<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_27_0635254</id>
	<title>TSA Wants You To Keep Your Seat, and Your Hands In Sight</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1261942200000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader excerpts from an AP story as carried by Yahoo News about changes stemming from <a href="https://news.slashdot.org/story/09/12/26/1428206/Man-Tries-To-Use-Explosive-Device-On-US-Flight">yesterday's foiled bombing attempt</a> of a Northwest Airlines flight: <i>"Some airlines were telling passengers on Saturday that <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us\_airline\_attack\_regulations">new government security regulations prohibit them from leaving their seats</a> beginning an hour before landing. The regulations are a response to a suspected terrorism incident on Christmas Day. Air Canada said in a statement that new rules imposed by the Transportation Security Administration limit on-board activities by passengers and crew in US airspace. ... Flight attendants on some domestic flights are informing passengers of similar rules. Passengers on a flight from New York to Tampa Saturday morning were also told they must remain in their seats and couldn't have items in their laps, including laptops and pillows."</i> The TSA's <a href="http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm">list of prohibited items</a> doesn't seem to have changed in the last day, though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader excerpts from an AP story as carried by Yahoo News about changes stemming from yesterday 's foiled bombing attempt of a Northwest Airlines flight : " Some airlines were telling passengers on Saturday that new government security regulations prohibit them from leaving their seats beginning an hour before landing .
The regulations are a response to a suspected terrorism incident on Christmas Day .
Air Canada said in a statement that new rules imposed by the Transportation Security Administration limit on-board activities by passengers and crew in US airspace .
... Flight attendants on some domestic flights are informing passengers of similar rules .
Passengers on a flight from New York to Tampa Saturday morning were also told they must remain in their seats and could n't have items in their laps , including laptops and pillows .
" The TSA 's list of prohibited items does n't seem to have changed in the last day , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader excerpts from an AP story as carried by Yahoo News about changes stemming from yesterday's foiled bombing attempt of a Northwest Airlines flight: "Some airlines were telling passengers on Saturday that new government security regulations prohibit them from leaving their seats beginning an hour before landing.
The regulations are a response to a suspected terrorism incident on Christmas Day.
Air Canada said in a statement that new rules imposed by the Transportation Security Administration limit on-board activities by passengers and crew in US airspace.
... Flight attendants on some domestic flights are informing passengers of similar rules.
Passengers on a flight from New York to Tampa Saturday morning were also told they must remain in their seats and couldn't have items in their laps, including laptops and pillows.
" The TSA's list of prohibited items doesn't seem to have changed in the last day, though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561470</id>
	<title>Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261947180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've canceled my vacation.  Not because I'm afraid of terrorists-- I'm not, at all.  We're talking at about 1 death per 4 million passengers.<br><br>No, it's that in response to this sliver of a threat, you're guaranteeing that I'll spend twice the time in line, and the flight will be as miserable as you can make it.  This will cost literally billions of dollars (at 300 million hours, about 450 lifetimes) of productive passenger time per year.  And all because some twat might set his crotch on fire-- good thing you don't allow us to have water anymore.<br><br>Alright.  Fine.  Let the airlines go out of business; this nation of cowards deserves it.  I suppose we'll need another bailout, to pay the airlines to leave their aircraft on the tarmac.<br><br>Those who would sacrifice essential liberty for imaginary security are assholes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've canceled my vacation .
Not because I 'm afraid of terrorists-- I 'm not , at all .
We 're talking at about 1 death per 4 million passengers.No , it 's that in response to this sliver of a threat , you 're guaranteeing that I 'll spend twice the time in line , and the flight will be as miserable as you can make it .
This will cost literally billions of dollars ( at 300 million hours , about 450 lifetimes ) of productive passenger time per year .
And all because some twat might set his crotch on fire-- good thing you do n't allow us to have water anymore.Alright .
Fine. Let the airlines go out of business ; this nation of cowards deserves it .
I suppose we 'll need another bailout , to pay the airlines to leave their aircraft on the tarmac.Those who would sacrifice essential liberty for imaginary security are assholes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've canceled my vacation.
Not because I'm afraid of terrorists-- I'm not, at all.
We're talking at about 1 death per 4 million passengers.No, it's that in response to this sliver of a threat, you're guaranteeing that I'll spend twice the time in line, and the flight will be as miserable as you can make it.
This will cost literally billions of dollars (at 300 million hours, about 450 lifetimes) of productive passenger time per year.
And all because some twat might set his crotch on fire-- good thing you don't allow us to have water anymore.Alright.
Fine.  Let the airlines go out of business; this nation of cowards deserves it.
I suppose we'll need another bailout, to pay the airlines to leave their aircraft on the tarmac.Those who would sacrifice essential liberty for imaginary security are assholes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30564620</id>
	<title>Re:They now need a "pee fee" - not what you think</title>
	<author>GameboyRMH</author>
	<datestamp>1261944360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The airlines are victims in this as much as we are. I bet they're lobbying 24/7 to have this security theater killed off. It certainly can't be helping their business. Your beef is with the TSA and US government - I'm sure they'd like you to direct your complaints the airlines whose only way of acting on the problem is to give bribes back to the politicians who created the mess.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The airlines are victims in this as much as we are .
I bet they 're lobbying 24/7 to have this security theater killed off .
It certainly ca n't be helping their business .
Your beef is with the TSA and US government - I 'm sure they 'd like you to direct your complaints the airlines whose only way of acting on the problem is to give bribes back to the politicians who created the mess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The airlines are victims in this as much as we are.
I bet they're lobbying 24/7 to have this security theater killed off.
It certainly can't be helping their business.
Your beef is with the TSA and US government - I'm sure they'd like you to direct your complaints the airlines whose only way of acting on the problem is to give bribes back to the politicians who created the mess.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562952</id>
	<title>Re:Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>b1t r0t</author>
	<datestamp>1261927020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>now that's all europe only. for usa, so i hear, i have to fill forms where required level of stupidity to create them just is not comprehensible to me (do you plan to commit acts of terrorism ?), give fingerprints, subject oneself to arrogant and rude questioning, possibly give out all passwords for any it related devices and maybe even have them confiscated, without any compensation.</p></div><p>I should also add that if an American citizen so much looks in the direction of a US VISIT terminal, a rude man* instantly says "This is not for you. Go away!"
</p><p>*presumably the same man who is hired to be rude to furriners</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>now that 's all europe only .
for usa , so i hear , i have to fill forms where required level of stupidity to create them just is not comprehensible to me ( do you plan to commit acts of terrorism ?
) , give fingerprints , subject oneself to arrogant and rude questioning , possibly give out all passwords for any it related devices and maybe even have them confiscated , without any compensation.I should also add that if an American citizen so much looks in the direction of a US VISIT terminal , a rude man * instantly says " This is not for you .
Go away !
" * presumably the same man who is hired to be rude to furriners</tokentext>
<sentencetext>now that's all europe only.
for usa, so i hear, i have to fill forms where required level of stupidity to create them just is not comprehensible to me (do you plan to commit acts of terrorism ?
), give fingerprints, subject oneself to arrogant and rude questioning, possibly give out all passwords for any it related devices and maybe even have them confiscated, without any compensation.I should also add that if an American citizen so much looks in the direction of a US VISIT terminal, a rude man* instantly says "This is not for you.
Go away!
"
*presumably the same man who is hired to be rude to furriners
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30572044</id>
	<title>hysteria in the air...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262020800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, Do the proposed security measures really address the terrorist attack?</p><p>I'm reading TSA is even forbidding the use of any radio emitter (a.k.a WiFi laptop) during the last flight hour. Didn't the terrorist use a small bag and a syringe?</p><p>It seems that there is again some hysteria in the air...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , Do the proposed security measures really address the terrorist attack ? I 'm reading TSA is even forbidding the use of any radio emitter ( a.k.a WiFi laptop ) during the last flight hour .
Did n't the terrorist use a small bag and a syringe ? It seems that there is again some hysteria in the air.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, Do the proposed security measures really address the terrorist attack?I'm reading TSA is even forbidding the use of any radio emitter (a.k.a WiFi laptop) during the last flight hour.
Didn't the terrorist use a small bag and a syringe?It seems that there is again some hysteria in the air...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562976</id>
	<title>Re:Enough of this shit already</title>
	<author>Jeff DeMaagd</author>
	<datestamp>1261927500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm pretty sure that more people die of motor vehicle accidents than cancer.  At least in the US.  I think the numbers would be roughly equal for most other developed countries, as the US has higher vehicular death rates than usual, but not a lot higher.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty sure that more people die of motor vehicle accidents than cancer .
At least in the US .
I think the numbers would be roughly equal for most other developed countries , as the US has higher vehicular death rates than usual , but not a lot higher .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty sure that more people die of motor vehicle accidents than cancer.
At least in the US.
I think the numbers would be roughly equal for most other developed countries, as the US has higher vehicular death rates than usual, but not a lot higher.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30565350</id>
	<title>Wow</title>
	<author>PenguinGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1261907040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so after the airlines go out of business (because people don't want to put up with all of the TSA bullsh*t), then what will all of the TSA goons do?  Move to INS and take care of the border crossers?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so after the airlines go out of business ( because people do n't want to put up with all of the TSA bullsh * t ) , then what will all of the TSA goons do ?
Move to INS and take care of the border crossers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so after the airlines go out of business (because people don't want to put up with all of the TSA bullsh*t), then what will all of the TSA goons do?
Move to INS and take care of the border crossers?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563666</id>
	<title>Re:As the parent of a 1 year old. I say good luck</title>
	<author>TheGratefulNet</author>
	<datestamp>1261935180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>thanks to you crazy as fuck yanks?</i></p><p>its not one country, can't you see that (you stupid cow)?</p><p>ok, now that we're on insult parity, can't you see that it does not matter WHICH country grabs onto the anti-freedom rope first, but they all love to follow?</p><p>this is a new world order, alright; one of freedom-suppression.  and it knows no national borders.  look around and you'll find some 'novel little law' that this or that country enacted to 'lock down' those terr-a-wrists(tm).</p><p>its a rape-fest of liberty and its world-wide.  stop thinking its this or that country.  its MANKIND and its showing its true light right now.  want to see what man is truly about?  look around right this minute.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>thanks to you crazy as fuck yanks ? its not one country , ca n't you see that ( you stupid cow ) ? ok , now that we 're on insult parity , ca n't you see that it does not matter WHICH country grabs onto the anti-freedom rope first , but they all love to follow ? this is a new world order , alright ; one of freedom-suppression .
and it knows no national borders .
look around and you 'll find some 'novel little law ' that this or that country enacted to 'lock down ' those terr-a-wrists ( tm ) .its a rape-fest of liberty and its world-wide .
stop thinking its this or that country .
its MANKIND and its showing its true light right now .
want to see what man is truly about ?
look around right this minute .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>thanks to you crazy as fuck yanks?its not one country, can't you see that (you stupid cow)?ok, now that we're on insult parity, can't you see that it does not matter WHICH country grabs onto the anti-freedom rope first, but they all love to follow?this is a new world order, alright; one of freedom-suppression.
and it knows no national borders.
look around and you'll find some 'novel little law' that this or that country enacted to 'lock down' those terr-a-wrists(tm).its a rape-fest of liberty and its world-wide.
stop thinking its this or that country.
its MANKIND and its showing its true light right now.
want to see what man is truly about?
look around right this minute.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561610</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30564040</id>
	<title>Simple Solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261938720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>All passengers and crew should fly naked. Ten gloves for body cavity searches will be randomly distributed. Hilarity ensues.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All passengers and crew should fly naked .
Ten gloves for body cavity searches will be randomly distributed .
Hilarity ensues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All passengers and crew should fly naked.
Ten gloves for body cavity searches will be randomly distributed.
Hilarity ensues.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30564078</id>
	<title>Re:Having in mind of those TSA restrictions</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1261939140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
<i>Is it possible to travel to USA from Europe by ship?</i>
</p><p>
The <a href="http://www.cunard.com/" title="cunard.com">Queen Mary II</a> [cunard.com] crosses the Atlantic in 7 days. (It only took four days in the heyday of transatlantic liners.)  List price starts at $907.00, and big discounts are available.  Includes
movie theater, live theater, disco, hot tubs, video arcade, basketball court, swimming pools, tennis court, laundromats, casino, cell phone service, WiFi, an Internet center, and a library.  Eastbound sailing dates for 2010 are Apr 29, May 21, Jun 07, Jul 06, Jul 19, Sep 12.
</p><p>
The one thing they don't have is single cabins.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it possible to travel to USA from Europe by ship ?
The Queen Mary II [ cunard.com ] crosses the Atlantic in 7 days .
( It only took four days in the heyday of transatlantic liners .
) List price starts at $ 907.00 , and big discounts are available .
Includes movie theater , live theater , disco , hot tubs , video arcade , basketball court , swimming pools , tennis court , laundromats , casino , cell phone service , WiFi , an Internet center , and a library .
Eastbound sailing dates for 2010 are Apr 29 , May 21 , Jun 07 , Jul 06 , Jul 19 , Sep 12 .
The one thing they do n't have is single cabins .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Is it possible to travel to USA from Europe by ship?
The Queen Mary II [cunard.com] crosses the Atlantic in 7 days.
(It only took four days in the heyday of transatlantic liners.
)  List price starts at $907.00, and big discounts are available.
Includes
movie theater, live theater, disco, hot tubs, video arcade, basketball court, swimming pools, tennis court, laundromats, casino, cell phone service, WiFi, an Internet center, and a library.
Eastbound sailing dates for 2010 are Apr 29, May 21, Jun 07, Jul 06, Jul 19, Sep 12.
The one thing they don't have is single cabins.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561448</id>
	<title>invent It already</title>
	<author>martas</author>
	<datestamp>1261946940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>news like this make me want to vow that i'll never fly again, but unfortunately in this country often there is no viable alternative. that's why i want to say, <b>please somebody invent <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Entity\_(South\_Park)" title="wikipedia.org">it</a> [wikipedia.org] already!!</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>news like this make me want to vow that i 'll never fly again , but unfortunately in this country often there is no viable alternative .
that 's why i want to say , please somebody invent it [ wikipedia.org ] already !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>news like this make me want to vow that i'll never fly again, but unfortunately in this country often there is no viable alternative.
that's why i want to say, please somebody invent it [wikipedia.org] already!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562986</id>
	<title>Re:They now need a "pee fee" - not what you think</title>
	<author>houghi</author>
	<datestamp>1261927620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It gets worse when they say "I am just doing my job". Sounds to close to "Befehl ist befehl!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It gets worse when they say " I am just doing my job " .
Sounds to close to " Befehl ist befehl !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It gets worse when they say "I am just doing my job".
Sounds to close to "Befehl ist befehl!
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561664</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30566910</id>
	<title>Re:They now need a "pee fee" - not what you think</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261920180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's the "if you're a moral person you don't need to be practical" cop-out. At the end of the day, you're going to care about providing for yourself, your children, or your parents more than you care about being a drop in the pond for some "moral" effort that you'll probably never see the effects of.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.</p></div><p>Yes, yes most of the Nazi and SS members used that rationale for their actions.</p><p>The fact that people are just keeping their heads down and "doing their job" is a sad situation. If you want to sacrifice everything you believe in for comfort and safety, then you deserve to be spit on for it.</p><p>But let's look at it from another point of view... many criminals turn to crime to support their family or themselves. Do we let someone who stole food because they were hungry walk free because "oh, they were just providing for their kids"? No, they still get punished. Maybe not as bad as someone who steals just for profit, but they STILL get punished. There are plenty of jobs out there. There are plenty of ways to get food on the table for the kids (who you had voluntarily, I'd like to mention- nobody forced you to have them). The fact is that most people who claim your argument are comfortable where they are, it's not that they can't do more it's that they WON'T do more. And that is the root of the problem.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the " if you 're a moral person you do n't need to be practical " cop-out .
At the end of the day , you 're going to care about providing for yourself , your children , or your parents more than you care about being a drop in the pond for some " moral " effort that you 'll probably never see the effects of .
.Yes , yes most of the Nazi and SS members used that rationale for their actions.The fact that people are just keeping their heads down and " doing their job " is a sad situation .
If you want to sacrifice everything you believe in for comfort and safety , then you deserve to be spit on for it.But let 's look at it from another point of view... many criminals turn to crime to support their family or themselves .
Do we let someone who stole food because they were hungry walk free because " oh , they were just providing for their kids " ?
No , they still get punished .
Maybe not as bad as someone who steals just for profit , but they STILL get punished .
There are plenty of jobs out there .
There are plenty of ways to get food on the table for the kids ( who you had voluntarily , I 'd like to mention- nobody forced you to have them ) .
The fact is that most people who claim your argument are comfortable where they are , it 's not that they ca n't do more it 's that they WO N'T do more .
And that is the root of the problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the "if you're a moral person you don't need to be practical" cop-out.
At the end of the day, you're going to care about providing for yourself, your children, or your parents more than you care about being a drop in the pond for some "moral" effort that you'll probably never see the effects of.
.Yes, yes most of the Nazi and SS members used that rationale for their actions.The fact that people are just keeping their heads down and "doing their job" is a sad situation.
If you want to sacrifice everything you believe in for comfort and safety, then you deserve to be spit on for it.But let's look at it from another point of view... many criminals turn to crime to support their family or themselves.
Do we let someone who stole food because they were hungry walk free because "oh, they were just providing for their kids"?
No, they still get punished.
Maybe not as bad as someone who steals just for profit, but they STILL get punished.
There are plenty of jobs out there.
There are plenty of ways to get food on the table for the kids (who you had voluntarily, I'd like to mention- nobody forced you to have them).
The fact is that most people who claim your argument are comfortable where they are, it's not that they can't do more it's that they WON'T do more.
And that is the root of the problem.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561596</id>
	<title>new rules are important for now</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261905300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree with most of the comments that new rules are pointless and I think will eventually go away.  But right now they are important to change rules of angagement so potential terrorist will think they need to adjust and make mistakes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with most of the comments that new rules are pointless and I think will eventually go away .
But right now they are important to change rules of angagement so potential terrorist will think they need to adjust and make mistakes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with most of the comments that new rules are pointless and I think will eventually go away.
But right now they are important to change rules of angagement so potential terrorist will think they need to adjust and make mistakes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30566760</id>
	<title>Re:The "Terrorists" win again...</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1261919100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, yes, killing the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, and the rest is too expensive. Perhaps we could ask the Israelis for more ideas on how to be more effective on the cheap? They seem to kill the ringleaders with much greater reliably and for much less money than we do, but who knows...Americans are innovative after all, we just have to find cheaper ways of killing the bad guys. Perhaps that is an area for some stimulus spending? Nothing like investment in arms and weapons to get the economy going after all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , yes , killing the Taliban , Al-Qaeda , and the rest is too expensive .
Perhaps we could ask the Israelis for more ideas on how to be more effective on the cheap ?
They seem to kill the ringleaders with much greater reliably and for much less money than we do , but who knows...Americans are innovative after all , we just have to find cheaper ways of killing the bad guys .
Perhaps that is an area for some stimulus spending ?
Nothing like investment in arms and weapons to get the economy going after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, yes, killing the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, and the rest is too expensive.
Perhaps we could ask the Israelis for more ideas on how to be more effective on the cheap?
They seem to kill the ringleaders with much greater reliably and for much less money than we do, but who knows...Americans are innovative after all, we just have to find cheaper ways of killing the bad guys.
Perhaps that is an area for some stimulus spending?
Nothing like investment in arms and weapons to get the economy going after all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561420</id>
	<title>Re:NO!</title>
	<author>sunderland56</author>
	<datestamp>1261946640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Especially because the terrorist in question <i>remained in his seat the whole time</i>.
<br> <br>
In fact, the only person who seems to have left his seat is the guy who got up to stop the attack. So, should he have remained seated instead?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Especially because the terrorist in question remained in his seat the whole time .
In fact , the only person who seems to have left his seat is the guy who got up to stop the attack .
So , should he have remained seated instead ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Especially because the terrorist in question remained in his seat the whole time.
In fact, the only person who seems to have left his seat is the guy who got up to stop the attack.
So, should he have remained seated instead?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563104</id>
	<title>Some of these restrictions already existed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261929000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry to piss on your complaints parade,<br>but some of these restrictions already existed.</p><p>On flights from Montreal (Canada) to Washington DC (Reagan national, i.e. not far from Pentagon), you cannot leave your<br>(often very cramped regional jet) seat one hour before landing. The flight is something like 1hr 20min in total.</p><p>Basically, the plane barely takes off, the seat belt sign turns off, and then they tell you you about the restriction.Then you<br>see the lineup of women with overactive bladders, the 300lb IT dude, and the nervous traveler lining up to use the single bathroom<br>in the aircraft.</p><p>It has been this way for at least 5 years or so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry to piss on your complaints parade,but some of these restrictions already existed.On flights from Montreal ( Canada ) to Washington DC ( Reagan national , i.e .
not far from Pentagon ) , you can not leave your ( often very cramped regional jet ) seat one hour before landing .
The flight is something like 1hr 20min in total.Basically , the plane barely takes off , the seat belt sign turns off , and then they tell you you about the restriction.Then yousee the lineup of women with overactive bladders , the 300lb IT dude , and the nervous traveler lining up to use the single bathroomin the aircraft.It has been this way for at least 5 years or so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry to piss on your complaints parade,but some of these restrictions already existed.On flights from Montreal (Canada) to Washington DC (Reagan national, i.e.
not far from Pentagon), you cannot leave your(often very cramped regional jet) seat one hour before landing.
The flight is something like 1hr 20min in total.Basically, the plane barely takes off, the seat belt sign turns off, and then they tell you you about the restriction.Then yousee the lineup of women with overactive bladders, the 300lb IT dude, and the nervous traveler lining up to use the single bathroomin the aircraft.It has been this way for at least 5 years or so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563028</id>
	<title>Re:What this incident proved...</title>
	<author>fotoguzzi</author>
	<datestamp>1261927980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>He was Dutch.</i> <br>
<br>
It would be so poetic if he stuck his finger somewhere to stop the bomb from going off.</htmltext>
<tokenext>He was Dutch .
It would be so poetic if he stuck his finger somewhere to stop the bomb from going off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He was Dutch.
It would be so poetic if he stuck his finger somewhere to stop the bomb from going off.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561990</id>
	<title>what next ??</title>
	<author>sxpert</author>
	<datestamp>1261910580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They'll have us attached to the seats with manicles ?<br>and if you want to pee, tough luck... pee on yourself ?<br>or mebbe they'll confiscate all clothing and have us travelling naked ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 'll have us attached to the seats with manicles ? and if you want to pee , tough luck... pee on yourself ? or mebbe they 'll confiscate all clothing and have us travelling naked ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They'll have us attached to the seats with manicles ?and if you want to pee, tough luck... pee on yourself ?or mebbe they'll confiscate all clothing and have us travelling naked ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30564856</id>
	<title>Re:Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261946940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>i'm sure slashdot crowd could come up with ways to transform majority of everyday items into weapons, and i'm sure skeery terrirists aren't as dumb and stone age as your media might want to portray them. there has to be some reason why every flight is not terrorised by some whacko with handmade pointy thing.</p></div><p>That gave me a funny thought: What if, in order to prove the stupidity in all this, people would contribute to a wiki with instructions how to turn as many everyday items as possible into weapons? Would the result be some sanity or would aircraft and airports become "item-free zones" and the few people still willing to fly, be forced to do so in their underwear?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>i 'm sure slashdot crowd could come up with ways to transform majority of everyday items into weapons , and i 'm sure skeery terrirists are n't as dumb and stone age as your media might want to portray them .
there has to be some reason why every flight is not terrorised by some whacko with handmade pointy thing.That gave me a funny thought : What if , in order to prove the stupidity in all this , people would contribute to a wiki with instructions how to turn as many everyday items as possible into weapons ?
Would the result be some sanity or would aircraft and airports become " item-free zones " and the few people still willing to fly , be forced to do so in their underwear ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i'm sure slashdot crowd could come up with ways to transform majority of everyday items into weapons, and i'm sure skeery terrirists aren't as dumb and stone age as your media might want to portray them.
there has to be some reason why every flight is not terrorised by some whacko with handmade pointy thing.That gave me a funny thought: What if, in order to prove the stupidity in all this, people would contribute to a wiki with instructions how to turn as many everyday items as possible into weapons?
Would the result be some sanity or would aircraft and airports become "item-free zones" and the few people still willing to fly, be forced to do so in their underwear?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561776</id>
	<title>Re:I guess I'll just start getting arrested</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261907640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And some "just doing his job" air marshal will shoot you.  It's stupid. What's so special about the last hour? That just means somebody who has figured out how to get something on the plane will do it in the hour prior to the last hour.  And when that person is beaten to death by other passengers (the ones who know to get the f out of their seat and ACT), then they will say you cannot move for the last two hours. And so on and so forth. Howmuch you want to bet they don't do this to first class on International fights where a ticket is $7500?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And some " just doing his job " air marshal will shoot you .
It 's stupid .
What 's so special about the last hour ?
That just means somebody who has figured out how to get something on the plane will do it in the hour prior to the last hour .
And when that person is beaten to death by other passengers ( the ones who know to get the f out of their seat and ACT ) , then they will say you can not move for the last two hours .
And so on and so forth .
Howmuch you want to bet they do n't do this to first class on International fights where a ticket is $ 7500 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And some "just doing his job" air marshal will shoot you.
It's stupid.
What's so special about the last hour?
That just means somebody who has figured out how to get something on the plane will do it in the hour prior to the last hour.
And when that person is beaten to death by other passengers (the ones who know to get the f out of their seat and ACT), then they will say you cannot move for the last two hours.
And so on and so forth.
Howmuch you want to bet they don't do this to first class on International fights where a ticket is $7500?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563594</id>
	<title>Re:Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>ari\_j</author>
	<datestamp>1261934460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For what it's worth, your understanding of the USA commercial flight security process is a bit exaggerated.  I have never been fingerprinted, required to fill out a form, asked for a password, etc.  But it is still ridiculous and pointless.  And I have been outright lied to - when traveling with a firearm in my checked bag, I was allowed to be present in a private room for the security check of the bag.  They then placed a tag on it that indicated it was not to be searched again, and told me that it would be okay for me to put a lock on the bag.  When I got to claim my bag at my destination, the tag had been removed and the lock had been cut off the bag.  Someone working in security along the way apparently decided that he didn't have to follow the rules if he cut the tag off first.
<br> <br>
The worst part of all this is that none of it works.  This little incendiary pants-fire device made it through every security provision that was already in place.  The perpetrator was already on the list of people with ties to al Qaeda, so even the database-keeping part of the security operation failed in a case where it easily could have succeeded.  Long story short: The governments of the world are absolutely incompetent at aviation security.  They even fail at security theater - I have yet to meet anyone who actually feels safer with everyone taking their smelly shoes off to go through security, for instance.  But just try to tell them that in order to retract some of the ridiculous procedures they've put in place.  Nobody in government gives a damn about the inconvenience in your life, with the exception that (in America) the left wing cares about the inconvenience of you having to get up and go to work to earn a living while the right wing cares about the inconvenience of the billionaires having to actually work for that next billion.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For what it 's worth , your understanding of the USA commercial flight security process is a bit exaggerated .
I have never been fingerprinted , required to fill out a form , asked for a password , etc .
But it is still ridiculous and pointless .
And I have been outright lied to - when traveling with a firearm in my checked bag , I was allowed to be present in a private room for the security check of the bag .
They then placed a tag on it that indicated it was not to be searched again , and told me that it would be okay for me to put a lock on the bag .
When I got to claim my bag at my destination , the tag had been removed and the lock had been cut off the bag .
Someone working in security along the way apparently decided that he did n't have to follow the rules if he cut the tag off first .
The worst part of all this is that none of it works .
This little incendiary pants-fire device made it through every security provision that was already in place .
The perpetrator was already on the list of people with ties to al Qaeda , so even the database-keeping part of the security operation failed in a case where it easily could have succeeded .
Long story short : The governments of the world are absolutely incompetent at aviation security .
They even fail at security theater - I have yet to meet anyone who actually feels safer with everyone taking their smelly shoes off to go through security , for instance .
But just try to tell them that in order to retract some of the ridiculous procedures they 've put in place .
Nobody in government gives a damn about the inconvenience in your life , with the exception that ( in America ) the left wing cares about the inconvenience of you having to get up and go to work to earn a living while the right wing cares about the inconvenience of the billionaires having to actually work for that next billion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For what it's worth, your understanding of the USA commercial flight security process is a bit exaggerated.
I have never been fingerprinted, required to fill out a form, asked for a password, etc.
But it is still ridiculous and pointless.
And I have been outright lied to - when traveling with a firearm in my checked bag, I was allowed to be present in a private room for the security check of the bag.
They then placed a tag on it that indicated it was not to be searched again, and told me that it would be okay for me to put a lock on the bag.
When I got to claim my bag at my destination, the tag had been removed and the lock had been cut off the bag.
Someone working in security along the way apparently decided that he didn't have to follow the rules if he cut the tag off first.
The worst part of all this is that none of it works.
This little incendiary pants-fire device made it through every security provision that was already in place.
The perpetrator was already on the list of people with ties to al Qaeda, so even the database-keeping part of the security operation failed in a case where it easily could have succeeded.
Long story short: The governments of the world are absolutely incompetent at aviation security.
They even fail at security theater - I have yet to meet anyone who actually feels safer with everyone taking their smelly shoes off to go through security, for instance.
But just try to tell them that in order to retract some of the ridiculous procedures they've put in place.
Nobody in government gives a damn about the inconvenience in your life, with the exception that (in America) the left wing cares about the inconvenience of you having to get up and go to work to earn a living while the right wing cares about the inconvenience of the billionaires having to actually work for that next billion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562598</id>
	<title>Re:Typical cop response</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1261921800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yup, it's a shame that they didn't let the last lot go ahead.  From everything I've read about their plan, the most likely outcome would have been that they'd have blown themselves up in the toilet.  Now, imagine reading this news story:<p><div class="quote"><p>Today a man was arrested after setting fire to his trousers on a plane while attempting to detonate an explosive device.  During interrogation, he claimed to be working for Al Quaeda, a group whose operatives last year blew themselves up in an aeroplane toilet in a similar attempt.</p></div><p>Would your reaction be terror?  Mine would be to laugh.  When you hear the name of a terrorist group and immediately laugh at the memory of their ineffectual attempts, then you can say that they've lost: They have failed to inspire terror.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup , it 's a shame that they did n't let the last lot go ahead .
From everything I 've read about their plan , the most likely outcome would have been that they 'd have blown themselves up in the toilet .
Now , imagine reading this news story : Today a man was arrested after setting fire to his trousers on a plane while attempting to detonate an explosive device .
During interrogation , he claimed to be working for Al Quaeda , a group whose operatives last year blew themselves up in an aeroplane toilet in a similar attempt.Would your reaction be terror ?
Mine would be to laugh .
When you hear the name of a terrorist group and immediately laugh at the memory of their ineffectual attempts , then you can say that they 've lost : They have failed to inspire terror .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup, it's a shame that they didn't let the last lot go ahead.
From everything I've read about their plan, the most likely outcome would have been that they'd have blown themselves up in the toilet.
Now, imagine reading this news story:Today a man was arrested after setting fire to his trousers on a plane while attempting to detonate an explosive device.
During interrogation, he claimed to be working for Al Quaeda, a group whose operatives last year blew themselves up in an aeroplane toilet in a similar attempt.Would your reaction be terror?
Mine would be to laugh.
When you hear the name of a terrorist group and immediately laugh at the memory of their ineffectual attempts, then you can say that they've lost: They have failed to inspire terror.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563038</id>
	<title>Re:Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>houghi</author>
	<datestamp>1261928100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>i had nail clippers taken from me. the pointy part was ~ 5 or 6 millimeters long.</p></div></blockquote><p>My grandfather and his friends took with them a coin that they sharpend so as to put them between their fingers when they were fighting.</p><p>And look at Japanese fighting sports. EVERYTHING can be made into a weapon. I am sure that whith a bit of ingenuity, you could make knifes of stuff you buy at the airport. No McGuiver stuff, just breaking a bottle could be enough.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>i had nail clippers taken from me .
the pointy part was ~ 5 or 6 millimeters long.My grandfather and his friends took with them a coin that they sharpend so as to put them between their fingers when they were fighting.And look at Japanese fighting sports .
EVERYTHING can be made into a weapon .
I am sure that whith a bit of ingenuity , you could make knifes of stuff you buy at the airport .
No McGuiver stuff , just breaking a bottle could be enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i had nail clippers taken from me.
the pointy part was ~ 5 or 6 millimeters long.My grandfather and his friends took with them a coin that they sharpend so as to put them between their fingers when they were fighting.And look at Japanese fighting sports.
EVERYTHING can be made into a weapon.
I am sure that whith a bit of ingenuity, you could make knifes of stuff you buy at the airport.
No McGuiver stuff, just breaking a bottle could be enough.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30566026</id>
	<title>Re:I guess I'll just start getting arrested</title>
	<author>Pichu0102</author>
	<datestamp>1261912260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You think they won't just up and shoot you in the head on arrival at the airport for your troubles as an example?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You think they wo n't just up and shoot you in the head on arrival at the airport for your troubles as an example ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You think they won't just up and shoot you in the head on arrival at the airport for your troubles as an example?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561376</id>
	<title>How about not allowing direct flight from Nigeria?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261946280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously. Make every passenger from Nigeria go out through security in Amsterdam, then back in. And while you are at it if some guy in Nigeria goes to the US embassy and says look out for my son here is his name then bloody look out for that name in visa requests and think twice before granting it.</p><p>Oh and another thing. US security seems to focus on detaining the bad guys after they have landed in the US. We have heard of this happening to plenty of people. How about recognising that they can get up to bad stuff while still in the air over Detroit, and trying to keep the bad guys from even getting on the plane.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously .
Make every passenger from Nigeria go out through security in Amsterdam , then back in .
And while you are at it if some guy in Nigeria goes to the US embassy and says look out for my son here is his name then bloody look out for that name in visa requests and think twice before granting it.Oh and another thing .
US security seems to focus on detaining the bad guys after they have landed in the US .
We have heard of this happening to plenty of people .
How about recognising that they can get up to bad stuff while still in the air over Detroit , and trying to keep the bad guys from even getting on the plane .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously.
Make every passenger from Nigeria go out through security in Amsterdam, then back in.
And while you are at it if some guy in Nigeria goes to the US embassy and says look out for my son here is his name then bloody look out for that name in visa requests and think twice before granting it.Oh and another thing.
US security seems to focus on detaining the bad guys after they have landed in the US.
We have heard of this happening to plenty of people.
How about recognising that they can get up to bad stuff while still in the air over Detroit, and trying to keep the bad guys from even getting on the plane.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563138</id>
	<title>Re:Contact the TSA/airlines/Congress</title>
	<author>Joe U</author>
	<datestamp>1261929360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...but how many of us take our comments beyond a Slashdot post?</p></div><p>Since 9/11, Amtrak trips: NYC to Seattle, 4 times. NYC to Ft Worth, 8 times, NYC to ABQ 6 times, NYC to New Orleans twice, NYC to Miami once, and NYC to CHI, lots.</p><p>Those are not short trips and I have flown a few times since then, but I usually don't.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...but how many of us take our comments beyond a Slashdot post ? Since 9/11 , Amtrak trips : NYC to Seattle , 4 times .
NYC to Ft Worth , 8 times , NYC to ABQ 6 times , NYC to New Orleans twice , NYC to Miami once , and NYC to CHI , lots.Those are not short trips and I have flown a few times since then , but I usually do n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...but how many of us take our comments beyond a Slashdot post?Since 9/11, Amtrak trips: NYC to Seattle, 4 times.
NYC to Ft Worth, 8 times, NYC to ABQ 6 times, NYC to New Orleans twice, NYC to Miami once, and NYC to CHI, lots.Those are not short trips and I have flown a few times since then, but I usually don't.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562018</id>
	<title>Re:OK, this is stupid. (re: Israel)</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1261910880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been to Israel only once -- earlier this year; beautiful and interesting place to visit! -- and while I agree with you that their procedures seemed more humane, I wouldn't say that they (speaking only of the visible parts) were any less visible / overt than in the U.S., but rather the opposite.</p><p>My demographic (perhaps the same as yours, I don't know) I'm sure contributed to the scrutiny I received on both sides of my 3-week trip -- I didn't *notice* any extra attention paid to me during my actual time in the country, which doesn't prove there wasn't any. (That is, as male under 40, traveling alone with no checked baggage, and no strong connections to Israel in the form of family, culture, previous visits, etc.)</p><p>I was approached and questioned (not unpleasant -- agent was cute) even on arrival, right on the stairs leading from the plane to the hallway to the main terminal, who called me out by name. Was it partly because I was taking the stairs (two at a time) instead of the escalator, or blind chance? I dunno. All visitors (there are separate lines for Israeli passport holders, and I'm not sure how they're treated) on arrival must clear passport control with a small interview about the purpose of the visit, schedule, etc. I have visited a handful of countries overall (8, I think), but it was by far the most thoroughly and frankly I ever remember being examined.  Very different from most of my experiences with TSA in the US, and seemed to be more thoughtful / alert even than what I found in German and American airports when I flew to Berlin from the U.S. in October, 2001 -- a pretty tense time to fly.</p><p>On departure from Israel, was engaged in pointed conversation by three different security people in the initial line at the airport, too, before even checking in for my flight, and that's before I reached the two X-ray stations, pat-down station, and chemical sniffer. Asked to spell the names, and give the address, of the friends with whom I had stayed in Jerusalem, to name and describe the place I'd stayed in Haifa, to describe in detail (more than once) the purpose of my trip, my itinerary, etc, and prompted to agree -- again, more than once -- that perhaps someone had supplied me with a package to carry on my flight, etc. "No, this is all my own luggage, and I have had control of it the whole time. Yes, I packed it.  Correct, this is my luggage for the entire trip. Yes, I visited Jordan for one day, to visit Petra. No, I don't know anyone in Jordan. Yes, I met some interesting people while I've been in Israel, but No, none of them asked me to carry anything in my luggage. I was in Haifa to give a small talk and to see the city." (etc.) Thought it was a bit much even given my expectations of hard-nosed vigilance, it was all fairly polite and respectful* -- just insistent. It also buoyed my confidence that people who seemed competent and thoughtful were visibly involved, and actually enjoyed it as an interesting cultural experience. If I flew there every month, I might feel a lot differently about it.</p><p>This is not to say that I am aware of all the security stuff going on in the background, there or in the U.S. -- I figure (and hope) that there's more to it than what I see<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>Cheers,</p><p>timothy</p><p>* This is certainly not my experience with TSA, though I'm sure some of their agents are competent, polite, and alert. I've just seen, or at least taken note of, more of the other kind. My horror stories aren't even campfire ghost stories compared to the people who've really gotten screwed over by TSA, and so aren't worth recounting at this time of night, so I'll just leave it at that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been to Israel only once -- earlier this year ; beautiful and interesting place to visit !
-- and while I agree with you that their procedures seemed more humane , I would n't say that they ( speaking only of the visible parts ) were any less visible / overt than in the U.S. , but rather the opposite.My demographic ( perhaps the same as yours , I do n't know ) I 'm sure contributed to the scrutiny I received on both sides of my 3-week trip -- I did n't * notice * any extra attention paid to me during my actual time in the country , which does n't prove there was n't any .
( That is , as male under 40 , traveling alone with no checked baggage , and no strong connections to Israel in the form of family , culture , previous visits , etc .
) I was approached and questioned ( not unpleasant -- agent was cute ) even on arrival , right on the stairs leading from the plane to the hallway to the main terminal , who called me out by name .
Was it partly because I was taking the stairs ( two at a time ) instead of the escalator , or blind chance ?
I dunno .
All visitors ( there are separate lines for Israeli passport holders , and I 'm not sure how they 're treated ) on arrival must clear passport control with a small interview about the purpose of the visit , schedule , etc .
I have visited a handful of countries overall ( 8 , I think ) , but it was by far the most thoroughly and frankly I ever remember being examined .
Very different from most of my experiences with TSA in the US , and seemed to be more thoughtful / alert even than what I found in German and American airports when I flew to Berlin from the U.S. in October , 2001 -- a pretty tense time to fly.On departure from Israel , was engaged in pointed conversation by three different security people in the initial line at the airport , too , before even checking in for my flight , and that 's before I reached the two X-ray stations , pat-down station , and chemical sniffer .
Asked to spell the names , and give the address , of the friends with whom I had stayed in Jerusalem , to name and describe the place I 'd stayed in Haifa , to describe in detail ( more than once ) the purpose of my trip , my itinerary , etc , and prompted to agree -- again , more than once -- that perhaps someone had supplied me with a package to carry on my flight , etc .
" No , this is all my own luggage , and I have had control of it the whole time .
Yes , I packed it .
Correct , this is my luggage for the entire trip .
Yes , I visited Jordan for one day , to visit Petra .
No , I do n't know anyone in Jordan .
Yes , I met some interesting people while I 've been in Israel , but No , none of them asked me to carry anything in my luggage .
I was in Haifa to give a small talk and to see the city .
" ( etc .
) Thought it was a bit much even given my expectations of hard-nosed vigilance , it was all fairly polite and respectful * -- just insistent .
It also buoyed my confidence that people who seemed competent and thoughtful were visibly involved , and actually enjoyed it as an interesting cultural experience .
If I flew there every month , I might feel a lot differently about it.This is not to say that I am aware of all the security stuff going on in the background , there or in the U.S. -- I figure ( and hope ) that there 's more to it than what I see ; ) Cheers,timothy * This is certainly not my experience with TSA , though I 'm sure some of their agents are competent , polite , and alert .
I 've just seen , or at least taken note of , more of the other kind .
My horror stories are n't even campfire ghost stories compared to the people who 've really gotten screwed over by TSA , and so are n't worth recounting at this time of night , so I 'll just leave it at that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been to Israel only once -- earlier this year; beautiful and interesting place to visit!
-- and while I agree with you that their procedures seemed more humane, I wouldn't say that they (speaking only of the visible parts) were any less visible / overt than in the U.S., but rather the opposite.My demographic (perhaps the same as yours, I don't know) I'm sure contributed to the scrutiny I received on both sides of my 3-week trip -- I didn't *notice* any extra attention paid to me during my actual time in the country, which doesn't prove there wasn't any.
(That is, as male under 40, traveling alone with no checked baggage, and no strong connections to Israel in the form of family, culture, previous visits, etc.
)I was approached and questioned (not unpleasant -- agent was cute) even on arrival, right on the stairs leading from the plane to the hallway to the main terminal, who called me out by name.
Was it partly because I was taking the stairs (two at a time) instead of the escalator, or blind chance?
I dunno.
All visitors (there are separate lines for Israeli passport holders, and I'm not sure how they're treated) on arrival must clear passport control with a small interview about the purpose of the visit, schedule, etc.
I have visited a handful of countries overall (8, I think), but it was by far the most thoroughly and frankly I ever remember being examined.
Very different from most of my experiences with TSA in the US, and seemed to be more thoughtful / alert even than what I found in German and American airports when I flew to Berlin from the U.S. in October, 2001 -- a pretty tense time to fly.On departure from Israel, was engaged in pointed conversation by three different security people in the initial line at the airport, too, before even checking in for my flight, and that's before I reached the two X-ray stations, pat-down station, and chemical sniffer.
Asked to spell the names, and give the address, of the friends with whom I had stayed in Jerusalem, to name and describe the place I'd stayed in Haifa, to describe in detail (more than once) the purpose of my trip, my itinerary, etc, and prompted to agree -- again, more than once -- that perhaps someone had supplied me with a package to carry on my flight, etc.
"No, this is all my own luggage, and I have had control of it the whole time.
Yes, I packed it.
Correct, this is my luggage for the entire trip.
Yes, I visited Jordan for one day, to visit Petra.
No, I don't know anyone in Jordan.
Yes, I met some interesting people while I've been in Israel, but No, none of them asked me to carry anything in my luggage.
I was in Haifa to give a small talk and to see the city.
" (etc.
) Thought it was a bit much even given my expectations of hard-nosed vigilance, it was all fairly polite and respectful* -- just insistent.
It also buoyed my confidence that people who seemed competent and thoughtful were visibly involved, and actually enjoyed it as an interesting cultural experience.
If I flew there every month, I might feel a lot differently about it.This is not to say that I am aware of all the security stuff going on in the background, there or in the U.S. -- I figure (and hope) that there's more to it than what I see ;)Cheers,timothy* This is certainly not my experience with TSA, though I'm sure some of their agents are competent, polite, and alert.
I've just seen, or at least taken note of, more of the other kind.
My horror stories aren't even campfire ghost stories compared to the people who've really gotten screwed over by TSA, and so aren't worth recounting at this time of night, so I'll just leave it at that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30569290</id>
	<title>Re:OK, this is stupid. (re: Israel)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261995120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The interview is the major part of Israeli security - they have algorithms, and they \_work\_. In Israel they're allowed to profile without being jumped on, and they do it to great effect. Read "Unsafe at Any Altitude" (http://www.amazon.com/Unsafe-Any-Altitude-Exposing-Illusion/dp/1586421360).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The interview is the major part of Israeli security - they have algorithms , and they \ _work \ _ .
In Israel they 're allowed to profile without being jumped on , and they do it to great effect .
Read " Unsafe at Any Altitude " ( http : //www.amazon.com/Unsafe-Any-Altitude-Exposing-Illusion/dp/1586421360 ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The interview is the major part of Israeli security - they have algorithms, and they \_work\_.
In Israel they're allowed to profile without being jumped on, and they do it to great effect.
Read "Unsafe at Any Altitude" (http://www.amazon.com/Unsafe-Any-Altitude-Exposing-Illusion/dp/1586421360).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562004</id>
	<title>Alternatives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261910700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My wife wants to see the USA someday. I don't see this happening any more. At the very least, we are taking the BOAT. I don't care if it takes weeks to get there. At least I do not need to go through all this "security" bullshit. Wake up and smell the coffee. TERRORISTS WIN</p><p>FYI I live in Israel and jet fighters fly over my house 3-5 times a week. Just now one passed over my house at mach 1+, shaking the coffee cup on my desk during one of their flyby's to Lebanon. Sure its noisy but unlike TSA, the Israel Army is not treating me as a terrorist! (And I get to pay reduced taxes)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My wife wants to see the USA someday .
I do n't see this happening any more .
At the very least , we are taking the BOAT .
I do n't care if it takes weeks to get there .
At least I do not need to go through all this " security " bullshit .
Wake up and smell the coffee .
TERRORISTS WINFYI I live in Israel and jet fighters fly over my house 3-5 times a week .
Just now one passed over my house at mach 1 + , shaking the coffee cup on my desk during one of their flyby 's to Lebanon .
Sure its noisy but unlike TSA , the Israel Army is not treating me as a terrorist !
( And I get to pay reduced taxes )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My wife wants to see the USA someday.
I don't see this happening any more.
At the very least, we are taking the BOAT.
I don't care if it takes weeks to get there.
At least I do not need to go through all this "security" bullshit.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
TERRORISTS WINFYI I live in Israel and jet fighters fly over my house 3-5 times a week.
Just now one passed over my house at mach 1+, shaking the coffee cup on my desk during one of their flyby's to Lebanon.
Sure its noisy but unlike TSA, the Israel Army is not treating me as a terrorist!
(And I get to pay reduced taxes)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561568</id>
	<title>Re:This is kind of rediculous</title>
	<author>Lokinator</author>
	<datestamp>1261905060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's been feel-good security theatre since day one. I now only fly if there is no other practical option. This sucks...as once flying was a joy in and of itself, a pleasant addition to the travel experience. Now it's a little slice of hell, and I won't play if I don't have to...and what's truly offensive is these various unpleasantries, as far as I can tell, do little or nothing to enhance safety and have everything to do with "looking busy" and providing a "sense of security" where there is little actual security, as actual security measures would largely be politically unacceptable.

So...one dim-bulbed attempted bombing that...if successful...might have killed *at most* 1,000 persons (all aboard, crashing into crowded high school and/or nursing home) will inflict largely useless idiocy upon everyone flying in U.S. Airspace.  If we consider that a goal of asymmetrical warfare is to make things unpleasant for the populace of the opponent - wouldn't this count as a casualty-free win for the Al-Qaeda bandits?</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's been feel-good security theatre since day one .
I now only fly if there is no other practical option .
This sucks...as once flying was a joy in and of itself , a pleasant addition to the travel experience .
Now it 's a little slice of hell , and I wo n't play if I do n't have to...and what 's truly offensive is these various unpleasantries , as far as I can tell , do little or nothing to enhance safety and have everything to do with " looking busy " and providing a " sense of security " where there is little actual security , as actual security measures would largely be politically unacceptable .
So...one dim-bulbed attempted bombing that...if successful...might have killed * at most * 1,000 persons ( all aboard , crashing into crowded high school and/or nursing home ) will inflict largely useless idiocy upon everyone flying in U.S. Airspace. If we consider that a goal of asymmetrical warfare is to make things unpleasant for the populace of the opponent - would n't this count as a casualty-free win for the Al-Qaeda bandits ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's been feel-good security theatre since day one.
I now only fly if there is no other practical option.
This sucks...as once flying was a joy in and of itself, a pleasant addition to the travel experience.
Now it's a little slice of hell, and I won't play if I don't have to...and what's truly offensive is these various unpleasantries, as far as I can tell, do little or nothing to enhance safety and have everything to do with "looking busy" and providing a "sense of security" where there is little actual security, as actual security measures would largely be politically unacceptable.
So...one dim-bulbed attempted bombing that...if successful...might have killed *at most* 1,000 persons (all aboard, crashing into crowded high school and/or nursing home) will inflict largely useless idiocy upon everyone flying in U.S. Airspace.  If we consider that a goal of asymmetrical warfare is to make things unpleasant for the populace of the opponent - wouldn't this count as a casualty-free win for the Al-Qaeda bandits?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561462</id>
	<title>What this incident proved...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261947060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just like the shoe bomber fracas a couple of years ago, is that to thwart a perp attacking an aircraft, what you need are passengers who are ready to go berserk on his ass.  No TSA or air marshalls needed.</p><p>The spurt of rule-making that follows an incident like this is nothing but a demand for more docility from the public.  The TSA is useless.</p><p>-jcr</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just like the shoe bomber fracas a couple of years ago , is that to thwart a perp attacking an aircraft , what you need are passengers who are ready to go berserk on his ass .
No TSA or air marshalls needed.The spurt of rule-making that follows an incident like this is nothing but a demand for more docility from the public .
The TSA is useless.-jcr</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just like the shoe bomber fracas a couple of years ago, is that to thwart a perp attacking an aircraft, what you need are passengers who are ready to go berserk on his ass.
No TSA or air marshalls needed.The spurt of rule-making that follows an incident like this is nothing but a demand for more docility from the public.
The TSA is useless.-jcr</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563818</id>
	<title>Re:The "Terrorists" win again...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261936800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For all we know, the terrorists have been building investment positions in defense and security companies since 9/11 and have been raking in millions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For all we know , the terrorists have been building investment positions in defense and security companies since 9/11 and have been raking in millions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For all we know, the terrorists have been building investment positions in defense and security companies since 9/11 and have been raking in millions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562968</id>
	<title>Re:Contact the TSA/airlines/Congress</title>
	<author>TheGratefulNet</author>
	<datestamp>1261927380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>but how many of us take our comments beyond a Slashdot post? </i></p><p>I have refused to fly, for both business and personal.  I have not been on a plane in close to 10 years.  when business meetings are 'suggested' to me, I only go when its absolutely necessary and urgent.  funny how things aren't really urgent or necessary after all.</p><p>the airlines have lost about a decade of my travel (money).  I used to travel the world (had a nicely stamped passport and fully went around the world).  but not anymore.  I hate being treated like cattle; and lately, worse.</p><p>I simply opt not to travel by air.  I don't travel too much, in general; but certainly not by air.</p><p>who has 'won' here?  I have lost since I lose a nice freedom I once had (to travel and not be treated as a suspect-until-proven-innocent); the US has lost much face to the world and I'm not sure, exactly, what 'they, the arab world have gained at all.  I can't see one winner in this (other than the power brokers in, say, republican interests).</p><p>but seriously, we all have lost.  our rights and freedoms are vanishing before our eyes, DAILY (literally) and it all seems so pointless to give our freedoms away and have this 'terror' never actually end.</p><p>there will be children who grow up never knowing some of the basic human respect you and I once knew.  ie, from now on until you and I die (assuming normal life expectancy) this 'rule by fear and terror' will still be going on.  in fact, this may be mankinds longest political game; keep the population scared and they'll be yours to control.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but how many of us take our comments beyond a Slashdot post ?
I have refused to fly , for both business and personal .
I have not been on a plane in close to 10 years .
when business meetings are 'suggested ' to me , I only go when its absolutely necessary and urgent .
funny how things are n't really urgent or necessary after all.the airlines have lost about a decade of my travel ( money ) .
I used to travel the world ( had a nicely stamped passport and fully went around the world ) .
but not anymore .
I hate being treated like cattle ; and lately , worse.I simply opt not to travel by air .
I do n't travel too much , in general ; but certainly not by air.who has 'won ' here ?
I have lost since I lose a nice freedom I once had ( to travel and not be treated as a suspect-until-proven-innocent ) ; the US has lost much face to the world and I 'm not sure , exactly , what 'they , the arab world have gained at all .
I ca n't see one winner in this ( other than the power brokers in , say , republican interests ) .but seriously , we all have lost .
our rights and freedoms are vanishing before our eyes , DAILY ( literally ) and it all seems so pointless to give our freedoms away and have this 'terror ' never actually end.there will be children who grow up never knowing some of the basic human respect you and I once knew .
ie , from now on until you and I die ( assuming normal life expectancy ) this 'rule by fear and terror ' will still be going on .
in fact , this may be mankinds longest political game ; keep the population scared and they 'll be yours to control .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but how many of us take our comments beyond a Slashdot post?
I have refused to fly, for both business and personal.
I have not been on a plane in close to 10 years.
when business meetings are 'suggested' to me, I only go when its absolutely necessary and urgent.
funny how things aren't really urgent or necessary after all.the airlines have lost about a decade of my travel (money).
I used to travel the world (had a nicely stamped passport and fully went around the world).
but not anymore.
I hate being treated like cattle; and lately, worse.I simply opt not to travel by air.
I don't travel too much, in general; but certainly not by air.who has 'won' here?
I have lost since I lose a nice freedom I once had (to travel and not be treated as a suspect-until-proven-innocent); the US has lost much face to the world and I'm not sure, exactly, what 'they, the arab world have gained at all.
I can't see one winner in this (other than the power brokers in, say, republican interests).but seriously, we all have lost.
our rights and freedoms are vanishing before our eyes, DAILY (literally) and it all seems so pointless to give our freedoms away and have this 'terror' never actually end.there will be children who grow up never knowing some of the basic human respect you and I once knew.
ie, from now on until you and I die (assuming normal life expectancy) this 'rule by fear and terror' will still be going on.
in fact, this may be mankinds longest political game; keep the population scared and they'll be yours to control.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30565572</id>
	<title>Re:As the parent of a 1 year old. I say good luck</title>
	<author>SecurityGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1261908720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't Australia the country where you need you're nanny state to figure out which parts of the scawy interwebs you're allowed to see?</p><p>Stupidity knows no borders.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't Australia the country where you need you 're nanny state to figure out which parts of the scawy interwebs you 're allowed to see ? Stupidity knows no borders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't Australia the country where you need you're nanny state to figure out which parts of the scawy interwebs you're allowed to see?Stupidity knows no borders.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30570468</id>
	<title>Re:Typical cop response</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262012040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sir, if I had mod points, I would happily hand them over. Well fu**in' said.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sir , if I had mod points , I would happily hand them over .
Well fu * * in ' said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sir, if I had mod points, I would happily hand them over.
Well fu**in' said.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562094</id>
	<title>Re:How about not allowing direct flight from Niger</title>
	<author>amRadioHed</author>
	<datestamp>1261912080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's the most ridiculous thing about all this. Some TSA representative was quoted as saying they didn't have enough information to warrant putting this guy on the no-fly list. Apparently they had enough evidence on Ted Kennedy, one of the most senior US Senators at the time, to put him on the no-fly list, but a guy whos own father thought he was a dangerous zealot that the US should watch out for doesn't get on the list. Amazing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the most ridiculous thing about all this .
Some TSA representative was quoted as saying they did n't have enough information to warrant putting this guy on the no-fly list .
Apparently they had enough evidence on Ted Kennedy , one of the most senior US Senators at the time , to put him on the no-fly list , but a guy whos own father thought he was a dangerous zealot that the US should watch out for does n't get on the list .
Amazing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the most ridiculous thing about all this.
Some TSA representative was quoted as saying they didn't have enough information to warrant putting this guy on the no-fly list.
Apparently they had enough evidence on Ted Kennedy, one of the most senior US Senators at the time, to put him on the no-fly list, but a guy whos own father thought he was a dangerous zealot that the US should watch out for doesn't get on the list.
Amazing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561486</id>
	<title>10,000,000+ U.S. commerical flights annually....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261947300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And one dumb-ass giving his crotch second-degree burns is enough to cause these stupid policies for every one of these flights?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And one dumb-ass giving his crotch second-degree burns is enough to cause these stupid policies for every one of these flights ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And one dumb-ass giving his crotch second-degree burns is enough to cause these stupid policies for every one of these flights?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562636</id>
	<title>Makes it even more difficult to...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261922700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...get into the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mile\_high\_club" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">mile high club</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...get into the mile high club [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...get into the mile high club [wikipedia.org].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30566452</id>
	<title>Future of Terrorism</title>
	<author>pubwvj</author>
	<datestamp>1261916220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sooo... Next we'll have all the passengers traveling nude? Think: Two Chemicals. Two Implants. Twist nipples to activate. Big Boobed Bombers.

Besides, if you want to save the planet aren't you supposed to avoid air travel?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sooo... Next we 'll have all the passengers traveling nude ?
Think : Two Chemicals .
Two Implants .
Twist nipples to activate .
Big Boobed Bombers .
Besides , if you want to save the planet are n't you supposed to avoid air travel ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sooo... Next we'll have all the passengers traveling nude?
Think: Two Chemicals.
Two Implants.
Twist nipples to activate.
Big Boobed Bombers.
Besides, if you want to save the planet aren't you supposed to avoid air travel?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561382</id>
	<title>Prohibited Items</title>
	<author>jamesh</author>
	<datestamp>1261946280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The TSA's list of prohibited items doesn't seem to have changed in the last day, though.</p></div><p>Explosive devices aren't already listed?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The TSA 's list of prohibited items does n't seem to have changed in the last day , though.Explosive devices are n't already listed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The TSA's list of prohibited items doesn't seem to have changed in the last day, though.Explosive devices aren't already listed?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562152</id>
	<title>Re:Question</title>
	<author>wickerprints</author>
	<datestamp>1261913040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whatever you do, don't eat persimmons.  You just might turn the hypothetical into the palpably real.  Case in point:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF1pIMgE8FA" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF1pIMgE8FA</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whatever you do , do n't eat persimmons .
You just might turn the hypothetical into the palpably real .
Case in point : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = hF1pIMgE8FA [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whatever you do, don't eat persimmons.
You just might turn the hypothetical into the palpably real.
Case in point:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF1pIMgE8FA [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561590</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561780</id>
	<title>Re:Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261907760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I flew from Las Vegas to LA today so I have yet to see these tightened up rules.  At LAS I couldn't detect anything different and it was as though nothing unusual had happened yesterday.  The only unusual thing I experienced was a family so dense--in line ahead of me--that they couldn't get it together enough to get through the security scan in under 10 minutes while everyone waited behind them.  And oddly enough the TSA folks were unflinchingly polite about it all.  It took so long that I finally gathered up my bins and went to another line.</p><p>So, despite all the talk here it's not like it's instant crackdown in TSA land.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I flew from Las Vegas to LA today so I have yet to see these tightened up rules .
At LAS I could n't detect anything different and it was as though nothing unusual had happened yesterday .
The only unusual thing I experienced was a family so dense--in line ahead of me--that they could n't get it together enough to get through the security scan in under 10 minutes while everyone waited behind them .
And oddly enough the TSA folks were unflinchingly polite about it all .
It took so long that I finally gathered up my bins and went to another line.So , despite all the talk here it 's not like it 's instant crackdown in TSA land .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I flew from Las Vegas to LA today so I have yet to see these tightened up rules.
At LAS I couldn't detect anything different and it was as though nothing unusual had happened yesterday.
The only unusual thing I experienced was a family so dense--in line ahead of me--that they couldn't get it together enough to get through the security scan in under 10 minutes while everyone waited behind them.
And oddly enough the TSA folks were unflinchingly polite about it all.
It took so long that I finally gathered up my bins and went to another line.So, despite all the talk here it's not like it's instant crackdown in TSA land.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561470</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30569334</id>
	<title>So.</title>
	<author>BrookHarty</author>
	<datestamp>1261996500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When the 5000 laptops stolen a week from the baggage is at zero, I'll feel like airport security is doing it job.</p><p>BTW, Hell, I'd rather drive for 20 hours than fly. I can listen to my music, stop and eat. Look at the sights, oh, and use my phone, and my car never cancels my flight due to over booking, sits on the tarmac for 6 hours, 8 hour layovers, or has crying babies. Plus no rental cars needed when I get there.  Road trips are so much better than flying.</p><p>Even with gas prices, its cheaper to fly sometimes.  And my car seats are better than first class.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When the 5000 laptops stolen a week from the baggage is at zero , I 'll feel like airport security is doing it job.BTW , Hell , I 'd rather drive for 20 hours than fly .
I can listen to my music , stop and eat .
Look at the sights , oh , and use my phone , and my car never cancels my flight due to over booking , sits on the tarmac for 6 hours , 8 hour layovers , or has crying babies .
Plus no rental cars needed when I get there .
Road trips are so much better than flying.Even with gas prices , its cheaper to fly sometimes .
And my car seats are better than first class .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When the 5000 laptops stolen a week from the baggage is at zero, I'll feel like airport security is doing it job.BTW, Hell, I'd rather drive for 20 hours than fly.
I can listen to my music, stop and eat.
Look at the sights, oh, and use my phone, and my car never cancels my flight due to over booking, sits on the tarmac for 6 hours, 8 hour layovers, or has crying babies.
Plus no rental cars needed when I get there.
Road trips are so much better than flying.Even with gas prices, its cheaper to fly sometimes.
And my car seats are better than first class.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561986</id>
	<title>Re:Yesterday's "foiled" bombing attempt?</title>
	<author>flyingfsck</author>
	<datestamp>1261910580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If only.  He successfully set off a detonator.  The explosives fortunately did not explode.  I can explain why, but pretty soon they may get it right without my help.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If only .
He successfully set off a detonator .
The explosives fortunately did not explode .
I can explain why , but pretty soon they may get it right without my help .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If only.
He successfully set off a detonator.
The explosives fortunately did not explode.
I can explain why, but pretty soon they may get it right without my help.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561454</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30567366</id>
	<title>Re:The "Terrorists" win again...</title>
	<author>dbIII</author>
	<datestamp>1261924260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It turns out he was already on the watch list because his father warned a US embassy that he was going to do this.<br>Various excuses have been given as to why that was not enough, such as the list being too large to actually be used for checks - it appears the security theatre is getting in the way of real security.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It turns out he was already on the watch list because his father warned a US embassy that he was going to do this.Various excuses have been given as to why that was not enough , such as the list being too large to actually be used for checks - it appears the security theatre is getting in the way of real security .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It turns out he was already on the watch list because his father warned a US embassy that he was going to do this.Various excuses have been given as to why that was not enough, such as the list being too large to actually be used for checks - it appears the security theatre is getting in the way of real security.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561848</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30564194</id>
	<title>Re:Question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261940340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Simple, just say you really have to go to the bathroom, and if they respond with "Sorry sir, you are not allowed to do that right now," say, "Okay, if you don't trust me and you don't want me to shit all over your lovely seats, why not watch me while I'm taking a dump, or keep the door open, if that's fine with your other passengers?" That should scare them enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Simple , just say you really have to go to the bathroom , and if they respond with " Sorry sir , you are not allowed to do that right now , " say , " Okay , if you do n't trust me and you do n't want me to shit all over your lovely seats , why not watch me while I 'm taking a dump , or keep the door open , if that 's fine with your other passengers ?
" That should scare them enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Simple, just say you really have to go to the bathroom, and if they respond with "Sorry sir, you are not allowed to do that right now," say, "Okay, if you don't trust me and you don't want me to shit all over your lovely seats, why not watch me while I'm taking a dump, or keep the door open, if that's fine with your other passengers?
" That should scare them enough.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561590</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562804</id>
	<title>Don't be fooled</title>
	<author>jmv</author>
	<datestamp>1261925040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This isn't about terrorism, it's all about reducing carbon emissions by convincing people to stop flying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't about terrorism , it 's all about reducing carbon emissions by convincing people to stop flying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't about terrorism, it's all about reducing carbon emissions by convincing people to stop flying.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562748</id>
	<title>Re:NO!</title>
	<author>rubi</author>
	<datestamp>1261924440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll go for the <b>obtuse</b> part!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll go for the obtuse part !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll go for the obtuse part!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561762</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562032</id>
	<title>ok, @#$\% this</title>
	<author>seeker\_1us</author>
	<datestamp>1261911060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some jagoff lights a firecracker.
<p>
The TSA losers failed to prevent him from getting on the plane with a firecracker.
</p><p>
Now they are saying "well we need to treat you all like prisoners now."
</p><p>
You know what, the terrorists just won, with a @#$\%ing firecracker.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some jagoff lights a firecracker .
The TSA losers failed to prevent him from getting on the plane with a firecracker .
Now they are saying " well we need to treat you all like prisoners now .
" You know what , the terrorists just won , with a @ # $ \ % ing firecracker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some jagoff lights a firecracker.
The TSA losers failed to prevent him from getting on the plane with a firecracker.
Now they are saying "well we need to treat you all like prisoners now.
"

You know what, the terrorists just won, with a @#$\%ing firecracker.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30564134</id>
	<title>Re:What this incident proved...</title>
	<author>Dare nMc</author>
	<datestamp>1261939860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>No TSA or air marshalls needed.</p></div><p>  what makes you think that?  No mention of the name of who this hero is, this was a person very alert and un-afraid to attack when those much closer had no clue what was going on, and who's job appears to require anonymity.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No TSA or air marshalls needed .
what makes you think that ?
No mention of the name of who this hero is , this was a person very alert and un-afraid to attack when those much closer had no clue what was going on , and who 's job appears to require anonymity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No TSA or air marshalls needed.
what makes you think that?
No mention of the name of who this hero is, this was a person very alert and un-afraid to attack when those much closer had no clue what was going on, and who's job appears to require anonymity.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561462</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562182</id>
	<title>Re:They now need a "pee fee" - not what you think</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261913760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's the "if you're a moral person you don't need to be practical" cop-out. At the end of the day, you're going to care about providing for yourself, your children, or your parents more than you care about being a drop in the pond for some "moral" effort that you'll probably never see the effects of. I mean, are you looking into every single product you wear or use and refusing to buy the ones that have negative impacts on other people? I doubt it. Most people don't. A soapbox is nice, but some people would rather have the soap inside than your nice speech.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the " if you 're a moral person you do n't need to be practical " cop-out .
At the end of the day , you 're going to care about providing for yourself , your children , or your parents more than you care about being a drop in the pond for some " moral " effort that you 'll probably never see the effects of .
I mean , are you looking into every single product you wear or use and refusing to buy the ones that have negative impacts on other people ?
I doubt it .
Most people do n't .
A soapbox is nice , but some people would rather have the soap inside than your nice speech .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the "if you're a moral person you don't need to be practical" cop-out.
At the end of the day, you're going to care about providing for yourself, your children, or your parents more than you care about being a drop in the pond for some "moral" effort that you'll probably never see the effects of.
I mean, are you looking into every single product you wear or use and refusing to buy the ones that have negative impacts on other people?
I doubt it.
Most people don't.
A soapbox is nice, but some people would rather have the soap inside than your nice speech.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561664</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30564148</id>
	<title>Re:Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>DavidTC</author>
	<datestamp>1261939920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <b>AMEN</b> </p><p>
I'm of the opinion that the TSA should be required to set up a fake airport security checkpoint. And anyone can pay $25 to go through it. The security can be as tight as possible, but they have to actually follow the rules they use at real checkpoints. On the other side, you have access to anything that would be sold in an airport or on an airplane, along with private areas to put things together.</p><p>
<b>Anything anyone gets on the other side should remove the rules barring similar items</b>.</p><p>
Within two hours, someone will have managed to smuggle razor blades through. (Probably inside a laptop.) Other people will have disassembled their luggage handles to make spears.</p><p>
Within a few hours, people cycling in and out will have collected several gallons of 'explosive' liquid in a private area.</p><p>
Oh, and we've already demonstrated that people who are on the terrorist watch list can fly on airplanes without fake IDs. (Buy the ticket under  a fake name, present a fake boarding pass and <b>real</b> ID to the security checkpoint, and then use your real boarding pass to get on whatever plane you want.)</p><p>
There's a guy up there who's a real security airplane expert who is pointing out 'violations of quarantine' and stuff like that, where people could presumably get stuff on airplanes without going through security screening.</p><p>
But that is a failure of process. And even I can tell that, even if the process were perfect, even if we could magically keep exactly the stuff off planes we want to keep off planes, that you could replicate almost everything in some way by what is allowed. And I'm not some sort of McGuyer-ish genius.</p><p>
Oh, and this instance demonstrates the same thing with the no-fly list. Even if people on the no-fly list could be kept off planes, apparently there's plenty of reported terrorists on FBI watchlists who aren't on the no-fly list. Whereas there are a lot of people on the no-fly list who clearly shouldn't be there. It's not just a failure of process, it's a failure of <b>design</b> that is totally obscured by the failure of process!</p><p>
At some point we're going to have to start some civil disobedience. Buy tickets, go through security checkpoints with no prohibited items, and start assembling a large collect of liquids, or building spears and knifes and garrotes <b>right past the checkpoint</b>, using <b>legal</b> items, in blatant view of everyone. Get ten people, arm a goddamn army, and try to get on your plane.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AMEN I 'm of the opinion that the TSA should be required to set up a fake airport security checkpoint .
And anyone can pay $ 25 to go through it .
The security can be as tight as possible , but they have to actually follow the rules they use at real checkpoints .
On the other side , you have access to anything that would be sold in an airport or on an airplane , along with private areas to put things together .
Anything anyone gets on the other side should remove the rules barring similar items .
Within two hours , someone will have managed to smuggle razor blades through .
( Probably inside a laptop .
) Other people will have disassembled their luggage handles to make spears .
Within a few hours , people cycling in and out will have collected several gallons of 'explosive ' liquid in a private area .
Oh , and we 've already demonstrated that people who are on the terrorist watch list can fly on airplanes without fake IDs .
( Buy the ticket under a fake name , present a fake boarding pass and real ID to the security checkpoint , and then use your real boarding pass to get on whatever plane you want .
) There 's a guy up there who 's a real security airplane expert who is pointing out 'violations of quarantine ' and stuff like that , where people could presumably get stuff on airplanes without going through security screening .
But that is a failure of process .
And even I can tell that , even if the process were perfect , even if we could magically keep exactly the stuff off planes we want to keep off planes , that you could replicate almost everything in some way by what is allowed .
And I 'm not some sort of McGuyer-ish genius .
Oh , and this instance demonstrates the same thing with the no-fly list .
Even if people on the no-fly list could be kept off planes , apparently there 's plenty of reported terrorists on FBI watchlists who are n't on the no-fly list .
Whereas there are a lot of people on the no-fly list who clearly should n't be there .
It 's not just a failure of process , it 's a failure of design that is totally obscured by the failure of process !
At some point we 're going to have to start some civil disobedience .
Buy tickets , go through security checkpoints with no prohibited items , and start assembling a large collect of liquids , or building spears and knifes and garrotes right past the checkpoint , using legal items , in blatant view of everyone .
Get ten people , arm a goddamn army , and try to get on your plane .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> AMEN 
I'm of the opinion that the TSA should be required to set up a fake airport security checkpoint.
And anyone can pay $25 to go through it.
The security can be as tight as possible, but they have to actually follow the rules they use at real checkpoints.
On the other side, you have access to anything that would be sold in an airport or on an airplane, along with private areas to put things together.
Anything anyone gets on the other side should remove the rules barring similar items.
Within two hours, someone will have managed to smuggle razor blades through.
(Probably inside a laptop.
) Other people will have disassembled their luggage handles to make spears.
Within a few hours, people cycling in and out will have collected several gallons of 'explosive' liquid in a private area.
Oh, and we've already demonstrated that people who are on the terrorist watch list can fly on airplanes without fake IDs.
(Buy the ticket under  a fake name, present a fake boarding pass and real ID to the security checkpoint, and then use your real boarding pass to get on whatever plane you want.
)
There's a guy up there who's a real security airplane expert who is pointing out 'violations of quarantine' and stuff like that, where people could presumably get stuff on airplanes without going through security screening.
But that is a failure of process.
And even I can tell that, even if the process were perfect, even if we could magically keep exactly the stuff off planes we want to keep off planes, that you could replicate almost everything in some way by what is allowed.
And I'm not some sort of McGuyer-ish genius.
Oh, and this instance demonstrates the same thing with the no-fly list.
Even if people on the no-fly list could be kept off planes, apparently there's plenty of reported terrorists on FBI watchlists who aren't on the no-fly list.
Whereas there are a lot of people on the no-fly list who clearly shouldn't be there.
It's not just a failure of process, it's a failure of design that is totally obscured by the failure of process!
At some point we're going to have to start some civil disobedience.
Buy tickets, go through security checkpoints with no prohibited items, and start assembling a large collect of liquids, or building spears and knifes and garrotes right past the checkpoint, using legal items, in blatant view of everyone.
Get ten people, arm a goddamn army, and try to get on your plane.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562352</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562202</id>
	<title>Re:Alternatives</title>
	<author>baegucb</author>
	<datestamp>1261914240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Simple solution: fly to Canada and rent a car/take a train or bus, or a Caribbean island and take a boat. You'll still get questioned at the border but it avoids the TSA airport stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Simple solution : fly to Canada and rent a car/take a train or bus , or a Caribbean island and take a boat .
You 'll still get questioned at the border but it avoids the TSA airport stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Simple solution: fly to Canada and rent a car/take a train or bus, or a Caribbean island and take a boat.
You'll still get questioned at the border but it avoids the TSA airport stuff.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562004</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561924</id>
	<title>Re:International Standards???</title>
	<author>Secret Rabbit</author>
	<datestamp>1261909920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Measures to prevent this were in place before the incident happened both in the US and elsewhere.  The problem isn't the rules (pre-9/11 rules were enough).  The problem is the complete moron who is employed to enforce them.</p><p>Another problem is that the typical moron walking around doesn't realise that one just plain can't do everything.  A free society comes with risks.  Deal with it.  Hell, a police state can't prevent this sort of thing if the person wanting to do something is even remotely clever.</p><p>The point of airport security is to have a high probability of catching the clumsy and the stupid.  Anything beyond that and innocent people are significantly compromised (by inconvenience and liberties and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...) for an insignificant (at best) increase in security.</p><p>All I have to say about this sort of thing is that the response is, again, just fucking embarrassing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Measures to prevent this were in place before the incident happened both in the US and elsewhere .
The problem is n't the rules ( pre-9/11 rules were enough ) .
The problem is the complete moron who is employed to enforce them.Another problem is that the typical moron walking around does n't realise that one just plain ca n't do everything .
A free society comes with risks .
Deal with it .
Hell , a police state ca n't prevent this sort of thing if the person wanting to do something is even remotely clever.The point of airport security is to have a high probability of catching the clumsy and the stupid .
Anything beyond that and innocent people are significantly compromised ( by inconvenience and liberties and ... ) for an insignificant ( at best ) increase in security.All I have to say about this sort of thing is that the response is , again , just fucking embarrassing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Measures to prevent this were in place before the incident happened both in the US and elsewhere.
The problem isn't the rules (pre-9/11 rules were enough).
The problem is the complete moron who is employed to enforce them.Another problem is that the typical moron walking around doesn't realise that one just plain can't do everything.
A free society comes with risks.
Deal with it.
Hell, a police state can't prevent this sort of thing if the person wanting to do something is even remotely clever.The point of airport security is to have a high probability of catching the clumsy and the stupid.
Anything beyond that and innocent people are significantly compromised (by inconvenience and liberties and ...) for an insignificant (at best) increase in security.All I have to say about this sort of thing is that the response is, again, just fucking embarrassing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30564018</id>
	<title>Re:How about not allowing direct flight from Niger</title>
	<author>DavidTC</author>
	<datestamp>1261938420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>And while you are at it if some guy in Nigeria goes to the US embassy and says look out for my son here is his name then bloody look out for that name in visa requests and think twice before granting it.</i> </p><p>
You know what would be nice? If we had a list of names of, you know, people who were considered to be possible terrorists, so we could keep them off any flights in the US.</p><p>
Instead, this guy just got put on some FBI watchlist, which of course airline passengers can't be checked against. If we had this hypothetical 'no-fly' list, he surely would have automatically been put on there. I mean, it would be the height of foolishness to actually have suspected terrorists that the government knows are suspected terrorists not be put on there.</p><p>
Of course, if we had such a list, we'd probably have all sort of bitching because we'd put names like Cat Stevens and Ted Kennedy on it, but of course there'd be some sort of way for them to get removed, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And while you are at it if some guy in Nigeria goes to the US embassy and says look out for my son here is his name then bloody look out for that name in visa requests and think twice before granting it .
You know what would be nice ?
If we had a list of names of , you know , people who were considered to be possible terrorists , so we could keep them off any flights in the US .
Instead , this guy just got put on some FBI watchlist , which of course airline passengers ca n't be checked against .
If we had this hypothetical 'no-fly ' list , he surely would have automatically been put on there .
I mean , it would be the height of foolishness to actually have suspected terrorists that the government knows are suspected terrorists not be put on there .
Of course , if we had such a list , we 'd probably have all sort of bitching because we 'd put names like Cat Stevens and Ted Kennedy on it , but of course there 'd be some sort of way for them to get removed , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> And while you are at it if some guy in Nigeria goes to the US embassy and says look out for my son here is his name then bloody look out for that name in visa requests and think twice before granting it.
You know what would be nice?
If we had a list of names of, you know, people who were considered to be possible terrorists, so we could keep them off any flights in the US.
Instead, this guy just got put on some FBI watchlist, which of course airline passengers can't be checked against.
If we had this hypothetical 'no-fly' list, he surely would have automatically been put on there.
I mean, it would be the height of foolishness to actually have suspected terrorists that the government knows are suspected terrorists not be put on there.
Of course, if we had such a list, we'd probably have all sort of bitching because we'd put names like Cat Stevens and Ted Kennedy on it, but of course there'd be some sort of way for them to get removed, right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562226</id>
	<title>Re:Enough of this shit already</title>
	<author>WetCat</author>
	<datestamp>1261914660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try to call your representative about it. Also try to elect a representative, who is opposed of such moves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try to call your representative about it .
Also try to elect a representative , who is opposed of such moves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try to call your representative about it.
Also try to elect a representative, who is opposed of such moves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30567008</id>
	<title>Re:Prohibited Items</title>
	<author>ignavus</author>
	<datestamp>1261920960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just make it a criminal offence to travel by air.</p><p>Problem solved!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just make it a criminal offence to travel by air.Problem solved !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just make it a criminal offence to travel by air.Problem solved!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30573918</id>
	<title>Re:Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262029140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Vegas and LA are inside the USA, Einstein. The "new" regulations are from planes flying INTO the US from OUTSIDE - ya'all know, the world?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Vegas and LA are inside the USA , Einstein .
The " new " regulations are from planes flying INTO the US from OUTSIDE - ya'all know , the world ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vegas and LA are inside the USA, Einstein.
The "new" regulations are from planes flying INTO the US from OUTSIDE - ya'all know, the world?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561780</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561522</id>
	<title>Enough of this shit already</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261904580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Number of people dead from an airplane incident this year: 0<br>
Number of people dead from car accidents this year: tens of thousands<br>
Number of people dead from cancer this year: hundreds of thousands<br>
Number of people inconvenienced because of stupid airline regulations: millions<br>
Number of people losing their livelihood due to reduced tourism to the USA: probably tens of thousands<br>
Number of people dieing as an indirect cause of airline regulations: probably more than the victims of terrorism this year<br>
Number of people failing to comprehend basic statistics: hundreds of millions<br> <br>
Seriously, enough of this madness. It was a foiled bombing attempt that came with the usual Al Quaeda franchise branding. I certainly don't care about the original news more than a few brief lines about it on some buried page on the BBC's website, however it's pissing me off in a major way that a lot of people seem to think this is a big deal. It's not!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Number of people dead from an airplane incident this year : 0 Number of people dead from car accidents this year : tens of thousands Number of people dead from cancer this year : hundreds of thousands Number of people inconvenienced because of stupid airline regulations : millions Number of people losing their livelihood due to reduced tourism to the USA : probably tens of thousands Number of people dieing as an indirect cause of airline regulations : probably more than the victims of terrorism this year Number of people failing to comprehend basic statistics : hundreds of millions Seriously , enough of this madness .
It was a foiled bombing attempt that came with the usual Al Quaeda franchise branding .
I certainly do n't care about the original news more than a few brief lines about it on some buried page on the BBC 's website , however it 's pissing me off in a major way that a lot of people seem to think this is a big deal .
It 's not !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Number of people dead from an airplane incident this year: 0
Number of people dead from car accidents this year: tens of thousands
Number of people dead from cancer this year: hundreds of thousands
Number of people inconvenienced because of stupid airline regulations: millions
Number of people losing their livelihood due to reduced tourism to the USA: probably tens of thousands
Number of people dieing as an indirect cause of airline regulations: probably more than the victims of terrorism this year
Number of people failing to comprehend basic statistics: hundreds of millions 
Seriously, enough of this madness.
It was a foiled bombing attempt that came with the usual Al Quaeda franchise branding.
I certainly don't care about the original news more than a few brief lines about it on some buried page on the BBC's website, however it's pissing me off in a major way that a lot of people seem to think this is a big deal.
It's not!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562076</id>
	<title>Its never going to work</title>
	<author>jonwil</author>
	<datestamp>1261911720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am not an expert in weapons or killing people by any means but give me some time in the passenger cabin of an empty airplane (i.e. an airplane with just its standard equipment BEFORE any luggage, carry-on bags or passengers have been loaded) and easily find a way to kill someone (be it the pilots, flight attendants or passengers) and even to compromise the integrity of the aircraft should I want to do that.</p><p>An Al Queda operative with training would have an even easier job of doing so and could attack an airplane (with the aim to bring it down or to kill the pilots or whatever) even if the government takes this crap to the logical conclusion and bans anyone from bringing anything into the passenger cabin of an airplane except for a TSA issued orange jumpsuit.</p><p>But as long as the sheeple continue to believe the lies and FUD fed to them by the corporate media and continues to demand "action" on terrorism, we will see this kind of crap going on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not an expert in weapons or killing people by any means but give me some time in the passenger cabin of an empty airplane ( i.e .
an airplane with just its standard equipment BEFORE any luggage , carry-on bags or passengers have been loaded ) and easily find a way to kill someone ( be it the pilots , flight attendants or passengers ) and even to compromise the integrity of the aircraft should I want to do that.An Al Queda operative with training would have an even easier job of doing so and could attack an airplane ( with the aim to bring it down or to kill the pilots or whatever ) even if the government takes this crap to the logical conclusion and bans anyone from bringing anything into the passenger cabin of an airplane except for a TSA issued orange jumpsuit.But as long as the sheeple continue to believe the lies and FUD fed to them by the corporate media and continues to demand " action " on terrorism , we will see this kind of crap going on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not an expert in weapons or killing people by any means but give me some time in the passenger cabin of an empty airplane (i.e.
an airplane with just its standard equipment BEFORE any luggage, carry-on bags or passengers have been loaded) and easily find a way to kill someone (be it the pilots, flight attendants or passengers) and even to compromise the integrity of the aircraft should I want to do that.An Al Queda operative with training would have an even easier job of doing so and could attack an airplane (with the aim to bring it down or to kill the pilots or whatever) even if the government takes this crap to the logical conclusion and bans anyone from bringing anything into the passenger cabin of an airplane except for a TSA issued orange jumpsuit.But as long as the sheeple continue to believe the lies and FUD fed to them by the corporate media and continues to demand "action" on terrorism, we will see this kind of crap going on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561614</id>
	<title>I guess I'll just start getting arrested</title>
	<author>OrangeTide</author>
	<datestamp>1261905420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As much as I would like to avoid federal charges, if I've gotta go, I've gotta go. And forcing my way past flight attendants and taking the inevitable bullshit when I finally land is what I assume will happen to me on future flights.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As much as I would like to avoid federal charges , if I 've got ta go , I 've got ta go .
And forcing my way past flight attendants and taking the inevitable bullshit when I finally land is what I assume will happen to me on future flights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As much as I would like to avoid federal charges, if I've gotta go, I've gotta go.
And forcing my way past flight attendants and taking the inevitable bullshit when I finally land is what I assume will happen to me on future flights.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562910</id>
	<title>Re:I'm already seeing...</title>
	<author>RichM</author>
	<datestamp>1261926480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ok, fine.
But only if I can have Kim Bauer next to me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , fine .
But only if I can have Kim Bauer next to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, fine.
But only if I can have Kim Bauer next to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563308</id>
	<title>Re:Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>tyldis</author>
	<datestamp>1261931160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have a few limited points.<br>* Photos: All electronic equipment must be switched off. I bet it's a digital camera?<br>* Music: Same goes. If you have the plugs in your ear you are most likely listening and you were not able to hear the attendants telling you ti switch it off.<br>* Blanket: If there is an emergency that blanket will cost lives. Try exiting a seat row in a hurry when the person next to the isle has a blanket. Same goes for any larger item of clothing and shoes. Shoes are to be on during takeoff/landing for the same reason.<br>These things have nothing to do with terrorist paranoia. You could argue how much a digicam or MP3 player interfere with the instruments, but instead of relying on you or the flights attendants to recognize what is dangerous and what is not, it is way safer to keep it all turned off.</p><p>I've worked with a wide range of airports and knows some of this from the inside. I also know enough to be confident that the security measures in place after 9/11 are not that hard to defeat.<br>I have also declined visiting the US because of the hostility you are faced with even when coming from an allied country, but that is unrelated to airport security.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have a few limited points .
* Photos : All electronic equipment must be switched off .
I bet it 's a digital camera ?
* Music : Same goes .
If you have the plugs in your ear you are most likely listening and you were not able to hear the attendants telling you ti switch it off .
* Blanket : If there is an emergency that blanket will cost lives .
Try exiting a seat row in a hurry when the person next to the isle has a blanket .
Same goes for any larger item of clothing and shoes .
Shoes are to be on during takeoff/landing for the same reason.These things have nothing to do with terrorist paranoia .
You could argue how much a digicam or MP3 player interfere with the instruments , but instead of relying on you or the flights attendants to recognize what is dangerous and what is not , it is way safer to keep it all turned off.I 've worked with a wide range of airports and knows some of this from the inside .
I also know enough to be confident that the security measures in place after 9/11 are not that hard to defeat.I have also declined visiting the US because of the hostility you are faced with even when coming from an allied country , but that is unrelated to airport security .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have a few limited points.
* Photos: All electronic equipment must be switched off.
I bet it's a digital camera?
* Music: Same goes.
If you have the plugs in your ear you are most likely listening and you were not able to hear the attendants telling you ti switch it off.
* Blanket: If there is an emergency that blanket will cost lives.
Try exiting a seat row in a hurry when the person next to the isle has a blanket.
Same goes for any larger item of clothing and shoes.
Shoes are to be on during takeoff/landing for the same reason.These things have nothing to do with terrorist paranoia.
You could argue how much a digicam or MP3 player interfere with the instruments, but instead of relying on you or the flights attendants to recognize what is dangerous and what is not, it is way safer to keep it all turned off.I've worked with a wide range of airports and knows some of this from the inside.
I also know enough to be confident that the security measures in place after 9/11 are not that hard to defeat.I have also declined visiting the US because of the hostility you are faced with even when coming from an allied country, but that is unrelated to airport security.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561762</id>
	<title>Re:NO!</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1261907400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Especially because the terrorist in question remained in his seat the whole time.</p><p>In fact, the only person who seems to have left his seat is the guy who got up to stop the attack. So, should he have remained seated instead?</p></div><p>Exactly - how on earth did the TSA come up with such seemingly braindead directive? Makes you think that either there's someone incredibly cunning, or a sufficiently large group of utterly unimaginative and obtuse individuals work for the TSA.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Especially because the terrorist in question remained in his seat the whole time.In fact , the only person who seems to have left his seat is the guy who got up to stop the attack .
So , should he have remained seated instead ? Exactly - how on earth did the TSA come up with such seemingly braindead directive ?
Makes you think that either there 's someone incredibly cunning , or a sufficiently large group of utterly unimaginative and obtuse individuals work for the TSA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Especially because the terrorist in question remained in his seat the whole time.In fact, the only person who seems to have left his seat is the guy who got up to stop the attack.
So, should he have remained seated instead?Exactly - how on earth did the TSA come up with such seemingly braindead directive?
Makes you think that either there's someone incredibly cunning, or a sufficiently large group of utterly unimaginative and obtuse individuals work for the TSA.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563296</id>
	<title>Re:The "Terrorists" win again...</title>
	<author>ColdWetDog</author>
	<datestamp>1261931100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>All a would-be "terrorist" have to do is go, "BOO", to get the US to spend billions of dollars to fight against the next "BOO".

Go "BOO" enough times and the US will spend itself into financial ruin. Wait -- that's happening NOW!</p></div></blockquote><p>

Boy, isn't that the truth.  Now you don't actually have to kill anybody to create economic and psychic disruption in the US.  Just pull off some half assed stunt with smoke and sparklers.  <br> <br>
Ni! Ni!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All a would-be " terrorist " have to do is go , " BOO " , to get the US to spend billions of dollars to fight against the next " BOO " .
Go " BOO " enough times and the US will spend itself into financial ruin .
Wait -- that 's happening NOW !
Boy , is n't that the truth .
Now you do n't actually have to kill anybody to create economic and psychic disruption in the US .
Just pull off some half assed stunt with smoke and sparklers .
Ni ! Ni !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All a would-be "terrorist" have to do is go, "BOO", to get the US to spend billions of dollars to fight against the next "BOO".
Go "BOO" enough times and the US will spend itself into financial ruin.
Wait -- that's happening NOW!
Boy, isn't that the truth.
Now you don't actually have to kill anybody to create economic and psychic disruption in the US.
Just pull off some half assed stunt with smoke and sparklers.
Ni! Ni!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561848</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561532</id>
	<title>Just take a train.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261904700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Trains may take longer but you can walk around and see the country side. No lines and relax and talk with those around you.<br>Oh and you can use you cell phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Trains may take longer but you can walk around and see the country side .
No lines and relax and talk with those around you.Oh and you can use you cell phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Trains may take longer but you can walk around and see the country side.
No lines and relax and talk with those around you.Oh and you can use you cell phone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562934</id>
	<title>Re:Question</title>
	<author>kramerd</author>
	<datestamp>1261926720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Im guessing they will make lots of announcements beforehand and encourage people to go before the time limit, and then enforce the rule by arresting anyone who leaves their seat to go shit on a plane. After all, if its not worth getting arrested, you probably didnt have to go that badly...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Im guessing they will make lots of announcements beforehand and encourage people to go before the time limit , and then enforce the rule by arresting anyone who leaves their seat to go shit on a plane .
After all , if its not worth getting arrested , you probably didnt have to go that badly.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Im guessing they will make lots of announcements beforehand and encourage people to go before the time limit, and then enforce the rule by arresting anyone who leaves their seat to go shit on a plane.
After all, if its not worth getting arrested, you probably didnt have to go that badly...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30566884</id>
	<title>Re:They now need a "pee fee" - not what you think</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261920060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nazi's were 'just doing their job' too.  This latest episode of "Security Theater" doesn't do a DAMN thing to protect anyone against a determined attacker.  What did work was passengers and crew on the flight pummeling the schmuck into submission...</p><p>What's the point of sitting down with your hands out, etc. for the first and last hour of a flight?  Yeah, sure it's probably more spectacular if something happens during those time frames (from the point of a terrorist anyway), but really - when you get right down to it, what's to stop them from simply committing a nefarious act at some other point during the flight?  Is there some rule of conduct followed by Terrorists that I don't know of?  Perhaps it's "Terrorist Guild Rule 1.157a.  Commission of Terrorist Acts.  An Act, as defined hereinabove may only be committed against an airliner in active flight during the first, or last hour of the flight schedule only."</p><p>Yeah right...  total kneejerk reaction.  Just take the next step already - prohibit ANY carry on luggage or items whatsoever.  Everything gets checked.  Everything is insured and at the total liability of the Airlines.  Then all of this "get your crap in the overheads" business is over with immediately.  But then you still have the problem of clothing... what to do, what to do...</p><p>The simple solution is staring us in the face - EVERYONE who wants to get certified to conceal carry a deadly weapon on a plane is allowed to.  Go thru the background check, pay a $100 fee.  Take a class once a year to keep your certification.  Then when you have 200+ people armed on a flight, all this stupid bullshit ends.  Terrorists will move on to another target.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nazi 's were 'just doing their job ' too .
This latest episode of " Security Theater " does n't do a DAMN thing to protect anyone against a determined attacker .
What did work was passengers and crew on the flight pummeling the schmuck into submission...What 's the point of sitting down with your hands out , etc .
for the first and last hour of a flight ?
Yeah , sure it 's probably more spectacular if something happens during those time frames ( from the point of a terrorist anyway ) , but really - when you get right down to it , what 's to stop them from simply committing a nefarious act at some other point during the flight ?
Is there some rule of conduct followed by Terrorists that I do n't know of ?
Perhaps it 's " Terrorist Guild Rule 1.157a .
Commission of Terrorist Acts .
An Act , as defined hereinabove may only be committed against an airliner in active flight during the first , or last hour of the flight schedule only .
" Yeah right... total kneejerk reaction .
Just take the next step already - prohibit ANY carry on luggage or items whatsoever .
Everything gets checked .
Everything is insured and at the total liability of the Airlines .
Then all of this " get your crap in the overheads " business is over with immediately .
But then you still have the problem of clothing... what to do , what to do...The simple solution is staring us in the face - EVERYONE who wants to get certified to conceal carry a deadly weapon on a plane is allowed to .
Go thru the background check , pay a $ 100 fee .
Take a class once a year to keep your certification .
Then when you have 200 + people armed on a flight , all this stupid bullshit ends .
Terrorists will move on to another target .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nazi's were 'just doing their job' too.
This latest episode of "Security Theater" doesn't do a DAMN thing to protect anyone against a determined attacker.
What did work was passengers and crew on the flight pummeling the schmuck into submission...What's the point of sitting down with your hands out, etc.
for the first and last hour of a flight?
Yeah, sure it's probably more spectacular if something happens during those time frames (from the point of a terrorist anyway), but really - when you get right down to it, what's to stop them from simply committing a nefarious act at some other point during the flight?
Is there some rule of conduct followed by Terrorists that I don't know of?
Perhaps it's "Terrorist Guild Rule 1.157a.
Commission of Terrorist Acts.
An Act, as defined hereinabove may only be committed against an airliner in active flight during the first, or last hour of the flight schedule only.
"Yeah right...  total kneejerk reaction.
Just take the next step already - prohibit ANY carry on luggage or items whatsoever.
Everything gets checked.
Everything is insured and at the total liability of the Airlines.
Then all of this "get your crap in the overheads" business is over with immediately.
But then you still have the problem of clothing... what to do, what to do...The simple solution is staring us in the face - EVERYONE who wants to get certified to conceal carry a deadly weapon on a plane is allowed to.
Go thru the background check, pay a $100 fee.
Take a class once a year to keep your certification.
Then when you have 200+ people armed on a flight, all this stupid bullshit ends.
Terrorists will move on to another target.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561664</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561862</id>
	<title>Of course they're listed.</title>
	<author>SanityInAnarchy</author>
	<datestamp>1261909200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Scroll down -- there's a clearly-labeled section detailing which kinds of explosive are allowed and which aren't.</p><p>But see, this is one truly moronic result of security theater -- first, the explicit list of specific stuff you can't bring is also an implicit list of stuff you can. If I were an aspiring terrorist, I'd be reading through that thinking, "Hmm, a golf club would be really useful, but they're banned... I'll just bring a stick of rebar instead." That's the problem with security theater in general -- you're preparing for specific attacks, and by publicly preparing for those, you guarantee that the terrorists won't use that attack -- they'll use something else.</p><p>The second problem is that the list in itself is a list of ideas if you can manage to sneak that stuff past security. "Hmm, a spillable battery -- that's a good idea. I just have to put it in a wheelchair and pretend to be disabled..."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Scroll down -- there 's a clearly-labeled section detailing which kinds of explosive are allowed and which are n't.But see , this is one truly moronic result of security theater -- first , the explicit list of specific stuff you ca n't bring is also an implicit list of stuff you can .
If I were an aspiring terrorist , I 'd be reading through that thinking , " Hmm , a golf club would be really useful , but they 're banned... I 'll just bring a stick of rebar instead .
" That 's the problem with security theater in general -- you 're preparing for specific attacks , and by publicly preparing for those , you guarantee that the terrorists wo n't use that attack -- they 'll use something else.The second problem is that the list in itself is a list of ideas if you can manage to sneak that stuff past security .
" Hmm , a spillable battery -- that 's a good idea .
I just have to put it in a wheelchair and pretend to be disabled... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Scroll down -- there's a clearly-labeled section detailing which kinds of explosive are allowed and which aren't.But see, this is one truly moronic result of security theater -- first, the explicit list of specific stuff you can't bring is also an implicit list of stuff you can.
If I were an aspiring terrorist, I'd be reading through that thinking, "Hmm, a golf club would be really useful, but they're banned... I'll just bring a stick of rebar instead.
" That's the problem with security theater in general -- you're preparing for specific attacks, and by publicly preparing for those, you guarantee that the terrorists won't use that attack -- they'll use something else.The second problem is that the list in itself is a list of ideas if you can manage to sneak that stuff past security.
"Hmm, a spillable battery -- that's a good idea.
I just have to put it in a wheelchair and pretend to be disabled..."</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561382</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30565836</id>
	<title>Culture Jamming</title>
	<author>Tokolosh</author>
	<datestamp>1261911000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a case of highly successful culture jamming.</p><p>Reagan brought down the USSR by inducing it to self-implode in responding to "Star Wars" - no matter that Star Wars did not work.  Bin Laden has found a much more cost-effective way of making the USA implode itself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a case of highly successful culture jamming.Reagan brought down the USSR by inducing it to self-implode in responding to " Star Wars " - no matter that Star Wars did not work .
Bin Laden has found a much more cost-effective way of making the USA implode itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a case of highly successful culture jamming.Reagan brought down the USSR by inducing it to self-implode in responding to "Star Wars" - no matter that Star Wars did not work.
Bin Laden has found a much more cost-effective way of making the USA implode itself.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561362</id>
	<title>Oh, look!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261945980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another reason for me not to fly. And another Al Qaeda success in disrupting the US economy and society beyond their wildest dreams.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another reason for me not to fly .
And another Al Qaeda success in disrupting the US economy and society beyond their wildest dreams .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another reason for me not to fly.
And another Al Qaeda success in disrupting the US economy and society beyond their wildest dreams.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561704</id>
	<title>whack a mole policy at its finest</title>
	<author>cl191</author>
	<datestamp>1261906560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Leave it to the Tupperware Stacking Agency to come up with all this security theater non sense, pretty soon they will ban farting on airplanes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Leave it to the Tupperware Stacking Agency to come up with all this security theater non sense , pretty soon they will ban farting on airplanes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Leave it to the Tupperware Stacking Agency to come up with all this security theater non sense, pretty soon they will ban farting on airplanes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562470</id>
	<title>Contact the TSA/airlines/Congress</title>
	<author>frdmfghtr</author>
	<datestamp>1261919220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We all make grandiose statements about "security theater," how worthless new rules are going to be, vowing never to fly again, etc. etc etc...but how many of us take our comments beyond a Slashdot post?  How many comments about knee-jerk reactions are knee-jerk posts?  I'll admit to the same, having sworn off flying if at all possible and driving to my desired destinations.</p><p>I'm not saying "quit whining."  Far from it--what is being said needs to be said, but it needs to be said in the proper forum.  Contact the TSA, the airlines, and your Congressional representation.  Tell them the same things (with a dash of proper grammar and spelling and a certain amount of decor, of course) that, as the flying (or former flying) public, you object to tax dollars being wasted on what is perceived to be ineffective security measures.  Make it a voting issue when the next election comes rolling around.  Let those who make the rules know that they are having an effect--a negative effect.  Tell the airline about that road trip you took and how much more enjoyable it was without having to submit to a bunch of BS screening.</p><p>I'll grant you that the most you can hope for, as an individual, is some sort of form-letter response from your Congressional representation.  The airlines won't care because, frankly, if you don't buy the ticket, somebody else will.  The TSA won't care because, well, they don't have to care.  (Yes, I'm a little cynical.)  En masse, however, somebody, somewhere, might start to pay attention.</p><p>I'll take my own advice right now, and after reading up on the actual event and the ensuing rules changes, make it clear to my representation my position, <b>and</b> what I expect to be done about it.  I ask direct questions, in hopes of getting something other than a form-letter response.  That way if I get a canned response that doesn't address the question, I have a reason to ask it again.</p><p>My deep thought for the day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We all make grandiose statements about " security theater , " how worthless new rules are going to be , vowing never to fly again , etc .
etc etc...but how many of us take our comments beyond a Slashdot post ?
How many comments about knee-jerk reactions are knee-jerk posts ?
I 'll admit to the same , having sworn off flying if at all possible and driving to my desired destinations.I 'm not saying " quit whining .
" Far from it--what is being said needs to be said , but it needs to be said in the proper forum .
Contact the TSA , the airlines , and your Congressional representation .
Tell them the same things ( with a dash of proper grammar and spelling and a certain amount of decor , of course ) that , as the flying ( or former flying ) public , you object to tax dollars being wasted on what is perceived to be ineffective security measures .
Make it a voting issue when the next election comes rolling around .
Let those who make the rules know that they are having an effect--a negative effect .
Tell the airline about that road trip you took and how much more enjoyable it was without having to submit to a bunch of BS screening.I 'll grant you that the most you can hope for , as an individual , is some sort of form-letter response from your Congressional representation .
The airlines wo n't care because , frankly , if you do n't buy the ticket , somebody else will .
The TSA wo n't care because , well , they do n't have to care .
( Yes , I 'm a little cynical .
) En masse , however , somebody , somewhere , might start to pay attention.I 'll take my own advice right now , and after reading up on the actual event and the ensuing rules changes , make it clear to my representation my position , and what I expect to be done about it .
I ask direct questions , in hopes of getting something other than a form-letter response .
That way if I get a canned response that does n't address the question , I have a reason to ask it again.My deep thought for the day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We all make grandiose statements about "security theater," how worthless new rules are going to be, vowing never to fly again, etc.
etc etc...but how many of us take our comments beyond a Slashdot post?
How many comments about knee-jerk reactions are knee-jerk posts?
I'll admit to the same, having sworn off flying if at all possible and driving to my desired destinations.I'm not saying "quit whining.
"  Far from it--what is being said needs to be said, but it needs to be said in the proper forum.
Contact the TSA, the airlines, and your Congressional representation.
Tell them the same things (with a dash of proper grammar and spelling and a certain amount of decor, of course) that, as the flying (or former flying) public, you object to tax dollars being wasted on what is perceived to be ineffective security measures.
Make it a voting issue when the next election comes rolling around.
Let those who make the rules know that they are having an effect--a negative effect.
Tell the airline about that road trip you took and how much more enjoyable it was without having to submit to a bunch of BS screening.I'll grant you that the most you can hope for, as an individual, is some sort of form-letter response from your Congressional representation.
The airlines won't care because, frankly, if you don't buy the ticket, somebody else will.
The TSA won't care because, well, they don't have to care.
(Yes, I'm a little cynical.
)  En masse, however, somebody, somewhere, might start to pay attention.I'll take my own advice right now, and after reading up on the actual event and the ensuing rules changes, make it clear to my representation my position, and what I expect to be done about it.
I ask direct questions, in hopes of getting something other than a form-letter response.
That way if I get a canned response that doesn't address the question, I have a reason to ask it again.My deep thought for the day.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30565768</id>
	<title>All people with artificial hands</title>
	<author>pizzach</author>
	<datestamp>1261910220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Will have to give them to the TSA before entering the plane who will in turn give them to the stewardess who will keep an eye on them for the whole flight.  Yes, we must give people with artificial appendages as little dignity as possible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Will have to give them to the TSA before entering the plane who will in turn give them to the stewardess who will keep an eye on them for the whole flight .
Yes , we must give people with artificial appendages as little dignity as possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will have to give them to the TSA before entering the plane who will in turn give them to the stewardess who will keep an eye on them for the whole flight.
Yes, we must give people with artificial appendages as little dignity as possible.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30570680</id>
	<title>time for black pants</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262013600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, no going to the toilet for the last hour? Time to break out black pants, and let the airlines handle the "cleaning bills".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , no going to the toilet for the last hour ?
Time to break out black pants , and let the airlines handle the " cleaning bills " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, no going to the toilet for the last hour?
Time to break out black pants, and let the airlines handle the "cleaning bills".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563234</id>
	<title>20 years ago ...</title>
	<author>MadMaverick9</author>
	<datestamp>1261930620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>20 years ago I was flying from Frankfurt, Germany to Bombay, India on a night flight and I spent more than an hour in the cockpit of the 747-200 talking to the pilots and just enjoying the night time view of the earth.
<p>
It's very sad that today's young generation can not have these kind of experiences any more.
</p><p>
Locked cockpit doors, passenger's hands tied to the chair in front of them, sedated passengers,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... What's next?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>20 years ago I was flying from Frankfurt , Germany to Bombay , India on a night flight and I spent more than an hour in the cockpit of the 747-200 talking to the pilots and just enjoying the night time view of the earth .
It 's very sad that today 's young generation can not have these kind of experiences any more .
Locked cockpit doors , passenger 's hands tied to the chair in front of them , sedated passengers , ... What 's next ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>20 years ago I was flying from Frankfurt, Germany to Bombay, India on a night flight and I spent more than an hour in the cockpit of the 747-200 talking to the pilots and just enjoying the night time view of the earth.
It's very sad that today's young generation can not have these kind of experiences any more.
Locked cockpit doors, passenger's hands tied to the chair in front of them, sedated passengers, ... What's next?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563220</id>
	<title>Re:They now need a "pee fee" - not what you think</title>
	<author>vorpal^</author>
	<datestamp>1261930500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hear, hear. As someone with Crohn's Disease, there are times where I get about a 30 second warning that I need to use a bathroom. Think of those flus or cases of food poisoning where you go from, "This book is inter... HOLY MOTHER OF GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY I NEED A FUCKING BATHROOM NOW!!!" That is the life of many people with Crohn's, colitis, and irritable bowel syndrome. To expect us to wait an hour - which causes a lot of anxiety, and makes things much more likely to brew - is a recipe for a smelly seat disaster.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hear , hear .
As someone with Crohn 's Disease , there are times where I get about a 30 second warning that I need to use a bathroom .
Think of those flus or cases of food poisoning where you go from , " This book is inter... HOLY MOTHER OF GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY I NEED A FUCKING BATHROOM NOW ! ! !
" That is the life of many people with Crohn 's , colitis , and irritable bowel syndrome .
To expect us to wait an hour - which causes a lot of anxiety , and makes things much more likely to brew - is a recipe for a smelly seat disaster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hear, hear.
As someone with Crohn's Disease, there are times where I get about a 30 second warning that I need to use a bathroom.
Think of those flus or cases of food poisoning where you go from, "This book is inter... HOLY MOTHER OF GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY I NEED A FUCKING BATHROOM NOW!!!
" That is the life of many people with Crohn's, colitis, and irritable bowel syndrome.
To expect us to wait an hour - which causes a lot of anxiety, and makes things much more likely to brew - is a recipe for a smelly seat disaster.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561368</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30565956</id>
	<title>Re:Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>HobophobE</author>
	<datestamp>1261911840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Back when I was in grade school some middle school kid in the same school district cut off the tip of his nose using scissors (it was reattached).  They banned regular scissors for all kids through middle school and we all had to use these stupid, feeble scissors that barely worked.  I assume that to this day the kids at those schools still are deprived decent scissors over what an outlier did a couple of decades ago.</p><p>As you say, it's asinine.  It completely defies any understanding of science and statistics.  But there's more to the story: they are doing this out of fear of lawsuits.  If they hadn't banned those scissors and another kid had done a repeat, the parents would have sued and might have won.  The lawyer would have stood before the jury and railed about how just months or years before the same thing had happened and the school did nothing.  In this case, if they make no change and someone gets hurt in a repeat then there will be a lawsuit and the lawyer will do the same thing: paint it as if the airlines and government should have changed the rules.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Back when I was in grade school some middle school kid in the same school district cut off the tip of his nose using scissors ( it was reattached ) .
They banned regular scissors for all kids through middle school and we all had to use these stupid , feeble scissors that barely worked .
I assume that to this day the kids at those schools still are deprived decent scissors over what an outlier did a couple of decades ago.As you say , it 's asinine .
It completely defies any understanding of science and statistics .
But there 's more to the story : they are doing this out of fear of lawsuits .
If they had n't banned those scissors and another kid had done a repeat , the parents would have sued and might have won .
The lawyer would have stood before the jury and railed about how just months or years before the same thing had happened and the school did nothing .
In this case , if they make no change and someone gets hurt in a repeat then there will be a lawsuit and the lawyer will do the same thing : paint it as if the airlines and government should have changed the rules .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back when I was in grade school some middle school kid in the same school district cut off the tip of his nose using scissors (it was reattached).
They banned regular scissors for all kids through middle school and we all had to use these stupid, feeble scissors that barely worked.
I assume that to this day the kids at those schools still are deprived decent scissors over what an outlier did a couple of decades ago.As you say, it's asinine.
It completely defies any understanding of science and statistics.
But there's more to the story: they are doing this out of fear of lawsuits.
If they hadn't banned those scissors and another kid had done a repeat, the parents would have sued and might have won.
The lawyer would have stood before the jury and railed about how just months or years before the same thing had happened and the school did nothing.
In this case, if they make no change and someone gets hurt in a repeat then there will be a lawsuit and the lawyer will do the same thing: paint it as if the airlines and government should have changed the rules.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561470</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563078</id>
	<title>Re:Enough of this shit already</title>
	<author>DaveGod</author>
	<datestamp>1261928580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Resources spent on car safety this year: trillions of $-worth? (in car production, car design, roads, education, extra fuel burnt due to weight...<br>
Resources spent fighting cancer this year: trillions of $-worth?<br>
Number of people inconvenienced because of stupid [<i>insert regulation here, say motorway regulations</i>]: millions<br>
Number of people losing their livelihood due to [<i>insert regulation here</i>]: probably tens of thousands<br>
Number of people dieing as an indirect cause of [<i>insert random thing here</i>]: probably more than the victims of terrorism this year</p><p>I don't wish to defend or imply that the airport regulations are sensible or effective,  but I'm not sure some of the criticisms are either (I don't just mean as regards parent).  Of course by far the most terrible thing about 9/11 was the lives lost, but we need also consider the other effects of 9/11 in considering the response. For example,  it nearly undermined the entire insurance industry for large projects (ramifications of this would have had a bigger impact on your life than the airport security, even if you commute to work on a 747). </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Resources spent on car safety this year : trillions of $ -worth ?
( in car production , car design , roads , education , extra fuel burnt due to weight.. . Resources spent fighting cancer this year : trillions of $ -worth ?
Number of people inconvenienced because of stupid [ insert regulation here , say motorway regulations ] : millions Number of people losing their livelihood due to [ insert regulation here ] : probably tens of thousands Number of people dieing as an indirect cause of [ insert random thing here ] : probably more than the victims of terrorism this yearI do n't wish to defend or imply that the airport regulations are sensible or effective , but I 'm not sure some of the criticisms are either ( I do n't just mean as regards parent ) .
Of course by far the most terrible thing about 9/11 was the lives lost , but we need also consider the other effects of 9/11 in considering the response .
For example , it nearly undermined the entire insurance industry for large projects ( ramifications of this would have had a bigger impact on your life than the airport security , even if you commute to work on a 747 ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Resources spent on car safety this year: trillions of $-worth?
(in car production, car design, roads, education, extra fuel burnt due to weight...
Resources spent fighting cancer this year: trillions of $-worth?
Number of people inconvenienced because of stupid [insert regulation here, say motorway regulations]: millions
Number of people losing their livelihood due to [insert regulation here]: probably tens of thousands
Number of people dieing as an indirect cause of [insert random thing here]: probably more than the victims of terrorism this yearI don't wish to defend or imply that the airport regulations are sensible or effective,  but I'm not sure some of the criticisms are either (I don't just mean as regards parent).
Of course by far the most terrible thing about 9/11 was the lives lost, but we need also consider the other effects of 9/11 in considering the response.
For example,  it nearly undermined the entire insurance industry for large projects (ramifications of this would have had a bigger impact on your life than the airport security, even if you commute to work on a 747). </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561522</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561496</id>
	<title>I'm already seeing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261947420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This terrorism paranoia will end up with passengers travelling nude and with arms handcuffed in their seats...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This terrorism paranoia will end up with passengers travelling nude and with arms handcuffed in their seats.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This terrorism paranoia will end up with passengers travelling nude and with arms handcuffed in their seats...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562908</id>
	<title>When, oh when....</title>
	<author>ibm1130</author>
	<datestamp>1261926480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will the morons in charge of public safety cancel the current Grand Guignol farce that is supposed to guarantee that asshats-of-no-particular-philosophical-orientation-whatsoever-and-certainly-not-adherents-of-islam-at-all-no-way-jose do not get the least chance to practice their asshattery. What possible difference is chaining passengers to their seats for the last hour of the flight going to make? Had these same morons profiled this asshat and paid attention to the information that fairly screamed DANGER-WILL-ROBINSON we'd all ( absent those inclined to asshattery and their enablers ) be much happier. One fine day we'll wake up to the news that somebody tried to detonate a suppository bomb and you can guess just what new security measures will result from that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will the morons in charge of public safety cancel the current Grand Guignol farce that is supposed to guarantee that asshats-of-no-particular-philosophical-orientation-whatsoever-and-certainly-not-adherents-of-islam-at-all-no-way-jose do not get the least chance to practice their asshattery .
What possible difference is chaining passengers to their seats for the last hour of the flight going to make ?
Had these same morons profiled this asshat and paid attention to the information that fairly screamed DANGER-WILL-ROBINSON we 'd all ( absent those inclined to asshattery and their enablers ) be much happier .
One fine day we 'll wake up to the news that somebody tried to detonate a suppository bomb and you can guess just what new security measures will result from that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will the morons in charge of public safety cancel the current Grand Guignol farce that is supposed to guarantee that asshats-of-no-particular-philosophical-orientation-whatsoever-and-certainly-not-adherents-of-islam-at-all-no-way-jose do not get the least chance to practice their asshattery.
What possible difference is chaining passengers to their seats for the last hour of the flight going to make?
Had these same morons profiled this asshat and paid attention to the information that fairly screamed DANGER-WILL-ROBINSON we'd all ( absent those inclined to asshattery and their enablers ) be much happier.
One fine day we'll wake up to the news that somebody tried to detonate a suppository bomb and you can guess just what new security measures will result from that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561504</id>
	<title>International Standards???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261947480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder if the TSA's motive is to make air travel so unbearable that international travelers begin to lobby their own government to impart effective measures to counteract these types of attacks.
<br> <br>
Like the TSA or not, I'm pretty sure they would have caught this guy if he was getting on the plane stateside. Why can't other countries do the same?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if the TSA 's motive is to make air travel so unbearable that international travelers begin to lobby their own government to impart effective measures to counteract these types of attacks .
Like the TSA or not , I 'm pretty sure they would have caught this guy if he was getting on the plane stateside .
Why ca n't other countries do the same ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if the TSA's motive is to make air travel so unbearable that international travelers begin to lobby their own government to impart effective measures to counteract these types of attacks.
Like the TSA or not, I'm pretty sure they would have caught this guy if he was getting on the plane stateside.
Why can't other countries do the same?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563322</id>
	<title>Re:Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261931340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am on an international flight four times a month at least, every month, 11 months a year.  I don't carry liquids, my laptop bag is the only carry-on I take because it isn't sane to check it in for the obvious reasons.  I don't carry nail clippers, nail files, knitting needles, liquids, cameras, headphones, ipods or anything else with me - just a phone, wallet, passport and laptop bag.  I wear sensible clothes and take my belt and slip-on shoes off before I reach the security gate.</p><p>Guess what: my flying experience isn't any more difficult today than it was 15 years ago.  Sure, the rules have changed, but guess what: I adapted and got on with life.</p><p>What does annoy me is when idiots who should know better turn into blathering morons at the security gate complaining about what they should have already known they can't take on board being confiscated.</p><p>Airports need to create a new club: the "I'm not an idiot let me through security quicker than the rest of the morons" club.  I'd pay to join that.</p><p>The reason you shouldn't be listening to music on your ipod during takeoff and landing is because if something goes wrong, you can't hear important announcements from staff or worse, people trying to get past you to escape, but you're off in noddy-land listening to your favourite tracks.</p><p>Likewise your girlfriend can wear sensible clothes and not be cold during take off, because again the blanket is a fire hazard and a risk to other passengers during takeoff and landing.</p><p>The reasons for these things are not necessarilly security related - they're safety related.</p><p>It pisses me off to no end when I see people playing with their ipods and other gadgets during takeoff/landing - to the point where I actually tell them to turn them off.</p><p>so in short, put up and shut up, there are people who</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am on an international flight four times a month at least , every month , 11 months a year .
I do n't carry liquids , my laptop bag is the only carry-on I take because it is n't sane to check it in for the obvious reasons .
I do n't carry nail clippers , nail files , knitting needles , liquids , cameras , headphones , ipods or anything else with me - just a phone , wallet , passport and laptop bag .
I wear sensible clothes and take my belt and slip-on shoes off before I reach the security gate.Guess what : my flying experience is n't any more difficult today than it was 15 years ago .
Sure , the rules have changed , but guess what : I adapted and got on with life.What does annoy me is when idiots who should know better turn into blathering morons at the security gate complaining about what they should have already known they ca n't take on board being confiscated.Airports need to create a new club : the " I 'm not an idiot let me through security quicker than the rest of the morons " club .
I 'd pay to join that.The reason you should n't be listening to music on your ipod during takeoff and landing is because if something goes wrong , you ca n't hear important announcements from staff or worse , people trying to get past you to escape , but you 're off in noddy-land listening to your favourite tracks.Likewise your girlfriend can wear sensible clothes and not be cold during take off , because again the blanket is a fire hazard and a risk to other passengers during takeoff and landing.The reasons for these things are not necessarilly security related - they 're safety related.It pisses me off to no end when I see people playing with their ipods and other gadgets during takeoff/landing - to the point where I actually tell them to turn them off.so in short , put up and shut up , there are people who</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am on an international flight four times a month at least, every month, 11 months a year.
I don't carry liquids, my laptop bag is the only carry-on I take because it isn't sane to check it in for the obvious reasons.
I don't carry nail clippers, nail files, knitting needles, liquids, cameras, headphones, ipods or anything else with me - just a phone, wallet, passport and laptop bag.
I wear sensible clothes and take my belt and slip-on shoes off before I reach the security gate.Guess what: my flying experience isn't any more difficult today than it was 15 years ago.
Sure, the rules have changed, but guess what: I adapted and got on with life.What does annoy me is when idiots who should know better turn into blathering morons at the security gate complaining about what they should have already known they can't take on board being confiscated.Airports need to create a new club: the "I'm not an idiot let me through security quicker than the rest of the morons" club.
I'd pay to join that.The reason you shouldn't be listening to music on your ipod during takeoff and landing is because if something goes wrong, you can't hear important announcements from staff or worse, people trying to get past you to escape, but you're off in noddy-land listening to your favourite tracks.Likewise your girlfriend can wear sensible clothes and not be cold during take off, because again the blanket is a fire hazard and a risk to other passengers during takeoff and landing.The reasons for these things are not necessarilly security related - they're safety related.It pisses me off to no end when I see people playing with their ipods and other gadgets during takeoff/landing - to the point where I actually tell them to turn them off.so in short, put up and shut up, there are people who</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30572120</id>
	<title>Oh, priceless.</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1262021220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>but she said the measures "are designed to be unpredictable, so passengers should not expect to see the same thing everywhere."</p></div><p>This just makes it too easy.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>but she said the measures " are designed to be unpredictable , so passengers should not expect to see the same thing everywhere .
" This just makes it too easy.NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition !
Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our * three * weapons are fear , surprise , and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our * four * ...no... * Amongst * our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear , surprise.... I 'll come in again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but she said the measures "are designed to be unpredictable, so passengers should not expect to see the same thing everywhere.
"This just makes it too easy.NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30564540</id>
	<title>Re:The "Terrorists" win again...</title>
	<author>jwilty</author>
	<datestamp>1261943520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>All a would-be "terrorist" have to do is go, "BOO",</p> </div><p>I think you meant "Ni!"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All a would-be " terrorist " have to do is go , " BOO " , I think you meant " Ni !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All a would-be "terrorist" have to do is go, "BOO", I think you meant "Ni!
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30567808</id>
	<title>I have</title>
	<author>einhverfr</author>
	<datestamp>1261928460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Heck, I drove 20 hours to a customer's site once because air travel would have been too difficult given the circumstances.  Driving wasn't too bad, on the other hand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Heck , I drove 20 hours to a customer 's site once because air travel would have been too difficult given the circumstances .
Driving was n't too bad , on the other hand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heck, I drove 20 hours to a customer's site once because air travel would have been too difficult given the circumstances.
Driving wasn't too bad, on the other hand.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562470</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561528</id>
	<title>Typical cop response</title>
	<author>hyades1</author>
	<datestamp>1261904640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> You beat terrorists by raising a middle finger in their direction, mocking them mercilessly and accepting casualties once in a while.  You kiss terrorist arse when you pull this kind of crap.  What's next, handcuff passengers to their seats and have police strutting up and down the aisles during flights? Give me an effin' break! </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You beat terrorists by raising a middle finger in their direction , mocking them mercilessly and accepting casualties once in a while .
You kiss terrorist arse when you pull this kind of crap .
What 's next , handcuff passengers to their seats and have police strutting up and down the aisles during flights ?
Give me an effin ' break !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> You beat terrorists by raising a middle finger in their direction, mocking them mercilessly and accepting casualties once in a while.
You kiss terrorist arse when you pull this kind of crap.
What's next, handcuff passengers to their seats and have police strutting up and down the aisles during flights?
Give me an effin' break! </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563562</id>
	<title>Re:As the parent of a 1 year old. I say good luck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261934160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We're coming for your 1 year old terrorist candidate.</p><p>-U.S. Government</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 're coming for your 1 year old terrorist candidate.-U.S. Government</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We're coming for your 1 year old terrorist candidate.-U.S. Government</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563608</id>
	<title>Re:Enough of this shit already</title>
	<author>ari\_j</author>
	<datestamp>1261934580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good point.  Simply stated, "aviation security" has taken more lives than it has saved, by putting more people on the roads for trips of 500-1,000 miles, where they are much more likely to die than in a plane.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good point .
Simply stated , " aviation security " has taken more lives than it has saved , by putting more people on the roads for trips of 500-1,000 miles , where they are much more likely to die than in a plane .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good point.
Simply stated, "aviation security" has taken more lives than it has saved, by putting more people on the roads for trips of 500-1,000 miles, where they are much more likely to die than in a plane.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561522</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30564564</id>
	<title>Re:They now need a "pee fee" - not what you think</title>
	<author>dubl-u</author>
	<datestamp>1261943820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If they aren't happy with the consequences of working for an organization that denies people their basic human dignities, then they should be looking for a new job.</p></div><p>Amen. Small-scale wrongness just requires some asshole. But ugliness in the large requires not just an asshole at the top, but a lot of compliant "just-doing-my-job" zombies at the bottom. We will never completely get rid of the assholes, but there's no reason to help them make the world worse. Even if it does come with a steady paycheck.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they are n't happy with the consequences of working for an organization that denies people their basic human dignities , then they should be looking for a new job.Amen .
Small-scale wrongness just requires some asshole .
But ugliness in the large requires not just an asshole at the top , but a lot of compliant " just-doing-my-job " zombies at the bottom .
We will never completely get rid of the assholes , but there 's no reason to help them make the world worse .
Even if it does come with a steady paycheck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they aren't happy with the consequences of working for an organization that denies people their basic human dignities, then they should be looking for a new job.Amen.
Small-scale wrongness just requires some asshole.
But ugliness in the large requires not just an asshole at the top, but a lot of compliant "just-doing-my-job" zombies at the bottom.
We will never completely get rid of the assholes, but there's no reason to help them make the world worse.
Even if it does come with a steady paycheck.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561664</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561676</id>
	<title>Air travel == UnAmerican</title>
	<author>Baloo Uriza</author>
	<datestamp>1261906200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Until air travellers grow a pair and just collectively shove past TSA refusing to be illegally searched, the security theater will continue to inconvenience the public without so much as slowing down terrorism.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Until air travellers grow a pair and just collectively shove past TSA refusing to be illegally searched , the security theater will continue to inconvenience the public without so much as slowing down terrorism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until air travellers grow a pair and just collectively shove past TSA refusing to be illegally searched, the security theater will continue to inconvenience the public without so much as slowing down terrorism.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30566922</id>
	<title>Re:Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1261920240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Alright, I'll bite - you canceled your vacation because you may have to spend an extra, what, hour in line?</i></p><p>Nah, he's just full of shit and trying to make a "dramatic" post.</p><p>He made up the vacation, made up cancelling it, made up a little outrage now that his imaginary vacation has been cancelled, and wrote up the post assuming that everybody reading it is too retarded to realize that anybody can lie out their ass on a web forum.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Alright , I 'll bite - you canceled your vacation because you may have to spend an extra , what , hour in line ? Nah , he 's just full of shit and trying to make a " dramatic " post.He made up the vacation , made up cancelling it , made up a little outrage now that his imaginary vacation has been cancelled , and wrote up the post assuming that everybody reading it is too retarded to realize that anybody can lie out their ass on a web forum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alright, I'll bite - you canceled your vacation because you may have to spend an extra, what, hour in line?Nah, he's just full of shit and trying to make a "dramatic" post.He made up the vacation, made up cancelling it, made up a little outrage now that his imaginary vacation has been cancelled, and wrote up the post assuming that everybody reading it is too retarded to realize that anybody can lie out their ass on a web forum.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561810</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30564224</id>
	<title>Re:This is kind of rediculous</title>
	<author>DavidTC</author>
	<datestamp>1261940580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would they need to get out of their seat to set off a bomb, anyway? Granted, both idiotic 'clothing' bombers would probably have been able to set off their bomb if they'd done it in the bathroom instead of trying to do it in front of people, but the problem with bathroom bombs is that they probably wouldn't hurt anything besides the bathroom. I suspect said bombers have managed to figure this out. (And that a smarter bomber would, next time, get a window seat with a confederate next to them, so people can't obviously see something going on, and the confederate can fend people off if people notice.)</p><p>
Oh, yeah, people can't have things 'in their laps'. Despite this guy, you know, having the bomb down his pants. (Holy crap, those jokes about what we would have had to take off had the 'shoe bomber' been the 'underwear bomber' have just come true!)</p><p>
So I'm sure that if someone picks their laptop bag up off the floor, and puts it in their lap, they will instantly be shot dead by a sniper? No?</p><p>
Instantly noticed by a flight attendant? No?</p><p>
Eventually noticed by a flight attendant and politely asked to put the bag down, otherwise the flight attendant will ask again? Ah.</p><p>
I feel safer already. Surely the threat of a flight attendant wandering up in a few minutes and politely insisting on something will deter terrorism.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would they need to get out of their seat to set off a bomb , anyway ?
Granted , both idiotic 'clothing ' bombers would probably have been able to set off their bomb if they 'd done it in the bathroom instead of trying to do it in front of people , but the problem with bathroom bombs is that they probably would n't hurt anything besides the bathroom .
I suspect said bombers have managed to figure this out .
( And that a smarter bomber would , next time , get a window seat with a confederate next to them , so people ca n't obviously see something going on , and the confederate can fend people off if people notice .
) Oh , yeah , people ca n't have things 'in their laps' .
Despite this guy , you know , having the bomb down his pants .
( Holy crap , those jokes about what we would have had to take off had the 'shoe bomber ' been the 'underwear bomber ' have just come true !
) So I 'm sure that if someone picks their laptop bag up off the floor , and puts it in their lap , they will instantly be shot dead by a sniper ?
No ? Instantly noticed by a flight attendant ?
No ? Eventually noticed by a flight attendant and politely asked to put the bag down , otherwise the flight attendant will ask again ?
Ah . I feel safer already .
Surely the threat of a flight attendant wandering up in a few minutes and politely insisting on something will deter terrorism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would they need to get out of their seat to set off a bomb, anyway?
Granted, both idiotic 'clothing' bombers would probably have been able to set off their bomb if they'd done it in the bathroom instead of trying to do it in front of people, but the problem with bathroom bombs is that they probably wouldn't hurt anything besides the bathroom.
I suspect said bombers have managed to figure this out.
(And that a smarter bomber would, next time, get a window seat with a confederate next to them, so people can't obviously see something going on, and the confederate can fend people off if people notice.
)
Oh, yeah, people can't have things 'in their laps'.
Despite this guy, you know, having the bomb down his pants.
(Holy crap, those jokes about what we would have had to take off had the 'shoe bomber' been the 'underwear bomber' have just come true!
)
So I'm sure that if someone picks their laptop bag up off the floor, and puts it in their lap, they will instantly be shot dead by a sniper?
No?
Instantly noticed by a flight attendant?
No?
Eventually noticed by a flight attendant and politely asked to put the bag down, otherwise the flight attendant will ask again?
Ah.
I feel safer already.
Surely the threat of a flight attendant wandering up in a few minutes and politely insisting on something will deter terrorism.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561538</id>
	<title>Re:Prohibited Items</title>
	<author>nametaken</author>
	<datestamp>1261904760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well duh.  If you're already hopelessly worthless at enforcing the rules you've always had, well just make more rules!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well duh .
If you 're already hopelessly worthless at enforcing the rules you 've always had , well just make more rules !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well duh.
If you're already hopelessly worthless at enforcing the rules you've always had, well just make more rules!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30564900</id>
	<title>Re:They now need a "pee fee" - not what you think</title>
	<author>joebob7896</author>
	<datestamp>1261947300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is simple. You must bring plastic pee bags with you from now on. If you need to pee, you must be careful not to pee more than 3-4 ounces (100ml) in the bag. If you do, then you are violating the rule on bringing liquids on to the plane. I guess you could just fill up many bags of urine below 4 ounces and distribute them to flight attendants or other passengers to stay below your alloted liquid allowance.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is simple .
You must bring plastic pee bags with you from now on .
If you need to pee , you must be careful not to pee more than 3-4 ounces ( 100ml ) in the bag .
If you do , then you are violating the rule on bringing liquids on to the plane .
I guess you could just fill up many bags of urine below 4 ounces and distribute them to flight attendants or other passengers to stay below your alloted liquid allowance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is simple.
You must bring plastic pee bags with you from now on.
If you need to pee, you must be careful not to pee more than 3-4 ounces (100ml) in the bag.
If you do, then you are violating the rule on bringing liquids on to the plane.
I guess you could just fill up many bags of urine below 4 ounces and distribute them to flight attendants or other passengers to stay below your alloted liquid allowance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562466</id>
	<title>Re:They now need a "pee fee" - not what you think</title>
	<author>Dog-Cow</author>
	<datestamp>1261919100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't pee in your pants.  You pull them down and aim at a flight attendant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't pee in your pants .
You pull them down and aim at a flight attendant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't pee in your pants.
You pull them down and aim at a flight attendant.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562112</id>
	<title>When I Retire...</title>
	<author>rally2xs</author>
	<datestamp>1261912500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and have the extra TIME to travel, I'll be driving more places, for sure.  So what if it takes me 3 1/2 days to get to LA from Virginia?  They'll at least be pleasant, I'll get to see a lotta scenery, maybe take a few pictures, and bypass the BS.  If they ever get the high speed rail working, I might take that... if there's no security BS to put up with (pointless in a train - the terrorists just blow up the tracks..)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and have the extra TIME to travel , I 'll be driving more places , for sure .
So what if it takes me 3 1/2 days to get to LA from Virginia ?
They 'll at least be pleasant , I 'll get to see a lotta scenery , maybe take a few pictures , and bypass the BS .
If they ever get the high speed rail working , I might take that... if there 's no security BS to put up with ( pointless in a train - the terrorists just blow up the tracks.. )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and have the extra TIME to travel, I'll be driving more places, for sure.
So what if it takes me 3 1/2 days to get to LA from Virginia?
They'll at least be pleasant, I'll get to see a lotta scenery, maybe take a few pictures, and bypass the BS.
If they ever get the high speed rail working, I might take that... if there's no security BS to put up with (pointless in a train - the terrorists just blow up the tracks..)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561368</id>
	<title>They now need a "pee fee" - not what you think</title>
	<author>Travelsonic</author>
	<datestamp>1261946100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>With all due respect on the aisle thing, if I'm on a long-ish flight, fall asleep after eating whatever, and I have to pee badly enough, stand aside and let me use the lav, or I'll just piss in my paints in the aisle and let the cleaning crew on the ground deal with it... not my fault you guys tied to keep me from using the bathroom despite pointing out how badly I needed it a dozen++ times.

I wish I was kidding, but I'm not. The TSA has gone beyond asinine now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>With all due respect on the aisle thing , if I 'm on a long-ish flight , fall asleep after eating whatever , and I have to pee badly enough , stand aside and let me use the lav , or I 'll just piss in my paints in the aisle and let the cleaning crew on the ground deal with it... not my fault you guys tied to keep me from using the bathroom despite pointing out how badly I needed it a dozen + + times .
I wish I was kidding , but I 'm not .
The TSA has gone beyond asinine now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With all due respect on the aisle thing, if I'm on a long-ish flight, fall asleep after eating whatever, and I have to pee badly enough, stand aside and let me use the lav, or I'll just piss in my paints in the aisle and let the cleaning crew on the ground deal with it... not my fault you guys tied to keep me from using the bathroom despite pointing out how badly I needed it a dozen++ times.
I wish I was kidding, but I'm not.
The TSA has gone beyond asinine now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30567530</id>
	<title>Worse still</title>
	<author>einhverfr</author>
	<datestamp>1261925760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you read the article and scroll down, you will see the bit about wanting security measures to be unpredictable and that different airports would have different security measures.</p><p>This just blew the cover off any illusion of a professional response.  Weakest link anyone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you read the article and scroll down , you will see the bit about wanting security measures to be unpredictable and that different airports would have different security measures.This just blew the cover off any illusion of a professional response .
Weakest link anyone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you read the article and scroll down, you will see the bit about wanting security measures to be unpredictable and that different airports would have different security measures.This just blew the cover off any illusion of a professional response.
Weakest link anyone?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561928</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30564130</id>
	<title>we're all terrorists now</title>
	<author>anonieuweling</author>
	<datestamp>1261939800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>we're all terrorists now<br>
as if we don't let the plane explode earlier than an hour before landing<br>
pfff<br>
<br>
it is ALL still security theatre and does NOTHING about the terrorists, if any.</htmltext>
<tokenext>we 're all terrorists now as if we do n't let the plane explode earlier than an hour before landing pfff it is ALL still security theatre and does NOTHING about the terrorists , if any .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>we're all terrorists now
as if we don't let the plane explode earlier than an hour before landing
pfff

it is ALL still security theatre and does NOTHING about the terrorists, if any.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561354</id>
	<title>NO!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261945920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yeah, really effective policy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yeah , really effective policy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yeah, really effective policy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30564230</id>
	<title>Terrorists Win Again</title>
	<author>Blackjack Joe</author>
	<datestamp>1261940580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Every time the TSA makes flying more inconvenient and/or more uncomfortable, the terrorists have won without having to actually kill or injure anyone. I drive a lot of times  to places that I once used to fly to. Driving times of up to nine hours now that were hour and forty-five minute flights.</p><p>The TSA is reactive and not proactive, they throw in security measures against methods that are low odds to be tried again. The next attempt is almost certain to be something new that TSA has not even thought of.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Every time the TSA makes flying more inconvenient and/or more uncomfortable , the terrorists have won without having to actually kill or injure anyone .
I drive a lot of times to places that I once used to fly to .
Driving times of up to nine hours now that were hour and forty-five minute flights.The TSA is reactive and not proactive , they throw in security measures against methods that are low odds to be tried again .
The next attempt is almost certain to be something new that TSA has not even thought of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every time the TSA makes flying more inconvenient and/or more uncomfortable, the terrorists have won without having to actually kill or injure anyone.
I drive a lot of times  to places that I once used to fly to.
Driving times of up to nine hours now that were hour and forty-five minute flights.The TSA is reactive and not proactive, they throw in security measures against methods that are low odds to be tried again.
The next attempt is almost certain to be something new that TSA has not even thought of.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562608</id>
	<title>it was leftover from their November 2001 playbook</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261922100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As folks who travel in and out of Washington, D.C. may remember <a href="http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-aadvantage/149256-no-standing-up-first-30-minutes.html" title="flyertalk.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-aadvantage/149256-no-standing-up-first-30-minutes.html</a> [flyertalk.com] when Reagan National Airport (DCA) finally re-opened the FAA imposed restrictions on inbound flights to Washington National that prohibited getting out of your seats during the last 30 minutes of flight and imposed restrictions on outbound flights from Washington National that prohibited getting out of year seats during the first 30 minutes of flight.</p><p>Eventually some TSA brainiac is going to remember the other half of the rule and ask the aircrew to impose the 1 hour prohibitions on flights outbound from the US.</p><p>I say "ask the aircrew to impose" because on-board an in-air flight the FAA's own rules say even the Air Marshal cannot force the pilot do to anything so if you're prevented from going to the bathroom then it's the aircrew's fault and not TSA's.  Nuremberg Principle IV is unambiguous in stating that "The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As folks who travel in and out of Washington , D.C. may remember http : //www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-aadvantage/149256-no-standing-up-first-30-minutes.html [ flyertalk.com ] when Reagan National Airport ( DCA ) finally re-opened the FAA imposed restrictions on inbound flights to Washington National that prohibited getting out of your seats during the last 30 minutes of flight and imposed restrictions on outbound flights from Washington National that prohibited getting out of year seats during the first 30 minutes of flight.Eventually some TSA brainiac is going to remember the other half of the rule and ask the aircrew to impose the 1 hour prohibitions on flights outbound from the US.I say " ask the aircrew to impose " because on-board an in-air flight the FAA 's own rules say even the Air Marshal can not force the pilot do to anything so if you 're prevented from going to the bathroom then it 's the aircrew 's fault and not TSA 's .
Nuremberg Principle IV is unambiguous in stating that " The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law , provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As folks who travel in and out of Washington, D.C. may remember http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-aadvantage/149256-no-standing-up-first-30-minutes.html [flyertalk.com] when Reagan National Airport (DCA) finally re-opened the FAA imposed restrictions on inbound flights to Washington National that prohibited getting out of your seats during the last 30 minutes of flight and imposed restrictions on outbound flights from Washington National that prohibited getting out of year seats during the first 30 minutes of flight.Eventually some TSA brainiac is going to remember the other half of the rule and ask the aircrew to impose the 1 hour prohibitions on flights outbound from the US.I say "ask the aircrew to impose" because on-board an in-air flight the FAA's own rules say even the Air Marshal cannot force the pilot do to anything so if you're prevented from going to the bathroom then it's the aircrew's fault and not TSA's.
Nuremberg Principle IV is unambiguous in stating that "The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561762</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563932</id>
	<title>Re:They now need a "pee fee" - not what you think</title>
	<author>b4dc0d3r</author>
	<datestamp>1261937700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have Crohn's disease, and no colon.  If I have to poop, it's going to be with little warning, runny, and warm.  If I have to go, you get the choice of allowing me or cleaning up the mess I leave.  And it will be messy, since it's going straight down my pants leg into my socks and onto the ground, immediately.</p><p>That said, I have a card from the Crohn's and Colitis foundation which explains this, and I have a note from my doctor, written on prescription paper, which outlines this.  I produce both items and say "It's your choice - I'll just stand here while you decide, or alternatively I'll let you know when no decision needs made."</p><p>If you have medical problems, get it documented and have it ready with you.  Or else you'll probably get shot by an air marshall for being human.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have Crohn 's disease , and no colon .
If I have to poop , it 's going to be with little warning , runny , and warm .
If I have to go , you get the choice of allowing me or cleaning up the mess I leave .
And it will be messy , since it 's going straight down my pants leg into my socks and onto the ground , immediately.That said , I have a card from the Crohn 's and Colitis foundation which explains this , and I have a note from my doctor , written on prescription paper , which outlines this .
I produce both items and say " It 's your choice - I 'll just stand here while you decide , or alternatively I 'll let you know when no decision needs made .
" If you have medical problems , get it documented and have it ready with you .
Or else you 'll probably get shot by an air marshall for being human .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have Crohn's disease, and no colon.
If I have to poop, it's going to be with little warning, runny, and warm.
If I have to go, you get the choice of allowing me or cleaning up the mess I leave.
And it will be messy, since it's going straight down my pants leg into my socks and onto the ground, immediately.That said, I have a card from the Crohn's and Colitis foundation which explains this, and I have a note from my doctor, written on prescription paper, which outlines this.
I produce both items and say "It's your choice - I'll just stand here while you decide, or alternatively I'll let you know when no decision needs made.
"If you have medical problems, get it documented and have it ready with you.
Or else you'll probably get shot by an air marshall for being human.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561368</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561920</id>
	<title>Re:Typical cop response</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261909860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stop giving them ideas!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop giving them ideas !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop giving them ideas!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561528</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561454</id>
	<title>Yesterday's "foiled" bombing attempt?</title>
	<author>Sowelu</author>
	<datestamp>1261947000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The last one sounded like some guy successfully set off a charge that was barely large enough to set his pants on fire, then some guy jumped him afterwards.  How, exactly, is that foiled?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The last one sounded like some guy successfully set off a charge that was barely large enough to set his pants on fire , then some guy jumped him afterwards .
How , exactly , is that foiled ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The last one sounded like some guy successfully set off a charge that was barely large enough to set his pants on fire, then some guy jumped him afterwards.
How, exactly, is that foiled?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562830</id>
	<title>As for myself...</title>
	<author>jmv</author>
	<datestamp>1261925280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...I'll stop flying as soon as someone tries blowing up a plane with a rectal bomb or by making his underwear explode. "Please stand in line for a short rectal bomb check"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...I 'll stop flying as soon as someone tries blowing up a plane with a rectal bomb or by making his underwear explode .
" Please stand in line for a short rectal bomb check "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...I'll stop flying as soon as someone tries blowing up a plane with a rectal bomb or by making his underwear explode.
"Please stand in line for a short rectal bomb check"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561440</id>
	<title>One hour? Seriously?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261946820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because apparently the only possible time to detonate something and bring down an airplane is in the last hour before landing.  So THAT is why the shoe bomber failed....he did it too early!</p><p>How about we have a reasoned response to this instead of just blindly making shit up based on the last attack?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because apparently the only possible time to detonate something and bring down an airplane is in the last hour before landing .
So THAT is why the shoe bomber failed....he did it too early ! How about we have a reasoned response to this instead of just blindly making shit up based on the last attack ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because apparently the only possible time to detonate something and bring down an airplane is in the last hour before landing.
So THAT is why the shoe bomber failed....he did it too early!How about we have a reasoned response to this instead of just blindly making shit up based on the last attack?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562566</id>
	<title>Re:Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261921140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or in other words, the terrorists have won. If their goal was to make the lives of Americans more miserable, it seems they succeeded.</p><p>But worse yet, if air travel gets much worse, perhaps the airlines will need a bailout? We've seen how 'well' it worked for the financial institutions.</p><p>The question is, is the solution to this problem more security, or is it trying to find the root cause of why things like this happens?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or in other words , the terrorists have won .
If their goal was to make the lives of Americans more miserable , it seems they succeeded.But worse yet , if air travel gets much worse , perhaps the airlines will need a bailout ?
We 've seen how 'well ' it worked for the financial institutions.The question is , is the solution to this problem more security , or is it trying to find the root cause of why things like this happens ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or in other words, the terrorists have won.
If their goal was to make the lives of Americans more miserable, it seems they succeeded.But worse yet, if air travel gets much worse, perhaps the airlines will need a bailout?
We've seen how 'well' it worked for the financial institutions.The question is, is the solution to this problem more security, or is it trying to find the root cause of why things like this happens?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561470</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561478</id>
	<title>Re:They now need a "pee fee" - not what you think</title>
	<author>nulldaemon</author>
	<datestamp>1261947240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>With all due respect on the aisle thing, if I'm on a long-ish flight, fall asleep after eating whatever, and I have to pee badly enough, stand aside and let me use the lav, or I'll just piss in my paints in the aisle and let the cleaning crew on the ground deal with it...</p> </div><p>I can understand where you're coming from but it's neither the fault of the flight attendants nor the cleaning crew that your country has such shitty regulations, but they're the only people who will suffer from your protest...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>With all due respect on the aisle thing , if I 'm on a long-ish flight , fall asleep after eating whatever , and I have to pee badly enough , stand aside and let me use the lav , or I 'll just piss in my paints in the aisle and let the cleaning crew on the ground deal with it... I can understand where you 're coming from but it 's neither the fault of the flight attendants nor the cleaning crew that your country has such shitty regulations , but they 're the only people who will suffer from your protest.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With all due respect on the aisle thing, if I'm on a long-ish flight, fall asleep after eating whatever, and I have to pee badly enough, stand aside and let me use the lav, or I'll just piss in my paints in the aisle and let the cleaning crew on the ground deal with it... I can understand where you're coming from but it's neither the fault of the flight attendants nor the cleaning crew that your country has such shitty regulations, but they're the only people who will suffer from your protest...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561368</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30574710</id>
	<title>Re:The "Terrorists" win again...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262032920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember a story about how a country used this with great success. Who was that? What other country made up expensive shit (e.q. titan 1 missile silo's) just so that their enemy would spend themselves bankrupt to "foil" the plan. Oh yeah, it was the US and the USSR.</p><p>Hm. So we trained al qaeda during the Russian war in Afghanistan on how to fight the Russians. Net result: the Russians lost, and suffered big casualty's. Our students actually listened during their history classes. They are using our strategies, out tactics, and our media against us. In Afghanistan no less. Hm. Irony.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember a story about how a country used this with great success .
Who was that ?
What other country made up expensive shit ( e.q .
titan 1 missile silo 's ) just so that their enemy would spend themselves bankrupt to " foil " the plan .
Oh yeah , it was the US and the USSR.Hm .
So we trained al qaeda during the Russian war in Afghanistan on how to fight the Russians .
Net result : the Russians lost , and suffered big casualty 's .
Our students actually listened during their history classes .
They are using our strategies , out tactics , and our media against us .
In Afghanistan no less .
Hm. Irony .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember a story about how a country used this with great success.
Who was that?
What other country made up expensive shit (e.q.
titan 1 missile silo's) just so that their enemy would spend themselves bankrupt to "foil" the plan.
Oh yeah, it was the US and the USSR.Hm.
So we trained al qaeda during the Russian war in Afghanistan on how to fight the Russians.
Net result: the Russians lost, and suffered big casualty's.
Our students actually listened during their history classes.
They are using our strategies, out tactics, and our media against us.
In Afghanistan no less.
Hm. Irony.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561848</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563638</id>
	<title>Re:Enough of this shit already</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1261934940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just total up the man-hours wasted this year alone for TSA bullshit and it easily totals many lifetimes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just total up the man-hours wasted this year alone for TSA bullshit and it easily totals many lifetimes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just total up the man-hours wasted this year alone for TSA bullshit and it easily totals many lifetimes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561522</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562072</id>
	<title>Re:Question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261911660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More like you are opening yourself up for a new suit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More like you are opening yourself up for a new suit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More like you are opening yourself up for a new suit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561590</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30565994</id>
	<title>Re:As the parent of a 1 year old. I say good luck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261912140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sorry, but as an American, I feel it's my duty to point out that you cannot blame the TSA, our politicians, or us "dickheads" when your "goverment and idiotic organisations" copy our "fucked up rules".</p><p>Please take some responsibility for your own country. You never know, we might copy your rules.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sorry , but as an American , I feel it 's my duty to point out that you can not blame the TSA , our politicians , or us " dickheads " when your " goverment and idiotic organisations " copy our " fucked up rules " .Please take some responsibility for your own country .
You never know , we might copy your rules .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sorry, but as an American, I feel it's my duty to point out that you cannot blame the TSA, our politicians, or us "dickheads" when your "goverment and idiotic organisations" copy our "fucked up rules".Please take some responsibility for your own country.
You never know, we might copy your rules.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561610</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561464</id>
	<title>Are they disingenuous?</title>
	<author>headkase</author>
	<datestamp>1261947120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do they actually realize that anyone with half a brain-cell thinks they look like idiots?  Wait till they make their ultimate security policy: no passengers allowed on planes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do they actually realize that anyone with half a brain-cell thinks they look like idiots ?
Wait till they make their ultimate security policy : no passengers allowed on planes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do they actually realize that anyone with half a brain-cell thinks they look like idiots?
Wait till they make their ultimate security policy: no passengers allowed on planes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561610</id>
	<title>As the parent of a 1 year old. I say good luck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261905420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have trouble keeping my son in his high chair with his hands in plain site in a high chair. Good luck getting infants to sit still.</p><p>I don't know who's stupider: The idiots at the TSA who come up with the rules, the politicians that give them this power, or the dickheads that allow the politicians to be elected.</p><p>I'll stay well out of your country. I only wish your fucked up rules didn't get copied by our own government and idiotic organisations. We just had some ridiculous security restrictions lifted in Australia. What's the bet that all gets reversed thanks to you crazy as fuck yanks?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have trouble keeping my son in his high chair with his hands in plain site in a high chair .
Good luck getting infants to sit still.I do n't know who 's stupider : The idiots at the TSA who come up with the rules , the politicians that give them this power , or the dickheads that allow the politicians to be elected.I 'll stay well out of your country .
I only wish your fucked up rules did n't get copied by our own government and idiotic organisations .
We just had some ridiculous security restrictions lifted in Australia .
What 's the bet that all gets reversed thanks to you crazy as fuck yanks ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have trouble keeping my son in his high chair with his hands in plain site in a high chair.
Good luck getting infants to sit still.I don't know who's stupider: The idiots at the TSA who come up with the rules, the politicians that give them this power, or the dickheads that allow the politicians to be elected.I'll stay well out of your country.
I only wish your fucked up rules didn't get copied by our own government and idiotic organisations.
We just had some ridiculous security restrictions lifted in Australia.
What's the bet that all gets reversed thanks to you crazy as fuck yanks?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562708</id>
	<title>Re:One hour? Seriously?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261923900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Arabs and Nigerians in the back of the plane and immobilized with chinese finger cuffs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Arabs and Nigerians in the back of the plane and immobilized with chinese finger cuffs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Arabs and Nigerians in the back of the plane and immobilized with chinese finger cuffs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561440</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561488</id>
	<title>This is kind of rediculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261947360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm all for security but now this all nonsensical. Instead of actually making actual changes they just impose extremely annoying rules that have no actual security improvement. What does it matter whether or not it is the last hour...can't the terrorist just set off a bomb...I dunno before the last hour. I don't understand what the actual point of this rule is.</p><p>So if I want to pee, read a book, put something away, or so much as even flinch I'm gonna be threatened with an arrest. Simply inconveniencing people isn't gonna make security any better...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm all for security but now this all nonsensical .
Instead of actually making actual changes they just impose extremely annoying rules that have no actual security improvement .
What does it matter whether or not it is the last hour...ca n't the terrorist just set off a bomb...I dunno before the last hour .
I do n't understand what the actual point of this rule is.So if I want to pee , read a book , put something away , or so much as even flinch I 'm gon na be threatened with an arrest .
Simply inconveniencing people is n't gon na make security any better.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm all for security but now this all nonsensical.
Instead of actually making actual changes they just impose extremely annoying rules that have no actual security improvement.
What does it matter whether or not it is the last hour...can't the terrorist just set off a bomb...I dunno before the last hour.
I don't understand what the actual point of this rule is.So if I want to pee, read a book, put something away, or so much as even flinch I'm gonna be threatened with an arrest.
Simply inconveniencing people isn't gonna make security any better...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30565608</id>
	<title>After that fails, because some kid poops in ....</title>
	<author>Jerry</author>
	<datestamp>1261908900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>his pants and Mommy DEMANDS that she be allowed to take him to the toilet to clean him up, the next decree from the TSA Czar will be to strap bladder bags on everyone and cuff their hands to the arms rests of the seats before takeoff.</p><p>IF that fails then they'll require everyone to be anesthetized before takeoff, and awakened after landing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>his pants and Mommy DEMANDS that she be allowed to take him to the toilet to clean him up , the next decree from the TSA Czar will be to strap bladder bags on everyone and cuff their hands to the arms rests of the seats before takeoff.IF that fails then they 'll require everyone to be anesthetized before takeoff , and awakened after landing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>his pants and Mommy DEMANDS that she be allowed to take him to the toilet to clean him up, the next decree from the TSA Czar will be to strap bladder bags on everyone and cuff their hands to the arms rests of the seats before takeoff.IF that fails then they'll require everyone to be anesthetized before takeoff, and awakened after landing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30569312</id>
	<title>Re:Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1261995660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>* Photos: All electronic equipment must be switched off. I bet it's a digital camera?</i></p><p>I somehow doubt I would be allowed to use my old Zenit 35mm SLR camera... (no electronics apart from analogue TTL light sensor, it's easy to show that its batteries have been removed; also, you can very cheaply get older non-TTL models in which light sensor doesn't require batteries from what I remember). Or 8mm film camera with spring wound drive motor.</p><p>Heck, you should probably expect destruction of film stock before departure, only because it can't go through X-ray and you don't want to show what's inside...so obviously you're hiding something dangerous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* Photos : All electronic equipment must be switched off .
I bet it 's a digital camera ? I somehow doubt I would be allowed to use my old Zenit 35mm SLR camera... ( no electronics apart from analogue TTL light sensor , it 's easy to show that its batteries have been removed ; also , you can very cheaply get older non-TTL models in which light sensor does n't require batteries from what I remember ) .
Or 8mm film camera with spring wound drive motor.Heck , you should probably expect destruction of film stock before departure , only because it ca n't go through X-ray and you do n't want to show what 's inside...so obviously you 're hiding something dangerous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>* Photos: All electronic equipment must be switched off.
I bet it's a digital camera?I somehow doubt I would be allowed to use my old Zenit 35mm SLR camera... (no electronics apart from analogue TTL light sensor, it's easy to show that its batteries have been removed; also, you can very cheaply get older non-TTL models in which light sensor doesn't require batteries from what I remember).
Or 8mm film camera with spring wound drive motor.Heck, you should probably expect destruction of film stock before departure, only because it can't go through X-ray and you don't want to show what's inside...so obviously you're hiding something dangerous.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563308</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562600</id>
	<title>So now the next terrorist...</title>
	<author>cvtan</author>
	<datestamp>1261921860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>will use plan B (plan A having been successfully executed by the Nigerian) where you wait until 70 minutes prior to arriving before arming the bomb.  Plan Z involves setting the plane on fire while passengers are boarding...
Clearly I'm going to need a note from my doctor saying that I have a prostate condition that requires me to visit the bathroom every 50 minutes.  Note that you don't even need explosives to cause a fire; you just use the Empower 15V power plugs to run a little resistance heater to set newspaper on fire.  Think how many TSA rules THAT will spawn!</htmltext>
<tokenext>will use plan B ( plan A having been successfully executed by the Nigerian ) where you wait until 70 minutes prior to arriving before arming the bomb .
Plan Z involves setting the plane on fire while passengers are boarding.. . Clearly I 'm going to need a note from my doctor saying that I have a prostate condition that requires me to visit the bathroom every 50 minutes .
Note that you do n't even need explosives to cause a fire ; you just use the Empower 15V power plugs to run a little resistance heater to set newspaper on fire .
Think how many TSA rules THAT will spawn !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>will use plan B (plan A having been successfully executed by the Nigerian) where you wait until 70 minutes prior to arriving before arming the bomb.
Plan Z involves setting the plane on fire while passengers are boarding...
Clearly I'm going to need a note from my doctor saying that I have a prostate condition that requires me to visit the bathroom every 50 minutes.
Note that you don't even need explosives to cause a fire; you just use the Empower 15V power plugs to run a little resistance heater to set newspaper on fire.
Think how many TSA rules THAT will spawn!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563398</id>
	<title>The Final Solution</title>
	<author>DuBois</author>
	<datestamp>1261932240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All airline passengers will be put in straightjackets for the duration of the flight. Catheters and diapers will be provided.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All airline passengers will be put in straightjackets for the duration of the flight .
Catheters and diapers will be provided .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All airline passengers will be put in straightjackets for the duration of the flight.
Catheters and diapers will be provided.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30570390</id>
	<title>Re:They now need a "pee fee" - not what you think</title>
	<author>mattrwilliams</author>
	<datestamp>1262011440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's worse than you think.  If we are all told to stay in our seats 60 minutes before the expected landing time and then the plane is put into a 30 minute hold by ATC
(due to weather, traffic congestion, etc.), and then another 30 minute hold, and so on, then it can easily become 2 hours or more that a planeload of passengers aren't allowed to go to the washroom.  Result:  a lot of wet seats and "pissed" off passengers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's worse than you think .
If we are all told to stay in our seats 60 minutes before the expected landing time and then the plane is put into a 30 minute hold by ATC ( due to weather , traffic congestion , etc .
) , and then another 30 minute hold , and so on , then it can easily become 2 hours or more that a planeload of passengers are n't allowed to go to the washroom .
Result : a lot of wet seats and " pissed " off passengers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's worse than you think.
If we are all told to stay in our seats 60 minutes before the expected landing time and then the plane is put into a 30 minute hold by ATC
(due to weather, traffic congestion, etc.
), and then another 30 minute hold, and so on, then it can easily become 2 hours or more that a planeload of passengers aren't allowed to go to the washroom.
Result:  a lot of wet seats and "pissed" off passengers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561368</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562624</id>
	<title>No more...</title>
	<author>Zooperman</author>
	<datestamp>1261922400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am with you guys. The US has become a paranoid culture bogged down with ultimately useless regulation and curbs on individual freedoms, thanks to 9/11. I said it then and I say it now: I would rather we turned Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Sudan, Iraq, Iran and Syria into radioactive parking lots, than lose what we were. But it's too late now. Osama has already won, especially when he has so many anti-government radicals in this country who are willing to provide aid and comfort to his cause. Welcome to the new reality.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am with you guys .
The US has become a paranoid culture bogged down with ultimately useless regulation and curbs on individual freedoms , thanks to 9/11 .
I said it then and I say it now : I would rather we turned Afghanistan , Pakistan , Yemen , Sudan , Iraq , Iran and Syria into radioactive parking lots , than lose what we were .
But it 's too late now .
Osama has already won , especially when he has so many anti-government radicals in this country who are willing to provide aid and comfort to his cause .
Welcome to the new reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am with you guys.
The US has become a paranoid culture bogged down with ultimately useless regulation and curbs on individual freedoms, thanks to 9/11.
I said it then and I say it now: I would rather we turned Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Sudan, Iraq, Iran and Syria into radioactive parking lots, than lose what we were.
But it's too late now.
Osama has already won, especially when he has so many anti-government radicals in this country who are willing to provide aid and comfort to his cause.
Welcome to the new reality.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30616786</id>
	<title>Re:Question</title>
	<author>thomasdn</author>
	<datestamp>1230810360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Also, what is stopping terrorists from yelling about having to go take a dump?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , what is stopping terrorists from yelling about having to go take a dump ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, what is stopping terrorists from yelling about having to go take a dump?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561590</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563338</id>
	<title>Re:Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261931460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You sound intelligent enough to use CAPITAL letters. Ever heard of them? You know, you make them by pressing the shift key at the same time you press your letter key.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You sound intelligent enough to use CAPITAL letters .
Ever heard of them ?
You know , you make them by pressing the shift key at the same time you press your letter key .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You sound intelligent enough to use CAPITAL letters.
Ever heard of them?
You know, you make them by pressing the shift key at the same time you press your letter key.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562352</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30568768</id>
	<title>What is all this mess?</title>
	<author>mahadiga</author>
	<datestamp>1261942920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just give some <i>sleeping dose</i> to all passengers till the flight reaches its destination.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just give some sleeping dose to all passengers till the flight reaches its destination .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just give some sleeping dose to all passengers till the flight reaches its destination.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561828</id>
	<title>Re:Prohibited Items</title>
	<author>glwtta</author>
	<datestamp>1261908480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, last time they banned liquids, so this time, I'm guessing, solids?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , last time they banned liquids , so this time , I 'm guessing , solids ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, last time they banned liquids, so this time, I'm guessing, solids?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561382</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562024</id>
	<title>Re:What this incident proved...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261910940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is notable that the person who reportedly subdued the suspect individual was NOT an American.  He was Dutch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is notable that the person who reportedly subdued the suspect individual was NOT an American .
He was Dutch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is notable that the person who reportedly subdued the suspect individual was NOT an American.
He was Dutch.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561462</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562490</id>
	<title>Since 2003</title>
	<author>executivechaos</author>
	<datestamp>1261919520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since 2003 I have not flown into America, I always travel by boat to a shore destination and then take a bus to my final destination.<br> <br>
This is the quintessence of 'over-reaction'. I refuse to be treated like cattle on an airplane simply because the security team on the ground is incompetent<br> <br>
You guys can have fun tolerating this nonsense...the airlines lost my business ages ago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since 2003 I have not flown into America , I always travel by boat to a shore destination and then take a bus to my final destination .
This is the quintessence of 'over-reaction' .
I refuse to be treated like cattle on an airplane simply because the security team on the ground is incompetent You guys can have fun tolerating this nonsense...the airlines lost my business ages ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since 2003 I have not flown into America, I always travel by boat to a shore destination and then take a bus to my final destination.
This is the quintessence of 'over-reaction'.
I refuse to be treated like cattle on an airplane simply because the security team on the ground is incompetent 
You guys can have fun tolerating this nonsense...the airlines lost my business ages ago.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561928</id>
	<title>Re:One hour? Seriously?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261909980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I work in Aviation Security Management (<b>Not</b> in the US, please don't murder me, I'm not responsible for that sack of shit) and I devise, operate and review various Transport Security Programs for various Industry Participants such as Regular Public Transport and Freight Operations and I absolutely agree within this. Once a prohibited item, such as explosives, gets past screening the battle is lost, that said even an explosion during screening would also be just as damaging for the purposes of terrorism. The TSA is one of the most ineffective Transport Security Agencies in the world, I've seen more risks managed better in Vietnam than I have anywhere else in the US when it comes to flight operations. They fail to identify risks and vulnerabilities before a threat exploits them and apply risk treatments after the fact where they are the least effective. Communication between Security Staff and Security Management is atrocious with a lack of proper reporting and review mechanisms for <b>policy</b> failures and issues. These issues have steadily degraded effective and consistent security awareness amongst security staff and created a poor security culture in general which extends far outside of security operations.<br> <br>
Elsewhere in the world the focus is steadily shifting to protecting of IT resources both in the air and on the ground for flight operations and administration, ensuring Business Continuity and Recovery Plans are up to code and auditing processes are proper and functioning and yet in the US they can't even handle the basic preventative measures during the screening process and even terminal logistics. I went to LAX last year and I saw regular breaches of baggage quarantine, lack of functioning access control mechanisms allowing access to restricted airside operations and various other absurdities. Now I'm sure some fool here is going to yell "Don't give the terrorists ideas!", unless these terrorists are blind in both eyes these problems are immediately apparent and those in charge of devising policy consistently ignore the experts advising them not only about these issues but what treatments are available. What are people like me to do? In the US people like me are ignored when we take the proper routes and if we go public we are immediately shunned and treated like criminals for "exposing weaknesses and threatening national security". The whole thing is a joke and in my experience the current state of the saga which is called "aviation security" originates in the US.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I work in Aviation Security Management ( Not in the US , please do n't murder me , I 'm not responsible for that sack of shit ) and I devise , operate and review various Transport Security Programs for various Industry Participants such as Regular Public Transport and Freight Operations and I absolutely agree within this .
Once a prohibited item , such as explosives , gets past screening the battle is lost , that said even an explosion during screening would also be just as damaging for the purposes of terrorism .
The TSA is one of the most ineffective Transport Security Agencies in the world , I 've seen more risks managed better in Vietnam than I have anywhere else in the US when it comes to flight operations .
They fail to identify risks and vulnerabilities before a threat exploits them and apply risk treatments after the fact where they are the least effective .
Communication between Security Staff and Security Management is atrocious with a lack of proper reporting and review mechanisms for policy failures and issues .
These issues have steadily degraded effective and consistent security awareness amongst security staff and created a poor security culture in general which extends far outside of security operations .
Elsewhere in the world the focus is steadily shifting to protecting of IT resources both in the air and on the ground for flight operations and administration , ensuring Business Continuity and Recovery Plans are up to code and auditing processes are proper and functioning and yet in the US they ca n't even handle the basic preventative measures during the screening process and even terminal logistics .
I went to LAX last year and I saw regular breaches of baggage quarantine , lack of functioning access control mechanisms allowing access to restricted airside operations and various other absurdities .
Now I 'm sure some fool here is going to yell " Do n't give the terrorists ideas !
" , unless these terrorists are blind in both eyes these problems are immediately apparent and those in charge of devising policy consistently ignore the experts advising them not only about these issues but what treatments are available .
What are people like me to do ?
In the US people like me are ignored when we take the proper routes and if we go public we are immediately shunned and treated like criminals for " exposing weaknesses and threatening national security " .
The whole thing is a joke and in my experience the current state of the saga which is called " aviation security " originates in the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work in Aviation Security Management (Not in the US, please don't murder me, I'm not responsible for that sack of shit) and I devise, operate and review various Transport Security Programs for various Industry Participants such as Regular Public Transport and Freight Operations and I absolutely agree within this.
Once a prohibited item, such as explosives, gets past screening the battle is lost, that said even an explosion during screening would also be just as damaging for the purposes of terrorism.
The TSA is one of the most ineffective Transport Security Agencies in the world, I've seen more risks managed better in Vietnam than I have anywhere else in the US when it comes to flight operations.
They fail to identify risks and vulnerabilities before a threat exploits them and apply risk treatments after the fact where they are the least effective.
Communication between Security Staff and Security Management is atrocious with a lack of proper reporting and review mechanisms for policy failures and issues.
These issues have steadily degraded effective and consistent security awareness amongst security staff and created a poor security culture in general which extends far outside of security operations.
Elsewhere in the world the focus is steadily shifting to protecting of IT resources both in the air and on the ground for flight operations and administration, ensuring Business Continuity and Recovery Plans are up to code and auditing processes are proper and functioning and yet in the US they can't even handle the basic preventative measures during the screening process and even terminal logistics.
I went to LAX last year and I saw regular breaches of baggage quarantine, lack of functioning access control mechanisms allowing access to restricted airside operations and various other absurdities.
Now I'm sure some fool here is going to yell "Don't give the terrorists ideas!
", unless these terrorists are blind in both eyes these problems are immediately apparent and those in charge of devising policy consistently ignore the experts advising them not only about these issues but what treatments are available.
What are people like me to do?
In the US people like me are ignored when we take the proper routes and if we go public we are immediately shunned and treated like criminals for "exposing weaknesses and threatening national security".
The whole thing is a joke and in my experience the current state of the saga which is called "aviation security" originates in the US.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561440</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561892</id>
	<title>Re:Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>Mashiki</author>
	<datestamp>1261909560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not going to cancel my vacation(s) but I am highly annoyed by this.  It's going to cost us as a consumer more money, not that I'm made of it as it is.  It's going to cut into my good samaritan ability as well.  That is flying half way across Canada/US to drive people to Florida then pay out of pocket to get myself back.  I usually book this stuff months in advance.</p><p>I sadly don't have a solution to this but it very well may get back to the point where taking a ship is less expensive.  And I have travelled from Canada to Europe(France) by freighter before.  It took awhile but it was dirt cheap.  Oh and lets not forget the "helpful and smiling TSA guys" either, they simply piss me off to no end.  Especially since I've changed my appearance I no longer have a heavy beard+long hair, but short hair and am clean shaved, thank goodness I have my security/PI license here which is a government issued document.</p><p>In the mood to give someone a severe beating over this.  If someone wants to help...I'll take 4 others then the line forms up!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not going to cancel my vacation ( s ) but I am highly annoyed by this .
It 's going to cost us as a consumer more money , not that I 'm made of it as it is .
It 's going to cut into my good samaritan ability as well .
That is flying half way across Canada/US to drive people to Florida then pay out of pocket to get myself back .
I usually book this stuff months in advance.I sadly do n't have a solution to this but it very well may get back to the point where taking a ship is less expensive .
And I have travelled from Canada to Europe ( France ) by freighter before .
It took awhile but it was dirt cheap .
Oh and lets not forget the " helpful and smiling TSA guys " either , they simply piss me off to no end .
Especially since I 've changed my appearance I no longer have a heavy beard + long hair , but short hair and am clean shaved , thank goodness I have my security/PI license here which is a government issued document.In the mood to give someone a severe beating over this .
If someone wants to help...I 'll take 4 others then the line forms up !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not going to cancel my vacation(s) but I am highly annoyed by this.
It's going to cost us as a consumer more money, not that I'm made of it as it is.
It's going to cut into my good samaritan ability as well.
That is flying half way across Canada/US to drive people to Florida then pay out of pocket to get myself back.
I usually book this stuff months in advance.I sadly don't have a solution to this but it very well may get back to the point where taking a ship is less expensive.
And I have travelled from Canada to Europe(France) by freighter before.
It took awhile but it was dirt cheap.
Oh and lets not forget the "helpful and smiling TSA guys" either, they simply piss me off to no end.
Especially since I've changed my appearance I no longer have a heavy beard+long hair, but short hair and am clean shaved, thank goodness I have my security/PI license here which is a government issued document.In the mood to give someone a severe beating over this.
If someone wants to help...I'll take 4 others then the line forms up!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562034</id>
	<title>"But..."</title>
	<author>Arancaytar</author>
	<datestamp>1261911120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I have to PEE!"</p><p>"Please remain seated, sir."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I have to PEE !
" " Please remain seated , sir .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I have to PEE!
""Please remain seated, sir.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30566066</id>
	<title>Re:Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>beej</author>
	<datestamp>1261912740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they asked me if I could stand on one foot for 5 seconds at security for no reason whatsoever, it would piss me off.</p><p>So when they ask me to not get up during the last hour of a 10 hour flight, and ask me to check my one international bag instead of carrying it on, all for no reason whatsoever, yes, it pisses me off.</p><p>Why are we paying these guys to come up with this crap?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Don't get me wrong, I hate the Security Theater as much as anyone</p></div><p>I dunno--it kinda sounds like you don't really care that much what horseshit they pile on there, as long as it's only like an hour or something...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they asked me if I could stand on one foot for 5 seconds at security for no reason whatsoever , it would piss me off.So when they ask me to not get up during the last hour of a 10 hour flight , and ask me to check my one international bag instead of carrying it on , all for no reason whatsoever , yes , it pisses me off.Why are we paying these guys to come up with this crap ? Do n't get me wrong , I hate the Security Theater as much as anyoneI dunno--it kinda sounds like you do n't really care that much what horseshit they pile on there , as long as it 's only like an hour or something.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they asked me if I could stand on one foot for 5 seconds at security for no reason whatsoever, it would piss me off.So when they ask me to not get up during the last hour of a 10 hour flight, and ask me to check my one international bag instead of carrying it on, all for no reason whatsoever, yes, it pisses me off.Why are we paying these guys to come up with this crap?Don't get me wrong, I hate the Security Theater as much as anyoneI dunno--it kinda sounds like you don't really care that much what horseshit they pile on there, as long as it's only like an hour or something...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561810</id>
	<title>Re:Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>glwtta</author>
	<datestamp>1261908180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>No, it's that in response to this sliver of a threat, you're guaranteeing that I'll spend twice the time in line, and the flight will be as miserable as you can make it.</i>
<br> <br>
Alright, I'll bite - you canceled your vacation because you may have to spend an extra, what, <i>hour</i> in line?<br> <br>I've seen my fair share of spectacular delays (hey, I used to fly Aeroflot), but the extra time spent just on the security circus?  I can only recall a few times where I spent more than 30 minutes in a security line.  I know people will come back with their horror stories, but we're talking <i>average</i> added time here.
<br> <br>
And the flight itself can be a pretty miserable experience, but how exactly is the security circus adding to that?
<br> <br>
Don't get me wrong, I hate the Security Theater as much as anyone, on an aesthetic level, but let's not pretend that it's the fucking Spanish Inquisition, ok?
<br> <br>
Oh yeah, and now you also have to plan ahead enough so you don't shit your pants during the last hour - yeah, it just doesn't sound like you were all that invested in your vacation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , it 's that in response to this sliver of a threat , you 're guaranteeing that I 'll spend twice the time in line , and the flight will be as miserable as you can make it .
Alright , I 'll bite - you canceled your vacation because you may have to spend an extra , what , hour in line ?
I 've seen my fair share of spectacular delays ( hey , I used to fly Aeroflot ) , but the extra time spent just on the security circus ?
I can only recall a few times where I spent more than 30 minutes in a security line .
I know people will come back with their horror stories , but we 're talking average added time here .
And the flight itself can be a pretty miserable experience , but how exactly is the security circus adding to that ?
Do n't get me wrong , I hate the Security Theater as much as anyone , on an aesthetic level , but let 's not pretend that it 's the fucking Spanish Inquisition , ok ?
Oh yeah , and now you also have to plan ahead enough so you do n't shit your pants during the last hour - yeah , it just does n't sound like you were all that invested in your vacation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, it's that in response to this sliver of a threat, you're guaranteeing that I'll spend twice the time in line, and the flight will be as miserable as you can make it.
Alright, I'll bite - you canceled your vacation because you may have to spend an extra, what, hour in line?
I've seen my fair share of spectacular delays (hey, I used to fly Aeroflot), but the extra time spent just on the security circus?
I can only recall a few times where I spent more than 30 minutes in a security line.
I know people will come back with their horror stories, but we're talking average added time here.
And the flight itself can be a pretty miserable experience, but how exactly is the security circus adding to that?
Don't get me wrong, I hate the Security Theater as much as anyone, on an aesthetic level, but let's not pretend that it's the fucking Spanish Inquisition, ok?
Oh yeah, and now you also have to plan ahead enough so you don't shit your pants during the last hour - yeah, it just doesn't sound like you were all that invested in your vacation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30568528</id>
	<title>Re:OK, this is stupid.</title>
	<author>RightSaidFred99</author>
	<datestamp>1261938840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nonsense.  Getting into Israel is the easy part.  The flight out is where they grill you and it's 10X worse than anything you face in the US.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nonsense .
Getting into Israel is the easy part .
The flight out is where they grill you and it 's 10X worse than anything you face in the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nonsense.
Getting into Israel is the easy part.
The flight out is where they grill you and it's 10X worse than anything you face in the US.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563074</id>
	<title>Re:The "Terrorists" win again...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261928520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>All a would-be "terrorist" have to do is go, "BOO", to get the US to spend billions of dollars</i></p><p>At the top of the power pyramid, the <i>objective</i> is to spend the taxpayer's money. It hardly matters what you spend it on, or whether it succeeds or fails. In the business of government, as long as the money passes through your hands, <i>you win</i>.</p><p>Still don't get it? Let's put this into perspective: a 10 billion dollar project to flush taxpayer money down the toilet would still be a win for the business of government, as long as that money passes through your hands.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All a would-be " terrorist " have to do is go , " BOO " , to get the US to spend billions of dollarsAt the top of the power pyramid , the objective is to spend the taxpayer 's money .
It hardly matters what you spend it on , or whether it succeeds or fails .
In the business of government , as long as the money passes through your hands , you win.Still do n't get it ?
Let 's put this into perspective : a 10 billion dollar project to flush taxpayer money down the toilet would still be a win for the business of government , as long as that money passes through your hands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All a would-be "terrorist" have to do is go, "BOO", to get the US to spend billions of dollarsAt the top of the power pyramid, the objective is to spend the taxpayer's money.
It hardly matters what you spend it on, or whether it succeeds or fails.
In the business of government, as long as the money passes through your hands, you win.Still don't get it?
Let's put this into perspective: a 10 billion dollar project to flush taxpayer money down the toilet would still be a win for the business of government, as long as that money passes through your hands.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30564642</id>
	<title>Re:As the parent of a 1 year old. I say good luck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261944660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; I have trouble keeping my son in his high chair with his hands in plain site in a high chair.<br>&gt; [...] I'll stay well out of your country.</p><p>Thank you. Much appreciated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I have trouble keeping my son in his high chair with his hands in plain site in a high chair. &gt; [ ... ] I 'll stay well out of your country.Thank you .
Much appreciated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; I have trouble keeping my son in his high chair with his hands in plain site in a high chair.&gt; [...] I'll stay well out of your country.Thank you.
Much appreciated.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562882</id>
	<title>Re:They now need a "pee fee" - not what you think</title>
	<author>itsdapead</author>
	<datestamp>1261926180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>or I'll just piss in my paints in the aisle</p></div><p>Actually, the state of the economy class bathrooms towards the end of a 10+ hour flight is usually enough to make this option seem attractive anyhow<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>or I 'll just piss in my paints in the aisleActually , the state of the economy class bathrooms towards the end of a 10 + hour flight is usually enough to make this option seem attractive anyhow : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or I'll just piss in my paints in the aisleActually, the state of the economy class bathrooms towards the end of a 10+ hour flight is usually enough to make this option seem attractive anyhow :-)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561834</id>
	<title>Re:This is kind of rediculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261908780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>can't the terrorist just set off a bomb...I dunno before the last hour. I don't understand what the actual point of this rule is</p></div><p>Scenario 1. Plane crashes while approaching Major City International Airport: holy mother of Jesus, how could that happen, a whole commercial area and half the airport destroyed, tragedy, damages in the billions, oh my god how awful!</p><p>Scenario 2. Plane crashes while still over sea/unpopulated areas: holy shit this is awesome, a whole plane full of heroes, everybody gather around the flag, play the national anthem, patriotic circle-jerk!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>ca n't the terrorist just set off a bomb...I dunno before the last hour .
I do n't understand what the actual point of this rule isScenario 1 .
Plane crashes while approaching Major City International Airport : holy mother of Jesus , how could that happen , a whole commercial area and half the airport destroyed , tragedy , damages in the billions , oh my god how awful ! Scenario 2 .
Plane crashes while still over sea/unpopulated areas : holy shit this is awesome , a whole plane full of heroes , everybody gather around the flag , play the national anthem , patriotic circle-jerk !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>can't the terrorist just set off a bomb...I dunno before the last hour.
I don't understand what the actual point of this rule isScenario 1.
Plane crashes while approaching Major City International Airport: holy mother of Jesus, how could that happen, a whole commercial area and half the airport destroyed, tragedy, damages in the billions, oh my god how awful!Scenario 2.
Plane crashes while still over sea/unpopulated areas: holy shit this is awesome, a whole plane full of heroes, everybody gather around the flag, play the national anthem, patriotic circle-jerk!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561500</id>
	<title>I've seen the future in the past . . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261947480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I will have to re-watch CON-AIR to get familiar with our future flight accommodations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I will have to re-watch CON-AIR to get familiar with our future flight accommodations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I will have to re-watch CON-AIR to get familiar with our future flight accommodations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30567704</id>
	<title>Re:Typical cop response</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261927560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What's next, handcuff passengers to their seats and have police strutting up and down the aisles during flights? Give me an effin' break! </p></div><p>If you don't like it, quite flying!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's next , handcuff passengers to their seats and have police strutting up and down the aisles during flights ?
Give me an effin ' break !
If you do n't like it , quite flying !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's next, handcuff passengers to their seats and have police strutting up and down the aisles during flights?
Give me an effin' break!
If you don't like it, quite flying!
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561912</id>
	<title>Re:A prediction of what's next....</title>
	<author>the\_fat\_kid</author>
	<datestamp>1261909800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"All airline passengers must submit to random body cavity searches at the security checkpoints."</p><p>well, I guess I know what my 2 oz. bottle of liquid will be.<br>or do they sell a proper lubricant at the airport shop?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" All airline passengers must submit to random body cavity searches at the security checkpoints .
" well , I guess I know what my 2 oz .
bottle of liquid will be.or do they sell a proper lubricant at the airport shop ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"All airline passengers must submit to random body cavity searches at the security checkpoints.
"well, I guess I know what my 2 oz.
bottle of liquid will be.or do they sell a proper lubricant at the airport shop?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562352</id>
	<title>Re:Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>richlv</author>
	<datestamp>1261916880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>oh, right, when restrictions come in small amounts, people will get used to them. just like you have.</p><p>if i have to arrive an hour early for a 30 minute flight and waste half an hour of that on ridiculous procedures like taking off my boots (which is annoying as hell in winter, as i have to spend a minute to get them back on), walk over dirty floor in my socks, take out my belt, very often be touched by some man in uniform all over.</p><p>i had nail clippers taken from me. the pointy part was ~ 5 or 6 millimeters long. i had hunted for ones i like for several years and found them on lithuanian market - i still haven't found a replacement that's as good. fucking plastic forks they give out on the flight are more dangerous.</p><p>i'm not allowed to take any drinks with me that i like. more specifically, i'm not allowed to take beer back from germany<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>i'm not allowed to take photos of taking off or landing (which was just fine for decades before, and those times are when you are most likely to get a nice photo). i'm not allowed to FUCKING LISTED TO MUSIC. i've had flight attendants wake me up if i just as much as have headphones on my ears with the player off. i don't like being waken up unless necessary.</p><p>my girlfriend was denied a blanket because "we are taking off". the plane was awfully cold, even i might have preferred a blanket - and i'm the person who wears shorts at zero degrees.</p><p>now that's all europe only. for usa, so i hear, i have to fill forms where required level of stupidity to create them just is not comprehensible to me (do you plan to commit acts of terrorism ?), give fingerprints, subject oneself to arrogant and rude questioning, possibly give out all passwords for any it related devices and maybe even have them confiscated, without any compensation.<br>i don't know firsthand, as i have refused to travel to usa several times in recent past because of this.</p><p>i suppose it all goes down to what level dignity you expect to have. unfortunately, that seems to be way low for too many people.</p><p>now let's see what all these measures help, if any. let's look at the plastic already inside the airplane - i'm sure most of it could be melted with a lighter to create damn efficient knife.<br>talking about what improvised weapons one could bring on the airplane - let's see, it should be trivial to make legs of the glasses very sturdy and with pointy ends to create a very nice weapon.<br>let's look at camera tripods. they already have decent diameter tube. take off the plastic/rubber cap, make the ending a bit sharper, replace the cap - that's an awfully scary weapon, it has a shallow ending to increase bleeding.</p><p>i'm sure slashdot crowd could come up with ways to transform majority of everyday items into weapons, and i'm sure skeery terrirists aren't as dumb and stone age as your media might want to portray them. there has to be some reason why every flight is not terrorised by some whacko with handmade pointy thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>oh , right , when restrictions come in small amounts , people will get used to them .
just like you have.if i have to arrive an hour early for a 30 minute flight and waste half an hour of that on ridiculous procedures like taking off my boots ( which is annoying as hell in winter , as i have to spend a minute to get them back on ) , walk over dirty floor in my socks , take out my belt , very often be touched by some man in uniform all over.i had nail clippers taken from me .
the pointy part was ~ 5 or 6 millimeters long .
i had hunted for ones i like for several years and found them on lithuanian market - i still have n't found a replacement that 's as good .
fucking plastic forks they give out on the flight are more dangerous.i 'm not allowed to take any drinks with me that i like .
more specifically , i 'm not allowed to take beer back from germany : ) i 'm not allowed to take photos of taking off or landing ( which was just fine for decades before , and those times are when you are most likely to get a nice photo ) .
i 'm not allowed to FUCKING LISTED TO MUSIC .
i 've had flight attendants wake me up if i just as much as have headphones on my ears with the player off .
i do n't like being waken up unless necessary.my girlfriend was denied a blanket because " we are taking off " .
the plane was awfully cold , even i might have preferred a blanket - and i 'm the person who wears shorts at zero degrees.now that 's all europe only .
for usa , so i hear , i have to fill forms where required level of stupidity to create them just is not comprehensible to me ( do you plan to commit acts of terrorism ?
) , give fingerprints , subject oneself to arrogant and rude questioning , possibly give out all passwords for any it related devices and maybe even have them confiscated , without any compensation.i do n't know firsthand , as i have refused to travel to usa several times in recent past because of this.i suppose it all goes down to what level dignity you expect to have .
unfortunately , that seems to be way low for too many people.now let 's see what all these measures help , if any .
let 's look at the plastic already inside the airplane - i 'm sure most of it could be melted with a lighter to create damn efficient knife.talking about what improvised weapons one could bring on the airplane - let 's see , it should be trivial to make legs of the glasses very sturdy and with pointy ends to create a very nice weapon.let 's look at camera tripods .
they already have decent diameter tube .
take off the plastic/rubber cap , make the ending a bit sharper , replace the cap - that 's an awfully scary weapon , it has a shallow ending to increase bleeding.i 'm sure slashdot crowd could come up with ways to transform majority of everyday items into weapons , and i 'm sure skeery terrirists are n't as dumb and stone age as your media might want to portray them .
there has to be some reason why every flight is not terrorised by some whacko with handmade pointy thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>oh, right, when restrictions come in small amounts, people will get used to them.
just like you have.if i have to arrive an hour early for a 30 minute flight and waste half an hour of that on ridiculous procedures like taking off my boots (which is annoying as hell in winter, as i have to spend a minute to get them back on), walk over dirty floor in my socks, take out my belt, very often be touched by some man in uniform all over.i had nail clippers taken from me.
the pointy part was ~ 5 or 6 millimeters long.
i had hunted for ones i like for several years and found them on lithuanian market - i still haven't found a replacement that's as good.
fucking plastic forks they give out on the flight are more dangerous.i'm not allowed to take any drinks with me that i like.
more specifically, i'm not allowed to take beer back from germany :)i'm not allowed to take photos of taking off or landing (which was just fine for decades before, and those times are when you are most likely to get a nice photo).
i'm not allowed to FUCKING LISTED TO MUSIC.
i've had flight attendants wake me up if i just as much as have headphones on my ears with the player off.
i don't like being waken up unless necessary.my girlfriend was denied a blanket because "we are taking off".
the plane was awfully cold, even i might have preferred a blanket - and i'm the person who wears shorts at zero degrees.now that's all europe only.
for usa, so i hear, i have to fill forms where required level of stupidity to create them just is not comprehensible to me (do you plan to commit acts of terrorism ?
), give fingerprints, subject oneself to arrogant and rude questioning, possibly give out all passwords for any it related devices and maybe even have them confiscated, without any compensation.i don't know firsthand, as i have refused to travel to usa several times in recent past because of this.i suppose it all goes down to what level dignity you expect to have.
unfortunately, that seems to be way low for too many people.now let's see what all these measures help, if any.
let's look at the plastic already inside the airplane - i'm sure most of it could be melted with a lighter to create damn efficient knife.talking about what improvised weapons one could bring on the airplane - let's see, it should be trivial to make legs of the glasses very sturdy and with pointy ends to create a very nice weapon.let's look at camera tripods.
they already have decent diameter tube.
take off the plastic/rubber cap, make the ending a bit sharper, replace the cap - that's an awfully scary weapon, it has a shallow ending to increase bleeding.i'm sure slashdot crowd could come up with ways to transform majority of everyday items into weapons, and i'm sure skeery terrirists aren't as dumb and stone age as your media might want to portray them.
there has to be some reason why every flight is not terrorised by some whacko with handmade pointy thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30567818</id>
	<title>I don't think that's the main issue</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261928580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am a Finnish computer science student and planned to visit USA for six to twelve months as an exchange student. I then decided against it due to the security procedures and am instead leaving to Germany next fall.</p><p>Whether they are nice at the airport is one thing but important one if you'll only be there a few days. I however am largely turned off by the thought of having to go through an interview process, having to tell them what I'll be doing, who I'll be seeing, where I'll be living... And I can only imagine what the questions would be like after they would find out that I belong to the communist party.</p><p>When you are a peaceful person (pacifist in my case) and legally enter another civilized, democratic country, you should not need to fill out half a dozen forms and tell the country's officials everything about where you'll be staying, who'll you meet... Not to mention interviews. So I chose Germany: I can travel there with no other documents than personal ID card (which I always carry in my wallet anyways) and that's pretty much it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a Finnish computer science student and planned to visit USA for six to twelve months as an exchange student .
I then decided against it due to the security procedures and am instead leaving to Germany next fall.Whether they are nice at the airport is one thing but important one if you 'll only be there a few days .
I however am largely turned off by the thought of having to go through an interview process , having to tell them what I 'll be doing , who I 'll be seeing , where I 'll be living... And I can only imagine what the questions would be like after they would find out that I belong to the communist party.When you are a peaceful person ( pacifist in my case ) and legally enter another civilized , democratic country , you should not need to fill out half a dozen forms and tell the country 's officials everything about where you 'll be staying , who 'll you meet... Not to mention interviews .
So I chose Germany : I can travel there with no other documents than personal ID card ( which I always carry in my wallet anyways ) and that 's pretty much it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a Finnish computer science student and planned to visit USA for six to twelve months as an exchange student.
I then decided against it due to the security procedures and am instead leaving to Germany next fall.Whether they are nice at the airport is one thing but important one if you'll only be there a few days.
I however am largely turned off by the thought of having to go through an interview process, having to tell them what I'll be doing, who I'll be seeing, where I'll be living... And I can only imagine what the questions would be like after they would find out that I belong to the communist party.When you are a peaceful person (pacifist in my case) and legally enter another civilized, democratic country, you should not need to fill out half a dozen forms and tell the country's officials everything about where you'll be staying, who'll you meet... Not to mention interviews.
So I chose Germany: I can travel there with no other documents than personal ID card (which I always carry in my wallet anyways) and that's pretty much it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561594</id>
	<title>A prediction of what's next....</title>
	<author>steve buttgereit</author>
	<datestamp>1261905300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Once the wise bureaucrats of the TSA get a full chance to gather their collective minds together and make thorough examination of incident I fully expect the following policy changes.</p><p>1) All airline passengers must travel nude and will be required to be nude to traverse any security checkpoints.  After all the guy had the goods in his underwear, so to speak.<br>2) All airline passengers must submit to random body cavity searches at the security checkpoints.  This way the TSA is saying they are keeping one step ahead of the bad guys.</p><p>Of course you'll still be allowed to carry on any number of things that a clever person could use as a weapon, but what the hell... perception is more important than reality!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...and some suggest the terrorists have won...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Once the wise bureaucrats of the TSA get a full chance to gather their collective minds together and make thorough examination of incident I fully expect the following policy changes.1 ) All airline passengers must travel nude and will be required to be nude to traverse any security checkpoints .
After all the guy had the goods in his underwear , so to speak.2 ) All airline passengers must submit to random body cavity searches at the security checkpoints .
This way the TSA is saying they are keeping one step ahead of the bad guys.Of course you 'll still be allowed to carry on any number of things that a clever person could use as a weapon , but what the hell... perception is more important than reality !
...and some suggest the terrorists have won.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once the wise bureaucrats of the TSA get a full chance to gather their collective minds together and make thorough examination of incident I fully expect the following policy changes.1) All airline passengers must travel nude and will be required to be nude to traverse any security checkpoints.
After all the guy had the goods in his underwear, so to speak.2) All airline passengers must submit to random body cavity searches at the security checkpoints.
This way the TSA is saying they are keeping one step ahead of the bad guys.Of course you'll still be allowed to carry on any number of things that a clever person could use as a weapon, but what the hell... perception is more important than reality!
...and some suggest the terrorists have won...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30568026</id>
	<title>Because it's their problem, not mine</title>
	<author>gillbates</author>
	<datestamp>1261931340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I drive.  Honestly, though this is ridiculously stupid, why should I care?  Why would I even bother to file a complaint?
</p><p>
I have relatives about 1500 miles east of me.  The last time I visited them, I drove, and had a wonderful time doing it.  I haven't flown since 2005, and even then, it was a miserable experience, without even getting into the airport security fiasco.
</p><p>
Look, this is exactly the reason why we have a free market.  This is the reason why bailing out corporations is bad policy.  The airlines will either figure out how to make flying fun again, or they'll go out of business. It's not my job to tell the airlines and TSA all of the problems with their service; it's their job to figure out how to entice me to fly, rather than drive.  Bankrupting inefficient or unresponsive firms is *how* the free market guarantees customer satisfaction.
</p><p>
So far, they aren't doing a very good job.  But I could care less.  It's not my problem - it's theirs.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I drive .
Honestly , though this is ridiculously stupid , why should I care ?
Why would I even bother to file a complaint ?
I have relatives about 1500 miles east of me .
The last time I visited them , I drove , and had a wonderful time doing it .
I have n't flown since 2005 , and even then , it was a miserable experience , without even getting into the airport security fiasco .
Look , this is exactly the reason why we have a free market .
This is the reason why bailing out corporations is bad policy .
The airlines will either figure out how to make flying fun again , or they 'll go out of business .
It 's not my job to tell the airlines and TSA all of the problems with their service ; it 's their job to figure out how to entice me to fly , rather than drive .
Bankrupting inefficient or unresponsive firms is * how * the free market guarantees customer satisfaction .
So far , they are n't doing a very good job .
But I could care less .
It 's not my problem - it 's theirs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I drive.
Honestly, though this is ridiculously stupid, why should I care?
Why would I even bother to file a complaint?
I have relatives about 1500 miles east of me.
The last time I visited them, I drove, and had a wonderful time doing it.
I haven't flown since 2005, and even then, it was a miserable experience, without even getting into the airport security fiasco.
Look, this is exactly the reason why we have a free market.
This is the reason why bailing out corporations is bad policy.
The airlines will either figure out how to make flying fun again, or they'll go out of business.
It's not my job to tell the airlines and TSA all of the problems with their service; it's their job to figure out how to entice me to fly, rather than drive.
Bankrupting inefficient or unresponsive firms is *how* the free market guarantees customer satisfaction.
So far, they aren't doing a very good job.
But I could care less.
It's not my problem - it's theirs.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561524</id>
	<title>Re:They now need a "pee fee" - not what you think</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261904640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>With all due respect on the aisle thing, if I'm on a long-ish flight, fall asleep after eating whatever...</p></div><p>Or even just if the pilot keeps the "fasten seat belt" sign on for all but 20 minutes of a five hour flight and somehow expects that will be adequate for 100+ economy class passengers all sharing two bathrooms at the back of the plane. Is it really too much to ask that the airlines provide a reasonable opportunity for people to deal with their basic <i>needs</i> (e.g. going to the bathroom)?</p><p>But what really puzzles me is that I watch the news and get the impression that most people are OK with this. The news announcers discuss the new policies as if they were routine common sense measures - and then the news shows a few clips of "ordinary" people saying something to the effect that they understand the need for the new policies.</p><p>Where is the outrage?</p><p>When I drive down the freeway on my way to the airport I see all kinds of people driving recklessly: tailgating, abrupt lane changes, passing at high speed way over in the slowest lane - all while holding a cell phone to the ear. So it can't be that other people somehow generally value human life (or even just their own) much more than me. And it can't really be about legacy "He was a dumbass who got himself killed driving recklessly on the freeway." isn't really any better than "He was a good man who was, through no fault of his own, killed tragically before his time in a senseless terrorist attack." Maybe it's that there's a culture where if you can somehow find a way to be the victim then you can justify being mean to other people (e.g. taking a bigger slice of the pie for yourself) all in the name of "self defense".</p><p>But, anyway, I'm left puzzled: terrorist attacks aren't scary to me because I afraid of the terrorists, terrorists attacks are scary to me because they highlight just how little I have in common with my fellow Americans. At least on Slashdot, I find a few people who seem to be thinking roughly the same things I am.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>With all due respect on the aisle thing , if I 'm on a long-ish flight , fall asleep after eating whatever...Or even just if the pilot keeps the " fasten seat belt " sign on for all but 20 minutes of a five hour flight and somehow expects that will be adequate for 100 + economy class passengers all sharing two bathrooms at the back of the plane .
Is it really too much to ask that the airlines provide a reasonable opportunity for people to deal with their basic needs ( e.g .
going to the bathroom ) ? But what really puzzles me is that I watch the news and get the impression that most people are OK with this .
The news announcers discuss the new policies as if they were routine common sense measures - and then the news shows a few clips of " ordinary " people saying something to the effect that they understand the need for the new policies.Where is the outrage ? When I drive down the freeway on my way to the airport I see all kinds of people driving recklessly : tailgating , abrupt lane changes , passing at high speed way over in the slowest lane - all while holding a cell phone to the ear .
So it ca n't be that other people somehow generally value human life ( or even just their own ) much more than me .
And it ca n't really be about legacy " He was a dumbass who got himself killed driving recklessly on the freeway .
" is n't really any better than " He was a good man who was , through no fault of his own , killed tragically before his time in a senseless terrorist attack .
" Maybe it 's that there 's a culture where if you can somehow find a way to be the victim then you can justify being mean to other people ( e.g .
taking a bigger slice of the pie for yourself ) all in the name of " self defense " .But , anyway , I 'm left puzzled : terrorist attacks are n't scary to me because I afraid of the terrorists , terrorists attacks are scary to me because they highlight just how little I have in common with my fellow Americans .
At least on Slashdot , I find a few people who seem to be thinking roughly the same things I am .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With all due respect on the aisle thing, if I'm on a long-ish flight, fall asleep after eating whatever...Or even just if the pilot keeps the "fasten seat belt" sign on for all but 20 minutes of a five hour flight and somehow expects that will be adequate for 100+ economy class passengers all sharing two bathrooms at the back of the plane.
Is it really too much to ask that the airlines provide a reasonable opportunity for people to deal with their basic needs (e.g.
going to the bathroom)?But what really puzzles me is that I watch the news and get the impression that most people are OK with this.
The news announcers discuss the new policies as if they were routine common sense measures - and then the news shows a few clips of "ordinary" people saying something to the effect that they understand the need for the new policies.Where is the outrage?When I drive down the freeway on my way to the airport I see all kinds of people driving recklessly: tailgating, abrupt lane changes, passing at high speed way over in the slowest lane - all while holding a cell phone to the ear.
So it can't be that other people somehow generally value human life (or even just their own) much more than me.
And it can't really be about legacy "He was a dumbass who got himself killed driving recklessly on the freeway.
" isn't really any better than "He was a good man who was, through no fault of his own, killed tragically before his time in a senseless terrorist attack.
" Maybe it's that there's a culture where if you can somehow find a way to be the victim then you can justify being mean to other people (e.g.
taking a bigger slice of the pie for yourself) all in the name of "self defense".But, anyway, I'm left puzzled: terrorist attacks aren't scary to me because I afraid of the terrorists, terrorists attacks are scary to me because they highlight just how little I have in common with my fellow Americans.
At least on Slashdot, I find a few people who seem to be thinking roughly the same things I am.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563184</id>
	<title>This has reached Freaking INSANE levels</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261929900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First off, the TSA and US Government F@CKED up.  This guy had been on a lot of lists for over a year.   Amsterdam security also missed him as well.<br>Now, everyone else gets to pay.   I heard this morning that there is now another FEE (tax) $30 per carry on.   Also, no moving around on planes.<br>Hassle goes up at the airports, you pay extra to be treated like crap, and of course using your laptop is not allowed.<br>I am ready to stop flying/</p><p>Somehow we have to get our freedom and lives back.  The government is making it worse than the consequences.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First off , the TSA and US Government F @ CKED up .
This guy had been on a lot of lists for over a year .
Amsterdam security also missed him as well.Now , everyone else gets to pay .
I heard this morning that there is now another FEE ( tax ) $ 30 per carry on .
Also , no moving around on planes.Hassle goes up at the airports , you pay extra to be treated like crap , and of course using your laptop is not allowed.I am ready to stop flying/Somehow we have to get our freedom and lives back .
The government is making it worse than the consequences .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First off, the TSA and US Government F@CKED up.
This guy had been on a lot of lists for over a year.
Amsterdam security also missed him as well.Now, everyone else gets to pay.
I heard this morning that there is now another FEE (tax) $30 per carry on.
Also, no moving around on planes.Hassle goes up at the airports, you pay extra to be treated like crap, and of course using your laptop is not allowed.I am ready to stop flying/Somehow we have to get our freedom and lives back.
The government is making it worse than the consequences.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561854</id>
	<title>Re:As the parent of a 1 year old. I say good luck</title>
	<author>furball</author>
	<datestamp>1261909080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the dickheads that allow the politicians to be elected.</p></div><p>That'd be the voters.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the dickheads that allow the politicians to be elected.That 'd be the voters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the dickheads that allow the politicians to be elected.That'd be the voters.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563778</id>
	<title>Oh, and one more thing...</title>
	<author>haapi</author>
	<datestamp>1261936440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No eating of burritos and cole slaw for 24 hours before the flight.  Can't allow potentially deadly explosive by-products aboard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No eating of burritos and cole slaw for 24 hours before the flight .
Ca n't allow potentially deadly explosive by-products aboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No eating of burritos and cole slaw for 24 hours before the flight.
Can't allow potentially deadly explosive by-products aboard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30572822</id>
	<title>Re:Contact the TSA/airlines/Congress</title>
	<author>CompMD</author>
	<datestamp>1262023980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"...how many of us take our comments beyond a Slashdot post?"</p><p>I took it beyond a post.  I became a private pilot and haven't been on a commercial airliner since before I started flight training.  If I need to go somewhere in the US, if driving is impractical, I'll rent or borrow an airplane.  A friend of mine has done the same thing, and he even flew himself from Oklahoma to Jamaica with some family.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...how many of us take our comments beyond a Slashdot post ?
" I took it beyond a post .
I became a private pilot and have n't been on a commercial airliner since before I started flight training .
If I need to go somewhere in the US , if driving is impractical , I 'll rent or borrow an airplane .
A friend of mine has done the same thing , and he even flew himself from Oklahoma to Jamaica with some family .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...how many of us take our comments beyond a Slashdot post?
"I took it beyond a post.
I became a private pilot and haven't been on a commercial airliner since before I started flight training.
If I need to go somewhere in the US, if driving is impractical, I'll rent or borrow an airplane.
A friend of mine has done the same thing, and he even flew himself from Oklahoma to Jamaica with some family.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561840</id>
	<title>Re:Enough of this shit already</title>
	<author>Dunbal</author>
	<datestamp>1261908840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>however it's pissing me off in a major way that a lot of people seem to think this is a big deal. It's not!</i></p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Come on. Until this happened, the media was trying to stir up sympathy for the tsunami that happened five years ago. NOW they have a "story" to scare grandmothers with! Boo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>however it 's pissing me off in a major way that a lot of people seem to think this is a big deal .
It 's not !
      Come on .
Until this happened , the media was trying to stir up sympathy for the tsunami that happened five years ago .
NOW they have a " story " to scare grandmothers with !
Boo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>however it's pissing me off in a major way that a lot of people seem to think this is a big deal.
It's not!
      Come on.
Until this happened, the media was trying to stir up sympathy for the tsunami that happened five years ago.
NOW they have a "story" to scare grandmothers with!
Boo.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561708</id>
	<title>OK, this is stupid.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261906560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's stupid not because it's exaggerated, but because it's ineffective. It's BS. I went to a conference in the US at the end of November, and was reminded just how bad it is to fly to and from the US. I have also flown to and from Israel, a country very much in the crosshairs of terrorists, and the security procedure was MUCH more humane, both on the flights and at boarding. (in fact, I didn't even need a visa for Israel, while I need to go through an incredibly complicated and expensive procedure to get a US visa... but this is a different story (or is it?))  The Israelis do have some security processes in place, but they are mostly stealth and unobtrusive. Well, in any case, they must be doing something right, because there has not been a hijacked or otherwise terror-affected flight to or from Israel in decades now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's stupid not because it 's exaggerated , but because it 's ineffective .
It 's BS .
I went to a conference in the US at the end of November , and was reminded just how bad it is to fly to and from the US .
I have also flown to and from Israel , a country very much in the crosshairs of terrorists , and the security procedure was MUCH more humane , both on the flights and at boarding .
( in fact , I did n't even need a visa for Israel , while I need to go through an incredibly complicated and expensive procedure to get a US visa... but this is a different story ( or is it ?
) ) The Israelis do have some security processes in place , but they are mostly stealth and unobtrusive .
Well , in any case , they must be doing something right , because there has not been a hijacked or otherwise terror-affected flight to or from Israel in decades now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's stupid not because it's exaggerated, but because it's ineffective.
It's BS.
I went to a conference in the US at the end of November, and was reminded just how bad it is to fly to and from the US.
I have also flown to and from Israel, a country very much in the crosshairs of terrorists, and the security procedure was MUCH more humane, both on the flights and at boarding.
(in fact, I didn't even need a visa for Israel, while I need to go through an incredibly complicated and expensive procedure to get a US visa... but this is a different story (or is it?
))  The Israelis do have some security processes in place, but they are mostly stealth and unobtrusive.
Well, in any case, they must be doing something right, because there has not been a hijacked or otherwise terror-affected flight to or from Israel in decades now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30566634</id>
	<title>Re:They now need a "pee fee" - not what you think</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261917900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>With all due respect on the aisle thing, if I'm on a long-ish flight, fall asleep after eating whatever, and I have to pee badly enough, stand aside and let me use the lav, or I'll just piss in my paints in the aisle and let the cleaning crew on the ground deal with it... not my fault you guys tied to keep me from using the bathroom despite pointing out how badly I needed it a dozen++ times.</p><p>I wish I was kidding, but I'm not. The TSA has gone beyond asinine now.</p></div><p>Don't worry, they will still get you by putting you on the sex offenders list for public urination.</p><p>But in all seriousness, I had my Christmas presents stolen in my check-in bag with a TSA approved lock on my way home this year. Who is going to protect us from TSA?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>With all due respect on the aisle thing , if I 'm on a long-ish flight , fall asleep after eating whatever , and I have to pee badly enough , stand aside and let me use the lav , or I 'll just piss in my paints in the aisle and let the cleaning crew on the ground deal with it... not my fault you guys tied to keep me from using the bathroom despite pointing out how badly I needed it a dozen + + times.I wish I was kidding , but I 'm not .
The TSA has gone beyond asinine now.Do n't worry , they will still get you by putting you on the sex offenders list for public urination.But in all seriousness , I had my Christmas presents stolen in my check-in bag with a TSA approved lock on my way home this year .
Who is going to protect us from TSA ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With all due respect on the aisle thing, if I'm on a long-ish flight, fall asleep after eating whatever, and I have to pee badly enough, stand aside and let me use the lav, or I'll just piss in my paints in the aisle and let the cleaning crew on the ground deal with it... not my fault you guys tied to keep me from using the bathroom despite pointing out how badly I needed it a dozen++ times.I wish I was kidding, but I'm not.
The TSA has gone beyond asinine now.Don't worry, they will still get you by putting you on the sex offenders list for public urination.But in all seriousness, I had my Christmas presents stolen in my check-in bag with a TSA approved lock on my way home this year.
Who is going to protect us from TSA?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562146</id>
	<title>Re:Prohibited Items</title>
	<author>AHuxley</author>
	<datestamp>1261912920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The bomb on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine\_Airlines\_Flight\_434" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine\_Airlines\_Flight\_434</a> [wikipedia.org] used liquid nitroglycerin disguised as a bottle of contact lens fluid and a timer in 1994.<br>
Bulk is now a problem.  You need something very small, energetic and hard to 'sniff'.  <br>Wait for a state sponsor to leak the next gen of binary tech.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The bomb on http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine \ _Airlines \ _Flight \ _434 [ wikipedia.org ] used liquid nitroglycerin disguised as a bottle of contact lens fluid and a timer in 1994 .
Bulk is now a problem .
You need something very small , energetic and hard to 'sniff' .
Wait for a state sponsor to leak the next gen of binary tech .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The bomb on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine\_Airlines\_Flight\_434 [wikipedia.org] used liquid nitroglycerin disguised as a bottle of contact lens fluid and a timer in 1994.
Bulk is now a problem.
You need something very small, energetic and hard to 'sniff'.
Wait for a state sponsor to leak the next gen of binary tech.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563036</id>
	<title>Re:Enough of this shit already</title>
	<author>b1t r0t</author>
	<datestamp>1261928100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Number of people dead from an airplane incident this year: 0</p></div><p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_accidents\_and\_incidents\_involving\_commercial\_aircraft#2009" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft - 2009</a> [wikipedia.org]
</p><p>Depends on how you define an "airplane incident". I count 499 just on that list alone*. None (or very few) of those car accidents or cancer cases were caused by terrorism, or even more generally someone intentionally making them happen. Or was there some reason you were afraid to use the T-word and re-defined "incident" to be an euphemism thereof?
</p><p>*of course those who died in general aviation accidents are not listed; just last month two died near Austin, TX when a Cessna crashed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Number of people dead from an airplane incident this year : 0 List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft - 2009 [ wikipedia.org ] Depends on how you define an " airplane incident " .
I count 499 just on that list alone * .
None ( or very few ) of those car accidents or cancer cases were caused by terrorism , or even more generally someone intentionally making them happen .
Or was there some reason you were afraid to use the T-word and re-defined " incident " to be an euphemism thereof ?
* of course those who died in general aviation accidents are not listed ; just last month two died near Austin , TX when a Cessna crashed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Number of people dead from an airplane incident this year: 0 List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft - 2009 [wikipedia.org]
Depends on how you define an "airplane incident".
I count 499 just on that list alone*.
None (or very few) of those car accidents or cancer cases were caused by terrorism, or even more generally someone intentionally making them happen.
Or was there some reason you were afraid to use the T-word and re-defined "incident" to be an euphemism thereof?
*of course those who died in general aviation accidents are not listed; just last month two died near Austin, TX when a Cessna crashed.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561374</id>
	<title>Boy, flying just keeps getting better!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261946280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The TSA's policy of retroactive bans has already made flying almost unbearable. Does terrorism need not even succeed anymore to impact our day-to-day lives so much?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The TSA 's policy of retroactive bans has already made flying almost unbearable .
Does terrorism need not even succeed anymore to impact our day-to-day lives so much ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The TSA's policy of retroactive bans has already made flying almost unbearable.
Does terrorism need not even succeed anymore to impact our day-to-day lives so much?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30564346</id>
	<title>Safety vs. Security</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261941660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>i'm not allowed to take beer back from germany</p></div><p>
Yes you are - you are just not allowed to have it in the cabin with you. There is nothing preventing you from checking it.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>my girlfriend was denied a blanket because "we are taking off".</p></div><p>
That is a reasonable safety issue, not a security one. They do not want bags, blankets etc. blocking seat rows in the event of a emergency at take off and landing where they are most likely to occur and where there is no time to clear things away if one does happen.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>i'm not allowed to FUCKING LISTED TO MUSIC..... i don't like being waken up unless necessary.</p></div><p>
Again this is a safety issue. They want to make sure that you can hear any emergency announcements at take off and landing when there is very little time to act. In Canada now you are allowed to wear headphones connected to the plane's internal audio (which will presumably play any announcements).
<br> <br>
However your post does demonstrate a predictable reaction to all the stupid, assinine "security" rules which they keep throwing at us. Eventually people will get so irritated and annoyed by all the idiocy that they will stop listening and obeying all these rules because, if they know that 50\% of them are stupid then perhaps the other 50\% are as well. At that point you lose the willing cooperation of passengers and end up with a net reduction in safety.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>i 'm not allowed to take beer back from germany Yes you are - you are just not allowed to have it in the cabin with you .
There is nothing preventing you from checking it.my girlfriend was denied a blanket because " we are taking off " .
That is a reasonable safety issue , not a security one .
They do not want bags , blankets etc .
blocking seat rows in the event of a emergency at take off and landing where they are most likely to occur and where there is no time to clear things away if one does happen.i 'm not allowed to FUCKING LISTED TO MUSIC..... i do n't like being waken up unless necessary .
Again this is a safety issue .
They want to make sure that you can hear any emergency announcements at take off and landing when there is very little time to act .
In Canada now you are allowed to wear headphones connected to the plane 's internal audio ( which will presumably play any announcements ) .
However your post does demonstrate a predictable reaction to all the stupid , assinine " security " rules which they keep throwing at us .
Eventually people will get so irritated and annoyed by all the idiocy that they will stop listening and obeying all these rules because , if they know that 50 \ % of them are stupid then perhaps the other 50 \ % are as well .
At that point you lose the willing cooperation of passengers and end up with a net reduction in safety .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i'm not allowed to take beer back from germany
Yes you are - you are just not allowed to have it in the cabin with you.
There is nothing preventing you from checking it.my girlfriend was denied a blanket because "we are taking off".
That is a reasonable safety issue, not a security one.
They do not want bags, blankets etc.
blocking seat rows in the event of a emergency at take off and landing where they are most likely to occur and where there is no time to clear things away if one does happen.i'm not allowed to FUCKING LISTED TO MUSIC..... i don't like being waken up unless necessary.
Again this is a safety issue.
They want to make sure that you can hear any emergency announcements at take off and landing when there is very little time to act.
In Canada now you are allowed to wear headphones connected to the plane's internal audio (which will presumably play any announcements).
However your post does demonstrate a predictable reaction to all the stupid, assinine "security" rules which they keep throwing at us.
Eventually people will get so irritated and annoyed by all the idiocy that they will stop listening and obeying all these rules because, if they know that 50\% of them are stupid then perhaps the other 50\% are as well.
At that point you lose the willing cooperation of passengers and end up with a net reduction in safety.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561450</id>
	<title>I feel safer now.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261947000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Much, much safer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Much , much safer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Much, much safer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30565914</id>
	<title>Your hands in sight: War on onboard masturbation?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261911540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, I know, I can type more than that for my comment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , I know , I can type more than that for my comment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, I know, I can type more than that for my comment.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562016</id>
	<title>Re:Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>Truekaiser</author>
	<datestamp>1261910820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>how about every failed airline has to turn their planes into housing?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>how about every failed airline has to turn their planes into housing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how about every failed airline has to turn their planes into housing?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30568892</id>
	<title>Re:Contact the TSA/airlines/Congress</title>
	<author>Stu Charlton</author>
	<datestamp>1262031360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As I've said elsewhere, I fly regularly, and until this weekend, the TSA, while generally surly, has not been as much of a hassle as most people here that swear off flying think it is.     Yes, I'm a white Canadian, so it colours my experience, but I don't think that makes it worth dismissing.</p><p>I flew the day the airports reopened after 9-11, through the shoe bomber incident, the liquid bomber crap,  and now this fire cracker asshat.    I do think the TSA needs to change it's policy on responding to terrorist threats, and avoid these panic-stricken restrictions, like the ones this weekend, or 2006's liquid/gel restriction.   They are pure theatre.</p><p>But usually, after the initial slow down, things get quite manageable and efficient at security checkpoints.   For every anecdotal horror story, there are dozens of regular travellers that continue to travel this way, and it's gotten much more efficient than back in 2001-2002.  The TSA needs to improve, absolutely, but I think many people that swore off flying years ago have imagined a beast far worse than the reality.</p><p>One can stop flying because they don't like being patted down and searched, and that's fine.  It's a tradeoff.</p><p>But I also believe that it is politically impossible for the U.S. to drastically change their philosophy of airport checkpoint security, in spite of your best efforts to contact your congressman about this matter.    The political climate is way too polarized.  Minor adjustments will probably be achievable though.   And I really hope this weekend's restrictions are lifted, the current news seems to indicate it will after Tuesday.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As I 've said elsewhere , I fly regularly , and until this weekend , the TSA , while generally surly , has not been as much of a hassle as most people here that swear off flying think it is .
Yes , I 'm a white Canadian , so it colours my experience , but I do n't think that makes it worth dismissing.I flew the day the airports reopened after 9-11 , through the shoe bomber incident , the liquid bomber crap , and now this fire cracker asshat .
I do think the TSA needs to change it 's policy on responding to terrorist threats , and avoid these panic-stricken restrictions , like the ones this weekend , or 2006 's liquid/gel restriction .
They are pure theatre.But usually , after the initial slow down , things get quite manageable and efficient at security checkpoints .
For every anecdotal horror story , there are dozens of regular travellers that continue to travel this way , and it 's gotten much more efficient than back in 2001-2002 .
The TSA needs to improve , absolutely , but I think many people that swore off flying years ago have imagined a beast far worse than the reality.One can stop flying because they do n't like being patted down and searched , and that 's fine .
It 's a tradeoff.But I also believe that it is politically impossible for the U.S. to drastically change their philosophy of airport checkpoint security , in spite of your best efforts to contact your congressman about this matter .
The political climate is way too polarized .
Minor adjustments will probably be achievable though .
And I really hope this weekend 's restrictions are lifted , the current news seems to indicate it will after Tuesday .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As I've said elsewhere, I fly regularly, and until this weekend, the TSA, while generally surly, has not been as much of a hassle as most people here that swear off flying think it is.
Yes, I'm a white Canadian, so it colours my experience, but I don't think that makes it worth dismissing.I flew the day the airports reopened after 9-11, through the shoe bomber incident, the liquid bomber crap,  and now this fire cracker asshat.
I do think the TSA needs to change it's policy on responding to terrorist threats, and avoid these panic-stricken restrictions, like the ones this weekend, or 2006's liquid/gel restriction.
They are pure theatre.But usually, after the initial slow down, things get quite manageable and efficient at security checkpoints.
For every anecdotal horror story, there are dozens of regular travellers that continue to travel this way, and it's gotten much more efficient than back in 2001-2002.
The TSA needs to improve, absolutely, but I think many people that swore off flying years ago have imagined a beast far worse than the reality.One can stop flying because they don't like being patted down and searched, and that's fine.
It's a tradeoff.But I also believe that it is politically impossible for the U.S. to drastically change their philosophy of airport checkpoint security, in spite of your best efforts to contact your congressman about this matter.
The political climate is way too polarized.
Minor adjustments will probably be achievable though.
And I really hope this weekend's restrictions are lifted, the current news seems to indicate it will after Tuesday.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562002</id>
	<title>This rule murders people</title>
	<author>andi75</author>
	<datestamp>1261910700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After this rule more people will die from blood clots.</p><p>Sane airlines actually encourage people to get up from their seats at regular intervals.</p><p>E.g. Edelweiss Air used to show a video explaining the issue (I haven't flown with them in a while so I don't know about the current situation), Emirates has some pictures on how to keep circulation intact etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After this rule more people will die from blood clots.Sane airlines actually encourage people to get up from their seats at regular intervals.E.g .
Edelweiss Air used to show a video explaining the issue ( I have n't flown with them in a while so I do n't know about the current situation ) , Emirates has some pictures on how to keep circulation intact etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After this rule more people will die from blood clots.Sane airlines actually encourage people to get up from their seats at regular intervals.E.g.
Edelweiss Air used to show a video explaining the issue (I haven't flown with them in a while so I don't know about the current situation), Emirates has some pictures on how to keep circulation intact etc.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30566734</id>
	<title>Just went through this shit....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261918800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>...and it pisses me off. We had to sit in our seats, not touch our stuff, and simply wait for an hour while the plane lands. I fail to see what the idea is behind this. I do see one reason for the next holiday to the US to divert to a different (read: less anal...) country. I'm still looking for ways to file a complaint on this, if anyone has an idea post a reply.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and it pisses me off .
We had to sit in our seats , not touch our stuff , and simply wait for an hour while the plane lands .
I fail to see what the idea is behind this .
I do see one reason for the next holiday to the US to divert to a different ( read : less anal... ) country .
I 'm still looking for ways to file a complaint on this , if anyone has an idea post a reply .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and it pisses me off.
We had to sit in our seats, not touch our stuff, and simply wait for an hour while the plane lands.
I fail to see what the idea is behind this.
I do see one reason for the next holiday to the US to divert to a different (read: less anal...) country.
I'm still looking for ways to file a complaint on this, if anyone has an idea post a reply.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562438</id>
	<title>Shoot him</title>
	<author>argee</author>
	<datestamp>1261918680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Rather than pass all sort of inconvenient regs,
they should just have taken the Nigerion fellow
out back and shot him.  It would have been a much
greater deterrent than a bunch of silly regulations that will utimately result in someone taking a shit
right in their seat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Rather than pass all sort of inconvenient regs , they should just have taken the Nigerion fellow out back and shot him .
It would have been a much greater deterrent than a bunch of silly regulations that will utimately result in someone taking a shit right in their seat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rather than pass all sort of inconvenient regs,
they should just have taken the Nigerion fellow
out back and shot him.
It would have been a much
greater deterrent than a bunch of silly regulations that will utimately result in someone taking a shit
right in their seat.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563620</id>
	<title>RE-FUCKING-TARDED!</title>
	<author>gbutler69</author>
	<datestamp>1261934640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We need to immediately start a campaign to have everyone who comes up with these dip-shit ideas lined up against a wall and shot as traitors to the nation. The TSA can go fuck itself. I will absolutely REFUSE to follow these regulations. If I have to go to the bathroom, I'm going to take a goddamn piss. If they don't let me, I'm wipping my dick out and pissing on the floor. I say everyone should take this attitude. REFUSE to be herded like sheep!</htmltext>
<tokenext>We need to immediately start a campaign to have everyone who comes up with these dip-shit ideas lined up against a wall and shot as traitors to the nation .
The TSA can go fuck itself .
I will absolutely REFUSE to follow these regulations .
If I have to go to the bathroom , I 'm going to take a goddamn piss .
If they do n't let me , I 'm wipping my dick out and pissing on the floor .
I say everyone should take this attitude .
REFUSE to be herded like sheep !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We need to immediately start a campaign to have everyone who comes up with these dip-shit ideas lined up against a wall and shot as traitors to the nation.
The TSA can go fuck itself.
I will absolutely REFUSE to follow these regulations.
If I have to go to the bathroom, I'm going to take a goddamn piss.
If they don't let me, I'm wipping my dick out and pissing on the floor.
I say everyone should take this attitude.
REFUSE to be herded like sheep!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30574272</id>
	<title>Re:As the parent of a 1 year old. I say good luck</title>
	<author>joshd</author>
	<datestamp>1262030820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed. What's the bet that some time in the near future we'll have such measures of stupidity put in place in Australia just like they do in the US?</p><p>I think security at domestic Australian airports is fantastic - you don't get treated like a criminal. We can still keep our shoes on. We are still allowed to take bottles of water or any other liquid with us. People who are not travelling are still allowed access through security to the departure gates. So much less of a hassle!</p><p>I do a fair bit of flying to the US, and it's measures like this that just piss me off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
What 's the bet that some time in the near future we 'll have such measures of stupidity put in place in Australia just like they do in the US ? I think security at domestic Australian airports is fantastic - you do n't get treated like a criminal .
We can still keep our shoes on .
We are still allowed to take bottles of water or any other liquid with us .
People who are not travelling are still allowed access through security to the departure gates .
So much less of a hassle ! I do a fair bit of flying to the US , and it 's measures like this that just piss me off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
What's the bet that some time in the near future we'll have such measures of stupidity put in place in Australia just like they do in the US?I think security at domestic Australian airports is fantastic - you don't get treated like a criminal.
We can still keep our shoes on.
We are still allowed to take bottles of water or any other liquid with us.
People who are not travelling are still allowed access through security to the departure gates.
So much less of a hassle!I do a fair bit of flying to the US, and it's measures like this that just piss me off.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561736</id>
	<title>Re:As the parent of a 1 year old. I say good luck</title>
	<author>nulldaemon</author>
	<datestamp>1261906860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I have trouble keeping my son in his high chair with his hands in plain site in a high chair. Good luck getting infants to sit still.</p><p>I don't know who's stupider: The idiots at the TSA who come up with the rules, the politicians that give them this power, or the dickheads that allow the politicians to be elected.</p><p>I'll stay well out of your country. I only wish your fucked up rules didn't get copied by our own government and idiotic organisations. We just had some ridiculous security restrictions lifted in Australia. What's the bet that all gets reversed thanks to you crazy as fuck yanks?</p></div><p>Not likely: <a href="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/us-bound-passengers-in-for-tightened-security/story-e6frg6n6-1225813969830" title="theaustralian.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/us-bound-passengers-in-for-tightened-security/story-e6frg6n6-1225813969830</a> [theaustralian.com.au] </p><blockquote><div><p>The Australian government relaxed airplane security measures, which came into affect on Friday.<br> <br>
Items including nail clippers and knitting needles are no longer prohibited.<br> <br>
Mr Albanese said those changes would remain in effect for good reason.<br> <br>
&ldquo;To take security personnel away from worrying about whether nail clippers are on board or not and worry about firearms and high-risk dangerous items,&rdquo; he said.</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have trouble keeping my son in his high chair with his hands in plain site in a high chair .
Good luck getting infants to sit still.I do n't know who 's stupider : The idiots at the TSA who come up with the rules , the politicians that give them this power , or the dickheads that allow the politicians to be elected.I 'll stay well out of your country .
I only wish your fucked up rules did n't get copied by our own government and idiotic organisations .
We just had some ridiculous security restrictions lifted in Australia .
What 's the bet that all gets reversed thanks to you crazy as fuck yanks ? Not likely : http : //www.theaustralian.com.au/news/us-bound-passengers-in-for-tightened-security/story-e6frg6n6-1225813969830 [ theaustralian.com.au ] The Australian government relaxed airplane security measures , which came into affect on Friday .
Items including nail clippers and knitting needles are no longer prohibited .
Mr Albanese said those changes would remain in effect for good reason .
   To take security personnel away from worrying about whether nail clippers are on board or not and worry about firearms and high-risk dangerous items ,    he said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have trouble keeping my son in his high chair with his hands in plain site in a high chair.
Good luck getting infants to sit still.I don't know who's stupider: The idiots at the TSA who come up with the rules, the politicians that give them this power, or the dickheads that allow the politicians to be elected.I'll stay well out of your country.
I only wish your fucked up rules didn't get copied by our own government and idiotic organisations.
We just had some ridiculous security restrictions lifted in Australia.
What's the bet that all gets reversed thanks to you crazy as fuck yanks?Not likely: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/us-bound-passengers-in-for-tightened-security/story-e6frg6n6-1225813969830 [theaustralian.com.au] The Australian government relaxed airplane security measures, which came into affect on Friday.
Items including nail clippers and knitting needles are no longer prohibited.
Mr Albanese said those changes would remain in effect for good reason.
“To take security personnel away from worrying about whether nail clippers are on board or not and worry about firearms and high-risk dangerous items,” he said.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562648</id>
	<title>The DHS are the terrorists</title>
	<author>David Gerard</author>
	<datestamp>1261923060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <b>DOCTOROW, Schneier,</b> Sunday &mdash; After the Detroit Christmas firecracker incident, the Transport Security Administration now requires all US airline passengers to be strapped into their seats naked with catheters fitted, for their <a href="http://newstechnica.com/2009/12/27/tsa-locks-down-air-transport-for-your-own-good/" title="newstechnica.com">comfort and convenience</a> [newstechnica.com].</p><p>"It's the most efficient way to keep the country moving and let the TERRORISTS know they haven't won," said TSA head Gale Rossides. "We're just trying to work out what to do when the TERRORISTS work out how to set off bombs by clenching their butt cheeks together."</p><p>Passengers are advised not to bother with laptops ("You could explode the batteries with your urine!"), iPods or the vile containers of sedition such as "books." "Carriage of any carryon item will result in lengthy security delays for the customer," said a TSA advisory, "but, in response to customer concerns, the TSA officer with the latex glove will give you a box of chocolates and promises to respect you in the morning, and will <i>definitely</i> call you later in the week. Honestly."</p><p>US tourism offices have finally given up and shut up shop. "I hear Afghanistan is pretty nice this time of year. Iran's pretty good too."</p><p>Officials at Amtrak did not give a comment on the phone, just the sound of dancing around their offices singing "We're In The Money."</p><p>The passenger who allegedly set off the firecracker has mounted a stern defense, showing his paycheck from the Department of Homeland Security's Subdepartment of Job Preservation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DOCTOROW , Schneier , Sunday    After the Detroit Christmas firecracker incident , the Transport Security Administration now requires all US airline passengers to be strapped into their seats naked with catheters fitted , for their comfort and convenience [ newstechnica.com ] .
" It 's the most efficient way to keep the country moving and let the TERRORISTS know they have n't won , " said TSA head Gale Rossides .
" We 're just trying to work out what to do when the TERRORISTS work out how to set off bombs by clenching their butt cheeks together .
" Passengers are advised not to bother with laptops ( " You could explode the batteries with your urine !
" ) , iPods or the vile containers of sedition such as " books .
" " Carriage of any carryon item will result in lengthy security delays for the customer , " said a TSA advisory , " but , in response to customer concerns , the TSA officer with the latex glove will give you a box of chocolates and promises to respect you in the morning , and will definitely call you later in the week .
Honestly. " US tourism offices have finally given up and shut up shop .
" I hear Afghanistan is pretty nice this time of year .
Iran 's pretty good too .
" Officials at Amtrak did not give a comment on the phone , just the sound of dancing around their offices singing " We 're In The Money .
" The passenger who allegedly set off the firecracker has mounted a stern defense , showing his paycheck from the Department of Homeland Security 's Subdepartment of Job Preservation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> DOCTOROW, Schneier, Sunday — After the Detroit Christmas firecracker incident, the Transport Security Administration now requires all US airline passengers to be strapped into their seats naked with catheters fitted, for their comfort and convenience [newstechnica.com].
"It's the most efficient way to keep the country moving and let the TERRORISTS know they haven't won," said TSA head Gale Rossides.
"We're just trying to work out what to do when the TERRORISTS work out how to set off bombs by clenching their butt cheeks together.
"Passengers are advised not to bother with laptops ("You could explode the batteries with your urine!
"), iPods or the vile containers of sedition such as "books.
" "Carriage of any carryon item will result in lengthy security delays for the customer," said a TSA advisory, "but, in response to customer concerns, the TSA officer with the latex glove will give you a box of chocolates and promises to respect you in the morning, and will definitely call you later in the week.
Honestly."US tourism offices have finally given up and shut up shop.
"I hear Afghanistan is pretty nice this time of year.
Iran's pretty good too.
"Officials at Amtrak did not give a comment on the phone, just the sound of dancing around their offices singing "We're In The Money.
"The passenger who allegedly set off the firecracker has mounted a stern defense, showing his paycheck from the Department of Homeland Security's Subdepartment of Job Preservation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563324</id>
	<title>Re:They now need a "pee fee" - not what you think</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261931340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps you haven't noticed recent unemployment figures<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... there are a lot of people that will put up with an awful lot just to maintain employment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps you have n't noticed recent unemployment figures ... there are a lot of people that will put up with an awful lot just to maintain employment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps you haven't noticed recent unemployment figures ... there are a lot of people that will put up with an awful lot just to maintain employment.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561664</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563470</id>
	<title>In the name of fairness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261933200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suggest that because of security needs, all Americans arriving in to the EU are subjected to a digital rectal examination upon arrival. Sorry for the inconvenience, but it just has to be done!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suggest that because of security needs , all Americans arriving in to the EU are subjected to a digital rectal examination upon arrival .
Sorry for the inconvenience , but it just has to be done !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suggest that because of security needs, all Americans arriving in to the EU are subjected to a digital rectal examination upon arrival.
Sorry for the inconvenience, but it just has to be done!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30564376</id>
	<title>Why not strip 'em and handcuff 'em?</title>
	<author>crovira</author>
	<datestamp>1261941840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And dope all the passengers to the gills to boot.</p><p>That way they can all be stacked like cord-wood for maximum profitability and everybody can travel in maximum safety (for the sake of the airlines' insurance premiums.)</p><p>Sleep your way to Duluth or anywhere else for that matter.</p><p>That way the sheeple will be ready for Cryo-sleep out to the mines in the asteroid belts, (just like in "Blade Runner," [but without the money wasted on replicants.])</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And dope all the passengers to the gills to boot.That way they can all be stacked like cord-wood for maximum profitability and everybody can travel in maximum safety ( for the sake of the airlines ' insurance premiums .
) Sleep your way to Duluth or anywhere else for that matter.That way the sheeple will be ready for Cryo-sleep out to the mines in the asteroid belts , ( just like in " Blade Runner , " [ but without the money wasted on replicants .
] )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And dope all the passengers to the gills to boot.That way they can all be stacked like cord-wood for maximum profitability and everybody can travel in maximum safety (for the sake of the airlines' insurance premiums.
)Sleep your way to Duluth or anywhere else for that matter.That way the sheeple will be ready for Cryo-sleep out to the mines in the asteroid belts, (just like in "Blade Runner," [but without the money wasted on replicants.
])</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30580298</id>
	<title>Re:Typical cop response</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262082000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>You beat terrorists by raising a middle finger in their direction, mocking them mercilessly and accepting casualties once in a while. You kiss terrorist arse when you pull this kind of crap. What's next, handcuff passengers to their seats and have police strutting up and down the aisles during flights? Give me an effin' break!</i></p><p>Alternatively, keeping the muslims &amp; arabs off the planes would improve things...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You beat terrorists by raising a middle finger in their direction , mocking them mercilessly and accepting casualties once in a while .
You kiss terrorist arse when you pull this kind of crap .
What 's next , handcuff passengers to their seats and have police strutting up and down the aisles during flights ?
Give me an effin ' break ! Alternatively , keeping the muslims &amp; arabs off the planes would improve things.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You beat terrorists by raising a middle finger in their direction, mocking them mercilessly and accepting casualties once in a while.
You kiss terrorist arse when you pull this kind of crap.
What's next, handcuff passengers to their seats and have police strutting up and down the aisles during flights?
Give me an effin' break!Alternatively, keeping the muslims &amp; arabs off the planes would improve things...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561528</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30564318</id>
	<title>Re:Question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261941480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is not a problem as this is federal regulation. Airlines are safe because they are required to obey the government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not a problem as this is federal regulation .
Airlines are safe because they are required to obey the government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not a problem as this is federal regulation.
Airlines are safe because they are required to obey the government.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561590</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561664</id>
	<title>Re:They now need a "pee fee" - not what you think</title>
	<author>Jah-Wren Ryel</author>
	<datestamp>1261906020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I can understand where you're coming from but it's neither the fault of the flight attendants nor the cleaning crew that your country has such shitty regulations, but they're the only people who will suffer from your protest...</p></div><p>That's the "they are just doing their job" cop-out.  If they aren't happy with the consequences of working for an organization that denies people their basic human dignities, then they should be looking for a new job.  To give them a pass because they are just little people in the machinery of a big faceless organization is to give the big faceless organization a pass.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can understand where you 're coming from but it 's neither the fault of the flight attendants nor the cleaning crew that your country has such shitty regulations , but they 're the only people who will suffer from your protest...That 's the " they are just doing their job " cop-out .
If they are n't happy with the consequences of working for an organization that denies people their basic human dignities , then they should be looking for a new job .
To give them a pass because they are just little people in the machinery of a big faceless organization is to give the big faceless organization a pass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can understand where you're coming from but it's neither the fault of the flight attendants nor the cleaning crew that your country has such shitty regulations, but they're the only people who will suffer from your protest...That's the "they are just doing their job" cop-out.
If they aren't happy with the consequences of working for an organization that denies people their basic human dignities, then they should be looking for a new job.
To give them a pass because they are just little people in the machinery of a big faceless organization is to give the big faceless organization a pass.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561478</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561848</id>
	<title>The "Terrorists" win again...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261909020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>All a would-be "terrorist" have to do is go, "BOO", to get the US to spend billions of dollars to fight against the next "BOO". <p>

Go "BOO" enough times and the US will spend itself into financial ruin. Wait -- that's happening NOW!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All a would-be " terrorist " have to do is go , " BOO " , to get the US to spend billions of dollars to fight against the next " BOO " .
Go " BOO " enough times and the US will spend itself into financial ruin .
Wait -- that 's happening NOW !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All a would-be "terrorist" have to do is go, "BOO", to get the US to spend billions of dollars to fight against the next "BOO".
Go "BOO" enough times and the US will spend itself into financial ruin.
Wait -- that's happening NOW!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30573444</id>
	<title>Yesterday</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262026860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Flying yesterday on 2 short Continental flights the pillows and blankets had been removed. FAs said it was new policy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Flying yesterday on 2 short Continental flights the pillows and blankets had been removed .
FAs said it was new policy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Flying yesterday on 2 short Continental flights the pillows and blankets had been removed.
FAs said it was new policy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563434</id>
	<title>Hilariously sad</title>
	<author>naasking</author>
	<datestamp>1261932780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny and sad that these regulations meant to address the Christmas Day incident wouldn't have prevented it. He was seated, and didn't have anything in his lap. I think this goes to show you that they wanted to push these regulations through but didn't think they would be tolerated, so they were just waiting for an "incident" as an excuse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny and sad that these regulations meant to address the Christmas Day incident would n't have prevented it .
He was seated , and did n't have anything in his lap .
I think this goes to show you that they wanted to push these regulations through but did n't think they would be tolerated , so they were just waiting for an " incident " as an excuse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny and sad that these regulations meant to address the Christmas Day incident wouldn't have prevented it.
He was seated, and didn't have anything in his lap.
I think this goes to show you that they wanted to push these regulations through but didn't think they would be tolerated, so they were just waiting for an "incident" as an excuse.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562100</id>
	<title>Ladies and Gentlemen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261912260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ladies and Gentlemen, please remove all clothing and place in the bins supplied, once complete please use the face mask provided to protect your and other passengers privacy.  The filight attendants will be along shortly to escort you to your seat ast which time the nurse will administer the sedative.  Please be sure that all video will only be used for training puproses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ladies and Gentlemen , please remove all clothing and place in the bins supplied , once complete please use the face mask provided to protect your and other passengers privacy .
The filight attendants will be along shortly to escort you to your seat ast which time the nurse will administer the sedative .
Please be sure that all video will only be used for training puproses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ladies and Gentlemen, please remove all clothing and place in the bins supplied, once complete please use the face mask provided to protect your and other passengers privacy.
The filight attendants will be along shortly to escort you to your seat ast which time the nurse will administer the sedative.
Please be sure that all video will only be used for training puproses.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561688</id>
	<title>Shoe bomb vs. pants bomb</title>
	<author>TXISDude</author>
	<datestamp>1261906320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>First a shoe bomb makes me take off my shoes at the checkpoint.

If this is truly a pants bomb, then they have really won, for imagine us having to take off our pants before going through the metal detector.

Brilliant stategy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>First a shoe bomb makes me take off my shoes at the checkpoint .
If this is truly a pants bomb , then they have really won , for imagine us having to take off our pants before going through the metal detector .
Brilliant stategy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First a shoe bomb makes me take off my shoes at the checkpoint.
If this is truly a pants bomb, then they have really won, for imagine us having to take off our pants before going through the metal detector.
Brilliant stategy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562040</id>
	<title>Land of the free, home of the brave?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261911240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Time for the US to write a new anthem.
<br> <br>
Such a shame, I travel frequently to the US, know lots of Americans, all intelligent nice people. Yet the government forces them to live in fear, when in reality there is next to none. And the impositions forced on them, and anyone else in the world, simply do not work.
<br> <br>
What really gets my riled up, is to get on a plane to the US, I've got to go through TWO security check points, the regular one, and an extra one where 'they' (TSA) block off half the terminal and proceed to further slow and annoy (they do pat downs). And it doesn't work.  On my most recent trip, I unknowingly made it all the way into the US with a pocket knife in my carry on (I removed the regular one, I'd forgotten about the little one).
<br> <br>
Enjoy your eroded freedom, and illusion of safety Americans. Me, I enjoy coming home. Only have to worry about our government forcibly protecting us from boobies on the interwebs.
<br> <br>
The terrorists have won.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Time for the US to write a new anthem .
Such a shame , I travel frequently to the US , know lots of Americans , all intelligent nice people .
Yet the government forces them to live in fear , when in reality there is next to none .
And the impositions forced on them , and anyone else in the world , simply do not work .
What really gets my riled up , is to get on a plane to the US , I 've got to go through TWO security check points , the regular one , and an extra one where 'they ' ( TSA ) block off half the terminal and proceed to further slow and annoy ( they do pat downs ) .
And it does n't work .
On my most recent trip , I unknowingly made it all the way into the US with a pocket knife in my carry on ( I removed the regular one , I 'd forgotten about the little one ) .
Enjoy your eroded freedom , and illusion of safety Americans .
Me , I enjoy coming home .
Only have to worry about our government forcibly protecting us from boobies on the interwebs .
The terrorists have won .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Time for the US to write a new anthem.
Such a shame, I travel frequently to the US, know lots of Americans, all intelligent nice people.
Yet the government forces them to live in fear, when in reality there is next to none.
And the impositions forced on them, and anyone else in the world, simply do not work.
What really gets my riled up, is to get on a plane to the US, I've got to go through TWO security check points, the regular one, and an extra one where 'they' (TSA) block off half the terminal and proceed to further slow and annoy (they do pat downs).
And it doesn't work.
On my most recent trip, I unknowingly made it all the way into the US with a pocket knife in my carry on (I removed the regular one, I'd forgotten about the little one).
Enjoy your eroded freedom, and illusion of safety Americans.
Me, I enjoy coming home.
Only have to worry about our government forcibly protecting us from boobies on the interwebs.
The terrorists have won.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30565962</id>
	<title>Re:What this incident proved...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261911900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is why the TSA does all the security.  It pisses off the passengers enough that when a terrorist tries to bomb the plane everyone is so pissed off they will go beserk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why the TSA does all the security .
It pisses off the passengers enough that when a terrorist tries to bomb the plane everyone is so pissed off they will go beserk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why the TSA does all the security.
It pisses off the passengers enough that when a terrorist tries to bomb the plane everyone is so pissed off they will go beserk.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561462</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562138</id>
	<title>Re:What this incident proved...</title>
	<author>amRadioHed</author>
	<datestamp>1261912860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only reason why this guy and the shoe bomber were in a position to be detained by passengers is because they had already failed. When someone successfully sets of a bomb, no one has time to intervene.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only reason why this guy and the shoe bomber were in a position to be detained by passengers is because they had already failed .
When someone successfully sets of a bomb , no one has time to intervene .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only reason why this guy and the shoe bomber were in a position to be detained by passengers is because they had already failed.
When someone successfully sets of a bomb, no one has time to intervene.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561462</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561580</id>
	<title>Re:They now need a "pee fee" - not what you think</title>
	<author>Rick17JJ</author>
	<datestamp>1261905120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps they could allow people to pee into a special bag during the one hour when they must remain in their seats.  If they were to allow that, I hope the passengers sitting on each side, would not object.<br><br>Whenever I have the time, I now prefer driving instead of flying to a nearby state, as the simpler more relaxing option.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps they could allow people to pee into a special bag during the one hour when they must remain in their seats .
If they were to allow that , I hope the passengers sitting on each side , would not object.Whenever I have the time , I now prefer driving instead of flying to a nearby state , as the simpler more relaxing option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps they could allow people to pee into a special bag during the one hour when they must remain in their seats.
If they were to allow that, I hope the passengers sitting on each side, would not object.Whenever I have the time, I now prefer driving instead of flying to a nearby state, as the simpler more relaxing option.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561368</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30565010</id>
	<title>Re:Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261904880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>i've had flight attendants wake me up if i just as much as have headphones on my ears with the player off.</p></div><p>Yes, this is an annoyance I've had to deal with as well. The solution (workaround) is to unplug the headphones and have the connector clearly visible.</p><p>That way I get all the advantages of <a href="http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home\_en.nsf/root/private\_headphones\_classic-line\_cxseries-earphones-cx-500" title="sennheiser.com" rel="nofollow">noise-isolating in-ear headphones</a> [sennheiser.com] without the TSA Nazis interrupting what little sleep I can get during a business trip.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>i 've had flight attendants wake me up if i just as much as have headphones on my ears with the player off.Yes , this is an annoyance I 've had to deal with as well .
The solution ( workaround ) is to unplug the headphones and have the connector clearly visible.That way I get all the advantages of noise-isolating in-ear headphones [ sennheiser.com ] without the TSA Nazis interrupting what little sleep I can get during a business trip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i've had flight attendants wake me up if i just as much as have headphones on my ears with the player off.Yes, this is an annoyance I've had to deal with as well.
The solution (workaround) is to unplug the headphones and have the connector clearly visible.That way I get all the advantages of noise-isolating in-ear headphones [sennheiser.com] without the TSA Nazis interrupting what little sleep I can get during a business trip.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562352</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30564156</id>
	<title>Like that will help...</title>
	<author>knarf</author>
	<datestamp>1261939980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK, the next bomb will be in a piece of hand luggage, pushed snugly against the back of the overhead locker so it is as close to the hull as possible. The detonator is hooked up to a remote control doohickey fabricated out of one of those cheap remote control planes/cars/helicopters, built into a laptop or something similar. Or there is no remote control at all, the thing is rigged to explode at a certain time after pressing some button on the laptop.</p><p>No, this does not sound like it will have any effect. It will just inconvenience all those who have no plans whatsoever to blow up planes. It does resemble DRM a bit in the sense that the 'security' measures are at most a small hindrance to the bad guys while causing loads of discomfort and annoyance to the rest.</p><p>Maybe the air transport sector should take a look at how DRM fared in the audio sector?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , the next bomb will be in a piece of hand luggage , pushed snugly against the back of the overhead locker so it is as close to the hull as possible .
The detonator is hooked up to a remote control doohickey fabricated out of one of those cheap remote control planes/cars/helicopters , built into a laptop or something similar .
Or there is no remote control at all , the thing is rigged to explode at a certain time after pressing some button on the laptop.No , this does not sound like it will have any effect .
It will just inconvenience all those who have no plans whatsoever to blow up planes .
It does resemble DRM a bit in the sense that the 'security ' measures are at most a small hindrance to the bad guys while causing loads of discomfort and annoyance to the rest.Maybe the air transport sector should take a look at how DRM fared in the audio sector ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, the next bomb will be in a piece of hand luggage, pushed snugly against the back of the overhead locker so it is as close to the hull as possible.
The detonator is hooked up to a remote control doohickey fabricated out of one of those cheap remote control planes/cars/helicopters, built into a laptop or something similar.
Or there is no remote control at all, the thing is rigged to explode at a certain time after pressing some button on the laptop.No, this does not sound like it will have any effect.
It will just inconvenience all those who have no plans whatsoever to blow up planes.
It does resemble DRM a bit in the sense that the 'security' measures are at most a small hindrance to the bad guys while causing loads of discomfort and annoyance to the rest.Maybe the air transport sector should take a look at how DRM fared in the audio sector?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562544</id>
	<title>Future Policy recommendations for the TSA</title>
	<author>nibbles2004</author>
	<datestamp>1261920480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Future Ideas from the TSA which they should look into.
*All Passengers must be naked, harder to hide a bomb
*Passengers will be put into a medically induced coma for the duration of the flight
*Flights must be limited to 1 Passenger which are computer controlled, so if only the terrorist would die in such an event
*Upon taking a flight 1 of your loved ones, your parents, your wife, your kids are held in escrow by the government, if you don't blow up a plane on your trip you get them back, if not they spend the next 50 years in Gitmo.
* Minimum airline ticket costs 1 million dollars, super rich less likely to blow them selves up
* Only good looking people allowed to fly, most terrorists tend to be quite ugly to be honest, seems the only way they can get a girl is to blow themselves up</htmltext>
<tokenext>Future Ideas from the TSA which they should look into .
* All Passengers must be naked , harder to hide a bomb * Passengers will be put into a medically induced coma for the duration of the flight * Flights must be limited to 1 Passenger which are computer controlled , so if only the terrorist would die in such an event * Upon taking a flight 1 of your loved ones , your parents , your wife , your kids are held in escrow by the government , if you do n't blow up a plane on your trip you get them back , if not they spend the next 50 years in Gitmo .
* Minimum airline ticket costs 1 million dollars , super rich less likely to blow them selves up * Only good looking people allowed to fly , most terrorists tend to be quite ugly to be honest , seems the only way they can get a girl is to blow themselves up</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Future Ideas from the TSA which they should look into.
*All Passengers must be naked, harder to hide a bomb
*Passengers will be put into a medically induced coma for the duration of the flight
*Flights must be limited to 1 Passenger which are computer controlled, so if only the terrorist would die in such an event
*Upon taking a flight 1 of your loved ones, your parents, your wife, your kids are held in escrow by the government, if you don't blow up a plane on your trip you get them back, if not they spend the next 50 years in Gitmo.
* Minimum airline ticket costs 1 million dollars, super rich less likely to blow them selves up
* Only good looking people allowed to fly, most terrorists tend to be quite ugly to be honest, seems the only way they can get a girl is to blow themselves up</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30565780</id>
	<title>Re:Typical cop response</title>
	<author>Jeremy Lydell Haugen</author>
	<datestamp>1261910340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You aren't thinking far enough. The natural conclusion is that eventually airline passengers will be stripped naked, strapped to their seats, and sedated for the entire flight.

Enjoy you flight!</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are n't thinking far enough .
The natural conclusion is that eventually airline passengers will be stripped naked , strapped to their seats , and sedated for the entire flight .
Enjoy you flight !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You aren't thinking far enough.
The natural conclusion is that eventually airline passengers will be stripped naked, strapped to their seats, and sedated for the entire flight.
Enjoy you flight!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561528</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30565382</id>
	<title>Same here</title>
	<author>PCM2</author>
	<datestamp>1261907160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I flew from Phoenix to San Francisco this morning and I didn't notice anything either. Nobody made reference to the incident in question. Nobody asked us to do anything out of the ordinary. On the plane, passengers used the lavatory when they needed to. This seems like a non-story to me (except, perhaps, for Air Canada passengers).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I flew from Phoenix to San Francisco this morning and I did n't notice anything either .
Nobody made reference to the incident in question .
Nobody asked us to do anything out of the ordinary .
On the plane , passengers used the lavatory when they needed to .
This seems like a non-story to me ( except , perhaps , for Air Canada passengers ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I flew from Phoenix to San Francisco this morning and I didn't notice anything either.
Nobody made reference to the incident in question.
Nobody asked us to do anything out of the ordinary.
On the plane, passengers used the lavatory when they needed to.
This seems like a non-story to me (except, perhaps, for Air Canada passengers).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561780</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563698</id>
	<title>TFA Doesn't say anything about hands...</title>
	<author>EmagGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1261935600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's with the sensationalism, slashdot?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's with the sensationalism , slashdot ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's with the sensationalism, slashdot?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561442</id>
	<title>Re:Boy, flying just keeps getting better!</title>
	<author>digitalchinky</author>
	<datestamp>1261946880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, next step is to physically restrain and drug passengers as they take their seats - all in the interests of safety.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p><p>Fortunately the rest of the world, for the most part, doesn't have such draconian knee jerk reactions and policies as a result of a little fire in the cattle compartment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , next step is to physically restrain and drug passengers as they take their seats - all in the interests of safety .
: - ) Fortunately the rest of the world , for the most part , does n't have such draconian knee jerk reactions and policies as a result of a little fire in the cattle compartment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, next step is to physically restrain and drug passengers as they take their seats - all in the interests of safety.
:-)Fortunately the rest of the world, for the most part, doesn't have such draconian knee jerk reactions and policies as a result of a little fire in the cattle compartment.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561374</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30566956</id>
	<title>Re:Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1261920540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The TSA confiscated his Shift key!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The TSA confiscated his Shift key !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The TSA confiscated his Shift key!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562352</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561590</id>
	<title>Question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261905240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, during this time when you aren't allowed to get out of your seat, aren't allowed to use the bathroom (explicitly mentioned in an article I read):</p><p>What happens if you have to crap?  Like really have to?  I have a feeling if someone started yelling about how they were gonna shit their pants, a flight attendant would let them to the bathroom, although I think if you're at the point where passengers are having to yell about needing to take a crap (in front of dozens of passengers), you are opening yourself up to a lawsuit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , during this time when you are n't allowed to get out of your seat , are n't allowed to use the bathroom ( explicitly mentioned in an article I read ) : What happens if you have to crap ?
Like really have to ?
I have a feeling if someone started yelling about how they were gon na shit their pants , a flight attendant would let them to the bathroom , although I think if you 're at the point where passengers are having to yell about needing to take a crap ( in front of dozens of passengers ) , you are opening yourself up to a lawsuit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, during this time when you aren't allowed to get out of your seat, aren't allowed to use the bathroom (explicitly mentioned in an article I read):What happens if you have to crap?
Like really have to?
I have a feeling if someone started yelling about how they were gonna shit their pants, a flight attendant would let them to the bathroom, although I think if you're at the point where passengers are having to yell about needing to take a crap (in front of dozens of passengers), you are opening yourself up to a lawsuit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562912</id>
	<title>Re:As the parent of a 1 year old. I say good luck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261926480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Australia has its own problems on the "Batshit Laws" front, so let's not point fingers...</p><p>P.S. Citizen you aren't allowed onto this website! This is your only warning...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Australia has its own problems on the " Batshit Laws " front , so let 's not point fingers...P.S .
Citizen you are n't allowed onto this website !
This is your only warning.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Australia has its own problems on the "Batshit Laws" front, so let's not point fingers...P.S.
Citizen you aren't allowed onto this website!
This is your only warning...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561610</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30567724</id>
	<title>Idiots at the Gates</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261927680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>None of the measures nor the mindless beauracsy erected post Sept. 11 2001 is effective or benefitical to "security", be it traval or national.</p><p>The function of the Transportation Security Agency and its overseer the Department of Homeland Security is to provide people who would be otherwise unemployable, given their mental instabilities, and incompetencies, a job, thus helping to keep these otherwise loathsome characters from trolling the back neighborhoods of the U.S.A. looking for toodles to molest, or the elderly to rob, for instance.</p><p>This not withstanding, the first casulity, other than the happles Nigerian Twit, of what may become the "Christmas Day Terror Plot" will be our dearly beloved Janet Napolitano, Super Genius Brain of the Dept. of Homeland Security (one of the minions of mentally unstable incompetents lurking the halls of the Federal Government).</p><p>People who travel by air line carriers will not put up with the TSA Twits or the Twit 'n Chief Barak Obama much longer before outright rebellion occurs.</p><p>Angry and Pissed-Off mods are forming at the Gates to deal harshly with the Idots at the Gates.  The Idiots will not be forgiven.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>None of the measures nor the mindless beauracsy erected post Sept. 11 2001 is effective or benefitical to " security " , be it traval or national.The function of the Transportation Security Agency and its overseer the Department of Homeland Security is to provide people who would be otherwise unemployable , given their mental instabilities , and incompetencies , a job , thus helping to keep these otherwise loathsome characters from trolling the back neighborhoods of the U.S.A. looking for toodles to molest , or the elderly to rob , for instance.This not withstanding , the first casulity , other than the happles Nigerian Twit , of what may become the " Christmas Day Terror Plot " will be our dearly beloved Janet Napolitano , Super Genius Brain of the Dept .
of Homeland Security ( one of the minions of mentally unstable incompetents lurking the halls of the Federal Government ) .People who travel by air line carriers will not put up with the TSA Twits or the Twit 'n Chief Barak Obama much longer before outright rebellion occurs.Angry and Pissed-Off mods are forming at the Gates to deal harshly with the Idots at the Gates .
The Idiots will not be forgiven .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>None of the measures nor the mindless beauracsy erected post Sept. 11 2001 is effective or benefitical to "security", be it traval or national.The function of the Transportation Security Agency and its overseer the Department of Homeland Security is to provide people who would be otherwise unemployable, given their mental instabilities, and incompetencies, a job, thus helping to keep these otherwise loathsome characters from trolling the back neighborhoods of the U.S.A. looking for toodles to molest, or the elderly to rob, for instance.This not withstanding, the first casulity, other than the happles Nigerian Twit, of what may become the "Christmas Day Terror Plot" will be our dearly beloved Janet Napolitano, Super Genius Brain of the Dept.
of Homeland Security (one of the minions of mentally unstable incompetents lurking the halls of the Federal Government).People who travel by air line carriers will not put up with the TSA Twits or the Twit 'n Chief Barak Obama much longer before outright rebellion occurs.Angry and Pissed-Off mods are forming at the Gates to deal harshly with the Idots at the Gates.
The Idiots will not be forgiven.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561466</id>
	<title>Preception</title>
	<author>DesertBlade</author>
	<datestamp>1261947120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another example of how the government is keeping us safe. But they are not, this guy was on a watch list for two years and still got on a plane. The perception of safety is there yet really it has no real and only impacts everyones personal liberties.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another example of how the government is keeping us safe .
But they are not , this guy was on a watch list for two years and still got on a plane .
The perception of safety is there yet really it has no real and only impacts everyones personal liberties .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another example of how the government is keeping us safe.
But they are not, this guy was on a watch list for two years and still got on a plane.
The perception of safety is there yet really it has no real and only impacts everyones personal liberties.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30564438</id>
	<title>I worked for the TSA</title>
	<author>AnAdventurer</author>
	<datestamp>1261942680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Top to bottom the TSA is a bad joke involved in customer service, PR and propaganda work. I could only work with the screeners for so long until I could not take it anymore. I tested airport check points and while I cant say anything (signed a lot of documents saying I would not) about what I did, saw or learned, I can say is; you just DON'T want to know. Um, yea, Just hope all those devices do their job as most screeners are there because its a government job; it pays without (for the most part) the possibility of being fired. They begged me for weeks not to leave.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Top to bottom the TSA is a bad joke involved in customer service , PR and propaganda work .
I could only work with the screeners for so long until I could not take it anymore .
I tested airport check points and while I cant say anything ( signed a lot of documents saying I would not ) about what I did , saw or learned , I can say is ; you just DO N'T want to know .
Um , yea , Just hope all those devices do their job as most screeners are there because its a government job ; it pays without ( for the most part ) the possibility of being fired .
They begged me for weeks not to leave .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Top to bottom the TSA is a bad joke involved in customer service, PR and propaganda work.
I could only work with the screeners for so long until I could not take it anymore.
I tested airport check points and while I cant say anything (signed a lot of documents saying I would not) about what I did, saw or learned, I can say is; you just DON'T want to know.
Um, yea, Just hope all those devices do their job as most screeners are there because its a government job; it pays without (for the most part) the possibility of being fired.
They begged me for weeks not to leave.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30564390</id>
	<title>I have just one question:</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1261942080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who profits from this?</p><p>It&rsquo;s a bit hard. I guess getting used to such a t(h)reatment profits the control freaks who then use it for profit and power.<br>But other than that?</p><p>I mean it&rsquo;s clear that the only reason the TSA did ignore all usual precautions, did ignore that that guy was on that terror list already, and did not even listen to <em>his own father</em>, <em>calling in</em>, and warning them that this exact thing was going to happen, is that the TSA just was happy to get another justification for its existence and power lever.</p><p>I think the perceived cause/effect relationship is wrong here. In my opinion, the new rules are not because of that guy. No, that guy did what he did, because the TSA wanted to push trough new rules. He&rsquo;s just another random straw-man.</p><p>At least that&rsquo;s what comes out when you &ldquo;follow the profit&rdquo;, and assume that they are not totally retarded.</p><p>Why that assumption? Simple: If the TSA would be dumb, they would already be replaced by more intelligent criminals. In that &ldquo;business&rdquo; you don&rsquo;t survive long if you&rsquo;re dumb. So we really can&rsquo;t in any way assume that they are just being dumb. That&rsquo;s like a car salesman going &ldquo;Oh, sorry that I wrecked your car. I guess I must be a bad driver. Me dumb. Sorry.&rdquo;. Would you believe him? ^^ See...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who profits from this ? It    s a bit hard .
I guess getting used to such a t ( h ) reatment profits the control freaks who then use it for profit and power.But other than that ? I mean it    s clear that the only reason the TSA did ignore all usual precautions , did ignore that that guy was on that terror list already , and did not even listen to his own father , calling in , and warning them that this exact thing was going to happen , is that the TSA just was happy to get another justification for its existence and power lever.I think the perceived cause/effect relationship is wrong here .
In my opinion , the new rules are not because of that guy .
No , that guy did what he did , because the TSA wanted to push trough new rules .
He    s just another random straw-man.At least that    s what comes out when you    follow the profit    , and assume that they are not totally retarded.Why that assumption ?
Simple : If the TSA would be dumb , they would already be replaced by more intelligent criminals .
In that    business    you don    t survive long if you    re dumb .
So we really can    t in any way assume that they are just being dumb .
That    s like a car salesman going    Oh , sorry that I wrecked your car .
I guess I must be a bad driver .
Me dumb .
Sorry.    . Would you believe him ?
^ ^ See... : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who profits from this?It’s a bit hard.
I guess getting used to such a t(h)reatment profits the control freaks who then use it for profit and power.But other than that?I mean it’s clear that the only reason the TSA did ignore all usual precautions, did ignore that that guy was on that terror list already, and did not even listen to his own father, calling in, and warning them that this exact thing was going to happen, is that the TSA just was happy to get another justification for its existence and power lever.I think the perceived cause/effect relationship is wrong here.
In my opinion, the new rules are not because of that guy.
No, that guy did what he did, because the TSA wanted to push trough new rules.
He’s just another random straw-man.At least that’s what comes out when you “follow the profit”, and assume that they are not totally retarded.Why that assumption?
Simple: If the TSA would be dumb, they would already be replaced by more intelligent criminals.
In that “business” you don’t survive long if you’re dumb.
So we really can’t in any way assume that they are just being dumb.
That’s like a car salesman going “Oh, sorry that I wrecked your car.
I guess I must be a bad driver.
Me dumb.
Sorry.”. Would you believe him?
^^ See... :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563294</id>
	<title>Scared</title>
	<author>DeanFox</author>
	<datestamp>1261931040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><br>
All my posts to chill re the Christmas Firecracker incident had attached Ad Hominem attacks from small terrified men.  This isn't going away.  Statistics don't phase them.  Facts just get in the way.  They're terrified and nothing is going to help except the comfort of a huge Government blanket of "protection".
<br> <br>
Never mind it doesn't exist, is ineffectual and can't be done.  These people are not meant to live in a free society.  Don't want a free society and are winning because the government is all too pleased to accommodate them.  We, Liberals, Progressives, Libertarians {whatever} - all the flavors of people who cherish personal freedoms are screwed.  The government wants to listen to this minority of frightened people - and together they have already changed what the USA was all about.
<br> <br>
They aren't finished revoking our freedoms through the absence of common sense and have a long way to go.  Because what they're looking for doesn't exist and can't be achieved.  Already it's the State law in the majority that we must respond to "Papers Please" - as in my state Georgia failure to produce means jail.
<br> <br>
The terrorists won.  They already won a long time ago.  This "continued fight" isn't.  We're experiencing the clean-up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All my posts to chill re the Christmas Firecracker incident had attached Ad Hominem attacks from small terrified men .
This is n't going away .
Statistics do n't phase them .
Facts just get in the way .
They 're terrified and nothing is going to help except the comfort of a huge Government blanket of " protection " .
Never mind it does n't exist , is ineffectual and ca n't be done .
These people are not meant to live in a free society .
Do n't want a free society and are winning because the government is all too pleased to accommodate them .
We , Liberals , Progressives , Libertarians { whatever } - all the flavors of people who cherish personal freedoms are screwed .
The government wants to listen to this minority of frightened people - and together they have already changed what the USA was all about .
They are n't finished revoking our freedoms through the absence of common sense and have a long way to go .
Because what they 're looking for does n't exist and ca n't be achieved .
Already it 's the State law in the majority that we must respond to " Papers Please " - as in my state Georgia failure to produce means jail .
The terrorists won .
They already won a long time ago .
This " continued fight " is n't .
We 're experiencing the clean-up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
All my posts to chill re the Christmas Firecracker incident had attached Ad Hominem attacks from small terrified men.
This isn't going away.
Statistics don't phase them.
Facts just get in the way.
They're terrified and nothing is going to help except the comfort of a huge Government blanket of "protection".
Never mind it doesn't exist, is ineffectual and can't be done.
These people are not meant to live in a free society.
Don't want a free society and are winning because the government is all too pleased to accommodate them.
We, Liberals, Progressives, Libertarians {whatever} - all the flavors of people who cherish personal freedoms are screwed.
The government wants to listen to this minority of frightened people - and together they have already changed what the USA was all about.
They aren't finished revoking our freedoms through the absence of common sense and have a long way to go.
Because what they're looking for doesn't exist and can't be achieved.
Already it's the State law in the majority that we must respond to "Papers Please" - as in my state Georgia failure to produce means jail.
The terrorists won.
They already won a long time ago.
This "continued fight" isn't.
We're experiencing the clean-up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562314</id>
	<title>Having in mind of those TSA restrictions</title>
	<author>WetCat</author>
	<datestamp>1261916220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it possible to travel to USA from Europe by ship?  Is there any passenger lines? Or cargo ships which accepts passengers?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it possible to travel to USA from Europe by ship ?
Is there any passenger lines ?
Or cargo ships which accepts passengers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it possible to travel to USA from Europe by ship?
Is there any passenger lines?
Or cargo ships which accepts passengers?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563200</id>
	<title>Quit focusing on the symptoms</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261930140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about dealing with the root cause instead of focusing on the symptoms.  The "hour" rule is absurd. What the TSA's really telling us is that they are incapable of keeping bombs off planes in the first place. Also, if you have to remain seated during the last hour of flight, their pre-board pat-downs and bag inspections are ineffective to begin with. Idiocy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about dealing with the root cause instead of focusing on the symptoms .
The " hour " rule is absurd .
What the TSA 's really telling us is that they are incapable of keeping bombs off planes in the first place .
Also , if you have to remain seated during the last hour of flight , their pre-board pat-downs and bag inspections are ineffective to begin with .
Idiocy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about dealing with the root cause instead of focusing on the symptoms.
The "hour" rule is absurd.
What the TSA's really telling us is that they are incapable of keeping bombs off planes in the first place.
Also, if you have to remain seated during the last hour of flight, their pre-board pat-downs and bag inspections are ineffective to begin with.
Idiocy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30564490</id>
	<title>Re:Congrats TSA/Al Queda</title>
	<author>straponego</author>
	<datestamp>1261943100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The bathroom stuff isn't what annoys me personally, though I don't look forward to being near somebody who does have a problem with it.  If I can't read or work for the last hour of the flight, that time is wasted.  That's how the security stuff adds to it.  And eventually somebody is going to point out to the TSA that a bomb could be set off earlier than the last hour...<br><br>I've missed a flight at LAX (had to wait 6 hours for the next open seat) because I was only in line four hours in advance.  The line was two turns deep *outside* and the airline had about three of the eight positions staffed-- but I guess Thanksgiving came as a surprise that year.  I've spent three hours in line LAX on a non-holiday as well.<br><br>At DIA one time the security line wrapped entirely around the airport, twice at first, then three times.  Not in a spiral, though... eventually the TSA pigs laughed and said "Hurrr hurr... the lines are circles again.  We keep doing that."<br><br>I've spent 2-3 hours in security lines several times.  So when they say they're going to make you go through security twice, which several stories yesterday did, I don't believe this will take zero minutes.<br><br>So no, I don't have that much invested in that particular vacation.  I hate crowds, loud people, rude people, and stupidity; so even under the best circumstances I'm not going to enjoy flying.  This simply pushes it over the edge.  I can take the time off another time; I can drive somewhere and have at least as much fun.  I can stay home and be happier.  I don't expect I'm the only one who will cross a similar decision-making threshold as a result of these new-- and completely useless-- security restrictions.<br><br>Tell me, why is it that a book or an iPod is harmless, until it touches a lap, at which point it is a bomb?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The bathroom stuff is n't what annoys me personally , though I do n't look forward to being near somebody who does have a problem with it .
If I ca n't read or work for the last hour of the flight , that time is wasted .
That 's how the security stuff adds to it .
And eventually somebody is going to point out to the TSA that a bomb could be set off earlier than the last hour...I 've missed a flight at LAX ( had to wait 6 hours for the next open seat ) because I was only in line four hours in advance .
The line was two turns deep * outside * and the airline had about three of the eight positions staffed-- but I guess Thanksgiving came as a surprise that year .
I 've spent three hours in line LAX on a non-holiday as well.At DIA one time the security line wrapped entirely around the airport , twice at first , then three times .
Not in a spiral , though... eventually the TSA pigs laughed and said " Hurrr hurr... the lines are circles again .
We keep doing that .
" I 've spent 2-3 hours in security lines several times .
So when they say they 're going to make you go through security twice , which several stories yesterday did , I do n't believe this will take zero minutes.So no , I do n't have that much invested in that particular vacation .
I hate crowds , loud people , rude people , and stupidity ; so even under the best circumstances I 'm not going to enjoy flying .
This simply pushes it over the edge .
I can take the time off another time ; I can drive somewhere and have at least as much fun .
I can stay home and be happier .
I do n't expect I 'm the only one who will cross a similar decision-making threshold as a result of these new-- and completely useless-- security restrictions.Tell me , why is it that a book or an iPod is harmless , until it touches a lap , at which point it is a bomb ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The bathroom stuff isn't what annoys me personally, though I don't look forward to being near somebody who does have a problem with it.
If I can't read or work for the last hour of the flight, that time is wasted.
That's how the security stuff adds to it.
And eventually somebody is going to point out to the TSA that a bomb could be set off earlier than the last hour...I've missed a flight at LAX (had to wait 6 hours for the next open seat) because I was only in line four hours in advance.
The line was two turns deep *outside* and the airline had about three of the eight positions staffed-- but I guess Thanksgiving came as a surprise that year.
I've spent three hours in line LAX on a non-holiday as well.At DIA one time the security line wrapped entirely around the airport, twice at first, then three times.
Not in a spiral, though... eventually the TSA pigs laughed and said "Hurrr hurr... the lines are circles again.
We keep doing that.
"I've spent 2-3 hours in security lines several times.
So when they say they're going to make you go through security twice, which several stories yesterday did, I don't believe this will take zero minutes.So no, I don't have that much invested in that particular vacation.
I hate crowds, loud people, rude people, and stupidity; so even under the best circumstances I'm not going to enjoy flying.
This simply pushes it over the edge.
I can take the time off another time; I can drive somewhere and have at least as much fun.
I can stay home and be happier.
I don't expect I'm the only one who will cross a similar decision-making threshold as a result of these new-- and completely useless-- security restrictions.Tell me, why is it that a book or an iPod is harmless, until it touches a lap, at which point it is a bomb?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561810</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563032</id>
	<title>Deep Vein Thrombosis</title>
	<author>BlueParrot</author>
	<datestamp>1261928040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It has been well documented that patients at risk for blood-clots or with other cardiovascular diseases are at increased risk during airline flights because you're forced to sit still for extended periods of time. Consequentially patients are often advised to get up and move about every now and then during long flights.</p><p>Consequentially these new security guidelines may well cause a number of strokes and heart attacks. If it is implemented on all American airlines then I imagine it would not take long until the number of causalities from this retarded security policy greatly exceed the number of people who would be killed by terrorists if common sense had been allowed to prevail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It has been well documented that patients at risk for blood-clots or with other cardiovascular diseases are at increased risk during airline flights because you 're forced to sit still for extended periods of time .
Consequentially patients are often advised to get up and move about every now and then during long flights.Consequentially these new security guidelines may well cause a number of strokes and heart attacks .
If it is implemented on all American airlines then I imagine it would not take long until the number of causalities from this retarded security policy greatly exceed the number of people who would be killed by terrorists if common sense had been allowed to prevail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has been well documented that patients at risk for blood-clots or with other cardiovascular diseases are at increased risk during airline flights because you're forced to sit still for extended periods of time.
Consequentially patients are often advised to get up and move about every now and then during long flights.Consequentially these new security guidelines may well cause a number of strokes and heart attacks.
If it is implemented on all American airlines then I imagine it would not take long until the number of causalities from this retarded security policy greatly exceed the number of people who would be killed by terrorists if common sense had been allowed to prevail.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562750</id>
	<title>No change in the prohibited items list?</title>
	<author>Lakitu</author>
	<datestamp>1261924500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think they might want to add semtex to the prohibited items list.  That would be a good idea!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think they might want to add semtex to the prohibited items list .
That would be a good idea !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think they might want to add semtex to the prohibited items list.
That would be a good idea!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561770</id>
	<title>Re:Just take a train.</title>
	<author>Dr. Zim</author>
	<datestamp>1261907580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't live in the US, do you. Take a look at the Amtrak time tables and fares... it's not a viable option for anyone that has to travel for a living. Trips that are 500 miles and a few hours by plane stretch in to several day 1500 mile odysseys costing 5x the fare of a plane. Then what about the times when the city you need to be in is 200 miles from a rail stop? It's nice to have good commuter rail in the north east and I use it when in the area, but rail is teh fail for business travel in America.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't live in the US , do you .
Take a look at the Amtrak time tables and fares... it 's not a viable option for anyone that has to travel for a living .
Trips that are 500 miles and a few hours by plane stretch in to several day 1500 mile odysseys costing 5x the fare of a plane .
Then what about the times when the city you need to be in is 200 miles from a rail stop ?
It 's nice to have good commuter rail in the north east and I use it when in the area , but rail is teh fail for business travel in America .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't live in the US, do you.
Take a look at the Amtrak time tables and fares... it's not a viable option for anyone that has to travel for a living.
Trips that are 500 miles and a few hours by plane stretch in to several day 1500 mile odysseys costing 5x the fare of a plane.
Then what about the times when the city you need to be in is 200 miles from a rail stop?
It's nice to have good commuter rail in the north east and I use it when in the area, but rail is teh fail for business travel in America.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561532</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562626</id>
	<title>Better proposal for safer flying ...</title>
	<author>Lazy Jones</author>
	<datestamp>1261922400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... GTFO of Afghanistan and Iraq, apologize to muslims for the witch hunt and perhaps fewer of those misguided few youngsters will get funny ideas about blowing up civilians (if you believe the official accounts anyway). It's not that hard to accomplish, except for the arms industry...</htmltext>
<tokenext>... GTFO of Afghanistan and Iraq , apologize to muslims for the witch hunt and perhaps fewer of those misguided few youngsters will get funny ideas about blowing up civilians ( if you believe the official accounts anyway ) .
It 's not that hard to accomplish , except for the arms industry.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... GTFO of Afghanistan and Iraq, apologize to muslims for the witch hunt and perhaps fewer of those misguided few youngsters will get funny ideas about blowing up civilians (if you believe the official accounts anyway).
It's not that hard to accomplish, except for the arms industry...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562592</id>
	<title>Re:ok, @#$\% this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261921680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not a firecracker; it was a legitimate explosive according to the FBI.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not a firecracker ; it was a legitimate explosive according to the FBI .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not a firecracker; it was a legitimate explosive according to the FBI.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562032</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30562424</id>
	<title>Re:This is kind of rediculous</title>
	<author>init100</author>
	<datestamp>1261918440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What does it matter whether or not it is the last hour...can't the terrorist just set off a bomb...I dunno before the last hour.</p></div><p>The TSA must have forgotten e.g. the Lockerbie bombing.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What does it matter whether or not it is the last hour...ca n't the terrorist just set off a bomb...I dunno before the last hour.The TSA must have forgotten e.g .
the Lockerbie bombing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does it matter whether or not it is the last hour...can't the terrorist just set off a bomb...I dunno before the last hour.The TSA must have forgotten e.g.
the Lockerbie bombing.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30561488</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_0635254.30563656</id>
	<title>Fly Nude</title>
	<author>Gim Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1261935120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>TSA is missing the obvious solution.  Make everyone fly in the nude with no carry on baggage.  This was even talked about back in the 1970's when airplanes were just being detoured to Cuba.  This new requirement is not only useless it is inane.

Any chance we could organize a nation wide don't fly this week protest of TSA?  Let all the flights go empty for a week, and maybe we could force some sense into TSA and Fatherland -- excuse me -- Homeland Security too!</htmltext>
<tokenext>TSA is missing the obvious solution .
Make everyone fly in the nude with no carry on baggage .
This was even talked about back in the 1970 's when airplanes were just being detoured to Cuba .
This new requirement is not only useless it is inane .
Any chance we could organize a nation wide do n't fly this week protest of TSA ?
Let all the flights go empty for a week , and maybe we could force some sense into TSA and Fatherland -- excuse me -- Homeland Security too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TSA is missing the obvious solution.
Make everyone fly in the nude with no carry on baggage.
This was even talked about back in the 1970's when airplanes were just being detoured to Cuba.
This new requirement is not only useless it is inane.
Any chance we could organize a nation wide don't fly this week protest of TSA?
Let all the flights go empty for a week, and maybe we could force some sense into TSA and Fatherland -- excuse me -- Homeland Security too!</sentencetext>
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