<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_02_1636212</id>
	<title>China Moving To Restrict Neodymium Supply</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1262456880000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>GuyFawkes writes with this quote from the Independent:
<i>"Britain and other Western countries risk running out of supplies of certain highly sought-after rare metals that are vital to a host of green technologies, amid growing evidence that China, which has a monopoly on global production, is <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/concern-as-china-clamps-down-on-rare-earth-exports-1855387.html">set to choke off exports of valuable compounds</a>. Failure to secure alternative long-term sources of rare earth elements (REEs) would affect the manufacturing and development of low-carbon technology, which relies on the unique properties of the 17 metals to mass-produce eco-friendly innovations such as wind turbines and low-energy light bulbs. China, whose mines account for 97 per cent of global supplies, is trying to ensure that all raw REE materials are processed within its borders. During the past seven years it has reduced by 40 per cent the amount of rare earths available for export."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>GuyFawkes writes with this quote from the Independent : " Britain and other Western countries risk running out of supplies of certain highly sought-after rare metals that are vital to a host of green technologies , amid growing evidence that China , which has a monopoly on global production , is set to choke off exports of valuable compounds .
Failure to secure alternative long-term sources of rare earth elements ( REEs ) would affect the manufacturing and development of low-carbon technology , which relies on the unique properties of the 17 metals to mass-produce eco-friendly innovations such as wind turbines and low-energy light bulbs .
China , whose mines account for 97 per cent of global supplies , is trying to ensure that all raw REE materials are processed within its borders .
During the past seven years it has reduced by 40 per cent the amount of rare earths available for export .
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<sentencetext>GuyFawkes writes with this quote from the Independent:
"Britain and other Western countries risk running out of supplies of certain highly sought-after rare metals that are vital to a host of green technologies, amid growing evidence that China, which has a monopoly on global production, is set to choke off exports of valuable compounds.
Failure to secure alternative long-term sources of rare earth elements (REEs) would affect the manufacturing and development of low-carbon technology, which relies on the unique properties of the 17 metals to mass-produce eco-friendly innovations such as wind turbines and low-energy light bulbs.
China, whose mines account for 97 per cent of global supplies, is trying to ensure that all raw REE materials are processed within its borders.
During the past seven years it has reduced by 40 per cent the amount of rare earths available for export.
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625932</id>
	<title>Re:not so green, huh?</title>
	<author>DriedClexler</author>
	<datestamp>1262426040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>According to wikipedia, this entire article is just silly. Neodymium is not rare, nor only occurring in China</p></div><p>Um, just make sure the last hundred or so edits aren't from Chinese addresses...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to wikipedia , this entire article is just silly .
Neodymium is not rare , nor only occurring in ChinaUm , just make sure the last hundred or so edits are n't from Chinese addresses.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to wikipedia, this entire article is just silly.
Neodymium is not rare, nor only occurring in ChinaUm, just make sure the last hundred or so edits aren't from Chinese addresses...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30640382</id>
	<title>Re:Rare Earths Not Necessarily Rare</title>
	<author>marcuz</author>
	<datestamp>1262619360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>it takes many years to build a mine...</htmltext>
<tokenext>it takes many years to build a mine.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it takes many years to build a mine...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30627088</id>
	<title>Old news; I wrote about this last year</title>
	<author>WindBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1262433360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>China is cornering a NUMBER of important minerals. Sadly, the west is not taking notice. We still have idiots running around on this site claiming that this is not a big deal, even though this is PRECISELY the kind of actions that lead to wars (restriction of access to goods). Most nations can handle having goods go up in prices, and then they will find alternatives (bring it in-house, etc), but having a gov. actually buying up rare earth mines for the last 10 year and then shutting them down, or sending all the output back to that govs is a fast way to cause the rest of the world to call it quits with working with that nation.<br> <br>That is also why 6 months ago, I was suggesting sending sats to asteroids to start mapping these and figuring out what resources are where. We need the ability to know where we can get resources when they are needed.  Sadly, we are quickly headed there.<br> <br>One last thought, Australia has several new rare earth mines that China tried VERY HARD to buy, but the Australian gov shut that down. But it turns out that several American companies have found rare earth ores in North America (America and Canada). Not sure what the contents or to what percentage, but at least that will allow the west to keep going without seeing wars come around until we can find it elsewhere.</htmltext>
<tokenext>China is cornering a NUMBER of important minerals .
Sadly , the west is not taking notice .
We still have idiots running around on this site claiming that this is not a big deal , even though this is PRECISELY the kind of actions that lead to wars ( restriction of access to goods ) .
Most nations can handle having goods go up in prices , and then they will find alternatives ( bring it in-house , etc ) , but having a gov .
actually buying up rare earth mines for the last 10 year and then shutting them down , or sending all the output back to that govs is a fast way to cause the rest of the world to call it quits with working with that nation .
That is also why 6 months ago , I was suggesting sending sats to asteroids to start mapping these and figuring out what resources are where .
We need the ability to know where we can get resources when they are needed .
Sadly , we are quickly headed there .
One last thought , Australia has several new rare earth mines that China tried VERY HARD to buy , but the Australian gov shut that down .
But it turns out that several American companies have found rare earth ores in North America ( America and Canada ) .
Not sure what the contents or to what percentage , but at least that will allow the west to keep going without seeing wars come around until we can find it elsewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China is cornering a NUMBER of important minerals.
Sadly, the west is not taking notice.
We still have idiots running around on this site claiming that this is not a big deal, even though this is PRECISELY the kind of actions that lead to wars (restriction of access to goods).
Most nations can handle having goods go up in prices, and then they will find alternatives (bring it in-house, etc), but having a gov.
actually buying up rare earth mines for the last 10 year and then shutting them down, or sending all the output back to that govs is a fast way to cause the rest of the world to call it quits with working with that nation.
That is also why 6 months ago, I was suggesting sending sats to asteroids to start mapping these and figuring out what resources are where.
We need the ability to know where we can get resources when they are needed.
Sadly, we are quickly headed there.
One last thought, Australia has several new rare earth mines that China tried VERY HARD to buy, but the Australian gov shut that down.
But it turns out that several American companies have found rare earth ores in North America (America and Canada).
Not sure what the contents or to what percentage, but at least that will allow the west to keep going without seeing wars come around until we can find it elsewhere.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625222</id>
	<title>Re:not so green, huh?</title>
	<author>spectrokid</author>
	<datestamp>1262464980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>with countries like Poland, who have just absolutely amazing self-reliant and vibrant communities, already leading the way in that regard, having not really changed their way of living for centuries in the first place as "technology" passed them by</p></div><p> Huh? Ever been to Poland in the last 10 years?  They are still poorer than the rest of Europe, but catching up fast.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>with countries like Poland , who have just absolutely amazing self-reliant and vibrant communities , already leading the way in that regard , having not really changed their way of living for centuries in the first place as " technology " passed them by Huh ?
Ever been to Poland in the last 10 years ?
They are still poorer than the rest of Europe , but catching up fast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>with countries like Poland, who have just absolutely amazing self-reliant and vibrant communities, already leading the way in that regard, having not really changed their way of living for centuries in the first place as "technology" passed them by Huh?
Ever been to Poland in the last 10 years?
They are still poorer than the rest of Europe, but catching up fast.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30627512</id>
	<title>Re:Well if that's not a case for invasion</title>
	<author>Svartormr</author>
	<datestamp>1262436120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...which all started because the Chinese would only export their goods for gold and otherwise restricted trade with foreigners.  So when looking for something to sell to the Chinese despite the Chinese government, British traders turned to opium.  China didn't like that, and so on, and so on...and then invasion!</htmltext>
<tokenext>...which all started because the Chinese would only export their goods for gold and otherwise restricted trade with foreigners .
So when looking for something to sell to the Chinese despite the Chinese government , British traders turned to opium .
China did n't like that , and so on , and so on...and then invasion !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...which all started because the Chinese would only export their goods for gold and otherwise restricted trade with foreigners.
So when looking for something to sell to the Chinese despite the Chinese government, British traders turned to opium.
China didn't like that, and so on, and so on...and then invasion!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30626766</id>
	<title>Re:Rare Earths Not Necessarily Rare</title>
	<author>cusco</author>
	<datestamp>1262431140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Any idea how long it takes to get a mine and then a refinery operational, or how much it costs?  Years and tens if not hundreds of millions even if all regulations and NIMBY considerations are left out.  And once those mines are operational what's to stop the Chinese from flooding the market with metals for a year or two, collapsing the price and bankrupting the mines?  The international producer cartels can keep the market for petroleum, gold and gemstones artificially controlled, but there is no such beast for rare earths and every incentive for the Chinese to prevent the creation of one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Any idea how long it takes to get a mine and then a refinery operational , or how much it costs ?
Years and tens if not hundreds of millions even if all regulations and NIMBY considerations are left out .
And once those mines are operational what 's to stop the Chinese from flooding the market with metals for a year or two , collapsing the price and bankrupting the mines ?
The international producer cartels can keep the market for petroleum , gold and gemstones artificially controlled , but there is no such beast for rare earths and every incentive for the Chinese to prevent the creation of one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any idea how long it takes to get a mine and then a refinery operational, or how much it costs?
Years and tens if not hundreds of millions even if all regulations and NIMBY considerations are left out.
And once those mines are operational what's to stop the Chinese from flooding the market with metals for a year or two, collapsing the price and bankrupting the mines?
The international producer cartels can keep the market for petroleum, gold and gemstones artificially controlled, but there is no such beast for rare earths and every incentive for the Chinese to prevent the creation of one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624532</id>
	<title>Proof free trade is a failure.</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1262460900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The whole point of free trade was to unlink, fundamentally, resources from national ownership.  Now that the Chinese have crossed the rubicon on the basic issue of access to materials on open markets, what is really the point of pretending that they are genuinely interested in free trade?   Do we still want to pretend that they are interested in moving towards western liberalism.  As much as Republicans called liberals Chamberlins on other issues, conservatives still ignoring the growing failure of free trade with the east are really, fundamentally, the genuine Chamberlins of our day.  I hope they choke on their Walmart stock.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The whole point of free trade was to unlink , fundamentally , resources from national ownership .
Now that the Chinese have crossed the rubicon on the basic issue of access to materials on open markets , what is really the point of pretending that they are genuinely interested in free trade ?
Do we still want to pretend that they are interested in moving towards western liberalism .
As much as Republicans called liberals Chamberlins on other issues , conservatives still ignoring the growing failure of free trade with the east are really , fundamentally , the genuine Chamberlins of our day .
I hope they choke on their Walmart stock .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The whole point of free trade was to unlink, fundamentally, resources from national ownership.
Now that the Chinese have crossed the rubicon on the basic issue of access to materials on open markets, what is really the point of pretending that they are genuinely interested in free trade?
Do we still want to pretend that they are interested in moving towards western liberalism.
As much as Republicans called liberals Chamberlins on other issues, conservatives still ignoring the growing failure of free trade with the east are really, fundamentally, the genuine Chamberlins of our day.
I hope they choke on their Walmart stock.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625236</id>
	<title>Time for the weekly China bashing article, I see</title>
	<author>Petkov</author>
	<datestamp>1262465040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I dunno whats more funny: idiots here who still use
words such as "free trade" when describing USA or idiots who are going along with the corporate owned media in bashing CHina when it's obvious this is just another article to create some kinda problem to try to impose some kinda sanctions on CHina at WTO level.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno whats more funny : idiots here who still use words such as " free trade " when describing USA or idiots who are going along with the corporate owned media in bashing CHina when it 's obvious this is just another article to create some kinda problem to try to impose some kinda sanctions on CHina at WTO level .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno whats more funny: idiots here who still use
words such as "free trade" when describing USA or idiots who are going along with the corporate owned media in bashing CHina when it's obvious this is just another article to create some kinda problem to try to impose some kinda sanctions on CHina at WTO level.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30629970</id>
	<title>Re:Get ready to kneel</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1262462040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Obama has 10,000 nukes that say he can bow to whoever he wants, without being inferior. <br> <br>
Seriously, it's just a bow, if he feels he wants to bow, let him bow.  Until China is actually a stronger country, everyone will realize that China is not actually a stronger country.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Obama has 10,000 nukes that say he can bow to whoever he wants , without being inferior .
Seriously , it 's just a bow , if he feels he wants to bow , let him bow .
Until China is actually a stronger country , everyone will realize that China is not actually a stronger country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obama has 10,000 nukes that say he can bow to whoever he wants, without being inferior.
Seriously, it's just a bow, if he feels he wants to bow, let him bow.
Until China is actually a stronger country, everyone will realize that China is not actually a stronger country.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625370</id>
	<title>Holy GREENmail, Batman!!!</title>
	<author>bartwol</author>
	<datestamp>1262465820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another dastardly country is about to exploit its natural resources to its own advantage...what if other countries follow suit???!!! I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN LIVE THAT WAY, BATMAN!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another dastardly country is about to exploit its natural resources to its own advantage...what if other countries follow suit ? ? ? ! ! !
I DO N'T KNOW IF I CAN LIVE THAT WAY , BATMAN ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another dastardly country is about to exploit its natural resources to its own advantage...what if other countries follow suit???!!!
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN LIVE THAT WAY, BATMAN!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30628616</id>
	<title>Re:and why not ?</title>
	<author>drsquare</author>
	<datestamp>1262446380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I would rather ask what we did wrong so it could come to this, what our faults were concerning the trade balance, national debts, tax, regulations, protective tariffs and all that.</p></div></blockquote><p>America hasn't done anything wrong, it's just that everyone else has caught up. The US being the sole economic and military superpower was just a temporary blip in history. China is just returning to where it was centuries ago, and the US is returning to being just another first-world nation.</p><p>Bear in mind that the US only achieved its superpower status by default after the rest of the world was destroyed by two world wars. Unless there's a third, I can't see the current trends changing.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would rather ask what we did wrong so it could come to this , what our faults were concerning the trade balance , national debts , tax , regulations , protective tariffs and all that.America has n't done anything wrong , it 's just that everyone else has caught up .
The US being the sole economic and military superpower was just a temporary blip in history .
China is just returning to where it was centuries ago , and the US is returning to being just another first-world nation.Bear in mind that the US only achieved its superpower status by default after the rest of the world was destroyed by two world wars .
Unless there 's a third , I ca n't see the current trends changing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would rather ask what we did wrong so it could come to this, what our faults were concerning the trade balance, national debts, tax, regulations, protective tariffs and all that.America hasn't done anything wrong, it's just that everyone else has caught up.
The US being the sole economic and military superpower was just a temporary blip in history.
China is just returning to where it was centuries ago, and the US is returning to being just another first-world nation.Bear in mind that the US only achieved its superpower status by default after the rest of the world was destroyed by two world wars.
Unless there's a third, I can't see the current trends changing.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30626592</id>
	<title>Re:not so green, huh?</title>
	<author>cusco</author>
	<datestamp>1262430000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I take it you have large investments in shovel factories then?  A shift of this type would mean the starvation of at least a couple of billion people, although the survivors would certainly have a more sustainable economy and lifestyle.<br> <br>

I'm not actually disagreeing with your proposal, just pointing out what it will take to implement it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I take it you have large investments in shovel factories then ?
A shift of this type would mean the starvation of at least a couple of billion people , although the survivors would certainly have a more sustainable economy and lifestyle .
I 'm not actually disagreeing with your proposal , just pointing out what it will take to implement it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I take it you have large investments in shovel factories then?
A shift of this type would mean the starvation of at least a couple of billion people, although the survivors would certainly have a more sustainable economy and lifestyle.
I'm not actually disagreeing with your proposal, just pointing out what it will take to implement it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30627560</id>
	<title>Alkane</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262436480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Something tells me Alkane [ www.alkane.com.au ] will be going up in value soon!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Something tells me Alkane [ www.alkane.com.au ] will be going up in value soon !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something tells me Alkane [ www.alkane.com.au ] will be going up in value soon!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30626696</id>
	<title>Re:and why not ?</title>
	<author>QuoteMstr</author>
	<datestamp>1262430600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you propose lowing our standards to those of China?</p><p>That's not fighting back. That's capitulation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you propose lowing our standards to those of China ? That 's not fighting back .
That 's capitulation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you propose lowing our standards to those of China?That's not fighting back.
That's capitulation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625914</id>
	<title>China restricts Freedom in Tibet-by Occupying it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262425860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dear State Funded Trolls,</p><p>we know you are out there and no matter how long you tell your fibs-we will bear witness to that-peacefully.</p><p>Your colonization of Tibet is as obvious and will fail, as has the Tiananmen Square massiacre. Freedoms flame lingers.</p><p>Leave Tibet peacefully.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear State Funded Trolls,we know you are out there and no matter how long you tell your fibs-we will bear witness to that-peacefully.Your colonization of Tibet is as obvious and will fail , as has the Tiananmen Square massiacre .
Freedoms flame lingers.Leave Tibet peacefully .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear State Funded Trolls,we know you are out there and no matter how long you tell your fibs-we will bear witness to that-peacefully.Your colonization of Tibet is as obvious and will fail, as has the Tiananmen Square massiacre.
Freedoms flame lingers.Leave Tibet peacefully.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30628642</id>
	<title>Re:and why not ?</title>
	<author>level\_headed\_midwest</author>
	<datestamp>1262446800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, they're called "politicians."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , they 're called " politicians .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, they're called "politicians.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30627632</id>
	<title>Problematic</title>
	<author>Xaero\_Vincent</author>
	<datestamp>1262437020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is an issue of natural resources.

China has the right to restrict exports of their raw materials; they'll have to because by 2012, some of the major rare-earth mines will be nearly exhausted in China. Motors and generators don't need to use rare-earth magnets; they can use ceramic or no magnets at all. Car alternators use no magnets as I understand, but they aren't very efficient either.

Battery powered and hybrid vehicles may green but there is even concerns for peak Lithium (Lithium ion batteries) and even the supply of lead for lead-acid batteries will be gone in 30-40 years. The supply of lead will end much sooner if off-grid solar power takes off because of the use of deep-cycle lead-acid battery banks. Fuel cell vehicles with average-efficiency electric motors may be feasible.

We may be able to work-around dwindling raw resources using other materials that will eventually dwindle. The only sustainable solution is adopt the lifestyle of the Amish. Using real horsepower buggies, mechanical energy from water wheels and donkeys, lighting/heating from lanterns, torches, and wood stoves will curb the demand for materials used for electricity production and storage.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is an issue of natural resources .
China has the right to restrict exports of their raw materials ; they 'll have to because by 2012 , some of the major rare-earth mines will be nearly exhausted in China .
Motors and generators do n't need to use rare-earth magnets ; they can use ceramic or no magnets at all .
Car alternators use no magnets as I understand , but they are n't very efficient either .
Battery powered and hybrid vehicles may green but there is even concerns for peak Lithium ( Lithium ion batteries ) and even the supply of lead for lead-acid batteries will be gone in 30-40 years .
The supply of lead will end much sooner if off-grid solar power takes off because of the use of deep-cycle lead-acid battery banks .
Fuel cell vehicles with average-efficiency electric motors may be feasible .
We may be able to work-around dwindling raw resources using other materials that will eventually dwindle .
The only sustainable solution is adopt the lifestyle of the Amish .
Using real horsepower buggies , mechanical energy from water wheels and donkeys , lighting/heating from lanterns , torches , and wood stoves will curb the demand for materials used for electricity production and storage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is an issue of natural resources.
China has the right to restrict exports of their raw materials; they'll have to because by 2012, some of the major rare-earth mines will be nearly exhausted in China.
Motors and generators don't need to use rare-earth magnets; they can use ceramic or no magnets at all.
Car alternators use no magnets as I understand, but they aren't very efficient either.
Battery powered and hybrid vehicles may green but there is even concerns for peak Lithium (Lithium ion batteries) and even the supply of lead for lead-acid batteries will be gone in 30-40 years.
The supply of lead will end much sooner if off-grid solar power takes off because of the use of deep-cycle lead-acid battery banks.
Fuel cell vehicles with average-efficiency electric motors may be feasible.
We may be able to work-around dwindling raw resources using other materials that will eventually dwindle.
The only sustainable solution is adopt the lifestyle of the Amish.
Using real horsepower buggies, mechanical energy from water wheels and donkeys, lighting/heating from lanterns, torches, and wood stoves will curb the demand for materials used for electricity production and storage.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30626394</id>
	<title>Re:and why not ?</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1262428800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We fought the Cold War to make a Capitalist world, so we have no room to bitch if others play Capitalist hardball.</p><p>We should be doing the very same thing. We should lower wages to compete because if we don't we'll lose the jobs anyway. We should educate our people to be productive workers, not encourage bullshit degrees that don't land jobs. (This could be implemented by restricting student loan to science, engineering, medical, and useful vocational coursed. Hobbies can be pursued on one's own dime.)</p><p>Business is war. If we want the welfare state we seem to be heading towards, we need to be phenomenally productive to afford it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We fought the Cold War to make a Capitalist world , so we have no room to bitch if others play Capitalist hardball.We should be doing the very same thing .
We should lower wages to compete because if we do n't we 'll lose the jobs anyway .
We should educate our people to be productive workers , not encourage bullshit degrees that do n't land jobs .
( This could be implemented by restricting student loan to science , engineering , medical , and useful vocational coursed .
Hobbies can be pursued on one 's own dime .
) Business is war .
If we want the welfare state we seem to be heading towards , we need to be phenomenally productive to afford it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We fought the Cold War to make a Capitalist world, so we have no room to bitch if others play Capitalist hardball.We should be doing the very same thing.
We should lower wages to compete because if we don't we'll lose the jobs anyway.
We should educate our people to be productive workers, not encourage bullshit degrees that don't land jobs.
(This could be implemented by restricting student loan to science, engineering, medical, and useful vocational coursed.
Hobbies can be pursued on one's own dime.
)Business is war.
If we want the welfare state we seem to be heading towards, we need to be phenomenally productive to afford it!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30626176</id>
	<title>Re:Get ready to kneel</title>
	<author>phoenix321</author>
	<datestamp>1262427540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's three possible hierarchies in Asia: superior, inferior and worthless. Only the inferior are allowed to pay tribute.

But are of course people of equal hierarchy level meeting each other sometimes, so there must be rules concerning such an occasion, Confucian or otherwise. Anyone enlightened here to clear that up?</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's three possible hierarchies in Asia : superior , inferior and worthless .
Only the inferior are allowed to pay tribute .
But are of course people of equal hierarchy level meeting each other sometimes , so there must be rules concerning such an occasion , Confucian or otherwise .
Anyone enlightened here to clear that up ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's three possible hierarchies in Asia: superior, inferior and worthless.
Only the inferior are allowed to pay tribute.
But are of course people of equal hierarchy level meeting each other sometimes, so there must be rules concerning such an occasion, Confucian or otherwise.
Anyone enlightened here to clear that up?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30626998</id>
	<title>Re:and why not ?</title>
	<author>kramulous</author>
	<datestamp>1262432880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have an extremely small percentage of extremely powerful people whose greed knows no bounds.  Ethics and morality are completely non-existent; except of course for their elite families.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have an extremely small percentage of extremely powerful people whose greed knows no bounds .
Ethics and morality are completely non-existent ; except of course for their elite families .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have an extremely small percentage of extremely powerful people whose greed knows no bounds.
Ethics and morality are completely non-existent; except of course for their elite families.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625186</id>
	<title>Re:not so green, huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262464800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>very gooood.  i think this is highly amusing, on several fronts.  the first is just the irony of the country touted as having "A Bad Human Rights Record" (when in fact they are just using common sense to keep control over 1.3 billion people) happens to now hold a damocles sword over the rest of the world if it wants to go "green".</p></div><p>According to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodynium#Occurrence\_and\_production" title="wikipedia.org">wikipedia</a> [wikipedia.org], this entire article is just silly. Neodymium is not rare, nor only occurring in China.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>very gooood .
i think this is highly amusing , on several fronts .
the first is just the irony of the country touted as having " A Bad Human Rights Record " ( when in fact they are just using common sense to keep control over 1.3 billion people ) happens to now hold a damocles sword over the rest of the world if it wants to go " green " .According to wikipedia [ wikipedia.org ] , this entire article is just silly .
Neodymium is not rare , nor only occurring in China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>very gooood.
i think this is highly amusing, on several fronts.
the first is just the irony of the country touted as having "A Bad Human Rights Record" (when in fact they are just using common sense to keep control over 1.3 billion people) happens to now hold a damocles sword over the rest of the world if it wants to go "green".According to wikipedia [wikipedia.org], this entire article is just silly.
Neodymium is not rare, nor only occurring in China.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624800</id>
	<title>There ARE Alternatives</title>
	<author>Greg Hullender</author>
	<datestamp>1262462520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>A lot of the reliance on neodymium has been because it was cheap. Apparently there was a big switch to it from cobalt some years ago because cobalt had got expensive due to unreliable suppliers.<p>
<a href="http://www.choruscars.com/Chorus\_NEO\_WhitePaper.pdf" title="choruscars.com">http://www.choruscars.com/Chorus\_NEO\_WhitePaper.pdf</a> [choruscars.com]
</p><p>
There are plenty of prospective or former mines around the world; it's just that China was so much cheaper that it made little or no sense to exploit those sites until now.
</p><p>
The real trouble here is the sudden change in price, but at the rate demand for it has been going up, it seems inevitable that engineers are going to need to find alternatives to it -- regardless of what China does.
</p><p>
--Greg</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of the reliance on neodymium has been because it was cheap .
Apparently there was a big switch to it from cobalt some years ago because cobalt had got expensive due to unreliable suppliers .
http : //www.choruscars.com/Chorus \ _NEO \ _WhitePaper.pdf [ choruscars.com ] There are plenty of prospective or former mines around the world ; it 's just that China was so much cheaper that it made little or no sense to exploit those sites until now .
The real trouble here is the sudden change in price , but at the rate demand for it has been going up , it seems inevitable that engineers are going to need to find alternatives to it -- regardless of what China does .
--Greg</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of the reliance on neodymium has been because it was cheap.
Apparently there was a big switch to it from cobalt some years ago because cobalt had got expensive due to unreliable suppliers.
http://www.choruscars.com/Chorus\_NEO\_WhitePaper.pdf [choruscars.com]

There are plenty of prospective or former mines around the world; it's just that China was so much cheaper that it made little or no sense to exploit those sites until now.
The real trouble here is the sudden change in price, but at the rate demand for it has been going up, it seems inevitable that engineers are going to need to find alternatives to it -- regardless of what China does.
--Greg</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625258</id>
	<title>Is it just me..</title>
	<author>damburger</author>
	<datestamp>1262465160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or does the summary sound like a briefing from a C&amp;C Generals mod? Is it just a coincidence that high tech devices require an element with an abnormally sci-fi sounding name?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or does the summary sound like a briefing from a C&amp;C Generals mod ?
Is it just a coincidence that high tech devices require an element with an abnormally sci-fi sounding name ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or does the summary sound like a briefing from a C&amp;C Generals mod?
Is it just a coincidence that high tech devices require an element with an abnormally sci-fi sounding name?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30630392</id>
	<title>Another reason</title>
	<author>Trogre</author>
	<datestamp>1262511780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yet another reason to stop buying crap made in China - "Designed" in California or otherwise.</p><p>In my country I at least have a choice.  I hope you do too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet another reason to stop buying crap made in China - " Designed " in California or otherwise.In my country I at least have a choice .
I hope you do too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet another reason to stop buying crap made in China - "Designed" in California or otherwise.In my country I at least have a choice.
I hope you do too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30626642</id>
	<title>California Has Enough a Neodynmium</title>
	<author>mycal</author>
	<datestamp>1262430360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>California Has Enough a Neodynmium at the  Mountain Pass Mine to supply all US needs for the foreseeable future.  Though the environmental movement has shut down the mine, it can be opened back up in very little time to provide these materials to the US.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>California Has Enough a Neodynmium at the Mountain Pass Mine to supply all US needs for the foreseeable future .
Though the environmental movement has shut down the mine , it can be opened back up in very little time to provide these materials to the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>California Has Enough a Neodynmium at the  Mountain Pass Mine to supply all US needs for the foreseeable future.
Though the environmental movement has shut down the mine, it can be opened back up in very little time to provide these materials to the US.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625686</id>
	<title>Rare Earth Elements are not scarce like rare</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262424360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rare Earth Elements are not all that uncommon. At least that isn't why they are called rare.<br>They are called Rare because they are so non-reactive, unconcentrated that finding them is rare.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rare Earth Elements are not all that uncommon .
At least that is n't why they are called rare.They are called Rare because they are so non-reactive , unconcentrated that finding them is rare .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rare Earth Elements are not all that uncommon.
At least that isn't why they are called rare.They are called Rare because they are so non-reactive, unconcentrated that finding them is rare.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625046</id>
	<title>Re:Rare Earths Not Necessarily Rare</title>
	<author>Vellmont</author>
	<datestamp>1262463960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>This really isn't that big of a deal.</i><br>And it might even be a good thing for the United States long term.  Relying on one country for an important mineral is almost always a bad thing.  Doubly for a country like China that's we've not always been on the friendliest terms with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This really is n't that big of a deal.And it might even be a good thing for the United States long term .
Relying on one country for an important mineral is almost always a bad thing .
Doubly for a country like China that 's we 've not always been on the friendliest terms with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This really isn't that big of a deal.And it might even be a good thing for the United States long term.
Relying on one country for an important mineral is almost always a bad thing.
Doubly for a country like China that's we've not always been on the friendliest terms with.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30628688</id>
	<title>Never fear</title>
	<author>AHuxley</author>
	<datestamp>1262447400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The CIA can fix this.  Pakistan, separatists, quality scares, price fluctuations, small wars in Africa, cults and color revolutions.<br>
As the Germans sent Lenin into ww1 Russia, the CIA can send in NGO's, cults, fads, fashion, media, music, porn and drugs.<br>
All this will chip away at the CCP (Communist Party of China) as they keep their wages low to keep jobs and exports up.<br>So the CIA knows just where to put its efforts.<br>
China ia not India, with an election to at least have the public option to try and flush out the system.<br>
China is just the race for cash in a toxic wonderland.<br>
Sure they can hire smart people to build pretty things and export on demand, but deep down the Party is spooked.<br>
Their only trick is 'we fail, its all gone".  That works for a few decades, but its cracking.<br>So never worry, if things get tight in the West, the CIA and its whispered about friends can get your precious back, until then let China produce all your junk and keep the toxic mess far away.<br>
Africa is the key and expect to see many 'anti terror' wars on some really nice soil thats just waiting to be mined.<br>
China is trying to buy up all it can, but Africa is the CIA's playground.<br>
For every cold war dictator who get roads for mines from China, a band of freedom fighters are learning and cashed up by CIA front groups. <br>If that fails, turn on clan, group, tribe on another and watch the mines burn. <br> Then send in the NGO's.   All past contracts will be useless in a new democracy<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>The CIA can fix this .
Pakistan , separatists , quality scares , price fluctuations , small wars in Africa , cults and color revolutions .
As the Germans sent Lenin into ww1 Russia , the CIA can send in NGO 's , cults , fads , fashion , media , music , porn and drugs .
All this will chip away at the CCP ( Communist Party of China ) as they keep their wages low to keep jobs and exports up.So the CIA knows just where to put its efforts .
China ia not India , with an election to at least have the public option to try and flush out the system .
China is just the race for cash in a toxic wonderland .
Sure they can hire smart people to build pretty things and export on demand , but deep down the Party is spooked .
Their only trick is 'we fail , its all gone " .
That works for a few decades , but its cracking.So never worry , if things get tight in the West , the CIA and its whispered about friends can get your precious back , until then let China produce all your junk and keep the toxic mess far away .
Africa is the key and expect to see many 'anti terror ' wars on some really nice soil thats just waiting to be mined .
China is trying to buy up all it can , but Africa is the CIA 's playground .
For every cold war dictator who get roads for mines from China , a band of freedom fighters are learning and cashed up by CIA front groups .
If that fails , turn on clan , group , tribe on another and watch the mines burn .
Then send in the NGO 's .
All past contracts will be useless in a new democracy : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The CIA can fix this.
Pakistan, separatists, quality scares, price fluctuations, small wars in Africa, cults and color revolutions.
As the Germans sent Lenin into ww1 Russia, the CIA can send in NGO's, cults, fads, fashion, media, music, porn and drugs.
All this will chip away at the CCP (Communist Party of China) as they keep their wages low to keep jobs and exports up.So the CIA knows just where to put its efforts.
China ia not India, with an election to at least have the public option to try and flush out the system.
China is just the race for cash in a toxic wonderland.
Sure they can hire smart people to build pretty things and export on demand, but deep down the Party is spooked.
Their only trick is 'we fail, its all gone".
That works for a few decades, but its cracking.So never worry, if things get tight in the West, the CIA and its whispered about friends can get your precious back, until then let China produce all your junk and keep the toxic mess far away.
Africa is the key and expect to see many 'anti terror' wars on some really nice soil thats just waiting to be mined.
China is trying to buy up all it can, but Africa is the CIA's playground.
For every cold war dictator who get roads for mines from China, a band of freedom fighters are learning and cashed up by CIA front groups.
If that fails, turn on clan, group, tribe on another and watch the mines burn.
Then send in the NGO's.
All past contracts will be useless in a new democracy :)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624528</id>
	<title>Well if that's not a case for invasion</title>
	<author>presidenteloco</author>
	<datestamp>1262460900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know what is.</p><p>After all, last time, all the Chinese did to warrant invasion by Britain was cut off the opium supply. (google it if doubtful.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know what is.After all , last time , all the Chinese did to warrant invasion by Britain was cut off the opium supply .
( google it if doubtful .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know what is.After all, last time, all the Chinese did to warrant invasion by Britain was cut off the opium supply.
(google it if doubtful.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625926</id>
	<title>Re:and why not ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262425920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you truly believe China is some sort of utopia, I'd recommend you move there.  And I'd recommend you move not to where the elite 10\% live, but where the average person lives, such as one of the rural provinces.  To experience "real" utopia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you truly believe China is some sort of utopia , I 'd recommend you move there .
And I 'd recommend you move not to where the elite 10 \ % live , but where the average person lives , such as one of the rural provinces .
To experience " real " utopia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you truly believe China is some sort of utopia, I'd recommend you move there.
And I'd recommend you move not to where the elite 10\% live, but where the average person lives, such as one of the rural provinces.
To experience "real" utopia.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625742</id>
	<title>Re:not so green, huh?</title>
	<author>Penguinisto</author>
	<datestamp>1262424660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>a return to subsistence-style living and community-driven societies</p></div><p>We have over 6bn people on this planet. If we all went back to subsistence farming, 3/4 or the world will begin to starve in very short order. Starving people tend to do weird things, like start wars, skirmishes, riots and things like that - over suddenly scarce resources (oh like, I dunno... food supplies , arable land, things like that?)</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...with countries like Poland, who have just absolutely amazing self-reliant and vibrant communities...</p></div><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...and a low enough population density to pull it off. I'm not seeing how Mumbai, Los Angeles or Tokyo can do this with any success, unless we offload the extra people - who still have to live somewhere. I also suspect that a suddenly starving German population would happily 'liberate' Poland's food production for their own use - and guess who would have the bigger guns and more desperate incentive with which to do it?</p><p>It's not a question of being lazy - it's a simple question of logistics that don't fit the paradigm, no matter how utopian and pretty it seems on the surface. There's also the the fact that a subsistence population tends to have astronomically higher birthrates, which tends to increase the pressures instead of alleviating them (but then with the return of disease and a higher child mortality rate, coupled with a lower life expectancy, who knows?)</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...are you ready for that change...</p></div><p>I suggest extra ammunition and a rather large stockpile of MRE's until the excess population either dies of starvation or kills each other off. Defensible modifications to your house would help as well. May want to move to a sparsely-populated area as well and ride it out there.</p><p>-OR-</p><p>I suggest that you've spent way too many evenings watching <a href="http://www.history.com/content/life\_after\_people" title="history.com">Life After People</a> [history.com] re-runs, and fantasizing about some sort of post-armageddon future where you get to re-populate a shattered Earth with a gaggle of cute chicks who look to you as some sort of leader... or similar. May not want to close on that farmhouse in Idaho just yet, though.</p><p>It is my contention that:</p><p>1) The whole "Peak Oil" thing is somewhat of a sham, given that technology is emerging beyond a dependence on petroleum (we should be there completely within a couple of decades under normal market conditions, and if oil does start to become scarce, I'm certain that we'll get there even sooner due to simple market pressures). That said, it does have its uses in getting people to move to cleaner tech sooner (and no, you don't necessarily need Chinese rare earth metals to do it - see also hydroelectricity, monocrystal photovoltaics, etc).</p><p>2) China isn't the one and only repository of rare earth metals on this planet - if sufficiently motivated, I suspect that other sources will be found and/or synthesized if need be. Also, there are alternate means of creating clean tech w/o using rare metals to do it - it's all a question of economics and need.</p><p>3) People have been constructing and selling apocalyptic vision ever since St. John wrote his version on the Isle of Patmos. May not want to hold your breath just yet.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>a return to subsistence-style living and community-driven societiesWe have over 6bn people on this planet .
If we all went back to subsistence farming , 3/4 or the world will begin to starve in very short order .
Starving people tend to do weird things , like start wars , skirmishes , riots and things like that - over suddenly scarce resources ( oh like , I dunno... food supplies , arable land , things like that ?
) ...with countries like Poland , who have just absolutely amazing self-reliant and vibrant communities... ...and a low enough population density to pull it off .
I 'm not seeing how Mumbai , Los Angeles or Tokyo can do this with any success , unless we offload the extra people - who still have to live somewhere .
I also suspect that a suddenly starving German population would happily 'liberate ' Poland 's food production for their own use - and guess who would have the bigger guns and more desperate incentive with which to do it ? It 's not a question of being lazy - it 's a simple question of logistics that do n't fit the paradigm , no matter how utopian and pretty it seems on the surface .
There 's also the the fact that a subsistence population tends to have astronomically higher birthrates , which tends to increase the pressures instead of alleviating them ( but then with the return of disease and a higher child mortality rate , coupled with a lower life expectancy , who knows ?
) ...are you ready for that change...I suggest extra ammunition and a rather large stockpile of MRE 's until the excess population either dies of starvation or kills each other off .
Defensible modifications to your house would help as well .
May want to move to a sparsely-populated area as well and ride it out there.-OR-I suggest that you 've spent way too many evenings watching Life After People [ history.com ] re-runs , and fantasizing about some sort of post-armageddon future where you get to re-populate a shattered Earth with a gaggle of cute chicks who look to you as some sort of leader... or similar .
May not want to close on that farmhouse in Idaho just yet , though.It is my contention that : 1 ) The whole " Peak Oil " thing is somewhat of a sham , given that technology is emerging beyond a dependence on petroleum ( we should be there completely within a couple of decades under normal market conditions , and if oil does start to become scarce , I 'm certain that we 'll get there even sooner due to simple market pressures ) .
That said , it does have its uses in getting people to move to cleaner tech sooner ( and no , you do n't necessarily need Chinese rare earth metals to do it - see also hydroelectricity , monocrystal photovoltaics , etc ) .2 ) China is n't the one and only repository of rare earth metals on this planet - if sufficiently motivated , I suspect that other sources will be found and/or synthesized if need be .
Also , there are alternate means of creating clean tech w/o using rare metals to do it - it 's all a question of economics and need.3 ) People have been constructing and selling apocalyptic vision ever since St. John wrote his version on the Isle of Patmos .
May not want to hold your breath just yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a return to subsistence-style living and community-driven societiesWe have over 6bn people on this planet.
If we all went back to subsistence farming, 3/4 or the world will begin to starve in very short order.
Starving people tend to do weird things, like start wars, skirmishes, riots and things like that - over suddenly scarce resources (oh like, I dunno... food supplies , arable land, things like that?
) ...with countries like Poland, who have just absolutely amazing self-reliant and vibrant communities... ...and a low enough population density to pull it off.
I'm not seeing how Mumbai, Los Angeles or Tokyo can do this with any success, unless we offload the extra people - who still have to live somewhere.
I also suspect that a suddenly starving German population would happily 'liberate' Poland's food production for their own use - and guess who would have the bigger guns and more desperate incentive with which to do it?It's not a question of being lazy - it's a simple question of logistics that don't fit the paradigm, no matter how utopian and pretty it seems on the surface.
There's also the the fact that a subsistence population tends to have astronomically higher birthrates, which tends to increase the pressures instead of alleviating them (but then with the return of disease and a higher child mortality rate, coupled with a lower life expectancy, who knows?
) ...are you ready for that change...I suggest extra ammunition and a rather large stockpile of MRE's until the excess population either dies of starvation or kills each other off.
Defensible modifications to your house would help as well.
May want to move to a sparsely-populated area as well and ride it out there.-OR-I suggest that you've spent way too many evenings watching Life After People [history.com] re-runs, and fantasizing about some sort of post-armageddon future where you get to re-populate a shattered Earth with a gaggle of cute chicks who look to you as some sort of leader... or similar.
May not want to close on that farmhouse in Idaho just yet, though.It is my contention that:1) The whole "Peak Oil" thing is somewhat of a sham, given that technology is emerging beyond a dependence on petroleum (we should be there completely within a couple of decades under normal market conditions, and if oil does start to become scarce, I'm certain that we'll get there even sooner due to simple market pressures).
That said, it does have its uses in getting people to move to cleaner tech sooner (and no, you don't necessarily need Chinese rare earth metals to do it - see also hydroelectricity, monocrystal photovoltaics, etc).2) China isn't the one and only repository of rare earth metals on this planet - if sufficiently motivated, I suspect that other sources will be found and/or synthesized if need be.
Also, there are alternate means of creating clean tech w/o using rare metals to do it - it's all a question of economics and need.3) People have been constructing and selling apocalyptic vision ever since St. John wrote his version on the Isle of Patmos.
May not want to hold your breath just yet.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624858</id>
	<title>SO?</title>
	<author>cdrguru</author>
	<datestamp>1262462880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What do you suppose the total use of "raw materials" in the US was in the last couple of years?  Likely as not, nearly zero.  Manufacturing of anything in the US has nearly ended and what manufacturing there is consists of putting parts together that were made in other countries.</p><p>So I guess you could say that Dell "manufactures" computers by taking the parts made in other countries and putting them together.  Does Dell make any of these parts?  No.</p><p>Most of the parts in cars which are assembled in the US come from somewhere else.  It is just an assembly job other than metal fabrication.</p><p>Face it, US labor has pretty much priced itself out of the global market.  It is cheaper to have the stuff made in China, Singapore or Malaysia and shipped here than it is to pay the incredible wages and benefits of US workers.  Pretty much the same for Western Europe, except they have a low-wage state right next door in Eastern Europe.</p><p>The 21st Century will be marked by decreasing pollution from manufacturing in the West and dumping all of the polluting industries into the third world where wages make it practical to do labor-intensive operations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What do you suppose the total use of " raw materials " in the US was in the last couple of years ?
Likely as not , nearly zero .
Manufacturing of anything in the US has nearly ended and what manufacturing there is consists of putting parts together that were made in other countries.So I guess you could say that Dell " manufactures " computers by taking the parts made in other countries and putting them together .
Does Dell make any of these parts ?
No.Most of the parts in cars which are assembled in the US come from somewhere else .
It is just an assembly job other than metal fabrication.Face it , US labor has pretty much priced itself out of the global market .
It is cheaper to have the stuff made in China , Singapore or Malaysia and shipped here than it is to pay the incredible wages and benefits of US workers .
Pretty much the same for Western Europe , except they have a low-wage state right next door in Eastern Europe.The 21st Century will be marked by decreasing pollution from manufacturing in the West and dumping all of the polluting industries into the third world where wages make it practical to do labor-intensive operations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What do you suppose the total use of "raw materials" in the US was in the last couple of years?
Likely as not, nearly zero.
Manufacturing of anything in the US has nearly ended and what manufacturing there is consists of putting parts together that were made in other countries.So I guess you could say that Dell "manufactures" computers by taking the parts made in other countries and putting them together.
Does Dell make any of these parts?
No.Most of the parts in cars which are assembled in the US come from somewhere else.
It is just an assembly job other than metal fabrication.Face it, US labor has pretty much priced itself out of the global market.
It is cheaper to have the stuff made in China, Singapore or Malaysia and shipped here than it is to pay the incredible wages and benefits of US workers.
Pretty much the same for Western Europe, except they have a low-wage state right next door in Eastern Europe.The 21st Century will be marked by decreasing pollution from manufacturing in the West and dumping all of the polluting industries into the third world where wages make it practical to do labor-intensive operations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625506</id>
	<title>Neodymium Extracted from Titanium Dioxide waste</title>
	<author>andersen</author>
	<datestamp>1262423340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fortunately, researchers from Leeds' Faculty of Engineering have discovered how to recover significant quantities of rare-earth oxides, present in titanium dioxide minerals....<br>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091215101708.htm</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fortunately , researchers from Leeds ' Faculty of Engineering have discovered how to recover significant quantities of rare-earth oxides , present in titanium dioxide minerals....http : //www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091215101708.htm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fortunately, researchers from Leeds' Faculty of Engineering have discovered how to recover significant quantities of rare-earth oxides, present in titanium dioxide minerals....http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091215101708.htm</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30627466</id>
	<title>Re:I sense military action in the future</title>
	<author>fnj</author>
	<datestamp>1262435820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Postulating military action by the US against the Chinese is woefully blind to reality, and in fact fills me with mirth.  The US can barely sustain action against whatever fraction of 28 million Afghanis, living in medieval conditions, is actually hostile.  The US talked big about 24 million well armed but economically devastated North Koreans, perhaps with a small handful of crude nuclear weapons, but when it came to action, demurred repeatedly.  As for 1.3 billion Chinese, armed with plenty of nuclear weapons, and with a huge industrial and economic engine, I believe the appropriate response is HA!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Postulating military action by the US against the Chinese is woefully blind to reality , and in fact fills me with mirth .
The US can barely sustain action against whatever fraction of 28 million Afghanis , living in medieval conditions , is actually hostile .
The US talked big about 24 million well armed but economically devastated North Koreans , perhaps with a small handful of crude nuclear weapons , but when it came to action , demurred repeatedly .
As for 1.3 billion Chinese , armed with plenty of nuclear weapons , and with a huge industrial and economic engine , I believe the appropriate response is HA !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Postulating military action by the US against the Chinese is woefully blind to reality, and in fact fills me with mirth.
The US can barely sustain action against whatever fraction of 28 million Afghanis, living in medieval conditions, is actually hostile.
The US talked big about 24 million well armed but economically devastated North Koreans, perhaps with a small handful of crude nuclear weapons, but when it came to action, demurred repeatedly.
As for 1.3 billion Chinese, armed with plenty of nuclear weapons, and with a huge industrial and economic engine, I believe the appropriate response is HA!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30626510</id>
	<title>Re:not so green, huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262429580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"they are just using common sense to keep control over 1.3 billion people"<br><br>nigga you stupid</htmltext>
<tokenext>" they are just using common sense to keep control over 1.3 billion people " nigga you stupid</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"they are just using common sense to keep control over 1.3 billion people"nigga you stupid</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624982</id>
	<title>Only one mine on earth?</title>
	<author>kill-1</author>
	<datestamp>1262463660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article says</p><blockquote><div><p>Nearly all of China's supply of rare earths comes from a single mine near the city of Baotou, in Inner Mongolia.</p></div></blockquote><p>I can't believe it would be a big problem to find those are earths somewhere else.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The article saysNearly all of China 's supply of rare earths comes from a single mine near the city of Baotou , in Inner Mongolia.I ca n't believe it would be a big problem to find those are earths somewhere else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article saysNearly all of China's supply of rare earths comes from a single mine near the city of Baotou, in Inner Mongolia.I can't believe it would be a big problem to find those are earths somewhere else.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624834</id>
	<title>Not that dire</title>
	<author>m.dillon</author>
	<datestamp>1262462760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All it really means is that products which currently require large amounts of rare earths will continue to evolve and require less of the stuff over time.  This has in fact already happened to some degree with mature technologies such as catalytic converters.  The same thing will happen with newer technologies.  An increase in the cost of rare earth materials will also push nanotech development over time, in particular nano-featured surfaces.</p><p>So it is hardly a catastrophe.</p><p>-Matt</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All it really means is that products which currently require large amounts of rare earths will continue to evolve and require less of the stuff over time .
This has in fact already happened to some degree with mature technologies such as catalytic converters .
The same thing will happen with newer technologies .
An increase in the cost of rare earth materials will also push nanotech development over time , in particular nano-featured surfaces.So it is hardly a catastrophe.-Matt</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All it really means is that products which currently require large amounts of rare earths will continue to evolve and require less of the stuff over time.
This has in fact already happened to some degree with mature technologies such as catalytic converters.
The same thing will happen with newer technologies.
An increase in the cost of rare earth materials will also push nanotech development over time, in particular nano-featured surfaces.So it is hardly a catastrophe.-Matt</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30629332</id>
	<title>Re:and why not ?</title>
	<author>hughperkins</author>
	<datestamp>1262454420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To be fair, China has 5 times as many people as the US.  At assymptote, if China and America income per individual is the same, then China has 5 times as much spending power, in aggregate.</p><p>Now, you could mention that Europe has a lot of people too, but American and China both have something that Europe doesn't, and it's not the Eiffel Tower, it is: a common, unified culture, a common unified communications protocol.</p><p>Europe is like the Tower of Babel.</p><p>Specifically, if you create a software company in America, to produce a 3d game let's say, you can hire the *best* graphics programmer out of 250 million people.</p><p>If you do that in France, the selection pool is a mere 60 million people.  Your company is straight away at a disadvantage.</p><p>China's selection pool is 1.2 *billion*.  That's a lot of people, and if we suppose that our standards of living and education are going to asymptotically approach each other over time, then Chinese companies will naturally have a huge and increasing advantage from this respect.</p><p>Of course, this is only one part of many issues, there are many other issues out there which blunt this analysis and temper it.  I guess my point is: it's perhaps normal and inevitable that China's economic power can gradually increase and eclipse that of the West, as long as China doesn't do anything silly.  Perhaps, *even* if they do something 'silly'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To be fair , China has 5 times as many people as the US .
At assymptote , if China and America income per individual is the same , then China has 5 times as much spending power , in aggregate.Now , you could mention that Europe has a lot of people too , but American and China both have something that Europe does n't , and it 's not the Eiffel Tower , it is : a common , unified culture , a common unified communications protocol.Europe is like the Tower of Babel.Specifically , if you create a software company in America , to produce a 3d game let 's say , you can hire the * best * graphics programmer out of 250 million people.If you do that in France , the selection pool is a mere 60 million people .
Your company is straight away at a disadvantage.China 's selection pool is 1.2 * billion * .
That 's a lot of people , and if we suppose that our standards of living and education are going to asymptotically approach each other over time , then Chinese companies will naturally have a huge and increasing advantage from this respect.Of course , this is only one part of many issues , there are many other issues out there which blunt this analysis and temper it .
I guess my point is : it 's perhaps normal and inevitable that China 's economic power can gradually increase and eclipse that of the West , as long as China does n't do anything silly .
Perhaps , * even * if they do something 'silly' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be fair, China has 5 times as many people as the US.
At assymptote, if China and America income per individual is the same, then China has 5 times as much spending power, in aggregate.Now, you could mention that Europe has a lot of people too, but American and China both have something that Europe doesn't, and it's not the Eiffel Tower, it is: a common, unified culture, a common unified communications protocol.Europe is like the Tower of Babel.Specifically, if you create a software company in America, to produce a 3d game let's say, you can hire the *best* graphics programmer out of 250 million people.If you do that in France, the selection pool is a mere 60 million people.
Your company is straight away at a disadvantage.China's selection pool is 1.2 *billion*.
That's a lot of people, and if we suppose that our standards of living and education are going to asymptotically approach each other over time, then Chinese companies will naturally have a huge and increasing advantage from this respect.Of course, this is only one part of many issues, there are many other issues out there which blunt this analysis and temper it.
I guess my point is: it's perhaps normal and inevitable that China's economic power can gradually increase and eclipse that of the West, as long as China doesn't do anything silly.
Perhaps, *even* if they do something 'silly'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625160</id>
	<title>Re:Rare Earths Not Necessarily Rare</title>
	<author>bucuo</author>
	<datestamp>1262464680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>This is true.  However, I would want to have at least a few mines operating when a crisis hits, as it's a substantial amount of time before a new mining operation can be executed in.  I don't know for certain but I'd guess probably 1-2 years, if we're in a hurry.  However, us Westerners would have to work like the Chinese, which is generally very very hard my friends.  As they might say, we might need to learn how to "eat a little bitter" in the meantime.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is true .
However , I would want to have at least a few mines operating when a crisis hits , as it 's a substantial amount of time before a new mining operation can be executed in .
I do n't know for certain but I 'd guess probably 1-2 years , if we 're in a hurry .
However , us Westerners would have to work like the Chinese , which is generally very very hard my friends .
As they might say , we might need to learn how to " eat a little bitter " in the meantime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is true.
However, I would want to have at least a few mines operating when a crisis hits, as it's a substantial amount of time before a new mining operation can be executed in.
I don't know for certain but I'd guess probably 1-2 years, if we're in a hurry.
However, us Westerners would have to work like the Chinese, which is generally very very hard my friends.
As they might say, we might need to learn how to "eat a little bitter" in the meantime.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624598</id>
	<title>Atmospheric</title>
	<author>pubwvj</author>
	<datestamp>1262461320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Bummer. I use super magnets with Neodymium. Prices will skyrocket.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bummer .
I use super magnets with Neodymium .
Prices will skyrocket .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bummer.
I use super magnets with Neodymium.
Prices will skyrocket.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624560</id>
	<title>Maybe more countries should keep what they have</title>
	<author>stilldead</author>
	<datestamp>1262461080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems to me that every country owns there own resources and it is a countries prerogative to keep them for them self.  That being said, turn around is fair game.  In the US, the interest of our citizens might be better served if we held on to a little more of our own resources instead of allowing them to be shipped off to the highest bidder with no return to any of us except the business who took them at pennies on the hundred dollar bill.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to me that every country owns there own resources and it is a countries prerogative to keep them for them self .
That being said , turn around is fair game .
In the US , the interest of our citizens might be better served if we held on to a little more of our own resources instead of allowing them to be shipped off to the highest bidder with no return to any of us except the business who took them at pennies on the hundred dollar bill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to me that every country owns there own resources and it is a countries prerogative to keep them for them self.
That being said, turn around is fair game.
In the US, the interest of our citizens might be better served if we held on to a little more of our own resources instead of allowing them to be shipped off to the highest bidder with no return to any of us except the business who took them at pennies on the hundred dollar bill.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625530</id>
	<title>Re:Proof free trade is a failure.</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1262423520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Free trade actually does work, but few people really want to be part of it due to greed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Free trade actually does work , but few people really want to be part of it due to greed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Free trade actually does work, but few people really want to be part of it due to greed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624972</id>
	<title>Re:Get ready to kneel</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262463660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>&gt;<em>China does not recognize and has no tradition of equality. Everybody is either superior or inferior.</em> </p><p>That would give them one more state than the US then, for whom all are inferior. Evidenced, ironically, by the very  'bowing incident' you allude to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; China does not recognize and has no tradition of equality .
Everybody is either superior or inferior .
That would give them one more state than the US then , for whom all are inferior .
Evidenced , ironically , by the very 'bowing incident ' you allude to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;China does not recognize and has no tradition of equality.
Everybody is either superior or inferior.
That would give them one more state than the US then, for whom all are inferior.
Evidenced, ironically, by the very  'bowing incident' you allude to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624824</id>
	<title>This is what happens...</title>
	<author>diewlasing</author>
	<datestamp>1262462700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...when we rely so heavily on China for its exports.  If they want to play this, levy tariffs on products coming from China (if they aren't going to ship anyway might as well show them how expensive their strong arming can be), and while we're at it, restrict their students coming to the US for education so they can't go back and show their countrymen how to process mined quantities or engineer mining safety equipment or safe mines.   </p><p>Hold them to higher standards also when it comes to mine safety.  There are probably some human rights violations going on in those "illegal" mines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...when we rely so heavily on China for its exports .
If they want to play this , levy tariffs on products coming from China ( if they are n't going to ship anyway might as well show them how expensive their strong arming can be ) , and while we 're at it , restrict their students coming to the US for education so they ca n't go back and show their countrymen how to process mined quantities or engineer mining safety equipment or safe mines .
Hold them to higher standards also when it comes to mine safety .
There are probably some human rights violations going on in those " illegal " mines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...when we rely so heavily on China for its exports.
If they want to play this, levy tariffs on products coming from China (if they aren't going to ship anyway might as well show them how expensive their strong arming can be), and while we're at it, restrict their students coming to the US for education so they can't go back and show their countrymen how to process mined quantities or engineer mining safety equipment or safe mines.
Hold them to higher standards also when it comes to mine safety.
There are probably some human rights violations going on in those "illegal" mines.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624700</id>
	<title>Time to Recycle important stuff like this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262461800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except in order to recover the rare materials in junked electronics we send them to...China because we've made it nearly impossible to conduct that business in the US. Of course now the focus of OSHA is to assist companies in complying rather than prosecuting them. Oh, wait, I was thinking of the Bush administration; Obama's Secretary of Labor has made it clear that they're "back in the enforcement business". I guess recycling isn't an option after all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except in order to recover the rare materials in junked electronics we send them to...China because we 've made it nearly impossible to conduct that business in the US .
Of course now the focus of OSHA is to assist companies in complying rather than prosecuting them .
Oh , wait , I was thinking of the Bush administration ; Obama 's Secretary of Labor has made it clear that they 're " back in the enforcement business " .
I guess recycling is n't an option after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except in order to recover the rare materials in junked electronics we send them to...China because we've made it nearly impossible to conduct that business in the US.
Of course now the focus of OSHA is to assist companies in complying rather than prosecuting them.
Oh, wait, I was thinking of the Bush administration; Obama's Secretary of Labor has made it clear that they're "back in the enforcement business".
I guess recycling isn't an option after all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625278</id>
	<title>Re:Rare Earths Not Necessarily Rare</title>
	<author>Darkman, Walkin Dude</author>
	<datestamp>1262465220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This really isn't that big of a deal.</p></div><p>I think politically is definetely is a big deal, giving us a good look at what China plans for the rest of the world.</p></div>
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<tokenext>This really is n't that big of a deal.I think politically is definetely is a big deal , giving us a good look at what China plans for the rest of the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This really isn't that big of a deal.I think politically is definetely is a big deal, giving us a good look at what China plans for the rest of the world.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30629026</id>
	<title>Mine the Belt!</title>
	<author>jdigriz</author>
	<datestamp>1262450520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good, China cornering the market on rare earth metals will make it highly profitable to mine asteroids for the same.  With the profits we can build a true spacefaring civilization and improve condition on Earth.

<a href="http://www.tricitiesnet.com/donsastronomy/mining.html" title="tricitiesnet.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tricitiesnet.com/donsastronomy/mining.html</a> [tricitiesnet.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good , China cornering the market on rare earth metals will make it highly profitable to mine asteroids for the same .
With the profits we can build a true spacefaring civilization and improve condition on Earth .
http : //www.tricitiesnet.com/donsastronomy/mining.html [ tricitiesnet.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good, China cornering the market on rare earth metals will make it highly profitable to mine asteroids for the same.
With the profits we can build a true spacefaring civilization and improve condition on Earth.
http://www.tricitiesnet.com/donsastronomy/mining.html [tricitiesnet.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625208</id>
	<title>Wanted: new age alchemist</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262464860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We'll just make neodymium out of lead.</p><p>So China is the new Microsoft. Copycat indeed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 'll just make neodymium out of lead.So China is the new Microsoft .
Copycat indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We'll just make neodymium out of lead.So China is the new Microsoft.
Copycat indeed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30626702</id>
	<title>Free trade is not about free trade!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262430660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's redistribution of wealth, wealth is streaming out of the US to China/India/Mexico/etc the thing Americans should have hated Bush over was continuing and even speeding up Clinton's destroy America China most favored nation trade status and the north american free trade crap.    For the last 40 years we should have taxed the hell out of everything from china and refused to send them any raw material, instead, we paid them to take our raw materials, and offered their crap tax free, while taxing the hell out of stuff made in America. This whole global warming green economy is just another way to redistribute  wealth to the places like dictator ships all over the world, after all the progressives hate the middle class, and there is no faster way to destroy the middle class than raising the cost of energy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's redistribution of wealth , wealth is streaming out of the US to China/India/Mexico/etc the thing Americans should have hated Bush over was continuing and even speeding up Clinton 's destroy America China most favored nation trade status and the north american free trade crap .
For the last 40 years we should have taxed the hell out of everything from china and refused to send them any raw material , instead , we paid them to take our raw materials , and offered their crap tax free , while taxing the hell out of stuff made in America .
This whole global warming green economy is just another way to redistribute wealth to the places like dictator ships all over the world , after all the progressives hate the middle class , and there is no faster way to destroy the middle class than raising the cost of energy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's redistribution of wealth, wealth is streaming out of the US to China/India/Mexico/etc the thing Americans should have hated Bush over was continuing and even speeding up Clinton's destroy America China most favored nation trade status and the north american free trade crap.
For the last 40 years we should have taxed the hell out of everything from china and refused to send them any raw material, instead, we paid them to take our raw materials, and offered their crap tax free, while taxing the hell out of stuff made in America.
This whole global warming green economy is just another way to redistribute  wealth to the places like dictator ships all over the world, after all the progressives hate the middle class, and there is no faster way to destroy the middle class than raising the cost of energy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625134</id>
	<title>Re:not so green, huh?</title>
	<author>Praseodymn</author>
	<datestamp>1262464500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> the first is just the irony of the country touted as having "A Bad Human Rights Record" (when in fact they are just using common sense to keep control over 1.3 billion people)</p></div><p>What the...?<br>People don't say that China has a bad human rights record because of the One Child Policy. They say that for, among other things, the One China Policy. Did you hear about the unrest of the Tibetans and the slaughter they endured as a result? Did you hear about the Uyghur towns in XinJiang Province wherein the government went in one day saying that everyone needs to be in their homes tomorrow or be shot and then coming through the next day and killing everyone on the streets?<br>You seem like a relatively informed person, did you hear about the rocket tests that destroyed entire towns?<br>How about the supremely corrupt officials covering up reports of lakes polluted to the point of poisoning absolutely every last person in the bordering towns?</p><p>Don't get me wrong. I love China. Wonderful place, great people, amazing food, and a beautiful land. But that government is abhorrent when it comes to treating its people right.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the first is just the irony of the country touted as having " A Bad Human Rights Record " ( when in fact they are just using common sense to keep control over 1.3 billion people ) What the... ? People do n't say that China has a bad human rights record because of the One Child Policy .
They say that for , among other things , the One China Policy .
Did you hear about the unrest of the Tibetans and the slaughter they endured as a result ?
Did you hear about the Uyghur towns in XinJiang Province wherein the government went in one day saying that everyone needs to be in their homes tomorrow or be shot and then coming through the next day and killing everyone on the streets ? You seem like a relatively informed person , did you hear about the rocket tests that destroyed entire towns ? How about the supremely corrupt officials covering up reports of lakes polluted to the point of poisoning absolutely every last person in the bordering towns ? Do n't get me wrong .
I love China .
Wonderful place , great people , amazing food , and a beautiful land .
But that government is abhorrent when it comes to treating its people right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> the first is just the irony of the country touted as having "A Bad Human Rights Record" (when in fact they are just using common sense to keep control over 1.3 billion people)What the...?People don't say that China has a bad human rights record because of the One Child Policy.
They say that for, among other things, the One China Policy.
Did you hear about the unrest of the Tibetans and the slaughter they endured as a result?
Did you hear about the Uyghur towns in XinJiang Province wherein the government went in one day saying that everyone needs to be in their homes tomorrow or be shot and then coming through the next day and killing everyone on the streets?You seem like a relatively informed person, did you hear about the rocket tests that destroyed entire towns?How about the supremely corrupt officials covering up reports of lakes polluted to the point of poisoning absolutely every last person in the bordering towns?Don't get me wrong.
I love China.
Wonderful place, great people, amazing food, and a beautiful land.
But that government is abhorrent when it comes to treating its people right.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30626192</id>
	<title>There are different takes.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262427660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At the end of WWII the industrialized world had been literally blown to pieces, except in the U.S. because the war hadn't reached any of our industrialized regions.  Additionally, major powers such as China and Russia began to experiment in earnest with Communism.  The U.S. was able to supply the world with what it needed and it prospered greatly, with 1950-1965 being one of the most prosperous periods in our history.  From the wealth gained out of this temporary position we decided that we would build a 'Great Society' that would guarantee minimum standards for all citizens.</p><p>However, Communism failed, and its leaders knew they had to make changes or suffer a revolution with them on the receiving end, so they began to embrace certain aspects of Capitalism to increase the standard of living and gainfully employ the citizens.</p><p>China was one of those countries.  It had the most people, the most unemployed, uneducated, impoverished people and loads of land worth next to nothing, with lots of resources to boot.  It employed its capitalism through free-trade zones.  These zones were actually as difficult to leave and enter as the country's border itself, with fences and checkpoints the whole way along, although this policy would change later, it illustrates how they did not truly embrace Capitalism.</p><p>As if the advantages of a huge population of desparate workers and millions of acres of available land weren't enough, the Chinese Government drew up a clever scheme to make their production costs even lower on an international scale.  They required all foreign transactions to be transacted in U.S. dollars.  Since they had a huge trade surplus, especially when considering this was for all transactions with customers from all countries, they could quickly amass a significant number of U.S. dollars.  They then used the dollars to purchase U.S. debt.  This debt could then be used to maintain an artificially low exchange rate on the Chinese currency (called Yuan or Renminbi (RMB)) with respect to U.S. dollars, conveniently the only currency the factories could use.</p><p>Meanwhile, the cost of doing anything in the U.S. increased substantially, spawning from things such as the Great Society initiatives, laws to encourage unionizing, and various other policies that made sense only for a nation with no industrialized competitors.  For all intents and purposes we stopped allowing legal immigrants to come to our country, cutting off a key labor supply used throughout the Industrial Revolution.</p><p>(I always like to point out that "Made in America" all too often really means "Made by Illegal Aliens").</p><p>So with high costs to employ people, a nearly non-existent bottom-end production workforce and deficits to build and maintain pegged currencies, substantial amounts of production has moved offshore, with much of it going to China.  China is really just the most visible because of its size.  Many people talk about all the things they purchase that are 'Made in China', but the real test is to look at all the things people purchase that are not made in China.  After posing this question to a friend he declared that the only thing in his house that was Made in America was the house itself.  China is often just the final assembly point for a manufacturer, who probably gets chips and other components from Taiwan, Malaysia and Singapore.  The very, very bottom production, such as clothes and shoe manufacturing, rarely comes from China now, and even the Chinese factories are moving basic elements of production to nearby Vietnam.  I ran into a toilet paper manufacturer that had moved final production to Vietnam, leaving the more difficult production stages in China.</p><p>Another factor in China's growth has been the apparent increase in value of the Euro.  Since China still requires trade in U.S. dollars, the Europeans are seeing no increase in the cost of Chinese made goods.  In fact, most importers I've met have told me that the rate of inflation in China has been about equal to rate of increase in the Euro to the U.S. Do</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At the end of WWII the industrialized world had been literally blown to pieces , except in the U.S. because the war had n't reached any of our industrialized regions .
Additionally , major powers such as China and Russia began to experiment in earnest with Communism .
The U.S. was able to supply the world with what it needed and it prospered greatly , with 1950-1965 being one of the most prosperous periods in our history .
From the wealth gained out of this temporary position we decided that we would build a 'Great Society ' that would guarantee minimum standards for all citizens.However , Communism failed , and its leaders knew they had to make changes or suffer a revolution with them on the receiving end , so they began to embrace certain aspects of Capitalism to increase the standard of living and gainfully employ the citizens.China was one of those countries .
It had the most people , the most unemployed , uneducated , impoverished people and loads of land worth next to nothing , with lots of resources to boot .
It employed its capitalism through free-trade zones .
These zones were actually as difficult to leave and enter as the country 's border itself , with fences and checkpoints the whole way along , although this policy would change later , it illustrates how they did not truly embrace Capitalism.As if the advantages of a huge population of desparate workers and millions of acres of available land were n't enough , the Chinese Government drew up a clever scheme to make their production costs even lower on an international scale .
They required all foreign transactions to be transacted in U.S. dollars. Since they had a huge trade surplus , especially when considering this was for all transactions with customers from all countries , they could quickly amass a significant number of U.S. dollars. They then used the dollars to purchase U.S. debt. This debt could then be used to maintain an artificially low exchange rate on the Chinese currency ( called Yuan or Renminbi ( RMB ) ) with respect to U.S. dollars , conveniently the only currency the factories could use.Meanwhile , the cost of doing anything in the U.S. increased substantially , spawning from things such as the Great Society initiatives , laws to encourage unionizing , and various other policies that made sense only for a nation with no industrialized competitors .
For all intents and purposes we stopped allowing legal immigrants to come to our country , cutting off a key labor supply used throughout the Industrial Revolution .
( I always like to point out that " Made in America " all too often really means " Made by Illegal Aliens " ) .So with high costs to employ people , a nearly non-existent bottom-end production workforce and deficits to build and maintain pegged currencies , substantial amounts of production has moved offshore , with much of it going to China .
China is really just the most visible because of its size .
Many people talk about all the things they purchase that are 'Made in China ' , but the real test is to look at all the things people purchase that are not made in China .
After posing this question to a friend he declared that the only thing in his house that was Made in America was the house itself .
China is often just the final assembly point for a manufacturer , who probably gets chips and other components from Taiwan , Malaysia and Singapore .
The very , very bottom production , such as clothes and shoe manufacturing , rarely comes from China now , and even the Chinese factories are moving basic elements of production to nearby Vietnam .
I ran into a toilet paper manufacturer that had moved final production to Vietnam , leaving the more difficult production stages in China.Another factor in China 's growth has been the apparent increase in value of the Euro .
Since China still requires trade in U.S. dollars , the Europeans are seeing no increase in the cost of Chinese made goods .
In fact , most importers I 've met have told me that the rate of inflation in China has been about equal to rate of increase in the Euro to the U.S. Do</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the end of WWII the industrialized world had been literally blown to pieces, except in the U.S. because the war hadn't reached any of our industrialized regions.
Additionally, major powers such as China and Russia began to experiment in earnest with Communism.
The U.S. was able to supply the world with what it needed and it prospered greatly, with 1950-1965 being one of the most prosperous periods in our history.
From the wealth gained out of this temporary position we decided that we would build a 'Great Society' that would guarantee minimum standards for all citizens.However, Communism failed, and its leaders knew they had to make changes or suffer a revolution with them on the receiving end, so they began to embrace certain aspects of Capitalism to increase the standard of living and gainfully employ the citizens.China was one of those countries.
It had the most people, the most unemployed, uneducated, impoverished people and loads of land worth next to nothing, with lots of resources to boot.
It employed its capitalism through free-trade zones.
These zones were actually as difficult to leave and enter as the country's border itself, with fences and checkpoints the whole way along, although this policy would change later, it illustrates how they did not truly embrace Capitalism.As if the advantages of a huge population of desparate workers and millions of acres of available land weren't enough, the Chinese Government drew up a clever scheme to make their production costs even lower on an international scale.
They required all foreign transactions to be transacted in U.S. dollars.  Since they had a huge trade surplus, especially when considering this was for all transactions with customers from all countries, they could quickly amass a significant number of U.S. dollars.  They then used the dollars to purchase U.S. debt.  This debt could then be used to maintain an artificially low exchange rate on the Chinese currency (called Yuan or Renminbi (RMB)) with respect to U.S. dollars, conveniently the only currency the factories could use.Meanwhile, the cost of doing anything in the U.S. increased substantially, spawning from things such as the Great Society initiatives, laws to encourage unionizing, and various other policies that made sense only for a nation with no industrialized competitors.
For all intents and purposes we stopped allowing legal immigrants to come to our country, cutting off a key labor supply used throughout the Industrial Revolution.
(I always like to point out that "Made in America" all too often really means "Made by Illegal Aliens").So with high costs to employ people, a nearly non-existent bottom-end production workforce and deficits to build and maintain pegged currencies, substantial amounts of production has moved offshore, with much of it going to China.
China is really just the most visible because of its size.
Many people talk about all the things they purchase that are 'Made in China', but the real test is to look at all the things people purchase that are not made in China.
After posing this question to a friend he declared that the only thing in his house that was Made in America was the house itself.
China is often just the final assembly point for a manufacturer, who probably gets chips and other components from Taiwan, Malaysia and Singapore.
The very, very bottom production, such as clothes and shoe manufacturing, rarely comes from China now, and even the Chinese factories are moving basic elements of production to nearby Vietnam.
I ran into a toilet paper manufacturer that had moved final production to Vietnam, leaving the more difficult production stages in China.Another factor in China's growth has been the apparent increase in value of the Euro.
Since China still requires trade in U.S. dollars, the Europeans are seeing no increase in the cost of Chinese made goods.
In fact, most importers I've met have told me that the rate of inflation in China has been about equal to rate of increase in the Euro to the U.S. Do</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624854</id>
	<title>Re:and why not ?</title>
	<author>BosstonesOwn</author>
	<datestamp>1262462880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ever been to a foreign country ? As I sit in Colombia at the moment , every local store has rip offs from china , in every form , they are cheap enough that they can use them here for low cost and not worry about it for a year.</p><p>This sentiment is being drilled into the american consumers head as well. It's really disappointing. I see so many pirated products it's scary. We need to start developing a world money very soon or we will face countries like China falsely inflating and under inflating values.</p><p>It took me 3 days to find a motorola cell phone here to use , I refuse to buy the chinese knock off iphone for $50 , the psiphones run android but are made to look like an iphone and run like utter garbage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ever been to a foreign country ?
As I sit in Colombia at the moment , every local store has rip offs from china , in every form , they are cheap enough that they can use them here for low cost and not worry about it for a year.This sentiment is being drilled into the american consumers head as well .
It 's really disappointing .
I see so many pirated products it 's scary .
We need to start developing a world money very soon or we will face countries like China falsely inflating and under inflating values.It took me 3 days to find a motorola cell phone here to use , I refuse to buy the chinese knock off iphone for $ 50 , the psiphones run android but are made to look like an iphone and run like utter garbage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ever been to a foreign country ?
As I sit in Colombia at the moment , every local store has rip offs from china , in every form , they are cheap enough that they can use them here for low cost and not worry about it for a year.This sentiment is being drilled into the american consumers head as well.
It's really disappointing.
I see so many pirated products it's scary.
We need to start developing a world money very soon or we will face countries like China falsely inflating and under inflating values.It took me 3 days to find a motorola cell phone here to use , I refuse to buy the chinese knock off iphone for $50 , the psiphones run android but are made to look like an iphone and run like utter garbage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625020</id>
	<title>Green?</title>
	<author>pr0nbot</author>
	<datestamp>1262463840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just how green is an energy that relies on a non-renewable resource?</p><p>Or are these rare metals, once used in green tech, easily recycled?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just how green is an energy that relies on a non-renewable resource ? Or are these rare metals , once used in green tech , easily recycled ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just how green is an energy that relies on a non-renewable resource?Or are these rare metals, once used in green tech, easily recycled?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624736</id>
	<title>Get ready to kneel</title>
	<author>DNS-and-BIND</author>
	<datestamp>1262462100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope we all got a lesson from Obama when he bowed to royalty.  China will indeed allow limited exports of these precious metals - but only to proper nations who know how to kneel and bow to the superiority of China.  China does not recognize and has no tradition of equality.  Everybody is either superior or inferior.  You think the Chinese didn't get the message loud and clear from Obama's bow?  One only bows to superiors.  And Obama did a really good bow too...the full 90 degrees (a most inferior position).  </p><p>Study history, China was like this hundreds of years ago, too.  They had no problem cutting the outside world off from trade.  Hell, there were wars over it.  China has no interest in joining the community of nations as an equal member.  You will acknowledge China as superior and humiliate yourself, or you will get no Neodymium.  And even then, companies owned by Chinese-Americans will be favored over companies owned by barbarians (that's you, unless you're ethnic Chinese).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope we all got a lesson from Obama when he bowed to royalty .
China will indeed allow limited exports of these precious metals - but only to proper nations who know how to kneel and bow to the superiority of China .
China does not recognize and has no tradition of equality .
Everybody is either superior or inferior .
You think the Chinese did n't get the message loud and clear from Obama 's bow ?
One only bows to superiors .
And Obama did a really good bow too...the full 90 degrees ( a most inferior position ) .
Study history , China was like this hundreds of years ago , too .
They had no problem cutting the outside world off from trade .
Hell , there were wars over it .
China has no interest in joining the community of nations as an equal member .
You will acknowledge China as superior and humiliate yourself , or you will get no Neodymium .
And even then , companies owned by Chinese-Americans will be favored over companies owned by barbarians ( that 's you , unless you 're ethnic Chinese ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope we all got a lesson from Obama when he bowed to royalty.
China will indeed allow limited exports of these precious metals - but only to proper nations who know how to kneel and bow to the superiority of China.
China does not recognize and has no tradition of equality.
Everybody is either superior or inferior.
You think the Chinese didn't get the message loud and clear from Obama's bow?
One only bows to superiors.
And Obama did a really good bow too...the full 90 degrees (a most inferior position).
Study history, China was like this hundreds of years ago, too.
They had no problem cutting the outside world off from trade.
Hell, there were wars over it.
China has no interest in joining the community of nations as an equal member.
You will acknowledge China as superior and humiliate yourself, or you will get no Neodymium.
And even then, companies owned by Chinese-Americans will be favored over companies owned by barbarians (that's you, unless you're ethnic Chinese).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625474</id>
	<title>Re:and why not ?</title>
	<author>Ethanol-fueled</author>
	<datestamp>1262423160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No way. Not unless Avatar was about one greedy industrialized race attacking another greedy industrialized race with the home-field advantage.<br> <br>

Avatar touched upon a variety of themes(MMORPG addiction, environmentalism, the Prime Directive, exploitation of other peoples, the overbearing influence of corporations and the military, etc.) I like to think of it as a general mind-expanding experience instead of a single specific story like Iraq even though there were references like "shock and awe" and "winning their hearts and minds".<br> <br>

Taken literally, the best comparison to Avatar's story would be to the conquering of tribal natives who had to respect the earth, they were grateful for a meal and didn't have the luxury of driving to the nearest McDonald's. There was one point in particular that was right on the money: "The planet dosen't give a shit who wins or loses -- she's just the equalizer." Environmental equalization as well as financial equalization are going to be very painful processes to humanity in general.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No way .
Not unless Avatar was about one greedy industrialized race attacking another greedy industrialized race with the home-field advantage .
Avatar touched upon a variety of themes ( MMORPG addiction , environmentalism , the Prime Directive , exploitation of other peoples , the overbearing influence of corporations and the military , etc .
) I like to think of it as a general mind-expanding experience instead of a single specific story like Iraq even though there were references like " shock and awe " and " winning their hearts and minds " .
Taken literally , the best comparison to Avatar 's story would be to the conquering of tribal natives who had to respect the earth , they were grateful for a meal and did n't have the luxury of driving to the nearest McDonald 's .
There was one point in particular that was right on the money : " The planet dose n't give a shit who wins or loses -- she 's just the equalizer .
" Environmental equalization as well as financial equalization are going to be very painful processes to humanity in general .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No way.
Not unless Avatar was about one greedy industrialized race attacking another greedy industrialized race with the home-field advantage.
Avatar touched upon a variety of themes(MMORPG addiction, environmentalism, the Prime Directive, exploitation of other peoples, the overbearing influence of corporations and the military, etc.
) I like to think of it as a general mind-expanding experience instead of a single specific story like Iraq even though there were references like "shock and awe" and "winning their hearts and minds".
Taken literally, the best comparison to Avatar's story would be to the conquering of tribal natives who had to respect the earth, they were grateful for a meal and didn't have the luxury of driving to the nearest McDonald's.
There was one point in particular that was right on the money: "The planet dosen't give a shit who wins or loses -- she's just the equalizer.
" Environmental equalization as well as financial equalization are going to be very painful processes to humanity in general.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30632104</id>
	<title>Re:not so green, huh?</title>
	<author>TheTurtlesMoves</author>
	<datestamp>1262539020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>3) People have been constructing and selling apocalyptic vision ever since St. John wrote his version on the Isle of Patmos. May not want to hold your breath just yet.</p></div><p>Its been going on far longer than that. We (Humans) seem to love the idea that the end of all things will happen in our lifetime. I guess we don't like the idea of being just some insignificant speck of a soul, in some insignificant period of time.</p></div>
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<tokenext>3 ) People have been constructing and selling apocalyptic vision ever since St. John wrote his version on the Isle of Patmos .
May not want to hold your breath just yet.Its been going on far longer than that .
We ( Humans ) seem to love the idea that the end of all things will happen in our lifetime .
I guess we do n't like the idea of being just some insignificant speck of a soul , in some insignificant period of time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>3) People have been constructing and selling apocalyptic vision ever since St. John wrote his version on the Isle of Patmos.
May not want to hold your breath just yet.Its been going on far longer than that.
We (Humans) seem to love the idea that the end of all things will happen in our lifetime.
I guess we don't like the idea of being just some insignificant speck of a soul, in some insignificant period of time.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624612</id>
	<title>Rare Earths Not Necessarily Rare</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1262461380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>This has been discussed here on Slashdot before, but rare earths are not as difficult to mine and produce as the term "rare" implies; they are rare only in a <b> <i>relative</i> </b> sense compared to other common elements of the Earth's crust. They are mostly <i>not</i> rare on the same order as gold or platinum group metals, although there are exceptions. There are plenty of sources for most of these elements in the continental United States and other nations outside of China; it just costs a certain amount of money to mine and refine them. If China chokes off supplies from their own mines and processors then it will make those same sorts of mines and processors cost-competitive again here in the United States and elsewhere in the world. This really isn't that big of a deal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This has been discussed here on Slashdot before , but rare earths are not as difficult to mine and produce as the term " rare " implies ; they are rare only in a relative sense compared to other common elements of the Earth 's crust .
They are mostly not rare on the same order as gold or platinum group metals , although there are exceptions .
There are plenty of sources for most of these elements in the continental United States and other nations outside of China ; it just costs a certain amount of money to mine and refine them .
If China chokes off supplies from their own mines and processors then it will make those same sorts of mines and processors cost-competitive again here in the United States and elsewhere in the world .
This really is n't that big of a deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has been discussed here on Slashdot before, but rare earths are not as difficult to mine and produce as the term "rare" implies; they are rare only in a  relative  sense compared to other common elements of the Earth's crust.
They are mostly not rare on the same order as gold or platinum group metals, although there are exceptions.
There are plenty of sources for most of these elements in the continental United States and other nations outside of China; it just costs a certain amount of money to mine and refine them.
If China chokes off supplies from their own mines and processors then it will make those same sorts of mines and processors cost-competitive again here in the United States and elsewhere in the world.
This really isn't that big of a deal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625034</id>
	<title>Re:Proof free trade is a failure.</title>
	<author>jandersen</author>
	<datestamp>1262463900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The whole point of free trade was to unlink, fundamentally, resources from national ownership</p></div><p>I think you are wrong. Ownership doesn't enter into the question at all - free trade is simply a matter of making it easier to conduct business; there is nothing to say that national governments or state-owned enterprises can't take part in that.</p><p>I think your attitude is bizarre; it seems that you think that anything done or provided by society is by definition evil. I guess this is the sad result of the Cold-War conditioning that afflicts so many Americans - you have learned that government is a sort of Communist conspiracy that is only out to take your money and that tax is nothing short of state-sanctioned theft. Strangely, those who think this way don't seem to feel that using infra-structure, which has mostly been paid for by other tax-payers than themselves, is theft from their compatriots.</p><p>However, the real thieves in this picture are not ordinary tax-payers, but the big corporations, who are more than happy to use roads and other things paid for by the public, but who are rather reluctant when it comes to paying their taxes - ie they prefer to be free-loaders.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The whole point of free trade was to unlink , fundamentally , resources from national ownershipI think you are wrong .
Ownership does n't enter into the question at all - free trade is simply a matter of making it easier to conduct business ; there is nothing to say that national governments or state-owned enterprises ca n't take part in that.I think your attitude is bizarre ; it seems that you think that anything done or provided by society is by definition evil .
I guess this is the sad result of the Cold-War conditioning that afflicts so many Americans - you have learned that government is a sort of Communist conspiracy that is only out to take your money and that tax is nothing short of state-sanctioned theft .
Strangely , those who think this way do n't seem to feel that using infra-structure , which has mostly been paid for by other tax-payers than themselves , is theft from their compatriots.However , the real thieves in this picture are not ordinary tax-payers , but the big corporations , who are more than happy to use roads and other things paid for by the public , but who are rather reluctant when it comes to paying their taxes - ie they prefer to be free-loaders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The whole point of free trade was to unlink, fundamentally, resources from national ownershipI think you are wrong.
Ownership doesn't enter into the question at all - free trade is simply a matter of making it easier to conduct business; there is nothing to say that national governments or state-owned enterprises can't take part in that.I think your attitude is bizarre; it seems that you think that anything done or provided by society is by definition evil.
I guess this is the sad result of the Cold-War conditioning that afflicts so many Americans - you have learned that government is a sort of Communist conspiracy that is only out to take your money and that tax is nothing short of state-sanctioned theft.
Strangely, those who think this way don't seem to feel that using infra-structure, which has mostly been paid for by other tax-payers than themselves, is theft from their compatriots.However, the real thieves in this picture are not ordinary tax-payers, but the big corporations, who are more than happy to use roads and other things paid for by the public, but who are rather reluctant when it comes to paying their taxes - ie they prefer to be free-loaders.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30626108</id>
	<title>Re:not so green, huh?</title>
	<author>DamonHD</author>
	<datestamp>1262427180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even using all local resources available, US energy consumption is so great that those fossil fuels wouldn't last very long.  So saying "screw it" to "going green" won't result in anything like current BAU soon.  Even if you choose to believe that "green" and "climate change" and "conspiracy" and "Europe" and "government" and "communism" are all the same thing (are *all* US thesauruses so small and so black-and-white?), there are several independent very good reasons for switching to renewables as quickly as possible.</p><p>Rgds</p><p>Damon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even using all local resources available , US energy consumption is so great that those fossil fuels would n't last very long .
So saying " screw it " to " going green " wo n't result in anything like current BAU soon .
Even if you choose to believe that " green " and " climate change " and " conspiracy " and " Europe " and " government " and " communism " are all the same thing ( are * all * US thesauruses so small and so black-and-white ?
) , there are several independent very good reasons for switching to renewables as quickly as possible.RgdsDamon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even using all local resources available, US energy consumption is so great that those fossil fuels wouldn't last very long.
So saying "screw it" to "going green" won't result in anything like current BAU soon.
Even if you choose to believe that "green" and "climate change" and "conspiracy" and "Europe" and "government" and "communism" are all the same thing (are *all* US thesauruses so small and so black-and-white?
), there are several independent very good reasons for switching to renewables as quickly as possible.RgdsDamon</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625124</id>
	<title>Maybe Some Cheese with Our Wine?</title>
	<author>LifesABeach</author>
	<datestamp>1262464440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Federal Government has told low life dirt bag Software Engineers to "Retrain" ourselves.  I guess maybe when this logic is applied to other areas, it appears to have some unforgiving flaws.  Would T.Boone Pickins like to have the phone number to the "Wally Thor School of Trucking?"</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Federal Government has told low life dirt bag Software Engineers to " Retrain " ourselves .
I guess maybe when this logic is applied to other areas , it appears to have some unforgiving flaws .
Would T.Boone Pickins like to have the phone number to the " Wally Thor School of Trucking ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Federal Government has told low life dirt bag Software Engineers to "Retrain" ourselves.
I guess maybe when this logic is applied to other areas, it appears to have some unforgiving flaws.
Would T.Boone Pickins like to have the phone number to the "Wally Thor School of Trucking?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30627750</id>
	<title>Re:not so green, huh?</title>
	<author>DrJimbo</author>
	<datestamp>1262437860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh come on.  The section of the wikipedia article you refer to says that we use 7K tonnes per year and there are 8M tonnes left in the ground.  <i>At current consumption rates</i> this means we have a 1,000 year supply.  But as
<a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE57U02B20090831" title="reuters.com"> this Routers article</a> [reuters.com] linked to from the bottom of the wikipedia page explains, the production of green product such as hybrid cars and wind turbines is expected to skyrocket.  If production Neodymium products is increased by a factor of 10 then we only have a 100 year supply.  An increase by a factor of 20 brings it down to a 50 year supply.
<br> <br>
If we converted all existing cars and light trucks to hybrid using the technology in the Prius, it would require 1M tonnes of Neodymium, roughly 12\% of what is left in the ground.
 We have enough Neodymium in the ground so each person on earth can have 1kg, or one Prius' worth.   Are you going to be up for your grandchildren offing their grandparents to get use of their Neodymium?
 I find the warnings about running out of Neodymium to be scary, not silly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh come on .
The section of the wikipedia article you refer to says that we use 7K tonnes per year and there are 8M tonnes left in the ground .
At current consumption rates this means we have a 1,000 year supply .
But as this Routers article [ reuters.com ] linked to from the bottom of the wikipedia page explains , the production of green product such as hybrid cars and wind turbines is expected to skyrocket .
If production Neodymium products is increased by a factor of 10 then we only have a 100 year supply .
An increase by a factor of 20 brings it down to a 50 year supply .
If we converted all existing cars and light trucks to hybrid using the technology in the Prius , it would require 1M tonnes of Neodymium , roughly 12 \ % of what is left in the ground .
We have enough Neodymium in the ground so each person on earth can have 1kg , or one Prius ' worth .
Are you going to be up for your grandchildren offing their grandparents to get use of their Neodymium ?
I find the warnings about running out of Neodymium to be scary , not silly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh come on.
The section of the wikipedia article you refer to says that we use 7K tonnes per year and there are 8M tonnes left in the ground.
At current consumption rates this means we have a 1,000 year supply.
But as
 this Routers article [reuters.com] linked to from the bottom of the wikipedia page explains, the production of green product such as hybrid cars and wind turbines is expected to skyrocket.
If production Neodymium products is increased by a factor of 10 then we only have a 100 year supply.
An increase by a factor of 20 brings it down to a 50 year supply.
If we converted all existing cars and light trucks to hybrid using the technology in the Prius, it would require 1M tonnes of Neodymium, roughly 12\% of what is left in the ground.
We have enough Neodymium in the ground so each person on earth can have 1kg, or one Prius' worth.
Are you going to be up for your grandchildren offing their grandparents to get use of their Neodymium?
I find the warnings about running out of Neodymium to be scary, not silly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625228</id>
	<title>Re:not so green, huh?</title>
	<author>Darkman, Walkin Dude</author>
	<datestamp>1262464980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>so the only remaining question to ask is: are you ready for that change; are you just going to "wing it", are you going to stick your head in the sand, or are you just going to sit there until you die, waiting for the lights to come back on, the phone to ring and the gas boiler to provide you with heating again?</p></div><p>No, as usual the only question is how long before and in what format western powers choose to knock the shit out of China again. I don't think China actually has control over these resources however, there are normally many more sources that are just a little more expensive to extract.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>so the only remaining question to ask is : are you ready for that change ; are you just going to " wing it " , are you going to stick your head in the sand , or are you just going to sit there until you die , waiting for the lights to come back on , the phone to ring and the gas boiler to provide you with heating again ? No , as usual the only question is how long before and in what format western powers choose to knock the shit out of China again .
I do n't think China actually has control over these resources however , there are normally many more sources that are just a little more expensive to extract .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so the only remaining question to ask is: are you ready for that change; are you just going to "wing it", are you going to stick your head in the sand, or are you just going to sit there until you die, waiting for the lights to come back on, the phone to ring and the gas boiler to provide you with heating again?No, as usual the only question is how long before and in what format western powers choose to knock the shit out of China again.
I don't think China actually has control over these resources however, there are normally many more sources that are just a little more expensive to extract.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624500</id>
	<title>FP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262460660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625204</id>
	<title>A very convenient excuse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262464860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This strikes me as a very convenient excuse to keep using petrol.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This strikes me as a very convenient excuse to keep using petrol .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This strikes me as a very convenient excuse to keep using petrol.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30626120</id>
	<title>You left off copyrights and patents.</title>
	<author>khasim</author>
	<datestamp>1262427240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a competition and lately we've been hobbling ourselves trying to protect the income of existing corporations by killing new businesses.</p><p>Software / business model patents are not helping us compete. They're crippling our new businesses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a competition and lately we 've been hobbling ourselves trying to protect the income of existing corporations by killing new businesses.Software / business model patents are not helping us compete .
They 're crippling our new businesses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a competition and lately we've been hobbling ourselves trying to protect the income of existing corporations by killing new businesses.Software / business model patents are not helping us compete.
They're crippling our new businesses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625318</id>
	<title>Re:not so green, huh?</title>
	<author>geckipede</author>
	<datestamp>1262465520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So for those of us who live in cities, where would you like us to install all the extra land for us to subsist on? In this country, if you divided the land out exactly fairly between everybody, there's just enough to give everybody a medium sized garden. More than half of these gardens are going to end up on mountainside that's only really any good for raising sheep.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So for those of us who live in cities , where would you like us to install all the extra land for us to subsist on ?
In this country , if you divided the land out exactly fairly between everybody , there 's just enough to give everybody a medium sized garden .
More than half of these gardens are going to end up on mountainside that 's only really any good for raising sheep .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So for those of us who live in cities, where would you like us to install all the extra land for us to subsist on?
In this country, if you divided the land out exactly fairly between everybody, there's just enough to give everybody a medium sized garden.
More than half of these gardens are going to end up on mountainside that's only really any good for raising sheep.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624550</id>
	<title>Maybe Not!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262461020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>         With the world economy falling downward China may well soon be willing to sell their sisters' socks with their sisters still in them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the world economy falling downward China may well soon be willing to sell their sisters ' socks with their sisters still in them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>         With the world economy falling downward China may well soon be willing to sell their sisters' socks with their sisters still in them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624596</id>
	<title>not so green, huh?</title>
	<author>lkcl</author>
	<datestamp>1262461320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>very gooood.  i think this is highly amusing, on several fronts.  the first is just the irony of the country touted as having "A Bad Human Rights Record" (when in fact they are just using common sense to keep control over 1.3 billion people) happens to now hold a damocles sword over the rest of the world if it wants to go "green".</p><p>the second irony is that it takes rare metals, which are, by definition, in limited supply, to go "green" in the first place.  the missing bit that is not specifically stated is, "if the world wants to 'Go Green' (tm) and still maintain a high level of technology".</p><p>there is a simpler way to "go green" and not be dependent on chinese exports of rare earth metals: a return to subsistence-style living and community-driven societies, with countries like Poland, who have just absolutely amazing self-reliant and vibrant communities, already leading the way in that regard, having not really changed their way of living for centuries in the first place as "technology" passed them by.</p><p>whilst this suggestion of a solution is pretty much guaranteed to provoke outrage in certain (lazy) 1st world westerners, such lazy individuals might want to think about this: that the combination of restrictions on supply of "rare earth" metals, and the predicted "peak oil" period due to hit only next year, i think it's pretty much on the cards that the "technological age" which consumes 50\% of the world's resources in the U.S. alone is almost certainly coming to an end.</p><p>so the only remaining question to ask is: are you ready for that change; are you just going to "wing it", are you going to stick your head in the sand, or are you just going to sit there until you die, waiting for the lights to come back on, the phone to ring and the gas boiler to provide you with heating again?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>very gooood .
i think this is highly amusing , on several fronts .
the first is just the irony of the country touted as having " A Bad Human Rights Record " ( when in fact they are just using common sense to keep control over 1.3 billion people ) happens to now hold a damocles sword over the rest of the world if it wants to go " green " .the second irony is that it takes rare metals , which are , by definition , in limited supply , to go " green " in the first place .
the missing bit that is not specifically stated is , " if the world wants to 'Go Green ' ( tm ) and still maintain a high level of technology " .there is a simpler way to " go green " and not be dependent on chinese exports of rare earth metals : a return to subsistence-style living and community-driven societies , with countries like Poland , who have just absolutely amazing self-reliant and vibrant communities , already leading the way in that regard , having not really changed their way of living for centuries in the first place as " technology " passed them by.whilst this suggestion of a solution is pretty much guaranteed to provoke outrage in certain ( lazy ) 1st world westerners , such lazy individuals might want to think about this : that the combination of restrictions on supply of " rare earth " metals , and the predicted " peak oil " period due to hit only next year , i think it 's pretty much on the cards that the " technological age " which consumes 50 \ % of the world 's resources in the U.S. alone is almost certainly coming to an end.so the only remaining question to ask is : are you ready for that change ; are you just going to " wing it " , are you going to stick your head in the sand , or are you just going to sit there until you die , waiting for the lights to come back on , the phone to ring and the gas boiler to provide you with heating again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>very gooood.
i think this is highly amusing, on several fronts.
the first is just the irony of the country touted as having "A Bad Human Rights Record" (when in fact they are just using common sense to keep control over 1.3 billion people) happens to now hold a damocles sword over the rest of the world if it wants to go "green".the second irony is that it takes rare metals, which are, by definition, in limited supply, to go "green" in the first place.
the missing bit that is not specifically stated is, "if the world wants to 'Go Green' (tm) and still maintain a high level of technology".there is a simpler way to "go green" and not be dependent on chinese exports of rare earth metals: a return to subsistence-style living and community-driven societies, with countries like Poland, who have just absolutely amazing self-reliant and vibrant communities, already leading the way in that regard, having not really changed their way of living for centuries in the first place as "technology" passed them by.whilst this suggestion of a solution is pretty much guaranteed to provoke outrage in certain (lazy) 1st world westerners, such lazy individuals might want to think about this: that the combination of restrictions on supply of "rare earth" metals, and the predicted "peak oil" period due to hit only next year, i think it's pretty much on the cards that the "technological age" which consumes 50\% of the world's resources in the U.S. alone is almost certainly coming to an end.so the only remaining question to ask is: are you ready for that change; are you just going to "wing it", are you going to stick your head in the sand, or are you just going to sit there until you die, waiting for the lights to come back on, the phone to ring and the gas boiler to provide you with heating again?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625352</id>
	<title>I predict the next US invasion will be Madagascar.</title>
	<author>elFisico</author>
	<datestamp>1262465700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...due to its reserves in rare earth ores. Future wars will be fought not about oil but rare earth materials. And china is just too strong for the US to tackle...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...due to its reserves in rare earth ores .
Future wars will be fought not about oil but rare earth materials .
And china is just too strong for the US to tackle.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...due to its reserves in rare earth ores.
Future wars will be fought not about oil but rare earth materials.
And china is just too strong for the US to tackle...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30626470</id>
	<title>Take away lesson...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262429400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hoard your broken hard drives?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hoard your broken hard drives ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hoard your broken hard drives?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625646</id>
	<title>Highly unlikely this is malicious</title>
	<author>electrosoccertux</author>
	<datestamp>1262424120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's very unlikely this is malicious. Companies' raw material stockpiles have been growing this past year as our consumption has fallen-&gt;they have fewer people to sell to. It's more likely they are simply protecting themselves from a a deflationary spiral where one group seeks to preempt another and unleash all their raw goods onto the market, and then everyone else does. In other words, they're restricting supply, sorta like the banks are now allowed to do with the suspended mark-to-market rules: allowing banks to keep homes off the market artificially reflates the price of homes so that you and I have to pay more. This protects them from further writedowns-- they can just "pretend" that the houses are worth something, when in fact if they had to list the actual values of those homes on their books, they would be forced to go bankrupt causing the houses to enter the market causing a collapse in housing prices.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's very unlikely this is malicious .
Companies ' raw material stockpiles have been growing this past year as our consumption has fallen- &gt; they have fewer people to sell to .
It 's more likely they are simply protecting themselves from a a deflationary spiral where one group seeks to preempt another and unleash all their raw goods onto the market , and then everyone else does .
In other words , they 're restricting supply , sorta like the banks are now allowed to do with the suspended mark-to-market rules : allowing banks to keep homes off the market artificially reflates the price of homes so that you and I have to pay more .
This protects them from further writedowns-- they can just " pretend " that the houses are worth something , when in fact if they had to list the actual values of those homes on their books , they would be forced to go bankrupt causing the houses to enter the market causing a collapse in housing prices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's very unlikely this is malicious.
Companies' raw material stockpiles have been growing this past year as our consumption has fallen-&gt;they have fewer people to sell to.
It's more likely they are simply protecting themselves from a a deflationary spiral where one group seeks to preempt another and unleash all their raw goods onto the market, and then everyone else does.
In other words, they're restricting supply, sorta like the banks are now allowed to do with the suspended mark-to-market rules: allowing banks to keep homes off the market artificially reflates the price of homes so that you and I have to pay more.
This protects them from further writedowns-- they can just "pretend" that the houses are worth something, when in fact if they had to list the actual values of those homes on their books, they would be forced to go bankrupt causing the houses to enter the market causing a collapse in housing prices.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625482</id>
	<title>Re:not so green, huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262423160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; with countries like Poland, who have just absolutely amazing self-reliant and vibrant communities</p><p>So vibrant, lots of Polish are now emigrating to England...  This "vibrant culture" cannot sustain the number of people we have now?  What do you propose we do with the excess billions of people?</p><p>&gt; i think it's pretty much on the cards that the "technological age" which consumes 50\% of the world's resources in the U.S. alone is almost certainly coming to an end.</p><p>So what will Slashdot do when all of us reject technology and throw out our computers?  Get printed on parchment and distributed in the town square?  Posting the end of technology on a tech web site is a tad bit hypocritical, don't you think?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; with countries like Poland , who have just absolutely amazing self-reliant and vibrant communitiesSo vibrant , lots of Polish are now emigrating to England... This " vibrant culture " can not sustain the number of people we have now ?
What do you propose we do with the excess billions of people ? &gt; i think it 's pretty much on the cards that the " technological age " which consumes 50 \ % of the world 's resources in the U.S. alone is almost certainly coming to an end.So what will Slashdot do when all of us reject technology and throw out our computers ?
Get printed on parchment and distributed in the town square ?
Posting the end of technology on a tech web site is a tad bit hypocritical , do n't you think ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; with countries like Poland, who have just absolutely amazing self-reliant and vibrant communitiesSo vibrant, lots of Polish are now emigrating to England...  This "vibrant culture" cannot sustain the number of people we have now?
What do you propose we do with the excess billions of people?&gt; i think it's pretty much on the cards that the "technological age" which consumes 50\% of the world's resources in the U.S. alone is almost certainly coming to an end.So what will Slashdot do when all of us reject technology and throw out our computers?
Get printed on parchment and distributed in the town square?
Posting the end of technology on a tech web site is a tad bit hypocritical, don't you think?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30626032</id>
	<title>Global economy</title>
	<author>Snotboble\_</author>
	<datestamp>1262426580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Umm, we may have a global economy but with vested national interests.  Whoever could have thought that something like this might happen? Oh my.. </p><p>Anything that focuses on short-term isolated results (think national borders, corporations, quarterly statements etc.) will cause interesting situations like these, where the supply-and-demand chain will collapse if there are no rules to restrict monopolies. And there are on national levels, but not international, and again, with vested "individual" interests in "groups", an outcome for the greater good is decidedly not a given (think COP15 in Denmark..)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm , we may have a global economy but with vested national interests .
Whoever could have thought that something like this might happen ?
Oh my.. Anything that focuses on short-term isolated results ( think national borders , corporations , quarterly statements etc .
) will cause interesting situations like these , where the supply-and-demand chain will collapse if there are no rules to restrict monopolies .
And there are on national levels , but not international , and again , with vested " individual " interests in " groups " , an outcome for the greater good is decidedly not a given ( think COP15 in Denmark.. )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm, we may have a global economy but with vested national interests.
Whoever could have thought that something like this might happen?
Oh my.. Anything that focuses on short-term isolated results (think national borders, corporations, quarterly statements etc.
) will cause interesting situations like these, where the supply-and-demand chain will collapse if there are no rules to restrict monopolies.
And there are on national levels, but not international, and again, with vested "individual" interests in "groups", an outcome for the greater good is decidedly not a given (think COP15 in Denmark..)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30626228</id>
	<title>This sounds like ....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262427900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This sounds like a job for a <b>WAR</b>, uh, I mean, for the good 'ol USA to handle.</p><p>Let's go in and kick some Chinese ass, take names, n' git 'er done!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds like a job for a WAR , uh , I mean , for the good 'ol USA to handle.Let 's go in and kick some Chinese ass , take names , n ' git 'er done !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds like a job for a WAR, uh, I mean, for the good 'ol USA to handle.Let's go in and kick some Chinese ass, take names, n' git 'er done!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624712</id>
	<title>Dupe</title>
	<author>olsmeister</author>
	<datestamp>1262461860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>This was discussed previously on <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/09/08/2119201/China-Considering-Cuts-In-Rare-Earth-Metal-Exports" title="slashdot.org">http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/09/08/2119201/China-Considering-Cuts-In-Rare-Earth-Metal-Exports</a> [slashdot.org] <br> <br>If you hurry up and copy/paste a few comments from there, you may be able to get a cheap +5 Informative.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>This was discussed previously on http : //science.slashdot.org/story/09/09/08/2119201/China-Considering-Cuts-In-Rare-Earth-Metal-Exports [ slashdot.org ] If you hurry up and copy/paste a few comments from there , you may be able to get a cheap + 5 Informative .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was discussed previously on http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/09/08/2119201/China-Considering-Cuts-In-Rare-Earth-Metal-Exports [slashdot.org]  If you hurry up and copy/paste a few comments from there, you may be able to get a cheap +5 Informative.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30628138</id>
	<title>Re:Proof free trade is a failure.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262440920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Remember that what you call society, I call "everyone around me." Would I feel comfortable telling everyone around me that they had to give me all their money or their business so that I could run it for them? Hell no.</p><p>The difference between a state-run enterprise and a private enterprise is that I am paying for the state-run one, whereas I have the freedom to not pay for a product from a private enterprise. Government *is* a communist conspiracy out to take my money and give it to other people. What the hell else is Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security if not taking my money to give it to someone else? I did work to make that money. What gives you the right to enslave my production to unproductive people? If the answer is their need, then you really are a communist despite what you believe otherwise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember that what you call society , I call " everyone around me .
" Would I feel comfortable telling everyone around me that they had to give me all their money or their business so that I could run it for them ?
Hell no.The difference between a state-run enterprise and a private enterprise is that I am paying for the state-run one , whereas I have the freedom to not pay for a product from a private enterprise .
Government * is * a communist conspiracy out to take my money and give it to other people .
What the hell else is Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security if not taking my money to give it to someone else ?
I did work to make that money .
What gives you the right to enslave my production to unproductive people ?
If the answer is their need , then you really are a communist despite what you believe otherwise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember that what you call society, I call "everyone around me.
" Would I feel comfortable telling everyone around me that they had to give me all their money or their business so that I could run it for them?
Hell no.The difference between a state-run enterprise and a private enterprise is that I am paying for the state-run one, whereas I have the freedom to not pay for a product from a private enterprise.
Government *is* a communist conspiracy out to take my money and give it to other people.
What the hell else is Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security if not taking my money to give it to someone else?
I did work to make that money.
What gives you the right to enslave my production to unproductive people?
If the answer is their need, then you really are a communist despite what you believe otherwise.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624758</id>
	<title>Re:Proof free trade is a failure.</title>
	<author>QuoteMstr</author>
	<datestamp>1262462280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed, and the comparison is apt. Fundamentally, China is practicing mercantilism, but we've hamstrung ourselves by making it politically impossible to fight back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed , and the comparison is apt .
Fundamentally , China is practicing mercantilism , but we 've hamstrung ourselves by making it politically impossible to fight back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed, and the comparison is apt.
Fundamentally, China is practicing mercantilism, but we've hamstrung ourselves by making it politically impossible to fight back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30626654</id>
	<title>I believe the Chinese are being short sighted</title>
	<author>MJMullinII</author>
	<datestamp>1262430420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, though, I have a question: How many of these "Rare Earth Metals" are only rare <i>on Earth</i>.</p><p>My question is how many of them are <i>abundant</i> in space, but are simply limited on the planet?</p><p>While the doom and gloom scenarios I've read concerning this (not just this incident of hoarding with the Chinese, but also Oil in the Mid-East, etc. -- anywhere where the "haves" are attempting to limit how much gets to the "have nots") and I don't see it as scary as all.</p><p>I'm a liberal-Capitalist.  What makes me different than a "Conservative" Capitalist is that I don't allow myself to be boxed in.</p><p>Conservatives bitch and moan regarding the United State's government's declining to tap the piss-dribble of oil still left in places like Alaska as though that's all that stands between being dependent on the Saudis and being completely liberated of oil dependence (feel free to read a healthy dose of sarcasm into my preceding statement).</p><p>They speak as thought the essence of Capitalism is doing the <b>exact same thing</b> forever and any voice to change the status quo is somehow un-Capitalistic!  Forgetting of course <b>THAT THE ESSENCE OF CAPITALISM IS OPENING A WINDOW WHEN SOMEONE OR SOMETHING CLOSES THE DOOR!</b></p><p>The only reason we use petroleum today is because we almost ran out of what we used <i>before</i> petroleum (for the curious kids out there, that would be Whale Oil).</p><p>This is no different.  I feel we're quickly coming to a crossroads where things such as this will force us to <b>finally</b> stop squabbling over the piss-dribble of resources found on Earth proper and start to explore near-space.  I'm not talking about going to Mars, Venus, or anything as outlandish as that.  I'm talking about near-earth astroids (some of which are little more difficult to reach than the moon was).</p><p>While I don't know about "Rare Earth Metals" in particular, we *do* know that in easily reachable orbits are asteroids with literally <b>TRILLIONS</b> of dollars worth of Nickel, Iron, and Platinum.  Resources (especially Platinum) which are also closely tied to the so-called "Green" economy.</p><p>In my humble opinion, I say let the Chinese have their day in the sun (after all, we once held the World's largest reserves of oil -- <i>bet you kids find that hard to believe, huh!</i>)  Allow them to control anything they want within their own borders and we'll simply <b>follow the Capitalist moniker</b> and "open a window to get around their closed door".</p><p>I guarantee you, once we start (speaking of not having to squabble on Earth, but can simply search out ever increasing frontiers throughout near-Earth, and eventually the entire Solar System and beyond), things will never be the same.</p><p>Imagine never having to go to war because one country can literally cut another off from vital resources.  Imagine (speaking as an American,thank you) being able to combine our entrepreneurial spirit with <b>unlimited</b> resources and potential.</p><p>I don't mean to sound goofy here, but there there really would be no <b> <i>end</i> </b> to what we could achieve.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , though , I have a question : How many of these " Rare Earth Metals " are only rare on Earth.My question is how many of them are abundant in space , but are simply limited on the planet ? While the doom and gloom scenarios I 've read concerning this ( not just this incident of hoarding with the Chinese , but also Oil in the Mid-East , etc .
-- anywhere where the " haves " are attempting to limit how much gets to the " have nots " ) and I do n't see it as scary as all.I 'm a liberal-Capitalist .
What makes me different than a " Conservative " Capitalist is that I do n't allow myself to be boxed in.Conservatives bitch and moan regarding the United State 's government 's declining to tap the piss-dribble of oil still left in places like Alaska as though that 's all that stands between being dependent on the Saudis and being completely liberated of oil dependence ( feel free to read a healthy dose of sarcasm into my preceding statement ) .They speak as thought the essence of Capitalism is doing the exact same thing forever and any voice to change the status quo is somehow un-Capitalistic !
Forgetting of course THAT THE ESSENCE OF CAPITALISM IS OPENING A WINDOW WHEN SOMEONE OR SOMETHING CLOSES THE DOOR ! The only reason we use petroleum today is because we almost ran out of what we used before petroleum ( for the curious kids out there , that would be Whale Oil ) .This is no different .
I feel we 're quickly coming to a crossroads where things such as this will force us to finally stop squabbling over the piss-dribble of resources found on Earth proper and start to explore near-space .
I 'm not talking about going to Mars , Venus , or anything as outlandish as that .
I 'm talking about near-earth astroids ( some of which are little more difficult to reach than the moon was ) .While I do n't know about " Rare Earth Metals " in particular , we * do * know that in easily reachable orbits are asteroids with literally TRILLIONS of dollars worth of Nickel , Iron , and Platinum .
Resources ( especially Platinum ) which are also closely tied to the so-called " Green " economy.In my humble opinion , I say let the Chinese have their day in the sun ( after all , we once held the World 's largest reserves of oil -- bet you kids find that hard to believe , huh !
) Allow them to control anything they want within their own borders and we 'll simply follow the Capitalist moniker and " open a window to get around their closed door " .I guarantee you , once we start ( speaking of not having to squabble on Earth , but can simply search out ever increasing frontiers throughout near-Earth , and eventually the entire Solar System and beyond ) , things will never be the same.Imagine never having to go to war because one country can literally cut another off from vital resources .
Imagine ( speaking as an American,thank you ) being able to combine our entrepreneurial spirit with unlimited resources and potential.I do n't mean to sound goofy here , but there there really would be no end to what we could achieve .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, though, I have a question: How many of these "Rare Earth Metals" are only rare on Earth.My question is how many of them are abundant in space, but are simply limited on the planet?While the doom and gloom scenarios I've read concerning this (not just this incident of hoarding with the Chinese, but also Oil in the Mid-East, etc.
-- anywhere where the "haves" are attempting to limit how much gets to the "have nots") and I don't see it as scary as all.I'm a liberal-Capitalist.
What makes me different than a "Conservative" Capitalist is that I don't allow myself to be boxed in.Conservatives bitch and moan regarding the United State's government's declining to tap the piss-dribble of oil still left in places like Alaska as though that's all that stands between being dependent on the Saudis and being completely liberated of oil dependence (feel free to read a healthy dose of sarcasm into my preceding statement).They speak as thought the essence of Capitalism is doing the exact same thing forever and any voice to change the status quo is somehow un-Capitalistic!
Forgetting of course THAT THE ESSENCE OF CAPITALISM IS OPENING A WINDOW WHEN SOMEONE OR SOMETHING CLOSES THE DOOR!The only reason we use petroleum today is because we almost ran out of what we used before petroleum (for the curious kids out there, that would be Whale Oil).This is no different.
I feel we're quickly coming to a crossroads where things such as this will force us to finally stop squabbling over the piss-dribble of resources found on Earth proper and start to explore near-space.
I'm not talking about going to Mars, Venus, or anything as outlandish as that.
I'm talking about near-earth astroids (some of which are little more difficult to reach than the moon was).While I don't know about "Rare Earth Metals" in particular, we *do* know that in easily reachable orbits are asteroids with literally TRILLIONS of dollars worth of Nickel, Iron, and Platinum.
Resources (especially Platinum) which are also closely tied to the so-called "Green" economy.In my humble opinion, I say let the Chinese have their day in the sun (after all, we once held the World's largest reserves of oil -- bet you kids find that hard to believe, huh!
)  Allow them to control anything they want within their own borders and we'll simply follow the Capitalist moniker and "open a window to get around their closed door".I guarantee you, once we start (speaking of not having to squabble on Earth, but can simply search out ever increasing frontiers throughout near-Earth, and eventually the entire Solar System and beyond), things will never be the same.Imagine never having to go to war because one country can literally cut another off from vital resources.
Imagine (speaking as an American,thank you) being able to combine our entrepreneurial spirit with unlimited resources and potential.I don't mean to sound goofy here, but there there really would be no  end  to what we could achieve.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625594</id>
	<title>Who controls the shit controls the world</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262423760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgq4w4dqKsU" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">Another lesson learned from film.</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another lesson learned from film .
[ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another lesson learned from film.
[youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30626106</id>
	<title>Re:Well if that's not a case for invasion</title>
	<author>phoenix321</author>
	<datestamp>1262427180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Umm, the Chinese did not cut off the supply of Opium. They cut off the demand for opium. The British were illegally smuggling opium from India into China, then the Chinese enforced their laws, <i>giving Britain the thinnest veil of excuse for an invasion.</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>

Fixed that for you.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Umm , the Chinese did not cut off the supply of Opium .
They cut off the demand for opium .
The British were illegally smuggling opium from India into China , then the Chinese enforced their laws , giving Britain the thinnest veil of excuse for an invasion .
Fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm, the Chinese did not cut off the supply of Opium.
They cut off the demand for opium.
The British were illegally smuggling opium from India into China, then the Chinese enforced their laws, giving Britain the thinnest veil of excuse for an invasion.
Fixed that for you.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30630198</id>
	<title>Re:and why not ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262551260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If clean room reverse engineered phones scare you, get ready. Guess where iPhones are made? And Motorola phones? Scared yet?</p><p>The funniest part though isn't your crazy overreaction, it's that the knockoff phone you so despise would work in almost any country in the world unlike the legitimate ones. No need to buy a new phone just because you're on holiday.</p><p>We need world money because of Chinese market manipulation? Now you have to be joking. Western countries are the worst for tarrifs and subsidies, or falsely inflating and under inflating values.</p><p>I don't know whether to laugh or cry. The Yellow Peril is alive and well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If clean room reverse engineered phones scare you , get ready .
Guess where iPhones are made ?
And Motorola phones ?
Scared yet ? The funniest part though is n't your crazy overreaction , it 's that the knockoff phone you so despise would work in almost any country in the world unlike the legitimate ones .
No need to buy a new phone just because you 're on holiday.We need world money because of Chinese market manipulation ?
Now you have to be joking .
Western countries are the worst for tarrifs and subsidies , or falsely inflating and under inflating values.I do n't know whether to laugh or cry .
The Yellow Peril is alive and well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If clean room reverse engineered phones scare you, get ready.
Guess where iPhones are made?
And Motorola phones?
Scared yet?The funniest part though isn't your crazy overreaction, it's that the knockoff phone you so despise would work in almost any country in the world unlike the legitimate ones.
No need to buy a new phone just because you're on holiday.We need world money because of Chinese market manipulation?
Now you have to be joking.
Western countries are the worst for tarrifs and subsidies, or falsely inflating and under inflating values.I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
The Yellow Peril is alive and well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30627208</id>
	<title>Fuck China</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262434200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Enough said.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Enough said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Enough said.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30628250</id>
	<title>Re:Well if that's not a case for invasion</title>
	<author>grcumb</author>
	<datestamp>1262442180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't know what is.</p><p>After all, last time, all the Chinese did to warrant invasion by Britain was cut off the opium supply. (google it if doubtful.)</p></div><p>Your point is correct, but unintentionally so. From Wikipedia:</p><blockquote><div><p>The Opium Wars<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... were the climax of trade disputes and diplomatic difficulties between China under the Qing Dynasty and the British Empire after China sought to restrict British opium traffickers.</p></div></blockquote><p>So yes, China was blocking the supply of opium... <em>to its own people</em>. The British were after Chinese commodities (esp. silk) and, like the whisky traders in the Old West, found that the cheapest way to procure these goods was by hooking people on Indian Opium and retaining a monopoly on its supply. The Chinese regime, for all its many faults, was actually acting in the interests of the its people in that particular case.</p><p>I agree with you that the Opium Wars are a fascinating example of international trade leveraged via force of arms. Well worth studying in detail.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I do n't know what is.After all , last time , all the Chinese did to warrant invasion by Britain was cut off the opium supply .
( google it if doubtful .
) Your point is correct , but unintentionally so .
From Wikipedia : The Opium Wars ... were the climax of trade disputes and diplomatic difficulties between China under the Qing Dynasty and the British Empire after China sought to restrict British opium traffickers.So yes , China was blocking the supply of opium... to its own people .
The British were after Chinese commodities ( esp .
silk ) and , like the whisky traders in the Old West , found that the cheapest way to procure these goods was by hooking people on Indian Opium and retaining a monopoly on its supply .
The Chinese regime , for all its many faults , was actually acting in the interests of the its people in that particular case.I agree with you that the Opium Wars are a fascinating example of international trade leveraged via force of arms .
Well worth studying in detail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know what is.After all, last time, all the Chinese did to warrant invasion by Britain was cut off the opium supply.
(google it if doubtful.
)Your point is correct, but unintentionally so.
From Wikipedia:The Opium Wars ... were the climax of trade disputes and diplomatic difficulties between China under the Qing Dynasty and the British Empire after China sought to restrict British opium traffickers.So yes, China was blocking the supply of opium... to its own people.
The British were after Chinese commodities (esp.
silk) and, like the whisky traders in the Old West, found that the cheapest way to procure these goods was by hooking people on Indian Opium and retaining a monopoly on its supply.
The Chinese regime, for all its many faults, was actually acting in the interests of the its people in that particular case.I agree with you that the Opium Wars are a fascinating example of international trade leveraged via force of arms.
Well worth studying in detail.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624502</id>
	<title>and why not ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262460660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They have fought to secure those same elements and done their homework. it gives them an economic advantage with both manufacturing and raw mining/refining done in the same place. most western countries in the same position would do the same as would any corporate entity in the western hemisphere. they can export the finished products at a huge markup compared to what they would get for raw minerals.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They have fought to secure those same elements and done their homework .
it gives them an economic advantage with both manufacturing and raw mining/refining done in the same place .
most western countries in the same position would do the same as would any corporate entity in the western hemisphere .
they can export the finished products at a huge markup compared to what they would get for raw minerals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have fought to secure those same elements and done their homework.
it gives them an economic advantage with both manufacturing and raw mining/refining done in the same place.
most western countries in the same position would do the same as would any corporate entity in the western hemisphere.
they can export the finished products at a huge markup compared to what they would get for raw minerals.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624652</id>
	<title>Re:and why not ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262461560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In a free trade system U.S. buyers could negotiate with various Chinese suppliers.  It sounds to me like the Chinese government is creating a defacto monopoly where there shouldn't be one.</p><p>We buy far too much chinese stuff as it is and it's largely due to the false economy of the chinese currency.  Another factor in the trade deficit is their willingness to simply rip off Western IP.  Most of their products are very low quality anyway and end up costing more in the long run.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a free trade system U.S. buyers could negotiate with various Chinese suppliers .
It sounds to me like the Chinese government is creating a defacto monopoly where there should n't be one.We buy far too much chinese stuff as it is and it 's largely due to the false economy of the chinese currency .
Another factor in the trade deficit is their willingness to simply rip off Western IP .
Most of their products are very low quality anyway and end up costing more in the long run .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a free trade system U.S. buyers could negotiate with various Chinese suppliers.
It sounds to me like the Chinese government is creating a defacto monopoly where there shouldn't be one.We buy far too much chinese stuff as it is and it's largely due to the false economy of the chinese currency.
Another factor in the trade deficit is their willingness to simply rip off Western IP.
Most of their products are very low quality anyway and end up costing more in the long run.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625088</id>
	<title>Crank up those old monazite and bastn&#228;site mi</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262464200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It could be that China will be able to continue controlling the supply of these types of elements as long as they pay their folks &euro; 0,25 a day to dig it out.</p><p>The cost of going green may go up if production has to shift to the more expensive-to-operate mines in Western countries.</p><p>Looks like there is a lot of the stuff around: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium#Occurrence\_and\_production</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It could be that China will be able to continue controlling the supply of these types of elements as long as they pay their folks    0,25 a day to dig it out.The cost of going green may go up if production has to shift to the more expensive-to-operate mines in Western countries.Looks like there is a lot of the stuff around : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium # Occurrence \ _and \ _production</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It could be that China will be able to continue controlling the supply of these types of elements as long as they pay their folks € 0,25 a day to dig it out.The cost of going green may go up if production has to shift to the more expensive-to-operate mines in Western countries.Looks like there is a lot of the stuff around: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium#Occurrence\_and\_production</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30631344</id>
	<title>Protectionism</title>
	<author>SHaFT7</author>
	<datestamp>1262530500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I love how China warned/pleaded with us not to have protectionism-style economics back when our economy first fell apart.  Now here they are, starting the same thing up....Guess I should have figured, everyone else will look out for themselves first....except us.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I love how China warned/pleaded with us not to have protectionism-style economics back when our economy first fell apart .
Now here they are , starting the same thing up....Guess I should have figured , everyone else will look out for themselves first....except us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love how China warned/pleaded with us not to have protectionism-style economics back when our economy first fell apart.
Now here they are, starting the same thing up....Guess I should have figured, everyone else will look out for themselves first....except us.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30627184</id>
	<title>Re:I wish I fully understood</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262434080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is it true that I could take $10,000 from the US and go to China and have x10 the shopping spree than I could in the States?</p></div><p>No, you can't.
</p><p>WalMart and practically every other retailer can, but you must spend your money with them. If you try to take $10,000 out, you'll be put on some list for suspicious financial transactions (at least), or have it confiscated if your paperwork isn't exactly up to snuff. And when you bring that 'stuff' back, the nice people at customs will want a cut of it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it true that I could take $ 10,000 from the US and go to China and have x10 the shopping spree than I could in the States ? No , you ca n't .
WalMart and practically every other retailer can , but you must spend your money with them .
If you try to take $ 10,000 out , you 'll be put on some list for suspicious financial transactions ( at least ) , or have it confiscated if your paperwork is n't exactly up to snuff .
And when you bring that 'stuff ' back , the nice people at customs will want a cut of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it true that I could take $10,000 from the US and go to China and have x10 the shopping spree than I could in the States?No, you can't.
WalMart and practically every other retailer can, but you must spend your money with them.
If you try to take $10,000 out, you'll be put on some list for suspicious financial transactions (at least), or have it confiscated if your paperwork isn't exactly up to snuff.
And when you bring that 'stuff' back, the nice people at customs will want a cut of it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625274</id>
	<title>Re:not so green, huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262465220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>there is a simpler way to "go green" and not be dependent on chinese exports of rare earth metals: a return to subsistence-style living and community-driven societies, with countries like Poland, who have just absolutely amazing self-reliant and vibrant communities, already leading the way in that regard, having not really changed their way of living for centuries in the first place as "technology" passed them by.</p></div><p>WTF are you talking about ? I'm from Poland and can assure you we live the same way as most of Europe/Western world.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>so the only remaining question to ask is: are you ready for that change</p></div><p>If you want to live like Amish then good luck but almost nobody is gonna join you.<br>Noone that has access to modern-day conveniences will give it up.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>there is a simpler way to " go green " and not be dependent on chinese exports of rare earth metals : a return to subsistence-style living and community-driven societies , with countries like Poland , who have just absolutely amazing self-reliant and vibrant communities , already leading the way in that regard , having not really changed their way of living for centuries in the first place as " technology " passed them by.WTF are you talking about ?
I 'm from Poland and can assure you we live the same way as most of Europe/Western world.so the only remaining question to ask is : are you ready for that changeIf you want to live like Amish then good luck but almost nobody is gon na join you.Noone that has access to modern-day conveniences will give it up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there is a simpler way to "go green" and not be dependent on chinese exports of rare earth metals: a return to subsistence-style living and community-driven societies, with countries like Poland, who have just absolutely amazing self-reliant and vibrant communities, already leading the way in that regard, having not really changed their way of living for centuries in the first place as "technology" passed them by.WTF are you talking about ?
I'm from Poland and can assure you we live the same way as most of Europe/Western world.so the only remaining question to ask is: are you ready for that changeIf you want to live like Amish then good luck but almost nobody is gonna join you.Noone that has access to modern-day conveniences will give it up.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624710</id>
	<title>Re:Well if that's not a case for invasion</title>
	<author>PatDev</author>
	<datestamp>1262461860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Umm, the Chinese did not cut off the supply of Opium.  They cut off the <i>demand</i> for opium.  The British were illegally smuggling opium from India into China, then the Chinese enforced their laws, leading to war.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm , the Chinese did not cut off the supply of Opium .
They cut off the demand for opium .
The British were illegally smuggling opium from India into China , then the Chinese enforced their laws , leading to war .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm, the Chinese did not cut off the supply of Opium.
They cut off the demand for opium.
The British were illegally smuggling opium from India into China, then the Chinese enforced their laws, leading to war.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625710</id>
	<title>Lithium as well I believe..</title>
	<author>SuperCharlie</author>
	<datestamp>1262424480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I saw a documentary a few months ago where the Chinese had secured much of the lithium (as in batteries) mines and were negotiating in Bolivia if I remember correctly for their undeveloped resources which apparently are enormous.

The problem here isn't China hoarding up the resources.. imho, it's our next quarter mentality.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I saw a documentary a few months ago where the Chinese had secured much of the lithium ( as in batteries ) mines and were negotiating in Bolivia if I remember correctly for their undeveloped resources which apparently are enormous .
The problem here is n't China hoarding up the resources.. imho , it 's our next quarter mentality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw a documentary a few months ago where the Chinese had secured much of the lithium (as in batteries) mines and were negotiating in Bolivia if I remember correctly for their undeveloped resources which apparently are enormous.
The problem here isn't China hoarding up the resources.. imho, it's our next quarter mentality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30627346</id>
	<title>Re:Always turning a blind eye</title>
	<author>fnj</author>
	<datestamp>1262435040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To the extent they reject the insane and evil concept of so-called intellectual property (which I do not believe is a very great extent), I CELEBRATE the Chinese!  Sorry about that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To the extent they reject the insane and evil concept of so-called intellectual property ( which I do not believe is a very great extent ) , I CELEBRATE the Chinese !
Sorry about that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To the extent they reject the insane and evil concept of so-called intellectual property (which I do not believe is a very great extent), I CELEBRATE the Chinese!
Sorry about that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625176</id>
	<title>I wish I fully understood</title>
	<author>insufflate10mg</author>
	<datestamp>1262464740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Please don't flame, this is genuine curiousity.  I wish I fully understood the fundamentals of the relationship between China and the US.  It seems to me, even through my veil of misunderstanding, that the Chinese economy has a stranglehold on the US economy due to inflation (or something along those lines). I want to know why this is incurable.  Is it true that I could take $10,000 from the US and go to China and have x10 the shopping spree than I could in the States?  Is that where the problem lies?  I'm all about reading and doing research, but I just don't understand where to begin.  I'm simply confused by the whole situation.  <br> <br>Not looking for rude comments, also not looking for a hand-out, but if someone more versed in economics than myself could give me a brief explanation or a step in the right direction I'd be very grateful.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please do n't flame , this is genuine curiousity .
I wish I fully understood the fundamentals of the relationship between China and the US .
It seems to me , even through my veil of misunderstanding , that the Chinese economy has a stranglehold on the US economy due to inflation ( or something along those lines ) .
I want to know why this is incurable .
Is it true that I could take $ 10,000 from the US and go to China and have x10 the shopping spree than I could in the States ?
Is that where the problem lies ?
I 'm all about reading and doing research , but I just do n't understand where to begin .
I 'm simply confused by the whole situation .
Not looking for rude comments , also not looking for a hand-out , but if someone more versed in economics than myself could give me a brief explanation or a step in the right direction I 'd be very grateful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please don't flame, this is genuine curiousity.
I wish I fully understood the fundamentals of the relationship between China and the US.
It seems to me, even through my veil of misunderstanding, that the Chinese economy has a stranglehold on the US economy due to inflation (or something along those lines).
I want to know why this is incurable.
Is it true that I could take $10,000 from the US and go to China and have x10 the shopping spree than I could in the States?
Is that where the problem lies?
I'm all about reading and doing research, but I just don't understand where to begin.
I'm simply confused by the whole situation.
Not looking for rude comments, also not looking for a hand-out, but if someone more versed in economics than myself could give me a brief explanation or a step in the right direction I'd be very grateful.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30626374</id>
	<title>Neodynmium mining for fun and profit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262428680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even the Saudis don't have infinite levers over oil pricing.  If the global price goes up too much they make a short term windfall but at a certain point it becomes feasable for the rest of the world to develop technologies to reclaim "less cheap" oil which over a longer term can be detremental to their profits.</p><p>China isn't the only place in the world Neodynmium can be obtained to meet world supply.  It may currently be the cheapest but the world will simply not sit on its hands and not increase their output as a result of scaracity of supply caused by artifical hoarding.  Markets don't work that way.</p><p>What is smart about this specific equation is that it may be possible to control demand for the raw materials by making it economically sound for companies to simply go thru China for finished product and the worlds markets might possibly tolerate such schemes to some degree if done right but I think more likely than not this will only put pressure on the rest of the world to increase their production to compensate which ultimately hurts China.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even the Saudis do n't have infinite levers over oil pricing .
If the global price goes up too much they make a short term windfall but at a certain point it becomes feasable for the rest of the world to develop technologies to reclaim " less cheap " oil which over a longer term can be detremental to their profits.China is n't the only place in the world Neodynmium can be obtained to meet world supply .
It may currently be the cheapest but the world will simply not sit on its hands and not increase their output as a result of scaracity of supply caused by artifical hoarding .
Markets do n't work that way.What is smart about this specific equation is that it may be possible to control demand for the raw materials by making it economically sound for companies to simply go thru China for finished product and the worlds markets might possibly tolerate such schemes to some degree if done right but I think more likely than not this will only put pressure on the rest of the world to increase their production to compensate which ultimately hurts China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even the Saudis don't have infinite levers over oil pricing.
If the global price goes up too much they make a short term windfall but at a certain point it becomes feasable for the rest of the world to develop technologies to reclaim "less cheap" oil which over a longer term can be detremental to their profits.China isn't the only place in the world Neodynmium can be obtained to meet world supply.
It may currently be the cheapest but the world will simply not sit on its hands and not increase their output as a result of scaracity of supply caused by artifical hoarding.
Markets don't work that way.What is smart about this specific equation is that it may be possible to control demand for the raw materials by making it economically sound for companies to simply go thru China for finished product and the worlds markets might possibly tolerate such schemes to some degree if done right but I think more likely than not this will only put pressure on the rest of the world to increase their production to compensate which ultimately hurts China.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624966</id>
	<title>Always turning a blind eye</title>
	<author>LockeOnLogic</author>
	<datestamp>1262463600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How long are we going to ignore China's blatant flouting of trade and IP law? Laws don't exist if they are not enforced. The world salivates at the thought of having access to the anticipated Chinese consumer base and keeps letting things slide to not endanger that opportunity. Are they really going to give us access?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How long are we going to ignore China 's blatant flouting of trade and IP law ?
Laws do n't exist if they are not enforced .
The world salivates at the thought of having access to the anticipated Chinese consumer base and keeps letting things slide to not endanger that opportunity .
Are they really going to give us access ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How long are we going to ignore China's blatant flouting of trade and IP law?
Laws don't exist if they are not enforced.
The world salivates at the thought of having access to the anticipated Chinese consumer base and keeps letting things slide to not endanger that opportunity.
Are they really going to give us access?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30631522</id>
	<title>The Middle Kingdom Arises!</title>
	<author>docwatson223</author>
	<datestamp>1262532600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All must bow to thier Chinese masters!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>All must bow to thier Chinese masters !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All must bow to thier Chinese masters!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30626006</id>
	<title>Re:Proof free trade is a failure.</title>
	<author>RocketRabbit</author>
	<datestamp>1262426400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Democrats and the Republicans are both equally guilty on free trade.</p><p>Looks like you fell for the trap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Democrats and the Republicans are both equally guilty on free trade.Looks like you fell for the trap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Democrats and the Republicans are both equally guilty on free trade.Looks like you fell for the trap.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30632190</id>
	<title>Unlike coal, you still have the rare earths</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262539860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unlike coal, you still have the rare earths. The amount you have is a limit on how MANY you can have operational at one time.</p><p>To INCREASE renewables, we need more of the RECYCLABLE components like neodymium. But to MAINTAIN coal power, we need MORE COAL.</p><p>What a fucking moron.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unlike coal , you still have the rare earths .
The amount you have is a limit on how MANY you can have operational at one time.To INCREASE renewables , we need more of the RECYCLABLE components like neodymium .
But to MAINTAIN coal power , we need MORE COAL.What a fucking moron .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unlike coal, you still have the rare earths.
The amount you have is a limit on how MANY you can have operational at one time.To INCREASE renewables, we need more of the RECYCLABLE components like neodymium.
But to MAINTAIN coal power, we need MORE COAL.What a fucking moron.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625120</id>
	<title>Re:Rare Earths Not Necessarily Rare</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262464380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, the current Chinese monopoly on current production for many of the elements is just because they've undercut all other producers, so rare earths are too cheap to be worth mining outside of China. There was quite a lot of rare-earth mining in the U.S. in the 1980s and 90s, and many of those mines are still waiting to be restarted when the price gets high enough to be worth it. <a href="http://www.molycorp.com/history.asp" title="molycorp.com">Here's</a> [molycorp.com] a timeline from the largest U.S. miner (currently not mining, but sitting around processing some existing stocks of ore).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , the current Chinese monopoly on current production for many of the elements is just because they 've undercut all other producers , so rare earths are too cheap to be worth mining outside of China .
There was quite a lot of rare-earth mining in the U.S. in the 1980s and 90s , and many of those mines are still waiting to be restarted when the price gets high enough to be worth it .
Here 's [ molycorp.com ] a timeline from the largest U.S. miner ( currently not mining , but sitting around processing some existing stocks of ore ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, the current Chinese monopoly on current production for many of the elements is just because they've undercut all other producers, so rare earths are too cheap to be worth mining outside of China.
There was quite a lot of rare-earth mining in the U.S. in the 1980s and 90s, and many of those mines are still waiting to be restarted when the price gets high enough to be worth it.
Here's [molycorp.com] a timeline from the largest U.S. miner (currently not mining, but sitting around processing some existing stocks of ore).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625166</id>
	<title>Re:not so green, huh?</title>
	<author>Miamicanes</author>
	<datestamp>1262464680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're assuming that 99\% of the people "preaching green" today won't say "fuck it, drill Alaska and mine coal" if gas costs more than $5/gallon for more than 3-6 months. If the only way to "go green" is to use rare earth elements, and China makes them too expensive, Europe might be fucked by its Greens and governments, but the US will just say 'screw green' and get on with life as usual.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're assuming that 99 \ % of the people " preaching green " today wo n't say " fuck it , drill Alaska and mine coal " if gas costs more than $ 5/gallon for more than 3-6 months .
If the only way to " go green " is to use rare earth elements , and China makes them too expensive , Europe might be fucked by its Greens and governments , but the US will just say 'screw green ' and get on with life as usual .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're assuming that 99\% of the people "preaching green" today won't say "fuck it, drill Alaska and mine coal" if gas costs more than $5/gallon for more than 3-6 months.
If the only way to "go green" is to use rare earth elements, and China makes them too expensive, Europe might be fucked by its Greens and governments, but the US will just say 'screw green' and get on with life as usual.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30626296</id>
	<title>Re:and why not ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262428260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What we did wrong is obvious, U.S. Corporations became multinational, and moved all the manufacturing and technology out. So we in the US no longer need professions like mechanical engineers or electrical engineers or mold maker or die makers or draftsman or assembly line workers, or textile workers, or janitors for the factory floors, or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....<br>Who besides management still has money to buy these products that we no longer make. Thank Bush for opening up the Chinese market</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What we did wrong is obvious , U.S. Corporations became multinational , and moved all the manufacturing and technology out .
So we in the US no longer need professions like mechanical engineers or electrical engineers or mold maker or die makers or draftsman or assembly line workers , or textile workers , or janitors for the factory floors , or ....Who besides management still has money to buy these products that we no longer make .
Thank Bush for opening up the Chinese market</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What we did wrong is obvious, U.S. Corporations became multinational, and moved all the manufacturing and technology out.
So we in the US no longer need professions like mechanical engineers or electrical engineers or mold maker or die makers or draftsman or assembly line workers, or textile workers, or janitors for the factory floors, or ....Who besides management still has money to buy these products that we no longer make.
Thank Bush for opening up the Chinese market</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625224</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624520</id>
	<title>Obviously</title>
	<author>headkase</author>
	<datestamp>1262460780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, no export of raw materials so that we buy finished parts from them.  And support all the industries in between mining and retail in <i>in China</i>.  Sounds like the WTO could have a bit of leverage considering how much <i>comes out of</i> China right now that could be gradually restricted...</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , no export of raw materials so that we buy finished parts from them .
And support all the industries in between mining and retail in in China .
Sounds like the WTO could have a bit of leverage considering how much comes out of China right now that could be gradually restricted.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, no export of raw materials so that we buy finished parts from them.
And support all the industries in between mining and retail in in China.
Sounds like the WTO could have a bit of leverage considering how much comes out of China right now that could be gradually restricted...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625224</id>
	<title>Re:and why not ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262464980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The rule you're looking for is "If it works, it isn't stupid."</p><p>And for China, the current economy works wonders of almost biblical proportions. Millions have now decent homes, electricity, food, water and clothing who previously had none. Billions in the world now have cheap commodities and consumer goods. They will not stop any time soon and frankly I can't hold it against them, because currently it works extremely well.</p><p>While we spend our energy battling ecological strawmen and Islam, China will begin to top out the US in terms of power and wealth.</p><p>I would rather ask what we did wrong so it could come to this, what our faults were concerning the trade balance, national debts, tax, regulations, protective tariffs and all that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The rule you 're looking for is " If it works , it is n't stupid .
" And for China , the current economy works wonders of almost biblical proportions .
Millions have now decent homes , electricity , food , water and clothing who previously had none .
Billions in the world now have cheap commodities and consumer goods .
They will not stop any time soon and frankly I ca n't hold it against them , because currently it works extremely well.While we spend our energy battling ecological strawmen and Islam , China will begin to top out the US in terms of power and wealth.I would rather ask what we did wrong so it could come to this , what our faults were concerning the trade balance , national debts , tax , regulations , protective tariffs and all that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The rule you're looking for is "If it works, it isn't stupid.
"And for China, the current economy works wonders of almost biblical proportions.
Millions have now decent homes, electricity, food, water and clothing who previously had none.
Billions in the world now have cheap commodities and consumer goods.
They will not stop any time soon and frankly I can't hold it against them, because currently it works extremely well.While we spend our energy battling ecological strawmen and Islam, China will begin to top out the US in terms of power and wealth.I would rather ask what we did wrong so it could come to this, what our faults were concerning the trade balance, national debts, tax, regulations, protective tariffs and all that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624652</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625782</id>
	<title>So what?</title>
	<author>theboogeyman</author>
	<datestamp>1262424900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>So what?  We should start reopening some of our own mines in the US.  For now we should continue buying them from the Chinese.   The great thing about this economic relationship is that we get the minerals and China has to deal with the pollution.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So what ?
We should start reopening some of our own mines in the US .
For now we should continue buying them from the Chinese .
The great thing about this economic relationship is that we get the minerals and China has to deal with the pollution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what?
We should start reopening some of our own mines in the US.
For now we should continue buying them from the Chinese.
The great thing about this economic relationship is that we get the minerals and China has to deal with the pollution.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30630550</id>
	<title>Re:not so green, huh?</title>
	<author>Nazlfrag</author>
	<datestamp>1262514660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those are the known reserves in current mines. Neodymium is about as abundant as lead, which is mined at the rate of over 3 million tonnes a year. The scarcity is nonexistent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those are the known reserves in current mines .
Neodymium is about as abundant as lead , which is mined at the rate of over 3 million tonnes a year .
The scarcity is nonexistent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those are the known reserves in current mines.
Neodymium is about as abundant as lead, which is mined at the rate of over 3 million tonnes a year.
The scarcity is nonexistent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625096</id>
	<title>I sense military action in the future</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1262464260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bad enough they are presently the worst global polluter, now they are hampering green tech materials?  If there is one thing I know, it's that when the U.S. wants something, the U.S. kills lots of people to get it.</p><p>Why doesn't China make whatever it is they want out of lead?  It's not just for toys you know.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bad enough they are presently the worst global polluter , now they are hampering green tech materials ?
If there is one thing I know , it 's that when the U.S. wants something , the U.S. kills lots of people to get it.Why does n't China make whatever it is they want out of lead ?
It 's not just for toys you know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bad enough they are presently the worst global polluter, now they are hampering green tech materials?
If there is one thing I know, it's that when the U.S. wants something, the U.S. kills lots of people to get it.Why doesn't China make whatever it is they want out of lead?
It's not just for toys you know.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625026</id>
	<title>Monopoly?</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1262463840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Having most actual mines don't mean that in the country is the only resource of the mineral, just the place that have in this moment most mines of it. If you can't build new mines for it in your own country or in a willing to sell country, you can try alternate approachs if can be done in an efficient way. Not sure if there is feasible to mine under the ocean (if could be there) or filtering it from the ocean itself, but in both places should be enough "rare" resources to make them look abundant.<br><br>There are ways around. Just dont even think in the usual historic way to get resources from "others".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Having most actual mines do n't mean that in the country is the only resource of the mineral , just the place that have in this moment most mines of it .
If you ca n't build new mines for it in your own country or in a willing to sell country , you can try alternate approachs if can be done in an efficient way .
Not sure if there is feasible to mine under the ocean ( if could be there ) or filtering it from the ocean itself , but in both places should be enough " rare " resources to make them look abundant.There are ways around .
Just dont even think in the usual historic way to get resources from " others " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having most actual mines don't mean that in the country is the only resource of the mineral, just the place that have in this moment most mines of it.
If you can't build new mines for it in your own country or in a willing to sell country, you can try alternate approachs if can be done in an efficient way.
Not sure if there is feasible to mine under the ocean (if could be there) or filtering it from the ocean itself, but in both places should be enough "rare" resources to make them look abundant.There are ways around.
Just dont even think in the usual historic way to get resources from "others".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625062</id>
	<title>Re:and why not ?</title>
	<author>madhurms</author>
	<datestamp>1262464020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe we should rename China as Pandora and Chinese as Na'vi?</p><p>Just saying.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe we should rename China as Pandora and Chinese as Na'vi ? Just saying.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe we should rename China as Pandora and Chinese as Na'vi?Just saying.....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30624652</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30627014</id>
	<title>You mean no more ma-ma-ma-magnets...</title>
	<author>macraig</author>
	<datestamp>1262432940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... to stick up my nostrils in polar alignment?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... to stick up my nostrils in polar alignment ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... to stick up my nostrils in polar alignment?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_1636212.30625492</id>
	<title>Freedom</title>
	<author>Godskitchen</author>
	<datestamp>1262423220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Freedom is spelled N-E-O-D-Y-N-I-U-M. And I'm sure the Americans have a duty to secure it!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Freedom is spelled N-E-O-D-Y-N-I-U-M. And I 'm sure the Americans have a duty to secure it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Freedom is spelled N-E-O-D-Y-N-I-U-M. And I'm sure the Americans have a duty to secure it!</sentencetext>
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