<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_30_1447220</id>
	<title>Google Nexus Rumored To Cost $530 Or $180 w/Plan</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1262196960000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>wkurzius writes <i>"The new Google phone, the Nexus One, is <a href="http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/rumor-google-nexus-one-530-unlocked-180-with-plan/">rumored to cost $530</a> unlocked and will work on any GSM network.  A subsidized version is also available for $180 and will get you a T-Mobile Even More Individual 500 Plan for 2-years with a $350 termination fee.  Access to the phone is supposed to be invite only at first, with January 5th being the supposed release date."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>wkurzius writes " The new Google phone , the Nexus One , is rumored to cost $ 530 unlocked and will work on any GSM network .
A subsidized version is also available for $ 180 and will get you a T-Mobile Even More Individual 500 Plan for 2-years with a $ 350 termination fee .
Access to the phone is supposed to be invite only at first , with January 5th being the supposed release date .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wkurzius writes "The new Google phone, the Nexus One, is rumored to cost $530 unlocked and will work on any GSM network.
A subsidized version is also available for $180 and will get you a T-Mobile Even More Individual 500 Plan for 2-years with a $350 termination fee.
Access to the phone is supposed to be invite only at first, with January 5th being the supposed release date.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598486</id>
	<title>Re:Invite only?</title>
	<author>FurrBear</author>
	<datestamp>1259873040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Isn't "Invite Only" the way Google handles all of their public Betas?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't " Invite Only " the way Google handles all of their public Betas ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't "Invite Only" the way Google handles all of their public Betas?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597140</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597204</id>
	<title>Invite only?</title>
	<author>nitelord</author>
	<datestamp>1259868180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Great, an INVITE ONLY phone? That's a first.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Great , an INVITE ONLY phone ?
That 's a first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great, an INVITE ONLY phone?
That's a first.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597394</id>
	<title>Re:Invite only?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259868960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's google's favourite little marketing ploy, to get everyone worked up and make their latest product(wave, voice, gmail, etc) seem elite and super-cool, each person who buys one is likely going to end up with a dozen invites of their own to send around, or sell on ebay... Fingers crossed they'll have the word "Beta" incribed on the facia of the phone, that'd make it super awesome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's google 's favourite little marketing ploy , to get everyone worked up and make their latest product ( wave , voice , gmail , etc ) seem elite and super-cool , each person who buys one is likely going to end up with a dozen invites of their own to send around , or sell on ebay... Fingers crossed they 'll have the word " Beta " incribed on the facia of the phone , that 'd make it super awesome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's google's favourite little marketing ploy, to get everyone worked up and make their latest product(wave, voice, gmail, etc) seem elite and super-cool, each person who buys one is likely going to end up with a dozen invites of their own to send around, or sell on ebay... Fingers crossed they'll have the word "Beta" incribed on the facia of the phone, that'd make it super awesome.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597140</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597466</id>
	<title>Re:Invite only?</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1259869260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There isn't a 'social aspect' to the phone other than using it to call other people.</p><p>Even most kids to who the 'social' aspect would be important don't give a shit beyond the basics.</p><p>People care more about the social aspect of their forks than they do about their phones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is n't a 'social aspect ' to the phone other than using it to call other people.Even most kids to who the 'social ' aspect would be important do n't give a shit beyond the basics.People care more about the social aspect of their forks than they do about their phones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There isn't a 'social aspect' to the phone other than using it to call other people.Even most kids to who the 'social' aspect would be important don't give a shit beyond the basics.People care more about the social aspect of their forks than they do about their phones.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597140</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598976</id>
	<title>Re:prices?</title>
	<author>pdscomp</author>
	<datestamp>1259832120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>T-Mobile's new 'Even More Plus' plans are no-contract, you can get 500 min + unlimited text/data for $59.99 a month, no contract involved. This would also work on T-Mo or AT&amp;T prepaid.</htmltext>
<tokenext>T-Mobile 's new 'Even More Plus ' plans are no-contract , you can get 500 min + unlimited text/data for $ 59.99 a month , no contract involved .
This would also work on T-Mo or AT&amp;T prepaid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>T-Mobile's new 'Even More Plus' plans are no-contract, you can get 500 min + unlimited text/data for $59.99 a month, no contract involved.
This would also work on T-Mo or AT&amp;T prepaid.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597306</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597114</id>
	<title>eat my shorts slashdot you too google !!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259867880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Eat my shorts slashdot you too google !!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Eat my shorts slashdot you too google !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eat my shorts slashdot you too google !
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30599306</id>
	<title>Re:No thanks</title>
	<author>rwa2</author>
	<datestamp>1259833560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it's like their other Android phones, it will likely support wifi as well, so that should take care of your occasional data sync needs... hopefully most of the apps are smart enough to still work while you're offline.</p><p>On T-Mobile, you can also get the $10/mo. wap/T-Zones/Web2Go browsing plan, which will basically give you full http / https web access through their proxy.  Admittedly this isn't full internet, so apps that won't work through their proxy (such as gmail, gmm, etc.) will fail, but it's still quite useful for the price (well, it used to be better when it only cost $3/mo.) .  But a little secret is that if you tether it up with a PDA or Laptop, you can get full internet access through their $10/mo. data plan for some reason.  Not terribly convenient compared to an always-on smartphone, but it's served me well plenty of times.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it 's like their other Android phones , it will likely support wifi as well , so that should take care of your occasional data sync needs... hopefully most of the apps are smart enough to still work while you 're offline.On T-Mobile , you can also get the $ 10/mo .
wap/T-Zones/Web2Go browsing plan , which will basically give you full http / https web access through their proxy .
Admittedly this is n't full internet , so apps that wo n't work through their proxy ( such as gmail , gmm , etc .
) will fail , but it 's still quite useful for the price ( well , it used to be better when it only cost $ 3/mo .
) .
But a little secret is that if you tether it up with a PDA or Laptop , you can get full internet access through their $ 10/mo .
data plan for some reason .
Not terribly convenient compared to an always-on smartphone , but it 's served me well plenty of times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it's like their other Android phones, it will likely support wifi as well, so that should take care of your occasional data sync needs... hopefully most of the apps are smart enough to still work while you're offline.On T-Mobile, you can also get the $10/mo.
wap/T-Zones/Web2Go browsing plan, which will basically give you full http / https web access through their proxy.
Admittedly this isn't full internet, so apps that won't work through their proxy (such as gmail, gmm, etc.
) will fail, but it's still quite useful for the price (well, it used to be better when it only cost $3/mo.
) .
But a little secret is that if you tether it up with a PDA or Laptop, you can get full internet access through their $10/mo.
data plan for some reason.
Not terribly convenient compared to an always-on smartphone, but it's served me well plenty of times.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597476</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597384</id>
	<title>GSM = Bad in San Diego</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259868900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The CDMA carriers are much better in San Diego, especially in the valleys and downtown.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The CDMA carriers are much better in San Diego , especially in the valleys and downtown .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The CDMA carriers are much better in San Diego, especially in the valleys and downtown.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597810</id>
	<title>Expected price</title>
	<author>irp</author>
	<datestamp>1259870640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Denmark, an unlocked HTC Hero costs ~620 USD. (including the Danish 25\% VAT).</p><p>Most people I know (myself included) buy phones unlocked (because my (current/prefered) phone company don't sell phones - but I like their simple "~10 USD/month for up to 1GB" data plan).</p><p>Using the "US to Danish price" conversion (multiply by 1.25, add some) it will cost around 670-700 USD in Denmark (of course payed in DKK).</p><p>The price does not surprise me. I am planning to replace my phone &#189; year from now (then my current phone will have survived 2+ years). It will probably be an Android based, in that price range.</p><p>For comparison, in Denmark, an iPhone (unlocked 3GS/32GB) costs ~1100 USD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Denmark , an unlocked HTC Hero costs ~ 620 USD .
( including the Danish 25 \ % VAT ) .Most people I know ( myself included ) buy phones unlocked ( because my ( current/prefered ) phone company do n't sell phones - but I like their simple " ~ 10 USD/month for up to 1GB " data plan ) .Using the " US to Danish price " conversion ( multiply by 1.25 , add some ) it will cost around 670-700 USD in Denmark ( of course payed in DKK ) .The price does not surprise me .
I am planning to replace my phone   year from now ( then my current phone will have survived 2 + years ) .
It will probably be an Android based , in that price range.For comparison , in Denmark , an iPhone ( unlocked 3GS/32GB ) costs ~ 1100 USD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Denmark, an unlocked HTC Hero costs ~620 USD.
(including the Danish 25\% VAT).Most people I know (myself included) buy phones unlocked (because my (current/prefered) phone company don't sell phones - but I like their simple "~10 USD/month for up to 1GB" data plan).Using the "US to Danish price" conversion (multiply by 1.25, add some) it will cost around 670-700 USD in Denmark (of course payed in DKK).The price does not surprise me.
I am planning to replace my phone ½ year from now (then my current phone will have survived 2+ years).
It will probably be an Android based, in that price range.For comparison, in Denmark, an iPhone (unlocked 3GS/32GB) costs ~1100 USD.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598752</id>
	<title>Re:No keyboard = do not want</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259831040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dial?  What is this dial of which you speak?</p><p>Oh, you mean "dial" as in "push buttons".  How quaint.</p><p>I use a bluetooth headset, and just press the button and read off the numbers I want to call (assuming it's for someone not in my phone book).</p><p>I get three benefits out of this:</p><p>1.  Everyone around me sees what an Important Person I am, and thinks, "wow, someone that technologically forward and yet tastelessly rude must be important."  Many of the females obviously think "and I must mate with him immediately!" but sadly I live in a prudish area, so they just look at me with longing, pass into a slight faint where their eyes roll back in their head, then glare because they are angry they can't have sex with me right away.</p><p>2.  I get to announce to everyone in earshot what number I am trying to call.  I just know everyone wants to know that.  It's important.</p><p>3.  When the phone misunderstands the number I meant to dial, complete strangers have the pleasure of speaking to me, albeit briefly.  Most of them understand the value of my time and, once they realize it's me, they remind me that I have important things to do and end the call.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dial ?
What is this dial of which you speak ? Oh , you mean " dial " as in " push buttons " .
How quaint.I use a bluetooth headset , and just press the button and read off the numbers I want to call ( assuming it 's for someone not in my phone book ) .I get three benefits out of this : 1 .
Everyone around me sees what an Important Person I am , and thinks , " wow , someone that technologically forward and yet tastelessly rude must be important .
" Many of the females obviously think " and I must mate with him immediately !
" but sadly I live in a prudish area , so they just look at me with longing , pass into a slight faint where their eyes roll back in their head , then glare because they are angry they ca n't have sex with me right away.2 .
I get to announce to everyone in earshot what number I am trying to call .
I just know everyone wants to know that .
It 's important.3 .
When the phone misunderstands the number I meant to dial , complete strangers have the pleasure of speaking to me , albeit briefly .
Most of them understand the value of my time and , once they realize it 's me , they remind me that I have important things to do and end the call .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dial?
What is this dial of which you speak?Oh, you mean "dial" as in "push buttons".
How quaint.I use a bluetooth headset, and just press the button and read off the numbers I want to call (assuming it's for someone not in my phone book).I get three benefits out of this:1.
Everyone around me sees what an Important Person I am, and thinks, "wow, someone that technologically forward and yet tastelessly rude must be important.
"  Many of the females obviously think "and I must mate with him immediately!
" but sadly I live in a prudish area, so they just look at me with longing, pass into a slight faint where their eyes roll back in their head, then glare because they are angry they can't have sex with me right away.2.
I get to announce to everyone in earshot what number I am trying to call.
I just know everyone wants to know that.
It's important.3.
When the phone misunderstands the number I meant to dial, complete strangers have the pleasure of speaking to me, albeit briefly.
Most of them understand the value of my time and, once they realize it's me, they remind me that I have important things to do and end the call.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597736</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597442</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>Spectre</author>
	<datestamp>1259869140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pick up an HTC Hero<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... CDMA, same phone internals, you'll have to wait a few months to get Android V2.0, but it will be out in early 2009.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pick up an HTC Hero ... CDMA , same phone internals , you 'll have to wait a few months to get Android V2.0 , but it will be out in early 2009 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pick up an HTC Hero ... CDMA, same phone internals, you'll have to wait a few months to get Android V2.0, but it will be out in early 2009.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597250</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30600678</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>rec9140</author>
	<datestamp>1259841840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BZZZT!</p><p>GSM was a ANTI US REACTION to CDMA.</p><p>The at the time PTT's of Europe were hell bent on using ANY TECH OTHER THAN US BASED CDMA.</p><p>There was not selection based on merits of the the tech of the time.</p><p>Well that didn't work so well as they ended up using CDMA any way when they went to UMTS aka W-CDMA.</p><p>Had Europe not been so short sighted to see better tech for the anti US fervor there wouldn't be the issues today of CDMA v. junk GSM. Every one would be on CDMA and better off!</p><p>Now we will have to wait till LTE, and maybe finally one standard will take over. Although at the rate the Voice side of the LTE group is moving it may never happen. And most of the US carriers are not going to trash their existing CDMA infrastructure. Most voice will probably remain on CMDA till LTE is well entrenched on the data side. So were likely to see CMDA voice and LTE data phones and then a slow migration to pure LTE as infrastructure and networks are upgraded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BZZZT ! GSM was a ANTI US REACTION to CDMA.The at the time PTT 's of Europe were hell bent on using ANY TECH OTHER THAN US BASED CDMA.There was not selection based on merits of the the tech of the time.Well that did n't work so well as they ended up using CDMA any way when they went to UMTS aka W-CDMA.Had Europe not been so short sighted to see better tech for the anti US fervor there would n't be the issues today of CDMA v. junk GSM .
Every one would be on CDMA and better off ! Now we will have to wait till LTE , and maybe finally one standard will take over .
Although at the rate the Voice side of the LTE group is moving it may never happen .
And most of the US carriers are not going to trash their existing CDMA infrastructure .
Most voice will probably remain on CMDA till LTE is well entrenched on the data side .
So were likely to see CMDA voice and LTE data phones and then a slow migration to pure LTE as infrastructure and networks are upgraded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BZZZT!GSM was a ANTI US REACTION to CDMA.The at the time PTT's of Europe were hell bent on using ANY TECH OTHER THAN US BASED CDMA.There was not selection based on merits of the the tech of the time.Well that didn't work so well as they ended up using CDMA any way when they went to UMTS aka W-CDMA.Had Europe not been so short sighted to see better tech for the anti US fervor there wouldn't be the issues today of CDMA v. junk GSM.
Every one would be on CDMA and better off!Now we will have to wait till LTE, and maybe finally one standard will take over.
Although at the rate the Voice side of the LTE group is moving it may never happen.
And most of the US carriers are not going to trash their existing CDMA infrastructure.
Most voice will probably remain on CMDA till LTE is well entrenched on the data side.
So were likely to see CMDA voice and LTE data phones and then a slow migration to pure LTE as infrastructure and networks are upgraded.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30599478</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597140</id>
	<title>Invite only?</title>
	<author>MBGMorden</author>
	<datestamp>1259867940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously?  Since when the hell is the ability to buy a phone "invite only"?  I swear the social aspect of phone ownership is getting ridiculous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously ?
Since when the hell is the ability to buy a phone " invite only " ?
I swear the social aspect of phone ownership is getting ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously?
Since when the hell is the ability to buy a phone "invite only"?
I swear the social aspect of phone ownership is getting ridiculous.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597836</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1259870760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you have to wait a few months for something that will be out in early 2009, you are doing something wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have to wait a few months for something that will be out in early 2009 , you are doing something wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have to wait a few months for something that will be out in early 2009, you are doing something wrong.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597442</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30600972</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1259843760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not the same, the Hero has less ram, and a slower processor. I have one of those, while it can be pretty fast with a custom hacked kernel it is definitely not in the same speed range as the Droid or even remotely in the same one as the Nexus One!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not the same , the Hero has less ram , and a slower processor .
I have one of those , while it can be pretty fast with a custom hacked kernel it is definitely not in the same speed range as the Droid or even remotely in the same one as the Nexus One !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not the same, the Hero has less ram, and a slower processor.
I have one of those, while it can be pretty fast with a custom hacked kernel it is definitely not in the same speed range as the Droid or even remotely in the same one as the Nexus One!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597442</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30602782</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259860440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There will be no CDMA (CDMA2000) follow-on. Qualcomm was preparing a standard known as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra\_Mobile\_Broadband" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">UMB (Ultra Mobile Broadband)</a> [wikipedia.org] but when the last CDMA strongholds (Verizon in the US, au/KDDI in Japan and Korean carriers) signalled that they were going to migrate to LTE, Qualcomm decided to get out of the business.</p><p>In addition, China has also chosen LTE to succeed its national 3G standard (TD-SCDMA or whatever it's called).</p><p>What this means is that when LTE arrives, we'll finally have a single worldwide standard. Of course, frequency bands will still be different in some countries but I suspect multiband LTE phones will be available from day one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There will be no CDMA ( CDMA2000 ) follow-on .
Qualcomm was preparing a standard known as UMB ( Ultra Mobile Broadband ) [ wikipedia.org ] but when the last CDMA strongholds ( Verizon in the US , au/KDDI in Japan and Korean carriers ) signalled that they were going to migrate to LTE , Qualcomm decided to get out of the business.In addition , China has also chosen LTE to succeed its national 3G standard ( TD-SCDMA or whatever it 's called ) .What this means is that when LTE arrives , we 'll finally have a single worldwide standard .
Of course , frequency bands will still be different in some countries but I suspect multiband LTE phones will be available from day one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There will be no CDMA (CDMA2000) follow-on.
Qualcomm was preparing a standard known as UMB (Ultra Mobile Broadband) [wikipedia.org] but when the last CDMA strongholds (Verizon in the US, au/KDDI in Japan and Korean carriers) signalled that they were going to migrate to LTE, Qualcomm decided to get out of the business.In addition, China has also chosen LTE to succeed its national 3G standard (TD-SCDMA or whatever it's called).What this means is that when LTE arrives, we'll finally have a single worldwide standard.
Of course, frequency bands will still be different in some countries but I suspect multiband LTE phones will be available from day one.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598702</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30601510</id>
	<title>Re:Very disappointing</title>
	<author>Daetrin</author>
	<datestamp>1259847900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"<i>There are a lot of disappointed people over @ nexusoneforum.net with regards to the pricing. It sounds to me like Google lost alot of good will with such a high unsubsidized price.</i>"<br>
<br>
So in the total absence of any confirmation from Google, a bunch of people fantasized that Google would somehow manage to release a brand new high tech phone for a fraction of the price of slightly less advanced phones already out on the market? And when the next rumor seems to indicate the Google won't be doing this it disappointed said people who then blame it all on Google?<br>
<br>
I suppose anyone has the right to be disappointed with anything they want, but getting upset that Google didn't follow through on something Google never said and then saying that lost Google a lot of good will seems to indicate being slightly out of touch with reality to me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" There are a lot of disappointed people over @ nexusoneforum.net with regards to the pricing .
It sounds to me like Google lost alot of good will with such a high unsubsidized price .
" So in the total absence of any confirmation from Google , a bunch of people fantasized that Google would somehow manage to release a brand new high tech phone for a fraction of the price of slightly less advanced phones already out on the market ?
And when the next rumor seems to indicate the Google wo n't be doing this it disappointed said people who then blame it all on Google ?
I suppose anyone has the right to be disappointed with anything they want , but getting upset that Google did n't follow through on something Google never said and then saying that lost Google a lot of good will seems to indicate being slightly out of touch with reality to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"There are a lot of disappointed people over @ nexusoneforum.net with regards to the pricing.
It sounds to me like Google lost alot of good will with such a high unsubsidized price.
"

So in the total absence of any confirmation from Google, a bunch of people fantasized that Google would somehow manage to release a brand new high tech phone for a fraction of the price of slightly less advanced phones already out on the market?
And when the next rumor seems to indicate the Google won't be doing this it disappointed said people who then blame it all on Google?
I suppose anyone has the right to be disappointed with anything they want, but getting upset that Google didn't follow through on something Google never said and then saying that lost Google a lot of good will seems to indicate being slightly out of touch with reality to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597622</id>
	<title>Re:Invite only?</title>
	<author>Sockatume</author>
	<datestamp>1259869980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's probably to restrict a limited initial stock of the device to the customers who will give the greatest return. Who ever thought that a ubiquitous item, and one that performs communications at that, might have a social aspect though, eh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's probably to restrict a limited initial stock of the device to the customers who will give the greatest return .
Who ever thought that a ubiquitous item , and one that performs communications at that , might have a social aspect though , eh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's probably to restrict a limited initial stock of the device to the customers who will give the greatest return.
Who ever thought that a ubiquitous item, and one that performs communications at that, might have a social aspect though, eh?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597140</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597198</id>
	<title>Subsidy lock?</title>
	<author>alecto</author>
	<datestamp>1259868120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If someone buys the phone with the subsidy then subsequently leaves T-mo and pays the ETF, will T-mo unlock the phone? Also, is the ETF prorated? In any case, it seems that the combination of a cheap phone for voice and a netbook/laptop + WiFi or if ubiquitous access is necessary a data stick are a better deal for the money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If someone buys the phone with the subsidy then subsequently leaves T-mo and pays the ETF , will T-mo unlock the phone ?
Also , is the ETF prorated ?
In any case , it seems that the combination of a cheap phone for voice and a netbook/laptop + WiFi or if ubiquitous access is necessary a data stick are a better deal for the money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If someone buys the phone with the subsidy then subsequently leaves T-mo and pays the ETF, will T-mo unlock the phone?
Also, is the ETF prorated?
In any case, it seems that the combination of a cheap phone for voice and a netbook/laptop + WiFi or if ubiquitous access is necessary a data stick are a better deal for the money.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30600584</id>
	<title>Re:A little more competition is a good thing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259841120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you get a plan with them, T-Mobile lets you pay for the cost of a phone in installments, interest-free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you get a plan with them , T-Mobile lets you pay for the cost of a phone in installments , interest-free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you get a plan with them, T-Mobile lets you pay for the cost of a phone in installments, interest-free.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597158</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30599510</id>
	<title>Re:No keyboard = do not want</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259834580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For $530, I expect, nay, demand, to have actual physical buttons to dial with.</p></div><p>YAWN.  Nobody cares about what you want.  but your post gets rated up anyway because its idealizes the good old times, a guaranteed mod point winner</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For $ 530 , I expect , nay , demand , to have actual physical buttons to dial with.YAWN .
Nobody cares about what you want .
but your post gets rated up anyway because its idealizes the good old times , a guaranteed mod point winner</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For $530, I expect, nay, demand, to have actual physical buttons to dial with.YAWN.
Nobody cares about what you want.
but your post gets rated up anyway because its idealizes the good old times, a guaranteed mod point winner
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597736</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30600256</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259839140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Forgot about D-AMPS which was a 2G technology rolled out in the US before GSM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Forgot about D-AMPS which was a 2G technology rolled out in the US before GSM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Forgot about D-AMPS which was a 2G technology rolled out in the US before GSM.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598702</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30600696</id>
	<title>Re:whining about prices</title>
	<author>cstacy</author>
	<datestamp>1259841960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Your old phone won't stop working in the interim if you don't have the latest whizbang handset the day after its release.</p></div><p>Actually, your old phone might stop working at any point.  My Blackberry Storm didn't work when I got it from Verizon, then I downloaded a bootleg/leaked OS release from RIM and it worked well for a while.   Then more recently Verizon downloaded their latest OS release onto my phone.  The result is that web search no longer works (that is, they disabled the ability to use WP or Google, having signed an exclusive M$ contract to allow only Bing); and also they broke VZ Navigator (all of the functionality of remembering locations such as Home or favorites is totally broken and non-functional now).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your old phone wo n't stop working in the interim if you do n't have the latest whizbang handset the day after its release.Actually , your old phone might stop working at any point .
My Blackberry Storm did n't work when I got it from Verizon , then I downloaded a bootleg/leaked OS release from RIM and it worked well for a while .
Then more recently Verizon downloaded their latest OS release onto my phone .
The result is that web search no longer works ( that is , they disabled the ability to use WP or Google , having signed an exclusive M $ contract to allow only Bing ) ; and also they broke VZ Navigator ( all of the functionality of remembering locations such as Home or favorites is totally broken and non-functional now ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your old phone won't stop working in the interim if you don't have the latest whizbang handset the day after its release.Actually, your old phone might stop working at any point.
My Blackberry Storm didn't work when I got it from Verizon, then I downloaded a bootleg/leaked OS release from RIM and it worked well for a while.
Then more recently Verizon downloaded their latest OS release onto my phone.
The result is that web search no longer works (that is, they disabled the ability to use WP or Google, having signed an exclusive M$ contract to allow only Bing); and also they broke VZ Navigator (all of the functionality of remembering locations such as Home or favorites is totally broken and non-functional now).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597242</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30600210</id>
	<title>Re:whining about prices</title>
	<author>j\_kenpo</author>
	<datestamp>1259838840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"You said whizbang."</p><p>Chairs, Lamps, Globe, and Laurence Fishburne: "AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" You said whizbang .
" Chairs , Lamps , Globe , and Laurence Fishburne : " AHHHHHHHHHHH ! ! !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"You said whizbang.
"Chairs, Lamps, Globe, and Laurence Fishburne: "AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597242</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597906</id>
	<title>Re:Invite only?</title>
	<author>PieSquared</author>
	<datestamp>1259871000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Google starts many of their services as invite-only. Consider it a beta test where the testers have to pay for the privilege, and are strictly limited in number. As opposed to all the other recent smartphones where the beta testers had to pay for the privilege but weren't limited in number.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Google starts many of their services as invite-only .
Consider it a beta test where the testers have to pay for the privilege , and are strictly limited in number .
As opposed to all the other recent smartphones where the beta testers had to pay for the privilege but were n't limited in number .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google starts many of their services as invite-only.
Consider it a beta test where the testers have to pay for the privilege, and are strictly limited in number.
As opposed to all the other recent smartphones where the beta testers had to pay for the privilege but weren't limited in number.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597140</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598702</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259830860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Like another poster says in reply to this, there's a lot you've gotten wrong here. You seem to have your technologies confused.</p><ul> <li>AMPS (the original analog cell) is first gen.</li><li>Next came GSM, a 2G technology</li><li>CDMA rolled around first in the IS-95 standard, also 2G.</li><li>GSM folks upgraded with GPRS (and later EDGE) making 2.5G networks</li><li>CDMA2000 is a family of 3-3.5G technologies (1x, 1xEVDO/revA/revB)</li><li>GSM people realized that CDMA &gt; TDMA when they got together to make WCDMA (also called UMTS). From a simple view, UMTS is CDMA, but using a 5 MHz frequency band, rather than the ~1.25 MHz band that CMDA uses.  There's more to it, of course.</li><li>3.5G networks use UMTS + HSPA/HSPA+.  Not that there are really many networks that use anything more than the 3.6Mbps HSPA. (which, incidentally isn't much faster than EVDOrA @ 3.1 Mbps)</li><li>4G is LTE and WiMax (sort of).</li></ul><p>The only reason that smartphones make more sense at the moment on GSM/UMTS networks has nothing to do with the technology involved, but the economics. There are a lot more people on GSM/UMTS networks than CDMA, mostly due to the fact that CDMA was a late comer to the cell phone game. My guess is that the CDMA follow-on will come later in the year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like another poster says in reply to this , there 's a lot you 've gotten wrong here .
You seem to have your technologies confused .
AMPS ( the original analog cell ) is first gen.Next came GSM , a 2G technologyCDMA rolled around first in the IS-95 standard , also 2G.GSM folks upgraded with GPRS ( and later EDGE ) making 2.5G networksCDMA2000 is a family of 3-3.5G technologies ( 1x , 1xEVDO/revA/revB ) GSM people realized that CDMA &gt; TDMA when they got together to make WCDMA ( also called UMTS ) .
From a simple view , UMTS is CDMA , but using a 5 MHz frequency band , rather than the ~ 1.25 MHz band that CMDA uses .
There 's more to it , of course.3.5G networks use UMTS + HSPA/HSPA + .
Not that there are really many networks that use anything more than the 3.6Mbps HSPA .
( which , incidentally is n't much faster than EVDOrA @ 3.1 Mbps ) 4G is LTE and WiMax ( sort of ) .The only reason that smartphones make more sense at the moment on GSM/UMTS networks has nothing to do with the technology involved , but the economics .
There are a lot more people on GSM/UMTS networks than CDMA , mostly due to the fact that CDMA was a late comer to the cell phone game .
My guess is that the CDMA follow-on will come later in the year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like another poster says in reply to this, there's a lot you've gotten wrong here.
You seem to have your technologies confused.
AMPS (the original analog cell) is first gen.Next came GSM, a 2G technologyCDMA rolled around first in the IS-95 standard, also 2G.GSM folks upgraded with GPRS (and later EDGE) making 2.5G networksCDMA2000 is a family of 3-3.5G technologies (1x, 1xEVDO/revA/revB)GSM people realized that CDMA &gt; TDMA when they got together to make WCDMA (also called UMTS).
From a simple view, UMTS is CDMA, but using a 5 MHz frequency band, rather than the ~1.25 MHz band that CMDA uses.
There's more to it, of course.3.5G networks use UMTS + HSPA/HSPA+.
Not that there are really many networks that use anything more than the 3.6Mbps HSPA.
(which, incidentally isn't much faster than EVDOrA @ 3.1 Mbps)4G is LTE and WiMax (sort of).The only reason that smartphones make more sense at the moment on GSM/UMTS networks has nothing to do with the technology involved, but the economics.
There are a lot more people on GSM/UMTS networks than CDMA, mostly due to the fact that CDMA was a late comer to the cell phone game.
My guess is that the CDMA follow-on will come later in the year.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597662</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597392</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>gibbsjoh</author>
	<datestamp>1259868960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Outside the US (and Japan?), it's GSM - something like 3 billion handsets according to the GSM Association. Not saying one is better than the other, just that GSM has a far higher market share worldwide.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Outside the US ( and Japan ?
) , it 's GSM - something like 3 billion handsets according to the GSM Association .
Not saying one is better than the other , just that GSM has a far higher market share worldwide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Outside the US (and Japan?
), it's GSM - something like 3 billion handsets according to the GSM Association.
Not saying one is better than the other, just that GSM has a far higher market share worldwide.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597250</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30602052</id>
	<title>If it follows the pattern...</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1259852700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If this phone follows the pattern of most "new" type tech items released in the last couple years, that $530 will turn into $670, and the $180 will turn into $295 - or something like that.</p><p>I swear, I'm getting sick of this false advertising. Everyone's doing it, and it's gotten to the point of being predictable: see something "coming soon for around x" and you can typically tack on $100 or 20\%, whichever is greater, and be closer to the actual price than the one they provided.</p><p>Google can do a lot to bring people to their side of the fence by being honest about this kind of thing. Here's not holding my breath.</p><p>Even still, $180 (if they hit it) is a lot, considering you can get a Touch Pro 2 for, essentially, no more than shipping via special deals on T-mobile.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If this phone follows the pattern of most " new " type tech items released in the last couple years , that $ 530 will turn into $ 670 , and the $ 180 will turn into $ 295 - or something like that.I swear , I 'm getting sick of this false advertising .
Everyone 's doing it , and it 's gotten to the point of being predictable : see something " coming soon for around x " and you can typically tack on $ 100 or 20 \ % , whichever is greater , and be closer to the actual price than the one they provided.Google can do a lot to bring people to their side of the fence by being honest about this kind of thing .
Here 's not holding my breath.Even still , $ 180 ( if they hit it ) is a lot , considering you can get a Touch Pro 2 for , essentially , no more than shipping via special deals on T-mobile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this phone follows the pattern of most "new" type tech items released in the last couple years, that $530 will turn into $670, and the $180 will turn into $295 - or something like that.I swear, I'm getting sick of this false advertising.
Everyone's doing it, and it's gotten to the point of being predictable: see something "coming soon for around x" and you can typically tack on $100 or 20\%, whichever is greater, and be closer to the actual price than the one they provided.Google can do a lot to bring people to their side of the fence by being honest about this kind of thing.
Here's not holding my breath.Even still, $180 (if they hit it) is a lot, considering you can get a Touch Pro 2 for, essentially, no more than shipping via special deals on T-mobile.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30601616</id>
	<title>530 USD?</title>
	<author>MathiasRav</author>
	<datestamp>1259848920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sweet, that's like, <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=530+USD+in+EUR" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">370 euro</a> [google.com]!</p><p>No, wait, I forgot, <a href="http://patphelan.net/apple-ipod-touch-same-price-in-usd-or-euro/" title="patphelan.net" rel="nofollow">that's not how you convert currency in this business</a> [patphelan.net].</p><p>I'm only speculating here, it's not really even an educated guess, but I'm scarred from seeing the US dollar depreciating like that and European as well as American prices in the Apple stores staying constant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sweet , that 's like , 370 euro [ google.com ] ! No , wait , I forgot , that 's not how you convert currency in this business [ patphelan.net ] .I 'm only speculating here , it 's not really even an educated guess , but I 'm scarred from seeing the US dollar depreciating like that and European as well as American prices in the Apple stores staying constant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sweet, that's like, 370 euro [google.com]!No, wait, I forgot, that's not how you convert currency in this business [patphelan.net].I'm only speculating here, it's not really even an educated guess, but I'm scarred from seeing the US dollar depreciating like that and European as well as American prices in the Apple stores staying constant.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598072</id>
	<title>Re:No keyboard = do not want</title>
	<author>tverbeek</author>
	<datestamp>1259871600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For that price, I want a <i>dial</i> to dial with.  And when it rings, I want it to <i>ring</i>, not warble some digital music.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For that price , I want a dial to dial with .
And when it rings , I want it to ring , not warble some digital music .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For that price, I want a dial to dial with.
And when it rings, I want it to ring, not warble some digital music.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597736</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30599418</id>
	<title>Re:No thanks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259834100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>The subsidised plan is $80 a month when you take away the price of the phone, so the unsub plan would need to be less than $65 per month to make it cheaper.</i> <br>
<br>
If you go look at the T-Mobile website, you can get the unsubsidized 500min+text+web for $59.99, or unlimited+text+web for $79.99. The subsidized price is $79.99 for that 500min plan, so that's 20 bucks a month saved right there. If I can get my employer's 10\% discount on top of that $59.99 plan, things are looking pretty decent all around (~$65 after taxes), albeit with a ~$600 initial outlay.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The subsidised plan is $ 80 a month when you take away the price of the phone , so the unsub plan would need to be less than $ 65 per month to make it cheaper .
If you go look at the T-Mobile website , you can get the unsubsidized 500min + text + web for $ 59.99 , or unlimited + text + web for $ 79.99 .
The subsidized price is $ 79.99 for that 500min plan , so that 's 20 bucks a month saved right there .
If I can get my employer 's 10 \ % discount on top of that $ 59.99 plan , things are looking pretty decent all around ( ~ $ 65 after taxes ) , albeit with a ~ $ 600 initial outlay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The subsidised plan is $80 a month when you take away the price of the phone, so the unsub plan would need to be less than $65 per month to make it cheaper.
If you go look at the T-Mobile website, you can get the unsubsidized 500min+text+web for $59.99, or unlimited+text+web for $79.99.
The subsidized price is $79.99 for that 500min plan, so that's 20 bucks a month saved right there.
If I can get my employer's 10\% discount on top of that $59.99 plan, things are looking pretty decent all around (~$65 after taxes), albeit with a ~$600 initial outlay.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597476</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597162</id>
	<title>No thanks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259868000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <b>Those wanting to buy the handset subsidized will pay $180 and have to sign up for a two year contract</b>. There appears to be only one plan available for these customers, and that is the T-Mobile Even More Individual 500 Plan, which gives you 500 minutes, free weekend and in-network calls and unlimited SMS, MMS and data. <b>That bring the total cost over two years to $2,100</b>.</p></div><p>The unsubsidized price + a data plan is vastly cheaper</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Those wanting to buy the handset subsidized will pay $ 180 and have to sign up for a two year contract .
There appears to be only one plan available for these customers , and that is the T-Mobile Even More Individual 500 Plan , which gives you 500 minutes , free weekend and in-network calls and unlimited SMS , MMS and data .
That bring the total cost over two years to $ 2,100.The unsubsidized price + a data plan is vastly cheaper</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Those wanting to buy the handset subsidized will pay $180 and have to sign up for a two year contract.
There appears to be only one plan available for these customers, and that is the T-Mobile Even More Individual 500 Plan, which gives you 500 minutes, free weekend and in-network calls and unlimited SMS, MMS and data.
That bring the total cost over two years to $2,100.The unsubsidized price + a data plan is vastly cheaper
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598408</id>
	<title>Nokia N900</title>
	<author>kurt555gs</author>
	<datestamp>1259872740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can buy an N900 for $569.00. As long as you are going to drop that kind of change, why would you limit yourself to an Android fone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can buy an N900 for $ 569.00 .
As long as you are going to drop that kind of change , why would you limit yourself to an Android fone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can buy an N900 for $569.00.
As long as you are going to drop that kind of change, why would you limit yourself to an Android fone?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30602542</id>
	<title>Don't forget me!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259857560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd just like to get an android upgrade on my HTC Hero.  You know, the one that's been promised since release?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd just like to get an android upgrade on my HTC Hero .
You know , the one that 's been promised since release ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd just like to get an android upgrade on my HTC Hero.
You know, the one that's been promised since release?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30601732</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>iron-kurton</author>
	<datestamp>1259849940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>By the way, I'm not sure why you got modded off-topic. I think your question *is* relevant to this story...</htmltext>
<tokenext>By the way , I 'm not sure why you got modded off-topic .
I think your question * is * relevant to this story.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By the way, I'm not sure why you got modded off-topic.
I think your question *is* relevant to this story...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597250</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597242</id>
	<title>whining about prices</title>
	<author>Ritz\_Just\_Ritz</author>
	<datestamp>1259868300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Like all the other smartphones in recent memory, they cost a fortune if you're an early adopter.  If you don't want to get mugged then just wait a couple of months for the hoopla to die down.  Your old phone won't stop working in the interim if you don't have the latest whizbang handset the day after its release.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like all the other smartphones in recent memory , they cost a fortune if you 're an early adopter .
If you do n't want to get mugged then just wait a couple of months for the hoopla to die down .
Your old phone wo n't stop working in the interim if you do n't have the latest whizbang handset the day after its release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like all the other smartphones in recent memory, they cost a fortune if you're an early adopter.
If you don't want to get mugged then just wait a couple of months for the hoopla to die down.
Your old phone won't stop working in the interim if you don't have the latest whizbang handset the day after its release.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598174</id>
	<title>Re:A little more competition is a good thing</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1259872020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Note there are smartphones in the low end too (e.g., the Nokia 5800 I got without contract at &pound;180).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Note there are smartphones in the low end too ( e.g. , the Nokia 5800 I got without contract at   180 ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Note there are smartphones in the low end too (e.g., the Nokia 5800 I got without contract at £180).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597158</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30599832</id>
	<title>Re:A little more competition is a good thing</title>
	<author>vosester</author>
	<datestamp>1259836320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok mate apples and oranges, embedded devices have higher cost for many reasons.<br>Making mobile&rsquo;s is expensive. Putting then together and developing them cost a lot more as people expect a level of service above that of a netbook.</p><p>If you call was drop because your Anti-Virus was updating you would irritated to no end.</p><p>Plus operating system need to be design for mobile needs even Linux.<br>This is not &ldquo;Slap Windows on it and sell it&rdquo; kind of market.</p><p>Also production cost are not on the same level as common P.C/Laptop parts how many 3.5 screens are made V.S 8.9 - 13 laptop screens.</p><p>Not to mention the thousand other reasons, I think the Google phone price is really low for what you get.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok mate apples and oranges , embedded devices have higher cost for many reasons.Making mobile    s is expensive .
Putting then together and developing them cost a lot more as people expect a level of service above that of a netbook.If you call was drop because your Anti-Virus was updating you would irritated to no end.Plus operating system need to be design for mobile needs even Linux.This is not    Slap Windows on it and sell it    kind of market.Also production cost are not on the same level as common P.C/Laptop parts how many 3.5 screens are made V.S 8.9 - 13 laptop screens.Not to mention the thousand other reasons , I think the Google phone price is really low for what you get .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok mate apples and oranges, embedded devices have higher cost for many reasons.Making mobile’s is expensive.
Putting then together and developing them cost a lot more as people expect a level of service above that of a netbook.If you call was drop because your Anti-Virus was updating you would irritated to no end.Plus operating system need to be design for mobile needs even Linux.This is not “Slap Windows on it and sell it” kind of market.Also production cost are not on the same level as common P.C/Laptop parts how many 3.5 screens are made V.S 8.9 - 13 laptop screens.Not to mention the thousand other reasons, I think the Google phone price is really low for what you get.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597158</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30599040</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>babyrat</author>
	<datestamp>1259832420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wasn't 'Droid' one of the new cool phones not too long ago?  I know it's been a whole month or two...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Was n't 'Droid ' one of the new cool phones not too long ago ?
I know it 's been a whole month or two.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wasn't 'Droid' one of the new cool phones not too long ago?
I know it's been a whole month or two...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597250</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597904</id>
	<title>An ode to Southpark</title>
	<author>Stick32</author>
	<datestamp>1259871000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They are clearly applying the "you can't come here" approach to marketing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are clearly applying the " you ca n't come here " approach to marketing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are clearly applying the "you can't come here" approach to marketing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597140</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597158</id>
	<title>A little more competition is a good thing</title>
	<author>DJRumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1259868000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can only hope this brings down the cost of these phones. The prices are already greater than the cost of netbooks and bargain laptops/desktops. I realize that miniaturization is a factor, but we really need more strong competitors in this area. I would much prefer a non-subsidized phone except the price is a little daunting all in one lump sum.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can only hope this brings down the cost of these phones .
The prices are already greater than the cost of netbooks and bargain laptops/desktops .
I realize that miniaturization is a factor , but we really need more strong competitors in this area .
I would much prefer a non-subsidized phone except the price is a little daunting all in one lump sum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can only hope this brings down the cost of these phones.
The prices are already greater than the cost of netbooks and bargain laptops/desktops.
I realize that miniaturization is a factor, but we really need more strong competitors in this area.
I would much prefer a non-subsidized phone except the price is a little daunting all in one lump sum.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30612944</id>
	<title>WOOT?</title>
	<author>PingPongBoy</author>
	<datestamp>1230803400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Great Goulessarian!</p><p>To WOOT or not to WOOT?</p><p>Vootie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great Goulessarian ! To WOOT or not to WOOT ? Vootie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great Goulessarian!To WOOT or not to WOOT?Vootie.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597336</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>iron-kurton</author>
	<datestamp>1259868720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The business answer to your question is: GSM is used by the rest of the world, CDMA only by America. CDMA = limiting your potential market.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The business answer to your question is : GSM is used by the rest of the world , CDMA only by America .
CDMA = limiting your potential market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The business answer to your question is: GSM is used by the rest of the world, CDMA only by America.
CDMA = limiting your potential market.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597250</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598226</id>
	<title>Re:No keyboard = do not want</title>
	<author>krelvin</author>
	<datestamp>1259872140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't need a physical keyboard.

Got to play with a live Moto Droid for a 4 days... the only time I used the slide out keyboard was when I first setup the phone (it made me use it).  After than, I never used it.  It added weight and complexity that were unnecessary.

Didn't buy the Droid for 2 reasons.  Physical keyboard and weight I didn't need, and no real voice command via BT for making calls.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't need a physical keyboard .
Got to play with a live Moto Droid for a 4 days... the only time I used the slide out keyboard was when I first setup the phone ( it made me use it ) .
After than , I never used it .
It added weight and complexity that were unnecessary .
Did n't buy the Droid for 2 reasons .
Physical keyboard and weight I did n't need , and no real voice command via BT for making calls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't need a physical keyboard.
Got to play with a live Moto Droid for a 4 days... the only time I used the slide out keyboard was when I first setup the phone (it made me use it).
After than, I never used it.
It added weight and complexity that were unnecessary.
Didn't buy the Droid for 2 reasons.
Physical keyboard and weight I didn't need, and no real voice command via BT for making calls.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597736</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598594</id>
	<title>Re:but will it</title>
	<author>mrlpz</author>
	<datestamp>1259873460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>blend.

Will it blend !?!

Sheesh.....you forgot to ask the REAL IMPORTANT question.</htmltext>
<tokenext>blend .
Will it blend ! ? !
Sheesh.....you forgot to ask the REAL IMPORTANT question .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>blend.
Will it blend !?!
Sheesh.....you forgot to ask the REAL IMPORTANT question.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597942</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30633580</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia N900</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1231014660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just wondering since Android runs on Linux and the N900 runs Linux, if there is any possibility of Android being ported to run on top of Maemo in essence giving you the openess and flexibility of Maemo and the ability to run Android apps as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just wondering since Android runs on Linux and the N900 runs Linux , if there is any possibility of Android being ported to run on top of Maemo in essence giving you the openess and flexibility of Maemo and the ability to run Android apps as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just wondering since Android runs on Linux and the N900 runs Linux, if there is any possibility of Android being ported to run on top of Maemo in essence giving you the openess and flexibility of Maemo and the ability to run Android apps as well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598408</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597636</id>
	<title>Re:prices?</title>
	<author>jabbathewocket</author>
	<datestamp>1259870040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are unlocked smartphones all over the place? this is not new..  but you cannot use virgin mobile or any of the other sprint wannabe phone companies in the states for it.. as they dont offer data..

You will basically have to goto tmobile, and buy a data only plan on flexpay (no contract prepaid, essentially you can pick any plan t-mobile offers and have it where you pay first, then use minutes versus the more standard postpay market in the states)

You can also buy any phone tmobile offers on this unsubsidized plan TODAY if you want (and if your  credit is good they will even finance the hardware for you)</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are unlocked smartphones all over the place ?
this is not new.. but you can not use virgin mobile or any of the other sprint wannabe phone companies in the states for it.. as they dont offer data. . You will basically have to goto tmobile , and buy a data only plan on flexpay ( no contract prepaid , essentially you can pick any plan t-mobile offers and have it where you pay first , then use minutes versus the more standard postpay market in the states ) You can also buy any phone tmobile offers on this unsubsidized plan TODAY if you want ( and if your credit is good they will even finance the hardware for you )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are unlocked smartphones all over the place?
this is not new..  but you cannot use virgin mobile or any of the other sprint wannabe phone companies in the states for it.. as they dont offer data..

You will basically have to goto tmobile, and buy a data only plan on flexpay (no contract prepaid, essentially you can pick any plan t-mobile offers and have it where you pay first, then use minutes versus the more standard postpay market in the states)

You can also buy any phone tmobile offers on this unsubsidized plan TODAY if you want (and if your  credit is good they will even finance the hardware for you)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597306</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597676</id>
	<title>Re:So</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259870160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dude, the actual cost of an iPhone to a retailer is over $900 (in Canada, so it may be less in the states). At $530 with the specs this phone has, Google is already heavily subsidizing the phone out of their own pockets, hence the five per account limit which is still generous. Stop your fucking whining - if you want the phone to last, treat it well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude , the actual cost of an iPhone to a retailer is over $ 900 ( in Canada , so it may be less in the states ) .
At $ 530 with the specs this phone has , Google is already heavily subsidizing the phone out of their own pockets , hence the five per account limit which is still generous .
Stop your fucking whining - if you want the phone to last , treat it well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude, the actual cost of an iPhone to a retailer is over $900 (in Canada, so it may be less in the states).
At $530 with the specs this phone has, Google is already heavily subsidizing the phone out of their own pockets, hence the five per account limit which is still generous.
Stop your fucking whining - if you want the phone to last, treat it well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597152</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597662</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>Bigjeff5</author>
	<datestamp>1259870100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CDMA is 2g, GSM is 3g, and there is 4g in the works (sprint has rolled out some in limited areas).</p><p>Everything new is GSM because GSM is the newer tech.  GSM can handle a lot more data than CDMA, which is why there are very few good smartphones that use CDMA.  Also, GSM is more popular now than CDMA, so unless you're going to manufacture two different phones, you make a GSM phone only.</p><p>It's just progress, CDMA2000 was an slight upgrade to technically bring it up to 3g specs, but the margin is so tight in reality it never gets close.  3g simply allows a better cell phone experience than CDMA.</p><p>You can't really blame manufacturers for moving on, smartphones aren't nearly as useful on a CDMA network.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CDMA is 2g , GSM is 3g , and there is 4g in the works ( sprint has rolled out some in limited areas ) .Everything new is GSM because GSM is the newer tech .
GSM can handle a lot more data than CDMA , which is why there are very few good smartphones that use CDMA .
Also , GSM is more popular now than CDMA , so unless you 're going to manufacture two different phones , you make a GSM phone only.It 's just progress , CDMA2000 was an slight upgrade to technically bring it up to 3g specs , but the margin is so tight in reality it never gets close .
3g simply allows a better cell phone experience than CDMA.You ca n't really blame manufacturers for moving on , smartphones are n't nearly as useful on a CDMA network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CDMA is 2g, GSM is 3g, and there is 4g in the works (sprint has rolled out some in limited areas).Everything new is GSM because GSM is the newer tech.
GSM can handle a lot more data than CDMA, which is why there are very few good smartphones that use CDMA.
Also, GSM is more popular now than CDMA, so unless you're going to manufacture two different phones, you make a GSM phone only.It's just progress, CDMA2000 was an slight upgrade to technically bring it up to 3g specs, but the margin is so tight in reality it never gets close.
3g simply allows a better cell phone experience than CDMA.You can't really blame manufacturers for moving on, smartphones aren't nearly as useful on a CDMA network.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597250</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30602122</id>
	<title>Re:Invite only?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259853540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The event is invite only, the phone isn't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The event is invite only , the phone is n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The event is invite only, the phone isn't.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597140</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597598</id>
	<title>They didn't think this through</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259869920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How to you get your Nexus invite without a Nexus?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How to you get your Nexus invite without a Nexus ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How to you get your Nexus invite without a Nexus?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597140</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30599494</id>
	<title>Re:prices?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259834460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Finally, an unlocked smartphone!</p></div><p>Huh what? Is there locked smartphones other than the iPhone?</p><p>I just walked to the stored and bought, an amazing smartphone called HTC Hero, which quite frankly kicks shit out of iPhone and makes it look so.. so..2007. And ah the lack of *useful* applications due Apple's restrictions.</p><p>399e, no contract. ktnxbye. Oh, right, and yes I live in EU...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally , an unlocked smartphone ! Huh what ?
Is there locked smartphones other than the iPhone ? I just walked to the stored and bought , an amazing smartphone called HTC Hero , which quite frankly kicks shit out of iPhone and makes it look so.. so..2007. And ah the lack of * useful * applications due Apple 's restrictions.399e , no contract .
ktnxbye. Oh , right , and yes I live in EU.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally, an unlocked smartphone!Huh what?
Is there locked smartphones other than the iPhone?I just walked to the stored and bought, an amazing smartphone called HTC Hero, which quite frankly kicks shit out of iPhone and makes it look so.. so..2007. And ah the lack of *useful* applications due Apple's restrictions.399e, no contract.
ktnxbye. Oh, right, and yes I live in EU...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597306</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597476</id>
	<title>Re:No thanks</title>
	<author>Bigjeff5</author>
	<datestamp>1259869260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Remember that you have to buy the more expensive smartphone data plans for this phone - usually $30 per month for just the data portion.</p><p>The subsidised plan is $80 a month when you take away the price of the phone, so the unsub plan would need to be less than $65 per month to make it cheaper.  That's a tough one to get where I live, but it is possible.  It's not "vastly cheaper" though.  To look at it another way, you need to save at least $15 on the monthly bill to do better with the unsubbed phone.  If you're saving $20-25 per month, then you're getting into the "vastly cheaper" area.  If you can get a deal like that, I'm extremely jealous regardless of the phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember that you have to buy the more expensive smartphone data plans for this phone - usually $ 30 per month for just the data portion.The subsidised plan is $ 80 a month when you take away the price of the phone , so the unsub plan would need to be less than $ 65 per month to make it cheaper .
That 's a tough one to get where I live , but it is possible .
It 's not " vastly cheaper " though .
To look at it another way , you need to save at least $ 15 on the monthly bill to do better with the unsubbed phone .
If you 're saving $ 20-25 per month , then you 're getting into the " vastly cheaper " area .
If you can get a deal like that , I 'm extremely jealous regardless of the phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember that you have to buy the more expensive smartphone data plans for this phone - usually $30 per month for just the data portion.The subsidised plan is $80 a month when you take away the price of the phone, so the unsub plan would need to be less than $65 per month to make it cheaper.
That's a tough one to get where I live, but it is possible.
It's not "vastly cheaper" though.
To look at it another way, you need to save at least $15 on the monthly bill to do better with the unsubbed phone.
If you're saving $20-25 per month, then you're getting into the "vastly cheaper" area.
If you can get a deal like that, I'm extremely jealous regardless of the phone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597162</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30600956</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1259843700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Btw. I would not rate the experience you get from the overloaded AT&amp;T GSM/UMTS in the united states to be the same experience all over the world. This stuff works really well if the carrier knows what he does, in europe a shitload of people have data plans, but things like you face in the US are not heard of here heck in some countries UMTS flatrates even have replaced car radio to some degree.<br>So shit is somewhere else but definitely not in the technology<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Btw .
I would not rate the experience you get from the overloaded AT&amp;T GSM/UMTS in the united states to be the same experience all over the world .
This stuff works really well if the carrier knows what he does , in europe a shitload of people have data plans , but things like you face in the US are not heard of here heck in some countries UMTS flatrates even have replaced car radio to some degree.So shit is somewhere else but definitely not in the technology ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Btw.
I would not rate the experience you get from the overloaded AT&amp;T GSM/UMTS in the united states to be the same experience all over the world.
This stuff works really well if the carrier knows what he does, in europe a shitload of people have data plans, but things like you face in the US are not heard of here heck in some countries UMTS flatrates even have replaced car radio to some degree.So shit is somewhere else but definitely not in the technology ;-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30600678</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597942</id>
	<title>but will it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259871180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...run Linux?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...run Linux ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...run Linux?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30599260</id>
	<title>T-mobile? Seriously?</title>
	<author>Eosha</author>
	<datestamp>1259833380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have they learned nothing from AT&amp;T's coverage woes? T-mobile doesn't have ANY data service in my area. Or my parents' home, 3 hrs. away. Or my grandmother's home. Or my work. And I'm in a town of 370,000.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have they learned nothing from AT&amp;T 's coverage woes ?
T-mobile does n't have ANY data service in my area .
Or my parents ' home , 3 hrs .
away. Or my grandmother 's home .
Or my work .
And I 'm in a town of 370,000 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have they learned nothing from AT&amp;T's coverage woes?
T-mobile doesn't have ANY data service in my area.
Or my parents' home, 3 hrs.
away. Or my grandmother's home.
Or my work.
And I'm in a town of 370,000.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30599850</id>
	<title>Re:A little more competition is a good thing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259836380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Just buy it with a credit card. And pay the debt off at $20/month or whatever is convenient.</p></div></blockquote><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and find that your phone actually cost you well over $600 by the time you've finished paying off the interest your credit card company charges. Sorry, but that's a terrible idea. If $530 is too much up front, do it the old fashioned way: Save for it, then buy.</p><p>Jesus, no wonder people are in so much debt.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just buy it with a credit card .
And pay the debt off at $ 20/month or whatever is convenient .
... and find that your phone actually cost you well over $ 600 by the time you 've finished paying off the interest your credit card company charges .
Sorry , but that 's a terrible idea .
If $ 530 is too much up front , do it the old fashioned way : Save for it , then buy.Jesus , no wonder people are in so much debt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just buy it with a credit card.
And pay the debt off at $20/month or whatever is convenient.
... and find that your phone actually cost you well over $600 by the time you've finished paying off the interest your credit card company charges.
Sorry, but that's a terrible idea.
If $530 is too much up front, do it the old fashioned way: Save for it, then buy.Jesus, no wonder people are in so much debt.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597946</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30601376</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259846880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmm - where is my IBM acronym lookup when I need it.</p><p>http://idle.slashdot.org/story/09/12/30/166220/USPTO-Awards-LOL-Patent-To-IBM?art\_pos=2</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm - where is my IBM acronym lookup when I need it.http : //idle.slashdot.org/story/09/12/30/166220/USPTO-Awards-LOL-Patent-To-IBM ? art \ _pos = 2</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm - where is my IBM acronym lookup when I need it.http://idle.slashdot.org/story/09/12/30/166220/USPTO-Awards-LOL-Patent-To-IBM?art\_pos=2</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598702</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30602194</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?  MOD PARENT DOWN</title>
	<author>DrDitto</author>
	<datestamp>1259854440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You don't know what you are talking about.  Variants of IS-95 CDMA (the original 2G CDMA) are widely used in China, Korea, and elsewhere.  In China, CDMA phones even have SIM cards. All 3G technologies (EV-DO, UMTS, HSPDA, etc.) use CDMA signaling technology because it is more spectrum efficient.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't know what you are talking about .
Variants of IS-95 CDMA ( the original 2G CDMA ) are widely used in China , Korea , and elsewhere .
In China , CDMA phones even have SIM cards .
All 3G technologies ( EV-DO , UMTS , HSPDA , etc .
) use CDMA signaling technology because it is more spectrum efficient .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't know what you are talking about.
Variants of IS-95 CDMA (the original 2G CDMA) are widely used in China, Korea, and elsewhere.
In China, CDMA phones even have SIM cards.
All 3G technologies (EV-DO, UMTS, HSPDA, etc.
) use CDMA signaling technology because it is more spectrum efficient.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597336</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598060</id>
	<title>Re:Subsidy lock?</title>
	<author>pesho</author>
	<datestamp>1259871600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>T-mo are actually very helpful when you need to unlock the phone. I have unlocked 2 phones with them in the past couple of years. One was an old set that got replaced after contract renewal. The other one is still under contract. I asked them for the unlock code so I can switch the SIM when traveling abroad and avoid the roaming charges. They were very prompt sending me e-mail with the code and detailed instructions how to unlock the phone. Their customer service is the major reason I am still with them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>T-mo are actually very helpful when you need to unlock the phone .
I have unlocked 2 phones with them in the past couple of years .
One was an old set that got replaced after contract renewal .
The other one is still under contract .
I asked them for the unlock code so I can switch the SIM when traveling abroad and avoid the roaming charges .
They were very prompt sending me e-mail with the code and detailed instructions how to unlock the phone .
Their customer service is the major reason I am still with them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>T-mo are actually very helpful when you need to unlock the phone.
I have unlocked 2 phones with them in the past couple of years.
One was an old set that got replaced after contract renewal.
The other one is still under contract.
I asked them for the unlock code so I can switch the SIM when traveling abroad and avoid the roaming charges.
They were very prompt sending me e-mail with the code and detailed instructions how to unlock the phone.
Their customer service is the major reason I am still with them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597198</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598468</id>
	<title>Re:No thanks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259872980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yup.  In fact, I have a Verizon sub'd Motorola Droid.  I also have Google Voice.  The outbound number that Google Voice uses to establish calls is on my "Friends and Family" (or whatever Verizon calls it) list, which means I use exactly zero billable minutes every month.  Inbound? Yeah, their VoIP.  No minutes incurred.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup .
In fact , I have a Verizon sub 'd Motorola Droid .
I also have Google Voice .
The outbound number that Google Voice uses to establish calls is on my " Friends and Family " ( or whatever Verizon calls it ) list , which means I use exactly zero billable minutes every month .
Inbound ? Yeah , their VoIP .
No minutes incurred .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup.
In fact, I have a Verizon sub'd Motorola Droid.
I also have Google Voice.
The outbound number that Google Voice uses to establish calls is on my "Friends and Family" (or whatever Verizon calls it) list, which means I use exactly zero billable minutes every month.
Inbound? Yeah, their VoIP.
No minutes incurred.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597162</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597730</id>
	<title>Re:So</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259870340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The contract handset won't last any longer than the no-obligation one, and might work out cheaper. I dunno about the US, but if I go to a UK phone company and don't ask for a handset I save a third on the monthly rate and leave at a month's notice, putting the equivalent of about $400 in my pocket.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The contract handset wo n't last any longer than the no-obligation one , and might work out cheaper .
I dunno about the US , but if I go to a UK phone company and do n't ask for a handset I save a third on the monthly rate and leave at a month 's notice , putting the equivalent of about $ 400 in my pocket .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The contract handset won't last any longer than the no-obligation one, and might work out cheaper.
I dunno about the US, but if I go to a UK phone company and don't ask for a handset I save a third on the monthly rate and leave at a month's notice, putting the equivalent of about $400 in my pocket.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597152</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30599250</id>
	<title>Go buy an N900</title>
	<author>BESTouff</author>
	<datestamp>1259833320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Finally, an unlocked smartphone! </p></div><p>Buy a Nokia N900. It's the same price, it's unlocked, and it's a true Linux computer. Hey, you can just apt-get install whatever you want on it !</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally , an unlocked smartphone !
Buy a Nokia N900 .
It 's the same price , it 's unlocked , and it 's a true Linux computer .
Hey , you can just apt-get install whatever you want on it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally, an unlocked smartphone!
Buy a Nokia N900.
It's the same price, it's unlocked, and it's a true Linux computer.
Hey, you can just apt-get install whatever you want on it !
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597306</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598646</id>
	<title>Cat got your tongue?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259873640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I saw some demos on youtube. What is the retarted point to make it looking exactly like iPhone?! Why???? No creativity!? No brains, just copy paste? Shame...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I saw some demos on youtube .
What is the retarted point to make it looking exactly like iPhone ? !
Why ? ? ? ? No creativity ! ?
No brains , just copy paste ?
Shame.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw some demos on youtube.
What is the retarted point to make it looking exactly like iPhone?!
Why???? No creativity!?
No brains, just copy paste?
Shame...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30599198</id>
	<title>Re:No thanks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259833080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As the other poster points out, T-Mobile is the only US carrier that currently offers this, and they've only just rolled this pricing scheme out in the past...3 months? 5 months? This past year, basically.</p><p>Everyone else will gladly charge you the full (service + subsidized phone) price when you bring your own phone. About the only thing you can do there is pick a phone, get someone to unlock it, and try to sell it as an unlocked phone on eBay or the like.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As the other poster points out , T-Mobile is the only US carrier that currently offers this , and they 've only just rolled this pricing scheme out in the past...3 months ?
5 months ?
This past year , basically.Everyone else will gladly charge you the full ( service + subsidized phone ) price when you bring your own phone .
About the only thing you can do there is pick a phone , get someone to unlock it , and try to sell it as an unlocked phone on eBay or the like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As the other poster points out, T-Mobile is the only US carrier that currently offers this, and they've only just rolled this pricing scheme out in the past...3 months?
5 months?
This past year, basically.Everyone else will gladly charge you the full (service + subsidized phone) price when you bring your own phone.
About the only thing you can do there is pick a phone, get someone to unlock it, and try to sell it as an unlocked phone on eBay or the like.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597398</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30600230</id>
	<title>Re:In what way is an Android phone more limiting?</title>
	<author>bfree</author>
	<datestamp>1259838900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would turn that around and ask why on earth you would buy anything with a dead-end OS, when you could buy a fully programmable Windows device that you can buy a lot more applications for.</p><p>Linux is nice to use but that's as far as it goes, overall it is not nearly as useful just based on application availability alone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would turn that around and ask why on earth you would buy anything with a dead-end OS , when you could buy a fully programmable Windows device that you can buy a lot more applications for.Linux is nice to use but that 's as far as it goes , overall it is not nearly as useful just based on application availability alone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would turn that around and ask why on earth you would buy anything with a dead-end OS, when you could buy a fully programmable Windows device that you can buy a lot more applications for.Linux is nice to use but that's as far as it goes, overall it is not nearly as useful just based on application availability alone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30599384</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598208</id>
	<title>Re:No keyboard = do not want</title>
	<author>b0bby</author>
	<datestamp>1259872080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Screw that, for $530 I demand a rotary dial!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Screw that , for $ 530 I demand a rotary dial !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Screw that, for $530 I demand a rotary dial!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597736</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598120</id>
	<title>Re:No keyboard = do not want</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1259871840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There was a time when solid state was a selling point.  Mechanical switches break.  Solid State may burn out, but will not crack from the cheap plastic used.  Every says how wonderful mechanical keyboards are, but those keyboards were expensive.  I certainly want a good keyboard, but would not be willing to pay $200 for it.
<p>
Everything is a trade off.  Design, build, and warranty against the defects in a keyboard, or use that money to build something innovate.  With bluetooth connection, there is nothing to break on the modern solid state phone.  The only thing I every see break on a modern smart phone is the slide keyboard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There was a time when solid state was a selling point .
Mechanical switches break .
Solid State may burn out , but will not crack from the cheap plastic used .
Every says how wonderful mechanical keyboards are , but those keyboards were expensive .
I certainly want a good keyboard , but would not be willing to pay $ 200 for it .
Everything is a trade off .
Design , build , and warranty against the defects in a keyboard , or use that money to build something innovate .
With bluetooth connection , there is nothing to break on the modern solid state phone .
The only thing I every see break on a modern smart phone is the slide keyboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was a time when solid state was a selling point.
Mechanical switches break.
Solid State may burn out, but will not crack from the cheap plastic used.
Every says how wonderful mechanical keyboards are, but those keyboards were expensive.
I certainly want a good keyboard, but would not be willing to pay $200 for it.
Everything is a trade off.
Design, build, and warranty against the defects in a keyboard, or use that money to build something innovate.
With bluetooth connection, there is nothing to break on the modern solid state phone.
The only thing I every see break on a modern smart phone is the slide keyboard.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597736</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30599106</id>
	<title>Phone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259832660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>How is as a ``phone``, who know to talk to other people with?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How is as a ` ` phone ` ` , who know to talk to other people with ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is as a ``phone``, who know to talk to other people with?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598346</id>
	<title>Re:Only if it has Google Voice</title>
	<author>mdm-adph</author>
	<datestamp>1259872560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or you could keep your 2-year verizon contract, but upgrade to a Droid Eris.  I believe there's a subsidy even for existing Verizon customers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or you could keep your 2-year verizon contract , but upgrade to a Droid Eris .
I believe there 's a subsidy even for existing Verizon customers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or you could keep your 2-year verizon contract, but upgrade to a Droid Eris.
I believe there's a subsidy even for existing Verizon customers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597958</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597874</id>
	<title>Re:This is just FUD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259870880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I fail to see the addition of the following elements:</p><p>Fear (no scare tactics, says the release is Jan 5)<br>Uncertainty (It is listing specific dates, no speak of the boogieman)<br>Doubt (again, very specific)</p><p>While it may be speculative, it certainly isn't FUD.  Keep using the term like that, and it will cease to mean anything at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I fail to see the addition of the following elements : Fear ( no scare tactics , says the release is Jan 5 ) Uncertainty ( It is listing specific dates , no speak of the boogieman ) Doubt ( again , very specific ) While it may be speculative , it certainly is n't FUD .
Keep using the term like that , and it will cease to mean anything at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I fail to see the addition of the following elements:Fear (no scare tactics, says the release is Jan 5)Uncertainty (It is listing specific dates, no speak of the boogieman)Doubt (again, very specific)While it may be speculative, it certainly isn't FUD.
Keep using the term like that, and it will cease to mean anything at all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597224</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598898</id>
	<title>Re:Only if it has Google Voice</title>
	<author>mrjohnson</author>
	<datestamp>1259831820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You could try fring + skype... But currently GV depends on a phone line.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You could try fring + skype... But currently GV depends on a phone line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could try fring + skype... But currently GV depends on a phone line.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598884</id>
	<title>Re:Invite only?</title>
	<author>babyrat</author>
	<datestamp>1259831760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Since when the hell is the ability to buy a phone "invite only"?</i></p><p>Sounds much better than the 'wait in line for hours outside the Apple store only to find out they are sold out' method.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when the hell is the ability to buy a phone " invite only " ? Sounds much better than the 'wait in line for hours outside the Apple store only to find out they are sold out ' method .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when the hell is the ability to buy a phone "invite only"?Sounds much better than the 'wait in line for hours outside the Apple store only to find out they are sold out' method.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597140</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597498</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259869440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It actually might be a 'world phone' with both GSM and CDMA capability. http://www.dancewithshadows.com/tech/google-nexus-one-phone-set-for-january-2010-launch/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It actually might be a 'world phone ' with both GSM and CDMA capability .
http : //www.dancewithshadows.com/tech/google-nexus-one-phone-set-for-january-2010-launch/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It actually might be a 'world phone' with both GSM and CDMA capability.
http://www.dancewithshadows.com/tech/google-nexus-one-phone-set-for-january-2010-launch/</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597250</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598970</id>
	<title>HTC Magic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259832120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not sure the Nexus will work with 3G on AT&amp;T since it requires 850 MHz UMTS. I found a Rogers HTC Magic unlocked for $462 shipped which supports AT&amp;T 3G. The specs are a bit less on the RAM and camera, but there's not a lot of Android choices for AT&amp;T if you want 3G data. I rooted and installed Amon Ra&rsquo;s Clean Donut (Magic, 32A). Google navigation is totally cool, Hero keyboard rocks!</p><p>* Nexus specs http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/23/exclusive-nexus-one-full-specs-detailed-invite-only-retail-sal<br>* Root how to http://theunlockr.com/2009/08/29/how-to-root-the-htc-magic-in-one-click<br>* ROMs how to http://theunlockr.com/2009/08/29/how-to-load-a-custom-rom-on-your-htc-magic<br>* ROMs http://theunlockr.com/downloads/android-downloads/android-roms</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not sure the Nexus will work with 3G on AT&amp;T since it requires 850 MHz UMTS .
I found a Rogers HTC Magic unlocked for $ 462 shipped which supports AT&amp;T 3G .
The specs are a bit less on the RAM and camera , but there 's not a lot of Android choices for AT&amp;T if you want 3G data .
I rooted and installed Amon Ra    s Clean Donut ( Magic , 32A ) .
Google navigation is totally cool , Hero keyboard rocks !
* Nexus specs http : //www.engadget.com/2009/12/23/exclusive-nexus-one-full-specs-detailed-invite-only-retail-sal * Root how to http : //theunlockr.com/2009/08/29/how-to-root-the-htc-magic-in-one-click * ROMs how to http : //theunlockr.com/2009/08/29/how-to-load-a-custom-rom-on-your-htc-magic * ROMs http : //theunlockr.com/downloads/android-downloads/android-roms</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not sure the Nexus will work with 3G on AT&amp;T since it requires 850 MHz UMTS.
I found a Rogers HTC Magic unlocked for $462 shipped which supports AT&amp;T 3G.
The specs are a bit less on the RAM and camera, but there's not a lot of Android choices for AT&amp;T if you want 3G data.
I rooted and installed Amon Ra’s Clean Donut (Magic, 32A).
Google navigation is totally cool, Hero keyboard rocks!
* Nexus specs http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/23/exclusive-nexus-one-full-specs-detailed-invite-only-retail-sal* Root how to http://theunlockr.com/2009/08/29/how-to-root-the-htc-magic-in-one-click* ROMs how to http://theunlockr.com/2009/08/29/how-to-load-a-custom-rom-on-your-htc-magic* ROMs http://theunlockr.com/downloads/android-downloads/android-roms</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597804</id>
	<title>Re:A little more competition is a good thing</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1259870640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There plenty of inexpensive unlocked 'smart phones' out there now, if you want to look across the ocean to china.  Sure, you have to be careful in what you choose, and you may not want to support the country ( clue: most phones are made there anyway... ) but they are available if you want..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There plenty of inexpensive unlocked 'smart phones ' out there now , if you want to look across the ocean to china .
Sure , you have to be careful in what you choose , and you may not want to support the country ( clue : most phones are made there anyway... ) but they are available if you want. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There plenty of inexpensive unlocked 'smart phones' out there now, if you want to look across the ocean to china.
Sure, you have to be careful in what you choose, and you may not want to support the country ( clue: most phones are made there anyway... ) but they are available if you want..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597158</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597728</id>
	<title>Very disappointing</title>
	<author>ekool</author>
	<datestamp>1259870340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are a lot of disappointed people over @ nexusoneforum.net with regards to the pricing. It sounds to me like Google lost alot of good will with such a high unsubsidized price.<br>
&nbsp; <br>Discussion here: <a href="http://www.nexusoneforum.net/forum/nexus-one-google-phone-news/100-price-point-leak-530-unsubsodized-180-t-mobile.html" title="nexusoneforum.net" rel="nofollow">Nexus One Pricing Discussion</a> [nexusoneforum.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a lot of disappointed people over @ nexusoneforum.net with regards to the pricing .
It sounds to me like Google lost alot of good will with such a high unsubsidized price .
  Discussion here : Nexus One Pricing Discussion [ nexusoneforum.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a lot of disappointed people over @ nexusoneforum.net with regards to the pricing.
It sounds to me like Google lost alot of good will with such a high unsubsidized price.
  Discussion here: Nexus One Pricing Discussion [nexusoneforum.net]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30601576</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>dbcad7</author>
	<datestamp>1259848440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>History.. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gsm" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gsm</a> [wikipedia.org]  (read history section).. then read.. <a href="http://globalccf.org/cdma\_resources/history.html" title="globalccf.org">http://globalccf.org/cdma\_resources/history.html</a> [globalccf.org]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. forgetting proposals and studies in both (GSM was waaay earlier).. lets just focus on implementation.. GSM was implemented as a working standard 1991 and CDMA in 1992<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... your anti-American thing is just wrong.. where do you get it ?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. I also don't think GSM is junk, I think it is kind of cool to have the sim swapping capability.. As AT&amp;T has shown you on their commercials, you can also use the GSM and 3G network simultaneously, which is apparently not possible with the CDMA carriers.. I really could care less for that feature, but it kind of takes some of the "superiority" out of CDMA. I use GSM (not AT&amp;T), and I have used all the CDMA carriers.. for call quality I have no horror stories that are not phone model based, that would lead me to believe either was superior.. For me it was the sim capability, and travel uses that influenced my choices in favor of GSM.</htmltext>
<tokenext>History.. http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gsm [ wikipedia.org ] ( read history section ) .. then read.. http : //globalccf.org/cdma \ _resources/history.html [ globalccf.org ] .. forgetting proposals and studies in both ( GSM was waaay earlier ) .. lets just focus on implementation.. GSM was implemented as a working standard 1991 and CDMA in 1992 ... your anti-American thing is just wrong.. where do you get it ?
.. I also do n't think GSM is junk , I think it is kind of cool to have the sim swapping capability.. As AT&amp;T has shown you on their commercials , you can also use the GSM and 3G network simultaneously , which is apparently not possible with the CDMA carriers.. I really could care less for that feature , but it kind of takes some of the " superiority " out of CDMA .
I use GSM ( not AT&amp;T ) , and I have used all the CDMA carriers.. for call quality I have no horror stories that are not phone model based , that would lead me to believe either was superior.. For me it was the sim capability , and travel uses that influenced my choices in favor of GSM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>History.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gsm [wikipedia.org]  (read history section).. then read.. http://globalccf.org/cdma\_resources/history.html [globalccf.org] .. forgetting proposals and studies in both (GSM was waaay earlier).. lets just focus on implementation.. GSM was implemented as a working standard 1991 and CDMA in 1992 ... your anti-American thing is just wrong.. where do you get it ?
.. I also don't think GSM is junk, I think it is kind of cool to have the sim swapping capability.. As AT&amp;T has shown you on their commercials, you can also use the GSM and 3G network simultaneously, which is apparently not possible with the CDMA carriers.. I really could care less for that feature, but it kind of takes some of the "superiority" out of CDMA.
I use GSM (not AT&amp;T), and I have used all the CDMA carriers.. for call quality I have no horror stories that are not phone model based, that would lead me to believe either was superior.. For me it was the sim capability, and travel uses that influenced my choices in favor of GSM.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598688</id>
	<title>Re:Invite only?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259830800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OMG, you're on forkbook?<br>Woot!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OMG , you 're on forkbook ? Woot !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OMG, you're on forkbook?Woot!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597466</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597958</id>
	<title>Only if it has Google Voice</title>
	<author>nikMIT21</author>
	<datestamp>1259871240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If Google gives a downloadable Google Voice app, I think a lot of people like me are going to rush to buy this phone.  $530 + $50/month for 5GB worth of voice, sms, and web browsing is $1730 over two years.  An iPhone is something like $200 + $120/month = $2400 for the same thing.</p><p>If they don't have the app, I'll continue my silent protest and stick with my crappy free phone and 2-year verizon contract.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If Google gives a downloadable Google Voice app , I think a lot of people like me are going to rush to buy this phone .
$ 530 + $ 50/month for 5GB worth of voice , sms , and web browsing is $ 1730 over two years .
An iPhone is something like $ 200 + $ 120/month = $ 2400 for the same thing.If they do n't have the app , I 'll continue my silent protest and stick with my crappy free phone and 2-year verizon contract .
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Google gives a downloadable Google Voice app, I think a lot of people like me are going to rush to buy this phone.
$530 + $50/month for 5GB worth of voice, sms, and web browsing is $1730 over two years.
An iPhone is something like $200 + $120/month = $2400 for the same thing.If they don't have the app, I'll continue my silent protest and stick with my crappy free phone and 2-year verizon contract.
:(</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30602256</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>DrDitto</author>
	<datestamp>1259854920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>GSM has a maximum cell size of 45km or size.  CDMA cell sizes can grow much larger.  A big deal when trying to cover the sparsely populated, vast geographic regions of the U.S.  (especially when the number of cellular subscribers in the early 90s was a small fraction of what it is today).
<br> <br>
There are good reasons why some U.S. carriers bypassed GSM and went with CDMA IS-95. <br> <br>
And lets not forgot that 3G GSM (UMTS) uses CDMA signaling because it is superior and is more spectrum efficient.  The 2G CDMA folks were just ahead of the game.</htmltext>
<tokenext>GSM has a maximum cell size of 45km or size .
CDMA cell sizes can grow much larger .
A big deal when trying to cover the sparsely populated , vast geographic regions of the U.S. ( especially when the number of cellular subscribers in the early 90s was a small fraction of what it is today ) .
There are good reasons why some U.S. carriers bypassed GSM and went with CDMA IS-95 .
And lets not forgot that 3G GSM ( UMTS ) uses CDMA signaling because it is superior and is more spectrum efficient .
The 2G CDMA folks were just ahead of the game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GSM has a maximum cell size of 45km or size.
CDMA cell sizes can grow much larger.
A big deal when trying to cover the sparsely populated, vast geographic regions of the U.S.  (especially when the number of cellular subscribers in the early 90s was a small fraction of what it is today).
There are good reasons why some U.S. carriers bypassed GSM and went with CDMA IS-95.
And lets not forgot that 3G GSM (UMTS) uses CDMA signaling because it is superior and is more spectrum efficient.
The 2G CDMA folks were just ahead of the game.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30599478</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597586</id>
	<title>Re:Invite only?</title>
	<author>FreshlyShornBalls</author>
	<datestamp>1259869800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Seriously?  Since when the hell is the ability to buy a phone "invite only"?  I swear the social aspect of phone ownership is getting ridiculous.</p></div><p>That's not how I read the post. The *launch / announcement party* is invite only. That doesn't mean purchasing the phone is invite only.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously ?
Since when the hell is the ability to buy a phone " invite only " ?
I swear the social aspect of phone ownership is getting ridiculous.That 's not how I read the post .
The * launch / announcement party * is invite only .
That does n't mean purchasing the phone is invite only .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously?
Since when the hell is the ability to buy a phone "invite only"?
I swear the social aspect of phone ownership is getting ridiculous.That's not how I read the post.
The *launch / announcement party* is invite only.
That doesn't mean purchasing the phone is invite only.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30603102</id>
	<title>Re:T-mobile? Seriously?</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1259864880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Have they learned nothing from AT&amp;T's coverage woes? T-mobile doesn't have ANY data service in my area.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Try thinking globally.<br> <br>

Google is an international company. HTC is based in Taiwan. Google and HTC intend on selling the Nexus globally (HTC will be releasing the same hardware under a different name later this year with their own "Sense" UI installed, Nexus is the "Google Experience" version). The most popular GSM frequency in the world is 2100 Mhz, you can go to almost any nation with a 3G network and get a 2100 Mhz signal so HTC (who designed the HW) decided on using 2100 Mhz transmitters (900 Mhz as well, but I'm not sure on this one). The US is nearly alone in using CDMA.<br> <br>

Now in the US this means only one carrier is available due to the balkanisation and lack of effective regulation in the US mobile service provision market. The US is a small market which is tyrannically controlled, HTC and Google are thinking about all the other markets, Europe and Asia are bigger markets then the US as well as smaller markets like Australia and the rest of the Americas.<br> <br>

I could buy the Nexus outright and use it on any carrier in Australia, at US$530 it's a bargain compared to most Android phones which are about A$700+ to buy when they are released.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have they learned nothing from AT&amp;T 's coverage woes ?
T-mobile does n't have ANY data service in my area .
Try thinking globally .
Google is an international company .
HTC is based in Taiwan .
Google and HTC intend on selling the Nexus globally ( HTC will be releasing the same hardware under a different name later this year with their own " Sense " UI installed , Nexus is the " Google Experience " version ) .
The most popular GSM frequency in the world is 2100 Mhz , you can go to almost any nation with a 3G network and get a 2100 Mhz signal so HTC ( who designed the HW ) decided on using 2100 Mhz transmitters ( 900 Mhz as well , but I 'm not sure on this one ) .
The US is nearly alone in using CDMA .
Now in the US this means only one carrier is available due to the balkanisation and lack of effective regulation in the US mobile service provision market .
The US is a small market which is tyrannically controlled , HTC and Google are thinking about all the other markets , Europe and Asia are bigger markets then the US as well as smaller markets like Australia and the rest of the Americas .
I could buy the Nexus outright and use it on any carrier in Australia , at US $ 530 it 's a bargain compared to most Android phones which are about A $ 700 + to buy when they are released .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have they learned nothing from AT&amp;T's coverage woes?
T-mobile doesn't have ANY data service in my area.
Try thinking globally.
Google is an international company.
HTC is based in Taiwan.
Google and HTC intend on selling the Nexus globally (HTC will be releasing the same hardware under a different name later this year with their own "Sense" UI installed, Nexus is the "Google Experience" version).
The most popular GSM frequency in the world is 2100 Mhz, you can go to almost any nation with a 3G network and get a 2100 Mhz signal so HTC (who designed the HW) decided on using 2100 Mhz transmitters (900 Mhz as well, but I'm not sure on this one).
The US is nearly alone in using CDMA.
Now in the US this means only one carrier is available due to the balkanisation and lack of effective regulation in the US mobile service provision market.
The US is a small market which is tyrannically controlled, HTC and Google are thinking about all the other markets, Europe and Asia are bigger markets then the US as well as smaller markets like Australia and the rest of the Americas.
I could buy the Nexus outright and use it on any carrier in Australia, at US$530 it's a bargain compared to most Android phones which are about A$700+ to buy when they are released.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30600216</id>
	<title>Work on any GSM?  Not with 3G.</title>
	<author>drseamus</author>
	<datestamp>1259838840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It won't work with AT&amp;T 3G because it lacks the proper antenna.  That leaves edge only on AT&amp;T or even worse, T mobile.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It wo n't work with AT&amp;T 3G because it lacks the proper antenna .
That leaves edge only on AT&amp;T or even worse , T mobile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It won't work with AT&amp;T 3G because it lacks the proper antenna.
That leaves edge only on AT&amp;T or even worse, T mobile.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597766</id>
	<title>Re:No thanks</title>
	<author>Sockatume</author>
	<datestamp>1259870520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're going to be paying for a service plan on the unsubsidised handset, though. You'll make a saving depending on how much you actually need, but the total cost of ownership of the unsubsidised handset over the same two year period is probably closer to $1500.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're going to be paying for a service plan on the unsubsidised handset , though .
You 'll make a saving depending on how much you actually need , but the total cost of ownership of the unsubsidised handset over the same two year period is probably closer to $ 1500 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're going to be paying for a service plan on the unsubsidised handset, though.
You'll make a saving depending on how much you actually need, but the total cost of ownership of the unsubsidised handset over the same two year period is probably closer to $1500.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597162</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597398</id>
	<title>Re:No thanks</title>
	<author>spuke4000</author>
	<datestamp>1259868960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A little bit OT, but in the states if you buy an unlocked phone can you get a plan that does not include a subsidy for another phone?  That is, if I buy an iPhone I'm going to pay $90/month or so, but some of that includes the price of the phone.  If I have my own iPhone, or after my initial two year contract (after I've paid off the phone) is it possible to get a cheaper plan?  My understanding is no, but please correct me if I'm wrong.

So, if I buy a nexus one unlocked can I get a cheaper plan than if I bought the $180 one?</htmltext>
<tokenext>A little bit OT , but in the states if you buy an unlocked phone can you get a plan that does not include a subsidy for another phone ?
That is , if I buy an iPhone I 'm going to pay $ 90/month or so , but some of that includes the price of the phone .
If I have my own iPhone , or after my initial two year contract ( after I 've paid off the phone ) is it possible to get a cheaper plan ?
My understanding is no , but please correct me if I 'm wrong .
So , if I buy a nexus one unlocked can I get a cheaper plan than if I bought the $ 180 one ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A little bit OT, but in the states if you buy an unlocked phone can you get a plan that does not include a subsidy for another phone?
That is, if I buy an iPhone I'm going to pay $90/month or so, but some of that includes the price of the phone.
If I have my own iPhone, or after my initial two year contract (after I've paid off the phone) is it possible to get a cheaper plan?
My understanding is no, but please correct me if I'm wrong.
So, if I buy a nexus one unlocked can I get a cheaper plan than if I bought the $180 one?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597162</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598556</id>
	<title>Re:So</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1259873340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's about standard for an unlocked new phone. What were you expecting?</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's about standard for an unlocked new phone .
What were you expecting ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's about standard for an unlocked new phone.
What were you expecting?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597152</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597924</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259871060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CDMA - eww!<br>Same phone internals? Where's the snapdragon?<br>Early 2009 huh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CDMA - eww ! Same phone internals ?
Where 's the snapdragon ? Early 2009 huh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CDMA - eww!Same phone internals?
Where's the snapdragon?Early 2009 huh?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597442</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598284</id>
	<title>Re:Invite only?</title>
	<author>rawr\_one</author>
	<datestamp>1259872320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do you not remember how scarce Gmail invites were back when it launched?  You picked a poor example.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you not remember how scarce Gmail invites were back when it launched ?
You picked a poor example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you not remember how scarce Gmail invites were back when it launched?
You picked a poor example.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597260</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30599384</id>
	<title>In what way is an Android phone more limiting?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259833920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>You can buy an N900 for $569.00. As long as you are going to drop that kind of change, why would you limit yourself to an Android fone?</i></p><p>I would turn that around and ask why on earth you would buy anything with a dead-end OS, when you could buy a fully programmable Android device that you can buy a lot more applications for.</p><p>The Nokia is nice to use but that's as far as it goes, overall it is not nearly as useful just based on application availability alone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can buy an N900 for $ 569.00 .
As long as you are going to drop that kind of change , why would you limit yourself to an Android fone ? I would turn that around and ask why on earth you would buy anything with a dead-end OS , when you could buy a fully programmable Android device that you can buy a lot more applications for.The Nokia is nice to use but that 's as far as it goes , overall it is not nearly as useful just based on application availability alone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can buy an N900 for $569.00.
As long as you are going to drop that kind of change, why would you limit yourself to an Android fone?I would turn that around and ask why on earth you would buy anything with a dead-end OS, when you could buy a fully programmable Android device that you can buy a lot more applications for.The Nokia is nice to use but that's as far as it goes, overall it is not nearly as useful just based on application availability alone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598408</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30600792</id>
	<title>Re:A little more competition is a good thing</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1259842620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most of the phones themselves are actually priced about right. They're not exactly cheap to produce. Take a standard desktop computer from 6-7 years ago, shrink it down to the size of a candy bar, add a few gizmos here and there (bluetooth, GPS, touchscreen display), ensure it can run for a full day without a recharge, get it certified by multiple agencies around the world, and then, finally, spend millions developing software for it.</p><p>Honestly, I'm surprised there are <i>any</i> under $500. What we really need now is some kind of wireless broadband Internet access that is <i>not</i> owned by an existing cellco. It should be affordable (in line with DSL and cable prices), not require a plan, contract, or special device, and there should be no caps or penalties for using the device. Cell phone companies would be obsolete because the smart phones that they already sell are more than capable of VoIP and you could choose from any VoIP carrier on the planet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the phones themselves are actually priced about right .
They 're not exactly cheap to produce .
Take a standard desktop computer from 6-7 years ago , shrink it down to the size of a candy bar , add a few gizmos here and there ( bluetooth , GPS , touchscreen display ) , ensure it can run for a full day without a recharge , get it certified by multiple agencies around the world , and then , finally , spend millions developing software for it.Honestly , I 'm surprised there are any under $ 500 .
What we really need now is some kind of wireless broadband Internet access that is not owned by an existing cellco .
It should be affordable ( in line with DSL and cable prices ) , not require a plan , contract , or special device , and there should be no caps or penalties for using the device .
Cell phone companies would be obsolete because the smart phones that they already sell are more than capable of VoIP and you could choose from any VoIP carrier on the planet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of the phones themselves are actually priced about right.
They're not exactly cheap to produce.
Take a standard desktop computer from 6-7 years ago, shrink it down to the size of a candy bar, add a few gizmos here and there (bluetooth, GPS, touchscreen display), ensure it can run for a full day without a recharge, get it certified by multiple agencies around the world, and then, finally, spend millions developing software for it.Honestly, I'm surprised there are any under $500.
What we really need now is some kind of wireless broadband Internet access that is not owned by an existing cellco.
It should be affordable (in line with DSL and cable prices), not require a plan, contract, or special device, and there should be no caps or penalties for using the device.
Cell phone companies would be obsolete because the smart phones that they already sell are more than capable of VoIP and you could choose from any VoIP carrier on the planet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597158</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597892</id>
	<title>GSM + Google</title>
	<author>ground.zero.612</author>
	<datestamp>1259870940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sweet! A decrypted protocol with an OS by a company that doesn't care about your privacy... Where do I sign up???</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sweet !
A decrypted protocol with an OS by a company that does n't care about your privacy... Where do I sign up ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sweet!
A decrypted protocol with an OS by a company that doesn't care about your privacy... Where do I sign up??
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598396</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>Daniel\_E</author>
	<datestamp>1259872740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure, but I think you managed to get every single "fact" wrong.</p><p>2G:<br>D-AMPS = US<br>GSM = rest of the world</p><p>3G:<br>CDMA2000 = US<br>WCDMA = rest of the world</p><p>4G:<br>LTE = everywhere</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure , but I think you managed to get every single " fact " wrong.2G : D-AMPS = USGSM = rest of the world3G : CDMA2000 = USWCDMA = rest of the world4G : LTE = everywhere</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure, but I think you managed to get every single "fact" wrong.2G:D-AMPS = USGSM = rest of the world3G:CDMA2000 = USWCDMA = rest of the world4G:LTE = everywhere</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597662</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30601190</id>
	<title>Re:No keyboard = do not want</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1259845380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will a touch screen dial do? Possible on the Nokia 5800: <a href="http://nokia5800.net/nokia-app-rotary-dialer-touch/" title="nokia5800.net">http://nokia5800.net/nokia-app-rotary-dialer-touch/</a> [nokia5800.net]</p><p>And you can always warble a digital sound that sounds identical to a ring (which is what my Nokia 5800 does)...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will a touch screen dial do ?
Possible on the Nokia 5800 : http : //nokia5800.net/nokia-app-rotary-dialer-touch/ [ nokia5800.net ] And you can always warble a digital sound that sounds identical to a ring ( which is what my Nokia 5800 does ) .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will a touch screen dial do?
Possible on the Nokia 5800: http://nokia5800.net/nokia-app-rotary-dialer-touch/ [nokia5800.net]And you can always warble a digital sound that sounds identical to a ring (which is what my Nokia 5800 does)...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598072</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597736</id>
	<title>No keyboard = do not want</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259870340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For $530, I expect, nay, demand, to have actual physical buttons to dial with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For $ 530 , I expect , nay , demand , to have actual physical buttons to dial with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For $530, I expect, nay, demand, to have actual physical buttons to dial with.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597482</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259869320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CDMA is being switched off in many of the very few countries that use it. CDMA is definitely a minority.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CDMA is being switched off in many of the very few countries that use it .
CDMA is definitely a minority .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CDMA is being switched off in many of the very few countries that use it.
CDMA is definitely a minority.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597250</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30599478</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1259834400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CDMA mostly started as a US thing, while the rest of the world settled for GSM and then EDGE HDSPA and UTMS for their connectivity.<br>CDMA mostly is a failed attempt to try to get into a (by back then) future market or at least to seal off the US market to other phone companies.<br>There are not too many countries outside of the US where CDMA is even present!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CDMA mostly started as a US thing , while the rest of the world settled for GSM and then EDGE HDSPA and UTMS for their connectivity.CDMA mostly is a failed attempt to try to get into a ( by back then ) future market or at least to seal off the US market to other phone companies.There are not too many countries outside of the US where CDMA is even present !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CDMA mostly started as a US thing, while the rest of the world settled for GSM and then EDGE HDSPA and UTMS for their connectivity.CDMA mostly is a failed attempt to try to get into a (by back then) future market or at least to seal off the US market to other phone companies.There are not too many countries outside of the US where CDMA is even present!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597662</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598380</id>
	<title>gimme an invite</title>
	<author>sneakyimp</author>
	<datestamp>1259872680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Give me an invite.  I'll buy this the day it comes out.  I've currently got a motorola v188 that came with my t-mobile account.  i've had it for 5 years and is suffering from some kind of corrupt code.  I need a new phone and $530 for an unlocked  3G/GSM phone with android 2.1, wifi, compass, 5MP camera, accelerometer, snapdragon processor, etc. is quite reasonable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Give me an invite .
I 'll buy this the day it comes out .
I 've currently got a motorola v188 that came with my t-mobile account .
i 've had it for 5 years and is suffering from some kind of corrupt code .
I need a new phone and $ 530 for an unlocked 3G/GSM phone with android 2.1 , wifi , compass , 5MP camera , accelerometer , snapdragon processor , etc .
is quite reasonable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Give me an invite.
I'll buy this the day it comes out.
I've currently got a motorola v188 that came with my t-mobile account.
i've had it for 5 years and is suffering from some kind of corrupt code.
I need a new phone and $530 for an unlocked  3G/GSM phone with android 2.1, wifi, compass, 5MP camera, accelerometer, snapdragon processor, etc.
is quite reasonable.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30601592</id>
	<title>Does it come with Google Voice?</title>
	<author>Herger</author>
	<datestamp>1259848620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this will change the market if it integrates with Google Voice and allows VoIP calls.  The unlocked Google phone plus data plan would be totally worth it if I could use it on Wi-Fi at home or my office and only use data on the road.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this will change the market if it integrates with Google Voice and allows VoIP calls .
The unlocked Google phone plus data plan would be totally worth it if I could use it on Wi-Fi at home or my office and only use data on the road .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this will change the market if it integrates with Google Voice and allows VoIP calls.
The unlocked Google phone plus data plan would be totally worth it if I could use it on Wi-Fi at home or my office and only use data on the road.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598722</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259830980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is like the old BETA vs VHS discussions. I personnally don't care either way as I have not found enough use of a smart phone to pay the stupid rates cell phone companies want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is like the old BETA vs VHS discussions .
I personnally do n't care either way as I have not found enough use of a smart phone to pay the stupid rates cell phone companies want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is like the old BETA vs VHS discussions.
I personnally don't care either way as I have not found enough use of a smart phone to pay the stupid rates cell phone companies want.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597392</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598918</id>
	<title>Re:Invite only?</title>
	<author>thePsychologist</author>
	<datestamp>1259831880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The \_buying\_ of the phone is not invite only. That's just the special event to unveil it. It's in the article.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The \ _buying \ _ of the phone is not invite only .
That 's just the special event to unveil it .
It 's in the article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The \_buying\_ of the phone is not invite only.
That's just the special event to unveil it.
It's in the article.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597140</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597956</id>
	<title>Re:No thanks</title>
	<author>ifwm</author>
	<datestamp>1259871240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Remember that you have to buy the more expensive smartphone data plans for this phone - usually $30 per month for just the data portion."

No, you don't, actually.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Remember that you have to buy the more expensive smartphone data plans for this phone - usually $ 30 per month for just the data portion .
" No , you do n't , actually .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Remember that you have to buy the more expensive smartphone data plans for this phone - usually $30 per month for just the data portion.
"

No, you don't, actually.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597476</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30599682</id>
	<title>Re:whining about prices</title>
	<author>sacrilicious</author>
	<datestamp>1259835540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>just wait a couple of months<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Your old phone won't stop working in the interim</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
WAY too general a statement when we're talking about cellphones.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>just wait a couple of months ... Your old phone wo n't stop working in the interim WAY too general a statement when we 're talking about cellphones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>just wait a couple of months ... Your old phone won't stop working in the interim

WAY too general a statement when we're talking about cellphones.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597242</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597260</id>
	<title>Re:Invite only?</title>
	<author>alecto</author>
	<datestamp>1259868480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just a marketing gimmick to make people feel elite. Invites will be about as scarce as Gmail invites.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just a marketing gimmick to make people feel elite .
Invites will be about as scarce as Gmail invites .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just a marketing gimmick to make people feel elite.
Invites will be about as scarce as Gmail invites.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597140</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597560</id>
	<title>Re:Invite only?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259869680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cell phones were a status symbol. In the 1990s.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cell phones were a status symbol .
In the 1990s .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cell phones were a status symbol.
In the 1990s.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597140</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597652</id>
	<title>Gizmo5 integration on Jan 5th too?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259870100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was hoping the voip service of gizmo5 would be integrated in to google voice in time for the nexus one so they could sell it with a data plan only option.  Also, the $350 ETF makes sense, it just converts the upfront $180 price to unlocked $530 price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was hoping the voip service of gizmo5 would be integrated in to google voice in time for the nexus one so they could sell it with a data plan only option .
Also , the $ 350 ETF makes sense , it just converts the upfront $ 180 price to unlocked $ 530 price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was hoping the voip service of gizmo5 would be integrated in to google voice in time for the nexus one so they could sell it with a data plan only option.
Also, the $350 ETF makes sense, it just converts the upfront $180 price to unlocked $530 price.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597946</id>
	<title>Re:A little more competition is a good thing</title>
	<author>Seor Jojoba</author>
	<datestamp>1259871180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just buy it with a credit card.  And pay the debt off at $20/month or whatever is convenient.  You'll be better off in the long run, because we'll get the carriers to start competing as big dumb pipes.  The emphasis will be on coverage/speed for the buck, instead of some wacky chase after the latest "It" phone.  We should all stop being scared off by upfront costs and letting phone carriers handle our financing through subsidies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just buy it with a credit card .
And pay the debt off at $ 20/month or whatever is convenient .
You 'll be better off in the long run , because we 'll get the carriers to start competing as big dumb pipes .
The emphasis will be on coverage/speed for the buck , instead of some wacky chase after the latest " It " phone .
We should all stop being scared off by upfront costs and letting phone carriers handle our financing through subsidies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just buy it with a credit card.
And pay the debt off at $20/month or whatever is convenient.
You'll be better off in the long run, because we'll get the carriers to start competing as big dumb pipes.
The emphasis will be on coverage/speed for the buck, instead of some wacky chase after the latest "It" phone.
We should all stop being scared off by upfront costs and letting phone carriers handle our financing through subsidies.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597158</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597306</id>
	<title>prices?</title>
	<author>Lord Ender</author>
	<datestamp>1259868660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Finally, an unlocked smartphone! But what is the cheapest voice+data plan you could use it with? Will it be possible to use it with a pre-pay carrier, like Virgin Mobile?</p><p>I don't talk much, and I'm rarely far from a real computer, but I would love to have the <i>ability</i> to get on the web from a smartphone available to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally , an unlocked smartphone !
But what is the cheapest voice + data plan you could use it with ?
Will it be possible to use it with a pre-pay carrier , like Virgin Mobile ? I do n't talk much , and I 'm rarely far from a real computer , but I would love to have the ability to get on the web from a smartphone available to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally, an unlocked smartphone!
But what is the cheapest voice+data plan you could use it with?
Will it be possible to use it with a pre-pay carrier, like Virgin Mobile?I don't talk much, and I'm rarely far from a real computer, but I would love to have the ability to get on the web from a smartphone available to me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598778</id>
	<title>Financing</title>
	<author>BlueBoxSW.com</author>
	<datestamp>1259831100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The old way of doing things where they give you the phone at a discounted price and lock you into a contract is stupid.</p><p>Essentially they were financing the phone without telling you the interest rate.</p><p>This way, you could buy it and finance it however you want.</p><p>Pay outright, put it on a credit card, use equity from your home. Borrow money from your dog.</p><p>Whatever.</p><p>It's a much better way of doing things, and I appreciate Google pushing the point, even if the sticker price is shocking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The old way of doing things where they give you the phone at a discounted price and lock you into a contract is stupid.Essentially they were financing the phone without telling you the interest rate.This way , you could buy it and finance it however you want.Pay outright , put it on a credit card , use equity from your home .
Borrow money from your dog.Whatever.It 's a much better way of doing things , and I appreciate Google pushing the point , even if the sticker price is shocking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The old way of doing things where they give you the phone at a discounted price and lock you into a contract is stupid.Essentially they were financing the phone without telling you the interest rate.This way, you could buy it and finance it however you want.Pay outright, put it on a credit card, use equity from your home.
Borrow money from your dog.Whatever.It's a much better way of doing things, and I appreciate Google pushing the point, even if the sticker price is shocking.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30602756</id>
	<title>Re:Invite only?</title>
	<author>JYD</author>
	<datestamp>1259860080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just to point out, all initial Google products are marked Beta and are almost guaranteed to be invite only, examples being Gmail, Wave, Voice, etc.  However, I doubt Google would mark their phone "Nexus One Beta", even though the "Beta" moniker reflects the phone perfectly.  Of course, with this Google Beta product, I don't think you can get your friend to send you an invite.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just to point out , all initial Google products are marked Beta and are almost guaranteed to be invite only , examples being Gmail , Wave , Voice , etc .
However , I doubt Google would mark their phone " Nexus One Beta " , even though the " Beta " moniker reflects the phone perfectly .
Of course , with this Google Beta product , I do n't think you can get your friend to send you an invite .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just to point out, all initial Google products are marked Beta and are almost guaranteed to be invite only, examples being Gmail, Wave, Voice, etc.
However, I doubt Google would mark their phone "Nexus One Beta", even though the "Beta" moniker reflects the phone perfectly.
Of course, with this Google Beta product, I don't think you can get your friend to send you an invite.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597140</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597922</id>
	<title>Re:prices?</title>
	<author>Sockatume</author>
	<datestamp>1259871060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No reason why it shouldn't work on pre-pay. A SIM is a SIM is a SIM as far as the handset's concerned.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No reason why it should n't work on pre-pay .
A SIM is a SIM is a SIM as far as the handset 's concerned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No reason why it shouldn't work on pre-pay.
A SIM is a SIM is a SIM as far as the handset's concerned.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597306</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30599762</id>
	<title>Re:Subsidy lock?</title>
	<author>Miamicanes</author>
	<datestamp>1259835900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; In fact, only CDMA phones have significant competition that could inspire a user to take<br>&gt; a phone to another carrier, and I wonder how incompatible Sprint's 3G network is with Verizon's.</p><p>In purely technical terms, pretty much any phone available from both Sprint and Verizon that doesn't go out of its way to prevent you from reflashing it with the other carrier's firmware works fine. In reality, it's a one-way trip from Sprint to Verizon (or maybe one of the few remaining regional CDMA carriers), because Sprint won't activate any phone whose ESN isn't in their official database. Hell, even when they OWNED Telus (Canada), you couldn't activate a Telus phone on Sprint or vice-versa, even though roaming between them was absolutely seamless, and the two networks used pretty much identical hardware &amp; software.</p><p>In theory, Verizon won't stop you from using any unlocked CDMA phone... but as a practical matter, it's unlikely to reliably support anything besides voice. Even voicemail is iffy (read: the indicator probably won't work, and you'll have to dial a normal phone number to access it instead of pressing and holding the '1' key). Text messages  ~140 characters might work, but longer ones will either be truncated or blackholed. 1xRTT data will probably work, but I wouldn't bet the farm on EV-DO. Unless you work for Verizon or have access to inside information not available to normal users, it's very unlikely you'll ever get an "alien" CDMA phone to work perfectly and seamlessly on Verizon.</p><p>Put another way, if Sprint and Verizon both properly supported R-UIM cards, and had a page on their respective websites listing the raw info you might need if you REALLY wanted to customize the firmware of an "alien" phone to make it work seamlessly, any unlocked phone that worked on one would work just fine on the other. The bare-metal hardware is identical. The only differences are in the customized firmware... and most of THOSE differences are the first thing people who build their own Windows Mobile &amp; Android ROMs rip out.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p><p>That said, Verizon won't likely be compatible with Sprint "forever". Officially, Verizon's future is LTE, and Sprint's future is WiMax. Unofficially, it's anybody's guess whether one or both will actually follow through with those plans, or change their minds along the way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; In fact , only CDMA phones have significant competition that could inspire a user to take &gt; a phone to another carrier , and I wonder how incompatible Sprint 's 3G network is with Verizon 's.In purely technical terms , pretty much any phone available from both Sprint and Verizon that does n't go out of its way to prevent you from reflashing it with the other carrier 's firmware works fine .
In reality , it 's a one-way trip from Sprint to Verizon ( or maybe one of the few remaining regional CDMA carriers ) , because Sprint wo n't activate any phone whose ESN is n't in their official database .
Hell , even when they OWNED Telus ( Canada ) , you could n't activate a Telus phone on Sprint or vice-versa , even though roaming between them was absolutely seamless , and the two networks used pretty much identical hardware &amp; software.In theory , Verizon wo n't stop you from using any unlocked CDMA phone... but as a practical matter , it 's unlikely to reliably support anything besides voice .
Even voicemail is iffy ( read : the indicator probably wo n't work , and you 'll have to dial a normal phone number to access it instead of pressing and holding the '1 ' key ) .
Text messages ~ 140 characters might work , but longer ones will either be truncated or blackholed .
1xRTT data will probably work , but I would n't bet the farm on EV-DO .
Unless you work for Verizon or have access to inside information not available to normal users , it 's very unlikely you 'll ever get an " alien " CDMA phone to work perfectly and seamlessly on Verizon.Put another way , if Sprint and Verizon both properly supported R-UIM cards , and had a page on their respective websites listing the raw info you might need if you REALLY wanted to customize the firmware of an " alien " phone to make it work seamlessly , any unlocked phone that worked on one would work just fine on the other .
The bare-metal hardware is identical .
The only differences are in the customized firmware... and most of THOSE differences are the first thing people who build their own Windows Mobile &amp; Android ROMs rip out .
; - ) That said , Verizon wo n't likely be compatible with Sprint " forever " .
Officially , Verizon 's future is LTE , and Sprint 's future is WiMax .
Unofficially , it 's anybody 's guess whether one or both will actually follow through with those plans , or change their minds along the way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; In fact, only CDMA phones have significant competition that could inspire a user to take&gt; a phone to another carrier, and I wonder how incompatible Sprint's 3G network is with Verizon's.In purely technical terms, pretty much any phone available from both Sprint and Verizon that doesn't go out of its way to prevent you from reflashing it with the other carrier's firmware works fine.
In reality, it's a one-way trip from Sprint to Verizon (or maybe one of the few remaining regional CDMA carriers), because Sprint won't activate any phone whose ESN isn't in their official database.
Hell, even when they OWNED Telus (Canada), you couldn't activate a Telus phone on Sprint or vice-versa, even though roaming between them was absolutely seamless, and the two networks used pretty much identical hardware &amp; software.In theory, Verizon won't stop you from using any unlocked CDMA phone... but as a practical matter, it's unlikely to reliably support anything besides voice.
Even voicemail is iffy (read: the indicator probably won't work, and you'll have to dial a normal phone number to access it instead of pressing and holding the '1' key).
Text messages  ~140 characters might work, but longer ones will either be truncated or blackholed.
1xRTT data will probably work, but I wouldn't bet the farm on EV-DO.
Unless you work for Verizon or have access to inside information not available to normal users, it's very unlikely you'll ever get an "alien" CDMA phone to work perfectly and seamlessly on Verizon.Put another way, if Sprint and Verizon both properly supported R-UIM cards, and had a page on their respective websites listing the raw info you might need if you REALLY wanted to customize the firmware of an "alien" phone to make it work seamlessly, any unlocked phone that worked on one would work just fine on the other.
The bare-metal hardware is identical.
The only differences are in the customized firmware... and most of THOSE differences are the first thing people who build their own Windows Mobile &amp; Android ROMs rip out.
;-)That said, Verizon won't likely be compatible with Sprint "forever".
Officially, Verizon's future is LTE, and Sprint's future is WiMax.
Unofficially, it's anybody's guess whether one or both will actually follow through with those plans, or change their minds along the way.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597782</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30603342</id>
	<title>I'm a curmudgeon...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259868180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I buy 3 year old, good, used cheap phones from my independent retailer. Please support my habit. The market needs more good, used phones. Thank you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I buy 3 year old , good , used cheap phones from my independent retailer .
Please support my habit .
The market needs more good , used phones .
Thank you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I buy 3 year old, good, used cheap phones from my independent retailer.
Please support my habit.
The market needs more good, used phones.
Thank you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597242</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30602220</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>DrDitto</author>
	<datestamp>1259854620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>There are not too many countries outside of the US where CDMA is even present!</i> <br> <br>
I guess China doesn't count.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are not too many countries outside of the US where CDMA is even present !
I guess China does n't count .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are not too many countries outside of the US where CDMA is even present!
I guess China doesn't count.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30599478</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597250</id>
	<title>CDMA?</title>
	<author>bcong</author>
	<datestamp>1259868360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why is it that CDMA is always left by the wayside?  It seems as though all new, cool phones always end up GSM...and never go CDMA.  Is it really in the minority so much that vendors pass it by?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....or is it that I need to change my provider?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is it that CDMA is always left by the wayside ?
It seems as though all new , cool phones always end up GSM...and never go CDMA .
Is it really in the minority so much that vendors pass it by ?
....or is it that I need to change my provider ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is it that CDMA is always left by the wayside?
It seems as though all new, cool phones always end up GSM...and never go CDMA.
Is it really in the minority so much that vendors pass it by?
....or is it that I need to change my provider?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598230</id>
	<title>Re:Invite only?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259872200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But this is a total game-changer! An iPhone killer!</p><p>Isn't it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But this is a total game-changer !
An iPhone killer ! Is n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But this is a total game-changer!
An iPhone killer!Isn't it?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597140</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30602128</id>
	<title>Clarfify, S'il vous plait</title>
	<author>Mana Mana</author>
	<datestamp>1259853600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>GSM people realized that CDMA &gt; TDMA when they <b>[GSM people?]</b> got together to make WCDMA (also called UMTS). From a simple view, UMTS is CDMA, but using a 5 MHz frequency band, rather than the ~1.25 MHz band that CMDA uses.</p> </div><p>It's all good but can you clarify this point, please.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>GSM people realized that CDMA &gt; TDMA when they [ GSM people ?
] got together to make WCDMA ( also called UMTS ) .
From a simple view , UMTS is CDMA , but using a 5 MHz frequency band , rather than the ~ 1.25 MHz band that CMDA uses .
It 's all good but can you clarify this point , please .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GSM people realized that CDMA &gt; TDMA when they [GSM people?
] got together to make WCDMA (also called UMTS).
From a simple view, UMTS is CDMA, but using a 5 MHz frequency band, rather than the ~1.25 MHz band that CMDA uses.
It's all good but can you clarify this point, please.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598702</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597152</id>
	<title>So</title>
	<author>jimbobborg</author>
	<datestamp>1259868000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who got invited?  Whoopi Goldberg?  Or one of the celebs on the T-Mobile Android ads?</p><p>And $530 for an unlocked phone that will last about three years?  Really?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who got invited ?
Whoopi Goldberg ?
Or one of the celebs on the T-Mobile Android ads ? And $ 530 for an unlocked phone that will last about three years ?
Really ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who got invited?
Whoopi Goldberg?
Or one of the celebs on the T-Mobile Android ads?And $530 for an unlocked phone that will last about three years?
Really?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598366</id>
	<title>Disappointed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259872620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This phone is called "Nexus One" and no one on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. has asked for the Nexus Six?  You guys are really off today.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This phone is called " Nexus One " and no one on / .
has asked for the Nexus Six ?
You guys are really off today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This phone is called "Nexus One" and no one on /.
has asked for the Nexus Six?
You guys are really off today.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30602398</id>
	<title>Re:So</title>
	<author>Slisochies</author>
	<datestamp>1259856300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>$530 US is about the standard price for unlocked smartphones worldwide. It's about the same price as an unlocked iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 530 US is about the standard price for unlocked smartphones worldwide .
It 's about the same price as an unlocked iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$530 US is about the standard price for unlocked smartphones worldwide.
It's about the same price as an unlocked iPhone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597152</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597792</id>
	<title>Unlocked?  Not until I get a monthly discount!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259870580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd gladly buy an unlocked phone and switch to the best US carrier for me, just give me an equivalent monthly discount on my service... AT&amp;T ??<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Verizon ??<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... T-Mobile ??<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Sprint ??<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Bueller??<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Anyone ??</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd gladly buy an unlocked phone and switch to the best US carrier for me , just give me an equivalent monthly discount on my service... AT&amp;T ? ?
... Verizon ? ?
... T-Mobile ? ?
... Sprint ? ?
... Bueller ? ?
... Anyone ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd gladly buy an unlocked phone and switch to the best US carrier for me, just give me an equivalent monthly discount on my service... AT&amp;T ??
... Verizon ??
... T-Mobile ??
... Sprint ??
... Bueller??
... Anyone ?
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597152</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597992</id>
	<title>Re:No keyboard = do not want</title>
	<author>AP31R0N</author>
	<datestamp>1259871360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And reach around.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And reach around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And reach around.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597736</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597592</id>
	<title>Hello</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259869860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Alright gentlemen, I've seem to have gotten myself into another bind. Allow me to explain. Seems my boss here is extremely long-winded and is a "time eater." He constantly ambles by my desk and postulates about all of his project load and how I can best assist him.</p><p>Well today took the proverbial cake. I had just chugged two Monster drinks and was in dire need of a restroom break to relieve myself. Not wanting to appear rude I allowed my boss to continue his diatribe to the point where my torso started to cramp up. By the time he was nearly finished I couldn't hold it in any longer. And accidentally urinated myself. </p><p>So here I now sit, with my agenda binder covering my lap and an unsightly dark stain on my trousers. And my boss is still hovering down the hall between myself and the restroom.</p><p>Any suggestions on how to most craftily make an escape and not draw attention to myself? The worst part of the scenario is that I had an asparagus omlette for breakfast so my scent is most foul...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Alright gentlemen , I 've seem to have gotten myself into another bind .
Allow me to explain .
Seems my boss here is extremely long-winded and is a " time eater .
" He constantly ambles by my desk and postulates about all of his project load and how I can best assist him.Well today took the proverbial cake .
I had just chugged two Monster drinks and was in dire need of a restroom break to relieve myself .
Not wanting to appear rude I allowed my boss to continue his diatribe to the point where my torso started to cramp up .
By the time he was nearly finished I could n't hold it in any longer .
And accidentally urinated myself .
So here I now sit , with my agenda binder covering my lap and an unsightly dark stain on my trousers .
And my boss is still hovering down the hall between myself and the restroom.Any suggestions on how to most craftily make an escape and not draw attention to myself ?
The worst part of the scenario is that I had an asparagus omlette for breakfast so my scent is most foul.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alright gentlemen, I've seem to have gotten myself into another bind.
Allow me to explain.
Seems my boss here is extremely long-winded and is a "time eater.
" He constantly ambles by my desk and postulates about all of his project load and how I can best assist him.Well today took the proverbial cake.
I had just chugged two Monster drinks and was in dire need of a restroom break to relieve myself.
Not wanting to appear rude I allowed my boss to continue his diatribe to the point where my torso started to cramp up.
By the time he was nearly finished I couldn't hold it in any longer.
And accidentally urinated myself.
So here I now sit, with my agenda binder covering my lap and an unsightly dark stain on my trousers.
And my boss is still hovering down the hall between myself and the restroom.Any suggestions on how to most craftily make an escape and not draw attention to myself?
The worst part of the scenario is that I had an asparagus omlette for breakfast so my scent is most foul...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597224</id>
	<title>This is just FUD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259868240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've seen this post on many other sites, all referencing to the gizmodo link, which is a <b>mockup</b> of the page which is supposed to be the actual page offering the phone. No confirmation, no real data, no journalism.. just plain old FUD.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen this post on many other sites , all referencing to the gizmodo link , which is a mockup of the page which is supposed to be the actual page offering the phone .
No confirmation , no real data , no journalism.. just plain old FUD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen this post on many other sites, all referencing to the gizmodo link, which is a mockup of the page which is supposed to be the actual page offering the phone.
No confirmation, no real data, no journalism.. just plain old FUD.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598164</id>
	<title>Re:prices?</title>
	<author>Seor Jojoba</author>
	<datestamp>1259871960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The funny thing is that T-Mobile offers a pretty decent plan with 3G data for $50/month which would be my first choice.  But if you buy the subsidized phone, you get the spendy $80/month plan which doesn't really have good value to warrant the extra cost, IMO.  Difference seems to be just more minutes and unlimited SMSs.  So I could see buying the unsubsidized phone, and just getting the cheaper T-Mobile data plan separately.</p><p>Also, T-Mobile is one of the major carriers that refused to turn over customer information to US officials without a warrant.  And they got KZJ, who is much sexier than the "Can You Hear Me Now" guy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The funny thing is that T-Mobile offers a pretty decent plan with 3G data for $ 50/month which would be my first choice .
But if you buy the subsidized phone , you get the spendy $ 80/month plan which does n't really have good value to warrant the extra cost , IMO .
Difference seems to be just more minutes and unlimited SMSs .
So I could see buying the unsubsidized phone , and just getting the cheaper T-Mobile data plan separately.Also , T-Mobile is one of the major carriers that refused to turn over customer information to US officials without a warrant .
And they got KZJ , who is much sexier than the " Can You Hear Me Now " guy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The funny thing is that T-Mobile offers a pretty decent plan with 3G data for $50/month which would be my first choice.
But if you buy the subsidized phone, you get the spendy $80/month plan which doesn't really have good value to warrant the extra cost, IMO.
Difference seems to be just more minutes and unlimited SMSs.
So I could see buying the unsubsidized phone, and just getting the cheaper T-Mobile data plan separately.Also, T-Mobile is one of the major carriers that refused to turn over customer information to US officials without a warrant.
And they got KZJ, who is much sexier than the "Can You Hear Me Now" guy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597306</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597782</id>
	<title>Re:Subsidy lock?</title>
	<author>rickb928</author>
	<datestamp>1259870580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If this phone only supports T-Mobile's 3G bands, there is little point to locking it in the first place.</p><p>Moving to AT&amp;T gets you a 2G phone on EDGE, which is a very undesireable phone, especially if you want those data features that mean lots of data.</p><p>And taking it overseas is unlikely and risks the same problem - 2G in a 3G world.</p><p>In fact, only CDMA phones have significant competition that could inspire a user to take a phone to another carrier, and I wonder how incompatible Sprint's 3G network is with Verizon's.</p><p>The locking is less and less useful because of these incompatible, unique data network protocols.</p><p>Oh, and the point about an UNsubsidized rate plan?  Brilliant!  We b gettin screwed after our plan is completed, and no carrier dares actually put a price on the subsidy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If this phone only supports T-Mobile 's 3G bands , there is little point to locking it in the first place.Moving to AT&amp;T gets you a 2G phone on EDGE , which is a very undesireable phone , especially if you want those data features that mean lots of data.And taking it overseas is unlikely and risks the same problem - 2G in a 3G world.In fact , only CDMA phones have significant competition that could inspire a user to take a phone to another carrier , and I wonder how incompatible Sprint 's 3G network is with Verizon 's.The locking is less and less useful because of these incompatible , unique data network protocols.Oh , and the point about an UNsubsidized rate plan ?
Brilliant ! We b gettin screwed after our plan is completed , and no carrier dares actually put a price on the subsidy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this phone only supports T-Mobile's 3G bands, there is little point to locking it in the first place.Moving to AT&amp;T gets you a 2G phone on EDGE, which is a very undesireable phone, especially if you want those data features that mean lots of data.And taking it overseas is unlikely and risks the same problem - 2G in a 3G world.In fact, only CDMA phones have significant competition that could inspire a user to take a phone to another carrier, and I wonder how incompatible Sprint's 3G network is with Verizon's.The locking is less and less useful because of these incompatible, unique data network protocols.Oh, and the point about an UNsubsidized rate plan?
Brilliant!  We b gettin screwed after our plan is completed, and no carrier dares actually put a price on the subsidy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597198</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30598496</id>
	<title>Slashdot. News for Yuppies</title>
	<author>CranberryKing</author>
	<datestamp>1259873100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another story about a phone. Maybe it's cooler than the iPhone! I will look cool on it when I'm not spinning records at my club. Snoorree..</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another story about a phone .
Maybe it 's cooler than the iPhone !
I will look cool on it when I 'm not spinning records at my club .
Snoorree. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another story about a phone.
Maybe it's cooler than the iPhone!
I will look cool on it when I'm not spinning records at my club.
Snoorree..</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597338</id>
	<title>Re:CDMA?</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1259868720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Worldwide marketshare, or lack thereof.<br> <br>

Also, at least until <i>very</i> recently, Verizon, the CMDA carrier of real note, was notorious for their enthusiasm for crippling phones and "standardizing" interfaces with heavy applications of the ugly stick.<br> <br>

There is a market there, so the phones do eventually get made; but it isn't exactly a thrilling zone of innovative freedom.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Worldwide marketshare , or lack thereof .
Also , at least until very recently , Verizon , the CMDA carrier of real note , was notorious for their enthusiasm for crippling phones and " standardizing " interfaces with heavy applications of the ugly stick .
There is a market there , so the phones do eventually get made ; but it is n't exactly a thrilling zone of innovative freedom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Worldwide marketshare, or lack thereof.
Also, at least until very recently, Verizon, the CMDA carrier of real note, was notorious for their enthusiasm for crippling phones and "standardizing" interfaces with heavy applications of the ugly stick.
There is a market there, so the phones do eventually get made; but it isn't exactly a thrilling zone of innovative freedom.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597250</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597772</id>
	<title>Re:No thanks</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1259870520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And its yours out of the gate. But its all still a big ripoff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And its yours out of the gate .
But its all still a big ripoff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And its yours out of the gate.
But its all still a big ripoff.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1447220.30597162</parent>
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