<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_25_0317254</id>
	<title>Texas County Will Use Twitter To Publish Drunk Drivers' Names</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1261728420000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>alphadogg contributes this snippet from Network World: <i>"If you get busted for drunk driving in Montgomery County, Texas, this holiday season, your neighbors may hear about it on Twitter. That's because the local district attorney's office has <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/122409-texas-county-to-name-drunk.html">decided to publish the names of those charged with driving while intoxicated</a> between Christmas and New Year's Eve. County Vehicular Crimes Prosecutor Warren Diepraam came up with the idea as a way of discouraging residents from getting behind the wheel while drunk. 'It's not a magic bullet that's going to end DWIs, but it's something to make people think twice before they get behind the wheel of a car and drive while they're intoxicated,' he said."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>alphadogg contributes this snippet from Network World : " If you get busted for drunk driving in Montgomery County , Texas , this holiday season , your neighbors may hear about it on Twitter .
That 's because the local district attorney 's office has decided to publish the names of those charged with driving while intoxicated between Christmas and New Year 's Eve .
County Vehicular Crimes Prosecutor Warren Diepraam came up with the idea as a way of discouraging residents from getting behind the wheel while drunk .
'It 's not a magic bullet that 's going to end DWIs , but it 's something to make people think twice before they get behind the wheel of a car and drive while they 're intoxicated, ' he said .
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<sentencetext>alphadogg contributes this snippet from Network World: "If you get busted for drunk driving in Montgomery County, Texas, this holiday season, your neighbors may hear about it on Twitter.
That's because the local district attorney's office has decided to publish the names of those charged with driving while intoxicated between Christmas and New Year's Eve.
County Vehicular Crimes Prosecutor Warren Diepraam came up with the idea as a way of discouraging residents from getting behind the wheel while drunk.
'It's not a magic bullet that's going to end DWIs, but it's something to make people think twice before they get behind the wheel of a car and drive while they're intoxicated,' he said.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550000</id>
	<title>Re:What? No Due Process?</title>
	<author>Chief Camel Breeder</author>
	<datestamp>1261737000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>TFA says that the county also tweets names of people charged with "soliciting a prostitute" (whatever that means exactly in Texan law). That sounds like a whole new blackmail industry hatching. At least with DUI you can objectively prove innocence.</htmltext>
<tokenext>TFA says that the county also tweets names of people charged with " soliciting a prostitute " ( whatever that means exactly in Texan law ) .
That sounds like a whole new blackmail industry hatching .
At least with DUI you can objectively prove innocence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TFA says that the county also tweets names of people charged with "soliciting a prostitute" (whatever that means exactly in Texan law).
That sounds like a whole new blackmail industry hatching.
At least with DUI you can objectively prove innocence.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30562224</id>
	<title>Re:Doubtful</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261914540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Not that it's a bad idea, but it's ineffective.</p></div><p>Oh, but <b>it is a phenomenally bad idea</b>, <i>in addition to</i> being astoundingly ineffective.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not that it 's a bad idea , but it 's ineffective.Oh , but it is a phenomenally bad idea , in addition to being astoundingly ineffective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not that it's a bad idea, but it's ineffective.Oh, but it is a phenomenally bad idea, in addition to being astoundingly ineffective.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550372</id>
	<title>Bad state of Mind ...</title>
	<author>DrYak</author>
	<datestamp>1261746480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>when in fact most people who get DUIs are just ordinary joes who made a bad decision while not in the best state of mind</p></div><p>And given the fact that this "<i>Not in the best state of mind</i>" is so drunk that they don't care risking their own life or passengers' or other drivers' or pedestrians' (although last is more valid here in Europe than in Texas County), I highly doubt they will ever consider something about some message being posted on some social website.</p><p>Usually life/death consideration is higher rated than other stuff, so if they're too drunk to try avoid getting themselves killed in a road accident, I doubt that Twitter will ever "<i>make people think twice before they get behind the wheel of a car and drive while they're intoxicated</i>".</p><p>This whole story fails on its primary purpose, and will probably cause a lot of complication due to wannabe-vigilantes interpreting wrongly the names they see on Twitter.</p><p>In short : Bad idea.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>when in fact most people who get DUIs are just ordinary joes who made a bad decision while not in the best state of mindAnd given the fact that this " Not in the best state of mind " is so drunk that they do n't care risking their own life or passengers ' or other drivers ' or pedestrians ' ( although last is more valid here in Europe than in Texas County ) , I highly doubt they will ever consider something about some message being posted on some social website.Usually life/death consideration is higher rated than other stuff , so if they 're too drunk to try avoid getting themselves killed in a road accident , I doubt that Twitter will ever " make people think twice before they get behind the wheel of a car and drive while they 're intoxicated " .This whole story fails on its primary purpose , and will probably cause a lot of complication due to wannabe-vigilantes interpreting wrongly the names they see on Twitter.In short : Bad idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>when in fact most people who get DUIs are just ordinary joes who made a bad decision while not in the best state of mindAnd given the fact that this "Not in the best state of mind" is so drunk that they don't care risking their own life or passengers' or other drivers' or pedestrians' (although last is more valid here in Europe than in Texas County), I highly doubt they will ever consider something about some message being posted on some social website.Usually life/death consideration is higher rated than other stuff, so if they're too drunk to try avoid getting themselves killed in a road accident, I doubt that Twitter will ever "make people think twice before they get behind the wheel of a car and drive while they're intoxicated".This whole story fails on its primary purpose, and will probably cause a lot of complication due to wannabe-vigilantes interpreting wrongly the names they see on Twitter.In short : Bad idea.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550104</id>
	<title>Re:What? No Due Process?</title>
	<author>pinkocommie</author>
	<datestamp>1261740180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nobody is trivializing it - Innocent until proven guilty? If they're actually guilty then you can argue over the merits of this - otherwise it's plain <b>wrong</b>.<br>
Personal anecdote: A friend of mine that was pulled over, passed all the roadside sobriety tests, passed the field breathalyzer and was arrested anyways, he then passed the test at the detention center which resulted in them calling immigration on him (I'd presume because he looked middle eastern<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)).
<br> <br>FWIW He was not on a visa and the judge threw out the case and had his record expunged.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nobody is trivializing it - Innocent until proven guilty ?
If they 're actually guilty then you can argue over the merits of this - otherwise it 's plain wrong .
Personal anecdote : A friend of mine that was pulled over , passed all the roadside sobriety tests , passed the field breathalyzer and was arrested anyways , he then passed the test at the detention center which resulted in them calling immigration on him ( I 'd presume because he looked middle eastern : ) ) .
FWIW He was not on a visa and the judge threw out the case and had his record expunged .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nobody is trivializing it - Innocent until proven guilty?
If they're actually guilty then you can argue over the merits of this - otherwise it's plain wrong.
Personal anecdote: A friend of mine that was pulled over, passed all the roadside sobriety tests, passed the field breathalyzer and was arrested anyways, he then passed the test at the detention center which resulted in them calling immigration on him (I'd presume because he looked middle eastern :)).
FWIW He was not on a visa and the judge threw out the case and had his record expunged.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551376</id>
	<title>Re:What? No Due Process?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261763220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> a prelude to a morality police state.</p></div><p>Apparently you're unfamiliar with the current state of the US in general, and Texas in particular - we've got that already.</p><p>Although I'm shocked to see a Texas county posting the names of *drunk* drivers - wouldn't it just be shorter to post the names of the *sober* drivers? They could put it online next to the "people who aren't fucking farm animals" list...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>a prelude to a morality police state.Apparently you 're unfamiliar with the current state of the US in general , and Texas in particular - we 've got that already.Although I 'm shocked to see a Texas county posting the names of * drunk * drivers - would n't it just be shorter to post the names of the * sober * drivers ?
They could put it online next to the " people who are n't fucking farm animals " list.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> a prelude to a morality police state.Apparently you're unfamiliar with the current state of the US in general, and Texas in particular - we've got that already.Although I'm shocked to see a Texas county posting the names of *drunk* drivers - wouldn't it just be shorter to post the names of the *sober* drivers?
They could put it online next to the "people who aren't fucking farm animals" list...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30553936</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>Dan541</author>
	<datestamp>1261757760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People know not to trust what they read online.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People know not to trust what they read online .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People know not to trust what they read online.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550276</id>
	<title>Re:What? No Due Process?</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1261744380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm not trying to excuse drunk drivers, but for some reason, its seen as ok to make those charged or convicted of DUIs out to be the scum of the earth, wantonly careening down the roadways, seeking out innocents to mow down, when in fact most people who get DUIs are just ordinary joes who made a bad decision while not in the best state of mind.</p></div><p>There is, in fact, no difference. The only people who will be <em>unfairly</em> harmed by anything like this are people who aren't DUI at all. There are people arrested falsely for DUI <em>every day</em>, <strong>that</strong> is the reason nothing like this should be permitted. It promotes a presumption of guilt and thus should be held to be unconstitutional.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not trying to excuse drunk drivers , but for some reason , its seen as ok to make those charged or convicted of DUIs out to be the scum of the earth , wantonly careening down the roadways , seeking out innocents to mow down , when in fact most people who get DUIs are just ordinary joes who made a bad decision while not in the best state of mind.There is , in fact , no difference .
The only people who will be unfairly harmed by anything like this are people who are n't DUI at all .
There are people arrested falsely for DUI every day , that is the reason nothing like this should be permitted .
It promotes a presumption of guilt and thus should be held to be unconstitutional .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not trying to excuse drunk drivers, but for some reason, its seen as ok to make those charged or convicted of DUIs out to be the scum of the earth, wantonly careening down the roadways, seeking out innocents to mow down, when in fact most people who get DUIs are just ordinary joes who made a bad decision while not in the best state of mind.There is, in fact, no difference.
The only people who will be unfairly harmed by anything like this are people who aren't DUI at all.
There are people arrested falsely for DUI every day, that is the reason nothing like this should be permitted.
It promotes a presumption of guilt and thus should be held to be unconstitutional.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30552218</id>
	<title>Re:How to avoid this</title>
	<author>aztektum</author>
	<datestamp>1261773660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or an arbitrary symbol for which there is no Unicode equivalent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or an arbitrary symbol for which there is no Unicode equivalent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or an arbitrary symbol for which there is no Unicode equivalent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30553976</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>AG the other</author>
	<datestamp>1261758780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well Montgomery Co. TX only has 429,953 as of 2009 according to the US census.  So no Six million there.  Texas is an at will employment state so that could be a problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well Montgomery Co. TX only has 429,953 as of 2009 according to the US census .
So no Six million there .
Texas is an at will employment state so that could be a problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well Montgomery Co. TX only has 429,953 as of 2009 according to the US census.
So no Six million there.
Texas is an at will employment state so that could be a problem.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549998</id>
	<title>Re:What? No Due Process?</title>
	<author>TapeCutter</author>
	<datestamp>1261736880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Innocent until proven guilty" goes all the way back to the dark ages when it replaced trial by fire in England. This system is a modern day trail by fire and would offically put Texas back to the dark ages when it comes to the rights of the accused.
<br> <br>
However I think shaming is a reasonable but insufficient punishment for those convicted, and it is definitely an effective deterent for others. A consistent campagin by the state of Victoria, (Australia) to make drink driving socially unacceptable has dramatically cut the road toll over the past 30yrs. DUI is no longer seen as a "bad decison" as it was when I learnt to drive in the 70's, it's seen as a selfish and reckless act that is worthy of jail time.
<br> <br>
There's are few Aussie's alive who have never seen the award winning <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfhR5w5uYWs" title="youtube.com">bloddy idiot</a> [youtube.com] ads. These ads combined with "booze buses" were so effective that in the first few years of the campaing the TAC saved several billion in injury payouts. Yeah I know, it's "social engineering", but it's the good kind that fills young heads with images of reality. Of course Aussies being what they are the slogan quickly became; "If you dink and drive you're a bloody idiot, if you make it home you're a bloody ledgend".</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Innocent until proven guilty " goes all the way back to the dark ages when it replaced trial by fire in England .
This system is a modern day trail by fire and would offically put Texas back to the dark ages when it comes to the rights of the accused .
However I think shaming is a reasonable but insufficient punishment for those convicted , and it is definitely an effective deterent for others .
A consistent campagin by the state of Victoria , ( Australia ) to make drink driving socially unacceptable has dramatically cut the road toll over the past 30yrs .
DUI is no longer seen as a " bad decison " as it was when I learnt to drive in the 70 's , it 's seen as a selfish and reckless act that is worthy of jail time .
There 's are few Aussie 's alive who have never seen the award winning bloddy idiot [ youtube.com ] ads .
These ads combined with " booze buses " were so effective that in the first few years of the campaing the TAC saved several billion in injury payouts .
Yeah I know , it 's " social engineering " , but it 's the good kind that fills young heads with images of reality .
Of course Aussies being what they are the slogan quickly became ; " If you dink and drive you 're a bloody idiot , if you make it home you 're a bloody ledgend " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Innocent until proven guilty" goes all the way back to the dark ages when it replaced trial by fire in England.
This system is a modern day trail by fire and would offically put Texas back to the dark ages when it comes to the rights of the accused.
However I think shaming is a reasonable but insufficient punishment for those convicted, and it is definitely an effective deterent for others.
A consistent campagin by the state of Victoria, (Australia) to make drink driving socially unacceptable has dramatically cut the road toll over the past 30yrs.
DUI is no longer seen as a "bad decison" as it was when I learnt to drive in the 70's, it's seen as a selfish and reckless act that is worthy of jail time.
There's are few Aussie's alive who have never seen the award winning bloddy idiot [youtube.com] ads.
These ads combined with "booze buses" were so effective that in the first few years of the campaing the TAC saved several billion in injury payouts.
Yeah I know, it's "social engineering", but it's the good kind that fills young heads with images of reality.
Of course Aussies being what they are the slogan quickly became; "If you dink and drive you're a bloody idiot, if you make it home you're a bloody ledgend".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551332</id>
	<title>no, it shows you're drunk</title>
	<author>SuperBanana</author>
	<datestamp>1261762860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Buying Chocolate when you wanted Strawberry is a bad decision. Getting behind the wheel while drunk shows a fundamental contempt for human life.</i>

</p><p>Yeah, because drunk people have coherent thought processes, good morals, logic, and sound judgment.

</p><p>I never understood <b>(from a technical legal perspective, relax Mr. Moderators)</b> how people could be held responsible for their actions while sufficiently inebriated.  They're basically temporarily insane/mentally retarded.  They can only really be held for allowing themselves to get drunk, something that's completely legal most places.

</p><p>Live anywhere near a college or a popular bar, and you'll wish for the days of prohibition.  I'm not aware of any society that has demonstrated an ability to handle alcohol responsibly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Buying Chocolate when you wanted Strawberry is a bad decision .
Getting behind the wheel while drunk shows a fundamental contempt for human life .
Yeah , because drunk people have coherent thought processes , good morals , logic , and sound judgment .
I never understood ( from a technical legal perspective , relax Mr. Moderators ) how people could be held responsible for their actions while sufficiently inebriated .
They 're basically temporarily insane/mentally retarded .
They can only really be held for allowing themselves to get drunk , something that 's completely legal most places .
Live anywhere near a college or a popular bar , and you 'll wish for the days of prohibition .
I 'm not aware of any society that has demonstrated an ability to handle alcohol responsibly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Buying Chocolate when you wanted Strawberry is a bad decision.
Getting behind the wheel while drunk shows a fundamental contempt for human life.
Yeah, because drunk people have coherent thought processes, good morals, logic, and sound judgment.
I never understood (from a technical legal perspective, relax Mr. Moderators) how people could be held responsible for their actions while sufficiently inebriated.
They're basically temporarily insane/mentally retarded.
They can only really be held for allowing themselves to get drunk, something that's completely legal most places.
Live anywhere near a college or a popular bar, and you'll wish for the days of prohibition.
I'm not aware of any society that has demonstrated an ability to handle alcohol responsibly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550928</id>
	<title>Contempt for human life?</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1261757280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Getting behind the wheel while drunk shows a fundamental contempt for human life.</p></div><p>Now, I don't drive, so take what I say with the amount of salt you deem necessary.  I do get on my bicycle after partying, though.</p><p>When I'm drunk, I'm not particularly thinking that my actions may kill someone.  I also don't think I've ever harmed anyone (including myself) in traffic, and in all the dangerous situations I've been in, I think I acted prudently before ending up in that situation (I'm not saying "it's their fault!"---sometimes bad things just happen even though everybody is acting responsibly).</p><p>Now, suppose you drive, and your traffic danger history sounds similar to mine.  Are you really going to entertain the likelihood of you harming or killing people?</p><p>If the though "I might harm someone" never enters your mind, are you <em>really</em> showing a contempt for human life?</p><p>It's a different thing to think "I might harm someone" and then not follow through on that thought (the next thought might be "how likely is that?"; not asking that question, or ignoring that answer, that might be contempt).</p></div>
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<tokenext>Getting behind the wheel while drunk shows a fundamental contempt for human life.Now , I do n't drive , so take what I say with the amount of salt you deem necessary .
I do get on my bicycle after partying , though.When I 'm drunk , I 'm not particularly thinking that my actions may kill someone .
I also do n't think I 've ever harmed anyone ( including myself ) in traffic , and in all the dangerous situations I 've been in , I think I acted prudently before ending up in that situation ( I 'm not saying " it 's their fault !
" ---sometimes bad things just happen even though everybody is acting responsibly ) .Now , suppose you drive , and your traffic danger history sounds similar to mine .
Are you really going to entertain the likelihood of you harming or killing people ? If the though " I might harm someone " never enters your mind , are you really showing a contempt for human life ? It 's a different thing to think " I might harm someone " and then not follow through on that thought ( the next thought might be " how likely is that ?
" ; not asking that question , or ignoring that answer , that might be contempt ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Getting behind the wheel while drunk shows a fundamental contempt for human life.Now, I don't drive, so take what I say with the amount of salt you deem necessary.
I do get on my bicycle after partying, though.When I'm drunk, I'm not particularly thinking that my actions may kill someone.
I also don't think I've ever harmed anyone (including myself) in traffic, and in all the dangerous situations I've been in, I think I acted prudently before ending up in that situation (I'm not saying "it's their fault!
"---sometimes bad things just happen even though everybody is acting responsibly).Now, suppose you drive, and your traffic danger history sounds similar to mine.
Are you really going to entertain the likelihood of you harming or killing people?If the though "I might harm someone" never enters your mind, are you really showing a contempt for human life?It's a different thing to think "I might harm someone" and then not follow through on that thought (the next thought might be "how likely is that?
"; not asking that question, or ignoring that answer, that might be contempt).
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30552744</id>
	<title>Re:"charged with"?</title>
	<author>SLi</author>
	<datestamp>1261737300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is one of the (admittedly very few) aspects where your constitution is a lot worse than the state of affairs we have in most of Europe. It doesn't have any privacy protection built in, since that was not a problem in the late 1700s, and freedom of speech is built in, so it always trumps any privacy concerns as long as the speech is truthful.</p><p>Fanatics who worship the founding fathers religiously of course claim this is as it should be (and the constitution is just perfect, wahwah...), but seriously, I see perp walks as an even worse offense of the very same kind. I do believe most Europeans do have a reason to be a bit envious for your constitution, but it's seriously starting to show its old age. And really 200+ years is a very honorable age for any piece of legislation, you shouldn't be ashamed that it doesn't fit modern needs!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is one of the ( admittedly very few ) aspects where your constitution is a lot worse than the state of affairs we have in most of Europe .
It does n't have any privacy protection built in , since that was not a problem in the late 1700s , and freedom of speech is built in , so it always trumps any privacy concerns as long as the speech is truthful.Fanatics who worship the founding fathers religiously of course claim this is as it should be ( and the constitution is just perfect , wahwah... ) , but seriously , I see perp walks as an even worse offense of the very same kind .
I do believe most Europeans do have a reason to be a bit envious for your constitution , but it 's seriously starting to show its old age .
And really 200 + years is a very honorable age for any piece of legislation , you should n't be ashamed that it does n't fit modern needs !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is one of the (admittedly very few) aspects where your constitution is a lot worse than the state of affairs we have in most of Europe.
It doesn't have any privacy protection built in, since that was not a problem in the late 1700s, and freedom of speech is built in, so it always trumps any privacy concerns as long as the speech is truthful.Fanatics who worship the founding fathers religiously of course claim this is as it should be (and the constitution is just perfect, wahwah...), but seriously, I see perp walks as an even worse offense of the very same kind.
I do believe most Europeans do have a reason to be a bit envious for your constitution, but it's seriously starting to show its old age.
And really 200+ years is a very honorable age for any piece of legislation, you shouldn't be ashamed that it doesn't fit modern needs!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550974</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>jabbathewocket</author>
	<datestamp>1261758120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Umm they are publishing via twitter data that anyone can get (frequently from boring local newssheets/newspapers) on who was arrested.. IE its not a "this person is guilty and we are preconvicting them" merely a statement of information that so and so was arrested.<br>

The argument is not that people are wrongly put on feed, the discussion should rather be about<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. is gossip mongering an appropriate or even an effective tool.. <br>

On its face the idea that "consequences" will prevent a poor decision.. in this case should already be covered by the fact that they are not only putting their own lives into jeopardy, but also anyone in the vehicle or on the road or even NEAR the road.. should they not? Is twitter identification a stronger motivation than potentially killing or seriously injuring yourself and others, as well as potential jail time already a VERY strong reason to not engage in this type of behavior?

is there potential for possible embarassing phone calls from similarly named people who show up on the feed? If it really was not you, thats easy enough to prove that anyone could check it in 2 secs, and would be in a world of legal trouble for firing based on it.<br>

I submit for discussion that.. if your name on twitter means more to you than your life.. there are MUCH bigger issues than this one to worry about.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm they are publishing via twitter data that anyone can get ( frequently from boring local newssheets/newspapers ) on who was arrested.. IE its not a " this person is guilty and we are preconvicting them " merely a statement of information that so and so was arrested .
The argument is not that people are wrongly put on feed , the discussion should rather be about .. is gossip mongering an appropriate or even an effective tool. . On its face the idea that " consequences " will prevent a poor decision.. in this case should already be covered by the fact that they are not only putting their own lives into jeopardy , but also anyone in the vehicle or on the road or even NEAR the road.. should they not ?
Is twitter identification a stronger motivation than potentially killing or seriously injuring yourself and others , as well as potential jail time already a VERY strong reason to not engage in this type of behavior ?
is there potential for possible embarassing phone calls from similarly named people who show up on the feed ?
If it really was not you , thats easy enough to prove that anyone could check it in 2 secs , and would be in a world of legal trouble for firing based on it .
I submit for discussion that.. if your name on twitter means more to you than your life.. there are MUCH bigger issues than this one to worry about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm they are publishing via twitter data that anyone can get (frequently from boring local newssheets/newspapers) on who was arrested.. IE its not a "this person is guilty and we are preconvicting them" merely a statement of information that so and so was arrested.
The argument is not that people are wrongly put on feed, the discussion should rather be about .. is gossip mongering an appropriate or even an effective tool.. 

On its face the idea that "consequences" will prevent a poor decision.. in this case should already be covered by the fact that they are not only putting their own lives into jeopardy, but also anyone in the vehicle or on the road or even NEAR the road.. should they not?
Is twitter identification a stronger motivation than potentially killing or seriously injuring yourself and others, as well as potential jail time already a VERY strong reason to not engage in this type of behavior?
is there potential for possible embarassing phone calls from similarly named people who show up on the feed?
If it really was not you, thats easy enough to prove that anyone could check it in 2 secs, and would be in a world of legal trouble for firing based on it.
I submit for discussion that.. if your name on twitter means more to you than your life.. there are MUCH bigger issues than this one to worry about.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550182</id>
	<title>things have changed re drunk driving.</title>
	<author>stimpleton</author>
	<datestamp>1261742160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am from New Zealand but I presume attitudes are similar in other countries.<br> <br>
20 years ago driving drunk was pretty much ignored by police and "as long as the car knew its way home" things were fine.
I would imagine "young'uns" must really find this hard to imagine, but there was really nothing seen as wrong with DUI. You just did. <br> <br>Within 1/2 my lifetime(1/4 for some), the subject has gone from being seen as harmless, and perhaps something to laugh over at monday morning coffee to seeing a person caught going into custody, then potentialy jail, fines, loss of license, but more over, the social stigma, and potential job loss.<br> <br>I do not drink and drive any more, as I can see the logic of not, buts it mainly to avoid fines and job risk.<br> <br>Police sure make some money though. Those fines boost those coffers...just sayin'....</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am from New Zealand but I presume attitudes are similar in other countries .
20 years ago driving drunk was pretty much ignored by police and " as long as the car knew its way home " things were fine .
I would imagine " young'uns " must really find this hard to imagine , but there was really nothing seen as wrong with DUI .
You just did .
Within 1/2 my lifetime ( 1/4 for some ) , the subject has gone from being seen as harmless , and perhaps something to laugh over at monday morning coffee to seeing a person caught going into custody , then potentialy jail , fines , loss of license , but more over , the social stigma , and potential job loss .
I do not drink and drive any more , as I can see the logic of not , buts it mainly to avoid fines and job risk .
Police sure make some money though .
Those fines boost those coffers...just sayin'... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am from New Zealand but I presume attitudes are similar in other countries.
20 years ago driving drunk was pretty much ignored by police and "as long as the car knew its way home" things were fine.
I would imagine "young'uns" must really find this hard to imagine, but there was really nothing seen as wrong with DUI.
You just did.
Within 1/2 my lifetime(1/4 for some), the subject has gone from being seen as harmless, and perhaps something to laugh over at monday morning coffee to seeing a person caught going into custody, then potentialy jail, fines, loss of license, but more over, the social stigma, and potential job loss.
I do not drink and drive any more, as I can see the logic of not, buts it mainly to avoid fines and job risk.
Police sure make some money though.
Those fines boost those coffers...just sayin'....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549964</id>
	<title>Your grandkids will love it!</title>
	<author>sosume</author>
	<datestamp>1261736220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In a hundred years, your grand-grand-grand kids will have fun googling their ancestry and finding that they were driving under influence<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>
&nbsp; nowait - doesn't the DA know that the internet never forgets? That anyone can find this informatiuon by just googling someone's name?<br>"Hello i'm here for the job interview"- "Oh I see you had a DUI 32 years ago<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. sorry we can't employ convicts here"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a hundred years , your grand-grand-grand kids will have fun googling their ancestry and finding that they were driving under influence .. .   nowait - does n't the DA know that the internet never forgets ?
That anyone can find this informatiuon by just googling someone 's name ?
" Hello i 'm here for the job interview " - " Oh I see you had a DUI 32 years ago .. sorry we ca n't employ convicts here "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a hundred years, your grand-grand-grand kids will have fun googling their ancestry and finding that they were driving under influence ...
  nowait - doesn't the DA know that the internet never forgets?
That anyone can find this informatiuon by just googling someone's name?
"Hello i'm here for the job interview"- "Oh I see you had a DUI 32 years ago .. sorry we can't employ convicts here"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551490</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261764300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do they give you back the money you spent on the lawyer to prove your innocens?</p><p>Of course not. This is America, where you are guilty until proven innocent (or are at least not black).</p><p>Simply put, America is a sinkhole of unethical 'justice' and Texas is the lowest pit of this already festering sore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do they give you back the money you spent on the lawyer to prove your innocens ? Of course not .
This is America , where you are guilty until proven innocent ( or are at least not black ) .Simply put , America is a sinkhole of unethical 'justice ' and Texas is the lowest pit of this already festering sore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do they give you back the money you spent on the lawyer to prove your innocens?Of course not.
This is America, where you are guilty until proven innocent (or are at least not black).Simply put, America is a sinkhole of unethical 'justice' and Texas is the lowest pit of this already festering sore.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30554910</id>
	<title>Right!</title>
	<author>okmijnuhb</author>
	<datestamp>1261823280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because an alcoholic's primary focus, after dancing around with a lampshade on his head, is worrying about what people will think of them on twitter. If they even know what twitter is.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because an alcoholic 's primary focus , after dancing around with a lampshade on his head , is worrying about what people will think of them on twitter .
If they even know what twitter is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because an alcoholic's primary focus, after dancing around with a lampshade on his head, is worrying about what people will think of them on twitter.
If they even know what twitter is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30574208</id>
	<title>Re:Your grandkids will love it!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262030520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dunno.. I almost see the opposite outcome.  Searching for someone's name will bring up so much noise that no one will bother to do it anymore.  If "sexting" makes one a "sex offender" then being labeled "sex offender" is no longer a bad thing, so it's useless to try to find out if the baby sitter is a sex offender, because most people are.</p><p>Instead of "Sorry, we don't employ convicts here," it's "oh, everybody's been accused of something, so we probably do employ convicts but don't know who they are."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno.. I almost see the opposite outcome .
Searching for someone 's name will bring up so much noise that no one will bother to do it anymore .
If " sexting " makes one a " sex offender " then being labeled " sex offender " is no longer a bad thing , so it 's useless to try to find out if the baby sitter is a sex offender , because most people are.Instead of " Sorry , we do n't employ convicts here , " it 's " oh , everybody 's been accused of something , so we probably do employ convicts but do n't know who they are .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno.. I almost see the opposite outcome.
Searching for someone's name will bring up so much noise that no one will bother to do it anymore.
If "sexting" makes one a "sex offender" then being labeled "sex offender" is no longer a bad thing, so it's useless to try to find out if the baby sitter is a sex offender, because most people are.Instead of "Sorry, we don't employ convicts here," it's "oh, everybody's been accused of something, so we probably do employ convicts but don't know who they are.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549870</id>
	<title>Crew &amp; Unusal Punishment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261733880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't there some law about cruel and unusual punishment?  Publicly humiliating a person for all the world to see is a little unusual and potentially cruel.  With search engines; this will make someone's life very interesting; not to mention immortal with search engine caches.  Try explaining this one to your boss.</p><p>No, I am not advocating or protecting drunk driving; it's the judges job to dish out the punishment not law enforcement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't there some law about cruel and unusual punishment ?
Publicly humiliating a person for all the world to see is a little unusual and potentially cruel .
With search engines ; this will make someone 's life very interesting ; not to mention immortal with search engine caches .
Try explaining this one to your boss.No , I am not advocating or protecting drunk driving ; it 's the judges job to dish out the punishment not law enforcement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't there some law about cruel and unusual punishment?
Publicly humiliating a person for all the world to see is a little unusual and potentially cruel.
With search engines; this will make someone's life very interesting; not to mention immortal with search engine caches.
Try explaining this one to your boss.No, I am not advocating or protecting drunk driving; it's the judges job to dish out the punishment not law enforcement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551118</id>
	<title>Re:Doubtful</title>
	<author>Kartoffel</author>
	<datestamp>1261760580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>@MindlessAutomata plus drunk tweeting is even less cool than doing it sober. #loltwitterisdumb</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>@ MindlessAutomata plus drunk tweeting is even less cool than doing it sober .
# loltwitterisdumb</tokentext>
<sentencetext>@MindlessAutomata plus drunk tweeting is even less cool than doing it sober.
#loltwitterisdumb</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30557174</id>
	<title>They're really confused or dishonest</title>
	<author>phorgan1</author>
	<datestamp>1261855560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not hard to figure out that this is not a deterrent to drunk driving.  The DA said, "It's not a magic bullet that's going to end DWIs, but its something to make people think twice before they get behind the wheel of a car and drive while they're intoxicated."  People drunk enough to exhibit driving that will get them pulled over for drunk driving are not going to be thinking about twitter!  They think of things like, where's my keys? Oh, in my hand?  Hold it steady, hold it steady, get the key in the slot.
The real reason for this, is the same as most things that DAs publish press releases for.  They want to LOOK tough on crime.  It makes it easier to get budgets and in counties that elect DAs easier to get elected.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not hard to figure out that this is not a deterrent to drunk driving .
The DA said , " It 's not a magic bullet that 's going to end DWIs , but its something to make people think twice before they get behind the wheel of a car and drive while they 're intoxicated .
" People drunk enough to exhibit driving that will get them pulled over for drunk driving are not going to be thinking about twitter !
They think of things like , where 's my keys ?
Oh , in my hand ?
Hold it steady , hold it steady , get the key in the slot .
The real reason for this , is the same as most things that DAs publish press releases for .
They want to LOOK tough on crime .
It makes it easier to get budgets and in counties that elect DAs easier to get elected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not hard to figure out that this is not a deterrent to drunk driving.
The DA said, "It's not a magic bullet that's going to end DWIs, but its something to make people think twice before they get behind the wheel of a car and drive while they're intoxicated.
"  People drunk enough to exhibit driving that will get them pulled over for drunk driving are not going to be thinking about twitter!
They think of things like, where's my keys?
Oh, in my hand?
Hold it steady, hold it steady, get the key in the slot.
The real reason for this, is the same as most things that DAs publish press releases for.
They want to LOOK tough on crime.
It makes it easier to get budgets and in counties that elect DAs easier to get elected.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551096</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261760280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And how will they compensate anyone wrongfully put on that feed for the damage to their reputation? The Court of Public Opinion can be brutal about these things, especially when they work in HR somewhere..</p></div><p>My girlfriend was wrongly put on something like this when she couldn't pass a field sobriety test when she got pulled over driving over a patch of black ice and hitting a curb. She doesn't like alcohol and never drinks it. The thing is, she has a rare neurological disorder so that she has poor coordination.  She can't outstretch her arms to the side and bring one finger forward to touch her nose--she will miss every time.  She also can't stand on one foot while remaining on balance.  Of course, my girlfriend is the type of woman who is very smart but isn't very good about standing up for herself or being assertive and she ended up pleading guilty without fighting it after the cops pressured her.  So she's lost her license for a while and she also has been fired from her teaching job because of this episode, while having the cop apparently radio in her excuse to dispatch because they thought it was funny and hadn't heard that excuse before...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And how will they compensate anyone wrongfully put on that feed for the damage to their reputation ?
The Court of Public Opinion can be brutal about these things , especially when they work in HR somewhere..My girlfriend was wrongly put on something like this when she could n't pass a field sobriety test when she got pulled over driving over a patch of black ice and hitting a curb .
She does n't like alcohol and never drinks it .
The thing is , she has a rare neurological disorder so that she has poor coordination .
She ca n't outstretch her arms to the side and bring one finger forward to touch her nose--she will miss every time .
She also ca n't stand on one foot while remaining on balance .
Of course , my girlfriend is the type of woman who is very smart but is n't very good about standing up for herself or being assertive and she ended up pleading guilty without fighting it after the cops pressured her .
So she 's lost her license for a while and she also has been fired from her teaching job because of this episode , while having the cop apparently radio in her excuse to dispatch because they thought it was funny and had n't heard that excuse before.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And how will they compensate anyone wrongfully put on that feed for the damage to their reputation?
The Court of Public Opinion can be brutal about these things, especially when they work in HR somewhere..My girlfriend was wrongly put on something like this when she couldn't pass a field sobriety test when she got pulled over driving over a patch of black ice and hitting a curb.
She doesn't like alcohol and never drinks it.
The thing is, she has a rare neurological disorder so that she has poor coordination.
She can't outstretch her arms to the side and bring one finger forward to touch her nose--she will miss every time.
She also can't stand on one foot while remaining on balance.
Of course, my girlfriend is the type of woman who is very smart but isn't very good about standing up for herself or being assertive and she ended up pleading guilty without fighting it after the cops pressured her.
So she's lost her license for a while and she also has been fired from her teaching job because of this episode, while having the cop apparently radio in her excuse to dispatch because they thought it was funny and hadn't heard that excuse before...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549960</id>
	<title>Why not try this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261736160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not try getting the bars in there area to have a live display of the feeds, that way they can see how many people in the area are getting pulled over/taken in.  Also gives a game to play.....lets see if bob makes it home....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not try getting the bars in there area to have a live display of the feeds , that way they can see how many people in the area are getting pulled over/taken in .
Also gives a game to play.....lets see if bob makes it home... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not try getting the bars in there area to have a live display of the feeds, that way they can see how many people in the area are getting pulled over/taken in.
Also gives a game to play.....lets see if bob makes it home....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549884</id>
	<title>Well</title>
	<author>ShooterNeo</author>
	<datestamp>1261734120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fact is, this publishing of names like this is a form of punishment for the crime.</p><p>Fact is, the Constitutions of the United States AND the Constitution of Texas both say you cannot be deprived of privileges or property without due process.  Due process means a conviction/guilty plea in a court of law.</p><p>Fact is, people beat DUI charges all the time.  They hire good lawyers at their own expense that know how to work the system.  Those people are never found guilty of the crime, yet this twitter feed essentially punishes the innocent as determined by a court of law.  It's unconstitutional, but it will cost time and money to fight this criminal act on the part of the police department.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fact is , this publishing of names like this is a form of punishment for the crime.Fact is , the Constitutions of the United States AND the Constitution of Texas both say you can not be deprived of privileges or property without due process .
Due process means a conviction/guilty plea in a court of law.Fact is , people beat DUI charges all the time .
They hire good lawyers at their own expense that know how to work the system .
Those people are never found guilty of the crime , yet this twitter feed essentially punishes the innocent as determined by a court of law .
It 's unconstitutional , but it will cost time and money to fight this criminal act on the part of the police department .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fact is, this publishing of names like this is a form of punishment for the crime.Fact is, the Constitutions of the United States AND the Constitution of Texas both say you cannot be deprived of privileges or property without due process.
Due process means a conviction/guilty plea in a court of law.Fact is, people beat DUI charges all the time.
They hire good lawyers at their own expense that know how to work the system.
Those people are never found guilty of the crime, yet this twitter feed essentially punishes the innocent as determined by a court of law.
It's unconstitutional, but it will cost time and money to fight this criminal act on the part of the police department.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551972</id>
	<title>Re:Future News: Wrongfully Charged Awarded Million</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261770600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"DUI is a terrible thing, and I won't defend it."</p><p>I will.  A DUI, AS DEFINED BY LAW, esp. with BAC standards at<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.08, is ridiculous.  It's a cash cow, and a way for segments of society to present a black and white issue when the issue is far more grey.  Most DUIs that cause actual harm have been shown to be over<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.15, yet the tolerances go lower, and cops are running around tackling the small fries while the big ones are missed.</p><p>Worse, DUI offenses have been used to bolster the infringement of basic rights, such as disposal/non-retention of key evidence (breathlyzer samples are trivial to keep and store, yet are nearly always disposed of, because SCOTUS allowed them to be disposed because loss of such evidence was not by design/purposeful (say what?)).  Even sports testing equivalents are held to a higher standard than the law that directly impacts a person's criminal record.  (And once you have a record, it's used against you, no matter how small; it'll be brought up in future cases, it'll be used as grounds for not taking a complaint of yours seriously.)</p><p>Further, there are people in this world with alcohol addiction.  It's a disease.  Losing your job doesn't help battle it.  It worsens the downward spiral.  I've seen on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. discussions of "moral equivalence" where<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.ers consider DUI *far* worse than marijuana convictions, despite the latter clearly bolstering cartels and economic depression that directly kill and bolster criminal organizations well even the worse DUI cases I've seen.</p><p>When people purposefully discuss DUI without drawing a line to damage and responsibility, then they are no longer talking about stopping and preventing a DUI, but about the social elevation they get on some self-created moral line.</p><p>"The speed change part above happened to my wife a few years ago. She was pulled over and asked if she had been drinking because she dramatically slowed down."</p><p>In Pennsylvania, cops are trained to pull people over if they are yellow line riding (close to the yellow, which is actually pretty normal behavior for nighttime driving on quiet roads given the number of walkers and animals that will suddenly appear in your headlights on the right).  They use the excuse to check you for DUI, and if you don't show it, they ticket you for speeding anyway.</p><p>Cops are awarded for number of DUI tickets written (as well as number of speeding tickets written).  This was reported in the local paper (Lancaster) a number of years back, when there was a small blurb naming and commending such officers.</p><p>I don't really drink, unless you consider the 3 drinks total a year I have.  I had a bunch of 20 somethings throw a beer at my vehicle and sprayed my hood with beer as the can bounced off the road in front of me.  I called in to complain as I followed the vehicle.  When I met up with officers, I got DUI tested because one officer said "she smelled alcohol."  No shit, it's all over the front of the car.  She still tested me, saying that was cause.  I couldn't refuse no matter how absurd, as I would have been arrested for DUI under PA law for such a refusal.</p><p>What was interesting was the tactics used.  For example, the follow the light test with your eyes, they actually drop the light completely out and downward, and the officer completely relaxes.  You think the test is over, so you turn to ask what's next or you relax yourself, then they spring the light up suddenly.  Then they say that's possible cause you are under the influence, all with a smirk.</p><p>"It is not the job of the "beat officer" to make a conviction..."</p><p>Depends on the charge.  In Pennsylvania again, summary offenses are essentially "guilty until proven innocent."  DUI is not considered a summary offense, but any traffic violation is.  You have to prove your innocence.  The close correlation between the two allow, as previously mentioned, officers to be aggressive to get a DUI by pulling people over, meanwhile if you clearly aren't, they tick</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" DUI is a terrible thing , and I wo n't defend it .
" I will .
A DUI , AS DEFINED BY LAW , esp .
with BAC standards at .08 , is ridiculous .
It 's a cash cow , and a way for segments of society to present a black and white issue when the issue is far more grey .
Most DUIs that cause actual harm have been shown to be over .15 , yet the tolerances go lower , and cops are running around tackling the small fries while the big ones are missed.Worse , DUI offenses have been used to bolster the infringement of basic rights , such as disposal/non-retention of key evidence ( breathlyzer samples are trivial to keep and store , yet are nearly always disposed of , because SCOTUS allowed them to be disposed because loss of such evidence was not by design/purposeful ( say what ? ) ) .
Even sports testing equivalents are held to a higher standard than the law that directly impacts a person 's criminal record .
( And once you have a record , it 's used against you , no matter how small ; it 'll be brought up in future cases , it 'll be used as grounds for not taking a complaint of yours seriously .
) Further , there are people in this world with alcohol addiction .
It 's a disease .
Losing your job does n't help battle it .
It worsens the downward spiral .
I 've seen on / .
discussions of " moral equivalence " where /.ers consider DUI * far * worse than marijuana convictions , despite the latter clearly bolstering cartels and economic depression that directly kill and bolster criminal organizations well even the worse DUI cases I 've seen.When people purposefully discuss DUI without drawing a line to damage and responsibility , then they are no longer talking about stopping and preventing a DUI , but about the social elevation they get on some self-created moral line .
" The speed change part above happened to my wife a few years ago .
She was pulled over and asked if she had been drinking because she dramatically slowed down .
" In Pennsylvania , cops are trained to pull people over if they are yellow line riding ( close to the yellow , which is actually pretty normal behavior for nighttime driving on quiet roads given the number of walkers and animals that will suddenly appear in your headlights on the right ) .
They use the excuse to check you for DUI , and if you do n't show it , they ticket you for speeding anyway.Cops are awarded for number of DUI tickets written ( as well as number of speeding tickets written ) .
This was reported in the local paper ( Lancaster ) a number of years back , when there was a small blurb naming and commending such officers.I do n't really drink , unless you consider the 3 drinks total a year I have .
I had a bunch of 20 somethings throw a beer at my vehicle and sprayed my hood with beer as the can bounced off the road in front of me .
I called in to complain as I followed the vehicle .
When I met up with officers , I got DUI tested because one officer said " she smelled alcohol .
" No shit , it 's all over the front of the car .
She still tested me , saying that was cause .
I could n't refuse no matter how absurd , as I would have been arrested for DUI under PA law for such a refusal.What was interesting was the tactics used .
For example , the follow the light test with your eyes , they actually drop the light completely out and downward , and the officer completely relaxes .
You think the test is over , so you turn to ask what 's next or you relax yourself , then they spring the light up suddenly .
Then they say that 's possible cause you are under the influence , all with a smirk .
" It is not the job of the " beat officer " to make a conviction... " Depends on the charge .
In Pennsylvania again , summary offenses are essentially " guilty until proven innocent .
" DUI is not considered a summary offense , but any traffic violation is .
You have to prove your innocence .
The close correlation between the two allow , as previously mentioned , officers to be aggressive to get a DUI by pulling people over , meanwhile if you clearly are n't , they tick</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"DUI is a terrible thing, and I won't defend it.
"I will.
A DUI, AS DEFINED BY LAW, esp.
with BAC standards at .08, is ridiculous.
It's a cash cow, and a way for segments of society to present a black and white issue when the issue is far more grey.
Most DUIs that cause actual harm have been shown to be over .15, yet the tolerances go lower, and cops are running around tackling the small fries while the big ones are missed.Worse, DUI offenses have been used to bolster the infringement of basic rights, such as disposal/non-retention of key evidence (breathlyzer samples are trivial to keep and store, yet are nearly always disposed of, because SCOTUS allowed them to be disposed because loss of such evidence was not by design/purposeful (say what?)).
Even sports testing equivalents are held to a higher standard than the law that directly impacts a person's criminal record.
(And once you have a record, it's used against you, no matter how small; it'll be brought up in future cases, it'll be used as grounds for not taking a complaint of yours seriously.
)Further, there are people in this world with alcohol addiction.
It's a disease.
Losing your job doesn't help battle it.
It worsens the downward spiral.
I've seen on /.
discussions of "moral equivalence" where /.ers consider DUI *far* worse than marijuana convictions, despite the latter clearly bolstering cartels and economic depression that directly kill and bolster criminal organizations well even the worse DUI cases I've seen.When people purposefully discuss DUI without drawing a line to damage and responsibility, then they are no longer talking about stopping and preventing a DUI, but about the social elevation they get on some self-created moral line.
"The speed change part above happened to my wife a few years ago.
She was pulled over and asked if she had been drinking because she dramatically slowed down.
"In Pennsylvania, cops are trained to pull people over if they are yellow line riding (close to the yellow, which is actually pretty normal behavior for nighttime driving on quiet roads given the number of walkers and animals that will suddenly appear in your headlights on the right).
They use the excuse to check you for DUI, and if you don't show it, they ticket you for speeding anyway.Cops are awarded for number of DUI tickets written (as well as number of speeding tickets written).
This was reported in the local paper (Lancaster) a number of years back, when there was a small blurb naming and commending such officers.I don't really drink, unless you consider the 3 drinks total a year I have.
I had a bunch of 20 somethings throw a beer at my vehicle and sprayed my hood with beer as the can bounced off the road in front of me.
I called in to complain as I followed the vehicle.
When I met up with officers, I got DUI tested because one officer said "she smelled alcohol.
"  No shit, it's all over the front of the car.
She still tested me, saying that was cause.
I couldn't refuse no matter how absurd, as I would have been arrested for DUI under PA law for such a refusal.What was interesting was the tactics used.
For example, the follow the light test with your eyes, they actually drop the light completely out and downward, and the officer completely relaxes.
You think the test is over, so you turn to ask what's next or you relax yourself, then they spring the light up suddenly.
Then they say that's possible cause you are under the influence, all with a smirk.
"It is not the job of the "beat officer" to make a conviction..."Depends on the charge.
In Pennsylvania again, summary offenses are essentially "guilty until proven innocent.
"  DUI is not considered a summary offense, but any traffic violation is.
You have to prove your innocence.
The close correlation between the two allow, as previously mentioned, officers to be aggressive to get a DUI by pulling people over, meanwhile if you clearly aren't, they tick</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549838</id>
	<title>Mod parent up</title>
	<author>TapeCutter</author>
	<datestamp>1261733400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is supposed to be a difference between being charged and being convicted.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is supposed to be a difference between being charged and being convicted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is supposed to be a difference between being charged and being convicted.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550064</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>TubeSteak</author>
	<datestamp>1261738740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And how will they compensate anyone wrongfully put on that feed for the damage to their reputation? The Court of Public Opinion can be brutal about these things, especially when they work in HR somewhere..</p></div><p>You ever hear of the police blotter?<br><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=police+blotter" title="google.com">http://www.google.com/search?q=police+blotter</a> [google.com]</p><p>Unless you're a minor, the fact of your arrest and the charges surrounding it are part of a public record that gets published daily.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And how will they compensate anyone wrongfully put on that feed for the damage to their reputation ?
The Court of Public Opinion can be brutal about these things , especially when they work in HR somewhere..You ever hear of the police blotter ? http : //www.google.com/search ? q = police + blotter [ google.com ] Unless you 're a minor , the fact of your arrest and the charges surrounding it are part of a public record that gets published daily .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And how will they compensate anyone wrongfully put on that feed for the damage to their reputation?
The Court of Public Opinion can be brutal about these things, especially when they work in HR somewhere..You ever hear of the police blotter?http://www.google.com/search?q=police+blotter [google.com]Unless you're a minor, the fact of your arrest and the charges surrounding it are part of a public record that gets published daily.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30553302</id>
	<title>Re:"charged with"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261746960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you said it best when you mentioned it's public record.</p><p>it's a public record, you had been accused of something and in your case you didn't do it!</p><p>Stand up and defend yourself, not cry about how we should dissolve the police departments of the country.  It's all kids and hippies and geeks that complain about this stuff because kids are going through their rebellion phase and don't tend to like any authority, hippies because they're still pissed that drugs are illegal (Not saying that our drug laws or just), and geeks because they're generally afraid of everything, hencely the tin foil hats.  Years of abuse by the cool kids in highschool tends to do that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you said it best when you mentioned it 's public record.it 's a public record , you had been accused of something and in your case you did n't do it ! Stand up and defend yourself , not cry about how we should dissolve the police departments of the country .
It 's all kids and hippies and geeks that complain about this stuff because kids are going through their rebellion phase and do n't tend to like any authority , hippies because they 're still pissed that drugs are illegal ( Not saying that our drug laws or just ) , and geeks because they 're generally afraid of everything , hencely the tin foil hats .
Years of abuse by the cool kids in highschool tends to do that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you said it best when you mentioned it's public record.it's a public record, you had been accused of something and in your case you didn't do it!Stand up and defend yourself, not cry about how we should dissolve the police departments of the country.
It's all kids and hippies and geeks that complain about this stuff because kids are going through their rebellion phase and don't tend to like any authority, hippies because they're still pissed that drugs are illegal (Not saying that our drug laws or just), and geeks because they're generally afraid of everything, hencely the tin foil hats.
Years of abuse by the cool kids in highschool tends to do that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551408</id>
	<title>Re:What? No Due Process?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261763460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People driving impaired *are* dangerous, yes.  But the "crusade" of the past few decades started off good - mostly by simply raising awareness - and the subsequent pursuit of more draconian rules hasn't saved lives, it's punished those who aren't statistically in the group who are the problem.</p><p>First of all, BAC isn't at all perfectly correlated with impairment of motor skills or judgment.  One person's<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.08 is very different from many others'<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.08.  When the standard was higher (.10 in most places) it was sufficiently high so that people meeting that number *were* almost always impaired.  Today that's not the case.  In any event, those people who are intoxicated and cause accidents (weed out the MADD 'data' which count any accident where any injured person has consumed any alcohol as an 'alcohol-related-accident' - even if the person who has imbibed is in the passenger seat of a car stopped at a red light that's hit by a truck) are statistically far more intoxicated than<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.08.</p><p>In the 80s and 90s, the publicity of the issue led to politicians jumping on the 'tough-on-drunk-driving' bandwagon, taking discretion away from judges, especially with regard to sentencing and punishment.  "Zero-tolerance" led to my DUI twenty years ago - my designated driver took off, leaving me drunk with my car.  I chose to sleep it off in the parking lot and was charged with DUI (in NJ, all that's necessary for a person to be 'in control' of the vehicle is that the ignition key is in the vehicle somewhere accessible for the person in it).  The car was not even running.</p><p>The judge told me that I did just what I should have, that he can't tell me another course of action I should have taken instead, and that he was powerless to reflect that in the sentence he had to assess me.</p><p>Crusade-like issues don't usually end up accomplishing what they originally seek to - or, if they do, they rarely proclaim victory and disband.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People driving impaired * are * dangerous , yes .
But the " crusade " of the past few decades started off good - mostly by simply raising awareness - and the subsequent pursuit of more draconian rules has n't saved lives , it 's punished those who are n't statistically in the group who are the problem.First of all , BAC is n't at all perfectly correlated with impairment of motor skills or judgment .
One person 's .08 is very different from many others ' .08 .
When the standard was higher ( .10 in most places ) it was sufficiently high so that people meeting that number * were * almost always impaired .
Today that 's not the case .
In any event , those people who are intoxicated and cause accidents ( weed out the MADD 'data ' which count any accident where any injured person has consumed any alcohol as an 'alcohol-related-accident ' - even if the person who has imbibed is in the passenger seat of a car stopped at a red light that 's hit by a truck ) are statistically far more intoxicated than .08.In the 80s and 90s , the publicity of the issue led to politicians jumping on the 'tough-on-drunk-driving ' bandwagon , taking discretion away from judges , especially with regard to sentencing and punishment .
" Zero-tolerance " led to my DUI twenty years ago - my designated driver took off , leaving me drunk with my car .
I chose to sleep it off in the parking lot and was charged with DUI ( in NJ , all that 's necessary for a person to be 'in control ' of the vehicle is that the ignition key is in the vehicle somewhere accessible for the person in it ) .
The car was not even running.The judge told me that I did just what I should have , that he ca n't tell me another course of action I should have taken instead , and that he was powerless to reflect that in the sentence he had to assess me.Crusade-like issues do n't usually end up accomplishing what they originally seek to - or , if they do , they rarely proclaim victory and disband .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People driving impaired *are* dangerous, yes.
But the "crusade" of the past few decades started off good - mostly by simply raising awareness - and the subsequent pursuit of more draconian rules hasn't saved lives, it's punished those who aren't statistically in the group who are the problem.First of all, BAC isn't at all perfectly correlated with impairment of motor skills or judgment.
One person's .08 is very different from many others' .08.
When the standard was higher (.10 in most places) it was sufficiently high so that people meeting that number *were* almost always impaired.
Today that's not the case.
In any event, those people who are intoxicated and cause accidents (weed out the MADD 'data' which count any accident where any injured person has consumed any alcohol as an 'alcohol-related-accident' - even if the person who has imbibed is in the passenger seat of a car stopped at a red light that's hit by a truck) are statistically far more intoxicated than .08.In the 80s and 90s, the publicity of the issue led to politicians jumping on the 'tough-on-drunk-driving' bandwagon, taking discretion away from judges, especially with regard to sentencing and punishment.
"Zero-tolerance" led to my DUI twenty years ago - my designated driver took off, leaving me drunk with my car.
I chose to sleep it off in the parking lot and was charged with DUI (in NJ, all that's necessary for a person to be 'in control' of the vehicle is that the ignition key is in the vehicle somewhere accessible for the person in it).
The car was not even running.The judge told me that I did just what I should have, that he can't tell me another course of action I should have taken instead, and that he was powerless to reflect that in the sentence he had to assess me.Crusade-like issues don't usually end up accomplishing what they originally seek to - or, if they do, they rarely proclaim victory and disband.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549940</id>
	<title>Re:First!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261735380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah. What sort of an antisocial jerk is going to subscribe to that twitter feed and sift through a bunch of names of people they've never heard of on the off chance that they run into a neighbor?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah .
What sort of an antisocial jerk is going to subscribe to that twitter feed and sift through a bunch of names of people they 've never heard of on the off chance that they run into a neighbor ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah.
What sort of an antisocial jerk is going to subscribe to that twitter feed and sift through a bunch of names of people they've never heard of on the off chance that they run into a neighbor?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550040</id>
	<title>Re:First!</title>
	<author>mpe</author>
	<datestamp>1261737900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>If they'd really want to embarrass drunk drivers, force them to drive around with a pink license plate (or any other flashy colors)</i> <br> <br>Forcing them to <b>not</b> drive is a far more sensible idea.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they 'd really want to embarrass drunk drivers , force them to drive around with a pink license plate ( or any other flashy colors ) Forcing them to not drive is a far more sensible idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they'd really want to embarrass drunk drivers, force them to drive around with a pink license plate (or any other flashy colors)  Forcing them to not drive is a far more sensible idea.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550320</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261745280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fact is, you've never bothered to pick up and read any town's news paper have you? Turn to the local section, and you'll see a list of all crimes people have been charged with, that have been waived or dropped, and crimes people have been found guilty for. This is no different than that's been going on in news print for.. I'd imagine a long ass time. I know it's been in our local paper since I first picked one up back 20 years ago</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fact is , you 've never bothered to pick up and read any town 's news paper have you ?
Turn to the local section , and you 'll see a list of all crimes people have been charged with , that have been waived or dropped , and crimes people have been found guilty for .
This is no different than that 's been going on in news print for.. I 'd imagine a long ass time .
I know it 's been in our local paper since I first picked one up back 20 years ago</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fact is, you've never bothered to pick up and read any town's news paper have you?
Turn to the local section, and you'll see a list of all crimes people have been charged with, that have been waived or dropped, and crimes people have been found guilty for.
This is no different than that's been going on in news print for.. I'd imagine a long ass time.
I know it's been in our local paper since I first picked one up back 20 years ago</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549790</id>
	<title>What?  No Due Process?</title>
	<author>hedgemage</author>
	<datestamp>1261732800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I checked the article to be sure, and yep, it says that those CHARGED will have their names published on Twitter.  So, even if you are found not guilty, you are going to be publicly named as a DUI offender before you even get a chance to clear your name.<br>
I'm not trying to excuse drunk drivers, but for some reason, its seen as ok to make those charged or convicted of DUIs out to be the scum of the earth, wantonly careening down the roadways, seeking out innocents to mow down, when in fact most people who get DUIs are just ordinary joes who made a bad decision while not in the best state of mind.<br>
The idea that it is somehow ok to humiliate people who are supposedly INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY seems like a prelude to a morality police state.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I checked the article to be sure , and yep , it says that those CHARGED will have their names published on Twitter .
So , even if you are found not guilty , you are going to be publicly named as a DUI offender before you even get a chance to clear your name .
I 'm not trying to excuse drunk drivers , but for some reason , its seen as ok to make those charged or convicted of DUIs out to be the scum of the earth , wantonly careening down the roadways , seeking out innocents to mow down , when in fact most people who get DUIs are just ordinary joes who made a bad decision while not in the best state of mind .
The idea that it is somehow ok to humiliate people who are supposedly INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY seems like a prelude to a morality police state .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I checked the article to be sure, and yep, it says that those CHARGED will have their names published on Twitter.
So, even if you are found not guilty, you are going to be publicly named as a DUI offender before you even get a chance to clear your name.
I'm not trying to excuse drunk drivers, but for some reason, its seen as ok to make those charged or convicted of DUIs out to be the scum of the earth, wantonly careening down the roadways, seeking out innocents to mow down, when in fact most people who get DUIs are just ordinary joes who made a bad decision while not in the best state of mind.
The idea that it is somehow ok to humiliate people who are supposedly INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY seems like a prelude to a morality police state.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30552756</id>
	<title>Alcohol-influened not "drunk driving fatalities"</title>
	<author>theNAM666</author>
	<datestamp>1261737480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The above poster quotes the statistics for so-called "alcohol-influened" fatalities.  This is a highly-questionable statistic,  derived from drivers (and sometimes passengers) being asked if they have consumed alcohol within 24 hours of an accident.</p><p>Correlation not being causality,  it is not very useful or indicative to have a number of the fatal accidents in the US,  in which 10\%,  20\%, or 50\% may consist of drivers or passengers who had a half a beer yesterday afternoon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The above poster quotes the statistics for so-called " alcohol-influened " fatalities .
This is a highly-questionable statistic , derived from drivers ( and sometimes passengers ) being asked if they have consumed alcohol within 24 hours of an accident.Correlation not being causality , it is not very useful or indicative to have a number of the fatal accidents in the US , in which 10 \ % , 20 \ % , or 50 \ % may consist of drivers or passengers who had a half a beer yesterday afternoon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The above poster quotes the statistics for so-called "alcohol-influened" fatalities.
This is a highly-questionable statistic,  derived from drivers (and sometimes passengers) being asked if they have consumed alcohol within 24 hours of an accident.Correlation not being causality,  it is not very useful or indicative to have a number of the fatal accidents in the US,  in which 10\%,  20\%, or 50\% may consist of drivers or passengers who had a half a beer yesterday afternoon.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550910</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549776</id>
	<title>First!</title>
	<author>Acid-Duck</author>
	<datestamp>1261732620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do people really care if their name is published on Twitter?  If they'd really want to embarrass drunk drivers, force them to drive around with a pink license plate (or any other flashy colors)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do people really care if their name is published on Twitter ?
If they 'd really want to embarrass drunk drivers , force them to drive around with a pink license plate ( or any other flashy colors )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do people really care if their name is published on Twitter?
If they'd really want to embarrass drunk drivers, force them to drive around with a pink license plate (or any other flashy colors)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551256</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261762080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gee... I wonder how many of those names will be HISPANIC?</p><p>Still, mustn't let the TRUTH get out, must we... just let them keep invading once safe America, until they have turned it into a third world shithole, like their own country...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gee... I wonder how many of those names will be HISPANIC ? Still , must n't let the TRUTH get out , must we... just let them keep invading once safe America , until they have turned it into a third world shithole , like their own country.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gee... I wonder how many of those names will be HISPANIC?Still, mustn't let the TRUTH get out, must we... just let them keep invading once safe America, until they have turned it into a third world shithole, like their own country...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549774</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551292</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>jlarocco</author>
	<datestamp>1261762380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I'm sorry, but I can't imagine this happening.  First, even the densest idiot realizes multiple people can have the same name.  Unless you work for a literal retard, I don't think you'd have a problem.
</p><p>
And besides that, getting a DUI fucks up your life a lot more than getting your name posted to twitter.  Little things like having your license revoked, getting thrown in jail, and spending a bunch of time in court.  Again, unless you work for a retard, your driving into work should tip them off that it wasn't you.
</p><p>
Worst case scenario is your boss says "I see you got a DUI" (as if he's following that twitter account, lol), then you whip out your license and prove him wrong.  Maybe a 30 second inconvenience.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sorry , but I ca n't imagine this happening .
First , even the densest idiot realizes multiple people can have the same name .
Unless you work for a literal retard , I do n't think you 'd have a problem .
And besides that , getting a DUI fucks up your life a lot more than getting your name posted to twitter .
Little things like having your license revoked , getting thrown in jail , and spending a bunch of time in court .
Again , unless you work for a retard , your driving into work should tip them off that it was n't you .
Worst case scenario is your boss says " I see you got a DUI " ( as if he 's following that twitter account , lol ) , then you whip out your license and prove him wrong .
Maybe a 30 second inconvenience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I'm sorry, but I can't imagine this happening.
First, even the densest idiot realizes multiple people can have the same name.
Unless you work for a literal retard, I don't think you'd have a problem.
And besides that, getting a DUI fucks up your life a lot more than getting your name posted to twitter.
Little things like having your license revoked, getting thrown in jail, and spending a bunch of time in court.
Again, unless you work for a retard, your driving into work should tip them off that it wasn't you.
Worst case scenario is your boss says "I see you got a DUI" (as if he's following that twitter account, lol), then you whip out your license and prove him wrong.
Maybe a 30 second inconvenience.
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550044</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551232</id>
	<title>Re:First!</title>
	<author>Devout\_IPUite</author>
	<datestamp>1261761780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Texans actually... They are very social people. Antisocial people wouldn't waste their time with this because they already hate people. People who interact (and potentially gossip) will subscribe to this to see who they knows who gets caught.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Texans actually... They are very social people .
Antisocial people would n't waste their time with this because they already hate people .
People who interact ( and potentially gossip ) will subscribe to this to see who they knows who gets caught .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Texans actually... They are very social people.
Antisocial people wouldn't waste their time with this because they already hate people.
People who interact (and potentially gossip) will subscribe to this to see who they knows who gets caught.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549940</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30553202</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261745100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm sorry, but I can't imagine this happening.  First, even the densest idiot realizes multiple people can have the same name.  Unless you work for a literal retard, I don't think you'd have a problem.</p></div><p>Have you ever actually had a job?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>Even if your boss is smart enough to realise 2 or more people could have the same name, the retard in HR who is comparing this twitter feed to the company employee list will think he's being a genius.</p><p>Even if he's not thinking he's a genius, he'll think that if he can get someone fired then he'll have some ammo come performance review time.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>And besides that, getting a DUI fucks up your life a lot more than getting your name posted to twitter.  Little things like having your license revoked, getting thrown in jail, and spending a bunch of time in court.  Again, unless you work for a retard, your driving into work should tip them off that it wasn't you.</p></div><p>As much as society's authority figures would like to think those things are bad, they aren't the end of the world at all.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Worst case scenario is your boss says "I see you got a DUI" (as if he's following that twitter account, lol), then you whip out your license and prove him wrong.  Maybe a 30 second inconvenience.</p></div><p>I wouldn't do shit to correct the boss. I'd let him slander me, then sue.</p><p>Well, I wouldn't, because using the law like that is only a choice for the rich.</p><p>I'd sit on the groundless allegations, and wait for what is basically an opportunity to blackmail.</p><p>In closing, fuck you and your guilty until proven innocent attitude. It's people like you who are an insult to the memories of those who died in the last century protecting principles like innocent until proven guilty.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sorry , but I ca n't imagine this happening .
First , even the densest idiot realizes multiple people can have the same name .
Unless you work for a literal retard , I do n't think you 'd have a problem.Have you ever actually had a job ?
; ) Even if your boss is smart enough to realise 2 or more people could have the same name , the retard in HR who is comparing this twitter feed to the company employee list will think he 's being a genius.Even if he 's not thinking he 's a genius , he 'll think that if he can get someone fired then he 'll have some ammo come performance review time.And besides that , getting a DUI fucks up your life a lot more than getting your name posted to twitter .
Little things like having your license revoked , getting thrown in jail , and spending a bunch of time in court .
Again , unless you work for a retard , your driving into work should tip them off that it was n't you.As much as society 's authority figures would like to think those things are bad , they are n't the end of the world at all.Worst case scenario is your boss says " I see you got a DUI " ( as if he 's following that twitter account , lol ) , then you whip out your license and prove him wrong .
Maybe a 30 second inconvenience.I would n't do shit to correct the boss .
I 'd let him slander me , then sue.Well , I would n't , because using the law like that is only a choice for the rich.I 'd sit on the groundless allegations , and wait for what is basically an opportunity to blackmail.In closing , fuck you and your guilty until proven innocent attitude .
It 's people like you who are an insult to the memories of those who died in the last century protecting principles like innocent until proven guilty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sorry, but I can't imagine this happening.
First, even the densest idiot realizes multiple people can have the same name.
Unless you work for a literal retard, I don't think you'd have a problem.Have you ever actually had a job?
;)Even if your boss is smart enough to realise 2 or more people could have the same name, the retard in HR who is comparing this twitter feed to the company employee list will think he's being a genius.Even if he's not thinking he's a genius, he'll think that if he can get someone fired then he'll have some ammo come performance review time.And besides that, getting a DUI fucks up your life a lot more than getting your name posted to twitter.
Little things like having your license revoked, getting thrown in jail, and spending a bunch of time in court.
Again, unless you work for a retard, your driving into work should tip them off that it wasn't you.As much as society's authority figures would like to think those things are bad, they aren't the end of the world at all.Worst case scenario is your boss says "I see you got a DUI" (as if he's following that twitter account, lol), then you whip out your license and prove him wrong.
Maybe a 30 second inconvenience.I wouldn't do shit to correct the boss.
I'd let him slander me, then sue.Well, I wouldn't, because using the law like that is only a choice for the rich.I'd sit on the groundless allegations, and wait for what is basically an opportunity to blackmail.In closing, fuck you and your guilty until proven innocent attitude.
It's people like you who are an insult to the memories of those who died in the last century protecting principles like innocent until proven guilty.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551292</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550796</id>
	<title>"charged with"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261755600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if they publish names of people that are only *charged*, it needs to be stopped and those responsible put in jail. While it is technically public record, there is no need to broadcast a persons name just due to suspicion and would just end up ruining peoples lives for nothing.</p><p>Now, if they want to publish people *convicted*, and the story just used the wrong term, more power too them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if they publish names of people that are only * charged * , it needs to be stopped and those responsible put in jail .
While it is technically public record , there is no need to broadcast a persons name just due to suspicion and would just end up ruining peoples lives for nothing.Now , if they want to publish people * convicted * , and the story just used the wrong term , more power too them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if they publish names of people that are only *charged*, it needs to be stopped and those responsible put in jail.
While it is technically public record, there is no need to broadcast a persons name just due to suspicion and would just end up ruining peoples lives for nothing.Now, if they want to publish people *convicted*, and the story just used the wrong term, more power too them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30553996</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261759080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So are you suggesting that the police keep the names of those arrested secret?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So are you suggesting that the police keep the names of those arrested secret ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So are you suggesting that the police keep the names of those arrested secret?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549774</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550674</id>
	<title>Re:What? No Due Process?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261753380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So say I did this when I was 18. They put my name online for all to see. I bettered my ways and am now not drinking anything at all. Yet after 40 years when I am looking for a new job, somebody finds that I used to be a drunk driver and decides not to hire me.</p><p>The Internet doesn't forget.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So say I did this when I was 18 .
They put my name online for all to see .
I bettered my ways and am now not drinking anything at all .
Yet after 40 years when I am looking for a new job , somebody finds that I used to be a drunk driver and decides not to hire me.The Internet does n't forget .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So say I did this when I was 18.
They put my name online for all to see.
I bettered my ways and am now not drinking anything at all.
Yet after 40 years when I am looking for a new job, somebody finds that I used to be a drunk driver and decides not to hire me.The Internet doesn't forget.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549998</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30552942</id>
	<title>Just wait until...</title>
	<author>fahrbot-bot</author>
	<datestamp>1261740840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...some cop or judge gets snagged and his/her name either does or does not end up on the Twitter list.  Personally, having one's name on Twitter, for any reason, has got to be worse than the actual crime.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>...some cop or judge gets snagged and his/her name either does or does not end up on the Twitter list .
Personally , having one 's name on Twitter , for any reason , has got to be worse than the actual crime .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...some cop or judge gets snagged and his/her name either does or does not end up on the Twitter list.
Personally, having one's name on Twitter, for any reason, has got to be worse than the actual crime.
:-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549804</id>
	<title>Doubtful</title>
	<author>MindlessAutomata</author>
	<datestamp>1261732920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is one of those, "oh, it sounds good and makes me look tough on crime, therefore, it's a good idea" things.  Not that it's a bad idea, but it's ineffective.  If someone is drunk and things driving is a good idea I kind of doubt they'll be in the state of mind at the time to thing, "oh golly, if I get caught people on Twitter might know!"  Not to mention that most people won't even know this is happening in the first place!</p><p>This really is just some inane idea some bureaucrat thought up because it makes them look tough on crime and HEY LOOK TWITTER ISN'T THAT COOL.  This is just some stunt someone thought up to make it look like they are getting paid for a good reason.  The kind of gimmick that appeals to PHBs in corporate settings.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is one of those , " oh , it sounds good and makes me look tough on crime , therefore , it 's a good idea " things .
Not that it 's a bad idea , but it 's ineffective .
If someone is drunk and things driving is a good idea I kind of doubt they 'll be in the state of mind at the time to thing , " oh golly , if I get caught people on Twitter might know !
" Not to mention that most people wo n't even know this is happening in the first place ! This really is just some inane idea some bureaucrat thought up because it makes them look tough on crime and HEY LOOK TWITTER IS N'T THAT COOL .
This is just some stunt someone thought up to make it look like they are getting paid for a good reason .
The kind of gimmick that appeals to PHBs in corporate settings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is one of those, "oh, it sounds good and makes me look tough on crime, therefore, it's a good idea" things.
Not that it's a bad idea, but it's ineffective.
If someone is drunk and things driving is a good idea I kind of doubt they'll be in the state of mind at the time to thing, "oh golly, if I get caught people on Twitter might know!
"  Not to mention that most people won't even know this is happening in the first place!This really is just some inane idea some bureaucrat thought up because it makes them look tough on crime and HEY LOOK TWITTER ISN'T THAT COOL.
This is just some stunt someone thought up to make it look like they are getting paid for a good reason.
The kind of gimmick that appeals to PHBs in corporate settings.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549902</id>
	<title>Cruel and unusual punishment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261734480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bill of right has called and want their Eighth Amendment on Cruel and <b>unusual</b> punishment back!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bill of right has called and want their Eighth Amendment on Cruel and unusual punishment back !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bill of right has called and want their Eighth Amendment on Cruel and unusual punishment back!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549784</id>
	<title>"Innocent until proven guilty"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261732680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess it's gone out of fashion. Sad.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess it 's gone out of fashion .
Sad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess it's gone out of fashion.
Sad.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30552932</id>
	<title>"Innocent until proven guilty"</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1261740600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><strong>And how will they compensate anyone wrongfully put on that feed for the damage to their reputation? The Court of Public Opinion can be brutal about these things, especially when they work in HR somewhere..</strong></htmltext>
<tokenext>And how will they compensate anyone wrongfully put on that feed for the damage to their reputation ?
The Court of Public Opinion can be brutal about these things , especially when they work in HR somewhere. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And how will they compensate anyone wrongfully put on that feed for the damage to their reputation?
The Court of Public Opinion can be brutal about these things, especially when they work in HR somewhere..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30553688</id>
	<title>Re:What? No Due Process?</title>
	<author>pongo000</author>
	<datestamp>1261753020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>This system is a modern day trail by fire and would offically put Texas back to the dark ages when it comes to the rights of the accused. </i></p><p>The newspapers in Texas routinely publish photos and articles of people who have been charged with crimes, but have yet to see the walls of a courtroom.  This has been going on for years.  The reason they can get away with it is that police arrest reports are public records in Texas.  It certainly makes one think twice before doing anything that might land them in the Metro section of the Dallas Morning News...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This system is a modern day trail by fire and would offically put Texas back to the dark ages when it comes to the rights of the accused .
The newspapers in Texas routinely publish photos and articles of people who have been charged with crimes , but have yet to see the walls of a courtroom .
This has been going on for years .
The reason they can get away with it is that police arrest reports are public records in Texas .
It certainly makes one think twice before doing anything that might land them in the Metro section of the Dallas Morning News.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This system is a modern day trail by fire and would offically put Texas back to the dark ages when it comes to the rights of the accused.
The newspapers in Texas routinely publish photos and articles of people who have been charged with crimes, but have yet to see the walls of a courtroom.
This has been going on for years.
The reason they can get away with it is that police arrest reports are public records in Texas.
It certainly makes one think twice before doing anything that might land them in the Metro section of the Dallas Morning News...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549998</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549774</id>
	<title>Oh.</title>
	<author>Adambomb</author>
	<datestamp>1261732500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And how will they compensate anyone wrongfully put on that feed for the damage to their reputation? The Court of Public Opinion can be brutal about these things, especially when they work in HR somewhere..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And how will they compensate anyone wrongfully put on that feed for the damage to their reputation ?
The Court of Public Opinion can be brutal about these things , especially when they work in HR somewhere. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And how will they compensate anyone wrongfully put on that feed for the damage to their reputation?
The Court of Public Opinion can be brutal about these things, especially when they work in HR somewhere..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550468</id>
	<title>Re:it's just an electronic perp walk</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261748580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look, we've had the internet for a while now and it's time that everybody understands the implications. The internet is not like chit-chat. What is published on the internet does not disappear and is not limited to a local audience. The internet is a searchable archive. A perp walk has limited consequences. "Just" making it an online perp walk fundamentally changes the consequences, not just the medium.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , we 've had the internet for a while now and it 's time that everybody understands the implications .
The internet is not like chit-chat .
What is published on the internet does not disappear and is not limited to a local audience .
The internet is a searchable archive .
A perp walk has limited consequences .
" Just " making it an online perp walk fundamentally changes the consequences , not just the medium .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, we've had the internet for a while now and it's time that everybody understands the implications.
The internet is not like chit-chat.
What is published on the internet does not disappear and is not limited to a local audience.
The internet is a searchable archive.
A perp walk has limited consequences.
"Just" making it an online perp walk fundamentally changes the consequences, not just the medium.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549910</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549878</id>
	<title>Just one question...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261734120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Can a person be charged with drunk driving if they actually haven't had anything to drink?  If not, then I have no problems with this action by the county.
</p><p>
I've got approximately zero sympathy for people who drive while under the influence of alcohol, whether or not they happen to be within the "legal limit".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can a person be charged with drunk driving if they actually have n't had anything to drink ?
If not , then I have no problems with this action by the county .
I 've got approximately zero sympathy for people who drive while under the influence of alcohol , whether or not they happen to be within the " legal limit " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Can a person be charged with drunk driving if they actually haven't had anything to drink?
If not, then I have no problems with this action by the county.
I've got approximately zero sympathy for people who drive while under the influence of alcohol, whether or not they happen to be within the "legal limit".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550146</id>
	<title>this is already happening</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261741260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://twitter.com/multnocoarrests</p><p>portland oregon arrest log, most jails have public data on inmates, very easy to scrape</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //twitter.com/multnocoarrestsportland oregon arrest log , most jails have public data on inmates , very easy to scrape</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://twitter.com/multnocoarrestsportland oregon arrest log, most jails have public data on inmates, very easy to scrape</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551220</id>
	<title>And the sick vigilante "justice" continues</title>
	<author>Snaller</author>
	<datestamp>1261761660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>as the nation falls...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>as the nation falls.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as the nation falls...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30552492</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261734540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is if the boss actually trusts you.  In my experience as a consultant who has walked from jobs as being the RIF bitch, if a boss doesn't like an employee, they will go in at night, ask the sysadmin to disable the accounts of the employee.</p><p>Come morning, the employee finds their badge doesn't work, and a security guard giving them a warning of criminal trespass.  The employee doesn't even get a box at the front desk; it is mailed to them.</p><p>Nowhere does the employee even get a chance at explaining the mixup.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is if the boss actually trusts you .
In my experience as a consultant who has walked from jobs as being the RIF bitch , if a boss does n't like an employee , they will go in at night , ask the sysadmin to disable the accounts of the employee.Come morning , the employee finds their badge does n't work , and a security guard giving them a warning of criminal trespass .
The employee does n't even get a box at the front desk ; it is mailed to them.Nowhere does the employee even get a chance at explaining the mixup .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is if the boss actually trusts you.
In my experience as a consultant who has walked from jobs as being the RIF bitch, if a boss doesn't like an employee, they will go in at night, ask the sysadmin to disable the accounts of the employee.Come morning, the employee finds their badge doesn't work, and a security guard giving them a warning of criminal trespass.
The employee doesn't even get a box at the front desk; it is mailed to them.Nowhere does the employee even get a chance at explaining the mixup.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551292</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549854</id>
	<title>COPS TV show features drunk drivers</title>
	<author>lena\_10326</author>
	<datestamp>1261733640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But the difference is, they blur the faces of those who haven't been found guilty (yet). They are also a news organization with no legal power, but this is a police (military) organization. These police are assuming guilt for anyone merely charged, so I suppose it's natural for them to also apply punishment.</p><p>A few years in the future when the police will be scouring the streets performing judgments and executions on the spot, I'm afraid it will be too late for anyone to do anything about our lost rights. By then the court system will be a rarely used dusty relic of the past.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But the difference is , they blur the faces of those who have n't been found guilty ( yet ) .
They are also a news organization with no legal power , but this is a police ( military ) organization .
These police are assuming guilt for anyone merely charged , so I suppose it 's natural for them to also apply punishment.A few years in the future when the police will be scouring the streets performing judgments and executions on the spot , I 'm afraid it will be too late for anyone to do anything about our lost rights .
By then the court system will be a rarely used dusty relic of the past .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the difference is, they blur the faces of those who haven't been found guilty (yet).
They are also a news organization with no legal power, but this is a police (military) organization.
These police are assuming guilt for anyone merely charged, so I suppose it's natural for them to also apply punishment.A few years in the future when the police will be scouring the streets performing judgments and executions on the spot, I'm afraid it will be too late for anyone to do anything about our lost rights.
By then the court system will be a rarely used dusty relic of the past.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550644</id>
	<title>Re:things have changed re drunk driving.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261752660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My grandfather used to tell me about how in France it used to be that if you got into a crash, you could use being drunk as an excuse. You,  "Well, um, I just got out of the bar and must have been a little tipsy didn't really see that car coming." Office, "Ah, those things happen." The officer would actual write that down as if it excused the whole thing, maybe tell you that you shouldn't drink so much before driving but as along  as no one was seriously injured it didn't affect your driving status more then a normal accident. Even if you mowed down a pedestrian it was unlikely that you would face jail time for it. After all you were drunk, so obviously you would not be doing your best driving.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My grandfather used to tell me about how in France it used to be that if you got into a crash , you could use being drunk as an excuse .
You , " Well , um , I just got out of the bar and must have been a little tipsy did n't really see that car coming .
" Office , " Ah , those things happen .
" The officer would actual write that down as if it excused the whole thing , maybe tell you that you should n't drink so much before driving but as along as no one was seriously injured it did n't affect your driving status more then a normal accident .
Even if you mowed down a pedestrian it was unlikely that you would face jail time for it .
After all you were drunk , so obviously you would not be doing your best driving .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My grandfather used to tell me about how in France it used to be that if you got into a crash, you could use being drunk as an excuse.
You,  "Well, um, I just got out of the bar and must have been a little tipsy didn't really see that car coming.
" Office, "Ah, those things happen.
" The officer would actual write that down as if it excused the whole thing, maybe tell you that you shouldn't drink so much before driving but as along  as no one was seriously injured it didn't affect your driving status more then a normal accident.
Even if you mowed down a pedestrian it was unlikely that you would face jail time for it.
After all you were drunk, so obviously you would not be doing your best driving.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550182</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550726</id>
	<title>Futile</title>
	<author>volt4ire</author>
	<datestamp>1261754340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This won't work. It's ineffective at best and a privacy invasion at worst. Drunk driving is not a premeditated crime. It's the result of being in a state that prevents you from waying the consequences of ones actions, therefore increasing the penalties is relatively futile.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This wo n't work .
It 's ineffective at best and a privacy invasion at worst .
Drunk driving is not a premeditated crime .
It 's the result of being in a state that prevents you from waying the consequences of ones actions , therefore increasing the penalties is relatively futile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This won't work.
It's ineffective at best and a privacy invasion at worst.
Drunk driving is not a premeditated crime.
It's the result of being in a state that prevents you from waying the consequences of ones actions, therefore increasing the penalties is relatively futile.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550258</id>
	<title>It's a lawyer, lawman alliance extraveganza . . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261744080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>. . .  and nobody is assinged to watch.</p><p>One man . . . one precedent. . . less rights. Let's see how far this man will go, to rape the United<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...States...Constitution, in the name of drunk drivers (the popular excuse for totalitarian surveillence and "dragnet" police state measuers these days I guess)!</p><p>This Christmas: "Fuck You!" clearly being communcated by your Federal Government, and all of those semi-recently Bush/Obama era "private sector" despots, too. (Back atcha.)</p><p>It's Nazi Germany like you've never seen it before! It's modern! It's hip! It's control like we've never seen ladies and gentlemen! it slices, it dices, it starves the third world, and hikes prices.</p><p>For a limited time only, Constitutional Rights! Void upon futher legislation by a despotic authoritarian regime that can only resort to propaganda and intimidation in order to argue it's absolutely insane ideologies, which belong in the manner of pyschological study, not that of the psychologist.</p><p>Now back to your regularly scheduled "degeneracy".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.
. .
and nobody is assinged to watch.One man .
. .
one precedent .
. .
less rights .
Let 's see how far this man will go , to rape the United ...States...Constitution , in the name of drunk drivers ( the popular excuse for totalitarian surveillence and " dragnet " police state measuers these days I guess ) ! This Christmas : " Fuck You !
" clearly being communcated by your Federal Government , and all of those semi-recently Bush/Obama era " private sector " despots , too .
( Back atcha .
) It 's Nazi Germany like you 've never seen it before !
It 's modern !
It 's hip !
It 's control like we 've never seen ladies and gentlemen !
it slices , it dices , it starves the third world , and hikes prices.For a limited time only , Constitutional Rights !
Void upon futher legislation by a despotic authoritarian regime that can only resort to propaganda and intimidation in order to argue it 's absolutely insane ideologies , which belong in the manner of pyschological study , not that of the psychologist.Now back to your regularly scheduled " degeneracy " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.
. .
and nobody is assinged to watch.One man .
. .
one precedent.
. .
less rights.
Let's see how far this man will go, to rape the United ...States...Constitution, in the name of drunk drivers (the popular excuse for totalitarian surveillence and "dragnet" police state measuers these days I guess)!This Christmas: "Fuck You!
" clearly being communcated by your Federal Government, and all of those semi-recently Bush/Obama era "private sector" despots, too.
(Back atcha.
)It's Nazi Germany like you've never seen it before!
It's modern!
It's hip!
It's control like we've never seen ladies and gentlemen!
it slices, it dices, it starves the third world, and hikes prices.For a limited time only, Constitutional Rights!
Void upon futher legislation by a despotic authoritarian regime that can only resort to propaganda and intimidation in order to argue it's absolutely insane ideologies, which belong in the manner of pyschological study, not that of the psychologist.Now back to your regularly scheduled "degeneracy".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551056</id>
	<title>Re:What? No Due Process?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261759680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're charged with a crime it is part of the public record.  If they are simply saying these people have been charged what is the problem?  Public record is open to everyone, every charge, conviction, exoneration, etc.  are all free game as long as you say they've been Charged and not that they've been Convicted.  If you don't want people to know you've been charged with drunk driving...  then don't drink and drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're charged with a crime it is part of the public record .
If they are simply saying these people have been charged what is the problem ?
Public record is open to everyone , every charge , conviction , exoneration , etc .
are all free game as long as you say they 've been Charged and not that they 've been Convicted .
If you do n't want people to know you 've been charged with drunk driving... then do n't drink and drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're charged with a crime it is part of the public record.
If they are simply saying these people have been charged what is the problem?
Public record is open to everyone, every charge, conviction, exoneration, etc.
are all free game as long as you say they've been Charged and not that they've been Convicted.
If you don't want people to know you've been charged with drunk driving...  then don't drink and drive.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549790</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549812</id>
	<title>Huh...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261732980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will this evolve into a DUI Offender Registry?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will this evolve into a DUI Offender Registry ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will this evolve into a DUI Offender Registry?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550084</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>TubeSteak</author>
	<datestamp>1261739220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Fact is, this publishing of names like this is a form of punishment for the crime.</p><p>Fact is, the Constitutions of the United States AND the Constitution of Texas both say you cannot be deprived of privileges or property without due process. Due process means a conviction/guilty plea in a court of law.</p><p>Fact is, people beat DUI charges all the time. They hire good lawyers at their own expense that know how to work the system. Those people are never found guilty of the crime, yet this twitter feed essentially punishes the innocent as determined by a court of law. It's unconstitutional, but it will cost time and money to fight this criminal act on the part of the police department.</p></div><p>Fact is, the list of those arrested and the charges against them are published daily.<br>Public records are not a punishment and are not unconstitutional.<br>Feel free to go down to your local police/sherrif's station and ask to look at the blotter.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fact is , this publishing of names like this is a form of punishment for the crime.Fact is , the Constitutions of the United States AND the Constitution of Texas both say you can not be deprived of privileges or property without due process .
Due process means a conviction/guilty plea in a court of law.Fact is , people beat DUI charges all the time .
They hire good lawyers at their own expense that know how to work the system .
Those people are never found guilty of the crime , yet this twitter feed essentially punishes the innocent as determined by a court of law .
It 's unconstitutional , but it will cost time and money to fight this criminal act on the part of the police department.Fact is , the list of those arrested and the charges against them are published daily.Public records are not a punishment and are not unconstitutional.Feel free to go down to your local police/sherrif 's station and ask to look at the blotter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fact is, this publishing of names like this is a form of punishment for the crime.Fact is, the Constitutions of the United States AND the Constitution of Texas both say you cannot be deprived of privileges or property without due process.
Due process means a conviction/guilty plea in a court of law.Fact is, people beat DUI charges all the time.
They hire good lawyers at their own expense that know how to work the system.
Those people are never found guilty of the crime, yet this twitter feed essentially punishes the innocent as determined by a court of law.
It's unconstitutional, but it will cost time and money to fight this criminal act on the part of the police department.Fact is, the list of those arrested and the charges against them are published daily.Public records are not a punishment and are not unconstitutional.Feel free to go down to your local police/sherrif's station and ask to look at the blotter.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549884</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550400</id>
	<title>Re:What? No Due Process?</title>
	<author>Felix Da Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1261747080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>However, your characterization of drunk drivers is just wrong. They ARE incredibly dangerous. They ARE reckless, and while they may not intentionally be seeking out people to mow down, they are showing a tremendous disregard for those same people.</p></div><p>As is the 80 year old whose children don't have the nerve to take his license away.  As is the car full of teens joking around and wrestling with each other. As is the soccer mom making 'play-date' plans for her kid on her cell phone.</p><p>However of those, at least around D.C., only the drunk driver has a specific set of laws that may well ruin their life, <i>even if they never cause any harm</i>.  If they do cause harm, the punishment is considerably worse than for anyone else.</p><p>Drunk Driving laws are a prophylactic and perverted form of justice.  They punish on the theory that you may hurt someone in the future.  Should we accept laws saying 'Because you own a gun, you are probably going to be a murderer'?</p><p>Reckless endangerment of life is that always, regardless of if one is drunk, old, young, or scatter-brained.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>However , your characterization of drunk drivers is just wrong .
They ARE incredibly dangerous .
They ARE reckless , and while they may not intentionally be seeking out people to mow down , they are showing a tremendous disregard for those same people.As is the 80 year old whose children do n't have the nerve to take his license away .
As is the car full of teens joking around and wrestling with each other .
As is the soccer mom making 'play-date ' plans for her kid on her cell phone.However of those , at least around D.C. , only the drunk driver has a specific set of laws that may well ruin their life , even if they never cause any harm .
If they do cause harm , the punishment is considerably worse than for anyone else.Drunk Driving laws are a prophylactic and perverted form of justice .
They punish on the theory that you may hurt someone in the future .
Should we accept laws saying 'Because you own a gun , you are probably going to be a murderer ' ? Reckless endangerment of life is that always , regardless of if one is drunk , old , young , or scatter-brained .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However, your characterization of drunk drivers is just wrong.
They ARE incredibly dangerous.
They ARE reckless, and while they may not intentionally be seeking out people to mow down, they are showing a tremendous disregard for those same people.As is the 80 year old whose children don't have the nerve to take his license away.
As is the car full of teens joking around and wrestling with each other.
As is the soccer mom making 'play-date' plans for her kid on her cell phone.However of those, at least around D.C., only the drunk driver has a specific set of laws that may well ruin their life, even if they never cause any harm.
If they do cause harm, the punishment is considerably worse than for anyone else.Drunk Driving laws are a prophylactic and perverted form of justice.
They punish on the theory that you may hurt someone in the future.
Should we accept laws saying 'Because you own a gun, you are probably going to be a murderer'?Reckless endangerment of life is that always, regardless of if one is drunk, old, young, or scatter-brained.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549864</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550910</id>
	<title>Re:things have changed re drunk driving.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261757100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I do not drink and drive any more, as I can see the logic of not, buts it mainly to avoid fines and job risk."</p><p>DUI kills thousands of people every year (about 10K in the US in 2008). This is down 44 percent from  1982.<br>Both casual drinkers and some drunks understand punishment, it work, so I favor more of it.</p><p>My generation drank and drove, but now the same folks party at their homes and have places for their guests to crash until they are sober.</p><p><a href="http://www.totaldui.com/blog/dui-fatality-rate-has-fallen/" title="totaldui.com">http://www.totaldui.com/blog/dui-fatality-rate-has-fallen/</a> [totaldui.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I do not drink and drive any more , as I can see the logic of not , buts it mainly to avoid fines and job risk .
" DUI kills thousands of people every year ( about 10K in the US in 2008 ) .
This is down 44 percent from 1982.Both casual drinkers and some drunks understand punishment , it work , so I favor more of it.My generation drank and drove , but now the same folks party at their homes and have places for their guests to crash until they are sober.http : //www.totaldui.com/blog/dui-fatality-rate-has-fallen/ [ totaldui.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I do not drink and drive any more, as I can see the logic of not, buts it mainly to avoid fines and job risk.
"DUI kills thousands of people every year (about 10K in the US in 2008).
This is down 44 percent from  1982.Both casual drinkers and some drunks understand punishment, it work, so I favor more of it.My generation drank and drove, but now the same folks party at their homes and have places for their guests to crash until they are sober.http://www.totaldui.com/blog/dui-fatality-rate-has-fallen/ [totaldui.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550182</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30554266</id>
	<title>Re:Contempt for human life?</title>
	<author>The Wild Norseman</author>
	<datestamp>1261765200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I do get on my bicycle after partying, though.</p></div><p>
In Washington state, you can still catch a DUI charge even on your bicycle.  Other states may vary, of course.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do get on my bicycle after partying , though .
In Washington state , you can still catch a DUI charge even on your bicycle .
Other states may vary , of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do get on my bicycle after partying, though.
In Washington state, you can still catch a DUI charge even on your bicycle.
Other states may vary, of course.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550928</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549900</id>
	<title>What about personal data protection?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261734480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Holy crapsmokes - where's the data protection laws here? I find it very irritating that this should be allowed.<br>Ah, right<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... you live in the USA, not good ol' Europe<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Holy crapsmokes - where 's the data protection laws here ?
I find it very irritating that this should be allowed.Ah , right ... you live in the USA , not good ol ' Europe ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Holy crapsmokes - where's the data protection laws here?
I find it very irritating that this should be allowed.Ah, right ... you live in the USA, not good ol' Europe ;)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550686</id>
	<title>Denton twitters every single arrest pic</title>
	<author>netsavior</author>
	<datestamp>1261753620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another Texas town, Denton, <a href="http://twitter.com/dentonpolice" title="twitter.com">twitters every single arrest</a> [twitter.com] and has for months(maybe a year)... For at least 7 years (that I know of) they have posted every pic of every arrest on their website, with detailed charges too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another Texas town , Denton , twitters every single arrest [ twitter.com ] and has for months ( maybe a year ) ... For at least 7 years ( that I know of ) they have posted every pic of every arrest on their website , with detailed charges too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another Texas town, Denton, twitters every single arrest [twitter.com] and has for months(maybe a year)... For at least 7 years (that I know of) they have posted every pic of every arrest on their website, with detailed charges too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551930</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>Arcady13</author>
	<datestamp>1261770000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe she should start drinking.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe she should start drinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe she should start drinking.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551096</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30553028</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>cboscari</author>
	<datestamp>1261742280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So she didn't get a blood test or breath test back at the station? I mean, a field sobriety test is just that, a FIELD test. You can ask for another alternative test, which is more accurate. In fact a conviction pretty much requires it. So what gives?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So she did n't get a blood test or breath test back at the station ?
I mean , a field sobriety test is just that , a FIELD test .
You can ask for another alternative test , which is more accurate .
In fact a conviction pretty much requires it .
So what gives ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So she didn't get a blood test or breath test back at the station?
I mean, a field sobriety test is just that, a FIELD test.
You can ask for another alternative test, which is more accurate.
In fact a conviction pretty much requires it.
So what gives?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551096</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550004</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>Jesus\_666</author>
	<datestamp>1261737060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, that's the potential offenders' own fault. They really shouldn't have been suspicious in Texas.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , that 's the potential offenders ' own fault .
They really should n't have been suspicious in Texas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, that's the potential offenders' own fault.
They really shouldn't have been suspicious in Texas.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549774</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550912</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1261757100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Unless you're a minor, the fact of your arrest and the charges surrounding it are part of a public record that gets published daily.</p></div></blockquote><p>In my community the police blotter isn't published daily, but the local paper does print selected excerpts.)  In fact, it appears, from your own link, that any portion of the blotter being published [by the police] is scarce.  If they are published, it's excerpts by the local media.  (My local paper doesn't print names in their blotter excerpts, only in full stories.)  Or, in other words, "public record" != "published".<br>
&nbsp; <br>Another thing to consider is that a blotter is a formal legal record, a Twitter post isn't.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless you 're a minor , the fact of your arrest and the charges surrounding it are part of a public record that gets published daily.In my community the police blotter is n't published daily , but the local paper does print selected excerpts .
) In fact , it appears , from your own link , that any portion of the blotter being published [ by the police ] is scarce .
If they are published , it 's excerpts by the local media .
( My local paper does n't print names in their blotter excerpts , only in full stories .
) Or , in other words , " public record " ! = " published " .
  Another thing to consider is that a blotter is a formal legal record , a Twitter post is n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless you're a minor, the fact of your arrest and the charges surrounding it are part of a public record that gets published daily.In my community the police blotter isn't published daily, but the local paper does print selected excerpts.
)  In fact, it appears, from your own link, that any portion of the blotter being published [by the police] is scarce.
If they are published, it's excerpts by the local media.
(My local paper doesn't print names in their blotter excerpts, only in full stories.
)  Or, in other words, "public record" != "published".
  Another thing to consider is that a blotter is a formal legal record, a Twitter post isn't.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550064</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549830</id>
	<title>Re:What? No Due Process?</title>
	<author>Acid-Duck</author>
	<datestamp>1261733340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When someone is charged with a DUI, there really isn't any questions about if they were drunk or not.  If they get away with an innocent verdict, it just means they know how to work the system (or, I guess every so often, someone might be victim of a faulty machine however these are calibrated/tested before every use).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When someone is charged with a DUI , there really is n't any questions about if they were drunk or not .
If they get away with an innocent verdict , it just means they know how to work the system ( or , I guess every so often , someone might be victim of a faulty machine however these are calibrated/tested before every use ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When someone is charged with a DUI, there really isn't any questions about if they were drunk or not.
If they get away with an innocent verdict, it just means they know how to work the system (or, I guess every so often, someone might be victim of a faulty machine however these are calibrated/tested before every use).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549790</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551592</id>
	<title>Re:it's just an electronic perp walk</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261765740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>... haven't yet pushed us into a morality police state.</i> </p><p>What are you not smoking?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... have n't yet pushed us into a morality police state .
What are you not smoking ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... haven't yet pushed us into a morality police state.
What are you not smoking?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549910</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551136</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1261760820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even worse is when you have a very unique sounding name, but there's another "you" who ends up doing something bad.  People think that you *have* to be that person because the name's "unique"!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even worse is when you have a very unique sounding name , but there 's another " you " who ends up doing something bad .
People think that you * have * to be that person because the name 's " unique " !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even worse is when you have a very unique sounding name, but there's another "you" who ends up doing something bad.
People think that you *have* to be that person because the name's "unique"!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550044</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549866</id>
	<title>The Denton Texas Police Department Already does</title>
	<author>mark076h</author>
	<datestamp>1261733820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Denton Texas Police Department already does this, you can follow them on twitter here <a href="http://twitter.com/DentonPolicE" title="twitter.com" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/DentonPolicE</a> [twitter.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Denton Texas Police Department already does this , you can follow them on twitter here http : //twitter.com/DentonPolicE [ twitter.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Denton Texas Police Department already does this, you can follow them on twitter here http://twitter.com/DentonPolicE [twitter.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30552680</id>
	<title>"Privacy" issue</title>
	<author>ohtani</author>
	<datestamp>1261736640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uhhh correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this kinda information already available on either the blotter or otherwise? If it's available for public consumption you can't call "invasion of privacy" on this cause then there WOULD be no invasion of privacy! And seriously, come on:</p><p>- I think the police have better things to do than claim somebody was drunk driving when they weren't. I'm sure there's false positives, but I'm pretty sure technology is down to a tee by now<br>- If you REALLY think they're out to get people and fake this, well, I'm sure you'd think there's a studio NASA used to fake the moon landing too<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)<br>- Do you think people who drive drunk really DESERVE respect?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uhhh correct me if I 'm wrong but is n't this kinda information already available on either the blotter or otherwise ?
If it 's available for public consumption you ca n't call " invasion of privacy " on this cause then there WOULD be no invasion of privacy !
And seriously , come on : - I think the police have better things to do than claim somebody was drunk driving when they were n't .
I 'm sure there 's false positives , but I 'm pretty sure technology is down to a tee by now- If you REALLY think they 're out to get people and fake this , well , I 'm sure you 'd think there 's a studio NASA used to fake the moon landing too ; ) - Do you think people who drive drunk really DESERVE respect ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uhhh correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this kinda information already available on either the blotter or otherwise?
If it's available for public consumption you can't call "invasion of privacy" on this cause then there WOULD be no invasion of privacy!
And seriously, come on:- I think the police have better things to do than claim somebody was drunk driving when they weren't.
I'm sure there's false positives, but I'm pretty sure technology is down to a tee by now- If you REALLY think they're out to get people and fake this, well, I'm sure you'd think there's a studio NASA used to fake the moon landing too ;)- Do you think people who drive drunk really DESERVE respect?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550596</id>
	<title>Re:First!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261751520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Their called Christians...</p><p>They love to hold everyone else to a higher standard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Their called Christians...They love to hold everyone else to a higher standard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Their called Christians...They love to hold everyone else to a higher standard.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549940</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551112</id>
	<title>Charged?</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1261760460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not Convicted?  Are they going to Tweet and Text the names of people found innocent of the charge, or is this an attempt to subvert the law and incite vigilante justice?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not Convicted ?
Are they going to Tweet and Text the names of people found innocent of the charge , or is this an attempt to subvert the law and incite vigilante justice ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not Convicted?
Are they going to Tweet and Text the names of people found innocent of the charge, or is this an attempt to subvert the law and incite vigilante justice?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549856</id>
	<title>Good idea</title>
	<author>91degrees</author>
	<datestamp>1261733700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because we all check twitter feeds containing nothing but hundreds of random names on the off-chance that someone we know has been drink driving.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because we all check twitter feeds containing nothing but hundreds of random names on the off-chance that someone we know has been drink driving .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because we all check twitter feeds containing nothing but hundreds of random names on the off-chance that someone we know has been drink driving.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550246</id>
	<title>But they'll still fine you right? :P</title>
	<author>Jackie\_Chan\_Fan</author>
	<datestamp>1261743840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Twitter? Come on. This is just some idiot thinking hes doing something special, when in fact hes not. This is just dumb.</p><p>The fine is enough to discourage people.</p><p>No one cares if they're name goes on twitter for being a drunk. If anything it probably shows they had a good time and go laid, or that they're depressed and lonely. Perhaps that will help them get laid more.</p><p>It will be the twitter list for people you want to party with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Twitter ?
Come on .
This is just some idiot thinking hes doing something special , when in fact hes not .
This is just dumb.The fine is enough to discourage people.No one cares if they 're name goes on twitter for being a drunk .
If anything it probably shows they had a good time and go laid , or that they 're depressed and lonely .
Perhaps that will help them get laid more.It will be the twitter list for people you want to party with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Twitter?
Come on.
This is just some idiot thinking hes doing something special, when in fact hes not.
This is just dumb.The fine is enough to discourage people.No one cares if they're name goes on twitter for being a drunk.
If anything it probably shows they had a good time and go laid, or that they're depressed and lonely.
Perhaps that will help them get laid more.It will be the twitter list for people you want to party with.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551336</id>
	<title>Re:What? No Due Process?</title>
	<author>mishehu</author>
	<datestamp>1261762860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>More important is the fact that you can actually be charged with a DUI in Texas even if your blood alcohol content is below the legal limit.  I remember reading a case about a year ago about a woman who had not a single drink get charged for DUI.  I wish I remembered where I read about that, as I'm curious to know what happened to the woman and her case.</htmltext>
<tokenext>More important is the fact that you can actually be charged with a DUI in Texas even if your blood alcohol content is below the legal limit .
I remember reading a case about a year ago about a woman who had not a single drink get charged for DUI .
I wish I remembered where I read about that , as I 'm curious to know what happened to the woman and her case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More important is the fact that you can actually be charged with a DUI in Texas even if your blood alcohol content is below the legal limit.
I remember reading a case about a year ago about a woman who had not a single drink get charged for DUI.
I wish I remembered where I read about that, as I'm curious to know what happened to the woman and her case.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549790</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549946</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261735620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And how will they compensate anyone wrongfully put on that feed for the damage to their reputation? The Court of Public Opinion can be brutal about these things, especially when they work in HR somewhere..</p></div><p>They typically ignore their own mistakes and make others pay for them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And how will they compensate anyone wrongfully put on that feed for the damage to their reputation ?
The Court of Public Opinion can be brutal about these things , especially when they work in HR somewhere..They typically ignore their own mistakes and make others pay for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And how will they compensate anyone wrongfully put on that feed for the damage to their reputation?
The Court of Public Opinion can be brutal about these things, especially when they work in HR somewhere..They typically ignore their own mistakes and make others pay for them.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549774</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30552598</id>
	<title>Re:"charged with"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261735680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With the exception being that Twitter is on the Internet and is world-wide accessible, this isn't any different than people being "tried in the media" when it is mentioned they were arrested and charged with (whatever) before they've even had their day in court. Except for the news can go even deeper that just mentioning a name and charges, sometimes using investigative reporting to do an entire psych profile or whatever, and certainingly biasing any potential jury pool before they even get summoned for jury duty, if the case is high profile enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the exception being that Twitter is on the Internet and is world-wide accessible , this is n't any different than people being " tried in the media " when it is mentioned they were arrested and charged with ( whatever ) before they 've even had their day in court .
Except for the news can go even deeper that just mentioning a name and charges , sometimes using investigative reporting to do an entire psych profile or whatever , and certainingly biasing any potential jury pool before they even get summoned for jury duty , if the case is high profile enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the exception being that Twitter is on the Internet and is world-wide accessible, this isn't any different than people being "tried in the media" when it is mentioned they were arrested and charged with (whatever) before they've even had their day in court.
Except for the news can go even deeper that just mentioning a name and charges, sometimes using investigative reporting to do an entire psych profile or whatever, and certainingly biasing any potential jury pool before they even get summoned for jury duty, if the case is high profile enough.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550796</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30552560</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>Lord Kano</author>
	<datestamp>1261735260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>In a community of six million people, how many people do you think share the same name? I can just imagine someone in my community reading my name on this Twitter page and thinking it was me rather than one of the three other people I know about with the same name. What a mess.</i></p><p>I live in the Greater Pittsburgh area. There are much fewer than 6 million people here. Other than my father, there is at least one other person who shares my exact same first and last names. This guy is, unfortunately, a piss-poor criminal. He has been arrested for numerous petty crimes over the course of the past 16 or so years. He lives less than 5 miles from me. He's also exactly 10 years older than me, so when he get arrested for something it looks like it was me, but there was a typo in regards to the age. The last time he was in the paper, he was 41 and I was 31. He was living in a municipality that bordered the one that I lived in.</p><p>As bad as all of that is, I still think it's a bad idea to publish people's names who have just been charged. They should only be able to put you up before public scrutiny when you've been convicted. This has too much potential for abuse.</p><p>LK</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a community of six million people , how many people do you think share the same name ?
I can just imagine someone in my community reading my name on this Twitter page and thinking it was me rather than one of the three other people I know about with the same name .
What a mess.I live in the Greater Pittsburgh area .
There are much fewer than 6 million people here .
Other than my father , there is at least one other person who shares my exact same first and last names .
This guy is , unfortunately , a piss-poor criminal .
He has been arrested for numerous petty crimes over the course of the past 16 or so years .
He lives less than 5 miles from me .
He 's also exactly 10 years older than me , so when he get arrested for something it looks like it was me , but there was a typo in regards to the age .
The last time he was in the paper , he was 41 and I was 31 .
He was living in a municipality that bordered the one that I lived in.As bad as all of that is , I still think it 's a bad idea to publish people 's names who have just been charged .
They should only be able to put you up before public scrutiny when you 've been convicted .
This has too much potential for abuse.LK</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a community of six million people, how many people do you think share the same name?
I can just imagine someone in my community reading my name on this Twitter page and thinking it was me rather than one of the three other people I know about with the same name.
What a mess.I live in the Greater Pittsburgh area.
There are much fewer than 6 million people here.
Other than my father, there is at least one other person who shares my exact same first and last names.
This guy is, unfortunately, a piss-poor criminal.
He has been arrested for numerous petty crimes over the course of the past 16 or so years.
He lives less than 5 miles from me.
He's also exactly 10 years older than me, so when he get arrested for something it looks like it was me, but there was a typo in regards to the age.
The last time he was in the paper, he was 41 and I was 31.
He was living in a municipality that bordered the one that I lived in.As bad as all of that is, I still think it's a bad idea to publish people's names who have just been charged.
They should only be able to put you up before public scrutiny when you've been convicted.
This has too much potential for abuse.LK</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550044</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30552424</id>
	<title>flood twitter?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261733880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Has anyone else contemplated the idea of creating dedicated twitter accounts to replicate this feed of information, but instead of tweeting based on events of drivers being CHARGED for dui, just tweet random names periodically?  This should dilute the information and make it less likely to be a burden on anyone's reputation due to the plentiful of misinformation created by the masses to counteract Texas County's actions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Has anyone else contemplated the idea of creating dedicated twitter accounts to replicate this feed of information , but instead of tweeting based on events of drivers being CHARGED for dui , just tweet random names periodically ?
This should dilute the information and make it less likely to be a burden on anyone 's reputation due to the plentiful of misinformation created by the masses to counteract Texas County 's actions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has anyone else contemplated the idea of creating dedicated twitter accounts to replicate this feed of information, but instead of tweeting based on events of drivers being CHARGED for dui, just tweet random names periodically?
This should dilute the information and make it less likely to be a burden on anyone's reputation due to the plentiful of misinformation created by the masses to counteract Texas County's actions.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30552798</id>
	<title>Re:What? No Due Process?</title>
	<author>wayland</author>
	<datestamp>1261738140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>Amusing that he mentions "dink and drive", because "dink" is Australian slang for having a second person riding a bicycle (ie. sitting on the handlebars).<br><br>In addition to the "If you drink, then drive, you're a bloody idiot" campaign, there was also a "Don't fool yourself; speed kills" campaign.&nbsp; I once saw a sticker that said "Don't fool yourself, you're a bloody idiot".&nbsp; </tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amusing that he mentions " dink and drive " , because " dink " is Australian slang for having a second person riding a bicycle ( ie .
sitting on the handlebars ) .In addition to the " If you drink , then drive , you 're a bloody idiot " campaign , there was also a " Do n't fool yourself ; speed kills " campaign.   I once saw a sticker that said " Do n't fool yourself , you 're a bloody idiot " .  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amusing that he mentions "dink and drive", because "dink" is Australian slang for having a second person riding a bicycle (ie.
sitting on the handlebars).In addition to the "If you drink, then drive, you're a bloody idiot" campaign, there was also a "Don't fool yourself; speed kills" campaign.  I once saw a sticker that said "Don't fool yourself, you're a bloody idiot".  </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549998</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550348</id>
	<title>the problem is the public's attitude</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261745940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is an essential part of the justice process that arrest records are public, to prevent secret detentions, etc. This has already been discussed by other posters, and is why such records are already public, just not accessible in such a convenient manner. A group of private individuals could easily republish such records.</p><p>Now, it is clear that the police should not be doing what is being described here, but the reason is that shaming is not part of the job description of the police. The reason is not that arrest records should be kept secret.</p><p>The more fundamental problem here, if any, is a misunderstanding of the law by those reading that twitter feed. A list of charges should be interpreted as nothing more than a list of charges - it is not a list of guilty people, and even if it were, it is not a list of people to be abused. Any employer refusing to give you a job on the basis of being on a list of charged people, unless <i> perhaps </i> they had determined that you were still moving through the legal process and your job involves driving, would have been a very dangerous employer to work for. Before you give me the argument that you need a roof over your head more than you need a fair and just employer, the only reason for the power imbalance is so many people like you fearing the loss of little comfort.</p><p>Note that it has not yet been proven that the public in general think a charged person is a convicted person. This sort of thing needs to be studied scientifically, as a basis for educating where necessary to disabuse the people of serious misconceptions about the legal process.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is an essential part of the justice process that arrest records are public , to prevent secret detentions , etc .
This has already been discussed by other posters , and is why such records are already public , just not accessible in such a convenient manner .
A group of private individuals could easily republish such records.Now , it is clear that the police should not be doing what is being described here , but the reason is that shaming is not part of the job description of the police .
The reason is not that arrest records should be kept secret.The more fundamental problem here , if any , is a misunderstanding of the law by those reading that twitter feed .
A list of charges should be interpreted as nothing more than a list of charges - it is not a list of guilty people , and even if it were , it is not a list of people to be abused .
Any employer refusing to give you a job on the basis of being on a list of charged people , unless perhaps they had determined that you were still moving through the legal process and your job involves driving , would have been a very dangerous employer to work for .
Before you give me the argument that you need a roof over your head more than you need a fair and just employer , the only reason for the power imbalance is so many people like you fearing the loss of little comfort.Note that it has not yet been proven that the public in general think a charged person is a convicted person .
This sort of thing needs to be studied scientifically , as a basis for educating where necessary to disabuse the people of serious misconceptions about the legal process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is an essential part of the justice process that arrest records are public, to prevent secret detentions, etc.
This has already been discussed by other posters, and is why such records are already public, just not accessible in such a convenient manner.
A group of private individuals could easily republish such records.Now, it is clear that the police should not be doing what is being described here, but the reason is that shaming is not part of the job description of the police.
The reason is not that arrest records should be kept secret.The more fundamental problem here, if any, is a misunderstanding of the law by those reading that twitter feed.
A list of charges should be interpreted as nothing more than a list of charges - it is not a list of guilty people, and even if it were, it is not a list of people to be abused.
Any employer refusing to give you a job on the basis of being on a list of charged people, unless  perhaps  they had determined that you were still moving through the legal process and your job involves driving, would have been a very dangerous employer to work for.
Before you give me the argument that you need a roof over your head more than you need a fair and just employer, the only reason for the power imbalance is so many people like you fearing the loss of little comfort.Note that it has not yet been proven that the public in general think a charged person is a convicted person.
This sort of thing needs to be studied scientifically, as a basis for educating where necessary to disabuse the people of serious misconceptions about the legal process.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550384</id>
	<title>Re:"Innocent until proven guilty"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261746660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously. We started at terrorism \_suspects\_ and are working our way down. (It's amazing that some of the same people who rabidly claim to distrust the government feel that the government is flawless when it comes to law enforcement and justice.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously .
We started at terrorism \ _suspects \ _ and are working our way down .
( It 's amazing that some of the same people who rabidly claim to distrust the government feel that the government is flawless when it comes to law enforcement and justice .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously.
We started at terrorism \_suspects\_ and are working our way down.
(It's amazing that some of the same people who rabidly claim to distrust the government feel that the government is flawless when it comes to law enforcement and justice.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550012</id>
	<title>We should do it with piracy accused as well!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261737180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People who are charged but not convicted of copyright infringement should have their names and home towns published on a searchable list.</p><p>It makes sense!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People who are charged but not convicted of copyright infringement should have their names and home towns published on a searchable list.It makes sense !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People who are charged but not convicted of copyright infringement should have their names and home towns published on a searchable list.It makes sense!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30553782</id>
	<title>Re:What? No Due Process?</title>
	<author>Wildclaw</author>
	<datestamp>1261754760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>However of those, at least around D.C., only the drunk driver has a specific set of laws that may well ruin their life,</p></div><p>That is because the percentage of fatal accidents that involves drugs is high enough to raise anyones eyebrow. 25 years ago 60\% of all fatalities in car accidents were related to drunken driving. Now we are down to a bit over one third. And considering that most people don't drive drunk most of the time, those numbers are incredibly telling.</p><p>Your grandmother or soccer-mom simply don't stand a chance against the drunk fuckers when it comes to endangering lifes.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>However of those , at least around D.C. , only the drunk driver has a specific set of laws that may well ruin their life,That is because the percentage of fatal accidents that involves drugs is high enough to raise anyones eyebrow .
25 years ago 60 \ % of all fatalities in car accidents were related to drunken driving .
Now we are down to a bit over one third .
And considering that most people do n't drive drunk most of the time , those numbers are incredibly telling.Your grandmother or soccer-mom simply do n't stand a chance against the drunk fuckers when it comes to endangering lifes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However of those, at least around D.C., only the drunk driver has a specific set of laws that may well ruin their life,That is because the percentage of fatal accidents that involves drugs is high enough to raise anyones eyebrow.
25 years ago 60\% of all fatalities in car accidents were related to drunken driving.
Now we are down to a bit over one third.
And considering that most people don't drive drunk most of the time, those numbers are incredibly telling.Your grandmother or soccer-mom simply don't stand a chance against the drunk fuckers when it comes to endangering lifes.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550400</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550684</id>
	<title>And the cops beat me during the arrest...</title>
	<author>denalione</author>
	<datestamp>1261753560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think anyone in this district who interacts with law enforcement should twitter accusations of police brutality and prosecutorial malfeasance.</p><p>I mean, as long as were making public unproven allegations both sides should suffer the same consequences.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think anyone in this district who interacts with law enforcement should twitter accusations of police brutality and prosecutorial malfeasance.I mean , as long as were making public unproven allegations both sides should suffer the same consequences .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think anyone in this district who interacts with law enforcement should twitter accusations of police brutality and prosecutorial malfeasance.I mean, as long as were making public unproven allegations both sides should suffer the same consequences.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30555702</id>
	<title>Re:What? No Due Process?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261842420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>//I agree with you that this sort of publication of charges instead of convictions sucks.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>//However, your characterization of drunk drivers is just wrong. They ARE incredibly dangerous. They ARE reckless, and while they may<nobr> <wbr></nobr>//not intentionally be seeking out people to mow down, they are showing a tremendous disregard for those same people.</p><p>Well, the same can be said of drivers using their cellphone. The small town I live in ($1500.00 vs $75.00. The local police chief has been collecting data. His survey, not yet finished, indicates, at this point, some interesting points. Whitetail deer are involved in more than twice as many crashes than cellphones. Cellphone usage seems to be involved between 6 and 8 times more often than DUI\_s. Hitting a deer cannot be avoided, at times. The other two situations are avoidable. I see no simple solutions. You tell me. Stupid people cause the problem. You can not fix STUPID!!!</p><p>Do you want to quit selling beer and whiskey? Quit selling cellphones? Kill the deer? === Tear down the bar, the cell tower........etc.<br>That would be a big change. Watch what you are doing while your behind the wheel. Everyone would be a lot safer. I'm all for safety. However, I realize a very simple fact, you and yours can not change the world, no more than I can. I drink, but I don't 'Drink &amp; drive'! Do you belong to MADD(Mothers Against Drunk Drivers). Well, watch out for the ones  that belong to DAMM (Drunks Against Mad Mothers!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>//Buying Chocolate when you wanted Strawberry is a bad decision. Getting behind the wheel while drunk shows a fundamental<nobr> <wbr></nobr>//contempt for human life.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>//Attempting to trivialize it in the way you have is honestly quite disturbing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>//I agree with you that this sort of publication of charges instead of convictions sucks .
//However , your characterization of drunk drivers is just wrong .
They ARE incredibly dangerous .
They ARE reckless , and while they may //not intentionally be seeking out people to mow down , they are showing a tremendous disregard for those same people.Well , the same can be said of drivers using their cellphone .
The small town I live in ( $ 1500.00 vs $ 75.00 .
The local police chief has been collecting data .
His survey , not yet finished , indicates , at this point , some interesting points .
Whitetail deer are involved in more than twice as many crashes than cellphones .
Cellphone usage seems to be involved between 6 and 8 times more often than DUI \ _s .
Hitting a deer can not be avoided , at times .
The other two situations are avoidable .
I see no simple solutions .
You tell me .
Stupid people cause the problem .
You can not fix STUPID ! !
! Do you want to quit selling beer and whiskey ?
Quit selling cellphones ?
Kill the deer ?
= = = Tear down the bar , the cell tower........etc.That would be a big change .
Watch what you are doing while your behind the wheel .
Everyone would be a lot safer .
I 'm all for safety .
However , I realize a very simple fact , you and yours can not change the world , no more than I can .
I drink , but I do n't 'Drink &amp; drive ' !
Do you belong to MADD ( Mothers Against Drunk Drivers ) .
Well , watch out for the ones that belong to DAMM ( Drunks Against Mad Mothers !
//Buying Chocolate when you wanted Strawberry is a bad decision .
Getting behind the wheel while drunk shows a fundamental //contempt for human life .
//Attempting to trivialize it in the way you have is honestly quite disturbing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> //I agree with you that this sort of publication of charges instead of convictions sucks.
//However, your characterization of drunk drivers is just wrong.
They ARE incredibly dangerous.
They ARE reckless, and while they may //not intentionally be seeking out people to mow down, they are showing a tremendous disregard for those same people.Well, the same can be said of drivers using their cellphone.
The small town I live in ($1500.00 vs $75.00.
The local police chief has been collecting data.
His survey, not yet finished, indicates, at this point, some interesting points.
Whitetail deer are involved in more than twice as many crashes than cellphones.
Cellphone usage seems to be involved between 6 and 8 times more often than DUI\_s.
Hitting a deer cannot be avoided, at times.
The other two situations are avoidable.
I see no simple solutions.
You tell me.
Stupid people cause the problem.
You can not fix STUPID!!
!Do you want to quit selling beer and whiskey?
Quit selling cellphones?
Kill the deer?
=== Tear down the bar, the cell tower........etc.That would be a big change.
Watch what you are doing while your behind the wheel.
Everyone would be a lot safer.
I'm all for safety.
However, I realize a very simple fact, you and yours can not change the world, no more than I can.
I drink, but I don't 'Drink &amp; drive'!
Do you belong to MADD(Mothers Against Drunk Drivers).
Well, watch out for the ones  that belong to DAMM (Drunks Against Mad Mothers!
//Buying Chocolate when you wanted Strawberry is a bad decision.
Getting behind the wheel while drunk shows a fundamental //contempt for human life.
//Attempting to trivialize it in the way you have is honestly quite disturbing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30553594</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>harlows\_monkeys</author>
	<datestamp>1261751640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you are charged with a crime, that is generally a matter of public record, and is often published in the newspaper. If the person is later found not guilty, there is no compensation for the information having been published in the newspaper. Why should there be compensation if the information is tweeted?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you are charged with a crime , that is generally a matter of public record , and is often published in the newspaper .
If the person is later found not guilty , there is no compensation for the information having been published in the newspaper .
Why should there be compensation if the information is tweeted ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you are charged with a crime, that is generally a matter of public record, and is often published in the newspaper.
If the person is later found not guilty, there is no compensation for the information having been published in the newspaper.
Why should there be compensation if the information is tweeted?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549774</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30556478</id>
	<title>Re:First!</title>
	<author>jonadab</author>
	<datestamp>1261849440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; Do people really care if their name is published on Twitter?<br>&gt; If they'd really want to embarrass drunk drivers, force them<br>&gt; to drive around with a pink license plate<br><br>Stop dorking around with them and just take away their driving privileges.  Permanently, if they're over eighteen, or until they turn twenty-one, if they're not eighteen yet.<br><br>If they're caught driving again after having their privileges revoked for drunk driving, throw them in the slammer for ten years or so, and on repeat offenses just execute them.  Stop mollycoddling the drunk drivers.  They are not victims.  They are, by choice, a public danger and a menace.  Treat them as such.<br><br>Operating a motor vehicle on a public road is inherently dangerous, not just to yourself, but more importantly to others.  *Most* people shouldn't be doing it in the first place, because most people aren't careful enough to be entrusted with the responsibility.  But everyone wants to drive.  Well, alright, if you want to drive, demonstrate that you can at least exercise a *minimal* amount of care by following basic safety rules, such as not driving while drunk.  If you can't even manage that, well then you can just walk, or take the bus, or hire a qualified professional driver with the good sense to come to work sober.<br><br>Motor vehicle accidents cause more fatalities in this country than AIDS and terrorism combined.  It is entirely appropriate to treat careless drivers as one of the biggest threats to public safety, because they are.  Driving while drunk, driving while texting, driving while surfing the web, driving while drinking coffee, driving while reading a map, driving while getting dressed,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...  it's careless, and it's not okay, because you're being careless with the lives of everyone on the road.  Hand over your driver's license, you cretinous selfish careless good-for-nothing loser.  You have clearly demonstrated that you lack the good judgment needed to operate a motor vehicle on a public road.  You are a danger to yourself and others.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Do people really care if their name is published on Twitter ? &gt; If they 'd really want to embarrass drunk drivers , force them &gt; to drive around with a pink license plateStop dorking around with them and just take away their driving privileges .
Permanently , if they 're over eighteen , or until they turn twenty-one , if they 're not eighteen yet.If they 're caught driving again after having their privileges revoked for drunk driving , throw them in the slammer for ten years or so , and on repeat offenses just execute them .
Stop mollycoddling the drunk drivers .
They are not victims .
They are , by choice , a public danger and a menace .
Treat them as such.Operating a motor vehicle on a public road is inherently dangerous , not just to yourself , but more importantly to others .
* Most * people should n't be doing it in the first place , because most people are n't careful enough to be entrusted with the responsibility .
But everyone wants to drive .
Well , alright , if you want to drive , demonstrate that you can at least exercise a * minimal * amount of care by following basic safety rules , such as not driving while drunk .
If you ca n't even manage that , well then you can just walk , or take the bus , or hire a qualified professional driver with the good sense to come to work sober.Motor vehicle accidents cause more fatalities in this country than AIDS and terrorism combined .
It is entirely appropriate to treat careless drivers as one of the biggest threats to public safety , because they are .
Driving while drunk , driving while texting , driving while surfing the web , driving while drinking coffee , driving while reading a map , driving while getting dressed , ... it 's careless , and it 's not okay , because you 're being careless with the lives of everyone on the road .
Hand over your driver 's license , you cretinous selfish careless good-for-nothing loser .
You have clearly demonstrated that you lack the good judgment needed to operate a motor vehicle on a public road .
You are a danger to yourself and others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Do people really care if their name is published on Twitter?&gt; If they'd really want to embarrass drunk drivers, force them&gt; to drive around with a pink license plateStop dorking around with them and just take away their driving privileges.
Permanently, if they're over eighteen, or until they turn twenty-one, if they're not eighteen yet.If they're caught driving again after having their privileges revoked for drunk driving, throw them in the slammer for ten years or so, and on repeat offenses just execute them.
Stop mollycoddling the drunk drivers.
They are not victims.
They are, by choice, a public danger and a menace.
Treat them as such.Operating a motor vehicle on a public road is inherently dangerous, not just to yourself, but more importantly to others.
*Most* people shouldn't be doing it in the first place, because most people aren't careful enough to be entrusted with the responsibility.
But everyone wants to drive.
Well, alright, if you want to drive, demonstrate that you can at least exercise a *minimal* amount of care by following basic safety rules, such as not driving while drunk.
If you can't even manage that, well then you can just walk, or take the bus, or hire a qualified professional driver with the good sense to come to work sober.Motor vehicle accidents cause more fatalities in this country than AIDS and terrorism combined.
It is entirely appropriate to treat careless drivers as one of the biggest threats to public safety, because they are.
Driving while drunk, driving while texting, driving while surfing the web, driving while drinking coffee, driving while reading a map, driving while getting dressed, ...  it's careless, and it's not okay, because you're being careless with the lives of everyone on the road.
Hand over your driver's license, you cretinous selfish careless good-for-nothing loser.
You have clearly demonstrated that you lack the good judgment needed to operate a motor vehicle on a public road.
You are a danger to yourself and others.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551062</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1261759800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's nothing.</p><p>I googled myself and apparently I'm listed on America's Most Wanted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's nothing.I googled myself and apparently I 'm listed on America 's Most Wanted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's nothing.I googled myself and apparently I'm listed on America's Most Wanted.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550044</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550800</id>
	<title>Re:What? No Due Process?</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1261755720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree totally that this is wrong, and the first mistake they make the ACLU will be all over them and run them into the ground, with payment for damages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree totally that this is wrong , and the first mistake they make the ACLU will be all over them and run them into the ground , with payment for damages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree totally that this is wrong, and the first mistake they make the ACLU will be all over them and run them into the ground, with payment for damages.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549888</id>
	<title>first poGst</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261734240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">was at the same shout the loudest Pooper. Nothing politics openly. you are a screaming and has instead Future at all Product, BSD's ppalid bodies and for a living got</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>was at the same shout the loudest Pooper .
Nothing politics openly .
you are a screaming and has instead Future at all Product , BSD 's ppalid bodies and for a living got [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>was at the same shout the loudest Pooper.
Nothing politics openly.
you are a screaming and has instead Future at all Product, BSD's ppalid bodies and for a living got [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30553316</id>
	<title>Re:What? No Due Process?</title>
	<author>TapeCutter</author>
	<datestamp>1261747200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>40yrs is probably hyperbole but yes, you're track record is visable to people who have to place trust in you. A resonable person would see the 40yrs worth of clean record and conclude you had learnt your lesson, thus you are at least teachable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>40yrs is probably hyperbole but yes , you 're track record is visable to people who have to place trust in you .
A resonable person would see the 40yrs worth of clean record and conclude you had learnt your lesson , thus you are at least teachable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>40yrs is probably hyperbole but yes, you're track record is visable to people who have to place trust in you.
A resonable person would see the 40yrs worth of clean record and conclude you had learnt your lesson, thus you are at least teachable.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549850</id>
	<title>How to avoid this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261733580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Change your name to something longer than 140 characters.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Change your name to something longer than 140 characters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Change your name to something longer than 140 characters.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550054</id>
	<title>Re:Just one question...</title>
	<author>mpe</author>
	<datestamp>1261738320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Can a person be charged with drunk driving if they actually haven't had anything to drink?</i> <br> <br>You don't have to be guilty to be changed with anything. There are certainly cases of people being charged with drunk "driving" who were not actually driving...<br> <br> <i>I've got approximately zero sympathy for people who drive while under the influence of alcohol, whether or not they happen to be within the "legal limit".</i> <br> <br>There also appear to be no shortage of people incapable of driving safely without taking any drugs at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can a person be charged with drunk driving if they actually have n't had anything to drink ?
You do n't have to be guilty to be changed with anything .
There are certainly cases of people being charged with drunk " driving " who were not actually driving... I 've got approximately zero sympathy for people who drive while under the influence of alcohol , whether or not they happen to be within the " legal limit " .
There also appear to be no shortage of people incapable of driving safely without taking any drugs at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can a person be charged with drunk driving if they actually haven't had anything to drink?
You don't have to be guilty to be changed with anything.
There are certainly cases of people being charged with drunk "driving" who were not actually driving...  I've got approximately zero sympathy for people who drive while under the influence of alcohol, whether or not they happen to be within the "legal limit".
There also appear to be no shortage of people incapable of driving safely without taking any drugs at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551368</id>
	<title>Re:First!</title>
	<author>ClosedSource</author>
	<datestamp>1261763100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right. Besides anybody over 35 who uses Twitter is either a celebrity or a poser.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right .
Besides anybody over 35 who uses Twitter is either a celebrity or a poser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right.
Besides anybody over 35 who uses Twitter is either a celebrity or a poser.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549864</id>
	<title>Re:What? No Due Process?</title>
	<author>enjo13</author>
	<datestamp>1261733760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree with you that this sort of publication of charges instead of convictions sucks.</p><p>However, your characterization of drunk drivers is just wrong. They ARE incredibly dangerous. They ARE reckless, and while they may not intentionally be seeking out people to mow down, they are showing a tremendous disregard for those same people.</p><p>Buying Chocolate when you wanted Strawberry is a bad decision. Getting behind the wheel while drunk shows a fundamental contempt for human life.</p><p>Attempting to trivialize it in the way you have is honestly quite disturbing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with you that this sort of publication of charges instead of convictions sucks.However , your characterization of drunk drivers is just wrong .
They ARE incredibly dangerous .
They ARE reckless , and while they may not intentionally be seeking out people to mow down , they are showing a tremendous disregard for those same people.Buying Chocolate when you wanted Strawberry is a bad decision .
Getting behind the wheel while drunk shows a fundamental contempt for human life.Attempting to trivialize it in the way you have is honestly quite disturbing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with you that this sort of publication of charges instead of convictions sucks.However, your characterization of drunk drivers is just wrong.
They ARE incredibly dangerous.
They ARE reckless, and while they may not intentionally be seeking out people to mow down, they are showing a tremendous disregard for those same people.Buying Chocolate when you wanted Strawberry is a bad decision.
Getting behind the wheel while drunk shows a fundamental contempt for human life.Attempting to trivialize it in the way you have is honestly quite disturbing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30554282</id>
	<title>Re:"charged with"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261765440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>if they publish names of people that are only *charged*, it needs to be stopped and those responsible put in jail. </p></div><p>Are you even listening to yourself?  You want to put people in jail for publishing a public record?  What if this was just some random citizen doing this?  How about if it was a MADD representative?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>if they publish names of people that are only * charged * , it needs to be stopped and those responsible put in jail .
Are you even listening to yourself ?
You want to put people in jail for publishing a public record ?
What if this was just some random citizen doing this ?
How about if it was a MADD representative ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if they publish names of people that are only *charged*, it needs to be stopped and those responsible put in jail.
Are you even listening to yourself?
You want to put people in jail for publishing a public record?
What if this was just some random citizen doing this?
How about if it was a MADD representative?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30552838</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261739100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I second this. LAWYER.</p><p>If you're a cop and someone can't touch their nose and say it's because of a neurological disorder, then you f-ing look at their eyes, their face, the way they speak.</p><p>Further positive benefit: She would be able to speak up for herself more strongly if she has to talk about the episode.</p><p>If you can't afford it, consider someone who offers to work for 100\% of the comp. It's not always about money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I second this .
LAWYER.If you 're a cop and someone ca n't touch their nose and say it 's because of a neurological disorder , then you f-ing look at their eyes , their face , the way they speak.Further positive benefit : She would be able to speak up for herself more strongly if she has to talk about the episode.If you ca n't afford it , consider someone who offers to work for 100 \ % of the comp .
It 's not always about money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I second this.
LAWYER.If you're a cop and someone can't touch their nose and say it's because of a neurological disorder, then you f-ing look at their eyes, their face, the way they speak.Further positive benefit: She would be able to speak up for herself more strongly if she has to talk about the episode.If you can't afford it, consider someone who offers to work for 100\% of the comp.
It's not always about money.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550808</id>
	<title>Re:things have changed re drunk driving.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261755780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's nice to know that "not accidentally killing someone" is 3rd on your list of reasons to not drive drunk.  Or maybe the word I'm looking for is sociopathic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's nice to know that " not accidentally killing someone " is 3rd on your list of reasons to not drive drunk .
Or maybe the word I 'm looking for is sociopathic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's nice to know that "not accidentally killing someone" is 3rd on your list of reasons to not drive drunk.
Or maybe the word I'm looking for is sociopathic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550044</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>slarrg</author>
	<datestamp>1261737960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In a community of six million people, how many people do you think share the same name? I can just imagine someone in my community reading my name on this Twitter page and thinking it was me rather than one of the three other people I know about with the same name. What a mess. </p><p>Worse, imagine getting fired because your clueless boss decided to fire people because their name was on the list and they drive a delivery truck. Even if you later prove that the person was someone sharing your name but living at a different address you're not likely to get your job back in an "at will" employment jurisdiction.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a community of six million people , how many people do you think share the same name ?
I can just imagine someone in my community reading my name on this Twitter page and thinking it was me rather than one of the three other people I know about with the same name .
What a mess .
Worse , imagine getting fired because your clueless boss decided to fire people because their name was on the list and they drive a delivery truck .
Even if you later prove that the person was someone sharing your name but living at a different address you 're not likely to get your job back in an " at will " employment jurisdiction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a community of six million people, how many people do you think share the same name?
I can just imagine someone in my community reading my name on this Twitter page and thinking it was me rather than one of the three other people I know about with the same name.
What a mess.
Worse, imagine getting fired because your clueless boss decided to fire people because their name was on the list and they drive a delivery truck.
Even if you later prove that the person was someone sharing your name but living at a different address you're not likely to get your job back in an "at will" employment jurisdiction.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30551348</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>0100010001010011</author>
	<datestamp>1261762920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>160 characters is plenty to put a description and or address.</p><p>Jane Doe - Age 27. Weight 130 lbs. Height 5' 4". Resides on Evergreen Terrace.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>160 characters is plenty to put a description and or address.Jane Doe - Age 27 .
Weight 130 lbs .
Height 5 ' 4 " .
Resides on Evergreen Terrace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>160 characters is plenty to put a description and or address.Jane Doe - Age 27.
Weight 130 lbs.
Height 5' 4".
Resides on Evergreen Terrace.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549966</id>
	<title>Re:Doubtful</title>
	<author>mpe</author>
	<datestamp>1261736340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>This is one of those, "oh, it sounds good and makes me look tough on crime, therefore, it's a good idea" things. Not that it's a bad idea, but it's ineffective. If someone is drunk and things driving is a good idea I kind of doubt they'll be in the state of mind at the time to thing, "oh golly, if I get caught people on Twitter might know!" Not to mention that most people won't even know this is happening in the first place!</i> <br> <br>There's also the problem that if the accused has a common name such "naming and shaming" won't be such a good idea anyway.<br>If they really wanted to be tough here then a conviction would always result in a driving ban and a need to take a driving test after the ban had expired.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is one of those , " oh , it sounds good and makes me look tough on crime , therefore , it 's a good idea " things .
Not that it 's a bad idea , but it 's ineffective .
If someone is drunk and things driving is a good idea I kind of doubt they 'll be in the state of mind at the time to thing , " oh golly , if I get caught people on Twitter might know !
" Not to mention that most people wo n't even know this is happening in the first place !
There 's also the problem that if the accused has a common name such " naming and shaming " wo n't be such a good idea anyway.If they really wanted to be tough here then a conviction would always result in a driving ban and a need to take a driving test after the ban had expired .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is one of those, "oh, it sounds good and makes me look tough on crime, therefore, it's a good idea" things.
Not that it's a bad idea, but it's ineffective.
If someone is drunk and things driving is a good idea I kind of doubt they'll be in the state of mind at the time to thing, "oh golly, if I get caught people on Twitter might know!
" Not to mention that most people won't even know this is happening in the first place!
There's also the problem that if the accused has a common name such "naming and shaming" won't be such a good idea anyway.If they really wanted to be tough here then a conviction would always result in a driving ban and a need to take a driving test after the ban had expired.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30610748</id>
	<title>don't like it, do something.  Or just keep quiet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262260740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But this is America where those in power can do anything they wish because you let them, and what are you people that are complaining about it here doing?  uhh maybe just complaining with no desire to do anything more, words are words yet action deems results, don't like it?  Ok, take an ACTIVE stand for what you believe, step out of your own comfort ( doubt you will) and stand against this injustice you claim, or perhaps you're too cowardly to do any such thing, so I guess you don't really believe in your words... other than the "I'm bitching and moaning" part.  If these "peace" officers are commiting atrocities against what you believe, perhaps it's time to change the way they do things...  myabe you should assault any peace officers on sight, or burn down the house of corruption( courthouse)  I'm not saying it would be right, just that it would prove your point...  remember , in America Truth is spoken by the one with the most force.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But this is America where those in power can do anything they wish because you let them , and what are you people that are complaining about it here doing ?
uhh maybe just complaining with no desire to do anything more , words are words yet action deems results , do n't like it ?
Ok , take an ACTIVE stand for what you believe , step out of your own comfort ( doubt you will ) and stand against this injustice you claim , or perhaps you 're too cowardly to do any such thing , so I guess you do n't really believe in your words... other than the " I 'm bitching and moaning " part .
If these " peace " officers are commiting atrocities against what you believe , perhaps it 's time to change the way they do things... myabe you should assault any peace officers on sight , or burn down the house of corruption ( courthouse ) I 'm not saying it would be right , just that it would prove your point... remember , in America Truth is spoken by the one with the most force .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But this is America where those in power can do anything they wish because you let them, and what are you people that are complaining about it here doing?
uhh maybe just complaining with no desire to do anything more, words are words yet action deems results, don't like it?
Ok, take an ACTIVE stand for what you believe, step out of your own comfort ( doubt you will) and stand against this injustice you claim, or perhaps you're too cowardly to do any such thing, so I guess you don't really believe in your words... other than the "I'm bitching and moaning" part.
If these "peace" officers are commiting atrocities against what you believe, perhaps it's time to change the way they do things...  myabe you should assault any peace officers on sight, or burn down the house of corruption( courthouse)  I'm not saying it would be right, just that it would prove your point...  remember , in America Truth is spoken by the one with the most force.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30550160</id>
	<title>Future News: Wrongfully Charged Awarded Millions.</title>
	<author>jafo</author>
	<datestamp>1261741620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>DUI is a terrible thing, and I won't defend it.  However, I also know that beat officers will sometimes abuse their power.  I grew up around sheriff's deputies, my mother worked in the department (in administration) and most of her friends were beat officers.  So I got exposed to a lot of their stories.<br><br>So, yeah, I'm sure that quite a lot of the people who get charged are guilty as hell.  And I'm sure that some of the people who get cleared of the charges are cleared only on a technicality and they were guilty.  If they have multiple tests<br><br>However, I can imagine also that there are officers who, for whatever reason, may wrongfully charge someone.  "I saw him leave a bar."  Truth is he was the designated driver but had to go home early.  "He was staggering."  Truth is he had an inner ear infection that messed up his balance, or maybe he was messing with his smartphone while walking to the car.  "He had dramatic variances in his speed."  The truth was that he was doing the speed limit just fine until the officer started tailgating him, where he slowed down to reduce the chance of getting run into.  What may be overwhelming evidence to the officer -- say if his breathalyzer in his car is broken, may be later found by the court to have other reasons, like the stumbling.<br><br>This is why we have the courts hear the case before passing judgment, and the police don't do the conviction on the spot.<br><br>The speed change part above happened to my wife a few years ago.  She was pulled over and asked if she had been drinking because she dramatically slowed down.  She slowed down because there was a giant SUV following her less than a car length away 55MPH.  It was the officer's SUV.  Why he wasn't in the next lane over, which was empty, I can't imagine.<br><br>It is not the job of the "beat officer" to make a conviction -- it's the job of the courts to look at the evidence and make that determination.  They can charge you with anything, and you can't make any defense of that charge to the officer.  You have to make it to the court.<br><br>The world today, here in the US, has a reality where posting something on the Internet, particularly from an official source like the police, will probably follow you around forever.  And you'll never know if you didn't get that job offer because of this search result (which is probably highly ranked), because HR will tell you they just had a better candidate, if they tell you anything at all, because they don't want to be sued for making a bad decision.<br><br>Sean</htmltext>
<tokenext>DUI is a terrible thing , and I wo n't defend it .
However , I also know that beat officers will sometimes abuse their power .
I grew up around sheriff 's deputies , my mother worked in the department ( in administration ) and most of her friends were beat officers .
So I got exposed to a lot of their stories.So , yeah , I 'm sure that quite a lot of the people who get charged are guilty as hell .
And I 'm sure that some of the people who get cleared of the charges are cleared only on a technicality and they were guilty .
If they have multiple testsHowever , I can imagine also that there are officers who , for whatever reason , may wrongfully charge someone .
" I saw him leave a bar .
" Truth is he was the designated driver but had to go home early .
" He was staggering .
" Truth is he had an inner ear infection that messed up his balance , or maybe he was messing with his smartphone while walking to the car .
" He had dramatic variances in his speed .
" The truth was that he was doing the speed limit just fine until the officer started tailgating him , where he slowed down to reduce the chance of getting run into .
What may be overwhelming evidence to the officer -- say if his breathalyzer in his car is broken , may be later found by the court to have other reasons , like the stumbling.This is why we have the courts hear the case before passing judgment , and the police do n't do the conviction on the spot.The speed change part above happened to my wife a few years ago .
She was pulled over and asked if she had been drinking because she dramatically slowed down .
She slowed down because there was a giant SUV following her less than a car length away 55MPH .
It was the officer 's SUV .
Why he was n't in the next lane over , which was empty , I ca n't imagine.It is not the job of the " beat officer " to make a conviction -- it 's the job of the courts to look at the evidence and make that determination .
They can charge you with anything , and you ca n't make any defense of that charge to the officer .
You have to make it to the court.The world today , here in the US , has a reality where posting something on the Internet , particularly from an official source like the police , will probably follow you around forever .
And you 'll never know if you did n't get that job offer because of this search result ( which is probably highly ranked ) , because HR will tell you they just had a better candidate , if they tell you anything at all , because they do n't want to be sued for making a bad decision.Sean</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DUI is a terrible thing, and I won't defend it.
However, I also know that beat officers will sometimes abuse their power.
I grew up around sheriff's deputies, my mother worked in the department (in administration) and most of her friends were beat officers.
So I got exposed to a lot of their stories.So, yeah, I'm sure that quite a lot of the people who get charged are guilty as hell.
And I'm sure that some of the people who get cleared of the charges are cleared only on a technicality and they were guilty.
If they have multiple testsHowever, I can imagine also that there are officers who, for whatever reason, may wrongfully charge someone.
"I saw him leave a bar.
"  Truth is he was the designated driver but had to go home early.
"He was staggering.
"  Truth is he had an inner ear infection that messed up his balance, or maybe he was messing with his smartphone while walking to the car.
"He had dramatic variances in his speed.
"  The truth was that he was doing the speed limit just fine until the officer started tailgating him, where he slowed down to reduce the chance of getting run into.
What may be overwhelming evidence to the officer -- say if his breathalyzer in his car is broken, may be later found by the court to have other reasons, like the stumbling.This is why we have the courts hear the case before passing judgment, and the police don't do the conviction on the spot.The speed change part above happened to my wife a few years ago.
She was pulled over and asked if she had been drinking because she dramatically slowed down.
She slowed down because there was a giant SUV following her less than a car length away 55MPH.
It was the officer's SUV.
Why he wasn't in the next lane over, which was empty, I can't imagine.It is not the job of the "beat officer" to make a conviction -- it's the job of the courts to look at the evidence and make that determination.
They can charge you with anything, and you can't make any defense of that charge to the officer.
You have to make it to the court.The world today, here in the US, has a reality where posting something on the Internet, particularly from an official source like the police, will probably follow you around forever.
And you'll never know if you didn't get that job offer because of this search result (which is probably highly ranked), because HR will tell you they just had a better candidate, if they tell you anything at all, because they don't want to be sued for making a bad decision.Sean</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30553070</id>
	<title>We don't need no stinkin' "due process"</title>
	<author>PopeRatzo</author>
	<datestamp>1261743060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The idea that it is somehow ok to humiliate people who are supposedly INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY seems like a prelude to a morality police state.</p></div></blockquote><p>Welcome to the New USA, where "due process" is only for liberal pussies.</p><p>By the way, a "liberal pussy" is what we call a right-wing conservative who's been charged with a crime.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The idea that it is somehow ok to humiliate people who are supposedly INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY seems like a prelude to a morality police state.Welcome to the New USA , where " due process " is only for liberal pussies.By the way , a " liberal pussy " is what we call a right-wing conservative who 's been charged with a crime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The idea that it is somehow ok to humiliate people who are supposedly INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY seems like a prelude to a morality police state.Welcome to the New USA, where "due process" is only for liberal pussies.By the way, a "liberal pussy" is what we call a right-wing conservative who's been charged with a crime.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30552058</id>
	<title>Re:What? No Due Process?</title>
	<author>onepoint</author>
	<datestamp>1261771740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What needs to be done is a counter move to pollute the data-feed in twitter by getting the county address book and posting each person's name randomly until it's full, this way they are forced to remove the entire twitter account or published the results of the trial. So black hatters, boot those proxies and make it happen, kill it off as fast as possible.</p><p>like you said, on the internet, everything is still around, I have stuff that I posted 15 years back still around. I could only imagine this thing being around for 40+</p><p>and yes it's true, as an employer, I have two equal candidates, and one of them show up on a list like this, guess what? I'm not going to hire that person.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What needs to be done is a counter move to pollute the data-feed in twitter by getting the county address book and posting each person 's name randomly until it 's full , this way they are forced to remove the entire twitter account or published the results of the trial .
So black hatters , boot those proxies and make it happen , kill it off as fast as possible.like you said , on the internet , everything is still around , I have stuff that I posted 15 years back still around .
I could only imagine this thing being around for 40 + and yes it 's true , as an employer , I have two equal candidates , and one of them show up on a list like this , guess what ?
I 'm not going to hire that person .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What needs to be done is a counter move to pollute the data-feed in twitter by getting the county address book and posting each person's name randomly until it's full, this way they are forced to remove the entire twitter account or published the results of the trial.
So black hatters, boot those proxies and make it happen, kill it off as fast as possible.like you said, on the internet, everything is still around, I have stuff that I posted 15 years back still around.
I could only imagine this thing being around for 40+and yes it's true, as an employer, I have two equal candidates, and one of them show up on a list like this, guess what?
I'm not going to hire that person.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_0317254.30549910</id>
	<title>it's just an electronic perp walk</title>
	<author>YesIAmAScript</author>
	<datestamp>1261734720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perp\_walk" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perp\_walk</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>I'm not really a fan of perp walks, but they've been present in US society for 100 years haven't yet pushed us into a morality police state.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perp \ _walk [ wikipedia.org ] I 'm not really a fan of perp walks , but they 've been present in US society for 100 years have n't yet pushed us into a morality police state .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perp\_walk [wikipedia.org]I'm not really a fan of perp walks, but they've been present in US society for 100 years haven't yet pushed us into a morality police state.</sentencetext>
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