<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_30_0352211</id>
	<title>Is OpenOffice.org a Threat? Microsoft Thinks So</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1262178900000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Glyn Moody writes <i>"Most people regard OpenOffice.org as a distant runner-up to Microsoft Office, and certainly not a serious rival. <a href="http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2712&amp;blogid=14">Microsoft seems to feel otherwise</a>, judging by a new <a href="https://careers.microsoft.com/JobDetails.aspx?ss=&amp;pg=0&amp;so=&amp;rw=1&amp;jid=9914&amp;jlang=EN">job posting</a> on its site for a 'Linux and Open Office Compete Lead.' According to this, competing with <em>both</em> GNU/Linux and OpenOffice.org is 'one of the biggest issues that is top of mind' for no less a person than Steve Ballmer.  Interestingly, a key part of this position is 'engaging with Open Source communities and organizations' &mdash; which suggests that Microsoft's new-found eagerness to 'engage' with open source has nothing to do with a real desire to reach a pacific accommodation with free software, but is simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up, and armed with inside knowledge."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Glyn Moody writes " Most people regard OpenOffice.org as a distant runner-up to Microsoft Office , and certainly not a serious rival .
Microsoft seems to feel otherwise , judging by a new job posting on its site for a 'Linux and Open Office Compete Lead .
' According to this , competing with both GNU/Linux and OpenOffice.org is 'one of the biggest issues that is top of mind ' for no less a person than Steve Ballmer .
Interestingly , a key part of this position is 'engaging with Open Source communities and organizations '    which suggests that Microsoft 's new-found eagerness to 'engage ' with open source has nothing to do with a real desire to reach a pacific accommodation with free software , but is simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up , and armed with inside knowledge .
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<sentencetext>Glyn Moody writes "Most people regard OpenOffice.org as a distant runner-up to Microsoft Office, and certainly not a serious rival.
Microsoft seems to feel otherwise, judging by a new job posting on its site for a 'Linux and Open Office Compete Lead.
' According to this, competing with both GNU/Linux and OpenOffice.org is 'one of the biggest issues that is top of mind' for no less a person than Steve Ballmer.
Interestingly, a key part of this position is 'engaging with Open Source communities and organizations' — which suggests that Microsoft's new-found eagerness to 'engage' with open source has nothing to do with a real desire to reach a pacific accommodation with free software, but is simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up, and armed with inside knowledge.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593348</id>
	<title>Strangely, I'm finding Writer to be just fine.</title>
	<author>jayegirl</author>
	<datestamp>1259855580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wrote a novel during Nanowrimo this year, and I've been using OpenOffice Writer to format the text into a nice looking book layout. I've previously been a Word 2003 user for about five years, and I have to say that I really don't find anything problematic with the transition.</p><p>I've got Writer on an Eee 1005HA-V with 2GB of RAM and it seems to load acceptibly quickly, and whilst the interface is a little different to Word 2003, there's nothing particularly missing or broken that I've encountered as yet: some features are actually better (multipage zoom out, for instance). Doing nice looking book layout is about the same level of hassle that it is in Word, and it seems to perform around about as fast for the task. When I run Writer on my quad-core desktop it screams along doubleplusfine.</p><p>On the basis of my experience, I'm really left kinda skeptical at the level of bad experience other people report with Writer. I previously tried OO version 2.x and discovered it sucked rather radically, but version 3+ seems a perfectly useable tool. Perhaps when I get to writing a technical document or textbook in Writer, I'll bump into problems, but I just don't see it for now.</p><p>I messed around with versions of Word past 2003 a few times in various workplaces, but none of them ever provided any functionality I really needed, and just shuffled the other stuff around in the interface to irritating effect.</p><p>Given these thoughts, I think Microsoft should certainly be worried: I'll probably never install Word again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wrote a novel during Nanowrimo this year , and I 've been using OpenOffice Writer to format the text into a nice looking book layout .
I 've previously been a Word 2003 user for about five years , and I have to say that I really do n't find anything problematic with the transition.I 've got Writer on an Eee 1005HA-V with 2GB of RAM and it seems to load acceptibly quickly , and whilst the interface is a little different to Word 2003 , there 's nothing particularly missing or broken that I 've encountered as yet : some features are actually better ( multipage zoom out , for instance ) .
Doing nice looking book layout is about the same level of hassle that it is in Word , and it seems to perform around about as fast for the task .
When I run Writer on my quad-core desktop it screams along doubleplusfine.On the basis of my experience , I 'm really left kinda skeptical at the level of bad experience other people report with Writer .
I previously tried OO version 2.x and discovered it sucked rather radically , but version 3 + seems a perfectly useable tool .
Perhaps when I get to writing a technical document or textbook in Writer , I 'll bump into problems , but I just do n't see it for now.I messed around with versions of Word past 2003 a few times in various workplaces , but none of them ever provided any functionality I really needed , and just shuffled the other stuff around in the interface to irritating effect.Given these thoughts , I think Microsoft should certainly be worried : I 'll probably never install Word again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wrote a novel during Nanowrimo this year, and I've been using OpenOffice Writer to format the text into a nice looking book layout.
I've previously been a Word 2003 user for about five years, and I have to say that I really don't find anything problematic with the transition.I've got Writer on an Eee 1005HA-V with 2GB of RAM and it seems to load acceptibly quickly, and whilst the interface is a little different to Word 2003, there's nothing particularly missing or broken that I've encountered as yet: some features are actually better (multipage zoom out, for instance).
Doing nice looking book layout is about the same level of hassle that it is in Word, and it seems to perform around about as fast for the task.
When I run Writer on my quad-core desktop it screams along doubleplusfine.On the basis of my experience, I'm really left kinda skeptical at the level of bad experience other people report with Writer.
I previously tried OO version 2.x and discovered it sucked rather radically, but version 3+ seems a perfectly useable tool.
Perhaps when I get to writing a technical document or textbook in Writer, I'll bump into problems, but I just don't see it for now.I messed around with versions of Word past 2003 a few times in various workplaces, but none of them ever provided any functionality I really needed, and just shuffled the other stuff around in the interface to irritating effect.Given these thoughts, I think Microsoft should certainly be worried: I'll probably never install Word again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30597718</id>
	<title>Re:I use it because...</title>
	<author>Maxo-Texas</author>
	<datestamp>1259870280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Creating tables takes me about the same as 2003.  Is there a particular task which you are struggling with?</p><p>My most complex table is roughly 27 rows by 48 columns with rows of merged columns interspersed- different borders around different internal areas and different colors and fonts.  My documents have 20-50 tables in them so I work with them a lot.   I don't recall having a struggle.</p><p>I think they need to work on the import filters.  Right now, they slavishly duplicate word.  I wish there was an *option* to say, "start with 1 column per page formatting and insert columns in small sections."  As it is now, I just delete all sections and reinsert them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Creating tables takes me about the same as 2003 .
Is there a particular task which you are struggling with ? My most complex table is roughly 27 rows by 48 columns with rows of merged columns interspersed- different borders around different internal areas and different colors and fonts .
My documents have 20-50 tables in them so I work with them a lot .
I do n't recall having a struggle.I think they need to work on the import filters .
Right now , they slavishly duplicate word .
I wish there was an * option * to say , " start with 1 column per page formatting and insert columns in small sections .
" As it is now , I just delete all sections and reinsert them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Creating tables takes me about the same as 2003.
Is there a particular task which you are struggling with?My most complex table is roughly 27 rows by 48 columns with rows of merged columns interspersed- different borders around different internal areas and different colors and fonts.
My documents have 20-50 tables in them so I work with them a lot.
I don't recall having a struggle.I think they need to work on the import filters.
Right now, they slavishly duplicate word.
I wish there was an *option* to say, "start with 1 column per page formatting and insert columns in small sections.
"  As it is now, I just delete all sections and reinsert them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30601046</id>
	<title>Re:I use it because...</title>
	<author>high\_rolla</author>
	<datestamp>1259844360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the distinction here is not that he couldn't learn the interface but that he doesn't prefer it.</p><p>It's just one of those things.  Because everyone has different tastes and habits and are doing different types of work in different ways,  everyone will be different in which type of interface suits them best.</p><p>People also have to adjust to new interfaces and mindsets in doing things and people will take varying amounts of time to adjust to new interfaces (depending on a lot of factors such as how long they have been using the old interface,  how pleased they were with the old interface,  how often they've had to change previously etc).</p><p>As a side note I believe that exposing yourself to as many different ideas and approaches in terms of doing things is your best bet.  eg.  I have myself set up so that I use Windows,  OSX and Linux (both KDE and Gnome),  widescreen/ not widescreen, single monitor/ dual monitor etc fairly equally and have discovered a lot from all of them about how I can organise myself and my interface to be the most efficient.  It's much better to understand how and why rather than to try and apply labels of better and worse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the distinction here is not that he could n't learn the interface but that he does n't prefer it.It 's just one of those things .
Because everyone has different tastes and habits and are doing different types of work in different ways , everyone will be different in which type of interface suits them best.People also have to adjust to new interfaces and mindsets in doing things and people will take varying amounts of time to adjust to new interfaces ( depending on a lot of factors such as how long they have been using the old interface , how pleased they were with the old interface , how often they 've had to change previously etc ) .As a side note I believe that exposing yourself to as many different ideas and approaches in terms of doing things is your best bet .
eg. I have myself set up so that I use Windows , OSX and Linux ( both KDE and Gnome ) , widescreen/ not widescreen , single monitor/ dual monitor etc fairly equally and have discovered a lot from all of them about how I can organise myself and my interface to be the most efficient .
It 's much better to understand how and why rather than to try and apply labels of better and worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the distinction here is not that he couldn't learn the interface but that he doesn't prefer it.It's just one of those things.
Because everyone has different tastes and habits and are doing different types of work in different ways,  everyone will be different in which type of interface suits them best.People also have to adjust to new interfaces and mindsets in doing things and people will take varying amounts of time to adjust to new interfaces (depending on a lot of factors such as how long they have been using the old interface,  how pleased they were with the old interface,  how often they've had to change previously etc).As a side note I believe that exposing yourself to as many different ideas and approaches in terms of doing things is your best bet.
eg.  I have myself set up so that I use Windows,  OSX and Linux (both KDE and Gnome),  widescreen/ not widescreen, single monitor/ dual monitor etc fairly equally and have discovered a lot from all of them about how I can organise myself and my interface to be the most efficient.
It's much better to understand how and why rather than to try and apply labels of better and worse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594292</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>stiller</author>
	<datestamp>1259858880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The biggest problem facing OO is that it's not MS Office. The latter is one of the few applications people actually bother to learn. That is, they have usually invested some or a lot of time learning the places and uses of various functions. Most organizations simply prefer to just splash out on the license fees than having to retrain their employees. The same sort of problem is facing the Gimp. It's fine for new users, but seasoned designers don't like to learn the workflow of a new application.<br>The solution for OO to gain significant market share would seem to be:</p><p>A) Be exactly like MS Office, at least from a usability standpoint<br>B) Offer some substantial functionality over MS Office that would not be easily duplicated by MS</p><p>The first one would call for a flexible, theme-able GUI - like Firefox - that would allow the application to at least look like the one being used. Win on Win, Mac on Mac, etc. Placement of functions would have to be consistent with MS Office for a given version and platform. This requires some serious coordination and preferably a centralized effort.<br>The second one isn't as easy, since it much depends on the type of user that's targeted. Perhaps a web-based version? This might impact the TCO and drag management along.<br>Anyone planning to deploy OO should consider what the gains are going to be for the user/customer, simply being open/free isn't enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The biggest problem facing OO is that it 's not MS Office .
The latter is one of the few applications people actually bother to learn .
That is , they have usually invested some or a lot of time learning the places and uses of various functions .
Most organizations simply prefer to just splash out on the license fees than having to retrain their employees .
The same sort of problem is facing the Gimp .
It 's fine for new users , but seasoned designers do n't like to learn the workflow of a new application.The solution for OO to gain significant market share would seem to be : A ) Be exactly like MS Office , at least from a usability standpointB ) Offer some substantial functionality over MS Office that would not be easily duplicated by MSThe first one would call for a flexible , theme-able GUI - like Firefox - that would allow the application to at least look like the one being used .
Win on Win , Mac on Mac , etc .
Placement of functions would have to be consistent with MS Office for a given version and platform .
This requires some serious coordination and preferably a centralized effort.The second one is n't as easy , since it much depends on the type of user that 's targeted .
Perhaps a web-based version ?
This might impact the TCO and drag management along.Anyone planning to deploy OO should consider what the gains are going to be for the user/customer , simply being open/free is n't enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The biggest problem facing OO is that it's not MS Office.
The latter is one of the few applications people actually bother to learn.
That is, they have usually invested some or a lot of time learning the places and uses of various functions.
Most organizations simply prefer to just splash out on the license fees than having to retrain their employees.
The same sort of problem is facing the Gimp.
It's fine for new users, but seasoned designers don't like to learn the workflow of a new application.The solution for OO to gain significant market share would seem to be:A) Be exactly like MS Office, at least from a usability standpointB) Offer some substantial functionality over MS Office that would not be easily duplicated by MSThe first one would call for a flexible, theme-able GUI - like Firefox - that would allow the application to at least look like the one being used.
Win on Win, Mac on Mac, etc.
Placement of functions would have to be consistent with MS Office for a given version and platform.
This requires some serious coordination and preferably a centralized effort.The second one isn't as easy, since it much depends on the type of user that's targeted.
Perhaps a web-based version?
This might impact the TCO and drag management along.Anyone planning to deploy OO should consider what the gains are going to be for the user/customer, simply being open/free isn't enough.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592670</id>
	<title>Engage?</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1259852040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't that what soldiers do with the enemy?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't that what soldiers do with the enemy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't that what soldiers do with the enemy?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593832</id>
	<title>Another example....cloud..?</title>
	<author>Pederson</author>
	<datestamp>1259857260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another example of Microsoft just not getting it (and certainly not getting the 'cloud'). Google Docs is, by far, the biggest threat to Office Microsoft has ever seen - and it's only going to get worse for them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another example of Microsoft just not getting it ( and certainly not getting the 'cloud ' ) .
Google Docs is , by far , the biggest threat to Office Microsoft has ever seen - and it 's only going to get worse for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another example of Microsoft just not getting it (and certainly not getting the 'cloud').
Google Docs is, by far, the biggest threat to Office Microsoft has ever seen - and it's only going to get worse for them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30600086</id>
	<title>Wordstar</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259837940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can have my WordStar WP when you pry it from my cold dead fingers!</p><p>GUI another word for bloated overfeatured apps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can have my WordStar WP when you pry it from my cold dead fingers ! GUI another word for bloated overfeatured apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can have my WordStar WP when you pry it from my cold dead fingers!GUI another word for bloated overfeatured apps.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592806</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259852940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Takes a long fucking time to open OO. I mean a LONG time. It opens, sweet. I select all the fields and go to resize them all with a single click but--nothing happens. WTF? I try again. Nothing. I look on the menu bar quickly--nothing. WTF?</p></div><p>Lameness of your writing aside, that's complete fud.  On my 5 year old laptop on a cold start after reboot, OO calc loads in 6 seconds and about 3 after that... that's a LONG time?  That is ridiculous.</p><p>In addition, selecting multiple columns and resizing by dragging or by double clicking works like a charm, so I'm guessing you are just trying to spread FUD, because you were dumb enough to pay for office.</p><p>I've been using open office for years and it does everything I need it to do and then some...  You people that think otherwise haven't not really used it, and I feel sorry for you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Takes a long fucking time to open OO .
I mean a LONG time .
It opens , sweet .
I select all the fields and go to resize them all with a single click but--nothing happens .
WTF ? I try again .
Nothing. I look on the menu bar quickly--nothing .
WTF ? Lameness of your writing aside , that 's complete fud .
On my 5 year old laptop on a cold start after reboot , OO calc loads in 6 seconds and about 3 after that... that 's a LONG time ?
That is ridiculous.In addition , selecting multiple columns and resizing by dragging or by double clicking works like a charm , so I 'm guessing you are just trying to spread FUD , because you were dumb enough to pay for office.I 've been using open office for years and it does everything I need it to do and then some... You people that think otherwise have n't not really used it , and I feel sorry for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Takes a long fucking time to open OO.
I mean a LONG time.
It opens, sweet.
I select all the fields and go to resize them all with a single click but--nothing happens.
WTF? I try again.
Nothing. I look on the menu bar quickly--nothing.
WTF?Lameness of your writing aside, that's complete fud.
On my 5 year old laptop on a cold start after reboot, OO calc loads in 6 seconds and about 3 after that... that's a LONG time?
That is ridiculous.In addition, selecting multiple columns and resizing by dragging or by double clicking works like a charm, so I'm guessing you are just trying to spread FUD, because you were dumb enough to pay for office.I've been using open office for years and it does everything I need it to do and then some...  You people that think otherwise haven't not really used it, and I feel sorry for you.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592592</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259851500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fucking up CSV files -- that sounds like they've duplicated Office functionality exactly. What else do you want?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fucking up CSV files -- that sounds like they 've duplicated Office functionality exactly .
What else do you want ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fucking up CSV files -- that sounds like they've duplicated Office functionality exactly.
What else do you want?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592694</id>
	<title>Peaceful accommodation?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259852160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With people who have it as their stated goal to destroy you, people who hate and despise you and see you as the greatest evil on earth? People who have created viral legal agreements with the intent of reaching that goal?</p><p>The FREE SOFTWARE CROWD COMPLAINS THAT MICROSOFT DOES NOT SPEAK WITH THEM IN FRIENDLY TERMS?</p><p>Wow. Just wow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With people who have it as their stated goal to destroy you , people who hate and despise you and see you as the greatest evil on earth ?
People who have created viral legal agreements with the intent of reaching that goal ? The FREE SOFTWARE CROWD COMPLAINS THAT MICROSOFT DOES NOT SPEAK WITH THEM IN FRIENDLY TERMS ? Wow .
Just wow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With people who have it as their stated goal to destroy you, people who hate and despise you and see you as the greatest evil on earth?
People who have created viral legal agreements with the intent of reaching that goal?The FREE SOFTWARE CROWD COMPLAINS THAT MICROSOFT DOES NOT SPEAK WITH THEM IN FRIENDLY TERMS?Wow.
Just wow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592726</id>
	<title>Re:Flip Flop</title>
	<author>Atraxen</author>
	<datestamp>1259852460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That screams to me that there are two separate groups, each with their own agenda.  That happens pretty frequently in large companies/organizations - though it's more fun for most people to describe it as some tactic on the part of MS.  Maybe it really is a plot (maybe, they really are all out to get us...), but I prefer to apply Hanlon's Razor...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That screams to me that there are two separate groups , each with their own agenda .
That happens pretty frequently in large companies/organizations - though it 's more fun for most people to describe it as some tactic on the part of MS. Maybe it really is a plot ( maybe , they really are all out to get us... ) , but I prefer to apply Hanlon 's Razor.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That screams to me that there are two separate groups, each with their own agenda.
That happens pretty frequently in large companies/organizations - though it's more fun for most people to describe it as some tactic on the part of MS.  Maybe it really is a plot (maybe, they really are all out to get us...), but I prefer to apply Hanlon's Razor...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592454</id>
	<title>I installed the latest OO, definitely not a threat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259850360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So I got a netbook for my wife for Christmas and the Dell 10v I got for $266 comes with Microsoft Works--which unfortunately does not, well, 'work' all that well. My wife hates Google Docs (which I use basically for everything that's not work related now) so I installed OpenOffice figuring that it would be about the same. Umm, yeah, it opens shit but the functionality of the software fucking sucks.</p><p>Prime example: I open a CSV file on the web. Firefox doesn't already know that CSV should be tied to OO? Shouldn't that have occurred at install time by OO? No, ok, I'll set it up--done. Takes a long fucking time to open OO. I mean a LONG time. It opens, sweet. I select all the fields and go to resize them all with a single click but--nothing happens. WTF? I try again. Nothing. I look on the menu bar quickly--nothing. WTF?</p><p>Listen, I'm glad that it opened my CSV and I'm glad it is free but for people to seriously consider it a contender, it better work like I expect it to work and everyone else expects it to work--and that expectation is based on experience with Office. Oh and BTW, Google Docs opened that same CSV and I was able to resize the fields as I expected.</p><p>Competitor, maybe, but threat, no.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So I got a netbook for my wife for Christmas and the Dell 10v I got for $ 266 comes with Microsoft Works--which unfortunately does not , well , 'work ' all that well .
My wife hates Google Docs ( which I use basically for everything that 's not work related now ) so I installed OpenOffice figuring that it would be about the same .
Umm , yeah , it opens shit but the functionality of the software fucking sucks.Prime example : I open a CSV file on the web .
Firefox does n't already know that CSV should be tied to OO ?
Should n't that have occurred at install time by OO ?
No , ok , I 'll set it up--done .
Takes a long fucking time to open OO .
I mean a LONG time .
It opens , sweet .
I select all the fields and go to resize them all with a single click but--nothing happens .
WTF ? I try again .
Nothing. I look on the menu bar quickly--nothing .
WTF ? Listen , I 'm glad that it opened my CSV and I 'm glad it is free but for people to seriously consider it a contender , it better work like I expect it to work and everyone else expects it to work--and that expectation is based on experience with Office .
Oh and BTW , Google Docs opened that same CSV and I was able to resize the fields as I expected.Competitor , maybe , but threat , no .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I got a netbook for my wife for Christmas and the Dell 10v I got for $266 comes with Microsoft Works--which unfortunately does not, well, 'work' all that well.
My wife hates Google Docs (which I use basically for everything that's not work related now) so I installed OpenOffice figuring that it would be about the same.
Umm, yeah, it opens shit but the functionality of the software fucking sucks.Prime example: I open a CSV file on the web.
Firefox doesn't already know that CSV should be tied to OO?
Shouldn't that have occurred at install time by OO?
No, ok, I'll set it up--done.
Takes a long fucking time to open OO.
I mean a LONG time.
It opens, sweet.
I select all the fields and go to resize them all with a single click but--nothing happens.
WTF? I try again.
Nothing. I look on the menu bar quickly--nothing.
WTF?Listen, I'm glad that it opened my CSV and I'm glad it is free but for people to seriously consider it a contender, it better work like I expect it to work and everyone else expects it to work--and that expectation is based on experience with Office.
Oh and BTW, Google Docs opened that same CSV and I was able to resize the fields as I expected.Competitor, maybe, but threat, no.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30596708</id>
	<title>MS Cannot "Infiltrate" Open Source</title>
	<author>hduff</author>
	<datestamp>1259866320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MS has free and open access to all FOSS code and is free to scan the Internet with Bing to its hearts content searching for discussions of FOSS and all its projects. It's not like FOSS is doing anything that needs to be hidden. Where MS wields power is through political influence in government and trade groups, power FOSS generally lacks or lacks the skill to exploit as effectively as MS because in those arenas, it is always about the money.</p><p>So having MS involved in FOSS stuff is typically no big deal. Well, except for Miguel "Judas" de Icaza.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MS has free and open access to all FOSS code and is free to scan the Internet with Bing to its hearts content searching for discussions of FOSS and all its projects .
It 's not like FOSS is doing anything that needs to be hidden .
Where MS wields power is through political influence in government and trade groups , power FOSS generally lacks or lacks the skill to exploit as effectively as MS because in those arenas , it is always about the money.So having MS involved in FOSS stuff is typically no big deal .
Well , except for Miguel " Judas " de Icaza .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS has free and open access to all FOSS code and is free to scan the Internet with Bing to its hearts content searching for discussions of FOSS and all its projects.
It's not like FOSS is doing anything that needs to be hidden.
Where MS wields power is through political influence in government and trade groups, power FOSS generally lacks or lacks the skill to exploit as effectively as MS because in those arenas, it is always about the money.So having MS involved in FOSS stuff is typically no big deal.
Well, except for Miguel "Judas" de Icaza.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30596766</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>nxtw</author>
	<datestamp>1259866560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>unless you compare it to the full Microsoft office on the same machine it is not really a fair comparison.</p></div></blockquote><p>Of course it's a fair comparison - people don't frequently use <i>all the programs of an office suite</i> at once.  I typically use a word processor the most, followed by a spreadsheet, and then presentations.</p><p>But when I do use Word, Excel, and PowerPoint at the same time, they all load and respond quickly.  (Even using Office 2010 in VMware Fusion.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>unless you compare it to the full Microsoft office on the same machine it is not really a fair comparison.Of course it 's a fair comparison - people do n't frequently use all the programs of an office suite at once .
I typically use a word processor the most , followed by a spreadsheet , and then presentations.But when I do use Word , Excel , and PowerPoint at the same time , they all load and respond quickly .
( Even using Office 2010 in VMware Fusion .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>unless you compare it to the full Microsoft office on the same machine it is not really a fair comparison.Of course it's a fair comparison - people don't frequently use all the programs of an office suite at once.
I typically use a word processor the most, followed by a spreadsheet, and then presentations.But when I do use Word, Excel, and PowerPoint at the same time, they all load and respond quickly.
(Even using Office 2010 in VMware Fusion.
)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30597884</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>StuartHankins</author>
	<datestamp>1259870880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Grandpa's off his meds again apparently.<br> <br> <em>"Now Bill, go sit down and we'll bring you some nice iced tea. You like iced tea, don't you? Just follow the nurse and we'll be right there."</em></htmltext>
<tokenext>Grandpa 's off his meds again apparently .
" Now Bill , go sit down and we 'll bring you some nice iced tea .
You like iced tea , do n't you ?
Just follow the nurse and we 'll be right there .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Grandpa's off his meds again apparently.
"Now Bill, go sit down and we'll bring you some nice iced tea.
You like iced tea, don't you?
Just follow the nurse and we'll be right there.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592526</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594154</id>
	<title>Re:I use it because...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259858400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; My 5 year old niece uses W2007, how hard can it be?

For a new user it is probably OK, maybe even great - for those with many years of familiarity of the old menu system the ribbon can be a true pain...</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; My 5 year old niece uses W2007 , how hard can it be ?
For a new user it is probably OK , maybe even great - for those with many years of familiarity of the old menu system the ribbon can be a true pain.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; My 5 year old niece uses W2007, how hard can it be?
For a new user it is probably OK, maybe even great - for those with many years of familiarity of the old menu system the ribbon can be a true pain...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592542</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593086</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>thejynxed</author>
	<datestamp>1259854320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The point he was making, is that even something as light-weight as Google Docs (a "cloud" document writer) has the functionality OOB + working as expected, while apparently, Open Office, a local desktop office suite (that has been around for several years longer now), does not.</p><p>He shouldn't have to go digging through out-dated documents (all too common with open source applications, provided any exist at all) on some "obscure" website to figure out why.</p><p>Personally, I view Open Office the same way I view Adobe products. Both could be great, if they weren't done half-assed.</p><p>TBH, even the crappier more recent versions of Word Perfect put out by Corel blow the doors off of Writer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The point he was making , is that even something as light-weight as Google Docs ( a " cloud " document writer ) has the functionality OOB + working as expected , while apparently , Open Office , a local desktop office suite ( that has been around for several years longer now ) , does not.He should n't have to go digging through out-dated documents ( all too common with open source applications , provided any exist at all ) on some " obscure " website to figure out why.Personally , I view Open Office the same way I view Adobe products .
Both could be great , if they were n't done half-assed.TBH , even the crappier more recent versions of Word Perfect put out by Corel blow the doors off of Writer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The point he was making, is that even something as light-weight as Google Docs (a "cloud" document writer) has the functionality OOB + working as expected, while apparently, Open Office, a local desktop office suite (that has been around for several years longer now), does not.He shouldn't have to go digging through out-dated documents (all too common with open source applications, provided any exist at all) on some "obscure" website to figure out why.Personally, I view Open Office the same way I view Adobe products.
Both could be great, if they weren't done half-assed.TBH, even the crappier more recent versions of Word Perfect put out by Corel blow the doors off of Writer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592608</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30597894</id>
	<title>Re:I use it because...</title>
	<author>omb</author>
	<datestamp>1259871000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Try Google: Open Office Download,<br><br>Be honest, not coy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try Google : Open Office Download,Be honest , not coy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try Google: Open Office Download,Be honest, not coy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30595742</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594140</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Seth Kriticos</author>
	<datestamp>1259858340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are weird.</p><p>I just double clicked a *.csv file in my file manager (Ubuntu/Nautilus) and it opened up with OO instantly. Never configured that. Ok, it did not do that with Firefox, but seriously, who downloads csv's from the web regularly (not many people do, which is why it is ok to have that thing set up manually).</p><p>OO fired up in like 5 secs for me (without pre-loading), which I consider acceptable. It probably won't break any records, but it works and for a software with it's capabilities that's pretty acceptable. If you try to run it on a very low end device, it'll take some time, but what not?</p><p>Resizing all the fields worked for me too. Selected everything, double clicked on the sizer thingy in the top row, everything resized to optimal fit. Dragging that thing made everything uniform with.</p><p>No idea what your problem is, but it sure as hell isn't the software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are weird.I just double clicked a * .csv file in my file manager ( Ubuntu/Nautilus ) and it opened up with OO instantly .
Never configured that .
Ok , it did not do that with Firefox , but seriously , who downloads csv 's from the web regularly ( not many people do , which is why it is ok to have that thing set up manually ) .OO fired up in like 5 secs for me ( without pre-loading ) , which I consider acceptable .
It probably wo n't break any records , but it works and for a software with it 's capabilities that 's pretty acceptable .
If you try to run it on a very low end device , it 'll take some time , but what not ? Resizing all the fields worked for me too .
Selected everything , double clicked on the sizer thingy in the top row , everything resized to optimal fit .
Dragging that thing made everything uniform with.No idea what your problem is , but it sure as hell is n't the software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are weird.I just double clicked a *.csv file in my file manager (Ubuntu/Nautilus) and it opened up with OO instantly.
Never configured that.
Ok, it did not do that with Firefox, but seriously, who downloads csv's from the web regularly (not many people do, which is why it is ok to have that thing set up manually).OO fired up in like 5 secs for me (without pre-loading), which I consider acceptable.
It probably won't break any records, but it works and for a software with it's capabilities that's pretty acceptable.
If you try to run it on a very low end device, it'll take some time, but what not?Resizing all the fields worked for me too.
Selected everything, double clicked on the sizer thingy in the top row, everything resized to optimal fit.
Dragging that thing made everything uniform with.No idea what your problem is, but it sure as hell isn't the software.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592454</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593230</id>
	<title>They couldn't spell "Open Office" properly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259855040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>They really don't care. It's one of these anti-trust protection measures...</htmltext>
<tokenext>They really do n't care .
It 's one of these anti-trust protection measures.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They really don't care.
It's one of these anti-trust protection measures...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592724</id>
	<title>Foundstone sees it as a threat as well</title>
	<author>gravis777</author>
	<datestamp>1259852460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OpenOffice Word Document Table Parsing Heap Overflow    Windows XP (Service Pack 3, [++]) 3.0-9358    3.0-9358    3.0-9358        51    Upgrade to OpenOffice 3.1.1</p><p>That was just one of the vulnerabilities Foundstone sees. I would have more examples, but we scrapped OpenOffice off the network about a month or so ago, as OpenSource software is forbidden at our company for legal reasons. Apparently someone reinstalled it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenOffice Word Document Table Parsing Heap Overflow Windows XP ( Service Pack 3 , [ + + ] ) 3.0-9358 3.0-9358 3.0-9358 51 Upgrade to OpenOffice 3.1.1That was just one of the vulnerabilities Foundstone sees .
I would have more examples , but we scrapped OpenOffice off the network about a month or so ago , as OpenSource software is forbidden at our company for legal reasons .
Apparently someone reinstalled it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenOffice Word Document Table Parsing Heap Overflow    Windows XP (Service Pack 3, [++]) 3.0-9358    3.0-9358    3.0-9358        51    Upgrade to OpenOffice 3.1.1That was just one of the vulnerabilities Foundstone sees.
I would have more examples, but we scrapped OpenOffice off the network about a month or so ago, as OpenSource software is forbidden at our company for legal reasons.
Apparently someone reinstalled it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30597272</id>
	<title>Re:Jesus Christ, do you people listen to yourselve</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259868540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>^^ Microsoft shill.</p><p>Jesus Christ, how much are you getting paid?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>^ ^ Microsoft shill.Jesus Christ , how much are you getting paid ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>^^ Microsoft shill.Jesus Christ, how much are you getting paid?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593318</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30598278</id>
	<title>It's not about for or against "Open Source"</title>
	<author>RML</author>
	<datestamp>1259872320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft's strategy for interacting with Open Source seems to be settling into the pattern of treating it like any other software. Instead of being pro-"Open Source" or anti-"Open Source" their reaction depends on the specific project.</p><p>Software that interoperates with, extends, runs on, or otherwise boosts Microsoft products: Good.<br>Software that replaces or competes with Microsoft products: Bad.</p><p>So, it would make perfect sense to Microsoft for them to try to lure open source projects built on top of OpenOffice.org, like plugins or whatever, to switch to building on Microsoft Office instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft 's strategy for interacting with Open Source seems to be settling into the pattern of treating it like any other software .
Instead of being pro- " Open Source " or anti- " Open Source " their reaction depends on the specific project.Software that interoperates with , extends , runs on , or otherwise boosts Microsoft products : Good.Software that replaces or competes with Microsoft products : Bad.So , it would make perfect sense to Microsoft for them to try to lure open source projects built on top of OpenOffice.org , like plugins or whatever , to switch to building on Microsoft Office instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft's strategy for interacting with Open Source seems to be settling into the pattern of treating it like any other software.
Instead of being pro-"Open Source" or anti-"Open Source" their reaction depends on the specific project.Software that interoperates with, extends, runs on, or otherwise boosts Microsoft products: Good.Software that replaces or competes with Microsoft products: Bad.So, it would make perfect sense to Microsoft for them to try to lure open source projects built on top of OpenOffice.org, like plugins or whatever, to switch to building on Microsoft Office instead.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30595632</id>
	<title>Re:I use it because...</title>
	<author>davester666</author>
	<datestamp>1259862900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tell her to GET OFF MY LAWN!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tell her to GET OFF MY LAWN !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell her to GET OFF MY LAWN!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592542</id>
	<title>Re:I use it because...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259851080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My 5 year old niece uses  W2007, how hard can it be? Personally I hate all them GUIs, never got the point, only editor I need is nano or a good old typewriter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My 5 year old niece uses W2007 , how hard can it be ?
Personally I hate all them GUIs , never got the point , only editor I need is nano or a good old typewriter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My 5 year old niece uses  W2007, how hard can it be?
Personally I hate all them GUIs, never got the point, only editor I need is nano or a good old typewriter.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592448</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30597916</id>
	<title>speed issues</title>
	<author>GregNorc</author>
	<datestamp>1259871060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've seen a few people complain about speedI had been using NeoOffice for a long time (mainly because at the time I installed it, there was not a version of OOo that used Aqua widgets).</p><p>Now OOo has full OSX support, and I've found it significantly faster than NeoOffice (I don't have hard figures, but Neo Office took approximates as long as Photoshop to start up, which is pretty ridiculous).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen a few people complain about speedI had been using NeoOffice for a long time ( mainly because at the time I installed it , there was not a version of OOo that used Aqua widgets ) .Now OOo has full OSX support , and I 've found it significantly faster than NeoOffice ( I do n't have hard figures , but Neo Office took approximates as long as Photoshop to start up , which is pretty ridiculous ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen a few people complain about speedI had been using NeoOffice for a long time (mainly because at the time I installed it, there was not a version of OOo that used Aqua widgets).Now OOo has full OSX support, and I've found it significantly faster than NeoOffice (I don't have hard figures, but Neo Office took approximates as long as Photoshop to start up, which is pretty ridiculous).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593320</id>
	<title>Get hardware that isn't older than your Slash #</title>
	<author>Zero\_\_Kelvin</author>
	<datestamp>1259855460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"Firefox doesn't already know that CSV should be tied to OO? "</p></div></blockquote><p>Firefox knows more than you do.  For example it knows that the csv extension should <b>not</b> automatically be tied to OpenOffice, since you may not want to run Open Office just to view a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.csv file.  Neither Firefox, nor any other software, can save you from your own ignorance.  In other words, you're fscked.</p><blockquote><div><p>"So I got a netbook for my wife for Christmas and the Dell 10v I got for $266 comes with Microsoft Works--which unfortunately does not, well, 'work' all that well."</p></div></blockquote><p>WTF!  Didn't anyone tell it that it is from Microsoft, and it <i>"just works"</i>?  I'm curious, does anything work after you get your hands on it?</p><blockquote><div><p>"Takes a long fucking time to open OO. I mean a LONG time."</p></div></blockquote><p> It opens in no time for me.  Maybe you are using Windows and need to get a real OS?  See also this posts subject line.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Firefox does n't already know that CSV should be tied to OO ?
" Firefox knows more than you do .
For example it knows that the csv extension should not automatically be tied to OpenOffice , since you may not want to run Open Office just to view a .csv file .
Neither Firefox , nor any other software , can save you from your own ignorance .
In other words , you 're fscked .
" So I got a netbook for my wife for Christmas and the Dell 10v I got for $ 266 comes with Microsoft Works--which unfortunately does not , well , 'work ' all that well. " WTF !
Did n't anyone tell it that it is from Microsoft , and it " just works " ?
I 'm curious , does anything work after you get your hands on it ?
" Takes a long fucking time to open OO .
I mean a LONG time .
" It opens in no time for me .
Maybe you are using Windows and need to get a real OS ?
See also this posts subject line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Firefox doesn't already know that CSV should be tied to OO?
"Firefox knows more than you do.
For example it knows that the csv extension should not automatically be tied to OpenOffice, since you may not want to run Open Office just to view a .csv file.
Neither Firefox, nor any other software, can save you from your own ignorance.
In other words, you're fscked.
"So I got a netbook for my wife for Christmas and the Dell 10v I got for $266 comes with Microsoft Works--which unfortunately does not, well, 'work' all that well."WTF!
Didn't anyone tell it that it is from Microsoft, and it "just works"?
I'm curious, does anything work after you get your hands on it?
"Takes a long fucking time to open OO.
I mean a LONG time.
" It opens in no time for me.
Maybe you are using Windows and need to get a real OS?
See also this posts subject line.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592926</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>c-reus</author>
	<datestamp>1259853540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I stopped using Google Docs after I lost all updates to a document (changes were not saved) due to shoddy internet connection</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I stopped using Google Docs after I lost all updates to a document ( changes were not saved ) due to shoddy internet connection</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I stopped using Google Docs after I lost all updates to a document (changes were not saved) due to shoddy internet connection</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594400</id>
	<title>Re:I use it because...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259859120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; <i>You could learn and master the Office 2007 interface in less time than it takes to find, download, and install OpenOffice.</i>
<p>
Bullshit, just yesterday I spent more time hunting around for just how to view the headers of an email and how to set the Reply-To: field in Outlook than the aquisition and installation process of OOo would take even over a pisspoor bandwidth link</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; You could learn and master the Office 2007 interface in less time than it takes to find , download , and install OpenOffice .
Bullshit , just yesterday I spent more time hunting around for just how to view the headers of an email and how to set the Reply-To : field in Outlook than the aquisition and installation process of OOo would take even over a pisspoor bandwidth link</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; You could learn and master the Office 2007 interface in less time than it takes to find, download, and install OpenOffice.
Bullshit, just yesterday I spent more time hunting around for just how to view the headers of an email and how to set the Reply-To: field in Outlook than the aquisition and installation process of OOo would take even over a pisspoor bandwidth link</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30596628</id>
	<title>So?</title>
	<author>warrior\_s</author>
	<datestamp>1259865960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up, and armed with inside knowledge."</p></div><p>
So, What is wrong in that? Any company would do that to its rival if it can..</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up , and armed with inside knowledge .
" So , What is wrong in that ?
Any company would do that to its rival if it can. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up, and armed with inside knowledge.
"
So, What is wrong in that?
Any company would do that to its rival if it can..
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30603282</id>
	<title>Re:pacific? oh, really....</title>
	<author>andrewa</author>
	<datestamp>1259867580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Aren't you glad you posted as an AC.....?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are n't you glad you posted as an AC..... ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aren't you glad you posted as an AC.....?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593382</id>
	<title>Doesn't every generation say this?</title>
	<author>IANAAC</author>
	<datestamp>1259855700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>
Our parents couldn't adapt to new X whatever...</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>
Seriously, every young generation says this about their parents' generation.
</p><p>
Once you grow up, you realize that every generation has tended to adapt - quite well and willingly - to many new technologies.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Our parents could n't adapt to new X whatever.. . Seriously , every young generation says this about their parents ' generation .
Once you grow up , you realize that every generation has tended to adapt - quite well and willingly - to many new technologies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> 
Our parents couldn't adapt to new X whatever... 
Seriously, every young generation says this about their parents' generation.
Once you grow up, you realize that every generation has tended to adapt - quite well and willingly - to many new technologies.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30595588</id>
	<title>Re:I use it because...</title>
	<author>penguin\_dance</author>
	<datestamp>1259862780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe that's the problem...they built it with your 5 year-old niece in mind.... OMG Ponies! Form has once again jumped ahead of function.</p><p>It wouldn't be so bad IF you could customize the ribbons as you wanted, not as they think they should be grouped. Instead they give you that stupid Quick Access bar and no menu option. We use it at work so I'm stuck with it. I wasted a lot of time the first two weeks trying to find where everything was moved to which tab.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe that 's the problem...they built it with your 5 year-old niece in mind.... OMG Ponies !
Form has once again jumped ahead of function.It would n't be so bad IF you could customize the ribbons as you wanted , not as they think they should be grouped .
Instead they give you that stupid Quick Access bar and no menu option .
We use it at work so I 'm stuck with it .
I wasted a lot of time the first two weeks trying to find where everything was moved to which tab .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe that's the problem...they built it with your 5 year-old niece in mind.... OMG Ponies!
Form has once again jumped ahead of function.It wouldn't be so bad IF you could customize the ribbons as you wanted, not as they think they should be grouped.
Instead they give you that stupid Quick Access bar and no menu option.
We use it at work so I'm stuck with it.
I wasted a lot of time the first two weeks trying to find where everything was moved to which tab.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593102</id>
	<title>OO is not the threat</title>
	<author>digitalhermit</author>
	<datestamp>1259854380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A bigger problem for Microsoft is that businesses are finding the entire office suite software to be limiting, outdated, and expensive.  Have you tried using Word, Excel or PowerPoint to create web content?  Sure, you can export and tie in to other tools and databases, but the page centric approach of these tools is different from what people are beginning to prefer. Now everyone wants content that is readable on a mobile device or via feed.</p><p>Even in a traditional office setting the requirement for documentation is being replaced by Wiki. Sure, there's something to be said for printed manuals, but many places are finding it easier to store their documentation (especially fast changing ones) in an online tool that can auto-create paged documentation. Spreadsheets?  Yes, I still have managers requesting documentation in a spreadsheet format, even if I store it in a wiki or in an automated tool. E.g., I use a monitoring tool that provides up-to-the-second information on hardware and software but some managers still prefer a static Excel spreadsheet. But that's changing because even the dinosaurs have to answer to the higher ups when it comes to cutting needless work (well, at least I can hope). And Powerpoint?  Slides and business meetings seem to go hand in hand. Maybe the sales folks will continue to use it. Except when I get a request to specifically put it in PowerPoint, I'll either just bring up the web page live or use a PDF.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A bigger problem for Microsoft is that businesses are finding the entire office suite software to be limiting , outdated , and expensive .
Have you tried using Word , Excel or PowerPoint to create web content ?
Sure , you can export and tie in to other tools and databases , but the page centric approach of these tools is different from what people are beginning to prefer .
Now everyone wants content that is readable on a mobile device or via feed.Even in a traditional office setting the requirement for documentation is being replaced by Wiki .
Sure , there 's something to be said for printed manuals , but many places are finding it easier to store their documentation ( especially fast changing ones ) in an online tool that can auto-create paged documentation .
Spreadsheets ? Yes , I still have managers requesting documentation in a spreadsheet format , even if I store it in a wiki or in an automated tool .
E.g. , I use a monitoring tool that provides up-to-the-second information on hardware and software but some managers still prefer a static Excel spreadsheet .
But that 's changing because even the dinosaurs have to answer to the higher ups when it comes to cutting needless work ( well , at least I can hope ) .
And Powerpoint ?
Slides and business meetings seem to go hand in hand .
Maybe the sales folks will continue to use it .
Except when I get a request to specifically put it in PowerPoint , I 'll either just bring up the web page live or use a PDF .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A bigger problem for Microsoft is that businesses are finding the entire office suite software to be limiting, outdated, and expensive.
Have you tried using Word, Excel or PowerPoint to create web content?
Sure, you can export and tie in to other tools and databases, but the page centric approach of these tools is different from what people are beginning to prefer.
Now everyone wants content that is readable on a mobile device or via feed.Even in a traditional office setting the requirement for documentation is being replaced by Wiki.
Sure, there's something to be said for printed manuals, but many places are finding it easier to store their documentation (especially fast changing ones) in an online tool that can auto-create paged documentation.
Spreadsheets?  Yes, I still have managers requesting documentation in a spreadsheet format, even if I store it in a wiki or in an automated tool.
E.g., I use a monitoring tool that provides up-to-the-second information on hardware and software but some managers still prefer a static Excel spreadsheet.
But that's changing because even the dinosaurs have to answer to the higher ups when it comes to cutting needless work (well, at least I can hope).
And Powerpoint?
Slides and business meetings seem to go hand in hand.
Maybe the sales folks will continue to use it.
Except when I get a request to specifically put it in PowerPoint, I'll either just bring up the web page live or use a PDF.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592574</id>
	<title>Duh, of course</title>
	<author>ewe2</author>
	<datestamp>1259851380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Check the tables at the end of <a href="http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/9000/PX09685.pdf" title="groklaw.net">this Comes exhibit</a> [groklaw.net], its Linux/OO (when it was still StarOffice) in every region. Because the target is future developers and government contracts, obviously.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Check the tables at the end of this Comes exhibit [ groklaw.net ] , its Linux/OO ( when it was still StarOffice ) in every region .
Because the target is future developers and government contracts , obviously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check the tables at the end of this Comes exhibit [groklaw.net], its Linux/OO (when it was still StarOffice) in every region.
Because the target is future developers and government contracts, obviously.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592768</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1259852760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Well, right up till sentence 3. You lost me there. Can't be a very competent review with that kind of language.</p></div><p>You dislike the word "functionality," too? I understand where you're coming from, I fucking hate that word.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , right up till sentence 3 .
You lost me there .
Ca n't be a very competent review with that kind of language.You dislike the word " functionality , " too ?
I understand where you 're coming from , I fucking hate that word .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, right up till sentence 3.
You lost me there.
Can't be a very competent review with that kind of language.You dislike the word "functionality," too?
I understand where you're coming from, I fucking hate that word.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30595076</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>RMS Eats Toejam</author>
	<datestamp>1259861280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You installed OO on a machine that wouldn't even run Office, then complained about start up times.</p></div><p>OO opens slow in it's own right when compared to other programs and all other office suites.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You installed OO on a machine that would n't even run Office , then complained about start up times.OO opens slow in it 's own right when compared to other programs and all other office suites .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You installed OO on a machine that wouldn't even run Office, then complained about start up times.OO opens slow in it's own right when compared to other programs and all other office suites.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594596</id>
	<title>Re:Frist posat</title>
	<author>fwarren</author>
	<datestamp>1259859720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Microsoft makes money, so obviously they would use this as a competitive advantage.</p></div><p>The problem is not that Microsoft would compete with OpenOffice. The problem is that Microsoft will unethically leverage its position as Monopoly to destroy OpenOffice.  Many commercial companies will <i>ethically</i> compete with each other.  As a corporate culture Microsoft does not want to compete in a market. They want to have 90\%+ share of a market and will do whatever is necessary to shrink or kill all other competitors. This is not typical nor ethical behavior.</p><p><i> <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/08/microsoft-evilness-galore/" title="boycottnovell.com">So you want to love those conferences to death. I&rsquo;ve killed at least two Mac conferences.  James Plamondon, Microsoft</a> [boycottnovell.com] </i></p><p>Microsoft does not care if its competition is another commercial venture, a non-profit corporation, a hobbyist or a government. If it competes with Microsoft in any market where Microsoft does not hold at least 90\% of the market then their goal is to minimize, marginalize and even torpedo, and kill the competition. Without regard for ethical behavior or what means are necessary to do so.</p><p>Some would say "Microsoft has changed, the now want to work with the FOSS community." To see if that statement is accurate, or if as a corporate culture they are still up to their old tricks, we need to analyze their motives. In this instance, this would be to analyze their motives in regard to OpenOffice AND to glean from it how seriously they take OpenOffice as a competitor in the market. The fact that they have a position entitled "Linux and Open Office Compete Lead" is an indicator of how serious they are about both Linux and OpenOffice.</p><p>Traditionally being in Microsoft's sniper scope has not worked out well for other companies. On the other hand as someone once said:</p><p>Q. What's the difference between Batman and Bill Gates?<br>A. When Batman fought the Penguin, he won.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft makes money , so obviously they would use this as a competitive advantage.The problem is not that Microsoft would compete with OpenOffice .
The problem is that Microsoft will unethically leverage its position as Monopoly to destroy OpenOffice .
Many commercial companies will ethically compete with each other .
As a corporate culture Microsoft does not want to compete in a market .
They want to have 90 \ % + share of a market and will do whatever is necessary to shrink or kill all other competitors .
This is not typical nor ethical behavior .
So you want to love those conferences to death .
I    ve killed at least two Mac conferences .
James Plamondon , Microsoft [ boycottnovell.com ] Microsoft does not care if its competition is another commercial venture , a non-profit corporation , a hobbyist or a government .
If it competes with Microsoft in any market where Microsoft does not hold at least 90 \ % of the market then their goal is to minimize , marginalize and even torpedo , and kill the competition .
Without regard for ethical behavior or what means are necessary to do so.Some would say " Microsoft has changed , the now want to work with the FOSS community .
" To see if that statement is accurate , or if as a corporate culture they are still up to their old tricks , we need to analyze their motives .
In this instance , this would be to analyze their motives in regard to OpenOffice AND to glean from it how seriously they take OpenOffice as a competitor in the market .
The fact that they have a position entitled " Linux and Open Office Compete Lead " is an indicator of how serious they are about both Linux and OpenOffice.Traditionally being in Microsoft 's sniper scope has not worked out well for other companies .
On the other hand as someone once said : Q. What 's the difference between Batman and Bill Gates ? A .
When Batman fought the Penguin , he won .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft makes money, so obviously they would use this as a competitive advantage.The problem is not that Microsoft would compete with OpenOffice.
The problem is that Microsoft will unethically leverage its position as Monopoly to destroy OpenOffice.
Many commercial companies will ethically compete with each other.
As a corporate culture Microsoft does not want to compete in a market.
They want to have 90\%+ share of a market and will do whatever is necessary to shrink or kill all other competitors.
This is not typical nor ethical behavior.
So you want to love those conferences to death.
I’ve killed at least two Mac conferences.
James Plamondon, Microsoft [boycottnovell.com] Microsoft does not care if its competition is another commercial venture, a non-profit corporation, a hobbyist or a government.
If it competes with Microsoft in any market where Microsoft does not hold at least 90\% of the market then their goal is to minimize, marginalize and even torpedo, and kill the competition.
Without regard for ethical behavior or what means are necessary to do so.Some would say "Microsoft has changed, the now want to work with the FOSS community.
" To see if that statement is accurate, or if as a corporate culture they are still up to their old tricks, we need to analyze their motives.
In this instance, this would be to analyze their motives in regard to OpenOffice AND to glean from it how seriously they take OpenOffice as a competitor in the market.
The fact that they have a position entitled "Linux and Open Office Compete Lead" is an indicator of how serious they are about both Linux and OpenOffice.Traditionally being in Microsoft's sniper scope has not worked out well for other companies.
On the other hand as someone once said:Q. What's the difference between Batman and Bill Gates?A.
When Batman fought the Penguin, he won.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592944</id>
	<title>Re:I use it because...</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1259853660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had a neighbour whose 4, 5 and 8 year old could easily use DOS. Yet so many adults can't use the command prompt and apparently the use of CLI is holding back Linux.
<br> <br>
In the case of learning new things it's not always wise to compare an adult to a child whose mind is actually much more capable of learning new things. Children find it much easier to learn two languages where as adults can struggle at it.
<br> <br>
I've not had a problem with Win 2007 other than I find it ugly and don't care to pay for it while I'm phasing out Windows on my home PCs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a neighbour whose 4 , 5 and 8 year old could easily use DOS .
Yet so many adults ca n't use the command prompt and apparently the use of CLI is holding back Linux .
In the case of learning new things it 's not always wise to compare an adult to a child whose mind is actually much more capable of learning new things .
Children find it much easier to learn two languages where as adults can struggle at it .
I 've not had a problem with Win 2007 other than I find it ugly and do n't care to pay for it while I 'm phasing out Windows on my home PCs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a neighbour whose 4, 5 and 8 year old could easily use DOS.
Yet so many adults can't use the command prompt and apparently the use of CLI is holding back Linux.
In the case of learning new things it's not always wise to compare an adult to a child whose mind is actually much more capable of learning new things.
Children find it much easier to learn two languages where as adults can struggle at it.
I've not had a problem with Win 2007 other than I find it ugly and don't care to pay for it while I'm phasing out Windows on my home PCs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592598</id>
	<title>Economy creating the threat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259851560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the main threat is coming from a poor economy. People are much more willing to try out free products when money is tight.</p><p>OO may be slow and ugly compared to MS Office, but people rather eat than go hungry in order to buy a Microsoft product.</p><p>
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<tokenext>I think the main threat is coming from a poor economy .
People are much more willing to try out free products when money is tight.OO may be slow and ugly compared to MS Office , but people rather eat than go hungry in order to buy a Microsoft product .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the main threat is coming from a poor economy.
People are much more willing to try out free products when money is tight.OO may be slow and ugly compared to MS Office, but people rather eat than go hungry in order to buy a Microsoft product.
 </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592604</id>
	<title>OO is a work-alike-mostly-sorta to MS Office...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259851620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have OpenOffice installed on my main PC (XP64), because I don't need much more than the ability to open docs sent to me or that I download. Works fine for what I ask it to do.<br> <br>

But, my wife, who is an MS Office expert, can't stand it. It is just too limited and clunky compared to Office, she says. So, for her PC, I fork out the $$ and buy Office. Oh, and MS Office is on our shared MacBook.<br> <br>

For the "serious user" market, OO is not currently a threat to MS Office. But for the casual, "use it once in awhile" market, it is. Now, given Microsoft's history of competing against incumbent, entrenched players by targeting the bottom end of a market and improving over time with increasingly competitive but still cheaper technology, they are probably very sensitive to seeing OO become the easy choice for the entry-level user.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have OpenOffice installed on my main PC ( XP64 ) , because I do n't need much more than the ability to open docs sent to me or that I download .
Works fine for what I ask it to do .
But , my wife , who is an MS Office expert , ca n't stand it .
It is just too limited and clunky compared to Office , she says .
So , for her PC , I fork out the $ $ and buy Office .
Oh , and MS Office is on our shared MacBook .
For the " serious user " market , OO is not currently a threat to MS Office .
But for the casual , " use it once in awhile " market , it is .
Now , given Microsoft 's history of competing against incumbent , entrenched players by targeting the bottom end of a market and improving over time with increasingly competitive but still cheaper technology , they are probably very sensitive to seeing OO become the easy choice for the entry-level user .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have OpenOffice installed on my main PC (XP64), because I don't need much more than the ability to open docs sent to me or that I download.
Works fine for what I ask it to do.
But, my wife, who is an MS Office expert, can't stand it.
It is just too limited and clunky compared to Office, she says.
So, for her PC, I fork out the $$ and buy Office.
Oh, and MS Office is on our shared MacBook.
For the "serious user" market, OO is not currently a threat to MS Office.
But for the casual, "use it once in awhile" market, it is.
Now, given Microsoft's history of competing against incumbent, entrenched players by targeting the bottom end of a market and improving over time with increasingly competitive but still cheaper technology, they are probably very sensitive to seeing OO become the easy choice for the entry-level user.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30596066</id>
	<title>Awful lot of drama here</title>
	<author>sean.peters</author>
	<datestamp>1259864220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... regarding something that is a pretty commonsense business move. I like to get my MS bash on too, but seriously. Every company (if they want to stay in business) keeps tabs on both real and potential competitors. Every company also looks for opportunities to cooperate with other companies/organizations - even if these outfits are also competitors. So there's nothing particularly nefarious about MS 1) keeping tabs on what's going on with various FOSS projects, 2) looking for ways to cooperate with them, or 3) doing both at the same time. Sun, Linus, etc, no doubt are aware that what they say to MS reps could be used to improve MS products later. This isn't illegal or even unethical - it's healthy business competition, and it's good for everyone involved.</p><p>Now if the MS rep(s) misrepresented their allegiance to MS in these conversations, or improperly obtained and used Sun's/Linus's/whoever's proprietary data to improve their products, that would be something else. But there's no evidence that that's what's happening here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... regarding something that is a pretty commonsense business move .
I like to get my MS bash on too , but seriously .
Every company ( if they want to stay in business ) keeps tabs on both real and potential competitors .
Every company also looks for opportunities to cooperate with other companies/organizations - even if these outfits are also competitors .
So there 's nothing particularly nefarious about MS 1 ) keeping tabs on what 's going on with various FOSS projects , 2 ) looking for ways to cooperate with them , or 3 ) doing both at the same time .
Sun , Linus , etc , no doubt are aware that what they say to MS reps could be used to improve MS products later .
This is n't illegal or even unethical - it 's healthy business competition , and it 's good for everyone involved.Now if the MS rep ( s ) misrepresented their allegiance to MS in these conversations , or improperly obtained and used Sun 's/Linus 's/whoever 's proprietary data to improve their products , that would be something else .
But there 's no evidence that that 's what 's happening here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... regarding something that is a pretty commonsense business move.
I like to get my MS bash on too, but seriously.
Every company (if they want to stay in business) keeps tabs on both real and potential competitors.
Every company also looks for opportunities to cooperate with other companies/organizations - even if these outfits are also competitors.
So there's nothing particularly nefarious about MS 1) keeping tabs on what's going on with various FOSS projects, 2) looking for ways to cooperate with them, or 3) doing both at the same time.
Sun, Linus, etc, no doubt are aware that what they say to MS reps could be used to improve MS products later.
This isn't illegal or even unethical - it's healthy business competition, and it's good for everyone involved.Now if the MS rep(s) misrepresented their allegiance to MS in these conversations, or improperly obtained and used Sun's/Linus's/whoever's proprietary data to improve their products, that would be something else.
But there's no evidence that that's what's happening here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30597230</id>
	<title>Re:Still using old Gnome office suite</title>
	<author>BrokenHalo</author>
	<datestamp>1259868300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Actually, I more prefer Abiword and Gnumeric over OO.o.</i> <br> <br>
Gnumeric is a truly excellent program. Unfortunately, acceptance of the "Gnome Office" suite was sadly marred by fact that Abiword is just not in the same league. But OOo (and its close cousin, NeoOffice) has overcome its earlier shortcomings, and is now more than just a serious alternative to MSOffice. On my Linux boxes I don't have much of a choice (apart from Latex/LyX/TeX), but on my MacBook, I haven't fired up MSOffice in months.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I more prefer Abiword and Gnumeric over OO.o .
Gnumeric is a truly excellent program .
Unfortunately , acceptance of the " Gnome Office " suite was sadly marred by fact that Abiword is just not in the same league .
But OOo ( and its close cousin , NeoOffice ) has overcome its earlier shortcomings , and is now more than just a serious alternative to MSOffice .
On my Linux boxes I do n't have much of a choice ( apart from Latex/LyX/TeX ) , but on my MacBook , I have n't fired up MSOffice in months .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I more prefer Abiword and Gnumeric over OO.o.
Gnumeric is a truly excellent program.
Unfortunately, acceptance of the "Gnome Office" suite was sadly marred by fact that Abiword is just not in the same league.
But OOo (and its close cousin, NeoOffice) has overcome its earlier shortcomings, and is now more than just a serious alternative to MSOffice.
On my Linux boxes I don't have much of a choice (apart from Latex/LyX/TeX), but on my MacBook, I haven't fired up MSOffice in months.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592514</id>
	<title>Protect the Cash Cows</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259850840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Of course, these two products compete directly with their two big cash cows.  OO may not seriously compete today, but these things change and Microsoft can't get complacent.  Is it any surprise that they would take any competitors seriously?  I think they are smart enough to know that both Linux and OO are strong products and you really only need a few leaders out there to use these things successfully before others start slowly migrating these products into their environments, and what was once guaranteed profits start to trickle away slowly.  Even if companies target areas to use these free products in less critical areas this hurts them.  I know in our organization we could easily replace some of our 1500 servers with Linux where right now no matter how light the load or low priority the system is we dump W2K3 or 8 on it. We couldn't do it on all, but easily on some and nobody would even notice.  The only thing that stops it is fear of the unknown.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , these two products compete directly with their two big cash cows .
OO may not seriously compete today , but these things change and Microsoft ca n't get complacent .
Is it any surprise that they would take any competitors seriously ?
I think they are smart enough to know that both Linux and OO are strong products and you really only need a few leaders out there to use these things successfully before others start slowly migrating these products into their environments , and what was once guaranteed profits start to trickle away slowly .
Even if companies target areas to use these free products in less critical areas this hurts them .
I know in our organization we could easily replace some of our 1500 servers with Linux where right now no matter how light the load or low priority the system is we dump W2K3 or 8 on it .
We could n't do it on all , but easily on some and nobody would even notice .
The only thing that stops it is fear of the unknown .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, these two products compete directly with their two big cash cows.
OO may not seriously compete today, but these things change and Microsoft can't get complacent.
Is it any surprise that they would take any competitors seriously?
I think they are smart enough to know that both Linux and OO are strong products and you really only need a few leaders out there to use these things successfully before others start slowly migrating these products into their environments, and what was once guaranteed profits start to trickle away slowly.
Even if companies target areas to use these free products in less critical areas this hurts them.
I know in our organization we could easily replace some of our 1500 servers with Linux where right now no matter how light the load or low priority the system is we dump W2K3 or 8 on it.
We couldn't do it on all, but easily on some and nobody would even notice.
The only thing that stops it is fear of the unknown.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30596144</id>
	<title>OO directly attacks the basis of their monopoly</title>
	<author>grandpa-geek</author>
	<datestamp>1259864460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use OO all the time and it has been my main office suite since it was first released.  Especially at Version 3, I have very little difficulty collaborating with others on documents in MS Office formats.</p><p>Back during the Microsoft monopoly trial, it was pointed out that the file incompatibility of MS Office file formats with those of other office suites is the basis of Microsoft's Windows monopoly.   That is why many corporate users feel they must use MS Office and thereby adopt Windows as their basic operating system.</p><p>Executive Row at Microsoft must realize this.  Take away the need for MS Office and you eliminate the need for Windows.  That's why they regard OO as a major threat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use OO all the time and it has been my main office suite since it was first released .
Especially at Version 3 , I have very little difficulty collaborating with others on documents in MS Office formats.Back during the Microsoft monopoly trial , it was pointed out that the file incompatibility of MS Office file formats with those of other office suites is the basis of Microsoft 's Windows monopoly .
That is why many corporate users feel they must use MS Office and thereby adopt Windows as their basic operating system.Executive Row at Microsoft must realize this .
Take away the need for MS Office and you eliminate the need for Windows .
That 's why they regard OO as a major threat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use OO all the time and it has been my main office suite since it was first released.
Especially at Version 3, I have very little difficulty collaborating with others on documents in MS Office formats.Back during the Microsoft monopoly trial, it was pointed out that the file incompatibility of MS Office file formats with those of other office suites is the basis of Microsoft's Windows monopoly.
That is why many corporate users feel they must use MS Office and thereby adopt Windows as their basic operating system.Executive Row at Microsoft must realize this.
Take away the need for MS Office and you eliminate the need for Windows.
That's why they regard OO as a major threat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593516</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>patiodragon</author>
	<datestamp>1259856120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr><i>...I don't have time for that at 8 AM on a work day.</i>.</p></div><p>STFU and get back to work!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...I do n't have time for that at 8 AM on a work day..STFU and get back to work !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...I don't have time for that at 8 AM on a work day..STFU and get back to work!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592826</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30599236</id>
	<title>I'm confused about genders and money</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1259833260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So, for <b>her</b> PC, <b>I</b> fork out the $$ and buy Office.</p></div><p>Maybe this is just a stupid question, but why doesn't <em>she</em> fork out the $$ for <em>her</em> PC?</p><p>What am I missing?  Some universal truth about human nature?  Or just a social norm in your society?  Or something third?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , for her PC , I fork out the $ $ and buy Office.Maybe this is just a stupid question , but why does n't she fork out the $ $ for her PC ? What am I missing ?
Some universal truth about human nature ?
Or just a social norm in your society ?
Or something third ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, for her PC, I fork out the $$ and buy Office.Maybe this is just a stupid question, but why doesn't she fork out the $$ for her PC?What am I missing?
Some universal truth about human nature?
Or just a social norm in your society?
Or something third?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592614</id>
	<title>All M$ news are carefully worded to show some hate</title>
	<author>gtirloni</author>
	<datestamp>1259851740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>To the point of competing with the worst tabloids out there.

Who ares if M$ thinks OO is a threat ? It sure is so what's the news ?

"OMG M$ admits OO is a threat.. wow! OO is super powerful now. See!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>To the point of competing with the worst tabloids out there .
Who ares if M $ thinks OO is a threat ?
It sure is so what 's the news ?
" OMG M $ admits OO is a threat.. wow ! OO is super powerful now .
See ! "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To the point of competing with the worst tabloids out there.
Who ares if M$ thinks OO is a threat ?
It sure is so what's the news ?
"OMG M$ admits OO is a threat.. wow! OO is super powerful now.
See!"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594226</id>
	<title>Re:Protect the Cash Cows</title>
	<author>TechForensics</author>
	<datestamp>1259858640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> I know in our organization we could easily replace some of our 1500 servers with Linux where right now no matter how light the load or low priority the system is we dump W2K3 or 8 on it. We couldn't do it on all, but easily on some and nobody would even notice.  The only thing that stops it is fear of the unknown.</p></div><p>DAMN this is true.  Last place I worked they gave me specs and budget for a server that just couldn't be met with M$, so I quietly built a FreeBSD server.  When they found out they were angry and in a panic, but when they saw how well and how trouble-free it was working, I got lots of belated praise.  Fear of the unknown is it, alright... I had to use stealth.  (Don't try this at work-- your job mileage may suddenly terminate.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know in our organization we could easily replace some of our 1500 servers with Linux where right now no matter how light the load or low priority the system is we dump W2K3 or 8 on it .
We could n't do it on all , but easily on some and nobody would even notice .
The only thing that stops it is fear of the unknown.DAMN this is true .
Last place I worked they gave me specs and budget for a server that just could n't be met with M $ , so I quietly built a FreeBSD server .
When they found out they were angry and in a panic , but when they saw how well and how trouble-free it was working , I got lots of belated praise .
Fear of the unknown is it , alright... I had to use stealth .
( Do n't try this at work-- your job mileage may suddenly terminate .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I know in our organization we could easily replace some of our 1500 servers with Linux where right now no matter how light the load or low priority the system is we dump W2K3 or 8 on it.
We couldn't do it on all, but easily on some and nobody would even notice.
The only thing that stops it is fear of the unknown.DAMN this is true.
Last place I worked they gave me specs and budget for a server that just couldn't be met with M$, so I quietly built a FreeBSD server.
When they found out they were angry and in a panic, but when they saw how well and how trouble-free it was working, I got lots of belated praise.
Fear of the unknown is it, alright... I had to use stealth.
(Don't try this at work-- your job mileage may suddenly terminate.
)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593502</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1259856060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OpenOffice can tell Windows it's capable of reading CSV files, but not install itself as the default for opening CSV files. Then when you double-clicked it, you'd get a nice little dialog that reads something like, "there is no default program for this file format, would you like to use the following program? * OpenOffice". I believe that's what Excel does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenOffice can tell Windows it 's capable of reading CSV files , but not install itself as the default for opening CSV files .
Then when you double-clicked it , you 'd get a nice little dialog that reads something like , " there is no default program for this file format , would you like to use the following program ?
* OpenOffice " .
I believe that 's what Excel does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenOffice can tell Windows it's capable of reading CSV files, but not install itself as the default for opening CSV files.
Then when you double-clicked it, you'd get a nice little dialog that reads something like, "there is no default program for this file format, would you like to use the following program?
* OpenOffice".
I believe that's what Excel does.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592432</id>
	<title>Frist posat</title>
	<author>Neuroelectronic</author>
	<datestamp>1259849880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft makes money, so obviously they would use this as a competitive advantage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft makes money , so obviously they would use this as a competitive advantage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft makes money, so obviously they would use this as a competitive advantage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594834</id>
	<title>Re:Engage?</title>
	<author>azgard</author>
	<datestamp>1259860500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's also what men do with women.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's also what men do with women .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's also what men do with women.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592670</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592716</id>
	<title>Re:Flip Flop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259852400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think it's you who lacks metal flexibility and out of the box thinking.<br> <br>In this holy war of OSS vs MS it seems that the open source crowd can only see two sides instead of a bunch of products and the end users. Microsoft seems to see it as a land of opportunity to deal with open source in a constructive manner and still keep their products competitive. Microsoft can gain from open source the same as anyone else but they still need to maintain profitability with their foundation of products. Why is this such a hard concept for the open source jihadists?<br> <br>And if you think for a moment that they wouldn't be investigating another office product that had as much market share as OO does even if it wasn't open source you'd be dead wrong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's you who lacks metal flexibility and out of the box thinking .
In this holy war of OSS vs MS it seems that the open source crowd can only see two sides instead of a bunch of products and the end users .
Microsoft seems to see it as a land of opportunity to deal with open source in a constructive manner and still keep their products competitive .
Microsoft can gain from open source the same as anyone else but they still need to maintain profitability with their foundation of products .
Why is this such a hard concept for the open source jihadists ?
And if you think for a moment that they would n't be investigating another office product that had as much market share as OO does even if it was n't open source you 'd be dead wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's you who lacks metal flexibility and out of the box thinking.
In this holy war of OSS vs MS it seems that the open source crowd can only see two sides instead of a bunch of products and the end users.
Microsoft seems to see it as a land of opportunity to deal with open source in a constructive manner and still keep their products competitive.
Microsoft can gain from open source the same as anyone else but they still need to maintain profitability with their foundation of products.
Why is this such a hard concept for the open source jihadists?
And if you think for a moment that they wouldn't be investigating another office product that had as much market share as OO does even if it wasn't open source you'd be dead wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30599412</id>
	<title>Re:I use it because...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259834100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>your 5 year old niece clearly hasnt been using the old gui for 10 years+<br>The niece probably doesn't use  sections tabs or anchors</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>your 5 year old niece clearly hasnt been using the old gui for 10 years + The niece probably does n't use sections tabs or anchors</tokentext>
<sentencetext>your 5 year old niece clearly hasnt been using the old gui for 10 years+The niece probably doesn't use  sections tabs or anchors</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30596652</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>nxtw</author>
	<datestamp>1259866080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CSV is associated with Microsoft Excel by default.  And it opens my CSV files quickly...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CSV is associated with Microsoft Excel by default .
And it opens my CSV files quickly.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CSV is associated with Microsoft Excel by default.
And it opens my CSV files quickly...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30596250</id>
	<title>Lets hope not</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1259864820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If so, we can kiss it good bye, which will be a great loss to the community. While they cant buy it out to kill it like they have done to others in the past ( like truespace, for a quick example.. ), I'm sure they will find a way to neuter it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If so , we can kiss it good bye , which will be a great loss to the community .
While they cant buy it out to kill it like they have done to others in the past ( like truespace , for a quick example.. ) , I 'm sure they will find a way to neuter it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If so, we can kiss it good bye, which will be a great loss to the community.
While they cant buy it out to kill it like they have done to others in the past ( like truespace, for a quick example.. ), I'm sure they will find a way to neuter it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592826</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259853000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It didn't do what you wanted. You didn't find a menu item and you moved on probably without even consulting documentation or Googling. It's possible that OO is lacking the functionality you wanted to use.</i></p><p>1. I gave one specific example so my post wouldn't be 1000 words. I don't have time for that at 8 AM on a work day.</p><p>2. If a piece of software is a "threat" to Microsoft Office, then it better function like people who use Microsoft Office every day expect it to function. Resizing all the cells at once is B A S I C functionality, not some out of the way item that should be buried four levels down in the tree.</p><p>3. The general public (and I don't fall into that category) won't even give it as much time as I did.</p><p>4. As far as PEBKAC, get real.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It did n't do what you wanted .
You did n't find a menu item and you moved on probably without even consulting documentation or Googling .
It 's possible that OO is lacking the functionality you wanted to use.1 .
I gave one specific example so my post would n't be 1000 words .
I do n't have time for that at 8 AM on a work day.2 .
If a piece of software is a " threat " to Microsoft Office , then it better function like people who use Microsoft Office every day expect it to function .
Resizing all the cells at once is B A S I C functionality , not some out of the way item that should be buried four levels down in the tree.3 .
The general public ( and I do n't fall into that category ) wo n't even give it as much time as I did.4 .
As far as PEBKAC , get real .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It didn't do what you wanted.
You didn't find a menu item and you moved on probably without even consulting documentation or Googling.
It's possible that OO is lacking the functionality you wanted to use.1.
I gave one specific example so my post wouldn't be 1000 words.
I don't have time for that at 8 AM on a work day.2.
If a piece of software is a "threat" to Microsoft Office, then it better function like people who use Microsoft Office every day expect it to function.
Resizing all the cells at once is B A S I C functionality, not some out of the way item that should be buried four levels down in the tree.3.
The general public (and I don't fall into that category) won't even give it as much time as I did.4.
As far as PEBKAC, get real.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593178</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1259854800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><i>2. If a piece of software is a "threat" to Microsoft Office, then it better function like people who use Microsoft Office every day expect it to function.</i></p> </div><p>Why? Office 2007 doesn't function the way that people who use earlier versions of Office expect it to function. I have Office 2007 on one of my home PCs (I've had it for over a year). I use Office 2003 at work. On a regular basis I come across basic functionality that it takes me 10 or more minutes to figure out how to do in Office 2007 because it doesn't work like earlier versions of Office. I often give up and transfer the project to OO.o because it is easier to figure out how to do it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>2 .
If a piece of software is a " threat " to Microsoft Office , then it better function like people who use Microsoft Office every day expect it to function .
Why ? Office 2007 does n't function the way that people who use earlier versions of Office expect it to function .
I have Office 2007 on one of my home PCs ( I 've had it for over a year ) .
I use Office 2003 at work .
On a regular basis I come across basic functionality that it takes me 10 or more minutes to figure out how to do in Office 2007 because it does n't work like earlier versions of Office .
I often give up and transfer the project to OO.o because it is easier to figure out how to do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2.
If a piece of software is a "threat" to Microsoft Office, then it better function like people who use Microsoft Office every day expect it to function.
Why? Office 2007 doesn't function the way that people who use earlier versions of Office expect it to function.
I have Office 2007 on one of my home PCs (I've had it for over a year).
I use Office 2003 at work.
On a regular basis I come across basic functionality that it takes me 10 or more minutes to figure out how to do in Office 2007 because it doesn't work like earlier versions of Office.
I often give up and transfer the project to OO.o because it is easier to figure out how to do it.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592834</id>
	<title>Re:I use it because...</title>
	<author>asdf7890</author>
	<datestamp>1259853120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My 5 year old niece uses  W2007, how hard can it be?</p></div><p>This comment you are replying to is not how hard it is, especially not to a newcomer as you niece, but about <i>familiarity</i>.</p><p>One of the key arguments against MS Office alternatives prior to Office2007 was the inconvenience, and possible financial costs, of retraining for people already familiar with Office. It wasn't that the alternatives were <i>harder to use</i> (Office was no paragon of truly intuitive design and neither were the alternatives so the difference in that respect was a close to naught as makes not odds), it was that they were <i>different</i>. Pro MS commenters quietly dropped the argument shortly before Office 2007 arrived and the same argument is now being landed on the newer MS products by promoters of alternatives.</p><p>I've not used Office 2007 enough to form a definite opinion though I suspect I won't particularly care either way - if it does the job without being too irritating I'll use what-ever tool I have available. I use Office 2003 those few times I need such a thing at work (I'm a developer/DBa/SysAdmin at a small company so have little time to use office applications even when I would want to (documentation and test plans usually falling to someone else with some guidance and later editing from myself and others in my position, and documentation intended for users and/or trainers is definitely better prepared by people not like me) and OO.o for personal stuff (both on my main home PC and netbook). I have encountered Office 2007 at work, but only briefly. I know people who do use it regularly though and their opinions range from love to hate covering everything between, and there seems to be little correlation (after the initial training/retraining period) between the sort of person (in terms of their overall techie-ness and level of previous experience with such applications) and which end of the spectrum they sit closet to - so I suspect that in the long run it simply comes down to difficult-to-objetify personal preference.</p></div>
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<tokenext>My 5 year old niece uses W2007 , how hard can it be ? This comment you are replying to is not how hard it is , especially not to a newcomer as you niece , but about familiarity.One of the key arguments against MS Office alternatives prior to Office2007 was the inconvenience , and possible financial costs , of retraining for people already familiar with Office .
It was n't that the alternatives were harder to use ( Office was no paragon of truly intuitive design and neither were the alternatives so the difference in that respect was a close to naught as makes not odds ) , it was that they were different .
Pro MS commenters quietly dropped the argument shortly before Office 2007 arrived and the same argument is now being landed on the newer MS products by promoters of alternatives.I 've not used Office 2007 enough to form a definite opinion though I suspect I wo n't particularly care either way - if it does the job without being too irritating I 'll use what-ever tool I have available .
I use Office 2003 those few times I need such a thing at work ( I 'm a developer/DBa/SysAdmin at a small company so have little time to use office applications even when I would want to ( documentation and test plans usually falling to someone else with some guidance and later editing from myself and others in my position , and documentation intended for users and/or trainers is definitely better prepared by people not like me ) and OO.o for personal stuff ( both on my main home PC and netbook ) .
I have encountered Office 2007 at work , but only briefly .
I know people who do use it regularly though and their opinions range from love to hate covering everything between , and there seems to be little correlation ( after the initial training/retraining period ) between the sort of person ( in terms of their overall techie-ness and level of previous experience with such applications ) and which end of the spectrum they sit closet to - so I suspect that in the long run it simply comes down to difficult-to-objetify personal preference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My 5 year old niece uses  W2007, how hard can it be?This comment you are replying to is not how hard it is, especially not to a newcomer as you niece, but about familiarity.One of the key arguments against MS Office alternatives prior to Office2007 was the inconvenience, and possible financial costs, of retraining for people already familiar with Office.
It wasn't that the alternatives were harder to use (Office was no paragon of truly intuitive design and neither were the alternatives so the difference in that respect was a close to naught as makes not odds), it was that they were different.
Pro MS commenters quietly dropped the argument shortly before Office 2007 arrived and the same argument is now being landed on the newer MS products by promoters of alternatives.I've not used Office 2007 enough to form a definite opinion though I suspect I won't particularly care either way - if it does the job without being too irritating I'll use what-ever tool I have available.
I use Office 2003 those few times I need such a thing at work (I'm a developer/DBa/SysAdmin at a small company so have little time to use office applications even when I would want to (documentation and test plans usually falling to someone else with some guidance and later editing from myself and others in my position, and documentation intended for users and/or trainers is definitely better prepared by people not like me) and OO.o for personal stuff (both on my main home PC and netbook).
I have encountered Office 2007 at work, but only briefly.
I know people who do use it regularly though and their opinions range from love to hate covering everything between, and there seems to be little correlation (after the initial training/retraining period) between the sort of person (in terms of their overall techie-ness and level of previous experience with such applications) and which end of the spectrum they sit closet to - so I suspect that in the long run it simply comes down to difficult-to-objetify personal preference.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593968</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Junta</author>
	<datestamp>1259857740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Firefox doesn't already know that CSV should be tied to OO? Shouldn't that have occurred at install time by OO?</p></div><p>This could be a complicated issue.  For example, if I cared much about the GUI knowing what to do when I clicked (I usually go via the app to my data), I might get upset if OpenOffice.org re-associated csv from, hypothetically, gvim.  CSV is a funky format in that it is quite likely feasible to manipulate with multiple apps installed concurrently.  OpenOffice.org installer may be able to ask which ones to do/not do (it might for all I know), but that could also be perceived as asking a user a question that's 'too hard'.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>So I got a netbook<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...Takes a long fucking time to open OO. I mean a LONG time.</p></div><p>In defense of the software, I've heard that most netbook platforms are pretty slow to open anything (Excel included) to people used to using higher end equipment.  Hard to compare when you don't mention if you tried Office 2k7 and didn't see the issue.  I think there are faster spreadsheet apps than MS Office or OpenOffice, but in brief I think they are generally only 90\% there in terms of capability.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I select all the fields and go to resize them all with a single click but--nothing happens.</p></div><p>This may be a fault of openoffice or merely a difference.  I don't use spreadsheets to know the action you are describing (select multiple rows and one click without drag does something?), whether it is an 'obvious' intuitive way to do it or a learned behavior from MS Office.  The former would be a fair criticism, the latter an unfair comparison if OpenOffice implements it in an equally accessible, but different way, but I have no idea one way or another.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Firefox does n't already know that CSV should be tied to OO ?
Should n't that have occurred at install time by OO ? This could be a complicated issue .
For example , if I cared much about the GUI knowing what to do when I clicked ( I usually go via the app to my data ) , I might get upset if OpenOffice.org re-associated csv from , hypothetically , gvim .
CSV is a funky format in that it is quite likely feasible to manipulate with multiple apps installed concurrently .
OpenOffice.org installer may be able to ask which ones to do/not do ( it might for all I know ) , but that could also be perceived as asking a user a question that 's 'too hard'.So I got a netbook ...Takes a long fucking time to open OO .
I mean a LONG time.In defense of the software , I 've heard that most netbook platforms are pretty slow to open anything ( Excel included ) to people used to using higher end equipment .
Hard to compare when you do n't mention if you tried Office 2k7 and did n't see the issue .
I think there are faster spreadsheet apps than MS Office or OpenOffice , but in brief I think they are generally only 90 \ % there in terms of capability.I select all the fields and go to resize them all with a single click but--nothing happens.This may be a fault of openoffice or merely a difference .
I do n't use spreadsheets to know the action you are describing ( select multiple rows and one click without drag does something ?
) , whether it is an 'obvious ' intuitive way to do it or a learned behavior from MS Office .
The former would be a fair criticism , the latter an unfair comparison if OpenOffice implements it in an equally accessible , but different way , but I have no idea one way or another .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Firefox doesn't already know that CSV should be tied to OO?
Shouldn't that have occurred at install time by OO?This could be a complicated issue.
For example, if I cared much about the GUI knowing what to do when I clicked (I usually go via the app to my data), I might get upset if OpenOffice.org re-associated csv from, hypothetically, gvim.
CSV is a funky format in that it is quite likely feasible to manipulate with multiple apps installed concurrently.
OpenOffice.org installer may be able to ask which ones to do/not do (it might for all I know), but that could also be perceived as asking a user a question that's 'too hard'.So I got a netbook ...Takes a long fucking time to open OO.
I mean a LONG time.In defense of the software, I've heard that most netbook platforms are pretty slow to open anything (Excel included) to people used to using higher end equipment.
Hard to compare when you don't mention if you tried Office 2k7 and didn't see the issue.
I think there are faster spreadsheet apps than MS Office or OpenOffice, but in brief I think they are generally only 90\% there in terms of capability.I select all the fields and go to resize them all with a single click but--nothing happens.This may be a fault of openoffice or merely a difference.
I don't use spreadsheets to know the action you are describing (select multiple rows and one click without drag does something?
), whether it is an 'obvious' intuitive way to do it or a learned behavior from MS Office.
The former would be a fair criticism, the latter an unfair comparison if OpenOffice implements it in an equally accessible, but different way, but I have no idea one way or another.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30602640</id>
	<title>These sort of positions are not new</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259858520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Competitive analysis jobs have been around at Microsoft for a long time.  It isn't new for there to be one to look at Linux, either.  I knew someone 10 years ago that was doing that job.</p><p>This is actually very normal for large and successful businesses.  At least...it is normal for the business that want to keep being large and successful.</p><p>It amazes me (and amuses me) sometimes to see how shocked the Slashdot crowd can be over things that have been perfectly normal in business since before your grandparents were born.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Competitive analysis jobs have been around at Microsoft for a long time .
It is n't new for there to be one to look at Linux , either .
I knew someone 10 years ago that was doing that job.This is actually very normal for large and successful businesses .
At least...it is normal for the business that want to keep being large and successful.It amazes me ( and amuses me ) sometimes to see how shocked the Slashdot crowd can be over things that have been perfectly normal in business since before your grandparents were born .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Competitive analysis jobs have been around at Microsoft for a long time.
It isn't new for there to be one to look at Linux, either.
I knew someone 10 years ago that was doing that job.This is actually very normal for large and successful businesses.
At least...it is normal for the business that want to keep being large and successful.It amazes me (and amuses me) sometimes to see how shocked the Slashdot crowd can be over things that have been perfectly normal in business since before your grandparents were born.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594016</id>
	<title>Openoffice has already affected Microsoft.</title>
	<author>vakuona</author>
	<datestamp>1259857920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It has struck me how much more affordable Microsoft Office has become over the last few years for home use. A lot of this is no doubt because Openoffice.org is good enough for most people. Soon, Microsoft may be forced to give it away for home use, or sell it for a true pittance, and depend on business sales to make any money from Office. Microsoft's biggest threat on the Office front is that Openoffice.org (or another free office suite) becomes good enough that users don't want to pay extra for something they do not do much more than simple documents and simple spreadsheets with. I wonder why Dell et al are not offering users such an option. Microsoft is also experimenting with ad supported Office to try and counter the free office suites.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It has struck me how much more affordable Microsoft Office has become over the last few years for home use .
A lot of this is no doubt because Openoffice.org is good enough for most people .
Soon , Microsoft may be forced to give it away for home use , or sell it for a true pittance , and depend on business sales to make any money from Office .
Microsoft 's biggest threat on the Office front is that Openoffice.org ( or another free office suite ) becomes good enough that users do n't want to pay extra for something they do not do much more than simple documents and simple spreadsheets with .
I wonder why Dell et al are not offering users such an option .
Microsoft is also experimenting with ad supported Office to try and counter the free office suites .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has struck me how much more affordable Microsoft Office has become over the last few years for home use.
A lot of this is no doubt because Openoffice.org is good enough for most people.
Soon, Microsoft may be forced to give it away for home use, or sell it for a true pittance, and depend on business sales to make any money from Office.
Microsoft's biggest threat on the Office front is that Openoffice.org (or another free office suite) becomes good enough that users don't want to pay extra for something they do not do much more than simple documents and simple spreadsheets with.
I wonder why Dell et al are not offering users such an option.
Microsoft is also experimenting with ad supported Office to try and counter the free office suites.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593954</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259857680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you nine? Or an idiot?</p><p>Btw, as a midget I find your use of the word shortcomings very unpleasant.  Please use "of-below-average-size-comings" in future.  "Fuck", on the other hand, is fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you nine ?
Or an idiot ? Btw , as a midget I find your use of the word shortcomings very unpleasant .
Please use " of-below-average-size-comings " in future .
" Fuck " , on the other hand , is fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you nine?
Or an idiot?Btw, as a midget I find your use of the word shortcomings very unpleasant.
Please use "of-below-average-size-comings" in future.
"Fuck", on the other hand, is fine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30598810</id>
	<title>Re: BS is ambivilent</title>
	<author>uassholes</author>
	<datestamp>1259831280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>emails we get out of the blue stating "we're an all Linux shop but we want an Exchange server with Outlook licenses for compatibility reasons.</p></div><p>Compatibility with what?  Sounds like BS to me.</p></div>
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<tokenext>emails we get out of the blue stating " we 're an all Linux shop but we want an Exchange server with Outlook licenses for compatibility reasons.Compatibility with what ?
Sounds like BS to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>emails we get out of the blue stating "we're an all Linux shop but we want an Exchange server with Outlook licenses for compatibility reasons.Compatibility with what?
Sounds like BS to me.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30595326</id>
	<title>Re:"Better"</title>
	<author>bigdavex</author>
	<datestamp>1259862000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It is not about the performance of the product, it's about performance-per-dollar.</p></div></blockquote><p>The businesses are looking at performance-per-dollar of an employee equipped with Open Office versus performance-per-dollar of an employee equipped with MS Office.  A typical business is going to find many more people who already know MS products and receive many more files generated by MS products.  It doesn't take much horsing around with software inconsistencies to eliminate the savings from the license.</p><p>I recommend OO to home users all the time, but if I business where I paid professionals to use an office suite, I would probably spring for the MS products.</p></div>
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<tokenext>It is not about the performance of the product , it 's about performance-per-dollar.The businesses are looking at performance-per-dollar of an employee equipped with Open Office versus performance-per-dollar of an employee equipped with MS Office .
A typical business is going to find many more people who already know MS products and receive many more files generated by MS products .
It does n't take much horsing around with software inconsistencies to eliminate the savings from the license.I recommend OO to home users all the time , but if I business where I paid professionals to use an office suite , I would probably spring for the MS products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is not about the performance of the product, it's about performance-per-dollar.The businesses are looking at performance-per-dollar of an employee equipped with Open Office versus performance-per-dollar of an employee equipped with MS Office.
A typical business is going to find many more people who already know MS products and receive many more files generated by MS products.
It doesn't take much horsing around with software inconsistencies to eliminate the savings from the license.I recommend OO to home users all the time, but if I business where I paid professionals to use an office suite, I would probably spring for the MS products.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594954</id>
	<title>If I were microsoft and I really wanted to hurt OO</title>
	<author>voss</author>
	<datestamp>1259860860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Id release microsoft works under an LGPL license.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Id release microsoft works under an LGPL license .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Id release microsoft works under an LGPL license.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30596886</id>
	<title>yawn</title>
	<author>dontmakemethink</author>
	<datestamp>1259866980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since when does it take much for Microsoft to stiffle competition?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when does it take much for Microsoft to stiffle competition ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when does it take much for Microsoft to stiffle competition?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30602688</id>
	<title>Re:Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.</title>
	<author>Eclipse-now</author>
	<datestamp>1259859360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Where does Symphony sit in comparison to OpenOffice? How many big corporations use it, what kind of backing and user adoption does it have, what are the numbers, advantages over OO, or will LS come to dominate the open source world?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where does Symphony sit in comparison to OpenOffice ?
How many big corporations use it , what kind of backing and user adoption does it have , what are the numbers , advantages over OO , or will LS come to dominate the open source world ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where does Symphony sit in comparison to OpenOffice?
How many big corporations use it, what kind of backing and user adoption does it have, what are the numbers, advantages over OO, or will LS come to dominate the open source world?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594754</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>vcgodinich</author>
	<datestamp>1259860260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>On this machine i am typing on, (the newest) OO (starts up and) loads a smallish spreadsheet (made by itself, in it's native file type) in around 20 seconds.<p>Office 2007 excel opens it in around 5. </p><p>Fresh restart etc...</p><p>Call office bloated all you want, but it -is- faster.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On this machine i am typing on , ( the newest ) OO ( starts up and ) loads a smallish spreadsheet ( made by itself , in it 's native file type ) in around 20 seconds.Office 2007 excel opens it in around 5 .
Fresh restart etc...Call office bloated all you want , but it -is- faster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On this machine i am typing on, (the newest) OO (starts up and) loads a smallish spreadsheet (made by itself, in it's native file type) in around 20 seconds.Office 2007 excel opens it in around 5.
Fresh restart etc...Call office bloated all you want, but it -is- faster.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593204</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1259854920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is exactly the attitude that is holding FOSS back.</p><p>The idea that it's always the user's fault, and that if something didn't work for them, the software couldn't possibly be wrong, ever.</p><p>I've had the same with Eclipse, it's not a bad piece of software for free, but compared to Visual Studio it's just stupid. The windows installer is actually just a zip file you unzip to where you want and create your own shortcut. The different plugins and addons just don't play well so you have to make multiple copies of Eclipse if you develop with some different technologies or face functionality not working right. The intellisense is really have arsed, and doesn't flow well always when typing code such that pressing enter to line break at the wrong time will actually insert a piece of intellisense code you didn't actually want because you didn't do away with it in the first place, simple but useful features like bulk increase/decrease indent are hidden, tab does the indent increase but what does the decrease? You have to search for these things and you simply should not have to when it's competitor, Visual Studio, just does all these things fine out the box.</p><p>Large parts of the FOSS movement really need to look more strongly at usability, take users complaints seriously and evaluate what can be done to solve them rather than simply blaming the user. Even if the competition doesn't do what the user wants (i.e. Office), that's still no excuse. If it wants to push out Microsoft it needs to do better than Microsoft, Microsoft is for the most part the default so it has to give people reasons to want to move away from Microsoft, not give reasons to stay with it.</p><p>It's not like usability is even that hard for the most part, I write software for non-technical people for a living and it doesn't take much more than a sit down with a few users to find out what things they dislike and how they would prefer it to work for such changes to make a world of difference to people using the system. The changes aren't even necessarily that big, it just takes a little communication with the users that's all and quite suprisingly it's rarely the case that users have conflicting views on how something should be done, or where they do that both methods can't be made available or in the worst case, reasonably provided as an obvious, easily changed user setting.</p><p>To answer the headline, no, whilst Microsoft invests in improving usability and FOSS often just calls usability the user's problem, the likes of OO.o unfortunately won't be a threat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is exactly the attitude that is holding FOSS back.The idea that it 's always the user 's fault , and that if something did n't work for them , the software could n't possibly be wrong , ever.I 've had the same with Eclipse , it 's not a bad piece of software for free , but compared to Visual Studio it 's just stupid .
The windows installer is actually just a zip file you unzip to where you want and create your own shortcut .
The different plugins and addons just do n't play well so you have to make multiple copies of Eclipse if you develop with some different technologies or face functionality not working right .
The intellisense is really have arsed , and does n't flow well always when typing code such that pressing enter to line break at the wrong time will actually insert a piece of intellisense code you did n't actually want because you did n't do away with it in the first place , simple but useful features like bulk increase/decrease indent are hidden , tab does the indent increase but what does the decrease ?
You have to search for these things and you simply should not have to when it 's competitor , Visual Studio , just does all these things fine out the box.Large parts of the FOSS movement really need to look more strongly at usability , take users complaints seriously and evaluate what can be done to solve them rather than simply blaming the user .
Even if the competition does n't do what the user wants ( i.e .
Office ) , that 's still no excuse .
If it wants to push out Microsoft it needs to do better than Microsoft , Microsoft is for the most part the default so it has to give people reasons to want to move away from Microsoft , not give reasons to stay with it.It 's not like usability is even that hard for the most part , I write software for non-technical people for a living and it does n't take much more than a sit down with a few users to find out what things they dislike and how they would prefer it to work for such changes to make a world of difference to people using the system .
The changes are n't even necessarily that big , it just takes a little communication with the users that 's all and quite suprisingly it 's rarely the case that users have conflicting views on how something should be done , or where they do that both methods ca n't be made available or in the worst case , reasonably provided as an obvious , easily changed user setting.To answer the headline , no , whilst Microsoft invests in improving usability and FOSS often just calls usability the user 's problem , the likes of OO.o unfortunately wo n't be a threat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is exactly the attitude that is holding FOSS back.The idea that it's always the user's fault, and that if something didn't work for them, the software couldn't possibly be wrong, ever.I've had the same with Eclipse, it's not a bad piece of software for free, but compared to Visual Studio it's just stupid.
The windows installer is actually just a zip file you unzip to where you want and create your own shortcut.
The different plugins and addons just don't play well so you have to make multiple copies of Eclipse if you develop with some different technologies or face functionality not working right.
The intellisense is really have arsed, and doesn't flow well always when typing code such that pressing enter to line break at the wrong time will actually insert a piece of intellisense code you didn't actually want because you didn't do away with it in the first place, simple but useful features like bulk increase/decrease indent are hidden, tab does the indent increase but what does the decrease?
You have to search for these things and you simply should not have to when it's competitor, Visual Studio, just does all these things fine out the box.Large parts of the FOSS movement really need to look more strongly at usability, take users complaints seriously and evaluate what can be done to solve them rather than simply blaming the user.
Even if the competition doesn't do what the user wants (i.e.
Office), that's still no excuse.
If it wants to push out Microsoft it needs to do better than Microsoft, Microsoft is for the most part the default so it has to give people reasons to want to move away from Microsoft, not give reasons to stay with it.It's not like usability is even that hard for the most part, I write software for non-technical people for a living and it doesn't take much more than a sit down with a few users to find out what things they dislike and how they would prefer it to work for such changes to make a world of difference to people using the system.
The changes aren't even necessarily that big, it just takes a little communication with the users that's all and quite suprisingly it's rarely the case that users have conflicting views on how something should be done, or where they do that both methods can't be made available or in the worst case, reasonably provided as an obvious, easily changed user setting.To answer the headline, no, whilst Microsoft invests in improving usability and FOSS often just calls usability the user's problem, the likes of OO.o unfortunately won't be a threat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594616</id>
	<title>you're making this shit up !</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259859780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"<i>Figuring I'd save my accounting department a few hundred dollers pur desktop I uninstalled Microsoft Office from their PC's one night after the workers left</i>"<br> <br>

What Microsoft department did you get your refund from ?<br> <br>

"<i>One of my friends whose really smart and has worked at Best Bye for 6 months now said this Open Office program was just as good and was free! So I thought my bosses would really be proud at all of the money I saved them</i>"<br> <br>

Why did you uninstall 'Microsoft Office'? How did you save them money by uninstalling 'Microsoft Office' ?<br> <br>

"<i>Well, the next morning when the accountants came into work and couldn't open any of their Excel files I would of thought that the office was on fire!</i>"<br> <br>

What business do you have in interfering with the accounts department ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Figuring I 'd save my accounting department a few hundred dollers pur desktop I uninstalled Microsoft Office from their PC 's one night after the workers left " What Microsoft department did you get your refund from ?
" One of my friends whose really smart and has worked at Best Bye for 6 months now said this Open Office program was just as good and was free !
So I thought my bosses would really be proud at all of the money I saved them " Why did you uninstall 'Microsoft Office ' ?
How did you save them money by uninstalling 'Microsoft Office ' ?
" Well , the next morning when the accountants came into work and could n't open any of their Excel files I would of thought that the office was on fire !
" What business do you have in interfering with the accounts department ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Figuring I'd save my accounting department a few hundred dollers pur desktop I uninstalled Microsoft Office from their PC's one night after the workers left" 

What Microsoft department did you get your refund from ?
"One of my friends whose really smart and has worked at Best Bye for 6 months now said this Open Office program was just as good and was free!
So I thought my bosses would really be proud at all of the money I saved them" 

Why did you uninstall 'Microsoft Office'?
How did you save them money by uninstalling 'Microsoft Office' ?
"Well, the next morning when the accountants came into work and couldn't open any of their Excel files I would of thought that the office was on fire!
" 

What business do you have in interfering with the accounts department ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593034</id>
	<title>Re:Flip Flop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259854080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"the just lack that kind of mental flexibility and out of the box thinking"... I think you have that backwards. OpenOffice is attempting to copy Microsoft Word, not the other way around... perhaps Open Source developers can try to innovate something themselves instead of ripping off existing software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" the just lack that kind of mental flexibility and out of the box thinking " ... I think you have that backwards .
OpenOffice is attempting to copy Microsoft Word , not the other way around... perhaps Open Source developers can try to innovate something themselves instead of ripping off existing software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"the just lack that kind of mental flexibility and out of the box thinking"... I think you have that backwards.
OpenOffice is attempting to copy Microsoft Word, not the other way around... perhaps Open Source developers can try to innovate something themselves instead of ripping off existing software.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592510</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592754</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259852640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Can't be a very competent review with that kind of language.</i></p><p>I'll keep that in mind for when I write a review of OO for Wired or the New York Times. In the mean time, since this is Slashdot, I'll keep posting exactly like I have for the last 12+ years. Thanks!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't be a very competent review with that kind of language.I 'll keep that in mind for when I write a review of OO for Wired or the New York Times .
In the mean time , since this is Slashdot , I 'll keep posting exactly like I have for the last 12 + years .
Thanks !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't be a very competent review with that kind of language.I'll keep that in mind for when I write a review of OO for Wired or the New York Times.
In the mean time, since this is Slashdot, I'll keep posting exactly like I have for the last 12+ years.
Thanks!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30595926</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259863800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Regardless, I'd say the problem is behind the keyboard in this case.</p></div><p>The monitor?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Regardless , I 'd say the problem is behind the keyboard in this case.The monitor ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Regardless, I'd say the problem is behind the keyboard in this case.The monitor?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594180</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259858460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your doing something wrong I use this all the time.</p><p>I just tried it</p><p>In the save dialog Choose Open With - It doesn't show OPenOffice as the app just the Browse button.</p><p>Don't click Browse just click OK.</p><p>FIle opens up in OpenOffice Calc.</p><p>I assume FF uses the Windows file associations as a fall back , hell it evens shows the OO.o icon for the file in the download box.</p><p>Using<br>Windows XP<br>Firefox 3.5.6<br>OpenOffice.org 3.1.1</p><p>Get with program!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your doing something wrong I use this all the time.I just tried itIn the save dialog Choose Open With - It does n't show OPenOffice as the app just the Browse button.Do n't click Browse just click OK.FIle opens up in OpenOffice Calc.I assume FF uses the Windows file associations as a fall back , hell it evens shows the OO.o icon for the file in the download box.UsingWindows XPFirefox 3.5.6OpenOffice.org 3.1.1Get with program ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your doing something wrong I use this all the time.I just tried itIn the save dialog Choose Open With - It doesn't show OPenOffice as the app just the Browse button.Don't click Browse just click OK.FIle opens up in OpenOffice Calc.I assume FF uses the Windows file associations as a fall back , hell it evens shows the OO.o icon for the file in the download box.UsingWindows XPFirefox 3.5.6OpenOffice.org 3.1.1Get with program!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594838</id>
	<title>Re:Excel doesn't even do CSV correctly...</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1259860500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There isn't a csv standard, so most people go with 'what excel does', and unfortunately, it behaves as you describe.</p><p>In Excel 2000, if you change the file extension to 'txt' and then open it, you have an opportunity to set the column types. In OO.o 3.1.1, opening the csv file gives the same behavior (well, on the installation on this computer).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is n't a csv standard , so most people go with 'what excel does ' , and unfortunately , it behaves as you describe.In Excel 2000 , if you change the file extension to 'txt ' and then open it , you have an opportunity to set the column types .
In OO.o 3.1.1 , opening the csv file gives the same behavior ( well , on the installation on this computer ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There isn't a csv standard, so most people go with 'what excel does', and unfortunately, it behaves as you describe.In Excel 2000, if you change the file extension to 'txt' and then open it, you have an opportunity to set the column types.
In OO.o 3.1.1, opening the csv file gives the same behavior (well, on the installation on this computer).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593318</id>
	<title>Jesus Christ, do you people listen to yourselves?</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1259855460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That summary was the most biased, paranoid rambling that I've ever seen. You might as well followed it up with a paragraph about how Microsoft uses those little plastic strips in $20 bills to track you when you go through airport scanners, so they know whether to equip your plane with chemtrail equipment before redirecting it to land in the secret tunnel between Washington D.C. and Area 51.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That summary was the most biased , paranoid rambling that I 've ever seen .
You might as well followed it up with a paragraph about how Microsoft uses those little plastic strips in $ 20 bills to track you when you go through airport scanners , so they know whether to equip your plane with chemtrail equipment before redirecting it to land in the secret tunnel between Washington D.C. and Area 51 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That summary was the most biased, paranoid rambling that I've ever seen.
You might as well followed it up with a paragraph about how Microsoft uses those little plastic strips in $20 bills to track you when you go through airport scanners, so they know whether to equip your plane with chemtrail equipment before redirecting it to land in the secret tunnel between Washington D.C. and Area 51.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592672</id>
	<title>Summary: What if!?</title>
	<author>happy\_place</author>
	<datestamp>1259852040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What if after all is said and done, (brace yourself) it was revealed that (steady, don't let this shock you)Microsoft was a company in it for the money!? (Gasp!)</htmltext>
<tokenext>What if after all is said and done , ( brace yourself ) it was revealed that ( steady , do n't let this shock you ) Microsoft was a company in it for the money ! ?
( Gasp ! )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if after all is said and done, (brace yourself) it was revealed that (steady, don't let this shock you)Microsoft was a company in it for the money!?
(Gasp!)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593044</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>thethibs</author>
	<datestamp>1259854140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's what right-click is for. Oh. Sorry.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what right-click is for .
Oh. Sorry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what right-click is for.
Oh. Sorry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30596916</id>
	<title>What's To Know?</title>
	<author>Ponter Boddit</author>
	<datestamp>1259867160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"... a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up, and armed with inside knowledge..."

Um, how much more do they need to know than to simply look at the source code, which is available to anyone in the world for free?

On the other hand, they probably don't care what's in the source code. They want to figure out devious ways to blackmail any and all institutions into using Microsoft products. Oh, then, <i>that</i> kind of "inside knowledge."</htmltext>
<tokenext>" ... a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up , and armed with inside knowledge... " Um , how much more do they need to know than to simply look at the source code , which is available to anyone in the world for free ?
On the other hand , they probably do n't care what 's in the source code .
They want to figure out devious ways to blackmail any and all institutions into using Microsoft products .
Oh , then , that kind of " inside knowledge .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"... a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up, and armed with inside knowledge..."

Um, how much more do they need to know than to simply look at the source code, which is available to anyone in the world for free?
On the other hand, they probably don't care what's in the source code.
They want to figure out devious ways to blackmail any and all institutions into using Microsoft products.
Oh, then, that kind of "inside knowledge.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30598850</id>
	<title>Re:Excel doesn't even do CSV correctly...</title>
	<author>dotancohen</author>
	<datestamp>1259831580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Now, the last field there is an ID number. The zeroes are significant. All of the above spreadsheets will import that as a number and drop the leading zeroes.</p></div><p>You should comment on this bug, which requests just that:<br><a href="http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show\_bug.cgi?id=108014" title="openoffice.org">http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show\_bug.cgi?id=108014</a> [openoffice.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now , the last field there is an ID number .
The zeroes are significant .
All of the above spreadsheets will import that as a number and drop the leading zeroes.You should comment on this bug , which requests just that : http : //www.openoffice.org/issues/show \ _bug.cgi ? id = 108014 [ openoffice.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now, the last field there is an ID number.
The zeroes are significant.
All of the above spreadsheets will import that as a number and drop the leading zeroes.You should comment on this bug, which requests just that:http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show\_bug.cgi?id=108014 [openoffice.org]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592940</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259853600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's slow because it's based on Java (and I'm saying this as a 10 year + Java programmer).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's slow because it 's based on Java ( and I 'm saying this as a 10 year + Java programmer ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's slow because it's based on Java (and I'm saying this as a 10 year + Java programmer).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30596154</id>
	<title>Re:I use it because...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259864460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My 5 year old niece uses  W2007, how hard can it be? Personally I hate all them GUIs, never got the point, only editor I need is nano or a good old typewriter.</p></div><p>You young whippersnappers and your typewriters. In my day we used a hammer, chisel, and a stone block. And we were just as productive.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My 5 year old niece uses W2007 , how hard can it be ?
Personally I hate all them GUIs , never got the point , only editor I need is nano or a good old typewriter.You young whippersnappers and your typewriters .
In my day we used a hammer , chisel , and a stone block .
And we were just as productive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My 5 year old niece uses  W2007, how hard can it be?
Personally I hate all them GUIs, never got the point, only editor I need is nano or a good old typewriter.You young whippersnappers and your typewriters.
In my day we used a hammer, chisel, and a stone block.
And we were just as productive.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593078</id>
	<title>Ballmer == Nixon</title>
	<author>GrahamCox</author>
	<datestamp>1259854260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ballmer is the software industry's Richard Nixon - paranoid, incompetent and untrustworthy. The difference is, he can't be unelected.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ballmer is the software industry 's Richard Nixon - paranoid , incompetent and untrustworthy .
The difference is , he ca n't be unelected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ballmer is the software industry's Richard Nixon - paranoid, incompetent and untrustworthy.
The difference is, he can't be unelected.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594132</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259858340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just ignore him, he is just a mormon flamebait.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just ignore him , he is just a mormon flamebait .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just ignore him, he is just a mormon flamebait.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592510</id>
	<title>Flip Flop</title>
	<author>rtb61</author>
	<datestamp>1259850780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> The problem is they continually flip flop, one week they are seeking open source interaction and the next week they are attacking it and it's supporters. It all seems to be driven by nothing more than the current marketing image they wish to present. Although it does seem that M$ leans more to open source when they get screwed over by some patent dispute. </p><p> Really for them to put a foot forward they actually need to release their own branded version of a recognised open source software package and adhere to the requirements of the licence, even should their version substantially vary and they choose to host and make it available. </p><p> So what will it be, VLC, Firefox or maybe something Ruby. I think OpenOffice,org or a Linux distribution is way, way to far a stretch for them, they just lack that kind of mental flexibility and out of the box thinking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is they continually flip flop , one week they are seeking open source interaction and the next week they are attacking it and it 's supporters .
It all seems to be driven by nothing more than the current marketing image they wish to present .
Although it does seem that M $ leans more to open source when they get screwed over by some patent dispute .
Really for them to put a foot forward they actually need to release their own branded version of a recognised open source software package and adhere to the requirements of the licence , even should their version substantially vary and they choose to host and make it available .
So what will it be , VLC , Firefox or maybe something Ruby .
I think OpenOffice,org or a Linux distribution is way , way to far a stretch for them , they just lack that kind of mental flexibility and out of the box thinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The problem is they continually flip flop, one week they are seeking open source interaction and the next week they are attacking it and it's supporters.
It all seems to be driven by nothing more than the current marketing image they wish to present.
Although it does seem that M$ leans more to open source when they get screwed over by some patent dispute.
Really for them to put a foot forward they actually need to release their own branded version of a recognised open source software package and adhere to the requirements of the licence, even should their version substantially vary and they choose to host and make it available.
So what will it be, VLC, Firefox or maybe something Ruby.
I think OpenOffice,org or a Linux distribution is way, way to far a stretch for them, they just lack that kind of mental flexibility and out of the box thinking.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593420</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259855820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Give it more memory to start faster.</p><p>http://www.openoffice.blogs.com/openoffice/memory/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Give it more memory to start faster.http : //www.openoffice.blogs.com/openoffice/memory/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Give it more memory to start faster.http://www.openoffice.blogs.com/openoffice/memory/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30596314</id>
	<title>Re:Protect the Cash Cows</title>
	<author>cptnapalm</author>
	<datestamp>1259864940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This reminds me of a story I think I saw here years ago.</p><p>Guy is told that they will be moving over to MS Exchange (this would have been in '97 or so).  So he does his job and sets up Exchange.  World goes to hell.  E-Mail doesn't work several times a day, server crashes routinely, etc.  His boss and users are on his ass constantly.  It all becomes too much for the guy, who was told to do this over his own objections.</p><p>Monday morning, e-mail is working fine.  It is all smooth sailing.  Boss and users are happy.  Management is content with their savvy in buying Exchange.  A year or something later, the guy quits but not before leaving up to date documentation for the new guy.</p><p>First page of the documentation welcomes the replacement and says not to worry, everything he needs to know is in this folder.  There are two sections: 1) What is official policy 2) What we actually do.  The official policy is that we run Exchange for e-mail and here is the stuff to tell the boss about Exchange if there are ever problems.  The actual policy is that we run Debian and postfix, since Exchange was a disaster, and here is how to do maintenance; tell no one except whoever replaces you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This reminds me of a story I think I saw here years ago.Guy is told that they will be moving over to MS Exchange ( this would have been in '97 or so ) .
So he does his job and sets up Exchange .
World goes to hell .
E-Mail does n't work several times a day , server crashes routinely , etc .
His boss and users are on his ass constantly .
It all becomes too much for the guy , who was told to do this over his own objections.Monday morning , e-mail is working fine .
It is all smooth sailing .
Boss and users are happy .
Management is content with their savvy in buying Exchange .
A year or something later , the guy quits but not before leaving up to date documentation for the new guy.First page of the documentation welcomes the replacement and says not to worry , everything he needs to know is in this folder .
There are two sections : 1 ) What is official policy 2 ) What we actually do .
The official policy is that we run Exchange for e-mail and here is the stuff to tell the boss about Exchange if there are ever problems .
The actual policy is that we run Debian and postfix , since Exchange was a disaster , and here is how to do maintenance ; tell no one except whoever replaces you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This reminds me of a story I think I saw here years ago.Guy is told that they will be moving over to MS Exchange (this would have been in '97 or so).
So he does his job and sets up Exchange.
World goes to hell.
E-Mail doesn't work several times a day, server crashes routinely, etc.
His boss and users are on his ass constantly.
It all becomes too much for the guy, who was told to do this over his own objections.Monday morning, e-mail is working fine.
It is all smooth sailing.
Boss and users are happy.
Management is content with their savvy in buying Exchange.
A year or something later, the guy quits but not before leaving up to date documentation for the new guy.First page of the documentation welcomes the replacement and says not to worry, everything he needs to know is in this folder.
There are two sections: 1) What is official policy 2) What we actually do.
The official policy is that we run Exchange for e-mail and here is the stuff to tell the boss about Exchange if there are ever problems.
The actual policy is that we run Debian and postfix, since Exchange was a disaster, and here is how to do maintenance; tell no one except whoever replaces you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593132</id>
	<title>how do you</title>
	<author>kel-tor</author>
	<datestamp>1259854560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>open a PDF with MS office and edit it, I can't seem to get them to open like they do in openoffice.</p><p>openoffice is a bit sluggish to open but definitely has more functionality than MS office these days -- for instance, no retraining workers to use the ribbon interface on a new machine since openoffice works like they expect it to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>open a PDF with MS office and edit it , I ca n't seem to get them to open like they do in openoffice.openoffice is a bit sluggish to open but definitely has more functionality than MS office these days -- for instance , no retraining workers to use the ribbon interface on a new machine since openoffice works like they expect it to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>open a PDF with MS office and edit it, I can't seem to get them to open like they do in openoffice.openoffice is a bit sluggish to open but definitely has more functionality than MS office these days -- for instance, no retraining workers to use the ribbon interface on a new machine since openoffice works like they expect it to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592638</id>
	<title>Oblig. Gandhi quote</title>
	<author>Gothmolly</author>
	<datestamp>1259851860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First they ignore you,<br>Then they laugh at you,<br>Then they fight you,<br>Then you win.</p><p>We've moved to stage 3 pretty quickly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First they ignore you,Then they laugh at you,Then they fight you,Then you win.We 've moved to stage 3 pretty quickly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First they ignore you,Then they laugh at you,Then they fight you,Then you win.We've moved to stage 3 pretty quickly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592534</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>suso</author>
	<datestamp>1259850960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Firefox doesn't already know that CSV should be tied to OO? Shouldn't that have occurred at install time by OO? No, ok, I'll set it up--done.</p></div><p>In OO's defense, It seems that most of the time, CSV is not associated with any app, which is probably a good thing because CSV doesn't always imply "spreadsheet".  True, some people want their computer to make all their decisions about which app to use for what. But those people usually also end up with a boatload of adbars in their browser and spyware and viruses on their harddrives.  And they wonder why their computer doesn't work.</p><p>"Won't that be grand, the computers will start thinking and the people will stop." - Walter, from Tron (1982)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Firefox does n't already know that CSV should be tied to OO ?
Should n't that have occurred at install time by OO ?
No , ok , I 'll set it up--done.In OO 's defense , It seems that most of the time , CSV is not associated with any app , which is probably a good thing because CSV does n't always imply " spreadsheet " .
True , some people want their computer to make all their decisions about which app to use for what .
But those people usually also end up with a boatload of adbars in their browser and spyware and viruses on their harddrives .
And they wonder why their computer does n't work .
" Wo n't that be grand , the computers will start thinking and the people will stop .
" - Walter , from Tron ( 1982 )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Firefox doesn't already know that CSV should be tied to OO?
Shouldn't that have occurred at install time by OO?
No, ok, I'll set it up--done.In OO's defense, It seems that most of the time, CSV is not associated with any app, which is probably a good thing because CSV doesn't always imply "spreadsheet".
True, some people want their computer to make all their decisions about which app to use for what.
But those people usually also end up with a boatload of adbars in their browser and spyware and viruses on their harddrives.
And they wonder why their computer doesn't work.
"Won't that be grand, the computers will start thinking and the people will stop.
" - Walter, from Tron (1982)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30596496</id>
	<title>My issue: formatting</title>
	<author>sean.peters</author>
	<datestamp>1259865540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd be a bigger fan of OO.o, except that MS formats are contractually mandatory with my customer, and any formatting beyond the most simple stuff absolutely always gets mangled by conversion between OO and MS office. So, in practice, I'm never really going to be able to use OO.o for anything I have to share with anyone else until this gets fixed.</p><p>Of course, the situation is only a little better between differing releases of MS Office products, so it's not really a very fair criticism... but regardless, my contract has words to the effect that document formats will be MS Office 2003. So there you have it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd be a bigger fan of OO.o , except that MS formats are contractually mandatory with my customer , and any formatting beyond the most simple stuff absolutely always gets mangled by conversion between OO and MS office .
So , in practice , I 'm never really going to be able to use OO.o for anything I have to share with anyone else until this gets fixed.Of course , the situation is only a little better between differing releases of MS Office products , so it 's not really a very fair criticism... but regardless , my contract has words to the effect that document formats will be MS Office 2003 .
So there you have it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd be a bigger fan of OO.o, except that MS formats are contractually mandatory with my customer, and any formatting beyond the most simple stuff absolutely always gets mangled by conversion between OO and MS office.
So, in practice, I'm never really going to be able to use OO.o for anything I have to share with anyone else until this gets fixed.Of course, the situation is only a little better between differing releases of MS Office products, so it's not really a very fair criticism... but regardless, my contract has words to the effect that document formats will be MS Office 2003.
So there you have it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30603434</id>
	<title>microintelpro</title>
	<author>sixsixtysix</author>
	<datestamp>1259869440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...inside..."
 duh, microintelpro?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from ...inside... " duh , microintelpro ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from ...inside..."
 duh, microintelpro?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592988</id>
	<title>Excel doesn't even do CSV correctly...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259853840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OO does a better job, but, still not correct. GNUMeric does no better. They all fundamentally do the wrong thing. Here is what they do wrong. Lets say I have the following CSV:

<tt>
Smith,Joe,E,121 Mockingbird Lane,Metropolis,BS,(330)555-1212,0023456789
</tt></p><p><tt><tt>Now, the last field there is an ID number. The zeroes are significant. All of the above spreadsheets will import that as a number and drop the leading zeroes. FAIL!</tt></tt></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OO does a better job , but , still not correct .
GNUMeric does no better .
They all fundamentally do the wrong thing .
Here is what they do wrong .
Lets say I have the following CSV : Smith,Joe,E,121 Mockingbird Lane,Metropolis,BS , ( 330 ) 555-1212,0023456789 Now , the last field there is an ID number .
The zeroes are significant .
All of the above spreadsheets will import that as a number and drop the leading zeroes .
FAIL !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OO does a better job, but, still not correct.
GNUMeric does no better.
They all fundamentally do the wrong thing.
Here is what they do wrong.
Lets say I have the following CSV:


Smith,Joe,E,121 Mockingbird Lane,Metropolis,BS,(330)555-1212,0023456789
Now, the last field there is an ID number.
The zeroes are significant.
All of the above spreadsheets will import that as a number and drop the leading zeroes.
FAIL!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593536</id>
	<title>Competition</title>
	<author>psbrogna</author>
	<datestamp>1259856240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As one firmly in the Camp *Nix, I do prefer free SW as in $0 because well, I like getting free stuff and especially good free stuff. I have not, do not &amp; will not begrudge organizations that choose to make a profit creating software. I would like to add a few comments though: Commercial organizations often have an agenda which conflicts with best interest of their customers. These same entities often muddy the waters a bit when it comes to the use of the word "create," often using it in lieu of "beg", "borrow", or "steal." They also have a tasty habit of bringing politics to the table as means to give themselves an unfair advantage over their FOSS counterparts. This is not healthy competition. FOSS organizations are almost always nearly transparent. You see the code, you see the dialog. Anybody that wants to can look at the code, can look at the comments, can read the threads between users and contributors. It's pretty tough to have any sort of hidden agenda in this type of environment. Nothing wrong with somebody trying to build a business (&amp; profit) around the creation of value as long as they're actually creating value,  don't stifle healthy competition and have the best interest of their customers in mind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As one firmly in the Camp * Nix , I do prefer free SW as in $ 0 because well , I like getting free stuff and especially good free stuff .
I have not , do not &amp; will not begrudge organizations that choose to make a profit creating software .
I would like to add a few comments though : Commercial organizations often have an agenda which conflicts with best interest of their customers .
These same entities often muddy the waters a bit when it comes to the use of the word " create , " often using it in lieu of " beg " , " borrow " , or " steal .
" They also have a tasty habit of bringing politics to the table as means to give themselves an unfair advantage over their FOSS counterparts .
This is not healthy competition .
FOSS organizations are almost always nearly transparent .
You see the code , you see the dialog .
Anybody that wants to can look at the code , can look at the comments , can read the threads between users and contributors .
It 's pretty tough to have any sort of hidden agenda in this type of environment .
Nothing wrong with somebody trying to build a business ( &amp; profit ) around the creation of value as long as they 're actually creating value , do n't stifle healthy competition and have the best interest of their customers in mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As one firmly in the Camp *Nix, I do prefer free SW as in $0 because well, I like getting free stuff and especially good free stuff.
I have not, do not &amp; will not begrudge organizations that choose to make a profit creating software.
I would like to add a few comments though: Commercial organizations often have an agenda which conflicts with best interest of their customers.
These same entities often muddy the waters a bit when it comes to the use of the word "create," often using it in lieu of "beg", "borrow", or "steal.
" They also have a tasty habit of bringing politics to the table as means to give themselves an unfair advantage over their FOSS counterparts.
This is not healthy competition.
FOSS organizations are almost always nearly transparent.
You see the code, you see the dialog.
Anybody that wants to can look at the code, can look at the comments, can read the threads between users and contributors.
It's pretty tough to have any sort of hidden agenda in this type of environment.
Nothing wrong with somebody trying to build a business (&amp; profit) around the creation of value as long as they're actually creating value,  don't stifle healthy competition and have the best interest of their customers in mind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30596506</id>
	<title>Re:Flip Flop</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1259865540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The problem is they continually flip flop, one week they are seeking open source interaction and the next week they are attacking it and it's supporters.</i></p><p>The only evidence that this position has anything to do with "attacking" OpenOffice is right here in the Slashdot summary. The job posting itself certainly doesn't suggest it.</p><p>Imagine Microsoft wanted to improve interoperability of ODF, they'd still need to fill positions like the posted one, right? Or imagine Microsoft actually wants to contribute to OO.org development, again, they'd need listings like this one for that. Why do you (and the summary writer) instantly assume Microsoft is hiring a person to sabotage or destroy the project?</p><p>There's no flip-flop, you're just giving *waaay* too much trust to Slashdot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is they continually flip flop , one week they are seeking open source interaction and the next week they are attacking it and it 's supporters.The only evidence that this position has anything to do with " attacking " OpenOffice is right here in the Slashdot summary .
The job posting itself certainly does n't suggest it.Imagine Microsoft wanted to improve interoperability of ODF , they 'd still need to fill positions like the posted one , right ?
Or imagine Microsoft actually wants to contribute to OO.org development , again , they 'd need listings like this one for that .
Why do you ( and the summary writer ) instantly assume Microsoft is hiring a person to sabotage or destroy the project ? There 's no flip-flop , you 're just giving * waaay * too much trust to Slashdot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is they continually flip flop, one week they are seeking open source interaction and the next week they are attacking it and it's supporters.The only evidence that this position has anything to do with "attacking" OpenOffice is right here in the Slashdot summary.
The job posting itself certainly doesn't suggest it.Imagine Microsoft wanted to improve interoperability of ODF, they'd still need to fill positions like the posted one, right?
Or imagine Microsoft actually wants to contribute to OO.org development, again, they'd need listings like this one for that.
Why do you (and the summary writer) instantly assume Microsoft is hiring a person to sabotage or destroy the project?There's no flip-flop, you're just giving *waaay* too much trust to Slashdot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30597882</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Maxo-Texas</author>
	<datestamp>1259870880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like Openoffice and I disagree.  If it takes a long time, it took a long time.</p><p>If his experience is that opening Excel takes 3 seconds and Calc takes 71 seconds, then that is an issue that OOo needs to work on (so if I had that experience... which I havn't... I'd report it as a bug or go to the Open Office forums and say, "here's a document that takes a long time to open, what can I do?"</p><p>There are things you can do to speed up Openoffice like turning off java and using the preload option.  Personally, I prefer to avoid the preload option myself but I *think* I still have java turned off.</p><p>Load times are not an issue for me with OOo or Word 2007.  Infopath is another issue entirely.  Man that thing is a dog.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like Openoffice and I disagree .
If it takes a long time , it took a long time.If his experience is that opening Excel takes 3 seconds and Calc takes 71 seconds , then that is an issue that OOo needs to work on ( so if I had that experience... which I hav n't... I 'd report it as a bug or go to the Open Office forums and say , " here 's a document that takes a long time to open , what can I do ?
" There are things you can do to speed up Openoffice like turning off java and using the preload option .
Personally , I prefer to avoid the preload option myself but I * think * I still have java turned off.Load times are not an issue for me with OOo or Word 2007 .
Infopath is another issue entirely .
Man that thing is a dog .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like Openoffice and I disagree.
If it takes a long time, it took a long time.If his experience is that opening Excel takes 3 seconds and Calc takes 71 seconds, then that is an issue that OOo needs to work on (so if I had that experience... which I havn't... I'd report it as a bug or go to the Open Office forums and say, "here's a document that takes a long time to open, what can I do?
"There are things you can do to speed up Openoffice like turning off java and using the preload option.
Personally, I prefer to avoid the preload option myself but I *think* I still have java turned off.Load times are not an issue for me with OOo or Word 2007.
Infopath is another issue entirely.
Man that thing is a dog.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592558</id>
	<title>Re:I use it because...</title>
	<author>DrXym</author>
	<datestamp>1259851320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>...its GUI is more like Microsoft Office pre-2007 than Microsoft Office 2007 is, and I have never gotten used to the 2007 interface.</i>
<p>
Ooo has an incredibly ugly UI and some glaring usability issues. I think it would win many more converts if it focused on usability for its next release even if it never added a single new feature. Drag the UI kicking and screaming into the 21st century and smooth some of the rough edges in the process. From my own experience, I tolerate the UI simply because the suite is free and has some excellent functionality like Print to PDF built-in, but I reckon tasks like creating tables, document outline mode and diagrams take me a good 2-3x as long as they do than in MS Word.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...its GUI is more like Microsoft Office pre-2007 than Microsoft Office 2007 is , and I have never gotten used to the 2007 interface .
Ooo has an incredibly ugly UI and some glaring usability issues .
I think it would win many more converts if it focused on usability for its next release even if it never added a single new feature .
Drag the UI kicking and screaming into the 21st century and smooth some of the rough edges in the process .
From my own experience , I tolerate the UI simply because the suite is free and has some excellent functionality like Print to PDF built-in , but I reckon tasks like creating tables , document outline mode and diagrams take me a good 2-3x as long as they do than in MS Word .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...its GUI is more like Microsoft Office pre-2007 than Microsoft Office 2007 is, and I have never gotten used to the 2007 interface.
Ooo has an incredibly ugly UI and some glaring usability issues.
I think it would win many more converts if it focused on usability for its next release even if it never added a single new feature.
Drag the UI kicking and screaming into the 21st century and smooth some of the rough edges in the process.
From my own experience, I tolerate the UI simply because the suite is free and has some excellent functionality like Print to PDF built-in, but I reckon tasks like creating tables, document outline mode and diagrams take me a good 2-3x as long as they do than in MS Word.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30605546</id>
	<title>Re:Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.</title>
	<author>mdm-adph</author>
	<datestamp>1262277000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I tried used quotes there because I really can't define why one type of software is more attractive to users than another type of software -- I can't be sure of the definition, because I don't really know what the definition is.  Correct?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried used quotes there because I really ca n't define why one type of software is more attractive to users than another type of software -- I ca n't be sure of the definition , because I do n't really know what the definition is .
Correct ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried used quotes there because I really can't define why one type of software is more attractive to users than another type of software -- I can't be sure of the definition, because I don't really know what the definition is.
Correct?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30597666</id>
	<title>Re:Jesus Christ, do you people listen to yourselve</title>
	<author>jzhos</author>
	<datestamp>1259870100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, they can do that. Checking out my $20 bills...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , they can do that .
Checking out my $ 20 bills.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, they can do that.
Checking out my $20 bills...</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30597032</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>trdrstv</author>
	<datestamp>1259867580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"Takes a long fucking time to open OO. I mean a LONG time."</p></div><p>It does. It uses more RAM to manage any specific MS Office document (on the same machine, and a lot of time it's more by a factor of 10).

This is what I call a 'by design tradeoff'. Excel can open Spreadsheet.xls a little quicker and only use 10-20 megs of RAM as opposed to Open Office using over 100 megs of RAM to do the exact same job.

To me this is ok, because even though MS Office has stayed relatively static in price, RAM has dropped significantly and has more utility to my box that just 'opening spreadsheets.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Takes a long fucking time to open OO .
I mean a LONG time .
" It does .
It uses more RAM to manage any specific MS Office document ( on the same machine , and a lot of time it 's more by a factor of 10 ) .
This is what I call a 'by design tradeoff' .
Excel can open Spreadsheet.xls a little quicker and only use 10-20 megs of RAM as opposed to Open Office using over 100 megs of RAM to do the exact same job .
To me this is ok , because even though MS Office has stayed relatively static in price , RAM has dropped significantly and has more utility to my box that just 'opening spreadsheets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Takes a long fucking time to open OO.
I mean a LONG time.
"It does.
It uses more RAM to manage any specific MS Office document (on the same machine, and a lot of time it's more by a factor of 10).
This is what I call a 'by design tradeoff'.
Excel can open Spreadsheet.xls a little quicker and only use 10-20 megs of RAM as opposed to Open Office using over 100 megs of RAM to do the exact same job.
To me this is ok, because even though MS Office has stayed relatively static in price, RAM has dropped significantly and has more utility to my box that just 'opening spreadsheets.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30595724</id>
	<title>Google Is Not The Answer</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1259863140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>You didn't find a menu item and you moved on probably without even consulting documentation or Googling</i> </p><p>Telling the user to Google for a solution is an open admission of failure.</p><p>The answer should always be <b>easily</b> accessible from within the program itself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You did n't find a menu item and you moved on probably without even consulting documentation or Googling Telling the user to Google for a solution is an open admission of failure.The answer should always be easily accessible from within the program itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You didn't find a menu item and you moved on probably without even consulting documentation or Googling Telling the user to Google for a solution is an open admission of failure.The answer should always be easily accessible from within the program itself.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592608</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592568</id>
	<title>I think MS has lost the battle already...</title>
	<author>jkrise</author>
	<datestamp>1259851380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been in IT for over 20 years now; and until 7 years ago, Office was my mostly used application. Nowadays though I hardly ever use Word or Excel, I've used Powerpoint more often though. At a hospital I consult; we changed to OOo and after changing the default save format option to the corresponding Office equivalents; the users hardly noticed the difference.</p><p>These days the only application used in offices is the browser, and Firefox has already won the battle and the war on that front.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been in IT for over 20 years now ; and until 7 years ago , Office was my mostly used application .
Nowadays though I hardly ever use Word or Excel , I 've used Powerpoint more often though .
At a hospital I consult ; we changed to OOo and after changing the default save format option to the corresponding Office equivalents ; the users hardly noticed the difference.These days the only application used in offices is the browser , and Firefox has already won the battle and the war on that front .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been in IT for over 20 years now; and until 7 years ago, Office was my mostly used application.
Nowadays though I hardly ever use Word or Excel, I've used Powerpoint more often though.
At a hospital I consult; we changed to OOo and after changing the default save format option to the corresponding Office equivalents; the users hardly noticed the difference.These days the only application used in offices is the browser, and Firefox has already won the battle and the war on that front.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30603120</id>
	<title>Am I the only one who can't tell the difference?</title>
	<author>oraclecrank</author>
	<datestamp>1259865120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I own a small business, a bookstore, and I recently switched to OpenOffice.org from MS Office for Mac. For the stuff I do, accounting in a spreadsheet and writing letters, creating forms, printing address labels and things in a word processor, I can't discern any functional difference. There may be more options or pretty things in MS Office, but are they worth a couple of hundred dollars from people like me who don't need them? I also prefer OO.o to iWork for a lot of the same reasons.

My business is really really small though (I just hired my first employee) so maybe I'll see the advantages of proprietary software when (or if) it gets any bigger.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I own a small business , a bookstore , and I recently switched to OpenOffice.org from MS Office for Mac .
For the stuff I do , accounting in a spreadsheet and writing letters , creating forms , printing address labels and things in a word processor , I ca n't discern any functional difference .
There may be more options or pretty things in MS Office , but are they worth a couple of hundred dollars from people like me who do n't need them ?
I also prefer OO.o to iWork for a lot of the same reasons .
My business is really really small though ( I just hired my first employee ) so maybe I 'll see the advantages of proprietary software when ( or if ) it gets any bigger .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I own a small business, a bookstore, and I recently switched to OpenOffice.org from MS Office for Mac.
For the stuff I do, accounting in a spreadsheet and writing letters, creating forms, printing address labels and things in a word processor, I can't discern any functional difference.
There may be more options or pretty things in MS Office, but are they worth a couple of hundred dollars from people like me who don't need them?
I also prefer OO.o to iWork for a lot of the same reasons.
My business is really really small though (I just hired my first employee) so maybe I'll see the advantages of proprietary software when (or if) it gets any bigger.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592914</id>
	<title>pacific? oh, really....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259853540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>is this Slashdot? noone condemned the article because he said pacific instead of specific?</htmltext>
<tokenext>is this Slashdot ?
noone condemned the article because he said pacific instead of specific ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is this Slashdot?
noone condemned the article because he said pacific instead of specific?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594252</id>
	<title>However,</title>
	<author>WindBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1259858700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>MS does not consider a threat, so they focus on the leaders and those that will go places. Hence, the reason for Linux AND OO, not Linux and abiword.</htmltext>
<tokenext>MS does not consider a threat , so they focus on the leaders and those that will go places .
Hence , the reason for Linux AND OO , not Linux and abiword .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS does not consider a threat, so they focus on the leaders and those that will go places.
Hence, the reason for Linux AND OO, not Linux and abiword.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592436</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30599524</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259834640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OO sucks but it's free. Don't pretend it's better, cause it's not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OO sucks but it 's free .
Do n't pretend it 's better , cause it 's not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OO sucks but it's free.
Don't pretend it's better, cause it's not.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592602</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30601906</id>
	<title>OO is huge with students...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259851140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>because its free and does all of what they need.</p><p>When all these students start buying laptops later in life will they buy Office... no way.  Some of these students will then be in charge of IT departments eventually....</p><p>get it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>because its free and does all of what they need.When all these students start buying laptops later in life will they buy Office... no way .
Some of these students will then be in charge of IT departments eventually....get it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>because its free and does all of what they need.When all these students start buying laptops later in life will they buy Office... no way.
Some of these students will then be in charge of IT departments eventually....get it?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593370</id>
	<title>Re:I use it because...</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1259855640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously. You could learn and master the Office 2007 interface in less time than it takes to find, download, and install OpenOffice. That's the lamest excuse ever.</p><p>I'd have gone for "I didn't want to pay for an upgrade." That I can get behind. But, "I'm too much of a wuss to learn a slightly different, and vastly superior, UI?" No.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously .
You could learn and master the Office 2007 interface in less time than it takes to find , download , and install OpenOffice .
That 's the lamest excuse ever.I 'd have gone for " I did n't want to pay for an upgrade .
" That I can get behind .
But , " I 'm too much of a wuss to learn a slightly different , and vastly superior , UI ?
" No .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously.
You could learn and master the Office 2007 interface in less time than it takes to find, download, and install OpenOffice.
That's the lamest excuse ever.I'd have gone for "I didn't want to pay for an upgrade.
" That I can get behind.
But, "I'm too much of a wuss to learn a slightly different, and vastly superior, UI?
" No.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592542</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593398</id>
	<title>Re:Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259855760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>and it "looks" far better than OpenOffice</p></div><p>Why the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare\_quotes" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">scare quotes</a> [wikipedia.org]?  Is there some other meaning for "looks" which I don't know about?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>and it " looks " far better than OpenOfficeWhy the scare quotes [ wikipedia.org ] ?
Is there some other meaning for " looks " which I do n't know about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and it "looks" far better than OpenOfficeWhy the scare quotes [wikipedia.org]?
Is there some other meaning for "looks" which I don't know about?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592746</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594560</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1259859600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You would be wrong.</p><p>If after playing with it for only 5 minutes, he found things that didn't work as he expected, then the GUI is most definitely broken.  Any GUI designer worth his/her salt knows that the GUI is supposed to do EXACTLY WHAT YOU EXPECT, without needing Google or help files.</p><p>People know how to use these utilities in their traditional form in their office, making a GUI that lets them use the software out of the box without help or searching isn't hard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You would be wrong.If after playing with it for only 5 minutes , he found things that did n't work as he expected , then the GUI is most definitely broken .
Any GUI designer worth his/her salt knows that the GUI is supposed to do EXACTLY WHAT YOU EXPECT , without needing Google or help files.People know how to use these utilities in their traditional form in their office , making a GUI that lets them use the software out of the box without help or searching is n't hard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You would be wrong.If after playing with it for only 5 minutes, he found things that didn't work as he expected, then the GUI is most definitely broken.
Any GUI designer worth his/her salt knows that the GUI is supposed to do EXACTLY WHAT YOU EXPECT, without needing Google or help files.People know how to use these utilities in their traditional form in their office, making a GUI that lets them use the software out of the box without help or searching isn't hard.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592608</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30596458</id>
	<title>I think OpenOffice is good software</title>
	<author>Jumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1259865420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 on CentOS 5. It does take a bit of time to launch the first time you run it in a session, like 10-15 seconds. But running it again it only takes 3-4 seconds to start. Sometimes less. The startup time doesn't bother me.  My dad can view weird PP slides everyone emails him in O.O. 3.1.1 on a similar CentOS 5 system I set up for him.</p><p>O.O. is way more word processor and spreadsheet than I will ever need. All my personal word processing / spreadsheet documents are stored in od* files. I add that version (3.1.1) to several RHEL 5 Linux labs at N.C.S.U. university and a LOT of students run it every day. Maybe it runs like crap on Windows which is why so many people are dissing it on this site? Or maybe people remember older versions? Or people "HAVE" to have it load instantly? I admit I don't use Office or Windows so I am biased in that respect. Still, I think Microsoft should be worried about the younger future customers. And the price was awesome. If Oracle wants to make money off of it I guess they should charge for support of some kind like Sun tried to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 on CentOS 5 .
It does take a bit of time to launch the first time you run it in a session , like 10-15 seconds .
But running it again it only takes 3-4 seconds to start .
Sometimes less .
The startup time does n't bother me .
My dad can view weird PP slides everyone emails him in O.O .
3.1.1 on a similar CentOS 5 system I set up for him.O.O .
is way more word processor and spreadsheet than I will ever need .
All my personal word processing / spreadsheet documents are stored in od * files .
I add that version ( 3.1.1 ) to several RHEL 5 Linux labs at N.C.S.U .
university and a LOT of students run it every day .
Maybe it runs like crap on Windows which is why so many people are dissing it on this site ?
Or maybe people remember older versions ?
Or people " HAVE " to have it load instantly ?
I admit I do n't use Office or Windows so I am biased in that respect .
Still , I think Microsoft should be worried about the younger future customers .
And the price was awesome .
If Oracle wants to make money off of it I guess they should charge for support of some kind like Sun tried to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 on CentOS 5.
It does take a bit of time to launch the first time you run it in a session, like 10-15 seconds.
But running it again it only takes 3-4 seconds to start.
Sometimes less.
The startup time doesn't bother me.
My dad can view weird PP slides everyone emails him in O.O.
3.1.1 on a similar CentOS 5 system I set up for him.O.O.
is way more word processor and spreadsheet than I will ever need.
All my personal word processing / spreadsheet documents are stored in od* files.
I add that version (3.1.1) to several RHEL 5 Linux labs at N.C.S.U.
university and a LOT of students run it every day.
Maybe it runs like crap on Windows which is why so many people are dissing it on this site?
Or maybe people remember older versions?
Or people "HAVE" to have it load instantly?
I admit I don't use Office or Windows so I am biased in that respect.
Still, I think Microsoft should be worried about the younger future customers.
And the price was awesome.
If Oracle wants to make money off of it I guess they should charge for support of some kind like Sun tried to do.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592518</id>
	<title>This is how it's done...</title>
	<author>MikeRT</author>
	<datestamp>1259850840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>which suggests that Microsoft's new-found eagerness to 'engage' with open source has nothing to do with a real desire to reach a pacific accommodation with free software, but is simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up, and armed with inside knowledge.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Would it be any different if WHOEVER\_MAKES\_WORDPERFECT\_RIGHT\_NOW did this too? Microsoft is <strong>not</strong> going to reach an "accommodation" with anyone trying to directly steal their business from them anymore than Apple is going to reach an accord with clone vendors, Japanese car companies are going to wink and nod at Chinese manufacturers trying to import cheap cars that use their designs into the US and Japan or any other scenario where an incumbent would "just welcome" competitors.
<br> <br>
Be glad that Microsoft wants to fight in the marketplace first and foremost. 10-15 years ago, if you suggested that Microsoft would fight more or less above board rather than letting slip the dogs of war and running a scorched Earth campaign, you'd have been called a fanboi.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>which suggests that Microsoft 's new-found eagerness to 'engage ' with open source has nothing to do with a real desire to reach a pacific accommodation with free software , but is simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up , and armed with inside knowledge .
Would it be any different if WHOEVER \ _MAKES \ _WORDPERFECT \ _RIGHT \ _NOW did this too ?
Microsoft is not going to reach an " accommodation " with anyone trying to directly steal their business from them anymore than Apple is going to reach an accord with clone vendors , Japanese car companies are going to wink and nod at Chinese manufacturers trying to import cheap cars that use their designs into the US and Japan or any other scenario where an incumbent would " just welcome " competitors .
Be glad that Microsoft wants to fight in the marketplace first and foremost .
10-15 years ago , if you suggested that Microsoft would fight more or less above board rather than letting slip the dogs of war and running a scorched Earth campaign , you 'd have been called a fanboi .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>which suggests that Microsoft's new-found eagerness to 'engage' with open source has nothing to do with a real desire to reach a pacific accommodation with free software, but is simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up, and armed with inside knowledge.
Would it be any different if WHOEVER\_MAKES\_WORDPERFECT\_RIGHT\_NOW did this too?
Microsoft is not going to reach an "accommodation" with anyone trying to directly steal their business from them anymore than Apple is going to reach an accord with clone vendors, Japanese car companies are going to wink and nod at Chinese manufacturers trying to import cheap cars that use their designs into the US and Japan or any other scenario where an incumbent would "just welcome" competitors.
Be glad that Microsoft wants to fight in the marketplace first and foremost.
10-15 years ago, if you suggested that Microsoft would fight more or less above board rather than letting slip the dogs of war and running a scorched Earth campaign, you'd have been called a fanboi.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592576</id>
	<title>They should be scared</title>
	<author>bignetbuy</author>
	<datestamp>1259851380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For years, Microsoft has raked in money with Office.  It's been <b>THE</b> leading revenue generator for ages with $4.4 billion in 3Q 2009.  Office and related business products bring in more money than their Server/OS division.  However, that number is trending down to the tune of almost 500 million from the same time last year.</p><p>Maybe it's just the recession.  Maybe it was the Vista impact.  However, the decline is noticeable.</p><p><i>Source:  MS Annual Reports and Earnings Releases</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For years , Microsoft has raked in money with Office .
It 's been THE leading revenue generator for ages with $ 4.4 billion in 3Q 2009 .
Office and related business products bring in more money than their Server/OS division .
However , that number is trending down to the tune of almost 500 million from the same time last year.Maybe it 's just the recession .
Maybe it was the Vista impact .
However , the decline is noticeable.Source : MS Annual Reports and Earnings Releases</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For years, Microsoft has raked in money with Office.
It's been THE leading revenue generator for ages with $4.4 billion in 3Q 2009.
Office and related business products bring in more money than their Server/OS division.
However, that number is trending down to the tune of almost 500 million from the same time last year.Maybe it's just the recession.
Maybe it was the Vista impact.
However, the decline is noticeable.Source:  MS Annual Reports and Earnings Releases</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594436</id>
	<title>The reason why it's a threat is...</title>
	<author>RoadNotTaken</author>
	<datestamp>1259859240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...because MS Office can't continue adding new features forever.  They'll try, but eventually their software will plateau and stabilize into an Office suite that has all of the features anybody would ever want.  And then it will take OO a few years to duplicate all of those features and <b>then</b> it'll be a real threat.  OO will always be a few years behind, until MS Office stops changing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...because MS Office ca n't continue adding new features forever .
They 'll try , but eventually their software will plateau and stabilize into an Office suite that has all of the features anybody would ever want .
And then it will take OO a few years to duplicate all of those features and then it 'll be a real threat .
OO will always be a few years behind , until MS Office stops changing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...because MS Office can't continue adding new features forever.
They'll try, but eventually their software will plateau and stabilize into an Office suite that has all of the features anybody would ever want.
And then it will take OO a few years to duplicate all of those features and then it'll be a real threat.
OO will always be a few years behind, until MS Office stops changing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594978</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>RMS Eats Toejam</author>
	<datestamp>1259860980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Liar.  You weren't set up to do anything except find something negative you could use to discredit a review you disagreed with based on it's outcome.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Liar .
You were n't set up to do anything except find something negative you could use to discredit a review you disagreed with based on it 's outcome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Liar.
You weren't set up to do anything except find something negative you could use to discredit a review you disagreed with based on it's outcome.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592526</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30604704</id>
	<title>Re:I use it because...</title>
	<author>Cyberwasteland</author>
	<datestamp>1262271600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I never understood what people thought was so ugly about the UI. What's so bad about it and what should be changed?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I never understood what people thought was so ugly about the UI .
What 's so bad about it and what should be changed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never understood what people thought was so ugly about the UI.
What's so bad about it and what should be changed?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592558</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594872</id>
	<title>Friends</title>
	<author>Alioth</author>
	<datestamp>1259860620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>which suggests that Microsoft's new-found eagerness to 'engage' with open source has nothing to do with a real desire to reach a pacific accommodation with free software, but is simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up, and armed with inside knowledge</p></div></blockquote><p>Who was it who said "Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer" ?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>which suggests that Microsoft 's new-found eagerness to 'engage ' with open source has nothing to do with a real desire to reach a pacific accommodation with free software , but is simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up , and armed with inside knowledgeWho was it who said " Keep your friends close , but keep your enemies closer " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>which suggests that Microsoft's new-found eagerness to 'engage' with open source has nothing to do with a real desire to reach a pacific accommodation with free software, but is simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up, and armed with inside knowledgeWho was it who said "Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer" ?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593128</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>SaDan</author>
	<datestamp>1259854500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, it's a threat, whether you think so or not.  I manage about 50 workstations, all Macs, and until recently we've been buying Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac with every new workstation.  Since OpenOffice 3.1 came out, people are using it more and more, mainly because that's what they are using at home on Linux and Windows workstations.  We no longer purchase Microsoft Office for Mac since OpenOffice is becoming the preferred office suite.</p><p>There's definitely a shift beginning to happen away from all things Microsoft when it comes to home computers.  More and more people are being exposed to alternatives to Microsoft, simply through the products available from Apple, applications in the "cloud", set top appliances for home entertainment, alternative firmwares for things like wifi routers, and yes, even Linux distributions like Ubuntu that have steadily been improving the end-user experience over the past several years.  Microsoft is not the end all be all company it once was, people are looking at alternatives, especially if the cost is significantly lower up front.</p><p>As much as I'd love to see everyone running Ubuntu and OpenOffice, I realize it's not going to happen overnight.  But it is starting to happen in places I would have never expected just a couple years ago.  This is the threat Microsoft perceives.  If this shift gains momentum, it will begin to significantly impact their bottom line in a matter of years.</p><p>As for your experiences with OpenOffice, a couple of changes to Firefox would have it automatically opening<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.CSV files in a matter of seconds.  Long load times?  You are on a sub $300 notebook.  Go purchase Microsoft Office 2007, or download a beta, and compare the two instead of blindly faulting OpenOffice for poor performance.  It's probably the cheap machine at fault here.</p><p>In the end, you used TWO competing products to Microsoft Office, for free (minus your time).  And you think Microsoft doesn't have anything to worry about?  Have you purchased Microsoft Office for the netbook yet?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , it 's a threat , whether you think so or not .
I manage about 50 workstations , all Macs , and until recently we 've been buying Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac with every new workstation .
Since OpenOffice 3.1 came out , people are using it more and more , mainly because that 's what they are using at home on Linux and Windows workstations .
We no longer purchase Microsoft Office for Mac since OpenOffice is becoming the preferred office suite.There 's definitely a shift beginning to happen away from all things Microsoft when it comes to home computers .
More and more people are being exposed to alternatives to Microsoft , simply through the products available from Apple , applications in the " cloud " , set top appliances for home entertainment , alternative firmwares for things like wifi routers , and yes , even Linux distributions like Ubuntu that have steadily been improving the end-user experience over the past several years .
Microsoft is not the end all be all company it once was , people are looking at alternatives , especially if the cost is significantly lower up front.As much as I 'd love to see everyone running Ubuntu and OpenOffice , I realize it 's not going to happen overnight .
But it is starting to happen in places I would have never expected just a couple years ago .
This is the threat Microsoft perceives .
If this shift gains momentum , it will begin to significantly impact their bottom line in a matter of years.As for your experiences with OpenOffice , a couple of changes to Firefox would have it automatically opening .CSV files in a matter of seconds .
Long load times ?
You are on a sub $ 300 notebook .
Go purchase Microsoft Office 2007 , or download a beta , and compare the two instead of blindly faulting OpenOffice for poor performance .
It 's probably the cheap machine at fault here.In the end , you used TWO competing products to Microsoft Office , for free ( minus your time ) .
And you think Microsoft does n't have anything to worry about ?
Have you purchased Microsoft Office for the netbook yet ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, it's a threat, whether you think so or not.
I manage about 50 workstations, all Macs, and until recently we've been buying Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac with every new workstation.
Since OpenOffice 3.1 came out, people are using it more and more, mainly because that's what they are using at home on Linux and Windows workstations.
We no longer purchase Microsoft Office for Mac since OpenOffice is becoming the preferred office suite.There's definitely a shift beginning to happen away from all things Microsoft when it comes to home computers.
More and more people are being exposed to alternatives to Microsoft, simply through the products available from Apple, applications in the "cloud", set top appliances for home entertainment, alternative firmwares for things like wifi routers, and yes, even Linux distributions like Ubuntu that have steadily been improving the end-user experience over the past several years.
Microsoft is not the end all be all company it once was, people are looking at alternatives, especially if the cost is significantly lower up front.As much as I'd love to see everyone running Ubuntu and OpenOffice, I realize it's not going to happen overnight.
But it is starting to happen in places I would have never expected just a couple years ago.
This is the threat Microsoft perceives.
If this shift gains momentum, it will begin to significantly impact their bottom line in a matter of years.As for your experiences with OpenOffice, a couple of changes to Firefox would have it automatically opening .CSV files in a matter of seconds.
Long load times?
You are on a sub $300 notebook.
Go purchase Microsoft Office 2007, or download a beta, and compare the two instead of blindly faulting OpenOffice for poor performance.
It's probably the cheap machine at fault here.In the end, you used TWO competing products to Microsoft Office, for free (minus your time).
And you think Microsoft doesn't have anything to worry about?
Have you purchased Microsoft Office for the netbook yet?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593498</id>
	<title>Useful for 99\% of the stuff you use Office for.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259856060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) Opening Office documents - check.<br>2) Creating letters - check<br>3) Creating organized lists using columns (what most users call 'spreadsheets') - check<br>4) Creating actual spreadsheets - as long as they aren't too complicated and don't need to be opened in Excel, check<br>5) Creating presentations -  as long as they aren't too complicated and don't need to be opened in PowerPoint, check<br>6) Everything else - crapshoot.</p><p>But let's face it, for home use or even most business use OO works just fine. My wife, who works in an accounting department, hated OO Calc for the first month but after she became accustomed to the menus she was all smiles. I even have a game at work where I try to open everything in OO. So far, in the IT dept of a world-wide corporation, in two years I have yet to find a document I can't open.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) Opening Office documents - check.2 ) Creating letters - check3 ) Creating organized lists using columns ( what most users call 'spreadsheets ' ) - check4 ) Creating actual spreadsheets - as long as they are n't too complicated and do n't need to be opened in Excel , check5 ) Creating presentations - as long as they are n't too complicated and do n't need to be opened in PowerPoint , check6 ) Everything else - crapshoot.But let 's face it , for home use or even most business use OO works just fine .
My wife , who works in an accounting department , hated OO Calc for the first month but after she became accustomed to the menus she was all smiles .
I even have a game at work where I try to open everything in OO .
So far , in the IT dept of a world-wide corporation , in two years I have yet to find a document I ca n't open .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) Opening Office documents - check.2) Creating letters - check3) Creating organized lists using columns (what most users call 'spreadsheets') - check4) Creating actual spreadsheets - as long as they aren't too complicated and don't need to be opened in Excel, check5) Creating presentations -  as long as they aren't too complicated and don't need to be opened in PowerPoint, check6) Everything else - crapshoot.But let's face it, for home use or even most business use OO works just fine.
My wife, who works in an accounting department, hated OO Calc for the first month but after she became accustomed to the menus she was all smiles.
I even have a game at work where I try to open everything in OO.
So far, in the IT dept of a world-wide corporation, in two years I have yet to find a document I can't open.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592740</id>
	<title>Microsoft makes money in three places</title>
	<author>Trailer Trash</author>
	<datestamp>1259852580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows, Office, and X-Box.  Even if you don't think OO is much of a contender, the fact is that it's threatening 1/3 of their income-producing capability.  It's in their best interest to fight it now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows , Office , and X-Box .
Even if you do n't think OO is much of a contender , the fact is that it 's threatening 1/3 of their income-producing capability .
It 's in their best interest to fight it now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows, Office, and X-Box.
Even if you don't think OO is much of a contender, the fact is that it's threatening 1/3 of their income-producing capability.
It's in their best interest to fight it now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592608</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259851680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You installed OO on a machine that wouldn't even run Office, then complained about start up times. You then played with the software for 5 minutes. It didn't do what you wanted. You didn't find a menu item and you moved on probably without even consulting documentation or Googling. It's possible that OO is lacking the functionality you wanted to use. Who knows. You didn't bother to find out, so why should I. Regardless, I'd say the problem is behind the keyboard in this case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You installed OO on a machine that would n't even run Office , then complained about start up times .
You then played with the software for 5 minutes .
It did n't do what you wanted .
You did n't find a menu item and you moved on probably without even consulting documentation or Googling .
It 's possible that OO is lacking the functionality you wanted to use .
Who knows .
You did n't bother to find out , so why should I. Regardless , I 'd say the problem is behind the keyboard in this case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You installed OO on a machine that wouldn't even run Office, then complained about start up times.
You then played with the software for 5 minutes.
It didn't do what you wanted.
You didn't find a menu item and you moved on probably without even consulting documentation or Googling.
It's possible that OO is lacking the functionality you wanted to use.
Who knows.
You didn't bother to find out, so why should I. Regardless, I'd say the problem is behind the keyboard in this case.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593588</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1259856420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You installed OO on a machine that wouldn't even run Office, then complained about start up times.</p></div><p>In fairness, OpenOffice is slow to load.  Sorry, but yeah, it is.  They're working on it, and it's supposed to be much improved in 3.2.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You installed OO on a machine that would n't even run Office , then complained about start up times.In fairness , OpenOffice is slow to load .
Sorry , but yeah , it is .
They 're working on it , and it 's supposed to be much improved in 3.2 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You installed OO on a machine that wouldn't even run Office, then complained about start up times.In fairness, OpenOffice is slow to load.
Sorry, but yeah, it is.
They're working on it, and it's supposed to be much improved in 3.2.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593998</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259857860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>fag</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>fag</tokentext>
<sentencetext>fag</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592526</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>purplebear</author>
	<datestamp>1259850900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I was all set to read a real world review of OO.o to understand the shortcomings. Well, right up till sentence 3. You lost me there. Can't be a very competent review with that kind of language.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I was all set to read a real world review of OO.o to understand the shortcomings .
Well , right up till sentence 3 .
You lost me there .
Ca n't be a very competent review with that kind of language .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I was all set to read a real world review of OO.o to understand the shortcomings.
Well, right up till sentence 3.
You lost me there.
Can't be a very competent review with that kind of language.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592626</id>
	<title>Re:Flip Flop</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1259851740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Like IronPython?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like IronPython ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like IronPython?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30598860</id>
	<title>Fighting retards scenario... ;)</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1259831640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To me, seeing MS Office and OOo &ldquo;fight&rdquo; each other, is (/would be) like seeing two drooling retards beat each other with a stick or something.</p><p>Both are so bad, it&rsquo;s beyond belief. Even the more than a decade old SmartSuite was better.</p><p>Maybe I&rsquo;m spoiled, since I did so much hard work, and thought so long about how to invent better user interfaces. But to me, they are somewhere at -100 vs -102. I just can&rsquo;t see the difference so deep down there.</p><p>Hell, they still use modal dialogs! And <em>require</em> mouse usage in a text processor!<br>It&rsquo;s beyond ridiculous...</p><p>(Yes, I will give you a money back guarantee to improve it beyond what you could imagine, if you pay me to improve it. But I did too much work to just tell you for free.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To me , seeing MS Office and OOo    fight    each other , is ( /would be ) like seeing two drooling retards beat each other with a stick or something.Both are so bad , it    s beyond belief .
Even the more than a decade old SmartSuite was better.Maybe I    m spoiled , since I did so much hard work , and thought so long about how to invent better user interfaces .
But to me , they are somewhere at -100 vs -102 .
I just can    t see the difference so deep down there.Hell , they still use modal dialogs !
And require mouse usage in a text processor ! It    s beyond ridiculous... ( Yes , I will give you a money back guarantee to improve it beyond what you could imagine , if you pay me to improve it .
But I did too much work to just tell you for free .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To me, seeing MS Office and OOo “fight” each other, is (/would be) like seeing two drooling retards beat each other with a stick or something.Both are so bad, it’s beyond belief.
Even the more than a decade old SmartSuite was better.Maybe I’m spoiled, since I did so much hard work, and thought so long about how to invent better user interfaces.
But to me, they are somewhere at -100 vs -102.
I just can’t see the difference so deep down there.Hell, they still use modal dialogs!
And require mouse usage in a text processor!It’s beyond ridiculous...(Yes, I will give you a money back guarantee to improve it beyond what you could imagine, if you pay me to improve it.
But I did too much work to just tell you for free.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592636</id>
	<title>The suitability of OO depends on target audience</title>
	<author>gregarican</author>
	<datestamp>1259851860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've recommended OO for a fair amount of home users who are casual users of office productivity software. For those folks it's \_okay\_ and fits their needs. Albeit the OO suite isn't lickety-split fast in terms of launch and whatnot for "Joe Six Pack" you can't beat free for someone who's looking to type up a quick letter, create a quick budget spreadsheet, or whip up a simple school presentation.</p><p>That being said, I've also tried implementing OO for my business users, in cases where their new PC's didn't come pre-loaded with Microsoft Office. I would preface their introduction to OO by mentioning that most of the familar menu commands and navigational elements were practically identical. A few weeks later I had no choice but to ante up and purchase full versions of Microsoft Office. Power users in a business environment required elements outside the scope of "Joe Six Pack." Anything from VBA to macros to other features weren't available or else didn't work as expected. And yeah, having budgeted expense goals had me wanting to purchase more Microsoft Office licenses like I'd want a hole in the head.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-/ </p><p>And I know there are navigational and feature issues upgrading users from Office 2003 to 2007. I know with a mixed version environment opening documents is a PITA, and saving documents can result in formatting FUBAR's. Frankly I am dreading when I myself have to make the jump. That is almost as daunting as trying to migrate my power users at work to OO. Still all things taken equal it apparently will be awhile until OO is really an equal competitor, although it's closer than it was back in the days with Sun's Staroffice 5.x and whatnot.</p><p>Perhaps Microsoft is just keeping OO in its rearview mirror to protect its interests. Although the hints of Microsoft's covert infiltration into FOSS circles (while supposedly doing so for collaborative purposes) reeks of insidiousness. Now the cat's out of the bag I wonder how many FOSS projects will welcome them?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've recommended OO for a fair amount of home users who are casual users of office productivity software .
For those folks it 's \ _okay \ _ and fits their needs .
Albeit the OO suite is n't lickety-split fast in terms of launch and whatnot for " Joe Six Pack " you ca n't beat free for someone who 's looking to type up a quick letter , create a quick budget spreadsheet , or whip up a simple school presentation.That being said , I 've also tried implementing OO for my business users , in cases where their new PC 's did n't come pre-loaded with Microsoft Office .
I would preface their introduction to OO by mentioning that most of the familar menu commands and navigational elements were practically identical .
A few weeks later I had no choice but to ante up and purchase full versions of Microsoft Office .
Power users in a business environment required elements outside the scope of " Joe Six Pack .
" Anything from VBA to macros to other features were n't available or else did n't work as expected .
And yeah , having budgeted expense goals had me wanting to purchase more Microsoft Office licenses like I 'd want a hole in the head .
: -/ And I know there are navigational and feature issues upgrading users from Office 2003 to 2007 .
I know with a mixed version environment opening documents is a PITA , and saving documents can result in formatting FUBAR 's .
Frankly I am dreading when I myself have to make the jump .
That is almost as daunting as trying to migrate my power users at work to OO .
Still all things taken equal it apparently will be awhile until OO is really an equal competitor , although it 's closer than it was back in the days with Sun 's Staroffice 5.x and whatnot.Perhaps Microsoft is just keeping OO in its rearview mirror to protect its interests .
Although the hints of Microsoft 's covert infiltration into FOSS circles ( while supposedly doing so for collaborative purposes ) reeks of insidiousness .
Now the cat 's out of the bag I wonder how many FOSS projects will welcome them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've recommended OO for a fair amount of home users who are casual users of office productivity software.
For those folks it's \_okay\_ and fits their needs.
Albeit the OO suite isn't lickety-split fast in terms of launch and whatnot for "Joe Six Pack" you can't beat free for someone who's looking to type up a quick letter, create a quick budget spreadsheet, or whip up a simple school presentation.That being said, I've also tried implementing OO for my business users, in cases where their new PC's didn't come pre-loaded with Microsoft Office.
I would preface their introduction to OO by mentioning that most of the familar menu commands and navigational elements were practically identical.
A few weeks later I had no choice but to ante up and purchase full versions of Microsoft Office.
Power users in a business environment required elements outside the scope of "Joe Six Pack.
" Anything from VBA to macros to other features weren't available or else didn't work as expected.
And yeah, having budgeted expense goals had me wanting to purchase more Microsoft Office licenses like I'd want a hole in the head.
:-/ And I know there are navigational and feature issues upgrading users from Office 2003 to 2007.
I know with a mixed version environment opening documents is a PITA, and saving documents can result in formatting FUBAR's.
Frankly I am dreading when I myself have to make the jump.
That is almost as daunting as trying to migrate my power users at work to OO.
Still all things taken equal it apparently will be awhile until OO is really an equal competitor, although it's closer than it was back in the days with Sun's Staroffice 5.x and whatnot.Perhaps Microsoft is just keeping OO in its rearview mirror to protect its interests.
Although the hints of Microsoft's covert infiltration into FOSS circles (while supposedly doing so for collaborative purposes) reeks of insidiousness.
Now the cat's out of the bag I wonder how many FOSS projects will welcome them?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30597172</id>
	<title>Re:MS is ambivilent</title>
	<author>ianare</author>
	<datestamp>1259868060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't google apps make extensive use of open office in the backend?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't google apps make extensive use of open office in the backend ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't google apps make extensive use of open office in the backend?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30601532</id>
	<title>Re:Excel doesn't even do CSV correctly...</title>
	<author>penguin359</author>
	<datestamp>1259848140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I believe proper quoting will fix that problem.  All CSV files I've seen exported from OOo seem to quote automatically, but not sure about Excel.  Try:<br>
<tt>"Smith","Joe","E","121 Mockingbird Lane","Metropolis","BS","(330)555-1212","0023456789"</tt> <br>
<br>
Normal numbers naturally don't need quoting.  You can even embed quotes in fields by doubling them up:<br>
<tt>0123,"5'2""","Height"</tt> <br>
Which is the number 123, followed by 5'2" as in 5 feet 2 inches, and Height.<br>
<br>
Yes, the quotes are correct.</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe proper quoting will fix that problem .
All CSV files I 've seen exported from OOo seem to quote automatically , but not sure about Excel .
Try : " Smith " , " Joe " , " E " , " 121 Mockingbird Lane " , " Metropolis " , " BS " , " ( 330 ) 555-1212 " , " 0023456789 " Normal numbers naturally do n't need quoting .
You can even embed quotes in fields by doubling them up : 0123 , " 5'2 " " " , " Height " Which is the number 123 , followed by 5'2 " as in 5 feet 2 inches , and Height .
Yes , the quotes are correct .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe proper quoting will fix that problem.
All CSV files I've seen exported from OOo seem to quote automatically, but not sure about Excel.
Try:
"Smith","Joe","E","121 Mockingbird Lane","Metropolis","BS","(330)555-1212","0023456789" 

Normal numbers naturally don't need quoting.
You can even embed quotes in fields by doubling them up:
0123,"5'2""","Height" 
Which is the number 123, followed by 5'2" as in 5 feet 2 inches, and Height.
Yes, the quotes are correct.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30598506</id>
	<title>Re:Excel doesn't even do CSV correctly...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259873160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Force all strings to have delimiters<br>"Smith","Joe","E","121 Mockingbird Lane","Metropolis","BS","(330)555-1212","0023456789"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Force all strings to have delimiters " Smith " , " Joe " , " E " , " 121 Mockingbird Lane " , " Metropolis " , " BS " , " ( 330 ) 555-1212 " , " 0023456789 "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Force all strings to have delimiters"Smith","Joe","E","121 Mockingbird Lane","Metropolis","BS","(330)555-1212","0023456789"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592590</id>
	<title>Oh it will be</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259851500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>...or <i>something</i> will be after the baby boomers die off and gen X and Y are in control.<br> <br>

Seriously, once the people who grew up with computers have the votes and money and all the free time in the world to write angry letters, Microsoft should be very scared.  Our parents couldn't adapt to new OS's, but we can.  We don't need Microsoft.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...or something will be after the baby boomers die off and gen X and Y are in control .
Seriously , once the people who grew up with computers have the votes and money and all the free time in the world to write angry letters , Microsoft should be very scared .
Our parents could n't adapt to new OS 's , but we can .
We do n't need Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...or something will be after the baby boomers die off and gen X and Y are in control.
Seriously, once the people who grew up with computers have the votes and money and all the free time in the world to write angry letters, Microsoft should be very scared.
Our parents couldn't adapt to new OS's, but we can.
We don't need Microsoft.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30600316</id>
	<title>Re:No, "compete" will involve bringing prices down</title>
	<author>jrothwell97</author>
	<datestamp>1259839560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In fact, OpenOffice.org, in its present form, is pretty poor tech (there are many reasons for this, which I shan't quote here for the sake of brevity.)</p><p>BorgOffice is superior in practically every technical aspect. However, as Microsoft knows all too well, if the price is right, the sheep will flock to it, even if it is complete and utter shite.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In fact , OpenOffice.org , in its present form , is pretty poor tech ( there are many reasons for this , which I sha n't quote here for the sake of brevity .
) BorgOffice is superior in practically every technical aspect .
However , as Microsoft knows all too well , if the price is right , the sheep will flock to it , even if it is complete and utter shite .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In fact, OpenOffice.org, in its present form, is pretty poor tech (there are many reasons for this, which I shan't quote here for the sake of brevity.
)BorgOffice is superior in practically every technical aspect.
However, as Microsoft knows all too well, if the price is right, the sheep will flock to it, even if it is complete and utter shite.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594378</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593590</id>
	<title>Tinfoil Hat Much?</title>
	<author>Xacid</author>
	<datestamp>1259856420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"which suggests that Microsoft's new-found eagerness to 'engage' with open source has nothing to do with a real desire to reach a pacific accommodation with free software, but is simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up, and armed with inside knowledge.""</p><p>Sweet jesus that's one hell of an extrapolation from a job posting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" which suggests that Microsoft 's new-found eagerness to 'engage ' with open source has nothing to do with a real desire to reach a pacific accommodation with free software , but is simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up , and armed with inside knowledge .
" " Sweet jesus that 's one hell of an extrapolation from a job posting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"which suggests that Microsoft's new-found eagerness to 'engage' with open source has nothing to do with a real desire to reach a pacific accommodation with free software, but is simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up, and armed with inside knowledge.
""Sweet jesus that's one hell of an extrapolation from a job posting.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30595124</id>
	<title>Open Office...</title>
	<author>pyster</author>
	<datestamp>1259861520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm using open office on my core machine now... and so far it basically sucks donkey balls. I'm going to give it another 2-3 weeks... but so far it is complete crap.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm using open office on my core machine now... and so far it basically sucks donkey balls .
I 'm going to give it another 2-3 weeks... but so far it is complete crap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm using open office on my core machine now... and so far it basically sucks donkey balls.
I'm going to give it another 2-3 weeks... but so far it is complete crap.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593084</id>
	<title>Earth still rotating.</title>
	<author>thethibs</author>
	<datestamp>1259854260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So Microsoft intends to compete with open source on open source's turf.  In what way is this news?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So Microsoft intends to compete with open source on open source 's turf .
In what way is this news ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So Microsoft intends to compete with open source on open source's turf.
In what way is this news?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30596618</id>
	<title>Re:our big barrier</title>
	<author>kent\_eh</author>
	<datestamp>1259865960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Last year my wife did a contract publishing a newsletter for a non-profit.<br>
She used Scribus for the desktop publishing, and OO.O for editing the articles, maintaining the mailing lists (including mail merge), and tracking the costs (and reporting same).  All the graphics were done in Gimp and (by me) in Inkscape.<br> <br>

She had not used any of these programs before (having worked in MS only government offices) but was willing to give it a try. The first month was a bit of a learning curve, but she was able to handle all the required tasks with a bit of help from the software's included docs and a few on-line tutorials. <br> <br>
Yes, the software was different from what she had used in the past, but she was able to adapt<br>
Yes, she did use several advanced features, and didn't end up in a frustrated rage<br>
<br> <br> And she got un-solicited compliments on how good the finished product looked from several members of the org she was working for. As well as from the treasurer, who asked her how she got so much flexibility in the reports she submitted to the board. He's now using OO.o for his spreadsheets and reports.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Last year my wife did a contract publishing a newsletter for a non-profit .
She used Scribus for the desktop publishing , and OO.O for editing the articles , maintaining the mailing lists ( including mail merge ) , and tracking the costs ( and reporting same ) .
All the graphics were done in Gimp and ( by me ) in Inkscape .
She had not used any of these programs before ( having worked in MS only government offices ) but was willing to give it a try .
The first month was a bit of a learning curve , but she was able to handle all the required tasks with a bit of help from the software 's included docs and a few on-line tutorials .
Yes , the software was different from what she had used in the past , but she was able to adapt Yes , she did use several advanced features , and did n't end up in a frustrated rage And she got un-solicited compliments on how good the finished product looked from several members of the org she was working for .
As well as from the treasurer , who asked her how she got so much flexibility in the reports she submitted to the board .
He 's now using OO.o for his spreadsheets and reports .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last year my wife did a contract publishing a newsletter for a non-profit.
She used Scribus for the desktop publishing, and OO.O for editing the articles, maintaining the mailing lists (including mail merge), and tracking the costs (and reporting same).
All the graphics were done in Gimp and (by me) in Inkscape.
She had not used any of these programs before (having worked in MS only government offices) but was willing to give it a try.
The first month was a bit of a learning curve, but she was able to handle all the required tasks with a bit of help from the software's included docs and a few on-line tutorials.
Yes, the software was different from what she had used in the past, but she was able to adapt
Yes, she did use several advanced features, and didn't end up in a frustrated rage
  And she got un-solicited compliments on how good the finished product looked from several members of the org she was working for.
As well as from the treasurer, who asked her how she got so much flexibility in the reports she submitted to the board.
He's now using OO.o for his spreadsheets and reports.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592864</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592736</id>
	<title>There is no "inside knowledge"!</title>
	<author>Nerd42</author>
	<datestamp>1259852460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is no "inside knowledge"! That's the point of GPL!! If Microsoft is looking for some, that'll be a long search!</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no " inside knowledge " !
That 's the point of GPL ! !
If Microsoft is looking for some , that 'll be a long search !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no "inside knowledge"!
That's the point of GPL!!
If Microsoft is looking for some, that'll be a long search!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592838</id>
	<title>I really wanted to like OOo</title>
	<author>crunchly</author>
	<datestamp>1259853120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I switched to a Mac as my primary machine, I decided to move away from MS Office on my PC and try OpenOffice. It was ok for some casual things, but when I started creating more serious documents (like my resume), I ran into many issues. Formatting was not always consistent and printing did not always match what was on screen. Often times, there would be display problems, like incorrect screen redraws when scrolling. These are important on any platform, but were particularly annoying on OS X where display/output consistency has traditionally been a stong point.</p><p>Another issue, although not OOo's specifically, is that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc is still the format required by many sites and the filter used by OOo doesn't always produce correctly formatted documents.</p><p>Now I realize that these issues may be specific to the Mac port of OOo, but they were enough to deter me from it. I tried very hard to avoid MS Office (even tried iWork, but lack of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc was a killer), but until other file formats (like OpenDocument) become more accepted, it will be hard for other products to be competitive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I switched to a Mac as my primary machine , I decided to move away from MS Office on my PC and try OpenOffice .
It was ok for some casual things , but when I started creating more serious documents ( like my resume ) , I ran into many issues .
Formatting was not always consistent and printing did not always match what was on screen .
Often times , there would be display problems , like incorrect screen redraws when scrolling .
These are important on any platform , but were particularly annoying on OS X where display/output consistency has traditionally been a stong point.Another issue , although not OOo 's specifically , is that .doc is still the format required by many sites and the filter used by OOo does n't always produce correctly formatted documents.Now I realize that these issues may be specific to the Mac port of OOo , but they were enough to deter me from it .
I tried very hard to avoid MS Office ( even tried iWork , but lack of .doc was a killer ) , but until other file formats ( like OpenDocument ) become more accepted , it will be hard for other products to be competitive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I switched to a Mac as my primary machine, I decided to move away from MS Office on my PC and try OpenOffice.
It was ok for some casual things, but when I started creating more serious documents (like my resume), I ran into many issues.
Formatting was not always consistent and printing did not always match what was on screen.
Often times, there would be display problems, like incorrect screen redraws when scrolling.
These are important on any platform, but were particularly annoying on OS X where display/output consistency has traditionally been a stong point.Another issue, although not OOo's specifically, is that .doc is still the format required by many sites and the filter used by OOo doesn't always produce correctly formatted documents.Now I realize that these issues may be specific to the Mac port of OOo, but they were enough to deter me from it.
I tried very hard to avoid MS Office (even tried iWork, but lack of .doc was a killer), but until other file formats (like OpenDocument) become more accepted, it will be hard for other products to be competitive.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30601474</id>
	<title>Re:Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1259847600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I use IBM's Lotus Symphony package, myself. Good support, and it "looks" far better than OpenOffice (which sometimes makes all the difference when you're trying to convince someone to use it. That, and it's got native Mac, PC, and Ubuntu versions.</p></div><p>You do realize, though, that Symphony is based on OO.org 1.x - i.e. 2 major versions behind mainstream?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use IBM 's Lotus Symphony package , myself .
Good support , and it " looks " far better than OpenOffice ( which sometimes makes all the difference when you 're trying to convince someone to use it .
That , and it 's got native Mac , PC , and Ubuntu versions.You do realize , though , that Symphony is based on OO.org 1.x - i.e .
2 major versions behind mainstream ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use IBM's Lotus Symphony package, myself.
Good support, and it "looks" far better than OpenOffice (which sometimes makes all the difference when you're trying to convince someone to use it.
That, and it's got native Mac, PC, and Ubuntu versions.You do realize, though, that Symphony is based on OO.org 1.x - i.e.
2 major versions behind mainstream?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592746</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30602802</id>
	<title>Re:OO is a work-alike-mostly-sorta to MS Office...</title>
	<author>wvmarle</author>
	<datestamp>1259860740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But, my wife, who is an MS Office expert, can't stand it. It is just too limited and clunky compared to Office, she says.</p></div><p>Any specific examples of advanced features that your wife needs and that work so much better in MS Office, or are simply completely absent in OOo, that makes it worth paying for it?
</p><p>And secondly you talk about a "serious user" market - what is a "serious user"? I am using OOo all the time, and I have never found any limitation. Now it may help I'm just using it for simple documents (mostly invoices) but I would call myself a "serious user". It's been like ten years or more since I seriously used MS Office. I used StarOffice before and also that did the job for me just fine.
</p><p>It may help that I want to write documents, not endlessly tinker with layout (and trying to do DTP) - if I wanted to do DTP I'd start checking out more specialised DTP software instead.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But , my wife , who is an MS Office expert , ca n't stand it .
It is just too limited and clunky compared to Office , she says.Any specific examples of advanced features that your wife needs and that work so much better in MS Office , or are simply completely absent in OOo , that makes it worth paying for it ?
And secondly you talk about a " serious user " market - what is a " serious user " ?
I am using OOo all the time , and I have never found any limitation .
Now it may help I 'm just using it for simple documents ( mostly invoices ) but I would call myself a " serious user " .
It 's been like ten years or more since I seriously used MS Office .
I used StarOffice before and also that did the job for me just fine .
It may help that I want to write documents , not endlessly tinker with layout ( and trying to do DTP ) - if I wanted to do DTP I 'd start checking out more specialised DTP software instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But, my wife, who is an MS Office expert, can't stand it.
It is just too limited and clunky compared to Office, she says.Any specific examples of advanced features that your wife needs and that work so much better in MS Office, or are simply completely absent in OOo, that makes it worth paying for it?
And secondly you talk about a "serious user" market - what is a "serious user"?
I am using OOo all the time, and I have never found any limitation.
Now it may help I'm just using it for simple documents (mostly invoices) but I would call myself a "serious user".
It's been like ten years or more since I seriously used MS Office.
I used StarOffice before and also that did the job for me just fine.
It may help that I want to write documents, not endlessly tinker with layout (and trying to do DTP) - if I wanted to do DTP I'd start checking out more specialised DTP software instead.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592604</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592554</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>MathFox</author>
	<datestamp>1259851260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a program that generates CSV output, for import into a spreadsheet. Open Office Calc creates the sheet I expect (slowly but correct). However, Excel sees it fit to mess op the data; it arbitrarily breaks long lines mid-field, creating a mess that requires more time to clean up than waiting for OOo to import correctly.
<p>
N.B. OOo suffices for most of my business correspondence; I prefer (La)TeX/LyX for the more scientific documents.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a program that generates CSV output , for import into a spreadsheet .
Open Office Calc creates the sheet I expect ( slowly but correct ) .
However , Excel sees it fit to mess op the data ; it arbitrarily breaks long lines mid-field , creating a mess that requires more time to clean up than waiting for OOo to import correctly .
N.B. OOo suffices for most of my business correspondence ; I prefer ( La ) TeX/LyX for the more scientific documents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a program that generates CSV output, for import into a spreadsheet.
Open Office Calc creates the sheet I expect (slowly but correct).
However, Excel sees it fit to mess op the data; it arbitrarily breaks long lines mid-field, creating a mess that requires more time to clean up than waiting for OOo to import correctly.
N.B. OOo suffices for most of my business correspondence; I prefer (La)TeX/LyX for the more scientific documents.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592454</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593888</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Sir\_Lewk</author>
	<datestamp>1259857500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I was all set to read a real world retort of an OO.o review.  Well, right up till sentence 2.  You lost me there.  Can't be a very good retort if the author isn't even a mature enough adult to interpret the meaning of a piece of text regardless of how many "naughty" words were used.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I was all set to read a real world retort of an OO.o review .
Well , right up till sentence 2 .
You lost me there .
Ca n't be a very good retort if the author is n't even a mature enough adult to interpret the meaning of a piece of text regardless of how many " naughty " words were used .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I was all set to read a real world retort of an OO.o review.
Well, right up till sentence 2.
You lost me there.
Can't be a very good retort if the author isn't even a mature enough adult to interpret the meaning of a piece of text regardless of how many "naughty" words were used.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592526</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592540</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>hilather</author>
	<datestamp>1259851080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're hired.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're hired .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're hired.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592454</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593556</id>
	<title>Oxymoron</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259856300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>are fully ready to compete against Linux and participate with Open Source Communities....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>are fully ready to compete against Linux and participate with Open Source Communities... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>are fully ready to compete against Linux and participate with Open Source Communities....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592746</id>
	<title>Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.</title>
	<author>mdm-adph</author>
	<datestamp>1259852580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds pretty normal for Microsoft.</p><p>I use IBM's <a href="http://symphony.lotus.com/" title="lotus.com">Lotus Symphony</a> [lotus.com] package, myself.  Good support, and it "looks" far better than OpenOffice (which sometimes makes all the difference when you're trying to convince someone to use it.  That, and it's got native Mac, PC, and Ubuntu versions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds pretty normal for Microsoft.I use IBM 's Lotus Symphony [ lotus.com ] package , myself .
Good support , and it " looks " far better than OpenOffice ( which sometimes makes all the difference when you 're trying to convince someone to use it .
That , and it 's got native Mac , PC , and Ubuntu versions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds pretty normal for Microsoft.I use IBM's Lotus Symphony [lotus.com] package, myself.
Good support, and it "looks" far better than OpenOffice (which sometimes makes all the difference when you're trying to convince someone to use it.
That, and it's got native Mac, PC, and Ubuntu versions.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594322</id>
	<title>To quote Andy Grove</title>
	<author>A12m0v</author>
	<datestamp>1259858940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Success breeds complacency. Complacency breeds failure. Only the paranoid survive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Success breeds complacency .
Complacency breeds failure .
Only the paranoid survive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Success breeds complacency.
Complacency breeds failure.
Only the paranoid survive.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30597696</id>
	<title>Re:our big barrier</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259870220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>step 1:  announce that due to economic hard times, your company needs to save $50,000 (pick a reasonable number) or reduce staffing by an appropriate number of full-time or part time employees.<br>step 2:  solicit from your employees suggestions for cost savings (as simple as turning off lights, turning off computers at the end of the day, etc.)<br>step 3:  anonymously submit the suggestion to stop paying MS licenses and convert to less expensive options (OO.o, Linux) wherever possible.</p><p>Then see who rebels when you implement OO.o as policy.</p><p>That is what my company did (though they did not act on my suggestion to ditch microsoft products for less expensive alternatives) and so far no one has been layed off.  I think the economic hardship thing was a ruse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>step 1 : announce that due to economic hard times , your company needs to save $ 50,000 ( pick a reasonable number ) or reduce staffing by an appropriate number of full-time or part time employees.step 2 : solicit from your employees suggestions for cost savings ( as simple as turning off lights , turning off computers at the end of the day , etc .
) step 3 : anonymously submit the suggestion to stop paying MS licenses and convert to less expensive options ( OO.o , Linux ) wherever possible.Then see who rebels when you implement OO.o as policy.That is what my company did ( though they did not act on my suggestion to ditch microsoft products for less expensive alternatives ) and so far no one has been layed off .
I think the economic hardship thing was a ruse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>step 1:  announce that due to economic hard times, your company needs to save $50,000 (pick a reasonable number) or reduce staffing by an appropriate number of full-time or part time employees.step 2:  solicit from your employees suggestions for cost savings (as simple as turning off lights, turning off computers at the end of the day, etc.
)step 3:  anonymously submit the suggestion to stop paying MS licenses and convert to less expensive options (OO.o, Linux) wherever possible.Then see who rebels when you implement OO.o as policy.That is what my company did (though they did not act on my suggestion to ditch microsoft products for less expensive alternatives) and so far no one has been layed off.
I think the economic hardship thing was a ruse.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592864</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592840</id>
	<title>Wanted: FUD Specialist</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259853180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the job description<br>"2. Be a Perception Change Agent"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the job description " 2 .
Be a Perception Change Agent "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the job description"2.
Be a Perception Change Agent"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592968</id>
	<title>"Better"</title>
	<author>Jodka</author>
	<datestamp>1259853780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Most people regard OpenOffice.org as a distant runner-up to Microsoft Office, and certainly not a serious rival.</i> </p><p>It is not about the performance of the product, it's about performance-per-dollar.  And the question the customer should ask himself is is not "does this product do everything" the question he should ask is "does this product to what I need it to do."  And the issue is not the present but the future,  not about whether Microsoft Office is "better" than OpenOffice now, but whether OpenOffice gains more momentum and continues to improve.</p><p>Can a low-priced inferior product overtake more expensive better-quality products in the marketplace?  Yes.  Microsoft should know, that is pretty much the entire history of the company.</p><p>Should Microsoft worry about OpenOffice undermining Microsoft Office market share?  Yes.  Can they do anything about it?  Probably nothing except lower their prices.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people regard OpenOffice.org as a distant runner-up to Microsoft Office , and certainly not a serious rival .
It is not about the performance of the product , it 's about performance-per-dollar .
And the question the customer should ask himself is is not " does this product do everything " the question he should ask is " does this product to what I need it to do .
" And the issue is not the present but the future , not about whether Microsoft Office is " better " than OpenOffice now , but whether OpenOffice gains more momentum and continues to improve.Can a low-priced inferior product overtake more expensive better-quality products in the marketplace ?
Yes. Microsoft should know , that is pretty much the entire history of the company.Should Microsoft worry about OpenOffice undermining Microsoft Office market share ?
Yes. Can they do anything about it ?
Probably nothing except lower their prices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Most people regard OpenOffice.org as a distant runner-up to Microsoft Office, and certainly not a serious rival.
It is not about the performance of the product, it's about performance-per-dollar.
And the question the customer should ask himself is is not "does this product do everything" the question he should ask is "does this product to what I need it to do.
"  And the issue is not the present but the future,  not about whether Microsoft Office is "better" than OpenOffice now, but whether OpenOffice gains more momentum and continues to improve.Can a low-priced inferior product overtake more expensive better-quality products in the marketplace?
Yes.  Microsoft should know, that is pretty much the entire history of the company.Should Microsoft worry about OpenOffice undermining Microsoft Office market share?
Yes.  Can they do anything about it?
Probably nothing except lower their prices.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593390</id>
	<title>the Microsoft EDGI program</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259855760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>OpenOffice isn't the real threat, as internal documents directly from Microsoft show. Linux is seen as such a threat that there is a special program aimed at keeping it off the desktop. This program is known as <strong>EDGI</strong> - Education Government Incentive.<br> <br>

A cross-group team has been working for the last two weeks on a proposal to have a more planned response process to defend against Linux<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..<br> <br>

It is important to note that there are two major issues that need to be solved.<br> <br>
1. How to best help developing countries jumpstart the establishment of an effective educational infrastructure that can leverage the benefits of technology<br> <br>
2. How to effectively win against the no-cost/low-cost competitor in large government deals (i.e. "<a href="http://edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/9000/PX09683.pdf" title="edge-op.org" rel="nofollow">Don't lose to Linux</a> [edge-op.org]").
This proposal is squarely aimed at the second issue, although there is considerable overlap between the two<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..<br> <br>

<strong>Funding</strong> <br>
Since these opportunities are largely tied back to winning in a specific competitive environment (<strong>Linux and StarOffice</strong>) we are proposing a $50MM (approx. 5\% of VTW Education revenue) fund<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..</htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenOffice is n't the real threat , as internal documents directly from Microsoft show .
Linux is seen as such a threat that there is a special program aimed at keeping it off the desktop .
This program is known as EDGI - Education Government Incentive .
A cross-group team has been working for the last two weeks on a proposal to have a more planned response process to defend against Linux . . It is important to note that there are two major issues that need to be solved .
1. How to best help developing countries jumpstart the establishment of an effective educational infrastructure that can leverage the benefits of technology 2 .
How to effectively win against the no-cost/low-cost competitor in large government deals ( i.e .
" Do n't lose to Linux [ edge-op.org ] " ) .
This proposal is squarely aimed at the second issue , although there is considerable overlap between the two . . Funding Since these opportunities are largely tied back to winning in a specific competitive environment ( Linux and StarOffice ) we are proposing a $ 50MM ( approx .
5 \ % of VTW Education revenue ) fund . .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenOffice isn't the real threat, as internal documents directly from Microsoft show.
Linux is seen as such a threat that there is a special program aimed at keeping it off the desktop.
This program is known as EDGI - Education Government Incentive.
A cross-group team has been working for the last two weeks on a proposal to have a more planned response process to defend against Linux .. 

It is important to note that there are two major issues that need to be solved.
1. How to best help developing countries jumpstart the establishment of an effective educational infrastructure that can leverage the benefits of technology 
2.
How to effectively win against the no-cost/low-cost competitor in large government deals (i.e.
"Don't lose to Linux [edge-op.org]").
This proposal is squarely aimed at the second issue, although there is considerable overlap between the two .. 

Funding 
Since these opportunities are largely tied back to winning in a specific competitive environment (Linux and StarOffice) we are proposing a $50MM (approx.
5\% of VTW Education revenue) fund ..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593046</id>
	<title>There are many reasons to acknowledge a threat...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259854140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>which suggests that Microsoft's new-found eagerness to 'engage' with open source has nothing to do with a real desire to reach a pacific accommodation with free software, but is simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up, and armed with inside knowledge.</p></div><p>There are many reasons to acknowledge a threat, and I'm not sure getting up close and personal is the tree that they are barking up here.</p><p>If Microsoft were to go around saying they they had <i>no</i> threats worth considering it would look like they have little competition and bring them under greater scrutiny from a monopoly policing point of view. Also such hubris would look iffy to current and potential inverters - investing in a company that is, or seems to be, resting on its laurels is not a good long-term strategy especially in a market where there are alternatives currently available (whether they are acknowledged by said company or not).</p><p>Ignoring the more cynical interpretations above for a moment: knowing the competition is important to any business. Whatever your opinion of the strengths (absolute or relative to other products) of OO.o it <i>is</i> a competitor in that particular market and MS would be foolish <i>not</i> to recognise that and be seen to be appropriately aware of the situation.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>which suggests that Microsoft 's new-found eagerness to 'engage ' with open source has nothing to do with a real desire to reach a pacific accommodation with free software , but is simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up , and armed with inside knowledge.There are many reasons to acknowledge a threat , and I 'm not sure getting up close and personal is the tree that they are barking up here.If Microsoft were to go around saying they they had no threats worth considering it would look like they have little competition and bring them under greater scrutiny from a monopoly policing point of view .
Also such hubris would look iffy to current and potential inverters - investing in a company that is , or seems to be , resting on its laurels is not a good long-term strategy especially in a market where there are alternatives currently available ( whether they are acknowledged by said company or not ) .Ignoring the more cynical interpretations above for a moment : knowing the competition is important to any business .
Whatever your opinion of the strengths ( absolute or relative to other products ) of OO.o it is a competitor in that particular market and MS would be foolish not to recognise that and be seen to be appropriately aware of the situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>which suggests that Microsoft's new-found eagerness to 'engage' with open source has nothing to do with a real desire to reach a pacific accommodation with free software, but is simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up, and armed with inside knowledge.There are many reasons to acknowledge a threat, and I'm not sure getting up close and personal is the tree that they are barking up here.If Microsoft were to go around saying they they had no threats worth considering it would look like they have little competition and bring them under greater scrutiny from a monopoly policing point of view.
Also such hubris would look iffy to current and potential inverters - investing in a company that is, or seems to be, resting on its laurels is not a good long-term strategy especially in a market where there are alternatives currently available (whether they are acknowledged by said company or not).Ignoring the more cynical interpretations above for a moment: knowing the competition is important to any business.
Whatever your opinion of the strengths (absolute or relative to other products) of OO.o it is a competitor in that particular market and MS would be foolish not to recognise that and be seen to be appropriately aware of the situation.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592674</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259852040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I didn't read your entire post, but, MS Office can't properly handle CSV either. If you have an internationalized Windows and in the language settings of WINDOWS (not of office or anything!!), you have somewhere ";" instead of "," as "separator", then MS Excel can't read a CSV that uses "," anymore! It's called COMMA separated list, and yet excel can't read it and uses your localized settings, so that people with a computer of a different language can't even exchange such files with each other!</p><p>Come on, it's called CSV, why doesn't MS Office always use comma's then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did n't read your entire post , but , MS Office ca n't properly handle CSV either .
If you have an internationalized Windows and in the language settings of WINDOWS ( not of office or anything ! !
) , you have somewhere " ; " instead of " , " as " separator " , then MS Excel ca n't read a CSV that uses " , " anymore !
It 's called COMMA separated list , and yet excel ca n't read it and uses your localized settings , so that people with a computer of a different language ca n't even exchange such files with each other ! Come on , it 's called CSV , why does n't MS Office always use comma 's then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I didn't read your entire post, but, MS Office can't properly handle CSV either.
If you have an internationalized Windows and in the language settings of WINDOWS (not of office or anything!!
), you have somewhere ";" instead of "," as "separator", then MS Excel can't read a CSV that uses "," anymore!
It's called COMMA separated list, and yet excel can't read it and uses your localized settings, so that people with a computer of a different language can't even exchange such files with each other!Come on, it's called CSV, why doesn't MS Office always use comma's then.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594100</id>
	<title>Worst experience ever!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259858160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Figuring I'd save my accounting department a few hundred dollers pur desktop I uninstalled Microsoft Office from their PC's one night after the workers left. One of my friends whose really smart and has worked at Best Bye for 6 months now said this Open Office program was just as good and was free! So I thought my bosses would really be proud at all of the money I saved them.</p><p>Well, the next morning when the accountants came into work and couldn't open any of their Excel files I would of thought that the office was on fire! They were all red-faced and pounding there desks with there fists. Of course my big boss came out of his office too see what all of the yellking was about.</p><p>I didn't want to admit to being the one who unintalled Microsoft Office, but I had too own up too it. Since we didn't have any real install CDs for Microsoft Office our accounting department say on there hands and my boss screamed at me at the top of his lungs. I almost broke down and cried in front of him.</p><p>Trust me, that's the last time I will ever try to install any of that free software that is supposed too be just as good as what Microsoft makes. Open Office was a joke but my big boss was not laughing. And neither was I.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Figuring I 'd save my accounting department a few hundred dollers pur desktop I uninstalled Microsoft Office from their PC 's one night after the workers left .
One of my friends whose really smart and has worked at Best Bye for 6 months now said this Open Office program was just as good and was free !
So I thought my bosses would really be proud at all of the money I saved them.Well , the next morning when the accountants came into work and could n't open any of their Excel files I would of thought that the office was on fire !
They were all red-faced and pounding there desks with there fists .
Of course my big boss came out of his office too see what all of the yellking was about.I did n't want to admit to being the one who unintalled Microsoft Office , but I had too own up too it .
Since we did n't have any real install CDs for Microsoft Office our accounting department say on there hands and my boss screamed at me at the top of his lungs .
I almost broke down and cried in front of him.Trust me , that 's the last time I will ever try to install any of that free software that is supposed too be just as good as what Microsoft makes .
Open Office was a joke but my big boss was not laughing .
And neither was I .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Figuring I'd save my accounting department a few hundred dollers pur desktop I uninstalled Microsoft Office from their PC's one night after the workers left.
One of my friends whose really smart and has worked at Best Bye for 6 months now said this Open Office program was just as good and was free!
So I thought my bosses would really be proud at all of the money I saved them.Well, the next morning when the accountants came into work and couldn't open any of their Excel files I would of thought that the office was on fire!
They were all red-faced and pounding there desks with there fists.
Of course my big boss came out of his office too see what all of the yellking was about.I didn't want to admit to being the one who unintalled Microsoft Office, but I had too own up too it.
Since we didn't have any real install CDs for Microsoft Office our accounting department say on there hands and my boss screamed at me at the top of his lungs.
I almost broke down and cried in front of him.Trust me, that's the last time I will ever try to install any of that free software that is supposed too be just as good as what Microsoft makes.
Open Office was a joke but my big boss was not laughing.
And neither was I.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30595846</id>
	<title>For crying out loud...</title>
	<author>Petersko</author>
	<datestamp>1259863560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"I didn't read your entire post, but, MS Office can't properly handle CSV either. If you have an internationalized Windows and in the language settings of WINDOWS (not of office or anything!!), you have somewhere ";" instead of "," as "separator", then MS Excel can't read a CSV that uses "," anymore! It's called COMMA separated list, and yet excel can't read it and uses your localized settings, so that people with a computer of a different language can't even exchange such files with each other!"</i> <br> <br>

I'm looking at the wizard right now, and I see under "delimiters" options for tab, semicolon, comma - and an option for "other", along with a box to put your delimiter in. I'll be very surprised if that doesn't work for you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" I did n't read your entire post , but , MS Office ca n't properly handle CSV either .
If you have an internationalized Windows and in the language settings of WINDOWS ( not of office or anything ! !
) , you have somewhere " ; " instead of " , " as " separator " , then MS Excel ca n't read a CSV that uses " , " anymore !
It 's called COMMA separated list , and yet excel ca n't read it and uses your localized settings , so that people with a computer of a different language ca n't even exchange such files with each other !
" I 'm looking at the wizard right now , and I see under " delimiters " options for tab , semicolon , comma - and an option for " other " , along with a box to put your delimiter in .
I 'll be very surprised if that does n't work for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I didn't read your entire post, but, MS Office can't properly handle CSV either.
If you have an internationalized Windows and in the language settings of WINDOWS (not of office or anything!!
), you have somewhere ";" instead of "," as "separator", then MS Excel can't read a CSV that uses "," anymore!
It's called COMMA separated list, and yet excel can't read it and uses your localized settings, so that people with a computer of a different language can't even exchange such files with each other!
"  

I'm looking at the wizard right now, and I see under "delimiters" options for tab, semicolon, comma - and an option for "other", along with a box to put your delimiter in.
I'll be very surprised if that doesn't work for you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592864</id>
	<title>our big barrier</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259853360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work at a medium size non-profit, and a couple of years ago I tried to get all of us to change to oo.org.  I still use it for all my own use instead of ms office but everyone else rebelled and I had to drop it as an idea.</p><p>Like I said, it's been a couple of years now, and when we tried it what basically killed the whole thing is its problem doing mail merges.  Arguably it had a BETTER interface to databases than any office product, but the problem is that everyone here has no technical inclination except for me and it requires thought.  Plus back in version 2 it was buggy and it wouldn't match up formatting correctly. At lot of the research I did at the time pretty much seemed to indicate that the oo.org staff didn't care much about getting mail merges to work and it wasn't much a priority.</p><p>Maybe someone here can bring me up to date on any progress in this area.  I hope that at some point oo.org can provide a really simple mail merge "wizard" (I hate that term) that works with spreadsheets that the plebeians can understand along with a database interface that can give programs like Crystal Reports a run for its money...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work at a medium size non-profit , and a couple of years ago I tried to get all of us to change to oo.org .
I still use it for all my own use instead of ms office but everyone else rebelled and I had to drop it as an idea.Like I said , it 's been a couple of years now , and when we tried it what basically killed the whole thing is its problem doing mail merges .
Arguably it had a BETTER interface to databases than any office product , but the problem is that everyone here has no technical inclination except for me and it requires thought .
Plus back in version 2 it was buggy and it would n't match up formatting correctly .
At lot of the research I did at the time pretty much seemed to indicate that the oo.org staff did n't care much about getting mail merges to work and it was n't much a priority.Maybe someone here can bring me up to date on any progress in this area .
I hope that at some point oo.org can provide a really simple mail merge " wizard " ( I hate that term ) that works with spreadsheets that the plebeians can understand along with a database interface that can give programs like Crystal Reports a run for its money.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work at a medium size non-profit, and a couple of years ago I tried to get all of us to change to oo.org.
I still use it for all my own use instead of ms office but everyone else rebelled and I had to drop it as an idea.Like I said, it's been a couple of years now, and when we tried it what basically killed the whole thing is its problem doing mail merges.
Arguably it had a BETTER interface to databases than any office product, but the problem is that everyone here has no technical inclination except for me and it requires thought.
Plus back in version 2 it was buggy and it wouldn't match up formatting correctly.
At lot of the research I did at the time pretty much seemed to indicate that the oo.org staff didn't care much about getting mail merges to work and it wasn't much a priority.Maybe someone here can bring me up to date on any progress in this area.
I hope that at some point oo.org can provide a really simple mail merge "wizard" (I hate that term) that works with spreadsheets that the plebeians can understand along with a database interface that can give programs like Crystal Reports a run for its money...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592448</id>
	<title>I use it because...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259850120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...its GUI is more like Microsoft Office pre-2007 than Microsoft Office 2007 is, and I have never gotten used to the 2007 interface.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...its GUI is more like Microsoft Office pre-2007 than Microsoft Office 2007 is , and I have never gotten used to the 2007 interface .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...its GUI is more like Microsoft Office pre-2007 than Microsoft Office 2007 is, and I have never gotten used to the 2007 interface.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593412</id>
	<title>I hate Microsoft as the next guy but...</title>
	<author>Tei</author>
	<datestamp>1259855820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have to admit that the office of Microsoft is superior to the Open Office one.  But has home users don't need Photoshop, home users don't need a better office package than Open Office.  Microsoft Office is interface has better usability, what result on more productivity and happy users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to admit that the office of Microsoft is superior to the Open Office one .
But has home users do n't need Photoshop , home users do n't need a better office package than Open Office .
Microsoft Office is interface has better usability , what result on more productivity and happy users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to admit that the office of Microsoft is superior to the Open Office one.
But has home users don't need Photoshop, home users don't need a better office package than Open Office.
Microsoft Office is interface has better usability, what result on more productivity and happy users.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593042</id>
	<title>MS is ambivilent</title>
	<author>spyrochaete</author>
	<datestamp>1259854140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work for a reseller of Microsoft (and other vendors') software and have attended many MS presentations about Office vs. OOo vs. Google Apps.  Microsoft is marginally worried about Openoffice in some geographies (mainly France where the government freely gives out OOo disks at the taxpayers' expense) but has a clear objection handling routine for everywhere else.  Basically, Microsoft urges companies to to try Openoffice so that they can learn how dated and incompatible it is with the business world in general.  They also push organizations to try Evolution instead of Outlook for the same reasons.</p><p>You'd be surprised how many emails we get out of the blue stating "we're an all Linux shop but we want an Exchange server with Outlook licenses for compatibility reasons.  How much for a server and 100 seats of Office?"</p><p>Anyway, Microsoft's real fear right now is Google Apps.  Everybody, even Google, knows how inferior Apps is to Office, but the sexy Google name greases the runway to bring this cloud-based office solution into more and more workplaces.  Microsoft is fighting tooth and nail to prevent every single switch from Office to Apps.  Openoffice is hardly on Microsoft's radar compared to Google.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work for a reseller of Microsoft ( and other vendors ' ) software and have attended many MS presentations about Office vs. OOo vs. Google Apps .
Microsoft is marginally worried about Openoffice in some geographies ( mainly France where the government freely gives out OOo disks at the taxpayers ' expense ) but has a clear objection handling routine for everywhere else .
Basically , Microsoft urges companies to to try Openoffice so that they can learn how dated and incompatible it is with the business world in general .
They also push organizations to try Evolution instead of Outlook for the same reasons.You 'd be surprised how many emails we get out of the blue stating " we 're an all Linux shop but we want an Exchange server with Outlook licenses for compatibility reasons .
How much for a server and 100 seats of Office ?
" Anyway , Microsoft 's real fear right now is Google Apps .
Everybody , even Google , knows how inferior Apps is to Office , but the sexy Google name greases the runway to bring this cloud-based office solution into more and more workplaces .
Microsoft is fighting tooth and nail to prevent every single switch from Office to Apps .
Openoffice is hardly on Microsoft 's radar compared to Google .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work for a reseller of Microsoft (and other vendors') software and have attended many MS presentations about Office vs. OOo vs. Google Apps.
Microsoft is marginally worried about Openoffice in some geographies (mainly France where the government freely gives out OOo disks at the taxpayers' expense) but has a clear objection handling routine for everywhere else.
Basically, Microsoft urges companies to to try Openoffice so that they can learn how dated and incompatible it is with the business world in general.
They also push organizations to try Evolution instead of Outlook for the same reasons.You'd be surprised how many emails we get out of the blue stating "we're an all Linux shop but we want an Exchange server with Outlook licenses for compatibility reasons.
How much for a server and 100 seats of Office?
"Anyway, Microsoft's real fear right now is Google Apps.
Everybody, even Google, knows how inferior Apps is to Office, but the sexy Google name greases the runway to bring this cloud-based office solution into more and more workplaces.
Microsoft is fighting tooth and nail to prevent every single switch from Office to Apps.
Openoffice is hardly on Microsoft's radar compared to Google.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30595742</id>
	<title>Re:I use it because...</title>
	<author>stewbacca</author>
	<datestamp>1259863200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Flamebait?  Really?  You make an excellent point. I've tried Open Office and it isn't good enough to be worth the hassle. It's actually easier to find an Office torrent than it is to install a legit version of Open Office (or at least it was 2 years ago).</p><p>I'm a "Mac guy" and a usability expert (or at least that's how I make my paycheck), and as much as Microsoft misses the mark on good UI, Office2007 is no worse than previous attempts. There are actually usability improvements (albeit ones that stem from previous Microsoft-ian user interface elements..as long as you are familiar with the "microsoft way", the 2007 improvements are good).</p><p>I've tried several times to find an OSX version of GIMP that only requires a single installer (that actually works). I'd like to give it a try, but unless I can download an installer and double click it and be good-to-go, it's not worth my time, no matter how free or good it is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Flamebait ?
Really ? You make an excellent point .
I 've tried Open Office and it is n't good enough to be worth the hassle .
It 's actually easier to find an Office torrent than it is to install a legit version of Open Office ( or at least it was 2 years ago ) .I 'm a " Mac guy " and a usability expert ( or at least that 's how I make my paycheck ) , and as much as Microsoft misses the mark on good UI , Office2007 is no worse than previous attempts .
There are actually usability improvements ( albeit ones that stem from previous Microsoft-ian user interface elements..as long as you are familiar with the " microsoft way " , the 2007 improvements are good ) .I 've tried several times to find an OSX version of GIMP that only requires a single installer ( that actually works ) .
I 'd like to give it a try , but unless I can download an installer and double click it and be good-to-go , it 's not worth my time , no matter how free or good it is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Flamebait?
Really?  You make an excellent point.
I've tried Open Office and it isn't good enough to be worth the hassle.
It's actually easier to find an Office torrent than it is to install a legit version of Open Office (or at least it was 2 years ago).I'm a "Mac guy" and a usability expert (or at least that's how I make my paycheck), and as much as Microsoft misses the mark on good UI, Office2007 is no worse than previous attempts.
There are actually usability improvements (albeit ones that stem from previous Microsoft-ian user interface elements..as long as you are familiar with the "microsoft way", the 2007 improvements are good).I've tried several times to find an OSX version of GIMP that only requires a single installer (that actually works).
I'd like to give it a try, but unless I can download an installer and double click it and be good-to-go, it's not worth my time, no matter how free or good it is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592602</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259851620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Takes a long fucking time to open OO. I mean a LONG time."<br>
unless you compare it to the full Microsoft office on the same machine it is not really a fair comparison.<br>
<br>
"I select all the fields and go to resize them all with a single click but--nothing happens. WTF? I try again. Nothing. I look on the menu bar quickly--nothing. WTF?"<br>
OO does not duplicate all the functionality and gui of MS Office, it is a slight learning experience as it is a different product. But i for one have had more "wow, this such a better and more intuitive way of doing things" then "where have they put that" moments using OO.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Takes a long fucking time to open OO .
I mean a LONG time .
" unless you compare it to the full Microsoft office on the same machine it is not really a fair comparison .
" I select all the fields and go to resize them all with a single click but--nothing happens .
WTF ? I try again .
Nothing. I look on the menu bar quickly--nothing .
WTF ? " OO does not duplicate all the functionality and gui of MS Office , it is a slight learning experience as it is a different product .
But i for one have had more " wow , this such a better and more intuitive way of doing things " then " where have they put that " moments using OO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Takes a long fucking time to open OO.
I mean a LONG time.
"
unless you compare it to the full Microsoft office on the same machine it is not really a fair comparison.
"I select all the fields and go to resize them all with a single click but--nothing happens.
WTF? I try again.
Nothing. I look on the menu bar quickly--nothing.
WTF?"
OO does not duplicate all the functionality and gui of MS Office, it is a slight learning experience as it is a different product.
But i for one have had more "wow, this such a better and more intuitive way of doing things" then "where have they put that" moments using OO.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593110</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259854440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can't be a very competent <b>review</b> with that kind of language.</p></div><p><div class="quote"><p>Yeah, exactly. George Carlin was the world's most incompetent <b>comedian.</b></p> </div><p>Are you trying to say that reviewing stuff is exactly the same as being a comedian?  If so, I think you're completely wrong.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't be a very competent review with that kind of language.Yeah , exactly .
George Carlin was the world 's most incompetent comedian .
Are you trying to say that reviewing stuff is exactly the same as being a comedian ?
If so , I think you 're completely wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't be a very competent review with that kind of language.Yeah, exactly.
George Carlin was the world's most incompetent comedian.
Are you trying to say that reviewing stuff is exactly the same as being a comedian?
If so, I think you're completely wrong.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593754</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>temcat</author>
	<datestamp>1259857020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try Softmaker Office 2008, it can be downloaded free of charge before December 31. Maybe you'll like it better than Works. It has better overall Office compatibility than OOo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try Softmaker Office 2008 , it can be downloaded free of charge before December 31 .
Maybe you 'll like it better than Works .
It has better overall Office compatibility than OOo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try Softmaker Office 2008, it can be downloaded free of charge before December 31.
Maybe you'll like it better than Works.
It has better overall Office compatibility than OOo.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30596050</id>
	<title>Re:I use it because...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259864160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So try SoftMaker Office for Windows or Linux which is free for two more days. See www.loadandhelp.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So try SoftMaker Office for Windows or Linux which is free for two more days .
See www.loadandhelp.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So try SoftMaker Office for Windows or Linux which is free for two more days.
See www.loadandhelp.com</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30600308</id>
	<title>Re:Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.</title>
	<author>waa</author>
	<datestamp>1259839500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>That, and it's got native Mac, <b>PC</b>, and Ubuntu versions.</i> <br> <br>Windows != "PC"<br>
<br>
Not trying to be a dick, but I have been correcting MAC users for years (even way back when I was running OS/2) when they refer to every machine running Windows as a "PC" without realizing that their MAC is also a <b>P</b>ersonal <b>C</b>omputer.<br> <br>P.S. I also find myself explaining to Windows users that I too run a PC, but my PC runs a different operating system.... Then their eyes gloss over. lol</htmltext>
<tokenext>That , and it 's got native Mac , PC , and Ubuntu versions .
Windows ! = " PC " Not trying to be a dick , but I have been correcting MAC users for years ( even way back when I was running OS/2 ) when they refer to every machine running Windows as a " PC " without realizing that their MAC is also a Personal Computer .
P.S. I also find myself explaining to Windows users that I too run a PC , but my PC runs a different operating system.... Then their eyes gloss over .
lol</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That, and it's got native Mac, PC, and Ubuntu versions.
Windows != "PC"

Not trying to be a dick, but I have been correcting MAC users for years (even way back when I was running OS/2) when they refer to every machine running Windows as a "PC" without realizing that their MAC is also a Personal Computer.
P.S. I also find myself explaining to Windows users that I too run a PC, but my PC runs a different operating system.... Then their eyes gloss over.
lol</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30597530</id>
	<title>Re:I use it because...</title>
	<author>Maxo-Texas</author>
	<datestamp>1259869620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since, I had to do this recently to share some D&amp;D documents with my players, I can say that it took us 37 minutes to find, download, and install Openoffice.  My player who had never used Openoffice was using it the same day.</p><p>On the other hand my work installed Word 2007, it hung while printing many of my 2003 documents, and it took me about 5 months to fully recover my productivity.</p><p>I don't want to pay for an upgrade and I don't want my data accidentally locked away from me because microsoft forgot to update a certificate or decided my software is no longer supported.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since , I had to do this recently to share some D&amp;D documents with my players , I can say that it took us 37 minutes to find , download , and install Openoffice .
My player who had never used Openoffice was using it the same day.On the other hand my work installed Word 2007 , it hung while printing many of my 2003 documents , and it took me about 5 months to fully recover my productivity.I do n't want to pay for an upgrade and I do n't want my data accidentally locked away from me because microsoft forgot to update a certificate or decided my software is no longer supported .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since, I had to do this recently to share some D&amp;D documents with my players, I can say that it took us 37 minutes to find, download, and install Openoffice.
My player who had never used Openoffice was using it the same day.On the other hand my work installed Word 2007, it hung while printing many of my 2003 documents, and it took me about 5 months to fully recover my productivity.I don't want to pay for an upgrade and I don't want my data accidentally locked away from me because microsoft forgot to update a certificate or decided my software is no longer supported.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593846</id>
	<title>Needs programming support</title>
	<author>chrysrobyn</author>
	<datestamp>1259857320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OpenOffice needs better programming support.  The stuff people do with Visual Basic and all the scripting crap should be completely transparent in OpenOffice.  It could be so much easier than it is for Microsoft, but it isn't.  A compatibility mode where scripts from Office run would be nice (but I haven't found it yet), but an environment where scripts can be better integrated, perhaps with a better Perl API than currently exists.</p><p>Personally, there's one thing that I've needed OpenOffice to do that it can't, and that's export proper<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.xls files.  As long as I can run OOO and my coworkers can't tell what I'm using when I export them files, it's all gravy.  But when the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.xls file isn't opened by Excel properly, that's a no go.  I've gotten fed up with each version that can't do it.  My simple test: on one tab, put a value in two cells.  On another tab, have a cell equal the sum of the other two cells on the other tab.  Export to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.xls.  Open in Office (OOO can read this just fine), and shake fist in anger.  It's been 2 years since I've even tried this, so hopefully it's fixed, but last I checked the Excel would come up with the equation in the second cell, but the value was #ERR or something until I highlighed the cell, put the cursor in the equation and pressed "enter".  A good QA team would have caught this, but alas, that's a weakness of most open source products.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenOffice needs better programming support .
The stuff people do with Visual Basic and all the scripting crap should be completely transparent in OpenOffice .
It could be so much easier than it is for Microsoft , but it is n't .
A compatibility mode where scripts from Office run would be nice ( but I have n't found it yet ) , but an environment where scripts can be better integrated , perhaps with a better Perl API than currently exists.Personally , there 's one thing that I 've needed OpenOffice to do that it ca n't , and that 's export proper .xls files .
As long as I can run OOO and my coworkers ca n't tell what I 'm using when I export them files , it 's all gravy .
But when the .xls file is n't opened by Excel properly , that 's a no go .
I 've gotten fed up with each version that ca n't do it .
My simple test : on one tab , put a value in two cells .
On another tab , have a cell equal the sum of the other two cells on the other tab .
Export to .xls .
Open in Office ( OOO can read this just fine ) , and shake fist in anger .
It 's been 2 years since I 've even tried this , so hopefully it 's fixed , but last I checked the Excel would come up with the equation in the second cell , but the value was # ERR or something until I highlighed the cell , put the cursor in the equation and pressed " enter " .
A good QA team would have caught this , but alas , that 's a weakness of most open source products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenOffice needs better programming support.
The stuff people do with Visual Basic and all the scripting crap should be completely transparent in OpenOffice.
It could be so much easier than it is for Microsoft, but it isn't.
A compatibility mode where scripts from Office run would be nice (but I haven't found it yet), but an environment where scripts can be better integrated, perhaps with a better Perl API than currently exists.Personally, there's one thing that I've needed OpenOffice to do that it can't, and that's export proper .xls files.
As long as I can run OOO and my coworkers can't tell what I'm using when I export them files, it's all gravy.
But when the .xls file isn't opened by Excel properly, that's a no go.
I've gotten fed up with each version that can't do it.
My simple test: on one tab, put a value in two cells.
On another tab, have a cell equal the sum of the other two cells on the other tab.
Export to .xls.
Open in Office (OOO can read this just fine), and shake fist in anger.
It's been 2 years since I've even tried this, so hopefully it's fixed, but last I checked the Excel would come up with the equation in the second cell, but the value was #ERR or something until I highlighed the cell, put the cursor in the equation and pressed "enter".
A good QA team would have caught this, but alas, that's a weakness of most open source products.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594378</id>
	<title>"Compete"...</title>
	<author>Vryl</author>
	<datestamp>1259859060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...will be about keeping prices up.</p><p>One suspects that there is gaining heat in the market about using oo.o as leverage to get a better deal from m$.</p><p>Oo.o is pretty good tech.  It looks like a word processor, and a spreadsheet, and a powerpoint... just might fool someone in upper management during some presentation put together by the lads in IT.  Coupled with a business case, might just be enough to put 'downwards pressure' on the ol' monopolists pricing model...</p><p>I hadn't used it since 2.0 days, but recently switched to ubuntu for my home lappy.  Has dealt with everything I have thrown at it so far, which is good - long doc's and large financial spreadsheets (nothing with macro's tho), and a LOT of powerpoint.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...will be about keeping prices up.One suspects that there is gaining heat in the market about using oo.o as leverage to get a better deal from m $ .Oo.o is pretty good tech .
It looks like a word processor , and a spreadsheet , and a powerpoint... just might fool someone in upper management during some presentation put together by the lads in IT .
Coupled with a business case , might just be enough to put 'downwards pressure ' on the ol ' monopolists pricing model...I had n't used it since 2.0 days , but recently switched to ubuntu for my home lappy .
Has dealt with everything I have thrown at it so far , which is good - long doc 's and large financial spreadsheets ( nothing with macro 's tho ) , and a LOT of powerpoint .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...will be about keeping prices up.One suspects that there is gaining heat in the market about using oo.o as leverage to get a better deal from m$.Oo.o is pretty good tech.
It looks like a word processor, and a spreadsheet, and a powerpoint... just might fool someone in upper management during some presentation put together by the lads in IT.
Coupled with a business case, might just be enough to put 'downwards pressure' on the ol' monopolists pricing model...I hadn't used it since 2.0 days, but recently switched to ubuntu for my home lappy.
Has dealt with everything I have thrown at it so far, which is good - long doc's and large financial spreadsheets (nothing with macro's tho), and a LOT of powerpoint.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30596732</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>nxtw</author>
	<datestamp>1259866380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> You installed OO on a machine that wouldn't even run Office</p></div></blockquote><p>Netbooks will run MS Office just fine.  I use Office 2007 on mine.  Many systems from 2003 (when Office 2003 was released) were often as slow as today's netbooks.</p><p>Office 2007 has the ability to temporarily hide the Ribbon by double clicking on one of the tabs (similar to Eclipse or NetBeans).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You installed OO on a machine that would n't even run OfficeNetbooks will run MS Office just fine .
I use Office 2007 on mine .
Many systems from 2003 ( when Office 2003 was released ) were often as slow as today 's netbooks.Office 2007 has the ability to temporarily hide the Ribbon by double clicking on one of the tabs ( similar to Eclipse or NetBeans ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> You installed OO on a machine that wouldn't even run OfficeNetbooks will run MS Office just fine.
I use Office 2007 on mine.
Many systems from 2003 (when Office 2003 was released) were often as slow as today's netbooks.Office 2007 has the ability to temporarily hide the Ribbon by double clicking on one of the tabs (similar to Eclipse or NetBeans).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593994</id>
	<title>This engaging business .......</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1259857860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if i was 'engaged' at any point by steve ballmer, i would run for it. the guy scares the living daylights out of me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if i was 'engaged ' at any point by steve ballmer , i would run for it .
the guy scares the living daylights out of me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if i was 'engaged' at any point by steve ballmer, i would run for it.
the guy scares the living daylights out of me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30596074</id>
	<title>Some competitor!</title>
	<author>Corson</author>
	<datestamp>1259864220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unfortunately, like many other open-source projects (e.g., The GIMP), OO is an example of how developers refuse to connect with the end-users. Suffices to mention the cumbersome process of inserting a page number in a SWriter document: Insert footer + Right justify + Insert field + Select "Page number".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , like many other open-source projects ( e.g. , The GIMP ) , OO is an example of how developers refuse to connect with the end-users .
Suffices to mention the cumbersome process of inserting a page number in a SWriter document : Insert footer + Right justify + Insert field + Select " Page number " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, like many other open-source projects (e.g., The GIMP), OO is an example of how developers refuse to connect with the end-users.
Suffices to mention the cumbersome process of inserting a page number in a SWriter document: Insert footer + Right justify + Insert field + Select "Page number".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592546</id>
	<title>What doesn't MS consider as a threat?</title>
	<author>je ne sais quoi</author>
	<datestamp>1259851140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Show me something that MS doesn't consider a threat.  I mean really, MS' goal has always been dominance of the market for their products, never accepting something less unless forced.  A corporation (or person for that matter) in that position must always see everything as a threat.  As evidence I offer that they continually push their OS monopoly to help their other products sometimes doing so in an illegal manner so as to shut out competitors rather than compete on the merit of their own products.  Sometimes it works, like using the xbox to run directX (which anyone would do in their place, it only makes sense) or for web browsing, other times it doesn't, like for the Zune where their OS monopoly couldn't help them very much.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Show me something that MS does n't consider a threat .
I mean really , MS ' goal has always been dominance of the market for their products , never accepting something less unless forced .
A corporation ( or person for that matter ) in that position must always see everything as a threat .
As evidence I offer that they continually push their OS monopoly to help their other products sometimes doing so in an illegal manner so as to shut out competitors rather than compete on the merit of their own products .
Sometimes it works , like using the xbox to run directX ( which anyone would do in their place , it only makes sense ) or for web browsing , other times it does n't , like for the Zune where their OS monopoly could n't help them very much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Show me something that MS doesn't consider a threat.
I mean really, MS' goal has always been dominance of the market for their products, never accepting something less unless forced.
A corporation (or person for that matter) in that position must always see everything as a threat.
As evidence I offer that they continually push their OS monopoly to help their other products sometimes doing so in an illegal manner so as to shut out competitors rather than compete on the merit of their own products.
Sometimes it works, like using the xbox to run directX (which anyone would do in their place, it only makes sense) or for web browsing, other times it doesn't, like for the Zune where their OS monopoly couldn't help them very much.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592802</id>
	<title>13 out of 90000+?</title>
	<author>freak</author>
	<datestamp>1259852940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So out of 93000 employees, they have 13 dedicated to looking at OpenOffice and Linux?  Yeah, sounds to me like they are covering their bases more than anything else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So out of 93000 employees , they have 13 dedicated to looking at OpenOffice and Linux ?
Yeah , sounds to me like they are covering their bases more than anything else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So out of 93000 employees, they have 13 dedicated to looking at OpenOffice and Linux?
Yeah, sounds to me like they are covering their bases more than anything else.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30595196</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>baptiste</author>
	<datestamp>1259861640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Did you check to see if it was opened 'Read-Only'? Sounds like it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you check to see if it was opened 'Read-Only ' ?
Sounds like it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you check to see if it was opened 'Read-Only'?
Sounds like it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592454</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594552</id>
	<title>Re:Excel doesn't even do CSV correctly...</title>
	<author>Ken D</author>
	<datestamp>1259859540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is your data is ambiguous.<br>To get the behavior you want you should have quotes around text fields, or you need to use a decent program like OO that provides you a dialog when you open this file where you can choose the column data type.<br>The fact that the programs heuristically "guess" what the field contains based upon its contents will not save you from ambiguous data.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is your data is ambiguous.To get the behavior you want you should have quotes around text fields , or you need to use a decent program like OO that provides you a dialog when you open this file where you can choose the column data type.The fact that the programs heuristically " guess " what the field contains based upon its contents will not save you from ambiguous data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is your data is ambiguous.To get the behavior you want you should have quotes around text fields, or you need to use a decent program like OO that provides you a dialog when you open this file where you can choose the column data type.The fact that the programs heuristically "guess" what the field contains based upon its contents will not save you from ambiguous data.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592988</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592632</id>
	<title>Whats so wrong with 'engaging' ?</title>
	<author>((hristopher \_-*-\_-*</author>
	<datestamp>1259851800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Which suggests that Microsoft's new-found eagerness to 'engage' with open source has nothing to do with a real desire to reach a pacific accommodation with free software, but is simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up, and armed with inside knowledge."</i></p><p>Newfound eagerness to 'engage'?</p><p>Seriously, has everyone who writes posts about Microsoft been living under a rock for the last 5 years?</p><p>As far as this competing role goes... &ldquo;Know thine enemy better than one knows thyself&rdquo; -Sun Tzu</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which suggests that Microsoft 's new-found eagerness to 'engage ' with open source has nothing to do with a real desire to reach a pacific accommodation with free software , but is simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up , and armed with inside knowledge .
" Newfound eagerness to 'engage ' ? Seriously , has everyone who writes posts about Microsoft been living under a rock for the last 5 years ? As far as this competing role goes...    Know thine enemy better than one knows thyself    -Sun Tzu</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Which suggests that Microsoft's new-found eagerness to 'engage' with open source has nothing to do with a real desire to reach a pacific accommodation with free software, but is simply a way for Microsoft to fight against it from close up, and armed with inside knowledge.
"Newfound eagerness to 'engage'?Seriously, has everyone who writes posts about Microsoft been living under a rock for the last 5 years?As far as this competing role goes... “Know thine enemy better than one knows thyself” -Sun Tzu</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30600488</id>
	<title>Re:Your logic is flawed.</title>
	<author>jrothwell97</author>
	<datestamp>1259840520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They'll try, but eventually their software will plateau and stabilize into an Office suite that has all of the features anybody would ever want.</p></div><p>This is a very flawed way of thinking, because it fails to take into account the fact that expectations change. User requirements will change, as will operating environments, user expectations, communications protocols, hardware standards, standard formats, user interface standards, etc. etc.</p><p>In essence, you're wrong because as far as software goes, anything that plateaus and stands still will stagnate&mdash;and Microsoft are smart enough <em>not</em> to let that happen.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 'll try , but eventually their software will plateau and stabilize into an Office suite that has all of the features anybody would ever want.This is a very flawed way of thinking , because it fails to take into account the fact that expectations change .
User requirements will change , as will operating environments , user expectations , communications protocols , hardware standards , standard formats , user interface standards , etc .
etc.In essence , you 're wrong because as far as software goes , anything that plateaus and stands still will stagnate    and Microsoft are smart enough not to let that happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They'll try, but eventually their software will plateau and stabilize into an Office suite that has all of the features anybody would ever want.This is a very flawed way of thinking, because it fails to take into account the fact that expectations change.
User requirements will change, as will operating environments, user expectations, communications protocols, hardware standards, standard formats, user interface standards, etc.
etc.In essence, you're wrong because as far as software goes, anything that plateaus and stands still will stagnate—and Microsoft are smart enough not to let that happen.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594460</id>
	<title>Do we really need Office for macros, vb and stuff</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1259859300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>or rather, do we really need to perform complex operations on text based documents containing thousands of lines (or cells) of data ?</p><p>we are living in the tech era, we have databases on intranet and online, we have software which is able to manage them. yet, there are still 'power users' who are managing data through csvs by running 'complex macros' on them ?</p><p>well excuse me, but this sounds a very shitty way of dealing with big data. especially if the data is sensitive, i wouldnt want my sensitive data to be handled by someone's own work pc running some office program with some 'complex' macros. if they manage sensitive, or huge data, they should create a proper database/client setup and run it. not text based files saved on someone's pc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>or rather , do we really need to perform complex operations on text based documents containing thousands of lines ( or cells ) of data ? we are living in the tech era , we have databases on intranet and online , we have software which is able to manage them .
yet , there are still 'power users ' who are managing data through csvs by running 'complex macros ' on them ? well excuse me , but this sounds a very shitty way of dealing with big data .
especially if the data is sensitive , i wouldnt want my sensitive data to be handled by someone 's own work pc running some office program with some 'complex ' macros .
if they manage sensitive , or huge data , they should create a proper database/client setup and run it .
not text based files saved on someone 's pc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or rather, do we really need to perform complex operations on text based documents containing thousands of lines (or cells) of data ?we are living in the tech era, we have databases on intranet and online, we have software which is able to manage them.
yet, there are still 'power users' who are managing data through csvs by running 'complex macros' on them ?well excuse me, but this sounds a very shitty way of dealing with big data.
especially if the data is sensitive, i wouldnt want my sensitive data to be handled by someone's own work pc running some office program with some 'complex' macros.
if they manage sensitive, or huge data, they should create a proper database/client setup and run it.
not text based files saved on someone's pc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592780</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259852820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can't be a very competent review with that kind of language.</p></div><p>Yeah, exactly. George Carlin was the world's most incompetent comedian.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't be a very competent review with that kind of language.Yeah , exactly .
George Carlin was the world 's most incompetent comedian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't be a very competent review with that kind of language.Yeah, exactly.
George Carlin was the world's most incompetent comedian.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593162</id>
	<title>Are you kidding?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259854740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"...has nothing to do with a real desire to reach a pacific accommodation with free software..."</p><p>DUH! How could this be more obvious?!</p><p>Why is Microsoft demonized for operating a business in a matter that tends towards profit? ANY company will try to "beat" their competitor. It might not mean making them go out of business, but it will surely mean competing. Any marketer will tell you that competition is battle--it's not a passive (pacific) thing.</p><p>Were people really expecting Microsoft to start just releasing a FOSS version of Office or contributing to Open Office?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...has nothing to do with a real desire to reach a pacific accommodation with free software... " DUH !
How could this be more obvious ?
! Why is Microsoft demonized for operating a business in a matter that tends towards profit ?
ANY company will try to " beat " their competitor .
It might not mean making them go out of business , but it will surely mean competing .
Any marketer will tell you that competition is battle--it 's not a passive ( pacific ) thing.Were people really expecting Microsoft to start just releasing a FOSS version of Office or contributing to Open Office ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...has nothing to do with a real desire to reach a pacific accommodation with free software..."DUH!
How could this be more obvious?
!Why is Microsoft demonized for operating a business in a matter that tends towards profit?
ANY company will try to "beat" their competitor.
It might not mean making them go out of business, but it will surely mean competing.
Any marketer will tell you that competition is battle--it's not a passive (pacific) thing.Were people really expecting Microsoft to start just releasing a FOSS version of Office or contributing to Open Office?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30596808</id>
	<title>Lotus Symphony might bite your ass</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259866680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did use Lotus Symphony for work for about a year but sadly had to ditch it due to its bugs and compatibility issues - collaboration with OpenOffice and Lotus Symphony<br>, documents went terrible messed up. There are great ideas behind Lotus Symphony but it seems to be based on old outdated OpenOffice code, this might make you very dissapointed, or, maybe it depends on what you put in your documents.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did use Lotus Symphony for work for about a year but sadly had to ditch it due to its bugs and compatibility issues - collaboration with OpenOffice and Lotus Symphony , documents went terrible messed up .
There are great ideas behind Lotus Symphony but it seems to be based on old outdated OpenOffice code , this might make you very dissapointed , or , maybe it depends on what you put in your documents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did use Lotus Symphony for work for about a year but sadly had to ditch it due to its bugs and compatibility issues - collaboration with OpenOffice and Lotus Symphony, documents went terrible messed up.
There are great ideas behind Lotus Symphony but it seems to be based on old outdated OpenOffice code, this might make you very dissapointed, or, maybe it depends on what you put in your documents.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30598138</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Maxo-Texas</author>
	<datestamp>1259871900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Okay...<br>So I loaded a simple file into calc and word 2007 excel.</p><p>15 seconds calc<br>8 seconds excel</p><p>I resized the cells by clicking and dragging my mouse across 4 columns and then drug the right most edge over and all cells resized equally.</p><p>I resized the cells by clicking and dragging my mouse across 4 columns, selected column width from the format menu and set them all to 1".</p><p>Next, I entered a long text box and then double clicked on the columns right border.  It autosized as expected.</p><p>I agree, this is B A S I C functionality and it works for me EXACTLY the same as it does in excel.  Are you sure you were using OO 3.1?  I'm using OO from Portable Apps.  It's awesome.  It runs without installation off a thumb drive (but I copy it to the hard drive to speed it up).</p><p>Next, I opened a 11 sheet document with many formulas.  Each sheet had 365 rows of date related data.<br>Load time Openoffice, 2 seconds.<br>Load time Excel, 2 seconds.<br>All formalas the same in both documents.  Even the sheet cross references.</p><p>It is likely that your performance issue is the time to get the application off the hard drive.  Excel is partially preloaded and openoffice is not (there is an option to do so but then it consumes memory... as Excel probably does).  Also, ever since at least office 95, microsoft has used unapproved API's to speed up their performance (re: "Certified Word 95" vs "Corel Office"- microsoft really screwed them over).  Also, microsoft has a history of putting parts of their applications *in* the operating system.  Which saves load time.  And I suppose that's their right.</p><p>Reasonable price for excel and word - about $99 for private use-- $300ish for business use (few pay rack rate).<br>Reasonable price for calc and writer - about $0 for private or business use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay...So I loaded a simple file into calc and word 2007 excel.15 seconds calc8 seconds excelI resized the cells by clicking and dragging my mouse across 4 columns and then drug the right most edge over and all cells resized equally.I resized the cells by clicking and dragging my mouse across 4 columns , selected column width from the format menu and set them all to 1 " .Next , I entered a long text box and then double clicked on the columns right border .
It autosized as expected.I agree , this is B A S I C functionality and it works for me EXACTLY the same as it does in excel .
Are you sure you were using OO 3.1 ?
I 'm using OO from Portable Apps .
It 's awesome .
It runs without installation off a thumb drive ( but I copy it to the hard drive to speed it up ) .Next , I opened a 11 sheet document with many formulas .
Each sheet had 365 rows of date related data.Load time Openoffice , 2 seconds.Load time Excel , 2 seconds.All formalas the same in both documents .
Even the sheet cross references.It is likely that your performance issue is the time to get the application off the hard drive .
Excel is partially preloaded and openoffice is not ( there is an option to do so but then it consumes memory... as Excel probably does ) .
Also , ever since at least office 95 , microsoft has used unapproved API 's to speed up their performance ( re : " Certified Word 95 " vs " Corel Office " - microsoft really screwed them over ) .
Also , microsoft has a history of putting parts of their applications * in * the operating system .
Which saves load time .
And I suppose that 's their right.Reasonable price for excel and word - about $ 99 for private use-- $ 300ish for business use ( few pay rack rate ) .Reasonable price for calc and writer - about $ 0 for private or business use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay...So I loaded a simple file into calc and word 2007 excel.15 seconds calc8 seconds excelI resized the cells by clicking and dragging my mouse across 4 columns and then drug the right most edge over and all cells resized equally.I resized the cells by clicking and dragging my mouse across 4 columns, selected column width from the format menu and set them all to 1".Next, I entered a long text box and then double clicked on the columns right border.
It autosized as expected.I agree, this is B A S I C functionality and it works for me EXACTLY the same as it does in excel.
Are you sure you were using OO 3.1?
I'm using OO from Portable Apps.
It's awesome.
It runs without installation off a thumb drive (but I copy it to the hard drive to speed it up).Next, I opened a 11 sheet document with many formulas.
Each sheet had 365 rows of date related data.Load time Openoffice, 2 seconds.Load time Excel, 2 seconds.All formalas the same in both documents.
Even the sheet cross references.It is likely that your performance issue is the time to get the application off the hard drive.
Excel is partially preloaded and openoffice is not (there is an option to do so but then it consumes memory... as Excel probably does).
Also, ever since at least office 95, microsoft has used unapproved API's to speed up their performance (re: "Certified Word 95" vs "Corel Office"- microsoft really screwed them over).
Also, microsoft has a history of putting parts of their applications *in* the operating system.
Which saves load time.
And I suppose that's their right.Reasonable price for excel and word - about $99 for private use-- $300ish for business use (few pay rack rate).Reasonable price for calc and writer - about $0 for private or business use.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30595382</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Petersko</author>
	<datestamp>1259862180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Trying it in Excel right now, with long lines of mixed data.<br> <br>

Pasted csv data into cell A1... Data strip-&gt;Text to columns... specify delimited with comma... preview looks good... one column should be date format in the cell - adjusted... "Finish" - Done.<br> <br>

Instead of using the wizard, let's try opening it with the good old double-click... hey, what do you know? Even formatted the date automatically.<br> <br>

If you're having problems getting your CSV to work in Excel it's either because you don't know how to use Excel or you've got a malformed CSV.<br> <br>

Post your sample CSV data that Excel can't figure out and prove me wrong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Trying it in Excel right now , with long lines of mixed data .
Pasted csv data into cell A1... Data strip- &gt; Text to columns... specify delimited with comma... preview looks good... one column should be date format in the cell - adjusted... " Finish " - Done .
Instead of using the wizard , let 's try opening it with the good old double-click... hey , what do you know ?
Even formatted the date automatically .
If you 're having problems getting your CSV to work in Excel it 's either because you do n't know how to use Excel or you 've got a malformed CSV .
Post your sample CSV data that Excel ca n't figure out and prove me wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Trying it in Excel right now, with long lines of mixed data.
Pasted csv data into cell A1... Data strip-&gt;Text to columns... specify delimited with comma... preview looks good... one column should be date format in the cell - adjusted... "Finish" - Done.
Instead of using the wizard, let's try opening it with the good old double-click... hey, what do you know?
Even formatted the date automatically.
If you're having problems getting your CSV to work in Excel it's either because you don't know how to use Excel or you've got a malformed CSV.
Post your sample CSV data that Excel can't figure out and prove me wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30596968</id>
	<title>Re:Frist posat</title>
	<author>kenshin33</author>
	<datestamp>1259867340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Many commercial companies will ethically compete with each other.</p>  </div><p>Strike down the antitrust law and see what happens.  Corporate entities as we know them are by definition free market enemies. With one and only rule, the end justifies the mean. the en being profit++.  The mean, anything goes.
<br>
You can take any member of any corporation as an individual, a good chance he's a man (human being) of ethics and principles, but as a group that corporation has one goal; profit.
<a href="http://www.thecorporation.com/" title="thecorporation.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecorporation.com/</a> [thecorporation.com] is a good source.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Many commercial companies will ethically compete with each other .
Strike down the antitrust law and see what happens .
Corporate entities as we know them are by definition free market enemies .
With one and only rule , the end justifies the mean .
the en being profit + + .
The mean , anything goes .
You can take any member of any corporation as an individual , a good chance he 's a man ( human being ) of ethics and principles , but as a group that corporation has one goal ; profit .
http : //www.thecorporation.com/ [ thecorporation.com ] is a good source .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many commercial companies will ethically compete with each other.
Strike down the antitrust law and see what happens.
Corporate entities as we know them are by definition free market enemies.
With one and only rule, the end justifies the mean.
the en being profit++.
The mean, anything goes.
You can take any member of any corporation as an individual, a good chance he's a man (human being) of ethics and principles, but as a group that corporation has one goal; profit.
http://www.thecorporation.com/ [thecorporation.com] is a good source.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592578</id>
	<title>amen</title>
	<author>Agent Whim</author>
	<datestamp>1259851440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The iPhone is the way, the truth, and the life. No one can call the Father except through the holy handset.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The iPhone is the way , the truth , and the life .
No one can call the Father except through the holy handset .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The iPhone is the way, the truth, and the life.
No one can call the Father except through the holy handset.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594518</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1259859480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I develope a plugin that runs in Outlook.</p><p>On a daily basis I run Office 2000, XP, 2003, 2007 and 2010.</p><p>I don't really care which one you pick, or what kind of machine or what installation options you picked, OO.org takes longer to do pretty much everything.</p><p>If you don't realize this, you shouldn't be making comments comparing or contrasting OO.org and MS Office as you've obviously not got the experience to do so.</p><p>OO.org doesn't do basic things that the OS controls due out of the box without any changes.  Why is it everyone thinks they need to write their own fucking toolkit?  USE THE OS CONTROLS!  I realize Linux doesn't have any OS provided GUI controls and multiple toolkits.  Thats great, good for Linux.  But for the rest of the world that wants software that does what they expect rather than to circle jerk each other about how 'free' it is, then it sucks ass.</p><p>If your product doesn't memic the basic controls of the OS because you felt you had to go redesign everything yourself, you've not only made a POS software package, you've broken rule number 1 in GUI design, which is to do what the user EXPECTS without requiring 'education' about how to use the product.</p><p>For something like an Office product, if your everyday user needs to read a help file or gets confused about the way something works, you fucked up your GUI.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I develope a plugin that runs in Outlook.On a daily basis I run Office 2000 , XP , 2003 , 2007 and 2010.I do n't really care which one you pick , or what kind of machine or what installation options you picked , OO.org takes longer to do pretty much everything.If you do n't realize this , you should n't be making comments comparing or contrasting OO.org and MS Office as you 've obviously not got the experience to do so.OO.org does n't do basic things that the OS controls due out of the box without any changes .
Why is it everyone thinks they need to write their own fucking toolkit ?
USE THE OS CONTROLS !
I realize Linux does n't have any OS provided GUI controls and multiple toolkits .
Thats great , good for Linux .
But for the rest of the world that wants software that does what they expect rather than to circle jerk each other about how 'free ' it is , then it sucks ass.If your product does n't memic the basic controls of the OS because you felt you had to go redesign everything yourself , you 've not only made a POS software package , you 've broken rule number 1 in GUI design , which is to do what the user EXPECTS without requiring 'education ' about how to use the product.For something like an Office product , if your everyday user needs to read a help file or gets confused about the way something works , you fucked up your GUI .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I develope a plugin that runs in Outlook.On a daily basis I run Office 2000, XP, 2003, 2007 and 2010.I don't really care which one you pick, or what kind of machine or what installation options you picked, OO.org takes longer to do pretty much everything.If you don't realize this, you shouldn't be making comments comparing or contrasting OO.org and MS Office as you've obviously not got the experience to do so.OO.org doesn't do basic things that the OS controls due out of the box without any changes.
Why is it everyone thinks they need to write their own fucking toolkit?
USE THE OS CONTROLS!
I realize Linux doesn't have any OS provided GUI controls and multiple toolkits.
Thats great, good for Linux.
But for the rest of the world that wants software that does what they expect rather than to circle jerk each other about how 'free' it is, then it sucks ass.If your product doesn't memic the basic controls of the OS because you felt you had to go redesign everything yourself, you've not only made a POS software package, you've broken rule number 1 in GUI design, which is to do what the user EXPECTS without requiring 'education' about how to use the product.For something like an Office product, if your everyday user needs to read a help file or gets confused about the way something works, you fucked up your GUI.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30597420</id>
	<title>Re:I installed the latest OO, definitely not a thr</title>
	<author>Dr\_Barnowl</author>
	<datestamp>1259869080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It should be character-separated-values ; as usual, the Unix way of doing it is simplest - one field separator, one escape character, one line ending. Excel/MS-CSV messes around with quotes (instead of just escaping the special characters that occur in data), because the rules are more complex, implementations vary. Localised field separators... that doesn't surprise me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It should be character-separated-values ; as usual , the Unix way of doing it is simplest - one field separator , one escape character , one line ending .
Excel/MS-CSV messes around with quotes ( instead of just escaping the special characters that occur in data ) , because the rules are more complex , implementations vary .
Localised field separators... that does n't surprise me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It should be character-separated-values ; as usual, the Unix way of doing it is simplest - one field separator, one escape character, one line ending.
Excel/MS-CSV messes around with quotes (instead of just escaping the special characters that occur in data), because the rules are more complex, implementations vary.
Localised field separators... that doesn't surprise me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30594172</id>
	<title>Re:Excel doesn't even do CSV correctly...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259858460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I installed the latest version of OO.org on this computer (I didn't have any office suite installed) just to see.  In your very specific example, it imported fine.</p><p>In the import menu, I had to right click the last column (the ID number) and choose "Text" instead of "Standard" import.</p><p>Seems like it works fine, as it kept my numbers in-tact.  I don't think it's unrealistic for a computer to think that last column is supposed to be handled as number and not a data string.  What it did do, was set the cell data to '0023456789, which escapes the first zero so it is not represented as a number.</p><p>That said, I think it did the wrong think in terms of formatting that column after the import.  If I try to add another row, say the number 0123456789, it treats it like a number, not text.  I have to manually right click the column and change the formatting (again) to be text after I import the data if I want to add more data rows.</p><p>It saved it out fine, although it put quotes around all my data columns.  I had to change the filter settings to get it to save without the quotes.</p><p>It does work, if you put a little elbow grease into it, but it's not as intuitive as it could be.  Since none of the office suites seem to "get it right", it seems that most people are contempt with this behavior.</p><p>You could always try opening a bug report to OO.org and see if they'll fix these usability issues (which, to me at least, are somewhat valid).  Good luck trying to get MS to do the same with Excel (I don't know if Excel has the same problem).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I installed the latest version of OO.org on this computer ( I did n't have any office suite installed ) just to see .
In your very specific example , it imported fine.In the import menu , I had to right click the last column ( the ID number ) and choose " Text " instead of " Standard " import.Seems like it works fine , as it kept my numbers in-tact .
I do n't think it 's unrealistic for a computer to think that last column is supposed to be handled as number and not a data string .
What it did do , was set the cell data to '0023456789 , which escapes the first zero so it is not represented as a number.That said , I think it did the wrong think in terms of formatting that column after the import .
If I try to add another row , say the number 0123456789 , it treats it like a number , not text .
I have to manually right click the column and change the formatting ( again ) to be text after I import the data if I want to add more data rows.It saved it out fine , although it put quotes around all my data columns .
I had to change the filter settings to get it to save without the quotes.It does work , if you put a little elbow grease into it , but it 's not as intuitive as it could be .
Since none of the office suites seem to " get it right " , it seems that most people are contempt with this behavior.You could always try opening a bug report to OO.org and see if they 'll fix these usability issues ( which , to me at least , are somewhat valid ) .
Good luck trying to get MS to do the same with Excel ( I do n't know if Excel has the same problem ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I installed the latest version of OO.org on this computer (I didn't have any office suite installed) just to see.
In your very specific example, it imported fine.In the import menu, I had to right click the last column (the ID number) and choose "Text" instead of "Standard" import.Seems like it works fine, as it kept my numbers in-tact.
I don't think it's unrealistic for a computer to think that last column is supposed to be handled as number and not a data string.
What it did do, was set the cell data to '0023456789, which escapes the first zero so it is not represented as a number.That said, I think it did the wrong think in terms of formatting that column after the import.
If I try to add another row, say the number 0123456789, it treats it like a number, not text.
I have to manually right click the column and change the formatting (again) to be text after I import the data if I want to add more data rows.It saved it out fine, although it put quotes around all my data columns.
I had to change the filter settings to get it to save without the quotes.It does work, if you put a little elbow grease into it, but it's not as intuitive as it could be.
Since none of the office suites seem to "get it right", it seems that most people are contempt with this behavior.You could always try opening a bug report to OO.org and see if they'll fix these usability issues (which, to me at least, are somewhat valid).
Good luck trying to get MS to do the same with Excel (I don't know if Excel has the same problem).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593486</id>
	<title>Feel the hate</title>
	<author>bobmarleypeople</author>
	<datestamp>1259856000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At the company I work at, we only have a limited number of Microsoft Office licenses for those higher up in the company, and we don't have the money to buy more. All machines have OpenOffice.org on, and I can't spend an entire day at work without someone complaining that they hate OOo and want MS Office. Usually their reasons are unjustified (quote: "OpenOffice is just shit") but sometimes I get a serious reason (recently, it's rendering and creation of graphs and charts and the creation of complex formula) has been described as terrible.</p><p>So, in short, people hate OpenOffice.org whether they have justified reasons or not. Microsoft don't really need to worry, but if they lowered prices, those who deploy OpenOffice.org across the company may reconsider their options.</p><p>(also bringing back the pre-2007 menus as an option would be nice as I've had a huge number of complaints about that)</p></div>
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<tokenext>At the company I work at , we only have a limited number of Microsoft Office licenses for those higher up in the company , and we do n't have the money to buy more .
All machines have OpenOffice.org on , and I ca n't spend an entire day at work without someone complaining that they hate OOo and want MS Office .
Usually their reasons are unjustified ( quote : " OpenOffice is just shit " ) but sometimes I get a serious reason ( recently , it 's rendering and creation of graphs and charts and the creation of complex formula ) has been described as terrible.So , in short , people hate OpenOffice.org whether they have justified reasons or not .
Microsoft do n't really need to worry , but if they lowered prices , those who deploy OpenOffice.org across the company may reconsider their options .
( also bringing back the pre-2007 menus as an option would be nice as I 've had a huge number of complaints about that )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the company I work at, we only have a limited number of Microsoft Office licenses for those higher up in the company, and we don't have the money to buy more.
All machines have OpenOffice.org on, and I can't spend an entire day at work without someone complaining that they hate OOo and want MS Office.
Usually their reasons are unjustified (quote: "OpenOffice is just shit") but sometimes I get a serious reason (recently, it's rendering and creation of graphs and charts and the creation of complex formula) has been described as terrible.So, in short, people hate OpenOffice.org whether they have justified reasons or not.
Microsoft don't really need to worry, but if they lowered prices, those who deploy OpenOffice.org across the company may reconsider their options.
(also bringing back the pre-2007 menus as an option would be nice as I've had a huge number of complaints about that)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30593286</id>
	<title>OO is a Threat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259855340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We use OpenOffice in our business and it works just fine. Our users run the gamut from novice to expert.</p><p>Most of the complaints in this thread are primarily about aesthetics. We don't use MS Office for anything anymore. There is a copy installed on one of the machines, but it has not been used for a couple of years now.</p><p>Yes it is different from MS Office. Yes, there is a learning curve, just like MS Office. Yes, it will perform just as well as MS Office for the vast majority of users out there.</p><p>Is it a threat? You betcha.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We use OpenOffice in our business and it works just fine .
Our users run the gamut from novice to expert.Most of the complaints in this thread are primarily about aesthetics .
We do n't use MS Office for anything anymore .
There is a copy installed on one of the machines , but it has not been used for a couple of years now.Yes it is different from MS Office .
Yes , there is a learning curve , just like MS Office .
Yes , it will perform just as well as MS Office for the vast majority of users out there.Is it a threat ?
You betcha .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We use OpenOffice in our business and it works just fine.
Our users run the gamut from novice to expert.Most of the complaints in this thread are primarily about aesthetics.
We don't use MS Office for anything anymore.
There is a copy installed on one of the machines, but it has not been used for a couple of years now.Yes it is different from MS Office.
Yes, there is a learning curve, just like MS Office.
Yes, it will perform just as well as MS Office for the vast majority of users out there.Is it a threat?
You betcha.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592436</id>
	<title>Still using old Gnome office suite</title>
	<author>suso</author>
	<datestamp>1259849940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, I more prefer Abiword and Gnumeric over OO.o. They are quick and snappy and suit my needs.  Plus, Gnumeric is the backend to editgrid.com, which means that if I upload a spreadsheet there with graphs and stuff, it preserves it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I more prefer Abiword and Gnumeric over OO.o .
They are quick and snappy and suit my needs .
Plus , Gnumeric is the backend to editgrid.com , which means that if I upload a spreadsheet there with graphs and stuff , it preserves it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I more prefer Abiword and Gnumeric over OO.o.
They are quick and snappy and suit my needs.
Plus, Gnumeric is the backend to editgrid.com, which means that if I upload a spreadsheet there with graphs and stuff, it preserves it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0352211.30592958</id>
	<title>Everything's a threat when you have 100\% share</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1259853720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When you're at the very top, and your business model has come to depend on having 80\%+ of the market share, even a small competitor can be a real threat. Even if Openoffice were to capture just 10\% of the market, it would be a huge blow to Office's profits (and Office is one of MS's real cash cows, along with Windows). This isn't like IE and Firefox (MS doesn't make money off IE, it certainly does off Office).</htmltext>
<tokenext>When you 're at the very top , and your business model has come to depend on having 80 \ % + of the market share , even a small competitor can be a real threat .
Even if Openoffice were to capture just 10 \ % of the market , it would be a huge blow to Office 's profits ( and Office is one of MS 's real cash cows , along with Windows ) .
This is n't like IE and Firefox ( MS does n't make money off IE , it certainly does off Office ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you're at the very top, and your business model has come to depend on having 80\%+ of the market share, even a small competitor can be a real threat.
Even if Openoffice were to capture just 10\% of the market, it would be a huge blow to Office's profits (and Office is one of MS's real cash cows, along with Windows).
This isn't like IE and Firefox (MS doesn't make money off IE, it certainly does off Office).</sentencetext>
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