<article>
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	<title>Mexico Wants Payment For Aztec Images<span class="vballoon-marquee rd\_5"><span>Comments:</span><a href="#">325</a></span></title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1262965440000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>innocent\_white\_lamb writes <i>"Starbucks brought out a line of cups with prehistoric Aztec images on them.  Now the government of Mexico wants them to <a href="http://money.canoe.ca/News/Other/2010/01/06/12373111-ap.html">pay for the use of the images</a>. Does the copyright on an image last hundreds of years?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>innocent \ _white \ _lamb writes " Starbucks brought out a line of cups with prehistoric Aztec images on them .
Now the government of Mexico wants them to pay for the use of the images .
Does the copyright on an image last hundreds of years ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>innocent\_white\_lamb writes "Starbucks brought out a line of cups with prehistoric Aztec images on them.
Now the government of Mexico wants them to pay for the use of the images.
Does the copyright on an image last hundreds of years?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30698036</id>
	<title>Re:Did the Aztec have a concept of copyright?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262980080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm not certain why a comparison to the Nazis' methods is meaningful. By that standard, reports of deaths in every major battle in history are wrong, because you can only kill 4,000 people a day. I'm pretty sure there are ways to kill tens of thousands of people in a single day that would have be possible in the 1400s as long as you had enough help.</p></div><p>I suspect he didn't intend that comparison, but rather a comparison of methods to illustrate the unlikelihood of the numbers being correct:  one guy with a stone knife compared to a concerted effort using several gas chambers.<br>
<br>
- T<br>
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OT:  I guess I've never commented in "Idle" before - what's up with the ridiculously small comment box?  Is someone compensating for a gargantuan penis?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not certain why a comparison to the Nazis ' methods is meaningful .
By that standard , reports of deaths in every major battle in history are wrong , because you can only kill 4,000 people a day .
I 'm pretty sure there are ways to kill tens of thousands of people in a single day that would have be possible in the 1400s as long as you had enough help.I suspect he did n't intend that comparison , but rather a comparison of methods to illustrate the unlikelihood of the numbers being correct : one guy with a stone knife compared to a concerted effort using several gas chambers .
- T OT : I guess I 've never commented in " Idle " before - what 's up with the ridiculously small comment box ?
Is someone compensating for a gargantuan penis ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not certain why a comparison to the Nazis' methods is meaningful.
By that standard, reports of deaths in every major battle in history are wrong, because you can only kill 4,000 people a day.
I'm pretty sure there are ways to kill tens of thousands of people in a single day that would have be possible in the 1400s as long as you had enough help.I suspect he didn't intend that comparison, but rather a comparison of methods to illustrate the unlikelihood of the numbers being correct:  one guy with a stone knife compared to a concerted effort using several gas chambers.
- T

OT:  I guess I've never commented in "Idle" before - what's up with the ridiculously small comment box?
Is someone compensating for a gargantuan penis?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30695312</id>
	<title>Mexican :D</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262969580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You people are stupid, first of all the aztec images are not prehistoric, you didnt see any aztecs running around some giant dinosaurs do you?<br>The aztec were the rulers of Mesoamerica by the time Colombus discovered the continent. That's... i don't know... 1492? Pretty prehistoric for me.<br>I'm with the mexican government, Starbucks doesn't have in any way any rights of the images, those images belong to the mexican people.</p><p>Mexico FTW!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You people are stupid , first of all the aztec images are not prehistoric , you didnt see any aztecs running around some giant dinosaurs do you ? The aztec were the rulers of Mesoamerica by the time Colombus discovered the continent .
That 's... i do n't know... 1492 ? Pretty prehistoric for me.I 'm with the mexican government , Starbucks does n't have in any way any rights of the images , those images belong to the mexican people.Mexico FTW ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You people are stupid, first of all the aztec images are not prehistoric, you didnt see any aztecs running around some giant dinosaurs do you?The aztec were the rulers of Mesoamerica by the time Colombus discovered the continent.
That's... i don't know... 1492? Pretty prehistoric for me.I'm with the mexican government, Starbucks doesn't have in any way any rights of the images, those images belong to the mexican people.Mexico FTW!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30699638</id>
	<title>I think the images used are owned by the INAH</title>
	<author>donaji</author>
	<datestamp>1262943660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yesterday I saw this in a newspaper here in Mexico and at first it sounded absurd to me, but I think/read that what happened it's that Starbucks used images taken/used by the INAH not ones that were taken for them, so the INAH wants Starbucks to pay for the use of the images, not because the images are aztec/teotihuacanas but because these particular images are owned by the INAH.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yesterday I saw this in a newspaper here in Mexico and at first it sounded absurd to me , but I think/read that what happened it 's that Starbucks used images taken/used by the INAH not ones that were taken for them , so the INAH wants Starbucks to pay for the use of the images , not because the images are aztec/teotihuacanas but because these particular images are owned by the INAH .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yesterday I saw this in a newspaper here in Mexico and at first it sounded absurd to me, but I think/read that what happened it's that Starbucks used images taken/used by the INAH not ones that were taken for them, so the INAH wants Starbucks to pay for the use of the images, not because the images are aztec/teotihuacanas but because these particular images are owned by the INAH.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691090</id>
	<title>How to resolve the US Deficit...</title>
	<author>sonamchauhan</author>
	<datestamp>1262888580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just pay the US royalties on blue jeans</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just pay the US royalties on blue jeans</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just pay the US royalties on blue jeans</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30696554</id>
	<title>What is the world coming to?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262974140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First we have the story on a government planting explosives on unsuspecting passengers, now we have another one demanding copyrights from images based on a time before said government existed.</p><p>Is this April 1st?  What in the heck is happening here???</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First we have the story on a government planting explosives on unsuspecting passengers , now we have another one demanding copyrights from images based on a time before said government existed.Is this April 1st ?
What in the heck is happening here ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First we have the story on a government planting explosives on unsuspecting passengers, now we have another one demanding copyrights from images based on a time before said government existed.Is this April 1st?
What in the heck is happening here??
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691522</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>nanahuatzin</author>
	<datestamp>1262981100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>if you go to a museum, some make a small charge for taking photographs.... and some do not allow any photograhs withuth permition of the owners...

is not very different...</htmltext>
<tokenext>if you go to a museum , some make a small charge for taking photographs.... and some do not allow any photograhs withuth permition of the owners.. . is not very different.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if you go to a museum, some make a small charge for taking photographs.... and some do not allow any photograhs withuth permition of the owners...

is not very different...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30692676</id>
	<title>what is really about?</title>
	<author>nanahuatzin</author>
	<datestamp>1262953320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>the law involved has nothing to do with copyright. <p>
<a href="http://www.cnmh.inah.gob.mx/ponencias/630.html" title="inah.gob.mx" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnmh.inah.gob.mx/ponencias/630.html</a> [inah.gob.mx]
</p><p>
it is the "La Ley Federal sobre Monumentos y Zonas Arqueol&#243;gicos, Art&#237;sticos e Hist&#243;ricos"<br>
(federal law for monuments and archeological , artistics and historic sites)
</p><p>
It has the purpose of protect the national heritage. And what it is asking is a fee for taking the photographs for comercial use, stating what use would you give to it.
It is no very high, and nowhere it goe to the amount if it were a copyright...
</p><p>
While Starbucks claimed the INAH had not gave them permision, i guess they did not made the correct way. the permision should not take more than five days.
And if should cost form 100 to 250$ per image (for comercial use). For private of fair use, you do not need to pay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the law involved has nothing to do with copyright .
http : //www.cnmh.inah.gob.mx/ponencias/630.html [ inah.gob.mx ] it is the " La Ley Federal sobre Monumentos y Zonas Arqueol   gicos , Art   sticos e Hist   ricos " ( federal law for monuments and archeological , artistics and historic sites ) It has the purpose of protect the national heritage .
And what it is asking is a fee for taking the photographs for comercial use , stating what use would you give to it .
It is no very high , and nowhere it goe to the amount if it were a copyright.. . While Starbucks claimed the INAH had not gave them permision , i guess they did not made the correct way .
the permision should not take more than five days .
And if should cost form 100 to 250 $ per image ( for comercial use ) .
For private of fair use , you do not need to pay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the law involved has nothing to do with copyright.
http://www.cnmh.inah.gob.mx/ponencias/630.html [inah.gob.mx]

it is the "La Ley Federal sobre Monumentos y Zonas Arqueológicos, Artísticos e Históricos"
(federal law for monuments and archeological , artistics and historic sites)

It has the purpose of protect the national heritage.
And what it is asking is a fee for taking the photographs for comercial use, stating what use would you give to it.
It is no very high, and nowhere it goe to the amount if it were a copyright...

While Starbucks claimed the INAH had not gave them permision, i guess they did not made the correct way.
the permision should not take more than five days.
And if should cost form 100 to 250$ per image (for comercial use).
For private of fair use, you do not need to pay.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691546</id>
	<title>hmmm</title>
	<author>thatskinnyguy</author>
	<datestamp>1262981460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's almost hilarious that a government that existed after the Aztecs wants money for the images of their predecessors... Am I missing something here? Or am I laughing by myself?</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's almost hilarious that a government that existed after the Aztecs wants money for the images of their predecessors... Am I missing something here ?
Or am I laughing by myself ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's almost hilarious that a government that existed after the Aztecs wants money for the images of their predecessors... Am I missing something here?
Or am I laughing by myself?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690982</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262886660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Damn, and I was trying to kludge up a car anaology.  Hehe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn , and I was trying to kludge up a car anaology .
Hehe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn, and I was trying to kludge up a car anaology.
Hehe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691710</id>
	<title>I agree</title>
	<author>findoutmoretoday</author>
	<datestamp>1262983680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>National iconography should be protected from redefinition, abuse and from corporate marketing departments.<br>This being said, I am still waiting when I can publish my, adult only, Mickey Mouse movie : "On Santa's knees".</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>National iconography should be protected from redefinition , abuse and from corporate marketing departments.This being said , I am still waiting when I can publish my , adult only , Mickey Mouse movie : " On Santa 's knees " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>National iconography should be protected from redefinition, abuse and from corporate marketing departments.This being said, I am still waiting when I can publish my, adult only, Mickey Mouse movie : "On Santa's knees".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690892</id>
	<title>So they can give it to the tribes, right?</title>
	<author>rdmiller3</author>
	<datestamp>1262885580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course, the Mexican government is going to be sure and give that money to the indiginous tribes, the descendants of the original artists, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , the Mexican government is going to be sure and give that money to the indiginous tribes , the descendants of the original artists , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, the Mexican government is going to be sure and give that money to the indiginous tribes, the descendants of the original artists, right?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30695842</id>
	<title>Dangerous Precedant</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262971380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If for some reason Mexico won, this would set a very dangerous precedent.</p><p>Should Egypt sue the US for using images of the pyramids on currency?</p><p>This stinks like a stereotypical Corrupt Mexican Police shakedown... Stopping you for speeding, but unless you give them all the cash you have on hand they will lock you up and trump up additional charges.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If for some reason Mexico won , this would set a very dangerous precedent.Should Egypt sue the US for using images of the pyramids on currency ? This stinks like a stereotypical Corrupt Mexican Police shakedown... Stopping you for speeding , but unless you give them all the cash you have on hand they will lock you up and trump up additional charges .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If for some reason Mexico won, this would set a very dangerous precedent.Should Egypt sue the US for using images of the pyramids on currency?This stinks like a stereotypical Corrupt Mexican Police shakedown... Stopping you for speeding, but unless you give them all the cash you have on hand they will lock you up and trump up additional charges.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30697332</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>Improv</author>
	<datestamp>1262977260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nice post. If I had any mod points atm, and if you wern't already at 5, I'd mod you up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice post .
If I had any mod points atm , and if you wer n't already at 5 , I 'd mod you up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice post.
If I had any mod points atm, and if you wern't already at 5, I'd mod you up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30693316</id>
	<title>Re:Did the Aztec have a concept of copyright?</title>
	<author>SlappyBastard</author>
	<datestamp>1262960100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A few thoughts . .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.</p><p>1.  The Aztecs were the ones prone to reporting the high numbers.  Kinda disturbing when you think about it.  More important, it proves the sacrifice story wasn't just a sort of blood libel.</p><p>I won't say that it isn't possible that self-reporting yielded bad data.  But, it says a great deal about the Aztecs that they bragged about doing this.</p><p>2.  I'm not certain why a comparison to the Nazis' methods is meaningful.  By that standard, reports of deaths in every major battle in history are wrong, because you can only kill 4,000 people a day.  I'm pretty sure there are ways to kill tens of thousands of people in a single day that would have be possible in the 1400s as long as you had enough help.</p><p>3.  The Tlaxcalans thing was just a joke.</p><p>4.  All things being equal, it seems the locals were ready for an end to human sacrifice.  You don't see much evidence that the Spanish had to struggle to end the practice once they took control of central Mexico.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A few thoughts .
. .1 .
The Aztecs were the ones prone to reporting the high numbers .
Kinda disturbing when you think about it .
More important , it proves the sacrifice story was n't just a sort of blood libel.I wo n't say that it is n't possible that self-reporting yielded bad data .
But , it says a great deal about the Aztecs that they bragged about doing this.2 .
I 'm not certain why a comparison to the Nazis ' methods is meaningful .
By that standard , reports of deaths in every major battle in history are wrong , because you can only kill 4,000 people a day .
I 'm pretty sure there are ways to kill tens of thousands of people in a single day that would have be possible in the 1400s as long as you had enough help.3 .
The Tlaxcalans thing was just a joke.4 .
All things being equal , it seems the locals were ready for an end to human sacrifice .
You do n't see much evidence that the Spanish had to struggle to end the practice once they took control of central Mexico .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A few thoughts .
. .1.
The Aztecs were the ones prone to reporting the high numbers.
Kinda disturbing when you think about it.
More important, it proves the sacrifice story wasn't just a sort of blood libel.I won't say that it isn't possible that self-reporting yielded bad data.
But, it says a great deal about the Aztecs that they bragged about doing this.2.
I'm not certain why a comparison to the Nazis' methods is meaningful.
By that standard, reports of deaths in every major battle in history are wrong, because you can only kill 4,000 people a day.
I'm pretty sure there are ways to kill tens of thousands of people in a single day that would have be possible in the 1400s as long as you had enough help.3.
The Tlaxcalans thing was just a joke.4.
All things being equal, it seems the locals were ready for an end to human sacrifice.
You don't see much evidence that the Spanish had to struggle to end the practice once they took control of central Mexico.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690832</id>
	<title>You think that is bad?</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1262884740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>The real trouble happened when tried to put  2 Aztecs in 1 Cup. Associated a whole new twist to the taste of their coffee.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The real trouble happened when tried to put 2 Aztecs in 1 Cup .
Associated a whole new twist to the taste of their coffee .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real trouble happened when tried to put  2 Aztecs in 1 Cup.
Associated a whole new twist to the taste of their coffee.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30695128</id>
	<title>Re:Property of the nation.</title>
	<author>Requiem18th</author>
	<datestamp>1262968920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a Mexican, I have to say that's wrong. I'm used to the government being evil but the INAH? Who's next the SEP?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a Mexican , I have to say that 's wrong .
I 'm used to the government being evil but the INAH ?
Who 's next the SEP ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a Mexican, I have to say that's wrong.
I'm used to the government being evil but the INAH?
Who's next the SEP?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30692088</id>
	<title>Hundreds of year? Yes!</title>
	<author>pmontra</author>
	<datestamp>1262945340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Does the copyright on an image last hundreds of years?</p></div></blockquote><p>

Copyright gets extended every time it's about to hit the expiration limit so yes, copyright will last hundreds of years a century from now.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does the copyright on an image last hundreds of years ?
Copyright gets extended every time it 's about to hit the expiration limit so yes , copyright will last hundreds of years a century from now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does the copyright on an image last hundreds of years?
Copyright gets extended every time it's about to hit the expiration limit so yes, copyright will last hundreds of years a century from now.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30692612</id>
	<title>Yeah sure.</title>
	<author>jotaeleemeese</author>
	<datestamp>1262952360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Civilized countries  invade other countries based on blatant lies, kill thousands of people, imprison people without trial in places that they acquired by force from weaker countries.</p><p>Shall I continue?</p><p>Nope, unnecessary.</p><p>I have many other examples of countries that call themselves "civilized" who are partners of Mexico in the G20 or the OECD, but it would be as pointless as not considering Mexico a civilized place (as a matter of fact there is no country that is not civilized strictly speaking, since all human groups produce a civilization of some kind or another).</p><p>Oh wait, the PP was an AC's. Never mind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Civilized countries invade other countries based on blatant lies , kill thousands of people , imprison people without trial in places that they acquired by force from weaker countries.Shall I continue ? Nope , unnecessary.I have many other examples of countries that call themselves " civilized " who are partners of Mexico in the G20 or the OECD , but it would be as pointless as not considering Mexico a civilized place ( as a matter of fact there is no country that is not civilized strictly speaking , since all human groups produce a civilization of some kind or another ) .Oh wait , the PP was an AC 's .
Never mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Civilized countries  invade other countries based on blatant lies, kill thousands of people, imprison people without trial in places that they acquired by force from weaker countries.Shall I continue?Nope, unnecessary.I have many other examples of countries that call themselves "civilized" who are partners of Mexico in the G20 or the OECD, but it would be as pointless as not considering Mexico a civilized place (as a matter of fact there is no country that is not civilized strictly speaking, since all human groups produce a civilization of some kind or another).Oh wait, the PP was an AC's.
Never mind.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691914</id>
	<title>Re:So they can give it to the tribes, right?</title>
	<author>aBaldrich</author>
	<datestamp>1262942640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the descendants of the original artists</p></div><p>According to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico#Ethnography" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a> [wikipedia.org], "Mestizos (those of mixed European and Amerindian ancestry) form the largest group, comprising up to 60&ndash;80\% of the total population".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the descendants of the original artistsAccording to Wikipedia [ wikipedia.org ] , " Mestizos ( those of mixed European and Amerindian ancestry ) form the largest group , comprising up to 60    80 \ % of the total population " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the descendants of the original artistsAccording to Wikipedia [wikipedia.org], "Mestizos (those of mixed European and Amerindian ancestry) form the largest group, comprising up to 60–80\% of the total population".
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30712522</id>
	<title>where's the coffee from</title>
	<author>generalSocial</author>
	<datestamp>1263058140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is the coffee from Mexico?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is the coffee from Mexico ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is the coffee from Mexico?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690766</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>Daniel Dvorkin</author>
	<datestamp>1262884020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>That's like the British government suing anyone who does things based on William Shakespeare because he was English.</i></p><p>Or for something even more absurd:  the modern British government, which is descended from a system put in place by the Normans, suing someone who uses imagery from Beowulf.</p><p>Mexico is run by a culture and people primarily descended from the people who <b>killed off</b> the Aztecs.  Yes, there are plenty of Indians in Mexico today, but they're pretty much at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder.  The Mexican government is the heir of the Spanish Empire.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's like the British government suing anyone who does things based on William Shakespeare because he was English.Or for something even more absurd : the modern British government , which is descended from a system put in place by the Normans , suing someone who uses imagery from Beowulf.Mexico is run by a culture and people primarily descended from the people who killed off the Aztecs .
Yes , there are plenty of Indians in Mexico today , but they 're pretty much at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder .
The Mexican government is the heir of the Spanish Empire .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's like the British government suing anyone who does things based on William Shakespeare because he was English.Or for something even more absurd:  the modern British government, which is descended from a system put in place by the Normans, suing someone who uses imagery from Beowulf.Mexico is run by a culture and people primarily descended from the people who killed off the Aztecs.
Yes, there are plenty of Indians in Mexico today, but they're pretty much at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder.
The Mexican government is the heir of the Spanish Empire.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30708216</id>
	<title>Mexico Wants Copywrites, What about Egypt???</title>
	<author>misteralexander</author>
	<datestamp>1263062160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A country cannot lay claim to an image dominated by the common conscience.  Next, Egypt will want the US to pay tax on the Pyramid on the back on our Money!</p><p>Perposturous!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A country can not lay claim to an image dominated by the common conscience .
Next , Egypt will want the US to pay tax on the Pyramid on the back on our Money ! Perposturous !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A country cannot lay claim to an image dominated by the common conscience.
Next, Egypt will want the US to pay tax on the Pyramid on the back on our Money!Perposturous!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30693588</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>Skapare</author>
	<datestamp>1262962080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then why isn't the Mexican government making that kind of claim?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then why is n't the Mexican government making that kind of claim ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then why isn't the Mexican government making that kind of claim?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690808</id>
	<title>illegals</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262884500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like a deal could be made here. Mexico pays us for providing free services to 6 million illegals and we pay copyright on the images. The way I see it mexico is in the hole yet a few billion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like a deal could be made here .
Mexico pays us for providing free services to 6 million illegals and we pay copyright on the images .
The way I see it mexico is in the hole yet a few billion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like a deal could be made here.
Mexico pays us for providing free services to 6 million illegals and we pay copyright on the images.
The way I see it mexico is in the hole yet a few billion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690782</id>
	<title>Ka Pai!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262884080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They should come to New Zealand and talk to the Maori. They try to do the same thing with the Haka and Moko's</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They should come to New Zealand and talk to the Maori .
They try to do the same thing with the Haka and Moko 's</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should come to New Zealand and talk to the Maori.
They try to do the same thing with the Haka and Moko's</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30726538</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>iamhassi</author>
	<datestamp>1263240540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"it's up to the copyright owner themselves to make the complaint. How on earth does a government "inherit" copyright just because the original owner was from their country?"</i>
<br> <br>
I was thinking that too.  Does the US own Indians?  Does Italy own everything Greek or Roman?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" it 's up to the copyright owner themselves to make the complaint .
How on earth does a government " inherit " copyright just because the original owner was from their country ?
" I was thinking that too .
Does the US own Indians ?
Does Italy own everything Greek or Roman ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"it's up to the copyright owner themselves to make the complaint.
How on earth does a government "inherit" copyright just because the original owner was from their country?
"
 
I was thinking that too.
Does the US own Indians?
Does Italy own everything Greek or Roman?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30709812</id>
	<title>Re:Property of the nation.</title>
	<author>j0h4nnes</author>
	<datestamp>1263032940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, and Italy is soon to pass a law that requests a fee for any flag colored green, white, red (irrespective if it is shown with or without additional emblems).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , and Italy is soon to pass a law that requests a fee for any flag colored green , white , red ( irrespective if it is shown with or without additional emblems ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, and Italy is soon to pass a law that requests a fee for any flag colored green, white, red (irrespective if it is shown with or without additional emblems).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30692278</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>stiggle</author>
	<datestamp>1262947740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Surely it would have been good marketing for Starbucks to have dropped Mexico a load of money for the upkeep of these historic sites.<br>It seems that they did approach the Mexicans over the rights to use the images but then went ahead with the project before getting a reply.</p><p>Pieces of artwork are covered under different laws to basic copyright.  eg. Try selling copies of the Mona Lisa without The Louvre getting on your case about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Surely it would have been good marketing for Starbucks to have dropped Mexico a load of money for the upkeep of these historic sites.It seems that they did approach the Mexicans over the rights to use the images but then went ahead with the project before getting a reply.Pieces of artwork are covered under different laws to basic copyright .
eg. Try selling copies of the Mona Lisa without The Louvre getting on your case about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surely it would have been good marketing for Starbucks to have dropped Mexico a load of money for the upkeep of these historic sites.It seems that they did approach the Mexicans over the rights to use the images but then went ahead with the project before getting a reply.Pieces of artwork are covered under different laws to basic copyright.
eg. Try selling copies of the Mona Lisa without The Louvre getting on your case about it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691366</id>
	<title>And I want payment for...</title>
	<author>re\_organeyes</author>
	<datestamp>1262892780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The minivan. I had the idea when I was a mere teenager back in the 60's.</p><p>What's the problem here, Mexico not making enough money off of the drug lords or is the Obama mentality migrating south? If Mexico really wants payment for those images, they have a lot more people to go after than just Starbucks. A quick google search for Aztec images will net you quite a few different websites that use those images not only for show, but to make a profit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The minivan .
I had the idea when I was a mere teenager back in the 60 's.What 's the problem here , Mexico not making enough money off of the drug lords or is the Obama mentality migrating south ?
If Mexico really wants payment for those images , they have a lot more people to go after than just Starbucks .
A quick google search for Aztec images will net you quite a few different websites that use those images not only for show , but to make a profit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The minivan.
I had the idea when I was a mere teenager back in the 60's.What's the problem here, Mexico not making enough money off of the drug lords or is the Obama mentality migrating south?
If Mexico really wants payment for those images, they have a lot more people to go after than just Starbucks.
A quick google search for Aztec images will net you quite a few different websites that use those images not only for show, but to make a profit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691136</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262889540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most people estimate Mexico's population to be at least 60\% mestizo (mixed blood indigenous + European). Wikipedia puts it at 60\%-80\%. Indigenous people make up ~15\%, with the remainder European / Asian / African. Since the Mexican census doesn't count ethnicity, no one knows for sure just how many are mestizo; but either way it's not correct that the culture or government is 'European' run.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics\_of\_Mexico" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics\_of\_Mexico</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>This means that actually the majority of people in Mexico have lineage that married/raped the indigenous population (depending on who you talk to).</p><p>Also, the majority of "pure" Europeans living in Mexico arrived after the Spanish occupation ended (can't find citation for that at the moment, sorry).</p><p>I know it's 'cool' to rag on Mexico, but at least pick something accurate (there's a lot to choose from).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people estimate Mexico 's population to be at least 60 \ % mestizo ( mixed blood indigenous + European ) .
Wikipedia puts it at 60 \ % -80 \ % .
Indigenous people make up ~ 15 \ % , with the remainder European / Asian / African .
Since the Mexican census does n't count ethnicity , no one knows for sure just how many are mestizo ; but either way it 's not correct that the culture or government is 'European ' run.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics \ _of \ _Mexico [ wikipedia.org ] This means that actually the majority of people in Mexico have lineage that married/raped the indigenous population ( depending on who you talk to ) .Also , the majority of " pure " Europeans living in Mexico arrived after the Spanish occupation ended ( ca n't find citation for that at the moment , sorry ) .I know it 's 'cool ' to rag on Mexico , but at least pick something accurate ( there 's a lot to choose from ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people estimate Mexico's population to be at least 60\% mestizo (mixed blood indigenous + European).
Wikipedia puts it at 60\%-80\%.
Indigenous people make up ~15\%, with the remainder European / Asian / African.
Since the Mexican census doesn't count ethnicity, no one knows for sure just how many are mestizo; but either way it's not correct that the culture or government is 'European' run.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics\_of\_Mexico [wikipedia.org]This means that actually the majority of people in Mexico have lineage that married/raped the indigenous population (depending on who you talk to).Also, the majority of "pure" Europeans living in Mexico arrived after the Spanish occupation ended (can't find citation for that at the moment, sorry).I know it's 'cool' to rag on Mexico, but at least pick something accurate (there's a lot to choose from).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30694204</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>jc42</author>
	<datestamp>1262965440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>In most countries which have copyright laws it extends only 50 or so years after the author dies.</i></p><p>Well, maybe, but this is a fairly recent innovation in copyright law.  It dates back to the 1920s.  And in many countries (especially the US), there's been a pattern of extending the expiration date when things produced in the 1920s are about to become public domain.  So in the US, copyright is now effectively perpetual.</p><p>But this isn't anything new, either.  If you dig into the origins of copyright law, you'll find it in medieval laws that were designed to control printing of the Bible and other religious works.  These laws had no expiration dates at all.  They were purely to control publication of socially important documents, so that all the income went to a small number of publishers approved by the church and crown.</p><p>One could argue that the US has returned to this sort of copyright, with the change that the dominant religion is now The Market. This explains why modern copyright deals solely with copying anything that is marketable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In most countries which have copyright laws it extends only 50 or so years after the author dies.Well , maybe , but this is a fairly recent innovation in copyright law .
It dates back to the 1920s .
And in many countries ( especially the US ) , there 's been a pattern of extending the expiration date when things produced in the 1920s are about to become public domain .
So in the US , copyright is now effectively perpetual.But this is n't anything new , either .
If you dig into the origins of copyright law , you 'll find it in medieval laws that were designed to control printing of the Bible and other religious works .
These laws had no expiration dates at all .
They were purely to control publication of socially important documents , so that all the income went to a small number of publishers approved by the church and crown.One could argue that the US has returned to this sort of copyright , with the change that the dominant religion is now The Market .
This explains why modern copyright deals solely with copying anything that is marketable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In most countries which have copyright laws it extends only 50 or so years after the author dies.Well, maybe, but this is a fairly recent innovation in copyright law.
It dates back to the 1920s.
And in many countries (especially the US), there's been a pattern of extending the expiration date when things produced in the 1920s are about to become public domain.
So in the US, copyright is now effectively perpetual.But this isn't anything new, either.
If you dig into the origins of copyright law, you'll find it in medieval laws that were designed to control printing of the Bible and other religious works.
These laws had no expiration dates at all.
They were purely to control publication of socially important documents, so that all the income went to a small number of publishers approved by the church and crown.One could argue that the US has returned to this sort of copyright, with the change that the dominant religion is now The Market.
This explains why modern copyright deals solely with copying anything that is marketable.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691738</id>
	<title>Where have I heard this before?</title>
	<author>pecosdave</author>
	<datestamp>1262984040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Could it be on <a href="http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/26/002226" title="slashdot.org">Slashdot</a> [slashdot.org]?  Yeah, that's the ticket, Egypt tried to <a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/01/080115-egypt-copyright.html" title="nationalgeographic.com">copyright the pyramids</a> [nationalgeographic.com] and the sphinx no less.  I haven't heard anything else about it, but I'm pretty sure that answer was "how about no".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could it be on Slashdot [ slashdot.org ] ?
Yeah , that 's the ticket , Egypt tried to copyright the pyramids [ nationalgeographic.com ] and the sphinx no less .
I have n't heard anything else about it , but I 'm pretty sure that answer was " how about no " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could it be on Slashdot [slashdot.org]?
Yeah, that's the ticket, Egypt tried to copyright the pyramids [nationalgeographic.com] and the sphinx no less.
I haven't heard anything else about it, but I'm pretty sure that answer was "how about no".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30697694</id>
	<title>Montezuma's Revenge?</title>
	<author>LifesABeach</author>
	<datestamp>1262978700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wish I could mod you up one.  As I recall, the current government overthrew the prior government, I'm thinking Ownership by Conquest, which was a stable practice in the region for thousands of years, in what is now Central America.  Maybe a lawyer representing the Aztec Triad Alliance is going to step forward?<br>
<br>
I just had a second thought, could it be that the Mexican Drug Lords are finding more money in Litigation, than being a Mule for Columbia?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish I could mod you up one .
As I recall , the current government overthrew the prior government , I 'm thinking Ownership by Conquest , which was a stable practice in the region for thousands of years , in what is now Central America .
Maybe a lawyer representing the Aztec Triad Alliance is going to step forward ?
I just had a second thought , could it be that the Mexican Drug Lords are finding more money in Litigation , than being a Mule for Columbia ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish I could mod you up one.
As I recall, the current government overthrew the prior government, I'm thinking Ownership by Conquest, which was a stable practice in the region for thousands of years, in what is now Central America.
Maybe a lawyer representing the Aztec Triad Alliance is going to step forward?
I just had a second thought, could it be that the Mexican Drug Lords are finding more money in Litigation, than being a Mule for Columbia?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30696474</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>buellisti</author>
	<datestamp>1262973840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Daniel hit it.

What Aztecs are left?

I was at the Sun Bowl festivities in El Paso and witnessed the "Aztec" dancers.  Question, would a real Aztec be caught wearing pheasant feathers instead of turkey feathers?

Mexico is a violent third world country with immense economic diparites and is always looking to make a dollar.  What better target than some wealthy norte american coorporation that sells coffeee in cups with derivitive designs that resmble those of Aztecs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Daniel hit it .
What Aztecs are left ?
I was at the Sun Bowl festivities in El Paso and witnessed the " Aztec " dancers .
Question , would a real Aztec be caught wearing pheasant feathers instead of turkey feathers ?
Mexico is a violent third world country with immense economic diparites and is always looking to make a dollar .
What better target than some wealthy norte american coorporation that sells coffeee in cups with derivitive designs that resmble those of Aztecs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Daniel hit it.
What Aztecs are left?
I was at the Sun Bowl festivities in El Paso and witnessed the "Aztec" dancers.
Question, would a real Aztec be caught wearing pheasant feathers instead of turkey feathers?
Mexico is a violent third world country with immense economic diparites and is always looking to make a dollar.
What better target than some wealthy norte american coorporation that sells coffeee in cups with derivitive designs that resmble those of Aztecs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690662</id>
	<title>Good luck with that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262882820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>In most countries which have copyright laws it extends only 50 or so years after the author dies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In most countries which have copyright laws it extends only 50 or so years after the author dies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In most countries which have copyright laws it extends only 50 or so years after the author dies.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691200</id>
	<title>Re:I've got a stronger claim</title>
	<author>ihuntrocks</author>
	<datestamp>1262890440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm descended from lowlanders as well. However, we're the only lowland clan, officially registered with the Lord Lyon King of Arms. This has nothing to do with the story mind you. I'm still waiting to find out the exact nature of the alleged copyright violations before I make any comments on that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm descended from lowlanders as well .
However , we 're the only lowland clan , officially registered with the Lord Lyon King of Arms .
This has nothing to do with the story mind you .
I 'm still waiting to find out the exact nature of the alleged copyright violations before I make any comments on that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm descended from lowlanders as well.
However, we're the only lowland clan, officially registered with the Lord Lyon King of Arms.
This has nothing to do with the story mind you.
I'm still waiting to find out the exact nature of the alleged copyright violations before I make any comments on that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690764</id>
	<title>it's not copyright; it's cultural heritage</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262883960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it is customary, and while it may not have teeth, it's used to support<br>the archeological sites -- to continue to make the works publicly<br>available; running most of the 100's of sites in Mexico costs quite<br>a bit of currency, payments like this offset it</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it is customary , and while it may not have teeth , it 's used to supportthe archeological sites -- to continue to make the works publiclyavailable ; running most of the 100 's of sites in Mexico costs quitea bit of currency , payments like this offset it</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it is customary, and while it may not have teeth, it's used to supportthe archeological sites -- to continue to make the works publiclyavailable; running most of the 100's of sites in Mexico costs quitea bit of currency, payments like this offset it</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30692622</id>
	<title>Nope.</title>
	<author>jotaeleemeese</author>
	<datestamp>1262952540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mexico is run by the descendants of both the people that killed the natives and the natives.</p><p>Your assertion that "The Mexican government is the heir of the Spanish Empire" is so monumentally ignorant that does not deserve any further comment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mexico is run by the descendants of both the people that killed the natives and the natives.Your assertion that " The Mexican government is the heir of the Spanish Empire " is so monumentally ignorant that does not deserve any further comment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mexico is run by the descendants of both the people that killed the natives and the natives.Your assertion that "The Mexican government is the heir of the Spanish Empire" is so monumentally ignorant that does not deserve any further comment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30693246</id>
	<title>Re:So they can give it to the tribes, right?</title>
	<author>orasio</author>
	<datestamp>1262959560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Native Mexicans are not organized in tribes. Most Mexicans are descendants of Mexicas, even people in the government. In Central America, the genocide was not complete.</p><p>Anyhow, RTFA, it's not about that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Native Mexicans are not organized in tribes .
Most Mexicans are descendants of Mexicas , even people in the government .
In Central America , the genocide was not complete.Anyhow , RTFA , it 's not about that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Native Mexicans are not organized in tribes.
Most Mexicans are descendants of Mexicas, even people in the government.
In Central America, the genocide was not complete.Anyhow, RTFA, it's not about that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691164</id>
	<title>And now some real information from Mexico</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262890080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I read all the troll messages around, obviously from people that don't live in Mexico or care about us. I must made note that if you paint or use "Aztec like" patterns/people/scenery you are much safe for ***pay nothing***. I do images made on Aztec codex usually and I do not pay a single dollar. And you can do it too.</p><p>So what is the trouble here? There are some stuff that was Copyrighted for the Mexican government and the National Institute of Archeology and History (INAH) and those are of course the Aztec Calendar, some codex and other monuments. I wonder why Americans made a of mess here: Starbucks took some copyrighted material and added it to the mugs without pay a dime and this the same thing than someone in Mexico made a DVD rip from a Hollywood flick and sells on the streets.</p><p>Either Starbucks pays for the copyrighted images or remove the cups, this is the game of the copyright no?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I read all the troll messages around , obviously from people that do n't live in Mexico or care about us .
I must made note that if you paint or use " Aztec like " patterns/people/scenery you are much safe for * * * pay nothing * * * .
I do images made on Aztec codex usually and I do not pay a single dollar .
And you can do it too.So what is the trouble here ?
There are some stuff that was Copyrighted for the Mexican government and the National Institute of Archeology and History ( INAH ) and those are of course the Aztec Calendar , some codex and other monuments .
I wonder why Americans made a of mess here : Starbucks took some copyrighted material and added it to the mugs without pay a dime and this the same thing than someone in Mexico made a DVD rip from a Hollywood flick and sells on the streets.Either Starbucks pays for the copyrighted images or remove the cups , this is the game of the copyright no ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read all the troll messages around, obviously from people that don't live in Mexico or care about us.
I must made note that if you paint or use "Aztec like" patterns/people/scenery you are much safe for ***pay nothing***.
I do images made on Aztec codex usually and I do not pay a single dollar.
And you can do it too.So what is the trouble here?
There are some stuff that was Copyrighted for the Mexican government and the National Institute of Archeology and History (INAH) and those are of course the Aztec Calendar, some codex and other monuments.
I wonder why Americans made a of mess here: Starbucks took some copyrighted material and added it to the mugs without pay a dime and this the same thing than someone in Mexico made a DVD rip from a Hollywood flick and sells on the streets.Either Starbucks pays for the copyrighted images or remove the cups, this is the game of the copyright no?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30698936</id>
	<title>Re:copyright may very well apply</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262984040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's also extremely probable, that whoever owns the copyright of that work isn't the state of Mexico.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's also extremely probable , that whoever owns the copyright of that work is n't the state of Mexico .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's also extremely probable, that whoever owns the copyright of that work isn't the state of Mexico.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691174</id>
	<title>Copyright or trademark?</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1262890260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think trademark would be more fitting intellectual property here.</p><p>And can a government assert trademark rights over things it didn't create?  Can a government assert trademark rights over things that are marks of a people that existed prior to them?  Can a government assert trademarks at all?</p><p>This just sound like more government corruption to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think trademark would be more fitting intellectual property here.And can a government assert trademark rights over things it did n't create ?
Can a government assert trademark rights over things that are marks of a people that existed prior to them ?
Can a government assert trademarks at all ? This just sound like more government corruption to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think trademark would be more fitting intellectual property here.And can a government assert trademark rights over things it didn't create?
Can a government assert trademark rights over things that are marks of a people that existed prior to them?
Can a government assert trademarks at all?This just sound like more government corruption to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30698306</id>
	<title>What images?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262981280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd really like to see what images they are referring to since the article only showed the old starbucks mermaid with a stupid starcrown on her head.<br>They certainly can't be talking about that, especially since that mermaid is descended from a european art style, and I don't remember there ever being any mention of there being any mermaid stories (much less images) in the Americas prior to the European imports of same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd really like to see what images they are referring to since the article only showed the old starbucks mermaid with a stupid starcrown on her head.They certainly ca n't be talking about that , especially since that mermaid is descended from a european art style , and I do n't remember there ever being any mention of there being any mermaid stories ( much less images ) in the Americas prior to the European imports of same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd really like to see what images they are referring to since the article only showed the old starbucks mermaid with a stupid starcrown on her head.They certainly can't be talking about that, especially since that mermaid is descended from a european art style, and I don't remember there ever being any mention of there being any mermaid stories (much less images) in the Americas prior to the European imports of same.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690850</id>
	<title>copyright may very well apply</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262884980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Starbuck's work is likely either a photograph, or a work derived<br>from a photograph.  The photo is likely copyrighted, or restricted.<br>When you visit an architelogical site, your personal photos are<br>for personal use only -- not commercial reproduction accoring to<br>the law of Mexico.  It's been this way for quite some time (70's?).<br>When you do apply for reproduction rights, it's usually limited<br>to specific publications with a nominal fee per object represented.<br>These laws were put in place quite early, perhaps before the 60's.</p><p>So, it's possible it's an artist's rendition (not derived from photo)<br>or it is based on a representation from before the antiquity laws<br>were passed -- however, unlikely.   So, it's extremely possible that<br>copyright is the vehicle for enforcement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Starbuck 's work is likely either a photograph , or a work derivedfrom a photograph .
The photo is likely copyrighted , or restricted.When you visit an architelogical site , your personal photos arefor personal use only -- not commercial reproduction accoring tothe law of Mexico .
It 's been this way for quite some time ( 70 's ?
) .When you do apply for reproduction rights , it 's usually limitedto specific publications with a nominal fee per object represented.These laws were put in place quite early , perhaps before the 60 's.So , it 's possible it 's an artist 's rendition ( not derived from photo ) or it is based on a representation from before the antiquity lawswere passed -- however , unlikely .
So , it 's extremely possible thatcopyright is the vehicle for enforcement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Starbuck's work is likely either a photograph, or a work derivedfrom a photograph.
The photo is likely copyrighted, or restricted.When you visit an architelogical site, your personal photos arefor personal use only -- not commercial reproduction accoring tothe law of Mexico.
It's been this way for quite some time (70's?
).When you do apply for reproduction rights, it's usually limitedto specific publications with a nominal fee per object represented.These laws were put in place quite early, perhaps before the 60's.So, it's possible it's an artist's rendition (not derived from photo)or it is based on a representation from before the antiquity lawswere passed -- however, unlikely.
So, it's extremely possible thatcopyright is the vehicle for enforcement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30702548</id>
	<title>Re:Did the Aztec have a concept of copyright?</title>
	<author>theNAM666</author>
	<datestamp>1262956860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Acording to the aztec, their Tlatoani Ahuizotl, persoally  killed 84,400 prisioners in four days using a stone knife...</p><p>However, most experts consider these numbers to be overstated.mos historia asume the aztec put a few extra zeroes as propaganda...</p><p>I suspect merely computational error.  Have you ever tried to multiply MXXIII by XXIV in Roman numerals alone?  And they didn't even have that.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Acording to the aztec , their Tlatoani Ahuizotl , persoally killed 84,400 prisioners in four days using a stone knife...However , most experts consider these numbers to be overstated.mos historia asume the aztec put a few extra zeroes as propaganda...I suspect merely computational error .
Have you ever tried to multiply MXXIII by XXIV in Roman numerals alone ?
And they did n't even have that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Acording to the aztec, their Tlatoani Ahuizotl, persoally  killed 84,400 prisioners in four days using a stone knife...However, most experts consider these numbers to be overstated.mos historia asume the aztec put a few extra zeroes as propaganda...I suspect merely computational error.
Have you ever tried to multiply MXXIII by XXIV in Roman numerals alone?
And they didn't even have that.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690656</id>
	<title>Where are the pictures</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262882760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Surely they could have included a picture of the offending cups...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Surely they could have included a picture of the offending cups.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surely they could have included a picture of the offending cups...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30692668</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1262953260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"suing someone who uses imagery from Beowulf."</p><p>Hush!<br>Lawyers read Slashdot too!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" suing someone who uses imagery from Beowulf .
" Hush ! Lawyers read Slashdot too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"suing someone who uses imagery from Beowulf.
"Hush!Lawyers read Slashdot too!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30692746</id>
	<title>Re:What.</title>
	<author>Registered Coward v2</author>
	<datestamp>1262954280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What...</p><p>That's crazy.  I can sort of understand wanting compensation for something your government created, to recompense taxpayer expense... but to ask recompense for an artistic STYLE your nation was built upon the dead remains of is WAY beyond my usual expectations of baseless money-grabbing.</p></div><p>You forget, there is a government involved; inventing new baseless ways to money grab is their speciality.</p><p>Realistically, Starbucks should see if the cost of mugs plus fee less what they expect to get from the sale of the mugs is less than the cost of the mugs.  If it is, pay the fee to minimize your loss.  While I don't agree with the whole we own all images of our cultural heritage argument; since Starbucks does business in Mexico a fight would probably cost them more in teh long run.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What...That 's crazy .
I can sort of understand wanting compensation for something your government created , to recompense taxpayer expense... but to ask recompense for an artistic STYLE your nation was built upon the dead remains of is WAY beyond my usual expectations of baseless money-grabbing.You forget , there is a government involved ; inventing new baseless ways to money grab is their speciality.Realistically , Starbucks should see if the cost of mugs plus fee less what they expect to get from the sale of the mugs is less than the cost of the mugs .
If it is , pay the fee to minimize your loss .
While I do n't agree with the whole we own all images of our cultural heritage argument ; since Starbucks does business in Mexico a fight would probably cost them more in teh long run .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What...That's crazy.
I can sort of understand wanting compensation for something your government created, to recompense taxpayer expense... but to ask recompense for an artistic STYLE your nation was built upon the dead remains of is WAY beyond my usual expectations of baseless money-grabbing.You forget, there is a government involved; inventing new baseless ways to money grab is their speciality.Realistically, Starbucks should see if the cost of mugs plus fee less what they expect to get from the sale of the mugs is less than the cost of the mugs.
If it is, pay the fee to minimize your loss.
While I don't agree with the whole we own all images of our cultural heritage argument; since Starbucks does business in Mexico a fight would probably cost them more in teh long run.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691092</id>
	<title>Wait until they claim copyright for the Mayans</title>
	<author>ub3r n3u7r4l1st</author>
	<datestamp>1262888580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and then they will try to claim royalties for anything that talks about December 21st, 2012.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and then they will try to claim royalties for anything that talks about December 21st , 2012 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and then they will try to claim royalties for anything that talks about December 21st, 2012.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690960</id>
	<title>not copyright -- mexican law</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262886360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and since starbucks does buisness in that country it is subject to its laws</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and since starbucks does buisness in that country it is subject to its laws</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and since starbucks does buisness in that country it is subject to its laws</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690792</id>
	<title>Does copyright lasts hundreds of years?</title>
	<author>naringas</author>
	<datestamp>1262884260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>not yet, but it will once Mickey is hundreds of years old</htmltext>
<tokenext>not yet , but it will once Mickey is hundreds of years old</tokentext>
<sentencetext>not yet, but it will once Mickey is hundreds of years old</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30697248</id>
	<title>The only place I could say this</title>
	<author>Provocateur</author>
	<datestamp>1262976960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's ask the Aztecs, techs...</p><p>This is idle.slashdot, after all</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's ask the Aztecs , techs...This is idle.slashdot , after all</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's ask the Aztecs, techs...This is idle.slashdot, after all</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691614</id>
	<title>Copyright out of hand</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1262982720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Has anyone thought yet to ask where the images came from? It seems obvious to me that what could have happened was that Starbucks took photographs taken by the government archaeological society, which the society may have used for post-cards, t-shirts, or other tourism items and placed them on Starbucks mugs without paying fees to the Mexican government for those photographs.</i></p><p>What you have here is an evil coffee company that underpays its workers vs a corrupt government that is gold digging instead of promoting it's culture for tourism etc, and you're talking rubbish about new ways to involve copyright?</p><p>The more I see of copyright law the more I'm convinced it can't be fixed. It has gotten so far out of hand that it needs to be abolished and we need to start again. People have become so greedy that they use copyright law to prevent instead of promote their products then wonder why they fail. Like those stupid warnings on DVDs that have made a movie night at a school or university illegal.</p><p>I would like to submit to you that since every product ever made has a manufacturer that the only way to get an image that doesn't violate someone else's copyright is to go out into the wilderness (but make sure it's public land and that the government doesn't want a cut).</p><p>I challenge you to come up with one object that you can sharp in focus well exposed photograph in your immediate surroundigns where some bozo can't claim you violated their copyright and demand that you pay them. At the same time good luck getting their permission even if you are willing to pay. The current law is just ridiculous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Has anyone thought yet to ask where the images came from ?
It seems obvious to me that what could have happened was that Starbucks took photographs taken by the government archaeological society , which the society may have used for post-cards , t-shirts , or other tourism items and placed them on Starbucks mugs without paying fees to the Mexican government for those photographs.What you have here is an evil coffee company that underpays its workers vs a corrupt government that is gold digging instead of promoting it 's culture for tourism etc , and you 're talking rubbish about new ways to involve copyright ? The more I see of copyright law the more I 'm convinced it ca n't be fixed .
It has gotten so far out of hand that it needs to be abolished and we need to start again .
People have become so greedy that they use copyright law to prevent instead of promote their products then wonder why they fail .
Like those stupid warnings on DVDs that have made a movie night at a school or university illegal.I would like to submit to you that since every product ever made has a manufacturer that the only way to get an image that does n't violate someone else 's copyright is to go out into the wilderness ( but make sure it 's public land and that the government does n't want a cut ) .I challenge you to come up with one object that you can sharp in focus well exposed photograph in your immediate surroundigns where some bozo ca n't claim you violated their copyright and demand that you pay them .
At the same time good luck getting their permission even if you are willing to pay .
The current law is just ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has anyone thought yet to ask where the images came from?
It seems obvious to me that what could have happened was that Starbucks took photographs taken by the government archaeological society, which the society may have used for post-cards, t-shirts, or other tourism items and placed them on Starbucks mugs without paying fees to the Mexican government for those photographs.What you have here is an evil coffee company that underpays its workers vs a corrupt government that is gold digging instead of promoting it's culture for tourism etc, and you're talking rubbish about new ways to involve copyright?The more I see of copyright law the more I'm convinced it can't be fixed.
It has gotten so far out of hand that it needs to be abolished and we need to start again.
People have become so greedy that they use copyright law to prevent instead of promote their products then wonder why they fail.
Like those stupid warnings on DVDs that have made a movie night at a school or university illegal.I would like to submit to you that since every product ever made has a manufacturer that the only way to get an image that doesn't violate someone else's copyright is to go out into the wilderness (but make sure it's public land and that the government doesn't want a cut).I challenge you to come up with one object that you can sharp in focus well exposed photograph in your immediate surroundigns where some bozo can't claim you violated their copyright and demand that you pay them.
At the same time good luck getting their permission even if you are willing to pay.
The current law is just ridiculous.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690748</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262883840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>That's like the British government suing anyone who does things based on William Shakespeare because he was English.</p></div><p>Ever read the copyright notice in a King James bible?</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's like the British government suing anyone who does things based on William Shakespeare because he was English.Ever read the copyright notice in a King James bible ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's like the British government suing anyone who does things based on William Shakespeare because he was English.Ever read the copyright notice in a King James bible?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30711000</id>
	<title>Re:Where are the pictures</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263043980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just replace the image with a chiwawa.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just replace the image with a chiwawa .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just replace the image with a chiwawa.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691534</id>
	<title>Re:Did the Aztec have a concept of copyright?</title>
	<author>nanahuatzin</author>
	<datestamp>1262981280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>sorry.. forgot...

the Tlaxcalans were nahuatl...</htmltext>
<tokenext>sorry.. forgot.. . the Tlaxcalans were nahuatl.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sorry.. forgot...

the Tlaxcalans were nahuatl...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30694628</id>
	<title>Re:Property of the nation.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262967180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>mexico's INAH has no jurisdiction in the US. so no, INAH does not have to authorize the use of these symbols.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>mexico 's INAH has no jurisdiction in the US .
so no , INAH does not have to authorize the use of these symbols .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mexico's INAH has no jurisdiction in the US.
so no, INAH does not have to authorize the use of these symbols.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30700874</id>
	<title>I know why this happened...</title>
	<author>socz</author>
	<datestamp>1262949060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>See, many years ago, before a little coffee shop turned into this machination of "good coffee," they had wondered into the lands of Coatepec, Veracruz, Mexico. And while there they tasted some of the most "premium" coffee in the world. You see, Coatepec has very unique attributes which lend itself to growing coffee. Thus they produce(d) some of the worlds "best" coffee.
<br> <br>
So while Starbucks was there and liking what they tasted, they were also in many other places trying "premium" coffee. So they ended up getting their supply from elsewhere. Now if you know anything about Mexico, their Pyramids and Gods, you'll know that they're not something to be taken lightly! So of course, Coatepec means something like the snake from the hill/mountain.... And thus they're now taking their revenge on Starbucks for not buying their coffee!*
<br> <br>
I actually spent some time there and I found out about this and was like o rly? And sure enough they showed me the "gifts" they had received from star bucks, a company from some placed called Seattle. It was actually pretty cool because they were still in their original packaging and branded with starbucks logos! So that's how I know about 1/2 the of the story. The other half I just cobbled up from what the general public believes to be true!
<br> <br> <br>
* Maybe about 1/2 of this story is 80\% accurate - no guarantees</htmltext>
<tokenext>See , many years ago , before a little coffee shop turned into this machination of " good coffee , " they had wondered into the lands of Coatepec , Veracruz , Mexico .
And while there they tasted some of the most " premium " coffee in the world .
You see , Coatepec has very unique attributes which lend itself to growing coffee .
Thus they produce ( d ) some of the worlds " best " coffee .
So while Starbucks was there and liking what they tasted , they were also in many other places trying " premium " coffee .
So they ended up getting their supply from elsewhere .
Now if you know anything about Mexico , their Pyramids and Gods , you 'll know that they 're not something to be taken lightly !
So of course , Coatepec means something like the snake from the hill/mountain.... And thus they 're now taking their revenge on Starbucks for not buying their coffee !
* I actually spent some time there and I found out about this and was like o rly ?
And sure enough they showed me the " gifts " they had received from star bucks , a company from some placed called Seattle .
It was actually pretty cool because they were still in their original packaging and branded with starbucks logos !
So that 's how I know about 1/2 the of the story .
The other half I just cobbled up from what the general public believes to be true !
* Maybe about 1/2 of this story is 80 \ % accurate - no guarantees</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See, many years ago, before a little coffee shop turned into this machination of "good coffee," they had wondered into the lands of Coatepec, Veracruz, Mexico.
And while there they tasted some of the most "premium" coffee in the world.
You see, Coatepec has very unique attributes which lend itself to growing coffee.
Thus they produce(d) some of the worlds "best" coffee.
So while Starbucks was there and liking what they tasted, they were also in many other places trying "premium" coffee.
So they ended up getting their supply from elsewhere.
Now if you know anything about Mexico, their Pyramids and Gods, you'll know that they're not something to be taken lightly!
So of course, Coatepec means something like the snake from the hill/mountain.... And thus they're now taking their revenge on Starbucks for not buying their coffee!
*
 
I actually spent some time there and I found out about this and was like o rly?
And sure enough they showed me the "gifts" they had received from star bucks, a company from some placed called Seattle.
It was actually pretty cool because they were still in their original packaging and branded with starbucks logos!
So that's how I know about 1/2 the of the story.
The other half I just cobbled up from what the general public believes to be true!
* Maybe about 1/2 of this story is 80\% accurate - no guarantees</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30706754</id>
	<title>Give me a F'n Break</title>
	<author>Phoghat</author>
	<datestamp>1263046440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait until they hit up Emmerich for aa cut of the "2012" profits</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait until they hit up Emmerich for aa cut of the " 2012 " profits</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait until they hit up Emmerich for aa cut of the "2012" profits</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690730</id>
	<title>Did the Aztec have a concept of copyright?</title>
	<author>SlappyBastard</author>
	<datestamp>1262883540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I struggle to believe that a society that once murder 70,000 in a single day to appease the gods was big on registering copyrights.  I could be wrong, and I'd hate to stereotype, but . .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.</p><p>Why would the Mexican government get that copyright?  Why not a Nahuatl organization?  Or maybe victims fund for all the Tlaxcalans the Aztecs killed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I struggle to believe that a society that once murder 70,000 in a single day to appease the gods was big on registering copyrights .
I could be wrong , and I 'd hate to stereotype , but .
. .Why would the Mexican government get that copyright ?
Why not a Nahuatl organization ?
Or maybe victims fund for all the Tlaxcalans the Aztecs killed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I struggle to believe that a society that once murder 70,000 in a single day to appease the gods was big on registering copyrights.
I could be wrong, and I'd hate to stereotype, but .
. .Why would the Mexican government get that copyright?
Why not a Nahuatl organization?
Or maybe victims fund for all the Tlaxcalans the Aztecs killed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30695672</id>
	<title>It happens the other way too.</title>
	<author>happyfeet2000</author>
	<datestamp>1262970780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For example, if somebody plays the Mexican national anthem publicly in the US you have to pay royalties to some American company that registered the music without anybody's approval.

Same for the image of Guadalupe's Virgin Mary, you have to pay royalties to some Chinese go-getter that registered the image outside of Mexico. It's crazy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For example , if somebody plays the Mexican national anthem publicly in the US you have to pay royalties to some American company that registered the music without anybody 's approval .
Same for the image of Guadalupe 's Virgin Mary , you have to pay royalties to some Chinese go-getter that registered the image outside of Mexico .
It 's crazy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For example, if somebody plays the Mexican national anthem publicly in the US you have to pay royalties to some American company that registered the music without anybody's approval.
Same for the image of Guadalupe's Virgin Mary, you have to pay royalties to some Chinese go-getter that registered the image outside of Mexico.
It's crazy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691884</id>
	<title>Appropriate Response!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262942400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How many New Yorkers does it take to screw in a light bulb!

NONE, F\%&amp;K YOU!</htmltext>
<tokenext>How many New Yorkers does it take to screw in a light bulb !
NONE , F \ % &amp;K YOU !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many New Yorkers does it take to screw in a light bulb!
NONE, F\%&amp;K YOU!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691282</id>
	<title>My response letter would look something like:</title>
	<author>Low Ranked Craig</author>
	<datestamp>1262891760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mexican government<br>To whom it may concern:</p><p>Fuck off.</p><p>Sincerely,</p><p>Starbucks</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mexican governmentTo whom it may concern : Fuck off.Sincerely,Starbucks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mexican governmentTo whom it may concern:Fuck off.Sincerely,Starbucks</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30693750</id>
	<title>Re:What.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262963040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In other news..</p><p>Man claiming he is god sues the United States of America for "In God We Trust" on their currency and the government of Egypt filed a suit shortly after for Egyptian imagery.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In other news..Man claiming he is god sues the United States of America for " In God We Trust " on their currency and the government of Egypt filed a suit shortly after for Egyptian imagery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other news..Man claiming he is god sues the United States of America for "In God We Trust" on their currency and the government of Egypt filed a suit shortly after for Egyptian imagery.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30695772</id>
	<title>Re:What.</title>
	<author>happyfeet2000</author>
	<datestamp>1262971140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's more like a protection against companies or individuals that register Mexican cultural products outside of Mexico and charge unauthorized royalties like it's happening with the Mexican national anthem, registered by an American company, and the image of Guadalupe's virgin Mary, registered by some "enterprising" chinese guy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's more like a protection against companies or individuals that register Mexican cultural products outside of Mexico and charge unauthorized royalties like it 's happening with the Mexican national anthem , registered by an American company , and the image of Guadalupe 's virgin Mary , registered by some " enterprising " chinese guy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's more like a protection against companies or individuals that register Mexican cultural products outside of Mexico and charge unauthorized royalties like it's happening with the Mexican national anthem, registered by an American company, and the image of Guadalupe's virgin Mary, registered by some "enterprising" chinese guy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691152</id>
	<title>Really?</title>
	<author>findawg86</author>
	<datestamp>1262889960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well when the aztecs return from space, they can claim their money, not mexico.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well when the aztecs return from space , they can claim their money , not mexico .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well when the aztecs return from space, they can claim their money, not mexico.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30694234</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1262965560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They can set what rules they like as a condition of entry, and kick you out if you refuse.</p><p>But if you happen to get an image through whatever means - of if even they make an image of a public domain work - it's legal (in the US at least) to copy that. See the recent case involving Wikipedia and some British gallery.</p><p>On another note, surely it's mad here that we're not just talking about a specific image, but the concept of an Aztec image, which copyright surely doesn't apply to at all? You can't copyright ideas, or your culture or history.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They can set what rules they like as a condition of entry , and kick you out if you refuse.But if you happen to get an image through whatever means - of if even they make an image of a public domain work - it 's legal ( in the US at least ) to copy that .
See the recent case involving Wikipedia and some British gallery.On another note , surely it 's mad here that we 're not just talking about a specific image , but the concept of an Aztec image , which copyright surely does n't apply to at all ?
You ca n't copyright ideas , or your culture or history .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They can set what rules they like as a condition of entry, and kick you out if you refuse.But if you happen to get an image through whatever means - of if even they make an image of a public domain work - it's legal (in the US at least) to copy that.
See the recent case involving Wikipedia and some British gallery.On another note, surely it's mad here that we're not just talking about a specific image, but the concept of an Aztec image, which copyright surely doesn't apply to at all?
You can't copyright ideas, or your culture or history.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30692118</id>
	<title>Re:LMAO</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262945700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And of course the Saudi's will pass on the money to the Indians, who originally invented the system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And of course the Saudi 's will pass on the money to the Indians , who originally invented the system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And of course the Saudi's will pass on the money to the Indians, who originally invented the system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30692728</id>
	<title>Re:Property of the nation.</title>
	<author>gtall</author>
	<datestamp>1262953980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, well, if there is a law involved, that makes it okay then. There is a Seinfeld episode where George is going to a chiropractor and he had to cancel an appt. They charged him because he canceled within the 48 hour limit specified in their policy. Later on, the chiropractor had to cancel whereupon George attempted to charge the chiropractor because he now had a policy. There's much truth in that episode.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , well , if there is a law involved , that makes it okay then .
There is a Seinfeld episode where George is going to a chiropractor and he had to cancel an appt .
They charged him because he canceled within the 48 hour limit specified in their policy .
Later on , the chiropractor had to cancel whereupon George attempted to charge the chiropractor because he now had a policy .
There 's much truth in that episode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, well, if there is a law involved, that makes it okay then.
There is a Seinfeld episode where George is going to a chiropractor and he had to cancel an appt.
They charged him because he canceled within the 48 hour limit specified in their policy.
Later on, the chiropractor had to cancel whereupon George attempted to charge the chiropractor because he now had a policy.
There's much truth in that episode.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30693586</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>azcoyote</author>
	<datestamp>1262962020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Mexico is run by a culture and people primarily descended from the people who <b>killed off</b> the Aztecs.  Yes, there are plenty of Indians in Mexico today, but they're pretty much at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder.  The Mexican government is the heir of the Spanish Empire.</p></div><p>Uh, no. It's not that simple.</p><p>First off, "Aztec" is a broad and external moniker generally given to the empire dominated by the Mexica, a specific tribe. Scholars these days tend to refer to the people of Mexico widely as Nahuas, that is, people who speak Nahuatl. With that in mind, descent should not be considered simply from the Mexica, because many of the people who still exhibit a strongly indigenous culture are non-Mexica Nahuas.</p><p>Second, nobody killed off the Aztecs. That's purely a myth. Yes, many were killed, but they didn't just all die. They had children, and the children had children, etc. Through intermarriage, fornication, or rape, the Spaniards and the Nahua mixed. This process was is called mestizaje. Hence a monument in Mexico city marking a key battle reads, "Neither a victory or a defeat, but the painful birth of a mestizo people." The intention of the Spaniards had surely been to completely erase and replace Nahua culture, but they didn't succeed; they couldn't succeed. In such an encounter there tends to be some continuance with what came before, especially inasmuch as the culture before had some connections with the conquering culture that helped the new culture to take root. Mexicans today are not purely Spanish. We don't just fit-in in Spain. The irony is that the cultures that still carry on many indigenous practices, likewise, are not purely indigenous, but they often have taken on many traits from the Spaniards but apparently preserved more traditional elements than the majority of the conquered. Mexico is not as simple as saying that the Spaniards conquered, killed, and replaced; really it's more of a complex, evolutionary situation, where both sides formed something new.</p><p>Of course, some troll will probably insist that there's no native culture remaining because most don't speak Nahuatl and don't worship the sun or use the calendar, but it's not as simple as that. I recommend reading Louise Burkhart's <i>The Slippery Earth</i>, Viviana Diaz Balsera's <i>The Pyramid Under the Cross</i>, or pretty much anything by Jaime Lara.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mexico is run by a culture and people primarily descended from the people who killed off the Aztecs .
Yes , there are plenty of Indians in Mexico today , but they 're pretty much at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder .
The Mexican government is the heir of the Spanish Empire.Uh , no .
It 's not that simple.First off , " Aztec " is a broad and external moniker generally given to the empire dominated by the Mexica , a specific tribe .
Scholars these days tend to refer to the people of Mexico widely as Nahuas , that is , people who speak Nahuatl .
With that in mind , descent should not be considered simply from the Mexica , because many of the people who still exhibit a strongly indigenous culture are non-Mexica Nahuas.Second , nobody killed off the Aztecs .
That 's purely a myth .
Yes , many were killed , but they did n't just all die .
They had children , and the children had children , etc .
Through intermarriage , fornication , or rape , the Spaniards and the Nahua mixed .
This process was is called mestizaje .
Hence a monument in Mexico city marking a key battle reads , " Neither a victory or a defeat , but the painful birth of a mestizo people .
" The intention of the Spaniards had surely been to completely erase and replace Nahua culture , but they did n't succeed ; they could n't succeed .
In such an encounter there tends to be some continuance with what came before , especially inasmuch as the culture before had some connections with the conquering culture that helped the new culture to take root .
Mexicans today are not purely Spanish .
We do n't just fit-in in Spain .
The irony is that the cultures that still carry on many indigenous practices , likewise , are not purely indigenous , but they often have taken on many traits from the Spaniards but apparently preserved more traditional elements than the majority of the conquered .
Mexico is not as simple as saying that the Spaniards conquered , killed , and replaced ; really it 's more of a complex , evolutionary situation , where both sides formed something new.Of course , some troll will probably insist that there 's no native culture remaining because most do n't speak Nahuatl and do n't worship the sun or use the calendar , but it 's not as simple as that .
I recommend reading Louise Burkhart 's The Slippery Earth , Viviana Diaz Balsera 's The Pyramid Under the Cross , or pretty much anything by Jaime Lara .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mexico is run by a culture and people primarily descended from the people who killed off the Aztecs.
Yes, there are plenty of Indians in Mexico today, but they're pretty much at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder.
The Mexican government is the heir of the Spanish Empire.Uh, no.
It's not that simple.First off, "Aztec" is a broad and external moniker generally given to the empire dominated by the Mexica, a specific tribe.
Scholars these days tend to refer to the people of Mexico widely as Nahuas, that is, people who speak Nahuatl.
With that in mind, descent should not be considered simply from the Mexica, because many of the people who still exhibit a strongly indigenous culture are non-Mexica Nahuas.Second, nobody killed off the Aztecs.
That's purely a myth.
Yes, many were killed, but they didn't just all die.
They had children, and the children had children, etc.
Through intermarriage, fornication, or rape, the Spaniards and the Nahua mixed.
This process was is called mestizaje.
Hence a monument in Mexico city marking a key battle reads, "Neither a victory or a defeat, but the painful birth of a mestizo people.
" The intention of the Spaniards had surely been to completely erase and replace Nahua culture, but they didn't succeed; they couldn't succeed.
In such an encounter there tends to be some continuance with what came before, especially inasmuch as the culture before had some connections with the conquering culture that helped the new culture to take root.
Mexicans today are not purely Spanish.
We don't just fit-in in Spain.
The irony is that the cultures that still carry on many indigenous practices, likewise, are not purely indigenous, but they often have taken on many traits from the Spaniards but apparently preserved more traditional elements than the majority of the conquered.
Mexico is not as simple as saying that the Spaniards conquered, killed, and replaced; really it's more of a complex, evolutionary situation, where both sides formed something new.Of course, some troll will probably insist that there's no native culture remaining because most don't speak Nahuatl and don't worship the sun or use the calendar, but it's not as simple as that.
I recommend reading Louise Burkhart's The Slippery Earth, Viviana Diaz Balsera's The Pyramid Under the Cross, or pretty much anything by Jaime Lara.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690682</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262883060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is Mexico though.  They're not run like civilized countries in the rest of the world<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... so if Starbucks wants to do business there, they'll have to play by the rules.  And, knowing Mexico, Starbucks' problems can all go away if they grease the right palms.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is Mexico though .
They 're not run like civilized countries in the rest of the world ... so if Starbucks wants to do business there , they 'll have to play by the rules .
And , knowing Mexico , Starbucks ' problems can all go away if they grease the right palms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is Mexico though.
They're not run like civilized countries in the rest of the world ... so if Starbucks wants to do business there, they'll have to play by the rules.
And, knowing Mexico, Starbucks' problems can all go away if they grease the right palms.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691060</id>
	<title>Starbucks is in trouble</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262887860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Those were developed by the gods. And they are still around.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Those were developed by the gods .
And they are still around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those were developed by the gods.
And they are still around.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691338</id>
	<title>What? Welfare isn't enough?</title>
	<author>Tihstae</author>
	<datestamp>1262892360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We already support a good number of their citizens through welfare and free medical care.  I guess the United States isn't being a good world citizen because we aren't supporting our neighbors enough.</p><p>Or should the money roll south.  Canada, you need to give the United States money so we can pass it on to Mexico.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We already support a good number of their citizens through welfare and free medical care .
I guess the United States is n't being a good world citizen because we are n't supporting our neighbors enough.Or should the money roll south .
Canada , you need to give the United States money so we can pass it on to Mexico .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We already support a good number of their citizens through welfare and free medical care.
I guess the United States isn't being a good world citizen because we aren't supporting our neighbors enough.Or should the money roll south.
Canada, you need to give the United States money so we can pass it on to Mexico.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30704016</id>
	<title>Legal time machine</title>
	<author>MasterOfGoingFaster</author>
	<datestamp>1262967300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So they want money for art created BEFORE the government even existed.  I can see the lawyers pointing out that those artists were not citizens of the current government.</p><p>Say, will they attempt to get royalties on the images of the Alamo?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So they want money for art created BEFORE the government even existed .
I can see the lawyers pointing out that those artists were not citizens of the current government.Say , will they attempt to get royalties on the images of the Alamo ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they want money for art created BEFORE the government even existed.
I can see the lawyers pointing out that those artists were not citizens of the current government.Say, will they attempt to get royalties on the images of the Alamo?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690760</id>
	<title>Amazing</title>
	<author>jgreco</author>
	<datestamp>1262883900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Walt Disney would be proud.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Walt Disney would be proud .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Walt Disney would be proud.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691562</id>
	<title>property of the nation</title>
	<author>nanahuatzin</author>
	<datestamp>1262981700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In Mexico, many things like historical monuments, and natural resources are considered owned by the nation.
<p>
The permision is not very dificult, and is only required for comercial proyects:
</p><p>
<a href="http://www.cofemertramites.gob.mx/intranet/co\_dialog\_PublishedTramite.asp?coNodes=1190358&amp;num\_modalidad=3" title="cofemertramites.gob.mx" rel="nofollow">http://www.cofemertramites.gob.mx/intranet/co\_dialog\_PublishedTramite.asp?coNodes=1190358&amp;num\_modalidad=3</a> [cofemertramites.gob.mx]
</p><p>
In the link there is the e-mail of the people in charge of this.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Mexico , many things like historical monuments , and natural resources are considered owned by the nation .
The permision is not very dificult , and is only required for comercial proyects : http : //www.cofemertramites.gob.mx/intranet/co \ _dialog \ _PublishedTramite.asp ? coNodes = 1190358&amp;num \ _modalidad = 3 [ cofemertramites.gob.mx ] In the link there is the e-mail of the people in charge of this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Mexico, many things like historical monuments, and natural resources are considered owned by the nation.
The permision is not very dificult, and is only required for comercial proyects:

http://www.cofemertramites.gob.mx/intranet/co\_dialog\_PublishedTramite.asp?coNodes=1190358&amp;num\_modalidad=3 [cofemertramites.gob.mx]

In the link there is the e-mail of the people in charge of this.
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690742</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30693622</id>
	<title>Re:Property of the nation.</title>
	<author>Skapare</author>
	<datestamp>1262962260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But that is just M&#233;xican law.  So the solution is for Starbucks to not use the designs in M&#233;xico.  Problem solved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But that is just M   xican law .
So the solution is for Starbucks to not use the designs in M   xico .
Problem solved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But that is just Méxican law.
So the solution is for Starbucks to not use the designs in México.
Problem solved.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691374</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30692080</id>
	<title>Starbucks should be aware of Montezuma's revenge</title>
	<author>rajish</author>
	<datestamp>1262945160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It won't be funny for customers when they'll have to seek for toilet after every coffee</htmltext>
<tokenext>It wo n't be funny for customers when they 'll have to seek for toilet after every coffee</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It won't be funny for customers when they'll have to seek for toilet after every coffee</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30693102</id>
	<title>Re:Having to pay British for using the English lan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262958180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess everyone needs to pay for the use of speaking and writing the English Language<br>to the British. The same goes for all the other languages too!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess everyone needs to pay for the use of speaking and writing the English Languageto the British .
The same goes for all the other languages too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess everyone needs to pay for the use of speaking and writing the English Languageto the British.
The same goes for all the other languages too!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690766</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691586</id>
	<title>Re:So they can give it to the tribes, right?</title>
	<author>nanahuatzin</author>
	<datestamp>1262982000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, the fee is used for the conservation of historical monuments. It includes any monument or archeological site that is under the juridiction INAH. (National institute of antropology and history) <a href="http://dti.inah.gob.mx/index.php?option=com\_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=2700&amp;Itemid=463" title="inah.gob.mx" rel="nofollow">http://dti.inah.gob.mx/index.php?option=com\_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=2700&amp;Itemid=463</a> [inah.gob.mx]
<p>
If the momument has not been declared a national site, there is no fee.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , the fee is used for the conservation of historical monuments .
It includes any monument or archeological site that is under the juridiction INAH .
( National institute of antropology and history ) http : //dti.inah.gob.mx/index.php ? option = com \ _content&amp;task = view&amp;id = 2700&amp;Itemid = 463 [ inah.gob.mx ] If the momument has not been declared a national site , there is no fee .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, the fee is used for the conservation of historical monuments.
It includes any monument or archeological site that is under the juridiction INAH.
(National institute of antropology and history) http://dti.inah.gob.mx/index.php?option=com\_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=2700&amp;Itemid=463 [inah.gob.mx]

If the momument has not been declared a national site, there is no fee.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690892</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30692642</id>
	<title>It's a just a joke people, don't worry.</title>
	<author>jbssm</author>
	<datestamp>1262952900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Naa, they are just making a joke, to make USA see how idiot it is to have patents like multitouch, double-click, drag and drop, etc<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Naa , they are just making a joke , to make USA see how idiot it is to have patents like multitouch , double-click , drag and drop , etc .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Naa, they are just making a joke, to make USA see how idiot it is to have patents like multitouch, double-click, drag and drop, etc ...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691128</id>
	<title>Fine, in that case.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262889420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I want a pony.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I want a pony .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want a pony.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690964</id>
	<title>mine all mine....</title>
	<author>ushere</author>
	<datestamp>1262886420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i'm putting a claim for copyright on the english alphabet...</p><p>so all you m'f'kers be ready for a visit from my lawyers...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i 'm putting a claim for copyright on the english alphabet...so all you m'f'kers be ready for a visit from my lawyers.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i'm putting a claim for copyright on the english alphabet...so all you m'f'kers be ready for a visit from my lawyers...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30693022</id>
	<title>Re:Property of the nation.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262957340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so suppose there are two similar temples - one inside Mexico an the other 20 miles away in US. they are from the same culture some hundreds years in the past. If I take pictures of the one in the US should I ask permission from the Mexicans ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so suppose there are two similar temples - one inside Mexico an the other 20 miles away in US .
they are from the same culture some hundreds years in the past .
If I take pictures of the one in the US should I ask permission from the Mexicans ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so suppose there are two similar temples - one inside Mexico an the other 20 miles away in US.
they are from the same culture some hundreds years in the past.
If I take pictures of the one in the US should I ask permission from the Mexicans ?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691374</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691514</id>
	<title>White House must pay the Greek government</title>
	<author>VincenzoRomano</author>
	<datestamp>1262980920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For using the Corinth style capitals and columns in its buildings<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</htmltext>
<tokenext>For using the Corinth style capitals and columns in its buildings .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For using the Corinth style capitals and columns in its buildings ...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30696442</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>jim\_v2000</author>
	<datestamp>1262973660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder if <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?source=s\_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=mexico+pyramids&amp;sll=19.691163,-98.84438&amp;sspn=0.00701,0.009527&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;split=1&amp;filter=0&amp;rq=1&amp;ev=zo&amp;radius=0.31&amp;hq=mexico+pyramids&amp;hnear=&amp;ll=19.690425,-98.844252&amp;spn=0.00701,0.009527&amp;t=h&amp;z=17" title="google.com">Google</a> [google.com] has paid up?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if Google [ google.com ] has paid up ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if Google [google.com] has paid up?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691100</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30695402</id>
	<title>Re:Did the Aztec have a concept of copyright?</title>
	<author>russotto</author>
	<datestamp>1262969880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>the arqueological excavation have revelead a few hundred sacrifices, far from the thousands claimed...</p><p>by comparition, in Auswtiz with their four gass chambers wrking 24 a day, they could execute about 4,000 prisioners a day...</p></div> </blockquote><p>Great.  So you're saying that compared with the Nazis, the Aztecs were no mass murderers.  Sort of a Godwin version of "damning with faint praise" if you ask me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the arqueological excavation have revelead a few hundred sacrifices , far from the thousands claimed...by comparition , in Auswtiz with their four gass chambers wrking 24 a day , they could execute about 4,000 prisioners a day... Great. So you 're saying that compared with the Nazis , the Aztecs were no mass murderers .
Sort of a Godwin version of " damning with faint praise " if you ask me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the arqueological excavation have revelead a few hundred sacrifices, far from the thousands claimed...by comparition, in Auswtiz with their four gass chambers wrking 24 a day, they could execute about 4,000 prisioners a day... Great.  So you're saying that compared with the Nazis, the Aztecs were no mass murderers.
Sort of a Godwin version of "damning with faint praise" if you ask me.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691474</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30693822</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>FatherDale</author>
	<datestamp>1262963400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah. Maybe that whole tourism thing isn't working out for them and they need some bad press to calm it down a bit...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah .
Maybe that whole tourism thing is n't working out for them and they need some bad press to calm it down a bit.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah.
Maybe that whole tourism thing isn't working out for them and they need some bad press to calm it down a bit...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690854</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691032</id>
	<title>Just in...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262887560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey Mexico, my middle finger just called and it wants its 'Fuck You' back.</p><p>(?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey Mexico , my middle finger just called and it wants its 'Fuck You ' back. ( ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey Mexico, my middle finger just called and it wants its 'Fuck You' back.(?
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691218</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>master5o1</author>
	<datestamp>1262890860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is the USA though. They're not run like civilized countries in the rest of the world<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... so if Starbucks wants to do business there, they'll have to play by the rules. And, knowing USA, Starbucks' problems can all go away if they grease the right palms.</p></div><p>What country can this not apply to?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the USA though .
They 're not run like civilized countries in the rest of the world ... so if Starbucks wants to do business there , they 'll have to play by the rules .
And , knowing USA , Starbucks ' problems can all go away if they grease the right palms.What country can this not apply to ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the USA though.
They're not run like civilized countries in the rest of the world ... so if Starbucks wants to do business there, they'll have to play by the rules.
And, knowing USA, Starbucks' problems can all go away if they grease the right palms.What country can this not apply to?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690682</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30696552</id>
	<title>the real news</title>
	<author>corbettw</author>
	<datestamp>1262974080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The real news about this story is that a post on Idle led to over 200 comments!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The real news about this story is that a post on Idle led to over 200 comments !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real news about this story is that a post on Idle led to over 200 comments!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30705580</id>
	<title>Mexico didn't even exist at the time</title>
	<author>dave87656</author>
	<datestamp>1263070320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mexico didn't even exist at the time. How can they claim copyright?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mexico did n't even exist at the time .
How can they claim copyright ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mexico didn't even exist at the time.
How can they claim copyright?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691826</id>
	<title>CS?</title>
	<author>bronney</author>
	<datestamp>1262941980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here you go.</p><p><a href="http://images.google.com.hk/images?q=de\_aztec&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;sa=N&amp;hl=en&amp;tab=wi" title="google.com.hk">http://images.google.com.hk/images?q=de\_aztec&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;sa=N&amp;hl=en&amp;tab=wi</a> [google.com.hk]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here you go.http : //images.google.com.hk/images ? q = de \ _aztec&amp;oe = utf-8&amp;rls = org.mozilla : en-US : official&amp;client = firefox-a&amp;um = 1&amp;ie = UTF-8&amp;sa = N&amp;hl = en&amp;tab = wi [ google.com.hk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here you go.http://images.google.com.hk/images?q=de\_aztec&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;sa=N&amp;hl=en&amp;tab=wi [google.com.hk]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690994</id>
	<title>Maybe..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262886840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>By the same logic, maybe the German government should sue for payment each time a swastika is used by someone..
<br> <br>
Yep, TFA just got godwinned<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>By the same logic , maybe the German government should sue for payment each time a swastika is used by someone. . Yep , TFA just got godwinned : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By the same logic, maybe the German government should sue for payment each time a swastika is used by someone..
 
Yep, TFA just got godwinned :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690688</id>
	<title>I've got a stronger claim</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262883120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm Scottish and I want cash every time some one uses my family's tartan in a design or for cloth!</p><p>This is nuts especially since people have been using Aztec and Mayan designs for decades. They smell deep pockets and that's all this is about. Where does the insanity stop? Every country controls designs going back millions of years so long as it came from within their borders?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm Scottish and I want cash every time some one uses my family 's tartan in a design or for cloth ! This is nuts especially since people have been using Aztec and Mayan designs for decades .
They smell deep pockets and that 's all this is about .
Where does the insanity stop ?
Every country controls designs going back millions of years so long as it came from within their borders ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm Scottish and I want cash every time some one uses my family's tartan in a design or for cloth!This is nuts especially since people have been using Aztec and Mayan designs for decades.
They smell deep pockets and that's all this is about.
Where does the insanity stop?
Every country controls designs going back millions of years so long as it came from within their borders?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690890</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>jdgeorge</author>
	<datestamp>1262885520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article was light on significant details. It looks as if these images are used effectively as trademarks in Mexico, used for purposes of tourism, or some such thing. This is obviously not a copyright issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article was light on significant details .
It looks as if these images are used effectively as trademarks in Mexico , used for purposes of tourism , or some such thing .
This is obviously not a copyright issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article was light on significant details.
It looks as if these images are used effectively as trademarks in Mexico, used for purposes of tourism, or some such thing.
This is obviously not a copyright issue.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690662</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690844</id>
	<title>Re:I've got a stronger claim</title>
	<author>electrons\_are\_brave</author>
	<datestamp>1262884920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lucky ducky that your family has a tartan! I'm Scottish from a long line of Scots, but being a grotty lowlanders, we had naught but a knock on the head handed down through the generations. However, there are rules of use for tartans - and I'm quite happy to protect your families heritage from being ripped off by some American fast food chain. It's not about copyright to me - it's also the issue of treating other people's culture with respect. For example, in Australia, it became quite common for people to use "aboriginal" designs to flog tourist items, while the Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander people died in poverty of third world diseases. And how many record companies have ripped of poor Africans for source music without paying them a cent?<p>


Mexico is a pretty poor country. I wouldn't object to there being some fund for use of these images for profit in foreign countries provided the money went into some cultural preservation purposes (for maintenance of the ruins or something).</p><p>

I don't really see it as a copyright issue at all. I would have linked to have read more about the matter than the link above gave.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lucky ducky that your family has a tartan !
I 'm Scottish from a long line of Scots , but being a grotty lowlanders , we had naught but a knock on the head handed down through the generations .
However , there are rules of use for tartans - and I 'm quite happy to protect your families heritage from being ripped off by some American fast food chain .
It 's not about copyright to me - it 's also the issue of treating other people 's culture with respect .
For example , in Australia , it became quite common for people to use " aboriginal " designs to flog tourist items , while the Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander people died in poverty of third world diseases .
And how many record companies have ripped of poor Africans for source music without paying them a cent ?
Mexico is a pretty poor country .
I would n't object to there being some fund for use of these images for profit in foreign countries provided the money went into some cultural preservation purposes ( for maintenance of the ruins or something ) .
I do n't really see it as a copyright issue at all .
I would have linked to have read more about the matter than the link above gave .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lucky ducky that your family has a tartan!
I'm Scottish from a long line of Scots, but being a grotty lowlanders, we had naught but a knock on the head handed down through the generations.
However, there are rules of use for tartans - and I'm quite happy to protect your families heritage from being ripped off by some American fast food chain.
It's not about copyright to me - it's also the issue of treating other people's culture with respect.
For example, in Australia, it became quite common for people to use "aboriginal" designs to flog tourist items, while the Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander people died in poverty of third world diseases.
And how many record companies have ripped of poor Africans for source music without paying them a cent?
Mexico is a pretty poor country.
I wouldn't object to there being some fund for use of these images for profit in foreign countries provided the money went into some cultural preservation purposes (for maintenance of the ruins or something).
I don't really see it as a copyright issue at all.
I would have linked to have read more about the matter than the link above gave.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30698756</id>
	<title>Not Theirs The Ask</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1262983380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the image belongs to anyone, it's not Mexico, but the Nahua <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahua\_peoples" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahua\_peoples</a> [wikipedia.org] .</p><p>This is what happens when the winners write the history, and it says "they were wiped out" but they weren't wiped out.</p><p>Hopefully Starbucks will get the jump on Mexico and pay the Nahua. And hopefully Mexico won't decide to finish the job like they've been doing with the Maya in Chiapas.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the image belongs to anyone , it 's not Mexico , but the Nahua http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahua \ _peoples [ wikipedia.org ] .This is what happens when the winners write the history , and it says " they were wiped out " but they were n't wiped out.Hopefully Starbucks will get the jump on Mexico and pay the Nahua .
And hopefully Mexico wo n't decide to finish the job like they 've been doing with the Maya in Chiapas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the image belongs to anyone, it's not Mexico, but the Nahua http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahua\_peoples [wikipedia.org] .This is what happens when the winners write the history, and it says "they were wiped out" but they weren't wiped out.Hopefully Starbucks will get the jump on Mexico and pay the Nahua.
And hopefully Mexico won't decide to finish the job like they've been doing with the Maya in Chiapas.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30702462</id>
	<title>Re:So they can give it to the tribes, right?</title>
	<author>theNAM666</author>
	<datestamp>1262956380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually-- Mexico spends a large percentage of our federal budget on indigenous peoples,  who represent a large portion of the population.  In this case royalties may simply be paid to the Archaeological Service-- but yes,  in essence,  this helps support indigenous groups (not:  tribes,  this is not the US,  nos no hablamos Ingles aqui).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually-- Mexico spends a large percentage of our federal budget on indigenous peoples , who represent a large portion of the population .
In this case royalties may simply be paid to the Archaeological Service-- but yes , in essence , this helps support indigenous groups ( not : tribes , this is not the US , nos no hablamos Ingles aqui ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually-- Mexico spends a large percentage of our federal budget on indigenous peoples,  who represent a large portion of the population.
In this case royalties may simply be paid to the Archaeological Service-- but yes,  in essence,  this helps support indigenous groups (not:  tribes,  this is not the US,  nos no hablamos Ingles aqui).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690854</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>O('\_')O\_Bush</author>
	<datestamp>1262885100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>FTA: "The government archaeological agency said Wednesday it will decide by next week whether Starbucks should pay any fees. "<br><br>Has anyone thought yet to ask where the images came from? It seems obvious to me that what could have happened was that Starbucks took photographs taken by the government archaeological society, which the society may have used for post-cards, t-shirts, or other tourism items and placed them on Starbucks mugs without paying fees to the Mexican government for those photographs.<br><br>Those photographs would then be copyright, just as any photograph would.</htmltext>
<tokenext>FTA : " The government archaeological agency said Wednesday it will decide by next week whether Starbucks should pay any fees .
" Has anyone thought yet to ask where the images came from ?
It seems obvious to me that what could have happened was that Starbucks took photographs taken by the government archaeological society , which the society may have used for post-cards , t-shirts , or other tourism items and placed them on Starbucks mugs without paying fees to the Mexican government for those photographs.Those photographs would then be copyright , just as any photograph would .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTA: "The government archaeological agency said Wednesday it will decide by next week whether Starbucks should pay any fees.
"Has anyone thought yet to ask where the images came from?
It seems obvious to me that what could have happened was that Starbucks took photographs taken by the government archaeological society, which the society may have used for post-cards, t-shirts, or other tourism items and placed them on Starbucks mugs without paying fees to the Mexican government for those photographs.Those photographs would then be copyright, just as any photograph would.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691912</id>
	<title>Re:My response letter would look something like:</title>
	<author>richardkelleher</author>
	<datestamp>1262942580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just remember, correlation does not preclude causation either.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just remember , correlation does not preclude causation either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just remember, correlation does not preclude causation either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691474</id>
	<title>Re:Did the Aztec have a concept of copyright?</title>
	<author>nanahuatzin</author>
	<datestamp>1262894220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Acording to the aztec, their Tlatoani Ahuizotl, persoally  killed 84,400 prisioners in four days using a stone knife...
<p>
However, most experts consider these numbers to be overstated. For example, the sheer logistics associated with sacrificing 84,000 victims would be overwhelming, mos historia asume the aztec put a few extra zeroes as propaganda...
</p><p>
the arqueological excavation have revelead a few hundred sacrifices, far from the thousands claimed...
</p><p>
by comparition, in Auswtiz with their four gass chambers wrking 24 a day, they could execute about 4,000 prisioners a day...
</p><p>
The Tlaxcaltecas also killed  and sacrifice Aztecs... Theyre power was very similar, it required only a small force to push de balance... that force was Cortez.
</p><p>
At the end, germs killed much more aztecs and Tlaxcaltecas than the war.
</p><p>
Trivia.  The aztecs.... called themsleves meshicas... their gods had forbiten to call themselves aztecs...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Acording to the aztec , their Tlatoani Ahuizotl , persoally killed 84,400 prisioners in four days using a stone knife.. . However , most experts consider these numbers to be overstated .
For example , the sheer logistics associated with sacrificing 84,000 victims would be overwhelming , mos historia asume the aztec put a few extra zeroes as propaganda.. . the arqueological excavation have revelead a few hundred sacrifices , far from the thousands claimed.. . by comparition , in Auswtiz with their four gass chambers wrking 24 a day , they could execute about 4,000 prisioners a day.. . The Tlaxcaltecas also killed and sacrifice Aztecs... Theyre power was very similar , it required only a small force to push de balance... that force was Cortez .
At the end , germs killed much more aztecs and Tlaxcaltecas than the war .
Trivia. The aztecs.... called themsleves meshicas... their gods had forbiten to call themselves aztecs.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Acording to the aztec, their Tlatoani Ahuizotl, persoally  killed 84,400 prisioners in four days using a stone knife...

However, most experts consider these numbers to be overstated.
For example, the sheer logistics associated with sacrificing 84,000 victims would be overwhelming, mos historia asume the aztec put a few extra zeroes as propaganda...

the arqueological excavation have revelead a few hundred sacrifices, far from the thousands claimed...

by comparition, in Auswtiz with their four gass chambers wrking 24 a day, they could execute about 4,000 prisioners a day...

The Tlaxcaltecas also killed  and sacrifice Aztecs... Theyre power was very similar, it required only a small force to push de balance... that force was Cortez.
At the end, germs killed much more aztecs and Tlaxcaltecas than the war.
Trivia.  The aztecs.... called themsleves meshicas... their gods had forbiten to call themselves aztecs...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30701202</id>
	<title>Ridiculous IPRs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262950500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I say this is a call to end ridiculous intellectual property rights. Mexico's request may sound ridiculous, but the US patent office is ridiculous too. I can register for a patent for just about anything and can sue people who "invent" the same thing later.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I say this is a call to end ridiculous intellectual property rights .
Mexico 's request may sound ridiculous , but the US patent office is ridiculous too .
I can register for a patent for just about anything and can sue people who " invent " the same thing later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I say this is a call to end ridiculous intellectual property rights.
Mexico's request may sound ridiculous, but the US patent office is ridiculous too.
I can register for a patent for just about anything and can sue people who "invent" the same thing later.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690716</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>Fluffeh</author>
	<datestamp>1262883300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In most countries which have copyright laws it extends only 50 or so years after the author dies.</p></div><p>Not only that, but it's up to the copyright owner themselves to make the complaint. How on earth does a government "inherit" copyright just because the original owner was from their country? That's like the British government suing anyone who does things based on William Shakespeare because he was English.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In most countries which have copyright laws it extends only 50 or so years after the author dies.Not only that , but it 's up to the copyright owner themselves to make the complaint .
How on earth does a government " inherit " copyright just because the original owner was from their country ?
That 's like the British government suing anyone who does things based on William Shakespeare because he was English .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In most countries which have copyright laws it extends only 50 or so years after the author dies.Not only that, but it's up to the copyright owner themselves to make the complaint.
How on earth does a government "inherit" copyright just because the original owner was from their country?
That's like the British government suing anyone who does things based on William Shakespeare because he was English.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691028</id>
	<title>We want payment too!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262887500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We want mexico to pay us for all the boarder jumpers that come here for medical and social services they get for FREE!  We want payment of the taxes they circumvent by working under the table and then send the money to mexico.  We want payment for all the crime they bring to this country and the cost of enforcement of the immigration laws they circumvent requiring us to round them up, process them, and then send them back to where they belong, SOUTH OF THE BOARDER!  Pay us first and then we can talk about the works of a people that have vanished off of the planet before mexico WAS mexico!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We want mexico to pay us for all the boarder jumpers that come here for medical and social services they get for FREE !
We want payment of the taxes they circumvent by working under the table and then send the money to mexico .
We want payment for all the crime they bring to this country and the cost of enforcement of the immigration laws they circumvent requiring us to round them up , process them , and then send them back to where they belong , SOUTH OF THE BOARDER !
Pay us first and then we can talk about the works of a people that have vanished off of the planet before mexico WAS mexico !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We want mexico to pay us for all the boarder jumpers that come here for medical and social services they get for FREE!
We want payment of the taxes they circumvent by working under the table and then send the money to mexico.
We want payment for all the crime they bring to this country and the cost of enforcement of the immigration laws they circumvent requiring us to round them up, process them, and then send them back to where they belong, SOUTH OF THE BOARDER!
Pay us first and then we can talk about the works of a people that have vanished off of the planet before mexico WAS mexico!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30693592</id>
	<title>Re:Where are the pictures</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262962080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No they didn't...and don't call me surely.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No they did n't...and do n't call me surely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No they didn't...and don't call me surely.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690802</id>
	<title>Depends</title>
	<author>Rehnberg</author>
	<datestamp>1262884320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is the Disney of the Aztec Empire still around?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is the Disney of the Aztec Empire still around ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is the Disney of the Aztec Empire still around?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691616</id>
	<title>Death certificate?</title>
	<author>N Monkey</author>
	<datestamp>1262982720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In most countries which have copyright laws it extends only 50 or so years after the author dies.</p></div><p>Perhaps that's the point. No one has produced the Aztec death certificate of the original artist so he/she might still be alive<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In most countries which have copyright laws it extends only 50 or so years after the author dies.Perhaps that 's the point .
No one has produced the Aztec death certificate of the original artist so he/she might still be alive : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In most countries which have copyright laws it extends only 50 or so years after the author dies.Perhaps that's the point.
No one has produced the Aztec death certificate of the original artist so he/she might still be alive :-)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691254</id>
	<title>Mexican idiots: GO AWAY !!!</title>
	<author>nomad63</author>
	<datestamp>1262891340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If it is up to Mexican reconquistas, US residents should pack up and go back to the motherland, i.e. Europe, leaving the land to them. This royalty for thousand years old images is another display of the same sentiment. I live in Souther California (or northern Mexico if you choose to say so) and this reconquista movement is getting to my nerves. If your ancestors were stupid enough to sell the land to the US, don't come crying to me now, asking it back. Go pound sand. I am really touch about these people's behaviour. I did not come to the US and overcome every bureaucratic hurdle to become a US citizen to listen to the Mexican La Raza idiots. I want to kick them in the ass for such stupid demands.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it is up to Mexican reconquistas , US residents should pack up and go back to the motherland , i.e .
Europe , leaving the land to them .
This royalty for thousand years old images is another display of the same sentiment .
I live in Souther California ( or northern Mexico if you choose to say so ) and this reconquista movement is getting to my nerves .
If your ancestors were stupid enough to sell the land to the US , do n't come crying to me now , asking it back .
Go pound sand .
I am really touch about these people 's behaviour .
I did not come to the US and overcome every bureaucratic hurdle to become a US citizen to listen to the Mexican La Raza idiots .
I want to kick them in the ass for such stupid demands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it is up to Mexican reconquistas, US residents should pack up and go back to the motherland, i.e.
Europe, leaving the land to them.
This royalty for thousand years old images is another display of the same sentiment.
I live in Souther California (or northern Mexico if you choose to say so) and this reconquista movement is getting to my nerves.
If your ancestors were stupid enough to sell the land to the US, don't come crying to me now, asking it back.
Go pound sand.
I am really touch about these people's behaviour.
I did not come to the US and overcome every bureaucratic hurdle to become a US citizen to listen to the Mexican La Raza idiots.
I want to kick them in the ass for such stupid demands.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691100</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>Narpak</author>
	<datestamp>1262888700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Has anyone thought yet to ask where the images came from? It seems obvious to me that what could have happened was that Starbucks took photographs taken by the government archaeological society, which the society may have used for post-cards, t-shirts, or other tourism items and placed them on Starbucks mugs without paying fees to the Mexican government for those photographs.</p></div><p>I tried to search around the web a bit, but the only thing I found was <a href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/economy/starbucks-plans-to-pay-mexico-for-permission-to-sell-mug-bearing-pyramid-image-aztec-calendar-80966312.html" title="washingtonexaminer.com">this quote from the Washington Examiner</a> [washingtonexaminer.com] </p><p><div class="quote"><p>Mexico's government archaeological agency says the images of the Aztec calendar stone and the Pyramid of the Moon from the pre-Aztec ruins of Teotihuacan are the intellectual property of the nation. The agency will decide how much Starbucks should pay.</p></div><p>Which seems to imply, to my mind, that this isn't the matter of specific photographs being copied, but rather that the Mexican government considers <i>any</i> photographs of these artefacts/sites to be the intellectual property of Mexico. <br> <br>That being said I have yet to find any site or news provider, that referees to this case in more detail; so I shall hold my judgement until then.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Has anyone thought yet to ask where the images came from ?
It seems obvious to me that what could have happened was that Starbucks took photographs taken by the government archaeological society , which the society may have used for post-cards , t-shirts , or other tourism items and placed them on Starbucks mugs without paying fees to the Mexican government for those photographs.I tried to search around the web a bit , but the only thing I found was this quote from the Washington Examiner [ washingtonexaminer.com ] Mexico 's government archaeological agency says the images of the Aztec calendar stone and the Pyramid of the Moon from the pre-Aztec ruins of Teotihuacan are the intellectual property of the nation .
The agency will decide how much Starbucks should pay.Which seems to imply , to my mind , that this is n't the matter of specific photographs being copied , but rather that the Mexican government considers any photographs of these artefacts/sites to be the intellectual property of Mexico .
That being said I have yet to find any site or news provider , that referees to this case in more detail ; so I shall hold my judgement until then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has anyone thought yet to ask where the images came from?
It seems obvious to me that what could have happened was that Starbucks took photographs taken by the government archaeological society, which the society may have used for post-cards, t-shirts, or other tourism items and placed them on Starbucks mugs without paying fees to the Mexican government for those photographs.I tried to search around the web a bit, but the only thing I found was this quote from the Washington Examiner [washingtonexaminer.com] Mexico's government archaeological agency says the images of the Aztec calendar stone and the Pyramid of the Moon from the pre-Aztec ruins of Teotihuacan are the intellectual property of the nation.
The agency will decide how much Starbucks should pay.Which seems to imply, to my mind, that this isn't the matter of specific photographs being copied, but rather that the Mexican government considers any photographs of these artefacts/sites to be the intellectual property of Mexico.
That being said I have yet to find any site or news provider, that referees to this case in more detail; so I shall hold my judgement until then.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691250</id>
	<title>Don't take mexican politics lightly...</title>
	<author>rafusmx</author>
	<datestamp>1262891280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh boy! You think that ancient painting is far away of any kind of copyright protection?

Think twice... Unfortunately this is Mexico you're talking about.

Just as reference. Mexico could be one of the most powerful countries in the world if we knew what happens with the resources XP... (Just take a look on the payroll of politics and government offices).

National corruption is just a hobby around here; a nice challenge for the first quarter of this year could be to blackmail an international company...and why not Starbucks?


I fell shame and sadness looking news like this...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh boy !
You think that ancient painting is far away of any kind of copyright protection ?
Think twice... Unfortunately this is Mexico you 're talking about .
Just as reference .
Mexico could be one of the most powerful countries in the world if we knew what happens with the resources XP... ( Just take a look on the payroll of politics and government offices ) .
National corruption is just a hobby around here ; a nice challenge for the first quarter of this year could be to blackmail an international company...and why not Starbucks ?
I fell shame and sadness looking news like this.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh boy!
You think that ancient painting is far away of any kind of copyright protection?
Think twice... Unfortunately this is Mexico you're talking about.
Just as reference.
Mexico could be one of the most powerful countries in the world if we knew what happens with the resources XP... (Just take a look on the payroll of politics and government offices).
National corruption is just a hobby around here; a nice challenge for the first quarter of this year could be to blackmail an international company...and why not Starbucks?
I fell shame and sadness looking news like this...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690812</id>
	<title>This is great</title>
	<author>macemoneta</author>
	<datestamp>1262884560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The copyright, trademark, and patent insanity will only stop once everyone is negatively impacted.  It's got to get (much) worse before it will get better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The copyright , trademark , and patent insanity will only stop once everyone is negatively impacted .
It 's got to get ( much ) worse before it will get better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The copyright, trademark, and patent insanity will only stop once everyone is negatively impacted.
It's got to get (much) worse before it will get better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691124</id>
	<title>How about an exchange?</title>
	<author>c1ay</author>
	<datestamp>1262889360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Mexican government collects some token fee for these images and pays the U.S. government for all of the U.S. medical care provided to Mexican citizens in our Emergency Rooms. Fair is fair right. Shouldn't those parties that are actually owed something be able to collect it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Mexican government collects some token fee for these images and pays the U.S. government for all of the U.S. medical care provided to Mexican citizens in our Emergency Rooms .
Fair is fair right .
Should n't those parties that are actually owed something be able to collect it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Mexican government collects some token fee for these images and pays the U.S. government for all of the U.S. medical care provided to Mexican citizens in our Emergency Rooms.
Fair is fair right.
Shouldn't those parties that are actually owed something be able to collect it?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690918</id>
	<title>LMAO</title>
	<author>multimediavt</author>
	<datestamp>1262886000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's next? We're going to have to pay the Italians for using Roman letters and the Saudi's for using Arabic numbers?  Ridiculous!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's next ?
We 're going to have to pay the Italians for using Roman letters and the Saudi 's for using Arabic numbers ?
Ridiculous !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's next?
We're going to have to pay the Italians for using Roman letters and the Saudi's for using Arabic numbers?
Ridiculous!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691886</id>
	<title>is cheaper to pay...</title>
	<author>nanahuatzin</author>
	<datestamp>1262942400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>actually it would be cheaper to pay the fee.. it goes about 200 US per image....</htmltext>
<tokenext>actually it would be cheaper to pay the fee.. it goes about 200 US per image... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>actually it would be cheaper to pay the fee.. it goes about 200 US per image....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691148</id>
	<title>PREHISTORIC?</title>
	<author>chizor</author>
	<datestamp>1262889840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>calling aztec images "prehistoric" is racist. would a society without recorded history have one of the most advanced calendars of all time, still being reproduced on coffee mugs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>calling aztec images " prehistoric " is racist .
would a society without recorded history have one of the most advanced calendars of all time , still being reproduced on coffee mugs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>calling aztec images "prehistoric" is racist.
would a society without recorded history have one of the most advanced calendars of all time, still being reproduced on coffee mugs?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30694930</id>
	<title>Different Ideas of Intellectual Property</title>
	<author>alfarovive</author>
	<datestamp>1262968260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>One thing to take note is that Mexico has different ideas concerning intellectual property.  The national emblem for example is ruled by a strict code that does not let allow it to be reproduced for anything other than governmental/national use. The Mexican flag, is similarly protected, it cannot be printed on shirts, or underwear or on guitars like the American flag can.

I am not a specialist, but taking these to cases' examples I can imagine a similar train of thought that might lead to protection not necessarily a copyright or I.P. law that restricts the use of such national emblems.

Mexican identity is deeply rooted in both catholic(Spanish) and native traditions, national symbols are not so easy to define.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One thing to take note is that Mexico has different ideas concerning intellectual property .
The national emblem for example is ruled by a strict code that does not let allow it to be reproduced for anything other than governmental/national use .
The Mexican flag , is similarly protected , it can not be printed on shirts , or underwear or on guitars like the American flag can .
I am not a specialist , but taking these to cases ' examples I can imagine a similar train of thought that might lead to protection not necessarily a copyright or I.P .
law that restricts the use of such national emblems .
Mexican identity is deeply rooted in both catholic ( Spanish ) and native traditions , national symbols are not so easy to define .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One thing to take note is that Mexico has different ideas concerning intellectual property.
The national emblem for example is ruled by a strict code that does not let allow it to be reproduced for anything other than governmental/national use.
The Mexican flag, is similarly protected, it cannot be printed on shirts, or underwear or on guitars like the American flag can.
I am not a specialist, but taking these to cases' examples I can imagine a similar train of thought that might lead to protection not necessarily a copyright or I.P.
law that restricts the use of such national emblems.
Mexican identity is deeply rooted in both catholic(Spanish) and native traditions, national symbols are not so easy to define.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690742</id>
	<title>What.</title>
	<author>RyanFenton</author>
	<datestamp>1262883600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What...</p><p>That's crazy.  I can sort of understand wanting compensation for something your government created, to recompense taxpayer expense... but to ask recompense for an artistic STYLE your nation was built upon the dead remains of is WAY beyond my usual expectations of baseless money-grabbing.</p><p>If there was a copyright on the creation, it has expired.  By a few thousand years.  There is certainly no derivative works clause you can pull out at this point.</p><p>Even if you want to stake some claim on government effort in excavation, the only efforts you can claim ownership of would be individual performances/creations you have based on the original works - anyone else can just base their works on the original and avoid any derivative claims.</p><p>Still, my guess is that this isn't really about making a serious claim - it's about getting settlements - about casting nets and seeing what comes back.  The governmental version of SCO-style license trolling.</p><p>Ryan Fenton</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What...That 's crazy .
I can sort of understand wanting compensation for something your government created , to recompense taxpayer expense... but to ask recompense for an artistic STYLE your nation was built upon the dead remains of is WAY beyond my usual expectations of baseless money-grabbing.If there was a copyright on the creation , it has expired .
By a few thousand years .
There is certainly no derivative works clause you can pull out at this point.Even if you want to stake some claim on government effort in excavation , the only efforts you can claim ownership of would be individual performances/creations you have based on the original works - anyone else can just base their works on the original and avoid any derivative claims.Still , my guess is that this is n't really about making a serious claim - it 's about getting settlements - about casting nets and seeing what comes back .
The governmental version of SCO-style license trolling.Ryan Fenton</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What...That's crazy.
I can sort of understand wanting compensation for something your government created, to recompense taxpayer expense... but to ask recompense for an artistic STYLE your nation was built upon the dead remains of is WAY beyond my usual expectations of baseless money-grabbing.If there was a copyright on the creation, it has expired.
By a few thousand years.
There is certainly no derivative works clause you can pull out at this point.Even if you want to stake some claim on government effort in excavation, the only efforts you can claim ownership of would be individual performances/creations you have based on the original works - anyone else can just base their works on the original and avoid any derivative claims.Still, my guess is that this isn't really about making a serious claim - it's about getting settlements - about casting nets and seeing what comes back.
The governmental version of SCO-style license trolling.Ryan Fenton</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30694954</id>
	<title>Re:So they can give it to the tribes, right?</title>
	<author>furby076</author>
	<datestamp>1262968320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Starbucks supposedly gives more money to their mexican coffee growers then the other companies - using the fair coffee something or other.  I wonder how the gov't would feel if starbucks said "sure we will pay this fee, it will come out of the money we were going to use to pay your farmers the wages we pay them - which is higher then what the other guys pay....hope your people are happy with your decision"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Starbucks supposedly gives more money to their mexican coffee growers then the other companies - using the fair coffee something or other .
I wonder how the gov't would feel if starbucks said " sure we will pay this fee , it will come out of the money we were going to use to pay your farmers the wages we pay them - which is higher then what the other guys pay....hope your people are happy with your decision "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Starbucks supposedly gives more money to their mexican coffee growers then the other companies - using the fair coffee something or other.
I wonder how the gov't would feel if starbucks said "sure we will pay this fee, it will come out of the money we were going to use to pay your farmers the wages we pay them - which is higher then what the other guys pay....hope your people are happy with your decision"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30693142</id>
	<title>Re:Did the Aztec have a concept of copyright?</title>
	<author>huge</author>
	<datestamp>1262958660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Acording to the aztec, their Tlatoani Ahuizotl, persoally killed 84,400 prisioners in four days using a stone knife...</p> </div><p>That means he would have killed prisoner every 4 seconds for four days, non-stop. I go out on a limb and say that it's pretty safe to assume that the number is a bit on the high side.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Acording to the aztec , their Tlatoani Ahuizotl , persoally killed 84,400 prisioners in four days using a stone knife... That means he would have killed prisoner every 4 seconds for four days , non-stop .
I go out on a limb and say that it 's pretty safe to assume that the number is a bit on the high side .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Acording to the aztec, their Tlatoani Ahuizotl, persoally killed 84,400 prisioners in four days using a stone knife... That means he would have killed prisoner every 4 seconds for four days, non-stop.
I go out on a limb and say that it's pretty safe to assume that the number is a bit on the high side.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30692660</id>
	<title>Re:My response letter would look something like:</title>
	<author>meringuoid</author>
	<datestamp>1262953140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That'll just get you in trouble again, for violating Pressdram's copyright in their celebrated letter to Arkell.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 'll just get you in trouble again , for violating Pressdram 's copyright in their celebrated letter to Arkell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That'll just get you in trouble again, for violating Pressdram's copyright in their celebrated letter to Arkell.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691374</id>
	<title>Property of the nation.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262892960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>In M&#233;xico, the use of historical images (from buildings, archeolgical artifacts, sculpture or paintints) requires permision from the INAH (national institute of antropology and history)..
<p>
This is contemplated in the federal law about Monuments and Archeological, artistics, and historic sites. It is not exactly a question of copyright, but those images are considered "property of the nation".
</p><p>
Ussually the fees are not very high, but depends on the use of the images. Since this was part of a comercial product, the INAH has to autorize its use, and charge a fee, used for conservation of the monuments. The problem is that the design company that sold the images to starbuck should have request permision to the INAH first. There are no penalties involved.
</p><p>
The permisions can be requested here:
</p><p>
<a href="http://www.cofemer.gob.mx/BuscadorTramites/BuscadorGeneralHomoclave.asp?SIGLASDEPENDENCIA=INAH&amp;accion=Buscando" title="cofemer.gob.mx" rel="nofollow">http://www.cofemer.gob.mx/BuscadorTramites/BuscadorGeneralHomoclave.asp?SIGLASDEPENDENCIA=INAH&amp;accion=Buscando</a> [cofemer.gob.mx]
</p><p>
 If you took a photograph nad use it for personal or divulgation, there is no problem, but if you used them for a comercial purpose you need permision.
</p><p>
<a href="http://dti.inah.gob.mx/" title="inah.gob.mx" rel="nofollow">http://dti.inah.gob.mx/</a> [inah.gob.mx]
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In M   xico , the use of historical images ( from buildings , archeolgical artifacts , sculpture or paintints ) requires permision from the INAH ( national institute of antropology and history ) . . This is contemplated in the federal law about Monuments and Archeological , artistics , and historic sites .
It is not exactly a question of copyright , but those images are considered " property of the nation " .
Ussually the fees are not very high , but depends on the use of the images .
Since this was part of a comercial product , the INAH has to autorize its use , and charge a fee , used for conservation of the monuments .
The problem is that the design company that sold the images to starbuck should have request permision to the INAH first .
There are no penalties involved .
The permisions can be requested here : http : //www.cofemer.gob.mx/BuscadorTramites/BuscadorGeneralHomoclave.asp ? SIGLASDEPENDENCIA = INAH&amp;accion = Buscando [ cofemer.gob.mx ] If you took a photograph nad use it for personal or divulgation , there is no problem , but if you used them for a comercial purpose you need permision .
http : //dti.inah.gob.mx/ [ inah.gob.mx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In México, the use of historical images (from buildings, archeolgical artifacts, sculpture or paintints) requires permision from the INAH (national institute of antropology and history)..

This is contemplated in the federal law about Monuments and Archeological, artistics, and historic sites.
It is not exactly a question of copyright, but those images are considered "property of the nation".
Ussually the fees are not very high, but depends on the use of the images.
Since this was part of a comercial product, the INAH has to autorize its use, and charge a fee, used for conservation of the monuments.
The problem is that the design company that sold the images to starbuck should have request permision to the INAH first.
There are no penalties involved.
The permisions can be requested here:

http://www.cofemer.gob.mx/BuscadorTramites/BuscadorGeneralHomoclave.asp?SIGLASDEPENDENCIA=INAH&amp;accion=Buscando [cofemer.gob.mx]

 If you took a photograph nad use it for personal or divulgation, there is no problem, but if you used them for a comercial purpose you need permision.
http://dti.inah.gob.mx/ [inah.gob.mx]
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30694034</id>
	<title>Aztecs:  not as bad as the Nazis</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262964600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Nazis were worse than the Aztecs?  They's your defense?  That makes it such a <i>wonderful</i> culture, right?</p><p>You could also have pointed out that less people died under the Aztecs than the few hundred million that Communism killed in the last century or so, but that wouldn't have earned you any mod points from the knee-jerk reactionary leftist Slashdot sheep.</p><p>As for diseases, it's hard to find on the internet because it's not politically correct to say it, but genetic studies of syphilis show it originated in Guyana or thereabouts.  In South America.  The intellectual stuttering and stammering that discovery produced in academic circles is pretty hilarious.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Nazis were worse than the Aztecs ?
They 's your defense ?
That makes it such a wonderful culture , right ? You could also have pointed out that less people died under the Aztecs than the few hundred million that Communism killed in the last century or so , but that would n't have earned you any mod points from the knee-jerk reactionary leftist Slashdot sheep.As for diseases , it 's hard to find on the internet because it 's not politically correct to say it , but genetic studies of syphilis show it originated in Guyana or thereabouts .
In South America .
The intellectual stuttering and stammering that discovery produced in academic circles is pretty hilarious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Nazis were worse than the Aztecs?
They's your defense?
That makes it such a wonderful culture, right?You could also have pointed out that less people died under the Aztecs than the few hundred million that Communism killed in the last century or so, but that wouldn't have earned you any mod points from the knee-jerk reactionary leftist Slashdot sheep.As for diseases, it's hard to find on the internet because it's not politically correct to say it, but genetic studies of syphilis show it originated in Guyana or thereabouts.
In South America.
The intellectual stuttering and stammering that discovery produced in academic circles is pretty hilarious.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30705318</id>
	<title>Mexico wants compensation for use of Aztec images</title>
	<author>thesquire</author>
	<datestamp>1262980560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why is anyone seriously discussing this?  It's one of the looniest claims I have heard for a long time.  The insane and inane fascination with copyright has been driven by idiotic legislation and the demands of greedy corporations.  If someone or some country can claim copyright over Aztec images, how about pre-historic cave drawings?  Get a life everyone!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is anyone seriously discussing this ?
It 's one of the looniest claims I have heard for a long time .
The insane and inane fascination with copyright has been driven by idiotic legislation and the demands of greedy corporations .
If someone or some country can claim copyright over Aztec images , how about pre-historic cave drawings ?
Get a life everyone !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is anyone seriously discussing this?
It's one of the looniest claims I have heard for a long time.
The insane and inane fascination with copyright has been driven by idiotic legislation and the demands of greedy corporations.
If someone or some country can claim copyright over Aztec images, how about pre-historic cave drawings?
Get a life everyone!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691076</id>
	<title>Re:I've got a stronger claim</title>
	<author>WindBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1262888160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, my mother is MacGregor, so if you are Campbell, I would like to have a word with you.<br> <br>
It is looney, that anybody thinks that the murders of a ppl should profit from them. I wonder if the Aztec gods can strike dead those that came up with that idea.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , my mother is MacGregor , so if you are Campbell , I would like to have a word with you .
It is looney , that anybody thinks that the murders of a ppl should profit from them .
I wonder if the Aztec gods can strike dead those that came up with that idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, my mother is MacGregor, so if you are Campbell, I would like to have a word with you.
It is looney, that anybody thinks that the murders of a ppl should profit from them.
I wonder if the Aztec gods can strike dead those that came up with that idea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30694802</id>
	<title>LOL</title>
	<author>furby076</author>
	<datestamp>1262967780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does Mexico own the symbols? Considering they were created before there was a state of Mexico I doubt it.  Considering the symbols are a language - and I don't think an established (even if it's dead) can be copyrighted.  Please I don't copyrights expire after like 80 years?  Wow, I know Mexico is desperate for cash - but really, what do they think they will get? 10 million? What's 10 million going to do for a freakign COUNTRY.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does Mexico own the symbols ?
Considering they were created before there was a state of Mexico I doubt it .
Considering the symbols are a language - and I do n't think an established ( even if it 's dead ) can be copyrighted .
Please I do n't copyrights expire after like 80 years ?
Wow , I know Mexico is desperate for cash - but really , what do they think they will get ?
10 million ?
What 's 10 million going to do for a freakign COUNTRY .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does Mexico own the symbols?
Considering they were created before there was a state of Mexico I doubt it.
Considering the symbols are a language - and I don't think an established (even if it's dead) can be copyrighted.
Please I don't copyrights expire after like 80 years?
Wow, I know Mexico is desperate for cash - but really, what do they think they will get?
10 million?
What's 10 million going to do for a freakign COUNTRY.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690762</id>
	<title>Just give a senator some trips to Cabo San Lucas</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262883960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And we will have the Sunny Aztec copyrith extension act. Now, copyright will last at least from 1923 until next decade. That is from when Disney and other media houses started recording movies and music. Today that means 100 years. In a billion years, copyight will have been extended to 1 billion and 100 years. If the mexicans want in on the game, they will have to pay some lawmaker.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And we will have the Sunny Aztec copyrith extension act .
Now , copyright will last at least from 1923 until next decade .
That is from when Disney and other media houses started recording movies and music .
Today that means 100 years .
In a billion years , copyight will have been extended to 1 billion and 100 years .
If the mexicans want in on the game , they will have to pay some lawmaker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And we will have the Sunny Aztec copyrith extension act.
Now, copyright will last at least from 1923 until next decade.
That is from when Disney and other media houses started recording movies and music.
Today that means 100 years.
In a billion years, copyight will have been extended to 1 billion and 100 years.
If the mexicans want in on the game, they will have to pay some lawmaker.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30708284</id>
	<title>Re:So they can give it to the tribes, right?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263062820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>there actually are no real descendants of aztecs. today there are several other tribes which may have small links to them but they are not like mayans who still exist today.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>there actually are no real descendants of aztecs .
today there are several other tribes which may have small links to them but they are not like mayans who still exist today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there actually are no real descendants of aztecs.
today there are several other tribes which may have small links to them but they are not like mayans who still exist today.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30696068</id>
	<title>Rubbish!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262972160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What kind of sense does that make?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What kind of sense does that make ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What kind of sense does that make?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30697812</id>
	<title>Expiration date</title>
	<author>byteherder</author>
	<datestamp>1262979240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sorry Mexico, your copyright expired in 1492.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sorry Mexico , your copyright expired in 1492 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sorry Mexico, your copyright expired in 1492.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690786</id>
	<title>Mickey!</title>
	<author>lorg</author>
	<datestamp>1262884140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... I'm not some fancy big shot lawyer. But<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>Why not? The copyright system seems borked beyond belief. If Disney can keep it on Mickey (*1928) and [insert studio name here] on [old movie/record/whatever here] or [dead person] retaining theirs via some company or whatever. So that stuff clearly gets extended beyond time.</p><p>That said, a country retaining C on a "long dead" culture from 500-700 years ago that just happened to live in the area? That seems to be stretching it. But if it is the case then whom do I talk to about getting some cash from the Minnesota Vikings?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... I 'm not some fancy big shot lawyer .
But ...Why not ?
The copyright system seems borked beyond belief .
If Disney can keep it on Mickey ( * 1928 ) and [ insert studio name here ] on [ old movie/record/whatever here ] or [ dead person ] retaining theirs via some company or whatever .
So that stuff clearly gets extended beyond time.That said , a country retaining C on a " long dead " culture from 500-700 years ago that just happened to live in the area ?
That seems to be stretching it .
But if it is the case then whom do I talk to about getting some cash from the Minnesota Vikings ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... I'm not some fancy big shot lawyer.
But ...Why not?
The copyright system seems borked beyond belief.
If Disney can keep it on Mickey (*1928) and [insert studio name here] on [old movie/record/whatever here] or [dead person] retaining theirs via some company or whatever.
So that stuff clearly gets extended beyond time.That said, a country retaining C on a "long dead" culture from 500-700 years ago that just happened to live in the area?
That seems to be stretching it.
But if it is the case then whom do I talk to about getting some cash from the Minnesota Vikings?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30691246</id>
	<title>Re:Starbucks is in trouble</title>
	<author>supernova\_hq</author>
	<datestamp>1262891220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Prove It.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Prove It .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Prove It.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30693976</id>
	<title>Re:What.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262964300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I heard that the copyright on those images expires in 2012.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I heard that the copyright on those images expires in 2012 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I heard that the copyright on those images expires in 2012.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30692290</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>Zemran</author>
	<datestamp>1262947860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>That's like the British government suing anyone who does things based on William Shakespeare because he was English.<br></i></p><p>Please stop giving them ideas, they are bad enough already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's like the British government suing anyone who does things based on William Shakespeare because he was English.Please stop giving them ideas , they are bad enough already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's like the British government suing anyone who does things based on William Shakespeare because he was English.Please stop giving them ideas, they are bad enough already.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30723784</id>
	<title>illegal aliens</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263228540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>F Mexico!  They owe us at least a tillion dollars for taking care of tens of millions of their unskilled, uneducated peasants.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>F Mexico !
They owe us at least a tillion dollars for taking care of tens of millions of their unskilled , uneducated peasants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>F Mexico!
They owe us at least a tillion dollars for taking care of tens of millions of their unskilled, uneducated peasants.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30693358</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>Kopachris</author>
	<datestamp>1262960400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think we should laugh in Mexico's face and say, "forget about it."  Archaeological images are always and have always been easily available to the public.</p><p>You could also argue that those pictures are Aztec writing, so the stuff on the cups are an original written work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think we should laugh in Mexico 's face and say , " forget about it .
" Archaeological images are always and have always been easily available to the public.You could also argue that those pictures are Aztec writing , so the stuff on the cups are an original written work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think we should laugh in Mexico's face and say, "forget about it.
"  Archaeological images are always and have always been easily available to the public.You could also argue that those pictures are Aztec writing, so the stuff on the cups are an original written work.</sentencetext>
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-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30694628
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30696068
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-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_08_0256243.30690844
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