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	<title>WHO To Investigate Handling of Swine Flu Information, Vaccine Orders</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1263581040000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>krou writes <i>"With swine flu fading in the UK (projected winter deaths of 65,000 have been downgraded to 1,000, and new cases are decreasing) <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/ferguswalsh/2010/01/tens\_of\_millions\_of\_doses\_of\_swine\_flu\_vaccine\_to.html">the UK government has been left with millions of unused vaccines</a>, and (unlike its contract with Baxter) no clear break-clause to get out of its contract with GlaxoSmithKlein. Although the amount paid for vaccines has not been disclosed, it likely cost the UK government several hundred million pounds. Other governments <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60A1G820100111">are also in a similar position</a>: the US ordered 251 million doses of the vaccine, and France and Germany are aiming to cut back on their orders considerably. To say that the case for the pandemic has been over-estimated appears to be an understatement. Now, the WHO has <a href="http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0114/1224262291929.html">announced</a> that it is to investigate whether or not it bowed to pressure from drugs companies to overplay the threat."</i> (Continues, below.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>krou writes " With swine flu fading in the UK ( projected winter deaths of 65,000 have been downgraded to 1,000 , and new cases are decreasing ) the UK government has been left with millions of unused vaccines , and ( unlike its contract with Baxter ) no clear break-clause to get out of its contract with GlaxoSmithKlein .
Although the amount paid for vaccines has not been disclosed , it likely cost the UK government several hundred million pounds .
Other governments are also in a similar position : the US ordered 251 million doses of the vaccine , and France and Germany are aiming to cut back on their orders considerably .
To say that the case for the pandemic has been over-estimated appears to be an understatement .
Now , the WHO has announced that it is to investigate whether or not it bowed to pressure from drugs companies to overplay the threat .
" ( Continues , below .
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<sentencetext>krou writes "With swine flu fading in the UK (projected winter deaths of 65,000 have been downgraded to 1,000, and new cases are decreasing) the UK government has been left with millions of unused vaccines, and (unlike its contract with Baxter) no clear break-clause to get out of its contract with GlaxoSmithKlein.
Although the amount paid for vaccines has not been disclosed, it likely cost the UK government several hundred million pounds.
Other governments are also in a similar position: the US ordered 251 million doses of the vaccine, and France and Germany are aiming to cut back on their orders considerably.
To say that the case for the pandemic has been over-estimated appears to be an understatement.
Now, the WHO has announced that it is to investigate whether or not it bowed to pressure from drugs companies to overplay the threat.
" (Continues, below.
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	<title>Re:Hello, think a little!</title>
	<author>brbrbrad</author>
	<datestamp>1263581760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Failure to make a decision is indistingishable from deciding to do nothing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Failure to make a decision is indistingishable from deciding to do nothing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Failure to make a decision is indistingishable from deciding to do nothing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776132</id>
	<title>Please, let us not be ignorant next time.</title>
	<author>starbugs</author>
	<datestamp>1263587640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I have to thank Canada's National Post newspaper. Throughout this 'non-crisis' it kept on telling people that the numbers did not add up. Maybe I would have felt differently if I had not gotten it myself before this hysteria reached its apex. The "normal" flu I got 3 months later was actually worse for me.</p><p>As usual, the biggest winners are the drug companies. (someone should write an article about stock company values before and after) The biggest losers are the people who were affected and died of H1N1, and in the end - us.</p><p>Next time a pandemic hits, we will be more ignorant. If it's another SARS then far more people will die before people get the message that it's not just another H1N1.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to thank Canada 's National Post newspaper .
Throughout this 'non-crisis ' it kept on telling people that the numbers did not add up .
Maybe I would have felt differently if I had not gotten it myself before this hysteria reached its apex .
The " normal " flu I got 3 months later was actually worse for me.As usual , the biggest winners are the drug companies .
( someone should write an article about stock company values before and after ) The biggest losers are the people who were affected and died of H1N1 , and in the end - us.Next time a pandemic hits , we will be more ignorant .
If it 's another SARS then far more people will die before people get the message that it 's not just another H1N1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to thank Canada's National Post newspaper.
Throughout this 'non-crisis' it kept on telling people that the numbers did not add up.
Maybe I would have felt differently if I had not gotten it myself before this hysteria reached its apex.
The "normal" flu I got 3 months later was actually worse for me.As usual, the biggest winners are the drug companies.
(someone should write an article about stock company values before and after) The biggest losers are the people who were affected and died of H1N1, and in the end - us.Next time a pandemic hits, we will be more ignorant.
If it's another SARS then far more people will die before people get the message that it's not just another H1N1.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Not only UK</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263550980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><i>This case did not only occur in the UK. Sweden bought 18 million doses, to a population of 9 million at price of about 140,000,000 USD.</i> </p><p>Unfortunately your dollar numbers are about three zeros short of what it takes to get the attention of politicians these days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This case did not only occur in the UK .
Sweden bought 18 million doses , to a population of 9 million at price of about 140,000,000 USD .
Unfortunately your dollar numbers are about three zeros short of what it takes to get the attention of politicians these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This case did not only occur in the UK.
Sweden bought 18 million doses, to a population of 9 million at price of about 140,000,000 USD.
Unfortunately your dollar numbers are about three zeros short of what it takes to get the attention of politicians these days.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777176</id>
	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>devonbowen</author>
	<datestamp>1263557820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>According to the New England Journal of Medicine, 3,000 children, teenagers and young people died this year from the H1N1 flu. These are otherwise healthy young people who would not otherwise have died. A lot of them were infants under 5 years old.</i></p><p>Did you really just use a "think of the children" argument?</p><p>Devon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the New England Journal of Medicine , 3,000 children , teenagers and young people died this year from the H1N1 flu .
These are otherwise healthy young people who would not otherwise have died .
A lot of them were infants under 5 years old.Did you really just use a " think of the children " argument ? Devon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the New England Journal of Medicine, 3,000 children, teenagers and young people died this year from the H1N1 flu.
These are otherwise healthy young people who would not otherwise have died.
A lot of them were infants under 5 years old.Did you really just use a "think of the children" argument?Devon</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>ishobo</author>
	<datestamp>1263561780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <a href="http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=1229" title="sciencebasedmedicine.org">http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=1229</a> [sciencebasedmedicine.org] </p><p>An Influenza Primer</p><p>The President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology recently submitted its report to the president in which they stated that this influenza season might kill 30-90,000 people in the US.  This forecast of the upcoming season caught the media's attention and appears to have stoked the public interest in influenza.  We have had many requests for more information about influenza here at SBM, and so in this post I am going to discuss the basics of influenza and try to put the current pandemic and upcoming season in perspective.</p><p>I find it is best to start at the beginning.</p><p>What Is Influenza?</p><p>Within the public sphere, "The flu" has become shorthand for "I feel like crap."  I suspect that this is part of the reason why some people think the influenza vaccine doesn't work.  Medically speaking, however, influenza is a very specific family of viruses that cause a reasonably narrow set of problems for humans.</p><p>The influenza season in the Northern hemisphere usually runs from October through May, with a peak mid-February.  Every season in the US between 5-20\% of the US population is infected by influenza, and while the majority of people recover well from an influenza infection, not everyone will.  Annually 200,000 people are hospitalized, and on average 36,000 will die either from influenza or its complications.</p><p>The classic influenza infection incubates for 1-4 days after exposure.  Its onset is rapid, with most people experiencing high fever, headache, muscle aches, dry cough, sore throat, and nasal congestion.  Gastro-intestinal symptoms like nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea are less common.  Symptoms last from several days to almost two weeks, and a person is contagious from one day before symptoms begin to more than a week after symptom onset.</p><p>There are many strains of influenza. The current seasonal influenza is made up of three different influenza subtypes: A(H3N2), A(H1N1), and B.  Don't confuse the seasonal A(H1N1) strain with the current pandemic 2009 A(H1N1); they are distinct.  I will refer to them as A(H1N1) for the seasonal strain, and 2009 (H1N1) for the pandemic "swine flu" strain.  Influenza B is less common, less virulent, has a slower mutation rate, and is thus a lesser risk; the rest of this discussion is focused on Influenza A.</p><p>How Does Influenza Spread?</p><p>Influenza has two dominant modes of transmission: droplet and contact transmission. Droplet means that when someone coughs or sneezes, extremely fine (and sometimes not-so-fine) droplets are aerosolized into the air around them.  If these droplets come in contact with your nose, mouth, throat, or lungs, it is possible for you to become infected by the viruses in those droplets.</p><p>The second way influenza can be spread is either through direct contact or through an intermediate like a doorknob, known as a "fomite."  The virus can survive for minutes to days depending on the surface, and if you touch that surface then your mouth or nose, again, it is possible that you can become infected.  Influenza does not appear to be capable of spreading long distances through the air (across large rooms or through air vents).</p><p>How Does Influenza Change?</p><p>Influenza A is a versatile virus with many distinct serotypes.  Most people are familiar with human, bird, and swine influenza, but influenza is in fact able to infect a large number of avian and mammalian species on the planet.  It is important to realize that these viruses are not, despite their name, truly species specific. Random mutations and natural selection frequently create new strains of influenza capable of infecting other species; in its ability to mutate influenza is unparalleled.</p><p>Influenza is an RNA virus encoded by just 11 genes on 8 separate RNA segments.  With only 11 genes, you can see that influenza is a relatively simple virus.  But its simplicity is one of the most significant reasons for its succe</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ ? p = 1229 [ sciencebasedmedicine.org ] An Influenza PrimerThe President 's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology recently submitted its report to the president in which they stated that this influenza season might kill 30-90,000 people in the US .
This forecast of the upcoming season caught the media 's attention and appears to have stoked the public interest in influenza .
We have had many requests for more information about influenza here at SBM , and so in this post I am going to discuss the basics of influenza and try to put the current pandemic and upcoming season in perspective.I find it is best to start at the beginning.What Is Influenza ? Within the public sphere , " The flu " has become shorthand for " I feel like crap .
" I suspect that this is part of the reason why some people think the influenza vaccine does n't work .
Medically speaking , however , influenza is a very specific family of viruses that cause a reasonably narrow set of problems for humans.The influenza season in the Northern hemisphere usually runs from October through May , with a peak mid-February .
Every season in the US between 5-20 \ % of the US population is infected by influenza , and while the majority of people recover well from an influenza infection , not everyone will .
Annually 200,000 people are hospitalized , and on average 36,000 will die either from influenza or its complications.The classic influenza infection incubates for 1-4 days after exposure .
Its onset is rapid , with most people experiencing high fever , headache , muscle aches , dry cough , sore throat , and nasal congestion .
Gastro-intestinal symptoms like nausea , vomiting , and diarrhea are less common .
Symptoms last from several days to almost two weeks , and a person is contagious from one day before symptoms begin to more than a week after symptom onset.There are many strains of influenza .
The current seasonal influenza is made up of three different influenza subtypes : A ( H3N2 ) , A ( H1N1 ) , and B. Do n't confuse the seasonal A ( H1N1 ) strain with the current pandemic 2009 A ( H1N1 ) ; they are distinct .
I will refer to them as A ( H1N1 ) for the seasonal strain , and 2009 ( H1N1 ) for the pandemic " swine flu " strain .
Influenza B is less common , less virulent , has a slower mutation rate , and is thus a lesser risk ; the rest of this discussion is focused on Influenza A.How Does Influenza Spread ? Influenza has two dominant modes of transmission : droplet and contact transmission .
Droplet means that when someone coughs or sneezes , extremely fine ( and sometimes not-so-fine ) droplets are aerosolized into the air around them .
If these droplets come in contact with your nose , mouth , throat , or lungs , it is possible for you to become infected by the viruses in those droplets.The second way influenza can be spread is either through direct contact or through an intermediate like a doorknob , known as a " fomite .
" The virus can survive for minutes to days depending on the surface , and if you touch that surface then your mouth or nose , again , it is possible that you can become infected .
Influenza does not appear to be capable of spreading long distances through the air ( across large rooms or through air vents ) .How Does Influenza Change ? Influenza A is a versatile virus with many distinct serotypes .
Most people are familiar with human , bird , and swine influenza , but influenza is in fact able to infect a large number of avian and mammalian species on the planet .
It is important to realize that these viruses are not , despite their name , truly species specific .
Random mutations and natural selection frequently create new strains of influenza capable of infecting other species ; in its ability to mutate influenza is unparalleled.Influenza is an RNA virus encoded by just 11 genes on 8 separate RNA segments .
With only 11 genes , you can see that influenza is a relatively simple virus .
But its simplicity is one of the most significant reasons for its succe</tokentext>
<sentencetext> http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=1229 [sciencebasedmedicine.org] An Influenza PrimerThe President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology recently submitted its report to the president in which they stated that this influenza season might kill 30-90,000 people in the US.
This forecast of the upcoming season caught the media's attention and appears to have stoked the public interest in influenza.
We have had many requests for more information about influenza here at SBM, and so in this post I am going to discuss the basics of influenza and try to put the current pandemic and upcoming season in perspective.I find it is best to start at the beginning.What Is Influenza?Within the public sphere, "The flu" has become shorthand for "I feel like crap.
"  I suspect that this is part of the reason why some people think the influenza vaccine doesn't work.
Medically speaking, however, influenza is a very specific family of viruses that cause a reasonably narrow set of problems for humans.The influenza season in the Northern hemisphere usually runs from October through May, with a peak mid-February.
Every season in the US between 5-20\% of the US population is infected by influenza, and while the majority of people recover well from an influenza infection, not everyone will.
Annually 200,000 people are hospitalized, and on average 36,000 will die either from influenza or its complications.The classic influenza infection incubates for 1-4 days after exposure.
Its onset is rapid, with most people experiencing high fever, headache, muscle aches, dry cough, sore throat, and nasal congestion.
Gastro-intestinal symptoms like nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea are less common.
Symptoms last from several days to almost two weeks, and a person is contagious from one day before symptoms begin to more than a week after symptom onset.There are many strains of influenza.
The current seasonal influenza is made up of three different influenza subtypes: A(H3N2), A(H1N1), and B.  Don't confuse the seasonal A(H1N1) strain with the current pandemic 2009 A(H1N1); they are distinct.
I will refer to them as A(H1N1) for the seasonal strain, and 2009 (H1N1) for the pandemic "swine flu" strain.
Influenza B is less common, less virulent, has a slower mutation rate, and is thus a lesser risk; the rest of this discussion is focused on Influenza A.How Does Influenza Spread?Influenza has two dominant modes of transmission: droplet and contact transmission.
Droplet means that when someone coughs or sneezes, extremely fine (and sometimes not-so-fine) droplets are aerosolized into the air around them.
If these droplets come in contact with your nose, mouth, throat, or lungs, it is possible for you to become infected by the viruses in those droplets.The second way influenza can be spread is either through direct contact or through an intermediate like a doorknob, known as a "fomite.
"  The virus can survive for minutes to days depending on the surface, and if you touch that surface then your mouth or nose, again, it is possible that you can become infected.
Influenza does not appear to be capable of spreading long distances through the air (across large rooms or through air vents).How Does Influenza Change?Influenza A is a versatile virus with many distinct serotypes.
Most people are familiar with human, bird, and swine influenza, but influenza is in fact able to infect a large number of avian and mammalian species on the planet.
It is important to realize that these viruses are not, despite their name, truly species specific.
Random mutations and natural selection frequently create new strains of influenza capable of infecting other species; in its ability to mutate influenza is unparalleled.Influenza is an RNA virus encoded by just 11 genes on 8 separate RNA segments.
With only 11 genes, you can see that influenza is a relatively simple virus.
But its simplicity is one of the most significant reasons for its succe</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Shifting the blame?</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1263562800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Governments had a big incentive too - relatively recent financial crisis was still looming in the news, so it was convenient to have a "serious" topic that would shift the attention away from their f***ups.</p><p>In some places, in Ukraine for example, the promotion of hysteria went to comical levels (but they also have presidential election now, and such things are very strong element of them there)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Governments had a big incentive too - relatively recent financial crisis was still looming in the news , so it was convenient to have a " serious " topic that would shift the attention away from their f * * * ups.In some places , in Ukraine for example , the promotion of hysteria went to comical levels ( but they also have presidential election now , and such things are very strong element of them there )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Governments had a big incentive too - relatively recent financial crisis was still looming in the news, so it was convenient to have a "serious" topic that would shift the attention away from their f***ups.In some places, in Ukraine for example, the promotion of hysteria went to comical levels (but they also have presidential election now, and such things are very strong element of them there)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30779298</id>
	<title>Re:pandemic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263573240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More people have frozen to death since the "pandemic" started than have died due to swine flu infection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More people have frozen to death since the " pandemic " started than have died due to swine flu infection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More people have frozen to death since the "pandemic" started than have died due to swine flu infection.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776156</id>
	<title>Swine flu ad on top of page.</title>
	<author>starbugs</author>
	<datestamp>1263588120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The 'swine flu' ad that appears on top of this page while I'm writing this is hilarious (considering the topic).</p><p>Thank you Ads by Google for making me laugh.</p><p>Do you guys in GB see it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The 'swine flu ' ad that appears on top of this page while I 'm writing this is hilarious ( considering the topic ) .Thank you Ads by Google for making me laugh.Do you guys in GB see it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 'swine flu' ad that appears on top of this page while I'm writing this is hilarious (considering the topic).Thank you Ads by Google for making me laugh.Do you guys in GB see it?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Fear-fad</title>
	<author>harl</author>
	<datestamp>1263587940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>What you've described is identical to the plain old flu.  Secondary infections, pneumonia, are a huge risk with the plain old flu.</p><p>You also describe a range of illness.  Some people were meh.  Some got hit hard.  Again you are describing something identical to the the plain old flu.</p><p>It wasn't a more deadly flu molecule it was a differently shaped flu molecule.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What you 've described is identical to the plain old flu .
Secondary infections , pneumonia , are a huge risk with the plain old flu.You also describe a range of illness .
Some people were meh .
Some got hit hard .
Again you are describing something identical to the the plain old flu.It was n't a more deadly flu molecule it was a differently shaped flu molecule .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you've described is identical to the plain old flu.
Secondary infections, pneumonia, are a huge risk with the plain old flu.You also describe a range of illness.
Some people were meh.
Some got hit hard.
Again you are describing something identical to the the plain old flu.It wasn't a more deadly flu molecule it was a differently shaped flu molecule.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:why are people calling this fearmongering?</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1263581940000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>What you say was true at the VERY beginning when we had some scary fatality figures at ground zero. However, all of the figures after that suggested that it was a fairly mild illness with little chance of fatality. Every single day gave us more reason to believe that there was no great threat. By the time the vaccine was rushed into production we had an ample body of evidence that we were wasting our time. By the time people actually got the flu shots and they became effective, we were already past the peak.</p><p>If you wait until the tide is going out, you can quite successfully sweep the ocean off the beach with a broom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What you say was true at the VERY beginning when we had some scary fatality figures at ground zero .
However , all of the figures after that suggested that it was a fairly mild illness with little chance of fatality .
Every single day gave us more reason to believe that there was no great threat .
By the time the vaccine was rushed into production we had an ample body of evidence that we were wasting our time .
By the time people actually got the flu shots and they became effective , we were already past the peak.If you wait until the tide is going out , you can quite successfully sweep the ocean off the beach with a broom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you say was true at the VERY beginning when we had some scary fatality figures at ground zero.
However, all of the figures after that suggested that it was a fairly mild illness with little chance of fatality.
Every single day gave us more reason to believe that there was no great threat.
By the time the vaccine was rushed into production we had an ample body of evidence that we were wasting our time.
By the time people actually got the flu shots and they became effective, we were already past the peak.If you wait until the tide is going out, you can quite successfully sweep the ocean off the beach with a broom.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263562980000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Are you a doctor? Are you a virologist?</p></div><p>Do people in any of these professions ever recieve "incentives" from the pharmaceutical industry? Don't bother answering that was a purely rhetorical question.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>What the fuck do you know?</p></div><p>Are you a doctor in a field that bear any relevance what so ever to the topic at hand? If not, what the fuck do you know that is of any more value in this discussion than the parent does?</p></div>
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<tokenext>Are you a doctor ?
Are you a virologist ? Do people in any of these professions ever recieve " incentives " from the pharmaceutical industry ?
Do n't bother answering that was a purely rhetorical question.What the fuck do you know ? Are you a doctor in a field that bear any relevance what so ever to the topic at hand ?
If not , what the fuck do you know that is of any more value in this discussion than the parent does ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you a doctor?
Are you a virologist?Do people in any of these professions ever recieve "incentives" from the pharmaceutical industry?
Don't bother answering that was a purely rhetorical question.What the fuck do you know?Are you a doctor in a field that bear any relevance what so ever to the topic at hand?
If not, what the fuck do you know that is of any more value in this discussion than the parent does?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777772</id>
	<title>Re:Hello, think a little!</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1263564480000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>We can see the difference between 1 and 3. It's not about ordering the vaccines, it's about vaccinating. A thing which most people ignored.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We can see the difference between 1 and 3 .
It 's not about ordering the vaccines , it 's about vaccinating .
A thing which most people ignored .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We can see the difference between 1 and 3.
It's not about ordering the vaccines, it's about vaccinating.
A thing which most people ignored.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778578</id>
	<title>Re:I actually like swine flu</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1263569160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I'm glad we have a single anecdote from someone posting on an Internet forum to counter all that nonsense in the media.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I 'm glad we have a single anecdote from someone posting on an Internet forum to counter all that nonsense in the media .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I'm glad we have a single anecdote from someone posting on an Internet forum to counter all that nonsense in the media.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30780920</id>
	<title>Re:This made my day</title>
	<author>BJ\_Covert\_Action</author>
	<datestamp>1263580560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It is against the law to profit from your crimes in this country.</p></div><p>
Which country would that be? I know it can't be America. It appears that we sponsor crime in this country with bailouts to ensure that folks do make a profit...at least, that's what the most recent round of Wall Street bonuses seems to say.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/shrug</p></div>
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<tokenext>It is against the law to profit from your crimes in this country .
Which country would that be ?
I know it ca n't be America .
It appears that we sponsor crime in this country with bailouts to ensure that folks do make a profit...at least , that 's what the most recent round of Wall Street bonuses seems to say .
/shrug</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is against the law to profit from your crimes in this country.
Which country would that be?
I know it can't be America.
It appears that we sponsor crime in this country with bailouts to ensure that folks do make a profit...at least, that's what the most recent round of Wall Street bonuses seems to say.
/shrug
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777328</id>
	<title>Am I the only one who read this as...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1263559680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>With swine flu fad fading in the UK</p></div><p>Seriously, how was the whole thing not a giant FUD machine to make money?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>projected winter deaths of 65,000 have been downgraded to 1,000, and new cases are decreasing</p></div><p>Oh boy... Why not from 20 million to... about five!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)<br>Way to over-hype.</p><p>And the best thing is, that it&rsquo;s less bad than normal flu. I may have even had it, and not notice that it was the swine variant.<br>In that case I now vaccinated myself for free. With my hyper-advanced protection system, called... <em>the immune system</em>.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></div>
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<tokenext>With swine flu fad fading in the UKSeriously , how was the whole thing not a giant FUD machine to make money ? projected winter deaths of 65,000 have been downgraded to 1,000 , and new cases are decreasingOh boy... Why not from 20 million to... about five !
; ) Way to over-hype.And the best thing is , that it    s less bad than normal flu .
I may have even had it , and not notice that it was the swine variant.In that case I now vaccinated myself for free .
With my hyper-advanced protection system , called... the immune system .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With swine flu fad fading in the UKSeriously, how was the whole thing not a giant FUD machine to make money?projected winter deaths of 65,000 have been downgraded to 1,000, and new cases are decreasingOh boy... Why not from 20 million to... about five!
;)Way to over-hype.And the best thing is, that it’s less bad than normal flu.
I may have even had it, and not notice that it was the swine variant.In that case I now vaccinated myself for free.
With my hyper-advanced protection system, called... the immune system.
;)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776324</id>
	<title>Re:Fear-fad</title>
	<author>causality</author>
	<datestamp>1263547380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Lol. I never could understand why people bought into the swine flu hysteria nonsense. If you looked at the numbers for how many people actually got sick and how many died from it, IT'S JUST THE FREAKING FLU! Jeesh. I wonder what the next fear-fad will be? I'm rooting for alien invasions.</p></div><p>Actually that's incorrect.  "Just the flu" is far deadlier each year than the swine flu has ever been in sum total.  Therefore, it's even more of a non-issue to me than the regular "feel like shit for a while and get over it" influenza.  The only problem, and it isn't my problem, is that it's hard to sell vaccines to people who feel this way.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Lol .
I never could understand why people bought into the swine flu hysteria nonsense .
If you looked at the numbers for how many people actually got sick and how many died from it , IT 'S JUST THE FREAKING FLU !
Jeesh. I wonder what the next fear-fad will be ?
I 'm rooting for alien invasions.Actually that 's incorrect .
" Just the flu " is far deadlier each year than the swine flu has ever been in sum total .
Therefore , it 's even more of a non-issue to me than the regular " feel like shit for a while and get over it " influenza .
The only problem , and it is n't my problem , is that it 's hard to sell vaccines to people who feel this way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lol.
I never could understand why people bought into the swine flu hysteria nonsense.
If you looked at the numbers for how many people actually got sick and how many died from it, IT'S JUST THE FREAKING FLU!
Jeesh. I wonder what the next fear-fad will be?
I'm rooting for alien invasions.Actually that's incorrect.
"Just the flu" is far deadlier each year than the swine flu has ever been in sum total.
Therefore, it's even more of a non-issue to me than the regular "feel like shit for a while and get over it" influenza.
The only problem, and it isn't my problem, is that it's hard to sell vaccines to people who feel this way.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776004</id>
	<title>Re:I actually like swine flu</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263585840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ooo it's a eugenic virus.</p><p>Maybe this is a solution to the sociological theory of "the end of evolution"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ooo it 's a eugenic virus.Maybe this is a solution to the sociological theory of " the end of evolution "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ooo it's a eugenic virus.Maybe this is a solution to the sociological theory of "the end of evolution"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778504</id>
	<title>Re:This made my day</title>
	<author>cmarkn</author>
	<datestamp>1263568800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>That's a mighty libelous accusation you have made there, hotshot. Got anything to back it up?</p><p>Yeah, I didn&rsquo;t think so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a mighty libelous accusation you have made there , hotshot .
Got anything to back it up ? Yeah , I didn    t think so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a mighty libelous accusation you have made there, hotshot.
Got anything to back it up?Yeah, I didn’t think so.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777404</id>
	<title>Is your name Donald Rumsfeld...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263560460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>How much more of this rubbish of the known unknowns and unknown unknowns do we have to hear? There was no factual data, many people in the scientific community supported this view yet our business controlled governments handed over billions for vaccines we don't need. Vaccine's that woudn't have worked anyway for which we, the people, will be suffering the side effects of for the next 2 generations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How much more of this rubbish of the known unknowns and unknown unknowns do we have to hear ?
There was no factual data , many people in the scientific community supported this view yet our business controlled governments handed over billions for vaccines we do n't need .
Vaccine 's that woud n't have worked anyway for which we , the people , will be suffering the side effects of for the next 2 generations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much more of this rubbish of the known unknowns and unknown unknowns do we have to hear?
There was no factual data, many people in the scientific community supported this view yet our business controlled governments handed over billions for vaccines we don't need.
Vaccine's that woudn't have worked anyway for which we, the people, will be suffering the side effects of for the next 2 generations.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30779472</id>
	<title>UG, you people.</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1263574140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SOme facts you should know:<br>1) In the uK vaccines use is down accross the boards thanks to the anti vaxxers. And oh yeah, measles and other deadly childhood diseases are making a come back.</p><p>2) Pandemic has a very specific meaning, a definition  H1N1  clearly fell into.</p><p>3) It's ahrd to balance getting informaiton out there and temporing the medias responce. The media wants on or off.</p><p>4) The Vaccines save many lives.</p><p>5) It was a new strain, no one know anything about  and ti started by killing people. Based on what was known last april, tWHo's response was appropriate.</p><p>6) It's not over. the 1918 flu bounced around the globe for 3 years before it started killing people in large numbers.</p><p>7)The H1N1 will very likely become part of the regular flu shot. If this happens (and it should) it will temper any future pandemic out breaks.</p><p>8) I can not stress this enough: It's about risk. based on evidence and experience. Had WHO said nothing there would ahve been, statistically speaking, 10,000 more deaths, at a min. Also, ig they ignore the evidence and take a sit and wait attitude that means when a big one hits, it will kill far more.</p><p>9) Don't underestimate the vaccinations, and the increase in general hygiene effect on dampening the disease.</p><p>10) there is a large movement of people trying to stop all vaccines. These people are fucking idiots, but they have a lot of money. They have a long and documented history of lying and abusing the court system.<br>go ehre and read up:<br><a href="http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/" title="sciencebasedmedicine.org">http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/</a> [sciencebasedmedicine.org]</p><p>There was excellent coverage by Mark Crislip, in fact go get his pod cat 'quackcast'</p><p>It's funny how few of you people on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. actually understand the numbers, and ruisk medigation. Goes to show, when thinking on a emotional level no one can understand statistics.</p><p>SOoner or later a pandemic that kuills many millions will happen. You have to act immediatly to stop that risk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SOme facts you should know : 1 ) In the uK vaccines use is down accross the boards thanks to the anti vaxxers .
And oh yeah , measles and other deadly childhood diseases are making a come back.2 ) Pandemic has a very specific meaning , a definition H1N1 clearly fell into.3 ) It 's ahrd to balance getting informaiton out there and temporing the medias responce .
The media wants on or off.4 ) The Vaccines save many lives.5 ) It was a new strain , no one know anything about and ti started by killing people .
Based on what was known last april , tWHo 's response was appropriate.6 ) It 's not over .
the 1918 flu bounced around the globe for 3 years before it started killing people in large numbers.7 ) The H1N1 will very likely become part of the regular flu shot .
If this happens ( and it should ) it will temper any future pandemic out breaks.8 ) I can not stress this enough : It 's about risk .
based on evidence and experience .
Had WHO said nothing there would ahve been , statistically speaking , 10,000 more deaths , at a min .
Also , ig they ignore the evidence and take a sit and wait attitude that means when a big one hits , it will kill far more.9 ) Do n't underestimate the vaccinations , and the increase in general hygiene effect on dampening the disease.10 ) there is a large movement of people trying to stop all vaccines .
These people are fucking idiots , but they have a lot of money .
They have a long and documented history of lying and abusing the court system.go ehre and read up : http : //www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ [ sciencebasedmedicine.org ] There was excellent coverage by Mark Crislip , in fact go get his pod cat 'quackcast'It 's funny how few of you people on / .
actually understand the numbers , and ruisk medigation .
Goes to show , when thinking on a emotional level no one can understand statistics.SOoner or later a pandemic that kuills many millions will happen .
You have to act immediatly to stop that risk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SOme facts you should know:1) In the uK vaccines use is down accross the boards thanks to the anti vaxxers.
And oh yeah, measles and other deadly childhood diseases are making a come back.2) Pandemic has a very specific meaning, a definition  H1N1  clearly fell into.3) It's ahrd to balance getting informaiton out there and temporing the medias responce.
The media wants on or off.4) The Vaccines save many lives.5) It was a new strain, no one know anything about  and ti started by killing people.
Based on what was known last april, tWHo's response was appropriate.6) It's not over.
the 1918 flu bounced around the globe for 3 years before it started killing people in large numbers.7)The H1N1 will very likely become part of the regular flu shot.
If this happens (and it should) it will temper any future pandemic out breaks.8) I can not stress this enough: It's about risk.
based on evidence and experience.
Had WHO said nothing there would ahve been, statistically speaking, 10,000 more deaths, at a min.
Also, ig they ignore the evidence and take a sit and wait attitude that means when a big one hits, it will kill far more.9) Don't underestimate the vaccinations, and the increase in general hygiene effect on dampening the disease.10) there is a large movement of people trying to stop all vaccines.
These people are fucking idiots, but they have a lot of money.
They have a long and documented history of lying and abusing the court system.go ehre and read up:http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ [sciencebasedmedicine.org]There was excellent coverage by Mark Crislip, in fact go get his pod cat 'quackcast'It's funny how few of you people on /.
actually understand the numbers, and ruisk medigation.
Goes to show, when thinking on a emotional level no one can understand statistics.SOoner or later a pandemic that kuills many millions will happen.
You have to act immediatly to stop that risk.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30784406</id>
	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>winwar</author>
	<datestamp>1263552060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I am a doctor,..."</p><p>Which only proves that doctors and science don't have to mix.  Or as the old joke says, what do you call a medical student who graduates at the bottom of their class...</p><p>"But the vaccine itself has also been more aggressive, and normal safety checks and clinical studies were bypassed.."</p><p>Wrong.  The side effects, or lack thereof, were also tracked very closely.  <a href="http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=3029#more-3029" title="sciencebasedmedicine.org">http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=3029#more-3029</a> [sciencebasedmedicine.org]</p><p>"Ok, the H1N1 strain might be a bit more aggressive."</p><p>Yes.  Killing people with healthy immune systems would be considered "aggressive".  About 1\% of people who get H1N1 have to be hospitalized and 15 to 33\% of those ended up in the ICU (when it's bad, it's bad). <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17753-dont-be-fooled-swine-flu-still-poses-a-deadly-threat.html" title="newscientist.com">http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17753-dont-be-fooled-swine-flu-still-poses-a-deadly-threat.html</a> [newscientist.com]  It's not normal to have ICU's full of people from the flu.</p><p>"And many have been put under pressure to get vaccinated, even if we did not want to ("you don't get vaccinated for yourself, you get vaccinated to protect those around you..."). I am fortunate that I have been able to resist."</p><p>Vaccines are one of medicines greatest contributions to world health.  The fact that you would refuse a safe vaccine and put patients at risk pretty much says it all.</p><p>"Another core issue is that we must manage risk objectively, and focus our resources (which are always limited) in the areas where are going to provide the best return, to the best of our knowledge at that point."</p><p>Which is why we vaccinate people.  High reward for virtually no risk.</p><p>"Because of pressure from pharma lobbies,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... precious health funds were squandered in a way that only benefited to the pharma industry."</p><p>Nice strawman.  Pharma does not get rich on vaccines.  If they did not receive subsidies they would probably stop producing them.  It's the reason they haven't modernized production-it's not cost effective.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I am a doctor,... " Which only proves that doctors and science do n't have to mix .
Or as the old joke says , what do you call a medical student who graduates at the bottom of their class... " But the vaccine itself has also been more aggressive , and normal safety checks and clinical studies were bypassed.. " Wrong .
The side effects , or lack thereof , were also tracked very closely .
http : //www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ ? p = 3029 # more-3029 [ sciencebasedmedicine.org ] " Ok , the H1N1 strain might be a bit more aggressive. " Yes .
Killing people with healthy immune systems would be considered " aggressive " .
About 1 \ % of people who get H1N1 have to be hospitalized and 15 to 33 \ % of those ended up in the ICU ( when it 's bad , it 's bad ) .
http : //www.newscientist.com/article/dn17753-dont-be-fooled-swine-flu-still-poses-a-deadly-threat.html [ newscientist.com ] It 's not normal to have ICU 's full of people from the flu .
" And many have been put under pressure to get vaccinated , even if we did not want to ( " you do n't get vaccinated for yourself , you get vaccinated to protect those around you... " ) .
I am fortunate that I have been able to resist .
" Vaccines are one of medicines greatest contributions to world health .
The fact that you would refuse a safe vaccine and put patients at risk pretty much says it all .
" Another core issue is that we must manage risk objectively , and focus our resources ( which are always limited ) in the areas where are going to provide the best return , to the best of our knowledge at that point .
" Which is why we vaccinate people .
High reward for virtually no risk .
" Because of pressure from pharma lobbies , ... precious health funds were squandered in a way that only benefited to the pharma industry .
" Nice strawman .
Pharma does not get rich on vaccines .
If they did not receive subsidies they would probably stop producing them .
It 's the reason they have n't modernized production-it 's not cost effective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I am a doctor,..."Which only proves that doctors and science don't have to mix.
Or as the old joke says, what do you call a medical student who graduates at the bottom of their class..."But the vaccine itself has also been more aggressive, and normal safety checks and clinical studies were bypassed.."Wrong.
The side effects, or lack thereof, were also tracked very closely.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=3029#more-3029 [sciencebasedmedicine.org]"Ok, the H1N1 strain might be a bit more aggressive."Yes.
Killing people with healthy immune systems would be considered "aggressive".
About 1\% of people who get H1N1 have to be hospitalized and 15 to 33\% of those ended up in the ICU (when it's bad, it's bad).
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17753-dont-be-fooled-swine-flu-still-poses-a-deadly-threat.html [newscientist.com]  It's not normal to have ICU's full of people from the flu.
"And many have been put under pressure to get vaccinated, even if we did not want to ("you don't get vaccinated for yourself, you get vaccinated to protect those around you...").
I am fortunate that I have been able to resist.
"Vaccines are one of medicines greatest contributions to world health.
The fact that you would refuse a safe vaccine and put patients at risk pretty much says it all.
"Another core issue is that we must manage risk objectively, and focus our resources (which are always limited) in the areas where are going to provide the best return, to the best of our knowledge at that point.
"Which is why we vaccinate people.
High reward for virtually no risk.
"Because of pressure from pharma lobbies, ... precious health funds were squandered in a way that only benefited to the pharma industry.
"Nice strawman.
Pharma does not get rich on vaccines.
If they did not receive subsidies they would probably stop producing them.
It's the reason they haven't modernized production-it's not cost effective.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Not only UK</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1263557220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you think that's bad, the German government really took the cake on that one. There's appearantly two different vaccines, one, cheaper, with some not so pleasant side effects and questionable vaccination ability and one that works better but is also more expensive.</p><p>They ordered the expensive variant only for government and some "key personell", while the rest of the population was supposed to get the cheap shot.</p><p><a href="http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1932366,00.html" title="time.com">Here</a> [time.com] is the story for the interested. Say about it what you want, but at least these politicians are honest: They show you that they don't give a shit about you and only care about themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you think that 's bad , the German government really took the cake on that one .
There 's appearantly two different vaccines , one , cheaper , with some not so pleasant side effects and questionable vaccination ability and one that works better but is also more expensive.They ordered the expensive variant only for government and some " key personell " , while the rest of the population was supposed to get the cheap shot.Here [ time.com ] is the story for the interested .
Say about it what you want , but at least these politicians are honest : They show you that they do n't give a shit about you and only care about themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you think that's bad, the German government really took the cake on that one.
There's appearantly two different vaccines, one, cheaper, with some not so pleasant side effects and questionable vaccination ability and one that works better but is also more expensive.They ordered the expensive variant only for government and some "key personell", while the rest of the population was supposed to get the cheap shot.Here [time.com] is the story for the interested.
Say about it what you want, but at least these politicians are honest: They show you that they don't give a shit about you and only care about themselves.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Shouldn't we be happy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263552240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So regular people weren't the only ones caught up in the sensationalism that is/was swine flu. Governments were hooked by it too...</p></div><p>The Dutch government ordered 34 million vaccines for 17 million people. They spent about 200 million Euro on this. Maybe half of that is used, the rest will or will not be sold to other countries. I don't mind that they spend this money. It's like an insurance, and 200 million Euro is nothing compared to the cost of having a hundreds of thousands people ill with the flu.</p><p>A flu that will kill millions of people is going to happen sooner or later. Now nothing serious has happened people are mad, but...</p><p><b>Shouldn't we be happy instead???</b></p></div>
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<tokenext>So regular people were n't the only ones caught up in the sensationalism that is/was swine flu .
Governments were hooked by it too...The Dutch government ordered 34 million vaccines for 17 million people .
They spent about 200 million Euro on this .
Maybe half of that is used , the rest will or will not be sold to other countries .
I do n't mind that they spend this money .
It 's like an insurance , and 200 million Euro is nothing compared to the cost of having a hundreds of thousands people ill with the flu.A flu that will kill millions of people is going to happen sooner or later .
Now nothing serious has happened people are mad , but...Should n't we be happy instead ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So regular people weren't the only ones caught up in the sensationalism that is/was swine flu.
Governments were hooked by it too...The Dutch government ordered 34 million vaccines for 17 million people.
They spent about 200 million Euro on this.
Maybe half of that is used, the rest will or will not be sold to other countries.
I don't mind that they spend this money.
It's like an insurance, and 200 million Euro is nothing compared to the cost of having a hundreds of thousands people ill with the flu.A flu that will kill millions of people is going to happen sooner or later.
Now nothing serious has happened people are mad, but...Shouldn't we be happy instead??
?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776094</id>
	<title>Ghast my flabber!</title>
	<author>zmollusc</author>
	<datestamp>1263587220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am astounded that the UK Gov spent hundreds of millions on vaccine. Normally most of the cash spent on the NHS goes to layers of managers, travel and hotels for meetings and conferences, management consultants, rebranding etc.</p><p>On the front line, all redundancy has been taken out of the NHS, it operates (ha ha) at full capacity on a 'normal' day with hardly any reserve equipment (I am not talking cat scanners here, I am talking about basic kit that costs a couple of hundred quid), so if there is a bombing or an air crash you will find that the wounded are dispersed to whatever hospitals that can find room.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am astounded that the UK Gov spent hundreds of millions on vaccine .
Normally most of the cash spent on the NHS goes to layers of managers , travel and hotels for meetings and conferences , management consultants , rebranding etc.On the front line , all redundancy has been taken out of the NHS , it operates ( ha ha ) at full capacity on a 'normal ' day with hardly any reserve equipment ( I am not talking cat scanners here , I am talking about basic kit that costs a couple of hundred quid ) , so if there is a bombing or an air crash you will find that the wounded are dispersed to whatever hospitals that can find room .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am astounded that the UK Gov spent hundreds of millions on vaccine.
Normally most of the cash spent on the NHS goes to layers of managers, travel and hotels for meetings and conferences, management consultants, rebranding etc.On the front line, all redundancy has been taken out of the NHS, it operates (ha ha) at full capacity on a 'normal' day with hardly any reserve equipment (I am not talking cat scanners here, I am talking about basic kit that costs a couple of hundred quid), so if there is a bombing or an air crash you will find that the wounded are dispersed to whatever hospitals that can find room.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777586</id>
	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>ishobo</author>
	<datestamp>1263562260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are out of your depth. Go back and play with your medical devices, leave infectous disease to the professionals.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are out of your depth .
Go back and play with your medical devices , leave infectous disease to the professionals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are out of your depth.
Go back and play with your medical devices, leave infectous disease to the professionals.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778358</id>
	<title>Re:Fear-fad</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1263568080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Just" the flu? Whatever the effects if this particular case, flu can and has killed millions. We're not talking about "flu" in the sense of "cold" which is what people commonly conflate it with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Just " the flu ?
Whatever the effects if this particular case , flu can and has killed millions .
We 're not talking about " flu " in the sense of " cold " which is what people commonly conflate it with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Just" the flu?
Whatever the effects if this particular case, flu can and has killed millions.
We're not talking about "flu" in the sense of "cold" which is what people commonly conflate it with.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776688</id>
	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>VShael</author>
	<datestamp>1263551940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're over reacting to the argument from ignorance there, chief.</p><p><i>The 1918 flu caused 650,000 deaths. Nobody really knows why. </i><br>It caused a lot more deaths than that, but I'll let it slide because you're probably focused on your own country.<br>As for "nobody really knows why", I'll assume you're also talking about your own country then, because in the rest of the world? We know why. We've got a very good understanding of the mutations that were involved in the Spanish flu of 1918. Ever since samples of the virus were excavated from bodies buried under the permafrost a few years ago.</p><p><i>We could have another epidemic like that any year.</i><br>We could, but it's really not very likely.</p><p><i>When the new flu comes up, nobody knows until it's all over whether it's going to be the big one until it's all over.</i><br>Again, maybe in your country (?) this is true, but in the rest of the world, it's not like we're reading animal entrails in a vague attempt to discern the future.</p><p>When there's an outbreak of a flu virus, samples are taken and lab tested. It takes a short time to get a gene sequence and it's often done at Mill Hill in London. Results are made public.</p><p>Any unusual mutations in the gene sequence can be highlighted and we can get a very good idea of what's likely to be a dangerous strain or not. In all the world wide panic about this recent swine flu, anyone who gave a twopenny crap could have been following actual virology websites, or the releases from Mill Hill. They were far more concerned about the variation which appeared in the Ukraine, by the way.</p><p><i>You are suffering from stupidity, which is an even worse disease than the flu, and it's going around Slashdot.</i></p><p>And you are suffering from Chicken Little syndrome.<br>"A disaster might happen! Something must be done!"<br>"'X' is something"<br>"Then let's do 'X'!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're over reacting to the argument from ignorance there , chief.The 1918 flu caused 650,000 deaths .
Nobody really knows why .
It caused a lot more deaths than that , but I 'll let it slide because you 're probably focused on your own country.As for " nobody really knows why " , I 'll assume you 're also talking about your own country then , because in the rest of the world ?
We know why .
We 've got a very good understanding of the mutations that were involved in the Spanish flu of 1918 .
Ever since samples of the virus were excavated from bodies buried under the permafrost a few years ago.We could have another epidemic like that any year.We could , but it 's really not very likely.When the new flu comes up , nobody knows until it 's all over whether it 's going to be the big one until it 's all over.Again , maybe in your country ( ?
) this is true , but in the rest of the world , it 's not like we 're reading animal entrails in a vague attempt to discern the future.When there 's an outbreak of a flu virus , samples are taken and lab tested .
It takes a short time to get a gene sequence and it 's often done at Mill Hill in London .
Results are made public.Any unusual mutations in the gene sequence can be highlighted and we can get a very good idea of what 's likely to be a dangerous strain or not .
In all the world wide panic about this recent swine flu , anyone who gave a twopenny crap could have been following actual virology websites , or the releases from Mill Hill .
They were far more concerned about the variation which appeared in the Ukraine , by the way.You are suffering from stupidity , which is an even worse disease than the flu , and it 's going around Slashdot.And you are suffering from Chicken Little syndrome .
" A disaster might happen !
Something must be done !
" " 'X ' is something " " Then let 's do 'X ' !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're over reacting to the argument from ignorance there, chief.The 1918 flu caused 650,000 deaths.
Nobody really knows why.
It caused a lot more deaths than that, but I'll let it slide because you're probably focused on your own country.As for "nobody really knows why", I'll assume you're also talking about your own country then, because in the rest of the world?
We know why.
We've got a very good understanding of the mutations that were involved in the Spanish flu of 1918.
Ever since samples of the virus were excavated from bodies buried under the permafrost a few years ago.We could have another epidemic like that any year.We could, but it's really not very likely.When the new flu comes up, nobody knows until it's all over whether it's going to be the big one until it's all over.Again, maybe in your country (?
) this is true, but in the rest of the world, it's not like we're reading animal entrails in a vague attempt to discern the future.When there's an outbreak of a flu virus, samples are taken and lab tested.
It takes a short time to get a gene sequence and it's often done at Mill Hill in London.
Results are made public.Any unusual mutations in the gene sequence can be highlighted and we can get a very good idea of what's likely to be a dangerous strain or not.
In all the world wide panic about this recent swine flu, anyone who gave a twopenny crap could have been following actual virology websites, or the releases from Mill Hill.
They were far more concerned about the variation which appeared in the Ukraine, by the way.You are suffering from stupidity, which is an even worse disease than the flu, and it's going around Slashdot.And you are suffering from Chicken Little syndrome.
"A disaster might happen!
Something must be done!
""'X' is something""Then let's do 'X'!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776852</id>
	<title>Re:Not only UK</title>
	<author>citizenr</author>
	<datestamp>1263553920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Would you also like this tiger-repellent rock? In Poland Ministry of Health said this Flu is weaker than normal seasonal ones and did NOT get any vaccines. Lobbyists went apeshit on her (She is a doctor, and a damn good one, people believed her) including Commissioner for Civil Rights trying to get her in legal trouble for "endangering population. He went so far with his little lobbying shit that he contracted flu himself and started claiming it was the swine flu<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... Crazy shit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would you also like this tiger-repellent rock ?
In Poland Ministry of Health said this Flu is weaker than normal seasonal ones and did NOT get any vaccines .
Lobbyists went apeshit on her ( She is a doctor , and a damn good one , people believed her ) including Commissioner for Civil Rights trying to get her in legal trouble for " endangering population .
He went so far with his little lobbying shit that he contracted flu himself and started claiming it was the swine flu .... Crazy shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would you also like this tiger-repellent rock?
In Poland Ministry of Health said this Flu is weaker than normal seasonal ones and did NOT get any vaccines.
Lobbyists went apeshit on her (She is a doctor, and a damn good one, people believed her) including Commissioner for Civil Rights trying to get her in legal trouble for "endangering population.
He went so far with his little lobbying shit that he contracted flu himself and started claiming it was the swine flu .... Crazy shit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778344</id>
	<title>Re:Oh, I see</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1263567900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So let's get this straight - when an epidemic is averted, and far fewer deaths result, instead of saying "Isn't it good that we had all these procedures in place, and started vaccinating people, and educating people about the risks of spreading flu", you say "What a load of sensationalism that was, we should have sat back and do nothing".</p><p>Yet, if there's an epidemic when we had done nothing - whether this one, or a later one - I bet you'd be first in line moaning about how inept the Government was.</p><p>Of course it's impossible to know if earlier actions led to a reduction in death, but it's also absurd to suggest that what we do had no effect - especially if when there is an epidemic, people moan about how something should have been done. Why bother with vaccination at all, if you think it has no effect?</p><p>Even if this epidemic would never have happened, even without any action, sometimes there <i>are</i> epidemics. Can you predict which ones will happen, and which ones won't?</p><p>It's "Y2K was just a myth, honest" all over again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So let 's get this straight - when an epidemic is averted , and far fewer deaths result , instead of saying " Is n't it good that we had all these procedures in place , and started vaccinating people , and educating people about the risks of spreading flu " , you say " What a load of sensationalism that was , we should have sat back and do nothing " .Yet , if there 's an epidemic when we had done nothing - whether this one , or a later one - I bet you 'd be first in line moaning about how inept the Government was.Of course it 's impossible to know if earlier actions led to a reduction in death , but it 's also absurd to suggest that what we do had no effect - especially if when there is an epidemic , people moan about how something should have been done .
Why bother with vaccination at all , if you think it has no effect ? Even if this epidemic would never have happened , even without any action , sometimes there are epidemics .
Can you predict which ones will happen , and which ones wo n't ? It 's " Y2K was just a myth , honest " all over again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So let's get this straight - when an epidemic is averted, and far fewer deaths result, instead of saying "Isn't it good that we had all these procedures in place, and started vaccinating people, and educating people about the risks of spreading flu", you say "What a load of sensationalism that was, we should have sat back and do nothing".Yet, if there's an epidemic when we had done nothing - whether this one, or a later one - I bet you'd be first in line moaning about how inept the Government was.Of course it's impossible to know if earlier actions led to a reduction in death, but it's also absurd to suggest that what we do had no effect - especially if when there is an epidemic, people moan about how something should have been done.
Why bother with vaccination at all, if you think it has no effect?Even if this epidemic would never have happened, even without any action, sometimes there are epidemics.
Can you predict which ones will happen, and which ones won't?It's "Y2K was just a myth, honest" all over again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776674</id>
	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>registrar</author>
	<datestamp>1263551700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>IMO the problem was that a very early case was a severe atypical pneumonia and was misdiagnosed as a coronavirus --- i.e. a possibly SARS relative.  That would have been cause for panic, but when the misdiagnosis was revealed, it should have been wound back.  Unfortunately the WHO (who were responsible for the misdiagnosis IIRC) were already too involved.</htmltext>
<tokenext>IMO the problem was that a very early case was a severe atypical pneumonia and was misdiagnosed as a coronavirus --- i.e .
a possibly SARS relative .
That would have been cause for panic , but when the misdiagnosis was revealed , it should have been wound back .
Unfortunately the WHO ( who were responsible for the misdiagnosis IIRC ) were already too involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IMO the problem was that a very early case was a severe atypical pneumonia and was misdiagnosed as a coronavirus --- i.e.
a possibly SARS relative.
That would have been cause for panic, but when the misdiagnosis was revealed, it should have been wound back.
Unfortunately the WHO (who were responsible for the misdiagnosis IIRC) were already too involved.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777266</id>
	<title>Re:I actually like swine flu</title>
	<author>drseuk</author>
	<datestamp>1263558960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hmm, my YL went from normal weight to obese in nine months - does this mean she's got it before she's had it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm , my YL went from normal weight to obese in nine months - does this mean she 's got it before she 's had it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm, my YL went from normal weight to obese in nine months - does this mean she's got it before she's had it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777938</id>
	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263565440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thank you for this post.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you for this post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you for this post.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778904</id>
	<title>Re:Shouldn't we be happy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263570840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A flu that will kill millions of people is going to happen sooner or later. </p></div><p>Why do you believe that? What evidence is there that such a thing will happen? <br>
This is the third flu pandemic since 1920. The one in 1957-1958 killed between one and four million. The one in 1968-1969 killed around 1 million wordwide. This current pandemic (which appears to be over) is estimated to have killed just under 500,000. Notice a pattern here?<br>
The 1918-1920 flu pandemic is always pointed to as an example of what could happen. However, that pandemic occured during World War I (which led to people being moved around the world more rapidly and to a greater extent than ever before) but before the advent of modern medicine (which I would argue began with the development of sulfa drugs in the 1930s).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A flu that will kill millions of people is going to happen sooner or later .
Why do you believe that ?
What evidence is there that such a thing will happen ?
This is the third flu pandemic since 1920 .
The one in 1957-1958 killed between one and four million .
The one in 1968-1969 killed around 1 million wordwide .
This current pandemic ( which appears to be over ) is estimated to have killed just under 500,000 .
Notice a pattern here ?
The 1918-1920 flu pandemic is always pointed to as an example of what could happen .
However , that pandemic occured during World War I ( which led to people being moved around the world more rapidly and to a greater extent than ever before ) but before the advent of modern medicine ( which I would argue began with the development of sulfa drugs in the 1930s ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A flu that will kill millions of people is going to happen sooner or later.
Why do you believe that?
What evidence is there that such a thing will happen?
This is the third flu pandemic since 1920.
The one in 1957-1958 killed between one and four million.
The one in 1968-1969 killed around 1 million wordwide.
This current pandemic (which appears to be over) is estimated to have killed just under 500,000.
Notice a pattern here?
The 1918-1920 flu pandemic is always pointed to as an example of what could happen.
However, that pandemic occured during World War I (which led to people being moved around the world more rapidly and to a greater extent than ever before) but before the advent of modern medicine (which I would argue began with the development of sulfa drugs in the 1930s).
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30797610</id>
	<title>Re:That's cool!</title>
	<author>Phoghat</author>
	<datestamp>1263736500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's really great that Daltrey an Townshend are into this. Keith Moon would have made it into a joke</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's really great that Daltrey an Townshend are into this .
Keith Moon would have made it into a joke</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's really great that Daltrey an Townshend are into this.
Keith Moon would have made it into a joke</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778884</id>
	<title>Re:Oh, I see</title>
	<author>apoc.famine</author>
	<datestamp>1263570780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What color is the swine flu alert level now? <br>
&nbsp; <br>(I wish I was less than half kidding.....)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What color is the swine flu alert level now ?
  ( I wish I was less than half kidding..... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What color is the swine flu alert level now?
  (I wish I was less than half kidding.....)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30779756</id>
	<title>Re:I actually like swine flu</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263575640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You DO realize that the swine flu had nothing to do with your overeating of pork chops, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You DO realize that the swine flu had nothing to do with your overeating of pork chops , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You DO realize that the swine flu had nothing to do with your overeating of pork chops, right?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30779640</id>
	<title>Re:This worked out OK.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263575040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"There was a reasonable likelihood of a megadeath sized pandemic."</i></p><p>That's what WHO and Big Pharma tell us, but it remains to be seen if it's true, as it is now the subject of investigation. Though i must say i have very little confidence that WHO's self-investiation is going to be objective.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" There was a reasonable likelihood of a megadeath sized pandemic .
" That 's what WHO and Big Pharma tell us , but it remains to be seen if it 's true , as it is now the subject of investigation .
Though i must say i have very little confidence that WHO 's self-investiation is going to be objective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"There was a reasonable likelihood of a megadeath sized pandemic.
"That's what WHO and Big Pharma tell us, but it remains to be seen if it's true, as it is now the subject of investigation.
Though i must say i have very little confidence that WHO's self-investiation is going to be objective.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776628</id>
	<title>Totally Agree</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263550980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just because somehow you missed getting sideswiped by a big bus doesn't mean you stop wearing your seatbelt.<br><br>Simply because a ounce of prevention actually worked somehow an investigation needs to be done? It will be this type of complacence that will work against everyone during the next novel flu type.<br><br>Sorry to bring another element into this but the United States and the coalition of the willing spent billions of dollars to topple Afghanistan and Iraq, mess up Pakistan even further and now work over Yemen, because 3000 people died in 9/11, and risk the lives of countless soldiers in the name of security. And is inflicting ongoing misery to everyone in the region.<br><br>This flu has killed 10,000 Americans in a single season and somehow an investigation needs to be done, and somehow the 'panic' was hyped and 'overstated'.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just because somehow you missed getting sideswiped by a big bus does n't mean you stop wearing your seatbelt.Simply because a ounce of prevention actually worked somehow an investigation needs to be done ?
It will be this type of complacence that will work against everyone during the next novel flu type.Sorry to bring another element into this but the United States and the coalition of the willing spent billions of dollars to topple Afghanistan and Iraq , mess up Pakistan even further and now work over Yemen , because 3000 people died in 9/11 , and risk the lives of countless soldiers in the name of security .
And is inflicting ongoing misery to everyone in the region.This flu has killed 10,000 Americans in a single season and somehow an investigation needs to be done , and somehow the 'panic ' was hyped and 'overstated' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just because somehow you missed getting sideswiped by a big bus doesn't mean you stop wearing your seatbelt.Simply because a ounce of prevention actually worked somehow an investigation needs to be done?
It will be this type of complacence that will work against everyone during the next novel flu type.Sorry to bring another element into this but the United States and the coalition of the willing spent billions of dollars to topple Afghanistan and Iraq, mess up Pakistan even further and now work over Yemen, because 3000 people died in 9/11, and risk the lives of countless soldiers in the name of security.
And is inflicting ongoing misery to everyone in the region.This flu has killed 10,000 Americans in a single season and somehow an investigation needs to be done, and somehow the 'panic' was hyped and 'overstated'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30779448</id>
	<title>Re:Hello, think a little!</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1263573960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If it was a credible threat, I would agree with your analysis....However, it was not</p></div></blockquote><p>A contention you fail to support.  In fact, you don't even try.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it was a credible threat , I would agree with your analysis....However , it was notA contention you fail to support .
In fact , you do n't even try .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it was a credible threat, I would agree with your analysis....However, it was notA contention you fail to support.
In fact, you don't even try.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30775898</id>
	<title>This made my day</title>
	<author>mrmeval</author>
	<datestamp>1263498420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even if it blew a lot of government money. We were hit and hit hard by astroturfing and government fear mongering. Now that this information is becoming public this will become an annual event because government can never admit it was wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if it blew a lot of government money .
We were hit and hit hard by astroturfing and government fear mongering .
Now that this information is becoming public this will become an annual event because government can never admit it was wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if it blew a lot of government money.
We were hit and hit hard by astroturfing and government fear mongering.
Now that this information is becoming public this will become an annual event because government can never admit it was wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776046</id>
	<title>Re:I actually like swine flu</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263586620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I caught swine flu around 2 months back. Let me tell you one thing: all the things the press has said has been fear-mongering and more than slightly exaggerated. The only difference I noticed compared to normal flu was that I had constant headache. Nothing else. There was and still is nothing to fear about it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I caught swine flu around 2 months back .
Let me tell you one thing : all the things the press has said has been fear-mongering and more than slightly exaggerated .
The only difference I noticed compared to normal flu was that I had constant headache .
Nothing else .
There was and still is nothing to fear about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I caught swine flu around 2 months back.
Let me tell you one thing: all the things the press has said has been fear-mongering and more than slightly exaggerated.
The only difference I noticed compared to normal flu was that I had constant headache.
Nothing else.
There was and still is nothing to fear about it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30805584</id>
	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>thomasdn</author>
	<datestamp>1263806520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>To me it seems like the WHO overreacted, people and governments bought in to it, and now they are looking for a scape goat</p></div><p>To you. Are you a doctor? Are you a virologist? What the fuck do you know? Nothing. Do you think anybody in his right mind is going to risk the lives of hundreds of thousands of people by paying attention to you?</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...
</p><p>
The vaccine seemed to have provided significant protection. It's hard to tell how many people would have died without the vaccine, but twice as many is reasonable.</p></div><p>
So, are *you* a doctor? Or a virologist? What do you base your conclusion that the estimate that twice as many would have died without vaccine is reasonable?
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>To me it seems like the WHO overreacted , people and governments bought in to it , and now they are looking for a scape goatTo you .
Are you a doctor ?
Are you a virologist ?
What the fuck do you know ?
Nothing. Do you think anybody in his right mind is going to risk the lives of hundreds of thousands of people by paying attention to you ?
.. . The vaccine seemed to have provided significant protection .
It 's hard to tell how many people would have died without the vaccine , but twice as many is reasonable .
So , are * you * a doctor ?
Or a virologist ?
What do you base your conclusion that the estimate that twice as many would have died without vaccine is reasonable ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To me it seems like the WHO overreacted, people and governments bought in to it, and now they are looking for a scape goatTo you.
Are you a doctor?
Are you a virologist?
What the fuck do you know?
Nothing. Do you think anybody in his right mind is going to risk the lives of hundreds of thousands of people by paying attention to you?
...

The vaccine seemed to have provided significant protection.
It's hard to tell how many people would have died without the vaccine, but twice as many is reasonable.
So, are *you* a doctor?
Or a virologist?
What do you base your conclusion that the estimate that twice as many would have died without vaccine is reasonable?

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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778640</id>
	<title>Re:This made my day</title>
	<author>Andy Dodd</author>
	<datestamp>1263569520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Honestly, there were some pretty nasty outbreaks in Fall 2009 (like the one at Cornell University), at least in terms of number infected.  Yes, it was not as bad as seasonal flu in terms of severity, but there was a problem:</p><p>Due to lack of any vaccine, it was spreading rapidly at its peak.  If you're at risk for complications like myself, any flu is a bad flu.  (I'm Type I diabetic)</p><p>Seasonal flu won't be much of a problem this season, just like most, because those who are at the highest risk for problems could get the vaccine for that in time.  In the case of swine flu, the vaccine didn't become available until it was too late and the disease had already burned itself out in many areas.  By the time I got my vaccine, large outbreaks in multiple local schools had come and gone.  Since many of my coworkers have kids at said schools, I was honestly pretty worried.</p><p>I don't disagree with you that swine flu has been grossly mishandled.  It was a media sensation when it wasn't a problem, and by the time it actually became a problem, it was a "boy who cried wolf" scenario.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly , there were some pretty nasty outbreaks in Fall 2009 ( like the one at Cornell University ) , at least in terms of number infected .
Yes , it was not as bad as seasonal flu in terms of severity , but there was a problem : Due to lack of any vaccine , it was spreading rapidly at its peak .
If you 're at risk for complications like myself , any flu is a bad flu .
( I 'm Type I diabetic ) Seasonal flu wo n't be much of a problem this season , just like most , because those who are at the highest risk for problems could get the vaccine for that in time .
In the case of swine flu , the vaccine did n't become available until it was too late and the disease had already burned itself out in many areas .
By the time I got my vaccine , large outbreaks in multiple local schools had come and gone .
Since many of my coworkers have kids at said schools , I was honestly pretty worried.I do n't disagree with you that swine flu has been grossly mishandled .
It was a media sensation when it was n't a problem , and by the time it actually became a problem , it was a " boy who cried wolf " scenario .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly, there were some pretty nasty outbreaks in Fall 2009 (like the one at Cornell University), at least in terms of number infected.
Yes, it was not as bad as seasonal flu in terms of severity, but there was a problem:Due to lack of any vaccine, it was spreading rapidly at its peak.
If you're at risk for complications like myself, any flu is a bad flu.
(I'm Type I diabetic)Seasonal flu won't be much of a problem this season, just like most, because those who are at the highest risk for problems could get the vaccine for that in time.
In the case of swine flu, the vaccine didn't become available until it was too late and the disease had already burned itself out in many areas.
By the time I got my vaccine, large outbreaks in multiple local schools had come and gone.
Since many of my coworkers have kids at said schools, I was honestly pretty worried.I don't disagree with you that swine flu has been grossly mishandled.
It was a media sensation when it wasn't a problem, and by the time it actually became a problem, it was a "boy who cried wolf" scenario.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30779160</id>
	<title>Fraud</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263572340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You really can't make this stuff up - some people seriously believe the vaccine saved lives?  How so?</p><p>1)  The virus was already declining long before the first vaccine was injected.</p><p>2)  Hardly anybody in the UK got the vaccine, yet less people died there (per capita) than Canada, where ~ half the population panicked, bought into the fraud, and got their vaccine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You really ca n't make this stuff up - some people seriously believe the vaccine saved lives ?
How so ? 1 ) The virus was already declining long before the first vaccine was injected.2 ) Hardly anybody in the UK got the vaccine , yet less people died there ( per capita ) than Canada , where ~ half the population panicked , bought into the fraud , and got their vaccine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You really can't make this stuff up - some people seriously believe the vaccine saved lives?
How so?1)  The virus was already declining long before the first vaccine was injected.2)  Hardly anybody in the UK got the vaccine, yet less people died there (per capita) than Canada, where ~ half the population panicked, bought into the fraud, and got their vaccine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30775904</id>
	<title>pork barrel politics</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263498420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..once again rears its ugly snout.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..once again rears its ugly snout .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..once again rears its ugly snout.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776918</id>
	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263555120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, I have a clue, having studied histology, immunology, virology, microbiology, epidemiology, etc.  And I listened to the pontificators on T.V. (doctors), and the full page newspaper ads (with photos of smiling doctors, medical officers of health, etc., and endured the idiotic pronouncements from on high (ignorant, illiterate administrators) in my school board, panic about extra wash of door handles, alcohol based hand sanitizers (oh, you can bet they made a killing too) in every classroom.  Yep, while everyone around me panicked, I didn't even bother to get the vaccine, and watched in amazement as the panicked sheep complained about lining up for hours to get a shot...<br>It's all about the money, self-importance, "God syndrome", et cetera, et cetera</p><p>Reminds me of Level Orange, or whatever the hell it was for the "Terrorist Threat Level", etc.  Do they still do that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I have a clue , having studied histology , immunology , virology , microbiology , epidemiology , etc .
And I listened to the pontificators on T.V .
( doctors ) , and the full page newspaper ads ( with photos of smiling doctors , medical officers of health , etc. , and endured the idiotic pronouncements from on high ( ignorant , illiterate administrators ) in my school board , panic about extra wash of door handles , alcohol based hand sanitizers ( oh , you can bet they made a killing too ) in every classroom .
Yep , while everyone around me panicked , I did n't even bother to get the vaccine , and watched in amazement as the panicked sheep complained about lining up for hours to get a shot...It 's all about the money , self-importance , " God syndrome " , et cetera , et ceteraReminds me of Level Orange , or whatever the hell it was for the " Terrorist Threat Level " , etc .
Do they still do that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I have a clue, having studied histology, immunology, virology, microbiology, epidemiology, etc.
And I listened to the pontificators on T.V.
(doctors), and the full page newspaper ads (with photos of smiling doctors, medical officers of health, etc., and endured the idiotic pronouncements from on high (ignorant, illiterate administrators) in my school board, panic about extra wash of door handles, alcohol based hand sanitizers (oh, you can bet they made a killing too) in every classroom.
Yep, while everyone around me panicked, I didn't even bother to get the vaccine, and watched in amazement as the panicked sheep complained about lining up for hours to get a shot...It's all about the money, self-importance, "God syndrome", et cetera, et ceteraReminds me of Level Orange, or whatever the hell it was for the "Terrorist Threat Level", etc.
Do they still do that?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776454</id>
	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>nbauman</author>
	<datestamp>1263548940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>To me it seems like the WHO overreacted, people and governments bought in to it, and now they are looking for a scape goat</p></div><p>To you. Are you a doctor? Are you a virologist? What the fuck do you know? Nothing. Do you think anybody in his right mind is going to risk the lives of hundreds of thousands of people by paying attention to you?</p><p>Influenza kills 50,000 people a year in the U.S., usually elderly people who are sick with something else. If that goes up or down by 10\%, that's a lot of people. According to the New England Journal of Medicine, 3,000 children, teenagers and young people died this year from the H1N1 flu. These are otherwise healthy young people who would not otherwise have died. A lot of them were infants under 5 years old. The vaccine seemed to have provided significant protection. It's hard to tell how many people would have died without the vaccine, but twice as many is reasonable.</p><p>3,000 deaths is the same number of people who died in the World Trade Center. Did you get upset about that? Or did you laugh it off like you're doing with the flu?</p><p>The 1918 flu caused 650,000 deaths. Nobody really knows why. We could have another epidemic like that any year. When the new flu comes up, nobody knows until it's all over whether it's going to be the big one until it's all over.</p><p>People get into a position of responsibility because unlike you, they're doctors and they know the facts. They're not going to take a chance with 3,000 lives at stake. It's a pretty easy decision: order the vaccine, and take the risk of not needing it, or don't order the vaccine, and take the risk of killing 10,000 people -- or 100,000 people -- or 650,000 people.</p><p>You're like people who say it was a waste of money to build earthquake-resistant buildings because we didn't have an earthquake. Or to build flood-resistant levies because we didn't have a flood.</p><p>You are suffering from stupidity, which is an even worse disease than the flu, and it's going around Slashdot.</p><p>I'm sorry, we really don't have any cure.</p></div>
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<tokenext>To me it seems like the WHO overreacted , people and governments bought in to it , and now they are looking for a scape goatTo you .
Are you a doctor ?
Are you a virologist ?
What the fuck do you know ?
Nothing. Do you think anybody in his right mind is going to risk the lives of hundreds of thousands of people by paying attention to you ? Influenza kills 50,000 people a year in the U.S. , usually elderly people who are sick with something else .
If that goes up or down by 10 \ % , that 's a lot of people .
According to the New England Journal of Medicine , 3,000 children , teenagers and young people died this year from the H1N1 flu .
These are otherwise healthy young people who would not otherwise have died .
A lot of them were infants under 5 years old .
The vaccine seemed to have provided significant protection .
It 's hard to tell how many people would have died without the vaccine , but twice as many is reasonable.3,000 deaths is the same number of people who died in the World Trade Center .
Did you get upset about that ?
Or did you laugh it off like you 're doing with the flu ? The 1918 flu caused 650,000 deaths .
Nobody really knows why .
We could have another epidemic like that any year .
When the new flu comes up , nobody knows until it 's all over whether it 's going to be the big one until it 's all over.People get into a position of responsibility because unlike you , they 're doctors and they know the facts .
They 're not going to take a chance with 3,000 lives at stake .
It 's a pretty easy decision : order the vaccine , and take the risk of not needing it , or do n't order the vaccine , and take the risk of killing 10,000 people -- or 100,000 people -- or 650,000 people.You 're like people who say it was a waste of money to build earthquake-resistant buildings because we did n't have an earthquake .
Or to build flood-resistant levies because we did n't have a flood.You are suffering from stupidity , which is an even worse disease than the flu , and it 's going around Slashdot.I 'm sorry , we really do n't have any cure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To me it seems like the WHO overreacted, people and governments bought in to it, and now they are looking for a scape goatTo you.
Are you a doctor?
Are you a virologist?
What the fuck do you know?
Nothing. Do you think anybody in his right mind is going to risk the lives of hundreds of thousands of people by paying attention to you?Influenza kills 50,000 people a year in the U.S., usually elderly people who are sick with something else.
If that goes up or down by 10\%, that's a lot of people.
According to the New England Journal of Medicine, 3,000 children, teenagers and young people died this year from the H1N1 flu.
These are otherwise healthy young people who would not otherwise have died.
A lot of them were infants under 5 years old.
The vaccine seemed to have provided significant protection.
It's hard to tell how many people would have died without the vaccine, but twice as many is reasonable.3,000 deaths is the same number of people who died in the World Trade Center.
Did you get upset about that?
Or did you laugh it off like you're doing with the flu?The 1918 flu caused 650,000 deaths.
Nobody really knows why.
We could have another epidemic like that any year.
When the new flu comes up, nobody knows until it's all over whether it's going to be the big one until it's all over.People get into a position of responsibility because unlike you, they're doctors and they know the facts.
They're not going to take a chance with 3,000 lives at stake.
It's a pretty easy decision: order the vaccine, and take the risk of not needing it, or don't order the vaccine, and take the risk of killing 10,000 people -- or 100,000 people -- or 650,000 people.You're like people who say it was a waste of money to build earthquake-resistant buildings because we didn't have an earthquake.
Or to build flood-resistant levies because we didn't have a flood.You are suffering from stupidity, which is an even worse disease than the flu, and it's going around Slashdot.I'm sorry, we really don't have any cure.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30787548</id>
	<title>Re:Hello, think a little!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263574560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's an interesting analysis of the scenarios. I was thinking of another "what if?" case, based on your first scenario.</p><p>Let's say that we quickly bought and administered lots of vaccine and thereby prevented a pandemic that would have happened if we hadn't used the vaccine.  There weren't a lot of deaths, but as we now see, the public and the pundits interpret this outcome as "the danger was overblown" as opposed to "we did the right thing and prevented a catastrophe".  So, in the case where do spend a lot of money on vaccines, exactly what kind of outcome would there have to be in order to convince the public and pundits that "the right thing was done and a disaster was averted"?  When the outcome is "nothing bad happened", how can you ever convince skeptics and nay-sayers that the good outcome was because you did something specific to prevent it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's an interesting analysis of the scenarios .
I was thinking of another " what if ?
" case , based on your first scenario.Let 's say that we quickly bought and administered lots of vaccine and thereby prevented a pandemic that would have happened if we had n't used the vaccine .
There were n't a lot of deaths , but as we now see , the public and the pundits interpret this outcome as " the danger was overblown " as opposed to " we did the right thing and prevented a catastrophe " .
So , in the case where do spend a lot of money on vaccines , exactly what kind of outcome would there have to be in order to convince the public and pundits that " the right thing was done and a disaster was averted " ?
When the outcome is " nothing bad happened " , how can you ever convince skeptics and nay-sayers that the good outcome was because you did something specific to prevent it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's an interesting analysis of the scenarios.
I was thinking of another "what if?
" case, based on your first scenario.Let's say that we quickly bought and administered lots of vaccine and thereby prevented a pandemic that would have happened if we hadn't used the vaccine.
There weren't a lot of deaths, but as we now see, the public and the pundits interpret this outcome as "the danger was overblown" as opposed to "we did the right thing and prevented a catastrophe".
So, in the case where do spend a lot of money on vaccines, exactly what kind of outcome would there have to be in order to convince the public and pundits that "the right thing was done and a disaster was averted"?
When the outcome is "nothing bad happened", how can you ever convince skeptics and nay-sayers that the good outcome was because you did something specific to prevent it?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:no shit sherlock</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263575760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WTF are you tlaking about? what call does the government make?</p><p>I read stupid posts liek you and I jsut want to scream FUUUUUCK!, then find you and beatr the shit out of you.</p><p>SO. fucking. wrong.<br>And you know whats worse? even though less then an hour of research could pull up a dozen facts  on why you are so FUCKING wrong people will take your stupid lame ass anonymous post as factual.</p><p>I could link 6 places of the top of my head, but that doesn't matter because you wont' change your irrational thought and will look to some other liar to confirm your beliefe. Anything to protect you precious fucking sacred cows.</p><p>They HAD INDEPENDANT advice.. ogh but wait it didn't alighne with tyour irration thinking about the government so it doesn't count, right?</p><p>People modded your shit up just shows how pathetic you people are. Modding your post up is like modding up moon land consiracy, that big foot is real, and that the government is covering up Loch Ness.</p><p>The english language needs a new word to decribe how stupid you post is.</p><p>I just decided to look at your other posts, and yeah, your a fucktwit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WTF are you tlaking about ?
what call does the government make ? I read stupid posts liek you and I jsut want to scream FUUUUUCK ! , then find you and beatr the shit out of you.SO .
fucking. wrong.And you know whats worse ?
even though less then an hour of research could pull up a dozen facts on why you are so FUCKING wrong people will take your stupid lame ass anonymous post as factual.I could link 6 places of the top of my head , but that does n't matter because you wont ' change your irrational thought and will look to some other liar to confirm your beliefe .
Anything to protect you precious fucking sacred cows.They HAD INDEPENDANT advice.. ogh but wait it did n't alighne with tyour irration thinking about the government so it does n't count , right ? People modded your shit up just shows how pathetic you people are .
Modding your post up is like modding up moon land consiracy , that big foot is real , and that the government is covering up Loch Ness.The english language needs a new word to decribe how stupid you post is.I just decided to look at your other posts , and yeah , your a fucktwit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF are you tlaking about?
what call does the government make?I read stupid posts liek you and I jsut want to scream FUUUUUCK!, then find you and beatr the shit out of you.SO.
fucking. wrong.And you know whats worse?
even though less then an hour of research could pull up a dozen facts  on why you are so FUCKING wrong people will take your stupid lame ass anonymous post as factual.I could link 6 places of the top of my head, but that doesn't matter because you wont' change your irrational thought and will look to some other liar to confirm your beliefe.
Anything to protect you precious fucking sacred cows.They HAD INDEPENDANT advice.. ogh but wait it didn't alighne with tyour irration thinking about the government so it doesn't count, right?People modded your shit up just shows how pathetic you people are.
Modding your post up is like modding up moon land consiracy, that big foot is real, and that the government is covering up Loch Ness.The english language needs a new word to decribe how stupid you post is.I just decided to look at your other posts, and yeah, your a fucktwit.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1263572520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The thing people don't realize is that most people "killed" by the flu actually die from opportunistic infection. The reason that so many people died during the 1918-1920 flu pandemic is because medical science had not yet developed effective means of treating these opportunistic infections. That is, sulfa drugs and later penicillin. This is the third flu pandemic since the 1918-1920 one and each has kiled fewer people worldwide than the previous even though world population has increased. <br>
It is time to stop being afraid of a repeat of the 1918-1920 pandemic. If people would stop hyping the 1918-1920 pandemic, governments would stop overreacting to every new flu.<br>
I blame the overreaction of the governments on the press, not drug companies, not the WHO. The press sensationalized the pandemic and attempted to spread panic. This meant that politicians had to be seen to be "doing something".</htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing people do n't realize is that most people " killed " by the flu actually die from opportunistic infection .
The reason that so many people died during the 1918-1920 flu pandemic is because medical science had not yet developed effective means of treating these opportunistic infections .
That is , sulfa drugs and later penicillin .
This is the third flu pandemic since the 1918-1920 one and each has kiled fewer people worldwide than the previous even though world population has increased .
It is time to stop being afraid of a repeat of the 1918-1920 pandemic .
If people would stop hyping the 1918-1920 pandemic , governments would stop overreacting to every new flu .
I blame the overreaction of the governments on the press , not drug companies , not the WHO .
The press sensationalized the pandemic and attempted to spread panic .
This meant that politicians had to be seen to be " doing something " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing people don't realize is that most people "killed" by the flu actually die from opportunistic infection.
The reason that so many people died during the 1918-1920 flu pandemic is because medical science had not yet developed effective means of treating these opportunistic infections.
That is, sulfa drugs and later penicillin.
This is the third flu pandemic since the 1918-1920 one and each has kiled fewer people worldwide than the previous even though world population has increased.
It is time to stop being afraid of a repeat of the 1918-1920 pandemic.
If people would stop hyping the 1918-1920 pandemic, governments would stop overreacting to every new flu.
I blame the overreaction of the governments on the press, not drug companies, not the WHO.
The press sensationalized the pandemic and attempted to spread panic.
This meant that politicians had to be seen to be "doing something".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776732</id>
	<title>Re:Hello, think a little!</title>
	<author>VShael</author>
	<datestamp>1263552360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're acting as if those 4 options had equal probability. They don't.</p><p>Possibly you borrowed this fallacious line of reasoning from the recent global warming videos doing the rounds on youtube.</p><p>You could equally apply the same model to building nuclear bunkers in your back yard.</p><p>1) We build the bunker now! War breaks out. My family survive.<br>2) We Don't build the bunker now! War breaks out. My family die.<br>3) We build the bunker now! War doesn't break out. My family survive.<br>4) We don't build the bunker now. War doesn't break out. My family survive.</p><p>Now, to use your own words<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>"Now look at these scenarios. First off, it should be obvious that not spending the money only "wins" in one out of four cases, and if you look at it politically, you were still gambling with peoples' lives. Second, and perhaps less obvious at first, is that it may actually be hard to tell the difference between 1 and 3."</p><p>So, want me to sell you a nuclear bunker? It's only 150,000 dollars. And as you can see, it's the ONLY logical choice.</p><p>Or maybe you want to rethink that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're acting as if those 4 options had equal probability .
They do n't.Possibly you borrowed this fallacious line of reasoning from the recent global warming videos doing the rounds on youtube.You could equally apply the same model to building nuclear bunkers in your back yard.1 ) We build the bunker now !
War breaks out .
My family survive.2 ) We Do n't build the bunker now !
War breaks out .
My family die.3 ) We build the bunker now !
War does n't break out .
My family survive.4 ) We do n't build the bunker now .
War does n't break out .
My family survive.Now , to use your own words ... " Now look at these scenarios .
First off , it should be obvious that not spending the money only " wins " in one out of four cases , and if you look at it politically , you were still gambling with peoples ' lives .
Second , and perhaps less obvious at first , is that it may actually be hard to tell the difference between 1 and 3 .
" So , want me to sell you a nuclear bunker ?
It 's only 150,000 dollars .
And as you can see , it 's the ONLY logical choice.Or maybe you want to rethink that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're acting as if those 4 options had equal probability.
They don't.Possibly you borrowed this fallacious line of reasoning from the recent global warming videos doing the rounds on youtube.You could equally apply the same model to building nuclear bunkers in your back yard.1) We build the bunker now!
War breaks out.
My family survive.2) We Don't build the bunker now!
War breaks out.
My family die.3) We build the bunker now!
War doesn't break out.
My family survive.4) We don't build the bunker now.
War doesn't break out.
My family survive.Now, to use your own words ..."Now look at these scenarios.
First off, it should be obvious that not spending the money only "wins" in one out of four cases, and if you look at it politically, you were still gambling with peoples' lives.
Second, and perhaps less obvious at first, is that it may actually be hard to tell the difference between 1 and 3.
"So, want me to sell you a nuclear bunker?
It's only 150,000 dollars.
And as you can see, it's the ONLY logical choice.Or maybe you want to rethink that?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30775938</id>
	<title>They've done it before.</title>
	<author>JoshDD</author>
	<datestamp>1263498780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And don't you know they will do it again.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And do n't you know they will do it again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And don't you know they will do it again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777294</id>
	<title>Re:This worked out OK.</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1263559320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see it that way as well, first of all the first reports from Mexico were horrendous, secondly, no one really could<br>say at that time, that the flu would fizzle out in its strenght. (Probably there was some resistance to the virus<br>in other parts of the world, I assume the 1918 flu had to do with it, people nowadays living still have<br>some kind of genetic resistance against that strain)</p><p>The funny thing is from all people I know only one person really got the flu really hard, and coincidentally that person<br>is a mexican, but he had to spend several weeks in the hospital.<br>The WHO acted wisely and politics did as well, no need to search for a scapegoat now because we did not<br>get yet another pandemic illness with a death toll in millions/billions...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see it that way as well , first of all the first reports from Mexico were horrendous , secondly , no one really couldsay at that time , that the flu would fizzle out in its strenght .
( Probably there was some resistance to the virusin other parts of the world , I assume the 1918 flu had to do with it , people nowadays living still havesome kind of genetic resistance against that strain ) The funny thing is from all people I know only one person really got the flu really hard , and coincidentally that personis a mexican , but he had to spend several weeks in the hospital.The WHO acted wisely and politics did as well , no need to search for a scapegoat now because we did notget yet another pandemic illness with a death toll in millions/billions.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see it that way as well, first of all the first reports from Mexico were horrendous, secondly, no one really couldsay at that time, that the flu would fizzle out in its strenght.
(Probably there was some resistance to the virusin other parts of the world, I assume the 1918 flu had to do with it, people nowadays living still havesome kind of genetic resistance against that strain)The funny thing is from all people I know only one person really got the flu really hard, and coincidentally that personis a mexican, but he had to spend several weeks in the hospital.The WHO acted wisely and politics did as well, no need to search for a scapegoat now because we did notget yet another pandemic illness with a death toll in millions/billions...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776742</id>
	<title>Re:Hello, think a little!</title>
	<author>gkai</author>
	<datestamp>1263552480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it was a credible threat, I would agree with your analysis....However, it was not: The WHO has been issuing warning every last six years with the regularity of a swiss clock, globally, monopolizing media attention for weeks, without the fear materializing even once. This last one is probably the one too much, as it has cost a lot of money to governments in a period where it is scarce, and having a lot of unused vaccines is very bad PR.<br>It is clear that WHO have incentives to scaremonger continuously, it justify its own existence and can not hurt its budget allocation. However, they also continously become less and less relevant each time they shout "Wolf!". Their utility as a early warning system is thus already compromised, and I wonder if it is still worth it, and budget allocation has to be reviewed....<br>Now, rightfully, some investigations will occur to check if they are other incentive in the WHO alarmism, in form of accointance with vaccine producers. If it is the case, WHO higher staff has to be fired, the whole stuff reorganised, so that it  regain some legitimity and start fresh without the accumulated industry/media links that kill any chance of objectivism and promote bribery...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it was a credible threat , I would agree with your analysis....However , it was not : The WHO has been issuing warning every last six years with the regularity of a swiss clock , globally , monopolizing media attention for weeks , without the fear materializing even once .
This last one is probably the one too much , as it has cost a lot of money to governments in a period where it is scarce , and having a lot of unused vaccines is very bad PR.It is clear that WHO have incentives to scaremonger continuously , it justify its own existence and can not hurt its budget allocation .
However , they also continously become less and less relevant each time they shout " Wolf ! " .
Their utility as a early warning system is thus already compromised , and I wonder if it is still worth it , and budget allocation has to be reviewed....Now , rightfully , some investigations will occur to check if they are other incentive in the WHO alarmism , in form of accointance with vaccine producers .
If it is the case , WHO higher staff has to be fired , the whole stuff reorganised , so that it regain some legitimity and start fresh without the accumulated industry/media links that kill any chance of objectivism and promote bribery.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it was a credible threat, I would agree with your analysis....However, it was not: The WHO has been issuing warning every last six years with the regularity of a swiss clock, globally, monopolizing media attention for weeks, without the fear materializing even once.
This last one is probably the one too much, as it has cost a lot of money to governments in a period where it is scarce, and having a lot of unused vaccines is very bad PR.It is clear that WHO have incentives to scaremonger continuously, it justify its own existence and can not hurt its budget allocation.
However, they also continously become less and less relevant each time they shout "Wolf!".
Their utility as a early warning system is thus already compromised, and I wonder if it is still worth it, and budget allocation has to be reviewed....Now, rightfully, some investigations will occur to check if they are other incentive in the WHO alarmism, in form of accointance with vaccine producers.
If it is the case, WHO higher staff has to be fired, the whole stuff reorganised, so that it  regain some legitimity and start fresh without the accumulated industry/media links that kill any chance of objectivism and promote bribery...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777554</id>
	<title>Re:Hello, think a little!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263562020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I seem to recall that it wasn't that there COULD be a global pandemic that cost millions of lives... but that there WAS a global pandemic that WAS costing millions of lives. It may have not been SAID that way, but it was PRESENTED that way.</p><p>The problem is not bad information, but how it's presented. Even the smartest of us are human and subsequently subject to this kind of influence. I've seen documentaries, science shows, etc. present conjecture in a dramatic way, and very intelligent (but inattentive) people take away that the show claimed it as "fact".</p><p>The same is true with the news.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I seem to recall that it was n't that there COULD be a global pandemic that cost millions of lives... but that there WAS a global pandemic that WAS costing millions of lives .
It may have not been SAID that way , but it was PRESENTED that way.The problem is not bad information , but how it 's presented .
Even the smartest of us are human and subsequently subject to this kind of influence .
I 've seen documentaries , science shows , etc .
present conjecture in a dramatic way , and very intelligent ( but inattentive ) people take away that the show claimed it as " fact " .The same is true with the news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I seem to recall that it wasn't that there COULD be a global pandemic that cost millions of lives... but that there WAS a global pandemic that WAS costing millions of lives.
It may have not been SAID that way, but it was PRESENTED that way.The problem is not bad information, but how it's presented.
Even the smartest of us are human and subsequently subject to this kind of influence.
I've seen documentaries, science shows, etc.
present conjecture in a dramatic way, and very intelligent (but inattentive) people take away that the show claimed it as "fact".The same is true with the news.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777280</id>
	<title>Re:Hello, think a little!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263559140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>We Don't Do Something Now; H1N1 Is a Big Deal:</i></p><p>and the Glorious Magnificent Corporations quickly ramp up production of the vaccine which is rapidly distributed. So even this worst case option is not (as much of) a disaster as you cliam. It would be interesting to know the timescale of the virus production schedules.</p><p><i>You're not a doctor, but lots of credible people tell you this might be a significant problem</i></p><p>Corporate shills are not credible. Their job is to get bucketloads of cash for their employers. Truth or lies are irrelevant - hatever it takes to fill those buckets is all that counts to them.</p><p>Joking aside, I think we should all be grateful that our CEO overlords have the prospect of a healthy bonus and that we survived in good health to fund the next episode. Win-win for all I say.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We Do n't Do Something Now ; H1N1 Is a Big Deal : and the Glorious Magnificent Corporations quickly ramp up production of the vaccine which is rapidly distributed .
So even this worst case option is not ( as much of ) a disaster as you cliam .
It would be interesting to know the timescale of the virus production schedules.You 're not a doctor , but lots of credible people tell you this might be a significant problemCorporate shills are not credible .
Their job is to get bucketloads of cash for their employers .
Truth or lies are irrelevant - hatever it takes to fill those buckets is all that counts to them.Joking aside , I think we should all be grateful that our CEO overlords have the prospect of a healthy bonus and that we survived in good health to fund the next episode .
Win-win for all I say .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We Don't Do Something Now; H1N1 Is a Big Deal:and the Glorious Magnificent Corporations quickly ramp up production of the vaccine which is rapidly distributed.
So even this worst case option is not (as much of) a disaster as you cliam.
It would be interesting to know the timescale of the virus production schedules.You're not a doctor, but lots of credible people tell you this might be a significant problemCorporate shills are not credible.
Their job is to get bucketloads of cash for their employers.
Truth or lies are irrelevant - hatever it takes to fill those buckets is all that counts to them.Joking aside, I think we should all be grateful that our CEO overlords have the prospect of a healthy bonus and that we survived in good health to fund the next episode.
Win-win for all I say.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778670</id>
	<title>Seems to me...</title>
	<author>DigitalSorceress</author>
	<datestamp>1263569640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems to me that if we have all this vaccine, maybe they should be<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... I dunno<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... using it?</p><p>As far as I can tell, even if this particular strain of H1N1 isn't taking over the world, getting the inoculation exposes your immune system to a variant that you probably don't have a lot of natural immunity to.</p><p>I didn't fall in for this whole "zomg, swine flu is gonna kill us all... PANIC!" mentality, but if I were offered the H1N1 vaccine right now (for free or for a reasonable cost), I'd still take it... Maybe it will help my immune system be a bit better prepared the next time an H1N1 type flu comes around.</p><p>Obviously, I'm not one of the folks who worries overly about whether vaccines are going to kill me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems to me that if we have all this vaccine , maybe they should be .... I dunno ... using it ? As far as I can tell , even if this particular strain of H1N1 is n't taking over the world , getting the inoculation exposes your immune system to a variant that you probably do n't have a lot of natural immunity to.I did n't fall in for this whole " zomg , swine flu is gon na kill us all.. .
PANIC ! " mentality , but if I were offered the H1N1 vaccine right now ( for free or for a reasonable cost ) , I 'd still take it... Maybe it will help my immune system be a bit better prepared the next time an H1N1 type flu comes around.Obviously , I 'm not one of the folks who worries overly about whether vaccines are going to kill me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems to me that if we have all this vaccine, maybe they should be .... I dunno ... using it?As far as I can tell, even if this particular strain of H1N1 isn't taking over the world, getting the inoculation exposes your immune system to a variant that you probably don't have a lot of natural immunity to.I didn't fall in for this whole "zomg, swine flu is gonna kill us all...
PANIC!" mentality, but if I were offered the H1N1 vaccine right now (for free or for a reasonable cost), I'd still take it... Maybe it will help my immune system be a bit better prepared the next time an H1N1 type flu comes around.Obviously, I'm not one of the folks who worries overly about whether vaccines are going to kill me.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:"Overestimate" WTF?</title>
	<author>harl</author>
	<datestamp>1263547320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A man named Aesop pointed out the flaw in this logic some 2500 years ago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A man named Aesop pointed out the flaw in this logic some 2500 years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A man named Aesop pointed out the flaw in this logic some 2500 years ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776310</id>
	<title>Re:This made my day</title>
	<author>causality</author>
	<datestamp>1263547020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Even if it blew a lot of government money. We were hit and hit hard by astroturfing and government fear mongering. Now that this information is becoming public this will become an annual event because government can never admit it was wrong.</p></div><p>I have said from the beginning, here and elsewhere, that this whole thing was blown completely out of proportion and never deserved the "panic" status it received.  It's amazing how much disbelief I encountered, especially in the form of ad-hominems.  I suppose that now, some of those people think I just made a lucky guess.  Sometimes I wonder how many times must events like this happen before more people wake up a bit and learn to recognize the patterns.  The only thing that's unusual or surprising about this iteration is that there's at least a perfunctory investigation.  Otherwise, the average person's tolerance for that nagging sense of "something's not right about this" seems nearly endless at times whether it's the swine flu or any other public scare.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if it blew a lot of government money .
We were hit and hit hard by astroturfing and government fear mongering .
Now that this information is becoming public this will become an annual event because government can never admit it was wrong.I have said from the beginning , here and elsewhere , that this whole thing was blown completely out of proportion and never deserved the " panic " status it received .
It 's amazing how much disbelief I encountered , especially in the form of ad-hominems .
I suppose that now , some of those people think I just made a lucky guess .
Sometimes I wonder how many times must events like this happen before more people wake up a bit and learn to recognize the patterns .
The only thing that 's unusual or surprising about this iteration is that there 's at least a perfunctory investigation .
Otherwise , the average person 's tolerance for that nagging sense of " something 's not right about this " seems nearly endless at times whether it 's the swine flu or any other public scare .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if it blew a lot of government money.
We were hit and hit hard by astroturfing and government fear mongering.
Now that this information is becoming public this will become an annual event because government can never admit it was wrong.I have said from the beginning, here and elsewhere, that this whole thing was blown completely out of proportion and never deserved the "panic" status it received.
It's amazing how much disbelief I encountered, especially in the form of ad-hominems.
I suppose that now, some of those people think I just made a lucky guess.
Sometimes I wonder how many times must events like this happen before more people wake up a bit and learn to recognize the patterns.
The only thing that's unusual or surprising about this iteration is that there's at least a perfunctory investigation.
Otherwise, the average person's tolerance for that nagging sense of "something's not right about this" seems nearly endless at times whether it's the swine flu or any other public scare.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30780850</id>
	<title>Re:This worked out OK.</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1263580260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interestingly, we have real evidence that the vaccines did NOT contribute much to the outcome (unlike Y2K where the fixes in the years leading up to 2000 certainly DID make it a non-event). Unlike Y2K, where we KNEW for a fact that systems would fail if not corrected in advance, we had good reason to believe that swine flu would be a non-event.</p><p>This is not a case where foresight and a heroic effort made the difference. The swine flu "pandemic" was already in decline before the shots started to become effective. At least one large batch of the vaccine turned out to be ineffective and yet it didn't cause a disaster.</p><p>Unlike whooping cough and rubella, the flu is different enough each year that last year's vaccine confers no benefit. When one vaccination gives a lifetime of protection, it's a much bigger win. That changes both cost/benefit and risk/benefit analysis.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interestingly , we have real evidence that the vaccines did NOT contribute much to the outcome ( unlike Y2K where the fixes in the years leading up to 2000 certainly DID make it a non-event ) .
Unlike Y2K , where we KNEW for a fact that systems would fail if not corrected in advance , we had good reason to believe that swine flu would be a non-event.This is not a case where foresight and a heroic effort made the difference .
The swine flu " pandemic " was already in decline before the shots started to become effective .
At least one large batch of the vaccine turned out to be ineffective and yet it did n't cause a disaster.Unlike whooping cough and rubella , the flu is different enough each year that last year 's vaccine confers no benefit .
When one vaccination gives a lifetime of protection , it 's a much bigger win .
That changes both cost/benefit and risk/benefit analysis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interestingly, we have real evidence that the vaccines did NOT contribute much to the outcome (unlike Y2K where the fixes in the years leading up to 2000 certainly DID make it a non-event).
Unlike Y2K, where we KNEW for a fact that systems would fail if not corrected in advance, we had good reason to believe that swine flu would be a non-event.This is not a case where foresight and a heroic effort made the difference.
The swine flu "pandemic" was already in decline before the shots started to become effective.
At least one large batch of the vaccine turned out to be ineffective and yet it didn't cause a disaster.Unlike whooping cough and rubella, the flu is different enough each year that last year's vaccine confers no benefit.
When one vaccination gives a lifetime of protection, it's a much bigger win.
That changes both cost/benefit and risk/benefit analysis.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1263556620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>3,000 deaths is the same number of people who died in the World Trade Center. Did you get upset about that? Or did you laugh it off like you're doing with the flu?</p></div><p>Laugh it off? I <em>wave</em> it off, with my middle finger. 85,000 people die due directly to consumption of alcohol every year, but we're not declaring war on alcohol. Anyway, the number of people who died was not at all the big deal there; one or two people dying would have had a similar effect. The point is terror, to make people look up when they see planes. 3,000 deaths is small fucking potatoes.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>People get into a position of responsibility because unlike you, they're doctors and they know the facts. They're not going to take a chance with 3,000 lives at stake.</p></div><p>The very argument here, made by an influential employee of the WHO, is that they don't know the facts, and moreover that the people upon whom they were depending to tell them the truth deliberately lied to them. Your argument is nonsensical. Did you even read the summary?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>You are suffering from stupidity, which is an even worse disease than the flu, and it's going around Slashdot.</p><p>I'm sorry, we really don't have any cure.</p></div><p>While that's true, we could mitigate the risk by removing your ability to post.</p></div>
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<tokenext>3,000 deaths is the same number of people who died in the World Trade Center .
Did you get upset about that ?
Or did you laugh it off like you 're doing with the flu ? Laugh it off ?
I wave it off , with my middle finger .
85,000 people die due directly to consumption of alcohol every year , but we 're not declaring war on alcohol .
Anyway , the number of people who died was not at all the big deal there ; one or two people dying would have had a similar effect .
The point is terror , to make people look up when they see planes .
3,000 deaths is small fucking potatoes.People get into a position of responsibility because unlike you , they 're doctors and they know the facts .
They 're not going to take a chance with 3,000 lives at stake.The very argument here , made by an influential employee of the WHO , is that they do n't know the facts , and moreover that the people upon whom they were depending to tell them the truth deliberately lied to them .
Your argument is nonsensical .
Did you even read the summary ? You are suffering from stupidity , which is an even worse disease than the flu , and it 's going around Slashdot.I 'm sorry , we really do n't have any cure.While that 's true , we could mitigate the risk by removing your ability to post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>3,000 deaths is the same number of people who died in the World Trade Center.
Did you get upset about that?
Or did you laugh it off like you're doing with the flu?Laugh it off?
I wave it off, with my middle finger.
85,000 people die due directly to consumption of alcohol every year, but we're not declaring war on alcohol.
Anyway, the number of people who died was not at all the big deal there; one or two people dying would have had a similar effect.
The point is terror, to make people look up when they see planes.
3,000 deaths is small fucking potatoes.People get into a position of responsibility because unlike you, they're doctors and they know the facts.
They're not going to take a chance with 3,000 lives at stake.The very argument here, made by an influential employee of the WHO, is that they don't know the facts, and moreover that the people upon whom they were depending to tell them the truth deliberately lied to them.
Your argument is nonsensical.
Did you even read the summary?You are suffering from stupidity, which is an even worse disease than the flu, and it's going around Slashdot.I'm sorry, we really don't have any cure.While that's true, we could mitigate the risk by removing your ability to post.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30870682</id>
	<title>Re:Shouldn't we be happy?</title>
	<author>thsths</author>
	<datestamp>1264271340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; It's like an insurance, and 200 million Euro is nothing compared to the cost of having a hundreds of thousands people ill with the flu.</p><p>I would have agreed, if the vaccine had arrived in time. In fact, it is way way too late: in the UK only now do they vaccinate children (which spread the virus around the country once school reopened after the summer holidays), and it is still not available to the general population.</p><p>The epidemic has already run its course, much faster than anticipated, but also with much fewer consequences. Yes, a lot of people where off work for a day or two, which is a lot of lost labor. Preventing this would have been worth while, if the vaccine had been available in the late summer or early autumn.</p><p>And yes, this could have been known, because you can just sample a cross section of the population and do virus RNA tests. 100 tests would have painted a picture, 1000 given reliable data, for less than a million. But instead politicians drove this "by night" and wasted billions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; It 's like an insurance , and 200 million Euro is nothing compared to the cost of having a hundreds of thousands people ill with the flu.I would have agreed , if the vaccine had arrived in time .
In fact , it is way way too late : in the UK only now do they vaccinate children ( which spread the virus around the country once school reopened after the summer holidays ) , and it is still not available to the general population.The epidemic has already run its course , much faster than anticipated , but also with much fewer consequences .
Yes , a lot of people where off work for a day or two , which is a lot of lost labor .
Preventing this would have been worth while , if the vaccine had been available in the late summer or early autumn.And yes , this could have been known , because you can just sample a cross section of the population and do virus RNA tests .
100 tests would have painted a picture , 1000 given reliable data , for less than a million .
But instead politicians drove this " by night " and wasted billions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; It's like an insurance, and 200 million Euro is nothing compared to the cost of having a hundreds of thousands people ill with the flu.I would have agreed, if the vaccine had arrived in time.
In fact, it is way way too late: in the UK only now do they vaccinate children (which spread the virus around the country once school reopened after the summer holidays), and it is still not available to the general population.The epidemic has already run its course, much faster than anticipated, but also with much fewer consequences.
Yes, a lot of people where off work for a day or two, which is a lot of lost labor.
Preventing this would have been worth while, if the vaccine had been available in the late summer or early autumn.And yes, this could have been known, because you can just sample a cross section of the population and do virus RNA tests.
100 tests would have painted a picture, 1000 given reliable data, for less than a million.
But instead politicians drove this "by night" and wasted billions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777792</id>
	<title>Re:Not only UK</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1263564540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your argument is invalid, since it was 100\% and absolutely clear that people would never have &ldquo;died like flies&rdquo;. Simply because swine flu is less bad than <em>normal</em> flu, and hence you normally don&rsquo;t die from it. The rest was a bag of deliberate lies. You could have had swine flu, and think you just had a mild case of normal flu.<br>Everybody in government knew that it was pretty much harmless. And far from a &ldquo;pandemic&rdquo;. Much less a deadly one.</p><p>Also, how on earth do you use up 18 million doses on 9 million people??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your argument is invalid , since it was 100 \ % and absolutely clear that people would never have    died like flies    .
Simply because swine flu is less bad than normal flu , and hence you normally don    t die from it .
The rest was a bag of deliberate lies .
You could have had swine flu , and think you just had a mild case of normal flu.Everybody in government knew that it was pretty much harmless .
And far from a    pandemic    .
Much less a deadly one.Also , how on earth do you use up 18 million doses on 9 million people ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your argument is invalid, since it was 100\% and absolutely clear that people would never have “died like flies”.
Simply because swine flu is less bad than normal flu, and hence you normally don’t die from it.
The rest was a bag of deliberate lies.
You could have had swine flu, and think you just had a mild case of normal flu.Everybody in government knew that it was pretty much harmless.
And far from a “pandemic”.
Much less a deadly one.Also, how on earth do you use up 18 million doses on 9 million people?
?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777348</id>
	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263559860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bravo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bravo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bravo.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777426</id>
	<title>Re:Oh, I see</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263560760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So regular people weren't the only ones caught up in the sensationalism that is/was swine flu. Governments were hooked by it too...</p></div><p>True but little known fact...  Governments are made of people. Strangely so are corporations, organizations, and the general populous. Now you know. Crazy, huh?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So regular people were n't the only ones caught up in the sensationalism that is/was swine flu .
Governments were hooked by it too...True but little known fact... Governments are made of people .
Strangely so are corporations , organizations , and the general populous .
Now you know .
Crazy , huh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So regular people weren't the only ones caught up in the sensationalism that is/was swine flu.
Governments were hooked by it too...True but little known fact...  Governments are made of people.
Strangely so are corporations, organizations, and the general populous.
Now you know.
Crazy, huh?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777110</id>
	<title>Re:Fear-fad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263557280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Me, my eldest son, the neighbours' three kids, and their mother all got swine flu around the end of November. Not too surprising as the kids all play together. We're all pretty healthy active people.  Of the six of us, four had relatively mild flu - not nice, but not a big deal.  One of the neighbours' kids and I got it a lot worse.  The flu itself was very unpleasant, but the bigger issue was the whole series of secondary infections that followed on afterwards.  I'm finally getting properly well again now, six weeks later, but I'm still on antibiotics.  The neighbour's kid is still advised by his doctor to stay off sports, but he's mostly recovered now too.
<p>
Having seen what it can be like for healthy people, and that most of us have no immunity to this version, I'm really happy they did order lots of vaccine.  I'd hate to think what it would be like if you did have some health problem.  I've got an appointment to get my youngest son vaccinated on Monday.  Maybe the risk is over, maybe it's not.  Either way, I think it makes sense.  If another H1N1 pandemic comes along in a few years time, maybe he'll have a little immunity the way the over-60s seem to have had for this one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Me , my eldest son , the neighbours ' three kids , and their mother all got swine flu around the end of November .
Not too surprising as the kids all play together .
We 're all pretty healthy active people .
Of the six of us , four had relatively mild flu - not nice , but not a big deal .
One of the neighbours ' kids and I got it a lot worse .
The flu itself was very unpleasant , but the bigger issue was the whole series of secondary infections that followed on afterwards .
I 'm finally getting properly well again now , six weeks later , but I 'm still on antibiotics .
The neighbour 's kid is still advised by his doctor to stay off sports , but he 's mostly recovered now too .
Having seen what it can be like for healthy people , and that most of us have no immunity to this version , I 'm really happy they did order lots of vaccine .
I 'd hate to think what it would be like if you did have some health problem .
I 've got an appointment to get my youngest son vaccinated on Monday .
Maybe the risk is over , maybe it 's not .
Either way , I think it makes sense .
If another H1N1 pandemic comes along in a few years time , maybe he 'll have a little immunity the way the over-60s seem to have had for this one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Me, my eldest son, the neighbours' three kids, and their mother all got swine flu around the end of November.
Not too surprising as the kids all play together.
We're all pretty healthy active people.
Of the six of us, four had relatively mild flu - not nice, but not a big deal.
One of the neighbours' kids and I got it a lot worse.
The flu itself was very unpleasant, but the bigger issue was the whole series of secondary infections that followed on afterwards.
I'm finally getting properly well again now, six weeks later, but I'm still on antibiotics.
The neighbour's kid is still advised by his doctor to stay off sports, but he's mostly recovered now too.
Having seen what it can be like for healthy people, and that most of us have no immunity to this version, I'm really happy they did order lots of vaccine.
I'd hate to think what it would be like if you did have some health problem.
I've got an appointment to get my youngest son vaccinated on Monday.
Maybe the risk is over, maybe it's not.
Either way, I think it makes sense.
If another H1N1 pandemic comes along in a few years time, maybe he'll have a little immunity the way the over-60s seem to have had for this one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778622</id>
	<title>Re:"Overestimate" WTF?</title>
	<author>Scrameustache</author>
	<datestamp>1263569460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Guys, if you prepare for a disaster and it does not actually happen, that is a <strong>good thing</strong>.</p><p>Firefighters are generally not disappointed when there's no fire.</p></div><p>Firefighters would want to have a word with the guy who kept yelling "<b>FIRE! FIRE!</b>" in the theatre when all there was was a guy using a lighter to see the program.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Guys , if you prepare for a disaster and it does not actually happen , that is a good thing.Firefighters are generally not disappointed when there 's no fire.Firefighters would want to have a word with the guy who kept yelling " FIRE !
FIRE ! " in the theatre when all there was was a guy using a lighter to see the program .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guys, if you prepare for a disaster and it does not actually happen, that is a good thing.Firefighters are generally not disappointed when there's no fire.Firefighters would want to have a word with the guy who kept yelling "FIRE!
FIRE!" in the theatre when all there was was a guy using a lighter to see the program.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778500</id>
	<title>20-20 hindsight</title>
	<author>TapeCutter</author>
	<datestamp>1263568800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I'm glad you spoke up. I can't belive the number of supposedly educated people who automatically jump onto the conspiracy/scam conclusion mat. I'm sure that the drug companies rub their hands at this sort of thing but that does not change the risk/benifit analysis. I would much rather the government spent millions on vaccines that are not used than ignore credible warnings and end up spending millions on body bags.
<br> <br>
Yes the WHO were wrong about the number of dead but it IS a very nasty strain that causes severe lung infections. Here in Australia swine flu put an  <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5981C220091009" title="reuters.com">unusually heavy load on ICU beds last winter</a> [reuters.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm glad you spoke up .
I ca n't belive the number of supposedly educated people who automatically jump onto the conspiracy/scam conclusion mat .
I 'm sure that the drug companies rub their hands at this sort of thing but that does not change the risk/benifit analysis .
I would much rather the government spent millions on vaccines that are not used than ignore credible warnings and end up spending millions on body bags .
Yes the WHO were wrong about the number of dead but it IS a very nasty strain that causes severe lung infections .
Here in Australia swine flu put an unusually heavy load on ICU beds last winter [ reuters.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm glad you spoke up.
I can't belive the number of supposedly educated people who automatically jump onto the conspiracy/scam conclusion mat.
I'm sure that the drug companies rub their hands at this sort of thing but that does not change the risk/benifit analysis.
I would much rather the government spent millions on vaccines that are not used than ignore credible warnings and end up spending millions on body bags.
Yes the WHO were wrong about the number of dead but it IS a very nasty strain that causes severe lung infections.
Here in Australia swine flu put an  unusually heavy load on ICU beds last winter [reuters.com].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778580</id>
	<title>Re:Fear-fad</title>
	<author>cmarkn</author>
	<datestamp>1263569160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>It&rsquo;s just the freaking flu.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish\_flu#Mortality" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish\_flu#Mortality</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>&ldquo; Influenza may have killed as many as 25 million in its first 25 weeks. Older estimates say it killed 40&ndash;50 million people[4] while current estimates say 50&mdash;100 million people worldwide were killed.&rdquo;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It    s just the freaking flu.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish \ _flu # Mortality [ wikipedia.org ]    Influenza may have killed as many as 25 million in its first 25 weeks .
Older estimates say it killed 40    50 million people [ 4 ] while current estimates say 50    100 million people worldwide were killed.   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>It’s just the freaking flu.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish\_flu#Mortality [wikipedia.org]“ Influenza may have killed as many as 25 million in its first 25 weeks.
Older estimates say it killed 40–50 million people[4] while current estimates say 50—100 million people worldwide were killed.”</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30775952</id>
	<title>Shifting the blame?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263498900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Great way of shifting the blame. I mean it's pretty obvious that companies like GSK have an incentive for overplaying the threat. BUT institutions like the WHO must also justify their existence all the time thus having a similiar incentive, too. It is not just big pharma that is guilty in this case. Since the WHO (IMHO) overplayed the avian flu I've been taking their announcements with a grain of salt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great way of shifting the blame .
I mean it 's pretty obvious that companies like GSK have an incentive for overplaying the threat .
BUT institutions like the WHO must also justify their existence all the time thus having a similiar incentive , too .
It is not just big pharma that is guilty in this case .
Since the WHO ( IMHO ) overplayed the avian flu I 've been taking their announcements with a grain of salt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great way of shifting the blame.
I mean it's pretty obvious that companies like GSK have an incentive for overplaying the threat.
BUT institutions like the WHO must also justify their existence all the time thus having a similiar incentive, too.
It is not just big pharma that is guilty in this case.
Since the WHO (IMHO) overplayed the avian flu I've been taking their announcements with a grain of salt.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776024</id>
	<title>boy who cried wolf?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263586260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the problem is when we have a real serious threat, people won't take it seriously, and why should we, we are becoming desensitized to this stuff, they should see who is behind this, if its vaccine manufacturs, they need to go after them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the problem is when we have a real serious threat , people wo n't take it seriously , and why should we , we are becoming desensitized to this stuff , they should see who is behind this , if its vaccine manufacturs , they need to go after them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the problem is when we have a real serious threat, people won't take it seriously, and why should we, we are becoming desensitized to this stuff, they should see who is behind this, if its vaccine manufacturs, they need to go after them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777500</id>
	<title>Re:Obligatory...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263561480000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.smbc-theater.com/?id=175" title="smbc-theater.com" rel="nofollow">I fucked your mother</a> [smbc-theater.com]

<p>
Note: NSFW, but relevant to this thread!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I fucked your mother [ smbc-theater.com ] Note : NSFW , but relevant to this thread !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I fucked your mother [smbc-theater.com]


Note: NSFW, but relevant to this thread!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778446</id>
	<title>Re:"Overestimate" WTF?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263568500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Unless that preparation involves spending hundreds of millions of dollars on vaccines, which most of a target population elects not to receive, and which are not a long-lived investment but must be tossed out after a year (or whenever vaccines expire / become irrelevant due to mutations).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless that preparation involves spending hundreds of millions of dollars on vaccines , which most of a target population elects not to receive , and which are not a long-lived investment but must be tossed out after a year ( or whenever vaccines expire / become irrelevant due to mutations ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless that preparation involves spending hundreds of millions of dollars on vaccines, which most of a target population elects not to receive, and which are not a long-lived investment but must be tossed out after a year (or whenever vaccines expire / become irrelevant due to mutations).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777276</id>
	<title>why are people calling this fearmongering?</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1263559080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>fearmongering is when you pretty much know something is not a big deal, but you hype it up anyways. but we're talking about a brand new disease here. no one knows what it could have done. no one could say that there was overreacting or underreacting going on, because no one knew what swine flu had in store for us. you are not operating on fear when you consider the worst possible scenarios and the worst possible scenarios are certainly possible. and since the worst possible scenarios are so harsh, you cover all your bases and get a lot of vaccines. there's only logic and reason there, no fear in play</p><p>furthermore, who's to say the government's thorough and overpowering countermeasures all summer didn't make a difference? its like saying it was silly to waste all the money making all the buildings earthquake proof... because the earthquake came and no buildings fell down... well no shit! the quake proofing saw to that! maybe h1n1 was no big deal precisely because we reacted so swiftly and heavily</p><p>i don't know where fearmongering comes into the equation anywhere</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>fearmongering is when you pretty much know something is not a big deal , but you hype it up anyways .
but we 're talking about a brand new disease here .
no one knows what it could have done .
no one could say that there was overreacting or underreacting going on , because no one knew what swine flu had in store for us .
you are not operating on fear when you consider the worst possible scenarios and the worst possible scenarios are certainly possible .
and since the worst possible scenarios are so harsh , you cover all your bases and get a lot of vaccines .
there 's only logic and reason there , no fear in playfurthermore , who 's to say the government 's thorough and overpowering countermeasures all summer did n't make a difference ?
its like saying it was silly to waste all the money making all the buildings earthquake proof... because the earthquake came and no buildings fell down... well no shit !
the quake proofing saw to that !
maybe h1n1 was no big deal precisely because we reacted so swiftly and heavilyi do n't know where fearmongering comes into the equation anywhere</tokentext>
<sentencetext>fearmongering is when you pretty much know something is not a big deal, but you hype it up anyways.
but we're talking about a brand new disease here.
no one knows what it could have done.
no one could say that there was overreacting or underreacting going on, because no one knew what swine flu had in store for us.
you are not operating on fear when you consider the worst possible scenarios and the worst possible scenarios are certainly possible.
and since the worst possible scenarios are so harsh, you cover all your bases and get a lot of vaccines.
there's only logic and reason there, no fear in playfurthermore, who's to say the government's thorough and overpowering countermeasures all summer didn't make a difference?
its like saying it was silly to waste all the money making all the buildings earthquake proof... because the earthquake came and no buildings fell down... well no shit!
the quake proofing saw to that!
maybe h1n1 was no big deal precisely because we reacted so swiftly and heavilyi don't know where fearmongering comes into the equation anywhere</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776288</id>
	<title>Projected Deaths</title>
	<author>pipingguy</author>
	<datestamp>1263546780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Has anyone done a comparison to deaths via peanut allergies?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Has anyone done a comparison to deaths via peanut allergies ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has anyone done a comparison to deaths via peanut allergies?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776872</id>
	<title>Re:Hello, think a little!</title>
	<author>krou</author>
	<datestamp>1263554100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I understand completely the scenarios you put forward, but the issue is not so much the decision made, but the information the decision was based on. Surely people are right to question whether there is a conflict of interest with regards to who is giving that information? In your scenario, the person making the decision is very, very susceptible to manipulation, because you're arguing that a decision must be made regardless of the quality or accuracy of the information.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I understand completely the scenarios you put forward , but the issue is not so much the decision made , but the information the decision was based on .
Surely people are right to question whether there is a conflict of interest with regards to who is giving that information ?
In your scenario , the person making the decision is very , very susceptible to manipulation , because you 're arguing that a decision must be made regardless of the quality or accuracy of the information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I understand completely the scenarios you put forward, but the issue is not so much the decision made, but the information the decision was based on.
Surely people are right to question whether there is a conflict of interest with regards to who is giving that information?
In your scenario, the person making the decision is very, very susceptible to manipulation, because you're arguing that a decision must be made regardless of the quality or accuracy of the information.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777750</id>
	<title>Re:This worked out OK.</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1263564120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OTOH it's easy to find so called Western countries, open to the world, and in which almost nobody got vaccinated. The numbers were withing typical flu season.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OTOH it 's easy to find so called Western countries , open to the world , and in which almost nobody got vaccinated .
The numbers were withing typical flu season .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OTOH it's easy to find so called Western countries, open to the world, and in which almost nobody got vaccinated.
The numbers were withing typical flu season.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776972</id>
	<title>Re:I actually like swine flu</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263556020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Myself, my two roommates and two other friends ended up contracting swine flu. It was nothing. Feel blah for a month and it's over.</p><p>The kicker, however... One roommate is what I would say is pretty unhealthy. He's obese and has practices minimal hygiene. The other roommate is fairly average. He was still able to make classes during the semester.</p><p>Myself and the two other friends, we had another factor that was supposed to complicate issues. We're HIV+. It was the easiest sickness we've ever gotten over.</p><p>Swine flu was a scam.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Myself , my two roommates and two other friends ended up contracting swine flu .
It was nothing .
Feel blah for a month and it 's over.The kicker , however... One roommate is what I would say is pretty unhealthy .
He 's obese and has practices minimal hygiene .
The other roommate is fairly average .
He was still able to make classes during the semester.Myself and the two other friends , we had another factor that was supposed to complicate issues .
We 're HIV + .
It was the easiest sickness we 've ever gotten over.Swine flu was a scam .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Myself, my two roommates and two other friends ended up contracting swine flu.
It was nothing.
Feel blah for a month and it's over.The kicker, however... One roommate is what I would say is pretty unhealthy.
He's obese and has practices minimal hygiene.
The other roommate is fairly average.
He was still able to make classes during the semester.Myself and the two other friends, we had another factor that was supposed to complicate issues.
We're HIV+.
It was the easiest sickness we've ever gotten over.Swine flu was a scam.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30782632</id>
	<title>Re:I actually like swine flu</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263587580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This was not a rumor.</p><p>http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1943210/obese\_at\_greater\_risk\_for\_swine\_flu.html</p><p>And you should fix your fatness anyway as it is one of the leading causes of death--- outpacing viral and bacterial infections easily.</p><p>http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/05/07/13/the\_six\_most\_feared\_but\_least\_likely\_causes\_of\_death.htm</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This was not a rumor.http : //www.associatedcontent.com/article/1943210/obese \ _at \ _greater \ _risk \ _for \ _swine \ _flu.htmlAnd you should fix your fatness anyway as it is one of the leading causes of death--- outpacing viral and bacterial infections easily.http : //www.sixwise.com/newsletters/05/07/13/the \ _six \ _most \ _feared \ _but \ _least \ _likely \ _causes \ _of \ _death.htm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was not a rumor.http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1943210/obese\_at\_greater\_risk\_for\_swine\_flu.htmlAnd you should fix your fatness anyway as it is one of the leading causes of death--- outpacing viral and bacterial infections easily.http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/05/07/13/the\_six\_most\_feared\_but\_least\_likely\_causes\_of\_death.htm</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778890</id>
	<title>Re:Ghast my flabber!</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1263570780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But how many people did the vaccine keep out of hospitals?</p><p>I don't know the number, so I can't answer that question, but it is at least possible that the vaccination spending reduced the load on medical services (rather than simply reducing the funding available).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But how many people did the vaccine keep out of hospitals ? I do n't know the number , so I ca n't answer that question , but it is at least possible that the vaccination spending reduced the load on medical services ( rather than simply reducing the funding available ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But how many people did the vaccine keep out of hospitals?I don't know the number, so I can't answer that question, but it is at least possible that the vaccination spending reduced the load on medical services (rather than simply reducing the funding available).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777376</id>
	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263560220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's that sort of b*llocks that caused the mess in the first place.</p><p>Let's leave aside, for the moment, the ridiculous <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal\_to\_emotion" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">appeal to emotion</a> [wikipedia.org] with the world trade centre reference, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument\_from\_ignorance" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">argument from ignorance</a> [wikipedia.org] with the 1918 reference and the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw\_man" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">straw man</a> [wikipedia.org] arguments about earthquake proofing and levies.</p><ul><li>Was it a reasonable decision to consider swine flu a risk? Yes</li></ul><ul><li>Was it reasonable to ask for expert medical opinion on the options? Of course, yes. Thanks for pointing out the blindingly obvious.</li></ul><ul><li>Did the WHO make a complete and utter clusterf*ck of the whole operation? Absolutely!</li></ul><p>For public health issues, we need medical professionals who understand that they need the <b>informed</b> consent of government and the population as a whole. They could have presented the data in a reasoned, balanced way to both instead of doomsday scenarios. The chicken little approach that was taken may get you more political pressure but it's professionally negligent. Why does the parent poster require a degree in virology to question that?</p><p>When I got cancer, if my doctor had run around the room screaming "you're going to f*cking die" then I would have called him an idiot and looked for someone else in the same profession who could calmly explain the options for chemotherapy. I don't need to be a medical doctor to do that and you'd be an idiot to suggest that I do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's that sort of b * llocks that caused the mess in the first place.Let 's leave aside , for the moment , the ridiculous appeal to emotion [ wikipedia.org ] with the world trade centre reference , the argument from ignorance [ wikipedia.org ] with the 1918 reference and the straw man [ wikipedia.org ] arguments about earthquake proofing and levies.Was it a reasonable decision to consider swine flu a risk ?
YesWas it reasonable to ask for expert medical opinion on the options ?
Of course , yes .
Thanks for pointing out the blindingly obvious.Did the WHO make a complete and utter clusterf * ck of the whole operation ?
Absolutely ! For public health issues , we need medical professionals who understand that they need the informed consent of government and the population as a whole .
They could have presented the data in a reasoned , balanced way to both instead of doomsday scenarios .
The chicken little approach that was taken may get you more political pressure but it 's professionally negligent .
Why does the parent poster require a degree in virology to question that ? When I got cancer , if my doctor had run around the room screaming " you 're going to f * cking die " then I would have called him an idiot and looked for someone else in the same profession who could calmly explain the options for chemotherapy .
I do n't need to be a medical doctor to do that and you 'd be an idiot to suggest that I do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's that sort of b*llocks that caused the mess in the first place.Let's leave aside, for the moment, the ridiculous appeal to emotion [wikipedia.org] with the world trade centre reference, the argument from ignorance [wikipedia.org] with the 1918 reference and the straw man [wikipedia.org] arguments about earthquake proofing and levies.Was it a reasonable decision to consider swine flu a risk?
YesWas it reasonable to ask for expert medical opinion on the options?
Of course, yes.
Thanks for pointing out the blindingly obvious.Did the WHO make a complete and utter clusterf*ck of the whole operation?
Absolutely!For public health issues, we need medical professionals who understand that they need the informed consent of government and the population as a whole.
They could have presented the data in a reasoned, balanced way to both instead of doomsday scenarios.
The chicken little approach that was taken may get you more political pressure but it's professionally negligent.
Why does the parent poster require a degree in virology to question that?When I got cancer, if my doctor had run around the room screaming "you're going to f*cking die" then I would have called him an idiot and looked for someone else in the same profession who could calmly explain the options for chemotherapy.
I don't need to be a medical doctor to do that and you'd be an idiot to suggest that I do.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776810</id>
	<title>Re:This worked out OK.</title>
	<author>pipingguy</author>
	<datestamp>1263553260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>It's better to prevent a catastrophe than to fix one</i> <br> <br>
On the other hand, creating a crisis where none previously existed makes a lot of money.
<br> <br>
What are the actual death numbers for H1N1 vs. normal flu deaths again?
<br> <br>
I'm one of those allergic people people you hear about every now and then - I adapt to my surroundings, not expecting others to accommodate me. My opinion is that people have gone overboard regarding germs and allergies.<br> <br>
(I was one of those kids that had never-ending allergy tests and shots back in the 60s and 70s, I'm still here. Feel free to ask me questions)</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's better to prevent a catastrophe than to fix one On the other hand , creating a crisis where none previously existed makes a lot of money .
What are the actual death numbers for H1N1 vs. normal flu deaths again ?
I 'm one of those allergic people people you hear about every now and then - I adapt to my surroundings , not expecting others to accommodate me .
My opinion is that people have gone overboard regarding germs and allergies .
( I was one of those kids that had never-ending allergy tests and shots back in the 60s and 70s , I 'm still here .
Feel free to ask me questions )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's better to prevent a catastrophe than to fix one  
On the other hand, creating a crisis where none previously existed makes a lot of money.
What are the actual death numbers for H1N1 vs. normal flu deaths again?
I'm one of those allergic people people you hear about every now and then - I adapt to my surroundings, not expecting others to accommodate me.
My opinion is that people have gone overboard regarding germs and allergies.
(I was one of those kids that had never-ending allergy tests and shots back in the 60s and 70s, I'm still here.
Feel free to ask me questions)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30779954</id>
	<title>Re:I actually like swine flu</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263576600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You did that based on a rumour about H1N1? and not the well documented massive increase in change of premature death due to cardiovascular disease?  Good for you, but an odd rationale.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You did that based on a rumour about H1N1 ?
and not the well documented massive increase in change of premature death due to cardiovascular disease ?
Good for you , but an odd rationale .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You did that based on a rumour about H1N1?
and not the well documented massive increase in change of premature death due to cardiovascular disease?
Good for you, but an odd rationale.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30780496</id>
	<title>Ye, but....</title>
	<author>xirusmom</author>
	<datestamp>1263578940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree that the media does this all the time and it was not different for the H1N1</p><p>That said... Maybe in the US we did not see a difference in the death numbers, but my dad and step mom are doctors in Brazil and it was a lot different there. </p><p>We do not really have a flu season.  We do not even get vaccines for it. It would make no sense (and we do have a pretty comprehensive vaccine program, all free, btw). Not that we don not have flu, it is just not as dramatic as it it here. And you never hear of people dying from it, unless they are very debilitated already. </p><p>The H1N1 killed people there that nobody expected to be a victim of the flu. Young people, pregnant women. That was the difference. Plus, many of my friends here in the US got it, and although it was not fatal for any of them, it was so painful that I would not have wanted to go through that myself or worse, have my 3 year old in horrible pain for a week. I got him vaccinated with the mist (individual doses do not have as may preservatives) and now that it is widely available I got one for myself. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree that the media does this all the time and it was not different for the H1N1That said... Maybe in the US we did not see a difference in the death numbers , but my dad and step mom are doctors in Brazil and it was a lot different there .
We do not really have a flu season .
We do not even get vaccines for it .
It would make no sense ( and we do have a pretty comprehensive vaccine program , all free , btw ) .
Not that we don not have flu , it is just not as dramatic as it it here .
And you never hear of people dying from it , unless they are very debilitated already .
The H1N1 killed people there that nobody expected to be a victim of the flu .
Young people , pregnant women .
That was the difference .
Plus , many of my friends here in the US got it , and although it was not fatal for any of them , it was so painful that I would not have wanted to go through that myself or worse , have my 3 year old in horrible pain for a week .
I got him vaccinated with the mist ( individual doses do not have as may preservatives ) and now that it is widely available I got one for myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree that the media does this all the time and it was not different for the H1N1That said... Maybe in the US we did not see a difference in the death numbers, but my dad and step mom are doctors in Brazil and it was a lot different there.
We do not really have a flu season.
We do not even get vaccines for it.
It would make no sense (and we do have a pretty comprehensive vaccine program, all free, btw).
Not that we don not have flu, it is just not as dramatic as it it here.
And you never hear of people dying from it, unless they are very debilitated already.
The H1N1 killed people there that nobody expected to be a victim of the flu.
Young people, pregnant women.
That was the difference.
Plus, many of my friends here in the US got it, and although it was not fatal for any of them, it was so painful that I would not have wanted to go through that myself or worse, have my 3 year old in horrible pain for a week.
I got him vaccinated with the mist (individual doses do not have as may preservatives) and now that it is widely available I got one for myself. </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30775980</id>
	<title>Not only UK</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263585600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>This case did not only occur in the UK. Sweden bought 18 million doses, to a population of 9 million at price of about 140,000,000 USD. However, not all have been used as some refused to get it and others cannot. It is quite likely that Glax-Smith-Klein used the situation, but... What if the governments hadn't done it? And people had died as flies... Hindsights...</htmltext>
<tokenext>This case did not only occur in the UK .
Sweden bought 18 million doses , to a population of 9 million at price of about 140,000,000 USD .
However , not all have been used as some refused to get it and others can not .
It is quite likely that Glax-Smith-Klein used the situation , but... What if the governments had n't done it ?
And people had died as flies... Hindsights.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This case did not only occur in the UK.
Sweden bought 18 million doses, to a population of 9 million at price of about 140,000,000 USD.
However, not all have been used as some refused to get it and others cannot.
It is quite likely that Glax-Smith-Klein used the situation, but... What if the governments hadn't done it?
And people had died as flies... Hindsights...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778856</id>
	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>YouDoNotWantToKnow</author>
	<datestamp>1263570600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lol i could smell that 9/11 remark and stupidity insult from sentence one, you nuts have a distinguishingly patronizing trolling style everywhere you go.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lol i could smell that 9/11 remark and stupidity insult from sentence one , you nuts have a distinguishingly patronizing trolling style everywhere you go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lol i could smell that 9/11 remark and stupidity insult from sentence one, you nuts have a distinguishingly patronizing trolling style everywhere you go.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776164</id>
	<title>This worked out OK.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263588240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I have no problem with this.  There was a reasonable likelihood of a megadeath sized pandemic.   Appropriate steps were taken to prevent it.  Some of those steps may have been unnecessary, but it didn't hurt and wasn't outrageously expensive.
</p><p>
The swine flue vaccination campaign in the US probably has already saved more lives than the entire Department of Homeland Security.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have no problem with this .
There was a reasonable likelihood of a megadeath sized pandemic .
Appropriate steps were taken to prevent it .
Some of those steps may have been unnecessary , but it did n't hurt and was n't outrageously expensive .
The swine flue vaccination campaign in the US probably has already saved more lives than the entire Department of Homeland Security .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I have no problem with this.
There was a reasonable likelihood of a megadeath sized pandemic.
Appropriate steps were taken to prevent it.
Some of those steps may have been unnecessary, but it didn't hurt and wasn't outrageously expensive.
The swine flue vaccination campaign in the US probably has already saved more lives than the entire Department of Homeland Security.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777478</id>
	<title>hysteria bandwagon and the reality</title>
	<author>brunokummel</author>
	<datestamp>1263561360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The hysteria bandwagon was overwhelming !  There was no chance for those with a little more than 2 neurons in their head to get panicked - in this subset you can surely include politicians. <br> <br> Just as an example<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..I live in a South America tropical country where every year hundreds of thousands of people get infected with mosquito transmited diseases which result in hundreds of deaths. Last year there was almost no mention whatsoever of these "regular" cases, since the television air time was already filled with news related to the swine flu. News like " Today a man in China passed away because of the swine flu.."</htmltext>
<tokenext>The hysteria bandwagon was overwhelming !
There was no chance for those with a little more than 2 neurons in their head to get panicked - in this subset you can surely include politicians .
Just as an example ..I live in a South America tropical country where every year hundreds of thousands of people get infected with mosquito transmited diseases which result in hundreds of deaths .
Last year there was almost no mention whatsoever of these " regular " cases , since the television air time was already filled with news related to the swine flu .
News like " Today a man in China passed away because of the swine flu.. "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The hysteria bandwagon was overwhelming !
There was no chance for those with a little more than 2 neurons in their head to get panicked - in this subset you can surely include politicians.
Just as an example ..I live in a South America tropical country where every year hundreds of thousands of people get infected with mosquito transmited diseases which result in hundreds of deaths.
Last year there was almost no mention whatsoever of these "regular" cases, since the television air time was already filled with news related to the swine flu.
News like " Today a man in China passed away because of the swine flu.."</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30779638</id>
	<title>Re:This made my day</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263574980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>All they have to do is find out which one of these companies actually released the virus in the wilds of Mexico.</p></div></blockquote><p>
If it were engineered, only one company would have made the vaccine, and it would have developed the vaccine <em>well</em> in advance of its competitors.  Problem is, all the little biotechs that developed the H1N1 vaccine did so within approximately the same timeframe.  I know, because I traded stock in two of them during the peak of the hysteria.
</p><p>
Nobody ended up with a first-mover advantage and a de facto a monopoly on the vaccine, and it's therefore clear in hindsight that nobody had a head start.  (If we start with the supposition that it <em>had</em> been engineered, we must quickly reject that assumption by <em>reductio ad absurdum</em>:  if you're so incompetent that you can't  come up with a vaccine given a 3-6 month headstart over the competition, you must also have been too incompetent to have engineered the virus in the first place.)
</p><p>
I like a good conspiracy yarn as much as anybody, but this one doesn't stand up to even the most cursory analysis.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All they have to do is find out which one of these companies actually released the virus in the wilds of Mexico .
If it were engineered , only one company would have made the vaccine , and it would have developed the vaccine well in advance of its competitors .
Problem is , all the little biotechs that developed the H1N1 vaccine did so within approximately the same timeframe .
I know , because I traded stock in two of them during the peak of the hysteria .
Nobody ended up with a first-mover advantage and a de facto a monopoly on the vaccine , and it 's therefore clear in hindsight that nobody had a head start .
( If we start with the supposition that it had been engineered , we must quickly reject that assumption by reductio ad absurdum : if you 're so incompetent that you ca n't come up with a vaccine given a 3-6 month headstart over the competition , you must also have been too incompetent to have engineered the virus in the first place .
) I like a good conspiracy yarn as much as anybody , but this one does n't stand up to even the most cursory analysis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All they have to do is find out which one of these companies actually released the virus in the wilds of Mexico.
If it were engineered, only one company would have made the vaccine, and it would have developed the vaccine well in advance of its competitors.
Problem is, all the little biotechs that developed the H1N1 vaccine did so within approximately the same timeframe.
I know, because I traded stock in two of them during the peak of the hysteria.
Nobody ended up with a first-mover advantage and a de facto a monopoly on the vaccine, and it's therefore clear in hindsight that nobody had a head start.
(If we start with the supposition that it had been engineered, we must quickly reject that assumption by reductio ad absurdum:  if you're so incompetent that you can't  come up with a vaccine given a 3-6 month headstart over the competition, you must also have been too incompetent to have engineered the virus in the first place.
)

I like a good conspiracy yarn as much as anybody, but this one doesn't stand up to even the most cursory analysis.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776086</id>
	<title>I don't know</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263587100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..who will investigate the handling of swine flu information?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..who will investigate the handling of swine flu information ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..who will investigate the handling of swine flu information?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30780598</id>
	<title>Re:Shouldn't we be happy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263579240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The 1918-1920 flu pandemic is always pointed to as an example of what could happen. However, that pandemic occured during World War I (which led to people being moved around the world more rapidly and to a greater extent than ever before) but before the advent of modern medicine (which I would argue began with the development of sulfa drugs in the 1930s).</p></div><p>I'll just note that A) the movement of people around the globe is much more rapid and thorough these days than it was back then thanks to jet airliners, and B) even if that pandemic was before the advent of modern medicine I'd put forth that the treatment of influenza hasn't really advanced much since then, antiviral drugs notwithstanding you pretty much get the flu and then have to ride it out (or not).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The 1918-1920 flu pandemic is always pointed to as an example of what could happen .
However , that pandemic occured during World War I ( which led to people being moved around the world more rapidly and to a greater extent than ever before ) but before the advent of modern medicine ( which I would argue began with the development of sulfa drugs in the 1930s ) .I 'll just note that A ) the movement of people around the globe is much more rapid and thorough these days than it was back then thanks to jet airliners , and B ) even if that pandemic was before the advent of modern medicine I 'd put forth that the treatment of influenza has n't really advanced much since then , antiviral drugs notwithstanding you pretty much get the flu and then have to ride it out ( or not ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 1918-1920 flu pandemic is always pointed to as an example of what could happen.
However, that pandemic occured during World War I (which led to people being moved around the world more rapidly and to a greater extent than ever before) but before the advent of modern medicine (which I would argue began with the development of sulfa drugs in the 1930s).I'll just note that A) the movement of people around the globe is much more rapid and thorough these days than it was back then thanks to jet airliners, and B) even if that pandemic was before the advent of modern medicine I'd put forth that the treatment of influenza hasn't really advanced much since then, antiviral drugs notwithstanding you pretty much get the flu and then have to ride it out (or not).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30775920</id>
	<title>Fear-fad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263498660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lol. I never could understand why people bought into the swine flu hysteria nonsense. If you looked at the numbers for how many people actually got sick and how many died from it, IT'S JUST THE FREAKING FLU! Jeesh. I wonder what the next fear-fad will be? I'm rooting for alien invasions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lol .
I never could understand why people bought into the swine flu hysteria nonsense .
If you looked at the numbers for how many people actually got sick and how many died from it , IT 'S JUST THE FREAKING FLU !
Jeesh. I wonder what the next fear-fad will be ?
I 'm rooting for alien invasions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lol.
I never could understand why people bought into the swine flu hysteria nonsense.
If you looked at the numbers for how many people actually got sick and how many died from it, IT'S JUST THE FREAKING FLU!
Jeesh. I wonder what the next fear-fad will be?
I'm rooting for alien invasions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777406</id>
	<title>Re:"Overestimate" WTF?</title>
	<author>devonbowen</author>
	<datestamp>1263560460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The difference is that firefighters prepare because they are absolutely sure that there will someday be a fire. Just like buildings built in earthquake zones are pretty near certain to be hit by an earthquake in their lifetime. This was a single flu season with no statistically significant evidence to indicate it would be different than any other. Now huge amounts of money has been thrown out the window on this one incident. And most of this preparation (the vaccine) is useless for the next event. That's not only a poor use of resources. But it will also dampen future efforts when the media is not crying wolf.</p><p>Devon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The difference is that firefighters prepare because they are absolutely sure that there will someday be a fire .
Just like buildings built in earthquake zones are pretty near certain to be hit by an earthquake in their lifetime .
This was a single flu season with no statistically significant evidence to indicate it would be different than any other .
Now huge amounts of money has been thrown out the window on this one incident .
And most of this preparation ( the vaccine ) is useless for the next event .
That 's not only a poor use of resources .
But it will also dampen future efforts when the media is not crying wolf.Devon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The difference is that firefighters prepare because they are absolutely sure that there will someday be a fire.
Just like buildings built in earthquake zones are pretty near certain to be hit by an earthquake in their lifetime.
This was a single flu season with no statistically significant evidence to indicate it would be different than any other.
Now huge amounts of money has been thrown out the window on this one incident.
And most of this preparation (the vaccine) is useless for the next event.
That's not only a poor use of resources.
But it will also dampen future efforts when the media is not crying wolf.Devon</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777564</id>
	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>QuantumRiff</author>
	<datestamp>1263562140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and of course, was it an over-reaction, or were we prepared?  I saw people at my workplace washing and sanitizing their hands like crazy.  Nobody coughs in their hands anymore, but in their sleeve.  Maybe, just maybe, all the fearmongering, all the news, made people change their behaviors,and the highest risk people get the  vaccine, and it stopped things.</p><p>You know, like those dumbshits that think Y2K was a joke, and nothing would have happened.  Billions were spent to make sure it didnt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and of course , was it an over-reaction , or were we prepared ?
I saw people at my workplace washing and sanitizing their hands like crazy .
Nobody coughs in their hands anymore , but in their sleeve .
Maybe , just maybe , all the fearmongering , all the news , made people change their behaviors,and the highest risk people get the vaccine , and it stopped things.You know , like those dumbshits that think Y2K was a joke , and nothing would have happened .
Billions were spent to make sure it didnt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and of course, was it an over-reaction, or were we prepared?
I saw people at my workplace washing and sanitizing their hands like crazy.
Nobody coughs in their hands anymore, but in their sleeve.
Maybe, just maybe, all the fearmongering, all the news, made people change their behaviors,and the highest risk people get the  vaccine, and it stopped things.You know, like those dumbshits that think Y2K was a joke, and nothing would have happened.
Billions were spent to make sure it didnt.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776016</id>
	<title>Re:I actually like swine flu</title>
	<author>Ethanol-fueled</author>
	<datestamp>1263586140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>When I read a rumor that mostly fat people were dying from swine flu, it gave me the motivation to lose weight.</p></div></blockquote><p>

No, its only Mexicans who were hit by it. To deprive them of their tourist dollars and punish them for contributing to America's insatiable demand for drugs. Cruise ships were diverted.<br> <br>

But as somebody who abuses Mexican drugs on a regular basis, I must say I'm laughing at all of you who were frightened into getting vaccines and actually being afraid. Pump 'n' dump -- vaccines, Windows security, iPhones, stocks, bonds, the whole fucking economy... Build hype and fail to accommodate the demand, then blame the consumers for being idiots while they try to blame their crack dealer for their own idiocy. the entity with more money wins. You're not gonna die, okay?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I read a rumor that mostly fat people were dying from swine flu , it gave me the motivation to lose weight .
No , its only Mexicans who were hit by it .
To deprive them of their tourist dollars and punish them for contributing to America 's insatiable demand for drugs .
Cruise ships were diverted .
But as somebody who abuses Mexican drugs on a regular basis , I must say I 'm laughing at all of you who were frightened into getting vaccines and actually being afraid .
Pump 'n ' dump -- vaccines , Windows security , iPhones , stocks , bonds , the whole fucking economy... Build hype and fail to accommodate the demand , then blame the consumers for being idiots while they try to blame their crack dealer for their own idiocy .
the entity with more money wins .
You 're not gon na die , okay ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I read a rumor that mostly fat people were dying from swine flu, it gave me the motivation to lose weight.
No, its only Mexicans who were hit by it.
To deprive them of their tourist dollars and punish them for contributing to America's insatiable demand for drugs.
Cruise ships were diverted.
But as somebody who abuses Mexican drugs on a regular basis, I must say I'm laughing at all of you who were frightened into getting vaccines and actually being afraid.
Pump 'n' dump -- vaccines, Windows security, iPhones, stocks, bonds, the whole fucking economy... Build hype and fail to accommodate the demand, then blame the consumers for being idiots while they try to blame their crack dealer for their own idiocy.
the entity with more money wins.
You're not gonna die, okay?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777290</id>
	<title>Huge band wagon! Room for everyone!!</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1263559260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As much as I would like to blame a single party or group of parties, I just can't.  I don't see enough direct play by any one source to justify any conclusion. (Perhaps the investigation will uncover something?)  I rather saw it from the beginning as more flu/disease hysteria.  It happens every year, but this last one was a little overboard.  I chalk it up to being a "slow news day" running amok.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As much as I would like to blame a single party or group of parties , I just ca n't .
I do n't see enough direct play by any one source to justify any conclusion .
( Perhaps the investigation will uncover something ?
) I rather saw it from the beginning as more flu/disease hysteria .
It happens every year , but this last one was a little overboard .
I chalk it up to being a " slow news day " running amok .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As much as I would like to blame a single party or group of parties, I just can't.
I don't see enough direct play by any one source to justify any conclusion.
(Perhaps the investigation will uncover something?
)  I rather saw it from the beginning as more flu/disease hysteria.
It happens every year, but this last one was a little overboard.
I chalk it up to being a "slow news day" running amok.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30775944</id>
	<title>Obligatory...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263498840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WHO's on first?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WHO 's on first ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WHO's on first?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778480</id>
	<title>Re:no shit sherlock</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1263568740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>it was always fear mongering.</i></p><p>Citation needed - otherwise you're just mongering yourself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it was always fear mongering.Citation needed - otherwise you 're just mongering yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it was always fear mongering.Citation needed - otherwise you're just mongering yourself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777220</id>
	<title>The Who</title>
	<author>NeoStrider\_BZK</author>
	<datestamp>1263558420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now, the WHO has announced that it is to investigate whether or not it bowed to pressure from drugs companies to overplay the threat." - Roger Daltrey and Pete Townshend?<br>Now seriously: the summary doesnt explain who is the WHO. That could be improved.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...I know, I know...I must be new here...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now , the WHO has announced that it is to investigate whether or not it bowed to pressure from drugs companies to overplay the threat .
" - Roger Daltrey and Pete Townshend ? Now seriously : the summary doesnt explain who is the WHO .
That could be improved .
...I know , I know...I must be new here.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now, the WHO has announced that it is to investigate whether or not it bowed to pressure from drugs companies to overplay the threat.
" - Roger Daltrey and Pete Townshend?Now seriously: the summary doesnt explain who is the WHO.
That could be improved.
...I know, I know...I must be new here...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776514</id>
	<title>Re:This made my day</title>
	<author>Anne Thwacks</author>
	<datestamp>1263549600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nor will it admit how much Peter mandleson got in back-handers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nor will it admit how much Peter mandleson got in back-handers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nor will it admit how much Peter mandleson got in back-handers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778886</id>
	<title>Re:This made my day</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1263570780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You might think its fine, but at the end of the day it was OUR money that was wasted.  Where do you think government gets its money?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You might think its fine , but at the end of the day it was OUR money that was wasted .
Where do you think government gets its money ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You might think its fine, but at the end of the day it was OUR money that was wasted.
Where do you think government gets its money?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776356</id>
	<title>Where will those vials go now?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263547740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The question now is... do they re-sell this overpriced, fairly untested product that their 1st world neighbors no longer need to buy, or will they just give it away as humanitarian aid to countries that never got a chance to get inoculated? It will eventually go bad, and looking good by giving things away is better than losing both "face" and losing their aging stock.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The question now is... do they re-sell this overpriced , fairly untested product that their 1st world neighbors no longer need to buy , or will they just give it away as humanitarian aid to countries that never got a chance to get inoculated ?
It will eventually go bad , and looking good by giving things away is better than losing both " face " and losing their aging stock .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The question now is... do they re-sell this overpriced, fairly untested product that their 1st world neighbors no longer need to buy, or will they just give it away as humanitarian aid to countries that never got a chance to get inoculated?
It will eventually go bad, and looking good by giving things away is better than losing both "face" and losing their aging stock.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776330</id>
	<title>Re:Not only UK</title>
	<author>aussie\_a</author>
	<datestamp>1263547440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Sweden bought 18 million doses, to a population of 9 million</p></div><p>How the hell did they justify this? Does Sweeden only count Sweedish citizens in that 9 million estimate? Do they see their entire population move through the country? Even so, would all of those people have needed the flu vaccine while in Sweeden? Were countries hoarding in case there was a shortage?</p><p>Seriously. How do you justify buying 2 vaccines for every single person living in your country?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sweden bought 18 million doses , to a population of 9 millionHow the hell did they justify this ?
Does Sweeden only count Sweedish citizens in that 9 million estimate ?
Do they see their entire population move through the country ?
Even so , would all of those people have needed the flu vaccine while in Sweeden ?
Were countries hoarding in case there was a shortage ? Seriously .
How do you justify buying 2 vaccines for every single person living in your country ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sweden bought 18 million doses, to a population of 9 millionHow the hell did they justify this?
Does Sweeden only count Sweedish citizens in that 9 million estimate?
Do they see their entire population move through the country?
Even so, would all of those people have needed the flu vaccine while in Sweeden?
Were countries hoarding in case there was a shortage?Seriously.
How do you justify buying 2 vaccines for every single person living in your country?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778828</id>
	<title>Re:Shouldn't we be happy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263570420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now watch, given the trend for stuff like this to have more scandal--I'm going to guess the H1N1 vaccine will be shown later on as being carcinogenic, mutagenic, and/or teratogenic.</p><p>Once lied to, everything about the lie must be suspect, and placed under the ultrafine microscope of skepticism. Yes, H1N1 was serious, some died from it. No, it did not deserve its pandemic classification, and it was obvious when the vaccine was in critically low supply but now there is an excess that something was not right with the H1N1 reporting.</p><p>Not at all surprised that an organization that might even have members holding stock of drug companies might just possibly do what they can to increase profits/boost stock prices. If that means adjusting pandemic rules, it will be done. If that means feeding a media scare fest, it will be done. Just means they qualify as yet another lobbyist organization, and are no longer considered to be a credible authority as far as I am concerned.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now watch , given the trend for stuff like this to have more scandal--I 'm going to guess the H1N1 vaccine will be shown later on as being carcinogenic , mutagenic , and/or teratogenic.Once lied to , everything about the lie must be suspect , and placed under the ultrafine microscope of skepticism .
Yes , H1N1 was serious , some died from it .
No , it did not deserve its pandemic classification , and it was obvious when the vaccine was in critically low supply but now there is an excess that something was not right with the H1N1 reporting.Not at all surprised that an organization that might even have members holding stock of drug companies might just possibly do what they can to increase profits/boost stock prices .
If that means adjusting pandemic rules , it will be done .
If that means feeding a media scare fest , it will be done .
Just means they qualify as yet another lobbyist organization , and are no longer considered to be a credible authority as far as I am concerned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now watch, given the trend for stuff like this to have more scandal--I'm going to guess the H1N1 vaccine will be shown later on as being carcinogenic, mutagenic, and/or teratogenic.Once lied to, everything about the lie must be suspect, and placed under the ultrafine microscope of skepticism.
Yes, H1N1 was serious, some died from it.
No, it did not deserve its pandemic classification, and it was obvious when the vaccine was in critically low supply but now there is an excess that something was not right with the H1N1 reporting.Not at all surprised that an organization that might even have members holding stock of drug companies might just possibly do what they can to increase profits/boost stock prices.
If that means adjusting pandemic rules, it will be done.
If that means feeding a media scare fest, it will be done.
Just means they qualify as yet another lobbyist organization, and are no longer considered to be a credible authority as far as I am concerned.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778366</id>
	<title>Re:Hello, think a little (futher)!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263568140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With this kind of reasoning you can prove anything you want.<br>There is one problem here: when the virus mutates and becomes more lethal, your vaccin most likely won't give you protection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With this kind of reasoning you can prove anything you want.There is one problem here : when the virus mutates and becomes more lethal , your vaccin most likely wo n't give you protection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With this kind of reasoning you can prove anything you want.There is one problem here: when the virus mutates and becomes more lethal, your vaccin most likely won't give you protection.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777054</id>
	<title>Re:Oh, I see</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1263556740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The vaccine rush was started in the USA, where these companies are based. The US gov't was fearmongering every other day, far more often than any announcements or data from the WTO. Don't kid yourself, this scare was purchased by big pharma.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The vaccine rush was started in the USA , where these companies are based .
The US gov't was fearmongering every other day , far more often than any announcements or data from the WTO .
Do n't kid yourself , this scare was purchased by big pharma .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The vaccine rush was started in the USA, where these companies are based.
The US gov't was fearmongering every other day, far more often than any announcements or data from the WTO.
Don't kid yourself, this scare was purchased by big pharma.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776432</id>
	<title>Y2K V2.0</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1263548640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like all the recriminations on Mon Jan 3rd - 2000.  "The world didn't end, so <i>obviously</i> we didn't need to do anything".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like all the recriminations on Mon Jan 3rd - 2000 .
" The world did n't end , so obviously we did n't need to do anything " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like all the recriminations on Mon Jan 3rd - 2000.
"The world didn't end, so obviously we didn't need to do anything".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30781018</id>
	<title>Re:Fear-fad</title>
	<author>BJ\_Covert\_Action</author>
	<datestamp>1263580980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sorry to hear it hit you all so hard. My roomate and I were diagnosed after a trip to Bakersfield. We didn't take any medication or anything (meaning no sore throat serum and what not). My roomate threw up solid for a weekend. I had to stop jogging for a week and a half because my trachea was swollen. Other than that, we did just fine. Actually, once I started jogging again my lung capacity actually get better, faster because I was still pushing myself with a partially swollen air pipe. I am not saying that the swine flu was some conspiracy, but from my experience, it really was overblown.
<br> <br>
Although I do have some advice if you care to take it. If you notice that your recovery times from diseases are long (as in six weeks), try eating an apple every day. I know that sounds cliche but it really is a huge vitamin C boost for your immune system, not to mention delicious. Seriously,  I munch apples regularly and it definitely helps you feel better quicker.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sorry to hear it hit you all so hard .
My roomate and I were diagnosed after a trip to Bakersfield .
We did n't take any medication or anything ( meaning no sore throat serum and what not ) .
My roomate threw up solid for a weekend .
I had to stop jogging for a week and a half because my trachea was swollen .
Other than that , we did just fine .
Actually , once I started jogging again my lung capacity actually get better , faster because I was still pushing myself with a partially swollen air pipe .
I am not saying that the swine flu was some conspiracy , but from my experience , it really was overblown .
Although I do have some advice if you care to take it .
If you notice that your recovery times from diseases are long ( as in six weeks ) , try eating an apple every day .
I know that sounds cliche but it really is a huge vitamin C boost for your immune system , not to mention delicious .
Seriously , I munch apples regularly and it definitely helps you feel better quicker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sorry to hear it hit you all so hard.
My roomate and I were diagnosed after a trip to Bakersfield.
We didn't take any medication or anything (meaning no sore throat serum and what not).
My roomate threw up solid for a weekend.
I had to stop jogging for a week and a half because my trachea was swollen.
Other than that, we did just fine.
Actually, once I started jogging again my lung capacity actually get better, faster because I was still pushing myself with a partially swollen air pipe.
I am not saying that the swine flu was some conspiracy, but from my experience, it really was overblown.
Although I do have some advice if you care to take it.
If you notice that your recovery times from diseases are long (as in six weeks), try eating an apple every day.
I know that sounds cliche but it really is a huge vitamin C boost for your immune system, not to mention delicious.
Seriously,  I munch apples regularly and it definitely helps you feel better quicker.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30788246</id>
	<title>Re:Shouldn't we be happy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263582840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>there will be no pandemic, it was just pharmaceutical speculation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>there will be no pandemic , it was just pharmaceutical speculation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there will be no pandemic, it was just pharmaceutical speculation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777368</id>
	<title>Re:Oh, I see</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1263560100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is it not obvious that the governments were the primary target? The people were just used to generate the usual &ldquo;loud retards&rdquo; pressure.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is it not obvious that the governments were the primary target ?
The people were just used to generate the usual    loud retards    pressure .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is it not obvious that the governments were the primary target?
The people were just used to generate the usual “loud retards” pressure.
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30779016</id>
	<title>Re:Not only UK</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263571560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Taking the vaccine twice would give better resistance than just one dose. It turned out that most people are fine with just one dose though, and they decided to only give two to children and those who really need it.</p><p>Still, with all the rumors about the vaccine it really was a bit optimistic to assume everybody would take it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Taking the vaccine twice would give better resistance than just one dose .
It turned out that most people are fine with just one dose though , and they decided to only give two to children and those who really need it.Still , with all the rumors about the vaccine it really was a bit optimistic to assume everybody would take it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Taking the vaccine twice would give better resistance than just one dose.
It turned out that most people are fine with just one dose though, and they decided to only give two to children and those who really need it.Still, with all the rumors about the vaccine it really was a bit optimistic to assume everybody would take it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30781096</id>
	<title>Re:Shifting the blame?</title>
	<author>BJ\_Covert\_Action</author>
	<datestamp>1263581280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Governments had a big incentive too - relatively recent financial crisis was still looming in the news, so it was convenient to have a "serious" topic that would shift the attention away from their f***ups.</p></div><p>
Not to sound like a tinfoil hatter, but I also noted that the news of the swine flu came, conveniently, around the time that the healthcare discussion in the US started picking up speed. What better way to make people aware of the fact that they have crappy helathcare than by getting them to a doctor for a vaccination from a world ending plague? I'm not saying it's all part of some evil plan, but the time did seem like a very convenient coincidence for healthcare advocates in my opinion.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Governments had a big incentive too - relatively recent financial crisis was still looming in the news , so it was convenient to have a " serious " topic that would shift the attention away from their f * * * ups .
Not to sound like a tinfoil hatter , but I also noted that the news of the swine flu came , conveniently , around the time that the healthcare discussion in the US started picking up speed .
What better way to make people aware of the fact that they have crappy helathcare than by getting them to a doctor for a vaccination from a world ending plague ?
I 'm not saying it 's all part of some evil plan , but the time did seem like a very convenient coincidence for healthcare advocates in my opinion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Governments had a big incentive too - relatively recent financial crisis was still looming in the news, so it was convenient to have a "serious" topic that would shift the attention away from their f***ups.
Not to sound like a tinfoil hatter, but I also noted that the news of the swine flu came, conveniently, around the time that the healthcare discussion in the US started picking up speed.
What better way to make people aware of the fact that they have crappy helathcare than by getting them to a doctor for a vaccination from a world ending plague?
I'm not saying it's all part of some evil plan, but the time did seem like a very convenient coincidence for healthcare advocates in my opinion.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776906</id>
	<title>Re:I actually like swine flu</title>
	<author>Nyder</author>
	<datestamp>1263555000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When I read a rumor that mostly fat people were dying from swine flu, it gave me the motivation to lose weight. I went from obese to normal weight in nine months. Now I feel stronger because I am not carrying around 50 pounds of ballast.</p><p>That's the only good thing that has come of the media scare about swine flu.</p></div><p>hmm, I read a rumor that only stupid people react to rumors.</p><p>I ignored it of course, but you make me think there's something to that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I read a rumor that mostly fat people were dying from swine flu , it gave me the motivation to lose weight .
I went from obese to normal weight in nine months .
Now I feel stronger because I am not carrying around 50 pounds of ballast.That 's the only good thing that has come of the media scare about swine flu.hmm , I read a rumor that only stupid people react to rumors.I ignored it of course , but you make me think there 's something to that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I read a rumor that mostly fat people were dying from swine flu, it gave me the motivation to lose weight.
I went from obese to normal weight in nine months.
Now I feel stronger because I am not carrying around 50 pounds of ballast.That's the only good thing that has come of the media scare about swine flu.hmm, I read a rumor that only stupid people react to rumors.I ignored it of course, but you make me think there's something to that.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30785844</id>
	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>DrVomact</author>
	<datestamp>1263559920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>To you. Are you a doctor? Are you a virologist? What the fuck do you know? Nothing. Do you think anybody in his right mind is going to risk the lives of hundreds of thousands of people by paying attention to you?</p><p>...</p><p>The 1918 flu caused 650,000 deaths. Nobody really knows why. We could have another epidemic like that any year. When the new flu comes up, nobody knows until it's all over whether it's going to be the big one until it's all over.</p></div><p>Ordinarily, I am courteous and tend to cut people some slack. I will, however, make an exception in your case: You don't know jackshit. Fool.</p><p>The 1918-1920 influenza pandemic killed tens of millions. That's <strong>MILLIONS</strong>. Big difference. This <a href="http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/" title="stanford.edu">reference</a> [stanford.edu] says 20 to 40 million. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918\_flu\_pandemic" title="wikipedia.org">This</a> [wikipedia.org] says 50 to 100 million. Going by the conservative estimate, that is several times the number of people that were killed in the First World War itself. Maybe you should acquire some courtesy until you succeed in your quest for omniscience.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>To you .
Are you a doctor ?
Are you a virologist ?
What the fuck do you know ?
Nothing. Do you think anybody in his right mind is going to risk the lives of hundreds of thousands of people by paying attention to you ? ...The 1918 flu caused 650,000 deaths .
Nobody really knows why .
We could have another epidemic like that any year .
When the new flu comes up , nobody knows until it 's all over whether it 's going to be the big one until it 's all over.Ordinarily , I am courteous and tend to cut people some slack .
I will , however , make an exception in your case : You do n't know jackshit .
Fool.The 1918-1920 influenza pandemic killed tens of millions .
That 's MILLIONS .
Big difference .
This reference [ stanford.edu ] says 20 to 40 million .
This [ wikipedia.org ] says 50 to 100 million .
Going by the conservative estimate , that is several times the number of people that were killed in the First World War itself .
Maybe you should acquire some courtesy until you succeed in your quest for omniscience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To you.
Are you a doctor?
Are you a virologist?
What the fuck do you know?
Nothing. Do you think anybody in his right mind is going to risk the lives of hundreds of thousands of people by paying attention to you?...The 1918 flu caused 650,000 deaths.
Nobody really knows why.
We could have another epidemic like that any year.
When the new flu comes up, nobody knows until it's all over whether it's going to be the big one until it's all over.Ordinarily, I am courteous and tend to cut people some slack.
I will, however, make an exception in your case: You don't know jackshit.
Fool.The 1918-1920 influenza pandemic killed tens of millions.
That's MILLIONS.
Big difference.
This reference [stanford.edu] says 20 to 40 million.
This [wikipedia.org] says 50 to 100 million.
Going by the conservative estimate, that is several times the number of people that were killed in the First World War itself.
Maybe you should acquire some courtesy until you succeed in your quest for omniscience.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30784760</id>
	<title>Steps to success</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263553860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Pick a disease<br>2. Call it a pandemic<br>3. Claim credit when nothing bad happens<br>4.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>5. Profit!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Pick a disease2 .
Call it a pandemic3 .
Claim credit when nothing bad happens4 .
...5. Profit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Pick a disease2.
Call it a pandemic3.
Claim credit when nothing bad happens4.
...5. Profit!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776054</id>
	<title>The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263586740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The biggest fear mongering came for news organizations, of course, since that's what they do. However right behind them was the WHO. When Swine Flu started man they went to town with panic type announcements. You read their stuff and you could see where the news organizations were getting the crap they were blowing out of proportion.</p><p>To me it seems like the WHO overreacted, people and governments bought in to it, and now they are looking for a scape goat. While I'm sure the drug companies were more than happy to sell as much vaccine as anyone wanted to buy, I've seen no evidence they were causing the panic. Seems to have stated with poor, sensationalistic stories from the WHO which were then inevitably turned in to mass doomsday stories by the media.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The biggest fear mongering came for news organizations , of course , since that 's what they do .
However right behind them was the WHO .
When Swine Flu started man they went to town with panic type announcements .
You read their stuff and you could see where the news organizations were getting the crap they were blowing out of proportion.To me it seems like the WHO overreacted , people and governments bought in to it , and now they are looking for a scape goat .
While I 'm sure the drug companies were more than happy to sell as much vaccine as anyone wanted to buy , I 've seen no evidence they were causing the panic .
Seems to have stated with poor , sensationalistic stories from the WHO which were then inevitably turned in to mass doomsday stories by the media .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The biggest fear mongering came for news organizations, of course, since that's what they do.
However right behind them was the WHO.
When Swine Flu started man they went to town with panic type announcements.
You read their stuff and you could see where the news organizations were getting the crap they were blowing out of proportion.To me it seems like the WHO overreacted, people and governments bought in to it, and now they are looking for a scape goat.
While I'm sure the drug companies were more than happy to sell as much vaccine as anyone wanted to buy, I've seen no evidence they were causing the panic.
Seems to have stated with poor, sensationalistic stories from the WHO which were then inevitably turned in to mass doomsday stories by the media.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778610</id>
	<title>Re:Hello, think a little!</title>
	<author>vxice</author>
	<datestamp>1263569400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You assume that all four possibilities are equally likely and that you have absolutely no information on the probabilities of each outcome.  Yes that is a good analysis of your outcomes at blackjack(provided you knew nothing about the game before you sat down at the table in Vegas) but information was available and ignored.  In the end a lot of hype was created, at least that is what is being asserted in this investigation, that shouldn't have existed and millions if not billions were wasted to placate people who tuned into the news channels hearing every damn anchor screaming the end is neigh Armageddon is upon us.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You assume that all four possibilities are equally likely and that you have absolutely no information on the probabilities of each outcome .
Yes that is a good analysis of your outcomes at blackjack ( provided you knew nothing about the game before you sat down at the table in Vegas ) but information was available and ignored .
In the end a lot of hype was created , at least that is what is being asserted in this investigation , that should n't have existed and millions if not billions were wasted to placate people who tuned into the news channels hearing every damn anchor screaming the end is neigh Armageddon is upon us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You assume that all four possibilities are equally likely and that you have absolutely no information on the probabilities of each outcome.
Yes that is a good analysis of your outcomes at blackjack(provided you knew nothing about the game before you sat down at the table in Vegas) but information was available and ignored.
In the end a lot of hype was created, at least that is what is being asserted in this investigation, that shouldn't have existed and millions if not billions were wasted to placate people who tuned into the news channels hearing every damn anchor screaming the end is neigh Armageddon is upon us.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776556</id>
	<title>Seems to have an eerie similarity to</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263549960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>the global warming scare.</htmltext>
<tokenext>the global warming scare .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the global warming scare.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777520</id>
	<title>Re:Not only UK</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1263561600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What if some large batch of vaccine would turn out to be "faulty" in one way or another, resulting in non-trivial number of deaths?</p><p>Your gov would take the formal blame. Because for some reason in the case of this vaccine most EU governments dissolved the pharmaceutical companies of the responsibility for their product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if some large batch of vaccine would turn out to be " faulty " in one way or another , resulting in non-trivial number of deaths ? Your gov would take the formal blame .
Because for some reason in the case of this vaccine most EU governments dissolved the pharmaceutical companies of the responsibility for their product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if some large batch of vaccine would turn out to be "faulty" in one way or another, resulting in non-trivial number of deaths?Your gov would take the formal blame.
Because for some reason in the case of this vaccine most EU governments dissolved the pharmaceutical companies of the responsibility for their product.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778948</id>
	<title>Re:This worked out OK.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263571080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had no problem with them making, paying, and providing the vaccine.  The problem I had is with the lack of actual numbers and facts; the information was all sensationalism, "Oh My, save the kids, anyone not getting this vaccine is unfit", etc, etc.  Even the information that I could get my hands on contradicted the information that was being pushed by WHO (I am in Canada and used Canadian information) so did that mean the Virus had less effect up here.  Third, and probably the reason I did not get my family innoculated was due to the government involvement with "protecting" the vaccine makers against lawsuits and the "hushing" up of side effects of the vaccine.</p><p>I like to make informed choices, my kids (3) have all had the Chicken Pox Vaccine (although at the time it was only in Canada for 1 year) because I could look up the results of the vaccine from Japan's 20 years of usage.  Where was this information for the H1N1 vaccine? I felt like this vaccine was a mass human trial rather than a useful benefit.  However, if someone wanted, or felt they needed this vaccine, would I deny it to them?  Hell No, if they want it they can have it; but I didn't like others making me feel like I was irresponsible because I choose differently, and that was the hardest part, ignoring the "peer" type pressure that was put on people to get this vaccine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had no problem with them making , paying , and providing the vaccine .
The problem I had is with the lack of actual numbers and facts ; the information was all sensationalism , " Oh My , save the kids , anyone not getting this vaccine is unfit " , etc , etc .
Even the information that I could get my hands on contradicted the information that was being pushed by WHO ( I am in Canada and used Canadian information ) so did that mean the Virus had less effect up here .
Third , and probably the reason I did not get my family innoculated was due to the government involvement with " protecting " the vaccine makers against lawsuits and the " hushing " up of side effects of the vaccine.I like to make informed choices , my kids ( 3 ) have all had the Chicken Pox Vaccine ( although at the time it was only in Canada for 1 year ) because I could look up the results of the vaccine from Japan 's 20 years of usage .
Where was this information for the H1N1 vaccine ?
I felt like this vaccine was a mass human trial rather than a useful benefit .
However , if someone wanted , or felt they needed this vaccine , would I deny it to them ?
Hell No , if they want it they can have it ; but I did n't like others making me feel like I was irresponsible because I choose differently , and that was the hardest part , ignoring the " peer " type pressure that was put on people to get this vaccine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had no problem with them making, paying, and providing the vaccine.
The problem I had is with the lack of actual numbers and facts; the information was all sensationalism, "Oh My, save the kids, anyone not getting this vaccine is unfit", etc, etc.
Even the information that I could get my hands on contradicted the information that was being pushed by WHO (I am in Canada and used Canadian information) so did that mean the Virus had less effect up here.
Third, and probably the reason I did not get my family innoculated was due to the government involvement with "protecting" the vaccine makers against lawsuits and the "hushing" up of side effects of the vaccine.I like to make informed choices, my kids (3) have all had the Chicken Pox Vaccine (although at the time it was only in Canada for 1 year) because I could look up the results of the vaccine from Japan's 20 years of usage.
Where was this information for the H1N1 vaccine?
I felt like this vaccine was a mass human trial rather than a useful benefit.
However, if someone wanted, or felt they needed this vaccine, would I deny it to them?
Hell No, if they want it they can have it; but I didn't like others making me feel like I was irresponsible because I choose differently, and that was the hardest part, ignoring the "peer" type pressure that was put on people to get this vaccine.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778466</id>
	<title>Re:Oh, I see</title>
	<author>cmarkn</author>
	<datestamp>1263568620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is your evidence that the government was &ldquo;hooked&rdquo; by sensationalism? The way it looked to me, governments were the source of the sensationalism and pushed the drug companies into enormous production.</p><p>But of course, you're stuck in your asinine belief that no government can do any wrong and all the evil in the world is produced by corporations. Pull your head out and take a look around.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is your evidence that the government was    hooked    by sensationalism ?
The way it looked to me , governments were the source of the sensationalism and pushed the drug companies into enormous production.But of course , you 're stuck in your asinine belief that no government can do any wrong and all the evil in the world is produced by corporations .
Pull your head out and take a look around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is your evidence that the government was “hooked” by sensationalism?
The way it looked to me, governments were the source of the sensationalism and pushed the drug companies into enormous production.But of course, you're stuck in your asinine belief that no government can do any wrong and all the evil in the world is produced by corporations.
Pull your head out and take a look around.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778752</id>
	<title>Re:I don't know</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263570000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know?</p><p>He's on third base.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know ? He 's on third base .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know?He's on third base.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776566</id>
	<title>"Overestimate" WTF?</title>
	<author>Arancaytar</author>
	<datestamp>1263550140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Guys, if you prepare for a disaster and it does not actually happen, that is a <strong>good thing</strong>.</p><p>Firefighters are generally not disappointed when there's no fire.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Guys , if you prepare for a disaster and it does not actually happen , that is a good thing.Firefighters are generally not disappointed when there 's no fire .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guys, if you prepare for a disaster and it does not actually happen, that is a good thing.Firefighters are generally not disappointed when there's no fire.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777084</id>
	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1263557040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The 1918 flu caused 650,000 deaths. Nobody really knows why.</p></div><p>The most likely suspect is cytokine storm, the same affect which caused most of the deaths in young people.<br> <br>To keep it short, their immune system was just too effective.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The 1918 flu caused 650,000 deaths .
Nobody really knows why.The most likely suspect is cytokine storm , the same affect which caused most of the deaths in young people .
To keep it short , their immune system was just too effective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 1918 flu caused 650,000 deaths.
Nobody really knows why.The most likely suspect is cytokine storm, the same affect which caused most of the deaths in young people.
To keep it short, their immune system was just too effective.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776644</id>
	<title>Re:Not only UK</title>
	<author>VShael</author>
	<datestamp>1263551220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because when global panic sets in, you can sell the surplus 9 million doses for double the price, and thus the net cost to inoculating your country is zero.</p><p>That's assuming 1) It really was a pandemic 2) The vaccine works</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because when global panic sets in , you can sell the surplus 9 million doses for double the price , and thus the net cost to inoculating your country is zero.That 's assuming 1 ) It really was a pandemic 2 ) The vaccine works</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because when global panic sets in, you can sell the surplus 9 million doses for double the price, and thus the net cost to inoculating your country is zero.That's assuming 1) It really was a pandemic 2) The vaccine works</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777002</id>
	<title>Re:This made my day</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1263556260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It already IS an annual event. Already forgot the avian flu vaccines and the masks? Or didn't you get that on the other side of the pond?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It already IS an annual event .
Already forgot the avian flu vaccines and the masks ?
Or did n't you get that on the other side of the pond ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It already IS an annual event.
Already forgot the avian flu vaccines and the masks?
Or didn't you get that on the other side of the pond?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30779408</id>
	<title>Re:This worked out OK.</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1263573840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's ironic that Slashdotters, who railed at managers who didn't appreciate their hard work fixing the "Y2K disaster that wasn't", are on the other side here.</p></div></blockquote><p>Pretty much predictable though, it's a chance to rail against two of Slashdot's favorite straw men - Big Corporations and Big Government.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's ironic that Slashdotters , who railed at managers who did n't appreciate their hard work fixing the " Y2K disaster that was n't " , are on the other side here.Pretty much predictable though , it 's a chance to rail against two of Slashdot 's favorite straw men - Big Corporations and Big Government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's ironic that Slashdotters, who railed at managers who didn't appreciate their hard work fixing the "Y2K disaster that wasn't", are on the other side here.Pretty much predictable though, it's a chance to rail against two of Slashdot's favorite straw men - Big Corporations and Big Government.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30781114</id>
	<title>Re:Hello, think a little!</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1263581340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Replace vaccine in your analysis with "tiger repellent rock" and H1N1 with "tigers". We should buy everyone a tiger repellent rock? After all, NOT buying tiger repellent rocks only "wins" in one out of the four cases!</p><p>Your cases are not equally likely and we had some good data to work out that H1N1 was vastly more likely NOT a big deal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Replace vaccine in your analysis with " tiger repellent rock " and H1N1 with " tigers " .
We should buy everyone a tiger repellent rock ?
After all , NOT buying tiger repellent rocks only " wins " in one out of the four cases ! Your cases are not equally likely and we had some good data to work out that H1N1 was vastly more likely NOT a big deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Replace vaccine in your analysis with "tiger repellent rock" and H1N1 with "tigers".
We should buy everyone a tiger repellent rock?
After all, NOT buying tiger repellent rocks only "wins" in one out of the four cases!Your cases are not equally likely and we had some good data to work out that H1N1 was vastly more likely NOT a big deal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778290</id>
	<title>Re:That's cool!</title>
	<author>ari\_j</author>
	<datestamp>1263567600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I always read WHO headlines as referring to the band.  The swine flu fear-demic was much more bearable when all the inane warnings were delivered to the tune of Won't Get Fooled Again.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I always read WHO headlines as referring to the band .
The swine flu fear-demic was much more bearable when all the inane warnings were delivered to the tune of Wo n't Get Fooled Again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always read WHO headlines as referring to the band.
The swine flu fear-demic was much more bearable when all the inane warnings were delivered to the tune of Won't Get Fooled Again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776414</id>
	<title>WHO...</title>
	<author>jplopez</author>
	<datestamp>1263548400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>WHO to investigate WHAT!?</htmltext>
<tokenext>WHO to investigate WHAT !
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WHO to investigate WHAT!
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776470</id>
	<title>Re:Not only UK</title>
	<author>Bekro</author>
	<datestamp>1263549060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The second one's a booster shot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The second one 's a booster shot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The second one's a booster shot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30775968</id>
	<title>I actually like swine flu</title>
	<author>Xenkar</author>
	<datestamp>1263499140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I read a rumor that mostly fat people were dying from swine flu, it gave me the motivation to lose weight. I went from obese to normal weight in nine months. Now I feel stronger because I am not carrying around 50 pounds of ballast.</p><p>That's the only good thing that has come of the media scare about swine flu.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I read a rumor that mostly fat people were dying from swine flu , it gave me the motivation to lose weight .
I went from obese to normal weight in nine months .
Now I feel stronger because I am not carrying around 50 pounds of ballast.That 's the only good thing that has come of the media scare about swine flu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I read a rumor that mostly fat people were dying from swine flu, it gave me the motivation to lose weight.
I went from obese to normal weight in nine months.
Now I feel stronger because I am not carrying around 50 pounds of ballast.That's the only good thing that has come of the media scare about swine flu.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777498</id>
	<title>Poorer and less prepared countries?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263561480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They could always send some of the vaccine to poorer and less prepared countries that might need it more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They could always send some of the vaccine to poorer and less prepared countries that might need it more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They could always send some of the vaccine to poorer and less prepared countries that might need it more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777402</id>
	<title>Re:I actually like swine flu</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1263560460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good luck going back to 150\% your previous weight in about... 3 weeks!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>Ok, on a more serious note: Congratulations!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<br>But I really hope you know, that for it to last, your diet change has to last just as long.<br>So no &ldquo;I eat different until I&rsquo;m thin, and then I start eating &lsquo;normal&rsquo; again&rdquo;.<br>But I guess this is obvious for everyone who does not read those &ldquo;lifestyle magazines&rdquo; with their never-working &ldquo;diets&rdquo;.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<br>Also consider, that the biggest cause for overweight, is not the lack of knowledge of how to eat right, but that food is used like a drug: As a replacement for other mental problems. (Like stress at work.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good luck going back to 150 \ % your previous weight in about... 3 weeks !
; ) Ok , on a more serious note : Congratulations !
: ) But I really hope you know , that for it to last , your diet change has to last just as long.So no    I eat different until I    m thin , and then I start eating    normal    again    .But I guess this is obvious for everyone who does not read those    lifestyle magazines    with their never-working    diets    .
: ) Also consider , that the biggest cause for overweight , is not the lack of knowledge of how to eat right , but that food is used like a drug : As a replacement for other mental problems .
( Like stress at work .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good luck going back to 150\% your previous weight in about... 3 weeks!
;)Ok, on a more serious note: Congratulations!
:)But I really hope you know, that for it to last, your diet change has to last just as long.So no “I eat different until I’m thin, and then I start eating ‘normal’ again”.But I guess this is obvious for everyone who does not read those “lifestyle magazines” with their never-working “diets”.
:)Also consider, that the biggest cause for overweight, is not the lack of knowledge of how to eat right, but that food is used like a drug: As a replacement for other mental problems.
(Like stress at work.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30780590</id>
	<title>Re:why are people calling this fearmongering?</title>
	<author>frank249</author>
	<datestamp>1263579240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>fearmongering is when you pretty much know something is not a big deal, but you hype it up anyways. but we're talking about a brand new disease here. no one knows what it could have done. no one could say that there was overreacting or underreacting going on, because no one knew what swine flu had in store for us. </i> <p>

Well actually the disease was identified in April and spread throughout the southern hemisphere which were just starting their flu seasons.  It's low mortality rate was know well before the US and Canada for example declared a health emmergency.  So yes they knew it was not going to be a big deal but yet we were told there were going to be bodies stacked in the streets just like 1918 all over again.  Even though they knew it was not going to be a serious killer<b> and even though they knew the vaccines would arrive too late</b> they proceeded to order enough vaccine for the whole population.  In Canada, the vaccinations started on 26 Oct which was just before they announced on 31 Oct that infections had started to decline.  Note it takes 8 - 20 days for the vaccine to take effect and provide protection.  $2 billion wasted and now hospitals have to close beds and reduce programs due to budget shortfalls.  I am sure that that money could have saved more lives had it been spend on the general health budget.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>fearmongering is when you pretty much know something is not a big deal , but you hype it up anyways .
but we 're talking about a brand new disease here .
no one knows what it could have done .
no one could say that there was overreacting or underreacting going on , because no one knew what swine flu had in store for us .
Well actually the disease was identified in April and spread throughout the southern hemisphere which were just starting their flu seasons .
It 's low mortality rate was know well before the US and Canada for example declared a health emmergency .
So yes they knew it was not going to be a big deal but yet we were told there were going to be bodies stacked in the streets just like 1918 all over again .
Even though they knew it was not going to be a serious killer and even though they knew the vaccines would arrive too late they proceeded to order enough vaccine for the whole population .
In Canada , the vaccinations started on 26 Oct which was just before they announced on 31 Oct that infections had started to decline .
Note it takes 8 - 20 days for the vaccine to take effect and provide protection .
$ 2 billion wasted and now hospitals have to close beds and reduce programs due to budget shortfalls .
I am sure that that money could have saved more lives had it been spend on the general health budget .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>fearmongering is when you pretty much know something is not a big deal, but you hype it up anyways.
but we're talking about a brand new disease here.
no one knows what it could have done.
no one could say that there was overreacting or underreacting going on, because no one knew what swine flu had in store for us.
Well actually the disease was identified in April and spread throughout the southern hemisphere which were just starting their flu seasons.
It's low mortality rate was know well before the US and Canada for example declared a health emmergency.
So yes they knew it was not going to be a big deal but yet we were told there were going to be bodies stacked in the streets just like 1918 all over again.
Even though they knew it was not going to be a serious killer and even though they knew the vaccines would arrive too late they proceeded to order enough vaccine for the whole population.
In Canada, the vaccinations started on 26 Oct which was just before they announced on 31 Oct that infections had started to decline.
Note it takes 8 - 20 days for the vaccine to take effect and provide protection.
$2 billion wasted and now hospitals have to close beds and reduce programs due to budget shortfalls.
I am sure that that money could have saved more lives had it been spend on the general health budget.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776716</id>
	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>John Betonschaar</author>
	<datestamp>1263552240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Plenty of doctor's and virologists acknowledged pretty quickly that the virus wasn't all that deadly, that vaccinating everyone wasn't really helpful or required and that the chances of the virus becoming something extremely lethal we're very small, and if it would have happened, we wouldn't have an answer to it anyway. Somehow these virologists weren't the ones dragged onto TV every night, writing apocalyptic newspaper articles and advising the government to buy all those vaccins. The virologists and doctors doubting the whole situation were mostly served-off as tinfoil conspiracy believers.</p><p>Also, most of your arguments are dogmatic and besides the point. The WTC attacks have nothing to do with a global pandemic, and they're incomparable. 3000 people on a scale of 6 billion in fact doesn't mean shit. Right now 100s of thousands of people are possibly dead in Haiti, and every year millions of people die from diseases nobody in the western world dies from anymore, such as cholera or dysentry. Neither of these facts are relevant to the H1N1 situation, just like your own arguments. Just picking and choosing random factos to support your position.</p><p>Last but not least what happened with the 1918 flu is most likely incomparable to what would happen when a really deadly flu virus came along right now, sanitation, health care and knowledge about viruses and how they spread haven't stood still the last 100 years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Plenty of doctor 's and virologists acknowledged pretty quickly that the virus was n't all that deadly , that vaccinating everyone was n't really helpful or required and that the chances of the virus becoming something extremely lethal we 're very small , and if it would have happened , we would n't have an answer to it anyway .
Somehow these virologists were n't the ones dragged onto TV every night , writing apocalyptic newspaper articles and advising the government to buy all those vaccins .
The virologists and doctors doubting the whole situation were mostly served-off as tinfoil conspiracy believers.Also , most of your arguments are dogmatic and besides the point .
The WTC attacks have nothing to do with a global pandemic , and they 're incomparable .
3000 people on a scale of 6 billion in fact does n't mean shit .
Right now 100s of thousands of people are possibly dead in Haiti , and every year millions of people die from diseases nobody in the western world dies from anymore , such as cholera or dysentry .
Neither of these facts are relevant to the H1N1 situation , just like your own arguments .
Just picking and choosing random factos to support your position.Last but not least what happened with the 1918 flu is most likely incomparable to what would happen when a really deadly flu virus came along right now , sanitation , health care and knowledge about viruses and how they spread have n't stood still the last 100 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plenty of doctor's and virologists acknowledged pretty quickly that the virus wasn't all that deadly, that vaccinating everyone wasn't really helpful or required and that the chances of the virus becoming something extremely lethal we're very small, and if it would have happened, we wouldn't have an answer to it anyway.
Somehow these virologists weren't the ones dragged onto TV every night, writing apocalyptic newspaper articles and advising the government to buy all those vaccins.
The virologists and doctors doubting the whole situation were mostly served-off as tinfoil conspiracy believers.Also, most of your arguments are dogmatic and besides the point.
The WTC attacks have nothing to do with a global pandemic, and they're incomparable.
3000 people on a scale of 6 billion in fact doesn't mean shit.
Right now 100s of thousands of people are possibly dead in Haiti, and every year millions of people die from diseases nobody in the western world dies from anymore, such as cholera or dysentry.
Neither of these facts are relevant to the H1N1 situation, just like your own arguments.
Just picking and choosing random factos to support your position.Last but not least what happened with the 1918 flu is most likely incomparable to what would happen when a really deadly flu virus came along right now, sanitation, health care and knowledge about viruses and how they spread haven't stood still the last 100 years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30775940</id>
	<title>no shit sherlock</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263498840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>it was always fear mongering. and the government shouldn't get to pass the buck either - they made the call to make the order, i'm sure they could have gotten independant advice.</htmltext>
<tokenext>it was always fear mongering .
and the government should n't get to pass the buck either - they made the call to make the order , i 'm sure they could have gotten independant advice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it was always fear mongering.
and the government shouldn't get to pass the buck either - they made the call to make the order, i'm sure they could have gotten independant advice.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777996</id>
	<title>1000 vaccines</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263565740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If there were 1000 ( or 1,000,000) vaccines for reasonably deadly things, would youget them all?<br>What if I promised you'd live forever , if you just lined up everyday at 8am, and got shots until 8pm?<br>Shots all day everyday, forever....but nothing else. Great life, huh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If there were 1000 ( or 1,000,000 ) vaccines for reasonably deadly things , would youget them all ? What if I promised you 'd live forever , if you just lined up everyday at 8am , and got shots until 8pm ? Shots all day everyday , forever....but nothing else .
Great life , huh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there were 1000 ( or 1,000,000) vaccines for reasonably deadly things, would youget them all?What if I promised you'd live forever , if you just lined up everyday at 8am, and got shots until 8pm?Shots all day everyday, forever....but nothing else.
Great life, huh?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30785140</id>
	<title>Re:This made my day</title>
	<author>klui</author>
	<datestamp>1263555780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=baxter+avian+flu+live+vaccine&amp;btnG=Search+Archives&amp;ned=us&amp;hl=en&amp;scoring=a" title="google.com">http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=baxter+avian+flu+live+vaccine&amp;btnG=Search+Archives&amp;ned=us&amp;hl=en&amp;scoring=a</a> [google.com];
<a href="http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=baxter+avian+flu+live+vaccine&amp;scoring=a&amp;hl=en&amp;ned=us&amp;sa=N&amp;cid=4418112598317105" title="google.com">http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=baxter+avian+flu+live+vaccine&amp;scoring=a&amp;hl=en&amp;ned=us&amp;sa=N&amp;cid=4418112598317105</a> [google.com] <p>If Baxter did not intentionally do this, they are incompetent and should not even be dealing with manufacturing vaccines. I will remind myself to never take nor endorse a Baxter product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //news.google.com/archivesearch ? q = baxter + avian + flu + live + vaccine&amp;btnG = Search + Archives&amp;ned = us&amp;hl = en&amp;scoring = a [ google.com ] ; http : //news.google.com/archivesearch ? q = baxter + avian + flu + live + vaccine&amp;scoring = a&amp;hl = en&amp;ned = us&amp;sa = N&amp;cid = 4418112598317105 [ google.com ] If Baxter did not intentionally do this , they are incompetent and should not even be dealing with manufacturing vaccines .
I will remind myself to never take nor endorse a Baxter product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=baxter+avian+flu+live+vaccine&amp;btnG=Search+Archives&amp;ned=us&amp;hl=en&amp;scoring=a [google.com];
http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=baxter+avian+flu+live+vaccine&amp;scoring=a&amp;hl=en&amp;ned=us&amp;sa=N&amp;cid=4418112598317105 [google.com] If Baxter did not intentionally do this, they are incompetent and should not even be dealing with manufacturing vaccines.
I will remind myself to never take nor endorse a Baxter product.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776864</id>
	<title>Re:no shit sherlock</title>
	<author>societyofrobots</author>
	<datestamp>1263553980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SARS, mad cow disease, bird flu, swine flu, the list of fear mongering disease history keeps going . . .</p><p>The media is crying wolf for non-serious diseases, and we'll all pay for it when something serious comes along.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SARS , mad cow disease , bird flu , swine flu , the list of fear mongering disease history keeps going .
. .The media is crying wolf for non-serious diseases , and we 'll all pay for it when something serious comes along .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SARS, mad cow disease, bird flu, swine flu, the list of fear mongering disease history keeps going .
. .The media is crying wolf for non-serious diseases, and we'll all pay for it when something serious comes along.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30785576</id>
	<title>Re:Fear-fad</title>
	<author>DrVomact</author>
	<datestamp>1263558180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Lol. I never could understand why people bought into the swine flu hysteria nonsense. If you looked at the numbers for how many people actually got sick and how many died from it, IT'S JUST THE FREAKING FLU! Jeesh. I wonder what the next fear-fad will be? I'm rooting for alien invasions.</p></div><p>There's flu, and then there's <em>flu</em>. You ever had a <em>bad</em> case of flu? I got it in '69. It lasted weeks. I was incapacitated to the point that I couldn't take care of myself in basic ways. I probably could have died of dehydration, as there was nobody to take care of me (my gf had it just as bad). I spent a lot of time in delirium, too crazy to get up and get myself some water. I get my flu shots regularly.</p><p>
That being said, I didn't buy into the "H1N1 is <strong>DOOM</strong>", either. When it turned out that there was no vaccine around, I shrugged and figured I'd just have to take my chances. People aren't wusses for getting vaccines&mdash;just for hyperventilating every time there's a crisis on the horizon. Did you think you were going to live forever?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lol .
I never could understand why people bought into the swine flu hysteria nonsense .
If you looked at the numbers for how many people actually got sick and how many died from it , IT 'S JUST THE FREAKING FLU !
Jeesh. I wonder what the next fear-fad will be ?
I 'm rooting for alien invasions.There 's flu , and then there 's flu .
You ever had a bad case of flu ?
I got it in '69 .
It lasted weeks .
I was incapacitated to the point that I could n't take care of myself in basic ways .
I probably could have died of dehydration , as there was nobody to take care of me ( my gf had it just as bad ) .
I spent a lot of time in delirium , too crazy to get up and get myself some water .
I get my flu shots regularly .
That being said , I did n't buy into the " H1N1 is DOOM " , either .
When it turned out that there was no vaccine around , I shrugged and figured I 'd just have to take my chances .
People are n't wusses for getting vaccines    just for hyperventilating every time there 's a crisis on the horizon .
Did you think you were going to live forever ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lol.
I never could understand why people bought into the swine flu hysteria nonsense.
If you looked at the numbers for how many people actually got sick and how many died from it, IT'S JUST THE FREAKING FLU!
Jeesh. I wonder what the next fear-fad will be?
I'm rooting for alien invasions.There's flu, and then there's flu.
You ever had a bad case of flu?
I got it in '69.
It lasted weeks.
I was incapacitated to the point that I couldn't take care of myself in basic ways.
I probably could have died of dehydration, as there was nobody to take care of me (my gf had it just as bad).
I spent a lot of time in delirium, too crazy to get up and get myself some water.
I get my flu shots regularly.
That being said, I didn't buy into the "H1N1 is DOOM", either.
When it turned out that there was no vaccine around, I shrugged and figured I'd just have to take my chances.
People aren't wusses for getting vaccines—just for hyperventilating every time there's a crisis on the horizon.
Did you think you were going to live forever?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778916</id>
	<title>Re:Not only UK</title>
	<author>tomtomtom</author>
	<datestamp>1263570900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It was <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32784700/" title="msn.com">initially thought</a> [msn.com] that the vaccination would require 2 doses per individual to have a strong enough effect. Once more testing was done and the vaccine was fully developed, it became clear that 1 dose per individual was sufficient.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It was initially thought [ msn.com ] that the vaccination would require 2 doses per individual to have a strong enough effect .
Once more testing was done and the vaccine was fully developed , it became clear that 1 dose per individual was sufficient .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was initially thought [msn.com] that the vaccination would require 2 doses per individual to have a strong enough effect.
Once more testing was done and the vaccine was fully developed, it became clear that 1 dose per individual was sufficient.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776262</id>
	<title>More bad statistics</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263546420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>100\% of people who caught the Swine Flu and post on Slashdot now did not die from it.  Obviously it is nothing to fear.</htmltext>
<tokenext>100 \ % of people who caught the Swine Flu and post on Slashdot now did not die from it .
Obviously it is nothing to fear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>100\% of people who caught the Swine Flu and post on Slashdot now did not die from it.
Obviously it is nothing to fear.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778352</id>
	<title>Re:This worked out OK.</title>
	<author>beatsme</author>
	<datestamp>1263567960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's also ironic that you're stereotyping an entire demographic (Slashdot) based on the comments expressed by a vast minority.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's also ironic that you 're stereotyping an entire demographic ( Slashdot ) based on the comments expressed by a vast minority .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's also ironic that you're stereotyping an entire demographic (Slashdot) based on the comments expressed by a vast minority.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776122</id>
	<title>Re:This made my day</title>
	<author>Anachragnome</author>
	<datestamp>1263587520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Now that this information is becoming public this will become an annual event because government can never admit it was wrong."</p><p>They don't have to admit they are wrong. All they have to do is find out which one of these companies actually released the virus in the wilds of Mexico.</p><p>It is against the law to profit from your crimes in this country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Now that this information is becoming public this will become an annual event because government can never admit it was wrong .
" They do n't have to admit they are wrong .
All they have to do is find out which one of these companies actually released the virus in the wilds of Mexico.It is against the law to profit from your crimes in this country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Now that this information is becoming public this will become an annual event because government can never admit it was wrong.
"They don't have to admit they are wrong.
All they have to do is find out which one of these companies actually released the virus in the wilds of Mexico.It is against the law to profit from your crimes in this country.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777536</id>
	<title>Re:Not only UK</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263561780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>took the shoot yesterday. I'm feeling strange. My belly went crazy, had to take a dump in a park on my way home. It's f***ing rat poison. But hey, I wont get piggyflu!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>took the shoot yesterday .
I 'm feeling strange .
My belly went crazy , had to take a dump in a park on my way home .
It 's f * * * ing rat poison .
But hey , I wont get piggyflu !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>took the shoot yesterday.
I'm feeling strange.
My belly went crazy, had to take a dump in a park on my way home.
It's f***ing rat poison.
But hey, I wont get piggyflu!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30780384</id>
	<title>Re:This worked out OK.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263578460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>From the numbers and trends before availability of the vaccines, this was looking to be a major health issue. *Healthy* *young* people were dying and H1N1 was active during normally dormant periods.</i></p><p>Keep in mind that in many if not all of these cases, while it wasn't as shoved in your face by the media as their death was, it was found that these apparently healthy young people DID have underlying health problems that they just didn't know about. Things found in their autopsies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the numbers and trends before availability of the vaccines , this was looking to be a major health issue .
* Healthy * * young * people were dying and H1N1 was active during normally dormant periods.Keep in mind that in many if not all of these cases , while it was n't as shoved in your face by the media as their death was , it was found that these apparently healthy young people DID have underlying health problems that they just did n't know about .
Things found in their autopsies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the numbers and trends before availability of the vaccines, this was looking to be a major health issue.
*Healthy* *young* people were dying and H1N1 was active during normally dormant periods.Keep in mind that in many if not all of these cases, while it wasn't as shoved in your face by the media as their death was, it was found that these apparently healthy young people DID have underlying health problems that they just didn't know about.
Things found in their autopsies.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30795882</id>
	<title>Re:Oh, I see</title>
	<author>c6gunner</author>
	<datestamp>1263661020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That would be the same Big Pharma that couldn't keep up with the demand?  Yes, there's a good plan.  "Hey, let's get people to buy our product, and then make sure we don't have enough of it!  Oh, and let's charge so little for it that we barely cover the legal fees to defend ourselves from idiots and conspiracy theorists!".</p><p>Yep, that makes perfect sense.</p><p>FYI the entire GLOBAL market for ALL vaccines generates about <a href="http://www.themedica.com/articles/2009/03/vaccine-industry-overview-and.html" title="themedica.com">$20 Billion</a> [themedica.com], while $34 Billion is spent annually <b>in the US alone</b> on <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32219873/" title="msn.com">"Alternative Medicine"</a> [msn.com] (aka. "shit-that-does-nothing-except-make-the-seller-richer").  But "Big Altmed" doesn't sound nearly as ominous, so I guess they get a free pass.  It's much more fun to target the people who are actually trying to do some good in this world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That would be the same Big Pharma that could n't keep up with the demand ?
Yes , there 's a good plan .
" Hey , let 's get people to buy our product , and then make sure we do n't have enough of it !
Oh , and let 's charge so little for it that we barely cover the legal fees to defend ourselves from idiots and conspiracy theorists !
" .Yep , that makes perfect sense.FYI the entire GLOBAL market for ALL vaccines generates about $ 20 Billion [ themedica.com ] , while $ 34 Billion is spent annually in the US alone on " Alternative Medicine " [ msn.com ] ( aka .
" shit-that-does-nothing-except-make-the-seller-richer " ) . But " Big Altmed " does n't sound nearly as ominous , so I guess they get a free pass .
It 's much more fun to target the people who are actually trying to do some good in this world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would be the same Big Pharma that couldn't keep up with the demand?
Yes, there's a good plan.
"Hey, let's get people to buy our product, and then make sure we don't have enough of it!
Oh, and let's charge so little for it that we barely cover the legal fees to defend ourselves from idiots and conspiracy theorists!
".Yep, that makes perfect sense.FYI the entire GLOBAL market for ALL vaccines generates about $20 Billion [themedica.com], while $34 Billion is spent annually in the US alone on "Alternative Medicine" [msn.com] (aka.
"shit-that-does-nothing-except-make-the-seller-richer").  But "Big Altmed" doesn't sound nearly as ominous, so I guess they get a free pass.
It's much more fun to target the people who are actually trying to do some good in this world.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30775896</id>
	<title>That's cool!</title>
	<author>RobertM1968</author>
	<datestamp>1263498420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know, I really love Iron Maiden... but I guess the WHO gets my vote now... I didnt know they were that active in saving the world!!!

</p><p>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , I really love Iron Maiden... but I guess the WHO gets my vote now... I didnt know they were that active in saving the world ! ! !
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, I really love Iron Maiden... but I guess the WHO gets my vote now... I didnt know they were that active in saving the world!!!
;-)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778204</id>
	<title>Stop thinking, start investigating..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263567060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's more like:<br>May - WHO changed definition of "Pandemic" to cover all kinds of contagious diseases, as long as they spread globally. Of course "flu" now becomes a "pandemic".<br>Come a few months - Outbreak of H1N1 in Mexico.<br>Come a few months - H1N1 declared Pandemic.<br>Come a few months - Vaccine in ready. WHO countries are bound to buy them because of "pandemic" status.<br>Come a few months - Medical companies tells WHO to buy double doses, WHO complies without question.<br>2009 = record year for those medical companies<br>2010 = scandals as many on WHO-board are paid by the same medical companies, the large scam is rolled out to the public</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's more like : May - WHO changed definition of " Pandemic " to cover all kinds of contagious diseases , as long as they spread globally .
Of course " flu " now becomes a " pandemic " .Come a few months - Outbreak of H1N1 in Mexico.Come a few months - H1N1 declared Pandemic.Come a few months - Vaccine in ready .
WHO countries are bound to buy them because of " pandemic " status.Come a few months - Medical companies tells WHO to buy double doses , WHO complies without question.2009 = record year for those medical companies2010 = scandals as many on WHO-board are paid by the same medical companies , the large scam is rolled out to the public</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's more like:May - WHO changed definition of "Pandemic" to cover all kinds of contagious diseases, as long as they spread globally.
Of course "flu" now becomes a "pandemic".Come a few months - Outbreak of H1N1 in Mexico.Come a few months - H1N1 declared Pandemic.Come a few months - Vaccine in ready.
WHO countries are bound to buy them because of "pandemic" status.Come a few months - Medical companies tells WHO to buy double doses, WHO complies without question.2009 = record year for those medical companies2010 = scandals as many on WHO-board are paid by the same medical companies, the large scam is rolled out to the public</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777456</id>
	<title>Nothing wrong in preparing for the worst case</title>
	<author>physburn</author>
	<datestamp>1263561120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>  So the paper are now complaining that tax payers where ripped off because
governments brought enough vacine/anti-virials for the worst case. But thats
exactly what government should do, and of course the public wants to be
safe from what could have been a world wide pandemic. The money isn't
entirely wasted, the medinces where general to many flu types, and for
as long as the stock pile stays in could condition we'll be safe from
newer pandemics. The best viriogist, the WHO and made there prediction,
and for once we where prepared. We where lucky the flu wasn't more
virilant, and we also showed that we could prepare for a pandemic given
six to nine months warning.
<p>
---
</p><p>
<a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/blogs/The\%20Flu/feed.html" title="feeddistiller.com">The Flu</a> [feeddistiller.com] Feed @ <a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/" title="feeddistiller.com">Feed Distiller</a> [feeddistiller.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So the paper are now complaining that tax payers where ripped off because governments brought enough vacine/anti-virials for the worst case .
But thats exactly what government should do , and of course the public wants to be safe from what could have been a world wide pandemic .
The money is n't entirely wasted , the medinces where general to many flu types , and for as long as the stock pile stays in could condition we 'll be safe from newer pandemics .
The best viriogist , the WHO and made there prediction , and for once we where prepared .
We where lucky the flu was n't more virilant , and we also showed that we could prepare for a pandemic given six to nine months warning .
--- The Flu [ feeddistiller.com ] Feed @ Feed Distiller [ feeddistiller.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  So the paper are now complaining that tax payers where ripped off because
governments brought enough vacine/anti-virials for the worst case.
But thats
exactly what government should do, and of course the public wants to be
safe from what could have been a world wide pandemic.
The money isn't
entirely wasted, the medinces where general to many flu types, and for
as long as the stock pile stays in could condition we'll be safe from
newer pandemics.
The best viriogist, the WHO and made there prediction,
and for once we where prepared.
We where lucky the flu wasn't more
virilant, and we also showed that we could prepare for a pandemic given
six to nine months warning.
---

The Flu [feeddistiller.com] Feed @ Feed Distiller [feeddistiller.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776452</id>
	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263548940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The WHO is a dreadfully pathetic organisation - they sit there watching whole countries go to pot without lifting a finger then when a bout of flu comes along they start foaming at the mouth and ranting that it will destroy the world... despite early indications that the virus was no where near as fatal as it might have been. Posting this AC for good reason - I have experience of just how ineffective, biased and nepotistic this organisation is. If the journos who contributed to the mass hysteria want retribution then they could spend some time looking deep into the workings of the WHO...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The WHO is a dreadfully pathetic organisation - they sit there watching whole countries go to pot without lifting a finger then when a bout of flu comes along they start foaming at the mouth and ranting that it will destroy the world... despite early indications that the virus was no where near as fatal as it might have been .
Posting this AC for good reason - I have experience of just how ineffective , biased and nepotistic this organisation is .
If the journos who contributed to the mass hysteria want retribution then they could spend some time looking deep into the workings of the WHO.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The WHO is a dreadfully pathetic organisation - they sit there watching whole countries go to pot without lifting a finger then when a bout of flu comes along they start foaming at the mouth and ranting that it will destroy the world... despite early indications that the virus was no where near as fatal as it might have been.
Posting this AC for good reason - I have experience of just how ineffective, biased and nepotistic this organisation is.
If the journos who contributed to the mass hysteria want retribution then they could spend some time looking deep into the workings of the WHO...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777854</id>
	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>MrMickS</author>
	<datestamp>1263564960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Because of pressure from pharma lobbies, and the leverage that the WHO has provided by declaring a pandemic, I am certain that the risks were not weighted and assessed objectively, and that precious health funds were squandered in a way that only benefited to the pharma industry.</p></div><p>My understanding is that all that a pandemic states is that the distribution is widespread. In effect that it is spread throughout the world. I think that a lack of understanding, or deliberate overstating, of the meaning of the term played an effect in the public hysteria around swine flu. People hear epidemic and think 'that means things are bad'. Then they hear pandemic and think that its worse. Its here were the media can take some of the blame. They are more concerned with being first, and on presentation, to worry about providing clear and concise explanations.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because of pressure from pharma lobbies , and the leverage that the WHO has provided by declaring a pandemic , I am certain that the risks were not weighted and assessed objectively , and that precious health funds were squandered in a way that only benefited to the pharma industry.My understanding is that all that a pandemic states is that the distribution is widespread .
In effect that it is spread throughout the world .
I think that a lack of understanding , or deliberate overstating , of the meaning of the term played an effect in the public hysteria around swine flu .
People hear epidemic and think 'that means things are bad' .
Then they hear pandemic and think that its worse .
Its here were the media can take some of the blame .
They are more concerned with being first , and on presentation , to worry about providing clear and concise explanations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because of pressure from pharma lobbies, and the leverage that the WHO has provided by declaring a pandemic, I am certain that the risks were not weighted and assessed objectively, and that precious health funds were squandered in a way that only benefited to the pharma industry.My understanding is that all that a pandemic states is that the distribution is widespread.
In effect that it is spread throughout the world.
I think that a lack of understanding, or deliberate overstating, of the meaning of the term played an effect in the public hysteria around swine flu.
People hear epidemic and think 'that means things are bad'.
Then they hear pandemic and think that its worse.
Its here were the media can take some of the blame.
They are more concerned with being first, and on presentation, to worry about providing clear and concise explanations.
	</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>ivec</author>
	<datestamp>1263556800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am a doctor, and like many in the medical field, I am fed-up with all the BS related to the swine flu.</p><p>Every time that news agencies (Reuters, AFP, etc) publish headlines saying "12500 deaths from the Swine flu" but omit to state in the article that the "classic" seasonal flu kills hundreds of thousands worldwide every year, this is inappropriately biased.  I think we can call this fear-mongering.</p><p>Ok, the H1N1 strain might be a bit more aggressive.  But the vaccine itself has also been more aggressive, and normal safety checks and clinical studies were bypassed; the vaccine injections themselves have caused hospitalizations and casualties.  And many have been put under pressure to get vaccinated, even if we did not want to ("you don't get vaccinated for yourself, you get vaccinated to protect those around you...").  I am fortunate that I have been able to resist.<br>So the "pandemic" might have been worse, but the negative side effects of the vaccine itself might have been much more dramatic as well.</p><p>Another core issue is that we must manage risk objectively, and focus our resources (which are always limited) in the areas where are going to provide the best return, to the best of our knowledge at that point.<br>We have squandered billions of dollars on flu shots, benefiting the pharma industry, with a probably dubious and <b>very short-term benefit</b> to the people.  With their powers, and leveraging WHO announcements, big pharma corporations have pulled all these funds towards them, benefiting only themselves and their shareholders.<br>Some flood-resistant levies and earthquake-resistant buildings are still waiting to be built.  New sports facilities, more gym hours in school, promotion of healthy lifestyles, are all things which may have been better investments, providing better returns for the money.</p><p>Governments and health authorities must objectively assess which investment is likely to be the most beneficial to their community.<br>Because of pressure from pharma lobbies, and the leverage that the WHO has provided by declaring a pandemic, I am certain that the risks were not weighted and assessed objectively, and that precious health funds were squandered in a way that only benefited to the pharma industry.</p><p>This is not only a "hindsight is 20/20" kind of thing, but a real societal problem.<br>
&nbsp; -Ivan</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a doctor , and like many in the medical field , I am fed-up with all the BS related to the swine flu.Every time that news agencies ( Reuters , AFP , etc ) publish headlines saying " 12500 deaths from the Swine flu " but omit to state in the article that the " classic " seasonal flu kills hundreds of thousands worldwide every year , this is inappropriately biased .
I think we can call this fear-mongering.Ok , the H1N1 strain might be a bit more aggressive .
But the vaccine itself has also been more aggressive , and normal safety checks and clinical studies were bypassed ; the vaccine injections themselves have caused hospitalizations and casualties .
And many have been put under pressure to get vaccinated , even if we did not want to ( " you do n't get vaccinated for yourself , you get vaccinated to protect those around you... " ) .
I am fortunate that I have been able to resist.So the " pandemic " might have been worse , but the negative side effects of the vaccine itself might have been much more dramatic as well.Another core issue is that we must manage risk objectively , and focus our resources ( which are always limited ) in the areas where are going to provide the best return , to the best of our knowledge at that point.We have squandered billions of dollars on flu shots , benefiting the pharma industry , with a probably dubious and very short-term benefit to the people .
With their powers , and leveraging WHO announcements , big pharma corporations have pulled all these funds towards them , benefiting only themselves and their shareholders.Some flood-resistant levies and earthquake-resistant buildings are still waiting to be built .
New sports facilities , more gym hours in school , promotion of healthy lifestyles , are all things which may have been better investments , providing better returns for the money.Governments and health authorities must objectively assess which investment is likely to be the most beneficial to their community.Because of pressure from pharma lobbies , and the leverage that the WHO has provided by declaring a pandemic , I am certain that the risks were not weighted and assessed objectively , and that precious health funds were squandered in a way that only benefited to the pharma industry.This is not only a " hindsight is 20/20 " kind of thing , but a real societal problem .
  -Ivan</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a doctor, and like many in the medical field, I am fed-up with all the BS related to the swine flu.Every time that news agencies (Reuters, AFP, etc) publish headlines saying "12500 deaths from the Swine flu" but omit to state in the article that the "classic" seasonal flu kills hundreds of thousands worldwide every year, this is inappropriately biased.
I think we can call this fear-mongering.Ok, the H1N1 strain might be a bit more aggressive.
But the vaccine itself has also been more aggressive, and normal safety checks and clinical studies were bypassed; the vaccine injections themselves have caused hospitalizations and casualties.
And many have been put under pressure to get vaccinated, even if we did not want to ("you don't get vaccinated for yourself, you get vaccinated to protect those around you...").
I am fortunate that I have been able to resist.So the "pandemic" might have been worse, but the negative side effects of the vaccine itself might have been much more dramatic as well.Another core issue is that we must manage risk objectively, and focus our resources (which are always limited) in the areas where are going to provide the best return, to the best of our knowledge at that point.We have squandered billions of dollars on flu shots, benefiting the pharma industry, with a probably dubious and very short-term benefit to the people.
With their powers, and leveraging WHO announcements, big pharma corporations have pulled all these funds towards them, benefiting only themselves and their shareholders.Some flood-resistant levies and earthquake-resistant buildings are still waiting to be built.
New sports facilities, more gym hours in school, promotion of healthy lifestyles, are all things which may have been better investments, providing better returns for the money.Governments and health authorities must objectively assess which investment is likely to be the most beneficial to their community.Because of pressure from pharma lobbies, and the leverage that the WHO has provided by declaring a pandemic, I am certain that the risks were not weighted and assessed objectively, and that precious health funds were squandered in a way that only benefited to the pharma industry.This is not only a "hindsight is 20/20" kind of thing, but a real societal problem.
  -Ivan</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777442</id>
	<title>Re:That's cool!</title>
	<author>Mikkeles</author>
	<datestamp>1263561000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And as a bonus, Bono isn't involved!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And as a bonus , Bono is n't involved !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And as a bonus, Bono isn't involved!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30779532</id>
	<title>Re:This worked out OK.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263574380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It's ironic that Slashdotters, who railed at managers who didn't appreciate their hard work fixing the "Y2K disaster that wasn't", are on the other side here.</i></p><p>y2k happens once about per century, flu pandemic happens every year.<br>y2k was 'unknown', flu is not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's ironic that Slashdotters , who railed at managers who did n't appreciate their hard work fixing the " Y2K disaster that was n't " , are on the other side here.y2k happens once about per century , flu pandemic happens every year.y2k was 'unknown ' , flu is not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's ironic that Slashdotters, who railed at managers who didn't appreciate their hard work fixing the "Y2K disaster that wasn't", are on the other side here.y2k happens once about per century, flu pandemic happens every year.y2k was 'unknown', flu is not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777318</id>
	<title>Trust us</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263559560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We are going to investigate ourselves. You can trust us to produce a balanced report... oh wait</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We are going to investigate ourselves .
You can trust us to produce a balanced report... oh wait</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are going to investigate ourselves.
You can trust us to produce a balanced report... oh wait</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776328</id>
	<title>Re:This worked out OK.</title>
	<author>chiguy</author>
	<datestamp>1263547380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's ironic that Slashdotters, who railed at managers who didn't appreciate their hard work fixing the "Y2K disaster that wasn't", are on the other side here.</p><p>It's better to prevent a catastrophe than to fix one.  And because a catastrophe didn't occur may mean the preventive measures were effective.</p><p>From the numbers and trends before availability of the vaccines, this was looking to be a major health issue.  *Healthy* *young* people were dying and H1N1 was active during normally dormant periods.</p><p>Record levels of vaccination, especially of school children, and the fortunate displacement of seasonal flu very likely helped make this a health policy success.</p><p>Despite this full on assault (or defense), people are still dying of H1N1.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...I haven't seen whooping cough and rubella around for a while, maybe I'll have my child skip that vaccination too...ahem</p><p>I agree with the DHS comment too...but that's offtopic</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's ironic that Slashdotters , who railed at managers who did n't appreciate their hard work fixing the " Y2K disaster that was n't " , are on the other side here.It 's better to prevent a catastrophe than to fix one .
And because a catastrophe did n't occur may mean the preventive measures were effective.From the numbers and trends before availability of the vaccines , this was looking to be a major health issue .
* Healthy * * young * people were dying and H1N1 was active during normally dormant periods.Record levels of vaccination , especially of school children , and the fortunate displacement of seasonal flu very likely helped make this a health policy success.Despite this full on assault ( or defense ) , people are still dying of H1N1 .
...I have n't seen whooping cough and rubella around for a while , maybe I 'll have my child skip that vaccination too...ahemI agree with the DHS comment too...but that 's offtopic</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's ironic that Slashdotters, who railed at managers who didn't appreciate their hard work fixing the "Y2K disaster that wasn't", are on the other side here.It's better to prevent a catastrophe than to fix one.
And because a catastrophe didn't occur may mean the preventive measures were effective.From the numbers and trends before availability of the vaccines, this was looking to be a major health issue.
*Healthy* *young* people were dying and H1N1 was active during normally dormant periods.Record levels of vaccination, especially of school children, and the fortunate displacement of seasonal flu very likely helped make this a health policy success.Despite this full on assault (or defense), people are still dying of H1N1.
...I haven't seen whooping cough and rubella around for a while, maybe I'll have my child skip that vaccination too...ahemI agree with the DHS comment too...but that's offtopic</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30779626</id>
	<title>1000 deaths? I don't think so</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1263574980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"8 January 2010 -- As of 3 January 2010, worldwide more than 208 countries and overseas territories or communities have reported laboratory confirmed cases of pandemic influenza (H1N1) 2009, including at least 12799 deaths. "</p><p>Fortunatly, it was far less then it could ahve been.</p><p>It's a pandemic, so global deaths are the umber you need to use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" 8 January 2010 -- As of 3 January 2010 , worldwide more than 208 countries and overseas territories or communities have reported laboratory confirmed cases of pandemic influenza ( H1N1 ) 2009 , including at least 12799 deaths .
" Fortunatly , it was far less then it could ahve been.It 's a pandemic , so global deaths are the umber you need to use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"8 January 2010 -- As of 3 January 2010, worldwide more than 208 countries and overseas territories or communities have reported laboratory confirmed cases of pandemic influenza (H1N1) 2009, including at least 12799 deaths.
"Fortunatly, it was far less then it could ahve been.It's a pandemic, so global deaths are the umber you need to use.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30775912</id>
	<title>Oh, I see</title>
	<author>Andorin</author>
	<datestamp>1263498540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>So regular people weren't the only ones caught up in the sensationalism that is/was swine flu. Governments were hooked by it too...</htmltext>
<tokenext>So regular people were n't the only ones caught up in the sensationalism that is/was swine flu .
Governments were hooked by it too.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So regular people weren't the only ones caught up in the sensationalism that is/was swine flu.
Governments were hooked by it too...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30785534</id>
	<title>Re:Shouldn't we be happy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263558000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We don't have a universal flu shot yet, and only a so-so effective treatment existing flu cases. We travel less that the armies of WW1 now, but vastly more (whether in total volume, percent of population, distance, or speed) in peacetime than earlier in history. So we don't know important details like when a particularly bad flu will hit, just that mutations of the flu will eventually find another bad combination.</p><p>It's kind of like saying a bad asteroid impact will hit "sooner or later".</p><p>It'd be faulty use of statistics to say "we're overdue" for either, or to try to draw a trend from the last three. But the causes are still out there, and the solutions don't exist yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We do n't have a universal flu shot yet , and only a so-so effective treatment existing flu cases .
We travel less that the armies of WW1 now , but vastly more ( whether in total volume , percent of population , distance , or speed ) in peacetime than earlier in history .
So we do n't know important details like when a particularly bad flu will hit , just that mutations of the flu will eventually find another bad combination.It 's kind of like saying a bad asteroid impact will hit " sooner or later " .It 'd be faulty use of statistics to say " we 're overdue " for either , or to try to draw a trend from the last three .
But the causes are still out there , and the solutions do n't exist yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We don't have a universal flu shot yet, and only a so-so effective treatment existing flu cases.
We travel less that the armies of WW1 now, but vastly more (whether in total volume, percent of population, distance, or speed) in peacetime than earlier in history.
So we don't know important details like when a particularly bad flu will hit, just that mutations of the flu will eventually find another bad combination.It's kind of like saying a bad asteroid impact will hit "sooner or later".It'd be faulty use of statistics to say "we're overdue" for either, or to try to draw a trend from the last three.
But the causes are still out there, and the solutions don't exist yet.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30780560</id>
	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1263579120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, swine flu was already in decline before the first big batch of vaccines even started to be effective in the recipients (there is a 10 day latency between receiving the shot and gaining immunity). Then it turned out that large batches of the vaccine were ineffective in the first place. The death toll wouldn't look much different if the whole thing had been shrugged off. That's a lot of money that could have been spent much more effectively on other public health issues that have been ignored.</p><p>There was plenty of good reason to believe that swine flu would turn out to be more fizzle than pandemic and many cooler heads predicted exactly that.</p><p>We're like people who say it was a waste of money to earthquake proof and build flood levies in the middle of a desert region that hasn't had an earthquake or a flood in recorded history. Sure enough, the seismograph is quiet and we had 3 drops of rain, just like every other year.</p><p>I'm just wondering what the panic will be next year. It's become an annual event to have paniky news reports about some sort of pandemic that invariably fizzles after a month or two. How many people even noticed the sleight of hand in the latest scare where the stories abruptly shifted from bird flu to swine flu?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , swine flu was already in decline before the first big batch of vaccines even started to be effective in the recipients ( there is a 10 day latency between receiving the shot and gaining immunity ) .
Then it turned out that large batches of the vaccine were ineffective in the first place .
The death toll would n't look much different if the whole thing had been shrugged off .
That 's a lot of money that could have been spent much more effectively on other public health issues that have been ignored.There was plenty of good reason to believe that swine flu would turn out to be more fizzle than pandemic and many cooler heads predicted exactly that.We 're like people who say it was a waste of money to earthquake proof and build flood levies in the middle of a desert region that has n't had an earthquake or a flood in recorded history .
Sure enough , the seismograph is quiet and we had 3 drops of rain , just like every other year.I 'm just wondering what the panic will be next year .
It 's become an annual event to have paniky news reports about some sort of pandemic that invariably fizzles after a month or two .
How many people even noticed the sleight of hand in the latest scare where the stories abruptly shifted from bird flu to swine flu ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, swine flu was already in decline before the first big batch of vaccines even started to be effective in the recipients (there is a 10 day latency between receiving the shot and gaining immunity).
Then it turned out that large batches of the vaccine were ineffective in the first place.
The death toll wouldn't look much different if the whole thing had been shrugged off.
That's a lot of money that could have been spent much more effectively on other public health issues that have been ignored.There was plenty of good reason to believe that swine flu would turn out to be more fizzle than pandemic and many cooler heads predicted exactly that.We're like people who say it was a waste of money to earthquake proof and build flood levies in the middle of a desert region that hasn't had an earthquake or a flood in recorded history.
Sure enough, the seismograph is quiet and we had 3 drops of rain, just like every other year.I'm just wondering what the panic will be next year.
It's become an annual event to have paniky news reports about some sort of pandemic that invariably fizzles after a month or two.
How many people even noticed the sleight of hand in the latest scare where the stories abruptly shifted from bird flu to swine flu?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30779384</id>
	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1263573660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I am a doctor, and like many in the medical field, I am fed-up with all the BS related to the swine flu.</p></div></blockquote><p>And the second part of this statement reveals your true motivations - you aren't actually any more qualified than the rest of us, but you'll puff yourself up with "I'm a doctor, therefore I know better than you" and use that to lend weight to your false arguments.<br>
&nbsp; </p><blockquote><div><p>Every time that news agencies (Reuters, AFP, etc) publish headlines saying "12500 deaths from the Swine flu" but omit to state in the article that the "classic" seasonal flu kills hundreds of thousands worldwide every year, this is inappropriately biased. I think we can call this fear-mongering.</p></div></blockquote><p>I call your statements ignorant.  How many people normally die is utterly and completely irrelevant.  The Swine flu was largely killing people outside of the demographics that normally are felled by the flu and outside the normal flu seasons.  Failing to acknowledge that and repeating the narrow minded handwaving just shows your true colors - you aren't interested in facts, but in bias.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a doctor , and like many in the medical field , I am fed-up with all the BS related to the swine flu.And the second part of this statement reveals your true motivations - you are n't actually any more qualified than the rest of us , but you 'll puff yourself up with " I 'm a doctor , therefore I know better than you " and use that to lend weight to your false arguments .
  Every time that news agencies ( Reuters , AFP , etc ) publish headlines saying " 12500 deaths from the Swine flu " but omit to state in the article that the " classic " seasonal flu kills hundreds of thousands worldwide every year , this is inappropriately biased .
I think we can call this fear-mongering.I call your statements ignorant .
How many people normally die is utterly and completely irrelevant .
The Swine flu was largely killing people outside of the demographics that normally are felled by the flu and outside the normal flu seasons .
Failing to acknowledge that and repeating the narrow minded handwaving just shows your true colors - you are n't interested in facts , but in bias .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a doctor, and like many in the medical field, I am fed-up with all the BS related to the swine flu.And the second part of this statement reveals your true motivations - you aren't actually any more qualified than the rest of us, but you'll puff yourself up with "I'm a doctor, therefore I know better than you" and use that to lend weight to your false arguments.
  Every time that news agencies (Reuters, AFP, etc) publish headlines saying "12500 deaths from the Swine flu" but omit to state in the article that the "classic" seasonal flu kills hundreds of thousands worldwide every year, this is inappropriately biased.
I think we can call this fear-mongering.I call your statements ignorant.
How many people normally die is utterly and completely irrelevant.
The Swine flu was largely killing people outside of the demographics that normally are felled by the flu and outside the normal flu seasons.
Failing to acknowledge that and repeating the narrow minded handwaving just shows your true colors - you aren't interested in facts, but in bias.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777540</id>
	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>(arg!)Styopa</author>
	<datestamp>1263561840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, but your self-righteousness makes you stupid. Nothing is free. Yes, 3000 extra people died...and yes, that's as trivial a number in reality as 9/11 should have been regarded.</p><p>See, your example of 9/11 only proves the point: the MISDIRECTED fearmongering in the case of 9/11 cost hundreds of $billion$, the swine flu is going to cost hundreds of $millions$, bird flu cost I-dont-know how much, how much is that greatest of FUDs going to cost, the 'fight against global warming'?</p><p>Those dollars could have saved serious numbers of people dying from real,preventable (but unsexy) things like oh malnutrition, treatable diseases - hell, traffic accidents.</p><p>No, scientists and doctors are human with human motivations and fallibilities, and the trend to think stupider in larger herds like normal people. Trust them blindly - as you seem to advocate - at your peril.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , but your self-righteousness makes you stupid .
Nothing is free .
Yes , 3000 extra people died...and yes , that 's as trivial a number in reality as 9/11 should have been regarded.See , your example of 9/11 only proves the point : the MISDIRECTED fearmongering in the case of 9/11 cost hundreds of $ billion $ , the swine flu is going to cost hundreds of $ millions $ , bird flu cost I-dont-know how much , how much is that greatest of FUDs going to cost , the 'fight against global warming ' ? Those dollars could have saved serious numbers of people dying from real,preventable ( but unsexy ) things like oh malnutrition , treatable diseases - hell , traffic accidents.No , scientists and doctors are human with human motivations and fallibilities , and the trend to think stupider in larger herds like normal people .
Trust them blindly - as you seem to advocate - at your peril .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, but your self-righteousness makes you stupid.
Nothing is free.
Yes, 3000 extra people died...and yes, that's as trivial a number in reality as 9/11 should have been regarded.See, your example of 9/11 only proves the point: the MISDIRECTED fearmongering in the case of 9/11 cost hundreds of $billion$, the swine flu is going to cost hundreds of $millions$, bird flu cost I-dont-know how much, how much is that greatest of FUDs going to cost, the 'fight against global warming'?Those dollars could have saved serious numbers of people dying from real,preventable (but unsexy) things like oh malnutrition, treatable diseases - hell, traffic accidents.No, scientists and doctors are human with human motivations and fallibilities, and the trend to think stupider in larger herds like normal people.
Trust them blindly - as you seem to advocate - at your peril.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776740</id>
	<title>Re:Not only UK</title>
	<author>rvw</author>
	<datestamp>1263552480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Dutch government has done the same, and I'm happy they did. They paid about 200 million euros, which is really nothing compared to the risk if the flu had really caught on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Dutch government has done the same , and I 'm happy they did .
They paid about 200 million euros , which is really nothing compared to the risk if the flu had really caught on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Dutch government has done the same, and I'm happy they did.
They paid about 200 million euros, which is really nothing compared to the risk if the flu had really caught on.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30799036</id>
	<title>Re:Not only UK</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263749640000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>It took only common sense and foresight to see that people were not going to be dying as flies.  When a real pandemic is going on, trust me, you will not need to rely on media reports to see or hear about the effects of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It took only common sense and foresight to see that people were not going to be dying as flies .
When a real pandemic is going on , trust me , you will not need to rely on media reports to see or hear about the effects of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It took only common sense and foresight to see that people were not going to be dying as flies.
When a real pandemic is going on, trust me, you will not need to rely on media reports to see or hear about the effects of it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30784824</id>
	<title>Re:"Overestimate" WTF?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263554220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, they are.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , they are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, they are.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778692</id>
	<title>Re:This made my day</title>
	<author>FlyingBishop</author>
	<datestamp>1263569700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Vaccinations are worthwhile. It could've been much worse without the scaremongering.</p><p>It's just like any other technical work. When you screw up, everyone hears about it. When you do everything right, everyone asks "What the fuck are we paying you for if we never have any problems?" Nothing bad happened because we reacted strongly and quickly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Vaccinations are worthwhile .
It could 've been much worse without the scaremongering.It 's just like any other technical work .
When you screw up , everyone hears about it .
When you do everything right , everyone asks " What the fuck are we paying you for if we never have any problems ?
" Nothing bad happened because we reacted strongly and quickly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vaccinations are worthwhile.
It could've been much worse without the scaremongering.It's just like any other technical work.
When you screw up, everyone hears about it.
When you do everything right, everyone asks "What the fuck are we paying you for if we never have any problems?
" Nothing bad happened because we reacted strongly and quickly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776400</id>
	<title>Scapegoating</title>
	<author>Toonol</author>
	<datestamp>1263548280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm all for criticizing the pharmaceutical companies, and their mishandling of the epidemic... but the major governments of the world were eager partners in spreading fear and mis-information.  Now they're trying to deflect blame.<br> <br>

The hysterical press is the third entity that should share in the guilt.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm all for criticizing the pharmaceutical companies , and their mishandling of the epidemic... but the major governments of the world were eager partners in spreading fear and mis-information .
Now they 're trying to deflect blame .
The hysterical press is the third entity that should share in the guilt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm all for criticizing the pharmaceutical companies, and their mishandling of the epidemic... but the major governments of the world were eager partners in spreading fear and mis-information.
Now they're trying to deflect blame.
The hysterical press is the third entity that should share in the guilt.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776482</id>
	<title>This could be a very bad thing</title>
	<author>John Titor</author>
	<datestamp>1263549180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This will leave many large populations ripe for the picking.
The next real threat will not be planned for. Sting a politician once like this and see how they react the next time, especially if the population and media starts bitching about wasteful spending.
If I were an evil organization who has a stated goal of population control, and I had a virus I would be releasing it now.

The real problem is the stupidity of the deals cut. If you buy xxx amount of vaccine (that isn't yet produced ) there should be a clause to cancel the order, or at the very least cancel the production and shift the balance of the payment to a future vaccines production.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This will leave many large populations ripe for the picking .
The next real threat will not be planned for .
Sting a politician once like this and see how they react the next time , especially if the population and media starts bitching about wasteful spending .
If I were an evil organization who has a stated goal of population control , and I had a virus I would be releasing it now .
The real problem is the stupidity of the deals cut .
If you buy xxx amount of vaccine ( that is n't yet produced ) there should be a clause to cancel the order , or at the very least cancel the production and shift the balance of the payment to a future vaccines production .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This will leave many large populations ripe for the picking.
The next real threat will not be planned for.
Sting a politician once like this and see how they react the next time, especially if the population and media starts bitching about wasteful spending.
If I were an evil organization who has a stated goal of population control, and I had a virus I would be releasing it now.
The real problem is the stupidity of the deals cut.
If you buy xxx amount of vaccine (that isn't yet produced ) there should be a clause to cancel the order, or at the very least cancel the production and shift the balance of the payment to a future vaccines production.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777734</id>
	<title>Re:Hello, think a little!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263563880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>lots of credible people tell you this might be a significant problem.</p></div><p>The problem is that anyone who stand to make $Millions out of the decision is simply not "Credible" under any circumstances.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>lots of credible people tell you this might be a significant problem.The problem is that anyone who stand to make $ Millions out of the decision is simply not " Credible " under any circumstances .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lots of credible people tell you this might be a significant problem.The problem is that anyone who stand to make $Millions out of the decision is simply not "Credible" under any circumstances.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30783224</id>
	<title>Re:Hello, think a little!</title>
	<author>harl</author>
	<datestamp>1263547140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You forgot something from number 3.</p><p>You loose credibility.</p><p>If you keep making a big deal out of things that aren't a big deal people will start to ignore you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You forgot something from number 3.You loose credibility.If you keep making a big deal out of things that are n't a big deal people will start to ignore you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You forgot something from number 3.You loose credibility.If you keep making a big deal out of things that aren't a big deal people will start to ignore you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777032</id>
	<title>I actually had swine flu</title>
	<author>flyingfsck</author>
	<datestamp>1263556560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can vouch that it is/was a pretty serious kind of flu, since it constricts the upper airways.  That is the mechanism by which people die of it - they suffocate.  I felt like suffocating a few times.

However, instead of spending tons of money on vaccines, the health organizations could have spent a fraction of the amount on good old anti-histamine (pseudo-ephedrine hydrocloride).  With this flu, treating the symptoms is very effective and all i did, was pop a few Benadrils.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can vouch that it is/was a pretty serious kind of flu , since it constricts the upper airways .
That is the mechanism by which people die of it - they suffocate .
I felt like suffocating a few times .
However , instead of spending tons of money on vaccines , the health organizations could have spent a fraction of the amount on good old anti-histamine ( pseudo-ephedrine hydrocloride ) .
With this flu , treating the symptoms is very effective and all i did , was pop a few Benadrils .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can vouch that it is/was a pretty serious kind of flu, since it constricts the upper airways.
That is the mechanism by which people die of it - they suffocate.
I felt like suffocating a few times.
However, instead of spending tons of money on vaccines, the health organizations could have spent a fraction of the amount on good old anti-histamine (pseudo-ephedrine hydrocloride).
With this flu, treating the symptoms is very effective and all i did, was pop a few Benadrils.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778738</id>
	<title>Re:Shifting the blame?</title>
	<author>TapeCutter</author>
	<datestamp>1263569940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"institutions like the WHO must also justify their existence"</i>
<br> <br>
The WHO erradicated the biblical plague of smallpox from the face of the Earth and are pretty close to achieving the same thing with polio. I went to school with polio victims in the 60's and as far as I am concerned their track record more than justifies their existence.
<br> <br>
It a pity the WHO don't have a cure for arrogance and hubris because the comments I've read so far are sickening.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" institutions like the WHO must also justify their existence " The WHO erradicated the biblical plague of smallpox from the face of the Earth and are pretty close to achieving the same thing with polio .
I went to school with polio victims in the 60 's and as far as I am concerned their track record more than justifies their existence .
It a pity the WHO do n't have a cure for arrogance and hubris because the comments I 've read so far are sickening .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"institutions like the WHO must also justify their existence"
 
The WHO erradicated the biblical plague of smallpox from the face of the Earth and are pretty close to achieving the same thing with polio.
I went to school with polio victims in the 60's and as far as I am concerned their track record more than justifies their existence.
It a pity the WHO don't have a cure for arrogance and hubris because the comments I've read so far are sickening.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30795808</id>
	<title>Re:This made my day</title>
	<author>c6gunner</author>
	<datestamp>1263659940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It wasn't a company.  I think it's pretty clear who is REALLY behind this.  All you have to do is follow the money.  Ask yourself - who had the most to gain?  The answer is clear, as long as you're not a sheep.  There can be no doubt that the true perpetrator is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..... JENNY MCCARTHY!</p><p>Think about it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... who vacationed in Mexico shortly before H1N1 hit?  Who was a washed-up actress with no real prospects until this "pandemic"?  Who made millions of dollars and gained millions of loyal followers thanks to this event?  Who is married to <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112462/" title="imdb.com">The Riddler</a> [imdb.com] - a mad genius capable of engineering a mutant virus?  You got it!  Opportunity, Motive, and Means - only one person has them all!  I'm surprised that someone of your (clearly superior) intellect hasn't come up with the answer up until now, but I suppose we all have our off days.  Now that you know The Truth, though, I'm sure you'll join me in spreading our message!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was n't a company .
I think it 's pretty clear who is REALLY behind this .
All you have to do is follow the money .
Ask yourself - who had the most to gain ?
The answer is clear , as long as you 're not a sheep .
There can be no doubt that the true perpetrator is ..... JENNY MCCARTHY ! Think about it .... who vacationed in Mexico shortly before H1N1 hit ?
Who was a washed-up actress with no real prospects until this " pandemic " ?
Who made millions of dollars and gained millions of loyal followers thanks to this event ?
Who is married to The Riddler [ imdb.com ] - a mad genius capable of engineering a mutant virus ?
You got it !
Opportunity , Motive , and Means - only one person has them all !
I 'm surprised that someone of your ( clearly superior ) intellect has n't come up with the answer up until now , but I suppose we all have our off days .
Now that you know The Truth , though , I 'm sure you 'll join me in spreading our message !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It wasn't a company.
I think it's pretty clear who is REALLY behind this.
All you have to do is follow the money.
Ask yourself - who had the most to gain?
The answer is clear, as long as you're not a sheep.
There can be no doubt that the true perpetrator is ..... JENNY MCCARTHY!Think about it .... who vacationed in Mexico shortly before H1N1 hit?
Who was a washed-up actress with no real prospects until this "pandemic"?
Who made millions of dollars and gained millions of loyal followers thanks to this event?
Who is married to The Riddler [imdb.com] - a mad genius capable of engineering a mutant virus?
You got it!
Opportunity, Motive, and Means - only one person has them all!
I'm surprised that someone of your (clearly superior) intellect hasn't come up with the answer up until now, but I suppose we all have our off days.
Now that you know The Truth, though, I'm sure you'll join me in spreading our message!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30779668</id>
	<title>It's not done, and it's a lot more then 1000 death</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1263575160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.who.int/csr/don/2010\_01\_08/en/index.html" title="who.int">http://www.who.int/csr/don/2010\_01\_08/en/index.html</a> [who.int]</p><p>People in the west seem to think because there hasn't been a big impact that it means nothing happened and that it's over.</p><p>In fact, it is still very active in Europe. This is because people aren't getting vaccinated. Some clamping down on people lying about vaccines needs to be done. Also stop calling it 'the Jab'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.who.int/csr/don/2010 \ _01 \ _08/en/index.html [ who.int ] People in the west seem to think because there has n't been a big impact that it means nothing happened and that it 's over.In fact , it is still very active in Europe .
This is because people are n't getting vaccinated .
Some clamping down on people lying about vaccines needs to be done .
Also stop calling it 'the Jab' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.who.int/csr/don/2010\_01\_08/en/index.html [who.int]People in the west seem to think because there hasn't been a big impact that it means nothing happened and that it's over.In fact, it is still very active in Europe.
This is because people aren't getting vaccinated.
Some clamping down on people lying about vaccines needs to be done.
Also stop calling it 'the Jab'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778872</id>
	<title>Re:Oh, I see</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263570720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would've gotten the H1N1 vaccine...  If only it was available before I'd gotten the swine flu.  The vaccine's not much use after the fact.  I suspect a good portion of any unused vaccine in the US can be attributed to it simply being delivered too late.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would 've gotten the H1N1 vaccine... If only it was available before I 'd gotten the swine flu .
The vaccine 's not much use after the fact .
I suspect a good portion of any unused vaccine in the US can be attributed to it simply being delivered too late .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would've gotten the H1N1 vaccine...  If only it was available before I'd gotten the swine flu.
The vaccine's not much use after the fact.
I suspect a good portion of any unused vaccine in the US can be attributed to it simply being delivered too late.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778592</id>
	<title>Re:Shouldn't we be happy?</title>
	<author>Angostura</author>
	<datestamp>1263569280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed. As a British tax payer, I think the UK government took the right course of action, given the evidence available to it. Remember back the reported mortality rates in Mexico, nasty stuff.</p><p>However I welcome the WHO investigation. If they were bamboozled by the drugs companies, that would be bad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
As a British tax payer , I think the UK government took the right course of action , given the evidence available to it .
Remember back the reported mortality rates in Mexico , nasty stuff.However I welcome the WHO investigation .
If they were bamboozled by the drugs companies , that would be bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
As a British tax payer, I think the UK government took the right course of action, given the evidence available to it.
Remember back the reported mortality rates in Mexico, nasty stuff.However I welcome the WHO investigation.
If they were bamboozled by the drugs companies, that would be bad.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777332</id>
	<title>Why cant we all get along?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263559680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not try to live in symbiosis with virii and bacteria more? This way no over reaction from our immune system, no illness.<br>Think about it dudes, its the way of the future!<br>We have to evolve!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not try to live in symbiosis with virii and bacteria more ?
This way no over reaction from our immune system , no illness.Think about it dudes , its the way of the future ! We have to evolve !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not try to live in symbiosis with virii and bacteria more?
This way no over reaction from our immune system, no illness.Think about it dudes, its the way of the future!We have to evolve!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776434</id>
	<title>Hello, think a little!</title>
	<author>oGMo</author>
	<datestamp>1263548640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Think about this a little.  Assume you're the person in charge of handling this crisis.  There are two main variables, each with two outcomes: "do something now?" and "is H1N1 a big deal?".  For the purposes of this conversation, while there may be magnitudes of "is H1N1 a big deal?", any value other than "no, not at all" is about the same as "yes, very".  But this leads us to four cases:</p><ol>
<li>We Do Something Now; H1N1 Is a Big Deal:  In this case, you ordered lots of vaccine; the pandemic still affected a lot of people, but everything that could be done, was done.  You spent money.  It probably saved a lot of lives.</li><li>We Don't Do Something Now; H1N1 Is a Big Deal:  You decided to wait and see; the pandemic affected a lot of people.  Millions sick.  Significant fraction died.  You screwed up, massive loss of life... but you didn't spend any money.</li><li>We Do Something Now; H1N1 Not a Big Deal:  You ordered lots of vaccine; people might have been affected, but few died.  You had lots of vaccine left over.</li><li>We Don't Do Something Now; H1N1 Not a Big Deal:  You decided to wait and see; H1N1 never went anywhere, people might have been affected, but few died.  You didn't spend any money.</li></ol><p>Now look at these scenarios.  First off, it should be obvious that <i>not</i> spending the money only "wins" in one out of four cases, and if you look at it politically, you were still gambling with peoples' lives.  Second, and perhaps less obvious at first, is that it may actually be hard to tell the difference between 1 and 3.  Without seeing both "do" and "do not" played out, can we tell if the vaccine was useful?  Sure we may have lots left over, but<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... maybe even what was used played a significant role.  Compare this to Y2K; lots of money was spent, lots of work was done, and lots of systems didn't break.  Was it wasted effort?  Was Y2K not a credible issue?</p><p>In the end, it comes down to this: do you value money or the lives of people?  You're not a doctor, but lots of credible people tell you this might be a significant problem.  Do you cheap out and possibly save a few bucks, risking the lives of millions?  Or do you spend a few million bucks possibly unnecessarily, to possibly save millions in the face of a credible threat?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Think about this a little .
Assume you 're the person in charge of handling this crisis .
There are two main variables , each with two outcomes : " do something now ?
" and " is H1N1 a big deal ? " .
For the purposes of this conversation , while there may be magnitudes of " is H1N1 a big deal ?
" , any value other than " no , not at all " is about the same as " yes , very " .
But this leads us to four cases : We Do Something Now ; H1N1 Is a Big Deal : In this case , you ordered lots of vaccine ; the pandemic still affected a lot of people , but everything that could be done , was done .
You spent money .
It probably saved a lot of lives.We Do n't Do Something Now ; H1N1 Is a Big Deal : You decided to wait and see ; the pandemic affected a lot of people .
Millions sick .
Significant fraction died .
You screwed up , massive loss of life... but you did n't spend any money.We Do Something Now ; H1N1 Not a Big Deal : You ordered lots of vaccine ; people might have been affected , but few died .
You had lots of vaccine left over.We Do n't Do Something Now ; H1N1 Not a Big Deal : You decided to wait and see ; H1N1 never went anywhere , people might have been affected , but few died .
You did n't spend any money.Now look at these scenarios .
First off , it should be obvious that not spending the money only " wins " in one out of four cases , and if you look at it politically , you were still gambling with peoples ' lives .
Second , and perhaps less obvious at first , is that it may actually be hard to tell the difference between 1 and 3 .
Without seeing both " do " and " do not " played out , can we tell if the vaccine was useful ?
Sure we may have lots left over , but ... maybe even what was used played a significant role .
Compare this to Y2K ; lots of money was spent , lots of work was done , and lots of systems did n't break .
Was it wasted effort ?
Was Y2K not a credible issue ? In the end , it comes down to this : do you value money or the lives of people ?
You 're not a doctor , but lots of credible people tell you this might be a significant problem .
Do you cheap out and possibly save a few bucks , risking the lives of millions ?
Or do you spend a few million bucks possibly unnecessarily , to possibly save millions in the face of a credible threat ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Think about this a little.
Assume you're the person in charge of handling this crisis.
There are two main variables, each with two outcomes: "do something now?
" and "is H1N1 a big deal?".
For the purposes of this conversation, while there may be magnitudes of "is H1N1 a big deal?
", any value other than "no, not at all" is about the same as "yes, very".
But this leads us to four cases:
We Do Something Now; H1N1 Is a Big Deal:  In this case, you ordered lots of vaccine; the pandemic still affected a lot of people, but everything that could be done, was done.
You spent money.
It probably saved a lot of lives.We Don't Do Something Now; H1N1 Is a Big Deal:  You decided to wait and see; the pandemic affected a lot of people.
Millions sick.
Significant fraction died.
You screwed up, massive loss of life... but you didn't spend any money.We Do Something Now; H1N1 Not a Big Deal:  You ordered lots of vaccine; people might have been affected, but few died.
You had lots of vaccine left over.We Don't Do Something Now; H1N1 Not a Big Deal:  You decided to wait and see; H1N1 never went anywhere, people might have been affected, but few died.
You didn't spend any money.Now look at these scenarios.
First off, it should be obvious that not spending the money only "wins" in one out of four cases, and if you look at it politically, you were still gambling with peoples' lives.
Second, and perhaps less obvious at first, is that it may actually be hard to tell the difference between 1 and 3.
Without seeing both "do" and "do not" played out, can we tell if the vaccine was useful?
Sure we may have lots left over, but ... maybe even what was used played a significant role.
Compare this to Y2K; lots of money was spent, lots of work was done, and lots of systems didn't break.
Was it wasted effort?
Was Y2K not a credible issue?In the end, it comes down to this: do you value money or the lives of people?
You're not a doctor, but lots of credible people tell you this might be a significant problem.
Do you cheap out and possibly save a few bucks, risking the lives of millions?
Or do you spend a few million bucks possibly unnecessarily, to possibly save millions in the face of a credible threat?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777146</id>
	<title>Re:This worked out OK.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263557580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The swine flue vaccination campaign in the US probably has already saved more lives than the entire Department of Homeland Security.</i></p><p>You say that like it's some kind of achivement. The average EMT saved more lives last year than the entire DHS since it's existance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The swine flue vaccination campaign in the US probably has already saved more lives than the entire Department of Homeland Security.You say that like it 's some kind of achivement .
The average EMT saved more lives last year than the entire DHS since it 's existance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The swine flue vaccination campaign in the US probably has already saved more lives than the entire Department of Homeland Security.You say that like it's some kind of achivement.
The average EMT saved more lives last year than the entire DHS since it's existance.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30780052</id>
	<title>Re:The WHO needs to shut the fuck up</title>
	<author>cbeaudry</author>
	<datestamp>1263577020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"You're like people who say it was a waste of money to build earthquake-resistant buildings because we didn't have an earthquake. Or to build flood-resistant levies because we didn't have a flood."</p><p>Stop your fear mongering. Your examples are hyperbole and ridiculous.</p><p>In your own words, influenza kills 50,000 a year in the U.S.  The current worldwide number of deaths for H!N! is just over 14,000.</p><p>Thats no where near epidemic proportions and as for pandemic... we'll it did happen all over the world, but by the very definition of pandemic it MUST be an epidemic first.</p><p>An epidemic has a higher incidence rate than normal. This has not been proven or demonstrated in comparison to standard seasonal flu.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" You 're like people who say it was a waste of money to build earthquake-resistant buildings because we did n't have an earthquake .
Or to build flood-resistant levies because we did n't have a flood .
" Stop your fear mongering .
Your examples are hyperbole and ridiculous.In your own words , influenza kills 50,000 a year in the U.S. The current worldwide number of deaths for H ! N !
is just over 14,000.Thats no where near epidemic proportions and as for pandemic... we 'll it did happen all over the world , but by the very definition of pandemic it MUST be an epidemic first.An epidemic has a higher incidence rate than normal .
This has not been proven or demonstrated in comparison to standard seasonal flu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"You're like people who say it was a waste of money to build earthquake-resistant buildings because we didn't have an earthquake.
Or to build flood-resistant levies because we didn't have a flood.
"Stop your fear mongering.
Your examples are hyperbole and ridiculous.In your own words, influenza kills 50,000 a year in the U.S.  The current worldwide number of deaths for H!N!
is just over 14,000.Thats no where near epidemic proportions and as for pandemic... we'll it did happen all over the world, but by the very definition of pandemic it MUST be an epidemic first.An epidemic has a higher incidence rate than normal.
This has not been proven or demonstrated in comparison to standard seasonal flu.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30775974</id>
	<title>Zombie Virus</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263585600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well at least they prove they're well prepared for the zombie virus. The second a person starts biting others they'll be issuing guns and telling everyone to aim for the head.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well at least they prove they 're well prepared for the zombie virus .
The second a person starts biting others they 'll be issuing guns and telling everyone to aim for the head .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well at least they prove they're well prepared for the zombie virus.
The second a person starts biting others they'll be issuing guns and telling everyone to aim for the head.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30776056</id>
	<title>swine oil</title>
	<author>Spaham</author>
	<datestamp>1263586740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like somebody fed them their own snake oil,<br>doesn't it sound exactly like going after  (known to be) unexisting weapons of mass destruction ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like somebody fed them their own snake oil,does n't it sound exactly like going after ( known to be ) unexisting weapons of mass destruction ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like somebody fed them their own snake oil,doesn't it sound exactly like going after  (known to be) unexisting weapons of mass destruction ?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30779352</id>
	<title>Re:Shouldn't we be happy?</title>
	<author>Rocketship Underpant</author>
	<datestamp>1263573480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Dutch government wasted 200 million euros on a crazy snake oil scheme, and you're happy because the concept of spending enormous amounts of money to keep people from getting the sniffles is a great trade-off?</p><p>Maybe you could hook me up with the Dutch health office. I have some, er, tiger-repellent badges I'd like to sell. I hear hundreds of your countrymen could be bitten by tigers if nothing is done, so act fast.</p><p>And I thought Americans were crazy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Dutch government wasted 200 million euros on a crazy snake oil scheme , and you 're happy because the concept of spending enormous amounts of money to keep people from getting the sniffles is a great trade-off ? Maybe you could hook me up with the Dutch health office .
I have some , er , tiger-repellent badges I 'd like to sell .
I hear hundreds of your countrymen could be bitten by tigers if nothing is done , so act fast.And I thought Americans were crazy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Dutch government wasted 200 million euros on a crazy snake oil scheme, and you're happy because the concept of spending enormous amounts of money to keep people from getting the sniffles is a great trade-off?Maybe you could hook me up with the Dutch health office.
I have some, er, tiger-repellent badges I'd like to sell.
I hear hundreds of your countrymen could be bitten by tigers if nothing is done, so act fast.And I thought Americans were crazy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30778612</id>
	<title>So they are going to 'investigate' ....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263569400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>they even changed the fucking pandemic definition they had for decades, just to be able to call this a pandemic. what's there to investigate. its like nixon saying 'im not a crook' after the tapes have been discovered.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>they even changed the fucking pandemic definition they had for decades , just to be able to call this a pandemic .
what 's there to investigate .
its like nixon saying 'im not a crook ' after the tapes have been discovered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they even changed the fucking pandemic definition they had for decades, just to be able to call this a pandemic.
what's there to investigate.
its like nixon saying 'im not a crook' after the tapes have been discovered.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_0254217.30777274</id>
	<title>20/20 hindsight is wonderful</title>
	<author>Kupfernigk</author>
	<datestamp>1263559020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>(6/6 in modern countries). Experience with previous influenza variants showed that initially mild waves could be followed by very severe ones, as happened after WW1. Considering the number of people who died in the WW1 pandemic, a billion dollars or so is peanuts. It could easily have represented about $50 per life saved.<p>I had influenza in 1976. The 1976 strain was a variant of the current swine flu. It nearly killed me, an active person in his twenties of correct body weight who was running up to 6 miles a day. It took nearly 2 years before I was fully recovered. Based on personal experience, I do not think the reaction was alarmist. Influenza can be a major killer, and we simply do not know which strain will be the next one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( 6/6 in modern countries ) .
Experience with previous influenza variants showed that initially mild waves could be followed by very severe ones , as happened after WW1 .
Considering the number of people who died in the WW1 pandemic , a billion dollars or so is peanuts .
It could easily have represented about $ 50 per life saved.I had influenza in 1976 .
The 1976 strain was a variant of the current swine flu .
It nearly killed me , an active person in his twenties of correct body weight who was running up to 6 miles a day .
It took nearly 2 years before I was fully recovered .
Based on personal experience , I do not think the reaction was alarmist .
Influenza can be a major killer , and we simply do not know which strain will be the next one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(6/6 in modern countries).
Experience with previous influenza variants showed that initially mild waves could be followed by very severe ones, as happened after WW1.
Considering the number of people who died in the WW1 pandemic, a billion dollars or so is peanuts.
It could easily have represented about $50 per life saved.I had influenza in 1976.
The 1976 strain was a variant of the current swine flu.
It nearly killed me, an active person in his twenties of correct body weight who was running up to 6 miles a day.
It took nearly 2 years before I was fully recovered.
Based on personal experience, I do not think the reaction was alarmist.
Influenza can be a major killer, and we simply do not know which strain will be the next one.</sentencetext>
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