had a little after-hours computer job as a junior computer guy at a technical telephone company.
After I dropped out of high school in the beginning of my junior year I got my GED diploma and decided to go into the job market right away since I knew that computers are where my future lies.
Computer City, Dot.com Bomb My first real job was doing computer repair at Computer City (now out of business) and then I moved up to desktop support and junior Windows server administration at a tiny dot.com company with only 5-servers.
But in this time I had gotten my CompTIA A+ hardware certification, a number of minor printer and desktop computer certs from Hewlett-Packard, and I was studying for my MCSE 4.0 at the dot.com company.
After months of studying and hands-on practice at work and at home I was able to complete it by passing each test, one at a time slowly studying all the material for that test including extra information from TechNet and MSDN to get a good feel or what problems show up and how they are resolved.
I did not attend college or any type of formal education training program but instead relied on study guides and hands-on practice to get my skills and I have been successful at doing this, even up to my third MCSE and now going for the forth, MCSE 2008.In the early days of my career I also started taking the rest of the CompTIA certifications such as Network+, Server+, and Security+ to round-out my knowledge in those fields because frankly I didn't know much about anything but I realized that the study guides were written for novices like myself and they gave me a good overview of things.
Since then I've used certification study guides to learn new things because I find that the guides are so generally written that they are a great starting point for learning, and later on as you get experience you get more in-depth with more difficult books.
So if you are one of those people that scoff at certifications as useless or just empty papers, realize that while the title and test are not all that useful the study guides are actually great sources of general knowledge material to get start on.
Goldman Sachs After the dot.com company went bust I signed up with job web sites such as Monster.com (not so good anymore), JobSeekers.com, and I believe Dice.com (the most important one for IT workers).
A recruiter found my resume online with a good history of computer jobs and most importantly with the MCSE 4.0 certification an A+ that was in demand at the time by all the large firms.
That first A+ certification and MCSE certification got the recruiter to look at my resume, then they looked at my short but upwards moving career in IT and offered to set me up with an interview at the firms.
The recruiter submitted my resume for a consulting position paying $45 per hour back in the early 2000's, that was twice the rate of my previous job.
After three weeks of waiting Goldman Sachs scheduled a phone interview screening for me where they asked basic and intermediate technical Windows questions and I did well enough to move me to the next stage.They then scheduled the first of three in person interviews where I met the senior members of the team, one at a time who basically grilled me with technical questions and scenarios.
I</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784956</id>
	<title>Re:Why? if you want to work big, you need the mega</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263554820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you want to work on large scale projects, you pretty much have to work for a megacorp (or contract there).  Not many 10 person companies are doing rollouts of 10,000 different applications to a million desktop users. What about an application with thousands of individual requirements?  Not many 10 person companies are building moon rockets or mars rovers, pieces yes, but putting it all together just takes lots of people, and that means large company.  There are intellectual challenges to big, just like to small, and getting practical experience in scalability is pretty darn useful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want to work on large scale projects , you pretty much have to work for a megacorp ( or contract there ) .
Not many 10 person companies are doing rollouts of 10,000 different applications to a million desktop users .
What about an application with thousands of individual requirements ?
Not many 10 person companies are building moon rockets or mars rovers , pieces yes , but putting it all together just takes lots of people , and that means large company .
There are intellectual challenges to big , just like to small , and getting practical experience in scalability is pretty darn useful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want to work on large scale projects, you pretty much have to work for a megacorp (or contract there).
Not many 10 person companies are doing rollouts of 10,000 different applications to a million desktop users.
What about an application with thousands of individual requirements?
Not many 10 person companies are building moon rockets or mars rovers, pieces yes, but putting it all together just takes lots of people, and that means large company.
There are intellectual challenges to big, just like to small, and getting practical experience in scalability is pretty darn useful.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784776</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785310</id>
	<title>Why I work for megacorp</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263556800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am currently at megacorp and there are few reasons why<br>
- 23 days vacations<br>
- 12 holidays<br>
- plenty of sick time<br>
- working from home pretty much on your own schedule<br>
- above implies  working pretty much from anywhere (local or international)<br>
- some deadlines but not too bad, workload 40-45 hours <br>
- $$$ (salary) + $$$ (bonuses) + $$$ (benefits)<br>
<br>
so reason I would conisder quit<br>
- 5 managers to report to<br>
- meaningless corporate training<br>
- track your time in multiple tracking systems<br>
- managers above any other employes<br>
- politics<br>
<br>
None of this talks about the actual work I do since lots of it depends on how I define it. Sometimes it is pretty interesting, sometimes can't stand it but it must be done.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am currently at megacorp and there are few reasons why - 23 days vacations - 12 holidays - plenty of sick time - working from home pretty much on your own schedule - above implies working pretty much from anywhere ( local or international ) - some deadlines but not too bad , workload 40-45 hours - $ $ $ ( salary ) + $ $ $ ( bonuses ) + $ $ $ ( benefits ) so reason I would conisder quit - 5 managers to report to - meaningless corporate training - track your time in multiple tracking systems - managers above any other employes - politics None of this talks about the actual work I do since lots of it depends on how I define it .
Sometimes it is pretty interesting , sometimes ca n't stand it but it must be done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am currently at megacorp and there are few reasons why
- 23 days vacations
- 12 holidays
- plenty of sick time
- working from home pretty much on your own schedule
- above implies  working pretty much from anywhere (local or international)
- some deadlines but not too bad, workload 40-45 hours 
- $$$ (salary) + $$$ (bonuses) + $$$ (benefits)

so reason I would conisder quit
- 5 managers to report to
- meaningless corporate training
- track your time in multiple tracking systems
- managers above any other employes
- politics

None of this talks about the actual work I do since lots of it depends on how I define it.
Sometimes it is pretty interesting, sometimes can't stand it but it must be done.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787600</id>
	<title>Re:Freelance decker</title>
	<author>Miser</author>
	<datestamp>1263575460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wish I had mod points, as your comment is spot on.  "Planning to plan" from Office Space comes to mind.</p><p>Yes, I have a lowish number.  Just now found my password from many years ago.  Welcome back me.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>-Miser</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish I had mod points , as your comment is spot on .
" Planning to plan " from Office Space comes to mind.Yes , I have a lowish number .
Just now found my password from many years ago .
Welcome back me .
: ) -Miser</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish I had mod points, as your comment is spot on.
"Planning to plan" from Office Space comes to mind.Yes, I have a lowish number.
Just now found my password from many years ago.
Welcome back me.
:)-Miser</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785700</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784470</id>
	<title>trout</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263552360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am a fish.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a fish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a fish.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785198</id>
	<title>Re:First, be a foreigner</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1263556080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Union jobs generally still have pensions. In this day and age and economic climate, I wouldn't bet your life on them paying off...</p><p>Other jobs usually just do 401k matching instead. Personally, I much prefer this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Union jobs generally still have pensions .
In this day and age and economic climate , I would n't bet your life on them paying off...Other jobs usually just do 401k matching instead .
Personally , I much prefer this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Union jobs generally still have pensions.
In this day and age and economic climate, I wouldn't bet your life on them paying off...Other jobs usually just do 401k matching instead.
Personally, I much prefer this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784774</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30789306</id>
	<title>Re:How? The better question is WHY?</title>
	<author>DamonHD</author>
	<datestamp>1263644880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I commented above and I'll repeat, there is no real consistent correlation between size and dumbness IMHO.</p><p>I've worked for many large multinationals and for start-ups (my own and others) and each can be dumb in its own ways, eg the small ones with bat-shit-crazy-nasty-racist-megalomaniac CEOs with no HR to protect you, and the big ones with box-ticking endless bureaucracy.</p><p>Actually, I've been the the one in one case that ripped out the GPL code that my *manager* unthinkingly folded into our main trade-secret codebase, and we found an LGPL substitute to go in.  Took the corp lawyers 10 years to understand *why*.  Got a little annoying when they then tried to lecture me when they'd sorta seen the light...</p><p>So yes, stereotypes are fun, maybe, but not informative.</p><p>And sometimes rules are there for a good reason that a myopic dev doesn't grasp.  Like building codes.</p><p>And sometimes when the rules say *you can't do X, you have to pass it to team Y* it's actually a blessed relief because doing *Y* is a bit of a shitty job that I'm not interested but might actually be forced to "man up" and do myself without crying.</p><p>And sometimes, eg for a current client, I volunteer to go in and do the shitty jobs to let the main team concentrate on the important and longer-term stuff.  And because I'm not confusing 'fun tech' in that role with my life's work, we're happier all round.  I'm not expecting to do it forever.</p><p>So, no, I think you're cynical and wrong, but that's just me.  And people normally find me cynical!  B^&gt;</p><p>Rgds</p><p>Damon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I commented above and I 'll repeat , there is no real consistent correlation between size and dumbness IMHO.I 've worked for many large multinationals and for start-ups ( my own and others ) and each can be dumb in its own ways , eg the small ones with bat-shit-crazy-nasty-racist-megalomaniac CEOs with no HR to protect you , and the big ones with box-ticking endless bureaucracy.Actually , I 've been the the one in one case that ripped out the GPL code that my * manager * unthinkingly folded into our main trade-secret codebase , and we found an LGPL substitute to go in .
Took the corp lawyers 10 years to understand * why * .
Got a little annoying when they then tried to lecture me when they 'd sorta seen the light...So yes , stereotypes are fun , maybe , but not informative.And sometimes rules are there for a good reason that a myopic dev does n't grasp .
Like building codes.And sometimes when the rules say * you ca n't do X , you have to pass it to team Y * it 's actually a blessed relief because doing * Y * is a bit of a shitty job that I 'm not interested but might actually be forced to " man up " and do myself without crying.And sometimes , eg for a current client , I volunteer to go in and do the shitty jobs to let the main team concentrate on the important and longer-term stuff .
And because I 'm not confusing 'fun tech ' in that role with my life 's work , we 're happier all round .
I 'm not expecting to do it forever.So , no , I think you 're cynical and wrong , but that 's just me .
And people normally find me cynical !
B ^ &gt; RgdsDamon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I commented above and I'll repeat, there is no real consistent correlation between size and dumbness IMHO.I've worked for many large multinationals and for start-ups (my own and others) and each can be dumb in its own ways, eg the small ones with bat-shit-crazy-nasty-racist-megalomaniac CEOs with no HR to protect you, and the big ones with box-ticking endless bureaucracy.Actually, I've been the the one in one case that ripped out the GPL code that my *manager* unthinkingly folded into our main trade-secret codebase, and we found an LGPL substitute to go in.
Took the corp lawyers 10 years to understand *why*.
Got a little annoying when they then tried to lecture me when they'd sorta seen the light...So yes, stereotypes are fun, maybe, but not informative.And sometimes rules are there for a good reason that a myopic dev doesn't grasp.
Like building codes.And sometimes when the rules say *you can't do X, you have to pass it to team Y* it's actually a blessed relief because doing *Y* is a bit of a shitty job that I'm not interested but might actually be forced to "man up" and do myself without crying.And sometimes, eg for a current client, I volunteer to go in and do the shitty jobs to let the main team concentrate on the important and longer-term stuff.
And because I'm not confusing 'fun tech' in that role with my life's work, we're happier all round.
I'm not expecting to do it forever.So, no, I think you're cynical and wrong, but that's just me.
And people normally find me cynical!
B^&gt;RgdsDamon</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785830</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787298</id>
	<title>Re:Surefire formula</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1263571800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I see what you are saying, and it sounds like good idea, but how on earth are you supposed to figure out who your managers and colleagues would be?  How do you figure out what the short term goals are for HR?  I really am not sure on this one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I see what you are saying , and it sounds like good idea , but how on earth are you supposed to figure out who your managers and colleagues would be ?
How do you figure out what the short term goals are for HR ?
I really am not sure on this one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see what you are saying, and it sounds like good idea, but how on earth are you supposed to figure out who your managers and colleagues would be?
How do you figure out what the short term goals are for HR?
I really am not sure on this one.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786092</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785128</id>
	<title>The sad truth</title>
	<author>jmickle</author>
	<datestamp>1263555720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The truth is you either need to be outrageously awesome and do something that changes the way we use computers (very unlikely), have an intense amount of luck to make it in or be a complete slob. I can speak from experiences when i say some people simply dont deserv their positions, and you see this alot in large companies. Other then that the only true way into a good corporation is to buy the management drinks at a bar or know someone lol</htmltext>
<tokenext>The truth is you either need to be outrageously awesome and do something that changes the way we use computers ( very unlikely ) , have an intense amount of luck to make it in or be a complete slob .
I can speak from experiences when i say some people simply dont deserv their positions , and you see this alot in large companies .
Other then that the only true way into a good corporation is to buy the management drinks at a bar or know someone lol</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The truth is you either need to be outrageously awesome and do something that changes the way we use computers (very unlikely), have an intense amount of luck to make it in or be a complete slob.
I can speak from experiences when i say some people simply dont deserv their positions, and you see this alot in large companies.
Other then that the only true way into a good corporation is to buy the management drinks at a bar or know someone lol</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784946</id>
	<title>Re:Find a Recruiter</title>
	<author>dave562</author>
	<datestamp>1263554760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>How do you contact such a person, yo ask? Post your resume on Monster with the right keywords (provided, of course, that you have the skills!).</i> </p><p>I've had better luck with Dice.  I get at least a call or two per month from recruiters.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you contact such a person , yo ask ?
Post your resume on Monster with the right keywords ( provided , of course , that you have the skills ! ) .
I 've had better luck with Dice .
I get at least a call or two per month from recruiters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you contact such a person, yo ask?
Post your resume on Monster with the right keywords (provided, of course, that you have the skills!).
I've had better luck with Dice.
I get at least a call or two per month from recruiters.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784660</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785240</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>flabordec</author>
	<datestamp>1263556320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>SMB all the way.</p></div><p>Amen, brother, Super Mario Bros all the way.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>SMB all the way.Amen , brother , Super Mario Bros all the way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SMB all the way.Amen, brother, Super Mario Bros all the way.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784580</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785104</id>
	<title>Megacorps</title>
	<author>Rycross</author>
	<datestamp>1263555600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm actually a bit surprised at the almost-uniformly negative response to "mega corps."  I've worked at two companies that could be described as "mega corps."  The first, while not exactly soul-crushing, bore such a striking resemblance to Office Space that I was happy to leave.  The other one has been an almost-uniformly pleasant experience, with a solid focus on tech and very little bureaucracy.  What I've taken away from this is that you can't judge the quality of a job by the size of the company.</p><p>As far as the 60-hours-per-week thing goes, both jobs had me firmly in the 40-45 hours range.  The lone, very rare exceptions (50-55 hour weeks) were solely due to my own fuckups, and my desire to not have my fuckups impact the rest of my team (as in, they're actual people who didn't deserve to look bad because of something I did).  I've never been forced to work long hours.</p><p>On the topic of overtime, I've found that mentioning "quality of life" and "no mandatory overtime" in interviews will get you dropped like a hot-potato if the company in question actually does expect 60 hour weeks.  I've made it a habit to ignore people telling me not to ask these things, and make sure to ask it in every interview.  Tends to weed out the places I don't want to work.</p><p>I realize that my experiences may not be the norm, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm actually a bit surprised at the almost-uniformly negative response to " mega corps .
" I 've worked at two companies that could be described as " mega corps .
" The first , while not exactly soul-crushing , bore such a striking resemblance to Office Space that I was happy to leave .
The other one has been an almost-uniformly pleasant experience , with a solid focus on tech and very little bureaucracy .
What I 've taken away from this is that you ca n't judge the quality of a job by the size of the company.As far as the 60-hours-per-week thing goes , both jobs had me firmly in the 40-45 hours range .
The lone , very rare exceptions ( 50-55 hour weeks ) were solely due to my own fuckups , and my desire to not have my fuckups impact the rest of my team ( as in , they 're actual people who did n't deserve to look bad because of something I did ) .
I 've never been forced to work long hours.On the topic of overtime , I 've found that mentioning " quality of life " and " no mandatory overtime " in interviews will get you dropped like a hot-potato if the company in question actually does expect 60 hour weeks .
I 've made it a habit to ignore people telling me not to ask these things , and make sure to ask it in every interview .
Tends to weed out the places I do n't want to work.I realize that my experiences may not be the norm , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm actually a bit surprised at the almost-uniformly negative response to "mega corps.
"  I've worked at two companies that could be described as "mega corps.
"  The first, while not exactly soul-crushing, bore such a striking resemblance to Office Space that I was happy to leave.
The other one has been an almost-uniformly pleasant experience, with a solid focus on tech and very little bureaucracy.
What I've taken away from this is that you can't judge the quality of a job by the size of the company.As far as the 60-hours-per-week thing goes, both jobs had me firmly in the 40-45 hours range.
The lone, very rare exceptions (50-55 hour weeks) were solely due to my own fuckups, and my desire to not have my fuckups impact the rest of my team (as in, they're actual people who didn't deserve to look bad because of something I did).
I've never been forced to work long hours.On the topic of overtime, I've found that mentioning "quality of life" and "no mandatory overtime" in interviews will get you dropped like a hot-potato if the company in question actually does expect 60 hour weeks.
I've made it a habit to ignore people telling me not to ask these things, and make sure to ask it in every interview.
Tends to weed out the places I don't want to work.I realize that my experiences may not be the norm, though.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785828</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263559800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>SMB all the way.</p></div><p>AMEN to this.  I worked at a big semiconductor company.  I worked my nuts off and was constantly getting good reviews.  Then with some new management, I was forced to train a gang of people overseas and some H1-B's (aka slaves) and then that was all she wrote for my job.</p><p>Besides not having h1-b's at the new place, there is another advantage.  Since there aren't as many people I don't get pigeon-holed.  I constantly get to learn new skills.  Hell, I started out as a hardware guy and am now getting to do some web development.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>SMB all the way.AMEN to this .
I worked at a big semiconductor company .
I worked my nuts off and was constantly getting good reviews .
Then with some new management , I was forced to train a gang of people overseas and some H1-B 's ( aka slaves ) and then that was all she wrote for my job.Besides not having h1-b 's at the new place , there is another advantage .
Since there are n't as many people I do n't get pigeon-holed .
I constantly get to learn new skills .
Hell , I started out as a hardware guy and am now getting to do some web development .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SMB all the way.AMEN to this.
I worked at a big semiconductor company.
I worked my nuts off and was constantly getting good reviews.
Then with some new management, I was forced to train a gang of people overseas and some H1-B's (aka slaves) and then that was all she wrote for my job.Besides not having h1-b's at the new place, there is another advantage.
Since there aren't as many people I don't get pigeon-holed.
I constantly get to learn new skills.
Hell, I started out as a hardware guy and am now getting to do some web development.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784580</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785312</id>
	<title>Re:Find a Recruiter</title>
	<author>IronChef</author>
	<datestamp>1263556800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least when I was contracting at Microsoft, being a contractor was not much of an advantage for getting a real job. (I worked for 3 different agencies while I was there.)</p><p>Over several years, I learned of about 2 people that moved from contract to full time--and it was always full time in another department.</p><p>As a contractor, your manager is unable to give you any kind of consideration for full-time job openings. It was forbidden, at least where and when I was working.</p><p>Got a contractor that would make an ideal full-time employee? Got an open FTE slot? Want to hire the guy? Tell that contractor sorry, I suggest you go to Microsoft.com and apply there. Good luck.</p><p>(My manager did give me a lead on a position well away from our department, which did result in an interview. It was his own turf he had to be careful about. Not that he had any head count to fill anyway... There were 3 full timers and about 6-8 contractors depending on workload. As far as I know, the full-timer headcount has only gone down in that department too.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least when I was contracting at Microsoft , being a contractor was not much of an advantage for getting a real job .
( I worked for 3 different agencies while I was there .
) Over several years , I learned of about 2 people that moved from contract to full time--and it was always full time in another department.As a contractor , your manager is unable to give you any kind of consideration for full-time job openings .
It was forbidden , at least where and when I was working.Got a contractor that would make an ideal full-time employee ?
Got an open FTE slot ?
Want to hire the guy ?
Tell that contractor sorry , I suggest you go to Microsoft.com and apply there .
Good luck .
( My manager did give me a lead on a position well away from our department , which did result in an interview .
It was his own turf he had to be careful about .
Not that he had any head count to fill anyway... There were 3 full timers and about 6-8 contractors depending on workload .
As far as I know , the full-timer headcount has only gone down in that department too .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least when I was contracting at Microsoft, being a contractor was not much of an advantage for getting a real job.
(I worked for 3 different agencies while I was there.
)Over several years, I learned of about 2 people that moved from contract to full time--and it was always full time in another department.As a contractor, your manager is unable to give you any kind of consideration for full-time job openings.
It was forbidden, at least where and when I was working.Got a contractor that would make an ideal full-time employee?
Got an open FTE slot?
Want to hire the guy?
Tell that contractor sorry, I suggest you go to Microsoft.com and apply there.
Good luck.
(My manager did give me a lead on a position well away from our department, which did result in an interview.
It was his own turf he had to be careful about.
Not that he had any head count to fill anyway... There were 3 full timers and about 6-8 contractors depending on workload.
As far as I know, the full-timer headcount has only gone down in that department too.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784660</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30792862</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1263634200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Similar experience in a non-tech role, I interviewed a guy with an MBA but no experience, I explained that he was welcome to apply but would find it challenging to get the role when experience was absolutely necessary for this position. We didn't have the time to hand hold someone along. Anyway he immediately turned on me, started whining and getting angry "well how am I supposed to get into your field if everyone needs experience" etc.

Very different from the young man without the MBA who came to me and</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Similar experience in a non-tech role , I interviewed a guy with an MBA but no experience , I explained that he was welcome to apply but would find it challenging to get the role when experience was absolutely necessary for this position .
We did n't have the time to hand hold someone along .
Anyway he immediately turned on me , started whining and getting angry " well how am I supposed to get into your field if everyone needs experience " etc .
Very different from the young man without the MBA who came to me and</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Similar experience in a non-tech role, I interviewed a guy with an MBA but no experience, I explained that he was welcome to apply but would find it challenging to get the role when experience was absolutely necessary for this position.
We didn't have the time to hand hold someone along.
Anyway he immediately turned on me, started whining and getting angry "well how am I supposed to get into your field if everyone needs experience" etc.
Very different from the young man without the MBA who came to me and</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785840</id>
	<title>Re:How? The better question is WHY?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263559860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>hey,<br>I work for a small company, and what you describe here matches pretty much how things are going at my job. It has nothing to do with size, it's all about who you work with. Bureaucrats are everywhere, in small and big companies alike.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>hey,I work for a small company , and what you describe here matches pretty much how things are going at my job .
It has nothing to do with size , it 's all about who you work with .
Bureaucrats are everywhere , in small and big companies alike .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hey,I work for a small company, and what you describe here matches pretty much how things are going at my job.
It has nothing to do with size, it's all about who you work with.
Bureaucrats are everywhere, in small and big companies alike.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784776</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30788120</id>
	<title>Re:Megacorp aside... innovative jobs instead...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263581100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>young = cheap, dumb, malleable, no family, eager to please<br>old = expensive, experienced, pushback, family commitments<br>older = liability, wrinkly, about to retire, more familty commitments, know too many of management tricks</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>young = cheap , dumb , malleable , no family , eager to pleaseold = expensive , experienced , pushback , family commitmentsolder = liability , wrinkly , about to retire , more familty commitments , know too many of management tricks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>young = cheap, dumb, malleable, no family, eager to pleaseold = expensive, experienced, pushback, family commitmentsolder = liability, wrinkly, about to retire, more familty commitments, know too many of management tricks</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785692</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786856</id>
	<title>won't work for some megacorpomps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263567060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've worked for three large companies and three small companies.  I like to work at a larger company to tackle more interesting problems.  I like a small company to get breadth of experience.  The one company I'd never work at again is Microsoft.  What an HR nightmare and full of politics.  I can see now how they put out junk in some areas.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've worked for three large companies and three small companies .
I like to work at a larger company to tackle more interesting problems .
I like a small company to get breadth of experience .
The one company I 'd never work at again is Microsoft .
What an HR nightmare and full of politics .
I can see now how they put out junk in some areas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've worked for three large companies and three small companies.
I like to work at a larger company to tackle more interesting problems.
I like a small company to get breadth of experience.
The one company I'd never work at again is Microsoft.
What an HR nightmare and full of politics.
I can see now how they put out junk in some areas.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786092</id>
	<title>Surefire formula</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263561660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wanted a leading role at on of the top companies, and I got it after about a year of effort. I later had to hire people to my new team. Here is my $.05.<br>1. Know exactly what you want, and do your research. Who would your managers and colleges be? Become familiar with them.<br>2. A hiring manager usually have specific short term tasks to be solved. Know what they are, and make sure you are the solution to at least one of them. If you are not, it is probably not a good job to focus on anyway.<br>2. Get in multiple applications. One to HR, other people on the team you want to get into. Also find a friend already in the company, and have them forward a resume.<br>3. Go to conferences etc. Your future boss and colleagues might be keynote speakers etc. Listen to what is important to them, and talk to them.<br>4. Hone your skills, and become the right fit.<br>5. A team just wants to be successful in the organization, with little risk.<br>During interviews, make sure the team knows that you will contribute to the short term challenge at hand. Also document that it is little risk to hire you. By low risk I means mostly that you can and will deliver as expected with no incompetence, attitude, and personality problems. If you can't, it it probably not the right job to focus on anyway.<br>6. Know what you are worth to them, and ask for it, not more. That may include moving expenses etc.</p><p>Bottom line: Know what you want, and go for it, and be prepared and be honest to yourself and your future team. Honesty makes it easy for you to convince people that you are the right person.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wanted a leading role at on of the top companies , and I got it after about a year of effort .
I later had to hire people to my new team .
Here is my $ .05.1 .
Know exactly what you want , and do your research .
Who would your managers and colleges be ?
Become familiar with them.2 .
A hiring manager usually have specific short term tasks to be solved .
Know what they are , and make sure you are the solution to at least one of them .
If you are not , it is probably not a good job to focus on anyway.2 .
Get in multiple applications .
One to HR , other people on the team you want to get into .
Also find a friend already in the company , and have them forward a resume.3 .
Go to conferences etc .
Your future boss and colleagues might be keynote speakers etc .
Listen to what is important to them , and talk to them.4 .
Hone your skills , and become the right fit.5 .
A team just wants to be successful in the organization , with little risk.During interviews , make sure the team knows that you will contribute to the short term challenge at hand .
Also document that it is little risk to hire you .
By low risk I means mostly that you can and will deliver as expected with no incompetence , attitude , and personality problems .
If you ca n't , it it probably not the right job to focus on anyway.6 .
Know what you are worth to them , and ask for it , not more .
That may include moving expenses etc.Bottom line : Know what you want , and go for it , and be prepared and be honest to yourself and your future team .
Honesty makes it easy for you to convince people that you are the right person .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wanted a leading role at on of the top companies, and I got it after about a year of effort.
I later had to hire people to my new team.
Here is my $.05.1.
Know exactly what you want, and do your research.
Who would your managers and colleges be?
Become familiar with them.2.
A hiring manager usually have specific short term tasks to be solved.
Know what they are, and make sure you are the solution to at least one of them.
If you are not, it is probably not a good job to focus on anyway.2.
Get in multiple applications.
One to HR, other people on the team you want to get into.
Also find a friend already in the company, and have them forward a resume.3.
Go to conferences etc.
Your future boss and colleagues might be keynote speakers etc.
Listen to what is important to them, and talk to them.4.
Hone your skills, and become the right fit.5.
A team just wants to be successful in the organization, with little risk.During interviews, make sure the team knows that you will contribute to the short term challenge at hand.
Also document that it is little risk to hire you.
By low risk I means mostly that you can and will deliver as expected with no incompetence, attitude, and personality problems.
If you can't, it it probably not the right job to focus on anyway.6.
Know what you are worth to them, and ask for it, not more.
That may include moving expenses etc.Bottom line: Know what you want, and go for it, and be prepared and be honest to yourself and your future team.
Honesty makes it easy for you to convince people that you are the right person.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784876</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>b4dc0d3r</author>
	<datestamp>1263554460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I spent 6 months on a "move existing code to different environment" project.  Maybe 3 days of it was code changing, the rest was meetings and "engaging" other teams and getting misinformation and basically having to figure out everything myself, or interested parties like the integration people who have to deliver to clients helping figure it out.</p><p>At some point, every company moves to short-term cost reductions instead of focusing on maintaining infrastructure for when things pick up again.  The first clue you're in trouble is when they fire smart people because they are too expensive.  Then the remainder of the smart people see what's happening and jump ship.  The few who remain struggle to keep everything afloat, only to get laid off when the company gets bought/merged.</p><p>If your potential employer already had its IPO, you're in danger.  If it has ever bought another company, you're closer to danger.  Short-term planning is responsible for some of the most soul-draining policies and requirements ever to offend humanity by their very existence.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I spent 6 months on a " move existing code to different environment " project .
Maybe 3 days of it was code changing , the rest was meetings and " engaging " other teams and getting misinformation and basically having to figure out everything myself , or interested parties like the integration people who have to deliver to clients helping figure it out.At some point , every company moves to short-term cost reductions instead of focusing on maintaining infrastructure for when things pick up again .
The first clue you 're in trouble is when they fire smart people because they are too expensive .
Then the remainder of the smart people see what 's happening and jump ship .
The few who remain struggle to keep everything afloat , only to get laid off when the company gets bought/merged.If your potential employer already had its IPO , you 're in danger .
If it has ever bought another company , you 're closer to danger .
Short-term planning is responsible for some of the most soul-draining policies and requirements ever to offend humanity by their very existence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I spent 6 months on a "move existing code to different environment" project.
Maybe 3 days of it was code changing, the rest was meetings and "engaging" other teams and getting misinformation and basically having to figure out everything myself, or interested parties like the integration people who have to deliver to clients helping figure it out.At some point, every company moves to short-term cost reductions instead of focusing on maintaining infrastructure for when things pick up again.
The first clue you're in trouble is when they fire smart people because they are too expensive.
Then the remainder of the smart people see what's happening and jump ship.
The few who remain struggle to keep everything afloat, only to get laid off when the company gets bought/merged.If your potential employer already had its IPO, you're in danger.
If it has ever bought another company, you're closer to danger.
Short-term planning is responsible for some of the most soul-draining policies and requirements ever to offend humanity by their very existence.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784580</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30813492</id>
	<title>Re:Interviewing at Apple.</title>
	<author>jcr</author>
	<datestamp>1263813720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>When I joined Apple in '82</i></p><p>Oops.  Make that '02.</p><p>-jcr</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I joined Apple in '82Oops .
Make that '02.-jcr</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I joined Apple in '82Oops.
Make that '02.-jcr</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786676</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30789646</id>
	<title>Oh please.</title>
	<author>jotaeleemeese</author>
	<datestamp>1263649320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Go to the company's website.</p><p>Find positions available.</p><p>Apply for a job.</p><p>I actually got a request to interview for Google, but they were asking me to relocate, so sadly I had to turn them down (googlechaps, next time you say you have a position in London look at the map: Dublin is not a London suburb!).</p><p>There is nothing particularly different to applying for a position anywhere else as far as I remember.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Go to the company 's website.Find positions available.Apply for a job.I actually got a request to interview for Google , but they were asking me to relocate , so sadly I had to turn them down ( googlechaps , next time you say you have a position in London look at the map : Dublin is not a London suburb !
) .There is nothing particularly different to applying for a position anywhere else as far as I remember .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go to the company's website.Find positions available.Apply for a job.I actually got a request to interview for Google, but they were asking me to relocate, so sadly I had to turn them down (googlechaps, next time you say you have a position in London look at the map: Dublin is not a London suburb!
).There is nothing particularly different to applying for a position anywhere else as far as I remember.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787678</id>
	<title>really??</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263576300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>economy is coming back?  what kool aid are you ingesting?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>economy is coming back ?
what kool aid are you ingesting ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>economy is coming back?
what kool aid are you ingesting?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784806</id>
	<title>Re:Nobody has thought of it</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1263554160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess what they are trying to imply that getting a job at a Mega-corp is most like getting a job at anywhere else in the real world.</p><p>I suppose most computer nerds might have been confusing it with the tactics they've learned from video games. To work at Microsoft I simply cannot show up that the local bar, find the executives in the far room, and pass THE THREE TRIALS in order to work for them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess what they are trying to imply that getting a job at a Mega-corp is most like getting a job at anywhere else in the real world.I suppose most computer nerds might have been confusing it with the tactics they 've learned from video games .
To work at Microsoft I simply can not show up that the local bar , find the executives in the far room , and pass THE THREE TRIALS in order to work for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess what they are trying to imply that getting a job at a Mega-corp is most like getting a job at anywhere else in the real world.I suppose most computer nerds might have been confusing it with the tactics they've learned from video games.
To work at Microsoft I simply cannot show up that the local bar, find the executives in the far room, and pass THE THREE TRIALS in order to work for them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784598</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784606</id>
	<title>Apple Retail IS NOT EQUAL to Apple</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263552960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After spending nearly 7 years in Apple Retail all I have to say is STAY FAR FAR AWAY.</p><p>Don't work for a big company.  Find an awesome small local company.  You'll be happier.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After spending nearly 7 years in Apple Retail all I have to say is STAY FAR FAR AWAY.Do n't work for a big company .
Find an awesome small local company .
You 'll be happier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After spending nearly 7 years in Apple Retail all I have to say is STAY FAR FAR AWAY.Don't work for a big company.
Find an awesome small local company.
You'll be happier.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786396</id>
	<title>Re:This doesn't make sense</title>
	<author>Surt</author>
	<datestamp>1263563880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They can't find anyone they feel they can afford.  They want top notch skills for 2nd world pay, and they get it via h1-b.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They ca n't find anyone they feel they can afford .
They want top notch skills for 2nd world pay , and they get it via h1-b .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They can't find anyone they feel they can afford.
They want top notch skills for 2nd world pay, and they get it via h1-b.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785538</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787744</id>
	<title>Re:Freelance decker</title>
	<author>Stone316</author>
	<datestamp>1263577020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've worked for companies from 200-350,000 employee's.  There are pro's and con's to working at both large and small companies.</p><p>Unfortunately bad management isn't exclusive to large companies as I've seen bad management at both.  Larger companies tend to have more polices thanks to stupid regulations such as SOX.  Chances are if they are large they are public.</p><p>Internal movement both lateral and vertical can be difficult with small companies.   With larger companies there are plenty of opportunities in house which means you can move around without leaving the company.  I have also found its easy to branch into new roles.  If you have proven yourself then they know you'll ramp quickly and be able to produce.  I always liked that.  However, with smaller companies you have a better chance of becoming involved in making decisions that affect the company.</p><p>I'm at a small company now and its nice to have more control, not as much red tape because we aren't public, exposure to different technologies.  With large companies you tend to be silo'd to your specific skillset.   What I don't like is that the systems I manage are not as complex as they were in large companies.   I enjoy working with highly available, critical environments where downtime can cost the company millions.   On the other hand the job isn't as stressful and there's more family time.</p><p>With the type of work I do, in larger companies your usually in a group of similar people.   The nice thing about this is that there are people to bounce ideas off, different sets of eyes when looking at a problem, others with more experience in certain areas.  All this  can provide you with more opportunities to learn.</p><p>Anyways, i'm sure we could go on for quite awhile generalizing about the pros/cons of working in both large and small companies.  Personally I wouldn't rule out working for either.  As long as the job is stimulating and provides me with opportunities to learn then i'll be happy.    I tend to move on if things become stagnant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've worked for companies from 200-350,000 employee 's .
There are pro 's and con 's to working at both large and small companies.Unfortunately bad management is n't exclusive to large companies as I 've seen bad management at both .
Larger companies tend to have more polices thanks to stupid regulations such as SOX .
Chances are if they are large they are public.Internal movement both lateral and vertical can be difficult with small companies .
With larger companies there are plenty of opportunities in house which means you can move around without leaving the company .
I have also found its easy to branch into new roles .
If you have proven yourself then they know you 'll ramp quickly and be able to produce .
I always liked that .
However , with smaller companies you have a better chance of becoming involved in making decisions that affect the company.I 'm at a small company now and its nice to have more control , not as much red tape because we are n't public , exposure to different technologies .
With large companies you tend to be silo 'd to your specific skillset .
What I do n't like is that the systems I manage are not as complex as they were in large companies .
I enjoy working with highly available , critical environments where downtime can cost the company millions .
On the other hand the job is n't as stressful and there 's more family time.With the type of work I do , in larger companies your usually in a group of similar people .
The nice thing about this is that there are people to bounce ideas off , different sets of eyes when looking at a problem , others with more experience in certain areas .
All this can provide you with more opportunities to learn.Anyways , i 'm sure we could go on for quite awhile generalizing about the pros/cons of working in both large and small companies .
Personally I would n't rule out working for either .
As long as the job is stimulating and provides me with opportunities to learn then i 'll be happy .
I tend to move on if things become stagnant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've worked for companies from 200-350,000 employee's.
There are pro's and con's to working at both large and small companies.Unfortunately bad management isn't exclusive to large companies as I've seen bad management at both.
Larger companies tend to have more polices thanks to stupid regulations such as SOX.
Chances are if they are large they are public.Internal movement both lateral and vertical can be difficult with small companies.
With larger companies there are plenty of opportunities in house which means you can move around without leaving the company.
I have also found its easy to branch into new roles.
If you have proven yourself then they know you'll ramp quickly and be able to produce.
I always liked that.
However, with smaller companies you have a better chance of becoming involved in making decisions that affect the company.I'm at a small company now and its nice to have more control, not as much red tape because we aren't public, exposure to different technologies.
With large companies you tend to be silo'd to your specific skillset.
What I don't like is that the systems I manage are not as complex as they were in large companies.
I enjoy working with highly available, critical environments where downtime can cost the company millions.
On the other hand the job isn't as stressful and there's more family time.With the type of work I do, in larger companies your usually in a group of similar people.
The nice thing about this is that there are people to bounce ideas off, different sets of eyes when looking at a problem, others with more experience in certain areas.
All this  can provide you with more opportunities to learn.Anyways, i'm sure we could go on for quite awhile generalizing about the pros/cons of working in both large and small companies.
Personally I wouldn't rule out working for either.
As long as the job is stimulating and provides me with opportunities to learn then i'll be happy.
I tend to move on if things become stagnant.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785700</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30788540</id>
	<title>Re:Surefire formula</title>
	<author>weicco</author>
	<datestamp>1263674520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I got my current job, which I like very much, with just two things.</p><p>First one, believe it or not, was honesty. I told everything as they are. There were couple of things that were required in the job advertisement and I didn't know much about them so I said "I don't much about them but I think I could learn them in a couple of months if you put me in some training" I think I said many things in the interview that wasn't very positive for me but in the end I think that it was my honesty that got me the job. If you put it other way around, would you hire a liar? (rhetoric question)</p><p>Second one was experience. I had about 10 years of work experience in the field. I based my (honest) answer on this. When they asked "do you know X" I answered "Yes. I used X in a project Y. I did/didn't like it. Oh yes, Y came out quite nicely and customer was happy about it. Would I use Y again? Yes/no because..."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I got my current job , which I like very much , with just two things.First one , believe it or not , was honesty .
I told everything as they are .
There were couple of things that were required in the job advertisement and I did n't know much about them so I said " I do n't much about them but I think I could learn them in a couple of months if you put me in some training " I think I said many things in the interview that was n't very positive for me but in the end I think that it was my honesty that got me the job .
If you put it other way around , would you hire a liar ?
( rhetoric question ) Second one was experience .
I had about 10 years of work experience in the field .
I based my ( honest ) answer on this .
When they asked " do you know X " I answered " Yes .
I used X in a project Y. I did/did n't like it .
Oh yes , Y came out quite nicely and customer was happy about it .
Would I use Y again ?
Yes/no because... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got my current job, which I like very much, with just two things.First one, believe it or not, was honesty.
I told everything as they are.
There were couple of things that were required in the job advertisement and I didn't know much about them so I said "I don't much about them but I think I could learn them in a couple of months if you put me in some training" I think I said many things in the interview that wasn't very positive for me but in the end I think that it was my honesty that got me the job.
If you put it other way around, would you hire a liar?
(rhetoric question)Second one was experience.
I had about 10 years of work experience in the field.
I based my (honest) answer on this.
When they asked "do you know X" I answered "Yes.
I used X in a project Y. I did/didn't like it.
Oh yes, Y came out quite nicely and customer was happy about it.
Would I use Y again?
Yes/no because..."</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786092</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784492</id>
	<title>Freelance decker</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263552480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd much rather be a freelance decker than work for a megacorps...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd much rather be a freelance decker than work for a megacorps.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd much rather be a freelance decker than work for a megacorps...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786186</id>
	<title>As someone who's just gone through the process</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263562500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone who's just gone through the process with both Microsoft (internal referral), and Google (just submitted my CV) and got offers from both, I can say that 12 years into my career the thing that seems to matter most is the reputation.</p><p>Of course it also helps if you don't botch your interview (which in itself is not a trivial thing to accomplish, given all the randomness inherent in the process), but having a few references (preferably ex-bosses) who will speak highly of you helps a lot with getting a good competitive compensation package, even now, in the middle of the "recession".</p><p>The point is, if you're not a noob in this industry, when doing your current job think of what people will say about you when you move on. And don't suck. That's all there is to it really.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who 's just gone through the process with both Microsoft ( internal referral ) , and Google ( just submitted my CV ) and got offers from both , I can say that 12 years into my career the thing that seems to matter most is the reputation.Of course it also helps if you do n't botch your interview ( which in itself is not a trivial thing to accomplish , given all the randomness inherent in the process ) , but having a few references ( preferably ex-bosses ) who will speak highly of you helps a lot with getting a good competitive compensation package , even now , in the middle of the " recession " .The point is , if you 're not a noob in this industry , when doing your current job think of what people will say about you when you move on .
And do n't suck .
That 's all there is to it really .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who's just gone through the process with both Microsoft (internal referral), and Google (just submitted my CV) and got offers from both, I can say that 12 years into my career the thing that seems to matter most is the reputation.Of course it also helps if you don't botch your interview (which in itself is not a trivial thing to accomplish, given all the randomness inherent in the process), but having a few references (preferably ex-bosses) who will speak highly of you helps a lot with getting a good competitive compensation package, even now, in the middle of the "recession".The point is, if you're not a noob in this industry, when doing your current job think of what people will say about you when you move on.
And don't suck.
That's all there is to it really.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30807046</id>
	<title>Re:Megacorps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263824280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm actually a bit surprised at the almost-uniformly negative response to "mega corps."</p> </div><p>This is slashdot. Most people here are employed by irrelevant companies doing irrelevant IT support jobs. (oh sorry I forgot you guys call them sysadmin jobs)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm actually a bit surprised at the almost-uniformly negative response to " mega corps .
" This is slashdot .
Most people here are employed by irrelevant companies doing irrelevant IT support jobs .
( oh sorry I forgot you guys call them sysadmin jobs )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm actually a bit surprised at the almost-uniformly negative response to "mega corps.
" This is slashdot.
Most people here are employed by irrelevant companies doing irrelevant IT support jobs.
(oh sorry I forgot you guys call them sysadmin jobs)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785104</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785270</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263556560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I fail to see what lanman has to do with this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I fail to see what lanman has to do with this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I fail to see what lanman has to do with this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784580</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786064</id>
	<title>Two ways...</title>
	<author>djwavelength</author>
	<datestamp>1263561480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Method 1<br>Step 1: Pay the Berkeley, Stanford, MIT, Waterloo, Harvard, IIT, Beijing University,Oxford, or a similar school lots of money for a piece of paper (or get lucky and get financial aid)<br>Step 2: Pay the school even more money to get an "advanced degree"<br>Step 3: Put all kinds of keywords on your resume/CV, but highlight the school name in bold and make it a few font sizes larger then everything else</p><p>Method 2<br>Step 1: Build successful company<br>Step 2: Get acquired<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>Profit?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Method 1Step 1 : Pay the Berkeley , Stanford , MIT , Waterloo , Harvard , IIT , Beijing University,Oxford , or a similar school lots of money for a piece of paper ( or get lucky and get financial aid ) Step 2 : Pay the school even more money to get an " advanced degree " Step 3 : Put all kinds of keywords on your resume/CV , but highlight the school name in bold and make it a few font sizes larger then everything elseMethod 2Step 1 : Build successful companyStep 2 : Get acquired ...Profit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Method 1Step 1: Pay the Berkeley, Stanford, MIT, Waterloo, Harvard, IIT, Beijing University,Oxford, or a similar school lots of money for a piece of paper (or get lucky and get financial aid)Step 2: Pay the school even more money to get an "advanced degree"Step 3: Put all kinds of keywords on your resume/CV, but highlight the school name in bold and make it a few font sizes larger then everything elseMethod 2Step 1: Build successful companyStep 2: Get acquired ...Profit?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784770</id>
	<title>David always becomes Goliath</title>
	<author>PhantomHarlock</author>
	<datestamp>1263553860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another thing to point out, as many people here have pointed out, David almost always eventually becomes Goliath, or David eventually goes out of business.  Just compare the US federal government today to the Empire it was trying to get away from during the American Revolution.   Fortunately, it is easier to step away from a company that has been acquired should you so choose.   And quite likely with a fist of stock payout in your pocket.</p><p>The other nice thing about working for small companies, is if you see the conditions drifting towards bad management or bad decisions, you can call them out on it, and it's not too late to change course.   Big companies who have had too much success tend to get lazy.  With Microsoft, you have a company that for too long had no real competition, so they got real sloppy, and real lazy, and have trouble keeping up with the latest trends.   The cracks are starting to show at Google as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another thing to point out , as many people here have pointed out , David almost always eventually becomes Goliath , or David eventually goes out of business .
Just compare the US federal government today to the Empire it was trying to get away from during the American Revolution .
Fortunately , it is easier to step away from a company that has been acquired should you so choose .
And quite likely with a fist of stock payout in your pocket.The other nice thing about working for small companies , is if you see the conditions drifting towards bad management or bad decisions , you can call them out on it , and it 's not too late to change course .
Big companies who have had too much success tend to get lazy .
With Microsoft , you have a company that for too long had no real competition , so they got real sloppy , and real lazy , and have trouble keeping up with the latest trends .
The cracks are starting to show at Google as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another thing to point out, as many people here have pointed out, David almost always eventually becomes Goliath, or David eventually goes out of business.
Just compare the US federal government today to the Empire it was trying to get away from during the American Revolution.
Fortunately, it is easier to step away from a company that has been acquired should you so choose.
And quite likely with a fist of stock payout in your pocket.The other nice thing about working for small companies, is if you see the conditions drifting towards bad management or bad decisions, you can call them out on it, and it's not too late to change course.
Big companies who have had too much success tend to get lazy.
With Microsoft, you have a company that for too long had no real competition, so they got real sloppy, and real lazy, and have trouble keeping up with the latest trends.
The cracks are starting to show at Google as well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787888</id>
	<title>SUN, Microsoft, Google, NOKIA here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263578520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Worked for SUN, which had amazingly open culture and very nice approach towards the engineers, with excellent pay and benefits - pity the company is no more. The interview was some talk to the future manager and a few technical guys, that seemed to be very nice. Rejected their offer twice until we finalized it. Then sometimes working 80 hours/week on really critical situations that threatened company to lose millions of dollars in penalties.</p><p>Then interviewed at Microsoft and despite the recession received job offers I declined, while they are getting back to me every half year to join them. The interview was fun and relaxing, ~8 hours long. They were extremely well prepared for the interview and very professional. When discussing their culture, it was clear they tend to value individual contributions a lot and like people with "coyones". My advice, don't be afraid to confront their ideas on interviews, they seem to like people that can come up with better ideas and sell them during the interview (I did that). The interview started with HR and recruiter, continued with some tech leads and ended up with the main boss of the unit.</p><p>Then interview at Google - ~7 hours; interview was brutal comparing to MS, from the start flood of puzzles, dynamic-programming-on-the-graphs like problems and tricky algorithms that nobody solved before on interview and you were expected to solve them in 20 minutes (I really liked it, resembled crazy time at the uni!). Some people were excellent (I spoke Japanese with the first one, both of us Europeans), some were not really nice at all ("I am the best" attitude, despite being proven wrong with a counter example). Looked they weren't interested in people with a brain that can threaten they superiority, e.g. despite solving a problem optimally nobody solved before during the interview (interviewer's words), the interviewer didn't seem to be very happy in the end. Had to sign NDA before interview. Interviewed only by engineers, no managers/HR involved. No job offer resulting from this. Anyway, I enjoyed the experience (Thanks Google)!</p><p>I ended up headhunted at NOKIA, no technical questions on interview at all, which made me think if this is the right choice during the interview (possible lack of challenges in the future?). Now working on an equivalent of Google Earth for different purposes. Mix of the latest technologies (HTML5, OpenGL 3.2, Qt4 etc.) as well as really outdated ones (Swing). Playing also with Android. Culture is more sales driven than engineering driven. Quite excited by the latest NOKIA announcements. 40 hours/week, excellent personal life balance (now got time for learning piano etc.).</p><p>Look also at Glassdoor.com, you might get ideas whether you want to join a particular company or not, including interview questions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Worked for SUN , which had amazingly open culture and very nice approach towards the engineers , with excellent pay and benefits - pity the company is no more .
The interview was some talk to the future manager and a few technical guys , that seemed to be very nice .
Rejected their offer twice until we finalized it .
Then sometimes working 80 hours/week on really critical situations that threatened company to lose millions of dollars in penalties.Then interviewed at Microsoft and despite the recession received job offers I declined , while they are getting back to me every half year to join them .
The interview was fun and relaxing , ~ 8 hours long .
They were extremely well prepared for the interview and very professional .
When discussing their culture , it was clear they tend to value individual contributions a lot and like people with " coyones " .
My advice , do n't be afraid to confront their ideas on interviews , they seem to like people that can come up with better ideas and sell them during the interview ( I did that ) .
The interview started with HR and recruiter , continued with some tech leads and ended up with the main boss of the unit.Then interview at Google - ~ 7 hours ; interview was brutal comparing to MS , from the start flood of puzzles , dynamic-programming-on-the-graphs like problems and tricky algorithms that nobody solved before on interview and you were expected to solve them in 20 minutes ( I really liked it , resembled crazy time at the uni ! ) .
Some people were excellent ( I spoke Japanese with the first one , both of us Europeans ) , some were not really nice at all ( " I am the best " attitude , despite being proven wrong with a counter example ) .
Looked they were n't interested in people with a brain that can threaten they superiority , e.g .
despite solving a problem optimally nobody solved before during the interview ( interviewer 's words ) , the interviewer did n't seem to be very happy in the end .
Had to sign NDA before interview .
Interviewed only by engineers , no managers/HR involved .
No job offer resulting from this .
Anyway , I enjoyed the experience ( Thanks Google ) ! I ended up headhunted at NOKIA , no technical questions on interview at all , which made me think if this is the right choice during the interview ( possible lack of challenges in the future ? ) .
Now working on an equivalent of Google Earth for different purposes .
Mix of the latest technologies ( HTML5 , OpenGL 3.2 , Qt4 etc .
) as well as really outdated ones ( Swing ) .
Playing also with Android .
Culture is more sales driven than engineering driven .
Quite excited by the latest NOKIA announcements .
40 hours/week , excellent personal life balance ( now got time for learning piano etc .
) .Look also at Glassdoor.com , you might get ideas whether you want to join a particular company or not , including interview questions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Worked for SUN, which had amazingly open culture and very nice approach towards the engineers, with excellent pay and benefits - pity the company is no more.
The interview was some talk to the future manager and a few technical guys, that seemed to be very nice.
Rejected their offer twice until we finalized it.
Then sometimes working 80 hours/week on really critical situations that threatened company to lose millions of dollars in penalties.Then interviewed at Microsoft and despite the recession received job offers I declined, while they are getting back to me every half year to join them.
The interview was fun and relaxing, ~8 hours long.
They were extremely well prepared for the interview and very professional.
When discussing their culture, it was clear they tend to value individual contributions a lot and like people with "coyones".
My advice, don't be afraid to confront their ideas on interviews, they seem to like people that can come up with better ideas and sell them during the interview (I did that).
The interview started with HR and recruiter, continued with some tech leads and ended up with the main boss of the unit.Then interview at Google - ~7 hours; interview was brutal comparing to MS, from the start flood of puzzles, dynamic-programming-on-the-graphs like problems and tricky algorithms that nobody solved before on interview and you were expected to solve them in 20 minutes (I really liked it, resembled crazy time at the uni!).
Some people were excellent (I spoke Japanese with the first one, both of us Europeans), some were not really nice at all ("I am the best" attitude, despite being proven wrong with a counter example).
Looked they weren't interested in people with a brain that can threaten they superiority, e.g.
despite solving a problem optimally nobody solved before during the interview (interviewer's words), the interviewer didn't seem to be very happy in the end.
Had to sign NDA before interview.
Interviewed only by engineers, no managers/HR involved.
No job offer resulting from this.
Anyway, I enjoyed the experience (Thanks Google)!I ended up headhunted at NOKIA, no technical questions on interview at all, which made me think if this is the right choice during the interview (possible lack of challenges in the future?).
Now working on an equivalent of Google Earth for different purposes.
Mix of the latest technologies (HTML5, OpenGL 3.2, Qt4 etc.
) as well as really outdated ones (Swing).
Playing also with Android.
Culture is more sales driven than engineering driven.
Quite excited by the latest NOKIA announcements.
40 hours/week, excellent personal life balance (now got time for learning piano etc.
).Look also at Glassdoor.com, you might get ideas whether you want to join a particular company or not, including interview questions.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784598</id>
	<title>Nobody has thought of it</title>
	<author>francium de neobie</author>
	<datestamp>1263552900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The first page says... to get a job, you need to find a vacancy.<b>wow!</b> <br> <br>
The second page says... to get a job, you need to pay attention to the job description.<b>damn! this is awesome!</b> <br> <br>
The third page says... to get a job, you need to submit your CV and wait.<b>holy shit! it never occurred to me that I need to submit a CV!</b> <br> <br>
The fourth page says... to get a job, you need to talk relevant things during the interview.<b>oh noes! I always talk about movies during interviews!</b> <br> <br>
The fifth page says... to get a job, smart casual is a safe choice.<b>This tip is godlike! Most other applicants dress in bikini and that's why they didn't get a job!</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>The first page says... to get a job , you need to find a vacancy.wow !
The second page says... to get a job , you need to pay attention to the job description.damn !
this is awesome !
The third page says... to get a job , you need to submit your CV and wait.holy shit !
it never occurred to me that I need to submit a CV !
The fourth page says... to get a job , you need to talk relevant things during the interview.oh noes !
I always talk about movies during interviews !
The fifth page says... to get a job , smart casual is a safe choice.This tip is godlike !
Most other applicants dress in bikini and that 's why they did n't get a job !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first page says... to get a job, you need to find a vacancy.wow!
The second page says... to get a job, you need to pay attention to the job description.damn!
this is awesome!
The third page says... to get a job, you need to submit your CV and wait.holy shit!
it never occurred to me that I need to submit a CV!
The fourth page says... to get a job, you need to talk relevant things during the interview.oh noes!
I always talk about movies during interviews!
The fifth page says... to get a job, smart casual is a safe choice.This tip is godlike!
Most other applicants dress in bikini and that's why they didn't get a job!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785116</id>
	<title>Re:Freelance decker</title>
	<author>turgid</author>
	<datestamp>1263555660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Idealistic, young, shrewd people know that working 80+ hours a week for a megacorp is a hiding to nothing since by definition, megacorps are marketing-driven and can't produce anything truly interesting and exciting.
</p><p>If you are really clever, you will work for a reasonable company 35-45 hours a week and pursue your dreams in your own time on your own terms.
</p><p>Why sacrifice yourself to a bunch of ignorant, blinkered PHBs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Idealistic , young , shrewd people know that working 80 + hours a week for a megacorp is a hiding to nothing since by definition , megacorps are marketing-driven and ca n't produce anything truly interesting and exciting .
If you are really clever , you will work for a reasonable company 35-45 hours a week and pursue your dreams in your own time on your own terms .
Why sacrifice yourself to a bunch of ignorant , blinkered PHBs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Idealistic, young, shrewd people know that working 80+ hours a week for a megacorp is a hiding to nothing since by definition, megacorps are marketing-driven and can't produce anything truly interesting and exciting.
If you are really clever, you will work for a reasonable company 35-45 hours a week and pursue your dreams in your own time on your own terms.
Why sacrifice yourself to a bunch of ignorant, blinkered PHBs?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784638</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30788044</id>
	<title>Re:Megacorp aside... innovative jobs instead...</title>
	<author>pete6677</author>
	<datestamp>1263580080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In other words, your organization wants to buy a Mercedes at Ford Focus prices. This is so very common in the "non profit" world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In other words , your organization wants to buy a Mercedes at Ford Focus prices .
This is so very common in the " non profit " world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other words, your organization wants to buy a Mercedes at Ford Focus prices.
This is so very common in the "non profit" world.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784798</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787740</id>
	<title>it's better to be a pirate...?</title>
	<author>vaporland</author>
	<datestamp>1263576960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>than join the Navy?</htmltext>
<tokenext>than join the Navy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>than join the Navy?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784492</parent>
</comment>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_58</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784770
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30816596
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_61</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784492
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785700
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787600
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_34</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784602
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785024
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_48</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784580
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785240
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_4</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784580
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784876
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785070
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_51</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784660
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786820
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_27</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784498
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784902
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785384
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_17</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784618
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30789630
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_5</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784776
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785746
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_22</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784776
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785840
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_56</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784618
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785662
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787750
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_47</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784700
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30794204
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_50</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784776
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784956
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_46</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784492
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785700
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786714
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_37</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786676
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30813492
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_2</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784598
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784696
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_40</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784598
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787762
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_14</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784598
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785062
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_38</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784580
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785828
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_20</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785538
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786396
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_8</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784660
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784946
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_43</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784582
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784774
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785198
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_45</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784664
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785980
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_59</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784466
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786332
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787218
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_62</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784776
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785830
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30788480
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_33</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784598
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785444
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_35</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784582
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784774
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785176
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_12</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784602
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785108
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_26</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784664
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786720
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_6</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785104
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30789260
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_41</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784492
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785700
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30788958
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_32</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784776
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785830
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30789306
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_55</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784492
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785700
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786614
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_57</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786092
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30788540
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_18</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784798
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785888
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_60</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784776
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786322
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_31</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784492
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787740
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_25</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784606
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786556
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_24</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784582
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784774
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784916
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_15</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784582
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784774
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785918
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_9</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786092
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787298
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_49</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784798
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785692
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30788120
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_3</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784798
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30788044
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_52</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784660
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784994
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_54</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784616
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30788612
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_39</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784660
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785312
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_30</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784582
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784774
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785186
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_53</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784580
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785270
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_16</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784492
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785700
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30797320
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_44</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784498
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784752
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_0</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784580
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784876
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786044
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_21</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784606
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785068
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785642
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_23</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784492
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784658
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_11</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784598
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784806
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_13</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784598
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785928
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_1</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784598
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785050
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_36</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784498
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785178
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_29</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784580
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785808
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_42</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784492
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784638
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785116
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_28</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785104
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30807046
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_19</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784498
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784644
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_10</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784492
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785700
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787744
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_10_01_15_1958200_7</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784606
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784988
</commentlist>
</thread>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.20</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784528
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.26</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785128
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.24</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784602
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785024
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785108
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.9</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784798
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785692
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30788120
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30788044
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785888
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.7</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784606
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784988
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786556
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785068
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785642
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.18</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784664
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785980
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786720
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.16</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786064
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.1</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784498
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784752
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784902
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785384
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784644
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785178
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.19</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784582
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784774
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785918
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784916
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785198
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785186
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785176
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.17</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784776
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784956
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785840
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785830
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30788480
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30789306
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785746
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786322
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.8</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784958
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.10</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784616
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30788612
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.6</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785104
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30789260
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30807046
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.5</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784618
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30789630
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785662
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787750
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.3</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784608
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.11</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784598
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787762
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785444
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784696
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785928
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785050
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784806
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785062
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.14</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785538
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786396
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.12</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786092
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30788540
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787298
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.0</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784700
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30794204
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.23</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784770
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30816596
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.15</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784466
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786332
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787218
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.13</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784492
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784638
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785116
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784658
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785700
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786614
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787744
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30797320
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787600
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30788958
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786714
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30787740
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.4</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786676
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30813492
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.27</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785048
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.2</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786186
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.21</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784660
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784994
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785312
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784946
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786820
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.25</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784580
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785828
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785270
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785808
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30784876
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30786044
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785070
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785240
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_01_15_1958200.22</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1958200.30785310
</commentlist>
</conversation>
