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	<title>US Youth Have Serious Mental Health Issues</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1263306660000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://aqfl.net/" rel="nofollow">Ant</a> writes <i>"Google News carries a Canadian Press report that 'a new study has found that five times as many high school and college students in the United States are <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5gBI4SQOMnufssMGrc6v-pd6P-iLw">dealing with anxiety and other mental health issues</a> than youth of the same age who were studied in the Great Depression era. ... Pulling together the data for the study was no small task. Led by [San Diego State University psychology professor Jean Twenge], researchers at five universities analyzed the responses of 77,576 high school or college students who, from 1938 through 2007, took the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory, or MMPI. The results will be published in a future issue of the <em>Clinical Psychology Review</em>. Overall, an average of five times as many students in 2007 surpassed thresholds in one or more mental health categories, compared with those who did so in 1938. A few individual categories increased at an even greater rate &mdash; with six times as many scoring high in two areas: 'hypomania,' a measure of anxiety and unrealistic optimism (from 5 per cent of students in 1938 to 31 per cent in 2007), and depression (from 1 per cent to 6 per cent).'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ant writes " Google News carries a Canadian Press report that 'a new study has found that five times as many high school and college students in the United States are dealing with anxiety and other mental health issues than youth of the same age who were studied in the Great Depression era .
... Pulling together the data for the study was no small task .
Led by [ San Diego State University psychology professor Jean Twenge ] , researchers at five universities analyzed the responses of 77,576 high school or college students who , from 1938 through 2007 , took the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory , or MMPI .
The results will be published in a future issue of the Clinical Psychology Review .
Overall , an average of five times as many students in 2007 surpassed thresholds in one or more mental health categories , compared with those who did so in 1938 .
A few individual categories increased at an even greater rate    with six times as many scoring high in two areas : 'hypomania, ' a measure of anxiety and unrealistic optimism ( from 5 per cent of students in 1938 to 31 per cent in 2007 ) , and depression ( from 1 per cent to 6 per cent ) .
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<sentencetext>Ant writes "Google News carries a Canadian Press report that 'a new study has found that five times as many high school and college students in the United States are dealing with anxiety and other mental health issues than youth of the same age who were studied in the Great Depression era.
... Pulling together the data for the study was no small task.
Led by [San Diego State University psychology professor Jean Twenge], researchers at five universities analyzed the responses of 77,576 high school or college students who, from 1938 through 2007, took the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory, or MMPI.
The results will be published in a future issue of the Clinical Psychology Review.
Overall, an average of five times as many students in 2007 surpassed thresholds in one or more mental health categories, compared with those who did so in 1938.
A few individual categories increased at an even greater rate — with six times as many scoring high in two areas: 'hypomania,' a measure of anxiety and unrealistic optimism (from 5 per cent of students in 1938 to 31 per cent in 2007), and depression (from 1 per cent to 6 per cent).
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	<title>Re:You get what you pay for.</title>
	<author>nomadic</author>
	<datestamp>1263317820000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><i>I regard them as "ignorant" because they don't know basic facts of geography, history, or culture</i>
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As opposed to the philosopher-kings who were teens of other decades?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I regard them as " ignorant " because they do n't know basic facts of geography , history , or culture As opposed to the philosopher-kings who were teens of other decades ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I regard them as "ignorant" because they don't know basic facts of geography, history, or culture


As opposed to the philosopher-kings who were teens of other decades?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:"Orchid Children"</title>
	<author>radtea</author>
	<datestamp>1263292500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>Raised in the right environment they thrive, and the traits that are considered flaws become strengths, even allowing them success beyond their dandelion brethren.</i></p><p>Thanks for this article, although it is written in that annoyingly formulaic Atlantic Monthly style, right down to the personal annecdote.</p><p>Threre's a lot of really interesting material there, though, and it's good to see our understanding of the role of enviornment/gene interaction becoming a primary focus of study.  The role of parents simply getting down on the floor and being with their kids can't be underestimated.</p><p>But I'm as certain as anything that on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. in 2025 there will still be people asking, "So is it nature or nurture?" as if the two were orthogonal.  And there'll be people ignoring these results because they are based on evolution.  And there will be "spare the rod and spoil the child" types who just like to hit people, and aren't about to let science or the well-being of their kids stand in their way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Raised in the right environment they thrive , and the traits that are considered flaws become strengths , even allowing them success beyond their dandelion brethren.Thanks for this article , although it is written in that annoyingly formulaic Atlantic Monthly style , right down to the personal annecdote.Threre 's a lot of really interesting material there , though , and it 's good to see our understanding of the role of enviornment/gene interaction becoming a primary focus of study .
The role of parents simply getting down on the floor and being with their kids ca n't be underestimated.But I 'm as certain as anything that on / .
in 2025 there will still be people asking , " So is it nature or nurture ?
" as if the two were orthogonal .
And there 'll be people ignoring these results because they are based on evolution .
And there will be " spare the rod and spoil the child " types who just like to hit people , and are n't about to let science or the well-being of their kids stand in their way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Raised in the right environment they thrive, and the traits that are considered flaws become strengths, even allowing them success beyond their dandelion brethren.Thanks for this article, although it is written in that annoyingly formulaic Atlantic Monthly style, right down to the personal annecdote.Threre's a lot of really interesting material there, though, and it's good to see our understanding of the role of enviornment/gene interaction becoming a primary focus of study.
The role of parents simply getting down on the floor and being with their kids can't be underestimated.But I'm as certain as anything that on /.
in 2025 there will still be people asking, "So is it nature or nurture?
" as if the two were orthogonal.
And there'll be people ignoring these results because they are based on evolution.
And there will be "spare the rod and spoil the child" types who just like to hit people, and aren't about to let science or the well-being of their kids stand in their way.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Some really desolate lawns</title>
	<author>FoolishOwl</author>
	<datestamp>1263289860000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I agree, generally. I'm writing this while taking a break from going over my stepson's high school applications. The applications for high schools are more complex and difficult than the applications for colleges I remember in the late 80s.</p><p>Another thing that's concerned me for some time is the near-complete absence of a positive vision of the future. Such a vision can help one overcome any tribulation; the absence of one can make any tribulation seem crushing. In the late 1930s, there were many such visions in play: the democratic republic were still a new idea in much of the world; that science could lead rapidly and directly to practical improvements in daily life was a new phenomenon; the labor movement was broadening its base and establishing its legitimacy; the several varieties of socialism were attracting mass followings; and, hideous as most now recognize it to be, fascism and totalitarianism were seen as visions for a future.</p><p>Now, most visions of the future seem to be nothing more than the belief that if we overcome various threats, to the global environment in particular, we may continue to live as we do now, except maybe with better web browsers. Even radicals seem to have very circumscribed visions of what may be accomplished. So, the kids I meet seem to look forward to individual prosperity, or to helping forestall various potential crises, and that's it. It's not much to lean on in times of trouble.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , generally .
I 'm writing this while taking a break from going over my stepson 's high school applications .
The applications for high schools are more complex and difficult than the applications for colleges I remember in the late 80s.Another thing that 's concerned me for some time is the near-complete absence of a positive vision of the future .
Such a vision can help one overcome any tribulation ; the absence of one can make any tribulation seem crushing .
In the late 1930s , there were many such visions in play : the democratic republic were still a new idea in much of the world ; that science could lead rapidly and directly to practical improvements in daily life was a new phenomenon ; the labor movement was broadening its base and establishing its legitimacy ; the several varieties of socialism were attracting mass followings ; and , hideous as most now recognize it to be , fascism and totalitarianism were seen as visions for a future.Now , most visions of the future seem to be nothing more than the belief that if we overcome various threats , to the global environment in particular , we may continue to live as we do now , except maybe with better web browsers .
Even radicals seem to have very circumscribed visions of what may be accomplished .
So , the kids I meet seem to look forward to individual prosperity , or to helping forestall various potential crises , and that 's it .
It 's not much to lean on in times of trouble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, generally.
I'm writing this while taking a break from going over my stepson's high school applications.
The applications for high schools are more complex and difficult than the applications for colleges I remember in the late 80s.Another thing that's concerned me for some time is the near-complete absence of a positive vision of the future.
Such a vision can help one overcome any tribulation; the absence of one can make any tribulation seem crushing.
In the late 1930s, there were many such visions in play: the democratic republic were still a new idea in much of the world; that science could lead rapidly and directly to practical improvements in daily life was a new phenomenon; the labor movement was broadening its base and establishing its legitimacy; the several varieties of socialism were attracting mass followings; and, hideous as most now recognize it to be, fascism and totalitarianism were seen as visions for a future.Now, most visions of the future seem to be nothing more than the belief that if we overcome various threats, to the global environment in particular, we may continue to live as we do now, except maybe with better web browsers.
Even radicals seem to have very circumscribed visions of what may be accomplished.
So, the kids I meet seem to look forward to individual prosperity, or to helping forestall various potential crises, and that's it.
It's not much to lean on in times of trouble.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Relax folks our social norms have shifted</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263317700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>The biggest problem with the MMPI is that it is easy to abuse.  The test itself is a disturbing set of True/False questions. Google MMPI to see some samples.  They aren't joking, those are real questions.</p><p>One's answers are profiled against scales composed of how other groups answer the questions, including groups diagnosed with mental illnesses.  A quick way to generate a scholarly article is to propose a new category, profile that group with MMPI and show statistical differences.  A friend of mine did her entire dissertation on profiling gang members with the MMPI, and developing a index for one's liklihood to join a gang.</p><p>The MMPI is easy to administer, but difficult to interpret correctly.  It requires trained professionals. Often novices end up over-classifying someone as mentally ill.  In some states the administration of the MMPI is limited by law, since one can misuse it so easily.  So while it takes a lot of training to use the MMPI correctly, it takes very little to create a pop-psychology article with MMPI results.</p><p>Given changes in society over time, the MMPI norms do shift.  As a famous example, after the sexual revolution in the 70's the whole gender identification and sexual preference scales had to be completely re-worked.</p><p>Today, I know that there are people in the world who would like to kill me (Al Queda). I do hear sometimes voices in the room that only I can hear (when I'm using my cell phone).  I do know more job than my boss does.(He's a people manager; I'm an IT architect).  I do feel that something is going on right now that I should know about. My friends and family are often not happy with my career. (Because the job market is bad and they worry about me.)</p><p>Am I hypo-manic paranoid, with a touch of megalomania? Maybe that's just the way most people would answer a particular set MMPI questions today.  We have devices to spread information much faster, and different expectations about the immediacy of knowledge than in 1938.  So feeling the need for more information now is common, and not an indication of mental illness.</p><p>(And no, my bowels are not black and tarry, why do you keep asking, MMPI?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The biggest problem with the MMPI is that it is easy to abuse .
The test itself is a disturbing set of True/False questions .
Google MMPI to see some samples .
They are n't joking , those are real questions.One 's answers are profiled against scales composed of how other groups answer the questions , including groups diagnosed with mental illnesses .
A quick way to generate a scholarly article is to propose a new category , profile that group with MMPI and show statistical differences .
A friend of mine did her entire dissertation on profiling gang members with the MMPI , and developing a index for one 's liklihood to join a gang.The MMPI is easy to administer , but difficult to interpret correctly .
It requires trained professionals .
Often novices end up over-classifying someone as mentally ill. In some states the administration of the MMPI is limited by law , since one can misuse it so easily .
So while it takes a lot of training to use the MMPI correctly , it takes very little to create a pop-psychology article with MMPI results.Given changes in society over time , the MMPI norms do shift .
As a famous example , after the sexual revolution in the 70 's the whole gender identification and sexual preference scales had to be completely re-worked.Today , I know that there are people in the world who would like to kill me ( Al Queda ) .
I do hear sometimes voices in the room that only I can hear ( when I 'm using my cell phone ) .
I do know more job than my boss does .
( He 's a people manager ; I 'm an IT architect ) .
I do feel that something is going on right now that I should know about .
My friends and family are often not happy with my career .
( Because the job market is bad and they worry about me .
) Am I hypo-manic paranoid , with a touch of megalomania ?
Maybe that 's just the way most people would answer a particular set MMPI questions today .
We have devices to spread information much faster , and different expectations about the immediacy of knowledge than in 1938 .
So feeling the need for more information now is common , and not an indication of mental illness .
( And no , my bowels are not black and tarry , why do you keep asking , MMPI ?
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<sentencetext>The biggest problem with the MMPI is that it is easy to abuse.
The test itself is a disturbing set of True/False questions.
Google MMPI to see some samples.
They aren't joking, those are real questions.One's answers are profiled against scales composed of how other groups answer the questions, including groups diagnosed with mental illnesses.
A quick way to generate a scholarly article is to propose a new category, profile that group with MMPI and show statistical differences.
A friend of mine did her entire dissertation on profiling gang members with the MMPI, and developing a index for one's liklihood to join a gang.The MMPI is easy to administer, but difficult to interpret correctly.
It requires trained professionals.
Often novices end up over-classifying someone as mentally ill.  In some states the administration of the MMPI is limited by law, since one can misuse it so easily.
So while it takes a lot of training to use the MMPI correctly, it takes very little to create a pop-psychology article with MMPI results.Given changes in society over time, the MMPI norms do shift.
As a famous example, after the sexual revolution in the 70's the whole gender identification and sexual preference scales had to be completely re-worked.Today, I know that there are people in the world who would like to kill me (Al Queda).
I do hear sometimes voices in the room that only I can hear (when I'm using my cell phone).
I do know more job than my boss does.
(He's a people manager; I'm an IT architect).
I do feel that something is going on right now that I should know about.
My friends and family are often not happy with my career.
(Because the job market is bad and they worry about me.
)Am I hypo-manic paranoid, with a touch of megalomania?
Maybe that's just the way most people would answer a particular set MMPI questions today.
We have devices to spread information much faster, and different expectations about the immediacy of knowledge than in 1938.
So feeling the need for more information now is common, and not an indication of mental illness.
(And no, my bowels are not black and tarry, why do you keep asking, MMPI?
)</sentencetext>
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	<title>You get what you pay for.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263312660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I'd agree, although the excessive narcissism is probably the more significant root cause.</p><p>Since the 1960s (Surprised? No.) the emphasis on social promotion, 'feeling good about yourself', rewards for non-achievement, and a slippery sort of moral relativism all have combined to leave our children emotionally retarded, and frankly incapable of dealing with reality.</p><p>Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny, and evolution is fucking painful.  Deadly, in fact.  Remove the pain from growing up, and you end up with emotionally undeveloped people, with no ability to cope with hardship, no capacity to comprehend the shitty things life is going to inevitably hand them, and (seemingly) very little resilience to survive.</p><p>Go back and read Generation X.  His book describes the glimmerings of the future.  I'm 42 - a real GenX'er (turned 13 in 1980, graduated from college in 1990), and I see the beginnings of it in myself and my demographic.  Lack of ambition, ennui, a juvenile inability to focus, as well as a difficulty being happy with much of anything.  I'd attribute it in myself to a lack of hardship and challenge, and believe me it's a bastard to cope with on a day to day basis.</p><p>And yes, I'm aware that I'm essentially yelling "Get off my lawn!" but when I look at teens today, it's terrifying how basically ignorant they are, and how amazingly short their attention spans are.  They have a facility with electronics that amazes me, and I thought myself a fairly gadget-oriented guy.  I regard them as "ignorant" because they don't know basic facts of geography, history, or culture - but then if one is permanently connected (as this twittering generation pretty much assumes) does one really need to store facts in their wetware?  I think its necessary to have a basis of knowledge to understand the things going on around us, and to be usefully participatory adults, but then I'm old, I guess.</p><p>Oh, by the way, ROCK THE VOTE!!  Ha ha ha<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/cry.  And we thought we're screwed already....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd agree , although the excessive narcissism is probably the more significant root cause.Since the 1960s ( Surprised ?
No. ) the emphasis on social promotion , 'feeling good about yourself ' , rewards for non-achievement , and a slippery sort of moral relativism all have combined to leave our children emotionally retarded , and frankly incapable of dealing with reality.Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny , and evolution is fucking painful .
Deadly , in fact .
Remove the pain from growing up , and you end up with emotionally undeveloped people , with no ability to cope with hardship , no capacity to comprehend the shitty things life is going to inevitably hand them , and ( seemingly ) very little resilience to survive.Go back and read Generation X. His book describes the glimmerings of the future .
I 'm 42 - a real GenX'er ( turned 13 in 1980 , graduated from college in 1990 ) , and I see the beginnings of it in myself and my demographic .
Lack of ambition , ennui , a juvenile inability to focus , as well as a difficulty being happy with much of anything .
I 'd attribute it in myself to a lack of hardship and challenge , and believe me it 's a bastard to cope with on a day to day basis.And yes , I 'm aware that I 'm essentially yelling " Get off my lawn !
" but when I look at teens today , it 's terrifying how basically ignorant they are , and how amazingly short their attention spans are .
They have a facility with electronics that amazes me , and I thought myself a fairly gadget-oriented guy .
I regard them as " ignorant " because they do n't know basic facts of geography , history , or culture - but then if one is permanently connected ( as this twittering generation pretty much assumes ) does one really need to store facts in their wetware ?
I think its necessary to have a basis of knowledge to understand the things going on around us , and to be usefully participatory adults , but then I 'm old , I guess.Oh , by the way , ROCK THE VOTE ! !
Ha ha ha /cry .
And we thought we 're screwed already... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd agree, although the excessive narcissism is probably the more significant root cause.Since the 1960s (Surprised?
No.) the emphasis on social promotion, 'feeling good about yourself', rewards for non-achievement, and a slippery sort of moral relativism all have combined to leave our children emotionally retarded, and frankly incapable of dealing with reality.Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny, and evolution is fucking painful.
Deadly, in fact.
Remove the pain from growing up, and you end up with emotionally undeveloped people, with no ability to cope with hardship, no capacity to comprehend the shitty things life is going to inevitably hand them, and (seemingly) very little resilience to survive.Go back and read Generation X.  His book describes the glimmerings of the future.
I'm 42 - a real GenX'er (turned 13 in 1980, graduated from college in 1990), and I see the beginnings of it in myself and my demographic.
Lack of ambition, ennui, a juvenile inability to focus, as well as a difficulty being happy with much of anything.
I'd attribute it in myself to a lack of hardship and challenge, and believe me it's a bastard to cope with on a day to day basis.And yes, I'm aware that I'm essentially yelling "Get off my lawn!
" but when I look at teens today, it's terrifying how basically ignorant they are, and how amazingly short their attention spans are.
They have a facility with electronics that amazes me, and I thought myself a fairly gadget-oriented guy.
I regard them as "ignorant" because they don't know basic facts of geography, history, or culture - but then if one is permanently connected (as this twittering generation pretty much assumes) does one really need to store facts in their wetware?
I think its necessary to have a basis of knowledge to understand the things going on around us, and to be usefully participatory adults, but then I'm old, I guess.Oh, by the way, ROCK THE VOTE!!
Ha ha ha /cry.
And we thought we're screwed already....</sentencetext>
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	<title>i blame culture</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263318840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>dungeons and dragons and twilight have ruined society.</htmltext>
<tokenext>dungeons and dragons and twilight have ruined society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dungeons and dragons and twilight have ruined society.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Hypomania and mania are not "happy"</title>
	<author>kramerd</author>
	<datestamp>1263293040000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Except that all of that is irrelevant to the fact that mental illness is overdiagnosed. The people who actually have problems aren't being ignored. Those are generally obvious, and the ones that aren't can still tell that something isnt quite right. If it was just borderline cases that were overprescribed, I would be OK with it. Its the ones who don't have issues but get medication that are the problem.</p><p>I went to public school and was socially inept. Luckily, my parents were smart enough to recognize that I was just smarter than my peers, not mentally incompetent. This probably happened because my father is a psychiatrist, not a psychologist.</p><p>Its not because a company makes money that kids should go off drugs. Its because they dont need drugs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that all of that is irrelevant to the fact that mental illness is overdiagnosed .
The people who actually have problems are n't being ignored .
Those are generally obvious , and the ones that are n't can still tell that something isnt quite right .
If it was just borderline cases that were overprescribed , I would be OK with it .
Its the ones who do n't have issues but get medication that are the problem.I went to public school and was socially inept .
Luckily , my parents were smart enough to recognize that I was just smarter than my peers , not mentally incompetent .
This probably happened because my father is a psychiatrist , not a psychologist.Its not because a company makes money that kids should go off drugs .
Its because they dont need drugs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that all of that is irrelevant to the fact that mental illness is overdiagnosed.
The people who actually have problems aren't being ignored.
Those are generally obvious, and the ones that aren't can still tell that something isnt quite right.
If it was just borderline cases that were overprescribed, I would be OK with it.
Its the ones who don't have issues but get medication that are the problem.I went to public school and was socially inept.
Luckily, my parents were smart enough to recognize that I was just smarter than my peers, not mentally incompetent.
This probably happened because my father is a psychiatrist, not a psychologist.Its not because a company makes money that kids should go off drugs.
Its because they dont need drugs.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:You get what you pay for.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263317100000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny</p><p>What does evolution being "replayed" during a mammal's gestation period have to do with anything?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ontogeny recapitulates phylogenyWhat does evolution being " replayed " during a mammal 's gestation period have to do with anything ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ontogeny recapitulates phylogenyWhat does evolution being "replayed" during a mammal's gestation period have to do with anything?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What a useless comparison</title>
	<author>tedgyz</author>
	<datestamp>1263327420000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Thank you for saying so well what I was thinking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you for saying so well what I was thinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you for saying so well what I was thinking.</sentencetext>
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	<title>You are more right then you know.</title>
	<author>merauder</author>
	<datestamp>1263384420000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I worked on a contract at a university for a psychology dept. The OCD prof suffered from it himself, the former gambler taught about addictions.  The woman prof who taught early child development couldn't have kids of her own, etc etc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked on a contract at a university for a psychology dept .
The OCD prof suffered from it himself , the former gambler taught about addictions .
The woman prof who taught early child development could n't have kids of her own , etc etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked on a contract at a university for a psychology dept.
The OCD prof suffered from it himself, the former gambler taught about addictions.
The woman prof who taught early child development couldn't have kids of her own, etc etc.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30737488</id>
	<title>YUO FAIL IT...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263313320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>and shower. For paranoid conspirAcy networking test.</htmltext>
<tokenext>and shower .
For paranoid conspirAcy networking test .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and shower.
For paranoid conspirAcy networking test.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30738266</id>
	<title>A word from the young</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263316260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a college age student who was raised in a family that taught the value of working hard and doing well in school (without meds or coddling, thank you very much) I have seen the progression of my generation first hand. I think that causes of depression aren't so much that we expect things to go easily (though it maybe for other peers, I can only speak for myself), but that we're being forced to grow up in a world where the emphasis seems to be on the wrong things.<br>High school classes are aimed at getting good grades rather than learning.<br>Kids aren't taught to take responsibility for their actions, so for the few that do actually take responsibility it's hard to look around and see a bunch of jerks your age effing off, getting good grades regardless but uneducated.<br>We're sent off to college, start degrees and, only being able to pay for so many classes, are stuck with our one option - whether or not it's actually what's right.<br>It seems as if no one (or the school financial/scholarship system) will let it be acceptable to take off a year to work or to do a vocational skill (like being an electrician, a plumber, etc). For some reason the emphasis is on going through college as quickly as possible and working in your field right off the bat. I understand a parent's desire for their child to succeed, but how many top-level executives do we really need if kids are fine being lower level execs?<br>The people who are depressed are the ones who are actually seeing the bullshit that is going on around them and are trying to be serious about their education.</p><p>That aside, college is awkward. It's a time to grow up, usually the hard way. It's just that during the time it seems like you're the only person going through it. I'd say that most people in college go through at least one depressive stage - it's just that now we have a name for it.<br>If people would take a moment to step back and stop obsessing over the motions, would talk (in person, please) one-on-one and had a little faith in honesty, you wouldn't need shrinks and pills, you could actually talk to a friend/mentor and put things in perspective.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a college age student who was raised in a family that taught the value of working hard and doing well in school ( without meds or coddling , thank you very much ) I have seen the progression of my generation first hand .
I think that causes of depression are n't so much that we expect things to go easily ( though it maybe for other peers , I can only speak for myself ) , but that we 're being forced to grow up in a world where the emphasis seems to be on the wrong things.High school classes are aimed at getting good grades rather than learning.Kids are n't taught to take responsibility for their actions , so for the few that do actually take responsibility it 's hard to look around and see a bunch of jerks your age effing off , getting good grades regardless but uneducated.We 're sent off to college , start degrees and , only being able to pay for so many classes , are stuck with our one option - whether or not it 's actually what 's right.It seems as if no one ( or the school financial/scholarship system ) will let it be acceptable to take off a year to work or to do a vocational skill ( like being an electrician , a plumber , etc ) .
For some reason the emphasis is on going through college as quickly as possible and working in your field right off the bat .
I understand a parent 's desire for their child to succeed , but how many top-level executives do we really need if kids are fine being lower level execs ? The people who are depressed are the ones who are actually seeing the bullshit that is going on around them and are trying to be serious about their education.That aside , college is awkward .
It 's a time to grow up , usually the hard way .
It 's just that during the time it seems like you 're the only person going through it .
I 'd say that most people in college go through at least one depressive stage - it 's just that now we have a name for it.If people would take a moment to step back and stop obsessing over the motions , would talk ( in person , please ) one-on-one and had a little faith in honesty , you would n't need shrinks and pills , you could actually talk to a friend/mentor and put things in perspective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a college age student who was raised in a family that taught the value of working hard and doing well in school (without meds or coddling, thank you very much) I have seen the progression of my generation first hand.
I think that causes of depression aren't so much that we expect things to go easily (though it maybe for other peers, I can only speak for myself), but that we're being forced to grow up in a world where the emphasis seems to be on the wrong things.High school classes are aimed at getting good grades rather than learning.Kids aren't taught to take responsibility for their actions, so for the few that do actually take responsibility it's hard to look around and see a bunch of jerks your age effing off, getting good grades regardless but uneducated.We're sent off to college, start degrees and, only being able to pay for so many classes, are stuck with our one option - whether or not it's actually what's right.It seems as if no one (or the school financial/scholarship system) will let it be acceptable to take off a year to work or to do a vocational skill (like being an electrician, a plumber, etc).
For some reason the emphasis is on going through college as quickly as possible and working in your field right off the bat.
I understand a parent's desire for their child to succeed, but how many top-level executives do we really need if kids are fine being lower level execs?The people who are depressed are the ones who are actually seeing the bullshit that is going on around them and are trying to be serious about their education.That aside, college is awkward.
It's a time to grow up, usually the hard way.
It's just that during the time it seems like you're the only person going through it.
I'd say that most people in college go through at least one depressive stage - it's just that now we have a name for it.If people would take a moment to step back and stop obsessing over the motions, would talk (in person, please) one-on-one and had a little faith in honesty, you wouldn't need shrinks and pills, you could actually talk to a friend/mentor and put things in perspective.</sentencetext>
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	<title>The Criticisms as Outlined in the Article</title>
	<author>eldavojohn</author>
	<datestamp>1263310920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Before you hop all over this like we love to, keep in mind that the article does a pretty good job of representing the skeptical side of this study:<p><div class="quote"><p>Though the study, released Monday, does not provide a definitive correlation, Twenge and mental health professionals speculate that a popular culture increasingly focused on the external - from wealth to looks and status - has contributed to the uptick in mental health issues.</p></div><p>And also:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The study is not without its skeptics, among them Richard Shadick, a psychologist who directs the counsellingcentre at Pace University in New York. He says, for instance, that the sample data weren't necessarily representative of all college students. (<b>Many who answered the MMPI questionnaire were students in introductory psychology courses at four-year institutions.</b>)</p></div><p>I have a cute anecdote about a friend who graduated with a psychology degree and left her job as an assistant to become a grade school teacher because most of the psychologists at the Manhattan practice had more psychological problems than their patients.<br> <br>
Emphasis mine.  Now, another interesting thing about Jean Twenge is that the books she writes <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/fashion/17narcissism.html?\_r=1" title="nytimes.com">aren't universally accepted by her peers</a> [nytimes.com]:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>"Generation Me" inspired a slew of articles in the popular press with headlines like "It&rsquo;s all about me," "Superflagilistic, Extra Egotistic" and "Big Babies: Think the Boomers are self-absorbed? Wait until you meet their kids." </p><p>Ms. Twenge is working  on another book with W. Keith Campbell of the <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/u/university\_of\_georgia/index.html?inline=nyt-org" title="nytimes.com">University of Georgia</a> [nytimes.com], this one tentatively called "The Narcissism Epidemic."  </p><p>However, some scholars  argue that a spike in selfishness among young people is, like the story of Narcissus, a myth. </p><p>"It&rsquo;s like a cottage industry of putting them down and complaining about them and whining about why they don&rsquo;t grow up," said Jeffrey Jensen Arnett, a developmental psychologist, referring to young Americans. Mr. Arnett, the author of "Emerging Adulthood: The Winding Road From the Late Teens through the Twenties" (2004, Oxford University Press), has written a critique of Ms. Twenge&rsquo;s book, which is to be published in the American Journal of Psychology. </p></div><p>Granted you could claim that this is just one example of two camps infighting in a field that plagues even physics and hard sciences but I think it's important to realize that this study might be a little self serving.  Personally I share two concerns.  The first being similar to Shadick's in that I'm not sure how these two studies were normalized samples and the second questioning if we have any idea what the 'norm' is for these 'diseases.'  How subjective is this test and would a variance of 1\% to 6\% for depression be unrealistic if we knew that it's been as high as 10\% at other points in time between 1938 and 2007?  <br> <br>

The curmudgeon in me wants to chalk this up to kids having it too good these days.  No polio to worry about, no eight hour shifts to support the family and more information swarming them.  A lot of today's youth have the luxury of being diagnosed with hypomania.  Now I know that there are serious cases of depression and always have been<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but sometimes I encounter a youth who says, "My boyfriend just broke up with me and now I sit in my room and listen to depressing music."  And they (or their over protective parents) think they need medication for that.  They don't.  Sounds to me like they need to be picking rock and bailing hay to help take their mind off that.  We're overmedicated as it is.  If Ms. Twenge continues to push this idea it might just get worse.  How many people read news of this study and though "maybe my kid needs to see a psychologist for depression?"  It's hard to look past this and assume the motives for this study are pure.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Before you hop all over this like we love to , keep in mind that the article does a pretty good job of representing the skeptical side of this study : Though the study , released Monday , does not provide a definitive correlation , Twenge and mental health professionals speculate that a popular culture increasingly focused on the external - from wealth to looks and status - has contributed to the uptick in mental health issues.And also : The study is not without its skeptics , among them Richard Shadick , a psychologist who directs the counsellingcentre at Pace University in New York .
He says , for instance , that the sample data were n't necessarily representative of all college students .
( Many who answered the MMPI questionnaire were students in introductory psychology courses at four-year institutions .
) I have a cute anecdote about a friend who graduated with a psychology degree and left her job as an assistant to become a grade school teacher because most of the psychologists at the Manhattan practice had more psychological problems than their patients .
Emphasis mine .
Now , another interesting thing about Jean Twenge is that the books she writes are n't universally accepted by her peers [ nytimes.com ] : " Generation Me " inspired a slew of articles in the popular press with headlines like " It    s all about me , " " Superflagilistic , Extra Egotistic " and " Big Babies : Think the Boomers are self-absorbed ?
Wait until you meet their kids .
" Ms. Twenge is working on another book with W. Keith Campbell of the University of Georgia [ nytimes.com ] , this one tentatively called " The Narcissism Epidemic .
" However , some scholars argue that a spike in selfishness among young people is , like the story of Narcissus , a myth .
" It    s like a cottage industry of putting them down and complaining about them and whining about why they don    t grow up , " said Jeffrey Jensen Arnett , a developmental psychologist , referring to young Americans .
Mr. Arnett , the author of " Emerging Adulthood : The Winding Road From the Late Teens through the Twenties " ( 2004 , Oxford University Press ) , has written a critique of Ms. Twenge    s book , which is to be published in the American Journal of Psychology .
Granted you could claim that this is just one example of two camps infighting in a field that plagues even physics and hard sciences but I think it 's important to realize that this study might be a little self serving .
Personally I share two concerns .
The first being similar to Shadick 's in that I 'm not sure how these two studies were normalized samples and the second questioning if we have any idea what the 'norm ' is for these 'diseases .
' How subjective is this test and would a variance of 1 \ % to 6 \ % for depression be unrealistic if we knew that it 's been as high as 10 \ % at other points in time between 1938 and 2007 ?
The curmudgeon in me wants to chalk this up to kids having it too good these days .
No polio to worry about , no eight hour shifts to support the family and more information swarming them .
A lot of today 's youth have the luxury of being diagnosed with hypomania .
Now I know that there are serious cases of depression and always have been ... but sometimes I encounter a youth who says , " My boyfriend just broke up with me and now I sit in my room and listen to depressing music .
" And they ( or their over protective parents ) think they need medication for that .
They do n't .
Sounds to me like they need to be picking rock and bailing hay to help take their mind off that .
We 're overmedicated as it is .
If Ms. Twenge continues to push this idea it might just get worse .
How many people read news of this study and though " maybe my kid needs to see a psychologist for depression ?
" It 's hard to look past this and assume the motives for this study are pure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Before you hop all over this like we love to, keep in mind that the article does a pretty good job of representing the skeptical side of this study:Though the study, released Monday, does not provide a definitive correlation, Twenge and mental health professionals speculate that a popular culture increasingly focused on the external - from wealth to looks and status - has contributed to the uptick in mental health issues.And also:The study is not without its skeptics, among them Richard Shadick, a psychologist who directs the counsellingcentre at Pace University in New York.
He says, for instance, that the sample data weren't necessarily representative of all college students.
(Many who answered the MMPI questionnaire were students in introductory psychology courses at four-year institutions.
)I have a cute anecdote about a friend who graduated with a psychology degree and left her job as an assistant to become a grade school teacher because most of the psychologists at the Manhattan practice had more psychological problems than their patients.
Emphasis mine.
Now, another interesting thing about Jean Twenge is that the books she writes aren't universally accepted by her peers [nytimes.com]:"Generation Me" inspired a slew of articles in the popular press with headlines like "It’s all about me," "Superflagilistic, Extra Egotistic" and "Big Babies: Think the Boomers are self-absorbed?
Wait until you meet their kids.
" Ms. Twenge is working  on another book with W. Keith Campbell of the University of Georgia [nytimes.com], this one tentatively called "The Narcissism Epidemic.
"  However, some scholars  argue that a spike in selfishness among young people is, like the story of Narcissus, a myth.
"It’s like a cottage industry of putting them down and complaining about them and whining about why they don’t grow up," said Jeffrey Jensen Arnett, a developmental psychologist, referring to young Americans.
Mr. Arnett, the author of "Emerging Adulthood: The Winding Road From the Late Teens through the Twenties" (2004, Oxford University Press), has written a critique of Ms. Twenge’s book, which is to be published in the American Journal of Psychology.
Granted you could claim that this is just one example of two camps infighting in a field that plagues even physics and hard sciences but I think it's important to realize that this study might be a little self serving.
Personally I share two concerns.
The first being similar to Shadick's in that I'm not sure how these two studies were normalized samples and the second questioning if we have any idea what the 'norm' is for these 'diseases.
'  How subjective is this test and would a variance of 1\% to 6\% for depression be unrealistic if we knew that it's been as high as 10\% at other points in time between 1938 and 2007?
The curmudgeon in me wants to chalk this up to kids having it too good these days.
No polio to worry about, no eight hour shifts to support the family and more information swarming them.
A lot of today's youth have the luxury of being diagnosed with hypomania.
Now I know that there are serious cases of depression and always have been ... but sometimes I encounter a youth who says, "My boyfriend just broke up with me and now I sit in my room and listen to depressing music.
"  And they (or their over protective parents) think they need medication for that.
They don't.
Sounds to me like they need to be picking rock and bailing hay to help take their mind off that.
We're overmedicated as it is.
If Ms. Twenge continues to push this idea it might just get worse.
How many people read news of this study and though "maybe my kid needs to see a psychologist for depression?
"  It's hard to look past this and assume the motives for this study are pure.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30737104</id>
	<title>More or...?</title>
	<author>RyuuzakiTetsuya</author>
	<datestamp>1263311760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think another weakness of this article is the fact that reporting is *much* better now than it was in the 30's.  Like how the autism rates are shooting up.  More and better reporting, not more afflicted people.</p><p>Life isn't very mentally healthy, in general.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think another weakness of this article is the fact that reporting is * much * better now than it was in the 30 's .
Like how the autism rates are shooting up .
More and better reporting , not more afflicted people.Life is n't very mentally healthy , in general .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think another weakness of this article is the fact that reporting is *much* better now than it was in the 30's.
Like how the autism rates are shooting up.
More and better reporting, not more afflicted people.Life isn't very mentally healthy, in general.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30737878</id>
	<title>That's because...</title>
	<author>rgviza</author>
	<datestamp>1263314880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There have been a lot of mental diseases invented between 1938 and now.</p><p>My non professional opinion is that they are mostly all the same disease. It's called "the human condition".</p><p>Life sucks and everyone is different. When a common coping mechanism, which is viewed as negative, is found in lots of people BINGO! New disease, new drug created to treat it, $$$$! This is not exactly a good thing unless you own a drug company or get paid $200 an hour to be their friend.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There have been a lot of mental diseases invented between 1938 and now.My non professional opinion is that they are mostly all the same disease .
It 's called " the human condition " .Life sucks and everyone is different .
When a common coping mechanism , which is viewed as negative , is found in lots of people BINGO !
New disease , new drug created to treat it , $ $ $ $ !
This is not exactly a good thing unless you own a drug company or get paid $ 200 an hour to be their friend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There have been a lot of mental diseases invented between 1938 and now.My non professional opinion is that they are mostly all the same disease.
It's called "the human condition".Life sucks and everyone is different.
When a common coping mechanism, which is viewed as negative, is found in lots of people BINGO!
New disease, new drug created to treat it, $$$$!
This is not exactly a good thing unless you own a drug company or get paid $200 an hour to be their friend.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30737208</id>
	<title>It's the cheese!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263312120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Correlate the results against cheese consumption.  No really!</p><p>Cheese is mostly the protein casein.  And that is molecularly similar to... wait for it... morphine.  As is gluten.  So people are getting low level opiate hits when they eat cheese or wheat.  There are stories of a gluten free, casein free diet helping people diagnosed with schizophrenia.</p><p>Cheese was pretty rare in the American diet in the 20s.  But Velveeta introduced a shelf stable, consistent 'cheese' and made in-roads into the American diet.  As refrigeration became more common, people started trying more kinds of cheese.  Throw in a big advertizing budget and some cozy ties with the government, and cheese has been on the rise for years.  I read the history of cheese in an "Invention and Technology" article a while back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Correlate the results against cheese consumption .
No really ! Cheese is mostly the protein casein .
And that is molecularly similar to... wait for it... morphine. As is gluten .
So people are getting low level opiate hits when they eat cheese or wheat .
There are stories of a gluten free , casein free diet helping people diagnosed with schizophrenia.Cheese was pretty rare in the American diet in the 20s .
But Velveeta introduced a shelf stable , consistent 'cheese ' and made in-roads into the American diet .
As refrigeration became more common , people started trying more kinds of cheese .
Throw in a big advertizing budget and some cozy ties with the government , and cheese has been on the rise for years .
I read the history of cheese in an " Invention and Technology " article a while back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Correlate the results against cheese consumption.
No really!Cheese is mostly the protein casein.
And that is molecularly similar to... wait for it... morphine.  As is gluten.
So people are getting low level opiate hits when they eat cheese or wheat.
There are stories of a gluten free, casein free diet helping people diagnosed with schizophrenia.Cheese was pretty rare in the American diet in the 20s.
But Velveeta introduced a shelf stable, consistent 'cheese' and made in-roads into the American diet.
As refrigeration became more common, people started trying more kinds of cheese.
Throw in a big advertizing budget and some cozy ties with the government, and cheese has been on the rise for years.
I read the history of cheese in an "Invention and Technology" article a while back.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30738630</id>
	<title>Re:You get what you pay for.</title>
	<author>colmore</author>
	<datestamp>1263317460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lack of hardship may be a common trait among slashdot posters and the less than half of americans who go to college, but don't doubt that there's still a great amount of hardship going around and a whole lot of people still live in dire poverty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lack of hardship may be a common trait among slashdot posters and the less than half of americans who go to college , but do n't doubt that there 's still a great amount of hardship going around and a whole lot of people still live in dire poverty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lack of hardship may be a common trait among slashdot posters and the less than half of americans who go to college, but don't doubt that there's still a great amount of hardship going around and a whole lot of people still live in dire poverty.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30737440</id>
	<title>Re:The Criticisms as Outlined in the Article</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1263313020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In a psychology class I took in college, the instructor said "there isn't a psychologist alive that doesn't have another psychologist calling him a gold plated liar."</p><p>I suspect many if not most psycologists study psychology to find an answer to their own mental health problems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a psychology class I took in college , the instructor said " there is n't a psychologist alive that does n't have another psychologist calling him a gold plated liar .
" I suspect many if not most psycologists study psychology to find an answer to their own mental health problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a psychology class I took in college, the instructor said "there isn't a psychologist alive that doesn't have another psychologist calling him a gold plated liar.
"I suspect many if not most psycologists study psychology to find an answer to their own mental health problems.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30738968</id>
	<title>Parenting: The problem ... and solution</title>
	<author>Hellasboy</author>
	<datestamp>1263318540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is just my idea why more children exhibit issues with anxiety and other mental issues.<br>I believe it's because of the overparenting kids have had in the last 20-30 years. Kids don't learn disappointment, they don't learn failure. We tell them that they are all special. These kids are growing up so afraid to fail and take risks that when they inevitably fail; their ego, psyche, whatever just crashes. Their just so overloaded with these emotions that would have been dealt with if they had failed before. They've grown up with their parents/government/teachers/anyone elder caring for them to the point where they can't do anything for themselves. There are lucky ones who reject this over coddling but they are the exception.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is just my idea why more children exhibit issues with anxiety and other mental issues.I believe it 's because of the overparenting kids have had in the last 20-30 years .
Kids do n't learn disappointment , they do n't learn failure .
We tell them that they are all special .
These kids are growing up so afraid to fail and take risks that when they inevitably fail ; their ego , psyche , whatever just crashes .
Their just so overloaded with these emotions that would have been dealt with if they had failed before .
They 've grown up with their parents/government/teachers/anyone elder caring for them to the point where they ca n't do anything for themselves .
There are lucky ones who reject this over coddling but they are the exception .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is just my idea why more children exhibit issues with anxiety and other mental issues.I believe it's because of the overparenting kids have had in the last 20-30 years.
Kids don't learn disappointment, they don't learn failure.
We tell them that they are all special.
These kids are growing up so afraid to fail and take risks that when they inevitably fail; their ego, psyche, whatever just crashes.
Their just so overloaded with these emotions that would have been dealt with if they had failed before.
They've grown up with their parents/government/teachers/anyone elder caring for them to the point where they can't do anything for themselves.
There are lucky ones who reject this over coddling but they are the exception.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What about Europe and Asia?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263314700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>We have big problems in the UK, partly because we've followed a lot of the stupidity from the USA (you are great in other ways though, I'm not slagging you off). Many other EU countries have far fewer problems because they prioritise things like community and happiness, not just money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have big problems in the UK , partly because we 've followed a lot of the stupidity from the USA ( you are great in other ways though , I 'm not slagging you off ) .
Many other EU countries have far fewer problems because they prioritise things like community and happiness , not just money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have big problems in the UK, partly because we've followed a lot of the stupidity from the USA (you are great in other ways though, I'm not slagging you off).
Many other EU countries have far fewer problems because they prioritise things like community and happiness, not just money.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What about Europe and Asia?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263315060000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Asia? Most Asian countries are too busy for this kind of silly stuff. Just a US was in the '30s.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Asia ?
Most Asian countries are too busy for this kind of silly stuff .
Just a US was in the '30s .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Asia?
Most Asian countries are too busy for this kind of silly stuff.
Just a US was in the '30s.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Greater Knowledge</title>
	<author>minvaren</author>
	<datestamp>1263314940000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>As a professor I had once said, "depression existed before 1950 - they called it alcoholism."</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a professor I had once said , " depression existed before 1950 - they called it alcoholism .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a professor I had once said, "depression existed before 1950 - they called it alcoholism.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30741416</id>
	<title>The school system is to blame...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263327660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>School systems today are more or less prisons. Every moment there you have to worry about being bullied. Given the overcrowding and overly apathetic teachers and school administrators it's no wonder anxiety is such a problem. I remember every day walking home I had to wonder if I was going to be attacked or harassed by one of the gangs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>School systems today are more or less prisons .
Every moment there you have to worry about being bullied .
Given the overcrowding and overly apathetic teachers and school administrators it 's no wonder anxiety is such a problem .
I remember every day walking home I had to wonder if I was going to be attacked or harassed by one of the gangs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>School systems today are more or less prisons.
Every moment there you have to worry about being bullied.
Given the overcrowding and overly apathetic teachers and school administrators it's no wonder anxiety is such a problem.
I remember every day walking home I had to wonder if I was going to be attacked or harassed by one of the gangs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30745264</id>
	<title>Youth are the same as they were</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263303540000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Isn't it more likely that rather than their being more youth's with mental problems, that there are simply more diagnosed cases due to better diagnosis, or in some people's view, over diagnosis?<br>A lot of psychologists have the view that there are the same amount of children with aspergers now then there were 40 years ago, however diagnosed cases have gone up, simply because it is better recognised now then it was in the past. You don't see the same amount of aspergers as adults because people with aspergers improve their social skills as they age (More so than non-aspergers, who usually plane out some time in their 20's), My dad reckons he had aspergers as a kid, but the diagnosis wasn't there because he never did quite understand social norms, and yet each year of his life, continuing right to this day he gradually improved his social skills, and reckons that he didn't get rid of it to a degree or no one noticing until mid 20's. I meet a lot of people every day who when you delve into their childhood talk about having some form of undiagnosed psychological problems like aspergers, or depression. However today it's a lot more common for a child to be diagnosed at the drop of a hat.</p><p>My point is basically that diagnosis for psychological problems was definitely not what it was nowadays. How can you compare the times?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't it more likely that rather than their being more youth 's with mental problems , that there are simply more diagnosed cases due to better diagnosis , or in some people 's view , over diagnosis ? A lot of psychologists have the view that there are the same amount of children with aspergers now then there were 40 years ago , however diagnosed cases have gone up , simply because it is better recognised now then it was in the past .
You do n't see the same amount of aspergers as adults because people with aspergers improve their social skills as they age ( More so than non-aspergers , who usually plane out some time in their 20 's ) , My dad reckons he had aspergers as a kid , but the diagnosis was n't there because he never did quite understand social norms , and yet each year of his life , continuing right to this day he gradually improved his social skills , and reckons that he did n't get rid of it to a degree or no one noticing until mid 20 's .
I meet a lot of people every day who when you delve into their childhood talk about having some form of undiagnosed psychological problems like aspergers , or depression .
However today it 's a lot more common for a child to be diagnosed at the drop of a hat.My point is basically that diagnosis for psychological problems was definitely not what it was nowadays .
How can you compare the times ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't it more likely that rather than their being more youth's with mental problems, that there are simply more diagnosed cases due to better diagnosis, or in some people's view, over diagnosis?A lot of psychologists have the view that there are the same amount of children with aspergers now then there were 40 years ago, however diagnosed cases have gone up, simply because it is better recognised now then it was in the past.
You don't see the same amount of aspergers as adults because people with aspergers improve their social skills as they age (More so than non-aspergers, who usually plane out some time in their 20's), My dad reckons he had aspergers as a kid, but the diagnosis wasn't there because he never did quite understand social norms, and yet each year of his life, continuing right to this day he gradually improved his social skills, and reckons that he didn't get rid of it to a degree or no one noticing until mid 20's.
I meet a lot of people every day who when you delve into their childhood talk about having some form of undiagnosed psychological problems like aspergers, or depression.
However today it's a lot more common for a child to be diagnosed at the drop of a hat.My point is basically that diagnosis for psychological problems was definitely not what it was nowadays.
How can you compare the times?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Has anyone considered the possibility...</title>
	<author>hallux.sinister</author>
	<datestamp>1263396000000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That something is different now, environmentally?  Maybe the kids haven't changed, and if you took a time-machine, and grabbed pre-teens from the depression-era and dropped them into, well, now, you might end up with kids having the same problems.
<p>
Between immense changes in diet, the radical changes in culture, degradation of the quality of the air they've grown up breathing, (in the last 20 years, versus 80-100 years ago,) the near non-potability of most American municipal water supplies, all manner of heavy metals making it into their brains from aluminum leaching out of their soda cans, to fugitive dust containing toxic, carcinogenic, and even occasionally radioactive materials, it's a wonder their turning out as well as they are.
</p><p>
I've read a lot of posts here on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. under this heading that suggests kids today are whiny, bitchy, spoiled brats, who should not exhibit signs of mental illness, implying being susceptible to such problems as a weakness, or form of character flaw -- as if they're doing this on purpose.  To those of you who think that, before you call kids today 'pussies' for having all manner of mental problems, consider there may be other possible causes beyond their individual or collective control.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That something is different now , environmentally ?
Maybe the kids have n't changed , and if you took a time-machine , and grabbed pre-teens from the depression-era and dropped them into , well , now , you might end up with kids having the same problems .
Between immense changes in diet , the radical changes in culture , degradation of the quality of the air they 've grown up breathing , ( in the last 20 years , versus 80-100 years ago , ) the near non-potability of most American municipal water supplies , all manner of heavy metals making it into their brains from aluminum leaching out of their soda cans , to fugitive dust containing toxic , carcinogenic , and even occasionally radioactive materials , it 's a wonder their turning out as well as they are .
I 've read a lot of posts here on / .
under this heading that suggests kids today are whiny , bitchy , spoiled brats , who should not exhibit signs of mental illness , implying being susceptible to such problems as a weakness , or form of character flaw -- as if they 're doing this on purpose .
To those of you who think that , before you call kids today 'pussies ' for having all manner of mental problems , consider there may be other possible causes beyond their individual or collective control .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That something is different now, environmentally?
Maybe the kids haven't changed, and if you took a time-machine, and grabbed pre-teens from the depression-era and dropped them into, well, now, you might end up with kids having the same problems.
Between immense changes in diet, the radical changes in culture, degradation of the quality of the air they've grown up breathing, (in the last 20 years, versus 80-100 years ago,) the near non-potability of most American municipal water supplies, all manner of heavy metals making it into their brains from aluminum leaching out of their soda cans, to fugitive dust containing toxic, carcinogenic, and even occasionally radioactive materials, it's a wonder their turning out as well as they are.
I've read a lot of posts here on /.
under this heading that suggests kids today are whiny, bitchy, spoiled brats, who should not exhibit signs of mental illness, implying being susceptible to such problems as a weakness, or form of character flaw -- as if they're doing this on purpose.
To those of you who think that, before you call kids today 'pussies' for having all manner of mental problems, consider there may be other possible causes beyond their individual or collective control.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:The Criticisms as Outlined in the Article</title>
	<author>rizole</author>
	<datestamp>1263299040000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll second that. I did it myself and it did me a world of good. (Also, co-incidentally, saving me a lot of money in tharapy fees.)<br> <br>I ended up married a counsellor. Luckyly we'd both mostly sorted ourselves out before hooking up so the whole dysfunctional co-dependancy thing was not much of an issue but because of the circles we've both moved through through the years, I've known a lot of these people; and a majority of them seem to be self selected borderline nutso gaga, in it for the fix and sometimes quite open about thier own little screwball tendancies; using social situations with thier peers as some kind of opportunity for ongoing theraputic work. <p> Me? Well I used to have a split personality but we're both alright now.<i>*twitch, twitch, spasm*</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll second that .
I did it myself and it did me a world of good .
( Also , co-incidentally , saving me a lot of money in tharapy fees .
) I ended up married a counsellor .
Luckyly we 'd both mostly sorted ourselves out before hooking up so the whole dysfunctional co-dependancy thing was not much of an issue but because of the circles we 've both moved through through the years , I 've known a lot of these people ; and a majority of them seem to be self selected borderline nutso gaga , in it for the fix and sometimes quite open about thier own little screwball tendancies ; using social situations with thier peers as some kind of opportunity for ongoing theraputic work .
Me ? Well I used to have a split personality but we 're both alright now .
* twitch , twitch , spasm *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll second that.
I did it myself and it did me a world of good.
(Also, co-incidentally, saving me a lot of money in tharapy fees.
) I ended up married a counsellor.
Luckyly we'd both mostly sorted ourselves out before hooking up so the whole dysfunctional co-dependancy thing was not much of an issue but because of the circles we've both moved through through the years, I've known a lot of these people; and a majority of them seem to be self selected borderline nutso gaga, in it for the fix and sometimes quite open about thier own little screwball tendancies; using social situations with thier peers as some kind of opportunity for ongoing theraputic work.
Me? Well I used to have a split personality but we're both alright now.
*twitch, twitch, spasm*</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Hypomania and mania are not "happy"</title>
	<author>AbRASiON</author>
	<datestamp>1263398700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Really depends on the person pal, I can assure you when I'm in mania, god I wish I could stay there. It's too good to be true (literally) the other side, that is so vastly worse it's not even funny.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really depends on the person pal , I can assure you when I 'm in mania , god I wish I could stay there .
It 's too good to be true ( literally ) the other side , that is so vastly worse it 's not even funny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really depends on the person pal, I can assure you when I'm in mania, god I wish I could stay there.
It's too good to be true (literally) the other side, that is so vastly worse it's not even funny.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Just maybe...</title>
	<author>shrtcircuit</author>
	<datestamp>1263313860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Perhaps if parents took the time to PARENT, got their kids off the venti mocha-latte-quad-shot-whipped-lookatmeI'msocool drinks, made them put down the cell phones and television, and taught them how to live like real actual people in the real actual world, this wouldn't be an issue.<br><br>No shit they have unrealistic optimism!  In a world where you can't fail, where it's everyone else's responsibility to prop you up and deal with your shit, you are probably the most optimistic motherfucker on the planet!  The problem is once it becomes everyone else's responsibility, it becomes nobody's responsibility, and we're left with a bunch of dysfunctional retards sitting there whining because mommy and daddy can't give them their lattes and tell them it's going to be OK.<br><br>These kids don't have anxiety, they have a lack of understanding of life.  They're freaked out over what is quite honestly stupid, piddly things because they're not allowed to experience failure anymore.  The answer, according to a bunch of "experts", is to drug them up so they stop caring about it and go back to being irrelevant little twats.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps if parents took the time to PARENT , got their kids off the venti mocha-latte-quad-shot-whipped-lookatmeI'msocool drinks , made them put down the cell phones and television , and taught them how to live like real actual people in the real actual world , this would n't be an issue.No shit they have unrealistic optimism !
In a world where you ca n't fail , where it 's everyone else 's responsibility to prop you up and deal with your shit , you are probably the most optimistic motherfucker on the planet !
The problem is once it becomes everyone else 's responsibility , it becomes nobody 's responsibility , and we 're left with a bunch of dysfunctional retards sitting there whining because mommy and daddy ca n't give them their lattes and tell them it 's going to be OK.These kids do n't have anxiety , they have a lack of understanding of life .
They 're freaked out over what is quite honestly stupid , piddly things because they 're not allowed to experience failure anymore .
The answer , according to a bunch of " experts " , is to drug them up so they stop caring about it and go back to being irrelevant little twats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps if parents took the time to PARENT, got their kids off the venti mocha-latte-quad-shot-whipped-lookatmeI'msocool drinks, made them put down the cell phones and television, and taught them how to live like real actual people in the real actual world, this wouldn't be an issue.No shit they have unrealistic optimism!
In a world where you can't fail, where it's everyone else's responsibility to prop you up and deal with your shit, you are probably the most optimistic motherfucker on the planet!
The problem is once it becomes everyone else's responsibility, it becomes nobody's responsibility, and we're left with a bunch of dysfunctional retards sitting there whining because mommy and daddy can't give them their lattes and tell them it's going to be OK.These kids don't have anxiety, they have a lack of understanding of life.
They're freaked out over what is quite honestly stupid, piddly things because they're not allowed to experience failure anymore.
The answer, according to a bunch of "experts", is to drug them up so they stop caring about it and go back to being irrelevant little twats.</sentencetext>
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	<title>All teens are insane, it's called growing up.</title>
	<author>goodmanj</author>
	<datestamp>1263311100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>"anxiety and unrealistic optimism"</p><p>Congrats, psychologists.  You've just defined the modern teenager.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" anxiety and unrealistic optimism " Congrats , psychologists .
You 've just defined the modern teenager .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"anxiety and unrealistic optimism"Congrats, psychologists.
You've just defined the modern teenager.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30738574</id>
	<title>The Cure For Youth Serious Mental Health Problems</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263317280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>TRIPLE the nightly homework assignment !</p><p>That should keep them from ipodding and texting and so on and so forth.</p><p>No wonder the former U.S.A. is behind China on university education.</p><p>Yours In Perm,<br>Kilgore Trout</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TRIPLE the nightly homework assignment ! That should keep them from ipodding and texting and so on and so forth.No wonder the former U.S.A. is behind China on university education.Yours In Perm,Kilgore Trout</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TRIPLE the nightly homework assignment !That should keep them from ipodding and texting and so on and so forth.No wonder the former U.S.A. is behind China on university education.Yours In Perm,Kilgore Trout</sentencetext>
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	<title>News at 11, Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263312060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Newsflash, when starvation is a concern then self-actualization and minor mental/behavioural issues are less of a concern.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Newsflash , when starvation is a concern then self-actualization and minor mental/behavioural issues are less of a concern .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Newsflash, when starvation is a concern then self-actualization and minor mental/behavioural issues are less of a concern.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Or maybe it's just diagnosed more</title>
	<author>MarcQuadra</author>
	<datestamp>1263321300000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>My grandfather's stories about the depression were the best. He was a little boy when things went sour, so while mom stayed home and made clothes, food, and kept the fire going, dad had to get himself miles to the town center to wait for milk and bread. What did my grandfather and his brothers do? They started a gang, beating up local drunks and taking their whiskey money.</p><p>There are a couple of pictures of my grandfather as a twelve year-old, skinny as a rail, wearing 1930s 'thug life' outfits (newsboy caps, home-sewn knee-length trousers, white t-shirts, and no shoes) with his friends. All were wielding leather-wrapped sticks (horse whips?) to accost their prey.</p><p>Just imagine that when you think of how 'bad' things are today. Imagine if every ten year-old armed himself and started (basically) car-jacking people for their wallets... It would be like Los Angeles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My grandfather 's stories about the depression were the best .
He was a little boy when things went sour , so while mom stayed home and made clothes , food , and kept the fire going , dad had to get himself miles to the town center to wait for milk and bread .
What did my grandfather and his brothers do ?
They started a gang , beating up local drunks and taking their whiskey money.There are a couple of pictures of my grandfather as a twelve year-old , skinny as a rail , wearing 1930s 'thug life ' outfits ( newsboy caps , home-sewn knee-length trousers , white t-shirts , and no shoes ) with his friends .
All were wielding leather-wrapped sticks ( horse whips ?
) to accost their prey.Just imagine that when you think of how 'bad ' things are today .
Imagine if every ten year-old armed himself and started ( basically ) car-jacking people for their wallets... It would be like Los Angeles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My grandfather's stories about the depression were the best.
He was a little boy when things went sour, so while mom stayed home and made clothes, food, and kept the fire going, dad had to get himself miles to the town center to wait for milk and bread.
What did my grandfather and his brothers do?
They started a gang, beating up local drunks and taking their whiskey money.There are a couple of pictures of my grandfather as a twelve year-old, skinny as a rail, wearing 1930s 'thug life' outfits (newsboy caps, home-sewn knee-length trousers, white t-shirts, and no shoes) with his friends.
All were wielding leather-wrapped sticks (horse whips?
) to accost their prey.Just imagine that when you think of how 'bad' things are today.
Imagine if every ten year-old armed himself and started (basically) car-jacking people for their wallets... It would be like Los Angeles.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Stop projecting....</title>
	<author>Temujin\_12</author>
	<datestamp>1263313920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I've noticed that often children suffer at the hand of their parent projecting things that happened (or didn't happen) to them when they were growing up onto the child.</p><p>* Pageant parents<br>* Religious or atheistic fanaticism<br>* Overly protective parents<br>* Parents who don't discipline<br>* Parents who insist on treating their children the same as adults<br>* Overly pushy with sports/music/school (or any other subject)<br>* etc. etc. etc.</p><p>I've found that I've had to stop myself sometimes from projecting onto my own kids and remind myself that while I've had both positive experiences I want (and should) share/teach to my children and negative experiences I don't want them to have, I have to remember that they have their own personalities and desires and that that is what I should be fostering, not my own.</p><p>I bit that often if you sat down and talked with parents who go to extremes in parenting, the root of the problem could be found in something that happened or didn't happen to them in their childhood. Of course, there are kids who really are mentally ill and do need help. But that is a decision meant solely for a trained, competent medical physician, the parents, and the child.... NOT teachers who simply want a classroom that is easier to deal with.</p><p>On that note, if I have a teacher of my children come and tell me they have a mental disorder, I'll thank them for their feedback but then ask them to present their degree in medicine. When they can't I'll politely tell them to keep their mouth shut unless they are qualified to make such a diagnosis.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've noticed that often children suffer at the hand of their parent projecting things that happened ( or did n't happen ) to them when they were growing up onto the child .
* Pageant parents * Religious or atheistic fanaticism * Overly protective parents * Parents who do n't discipline * Parents who insist on treating their children the same as adults * Overly pushy with sports/music/school ( or any other subject ) * etc .
etc. etc.I 've found that I 've had to stop myself sometimes from projecting onto my own kids and remind myself that while I 've had both positive experiences I want ( and should ) share/teach to my children and negative experiences I do n't want them to have , I have to remember that they have their own personalities and desires and that that is what I should be fostering , not my own.I bit that often if you sat down and talked with parents who go to extremes in parenting , the root of the problem could be found in something that happened or did n't happen to them in their childhood .
Of course , there are kids who really are mentally ill and do need help .
But that is a decision meant solely for a trained , competent medical physician , the parents , and the child.... NOT teachers who simply want a classroom that is easier to deal with.On that note , if I have a teacher of my children come and tell me they have a mental disorder , I 'll thank them for their feedback but then ask them to present their degree in medicine .
When they ca n't I 'll politely tell them to keep their mouth shut unless they are qualified to make such a diagnosis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've noticed that often children suffer at the hand of their parent projecting things that happened (or didn't happen) to them when they were growing up onto the child.
* Pageant parents* Religious or atheistic fanaticism* Overly protective parents* Parents who don't discipline* Parents who insist on treating their children the same as adults* Overly pushy with sports/music/school (or any other subject)* etc.
etc. etc.I've found that I've had to stop myself sometimes from projecting onto my own kids and remind myself that while I've had both positive experiences I want (and should) share/teach to my children and negative experiences I don't want them to have, I have to remember that they have their own personalities and desires and that that is what I should be fostering, not my own.I bit that often if you sat down and talked with parents who go to extremes in parenting, the root of the problem could be found in something that happened or didn't happen to them in their childhood.
Of course, there are kids who really are mentally ill and do need help.
But that is a decision meant solely for a trained, competent medical physician, the parents, and the child.... NOT teachers who simply want a classroom that is easier to deal with.On that note, if I have a teacher of my children come and tell me they have a mental disorder, I'll thank them for their feedback but then ask them to present their degree in medicine.
When they can't I'll politely tell them to keep their mouth shut unless they are qualified to make such a diagnosis.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30736722</id>
	<title>In the words of the great Ken Titus...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263310260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stop being a bunch of wussies!</p><p>Seriously, kids today have to wear helmets just to ride a bike, have some pediatrician putting them on powerful Autism medication if they don't start talking at just the right time, are diagnosed with Asperger's the second they show the least bit of shyness, are taught by teachers who scream "AHDHD--Drug him up!" the first time they act out in class, and come home to parents who think that a child molester is hanging out on ever street corner just waiting to kidnap their kid. *They're* not the ones who are screwed up, it's the adults around them that are screwed up.</p><p>JUST LET THEM BE KIDS, for Christ sake! Stop acting like there is something wrong with them because they're not perfect, or act differently than you expect, or make stupid mistakes. That's what makes them kids. Stop cocooning them like they're delicate eggs who will crack at the slightest risk or challenge. And, above all, stop drugging them up. A kid shouldn't be taking medication for anything less than a serious physical problem. You don't give a kid powerful psychotropic drugs just because they're rebellious or shy. They'll have plenty of time to dope themselves into a stupor and cry at a psychologist's office when they're adults.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop being a bunch of wussies ! Seriously , kids today have to wear helmets just to ride a bike , have some pediatrician putting them on powerful Autism medication if they do n't start talking at just the right time , are diagnosed with Asperger 's the second they show the least bit of shyness , are taught by teachers who scream " AHDHD--Drug him up !
" the first time they act out in class , and come home to parents who think that a child molester is hanging out on ever street corner just waiting to kidnap their kid .
* They 're * not the ones who are screwed up , it 's the adults around them that are screwed up.JUST LET THEM BE KIDS , for Christ sake !
Stop acting like there is something wrong with them because they 're not perfect , or act differently than you expect , or make stupid mistakes .
That 's what makes them kids .
Stop cocooning them like they 're delicate eggs who will crack at the slightest risk or challenge .
And , above all , stop drugging them up .
A kid should n't be taking medication for anything less than a serious physical problem .
You do n't give a kid powerful psychotropic drugs just because they 're rebellious or shy .
They 'll have plenty of time to dope themselves into a stupor and cry at a psychologist 's office when they 're adults .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop being a bunch of wussies!Seriously, kids today have to wear helmets just to ride a bike, have some pediatrician putting them on powerful Autism medication if they don't start talking at just the right time, are diagnosed with Asperger's the second they show the least bit of shyness, are taught by teachers who scream "AHDHD--Drug him up!
" the first time they act out in class, and come home to parents who think that a child molester is hanging out on ever street corner just waiting to kidnap their kid.
*They're* not the ones who are screwed up, it's the adults around them that are screwed up.JUST LET THEM BE KIDS, for Christ sake!
Stop acting like there is something wrong with them because they're not perfect, or act differently than you expect, or make stupid mistakes.
That's what makes them kids.
Stop cocooning them like they're delicate eggs who will crack at the slightest risk or challenge.
And, above all, stop drugging them up.
A kid shouldn't be taking medication for anything less than a serious physical problem.
You don't give a kid powerful psychotropic drugs just because they're rebellious or shy.
They'll have plenty of time to dope themselves into a stupor and cry at a psychologist's office when they're adults.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30739026</id>
	<title>Re:Greater Knowledge</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263318780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What are you, dense, are you retarded or something?</p><p>When people get to be the age of old, they start to die. Frequently, the widow(er) then remarries. Think, man.</p><p>Your entire rant is invalidated by a simple two second thought process.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What are you , dense , are you retarded or something ? When people get to be the age of old , they start to die .
Frequently , the widow ( er ) then remarries .
Think , man.Your entire rant is invalidated by a simple two second thought process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What are you, dense, are you retarded or something?When people get to be the age of old, they start to die.
Frequently, the widow(er) then remarries.
Think, man.Your entire rant is invalidated by a simple two second thought process.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30738864</id>
	<title>Re:previous generations</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263318180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>dealt with things like world war i, world war ii, the <strong>bubonic plague</strong>, the american revolution... etc.</p></div><p>Well, we have the H1 N1 flu... I guess it's an adequate pandemic for this age.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>dealt with things like world war i , world war ii , the bubonic plague , the american revolution... etc.Well , we have the H1 N1 flu... I guess it 's an adequate pandemic for this age .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dealt with things like world war i, world war ii, the bubonic plague, the american revolution... etc.Well, we have the H1 N1 flu... I guess it's an adequate pandemic for this age.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30738458</id>
	<title>Re:How does this make you FEEL?</title>
	<author>0xdeadbeef</author>
	<datestamp>1263316860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Pay is based upon accomplishment and achievement, not on feelings.</i></p><p>Wrong. Accomplishment and achievement get you pats on the back. Supply and demand get you paid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pay is based upon accomplishment and achievement , not on feelings.Wrong .
Accomplishment and achievement get you pats on the back .
Supply and demand get you paid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pay is based upon accomplishment and achievement, not on feelings.Wrong.
Accomplishment and achievement get you pats on the back.
Supply and demand get you paid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30737912</id>
	<title>Re:previous generations</title>
	<author>alobar72</author>
	<datestamp>1263315000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>theese are the problems of a generation, that has no real problems...</htmltext>
<tokenext>theese are the problems of a generation , that has no real problems.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>theese are the problems of a generation, that has no real problems...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30740100</id>
	<title>Re:You get what you pay for.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263322560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>'feeling good about yourself'</p></div><p>Thanks for bringing this up. Who is this you anyway? What is this feeling good? Since when did the sperm of your father and egg of your mother ever belong to you??</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>'feeling good about yourself'Thanks for bringing this up .
Who is this you anyway ?
What is this feeling good ?
Since when did the sperm of your father and egg of your mother ever belong to you ? ?
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>'feeling good about yourself'Thanks for bringing this up.
Who is this you anyway?
What is this feeling good?
Since when did the sperm of your father and egg of your mother ever belong to you??
 
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30739216</id>
	<title>Gadgets, social networking, games</title>
	<author>bondjamesbond</author>
	<datestamp>1263319320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The trilogy of always on instant gratification erodes young minds at an alarming rate.  Turn off the electricity, take away the smart phone, plant a garden, go camping, go to the library, don't treat them like quail eggs, and your kids will rebound at a very brisk, healthy rate.  Been there, done that with my kids.  No more anxiety, no more cutting - presto chango.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The trilogy of always on instant gratification erodes young minds at an alarming rate .
Turn off the electricity , take away the smart phone , plant a garden , go camping , go to the library , do n't treat them like quail eggs , and your kids will rebound at a very brisk , healthy rate .
Been there , done that with my kids .
No more anxiety , no more cutting - presto chango .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The trilogy of always on instant gratification erodes young minds at an alarming rate.
Turn off the electricity, take away the smart phone, plant a garden, go camping, go to the library, don't treat them like quail eggs, and your kids will rebound at a very brisk, healthy rate.
Been there, done that with my kids.
No more anxiety, no more cutting - presto chango.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30748904</id>
	<title>Re:The Criticisms as Outlined in the Article</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263386280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've long thought the same thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've long thought the same thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've long thought the same thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30737408</id>
	<title>Yes, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263312960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...what about the euthanasia?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...what about the euthanasia ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...what about the euthanasia?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30739252</id>
	<title>Re:Greater Knowledge</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1263319500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My father's wife isn't my mother, does that mean I demonize her by not calling her something she is not?</p><p>Wow, you do have an amazingly closed small mind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My father 's wife is n't my mother , does that mean I demonize her by not calling her something she is not ? Wow , you do have an amazingly closed small mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My father's wife isn't my mother, does that mean I demonize her by not calling her something she is not?Wow, you do have an amazingly closed small mind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30738666</id>
	<title>Re:The Criticisms as Outlined in the Article</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1263317580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I have a cute anecdote about a friend who graduated with a psychology degree and left her job as an assistant to become a grade school teacher because most of the psychologists at the Manhattan practice had more psychological problems than their patients.</p></div><p>I've always had the theory that people who are psychiatrists are psychiatrists because they're interested in the cause of psychological problems (obviously), and that people who are highly interested in psychological problems are usually trying to diagnose themselves.  Therefore, a high level of psychiatrists are probably crazy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a cute anecdote about a friend who graduated with a psychology degree and left her job as an assistant to become a grade school teacher because most of the psychologists at the Manhattan practice had more psychological problems than their patients.I 've always had the theory that people who are psychiatrists are psychiatrists because they 're interested in the cause of psychological problems ( obviously ) , and that people who are highly interested in psychological problems are usually trying to diagnose themselves .
Therefore , a high level of psychiatrists are probably crazy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a cute anecdote about a friend who graduated with a psychology degree and left her job as an assistant to become a grade school teacher because most of the psychologists at the Manhattan practice had more psychological problems than their patients.I've always had the theory that people who are psychiatrists are psychiatrists because they're interested in the cause of psychological problems (obviously), and that people who are highly interested in psychological problems are usually trying to diagnose themselves.
Therefore, a high level of psychiatrists are probably crazy.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30737708</id>
	<title>Hypomania and mania are not "happy"</title>
	<author>quintin3265</author>
	<datestamp>1263314280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A lot of people here seem to be of the opinion that mental illness is something that is simply being overdiagnosed; people can "get over it," that medications are evil, and that kids should be kids.  Obviously, these people have never been mentally ill.</p><p>Sure, it is true that today's kids' lives are nothing like the brutal, short, backbreaking existences that were lived by our predecessors, who in 1850 worked over 60 hours a week and barely managed to stay alive for 30 or 40 years.  On the other hand, if you've ever had a manic or hypomanic episode, you will know that mania is not a positive state of mind.  Mania is one of the worst possible states of existing, only barely better than death and far worse than depression.  Imagine not being able to keep a thought in your head for more than 1 second at a time.  Imagine how, one day you can go from being considered for a promotion at your office to being fired a month later because you can no longer comprehend programming concepts or remember what was going on a few minutes ago.  Imagine it becoming impossible to function with people because you have lost the ability to determine what is the appropriate thing to say in social situations, and so as a result you say nothing.</p><p>Most importantly of all, imagine that nobody believes that anything is wrong, that doctor after doctor can't come up with any diagnosis for years, and when you try to get help for yourself people hang up on you because you can't follow the conversation to understand what's being talked about.  Imagine that sometimes you are so unable to think that you have trouble determining whether someone is speaking to you or not.  Imagine that the rest of the world just keeps going on while you see no reason to keep living through such hell if nobody can figure out what's wrong with you.  So you just sit in front of the TV night after night while the images go by too fast to process.  Mania is perhaps the most depressing thing that one can experience.  This explanation of mania being a sense of extreme well-being is wrong and needs to be better communicated in the mainstream sources, who tend to simplify these diseases as some kind of "excess happiness."  There is no happiness in mania.</p><p>Of course there is an increase in the incidence of these diseases among people living today.  In the past, why would someone want to continue living if their new life was as a stupid and uncontrollable shell of their former selves?  The only solution back then was suicide.  While suicide is not a good choice today because there are many treatments available, it may be shocking to hear that death certainly would be better than living like that with no hope for a cure.  Is it so far-fetched to say that the diseases were less widespread because people culled themselves?</p><p>Stating that kids should go off drugs because of the "evil pharmaceutical companies" is naive.  The scientific literature does not adequately describe these diseases, and probably never could.  Everyone has felt pain, so it's easy to describe the treatment for a headache.  But while there are some very smart people here, those who are not ill are simply not able to comprehend what mental illness really is, and should not be offering comments about whether suffers should undergo treatment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of people here seem to be of the opinion that mental illness is something that is simply being overdiagnosed ; people can " get over it , " that medications are evil , and that kids should be kids .
Obviously , these people have never been mentally ill.Sure , it is true that today 's kids ' lives are nothing like the brutal , short , backbreaking existences that were lived by our predecessors , who in 1850 worked over 60 hours a week and barely managed to stay alive for 30 or 40 years .
On the other hand , if you 've ever had a manic or hypomanic episode , you will know that mania is not a positive state of mind .
Mania is one of the worst possible states of existing , only barely better than death and far worse than depression .
Imagine not being able to keep a thought in your head for more than 1 second at a time .
Imagine how , one day you can go from being considered for a promotion at your office to being fired a month later because you can no longer comprehend programming concepts or remember what was going on a few minutes ago .
Imagine it becoming impossible to function with people because you have lost the ability to determine what is the appropriate thing to say in social situations , and so as a result you say nothing.Most importantly of all , imagine that nobody believes that anything is wrong , that doctor after doctor ca n't come up with any diagnosis for years , and when you try to get help for yourself people hang up on you because you ca n't follow the conversation to understand what 's being talked about .
Imagine that sometimes you are so unable to think that you have trouble determining whether someone is speaking to you or not .
Imagine that the rest of the world just keeps going on while you see no reason to keep living through such hell if nobody can figure out what 's wrong with you .
So you just sit in front of the TV night after night while the images go by too fast to process .
Mania is perhaps the most depressing thing that one can experience .
This explanation of mania being a sense of extreme well-being is wrong and needs to be better communicated in the mainstream sources , who tend to simplify these diseases as some kind of " excess happiness .
" There is no happiness in mania.Of course there is an increase in the incidence of these diseases among people living today .
In the past , why would someone want to continue living if their new life was as a stupid and uncontrollable shell of their former selves ?
The only solution back then was suicide .
While suicide is not a good choice today because there are many treatments available , it may be shocking to hear that death certainly would be better than living like that with no hope for a cure .
Is it so far-fetched to say that the diseases were less widespread because people culled themselves ? Stating that kids should go off drugs because of the " evil pharmaceutical companies " is naive .
The scientific literature does not adequately describe these diseases , and probably never could .
Everyone has felt pain , so it 's easy to describe the treatment for a headache .
But while there are some very smart people here , those who are not ill are simply not able to comprehend what mental illness really is , and should not be offering comments about whether suffers should undergo treatment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of people here seem to be of the opinion that mental illness is something that is simply being overdiagnosed; people can "get over it," that medications are evil, and that kids should be kids.
Obviously, these people have never been mentally ill.Sure, it is true that today's kids' lives are nothing like the brutal, short, backbreaking existences that were lived by our predecessors, who in 1850 worked over 60 hours a week and barely managed to stay alive for 30 or 40 years.
On the other hand, if you've ever had a manic or hypomanic episode, you will know that mania is not a positive state of mind.
Mania is one of the worst possible states of existing, only barely better than death and far worse than depression.
Imagine not being able to keep a thought in your head for more than 1 second at a time.
Imagine how, one day you can go from being considered for a promotion at your office to being fired a month later because you can no longer comprehend programming concepts or remember what was going on a few minutes ago.
Imagine it becoming impossible to function with people because you have lost the ability to determine what is the appropriate thing to say in social situations, and so as a result you say nothing.Most importantly of all, imagine that nobody believes that anything is wrong, that doctor after doctor can't come up with any diagnosis for years, and when you try to get help for yourself people hang up on you because you can't follow the conversation to understand what's being talked about.
Imagine that sometimes you are so unable to think that you have trouble determining whether someone is speaking to you or not.
Imagine that the rest of the world just keeps going on while you see no reason to keep living through such hell if nobody can figure out what's wrong with you.
So you just sit in front of the TV night after night while the images go by too fast to process.
Mania is perhaps the most depressing thing that one can experience.
This explanation of mania being a sense of extreme well-being is wrong and needs to be better communicated in the mainstream sources, who tend to simplify these diseases as some kind of "excess happiness.
"  There is no happiness in mania.Of course there is an increase in the incidence of these diseases among people living today.
In the past, why would someone want to continue living if their new life was as a stupid and uncontrollable shell of their former selves?
The only solution back then was suicide.
While suicide is not a good choice today because there are many treatments available, it may be shocking to hear that death certainly would be better than living like that with no hope for a cure.
Is it so far-fetched to say that the diseases were less widespread because people culled themselves?Stating that kids should go off drugs because of the "evil pharmaceutical companies" is naive.
The scientific literature does not adequately describe these diseases, and probably never could.
Everyone has felt pain, so it's easy to describe the treatment for a headache.
But while there are some very smart people here, those who are not ill are simply not able to comprehend what mental illness really is, and should not be offering comments about whether suffers should undergo treatment.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30737902</id>
	<title>1938 to 2007</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263314940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>there are already some decent criticism of the study already here (and some not-so-decent criticism).  The closest is the criticism of normalizing the data, for reporting, presumably.  But it seems to me, that there is a much larger proportion of youth in high school now to take part in the study that would not have been available to take it in 1938.  And I don't mean in a there-are-a-lot-more-youth-today kind of way, but rather, a greater proportion would be on the farm or taking care of the local corner store or shining shoes, perhaps, than trying to make it in an adult society that expects study, but peers expect to take it easy (and sell on the street corner?).</p><p>Now, Yale is still a very prestigious school with a great deal of competition for entry, but anxiety over a place in society must be considerably less when amassed wealth is almost required for entry.</p><p>it does make for stunning political statements when one can say that youth in the country would appear to be more anxious about the future during a time of plenty (the study is from data collected in 2007) than at the tail end of the Great Depression, at the end of the Dust Bowl era, and even if I might agree (with other slashdot intelligentsia) that the kids now have it easy and they should get off my lawn, but i don't see how their data can possibly correct the discrepancies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>there are already some decent criticism of the study already here ( and some not-so-decent criticism ) .
The closest is the criticism of normalizing the data , for reporting , presumably .
But it seems to me , that there is a much larger proportion of youth in high school now to take part in the study that would not have been available to take it in 1938 .
And I do n't mean in a there-are-a-lot-more-youth-today kind of way , but rather , a greater proportion would be on the farm or taking care of the local corner store or shining shoes , perhaps , than trying to make it in an adult society that expects study , but peers expect to take it easy ( and sell on the street corner ?
) .Now , Yale is still a very prestigious school with a great deal of competition for entry , but anxiety over a place in society must be considerably less when amassed wealth is almost required for entry.it does make for stunning political statements when one can say that youth in the country would appear to be more anxious about the future during a time of plenty ( the study is from data collected in 2007 ) than at the tail end of the Great Depression , at the end of the Dust Bowl era , and even if I might agree ( with other slashdot intelligentsia ) that the kids now have it easy and they should get off my lawn , but i do n't see how their data can possibly correct the discrepancies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there are already some decent criticism of the study already here (and some not-so-decent criticism).
The closest is the criticism of normalizing the data, for reporting, presumably.
But it seems to me, that there is a much larger proportion of youth in high school now to take part in the study that would not have been available to take it in 1938.
And I don't mean in a there-are-a-lot-more-youth-today kind of way, but rather, a greater proportion would be on the farm or taking care of the local corner store or shining shoes, perhaps, than trying to make it in an adult society that expects study, but peers expect to take it easy (and sell on the street corner?
).Now, Yale is still a very prestigious school with a great deal of competition for entry, but anxiety over a place in society must be considerably less when amassed wealth is almost required for entry.it does make for stunning political statements when one can say that youth in the country would appear to be more anxious about the future during a time of plenty (the study is from data collected in 2007) than at the tail end of the Great Depression, at the end of the Dust Bowl era, and even if I might agree (with other slashdot intelligentsia) that the kids now have it easy and they should get off my lawn, but i don't see how their data can possibly correct the discrepancies.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30742354</id>
	<title>Re:This is a problem?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263288840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Yes, with all this hypomania floating about, they'll be ranting and raving about hope, change, and good days to come!</p><p>Oh wait.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , with all this hypomania floating about , they 'll be ranting and raving about hope , change , and good days to come ! Oh wait .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, with all this hypomania floating about, they'll be ranting and raving about hope, change, and good days to come!Oh wait.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30741200</id>
	<title>What. The. Fuck.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263326880000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Ok I have had enough of the knee jerk reaction comments here let me tell you a little story about myself<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.<br> <br>I am 22 I am pretty much part of this generation that has the higher mental illness rate and I believe every fucking word of it. The environment kids have to go to everyday is truly depressing you have enormous amounts of social pressure to conform, I know because I was different and payed for it in the form of social death. I moved to where I live now when I was 7 I moved from an all Italian neighborhood where I couldn't walk 5 feet without bumping in to a friend/family member to a northeast suburb where I could walk a mile without meeting anyone my own age and when I went to my new school I met with a hugely different environment in which no matter how hard I tried to make friends no one wanted to be mine because I had an imagination and was therefore "weird". So now I am about 9 to 10 years old with no friends because if you talked to me you were "uncool" (which is the end all be all in this place) wondering why this is all happening and that's when I start feeling angry, not just "pissed in my cheerios" angry but extreme uncontrollable rage angry, naturally my grade's started falling and my teachers noticed I wasn't doing my homework anymore and if they tried to talk to me about it it wouldn't even seem like I was listening because I wasn't. School transformed for me it became a place of daily torture that was to be endured because I "had to go" and there was no fucking way I was taking it home with me in the form of homework or school projects. around the 6th and 7th grade my parents were seeing a trend in me the whole not doing homework and increased outbursts at school weren't going away so my parents decide to take my to a psychologist fast forward about 2 years and 3 suicide attempts later and im getting out of grade school getting  ready to enter highschool working 14 hours a day 7 days a week for no pay (we had a kitchen were running at a local pool club that wasn't bringing in any money) at this point I am "cured" and I say "cured" because you never really are truly cured of the injuries I received you just learn how to cope with it. I go into highschool have a great time and for the first time in a very long time I was happy (straight A's btw for all of those who like to call the kids of this generation lazy/stupid) , but when I got to college I encountered a highly social environment but I found myself unable to get close enough to anyone to be friends or more because I still had an irrational fear of people from when I was in grade school so I drop out after the first semester and go into a deep depression and start seeing my psychologist again fast forward about another three years and that brings us to present day where I have had a few jobs (all of which have terrible pay and no benefits) am once again "cured", doing the best I can and looking for a girl who understands me ( I met one quite by accident but due to a truly tragic set of circumstances I didnt have chance to date her but that's another sad story) and I am once again approaching that state we all call Happiness.<br> <br>Thats where the story ends for now but its not over I still have to carry with me the scars I received as a child I have few friends but I keep close those that I have, I have fallen in love and been heartbroken(which btw was worse than any other emotional pain I have experienced before). I am the nicest guy in the world these days I am friendly but quiet and will help anyone out with almost anything they ask of me, which is needless to say a far cry from what I once was.<br> <br>Every now and then I'll see specials on TV trying to get to the root cause of why these kids going into schools and public places with assault rifles and explosives and I laugh because I know EXACTLY why they do it, and when you get lucky and get a guy or girl that doesn't shoot themselves at the end and people ask them why they did it, the response is invariably either an vicious insult or a "I had to do it" but no one understands. Yes the</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok I have had enough of the knee jerk reaction comments here let me tell you a little story about myself .
I am 22 I am pretty much part of this generation that has the higher mental illness rate and I believe every fucking word of it .
The environment kids have to go to everyday is truly depressing you have enormous amounts of social pressure to conform , I know because I was different and payed for it in the form of social death .
I moved to where I live now when I was 7 I moved from an all Italian neighborhood where I could n't walk 5 feet without bumping in to a friend/family member to a northeast suburb where I could walk a mile without meeting anyone my own age and when I went to my new school I met with a hugely different environment in which no matter how hard I tried to make friends no one wanted to be mine because I had an imagination and was therefore " weird " .
So now I am about 9 to 10 years old with no friends because if you talked to me you were " uncool " ( which is the end all be all in this place ) wondering why this is all happening and that 's when I start feeling angry , not just " pissed in my cheerios " angry but extreme uncontrollable rage angry , naturally my grade 's started falling and my teachers noticed I was n't doing my homework anymore and if they tried to talk to me about it it would n't even seem like I was listening because I was n't .
School transformed for me it became a place of daily torture that was to be endured because I " had to go " and there was no fucking way I was taking it home with me in the form of homework or school projects .
around the 6th and 7th grade my parents were seeing a trend in me the whole not doing homework and increased outbursts at school were n't going away so my parents decide to take my to a psychologist fast forward about 2 years and 3 suicide attempts later and im getting out of grade school getting ready to enter highschool working 14 hours a day 7 days a week for no pay ( we had a kitchen were running at a local pool club that was n't bringing in any money ) at this point I am " cured " and I say " cured " because you never really are truly cured of the injuries I received you just learn how to cope with it .
I go into highschool have a great time and for the first time in a very long time I was happy ( straight A 's btw for all of those who like to call the kids of this generation lazy/stupid ) , but when I got to college I encountered a highly social environment but I found myself unable to get close enough to anyone to be friends or more because I still had an irrational fear of people from when I was in grade school so I drop out after the first semester and go into a deep depression and start seeing my psychologist again fast forward about another three years and that brings us to present day where I have had a few jobs ( all of which have terrible pay and no benefits ) am once again " cured " , doing the best I can and looking for a girl who understands me ( I met one quite by accident but due to a truly tragic set of circumstances I didnt have chance to date her but that 's another sad story ) and I am once again approaching that state we all call Happiness .
Thats where the story ends for now but its not over I still have to carry with me the scars I received as a child I have few friends but I keep close those that I have , I have fallen in love and been heartbroken ( which btw was worse than any other emotional pain I have experienced before ) .
I am the nicest guy in the world these days I am friendly but quiet and will help anyone out with almost anything they ask of me , which is needless to say a far cry from what I once was .
Every now and then I 'll see specials on TV trying to get to the root cause of why these kids going into schools and public places with assault rifles and explosives and I laugh because I know EXACTLY why they do it , and when you get lucky and get a guy or girl that does n't shoot themselves at the end and people ask them why they did it , the response is invariably either an vicious insult or a " I had to do it " but no one understands .
Yes the</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok I have had enough of the knee jerk reaction comments here let me tell you a little story about myself .
I am 22 I am pretty much part of this generation that has the higher mental illness rate and I believe every fucking word of it.
The environment kids have to go to everyday is truly depressing you have enormous amounts of social pressure to conform, I know because I was different and payed for it in the form of social death.
I moved to where I live now when I was 7 I moved from an all Italian neighborhood where I couldn't walk 5 feet without bumping in to a friend/family member to a northeast suburb where I could walk a mile without meeting anyone my own age and when I went to my new school I met with a hugely different environment in which no matter how hard I tried to make friends no one wanted to be mine because I had an imagination and was therefore "weird".
So now I am about 9 to 10 years old with no friends because if you talked to me you were "uncool" (which is the end all be all in this place) wondering why this is all happening and that's when I start feeling angry, not just "pissed in my cheerios" angry but extreme uncontrollable rage angry, naturally my grade's started falling and my teachers noticed I wasn't doing my homework anymore and if they tried to talk to me about it it wouldn't even seem like I was listening because I wasn't.
School transformed for me it became a place of daily torture that was to be endured because I "had to go" and there was no fucking way I was taking it home with me in the form of homework or school projects.
around the 6th and 7th grade my parents were seeing a trend in me the whole not doing homework and increased outbursts at school weren't going away so my parents decide to take my to a psychologist fast forward about 2 years and 3 suicide attempts later and im getting out of grade school getting  ready to enter highschool working 14 hours a day 7 days a week for no pay (we had a kitchen were running at a local pool club that wasn't bringing in any money) at this point I am "cured" and I say "cured" because you never really are truly cured of the injuries I received you just learn how to cope with it.
I go into highschool have a great time and for the first time in a very long time I was happy (straight A's btw for all of those who like to call the kids of this generation lazy/stupid) , but when I got to college I encountered a highly social environment but I found myself unable to get close enough to anyone to be friends or more because I still had an irrational fear of people from when I was in grade school so I drop out after the first semester and go into a deep depression and start seeing my psychologist again fast forward about another three years and that brings us to present day where I have had a few jobs (all of which have terrible pay and no benefits) am once again "cured", doing the best I can and looking for a girl who understands me ( I met one quite by accident but due to a truly tragic set of circumstances I didnt have chance to date her but that's another sad story) and I am once again approaching that state we all call Happiness.
Thats where the story ends for now but its not over I still have to carry with me the scars I received as a child I have few friends but I keep close those that I have, I have fallen in love and been heartbroken(which btw was worse than any other emotional pain I have experienced before).
I am the nicest guy in the world these days I am friendly but quiet and will help anyone out with almost anything they ask of me, which is needless to say a far cry from what I once was.
Every now and then I'll see specials on TV trying to get to the root cause of why these kids going into schools and public places with assault rifles and explosives and I laugh because I know EXACTLY why they do it, and when you get lucky and get a guy or girl that doesn't shoot themselves at the end and people ask them why they did it, the response is invariably either an vicious insult or a "I had to do it" but no one understands.
Yes the</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30741786</id>
	<title>Re:The Criticisms as Outlined in the Article</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1263329340000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I think the real problem with kids is this:<br> <br>
When they are kids, they are incompetent, and everything needs to be done for them, but that's ok because they are kids.<br> <br>
When they hit around age 11, they start to notice they are incompetent, and that they don't have the respect and capabilities that an adult gets.  This is fairly well established.  If they like to draw, for example, around that age they get frustrated because their pictures aren't realistic.<br> <br>
What they need from that point is a clear pathway to getting that respect and competence.  For example, they need to know that if they get good grades, go to college, then they will be a full and respected adult (in that case they may also need to be taught how to get good grades).  Or they need to know that if they learn to play golf well they will get respect, and to get there they need to listen to their golf-teacher.  Or in other cultures, it may be to get respect they need to kill a buffalo, and to get there by practicing with rabbits, etc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the real problem with kids is this : When they are kids , they are incompetent , and everything needs to be done for them , but that 's ok because they are kids .
When they hit around age 11 , they start to notice they are incompetent , and that they do n't have the respect and capabilities that an adult gets .
This is fairly well established .
If they like to draw , for example , around that age they get frustrated because their pictures are n't realistic .
What they need from that point is a clear pathway to getting that respect and competence .
For example , they need to know that if they get good grades , go to college , then they will be a full and respected adult ( in that case they may also need to be taught how to get good grades ) .
Or they need to know that if they learn to play golf well they will get respect , and to get there they need to listen to their golf-teacher .
Or in other cultures , it may be to get respect they need to kill a buffalo , and to get there by practicing with rabbits , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the real problem with kids is this: 
When they are kids, they are incompetent, and everything needs to be done for them, but that's ok because they are kids.
When they hit around age 11, they start to notice they are incompetent, and that they don't have the respect and capabilities that an adult gets.
This is fairly well established.
If they like to draw, for example, around that age they get frustrated because their pictures aren't realistic.
What they need from that point is a clear pathway to getting that respect and competence.
For example, they need to know that if they get good grades, go to college, then they will be a full and respected adult (in that case they may also need to be taught how to get good grades).
Or they need to know that if they learn to play golf well they will get respect, and to get there they need to listen to their golf-teacher.
Or in other cultures, it may be to get respect they need to kill a buffalo, and to get there by practicing with rabbits, etc.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30738568</id>
	<title>This just in...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263317280000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>America's children are spoiled rotten. Film at 11!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>America 's children are spoiled rotten .
Film at 11 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>America's children are spoiled rotten.
Film at 11!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30737856</id>
	<title>Re:The Criticisms as Outlined in the Article</title>
	<author>naasking</author>
	<datestamp>1263314820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><i>but sometimes I encounter a youth who says, "My boyfriend just broke up with me and now I sit in my room and listen to depressing music." And they (or their over protective parents) think they need medication for that. They don't. Sounds to me like they need to be picking rock and bailing hay to help take their mind off that.</i></p><p>Awesome. I hope this becomes a standard treatment. Karl Marx said it well, "The only antidote to mental suffering is physical pain." Heavy physical exertion quickly takes the mind off of its own self-serving merry-go-round.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but sometimes I encounter a youth who says , " My boyfriend just broke up with me and now I sit in my room and listen to depressing music .
" And they ( or their over protective parents ) think they need medication for that .
They do n't .
Sounds to me like they need to be picking rock and bailing hay to help take their mind off that.Awesome .
I hope this becomes a standard treatment .
Karl Marx said it well , " The only antidote to mental suffering is physical pain .
" Heavy physical exertion quickly takes the mind off of its own self-serving merry-go-round .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but sometimes I encounter a youth who says, "My boyfriend just broke up with me and now I sit in my room and listen to depressing music.
" And they (or their over protective parents) think they need medication for that.
They don't.
Sounds to me like they need to be picking rock and bailing hay to help take their mind off that.Awesome.
I hope this becomes a standard treatment.
Karl Marx said it well, "The only antidote to mental suffering is physical pain.
" Heavy physical exertion quickly takes the mind off of its own self-serving merry-go-round.</sentencetext>
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	<title>This is a problem?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263314460000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>So what if kids have more disorders now? Is this a bad thing? Seems to me like they'll just be more interesting people than old farts from the 50s who always talk about the "good old days."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So what if kids have more disorders now ?
Is this a bad thing ?
Seems to me like they 'll just be more interesting people than old farts from the 50s who always talk about the " good old days .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what if kids have more disorders now?
Is this a bad thing?
Seems to me like they'll just be more interesting people than old farts from the 50s who always talk about the "good old days.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30738422</id>
	<title>NOT ME! I'VE GOT NEW MEDS!!</title>
	<author>Ceriel Nosforit</author>
	<datestamp>1263316740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They make me drowsy and hungry. I asked for medical cannabis.</p><p>Oh, the ironing. It shirts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They make me drowsy and hungry .
I asked for medical cannabis.Oh , the ironing .
It shirts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They make me drowsy and hungry.
I asked for medical cannabis.Oh, the ironing.
It shirts.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30737730</id>
	<title>Re:It seems pretty simple to me.</title>
	<author>netsavior</author>
	<datestamp>1263314340000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>weird, that is the most bizarre troll mod down I have ever had.</htmltext>
<tokenext>weird , that is the most bizarre troll mod down I have ever had .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>weird, that is the most bizarre troll mod down I have ever had.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30738296</id>
	<title>Re:The Criticisms as Outlined in the Article</title>
	<author>catmistake</author>
	<datestamp>1263316320000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>However, some scholars argue that a spike in selfishness among young people is, like the story of Narcissus, a myth.</p></div><p>
No doubt this conclusion by some scholars is only natural after a common theme in social unconscious imagery emerged from thousands of years of retelling of the ancient and universal tale of the teenager taking the car without asking.
<br> <br>
Off topic, but, I really miss having a word to describe what "myth" described prior to it being selfishly and ambiguously redefined by a generation of sarcastic linguists.</p></div>
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<tokenext>However , some scholars argue that a spike in selfishness among young people is , like the story of Narcissus , a myth .
No doubt this conclusion by some scholars is only natural after a common theme in social unconscious imagery emerged from thousands of years of retelling of the ancient and universal tale of the teenager taking the car without asking .
Off topic , but , I really miss having a word to describe what " myth " described prior to it being selfishly and ambiguously redefined by a generation of sarcastic linguists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However, some scholars argue that a spike in selfishness among young people is, like the story of Narcissus, a myth.
No doubt this conclusion by some scholars is only natural after a common theme in social unconscious imagery emerged from thousands of years of retelling of the ancient and universal tale of the teenager taking the car without asking.
Off topic, but, I really miss having a word to describe what "myth" described prior to it being selfishly and ambiguously redefined by a generation of sarcastic linguists.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30740132</id>
	<title>Re:You get what you pay for.</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1263322680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Lack of ambition, ennui, a juvenile inability to focus, as well as a difficulty being happy with much of anything. I'd attribute it in myself to a lack of hardship and challenge, and believe me it's a bastard to cope with on a day to day basis.</p></div><p>You can attribute it to a lack of hardship, but I suspect that it has more to do with mankind being terrific at discovering misery in everything.  People with lots of hardship can also have difficulty being happy with much of anything, but it doesn't stand out as much and they seem to have an excuse.  What's more, they just don't have time to worry about being unhappy, because they're dealing with their hardships.
</p><p>So the trick isn't to defeat your ennui by rationalizing that you only have it because of crappy upbringing.  Instead, try to be thankful that ennui is your largest problem.  You could have all the same lack of ambition, ennui, inability to focus, and difficulty being happy, but be poor and miserable on top of that.  Then where would you be?</p></div>
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<tokenext>Lack of ambition , ennui , a juvenile inability to focus , as well as a difficulty being happy with much of anything .
I 'd attribute it in myself to a lack of hardship and challenge , and believe me it 's a bastard to cope with on a day to day basis.You can attribute it to a lack of hardship , but I suspect that it has more to do with mankind being terrific at discovering misery in everything .
People with lots of hardship can also have difficulty being happy with much of anything , but it does n't stand out as much and they seem to have an excuse .
What 's more , they just do n't have time to worry about being unhappy , because they 're dealing with their hardships .
So the trick is n't to defeat your ennui by rationalizing that you only have it because of crappy upbringing .
Instead , try to be thankful that ennui is your largest problem .
You could have all the same lack of ambition , ennui , inability to focus , and difficulty being happy , but be poor and miserable on top of that .
Then where would you be ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lack of ambition, ennui, a juvenile inability to focus, as well as a difficulty being happy with much of anything.
I'd attribute it in myself to a lack of hardship and challenge, and believe me it's a bastard to cope with on a day to day basis.You can attribute it to a lack of hardship, but I suspect that it has more to do with mankind being terrific at discovering misery in everything.
People with lots of hardship can also have difficulty being happy with much of anything, but it doesn't stand out as much and they seem to have an excuse.
What's more, they just don't have time to worry about being unhappy, because they're dealing with their hardships.
So the trick isn't to defeat your ennui by rationalizing that you only have it because of crappy upbringing.
Instead, try to be thankful that ennui is your largest problem.
You could have all the same lack of ambition, ennui, inability to focus, and difficulty being happy, but be poor and miserable on top of that.
Then where would you be?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30738228</id>
	<title>Hypomania: disorder, or adaptation?</title>
	<author>DCheesi</author>
	<datestamp>1263316080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As other posters have noted, current social and cultural conditions in the USA not only allow hypomania to run unchecked, but in some cases actively promote it (eg. universal self-esteem campaigns). The general assumption so far seems to be that this a negative outcome, the result of decadent living and misguided parenting. But what if it's actually advantageous?</p><p>In the past, the flighty, risk-taking behavior that characterizes the condition had clear disadvantages; eg., spend all your money, and you might starve when times get bad. But it also has clear advantages; people with lots of energy, drive, and optimism tend to be more successful in modern social/business life.</p><p>The thing that's changed is that in our current society, it's almost impossible to starve to death unless you have addictions, psychosis, or other major obstacles to normal functioning. Simply put, there's always a way to get by, *especially* if you're energetic and positively motivated. Meanwhile, the advantages associated with hypomanic personality traits are as strong as ever. I would argue that things have moved to a point where the benefits of some mild degree of hypomania outweigh the risks.</p><p>Yes, the "self-esteem brigade" may be raising intolerably flighty, frivolous young adults, but in the end that may the best thing for them. (At least until TEOTWAWKI hits, and those young whipper-snappers are the first to get eaten by the zombies<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As other posters have noted , current social and cultural conditions in the USA not only allow hypomania to run unchecked , but in some cases actively promote it ( eg .
universal self-esteem campaigns ) .
The general assumption so far seems to be that this a negative outcome , the result of decadent living and misguided parenting .
But what if it 's actually advantageous ? In the past , the flighty , risk-taking behavior that characterizes the condition had clear disadvantages ; eg. , spend all your money , and you might starve when times get bad .
But it also has clear advantages ; people with lots of energy , drive , and optimism tend to be more successful in modern social/business life.The thing that 's changed is that in our current society , it 's almost impossible to starve to death unless you have addictions , psychosis , or other major obstacles to normal functioning .
Simply put , there 's always a way to get by , * especially * if you 're energetic and positively motivated .
Meanwhile , the advantages associated with hypomanic personality traits are as strong as ever .
I would argue that things have moved to a point where the benefits of some mild degree of hypomania outweigh the risks.Yes , the " self-esteem brigade " may be raising intolerably flighty , frivolous young adults , but in the end that may the best thing for them .
( At least until TEOTWAWKI hits , and those young whipper-snappers are the first to get eaten by the zombies ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As other posters have noted, current social and cultural conditions in the USA not only allow hypomania to run unchecked, but in some cases actively promote it (eg.
universal self-esteem campaigns).
The general assumption so far seems to be that this a negative outcome, the result of decadent living and misguided parenting.
But what if it's actually advantageous?In the past, the flighty, risk-taking behavior that characterizes the condition had clear disadvantages; eg., spend all your money, and you might starve when times get bad.
But it also has clear advantages; people with lots of energy, drive, and optimism tend to be more successful in modern social/business life.The thing that's changed is that in our current society, it's almost impossible to starve to death unless you have addictions, psychosis, or other major obstacles to normal functioning.
Simply put, there's always a way to get by, *especially* if you're energetic and positively motivated.
Meanwhile, the advantages associated with hypomanic personality traits are as strong as ever.
I would argue that things have moved to a point where the benefits of some mild degree of hypomania outweigh the risks.Yes, the "self-esteem brigade" may be raising intolerably flighty, frivolous young adults, but in the end that may the best thing for them.
(At least until TEOTWAWKI hits, and those young whipper-snappers are the first to get eaten by the zombies ;-)</sentencetext>
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	<title>the "victimhood industry"</title>
	<author>peter303</author>
	<datestamp>1263318960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Several factions benefit from people becoming perpetual victims of some perceived illness.  First are the so-called victims themselves whom qualify for remedy programs and government disability.  Second are the venders of these programs like psychiatrists and drug companies.  Third are politician who leverage these slights to further these careers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Several factions benefit from people becoming perpetual victims of some perceived illness .
First are the so-called victims themselves whom qualify for remedy programs and government disability .
Second are the venders of these programs like psychiatrists and drug companies .
Third are politician who leverage these slights to further these careers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Several factions benefit from people becoming perpetual victims of some perceived illness.
First are the so-called victims themselves whom qualify for remedy programs and government disability.
Second are the venders of these programs like psychiatrists and drug companies.
Third are politician who leverage these slights to further these careers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30739048</id>
	<title>A out of this world explication...</title>
	<author>jeanph01</author>
	<datestamp>1263318840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am currently studying the phenomenon of spirit possession. I know it is designated as crazy on this newsgroup but I take the risk of a least writing about it. From my readings, I would say that most young people today are likely to be owned by one or more bodies of deceased persons. The fact that religion and interest in what happens after death is rejected as a whole since the 40-50 could explain a large mass of people died since the last 15-20 years, with no or little spiritual cue, come back to haunt consciously or not the spirit of young people who are easy prey.<br>The solution is therapies based on hypnosis and regression.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am currently studying the phenomenon of spirit possession .
I know it is designated as crazy on this newsgroup but I take the risk of a least writing about it .
From my readings , I would say that most young people today are likely to be owned by one or more bodies of deceased persons .
The fact that religion and interest in what happens after death is rejected as a whole since the 40-50 could explain a large mass of people died since the last 15-20 years , with no or little spiritual cue , come back to haunt consciously or not the spirit of young people who are easy prey.The solution is therapies based on hypnosis and regression .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am currently studying the phenomenon of spirit possession.
I know it is designated as crazy on this newsgroup but I take the risk of a least writing about it.
From my readings, I would say that most young people today are likely to be owned by one or more bodies of deceased persons.
The fact that religion and interest in what happens after death is rejected as a whole since the 40-50 could explain a large mass of people died since the last 15-20 years, with no or little spiritual cue, come back to haunt consciously or not the spirit of young people who are easy prey.The solution is therapies based on hypnosis and regression.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:How does this make you FEEL?</title>
	<author>mahadiga</author>
	<datestamp>1263475140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>They don't know anything but they FEEL really good about it</p></div></blockquote><p>
As per research studies there is no such thing as <a href="http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/inmotiv.htm" title="osu.edu" rel="nofollow">intrinsic motivation.</a> [osu.edu]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They do n't know anything but they FEEL really good about it As per research studies there is no such thing as intrinsic motivation .
[ osu.edu ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They don't know anything but they FEEL really good about it
As per research studies there is no such thing as intrinsic motivation.
[osu.edu]
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	<title>Re:Greater Knowledge</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263315300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The writeup and headline just reminded me of my <b>grandmother's husband</b> </i></p><p>You mean your grandfather?  You have basically 'demonized' him by calling him something else.  As someone once put it to me you can pick your friends but you rarely get to pick your family.</p><p>Perhaps you need to see it from his point of view instead of just assuming that whatever you were taught/thought up is <b>THE RIGHT WAY</b>.  Maybe he is wrong.  But you belittle him and treat him like a child.  When in fact it is you who are acting as the know-it-all brat.  In fact you go out of your way to make sure you do not show any sort of respect for him.  Maybe he is deserving of this but you play into it and only make matters worse.  In fact you are doing exactly what you hate him for.  That is 'classifying' him as something else.  If you do not change this it will only get worse.</p><p>I have known many homosexuals.  There are the flaming queens, and the conservatives.  The flaming queens are just trying to draw attention to themselves.  Most queens are rude and in your face only for one reason.  That is to offend.  It is not about their orientation or whatever.  They like the attention (good or bad) they get from it.  They will tell you this (Ive asked many).</p><p>Let me also show you something.  Your first encounter with me and I already think you are an arrogant jerk.  Is that really the way you present yourself to others?  People with real knowledge share it when others need it to help them at the right moment.  You need this because even when someone does you wrong in some way you should still treat those around you with respect.  You will find others respect you when you give respect away.  If you show up and act like you have a chip on your shoulder people for some reason instinctively want to knock it off.  Why do I tell you this?  You showed up and started ranting about "old people" and your "grandmother's husband".  You are showing just as much intolerance as they do to others.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The writeup and headline just reminded me of my grandmother 's husband You mean your grandfather ?
You have basically 'demonized ' him by calling him something else .
As someone once put it to me you can pick your friends but you rarely get to pick your family.Perhaps you need to see it from his point of view instead of just assuming that whatever you were taught/thought up is THE RIGHT WAY .
Maybe he is wrong .
But you belittle him and treat him like a child .
When in fact it is you who are acting as the know-it-all brat .
In fact you go out of your way to make sure you do not show any sort of respect for him .
Maybe he is deserving of this but you play into it and only make matters worse .
In fact you are doing exactly what you hate him for .
That is 'classifying ' him as something else .
If you do not change this it will only get worse.I have known many homosexuals .
There are the flaming queens , and the conservatives .
The flaming queens are just trying to draw attention to themselves .
Most queens are rude and in your face only for one reason .
That is to offend .
It is not about their orientation or whatever .
They like the attention ( good or bad ) they get from it .
They will tell you this ( Ive asked many ) .Let me also show you something .
Your first encounter with me and I already think you are an arrogant jerk .
Is that really the way you present yourself to others ?
People with real knowledge share it when others need it to help them at the right moment .
You need this because even when someone does you wrong in some way you should still treat those around you with respect .
You will find others respect you when you give respect away .
If you show up and act like you have a chip on your shoulder people for some reason instinctively want to knock it off .
Why do I tell you this ?
You showed up and started ranting about " old people " and your " grandmother 's husband " .
You are showing just as much intolerance as they do to others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The writeup and headline just reminded me of my grandmother's husband You mean your grandfather?
You have basically 'demonized' him by calling him something else.
As someone once put it to me you can pick your friends but you rarely get to pick your family.Perhaps you need to see it from his point of view instead of just assuming that whatever you were taught/thought up is THE RIGHT WAY.
Maybe he is wrong.
But you belittle him and treat him like a child.
When in fact it is you who are acting as the know-it-all brat.
In fact you go out of your way to make sure you do not show any sort of respect for him.
Maybe he is deserving of this but you play into it and only make matters worse.
In fact you are doing exactly what you hate him for.
That is 'classifying' him as something else.
If you do not change this it will only get worse.I have known many homosexuals.
There are the flaming queens, and the conservatives.
The flaming queens are just trying to draw attention to themselves.
Most queens are rude and in your face only for one reason.
That is to offend.
It is not about their orientation or whatever.
They like the attention (good or bad) they get from it.
They will tell you this (Ive asked many).Let me also show you something.
Your first encounter with me and I already think you are an arrogant jerk.
Is that really the way you present yourself to others?
People with real knowledge share it when others need it to help them at the right moment.
You need this because even when someone does you wrong in some way you should still treat those around you with respect.
You will find others respect you when you give respect away.
If you show up and act like you have a chip on your shoulder people for some reason instinctively want to knock it off.
Why do I tell you this?
You showed up and started ranting about "old people" and your "grandmother's husband".
You are showing just as much intolerance as they do to others.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Some really desolate lawns</title>
	<author>Angst Badger</author>
	<datestamp>1263315660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One of the things I find most annoying about Slashdot is the knee-jerk reflex some people have to respond to any unflattering comparison of the present day to some time in the past with, "Get off my lawn!" Yet strangely, when such mockery is genuinely appropriate in response to most of the comments here, it's nowhere to be seen.</p><p>I don't know what parallel universe most of the commenters are coming from -- whether most of them are childless or just get their version of reality from FOX News, I don't know -- but the environment in which <i>my</i> teenager finds herself is highly competitive, not remotely cocooning or coddling, and in many ways significantly more stressful than the one I grew up in. And I don't have her on any medication.</p><p>The thing that strikes me about today's kids is how obsessively schedule-driven they are. My daughter never seems to actually stop thinking about school or what she has to do next, and most of her friends are the same way. I suspect that this is at least partly responsible for the level of anxiety and depression in kids today. Far from lacking competition and discipline, the environment in which they move seems to have a surfeit of it, at least compared to my teenage experience in the 1980's, which was notoriously manic in its time but seems comparatively relaxed today.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the things I find most annoying about Slashdot is the knee-jerk reflex some people have to respond to any unflattering comparison of the present day to some time in the past with , " Get off my lawn !
" Yet strangely , when such mockery is genuinely appropriate in response to most of the comments here , it 's nowhere to be seen.I do n't know what parallel universe most of the commenters are coming from -- whether most of them are childless or just get their version of reality from FOX News , I do n't know -- but the environment in which my teenager finds herself is highly competitive , not remotely cocooning or coddling , and in many ways significantly more stressful than the one I grew up in .
And I do n't have her on any medication.The thing that strikes me about today 's kids is how obsessively schedule-driven they are .
My daughter never seems to actually stop thinking about school or what she has to do next , and most of her friends are the same way .
I suspect that this is at least partly responsible for the level of anxiety and depression in kids today .
Far from lacking competition and discipline , the environment in which they move seems to have a surfeit of it , at least compared to my teenage experience in the 1980 's , which was notoriously manic in its time but seems comparatively relaxed today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the things I find most annoying about Slashdot is the knee-jerk reflex some people have to respond to any unflattering comparison of the present day to some time in the past with, "Get off my lawn!
" Yet strangely, when such mockery is genuinely appropriate in response to most of the comments here, it's nowhere to be seen.I don't know what parallel universe most of the commenters are coming from -- whether most of them are childless or just get their version of reality from FOX News, I don't know -- but the environment in which my teenager finds herself is highly competitive, not remotely cocooning or coddling, and in many ways significantly more stressful than the one I grew up in.
And I don't have her on any medication.The thing that strikes me about today's kids is how obsessively schedule-driven they are.
My daughter never seems to actually stop thinking about school or what she has to do next, and most of her friends are the same way.
I suspect that this is at least partly responsible for the level of anxiety and depression in kids today.
Far from lacking competition and discipline, the environment in which they move seems to have a surfeit of it, at least compared to my teenage experience in the 1980's, which was notoriously manic in its time but seems comparatively relaxed today.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:The Criticisms as Outlined in the Article</title>
	<author>jafac</author>
	<datestamp>1263304920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it's really mostly just a matter of opinion, or point-of-view.</p><p>The most toxic attitude I see most people having, is this horrid irrational fear that they're a selfish person, or too self-centered or not good enough, not likeable enough, don't pay enough attention to other people's "moods" or "signals", don't fulfill our partner's "wants" and "needs" - - - and then they madly scramble around trying to make other people happy, because they believe that is the key to their own happiness.  And every religion - on the SURFACE, preaches this crap too.  And it's complete bullshit.</p><p>Do what they tell you in the pre-flight safety briefing.  In case of sudden loss of cabin pressure, put your own damn oxygen mask on FIRST.  THEN help the person next to you (if they need it). Because if you try to help the other person, and fail, then you both fucking DIE.</p><p>I mean, there's this email thing.  If we don't check our email enough, we're terrified we're going to miss someone's important email, and offend someone, miss an important opportunity.  TV? If we miss that one episode of Glee, then tomorrow at work, when everyone's talking about it, you're going to be standing there like a dork. Excluded.  Ostracized. Like those nerds in glee club back in high school.  Money?  Hey, let's all talk about the car we bought last year.  And of course - it LOOKS like selfishness, but it's not.  It's people - in sheer terror of that inner-critic, telling them they're not a good-enough person.  The disease is anti-selfishness.  It's overcompensation for a perceived weakness, that for most people, just isn't there.</p><p>And our culture reinforces it, it's a closed feedback loop.  Because it sells stuff. And keeps people employed. And keeps us prosperous.  So we can maybe get that Lexus with the leather seats next year, instead of cloth.  So our peers will like us. Because that's what the commercial implies.</p><p>Depression?</p><p>It has nothing to do with drugs, or bicycle helmets, or being selfish, or not trusting God, or not contemplating one's navel, or not thinking positively, or having parents who were narcissistic (except in the capacity that they're too damn ashamed to face their own imaginary demons to be authentic with their kids, and modeling that emotional authenticity for them).  Is it neurotransmitters?  Or is overactive neurotransmitter reuptake another symptom?</p><p>What's the solution?</p><p>There is no solution.  We, as a culture, self-destruct. (hopefully). That's the path most of us are on, as individuals.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's really mostly just a matter of opinion , or point-of-view.The most toxic attitude I see most people having , is this horrid irrational fear that they 're a selfish person , or too self-centered or not good enough , not likeable enough , do n't pay enough attention to other people 's " moods " or " signals " , do n't fulfill our partner 's " wants " and " needs " - - - and then they madly scramble around trying to make other people happy , because they believe that is the key to their own happiness .
And every religion - on the SURFACE , preaches this crap too .
And it 's complete bullshit.Do what they tell you in the pre-flight safety briefing .
In case of sudden loss of cabin pressure , put your own damn oxygen mask on FIRST .
THEN help the person next to you ( if they need it ) .
Because if you try to help the other person , and fail , then you both fucking DIE.I mean , there 's this email thing .
If we do n't check our email enough , we 're terrified we 're going to miss someone 's important email , and offend someone , miss an important opportunity .
TV ? If we miss that one episode of Glee , then tomorrow at work , when everyone 's talking about it , you 're going to be standing there like a dork .
Excluded. Ostracized .
Like those nerds in glee club back in high school .
Money ? Hey , let 's all talk about the car we bought last year .
And of course - it LOOKS like selfishness , but it 's not .
It 's people - in sheer terror of that inner-critic , telling them they 're not a good-enough person .
The disease is anti-selfishness .
It 's overcompensation for a perceived weakness , that for most people , just is n't there.And our culture reinforces it , it 's a closed feedback loop .
Because it sells stuff .
And keeps people employed .
And keeps us prosperous .
So we can maybe get that Lexus with the leather seats next year , instead of cloth .
So our peers will like us .
Because that 's what the commercial implies.Depression ? It has nothing to do with drugs , or bicycle helmets , or being selfish , or not trusting God , or not contemplating one 's navel , or not thinking positively , or having parents who were narcissistic ( except in the capacity that they 're too damn ashamed to face their own imaginary demons to be authentic with their kids , and modeling that emotional authenticity for them ) .
Is it neurotransmitters ?
Or is overactive neurotransmitter reuptake another symptom ? What 's the solution ? There is no solution .
We , as a culture , self-destruct .
( hopefully ) . That 's the path most of us are on , as individuals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's really mostly just a matter of opinion, or point-of-view.The most toxic attitude I see most people having, is this horrid irrational fear that they're a selfish person, or too self-centered or not good enough, not likeable enough, don't pay enough attention to other people's "moods" or "signals", don't fulfill our partner's "wants" and "needs" - - - and then they madly scramble around trying to make other people happy, because they believe that is the key to their own happiness.
And every religion - on the SURFACE, preaches this crap too.
And it's complete bullshit.Do what they tell you in the pre-flight safety briefing.
In case of sudden loss of cabin pressure, put your own damn oxygen mask on FIRST.
THEN help the person next to you (if they need it).
Because if you try to help the other person, and fail, then you both fucking DIE.I mean, there's this email thing.
If we don't check our email enough, we're terrified we're going to miss someone's important email, and offend someone, miss an important opportunity.
TV? If we miss that one episode of Glee, then tomorrow at work, when everyone's talking about it, you're going to be standing there like a dork.
Excluded.  Ostracized.
Like those nerds in glee club back in high school.
Money?  Hey, let's all talk about the car we bought last year.
And of course - it LOOKS like selfishness, but it's not.
It's people - in sheer terror of that inner-critic, telling them they're not a good-enough person.
The disease is anti-selfishness.
It's overcompensation for a perceived weakness, that for most people, just isn't there.And our culture reinforces it, it's a closed feedback loop.
Because it sells stuff.
And keeps people employed.
And keeps us prosperous.
So we can maybe get that Lexus with the leather seats next year, instead of cloth.
So our peers will like us.
Because that's what the commercial implies.Depression?It has nothing to do with drugs, or bicycle helmets, or being selfish, or not trusting God, or not contemplating one's navel, or not thinking positively, or having parents who were narcissistic (except in the capacity that they're too damn ashamed to face their own imaginary demons to be authentic with their kids, and modeling that emotional authenticity for them).
Is it neurotransmitters?
Or is overactive neurotransmitter reuptake another symptom?What's the solution?There is no solution.
We, as a culture, self-destruct.
(hopefully). That's the path most of us are on, as individuals.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Thats great, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263415620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...how illnesses, mental, physical, or otherwise, were classified and measured has changed since 1938. More than demonstrating that today's youth might be mentally out of kilter is that the article demonstrates that the classification of what constituted a mental illness has changed between 1938 and now. Should this seem a shock to us, remember that prior to the early 1940s, eugenics still held considerable influence in both scientific and non-scientific circles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...how illnesses , mental , physical , or otherwise , were classified and measured has changed since 1938 .
More than demonstrating that today 's youth might be mentally out of kilter is that the article demonstrates that the classification of what constituted a mental illness has changed between 1938 and now .
Should this seem a shock to us , remember that prior to the early 1940s , eugenics still held considerable influence in both scientific and non-scientific circles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...how illnesses, mental, physical, or otherwise, were classified and measured has changed since 1938.
More than demonstrating that today's youth might be mentally out of kilter is that the article demonstrates that the classification of what constituted a mental illness has changed between 1938 and now.
Should this seem a shock to us, remember that prior to the early 1940s, eugenics still held considerable influence in both scientific and non-scientific circles.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Actual Data or Trendy Teen?</title>
	<author>geekmux</author>
	<datestamp>1263311580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know that this data spanned several decades, but one has to wonder what the impact of "teen angst", complete with its own social class (Jock, Geek, "Emo") has now, against a survey like this?</p><p>Yes, large amounts of data through several decades is nice, but when it's now "popular" to act like a Tim Burton character or a "death for true love" torn "Vampire", I can't help but take this data with a grain of salt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know that this data spanned several decades , but one has to wonder what the impact of " teen angst " , complete with its own social class ( Jock , Geek , " Emo " ) has now , against a survey like this ? Yes , large amounts of data through several decades is nice , but when it 's now " popular " to act like a Tim Burton character or a " death for true love " torn " Vampire " , I ca n't help but take this data with a grain of salt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know that this data spanned several decades, but one has to wonder what the impact of "teen angst", complete with its own social class (Jock, Geek, "Emo") has now, against a survey like this?Yes, large amounts of data through several decades is nice, but when it's now "popular" to act like a Tim Burton character or a "death for true love" torn "Vampire", I can't help but take this data with a grain of salt.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:"Orchid Children"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263328020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a bully, you insensitive clod. Now who wins?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a bully , you insensitive clod .
Now who wins ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a bully, you insensitive clod.
Now who wins?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:How does this make you FEEL?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263317460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not just the school system.  We have essentially created a two-tier society.</p><p>You can have people live their entire lives in the feel 'good' system.<br>Go to public school.<br>Go to public university.<br>Get a job in the public sector, or academia.</p><p>They can go through their entire lives in a system that has at is philosophy 'as long as you feel like you're doing good... that is all that counts... and you deserve lots of money for it too'.</p><p>Naturally, they end up in the political class and have an over-inflated sense of their worth, because that's the only system they've lived in.</p><p>They never have to make real decisions or bare the consequences of their policies.  Because well... as long as they tried...</p><p>Their work attitude is just sad as well.  We just recently had a young new grad join.  Lazy and incompetent.  But she would rant on upon how the government must have light rail and high speed rail everywhere.  I'm thinking... you know... those cost money.  Transit workers are expensive, especially when they're unionized.  How do you propose to fund this with lazy people like yourself?  Of course I didn't say that... but that was going through my mind.</p><p>I guess her answer was... tax other people.</p><p>The sad part is... the US youth who grow up in the public school system and this mentality... but are unable to leech off others by getting a job in the public sector... now they end up really hitting a wall when reality hits so to speak.  It's not unsolvable though.  Humans are pretty resilient.  The US youth will adapt if given the chance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not just the school system .
We have essentially created a two-tier society.You can have people live their entire lives in the feel 'good ' system.Go to public school.Go to public university.Get a job in the public sector , or academia.They can go through their entire lives in a system that has at is philosophy 'as long as you feel like you 're doing good... that is all that counts... and you deserve lots of money for it too'.Naturally , they end up in the political class and have an over-inflated sense of their worth , because that 's the only system they 've lived in.They never have to make real decisions or bare the consequences of their policies .
Because well... as long as they tried...Their work attitude is just sad as well .
We just recently had a young new grad join .
Lazy and incompetent .
But she would rant on upon how the government must have light rail and high speed rail everywhere .
I 'm thinking... you know... those cost money .
Transit workers are expensive , especially when they 're unionized .
How do you propose to fund this with lazy people like yourself ?
Of course I did n't say that... but that was going through my mind.I guess her answer was... tax other people.The sad part is... the US youth who grow up in the public school system and this mentality... but are unable to leech off others by getting a job in the public sector... now they end up really hitting a wall when reality hits so to speak .
It 's not unsolvable though .
Humans are pretty resilient .
The US youth will adapt if given the chance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not just the school system.
We have essentially created a two-tier society.You can have people live their entire lives in the feel 'good' system.Go to public school.Go to public university.Get a job in the public sector, or academia.They can go through their entire lives in a system that has at is philosophy 'as long as you feel like you're doing good... that is all that counts... and you deserve lots of money for it too'.Naturally, they end up in the political class and have an over-inflated sense of their worth, because that's the only system they've lived in.They never have to make real decisions or bare the consequences of their policies.
Because well... as long as they tried...Their work attitude is just sad as well.
We just recently had a young new grad join.
Lazy and incompetent.
But she would rant on upon how the government must have light rail and high speed rail everywhere.
I'm thinking... you know... those cost money.
Transit workers are expensive, especially when they're unionized.
How do you propose to fund this with lazy people like yourself?
Of course I didn't say that... but that was going through my mind.I guess her answer was... tax other people.The sad part is... the US youth who grow up in the public school system and this mentality... but are unable to leech off others by getting a job in the public sector... now they end up really hitting a wall when reality hits so to speak.
It's not unsolvable though.
Humans are pretty resilient.
The US youth will adapt if given the chance.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Less time in Church</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263326760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>They need to spend less time in Church worrying about the rapture, and more time enjoying life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They need to spend less time in Church worrying about the rapture , and more time enjoying life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They need to spend less time in Church worrying about the rapture, and more time enjoying life.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:You get what you pay for.</title>
	<author>david\_thornley</author>
	<datestamp>1263323160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>when I look at teens today, it's terrifying how basically ignorant they are, and how amazingly short their attention spans are</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Is there a period in history when this hasn't been true?
</p><p>
Teens simply haven't had time to learn all that much about history or culture or geography.  They lack the experience and maturity to have fully adult attention spans.  Their brains aren't fully developed, and they don't have full adult language skills.  These are the basic biological and developmental facts.
</p><p>
You think of yourself as the person you are today, and very likely project that back on your teen years.  At the least, you're probably not as conscious of being ignorant, because you were learning, or flighty, since you didn't stand out as such.</p></div>
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<tokenext>when I look at teens today , it 's terrifying how basically ignorant they are , and how amazingly short their attention spans are Is there a period in history when this has n't been true ?
Teens simply have n't had time to learn all that much about history or culture or geography .
They lack the experience and maturity to have fully adult attention spans .
Their brains are n't fully developed , and they do n't have full adult language skills .
These are the basic biological and developmental facts .
You think of yourself as the person you are today , and very likely project that back on your teen years .
At the least , you 're probably not as conscious of being ignorant , because you were learning , or flighty , since you did n't stand out as such .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>when I look at teens today, it's terrifying how basically ignorant they are, and how amazingly short their attention spans are

Is there a period in history when this hasn't been true?
Teens simply haven't had time to learn all that much about history or culture or geography.
They lack the experience and maturity to have fully adult attention spans.
Their brains aren't fully developed, and they don't have full adult language skills.
These are the basic biological and developmental facts.
You think of yourself as the person you are today, and very likely project that back on your teen years.
At the least, you're probably not as conscious of being ignorant, because you were learning, or flighty, since you didn't stand out as such.
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	<title>Information Anxiety is the new ADD.</title>
	<author>ProppaT</author>
	<datestamp>1263311700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Welcome to the year 2000 (er, 2010) and meet your new friend Information Anxiety.  I'm 30 years old and I feel it.  I constantly feel like I need to keep up with news, this and that, hobbies and interests that are fueled by easy access to information on the internet, social networking, friends, internet friends, real life friends that I only really see on the internet these days.  Now compound all of that into a teenager's mind along with high school pressures, school work, trying to find themselves, hormones and being awkward, the opposite sex (or even harder yet, maybe the same sex), etc.</p><p>100 years ago, our main concerns were food, shelter, and family.  These are second thoughts for many these days.  I recently quit social networking for half a year and it was one of the best things I've ever done for myself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to the year 2000 ( er , 2010 ) and meet your new friend Information Anxiety .
I 'm 30 years old and I feel it .
I constantly feel like I need to keep up with news , this and that , hobbies and interests that are fueled by easy access to information on the internet , social networking , friends , internet friends , real life friends that I only really see on the internet these days .
Now compound all of that into a teenager 's mind along with high school pressures , school work , trying to find themselves , hormones and being awkward , the opposite sex ( or even harder yet , maybe the same sex ) , etc.100 years ago , our main concerns were food , shelter , and family .
These are second thoughts for many these days .
I recently quit social networking for half a year and it was one of the best things I 've ever done for myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to the year 2000 (er, 2010) and meet your new friend Information Anxiety.
I'm 30 years old and I feel it.
I constantly feel like I need to keep up with news, this and that, hobbies and interests that are fueled by easy access to information on the internet, social networking, friends, internet friends, real life friends that I only really see on the internet these days.
Now compound all of that into a teenager's mind along with high school pressures, school work, trying to find themselves, hormones and being awkward, the opposite sex (or even harder yet, maybe the same sex), etc.100 years ago, our main concerns were food, shelter, and family.
These are second thoughts for many these days.
I recently quit social networking for half a year and it was one of the best things I've ever done for myself.</sentencetext>
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	<title>regarding Hypomania</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263310980000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>from wikipedia</p><p>"Classic symptoms of hypomania include mild euphoria, a flood of ideas, endless energy, and a desire and drive for success."</p><p>I'd attribute that to pharm parties, adderall and redbull.</p><p>Nothing to see here.  Move along.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>from wikipedia " Classic symptoms of hypomania include mild euphoria , a flood of ideas , endless energy , and a desire and drive for success .
" I 'd attribute that to pharm parties , adderall and redbull.Nothing to see here .
Move along .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>from wikipedia"Classic symptoms of hypomania include mild euphoria, a flood of ideas, endless energy, and a desire and drive for success.
"I'd attribute that to pharm parties, adderall and redbull.Nothing to see here.
Move along.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Is it even a valid comparison?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263311460000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>The original MMPI was developed in the 30's based on people in Minnesota who had psychological problems. Is the comparison even valid due to the present ways of thinking, greater blending of cultures, etc.?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The original MMPI was developed in the 30 's based on people in Minnesota who had psychological problems .
Is the comparison even valid due to the present ways of thinking , greater blending of cultures , etc .
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The original MMPI was developed in the 30's based on people in Minnesota who had psychological problems.
Is the comparison even valid due to the present ways of thinking, greater blending of cultures, etc.
?</sentencetext>
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	<title>It seems pretty simple to me.</title>
	<author>netsavior</author>
	<datestamp>1263311340000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Children today are encouraged to speak their feelings, to elaborate on their dreams and their worries, the technology and culture to do so are omnipresent.<br> <br>
Women didn't suddenly develop personal politics the instant the 19th amendment was passed, they were simply more allowed to exercise it.<br> <br>
Children are more deep, complex, disturbed, ADD, Autistic, sexual, etc etc, because they are allowed to communicate in a more meaningful way than they were before.<br> <br>
In a "Don't speak unless spoken to" culture, it takes a fool to wonder why nobody knew what children were thinking.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Children today are encouraged to speak their feelings , to elaborate on their dreams and their worries , the technology and culture to do so are omnipresent .
Women did n't suddenly develop personal politics the instant the 19th amendment was passed , they were simply more allowed to exercise it .
Children are more deep , complex , disturbed , ADD , Autistic , sexual , etc etc , because they are allowed to communicate in a more meaningful way than they were before .
In a " Do n't speak unless spoken to " culture , it takes a fool to wonder why nobody knew what children were thinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Children today are encouraged to speak their feelings, to elaborate on their dreams and their worries, the technology and culture to do so are omnipresent.
Women didn't suddenly develop personal politics the instant the 19th amendment was passed, they were simply more allowed to exercise it.
Children are more deep, complex, disturbed, ADD, Autistic, sexual, etc etc, because they are allowed to communicate in a more meaningful way than they were before.
In a "Don't speak unless spoken to" culture, it takes a fool to wonder why nobody knew what children were thinking.</sentencetext>
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	<title>a natural side effect</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263316320000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>issues come from thinking a lot about something and caring a lot about "it". in todays world, we are soo in tune with everything and every issue that you need to pay attention to everything you do. and mental issues stem from worrying. so this is a natural effect of what happens to a society that keeps on "trying" correcting itself, in my opinion.</p><p>also, if you think about our population and whatever topic has a bell curve of opinions, it just means that the percentages stay the same on the outside of those whom have problems, but the numbers are always increasing because our population is increasing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>issues come from thinking a lot about something and caring a lot about " it " .
in todays world , we are soo in tune with everything and every issue that you need to pay attention to everything you do .
and mental issues stem from worrying .
so this is a natural effect of what happens to a society that keeps on " trying " correcting itself , in my opinion.also , if you think about our population and whatever topic has a bell curve of opinions , it just means that the percentages stay the same on the outside of those whom have problems , but the numbers are always increasing because our population is increasing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>issues come from thinking a lot about something and caring a lot about "it".
in todays world, we are soo in tune with everything and every issue that you need to pay attention to everything you do.
and mental issues stem from worrying.
so this is a natural effect of what happens to a society that keeps on "trying" correcting itself, in my opinion.also, if you think about our population and whatever topic has a bell curve of opinions, it just means that the percentages stay the same on the outside of those whom have problems, but the numbers are always increasing because our population is increasing.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What about Europe and Asia?</title>
	<author>phorm</author>
	<datestamp>1263317220000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>That's the real question, isn't it. Is the number of incidences actually up, or simply the number of diagnoses (or hell, "syndromes" that a person can be diagnosed with) up?</p><p>Are people of lesser mental health now, or is it just more acceptable to complain of and/or diagnose as such?</p><p>That's not to say that in some cases it isn't a good thing. If "person X" comes in to see a doctor because of major personal/emotional issues and gets some counselling or possibly medication, when he/she would have ended up on a rooftop with a high-powered rifle otherwise, that's a good thing.<br>If that person gets a measured and monitored dosage of pills that actually works, rather than "drinking away the pain" with several liters of booze every night (and beating his wife/kids), the pills may be a better solution.<br>If "Mike Hardcore" goes to the hospital after accidentally shooting himself in the skull with a nail gun, rather than "manning up" by pulling it out himself, sticking on a bandaid, and applying some iodine... probably better.</p><p>However, if Joe Usual has to go see the shrink every time he gets dumped by a girlfriend, passed up for a promotion, or doesn't win the lottery and a ticket to all-play-and-no-work for the rest of eternity, because he's an spoiled ass with an expanded sense of entitlement, that's worse. If Jane Usual won't let her son play on the school playground for fear of any little injury, or worse, sues the school when he falls from the monkey bars and skins his knee, that's worse.<br>When Jane takes her daughter to the emergency room (also overfilled with other Jane Usuals) every time she has a coughs, cries for more than two minutes, or "her poop was a funny color" (after having eating a stomach-full of food-colouring filled candies), that's bad.</p><p>So yeah, good for some people, bad for others. There are definitely a lot of whiny, lazy people out there who would do anything to get out of working and/or dealing with life. There are also a lot of people who genuinely just need a little help.</p><p>I know one person who definitely had some major depression issues going. She got some temporarily chill-pills, which gave her time to reorganize her life, and things came out OK. It's not that uncommon.<br>I also know of plenty of people who are perfectly capable of working and leading normal lives, but would rather be hand-held through everything, live off welfare, and generally do nothing to contribute to society other than bearing multiple children who are ignored, mistreated, and will otherwise be good candidates for seeing a shrink in the future themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the real question , is n't it .
Is the number of incidences actually up , or simply the number of diagnoses ( or hell , " syndromes " that a person can be diagnosed with ) up ? Are people of lesser mental health now , or is it just more acceptable to complain of and/or diagnose as such ? That 's not to say that in some cases it is n't a good thing .
If " person X " comes in to see a doctor because of major personal/emotional issues and gets some counselling or possibly medication , when he/she would have ended up on a rooftop with a high-powered rifle otherwise , that 's a good thing.If that person gets a measured and monitored dosage of pills that actually works , rather than " drinking away the pain " with several liters of booze every night ( and beating his wife/kids ) , the pills may be a better solution.If " Mike Hardcore " goes to the hospital after accidentally shooting himself in the skull with a nail gun , rather than " manning up " by pulling it out himself , sticking on a bandaid , and applying some iodine... probably better.However , if Joe Usual has to go see the shrink every time he gets dumped by a girlfriend , passed up for a promotion , or does n't win the lottery and a ticket to all-play-and-no-work for the rest of eternity , because he 's an spoiled ass with an expanded sense of entitlement , that 's worse .
If Jane Usual wo n't let her son play on the school playground for fear of any little injury , or worse , sues the school when he falls from the monkey bars and skins his knee , that 's worse.When Jane takes her daughter to the emergency room ( also overfilled with other Jane Usuals ) every time she has a coughs , cries for more than two minutes , or " her poop was a funny color " ( after having eating a stomach-full of food-colouring filled candies ) , that 's bad.So yeah , good for some people , bad for others .
There are definitely a lot of whiny , lazy people out there who would do anything to get out of working and/or dealing with life .
There are also a lot of people who genuinely just need a little help.I know one person who definitely had some major depression issues going .
She got some temporarily chill-pills , which gave her time to reorganize her life , and things came out OK. It 's not that uncommon.I also know of plenty of people who are perfectly capable of working and leading normal lives , but would rather be hand-held through everything , live off welfare , and generally do nothing to contribute to society other than bearing multiple children who are ignored , mistreated , and will otherwise be good candidates for seeing a shrink in the future themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the real question, isn't it.
Is the number of incidences actually up, or simply the number of diagnoses (or hell, "syndromes" that a person can be diagnosed with) up?Are people of lesser mental health now, or is it just more acceptable to complain of and/or diagnose as such?That's not to say that in some cases it isn't a good thing.
If "person X" comes in to see a doctor because of major personal/emotional issues and gets some counselling or possibly medication, when he/she would have ended up on a rooftop with a high-powered rifle otherwise, that's a good thing.If that person gets a measured and monitored dosage of pills that actually works, rather than "drinking away the pain" with several liters of booze every night (and beating his wife/kids), the pills may be a better solution.If "Mike Hardcore" goes to the hospital after accidentally shooting himself in the skull with a nail gun, rather than "manning up" by pulling it out himself, sticking on a bandaid, and applying some iodine... probably better.However, if Joe Usual has to go see the shrink every time he gets dumped by a girlfriend, passed up for a promotion, or doesn't win the lottery and a ticket to all-play-and-no-work for the rest of eternity, because he's an spoiled ass with an expanded sense of entitlement, that's worse.
If Jane Usual won't let her son play on the school playground for fear of any little injury, or worse, sues the school when he falls from the monkey bars and skins his knee, that's worse.When Jane takes her daughter to the emergency room (also overfilled with other Jane Usuals) every time she has a coughs, cries for more than two minutes, or "her poop was a funny color" (after having eating a stomach-full of food-colouring filled candies), that's bad.So yeah, good for some people, bad for others.
There are definitely a lot of whiny, lazy people out there who would do anything to get out of working and/or dealing with life.
There are also a lot of people who genuinely just need a little help.I know one person who definitely had some major depression issues going.
She got some temporarily chill-pills, which gave her time to reorganize her life, and things came out OK. It's not that uncommon.I also know of plenty of people who are perfectly capable of working and leading normal lives, but would rather be hand-held through everything, live off welfare, and generally do nothing to contribute to society other than bearing multiple children who are ignored, mistreated, and will otherwise be good candidates for seeing a shrink in the future themselves.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Or maybe it's just diagnosed more</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1263311820000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>When poorer kids in the 1930's started having problems in school, they were labeled as "stupid" or "lazy", given D's and F's, and that was it. Now, a school counselor is brought in and a much more specific and medically accurate label for their problem and recommend a treatment for them.</p><p>For wealthier kids, it seems to be partially a way of ensuring that their kid does well in school and other activities. A lot of these parents are going to start thinking something is medically wrong if the kid's grades start slipping into the B-/C range, and will find a counselor who will tell them just that and create a treatment. A diagnosed mental illness can turn a C student into a B+/A student due to extra time on exams, special help on projects, and so forth, as well as drugs that improve concentration (among other things).</p><p>The upside of this pattern is that more kids who do have real mental illnesses are getting treated properly and are able to handle their schoolwork better, rather than being simply dismissed as bad students. The downside is that you now have a large population of kids (and adults for that matter) who are wandering around drugged and a much narrower understanding of what behavior is "normal" enough to be *not* indicative of a mental illness.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When poorer kids in the 1930 's started having problems in school , they were labeled as " stupid " or " lazy " , given D 's and F 's , and that was it .
Now , a school counselor is brought in and a much more specific and medically accurate label for their problem and recommend a treatment for them.For wealthier kids , it seems to be partially a way of ensuring that their kid does well in school and other activities .
A lot of these parents are going to start thinking something is medically wrong if the kid 's grades start slipping into the B-/C range , and will find a counselor who will tell them just that and create a treatment .
A diagnosed mental illness can turn a C student into a B + /A student due to extra time on exams , special help on projects , and so forth , as well as drugs that improve concentration ( among other things ) .The upside of this pattern is that more kids who do have real mental illnesses are getting treated properly and are able to handle their schoolwork better , rather than being simply dismissed as bad students .
The downside is that you now have a large population of kids ( and adults for that matter ) who are wandering around drugged and a much narrower understanding of what behavior is " normal " enough to be * not * indicative of a mental illness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When poorer kids in the 1930's started having problems in school, they were labeled as "stupid" or "lazy", given D's and F's, and that was it.
Now, a school counselor is brought in and a much more specific and medically accurate label for their problem and recommend a treatment for them.For wealthier kids, it seems to be partially a way of ensuring that their kid does well in school and other activities.
A lot of these parents are going to start thinking something is medically wrong if the kid's grades start slipping into the B-/C range, and will find a counselor who will tell them just that and create a treatment.
A diagnosed mental illness can turn a C student into a B+/A student due to extra time on exams, special help on projects, and so forth, as well as drugs that improve concentration (among other things).The upside of this pattern is that more kids who do have real mental illnesses are getting treated properly and are able to handle their schoolwork better, rather than being simply dismissed as bad students.
The downside is that you now have a large population of kids (and adults for that matter) who are wandering around drugged and a much narrower understanding of what behavior is "normal" enough to be *not* indicative of a mental illness.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Blame women</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263328800000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>We've seen an increase in children being over mothered and even the government becoming more of a nanny state while women have gained more power.
<br> <br>
Coincidence? I think not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've seen an increase in children being over mothered and even the government becoming more of a nanny state while women have gained more power .
Coincidence ? I think not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've seen an increase in children being over mothered and even the government becoming more of a nanny state while women have gained more power.
Coincidence? I think not.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Wait a minute!</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1263289380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>&gt;Overall, an average of five times as many students in 2007 surpassed thresholds in one or more mental health categories, compared with those who did so in 1938</p><p>We also have 5 times more population you gnit. No one ever factors time into their equation.</p><p>Same as with Avatar....wow the biggest grossing movie, the biggest expenditure, etc...etc...<br>You can't even compare this to 10 years ago to Titanic for christ's sake. We don't pay the same anymore to go see a movie!<br>As well, the cost of making the props or the film or paying the actors has gone up...so of course it costs more today then yesterday!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Overall , an average of five times as many students in 2007 surpassed thresholds in one or more mental health categories , compared with those who did so in 1938We also have 5 times more population you gnit .
No one ever factors time into their equation.Same as with Avatar....wow the biggest grossing movie , the biggest expenditure , etc...etc...You ca n't even compare this to 10 years ago to Titanic for christ 's sake .
We do n't pay the same anymore to go see a movie ! As well , the cost of making the props or the film or paying the actors has gone up...so of course it costs more today then yesterday !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Overall, an average of five times as many students in 2007 surpassed thresholds in one or more mental health categories, compared with those who did so in 1938We also have 5 times more population you gnit.
No one ever factors time into their equation.Same as with Avatar....wow the biggest grossing movie, the biggest expenditure, etc...etc...You can't even compare this to 10 years ago to Titanic for christ's sake.
We don't pay the same anymore to go see a movie!As well, the cost of making the props or the film or paying the actors has gone up...so of course it costs more today then yesterday!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30738202</id>
	<title>Re:You get what you pay for.</title>
	<author>DutchUncle</author>
	<datestamp>1263316020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>&gt;&gt;&gt;when I look at teens today, it's terrifying how basically ignorant they are, and how amazingly short their attention spans are.

Gee, us 50+ folks thought the same about *you*.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)  Then realized we sounded like our parents.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)
<br> <br>
The problem is there's truth in it.  The pace of technological change has been much faster than the pace at which society and individuals can adjust in a sensible fashion.  Witness the thread about privacy expectations.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; when I look at teens today , it 's terrifying how basically ignorant they are , and how amazingly short their attention spans are .
Gee , us 50 + folks thought the same about * you * .
: - ) Then realized we sounded like our parents .
: - ) : - ) : - ) The problem is there 's truth in it .
The pace of technological change has been much faster than the pace at which society and individuals can adjust in a sensible fashion .
Witness the thread about privacy expectations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;when I look at teens today, it's terrifying how basically ignorant they are, and how amazingly short their attention spans are.
Gee, us 50+ folks thought the same about *you*.
:-)  Then realized we sounded like our parents.
:-) :-) :-)
 
The problem is there's truth in it.
The pace of technological change has been much faster than the pace at which society and individuals can adjust in a sensible fashion.
Witness the thread about privacy expectations.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30738478</id>
	<title>Re:previous generations</title>
	<author>flabordec</author>
	<datestamp>1263316980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>According to the UNICEF, <a href="http://www.unicef.org/mdg/poverty.html" title="unicef.org" rel="nofollow">about 600 million kids live on less than US $1 a day.</a> [unicef.org] According to another source, <a href="http://www.heartsandminds.org/articles/childpov.htm" title="heartsandminds.org" rel="nofollow">15 million kids in the USA are below the poverty line</a> [heartsandminds.org]. Those kids are having it pretty bad right now, some of them are even dying of hunger every day. Fortunately neither you nor me are in that position, but some poor kids these days have it very tough.</p><p>I agree with you that many kids have become prima donnas and they don't really know what is having a hard time. I think that many kids are blaming any of their shortcomings on their parents or on social pressure or on tons of other stuff instead of manning up and taking responsability. But I wouldn't say that didn't happen during my generation and I wouldn't say that today's stresses aren't comparable to yesterday's. You know what they say: nostalgia ain't what it used to be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the UNICEF , about 600 million kids live on less than US $ 1 a day .
[ unicef.org ] According to another source , 15 million kids in the USA are below the poverty line [ heartsandminds.org ] .
Those kids are having it pretty bad right now , some of them are even dying of hunger every day .
Fortunately neither you nor me are in that position , but some poor kids these days have it very tough.I agree with you that many kids have become prima donnas and they do n't really know what is having a hard time .
I think that many kids are blaming any of their shortcomings on their parents or on social pressure or on tons of other stuff instead of manning up and taking responsability .
But I would n't say that did n't happen during my generation and I would n't say that today 's stresses are n't comparable to yesterday 's .
You know what they say : nostalgia ai n't what it used to be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the UNICEF, about 600 million kids live on less than US $1 a day.
[unicef.org] According to another source, 15 million kids in the USA are below the poverty line [heartsandminds.org].
Those kids are having it pretty bad right now, some of them are even dying of hunger every day.
Fortunately neither you nor me are in that position, but some poor kids these days have it very tough.I agree with you that many kids have become prima donnas and they don't really know what is having a hard time.
I think that many kids are blaming any of their shortcomings on their parents or on social pressure or on tons of other stuff instead of manning up and taking responsability.
But I wouldn't say that didn't happen during my generation and I wouldn't say that today's stresses aren't comparable to yesterday's.
You know what they say: nostalgia ain't what it used to be.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30737932</id>
	<title>skewed measure; biased sample</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263315060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>As a recently licensed psychologist, I have this to offer:</p><p>First, the study primarily used the MMPI (and presumably the MMPI-2) as its basis for symptom measurement. Any reasonable clinical psychologist would not use a single measure to outline a person's psychological profile. To do so would be unethical at best. Secondly, the MMPI-2 (and its precursor) has its share of validity questions. So the MMPI(-2) does not exactly provide the most accurate representation of symptom measurement. Another nitpicky detail: the MMPI-2 has not been validated for use with individuals under the age of 18. Thus the people represented are not exactly children any more.</p><p>Second, the study used a sample that consisted primarily of college students. Now if it had used a wider sample, including those from families who cannot afford to send their children to college, I would expect that the range and severity of psychological problems would be more pronounced. I work in a clinic that works primarily with children and families in an urban area where there are chronic concerns of unemployment, community violence, and child maltreatment (i.e., sexual abuse, physical abuse, exposure to domestic violence, neglect). Granted, this is an entirely different population than what the study addressed, but the notion of telling kids that they don't have problems and should stop being wussies shows a notion of that speaker being trapped inside his/her own bubble and not realizing a much broader world where someone can have a completely different life than him/herself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a recently licensed psychologist , I have this to offer : First , the study primarily used the MMPI ( and presumably the MMPI-2 ) as its basis for symptom measurement .
Any reasonable clinical psychologist would not use a single measure to outline a person 's psychological profile .
To do so would be unethical at best .
Secondly , the MMPI-2 ( and its precursor ) has its share of validity questions .
So the MMPI ( -2 ) does not exactly provide the most accurate representation of symptom measurement .
Another nitpicky detail : the MMPI-2 has not been validated for use with individuals under the age of 18 .
Thus the people represented are not exactly children any more.Second , the study used a sample that consisted primarily of college students .
Now if it had used a wider sample , including those from families who can not afford to send their children to college , I would expect that the range and severity of psychological problems would be more pronounced .
I work in a clinic that works primarily with children and families in an urban area where there are chronic concerns of unemployment , community violence , and child maltreatment ( i.e. , sexual abuse , physical abuse , exposure to domestic violence , neglect ) .
Granted , this is an entirely different population than what the study addressed , but the notion of telling kids that they do n't have problems and should stop being wussies shows a notion of that speaker being trapped inside his/her own bubble and not realizing a much broader world where someone can have a completely different life than him/herself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a recently licensed psychologist, I have this to offer:First, the study primarily used the MMPI (and presumably the MMPI-2) as its basis for symptom measurement.
Any reasonable clinical psychologist would not use a single measure to outline a person's psychological profile.
To do so would be unethical at best.
Secondly, the MMPI-2 (and its precursor) has its share of validity questions.
So the MMPI(-2) does not exactly provide the most accurate representation of symptom measurement.
Another nitpicky detail: the MMPI-2 has not been validated for use with individuals under the age of 18.
Thus the people represented are not exactly children any more.Second, the study used a sample that consisted primarily of college students.
Now if it had used a wider sample, including those from families who cannot afford to send their children to college, I would expect that the range and severity of psychological problems would be more pronounced.
I work in a clinic that works primarily with children and families in an urban area where there are chronic concerns of unemployment, community violence, and child maltreatment (i.e., sexual abuse, physical abuse, exposure to domestic violence, neglect).
Granted, this is an entirely different population than what the study addressed, but the notion of telling kids that they don't have problems and should stop being wussies shows a notion of that speaker being trapped inside his/her own bubble and not realizing a much broader world where someone can have a completely different life than him/herself.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:How does this make you FEEL?</title>
	<author>Thaelon</author>
	<datestamp>1263314940000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I have a fledgling theory that this is largely the result of women in the workplace (and school is a workplace).  Women are more concerned with feelings.  Their own, and others.  I'm not saying this by itself is necessarily bad, by itself, but when feelings take a back seat to actually getting things done, you end up precisely where we are.  People feel better, but are less useful.</p><p><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/ac9of/i\_know\_us\_xxers\_are\_all\_strong\_confident\_women/" title="reddit.com">here</a> [reddit.com]'s a perfect example.</p><p>It's completely irrational to broadcast that everyone reading a site is a strong, confidant woman.</p><p>Those things are feelings, not quantifiable qualities, or concrete measures of worth, just feelings.</p><p>Besides, when a woman says, "strong, confidant woman", the second poster in <a href="http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/082009/retired.jpg" title="blameitonthevoices.com">this</a> [blameitonthevoices.com] picture is who comes to mind.</p><p>Absolutely strong and confidant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a fledgling theory that this is largely the result of women in the workplace ( and school is a workplace ) .
Women are more concerned with feelings .
Their own , and others .
I 'm not saying this by itself is necessarily bad , by itself , but when feelings take a back seat to actually getting things done , you end up precisely where we are .
People feel better , but are less useful.here [ reddit.com ] 's a perfect example.It 's completely irrational to broadcast that everyone reading a site is a strong , confidant woman.Those things are feelings , not quantifiable qualities , or concrete measures of worth , just feelings.Besides , when a woman says , " strong , confidant woman " , the second poster in this [ blameitonthevoices.com ] picture is who comes to mind.Absolutely strong and confidant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a fledgling theory that this is largely the result of women in the workplace (and school is a workplace).
Women are more concerned with feelings.
Their own, and others.
I'm not saying this by itself is necessarily bad, by itself, but when feelings take a back seat to actually getting things done, you end up precisely where we are.
People feel better, but are less useful.here [reddit.com]'s a perfect example.It's completely irrational to broadcast that everyone reading a site is a strong, confidant woman.Those things are feelings, not quantifiable qualities, or concrete measures of worth, just feelings.Besides, when a woman says, "strong, confidant woman", the second poster in this [blameitonthevoices.com] picture is who comes to mind.Absolutely strong and confidant.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:You get what you pay for.</title>
	<author>386spart</author>
	<datestamp>1263318060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I've been thinking along the same lines. It is a generalisation of course every fate is different, but I think many people growing up today in the western world seem less happy, more cynical and depressed, unable to focus etc. Basically the symptoms you describe. <br>
I also agree it's related to having it too easy when they (we) were young. Many were born into a high standard of living and nothing was hard until they moved out of their parents home. Life was good then suddenly gets dramatically worse (Not bad, in any objective way of measuring it, but worse than they are used to.)
<br> <br>
Compare this to their parents, who grew up from the 40s to the 80s. From the hardships of life in the 40s to the luxury of the 80s they managed to increase their quality of life little by little throughout their entire lives ending up with houses, fine cars, big salaries and stable employment. To see this progress year by year  is motivating and makes people happy.
<br> <br>
People today often struggle to reach the same standard they had when they were living at home, let alone seeing some consistent improvement. They are fighting to get "back to even", basically. You work for years in order to pay down on a house half the size of the one you grew up in, if you can even dream of affording a house at all. You save for years to go to some exotic place you already visited several times with your parents. Having a stable job in the area where you grew up and all your childhood friends still live is a fantasy, most of your co-workers are basically strangers and so on. All the things the world has to offer - you did most of them already and watched the rest in Cinemascope. The experiences are clich&#233;s before you even get there.
<br> <br>
There are other factors as well of course, general lack of honest interaction with people, information overload, companies so large that you become anonymous, etc etc, but I think this is a big part of it. Simply put, there are many more rich people having to deal with becoming poorer today than it used to be. People are reaching goals lower than their expectations. This has always been depressing, so a certain percentage of people will be depressed by it, for a while.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been thinking along the same lines .
It is a generalisation of course every fate is different , but I think many people growing up today in the western world seem less happy , more cynical and depressed , unable to focus etc .
Basically the symptoms you describe .
I also agree it 's related to having it too easy when they ( we ) were young .
Many were born into a high standard of living and nothing was hard until they moved out of their parents home .
Life was good then suddenly gets dramatically worse ( Not bad , in any objective way of measuring it , but worse than they are used to .
) Compare this to their parents , who grew up from the 40s to the 80s .
From the hardships of life in the 40s to the luxury of the 80s they managed to increase their quality of life little by little throughout their entire lives ending up with houses , fine cars , big salaries and stable employment .
To see this progress year by year is motivating and makes people happy .
People today often struggle to reach the same standard they had when they were living at home , let alone seeing some consistent improvement .
They are fighting to get " back to even " , basically .
You work for years in order to pay down on a house half the size of the one you grew up in , if you can even dream of affording a house at all .
You save for years to go to some exotic place you already visited several times with your parents .
Having a stable job in the area where you grew up and all your childhood friends still live is a fantasy , most of your co-workers are basically strangers and so on .
All the things the world has to offer - you did most of them already and watched the rest in Cinemascope .
The experiences are clich   s before you even get there .
There are other factors as well of course , general lack of honest interaction with people , information overload , companies so large that you become anonymous , etc etc , but I think this is a big part of it .
Simply put , there are many more rich people having to deal with becoming poorer today than it used to be .
People are reaching goals lower than their expectations .
This has always been depressing , so a certain percentage of people will be depressed by it , for a while .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been thinking along the same lines.
It is a generalisation of course every fate is different, but I think many people growing up today in the western world seem less happy, more cynical and depressed, unable to focus etc.
Basically the symptoms you describe.
I also agree it's related to having it too easy when they (we) were young.
Many were born into a high standard of living and nothing was hard until they moved out of their parents home.
Life was good then suddenly gets dramatically worse (Not bad, in any objective way of measuring it, but worse than they are used to.
)
 
Compare this to their parents, who grew up from the 40s to the 80s.
From the hardships of life in the 40s to the luxury of the 80s they managed to increase their quality of life little by little throughout their entire lives ending up with houses, fine cars, big salaries and stable employment.
To see this progress year by year  is motivating and makes people happy.
People today often struggle to reach the same standard they had when they were living at home, let alone seeing some consistent improvement.
They are fighting to get "back to even", basically.
You work for years in order to pay down on a house half the size of the one you grew up in, if you can even dream of affording a house at all.
You save for years to go to some exotic place you already visited several times with your parents.
Having a stable job in the area where you grew up and all your childhood friends still live is a fantasy, most of your co-workers are basically strangers and so on.
All the things the world has to offer - you did most of them already and watched the rest in Cinemascope.
The experiences are clichés before you even get there.
There are other factors as well of course, general lack of honest interaction with people, information overload, companies so large that you become anonymous, etc etc, but I think this is a big part of it.
Simply put, there are many more rich people having to deal with becoming poorer today than it used to be.
People are reaching goals lower than their expectations.
This has always been depressing, so a certain percentage of people will be depressed by it, for a while.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30741926</id>
	<title>Re:The Criticisms as Outlined in the Article</title>
	<author>mschuyler</author>
	<datestamp>1263329940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WTF???? You actually READ the article? What's wrong with you???</p><p>And for the record, Ted Bundy was a psychology major, class of 1972, University of Washington.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WTF ? ? ? ?
You actually READ the article ?
What 's wrong with you ? ?
? And for the record , Ted Bundy was a psychology major , class of 1972 , University of Washington .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF????
You actually READ the article?
What's wrong with you??
?And for the record, Ted Bundy was a psychology major, class of 1972, University of Washington.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30738038</id>
	<title>Diet changes?</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1263315480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Overall, an average of five times as many students in 2007 surpassed thresholds in one or more mental health categories, compared with those who did so in 1938.</p></div><p>Did they correct for dietary changes such as massive caffeine intake, and HFCS intake causing huge blood sugar level spikes and troughs, tending to exaggerate and encourage anxiety related incidents?</p><p>Also did they correct for illegal drug use?  Not so much that illegal drugs "make you crazy", but they make it more difficult for borderline people to pretend that you're not crazy, lack of inhibition, strange new motivational factors, side effects of physical or psychological addiction, etc?</p><p>Finally, in the olden days, slightly "off" people were simply locked in the attic, more or less, and would probably not have been tested, but now they'd be mainstreamed into classrooms and tested, I hope they corrected for that.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Overall , an average of five times as many students in 2007 surpassed thresholds in one or more mental health categories , compared with those who did so in 1938.Did they correct for dietary changes such as massive caffeine intake , and HFCS intake causing huge blood sugar level spikes and troughs , tending to exaggerate and encourage anxiety related incidents ? Also did they correct for illegal drug use ?
Not so much that illegal drugs " make you crazy " , but they make it more difficult for borderline people to pretend that you 're not crazy , lack of inhibition , strange new motivational factors , side effects of physical or psychological addiction , etc ? Finally , in the olden days , slightly " off " people were simply locked in the attic , more or less , and would probably not have been tested , but now they 'd be mainstreamed into classrooms and tested , I hope they corrected for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Overall, an average of five times as many students in 2007 surpassed thresholds in one or more mental health categories, compared with those who did so in 1938.Did they correct for dietary changes such as massive caffeine intake, and HFCS intake causing huge blood sugar level spikes and troughs, tending to exaggerate and encourage anxiety related incidents?Also did they correct for illegal drug use?
Not so much that illegal drugs "make you crazy", but they make it more difficult for borderline people to pretend that you're not crazy, lack of inhibition, strange new motivational factors, side effects of physical or psychological addiction, etc?Finally, in the olden days, slightly "off" people were simply locked in the attic, more or less, and would probably not have been tested, but now they'd be mainstreamed into classrooms and tested, I hope they corrected for that.
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	<title>Re:Greater Knowledge</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263313920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know it's not PC but I would argue that the fact that we have become tolerant of sexual deviancy is a problem of society.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know it 's not PC but I would argue that the fact that we have become tolerant of sexual deviancy is a problem of society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know it's not PC but I would argue that the fact that we have become tolerant of sexual deviancy is a problem of society.</sentencetext>
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	<title>The amusing part of this thread</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263318000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Is all the relentless old man posturing going on.  There is quite a bit of "kids these days have it so easy, back in World War I / The Depression / The Stone Age" etc. going on.</p><p>Sorry if I find it hard to believe that any number of Slashdot users actually lived through the first or second world wars, or the great depression, or any other number of extremely trying times in our countries history, most of which happened long before the average slashdot user was born.</p><p>Yes, you have a legitimate point about not treating the children like porcelain dolls, but don't act all high and mighty about it.  We all read the same history textbooks / wikipedia articles you did.  None of us have experienced the kind of difficulty people are referencing in this thread.</p><p>Stop trivializing the challenges and difficulties of an entire generation just for mod points.  You have NO idea how these people lived, and your ridiculous posturing overt second hand information is embarassing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is all the relentless old man posturing going on .
There is quite a bit of " kids these days have it so easy , back in World War I / The Depression / The Stone Age " etc .
going on.Sorry if I find it hard to believe that any number of Slashdot users actually lived through the first or second world wars , or the great depression , or any other number of extremely trying times in our countries history , most of which happened long before the average slashdot user was born.Yes , you have a legitimate point about not treating the children like porcelain dolls , but do n't act all high and mighty about it .
We all read the same history textbooks / wikipedia articles you did .
None of us have experienced the kind of difficulty people are referencing in this thread.Stop trivializing the challenges and difficulties of an entire generation just for mod points .
You have NO idea how these people lived , and your ridiculous posturing overt second hand information is embarassing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is all the relentless old man posturing going on.
There is quite a bit of "kids these days have it so easy, back in World War I / The Depression / The Stone Age" etc.
going on.Sorry if I find it hard to believe that any number of Slashdot users actually lived through the first or second world wars, or the great depression, or any other number of extremely trying times in our countries history, most of which happened long before the average slashdot user was born.Yes, you have a legitimate point about not treating the children like porcelain dolls, but don't act all high and mighty about it.
We all read the same history textbooks / wikipedia articles you did.
None of us have experienced the kind of difficulty people are referencing in this thread.Stop trivializing the challenges and difficulties of an entire generation just for mod points.
You have NO idea how these people lived, and your ridiculous posturing overt second hand information is embarassing.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:"Orchid Children"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263326280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>This is all fine and dandy, but the problem arises when you cultivate the orchids to the point that they dominate the population. The fact is, without the majority being dandelions, the species won't survive. You need a lot of dandelions to take care of even just a few orchids. Conversely, orchids cannot take care of dandelions, or even of themselves should their world go pear-shaped.</p><p>Civilized society may be approaching that point where the orchids begin to dominate -- and then what happens next time there's a major upheaval??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is all fine and dandy , but the problem arises when you cultivate the orchids to the point that they dominate the population .
The fact is , without the majority being dandelions , the species wo n't survive .
You need a lot of dandelions to take care of even just a few orchids .
Conversely , orchids can not take care of dandelions , or even of themselves should their world go pear-shaped.Civilized society may be approaching that point where the orchids begin to dominate -- and then what happens next time there 's a major upheaval ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is all fine and dandy, but the problem arises when you cultivate the orchids to the point that they dominate the population.
The fact is, without the majority being dandelions, the species won't survive.
You need a lot of dandelions to take care of even just a few orchids.
Conversely, orchids cannot take care of dandelions, or even of themselves should their world go pear-shaped.Civilized society may be approaching that point where the orchids begin to dominate -- and then what happens next time there's a major upheaval?
?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30738686</id>
	<title>It's No Wonder</title>
	<author>b4upoo</author>
	<datestamp>1263317700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>         Society has done a tremendous job in assaulting youth with actions and ideas that lead to mental illness.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; For example the neighborhood school and the idea of growing up with classmates from similar backgrounds, similar religions and similar race  give children a more stress free way to grow up. Cultural diversity is not good news for everyone. The degree of stress caused by busing and mixing varies with regions and customs. Just spending a couple of hours a day on a school bus is in itself enough to disrupt normal development.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Then we have insulated our kids from reality to such a degree that functioning well in the real world isn't likely to occur. As an example picture a young fellow jumping from high school into the work environment. He has no reality at all in the notion that he is viewed like a shovel. He is simply a tool to use and exploit. Yet he has stepped out of a school system which no longer allows declarations of real worth. When the worst kid in the class is defined as our last, first place, scholar reality gets shattered.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; People have not been trained to apply less than social modes of thought. We know that schools are designed to push people away from education. We know that simply because that is what they actually do. That eighth grade teacher may preach the loving doctrine of keeping kids in school but the reality is that we sort them and dump them as they progress. One way to do that is to have colleges that are expensive. That fact alone is sufficient to dump half of all potential college students before they even get started. Then we have the loans available to potential college students. They are enough to insure that most who take those loans will be beaten down financially for most if not all of their lives.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; To get the 30\% or 40\% who do drop out of school prior to college the fastest way is to teach towards the dumbest in the class. Instead of insuring that the dumb and the lazy and the misbehaved are rapidly removed from schools we push teachers to save them which translates instantly into ignoring the better students in order to meet testing standards.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; By the time these kids are old enough to confront reality they are so twisted that they can not cope. The idea that society is more than willing to throw them into endless wars, work them to death or put them in deadly positions such as convenience store clerks in bad neighborhoods overwhelms them. Dope and booze will usually finish them off as anything more than redeemed wrecks who can somehow get by in low level situations until they die.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Society has done a tremendous job in assaulting youth with actions and ideas that lead to mental illness .
                  For example the neighborhood school and the idea of growing up with classmates from similar backgrounds , similar religions and similar race give children a more stress free way to grow up .
Cultural diversity is not good news for everyone .
The degree of stress caused by busing and mixing varies with regions and customs .
Just spending a couple of hours a day on a school bus is in itself enough to disrupt normal development .
                  Then we have insulated our kids from reality to such a degree that functioning well in the real world is n't likely to occur .
As an example picture a young fellow jumping from high school into the work environment .
He has no reality at all in the notion that he is viewed like a shovel .
He is simply a tool to use and exploit .
Yet he has stepped out of a school system which no longer allows declarations of real worth .
When the worst kid in the class is defined as our last , first place , scholar reality gets shattered .
                  People have not been trained to apply less than social modes of thought .
We know that schools are designed to push people away from education .
We know that simply because that is what they actually do .
That eighth grade teacher may preach the loving doctrine of keeping kids in school but the reality is that we sort them and dump them as they progress .
One way to do that is to have colleges that are expensive .
That fact alone is sufficient to dump half of all potential college students before they even get started .
Then we have the loans available to potential college students .
They are enough to insure that most who take those loans will be beaten down financially for most if not all of their lives .
                  To get the 30 \ % or 40 \ % who do drop out of school prior to college the fastest way is to teach towards the dumbest in the class .
Instead of insuring that the dumb and the lazy and the misbehaved are rapidly removed from schools we push teachers to save them which translates instantly into ignoring the better students in order to meet testing standards .
                  By the time these kids are old enough to confront reality they are so twisted that they can not cope .
The idea that society is more than willing to throw them into endless wars , work them to death or put them in deadly positions such as convenience store clerks in bad neighborhoods overwhelms them .
Dope and booze will usually finish them off as anything more than redeemed wrecks who can somehow get by in low level situations until they die .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>         Society has done a tremendous job in assaulting youth with actions and ideas that lead to mental illness.
                  For example the neighborhood school and the idea of growing up with classmates from similar backgrounds, similar religions and similar race  give children a more stress free way to grow up.
Cultural diversity is not good news for everyone.
The degree of stress caused by busing and mixing varies with regions and customs.
Just spending a couple of hours a day on a school bus is in itself enough to disrupt normal development.
                  Then we have insulated our kids from reality to such a degree that functioning well in the real world isn't likely to occur.
As an example picture a young fellow jumping from high school into the work environment.
He has no reality at all in the notion that he is viewed like a shovel.
He is simply a tool to use and exploit.
Yet he has stepped out of a school system which no longer allows declarations of real worth.
When the worst kid in the class is defined as our last, first place, scholar reality gets shattered.
                  People have not been trained to apply less than social modes of thought.
We know that schools are designed to push people away from education.
We know that simply because that is what they actually do.
That eighth grade teacher may preach the loving doctrine of keeping kids in school but the reality is that we sort them and dump them as they progress.
One way to do that is to have colleges that are expensive.
That fact alone is sufficient to dump half of all potential college students before they even get started.
Then we have the loans available to potential college students.
They are enough to insure that most who take those loans will be beaten down financially for most if not all of their lives.
                  To get the 30\% or 40\% who do drop out of school prior to college the fastest way is to teach towards the dumbest in the class.
Instead of insuring that the dumb and the lazy and the misbehaved are rapidly removed from schools we push teachers to save them which translates instantly into ignoring the better students in order to meet testing standards.
                  By the time these kids are old enough to confront reality they are so twisted that they can not cope.
The idea that society is more than willing to throw them into endless wars, work them to death or put them in deadly positions such as convenience store clerks in bad neighborhoods overwhelms them.
Dope and booze will usually finish them off as anything more than redeemed wrecks who can somehow get by in low level situations until they die.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30738882</id>
	<title>Re:Recent trip outside of Canada/USA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263318240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>well most of the stress and anxiety in modern life we inflict on ourselves. People in the US tried to move out to the suburbs in the 40s and 50s to get away from the stress. (creating rush hours as everyone has to commute long distances)</p><p>When you have nothing your stress is simple and not self-inflicted. You worry about food and shelter, if you have it, you're alive and happy to be so. If you don't have it, you're soon dead and you have no more worries.</p><p>Tossing the wrong sort of kids in military school would likely induce a great more anxiety in them than just continuing to do what we already do. I really must say that pat answers that try to cover a broad range of people and cultures is a little bit offensive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>well most of the stress and anxiety in modern life we inflict on ourselves .
People in the US tried to move out to the suburbs in the 40s and 50s to get away from the stress .
( creating rush hours as everyone has to commute long distances ) When you have nothing your stress is simple and not self-inflicted .
You worry about food and shelter , if you have it , you 're alive and happy to be so .
If you do n't have it , you 're soon dead and you have no more worries.Tossing the wrong sort of kids in military school would likely induce a great more anxiety in them than just continuing to do what we already do .
I really must say that pat answers that try to cover a broad range of people and cultures is a little bit offensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>well most of the stress and anxiety in modern life we inflict on ourselves.
People in the US tried to move out to the suburbs in the 40s and 50s to get away from the stress.
(creating rush hours as everyone has to commute long distances)When you have nothing your stress is simple and not self-inflicted.
You worry about food and shelter, if you have it, you're alive and happy to be so.
If you don't have it, you're soon dead and you have no more worries.Tossing the wrong sort of kids in military school would likely induce a great more anxiety in them than just continuing to do what we already do.
I really must say that pat answers that try to cover a broad range of people and cultures is a little bit offensive.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30740308</id>
	<title>Re:Information Anxiety is the new ADD.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263323460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>sounds like you need to take a couple of pills all right, a pill of "harden the fuk up" and a "chill pill" is what the doc prescribes...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>sounds like you need to take a couple of pills all right , a pill of " harden the fuk up " and a " chill pill " is what the doc prescribes.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sounds like you need to take a couple of pills all right, a pill of "harden the fuk up" and a "chill pill" is what the doc prescribes...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30737216</id>
	<title>previous generations</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1263312120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>dealt with things like world war i, world war ii, the bubonic plague, the american revolution... etc.</p><p>all with less media resources, lower quality nutrition (we don't have lower quality nutrition these days, we have TOO MUCH nutrition), a worse set of ideologies, lower socioeconomic status, etc.</p><p>whatever stresses today's youth are going through, its fucking easy in comparison stresses previous generations have faced</p><p>get over it, grow the fuck up. sorry you're daily video game hours or facebook/ twitter diddling hours has been reduced. i think you'll find the ability to deal somewhere deep in your rich bounty of character. pffffffft</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>dealt with things like world war i , world war ii , the bubonic plague , the american revolution... etc.all with less media resources , lower quality nutrition ( we do n't have lower quality nutrition these days , we have TOO MUCH nutrition ) , a worse set of ideologies , lower socioeconomic status , etc.whatever stresses today 's youth are going through , its fucking easy in comparison stresses previous generations have facedget over it , grow the fuck up .
sorry you 're daily video game hours or facebook/ twitter diddling hours has been reduced .
i think you 'll find the ability to deal somewhere deep in your rich bounty of character .
pffffffft</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dealt with things like world war i, world war ii, the bubonic plague, the american revolution... etc.all with less media resources, lower quality nutrition (we don't have lower quality nutrition these days, we have TOO MUCH nutrition), a worse set of ideologies, lower socioeconomic status, etc.whatever stresses today's youth are going through, its fucking easy in comparison stresses previous generations have facedget over it, grow the fuck up.
sorry you're daily video game hours or facebook/ twitter diddling hours has been reduced.
i think you'll find the ability to deal somewhere deep in your rich bounty of character.
pffffffft</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30745668</id>
	<title>Re:You get what you pay for.</title>
	<author>jafac</author>
	<datestamp>1263305820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I disagree with you on the narcisissm bit - but I do agree that the "self esteem movement" - as a whole, has completely missed the mark, on how to deal with the problem.  The problem is: In our culture, it's not okay to have "bad feelings".  And so the previous generations would deny them, or generally come up with various psychotic coping mechanisms like blame shifting and such, to avoid them.</p><p>This generation, has an entire commercial apparatus of philosophy, religion, pharmaceuticals, entertainment, and what-have-you, designed to help people AVOID having bad feelings.  As if that's the cure for poor self esteem.  Yes, the problem for most of these neuroses is low self esteem.  And the common cause is often people being trained that having feelings, and expressing them is bad, and wrong.  So what did we end up with?  pee-wee basketball leagues where they don't keep score, so the losers don't "feel bad".  Tell you what.  These kids feel bad.  They KNOW they're getting their asses kicked.  They're  clumsy (perhaps), not stupid. What did they learn?  That we gotta sweep all the bad stuff under the rug.  These are the folks who grow up to hide liquor bottles under the sofa cushions.  Not a whole lot different than when our parents told us "shut up!  I'll give you something to cry about!".</p><p>What I don't get, is how this isn't completely obvious to everyone.<br>I guess that must be how denial works, on a mass-scale.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I disagree with you on the narcisissm bit - but I do agree that the " self esteem movement " - as a whole , has completely missed the mark , on how to deal with the problem .
The problem is : In our culture , it 's not okay to have " bad feelings " .
And so the previous generations would deny them , or generally come up with various psychotic coping mechanisms like blame shifting and such , to avoid them.This generation , has an entire commercial apparatus of philosophy , religion , pharmaceuticals , entertainment , and what-have-you , designed to help people AVOID having bad feelings .
As if that 's the cure for poor self esteem .
Yes , the problem for most of these neuroses is low self esteem .
And the common cause is often people being trained that having feelings , and expressing them is bad , and wrong .
So what did we end up with ?
pee-wee basketball leagues where they do n't keep score , so the losers do n't " feel bad " .
Tell you what .
These kids feel bad .
They KNOW they 're getting their asses kicked .
They 're clumsy ( perhaps ) , not stupid .
What did they learn ?
That we got ta sweep all the bad stuff under the rug .
These are the folks who grow up to hide liquor bottles under the sofa cushions .
Not a whole lot different than when our parents told us " shut up !
I 'll give you something to cry about !
" .What I do n't get , is how this is n't completely obvious to everyone.I guess that must be how denial works , on a mass-scale .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I disagree with you on the narcisissm bit - but I do agree that the "self esteem movement" - as a whole, has completely missed the mark, on how to deal with the problem.
The problem is: In our culture, it's not okay to have "bad feelings".
And so the previous generations would deny them, or generally come up with various psychotic coping mechanisms like blame shifting and such, to avoid them.This generation, has an entire commercial apparatus of philosophy, religion, pharmaceuticals, entertainment, and what-have-you, designed to help people AVOID having bad feelings.
As if that's the cure for poor self esteem.
Yes, the problem for most of these neuroses is low self esteem.
And the common cause is often people being trained that having feelings, and expressing them is bad, and wrong.
So what did we end up with?
pee-wee basketball leagues where they don't keep score, so the losers don't "feel bad".
Tell you what.
These kids feel bad.
They KNOW they're getting their asses kicked.
They're  clumsy (perhaps), not stupid.
What did they learn?
That we gotta sweep all the bad stuff under the rug.
These are the folks who grow up to hide liquor bottles under the sofa cushions.
Not a whole lot different than when our parents told us "shut up!
I'll give you something to cry about!
".What I don't get, is how this isn't completely obvious to everyone.I guess that must be how denial works, on a mass-scale.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30737516</id>
	<title>Self-Esteem Movement</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263313380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I personally blame the self-esteem movement which encouraged the children of the 80's and 90's to feel invincible and that we hold the ability to do anything.  This can be VERY overwhelming.  On the other hand, a child, that grows up only knowing the career that his mother/father laid out for them, will be more content have no reason to set him/herself up for failure.  Is happiness really worth the innovation?  I think so.  It's a pain of life that everyone has to go through eventually.  If you can handle anxiety and depression, then how do you expect to leave college/high school?</p><p>Secondly, I also blame the public school system.  Like always.  Anyway, The United States public school system is built to be very broad and universal.  Cookie cutter education.  Meanwhile in Germany, students are tested in the 4th grade in order to decide, which type of career they would like to have.  At the age of 9 or 10 they are already planning out their lives, without anxiety.  This sets them on a track until they reach Secondary Education, which is separated into 4 different types of schools(Hauptschule, Realschule, Gesamtschule, and Gymnasium).  Each with a different path.  Hauptschule is considered the least academic, which you graduate in 9th grade.  The Realschule requires a certain level of academic success, but only lasts until 10th grade.  The Gesamtschule is considered to be situated between Hauptschule and Realschule, it requires no level, but can lead to college and the length of time varies.  The Gymnasium is considered the high level education that precedes the University.  It heavly prepares you for university, while also requiring certain academic marks to gain entry.  It lasts until 13th grade, but can be cut short. Each level of school has a different diploma or Abschluss.  Also, if a student finishes Gymnasium and passes his/her exit exam(Abitur), (s)he will be automatically accepted to any university at the cost of the government.  To receive Abitur is a big accomplishment, which can only be compared to the International Baccalaureate Program.</p><p>This means that you could be 18 with 2 years of work experience already on your belt, while here in the states we are pressured to attend college.  The university is where everyone is flocking.  It's turning more into Baby Sitting than education.  The University is miserable.  It requires you to attend a class that you teaches you how to use charts.  And they will label a business class.  Really?  I felt like I was in elementary school looking at the times tables.  I was able to obtain a full-time career without a degree in the field that I love.  I am a software developer.  With maybe 2 years of college.  And everything I learned there was practically useless.  Even the classes that I loved are not helping me now.  Currently, I am a PHP/MySQL developer, but my school only offers some simple database classes that I already learned in High School.  Don't even try and find a PHP programming class.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I personally blame the self-esteem movement which encouraged the children of the 80 's and 90 's to feel invincible and that we hold the ability to do anything .
This can be VERY overwhelming .
On the other hand , a child , that grows up only knowing the career that his mother/father laid out for them , will be more content have no reason to set him/herself up for failure .
Is happiness really worth the innovation ?
I think so .
It 's a pain of life that everyone has to go through eventually .
If you can handle anxiety and depression , then how do you expect to leave college/high school ? Secondly , I also blame the public school system .
Like always .
Anyway , The United States public school system is built to be very broad and universal .
Cookie cutter education .
Meanwhile in Germany , students are tested in the 4th grade in order to decide , which type of career they would like to have .
At the age of 9 or 10 they are already planning out their lives , without anxiety .
This sets them on a track until they reach Secondary Education , which is separated into 4 different types of schools ( Hauptschule , Realschule , Gesamtschule , and Gymnasium ) .
Each with a different path .
Hauptschule is considered the least academic , which you graduate in 9th grade .
The Realschule requires a certain level of academic success , but only lasts until 10th grade .
The Gesamtschule is considered to be situated between Hauptschule and Realschule , it requires no level , but can lead to college and the length of time varies .
The Gymnasium is considered the high level education that precedes the University .
It heavly prepares you for university , while also requiring certain academic marks to gain entry .
It lasts until 13th grade , but can be cut short .
Each level of school has a different diploma or Abschluss .
Also , if a student finishes Gymnasium and passes his/her exit exam ( Abitur ) , ( s ) he will be automatically accepted to any university at the cost of the government .
To receive Abitur is a big accomplishment , which can only be compared to the International Baccalaureate Program.This means that you could be 18 with 2 years of work experience already on your belt , while here in the states we are pressured to attend college .
The university is where everyone is flocking .
It 's turning more into Baby Sitting than education .
The University is miserable .
It requires you to attend a class that you teaches you how to use charts .
And they will label a business class .
Really ? I felt like I was in elementary school looking at the times tables .
I was able to obtain a full-time career without a degree in the field that I love .
I am a software developer .
With maybe 2 years of college .
And everything I learned there was practically useless .
Even the classes that I loved are not helping me now .
Currently , I am a PHP/MySQL developer , but my school only offers some simple database classes that I already learned in High School .
Do n't even try and find a PHP programming class .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I personally blame the self-esteem movement which encouraged the children of the 80's and 90's to feel invincible and that we hold the ability to do anything.
This can be VERY overwhelming.
On the other hand, a child, that grows up only knowing the career that his mother/father laid out for them, will be more content have no reason to set him/herself up for failure.
Is happiness really worth the innovation?
I think so.
It's a pain of life that everyone has to go through eventually.
If you can handle anxiety and depression, then how do you expect to leave college/high school?Secondly, I also blame the public school system.
Like always.
Anyway, The United States public school system is built to be very broad and universal.
Cookie cutter education.
Meanwhile in Germany, students are tested in the 4th grade in order to decide, which type of career they would like to have.
At the age of 9 or 10 they are already planning out their lives, without anxiety.
This sets them on a track until they reach Secondary Education, which is separated into 4 different types of schools(Hauptschule, Realschule, Gesamtschule, and Gymnasium).
Each with a different path.
Hauptschule is considered the least academic, which you graduate in 9th grade.
The Realschule requires a certain level of academic success, but only lasts until 10th grade.
The Gesamtschule is considered to be situated between Hauptschule and Realschule, it requires no level, but can lead to college and the length of time varies.
The Gymnasium is considered the high level education that precedes the University.
It heavly prepares you for university, while also requiring certain academic marks to gain entry.
It lasts until 13th grade, but can be cut short.
Each level of school has a different diploma or Abschluss.
Also, if a student finishes Gymnasium and passes his/her exit exam(Abitur), (s)he will be automatically accepted to any university at the cost of the government.
To receive Abitur is a big accomplishment, which can only be compared to the International Baccalaureate Program.This means that you could be 18 with 2 years of work experience already on your belt, while here in the states we are pressured to attend college.
The university is where everyone is flocking.
It's turning more into Baby Sitting than education.
The University is miserable.
It requires you to attend a class that you teaches you how to use charts.
And they will label a business class.
Really?  I felt like I was in elementary school looking at the times tables.
I was able to obtain a full-time career without a degree in the field that I love.
I am a software developer.
With maybe 2 years of college.
And everything I learned there was practically useless.
Even the classes that I loved are not helping me now.
Currently, I am a PHP/MySQL developer, but my school only offers some simple database classes that I already learned in High School.
Don't even try and find a PHP programming class.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Same test used in 1938?</title>
	<author>binaryartist</author>
	<datestamp>1263290640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I dont know if anyone wondered whether a test used 1938 would be relevant in 2010?

For eg:
If a kid was question about being gay in 1938 and if he thought that being gay was OK, he would have been judged abnormal...I would guess?

This question does not make much sense in the world today</htmltext>
<tokenext>I dont know if anyone wondered whether a test used 1938 would be relevant in 2010 ?
For eg : If a kid was question about being gay in 1938 and if he thought that being gay was OK , he would have been judged abnormal...I would guess ?
This question does not make much sense in the world today</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dont know if anyone wondered whether a test used 1938 would be relevant in 2010?
For eg:
If a kid was question about being gay in 1938 and if he thought that being gay was OK, he would have been judged abnormal...I would guess?
This question does not make much sense in the world today</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30739114</id>
	<title>Re:The Criticisms as Outlined in the Article</title>
	<author>yuna49</author>
	<datestamp>1263319020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Thank you for injecting a bit of scientific realism into a discussion that has so far consisted of opinion and anecdote.</p><p>Whenever I read studies like these my first question is whether the samples involved are comparable.  What kinds of kids were taking the MMPI in 1938?  What kinds of kids take them today?  Might the differences in the samples be sufficient to account for the observed differences in scores?  If there are differences, are they controlled for in the study design?  I visited Dr. Twenge's website and didn't see any obvious links to the study in question so we can begin to evaluate its scientific validity. I did skim <a href="http://www.psychology.sdsu.edu/new-web/FacultyLabs/twenge/MTFself-views508.pdf" title="sdsu.edu">one study</a> [sdsu.edu] comparing student responses from the "Measuring the Future" surveys in 1975 and 2006, which claims to show that "there has been a small increase in positive self-views across the generations, but that this has not been accompanied by an increase in general self-competence." Yet I saw no sophisticated multivariate analysis that might tell us whether these were "real" changes in attitudes, what other variables were correlated with those attitudes, or how changes in those other variables might affect the observed change in attitudes.</p><p>For those interested in methodlogical problems in the social sciences, there's no better place to start than with Donald Campbell and Julian Stanley's <i> <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Experimental-Quasi-Experimental-Designs-Research-Campbell/dp/0395307872/ref=pd\_sim\_b\_4" title="amazon.com">Experimental and Quasi-Experimental Designs for Research</a> [amazon.com] </i>.  For a highly-readable introduction to what they call "threats to validity" in social scientific research, Campbell's "<a href="http://www.cemcentre.org/Documents/CEM/publications/downloads/CEMWeb027\%20Reforms\%20As\%20Experiments.pdf" title="cemcentre.org">Reforms as Experiments</a> [cemcentre.org]" [pdf] is a good place to start.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you for injecting a bit of scientific realism into a discussion that has so far consisted of opinion and anecdote.Whenever I read studies like these my first question is whether the samples involved are comparable .
What kinds of kids were taking the MMPI in 1938 ?
What kinds of kids take them today ?
Might the differences in the samples be sufficient to account for the observed differences in scores ?
If there are differences , are they controlled for in the study design ?
I visited Dr. Twenge 's website and did n't see any obvious links to the study in question so we can begin to evaluate its scientific validity .
I did skim one study [ sdsu.edu ] comparing student responses from the " Measuring the Future " surveys in 1975 and 2006 , which claims to show that " there has been a small increase in positive self-views across the generations , but that this has not been accompanied by an increase in general self-competence .
" Yet I saw no sophisticated multivariate analysis that might tell us whether these were " real " changes in attitudes , what other variables were correlated with those attitudes , or how changes in those other variables might affect the observed change in attitudes.For those interested in methodlogical problems in the social sciences , there 's no better place to start than with Donald Campbell and Julian Stanley 's Experimental and Quasi-Experimental Designs for Research [ amazon.com ] .
For a highly-readable introduction to what they call " threats to validity " in social scientific research , Campbell 's " Reforms as Experiments [ cemcentre.org ] " [ pdf ] is a good place to start .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you for injecting a bit of scientific realism into a discussion that has so far consisted of opinion and anecdote.Whenever I read studies like these my first question is whether the samples involved are comparable.
What kinds of kids were taking the MMPI in 1938?
What kinds of kids take them today?
Might the differences in the samples be sufficient to account for the observed differences in scores?
If there are differences, are they controlled for in the study design?
I visited Dr. Twenge's website and didn't see any obvious links to the study in question so we can begin to evaluate its scientific validity.
I did skim one study [sdsu.edu] comparing student responses from the "Measuring the Future" surveys in 1975 and 2006, which claims to show that "there has been a small increase in positive self-views across the generations, but that this has not been accompanied by an increase in general self-competence.
" Yet I saw no sophisticated multivariate analysis that might tell us whether these were "real" changes in attitudes, what other variables were correlated with those attitudes, or how changes in those other variables might affect the observed change in attitudes.For those interested in methodlogical problems in the social sciences, there's no better place to start than with Donald Campbell and Julian Stanley's  Experimental and Quasi-Experimental Designs for Research [amazon.com] .
For a highly-readable introduction to what they call "threats to validity" in social scientific research, Campbell's "Reforms as Experiments [cemcentre.org]" [pdf] is a good place to start.</sentencetext>
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	<title>This Has Been A Test Of The Clinicians BS System</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1263311100000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Had this been real science you'd have been instructed to turn to page 1 of a psychological science methodology text. Now follow along as we point out the problems that occur when clinicians conduct "studies" unsupervised. And you clinicians, use your finger so you don't lose your place.</p><p>What's first? The title. "Have" implies proven validity. There is none. "Serious" implies something more than mild. But the text states "surpassed threshhold" which means the measures were as low as the absolute minimum. When you can start an article biopsy with the title, you can expect many more such morsels to enjoy. And on.</p><p>The article, like the test, convolves the concepts of personality and clinical manifestations of psychopathology. The latter as tacked on after the original construction.</p><p>TFA is using entirely self-report data, the worst source. Current versions of MMPI have scales built in to detect falsification of answers, although those scales are criticized. The original version, used through most of the time frame of this study, had no internal validity testing.</p><p>Between the greater acceptability of admitting problems on one hand, and the victim/disease sufferer mentality towards any problems, it is not surprising that recent test takers would admit to having problems. In fact this result should be expected because of these. More people today are more aware of more kinds of problems and the symptoms that go with them. They're more likely to recognize the problem if they have it. They're also more likely to think they have the problem if they think they recognize some of the symptoms in themselves (in training we call it 'symptomitis'). In 1938 most students didn't know squat about mental health and disorder and so wouldn't recognize them as this.</p><p>In 1938 and for some time after (the Great Depression being still fresh in their minds), there was great emphasis on self-reliance and of being of help or use to others, with de-emphasis on relying on others. If one is to stand on ones' own feet and especially if one is to support others, then one does not admit to a weakness (as mental problems were considered then). If you had problems, then that was the hand you were dealt and you played it, and you accepted that, rather than asking someone else to come along and make things OK for you. Nowdays it's far more acceptable, and in many situations expected, for one to admit problems and seek help. And all this is exactly how people would answer questions about these things.</p><p>The scales looked at in TFA were the clinical scales. The scales themselves are of questionable validity, as are the concepts on which they were supposedly based. For instance, hyster-ia, a throwback all the way to ancient Greece and carried forward all the way into the 20th century, with the original construct being this is a common malady among women, for which the only real solution (until Freud's 'talking cure', which never worked) was a hyster-ectomy. Just to remind you, the data go all the way to 2007. Try to find hysteria in any insurance company's coverage descriptions or any diagnostic manuals.</p><p>As cultural definitions change, psychological definitions change. Hopefully for the better, but at least keeping up with culture's changes. The culture of 1938 put several things into the primary diagnostic tool (the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the APA) which were later removed. Homosexuality for example. In any case, these change, making any attempt at valid correlations wrong to some degree in every case.</p><p>The entire clinical scale section is so out of date and invalidated that it's being completely rewritten and replaced. So what does that say for previous data? How far back is it invalid, and/or how old does it have to be in order to be any good? And with the advances made in the last 70 years, how many of the originals that were accepted then have been found to have been incorrect, and thus the related data worthless?</p><p>From TFA: "the clinical scales were derived by selecting items that were endorsed</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Had this been real science you 'd have been instructed to turn to page 1 of a psychological science methodology text .
Now follow along as we point out the problems that occur when clinicians conduct " studies " unsupervised .
And you clinicians , use your finger so you do n't lose your place.What 's first ?
The title .
" Have " implies proven validity .
There is none .
" Serious " implies something more than mild .
But the text states " surpassed threshhold " which means the measures were as low as the absolute minimum .
When you can start an article biopsy with the title , you can expect many more such morsels to enjoy .
And on.The article , like the test , convolves the concepts of personality and clinical manifestations of psychopathology .
The latter as tacked on after the original construction.TFA is using entirely self-report data , the worst source .
Current versions of MMPI have scales built in to detect falsification of answers , although those scales are criticized .
The original version , used through most of the time frame of this study , had no internal validity testing.Between the greater acceptability of admitting problems on one hand , and the victim/disease sufferer mentality towards any problems , it is not surprising that recent test takers would admit to having problems .
In fact this result should be expected because of these .
More people today are more aware of more kinds of problems and the symptoms that go with them .
They 're more likely to recognize the problem if they have it .
They 're also more likely to think they have the problem if they think they recognize some of the symptoms in themselves ( in training we call it 'symptomitis ' ) .
In 1938 most students did n't know squat about mental health and disorder and so would n't recognize them as this.In 1938 and for some time after ( the Great Depression being still fresh in their minds ) , there was great emphasis on self-reliance and of being of help or use to others , with de-emphasis on relying on others .
If one is to stand on ones ' own feet and especially if one is to support others , then one does not admit to a weakness ( as mental problems were considered then ) .
If you had problems , then that was the hand you were dealt and you played it , and you accepted that , rather than asking someone else to come along and make things OK for you .
Nowdays it 's far more acceptable , and in many situations expected , for one to admit problems and seek help .
And all this is exactly how people would answer questions about these things.The scales looked at in TFA were the clinical scales .
The scales themselves are of questionable validity , as are the concepts on which they were supposedly based .
For instance , hyster-ia , a throwback all the way to ancient Greece and carried forward all the way into the 20th century , with the original construct being this is a common malady among women , for which the only real solution ( until Freud 's 'talking cure ' , which never worked ) was a hyster-ectomy .
Just to remind you , the data go all the way to 2007 .
Try to find hysteria in any insurance company 's coverage descriptions or any diagnostic manuals.As cultural definitions change , psychological definitions change .
Hopefully for the better , but at least keeping up with culture 's changes .
The culture of 1938 put several things into the primary diagnostic tool ( the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the APA ) which were later removed .
Homosexuality for example .
In any case , these change , making any attempt at valid correlations wrong to some degree in every case.The entire clinical scale section is so out of date and invalidated that it 's being completely rewritten and replaced .
So what does that say for previous data ?
How far back is it invalid , and/or how old does it have to be in order to be any good ?
And with the advances made in the last 70 years , how many of the originals that were accepted then have been found to have been incorrect , and thus the related data worthless ? From TFA : " the clinical scales were derived by selecting items that were endorsed</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Had this been real science you'd have been instructed to turn to page 1 of a psychological science methodology text.
Now follow along as we point out the problems that occur when clinicians conduct "studies" unsupervised.
And you clinicians, use your finger so you don't lose your place.What's first?
The title.
"Have" implies proven validity.
There is none.
"Serious" implies something more than mild.
But the text states "surpassed threshhold" which means the measures were as low as the absolute minimum.
When you can start an article biopsy with the title, you can expect many more such morsels to enjoy.
And on.The article, like the test, convolves the concepts of personality and clinical manifestations of psychopathology.
The latter as tacked on after the original construction.TFA is using entirely self-report data, the worst source.
Current versions of MMPI have scales built in to detect falsification of answers, although those scales are criticized.
The original version, used through most of the time frame of this study, had no internal validity testing.Between the greater acceptability of admitting problems on one hand, and the victim/disease sufferer mentality towards any problems, it is not surprising that recent test takers would admit to having problems.
In fact this result should be expected because of these.
More people today are more aware of more kinds of problems and the symptoms that go with them.
They're more likely to recognize the problem if they have it.
They're also more likely to think they have the problem if they think they recognize some of the symptoms in themselves (in training we call it 'symptomitis').
In 1938 most students didn't know squat about mental health and disorder and so wouldn't recognize them as this.In 1938 and for some time after (the Great Depression being still fresh in their minds), there was great emphasis on self-reliance and of being of help or use to others, with de-emphasis on relying on others.
If one is to stand on ones' own feet and especially if one is to support others, then one does not admit to a weakness (as mental problems were considered then).
If you had problems, then that was the hand you were dealt and you played it, and you accepted that, rather than asking someone else to come along and make things OK for you.
Nowdays it's far more acceptable, and in many situations expected, for one to admit problems and seek help.
And all this is exactly how people would answer questions about these things.The scales looked at in TFA were the clinical scales.
The scales themselves are of questionable validity, as are the concepts on which they were supposedly based.
For instance, hyster-ia, a throwback all the way to ancient Greece and carried forward all the way into the 20th century, with the original construct being this is a common malady among women, for which the only real solution (until Freud's 'talking cure', which never worked) was a hyster-ectomy.
Just to remind you, the data go all the way to 2007.
Try to find hysteria in any insurance company's coverage descriptions or any diagnostic manuals.As cultural definitions change, psychological definitions change.
Hopefully for the better, but at least keeping up with culture's changes.
The culture of 1938 put several things into the primary diagnostic tool (the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the APA) which were later removed.
Homosexuality for example.
In any case, these change, making any attempt at valid correlations wrong to some degree in every case.The entire clinical scale section is so out of date and invalidated that it's being completely rewritten and replaced.
So what does that say for previous data?
How far back is it invalid, and/or how old does it have to be in order to be any good?
And with the advances made in the last 70 years, how many of the originals that were accepted then have been found to have been incorrect, and thus the related data worthless?From TFA: "the clinical scales were derived by selecting items that were endorsed</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:How does this make you FEEL?</title>
	<author>dtmancom</author>
	<datestamp>1263291900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><i>Let's see; when you give kids a trophy for just showing up to the game, and high school kids make 'A' grades for minimal effort... kids today are conditioned to believe that life is easy, and they are 'super-duper'. This is the post accomplishment era we live in. Their actual test scores are among the lowest of civilized nations, yet their confidence levels are among the highest. What does this tell us?</i>
<br>
It tells me that in the global economy foreign kids will be the worker bees getting things done, and American kids are going to be management.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's see ; when you give kids a trophy for just showing up to the game , and high school kids make 'A ' grades for minimal effort... kids today are conditioned to believe that life is easy , and they are 'super-duper' .
This is the post accomplishment era we live in .
Their actual test scores are among the lowest of civilized nations , yet their confidence levels are among the highest .
What does this tell us ?
It tells me that in the global economy foreign kids will be the worker bees getting things done , and American kids are going to be management .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's see; when you give kids a trophy for just showing up to the game, and high school kids make 'A' grades for minimal effort... kids today are conditioned to believe that life is easy, and they are 'super-duper'.
This is the post accomplishment era we live in.
Their actual test scores are among the lowest of civilized nations, yet their confidence levels are among the highest.
What does this tell us?
It tells me that in the global economy foreign kids will be the worker bees getting things done, and American kids are going to be management.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Of course...</title>
	<author>Windwraith</author>
	<datestamp>1263294180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>...We are paying the mistakes of the previous generations. The #1 cause of "messed up individuals" is bad parenting.<br>When I was a child, my mother physically abused me until she broke her own hands. Then she swapped to tactics of power-mongering and psychological abuse that still keeps to this day. Any mistake or anything she saw as a offense (not as a "wrong thing", she doesn't care about education), it meant to sleep on the street for days. She suffers a form of autism and paranoid behavoir inherited from her family branch.<br>That person suffered 2 or 3 years of her life and made sure my brother's  and my life was a mess. We got no basic education or "street wisdom" at all. I had absolute prohibition to go out or hang out with friends, so I turned distant. Fuck, when my brother was like 7 she made him swallow soap to "cleanse him up".<br>Every single mistake is punished harshly with insults, and any new info she obtains on you is used as a weapon immediately.<br>This person doesn't leave home anymore except for groceries, and has one of those phobias to bacteries and stuff, wearing gloves to do any single action. My brother eventually followed her steps, and is now unable to leave home out of paranoia and "following her example". I live with them as I can't afford an apartment with my low salary.<br>My father divorced her when I was a kid, it was relatively new back then. I didn't care much but we lived without moneys for some years, which was hard. He also is the most distant person ever, being extremely friendly on presence but never remembering about his offspring otherwise. No birthdays or holidays, he's totally oblivious.</p><p>Sounds like "I just need to do things right", but it's easy to say when I don't know how the hell the right way is. I can have an idea but I don't know for certain, only theories, and there are things I am still realizing at this point, realizing how non-existent my education was. I was forcefully isolated and shaped to the whims of a mentally unstable person, and it took me several years to realize what the fuck was going on. At this point I might still carry her fucking stigma without realizing. It's hard to undo bad parenting even knowing the problem. Every week I had to heard how I was a failure in a condom, and taunts that are more out of a verbal fight than any attempt at education.</p><p>All of this caused a large number of mental diseases, most importantly Narcolepsy (falling asleep anywhere without notice except at bed. I can even fall asleep walking, on the bus, at work...) and Irritable Bowel Syndrome from the lack of sleep, which only allows one meal a day under risk of severe diarrhea and pain. I can only medicate the second because I get funky side effects from the benzodiazepamines I was prescripted for narcolepsy, and that helps getting a relatively normal life. Still, no one will ever recognize it as a handicap, they will just think of a day they didn't sleep well and consider it a minor thing...but I have had accidents for falling asleep without noticing, with multiple injuries. Also the lack of energy and willpower and depressions triggered by lacking sleep.</p><p>Anyway I digress. Everyone I know who is miserable even with money and survival means, has parents that shouldn't have been allowed to bear children, simply. I regard my mother as garbage, for being such an evil, arrogant and energy-draining bitch, and for not doing what she had to do. I know that when I can hold myself without taking care of those close-ins (rentals here are way more expensive than the US with lower minimum wage), I am not seeing her again. Maybe my brother...he was made a subhuman by her actions but he kicked ass when he was a kid.</p><p>Don't blame youth, blame who made them whiny, diseased bitches. You will find the one that gave them life is the reason that life is miserable, more often than not.</p><p>Hey, at least no one in that shitwad of a family I have gets drunk, it's a definite plus.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...We are paying the mistakes of the previous generations .
The # 1 cause of " messed up individuals " is bad parenting.When I was a child , my mother physically abused me until she broke her own hands .
Then she swapped to tactics of power-mongering and psychological abuse that still keeps to this day .
Any mistake or anything she saw as a offense ( not as a " wrong thing " , she does n't care about education ) , it meant to sleep on the street for days .
She suffers a form of autism and paranoid behavoir inherited from her family branch.That person suffered 2 or 3 years of her life and made sure my brother 's and my life was a mess .
We got no basic education or " street wisdom " at all .
I had absolute prohibition to go out or hang out with friends , so I turned distant .
Fuck , when my brother was like 7 she made him swallow soap to " cleanse him up " .Every single mistake is punished harshly with insults , and any new info she obtains on you is used as a weapon immediately.This person does n't leave home anymore except for groceries , and has one of those phobias to bacteries and stuff , wearing gloves to do any single action .
My brother eventually followed her steps , and is now unable to leave home out of paranoia and " following her example " .
I live with them as I ca n't afford an apartment with my low salary.My father divorced her when I was a kid , it was relatively new back then .
I did n't care much but we lived without moneys for some years , which was hard .
He also is the most distant person ever , being extremely friendly on presence but never remembering about his offspring otherwise .
No birthdays or holidays , he 's totally oblivious.Sounds like " I just need to do things right " , but it 's easy to say when I do n't know how the hell the right way is .
I can have an idea but I do n't know for certain , only theories , and there are things I am still realizing at this point , realizing how non-existent my education was .
I was forcefully isolated and shaped to the whims of a mentally unstable person , and it took me several years to realize what the fuck was going on .
At this point I might still carry her fucking stigma without realizing .
It 's hard to undo bad parenting even knowing the problem .
Every week I had to heard how I was a failure in a condom , and taunts that are more out of a verbal fight than any attempt at education.All of this caused a large number of mental diseases , most importantly Narcolepsy ( falling asleep anywhere without notice except at bed .
I can even fall asleep walking , on the bus , at work... ) and Irritable Bowel Syndrome from the lack of sleep , which only allows one meal a day under risk of severe diarrhea and pain .
I can only medicate the second because I get funky side effects from the benzodiazepamines I was prescripted for narcolepsy , and that helps getting a relatively normal life .
Still , no one will ever recognize it as a handicap , they will just think of a day they did n't sleep well and consider it a minor thing...but I have had accidents for falling asleep without noticing , with multiple injuries .
Also the lack of energy and willpower and depressions triggered by lacking sleep.Anyway I digress .
Everyone I know who is miserable even with money and survival means , has parents that should n't have been allowed to bear children , simply .
I regard my mother as garbage , for being such an evil , arrogant and energy-draining bitch , and for not doing what she had to do .
I know that when I can hold myself without taking care of those close-ins ( rentals here are way more expensive than the US with lower minimum wage ) , I am not seeing her again .
Maybe my brother...he was made a subhuman by her actions but he kicked ass when he was a kid.Do n't blame youth , blame who made them whiny , diseased bitches .
You will find the one that gave them life is the reason that life is miserable , more often than not.Hey , at least no one in that shitwad of a family I have gets drunk , it 's a definite plus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...We are paying the mistakes of the previous generations.
The #1 cause of "messed up individuals" is bad parenting.When I was a child, my mother physically abused me until she broke her own hands.
Then she swapped to tactics of power-mongering and psychological abuse that still keeps to this day.
Any mistake or anything she saw as a offense (not as a "wrong thing", she doesn't care about education), it meant to sleep on the street for days.
She suffers a form of autism and paranoid behavoir inherited from her family branch.That person suffered 2 or 3 years of her life and made sure my brother's  and my life was a mess.
We got no basic education or "street wisdom" at all.
I had absolute prohibition to go out or hang out with friends, so I turned distant.
Fuck, when my brother was like 7 she made him swallow soap to "cleanse him up".Every single mistake is punished harshly with insults, and any new info she obtains on you is used as a weapon immediately.This person doesn't leave home anymore except for groceries, and has one of those phobias to bacteries and stuff, wearing gloves to do any single action.
My brother eventually followed her steps, and is now unable to leave home out of paranoia and "following her example".
I live with them as I can't afford an apartment with my low salary.My father divorced her when I was a kid, it was relatively new back then.
I didn't care much but we lived without moneys for some years, which was hard.
He also is the most distant person ever, being extremely friendly on presence but never remembering about his offspring otherwise.
No birthdays or holidays, he's totally oblivious.Sounds like "I just need to do things right", but it's easy to say when I don't know how the hell the right way is.
I can have an idea but I don't know for certain, only theories, and there are things I am still realizing at this point, realizing how non-existent my education was.
I was forcefully isolated and shaped to the whims of a mentally unstable person, and it took me several years to realize what the fuck was going on.
At this point I might still carry her fucking stigma without realizing.
It's hard to undo bad parenting even knowing the problem.
Every week I had to heard how I was a failure in a condom, and taunts that are more out of a verbal fight than any attempt at education.All of this caused a large number of mental diseases, most importantly Narcolepsy (falling asleep anywhere without notice except at bed.
I can even fall asleep walking, on the bus, at work...) and Irritable Bowel Syndrome from the lack of sleep, which only allows one meal a day under risk of severe diarrhea and pain.
I can only medicate the second because I get funky side effects from the benzodiazepamines I was prescripted for narcolepsy, and that helps getting a relatively normal life.
Still, no one will ever recognize it as a handicap, they will just think of a day they didn't sleep well and consider it a minor thing...but I have had accidents for falling asleep without noticing, with multiple injuries.
Also the lack of energy and willpower and depressions triggered by lacking sleep.Anyway I digress.
Everyone I know who is miserable even with money and survival means, has parents that shouldn't have been allowed to bear children, simply.
I regard my mother as garbage, for being such an evil, arrogant and energy-draining bitch, and for not doing what she had to do.
I know that when I can hold myself without taking care of those close-ins (rentals here are way more expensive than the US with lower minimum wage), I am not seeing her again.
Maybe my brother...he was made a subhuman by her actions but he kicked ass when he was a kid.Don't blame youth, blame who made them whiny, diseased bitches.
You will find the one that gave them life is the reason that life is miserable, more often than not.Hey, at least no one in that shitwad of a family I have gets drunk, it's a definite plus.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:previous generations</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263323040000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Were you too lazy to read the article, or too dumb to understand it?  Your post proves that those are the ONLY possible answers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Were you too lazy to read the article , or too dumb to understand it ?
Your post proves that those are the ONLY possible answers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Were you too lazy to read the article, or too dumb to understand it?
Your post proves that those are the ONLY possible answers.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Greater Knowledge</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263318060000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>No, my grandfather died and the man I'm referring to is the man my grandmother married afterword. I'm not going to deny I'm likely biased against him, if you're a TV tropes reader, he's basically a personal Replacement Scrappy of mine. I really liked my grandfather and aren't a huge fan of the man in question. I wasn't trying to show any disrespect for him, I like some of what he does, but that just seemed a natural thing to call him. He doesn't consider me a grandson (and he's made that clear) and I don't consider him a grandfather.</p><p>What do you think I should call my grandmother's second husband, if not my grandmother's husband? I'm honestly curious.</p><p>Also, that's hardly the only situation where the husband of my grandmother wouldn't be my grandfather. Divorce, affairs, polygamy, whatever.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , my grandfather died and the man I 'm referring to is the man my grandmother married afterword .
I 'm not going to deny I 'm likely biased against him , if you 're a TV tropes reader , he 's basically a personal Replacement Scrappy of mine .
I really liked my grandfather and are n't a huge fan of the man in question .
I was n't trying to show any disrespect for him , I like some of what he does , but that just seemed a natural thing to call him .
He does n't consider me a grandson ( and he 's made that clear ) and I do n't consider him a grandfather.What do you think I should call my grandmother 's second husband , if not my grandmother 's husband ?
I 'm honestly curious.Also , that 's hardly the only situation where the husband of my grandmother would n't be my grandfather .
Divorce , affairs , polygamy , whatever .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, my grandfather died and the man I'm referring to is the man my grandmother married afterword.
I'm not going to deny I'm likely biased against him, if you're a TV tropes reader, he's basically a personal Replacement Scrappy of mine.
I really liked my grandfather and aren't a huge fan of the man in question.
I wasn't trying to show any disrespect for him, I like some of what he does, but that just seemed a natural thing to call him.
He doesn't consider me a grandson (and he's made that clear) and I don't consider him a grandfather.What do you think I should call my grandmother's second husband, if not my grandmother's husband?
I'm honestly curious.Also, that's hardly the only situation where the husband of my grandmother wouldn't be my grandfather.
Divorce, affairs, polygamy, whatever.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30737122</id>
	<title>What about Europe and Asia?</title>
	<author>simp</author>
	<datestamp>1263311820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Does anybody have the numbers for EU and Asia? For some reason I'm not seeing the same stories here in the EU.  Personally I think that in the US there is a real drive to get everybody who shows a bit of a problem directly on heavy medication instead of dealing with it while they grow up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anybody have the numbers for EU and Asia ?
For some reason I 'm not seeing the same stories here in the EU .
Personally I think that in the US there is a real drive to get everybody who shows a bit of a problem directly on heavy medication instead of dealing with it while they grow up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anybody have the numbers for EU and Asia?
For some reason I'm not seeing the same stories here in the EU.
Personally I think that in the US there is a real drive to get everybody who shows a bit of a problem directly on heavy medication instead of dealing with it while they grow up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30737364</id>
	<title>It really bothered me</title>
	<author>whitedsepdivine</author>
	<datestamp>1263312720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is spelled percent not "per cent".</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is spelled percent not " per cent " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is spelled percent not "per cent".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30737108</id>
	<title>How does this make you FEEL?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263311760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's see; when you give kids a trophy for just showing up to the game, and high school kids make 'A' grades for minimal effort... kids today are conditioned to believe that life is easy, and they are 'super-duper'. This is the post accomplishment era we live in. Their actual test scores are among the lowest of civilized nations, yet their confidence levels are among the highest. What does this tell us? They don't know anything but they FEEL really good about it. This is what we get when the school system focuses on the importance of feeling rather than the importance of achieving. When kids discover that the real world doesn't care how you FEEL, it is rather anxiety inducing. The employer stance has necessarily become one of: I DON'T CARE how you feel, can you do the job or not?" Pay is based upon accomplishment and achievement, not on feelings.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's see ; when you give kids a trophy for just showing up to the game , and high school kids make 'A ' grades for minimal effort... kids today are conditioned to believe that life is easy , and they are 'super-duper' .
This is the post accomplishment era we live in .
Their actual test scores are among the lowest of civilized nations , yet their confidence levels are among the highest .
What does this tell us ?
They do n't know anything but they FEEL really good about it .
This is what we get when the school system focuses on the importance of feeling rather than the importance of achieving .
When kids discover that the real world does n't care how you FEEL , it is rather anxiety inducing .
The employer stance has necessarily become one of : I DO N'T CARE how you feel , can you do the job or not ?
" Pay is based upon accomplishment and achievement , not on feelings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's see; when you give kids a trophy for just showing up to the game, and high school kids make 'A' grades for minimal effort... kids today are conditioned to believe that life is easy, and they are 'super-duper'.
This is the post accomplishment era we live in.
Their actual test scores are among the lowest of civilized nations, yet their confidence levels are among the highest.
What does this tell us?
They don't know anything but they FEEL really good about it.
This is what we get when the school system focuses on the importance of feeling rather than the importance of achieving.
When kids discover that the real world doesn't care how you FEEL, it is rather anxiety inducing.
The employer stance has necessarily become one of: I DON'T CARE how you feel, can you do the job or not?
" Pay is based upon accomplishment and achievement, not on feelings.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30737880</id>
	<title>Been there</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263314880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Three years ago I would have had the same opinions on the topic as many others on this site.  All spouting off with no personal experience. Until you live it like I have you know absolutely nothing about what it is like dealing with a child with mental health issues.</p><p>I can't explain why my 12 year old became anxiety-ridden, depressed, self-destructive, possibly even suicidal.  I can tell you it was a horrible couple of years filled with a lot of experiences I thought would never happen to me and my family. There were times I thought my wife would lose it from the stress.</p><p>Whatever it was, he seems to be mostly past it now that he is close to 15.  He's back in regular school, and is as pleasant as a typical teen. I hope he stays that way.  But I've learned that a lot of things are completely out of my control.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Three years ago I would have had the same opinions on the topic as many others on this site .
All spouting off with no personal experience .
Until you live it like I have you know absolutely nothing about what it is like dealing with a child with mental health issues.I ca n't explain why my 12 year old became anxiety-ridden , depressed , self-destructive , possibly even suicidal .
I can tell you it was a horrible couple of years filled with a lot of experiences I thought would never happen to me and my family .
There were times I thought my wife would lose it from the stress.Whatever it was , he seems to be mostly past it now that he is close to 15 .
He 's back in regular school , and is as pleasant as a typical teen .
I hope he stays that way .
But I 've learned that a lot of things are completely out of my control .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Three years ago I would have had the same opinions on the topic as many others on this site.
All spouting off with no personal experience.
Until you live it like I have you know absolutely nothing about what it is like dealing with a child with mental health issues.I can't explain why my 12 year old became anxiety-ridden, depressed, self-destructive, possibly even suicidal.
I can tell you it was a horrible couple of years filled with a lot of experiences I thought would never happen to me and my family.
There were times I thought my wife would lose it from the stress.Whatever it was, he seems to be mostly past it now that he is close to 15.
He's back in regular school, and is as pleasant as a typical teen.
I hope he stays that way.
But I've learned that a lot of things are completely out of my control.</sentencetext>
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	<title>-Wa clean compile</title>
	<author>epine</author>
	<datestamp>1263324540000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Overall, an average of five times as many students in 2007 <b>surpassed thresholds</b> in one or more mental health categories, compared with those who did so in 1938.</p></div></blockquote><p>It only takes <b>two words</b> to frame the result with intelligence, yet so few reporters surpass this easy threshold.  A gem of a sentence.  I'm rendered completely unable to snark.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Overall , an average of five times as many students in 2007 surpassed thresholds in one or more mental health categories , compared with those who did so in 1938.It only takes two words to frame the result with intelligence , yet so few reporters surpass this easy threshold .
A gem of a sentence .
I 'm rendered completely unable to snark .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Overall, an average of five times as many students in 2007 surpassed thresholds in one or more mental health categories, compared with those who did so in 1938.It only takes two words to frame the result with intelligence, yet so few reporters surpass this easy threshold.
A gem of a sentence.
I'm rendered completely unable to snark.
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	<title>Re:Stop projecting....</title>
	<author>happy\_place</author>
	<datestamp>1263315900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Good points. IMO, the real underlying trouble is that kids are facing adult situations earlier and earlier. In each of your bullet points above, you could put them all under the same category, that children are being asked to perform as adults before their minds are developed to do so. There are additional issues as well, including sexuality (something that has been proven not to be fully formed in many people until well into their twenties) and more adults forms of entertainment. Remember when you were a kid and were afraid of the dark? Kids aren't allowed to be afraid of the dark, cuz they've already seen hundreds of murders and are afraid of being morbidly obese and victims of terrorism. Parents didn't used to share every fear, every urge, every craving with their children. They allowed their children to be children. Now, it's kinda like that guy that puts a beer-can in a baby's hand and then laughs it up... </p><p>And the schools don't help, much. They've got more and more to teach, including things like "how not to be a bully". Academic pressure to read before kindergarten is enormous these days. And many parents have nothing better to do with their 1.5 children, than to turn their kids into their own personal hobbies. They almost have too much attention. Even some of the organizational skills they try to teach to children in early school, imo, can have detrimental effects if a child isn't ready to be an accountant at age 6. Honors programs are great if a kid is self-motivated, but too often parents see it as a failure on their part if their child didn't make it into the top tier math class. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good points .
IMO , the real underlying trouble is that kids are facing adult situations earlier and earlier .
In each of your bullet points above , you could put them all under the same category , that children are being asked to perform as adults before their minds are developed to do so .
There are additional issues as well , including sexuality ( something that has been proven not to be fully formed in many people until well into their twenties ) and more adults forms of entertainment .
Remember when you were a kid and were afraid of the dark ?
Kids are n't allowed to be afraid of the dark , cuz they 've already seen hundreds of murders and are afraid of being morbidly obese and victims of terrorism .
Parents did n't used to share every fear , every urge , every craving with their children .
They allowed their children to be children .
Now , it 's kinda like that guy that puts a beer-can in a baby 's hand and then laughs it up... And the schools do n't help , much .
They 've got more and more to teach , including things like " how not to be a bully " .
Academic pressure to read before kindergarten is enormous these days .
And many parents have nothing better to do with their 1.5 children , than to turn their kids into their own personal hobbies .
They almost have too much attention .
Even some of the organizational skills they try to teach to children in early school , imo , can have detrimental effects if a child is n't ready to be an accountant at age 6 .
Honors programs are great if a kid is self-motivated , but too often parents see it as a failure on their part if their child did n't make it into the top tier math class .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good points.
IMO, the real underlying trouble is that kids are facing adult situations earlier and earlier.
In each of your bullet points above, you could put them all under the same category, that children are being asked to perform as adults before their minds are developed to do so.
There are additional issues as well, including sexuality (something that has been proven not to be fully formed in many people until well into their twenties) and more adults forms of entertainment.
Remember when you were a kid and were afraid of the dark?
Kids aren't allowed to be afraid of the dark, cuz they've already seen hundreds of murders and are afraid of being morbidly obese and victims of terrorism.
Parents didn't used to share every fear, every urge, every craving with their children.
They allowed their children to be children.
Now, it's kinda like that guy that puts a beer-can in a baby's hand and then laughs it up... And the schools don't help, much.
They've got more and more to teach, including things like "how not to be a bully".
Academic pressure to read before kindergarten is enormous these days.
And many parents have nothing better to do with their 1.5 children, than to turn their kids into their own personal hobbies.
They almost have too much attention.
Even some of the organizational skills they try to teach to children in early school, imo, can have detrimental effects if a child isn't ready to be an accountant at age 6.
Honors programs are great if a kid is self-motivated, but too often parents see it as a failure on their part if their child didn't make it into the top tier math class. </sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Some really desolate lawns</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263326040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obsessively schedule-driven is not the same as competitive, nor necessarily disciplined.  Although punctuality implies at least some level of discipline, unless the kid themselves are drawing up and implementing the schedules, it doesn't mean much.  If someone else is doing all the scheduling, that just means someone else is doing all the thinking and planning for them, and they're just following instructions.</p><p>If they're being kept constantly in motion moving from micro-managed pre-planned activity to micro-managed pre-planned activity, how do you expect them to ever be able to think and plan for themselves?  Or be at ease with doing something without being told when and what to do?</p><p>This kind of silliness seems to be just as long-term poisonous as the general attitude the GP describes.  The US seems to be a mix of both, depending on location and demographic.</p><p>"There are only two places in our world where time takes precedence over the job to be done: school and prison." William Glasser</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obsessively schedule-driven is not the same as competitive , nor necessarily disciplined .
Although punctuality implies at least some level of discipline , unless the kid themselves are drawing up and implementing the schedules , it does n't mean much .
If someone else is doing all the scheduling , that just means someone else is doing all the thinking and planning for them , and they 're just following instructions.If they 're being kept constantly in motion moving from micro-managed pre-planned activity to micro-managed pre-planned activity , how do you expect them to ever be able to think and plan for themselves ?
Or be at ease with doing something without being told when and what to do ? This kind of silliness seems to be just as long-term poisonous as the general attitude the GP describes .
The US seems to be a mix of both , depending on location and demographic .
" There are only two places in our world where time takes precedence over the job to be done : school and prison .
" William Glasser</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obsessively schedule-driven is not the same as competitive, nor necessarily disciplined.
Although punctuality implies at least some level of discipline, unless the kid themselves are drawing up and implementing the schedules, it doesn't mean much.
If someone else is doing all the scheduling, that just means someone else is doing all the thinking and planning for them, and they're just following instructions.If they're being kept constantly in motion moving from micro-managed pre-planned activity to micro-managed pre-planned activity, how do you expect them to ever be able to think and plan for themselves?
Or be at ease with doing something without being told when and what to do?This kind of silliness seems to be just as long-term poisonous as the general attitude the GP describes.
The US seems to be a mix of both, depending on location and demographic.
"There are only two places in our world where time takes precedence over the job to be done: school and prison.
" William Glasser</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30737042</id>
	<title>Greater Knowledge</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263311580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This reminds me of some comments I've seen old people make. That things were better in the '50s because people didn't have "these problems" with mental health, minorities and whatnot. And how they act as if homosexuality was something invented in the '80s or '90s to shock and offend them. Forgetting or course that many of the mental health problems existed but were classified as demonic possession or something stupid, and people were generally less likely to seek assistance because of both societal disapproval, and lack of knowledge on their part. Also, obviously, so called "problems" like homosexuality have existed forever, it's only in recent decades that society has become tolerant enough that some people are no longer hiding it.</p><p>I didn't read the article and am in no way commenting on it. The writeup and headline just reminded me of my grandmother's husband.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This reminds me of some comments I 've seen old people make .
That things were better in the '50s because people did n't have " these problems " with mental health , minorities and whatnot .
And how they act as if homosexuality was something invented in the '80s or '90s to shock and offend them .
Forgetting or course that many of the mental health problems existed but were classified as demonic possession or something stupid , and people were generally less likely to seek assistance because of both societal disapproval , and lack of knowledge on their part .
Also , obviously , so called " problems " like homosexuality have existed forever , it 's only in recent decades that society has become tolerant enough that some people are no longer hiding it.I did n't read the article and am in no way commenting on it .
The writeup and headline just reminded me of my grandmother 's husband .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This reminds me of some comments I've seen old people make.
That things were better in the '50s because people didn't have "these problems" with mental health, minorities and whatnot.
And how they act as if homosexuality was something invented in the '80s or '90s to shock and offend them.
Forgetting or course that many of the mental health problems existed but were classified as demonic possession or something stupid, and people were generally less likely to seek assistance because of both societal disapproval, and lack of knowledge on their part.
Also, obviously, so called "problems" like homosexuality have existed forever, it's only in recent decades that society has become tolerant enough that some people are no longer hiding it.I didn't read the article and am in no way commenting on it.
The writeup and headline just reminded me of my grandmother's husband.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:"Orchid Children"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263301860000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>&gt; One nice takeaway from the rhesus monkey study: in the long run, bullies never win.</p><p>Hmm. But if the orchid theory is true, doesn't that mean that bullies really DO destroy the lives of those around them before the bullies themselves fail?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; One nice takeaway from the rhesus monkey study : in the long run , bullies never win.Hmm .
But if the orchid theory is true , does n't that mean that bullies really DO destroy the lives of those around them before the bullies themselves fail ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; One nice takeaway from the rhesus monkey study: in the long run, bullies never win.Hmm.
But if the orchid theory is true, doesn't that mean that bullies really DO destroy the lives of those around them before the bullies themselves fail?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Um hello</title>
	<author>Broken scope</author>
	<datestamp>1263313020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Kids who were still in school or College during the depression were doing pretty fucking well. It typically meant there parents still had some kind of money, or it meant that there parent didn't need their help scraping together food money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kids who were still in school or College during the depression were doing pretty fucking well .
It typically meant there parents still had some kind of money , or it meant that there parent did n't need their help scraping together food money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kids who were still in school or College during the depression were doing pretty fucking well.
It typically meant there parents still had some kind of money, or it meant that there parent didn't need their help scraping together food money.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30738116</id>
	<title>Recent trip outside of Canada/USA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263315780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Recently, I've taken a trip outside of North America to Cuba. A nation that receives some really bad vibes among the American capitalists, even today. While visiting Cuba we stayed at a 5 star resort which I have to say was one of the most beautiful resorts I have ever seen. The people work hard for what they have. They live in a socialist society there where everyone contributes back to the government which is suppose to equally disperse among the nation. People have literally nothing there for the most part. It intriqued me while driving from the airport to the resort watching people in the local villages so when I arrived at the resort I walked right back off of it and walked for 6 miles and I quickly realized that this simplistic "savage" life - as one British snob blond said, was actually a life that people appeared to be happy with. Life seemed very simple but pleasant among the children, youth, and adults. People obviously strive for more and there is more in a nation where the mega corporate empire above them has put down the movements of Cuba as a movement of the enemy. While I don't agree with the socialist movement in the way it was designed in Cuba, I can agree that the hungry mothers, with little or no processions, living in grass shacks with 6 kids appear less stressed than the imperialists soccer mom with 1 kid stressing over those SUV and $1 million dollar suburb payments. We need to reach a balance in North America where the chicken tastes great, the cellphones work well, and people live a little more simpler than we have been trying to do since WWII. Make a year of military school mandatory for all children, shut down the local grocery store for a day in a normal week, provide people with access to the land like we once had, stop encouraging everyone to live in NYC, and just maybe people will realize what they already have and appreciate it a little more and stop stressing over wanting more, more, more.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Recently , I 've taken a trip outside of North America to Cuba .
A nation that receives some really bad vibes among the American capitalists , even today .
While visiting Cuba we stayed at a 5 star resort which I have to say was one of the most beautiful resorts I have ever seen .
The people work hard for what they have .
They live in a socialist society there where everyone contributes back to the government which is suppose to equally disperse among the nation .
People have literally nothing there for the most part .
It intriqued me while driving from the airport to the resort watching people in the local villages so when I arrived at the resort I walked right back off of it and walked for 6 miles and I quickly realized that this simplistic " savage " life - as one British snob blond said , was actually a life that people appeared to be happy with .
Life seemed very simple but pleasant among the children , youth , and adults .
People obviously strive for more and there is more in a nation where the mega corporate empire above them has put down the movements of Cuba as a movement of the enemy .
While I do n't agree with the socialist movement in the way it was designed in Cuba , I can agree that the hungry mothers , with little or no processions , living in grass shacks with 6 kids appear less stressed than the imperialists soccer mom with 1 kid stressing over those SUV and $ 1 million dollar suburb payments .
We need to reach a balance in North America where the chicken tastes great , the cellphones work well , and people live a little more simpler than we have been trying to do since WWII .
Make a year of military school mandatory for all children , shut down the local grocery store for a day in a normal week , provide people with access to the land like we once had , stop encouraging everyone to live in NYC , and just maybe people will realize what they already have and appreciate it a little more and stop stressing over wanting more , more , more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Recently, I've taken a trip outside of North America to Cuba.
A nation that receives some really bad vibes among the American capitalists, even today.
While visiting Cuba we stayed at a 5 star resort which I have to say was one of the most beautiful resorts I have ever seen.
The people work hard for what they have.
They live in a socialist society there where everyone contributes back to the government which is suppose to equally disperse among the nation.
People have literally nothing there for the most part.
It intriqued me while driving from the airport to the resort watching people in the local villages so when I arrived at the resort I walked right back off of it and walked for 6 miles and I quickly realized that this simplistic "savage" life - as one British snob blond said, was actually a life that people appeared to be happy with.
Life seemed very simple but pleasant among the children, youth, and adults.
People obviously strive for more and there is more in a nation where the mega corporate empire above them has put down the movements of Cuba as a movement of the enemy.
While I don't agree with the socialist movement in the way it was designed in Cuba, I can agree that the hungry mothers, with little or no processions, living in grass shacks with 6 kids appear less stressed than the imperialists soccer mom with 1 kid stressing over those SUV and $1 million dollar suburb payments.
We need to reach a balance in North America where the chicken tastes great, the cellphones work well, and people live a little more simpler than we have been trying to do since WWII.
Make a year of military school mandatory for all children, shut down the local grocery store for a day in a normal week, provide people with access to the land like we once had, stop encouraging everyone to live in NYC, and just maybe people will realize what they already have and appreciate it a little more and stop stressing over wanting more, more, more.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Fast-food everything.</title>
	<author>sackvillian</author>
	<datestamp>1263318900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I think a lot of the problematic aspects of kids' lives that may be responsible for this effect come down to the fast-foodization of everything.  If you define fast food as the instantaneous satisfying of urges without satisfying the underlying <i>reasons</i> for those urges using shit we understand to be worthless.

</p><p>Constant connectedness provides the information that we crave, but so much of it and so cheaply that we don't place much value on much of it, including the stuff that actually affects us - how many people know more about international goings-on than local?

</p><p>Social media sites allow us a steady supply of the gossip and egotism we crave without the meaningful social relationships that we really need.  So many human relationships are now plagued by irony and an utter lack of sincerity

</p><p>Hours and hours of television and movies act similarly, quenching our interest in humankind and stories, but often in a eye-candy-filled, superficial way.

</p><p>Prescription and non-prescription drugs for absolutely every condition one can name, even conditions that are simply human nature.

</p><p>And obviously, fast foods (including junk food) please our taste buds but offer next to nothing in terms of nutrition.  The list goes on, ad nausem.  Good food, good (that are ideally physically present) friends, something challenging to labour on earnestly (while improving a skill or two), and a little relaxation does miracles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think a lot of the problematic aspects of kids ' lives that may be responsible for this effect come down to the fast-foodization of everything .
If you define fast food as the instantaneous satisfying of urges without satisfying the underlying reasons for those urges using shit we understand to be worthless .
Constant connectedness provides the information that we crave , but so much of it and so cheaply that we do n't place much value on much of it , including the stuff that actually affects us - how many people know more about international goings-on than local ?
Social media sites allow us a steady supply of the gossip and egotism we crave without the meaningful social relationships that we really need .
So many human relationships are now plagued by irony and an utter lack of sincerity Hours and hours of television and movies act similarly , quenching our interest in humankind and stories , but often in a eye-candy-filled , superficial way .
Prescription and non-prescription drugs for absolutely every condition one can name , even conditions that are simply human nature .
And obviously , fast foods ( including junk food ) please our taste buds but offer next to nothing in terms of nutrition .
The list goes on , ad nausem .
Good food , good ( that are ideally physically present ) friends , something challenging to labour on earnestly ( while improving a skill or two ) , and a little relaxation does miracles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think a lot of the problematic aspects of kids' lives that may be responsible for this effect come down to the fast-foodization of everything.
If you define fast food as the instantaneous satisfying of urges without satisfying the underlying reasons for those urges using shit we understand to be worthless.
Constant connectedness provides the information that we crave, but so much of it and so cheaply that we don't place much value on much of it, including the stuff that actually affects us - how many people know more about international goings-on than local?
Social media sites allow us a steady supply of the gossip and egotism we crave without the meaningful social relationships that we really need.
So many human relationships are now plagued by irony and an utter lack of sincerity

Hours and hours of television and movies act similarly, quenching our interest in humankind and stories, but often in a eye-candy-filled, superficial way.
Prescription and non-prescription drugs for absolutely every condition one can name, even conditions that are simply human nature.
And obviously, fast foods (including junk food) please our taste buds but offer next to nothing in terms of nutrition.
The list goes on, ad nausem.
Good food, good (that are ideally physically present) friends, something challenging to labour on earnestly (while improving a skill or two), and a little relaxation does miracles.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30738578</id>
	<title>What a useless comparison</title>
	<author>ActusReus</author>
	<datestamp>1263317280000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>You can't compare "polls" or "studies" from the 1930's to 2010 because definitions and attitudes have changed so dramatically during that timeframe.  For Christ's sake... <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labatomy" title="wikipedia.org">LABATOMIES</a> [wikipedia.org] were still a standard and mainstream mental health practice at that time!  Today pretty much anyone who's down in the dumps would say they feel "depressed", and anyone who is high-strung would say they experience "anxiety".  Eighty years ago, however, they would simply say they feel "sad", or "nervous".  It would be far less likely for them to REPORT such common feelings, and far less likely for the medical butchers of the time to label it as mental illness unless it were truly asylum-worthy.</p><p>It's preposterous to say that depression and anxiety are more prevalent today than during the Great Depression, and the worst war the planet has ever known.  The only thing more prevalent today is our willingness to label those states of mind as such.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't compare " polls " or " studies " from the 1930 's to 2010 because definitions and attitudes have changed so dramatically during that timeframe .
For Christ 's sake... LABATOMIES [ wikipedia.org ] were still a standard and mainstream mental health practice at that time !
Today pretty much anyone who 's down in the dumps would say they feel " depressed " , and anyone who is high-strung would say they experience " anxiety " .
Eighty years ago , however , they would simply say they feel " sad " , or " nervous " .
It would be far less likely for them to REPORT such common feelings , and far less likely for the medical butchers of the time to label it as mental illness unless it were truly asylum-worthy.It 's preposterous to say that depression and anxiety are more prevalent today than during the Great Depression , and the worst war the planet has ever known .
The only thing more prevalent today is our willingness to label those states of mind as such .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't compare "polls" or "studies" from the 1930's to 2010 because definitions and attitudes have changed so dramatically during that timeframe.
For Christ's sake... LABATOMIES [wikipedia.org] were still a standard and mainstream mental health practice at that time!
Today pretty much anyone who's down in the dumps would say they feel "depressed", and anyone who is high-strung would say they experience "anxiety".
Eighty years ago, however, they would simply say they feel "sad", or "nervous".
It would be far less likely for them to REPORT such common feelings, and far less likely for the medical butchers of the time to label it as mental illness unless it were truly asylum-worthy.It's preposterous to say that depression and anxiety are more prevalent today than during the Great Depression, and the worst war the planet has ever known.
The only thing more prevalent today is our willingness to label those states of mind as such.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30739014</id>
	<title>Dividing society</title>
	<author>ElusiveJoe</author>
	<datestamp>1263318720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hypomania and depression - looks like two opposite forces. Or more like two sides of the same coin. Although I live in Russia, I have a feeling this tendency apply to this country as well. What I write below is only my personal opinion on what's happening.</p><p>I think that society is dividing again, like in the Industrialization period, although this time it's not about wealth or power. It's about "spirit", if you pardon me this unscientific word. I can see two groups emerging (but it doesn't mean that these groups form all the generation).</p><p>One consists of super confident, narcissistic, healthy, social, hyper optimistic, sometimes ignorant and impudent people. In fact, optimism is their meaning of life, keep optimism at all costs. If something gives (or should give) you positive emotions - this is it, this is life. Share it with your community, the more "positiv" (Russian word) you share, the more valuable you become. If something is sad, disturbing or just complicated - filter it, censor it, ignore it or become an exile. Their motto could be: the world is yours to play, you&rsquo;re the best.</p><p>The second group represents highly unconfident, depressed, unhealthy, society avoiding, sometimes violent and reluctant people. They feel they cannot live to modern standards. They think something is seriously wrong with them and they are obsessed with finding what is wrong with them instead of living. The world is hostile, they believe they have to strain themselves and plan everything ahead in order to survive.  But the more they tighten their grip and the more planning they do, the less control they have, becoming like broken robots.</p><p>I have no idea what reasons might be leading to this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hypomania and depression - looks like two opposite forces .
Or more like two sides of the same coin .
Although I live in Russia , I have a feeling this tendency apply to this country as well .
What I write below is only my personal opinion on what 's happening.I think that society is dividing again , like in the Industrialization period , although this time it 's not about wealth or power .
It 's about " spirit " , if you pardon me this unscientific word .
I can see two groups emerging ( but it does n't mean that these groups form all the generation ) .One consists of super confident , narcissistic , healthy , social , hyper optimistic , sometimes ignorant and impudent people .
In fact , optimism is their meaning of life , keep optimism at all costs .
If something gives ( or should give ) you positive emotions - this is it , this is life .
Share it with your community , the more " positiv " ( Russian word ) you share , the more valuable you become .
If something is sad , disturbing or just complicated - filter it , censor it , ignore it or become an exile .
Their motto could be : the world is yours to play , you    re the best.The second group represents highly unconfident , depressed , unhealthy , society avoiding , sometimes violent and reluctant people .
They feel they can not live to modern standards .
They think something is seriously wrong with them and they are obsessed with finding what is wrong with them instead of living .
The world is hostile , they believe they have to strain themselves and plan everything ahead in order to survive .
But the more they tighten their grip and the more planning they do , the less control they have , becoming like broken robots.I have no idea what reasons might be leading to this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hypomania and depression - looks like two opposite forces.
Or more like two sides of the same coin.
Although I live in Russia, I have a feeling this tendency apply to this country as well.
What I write below is only my personal opinion on what's happening.I think that society is dividing again, like in the Industrialization period, although this time it's not about wealth or power.
It's about "spirit", if you pardon me this unscientific word.
I can see two groups emerging (but it doesn't mean that these groups form all the generation).One consists of super confident, narcissistic, healthy, social, hyper optimistic, sometimes ignorant and impudent people.
In fact, optimism is their meaning of life, keep optimism at all costs.
If something gives (or should give) you positive emotions - this is it, this is life.
Share it with your community, the more "positiv" (Russian word) you share, the more valuable you become.
If something is sad, disturbing or just complicated - filter it, censor it, ignore it or become an exile.
Their motto could be: the world is yours to play, you’re the best.The second group represents highly unconfident, depressed, unhealthy, society avoiding, sometimes violent and reluctant people.
They feel they cannot live to modern standards.
They think something is seriously wrong with them and they are obsessed with finding what is wrong with them instead of living.
The world is hostile, they believe they have to strain themselves and plan everything ahead in order to survive.
But the more they tighten their grip and the more planning they do, the less control they have, becoming like broken robots.I have no idea what reasons might be leading to this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30737078</id>
	<title>I'm sure it has nothing to do with Big Pharma</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263311640000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I'm sure that the increase in number of youth diagnosed with serious mental health issues has <em>absolutely nothing</em> to do with Big Pharma selling drugs that can cure any disease. Well, treat any disease. There's no money to be made in <em>curing</em> diseases, you want something like a nice vague mental disorder - with a completely subjective diagnosis - which you can sell pills to treat to people for the rest of their lives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure that the increase in number of youth diagnosed with serious mental health issues has absolutely nothing to do with Big Pharma selling drugs that can cure any disease .
Well , treat any disease .
There 's no money to be made in curing diseases , you want something like a nice vague mental disorder - with a completely subjective diagnosis - which you can sell pills to treat to people for the rest of their lives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure that the increase in number of youth diagnosed with serious mental health issues has absolutely nothing to do with Big Pharma selling drugs that can cure any disease.
Well, treat any disease.
There's no money to be made in curing diseases, you want something like a nice vague mental disorder - with a completely subjective diagnosis - which you can sell pills to treat to people for the rest of their lives.</sentencetext>
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	<title>"Orchid Children"</title>
	<author>RevWaldo</author>
	<datestamp>1263313680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
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	<htmltext>An <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/print/200912/dobbs-orchid-gene" title="theatlantic.com">interesting article from The Atlantic</a> [theatlantic.com] discusses a new view of children with genetic dispositions to "flawed" personality traits, such as ADHD. Much of it is based on a long-term study of a captive colony of rhesus monkeys.<br> <br>
In the barest of nutshells: while many children are like dandelions, and could survive and even prosper in any environment (poor, lousy parents, bad schools, etc.), others are like orchids. Raised in the wrong environment they become screw-ups. Raised in the right environment they thrive, and the traits that are considered flaws become strengths, even allowing them success beyond their dandelion brethren. <br> <br>
A good read even if you think they're wrong. One nice takeaway from the rhesus monkey study: in the long run, bullies never win.</htmltext>
<tokenext>An interesting article from The Atlantic [ theatlantic.com ] discusses a new view of children with genetic dispositions to " flawed " personality traits , such as ADHD .
Much of it is based on a long-term study of a captive colony of rhesus monkeys .
In the barest of nutshells : while many children are like dandelions , and could survive and even prosper in any environment ( poor , lousy parents , bad schools , etc .
) , others are like orchids .
Raised in the wrong environment they become screw-ups .
Raised in the right environment they thrive , and the traits that are considered flaws become strengths , even allowing them success beyond their dandelion brethren .
A good read even if you think they 're wrong .
One nice takeaway from the rhesus monkey study : in the long run , bullies never win .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An interesting article from The Atlantic [theatlantic.com] discusses a new view of children with genetic dispositions to "flawed" personality traits, such as ADHD.
Much of it is based on a long-term study of a captive colony of rhesus monkeys.
In the barest of nutshells: while many children are like dandelions, and could survive and even prosper in any environment (poor, lousy parents, bad schools, etc.
), others are like orchids.
Raised in the wrong environment they become screw-ups.
Raised in the right environment they thrive, and the traits that are considered flaws become strengths, even allowing them success beyond their dandelion brethren.
A good read even if you think they're wrong.
One nice takeaway from the rhesus monkey study: in the long run, bullies never win.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30742538</id>
	<title>A triumph of pharmacology!</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1263289860000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Today's kids are medicated more than any other generation in history, and yet, by high school, they have worse mental health than any other generation in history! Obviously, we're not giving these kids enough drugs!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Today 's kids are medicated more than any other generation in history , and yet , by high school , they have worse mental health than any other generation in history !
Obviously , we 're not giving these kids enough drugs !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Today's kids are medicated more than any other generation in history, and yet, by high school, they have worse mental health than any other generation in history!
Obviously, we're not giving these kids enough drugs!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30737640</id>
	<title>you americans are f*ck-d up,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263313920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>neo-fascism at work, besides being screwed by own government now becoming cows of the farma-corporate - between others - that's the price you pay for living the brain-washing dream of the american life,<br>they wanted you as oxes - now they have you.<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>neo-fascism at work , besides being screwed by own government now becoming cows of the farma-corporate - between others - that 's the price you pay for living the brain-washing dream of the american life,they wanted you as oxes - now they have you .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>neo-fascism at work, besides being screwed by own government now becoming cows of the farma-corporate - between others - that's the price you pay for living the brain-washing dream of the american life,they wanted you as oxes - now they have you.
 </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30752530</id>
	<title>Wrist Cutter Music</title>
	<author>stewbacca</author>
	<datestamp>1263406080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I blame AFI and the rest of the wimp-ass wrist cutters, not the economy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I blame AFI and the rest of the wimp-ass wrist cutters , not the economy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I blame AFI and the rest of the wimp-ass wrist cutters, not the economy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30740862</id>
	<title>Re:Some really desolate lawns</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263325440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>One of the things I find most annoying about Slashdot is the knee-jerk reflex some people have to respond to any unflattering comparison of the present day to some time in the past with, "Get off my lawn!" Yet strangely, when such mockery is genuinely appropriate in response to most of the comments here, it's nowhere to be seen.</p></div></blockquote><p>Are you suggesting that the Slashdot demographic is not the most obvious source for parenting advice? Preposterous! What parent wouldn't want to the hear the insights from a crowd of fat loosers sitting in their mother's basement all day, living off burritos and soda??</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the things I find most annoying about Slashdot is the knee-jerk reflex some people have to respond to any unflattering comparison of the present day to some time in the past with , " Get off my lawn !
" Yet strangely , when such mockery is genuinely appropriate in response to most of the comments here , it 's nowhere to be seen.Are you suggesting that the Slashdot demographic is not the most obvious source for parenting advice ?
Preposterous ! What parent would n't want to the hear the insights from a crowd of fat loosers sitting in their mother 's basement all day , living off burritos and soda ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the things I find most annoying about Slashdot is the knee-jerk reflex some people have to respond to any unflattering comparison of the present day to some time in the past with, "Get off my lawn!
" Yet strangely, when such mockery is genuinely appropriate in response to most of the comments here, it's nowhere to be seen.Are you suggesting that the Slashdot demographic is not the most obvious source for parenting advice?
Preposterous! What parent wouldn't want to the hear the insights from a crowd of fat loosers sitting in their mother's basement all day, living off burritos and soda?
?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30743690</id>
	<title>Yep, Our Generation, the Worst Yet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263295440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Give me a break. I am 23 years old. I was born in the 80's and went to college in the latter half of the 2000's. I just completed my Bachelor's degree a year and a half ago. Most of my friends are still in college or are just now graduating. I am a part of this generation that the study seems to declare as having serious mental health problems. I call bullshit. But, as another poster pointed out, some other psychologists have also called bullshit on this study and it seems, at best, to be a semi-accurate or maybe best guess look at the mental faculties of my generation.
<br> <br>
So, instead of wasting my time typing a rebuke to study created by self-reported statistics, I am going to waste my time rebuking half of the old crotchety wanks that have declared my generation, my peers, to be a bunch of narcissistic, incompetent, entitled, whiny brats. To each and every one of you old fogies that are so convinced that everything wrong with our generation comes from bad parenting and a lack of hardship and what not, let me ask you, "How many folk below the age of 25 or so do you spend time with on a daily basis? As a peer?"
<br> <br>
Honestly, to all of you who are bemoaning my generation, answer me that question. I would wager that very few of you actually work on a daily basis with folk my age or younger. I, personally, hang out with people my age and younger every day. I don't spend time with them trying to teach them. I don't spend time with them judging them. I spend time hanging out with them, meeting them, getting to know them, laughing, crying, fighting, and working together with them. And you know what? My anecdote says that we are a pretty damned impressive lot of individuals. We face difficult challenges every day, for instance: "Should I continue working on this paper that is due in four hours or should I eat? Well, I haven't eaten since yesterday, but if I don't finish this paper and crash my grade, it will cost me another semester of school and another $15,000. Yeah, I can skip meals for another day, I am not starving yet."
<br> <br>
Or my favorite one. For those of us that are competent and happy and fed and living peacefully, how about all of the in-your-face, "What are you doing to save these starving children in Abu Dhabi? Or save those dogs that are being beaten to death by drug peddling masters? Or, why aren't you trying to save the world from Global Warming, Darfur evil people, zombie H1N1 flu, etc etc etc.?" In other words, even when kids in my generation get to the point where they are comfortable and supporting themselves, we are not allowed any peace. Rather we are guilted into thinking that unless we are saving the world every waking minute, we are horribly corrupt evil bastards that deserve fire and brimstone. Yup, that's easy to cope with, just stop sleeping and enjoying any free time, then you will be a good person.
<br> <br>
Of course that's not all. We also have to face the constant question as to whether or not our genitals, and any attention we give them, will be our black ticket to hell for eternity. And don't think that question remains in the realm of the church goers. No, now those zealous asshats are on the streets telling me that I am a sinner and will burn a fiery death for looking at the blonde walking by. So what do I do? Should I punch the doofus in the face for being an asshole? Nah, then I get arrested for assault, labeled as a felony committer for life, and raped for the next 3-5 in prison.
<br> <br>
This leads me to my next point. Even if we see something wrong with our environment, there is a legitimate chance that whatever we do to workaround said concern will come with punishments like unpayable financial burdens or a few years of getting our asses beat up and down the cell block because we just had to deal with some business. Yup, that's fair, create a world in which 90\% of the stuff that is the most 'in-your-face' sucks, and then punish us for trying to change anything.
<br> <br>
So what am I getting at? Am I just whining that oh we have it so much harder than anyone seems to</htmltext>
<tokenext>Give me a break .
I am 23 years old .
I was born in the 80 's and went to college in the latter half of the 2000 's .
I just completed my Bachelor 's degree a year and a half ago .
Most of my friends are still in college or are just now graduating .
I am a part of this generation that the study seems to declare as having serious mental health problems .
I call bullshit .
But , as another poster pointed out , some other psychologists have also called bullshit on this study and it seems , at best , to be a semi-accurate or maybe best guess look at the mental faculties of my generation .
So , instead of wasting my time typing a rebuke to study created by self-reported statistics , I am going to waste my time rebuking half of the old crotchety wanks that have declared my generation , my peers , to be a bunch of narcissistic , incompetent , entitled , whiny brats .
To each and every one of you old fogies that are so convinced that everything wrong with our generation comes from bad parenting and a lack of hardship and what not , let me ask you , " How many folk below the age of 25 or so do you spend time with on a daily basis ?
As a peer ?
" Honestly , to all of you who are bemoaning my generation , answer me that question .
I would wager that very few of you actually work on a daily basis with folk my age or younger .
I , personally , hang out with people my age and younger every day .
I do n't spend time with them trying to teach them .
I do n't spend time with them judging them .
I spend time hanging out with them , meeting them , getting to know them , laughing , crying , fighting , and working together with them .
And you know what ?
My anecdote says that we are a pretty damned impressive lot of individuals .
We face difficult challenges every day , for instance : " Should I continue working on this paper that is due in four hours or should I eat ?
Well , I have n't eaten since yesterday , but if I do n't finish this paper and crash my grade , it will cost me another semester of school and another $ 15,000 .
Yeah , I can skip meals for another day , I am not starving yet .
" Or my favorite one .
For those of us that are competent and happy and fed and living peacefully , how about all of the in-your-face , " What are you doing to save these starving children in Abu Dhabi ?
Or save those dogs that are being beaten to death by drug peddling masters ?
Or , why are n't you trying to save the world from Global Warming , Darfur evil people , zombie H1N1 flu , etc etc etc. ?
" In other words , even when kids in my generation get to the point where they are comfortable and supporting themselves , we are not allowed any peace .
Rather we are guilted into thinking that unless we are saving the world every waking minute , we are horribly corrupt evil bastards that deserve fire and brimstone .
Yup , that 's easy to cope with , just stop sleeping and enjoying any free time , then you will be a good person .
Of course that 's not all .
We also have to face the constant question as to whether or not our genitals , and any attention we give them , will be our black ticket to hell for eternity .
And do n't think that question remains in the realm of the church goers .
No , now those zealous asshats are on the streets telling me that I am a sinner and will burn a fiery death for looking at the blonde walking by .
So what do I do ?
Should I punch the doofus in the face for being an asshole ?
Nah , then I get arrested for assault , labeled as a felony committer for life , and raped for the next 3-5 in prison .
This leads me to my next point .
Even if we see something wrong with our environment , there is a legitimate chance that whatever we do to workaround said concern will come with punishments like unpayable financial burdens or a few years of getting our asses beat up and down the cell block because we just had to deal with some business .
Yup , that 's fair , create a world in which 90 \ % of the stuff that is the most 'in-your-face ' sucks , and then punish us for trying to change anything .
So what am I getting at ?
Am I just whining that oh we have it so much harder than anyone seems to</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Give me a break.
I am 23 years old.
I was born in the 80's and went to college in the latter half of the 2000's.
I just completed my Bachelor's degree a year and a half ago.
Most of my friends are still in college or are just now graduating.
I am a part of this generation that the study seems to declare as having serious mental health problems.
I call bullshit.
But, as another poster pointed out, some other psychologists have also called bullshit on this study and it seems, at best, to be a semi-accurate or maybe best guess look at the mental faculties of my generation.
So, instead of wasting my time typing a rebuke to study created by self-reported statistics, I am going to waste my time rebuking half of the old crotchety wanks that have declared my generation, my peers, to be a bunch of narcissistic, incompetent, entitled, whiny brats.
To each and every one of you old fogies that are so convinced that everything wrong with our generation comes from bad parenting and a lack of hardship and what not, let me ask you, "How many folk below the age of 25 or so do you spend time with on a daily basis?
As a peer?
"
 
Honestly, to all of you who are bemoaning my generation, answer me that question.
I would wager that very few of you actually work on a daily basis with folk my age or younger.
I, personally, hang out with people my age and younger every day.
I don't spend time with them trying to teach them.
I don't spend time with them judging them.
I spend time hanging out with them, meeting them, getting to know them, laughing, crying, fighting, and working together with them.
And you know what?
My anecdote says that we are a pretty damned impressive lot of individuals.
We face difficult challenges every day, for instance: "Should I continue working on this paper that is due in four hours or should I eat?
Well, I haven't eaten since yesterday, but if I don't finish this paper and crash my grade, it will cost me another semester of school and another $15,000.
Yeah, I can skip meals for another day, I am not starving yet.
"
 
Or my favorite one.
For those of us that are competent and happy and fed and living peacefully, how about all of the in-your-face, "What are you doing to save these starving children in Abu Dhabi?
Or save those dogs that are being beaten to death by drug peddling masters?
Or, why aren't you trying to save the world from Global Warming, Darfur evil people, zombie H1N1 flu, etc etc etc.?
" In other words, even when kids in my generation get to the point where they are comfortable and supporting themselves, we are not allowed any peace.
Rather we are guilted into thinking that unless we are saving the world every waking minute, we are horribly corrupt evil bastards that deserve fire and brimstone.
Yup, that's easy to cope with, just stop sleeping and enjoying any free time, then you will be a good person.
Of course that's not all.
We also have to face the constant question as to whether or not our genitals, and any attention we give them, will be our black ticket to hell for eternity.
And don't think that question remains in the realm of the church goers.
No, now those zealous asshats are on the streets telling me that I am a sinner and will burn a fiery death for looking at the blonde walking by.
So what do I do?
Should I punch the doofus in the face for being an asshole?
Nah, then I get arrested for assault, labeled as a felony committer for life, and raped for the next 3-5 in prison.
This leads me to my next point.
Even if we see something wrong with our environment, there is a legitimate chance that whatever we do to workaround said concern will come with punishments like unpayable financial burdens or a few years of getting our asses beat up and down the cell block because we just had to deal with some business.
Yup, that's fair, create a world in which 90\% of the stuff that is the most 'in-your-face' sucks, and then punish us for trying to change anything.
So what am I getting at?
Am I just whining that oh we have it so much harder than anyone seems to</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30738844</id>
	<title>American kids have mental issues?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263318120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone who has watched Jerry Springer knows that, and you know where we got it? We inherited it from our parents.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone who has watched Jerry Springer knows that , and you know where we got it ?
We inherited it from our parents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone who has watched Jerry Springer knows that, and you know where we got it?
We inherited it from our parents.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30739056</id>
	<title>Context in which data were gathered</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263318840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Conditions such as hypomania were poorly, if at all, defined during the great depression and diagnoses of such conditions would assumedly be relatively low as compared to today. Don't sensationalize the results, look at what context the data are in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Conditions such as hypomania were poorly , if at all , defined during the great depression and diagnoses of such conditions would assumedly be relatively low as compared to today .
Do n't sensationalize the results , look at what context the data are in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Conditions such as hypomania were poorly, if at all, defined during the great depression and diagnoses of such conditions would assumedly be relatively low as compared to today.
Don't sensationalize the results, look at what context the data are in.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30738010</id>
	<title>Lack of sleep</title>
	<author>LordSnooty</author>
	<datestamp>1263315360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Could it be due to lack of sleep? Recent studies suggest a link. <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life\_and\_style/health/child\_health/article6916053.ece" title="timesonline.co.uk">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life\_and\_style/health/child\_health/article6916053.ece</a> [timesonline.co.uk]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could it be due to lack of sleep ?
Recent studies suggest a link .
http : //www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life \ _and \ _style/health/child \ _health/article6916053.ece [ timesonline.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could it be due to lack of sleep?
Recent studies suggest a link.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life\_and\_style/health/child\_health/article6916053.ece [timesonline.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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	<title>This is any different from adults?</title>
	<author>Drethon</author>
	<datestamp>1263311400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Between getting laid off then working a contract plus overtime with no benefits (most importaintly health insurance) and taking two code project heavy graduate classes my sanity has been on edge lately.<br>
<br>
There is a lot of stress when you are competing to work towards the top levels of your fiel as you have to work very hard or be very smart to be noticed among a large group of very smart people.<br>
<br>
I've read that there is less stress when you are just working what ever odd jobs come your way instead of pushing to be at a higher level.  Is this true or are these articles (and as a result now me) talking out of their a$$.<br>
(I am probably middle or upper middle class)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Between getting laid off then working a contract plus overtime with no benefits ( most importaintly health insurance ) and taking two code project heavy graduate classes my sanity has been on edge lately .
There is a lot of stress when you are competing to work towards the top levels of your fiel as you have to work very hard or be very smart to be noticed among a large group of very smart people .
I 've read that there is less stress when you are just working what ever odd jobs come your way instead of pushing to be at a higher level .
Is this true or are these articles ( and as a result now me ) talking out of their a $ $ .
( I am probably middle or upper middle class )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Between getting laid off then working a contract plus overtime with no benefits (most importaintly health insurance) and taking two code project heavy graduate classes my sanity has been on edge lately.
There is a lot of stress when you are competing to work towards the top levels of your fiel as you have to work very hard or be very smart to be noticed among a large group of very smart people.
I've read that there is less stress when you are just working what ever odd jobs come your way instead of pushing to be at a higher level.
Is this true or are these articles (and as a result now me) talking out of their a$$.
(I am probably middle or upper middle class)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30748840</id>
	<title>Re:Information Anxiety is the new ADD.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263385380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Welcome to the year 2000 (er, 2010) and meet your new friend Information Anxiety.  I'm 30 years old and I feel it.  I constantly feel like I need to keep up with news, this and that, hobbies and interests that are fueled by easy access to information on the internet, social networking, friends, internet friends, real life friends that I only really see on the internet these days.  Now compound all of that into a teenager's mind along with high school pressures, school work, trying to find themselves, hormones and being awkward, the opposite sex (or even harder yet, maybe the same sex), etc.</p><p>100 years ago, our main concerns were food, shelter, and family.  These are second thoughts for many these days.  I recently quit social networking for half a year and it was one of the best things I've ever done for myself.</p></div><p>I moved recently (one week ago) and did not get around to set up my private computer stuff yet (the stove&amp;kitchen does take precedence...), and the phone company takes it time, therefore there is no Internet via laptop. I have the best time of my life since the last... 10 years? I spend my evenings listening to the radio (there are still good [publicly funded] stations here in Germany) and actually reading those books that accumulated during the last years. Or toying with small handiworks. Or just thinking about things.</p><p>In retrospect, I slipped into an almost exclusive consumption of "new media" (games, Internet, "News") at the expense of the "old media" in my early teens (12-15). Checking "the News" (while there is rarely anything actually *new*), playing "the next great game", etc. became a rather deeply rooted habit. I am even toying with the thought that the - back then emphatically refused - strange idea of (former) adults that children's minds and certain characteristics/habits are to significant part shaped by their surroundings holds some merit, and that while the Internet and games have given me quite a lot of ideas/perspectives, they have also blinded me to other, equally valuable ones.</p><p>And I am suddenly very happy that many of those antiquated (theater, radio, books, etc.) have not yet been sucked into "the cloud"...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to the year 2000 ( er , 2010 ) and meet your new friend Information Anxiety .
I 'm 30 years old and I feel it .
I constantly feel like I need to keep up with news , this and that , hobbies and interests that are fueled by easy access to information on the internet , social networking , friends , internet friends , real life friends that I only really see on the internet these days .
Now compound all of that into a teenager 's mind along with high school pressures , school work , trying to find themselves , hormones and being awkward , the opposite sex ( or even harder yet , maybe the same sex ) , etc.100 years ago , our main concerns were food , shelter , and family .
These are second thoughts for many these days .
I recently quit social networking for half a year and it was one of the best things I 've ever done for myself.I moved recently ( one week ago ) and did not get around to set up my private computer stuff yet ( the stove&amp;kitchen does take precedence... ) , and the phone company takes it time , therefore there is no Internet via laptop .
I have the best time of my life since the last... 10 years ?
I spend my evenings listening to the radio ( there are still good [ publicly funded ] stations here in Germany ) and actually reading those books that accumulated during the last years .
Or toying with small handiworks .
Or just thinking about things.In retrospect , I slipped into an almost exclusive consumption of " new media " ( games , Internet , " News " ) at the expense of the " old media " in my early teens ( 12-15 ) .
Checking " the News " ( while there is rarely anything actually * new * ) , playing " the next great game " , etc .
became a rather deeply rooted habit .
I am even toying with the thought that the - back then emphatically refused - strange idea of ( former ) adults that children 's minds and certain characteristics/habits are to significant part shaped by their surroundings holds some merit , and that while the Internet and games have given me quite a lot of ideas/perspectives , they have also blinded me to other , equally valuable ones.And I am suddenly very happy that many of those antiquated ( theater , radio , books , etc .
) have not yet been sucked into " the cloud " .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to the year 2000 (er, 2010) and meet your new friend Information Anxiety.
I'm 30 years old and I feel it.
I constantly feel like I need to keep up with news, this and that, hobbies and interests that are fueled by easy access to information on the internet, social networking, friends, internet friends, real life friends that I only really see on the internet these days.
Now compound all of that into a teenager's mind along with high school pressures, school work, trying to find themselves, hormones and being awkward, the opposite sex (or even harder yet, maybe the same sex), etc.100 years ago, our main concerns were food, shelter, and family.
These are second thoughts for many these days.
I recently quit social networking for half a year and it was one of the best things I've ever done for myself.I moved recently (one week ago) and did not get around to set up my private computer stuff yet (the stove&amp;kitchen does take precedence...), and the phone company takes it time, therefore there is no Internet via laptop.
I have the best time of my life since the last... 10 years?
I spend my evenings listening to the radio (there are still good [publicly funded] stations here in Germany) and actually reading those books that accumulated during the last years.
Or toying with small handiworks.
Or just thinking about things.In retrospect, I slipped into an almost exclusive consumption of "new media" (games, Internet, "News") at the expense of the "old media" in my early teens (12-15).
Checking "the News" (while there is rarely anything actually *new*), playing "the next great game", etc.
became a rather deeply rooted habit.
I am even toying with the thought that the - back then emphatically refused - strange idea of (former) adults that children's minds and certain characteristics/habits are to significant part shaped by their surroundings holds some merit, and that while the Internet and games have given me quite a lot of ideas/perspectives, they have also blinded me to other, equally valuable ones.And I am suddenly very happy that many of those antiquated (theater, radio, books, etc.
) have not yet been sucked into "the cloud"...
	</sentencetext>
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	<title>Charles Manson said it best</title>
	<author>Kitkoan</author>
	<datestamp>1263322380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."

On a more serious note, I think a big part of the issues isn't that they are being more crazy then there is just a bigger list of mental issues to choose from, and people wanting to pidgin hole any personality quirk as some form of mental disorder. A child isn't just full of energy anymore, they've got a form of ADD. They aren't exhausted or felt put upon by impossibly high expectations, they are depressed or suffering from some other disorder. This is further made into problems with so many drug company's hawking a pill to cure whatever ails your child. A form of Aldous Huxley's 'Brave New World' with everyone taking a pill, but instead of it being the single pill Soma it's a more type of 'personalized' pill to as one song put it "A pill to make you numb,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..., a pill to make you anybody else'.
We are reaching a point that if you or your parents don't like you for who you are with negative personality issues then they can almost trade the core of who you are for a prescription to making you someone else. Tired a lot? Take a stimulate to make your child a more active one. How about too much energy? Are they too much for you to control and distracting you from doing whatever else you want to do? Try something like Ritalin so you can go back to whatever you want to do. Parents are given offers to help make raising a child more of a state of existance then a process done over time without thought to what it will cause in the future, but then again when those new problems happen there are some OTHER pills to help with those problems too.
And lets not forget options of a form of mental illness hypochondriac within the child because mommy and daddy told them too many times that this is truly what they have and this is what they've been told it does and even though it's not the child's fault that they have these issues, they still believe deep down they do since mommy and daddy said it was and promised me the problem quirks would go away if I just keep taking those pills.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" You know , a long time ago being crazy meant something .
Nowadays everybody 's crazy .
" On a more serious note , I think a big part of the issues is n't that they are being more crazy then there is just a bigger list of mental issues to choose from , and people wanting to pidgin hole any personality quirk as some form of mental disorder .
A child is n't just full of energy anymore , they 've got a form of ADD .
They are n't exhausted or felt put upon by impossibly high expectations , they are depressed or suffering from some other disorder .
This is further made into problems with so many drug company 's hawking a pill to cure whatever ails your child .
A form of Aldous Huxley 's 'Brave New World ' with everyone taking a pill , but instead of it being the single pill Soma it 's a more type of 'personalized ' pill to as one song put it " A pill to make you numb , ... , a pill to make you anybody else' .
We are reaching a point that if you or your parents do n't like you for who you are with negative personality issues then they can almost trade the core of who you are for a prescription to making you someone else .
Tired a lot ?
Take a stimulate to make your child a more active one .
How about too much energy ?
Are they too much for you to control and distracting you from doing whatever else you want to do ?
Try something like Ritalin so you can go back to whatever you want to do .
Parents are given offers to help make raising a child more of a state of existance then a process done over time without thought to what it will cause in the future , but then again when those new problems happen there are some OTHER pills to help with those problems too .
And lets not forget options of a form of mental illness hypochondriac within the child because mommy and daddy told them too many times that this is truly what they have and this is what they 've been told it does and even though it 's not the child 's fault that they have these issues , they still believe deep down they do since mommy and daddy said it was and promised me the problem quirks would go away if I just keep taking those pills .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something.
Nowadays everybody's crazy.
"

On a more serious note, I think a big part of the issues isn't that they are being more crazy then there is just a bigger list of mental issues to choose from, and people wanting to pidgin hole any personality quirk as some form of mental disorder.
A child isn't just full of energy anymore, they've got a form of ADD.
They aren't exhausted or felt put upon by impossibly high expectations, they are depressed or suffering from some other disorder.
This is further made into problems with so many drug company's hawking a pill to cure whatever ails your child.
A form of Aldous Huxley's 'Brave New World' with everyone taking a pill, but instead of it being the single pill Soma it's a more type of 'personalized' pill to as one song put it "A pill to make you numb, ..., a pill to make you anybody else'.
We are reaching a point that if you or your parents don't like you for who you are with negative personality issues then they can almost trade the core of who you are for a prescription to making you someone else.
Tired a lot?
Take a stimulate to make your child a more active one.
How about too much energy?
Are they too much for you to control and distracting you from doing whatever else you want to do?
Try something like Ritalin so you can go back to whatever you want to do.
Parents are given offers to help make raising a child more of a state of existance then a process done over time without thought to what it will cause in the future, but then again when those new problems happen there are some OTHER pills to help with those problems too.
And lets not forget options of a form of mental illness hypochondriac within the child because mommy and daddy told them too many times that this is truly what they have and this is what they've been told it does and even though it's not the child's fault that they have these issues, they still believe deep down they do since mommy and daddy said it was and promised me the problem quirks would go away if I just keep taking those pills.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Finally an explanation....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263313440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...of how Obama got into the white house.</p><p>Rest comfortably tonight folks - with 1 eye open if you have a teenager in the house.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...of how Obama got into the white house.Rest comfortably tonight folks - with 1 eye open if you have a teenager in the house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...of how Obama got into the white house.Rest comfortably tonight folks - with 1 eye open if you have a teenager in the house.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1337235.30737212</id>
	<title>Every generation thinks the kids are nuts</title>
	<author>SlappyBastard</author>
	<datestamp>1263312120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>We just now have entire industries backed by science to prove it!  Haha!</htmltext>
<tokenext>We just now have entire industries backed by science to prove it !
Haha !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We just now have entire industries backed by science to prove it!
Haha!</sentencetext>
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