<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_30_1416227</id>
	<title>Ginkgo Doesn't Improve Memory Or Cognitive Skills</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1262190720000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>JumperCable writes <i>"Ginkgo biloba has <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/12/29/ginkgo.biloba.brain/index.html">failed &mdash; again &mdash; to live up to its reputation</a> for boosting memory and brain function. Just over a year after a study showed that the herb doesn't prevent dementia and Alzheimer's disease, a <a href="http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/302/24/2663?home">new study from the same team</a> of researchers has found no evidence that ginkgo reduces the normal cognitive decline that comes with aging.  In the new study, the largest of its kind to date, <a href="http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/about/dean.cfm">DeKosky</a> and his colleagues followed more than 3,000 people between the ages of 72 and 96 for an average of six years. Half of the participants took two 120-milligram capsules of ginkgo a day during the study period, and the other half took a placebo.  The people who took ginkgo showed no differences in attention, memory, and other cognitive measures compared to those who took the placebo, according to the study, which was published in this week's <em>Journal of the American Medical Association</em>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>JumperCable writes " Ginkgo biloba has failed    again    to live up to its reputation for boosting memory and brain function .
Just over a year after a study showed that the herb does n't prevent dementia and Alzheimer 's disease , a new study from the same team of researchers has found no evidence that ginkgo reduces the normal cognitive decline that comes with aging .
In the new study , the largest of its kind to date , DeKosky and his colleagues followed more than 3,000 people between the ages of 72 and 96 for an average of six years .
Half of the participants took two 120-milligram capsules of ginkgo a day during the study period , and the other half took a placebo .
The people who took ginkgo showed no differences in attention , memory , and other cognitive measures compared to those who took the placebo , according to the study , which was published in this week 's Journal of the American Medical Association .
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<sentencetext>JumperCable writes "Ginkgo biloba has failed — again — to live up to its reputation for boosting memory and brain function.
Just over a year after a study showed that the herb doesn't prevent dementia and Alzheimer's disease, a new study from the same team of researchers has found no evidence that ginkgo reduces the normal cognitive decline that comes with aging.
In the new study, the largest of its kind to date, DeKosky and his colleagues followed more than 3,000 people between the ages of 72 and 96 for an average of six years.
Half of the participants took two 120-milligram capsules of ginkgo a day during the study period, and the other half took a placebo.
The people who took ginkgo showed no differences in attention, memory, and other cognitive measures compared to those who took the placebo, according to the study, which was published in this week's Journal of the American Medical Association.
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	<title>Disclosures: Dr DeKosky Gets Big Pharma Money</title>
	<author>Ron Bennett</author>
	<datestamp>1259866320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Financial Disclosures:<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Dr DeKosky reports receiving grants or research support from Elan, Myriad, Neurochem, and GlaxoSmithKline and serving on the advisory boards of or consulting for AstraZeneca, Abbott, Baxter, Daichi, Eisai, Forest, Genentech, GlaxoSmithKline, Lilly, Medivation, Merck, NeuroPharma, Neuroptix, Pfizer, Myriad, and Servier. No other disclosures were reported.</p></div></blockquote><p>Not to say the results of this particular study are necessarily bogus, but sure makes one wonder.</p><p>Big pharma dislikes "natural", as in often unpatentable, treatments; discourages their use.</p><p>Ron</p></div>
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<tokenext>Financial Disclosures : ... Dr DeKosky reports receiving grants or research support from Elan , Myriad , Neurochem , and GlaxoSmithKline and serving on the advisory boards of or consulting for AstraZeneca , Abbott , Baxter , Daichi , Eisai , Forest , Genentech , GlaxoSmithKline , Lilly , Medivation , Merck , NeuroPharma , Neuroptix , Pfizer , Myriad , and Servier .
No other disclosures were reported.Not to say the results of this particular study are necessarily bogus , but sure makes one wonder.Big pharma dislikes " natural " , as in often unpatentable , treatments ; discourages their use.Ron</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Financial Disclosures: ... Dr DeKosky reports receiving grants or research support from Elan, Myriad, Neurochem, and GlaxoSmithKline and serving on the advisory boards of or consulting for AstraZeneca, Abbott, Baxter, Daichi, Eisai, Forest, Genentech, GlaxoSmithKline, Lilly, Medivation, Merck, NeuroPharma, Neuroptix, Pfizer, Myriad, and Servier.
No other disclosures were reported.Not to say the results of this particular study are necessarily bogus, but sure makes one wonder.Big pharma dislikes "natural", as in often unpatentable, treatments; discourages their use.Ron
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595590</id>
	<title>Re:Ginko has a different effect on me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259862780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I took gingko once, i was able to see each individual raindrop hitting the parking lot all at once.  It was pretty wild stuff.  I never did it again.  Yes, I'm sure that's what I took.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I took gingko once , i was able to see each individual raindrop hitting the parking lot all at once .
It was pretty wild stuff .
I never did it again .
Yes , I 'm sure that 's what I took .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I took gingko once, i was able to see each individual raindrop hitting the parking lot all at once.
It was pretty wild stuff.
I never did it again.
Yes, I'm sure that's what I took.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30598432</id>
	<title>Re:Medical conspiracy!</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1259872860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I agree on the point you&rsquo;re trying to make, actually most of the medicine we know today <strong>is</strong> stuff that grows in exotic jungles (and in the nature around us)!</p><p>Also, doctors <em>are</em> normally not actually healing you. I mean, when was the last time you saw a doctor talk about the actual <em>cause</em> of something with you? No, I don&rsquo;t mean the typical doctor&rsquo;s definition of &ldquo;cause&rdquo;. That&rsquo;s a symptom! The real cause is either something from the environment (food, nature, psychological things), or genetic. But instead, those pharmacists with further training go and call heart failure a cause of death!! That is so WTF it&rsquo;s beyond belief!</p><p>It&rsquo;s like seeing a cop go &ldquo;Oh, the cause of this car crash was that big dent in your hood&rdquo;.</p><p>No it&rsquo;s not. Heart failure is caused by something. Headache is caused by something. Everything is caused by something... and if it&rsquo;s not genetic, it <em>always</em> is outside the body. Full stop.</p><p>Now I can see you thinking I want the opposite of &ldquo;normal&rdquo; medicine, with all that pseudo-scientific shit.<br>No, I don&rsquo;t. Neither nor. I want that people finally think for themselves, lay off the false social conditioning, and find out the actual <em>causes</em> of their diseases.<br>Then, the could actually heal!</p><p>Because getting a constant drug pump implanted in your body is not a solution, and you are not healthy afterwards.<br>Just as constantly taking painkillers is not going to ever heal you.<br>That stuff just makes you ignore the symptoms, and pay loads of cash to the assholes who will do everything in their power from you actually healing, and becoming independent of their shit.</p><p>Ginko sellers and pharma companies are not opposites. The are the exact same thing. Selling shit that does not actually help you, and make money off of it, as long as possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I agree on the point you    re trying to make , actually most of the medicine we know today is stuff that grows in exotic jungles ( and in the nature around us ) ! Also , doctors are normally not actually healing you .
I mean , when was the last time you saw a doctor talk about the actual cause of something with you ?
No , I don    t mean the typical doctor    s definition of    cause    .
That    s a symptom !
The real cause is either something from the environment ( food , nature , psychological things ) , or genetic .
But instead , those pharmacists with further training go and call heart failure a cause of death ! !
That is so WTF it    s beyond belief ! It    s like seeing a cop go    Oh , the cause of this car crash was that big dent in your hood    .No it    s not .
Heart failure is caused by something .
Headache is caused by something .
Everything is caused by something... and if it    s not genetic , it always is outside the body .
Full stop.Now I can see you thinking I want the opposite of    normal    medicine , with all that pseudo-scientific shit.No , I don    t .
Neither nor .
I want that people finally think for themselves , lay off the false social conditioning , and find out the actual causes of their diseases.Then , the could actually heal ! Because getting a constant drug pump implanted in your body is not a solution , and you are not healthy afterwards.Just as constantly taking painkillers is not going to ever heal you.That stuff just makes you ignore the symptoms , and pay loads of cash to the assholes who will do everything in their power from you actually healing , and becoming independent of their shit.Ginko sellers and pharma companies are not opposites .
The are the exact same thing .
Selling shit that does not actually help you , and make money off of it , as long as possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I agree on the point you’re trying to make, actually most of the medicine we know today is stuff that grows in exotic jungles (and in the nature around us)!Also, doctors are normally not actually healing you.
I mean, when was the last time you saw a doctor talk about the actual cause of something with you?
No, I don’t mean the typical doctor’s definition of “cause”.
That’s a symptom!
The real cause is either something from the environment (food, nature, psychological things), or genetic.
But instead, those pharmacists with further training go and call heart failure a cause of death!!
That is so WTF it’s beyond belief!It’s like seeing a cop go “Oh, the cause of this car crash was that big dent in your hood”.No it’s not.
Heart failure is caused by something.
Headache is caused by something.
Everything is caused by something... and if it’s not genetic, it always is outside the body.
Full stop.Now I can see you thinking I want the opposite of “normal” medicine, with all that pseudo-scientific shit.No, I don’t.
Neither nor.
I want that people finally think for themselves, lay off the false social conditioning, and find out the actual causes of their diseases.Then, the could actually heal!Because getting a constant drug pump implanted in your body is not a solution, and you are not healthy afterwards.Just as constantly taking painkillers is not going to ever heal you.That stuff just makes you ignore the symptoms, and pay loads of cash to the assholes who will do everything in their power from you actually healing, and becoming independent of their shit.Ginko sellers and pharma companies are not opposites.
The are the exact same thing.
Selling shit that does not actually help you, and make money off of it, as long as possible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597816</id>
	<title>Re:"Americans spent $107 million on it"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259870700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Am I the only one who read that as "Cholera Tablets"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one who read that as " Cholera Tablets " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one who read that as "Cholera Tablets"?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30598932</id>
	<title>Re:Medical conspiracy!</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1259831940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, you have *no* idea what you're getting when you buy a "nutritional supplement".</p><p>Let's suppose there is some clinical evidence for a supplement's effectiveness.   If you buy it in "herbal" form, it might not contain the same parts of the plant that were studied.  If you buy the compound, you might not get the same enantiomer studied.</p><p>In fact, in the United States you might not be getting what the label says at all. There was a study cited in Science News a few years back which showed that "dietary supplements" often contained *none* of the headline ingredients, and often had ingredient that weren't listed.  I've had this problem with herbal *tea*; I once drank a cup of chamomile tea and had an unmistakable pseudophed reaction -- probably due to contamination with ephedra.</p><p>Next year, the FDA will put into effect rules that will require supplement labels to be accurate and for the supplement not to be contaminated with other substances. Believe it or not, this is the first time the FDA has had a policy of enforcing those things.  It's no wonder that research support for supplement claims is wanting.  Even if the supplement has value, if they are using commercial supplements who knows what they are giving the test subjects. In fact, I'd say it's probably ethically questionable to conduct human research with commercial supplements, until the FDA gets its act together.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , you have * no * idea what you 're getting when you buy a " nutritional supplement " .Let 's suppose there is some clinical evidence for a supplement 's effectiveness .
If you buy it in " herbal " form , it might not contain the same parts of the plant that were studied .
If you buy the compound , you might not get the same enantiomer studied.In fact , in the United States you might not be getting what the label says at all .
There was a study cited in Science News a few years back which showed that " dietary supplements " often contained * none * of the headline ingredients , and often had ingredient that were n't listed .
I 've had this problem with herbal * tea * ; I once drank a cup of chamomile tea and had an unmistakable pseudophed reaction -- probably due to contamination with ephedra.Next year , the FDA will put into effect rules that will require supplement labels to be accurate and for the supplement not to be contaminated with other substances .
Believe it or not , this is the first time the FDA has had a policy of enforcing those things .
It 's no wonder that research support for supplement claims is wanting .
Even if the supplement has value , if they are using commercial supplements who knows what they are giving the test subjects .
In fact , I 'd say it 's probably ethically questionable to conduct human research with commercial supplements , until the FDA gets its act together .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, you have *no* idea what you're getting when you buy a "nutritional supplement".Let's suppose there is some clinical evidence for a supplement's effectiveness.
If you buy it in "herbal" form, it might not contain the same parts of the plant that were studied.
If you buy the compound, you might not get the same enantiomer studied.In fact, in the United States you might not be getting what the label says at all.
There was a study cited in Science News a few years back which showed that "dietary supplements" often contained *none* of the headline ingredients, and often had ingredient that weren't listed.
I've had this problem with herbal *tea*; I once drank a cup of chamomile tea and had an unmistakable pseudophed reaction -- probably due to contamination with ephedra.Next year, the FDA will put into effect rules that will require supplement labels to be accurate and for the supplement not to be contaminated with other substances.
Believe it or not, this is the first time the FDA has had a policy of enforcing those things.
It's no wonder that research support for supplement claims is wanting.
Even if the supplement has value, if they are using commercial supplements who knows what they are giving the test subjects.
In fact, I'd say it's probably ethically questionable to conduct human research with commercial supplements, until the FDA gets its act together.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30598274</id>
	<title>Re:120 milligrams isn't enough for any effect</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259872320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Depends on the pot of course. I could show you stuff that will absolutely FUCK YOU UP with one 1/4 joint.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends on the pot of course .
I could show you stuff that will absolutely FUCK YOU UP with one 1/4 joint .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends on the pot of course.
I could show you stuff that will absolutely FUCK YOU UP with one 1/4 joint.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596040</id>
	<title>Re:That's just Western prejudice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259864160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thank you.</p><p>To this post I feel I should add: Gingko Biloba.</p><p>(does it work for mod points?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you.To this post I feel I should add : Gingko Biloba .
( does it work for mod points ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you.To this post I feel I should add: Gingko Biloba.
(does it work for mod points?
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30598114</id>
	<title>Re:Medical conspiracy!</title>
	<author>steelfood</author>
	<datestamp>1259871780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yes but was it ORGANIC Kinkgo?</p></div><p>No, but it came with a FedEx.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes but was it ORGANIC Kinkgo ? No , but it came with a FedEx .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes but was it ORGANIC Kinkgo?No, but it came with a FedEx.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595940</id>
	<title>Re:So what exactly then...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259863860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ginkgo biloba , HUH!<br>What is it good for?<br>Absolutely nothing!<br>Say it agian.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ginkgo biloba , HUH ! What is it good for ? Absolutely nothing ! Say it agian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ginkgo biloba , HUH!What is it good for?Absolutely nothing!Say it agian.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30598442</id>
	<title>Re:So what exactly then...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259872860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Parting fools and their money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Parting fools and their money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Parting fools and their money.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30608824</id>
	<title>Mixed Results</title>
	<author>phred75</author>
	<datestamp>1262291700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've had mixed success with it as far as cognitive functioning goes. Taken alone, I've noticed a little improvement but nothing drastic. Depending on the brand I would actually get a big of an allergic reaction from it!  Im trying a new formula called Memory Essentials. It contains:

Alpha-Glycerylphosphorycholine (alpha-GPC) (from soy) - 250 mg
Vitamin B6 (as pyridoxine HCI) - 76 mg
Folic Acid - 100 mcg
Vitamin B12 (as cyanocobalamin, methycobalamin) - 50 mcg
Pantothenic Acid (as calcium panthothenate) - 100 mg
Phosphatidylserine Complex (from soy) - 100 mg
Green Tea Extract (leaf) - 100 mg
Blueberry Powder - 50 mg
Ginkgo Biloba Extract - 100 mg

Giving it a try this month. It;s making a difference no doubt but not sure how big. I'll go without it next month and compare.

How ever one supplement that DEFINITLY makes a difference for me is L-Tyrosine as it's a precursor to L-Dopa aka dopamine. My main problem area has always been focus over memory retention.  Used to take ritalin as a kid, that shit made me into a zombie!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had mixed success with it as far as cognitive functioning goes .
Taken alone , I 've noticed a little improvement but nothing drastic .
Depending on the brand I would actually get a big of an allergic reaction from it !
Im trying a new formula called Memory Essentials .
It contains : Alpha-Glycerylphosphorycholine ( alpha-GPC ) ( from soy ) - 250 mg Vitamin B6 ( as pyridoxine HCI ) - 76 mg Folic Acid - 100 mcg Vitamin B12 ( as cyanocobalamin , methycobalamin ) - 50 mcg Pantothenic Acid ( as calcium panthothenate ) - 100 mg Phosphatidylserine Complex ( from soy ) - 100 mg Green Tea Extract ( leaf ) - 100 mg Blueberry Powder - 50 mg Ginkgo Biloba Extract - 100 mg Giving it a try this month .
It ; s making a difference no doubt but not sure how big .
I 'll go without it next month and compare .
How ever one supplement that DEFINITLY makes a difference for me is L-Tyrosine as it 's a precursor to L-Dopa aka dopamine .
My main problem area has always been focus over memory retention .
Used to take ritalin as a kid , that shit made me into a zombie !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had mixed success with it as far as cognitive functioning goes.
Taken alone, I've noticed a little improvement but nothing drastic.
Depending on the brand I would actually get a big of an allergic reaction from it!
Im trying a new formula called Memory Essentials.
It contains:

Alpha-Glycerylphosphorycholine (alpha-GPC) (from soy) - 250 mg
Vitamin B6 (as pyridoxine HCI) - 76 mg
Folic Acid - 100 mcg
Vitamin B12 (as cyanocobalamin, methycobalamin) - 50 mcg
Pantothenic Acid (as calcium panthothenate) - 100 mg
Phosphatidylserine Complex (from soy) - 100 mg
Green Tea Extract (leaf) - 100 mg
Blueberry Powder - 50 mg
Ginkgo Biloba Extract - 100 mg

Giving it a try this month.
It;s making a difference no doubt but not sure how big.
I'll go without it next month and compare.
How ever one supplement that DEFINITLY makes a difference for me is L-Tyrosine as it's a precursor to L-Dopa aka dopamine.
My main problem area has always been focus over memory retention.
Used to take ritalin as a kid, that shit made me into a zombie!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596508</id>
	<title>Re:Ginko has a different effect on me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259865600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know I'm being silly here, but I actually read *some* of the JAMA article.  In the paper I saw, they were testing to see if GB had any effect on *older* patients with cognitive degeneration.</p><p>So, if you are 70 and you take GB because you think it'll improve your memory, you are probably SOL.  If you are 30 and you take it because you want a quick boost, you are probably getting what you pay for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know I 'm being silly here , but I actually read * some * of the JAMA article .
In the paper I saw , they were testing to see if GB had any effect on * older * patients with cognitive degeneration.So , if you are 70 and you take GB because you think it 'll improve your memory , you are probably SOL .
If you are 30 and you take it because you want a quick boost , you are probably getting what you pay for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know I'm being silly here, but I actually read *some* of the JAMA article.
In the paper I saw, they were testing to see if GB had any effect on *older* patients with cognitive degeneration.So, if you are 70 and you take GB because you think it'll improve your memory, you are probably SOL.
If you are 30 and you take it because you want a quick boost, you are probably getting what you pay for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30598696</id>
	<title>Re:Ginko has a different effect on me</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1259830860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, are we supposed to moderate this Funny, or are you just out of the stuff? ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , are we supposed to moderate this Funny , or are you just out of the stuff ?
^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, are we supposed to moderate this Funny, or are you just out of the stuff?
^^</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30598952</id>
	<title>Re:120 milligrams isn't enough for any effect</title>
	<author>lanner</author>
	<datestamp>1259832000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have two bottles of ginkgo products on my desk right now, which I bought from a store.</p><p>One has 400mg of gotu kola, which has nothing do to with ginkgo, and also 60mg of ginkgo biloba dried extract.</p><p>The other has 120mg of ginko biloba.</p><p>Both have, per bottle instructions, one pill per day usage.</p><p>So, the study did exactly what it should, and used "recommended" daily values of the product, which apparently failed to produce a positive result.</p><p>Whoever figured out that 120mg of ginkgo was "enough", who knows?</p><p>Seems like you are trying to find a reason to disregard the results of the study to meet your pre-determined opinion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have two bottles of ginkgo products on my desk right now , which I bought from a store.One has 400mg of gotu kola , which has nothing do to with ginkgo , and also 60mg of ginkgo biloba dried extract.The other has 120mg of ginko biloba.Both have , per bottle instructions , one pill per day usage.So , the study did exactly what it should , and used " recommended " daily values of the product , which apparently failed to produce a positive result.Whoever figured out that 120mg of ginkgo was " enough " , who knows ? Seems like you are trying to find a reason to disregard the results of the study to meet your pre-determined opinion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have two bottles of ginkgo products on my desk right now, which I bought from a store.One has 400mg of gotu kola, which has nothing do to with ginkgo, and also 60mg of ginkgo biloba dried extract.The other has 120mg of ginko biloba.Both have, per bottle instructions, one pill per day usage.So, the study did exactly what it should, and used "recommended" daily values of the product, which apparently failed to produce a positive result.Whoever figured out that 120mg of ginkgo was "enough", who knows?Seems like you are trying to find a reason to disregard the results of the study to meet your pre-determined opinion.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595620</id>
	<title>Re:That's just Western prejudice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259862840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>ROFLMAO!<br> <br>
Science is not centric anything, you look at the evidence and if it do not support the claims made by the manufacturer, it's clearly bullshit.<br> <br>
Not that I had expected the result to be anything different than what it currently is. Just because something is used by a group of people for years does not mean it actually works. Ref religion, clearly a fantasy yet millions of people are dumb enough to accept it as reality without asking the most basic questions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>ROFLMAO !
Science is not centric anything , you look at the evidence and if it do not support the claims made by the manufacturer , it 's clearly bullshit .
Not that I had expected the result to be anything different than what it currently is .
Just because something is used by a group of people for years does not mean it actually works .
Ref religion , clearly a fantasy yet millions of people are dumb enough to accept it as reality without asking the most basic questions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ROFLMAO!
Science is not centric anything, you look at the evidence and if it do not support the claims made by the manufacturer, it's clearly bullshit.
Not that I had expected the result to be anything different than what it currently is.
Just because something is used by a group of people for years does not mean it actually works.
Ref religion, clearly a fantasy yet millions of people are dumb enough to accept it as reality without asking the most basic questions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597248</id>
	<title>Gimmicks...</title>
	<author>adam525</author>
	<datestamp>1259868360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>(rant on)

Some people will fall for anything.  Red Bull does nothing more for you than a plain old caffinated soda (the taurine and other "supplements" have NO effect whatsoever).  People hear things on the news, read articles in magazines, or hear through word of mouth that there's some new miracle herb or supplement that's gonna change their lives and they waste hundreds to thousands of dollars a year on crap.
<br>
Want to be healthy?  EAT RIGHT and EXERCISE.  Period.

(rant off)</htmltext>
<tokenext>( rant on ) Some people will fall for anything .
Red Bull does nothing more for you than a plain old caffinated soda ( the taurine and other " supplements " have NO effect whatsoever ) .
People hear things on the news , read articles in magazines , or hear through word of mouth that there 's some new miracle herb or supplement that 's gon na change their lives and they waste hundreds to thousands of dollars a year on crap .
Want to be healthy ?
EAT RIGHT and EXERCISE .
Period . ( rant off )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(rant on)

Some people will fall for anything.
Red Bull does nothing more for you than a plain old caffinated soda (the taurine and other "supplements" have NO effect whatsoever).
People hear things on the news, read articles in magazines, or hear through word of mouth that there's some new miracle herb or supplement that's gonna change their lives and they waste hundreds to thousands of dollars a year on crap.
Want to be healthy?
EAT RIGHT and EXERCISE.
Period.

(rant off)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595206</id>
	<title>Those Scientists!</title>
	<author>joocemann</author>
	<datestamp>1259861700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dey got wrong on a gecko, dey lie like momma say.  Dey wrong bout dat dang clamutt changin'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dey got wrong on a gecko , dey lie like momma say .
Dey wrong bout dat dang clamutt changin' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dey got wrong on a gecko, dey lie like momma say.
Dey wrong bout dat dang clamutt changin'.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596444</id>
	<title>So what does work? Any advice?</title>
	<author>Eponymous Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1259865360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So what does improve memory or cognitive skills? I've heard of rampant use of things like Adderall at universities, any personal stories? What about things like Piracetam? I remember reading about that in Mondo 2000 and always wondered if it was bunk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So what does improve memory or cognitive skills ?
I 've heard of rampant use of things like Adderall at universities , any personal stories ?
What about things like Piracetam ?
I remember reading about that in Mondo 2000 and always wondered if it was bunk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what does improve memory or cognitive skills?
I've heard of rampant use of things like Adderall at universities, any personal stories?
What about things like Piracetam?
I remember reading about that in Mondo 2000 and always wondered if it was bunk.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597076</id>
	<title>Re:Medical conspiracy!</title>
	<author>MBGMorden</author>
	<datestamp>1259867760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I concur.  They also need to make sure that they're using ALL NATURAL ginkgo.</p><p>I find it comical that the "ALL NATURAL" movement has any weight behind it when countless varieties of "all natural" plants are quite poisonous, whilst tons of completely chemically derived artificial medicines will save your life.</p><p>Heck I literally remember one stupid infomercial that was on a while back where the guy (one of those typical hyped up dorks who always appears on such shows) was proclaiming that we shouldn't eat anything that had something with a "chemical sounding name" in the ingredients list.  I wonder how they'd feel about sodium chloride or dihydrogen monoxide.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I concur .
They also need to make sure that they 're using ALL NATURAL ginkgo.I find it comical that the " ALL NATURAL " movement has any weight behind it when countless varieties of " all natural " plants are quite poisonous , whilst tons of completely chemically derived artificial medicines will save your life.Heck I literally remember one stupid infomercial that was on a while back where the guy ( one of those typical hyped up dorks who always appears on such shows ) was proclaiming that we should n't eat anything that had something with a " chemical sounding name " in the ingredients list .
I wonder how they 'd feel about sodium chloride or dihydrogen monoxide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I concur.
They also need to make sure that they're using ALL NATURAL ginkgo.I find it comical that the "ALL NATURAL" movement has any weight behind it when countless varieties of "all natural" plants are quite poisonous, whilst tons of completely chemically derived artificial medicines will save your life.Heck I literally remember one stupid infomercial that was on a while back where the guy (one of those typical hyped up dorks who always appears on such shows) was proclaiming that we shouldn't eat anything that had something with a "chemical sounding name" in the ingredients list.
I wonder how they'd feel about sodium chloride or dihydrogen monoxide.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596698</id>
	<title>regardless of its medicinal value</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259866260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the ginkgo tree itself is pretty amazing: its the coelacanth of trees</p><p>known only from the ancient fossil record, having aspects of a missing link between major plant classifications, and with no other living relatives by a long shot (at least from the perspective of western science). until isolated specimens were located, to western expert's amazed awe, in 1690. it was cultivated in the east, and this probably led to its survival, since the only populations anyone can consider wild are only in a tiny mountain reserve in eastern china... but even this group of trees might only exist because it was tended by monks for millenia, ironically for this story, probably because of medicinal value</p><p>in other words, the coelacanth of trees may only continue to exist in this world due to the efforts of ancient man, the inverse relationship between extinction and mankind. either way, if you've ever looked at a ginkgo leaf, you can readily appreciate how ancient and alien the plant is. its like a tiny fan, a completely unique morphology unlike any other leaf you have ever seen on any other plant</p><blockquote><div><p>Ginkgo (Ginkgo biloba; in Chinese and Japanese , pinyin romanization: y&#237;n x&#236;ng, Hepburn romanization: ich or ginnan), also spelled gingko, also known as the Maidenhair Tree after Adiantum, is a unique species of tree with no close living relatives. The ginkgo is classified in its own division, the Ginkgophyta, comprising the single class Ginkgoopsida, order Ginkgoales, family Ginkgoaceae, genus Ginkgo and is the only extant species within this group. It is one of the best-known examples of a living fossil, because Ginkgoales other than G. biloba are not known from the fossil record after the Pliocene.[1][3]<br>For centuries it was thought to be extinct in the wild, but is now known to grow in at least two small areas in Zhejiang province in Eastern China, in the Tian Mu Shan Reserve. However, recent studies indicate high genetic uniformity among ginkgo trees from these areas, arguing against a natural origin of these populations and suggesting that the ginkgo trees in these areas may have been planted and preserved by Chinese monks over a period of about 1000 years.[4] Whether native ginkgo populations still exist has not been demonstrated unequivocally.<br>The relationship of Ginkgo to other plant groups remains uncertain. It has been placed loosely in the divisions Spermatophyta and Pinophyta, but no consensus has been reached. Since Ginkgo seeds are not protected by an ovary wall, it can morphologically be considered a gymnosperm. The apricot-like structures produced by female ginkgo trees are technically not fruits, but are seeds that have a shell that consists of a soft and fleshy section (the sarcotesta), and a hard section (the sclerotesta).</p></div></blockquote><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginkgo\_biloba" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginkgo\_biloba</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></div>
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<tokenext>the ginkgo tree itself is pretty amazing : its the coelacanth of treesknown only from the ancient fossil record , having aspects of a missing link between major plant classifications , and with no other living relatives by a long shot ( at least from the perspective of western science ) .
until isolated specimens were located , to western expert 's amazed awe , in 1690. it was cultivated in the east , and this probably led to its survival , since the only populations anyone can consider wild are only in a tiny mountain reserve in eastern china... but even this group of trees might only exist because it was tended by monks for millenia , ironically for this story , probably because of medicinal valuein other words , the coelacanth of trees may only continue to exist in this world due to the efforts of ancient man , the inverse relationship between extinction and mankind .
either way , if you 've ever looked at a ginkgo leaf , you can readily appreciate how ancient and alien the plant is .
its like a tiny fan , a completely unique morphology unlike any other leaf you have ever seen on any other plantGinkgo ( Ginkgo biloba ; in Chinese and Japanese , pinyin romanization : y   n x   ng , Hepburn romanization : ich or ginnan ) , also spelled gingko , also known as the Maidenhair Tree after Adiantum , is a unique species of tree with no close living relatives .
The ginkgo is classified in its own division , the Ginkgophyta , comprising the single class Ginkgoopsida , order Ginkgoales , family Ginkgoaceae , genus Ginkgo and is the only extant species within this group .
It is one of the best-known examples of a living fossil , because Ginkgoales other than G. biloba are not known from the fossil record after the Pliocene .
[ 1 ] [ 3 ] For centuries it was thought to be extinct in the wild , but is now known to grow in at least two small areas in Zhejiang province in Eastern China , in the Tian Mu Shan Reserve .
However , recent studies indicate high genetic uniformity among ginkgo trees from these areas , arguing against a natural origin of these populations and suggesting that the ginkgo trees in these areas may have been planted and preserved by Chinese monks over a period of about 1000 years .
[ 4 ] Whether native ginkgo populations still exist has not been demonstrated unequivocally.The relationship of Ginkgo to other plant groups remains uncertain .
It has been placed loosely in the divisions Spermatophyta and Pinophyta , but no consensus has been reached .
Since Ginkgo seeds are not protected by an ovary wall , it can morphologically be considered a gymnosperm .
The apricot-like structures produced by female ginkgo trees are technically not fruits , but are seeds that have a shell that consists of a soft and fleshy section ( the sarcotesta ) , and a hard section ( the sclerotesta ) .http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginkgo \ _biloba [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the ginkgo tree itself is pretty amazing: its the coelacanth of treesknown only from the ancient fossil record, having aspects of a missing link between major plant classifications, and with no other living relatives by a long shot (at least from the perspective of western science).
until isolated specimens were located, to western expert's amazed awe, in 1690. it was cultivated in the east, and this probably led to its survival, since the only populations anyone can consider wild are only in a tiny mountain reserve in eastern china... but even this group of trees might only exist because it was tended by monks for millenia, ironically for this story, probably because of medicinal valuein other words, the coelacanth of trees may only continue to exist in this world due to the efforts of ancient man, the inverse relationship between extinction and mankind.
either way, if you've ever looked at a ginkgo leaf, you can readily appreciate how ancient and alien the plant is.
its like a tiny fan, a completely unique morphology unlike any other leaf you have ever seen on any other plantGinkgo (Ginkgo biloba; in Chinese and Japanese , pinyin romanization: yín xìng, Hepburn romanization: ich or ginnan), also spelled gingko, also known as the Maidenhair Tree after Adiantum, is a unique species of tree with no close living relatives.
The ginkgo is classified in its own division, the Ginkgophyta, comprising the single class Ginkgoopsida, order Ginkgoales, family Ginkgoaceae, genus Ginkgo and is the only extant species within this group.
It is one of the best-known examples of a living fossil, because Ginkgoales other than G. biloba are not known from the fossil record after the Pliocene.
[1][3]For centuries it was thought to be extinct in the wild, but is now known to grow in at least two small areas in Zhejiang province in Eastern China, in the Tian Mu Shan Reserve.
However, recent studies indicate high genetic uniformity among ginkgo trees from these areas, arguing against a natural origin of these populations and suggesting that the ginkgo trees in these areas may have been planted and preserved by Chinese monks over a period of about 1000 years.
[4] Whether native ginkgo populations still exist has not been demonstrated unequivocally.The relationship of Ginkgo to other plant groups remains uncertain.
It has been placed loosely in the divisions Spermatophyta and Pinophyta, but no consensus has been reached.
Since Ginkgo seeds are not protected by an ovary wall, it can morphologically be considered a gymnosperm.
The apricot-like structures produced by female ginkgo trees are technically not fruits, but are seeds that have a shell that consists of a soft and fleshy section (the sarcotesta), and a hard section (the sclerotesta).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginkgo\_biloba [wikipedia.org]
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597154</id>
	<title>Re:So what exactly then...</title>
	<author>grolaw</author>
	<datestamp>1259868000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the infamous walletectomy - a capital depreciation device - parting fools from their money - earning income from grants to perform double-blind, placebo-controlled experiments.  All proven things that ginkgo biloba is good for...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the infamous walletectomy - a capital depreciation device - parting fools from their money - earning income from grants to perform double-blind , placebo-controlled experiments .
All proven things that ginkgo biloba is good for.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the infamous walletectomy - a capital depreciation device - parting fools from their money - earning income from grants to perform double-blind, placebo-controlled experiments.
All proven things that ginkgo biloba is good for...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597178</id>
	<title>Re:Actually works to their advantage</title>
	<author>superdana</author>
	<datestamp>1259868060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>St. John's Wort has been proven as effective at treating depression as Paxil.</i> <br>
<br>
Measurements of depression are based almost exclusively on self-reporting. A simple comparison between the "effectiveness" of St. John's Wort and Paxil--in which an "effect" is just a positive change in self-reported measures--can't account for a belief effect. It's not enough to do double-blind; you also have to find out whether each of the subjects <em>thinks</em> they've been given the substance you're testing, and include that data in your statistical analysis.</htmltext>
<tokenext>St. John 's Wort has been proven as effective at treating depression as Paxil .
Measurements of depression are based almost exclusively on self-reporting .
A simple comparison between the " effectiveness " of St. John 's Wort and Paxil--in which an " effect " is just a positive change in self-reported measures--ca n't account for a belief effect .
It 's not enough to do double-blind ; you also have to find out whether each of the subjects thinks they 've been given the substance you 're testing , and include that data in your statistical analysis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>St. John's Wort has been proven as effective at treating depression as Paxil.
Measurements of depression are based almost exclusively on self-reporting.
A simple comparison between the "effectiveness" of St. John's Wort and Paxil--in which an "effect" is just a positive change in self-reported measures--can't account for a belief effect.
It's not enough to do double-blind; you also have to find out whether each of the subjects thinks they've been given the substance you're testing, and include that data in your statistical analysis.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595374</id>
	<title>But surely...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259862120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...at least it increases the size of your penis, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...at least it increases the size of your penis , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...at least it increases the size of your penis, right?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597762</id>
	<title>Re:So what exactly then...</title>
	<author>schon</author>
	<datestamp>1259870460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Ginkgo Balboa is clinically proven to improve your boxing skills.</p></div><p>And Ginkgo <i>Bilboa is clinically proven to improve your storytelling skills to other hobbits.</i></p></div>
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<tokenext>Ginkgo Balboa is clinically proven to improve your boxing skills.And Ginkgo Bilboa is clinically proven to improve your storytelling skills to other hobbits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ginkgo Balboa is clinically proven to improve your boxing skills.And Ginkgo Bilboa is clinically proven to improve your storytelling skills to other hobbits.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596022</id>
	<title>Wow thats some detailed study.</title>
	<author>yourassOA</author>
	<datestamp>1259864100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do they use these same methods for testing prescription drugs? I think not. Also FTFA "The study used the standardized ginkgo extract from Schwabe Pharmaceuticals that is regulated and sold as a medication in Germany." He didn't test the plant just gave some people a pill put out by a pharma company. <i> Here let me explain vitamin C if you buy it from a pharma company they say you need 150 mg per day where a non pharma company will recommend 500 to 1000 mg, also the pharma version is asorbic acid while non pharma is usually a plant extract that contains so much asorbic acid when digested. Vitamin C as in asorbic acid sold a chewable tabs destroys your teeth</i> <br> Also he is testing old people who may or may not have memory problems noone said ginko would cure alzimers. The ginkgo biloba dosage is very important, because in low doses it may not be effective, while in high doses it may produce side effects.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do they use these same methods for testing prescription drugs ?
I think not .
Also FTFA " The study used the standardized ginkgo extract from Schwabe Pharmaceuticals that is regulated and sold as a medication in Germany .
" He did n't test the plant just gave some people a pill put out by a pharma company .
Here let me explain vitamin C if you buy it from a pharma company they say you need 150 mg per day where a non pharma company will recommend 500 to 1000 mg , also the pharma version is asorbic acid while non pharma is usually a plant extract that contains so much asorbic acid when digested .
Vitamin C as in asorbic acid sold a chewable tabs destroys your teeth Also he is testing old people who may or may not have memory problems noone said ginko would cure alzimers .
The ginkgo biloba dosage is very important , because in low doses it may not be effective , while in high doses it may produce side effects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do they use these same methods for testing prescription drugs?
I think not.
Also FTFA "The study used the standardized ginkgo extract from Schwabe Pharmaceuticals that is regulated and sold as a medication in Germany.
" He didn't test the plant just gave some people a pill put out by a pharma company.
Here let me explain vitamin C if you buy it from a pharma company they say you need 150 mg per day where a non pharma company will recommend 500 to 1000 mg, also the pharma version is asorbic acid while non pharma is usually a plant extract that contains so much asorbic acid when digested.
Vitamin C as in asorbic acid sold a chewable tabs destroys your teeth  Also he is testing old people who may or may not have memory problems noone said ginko would cure alzimers.
The ginkgo biloba dosage is very important, because in low doses it may not be effective, while in high doses it may produce side effects.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595922</id>
	<title>Focusin!</title>
	<author>snspdaarf</author>
	<datestamp>1259863800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Bart never took ginkgo biloba for a <i>reason</i>!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bart never took ginkgo biloba for a reason !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bart never took ginkgo biloba for a reason!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595602</id>
	<title>What about in populations younger than 72?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259862780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I seriously doubt that it would improve memory function in younger people if it fails to help the elderly, but are there any studies that involve comparatively younger populations?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I seriously doubt that it would improve memory function in younger people if it fails to help the elderly , but are there any studies that involve comparatively younger populations ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I seriously doubt that it would improve memory function in younger people if it fails to help the elderly, but are there any studies that involve comparatively younger populations?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597340</id>
	<title>Re:Actually works to their advantage</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259868780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, because it is hard to make big bucks selling a product anyone with a garden and a basement chemistry set can go into competition with you unlike patent medicine Paxil. Drug companies are not going to waste money taking Doctors out to for free golf games to sell them some extract any pharmacy could produce, which is something drug company marketing departments are actually doing with many patent medications in-order to beat out cheaper generics which may even be more effect/safer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , because it is hard to make big bucks selling a product anyone with a garden and a basement chemistry set can go into competition with you unlike patent medicine Paxil .
Drug companies are not going to waste money taking Doctors out to for free golf games to sell them some extract any pharmacy could produce , which is something drug company marketing departments are actually doing with many patent medications in-order to beat out cheaper generics which may even be more effect/safer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, because it is hard to make big bucks selling a product anyone with a garden and a basement chemistry set can go into competition with you unlike patent medicine Paxil.
Drug companies are not going to waste money taking Doctors out to for free golf games to sell them some extract any pharmacy could produce, which is something drug company marketing departments are actually doing with many patent medications in-order to beat out cheaper generics which may even be more effect/safer.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:That's just Western prejudice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259847840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>Yup, right up there with leeching and medicinal tapeworms. Those aren't "eastern", but they were used for years too. Got a headache? We'll drill a gaping, untreated hole in your head to release the "bad spirits"! Thats African, not "eastern", but do you think it's not effective? You must clearly be racist and sexist as well.</i></p><p>Trepanation has been used in many cultures, including European, African, and Native American cultures, and has been clinically shown to improve some kinds of epileptic seizures.  It is still being performed clinically.  Even in the West.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup , right up there with leeching and medicinal tapeworms .
Those are n't " eastern " , but they were used for years too .
Got a headache ?
We 'll drill a gaping , untreated hole in your head to release the " bad spirits " !
Thats African , not " eastern " , but do you think it 's not effective ?
You must clearly be racist and sexist as well.Trepanation has been used in many cultures , including European , African , and Native American cultures , and has been clinically shown to improve some kinds of epileptic seizures .
It is still being performed clinically .
Even in the West .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup, right up there with leeching and medicinal tapeworms.
Those aren't "eastern", but they were used for years too.
Got a headache?
We'll drill a gaping, untreated hole in your head to release the "bad spirits"!
Thats African, not "eastern", but do you think it's not effective?
You must clearly be racist and sexist as well.Trepanation has been used in many cultures, including European, African, and Native American cultures, and has been clinically shown to improve some kinds of epileptic seizures.
It is still being performed clinically.
Even in the West.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30599402</id>
	<title>Re:120 milligrams isn't enough for any effect</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259834040000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I don't get it, what's in those pills then? Isn't it just an extract of the plant? Isn't an extract just like concentrated "stuff" that was in the plant? You can basically concentrate anything you want to whatever levels you want, right? And why do you see no effect (relative to placebo) with 120mg? Is there some threshold value for this stuff? My body doesn't typically have binary responses to things; in fact, I bet if I conducted your proposed study and smoked 120mg of marijuana, disregarding the fact that nobody has processed it and made it into a pill (which I guess doesn't concentrate it? Is that what you were saying?), it would have a measurable physiological effect.</p><p>And in any event, manufacturers produce pills in a range of dosages*, but a quick googling reveals none over 120mg/pill, with most at 60mg/pill and a few at 30mg/pill. The instructions don't say "You need to gobble up 5-20 of these to see an effect," do they?</p><p>*Source: http://www.google.com/products?oe=UTF-8&amp;sourceid=navclient&amp;gfns=1&amp;q=ginkgo\%20biloba\%20supplement\%20ingredients&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;sa=N&amp;hl=en&amp;tab=wf</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't get it , what 's in those pills then ?
Is n't it just an extract of the plant ?
Is n't an extract just like concentrated " stuff " that was in the plant ?
You can basically concentrate anything you want to whatever levels you want , right ?
And why do you see no effect ( relative to placebo ) with 120mg ?
Is there some threshold value for this stuff ?
My body does n't typically have binary responses to things ; in fact , I bet if I conducted your proposed study and smoked 120mg of marijuana , disregarding the fact that nobody has processed it and made it into a pill ( which I guess does n't concentrate it ?
Is that what you were saying ?
) , it would have a measurable physiological effect.And in any event , manufacturers produce pills in a range of dosages * , but a quick googling reveals none over 120mg/pill , with most at 60mg/pill and a few at 30mg/pill .
The instructions do n't say " You need to gobble up 5-20 of these to see an effect , " do they ?
* Source : http : //www.google.com/products ? oe = UTF-8&amp;sourceid = navclient&amp;gfns = 1&amp;q = ginkgo \ % 20biloba \ % 20supplement \ % 20ingredients&amp;um = 1&amp;ie = UTF-8&amp;sa = N&amp;hl = en&amp;tab = wf</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't get it, what's in those pills then?
Isn't it just an extract of the plant?
Isn't an extract just like concentrated "stuff" that was in the plant?
You can basically concentrate anything you want to whatever levels you want, right?
And why do you see no effect (relative to placebo) with 120mg?
Is there some threshold value for this stuff?
My body doesn't typically have binary responses to things; in fact, I bet if I conducted your proposed study and smoked 120mg of marijuana, disregarding the fact that nobody has processed it and made it into a pill (which I guess doesn't concentrate it?
Is that what you were saying?
), it would have a measurable physiological effect.And in any event, manufacturers produce pills in a range of dosages*, but a quick googling reveals none over 120mg/pill, with most at 60mg/pill and a few at 30mg/pill.
The instructions don't say "You need to gobble up 5-20 of these to see an effect," do they?
*Source: http://www.google.com/products?oe=UTF-8&amp;sourceid=navclient&amp;gfns=1&amp;q=ginkgo\%20biloba\%20supplement\%20ingredients&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;sa=N&amp;hl=en&amp;tab=wf</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30598262</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise because of the dosage</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259872260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As somebody else above has said, plant extracts are not a concentrated source of anything. Which means you're probably better off comparing the effects of 120mg of freshly squeezed orange juice on scurvy than 100mg of vitamin C.</p><p>No doubt, you are correct. Very small dosages of certain vitamins and minerals can affect the body greatly. But very small dosages of naturally-occurring, unpurified, untreated, otherwise minimally processed things probably don't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As somebody else above has said , plant extracts are not a concentrated source of anything .
Which means you 're probably better off comparing the effects of 120mg of freshly squeezed orange juice on scurvy than 100mg of vitamin C.No doubt , you are correct .
Very small dosages of certain vitamins and minerals can affect the body greatly .
But very small dosages of naturally-occurring , unpurified , untreated , otherwise minimally processed things probably do n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As somebody else above has said, plant extracts are not a concentrated source of anything.
Which means you're probably better off comparing the effects of 120mg of freshly squeezed orange juice on scurvy than 100mg of vitamin C.No doubt, you are correct.
Very small dosages of certain vitamins and minerals can affect the body greatly.
But very small dosages of naturally-occurring, unpurified, untreated, otherwise minimally processed things probably don't.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597364</id>
	<title>Re:Actually works to their advantage</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1259868840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I bet the herbal supplements industry is hoping its customers will forget all about this report eventually...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div><p> Most of them would care less. It is "organic" after all, just like hemlock. Anything organic, or herbal, just has to be good for you. Look at how many people buy homeopathic medicines, and don't know what that really means. Therapeutic touch has been disproved numerous times, yet still has a huge following. People will believe in faries if it is on a pretty enough label.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I bet the herbal supplements industry is hoping its customers will forget all about this report eventually... : ) Most of them would care less .
It is " organic " after all , just like hemlock .
Anything organic , or herbal , just has to be good for you .
Look at how many people buy homeopathic medicines , and do n't know what that really means .
Therapeutic touch has been disproved numerous times , yet still has a huge following .
People will believe in faries if it is on a pretty enough label .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet the herbal supplements industry is hoping its customers will forget all about this report eventually... :) Most of them would care less.
It is "organic" after all, just like hemlock.
Anything organic, or herbal, just has to be good for you.
Look at how many people buy homeopathic medicines, and don't know what that really means.
Therapeutic touch has been disproved numerous times, yet still has a huge following.
People will believe in faries if it is on a pretty enough label.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30599426</id>
	<title>The missing step!</title>
	<author>Krishnoid</author>
	<datestamp>1259834160000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Finally, Eastern medical and spiritual traditions provide the solution to a long-standing problem in modern computational theory:

<ol>
<li> Package alternative medical product.</li>
<li> <strong> Add "Gingko Biloba" to the labels of alternative medical products</strong></li>
<li> Products fly off the shelves in exchange for cash</li>
<li> Profit!</li>
</ol></htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally , Eastern medical and spiritual traditions provide the solution to a long-standing problem in modern computational theory : Package alternative medical product .
Add " Gingko Biloba " to the labels of alternative medical products Products fly off the shelves in exchange for cash Profit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally, Eastern medical and spiritual traditions provide the solution to a long-standing problem in modern computational theory:


 Package alternative medical product.
Add "Gingko Biloba" to the labels of alternative medical products
 Products fly off the shelves in exchange for cash
 Profit!
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	<title>Re:Ginko has a different effect on me</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1259866980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny, exercise just makes me tired and sweaty and desirous of laying down (though, to be fair, a good morning bike ride before work does wonders for my energy level in the morning (though does little for the afternoon battle against involuntary nap time)).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny , exercise just makes me tired and sweaty and desirous of laying down ( though , to be fair , a good morning bike ride before work does wonders for my energy level in the morning ( though does little for the afternoon battle against involuntary nap time ) ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny, exercise just makes me tired and sweaty and desirous of laying down (though, to be fair, a good morning bike ride before work does wonders for my energy level in the morning (though does little for the afternoon battle against involuntary nap time)).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595240</id>
	<title>So what exactly then...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259861760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...is ginkgo biloba good for?</htmltext>
<tokenext>...is ginkgo biloba good for ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...is ginkgo biloba good for?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595544</id>
	<title>Re:So what exactly then...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259862660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Making money.  Lots of stuff is sold because it can do "All Sorts of Wonder-full Stuff(tm): Fight aging, teach children math, make you more attractive, shed that belly fat, and make you spll gud," But all it dose is make some one some money for selling it.  <p>I have found that once I learned how marketing worked it that knowledge was like an inoculation against sales tactics.  Spotting the over inflated clams of salesmen, and of the using public, makes it much simpler to avoid stupid trends like "OMG Ginkgo makes you SMART!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Making money .
Lots of stuff is sold because it can do " All Sorts of Wonder-full Stuff ( tm ) : Fight aging , teach children math , make you more attractive , shed that belly fat , and make you spll gud , " But all it dose is make some one some money for selling it .
I have found that once I learned how marketing worked it that knowledge was like an inoculation against sales tactics .
Spotting the over inflated clams of salesmen , and of the using public , makes it much simpler to avoid stupid trends like " OMG Ginkgo makes you SMART !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Making money.
Lots of stuff is sold because it can do "All Sorts of Wonder-full Stuff(tm): Fight aging, teach children math, make you more attractive, shed that belly fat, and make you spll gud," But all it dose is make some one some money for selling it.
I have found that once I learned how marketing worked it that knowledge was like an inoculation against sales tactics.
Spotting the over inflated clams of salesmen, and of the using public, makes it much simpler to avoid stupid trends like "OMG Ginkgo makes you SMART!
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597408</id>
	<title>Re:That's just Western prejudice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259869020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Dare I say whoosh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dare I say whoosh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dare I say whoosh?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596320</id>
	<title>Re:Actually works to their advantage</title>
	<author>smidget2k4</author>
	<datestamp>1259864940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>It is effective at treating light to light-moderate cases of depression.  It has been shown no better than placebo for more severe cases.  Plus, it has the added bonus of being impossible to know exactly how much of the drug you are taking, as concentrations will vary wildly by plant/time of year/soil.
<br> <br>Source: <a href="http://nccam.nih.gov/health/stjohnswort/ataglance.htm" title="nih.gov">NIH/NCCAM</a> [nih.gov]</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is effective at treating light to light-moderate cases of depression .
It has been shown no better than placebo for more severe cases .
Plus , it has the added bonus of being impossible to know exactly how much of the drug you are taking , as concentrations will vary wildly by plant/time of year/soil .
Source : NIH/NCCAM [ nih.gov ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is effective at treating light to light-moderate cases of depression.
It has been shown no better than placebo for more severe cases.
Plus, it has the added bonus of being impossible to know exactly how much of the drug you are taking, as concentrations will vary wildly by plant/time of year/soil.
Source: NIH/NCCAM [nih.gov]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595644</id>
	<title>But nothing's more powerfull than:</title>
	<author>dschnur</author>
	<datestamp>1259862900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>"Well, I have a friend who heard from a really smart person/person on the Internet(s) that when he took it he was finally able to almost pass his GED."</p><p>Ok, brevity aside, wikipedia "Placebo Effect" and you will see that suggestion can be a cure in it's self.</p><p>Viral marketing gone bad?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Well , I have a friend who heard from a really smart person/person on the Internet ( s ) that when he took it he was finally able to almost pass his GED .
" Ok , brevity aside , wikipedia " Placebo Effect " and you will see that suggestion can be a cure in it 's self.Viral marketing gone bad ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Well, I have a friend who heard from a really smart person/person on the Internet(s) that when he took it he was finally able to almost pass his GED.
"Ok, brevity aside, wikipedia "Placebo Effect" and you will see that suggestion can be a cure in it's self.Viral marketing gone bad?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30598808</id>
	<title>Re:Untested drug found useless... wonders never ce</title>
	<author>psithurism</author>
	<datestamp>1259831280000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>What do you mean hopefully herbal Viagra is next? Where have you been for the entire history of human kind. Oysters, bananas, rhino horn, chocolate, dragon bones, authentic mummy flesh, figs, cow's testicles, elk antlers, acai berries...I'm tired of typing, but the point is I can name a dozen natural alternatives to Viagra off the top of my head that have caused unsolicited advertisement since forever. Currently, I already receive the spam you're hoping for from at least the acai peddlers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What do you mean hopefully herbal Viagra is next ?
Where have you been for the entire history of human kind .
Oysters , bananas , rhino horn , chocolate , dragon bones , authentic mummy flesh , figs , cow 's testicles , elk antlers , acai berries...I 'm tired of typing , but the point is I can name a dozen natural alternatives to Viagra off the top of my head that have caused unsolicited advertisement since forever .
Currently , I already receive the spam you 're hoping for from at least the acai peddlers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What do you mean hopefully herbal Viagra is next?
Where have you been for the entire history of human kind.
Oysters, bananas, rhino horn, chocolate, dragon bones, authentic mummy flesh, figs, cow's testicles, elk antlers, acai berries...I'm tired of typing, but the point is I can name a dozen natural alternatives to Viagra off the top of my head that have caused unsolicited advertisement since forever.
Currently, I already receive the spam you're hoping for from at least the acai peddlers.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:So what exactly then...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259863440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...is ginkgo biloba good for?</p></div><p>Well, according to Wikipedia:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Out of the many conflicting research results, Ginkgo extract may have three effects on the human body: improvement in blood flow (including microcirculation in small capillaries) to most tissues and organs; protection against oxidative cell damage from free radicals; and blockage of many of the effects of platelet-activating factor (platelet aggregation, blood clotting) that have been related to the development of a number of cardiovascular, renal, respiratory and central nervous system disorders. Ginkgo can be used for intermittent claudication.</p><p>Some studies suggest a link between ginkgo and the easing of the symptoms of tinnitus.</p><p>Preliminary studies suggest that Ginkgo may be of benefit in multiple sclerosis, showing modest improvements in cognition and fatigue without increasing rates of serious adverse events in this population.</p><p>A study conducted in 2003 by the Department of Dermatology, Postgraduate Institute of Medical Education and Research in Chandigarh, India concluded that Ginkgo is an effective treatment for arresting the development of vitiligo.</p></div><p>Sources:</p><ul> <li> <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1016\%2F0378-8741(96)01379-7" title="doi.org" rel="nofollow">http://dx.doi.org/10.1016\%2F0378-8741\%2896\%2901379-7</a> [doi.org] </li><li> <a href="http://www.bixby.org/faq/tinnitus/treatmnt.html#gingko" title="bixby.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.bixby.org/faq/tinnitus/treatmnt.html#gingko</a> [bixby.org] </li><li> <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1177\%2F1352458506071213" title="doi.org" rel="nofollow">http://dx.doi.org/10.1177\%2F1352458506071213</a> [doi.org] </li><li> <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1046\%2Fj.1365-2230.2003.01207.x" title="doi.org" rel="nofollow">http://dx.doi.org/10.1046\%2Fj.1365-2230.2003.01207.x</a> [doi.org] </li></ul></div>
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<tokenext>...is ginkgo biloba good for ? Well , according to Wikipedia : Out of the many conflicting research results , Ginkgo extract may have three effects on the human body : improvement in blood flow ( including microcirculation in small capillaries ) to most tissues and organs ; protection against oxidative cell damage from free radicals ; and blockage of many of the effects of platelet-activating factor ( platelet aggregation , blood clotting ) that have been related to the development of a number of cardiovascular , renal , respiratory and central nervous system disorders .
Ginkgo can be used for intermittent claudication.Some studies suggest a link between ginkgo and the easing of the symptoms of tinnitus.Preliminary studies suggest that Ginkgo may be of benefit in multiple sclerosis , showing modest improvements in cognition and fatigue without increasing rates of serious adverse events in this population.A study conducted in 2003 by the Department of Dermatology , Postgraduate Institute of Medical Education and Research in Chandigarh , India concluded that Ginkgo is an effective treatment for arresting the development of vitiligo.Sources : http : //dx.doi.org/10.1016 \ % 2F0378-8741 \ % 2896 \ % 2901379-7 [ doi.org ] http : //www.bixby.org/faq/tinnitus/treatmnt.html # gingko [ bixby.org ] http : //dx.doi.org/10.1177 \ % 2F1352458506071213 [ doi.org ] http : //dx.doi.org/10.1046 \ % 2Fj.1365-2230.2003.01207.x [ doi.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...is ginkgo biloba good for?Well, according to Wikipedia:Out of the many conflicting research results, Ginkgo extract may have three effects on the human body: improvement in blood flow (including microcirculation in small capillaries) to most tissues and organs; protection against oxidative cell damage from free radicals; and blockage of many of the effects of platelet-activating factor (platelet aggregation, blood clotting) that have been related to the development of a number of cardiovascular, renal, respiratory and central nervous system disorders.
Ginkgo can be used for intermittent claudication.Some studies suggest a link between ginkgo and the easing of the symptoms of tinnitus.Preliminary studies suggest that Ginkgo may be of benefit in multiple sclerosis, showing modest improvements in cognition and fatigue without increasing rates of serious adverse events in this population.A study conducted in 2003 by the Department of Dermatology, Postgraduate Institute of Medical Education and Research in Chandigarh, India concluded that Ginkgo is an effective treatment for arresting the development of vitiligo.Sources:  http://dx.doi.org/10.1016\%2F0378-8741\%2896\%2901379-7 [doi.org]  http://www.bixby.org/faq/tinnitus/treatmnt.html#gingko [bixby.org]  http://dx.doi.org/10.1177\%2F1352458506071213 [doi.org]  http://dx.doi.org/10.1046\%2Fj.1365-2230.2003.01207.x [doi.org] 
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	<title>Wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259865060000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>...what are we talking about?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...what are we talking about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...what are we talking about?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Supplements industry group replies with BS</title>
	<author>radtea</author>
	<datestamp>1259869740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I love the bullshit reply from the supplements industry group</i></p><p>Translation:  "Science says it has no effect, but MAGIC says that it does! Which one are you going to believe?"</p><p>I find it more tempting every day to give up on science and sell lies to stupid people.  It's so much easier and more profitable.  No FDA oversight, no warranties, no consequences.  There are whole industries based on this full of extremely lucrative positions for anyone who possess and brain and lacks a conscience.  Financial advisor.  Inspirational speaker.  Various kinds of "alternative" medical practitioner.  Far easier to do those things than try to build a business around something that actually works to improve people's lives.</p><p>Of course, if Norman Borlaug had done that the world would be missing a billion-odd people with billions more living in even greater misery than they do now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love the bullshit reply from the supplements industry groupTranslation : " Science says it has no effect , but MAGIC says that it does !
Which one are you going to believe ?
" I find it more tempting every day to give up on science and sell lies to stupid people .
It 's so much easier and more profitable .
No FDA oversight , no warranties , no consequences .
There are whole industries based on this full of extremely lucrative positions for anyone who possess and brain and lacks a conscience .
Financial advisor .
Inspirational speaker .
Various kinds of " alternative " medical practitioner .
Far easier to do those things than try to build a business around something that actually works to improve people 's lives.Of course , if Norman Borlaug had done that the world would be missing a billion-odd people with billions more living in even greater misery than they do now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love the bullshit reply from the supplements industry groupTranslation:  "Science says it has no effect, but MAGIC says that it does!
Which one are you going to believe?
"I find it more tempting every day to give up on science and sell lies to stupid people.
It's so much easier and more profitable.
No FDA oversight, no warranties, no consequences.
There are whole industries based on this full of extremely lucrative positions for anyone who possess and brain and lacks a conscience.
Financial advisor.
Inspirational speaker.
Various kinds of "alternative" medical practitioner.
Far easier to do those things than try to build a business around something that actually works to improve people's lives.Of course, if Norman Borlaug had done that the world would be missing a billion-odd people with billions more living in even greater misery than they do now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596330</id>
	<title>Competing interests</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259865000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Dr DeKosky reports receiving grants or research support from Elan, Myriad, Neurochem, and GlaxoSmithKline and serving on the advisory boards of or consulting for AstraZeneca, Abbott, Baxter, Daichi, Eisai, Forest, Genentech, GlaxoSmithKline, Lilly, Medivation, Merck, NeuroPharma, Neuroptix, Pfizer, Myriad, and Servier.</p></div><p>Conflict of interest much?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dr DeKosky reports receiving grants or research support from Elan , Myriad , Neurochem , and GlaxoSmithKline and serving on the advisory boards of or consulting for AstraZeneca , Abbott , Baxter , Daichi , Eisai , Forest , Genentech , GlaxoSmithKline , Lilly , Medivation , Merck , NeuroPharma , Neuroptix , Pfizer , Myriad , and Servier.Conflict of interest much ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Dr DeKosky reports receiving grants or research support from Elan, Myriad, Neurochem, and GlaxoSmithKline and serving on the advisory boards of or consulting for AstraZeneca, Abbott, Baxter, Daichi, Eisai, Forest, Genentech, GlaxoSmithKline, Lilly, Medivation, Merck, NeuroPharma, Neuroptix, Pfizer, Myriad, and Servier.Conflict of interest much?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596186</id>
	<title>Re:Untested drug found useless... wonders never ce</title>
	<author>kesuki</author>
	<datestamp>1259864580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Hopefully herbal viagra is next, and some day spammers will be emailing about things people actually can use..."</p><p>that is like waiting for the world to change, spammers have plenty or subjects, porn, money scams, pyramid scams, i could go on, but it's better if i don't. charging for email would solve the scam problems by at least 75\%</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Hopefully herbal viagra is next , and some day spammers will be emailing about things people actually can use... " that is like waiting for the world to change , spammers have plenty or subjects , porn , money scams , pyramid scams , i could go on , but it 's better if i do n't .
charging for email would solve the scam problems by at least 75 \ %</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Hopefully herbal viagra is next, and some day spammers will be emailing about things people actually can use..."that is like waiting for the world to change, spammers have plenty or subjects, porn, money scams, pyramid scams, i could go on, but it's better if i don't.
charging for email would solve the scam problems by at least 75\%</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30599086</id>
	<title>Re:Ginko has a different effect on me</title>
	<author>rantingkitten</author>
	<datestamp>1259832660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Works On My Machine!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Works On My Machine !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Works On My Machine!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597504</id>
	<title>120 milligrams isn't enough for any effect</title>
	<author>foniksonik</author>
	<datestamp>1259869440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Herbal supplement's are not concentrated like pharmaceuticals are.... 120 mg a day won't get you anything. Take 120 mg a day of most herbs that have active drug compounds and you're likely to get no more than a trace of that drug, whereas pharmaceuticals take the active compound and synthesize it - then give you 120 mg of the concentrated compound.</p><p>As a laugh, you could take 120 mg of marijuana - even good stuff... and smoke it. That's maybe 1/4 of a joint (you'd get about 2 joints out of a gram of weed if you were conservative). How high are you going to get on 1/4 of a joint? Not very... and THC is a fairly potent compound. Gingko is not nearly as potent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Herbal supplement 's are not concentrated like pharmaceuticals are.... 120 mg a day wo n't get you anything .
Take 120 mg a day of most herbs that have active drug compounds and you 're likely to get no more than a trace of that drug , whereas pharmaceuticals take the active compound and synthesize it - then give you 120 mg of the concentrated compound.As a laugh , you could take 120 mg of marijuana - even good stuff... and smoke it .
That 's maybe 1/4 of a joint ( you 'd get about 2 joints out of a gram of weed if you were conservative ) .
How high are you going to get on 1/4 of a joint ?
Not very... and THC is a fairly potent compound .
Gingko is not nearly as potent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Herbal supplement's are not concentrated like pharmaceuticals are.... 120 mg a day won't get you anything.
Take 120 mg a day of most herbs that have active drug compounds and you're likely to get no more than a trace of that drug, whereas pharmaceuticals take the active compound and synthesize it - then give you 120 mg of the concentrated compound.As a laugh, you could take 120 mg of marijuana - even good stuff... and smoke it.
That's maybe 1/4 of a joint (you'd get about 2 joints out of a gram of weed if you were conservative).
How high are you going to get on 1/4 of a joint?
Not very... and THC is a fairly potent compound.
Gingko is not nearly as potent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30598748</id>
	<title>Re:That's just Western prejudice</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1259831040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except that Gingko wasn't used for cognitive enhancement in traditional Chinese medicine.  It was used to treat respiratory ailments.</p><p>Most of the herbal potions sold in drugstores are just as questionable from TCM standpoint as they are from a scientific one, for example "ginseng" preparations spiked with *ma huang*, whose active ingredients are ephedrine and pseudoephedrine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that Gingko was n't used for cognitive enhancement in traditional Chinese medicine .
It was used to treat respiratory ailments.Most of the herbal potions sold in drugstores are just as questionable from TCM standpoint as they are from a scientific one , for example " ginseng " preparations spiked with * ma huang * , whose active ingredients are ephedrine and pseudoephedrine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that Gingko wasn't used for cognitive enhancement in traditional Chinese medicine.
It was used to treat respiratory ailments.Most of the herbal potions sold in drugstores are just as questionable from TCM standpoint as they are from a scientific one, for example "ginseng" preparations spiked with *ma huang*, whose active ingredients are ephedrine and pseudoephedrine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596866</id>
	<title>Re:Medical conspiracy!</title>
	<author>gtall</author>
	<datestamp>1259866920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ORGANIC Kinkgo supports odd and unusual sexual positions, usually requiring various pieces of external mechanical assemblages. However, if you use the inorganic kind, then you might be required to supply batteries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ORGANIC Kinkgo supports odd and unusual sexual positions , usually requiring various pieces of external mechanical assemblages .
However , if you use the inorganic kind , then you might be required to supply batteries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ORGANIC Kinkgo supports odd and unusual sexual positions, usually requiring various pieces of external mechanical assemblages.
However, if you use the inorganic kind, then you might be required to supply batteries.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596138</id>
	<title>Re:Ginko has a different effect on me</title>
	<author>Aladrin</author>
	<datestamp>1259864460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's true, but it's harder to get motivated enough to exercise.  It's fairly easy to get motivated enough to take a pill.</p><p>Maybe he should take the pill to get motivated to exercise...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's true , but it 's harder to get motivated enough to exercise .
It 's fairly easy to get motivated enough to take a pill.Maybe he should take the pill to get motivated to exercise.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's true, but it's harder to get motivated enough to exercise.
It's fairly easy to get motivated enough to take a pill.Maybe he should take the pill to get motivated to exercise...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30600808</id>
	<title>Re:Ginko has a different effect on me</title>
	<author>M. Baranczak</author>
	<datestamp>1259842680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I have noticed that when I take it, I am more "motivated". I get up out of my chair and do stuff, rather than surf, say, slashdot.</p></div><p>You need to up your dosage.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have noticed that when I take it , I am more " motivated " .
I get up out of my chair and do stuff , rather than surf , say , slashdot.You need to up your dosage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have noticed that when I take it, I am more "motivated".
I get up out of my chair and do stuff, rather than surf, say, slashdot.You need to up your dosage.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30599464</id>
	<title>Re:That's just Western prejudice</title>
	<author>joocemann</author>
	<datestamp>1259834340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Biloba  (2 lobes)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Biloba ( 2 lobes )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Biloba  (2 lobes)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595146</id>
	<title>1st</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259861580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>lolcats!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>lolcats !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lolcats!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596238</id>
	<title>Re:Actually works to their advantage</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259864700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>St. John's Wort has been proven as effective at treating depression as Paxil</p></div></blockquote><p>Can you cite a controlled trial that shows SJW to be effective in treating depression, as well as how you measured it against Paxil?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>St. John 's Wort has been proven as effective at treating depression as PaxilCan you cite a controlled trial that shows SJW to be effective in treating depression , as well as how you measured it against Paxil ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>St. John's Wort has been proven as effective at treating depression as PaxilCan you cite a controlled trial that shows SJW to be effective in treating depression, as well as how you measured it against Paxil?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595842</id>
	<title>Good Diet, Good Test Parameters?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259863500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People who have a poor diet may see more improvement from any supplement than people who have a good diet.  Chances are these people tested had a better than average diet than people who are in the test.  Most testers set up the type of results they want, in my experience of having been in a test.  When I did not answer a question like normal people, I was asked to leave.  I said I only spent 20 minutes per day thinking about food.  It was true, but most spend more time.  I didn't fit in with the desired results, so I was put out post haste.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People who have a poor diet may see more improvement from any supplement than people who have a good diet .
Chances are these people tested had a better than average diet than people who are in the test .
Most testers set up the type of results they want , in my experience of having been in a test .
When I did not answer a question like normal people , I was asked to leave .
I said I only spent 20 minutes per day thinking about food .
It was true , but most spend more time .
I did n't fit in with the desired results , so I was put out post haste .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People who have a poor diet may see more improvement from any supplement than people who have a good diet.
Chances are these people tested had a better than average diet than people who are in the test.
Most testers set up the type of results they want, in my experience of having been in a test.
When I did not answer a question like normal people, I was asked to leave.
I said I only spent 20 minutes per day thinking about food.
It was true, but most spend more time.
I didn't fit in with the desired results, so I was put out post haste.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30599450</id>
	<title>Re:"Americans spent $107 million on it"</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1259834280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You kids stay the hell off my lawn!</htmltext>
<tokenext>You kids stay the hell off my lawn !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You kids stay the hell off my lawn!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30602376</id>
	<title>Re:Supplements industry group replies with BS</title>
	<author>ChrisMaple</author>
	<datestamp>1259856180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The dishonesty, incompetence, and corruption of the FDA is established beyond any possibility of refutation. The supplement industry varies widely: there are a lot of frauds, there are a number of manufacturers who tend to be insufficiently critical of their own products, and there are a few organizations that make high quality products and sponsor research advancing the state of the art (LEF).</htmltext>
<tokenext>The dishonesty , incompetence , and corruption of the FDA is established beyond any possibility of refutation .
The supplement industry varies widely : there are a lot of frauds , there are a number of manufacturers who tend to be insufficiently critical of their own products , and there are a few organizations that make high quality products and sponsor research advancing the state of the art ( LEF ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The dishonesty, incompetence, and corruption of the FDA is established beyond any possibility of refutation.
The supplement industry varies widely: there are a lot of frauds, there are a number of manufacturers who tend to be insufficiently critical of their own products, and there are a few organizations that make high quality products and sponsor research advancing the state of the art (LEF).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596488</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise because of the dosage</title>
	<author>tacarat</author>
	<datestamp>1259865480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, I was thinking something a bit different, but similar.  Sometimes the fun happens in the preparation of the product rather than raw ingredient.  What part of the plant was used?  When the supplement standardizes specific components, are those the right ones?  Do those components need other factors in a specific ratio and minimum amounts to be effective?  Maybe the effects only work on Asians (given that lactose intolerance can be generalized by geographic/racial backgrounds, maybe that's not so far fetched).<br> <br>

Not to say that ginkgo's hype isn't overdone tremendously, or that this report isn't spot on, but the news reports of the test aren't quite right either.<p><div class="quote"><p>The primary outcome analysis from the Ginkgo Evaluation of Memory (GEM) study, the largest completed randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled dementia prevention trial to date,1 found that G biloba, 120 mg twice daily, was not effective in reducing the incidence of <b>Alzheimer dementia or dementia overall.</b> </p><p>

Beyond consideration of a clinical dementia outcome, however, it is possible that <b>G biloba may have had more subtle, therapeutic effects on the rate of cognitive change</b>. Specifically, G biloba may have prevented or delayed age-related changes in individuals with normal cognition, or G biloba may have slowed the rate of decline in those characterized as having mild cognitive impairment (MCI). Indeed, in the United States and particularly in Europe, G biloba is perhaps the most widely used herbal treatment consumed specifically to prevent age-related cognitive decline.2 Putative mechanisms of action on brain functioning include vascular effects such as cerebral vasorelaxation and reduction of blood viscosity,3-4 reduction of oxygen free radicals,5 and neurotransmitter system effects.6-7 Moreover, some in vitro studies indicate that G biloba may inhibit amyloid aggregation, suggesting another mechanism of preventing or delaying cognitive decline associated with Alzheimer disease.</p></div><p>I haven't seen any Ginkgo tablets or information saying it's supposed to be any good for Alzheimer's.  The study does not cover younger people, rather just the old.  And that's fine in context.  Ginkgo will not help people overcome cognitive issues due to Alzheimer's or advanced age.  Great.  Save money.  At least it's not contributing to a bad life.  Again, the studies only show that's it's not effective in these cases, not that it's never effective.  <br> <br>

As always, science is all about how you split the hair, and there's nothing wrong with that when presented as such.  "Common sense", while a potentially helpful myth, also told us the world was flat and that we couldn't fly.  Picking apart the myths and truths of ginkgo will help in finding something that does what the marketers advertise, even if it leads back to just sipping ginkgo tea in a garden.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I was thinking something a bit different , but similar .
Sometimes the fun happens in the preparation of the product rather than raw ingredient .
What part of the plant was used ?
When the supplement standardizes specific components , are those the right ones ?
Do those components need other factors in a specific ratio and minimum amounts to be effective ?
Maybe the effects only work on Asians ( given that lactose intolerance can be generalized by geographic/racial backgrounds , maybe that 's not so far fetched ) .
Not to say that ginkgo 's hype is n't overdone tremendously , or that this report is n't spot on , but the news reports of the test are n't quite right either.The primary outcome analysis from the Ginkgo Evaluation of Memory ( GEM ) study , the largest completed randomized , double-blind , placebo-controlled dementia prevention trial to date,1 found that G biloba , 120 mg twice daily , was not effective in reducing the incidence of Alzheimer dementia or dementia overall .
Beyond consideration of a clinical dementia outcome , however , it is possible that G biloba may have had more subtle , therapeutic effects on the rate of cognitive change .
Specifically , G biloba may have prevented or delayed age-related changes in individuals with normal cognition , or G biloba may have slowed the rate of decline in those characterized as having mild cognitive impairment ( MCI ) .
Indeed , in the United States and particularly in Europe , G biloba is perhaps the most widely used herbal treatment consumed specifically to prevent age-related cognitive decline.2 Putative mechanisms of action on brain functioning include vascular effects such as cerebral vasorelaxation and reduction of blood viscosity,3-4 reduction of oxygen free radicals,5 and neurotransmitter system effects.6-7 Moreover , some in vitro studies indicate that G biloba may inhibit amyloid aggregation , suggesting another mechanism of preventing or delaying cognitive decline associated with Alzheimer disease.I have n't seen any Ginkgo tablets or information saying it 's supposed to be any good for Alzheimer 's .
The study does not cover younger people , rather just the old .
And that 's fine in context .
Ginkgo will not help people overcome cognitive issues due to Alzheimer 's or advanced age .
Great. Save money .
At least it 's not contributing to a bad life .
Again , the studies only show that 's it 's not effective in these cases , not that it 's never effective .
As always , science is all about how you split the hair , and there 's nothing wrong with that when presented as such .
" Common sense " , while a potentially helpful myth , also told us the world was flat and that we could n't fly .
Picking apart the myths and truths of ginkgo will help in finding something that does what the marketers advertise , even if it leads back to just sipping ginkgo tea in a garden .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I was thinking something a bit different, but similar.
Sometimes the fun happens in the preparation of the product rather than raw ingredient.
What part of the plant was used?
When the supplement standardizes specific components, are those the right ones?
Do those components need other factors in a specific ratio and minimum amounts to be effective?
Maybe the effects only work on Asians (given that lactose intolerance can be generalized by geographic/racial backgrounds, maybe that's not so far fetched).
Not to say that ginkgo's hype isn't overdone tremendously, or that this report isn't spot on, but the news reports of the test aren't quite right either.The primary outcome analysis from the Ginkgo Evaluation of Memory (GEM) study, the largest completed randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled dementia prevention trial to date,1 found that G biloba, 120 mg twice daily, was not effective in reducing the incidence of Alzheimer dementia or dementia overall.
Beyond consideration of a clinical dementia outcome, however, it is possible that G biloba may have had more subtle, therapeutic effects on the rate of cognitive change.
Specifically, G biloba may have prevented or delayed age-related changes in individuals with normal cognition, or G biloba may have slowed the rate of decline in those characterized as having mild cognitive impairment (MCI).
Indeed, in the United States and particularly in Europe, G biloba is perhaps the most widely used herbal treatment consumed specifically to prevent age-related cognitive decline.2 Putative mechanisms of action on brain functioning include vascular effects such as cerebral vasorelaxation and reduction of blood viscosity,3-4 reduction of oxygen free radicals,5 and neurotransmitter system effects.6-7 Moreover, some in vitro studies indicate that G biloba may inhibit amyloid aggregation, suggesting another mechanism of preventing or delaying cognitive decline associated with Alzheimer disease.I haven't seen any Ginkgo tablets or information saying it's supposed to be any good for Alzheimer's.
The study does not cover younger people, rather just the old.
And that's fine in context.
Ginkgo will not help people overcome cognitive issues due to Alzheimer's or advanced age.
Great.  Save money.
At least it's not contributing to a bad life.
Again, the studies only show that's it's not effective in these cases, not that it's never effective.
As always, science is all about how you split the hair, and there's nothing wrong with that when presented as such.
"Common sense", while a potentially helpful myth, also told us the world was flat and that we couldn't fly.
Picking apart the myths and truths of ginkgo will help in finding something that does what the marketers advertise, even if it leads back to just sipping ginkgo tea in a garden.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596210</id>
	<title>Re:Medical conspiracy!</title>
	<author>cain</author>
	<datestamp>1259864640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know you're making a joke, but ginko is far from exotic and nor is it a weed (it's a tree). It is widely grown in cities as it is very hardy. If you live in NYC, you see them all over the place and come fall can't help but smell the foul odor of the pods as they fall to the ground and are crushed underfoot.</p><p><a href="http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora\_id=1&amp;taxon\_id=200005235" title="efloras.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora\_id=1&amp;taxon\_id=200005235</a> [efloras.org]<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginkgo\_Biloba" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginkgo\_Biloba</a> [wikipedia.org]<br>&amp;c, &amp;c</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know you 're making a joke , but ginko is far from exotic and nor is it a weed ( it 's a tree ) .
It is widely grown in cities as it is very hardy .
If you live in NYC , you see them all over the place and come fall ca n't help but smell the foul odor of the pods as they fall to the ground and are crushed underfoot.http : //www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx ? flora \ _id = 1&amp;taxon \ _id = 200005235 [ efloras.org ] http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginkgo \ _Biloba [ wikipedia.org ] &amp;c , &amp;c</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know you're making a joke, but ginko is far from exotic and nor is it a weed (it's a tree).
It is widely grown in cities as it is very hardy.
If you live in NYC, you see them all over the place and come fall can't help but smell the foul odor of the pods as they fall to the ground and are crushed underfoot.http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora\_id=1&amp;taxon\_id=200005235 [efloras.org]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginkgo\_Biloba [wikipedia.org]&amp;c, &amp;c</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595232</id>
	<title>That's just Western prejudice</title>
	<author>For a Free Internet</author>
	<datestamp>1259861760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These euro-centric "scientists" can't see pas their narrow-minded blinders to tap into the millenia of cultural experience embodied in Eastern medical and spiritual traditions. The point is, Gingko Baloba has a very potent effect when added to the labels of alternative medical products, causing them to fly off the shelves in exchange for cash. Western medicine is just jealous and probably racist and sexist against peoples like me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These euro-centric " scientists " ca n't see pas their narrow-minded blinders to tap into the millenia of cultural experience embodied in Eastern medical and spiritual traditions .
The point is , Gingko Baloba has a very potent effect when added to the labels of alternative medical products , causing them to fly off the shelves in exchange for cash .
Western medicine is just jealous and probably racist and sexist against peoples like me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These euro-centric "scientists" can't see pas their narrow-minded blinders to tap into the millenia of cultural experience embodied in Eastern medical and spiritual traditions.
The point is, Gingko Baloba has a very potent effect when added to the labels of alternative medical products, causing them to fly off the shelves in exchange for cash.
Western medicine is just jealous and probably racist and sexist against peoples like me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596248</id>
	<title>Re:Actually works to their advantage</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1259864820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No it hasn't, stop lying.</p><p>Many medicines come from herbs, that's not an issue. The issue is 'herbal remedies' that are herbs that have not been shown to have any medicinal effect above placebo.</p><p>You test an herb, if something shows up you testi ti in better contralloed conditions an so on. Either it is shown effective and replicate it, or you toss it away and get on to the next study.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No it has n't , stop lying.Many medicines come from herbs , that 's not an issue .
The issue is 'herbal remedies ' that are herbs that have not been shown to have any medicinal effect above placebo.You test an herb , if something shows up you testi ti in better contralloed conditions an so on .
Either it is shown effective and replicate it , or you toss it away and get on to the next study .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No it hasn't, stop lying.Many medicines come from herbs, that's not an issue.
The issue is 'herbal remedies' that are herbs that have not been shown to have any medicinal effect above placebo.You test an herb, if something shows up you testi ti in better contralloed conditions an so on.
Either it is shown effective and replicate it, or you toss it away and get on to the next study.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595394</id>
	<title>Untested drug found useless... wonders never cease</title>
	<author>jeffmeden</author>
	<datestamp>1259862240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or perhaps it's best put, wonders often never materialize in the first place.  Is anyone really surprised that something sold with a big "these claims have not been evaluated by the FDA" on the bottle has, in fact, been found to do nothing close to the claim?</p><p>Hopefully herbal viagra is next, and some day spammers will be emailing about things people actually can use...*</p><p>*(warning the claims in this post have not been evaluated by the FDA)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or perhaps it 's best put , wonders often never materialize in the first place .
Is anyone really surprised that something sold with a big " these claims have not been evaluated by the FDA " on the bottle has , in fact , been found to do nothing close to the claim ? Hopefully herbal viagra is next , and some day spammers will be emailing about things people actually can use... * * ( warning the claims in this post have not been evaluated by the FDA )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or perhaps it's best put, wonders often never materialize in the first place.
Is anyone really surprised that something sold with a big "these claims have not been evaluated by the FDA" on the bottle has, in fact, been found to do nothing close to the claim?Hopefully herbal viagra is next, and some day spammers will be emailing about things people actually can use...**(warning the claims in this post have not been evaluated by the FDA)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30599364</id>
	<title>Re:Ginko has a different effect on me</title>
	<author>minion</author>
	<datestamp>1259833860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I have noticed that when I take it, I am more "motivated". I get up out of my chair and do stuff, rather than surf, say, slashdot.</p></div><p>So, today you skipped your dose?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have noticed that when I take it , I am more " motivated " .
I get up out of my chair and do stuff , rather than surf , say , slashdot.So , today you skipped your dose ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have noticed that when I take it, I am more "motivated".
I get up out of my chair and do stuff, rather than surf, say, slashdot.So, today you skipped your dose?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596326</id>
	<title>Doesn't matter</title>
	<author>LockeOnLogic</author>
	<datestamp>1259865000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They will still be able to continue to sell this with the same exact claims. So long as it's a "supplement" and not a medication, nothing can be done under current regulations. The only thing that would get it removed from shelves if it was proven toxic, and even then maybe not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They will still be able to continue to sell this with the same exact claims .
So long as it 's a " supplement " and not a medication , nothing can be done under current regulations .
The only thing that would get it removed from shelves if it was proven toxic , and even then maybe not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They will still be able to continue to sell this with the same exact claims.
So long as it's a "supplement" and not a medication, nothing can be done under current regulations.
The only thing that would get it removed from shelves if it was proven toxic, and even then maybe not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597714</id>
	<title>Re:That's just Western prejudice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259870280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You've obviously never read a bottle of Gingsing or any other herbal supplement. The manufacturers not only don't make any claims but they can't. If they did they would get a visit from the FDA.<br>Nice rant on religion there too. You do realize that you have the exact same number of facts backing up your position as religious people do, yet that doesn't stop you from spreading your beliefs and claiming others are wrong. I really hate hypocrites. If I had to choose between having a religious person and a douche-bag athiest try and convert me I'd pick a religious person every time. They are far less angry, violent, and conceited than athiests are.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've obviously never read a bottle of Gingsing or any other herbal supplement .
The manufacturers not only do n't make any claims but they ca n't .
If they did they would get a visit from the FDA.Nice rant on religion there too .
You do realize that you have the exact same number of facts backing up your position as religious people do , yet that does n't stop you from spreading your beliefs and claiming others are wrong .
I really hate hypocrites .
If I had to choose between having a religious person and a douche-bag athiest try and convert me I 'd pick a religious person every time .
They are far less angry , violent , and conceited than athiests are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've obviously never read a bottle of Gingsing or any other herbal supplement.
The manufacturers not only don't make any claims but they can't.
If they did they would get a visit from the FDA.Nice rant on religion there too.
You do realize that you have the exact same number of facts backing up your position as religious people do, yet that doesn't stop you from spreading your beliefs and claiming others are wrong.
I really hate hypocrites.
If I had to choose between having a religious person and a douche-bag athiest try and convert me I'd pick a religious person every time.
They are far less angry, violent, and conceited than athiests are.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30599282</id>
	<title>Re:You know what else it's good for though, right?</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1259833500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"But all that blood flow has another effect as well...makes me wonder what stuff like Viagra and Cialis are actually like, given the effects of this stuff."</p><p>The Chinese remedy, Sum Yung Tang, has been found to be highly effective.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" But all that blood flow has another effect as well...makes me wonder what stuff like Viagra and Cialis are actually like , given the effects of this stuff .
" The Chinese remedy , Sum Yung Tang , has been found to be highly effective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"But all that blood flow has another effect as well...makes me wonder what stuff like Viagra and Cialis are actually like, given the effects of this stuff.
"The Chinese remedy, Sum Yung Tang, has been found to be highly effective.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596646</id>
	<title>Re:Actually works to their advantage</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259866020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>On the other hand, St. John's Wort has been proven as effective at treating depression as Paxil. So you can't lump all the herbals together. Just because Ginko doesn't work doesn't mean no herbs work.</p></div><p>Not according to the <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=study-finds-st-johns-wort" title="scientificamerican.com" rel="nofollow">Journal of the American Medical Association</a> [scientificamerican.com].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>On the other hand , St. John 's Wort has been proven as effective at treating depression as Paxil .
So you ca n't lump all the herbals together .
Just because Ginko does n't work does n't mean no herbs work.Not according to the Journal of the American Medical Association [ scientificamerican.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the other hand, St. John's Wort has been proven as effective at treating depression as Paxil.
So you can't lump all the herbals together.
Just because Ginko doesn't work doesn't mean no herbs work.Not according to the Journal of the American Medical Association [scientificamerican.com].
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595480</id>
	<title>Maybe for dementia patients...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259862480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I take it regularly throughout the day, every day, and it makes a huge difference for me in memory and calmness of thought.  I get so worked up sometimes trying to multitask everything.. it really helps focus.  I can definitely tell when I've taken it and when I haven't.</p><p>Too bad it doesn't help the dementia patients.  Their circulatory system may be too weak to provide the increased blood flow to the brain that ginkgo enhances.</p><p>-m</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I take it regularly throughout the day , every day , and it makes a huge difference for me in memory and calmness of thought .
I get so worked up sometimes trying to multitask everything.. it really helps focus .
I can definitely tell when I 've taken it and when I have n't.Too bad it does n't help the dementia patients .
Their circulatory system may be too weak to provide the increased blood flow to the brain that ginkgo enhances.-m</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I take it regularly throughout the day, every day, and it makes a huge difference for me in memory and calmness of thought.
I get so worked up sometimes trying to multitask everything.. it really helps focus.
I can definitely tell when I've taken it and when I haven't.Too bad it doesn't help the dementia patients.
Their circulatory system may be too weak to provide the increased blood flow to the brain that ginkgo enhances.-m</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597954</id>
	<title>Re:Untested drug found useless... wonders never ce</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1259871240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Herbal suppliments, like the herbal viagra, are not subject to FDA rules. Some senator with a herbal suppliment bias was rewarded with this bit of law. Don't expect the government to protect you when they can reward one of their own with a law like this. Science doesn't matter in cases like this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Herbal suppliments , like the herbal viagra , are not subject to FDA rules .
Some senator with a herbal suppliment bias was rewarded with this bit of law .
Do n't expect the government to protect you when they can reward one of their own with a law like this .
Science does n't matter in cases like this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Herbal suppliments, like the herbal viagra, are not subject to FDA rules.
Some senator with a herbal suppliment bias was rewarded with this bit of law.
Don't expect the government to protect you when they can reward one of their own with a law like this.
Science doesn't matter in cases like this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595714</id>
	<title>still a remarkable plant</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259863080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ginko may not have medical value for humans, but it is still a remarkable tree.  Genetically, its ancestors split off from all plants alive today something like a quarter billion years ago, and the modern tree still resembles ancestors found in fossil from 270 million years ago.  No other plant has a similar leaf shape or vein structure.  It is the only member of its genus, its family, order, class, and division.  There may be no native population left, but you can often find this amazing form of life planted next to sidewalks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ginko may not have medical value for humans , but it is still a remarkable tree .
Genetically , its ancestors split off from all plants alive today something like a quarter billion years ago , and the modern tree still resembles ancestors found in fossil from 270 million years ago .
No other plant has a similar leaf shape or vein structure .
It is the only member of its genus , its family , order , class , and division .
There may be no native population left , but you can often find this amazing form of life planted next to sidewalks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ginko may not have medical value for humans, but it is still a remarkable tree.
Genetically, its ancestors split off from all plants alive today something like a quarter billion years ago, and the modern tree still resembles ancestors found in fossil from 270 million years ago.
No other plant has a similar leaf shape or vein structure.
It is the only member of its genus, its family, order, class, and division.
There may be no native population left, but you can often find this amazing form of life planted next to sidewalks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30613416</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting fact</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1230813540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You know what they call alternative medicine that works?.... Medicine.</p></div><p>If... it is patentable.</p><p>If not they pay someone to do a study to debunk it by using 70-90 yr old people who are not in my age group anyway. And... are lacking in other body chemicals as well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know what they call alternative medicine that works ? ... .
Medicine.If... it is patentable.If not they pay someone to do a study to debunk it by using 70-90 yr old people who are not in my age group anyway .
And... are lacking in other body chemicals as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know what they call alternative medicine that works?....
Medicine.If... it is patentable.If not they pay someone to do a study to debunk it by using 70-90 yr old people who are not in my age group anyway.
And... are lacking in other body chemicals as well.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597834</id>
	<title>Re:Ginko has a different effect on me</title>
	<author>lawpoop</author>
	<datestamp>1259870760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Well, that or you just assume that's the effect it will have on you, and so you behave accordingly.</p></div><p>What you are claiming as a possibility is not exclusive to what OP said. They did not claim that "Ginko motivates me and I follow through on it", they just said, "When I take it, I do things."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , that or you just assume that 's the effect it will have on you , and so you behave accordingly.What you are claiming as a possibility is not exclusive to what OP said .
They did not claim that " Ginko motivates me and I follow through on it " , they just said , " When I take it , I do things .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, that or you just assume that's the effect it will have on you, and so you behave accordingly.What you are claiming as a possibility is not exclusive to what OP said.
They did not claim that "Ginko motivates me and I follow through on it", they just said, "When I take it, I do things.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595824</id>
	<title>Supplements industry group replies with BS</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1259863440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I love the bullshit reply from the supplements industry group:<blockquote><div><p>A supplements industry group, Council for Responsible Nutrition, said other studies suggest the herbal supplement can be effective in improving cognitive function.

</p><p>"In an area where there are few other safe, affordable options, I would hate to see this study send the wrong message to consumers," Douglas MacKay, CRN vice president said in an email. "I would continue to recommend Ginkgo biloba to older adults as a safe, effective option for supporting cognitive health."</p></div>
</blockquote><p>Cue the "but it worked in my case" replies...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I love the bullshit reply from the supplements industry group : A supplements industry group , Council for Responsible Nutrition , said other studies suggest the herbal supplement can be effective in improving cognitive function .
" In an area where there are few other safe , affordable options , I would hate to see this study send the wrong message to consumers , " Douglas MacKay , CRN vice president said in an email .
" I would continue to recommend Ginkgo biloba to older adults as a safe , effective option for supporting cognitive health .
" Cue the " but it worked in my case " replies.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love the bullshit reply from the supplements industry group:A supplements industry group, Council for Responsible Nutrition, said other studies suggest the herbal supplement can be effective in improving cognitive function.
"In an area where there are few other safe, affordable options, I would hate to see this study send the wrong message to consumers," Douglas MacKay, CRN vice president said in an email.
"I would continue to recommend Ginkgo biloba to older adults as a safe, effective option for supporting cognitive health.
"
Cue the "but it worked in my case" replies...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30599512</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting fact</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259834580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Insomnia<br>2. Depression<br>3. Anxiety<br>4. Bowel disorders<br>5. Insulin resistance (pre-diabetes)</p><p>Those are conditions off the top of my head where alternative medicine not only has effective treatments, but the treatments are often better for you than conventional medicine. Calling anything non-pharmaceutical as "non-medicine" is disingenuous at best, and shows you have done absolutely no research on the matter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Insomnia2. Depression3 .
Anxiety4. Bowel disorders5 .
Insulin resistance ( pre-diabetes ) Those are conditions off the top of my head where alternative medicine not only has effective treatments , but the treatments are often better for you than conventional medicine .
Calling anything non-pharmaceutical as " non-medicine " is disingenuous at best , and shows you have done absolutely no research on the matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Insomnia2. Depression3.
Anxiety4. Bowel disorders5.
Insulin resistance (pre-diabetes)Those are conditions off the top of my head where alternative medicine not only has effective treatments, but the treatments are often better for you than conventional medicine.
Calling anything non-pharmaceutical as "non-medicine" is disingenuous at best, and shows you have done absolutely no research on the matter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596368</id>
	<title>Re:So what exactly then...</title>
	<author>DogAlmity</author>
	<datestamp>1259865120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...is ginkgo biloba good for?</p></div><p>
Absolutely nothing!<br>
Say it again y'all!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...is ginkgo biloba good for ?
Absolutely nothing !
Say it again y'all !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...is ginkgo biloba good for?
Absolutely nothing!
Say it again y'all!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30602452</id>
	<title>Re:Untested drug found useless... wonders never ce</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259856720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, herbal viagra is very real and effective. It's inert plant material laced with analogues of sildenafil (such as Acetildenafil and Thiomethisosildenafil) that work as PDE5 inhibitors to avoid patent restrictions and prescriptions. Greasy, yes. Fake, no.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , herbal viagra is very real and effective .
It 's inert plant material laced with analogues of sildenafil ( such as Acetildenafil and Thiomethisosildenafil ) that work as PDE5 inhibitors to avoid patent restrictions and prescriptions .
Greasy , yes .
Fake , no .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, herbal viagra is very real and effective.
It's inert plant material laced with analogues of sildenafil (such as Acetildenafil and Thiomethisosildenafil) that work as PDE5 inhibitors to avoid patent restrictions and prescriptions.
Greasy, yes.
Fake, no.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596014</id>
	<title>Re:Explains things...</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1259864100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Seriously though, I had a suspicion 10 years ago when I took it, I couldn't see any difference either."<br>Tha';s a horrible way to evaluate something.  It's the same type of thinking that gives these idiots power in the market place.</p><p>Yes, studies show it does nothing, but using that to do bias confirmation is a bad thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Seriously though , I had a suspicion 10 years ago when I took it , I could n't see any difference either .
" Tha ' ; s a horrible way to evaluate something .
It 's the same type of thinking that gives these idiots power in the market place.Yes , studies show it does nothing , but using that to do bias confirmation is a bad thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Seriously though, I had a suspicion 10 years ago when I took it, I couldn't see any difference either.
"Tha';s a horrible way to evaluate something.
It's the same type of thinking that gives these idiots power in the market place.Yes, studies show it does nothing, but using that to do bias confirmation is a bad thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596604</id>
	<title>Re:Ginko has a different effect on me</title>
	<author>Lord Ender</author>
	<datestamp>1259865900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know, the exact same thing happens to me when I take placebo!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , the exact same thing happens to me when I take placebo !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, the exact same thing happens to me when I take placebo!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595900</id>
	<title>Re:So what exactly then...</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1259863740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ginkgo <i>Balboa</i> is clinically proven to improve your boxing skills...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ginkgo Balboa is clinically proven to improve your boxing skills.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ginkgo Balboa is clinically proven to improve your boxing skills...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595362</id>
	<title>Actually works to their advantage</title>
	<author>jarocho</author>
	<datestamp>1259862120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bet the herbal supplements industry is hoping its customers will forget all about this report eventually...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet the herbal supplements industry is hoping its customers will forget all about this report eventually... : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet the herbal supplements industry is hoping its customers will forget all about this report eventually... :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597166</id>
	<title>Re:That's just Western prejudice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259868000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Yup, right up there with leeching</i></p><p>Actually, leaching *does* have medicinal benefits. Doctors have learned that leaches can be used effectively in the reattaching of severed body parts.  They've also found benefits in the use of maggots (they eat infected flesh, but don't bother the healthy flesh surrounding it)</p><p><i>Got a headache? We'll drill a gaping, untreated hole in your head to release the "bad spirits"! </i></p><p>Hate to break it to you, but this is used by modern medicine too in order to relieve cranial pressure caused by fluid buildup.</p><p>So, despite your cries of "it's all bunk", "new" discoveries involving old techniques are not uncommon. That's not to say that *all* old cures and treatments work, but just because someone scoffs at something as unenlightened doesn't mean it really is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup , right up there with leechingActually , leaching * does * have medicinal benefits .
Doctors have learned that leaches can be used effectively in the reattaching of severed body parts .
They 've also found benefits in the use of maggots ( they eat infected flesh , but do n't bother the healthy flesh surrounding it ) Got a headache ?
We 'll drill a gaping , untreated hole in your head to release the " bad spirits " !
Hate to break it to you , but this is used by modern medicine too in order to relieve cranial pressure caused by fluid buildup.So , despite your cries of " it 's all bunk " , " new " discoveries involving old techniques are not uncommon .
That 's not to say that * all * old cures and treatments work , but just because someone scoffs at something as unenlightened does n't mean it really is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup, right up there with leechingActually, leaching *does* have medicinal benefits.
Doctors have learned that leaches can be used effectively in the reattaching of severed body parts.
They've also found benefits in the use of maggots (they eat infected flesh, but don't bother the healthy flesh surrounding it)Got a headache?
We'll drill a gaping, untreated hole in your head to release the "bad spirits"!
Hate to break it to you, but this is used by modern medicine too in order to relieve cranial pressure caused by fluid buildup.So, despite your cries of "it's all bunk", "new" discoveries involving old techniques are not uncommon.
That's not to say that *all* old cures and treatments work, but just because someone scoffs at something as unenlightened doesn't mean it really is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596762</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise because of the dosage</title>
	<author>jeffmeden</author>
	<datestamp>1259866500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Never mind then that Vitamin C (arguably an 'unrefined plant material') has the odd effect of making you *not get scurvy and die* as a result of a daily dosage of around 100mg.</p><p>Relatively small doses of simple things can affect you in lots of interesting ways.  Look at medication that treats thyroid disorders; it's a simple material (although it doesn't grow on trees) dosed out in *micrograms*, the slightest variation of which (less than 15 micrograms for some people, myself included) your body WILL feel the difference of.</p><p>Most things, sure, your body sends in one end and it comes out the other relatively unchanged.  Certain things, though, are profoundly influential.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Never mind then that Vitamin C ( arguably an 'unrefined plant material ' ) has the odd effect of making you * not get scurvy and die * as a result of a daily dosage of around 100mg.Relatively small doses of simple things can affect you in lots of interesting ways .
Look at medication that treats thyroid disorders ; it 's a simple material ( although it does n't grow on trees ) dosed out in * micrograms * , the slightest variation of which ( less than 15 micrograms for some people , myself included ) your body WILL feel the difference of.Most things , sure , your body sends in one end and it comes out the other relatively unchanged .
Certain things , though , are profoundly influential .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never mind then that Vitamin C (arguably an 'unrefined plant material') has the odd effect of making you *not get scurvy and die* as a result of a daily dosage of around 100mg.Relatively small doses of simple things can affect you in lots of interesting ways.
Look at medication that treats thyroid disorders; it's a simple material (although it doesn't grow on trees) dosed out in *micrograms*, the slightest variation of which (less than 15 micrograms for some people, myself included) your body WILL feel the difference of.Most things, sure, your body sends in one end and it comes out the other relatively unchanged.
Certain things, though, are profoundly influential.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596182</id>
	<title>Re:Actually works to their advantage</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259864520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they work, they eventually become medicine. Otherwise they remain snake oil.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they work , they eventually become medicine .
Otherwise they remain snake oil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they work, they eventually become medicine.
Otherwise they remain snake oil.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596024</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe for dementia patients...</title>
	<author>LOLLinux</author>
	<datestamp>1259864100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I take it regularly throughout the day, every day, and it makes a huge difference for me in memory and calmness of thought. I get so worked up sometimes trying to multitask everything.. it really helps focus. I can definitely tell when I've taken it and when I haven't.</p></div><p>Yes, they have a term for this.  It's called the placebo effect.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I take it regularly throughout the day , every day , and it makes a huge difference for me in memory and calmness of thought .
I get so worked up sometimes trying to multitask everything.. it really helps focus .
I can definitely tell when I 've taken it and when I have n't.Yes , they have a term for this .
It 's called the placebo effect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I take it regularly throughout the day, every day, and it makes a huge difference for me in memory and calmness of thought.
I get so worked up sometimes trying to multitask everything.. it really helps focus.
I can definitely tell when I've taken it and when I haven't.Yes, they have a term for this.
It's called the placebo effect.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596538</id>
	<title>Re:Actually works to their advantage</title>
	<author>Just Some Guy</author>
	<datestamp>1259865660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>On the other hand, St. John's Wort has been proven as effective at treating depression as Paxil.</p></div><p>...which is why you should stay far, far away from it. A proven psychoactive substance with no regulation or standardization? That's a recipe for disaster.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>On the other hand , St. John 's Wort has been proven as effective at treating depression as Paxil....which is why you should stay far , far away from it .
A proven psychoactive substance with no regulation or standardization ?
That 's a recipe for disaster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the other hand, St. John's Wort has been proven as effective at treating depression as Paxil....which is why you should stay far, far away from it.
A proven psychoactive substance with no regulation or standardization?
That's a recipe for disaster.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595660</id>
	<title>Re:Ginko has a different effect on me</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1259862960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> I get up out of my chair and do stuff</p></div><p>Playing a video game while standing is hardly takes any motivation.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I get up out of my chair and do stuffPlaying a video game while standing is hardly takes any motivation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I get up out of my chair and do stuffPlaying a video game while standing is hardly takes any motivation.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595688</id>
	<title>How can we trust the results</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1259863020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>unless the researchers were taking ginkgo to improve their memory and cognitive skills?  They probably made a lot of mental mistakes...</htmltext>
<tokenext>unless the researchers were taking ginkgo to improve their memory and cognitive skills ?
They probably made a lot of mental mistakes.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>unless the researchers were taking ginkgo to improve their memory and cognitive skills?
They probably made a lot of mental mistakes...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596450</id>
	<title>Re:That's just Western prejudice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259865360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why are you so mean, I am just a humble spirit trying to spread enlitenment and peace and you are all attacking me about stuff that you obviusly know nothing about you ignorant imperialist pigdog! --underground commando of the CFAFI</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why are you so mean , I am just a humble spirit trying to spread enlitenment and peace and you are all attacking me about stuff that you obviusly know nothing about you ignorant imperialist pigdog !
--underground commando of the CFAFI</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why are you so mean, I am just a humble spirit trying to spread enlitenment and peace and you are all attacking me about stuff that you obviusly know nothing about you ignorant imperialist pigdog!
--underground commando of the CFAFI</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30609844</id>
	<title>Re:Ginko has a different effect on me</title>
	<author>kurzweilfreak</author>
	<datestamp>1262254380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Obviously you didn't take your Ginko the morning you posted this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously you did n't take your Ginko the morning you posted this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously you didn't take your Ginko the morning you posted this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597366</id>
	<title>surprised</title>
	<author>solweil</author>
	<datestamp>1259868840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a little surprised at all the knee-jerk support of big pharma on slashdot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a little surprised at all the knee-jerk support of big pharma on slashdot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a little surprised at all the knee-jerk support of big pharma on slashdot.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30602302</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise because of the dosage</title>
	<author>ChrisMaple</author>
	<datestamp>1259855520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Vitamin B12 is needed only in microgram quantities and a deficiency may take years to have an effect. Small doses of meat will be adequate in almost all cases to prevent the problems caused by inadequate vitamin B12 consumption.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Vitamin B12 is needed only in microgram quantities and a deficiency may take years to have an effect .
Small doses of meat will be adequate in almost all cases to prevent the problems caused by inadequate vitamin B12 consumption .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vitamin B12 is needed only in microgram quantities and a deficiency may take years to have an effect.
Small doses of meat will be adequate in almost all cases to prevent the problems caused by inadequate vitamin B12 consumption.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595242</id>
	<title>Medical conspiracy!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259861820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes but was it ORGANIC Kinkgo?? That is the question!  This test was obviously conducted by real doctors who don't want us to know the truth about the power of eating weeds that grow in exotic jungles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes but was it ORGANIC Kinkgo ? ?
That is the question !
This test was obviously conducted by real doctors who do n't want us to know the truth about the power of eating weeds that grow in exotic jungles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes but was it ORGANIC Kinkgo??
That is the question!
This test was obviously conducted by real doctors who don't want us to know the truth about the power of eating weeds that grow in exotic jungles.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30601274</id>
	<title>Re:120 milligrams isn't enough for any effect</title>
	<author>HornWumpus</author>
	<datestamp>1259846040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
2 joints to the gram?
</p><p>
You roll pin joints dude.
</p><p>
120mg of the best will still be very noticeable to a low tolerance person.
</p><p>
1 small hit of TrainWreck will leave a new smoker rooted in his/her chair for hours. That strain is truly narcotic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>2 joints to the gram ?
You roll pin joints dude .
120mg of the best will still be very noticeable to a low tolerance person .
1 small hit of TrainWreck will leave a new smoker rooted in his/her chair for hours .
That strain is truly narcotic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
2 joints to the gram?
You roll pin joints dude.
120mg of the best will still be very noticeable to a low tolerance person.
1 small hit of TrainWreck will leave a new smoker rooted in his/her chair for hours.
That strain is truly narcotic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596244</id>
	<title>Re:Ginko has a different effect on me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259864760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I took Ginkgo Biloba regularly for a few months and, while I think my breath was fresher, I did not note any evidence that I remembered stuff better.  I quit taking it.  It didn't seem worth the money.</p><p>OTOH, I wasn't testing my memory in any standard way; my comment is purely anecdotal.  Still, as an irrational human being, I am glad to read a scientific study that supports my preconception.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I took Ginkgo Biloba regularly for a few months and , while I think my breath was fresher , I did not note any evidence that I remembered stuff better .
I quit taking it .
It did n't seem worth the money.OTOH , I was n't testing my memory in any standard way ; my comment is purely anecdotal .
Still , as an irrational human being , I am glad to read a scientific study that supports my preconception .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I took Ginkgo Biloba regularly for a few months and, while I think my breath was fresher, I did not note any evidence that I remembered stuff better.
I quit taking it.
It didn't seem worth the money.OTOH, I wasn't testing my memory in any standard way; my comment is purely anecdotal.
Still, as an irrational human being, I am glad to read a scientific study that supports my preconception.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597452</id>
	<title>Re:memory no... blood flow very much so</title>
	<author>JumperCable</author>
	<datestamp>1259869200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The above sample set is of 3,000 people.  Link me to the study that says it has positive effects on memory functions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The above sample set is of 3,000 people .
Link me to the study that says it has positive effects on memory functions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The above sample set is of 3,000 people.
Link me to the study that says it has positive effects on memory functions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597180</id>
	<title>Re:Actually works to their advantage</title>
	<author>barzok</author>
	<datestamp>1259868060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lots of placebos have been shown to be nearly as effective at treating depression too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lots of placebos have been shown to be nearly as effective at treating depression too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lots of placebos have been shown to be nearly as effective at treating depression too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595542</id>
	<title>No surprise because of the dosage</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1259862660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>average of six years. Half of the participants took two 120-milligram capsules of ginkgo a day</p></div><p>No surprise because of the dosage... a peculiarity of human metabolism that theres very few (no?) raw materials you can consume at that level for years that has any effect other than life or death.</p><p>There are vitamins and minerals that have some effect at those dosages... again, generally speaking, after six years the effect is either life or death.</p><p>Everything else has no effect.  120 mg of red meat, no effect.  Now, 4 Kg of grilled red meat every day, that'll have an effect on blood chemistry after six years.  But not 120 mg.</p><p>Although caffeine would have some effect for the first month or two, tolerance rapidly develops, resulting in no effect.  And 120 mg of tea leaves would be pretty weak tea.</p><p>There are some carefully refined prescription medicines that have an effect... but unrefined plant material, no.</p><p>I'm struggling to think of a "raw material" that would have any effect other than life and death at that low of a dose over that time period... High yield lead ore?  High yield mercury ore?</p><p>Now you go to the Kg range, or the ug range, substances with interesting effects exist.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>average of six years .
Half of the participants took two 120-milligram capsules of ginkgo a dayNo surprise because of the dosage... a peculiarity of human metabolism that theres very few ( no ?
) raw materials you can consume at that level for years that has any effect other than life or death.There are vitamins and minerals that have some effect at those dosages... again , generally speaking , after six years the effect is either life or death.Everything else has no effect .
120 mg of red meat , no effect .
Now , 4 Kg of grilled red meat every day , that 'll have an effect on blood chemistry after six years .
But not 120 mg.Although caffeine would have some effect for the first month or two , tolerance rapidly develops , resulting in no effect .
And 120 mg of tea leaves would be pretty weak tea.There are some carefully refined prescription medicines that have an effect... but unrefined plant material , no.I 'm struggling to think of a " raw material " that would have any effect other than life and death at that low of a dose over that time period... High yield lead ore ?
High yield mercury ore ? Now you go to the Kg range , or the ug range , substances with interesting effects exist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>average of six years.
Half of the participants took two 120-milligram capsules of ginkgo a dayNo surprise because of the dosage... a peculiarity of human metabolism that theres very few (no?
) raw materials you can consume at that level for years that has any effect other than life or death.There are vitamins and minerals that have some effect at those dosages... again, generally speaking, after six years the effect is either life or death.Everything else has no effect.
120 mg of red meat, no effect.
Now, 4 Kg of grilled red meat every day, that'll have an effect on blood chemistry after six years.
But not 120 mg.Although caffeine would have some effect for the first month or two, tolerance rapidly develops, resulting in no effect.
And 120 mg of tea leaves would be pretty weak tea.There are some carefully refined prescription medicines that have an effect... but unrefined plant material, no.I'm struggling to think of a "raw material" that would have any effect other than life and death at that low of a dose over that time period... High yield lead ore?
High yield mercury ore?Now you go to the Kg range, or the ug range, substances with interesting effects exist.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30601058</id>
	<title>Re:120 milligrams isn't enough for any effect</title>
	<author>msimm</author>
	<datestamp>1259844420000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>How high are you going to get on 1/4 of a joint?</p></div></blockquote><p>
High enough to measure it's effects against a placebo.</p></div>
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<tokenext>How high are you going to get on 1/4 of a joint ?
High enough to measure it 's effects against a placebo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How high are you going to get on 1/4 of a joint?
High enough to measure it's effects against a placebo.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595828</id>
	<title>Ginko ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259863500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been using Ginko for years, and I must say...... wait what was i going to say.. Hmmmm hey how about those Patriots last Sunday, WOW!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been using Ginko for years , and I must say...... wait what was i going to say.. Hmmmm hey how about those Patriots last Sunday , WOW !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been using Ginko for years, and I must say...... wait what was i going to say.. Hmmmm hey how about those Patriots last Sunday, WOW!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596492</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise because of the dosage</title>
	<author>nxtw</author>
	<datestamp>1259865480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#Toxicology" title="wikipedia.org">Don't try 120 mg of nicotine.</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't try 120 mg of nicotine .
[ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't try 120 mg of nicotine.
[wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30599686</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise because of the dosage</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259835540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen\_sulfide</p><p>Naturally occurring gas.</p><p>"# 0.0047 ppm is the recognition threshold, the concentration at which 50\% of humans can detect the characteristic odor of hydrogen sulfide [1], normally described as resembling "a rotten egg</p><p>"# At 150&ndash;250 ppm the olfactory nerve is paralyzed after a few inhalations, and the sense of smell disappears, often together with awareness of danger,</p><p># 320&ndash;530 ppm leads to pulmonary edema with the possibility of death."</p><p>And 1ppm is like 1mg of your 1kg steak.</p><p>There are plenty of materials that have long term consequences. Hormone blockers are very potent and omnipresent in today's world. Effectively reducing male hormones at a 10e-12 levels (undetectable except with sophisticated equipment). That is pg (picogram) per day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen \ _sulfideNaturally occurring gas .
" # 0.0047 ppm is the recognition threshold , the concentration at which 50 \ % of humans can detect the characteristic odor of hydrogen sulfide [ 1 ] , normally described as resembling " a rotten egg " # At 150    250 ppm the olfactory nerve is paralyzed after a few inhalations , and the sense of smell disappears , often together with awareness of danger , # 320    530 ppm leads to pulmonary edema with the possibility of death .
" And 1ppm is like 1mg of your 1kg steak.There are plenty of materials that have long term consequences .
Hormone blockers are very potent and omnipresent in today 's world .
Effectively reducing male hormones at a 10e-12 levels ( undetectable except with sophisticated equipment ) .
That is pg ( picogram ) per day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen\_sulfideNaturally occurring gas.
"# 0.0047 ppm is the recognition threshold, the concentration at which 50\% of humans can detect the characteristic odor of hydrogen sulfide [1], normally described as resembling "a rotten egg"# At 150–250 ppm the olfactory nerve is paralyzed after a few inhalations, and the sense of smell disappears, often together with awareness of danger,# 320–530 ppm leads to pulmonary edema with the possibility of death.
"And 1ppm is like 1mg of your 1kg steak.There are plenty of materials that have long term consequences.
Hormone blockers are very potent and omnipresent in today's world.
Effectively reducing male hormones at a 10e-12 levels (undetectable except with sophisticated equipment).
That is pg (picogram) per day.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595160</id>
	<title>You know what else it's good for though, right?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259861580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>It's basically herbal Viagra!  BOING!  Not that that would interest anyone here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's basically herbal Viagra !
BOING ! Not that that would interest anyone here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's basically herbal Viagra!
BOING!  Not that that would interest anyone here.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597222</id>
	<title>Ginkgo doesn't improve memory...</title>
	<author>Genwil</author>
	<datestamp>1259868240000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I meant to test ginkgo myself but kept forgetting to take it!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I meant to test ginkgo myself but kept forgetting to take it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I meant to test ginkgo myself but kept forgetting to take it!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596198</id>
	<title>Re:That's just Western prejudice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259864580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>These euro-centric "scientists" can't see pas their narrow-minded blinders to tap into the millenia of cultural experience embodied in Eastern medical and spiritual traditions.</p></div><p>Yup, right up there with leeching and medicinal tapeworms.  Those aren't "eastern", but they were used for years too. Got a headache?  We'll drill a gaping, untreated hole in your head to release the "bad spirits"!  Thats African, not "eastern", but do you think it's not effective?  You must clearly be racist and sexist as well.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> The point is, Gingko Baloba has a very potent effect when added to the labels of alternative medical products, causing them to fly off the shelves in exchange for cash.</p></div><p>Yup, it makes yuppies in "Organic" food stores worldwide not listen to reason.  I've another shipment of snake oil that's been selling so well I can hardly keep it in stock.  Since that's your only proof of effect so far, this stuff must be awesome.  I'll get you some dirt cheap if you want.  I swear!!!</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Western medicine is just jealous and probably racist and sexist against peoples like me.</p></div><p>This statement confuses me such that I'm not quite sure how to comment.  I'll try anyway, after a deep breath.  Ginkgo Baloba[<i>sic</i>] is a plant.  I am sure that by pure virtue of you posting your above comment, you are not a plant, certainly not of the same species as Ginkgo is.  I'm fairly certain that you can't rightfully claim any similarity between your gender, whatever it may be, and that of any type of Ginkgo.  Why is it that you assume some sort of racial or even sexist slight against you, whomever or whatever you might be, when a study is done involving herbal qualities of a plant and they're found to be equivalent to a placebo?<br> <br> <br>
Oh, unless you thought the whole thing was about Ginkgo Balboa, Rocky's little known Chinese adopted sister.</p></div>
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<tokenext>These euro-centric " scientists " ca n't see pas their narrow-minded blinders to tap into the millenia of cultural experience embodied in Eastern medical and spiritual traditions.Yup , right up there with leeching and medicinal tapeworms .
Those are n't " eastern " , but they were used for years too .
Got a headache ?
We 'll drill a gaping , untreated hole in your head to release the " bad spirits " !
Thats African , not " eastern " , but do you think it 's not effective ?
You must clearly be racist and sexist as well .
The point is , Gingko Baloba has a very potent effect when added to the labels of alternative medical products , causing them to fly off the shelves in exchange for cash.Yup , it makes yuppies in " Organic " food stores worldwide not listen to reason .
I 've another shipment of snake oil that 's been selling so well I can hardly keep it in stock .
Since that 's your only proof of effect so far , this stuff must be awesome .
I 'll get you some dirt cheap if you want .
I swear ! !
! Western medicine is just jealous and probably racist and sexist against peoples like me.This statement confuses me such that I 'm not quite sure how to comment .
I 'll try anyway , after a deep breath .
Ginkgo Baloba [ sic ] is a plant .
I am sure that by pure virtue of you posting your above comment , you are not a plant , certainly not of the same species as Ginkgo is .
I 'm fairly certain that you ca n't rightfully claim any similarity between your gender , whatever it may be , and that of any type of Ginkgo .
Why is it that you assume some sort of racial or even sexist slight against you , whomever or whatever you might be , when a study is done involving herbal qualities of a plant and they 're found to be equivalent to a placebo ?
Oh , unless you thought the whole thing was about Ginkgo Balboa , Rocky 's little known Chinese adopted sister .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These euro-centric "scientists" can't see pas their narrow-minded blinders to tap into the millenia of cultural experience embodied in Eastern medical and spiritual traditions.Yup, right up there with leeching and medicinal tapeworms.
Those aren't "eastern", but they were used for years too.
Got a headache?
We'll drill a gaping, untreated hole in your head to release the "bad spirits"!
Thats African, not "eastern", but do you think it's not effective?
You must clearly be racist and sexist as well.
The point is, Gingko Baloba has a very potent effect when added to the labels of alternative medical products, causing them to fly off the shelves in exchange for cash.Yup, it makes yuppies in "Organic" food stores worldwide not listen to reason.
I've another shipment of snake oil that's been selling so well I can hardly keep it in stock.
Since that's your only proof of effect so far, this stuff must be awesome.
I'll get you some dirt cheap if you want.
I swear!!
!Western medicine is just jealous and probably racist and sexist against peoples like me.This statement confuses me such that I'm not quite sure how to comment.
I'll try anyway, after a deep breath.
Ginkgo Baloba[sic] is a plant.
I am sure that by pure virtue of you posting your above comment, you are not a plant, certainly not of the same species as Ginkgo is.
I'm fairly certain that you can't rightfully claim any similarity between your gender, whatever it may be, and that of any type of Ginkgo.
Why is it that you assume some sort of racial or even sexist slight against you, whomever or whatever you might be, when a study is done involving herbal qualities of a plant and they're found to be equivalent to a placebo?
Oh, unless you thought the whole thing was about Ginkgo Balboa, Rocky's little known Chinese adopted sister.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595744</id>
	<title>But at least</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259863200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you can save 15\% on your car insurance...</p><p>(Oops my bad, thats Geico)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you can save 15 \ % on your car insurance... ( Oops my bad , thats Geico )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you can save 15\% on your car insurance...(Oops my bad, thats Geico)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596514</id>
	<title>Here is a nice write up-</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1259865600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=3235#more-3235" title="sciencebasedmedicine.org">http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=3235#more-3235</a> [sciencebasedmedicine.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ ? p = 3235 # more-3235 [ sciencebasedmedicine.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=3235#more-3235 [sciencebasedmedicine.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30598736</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe for dementia patients...</title>
	<author>invisik</author>
	<datestamp>1259830980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've taken similar herbals expecting the same or better results and not realized any.</p><p>I take a 90mg gelcap and the effect lasts for about 3 hours every time.</p><p>It's pretty predictable to be placebo.</p><p>Again, from what I've learned it's a circulation issue.  Ginkgo increases circulation to the brain and other extremities and that helps your cognitive function.  I don't have any issues with my extremities so I can't comment about that.</p><p>My wife tried some (she is typically very focused already) and she said it had no effect.  So I'd agree that it doesn't work for everyone but does for some.</p><p>-m</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've taken similar herbals expecting the same or better results and not realized any.I take a 90mg gelcap and the effect lasts for about 3 hours every time.It 's pretty predictable to be placebo.Again , from what I 've learned it 's a circulation issue .
Ginkgo increases circulation to the brain and other extremities and that helps your cognitive function .
I do n't have any issues with my extremities so I ca n't comment about that.My wife tried some ( she is typically very focused already ) and she said it had no effect .
So I 'd agree that it does n't work for everyone but does for some.-m</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've taken similar herbals expecting the same or better results and not realized any.I take a 90mg gelcap and the effect lasts for about 3 hours every time.It's pretty predictable to be placebo.Again, from what I've learned it's a circulation issue.
Ginkgo increases circulation to the brain and other extremities and that helps your cognitive function.
I don't have any issues with my extremities so I can't comment about that.My wife tried some (she is typically very focused already) and she said it had no effect.
So I'd agree that it doesn't work for everyone but does for some.-m</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597840</id>
	<title>Re:So what exactly then...</title>
	<author>jollyreaper</author>
	<datestamp>1259870760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Ginkgo Balboa is clinically proven to improve your boxing skills...</p></div><p>And Ginko Bilboa is clinically proven to get you there and back again.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Ginkgo Balboa is clinically proven to improve your boxing skills...And Ginko Bilboa is clinically proven to get you there and back again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ginkgo Balboa is clinically proven to improve your boxing skills...And Ginko Bilboa is clinically proven to get you there and back again.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595998</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise because of the dosage</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259864040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>We could copy this test and use 120 mg hamburgers to prove that fast food doesn't contribute to obesity too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We could copy this test and use 120 mg hamburgers to prove that fast food does n't contribute to obesity too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We could copy this test and use 120 mg hamburgers to prove that fast food doesn't contribute to obesity too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596466</id>
	<title>Targetting the wrong thing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259865420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>The double blind studies cited by GNC and the like for Ginko are for healthy adults, not 70+ year olds with dementia. It increases blood flow to the brain.</p><p>Fail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The double blind studies cited by GNC and the like for Ginko are for healthy adults , not 70 + year olds with dementia .
It increases blood flow to the brain.Fail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The double blind studies cited by GNC and the like for Ginko are for healthy adults, not 70+ year olds with dementia.
It increases blood flow to the brain.Fail.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595984</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise because of the dosage</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1259863980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I know there are still people that daily suck on raw coca leaves. And they don't consume the leaves, just (I imagine) a few milligrams of 'juice'. It's not killing or curing them. But is has made them coca addicts. Does that count?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know there are still people that daily suck on raw coca leaves .
And they do n't consume the leaves , just ( I imagine ) a few milligrams of 'juice' .
It 's not killing or curing them .
But is has made them coca addicts .
Does that count ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know there are still people that daily suck on raw coca leaves.
And they don't consume the leaves, just (I imagine) a few milligrams of 'juice'.
It's not killing or curing them.
But is has made them coca addicts.
Does that count?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30598154</id>
	<title>Re:Actually works to their advantage</title>
	<author>steelfood</author>
	<datestamp>1259871960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>That and people can lie about certain effects of certain herbs (not maliciously necessarily, but ignorantly). Doesn't mean the herb doesn't affect the system somehow, only that it doesn't do <i>that</i> particular thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That and people can lie about certain effects of certain herbs ( not maliciously necessarily , but ignorantly ) .
Does n't mean the herb does n't affect the system somehow , only that it does n't do that particular thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That and people can lie about certain effects of certain herbs (not maliciously necessarily, but ignorantly).
Doesn't mean the herb doesn't affect the system somehow, only that it doesn't do that particular thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597028</id>
	<title>Too old test group?</title>
	<author>mario\_grgic</author>
	<datestamp>1259867580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Could it be that the brains of the test subjects in this study are compromised by disease beyond repair and giving them Ginko at that stage doesn't do anything for them?</p><p>I always thought of Ginko in combination with Ginseng as a preventative measure rather than something you take to heal Alzheimer's or reverse it.</p><p>I think everyone agrees that Ginko with Ginseng does increase blood flow to the brain, which means more nutrients and more oxygen for the brain. Now this does not mean you will be smarter or suddenly have better memory. It only means that perhaps you have a better potential for those things. If you are a lazy ass, refusing to study or exercise your brain, then no drug will help.</p><p>On the other hand, Ginko and Ginseng do have side effects, too much stimulation to sleep and they give you jitters, and of course Ginseng is a blood thinner (just like Aspirin).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could it be that the brains of the test subjects in this study are compromised by disease beyond repair and giving them Ginko at that stage does n't do anything for them ? I always thought of Ginko in combination with Ginseng as a preventative measure rather than something you take to heal Alzheimer 's or reverse it.I think everyone agrees that Ginko with Ginseng does increase blood flow to the brain , which means more nutrients and more oxygen for the brain .
Now this does not mean you will be smarter or suddenly have better memory .
It only means that perhaps you have a better potential for those things .
If you are a lazy ass , refusing to study or exercise your brain , then no drug will help.On the other hand , Ginko and Ginseng do have side effects , too much stimulation to sleep and they give you jitters , and of course Ginseng is a blood thinner ( just like Aspirin ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could it be that the brains of the test subjects in this study are compromised by disease beyond repair and giving them Ginko at that stage doesn't do anything for them?I always thought of Ginko in combination with Ginseng as a preventative measure rather than something you take to heal Alzheimer's or reverse it.I think everyone agrees that Ginko with Ginseng does increase blood flow to the brain, which means more nutrients and more oxygen for the brain.
Now this does not mean you will be smarter or suddenly have better memory.
It only means that perhaps you have a better potential for those things.
If you are a lazy ass, refusing to study or exercise your brain, then no drug will help.On the other hand, Ginko and Ginseng do have side effects, too much stimulation to sleep and they give you jitters, and of course Ginseng is a blood thinner (just like Aspirin).</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What about in populations younger than 72?</title>
	<author>andrewagill</author>
	<datestamp>1259863800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wellp, it looks like that's a <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17480002?ordinalpos=1&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed\_ResultsPanel.Pubmed\_SingleItemSupl.Pubmed\_Discovery\_RA&amp;linkpos=5&amp;log$=relatedreviews&amp;logdbfrom=pubmed" title="nih.gov" rel="nofollow">negative</a> [nih.gov].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wellp , it looks like that 's a negative [ nih.gov ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wellp, it looks like that's a negative [nih.gov].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30602416</id>
	<title>Re:I recommend the book Natural Causes</title>
	<author>ChrisMaple</author>
	<datestamp>1259856420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How the hell many experiments do you need to see? I subscribe to <i>Life Extension</i>, and it's common to see over 100 references in one article.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How the hell many experiments do you need to see ?
I subscribe to Life Extension , and it 's common to see over 100 references in one article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How the hell many experiments do you need to see?
I subscribe to Life Extension, and it's common to see over 100 references in one article.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30602100</id>
	<title>Re:Medical conspiracy!</title>
	<author>Thing 1</author>
	<datestamp>1259853180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Heck I literally remember [...]</p></div>
</blockquote><p>Intriguing!  How do you figuratively remember?  ("She looked good?")</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Heck I literally remember [ ... ] Intriguing !
How do you figuratively remember ?
( " She looked good ?
" )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heck I literally remember [...]
Intriguing!
How do you figuratively remember?
("She looked good?
")
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595234</id>
	<title>Ginko has a different effect on me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259861760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have noticed that when I take it, I am more "motivated". I get up out of my chair and do stuff, rather than surf, say, slashdot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have noticed that when I take it , I am more " motivated " .
I get up out of my chair and do stuff , rather than surf , say , slashdot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have noticed that when I take it, I am more "motivated".
I get up out of my chair and do stuff, rather than surf, say, slashdot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595396</id>
	<title>Explains things...</title>
	<author>Bobb Sledd</author>
	<datestamp>1259862240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well that explains why I can't remember where I put my Gingko.  </p><p>Seriously though, I had a suspicion 10 years ago when I took it, I couldn't see any difference either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well that explains why I ca n't remember where I put my Gingko .
Seriously though , I had a suspicion 10 years ago when I took it , I could n't see any difference either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well that explains why I can't remember where I put my Gingko.
Seriously though, I had a suspicion 10 years ago when I took it, I couldn't see any difference either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597458</id>
	<title>Re:So what does work? Any advice?</title>
	<author>rainmaestro</author>
	<datestamp>1259869200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Honestly, it really isn't that complicated. Like most "problems", really.</p><p>--Eat healthy. You need the right balance of chemicals in the brain.<br>--Sleep more. Studies consistently show the link between sleep and memory. Doesn't have to be 8 hours. I recall hearing that sleep goes through 90-minute cycles, so a multiple of that might be optimal.<br>--Exercise. Increased cardiovascular fitness means more blood travels to the brain.</p><p>A normal body doesn't require any kind of special help to function well. Just like dieting. You lose weight by eating less and exercising, not by living off grapefruit or cutting out all carbs. Just let your body do what it was meant to do.</p><p>Now, if you have some sort of genetic anomaly, this may not apply.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly , it really is n't that complicated .
Like most " problems " , really.--Eat healthy .
You need the right balance of chemicals in the brain.--Sleep more .
Studies consistently show the link between sleep and memory .
Does n't have to be 8 hours .
I recall hearing that sleep goes through 90-minute cycles , so a multiple of that might be optimal.--Exercise .
Increased cardiovascular fitness means more blood travels to the brain.A normal body does n't require any kind of special help to function well .
Just like dieting .
You lose weight by eating less and exercising , not by living off grapefruit or cutting out all carbs .
Just let your body do what it was meant to do.Now , if you have some sort of genetic anomaly , this may not apply .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly, it really isn't that complicated.
Like most "problems", really.--Eat healthy.
You need the right balance of chemicals in the brain.--Sleep more.
Studies consistently show the link between sleep and memory.
Doesn't have to be 8 hours.
I recall hearing that sleep goes through 90-minute cycles, so a multiple of that might be optimal.--Exercise.
Increased cardiovascular fitness means more blood travels to the brain.A normal body doesn't require any kind of special help to function well.
Just like dieting.
You lose weight by eating less and exercising, not by living off grapefruit or cutting out all carbs.
Just let your body do what it was meant to do.Now, if you have some sort of genetic anomaly, this may not apply.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595920</id>
	<title>Re:That's just Western prejudice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259863800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Too. Damn. Funny.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Too .
Damn. Funny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too.
Damn. Funny.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597716</id>
	<title>Re:"Americans spent $107 million on it"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259870280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Real placebo is always better since it does not have side effects.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Real placebo is always better since it does not have side effects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Real placebo is always better since it does not have side effects.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596078</id>
	<title>All I ask is truth in advertising</title>
	<author>aarenz</author>
	<datestamp>1259864220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I dream of a day when products can only claim to do something that has been proven by unbiased testing. If the result that is desired is known and the testers understand that fact, they can make nearly any test say anything. Herbal items are not forced to be tested for safety or effectiveness. This is a problem since there are commercials and magazine articles that tout the benefits. If all of them were created to some standard and it was proven to work, then it is fine, otherwise they should just be able to say. This product may do something for some people and no more.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I dream of a day when products can only claim to do something that has been proven by unbiased testing .
If the result that is desired is known and the testers understand that fact , they can make nearly any test say anything .
Herbal items are not forced to be tested for safety or effectiveness .
This is a problem since there are commercials and magazine articles that tout the benefits .
If all of them were created to some standard and it was proven to work , then it is fine , otherwise they should just be able to say .
This product may do something for some people and no more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dream of a day when products can only claim to do something that has been proven by unbiased testing.
If the result that is desired is known and the testers understand that fact, they can make nearly any test say anything.
Herbal items are not forced to be tested for safety or effectiveness.
This is a problem since there are commercials and magazine articles that tout the benefits.
If all of them were created to some standard and it was proven to work, then it is fine, otherwise they should just be able to say.
This product may do something for some people and no more.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595958</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise because of the dosage</title>
	<author>blueg3</author>
	<datestamp>1259863920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the lethal dosage of nutmeg is about 3 nuts. Hemlock, some mushrooms, and some berries also have low lethal doses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the lethal dosage of nutmeg is about 3 nuts .
Hemlock , some mushrooms , and some berries also have low lethal doses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the lethal dosage of nutmeg is about 3 nuts.
Hemlock, some mushrooms, and some berries also have low lethal doses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595728</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe for dementia patients...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259863140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have this rock here that scares away tigers. Interested?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have this rock here that scares away tigers .
Interested ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have this rock here that scares away tigers.
Interested?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30598288</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting fact</title>
	<author>DNS-and-BIND</author>
	<datestamp>1259872320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Medicine has effects on disease.  Alternative medicine is called "dietary supplements" or "nutritional supplements" to avoid the extensive testing that real medicine must go through.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Medicine has effects on disease .
Alternative medicine is called " dietary supplements " or " nutritional supplements " to avoid the extensive testing that real medicine must go through .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Medicine has effects on disease.
Alternative medicine is called "dietary supplements" or "nutritional supplements" to avoid the extensive testing that real medicine must go through.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30600180</id>
	<title>Re:That's just Western prejudice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259838660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The testing really wasn't against what I've ever heard claimed about it though...</p><p>What I've heard is that Ginko improves memory as you age, by maintaining proper blood flow... (one full dose aspirin a day would be a good test for this too for maybe a 10-30 yr period..) They tested this on old people presumably that already have had cholesterol/other age related issues reduce blood flow and do damage/harm...</p><p>I've never heard any claim that Ginko can *reverse* this type of damage.. I've heard that *mega-doses* of Vitamin B and D *may* aid the brain in rerouting around damaged areas from lack of blood flow... Never heard any claims regarding Ginko in this regard..</p><p>So, this test just proved that the people conducting the test don't listen/read any actual claims and test against their own beliefs.. It does nothing to prove "anti-western-medicine quakes" wrong, because they didn't test against the claims...  A complete waste of money and time.. busy work, forum fodder, bullplop.. This was just someone that had grant money to burn and didn't want to lose it.. "Hey I need to spend this grant, or I won't get another! Crap! Let's test Ginko for something anyone w/ half a brain knows is IMPOSSIBLE! Step 3.. PROFIT!!!"</p><p>Nothing to see here, move along..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The testing really was n't against what I 've ever heard claimed about it though...What I 've heard is that Ginko improves memory as you age , by maintaining proper blood flow... ( one full dose aspirin a day would be a good test for this too for maybe a 10-30 yr period.. ) They tested this on old people presumably that already have had cholesterol/other age related issues reduce blood flow and do damage/harm...I 've never heard any claim that Ginko can * reverse * this type of damage.. I 've heard that * mega-doses * of Vitamin B and D * may * aid the brain in rerouting around damaged areas from lack of blood flow... Never heard any claims regarding Ginko in this regard..So , this test just proved that the people conducting the test do n't listen/read any actual claims and test against their own beliefs.. It does nothing to prove " anti-western-medicine quakes " wrong , because they did n't test against the claims... A complete waste of money and time.. busy work , forum fodder , bullplop.. This was just someone that had grant money to burn and did n't want to lose it.. " Hey I need to spend this grant , or I wo n't get another !
Crap ! Let 's test Ginko for something anyone w/ half a brain knows is IMPOSSIBLE !
Step 3. .
PROFIT ! ! ! " Nothing to see here , move along. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The testing really wasn't against what I've ever heard claimed about it though...What I've heard is that Ginko improves memory as you age, by maintaining proper blood flow... (one full dose aspirin a day would be a good test for this too for maybe a 10-30 yr period..) They tested this on old people presumably that already have had cholesterol/other age related issues reduce blood flow and do damage/harm...I've never heard any claim that Ginko can *reverse* this type of damage.. I've heard that *mega-doses* of Vitamin B and D *may* aid the brain in rerouting around damaged areas from lack of blood flow... Never heard any claims regarding Ginko in this regard..So, this test just proved that the people conducting the test don't listen/read any actual claims and test against their own beliefs.. It does nothing to prove "anti-western-medicine quakes" wrong, because they didn't test against the claims...  A complete waste of money and time.. busy work, forum fodder, bullplop.. This was just someone that had grant money to burn and didn't want to lose it.. "Hey I need to spend this grant, or I won't get another!
Crap! Let's test Ginko for something anyone w/ half a brain knows is IMPOSSIBLE!
Step 3..
PROFIT!!!"Nothing to see here, move along..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595796</id>
	<title>Swear by ginko, swear at creationists</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259863380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How many believers in ginko biloba go on an utter "They're SOOO stupid!!!" rant against creationists?</p><p>I see no difference between "faith medicine" and "faith biology".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How many believers in ginko biloba go on an utter " They 're SOOO stupid ! ! !
" rant against creationists ? I see no difference between " faith medicine " and " faith biology " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many believers in ginko biloba go on an utter "They're SOOO stupid!!!
" rant against creationists?I see no difference between "faith medicine" and "faith biology".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595782</id>
	<title>Re:Actually works to their advantage</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1259863320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On the other hand, St. John's Wort has been proven as effective at treating depression as Paxil. So you can't lump all the herbals together. Just because Ginko doesn't work doesn't mean no herbs work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On the other hand , St. John 's Wort has been proven as effective at treating depression as Paxil .
So you ca n't lump all the herbals together .
Just because Ginko does n't work does n't mean no herbs work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the other hand, St. John's Wort has been proven as effective at treating depression as Paxil.
So you can't lump all the herbals together.
Just because Ginko doesn't work doesn't mean no herbs work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30603982</id>
	<title>gingko</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262258520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>unfortunately they are investigating the wrong things. what should be investigated are the abilities of some chemicals in gingko that act as FAAH inhibitors, like kaempferol, could lead to good non-addictive analgesics or antidepressants.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>unfortunately they are investigating the wrong things .
what should be investigated are the abilities of some chemicals in gingko that act as FAAH inhibitors , like kaempferol , could lead to good non-addictive analgesics or antidepressants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>unfortunately they are investigating the wrong things.
what should be investigated are the abilities of some chemicals in gingko that act as FAAH inhibitors, like kaempferol, could lead to good non-addictive analgesics or antidepressants.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596470</id>
	<title>Re:That's just Western prejudice</title>
	<author>nasch</author>
	<datestamp>1259865420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you should probably just get a new sarcasm detector.  Yours may be beyond repair.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you should probably just get a new sarcasm detector .
Yours may be beyond repair .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you should probably just get a new sarcasm detector.
Yours may be beyond repair.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596812</id>
	<title>Re:Actually works to their advantage</title>
	<author>Onymous Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1259866740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>it has the added bonus of being impossible to know exactly how much of the drug you are taking, as concentrations will vary wildly by plant/time of year/soil</p></div><p>I didn't see this information in your source link.</p><p>Anyway, it seems pretty plausible that batches can be tested and normalized, no?  I've seen bottles of herbal supplements with the active compounds rated in milligrams.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>it has the added bonus of being impossible to know exactly how much of the drug you are taking , as concentrations will vary wildly by plant/time of year/soilI did n't see this information in your source link.Anyway , it seems pretty plausible that batches can be tested and normalized , no ?
I 've seen bottles of herbal supplements with the active compounds rated in milligrams .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it has the added bonus of being impossible to know exactly how much of the drug you are taking, as concentrations will vary wildly by plant/time of year/soilI didn't see this information in your source link.Anyway, it seems pretty plausible that batches can be tested and normalized, no?
I've seen bottles of herbal supplements with the active compounds rated in milligrams.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597540</id>
	<title>Re:That's just Western prejudice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259869620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unfortunately, this day and age you can find a scientist willing to write anything about 'anything', positive and negative...<br> <br>

Unfortunately again, most studies restrict the tests so much (in order to see and identify results) that in most cases the very process of trying to observe and isolate an action or reaction causes the test to fail....
<br> <br>
That being said, having had the experience of having my mental faculties affected by intensive surgery. Causing a major issue with short term memory, I can certainly vouch for the efficacy of Ginko and so can my wife as I usually become quickly identified by her if I have not taken my Ginko for the day.
<br> <br>
Lastly, like everything else, not all Ginko is the same. Over the last 15 years I've tried quite a few brands and some work very well, and others not at all. For the most part one gets what one pays for... so had they cut corners and used a low end product, that by itself would have dramatically affected the outcome.
<br> <br>
The real funny/sad thing is, that scientists are only just now starting to move from the chemical to the energy phase of how things interact. They unfortunately think of themselves as omnipotent in their studies, but are also quickly becoming dinosaurs.... eventually we may have people who can evaluate the whole picture, but I don't think they are quite there yet.... hence these all encompassing statements of "It doesn't work" by our scientific community, on all sorts of subjects....</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , this day and age you can find a scientist willing to write anything about 'anything ' , positive and negative.. . Unfortunately again , most studies restrict the tests so much ( in order to see and identify results ) that in most cases the very process of trying to observe and isolate an action or reaction causes the test to fail... . That being said , having had the experience of having my mental faculties affected by intensive surgery .
Causing a major issue with short term memory , I can certainly vouch for the efficacy of Ginko and so can my wife as I usually become quickly identified by her if I have not taken my Ginko for the day .
Lastly , like everything else , not all Ginko is the same .
Over the last 15 years I 've tried quite a few brands and some work very well , and others not at all .
For the most part one gets what one pays for... so had they cut corners and used a low end product , that by itself would have dramatically affected the outcome .
The real funny/sad thing is , that scientists are only just now starting to move from the chemical to the energy phase of how things interact .
They unfortunately think of themselves as omnipotent in their studies , but are also quickly becoming dinosaurs.... eventually we may have people who can evaluate the whole picture , but I do n't think they are quite there yet.... hence these all encompassing statements of " It does n't work " by our scientific community , on all sorts of subjects... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, this day and age you can find a scientist willing to write anything about 'anything', positive and negative... 

Unfortunately again, most studies restrict the tests so much (in order to see and identify results) that in most cases the very process of trying to observe and isolate an action or reaction causes the test to fail....
 
That being said, having had the experience of having my mental faculties affected by intensive surgery.
Causing a major issue with short term memory, I can certainly vouch for the efficacy of Ginko and so can my wife as I usually become quickly identified by her if I have not taken my Ginko for the day.
Lastly, like everything else, not all Ginko is the same.
Over the last 15 years I've tried quite a few brands and some work very well, and others not at all.
For the most part one gets what one pays for... so had they cut corners and used a low end product, that by itself would have dramatically affected the outcome.
The real funny/sad thing is, that scientists are only just now starting to move from the chemical to the energy phase of how things interact.
They unfortunately think of themselves as omnipotent in their studies, but are also quickly becoming dinosaurs.... eventually we may have people who can evaluate the whole picture, but I don't think they are quite there yet.... hence these all encompassing statements of "It doesn't work" by our scientific community, on all sorts of subjects....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597962</id>
	<title>Re:Ginko has a different effect on me</title>
	<author>operagost</author>
	<datestamp>1259871240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Did you run out today?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you run out today ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you run out today?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596678</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise because of the dosage</title>
	<author>ITMagic</author>
	<datestamp>1259866200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You either have not read the article, or have no concept of pharmacology (or, possibly, both).</p><p>The quantity of 240mg per day is meaningless. What we are interested in is: 240mg *of what*?
Try taking a daily dose of 240mg of Foxglove extract; or Ergot infected wheat. I think you'll find quite a profound effect!</p><p>This particular study used "Ginko Biloba Extract". All well and good - but what, precisely, was extracted (and what was, therefore, thrown away)? From the manufacturers website:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>One ton (1,000 kg) of the dried leaves yields only 20 kg of EGb 761&#174; <a href="http://www.schwabepharma.com/international/products/tebonin/index.php" title="schwabepharma.com" rel="nofollow">Ref.</a> [schwabepharma.com]</p> </div><p><div class="quote"><p>contains approximately 24\% flavone glycosides (primarily quercetin, kaempferol and isorhamnetin) and 6\% terpene lactones (2.8-3.4\% ginkgolides A, B and C, and 2.6-3.2\% bilobalide). Ginkgolide B and bilobalide account for about 0.8\% and 3\% of the total extract, respectively. <a href="http://www.nootropics.com/ginkgo-biloba/ginkor.html" title="nootropics.com" rel="nofollow">Ref.</a> [nootropics.com]</p> </div><p>Therefore, by my maths, this study used an extract equivalent to 12 gram of dried leaf per day; a pretty reasonable dose - certainly considering that the same company sells 40mg capsules of EGb 761&#174;. More importantly, patients received a *standardised* extract; We're not talking about Holland &amp; Barrett bargain cheapo tea-leaves here!</p><p>It's a rather interesting article. Rather less surprisingly, the manufacturer of the product used in the study has not updated their "latest News" section to include these results!</p></div>
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<tokenext>You either have not read the article , or have no concept of pharmacology ( or , possibly , both ) .The quantity of 240mg per day is meaningless .
What we are interested in is : 240mg * of what * ?
Try taking a daily dose of 240mg of Foxglove extract ; or Ergot infected wheat .
I think you 'll find quite a profound effect ! This particular study used " Ginko Biloba Extract " .
All well and good - but what , precisely , was extracted ( and what was , therefore , thrown away ) ?
From the manufacturers website : One ton ( 1,000 kg ) of the dried leaves yields only 20 kg of EGb 761   Ref .
[ schwabepharma.com ] contains approximately 24 \ % flavone glycosides ( primarily quercetin , kaempferol and isorhamnetin ) and 6 \ % terpene lactones ( 2.8-3.4 \ % ginkgolides A , B and C , and 2.6-3.2 \ % bilobalide ) .
Ginkgolide B and bilobalide account for about 0.8 \ % and 3 \ % of the total extract , respectively .
Ref. [ nootropics.com ] Therefore , by my maths , this study used an extract equivalent to 12 gram of dried leaf per day ; a pretty reasonable dose - certainly considering that the same company sells 40mg capsules of EGb 761   .
More importantly , patients received a * standardised * extract ; We 're not talking about Holland &amp; Barrett bargain cheapo tea-leaves here ! It 's a rather interesting article .
Rather less surprisingly , the manufacturer of the product used in the study has not updated their " latest News " section to include these results !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You either have not read the article, or have no concept of pharmacology (or, possibly, both).The quantity of 240mg per day is meaningless.
What we are interested in is: 240mg *of what*?
Try taking a daily dose of 240mg of Foxglove extract; or Ergot infected wheat.
I think you'll find quite a profound effect!This particular study used "Ginko Biloba Extract".
All well and good - but what, precisely, was extracted (and what was, therefore, thrown away)?
From the manufacturers website:One ton (1,000 kg) of the dried leaves yields only 20 kg of EGb 761® Ref.
[schwabepharma.com] contains approximately 24\% flavone glycosides (primarily quercetin, kaempferol and isorhamnetin) and 6\% terpene lactones (2.8-3.4\% ginkgolides A, B and C, and 2.6-3.2\% bilobalide).
Ginkgolide B and bilobalide account for about 0.8\% and 3\% of the total extract, respectively.
Ref. [nootropics.com] Therefore, by my maths, this study used an extract equivalent to 12 gram of dried leaf per day; a pretty reasonable dose - certainly considering that the same company sells 40mg capsules of EGb 761®.
More importantly, patients received a *standardised* extract; We're not talking about Holland &amp; Barrett bargain cheapo tea-leaves here!It's a rather interesting article.
Rather less surprisingly, the manufacturer of the product used in the study has not updated their "latest News" section to include these results!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30601284</id>
	<title>Re:That's just Western prejudice</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1259846100000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's just Western prejudice</p></div><p>Actually, it is.</p><p>I recall hearing that it had to be higher doses - as much as 3000mg/day - to see an effect.</p><p>Of course, 3000mg/day has been labelled dangerous to your health. The amounts that have been labelled safe by the FDA and drug companies are so far below, that even if there was an effect you wouldn't see it.</p><p>I'm tired of bullshit studies like this.</p><p>Disclaimer: I don't believe in Ginkgo - but I'm really tired of these bullshit studies that get cited as proof until the end of time. Want to do it properly to actually dispute the claims? Try it on people aged 30-50 with doses over 2000mg.</p><p>I bet there's a study that tiny amounts of radiation are good for you. Of course, when you up the dose, that completely flips around.</p></div>
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<tokenext>That 's just Western prejudiceActually , it is.I recall hearing that it had to be higher doses - as much as 3000mg/day - to see an effect.Of course , 3000mg/day has been labelled dangerous to your health .
The amounts that have been labelled safe by the FDA and drug companies are so far below , that even if there was an effect you would n't see it.I 'm tired of bullshit studies like this.Disclaimer : I do n't believe in Ginkgo - but I 'm really tired of these bullshit studies that get cited as proof until the end of time .
Want to do it properly to actually dispute the claims ?
Try it on people aged 30-50 with doses over 2000mg.I bet there 's a study that tiny amounts of radiation are good for you .
Of course , when you up the dose , that completely flips around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's just Western prejudiceActually, it is.I recall hearing that it had to be higher doses - as much as 3000mg/day - to see an effect.Of course, 3000mg/day has been labelled dangerous to your health.
The amounts that have been labelled safe by the FDA and drug companies are so far below, that even if there was an effect you wouldn't see it.I'm tired of bullshit studies like this.Disclaimer: I don't believe in Ginkgo - but I'm really tired of these bullshit studies that get cited as proof until the end of time.
Want to do it properly to actually dispute the claims?
Try it on people aged 30-50 with doses over 2000mg.I bet there's a study that tiny amounts of radiation are good for you.
Of course, when you up the dose, that completely flips around.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597042</id>
	<title>What's the dose again?</title>
	<author>sdturf</author>
	<datestamp>1259867640000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I have some experience with alternative health measures and do not believe that ginkgo does much good for memory, either. However, this story does not prove it.

Was this study funded, directly or indirectly, by some organization that has a stake in a poor outcome? Were the study participants provided the supplement (I would assume so since they took "two 120-milligram capsules of ginkgo a day".  Most ginkgo biloba products are a 50:1 extract of guaranteed potency, although I suppose you could find capsules of the plain herb at Walmart or the drug store, but why did they conduct a study effectively using 50 times less of the active ingredients than is typically recommended?

Looks to be the same as other "studies" conducted that use tiny amounts of the subject ingredient, such as studies on vitamin C which use 30mg per day and declare that it has no effect on X, and allows doctors to state authoritatively that vitamin C does no good for X.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have some experience with alternative health measures and do not believe that ginkgo does much good for memory , either .
However , this story does not prove it .
Was this study funded , directly or indirectly , by some organization that has a stake in a poor outcome ?
Were the study participants provided the supplement ( I would assume so since they took " two 120-milligram capsules of ginkgo a day " .
Most ginkgo biloba products are a 50 : 1 extract of guaranteed potency , although I suppose you could find capsules of the plain herb at Walmart or the drug store , but why did they conduct a study effectively using 50 times less of the active ingredients than is typically recommended ?
Looks to be the same as other " studies " conducted that use tiny amounts of the subject ingredient , such as studies on vitamin C which use 30mg per day and declare that it has no effect on X , and allows doctors to state authoritatively that vitamin C does no good for X .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have some experience with alternative health measures and do not believe that ginkgo does much good for memory, either.
However, this story does not prove it.
Was this study funded, directly or indirectly, by some organization that has a stake in a poor outcome?
Were the study participants provided the supplement (I would assume so since they took "two 120-milligram capsules of ginkgo a day".
Most ginkgo biloba products are a 50:1 extract of guaranteed potency, although I suppose you could find capsules of the plain herb at Walmart or the drug store, but why did they conduct a study effectively using 50 times less of the active ingredients than is typically recommended?
Looks to be the same as other "studies" conducted that use tiny amounts of the subject ingredient, such as studies on vitamin C which use 30mg per day and declare that it has no effect on X, and allows doctors to state authoritatively that vitamin C does no good for X.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595430</id>
	<title>Back to the real thang</title>
	<author>oldhack</author>
	<datestamp>1259862300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Smoke and coffee.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Smoke and coffee .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Smoke and coffee.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Giaia calls BS on the study</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259869380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>This study is BS. Gingko does work. Just that it was instructed by its Giaia Mother to play dumb when subject to stupid tests by unbelieving labcoats aka Pharma Mafia minions</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This study is BS .
Gingko does work .
Just that it was instructed by its Giaia Mother to play dumb when subject to stupid tests by unbelieving labcoats aka Pharma Mafia minions</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This study is BS.
Gingko does work.
Just that it was instructed by its Giaia Mother to play dumb when subject to stupid tests by unbelieving labcoats aka Pharma Mafia minions</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30603142</id>
	<title>The Tragedy of "The Average" in Practical Medicine</title>
	<author>iliketrash</author>
	<datestamp>1259865240000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I have used ginkgo biloba and for me, it indeed does work. I don't notice it affecting me until I need to think (e.g., it doesn't make me jittery like caffeine can) but then it is like the skids of my mind are greased. I am 54 years old.</p><p>I appreciate that people doing medical research have a hard task, and finding answers to questions such as this can be interesting work, but in a subtle way, once "the answer" is found and practitioners incorporate the findings into their practices, many patients can be harmed. Here's why, and I'll use the ginkbo biloba study cited. A large (ideally) population is studied for a single variable, in this case, susceptibility to ginkgo biloba with respect to cognitive function. The "result" is determined (in this case, it doesn't do anything \_on average\_) and from that point forward every person is considered average in that one variable. In other words, some people in the study might have been helped by the substance in question while others were not helped or were harmed. But when you go to your doctor, he/she doesn't test you to see which group you fall into: you are automatically assumed to be "average."</p><p>This is possibly the single biggest flaw in the practice of medicine today. In the future, one would hope that more personalized medicine will be practiced as knowledge increases and as individualized (e.g., DNA) testing are available. But it is also possible that a tragic delay will be inserted into the system as governments establish more and more panels to determine the averages and to penalize physicians for practicing outside of the government-mandated guidelines which are set for that average. This is currently being planned in the United States.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have used ginkgo biloba and for me , it indeed does work .
I do n't notice it affecting me until I need to think ( e.g. , it does n't make me jittery like caffeine can ) but then it is like the skids of my mind are greased .
I am 54 years old.I appreciate that people doing medical research have a hard task , and finding answers to questions such as this can be interesting work , but in a subtle way , once " the answer " is found and practitioners incorporate the findings into their practices , many patients can be harmed .
Here 's why , and I 'll use the ginkbo biloba study cited .
A large ( ideally ) population is studied for a single variable , in this case , susceptibility to ginkgo biloba with respect to cognitive function .
The " result " is determined ( in this case , it does n't do anything \ _on average \ _ ) and from that point forward every person is considered average in that one variable .
In other words , some people in the study might have been helped by the substance in question while others were not helped or were harmed .
But when you go to your doctor , he/she does n't test you to see which group you fall into : you are automatically assumed to be " average .
" This is possibly the single biggest flaw in the practice of medicine today .
In the future , one would hope that more personalized medicine will be practiced as knowledge increases and as individualized ( e.g. , DNA ) testing are available .
But it is also possible that a tragic delay will be inserted into the system as governments establish more and more panels to determine the averages and to penalize physicians for practicing outside of the government-mandated guidelines which are set for that average .
This is currently being planned in the United States .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have used ginkgo biloba and for me, it indeed does work.
I don't notice it affecting me until I need to think (e.g., it doesn't make me jittery like caffeine can) but then it is like the skids of my mind are greased.
I am 54 years old.I appreciate that people doing medical research have a hard task, and finding answers to questions such as this can be interesting work, but in a subtle way, once "the answer" is found and practitioners incorporate the findings into their practices, many patients can be harmed.
Here's why, and I'll use the ginkbo biloba study cited.
A large (ideally) population is studied for a single variable, in this case, susceptibility to ginkgo biloba with respect to cognitive function.
The "result" is determined (in this case, it doesn't do anything \_on average\_) and from that point forward every person is considered average in that one variable.
In other words, some people in the study might have been helped by the substance in question while others were not helped or were harmed.
But when you go to your doctor, he/she doesn't test you to see which group you fall into: you are automatically assumed to be "average.
"This is possibly the single biggest flaw in the practice of medicine today.
In the future, one would hope that more personalized medicine will be practiced as knowledge increases and as individualized (e.g., DNA) testing are available.
But it is also possible that a tragic delay will be inserted into the system as governments establish more and more panels to determine the averages and to penalize physicians for practicing outside of the government-mandated guidelines which are set for that average.
This is currently being planned in the United States.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30602874</id>
	<title>You can't trust both</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1259861760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>What if the Ginkgo really works in a mysterious way which the current technology/analysis can't figure out, e.g. a very complex side effect and these scientists have actually breaks treatment of some clever patients who are wise to keep in "tested chemical drugs" but add Ginkgo to their treatment, consulting their doctor first?</p><p>As I see some real robbery scheme (overpriced natural pills) being in action globally, we can also argue about the mysterious ways of gigantic "real pill" companies. Why the heck I have to read "miracles" of Aspirin every day? Especially if I have a potentially bad stomach and Aspirin, in very unfortunate conditions can kill me in matter of hours? When will these "doctors" talk about it and debunk those billion dollar company backed claims?</p><p>What to do if you read Ginkgo doesn't work, Aspirin or some more advanced pill does miracles? Just keep ignoring it, it is your doctor's business, not you.</p><p>I can just tell these scientists that nobody died because of ginkgo tea. Can they claim the same for OTC pills? For example, what does unneeded amounts of Vitamin A does? What happens if you give "aspirin"just in case to a unlucky guy who lives alone, uses alcohol, sleeps alone and he takes it with empty stomach who just happens to have ulcer risk?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if the Ginkgo really works in a mysterious way which the current technology/analysis ca n't figure out , e.g .
a very complex side effect and these scientists have actually breaks treatment of some clever patients who are wise to keep in " tested chemical drugs " but add Ginkgo to their treatment , consulting their doctor first ? As I see some real robbery scheme ( overpriced natural pills ) being in action globally , we can also argue about the mysterious ways of gigantic " real pill " companies .
Why the heck I have to read " miracles " of Aspirin every day ?
Especially if I have a potentially bad stomach and Aspirin , in very unfortunate conditions can kill me in matter of hours ?
When will these " doctors " talk about it and debunk those billion dollar company backed claims ? What to do if you read Ginkgo does n't work , Aspirin or some more advanced pill does miracles ?
Just keep ignoring it , it is your doctor 's business , not you.I can just tell these scientists that nobody died because of ginkgo tea .
Can they claim the same for OTC pills ?
For example , what does unneeded amounts of Vitamin A does ?
What happens if you give " aspirin " just in case to a unlucky guy who lives alone , uses alcohol , sleeps alone and he takes it with empty stomach who just happens to have ulcer risk ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if the Ginkgo really works in a mysterious way which the current technology/analysis can't figure out, e.g.
a very complex side effect and these scientists have actually breaks treatment of some clever patients who are wise to keep in "tested chemical drugs" but add Ginkgo to their treatment, consulting their doctor first?As I see some real robbery scheme (overpriced natural pills) being in action globally, we can also argue about the mysterious ways of gigantic "real pill" companies.
Why the heck I have to read "miracles" of Aspirin every day?
Especially if I have a potentially bad stomach and Aspirin, in very unfortunate conditions can kill me in matter of hours?
When will these "doctors" talk about it and debunk those billion dollar company backed claims?What to do if you read Ginkgo doesn't work, Aspirin or some more advanced pill does miracles?
Just keep ignoring it, it is your doctor's business, not you.I can just tell these scientists that nobody died because of ginkgo tea.
Can they claim the same for OTC pills?
For example, what does unneeded amounts of Vitamin A does?
What happens if you give "aspirin"just in case to a unlucky guy who lives alone, uses alcohol, sleeps alone and he takes it with empty stomach who just happens to have ulcer risk?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Ginko has a different effect on me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259862720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Exercise will have the same effect on you and improve your health.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Exercise will have the same effect on you and improve your health .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exercise will have the same effect on you and improve your health.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30598806</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise because of the dosage</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259831220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Never mind then that Vitamin C (arguably an 'unrefined plant material')</p></div><p>Ahem.</p><p>Vitamin C is a concentrated material, not a raw material. You still have to drink almost a cup of lemon juice to get 100mg of Vitamin C. (112.24mg to the cup, precisely.)</p></div>
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<tokenext>Never mind then that Vitamin C ( arguably an 'unrefined plant material ' ) Ahem.Vitamin C is a concentrated material , not a raw material .
You still have to drink almost a cup of lemon juice to get 100mg of Vitamin C. ( 112.24mg to the cup , precisely .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never mind then that Vitamin C (arguably an 'unrefined plant material')Ahem.Vitamin C is a concentrated material, not a raw material.
You still have to drink almost a cup of lemon juice to get 100mg of Vitamin C. (112.24mg to the cup, precisely.
)
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	<title>Re:No surprise because of the dosage</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1259866560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>"As always, science is all about how you split the hair"</p><p>No it's not.</p><p>Anyways, here is a good write up on the study:</p><p><a href="http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=3235#more-3235" title="sciencebasedmedicine.org">http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=3235#more-3235</a> [sciencebasedmedicine.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" As always , science is all about how you split the hair " No it 's not.Anyways , here is a good write up on the study : http : //www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ ? p = 3235 # more-3235 [ sciencebasedmedicine.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"As always, science is all about how you split the hair"No it's not.Anyways, here is a good write up on the study:http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=3235#more-3235 [sciencebasedmedicine.org]</sentencetext>
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	<title>memory no... blood flow very much so</title>
	<author>McNihil</author>
	<datestamp>1259862120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Aspirin or Ginko?</p><p><a href="http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/ginkgo-biloba-000247.htm" title="umm.edu">http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/ginkgo-biloba-000247.htm</a> [umm.edu]</p><p>Better concentration (some subjects thinking that that is one of the memory functions) could be a side effect of them not having headaches due to hypertension. Sample set yadi yada and so on.... statistics and damned lies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Aspirin or Ginko ? http : //www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/ginkgo-biloba-000247.htm [ umm.edu ] Better concentration ( some subjects thinking that that is one of the memory functions ) could be a side effect of them not having headaches due to hypertension .
Sample set yadi yada and so on.... statistics and damned lies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aspirin or Ginko?http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/ginkgo-biloba-000247.htm [umm.edu]Better concentration (some subjects thinking that that is one of the memory functions) could be a side effect of them not having headaches due to hypertension.
Sample set yadi yada and so on.... statistics and damned lies.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595272</id>
	<title>"Americans spent $107 million on it"</title>
	<author>sakdoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1259861880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Holy shit, that's a lot of placebo.<br>But just wait until I convince everyone to eat my lawn. I'll be rich!</p><p>Oh wait<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... <a href="http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/pages/product\_detail.asp?pid=138" title="hollandandbarrett.com">http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/pages/product\_detail.asp?pid=138</a> [hollandandbarrett.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Holy shit , that 's a lot of placebo.But just wait until I convince everyone to eat my lawn .
I 'll be rich ! Oh wait ... http : //www.hollandandbarrett.com/pages/product \ _detail.asp ? pid = 138 [ hollandandbarrett.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Holy shit, that's a lot of placebo.But just wait until I convince everyone to eat my lawn.
I'll be rich!Oh wait ... http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/pages/product\_detail.asp?pid=138 [hollandandbarrett.com]</sentencetext>
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	<title>I recommend the book Natural Causes</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1259864340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I read the book <a href="http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780767926362" title="randomhouse.com">Natural Causes</a> [randomhouse.com] a while back and it opened my eyes to the sham that the supplement industry is. Note I said industry, not supplements. I'm sure some of these things have useful effects, and would love to see more experiments performed to determine what they are. Until then, I won't ever touch them again, including even multivitamins.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I read the book Natural Causes [ randomhouse.com ] a while back and it opened my eyes to the sham that the supplement industry is .
Note I said industry , not supplements .
I 'm sure some of these things have useful effects , and would love to see more experiments performed to determine what they are .
Until then , I wo n't ever touch them again , including even multivitamins .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read the book Natural Causes [randomhouse.com] a while back and it opened my eyes to the sham that the supplement industry is.
Note I said industry, not supplements.
I'm sure some of these things have useful effects, and would love to see more experiments performed to determine what they are.
Until then, I won't ever touch them again, including even multivitamins.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596204</id>
	<title>Re:Medical conspiracy!</title>
	<author>The Flymaster</author>
	<datestamp>1259864580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, not to speak for ginko or non-science, but it's not like eating weeds that grow in exotic jungles hasn't helped save a life or two.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , not to speak for ginko or non-science , but it 's not like eating weeds that grow in exotic jungles has n't helped save a life or two .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, not to speak for ginko or non-science, but it's not like eating weeds that grow in exotic jungles hasn't helped save a life or two.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595586</id>
	<title>All I know is ....</title>
	<author>thedbp</author>
	<datestamp>1259862780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait, what were we talking about?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , what were we talking about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, what were we talking about?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597512</id>
	<title>Re:You know what else it's good for though, right?</title>
	<author>abigor</author>
	<datestamp>1259869500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same with argenine, which I'm taking for a soft-tissue injury. It acts as a vasodilator, and there's evidence the increased blood flow to normally low blood flow tissues like tendons and ligaments can help heal them faster.</p><p>But all that blood flow has another effect as well...makes me wonder what stuff like Viagra and Cialis are actually like, given the effects of this stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same with argenine , which I 'm taking for a soft-tissue injury .
It acts as a vasodilator , and there 's evidence the increased blood flow to normally low blood flow tissues like tendons and ligaments can help heal them faster.But all that blood flow has another effect as well...makes me wonder what stuff like Viagra and Cialis are actually like , given the effects of this stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same with argenine, which I'm taking for a soft-tissue injury.
It acts as a vasodilator, and there's evidence the increased blood flow to normally low blood flow tissues like tendons and ligaments can help heal them faster.But all that blood flow has another effect as well...makes me wonder what stuff like Viagra and Cialis are actually like, given the effects of this stuff.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596194</id>
	<title>Re:Actually works to their advantage</title>
	<author>swb</author>
	<datestamp>1259864580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So that means that Paxil is equally ineffective?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So that means that Paxil is equally ineffective ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So that means that Paxil is equally ineffective?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595488</id>
	<title>Re:Ginko has a different effect on me</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1259862480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, that or you just assume that's the effect it will have on you, and so you behave accordingly.</p><p>But, hey, who am I to argue with a placebo effect that works for you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , that or you just assume that 's the effect it will have on you , and so you behave accordingly.But , hey , who am I to argue with a placebo effect that works for you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, that or you just assume that's the effect it will have on you, and so you behave accordingly.But, hey, who am I to argue with a placebo effect that works for you?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597084</id>
	<title>Re:Medical conspiracy!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259867760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dunno about exotic jungles...but Ginko grows all over Ohio.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno about exotic jungles...but Ginko grows all over Ohio .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno about exotic jungles...but Ginko grows all over Ohio.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595696</id>
	<title>Interesting fact</title>
	<author>static416</author>
	<datestamp>1259863020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>You know what they call alternative medicine that works?.... Medicine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know what they call alternative medicine that works ? ... .
Medicine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know what they call alternative medicine that works?....
Medicine.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30595980</id>
	<title>Technical translation follows</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259863980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So the translation is simply put as....Ginkgo, is a Stink'oh</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So the translation is simply put as....Ginkgo , is a Stink'oh</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the translation is simply put as....Ginkgo, is a Stink'oh</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30598358</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise because of the dosage</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1259872620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Umm, two 120 mg pills is 240 mg per day. You shouldn't assume that they eat only half of each pill.</p><p>Anyway, the dosage is within the values that the supplient makers define for usage on the labels. Should the study have ignored what the people selling it say is the correct dosage?</p><p>Lets see, you think 4kg is the correct amount for a daily dosage, which means that they need to take (4kg / 120mg) = 33,333 pills a day. Somehow I don't think you'll see that dosage rate on the bottles. If your bottle held 100 pills, you'd be using 333 bottles a day. Even if there were 1000 pills per bottle, that would still be 33 bottles a day. Still a lot more than I'd want to try to swallow.</p><p>That's what you get from the "suppliment" supporters. If it doesn't work, it's not the suppliments fault, it's those 3000 people in the study who all did it wrong. Not a single one used it right.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm , two 120 mg pills is 240 mg per day .
You should n't assume that they eat only half of each pill.Anyway , the dosage is within the values that the supplient makers define for usage on the labels .
Should the study have ignored what the people selling it say is the correct dosage ? Lets see , you think 4kg is the correct amount for a daily dosage , which means that they need to take ( 4kg / 120mg ) = 33,333 pills a day .
Somehow I do n't think you 'll see that dosage rate on the bottles .
If your bottle held 100 pills , you 'd be using 333 bottles a day .
Even if there were 1000 pills per bottle , that would still be 33 bottles a day .
Still a lot more than I 'd want to try to swallow.That 's what you get from the " suppliment " supporters .
If it does n't work , it 's not the suppliments fault , it 's those 3000 people in the study who all did it wrong .
Not a single one used it right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm, two 120 mg pills is 240 mg per day.
You shouldn't assume that they eat only half of each pill.Anyway, the dosage is within the values that the supplient makers define for usage on the labels.
Should the study have ignored what the people selling it say is the correct dosage?Lets see, you think 4kg is the correct amount for a daily dosage, which means that they need to take (4kg / 120mg) = 33,333 pills a day.
Somehow I don't think you'll see that dosage rate on the bottles.
If your bottle held 100 pills, you'd be using 333 bottles a day.
Even if there were 1000 pills per bottle, that would still be 33 bottles a day.
Still a lot more than I'd want to try to swallow.That's what you get from the "suppliment" supporters.
If it doesn't work, it's not the suppliments fault, it's those 3000 people in the study who all did it wrong.
Not a single one used it right.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30599952</id>
	<title>Re:Gimmicks...</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1259837100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But I drank Red Bull and WINGS GREW ON MY BACK.  Your mileage may vary.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But I drank Red Bull and WINGS GREW ON MY BACK .
Your mileage may vary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But I drank Red Bull and WINGS GREW ON MY BACK.
Your mileage may vary.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30597860</id>
	<title>Re:120 milligrams isn't enough for any effect</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259870820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How high are you going to get on 1/4 of a joint?</p></div><p>It depends. Directly smoking it, only ~somewhat~. If you eat it, you won't feel a thing. 120mg of high quality marijuana, placed in a vaporizer, will get you "high as a kite". You should also consider that "good stuff" in most places equates "decent" in parts of the world. Especially Cali<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How high are you going to get on 1/4 of a joint ? It depends .
Directly smoking it , only ~ somewhat ~ .
If you eat it , you wo n't feel a thing .
120mg of high quality marijuana , placed in a vaporizer , will get you " high as a kite " .
You should also consider that " good stuff " in most places equates " decent " in parts of the world .
Especially Cali ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How high are you going to get on 1/4 of a joint?It depends.
Directly smoking it, only ~somewhat~.
If you eat it, you won't feel a thing.
120mg of high quality marijuana, placed in a vaporizer, will get you "high as a kite".
You should also consider that "good stuff" in most places equates "decent" in parts of the world.
Especially Cali ;-)
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1416227.30596530</id>
	<title>Dumb</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259865600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only given to 72+ years old subjects?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... They've already lost a significant part of their brain function at that point</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only given to 72 + years old subjects ?
... They 've already lost a significant part of their brain function at that point</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only given to 72+ years old subjects?
... They've already lost a significant part of their brain function at that point</sentencetext>
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