<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_05_1418240</id>
	<title>IT Workers To Get Fewer Perks, No Free Coffee</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1262702100000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>dasButcher writes <i>"While the economy is showing signs of recovery and tech stocks posted double- and triple-digit gains in 2009, IT workers are facing a <a href="http://www.channelinsider.com/c/a/Careers/2010-Employer-Outlook-10-Top-Trends-167728/">less hospitable workplace in the coming year</a>. Many employers say they're going to continue trimming budgets, particularly in human resources. Rather than giving up head count, they're planning to trim 401k contributions, eliminate bonuses, curtail travel and, dare we say, shut off the free coffee (it wasn't that good anyway)."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>dasButcher writes " While the economy is showing signs of recovery and tech stocks posted double- and triple-digit gains in 2009 , IT workers are facing a less hospitable workplace in the coming year .
Many employers say they 're going to continue trimming budgets , particularly in human resources .
Rather than giving up head count , they 're planning to trim 401k contributions , eliminate bonuses , curtail travel and , dare we say , shut off the free coffee ( it was n't that good anyway ) .
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<sentencetext>dasButcher writes "While the economy is showing signs of recovery and tech stocks posted double- and triple-digit gains in 2009, IT workers are facing a less hospitable workplace in the coming year.
Many employers say they're going to continue trimming budgets, particularly in human resources.
Rather than giving up head count, they're planning to trim 401k contributions, eliminate bonuses, curtail travel and, dare we say, shut off the free coffee (it wasn't that good anyway).
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655078</id>
	<title>Re:the school district model</title>
	<author>SnapShot</author>
	<datestamp>1262708220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IMHO, getting rid of free coffee is a huge mistake.  In the scheme of things it's a tiny expense and you're going to lose far more in terms of people bickering about the coffee fund, people running out "on break" to buy coffee, and the basic office environment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IMHO , getting rid of free coffee is a huge mistake .
In the scheme of things it 's a tiny expense and you 're going to lose far more in terms of people bickering about the coffee fund , people running out " on break " to buy coffee , and the basic office environment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IMHO, getting rid of free coffee is a huge mistake.
In the scheme of things it's a tiny expense and you're going to lose far more in terms of people bickering about the coffee fund, people running out "on break" to buy coffee, and the basic office environment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30656044</id>
	<title>Keep your coffee....</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1262712060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>....I'd be happy with COLA. I have not have one since September 2008, and won't be getting one in 2010 either.</htmltext>
<tokenext>....I 'd be happy with COLA .
I have not have one since September 2008 , and wo n't be getting one in 2010 either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>....I'd be happy with COLA.
I have not have one since September 2008, and won't be getting one in 2010 either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30656414</id>
	<title>Re:When did coffee become so expensive?</title>
	<author>Sandbags</author>
	<datestamp>1262713320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Coffee is a cost like any other.  To support employees, certain costs are expected.  A computer to sit at, an ergonomic chair, pens and paper, ink, janitorial services, bathroom supplies, phone and DID number, and more.</p><p>A complete coffee service costs less than $1 per employee (that drinks it) per day if bought in industrial bulk.  there are dozens of other costs that far exceed that.   many companies simply use an honor system and place a can with a slot near the coffee pot and ask folks to spare $0.25 for each cup, and many not only break even on that, but actually profit, and use the money for company and area parties.</p><p>As we roll out IT improvements, costs there are shrinking, making us more competitive.  As we roll out the IP phone system, we're shifting a whole building of employees into at-home workers (we already have about 3,000 of them), which is not only a huge facility cost savings, but there's tax incentives to do it too.  Desktop imaging pretty much has put the quash on most helpdesk calls.  going paperless for most things is also reducing costs greatly.  Salaries have been flat for 2 years in a row.  We're more profitable than EVER in the company history.  Curring coffee would be seen as nothing more than an profiteering decision and a slap in the face to HR and productivity, and we'd actually loose some good employees over it I'm sure (Hots mainframe operators LIVE on coffee and coffee alone it seems, and those guys are REALLY hard to come by and claim way in excess of $100,000 salaries).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Coffee is a cost like any other .
To support employees , certain costs are expected .
A computer to sit at , an ergonomic chair , pens and paper , ink , janitorial services , bathroom supplies , phone and DID number , and more.A complete coffee service costs less than $ 1 per employee ( that drinks it ) per day if bought in industrial bulk .
there are dozens of other costs that far exceed that .
many companies simply use an honor system and place a can with a slot near the coffee pot and ask folks to spare $ 0.25 for each cup , and many not only break even on that , but actually profit , and use the money for company and area parties.As we roll out IT improvements , costs there are shrinking , making us more competitive .
As we roll out the IP phone system , we 're shifting a whole building of employees into at-home workers ( we already have about 3,000 of them ) , which is not only a huge facility cost savings , but there 's tax incentives to do it too .
Desktop imaging pretty much has put the quash on most helpdesk calls .
going paperless for most things is also reducing costs greatly .
Salaries have been flat for 2 years in a row .
We 're more profitable than EVER in the company history .
Curring coffee would be seen as nothing more than an profiteering decision and a slap in the face to HR and productivity , and we 'd actually loose some good employees over it I 'm sure ( Hots mainframe operators LIVE on coffee and coffee alone it seems , and those guys are REALLY hard to come by and claim way in excess of $ 100,000 salaries ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Coffee is a cost like any other.
To support employees, certain costs are expected.
A computer to sit at, an ergonomic chair, pens and paper, ink, janitorial services, bathroom supplies, phone and DID number, and more.A complete coffee service costs less than $1 per employee (that drinks it) per day if bought in industrial bulk.
there are dozens of other costs that far exceed that.
many companies simply use an honor system and place a can with a slot near the coffee pot and ask folks to spare $0.25 for each cup, and many not only break even on that, but actually profit, and use the money for company and area parties.As we roll out IT improvements, costs there are shrinking, making us more competitive.
As we roll out the IP phone system, we're shifting a whole building of employees into at-home workers (we already have about 3,000 of them), which is not only a huge facility cost savings, but there's tax incentives to do it too.
Desktop imaging pretty much has put the quash on most helpdesk calls.
going paperless for most things is also reducing costs greatly.
Salaries have been flat for 2 years in a row.
We're more profitable than EVER in the company history.
Curring coffee would be seen as nothing more than an profiteering decision and a slap in the face to HR and productivity, and we'd actually loose some good employees over it I'm sure (Hots mainframe operators LIVE on coffee and coffee alone it seems, and those guys are REALLY hard to come by and claim way in excess of $100,000 salaries).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655028</id>
	<title>Coffee</title>
	<author>jschmitz</author>
	<datestamp>1262707980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>We have Starbucks coffee (the ground kind) at my work Verona and Breakfast blend - although our capex and opex expenses were like 40mm last year so I don't think they are too worried about coffee</htmltext>
<tokenext>We have Starbucks coffee ( the ground kind ) at my work Verona and Breakfast blend - although our capex and opex expenses were like 40mm last year so I do n't think they are too worried about coffee</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have Starbucks coffee (the ground kind) at my work Verona and Breakfast blend - although our capex and opex expenses were like 40mm last year so I don't think they are too worried about coffee</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30656236</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>TheNinjaroach</author>
	<datestamp>1262712720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The companies responsibility is to its stakeholders to provide maximum profit.</p></div><p>Which is why my favorite employers have always been privately owned.  They are more concerned about keeping things smooth for the long run, rather than panicking at the thought of a poor quarterly report.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The companies responsibility is to its stakeholders to provide maximum profit.Which is why my favorite employers have always been privately owned .
They are more concerned about keeping things smooth for the long run , rather than panicking at the thought of a poor quarterly report .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The companies responsibility is to its stakeholders to provide maximum profit.Which is why my favorite employers have always been privately owned.
They are more concerned about keeping things smooth for the long run, rather than panicking at the thought of a poor quarterly report.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30658290</id>
	<title>Re:the school district model</title>
	<author>s73v3r</author>
	<datestamp>1262719680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course you wouldn't complain, you never had it in the first place. Once you've worked for a place that supplies it, you start to get used to it, and when they take it away, it really sucks.

</p><p>I know its much better to still have a job and no perks like this than to keep the perks and have people laid off. Still, getting rid of this stuff is going to decrease morale, and usually they don't come back, even when times are good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course you would n't complain , you never had it in the first place .
Once you 've worked for a place that supplies it , you start to get used to it , and when they take it away , it really sucks .
I know its much better to still have a job and no perks like this than to keep the perks and have people laid off .
Still , getting rid of this stuff is going to decrease morale , and usually they do n't come back , even when times are good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course you wouldn't complain, you never had it in the first place.
Once you've worked for a place that supplies it, you start to get used to it, and when they take it away, it really sucks.
I know its much better to still have a job and no perks like this than to keep the perks and have people laid off.
Still, getting rid of this stuff is going to decrease morale, and usually they don't come back, even when times are good.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654830</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655758</id>
	<title>Re:the school district model</title>
	<author>Spykk</author>
	<datestamp>1262710920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have always thought of programming as the art of converting caffeine into an executable. Coffee is part of the cost of doing business.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have always thought of programming as the art of converting caffeine into an executable .
Coffee is part of the cost of doing business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have always thought of programming as the art of converting caffeine into an executable.
Coffee is part of the cost of doing business.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654872</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262707260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Please.<br><br>You are at work to work, you are not at work to read slashdot and gmail.<br><br>You have this awful sense of entitlement. Free coffee? Have to justify travel expenses? C'mon the company does not exist to serve you, you exist to work for them and provide value at a minimum of expense.<br><br>The companies responsibility is to its stakeholders to provide maximum profit. Employees are the largest expense a company has, so in lean times like these, they have to cut spending of all expenses to survive.<br><br>So suck it up and be happy you have a job, and not be part of the 10 percent who wish they had one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please.You are at work to work , you are not at work to read slashdot and gmail.You have this awful sense of entitlement .
Free coffee ?
Have to justify travel expenses ?
C'mon the company does not exist to serve you , you exist to work for them and provide value at a minimum of expense.The companies responsibility is to its stakeholders to provide maximum profit .
Employees are the largest expense a company has , so in lean times like these , they have to cut spending of all expenses to survive.So suck it up and be happy you have a job , and not be part of the 10 percent who wish they had one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please.You are at work to work, you are not at work to read slashdot and gmail.You have this awful sense of entitlement.
Free coffee?
Have to justify travel expenses?
C'mon the company does not exist to serve you, you exist to work for them and provide value at a minimum of expense.The companies responsibility is to its stakeholders to provide maximum profit.
Employees are the largest expense a company has, so in lean times like these, they have to cut spending of all expenses to survive.So suck it up and be happy you have a job, and not be part of the 10 percent who wish they had one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30660944</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1262687280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please show me a scientific study that can actually PROVE beyond a doubt that buying coffee for employees results in more output or better output or some sort of increased profitability in any way.</p><p>Sadly, this isn't the first time employees have 'lost perks' and it won't be the last and no one will go out of business because they took away the coffee, hell they'll probably be better off since it cuts down on the ridiculous amount of water cooler/coffee machine chitchat about nothing related to your actual job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please show me a scientific study that can actually PROVE beyond a doubt that buying coffee for employees results in more output or better output or some sort of increased profitability in any way.Sadly , this is n't the first time employees have 'lost perks ' and it wo n't be the last and no one will go out of business because they took away the coffee , hell they 'll probably be better off since it cuts down on the ridiculous amount of water cooler/coffee machine chitchat about nothing related to your actual job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please show me a scientific study that can actually PROVE beyond a doubt that buying coffee for employees results in more output or better output or some sort of increased profitability in any way.Sadly, this isn't the first time employees have 'lost perks' and it won't be the last and no one will go out of business because they took away the coffee, hell they'll probably be better off since it cuts down on the ridiculous amount of water cooler/coffee machine chitchat about nothing related to your actual job.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654656</id>
	<title>Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>Gothmolly</author>
	<datestamp>1262706360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The more you screw your employees, the more they will find ways to screw you.  Turn off Gmail and Slashdot?  Fine, I'll take a once-an-hour smoke break.   Hack my 401k?  I'll sit and stare at the ceiling.  Bust by balls about travel costs?  See if I don't have a "family thing" next time and can't go.   People will take what they feel (rightly or wrongly) is their due, whether you give it to them or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The more you screw your employees , the more they will find ways to screw you .
Turn off Gmail and Slashdot ?
Fine , I 'll take a once-an-hour smoke break .
Hack my 401k ?
I 'll sit and stare at the ceiling .
Bust by balls about travel costs ?
See if I do n't have a " family thing " next time and ca n't go .
People will take what they feel ( rightly or wrongly ) is their due , whether you give it to them or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The more you screw your employees, the more they will find ways to screw you.
Turn off Gmail and Slashdot?
Fine, I'll take a once-an-hour smoke break.
Hack my 401k?
I'll sit and stare at the ceiling.
Bust by balls about travel costs?
See if I don't have a "family thing" next time and can't go.
People will take what they feel (rightly or wrongly) is their due, whether you give it to them or not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655650</id>
	<title>Did no one read Peopleware?</title>
	<author>brney</author>
	<datestamp>1262710560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because we've been down this road before.

Cutting employee benefits and perks earns you lower productivity, poor morale, a high turnover rate (which will cost a business more than free coffee ever will), the loss of talented workers, and at worst the retention of desperate incompetents who can't find a job anywhere else.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because we 've been down this road before .
Cutting employee benefits and perks earns you lower productivity , poor morale , a high turnover rate ( which will cost a business more than free coffee ever will ) , the loss of talented workers , and at worst the retention of desperate incompetents who ca n't find a job anywhere else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because we've been down this road before.
Cutting employee benefits and perks earns you lower productivity, poor morale, a high turnover rate (which will cost a business more than free coffee ever will), the loss of talented workers, and at worst the retention of desperate incompetents who can't find a job anywhere else.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30658234</id>
	<title>Re:Wait, I could have had perks?</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1262719500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know where you work, but in general IT isn't hurting that much. Several companies in this area learned that the hard way when toy cut perks and there staff got new jobs in about a week.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know where you work , but in general IT is n't hurting that much .
Several companies in this area learned that the hard way when toy cut perks and there staff got new jobs in about a week .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know where you work, but in general IT isn't hurting that much.
Several companies in this area learned that the hard way when toy cut perks and there staff got new jobs in about a week.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655482</id>
	<title>Re:I wish they would</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262709960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You must work here at IBM too</htmltext>
<tokenext>You must work here at IBM too</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You must work here at IBM too</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30657838</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262717940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Hate to break it to you, but employees are one of the stakeholders at a company.  Contrary to popular belief, a company's sole responsibility is NOT to its shareholders; a company needs to properly balance its responsibilities to it shareholders, employees, and customers.</p><p>Employees are not ONLY an expense; very often, they are also the reason that a company has a profit to worry about in the first place.  If a company spends<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.1\% of its revenue on employee perks like coffee and it earns them 1\% in productivity, that sounds like a fantastic return.</p><p>Focusing on expenses only is back ass-wards, shortsighted, and often counterproductive.</p></div><p>My, what a delighfully archaic conceit.</p><p>Don't you remember "Our Employees are our Greatest Asset?". We just like to periodically liquidate assets. Besides, we all know employees have no loyalty these days. Ever since we told them "We don't owe you a job" and made them perma-temps, then outsourced the temp work to India and China.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hate to break it to you , but employees are one of the stakeholders at a company .
Contrary to popular belief , a company 's sole responsibility is NOT to its shareholders ; a company needs to properly balance its responsibilities to it shareholders , employees , and customers.Employees are not ONLY an expense ; very often , they are also the reason that a company has a profit to worry about in the first place .
If a company spends .1 \ % of its revenue on employee perks like coffee and it earns them 1 \ % in productivity , that sounds like a fantastic return.Focusing on expenses only is back ass-wards , shortsighted , and often counterproductive.My , what a delighfully archaic conceit.Do n't you remember " Our Employees are our Greatest Asset ? " .
We just like to periodically liquidate assets .
Besides , we all know employees have no loyalty these days .
Ever since we told them " We do n't owe you a job " and made them perma-temps , then outsourced the temp work to India and China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hate to break it to you, but employees are one of the stakeholders at a company.
Contrary to popular belief, a company's sole responsibility is NOT to its shareholders; a company needs to properly balance its responsibilities to it shareholders, employees, and customers.Employees are not ONLY an expense; very often, they are also the reason that a company has a profit to worry about in the first place.
If a company spends .1\% of its revenue on employee perks like coffee and it earns them 1\% in productivity, that sounds like a fantastic return.Focusing on expenses only is back ass-wards, shortsighted, and often counterproductive.My, what a delighfully archaic conceit.Don't you remember "Our Employees are our Greatest Asset?".
We just like to periodically liquidate assets.
Besides, we all know employees have no loyalty these days.
Ever since we told them "We don't owe you a job" and made them perma-temps, then outsourced the temp work to India and China.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30657658</id>
	<title>Re:the school district model</title>
	<author>haruharaharu</author>
	<datestamp>1262717400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>IMHO, getting rid of coffee or cutting back on paper cups (really) smacks of desperation or insane cheapness. Really good reason for the skilled people to run away.</htmltext>
<tokenext>IMHO , getting rid of coffee or cutting back on paper cups ( really ) smacks of desperation or insane cheapness .
Really good reason for the skilled people to run away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IMHO, getting rid of coffee or cutting back on paper cups (really) smacks of desperation or insane cheapness.
Really good reason for the skilled people to run away.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30664910</id>
	<title>Goodbye company provided coffee service.</title>
	<author>Pinback</author>
	<datestamp>1262707860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They cut our coffee service at the end of the year, and the coffee makers have been hauled away.</p><p>I had a promo vacuum bottle that I got at a sales meeting, and now I'll be carrying home coffee to the office.</p><p>I want them to cut as many things as they can. It will make it easier to feel good about leaving when something better comes along.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They cut our coffee service at the end of the year , and the coffee makers have been hauled away.I had a promo vacuum bottle that I got at a sales meeting , and now I 'll be carrying home coffee to the office.I want them to cut as many things as they can .
It will make it easier to feel good about leaving when something better comes along .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They cut our coffee service at the end of the year, and the coffee makers have been hauled away.I had a promo vacuum bottle that I got at a sales meeting, and now I'll be carrying home coffee to the office.I want them to cut as many things as they can.
It will make it easier to feel good about leaving when something better comes along.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654608</id>
	<title>No Coffee = No Code</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262706120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know many programmers whose fingers can't move unless well lubricated with caffene<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know many programmers whose fingers ca n't move unless well lubricated with caffene : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know many programmers whose fingers can't move unless well lubricated with caffene :-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30659302</id>
	<title>Re:the school district model</title>
	<author>Eli Gottlieb</author>
	<datestamp>1262724060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or you could just buy some ground coffee, a hot plate, and an ibrik and brew your own freaking coffee.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or you could just buy some ground coffee , a hot plate , and an ibrik and brew your own freaking coffee .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or you could just buy some ground coffee, a hot plate, and an ibrik and brew your own freaking coffee.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655078</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30657566</id>
	<title>Coffee? COFFEE!!!</title>
	<author>Bob A Trollmuncher</author>
	<datestamp>1262717100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They can have my coffee when they take if from my cold dead trembling hands !

Seriously, in my workplace if they stopped supplying coffee there would be an immediate staff reduction due to the inevitable murderous rampage.

I'd suspect it as a self enforcing workforce reduction plan, but I seriously doubt the bean counters are smart enough for a plan that cunning</htmltext>
<tokenext>They can have my coffee when they take if from my cold dead trembling hands !
Seriously , in my workplace if they stopped supplying coffee there would be an immediate staff reduction due to the inevitable murderous rampage .
I 'd suspect it as a self enforcing workforce reduction plan , but I seriously doubt the bean counters are smart enough for a plan that cunning</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They can have my coffee when they take if from my cold dead trembling hands !
Seriously, in my workplace if they stopped supplying coffee there would be an immediate staff reduction due to the inevitable murderous rampage.
I'd suspect it as a self enforcing workforce reduction plan, but I seriously doubt the bean counters are smart enough for a plan that cunning</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654972</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262707740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You have this awful sense of entitlement. Free coffee? Have to justify travel expenses? C'mon the company does not exist to serve you, you exist to work for them and provide value at a minimum of expense.</p></div><p>No, we really don't exist to work for companies and provide them with maximum value at minimum expense.  Thinking we do... now that's an awful sense of entitlement.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You have this awful sense of entitlement .
Free coffee ?
Have to justify travel expenses ?
C'mon the company does not exist to serve you , you exist to work for them and provide value at a minimum of expense.No , we really do n't exist to work for companies and provide them with maximum value at minimum expense .
Thinking we do... now that 's an awful sense of entitlement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have this awful sense of entitlement.
Free coffee?
Have to justify travel expenses?
C'mon the company does not exist to serve you, you exist to work for them and provide value at a minimum of expense.No, we really don't exist to work for companies and provide them with maximum value at minimum expense.
Thinking we do... now that's an awful sense of entitlement.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655362</id>
	<title>Coffee?  Give me my damn heat back.</title>
	<author>nitefallz</author>
	<datestamp>1262709480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We lost free coffee a very long time ago, along with 401k contributions, bonuses, etc.   On the cutting block this year besides staff and salary? HEAT.  Originally each department was able to manage their own temperature within a 4-5 degree range.   That's been taken away and the entire temperature for the company has dropped to the point where virtually everyone is wearing a jacket or thick sweaters in each of the departments.  There's a good number of people across the hall wearing fingerless gloves.   It's one thing to not be able to work efficiently by not having that caffeine kick, but shivering and not feeling your fingers is a real productivity stopper, let a lone the looming paycut.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We lost free coffee a very long time ago , along with 401k contributions , bonuses , etc .
On the cutting block this year besides staff and salary ?
HEAT. Originally each department was able to manage their own temperature within a 4-5 degree range .
That 's been taken away and the entire temperature for the company has dropped to the point where virtually everyone is wearing a jacket or thick sweaters in each of the departments .
There 's a good number of people across the hall wearing fingerless gloves .
It 's one thing to not be able to work efficiently by not having that caffeine kick , but shivering and not feeling your fingers is a real productivity stopper , let a lone the looming paycut .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We lost free coffee a very long time ago, along with 401k contributions, bonuses, etc.
On the cutting block this year besides staff and salary?
HEAT.  Originally each department was able to manage their own temperature within a 4-5 degree range.
That's been taken away and the entire temperature for the company has dropped to the point where virtually everyone is wearing a jacket or thick sweaters in each of the departments.
There's a good number of people across the hall wearing fingerless gloves.
It's one thing to not be able to work efficiently by not having that caffeine kick, but shivering and not feeling your fingers is a real productivity stopper, let a lone the looming paycut.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655548</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>TheGratefulNet</author>
	<datestamp>1262710200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>C'mon the company does not exist to serve you, you exist to work for them and provide value at a minimum of expense.<br></i></p><p>THIS is what's wrong with western thought and a 'live for the money' way of life.</p><p>you will find out (sooner or later) that you lived your life ALL WRONG.  you have things exactly backwards.</p><p>things exist in this world to make life better for PEOPLE.  you know, human beings, NOT corps.</p><p>think about it.  don't just parrot back what you heard in your marketing class.  this is about people.  fail to remember that and you've lost touch with what life is all about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>C'mon the company does not exist to serve you , you exist to work for them and provide value at a minimum of expense.THIS is what 's wrong with western thought and a 'live for the money ' way of life.you will find out ( sooner or later ) that you lived your life ALL WRONG .
you have things exactly backwards.things exist in this world to make life better for PEOPLE .
you know , human beings , NOT corps.think about it .
do n't just parrot back what you heard in your marketing class .
this is about people .
fail to remember that and you 've lost touch with what life is all about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>C'mon the company does not exist to serve you, you exist to work for them and provide value at a minimum of expense.THIS is what's wrong with western thought and a 'live for the money' way of life.you will find out (sooner or later) that you lived your life ALL WRONG.
you have things exactly backwards.things exist in this world to make life better for PEOPLE.
you know, human beings, NOT corps.think about it.
don't just parrot back what you heard in your marketing class.
this is about people.
fail to remember that and you've lost touch with what life is all about.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654872</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30657720</id>
	<title>Re:the school district model</title>
	<author>shaka999</author>
	<datestamp>1262717580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Until I get free soda I say screw the coffee drinkers!!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Until I get free soda I say screw the coffee drinkers ! ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until I get free soda I say screw the coffee drinkers!!!!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655078</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655192</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262708760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You must be a manager that micromanages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You must be a manager that micromanages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You must be a manager that micromanages.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654872</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30656614</id>
	<title>Re:No worries about the coffee:</title>
	<author>KraftDinner</author>
	<datestamp>1262714100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Something a little like this: <a href="http://gizmodo.com/299435/camouflaged-fridge-chills-hides-beer-at-the-office" title="gizmodo.com">http://gizmodo.com/299435/camouflaged-fridge-chills-hides-beer-at-the-office</a> [gizmodo.com] ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Something a little like this : http : //gizmodo.com/299435/camouflaged-fridge-chills-hides-beer-at-the-office [ gizmodo.com ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something a little like this: http://gizmodo.com/299435/camouflaged-fridge-chills-hides-beer-at-the-office [gizmodo.com] ?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655050</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655284</id>
	<title>Coffee?</title>
	<author>thatskinnyguy</author>
	<datestamp>1262709120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The only free coffee I get is what I steal from my co-workers thermos.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only free coffee I get is what I steal from my co-workers thermos .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only free coffee I get is what I steal from my co-workers thermos.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655716</id>
	<title>Getting... Laid... off...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262710800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>My kids think the day I came home with office furniture, boxes of office supplies, company teeshirts, and random promotional paraphenalia as one of the best days of Daddy's working life. It was like Christmas to the kids for each of them to get a lucite paperweight with our latest chip in it. Of course, unbeknownst to them, it was the day the company folded, and I was laid off. Still kinda cracks me up... it's all about how you look at things, as to whether they're they end of the world, or just a new world of adventure.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>My kids think the day I came home with office furniture , boxes of office supplies , company teeshirts , and random promotional paraphenalia as one of the best days of Daddy 's working life .
It was like Christmas to the kids for each of them to get a lucite paperweight with our latest chip in it .
Of course , unbeknownst to them , it was the day the company folded , and I was laid off .
Still kinda cracks me up... it 's all about how you look at things , as to whether they 're they end of the world , or just a new world of adventure .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My kids think the day I came home with office furniture, boxes of office supplies, company teeshirts, and random promotional paraphenalia as one of the best days of Daddy's working life.
It was like Christmas to the kids for each of them to get a lucite paperweight with our latest chip in it.
Of course, unbeknownst to them, it was the day the company folded, and I was laid off.
Still kinda cracks me up... it's all about how you look at things, as to whether they're they end of the world, or just a new world of adventure.
:)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30660894</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262686980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a job to work, but I also have a life to live. If my employer is going to fuck my life over by sending me away from my home city, they can fucking well pay for my travel expenses to keep me in a manner to which I am accustomed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a job to work , but I also have a life to live .
If my employer is going to fuck my life over by sending me away from my home city , they can fucking well pay for my travel expenses to keep me in a manner to which I am accustomed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a job to work, but I also have a life to live.
If my employer is going to fuck my life over by sending me away from my home city, they can fucking well pay for my travel expenses to keep me in a manner to which I am accustomed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654872</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655530</id>
	<title>Re:Get a union.</title>
	<author>M8e</author>
	<datestamp>1262710080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More than ionized workers?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More than ionized workers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More than ionized workers?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654964</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655158</id>
	<title>A simple cost vs benefit analysis</title>
	<author>jockeys</author>
	<datestamp>1262708580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>industrial coffee maker (can make enough coffee, continuously, for at least 20 people) - $242.07<br>
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/VPR-Commercial-12-Cup-Pour-Over-Warmers/dp/B000BN7W84/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=home-garden&amp;qid=1262704523&amp;sr=8-1" title="amazon.com">http://www.amazon.com/VPR-Commercial-12-Cup-Pour-Over-Warmers/dp/B000BN7W84/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=home-garden&amp;qid=1262704523&amp;sr=8-1</a> [amazon.com]
<br> <br>
cheap coffee (weeks supply for 20 people) - $14.50<br>
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Folgers-Ground-Regular-PAG20015-Category/dp/B00006IDJO/ref=sr\_1\_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=home-garden&amp;qid=1262704605&amp;sr=1-2" title="amazon.com">http://www.amazon.com/Folgers-Ground-Regular-PAG20015-Category/dp/B00006IDJO/ref=sr\_1\_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=home-garden&amp;qid=1262704605&amp;sr=1-2</a> [amazon.com]
<br> <br>
coffee filters (months supply for 20 people) - $5.23<br>
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/BUNN-BCF250-Commercial-Coffee-Filters/dp/B0006VNO7Y/ref=sr\_1\_12?ie=UTF8&amp;s=home-garden&amp;qid=1262704669&amp;sr=1-12" title="amazon.com">http://www.amazon.com/BUNN-BCF250-Commercial-Coffee-Filters/dp/B0006VNO7Y/ref=sr\_1\_12?ie=UTF8&amp;s=home-garden&amp;qid=1262704669&amp;sr=1-12</a> [amazon.com]
<br> <br>
so for about 250 initially and a monthly recurring cost of about 50 bucks.  hmmm, 20 sleepy employees who are sluggish and inattentive for several hours a day (lets say 2 hours, or 1/4 of their shift).  now, per employee that's a monthly cost of $2.50 to not diminish that 1/4 of their shift.

<br> <br>how little would you have to be paying your employees to not think that's a good idea?  pennies a day???
<br> <br>furthermore, this isn't much of a cost cutting measure.  even if I have 10,000 people working for me, I'm only paying $2500 a month to give them coffee (excluding the cost of the machines, which last a decade) or $30,000 per year, which is nothing for a 10,000 employee company.</htmltext>
<tokenext>industrial coffee maker ( can make enough coffee , continuously , for at least 20 people ) - $ 242.07 http : //www.amazon.com/VPR-Commercial-12-Cup-Pour-Over-Warmers/dp/B000BN7W84/ref = sr \ _1 \ _1 ? ie = UTF8&amp;s = home-garden&amp;qid = 1262704523&amp;sr = 8-1 [ amazon.com ] cheap coffee ( weeks supply for 20 people ) - $ 14.50 http : //www.amazon.com/Folgers-Ground-Regular-PAG20015-Category/dp/B00006IDJO/ref = sr \ _1 \ _2 ? ie = UTF8&amp;s = home-garden&amp;qid = 1262704605&amp;sr = 1-2 [ amazon.com ] coffee filters ( months supply for 20 people ) - $ 5.23 http : //www.amazon.com/BUNN-BCF250-Commercial-Coffee-Filters/dp/B0006VNO7Y/ref = sr \ _1 \ _12 ? ie = UTF8&amp;s = home-garden&amp;qid = 1262704669&amp;sr = 1-12 [ amazon.com ] so for about 250 initially and a monthly recurring cost of about 50 bucks .
hmmm , 20 sleepy employees who are sluggish and inattentive for several hours a day ( lets say 2 hours , or 1/4 of their shift ) .
now , per employee that 's a monthly cost of $ 2.50 to not diminish that 1/4 of their shift .
how little would you have to be paying your employees to not think that 's a good idea ?
pennies a day ? ? ?
furthermore , this is n't much of a cost cutting measure .
even if I have 10,000 people working for me , I 'm only paying $ 2500 a month to give them coffee ( excluding the cost of the machines , which last a decade ) or $ 30,000 per year , which is nothing for a 10,000 employee company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>industrial coffee maker (can make enough coffee, continuously, for at least 20 people) - $242.07
http://www.amazon.com/VPR-Commercial-12-Cup-Pour-Over-Warmers/dp/B000BN7W84/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=home-garden&amp;qid=1262704523&amp;sr=8-1 [amazon.com]
 
cheap coffee (weeks supply for 20 people) - $14.50
http://www.amazon.com/Folgers-Ground-Regular-PAG20015-Category/dp/B00006IDJO/ref=sr\_1\_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=home-garden&amp;qid=1262704605&amp;sr=1-2 [amazon.com]
 
coffee filters (months supply for 20 people) - $5.23
http://www.amazon.com/BUNN-BCF250-Commercial-Coffee-Filters/dp/B0006VNO7Y/ref=sr\_1\_12?ie=UTF8&amp;s=home-garden&amp;qid=1262704669&amp;sr=1-12 [amazon.com]
 
so for about 250 initially and a monthly recurring cost of about 50 bucks.
hmmm, 20 sleepy employees who are sluggish and inattentive for several hours a day (lets say 2 hours, or 1/4 of their shift).
now, per employee that's a monthly cost of $2.50 to not diminish that 1/4 of their shift.
how little would you have to be paying your employees to not think that's a good idea?
pennies a day???
furthermore, this isn't much of a cost cutting measure.
even if I have 10,000 people working for me, I'm only paying $2500 a month to give them coffee (excluding the cost of the machines, which last a decade) or $30,000 per year, which is nothing for a 10,000 employee company.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655476</id>
	<title>Forced Overtime</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262709960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Forget Coffee. What about forced overtime with no extra pay. My company required 50 hour work weeks with 40 hours of pay. They claim they will give out a bonus if we hit our milestone, but they set the bar so high it's really just legal cover.</p><p>This is the new economy folks -- same as the old economy circa 1914. Get used to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Forget Coffee .
What about forced overtime with no extra pay .
My company required 50 hour work weeks with 40 hours of pay .
They claim they will give out a bonus if we hit our milestone , but they set the bar so high it 's really just legal cover.This is the new economy folks -- same as the old economy circa 1914 .
Get used to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Forget Coffee.
What about forced overtime with no extra pay.
My company required 50 hour work weeks with 40 hours of pay.
They claim they will give out a bonus if we hit our milestone, but they set the bar so high it's really just legal cover.This is the new economy folks -- same as the old economy circa 1914.
Get used to it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30668064</id>
	<title>Can a single can of soda kill your company? Abslty</title>
	<author>speculatrix</author>
	<datestamp>1262783820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://entrepreneur.venturebeat.com/2009/12/22/can-a-single-bottle-of-soda-decimate-your-company-absolutely/" title="venturebeat.com">Can a single bottle of soda decimate your company? Absolutely.</a> [venturebeat.com]
<br>
<br>
when I was a student engineer I worked at a division of Philips Electronics where no drinks were provided for free except water, there was a drink machine which wasn't too expensive (presumably to deter waste) - about 4 cents or 2 UKpence a cup. in one of the secure labs where only authorised people were allowed (high voltage and RF power) there was a clandestine kettle and tea/coffee kit, as kettles were not normally allowed due to "safety".
<br>
A lot of time was lost due to engineers interrupting each other to change money for the machines, and quite frequently whole groups of people would gather to chat for quite a while. One day when the company passed an important test of quality (ISO9000 IIRC) the machines were set to "free" for a week as a reward. I noticed the number of people chatting dropped and productivity must have risen, far in advance of the cost of the coffee.
<br>
I commented to a senior manager about that, and he somewhat agreed, but I don't think anything changed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can a single bottle of soda decimate your company ?
Absolutely. [ venturebeat.com ] when I was a student engineer I worked at a division of Philips Electronics where no drinks were provided for free except water , there was a drink machine which was n't too expensive ( presumably to deter waste ) - about 4 cents or 2 UKpence a cup .
in one of the secure labs where only authorised people were allowed ( high voltage and RF power ) there was a clandestine kettle and tea/coffee kit , as kettles were not normally allowed due to " safety " .
A lot of time was lost due to engineers interrupting each other to change money for the machines , and quite frequently whole groups of people would gather to chat for quite a while .
One day when the company passed an important test of quality ( ISO9000 IIRC ) the machines were set to " free " for a week as a reward .
I noticed the number of people chatting dropped and productivity must have risen , far in advance of the cost of the coffee .
I commented to a senior manager about that , and he somewhat agreed , but I do n't think anything changed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can a single bottle of soda decimate your company?
Absolutely. [venturebeat.com]


when I was a student engineer I worked at a division of Philips Electronics where no drinks were provided for free except water, there was a drink machine which wasn't too expensive (presumably to deter waste) - about 4 cents or 2 UKpence a cup.
in one of the secure labs where only authorised people were allowed (high voltage and RF power) there was a clandestine kettle and tea/coffee kit, as kettles were not normally allowed due to "safety".
A lot of time was lost due to engineers interrupting each other to change money for the machines, and quite frequently whole groups of people would gather to chat for quite a while.
One day when the company passed an important test of quality (ISO9000 IIRC) the machines were set to "free" for a week as a reward.
I noticed the number of people chatting dropped and productivity must have risen, far in advance of the cost of the coffee.
I commented to a senior manager about that, and he somewhat agreed, but I don't think anything changed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30660232</id>
	<title>Tax on the Math Challenged</title>
	<author>Tony Freakin Twist</author>
	<datestamp>1262684640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I worked for US Bank as a consultant at one of their *gigantic* warehouse cube-farms. They had stopped providing free coffee at the many "coffee centers" in the building, which I found incredibly short-sighted. Coffee is fuel. Programmer + Coffee = Productivity.

To acquire said fuel, it was necessary to take a 15 minute round trip hike to the cafeteria on the other side of the building - for which I, of course, charged the time.

$100/hr x<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.25 = $25. I made money going to buy coffee.

<br> <br>

Canceling the Griswald X-mas bonus level stupidity - you're just going to end up kidnapped, tied up with a dog chain and presented to your employee wrapped in a ribbon. Everyone knows that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked for US Bank as a consultant at one of their * gigantic * warehouse cube-farms .
They had stopped providing free coffee at the many " coffee centers " in the building , which I found incredibly short-sighted .
Coffee is fuel .
Programmer + Coffee = Productivity .
To acquire said fuel , it was necessary to take a 15 minute round trip hike to the cafeteria on the other side of the building - for which I , of course , charged the time .
$ 100/hr x .25 = $ 25 .
I made money going to buy coffee .
Canceling the Griswald X-mas bonus level stupidity - you 're just going to end up kidnapped , tied up with a dog chain and presented to your employee wrapped in a ribbon .
Everyone knows that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked for US Bank as a consultant at one of their *gigantic* warehouse cube-farms.
They had stopped providing free coffee at the many "coffee centers" in the building, which I found incredibly short-sighted.
Coffee is fuel.
Programmer + Coffee = Productivity.
To acquire said fuel, it was necessary to take a 15 minute round trip hike to the cafeteria on the other side of the building - for which I, of course, charged the time.
$100/hr x .25 = $25.
I made money going to buy coffee.
Canceling the Griswald X-mas bonus level stupidity - you're just going to end up kidnapped, tied up with a dog chain and presented to your employee wrapped in a ribbon.
Everyone knows that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30657596</id>
	<title>Re:the school district model</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262717280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The fact that it is an unusual luxury is why it is called a "perk."  I think you missed the point.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact that it is an unusual luxury is why it is called a " perk .
" I think you missed the point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact that it is an unusual luxury is why it is called a "perk.
"  I think you missed the point.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655792</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30657114</id>
	<title>Re:I wish they would</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1262715600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I carry a thermos to work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I carry a thermos to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I carry a thermos to work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654600</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655418</id>
	<title>Dilbert has predicted it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262709720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2003-07-11/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //dilbert.com/strips/comic/2003-07-11/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2003-07-11/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655006</id>
	<title>We like our coffee!</title>
	<author>Krissie12345</author>
	<datestamp>1262707920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fortunately at the <a href="http://www.hotline.co.uk/" title="hotline.co.uk" rel="nofollow">promotional products</a> [hotline.co.uk] company where I work we still have our machine, it's a good job for us all that the management like the coffee!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fortunately at the promotional products [ hotline.co.uk ] company where I work we still have our machine , it 's a good job for us all that the management like the coffee !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fortunately at the promotional products [hotline.co.uk] company where I work we still have our machine, it's a good job for us all that the management like the coffee!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654648</id>
	<title>Yep..</title>
	<author>Bearded Frog</author>
	<datestamp>1262706360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My company has done all this already except eliminating the free coffee... that will be the last straw. To quote office space "I'll set the building on fire"


(not really though)</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My company has done all this already except eliminating the free coffee... that will be the last straw .
To quote office space " I 'll set the building on fire " ( not really though )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My company has done all this already except eliminating the free coffee... that will be the last straw.
To quote office space "I'll set the building on fire"


(not really though)
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654944</id>
	<title>But boss, I'm drinking coffee for your sake!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262707620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The whole reason I'm drinking coffee is to stay awake and work.  Caffeinated workers are more productive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The whole reason I 'm drinking coffee is to stay awake and work .
Caffeinated workers are more productive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The whole reason I'm drinking coffee is to stay awake and work.
Caffeinated workers are more productive.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655050</id>
	<title>No worries about the coffee:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262708100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can always fit a small refrigerator inside of a std. rack (lay a couple of 2x4's across the bottom to hold it up, and make sure the rack doors are on it, front and back). Put your own coffee maker on top of it, and you're set. Tape a few Dell server front panels to the inside of the rack door while you're at it. If you're really into disguises, wire up a few LED's to those panels.</p><p>Now if only there was a way to squeeze a big-screen TV in there... and no, not sideways.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can always fit a small refrigerator inside of a std .
rack ( lay a couple of 2x4 's across the bottom to hold it up , and make sure the rack doors are on it , front and back ) .
Put your own coffee maker on top of it , and you 're set .
Tape a few Dell server front panels to the inside of the rack door while you 're at it .
If you 're really into disguises , wire up a few LED 's to those panels.Now if only there was a way to squeeze a big-screen TV in there... and no , not sideways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can always fit a small refrigerator inside of a std.
rack (lay a couple of 2x4's across the bottom to hold it up, and make sure the rack doors are on it, front and back).
Put your own coffee maker on top of it, and you're set.
Tape a few Dell server front panels to the inside of the rack door while you're at it.
If you're really into disguises, wire up a few LED's to those panels.Now if only there was a way to squeeze a big-screen TV in there... and no, not sideways.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654554</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30657286</id>
	<title>Re:A simple cost vs benefit analysis</title>
	<author>drspliff</author>
	<datestamp>1262716200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Buying Folgers coffee would be a slap in the face. For $1 per person per day it's pretty easy to afford some good quality coffee, instead of brown vaguely coffee-esque tasting caffeinated hot water.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Buying Folgers coffee would be a slap in the face .
For $ 1 per person per day it 's pretty easy to afford some good quality coffee , instead of brown vaguely coffee-esque tasting caffeinated hot water .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Buying Folgers coffee would be a slap in the face.
For $1 per person per day it's pretty easy to afford some good quality coffee, instead of brown vaguely coffee-esque tasting caffeinated hot water.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655158</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30657964</id>
	<title>Re:Putting on the dick moves</title>
	<author>infinite9</author>
	<datestamp>1262718360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But barring that, there's cashless ways to show care. </p></div><p>Yeah, maybe they can let you park in that close parking space next to the CEO's space... for a month.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But barring that , there 's cashless ways to show care .
Yeah , maybe they can let you park in that close parking space next to the CEO 's space... for a month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But barring that, there's cashless ways to show care.
Yeah, maybe they can let you park in that close parking space next to the CEO's space... for a month.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655208</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655862</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>DaFallus</author>
	<datestamp>1262711340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Employees are also a company's greatest asset. For some reason most managers and corporate officers forget this. Also, I have never met <em>anyone</em> who works every second of the day while in the office, especially when it comes to upper management. Taking five minutes to check your personal email or scan the headlines on slashdot doesn't really hurt anyone or get in the way of productivity. Taking small, inexpensive perks away from your employees, especially when in the name of cost cutting, does nothing but create resentment and signal to your most valuable talent that its time to start looking for employment elsewhere.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Employees are also a company 's greatest asset .
For some reason most managers and corporate officers forget this .
Also , I have never met anyone who works every second of the day while in the office , especially when it comes to upper management .
Taking five minutes to check your personal email or scan the headlines on slashdot does n't really hurt anyone or get in the way of productivity .
Taking small , inexpensive perks away from your employees , especially when in the name of cost cutting , does nothing but create resentment and signal to your most valuable talent that its time to start looking for employment elsewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Employees are also a company's greatest asset.
For some reason most managers and corporate officers forget this.
Also, I have never met anyone who works every second of the day while in the office, especially when it comes to upper management.
Taking five minutes to check your personal email or scan the headlines on slashdot doesn't really hurt anyone or get in the way of productivity.
Taking small, inexpensive perks away from your employees, especially when in the name of cost cutting, does nothing but create resentment and signal to your most valuable talent that its time to start looking for employment elsewhere.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654872</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655098</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>system1111</author>
	<datestamp>1262708340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can't tell if there was sarcasm in this or not. If not makes me sad panda.

Seriously its the little things that make people happy and keep them that way. The less happy you make them the less productive they will be. And the easier they will become targets to get sniped by other companies Which do you think costs more in the long run that cup of coffee or the lost productivity/retraining?

Ugh don't make me throwup with the stakeholders line. Because praising the almighty stake holders for that short-term near quarter bump has no long term implications 

Companies have this awful sense of entitlement when it comes to taking advantage of there workers</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't tell if there was sarcasm in this or not .
If not makes me sad panda .
Seriously its the little things that make people happy and keep them that way .
The less happy you make them the less productive they will be .
And the easier they will become targets to get sniped by other companies Which do you think costs more in the long run that cup of coffee or the lost productivity/retraining ?
Ugh do n't make me throwup with the stakeholders line .
Because praising the almighty stake holders for that short-term near quarter bump has no long term implications Companies have this awful sense of entitlement when it comes to taking advantage of there workers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't tell if there was sarcasm in this or not.
If not makes me sad panda.
Seriously its the little things that make people happy and keep them that way.
The less happy you make them the less productive they will be.
And the easier they will become targets to get sniped by other companies Which do you think costs more in the long run that cup of coffee or the lost productivity/retraining?
Ugh don't make me throwup with the stakeholders line.
Because praising the almighty stake holders for that short-term near quarter bump has no long term implications 

Companies have this awful sense of entitlement when it comes to taking advantage of there workers</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654872</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655208</id>
	<title>Putting on the dick moves</title>
	<author>jollyreaper</author>
	<datestamp>1262708820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a firm believer that if a business wants to show it cares, it'll say it with money. Because that's the only thing that matters to a business. if it's parting with cash in ways it does not absolutely have to, that says something. But barring that, there's cashless ways to show care. There's not much you can do if you're doing IT-as-a-service where you need to be available for fixed hours but if you're doing dev work that doesn't go on a fixed schedule, give flex time! You worked late during the week, take a half day Friday. Costs the company nothing, same amount of work is getting done. Need a dr's appointment? For the love of xod, we're not going to ding you four hours of vacation time for it.</p><p>I don't really get the silly stuff like pool tables and video games. That just seems like prolonging time spent at work and in a non-productive fashion. I would put more of a premium on getting the max amount of work done in the shortest possible time so people can go home. Quality of life is about having a life outside the office. In-house masseuses, catered lunches every day, that seems a little wasteful. But cutting 401k, cutting fucking coffee? Major dick moves.</p><p>Employers are doing it because it's an employer's market out there. But rest assured, these employers will reap what they sow. The best employees are always the most mobile employees. If your best feel dicked over or if there's even the slightest concern about company stability, they will be out the door in a heartbeat. And it's now accepted in IT culture that you will NEVER make more money at the same employer. The only way to raise your pay is to move to another organization because your current one will never justify paying more for the person they already have, no matter if you're learning new skills, taking on more work, or improving the bottom line.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a firm believer that if a business wants to show it cares , it 'll say it with money .
Because that 's the only thing that matters to a business .
if it 's parting with cash in ways it does not absolutely have to , that says something .
But barring that , there 's cashless ways to show care .
There 's not much you can do if you 're doing IT-as-a-service where you need to be available for fixed hours but if you 're doing dev work that does n't go on a fixed schedule , give flex time !
You worked late during the week , take a half day Friday .
Costs the company nothing , same amount of work is getting done .
Need a dr 's appointment ?
For the love of xod , we 're not going to ding you four hours of vacation time for it.I do n't really get the silly stuff like pool tables and video games .
That just seems like prolonging time spent at work and in a non-productive fashion .
I would put more of a premium on getting the max amount of work done in the shortest possible time so people can go home .
Quality of life is about having a life outside the office .
In-house masseuses , catered lunches every day , that seems a little wasteful .
But cutting 401k , cutting fucking coffee ?
Major dick moves.Employers are doing it because it 's an employer 's market out there .
But rest assured , these employers will reap what they sow .
The best employees are always the most mobile employees .
If your best feel dicked over or if there 's even the slightest concern about company stability , they will be out the door in a heartbeat .
And it 's now accepted in IT culture that you will NEVER make more money at the same employer .
The only way to raise your pay is to move to another organization because your current one will never justify paying more for the person they already have , no matter if you 're learning new skills , taking on more work , or improving the bottom line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a firm believer that if a business wants to show it cares, it'll say it with money.
Because that's the only thing that matters to a business.
if it's parting with cash in ways it does not absolutely have to, that says something.
But barring that, there's cashless ways to show care.
There's not much you can do if you're doing IT-as-a-service where you need to be available for fixed hours but if you're doing dev work that doesn't go on a fixed schedule, give flex time!
You worked late during the week, take a half day Friday.
Costs the company nothing, same amount of work is getting done.
Need a dr's appointment?
For the love of xod, we're not going to ding you four hours of vacation time for it.I don't really get the silly stuff like pool tables and video games.
That just seems like prolonging time spent at work and in a non-productive fashion.
I would put more of a premium on getting the max amount of work done in the shortest possible time so people can go home.
Quality of life is about having a life outside the office.
In-house masseuses, catered lunches every day, that seems a little wasteful.
But cutting 401k, cutting fucking coffee?
Major dick moves.Employers are doing it because it's an employer's market out there.
But rest assured, these employers will reap what they sow.
The best employees are always the most mobile employees.
If your best feel dicked over or if there's even the slightest concern about company stability, they will be out the door in a heartbeat.
And it's now accepted in IT culture that you will NEVER make more money at the same employer.
The only way to raise your pay is to move to another organization because your current one will never justify paying more for the person they already have, no matter if you're learning new skills, taking on more work, or improving the bottom line.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30660544</id>
	<title>Oh, this is a big incentive...</title>
	<author>driftingwalrus</author>
	<datestamp>1262685720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This'll encourage all kinds of talented people to stay in IT, that's for sure.  This combined with the bad pay and near infinite stress, and being woken up at 3AM become some developer was fiddling where he shouldn't be...  Yeah, who wouldn't want to work in this field?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This 'll encourage all kinds of talented people to stay in IT , that 's for sure .
This combined with the bad pay and near infinite stress , and being woken up at 3AM become some developer was fiddling where he should n't be... Yeah , who would n't want to work in this field ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This'll encourage all kinds of talented people to stay in IT, that's for sure.
This combined with the bad pay and near infinite stress, and being woken up at 3AM become some developer was fiddling where he shouldn't be...  Yeah, who wouldn't want to work in this field?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654978</id>
	<title>Bonuses....?</title>
	<author>BestNicksRTaken</author>
	<datestamp>1262707800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What are they?</p><p>How 1980's. Only incompetent bankers get bonuses these days.</p><p>I remember working for some prick who actually said "your bonus is still having a job" in a meeting once; well actually my bonus was leaving them and getting paid 15k more elsewhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What are they ? How 1980 's .
Only incompetent bankers get bonuses these days.I remember working for some prick who actually said " your bonus is still having a job " in a meeting once ; well actually my bonus was leaving them and getting paid 15k more elsewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What are they?How 1980's.
Only incompetent bankers get bonuses these days.I remember working for some prick who actually said "your bonus is still having a job" in a meeting once; well actually my bonus was leaving them and getting paid 15k more elsewhere.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655686</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>rAiNsT0rm</author>
	<datestamp>1262710620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I once worked running the IT dept. for a bank, and seriously, during a high-level meeting including the president, CFO, myself, and a bunch of VPs they sat and laughed while discussing, for 15 minutes, how they found even crappier plastic utensils that were super cheap (I calculated the savings which equaled $7.00 per month). The combined salary in that room for 15 minutes could have bought Oneida silverware for every kitchenette, and it ended with them stating: "haha, they are so weak and flimsy people will just stop using them and bring their own!" and had a good laugh.</p><p>I was probably never so disgusted with human beings as that moment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I once worked running the IT dept .
for a bank , and seriously , during a high-level meeting including the president , CFO , myself , and a bunch of VPs they sat and laughed while discussing , for 15 minutes , how they found even crappier plastic utensils that were super cheap ( I calculated the savings which equaled $ 7.00 per month ) .
The combined salary in that room for 15 minutes could have bought Oneida silverware for every kitchenette , and it ended with them stating : " haha , they are so weak and flimsy people will just stop using them and bring their own !
" and had a good laugh.I was probably never so disgusted with human beings as that moment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I once worked running the IT dept.
for a bank, and seriously, during a high-level meeting including the president, CFO, myself, and a bunch of VPs they sat and laughed while discussing, for 15 minutes, how they found even crappier plastic utensils that were super cheap (I calculated the savings which equaled $7.00 per month).
The combined salary in that room for 15 minutes could have bought Oneida silverware for every kitchenette, and it ended with them stating: "haha, they are so weak and flimsy people will just stop using them and bring their own!
" and had a good laugh.I was probably never so disgusted with human beings as that moment.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654840</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655184</id>
	<title>coffee???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262708700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>fuk coffee! would you imagine, they REFUSED to return my pinball machine &amp; minibar... started asking me for RECEIPTS - I tried explaining them that call girls erhhhm massage girls &amp; drug dealers erhmm mobile pharmacies don't normally give those out but I don't think the message sunk in well. I'm thinking about retiring @ 35, what is this world coming to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:((( i still have SO MUCH to give!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>fuk coffee !
would you imagine , they REFUSED to return my pinball machine &amp; minibar... started asking me for RECEIPTS - I tried explaining them that call girls erhhhm massage girls &amp; drug dealers erhmm mobile pharmacies do n't normally give those out but I do n't think the message sunk in well .
I 'm thinking about retiring @ 35 , what is this world coming to : ( ( ( i still have SO MUCH to give !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>fuk coffee!
would you imagine, they REFUSED to return my pinball machine &amp; minibar... started asking me for RECEIPTS - I tried explaining them that call girls erhhhm massage girls &amp; drug dealers erhmm mobile pharmacies don't normally give those out but I don't think the message sunk in well.
I'm thinking about retiring @ 35, what is this world coming to :((( i still have SO MUCH to give!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654918</id>
	<title>When did coffee become so expensive?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262707500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>While in larger companies doing away with free coffee could be a sensible alternative to laying off perhaps 0.5\% of the work force, you have to wonder about the margins and sustainability of a corporation that actually *needs* to do that. As for smaller companies - if they can't even afford free coffee, it must really suck to work there.<br> <br>I can only recommend managers to think about how much free for employees (good) food and drinks actually cost you compared to the part of the salaries that goes towards pizza/drinks at work otherwise, what the benefits are (healthier employees, less time wasted ordering stuff or going out to buy it) and how it may or may not make people feel more attached/loyal to your company. As for coffee - think of the headaches from caffeine deprivation you might induce if you don't provide it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>While in larger companies doing away with free coffee could be a sensible alternative to laying off perhaps 0.5 \ % of the work force , you have to wonder about the margins and sustainability of a corporation that actually * needs * to do that .
As for smaller companies - if they ca n't even afford free coffee , it must really suck to work there .
I can only recommend managers to think about how much free for employees ( good ) food and drinks actually cost you compared to the part of the salaries that goes towards pizza/drinks at work otherwise , what the benefits are ( healthier employees , less time wasted ordering stuff or going out to buy it ) and how it may or may not make people feel more attached/loyal to your company .
As for coffee - think of the headaches from caffeine deprivation you might induce if you do n't provide it .
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While in larger companies doing away with free coffee could be a sensible alternative to laying off perhaps 0.5\% of the work force, you have to wonder about the margins and sustainability of a corporation that actually *needs* to do that.
As for smaller companies - if they can't even afford free coffee, it must really suck to work there.
I can only recommend managers to think about how much free for employees (good) food and drinks actually cost you compared to the part of the salaries that goes towards pizza/drinks at work otherwise, what the benefits are (healthier employees, less time wasted ordering stuff or going out to buy it) and how it may or may not make people feel more attached/loyal to your company.
As for coffee - think of the headaches from caffeine deprivation you might induce if you don't provide it.
;-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655510</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>chrysrobyn</author>
	<datestamp>1262710020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>You are at work to work, you are not at work to read slashdot and gmail.

You have this awful sense of entitlement. Free coffee? Have to justify travel expenses? C'mon the company does not exist to serve you, you exist to work for them and provide value at a minimum of expense.

The companies responsibility is to its stakeholders to provide maximum profit. Employees are the largest expense a company has, so in lean times like these, they have to cut spending of all expenses to survive.</p></div></blockquote><p>A company that mistakes its employees for machines or robots will suffer productivity losses.  We are people, and yes, we develop a sense of entitlement for benefits we take for granted.  I've never worked a place with free coffee, so I don't get the big deal.  I'd be grateful if the company offered that minor expense.  I bring in my own Thermos of coffee every day, and it sets me back 10 minutes in the morning to make it, plus $10/month in beans.  It's not a significant investment, compared to even the IT costs for my e-mail alone.</p><p>If you threaten my 401k, I'll go elsewhere.  There are other companies in this city, and I don't even like this city.  There are still companies preserving 401k matching.</p><p>"Times like these" are largely self-described to several companies.  Spending is not down across the board.  If you have a significant customer base in Detroit, or if you're in several manufacturing industries, obviously you've been hit.  But some of us are doing quite well and getting a little upset that the company is still cutting back and pointing to other unrelated industries as the reason.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are at work to work , you are not at work to read slashdot and gmail .
You have this awful sense of entitlement .
Free coffee ?
Have to justify travel expenses ?
C'mon the company does not exist to serve you , you exist to work for them and provide value at a minimum of expense .
The companies responsibility is to its stakeholders to provide maximum profit .
Employees are the largest expense a company has , so in lean times like these , they have to cut spending of all expenses to survive.A company that mistakes its employees for machines or robots will suffer productivity losses .
We are people , and yes , we develop a sense of entitlement for benefits we take for granted .
I 've never worked a place with free coffee , so I do n't get the big deal .
I 'd be grateful if the company offered that minor expense .
I bring in my own Thermos of coffee every day , and it sets me back 10 minutes in the morning to make it , plus $ 10/month in beans .
It 's not a significant investment , compared to even the IT costs for my e-mail alone.If you threaten my 401k , I 'll go elsewhere .
There are other companies in this city , and I do n't even like this city .
There are still companies preserving 401k matching .
" Times like these " are largely self-described to several companies .
Spending is not down across the board .
If you have a significant customer base in Detroit , or if you 're in several manufacturing industries , obviously you 've been hit .
But some of us are doing quite well and getting a little upset that the company is still cutting back and pointing to other unrelated industries as the reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are at work to work, you are not at work to read slashdot and gmail.
You have this awful sense of entitlement.
Free coffee?
Have to justify travel expenses?
C'mon the company does not exist to serve you, you exist to work for them and provide value at a minimum of expense.
The companies responsibility is to its stakeholders to provide maximum profit.
Employees are the largest expense a company has, so in lean times like these, they have to cut spending of all expenses to survive.A company that mistakes its employees for machines or robots will suffer productivity losses.
We are people, and yes, we develop a sense of entitlement for benefits we take for granted.
I've never worked a place with free coffee, so I don't get the big deal.
I'd be grateful if the company offered that minor expense.
I bring in my own Thermos of coffee every day, and it sets me back 10 minutes in the morning to make it, plus $10/month in beans.
It's not a significant investment, compared to even the IT costs for my e-mail alone.If you threaten my 401k, I'll go elsewhere.
There are other companies in this city, and I don't even like this city.
There are still companies preserving 401k matching.
"Times like these" are largely self-described to several companies.
Spending is not down across the board.
If you have a significant customer base in Detroit, or if you're in several manufacturing industries, obviously you've been hit.
But some of us are doing quite well and getting a little upset that the company is still cutting back and pointing to other unrelated industries as the reason.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655318</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>aes123</author>
	<datestamp>1262709240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hate to break it to you, but employees are one of the stakeholders at a company.  Contrary to popular belief, a company's sole responsibility is NOT to its shareholders; a company needs to properly balance its responsibilities to it shareholders, employees, and customers.

Employees are not ONLY an expense; very often, they are also the reason that a company has a profit to worry about in the first place.  If a company spends<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.1\% of its revenue on employee perks like coffee and it earns them 1\% in productivity, that sounds like a fantastic return.

Focusing on expenses only is back ass-wards, shortsighted, and often counterproductive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hate to break it to you , but employees are one of the stakeholders at a company .
Contrary to popular belief , a company 's sole responsibility is NOT to its shareholders ; a company needs to properly balance its responsibilities to it shareholders , employees , and customers .
Employees are not ONLY an expense ; very often , they are also the reason that a company has a profit to worry about in the first place .
If a company spends .1 \ % of its revenue on employee perks like coffee and it earns them 1 \ % in productivity , that sounds like a fantastic return .
Focusing on expenses only is back ass-wards , shortsighted , and often counterproductive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hate to break it to you, but employees are one of the stakeholders at a company.
Contrary to popular belief, a company's sole responsibility is NOT to its shareholders; a company needs to properly balance its responsibilities to it shareholders, employees, and customers.
Employees are not ONLY an expense; very often, they are also the reason that a company has a profit to worry about in the first place.
If a company spends .1\% of its revenue on employee perks like coffee and it earns them 1\% in productivity, that sounds like a fantastic return.
Focusing on expenses only is back ass-wards, shortsighted, and often counterproductive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30660918</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1262687100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you need to learn what the word entitlement means.</p><p>You are partially correct, you don't exist to work for companies.  You are more than welcome to farm your own land, raise your own animals and eek out a survival some other way.</p><p>Reality on the other hand says that if you're being such a whiney bitch about your desk job that one day of having to do real work would probably result in your death due to an acute case of 'sudden on set reality'.</p><p>So your choice is to go sit at a comfy desk job and pay for your own coffee, or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... go get a job that requires real work and get fired the first day because you are utterly incapable of doing real work because you spend all your time whining about how its 'hard' and 'unfair'.</p><p>You don't exist to serve companies, companies don't exist to serve you, yet you seem to think so.  Theres a good portion of the population that would be more than happy to take your job and not bitch about it, you might want to consider that before you bitch and moan too much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you need to learn what the word entitlement means.You are partially correct , you do n't exist to work for companies .
You are more than welcome to farm your own land , raise your own animals and eek out a survival some other way.Reality on the other hand says that if you 're being such a whiney bitch about your desk job that one day of having to do real work would probably result in your death due to an acute case of 'sudden on set reality'.So your choice is to go sit at a comfy desk job and pay for your own coffee , or ... go get a job that requires real work and get fired the first day because you are utterly incapable of doing real work because you spend all your time whining about how its 'hard ' and 'unfair'.You do n't exist to serve companies , companies do n't exist to serve you , yet you seem to think so .
Theres a good portion of the population that would be more than happy to take your job and not bitch about it , you might want to consider that before you bitch and moan too much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you need to learn what the word entitlement means.You are partially correct, you don't exist to work for companies.
You are more than welcome to farm your own land, raise your own animals and eek out a survival some other way.Reality on the other hand says that if you're being such a whiney bitch about your desk job that one day of having to do real work would probably result in your death due to an acute case of 'sudden on set reality'.So your choice is to go sit at a comfy desk job and pay for your own coffee, or ... go get a job that requires real work and get fired the first day because you are utterly incapable of doing real work because you spend all your time whining about how its 'hard' and 'unfair'.You don't exist to serve companies, companies don't exist to serve you, yet you seem to think so.
Theres a good portion of the population that would be more than happy to take your job and not bitch about it, you might want to consider that before you bitch and moan too much.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30656442</id>
	<title>Re:No worries about the coffee:</title>
	<author>moosesocks</author>
	<datestamp>1262713440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.canford.co.uk/Products/13-024\_CANFORD-FRIDGE-Rackmount-13U" title="canford.co.uk">This actually exists</a> [canford.co.uk] as a product, albeit for use in the entertainment industry, which also uses 19" racks for a variety of applications.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This actually exists [ canford.co.uk ] as a product , albeit for use in the entertainment industry , which also uses 19 " racks for a variety of applications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This actually exists [canford.co.uk] as a product, albeit for use in the entertainment industry, which also uses 19" racks for a variety of applications.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655280</id>
	<title>Perks?</title>
	<author>ez151</author>
	<datestamp>1262709060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously you guys get perks AND free coffee at work?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously you guys get perks AND free coffee at work ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously you guys get perks AND free coffee at work?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30658048</id>
	<title>Are they insane?!</title>
	<author>webdog314</author>
	<datestamp>1262718660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let me see if I understand this: The company in question is getting rid of the ability to give it's employee's productivity enhancing drugs (which they are taking <b>willingly</b>) so that they can trim a little off the overhead? Times are tough, sure, but you would think management would want their employee's to work harder and longer, yes?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me see if I understand this : The company in question is getting rid of the ability to give it 's employee 's productivity enhancing drugs ( which they are taking willingly ) so that they can trim a little off the overhead ?
Times are tough , sure , but you would think management would want their employee 's to work harder and longer , yes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me see if I understand this: The company in question is getting rid of the ability to give it's employee's productivity enhancing drugs (which they are taking willingly) so that they can trim a little off the overhead?
Times are tough, sure, but you would think management would want their employee's to work harder and longer, yes?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30660846</id>
	<title>Re:the school district model</title>
	<author>Alpha830RulZ</author>
	<datestamp>1262686800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As Steve McConnell noted a long time ago, one of the major reasons you supply free coffee and free pop is to keep your employees close to their desks.  If people walk across the street to starbucks twice a day, or even to the cafeteria, , that's 30 minutes of productivity per day you lost.  Assuming $70k a year for a developer, those walks across the street cost you $4300/year.  It's a lot cheaper to buy a coffee machine.</p><p>The phrase "false economy" comes to mind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As Steve McConnell noted a long time ago , one of the major reasons you supply free coffee and free pop is to keep your employees close to their desks .
If people walk across the street to starbucks twice a day , or even to the cafeteria , , that 's 30 minutes of productivity per day you lost .
Assuming $ 70k a year for a developer , those walks across the street cost you $ 4300/year .
It 's a lot cheaper to buy a coffee machine.The phrase " false economy " comes to mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As Steve McConnell noted a long time ago, one of the major reasons you supply free coffee and free pop is to keep your employees close to their desks.
If people walk across the street to starbucks twice a day, or even to the cafeteria, , that's 30 minutes of productivity per day you lost.
Assuming $70k a year for a developer, those walks across the street cost you $4300/year.
It's a lot cheaper to buy a coffee machine.The phrase "false economy" comes to mind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30657024</id>
	<title>productivity down as ...</title>
	<author>josepha48</author>
	<datestamp>1262715240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... it workers leave the office to get coffee elsewhere.  Figure a refill ever 2 hours and a 15 to 30 minute commute to a coffee shop depending on where you live they could regret that decision.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... it workers leave the office to get coffee elsewhere .
Figure a refill ever 2 hours and a 15 to 30 minute commute to a coffee shop depending on where you live they could regret that decision .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... it workers leave the office to get coffee elsewhere.
Figure a refill ever 2 hours and a 15 to 30 minute commute to a coffee shop depending on where you live they could regret that decision.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655722</id>
	<title>You get back what you invest in.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262710860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey CEO, wake up.  There is a shortage in new IT workers.  Nobody wants to work for you anymore, so they aren't studying for CS. It doesn't appear to be worth the degree. Bad coffee isn't a perk.  No retirement fund?  They could do better by building roads or being a cop. Studying hard so they can start working for you is not an attractive option. Wake up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey CEO , wake up .
There is a shortage in new IT workers .
Nobody wants to work for you anymore , so they are n't studying for CS .
It does n't appear to be worth the degree .
Bad coffee is n't a perk .
No retirement fund ?
They could do better by building roads or being a cop .
Studying hard so they can start working for you is not an attractive option .
Wake up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey CEO, wake up.
There is a shortage in new IT workers.
Nobody wants to work for you anymore, so they aren't studying for CS.
It doesn't appear to be worth the degree.
Bad coffee isn't a perk.
No retirement fund?
They could do better by building roads or being a cop.
Studying hard so they can start working for you is not an attractive option.
Wake up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30665196</id>
	<title>Re:the school district model</title>
	<author>Taikutusu</author>
	<datestamp>1262709600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I have always thought of programming as the art of converting caffeine into an executable. Coffee is part of the cost of doing business.</p></div><p>Mathematicians had the monopoly on this first, since they are devices for turning coffee into theorems.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have always thought of programming as the art of converting caffeine into an executable .
Coffee is part of the cost of doing business.Mathematicians had the monopoly on this first , since they are devices for turning coffee into theorems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have always thought of programming as the art of converting caffeine into an executable.
Coffee is part of the cost of doing business.Mathematicians had the monopoly on this first, since they are devices for turning coffee into theorems.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30659672</id>
	<title>Free coffee? No thanks.</title>
	<author>wiedzmin</author>
	<datestamp>1262682480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In all honesty, with the quality of free coffee one would find in IT departments, I'd rather have no free coffee - I'm always buying or bringing my own coffee anyways.

On the other hand - no free coffee means lower productivity. No really, it does. Ask Wally.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In all honesty , with the quality of free coffee one would find in IT departments , I 'd rather have no free coffee - I 'm always buying or bringing my own coffee anyways .
On the other hand - no free coffee means lower productivity .
No really , it does .
Ask Wally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In all honesty, with the quality of free coffee one would find in IT departments, I'd rather have no free coffee - I'm always buying or bringing my own coffee anyways.
On the other hand - no free coffee means lower productivity.
No really, it does.
Ask Wally.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654554</id>
	<title>the school district model</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262705880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>institution purchases even MORE gear because buying is from last years budget.</p><p>institution reduces IT staff because salaries are from this years budget.</p><p>no coffee? just be happy there even IS an IT position.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>institution purchases even MORE gear because buying is from last years budget.institution reduces IT staff because salaries are from this years budget.no coffee ?
just be happy there even IS an IT position .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>institution purchases even MORE gear because buying is from last years budget.institution reduces IT staff because salaries are from this years budget.no coffee?
just be happy there even IS an IT position.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655428</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>YeeHaW\_Jelte</author>
	<datestamp>1262709720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"C'mon the company does not exist to serve you, you exist to work for them and provide value at a minimum of expense."</p><p>Eh no. I most certainly do not exist for a company's sake.</p><p>Also, I consider myself to be a stakeholder in the company I work for too. When being contracted by a company, we enter a mutually beneficial relationship, notice the word mutual. Treat me well as employee and I will treat you well as employer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" C'mon the company does not exist to serve you , you exist to work for them and provide value at a minimum of expense .
" Eh no .
I most certainly do not exist for a company 's sake.Also , I consider myself to be a stakeholder in the company I work for too .
When being contracted by a company , we enter a mutually beneficial relationship , notice the word mutual .
Treat me well as employee and I will treat you well as employer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"C'mon the company does not exist to serve you, you exist to work for them and provide value at a minimum of expense.
"Eh no.
I most certainly do not exist for a company's sake.Also, I consider myself to be a stakeholder in the company I work for too.
When being contracted by a company, we enter a mutually beneficial relationship, notice the word mutual.
Treat me well as employee and I will treat you well as employer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30665110</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262709060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The companies responsibility is to its stakeholders to provide maximum profit. Employees are the largest expense a company has,</p></div><p>They are also the largest <i>Asset</i> the company has. It pays out in the long run to take care of your assets.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>So suck it up and be happy you have a job, and not be part of the 10 percent who wish they had one.</p></div><p>And the boss can suck it up and be happy he has competent employees, or join the 80\% who wish they did have some.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The companies responsibility is to its stakeholders to provide maximum profit .
Employees are the largest expense a company has,They are also the largest Asset the company has .
It pays out in the long run to take care of your assets.So suck it up and be happy you have a job , and not be part of the 10 percent who wish they had one.And the boss can suck it up and be happy he has competent employees , or join the 80 \ % who wish they did have some .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The companies responsibility is to its stakeholders to provide maximum profit.
Employees are the largest expense a company has,They are also the largest Asset the company has.
It pays out in the long run to take care of your assets.So suck it up and be happy you have a job, and not be part of the 10 percent who wish they had one.And the boss can suck it up and be happy he has competent employees, or join the 80\% who wish they did have some.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654940</id>
	<title>yeah...</title>
	<author>Sir\_Real</author>
	<datestamp>1262707620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No bonuses or raises, yet we somehow managed to come up with enough money to pay Oracle for a weblogic license.  We don't host any apps that require anything more than jsp and servlets.  We use spring instead of j2ee.  It's fucking absurd.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No bonuses or raises , yet we somehow managed to come up with enough money to pay Oracle for a weblogic license .
We do n't host any apps that require anything more than jsp and servlets .
We use spring instead of j2ee .
It 's fucking absurd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No bonuses or raises, yet we somehow managed to come up with enough money to pay Oracle for a weblogic license.
We don't host any apps that require anything more than jsp and servlets.
We use spring instead of j2ee.
It's fucking absurd.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655742</id>
	<title>IT is now a Clerical, not Professional job</title>
	<author>xanthos</author>
	<datestamp>1262710860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well it was a nice run while it lasted.  Current cortporate management thinking is that IT positions are now considered clerical, not professional like they used to be.</p><p>Don't think so?  Then ask yourself this question, "Who do I report to?"</p><p>If the answer is a Director or an Officer, then congratulations you are still considered a professional, for now.<br>If it is a Manager, then you might still be considered a professional, but watch your back.<br>If it is a Project Manager or a Team Lead, sorry you are clerical.</p><p>By lowering your status management can lower your pay, benefits and advancement opportunities.</p><p>They also are shooting themselves in the foot since they are probably also sacrificing creativity for slavish adherence to standardized processes.</p><p>You will not get rich by working for someone else, but you may be able to live comfortably.</p><p>-Xanthos</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well it was a nice run while it lasted .
Current cortporate management thinking is that IT positions are now considered clerical , not professional like they used to be.Do n't think so ?
Then ask yourself this question , " Who do I report to ?
" If the answer is a Director or an Officer , then congratulations you are still considered a professional , for now.If it is a Manager , then you might still be considered a professional , but watch your back.If it is a Project Manager or a Team Lead , sorry you are clerical.By lowering your status management can lower your pay , benefits and advancement opportunities.They also are shooting themselves in the foot since they are probably also sacrificing creativity for slavish adherence to standardized processes.You will not get rich by working for someone else , but you may be able to live comfortably.-Xanthos</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well it was a nice run while it lasted.
Current cortporate management thinking is that IT positions are now considered clerical, not professional like they used to be.Don't think so?
Then ask yourself this question, "Who do I report to?
"If the answer is a Director or an Officer, then congratulations you are still considered a professional, for now.If it is a Manager, then you might still be considered a professional, but watch your back.If it is a Project Manager or a Team Lead, sorry you are clerical.By lowering your status management can lower your pay, benefits and advancement opportunities.They also are shooting themselves in the foot since they are probably also sacrificing creativity for slavish adherence to standardized processes.You will not get rich by working for someone else, but you may be able to live comfortably.-Xanthos</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655470</id>
	<title>Bail on them idiots!</title>
	<author>KlomDark</author>
	<datestamp>1262709900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Work for a company that wasn't so stupid with their money during the gravy years. If they are resorting to such ignorant behavior, then they don't have a clue anyway, so better off getting a better job elsewhere.</p><p>Place I work isn't even considering any of these stupid options - employee morale is better than I've seen anywhere else I've ever worked. Still have great insurance with a great match, bonuses, travel, etc. Free coffee is so good here that the Starbucks that used to be in the building closed because nobody was buying their stuff. (And replace the Starbucks area with a FREE arcade!)</p><p>Anyone who says the only point of a company is to please their stockholders is a soulless idiot fascist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Work for a company that was n't so stupid with their money during the gravy years .
If they are resorting to such ignorant behavior , then they do n't have a clue anyway , so better off getting a better job elsewhere.Place I work is n't even considering any of these stupid options - employee morale is better than I 've seen anywhere else I 've ever worked .
Still have great insurance with a great match , bonuses , travel , etc .
Free coffee is so good here that the Starbucks that used to be in the building closed because nobody was buying their stuff .
( And replace the Starbucks area with a FREE arcade !
) Anyone who says the only point of a company is to please their stockholders is a soulless idiot fascist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Work for a company that wasn't so stupid with their money during the gravy years.
If they are resorting to such ignorant behavior, then they don't have a clue anyway, so better off getting a better job elsewhere.Place I work isn't even considering any of these stupid options - employee morale is better than I've seen anywhere else I've ever worked.
Still have great insurance with a great match, bonuses, travel, etc.
Free coffee is so good here that the Starbucks that used to be in the building closed because nobody was buying their stuff.
(And replace the Starbucks area with a FREE arcade!
)Anyone who says the only point of a company is to please their stockholders is a soulless idiot fascist.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30659364</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>SpaceCadets</author>
	<datestamp>1262724420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It may have been here that I read the following quote, but I found it so good that I kept it. Sorry I don't know how to space this out over seperate lines.
"I may be branded a traitor to "working men" everywhere but I believe this: I have a job because my company was successful enough to hire me. It is my job to bust my ass to make the company even more successful. I need my company more than my company needs me. If my company can find someone who can do my job better for less money, they are obligated to do so. It is my job to ensure that my contribution to the company assures my continued employment. My company and I are both playing for the same team."</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It may have been here that I read the following quote , but I found it so good that I kept it .
Sorry I do n't know how to space this out over seperate lines .
" I may be branded a traitor to " working men " everywhere but I believe this : I have a job because my company was successful enough to hire me .
It is my job to bust my ass to make the company even more successful .
I need my company more than my company needs me .
If my company can find someone who can do my job better for less money , they are obligated to do so .
It is my job to ensure that my contribution to the company assures my continued employment .
My company and I are both playing for the same team .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It may have been here that I read the following quote, but I found it so good that I kept it.
Sorry I don't know how to space this out over seperate lines.
"I may be branded a traitor to "working men" everywhere but I believe this: I have a job because my company was successful enough to hire me.
It is my job to bust my ass to make the company even more successful.
I need my company more than my company needs me.
If my company can find someone who can do my job better for less money, they are obligated to do so.
It is my job to ensure that my contribution to the company assures my continued employment.
My company and I are both playing for the same team.
"
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654872</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30664076</id>
	<title>not so for the coffee</title>
	<author>megabunny</author>
	<datestamp>1262702340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I get free coffee, did at last job too

MB</htmltext>
<tokenext>I get free coffee , did at last job too MB</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I get free coffee, did at last job too

MB</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655410</id>
	<title>Re:Fewer 'perks' please?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262709660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If your laptop really *never gets used*, just use it for personal use. Install whatever you want on it. If you ever need to return it, format or uninstall or make it have an "accident" or whatever you need to do. Now it's a free personal laptop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If your laptop really * never gets used * , just use it for personal use .
Install whatever you want on it .
If you ever need to return it , format or uninstall or make it have an " accident " or whatever you need to do .
Now it 's a free personal laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If your laptop really *never gets used*, just use it for personal use.
Install whatever you want on it.
If you ever need to return it, format or uninstall or make it have an "accident" or whatever you need to do.
Now it's a free personal laptop.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654916</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654964</id>
	<title>Get a union.</title>
	<author>mantis2009</author>
	<datestamp>1262707680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unionized workers have more benefits.  Period.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unionized workers have more benefits .
Period .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unionized workers have more benefits.
Period.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655494</id>
	<title>Re:Fewer 'perks' please?</title>
	<author>tsstahl</author>
	<datestamp>1262710020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you venture out from under the bridge, you'll find that most other people you share the planet with are naturally social beings.
<br> <br>
By all means, return your unused assets to the department.  Around here a contemporary laptop is like gold and could probably be bartered for sexual favors.
<br> <br>
I suppose in some places the coffee machines are expensive cost centers.  However in the vast majority of places I have worked, consulted, and visited, the coffee machine is hardly ever a single step up from the two burner Bunn.  The budget for coffee in my entire department is $2500.00 for the year.  Our supplier gave us the machine on a free lease basis as long as we buy the supplies from them.  Oh, lest I forget, the budget figure also includes water for the cooler, creamer, sugar, and eco friendly wooden stir sticks.
<br> <br>
In return for that 2500 bucks, the company gets camaraderie, stimulated staff, and a place where people can go and destress for a few minutes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you venture out from under the bridge , you 'll find that most other people you share the planet with are naturally social beings .
By all means , return your unused assets to the department .
Around here a contemporary laptop is like gold and could probably be bartered for sexual favors .
I suppose in some places the coffee machines are expensive cost centers .
However in the vast majority of places I have worked , consulted , and visited , the coffee machine is hardly ever a single step up from the two burner Bunn .
The budget for coffee in my entire department is $ 2500.00 for the year .
Our supplier gave us the machine on a free lease basis as long as we buy the supplies from them .
Oh , lest I forget , the budget figure also includes water for the cooler , creamer , sugar , and eco friendly wooden stir sticks .
In return for that 2500 bucks , the company gets camaraderie , stimulated staff , and a place where people can go and destress for a few minutes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you venture out from under the bridge, you'll find that most other people you share the planet with are naturally social beings.
By all means, return your unused assets to the department.
Around here a contemporary laptop is like gold and could probably be bartered for sexual favors.
I suppose in some places the coffee machines are expensive cost centers.
However in the vast majority of places I have worked, consulted, and visited, the coffee machine is hardly ever a single step up from the two burner Bunn.
The budget for coffee in my entire department is $2500.00 for the year.
Our supplier gave us the machine on a free lease basis as long as we buy the supplies from them.
Oh, lest I forget, the budget figure also includes water for the cooler, creamer, sugar, and eco friendly wooden stir sticks.
In return for that 2500 bucks, the company gets camaraderie, stimulated staff, and a place where people can go and destress for a few minutes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654916</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30659078</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1262723160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>C'mon the company does not exist to serve you, you exist to work for them</i></p><p>I don't exist to work, I work to exist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>C'mon the company does not exist to serve you , you exist to work for themI do n't exist to work , I work to exist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>C'mon the company does not exist to serve you, you exist to work for themI don't exist to work, I work to exist.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654872</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654688</id>
	<title>Re:I wish they would</title>
	<author>der\_joachim</author>
	<datestamp>1262706480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>At the shitehole where I work I bought myself a jar of Nescafe instant, because the <i>free</i> coffee is even worse!</htmltext>
<tokenext>At the shitehole where I work I bought myself a jar of Nescafe instant , because the free coffee is even worse !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the shitehole where I work I bought myself a jar of Nescafe instant, because the free coffee is even worse!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654600</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655010</id>
	<title>The coffee will come back</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1262707920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Coffee produces proven improvements in productivity in the morning. It's well worth the minuscule cost of providing it, especially since it is usually shit (although you can actually get good coffee for the same price, or less. very sad.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Coffee produces proven improvements in productivity in the morning .
It 's well worth the minuscule cost of providing it , especially since it is usually shit ( although you can actually get good coffee for the same price , or less .
very sad .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Coffee produces proven improvements in productivity in the morning.
It's well worth the minuscule cost of providing it, especially since it is usually shit (although you can actually get good coffee for the same price, or less.
very sad.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655602</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262710380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You bring up an interesting question I often ask my friends relating to both politics &amp; business.  How should the people in charge behave and treat their employees / citizens?</p><p>1) What they feel is best for the company / country / citizens (may not be what employees, shareholders, or citizens want, but they are elected / promoted to these positions because their judgement is valued).</p><p>2)  What the shareholders / citizens want (may not be what is best since they may not know everything available).</p><p>3)  What is immediately the best option for the citizens / shareholders (may destroy future worth).</p><p>Basically, who are they responsible to?  While a business is owned by the shareholders, is managements responsibility to said shareholders or to the employees they are overseeing? There is no "right" or "wrong" answer to this but the way a person views it gives a lot of insight into how they'll view other things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You bring up an interesting question I often ask my friends relating to both politics &amp; business .
How should the people in charge behave and treat their employees / citizens ? 1 ) What they feel is best for the company / country / citizens ( may not be what employees , shareholders , or citizens want , but they are elected / promoted to these positions because their judgement is valued ) .2 ) What the shareholders / citizens want ( may not be what is best since they may not know everything available ) .3 ) What is immediately the best option for the citizens / shareholders ( may destroy future worth ) .Basically , who are they responsible to ?
While a business is owned by the shareholders , is managements responsibility to said shareholders or to the employees they are overseeing ?
There is no " right " or " wrong " answer to this but the way a person views it gives a lot of insight into how they 'll view other things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You bring up an interesting question I often ask my friends relating to both politics &amp; business.
How should the people in charge behave and treat their employees / citizens?1) What they feel is best for the company / country / citizens (may not be what employees, shareholders, or citizens want, but they are elected / promoted to these positions because their judgement is valued).2)  What the shareholders / citizens want (may not be what is best since they may not know everything available).3)  What is immediately the best option for the citizens / shareholders (may destroy future worth).Basically, who are they responsible to?
While a business is owned by the shareholders, is managements responsibility to said shareholders or to the employees they are overseeing?
There is no "right" or "wrong" answer to this but the way a person views it gives a lot of insight into how they'll view other things.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654872</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655194</id>
	<title>Bureaucracy everlasting</title>
	<author>rumblin'rabbit</author>
	<datestamp>1262708760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><em>Many employers say they're going to continue trimming budgets, particularly in human resources.</em>
<br> <br>
When I read this I thought "Hot damn, they're going to turf a layer or two of HR personnel. Bout time someone put those useless, meddling bastards up against the wall."
<br> <br>
But no. The writer meant get rid of bonuses and perks. Life is ephemeral, bureaucracy everlasting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Many employers say they 're going to continue trimming budgets , particularly in human resources .
When I read this I thought " Hot damn , they 're going to turf a layer or two of HR personnel .
Bout time someone put those useless , meddling bastards up against the wall .
" But no .
The writer meant get rid of bonuses and perks .
Life is ephemeral , bureaucracy everlasting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many employers say they're going to continue trimming budgets, particularly in human resources.
When I read this I thought "Hot damn, they're going to turf a layer or two of HR personnel.
Bout time someone put those useless, meddling bastards up against the wall.
"
 
But no.
The writer meant get rid of bonuses and perks.
Life is ephemeral, bureaucracy everlasting.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654616</id>
	<title>As long as they...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262706180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... don't take away the Hot Coffee, I'm fine with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... do n't take away the Hot Coffee , I 'm fine with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... don't take away the Hot Coffee, I'm fine with it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30666486</id>
	<title>Re: quality of life at the workplace</title>
	<author>Douglas Goodall</author>
	<datestamp>1262808240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Back when I had Goodall Computer Systems on 24th Street in San Francisco, I kept the freezer stocked with Jamaican Blue Mountain beans for the employees. I admit it was a little extreme, but the employees looked forward to coffee time, and knew I valued their work. Those were good times I remember fondly. Later when the company was run by an anal bean-counter, work was no longer fun. I guess it is what you value. If every penny is counted, and paper clips are inventoried weekly, that is going to be less fun. When there is a liberal supply of colored sharpies and tapeflags, it makes me happy. Each person finds satisfaction at work in different ways. If management wants software engineers to be exempt, and work 60 hours a week, the free coffee helps a lot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Back when I had Goodall Computer Systems on 24th Street in San Francisco , I kept the freezer stocked with Jamaican Blue Mountain beans for the employees .
I admit it was a little extreme , but the employees looked forward to coffee time , and knew I valued their work .
Those were good times I remember fondly .
Later when the company was run by an anal bean-counter , work was no longer fun .
I guess it is what you value .
If every penny is counted , and paper clips are inventoried weekly , that is going to be less fun .
When there is a liberal supply of colored sharpies and tapeflags , it makes me happy .
Each person finds satisfaction at work in different ways .
If management wants software engineers to be exempt , and work 60 hours a week , the free coffee helps a lot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back when I had Goodall Computer Systems on 24th Street in San Francisco, I kept the freezer stocked with Jamaican Blue Mountain beans for the employees.
I admit it was a little extreme, but the employees looked forward to coffee time, and knew I valued their work.
Those were good times I remember fondly.
Later when the company was run by an anal bean-counter, work was no longer fun.
I guess it is what you value.
If every penny is counted, and paper clips are inventoried weekly, that is going to be less fun.
When there is a liberal supply of colored sharpies and tapeflags, it makes me happy.
Each person finds satisfaction at work in different ways.
If management wants software engineers to be exempt, and work 60 hours a week, the free coffee helps a lot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655758</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30661054</id>
	<title>Re:Fewer 'perks' please?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262687820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...having your own coffee pot is strictly against the contract the cafe has with the building.</p></div><p>Your company/building has a contract, but <em>you</em> don't.  Wait for a sale on one of those single-cup coffee makers.  Keep it in a locked cabinet/desk drawer between cups.  Based on your costs, you should break even in under two months.  Worst case, you get a reprimand from your boss - unless maybe you cut him in on the action.  For hot tea drinkers, there are similar devices to dispense hot water by the cup.</p><p>For soda drinkers, maybe those plastic freezer ice packs and soft-sided coolers sound like the way to go.  Wait for a sale on soda in the stores, then buy in bulk for around $0.14 per can.  Bring in as many as needed for the day.</p><p>If those ideas aren't tenable for whatever reasons, organize a boycott.  Everybody drinks only water at work for 6 months or however many it takes.  Chip in on a few Pur or Brita filter pitchers if the tap water is bad.  If boycotting cafeteria drinks is insufficient, boycott it entirely - everybody brings sack lunches.  Even if a few people backslide now and then, it should send an effective message.</p><p>BTW, the pricing you've quoted is ridiculous.  I've seen better vending machine prices on hotel floors.  Odds are, the prices are as high as they are because your employer gets a cut of the profit.  If that's the case, your negotiating position is worse than you think.</p><p>- T</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...having your own coffee pot is strictly against the contract the cafe has with the building.Your company/building has a contract , but you do n't .
Wait for a sale on one of those single-cup coffee makers .
Keep it in a locked cabinet/desk drawer between cups .
Based on your costs , you should break even in under two months .
Worst case , you get a reprimand from your boss - unless maybe you cut him in on the action .
For hot tea drinkers , there are similar devices to dispense hot water by the cup.For soda drinkers , maybe those plastic freezer ice packs and soft-sided coolers sound like the way to go .
Wait for a sale on soda in the stores , then buy in bulk for around $ 0.14 per can .
Bring in as many as needed for the day.If those ideas are n't tenable for whatever reasons , organize a boycott .
Everybody drinks only water at work for 6 months or however many it takes .
Chip in on a few Pur or Brita filter pitchers if the tap water is bad .
If boycotting cafeteria drinks is insufficient , boycott it entirely - everybody brings sack lunches .
Even if a few people backslide now and then , it should send an effective message.BTW , the pricing you 've quoted is ridiculous .
I 've seen better vending machine prices on hotel floors .
Odds are , the prices are as high as they are because your employer gets a cut of the profit .
If that 's the case , your negotiating position is worse than you think.- T</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...having your own coffee pot is strictly against the contract the cafe has with the building.Your company/building has a contract, but you don't.
Wait for a sale on one of those single-cup coffee makers.
Keep it in a locked cabinet/desk drawer between cups.
Based on your costs, you should break even in under two months.
Worst case, you get a reprimand from your boss - unless maybe you cut him in on the action.
For hot tea drinkers, there are similar devices to dispense hot water by the cup.For soda drinkers, maybe those plastic freezer ice packs and soft-sided coolers sound like the way to go.
Wait for a sale on soda in the stores, then buy in bulk for around $0.14 per can.
Bring in as many as needed for the day.If those ideas aren't tenable for whatever reasons, organize a boycott.
Everybody drinks only water at work for 6 months or however many it takes.
Chip in on a few Pur or Brita filter pitchers if the tap water is bad.
If boycotting cafeteria drinks is insufficient, boycott it entirely - everybody brings sack lunches.
Even if a few people backslide now and then, it should send an effective message.BTW, the pricing you've quoted is ridiculous.
I've seen better vending machine prices on hotel floors.
Odds are, the prices are as high as they are because your employer gets a cut of the profit.
If that's the case, your negotiating position is worse than you think.- T
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654600</id>
	<title>I wish they would</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262706120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>At the shitehole where I work the <i>free</i> coffee is bloody Nescafe instant.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At the shitehole where I work the free coffee is bloody Nescafe instant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the shitehole where I work the free coffee is bloody Nescafe instant.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30657172</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1262715780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In other words, while wages are an expense, employees themselves are an asset.</p><p>Maybe they should be accounted for as such.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In other words , while wages are an expense , employees themselves are an asset.Maybe they should be accounted for as such .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other words, while wages are an expense, employees themselves are an asset.Maybe they should be accounted for as such.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655802</id>
	<title>Change your focus</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262711100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe you are in the wrong sector of IT.</p><p>My job --&gt; Identify, evaluate and remove corporate waste with through system integration\migration coupled with automated process engineering (workflow).</p><p>I drink coffee at home.</p><p>Sr. Software Engineer - 28yrs Exp.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe you are in the wrong sector of IT.My job -- &gt; Identify , evaluate and remove corporate waste with through system integration \ migration coupled with automated process engineering ( workflow ) .I drink coffee at home.Sr .
Software Engineer - 28yrs Exp .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe you are in the wrong sector of IT.My job --&gt; Identify, evaluate and remove corporate waste with through system integration\migration coupled with automated process engineering (workflow).I drink coffee at home.Sr.
Software Engineer - 28yrs Exp.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30656202</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262712540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the grandparent poster was making a joke, I have a hard time parsing that as anything but sarcasm......</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the grandparent poster was making a joke , I have a hard time parsing that as anything but sarcasm..... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the grandparent poster was making a joke, I have a hard time parsing that as anything but sarcasm......</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30666998</id>
	<title>Re:the school district model</title>
	<author>cthulhu11</author>
	<datestamp>1262771880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In these parts, I suspect that these days few workers would be caught dead drinking office coffee, favoring the daily ritual of going to a coffee shop and competing to see who can use the most words to order their $5 coffee drink.</p><p>Mind you, I can't stand coffee and haven't worked in an office in ten years, but I can extrapolate based on my wife<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In these parts , I suspect that these days few workers would be caught dead drinking office coffee , favoring the daily ritual of going to a coffee shop and competing to see who can use the most words to order their $ 5 coffee drink.Mind you , I ca n't stand coffee and have n't worked in an office in ten years , but I can extrapolate based on my wife : D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In these parts, I suspect that these days few workers would be caught dead drinking office coffee, favoring the daily ritual of going to a coffee shop and competing to see who can use the most words to order their $5 coffee drink.Mind you, I can't stand coffee and haven't worked in an office in ten years, but I can extrapolate based on my wife :D</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30664484</id>
	<title>Re:Fewer 'perks' please?</title>
	<author>msobkow</author>
	<datestamp>1262705100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Free coffee: I don't care. It's nice if it's there, but it's such a minor issue that if they want to save the shockingly huge amount of money that goes into rent and support of these machines, by all means do so, I'm not going to work less hard if I have to buy my own drinks.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Apparently you've not noticed that it costs $5-10/day to buy coffee at a coffee shop or other takeout joint, plus the lost productivity, vs. the $5-10/WEEK it costs to chip in to a "coffee club" at work.
</p><p>
The sad thing is I've worked for companies who signed "exclusive" provider deals with cafeteria companies, making it <i>illegal</i> to run coffee clubs in the office.  Even sadder were the places that claimed coffee machines are a "hazard" and therefore not allowed on the floors.
</p><p>
The most disgusting I ran across was one company that allowed smokers to take breaks whenever they wanted, but only allowed one coffee break in the morning and afternoon.  Why?  3/4 of the managers smoked.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Free coffee : I do n't care .
It 's nice if it 's there , but it 's such a minor issue that if they want to save the shockingly huge amount of money that goes into rent and support of these machines , by all means do so , I 'm not going to work less hard if I have to buy my own drinks .
Apparently you 've not noticed that it costs $ 5-10/day to buy coffee at a coffee shop or other takeout joint , plus the lost productivity , vs. the $ 5-10/WEEK it costs to chip in to a " coffee club " at work .
The sad thing is I 've worked for companies who signed " exclusive " provider deals with cafeteria companies , making it illegal to run coffee clubs in the office .
Even sadder were the places that claimed coffee machines are a " hazard " and therefore not allowed on the floors .
The most disgusting I ran across was one company that allowed smokers to take breaks whenever they wanted , but only allowed one coffee break in the morning and afternoon .
Why ? 3/4 of the managers smoked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Free coffee: I don't care.
It's nice if it's there, but it's such a minor issue that if they want to save the shockingly huge amount of money that goes into rent and support of these machines, by all means do so, I'm not going to work less hard if I have to buy my own drinks.
Apparently you've not noticed that it costs $5-10/day to buy coffee at a coffee shop or other takeout joint, plus the lost productivity, vs. the $5-10/WEEK it costs to chip in to a "coffee club" at work.
The sad thing is I've worked for companies who signed "exclusive" provider deals with cafeteria companies, making it illegal to run coffee clubs in the office.
Even sadder were the places that claimed coffee machines are a "hazard" and therefore not allowed on the floors.
The most disgusting I ran across was one company that allowed smokers to take breaks whenever they wanted, but only allowed one coffee break in the morning and afternoon.
Why?  3/4 of the managers smoked.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655920</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>rAiNsT0rm</author>
	<datestamp>1262711640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been working in IT since I was 15 years old, and have never expected anything... even during the big dot com boom. Any bonuses have been appreciated, except in cases where they were part of hire conditions. There are only two things that *I* expect. 1. That I be treated as a professional and part of a team 2. When I have an issue or problem, that it be dealt with with the same care and precision I offer everyone else in my work. A third, I guess, would be that I am given a yearly percentage increase to at the least match inflation.</p><p>Sadly, in my career in IT my very minimum expectations are very often not met. It's not about perks or coffee, it is the view that we are somehow different than accounting, purchasing, or any other department. We aren't. And if we are so different and essential, then those minimum expectations should be even more minor...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been working in IT since I was 15 years old , and have never expected anything... even during the big dot com boom .
Any bonuses have been appreciated , except in cases where they were part of hire conditions .
There are only two things that * I * expect .
1. That I be treated as a professional and part of a team 2 .
When I have an issue or problem , that it be dealt with with the same care and precision I offer everyone else in my work .
A third , I guess , would be that I am given a yearly percentage increase to at the least match inflation.Sadly , in my career in IT my very minimum expectations are very often not met .
It 's not about perks or coffee , it is the view that we are somehow different than accounting , purchasing , or any other department .
We are n't .
And if we are so different and essential , then those minimum expectations should be even more minor.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been working in IT since I was 15 years old, and have never expected anything... even during the big dot com boom.
Any bonuses have been appreciated, except in cases where they were part of hire conditions.
There are only two things that *I* expect.
1. That I be treated as a professional and part of a team 2.
When I have an issue or problem, that it be dealt with with the same care and precision I offer everyone else in my work.
A third, I guess, would be that I am given a yearly percentage increase to at the least match inflation.Sadly, in my career in IT my very minimum expectations are very often not met.
It's not about perks or coffee, it is the view that we are somehow different than accounting, purchasing, or any other department.
We aren't.
And if we are so different and essential, then those minimum expectations should be even more minor...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30658332</id>
	<title>I would list my job conditions</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1262719920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But that would be mean.
</p><p>It is funny, whenever you ask an American about their life style, they claim it is the highest in the world, that nobody got it as good as them.
</p><p>So please explain, what is so good about living like this? The hope that one day you will make it big? Amazing really. I honestly had this conversation with an American who worked 80 or so hours a week, so did his wife but they had this GREAT house with a big luxury home cinema setup... it never really entered his mind why I found it odd he wanted this,  as I talked to him in Arnhem (holland) where he was stationed in an decent hotel but still a hotel for over a year now with only a short holiday around Christmas...
</p><p>Anyway, if you are contracting don't you just put all the expenses like medical benefits in your hourly rate? Or do you actually think it is smart to contract for the same hourly wage that regular workers make? That doesn't sound like a long term plan.
</p><p>Sing along now:
</p><p>All I am saying, is give socialism a chance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But that would be mean .
It is funny , whenever you ask an American about their life style , they claim it is the highest in the world , that nobody got it as good as them .
So please explain , what is so good about living like this ?
The hope that one day you will make it big ?
Amazing really .
I honestly had this conversation with an American who worked 80 or so hours a week , so did his wife but they had this GREAT house with a big luxury home cinema setup... it never really entered his mind why I found it odd he wanted this , as I talked to him in Arnhem ( holland ) where he was stationed in an decent hotel but still a hotel for over a year now with only a short holiday around Christmas.. . Anyway , if you are contracting do n't you just put all the expenses like medical benefits in your hourly rate ?
Or do you actually think it is smart to contract for the same hourly wage that regular workers make ?
That does n't sound like a long term plan .
Sing along now : All I am saying , is give socialism a chance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But that would be mean.
It is funny, whenever you ask an American about their life style, they claim it is the highest in the world, that nobody got it as good as them.
So please explain, what is so good about living like this?
The hope that one day you will make it big?
Amazing really.
I honestly had this conversation with an American who worked 80 or so hours a week, so did his wife but they had this GREAT house with a big luxury home cinema setup... it never really entered his mind why I found it odd he wanted this,  as I talked to him in Arnhem (holland) where he was stationed in an decent hotel but still a hotel for over a year now with only a short holiday around Christmas...
Anyway, if you are contracting don't you just put all the expenses like medical benefits in your hourly rate?
Or do you actually think it is smart to contract for the same hourly wage that regular workers make?
That doesn't sound like a long term plan.
Sing along now:
All I am saying, is give socialism a chance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655162</id>
	<title>I hope they're replacing the free coffee</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1262708580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>with free Adderall.</p><p>Otherwise productivity is going to plummet...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>with free Adderall.Otherwise productivity is going to plummet.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>with free Adderall.Otherwise productivity is going to plummet...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30658130</id>
	<title>Sounds like genius</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262719020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, this reminds me of another brilliant idea.  Let's only hire inexperienced developers, network engineers, DBAs, and sysadmins.  We'll save thousands of dollars a year on their salaries!  Then, when the company implodes into the black hole created by an overwhelming mass of incompetence, executives can use their golden parachutes to land at a new company and do it all over again.  Genius!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , this reminds me of another brilliant idea .
Let 's only hire inexperienced developers , network engineers , DBAs , and sysadmins .
We 'll save thousands of dollars a year on their salaries !
Then , when the company implodes into the black hole created by an overwhelming mass of incompetence , executives can use their golden parachutes to land at a new company and do it all over again .
Genius !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, this reminds me of another brilliant idea.
Let's only hire inexperienced developers, network engineers, DBAs, and sysadmins.
We'll save thousands of dollars a year on their salaries!
Then, when the company implodes into the black hole created by an overwhelming mass of incompetence, executives can use their golden parachutes to land at a new company and do it all over again.
Genius!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30661764</id>
	<title>Re:No Coffee = No Code</title>
	<author>aonic</author>
	<datestamp>1262690820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An engineering grad student is a machine that converts booze into code.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An engineering grad student is a machine that converts booze into code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An engineering grad student is a machine that converts booze into code.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655608</id>
	<title>Overtime Pay</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262710380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you review the federal pay laws, most computer based jobs don't receive overtime pay.  They call it salaried but states are losing revenue as well as the feds for enacting such an insane law.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you review the federal pay laws , most computer based jobs do n't receive overtime pay .
They call it salaried but states are losing revenue as well as the feds for enacting such an insane law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you review the federal pay laws, most computer based jobs don't receive overtime pay.
They call it salaried but states are losing revenue as well as the feds for enacting such an insane law.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30669754</id>
	<title>Re:A simple cost vs benefit analysis</title>
	<author>garwain</author>
	<datestamp>1262794620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cost is not a linear function. Buying for 10,000 employees would be a hell of a lot cheaper per employee than buying for 20. A little careful shopping, and you could have a good supplier delivering the supplies for the coffee maker, and offering a huge discount for the volume you are purchasing.

I've worked as a purcahsing co-ordincator for a few companys, one that had a total of 4 employees. For them, the caffeteria shopping involved one employee stopping at the convenience store once a week, and getting 2 bottles of water for the water cooler, one tin of coffee, and one carton of milk, then handing in the receipt. Another company had 180 employees in 3 locations, working 3 shifts. I got deals with both a major coffee distributer and a water distributer, where they delivered right into the caffeteria at each site, sent a bill the the head office every month, and thanked us regularly for our loyalty. That company was paying about 1/3 the cost per employee for stocking the caffeterias as the small one. Another site I worked at had  vending machines on site, and after checking, I found I was spending close to $5 a day on coffee, where the company would have been paying closer to $1.50 for me to have consumed the same.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cost is not a linear function .
Buying for 10,000 employees would be a hell of a lot cheaper per employee than buying for 20 .
A little careful shopping , and you could have a good supplier delivering the supplies for the coffee maker , and offering a huge discount for the volume you are purchasing .
I 've worked as a purcahsing co-ordincator for a few companys , one that had a total of 4 employees .
For them , the caffeteria shopping involved one employee stopping at the convenience store once a week , and getting 2 bottles of water for the water cooler , one tin of coffee , and one carton of milk , then handing in the receipt .
Another company had 180 employees in 3 locations , working 3 shifts .
I got deals with both a major coffee distributer and a water distributer , where they delivered right into the caffeteria at each site , sent a bill the the head office every month , and thanked us regularly for our loyalty .
That company was paying about 1/3 the cost per employee for stocking the caffeterias as the small one .
Another site I worked at had vending machines on site , and after checking , I found I was spending close to $ 5 a day on coffee , where the company would have been paying closer to $ 1.50 for me to have consumed the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cost is not a linear function.
Buying for 10,000 employees would be a hell of a lot cheaper per employee than buying for 20.
A little careful shopping, and you could have a good supplier delivering the supplies for the coffee maker, and offering a huge discount for the volume you are purchasing.
I've worked as a purcahsing co-ordincator for a few companys, one that had a total of 4 employees.
For them, the caffeteria shopping involved one employee stopping at the convenience store once a week, and getting 2 bottles of water for the water cooler, one tin of coffee, and one carton of milk, then handing in the receipt.
Another company had 180 employees in 3 locations, working 3 shifts.
I got deals with both a major coffee distributer and a water distributer, where they delivered right into the caffeteria at each site, sent a bill the the head office every month, and thanked us regularly for our loyalty.
That company was paying about 1/3 the cost per employee for stocking the caffeterias as the small one.
Another site I worked at had  vending machines on site, and after checking, I found I was spending close to $5 a day on coffee, where the company would have been paying closer to $1.50 for me to have consumed the same.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655516</id>
	<title>No more coffee?  Finally!</title>
	<author>Asylumn</author>
	<datestamp>1262710080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Taking away the free coffee in my office would be considered a benefit.  An act of mercy, really.

It is a vile substance that resembles coffee in name only.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Taking away the free coffee in my office would be considered a benefit .
An act of mercy , really .
It is a vile substance that resembles coffee in name only .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Taking away the free coffee in my office would be considered a benefit.
An act of mercy, really.
It is a vile substance that resembles coffee in name only.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30665904</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262716020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right, last few should be "Corporation" not "Company".</p><p>OTOH, productivity caused by coffee is difficult to measure.  Cost savings are easy to measure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right , last few should be " Corporation " not " Company " .OTOH , productivity caused by coffee is difficult to measure .
Cost savings are easy to measure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right, last few should be "Corporation" not "Company".OTOH, productivity caused by coffee is difficult to measure.
Cost savings are easy to measure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655250</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>jollyreaper</author>
	<datestamp>1262709000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Please.</p><p>You are at work to work, you are not at work to read slashdot and gmail.</p></div><p>Mr. Pot, allow me to introduce you to Mr. Kettle.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please.You are at work to work , you are not at work to read slashdot and gmail.Mr .
Pot , allow me to introduce you to Mr. Kettle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please.You are at work to work, you are not at work to read slashdot and gmail.Mr.
Pot, allow me to introduce you to Mr. Kettle.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655036</id>
	<title>If I didn't</title>
	<author>Stargoat</author>
	<datestamp>1262708040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I didn't have free coffee with unlimited and unfiltered access to the Internet at work, I would need to find another job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I did n't have free coffee with unlimited and unfiltered access to the Internet at work , I would need to find another job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I didn't have free coffee with unlimited and unfiltered access to the Internet at work, I would need to find another job.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30657822</id>
	<title>Re:the school district model</title>
	<author>ubrgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1262717880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And as a diuretic it gives new meaning to the term, "zip and ship."</htmltext>
<tokenext>And as a diuretic it gives new meaning to the term , " zip and ship .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And as a diuretic it gives new meaning to the term, "zip and ship.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30656232</id>
	<title>Re:When did coffee become so expensive?</title>
	<author>Kozz</author>
	<datestamp>1262712660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When did coffee become so expensive?</p></div><p>Here's some outrage for you... my employer installed expensive coffee equipment in our cafe about two years ago.  You know, so you can walk up and order a cappucino, espresso, or whatever all those other fancy flavored coffees -- their own little Starbucks (yay! [/sarcasm]).  I can't begin to imagine the thousands and thousands our CEO spent on the equipment and labor installing the 10ft corian countertop / work area holding all the coffee equipment plus complete plumbing, etc., not to mention maintenance.  I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen someone order a "fancy" coffee (posted prices vary from $2.50 to $4.50USD).</p><p>And they continue to maintain the equipment, but most of the labor goes towards filling the four to six carafes with "regular" black coffee that most everyone drinks heavily and -- you guessed it -- is free.</p><p>Just had to get that off my chest.  When our CEO teams up with HR, only bad things can happen.  Ask me another time about how my super health-oriented employer increased costs of burgers &amp; fried foods to subsidize the low, low prices on the salad bar.  *sigh*</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When did coffee become so expensive ? Here 's some outrage for you... my employer installed expensive coffee equipment in our cafe about two years ago .
You know , so you can walk up and order a cappucino , espresso , or whatever all those other fancy flavored coffees -- their own little Starbucks ( yay !
[ /sarcasm ] ) . I ca n't begin to imagine the thousands and thousands our CEO spent on the equipment and labor installing the 10ft corian countertop / work area holding all the coffee equipment plus complete plumbing , etc. , not to mention maintenance .
I can count on one hand the number of times I 've seen someone order a " fancy " coffee ( posted prices vary from $ 2.50 to $ 4.50USD ) .And they continue to maintain the equipment , but most of the labor goes towards filling the four to six carafes with " regular " black coffee that most everyone drinks heavily and -- you guessed it -- is free.Just had to get that off my chest .
When our CEO teams up with HR , only bad things can happen .
Ask me another time about how my super health-oriented employer increased costs of burgers &amp; fried foods to subsidize the low , low prices on the salad bar .
* sigh *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When did coffee become so expensive?Here's some outrage for you... my employer installed expensive coffee equipment in our cafe about two years ago.
You know, so you can walk up and order a cappucino, espresso, or whatever all those other fancy flavored coffees -- their own little Starbucks (yay!
[/sarcasm]).  I can't begin to imagine the thousands and thousands our CEO spent on the equipment and labor installing the 10ft corian countertop / work area holding all the coffee equipment plus complete plumbing, etc., not to mention maintenance.
I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen someone order a "fancy" coffee (posted prices vary from $2.50 to $4.50USD).And they continue to maintain the equipment, but most of the labor goes towards filling the four to six carafes with "regular" black coffee that most everyone drinks heavily and -- you guessed it -- is free.Just had to get that off my chest.
When our CEO teams up with HR, only bad things can happen.
Ask me another time about how my super health-oriented employer increased costs of burgers &amp; fried foods to subsidize the low, low prices on the salad bar.
*sigh*
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30658944</id>
	<title>B and S</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262722440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IF they were so up tight about cutting costs why not cut $4000+ annually by not buying sales reps and executives gym memberships, green fees, and other "networking essentials". The $500 they spend on Folgers coffee annually is rather spurious since dozens if not hundreds of staff members can at least enjoy a cup of coffee. This cost cutting is bullshit every time. The first bonuses to go are at the bottom, the last ones to go are at the top. When I go to a staff meeting, there is work to be done. When senior management goes to a meeting, there's bottled water, soda, coffee, Di' Amico catered lunch, EVERY FUCKING WEEK. Absolute bullshit every time. It just another measure to drive people out of IT so they can leverage a self-created job shortage to exploit cheap labor. Nothing like pioneering the digital sweat shop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IF they were so up tight about cutting costs why not cut $ 4000 + annually by not buying sales reps and executives gym memberships , green fees , and other " networking essentials " .
The $ 500 they spend on Folgers coffee annually is rather spurious since dozens if not hundreds of staff members can at least enjoy a cup of coffee .
This cost cutting is bullshit every time .
The first bonuses to go are at the bottom , the last ones to go are at the top .
When I go to a staff meeting , there is work to be done .
When senior management goes to a meeting , there 's bottled water , soda , coffee , Di ' Amico catered lunch , EVERY FUCKING WEEK .
Absolute bullshit every time .
It just another measure to drive people out of IT so they can leverage a self-created job shortage to exploit cheap labor .
Nothing like pioneering the digital sweat shop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IF they were so up tight about cutting costs why not cut $4000+ annually by not buying sales reps and executives gym memberships, green fees, and other "networking essentials".
The $500 they spend on Folgers coffee annually is rather spurious since dozens if not hundreds of staff members can at least enjoy a cup of coffee.
This cost cutting is bullshit every time.
The first bonuses to go are at the bottom, the last ones to go are at the top.
When I go to a staff meeting, there is work to be done.
When senior management goes to a meeting, there's bottled water, soda, coffee, Di' Amico catered lunch, EVERY FUCKING WEEK.
Absolute bullshit every time.
It just another measure to drive people out of IT so they can leverage a self-created job shortage to exploit cheap labor.
Nothing like pioneering the digital sweat shop.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30657324</id>
	<title>The Fate of Coffee</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1262716320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>shut off the free coffee (it wasn't that good anyway)</p></div><p>Bad coffee is just an intermediate step. I worked at one Big Dot Com 11 years ago where the free coffee was Peet's, with the beans ground just before brewing. Came back to the same BDC 3 years ago, and they'd switched to the Sara Lee Coffee Service, which provides coffee not quite as good as what you get at a seedy donut shop. Then they replaced that with this obscene little single-serving dispenser that "brewed" something about as drinkable as instant.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>shut off the free coffee ( it was n't that good anyway ) Bad coffee is just an intermediate step .
I worked at one Big Dot Com 11 years ago where the free coffee was Peet 's , with the beans ground just before brewing .
Came back to the same BDC 3 years ago , and they 'd switched to the Sara Lee Coffee Service , which provides coffee not quite as good as what you get at a seedy donut shop .
Then they replaced that with this obscene little single-serving dispenser that " brewed " something about as drinkable as instant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>shut off the free coffee (it wasn't that good anyway)Bad coffee is just an intermediate step.
I worked at one Big Dot Com 11 years ago where the free coffee was Peet's, with the beans ground just before brewing.
Came back to the same BDC 3 years ago, and they'd switched to the Sara Lee Coffee Service, which provides coffee not quite as good as what you get at a seedy donut shop.
Then they replaced that with this obscene little single-serving dispenser that "brewed" something about as drinkable as instant.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654928</id>
	<title>False economy</title>
	<author>DrXym</author>
	<datestamp>1262707500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I used to work in a place where if you worked on you got a free meal in the canteen. People used to work 2 or 3 hours extra and all for the price of a meal. They cut out the practice and guess what the result was?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to work in a place where if you worked on you got a free meal in the canteen .
People used to work 2 or 3 hours extra and all for the price of a meal .
They cut out the practice and guess what the result was ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to work in a place where if you worked on you got a free meal in the canteen.
People used to work 2 or 3 hours extra and all for the price of a meal.
They cut out the practice and guess what the result was?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30663144</id>
	<title>Re:No worries about the coffee:</title>
	<author>rich\_r</author>
	<datestamp>1262697360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or you could buy one designed to bolt right <a href="http://www.canford.co.uk/Products/13-024\_CANFORD-FRIDGE-Rackmount-13U" title="canford.co.uk" rel="nofollow">in!</a> [canford.co.uk]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or you could buy one designed to bolt right in !
[ canford.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or you could buy one designed to bolt right in!
[canford.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655374</id>
	<title>At my three letter named firm</title>
	<author>gelfling</author>
	<datestamp>1262709480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We're on year 10 or 11 of the obligatory "Business is GRRRRREEAAAAATTT!, you have to do without and you should be thrilled you have a job at all..." speech. My career plan is mostly made up of planning to listen to management about the importance of career planning. They stopped paying for training years ago, they don't pay for annual certificate membership dues, they don't even pay for broadband for at-home workers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 're on year 10 or 11 of the obligatory " Business is GRRRRREEAAAAATTT ! , you have to do without and you should be thrilled you have a job at all... " speech .
My career plan is mostly made up of planning to listen to management about the importance of career planning .
They stopped paying for training years ago , they do n't pay for annual certificate membership dues , they do n't even pay for broadband for at-home workers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We're on year 10 or 11 of the obligatory "Business is GRRRRREEAAAAATTT!, you have to do without and you should be thrilled you have a job at all..." speech.
My career plan is mostly made up of planning to listen to management about the importance of career planning.
They stopped paying for training years ago, they don't pay for annual certificate membership dues, they don't even pay for broadband for at-home workers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655590</id>
	<title>Hills Brothers High Yield... ROTGUT</title>
	<author>buckeyeguy</author>
	<datestamp>1262710320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not sure what other places use, but the last 3 places I've worked all put this stuff (it may also be labeled HB Institutional or some such way)... 5 minutes on the burner and this stuff turns black as used motor oil. gaack.
<p>
I drink it anyway. It's free.
</p><p>Bennies taken away.... company phones are gone now. Comp time's all but dead. Don't get me started.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not sure what other places use , but the last 3 places I 've worked all put this stuff ( it may also be labeled HB Institutional or some such way ) ... 5 minutes on the burner and this stuff turns black as used motor oil .
gaack . I drink it anyway .
It 's free .
Bennies taken away.... company phones are gone now .
Comp time 's all but dead .
Do n't get me started .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not sure what other places use, but the last 3 places I've worked all put this stuff (it may also be labeled HB Institutional or some such way)... 5 minutes on the burner and this stuff turns black as used motor oil.
gaack.

I drink it anyway.
It's free.
Bennies taken away.... company phones are gone now.
Comp time's all but dead.
Don't get me started.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654830</id>
	<title>Re:the school district model</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262707080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure why I would complain about no free coffee...</p><p>My work never supplied that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure why I would complain about no free coffee...My work never supplied that : - (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure why I would complain about no free coffee...My work never supplied that :-(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655916</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>Sobrique</author>
	<datestamp>1262711640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, you're not. You're at work because it's a place you can be productive, and deliver value for your salary. Hours spent with nose pressed to grindstone do NOT correlate directly with productive output - Mr. Ford proved that, when he switched to a 40 hour, 5 day working week. <br>
The only jobs where time spent is directly proportional to work accomplished are the kind that involves putting stickers on boxes - e.g. not the kind where you have a net link in the first place.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , you 're not .
You 're at work because it 's a place you can be productive , and deliver value for your salary .
Hours spent with nose pressed to grindstone do NOT correlate directly with productive output - Mr. Ford proved that , when he switched to a 40 hour , 5 day working week .
The only jobs where time spent is directly proportional to work accomplished are the kind that involves putting stickers on boxes - e.g .
not the kind where you have a net link in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, you're not.
You're at work because it's a place you can be productive, and deliver value for your salary.
Hours spent with nose pressed to grindstone do NOT correlate directly with productive output - Mr. Ford proved that, when he switched to a 40 hour, 5 day working week.
The only jobs where time spent is directly proportional to work accomplished are the kind that involves putting stickers on boxes - e.g.
not the kind where you have a net link in the first place.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30662670</id>
	<title>Re:Fewer 'perks' please?</title>
	<author>Dhalka226</author>
	<datestamp>1262695260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't care whether or not a company offers free coffee if we're evaluating it on the basis of coffee.  The last place I worked on-site had a pretty hardcore one-cup coffee maker with all sorts of different varieties/flavors of coffee to choose from.  I brought my own.  They also had a water machine and soda available in the fridge, which I typically did take advantage of.  No big deal either way.

</p><p>That said, I would be worried about a company who used to offer it no longer doing so.  Are their profit margins really so thin that they have to cut an expense as small as coffee, with all the potential drawbacks that might entail?  It doesn't sound like a company in good financial condition, and as somebody who worked freelance at a place swirling the drain, I can tell you it has a MASSIVE effect on just about EVERYTHING.  (I think the company ultimately survived, though since I left I obviously have no idea what kind of financial shape they are in these days; whether they're back to a comfortable level or still struggling.)

</p><p>If a company never offered it to begin with, I suppose I wouldn't read into it one way or another.  As I said, it's not a big deal taken by itself -- only if you ask yourself what it might mean.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't care whether or not a company offers free coffee if we 're evaluating it on the basis of coffee .
The last place I worked on-site had a pretty hardcore one-cup coffee maker with all sorts of different varieties/flavors of coffee to choose from .
I brought my own .
They also had a water machine and soda available in the fridge , which I typically did take advantage of .
No big deal either way .
That said , I would be worried about a company who used to offer it no longer doing so .
Are their profit margins really so thin that they have to cut an expense as small as coffee , with all the potential drawbacks that might entail ?
It does n't sound like a company in good financial condition , and as somebody who worked freelance at a place swirling the drain , I can tell you it has a MASSIVE effect on just about EVERYTHING .
( I think the company ultimately survived , though since I left I obviously have no idea what kind of financial shape they are in these days ; whether they 're back to a comfortable level or still struggling .
) If a company never offered it to begin with , I suppose I would n't read into it one way or another .
As I said , it 's not a big deal taken by itself -- only if you ask yourself what it might mean .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't care whether or not a company offers free coffee if we're evaluating it on the basis of coffee.
The last place I worked on-site had a pretty hardcore one-cup coffee maker with all sorts of different varieties/flavors of coffee to choose from.
I brought my own.
They also had a water machine and soda available in the fridge, which I typically did take advantage of.
No big deal either way.
That said, I would be worried about a company who used to offer it no longer doing so.
Are their profit margins really so thin that they have to cut an expense as small as coffee, with all the potential drawbacks that might entail?
It doesn't sound like a company in good financial condition, and as somebody who worked freelance at a place swirling the drain, I can tell you it has a MASSIVE effect on just about EVERYTHING.
(I think the company ultimately survived, though since I left I obviously have no idea what kind of financial shape they are in these days; whether they're back to a comfortable level or still struggling.
)

If a company never offered it to begin with, I suppose I wouldn't read into it one way or another.
As I said, it's not a big deal taken by itself -- only if you ask yourself what it might mean.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655398</id>
	<title>Re:Fewer 'perks' please?</title>
	<author>SharpFang</author>
	<datestamp>1262709600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're wrong about company phone.<br>Company phone is what you switch off the moment your work hours end. You use it on business travels, you use it during rush and in case you promise to be catchable.<br>Private phone number is the one which you keep secret.</p><p>As for laptop, YMMV. If you're a field technician, your company laptop will be invaluable for you because it has what your work requires, not what you would buy for yourself.</p><p>Free coffee... only as long as I know the money they save on my coffee land in -my- pocket, not CEO's. Otherwise, I prefer to get the free coffee if I can. I worked where I had to buy my own and it really adds up if you count it over a year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're wrong about company phone.Company phone is what you switch off the moment your work hours end .
You use it on business travels , you use it during rush and in case you promise to be catchable.Private phone number is the one which you keep secret.As for laptop , YMMV .
If you 're a field technician , your company laptop will be invaluable for you because it has what your work requires , not what you would buy for yourself.Free coffee... only as long as I know the money they save on my coffee land in -my- pocket , not CEO 's .
Otherwise , I prefer to get the free coffee if I can .
I worked where I had to buy my own and it really adds up if you count it over a year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're wrong about company phone.Company phone is what you switch off the moment your work hours end.
You use it on business travels, you use it during rush and in case you promise to be catchable.Private phone number is the one which you keep secret.As for laptop, YMMV.
If you're a field technician, your company laptop will be invaluable for you because it has what your work requires, not what you would buy for yourself.Free coffee... only as long as I know the money they save on my coffee land in -my- pocket, not CEO's.
Otherwise, I prefer to get the free coffee if I can.
I worked where I had to buy my own and it really adds up if you count it over a year.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30659174</id>
	<title>Re:Get a union.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262723640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>hmmm</p><p>right they have the benefit of looking for a new job or continuing to pay a group of extortionist to keep their current one.</p><p>I will never join a union. Maybe that's because i am smart enough to negotiate my own contract.</p><p>If I loss my job at no fault of my own I have a years salary waiting for me. I have 100\% health coverage. I have a 3 week vacation.</p><p>I guess the job market is like life. If your smart enough to make yourself inherently valuable then you get to make the rules.</p><p>Otherwise your just some whore in need of a pimp</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>hmmmright they have the benefit of looking for a new job or continuing to pay a group of extortionist to keep their current one.I will never join a union .
Maybe that 's because i am smart enough to negotiate my own contract.If I loss my job at no fault of my own I have a years salary waiting for me .
I have 100 \ % health coverage .
I have a 3 week vacation.I guess the job market is like life .
If your smart enough to make yourself inherently valuable then you get to make the rules.Otherwise your just some whore in need of a pimp</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hmmmright they have the benefit of looking for a new job or continuing to pay a group of extortionist to keep their current one.I will never join a union.
Maybe that's because i am smart enough to negotiate my own contract.If I loss my job at no fault of my own I have a years salary waiting for me.
I have 100\% health coverage.
I have a 3 week vacation.I guess the job market is like life.
If your smart enough to make yourself inherently valuable then you get to make the rules.Otherwise your just some whore in need of a pimp</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654840</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1262707140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It seems particularly counterproductive to do so on the really cheap; but warm and fuzzy, nonmonetary perks. In even modest quantities, the unit cost of a cup of mediocre coffee isn't quite zero, but it sure isn't high. Certainly lower than the per-unit cost(either for you or for your employees) of having them nipping out to Starbucks for 15 minutes, rather than the kitchen for 5).</htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems particularly counterproductive to do so on the really cheap ; but warm and fuzzy , nonmonetary perks .
In even modest quantities , the unit cost of a cup of mediocre coffee is n't quite zero , but it sure is n't high .
Certainly lower than the per-unit cost ( either for you or for your employees ) of having them nipping out to Starbucks for 15 minutes , rather than the kitchen for 5 ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems particularly counterproductive to do so on the really cheap; but warm and fuzzy, nonmonetary perks.
In even modest quantities, the unit cost of a cup of mediocre coffee isn't quite zero, but it sure isn't high.
Certainly lower than the per-unit cost(either for you or for your employees) of having them nipping out to Starbucks for 15 minutes, rather than the kitchen for 5).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30656116</id>
	<title>Been there done that.</title>
	<author>knuckledraegger</author>
	<datestamp>1262712300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In my old spot ( a bank), we kept drinks cold under the raised floor, added a tuner card to a server and hijacked cable from the board room.  We could view breaking news as needed and football games or whatever during system backups.  Armed guards brought us all the coffee we could drink. No one could disturb our habitat without our written permission. Life was good.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In my old spot ( a bank ) , we kept drinks cold under the raised floor , added a tuner card to a server and hijacked cable from the board room .
We could view breaking news as needed and football games or whatever during system backups .
Armed guards brought us all the coffee we could drink .
No one could disturb our habitat without our written permission .
Life was good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my old spot ( a bank), we kept drinks cold under the raised floor, added a tuner card to a server and hijacked cable from the board room.
We could view breaking news as needed and football games or whatever during system backups.
Armed guards brought us all the coffee we could drink.
No one could disturb our habitat without our written permission.
Life was good.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655050</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30658790</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1262721600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've never worked a place with free coffee, so I don't get the big deal.</p></div><p>It's not a big deal, but if your company systematically cutting back on all the little perks, then morale is going to take a hit.
</p><p>But also, cutting back on coffee is probably just a dumb move.  Lots of companies offer free coffee, but it's not even just to be nice to employees.  They're basically feeding their employees a stimulant, which is commonly thought to make the workers more productive.  Plus, if you don't keep a public pot of coffee, that means everyone has to make their own coffee or else go out for coffee-- either of which will take up more money in employee man-hours than the cost of coffee.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 've never worked a place with free coffee , so I do n't get the big deal.It 's not a big deal , but if your company systematically cutting back on all the little perks , then morale is going to take a hit .
But also , cutting back on coffee is probably just a dumb move .
Lots of companies offer free coffee , but it 's not even just to be nice to employees .
They 're basically feeding their employees a stimulant , which is commonly thought to make the workers more productive .
Plus , if you do n't keep a public pot of coffee , that means everyone has to make their own coffee or else go out for coffee-- either of which will take up more money in employee man-hours than the cost of coffee .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never worked a place with free coffee, so I don't get the big deal.It's not a big deal, but if your company systematically cutting back on all the little perks, then morale is going to take a hit.
But also, cutting back on coffee is probably just a dumb move.
Lots of companies offer free coffee, but it's not even just to be nice to employees.
They're basically feeding their employees a stimulant, which is commonly thought to make the workers more productive.
Plus, if you don't keep a public pot of coffee, that means everyone has to make their own coffee or else go out for coffee-- either of which will take up more money in employee man-hours than the cost of coffee.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655248</id>
	<title>Re:No Coffee = No Code</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262709000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A cow is a machine that converts grass to milk.<br>A programmer is a machine that converts coffee to code.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A cow is a machine that converts grass to milk.A programmer is a machine that converts coffee to code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A cow is a machine that converts grass to milk.A programmer is a machine that converts coffee to code.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655222</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262708880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you are a tool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you are a tool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you are a tool.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655656</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>shrtcircuit</author>
	<datestamp>1262710560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The "suck it up and be happy you have a job" was almost the exact phrase our VP issued down a few months ago, along with "if you don't want to be here to make all our dreams come true, go somewhere else".  The problem is that our company relies on a fair bit of "rockstar" technology talent to make things happen, and even with so many people unemployed, it's not that easy to find qualified people at that level (there is, however, a metric ton of mediocre talent, and people who think they're way better than they really are out there).  So, the rockstars find they can locate other good jobs with some relative ease (being rockstars and all) and take that VP's message to heart.<br><br>Making profit is important, maybe the most important thing to a company.  But if you start treating your employees like unwanted burdens and making it feel like a prison instead of a good place to spend 8-10 hours of your day, the ones you want to keep WILL leave simply because they can, and you will be left with the ones you really don't care about because they're too much like all the other "just average" employees out there to find anything else.  You won't be able to reliably acquire new rockstars either, because by that point in their career they can smell a shithole a mile away.<br><br>I'm not suggesting every office needs to be an arcade, or that you have to make lavish expenses routinely.  But little things like free coffee, bagels once a week, reasonable but not totally locked down Internet policies, etc go a long way.  I fully expect that I can hit gmail or slashdot from time to time - I don't spend my whole day on there, but my productivity is worse if I can't break my mind away from other more tedious things.  This is pretty normal human behavior.  As long as I'm getting my work done and not violating HR use policies (porn, etc), the rest should take care of itself.  Employees that can't find that balance will magically disappear at the next round of layoffs anyway.<br><br>Be in business to make money.  Don't forget that upper management can't do the job alone, and don't chase away anyone with the innovation and talent to get you there just because you tried to scrape the barrel.  Ruthless profiteering may work in the short term, but rarely retains the kind of people you need to have except in a rare few business cases.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The " suck it up and be happy you have a job " was almost the exact phrase our VP issued down a few months ago , along with " if you do n't want to be here to make all our dreams come true , go somewhere else " .
The problem is that our company relies on a fair bit of " rockstar " technology talent to make things happen , and even with so many people unemployed , it 's not that easy to find qualified people at that level ( there is , however , a metric ton of mediocre talent , and people who think they 're way better than they really are out there ) .
So , the rockstars find they can locate other good jobs with some relative ease ( being rockstars and all ) and take that VP 's message to heart.Making profit is important , maybe the most important thing to a company .
But if you start treating your employees like unwanted burdens and making it feel like a prison instead of a good place to spend 8-10 hours of your day , the ones you want to keep WILL leave simply because they can , and you will be left with the ones you really do n't care about because they 're too much like all the other " just average " employees out there to find anything else .
You wo n't be able to reliably acquire new rockstars either , because by that point in their career they can smell a shithole a mile away.I 'm not suggesting every office needs to be an arcade , or that you have to make lavish expenses routinely .
But little things like free coffee , bagels once a week , reasonable but not totally locked down Internet policies , etc go a long way .
I fully expect that I can hit gmail or slashdot from time to time - I do n't spend my whole day on there , but my productivity is worse if I ca n't break my mind away from other more tedious things .
This is pretty normal human behavior .
As long as I 'm getting my work done and not violating HR use policies ( porn , etc ) , the rest should take care of itself .
Employees that ca n't find that balance will magically disappear at the next round of layoffs anyway.Be in business to make money .
Do n't forget that upper management ca n't do the job alone , and do n't chase away anyone with the innovation and talent to get you there just because you tried to scrape the barrel .
Ruthless profiteering may work in the short term , but rarely retains the kind of people you need to have except in a rare few business cases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "suck it up and be happy you have a job" was almost the exact phrase our VP issued down a few months ago, along with "if you don't want to be here to make all our dreams come true, go somewhere else".
The problem is that our company relies on a fair bit of "rockstar" technology talent to make things happen, and even with so many people unemployed, it's not that easy to find qualified people at that level (there is, however, a metric ton of mediocre talent, and people who think they're way better than they really are out there).
So, the rockstars find they can locate other good jobs with some relative ease (being rockstars and all) and take that VP's message to heart.Making profit is important, maybe the most important thing to a company.
But if you start treating your employees like unwanted burdens and making it feel like a prison instead of a good place to spend 8-10 hours of your day, the ones you want to keep WILL leave simply because they can, and you will be left with the ones you really don't care about because they're too much like all the other "just average" employees out there to find anything else.
You won't be able to reliably acquire new rockstars either, because by that point in their career they can smell a shithole a mile away.I'm not suggesting every office needs to be an arcade, or that you have to make lavish expenses routinely.
But little things like free coffee, bagels once a week, reasonable but not totally locked down Internet policies, etc go a long way.
I fully expect that I can hit gmail or slashdot from time to time - I don't spend my whole day on there, but my productivity is worse if I can't break my mind away from other more tedious things.
This is pretty normal human behavior.
As long as I'm getting my work done and not violating HR use policies (porn, etc), the rest should take care of itself.
Employees that can't find that balance will magically disappear at the next round of layoffs anyway.Be in business to make money.
Don't forget that upper management can't do the job alone, and don't chase away anyone with the innovation and talent to get you there just because you tried to scrape the barrel.
Ruthless profiteering may work in the short term, but rarely retains the kind of people you need to have except in a rare few business cases.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30671452</id>
	<title>Re:No Coffee = No Code</title>
	<author>dem0n1</author>
	<datestamp>1262800800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>A cow is a machine that converts grass to milk.

A programmer is a machine that converts coffee to code.</i> </p><p>So I think what you're saying is that on occasion, we should eat programmers...?</p><p>This just keeps getting worse and worse.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></div><p>Old programmers that can no longer produce enough code are ground up and fed to the young programmers.

Or perhaps blended with an instant coffee derivative to make a nice slurry to be drank.</p></div>
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<tokenext>A cow is a machine that converts grass to milk .
A programmer is a machine that converts coffee to code .
So I think what you 're saying is that on occasion , we should eat programmers... ? This just keeps getting worse and worse .
: ( Old programmers that can no longer produce enough code are ground up and fed to the young programmers .
Or perhaps blended with an instant coffee derivative to make a nice slurry to be drank .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> A cow is a machine that converts grass to milk.
A programmer is a machine that converts coffee to code.
So I think what you're saying is that on occasion, we should eat programmers...?This just keeps getting worse and worse.
:(Old programmers that can no longer produce enough code are ground up and fed to the young programmers.
Or perhaps blended with an instant coffee derivative to make a nice slurry to be drank.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30684320</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>Apocros</author>
	<datestamp>1262887380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Supposedly, at my office (roughly 250-300 people, I think), the company spends over $15k a month on coffee.  I can't tell if that means those keurig cups are really expensive, people drink tons of coffee, or if the bean counters are full of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Supposedly , at my office ( roughly 250-300 people , I think ) , the company spends over $ 15k a month on coffee .
I ca n't tell if that means those keurig cups are really expensive , people drink tons of coffee , or if the bean counters are full of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Supposedly, at my office (roughly 250-300 people, I think), the company spends over $15k a month on coffee.
I can't tell if that means those keurig cups are really expensive, people drink tons of coffee, or if the bean counters are full of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655406</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262709660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You know, you're exactly the kind of person who occasionally loses access to their email for three hours while I take a long lunch and ignore you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , you 're exactly the kind of person who occasionally loses access to their email for three hours while I take a long lunch and ignore you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, you're exactly the kind of person who occasionally loses access to their email for three hours while I take a long lunch and ignore you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30662508</id>
	<title>Flash</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262694300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is there any particular reason that article was put in an annoying flash component?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there any particular reason that article was put in an annoying flash component ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there any particular reason that article was put in an annoying flash component?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655416</id>
	<title>it was never free</title>
	<author>nottheusualsuspect</author>
	<datestamp>1262709720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You insensitive clod! We have to pay for water!

but only because the water from the spigot is contaminated from the diesel tanks that used to be here. Petroleum-flavored water? Count me out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You insensitive clod !
We have to pay for water !
but only because the water from the spigot is contaminated from the diesel tanks that used to be here .
Petroleum-flavored water ?
Count me out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You insensitive clod!
We have to pay for water!
but only because the water from the spigot is contaminated from the diesel tanks that used to be here.
Petroleum-flavored water?
Count me out.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30657228</id>
	<title>I had a choice...</title>
	<author>sean.peters</author>
	<datestamp>1262715960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... I could either get issued a company phone, or the company would pay my cell bill. There was no way I was carrying around two phones, and the company issued one was a giant clunky Blackberry, whereas my own was an iPhone. The choice was easy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... I could either get issued a company phone , or the company would pay my cell bill .
There was no way I was carrying around two phones , and the company issued one was a giant clunky Blackberry , whereas my own was an iPhone .
The choice was easy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... I could either get issued a company phone, or the company would pay my cell bill.
There was no way I was carrying around two phones, and the company issued one was a giant clunky Blackberry, whereas my own was an iPhone.
The choice was easy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655332</id>
	<title>Uncle Bernie once took away our coffee</title>
	<author>kobotronic</author>
	<datestamp>1262709300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.thestreet.com/story/10008505/1.html" title="thestreet.com">http://www.thestreet.com/story/10008505/1.html</a> [thestreet.com]</p><p>It killed office morale quite effectively. Productivity plummeted. And Uncle Bernie still went to Club Fed even if he did save the company several hundred dollars worth of coffee expenses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.thestreet.com/story/10008505/1.html [ thestreet.com ] It killed office morale quite effectively .
Productivity plummeted .
And Uncle Bernie still went to Club Fed even if he did save the company several hundred dollars worth of coffee expenses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.thestreet.com/story/10008505/1.html [thestreet.com]It killed office morale quite effectively.
Productivity plummeted.
And Uncle Bernie still went to Club Fed even if he did save the company several hundred dollars worth of coffee expenses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30657122</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1262715660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your statement would make more sense if the fat-cats at the top of the food chain were suffering like the rest of us, but instead are living a luxurious life while the people on whose backs their lifestyle rest are barely able to survive.</p><p>Who has the sense of entitlement here again?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your statement would make more sense if the fat-cats at the top of the food chain were suffering like the rest of us , but instead are living a luxurious life while the people on whose backs their lifestyle rest are barely able to survive.Who has the sense of entitlement here again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your statement would make more sense if the fat-cats at the top of the food chain were suffering like the rest of us, but instead are living a luxurious life while the people on whose backs their lifestyle rest are barely able to survive.Who has the sense of entitlement here again?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30656328</id>
	<title>Supreme Court Disagrees</title>
	<author>TheNinjaroach</author>
	<datestamp>1262713020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Contrary to popular belief, a company's sole responsibility is NOT to its shareholders;</p></div><p>In the US, you'd actually be wrong about that.  The Supreme Court disagrees with you in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge\_v.\_Ford\_Motor\_Company" title="wikipedia.org">Dodge v. Ford Motor Company</a> [wikipedia.org] - funny name, I know.  According to Wikipedia: </p><p><div class="quote"><p>The Court held that a business corporation is organized primarily for the profit of the stockholders, as opposed to the community or its employees.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Contrary to popular belief , a company 's sole responsibility is NOT to its shareholders ; In the US , you 'd actually be wrong about that .
The Supreme Court disagrees with you in Dodge v. Ford Motor Company [ wikipedia.org ] - funny name , I know .
According to Wikipedia : The Court held that a business corporation is organized primarily for the profit of the stockholders , as opposed to the community or its employees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Contrary to popular belief, a company's sole responsibility is NOT to its shareholders;In the US, you'd actually be wrong about that.
The Supreme Court disagrees with you in Dodge v. Ford Motor Company [wikipedia.org] - funny name, I know.
According to Wikipedia: The Court held that a business corporation is organized primarily for the profit of the stockholders, as opposed to the community or its employees.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30666078</id>
	<title>Re:No Coffee = No Code</title>
	<author>nightfire-unique</author>
	<datestamp>1262717520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>A cow is a machine that converts grass to milk.<br>
A programmer is a machine that converts coffee to code.</i> </p><p>So I think what you're saying is that on occasion, we should eat programmers...?</p><p>This just keeps getting worse and worse.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A cow is a machine that converts grass to milk .
A programmer is a machine that converts coffee to code .
So I think what you 're saying is that on occasion , we should eat programmers... ? This just keeps getting worse and worse .
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext> A cow is a machine that converts grass to milk.
A programmer is a machine that converts coffee to code.
So I think what you're saying is that on occasion, we should eat programmers...?This just keeps getting worse and worse.
:(</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30656280</id>
	<title>Re:Fewer 'perks' please?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262712840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"free coffee" is a REAL big deal when you work on a campus that owns and operates a cafeteria through a 3rd party cafeteria provider.<br>1) The cafe locks in services, departments that want coffee must buy it from the cafe as a service, or as individuals you have to buy it by the cup in the cafe.  having your own coffee pot is strictly against the contract the cafe has with the building.  They charge nearly $1.50 for crap near-instant coffee when they're open, plus an extra charge for the cup if you don't bring your own (and more if the cup is "excessively large" which I have yet to find one that is not, so we all use massive travel cups).  Creamers are extra!  Fresh brewed "gourmet" coffee is over $2 a cup, and there's no such thing as premium coffee (espresso, etc).  A basic coffee habit buying coffee in the cafe gets expensive FAST.  I started bringing 1 cup full from home, and having a refil at 8:30, 10 ans 11:30.  That was running $110<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/month plus tax!!!  more for COFFEE that I typically spent on a week's groceries.</p><p>2)  The cafe is closed from 9:30 to 11:30.  That means no coffee between those hours unless your department pays for service, or unless you take a 15+ minute round trip to the nearest gas station that serves sludge in a cup or 20 to a starbucks.</p><p>3) Depertments can buy coffee as a "service" from the cafe.  This comes in the form of rental on a pot system (industrial 3 burner Brunn type system like you see in a pancake house or restaurant).  They provide coffee and creamer by the box and we brew it ourselves.  It's a lot cheaper than buying by the cup, but for a department of about 80 people, its still hundreds of dollars per month.</p><p>When i joined, i was one of 3 coffee drinkers out of 16 people in our area, so we did not have a pot at all.  (well, we did, untiul building services found out and took it away).  I initially went to quit coffee (that failed), so I started lugging a 16 cup thermos to work and drinking cups from that.  It was cheap, but i looked like an idiot walking across the parking lot with than cannister.  After a few months, 6 of the 16 (a few people rotated out) in our immediate area were doing it too, as well as about a dozen upstairs also part of our group, so the boss offered to start the process getting a machine.  At this point, we pay $2 per employee per week for coffee service, half is subsidized OUT OF POCKET by our own boss...</p><p>A couple of months ago, the cafe nearly double the price of the coffee service.  Several depertments cut off the service as a result.  It was back on in 2 weeks.  Performance dropped precipitously!  The compmany now pays for our entire main group, about 85 people, to have coffee at no charge.</p><p>Other buildings on campus that have their own seperate cafe's do not have such restrictive coffee practices, pay loewr rates, have "community funded" pots in some places, and in others even have a full service coffee station where someone is paid to keep the pots full all the time.  2 of our buildings have a coffee shop in them, seperate from the cafe.</p><p>We're still fighting them on Soda for the non-coffee drinkers.  There are soda machines all over in break rooms, but it's fucking $1.50 for a 12oz can!!!  It's CRIMINAL for a company to profit so highly off employees who have no other real options (there are few if any department fridges, and if you put a can of soda in their, you'll never see it again).  We're trying to force the cafe to provide soda as it does coffee, by the pallett, and do away with the machines except in the cafe and public areas.  We'd bring 2 liters, but there's NO ICE MACHINE ANYWHERE, except in the cafe, which they charge $0.20 for a small cup of ice (the 4 hours a day they're open, which closes compeltely at 1:30).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" free coffee " is a REAL big deal when you work on a campus that owns and operates a cafeteria through a 3rd party cafeteria provider.1 ) The cafe locks in services , departments that want coffee must buy it from the cafe as a service , or as individuals you have to buy it by the cup in the cafe .
having your own coffee pot is strictly against the contract the cafe has with the building .
They charge nearly $ 1.50 for crap near-instant coffee when they 're open , plus an extra charge for the cup if you do n't bring your own ( and more if the cup is " excessively large " which I have yet to find one that is not , so we all use massive travel cups ) .
Creamers are extra !
Fresh brewed " gourmet " coffee is over $ 2 a cup , and there 's no such thing as premium coffee ( espresso , etc ) .
A basic coffee habit buying coffee in the cafe gets expensive FAST .
I started bringing 1 cup full from home , and having a refil at 8 : 30 , 10 ans 11 : 30 .
That was running $ 110 /month plus tax ! ! !
more for COFFEE that I typically spent on a week 's groceries.2 ) The cafe is closed from 9 : 30 to 11 : 30 .
That means no coffee between those hours unless your department pays for service , or unless you take a 15 + minute round trip to the nearest gas station that serves sludge in a cup or 20 to a starbucks.3 ) Depertments can buy coffee as a " service " from the cafe .
This comes in the form of rental on a pot system ( industrial 3 burner Brunn type system like you see in a pancake house or restaurant ) .
They provide coffee and creamer by the box and we brew it ourselves .
It 's a lot cheaper than buying by the cup , but for a department of about 80 people , its still hundreds of dollars per month.When i joined , i was one of 3 coffee drinkers out of 16 people in our area , so we did not have a pot at all .
( well , we did , untiul building services found out and took it away ) .
I initially went to quit coffee ( that failed ) , so I started lugging a 16 cup thermos to work and drinking cups from that .
It was cheap , but i looked like an idiot walking across the parking lot with than cannister .
After a few months , 6 of the 16 ( a few people rotated out ) in our immediate area were doing it too , as well as about a dozen upstairs also part of our group , so the boss offered to start the process getting a machine .
At this point , we pay $ 2 per employee per week for coffee service , half is subsidized OUT OF POCKET by our own boss...A couple of months ago , the cafe nearly double the price of the coffee service .
Several depertments cut off the service as a result .
It was back on in 2 weeks .
Performance dropped precipitously !
The compmany now pays for our entire main group , about 85 people , to have coffee at no charge.Other buildings on campus that have their own seperate cafe 's do not have such restrictive coffee practices , pay loewr rates , have " community funded " pots in some places , and in others even have a full service coffee station where someone is paid to keep the pots full all the time .
2 of our buildings have a coffee shop in them , seperate from the cafe.We 're still fighting them on Soda for the non-coffee drinkers .
There are soda machines all over in break rooms , but it 's fucking $ 1.50 for a 12oz can ! ! !
It 's CRIMINAL for a company to profit so highly off employees who have no other real options ( there are few if any department fridges , and if you put a can of soda in their , you 'll never see it again ) .
We 're trying to force the cafe to provide soda as it does coffee , by the pallett , and do away with the machines except in the cafe and public areas .
We 'd bring 2 liters , but there 's NO ICE MACHINE ANYWHERE , except in the cafe , which they charge $ 0.20 for a small cup of ice ( the 4 hours a day they 're open , which closes compeltely at 1 : 30 ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"free coffee" is a REAL big deal when you work on a campus that owns and operates a cafeteria through a 3rd party cafeteria provider.1) The cafe locks in services, departments that want coffee must buy it from the cafe as a service, or as individuals you have to buy it by the cup in the cafe.
having your own coffee pot is strictly against the contract the cafe has with the building.
They charge nearly $1.50 for crap near-instant coffee when they're open, plus an extra charge for the cup if you don't bring your own (and more if the cup is "excessively large" which I have yet to find one that is not, so we all use massive travel cups).
Creamers are extra!
Fresh brewed "gourmet" coffee is over $2 a cup, and there's no such thing as premium coffee (espresso, etc).
A basic coffee habit buying coffee in the cafe gets expensive FAST.
I started bringing 1 cup full from home, and having a refil at 8:30, 10 ans 11:30.
That was running $110 /month plus tax!!!
more for COFFEE that I typically spent on a week's groceries.2)  The cafe is closed from 9:30 to 11:30.
That means no coffee between those hours unless your department pays for service, or unless you take a 15+ minute round trip to the nearest gas station that serves sludge in a cup or 20 to a starbucks.3) Depertments can buy coffee as a "service" from the cafe.
This comes in the form of rental on a pot system (industrial 3 burner Brunn type system like you see in a pancake house or restaurant).
They provide coffee and creamer by the box and we brew it ourselves.
It's a lot cheaper than buying by the cup, but for a department of about 80 people, its still hundreds of dollars per month.When i joined, i was one of 3 coffee drinkers out of 16 people in our area, so we did not have a pot at all.
(well, we did, untiul building services found out and took it away).
I initially went to quit coffee (that failed), so I started lugging a 16 cup thermos to work and drinking cups from that.
It was cheap, but i looked like an idiot walking across the parking lot with than cannister.
After a few months, 6 of the 16 (a few people rotated out) in our immediate area were doing it too, as well as about a dozen upstairs also part of our group, so the boss offered to start the process getting a machine.
At this point, we pay $2 per employee per week for coffee service, half is subsidized OUT OF POCKET by our own boss...A couple of months ago, the cafe nearly double the price of the coffee service.
Several depertments cut off the service as a result.
It was back on in 2 weeks.
Performance dropped precipitously!
The compmany now pays for our entire main group, about 85 people, to have coffee at no charge.Other buildings on campus that have their own seperate cafe's do not have such restrictive coffee practices, pay loewr rates, have "community funded" pots in some places, and in others even have a full service coffee station where someone is paid to keep the pots full all the time.
2 of our buildings have a coffee shop in them, seperate from the cafe.We're still fighting them on Soda for the non-coffee drinkers.
There are soda machines all over in break rooms, but it's fucking $1.50 for a 12oz can!!!
It's CRIMINAL for a company to profit so highly off employees who have no other real options (there are few if any department fridges, and if you put a can of soda in their, you'll never see it again).
We're trying to force the cafe to provide soda as it does coffee, by the pallett, and do away with the machines except in the cafe and public areas.
We'd bring 2 liters, but there's NO ICE MACHINE ANYWHERE, except in the cafe, which they charge $0.20 for a small cup of ice (the 4 hours a day they're open, which closes compeltely at 1:30).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655818</id>
	<title>Wait, I could have had perks?</title>
	<author>gravis777</author>
	<datestamp>1262711160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While more companies are coming back to having thier own IT department, many still contract. Shoot, I have to PAY into a benefits package to get sick time, and certainly don't get vacation. The company I am contracting to does not have free coffee - shoot I just paid two bucks down in the cafeteria to get some nasty overcooked Starbucks stuff (hence why it was two bucks instead of $5), and its way better than the toilet water that is in the pay coffee machine in the hall. But I have a job right now in an otherwise troubled economy, so I am not complaining too much. But free caffinee would be AWESOME! That and to get hired on directly so I can get some PTO, Vacation, and some medical benefits that don't cost me half a weeks salery.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While more companies are coming back to having thier own IT department , many still contract .
Shoot , I have to PAY into a benefits package to get sick time , and certainly do n't get vacation .
The company I am contracting to does not have free coffee - shoot I just paid two bucks down in the cafeteria to get some nasty overcooked Starbucks stuff ( hence why it was two bucks instead of $ 5 ) , and its way better than the toilet water that is in the pay coffee machine in the hall .
But I have a job right now in an otherwise troubled economy , so I am not complaining too much .
But free caffinee would be AWESOME !
That and to get hired on directly so I can get some PTO , Vacation , and some medical benefits that do n't cost me half a weeks salery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While more companies are coming back to having thier own IT department, many still contract.
Shoot, I have to PAY into a benefits package to get sick time, and certainly don't get vacation.
The company I am contracting to does not have free coffee - shoot I just paid two bucks down in the cafeteria to get some nasty overcooked Starbucks stuff (hence why it was two bucks instead of $5), and its way better than the toilet water that is in the pay coffee machine in the hall.
But I have a job right now in an otherwise troubled economy, so I am not complaining too much.
But free caffinee would be AWESOME!
That and to get hired on directly so I can get some PTO, Vacation, and some medical benefits that don't cost me half a weeks salery.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655436</id>
	<title>Well, in my day...</title>
	<author>jlowery</author>
	<datestamp>1262709720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>we mixed a little dirt in a cup of cold water and called it instant. If you wanted creamer, you added drop or two of Liquid Paper. Tasted like shit, but the extra chemicals and minerals kept you going.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>we mixed a little dirt in a cup of cold water and called it instant .
If you wanted creamer , you added drop or two of Liquid Paper .
Tasted like shit , but the extra chemicals and minerals kept you going .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>we mixed a little dirt in a cup of cold water and called it instant.
If you wanted creamer, you added drop or two of Liquid Paper.
Tasted like shit, but the extra chemicals and minerals kept you going.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30656880</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>conureman</author>
	<datestamp>1262714880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All this discussion, and I thought it was common knowledge- how to manipulate good-will, and leverage little investments like free coffee, into employee loyalty and acceptance of (laughably) lower wages. I guess not everyone follows the same model, but I've always seen it working quite well. I do like my coffee!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All this discussion , and I thought it was common knowledge- how to manipulate good-will , and leverage little investments like free coffee , into employee loyalty and acceptance of ( laughably ) lower wages .
I guess not everyone follows the same model , but I 've always seen it working quite well .
I do like my coffee !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All this discussion, and I thought it was common knowledge- how to manipulate good-will, and leverage little investments like free coffee, into employee loyalty and acceptance of (laughably) lower wages.
I guess not everyone follows the same model, but I've always seen it working quite well.
I do like my coffee!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30656740</id>
	<title>TFA is from "Channel Insider"?</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1262714520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>TFA is a press hit from a PR firm people. Seriously, "Channel Insider"? They aren't even trying very hard to hide the fact that they are a bullshit marketing rag full of advertising copy, "special advertising sections" (you know the ones that try to disguise themselves as "articles" and actually useful content), and "articles" submitted by PR firms on behalf of paying clients to score a "Press Hit". I would put the credibility of anything coming out of "Channel Insider" at just about zero.</htmltext>
<tokenext>TFA is a press hit from a PR firm people .
Seriously , " Channel Insider " ?
They are n't even trying very hard to hide the fact that they are a bullshit marketing rag full of advertising copy , " special advertising sections " ( you know the ones that try to disguise themselves as " articles " and actually useful content ) , and " articles " submitted by PR firms on behalf of paying clients to score a " Press Hit " .
I would put the credibility of anything coming out of " Channel Insider " at just about zero .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TFA is a press hit from a PR firm people.
Seriously, "Channel Insider"?
They aren't even trying very hard to hide the fact that they are a bullshit marketing rag full of advertising copy, "special advertising sections" (you know the ones that try to disguise themselves as "articles" and actually useful content), and "articles" submitted by PR firms on behalf of paying clients to score a "Press Hit".
I would put the credibility of anything coming out of "Channel Insider" at just about zero.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655172</id>
	<title>It's in the Constitiution</title>
	<author>twmcneil</author>
	<datestamp>1262708640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's called the Juan Valdez Amendment to the Constitution.  It's there really.  Look it up. It guarantees all workers the right to free coffee during work hours.  Ratification of that Amendment has been written into my employment contracts for over 20 years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's called the Juan Valdez Amendment to the Constitution .
It 's there really .
Look it up .
It guarantees all workers the right to free coffee during work hours .
Ratification of that Amendment has been written into my employment contracts for over 20 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's called the Juan Valdez Amendment to the Constitution.
It's there really.
Look it up.
It guarantees all workers the right to free coffee during work hours.
Ratification of that Amendment has been written into my employment contracts for over 20 years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655884</id>
	<title>Want to work somewhere better?</title>
	<author>Surt</author>
	<datestamp>1262711460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're an excellent java software engineer in silicon valley, we still have plenty of free coffee, and our perks are on the rise.  Get in touch with me if you're interested.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're an excellent java software engineer in silicon valley , we still have plenty of free coffee , and our perks are on the rise .
Get in touch with me if you 're interested .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're an excellent java software engineer in silicon valley, we still have plenty of free coffee, and our perks are on the rise.
Get in touch with me if you're interested.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655288</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>joeyspqr</author>
	<datestamp>1262709120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>thanks for the reminders<br>
I have to check gmail to see if my last comment was modded up and I was beginning to think that I traded my knowledge and skills for money in a fair exchange, instead of being grateful to my feudal liege for bare sustenance.</htmltext>
<tokenext>thanks for the reminders I have to check gmail to see if my last comment was modded up and I was beginning to think that I traded my knowledge and skills for money in a fair exchange , instead of being grateful to my feudal liege for bare sustenance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>thanks for the reminders
I have to check gmail to see if my last comment was modded up and I was beginning to think that I traded my knowledge and skills for money in a fair exchange, instead of being grateful to my feudal liege for bare sustenance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30654916</id>
	<title>Fewer 'perks' please?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262707500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some company perks that I just don't want and will never use:<br>- I don't want a company celphone. I have my own phone, I don't want to have to keep track of business and private calls, I don't want my boss to get a list of all the calls I make in a month, and I don't want to have to carry around two phones. The company phone is lying in the closet, unused, the subscription fee is being paid for nothing.<br>- I don't want a company laptop. I don't need one for my work (customers *naturally* never allow machines on their network that they didn't provide themselves). For private use, it's useless. It does not have the specs I would have chosen for my own laptop, and I'm not free to modify it or change the software on it. It's been lying in the closet, unused. It's worse than useless, as I can't justify buying one for myself as long as I "have a perfectly ok laptop gathering dust in the closet".<br>- Company presentations preceeded by Paintball or Casino: please keep it serious and treat me like an adult. I don't come to the office to play games with colleagues, just give the presentation.<br>- Free coffee: I don't care. It's nice if it's there, but it's such a minor issue that if they want to save the shockingly huge amount of money that goes into rent and support of these machines, by all means do so, I'm not going to work less hard if I have to buy my own drinks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some company perks that I just do n't want and will never use : - I do n't want a company celphone .
I have my own phone , I do n't want to have to keep track of business and private calls , I do n't want my boss to get a list of all the calls I make in a month , and I do n't want to have to carry around two phones .
The company phone is lying in the closet , unused , the subscription fee is being paid for nothing.- I do n't want a company laptop .
I do n't need one for my work ( customers * naturally * never allow machines on their network that they did n't provide themselves ) .
For private use , it 's useless .
It does not have the specs I would have chosen for my own laptop , and I 'm not free to modify it or change the software on it .
It 's been lying in the closet , unused .
It 's worse than useless , as I ca n't justify buying one for myself as long as I " have a perfectly ok laptop gathering dust in the closet " .- Company presentations preceeded by Paintball or Casino : please keep it serious and treat me like an adult .
I do n't come to the office to play games with colleagues , just give the presentation.- Free coffee : I do n't care .
It 's nice if it 's there , but it 's such a minor issue that if they want to save the shockingly huge amount of money that goes into rent and support of these machines , by all means do so , I 'm not going to work less hard if I have to buy my own drinks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some company perks that I just don't want and will never use:- I don't want a company celphone.
I have my own phone, I don't want to have to keep track of business and private calls, I don't want my boss to get a list of all the calls I make in a month, and I don't want to have to carry around two phones.
The company phone is lying in the closet, unused, the subscription fee is being paid for nothing.- I don't want a company laptop.
I don't need one for my work (customers *naturally* never allow machines on their network that they didn't provide themselves).
For private use, it's useless.
It does not have the specs I would have chosen for my own laptop, and I'm not free to modify it or change the software on it.
It's been lying in the closet, unused.
It's worse than useless, as I can't justify buying one for myself as long as I "have a perfectly ok laptop gathering dust in the closet".- Company presentations preceeded by Paintball or Casino: please keep it serious and treat me like an adult.
I don't come to the office to play games with colleagues, just give the presentation.- Free coffee: I don't care.
It's nice if it's there, but it's such a minor issue that if they want to save the shockingly huge amount of money that goes into rent and support of these machines, by all means do so, I'm not going to work less hard if I have to buy my own drinks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30658376</id>
	<title>Re:the school district model</title>
	<author>Abstrackt</author>
	<datestamp>1262720100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm not sure why I would complain about no free coffee...</p><p>My work never supplied that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(</p></div><p>They should.  It's not like everyone drinks it, but people appreciate the little things and it shows in their work, especially when the work is related to coffee.</p><p>One time at my workplace the power went out for several hours.  As soon as we realized there wouldn't be coffee for break, I raced to the nearest hardware store and picked up a diesel generator for our coffee maker.  When I came back though, they had jury-rigged a system that siphoned power from the emergency lighting to power it instead...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure why I would complain about no free coffee...My work never supplied that : - ( They should .
It 's not like everyone drinks it , but people appreciate the little things and it shows in their work , especially when the work is related to coffee.One time at my workplace the power went out for several hours .
As soon as we realized there would n't be coffee for break , I raced to the nearest hardware store and picked up a diesel generator for our coffee maker .
When I came back though , they had jury-rigged a system that siphoned power from the emergency lighting to power it instead.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure why I would complain about no free coffee...My work never supplied that :-(They should.
It's not like everyone drinks it, but people appreciate the little things and it shows in their work, especially when the work is related to coffee.One time at my workplace the power went out for several hours.
As soon as we realized there wouldn't be coffee for break, I raced to the nearest hardware store and picked up a diesel generator for our coffee maker.
When I came back though, they had jury-rigged a system that siphoned power from the emergency lighting to power it instead...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30657322</id>
	<title>Re:the school district model</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1262716320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except the brain adjust the receptors to compensate for the increase caffeine in about 2 week. The means after two weeks you need coffee just to stay at minimal productivity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except the brain adjust the receptors to compensate for the increase caffeine in about 2 week .
The means after two weeks you need coffee just to stay at minimal productivity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except the brain adjust the receptors to compensate for the increase caffeine in about 2 week.
The means after two weeks you need coffee just to stay at minimal productivity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655614</id>
	<title>They need you</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262710440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you are worth your salt in IT you can get free coffee and much more...<br>If you are a GOD you can generate coffee from your ass.</p><p>I perk delicious coffee.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are worth your salt in IT you can get free coffee and much more...If you are a GOD you can generate coffee from your ass.I perk delicious coffee .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are worth your salt in IT you can get free coffee and much more...If you are a GOD you can generate coffee from your ass.I perk delicious coffee.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30658266</id>
	<title>Espresso not Coffee, a Recruitment tool</title>
	<author>chelberg</author>
	<datestamp>1262719560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Coffee not good?  Not at the company I worked for. We had an espresso machine and it was wonderful.  The company had one of the secretaries clean it and they bought coffee at the grocery store on their way in to work.  But this was a small company. YMMV at large corps.</p><p>One other point, while it may seem quite a small thing, it was a large recruitment incentive.  Any company that cared enough to provide free espresso seemed like it might be a nice place to work.  This turned out to be true for this company.  I'm sure it got them better people than they might be able to attract with salary alone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Coffee not good ?
Not at the company I worked for .
We had an espresso machine and it was wonderful .
The company had one of the secretaries clean it and they bought coffee at the grocery store on their way in to work .
But this was a small company .
YMMV at large corps.One other point , while it may seem quite a small thing , it was a large recruitment incentive .
Any company that cared enough to provide free espresso seemed like it might be a nice place to work .
This turned out to be true for this company .
I 'm sure it got them better people than they might be able to attract with salary alone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Coffee not good?
Not at the company I worked for.
We had an espresso machine and it was wonderful.
The company had one of the secretaries clean it and they bought coffee at the grocery store on their way in to work.
But this was a small company.
YMMV at large corps.One other point, while it may seem quite a small thing, it was a large recruitment incentive.
Any company that cared enough to provide free espresso seemed like it might be a nice place to work.
This turned out to be true for this company.
I'm sure it got them better people than they might be able to attract with salary alone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30658170</id>
	<title>Re:A simple cost vs benefit analysis</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262719200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>very specific and very useless.<br>You forgot about the pay for maintaining the coffee pot..</p><p>If you can not do your job when yuou arrive, then maybe you should have a cup of coffee at your home when you wake up instead of thinking it's the companies responsibility to give you a product that's counter productive?</p><p>That right, after 2 weeks of coffee drinking it's all useless because you brain makes more of the receptors that caffeine block(fill actually).</p><p>if you have 10,000 people you will probably need to hire 50 people to maintain the coffee machines, product ordering, distribution and clean up.</p><p>The machines aren't likely to last a decade, but the raw costs of the machine is pretty trivial compared to the human cost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>very specific and very useless.You forgot about the pay for maintaining the coffee pot..If you can not do your job when yuou arrive , then maybe you should have a cup of coffee at your home when you wake up instead of thinking it 's the companies responsibility to give you a product that 's counter productive ? That right , after 2 weeks of coffee drinking it 's all useless because you brain makes more of the receptors that caffeine block ( fill actually ) .if you have 10,000 people you will probably need to hire 50 people to maintain the coffee machines , product ordering , distribution and clean up.The machines are n't likely to last a decade , but the raw costs of the machine is pretty trivial compared to the human cost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>very specific and very useless.You forgot about the pay for maintaining the coffee pot..If you can not do your job when yuou arrive, then maybe you should have a cup of coffee at your home when you wake up instead of thinking it's the companies responsibility to give you a product that's counter productive?That right, after 2 weeks of coffee drinking it's all useless because you brain makes more of the receptors that caffeine block(fill actually).if you have 10,000 people you will probably need to hire 50 people to maintain the coffee machines, product ordering, distribution and clean up.The machines aren't likely to last a decade, but the raw costs of the machine is pretty trivial compared to the human cost.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Want to work somewhere better?</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1262719560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same thing in Portland. Hell I know a place the gives it's employees free beer..Good beer on tap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same thing in Portland .
Hell I know a place the gives it 's employees free beer..Good beer on tap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same thing in Portland.
Hell I know a place the gives it's employees free beer..Good beer on tap.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30660280</id>
	<title>Re:the school district model</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262684820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>running out "on break" to buy coffee</p></div></blockquote><p>I have a far simpler solution to this problem.</p><p>When they get back, you tell them they are fired.  It doesn't take that happening too many times before you stop having 'break' problems.</p><p>Reality check:  You aren't special, neither are your skills.  You are essentially a computer janitor (regardless of your actual position).  You can be replaced, and in a few short years your skills will in no way be special as any grade school kid will be able to do your job, probably better since they've grown up with technology.  If you don't realize this, you're already past the point of no return.</p><p>Your job isn't there to provide you benefits.  You do not have any special rights because you work on computers.  Why is it that computer geeks seem to have this retarded notion that you somehow deserve to get treated differently than the rest of the world?  You need to pull your head out of your ass and realize that 'the basic office environment' as you think of it, isn't the basic office environment for pretty much any other job in the world outside of geekdom.</p><p>As soon as the need for computer literate people is balanced by the number of them, all perks will end and you'll be treated just like the guy in a steel mill, the guy building skyscrapers, and the guy who takes out your trash.</p><p>You are not entitled to anything, get over yourself.  The fact that you got modded insightful just shows how many people who read slashdot now are so incredible out of touch.  When I got into the field, I was excited about all the cool perks geeks get because of their rarity.  Its been that way just long enough that all the little wanna-be geeks such as yourself think that you are entitled to such treatment, rather than realizing those were just initial perks to make up for the lack of available talent.  There is no longer a lack of available talent, you have nothing to offer over the guy who is willing to go to work without coffee and willing to work for a wage you are actually worth rather than demanding a wage that you are in no way deserve.</p><p>You are spoiled and unfortunately in for a very rude awakening and reality check over the next few years.  Have fun, I'll enjoy watching you leave because you didn't get your coffee, mean while, I'll pull my drinks out of the bag I brought with me to work as I'm watching you walk out the door whining like a little bitch.</p></div>
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<tokenext>running out " on break " to buy coffeeI have a far simpler solution to this problem.When they get back , you tell them they are fired .
It does n't take that happening too many times before you stop having 'break ' problems.Reality check : You are n't special , neither are your skills .
You are essentially a computer janitor ( regardless of your actual position ) .
You can be replaced , and in a few short years your skills will in no way be special as any grade school kid will be able to do your job , probably better since they 've grown up with technology .
If you do n't realize this , you 're already past the point of no return.Your job is n't there to provide you benefits .
You do not have any special rights because you work on computers .
Why is it that computer geeks seem to have this retarded notion that you somehow deserve to get treated differently than the rest of the world ?
You need to pull your head out of your ass and realize that 'the basic office environment ' as you think of it , is n't the basic office environment for pretty much any other job in the world outside of geekdom.As soon as the need for computer literate people is balanced by the number of them , all perks will end and you 'll be treated just like the guy in a steel mill , the guy building skyscrapers , and the guy who takes out your trash.You are not entitled to anything , get over yourself .
The fact that you got modded insightful just shows how many people who read slashdot now are so incredible out of touch .
When I got into the field , I was excited about all the cool perks geeks get because of their rarity .
Its been that way just long enough that all the little wan na-be geeks such as yourself think that you are entitled to such treatment , rather than realizing those were just initial perks to make up for the lack of available talent .
There is no longer a lack of available talent , you have nothing to offer over the guy who is willing to go to work without coffee and willing to work for a wage you are actually worth rather than demanding a wage that you are in no way deserve.You are spoiled and unfortunately in for a very rude awakening and reality check over the next few years .
Have fun , I 'll enjoy watching you leave because you did n't get your coffee , mean while , I 'll pull my drinks out of the bag I brought with me to work as I 'm watching you walk out the door whining like a little bitch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>running out "on break" to buy coffeeI have a far simpler solution to this problem.When they get back, you tell them they are fired.
It doesn't take that happening too many times before you stop having 'break' problems.Reality check:  You aren't special, neither are your skills.
You are essentially a computer janitor (regardless of your actual position).
You can be replaced, and in a few short years your skills will in no way be special as any grade school kid will be able to do your job, probably better since they've grown up with technology.
If you don't realize this, you're already past the point of no return.Your job isn't there to provide you benefits.
You do not have any special rights because you work on computers.
Why is it that computer geeks seem to have this retarded notion that you somehow deserve to get treated differently than the rest of the world?
You need to pull your head out of your ass and realize that 'the basic office environment' as you think of it, isn't the basic office environment for pretty much any other job in the world outside of geekdom.As soon as the need for computer literate people is balanced by the number of them, all perks will end and you'll be treated just like the guy in a steel mill, the guy building skyscrapers, and the guy who takes out your trash.You are not entitled to anything, get over yourself.
The fact that you got modded insightful just shows how many people who read slashdot now are so incredible out of touch.
When I got into the field, I was excited about all the cool perks geeks get because of their rarity.
Its been that way just long enough that all the little wanna-be geeks such as yourself think that you are entitled to such treatment, rather than realizing those were just initial perks to make up for the lack of available talent.
There is no longer a lack of available talent, you have nothing to offer over the guy who is willing to go to work without coffee and willing to work for a wage you are actually worth rather than demanding a wage that you are in no way deserve.You are spoiled and unfortunately in for a very rude awakening and reality check over the next few years.
Have fun, I'll enjoy watching you leave because you didn't get your coffee, mean while, I'll pull my drinks out of the bag I brought with me to work as I'm watching you walk out the door whining like a little bitch.
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	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>Drethon</author>
	<datestamp>1262710080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nope my job is to produce the largest quantity of high quality code I can every day (software developer).  The company should keep their nose out of how I do this as long as it is legal and moral (definition of moral being rather morphable unfortunately).<br>
<br>
If I produce more code by browsing the internet in one corner of my display so I don't brain fizz an hour after I start then they shouldn't block my internet browsing ability.  I agree blocking games is probably a good idea but I find myself stairing off into space too much if I'm trying to work every minute, if I browse the internet I can push myself harder and faster for a higher percentage of each hour.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nope my job is to produce the largest quantity of high quality code I can every day ( software developer ) .
The company should keep their nose out of how I do this as long as it is legal and moral ( definition of moral being rather morphable unfortunately ) .
If I produce more code by browsing the internet in one corner of my display so I do n't brain fizz an hour after I start then they should n't block my internet browsing ability .
I agree blocking games is probably a good idea but I find myself stairing off into space too much if I 'm trying to work every minute , if I browse the internet I can push myself harder and faster for a higher percentage of each hour .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nope my job is to produce the largest quantity of high quality code I can every day (software developer).
The company should keep their nose out of how I do this as long as it is legal and moral (definition of moral being rather morphable unfortunately).
If I produce more code by browsing the internet in one corner of my display so I don't brain fizz an hour after I start then they shouldn't block my internet browsing ability.
I agree blocking games is probably a good idea but I find myself stairing off into space too much if I'm trying to work every minute, if I browse the internet I can push myself harder and faster for a higher percentage of each hour.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30659390</id>
	<title>Re:the school district model</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1262724540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work from home now, so I make my own coffee.  When I was working in the lab, I realised that, for the price I was spending buying cups of coffee, I could afford to buy enough coffee beans to give everyone else in the lab coffee for free and still save money (and be drinking nicer coffee).  I moved my coffee grinder into the kitchen and bought beans from a local shop (which knocked around 25\% off the price because of the amount of coffee I ended up buying) and got the others to chip in.  We ended up paying a lot less and drinking decent coffee.  </p><p>
The point is that the total cost of buying coffee was tiny in comparison to how much we were being paid.  If we'd been buying in larger quantities (e.g. for the whole building, rather than just the lab) we'd have paid even less.  The department probably wouldn't have noticed the cost.  </p><p>
This was a university research lab, but in a company that depends on the productivity of its workers, the cost of buying them decent tea is very small.  One of the things I like when I visit Google is that they have a decent coffee machine on each floor.  If their engineers want coffee, they can go, grab a cup, and discuss things.  This means that they spend more time in the building being productive.  The total cost per person is tiny compared to their salary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work from home now , so I make my own coffee .
When I was working in the lab , I realised that , for the price I was spending buying cups of coffee , I could afford to buy enough coffee beans to give everyone else in the lab coffee for free and still save money ( and be drinking nicer coffee ) .
I moved my coffee grinder into the kitchen and bought beans from a local shop ( which knocked around 25 \ % off the price because of the amount of coffee I ended up buying ) and got the others to chip in .
We ended up paying a lot less and drinking decent coffee .
The point is that the total cost of buying coffee was tiny in comparison to how much we were being paid .
If we 'd been buying in larger quantities ( e.g .
for the whole building , rather than just the lab ) we 'd have paid even less .
The department probably would n't have noticed the cost .
This was a university research lab , but in a company that depends on the productivity of its workers , the cost of buying them decent tea is very small .
One of the things I like when I visit Google is that they have a decent coffee machine on each floor .
If their engineers want coffee , they can go , grab a cup , and discuss things .
This means that they spend more time in the building being productive .
The total cost per person is tiny compared to their salary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work from home now, so I make my own coffee.
When I was working in the lab, I realised that, for the price I was spending buying cups of coffee, I could afford to buy enough coffee beans to give everyone else in the lab coffee for free and still save money (and be drinking nicer coffee).
I moved my coffee grinder into the kitchen and bought beans from a local shop (which knocked around 25\% off the price because of the amount of coffee I ended up buying) and got the others to chip in.
We ended up paying a lot less and drinking decent coffee.
The point is that the total cost of buying coffee was tiny in comparison to how much we were being paid.
If we'd been buying in larger quantities (e.g.
for the whole building, rather than just the lab) we'd have paid even less.
The department probably wouldn't have noticed the cost.
This was a university research lab, but in a company that depends on the productivity of its workers, the cost of buying them decent tea is very small.
One of the things I like when I visit Google is that they have a decent coffee machine on each floor.
If their engineers want coffee, they can go, grab a cup, and discuss things.
This means that they spend more time in the building being productive.
The total cost per person is tiny compared to their salary.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655030</id>
	<title>Among the Dumbest Things to Do</title>
	<author>Comatose51</author>
	<datestamp>1262707980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Making the workplace less pleasant is only going to backfire.  If I was running a company I would make the place as nice as possible so my workers would want to stick around for as long as possible.  The highest cost to almost any company is labor.  Since IT workers are often paid on a salary basis, free coffee and even free dinner is a bargain for the extra work I can get out of them.  Many tech companies do this.  Cutting 401k, laying off some people, or hiring less people are one thing but making the work environment unpleasant simply has a bad return on "investment".  You save peanuts on the actual cost and lose way more on productivity.  Also, as another commenter pointed out, people will work as hard as they think is due.  When you start nickel and dime-ing your workers, they'll do the same back.  Don't expect "above and beyond" type of effort when you don't seem to be doing the same for them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Making the workplace less pleasant is only going to backfire .
If I was running a company I would make the place as nice as possible so my workers would want to stick around for as long as possible .
The highest cost to almost any company is labor .
Since IT workers are often paid on a salary basis , free coffee and even free dinner is a bargain for the extra work I can get out of them .
Many tech companies do this .
Cutting 401k , laying off some people , or hiring less people are one thing but making the work environment unpleasant simply has a bad return on " investment " .
You save peanuts on the actual cost and lose way more on productivity .
Also , as another commenter pointed out , people will work as hard as they think is due .
When you start nickel and dime-ing your workers , they 'll do the same back .
Do n't expect " above and beyond " type of effort when you do n't seem to be doing the same for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Making the workplace less pleasant is only going to backfire.
If I was running a company I would make the place as nice as possible so my workers would want to stick around for as long as possible.
The highest cost to almost any company is labor.
Since IT workers are often paid on a salary basis, free coffee and even free dinner is a bargain for the extra work I can get out of them.
Many tech companies do this.
Cutting 401k, laying off some people, or hiring less people are one thing but making the work environment unpleasant simply has a bad return on "investment".
You save peanuts on the actual cost and lose way more on productivity.
Also, as another commenter pointed out, people will work as hard as they think is due.
When you start nickel and dime-ing your workers, they'll do the same back.
Don't expect "above and beyond" type of effort when you don't seem to be doing the same for them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30659084</id>
	<title>So I take 25 minutes and goto store for coffee</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262723160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get some air and sunshine. Have a smoke.</p><p>Take the Hot Chick from accounting with me.</p><p>I'm not seeing the down side.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get some air and sunshine .
Have a smoke.Take the Hot Chick from accounting with me.I 'm not seeing the down side .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get some air and sunshine.
Have a smoke.Take the Hot Chick from accounting with me.I'm not seeing the down side.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655326</id>
	<title>Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through</title>
	<author>Austerity Empowers</author>
	<datestamp>1262709300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe the truth is in between. In most every case, employers and employees have not enumerated a complete and quantified list of services rendered for compensation received, does not entitle either party to more or less. Employees are free to not do things they are not legally bound to do, and employers are free to find labor more willing to do so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe the truth is in between .
In most every case , employers and employees have not enumerated a complete and quantified list of services rendered for compensation received , does not entitle either party to more or less .
Employees are free to not do things they are not legally bound to do , and employers are free to find labor more willing to do so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe the truth is in between.
In most every case, employers and employees have not enumerated a complete and quantified list of services rendered for compensation received, does not entitle either party to more or less.
Employees are free to not do things they are not legally bound to do, and employers are free to find labor more willing to do so.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655792</id>
	<title>Re:the school district model</title>
	<author>drsquare</author>
	<datestamp>1262711040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>IMHO, getting rid of free coffee is a huge mistake. In the scheme of things it's a tiny expense and you're going to lose far more in terms of people bickering about the coffee fund, people running out "on break" to buy coffee, and the basic office environment.</p></div></blockquote><p>No chance of workers simply making their own damn coffee, like in every other workplace in the entire world? IT is no longer a glamour industry, it's just another job, and they can expect the same conditions as everyone else.</p></div>
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<tokenext>IMHO , getting rid of free coffee is a huge mistake .
In the scheme of things it 's a tiny expense and you 're going to lose far more in terms of people bickering about the coffee fund , people running out " on break " to buy coffee , and the basic office environment.No chance of workers simply making their own damn coffee , like in every other workplace in the entire world ?
IT is no longer a glamour industry , it 's just another job , and they can expect the same conditions as everyone else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IMHO, getting rid of free coffee is a huge mistake.
In the scheme of things it's a tiny expense and you're going to lose far more in terms of people bickering about the coffee fund, people running out "on break" to buy coffee, and the basic office environment.No chance of workers simply making their own damn coffee, like in every other workplace in the entire world?
IT is no longer a glamour industry, it's just another job, and they can expect the same conditions as everyone else.
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-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30664484
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30655410
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30656280
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30661054
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--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30661764
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30666078
---http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30671452
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-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_05_1418240.30659174
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