<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_11_163222</id>
	<title>Here We Go Again &mdash; Video Standards War 2010</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1263231960000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Andy Updegrove writes <i>"Think of the words 'standards war,' and if you're of a certain age you're likely to think of the battle between the Betamax and VHS video tape formats. Fast forward, and you'll recall we just finished another video standards war between most of the same companies, this time between HD DVD and Blu-ray.  Well, here we go again, except this time its the <a href="http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=2010010916540469">movie studios that are duking it out</a>, and DRM issues are a big part of it.  On the one side are five of the six major studios, dozens of cable, hardware, software, distribution and device vendors, and on the other side there's just Disney &mdash; and maybe Apple as well, and that's enough to have the other side worried."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Andy Updegrove writes " Think of the words 'standards war, ' and if you 're of a certain age you 're likely to think of the battle between the Betamax and VHS video tape formats .
Fast forward , and you 'll recall we just finished another video standards war between most of the same companies , this time between HD DVD and Blu-ray .
Well , here we go again , except this time its the movie studios that are duking it out , and DRM issues are a big part of it .
On the one side are five of the six major studios , dozens of cable , hardware , software , distribution and device vendors , and on the other side there 's just Disney    and maybe Apple as well , and that 's enough to have the other side worried .
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<sentencetext>Andy Updegrove writes "Think of the words 'standards war,' and if you're of a certain age you're likely to think of the battle between the Betamax and VHS video tape formats.
Fast forward, and you'll recall we just finished another video standards war between most of the same companies, this time between HD DVD and Blu-ray.
Well, here we go again, except this time its the movie studios that are duking it out, and DRM issues are a big part of it.
On the one side are five of the six major studios, dozens of cable, hardware, software, distribution and device vendors, and on the other side there's just Disney — and maybe Apple as well, and that's enough to have the other side worried.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726056</id>
	<title>Re:Slave to the server</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1263238560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Firefox on Linux drags along at a speed slow enough for you to think someone is intentionally sabotaging it.</p></div></blockquote><p>Resign code the distribute to themselves?</p><p>There are several layers of protection in Windows Update, multiple SSL certificates have to be validated.  Any of which can be revoked at a moments notice, and since you have to be online to update, you know a CRL check is going to work.</p><p>Contrary to popular belief, some people at MS do have a clue.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Firefox on Linux drags along at a speed slow enough for you to think someone is intentionally sabotaging it.Resign code the distribute to themselves ? There are several layers of protection in Windows Update , multiple SSL certificates have to be validated .
Any of which can be revoked at a moments notice , and since you have to be online to update , you know a CRL check is going to work.Contrary to popular belief , some people at MS do have a clue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Firefox on Linux drags along at a speed slow enough for you to think someone is intentionally sabotaging it.Resign code the distribute to themselves?There are several layers of protection in Windows Update, multiple SSL certificates have to be validated.
Any of which can be revoked at a moments notice, and since you have to be online to update, you know a CRL check is going to work.Contrary to popular belief, some people at MS do have a clue.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726566</id>
	<title>Re:And the winner is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263240660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since I clearly remember renting full-length movies on Betamax, I feel the need correct you: with Beta II and Beta III, recording time maxed out at 5 hours.</p><p>Granted, VHS was always a step ahead with recording time. And there were plenty of other factors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since I clearly remember renting full-length movies on Betamax , I feel the need correct you : with Beta II and Beta III , recording time maxed out at 5 hours.Granted , VHS was always a step ahead with recording time .
And there were plenty of other factors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since I clearly remember renting full-length movies on Betamax, I feel the need correct you: with Beta II and Beta III, recording time maxed out at 5 hours.Granted, VHS was always a step ahead with recording time.
And there were plenty of other factors.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726594</id>
	<title>Ogg</title>
	<author>dandart</author>
	<datestamp>1263240780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ogg is the only video standard we need. It's nice, it works and it's open. We might as well throw everything else out. Unless we come out with a better quality, smaller open codec. In which case we should use that. And scrap ogg. Come on, the media moves fast!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ogg is the only video standard we need .
It 's nice , it works and it 's open .
We might as well throw everything else out .
Unless we come out with a better quality , smaller open codec .
In which case we should use that .
And scrap ogg .
Come on , the media moves fast !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ogg is the only video standard we need.
It's nice, it works and it's open.
We might as well throw everything else out.
Unless we come out with a better quality, smaller open codec.
In which case we should use that.
And scrap ogg.
Come on, the media moves fast!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725492</id>
	<title>Thanks but no thanks.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263235740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><br> <i>[T]his time its the movie studios that are duking it out, and DRM
issues is a big part of it.</i> <br> <br>I tend to prefer those video
standards which are inclusive and unencumbered such as xvid and x264.
They've survived.  Our library, some of which is many years old, still
plays.  <br> <br> No central server to authorize and track our viewing
habits.  No chance of having my devices' keys revoked.  No need to keep all
our gear connected to the net.<br> <br>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ T ] his time its the movie studios that are duking it out , and DRM issues is a big part of it .
I tend to prefer those video standards which are inclusive and unencumbered such as xvid and x264 .
They 've survived .
Our library , some of which is many years old , still plays .
No central server to authorize and track our viewing habits .
No chance of having my devices ' keys revoked .
No need to keep all our gear connected to the net .
.</tokentext>
<sentencetext> [T]his time its the movie studios that are duking it out, and DRM
issues is a big part of it.
I tend to prefer those video
standards which are inclusive and unencumbered such as xvid and x264.
They've survived.
Our library, some of which is many years old, still
plays.
No central server to authorize and track our viewing
habits.
No chance of having my devices' keys revoked.
No need to keep all
our gear connected to the net.
.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725818</id>
	<title>This isn't a difficult decision</title>
	<author>roc97007</author>
	<datestamp>1263237180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Ok, I read TFE, and it seems to me that for consumers (which is what I personally am concerned about) there's a clear choice -- buy content (if reasonably priced) from Warner Brothers, Paramount, NBC Universal, Sony and Fox, and torrent content from Disney.  What standards war?
</p><p>
Of course, if both solutions are confining and/or expensive, neither will be adopted en-masse.  For the first time, consumers have a third choice -- free -- and to compete with that, content providers will have to provide something that benefits consumers instead of annoying them.  I wonder if the content providers get this yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , I read TFE , and it seems to me that for consumers ( which is what I personally am concerned about ) there 's a clear choice -- buy content ( if reasonably priced ) from Warner Brothers , Paramount , NBC Universal , Sony and Fox , and torrent content from Disney .
What standards war ?
Of course , if both solutions are confining and/or expensive , neither will be adopted en-masse .
For the first time , consumers have a third choice -- free -- and to compete with that , content providers will have to provide something that benefits consumers instead of annoying them .
I wonder if the content providers get this yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Ok, I read TFE, and it seems to me that for consumers (which is what I personally am concerned about) there's a clear choice -- buy content (if reasonably priced) from Warner Brothers, Paramount, NBC Universal, Sony and Fox, and torrent content from Disney.
What standards war?
Of course, if both solutions are confining and/or expensive, neither will be adopted en-masse.
For the first time, consumers have a third choice -- free -- and to compete with that, content providers will have to provide something that benefits consumers instead of annoying them.
I wonder if the content providers get this yet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725776</id>
	<title>Good on ya, Apple</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1263237000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>With the multiyear HD DVD Blu-ray battle still a recent memory, we have a new standards face off in video, just as we do in eBooks, and just as it looks like we may in on-line print, where a new consortium led by the News Corporation and others is launching a standards-based "digital newsstand."  All of these devices, of course, are targeted at you and I, and each has the potential to not only extend the woes of the music/video/print vendors behind these standards battles, but to waste your money and mine as well.</i></p><p><i>Does that strike you as a shame?</i></p><p>Hell no. The last thing we need is easy to use, standardized DRM. Apple derailed Microsoft's attempt to make Plays for Sure the boot stamping in the face of the music lover, forever, by making sure NOBODY won the music DRM wars. It looks like they're up to their loveable tricks again, and I salute them for it. A fragmented, hard to use, unreliable DRM ecosystem is to the consumer's benefit in the long term.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the multiyear HD DVD Blu-ray battle still a recent memory , we have a new standards face off in video , just as we do in eBooks , and just as it looks like we may in on-line print , where a new consortium led by the News Corporation and others is launching a standards-based " digital newsstand .
" All of these devices , of course , are targeted at you and I , and each has the potential to not only extend the woes of the music/video/print vendors behind these standards battles , but to waste your money and mine as well.Does that strike you as a shame ? Hell no .
The last thing we need is easy to use , standardized DRM .
Apple derailed Microsoft 's attempt to make Plays for Sure the boot stamping in the face of the music lover , forever , by making sure NOBODY won the music DRM wars .
It looks like they 're up to their loveable tricks again , and I salute them for it .
A fragmented , hard to use , unreliable DRM ecosystem is to the consumer 's benefit in the long term .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the multiyear HD DVD Blu-ray battle still a recent memory, we have a new standards face off in video, just as we do in eBooks, and just as it looks like we may in on-line print, where a new consortium led by the News Corporation and others is launching a standards-based "digital newsstand.
"  All of these devices, of course, are targeted at you and I, and each has the potential to not only extend the woes of the music/video/print vendors behind these standards battles, but to waste your money and mine as well.Does that strike you as a shame?Hell no.
The last thing we need is easy to use, standardized DRM.
Apple derailed Microsoft's attempt to make Plays for Sure the boot stamping in the face of the music lover, forever, by making sure NOBODY won the music DRM wars.
It looks like they're up to their loveable tricks again, and I salute them for it.
A fragmented, hard to use, unreliable DRM ecosystem is to the consumer's benefit in the long term.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725676</id>
	<title>whatcouldpossiblygowrong</title>
	<author>genican1</author>
	<datestamp>1263236580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ftfa:<p><div class="quote"><p>In the face of this reality, the industry has come up with a pretty practical solution: pay once for a video, and the seller will track your ownership for you, and make that information available to anyone who hosts the same content anywhere.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ftfa : In the face of this reality , the industry has come up with a pretty practical solution : pay once for a video , and the seller will track your ownership for you , and make that information available to anyone who hosts the same content anywhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ftfa:In the face of this reality, the industry has come up with a pretty practical solution: pay once for a video, and the seller will track your ownership for you, and make that information available to anyone who hosts the same content anywhere.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726630</id>
	<title>Re:Slave to the server</title>
	<author>radtea</author>
	<datestamp>1263240960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>For example, one could have the servers managed by government agency</i></p><p>Right, because no one ever wants to watch foreign content, and no one minds giving their government the information that they are the proud owner of "Revolutionary Techniques for the Young Radical" or "Debby Does Someplace-that-starts-with-D".</p><p>It would be bad enough having a bunch of corporations having access to all that data.  Having governments--and possibly foreign governments--would be even worse.</p><p>Governments are also remarkably fickle:  they start and stop wars of convenience, for example.  Deciding to save money by shutting down some servers would be a no-brainer.  Imagine if some anti-pr0n nutjob got into office on a platform of shutting down DRM2010 for DRM-NO-PORN...</p><p>So your suggested cure is way worse than the disease, and demonstrates a basic failure in critical thinking:  no one cares what happens when the system works as you envision.  The only thing interesting to anyone but the people selling it is what happens when it fails.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For example , one could have the servers managed by government agencyRight , because no one ever wants to watch foreign content , and no one minds giving their government the information that they are the proud owner of " Revolutionary Techniques for the Young Radical " or " Debby Does Someplace-that-starts-with-D " .It would be bad enough having a bunch of corporations having access to all that data .
Having governments--and possibly foreign governments--would be even worse.Governments are also remarkably fickle : they start and stop wars of convenience , for example .
Deciding to save money by shutting down some servers would be a no-brainer .
Imagine if some anti-pr0n nutjob got into office on a platform of shutting down DRM2010 for DRM-NO-PORN...So your suggested cure is way worse than the disease , and demonstrates a basic failure in critical thinking : no one cares what happens when the system works as you envision .
The only thing interesting to anyone but the people selling it is what happens when it fails .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For example, one could have the servers managed by government agencyRight, because no one ever wants to watch foreign content, and no one minds giving their government the information that they are the proud owner of "Revolutionary Techniques for the Young Radical" or "Debby Does Someplace-that-starts-with-D".It would be bad enough having a bunch of corporations having access to all that data.
Having governments--and possibly foreign governments--would be even worse.Governments are also remarkably fickle:  they start and stop wars of convenience, for example.
Deciding to save money by shutting down some servers would be a no-brainer.
Imagine if some anti-pr0n nutjob got into office on a platform of shutting down DRM2010 for DRM-NO-PORN...So your suggested cure is way worse than the disease, and demonstrates a basic failure in critical thinking:  no one cares what happens when the system works as you envision.
The only thing interesting to anyone but the people selling it is what happens when it fails.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725862</id>
	<title>Clarification</title>
	<author>UnknowingFool</author>
	<datestamp>1263237420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Apple, incidentally, remains Disney's largest single shareholder</p></div></blockquote><p>Technically, Steve Jobs is the largest single shareholder of Disney.  His shares come to about 7\% of Disney.  He is also a shareholder in Apple but I'm not sure what about how many shares he has.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple , incidentally , remains Disney 's largest single shareholderTechnically , Steve Jobs is the largest single shareholder of Disney .
His shares come to about 7 \ % of Disney .
He is also a shareholder in Apple but I 'm not sure what about how many shares he has .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple, incidentally, remains Disney's largest single shareholderTechnically, Steve Jobs is the largest single shareholder of Disney.
His shares come to about 7\% of Disney.
He is also a shareholder in Apple but I'm not sure what about how many shares he has.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725488</id>
	<title>Hang on...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263235740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is this going to affect torrents except now we'll have to wait for one of two useless DRM schemes to be stripped away?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is this going to affect torrents except now we 'll have to wait for one of two useless DRM schemes to be stripped away ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is this going to affect torrents except now we'll have to wait for one of two useless DRM schemes to be stripped away?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30728164</id>
	<title>DMCA cockblock</title>
	<author>spire3661</author>
	<datestamp>1263202500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is impossible to get behind any DRM scheme while a full flat ban on decryption remain in effect. Works that have fallen in the public domain but wrapped in encryption need to have a provision in law before we can even begin to talk about universal DRM.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is impossible to get behind any DRM scheme while a full flat ban on decryption remain in effect .
Works that have fallen in the public domain but wrapped in encryption need to have a provision in law before we can even begin to talk about universal DRM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is impossible to get behind any DRM scheme while a full flat ban on decryption remain in effect.
Works that have fallen in the public domain but wrapped in encryption need to have a provision in law before we can even begin to talk about universal DRM.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725916</id>
	<title>The art of the possible.</title>
	<author>jthill</author>
	<datestamp>1263237840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All the major media companies except Disney and Apple are supporting a media-purchase-validation system that won't work unless your purchase is DRM'd.  Disney and Apple are proposing one that works equally well with un-DRM'd media.
</p><p>
Jobs is at it again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All the major media companies except Disney and Apple are supporting a media-purchase-validation system that wo n't work unless your purchase is DRM 'd .
Disney and Apple are proposing one that works equally well with un-DRM 'd media .
Jobs is at it again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the major media companies except Disney and Apple are supporting a media-purchase-validation system that won't work unless your purchase is DRM'd.
Disney and Apple are proposing one that works equally well with un-DRM'd media.
Jobs is at it again.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30732906</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing new here..</title>
	<author>Lunzo</author>
	<datestamp>1263227340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I only want to watch most films once. Here are the two easiest and cheapest ways I can watch movies:<br>1. Walk up to the DVD shop on the corner and rent it for $2.<br>2. Download from bit torrent.</p><p>Either way the studios make nothing from me watching their content (I'm assuming the DVD rentals place pays once for each DVD in the store). I'd buy a DVD or get a legit download if it were a similarly easy to obtain and a similar price (say $5 at most). Where I live $10 is the bargain bin stuff you wonder why they bothered to make and good DVDs are more like $20 to $30.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I only want to watch most films once .
Here are the two easiest and cheapest ways I can watch movies : 1 .
Walk up to the DVD shop on the corner and rent it for $ 2.2 .
Download from bit torrent.Either way the studios make nothing from me watching their content ( I 'm assuming the DVD rentals place pays once for each DVD in the store ) .
I 'd buy a DVD or get a legit download if it were a similarly easy to obtain and a similar price ( say $ 5 at most ) .
Where I live $ 10 is the bargain bin stuff you wonder why they bothered to make and good DVDs are more like $ 20 to $ 30 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I only want to watch most films once.
Here are the two easiest and cheapest ways I can watch movies:1.
Walk up to the DVD shop on the corner and rent it for $2.2.
Download from bit torrent.Either way the studios make nothing from me watching their content (I'm assuming the DVD rentals place pays once for each DVD in the store).
I'd buy a DVD or get a legit download if it were a similarly easy to obtain and a similar price (say $5 at most).
Where I live $10 is the bargain bin stuff you wonder why they bothered to make and good DVDs are more like $20 to $30.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726758</id>
	<title>Re:KeyChest isn't "DRM", at least on the file leve</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1263241320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The advantage to the "Tied to one format" problem is that, once I've purchased that one format, no one can take away my right to play it short of making the hardware completely unavailable or coming to my house and taking it by force.  If PlaysForSure or Yahoo! Music or any one of the previous obsoleted central server DRM technologies have taught anyone a lesson, it should be this:  THIS IS A REALLY BAD IDEA!  At least it is for the purchasing consumer.  For the seller, it's fantastic.</p><p>Within a month of release, KeyChest will be fundamentally cracked.  Actually, I should say "before release", but I'm being generous.  Someone will use a proxy server to simulate a positive response from a faked KeyChest server.  After it's been cracked, the movie studios will move on to a "more secure" technology, and KeyChest will stop being used.  And once they have your one-time payment to access "Finding Nemo", remind me again of what justifies their continued operation of the KeyChest server you now utterly depend on?  Do you seriously believe that a company is going to respect your right to watch it across multiple platforms for any length of time after the scheme stops being used?   When KeyKeeper comes out a year or a decade from now, KeyChest will declare bankruptcy and the server that approves your PLAY button for you will be sold for scrap.</p><p>Then you'll be left with a living room media player that's full of movies you can't play without buying them all over again.  Oh, and did we mention that your old media player doesn't support KeyKeeper?  That'll be $200 to buy the right to rebuy all of your movies, please.</p><p>Don't come crying to me, I won't be able to hear you.  I'll probably have a ripped copy of one of my CDs from the 1980s playing really loud.  They still work fine, you know.  And I can loan them to friends, or sell them, or just give them to someone else.  Legally.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The advantage to the " Tied to one format " problem is that , once I 've purchased that one format , no one can take away my right to play it short of making the hardware completely unavailable or coming to my house and taking it by force .
If PlaysForSure or Yahoo !
Music or any one of the previous obsoleted central server DRM technologies have taught anyone a lesson , it should be this : THIS IS A REALLY BAD IDEA !
At least it is for the purchasing consumer .
For the seller , it 's fantastic.Within a month of release , KeyChest will be fundamentally cracked .
Actually , I should say " before release " , but I 'm being generous .
Someone will use a proxy server to simulate a positive response from a faked KeyChest server .
After it 's been cracked , the movie studios will move on to a " more secure " technology , and KeyChest will stop being used .
And once they have your one-time payment to access " Finding Nemo " , remind me again of what justifies their continued operation of the KeyChest server you now utterly depend on ?
Do you seriously believe that a company is going to respect your right to watch it across multiple platforms for any length of time after the scheme stops being used ?
When KeyKeeper comes out a year or a decade from now , KeyChest will declare bankruptcy and the server that approves your PLAY button for you will be sold for scrap.Then you 'll be left with a living room media player that 's full of movies you ca n't play without buying them all over again .
Oh , and did we mention that your old media player does n't support KeyKeeper ?
That 'll be $ 200 to buy the right to rebuy all of your movies , please.Do n't come crying to me , I wo n't be able to hear you .
I 'll probably have a ripped copy of one of my CDs from the 1980s playing really loud .
They still work fine , you know .
And I can loan them to friends , or sell them , or just give them to someone else .
Legally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The advantage to the "Tied to one format" problem is that, once I've purchased that one format, no one can take away my right to play it short of making the hardware completely unavailable or coming to my house and taking it by force.
If PlaysForSure or Yahoo!
Music or any one of the previous obsoleted central server DRM technologies have taught anyone a lesson, it should be this:  THIS IS A REALLY BAD IDEA!
At least it is for the purchasing consumer.
For the seller, it's fantastic.Within a month of release, KeyChest will be fundamentally cracked.
Actually, I should say "before release", but I'm being generous.
Someone will use a proxy server to simulate a positive response from a faked KeyChest server.
After it's been cracked, the movie studios will move on to a "more secure" technology, and KeyChest will stop being used.
And once they have your one-time payment to access "Finding Nemo", remind me again of what justifies their continued operation of the KeyChest server you now utterly depend on?
Do you seriously believe that a company is going to respect your right to watch it across multiple platforms for any length of time after the scheme stops being used?
When KeyKeeper comes out a year or a decade from now, KeyChest will declare bankruptcy and the server that approves your PLAY button for you will be sold for scrap.Then you'll be left with a living room media player that's full of movies you can't play without buying them all over again.
Oh, and did we mention that your old media player doesn't support KeyKeeper?
That'll be $200 to buy the right to rebuy all of your movies, please.Don't come crying to me, I won't be able to hear you.
I'll probably have a ripped copy of one of my CDs from the 1980s playing really loud.
They still work fine, you know.
And I can loan them to friends, or sell them, or just give them to someone else.
Legally.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725966</id>
	<title>Disney and the rental model may win</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263238140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i peaked at 250 some DVDs before selling off my collection almost 10 years ago. got to the point where i would watch a lot of the movies only once or twice a year at most.</p><p>today with my 10 mbps cable internet ( i run speed tests and my cheapo time warner cable ranges 8 - 15 mbps depending on the time and day) and my 32GB iphone and laptops with 320GB hard drives i want to watch it anywhere and don't want to carry anything around and don't want to pay for things to own i may only watch or listen to once a year. i'd rather pay $20 a month and watch and listen to whatever i want when i want and where i want</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i peaked at 250 some DVDs before selling off my collection almost 10 years ago .
got to the point where i would watch a lot of the movies only once or twice a year at most.today with my 10 mbps cable internet ( i run speed tests and my cheapo time warner cable ranges 8 - 15 mbps depending on the time and day ) and my 32GB iphone and laptops with 320GB hard drives i want to watch it anywhere and do n't want to carry anything around and do n't want to pay for things to own i may only watch or listen to once a year .
i 'd rather pay $ 20 a month and watch and listen to whatever i want when i want and where i want</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i peaked at 250 some DVDs before selling off my collection almost 10 years ago.
got to the point where i would watch a lot of the movies only once or twice a year at most.today with my 10 mbps cable internet ( i run speed tests and my cheapo time warner cable ranges 8 - 15 mbps depending on the time and day) and my 32GB iphone and laptops with 320GB hard drives i want to watch it anywhere and don't want to carry anything around and don't want to pay for things to own i may only watch or listen to once a year.
i'd rather pay $20 a month and watch and listen to whatever i want when i want and where i want</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725992</id>
	<title>Re:And the winner is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263238200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>The internet streaming side without DRM, I would imagine.  They make their money from repeat customers and, unlike hollywood, seems to have worked out that the value that they provide is creating new content.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The internet streaming side without DRM , I would imagine .
They make their money from repeat customers and , unlike hollywood , seems to have worked out that the value that they provide is creating new content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The internet streaming side without DRM, I would imagine.
They make their money from repeat customers and, unlike hollywood, seems to have worked out that the value that they provide is creating new content.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30727082</id>
	<title>Re:Disney and the rental model may win</title>
	<author>winwar</author>
	<datestamp>1263242400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"i'd rather pay $20 a month and watch and listen to whatever i want when i want and where i want"</p><p>So would I.  But that model does not exist.  And the content providers don't want it to exist.</p><p>"today with my 10 mbps cable internet..."</p><p>And how much are you paying for that connection?  And how much will you be allowed to download for that price?  Not to mention that many people may never be able to get that connection speed.</p><p>The rental market already exists at $20 a month.  It's called Netflix.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" i 'd rather pay $ 20 a month and watch and listen to whatever i want when i want and where i want " So would I. But that model does not exist .
And the content providers do n't want it to exist .
" today with my 10 mbps cable internet... " And how much are you paying for that connection ?
And how much will you be allowed to download for that price ?
Not to mention that many people may never be able to get that connection speed.The rental market already exists at $ 20 a month .
It 's called Netflix .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"i'd rather pay $20 a month and watch and listen to whatever i want when i want and where i want"So would I.  But that model does not exist.
And the content providers don't want it to exist.
"today with my 10 mbps cable internet..."And how much are you paying for that connection?
And how much will you be allowed to download for that price?
Not to mention that many people may never be able to get that connection speed.The rental market already exists at $20 a month.
It's called Netflix.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30729484</id>
	<title>Laserdisc forever!</title>
	<author>Potent</author>
	<datestamp>1263207180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pirates will pirate your warez no matter what you do to try to stop them.  All these battles do is hurt the consumer by increasing the cost of media and hardware, and piss them off by making them jump through hoops just to watch some shitty movie.  Only the lawyers win in the end.</p><p>I'll keep watching my old laserdisc collection until these clowns figure it all out.</p><p>It is nice to have ownership of my media and have full control over it for about $2.00 per title from Ebay.</p><p>haha!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pirates will pirate your warez no matter what you do to try to stop them .
All these battles do is hurt the consumer by increasing the cost of media and hardware , and piss them off by making them jump through hoops just to watch some shitty movie .
Only the lawyers win in the end.I 'll keep watching my old laserdisc collection until these clowns figure it all out.It is nice to have ownership of my media and have full control over it for about $ 2.00 per title from Ebay.haha !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pirates will pirate your warez no matter what you do to try to stop them.
All these battles do is hurt the consumer by increasing the cost of media and hardware, and piss them off by making them jump through hoops just to watch some shitty movie.
Only the lawyers win in the end.I'll keep watching my old laserdisc collection until these clowns figure it all out.It is nice to have ownership of my media and have full control over it for about $2.00 per title from Ebay.haha!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725782</id>
	<title>Much Ado about nothing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263237060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The TFA talks about the war between  Digital Entertainment Content Ecosystem (DECE) from 6 of the big movie studios versus Keychest from Disney. But the important this is that <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/10/disneys-keychest-is-not-drm/" title="engadget.com"> Keychest is not DRM </a> [engadget.com]. As the name implies its a Key management service, proposed by Disney. It needs DRM such as DECE or Apple's Protected AAC stuff to work. The TFA's author doesnt seem to grasp the basic difference.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The TFA talks about the war between Digital Entertainment Content Ecosystem ( DECE ) from 6 of the big movie studios versus Keychest from Disney .
But the important this is that Keychest is not DRM [ engadget.com ] .
As the name implies its a Key management service , proposed by Disney .
It needs DRM such as DECE or Apple 's Protected AAC stuff to work .
The TFA 's author doesnt seem to grasp the basic difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The TFA talks about the war between  Digital Entertainment Content Ecosystem (DECE) from 6 of the big movie studios versus Keychest from Disney.
But the important this is that  Keychest is not DRM  [engadget.com].
As the name implies its a Key management service, proposed by Disney.
It needs DRM such as DECE or Apple's Protected AAC stuff to work.
The TFA's author doesnt seem to grasp the basic difference.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30729076</id>
	<title>Re:KeyChest isn't "DRM", at least on the file leve</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263205740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You also (generally) can't buy a DVD on a plane, train or even a car most of the time, nor under that shaded tree in the park (unless there happens to be a kiosk there).  You'd have to have bought that DVD previously and physically brought it along.  The same would be the case here - you buy the digital copy, load it on the relevant device while you are somewhere with internet access and play it where you want.  Transferring is slower than grabbing a DVD on the way out the door, but other than that I don't see a difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You also ( generally ) ca n't buy a DVD on a plane , train or even a car most of the time , nor under that shaded tree in the park ( unless there happens to be a kiosk there ) .
You 'd have to have bought that DVD previously and physically brought it along .
The same would be the case here - you buy the digital copy , load it on the relevant device while you are somewhere with internet access and play it where you want .
Transferring is slower than grabbing a DVD on the way out the door , but other than that I do n't see a difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You also (generally) can't buy a DVD on a plane, train or even a car most of the time, nor under that shaded tree in the park (unless there happens to be a kiosk there).
You'd have to have bought that DVD previously and physically brought it along.
The same would be the case here - you buy the digital copy, load it on the relevant device while you are somewhere with internet access and play it where you want.
Transferring is slower than grabbing a DVD on the way out the door, but other than that I don't see a difference.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726396</id>
	<title>Just look at the drug industry</title>
	<author>orim</author>
	<datestamp>1263239940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have we learned nothing from them? If this DRM plan goes through, the companies will obsolete media just as fast as the drug companies obsolete drugs that are about to lose their patent. (They remix the formula slightly, and take another patent out).</p><p>So basically, that copy of Blade Runner you bought 3 years ago? The Director's cut plus? Well, that was then, now we have a completely new product, Director's cut plus enhanced, with a never before seen napkin drawing of Roy Batty's potential haircuts that never made it into the movie. So yeah, we don't carry the old one any more, but if you want the plus enhanced, that'll be another $19.99 please.</p><p>Don't for a second think these a-holes are doing anything for YOU, the consumer. Just like the insurance industry doesn't give a shit about giving you actual medical care, these people don't care about giving you anything - it's all about their profits... perpetual and guaranteed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have we learned nothing from them ?
If this DRM plan goes through , the companies will obsolete media just as fast as the drug companies obsolete drugs that are about to lose their patent .
( They remix the formula slightly , and take another patent out ) .So basically , that copy of Blade Runner you bought 3 years ago ?
The Director 's cut plus ?
Well , that was then , now we have a completely new product , Director 's cut plus enhanced , with a never before seen napkin drawing of Roy Batty 's potential haircuts that never made it into the movie .
So yeah , we do n't carry the old one any more , but if you want the plus enhanced , that 'll be another $ 19.99 please.Do n't for a second think these a-holes are doing anything for YOU , the consumer .
Just like the insurance industry does n't give a shit about giving you actual medical care , these people do n't care about giving you anything - it 's all about their profits... perpetual and guaranteed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have we learned nothing from them?
If this DRM plan goes through, the companies will obsolete media just as fast as the drug companies obsolete drugs that are about to lose their patent.
(They remix the formula slightly, and take another patent out).So basically, that copy of Blade Runner you bought 3 years ago?
The Director's cut plus?
Well, that was then, now we have a completely new product, Director's cut plus enhanced, with a never before seen napkin drawing of Roy Batty's potential haircuts that never made it into the movie.
So yeah, we don't carry the old one any more, but if you want the plus enhanced, that'll be another $19.99 please.Don't for a second think these a-holes are doing anything for YOU, the consumer.
Just like the insurance industry doesn't give a shit about giving you actual medical care, these people don't care about giving you anything - it's all about their profits... perpetual and guaranteed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30727762</id>
	<title>Re:Much Ado about nothing</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1263201120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DECE isn't really about a new DRM format, it's about everyone using the <i>same</i> DRM format.  That idea, and a centralized license manager, are both different approaches to solving the same problem: being able to play your DRMed files on different devices.</p><p>The author glosses over the specifics, but the basic conflict is as described.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DECE is n't really about a new DRM format , it 's about everyone using the same DRM format .
That idea , and a centralized license manager , are both different approaches to solving the same problem : being able to play your DRMed files on different devices.The author glosses over the specifics , but the basic conflict is as described .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DECE isn't really about a new DRM format, it's about everyone using the same DRM format.
That idea, and a centralized license manager, are both different approaches to solving the same problem: being able to play your DRMed files on different devices.The author glosses over the specifics, but the basic conflict is as described.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725684</id>
	<title>Re:And the winner is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263236640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is a myth that VHS won over Betamax because of the porn industry. If that were true, then HD-DVD should have beaten Blu-ray. The reason VHS won was 1) less restrictive license, and 2) it could record more an one hour of programming, meaning you could record movies and ball games. The one hour limit was Beta's main downfall.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is a myth that VHS won over Betamax because of the porn industry .
If that were true , then HD-DVD should have beaten Blu-ray .
The reason VHS won was 1 ) less restrictive license , and 2 ) it could record more an one hour of programming , meaning you could record movies and ball games .
The one hour limit was Beta 's main downfall .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is a myth that VHS won over Betamax because of the porn industry.
If that were true, then HD-DVD should have beaten Blu-ray.
The reason VHS won was 1) less restrictive license, and 2) it could record more an one hour of programming, meaning you could record movies and ball games.
The one hour limit was Beta's main downfall.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726348</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks but no thanks.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263239760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You may care about xvid and x264 and whatever other codec or container you want. But your average media consumer is more than likely not even aware of such things in any meaningful way. Convenience and ease of use are the name of the game for your average person.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You may care about xvid and x264 and whatever other codec or container you want .
But your average media consumer is more than likely not even aware of such things in any meaningful way .
Convenience and ease of use are the name of the game for your average person .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may care about xvid and x264 and whatever other codec or container you want.
But your average media consumer is more than likely not even aware of such things in any meaningful way.
Convenience and ease of use are the name of the game for your average person.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30730570</id>
	<title>Re:Except fo Course...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263211860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Where the heck do I find the Opt-Out?</p></div><p>http://thepiratebay.org/</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where the heck do I find the Opt-Out ? http : //thepiratebay.org/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where the heck do I find the Opt-Out?http://thepiratebay.org/
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725802</id>
	<title>didn't Disney join DECE?</title>
	<author>alen</author>
	<datestamp>1263237120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i thought i read something this weekend on engadget that Disney is joining DECE and calling it Keychest or something like that</p><p>Apple, everyone knows they live in their own world</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i thought i read something this weekend on engadget that Disney is joining DECE and calling it Keychest or something like thatApple , everyone knows they live in their own world</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i thought i read something this weekend on engadget that Disney is joining DECE and calling it Keychest or something like thatApple, everyone knows they live in their own world</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726494</id>
	<title>Re:Betamax vs. VHS</title>
	<author>TheSync</author>
	<datestamp>1263240300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>VHS was widely licensed by JVC from the beginning, Betamax was only licensed by Sony after they noticed all the other manufacturers licensing VHS.  Both specifications ended up as IEC standards over time, as typically happens with tape formats.</p><p>VHS ended up as <a href="http://webstore.iec.ch/webstore/webstore.nsf/artnum/017248" title="webstore.iec.ch">IEC 60774-1</a> [webstore.iec.ch] (1994) "Helical-scan video tape cassette system using 12,65 mm (0,5 in) magnetic tape on type VHS - Part 1: VHS and compact VHS video cassette system".</p><p>Betamax ended up as <a href="http://webstore.iec.ch/webstore/webstore.nsf/artnum/017240" title="webstore.iec.ch">IEC 60767</a> [webstore.iec.ch] (1983) "Helical-scan video-tape cassette system using 12.65 mm (0.5 in) magnetic tape on type beta-format"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>VHS was widely licensed by JVC from the beginning , Betamax was only licensed by Sony after they noticed all the other manufacturers licensing VHS .
Both specifications ended up as IEC standards over time , as typically happens with tape formats.VHS ended up as IEC 60774-1 [ webstore.iec.ch ] ( 1994 ) " Helical-scan video tape cassette system using 12,65 mm ( 0,5 in ) magnetic tape on type VHS - Part 1 : VHS and compact VHS video cassette system " .Betamax ended up as IEC 60767 [ webstore.iec.ch ] ( 1983 ) " Helical-scan video-tape cassette system using 12.65 mm ( 0.5 in ) magnetic tape on type beta-format "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>VHS was widely licensed by JVC from the beginning, Betamax was only licensed by Sony after they noticed all the other manufacturers licensing VHS.
Both specifications ended up as IEC standards over time, as typically happens with tape formats.VHS ended up as IEC 60774-1 [webstore.iec.ch] (1994) "Helical-scan video tape cassette system using 12,65 mm (0,5 in) magnetic tape on type VHS - Part 1: VHS and compact VHS video cassette system".Betamax ended up as IEC 60767 [webstore.iec.ch] (1983) "Helical-scan video-tape cassette system using 12.65 mm (0.5 in) magnetic tape on type beta-format"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726102</id>
	<title>Re:KeyChest isn't "DRM", at least on the file leve</title>
	<author>dwiget001</author>
	<datestamp>1263238740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, no privacy issues here, nosirree.</p><p>Private companies (and government agencies) already have way too much private information on way too many people, IMHO.</p><p>I wish them all good luck in completely destroying their business. Hats off to them!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , no privacy issues here , nosirree.Private companies ( and government agencies ) already have way too much private information on way too many people , IMHO.I wish them all good luck in completely destroying their business .
Hats off to them !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, no privacy issues here, nosirree.Private companies (and government agencies) already have way too much private information on way too many people, IMHO.I wish them all good luck in completely destroying their business.
Hats off to them!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726148</id>
	<title>Re:Who Won the HD DVD War?</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1263238980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just checked the place I rent DVDs from.  They currently have:
<ul>
<li>60,848 DVDs</li>
<li>1,732 Blu-ray discs</li>
<li>239 HD DVDs</li>
<li>2,839 streaming titles</li>
</ul><p>
Now, these numbers are slightly skewed by the fact that seasons of TV shows count as single DVD or BluRay titles but each episode counts as a separate streaming title, but it's more interesting when I look at the numbers added in the last three months:
</p><ul>
<li>DVD: 935</li>
<li>Blu-ray: 179</li>
<li>Streaming: 617</li>
</ul><p>
They're still adding a lot of new DVD titles.  That's still where their money is.  I don't have a BD player and I watch things on a projector that only does 800x600.  The streaming titles look a bit worse than DVDs, but not much.  Things I stream from iPlayer are very close to DVD quality now, and I'm not even watching the 720p streams.  By the time I replace my projector, in a couple of years, iPlayer will probably have increased the 720p streams to 1080p.  There doesn't seem much attraction in renting BD over streaming.</p><p>
If you buy films then it might make sense, but I rarely watch films more than a couple of times, and I'd rather watch a new film than re-watch an old one.  I have a library of around 100 DVDs that I almost never watch.  I can rent more than a dozen DVDs over the course of a month for less than the cost of buying one BD, so there's no incentive to buy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just checked the place I rent DVDs from .
They currently have : 60,848 DVDs 1,732 Blu-ray discs 239 HD DVDs 2,839 streaming titles Now , these numbers are slightly skewed by the fact that seasons of TV shows count as single DVD or BluRay titles but each episode counts as a separate streaming title , but it 's more interesting when I look at the numbers added in the last three months : DVD : 935 Blu-ray : 179 Streaming : 617 They 're still adding a lot of new DVD titles .
That 's still where their money is .
I do n't have a BD player and I watch things on a projector that only does 800x600 .
The streaming titles look a bit worse than DVDs , but not much .
Things I stream from iPlayer are very close to DVD quality now , and I 'm not even watching the 720p streams .
By the time I replace my projector , in a couple of years , iPlayer will probably have increased the 720p streams to 1080p .
There does n't seem much attraction in renting BD over streaming .
If you buy films then it might make sense , but I rarely watch films more than a couple of times , and I 'd rather watch a new film than re-watch an old one .
I have a library of around 100 DVDs that I almost never watch .
I can rent more than a dozen DVDs over the course of a month for less than the cost of buying one BD , so there 's no incentive to buy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just checked the place I rent DVDs from.
They currently have:

60,848 DVDs
1,732 Blu-ray discs
239 HD DVDs
2,839 streaming titles

Now, these numbers are slightly skewed by the fact that seasons of TV shows count as single DVD or BluRay titles but each episode counts as a separate streaming title, but it's more interesting when I look at the numbers added in the last three months:

DVD: 935
Blu-ray: 179
Streaming: 617

They're still adding a lot of new DVD titles.
That's still where their money is.
I don't have a BD player and I watch things on a projector that only does 800x600.
The streaming titles look a bit worse than DVDs, but not much.
Things I stream from iPlayer are very close to DVD quality now, and I'm not even watching the 720p streams.
By the time I replace my projector, in a couple of years, iPlayer will probably have increased the 720p streams to 1080p.
There doesn't seem much attraction in renting BD over streaming.
If you buy films then it might make sense, but I rarely watch films more than a couple of times, and I'd rather watch a new film than re-watch an old one.
I have a library of around 100 DVDs that I almost never watch.
I can rent more than a dozen DVDs over the course of a month for less than the cost of buying one BD, so there's no incentive to buy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726116</id>
	<title>As long as the studios sell atoms to the consumer-</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263238800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>-I.E., DVD/BluRay discs, any DRM is useless and will be subverted.</p><p>Encode the bits all the way to the monitor/TV display. It makes no difference. Someone, somewhere will figure out how to convince the data stream that it's driving an encryption compliant display, while in actuality, that now unencrypted data stream is being written to a hard drive as an H.264 video/audio file.</p><p>Even if eventually, everything comes from the cloud, the Chinese will be happy to sell you a greymarket flatscreen TV/Monitor with all the audio/video out ports you could ever want on the back of the display. All ready to plug into your computer.</p><p>Until then, ffmpeg and Handbrake/MacTheRipper are your archiving friends.</p><p>As for torrents, I look at the Internet as my own personal Digital Video Recorder that automatically edits out the commercials.</p><p>Oh, and lastly, I buy almost all my DVDs used. No point in paying the studios/networks/production companies that DRM their products.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>-I.E. , DVD/BluRay discs , any DRM is useless and will be subverted.Encode the bits all the way to the monitor/TV display .
It makes no difference .
Someone , somewhere will figure out how to convince the data stream that it 's driving an encryption compliant display , while in actuality , that now unencrypted data stream is being written to a hard drive as an H.264 video/audio file.Even if eventually , everything comes from the cloud , the Chinese will be happy to sell you a greymarket flatscreen TV/Monitor with all the audio/video out ports you could ever want on the back of the display .
All ready to plug into your computer.Until then , ffmpeg and Handbrake/MacTheRipper are your archiving friends.As for torrents , I look at the Internet as my own personal Digital Video Recorder that automatically edits out the commercials.Oh , and lastly , I buy almost all my DVDs used .
No point in paying the studios/networks/production companies that DRM their products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>-I.E., DVD/BluRay discs, any DRM is useless and will be subverted.Encode the bits all the way to the monitor/TV display.
It makes no difference.
Someone, somewhere will figure out how to convince the data stream that it's driving an encryption compliant display, while in actuality, that now unencrypted data stream is being written to a hard drive as an H.264 video/audio file.Even if eventually, everything comes from the cloud, the Chinese will be happy to sell you a greymarket flatscreen TV/Monitor with all the audio/video out ports you could ever want on the back of the display.
All ready to plug into your computer.Until then, ffmpeg and Handbrake/MacTheRipper are your archiving friends.As for torrents, I look at the Internet as my own personal Digital Video Recorder that automatically edits out the commercials.Oh, and lastly, I buy almost all my DVDs used.
No point in paying the studios/networks/production companies that DRM their products.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726470</id>
	<title>Re:Infancy of civilization</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263240240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Generally I first research Ceremonial Burial and Masonry as advances and try to create new cities as fast as possible. Then get your most productive city to build a temple and then start work on the Pyramids. After that's complete the next major advance/Wonder to target are Literacy and The Great Library. If you can get those then you'll get a pretty decent technological headstart on the other countries that you can use as an edge for conquering.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Generally I first research Ceremonial Burial and Masonry as advances and try to create new cities as fast as possible .
Then get your most productive city to build a temple and then start work on the Pyramids .
After that 's complete the next major advance/Wonder to target are Literacy and The Great Library .
If you can get those then you 'll get a pretty decent technological headstart on the other countries that you can use as an edge for conquering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Generally I first research Ceremonial Burial and Masonry as advances and try to create new cities as fast as possible.
Then get your most productive city to build a temple and then start work on the Pyramids.
After that's complete the next major advance/Wonder to target are Literacy and The Great Library.
If you can get those then you'll get a pretty decent technological headstart on the other countries that you can use as an edge for conquering.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30727906</id>
	<title>DRM, huh?</title>
	<author>frank\_adrian314159</author>
	<datestamp>1263201600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can we toss in 3D standards at the same time and make a real mess of it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can we toss in 3D standards at the same time and make a real mess of it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can we toss in 3D standards at the same time and make a real mess of it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726756</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks but no thanks.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263241320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>No need to keep all our gear connected to the net.</p></div></blockquote><p>That's a big one.  I won't purchase any content or product that requires "phoning home".  If a company puts out a product and is hostile enough to me that they're going to require I be connected to their servers, I'll find "another solution".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No need to keep all our gear connected to the net.That 's a big one .
I wo n't purchase any content or product that requires " phoning home " .
If a company puts out a product and is hostile enough to me that they 're going to require I be connected to their servers , I 'll find " another solution " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No need to keep all our gear connected to the net.That's a big one.
I won't purchase any content or product that requires "phoning home".
If a company puts out a product and is hostile enough to me that they're going to require I be connected to their servers, I'll find "another solution".
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726272</id>
	<title>Except fo Course...</title>
	<author>IBitOBear</author>
	<datestamp>1263239520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You \_aren't\_ going to get a key for "The White Album" you are going to get a key for "the 2011 release of 'The White Album" in MP3 format from Sony Interactive for use on sPlayer #xxxxxxx" simply because they \_can\_ be that specific and they \_don't\_ want to sell anything once that they can sell a million times.</p><p>DRM == RENT, and illegal prior restraint, and a scheme that can never actually work because it is a system that violates every principle of both software engineering and cryptography. No matter how you slice it, DRM is a stupid waste of leptons, time, and money. It is a system based on a complete lack of modularity and locality.</p><p>DRM is a classic case of "who will watch the watchers?" and not just at the corporate and financial and cultural levels. As a simple exercise in software engineering DRM must fail. It is a system that must be part of every element of a system (which is the failure of locality and modularity etc) to the degree that you need to have DRM policing the DRM system.</p><p>DRM is the Perpetual Motion of Software. People keep inventing new versions of it that don't quite work because no version of it can \_ever\_ deliver what is promised. Companies keep buying into the hype because they are blinded by "the potential". The only difference is that we are all being forced to buy these perpetual motion machines. Sure \_this\_ one has a battery in it, \_that\_ one has to be hooked up to the electrical mains. Some other one needs a waterwheel or a solar panel, and they will all tear off an arm or crush your child if you aren't careful... but we are \_almost\_ there... just one more scheme and we'll have it right...</p><p>The whole thing is a tax, levied by the stupid, paid by the sheep, and ready to break businesses when, I don't know, say Microsoft (or whomever) forgets to update a certificate (or whatever) before it expires (or whatever).</p><p>Where the heck do I find the Opt-Out?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You \ _are n't \ _ going to get a key for " The White Album " you are going to get a key for " the 2011 release of 'The White Album " in MP3 format from Sony Interactive for use on sPlayer # xxxxxxx " simply because they \ _can \ _ be that specific and they \ _do n't \ _ want to sell anything once that they can sell a million times.DRM = = RENT , and illegal prior restraint , and a scheme that can never actually work because it is a system that violates every principle of both software engineering and cryptography .
No matter how you slice it , DRM is a stupid waste of leptons , time , and money .
It is a system based on a complete lack of modularity and locality.DRM is a classic case of " who will watch the watchers ?
" and not just at the corporate and financial and cultural levels .
As a simple exercise in software engineering DRM must fail .
It is a system that must be part of every element of a system ( which is the failure of locality and modularity etc ) to the degree that you need to have DRM policing the DRM system.DRM is the Perpetual Motion of Software .
People keep inventing new versions of it that do n't quite work because no version of it can \ _ever \ _ deliver what is promised .
Companies keep buying into the hype because they are blinded by " the potential " .
The only difference is that we are all being forced to buy these perpetual motion machines .
Sure \ _this \ _ one has a battery in it , \ _that \ _ one has to be hooked up to the electrical mains .
Some other one needs a waterwheel or a solar panel , and they will all tear off an arm or crush your child if you are n't careful... but we are \ _almost \ _ there... just one more scheme and we 'll have it right...The whole thing is a tax , levied by the stupid , paid by the sheep , and ready to break businesses when , I do n't know , say Microsoft ( or whomever ) forgets to update a certificate ( or whatever ) before it expires ( or whatever ) .Where the heck do I find the Opt-Out ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You \_aren't\_ going to get a key for "The White Album" you are going to get a key for "the 2011 release of 'The White Album" in MP3 format from Sony Interactive for use on sPlayer #xxxxxxx" simply because they \_can\_ be that specific and they \_don't\_ want to sell anything once that they can sell a million times.DRM == RENT, and illegal prior restraint, and a scheme that can never actually work because it is a system that violates every principle of both software engineering and cryptography.
No matter how you slice it, DRM is a stupid waste of leptons, time, and money.
It is a system based on a complete lack of modularity and locality.DRM is a classic case of "who will watch the watchers?
" and not just at the corporate and financial and cultural levels.
As a simple exercise in software engineering DRM must fail.
It is a system that must be part of every element of a system (which is the failure of locality and modularity etc) to the degree that you need to have DRM policing the DRM system.DRM is the Perpetual Motion of Software.
People keep inventing new versions of it that don't quite work because no version of it can \_ever\_ deliver what is promised.
Companies keep buying into the hype because they are blinded by "the potential".
The only difference is that we are all being forced to buy these perpetual motion machines.
Sure \_this\_ one has a battery in it, \_that\_ one has to be hooked up to the electrical mains.
Some other one needs a waterwheel or a solar panel, and they will all tear off an arm or crush your child if you aren't careful... but we are \_almost\_ there... just one more scheme and we'll have it right...The whole thing is a tax, levied by the stupid, paid by the sheep, and ready to break businesses when, I don't know, say Microsoft (or whomever) forgets to update a certificate (or whatever) before it expires (or whatever).Where the heck do I find the Opt-Out?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30727552</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks but no thanks.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263200460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>XViD and x264 are implementations, not standards. The related standards, H.264 and MPEG-4, are not unencumbered at all. x264 has managed to slip through a legal loophole so far, but there's no guarantee for the future. This is precisely why Mozilla refused to implement MP4/H.264 for web video and opted for the free OGG/Theora format instead. I use x264 for private encodes because it offers twice the quality per bitrate, but for anything public a free format should be chosen.</p><p>More on the H.264 licensing problem: http://www.streaminglearningcenter.com/articles/h264-royalties-what-you-need-to-know.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>XViD and x264 are implementations , not standards .
The related standards , H.264 and MPEG-4 , are not unencumbered at all .
x264 has managed to slip through a legal loophole so far , but there 's no guarantee for the future .
This is precisely why Mozilla refused to implement MP4/H.264 for web video and opted for the free OGG/Theora format instead .
I use x264 for private encodes because it offers twice the quality per bitrate , but for anything public a free format should be chosen.More on the H.264 licensing problem : http : //www.streaminglearningcenter.com/articles/h264-royalties-what-you-need-to-know.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>XViD and x264 are implementations, not standards.
The related standards, H.264 and MPEG-4, are not unencumbered at all.
x264 has managed to slip through a legal loophole so far, but there's no guarantee for the future.
This is precisely why Mozilla refused to implement MP4/H.264 for web video and opted for the free OGG/Theora format instead.
I use x264 for private encodes because it offers twice the quality per bitrate, but for anything public a free format should be chosen.More on the H.264 licensing problem: http://www.streaminglearningcenter.com/articles/h264-royalties-what-you-need-to-know.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30730722</id>
	<title>Re:We vote with our wallets</title>
	<author>Max Littlemore</author>
	<datestamp>1263212760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If people don't want a format or technology, nothing the studios or content providers do will get them what they want (our money).</p></div></blockquote><p>...Then company X spends more on marketing and adds better sweeteners for the retail chains, then company X's product gets touted as the best by "knowledgeable" staff in shops, then the average idiot buys what they believe to be the next big thing. To vote with ones wallet, one needs to be informed and resistant to reality distortion fields, and most people fail both of those tests, even people in I.T.</p><p>It's like iPhone here in Oz, or Windows 7*. Reasonably good products,  sure, but not the best. They just happen to have the right marketing and retailer compliance behind them to become the standard.</p><p> <i>* Actually Windows 7 because you can't buy a new PC/notebook without it unless you buy Apple or go to one small <a href="http://www.pioneercomputers.com.au/" title="pioneercomputers.com.au">company</a> [pioneercomputers.com.au]** without any significant mind share. MS has sewn it up so all other suppliers have to pay for a windows license anyway over here.<br>**My mention of pioneer is not me spamming<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/., I attempted to buy from them a couple of years ago and found the service so slow and disorganised I gave up and got a freaking Vista license from someone else - I really hope they have improved.</i> </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If people do n't want a format or technology , nothing the studios or content providers do will get them what they want ( our money ) ....Then company X spends more on marketing and adds better sweeteners for the retail chains , then company X 's product gets touted as the best by " knowledgeable " staff in shops , then the average idiot buys what they believe to be the next big thing .
To vote with ones wallet , one needs to be informed and resistant to reality distortion fields , and most people fail both of those tests , even people in I.T.It 's like iPhone here in Oz , or Windows 7 * .
Reasonably good products , sure , but not the best .
They just happen to have the right marketing and retailer compliance behind them to become the standard .
* Actually Windows 7 because you ca n't buy a new PC/notebook without it unless you buy Apple or go to one small company [ pioneercomputers.com.au ] * * without any significant mind share .
MS has sewn it up so all other suppliers have to pay for a windows license anyway over here .
* * My mention of pioneer is not me spamming /. , I attempted to buy from them a couple of years ago and found the service so slow and disorganised I gave up and got a freaking Vista license from someone else - I really hope they have improved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If people don't want a format or technology, nothing the studios or content providers do will get them what they want (our money)....Then company X spends more on marketing and adds better sweeteners for the retail chains, then company X's product gets touted as the best by "knowledgeable" staff in shops, then the average idiot buys what they believe to be the next big thing.
To vote with ones wallet, one needs to be informed and resistant to reality distortion fields, and most people fail both of those tests, even people in I.T.It's like iPhone here in Oz, or Windows 7*.
Reasonably good products,  sure, but not the best.
They just happen to have the right marketing and retailer compliance behind them to become the standard.
* Actually Windows 7 because you can't buy a new PC/notebook without it unless you buy Apple or go to one small company [pioneercomputers.com.au]** without any significant mind share.
MS has sewn it up so all other suppliers have to pay for a windows license anyway over here.
**My mention of pioneer is not me spamming /., I attempted to buy from them a couple of years ago and found the service so slow and disorganised I gave up and got a freaking Vista license from someone else - I really hope they have improved. 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725964</id>
	<title>Bad Idea</title>
	<author>Stregano</author>
	<datestamp>1263238080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>and when one of these falls through and needs to shut down its servers, then what happens to all of the movies that I just purchased?
<br> <br>
As EA games has proven by turning off the Madden 09 servers, a big company can just up and decide to shut off certain servers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>and when one of these falls through and needs to shut down its servers , then what happens to all of the movies that I just purchased ?
As EA games has proven by turning off the Madden 09 servers , a big company can just up and decide to shut off certain servers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and when one of these falls through and needs to shut down its servers, then what happens to all of the movies that I just purchased?
As EA games has proven by turning off the Madden 09 servers, a big company can just up and decide to shut off certain servers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30729060</id>
	<title>Re:Except fo Course...</title>
	<author>mister\_playboy</author>
	<datestamp>1263205740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Where the heck do I find the Opt-Out?</p></div><p> <a href="http://thepiratebay.org/" title="thepiratebay.org">The Pirate Bay</a> [thepiratebay.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where the heck do I find the Opt-Out ?
The Pirate Bay [ thepiratebay.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where the heck do I find the Opt-Out?
The Pirate Bay [thepiratebay.org]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725630</id>
	<title>Re:Betamax vs. VHS</title>
	<author>Sockatume</author>
	<datestamp>1263236460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Formats lead to acceptance. Acceptance leads to dominance. Dominance leads to a <i>de facto</i> standard. <i>De facto</i> standards lead to the dark side.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Formats lead to acceptance .
Acceptance leads to dominance .
Dominance leads to a de facto standard .
De facto standards lead to the dark side .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Formats lead to acceptance.
Acceptance leads to dominance.
Dominance leads to a de facto standard.
De facto standards lead to the dark side.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30729298</id>
	<title>Re:KeyChest isn't "DRM", at least on the file leve</title>
	<author>Cybershark302</author>
	<datestamp>1263206520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes they will...You just won't be buying from one entity anymore...</p><p>You'll be sending a cut to everyone with every purchase, even if you don't have multiple devices from multiple vendors.</p><p>Your cable company will show you that movie for free because you paid them $3 when you bought it for $65 at Best Buy (You also paid Sony, Disney, and whoever else wants in). Its not price fixing if everyone only sells the one product. Then it's just a monopoly with every company in for their chunk. If all the big kids play together then no one big enough to get lobbyists can go after them for cornering the industry.</p><p>Of course they still won't be able to plug what used to be called "the analog hole" since the community will build their own damn rippers/players from the chips up if they have to to avoid these schemes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes they will...You just wo n't be buying from one entity anymore...You 'll be sending a cut to everyone with every purchase , even if you do n't have multiple devices from multiple vendors.Your cable company will show you that movie for free because you paid them $ 3 when you bought it for $ 65 at Best Buy ( You also paid Sony , Disney , and whoever else wants in ) .
Its not price fixing if everyone only sells the one product .
Then it 's just a monopoly with every company in for their chunk .
If all the big kids play together then no one big enough to get lobbyists can go after them for cornering the industry.Of course they still wo n't be able to plug what used to be called " the analog hole " since the community will build their own damn rippers/players from the chips up if they have to to avoid these schemes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes they will...You just won't be buying from one entity anymore...You'll be sending a cut to everyone with every purchase, even if you don't have multiple devices from multiple vendors.Your cable company will show you that movie for free because you paid them $3 when you bought it for $65 at Best Buy (You also paid Sony, Disney, and whoever else wants in).
Its not price fixing if everyone only sells the one product.
Then it's just a monopoly with every company in for their chunk.
If all the big kids play together then no one big enough to get lobbyists can go after them for cornering the industry.Of course they still won't be able to plug what used to be called "the analog hole" since the community will build their own damn rippers/players from the chips up if they have to to avoid these schemes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725830</id>
	<title>Good</title>
	<author>whisper\_jeff</author>
	<datestamp>1263237240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good. Let a war wage on the DRM battlefield. Any war over DRM is good for users, eventually. In time, companies will start to realize they're dumping millions and millions into a system that might not be an industry standard and, in the end, never, ever, ever works. At some point, someone within those companies will catch a hint and realize it's an utter waste of resources. The more battles that are waged by media companies over DRM, the more likely that lightbulb moment will happen sooner rather than later.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good .
Let a war wage on the DRM battlefield .
Any war over DRM is good for users , eventually .
In time , companies will start to realize they 're dumping millions and millions into a system that might not be an industry standard and , in the end , never , ever , ever works .
At some point , someone within those companies will catch a hint and realize it 's an utter waste of resources .
The more battles that are waged by media companies over DRM , the more likely that lightbulb moment will happen sooner rather than later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good.
Let a war wage on the DRM battlefield.
Any war over DRM is good for users, eventually.
In time, companies will start to realize they're dumping millions and millions into a system that might not be an industry standard and, in the end, never, ever, ever works.
At some point, someone within those companies will catch a hint and realize it's an utter waste of resources.
The more battles that are waged by media companies over DRM, the more likely that lightbulb moment will happen sooner rather than later.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725780</id>
	<title>It'll be an interesting one, for sure</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1263237060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The difference between this format war and the last one is that Blu Ray, while picking up speed - is not quite at the same point DVD's were when Blu Ray/HD DVD were introduced. Albeit, everyone still had a VCR and their VHSs. And people still DO have their VCR and VHSs. However now most movie collections consist of DVD's, unless you just started your movie collection a few years ago.</p><p>Some people don't even have a Blu Ray Player - let alone a sizable Blu Ray collection.</p><p>So what happens when this new form of content hosting becomes available? Do people with Blu Rays and their players get left out in the cold? Did the straglers manage to skip a step?</p><p>All I'm saying is - we're JUST NOW getting Blu Ray to really take off, I find it very unlikely that enough people are going to want to adopt a new format so soon.</p><p>And there are alot of issues since both of these would require an internet connection to fully function. The internet may now become a common household item - but not everyone's is fast enough for you to download an HD Movie by the time the popcorn is ready - I see Blu Ray still holding some advantages over content hosting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The difference between this format war and the last one is that Blu Ray , while picking up speed - is not quite at the same point DVD 's were when Blu Ray/HD DVD were introduced .
Albeit , everyone still had a VCR and their VHSs .
And people still DO have their VCR and VHSs .
However now most movie collections consist of DVD 's , unless you just started your movie collection a few years ago.Some people do n't even have a Blu Ray Player - let alone a sizable Blu Ray collection.So what happens when this new form of content hosting becomes available ?
Do people with Blu Rays and their players get left out in the cold ?
Did the straglers manage to skip a step ? All I 'm saying is - we 're JUST NOW getting Blu Ray to really take off , I find it very unlikely that enough people are going to want to adopt a new format so soon.And there are alot of issues since both of these would require an internet connection to fully function .
The internet may now become a common household item - but not everyone 's is fast enough for you to download an HD Movie by the time the popcorn is ready - I see Blu Ray still holding some advantages over content hosting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The difference between this format war and the last one is that Blu Ray, while picking up speed - is not quite at the same point DVD's were when Blu Ray/HD DVD were introduced.
Albeit, everyone still had a VCR and their VHSs.
And people still DO have their VCR and VHSs.
However now most movie collections consist of DVD's, unless you just started your movie collection a few years ago.Some people don't even have a Blu Ray Player - let alone a sizable Blu Ray collection.So what happens when this new form of content hosting becomes available?
Do people with Blu Rays and their players get left out in the cold?
Did the straglers manage to skip a step?All I'm saying is - we're JUST NOW getting Blu Ray to really take off, I find it very unlikely that enough people are going to want to adopt a new format so soon.And there are alot of issues since both of these would require an internet connection to fully function.
The internet may now become a common household item - but not everyone's is fast enough for you to download an HD Movie by the time the popcorn is ready - I see Blu Ray still holding some advantages over content hosting.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30735330</id>
	<title>Re:DRM's added value actually appears</title>
	<author>TheTurtlesMoves</author>
	<datestamp>1263299760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its like convincing people that counting in a casino is cheating. I really seems to work.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its like convincing people that counting in a casino is cheating .
I really seems to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its like convincing people that counting in a casino is cheating.
I really seems to work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725588</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726066</id>
	<title>Video what??</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1263238620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you mean like AVI vs MKV?<br>Or XviD vs x264?<br>Cause the latter ones are clearly winning. ^^</p><p>Sometimes I feel like I&rsquo;m on a different planet than those media companies... And theirs is just about to go down in flames.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you mean like AVI vs MKV ? Or XviD vs x264 ? Cause the latter ones are clearly winning .
^ ^ Sometimes I feel like I    m on a different planet than those media companies... And theirs is just about to go down in flames .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you mean like AVI vs MKV?Or XviD vs x264?Cause the latter ones are clearly winning.
^^Sometimes I feel like I’m on a different planet than those media companies... And theirs is just about to go down in flames.
;)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726138</id>
	<title>Re:Who Won the HD DVD War?</title>
	<author>Vanderhoth</author>
	<datestamp>1263238920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IMHO, Historically it seems every few decades the movie industry changes media in order to force consumers to re-buy old movies to play in new machines. My wife has pretty much the entire animated Disney collection from before 2004 on VHS. A lot of good they do us seeing as we no longer own a working VCR. If we want our kids to see these movies we'll have to re-buy them on the popular format of the day when our kids are old enough to watch them. My wife started to re-buy some on the movies on DVD, but I told her to stop because of the imminent change in format. The VHS tapes might be worth something some day to collectors.</p><p>This type of thing is what turns me off of buying movies. What I buy today will be no good tomorrow. That being said, the difference in quality between Blu-Ray movies and VHS tapes is considerable, I just wish there was a way that when you buy a movie you could automatically get the upgraded content when it gets "re-released" in a new format.</p><p>As for the "serve movies from a central server" idea. What will happen in 30 years? Will they still allow me to watch a movie I bought in 2010? Will there be limitations to how often or how many times I can watch a movie I've purchased? I think the central server idea will become more of a convenient pay-per-view service where you can quickly access favorite movies that you "own".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IMHO , Historically it seems every few decades the movie industry changes media in order to force consumers to re-buy old movies to play in new machines .
My wife has pretty much the entire animated Disney collection from before 2004 on VHS .
A lot of good they do us seeing as we no longer own a working VCR .
If we want our kids to see these movies we 'll have to re-buy them on the popular format of the day when our kids are old enough to watch them .
My wife started to re-buy some on the movies on DVD , but I told her to stop because of the imminent change in format .
The VHS tapes might be worth something some day to collectors.This type of thing is what turns me off of buying movies .
What I buy today will be no good tomorrow .
That being said , the difference in quality between Blu-Ray movies and VHS tapes is considerable , I just wish there was a way that when you buy a movie you could automatically get the upgraded content when it gets " re-released " in a new format.As for the " serve movies from a central server " idea .
What will happen in 30 years ?
Will they still allow me to watch a movie I bought in 2010 ?
Will there be limitations to how often or how many times I can watch a movie I 've purchased ?
I think the central server idea will become more of a convenient pay-per-view service where you can quickly access favorite movies that you " own " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IMHO, Historically it seems every few decades the movie industry changes media in order to force consumers to re-buy old movies to play in new machines.
My wife has pretty much the entire animated Disney collection from before 2004 on VHS.
A lot of good they do us seeing as we no longer own a working VCR.
If we want our kids to see these movies we'll have to re-buy them on the popular format of the day when our kids are old enough to watch them.
My wife started to re-buy some on the movies on DVD, but I told her to stop because of the imminent change in format.
The VHS tapes might be worth something some day to collectors.This type of thing is what turns me off of buying movies.
What I buy today will be no good tomorrow.
That being said, the difference in quality between Blu-Ray movies and VHS tapes is considerable, I just wish there was a way that when you buy a movie you could automatically get the upgraded content when it gets "re-released" in a new format.As for the "serve movies from a central server" idea.
What will happen in 30 years?
Will they still allow me to watch a movie I bought in 2010?
Will there be limitations to how often or how many times I can watch a movie I've purchased?
I think the central server idea will become more of a convenient pay-per-view service where you can quickly access favorite movies that you "own".</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726492</id>
	<title>pr0n leadership?</title>
	<author>TiggertheMad</author>
	<datestamp>1263240300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That question suggests that they are somehow a unified, discreet group that can make that decision. I would be the first to admit I know next to nothing about political structures and groups in the pr0n industry, I don't get the impression that they are organized in that fashion.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That question suggests that they are somehow a unified , discreet group that can make that decision .
I would be the first to admit I know next to nothing about political structures and groups in the pr0n industry , I do n't get the impression that they are organized in that fashion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That question suggests that they are somehow a unified, discreet group that can make that decision.
I would be the first to admit I know next to nothing about political structures and groups in the pr0n industry, I don't get the impression that they are organized in that fashion.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725534</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726146</id>
	<title>Re:Aliens vs. Predator...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263238980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, whoever wins, we still ignore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , whoever wins , we still ignore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, whoever wins, we still ignore.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725526</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725736</id>
	<title>Meh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263236820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really don't understand this obsession with "rights management".  The bottom line is that "free" media will always be easier and more convenient to work with than "restricted" media.  Also, media will always be made available via "alternative" methods; in the worst case scenario the analog hole will always exist.  The world would be a better place if these people could just realize these facts.  Instead of wasting time, money, and resources on all of this "rights management" cruft in a vain effort to get more people to pony up, they should look at offering additional services specifically targeted at those people.  Maybe they won't make as much money, but some money is better than no money.  As time has proven again and again, these restrictions only inconvenience legitimate customers.  You can't please everybody, so infringement will always occur; my feeling is that you have to do the best you can to reach everybody, and after that infringement is just part of the cost of doing business.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really do n't understand this obsession with " rights management " .
The bottom line is that " free " media will always be easier and more convenient to work with than " restricted " media .
Also , media will always be made available via " alternative " methods ; in the worst case scenario the analog hole will always exist .
The world would be a better place if these people could just realize these facts .
Instead of wasting time , money , and resources on all of this " rights management " cruft in a vain effort to get more people to pony up , they should look at offering additional services specifically targeted at those people .
Maybe they wo n't make as much money , but some money is better than no money .
As time has proven again and again , these restrictions only inconvenience legitimate customers .
You ca n't please everybody , so infringement will always occur ; my feeling is that you have to do the best you can to reach everybody , and after that infringement is just part of the cost of doing business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really don't understand this obsession with "rights management".
The bottom line is that "free" media will always be easier and more convenient to work with than "restricted" media.
Also, media will always be made available via "alternative" methods; in the worst case scenario the analog hole will always exist.
The world would be a better place if these people could just realize these facts.
Instead of wasting time, money, and resources on all of this "rights management" cruft in a vain effort to get more people to pony up, they should look at offering additional services specifically targeted at those people.
Maybe they won't make as much money, but some money is better than no money.
As time has proven again and again, these restrictions only inconvenience legitimate customers.
You can't please everybody, so infringement will always occur; my feeling is that you have to do the best you can to reach everybody, and after that infringement is just part of the cost of doing business.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725582</id>
	<title>Slave to the server</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1263236280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Another "slave to the server" DRM scheme.  Those have a finite lifetime.
</p><p>
What's the longest-lived "slaved to a server" DRM scheme?  Has any such scheme been working for ten years?  iTunes may be the oldest, but they didn't support video until 2005, and they've been moving away from DRM on audio.
</p><p>
<i>Think of what al-Queda could do with the signing key for Windows Update.</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another " slave to the server " DRM scheme .
Those have a finite lifetime .
What 's the longest-lived " slaved to a server " DRM scheme ?
Has any such scheme been working for ten years ?
iTunes may be the oldest , but they did n't support video until 2005 , and they 've been moving away from DRM on audio .
Think of what al-Queda could do with the signing key for Windows Update .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Another "slave to the server" DRM scheme.
Those have a finite lifetime.
What's the longest-lived "slaved to a server" DRM scheme?
Has any such scheme been working for ten years?
iTunes may be the oldest, but they didn't support video until 2005, and they've been moving away from DRM on audio.
Think of what al-Queda could do with the signing key for Windows Update.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726114</id>
	<title>MPEGLA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263238800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which side has MPEGLA trying to make money on? whichever side that is bet against it</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which side has MPEGLA trying to make money on ?
whichever side that is bet against it</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which side has MPEGLA trying to make money on?
whichever side that is bet against it</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30727178</id>
	<title>I don't care anymore</title>
	<author>jocknerd</author>
	<datestamp>1263242640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've got around 200 DVD's in my house.  What a waste.  80\% of them have been watched once or twice.  I've recently purchased a Blu-Ray player to go with my new TV. I refuse to buy movies anymore.  Its Netflix all the way for me now. And in 5 years, I hope to be able to stream movies in real-time once my FIOS is at 100Mbit download.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got around 200 DVD 's in my house .
What a waste .
80 \ % of them have been watched once or twice .
I 've recently purchased a Blu-Ray player to go with my new TV .
I refuse to buy movies anymore .
Its Netflix all the way for me now .
And in 5 years , I hope to be able to stream movies in real-time once my FIOS is at 100Mbit download .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got around 200 DVD's in my house.
What a waste.
80\% of them have been watched once or twice.
I've recently purchased a Blu-Ray player to go with my new TV.
I refuse to buy movies anymore.
Its Netflix all the way for me now.
And in 5 years, I hope to be able to stream movies in real-time once my FIOS is at 100Mbit download.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30731480</id>
	<title>Re:KeyChest isn't "DRM", at least on the file leve</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263217080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As it is you can take your laptop to the park and watch a movie sitting under a shade tree. With this stupid sceme you won't be able to.</p></div><p>That is not necessarily the case.  It could allow your device to get a cryptographically signed certificate to say that you may play your content for X days / months / years on that particular device.  Low-power RTCs can keep the time for years, and could require a challenge-respond handshake with the server after a battery change to get the time (set and) authenticated.</p><p>But all this does not solve the other failings of DRM, i.e. fascist control over decripted data, dependence on a vendor or central authority to shift to new devices, and inability to tinker with your<br>media player, e.g. if you want to change the colour palette, or the way the sound level is adjusted.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As it is you can take your laptop to the park and watch a movie sitting under a shade tree .
With this stupid sceme you wo n't be able to.That is not necessarily the case .
It could allow your device to get a cryptographically signed certificate to say that you may play your content for X days / months / years on that particular device .
Low-power RTCs can keep the time for years , and could require a challenge-respond handshake with the server after a battery change to get the time ( set and ) authenticated.But all this does not solve the other failings of DRM , i.e .
fascist control over decripted data , dependence on a vendor or central authority to shift to new devices , and inability to tinker with yourmedia player , e.g .
if you want to change the colour palette , or the way the sound level is adjusted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As it is you can take your laptop to the park and watch a movie sitting under a shade tree.
With this stupid sceme you won't be able to.That is not necessarily the case.
It could allow your device to get a cryptographically signed certificate to say that you may play your content for X days / months / years on that particular device.
Low-power RTCs can keep the time for years, and could require a challenge-respond handshake with the server after a battery change to get the time (set and) authenticated.But all this does not solve the other failings of DRM, i.e.
fascist control over decripted data, dependence on a vendor or central authority to shift to new devices, and inability to tinker with yourmedia player, e.g.
if you want to change the colour palette, or the way the sound level is adjusted.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726282</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725896</id>
	<title>Re:Slave to the server</title>
	<author>Verteiron</author>
	<datestamp>1263237660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Steam's been around since 2003. That's the longest-lived one I can think of.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Steam 's been around since 2003 .
That 's the longest-lived one I can think of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Steam's been around since 2003.
That's the longest-lived one I can think of.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725582</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30735896</id>
	<title>Re:And the winner is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263305280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The one hour limit was Beta's main downfall.</p></div><p>This is flat out wrong. Betamax tapes came in many different lengths:<br><a href="http://www.palsite.com/tapes.html" title="palsite.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.palsite.com/tapes.html</a> [palsite.com]</p><p>Three-hour tapes were common. We still have about a hundred of them at home gathering dust.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The one hour limit was Beta 's main downfall.This is flat out wrong .
Betamax tapes came in many different lengths : http : //www.palsite.com/tapes.html [ palsite.com ] Three-hour tapes were common .
We still have about a hundred of them at home gathering dust .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The one hour limit was Beta's main downfall.This is flat out wrong.
Betamax tapes came in many different lengths:http://www.palsite.com/tapes.html [palsite.com]Three-hour tapes were common.
We still have about a hundred of them at home gathering dust.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725684</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726172</id>
	<title>Awesome!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263239100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't wait for this. When I buy a bluray film I will then be able to download the film to my iPhone and my netbook. Well, I will if iTunes and whoever also stock the film. And, of course the downloads may well be heavily censored versions of the film because you can't expect them to stock everything. Oh, and there will be lots of targetted ads that i can't ffwd through pasted into the films. Oh, yeah, and the netbook will have to be trusted so cannot be using that evil linux operating system.</p><p>But that aside, yay, woo, I have my credit card ready.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't wait for this .
When I buy a bluray film I will then be able to download the film to my iPhone and my netbook .
Well , I will if iTunes and whoever also stock the film .
And , of course the downloads may well be heavily censored versions of the film because you ca n't expect them to stock everything .
Oh , and there will be lots of targetted ads that i ca n't ffwd through pasted into the films .
Oh , yeah , and the netbook will have to be trusted so can not be using that evil linux operating system.But that aside , yay , woo , I have my credit card ready .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't wait for this.
When I buy a bluray film I will then be able to download the film to my iPhone and my netbook.
Well, I will if iTunes and whoever also stock the film.
And, of course the downloads may well be heavily censored versions of the film because you can't expect them to stock everything.
Oh, and there will be lots of targetted ads that i can't ffwd through pasted into the films.
Oh, yeah, and the netbook will have to be trusted so cannot be using that evil linux operating system.But that aside, yay, woo, I have my credit card ready.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725666</id>
	<title>Infancy of civilization</title>
	<author>Singularity42</author>
	<datestamp>1263236580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Intellectual property, with its artificial scarcity, seems like an indicator of an immature civilization.  Perhaps the singularity will happen before it gets sorted out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Intellectual property , with its artificial scarcity , seems like an indicator of an immature civilization .
Perhaps the singularity will happen before it gets sorted out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Intellectual property, with its artificial scarcity, seems like an indicator of an immature civilization.
Perhaps the singularity will happen before it gets sorted out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30735308</id>
	<title>Re:And the winner is...</title>
	<author>TheTurtlesMoves</author>
	<datestamp>1263299640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well it is good enough for a lot of people. But streaming is a long way from True HD. Dam most is not even close to DVD quality. Some of us want DVD or better and would pay for it. If what we paid for worked.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well it is good enough for a lot of people .
But streaming is a long way from True HD .
Dam most is not even close to DVD quality .
Some of us want DVD or better and would pay for it .
If what we paid for worked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well it is good enough for a lot of people.
But streaming is a long way from True HD.
Dam most is not even close to DVD quality.
Some of us want DVD or better and would pay for it.
If what we paid for worked.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725992</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30729346</id>
	<title>Re:Except fo Course...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263206700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>No matter how you slice it, DRM is a stupid waste of leptons, time, and money.</p></div><p>Hey! DRM enables quite a number of jobs for IT people, in R&amp;D, at universities... given the state of the global economy, we might *need* DRM!!!<br>I mean, what was that horde of respectable software engineers going to after they successfully prevented Y2K???</p><p>Just sayin'.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No matter how you slice it , DRM is a stupid waste of leptons , time , and money.Hey !
DRM enables quite a number of jobs for IT people , in R&amp;D , at universities... given the state of the global economy , we might * need * DRM ! !
! I mean , what was that horde of respectable software engineers going to after they successfully prevented Y2K ? ?
? Just sayin' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No matter how you slice it, DRM is a stupid waste of leptons, time, and money.Hey!
DRM enables quite a number of jobs for IT people, in R&amp;D, at universities... given the state of the global economy, we might *need* DRM!!
!I mean, what was that horde of respectable software engineers going to after they successfully prevented Y2K??
?Just sayin'.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726272</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725460</id>
	<title>heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263235620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>downloading...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>downloading.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>downloading...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30734572</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing new here..</title>
	<author>Mista2</author>
	<datestamp>1263290220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree. If the content I could buy was free of DRM, I would do so. iTunes and Apple have made money off me this year with DRM free tracks. I bought none while they were locked down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
If the content I could buy was free of DRM , I would do so .
iTunes and Apple have made money off me this year with DRM free tracks .
I bought none while they were locked down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
If the content I could buy was free of DRM, I would do so.
iTunes and Apple have made money off me this year with DRM free tracks.
I bought none while they were locked down.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726120</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726088</id>
	<title>Bowing Out of the Game</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263238680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No doubt I'm going to come across as a mixture of luddite and holier-than-thou.  Nevertheless, here it is.
<p>
My wife and I quit playing their DRM "game" some time ago.  We'll buy (non-DRM'd) CDs all the while they continue to exist - similarly with paper books.  We don't buy DVDs, Blu Rays or anything else essentially un-copyable legally.  In fact, we don't own a TV.  We're not going near eBooks after the Amazon "1984" debacle (apology not accepted - it shows what they can and are willing to do with their DRM).
</p><p>
We do not choose to feed the DRM beast.  While passive entertainment can be nice, it is very far from essential.  We don't need any of their video product.  Indeed, we don't need to listen to their music product.  One can learn to play an instrument and be better for it.  I'm trying to learn some piano.  I'm not good, but it is a lot of fun.
</p><p>
With the books, it is a more serious matter.  Many are essential for expansion of knowledge and capability.  So unless we can buy any particular book in paper or unrestricted electronic form, we're not going near it.
</p><p>
As an aside, it's amusing to watch the reactions when people learn that we neither own nor watch TV.  Incredulity and blank stares greet us.  Some question what we do with our time (how sad is that?).  Others start justifying their habits by saying that they only watch the Discovery channel (or some such), or they need TV to keep the kids quiet (sad again).
</p><p>
We find that it's much more entertaining to do, rather than to watch.  There's so much interesting in the real world.  It seems to us now that it's a shame not to engage in it - first hand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No doubt I 'm going to come across as a mixture of luddite and holier-than-thou .
Nevertheless , here it is .
My wife and I quit playing their DRM " game " some time ago .
We 'll buy ( non-DRM 'd ) CDs all the while they continue to exist - similarly with paper books .
We do n't buy DVDs , Blu Rays or anything else essentially un-copyable legally .
In fact , we do n't own a TV .
We 're not going near eBooks after the Amazon " 1984 " debacle ( apology not accepted - it shows what they can and are willing to do with their DRM ) .
We do not choose to feed the DRM beast .
While passive entertainment can be nice , it is very far from essential .
We do n't need any of their video product .
Indeed , we do n't need to listen to their music product .
One can learn to play an instrument and be better for it .
I 'm trying to learn some piano .
I 'm not good , but it is a lot of fun .
With the books , it is a more serious matter .
Many are essential for expansion of knowledge and capability .
So unless we can buy any particular book in paper or unrestricted electronic form , we 're not going near it .
As an aside , it 's amusing to watch the reactions when people learn that we neither own nor watch TV .
Incredulity and blank stares greet us .
Some question what we do with our time ( how sad is that ? ) .
Others start justifying their habits by saying that they only watch the Discovery channel ( or some such ) , or they need TV to keep the kids quiet ( sad again ) .
We find that it 's much more entertaining to do , rather than to watch .
There 's so much interesting in the real world .
It seems to us now that it 's a shame not to engage in it - first hand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No doubt I'm going to come across as a mixture of luddite and holier-than-thou.
Nevertheless, here it is.
My wife and I quit playing their DRM "game" some time ago.
We'll buy (non-DRM'd) CDs all the while they continue to exist - similarly with paper books.
We don't buy DVDs, Blu Rays or anything else essentially un-copyable legally.
In fact, we don't own a TV.
We're not going near eBooks after the Amazon "1984" debacle (apology not accepted - it shows what they can and are willing to do with their DRM).
We do not choose to feed the DRM beast.
While passive entertainment can be nice, it is very far from essential.
We don't need any of their video product.
Indeed, we don't need to listen to their music product.
One can learn to play an instrument and be better for it.
I'm trying to learn some piano.
I'm not good, but it is a lot of fun.
With the books, it is a more serious matter.
Many are essential for expansion of knowledge and capability.
So unless we can buy any particular book in paper or unrestricted electronic form, we're not going near it.
As an aside, it's amusing to watch the reactions when people learn that we neither own nor watch TV.
Incredulity and blank stares greet us.
Some question what we do with our time (how sad is that?).
Others start justifying their habits by saying that they only watch the Discovery channel (or some such), or they need TV to keep the kids quiet (sad again).
We find that it's much more entertaining to do, rather than to watch.
There's so much interesting in the real world.
It seems to us now that it's a shame not to engage in it - first hand.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30727092</id>
	<title>Re:And the winner is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263242400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The one hour limit was Beta's main downfall.</p></div><p>Huh?  There is not a one hour limit on Beta.  They made different length tapes (just like VHS), and had different recording speeds (just like VHS), to get up to eight hours per tape.  I still have some.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The one hour limit was Beta 's main downfall.Huh ?
There is not a one hour limit on Beta .
They made different length tapes ( just like VHS ) , and had different recording speeds ( just like VHS ) , to get up to eight hours per tape .
I still have some .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The one hour limit was Beta's main downfall.Huh?
There is not a one hour limit on Beta.
They made different length tapes (just like VHS), and had different recording speeds (just like VHS), to get up to eight hours per tape.
I still have some.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725684</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726050</id>
	<title>I don't want to copy, just to use fairly</title>
	<author>Fastfwd</author>
	<datestamp>1263238560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really don't mind paying for my movies, tv shows and music. I do regret that such a big part goes to the studio vs musicians but that's the way it is in every industry.</p><p>What I do mind is not being able to use what I have as I should.</p><p>I want to be able to move recorded shows from my PVR to my laptop/ipod/psp/whatever</p><p>I want to par a reasonable price for rent vs buy and cheaper for the electronic compressed version. Why would I pay 20$ for a compressed movie when I can get a DVD for often half that price and the DVD will be easy to rip to PSP so my kid can watch it in the car?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really do n't mind paying for my movies , tv shows and music .
I do regret that such a big part goes to the studio vs musicians but that 's the way it is in every industry.What I do mind is not being able to use what I have as I should.I want to be able to move recorded shows from my PVR to my laptop/ipod/psp/whateverI want to par a reasonable price for rent vs buy and cheaper for the electronic compressed version .
Why would I pay 20 $ for a compressed movie when I can get a DVD for often half that price and the DVD will be easy to rip to PSP so my kid can watch it in the car ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really don't mind paying for my movies, tv shows and music.
I do regret that such a big part goes to the studio vs musicians but that's the way it is in every industry.What I do mind is not being able to use what I have as I should.I want to be able to move recorded shows from my PVR to my laptop/ipod/psp/whateverI want to par a reasonable price for rent vs buy and cheaper for the electronic compressed version.
Why would I pay 20$ for a compressed movie when I can get a DVD for often half that price and the DVD will be easy to rip to PSP so my kid can watch it in the car?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725526</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30727292</id>
	<title>Re:And the winner is...</title>
	<author>ultranova</author>
	<datestamp>1263242940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What side is the pr0n industry on?</p></div> </blockquote><p>Flash player compatible files, no DRM.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What side is the pr0n industry on ?
Flash player compatible files , no DRM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What side is the pr0n industry on?
Flash player compatible files, no DRM.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725534</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725590</id>
	<title>Re:Betamax vs. VHS</title>
	<author>ShadowRangerRIT</author>
	<datestamp>1263236280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even if not codified, there are de facto standards. If the hardware and media are made by multiple manufacturers, there have to be. Even if it's just licensing a spec from the IP owner.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if not codified , there are de facto standards .
If the hardware and media are made by multiple manufacturers , there have to be .
Even if it 's just licensing a spec from the IP owner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if not codified, there are de facto standards.
If the hardware and media are made by multiple manufacturers, there have to be.
Even if it's just licensing a spec from the IP owner.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725538</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30728754</id>
	<title>What about FOSS OS's?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263204540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm more curious on how this will work with concepts to FOSS OS's.<br>On the one side we have DECE which has Microsoft on it's side whom wouldn't mind all this new DRM being used because they won't need to port it over to Linux/BSD using the answer of 'the market isn't big enough' meaning 'Windows PC's will stay Windows PC's or lose all sorts of functionality of digital media'. While something like a DeCSS hack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeCSS) could be used to overcome these problems, it wouldn't be legal in places like the US due to the DMCA and possibly most first world nations in the future with how the ACTA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting\_Trade\_Agreement) is shaping up with it's global DMCA policies.<br>On the other side we had the Keychest which has Apple on it. And Apple has shown many times they don't like the idea of there stuff being used in ways they don't appove of. This is shown through concepts of iTunes only being available on Windows and their own OS X and not on Linux/BSD. While work arounds have been made they no longer work with the newer versions of IPod/iTouch due to the modifications made to the firmwares (http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/14/1831236). Mac OS only being able to be installed on Mac hardware (while this was a more non-issue when they were using the PowerPC chipsets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerpc) which were different then normal PC's x86 architecture, the newer models all run Intel x86 chips makes this a more controlling issue then a lack of useablity. Things like the iPhone and iTouch needing to be jailbroken (no doubt will be covered and made illegal with ACTA) just to make/install programs you choose.<br>Way I'm seeing it, this is more likely going to be bad or worse for FOSS OS's with the only 2 major companys that will be effected not caring about that problem since it will only help kill the competition, leaving us back to MS or Apple. Or maybe Google but last I heard the Google Chrome OS is being made for Netbooks not full blown PCs</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm more curious on how this will work with concepts to FOSS OS 's.On the one side we have DECE which has Microsoft on it 's side whom would n't mind all this new DRM being used because they wo n't need to port it over to Linux/BSD using the answer of 'the market is n't big enough ' meaning 'Windows PC 's will stay Windows PC 's or lose all sorts of functionality of digital media' .
While something like a DeCSS hack ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeCSS ) could be used to overcome these problems , it would n't be legal in places like the US due to the DMCA and possibly most first world nations in the future with how the ACTA ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting \ _Trade \ _Agreement ) is shaping up with it 's global DMCA policies.On the other side we had the Keychest which has Apple on it .
And Apple has shown many times they do n't like the idea of there stuff being used in ways they do n't appove of .
This is shown through concepts of iTunes only being available on Windows and their own OS X and not on Linux/BSD .
While work arounds have been made they no longer work with the newer versions of IPod/iTouch due to the modifications made to the firmwares ( http : //apple.slashdot.org/article.pl ? sid = 07/09/14/1831236 ) .
Mac OS only being able to be installed on Mac hardware ( while this was a more non-issue when they were using the PowerPC chipsets ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerpc ) which were different then normal PC 's x86 architecture , the newer models all run Intel x86 chips makes this a more controlling issue then a lack of useablity .
Things like the iPhone and iTouch needing to be jailbroken ( no doubt will be covered and made illegal with ACTA ) just to make/install programs you choose.Way I 'm seeing it , this is more likely going to be bad or worse for FOSS OS 's with the only 2 major companys that will be effected not caring about that problem since it will only help kill the competition , leaving us back to MS or Apple .
Or maybe Google but last I heard the Google Chrome OS is being made for Netbooks not full blown PCs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm more curious on how this will work with concepts to FOSS OS's.On the one side we have DECE which has Microsoft on it's side whom wouldn't mind all this new DRM being used because they won't need to port it over to Linux/BSD using the answer of 'the market isn't big enough' meaning 'Windows PC's will stay Windows PC's or lose all sorts of functionality of digital media'.
While something like a DeCSS hack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeCSS) could be used to overcome these problems, it wouldn't be legal in places like the US due to the DMCA and possibly most first world nations in the future with how the ACTA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting\_Trade\_Agreement) is shaping up with it's global DMCA policies.On the other side we had the Keychest which has Apple on it.
And Apple has shown many times they don't like the idea of there stuff being used in ways they don't appove of.
This is shown through concepts of iTunes only being available on Windows and their own OS X and not on Linux/BSD.
While work arounds have been made they no longer work with the newer versions of IPod/iTouch due to the modifications made to the firmwares (http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/14/1831236).
Mac OS only being able to be installed on Mac hardware (while this was a more non-issue when they were using the PowerPC chipsets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerpc) which were different then normal PC's x86 architecture, the newer models all run Intel x86 chips makes this a more controlling issue then a lack of useablity.
Things like the iPhone and iTouch needing to be jailbroken (no doubt will be covered and made illegal with ACTA) just to make/install programs you choose.Way I'm seeing it, this is more likely going to be bad or worse for FOSS OS's with the only 2 major companys that will be effected not caring about that problem since it will only help kill the competition, leaving us back to MS or Apple.
Or maybe Google but last I heard the Google Chrome OS is being made for Netbooks not full blown PCs</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725622</id>
	<title>Re:Aliens vs. Predator...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263236400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After the epic battle between HD DVD and Blu-ray, I bought an up-scaling DVD player with USB mass storage/Xvid support.</p><p>HD DVD <b>and</b> Blu-ray are the new betamax.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After the epic battle between HD DVD and Blu-ray , I bought an up-scaling DVD player with USB mass storage/Xvid support.HD DVD and Blu-ray are the new betamax .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After the epic battle between HD DVD and Blu-ray, I bought an up-scaling DVD player with USB mass storage/Xvid support.HD DVD and Blu-ray are the new betamax.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725526</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30727936</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks but no thanks.</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1263201720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Obviously you are a lawbreaker, citizen. Please place your hands in the yellow circles and await a law enforcement action. And have a nice day!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously you are a lawbreaker , citizen .
Please place your hands in the yellow circles and await a law enforcement action .
And have a nice day !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously you are a lawbreaker, citizen.
Please place your hands in the yellow circles and await a law enforcement action.
And have a nice day!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725492</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726550</id>
	<title>Formats are irrelevant</title>
	<author>S-100</author>
	<datestamp>1263240540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>DRM systems will live in their own insular little worlds until they fail financially (e.g. DIVX disk and self-destructing DVDs).  But for everything else, it's simply a matter of firmware.  There was nothing a user could do to turn a Betamax deck into a VHS deck, but as long as the disks are still round and read by lasers, it's largely just a matter of firmware, which in many cases can be upgraded without much difficulty.<br> <br>For the computer/HTPC/media player box, it's even simpler.  Those boxes already include CODECs for dozens of different formats, and many of those boxes include near automatic firmware upgrades to permit installing more CODECs and capabilities continuously.</htmltext>
<tokenext>DRM systems will live in their own insular little worlds until they fail financially ( e.g .
DIVX disk and self-destructing DVDs ) .
But for everything else , it 's simply a matter of firmware .
There was nothing a user could do to turn a Betamax deck into a VHS deck , but as long as the disks are still round and read by lasers , it 's largely just a matter of firmware , which in many cases can be upgraded without much difficulty .
For the computer/HTPC/media player box , it 's even simpler .
Those boxes already include CODECs for dozens of different formats , and many of those boxes include near automatic firmware upgrades to permit installing more CODECs and capabilities continuously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DRM systems will live in their own insular little worlds until they fail financially (e.g.
DIVX disk and self-destructing DVDs).
But for everything else, it's simply a matter of firmware.
There was nothing a user could do to turn a Betamax deck into a VHS deck, but as long as the disks are still round and read by lasers, it's largely just a matter of firmware, which in many cases can be upgraded without much difficulty.
For the computer/HTPC/media player box, it's even simpler.
Those boxes already include CODECs for dozens of different formats, and many of those boxes include near automatic firmware upgrades to permit installing more CODECs and capabilities continuously.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726404</id>
	<title>Re:KeyChest isn't "DRM", at least on the file leve</title>
	<author>QuantumRiff</author>
	<datestamp>1263239940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't wait to register every device I own with one central authority.. Especially registering all the ones that connect to the internet!.. Bye bye freedom of speech, and anonymous cowards...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't wait to register every device I own with one central authority.. Especially registering all the ones that connect to the internet ! . .
Bye bye freedom of speech , and anonymous cowards.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't wait to register every device I own with one central authority.. Especially registering all the ones that connect to the internet!..
Bye bye freedom of speech, and anonymous cowards...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725714</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725580</id>
	<title>Let them fight</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263236220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The more resources they waste on such posturing instead of modifying their obsolete rules of operation, the more they will have to squeeze consumers to remain afloat; also laws lobbied being more ridiculous. The more attractive alternatives will become.</p><p>Makes the probability of Big Media bubble bursting slightly more likely...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The more resources they waste on such posturing instead of modifying their obsolete rules of operation , the more they will have to squeeze consumers to remain afloat ; also laws lobbied being more ridiculous .
The more attractive alternatives will become.Makes the probability of Big Media bubble bursting slightly more likely.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The more resources they waste on such posturing instead of modifying their obsolete rules of operation, the more they will have to squeeze consumers to remain afloat; also laws lobbied being more ridiculous.
The more attractive alternatives will become.Makes the probability of Big Media bubble bursting slightly more likely...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725670</id>
	<title>The TRUE standards war...</title>
	<author>jjoelc</author>
	<datestamp>1263236580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>True standards will only be set by the end users. If nobody buys it, is it a standard?</p><p>If there are 1000 Xvid copies around for every BD copy sold... which one is the standard?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>True standards will only be set by the end users .
If nobody buys it , is it a standard ? If there are 1000 Xvid copies around for every BD copy sold... which one is the standard ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True standards will only be set by the end users.
If nobody buys it, is it a standard?If there are 1000 Xvid copies around for every BD copy sold... which one is the standard?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725748</id>
	<title>A standard war</title>
	<author>Wowsers</author>
	<datestamp>1263236880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look, what happened between Betamax and VHS is well know, Sony were full of themselves with their better format, and didn't want to license it to anyone whereas VHS was licensed to anyone that wanted to build that platform.</p><p>But since then it's been easier to figure out which format will win. It's not which is technically  better for consumers (ie. less / no DRM), but which company has the biggest pocket to give the biggest backhanders. Follow the money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , what happened between Betamax and VHS is well know , Sony were full of themselves with their better format , and did n't want to license it to anyone whereas VHS was licensed to anyone that wanted to build that platform.But since then it 's been easier to figure out which format will win .
It 's not which is technically better for consumers ( ie .
less / no DRM ) , but which company has the biggest pocket to give the biggest backhanders .
Follow the money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, what happened between Betamax and VHS is well know, Sony were full of themselves with their better format, and didn't want to license it to anyone whereas VHS was licensed to anyone that wanted to build that platform.But since then it's been easier to figure out which format will win.
It's not which is technically  better for consumers (ie.
less / no DRM), but which company has the biggest pocket to give the biggest backhanders.
Follow the money.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725774</id>
	<title>Not helpful!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263237000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They keep talking about how "helpful" their new DRM will be, how it'll be ubiquitous, etc.</p><p>Format wars are never helpful. What happened to people who bought $600 HD-DVD players, and multiple HD-DVDs? Do they keep their obsolete player next to their blu-ray so they can watch 8 movies? Do they throw away the whole investment and get new blu-ray ones?</p><p>I stayed out of that format war until it was 'won.' I may have an eyepatch that helped me with that. And I think I'll be staying out of THIS one permanently, especially since it's against the oh-so-broken copyright law (unless there's some way to promise that content will always be activate-able for infinity, which there isn't.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They keep talking about how " helpful " their new DRM will be , how it 'll be ubiquitous , etc.Format wars are never helpful .
What happened to people who bought $ 600 HD-DVD players , and multiple HD-DVDs ?
Do they keep their obsolete player next to their blu-ray so they can watch 8 movies ?
Do they throw away the whole investment and get new blu-ray ones ? I stayed out of that format war until it was 'won .
' I may have an eyepatch that helped me with that .
And I think I 'll be staying out of THIS one permanently , especially since it 's against the oh-so-broken copyright law ( unless there 's some way to promise that content will always be activate-able for infinity , which there is n't .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They keep talking about how "helpful" their new DRM will be, how it'll be ubiquitous, etc.Format wars are never helpful.
What happened to people who bought $600 HD-DVD players, and multiple HD-DVDs?
Do they keep their obsolete player next to their blu-ray so they can watch 8 movies?
Do they throw away the whole investment and get new blu-ray ones?I stayed out of that format war until it was 'won.
' I may have an eyepatch that helped me with that.
And I think I'll be staying out of THIS one permanently, especially since it's against the oh-so-broken copyright law (unless there's some way to promise that content will always be activate-able for infinity, which there isn't.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725538</id>
	<title>Betamax vs. VHS</title>
	<author>PhrostyMcByte</author>
	<datestamp>1263236040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Were either Betamax or VHS a standard?  When I saw "standards wars", I thought of ODF vs OOXML.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Were either Betamax or VHS a standard ?
When I saw " standards wars " , I thought of ODF vs OOXML .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Were either Betamax or VHS a standard?
When I saw "standards wars", I thought of ODF vs OOXML.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30735662</id>
	<title>Re:Betamax vs. VHS</title>
	<author>Twinbee</author>
	<datestamp>1263303300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Formats lead to acceptance. Acceptance leads to dominance. Dominance leads to a de facto standard. De facto standards lead to *compatibility, interoperability, commoditization, and precise design requirements, so that people don't waste time designing and taking into account lots of arbitrary specifications*.</p><p>Fixed that for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Formats lead to acceptance .
Acceptance leads to dominance .
Dominance leads to a de facto standard .
De facto standards lead to * compatibility , interoperability , commoditization , and precise design requirements , so that people do n't waste time designing and taking into account lots of arbitrary specifications * .Fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Formats lead to acceptance.
Acceptance leads to dominance.
Dominance leads to a de facto standard.
De facto standards lead to *compatibility, interoperability, commoditization, and precise design requirements, so that people don't waste time designing and taking into account lots of arbitrary specifications*.Fixed that for you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726260</id>
	<title>Re:Slave to the server</title>
	<author>JoshuaZ</author>
	<datestamp>1263239460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Slaves to the server aren't intrinsically bad. The problem is that so far there's been no for form of guarantee that they won't eventually die. And in fact, they frequently do die. There are solutions to this. For example, one could have the servers managed by government agency. One would pay a surcharge when one buys the product that would go to keeping those servers around. They'd be kept indefinitely or for some very long time period. There are problems with this sort of scheme, but it isn't the only option. The upshot is that this sort of DRM can be implemented in an acceptable fashion. It's just that no one has done so.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Slaves to the server are n't intrinsically bad .
The problem is that so far there 's been no for form of guarantee that they wo n't eventually die .
And in fact , they frequently do die .
There are solutions to this .
For example , one could have the servers managed by government agency .
One would pay a surcharge when one buys the product that would go to keeping those servers around .
They 'd be kept indefinitely or for some very long time period .
There are problems with this sort of scheme , but it is n't the only option .
The upshot is that this sort of DRM can be implemented in an acceptable fashion .
It 's just that no one has done so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slaves to the server aren't intrinsically bad.
The problem is that so far there's been no for form of guarantee that they won't eventually die.
And in fact, they frequently do die.
There are solutions to this.
For example, one could have the servers managed by government agency.
One would pay a surcharge when one buys the product that would go to keeping those servers around.
They'd be kept indefinitely or for some very long time period.
There are problems with this sort of scheme, but it isn't the only option.
The upshot is that this sort of DRM can be implemented in an acceptable fashion.
It's just that no one has done so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726938</id>
	<title>Re:Slave to the server</title>
	<author>mewsenews</author>
	<datestamp>1263241920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What's the longest-lived "slaved to a server" DRM scheme? Has any such scheme been working for ten years?</p></div></blockquote><p>Starcraft's Battle.net connectivity. Was released March 1998 so nearly 11 years old. It is legally confirmed DRM because Blizzard successfully used the DMCA to shut down bnetd.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the longest-lived " slaved to a server " DRM scheme ?
Has any such scheme been working for ten years ? Starcraft 's Battle.net connectivity .
Was released March 1998 so nearly 11 years old .
It is legally confirmed DRM because Blizzard successfully used the DMCA to shut down bnetd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the longest-lived "slaved to a server" DRM scheme?
Has any such scheme been working for ten years?Starcraft's Battle.net connectivity.
Was released March 1998 so nearly 11 years old.
It is legally confirmed DRM because Blizzard successfully used the DMCA to shut down bnetd.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30730774</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing new here..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263212940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"world wide recession"</p><p>could the people who don't understand fuck all about finance or economics please stop parroting the politicians?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" world wide recession " could the people who do n't understand fuck all about finance or economics please stop parroting the politicians ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"world wide recession"could the people who don't understand fuck all about finance or economics please stop parroting the politicians?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726120</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725714</id>
	<title>KeyChest isn't "DRM", at least on the file level</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263236760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>KeyChest isn't really DRM, it's a central repository for purchase information of DRMed files.
</p><p>The idea is that companies opt into it, and then every device knows what you own. So when you go download Finding Nemo off iTunes, you can suddenly watch it on your cable box from the cable company, because they are both members of KeyChest and both know that you have a license to that media.
</p><p>Basically, it solves the "tied to one format" problem. Each file still needs a "real" DRM format, the KeyChest just serves as a central clearing house of what licenses you have.
</p><p>This would fix one of the MAJOR problems with DRM. It's still DRM, but it would be better than what we have now.
</p><p>There was a short article on this somewhere (Gizmodo, Engadget, Ars Technica, somewhere) last week. I can't find it right now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>KeyChest is n't really DRM , it 's a central repository for purchase information of DRMed files .
The idea is that companies opt into it , and then every device knows what you own .
So when you go download Finding Nemo off iTunes , you can suddenly watch it on your cable box from the cable company , because they are both members of KeyChest and both know that you have a license to that media .
Basically , it solves the " tied to one format " problem .
Each file still needs a " real " DRM format , the KeyChest just serves as a central clearing house of what licenses you have .
This would fix one of the MAJOR problems with DRM .
It 's still DRM , but it would be better than what we have now .
There was a short article on this somewhere ( Gizmodo , Engadget , Ars Technica , somewhere ) last week .
I ca n't find it right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>KeyChest isn't really DRM, it's a central repository for purchase information of DRMed files.
The idea is that companies opt into it, and then every device knows what you own.
So when you go download Finding Nemo off iTunes, you can suddenly watch it on your cable box from the cable company, because they are both members of KeyChest and both know that you have a license to that media.
Basically, it solves the "tied to one format" problem.
Each file still needs a "real" DRM format, the KeyChest just serves as a central clearing house of what licenses you have.
This would fix one of the MAJOR problems with DRM.
It's still DRM, but it would be better than what we have now.
There was a short article on this somewhere (Gizmodo, Engadget, Ars Technica, somewhere) last week.
I can't find it right now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726928</id>
	<title>Re:And the winner is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263241860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>probably some sort of web optimized standard delivered in a flash container</p><p>seriously, who buys porn? ESPECIALLY in feature format?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>probably some sort of web optimized standard delivered in a flash containerseriously , who buys porn ?
ESPECIALLY in feature format ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>probably some sort of web optimized standard delivered in a flash containerseriously, who buys porn?
ESPECIALLY in feature format?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725496</id>
	<title>Olds never die</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263235800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It has cum to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.</p><p>What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:</p><ul><li> <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Linus Torvalds</a> [microsoft.com] is an anagram of <b>slit anus or VD 'L,'</b> clearly referring to himself by the first initial.</li><li> <a href="http://www.geocities.com/stallmanus/" title="geocities.com" rel="nofollow">Richard M. Stallman</a> [geocities.com], spokespervert for the <b>G</b>aysex's <b>N</b>ot <b>U</b>nusual 'movement' is an anagram of <b>mans cram thrill ad.</b> </li><li> <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Alan Cox</a> [microsoft.com] is <i>barely</i> an anagram of <b>anal cox</b> which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.</li></ul><p>I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] propaganda diatribe <i>The Cathedral and the Bizarre,</i> is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. <i>Update:</i> Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for <b>secondary rim</b> and <b>cord in my arse.</b> It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.</p><p> <i>Update the Second:</i> It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Fetchmail</a> [microsoft.com], which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'</p><p>As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was <a href="http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/05/26/free\_love/index.html" title="salon.com" rel="nofollow">actually quoted</a> [salon.com] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.</p><p>And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming <a href="http://www.comp-u-geek.net/" title="comp-u-geek.net" rel="nofollow">homo</a> [comp-u-geek.net] <a href="http://vagina.rotten.com/fecaljapan/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">slut</a> [rotten.com]!</p><p>Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] perversion of <a href="http://slashdot.org/features/99/07/22/173256.shtml" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">corrupting the innocence of young children</a> [slashdot.org]. To quote from the article linked:</p><p>'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'</p><p>Is this why you were touching your <a href="http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">penis</a> [rotten.com] in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?</p><p>We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' <i>Is there any more doubt?</i> For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.</p><p>Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.</p><p>In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The <a href="http://www.redhat.com/" title="redhat.com" rel="nofollow">Slackware</a> [redhat.com] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of <b>claw arse</b>, a reference to the <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] practise of anal fisting. The <a href="http://www.slackware.com/" title="slackware.com" rel="nofollow">Mandrake</a> [slackware.com] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for <b>dark amen</b> and <b>ram naked,</b> which is what they do.</p><p>Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexuals</a> [goatse.fr] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is <a href="http://www.mandrake.com/" title="mandrake.com" rel="nofollow">Debian,</a> [mandrake.com] an anagram of <b>in a bed,</b> which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male <a href="http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">penis</a> [rotten.com], glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.</p><p>And <a href="http://www.debian.org/" title="debian.org" rel="nofollow">Red Hat</a> [debian.org] is secret <a href="http://www.comp-u-geek.net/" title="comp-u-geek.net" rel="nofollow">homo</a> [comp-u-geek.net] slang for the tip of a <a href="http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">penis</a> [rotten.com] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.</p><p>The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to <a href="http://www.comp-u-geek.net/" title="comp-u-geek.net" rel="nofollow">mount each other</a> [comp-u-geek.net] automatically.</p><p>The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously<tt>/anus</tt>, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no<tt>/opt</tt> mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.</p><p>More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love <tt>`man`</tt>, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out <tt>`man`</tt>. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.</p><p>Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit <i>gayness.</i> For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual <a href="http://www.amiga.com/" title="amiga.com" rel="nofollow">Windows</a> [amiga.com] users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: <i>Faggot Anal Quest:</i> the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!</p><p>Even the title '<a href="http://www.geekizoid.com/" title="geekizoid.com" rel="nofollow">Slashdot</a> [geekizoid.com]' originally referred to a <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] practice. <a href="http://www.kuro5hin.org/" title="kuro5hin.org" rel="nofollow">Slashdot</a> [kuro5hin.org] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexuals</a> [goatse.fr] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, <a href="http://www.eff.org/" title="eff.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.eff.org/</a> [eff.org].</p><p>The editors of <a href="http://www.slashduh.org/" title="slashduh.org" rel="nofollow">Slashdot</a> [slashduh.org] also have <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with <a href="http://pboy.com/shteatrfrk/images01/" title="pboy.com" rel="nofollow">excrement</a> [pboy.com]. (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of <a href="http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">penis</a> [rotten.com] discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, <a href="http://notslashdot.org/" title="notslashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Slashdot</a> [notslashdot.org] runs on <i>Apache!</i> </p><p>The <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/iis/" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Apache</a> [microsoft.com] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.</p><p>And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.</p><p>To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And <a href="http://www.apple.com/macosx/" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">BeOS</a> [apple.com] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'</p><p> <b>FEEDBACK</b> </p><blockquote><div><p> <i>What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to <i>warn</i> them of the impending <a href="http://www.comp-u-geek.net/" title="comp-u-geek.net" rel="nofollow">homo</a> [comp-u-geek.net]-calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you.</i> -- <a href="http://slashdot.org/users.pl?nick=mighty\%20jebus" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">mighty jebus</a> [slashdot.org], Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's <a href="http://www.happy.bodysnatchers.co.uk/deadcunt/" title="bodysnatchers.co.uk" rel="nofollow">vagina</a> [bodysnatchers.co.uk] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the <a href="http://www.hitler.org/" title="hitler.org" rel="nofollow">unknown liberator</a> [hitler.org].</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of <i>Baywatch</i> until the very mention of <a href="http://fotm.rotten.com/fotm/vertical.html" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">Pamela Anderson</a> [rotten.com] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual <a href="http://www.zillabunny.com/express/" title="zillabunny.com" rel="nofollow">jism</a> [zillabunny.com].</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?)</i> -- <a href="http://slashdot.org/users.pl?nick=double\_h" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">double\_h</a> [slashdot.org], Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the <a href="http://www.xbox.com/" title="xbox.com" rel="nofollow">PS2</a> [xbox.com] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, <a href="http://www.linux.com/" title="linux.com" rel="nofollow">NT</a> [linux.com] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a <i>sin</i> in the eyes of the <a href="http://www.atheism.org/" title="atheism.org" rel="nofollow">Catholic church</a> [atheism.org]. Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.</p><p>Secondly, this message is for <i>every</i> man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by <i> <a href="http://www.stileproject.com/" title="stileproject.com" rel="nofollow">a Black Man</a> [stileproject.com] </i>. Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them.</i> -- <a href="http://slashdot.org/users.pl?nick=phee" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">phee</a> [slashdot.org], Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that <a href="http://www.python.org/" title="python.org" rel="nofollow">Perl</a> [python.org] (standing for <b>P</b>ansies <b>E</b>ntering <b>R</b>ectums <b>L</b>ocally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'</p><p>One scary thing about <a href="http://java.sun.com/" title="sun.com" rel="nofollow">Perl</a> [sun.com] is that it contains hidden <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] messages. Take the following code: <tt>LWP::Simple</tt> -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: <i>There are two colons next to each other!</i> As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'</p><p>And <a href="http://www.perl.org/" title="perl.org" rel="nofollow">PHP</a> [perl.org] stands for <b>P</b>erverted <b>H</b>omosexual <b>P</b>enetration. Didn't you know?</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa.</i> -- <a href="http://slashdot.org/users.pl?nick=Eimernase" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Eimernase</a> [slashdot.org], Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I <i>do</i> know that <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p> <i>*sniff*</i> That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the <a href="http://www.atheism.org/" title="atheism.org" rel="nofollow">Good Lord</a> [atheism.org]'s work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.</p><p>However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)</p><p>In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (<b>L</b>ove of <b>A</b>nal <b>N</b>aughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (<i>i.e.,</i> kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality!</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in <a href="http://slashdot.org/metamod.pl" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Metamoderation</a> [slashdot.org]. Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???</p><p>If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived <i>forever!</i> Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>I am compelled to document the foulness and <a href="http://www.catholic.net/" title="catholic.net" rel="nofollow">carnal depravity</a> [catholic.net] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?!</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>I sincerely hope you're <a href="http://www.geocities.com/signal\_sig/petri.html" title="geocities.com" rel="nofollow">Natalie Portman</a> [geocities.com].</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>What the <i>fuck?</i> </p><blockquote><div><p> <i>I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing <a href="http://www.comp-u-geek.net/" title="comp-u-geek.net" rel="nofollow">homos</a> [comp-u-geek.net] tend to be full of. Thank you again.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Well bugger me!</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Fuck <i>right</i> off!</p><p>IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not <a href="http://www.linux.org/" title="linux.org" rel="nofollow">HURD</a> [linux.org], which is an acronym for '<b>H</b>uge <b>U</b>nclean <b>R</b>ectal <b>D</b>ilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the <a href="http://www.icopyright.com/" title="icopyright.com" rel="nofollow">Public Domain</a> [icopyright.com]. You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the <a href="http://www.publicsource.apple.com/apsl/" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">GPL</a> [apple.com] (<b>G</b>ay <b>P</b>enetration <b>L</b>icense) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest <a href="http://vagina.rotten.com/fecaljapan/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">feces-encrusted</a> [rotten.com] cock. I would have put this up on <a href="http://www.adultmember.com/freshmeat/" title="adultmember.com" rel="nofollow">Freshmeat</a> [adultmember.com], but that name is <i>known</i> to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.</p><p>Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.</p><p> <b>Contributors:</b> (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double\_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.</p><p> <b>Current changes:</b> This version sent to <a href="http://slashdot.org/~Free\%20WIPO/" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow"> <em>FreeWIPO</em> </a> [slashdot.org] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?</p><p> <b>Previous changes:</b> Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding <tt>`man`</tt> and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.</p><p> <b>ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... <i>Up your ass!</i> </b> </p></div>
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<tokenext>It has cum to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality, ' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux 's most outspoken advocates : Linus Torvalds [ microsoft.com ] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L, ' clearly referring to himself by the first initial .
Richard M. Stallman [ geocities.com ] , spokespervert for the Gaysex 's Not Unusual 'movement ' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad .
Alan Cox [ microsoft.com ] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.I 'm sure that Eric S. Raymond , composer of the satanic homosexual [ goatse.fr ] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre , is probably an anagram of something queer , but we do n't need to look that far as we know he 's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy 's rectum .
Update : Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse .
It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer .
Update the Second : It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [ microsoft.com ] , which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male ' -- a disgusting practise .
For those not in the know , 'felching ' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other 's rectum .
In fact , it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail , turning it into 'e-male .
'As far as Richard 'Master ' Stallman goes , that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [ salon.com ] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following : 'I 've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance, ' he says .
'It 's about being able to question conventional wisdom, ' he asserts .
'I believe in love , but not monogamy, ' he says plainly.And this is n't a made up troll bullshit either !
He actually stated this tripe , which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he 's a flaming homo [ comp-u-geek.net ] slut [ rotten.com ] ! Speaking about 'flaming, ' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot 's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz .
Although an obvious deviant anagram can not be found from his name , he has already confessed , nay boasted of the homosexual [ goatse.fr ] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [ slashdot.org ] .
To quote from the article linked : 'I 've got a rare kidney disease, ' I told her .
'I have to go to the bathroom a lot .
You can come with me if you want , but it takes a while .
Is that okay with you ?
Do you want a note from my doctor ?
'Is this why you were touching your penis [ rotten.com ] in the cinema , Jon ?
And letting the other boys touch it too ? We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot 's resident Gasbag .
' Is there any more doubt ?
For those fortunate few who are n't aware of the list of homosexual [ goatse.fr ] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code, ' a 'Gasbag ' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra ( or to use the common parlance , 'piss-pipe ' ) , then his homosexual [ goatse.fr ] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum .
This is , of course , when he 's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.Sick , disgusting antichristian perverts , the lot of them.In addition , many of the Linux distributions ( a 'distribution ' is the most common way to spread the faggots ' wares ) are run by faggot groups .
The Slackware [ redhat.com ] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear ' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes .
Furthermore , Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse , a reference to the homosexual [ goatse.fr ] practise of anal fisting .
The Mandrake [ slackware.com ] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists , and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator .
It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked , which is what they do.Another 'distro, ' ( abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco, ' which is where homosexuals [ goatse.fr ] preyed on young boys in the 1970s ) , is Debian , [ mandrake.com ] an anagram of in a bed , which could be considered innocent enough ( after all , a bed is both where we sleep and pray ) , until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares .
'Woody ' is obvious enough , being a term for the erect male penis [ rotten.com ] , glistening with pre-cum .
But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato ' that they use .
This filthy term , again found in the secret homosexual [ goatse.fr ] 'Sauce Code, ' refers to the solo homosexual [ goatse.fr ] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag , shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus , then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid .
The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato ' up his own rectum , squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.And Red Hat [ debian.org ] is secret homo [ comp-u-geek.net ] slang for the tip of a penis [ rotten.com ] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry !
For example , the 'supermount ' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration , which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland .
'Automount ' is used , on the other hand , because Linux users are all fat and gay , and need to mount each other [ comp-u-geek.net ] automatically.The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points .
' These are , plainly speaking , the different points of penetration .
The main one is obviously/anus , but there are others .
Militant fags even say 'there is no/opt mount point ' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love ` man ` , even going so far as to say that all new Linux users ( who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda ) should try out ` man ` .
In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.Other areas of the system also show Linux 's inherit gayness .
For example , people are often told of the 'FAQ, ' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [ amiga.com ] users know what this actually means .
The answer is shocking : Faggot Anal Quest : the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags ! Even the title 'Slashdot [ geekizoid.com ] ' originally referred to a homosexual [ goatse.fr ] practice .
Slashdot [ kuro5hin.org ] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting .
The Slashbots , of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [ goatse.fr ] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses , as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users , the depraved work of Satan , http : //www.eff.org/ [ eff.org ] .The editors of Slashdot [ slashduh.org ] also have homosexual [ goatse.fr ] names : 'Hemos ' is obvious in itself , being one vowel away from 'Homos .
' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco ' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco, ' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [ pboy.com ] .
( The best form of lubrication , they insist .
) Sometimes , these 'Taco Commodes ' have special 'Salsa Sauce ' ( blood from a ruptured rectum ) and 'Cheese ' ( rancid flakes of penis [ rotten.com ] discharge ) toppings .
And to make it even worse , Slashdot [ notslashdot.org ] runs on Apache !
The Apache [ microsoft.com ] server , whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS , is named after homosexual [ goatse.fr ] activity -- as everyone knows , popular faggot band , the Village People , featured an Apache Indian , and it is for him that this gay program is named.And that 's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.To summarise : Linux is gay .
'Slash -- Dot ' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy 's scrotum and anus .
And BeOS [ apple.com ] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers .
' FEEDBACK What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do .
I 'm scared I actually read this whole thing .
I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people .
This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this .
And actually take the time to do it too .
Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it 's early .
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotWell , the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code ' once .
Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer ( and have n't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel ' ?
) , this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race , as well as a few of the major animal species .
It has shocked and disturbed me , to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [ comp-u-geek.net ] -calypse which threatens to engulf our planet .
You must work for the government .
Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot wo n't be able to continue or something , due to legal woes .
If i ever see your ugly face , i 'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass , after it 's nice and hot , to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours .
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotDoes n't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it 's way up my most sacred of sphincters ?
You 're beyond help , my friend , as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man .
Are you sure you 're not Eric Raymond ?
The government , being populated by limp-wristed liberals , could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [ goatse.fr ] child molesting Linux advocacy .
Hell , they 've given NAMBLA free reign for years !
you really should post this logged in .
i wish i could remember jebus 's password , cuz i 'd give it to you .
-- mighty jebus [ slashdot.org ] , SlashdotThank you for your kind words of support .
However , this document shall only ever be posted anonymously .
This is because the 'Open Sauce ' movement is a sham , proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom .
I speak for the common man .
For any man who prefers the warm , enveloping velvet folds of a woman 's vagina [ bodysnatchers.co.uk ] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child .
These men , being common , decent folk , do n't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture .
I am the unknown liberator [ hitler.org ] .
ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotWe should n't hate them , we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society .
This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [ rotten.com ] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [ zillabunny.com ] .
Actually , that 's not at all how scrotal inflation works .
I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum .
I 've never tried this , but you can read how to do it safely in case you 're interested .
( Before you moderate this down , ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation , or people who pay $ 1000 + for a game console ?
) -- double \ _h [ slashdot.org ] , SlashdotWell , it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code ' is riddled with bugs that need fixing .
( The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me .
) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this , with their queer slogan : 'Given enough arms , all rectums are shallow .
' And anyway , the PS2 [ xbox.com ] sucks major cock and is n't worth the money .
Intellivision forever !
dude did u used to post on msnbc 's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotFor one thing , whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing , NT [ linux.com ] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film , enjoying the restriction enforced onto them .
Remember , a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [ atheism.org ] .
Clearly , the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor .
All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems .
It is the only route to salvation.Secondly , this message is for every man .
Computers know no colour .
Not only that , but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man [ stileproject.com ] .
Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher .
And do n't forget that slashdot was written in Perl , which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace ' for comfort.... oh wait ; that 's something all you heterosexuals do.... I ca n't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them .
-- phee [ slashdot.org ] , SlashdotAlthough there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman 's breasts , squirting one 's load up towards her neck and chin area , it should be noted that Perl [ python.org ] ( standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally ) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle, ' 'Pearl Nosering, ' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema .
'One scary thing about Perl [ sun.com ] is that it contains hidden homosexual [ goatse.fr ] messages .
Take the following code : LWP : : Simple -- It looks innocuous enough , does n't it ?
But look at the line closely : There are two colons next to each other !
As Larry 'Balls to the ' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation , Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it 's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing, ' whereby two homosexual [ goatse.fr ] queers spread their buttocks wide , pressing their filthy torn sphincters together .
They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone .
This is also referred to in programming 'circles ' as 'Parameter Passing .
'And PHP [ perl.org ] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration .
Did n't you know ?
Thank you for your valuable input on this .
I am sure you will be never forgotten .
BTW : Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars ?
Mars rulaa .
-- Eimernase [ slashdot.org ] , SlashdotWell , I do n't know about terraforming Mars , but I do know that homosexual [ goatse.fr ] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years .
That 's inspiring .
Keep up the good work , AC .
May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community , and make it pure again .
Yours , Cerberus .
-- Anonymous Coward , Slashdot * sniff * That brings a tear to my eye .
Thank you once more for your kind support .
I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [ atheism.org ] 's work , but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.However , I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus ' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot .
It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos ' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing , in intimate , exacting detail , how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals ; be they domesticated , wild , or mythical .
Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide , treating it as an 'extension ' to the Linux 'Sauce Code, ' for the sake of 'interoperability .
' ( The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind .
) In fact , sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties , ( Love of Anal Naughtiness , needless to say .
) , wherein they entice a stray dog , known as the 'Samba Mount, ' into their homes .
Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect , throbbing , uncircumcised members , conkers-deep , into the rectum , mouth , and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal .
Eventually , the 'Samba Mount ' collapses due to 'overload, ' and needs to be 'rebooted .
' ( i.e. , kicked out into the street , and left to fend for itself .
) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime ' in such situations .
Inspiring stuff !
If only all trolls were this quality !
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotIf only indeed .
You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible .
I recommend ' + 1 , Underrated, ' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [ slashdot.org ] .
Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture .
Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender ' ? ?
? If we can get just one of these postings up to at least ' + 1, ' then it will be archived forever !
Others will learn of our struggle , and join with us in our battle for freedom !
It 's pathetic you 've spent so much time writing this .
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotI am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [ catholic.net ] that is Linux , in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow .
It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment .
As with any great open-source project , you need someone asking this question , so I 'll do it .
When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready ? ! ? !
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotI could make an arrogant , childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0 , I wo n't release it for another 24 hours, ' but the truth of the matter is that I 'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two, ' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I 've even had chance to wipe .
I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel , you sexy hunk , you .
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotI sincerely hope you 're Natalie Portman [ geocities.com ] .
Dude , nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading .
Try to distill the message , whatever it was , and maybe I 'll read it .
As it is , I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time .
10 seconds is all its gon na take M $ to whoop Linux 's ass .
Vigilence is the price of Free ( as in libre -- from the fine , frou frou French language ) Software .
Hack on fellow geeks , and remember : Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins .
Those godless , oil drench , bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons ( another fine , fine French word ) and eat that .
Anyway , try to keep your message focused and concise .
For concision is the soul of derision .
Way. -- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotWhat the fuck ?
I 've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I 'm impressed .
In particular , I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [ comp-u-geek.net ] tend to be full of .
Thank you again .
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotWell bugger me !
ooooh honey .
how insecure are you ! ! !
wann a little massage from deare bruci .
love you -- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotFuck right off ! IMPORTANT : This message needs to be heard ( Not HURD [ linux.org ] , which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator ' ) across the whole community , so it has been released into the Public Domain [ icopyright.com ] .
You know , that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [ apple.com ] ( Gay Penetration License ) that is no more than an excuse to see who 's got the biggest feces-encrusted [ rotten.com ] cock .
I would have put this up on Freshmeat [ adultmember.com ] , but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.Come to think of it , the whole concept of 'Source Control ' unnerves me , because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control, ' which is a description of the homosexual [ goatse.fr ] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation , thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver 's scrotum .
And 'Open Sauce ' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later .
Obviously , 'Closed Sauce ' is the only Christian thing to do , as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about .
Contributors : ( although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit ' that open 'sauce ' development has become ) Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , phee , Anonymous Coward , mighty jebus , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , double \ _h , Anonymous Coward , Eimernase , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward .
Further contributions are welcome .
Current changes : This version sent to FreeWIPO [ slashdot.org ] by 'Bring BackATV ' as plain text .
Reformatted everything , added all links back in ( that we could match from the previous version ) , many new ones ( Slashbot bait links ) .
Even more spelling fixed .
Who wrote this thing , CmdrTaco himself ?
Previous changes : Yet more changes added .
Spelling fixed .
Feedback added .
Explanation of 'distro ' system .
'Mount Point ' syntax described .
More filth regarding ` man ` and Slashdot .
Yet more fucking spelling fixed .
'Fetchmail ' uncovered further .
More Slashbot baiting .
Apache exposed .
Distribution licence at foot of document .
ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has cum to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates: Linus Torvalds [microsoft.com] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
Richard M. Stallman [geocities.com], spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
Alan Cox [microsoft.com] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual [goatse.fr] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum.
Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse.
It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.
Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [microsoft.com], which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise.
For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum.
In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.
'As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [salon.com] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says.
'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts.
'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either!
He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo [comp-u-geek.net] slut [rotten.com]!Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz.
Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [goatse.fr] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [slashdot.org].
To quote from the article linked:'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her.
'I have to go to the bathroom a lot.
You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while.
Is that okay with you?
Do you want a note from my doctor?
'Is this why you were touching your penis [rotten.com] in the cinema, Jon?
And letting the other boys touch it too?We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.
' Is there any more doubt?
For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [goatse.fr] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual [goatse.fr] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum.
This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups.
The Slackware [redhat.com] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes.
Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual [goatse.fr] practise of anal fisting.
The Mandrake [slackware.com] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator.
It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals [goatse.fr] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, [mandrake.com] an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares.
'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis [rotten.com], glistening with pre-cum.
But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use.
This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual [goatse.fr] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid.
The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.And Red Hat [debian.org] is secret homo [comp-u-geek.net] slang for the tip of a penis [rotten.com] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry!
For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland.
'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other [comp-u-geek.net] automatically.The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.
' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration.
The main one is obviously/anus, but there are others.
Militant fags even say 'there is no/opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`.
In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit gayness.
For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [amiga.com] users know what this actually means.
The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!Even the title 'Slashdot [geekizoid.com]' originally referred to a homosexual [goatse.fr] practice.
Slashdot [kuro5hin.org] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting.
The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [goatse.fr] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.eff.org/ [eff.org].The editors of Slashdot [slashduh.org] also have homosexual [goatse.fr] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.
' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [pboy.com].
(The best form of lubrication, they insist.
) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis [rotten.com] discharge) toppings.
And to make it even worse, Slashdot [notslashdot.org] runs on Apache!
The Apache [microsoft.com] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual [goatse.fr] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.To summarise: Linux is gay.
'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus.
And BeOS [apple.com] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.
' FEEDBACK  What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do.
I'm scared I actually read this whole thing.
I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people.
This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this.
And actually take the time to do it too.
Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early.
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotWell, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once.
Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?
), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species.
It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [comp-u-geek.net]-calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.
You must work for the government.
Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes.
If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours.
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotDoesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters?
You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man.
Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond?
The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [goatse.fr] child molesting Linux advocacy.
Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!
you really should post this logged in.
i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you.
-- mighty jebus [slashdot.org], SlashdotThank you for your kind words of support.
However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously.
This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom.
I speak for the common man.
For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina [bodysnatchers.co.uk] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child.
These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture.
I am the unknown liberator [hitler.org].
ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotWe shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society.
This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [rotten.com] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [zillabunny.com].
Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works.
I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum.
I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested.
(Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?
) -- double\_h [slashdot.org], SlashdotWell, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing.
(The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.
) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.
' And anyway, the PS2 [xbox.com] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money.
Intellivision forever!
dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotFor one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT [linux.com] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them.
Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [atheism.org].
Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor.
All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems.
It is the only route to salvation.Secondly, this message is for every man.
Computers know no colour.
Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by  a Black Man [stileproject.com] .
Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.
And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them.
-- phee [slashdot.org], SlashdotAlthough there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl [python.org] (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.
'One scary thing about Perl [sun.com] is that it contains hidden homosexual [goatse.fr] messages.
Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it?
But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other!
As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual [goatse.fr] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together.
They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone.
This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.
'And PHP [perl.org] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration.
Didn't you know?
Thank you for your valuable input on this.
I am sure you will be never forgotten.
BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars?
Mars rulaa.
-- Eimernase [slashdot.org], SlashdotWell, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual [goatse.fr] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.
That's inspiring.
Keep up the good work, AC.
May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again.
Yours, Cerberus.
-- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot *sniff* That brings a tear to my eye.
Thank you once more for your kind support.
I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [atheism.org]'s work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot.
It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical.
Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.
' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.
)In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.
), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes.
Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal.
Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.
' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.
) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.
Inspiring stuff!
If only all trolls were this quality!
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotIf only indeed.
You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible.
I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [slashdot.org].
Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture.
Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'??
?If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever!
Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!
It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this.
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotI am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [catholic.net] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow.
It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.
As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it.
When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?!
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotI could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.
I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you.
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotI sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman [geocities.com].
Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading.
Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it.
As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time.
10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass.
Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software.
Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins.
Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that.
Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise.
For concision is the soul of derision.
Way. -- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotWhat the fuck?
I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed.
In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [comp-u-geek.net] tend to be full of.
Thank you again.
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotWell bugger me!
ooooh honey.
how insecure are you!!!
wann a little massage from deare bruci.
love you -- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotFuck right off!IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD [linux.org], which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain [icopyright.com].
You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [apple.com] (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted [rotten.com] cock.
I would have put this up on Freshmeat [adultmember.com], but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum.
And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later.
Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.
Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double\_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward.
Further contributions are welcome.
Current changes: This version sent to  FreeWIPO  [slashdot.org] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text.
Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links).
Even more spelling fixed.
Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?
Previous changes: Yet more changes added.
Spelling fixed.
Feedback added.
Explanation of 'distro' system.
'Mount Point' syntax described.
More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot.
Yet more fucking spelling fixed.
'Fetchmail' uncovered further.
More Slashbot baiting.
Apache exposed.
Distribution licence at foot of document.
ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!  
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725678</id>
	<title>Wrong "two sides"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263236640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The two real sides in the battle at those who are in favor of DRM in any shape or form; and those consumers who want to own and control the content they purchase.  <p>  If you RTFA, the two "sides" in that article are really on the same side, that is, the side of removing the consumers' rights for the content the consumers purchase.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The two real sides in the battle at those who are in favor of DRM in any shape or form ; and those consumers who want to own and control the content they purchase .
If you RTFA , the two " sides " in that article are really on the same side , that is , the side of removing the consumers ' rights for the content the consumers purchase .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The two real sides in the battle at those who are in favor of DRM in any shape or form; and those consumers who want to own and control the content they purchase.
If you RTFA, the two "sides" in that article are really on the same side, that is, the side of removing the consumers' rights for the content the consumers purchase.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30728898</id>
	<title>Re:KeyChest isn't "DRM", at least on the file leve</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263205080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure there is, they merely work out agreements similar to what happens when you call out of network on a phone - there are agreements in place for Verizon to pay AT&amp;T to complete calls to their network, etc.  This model works for iTunes paying Comcast some fee to allow those who bought on iTunes to play it on others (similarly, Comcast would pay iTunes for the iTunes version to be included in Comcast's sale).  This doesn't work when physical media is involved as the DVD seller would always be the primary originator, but you might be able to pay $15 for the DVD + Digital vs $10 each for plain DVD or plain Digital (if you own the DVD you are likely to use the Digital distribution less).</p><p>One issue with this is that in theory you could continuously stream "Finding Nemo" indefinitely at non-zero cost to the digital distributor, so you might have distributors charge a nominal annual fee or have to purchase X items per year like Kodak's photo site does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure there is , they merely work out agreements similar to what happens when you call out of network on a phone - there are agreements in place for Verizon to pay AT&amp;T to complete calls to their network , etc .
This model works for iTunes paying Comcast some fee to allow those who bought on iTunes to play it on others ( similarly , Comcast would pay iTunes for the iTunes version to be included in Comcast 's sale ) .
This does n't work when physical media is involved as the DVD seller would always be the primary originator , but you might be able to pay $ 15 for the DVD + Digital vs $ 10 each for plain DVD or plain Digital ( if you own the DVD you are likely to use the Digital distribution less ) .One issue with this is that in theory you could continuously stream " Finding Nemo " indefinitely at non-zero cost to the digital distributor , so you might have distributors charge a nominal annual fee or have to purchase X items per year like Kodak 's photo site does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure there is, they merely work out agreements similar to what happens when you call out of network on a phone - there are agreements in place for Verizon to pay AT&amp;T to complete calls to their network, etc.
This model works for iTunes paying Comcast some fee to allow those who bought on iTunes to play it on others (similarly, Comcast would pay iTunes for the iTunes version to be included in Comcast's sale).
This doesn't work when physical media is involved as the DVD seller would always be the primary originator, but you might be able to pay $15 for the DVD + Digital vs $10 each for plain DVD or plain Digital (if you own the DVD you are likely to use the Digital distribution less).One issue with this is that in theory you could continuously stream "Finding Nemo" indefinitely at non-zero cost to the digital distributor, so you might have distributors charge a nominal annual fee or have to purchase X items per year like Kodak's photo site does.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726282</id>
	<title>Re:KeyChest isn't "DRM", at least on the file leve</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1263239580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>This would fix one of the MAJOR problems with DRM. It's still DRM, but it would be better than what we have now.<br></i><br>CSS is DRM, but my DVDs will play no matter if I have an internet connection or not. If DVDs needed an internet connection, you wouldn't be able to watch them from a plane, train, or even a car most of the time. As it is you can take your laptop to the park and watch a movie sitting under a shade tree. With this stupid sceme you won't be able to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This would fix one of the MAJOR problems with DRM .
It 's still DRM , but it would be better than what we have now.CSS is DRM , but my DVDs will play no matter if I have an internet connection or not .
If DVDs needed an internet connection , you would n't be able to watch them from a plane , train , or even a car most of the time .
As it is you can take your laptop to the park and watch a movie sitting under a shade tree .
With this stupid sceme you wo n't be able to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This would fix one of the MAJOR problems with DRM.
It's still DRM, but it would be better than what we have now.CSS is DRM, but my DVDs will play no matter if I have an internet connection or not.
If DVDs needed an internet connection, you wouldn't be able to watch them from a plane, train, or even a car most of the time.
As it is you can take your laptop to the park and watch a movie sitting under a shade tree.
With this stupid sceme you won't be able to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30731064</id>
	<title>Re:Hang on...</title>
	<author>Korin43</author>
	<datestamp>1263214380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's what I was thinking. It's not two sides, it's three. Whatever is happening between the media companies, their real war is against their customers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what I was thinking .
It 's not two sides , it 's three .
Whatever is happening between the media companies , their real war is against their customers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what I was thinking.
It's not two sides, it's three.
Whatever is happening between the media companies, their real war is against their customers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30727586</id>
	<title>Re:Aliens vs. Predator...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263200520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>After the epic battle between HD DVD and Blu-ray, I bought an up-scaling DVD player with USB mass storage/Xvid support.</i></p><p>You're movies must look like ass then.  I'm sorry.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After the epic battle between HD DVD and Blu-ray , I bought an up-scaling DVD player with USB mass storage/Xvid support.You 're movies must look like ass then .
I 'm sorry .
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After the epic battle between HD DVD and Blu-ray, I bought an up-scaling DVD player with USB mass storage/Xvid support.You're movies must look like ass then.
I'm sorry.
:(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725808</id>
	<title>DRM is not the solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263237120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just lower your prices, it's really that simple.  A movie should cost from $1-5.  The whole industry needs to take a massive pay cut as well.  If they don't I will continue to take what I want for free.  So will many others.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just lower your prices , it 's really that simple .
A movie should cost from $ 1-5 .
The whole industry needs to take a massive pay cut as well .
If they do n't I will continue to take what I want for free .
So will many others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just lower your prices, it's really that simple.
A movie should cost from $1-5.
The whole industry needs to take a massive pay cut as well.
If they don't I will continue to take what I want for free.
So will many others.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30731926</id>
	<title>Re:And the winner is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263219840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You gotta love it when ignorance shit like this gets modded up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You got ta love it when ignorance shit like this gets modded up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You gotta love it when ignorance shit like this gets modded up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726390</id>
	<title>Re:This isn't a difficult decision</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263239880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For the first time, consumers have a third choice -- free -- and to compete with that, content providers will have to provide something that benefits consumers instead of annoying them.</p></div><p>So, basically, you're saying that Windows is <b>so good</b> that it easily competes with OS X / Linux / Unix / Sun. I don't want to go into that war now, but we all know that Windows sucks and the world is full of it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For the first time , consumers have a third choice -- free -- and to compete with that , content providers will have to provide something that benefits consumers instead of annoying them.So , basically , you 're saying that Windows is so good that it easily competes with OS X / Linux / Unix / Sun .
I do n't want to go into that war now , but we all know that Windows sucks and the world is full of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the first time, consumers have a third choice -- free -- and to compete with that, content providers will have to provide something that benefits consumers instead of annoying them.So, basically, you're saying that Windows is so good that it easily competes with OS X / Linux / Unix / Sun.
I don't want to go into that war now, but we all know that Windows sucks and the world is full of it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30728402</id>
	<title>Re:Slave to the server</title>
	<author>biryokumaru</author>
	<datestamp>1263203460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It is a statistical certainty (p &lt; 10e-11) that there are innocent people being held at Guantanamo Bay.</p></div><p>It's an absolute certainty that completely innocent people have received the death penalty (in the USA) for crimes they didn't commit. No one at Guantanamo is receiving the death penalty.</p><p>It's an absolutely certainty that literally thousands of innocent people were killed overnight in that atrocious "Shock and Awe" crap. No one at Guantanamo is being killed in their sleep, or dying in agony buried in the rubble of their home.</p><p>It's an absolutely certainty that the people in Guantanamo are receiving <i>better</i> medical treatment than the people caring for them. That they are receiving free access to education. That they are no longer struggling to make ends meet, as many of us are in this day and age regardless of our country of origin.</p><p>There are a ton of way more important things to bitch about than people being treated fairly decently for not having the good sense to get out of the way of a war zone when they saw it coming.</p><p>There's bigger fish to fry.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is a statistical certainty ( p It 's an absolute certainty that completely innocent people have received the death penalty ( in the USA ) for crimes they did n't commit .
No one at Guantanamo is receiving the death penalty.It 's an absolutely certainty that literally thousands of innocent people were killed overnight in that atrocious " Shock and Awe " crap .
No one at Guantanamo is being killed in their sleep , or dying in agony buried in the rubble of their home.It 's an absolutely certainty that the people in Guantanamo are receiving better medical treatment than the people caring for them .
That they are receiving free access to education .
That they are no longer struggling to make ends meet , as many of us are in this day and age regardless of our country of origin.There are a ton of way more important things to bitch about than people being treated fairly decently for not having the good sense to get out of the way of a war zone when they saw it coming.There 's bigger fish to fry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is a statistical certainty (p It's an absolute certainty that completely innocent people have received the death penalty (in the USA) for crimes they didn't commit.
No one at Guantanamo is receiving the death penalty.It's an absolutely certainty that literally thousands of innocent people were killed overnight in that atrocious "Shock and Awe" crap.
No one at Guantanamo is being killed in their sleep, or dying in agony buried in the rubble of their home.It's an absolutely certainty that the people in Guantanamo are receiving better medical treatment than the people caring for them.
That they are receiving free access to education.
That they are no longer struggling to make ends meet, as many of us are in this day and age regardless of our country of origin.There are a ton of way more important things to bitch about than people being treated fairly decently for not having the good sense to get out of the way of a war zone when they saw it coming.There's bigger fish to fry.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30732766</id>
	<title>Yes, we can.</title>
	<author>jotaeleemeese</author>
	<datestamp>1263226320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is no way that people with vast DVD collections will "upgrade" to Blu-Ray. Simply the cost benefit is against the new format.</p><p>And frankly, since DVD is good enough for most people, I fail to see how companies will entice users to move away from DVD.</p><p>When people were encouraged to dump tapes there was a clear advantage in using the new medium, but with DVDs we have a medium that does not degrade and that can be copied with fidelity to bits in your computer, this creates demand for DVD players that says to the media companies that they need to continue providing entertainment in the "old" format.</p><p>Unless they do a 1 for 1 swap I don't think the last incarnation of physical media will be widespread (sooner or later all access to media will be purely digital, DVDs will surely become a distant memory and Blu-Ray discs a curiosity akin to laser disc or SCD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no way that people with vast DVD collections will " upgrade " to Blu-Ray .
Simply the cost benefit is against the new format.And frankly , since DVD is good enough for most people , I fail to see how companies will entice users to move away from DVD.When people were encouraged to dump tapes there was a clear advantage in using the new medium , but with DVDs we have a medium that does not degrade and that can be copied with fidelity to bits in your computer , this creates demand for DVD players that says to the media companies that they need to continue providing entertainment in the " old " format.Unless they do a 1 for 1 swap I do n't think the last incarnation of physical media will be widespread ( sooner or later all access to media will be purely digital , DVDs will surely become a distant memory and Blu-Ray discs a curiosity akin to laser disc or SCD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no way that people with vast DVD collections will "upgrade" to Blu-Ray.
Simply the cost benefit is against the new format.And frankly, since DVD is good enough for most people, I fail to see how companies will entice users to move away from DVD.When people were encouraged to dump tapes there was a clear advantage in using the new medium, but with DVDs we have a medium that does not degrade and that can be copied with fidelity to bits in your computer, this creates demand for DVD players that says to the media companies that they need to continue providing entertainment in the "old" format.Unless they do a 1 for 1 swap I don't think the last incarnation of physical media will be widespread (sooner or later all access to media will be purely digital, DVDs will surely become a distant memory and Blu-Ray discs a curiosity akin to laser disc or SCD.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30731016</id>
	<title>Re:Except fo Course...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263214140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Very well said.</p><p>I would like to add that there is another very simple and easily understandable why DRM can never truly work 100\%.</p><p>In a typical crypto system, such as PGP, Alice and Bob are communicating and trying to exclude Cindy from eavesdropping.</p><p>In a DRM system, Alice is the media company, and the consumer is both Bob AND Cindy. Essentially they're saying "here's the encrypted data, and here's the key", and then trying to figure out increasingly clever ways to prevent the customer from getting the key. This is where the snake oil comes in.</p><p>To make matters worse (for the content producers), the internet favors the free sharing and copying of information. Their DRM system doesn't have to be clever enough so that most people can't crack it. It has to be clever enough so that no one, not even a graduate student in Finland who loves to hack DRM systems, can figure it out. And our guy in Finland has both the encrypted data, the key, and a motivation to crack it just for its own sake.</p><p>Once one person figures out how to crack the system, they can either publish the details, write a script, or simply transcode the previously "secure" content into a non-DRM format and upload it to the internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Very well said.I would like to add that there is another very simple and easily understandable why DRM can never truly work 100 \ % .In a typical crypto system , such as PGP , Alice and Bob are communicating and trying to exclude Cindy from eavesdropping.In a DRM system , Alice is the media company , and the consumer is both Bob AND Cindy .
Essentially they 're saying " here 's the encrypted data , and here 's the key " , and then trying to figure out increasingly clever ways to prevent the customer from getting the key .
This is where the snake oil comes in.To make matters worse ( for the content producers ) , the internet favors the free sharing and copying of information .
Their DRM system does n't have to be clever enough so that most people ca n't crack it .
It has to be clever enough so that no one , not even a graduate student in Finland who loves to hack DRM systems , can figure it out .
And our guy in Finland has both the encrypted data , the key , and a motivation to crack it just for its own sake.Once one person figures out how to crack the system , they can either publish the details , write a script , or simply transcode the previously " secure " content into a non-DRM format and upload it to the internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Very well said.I would like to add that there is another very simple and easily understandable why DRM can never truly work 100\%.In a typical crypto system, such as PGP, Alice and Bob are communicating and trying to exclude Cindy from eavesdropping.In a DRM system, Alice is the media company, and the consumer is both Bob AND Cindy.
Essentially they're saying "here's the encrypted data, and here's the key", and then trying to figure out increasingly clever ways to prevent the customer from getting the key.
This is where the snake oil comes in.To make matters worse (for the content producers), the internet favors the free sharing and copying of information.
Their DRM system doesn't have to be clever enough so that most people can't crack it.
It has to be clever enough so that no one, not even a graduate student in Finland who loves to hack DRM systems, can figure it out.
And our guy in Finland has both the encrypted data, the key, and a motivation to crack it just for its own sake.Once one person figures out how to crack the system, they can either publish the details, write a script, or simply transcode the previously "secure" content into a non-DRM format and upload it to the internet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30728814</id>
	<title>Damn you LISP...</title>
	<author>Stick32</author>
	<datestamp>1263204780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unfortunately, I only made it halfway through the article before I had to stop due to an unmatched '('  this 'bugged' me to the point I just had to quit reading...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , I only made it halfway through the article before I had to stop due to an unmatched ' ( ' this 'bugged ' me to the point I just had to quit reading.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, I only made it halfway through the article before I had to stop due to an unmatched '('  this 'bugged' me to the point I just had to quit reading...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30727058</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks but no thanks.</title>
	<author>ultranova</author>
	<datestamp>1263242340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Convenience and ease of use are the name of the game for your average person.</p></div> </blockquote><p>In other words, your average person would be best served by the Pirate Bay.</p><p>Disinfected - by which I mean that the DRM has been stripped away - downloads are superior in all ways to store-bought DVDs. Why keep around and insert "original disks" when you can just get the torrent, install the crack, and just launch the game/movie/whatever forever afterwards? Or, for that matter, why hunt for the Blu-Ray disk when high-def rips take a few gigabytes, can be stored on hard drive for easy searching, and don't show unskippable "FBI warnings" or advertizing?</p><p>Seriously, the pirated version is superior to the store-bought one nowadays. Has been for a long time now, and it's all thanks to DRM.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Convenience and ease of use are the name of the game for your average person .
In other words , your average person would be best served by the Pirate Bay.Disinfected - by which I mean that the DRM has been stripped away - downloads are superior in all ways to store-bought DVDs .
Why keep around and insert " original disks " when you can just get the torrent , install the crack , and just launch the game/movie/whatever forever afterwards ?
Or , for that matter , why hunt for the Blu-Ray disk when high-def rips take a few gigabytes , can be stored on hard drive for easy searching , and do n't show unskippable " FBI warnings " or advertizing ? Seriously , the pirated version is superior to the store-bought one nowadays .
Has been for a long time now , and it 's all thanks to DRM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Convenience and ease of use are the name of the game for your average person.
In other words, your average person would be best served by the Pirate Bay.Disinfected - by which I mean that the DRM has been stripped away - downloads are superior in all ways to store-bought DVDs.
Why keep around and insert "original disks" when you can just get the torrent, install the crack, and just launch the game/movie/whatever forever afterwards?
Or, for that matter, why hunt for the Blu-Ray disk when high-def rips take a few gigabytes, can be stored on hard drive for easy searching, and don't show unskippable "FBI warnings" or advertizing?Seriously, the pirated version is superior to the store-bought one nowadays.
Has been for a long time now, and it's all thanks to DRM.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726120</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing new here..</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1263238800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:</p><blockquote><div><p>In the case of the Disney approach, existing standards will be used to make the system work.  But in the case of DECE, both content and devices will need to implement a new format standard created by DECE.</p></div></blockquote><p>There lies the rub: Few want to replace all their gear just for a new DRM. I think Disne's seems the least unreasonable. If they eschewed DRM entirely, that would be reasonable, since DRM itself encourages piracy by making the legit data hard to work with and the pirate content easy.</p><p>IMO we're in a world wide recession because the Ferengis who run things aren't very reasonable, nor smart. If they'd stop worrying about pirates they'd sell more "content" and make more money.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : In the case of the Disney approach , existing standards will be used to make the system work .
But in the case of DECE , both content and devices will need to implement a new format standard created by DECE.There lies the rub : Few want to replace all their gear just for a new DRM .
I think Disne 's seems the least unreasonable .
If they eschewed DRM entirely , that would be reasonable , since DRM itself encourages piracy by making the legit data hard to work with and the pirate content easy.IMO we 're in a world wide recession because the Ferengis who run things are n't very reasonable , nor smart .
If they 'd stop worrying about pirates they 'd sell more " content " and make more money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:In the case of the Disney approach, existing standards will be used to make the system work.
But in the case of DECE, both content and devices will need to implement a new format standard created by DECE.There lies the rub: Few want to replace all their gear just for a new DRM.
I think Disne's seems the least unreasonable.
If they eschewed DRM entirely, that would be reasonable, since DRM itself encourages piracy by making the legit data hard to work with and the pirate content easy.IMO we're in a world wide recession because the Ferengis who run things aren't very reasonable, nor smart.
If they'd stop worrying about pirates they'd sell more "content" and make more money.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30727858</id>
	<title>i can't believe i just read that article</title>
	<author>iamagloworm</author>
	<datestamp>1263201420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>the article is meaningless, there is no standards war. this is some kind of promotional article to make it seem like DRM is your friend and the benefits are great. the author clearly hasn't a clue. suggesting that apple is working on something called 'mobileme'</htmltext>
<tokenext>the article is meaningless , there is no standards war .
this is some kind of promotional article to make it seem like DRM is your friend and the benefits are great .
the author clearly has n't a clue .
suggesting that apple is working on something called 'mobileme'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the article is meaningless, there is no standards war.
this is some kind of promotional article to make it seem like DRM is your friend and the benefits are great.
the author clearly hasn't a clue.
suggesting that apple is working on something called 'mobileme'</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726670</id>
	<title>Re:Slave to the server</title>
	<author>ojintoad</author>
	<datestamp>1263241080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to Wikipedia, Rhapsody has been around since December 2001, meaning it is now 8 years old.

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhapsody\_(online\_music\_service)" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhapsody\_(online\_music\_service)</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to Wikipedia , Rhapsody has been around since December 2001 , meaning it is now 8 years old .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhapsody \ _ ( online \ _music \ _service ) [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to Wikipedia, Rhapsody has been around since December 2001, meaning it is now 8 years old.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhapsody\_(online\_music\_service) [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30727034</id>
	<title>Re:I like blu-ray but I like movie on the laptop m</title>
	<author>samkass</author>
	<datestamp>1263242220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought the Star Trek Blu-Ray last month.  It comes with a code that lets you download a "low-resolution" (slightly below DVD) version of the movie for viewing on your iPhone/computer/whatever.  To the chagrin of anti-DRM activists, that works out pretty well for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought the Star Trek Blu-Ray last month .
It comes with a code that lets you download a " low-resolution " ( slightly below DVD ) version of the movie for viewing on your iPhone/computer/whatever .
To the chagrin of anti-DRM activists , that works out pretty well for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought the Star Trek Blu-Ray last month.
It comes with a code that lets you download a "low-resolution" (slightly below DVD) version of the movie for viewing on your iPhone/computer/whatever.
To the chagrin of anti-DRM activists, that works out pretty well for me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725578</id>
	<title>We vote with our wallets</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263236220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As with the Betamax/VHS formats, Circuit City's DivX and HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, the ace up the sleeve is that people always have the choice not to buy.  If people don't want a format or technology, nothing the studios or content providers do will get them what they want (our money).  They never seem to factor that in to their plans.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As with the Betamax/VHS formats , Circuit City 's DivX and HD-DVD/Blu-Ray , the ace up the sleeve is that people always have the choice not to buy .
If people do n't want a format or technology , nothing the studios or content providers do will get them what they want ( our money ) .
They never seem to factor that in to their plans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As with the Betamax/VHS formats, Circuit City's DivX and HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, the ace up the sleeve is that people always have the choice not to buy.
If people don't want a format or technology, nothing the studios or content providers do will get them what they want (our money).
They never seem to factor that in to their plans.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30728654</id>
	<title>Wow!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263204240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Although another shitty battle might be ahead of us,  for the first time I feel like the industry is heading in the right direction.</p><p>It might actually give us the urge to purchase our movies and music!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Although another shitty battle might be ahead of us , for the first time I feel like the industry is heading in the right direction.It might actually give us the urge to purchase our movies and music !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although another shitty battle might be ahead of us,  for the first time I feel like the industry is heading in the right direction.It might actually give us the urge to purchase our movies and music!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726278</id>
	<title>Re:KeyChest isn't "DRM", at least on the file leve</title>
	<author>Drummergeek0</author>
	<datestamp>1263239520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except it allows users to be charged multiple times for the same content. You buy the movie from one place. Then on every other device that you try to watch it on that does not have the downloaded file, they charge you a service fee to access your content and stream it to that device (XBox 360 with Netflix comes to mind).</p><p>The only way to distribute videos online is DRM free. Yes it will be pirated just like music, but most people will pay for their content and sales will skyrocket due to the new method of distribution. The people who don't want to pay for movies will crack the DRM and share it anyway. Studios will rake in the money due to minimal cost of hosting and no physical medium. This will also create new avenues for companies to host your purchases for streaming reasons, or preconfigured and expandable home servers with STBs that handle the download and storage of your movies. Seems a little like a no-brainer to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except it allows users to be charged multiple times for the same content .
You buy the movie from one place .
Then on every other device that you try to watch it on that does not have the downloaded file , they charge you a service fee to access your content and stream it to that device ( XBox 360 with Netflix comes to mind ) .The only way to distribute videos online is DRM free .
Yes it will be pirated just like music , but most people will pay for their content and sales will skyrocket due to the new method of distribution .
The people who do n't want to pay for movies will crack the DRM and share it anyway .
Studios will rake in the money due to minimal cost of hosting and no physical medium .
This will also create new avenues for companies to host your purchases for streaming reasons , or preconfigured and expandable home servers with STBs that handle the download and storage of your movies .
Seems a little like a no-brainer to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except it allows users to be charged multiple times for the same content.
You buy the movie from one place.
Then on every other device that you try to watch it on that does not have the downloaded file, they charge you a service fee to access your content and stream it to that device (XBox 360 with Netflix comes to mind).The only way to distribute videos online is DRM free.
Yes it will be pirated just like music, but most people will pay for their content and sales will skyrocket due to the new method of distribution.
The people who don't want to pay for movies will crack the DRM and share it anyway.
Studios will rake in the money due to minimal cost of hosting and no physical medium.
This will also create new avenues for companies to host your purchases for streaming reasons, or preconfigured and expandable home servers with STBs that handle the download and storage of your movies.
Seems a little like a no-brainer to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726882</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks but no thanks.</title>
	<author>RAMMS+EIN</author>
	<datestamp>1263241680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>``You may care about xvid and x264 and whatever other codec or container you want. But your average media consumer is more than likely not even aware of such things in any meaningful way. Convenience and ease of use are the name of the game for your average person.''</p><p>And how convenient is it when you can't play the material that you paid for anymore? How convenient is it if you can play it, but only by using one of a handful of approved products? How convenient is it when you can play it only when you have an Internet connection? Only at home, but not in your car?</p><p>When it's about convenience, widely supported, non-DRMed formats win.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>` ` You may care about xvid and x264 and whatever other codec or container you want .
But your average media consumer is more than likely not even aware of such things in any meaningful way .
Convenience and ease of use are the name of the game for your average person .
''And how convenient is it when you ca n't play the material that you paid for anymore ?
How convenient is it if you can play it , but only by using one of a handful of approved products ?
How convenient is it when you can play it only when you have an Internet connection ?
Only at home , but not in your car ? When it 's about convenience , widely supported , non-DRMed formats win .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>``You may care about xvid and x264 and whatever other codec or container you want.
But your average media consumer is more than likely not even aware of such things in any meaningful way.
Convenience and ease of use are the name of the game for your average person.
''And how convenient is it when you can't play the material that you paid for anymore?
How convenient is it if you can play it, but only by using one of a handful of approved products?
How convenient is it when you can play it only when you have an Internet connection?
Only at home, but not in your car?When it's about convenience, widely supported, non-DRMed formats win.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726246</id>
	<title>I'll M my own DRs, thank you</title>
	<author>chrysrobyn</author>
	<datestamp>1263239400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am perfectly capable of managing my own digital rights.  I don't need someone else's server to handle it, mine does so just fine.  Keep sending out encryption of the same caliber as DVDs and I'll keep supporting your industry.  If you treat me like I can't be trusted, I can, will and do act like it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am perfectly capable of managing my own digital rights .
I do n't need someone else 's server to handle it , mine does so just fine .
Keep sending out encryption of the same caliber as DVDs and I 'll keep supporting your industry .
If you treat me like I ca n't be trusted , I can , will and do act like it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am perfectly capable of managing my own digital rights.
I don't need someone else's server to handle it, mine does so just fine.
Keep sending out encryption of the same caliber as DVDs and I'll keep supporting your industry.
If you treat me like I can't be trusted, I can, will and do act like it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725536</id>
	<title>Free my media!!!!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263236040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dont want to log into check if i'm on the list.... No thanks.</p><p>Give me the damn data files... and let me do as I please.... OR ELSE... I will get that data from "other sources"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dont want to log into check if i 'm on the list.... No thanks.Give me the damn data files... and let me do as I please.... OR ELSE... I will get that data from " other sources "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dont want to log into check if i'm on the list.... No thanks.Give me the damn data files... and let me do as I please.... OR ELSE... I will get that data from "other sources"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30729042</id>
	<title>Greed</title>
	<author>Thundercleets</author>
	<datestamp>1263205680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem with DRM is that the studios, syndicate and pipes got greedy.  They tried to use DRM and the law to extend existing copyright rather than just enable existing protections.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with DRM is that the studios , syndicate and pipes got greedy .
They tried to use DRM and the law to extend existing copyright rather than just enable existing protections .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with DRM is that the studios, syndicate and pipes got greedy.
They tried to use DRM and the law to extend existing copyright rather than just enable existing protections.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725526</id>
	<title>Aliens vs. Predator...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263235980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Whoever wins, we lose."</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Whoever wins , we lose .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Whoever wins, we lose.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30727808</id>
	<title>Re:And the winner is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263201300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The one hour limit was Beta's main downfall."</p><p>Please explain this 94 minute Sid Vicious video I have on Betamax. It's called D.O.A.</p><p>Yea, thought so - they did increase their time limit around the early 80s from one hour to two.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The one hour limit was Beta 's main downfall .
" Please explain this 94 minute Sid Vicious video I have on Betamax .
It 's called D.O.A.Yea , thought so - they did increase their time limit around the early 80s from one hour to two .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The one hour limit was Beta's main downfall.
"Please explain this 94 minute Sid Vicious video I have on Betamax.
It's called D.O.A.Yea, thought so - they did increase their time limit around the early 80s from one hour to two.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30728310</id>
	<title>Re:Who Won the HD DVD War?</title>
	<author>ultranova</author>
	<datestamp>1263203040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>My wife has pretty much the entire animated Disney collection from before 2004 on VHS. A lot of good they do us seeing as we no longer own a working VCR. If we want our kids to see these movies we'll have to re-buy them on the popular format of the day when our kids are old enough to watch them.</p></div> </blockquote><p> <a href="http://isohunt.com/torrent\_details/28611661/disney?tab=summary" title="isohunt.com">Not true</a> [isohunt.com].</p><p>Now, I don't suggest that you download this torrent, as taking steps to keep watching movies you've already bought would clearly be <em>illegal</em>. I'm simply saying that you don't <em>have</em> to rebuy them to keep watching them.</p><p>It's such a <em>horrible</em> temptation to not be good little citizen and keep paying a company over and over and over again for the same content, isn't it? I mean, they paid good money to get copyright extended ad infinitum and make form-shifting illegal, no? So you'd be eeeevil to not fork over cash to them again for things you've already bought, no?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My wife has pretty much the entire animated Disney collection from before 2004 on VHS .
A lot of good they do us seeing as we no longer own a working VCR .
If we want our kids to see these movies we 'll have to re-buy them on the popular format of the day when our kids are old enough to watch them .
Not true [ isohunt.com ] .Now , I do n't suggest that you download this torrent , as taking steps to keep watching movies you 've already bought would clearly be illegal .
I 'm simply saying that you do n't have to rebuy them to keep watching them.It 's such a horrible temptation to not be good little citizen and keep paying a company over and over and over again for the same content , is n't it ?
I mean , they paid good money to get copyright extended ad infinitum and make form-shifting illegal , no ?
So you 'd be eeeevil to not fork over cash to them again for things you 've already bought , no ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My wife has pretty much the entire animated Disney collection from before 2004 on VHS.
A lot of good they do us seeing as we no longer own a working VCR.
If we want our kids to see these movies we'll have to re-buy them on the popular format of the day when our kids are old enough to watch them.
Not true [isohunt.com].Now, I don't suggest that you download this torrent, as taking steps to keep watching movies you've already bought would clearly be illegal.
I'm simply saying that you don't have to rebuy them to keep watching them.It's such a horrible temptation to not be good little citizen and keep paying a company over and over and over again for the same content, isn't it?
I mean, they paid good money to get copyright extended ad infinitum and make form-shifting illegal, no?
So you'd be eeeevil to not fork over cash to them again for things you've already bought, no?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30728706</id>
	<title>Re:We vote with our wallets</title>
	<author>ArbitraryDescriptor</author>
	<datestamp>1263204360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>But <em>can</em> we vote with our wallets?  Let's face facts, no matter how stongly you or I oppose these measures; Joe Public will probably just buy a new player with that fancy DRM stuff.  Hoping that this DRM will not be accepted in significant numbers is optimism bordering on naivete.  They will spin it as a value add, and the public will buy it.  If all the content producers come together and stand firm behind this DRM scheme, they will still make money on said public, and effectively eliminate consumer choice for us (piracy is not a real 'consumer option').  <br> <br>I think it is more realistic to think this will be the case; and in the event that it is: what are our options?  Are they running afoul of some FTC regulation relating to price fixing and anti-competitive behavior?  Or will we have to file a class action suit, on the dwindling hope that Fair Use still means something to the courts?</htmltext>
<tokenext>But can we vote with our wallets ?
Let 's face facts , no matter how stongly you or I oppose these measures ; Joe Public will probably just buy a new player with that fancy DRM stuff .
Hoping that this DRM will not be accepted in significant numbers is optimism bordering on naivete .
They will spin it as a value add , and the public will buy it .
If all the content producers come together and stand firm behind this DRM scheme , they will still make money on said public , and effectively eliminate consumer choice for us ( piracy is not a real 'consumer option ' ) .
I think it is more realistic to think this will be the case ; and in the event that it is : what are our options ?
Are they running afoul of some FTC regulation relating to price fixing and anti-competitive behavior ?
Or will we have to file a class action suit , on the dwindling hope that Fair Use still means something to the courts ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But can we vote with our wallets?
Let's face facts, no matter how stongly you or I oppose these measures; Joe Public will probably just buy a new player with that fancy DRM stuff.
Hoping that this DRM will not be accepted in significant numbers is optimism bordering on naivete.
They will spin it as a value add, and the public will buy it.
If all the content producers come together and stand firm behind this DRM scheme, they will still make money on said public, and effectively eliminate consumer choice for us (piracy is not a real 'consumer option').
I think it is more realistic to think this will be the case; and in the event that it is: what are our options?
Are they running afoul of some FTC regulation relating to price fixing and anti-competitive behavior?
Or will we have to file a class action suit, on the dwindling hope that Fair Use still means something to the courts?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726216</id>
	<title>ARG!</title>
	<author>Interoperable</author>
	<datestamp>1263239280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sorry about the title, but I get really frustrated when I hear about continued efforts to pursue DRM. I believe that producers of content should be able to protect their legal rights but DRM is simply flawed from the get-go. I know this has been said and re-said on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/., but I'm going to point it out again: the one requirement for all DRM technology is that the legitimate buyer of the content must be able to watch/listen to/read it. The technology is irrelevant; if a buyer can view the content, it can be re-encoded.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry about the title , but I get really frustrated when I hear about continued efforts to pursue DRM .
I believe that producers of content should be able to protect their legal rights but DRM is simply flawed from the get-go .
I know this has been said and re-said on /. , but I 'm going to point it out again : the one requirement for all DRM technology is that the legitimate buyer of the content must be able to watch/listen to/read it .
The technology is irrelevant ; if a buyer can view the content , it can be re-encoded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry about the title, but I get really frustrated when I hear about continued efforts to pursue DRM.
I believe that producers of content should be able to protect their legal rights but DRM is simply flawed from the get-go.
I know this has been said and re-said on /., but I'm going to point it out again: the one requirement for all DRM technology is that the legitimate buyer of the content must be able to watch/listen to/read it.
The technology is irrelevant; if a buyer can view the content, it can be re-encoded.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30727130</id>
	<title>Re:Slave to the server</title>
	<author>wastedlife</author>
	<datestamp>1263242520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Putting a universal decryption key into escrow to be released upon deactivation of the servers would probably be better. Not much different than your proposal, I understand, but far less costly than indefinitely guaranteeing the availability of the authentication servers. They could even include it in the EULA, it might even hold the record for the first pro-consumer clause in a EULA, ever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Putting a universal decryption key into escrow to be released upon deactivation of the servers would probably be better .
Not much different than your proposal , I understand , but far less costly than indefinitely guaranteeing the availability of the authentication servers .
They could even include it in the EULA , it might even hold the record for the first pro-consumer clause in a EULA , ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Putting a universal decryption key into escrow to be released upon deactivation of the servers would probably be better.
Not much different than your proposal, I understand, but far less costly than indefinitely guaranteeing the availability of the authentication servers.
They could even include it in the EULA, it might even hold the record for the first pro-consumer clause in a EULA, ever.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726070</id>
	<title>I like blu-ray but I like movie on the laptop more</title>
	<author>Fastfwd</author>
	<datestamp>1263238620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought the clone wars season 1 set last week. Price was the same for DVD or blu-ray and I do have a blu-ray player in the PS3. I still ended up getting the DVD because I want to be able to move them to the PSP so my kid can watch them in the car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought the clone wars season 1 set last week .
Price was the same for DVD or blu-ray and I do have a blu-ray player in the PS3 .
I still ended up getting the DVD because I want to be able to move them to the PSP so my kid can watch them in the car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought the clone wars season 1 set last week.
Price was the same for DVD or blu-ray and I do have a blu-ray player in the PS3.
I still ended up getting the DVD because I want to be able to move them to the PSP so my kid can watch them in the car.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726048</id>
	<title>Re:Slave to the server</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263238560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... and still as draconian as it was day 1.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... and still as draconian as it was day 1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... and still as draconian as it was day 1.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30728090</id>
	<title>Re:Except fo Course...</title>
	<author>tonyreadsnews</author>
	<datestamp>1263202200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>DRM == RENT</p></div><p>Which for the film industry would be fine as long as the cost is appropriate.<br> <br>
I really have no objection to the DRM on something I've paid a rental price for, which these days is <i>moviesPerMonth</i>/$9 which is my Netflix rental fee. <br>
I've bought ~2 movies in the last 3 years with gift cards, and recieved 2 movies as gifts during the same time period.<br>
I watch about that number of movies per month now with Netflix either by DVD or streaming.
<br>If their methods increase what I can watch at the cost point (or near that cost point), I'd be fine. <br>If they think I'd pay $19.95 for something with those restrictions, they're further along the crazy path then I thought.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>DRM = = RENTWhich for the film industry would be fine as long as the cost is appropriate .
I really have no objection to the DRM on something I 've paid a rental price for , which these days is moviesPerMonth/ $ 9 which is my Netflix rental fee .
I 've bought ~ 2 movies in the last 3 years with gift cards , and recieved 2 movies as gifts during the same time period .
I watch about that number of movies per month now with Netflix either by DVD or streaming .
If their methods increase what I can watch at the cost point ( or near that cost point ) , I 'd be fine .
If they think I 'd pay $ 19.95 for something with those restrictions , they 're further along the crazy path then I thought .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DRM == RENTWhich for the film industry would be fine as long as the cost is appropriate.
I really have no objection to the DRM on something I've paid a rental price for, which these days is moviesPerMonth/$9 which is my Netflix rental fee.
I've bought ~2 movies in the last 3 years with gift cards, and recieved 2 movies as gifts during the same time period.
I watch about that number of movies per month now with Netflix either by DVD or streaming.
If their methods increase what I can watch at the cost point (or near that cost point), I'd be fine.
If they think I'd pay $19.95 for something with those restrictions, they're further along the crazy path then I thought.
	</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:KeyChest isn't "DRM", at least on the file leve</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1263202020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This would fix one of the MAJOR problems with DRM.</p></div><p>I would stop short of saying that, and instead perhaps say that it attempts to address two of the MAJOR inherent problems with DRM.  It may sound like quibbling, but I think it's an important dinstinction in that it doesn't fix the problem inherent in the system.
</p><p>What I mean is that, on a conceptual level, all of these DRM schemes come down the the same thing: content owners introduce an arbitrary additional point of failure for when the user tries to access the content, set it to fail, and then they provide a system that enables the point of failure to be fixed under specific controlled circumstances.  This raises two inherent problems:**
</p><ol>
<li> What happens if I want to do something legitimate that falls outside the specific controlled circumstances?</li>
<li> What happens when the system breaks?</li>
</ol><p>Essentially the DRM problem can never be "fixed" because these problems are inherent in the design.  The only way to allow all legitimate uses to be allowed to is allow all uses, which means that you have no more DRM.  And regarding the second point, you can't design a system that never breaks.
</p><p>Now KeyChest seems to be an attempt to address these problems by making the system more robust and less likely to break, and also by providing a more flexible system that allows more usages within the system.  However, it doesn't "fix" the problem.  If the KeyChest system breaks, then it seems like you might still be denied access to the content you've purchased.  Also, there will still be restrictions which may run afoul of legitimate uses.
</p><p>**(I can think of at least two more inherent problem with these DRM schemes, which is that it raises privacy concerns and opens the door to abuses such as being denied access to content you have rightfully purchased, but I won't go into those here.  There's also an inherent problem for the content owner, which is that you're trying to prevent access by encrypting while also providing the key to decryption, which is a solution likely to be hacked sooner or later if people are motivated to do so.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This would fix one of the MAJOR problems with DRM.I would stop short of saying that , and instead perhaps say that it attempts to address two of the MAJOR inherent problems with DRM .
It may sound like quibbling , but I think it 's an important dinstinction in that it does n't fix the problem inherent in the system .
What I mean is that , on a conceptual level , all of these DRM schemes come down the the same thing : content owners introduce an arbitrary additional point of failure for when the user tries to access the content , set it to fail , and then they provide a system that enables the point of failure to be fixed under specific controlled circumstances .
This raises two inherent problems : * * What happens if I want to do something legitimate that falls outside the specific controlled circumstances ?
What happens when the system breaks ?
Essentially the DRM problem can never be " fixed " because these problems are inherent in the design .
The only way to allow all legitimate uses to be allowed to is allow all uses , which means that you have no more DRM .
And regarding the second point , you ca n't design a system that never breaks .
Now KeyChest seems to be an attempt to address these problems by making the system more robust and less likely to break , and also by providing a more flexible system that allows more usages within the system .
However , it does n't " fix " the problem .
If the KeyChest system breaks , then it seems like you might still be denied access to the content you 've purchased .
Also , there will still be restrictions which may run afoul of legitimate uses .
* * ( I can think of at least two more inherent problem with these DRM schemes , which is that it raises privacy concerns and opens the door to abuses such as being denied access to content you have rightfully purchased , but I wo n't go into those here .
There 's also an inherent problem for the content owner , which is that you 're trying to prevent access by encrypting while also providing the key to decryption , which is a solution likely to be hacked sooner or later if people are motivated to do so .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This would fix one of the MAJOR problems with DRM.I would stop short of saying that, and instead perhaps say that it attempts to address two of the MAJOR inherent problems with DRM.
It may sound like quibbling, but I think it's an important dinstinction in that it doesn't fix the problem inherent in the system.
What I mean is that, on a conceptual level, all of these DRM schemes come down the the same thing: content owners introduce an arbitrary additional point of failure for when the user tries to access the content, set it to fail, and then they provide a system that enables the point of failure to be fixed under specific controlled circumstances.
This raises two inherent problems:**

 What happens if I want to do something legitimate that falls outside the specific controlled circumstances?
What happens when the system breaks?
Essentially the DRM problem can never be "fixed" because these problems are inherent in the design.
The only way to allow all legitimate uses to be allowed to is allow all uses, which means that you have no more DRM.
And regarding the second point, you can't design a system that never breaks.
Now KeyChest seems to be an attempt to address these problems by making the system more robust and less likely to break, and also by providing a more flexible system that allows more usages within the system.
However, it doesn't "fix" the problem.
If the KeyChest system breaks, then it seems like you might still be denied access to the content you've purchased.
Also, there will still be restrictions which may run afoul of legitimate uses.
**(I can think of at least two more inherent problem with these DRM schemes, which is that it raises privacy concerns and opens the door to abuses such as being denied access to content you have rightfully purchased, but I won't go into those here.
There's also an inherent problem for the content owner, which is that you're trying to prevent access by encrypting while also providing the key to decryption, which is a solution likely to be hacked sooner or later if people are motivated to do so.
)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725588</id>
	<title>DRM's added value actually appears</title>
	<author>Sockatume</author>
	<datestamp>1263236280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They've got some cheek, acting like letting us view the same content on multiple devices is an amazing new revolution. We could do that before DRM, and it would've been easy for them to manage DRM such that people could grab more authorised, licenced copies in different formats. That's the whole point of having a licence instead of a physical product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 've got some cheek , acting like letting us view the same content on multiple devices is an amazing new revolution .
We could do that before DRM , and it would 've been easy for them to manage DRM such that people could grab more authorised , licenced copies in different formats .
That 's the whole point of having a licence instead of a physical product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They've got some cheek, acting like letting us view the same content on multiple devices is an amazing new revolution.
We could do that before DRM, and it would've been easy for them to manage DRM such that people could grab more authorised, licenced copies in different formats.
That's the whole point of having a licence instead of a physical product.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726314</id>
	<title>Which plummeting sales?</title>
	<author>JerryLove</author>
	<datestamp>1263239640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Instead, what's involved are two different approaches intended to help content vendors somehow survive in the face of plummeting revenues</p> </div><p> 2010 was a record year at the box office and (I believe) the video store. Where's the damage that they are attempting to mitigate?</p><p>DRM just seems like a way to force me to rebuy what I already own 10 years from now.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead , what 's involved are two different approaches intended to help content vendors somehow survive in the face of plummeting revenues 2010 was a record year at the box office and ( I believe ) the video store .
Where 's the damage that they are attempting to mitigate ? DRM just seems like a way to force me to rebuy what I already own 10 years from now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead, what's involved are two different approaches intended to help content vendors somehow survive in the face of plummeting revenues  2010 was a record year at the box office and (I believe) the video store.
Where's the damage that they are attempting to mitigate?DRM just seems like a way to force me to rebuy what I already own 10 years from now.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30726178</id>
	<title>Re:KeyChest isn't "DRM", at least on the file leve</title>
	<author>darthnoodles</author>
	<datestamp>1263239100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>And all of this means that NOBODY will support it.  There is no way that the cable company, or iTunes will show you a movie for free because you purchased a copy from Best Buy or something and registered the key when you brought it home.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And all of this means that NOBODY will support it .
There is no way that the cable company , or iTunes will show you a movie for free because you purchased a copy from Best Buy or something and registered the key when you brought it home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And all of this means that NOBODY will support it.
There is no way that the cable company, or iTunes will show you a movie for free because you purchased a copy from Best Buy or something and registered the key when you brought it home.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725522</id>
	<title>Nothing new here..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263235980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Disney always tries their own thing... (and fails)</p><p>Its like when they tried to add crap to DVDs so that would stop working after a limited number of plays.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Disney always tries their own thing... ( and fails ) Its like when they tried to add crap to DVDs so that would stop working after a limited number of plays .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Disney always tries their own thing... (and fails)Its like when they tried to add crap to DVDs so that would stop working after a limited number of plays.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30730608</id>
	<title>They already had functional DRM.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263212100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They solved the DRM problem decades ago.  Macrovision worked.  DVD\_CSS works.</p><p>They both stopped people from making casual copies.</p><p>I don't understand this drive for unbreakable DRM.  It can't work.  At some point you must possess both the lock and key in order to view the content.</p><p>You're never going to stop the motivated ones.  Someone will always break the DRM.  If for no other reason than to prove they can.</p><p>Both macrovision and DVD\_CSS stop the casual copier and unless you tried to copy you didn't even know they were there.  You still had your rights of first sale.  You could play on any device.  You could lend it out.</p><p>The only flaw they both have is the physical media requirement.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They solved the DRM problem decades ago .
Macrovision worked .
DVD \ _CSS works.They both stopped people from making casual copies.I do n't understand this drive for unbreakable DRM .
It ca n't work .
At some point you must possess both the lock and key in order to view the content.You 're never going to stop the motivated ones .
Someone will always break the DRM .
If for no other reason than to prove they can.Both macrovision and DVD \ _CSS stop the casual copier and unless you tried to copy you did n't even know they were there .
You still had your rights of first sale .
You could play on any device .
You could lend it out.The only flaw they both have is the physical media requirement .
     </tokentext>
<sentencetext>They solved the DRM problem decades ago.
Macrovision worked.
DVD\_CSS works.They both stopped people from making casual copies.I don't understand this drive for unbreakable DRM.
It can't work.
At some point you must possess both the lock and key in order to view the content.You're never going to stop the motivated ones.
Someone will always break the DRM.
If for no other reason than to prove they can.Both macrovision and DVD\_CSS stop the casual copier and unless you tried to copy you didn't even know they were there.
You still had your rights of first sale.
You could play on any device.
You could lend it out.The only flaw they both have is the physical media requirement.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725744</id>
	<title>Who Won the HD DVD War?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263236880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Toshiba's HD DVD format obviously didn't win, but then it doesn't really seem like Sony's Blu-Ray did either.  Plain old DVD still seems to be kicking Blu-Ray's ass, the DVDs on store shelves dominate the pathetic space where you can find overpriced Blu-Ray disks, Netflix is still geared toward DVD, etc.  Nobody that cares even the slightest bit about DRM goes anywhere near Blu-Ray.  So what's the deal?  Is DVD going to to disappear or will Blu-Ray be like an ostracized guy in a suit at a rave indefinitely?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Toshiba 's HD DVD format obviously did n't win , but then it does n't really seem like Sony 's Blu-Ray did either .
Plain old DVD still seems to be kicking Blu-Ray 's ass , the DVDs on store shelves dominate the pathetic space where you can find overpriced Blu-Ray disks , Netflix is still geared toward DVD , etc .
Nobody that cares even the slightest bit about DRM goes anywhere near Blu-Ray .
So what 's the deal ?
Is DVD going to to disappear or will Blu-Ray be like an ostracized guy in a suit at a rave indefinitely ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Toshiba's HD DVD format obviously didn't win, but then it doesn't really seem like Sony's Blu-Ray did either.
Plain old DVD still seems to be kicking Blu-Ray's ass, the DVDs on store shelves dominate the pathetic space where you can find overpriced Blu-Ray disks, Netflix is still geared toward DVD, etc.
Nobody that cares even the slightest bit about DRM goes anywhere near Blu-Ray.
So what's the deal?
Is DVD going to to disappear or will Blu-Ray be like an ostracized guy in a suit at a rave indefinitely?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725620</id>
	<title>The only good new here</title>
	<author>Nerdfest</author>
	<datestamp>1263236400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The only good news here is that is actually possible for both of them to lose<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... if consumers don't buy into either scheme.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only good news here is that is actually possible for both of them to lose ... if consumers do n't buy into either scheme .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only good news here is that is actually possible for both of them to lose ... if consumers don't buy into either scheme.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_163222.30725534</id>
	<title>And the winner is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263236040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What side is the pr0n industry on?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What side is the pr0n industry on ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What side is the pr0n industry on?</sentencetext>
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