<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_24_1350229</id>
	<title>Is Neurostim Becoming a Reality?</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1261673880000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>destinyland writes <i>"There is a current <a href="http://hplusmagazine.com/articles/neuro/cognitive-commodities-neuro-marketplace">mass market for 'cognitive enhancement' products</a> &mdash; and arguments about the black market potential for neurostim. 'The same neurostim device that uses electric impulses from a brain implant to treat people with Parkinson's Disease can be tweaked by a few millimeters and pulse rates to make cocaine addicts feel like they are high all the time... Mix the glamour of surgical self-improvement with the geekiness of high-tech gadget fetishism and you have a niche cosmetic neurostim market waiting to be tapped...'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>destinyland writes " There is a current mass market for 'cognitive enhancement ' products    and arguments about the black market potential for neurostim .
'The same neurostim device that uses electric impulses from a brain implant to treat people with Parkinson 's Disease can be tweaked by a few millimeters and pulse rates to make cocaine addicts feel like they are high all the time... Mix the glamour of surgical self-improvement with the geekiness of high-tech gadget fetishism and you have a niche cosmetic neurostim market waiting to be tapped... ' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>destinyland writes "There is a current mass market for 'cognitive enhancement' products — and arguments about the black market potential for neurostim.
'The same neurostim device that uses electric impulses from a brain implant to treat people with Parkinson's Disease can be tweaked by a few millimeters and pulse rates to make cocaine addicts feel like they are high all the time... Mix the glamour of surgical self-improvement with the geekiness of high-tech gadget fetishism and you have a niche cosmetic neurostim market waiting to be tapped...'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30547058</id>
	<title>Cocaine?</title>
	<author>WGFCrafty</author>
	<datestamp>1261650540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wake me up when the master Mu "electrical agonism".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wake me up when the master Mu " electrical agonism " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wake me up when the master Mu "electrical agonism".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545496</id>
	<title>Drugs are the future.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261680720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The ethical world of sticking something into someone elses brain is so complex, that I can't see it becoming reality any time soon.

However, having your blood stream bring in some chemicals like Adderal, that is what is going to take off soon. Chemicals that are just mental steroids are the future, but society has still got to come to grips with them. I just got off finals and I would have loved something that made me want to sleep less and study more effectively. Oh, wait, there are drugs that do that, but possessing them would be cheating and a Federal crime.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The ethical world of sticking something into someone elses brain is so complex , that I ca n't see it becoming reality any time soon .
However , having your blood stream bring in some chemicals like Adderal , that is what is going to take off soon .
Chemicals that are just mental steroids are the future , but society has still got to come to grips with them .
I just got off finals and I would have loved something that made me want to sleep less and study more effectively .
Oh , wait , there are drugs that do that , but possessing them would be cheating and a Federal crime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ethical world of sticking something into someone elses brain is so complex, that I can't see it becoming reality any time soon.
However, having your blood stream bring in some chemicals like Adderal, that is what is going to take off soon.
Chemicals that are just mental steroids are the future, but society has still got to come to grips with them.
I just got off finals and I would have loved something that made me want to sleep less and study more effectively.
Oh, wait, there are drugs that do that, but possessing them would be cheating and a Federal crime.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545714</id>
	<title>Niche?</title>
	<author>Overunderrated</author>
	<datestamp>1261682040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh I don't think so. Everyone would want this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh I do n't think so .
Everyone would want this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh I don't think so.
Everyone would want this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545514</id>
	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261680780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't know about the functional one<br>Opiate even if it completely nullify one emotional life can leave you pretty functional<br>I used to get high all the time at work using snorted hydromorphone and I used to get raised and perk<br>Now that I am sober I look like an hippy and I am not a productive member of society</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't know about the functional oneOpiate even if it completely nullify one emotional life can leave you pretty functionalI used to get high all the time at work using snorted hydromorphone and I used to get raised and perkNow that I am sober I look like an hippy and I am not a productive member of society</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't know about the functional oneOpiate even if it completely nullify one emotional life can leave you pretty functionalI used to get high all the time at work using snorted hydromorphone and I used to get raised and perkNow that I am sober I look like an hippy and I am not a productive member of society</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545122</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545204</id>
	<title>Re:Normal State</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261678680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"If something is special, doing it all the time detracts from its appeal."</p><p>I think you do not understand how addiction works.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" If something is special , doing it all the time detracts from its appeal .
" I think you do not understand how addiction works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"If something is special, doing it all the time detracts from its appeal.
"I think you do not understand how addiction works.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545144</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30548294</id>
	<title>Larry Niven?</title>
	<author>lophophore</author>
	<datestamp>1261662480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmm.  Sounds suspiciously like the droud in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death\_by\_Ecstasy" title="wikipedia.org"> Death By Ecstasy</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>Me, I want a tasp.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm .
Sounds suspiciously like the droud in Death By Ecstasy [ wikipedia.org ] Me , I want a tasp .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm.
Sounds suspiciously like the droud in  Death By Ecstasy [wikipedia.org]Me, I want a tasp.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545290</id>
	<title>Re:Major problem...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261679280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yeah but I bet the games would be killer...literally...I keed I keed</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yeah but I bet the games would be killer...literally...I keed I keed</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yeah but I bet the games would be killer...literally...I keed I keed</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545180</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30548270</id>
	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1261662120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's a funny thing; pain, pleasure and dissatisfaction drive us as individuals,</p> </div><p>At some point, you learn to overcome your internal chemical signals and learn not to live only for the satisfaction of having a little pleasure released in your brain.<br> <br>
Then you are free to do whatever you want.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a funny thing ; pain , pleasure and dissatisfaction drive us as individuals , At some point , you learn to overcome your internal chemical signals and learn not to live only for the satisfaction of having a little pleasure released in your brain .
Then you are free to do whatever you want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a funny thing; pain, pleasure and dissatisfaction drive us as individuals, At some point, you learn to overcome your internal chemical signals and learn not to live only for the satisfaction of having a little pleasure released in your brain.
Then you are free to do whatever you want.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545592</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546792</id>
	<title>Re:Possibilities. . .</title>
	<author>Killer Orca</author>
	<datestamp>1261647780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There was an experiment done with rats where they wired up their brains' to give them an orgasm every time the rats hit a button.  They wanted to see how long the rats would go on pressing the button.<p> They started starving to death.  Can't say I blame them though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There was an experiment done with rats where they wired up their brains ' to give them an orgasm every time the rats hit a button .
They wanted to see how long the rats would go on pressing the button .
They started starving to death .
Ca n't say I blame them though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was an experiment done with rats where they wired up their brains' to give them an orgasm every time the rats hit a button.
They wanted to see how long the rats would go on pressing the button.
They started starving to death.
Can't say I blame them though.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545090</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546110</id>
	<title>Re:Stimpacks... hmmm</title>
	<author>euxneks</author>
	<datestamp>1261684800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'll be able to move faster, do more damage, and take more damage, all at a small cost of my health?</p><p>Fire it up!</p></div><p>Tsssss* aaah.
<br>
Man that brings back memories.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll be able to move faster , do more damage , and take more damage , all at a small cost of my health ? Fire it up ! Tsssss * aaah .
Man that brings back memories .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll be able to move faster, do more damage, and take more damage, all at a small cost of my health?Fire it up!Tsssss* aaah.
Man that brings back memories.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545136</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546012</id>
	<title>Re:Even if cocaine was harmless...</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1261683960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I admit, that this sounds religion-motivated, but that's hardly a drawback of an argument...</p></div><p>Yes, it is, becuase I don't share your religious view (or it seems many of your other views on life) so the underpinnings to your argument are shit to me.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Now, what is the justification for a cocaine-user's pleasure? What did he do to deserve, what a Trainspotting's [imdb.com] character describes as "thousand times the most intense orgasm you've ever experienced"?</p></div><p>Pretty sure that quote was talking about heroin, not cocaine.  Anyway, when talking about someone doing something to themselves, they shouldn't HAVE to justify something to anyone but themselves.  If I think "I should be able to do coke, because I got out of bed this morning," then that's the justification I'm going with, and the judges (me) are going to agree with me.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Of course, one needn't necessarily have earned all the pleasures of life &mdash; as long as one's habits don't interfere with others, one ought to be able to enjoy them. This is an individualist view, and I don't fully disagree. I would, however, be rather wary of such people: I wouldn't want one of them to marry my daughter, for example, as he may decide one day to stop caring for her.</p></div><p>What makes you say that last part?  How do you go from "You haven't earned that feeling" to "You're gonna stop caring about my daughter."  I don't follow the logic if there is any there.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I wouldn't want my daughter to become such a person either, because I not only want my own grandchildren, I also want the Humanity to continue to exist (preferably &mdash; my brand of it, the Western Civilization).</p></div><p>We've justified the cocaine-user's pleasure, what justifies you to make decrees on the future of civilization and humanity?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I admit , that this sounds religion-motivated , but that 's hardly a drawback of an argument...Yes , it is , becuase I do n't share your religious view ( or it seems many of your other views on life ) so the underpinnings to your argument are shit to me.Now , what is the justification for a cocaine-user 's pleasure ?
What did he do to deserve , what a Trainspotting 's [ imdb.com ] character describes as " thousand times the most intense orgasm you 've ever experienced " ? Pretty sure that quote was talking about heroin , not cocaine .
Anyway , when talking about someone doing something to themselves , they should n't HAVE to justify something to anyone but themselves .
If I think " I should be able to do coke , because I got out of bed this morning , " then that 's the justification I 'm going with , and the judges ( me ) are going to agree with me.Of course , one need n't necessarily have earned all the pleasures of life    as long as one 's habits do n't interfere with others , one ought to be able to enjoy them .
This is an individualist view , and I do n't fully disagree .
I would , however , be rather wary of such people : I would n't want one of them to marry my daughter , for example , as he may decide one day to stop caring for her.What makes you say that last part ?
How do you go from " You have n't earned that feeling " to " You 're gon na stop caring about my daughter .
" I do n't follow the logic if there is any there.I would n't want my daughter to become such a person either , because I not only want my own grandchildren , I also want the Humanity to continue to exist ( preferably    my brand of it , the Western Civilization ) .We 've justified the cocaine-user 's pleasure , what justifies you to make decrees on the future of civilization and humanity ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I admit, that this sounds religion-motivated, but that's hardly a drawback of an argument...Yes, it is, becuase I don't share your religious view (or it seems many of your other views on life) so the underpinnings to your argument are shit to me.Now, what is the justification for a cocaine-user's pleasure?
What did he do to deserve, what a Trainspotting's [imdb.com] character describes as "thousand times the most intense orgasm you've ever experienced"?Pretty sure that quote was talking about heroin, not cocaine.
Anyway, when talking about someone doing something to themselves, they shouldn't HAVE to justify something to anyone but themselves.
If I think "I should be able to do coke, because I got out of bed this morning," then that's the justification I'm going with, and the judges (me) are going to agree with me.Of course, one needn't necessarily have earned all the pleasures of life — as long as one's habits don't interfere with others, one ought to be able to enjoy them.
This is an individualist view, and I don't fully disagree.
I would, however, be rather wary of such people: I wouldn't want one of them to marry my daughter, for example, as he may decide one day to stop caring for her.What makes you say that last part?
How do you go from "You haven't earned that feeling" to "You're gonna stop caring about my daughter.
"  I don't follow the logic if there is any there.I wouldn't want my daughter to become such a person either, because I not only want my own grandchildren, I also want the Humanity to continue to exist (preferably — my brand of it, the Western Civilization).We've justified the cocaine-user's pleasure, what justifies you to make decrees on the future of civilization and humanity?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545336</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545400</id>
	<title>Not DIY</title>
	<author>Kagato</author>
	<datestamp>1261680000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who needs DIY when you could get your local Dr. Nick Riviera to do a little neurosurgery!  Perma Coke high?  I can see some rich folks paying to have that done.</p><p>Look at something like steroids.  For professional athletes that have to go to the black market it's illegal.  But if you're an actor that needs to bulk up for a movie you can get a doctor to create a roid regiment and prescription for you.  Perfectly legal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who needs DIY when you could get your local Dr. Nick Riviera to do a little neurosurgery !
Perma Coke high ?
I can see some rich folks paying to have that done.Look at something like steroids .
For professional athletes that have to go to the black market it 's illegal .
But if you 're an actor that needs to bulk up for a movie you can get a doctor to create a roid regiment and prescription for you .
Perfectly legal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who needs DIY when you could get your local Dr. Nick Riviera to do a little neurosurgery!
Perma Coke high?
I can see some rich folks paying to have that done.Look at something like steroids.
For professional athletes that have to go to the black market it's illegal.
But if you're an actor that needs to bulk up for a movie you can get a doctor to create a roid regiment and prescription for you.
Perfectly legal.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545050</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546094</id>
	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>euxneks</author>
	<datestamp>1261684680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't know about anyone else but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moron</p></div><p>You, of course, include caffeine in those drugs.</p></div><p>Right, because caffeine and meth are pretty much the same thing.  Those coffee drinkers, man. They'll shank you for a hot cuppa joe.  You gotta watch your back around them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about anyone else but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moronYou , of course , include caffeine in those drugs.Right , because caffeine and meth are pretty much the same thing .
Those coffee drinkers , man .
They 'll shank you for a hot cuppa joe .
You got ta watch your back around them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about anyone else but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moronYou, of course, include caffeine in those drugs.Right, because caffeine and meth are pretty much the same thing.
Those coffee drinkers, man.
They'll shank you for a hot cuppa joe.
You gotta watch your back around them.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545488</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545610</id>
	<title>Re:Even if cocaine was harmless...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261681380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; the intense pleasure most participants derive from it is the reward for the excruciating pains of childbirth and hardships of the childrearing.</p><p>Do you think we should frown upon infertile people having orgasms? I think you're insane.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; the intense pleasure most participants derive from it is the reward for the excruciating pains of childbirth and hardships of the childrearing.Do you think we should frown upon infertile people having orgasms ?
I think you 're insane .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; the intense pleasure most participants derive from it is the reward for the excruciating pains of childbirth and hardships of the childrearing.Do you think we should frown upon infertile people having orgasms?
I think you're insane.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545336</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545932</id>
	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>nxtw</author>
	<datestamp>1261683420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I don't know about anyone else but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moron and doesn't have anything better to do than getting doped up and hanging out and talking with their friends for hours about nothing.</p></div></blockquote><p>You never know who might be using stimulants (amphetamines, methamphetamine, methylphenidate, modafinil) - all are available with prescription, and with the probable exception of methamphetamine, are stocked in most pharmacies.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about anyone else but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moron and does n't have anything better to do than getting doped up and hanging out and talking with their friends for hours about nothing.You never know who might be using stimulants ( amphetamines , methamphetamine , methylphenidate , modafinil ) - all are available with prescription , and with the probable exception of methamphetamine , are stocked in most pharmacies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about anyone else but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moron and doesn't have anything better to do than getting doped up and hanging out and talking with their friends for hours about nothing.You never know who might be using stimulants (amphetamines, methamphetamine, methylphenidate, modafinil) - all are available with prescription, and with the probable exception of methamphetamine, are stocked in most pharmacies.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545122</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30548040</id>
	<title>Wait, I thought beta blockers were</title>
	<author>NotSoHeavyD3</author>
	<datestamp>1261659300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>coding enhancing drugs. I thought I read on slashdot awhile ago about people taking them to help them code. (Since they help you maintain a focus and keep calm.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>coding enhancing drugs .
I thought I read on slashdot awhile ago about people taking them to help them code .
( Since they help you maintain a focus and keep calm .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>coding enhancing drugs.
I thought I read on slashdot awhile ago about people taking them to help them code.
(Since they help you maintain a focus and keep calm.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546136</id>
	<title>Re:Screw making me happy</title>
	<author>bperkins</author>
	<datestamp>1261684980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><em> Screw<strong>ing</strong> make<strong>s</strong> me happy, I can do that myself.</em></p><p>FTFY.  Also, TMI.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Screwing makes me happy , I can do that myself.FTFY .
Also , TMI .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Screwing makes me happy, I can do that myself.FTFY.
Also, TMI.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546308</id>
	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>Artifakt</author>
	<datestamp>1261686660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Caffeine<br>Theobromine (in Chocolate, with lesser amounts in Cola nuts and Acai berries)<br>L-Theanine (particularly in green tea).<br>And compositionally enhanced direct electro-magnetic stimulation of one of the brain's most developed centers (the visual cortex).<br>Wheeee!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CaffeineTheobromine ( in Chocolate , with lesser amounts in Cola nuts and Acai berries ) L-Theanine ( particularly in green tea ) .And compositionally enhanced direct electro-magnetic stimulation of one of the brain 's most developed centers ( the visual cortex ) .Wheeee ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CaffeineTheobromine (in Chocolate, with lesser amounts in Cola nuts and Acai berries)L-Theanine (particularly in green tea).And compositionally enhanced direct electro-magnetic stimulation of one of the brain's most developed centers (the visual cortex).Wheeee!!
!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30547120</id>
	<title>The Pleasure Trap</title>
	<author>Paul Fernhout</author>
	<datestamp>1261651020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>See also: "The Pleasure Trap: Mastering the Hidden Force That Undermines Health &amp; Happiness" by Douglas J. Lisle<br>and Alan Goldhamer:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Pleasure-Trap-Mastering-Undermines-Happiness/dp/1570671508" title="amazon.com">http://www.amazon.com/Pleasure-Trap-Mastering-Undermines-Happiness/dp/1570671508</a> [amazon.com]<br>"""<br>A wake-up call to even the most health conscious people, The Pleasure Trap boldy challenges conventional wisdom about sickness and unhappiness in today's contemporary culture, and offers groundbreaking solutions for achieving change. Authors Douglas Lisel, Ph.D., and Alan Goldhamer, D.C., provide a fascinating new perspective on how modern life can turn so many smart, savvy people into the unwitting saboteurs of their own well-being.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Inspired by stunning original research, comprehensive clinical studies, and their successes with thousands of patients, the authors construct a new paradigm for the psychology of health, offering fresh hope for anyone stuck in a self-destructive rut. Integrating principals of evolutionary biology with trailblazing, proactive strategies for wellness, they argue that people who are chronically overweight, sick and ailing, or junk food junkies aren't that way because they're lazy, undisciplined, or stuck with bad genes. The authors reveal that most are victims of a dilemma that harkens back to our prehistoric past-"the Pleasure Trap."<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Drs. Lisle and Goldhamer then call upon their clinical experience, scientific investigations, and a recent revoution of understanding in human motivational psychology to provide you with solutions for the challenges of keeping on a healthful course-and how to make the most of your life.<br>"""</p><p>More here:<br>
&nbsp; <a href="http://www.healthpromoting.com/Articles/articles/PleasureTrap.htm" title="healthpromoting.com">http://www.healthpromoting.com/Articles/articles/PleasureTrap.htm</a> [healthpromoting.com]</p><p>Basically, it is about progressive desensitization. In terms of food, fasting for a time can sometimes help reset our sense of what is a good amount of stimulation (the subtle taste of a carrot, the nuanced taste of other natural foods) and what is too much (too salty, too fatty, etc.).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>See also : " The Pleasure Trap : Mastering the Hidden Force That Undermines Health &amp; Happiness " by Douglas J. Lisleand Alan Goldhamer :     http : //www.amazon.com/Pleasure-Trap-Mastering-Undermines-Happiness/dp/1570671508 [ amazon.com ] " " " A wake-up call to even the most health conscious people , The Pleasure Trap boldy challenges conventional wisdom about sickness and unhappiness in today 's contemporary culture , and offers groundbreaking solutions for achieving change .
Authors Douglas Lisel , Ph.D. , and Alan Goldhamer , D.C. , provide a fascinating new perspective on how modern life can turn so many smart , savvy people into the unwitting saboteurs of their own well-being .
    Inspired by stunning original research , comprehensive clinical studies , and their successes with thousands of patients , the authors construct a new paradigm for the psychology of health , offering fresh hope for anyone stuck in a self-destructive rut .
Integrating principals of evolutionary biology with trailblazing , proactive strategies for wellness , they argue that people who are chronically overweight , sick and ailing , or junk food junkies are n't that way because they 're lazy , undisciplined , or stuck with bad genes .
The authors reveal that most are victims of a dilemma that harkens back to our prehistoric past- " the Pleasure Trap .
"     Drs .
Lisle and Goldhamer then call upon their clinical experience , scientific investigations , and a recent revoution of understanding in human motivational psychology to provide you with solutions for the challenges of keeping on a healthful course-and how to make the most of your life .
" " " More here :   http : //www.healthpromoting.com/Articles/articles/PleasureTrap.htm [ healthpromoting.com ] Basically , it is about progressive desensitization .
In terms of food , fasting for a time can sometimes help reset our sense of what is a good amount of stimulation ( the subtle taste of a carrot , the nuanced taste of other natural foods ) and what is too much ( too salty , too fatty , etc .
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See also: "The Pleasure Trap: Mastering the Hidden Force That Undermines Health &amp; Happiness" by Douglas J. Lisleand Alan Goldhamer:
    http://www.amazon.com/Pleasure-Trap-Mastering-Undermines-Happiness/dp/1570671508 [amazon.com]"""A wake-up call to even the most health conscious people, The Pleasure Trap boldy challenges conventional wisdom about sickness and unhappiness in today's contemporary culture, and offers groundbreaking solutions for achieving change.
Authors Douglas Lisel, Ph.D., and Alan Goldhamer, D.C., provide a fascinating new perspective on how modern life can turn so many smart, savvy people into the unwitting saboteurs of their own well-being.
    Inspired by stunning original research, comprehensive clinical studies, and their successes with thousands of patients, the authors construct a new paradigm for the psychology of health, offering fresh hope for anyone stuck in a self-destructive rut.
Integrating principals of evolutionary biology with trailblazing, proactive strategies for wellness, they argue that people who are chronically overweight, sick and ailing, or junk food junkies aren't that way because they're lazy, undisciplined, or stuck with bad genes.
The authors reveal that most are victims of a dilemma that harkens back to our prehistoric past-"the Pleasure Trap.
"
    Drs.
Lisle and Goldhamer then call upon their clinical experience, scientific investigations, and a recent revoution of understanding in human motivational psychology to provide you with solutions for the challenges of keeping on a healthful course-and how to make the most of your life.
"""More here:
  http://www.healthpromoting.com/Articles/articles/PleasureTrap.htm [healthpromoting.com]Basically, it is about progressive desensitization.
In terms of food, fasting for a time can sometimes help reset our sense of what is a good amount of stimulation (the subtle taste of a carrot, the nuanced taste of other natural foods) and what is too much (too salty, too fatty, etc.
).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545436</id>
	<title>Did the definition of glamour change?</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1261680240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Mix the glamour of surgical self-improvement</p> </div><p>Yeah, until they find your body. Then it has all the "glamor" of autoerotic asphyxiation.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mix the glamour of surgical self-improvement Yeah , until they find your body .
Then it has all the " glamor " of autoerotic asphyxiation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mix the glamour of surgical self-improvement Yeah, until they find your body.
Then it has all the "glamor" of autoerotic asphyxiation.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545494</id>
	<title>Re:Screw making me happy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261680720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Screw making me happy, I can do that myself. Make one that stops me being lazy, I'll buy it <b>eventually</b> </p><p><div class="quote"><p>FTFY</p></div></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Screw making me happy , I can do that myself .
Make one that stops me being lazy , I 'll buy it eventually FTFY</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Screw making me happy, I can do that myself.
Make one that stops me being lazy, I'll buy it eventually FTFY
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546434</id>
	<title>This needs to solve other mental problems</title>
	<author>Orion Blastar</author>
	<datestamp>1261687560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>like mental illnesses like schizoaffective disorder (which I suffer from), schizophrenia, and other mental illnesses that can be disability. Such a device can control brain chemistry by providing the brain with the proper signals to release chemicals to counter the chemical imbalances that cause these mental problems and mental illnesses.</p><p>I would volunteer for neurostim testing, as I suffer from schizoaffective disorder and it has caused disability and career killing. Just to see if it would help others with my mental illness. As long as I don't turn into a zombie cyborg controlled by other people or something.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>like mental illnesses like schizoaffective disorder ( which I suffer from ) , schizophrenia , and other mental illnesses that can be disability .
Such a device can control brain chemistry by providing the brain with the proper signals to release chemicals to counter the chemical imbalances that cause these mental problems and mental illnesses.I would volunteer for neurostim testing , as I suffer from schizoaffective disorder and it has caused disability and career killing .
Just to see if it would help others with my mental illness .
As long as I do n't turn into a zombie cyborg controlled by other people or something .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>like mental illnesses like schizoaffective disorder (which I suffer from), schizophrenia, and other mental illnesses that can be disability.
Such a device can control brain chemistry by providing the brain with the proper signals to release chemicals to counter the chemical imbalances that cause these mental problems and mental illnesses.I would volunteer for neurostim testing, as I suffer from schizoaffective disorder and it has caused disability and career killing.
Just to see if it would help others with my mental illness.
As long as I don't turn into a zombie cyborg controlled by other people or something.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545090</id>
	<title>Possibilities. . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261678080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can I get one tweaked to give me a mind blowing orgasm every time I blink my eyes in rapid succession 10 times?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can I get one tweaked to give me a mind blowing orgasm every time I blink my eyes in rapid succession 10 times ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can I get one tweaked to give me a mind blowing orgasm every time I blink my eyes in rapid succession 10 times?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546438</id>
	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261687620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Step away from the coffee...<br>I repeat, STEP AWAY FROM THE COFFEE!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Step away from the coffee...I repeat , STEP AWAY FROM THE COFFEE !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Step away from the coffee...I repeat, STEP AWAY FROM THE COFFEE!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30557516</id>
	<title>Re:Not DIY</title>
	<author>dirtyhippie</author>
	<datestamp>1261858440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since when is it perfectly legal to get steroids because you need to bulk up for a movie?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when is it perfectly legal to get steroids because you need to bulk up for a movie ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when is it perfectly legal to get steroids because you need to bulk up for a movie?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545488</id>
	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>Scrameustache</author>
	<datestamp>1261680660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't know about anyone else but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moron</p></div><p>You, of course, include caffeine in those drugs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about anyone else but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moronYou , of course , include caffeine in those drugs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about anyone else but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moronYou, of course, include caffeine in those drugs.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30547696</id>
	<title>Re:"...the glamour of surgical self-improvement...</title>
	<author>camperslo</author>
	<datestamp>1261655820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The iPhone SDK supports interfacing to external devices.  Who wants to write the Bluetooth App that'll trigger a high or orgasm instead of a ringtone when selected people call?</p><p>With a multipoint interface matrix, a choice of responses could be made available.</p><p>I suppose calls from others could make you twitch, fart, or react in other special ways</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The iPhone SDK supports interfacing to external devices .
Who wants to write the Bluetooth App that 'll trigger a high or orgasm instead of a ringtone when selected people call ? With a multipoint interface matrix , a choice of responses could be made available.I suppose calls from others could make you twitch , fart , or react in other special ways</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The iPhone SDK supports interfacing to external devices.
Who wants to write the Bluetooth App that'll trigger a high or orgasm instead of a ringtone when selected people call?With a multipoint interface matrix, a choice of responses could be made available.I suppose calls from others could make you twitch, fart, or react in other special ways</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30547386</id>
	<title>The Final Circle of Paradise</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261653480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The English translation is titled The Final Circle of Paradise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The English translation is titled The Final Circle of Paradise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The English translation is titled The Final Circle of Paradise.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545478</id>
	<title>Re:"...the glamour of surgical self-improvement...</title>
	<author>rdavidson3</author>
	<datestamp>1261680600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oblig. Simpsons quote.<br> <br>

Dr. Nick: "I'll perform any operation for $129.95!  Come in for brain surgery and receive a free Chinese finger trap!"</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oblig .
Simpsons quote .
Dr. Nick : " I 'll perform any operation for $ 129.95 !
Come in for brain surgery and receive a free Chinese finger trap !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oblig.
Simpsons quote.
Dr. Nick: "I'll perform any operation for $129.95!
Come in for brain surgery and receive a free Chinese finger trap!
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545468</id>
	<title>Already Done in Sci Fi</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261680600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Larry Niven wrote about some thing just like this in Flatlander: The Collected Tales of Gil The Arm Hamilton.  With low current the person would be in perpetual bliss and starve to death just out of reach of food as they wouldn't disconnect.  I can see it happening, would be amazingly addictive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Larry Niven wrote about some thing just like this in Flatlander : The Collected Tales of Gil The Arm Hamilton .
With low current the person would be in perpetual bliss and starve to death just out of reach of food as they would n't disconnect .
I can see it happening , would be amazingly addictive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Larry Niven wrote about some thing just like this in Flatlander: The Collected Tales of Gil The Arm Hamilton.
With low current the person would be in perpetual bliss and starve to death just out of reach of food as they wouldn't disconnect.
I can see it happening, would be amazingly addictive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545454</id>
	<title>suicidal</title>
	<author>gearloos</author>
	<datestamp>1261680360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can see it now in the police blog..."His batteries died and he commited suicide before they could be replaced"</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can see it now in the police blog... " His batteries died and he commited suicide before they could be replaced "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can see it now in the police blog..."His batteries died and he commited suicide before they could be replaced"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545244</id>
	<title>Re:My name is Louis Wu</title>
	<author>Ringthane</author>
	<datestamp>1261678920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And can I have my droud back, please?</p><p>Thanks</p><p>--
BMO</p></div><p>I've got a tasp here to "make your day" till you get your droud back.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And can I have my droud back , please ? Thanks-- BMOI 've got a tasp here to " make your day " till you get your droud back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And can I have my droud back, please?Thanks--
BMOI've got a tasp here to "make your day" till you get your droud back.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546010</id>
	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261683900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>posting anon for obvious reasons</p><p>i'm a professional coder that smokes weed everyday \_to\_ work, you insensitve clod!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>posting anon for obvious reasonsi 'm a professional coder that smokes weed everyday \ _to \ _ work , you insensitve clod !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>posting anon for obvious reasonsi'm a professional coder that smokes weed everyday \_to\_ work, you insensitve clod!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545832</id>
	<title>Re:Normal State</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1261682760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We see that in real life, all around us.  A brother in law finally died after decades of being drunk.  He was only sober on a very rare occasion.  Abusing that liver finally paid off though.  They didn't even consider giving him another liver, because he would have pickled the new one in short order.  Ehhh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We see that in real life , all around us .
A brother in law finally died after decades of being drunk .
He was only sober on a very rare occasion .
Abusing that liver finally paid off though .
They did n't even consider giving him another liver , because he would have pickled the new one in short order .
Ehhh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We see that in real life, all around us.
A brother in law finally died after decades of being drunk.
He was only sober on a very rare occasion.
Abusing that liver finally paid off though.
They didn't even consider giving him another liver, because he would have pickled the new one in short order.
Ehhh.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546648</id>
	<title>Re:Even if cocaine was harmless...</title>
	<author>MadUndergrad</author>
	<datestamp>1261646280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm amused by all the responses to your post. While I almost always disagree with you, this time I see exactly what you're saying and agree with it. The natural state of any living organism is dissatisfaction, with any saisfaction being transient, and this is necessary for survival.</p><p>Personally, I think my brain is wired well enough by now that a little indulgence isn't going to change that for the worse, but if I had kids I would fear that using something like this at too young an age would cause them to develop behavioral patterns that would lead to worse health and long-term success and happiness. The idea that toughing it through various situations builds character makes a lot of sense to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm amused by all the responses to your post .
While I almost always disagree with you , this time I see exactly what you 're saying and agree with it .
The natural state of any living organism is dissatisfaction , with any saisfaction being transient , and this is necessary for survival.Personally , I think my brain is wired well enough by now that a little indulgence is n't going to change that for the worse , but if I had kids I would fear that using something like this at too young an age would cause them to develop behavioral patterns that would lead to worse health and long-term success and happiness .
The idea that toughing it through various situations builds character makes a lot of sense to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm amused by all the responses to your post.
While I almost always disagree with you, this time I see exactly what you're saying and agree with it.
The natural state of any living organism is dissatisfaction, with any saisfaction being transient, and this is necessary for survival.Personally, I think my brain is wired well enough by now that a little indulgence isn't going to change that for the worse, but if I had kids I would fear that using something like this at too young an age would cause them to develop behavioral patterns that would lead to worse health and long-term success and happiness.
The idea that toughing it through various situations builds character makes a lot of sense to me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545412</id>
	<title>Re:"...the glamour of surgical self-improvement...</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1261680060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And if it doesn't, it might win you a Darwin award.</p></div><p>Or you might be a redneck.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And if it does n't , it might win you a Darwin award.Or you might be a redneck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And if it doesn't, it might win you a Darwin award.Or you might be a redneck.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545558</id>
	<title>Re:Even if cocaine was harmless...</title>
	<author>Scrameustache</author>
	<datestamp>1261681140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Consider sex (yes, I said it) &mdash; the intense pleasure most participants derive from it is the reward for the excruciating pains of childbirth and hardships of the childrearing. </p></div><p>fapfapfap</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Consider sex ( yes , I said it )    the intense pleasure most participants derive from it is the reward for the excruciating pains of childbirth and hardships of the childrearing .
fapfapfap</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Consider sex (yes, I said it) — the intense pleasure most participants derive from it is the reward for the excruciating pains of childbirth and hardships of the childrearing.
fapfapfap
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30549638</id>
	<title>Re:Normal State</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261771680000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes it is. The micro-electrodes required for a BCI that Parkinson's patients use are inserted into individual neurons. While they do stimulate the cell with electricity causing an action potential, the neuron communicates with its neighbors *chemically.* If this happens in particular areas of the Basal Ganglia, where addiction/reward stuff is mediated, this can certainly trigger cocaine relapses or compulsive stimulation. This has been tested with in animal models (rats) that could push a button to get a hit, and did so until they died.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes it is .
The micro-electrodes required for a BCI that Parkinson 's patients use are inserted into individual neurons .
While they do stimulate the cell with electricity causing an action potential , the neuron communicates with its neighbors * chemically .
* If this happens in particular areas of the Basal Ganglia , where addiction/reward stuff is mediated , this can certainly trigger cocaine relapses or compulsive stimulation .
This has been tested with in animal models ( rats ) that could push a button to get a hit , and did so until they died .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes it is.
The micro-electrodes required for a BCI that Parkinson's patients use are inserted into individual neurons.
While they do stimulate the cell with electricity causing an action potential, the neuron communicates with its neighbors *chemically.
* If this happens in particular areas of the Basal Ganglia, where addiction/reward stuff is mediated, this can certainly trigger cocaine relapses or compulsive stimulation.
This has been tested with in animal models (rats) that could push a button to get a hit, and did so until they died.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30547888</id>
	<title>Re:My name is Louis Wu</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261657680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fucking wireheads.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fucking wireheads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fucking wireheads.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545744</id>
	<title>Re:Normal State</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1261682160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think that would tend to be the case for chemical stimulation, but when it comes to other means of stimulation, matters of tolerance and resistance are different.  For example, when applying electric potential to cause muscular contractions, they happen every single time.  And barring tissue damage, the effect never goes away or decreases.</p><p>When chemical balances are at play, the tendency to move to balance at "center" is normal.  This is not such a thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that would tend to be the case for chemical stimulation , but when it comes to other means of stimulation , matters of tolerance and resistance are different .
For example , when applying electric potential to cause muscular contractions , they happen every single time .
And barring tissue damage , the effect never goes away or decreases.When chemical balances are at play , the tendency to move to balance at " center " is normal .
This is not such a thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that would tend to be the case for chemical stimulation, but when it comes to other means of stimulation, matters of tolerance and resistance are different.
For example, when applying electric potential to cause muscular contractions, they happen every single time.
And barring tissue damage, the effect never goes away or decreases.When chemical balances are at play, the tendency to move to balance at "center" is normal.
This is not such a thing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545434</id>
	<title>Re:Wireheading a reality?</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1261680180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suspect periodic brain surgery (electrodes in the brain don't work forever) would be far more expensive than buying your drug of choice at its free market value.  Actually, it would probably be more expensive than buying your drug of choice at it's existing market value as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suspect periodic brain surgery ( electrodes in the brain do n't work forever ) would be far more expensive than buying your drug of choice at its free market value .
Actually , it would probably be more expensive than buying your drug of choice at it 's existing market value as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suspect periodic brain surgery (electrodes in the brain don't work forever) would be far more expensive than buying your drug of choice at its free market value.
Actually, it would probably be more expensive than buying your drug of choice at it's existing market value as well.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545920</id>
	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1261683240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't know about anyone else but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moron and doesn't have anything better to do than getting doped up and hanging out and talking with their friends for hours about nothing.</p> </div><p>Most people you know who you say "do drugs" are probably doing pot, which yeah, is not very conducive to doing much productive in most fields anyway.  Caffine is the most widely used stimulant, so I'd argue that most of the people you know are people who do mild stimulants.</p><p>It's worth pointing out that according to one poll<a href="http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/04/20-of-scientist/" title="wired.com"> 20\% of our scientists</a> [wired.com] already take "brain enhancing drugs," like ritalin.  From personal experience I can tell you at least 20\% of graduate students in the sciences and many more senior scientists do recreational drugs too, That portion that uses recreational drugs doesn't completely overlap with the portion that use brain enhancing drugs, and neither are the least productive portions of scientists.</p><p>So that's probably why we're stuck in the stone age, our scientists are too busy being morons and getting high.  Or maybe you just don't really know what you're talking about.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I do n't know about anyone else but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moron and does n't have anything better to do than getting doped up and hanging out and talking with their friends for hours about nothing .
Most people you know who you say " do drugs " are probably doing pot , which yeah , is not very conducive to doing much productive in most fields anyway .
Caffine is the most widely used stimulant , so I 'd argue that most of the people you know are people who do mild stimulants.It 's worth pointing out that according to one poll 20 \ % of our scientists [ wired.com ] already take " brain enhancing drugs , " like ritalin .
From personal experience I can tell you at least 20 \ % of graduate students in the sciences and many more senior scientists do recreational drugs too , That portion that uses recreational drugs does n't completely overlap with the portion that use brain enhancing drugs , and neither are the least productive portions of scientists.So that 's probably why we 're stuck in the stone age , our scientists are too busy being morons and getting high .
Or maybe you just do n't really know what you 're talking about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about anyone else but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moron and doesn't have anything better to do than getting doped up and hanging out and talking with their friends for hours about nothing.
Most people you know who you say "do drugs" are probably doing pot, which yeah, is not very conducive to doing much productive in most fields anyway.
Caffine is the most widely used stimulant, so I'd argue that most of the people you know are people who do mild stimulants.It's worth pointing out that according to one poll 20\% of our scientists [wired.com] already take "brain enhancing drugs," like ritalin.
From personal experience I can tell you at least 20\% of graduate students in the sciences and many more senior scientists do recreational drugs too, That portion that uses recreational drugs doesn't completely overlap with the portion that use brain enhancing drugs, and neither are the least productive portions of scientists.So that's probably why we're stuck in the stone age, our scientists are too busy being morons and getting high.
Or maybe you just don't really know what you're talking about.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546374</id>
	<title>Re:Predicted by the Strugatsky brothers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261687200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's "predatory" things of the times. They show a paradise where people get everything they need without having to work, fight or suffer for it. It turns out that this easy life makes people so deprived of feeling, they need artificial neural simulation. Government provides them some every day, but then someone discovers an easy way to get amazing stimulation so cheaply and easily, that people start using it despite its illegality and start dying in droves. The whole situation there shows that when you make people's lives too easy and comfortable, they start yearning for things that are dangerous and life-threatening.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's " predatory " things of the times .
They show a paradise where people get everything they need without having to work , fight or suffer for it .
It turns out that this easy life makes people so deprived of feeling , they need artificial neural simulation .
Government provides them some every day , but then someone discovers an easy way to get amazing stimulation so cheaply and easily , that people start using it despite its illegality and start dying in droves .
The whole situation there shows that when you make people 's lives too easy and comfortable , they start yearning for things that are dangerous and life-threatening .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's "predatory" things of the times.
They show a paradise where people get everything they need without having to work, fight or suffer for it.
It turns out that this easy life makes people so deprived of feeling, they need artificial neural simulation.
Government provides them some every day, but then someone discovers an easy way to get amazing stimulation so cheaply and easily, that people start using it despite its illegality and start dying in droves.
The whole situation there shows that when you make people's lives too easy and comfortable, they start yearning for things that are dangerous and life-threatening.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545510</id>
	<title>I'm all for it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261680780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm for the legalization of choices that degrade the brain performance of those who makes these choices. It removes competition and increase my market value.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm for the legalization of choices that degrade the brain performance of those who makes these choices .
It removes competition and increase my market value .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm for the legalization of choices that degrade the brain performance of those who makes these choices.
It removes competition and increase my market value.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546228</id>
	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261685820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't know about anyone else</p></div><p>Clearly.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moron and doesn't have anything better to do than getting doped up and hanging out and talking with their friends</p></div><p>Those people would likely be losers anyway. My wife smokes pot every single day. She also graduated college with honors while working 30 hours a week. Go right ahead and tell me she is an unmotivated moron.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I doubt you would want to sit around and read a novel while you are high</p></div><p>So I take it you are not speaking from experience and have no idea what you're talking abut then. I do it all the time, and find it quite enjoyable.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I do n't know about anyone elseClearly.but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moron and does n't have anything better to do than getting doped up and hanging out and talking with their friendsThose people would likely be losers anyway .
My wife smokes pot every single day .
She also graduated college with honors while working 30 hours a week .
Go right ahead and tell me she is an unmotivated moron.I doubt you would want to sit around and read a novel while you are highSo I take it you are not speaking from experience and have no idea what you 're talking abut then .
I do it all the time , and find it quite enjoyable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about anyone elseClearly.but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moron and doesn't have anything better to do than getting doped up and hanging out and talking with their friendsThose people would likely be losers anyway.
My wife smokes pot every single day.
She also graduated college with honors while working 30 hours a week.
Go right ahead and tell me she is an unmotivated moron.I doubt you would want to sit around and read a novel while you are highSo I take it you are not speaking from experience and have no idea what you're talking abut then.
I do it all the time, and find it quite enjoyable.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30566120</id>
	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>ClintJCL</author>
	<datestamp>1261913220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If coffee was banned and removed from every workplace and cupboard tomorrow, you'd see people talking to street dealers pretty quickly. You'd also see it in smokable rock form in a matter of months. And you can bet there'd be some withdrawl fueled road rage the next rush hour.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If coffee was banned and removed from every workplace and cupboard tomorrow , you 'd see people talking to street dealers pretty quickly .
You 'd also see it in smokable rock form in a matter of months .
And you can bet there 'd be some withdrawl fueled road rage the next rush hour .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If coffee was banned and removed from every workplace and cupboard tomorrow, you'd see people talking to street dealers pretty quickly.
You'd also see it in smokable rock form in a matter of months.
And you can bet there'd be some withdrawl fueled road rage the next rush hour.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545336</id>
	<title>Even if cocaine was harmless...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261679640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even if cocaine and other drugs were completely harmless, their ability to give serious but <em>unearned</em> pleasure would seriously warrant their banning. I admit, that this sounds religion-motivated, but that's hardly a drawback of an argument...

</p><p>Consider sex (yes, I said it) &mdash; the intense pleasure most participants derive from it is the reward for the excruciating pains of childbirth and hardships of the childrearing. Contrary to the wide-spread misunderstanding, the mainstream religions want us to have sex &mdash; as much as possible. They just want it <em>all</em> to be for the purpose of reproduction, rather than simple self-indulgence.

</p><p>Now, what is the justification for a cocaine-user's pleasure? What did he do to deserve, what a <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117951/usercomments" title="imdb.com" rel="nofollow">Trainspotting's</a> [imdb.com] character describes as "thousand times the most intense orgasm you've ever experienced"?

</p><p>Of course, one needn't necessarily have earned all the pleasures of life &mdash; as long as one's habits don't interfere with others, one ought to be able to enjoy them. This is an individualist view, and I don't fully disagree. I would, however, be rather wary of such people: I wouldn't want one of them to marry my daughter, for example, as he may decide one day to stop caring for her. I wouldn't want my daughter to become such a person either, because I not only want my own grandchildren, I also want the Humanity to continue to exist (preferably &mdash; my brand of it, the Western Civilization).

</p><p>So, even if cocaine did absolutely no harm to the body by itself &mdash; and the devices in TFA promise the cocaine-like effects without the chemical additiction &mdash; I wouldn't want to be near a user. Not saying, it should be <em>illegal</em>, but certainly <em>frowned upon</em>.

</p><p>I'd suggest, we use these methods on the people either condemned to death for their crimes (capital punishment), or desiring to end their life on their own (suicide)...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if cocaine and other drugs were completely harmless , their ability to give serious but unearned pleasure would seriously warrant their banning .
I admit , that this sounds religion-motivated , but that 's hardly a drawback of an argument.. . Consider sex ( yes , I said it )    the intense pleasure most participants derive from it is the reward for the excruciating pains of childbirth and hardships of the childrearing .
Contrary to the wide-spread misunderstanding , the mainstream religions want us to have sex    as much as possible .
They just want it all to be for the purpose of reproduction , rather than simple self-indulgence .
Now , what is the justification for a cocaine-user 's pleasure ?
What did he do to deserve , what a Trainspotting 's [ imdb.com ] character describes as " thousand times the most intense orgasm you 've ever experienced " ?
Of course , one need n't necessarily have earned all the pleasures of life    as long as one 's habits do n't interfere with others , one ought to be able to enjoy them .
This is an individualist view , and I do n't fully disagree .
I would , however , be rather wary of such people : I would n't want one of them to marry my daughter , for example , as he may decide one day to stop caring for her .
I would n't want my daughter to become such a person either , because I not only want my own grandchildren , I also want the Humanity to continue to exist ( preferably    my brand of it , the Western Civilization ) .
So , even if cocaine did absolutely no harm to the body by itself    and the devices in TFA promise the cocaine-like effects without the chemical additiction    I would n't want to be near a user .
Not saying , it should be illegal , but certainly frowned upon .
I 'd suggest , we use these methods on the people either condemned to death for their crimes ( capital punishment ) , or desiring to end their life on their own ( suicide ) .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if cocaine and other drugs were completely harmless, their ability to give serious but unearned pleasure would seriously warrant their banning.
I admit, that this sounds religion-motivated, but that's hardly a drawback of an argument...

Consider sex (yes, I said it) — the intense pleasure most participants derive from it is the reward for the excruciating pains of childbirth and hardships of the childrearing.
Contrary to the wide-spread misunderstanding, the mainstream religions want us to have sex — as much as possible.
They just want it all to be for the purpose of reproduction, rather than simple self-indulgence.
Now, what is the justification for a cocaine-user's pleasure?
What did he do to deserve, what a Trainspotting's [imdb.com] character describes as "thousand times the most intense orgasm you've ever experienced"?
Of course, one needn't necessarily have earned all the pleasures of life — as long as one's habits don't interfere with others, one ought to be able to enjoy them.
This is an individualist view, and I don't fully disagree.
I would, however, be rather wary of such people: I wouldn't want one of them to marry my daughter, for example, as he may decide one day to stop caring for her.
I wouldn't want my daughter to become such a person either, because I not only want my own grandchildren, I also want the Humanity to continue to exist (preferably — my brand of it, the Western Civilization).
So, even if cocaine did absolutely no harm to the body by itself — and the devices in TFA promise the cocaine-like effects without the chemical additiction — I wouldn't want to be near a user.
Not saying, it should be illegal, but certainly frowned upon.
I'd suggest, we use these methods on the people either condemned to death for their crimes (capital punishment), or desiring to end their life on their own (suicide)...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30551330</id>
	<title>we were warned about this 21 years ago...</title>
	<author>vaporland</author>
	<datestamp>1261762860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5159636661461723061" title="google.com">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5159636661461723061</a> [google.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //video.google.com/videoplay ? docid = -5159636661461723061 [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5159636661461723061 [google.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546298</id>
	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>pwfffff</author>
	<datestamp>1261686540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, all those stupid potheads. They can only ASPIRE to sit on their ass and post to slashdot. You, however, have truly have conquered life, and anyone who chooses another route certainly must be a moron.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , all those stupid potheads .
They can only ASPIRE to sit on their ass and post to slashdot .
You , however , have truly have conquered life , and anyone who chooses another route certainly must be a moron .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, all those stupid potheads.
They can only ASPIRE to sit on their ass and post to slashdot.
You, however, have truly have conquered life, and anyone who chooses another route certainly must be a moron.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545116</id>
	<title>My name is Louis Wu</title>
	<author>bmo</author>
	<datestamp>1261678140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And can I have my droud back, please?</p><p>Thanks</p><p>--<br>BMO</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And can I have my droud back , please ? Thanks--BMO</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And can I have my droud back, please?Thanks--BMO</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30547538</id>
	<title>Re:The real high</title>
	<author>psithurism</author>
	<datestamp>1261654680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>would be just feeling motivated, happy and loved all the time. That's the areas of the brain to stim.</p></div><p>And the obedience area as well, thats another good spot. Happy, motivated, loved, obedient masses, no crime, unbelievable productivity, no unhappiness or loneliness, a perfect future is sooner than we think.</p></div>
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<tokenext>would be just feeling motivated , happy and loved all the time .
That 's the areas of the brain to stim.And the obedience area as well , thats another good spot .
Happy , motivated , loved , obedient masses , no crime , unbelievable productivity , no unhappiness or loneliness , a perfect future is sooner than we think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>would be just feeling motivated, happy and loved all the time.
That's the areas of the brain to stim.And the obedience area as well, thats another good spot.
Happy, motivated, loved, obedient masses, no crime, unbelievable productivity, no unhappiness or loneliness, a perfect future is sooner than we think.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30548574</id>
	<title>Re:Normal State</title>
	<author>srollyson</author>
	<datestamp>1261667400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To paraphrase the Tao Te Ching:<blockquote><div><p>One only knows what music is because it doesn't sound like noise.</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>To paraphrase the Tao Te Ching : One only knows what music is because it does n't sound like noise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To paraphrase the Tao Te Ching:One only knows what music is because it doesn't sound like noise.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545976</id>
	<title>This is Ghost in the Shell</title>
	<author>socz</author>
	<datestamp>1261683660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I love that series because that is how life could be some day and more than likely will be some day!
<br> <br>
Here are some things it covers:
<br>
Augmented brains - These give normal (natural) humans an "E-Brain" which allows them many digital advances.
<br>
Artificial appendages - For get that old peg leg pirate, that plastic manikin arm, or even that special Olympics bouncy leg/ankle/foot thingy! In the future we'll have straight out robocop style arms and legs!
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Last but not least - implants! Oh yeah, not the sexy time, but the able to hack into other people's eyes and see what they're seeing implants! Yeah, get your eye balls replaced with artificial ones that have zoom built in! How about some that have different type's of filters? Such as infra red, just like the predator has! Finally, you'll have the people who'll have jammers, so make sure you don't get that cheap chinese stuff!
<br> <br>

As mentioned above, the black market is/will be huge for this sort of thing, so you could very well get what you pay for, something they take into consideration in GITS... you get cheap shit, people with better equipment (govt/military) can hack/disrupt/nullify your devices (eyes, arms, body etc).
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I totally see this happening. Who wouldn't want to have an e-brain? You can now store all your files in you! No worry about needing to remember things, just go diving around in your e-brain! But you better have a good firewall set up because you don't want to get hacked to mess yourself at the holiday party...
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It'll take a long time but it will help life be a lot better. I would guess that it could possibly help some people like my grandma who's 93 (2 days ago!) and has Alzheimer's. Maybe it could have given her 15-20 years of life more worth living than not knowing who anyone is except at random moments in time. One can only hope right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I love that series because that is how life could be some day and more than likely will be some day !
Here are some things it covers : Augmented brains - These give normal ( natural ) humans an " E-Brain " which allows them many digital advances .
Artificial appendages - For get that old peg leg pirate , that plastic manikin arm , or even that special Olympics bouncy leg/ankle/foot thingy !
In the future we 'll have straight out robocop style arms and legs !
Last but not least - implants !
Oh yeah , not the sexy time , but the able to hack into other people 's eyes and see what they 're seeing implants !
Yeah , get your eye balls replaced with artificial ones that have zoom built in !
How about some that have different type 's of filters ?
Such as infra red , just like the predator has !
Finally , you 'll have the people who 'll have jammers , so make sure you do n't get that cheap chinese stuff !
As mentioned above , the black market is/will be huge for this sort of thing , so you could very well get what you pay for , something they take into consideration in GITS... you get cheap shit , people with better equipment ( govt/military ) can hack/disrupt/nullify your devices ( eyes , arms , body etc ) .
I totally see this happening .
Who would n't want to have an e-brain ?
You can now store all your files in you !
No worry about needing to remember things , just go diving around in your e-brain !
But you better have a good firewall set up because you do n't want to get hacked to mess yourself at the holiday party.. . It 'll take a long time but it will help life be a lot better .
I would guess that it could possibly help some people like my grandma who 's 93 ( 2 days ago !
) and has Alzheimer 's .
Maybe it could have given her 15-20 years of life more worth living than not knowing who anyone is except at random moments in time .
One can only hope right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love that series because that is how life could be some day and more than likely will be some day!
Here are some things it covers:

Augmented brains - These give normal (natural) humans an "E-Brain" which allows them many digital advances.
Artificial appendages - For get that old peg leg pirate, that plastic manikin arm, or even that special Olympics bouncy leg/ankle/foot thingy!
In the future we'll have straight out robocop style arms and legs!
Last but not least - implants!
Oh yeah, not the sexy time, but the able to hack into other people's eyes and see what they're seeing implants!
Yeah, get your eye balls replaced with artificial ones that have zoom built in!
How about some that have different type's of filters?
Such as infra red, just like the predator has!
Finally, you'll have the people who'll have jammers, so make sure you don't get that cheap chinese stuff!
As mentioned above, the black market is/will be huge for this sort of thing, so you could very well get what you pay for, something they take into consideration in GITS... you get cheap shit, people with better equipment (govt/military) can hack/disrupt/nullify your devices (eyes, arms, body etc).
I totally see this happening.
Who wouldn't want to have an e-brain?
You can now store all your files in you!
No worry about needing to remember things, just go diving around in your e-brain!
But you better have a good firewall set up because you don't want to get hacked to mess yourself at the holiday party...
 
It'll take a long time but it will help life be a lot better.
I would guess that it could possibly help some people like my grandma who's 93 (2 days ago!
) and has Alzheimer's.
Maybe it could have given her 15-20 years of life more worth living than not knowing who anyone is except at random moments in time.
One can only hope right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30547150</id>
	<title>Re:My name is Louis Wu</title>
	<author>Logrusweaver</author>
	<datestamp>1261651320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Certainly Louis...you have to TAKE IT AWAY from Chmee over there...and you are in luck...he's smiling!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Certainly Louis...you have to TAKE IT AWAY from Chmee over there...and you are in luck...he 's smiling !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Certainly Louis...you have to TAKE IT AWAY from Chmee over there...and you are in luck...he's smiling!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545630</id>
	<title>Re:"...the glamour of surgical self-improvement...</title>
	<author>Dachannien</author>
	<datestamp>1261681560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b>Peter:</b> Egon, this reminds me of the time you tried to drill a hole in your head.  Remember that?<br><b>Egon:</b> That would have worked if you hadn't stopped me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Peter : Egon , this reminds me of the time you tried to drill a hole in your head .
Remember that ? Egon : That would have worked if you had n't stopped me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Peter: Egon, this reminds me of the time you tried to drill a hole in your head.
Remember that?Egon: That would have worked if you hadn't stopped me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546242</id>
	<title>Re:My name is Louis Wu</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1261686000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> Lost it while checking out the batteries in the previous story?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lost it while checking out the batteries in the previous story ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Lost it while checking out the batteries in the previous story?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546054</id>
	<title>Re:Even if cocaine was harmless...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261684320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If xbox live is any indicator, the next generation has already lost all humanity.  Might as well drug them more effectively.</p><p>Geneva Convention Five: Teabagging in Relation to Severity of Ownage Distributed</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If xbox live is any indicator , the next generation has already lost all humanity .
Might as well drug them more effectively.Geneva Convention Five : Teabagging in Relation to Severity of Ownage Distributed</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If xbox live is any indicator, the next generation has already lost all humanity.
Might as well drug them more effectively.Geneva Convention Five: Teabagging in Relation to Severity of Ownage Distributed</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30548374</id>
	<title>I have a stim...</title>
	<author>Wyatt Earp</author>
	<datestamp>1261663620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To treat nerve pain and Trigeminal neuralgia. Its a Medtronics and it's mounted pretty high up my spine, C-1, C-2 and C-3. Its mounted in my chest, right over my heart with wires across my chest through my shoulder and to my spine.</p><p>From my experience, it's not going to become a "niche cosmetic neurostim market", not for say 10-15 years. They are bulky, the wires are thick and I lost 30\% strength and 40\% of my mobility in the shoulder the wires run through.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To treat nerve pain and Trigeminal neuralgia .
Its a Medtronics and it 's mounted pretty high up my spine , C-1 , C-2 and C-3 .
Its mounted in my chest , right over my heart with wires across my chest through my shoulder and to my spine.From my experience , it 's not going to become a " niche cosmetic neurostim market " , not for say 10-15 years .
They are bulky , the wires are thick and I lost 30 \ % strength and 40 \ % of my mobility in the shoulder the wires run through .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To treat nerve pain and Trigeminal neuralgia.
Its a Medtronics and it's mounted pretty high up my spine, C-1, C-2 and C-3.
Its mounted in my chest, right over my heart with wires across my chest through my shoulder and to my spine.From my experience, it's not going to become a "niche cosmetic neurostim market", not for say 10-15 years.
They are bulky, the wires are thick and I lost 30\% strength and 40\% of my mobility in the shoulder the wires run through.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545378</id>
	<title>Re:Screw making me happy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261679880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Screw making me happy, I can do that myself. Make one that stops me being lazy, I'll buy it in a second.</p></div><p>Or maybe you won't. You know, maybe you'll do it tomorrow... It's not really like there's any rush...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Screw making me happy , I can do that myself .
Make one that stops me being lazy , I 'll buy it in a second.Or maybe you wo n't .
You know , maybe you 'll do it tomorrow... It 's not really like there 's any rush.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Screw making me happy, I can do that myself.
Make one that stops me being lazy, I'll buy it in a second.Or maybe you won't.
You know, maybe you'll do it tomorrow... It's not really like there's any rush...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545288</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30547062</id>
	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1261650600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Most people you know who you say "do drugs" are probably doing pot, which yeah, is not very conducive to doing much productive in most fields anyway."</p><p>Don't smoke before or at work.<br>In the 1970s I smoked like a steam locomotive and so did nearly every young person I knew. That's what evenings and weekends were for, just as with recreational drinking. What's impressive is the LACK of negative effects in such a multi-million consumer pool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Most people you know who you say " do drugs " are probably doing pot , which yeah , is not very conducive to doing much productive in most fields anyway .
" Do n't smoke before or at work.In the 1970s I smoked like a steam locomotive and so did nearly every young person I knew .
That 's what evenings and weekends were for , just as with recreational drinking .
What 's impressive is the LACK of negative effects in such a multi-million consumer pool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Most people you know who you say "do drugs" are probably doing pot, which yeah, is not very conducive to doing much productive in most fields anyway.
"Don't smoke before or at work.In the 1970s I smoked like a steam locomotive and so did nearly every young person I knew.
That's what evenings and weekends were for, just as with recreational drinking.
What's impressive is the LACK of negative effects in such a multi-million consumer pool.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545456</id>
	<title>Why wait?</title>
	<author>McGiraf</author>
	<datestamp>1261680420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>Why wait for neurostim to deal with drugs this way? think about it.</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why wait for neurostim to deal with drugs this way ?
think about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why wait for neurostim to deal with drugs this way?
think about it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545136</id>
	<title>Stimpacks... hmmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261678260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll be able to move faster, do more damage, and take more damage, all at a small cost of my health?</p><p>Fire it up!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll be able to move faster , do more damage , and take more damage , all at a small cost of my health ? Fire it up !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll be able to move faster, do more damage, and take more damage, all at a small cost of my health?Fire it up!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545122</id>
	<title>New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>Sirusjr</author>
	<datestamp>1261678200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know about anyone else but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moron and doesn't have anything better to do than getting doped up and hanging out and talking with their friends for hours about nothing.  I fail to see how this will be useful for anyone else because I doubt you would want to sit around and read a novel while you are high whether its from drugs or some brain simulation.  Now won't you kids get off my lawn so I can sit here peacefully and read a book on my vacation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about anyone else but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moron and does n't have anything better to do than getting doped up and hanging out and talking with their friends for hours about nothing .
I fail to see how this will be useful for anyone else because I doubt you would want to sit around and read a novel while you are high whether its from drugs or some brain simulation .
Now wo n't you kids get off my lawn so I can sit here peacefully and read a book on my vacation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about anyone else but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moron and doesn't have anything better to do than getting doped up and hanging out and talking with their friends for hours about nothing.
I fail to see how this will be useful for anyone else because I doubt you would want to sit around and read a novel while you are high whether its from drugs or some brain simulation.
Now won't you kids get off my lawn so I can sit here peacefully and read a book on my vacation.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546080</id>
	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261684500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Such a stereotype, spoken like someone who doesn't know anyone who uses recreational drugs, or doesn't know which of their friends do.</p><p>Of course straight edgers like yourself will see drug users as morons.  If you actually knew how many perfectly normal, functional members of society get high, and how many of them you knew, you would sing a different tune.</p><p>Drug users just like gays and Muslims.  They're a lot easier to look down on when you aren't one and you don't think you know any.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Such a stereotype , spoken like someone who does n't know anyone who uses recreational drugs , or does n't know which of their friends do.Of course straight edgers like yourself will see drug users as morons .
If you actually knew how many perfectly normal , functional members of society get high , and how many of them you knew , you would sing a different tune.Drug users just like gays and Muslims .
They 're a lot easier to look down on when you are n't one and you do n't think you know any .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Such a stereotype, spoken like someone who doesn't know anyone who uses recreational drugs, or doesn't know which of their friends do.Of course straight edgers like yourself will see drug users as morons.
If you actually knew how many perfectly normal, functional members of society get high, and how many of them you knew, you would sing a different tune.Drug users just like gays and Muslims.
They're a lot easier to look down on when you aren't one and you don't think you know any.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545368</id>
	<title>Re:Screw making me happy</title>
	<author>bakawolf</author>
	<datestamp>1261679820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>..or at least once you got around to it, right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>..or at least once you got around to it , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..or at least once you got around to it, right?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30547310</id>
	<title>Re:"...the glamour of surgical self-improvement...</title>
	<author>negRo\_slim</author>
	<datestamp>1261652760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You mean like this?</p><p> <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/651892.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/651892.stm</a> [bbc.co.uk] </p></div><p>Oh my god....</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean like this ?
http : //news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/651892.stm [ bbc.co.uk ] Oh my god... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean like this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/651892.stm [bbc.co.uk] Oh my god....
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545882</id>
	<title>Re:Even if cocaine was harmless...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261683060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you want to be so ephemeral on this topic, then I will attempt to explain things in that light...  What you are alluding to is a desire to not let people "fall into hell."  You see people that might sentence themselves to a life of torment via addiction, and see it as the wrong decision.  You want to save people from falling into their own hell of drug addiction.  Stop and think for a minute though: was Jesus even capable of this feat?  Answer: No.  Not even God Himself is willing to take away humans free will to save people from their own hell.  Now stop trying to play God and save people from their hells.  People must grow and <i>know</i> these lessons, not just merely <i>learn</i> them.<br>Almost all the negative comments you've gotten are because of the above statement, in that you are being self-righteous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want to be so ephemeral on this topic , then I will attempt to explain things in that light... What you are alluding to is a desire to not let people " fall into hell .
" You see people that might sentence themselves to a life of torment via addiction , and see it as the wrong decision .
You want to save people from falling into their own hell of drug addiction .
Stop and think for a minute though : was Jesus even capable of this feat ?
Answer : No .
Not even God Himself is willing to take away humans free will to save people from their own hell .
Now stop trying to play God and save people from their hells .
People must grow and know these lessons , not just merely learn them.Almost all the negative comments you 've gotten are because of the above statement , in that you are being self-righteous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want to be so ephemeral on this topic, then I will attempt to explain things in that light...  What you are alluding to is a desire to not let people "fall into hell.
"  You see people that might sentence themselves to a life of torment via addiction, and see it as the wrong decision.
You want to save people from falling into their own hell of drug addiction.
Stop and think for a minute though: was Jesus even capable of this feat?
Answer: No.
Not even God Himself is willing to take away humans free will to save people from their own hell.
Now stop trying to play God and save people from their hells.
People must grow and know these lessons, not just merely learn them.Almost all the negative comments you've gotten are because of the above statement, in that you are being self-righteous.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546372</id>
	<title>Re:Even if cocaine was harmless...</title>
	<author>smallfries</author>
	<datestamp>1261687140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do you think that you are qualified to give an opinion on drugs when you don't seem to know the difference between cocaine and heroin? Although they are both class A drugs they are at opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to their effect on users. Trainspotting would have been a very different film if it was about a bunch of Scottish coke fiends. I'm curious as in most other domains in life opinions not backed up by any solid experience in the area would be seen as largely superficial.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do you think that you are qualified to give an opinion on drugs when you do n't seem to know the difference between cocaine and heroin ?
Although they are both class A drugs they are at opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to their effect on users .
Trainspotting would have been a very different film if it was about a bunch of Scottish coke fiends .
I 'm curious as in most other domains in life opinions not backed up by any solid experience in the area would be seen as largely superficial .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do you think that you are qualified to give an opinion on drugs when you don't seem to know the difference between cocaine and heroin?
Although they are both class A drugs they are at opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to their effect on users.
Trainspotting would have been a very different film if it was about a bunch of Scottish coke fiends.
I'm curious as in most other domains in life opinions not backed up by any solid experience in the area would be seen as largely superficial.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30548252</id>
	<title>Re:Screw making me happy</title>
	<author>Hortensia Patel</author>
	<datestamp>1261661880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Screw making me happy, I can do that myself.</i></p><p>Really? Any chance you could share the secret with the rest of us?</p><p>I mean, laziness I could live with. If I'm happy, why would I care?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Screw making me happy , I can do that myself.Really ?
Any chance you could share the secret with the rest of us ? I mean , laziness I could live with .
If I 'm happy , why would I care ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Screw making me happy, I can do that myself.Really?
Any chance you could share the secret with the rest of us?I mean, laziness I could live with.
If I'm happy, why would I care?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545288</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30547246</id>
	<title>Re:Predicted by the Strugatsky brothers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261652220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also sounds similar to <a href="http://aofisonfire.blogspot.com/2007/08/euphio-question.html" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Euphio Question</a> [blogspot.com] by Kurt Vonnegut.  Basically a radio frequency is discovered that puts people into a euphoric stupor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also sounds similar to Euphio Question [ blogspot.com ] by Kurt Vonnegut .
Basically a radio frequency is discovered that puts people into a euphoric stupor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also sounds similar to Euphio Question [blogspot.com] by Kurt Vonnegut.
Basically a radio frequency is discovered that puts people into a euphoric stupor.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:"...the glamour of surgical self-improvement...</title>
	<author>VoxMagis</author>
	<datestamp>1261681200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean like this?</p><p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/651892.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/651892.stm</a> [bbc.co.uk]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean like this ? http : //news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/651892.stm [ bbc.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean like this?http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/651892.stm [bbc.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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	<title>More Complete BS From h+</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1261683900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Let's just start with part of the headline material:</p><p>" 'The same neurostim device that uses electric impulses from a brain implant to treat people with Parkinson's Disease can be tweaked by a few millimeters and pulse rates to make cocaine addicts feel like they are high all the time..."</p><p>This (and TFA) is from "James Kent is the former publisher of Psychedelic Illuminations and Trip Magazine. He currently edits DoseNation.com, a drug blog featuring news, humor and commentary."</p><p>Hardly your neuroscience expert, or even much of an educated amateur. Educated enough to be dangerous to his own reputation perhaps. We can hope.</p><p>Where Mr. Kent goes wrong is in thinking the stimulator used for Parky's can stimulate other parts of the same structure (within a "few millimeters), the Substantia Nigra, which produced dopamine which is also released in cocaine use, and that this is the reward center, so that doing so makes one feel high.</p><p>The common misconception is based on the "reward" aspect, and confusion of cause and effect with respect to drug use. The reward system operates in the manner of conditioning or learning, in that its output helps to produce the association between a behavior and a reinforcer. Let's just assume for maximum illustration that the reinforcer here is a cocaine high. We have the drug taking behavior, and we have the cocaine high resulting. The dopamine system puts on the brakes with respect to ongoing seeking/investigating and lets the organism maintain focused attention on the object that produced the positive feeling -- it makes reinforcement possible. Note that it does not cause the high, the reinforcer does that. There are many reinforcers that can make learning occur, and most of them do not cause any sort of high. Just because cocaine causes a release of dopamine does not mean this is the source of the high. No, this is the source of the powerful reinforcement that causes addiction to start. Dopamine does not act as a "reward", it allows a reinforcer to do so effectively regardless of any psychotropic effects. It is the cascade of various neurotransmitters that causes the high. Evidence of this is found in the effect of pramipexole (Mirapex) on people. It is a selective dopaminergic and does not cause any high. But it does (at a high enough dosage) cause obsessive/compulsive use and behaviors much as an addiction and related activities.</p><p>Moving a Parky's stimulator will not produce a high, but it might produce the problems related to addiction.</p><p>I've previously pointed out the lack of facts in h+ articles, and the preponderance of fiction. This article starts out with the latter. Check the rest of it for yourself to see if there are any reliable facts actually taken from known science, or whether they are other common misconceptions put to service to fill white space.</p><p>As for cognitive enhancing drugs, amphetamines and such are behavior boosters, not capable of producing long term cognitive enhancement, unless by enhancement one means seeking more of the same. Cognitive enhancing drugs (nootropics) have been around for over 50 years. The first, hydergine, is the red headed step child of the man who called LSD "My Problem Child", Albert Hoffman. There are many such drugs in use throughout the world except for the US where they are allowed only in the cases where they will not help -- severe progressive dementia. In contract with the very lucrative drugs typically used as congitive enhancers, nootropics have very little side effects or interactions.</p><p>In the cases where cognitiion enhancement is possible, anything related to intoxication is contraindicated and counterproductive. Confusing "reward" with getting high, when it is intended only to related to learning reinforcement is key to understanding this. It is also key to determining whether the source is intent on getting smart or getting high, because the latter refuse to give up on the misconception.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's just start with part of the headline material : " 'The same neurostim device that uses electric impulses from a brain implant to treat people with Parkinson 's Disease can be tweaked by a few millimeters and pulse rates to make cocaine addicts feel like they are high all the time... " This ( and TFA ) is from " James Kent is the former publisher of Psychedelic Illuminations and Trip Magazine .
He currently edits DoseNation.com , a drug blog featuring news , humor and commentary .
" Hardly your neuroscience expert , or even much of an educated amateur .
Educated enough to be dangerous to his own reputation perhaps .
We can hope.Where Mr. Kent goes wrong is in thinking the stimulator used for Parky 's can stimulate other parts of the same structure ( within a " few millimeters ) , the Substantia Nigra , which produced dopamine which is also released in cocaine use , and that this is the reward center , so that doing so makes one feel high.The common misconception is based on the " reward " aspect , and confusion of cause and effect with respect to drug use .
The reward system operates in the manner of conditioning or learning , in that its output helps to produce the association between a behavior and a reinforcer .
Let 's just assume for maximum illustration that the reinforcer here is a cocaine high .
We have the drug taking behavior , and we have the cocaine high resulting .
The dopamine system puts on the brakes with respect to ongoing seeking/investigating and lets the organism maintain focused attention on the object that produced the positive feeling -- it makes reinforcement possible .
Note that it does not cause the high , the reinforcer does that .
There are many reinforcers that can make learning occur , and most of them do not cause any sort of high .
Just because cocaine causes a release of dopamine does not mean this is the source of the high .
No , this is the source of the powerful reinforcement that causes addiction to start .
Dopamine does not act as a " reward " , it allows a reinforcer to do so effectively regardless of any psychotropic effects .
It is the cascade of various neurotransmitters that causes the high .
Evidence of this is found in the effect of pramipexole ( Mirapex ) on people .
It is a selective dopaminergic and does not cause any high .
But it does ( at a high enough dosage ) cause obsessive/compulsive use and behaviors much as an addiction and related activities.Moving a Parky 's stimulator will not produce a high , but it might produce the problems related to addiction.I 've previously pointed out the lack of facts in h + articles , and the preponderance of fiction .
This article starts out with the latter .
Check the rest of it for yourself to see if there are any reliable facts actually taken from known science , or whether they are other common misconceptions put to service to fill white space.As for cognitive enhancing drugs , amphetamines and such are behavior boosters , not capable of producing long term cognitive enhancement , unless by enhancement one means seeking more of the same .
Cognitive enhancing drugs ( nootropics ) have been around for over 50 years .
The first , hydergine , is the red headed step child of the man who called LSD " My Problem Child " , Albert Hoffman .
There are many such drugs in use throughout the world except for the US where they are allowed only in the cases where they will not help -- severe progressive dementia .
In contract with the very lucrative drugs typically used as congitive enhancers , nootropics have very little side effects or interactions.In the cases where cognitiion enhancement is possible , anything related to intoxication is contraindicated and counterproductive .
Confusing " reward " with getting high , when it is intended only to related to learning reinforcement is key to understanding this .
It is also key to determining whether the source is intent on getting smart or getting high , because the latter refuse to give up on the misconception .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's just start with part of the headline material:" 'The same neurostim device that uses electric impulses from a brain implant to treat people with Parkinson's Disease can be tweaked by a few millimeters and pulse rates to make cocaine addicts feel like they are high all the time..."This (and TFA) is from "James Kent is the former publisher of Psychedelic Illuminations and Trip Magazine.
He currently edits DoseNation.com, a drug blog featuring news, humor and commentary.
"Hardly your neuroscience expert, or even much of an educated amateur.
Educated enough to be dangerous to his own reputation perhaps.
We can hope.Where Mr. Kent goes wrong is in thinking the stimulator used for Parky's can stimulate other parts of the same structure (within a "few millimeters), the Substantia Nigra, which produced dopamine which is also released in cocaine use, and that this is the reward center, so that doing so makes one feel high.The common misconception is based on the "reward" aspect, and confusion of cause and effect with respect to drug use.
The reward system operates in the manner of conditioning or learning, in that its output helps to produce the association between a behavior and a reinforcer.
Let's just assume for maximum illustration that the reinforcer here is a cocaine high.
We have the drug taking behavior, and we have the cocaine high resulting.
The dopamine system puts on the brakes with respect to ongoing seeking/investigating and lets the organism maintain focused attention on the object that produced the positive feeling -- it makes reinforcement possible.
Note that it does not cause the high, the reinforcer does that.
There are many reinforcers that can make learning occur, and most of them do not cause any sort of high.
Just because cocaine causes a release of dopamine does not mean this is the source of the high.
No, this is the source of the powerful reinforcement that causes addiction to start.
Dopamine does not act as a "reward", it allows a reinforcer to do so effectively regardless of any psychotropic effects.
It is the cascade of various neurotransmitters that causes the high.
Evidence of this is found in the effect of pramipexole (Mirapex) on people.
It is a selective dopaminergic and does not cause any high.
But it does (at a high enough dosage) cause obsessive/compulsive use and behaviors much as an addiction and related activities.Moving a Parky's stimulator will not produce a high, but it might produce the problems related to addiction.I've previously pointed out the lack of facts in h+ articles, and the preponderance of fiction.
This article starts out with the latter.
Check the rest of it for yourself to see if there are any reliable facts actually taken from known science, or whether they are other common misconceptions put to service to fill white space.As for cognitive enhancing drugs, amphetamines and such are behavior boosters, not capable of producing long term cognitive enhancement, unless by enhancement one means seeking more of the same.
Cognitive enhancing drugs (nootropics) have been around for over 50 years.
The first, hydergine, is the red headed step child of the man who called LSD "My Problem Child", Albert Hoffman.
There are many such drugs in use throughout the world except for the US where they are allowed only in the cases where they will not help -- severe progressive dementia.
In contract with the very lucrative drugs typically used as congitive enhancers, nootropics have very little side effects or interactions.In the cases where cognitiion enhancement is possible, anything related to intoxication is contraindicated and counterproductive.
Confusing "reward" with getting high, when it is intended only to related to learning reinforcement is key to understanding this.
It is also key to determining whether the source is intent on getting smart or getting high, because the latter refuse to give up on the misconception.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:"...the glamour of surgical self-improvement...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261686300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'Burn out' gets a whole new meaning, even without some do-it-yourself brain surgery.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'Burn out ' gets a whole new meaning , even without some do-it-yourself brain surgery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'Burn out' gets a whole new meaning, even without some do-it-yourself brain surgery.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30550144</id>
	<title>Don't be a fool.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261741200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX-c2zVBKh4" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">Go easy on your EBEs.</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Go easy on your EBEs .
[ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go easy on your EBEs.
[youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546514</id>
	<title>Re:Even if cocaine was harmless...</title>
	<author>m.ducharme</author>
	<datestamp>1261688160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I admit, that this sounds religion-motivated, but that's hardly a drawback of an argument...</p></div><p>Yes it is, because arguing from religion isn't argument. It's taking a stand based on faith. You're free to take such a stand, but you are not free to impose your faith on me, either through the force of law or through social manipulation. At all. You can frown all you want, but that's about it.</p><p>If you want to make an argument for your position, use reason, not faith, because I don't share that faith.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I admit , that this sounds religion-motivated , but that 's hardly a drawback of an argument...Yes it is , because arguing from religion is n't argument .
It 's taking a stand based on faith .
You 're free to take such a stand , but you are not free to impose your faith on me , either through the force of law or through social manipulation .
At all .
You can frown all you want , but that 's about it.If you want to make an argument for your position , use reason , not faith , because I do n't share that faith .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I admit, that this sounds religion-motivated, but that's hardly a drawback of an argument...Yes it is, because arguing from religion isn't argument.
It's taking a stand based on faith.
You're free to take such a stand, but you are not free to impose your faith on me, either through the force of law or through social manipulation.
At all.
You can frown all you want, but that's about it.If you want to make an argument for your position, use reason, not faith, because I don't share that faith.
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	<title>Normal State of Ubermentality.</title>
	<author>dwulf</author>
	<datestamp>1261678620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Curious if this could be the steroids of competitive academia?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Curious if this could be the steroids of competitive academia ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Curious if this could be the steroids of competitive academia?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:"...the glamour of surgical self-improvement...</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1261764960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You my label me psycho for saying this, but I think that it is difficult to get serious brain damage by putting a needle in the wrong place. Unless you cut a big vein on the surface, I think that playing spiky-touchy with the brain itself isn't that much of a problem.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You my label me psycho for saying this , but I think that it is difficult to get serious brain damage by putting a needle in the wrong place .
Unless you cut a big vein on the surface , I think that playing spiky-touchy with the brain itself is n't that much of a problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You my label me psycho for saying this, but I think that it is difficult to get serious brain damage by putting a needle in the wrong place.
Unless you cut a big vein on the surface, I think that playing spiky-touchy with the brain itself isn't that much of a problem.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261679760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><i>hanging out and talking with their friends for hours about nothing</i></p><p>You know, all those non-geeks thinks the basement dwelling nerds that doesn't talk to their friends are the weirdos.  Go figure, huh.</p><p>Don't be so quick to judge.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>hanging out and talking with their friends for hours about nothingYou know , all those non-geeks thinks the basement dwelling nerds that does n't talk to their friends are the weirdos .
Go figure , huh.Do n't be so quick to judge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hanging out and talking with their friends for hours about nothingYou know, all those non-geeks thinks the basement dwelling nerds that doesn't talk to their friends are the weirdos.
Go figure, huh.Don't be so quick to judge.</sentencetext>
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	<title>how is that news?</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1261650840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>People have been able to stimulate the pleasure center electrically for decades, and the necessary electronics weren't that large even a few decades ago.  People don't implant electrodes into their pleasure centers because (1) it's not good for them, (2) they can't do it themselves and surgeons won't do it for them, and (3) brain surgery isn't much fun.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People have been able to stimulate the pleasure center electrically for decades , and the necessary electronics were n't that large even a few decades ago .
People do n't implant electrodes into their pleasure centers because ( 1 ) it 's not good for them , ( 2 ) they ca n't do it themselves and surgeons wo n't do it for them , and ( 3 ) brain surgery is n't much fun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People have been able to stimulate the pleasure center electrically for decades, and the necessary electronics weren't that large even a few decades ago.
People don't implant electrodes into their pleasure centers because (1) it's not good for them, (2) they can't do it themselves and surgeons won't do it for them, and (3) brain surgery isn't much fun.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Even if cocaine was harmless...</title>
	<author>speedlaw</author>
	<datestamp>1261684860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Why is pleasure considered bad ?  Yes, certain routes to it will carry self-destruction, even if that is due to illegality or a lack of knowledge.  Still, that's not usually considered reasons to ban it (eg tobacco, alcohol) and the drugs that are banned tend to be banned for other reasons (cannabis, etc).  Often the problem is due to the illegality itself (dirty needles=HIV).  Some folks chase that rabbit forever and end up drunks...but the vast majority don't.

I enjoy hiking, swimming in the ocean, and fresh baked muffins.  I could fall, drown or die of clogged arteries, but if careful, nothing bad will happen.

Assuming the neuro stim didn't "burn out" your brain (or at least less than any chemical stimulation) the fact that it might be fun means you should ban it ?  I don't share your world view.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is pleasure considered bad ?
Yes , certain routes to it will carry self-destruction , even if that is due to illegality or a lack of knowledge .
Still , that 's not usually considered reasons to ban it ( eg tobacco , alcohol ) and the drugs that are banned tend to be banned for other reasons ( cannabis , etc ) .
Often the problem is due to the illegality itself ( dirty needles = HIV ) .
Some folks chase that rabbit forever and end up drunks...but the vast majority do n't .
I enjoy hiking , swimming in the ocean , and fresh baked muffins .
I could fall , drown or die of clogged arteries , but if careful , nothing bad will happen .
Assuming the neuro stim did n't " burn out " your brain ( or at least less than any chemical stimulation ) the fact that it might be fun means you should ban it ?
I do n't share your world view .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is pleasure considered bad ?
Yes, certain routes to it will carry self-destruction, even if that is due to illegality or a lack of knowledge.
Still, that's not usually considered reasons to ban it (eg tobacco, alcohol) and the drugs that are banned tend to be banned for other reasons (cannabis, etc).
Often the problem is due to the illegality itself (dirty needles=HIV).
Some folks chase that rabbit forever and end up drunks...but the vast majority don't.
I enjoy hiking, swimming in the ocean, and fresh baked muffins.
I could fall, drown or die of clogged arteries, but if careful, nothing bad will happen.
Assuming the neuro stim didn't "burn out" your brain (or at least less than any chemical stimulation) the fact that it might be fun means you should ban it ?
I don't share your world view.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545050</id>
	<title>"...the glamour of surgical self-improvement..."</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261677780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are suggesting do-it-yourself brain surgery?  I guess that would be "glamourous".  If it works.  And if it doesn't, it might win you a Darwin award.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are suggesting do-it-yourself brain surgery ?
I guess that would be " glamourous " .
If it works .
And if it does n't , it might win you a Darwin award .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are suggesting do-it-yourself brain surgery?
I guess that would be "glamourous".
If it works.
And if it doesn't, it might win you a Darwin award.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>nacturation</author>
	<datestamp>1261645320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't know about anyone else but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moron and doesn't have anything better to do than getting doped up and hanging out and talking with their friends for hours about nothing.  I fail to see how this will be useful for anyone else because I doubt you would want to sit around and read a novel while you are high whether its from drugs or some brain simulation.  Now won't you kids get off my lawn so I can sit here peacefully and read a book on my vacation.</p></div><p>Do you live in the bible belt, perchance?  Maybe that's why you equate drugs with "doped up".  As others have pointed out, caffeine is a very widely used stimulant and unless you're a Mormon (or was it Jehovah's Witness?) you likely partake of it as well.  There are drugs that give you razor-sharp concentration.  It's the same stuff that your body naturally produces, the only difference is that most peoples' bodies aren't consistently producing them.  Would you want to read a book if you took concentration-enhancing drugs?  Many students use those drugs to facilitate studying.  The military uses other drugs to keep pilots alert -- I've heard it's the drug commonly referred to as "speed", but I'm guessing it's either a specific enhancement drug that acquired that name or, at the very least, probably not the street-level stuff.</p><p>Other drug users partake because their body doesn't produce (or utilize) sufficient levels of dopamine, serotonin, and so on.  You'll have heard of them: those who have been diagnosed with depression.  It's not their fault their bodies produce insufficient amounts of the substance.  Using drugs to enhance their body's ability to generate them (or increase utilization of existing levels) makes them not want to kill themselves.</p><p>So enjoy your lawn.  I hope your concentration isn't too distracted by everyone trampling all over your lovely grass.  Maybe between distractions you can get some reading done.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I do n't know about anyone else but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moron and does n't have anything better to do than getting doped up and hanging out and talking with their friends for hours about nothing .
I fail to see how this will be useful for anyone else because I doubt you would want to sit around and read a novel while you are high whether its from drugs or some brain simulation .
Now wo n't you kids get off my lawn so I can sit here peacefully and read a book on my vacation.Do you live in the bible belt , perchance ?
Maybe that 's why you equate drugs with " doped up " .
As others have pointed out , caffeine is a very widely used stimulant and unless you 're a Mormon ( or was it Jehovah 's Witness ?
) you likely partake of it as well .
There are drugs that give you razor-sharp concentration .
It 's the same stuff that your body naturally produces , the only difference is that most peoples ' bodies are n't consistently producing them .
Would you want to read a book if you took concentration-enhancing drugs ?
Many students use those drugs to facilitate studying .
The military uses other drugs to keep pilots alert -- I 've heard it 's the drug commonly referred to as " speed " , but I 'm guessing it 's either a specific enhancement drug that acquired that name or , at the very least , probably not the street-level stuff.Other drug users partake because their body does n't produce ( or utilize ) sufficient levels of dopamine , serotonin , and so on .
You 'll have heard of them : those who have been diagnosed with depression .
It 's not their fault their bodies produce insufficient amounts of the substance .
Using drugs to enhance their body 's ability to generate them ( or increase utilization of existing levels ) makes them not want to kill themselves.So enjoy your lawn .
I hope your concentration is n't too distracted by everyone trampling all over your lovely grass .
Maybe between distractions you can get some reading done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about anyone else but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moron and doesn't have anything better to do than getting doped up and hanging out and talking with their friends for hours about nothing.
I fail to see how this will be useful for anyone else because I doubt you would want to sit around and read a novel while you are high whether its from drugs or some brain simulation.
Now won't you kids get off my lawn so I can sit here peacefully and read a book on my vacation.Do you live in the bible belt, perchance?
Maybe that's why you equate drugs with "doped up".
As others have pointed out, caffeine is a very widely used stimulant and unless you're a Mormon (or was it Jehovah's Witness?
) you likely partake of it as well.
There are drugs that give you razor-sharp concentration.
It's the same stuff that your body naturally produces, the only difference is that most peoples' bodies aren't consistently producing them.
Would you want to read a book if you took concentration-enhancing drugs?
Many students use those drugs to facilitate studying.
The military uses other drugs to keep pilots alert -- I've heard it's the drug commonly referred to as "speed", but I'm guessing it's either a specific enhancement drug that acquired that name or, at the very least, probably not the street-level stuff.Other drug users partake because their body doesn't produce (or utilize) sufficient levels of dopamine, serotonin, and so on.
You'll have heard of them: those who have been diagnosed with depression.
It's not their fault their bodies produce insufficient amounts of the substance.
Using drugs to enhance their body's ability to generate them (or increase utilization of existing levels) makes them not want to kill themselves.So enjoy your lawn.
I hope your concentration isn't too distracted by everyone trampling all over your lovely grass.
Maybe between distractions you can get some reading done.
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	<title>Predicted by the Strugatsky brothers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261678080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The name of the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Khischnye-veschi-Chrezvychajnye-proisshestviya-Polden/dp/5170095627/ref=sr\_1\_30?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1261673992&amp;sr=8-30" title="amazon.com">science fiction book</a> [amazon.com] in Russian would translate as something like "Predating things of the times". I don't think, an English translation is available (yet?), although plenty of their other books <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb\_ss?url=search-alias\%3Daps&amp;field-keywords=strugatsky&amp;x=0&amp;y=0" title="amazon.com">have already been translated</a> [amazon.com].

</p><p>(Benevolent) secret police investigate strange goings-on in a leisurely resort town. They discover a very simple to make device is capable of giving a very strong pleasure &mdash; endlessly (until the user is interrupted, or the body starves and dies, or &mdash; on <em>very rare occasions</em> &mdash; the user's own will prevails). The town's attitudes toward the device and its users, as well as similar (but not as all-encompassing) devices are examined...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The name of the science fiction book [ amazon.com ] in Russian would translate as something like " Predating things of the times " .
I do n't think , an English translation is available ( yet ?
) , although plenty of their other books have already been translated [ amazon.com ] .
( Benevolent ) secret police investigate strange goings-on in a leisurely resort town .
They discover a very simple to make device is capable of giving a very strong pleasure    endlessly ( until the user is interrupted , or the body starves and dies , or    on very rare occasions    the user 's own will prevails ) .
The town 's attitudes toward the device and its users , as well as similar ( but not as all-encompassing ) devices are examined.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The name of the science fiction book [amazon.com] in Russian would translate as something like "Predating things of the times".
I don't think, an English translation is available (yet?
), although plenty of their other books have already been translated [amazon.com].
(Benevolent) secret police investigate strange goings-on in a leisurely resort town.
They discover a very simple to make device is capable of giving a very strong pleasure — endlessly (until the user is interrupted, or the body starves and dies, or — on very rare occasions — the user's own will prevails).
The town's attitudes toward the device and its users, as well as similar (but not as all-encompassing) devices are examined...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545518</id>
	<title>Re:Even if cocaine was harmless...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261680840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First off, you're quoting a movie and saying it's a fact.  Cocaine doesn't give an intense pleasure a thousand times more intense than an orgasm.  Anyone who says that is stupid and hasnt ever done it.  Try it and you'll know what it does.  It makes you talk a lot and grind your teeth and lets you stay up later to drink more beer.  And yes it makes you feel good, but not even close to sex.  It surely doesnt make you blow a load in your pants.<br>Second, what did i do to earn it?  I dunno, maybe earned some money working that i should be able to spend however i want, unless self-righteous douches like you have their way.  You seem to think that everyone who does drugs is a jobless addict.  If that were true then there wouldn't be a market for blow after a short time, since users wouldn't have any money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First off , you 're quoting a movie and saying it 's a fact .
Cocaine does n't give an intense pleasure a thousand times more intense than an orgasm .
Anyone who says that is stupid and hasnt ever done it .
Try it and you 'll know what it does .
It makes you talk a lot and grind your teeth and lets you stay up later to drink more beer .
And yes it makes you feel good , but not even close to sex .
It surely doesnt make you blow a load in your pants.Second , what did i do to earn it ?
I dunno , maybe earned some money working that i should be able to spend however i want , unless self-righteous douches like you have their way .
You seem to think that everyone who does drugs is a jobless addict .
If that were true then there would n't be a market for blow after a short time , since users would n't have any money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First off, you're quoting a movie and saying it's a fact.
Cocaine doesn't give an intense pleasure a thousand times more intense than an orgasm.
Anyone who says that is stupid and hasnt ever done it.
Try it and you'll know what it does.
It makes you talk a lot and grind your teeth and lets you stay up later to drink more beer.
And yes it makes you feel good, but not even close to sex.
It surely doesnt make you blow a load in your pants.Second, what did i do to earn it?
I dunno, maybe earned some money working that i should be able to spend however i want, unless self-righteous douches like you have their way.
You seem to think that everyone who does drugs is a jobless addict.
If that were true then there wouldn't be a market for blow after a short time, since users wouldn't have any money.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30548016</id>
	<title>Re:Even if cocaine was harmless...</title>
	<author>psithurism</author>
	<datestamp>1261659000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ok, we all know what he was trying to say, and that is that animal instincts plus social norms and laws have been doing a good job at keeping us productive as a species and if we subvert that to be a desire to push a button, we are not sure what will happen but most likely it will be bad.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , we all know what he was trying to say , and that is that animal instincts plus social norms and laws have been doing a good job at keeping us productive as a species and if we subvert that to be a desire to push a button , we are not sure what will happen but most likely it will be bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, we all know what he was trying to say, and that is that animal instincts plus social norms and laws have been doing a good job at keeping us productive as a species and if we subvert that to be a desire to push a button, we are not sure what will happen but most likely it will be bad.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545730</id>
	<title>Re:My name is Louis Wu</title>
	<author>Old Sparky</author>
	<datestamp>1261682100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sooo...we're currently laying the groundwork for Louie Wu's addiction?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sooo...we 're currently laying the groundwork for Louie Wu 's addiction ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sooo...we're currently laying the groundwork for Louie Wu's addiction?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545242</id>
	<title>Wireheading a reality?</title>
	<author>seanellis</author>
	<datestamp>1261678920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm skeptical (as usual), but if true, bring it on, Larry Niven style.</p><p>Now our addictive types get toasted on wall current instead of having to steal and carjack their way to their next fix? That seems like a step forward to me.</p><p>Legalize it so we don't get a load of back-street ecstasy peddlers giving everyone deep bone infections.</p><p>And then treat it as a public health issue, and let those susceptible to its lure breed themselves out of the population. It's just evolution in action.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm skeptical ( as usual ) , but if true , bring it on , Larry Niven style.Now our addictive types get toasted on wall current instead of having to steal and carjack their way to their next fix ?
That seems like a step forward to me.Legalize it so we do n't get a load of back-street ecstasy peddlers giving everyone deep bone infections.And then treat it as a public health issue , and let those susceptible to its lure breed themselves out of the population .
It 's just evolution in action .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm skeptical (as usual), but if true, bring it on, Larry Niven style.Now our addictive types get toasted on wall current instead of having to steal and carjack their way to their next fix?
That seems like a step forward to me.Legalize it so we don't get a load of back-street ecstasy peddlers giving everyone deep bone infections.And then treat it as a public health issue, and let those susceptible to its lure breed themselves out of the population.
It's just evolution in action.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Even if cocaine was harmless...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261681020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are the kind of person that scares me. We've come beyond populating the planet and the last thing we need is more little brats to over-righteous religious nuts such as yourself.<br>The fact that you think "sex" is a taboo word is a good indication that you are not the kind of person I want to be regulating what I can do with my life. You probably got goosebumps and felt dirty typing sex didn't you?</p><p>Why should these things be frowned upon? Have you ever stopped to think about what you believe to be right and wrong and ever questioned them? I have. Instead of accepting every moral and ethic thrown at me by my heavy catholic community, when I reached the age of reason I began to question the things I was taught and learned what was truth and what was just societies opinion of what should be right.</p><p>I hope you are not the kind of person who spawns because its your "duty". I don't think their is anything worse for humanity then people who have kids because they feel they need to continue the species. There's too many! Stop it. Go get one of those orgasm buttons in your head and stop dooming this planet with your unwanted spawn. Stop making welfare babies and go win a darwin award for yourself. There's a big stockpile and we've got a lot to give out.</p><p>On a funny sidenote, captcha was "naughty".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are the kind of person that scares me .
We 've come beyond populating the planet and the last thing we need is more little brats to over-righteous religious nuts such as yourself.The fact that you think " sex " is a taboo word is a good indication that you are not the kind of person I want to be regulating what I can do with my life .
You probably got goosebumps and felt dirty typing sex did n't you ? Why should these things be frowned upon ?
Have you ever stopped to think about what you believe to be right and wrong and ever questioned them ?
I have .
Instead of accepting every moral and ethic thrown at me by my heavy catholic community , when I reached the age of reason I began to question the things I was taught and learned what was truth and what was just societies opinion of what should be right.I hope you are not the kind of person who spawns because its your " duty " .
I do n't think their is anything worse for humanity then people who have kids because they feel they need to continue the species .
There 's too many !
Stop it .
Go get one of those orgasm buttons in your head and stop dooming this planet with your unwanted spawn .
Stop making welfare babies and go win a darwin award for yourself .
There 's a big stockpile and we 've got a lot to give out.On a funny sidenote , captcha was " naughty " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are the kind of person that scares me.
We've come beyond populating the planet and the last thing we need is more little brats to over-righteous religious nuts such as yourself.The fact that you think "sex" is a taboo word is a good indication that you are not the kind of person I want to be regulating what I can do with my life.
You probably got goosebumps and felt dirty typing sex didn't you?Why should these things be frowned upon?
Have you ever stopped to think about what you believe to be right and wrong and ever questioned them?
I have.
Instead of accepting every moral and ethic thrown at me by my heavy catholic community, when I reached the age of reason I began to question the things I was taught and learned what was truth and what was just societies opinion of what should be right.I hope you are not the kind of person who spawns because its your "duty".
I don't think their is anything worse for humanity then people who have kids because they feel they need to continue the species.
There's too many!
Stop it.
Go get one of those orgasm buttons in your head and stop dooming this planet with your unwanted spawn.
Stop making welfare babies and go win a darwin award for yourself.
There's a big stockpile and we've got a lot to give out.On a funny sidenote, captcha was "naughty".</sentencetext>
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	<title>Tool of the Trade, by Joe Haldeman</title>
	<author>handy\_vandal</author>
	<datestamp>1261849080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The novel <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool\_of\_the\_Trade" title="wikipedia.org">Tool of the Trade</a> [wikipedia.org] by Joe Haldeman concerns the discovery of a specific ultrasonic frequency which induces a state of extreme hypnotic suggestibility -- in effect, a mind-control sound.</p><p> Hypnotic suggestibility is different, of course, from electronic pleasure (see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirehead" title="wikipedia.org">Wirehead</a> [wikipedia.org]), but there are interesting correspondences.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The novel Tool of the Trade [ wikipedia.org ] by Joe Haldeman concerns the discovery of a specific ultrasonic frequency which induces a state of extreme hypnotic suggestibility -- in effect , a mind-control sound .
Hypnotic suggestibility is different , of course , from electronic pleasure ( see Wirehead [ wikipedia.org ] ) , but there are interesting correspondences .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The novel Tool of the Trade [wikipedia.org] by Joe Haldeman concerns the discovery of a specific ultrasonic frequency which induces a state of extreme hypnotic suggestibility -- in effect, a mind-control sound.
Hypnotic suggestibility is different, of course, from electronic pleasure (see Wirehead [wikipedia.org]), but there are interesting correspondences.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545288</id>
	<title>Screw making me happy</title>
	<author>lattyware</author>
	<datestamp>1261679280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Screw making me happy, I can do that myself. Make one that stops me being lazy, I'll buy it in a second.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Screw making me happy , I can do that myself .
Make one that stops me being lazy , I 'll buy it in a second .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Screw making me happy, I can do that myself.
Make one that stops me being lazy, I'll buy it in a second.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261683120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Yeah that worthless Carl Sagan guy was a total moron stoner...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah that worthless Carl Sagan guy was a total moron stoner.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah that worthless Carl Sagan guy was a total moron stoner...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546036</id>
	<title>MMJ</title>
	<author>Turbo\_Button</author>
	<datestamp>1261684140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>God forbid the terminally ill miss out on reading one last novel before they die  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical\_cannabis" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Medical\_cannabis</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>God forbid the terminally ill miss out on reading one last novel before they die Medical \ _cannabis [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>God forbid the terminally ill miss out on reading one last novel before they die  Medical\_cannabis [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261681320000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know about that. I was a teenager in the 70s when it was almost socially acceptable among people under 30 to smoke pot.  I've known plenty of people who indulge fairly regularly (say on the order of once a week or even a bit more) who probably weren't much different than if they'd never used at all. It's dangerous to make such generalizations as "dope makes you a dope", because practically no generalization of that sort is *always* true.  Often they can be true enough to be worth paying attention to without being *usually* true.</p><p>I've also seen the other side, the people who effectively rewired their brains and lives around dope.  It's very easy to do, because so much of what we as animals do is avoiding pain and seeking pleasure.  As *humans*, we are driven by something more as well: dissatisfaction.   The Pali word "dukka" which is often translated when discussion Buddhism as "suffering" might better be translated as "dissatisfaction".   Most of the "suffering" in our life is not grand enough to be called "suffering".  It's a niggling, persistent dissatisfaction with the things we thought would make us happy.  The very low intellectual standards of people who are stoned are a consequence of easy satisfaction.   They laugh at jokes that aren't funny because their standards of funny are low.  They don't mind physical squalor because they are beyond dissatisfaction.</p><p>It's a funny thing; pain, pleasure and dissatisfaction drive us as individuals, but they aren't there for *our* benefit.   They improve us as a *species*.  We may wish to subscribe to a philosophy of ethical egoism, but we're still constructed neurologically so the quality of our subjective experience serves the species.  Surely it would be to our benefit to live a life devoid of pain and full of pleasure and satisfaction.  Any counter argument to this is bound to rest on the benefit to society or to the species, not to us as individuals.</p><p>It is conceivable that we could, in a sense, take charge of our lives, truly live them for ourselves, by using biomedical technology to control pain, pleasure, and over time even *dissatisfaction*.   But I doubt in such a world read books.  Why would we?</p><p>When you see a book, you anticipate the pleasure of reading it.  Why bother reading it if you can get pleasure at the push of a button?  Oh, at first you would make a distinction between "earned" and "unearned" pleasure, but one day you'd be a little tired and instead of picking up the book you'll push the happy button, and sooner or later you'll be going for the happy button because you won't tolerate the effort of reading.  In fact it's a kind of intellectual lust that drives us to read, isn't it?  And lust is kind of a pleasurable pain; a deficit we imagine in ourselves that is pleasant to fill; an itch that we scratch.  If we can eliminate the itch and get the pleasure of scratching, we won't be any kind of lust, physical or intellectual, because we won't accept any kind of discomfort.</p><p>I remember working on the early Arpanet, and the amazement of seeing text from a computer appear, printed line by line on a printing terminal.  The  equivalent of a Slashdot article and its comments would probably have taken fifteen or twenty minutes to "load", but to *us* this was information traveling at amazing rates.   Now we consider *any* perceivable delay as intolerable; there is no sensation of speed, only of varying degrees of slowness.</p><p>People adjust their feeling of what is pleasurable and satisfactory to what they experience on a day to day basis. Read about how people lived a few centuries ago. YetI suspect people were just as happy or unhappy as they are now, even though the conditions they lived in -- even the aristocrats -- were miserable by modern standards.   Our modern threshold of suffering is extremely low; of satisfaction extremely high.   When we can control suffering and satisfaction biomedically, the process will not only have reached its logical limit, human life as we know it will cease to be, because that life is organized around the imperatives to seek elusive pleasure, to elude inevitable pain, and to suage unavoidable dissatisfaction.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about that .
I was a teenager in the 70s when it was almost socially acceptable among people under 30 to smoke pot .
I 've known plenty of people who indulge fairly regularly ( say on the order of once a week or even a bit more ) who probably were n't much different than if they 'd never used at all .
It 's dangerous to make such generalizations as " dope makes you a dope " , because practically no generalization of that sort is * always * true .
Often they can be true enough to be worth paying attention to without being * usually * true.I 've also seen the other side , the people who effectively rewired their brains and lives around dope .
It 's very easy to do , because so much of what we as animals do is avoiding pain and seeking pleasure .
As * humans * , we are driven by something more as well : dissatisfaction .
The Pali word " dukka " which is often translated when discussion Buddhism as " suffering " might better be translated as " dissatisfaction " .
Most of the " suffering " in our life is not grand enough to be called " suffering " .
It 's a niggling , persistent dissatisfaction with the things we thought would make us happy .
The very low intellectual standards of people who are stoned are a consequence of easy satisfaction .
They laugh at jokes that are n't funny because their standards of funny are low .
They do n't mind physical squalor because they are beyond dissatisfaction.It 's a funny thing ; pain , pleasure and dissatisfaction drive us as individuals , but they are n't there for * our * benefit .
They improve us as a * species * .
We may wish to subscribe to a philosophy of ethical egoism , but we 're still constructed neurologically so the quality of our subjective experience serves the species .
Surely it would be to our benefit to live a life devoid of pain and full of pleasure and satisfaction .
Any counter argument to this is bound to rest on the benefit to society or to the species , not to us as individuals.It is conceivable that we could , in a sense , take charge of our lives , truly live them for ourselves , by using biomedical technology to control pain , pleasure , and over time even * dissatisfaction * .
But I doubt in such a world read books .
Why would we ? When you see a book , you anticipate the pleasure of reading it .
Why bother reading it if you can get pleasure at the push of a button ?
Oh , at first you would make a distinction between " earned " and " unearned " pleasure , but one day you 'd be a little tired and instead of picking up the book you 'll push the happy button , and sooner or later you 'll be going for the happy button because you wo n't tolerate the effort of reading .
In fact it 's a kind of intellectual lust that drives us to read , is n't it ?
And lust is kind of a pleasurable pain ; a deficit we imagine in ourselves that is pleasant to fill ; an itch that we scratch .
If we can eliminate the itch and get the pleasure of scratching , we wo n't be any kind of lust , physical or intellectual , because we wo n't accept any kind of discomfort.I remember working on the early Arpanet , and the amazement of seeing text from a computer appear , printed line by line on a printing terminal .
The equivalent of a Slashdot article and its comments would probably have taken fifteen or twenty minutes to " load " , but to * us * this was information traveling at amazing rates .
Now we consider * any * perceivable delay as intolerable ; there is no sensation of speed , only of varying degrees of slowness.People adjust their feeling of what is pleasurable and satisfactory to what they experience on a day to day basis .
Read about how people lived a few centuries ago .
YetI suspect people were just as happy or unhappy as they are now , even though the conditions they lived in -- even the aristocrats -- were miserable by modern standards .
Our modern threshold of suffering is extremely low ; of satisfaction extremely high .
When we can control suffering and satisfaction biomedically , the process will not only have reached its logical limit , human life as we know it will cease to be , because that life is organized around the imperatives to seek elusive pleasure , to elude inevitable pain , and to suage unavoidable dissatisfaction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about that.
I was a teenager in the 70s when it was almost socially acceptable among people under 30 to smoke pot.
I've known plenty of people who indulge fairly regularly (say on the order of once a week or even a bit more) who probably weren't much different than if they'd never used at all.
It's dangerous to make such generalizations as "dope makes you a dope", because practically no generalization of that sort is *always* true.
Often they can be true enough to be worth paying attention to without being *usually* true.I've also seen the other side, the people who effectively rewired their brains and lives around dope.
It's very easy to do, because so much of what we as animals do is avoiding pain and seeking pleasure.
As *humans*, we are driven by something more as well: dissatisfaction.
The Pali word "dukka" which is often translated when discussion Buddhism as "suffering" might better be translated as "dissatisfaction".
Most of the "suffering" in our life is not grand enough to be called "suffering".
It's a niggling, persistent dissatisfaction with the things we thought would make us happy.
The very low intellectual standards of people who are stoned are a consequence of easy satisfaction.
They laugh at jokes that aren't funny because their standards of funny are low.
They don't mind physical squalor because they are beyond dissatisfaction.It's a funny thing; pain, pleasure and dissatisfaction drive us as individuals, but they aren't there for *our* benefit.
They improve us as a *species*.
We may wish to subscribe to a philosophy of ethical egoism, but we're still constructed neurologically so the quality of our subjective experience serves the species.
Surely it would be to our benefit to live a life devoid of pain and full of pleasure and satisfaction.
Any counter argument to this is bound to rest on the benefit to society or to the species, not to us as individuals.It is conceivable that we could, in a sense, take charge of our lives, truly live them for ourselves, by using biomedical technology to control pain, pleasure, and over time even *dissatisfaction*.
But I doubt in such a world read books.
Why would we?When you see a book, you anticipate the pleasure of reading it.
Why bother reading it if you can get pleasure at the push of a button?
Oh, at first you would make a distinction between "earned" and "unearned" pleasure, but one day you'd be a little tired and instead of picking up the book you'll push the happy button, and sooner or later you'll be going for the happy button because you won't tolerate the effort of reading.
In fact it's a kind of intellectual lust that drives us to read, isn't it?
And lust is kind of a pleasurable pain; a deficit we imagine in ourselves that is pleasant to fill; an itch that we scratch.
If we can eliminate the itch and get the pleasure of scratching, we won't be any kind of lust, physical or intellectual, because we won't accept any kind of discomfort.I remember working on the early Arpanet, and the amazement of seeing text from a computer appear, printed line by line on a printing terminal.
The  equivalent of a Slashdot article and its comments would probably have taken fifteen or twenty minutes to "load", but to *us* this was information traveling at amazing rates.
Now we consider *any* perceivable delay as intolerable; there is no sensation of speed, only of varying degrees of slowness.People adjust their feeling of what is pleasurable and satisfactory to what they experience on a day to day basis.
Read about how people lived a few centuries ago.
YetI suspect people were just as happy or unhappy as they are now, even though the conditions they lived in -- even the aristocrats -- were miserable by modern standards.
Our modern threshold of suffering is extremely low; of satisfaction extremely high.
When we can control suffering and satisfaction biomedically, the process will not only have reached its logical limit, human life as we know it will cease to be, because that life is organized around the imperatives to seek elusive pleasure, to elude inevitable pain, and to suage unavoidable dissatisfaction.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545232</id>
	<title>The real high</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261678860000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>would be just feeling motivated, happy and loved all the time. That's the areas of the brain to stim.<br>Hell, could end most crime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>would be just feeling motivated , happy and loved all the time .
That 's the areas of the brain to stim.Hell , could end most crime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>would be just feeling motivated, happy and loved all the time.
That's the areas of the brain to stim.Hell, could end most crime.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Starcraft Stimpack</title>
	<author>rehtonAesoohC</author>
	<datestamp>1261680120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>PSSSH - Awwww year. That's the stuff.<br> <br> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGVZgk7AMy8" title="youtube.com">Here's the sound from the game</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>PSSSH - Awwww year .
That 's the stuff .
Here 's the sound from the game [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PSSSH - Awwww year.
That's the stuff.
Here's the sound from the game [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546272</id>
	<title>Basement Psychologists</title>
	<author>pipingguy</author>
	<datestamp>1261686300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Whoever tagged this as !neuroticism probably needs a hug.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whoever tagged this as ! neuroticism probably needs a hug .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whoever tagged this as !neuroticism probably needs a hug.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546562</id>
	<title>Are your neurons 'off' too?</title>
	<author>Favonius Cornelius</author>
	<datestamp>1261645440000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I for one have a slightly over active sympathatic nervous system. This means its harder for me to fall asleep, I have sweaty palms often and I sometimes feel 'wired' in general. If there was an implant that I could use to turn this all down a little bit, like a particular drug I happen to know of, I would seriously consider it.

Please don't generalize about people's needs or drug use because that really hurts fringe people like me in the scheme of things. You have no idea the social stigma of matters like these, especially if you are in a science related industry like I am.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one have a slightly over active sympathatic nervous system .
This means its harder for me to fall asleep , I have sweaty palms often and I sometimes feel 'wired ' in general .
If there was an implant that I could use to turn this all down a little bit , like a particular drug I happen to know of , I would seriously consider it .
Please do n't generalize about people 's needs or drug use because that really hurts fringe people like me in the scheme of things .
You have no idea the social stigma of matters like these , especially if you are in a science related industry like I am .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one have a slightly over active sympathatic nervous system.
This means its harder for me to fall asleep, I have sweaty palms often and I sometimes feel 'wired' in general.
If there was an implant that I could use to turn this all down a little bit, like a particular drug I happen to know of, I would seriously consider it.
Please don't generalize about people's needs or drug use because that really hurts fringe people like me in the scheme of things.
You have no idea the social stigma of matters like these, especially if you are in a science related industry like I am.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Wireheading a reality?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261679700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>Now our addictive types get toasted on wall current instead of having to steal and carjack their way to their next fix? That seems like a step forward to me. </i></p><p>I don't disagree in principle, but I can just picture most of them dying in the streets because they're too juiced to worry about mundane activities like eating and sleeping.</p><p><i>Then</i> being subjected to constant news programs about the "wirehead menace" and its effects on society. Complete with tearful interviews with friends and relatives; "He/she had so much to live for *sob* *sob*", "It wasn't his/her fault", "Why don't they do something about it", yada, yada, yada</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now our addictive types get toasted on wall current instead of having to steal and carjack their way to their next fix ?
That seems like a step forward to me .
I do n't disagree in principle , but I can just picture most of them dying in the streets because they 're too juiced to worry about mundane activities like eating and sleeping.Then being subjected to constant news programs about the " wirehead menace " and its effects on society .
Complete with tearful interviews with friends and relatives ; " He/she had so much to live for * sob * * sob * " , " It was n't his/her fault " , " Why do n't they do something about it " , yada , yada , yada</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now our addictive types get toasted on wall current instead of having to steal and carjack their way to their next fix?
That seems like a step forward to me.
I don't disagree in principle, but I can just picture most of them dying in the streets because they're too juiced to worry about mundane activities like eating and sleeping.Then being subjected to constant news programs about the "wirehead menace" and its effects on society.
Complete with tearful interviews with friends and relatives; "He/she had so much to live for *sob* *sob*", "It wasn't his/her fault", "Why don't they do something about it", yada, yada, yada</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Predicted by the Strugatsky brothers</title>
	<author>TamCaP</author>
	<datestamp>1261675200000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Of course <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Noon-22nd-Century-Arkadi-Strugatski/dp/0020256000" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">there is an English translation</a> [amazon.com]. This is a SF classic after all... Actually, the book has even its own Wikipedia <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noon:\_22nd\_Century" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">page</a> [wikipedia.org] (if we can use it as a measure of merit)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course there is an English translation [ amazon.com ] .
This is a SF classic after all... Actually , the book has even its own Wikipedia page [ wikipedia.org ] ( if we can use it as a measure of merit )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course there is an English translation [amazon.com].
This is a SF classic after all... Actually, the book has even its own Wikipedia page [wikipedia.org] (if we can use it as a measure of merit)</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:"...the glamour of surgical self-improvement...</title>
	<author>ubungy</author>
	<datestamp>1261686960000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Let's not confuse surgical self-improvement, which happens all the time from prosthetics to cosmetic surgery, with self-surgical improvement. Which would just be unthinkable when talking about the inside of your head. At least in this day in age.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's not confuse surgical self-improvement , which happens all the time from prosthetics to cosmetic surgery , with self-surgical improvement .
Which would just be unthinkable when talking about the inside of your head .
At least in this day in age .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's not confuse surgical self-improvement, which happens all the time from prosthetics to cosmetic surgery, with self-surgical improvement.
Which would just be unthinkable when talking about the inside of your head.
At least in this day in age.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545278</id>
	<title>Re:Possibilities. . .</title>
	<author>CxDoo</author>
	<datestamp>1261679220000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>"every time" and "mind blowing" - pick one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" every time " and " mind blowing " - pick one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"every time" and "mind blowing" - pick one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545800</id>
	<title>What a load of crap!</title>
	<author>Raisey-raison</author>
	<datestamp>1261682520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Even if cocaine and other drugs were completely harmless, their ability to give serious but <em>unearned</em> pleasure would seriously warrant their banning. I admit, that this sounds religion-motivated, but that's hardly a drawback of an argument...</p></div><p>Arguments like that boggle the mind. What is wrong with  people actually experiencing pleasure? Do you have data that suggests that 'unearned' pleasure is ruinous as opposed to merely hypothesizing about what someone may do to your daughter? (BTW Perhaps your daughter can decide for herself what is appropriate for her.)</p><p>We know Combat stress reaction aka Shell shock does huge amounts of harm, so do traumatic childhood experiences and <b>so does torture</b>.<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat\_stress\_reaction" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat\_stress\_reaction</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>They really cause mental illness, crime, lower workplace productivity and generally f*ck up society.</p><p>Of course its always the right wingers who love Jesus, who somehow think that pleasure = bad, torture = good and somehow use seriously fu**ed up reasoning to justify it.</p><p>And of course the earned pleasure of bankers who earn $150 million a year - that's SO TOTALLY earned. And those drug companies and health care lobbyists who use all there nice 'earned' money which was so rightfully earned to begin with. That's all pleasure that is morally right, sitting in their private yachts and jet-setting around in private planes. That' all OK, especially as its earned on the backs of the uninsured. Cause Jesus thinks it's MUCH MORE IMPORTANT that people not get too much pleasure and die cause they don't have health insurance. Good old moral values!</p><p>But god forbid some poor person who makes $8 an hour living on the poverty line who actually IS making an economic contribution by actually 'Working', if they want to get high - that is just SO bad. Can't have hard working and underpaid people enjoying life- no that's just for the rich. Cause the bible told me so.</p><p>We don't get to live for that long in the grand scheme of things - 70 - 90 years. Cant we just enjoy what little life we have?</p></div>
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<tokenext>Even if cocaine and other drugs were completely harmless , their ability to give serious but unearned pleasure would seriously warrant their banning .
I admit , that this sounds religion-motivated , but that 's hardly a drawback of an argument...Arguments like that boggle the mind .
What is wrong with people actually experiencing pleasure ?
Do you have data that suggests that 'unearned ' pleasure is ruinous as opposed to merely hypothesizing about what someone may do to your daughter ?
( BTW Perhaps your daughter can decide for herself what is appropriate for her .
) We know Combat stress reaction aka Shell shock does huge amounts of harm , so do traumatic childhood experiences and so does torture.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat \ _stress \ _reaction [ wikipedia.org ] They really cause mental illness , crime , lower workplace productivity and generally f * ck up society.Of course its always the right wingers who love Jesus , who somehow think that pleasure = bad , torture = good and somehow use seriously fu * * ed up reasoning to justify it.And of course the earned pleasure of bankers who earn $ 150 million a year - that 's SO TOTALLY earned .
And those drug companies and health care lobbyists who use all there nice 'earned ' money which was so rightfully earned to begin with .
That 's all pleasure that is morally right , sitting in their private yachts and jet-setting around in private planes .
That ' all OK , especially as its earned on the backs of the uninsured .
Cause Jesus thinks it 's MUCH MORE IMPORTANT that people not get too much pleasure and die cause they do n't have health insurance .
Good old moral values ! But god forbid some poor person who makes $ 8 an hour living on the poverty line who actually IS making an economic contribution by actually 'Working ' , if they want to get high - that is just SO bad .
Ca n't have hard working and underpaid people enjoying life- no that 's just for the rich .
Cause the bible told me so.We do n't get to live for that long in the grand scheme of things - 70 - 90 years .
Cant we just enjoy what little life we have ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if cocaine and other drugs were completely harmless, their ability to give serious but unearned pleasure would seriously warrant their banning.
I admit, that this sounds religion-motivated, but that's hardly a drawback of an argument...Arguments like that boggle the mind.
What is wrong with  people actually experiencing pleasure?
Do you have data that suggests that 'unearned' pleasure is ruinous as opposed to merely hypothesizing about what someone may do to your daughter?
(BTW Perhaps your daughter can decide for herself what is appropriate for her.
)We know Combat stress reaction aka Shell shock does huge amounts of harm, so do traumatic childhood experiences and so does torture.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat\_stress\_reaction [wikipedia.org]They really cause mental illness, crime, lower workplace productivity and generally f*ck up society.Of course its always the right wingers who love Jesus, who somehow think that pleasure = bad, torture = good and somehow use seriously fu**ed up reasoning to justify it.And of course the earned pleasure of bankers who earn $150 million a year - that's SO TOTALLY earned.
And those drug companies and health care lobbyists who use all there nice 'earned' money which was so rightfully earned to begin with.
That's all pleasure that is morally right, sitting in their private yachts and jet-setting around in private planes.
That' all OK, especially as its earned on the backs of the uninsured.
Cause Jesus thinks it's MUCH MORE IMPORTANT that people not get too much pleasure and die cause they don't have health insurance.
Good old moral values!But god forbid some poor person who makes $8 an hour living on the poverty line who actually IS making an economic contribution by actually 'Working', if they want to get high - that is just SO bad.
Can't have hard working and underpaid people enjoying life- no that's just for the rich.
Cause the bible told me so.We don't get to live for that long in the grand scheme of things - 70 - 90 years.
Cant we just enjoy what little life we have?
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	<title>Re:Normal State</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261682520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hate to be the one to have to tell you this, but you can't define away a real phenomenon.  That only works in philosophy journals.  There, anything goes.  Heck, prove space is Euclidean if you want, no one will call you on it until the physicists hear about it!</p><p>The way neurostim works is that it excites the brain activity that goes on when you take a sufficient dose of cocaine, <i>whatever that happens to be</i>.  The phenomenon of "getting used to it" arises because, for whatever reason (such as chemical tolerance), you're <i>not</i> getting the same neurological activity from a given dose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate to be the one to have to tell you this , but you ca n't define away a real phenomenon .
That only works in philosophy journals .
There , anything goes .
Heck , prove space is Euclidean if you want , no one will call you on it until the physicists hear about it ! The way neurostim works is that it excites the brain activity that goes on when you take a sufficient dose of cocaine , whatever that happens to be .
The phenomenon of " getting used to it " arises because , for whatever reason ( such as chemical tolerance ) , you 're not getting the same neurological activity from a given dose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate to be the one to have to tell you this, but you can't define away a real phenomenon.
That only works in philosophy journals.
There, anything goes.
Heck, prove space is Euclidean if you want, no one will call you on it until the physicists hear about it!The way neurostim works is that it excites the brain activity that goes on when you take a sufficient dose of cocaine, whatever that happens to be.
The phenomenon of "getting used to it" arises because, for whatever reason (such as chemical tolerance), you're not getting the same neurological activity from a given dose.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546102</id>
	<title>Re:Even if cocaine was harmless...</title>
	<author>chris mazuc</author>
	<datestamp>1261684740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Even if cocaine and other drugs were completely harmless, their ability to give serious but unearned pleasure would seriously warrant their banning. I admit, that this sounds religion-motivated, but that's hardly a drawback of an argument...</p> </div><p>So we should ban the lottery too? How about TV? That argument is ridiculous.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Now, what is the justification for a cocaine-user's pleasure?</p></div><p>There is enough suffering in the world already, we don't need more so you can feel morally superior.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>What did he do to deserve, what a Trainspotting's character describes as "thousand times the most intense orgasm you've ever experienced"?</p> </div><p>If you didn't get your information about drugs from bad movies you might actually know what you're talking about. Besides, Trainspotting wasn't even about cocaine. Legalization is about harm reduction; people will use drugs regardless of legality.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I wouldn't want one of them to marry my daughter, for example, as he may decide one day to stop caring for her.</p></div><p>Again, if you didn't get your information about drugs from bad movies you might actually know what you're talking about. Hard drugs like cocaine definitely have serious consequences if they are abused. But so does alcohol, which is perfectly legal and socially accepted. I worked at a 24 hour convenience store in Maryland right after I graduated high school. The law in MD is the booze has to be locked up from 2 AM until 6 AM. I had people that would come in at 2 AM with whatever change they scrounged together to buy some beer. I would see the same people at 6 to get some more. So because I like to have a beer with dinner every now and then I'm going to end up out on the street like those people? Because you seem to imply that everyone who enjoys the occasional bump of coke is going to turn into a junkie.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>So, even if cocaine did absolutely no harm to the body by itself -- and the devices in TFA promise the cocaine-like effects without the chemical additiction -- I wouldn't want to be near a user.</p></div><p>User != abuser</p><p>But <b>your</b> drug is perfectly fine, right? Its not like alcohol is directly and indirectly responsible for tens of thousands of deaths in this country every year.</p><p>Annual causes of deaths in the US:</p><p>Tobacco     435,000<br>Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity     365,000<br>Alcohol     85,000<br>Microbial Agents     75,000<br>Toxic Agents     55,000<br>Motor Vehicle Crashes     26,347<br>Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs     32,000<br>Suicide     30,622<br>Incidents Involving Firearms     29,000<br>Homicide     20,308<br>Sexual Behaviors     20,000<br>All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect     17,000<br>Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin     7,600<br>Marijuana     0</p><p>I know that tomorrow night on my drive home I will be far more worried about drunk drivers than cocaine abusers.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Even if cocaine and other drugs were completely harmless , their ability to give serious but unearned pleasure would seriously warrant their banning .
I admit , that this sounds religion-motivated , but that 's hardly a drawback of an argument... So we should ban the lottery too ?
How about TV ?
That argument is ridiculous.Now , what is the justification for a cocaine-user 's pleasure ? There is enough suffering in the world already , we do n't need more so you can feel morally superior.What did he do to deserve , what a Trainspotting 's character describes as " thousand times the most intense orgasm you 've ever experienced " ?
If you did n't get your information about drugs from bad movies you might actually know what you 're talking about .
Besides , Trainspotting was n't even about cocaine .
Legalization is about harm reduction ; people will use drugs regardless of legality.I would n't want one of them to marry my daughter , for example , as he may decide one day to stop caring for her.Again , if you did n't get your information about drugs from bad movies you might actually know what you 're talking about .
Hard drugs like cocaine definitely have serious consequences if they are abused .
But so does alcohol , which is perfectly legal and socially accepted .
I worked at a 24 hour convenience store in Maryland right after I graduated high school .
The law in MD is the booze has to be locked up from 2 AM until 6 AM .
I had people that would come in at 2 AM with whatever change they scrounged together to buy some beer .
I would see the same people at 6 to get some more .
So because I like to have a beer with dinner every now and then I 'm going to end up out on the street like those people ?
Because you seem to imply that everyone who enjoys the occasional bump of coke is going to turn into a junkie.So , even if cocaine did absolutely no harm to the body by itself -- and the devices in TFA promise the cocaine-like effects without the chemical additiction -- I would n't want to be near a user.User ! = abuserBut your drug is perfectly fine , right ?
Its not like alcohol is directly and indirectly responsible for tens of thousands of deaths in this country every year.Annual causes of deaths in the US : Tobacco 435,000Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,000Alcohol 85,000Microbial Agents 75,000Toxic Agents 55,000Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,347Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000Suicide 30,622Incidents Involving Firearms 29,000Homicide 20,308Sexual Behaviors 20,000All Illicit Drug Use , Direct and Indirect 17,000Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600Marijuana 0I know that tomorrow night on my drive home I will be far more worried about drunk drivers than cocaine abusers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if cocaine and other drugs were completely harmless, their ability to give serious but unearned pleasure would seriously warrant their banning.
I admit, that this sounds religion-motivated, but that's hardly a drawback of an argument... So we should ban the lottery too?
How about TV?
That argument is ridiculous.Now, what is the justification for a cocaine-user's pleasure?There is enough suffering in the world already, we don't need more so you can feel morally superior.What did he do to deserve, what a Trainspotting's character describes as "thousand times the most intense orgasm you've ever experienced"?
If you didn't get your information about drugs from bad movies you might actually know what you're talking about.
Besides, Trainspotting wasn't even about cocaine.
Legalization is about harm reduction; people will use drugs regardless of legality.I wouldn't want one of them to marry my daughter, for example, as he may decide one day to stop caring for her.Again, if you didn't get your information about drugs from bad movies you might actually know what you're talking about.
Hard drugs like cocaine definitely have serious consequences if they are abused.
But so does alcohol, which is perfectly legal and socially accepted.
I worked at a 24 hour convenience store in Maryland right after I graduated high school.
The law in MD is the booze has to be locked up from 2 AM until 6 AM.
I had people that would come in at 2 AM with whatever change they scrounged together to buy some beer.
I would see the same people at 6 to get some more.
So because I like to have a beer with dinner every now and then I'm going to end up out on the street like those people?
Because you seem to imply that everyone who enjoys the occasional bump of coke is going to turn into a junkie.So, even if cocaine did absolutely no harm to the body by itself -- and the devices in TFA promise the cocaine-like effects without the chemical additiction -- I wouldn't want to be near a user.User != abuserBut your drug is perfectly fine, right?
Its not like alcohol is directly and indirectly responsible for tens of thousands of deaths in this country every year.Annual causes of deaths in the US:Tobacco     435,000Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity     365,000Alcohol     85,000Microbial Agents     75,000Toxic Agents     55,000Motor Vehicle Crashes     26,347Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs     32,000Suicide     30,622Incidents Involving Firearms     29,000Homicide     20,308Sexual Behaviors     20,000All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect     17,000Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin     7,600Marijuana     0I know that tomorrow night on my drive home I will be far more worried about drunk drivers than cocaine abusers.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546074</id>
	<title>Drouds from Larry Niven's world</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261684500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This device sounds a lot like the drouds from Larry Niven's "Tales of Known Space" series. People would get the implant, plug the droud into the outlet, and eventually die from malnutrition and dehydration. At least they didn't reproduce.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This device sounds a lot like the drouds from Larry Niven 's " Tales of Known Space " series .
People would get the implant , plug the droud into the outlet , and eventually die from malnutrition and dehydration .
At least they did n't reproduce .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This device sounds a lot like the drouds from Larry Niven's "Tales of Known Space" series.
People would get the implant, plug the droud into the outlet, and eventually die from malnutrition and dehydration.
At least they didn't reproduce.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546666</id>
	<title>Re:Major problem...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261646520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gives a whole new meaning to the blue sscreen of death.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gives a whole new meaning to the blue sscreen of death .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gives a whole new meaning to the blue sscreen of death.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545144</id>
	<title>Normal State</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261678320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>If one is "high all the time," then that state becomes the normal state, and anytime they aren't "high" means they are in a "low state."  Both psychologically and physiologically, one can become tolerant or adjusted to certain states.
<br> <br>
If something is special, doing it all the time detracts from its appeal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If one is " high all the time , " then that state becomes the normal state , and anytime they are n't " high " means they are in a " low state .
" Both psychologically and physiologically , one can become tolerant or adjusted to certain states .
If something is special , doing it all the time detracts from its appeal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If one is "high all the time," then that state becomes the normal state, and anytime they aren't "high" means they are in a "low state.
"  Both psychologically and physiologically, one can become tolerant or adjusted to certain states.
If something is special, doing it all the time detracts from its appeal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546088</id>
	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>Joe Tie.</author>
	<datestamp>1261684620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>I don't know about anyone else but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moron and doesn't have anything better to do than getting doped up and hanging out and talking with their friends for hours about nothing.</i> <br> <br>Aside from the doped up part, this describes almost every non geek I know. Oh boy, hours of talking about the weather, american idol and gossiping about the neighbors!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about anyone else but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moron and does n't have anything better to do than getting doped up and hanging out and talking with their friends for hours about nothing .
Aside from the doped up part , this describes almost every non geek I know .
Oh boy , hours of talking about the weather , american idol and gossiping about the neighbors !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about anyone else but every person I know who uses drugs on a regular basis is a complete moron and doesn't have anything better to do than getting doped up and hanging out and talking with their friends for hours about nothing.
Aside from the doped up part, this describes almost every non geek I know.
Oh boy, hours of talking about the weather, american idol and gossiping about the neighbors!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545180</id>
	<title>Major problem...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261678560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>You cannot reboot your brain if it crashes.  From my perspective... no thanks, at least for the foreseeable future.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can not reboot your brain if it crashes .
From my perspective... no thanks , at least for the foreseeable future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You cannot reboot your brain if it crashes.
From my perspective... no thanks, at least for the foreseeable future.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30549532</id>
	<title>Re:Think it through just a little bit more...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261682580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Um, I work a pretty non-"dead end job" to support my drug habit (cannabis).  I have a Masters in CS, a wife, a toddler, etc.</p><p>Not all people who use any "drug" are deadbeats.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Um , I work a pretty non- " dead end job " to support my drug habit ( cannabis ) .
I have a Masters in CS , a wife , a toddler , etc.Not all people who use any " drug " are deadbeats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um, I work a pretty non-"dead end job" to support my drug habit (cannabis).
I have a Masters in CS, a wife, a toddler, etc.Not all people who use any "drug" are deadbeats.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546064</id>
	<title>Re:Even if cocaine was harmless...</title>
	<author>misexistentialist</author>
	<datestamp>1261684380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Completely safe drugs would make motivation problematic. You wouldn't have to worry about your daughter, because no guy would bother with her. Such drugs will always be illegal, however, because delayed gratification is essential for capitalists and priests. The majority of workers operate on a very animalistic level, and they would not be interested in more than the bare minimum of productivity with such drugs, which probably can be accomplished with less than 1h/day of work. This would be completely unacceptable to the people at the top whose pleasures are more refined, requiring many thousands of hours of other people's labor to be fulfilled.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Completely safe drugs would make motivation problematic .
You would n't have to worry about your daughter , because no guy would bother with her .
Such drugs will always be illegal , however , because delayed gratification is essential for capitalists and priests .
The majority of workers operate on a very animalistic level , and they would not be interested in more than the bare minimum of productivity with such drugs , which probably can be accomplished with less than 1h/day of work .
This would be completely unacceptable to the people at the top whose pleasures are more refined , requiring many thousands of hours of other people 's labor to be fulfilled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Completely safe drugs would make motivation problematic.
You wouldn't have to worry about your daughter, because no guy would bother with her.
Such drugs will always be illegal, however, because delayed gratification is essential for capitalists and priests.
The majority of workers operate on a very animalistic level, and they would not be interested in more than the bare minimum of productivity with such drugs, which probably can be accomplished with less than 1h/day of work.
This would be completely unacceptable to the people at the top whose pleasures are more refined, requiring many thousands of hours of other people's labor to be fulfilled.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545474</id>
	<title>Re:Even if cocaine was harmless...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261680600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Consider sex (yes, I said it) -- the intense pleasure most participants derive from it is the reward for the excruciating pains of childbirth and hardships of the childrearing. Contrary to the wide-spread misunderstanding, the mainstream religions want us to have sex -- as much as possible. They just want it all to be for the purpose of reproduction, rather than simple self-indulgence."</p><p>Pleasure isn't the reward, it's the enticement to get people to do the act and possibly make babies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Consider sex ( yes , I said it ) -- the intense pleasure most participants derive from it is the reward for the excruciating pains of childbirth and hardships of the childrearing .
Contrary to the wide-spread misunderstanding , the mainstream religions want us to have sex -- as much as possible .
They just want it all to be for the purpose of reproduction , rather than simple self-indulgence .
" Pleasure is n't the reward , it 's the enticement to get people to do the act and possibly make babies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Consider sex (yes, I said it) -- the intense pleasure most participants derive from it is the reward for the excruciating pains of childbirth and hardships of the childrearing.
Contrary to the wide-spread misunderstanding, the mainstream religions want us to have sex -- as much as possible.
They just want it all to be for the purpose of reproduction, rather than simple self-indulgence.
"Pleasure isn't the reward, it's the enticement to get people to do the act and possibly make babies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30547072</id>
	<title>Home brain surgery</title>
	<author>BigSlowTarget</author>
	<datestamp>1261650720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If that's what the health plan covers that's what the health plan covers.  No refunds</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If that 's what the health plan covers that 's what the health plan covers .
No refunds</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If that's what the health plan covers that's what the health plan covers.
No refunds</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30547564</id>
	<title>Yuck</title>
	<author>paxcoder</author>
	<datestamp>1261654800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please put this in a sci-fi story, not on Slashdot. We're trying not to think about is, and if and when we come to the bridge, then burn it down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please put this in a sci-fi story , not on Slashdot .
We 're trying not to think about is , and if and when we come to the bridge , then burn it down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please put this in a sci-fi story, not on Slashdot.
We're trying not to think about is, and if and when we come to the bridge, then burn it down.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30548228</id>
	<title>Re:Even if cocaine was harmless...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261661520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>...would seriously warrant their banning.</i></p><p><i>Not saying, it should be illegal, but certainly frowned upon.</i> </p><p>You can't have it both ways -- banning == a legal prohibition. If you simply mean "discouragement", then say so.</p><p>Of course "discouragement", in our current society, leads rapidly to demonization, e.g. drugs, "second hand" smoke, "excessive carbon footprints" and the rest of the nonsense that our resident control freaks have tried to "ban".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...would seriously warrant their banning.Not saying , it should be illegal , but certainly frowned upon .
You ca n't have it both ways -- banning = = a legal prohibition .
If you simply mean " discouragement " , then say so.Of course " discouragement " , in our current society , leads rapidly to demonization , e.g .
drugs , " second hand " smoke , " excessive carbon footprints " and the rest of the nonsense that our resident control freaks have tried to " ban " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...would seriously warrant their banning.Not saying, it should be illegal, but certainly frowned upon.
You can't have it both ways -- banning == a legal prohibition.
If you simply mean "discouragement", then say so.Of course "discouragement", in our current society, leads rapidly to demonization, e.g.
drugs, "second hand" smoke, "excessive carbon footprints" and the rest of the nonsense that our resident control freaks have tried to "ban".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30549558</id>
	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261683060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a Masters in CS, a wife, toddler, well-paying 40-hour-a-week job, and I smoke pot EVERY DAY.  After dinner when the kid is in bed and I can relax.</p><p>Complete moron?  Non-productive?  Hardly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Masters in CS , a wife , toddler , well-paying 40-hour-a-week job , and I smoke pot EVERY DAY .
After dinner when the kid is in bed and I can relax.Complete moron ?
Non-productive ? Hardly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Masters in CS, a wife, toddler, well-paying 40-hour-a-week job, and I smoke pot EVERY DAY.
After dinner when the kid is in bed and I can relax.Complete moron?
Non-productive?  Hardly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546368</id>
	<title>Idiocracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261687140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Take a lesson from "fake boobs". Nature does it better. I wouldn't trust that sort of thing if my life depended on it. What sort of track record do things like this have for human health? Oh... but someone can feel like they're on cocaine all the time, that's EXACTLY what we need. Horray for modern science! These jokers should be flipping burgers for a living, not trying to re-engineer (badly) the already magnificent human body.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Take a lesson from " fake boobs " .
Nature does it better .
I would n't trust that sort of thing if my life depended on it .
What sort of track record do things like this have for human health ?
Oh... but someone can feel like they 're on cocaine all the time , that 's EXACTLY what we need .
Horray for modern science !
These jokers should be flipping burgers for a living , not trying to re-engineer ( badly ) the already magnificent human body .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take a lesson from "fake boobs".
Nature does it better.
I wouldn't trust that sort of thing if my life depended on it.
What sort of track record do things like this have for human health?
Oh... but someone can feel like they're on cocaine all the time, that's EXACTLY what we need.
Horray for modern science!
These jokers should be flipping burgers for a living, not trying to re-engineer (badly) the already magnificent human body.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546058</id>
	<title>Re:Even if cocaine was harmless...</title>
	<author>moortak</author>
	<datestamp>1261684320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We really should get around to banning pretty sunsets and nice breezes on summer evenings.  Down with those wicked unearned pleasures.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We really should get around to banning pretty sunsets and nice breezes on summer evenings .
Down with those wicked unearned pleasures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We really should get around to banning pretty sunsets and nice breezes on summer evenings.
Down with those wicked unearned pleasures.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30548644</id>
	<title>DBS is not gonna do it for this</title>
	<author>jstoner</author>
	<datestamp>1261668600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have deep brain stimulation (DBS) implants for dystonia, and they're hit or miss. Maybe you get some sort of high, maybe your arm goes rigid, maybe you see spots. And for twenty hours of brain surgery, awake--well, I wouldn't have done it if I thought I had any better options.</p><p>The state of the art with this is nowhere near reliable enough to do for nonessential reasons, even if you have some of the best doctors in the world. And the expense--well, if it had been out of pocket, it would have cost me &gt;$300k.</p><p>Or, you can just go score some coke, if you're into that kind of thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have deep brain stimulation ( DBS ) implants for dystonia , and they 're hit or miss .
Maybe you get some sort of high , maybe your arm goes rigid , maybe you see spots .
And for twenty hours of brain surgery , awake--well , I would n't have done it if I thought I had any better options.The state of the art with this is nowhere near reliable enough to do for nonessential reasons , even if you have some of the best doctors in the world .
And the expense--well , if it had been out of pocket , it would have cost me &gt; $ 300k.Or , you can just go score some coke , if you 're into that kind of thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have deep brain stimulation (DBS) implants for dystonia, and they're hit or miss.
Maybe you get some sort of high, maybe your arm goes rigid, maybe you see spots.
And for twenty hours of brain surgery, awake--well, I wouldn't have done it if I thought I had any better options.The state of the art with this is nowhere near reliable enough to do for nonessential reasons, even if you have some of the best doctors in the world.
And the expense--well, if it had been out of pocket, it would have cost me &gt;$300k.Or, you can just go score some coke, if you're into that kind of thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30548286</id>
	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1261662300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I should add that freedom is nice but also a responsibility: if you learn to overcome your hunger feelings, for example, it's great because you can decide to push your body extra when you need it, but it is also a responsibility because if you stop eating just because you feel lazy, your body will start suffering. So it becomes your responsibility to take over your body and make sure it gets the nutrients it needs to stay healthy.<br> <br>
A lot of our emotions are set in place to help us survive, and when you overtake them, it takes a lot of effort to not just be lazy all the time and let yourself waste away.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I should add that freedom is nice but also a responsibility : if you learn to overcome your hunger feelings , for example , it 's great because you can decide to push your body extra when you need it , but it is also a responsibility because if you stop eating just because you feel lazy , your body will start suffering .
So it becomes your responsibility to take over your body and make sure it gets the nutrients it needs to stay healthy .
A lot of our emotions are set in place to help us survive , and when you overtake them , it takes a lot of effort to not just be lazy all the time and let yourself waste away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I should add that freedom is nice but also a responsibility: if you learn to overcome your hunger feelings, for example, it's great because you can decide to push your body extra when you need it, but it is also a responsibility because if you stop eating just because you feel lazy, your body will start suffering.
So it becomes your responsibility to take over your body and make sure it gets the nutrients it needs to stay healthy.
A lot of our emotions are set in place to help us survive, and when you overtake them, it takes a lot of effort to not just be lazy all the time and let yourself waste away.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30547366</id>
	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>zippthorne</author>
	<datestamp>1261653300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Oh, at first you would make a distinction between "earned" and "unearned" pleasure</p></div><p>Not if you wire the pleas-o-tron to simulate the satisfaction of having earned it, too.</p><p>In a world where any sensation can be simulated at the push of a button, <em>any</em> sensation can be simulated at the push of a button.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , at first you would make a distinction between " earned " and " unearned " pleasureNot if you wire the pleas-o-tron to simulate the satisfaction of having earned it , too.In a world where any sensation can be simulated at the push of a button , any sensation can be simulated at the push of a button .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, at first you would make a distinction between "earned" and "unearned" pleasureNot if you wire the pleas-o-tron to simulate the satisfaction of having earned it, too.In a world where any sensation can be simulated at the push of a button, any sensation can be simulated at the push of a button.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545308</id>
	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1261679340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>doesn't have anything better to do than getting doped up and hanging out and talking with their friends for hours about nothing.</p></div><p>We've already got Slashdot for that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>does n't have anything better to do than getting doped up and hanging out and talking with their friends for hours about nothing.We 've already got Slashdot for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>doesn't have anything better to do than getting doped up and hanging out and talking with their friends for hours about nothing.We've already got Slashdot for that.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546112</id>
	<title>Re:Even if cocaine was harmless...</title>
	<author>FreelanceWizard</author>
	<datestamp>1261684800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I admit, that this sounds religion-motivated, but that's hardly a drawback of an argument...</p></div><p>Sure it is. Arguments typically need to be backed up by evidence. An argument based on religion, which is by its very nature a construct of faith that's not backed up by evidence, is fundamentally an appeal to authority (the religion's higher power) or an appeal to the populace (lots of people believe it, so it must be true). Appeals to religion as evidence for an argument are especially problematic when discussing governmental policies in the United States, where a law must have a secular legislative purpose (as per the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon\_v.\_Kurtzman" title="wikipedia.org">Lemon test</a> [wikipedia.org]). If the only justification for a law is religious, then it fails this prong of the Lemon test and is unconstitutional.</p><p>At any rate, I would have one bit of advice for you: please consider whether your desire to frown upon or ban such "unearned" pleasures is a function of some actual, real harm you can perceive, or is just a gut reaction to something you personally find distasteful. If it's the latter, I would implore you to consider that banning things you personally find abhorrent is the exact reason why we get laws like the CDA (and, more broadly, censorship laws in the US in general) and why we from time to time end up with attorneys general attacking "smut peddlers" in the courts.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I admit , that this sounds religion-motivated , but that 's hardly a drawback of an argument...Sure it is .
Arguments typically need to be backed up by evidence .
An argument based on religion , which is by its very nature a construct of faith that 's not backed up by evidence , is fundamentally an appeal to authority ( the religion 's higher power ) or an appeal to the populace ( lots of people believe it , so it must be true ) .
Appeals to religion as evidence for an argument are especially problematic when discussing governmental policies in the United States , where a law must have a secular legislative purpose ( as per the Lemon test [ wikipedia.org ] ) .
If the only justification for a law is religious , then it fails this prong of the Lemon test and is unconstitutional.At any rate , I would have one bit of advice for you : please consider whether your desire to frown upon or ban such " unearned " pleasures is a function of some actual , real harm you can perceive , or is just a gut reaction to something you personally find distasteful .
If it 's the latter , I would implore you to consider that banning things you personally find abhorrent is the exact reason why we get laws like the CDA ( and , more broadly , censorship laws in the US in general ) and why we from time to time end up with attorneys general attacking " smut peddlers " in the courts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I admit, that this sounds religion-motivated, but that's hardly a drawback of an argument...Sure it is.
Arguments typically need to be backed up by evidence.
An argument based on religion, which is by its very nature a construct of faith that's not backed up by evidence, is fundamentally an appeal to authority (the religion's higher power) or an appeal to the populace (lots of people believe it, so it must be true).
Appeals to religion as evidence for an argument are especially problematic when discussing governmental policies in the United States, where a law must have a secular legislative purpose (as per the Lemon test [wikipedia.org]).
If the only justification for a law is religious, then it fails this prong of the Lemon test and is unconstitutional.At any rate, I would have one bit of advice for you: please consider whether your desire to frown upon or ban such "unearned" pleasures is a function of some actual, real harm you can perceive, or is just a gut reaction to something you personally find distasteful.
If it's the latter, I would implore you to consider that banning things you personally find abhorrent is the exact reason why we get laws like the CDA (and, more broadly, censorship laws in the US in general) and why we from time to time end up with attorneys general attacking "smut peddlers" in the courts.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545636</id>
	<title>Re:Wireheading a reality?</title>
	<author>DriedClexler</author>
	<datestamp>1261681560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hm, I'm curious: how much would a continuous supply of life-sustaining IV and the electricity to run one of these neurostim things cost, per year?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hm , I 'm curious : how much would a continuous supply of life-sustaining IV and the electricity to run one of these neurostim things cost , per year ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hm, I'm curious: how much would a continuous supply of life-sustaining IV and the electricity to run one of these neurostim things cost, per year?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545448</id>
	<title>More Crichton Goodness!</title>
	<author>vdammer</author>
	<datestamp>1261680300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thank christ, another Michael Crichton reference. I was afraid they were taking an extended break.</p><p>The Terminal Man. "He's an elad." An electric addict. Stick wires in the brain to trigger responses from the pleasure centers. Push the button enough times and you're set for life, or at least until you pass out from not eating because you're loving the buzz. What a great world!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank christ , another Michael Crichton reference .
I was afraid they were taking an extended break.The Terminal Man .
" He 's an elad .
" An electric addict .
Stick wires in the brain to trigger responses from the pleasure centers .
Push the button enough times and you 're set for life , or at least until you pass out from not eating because you 're loving the buzz .
What a great world !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank christ, another Michael Crichton reference.
I was afraid they were taking an extended break.The Terminal Man.
"He's an elad.
" An electric addict.
Stick wires in the brain to trigger responses from the pleasure centers.
Push the button enough times and you're set for life, or at least until you pass out from not eating because you're loving the buzz.
What a great world!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30547158</id>
	<title>Re:Normal State</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1261651380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your brain adapts to stimulation and drugs by regulating the number of neuroreceptors; that's the origin of chemical and psychological drug dependence.</p><p>That mechanism doesn't work for direct electrical stimulation of the pleasure center since there are no receptors involved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your brain adapts to stimulation and drugs by regulating the number of neuroreceptors ; that 's the origin of chemical and psychological drug dependence.That mechanism does n't work for direct electrical stimulation of the pleasure center since there are no receptors involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your brain adapts to stimulation and drugs by regulating the number of neuroreceptors; that's the origin of chemical and psychological drug dependence.That mechanism doesn't work for direct electrical stimulation of the pleasure center since there are no receptors involved.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546586</id>
	<title>Get ready with your mod points:</title>
	<author>w0mprat</author>
	<datestamp>1261645680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm doing some DIY brain surgery while I am writing this, so far I have isolated the area for language and wit, I'm about to apply my patch to overclock it! Muhahah! Soon I will be posting the best slashdot comments ever!
<br> <br>Here goes:<br> <br>*SUCESS* patch applied sucessfully, so far it seems stable but mayfb &amp;^ng asdhg fsdHkuj ldSfhdj jhll hfhjfds jb &#234;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm doing some DIY brain surgery while I am writing this , so far I have isolated the area for language and wit , I 'm about to apply my patch to overclock it !
Muhahah ! Soon I will be posting the best slashdot comments ever !
Here goes : * SUCESS * patch applied sucessfully , so far it seems stable but mayfb &amp; ^ ng asdhg fsdHkuj ldSfhdj jhll hfhjfds jb   ... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm doing some DIY brain surgery while I am writing this, so far I have isolated the area for language and wit, I'm about to apply my patch to overclock it!
Muhahah! Soon I will be posting the best slashdot comments ever!
Here goes: *SUCESS* patch applied sucessfully, so far it seems stable but mayfb &amp;^ng asdhg fsdHkuj ldSfhdj jhll hfhjfds jb ê ....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546260</id>
	<title>Re:New drug for the morons</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261686180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know about anyone else but every person I know who watches TV on a regular basis is a complete moron and doesn't have anything better to do than lie around, telling their friends and family to be quiet so they can hear the TV.</p><p>Now won't you old cranky fogies get off my Internet so I can sit here peacefully in my underwear looking at pr0n.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about anyone else but every person I know who watches TV on a regular basis is a complete moron and does n't have anything better to do than lie around , telling their friends and family to be quiet so they can hear the TV.Now wo n't you old cranky fogies get off my Internet so I can sit here peacefully in my underwear looking at pr0n .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about anyone else but every person I know who watches TV on a regular basis is a complete moron and doesn't have anything better to do than lie around, telling their friends and family to be quiet so they can hear the TV.Now won't you old cranky fogies get off my Internet so I can sit here peacefully in my underwear looking at pr0n.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30546550</id>
	<title>Tek War</title>
	<author>noc007</author>
	<datestamp>1261645380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This reminds me of William Shatner's Tek War series.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This reminds me of William Shatner 's Tek War series .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This reminds me of William Shatner's Tek War series.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Normal State</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1261684500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Addicts aren't looking for a "special state". They already are in the phase you describe. They want to get out of the "low state" that ordinary reality has become. It's like hunger or thirst.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Addicts are n't looking for a " special state " .
They already are in the phase you describe .
They want to get out of the " low state " that ordinary reality has become .
It 's like hunger or thirst .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Addicts aren't looking for a "special state".
They already are in the phase you describe.
They want to get out of the "low state" that ordinary reality has become.
It's like hunger or thirst.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30547490</id>
	<title>Re:Normal State</title>
	<author>psithurism</author>
	<datestamp>1261654260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If one is "high all the time," then that state becomes the normal state, and anytime they aren't "high" means they are in a "low state."  Both psychologically and physiologically, one can become tolerant or adjusted to certain states.

<br> <br>

If something is special, doing it all the time detracts from its appeal.</p></div><p>Yes, for normal experiences or drugs this is correct, but stimulating the brain directly may be different. To my knowledge the long term effects of feeling high all the time from nuero-stimulation have not been studied, but I don't see a reason that a constant happy excited feeling being actually produced by your brain would ever have to end. I can theorize many ways you could become tolerant and many reasons why you never would. We will have to see through experimentation what would actually happen.</p></div>
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<tokenext>If one is " high all the time , " then that state becomes the normal state , and anytime they are n't " high " means they are in a " low state .
" Both psychologically and physiologically , one can become tolerant or adjusted to certain states .
If something is special , doing it all the time detracts from its appeal.Yes , for normal experiences or drugs this is correct , but stimulating the brain directly may be different .
To my knowledge the long term effects of feeling high all the time from nuero-stimulation have not been studied , but I do n't see a reason that a constant happy excited feeling being actually produced by your brain would ever have to end .
I can theorize many ways you could become tolerant and many reasons why you never would .
We will have to see through experimentation what would actually happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If one is "high all the time," then that state becomes the normal state, and anytime they aren't "high" means they are in a "low state.
"  Both psychologically and physiologically, one can become tolerant or adjusted to certain states.
If something is special, doing it all the time detracts from its appeal.Yes, for normal experiences or drugs this is correct, but stimulating the brain directly may be different.
To my knowledge the long term effects of feeling high all the time from nuero-stimulation have not been studied, but I don't see a reason that a constant happy excited feeling being actually produced by your brain would ever have to end.
I can theorize many ways you could become tolerant and many reasons why you never would.
We will have to see through experimentation what would actually happen.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545948</id>
	<title>...You'd still call it satan's tool.</title>
	<author>HeckRuler</author>
	<datestamp>1261683540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>this sounds religion-motivated, but that's hardly a drawback of an argument...</p> </div><p>Well, actually, yes it is. Or at the very least it's cause to re-examine the argument and question it at a more fundamental level. Religions are often stuck in their ways and see tradition as a viture in and of itself. These systems are good when things are static, but they suffer when new technology changes how society functions, and they often fight back against that change.  Religions aren't necessarily wrong about everything, indeed they're mostly right, but often for the wrong reason. So instead of taking religious dogma and thumping that, you should examine the dogma, use it to form an argument, and use that instead. And when an argument is whittled away and the only thing that remains is "butbutbut Religion!" that is indeed a sign that your argument is bad. <br> <br>

Stopping unmarried youths from having kids is a good idea. Family stability and all that. But the church didn't fight for family stability, they fought against sex. And not just unmarried sex. In their attempt to save the children (tm), they worked against every and all aspect of sex in society that the unmarried could come into contact with. That included the public and hence the effort to make sex taboo.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>the intense pleasure most participants derive from it is the reward for the excruciating pains of childbirth and hardships of the childrearing</p></div><p> I'm a dude and I enjoy sex. I don't really expect childbirth to hurt all that much. And I've yet to enjoy raising children, but I hope they turn out better then your apparently satanic hellspawn.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Now, what is the justification for a cocaine-user's pleasure?</p></div><p>Well, he paid for it. That's the same justification I use when I play a game or enjoy a candy bar. Whatever floats you boat, right?
<br> <br>
I have to agree with you that this could be abused. And there's plenty of sci-fi works to use as examples. But anything can be abused. Caffeine, trinkets, cats, power, religious fervor, food, fasting, gaming, isolation, social life, ANYTHING! And if someone takes part in/of a phenomena to an extent that it has negative consequences, THAT is the point to be concerned. And it's usually well before that point at which the person realizes the negative consequences and limits him/herself. But this is not a job I want delegated to the church and priests. <br> <br>

So take your right-wing-conservative-religious sense of morals and shove it.</p></div>
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<tokenext>this sounds religion-motivated , but that 's hardly a drawback of an argument... Well , actually , yes it is .
Or at the very least it 's cause to re-examine the argument and question it at a more fundamental level .
Religions are often stuck in their ways and see tradition as a viture in and of itself .
These systems are good when things are static , but they suffer when new technology changes how society functions , and they often fight back against that change .
Religions are n't necessarily wrong about everything , indeed they 're mostly right , but often for the wrong reason .
So instead of taking religious dogma and thumping that , you should examine the dogma , use it to form an argument , and use that instead .
And when an argument is whittled away and the only thing that remains is " butbutbut Religion !
" that is indeed a sign that your argument is bad .
Stopping unmarried youths from having kids is a good idea .
Family stability and all that .
But the church did n't fight for family stability , they fought against sex .
And not just unmarried sex .
In their attempt to save the children ( tm ) , they worked against every and all aspect of sex in society that the unmarried could come into contact with .
That included the public and hence the effort to make sex taboo.the intense pleasure most participants derive from it is the reward for the excruciating pains of childbirth and hardships of the childrearing I 'm a dude and I enjoy sex .
I do n't really expect childbirth to hurt all that much .
And I 've yet to enjoy raising children , but I hope they turn out better then your apparently satanic hellspawn.Now , what is the justification for a cocaine-user 's pleasure ? Well , he paid for it .
That 's the same justification I use when I play a game or enjoy a candy bar .
Whatever floats you boat , right ?
I have to agree with you that this could be abused .
And there 's plenty of sci-fi works to use as examples .
But anything can be abused .
Caffeine , trinkets , cats , power , religious fervor , food , fasting , gaming , isolation , social life , ANYTHING !
And if someone takes part in/of a phenomena to an extent that it has negative consequences , THAT is the point to be concerned .
And it 's usually well before that point at which the person realizes the negative consequences and limits him/herself .
But this is not a job I want delegated to the church and priests .
So take your right-wing-conservative-religious sense of morals and shove it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this sounds religion-motivated, but that's hardly a drawback of an argument... Well, actually, yes it is.
Or at the very least it's cause to re-examine the argument and question it at a more fundamental level.
Religions are often stuck in their ways and see tradition as a viture in and of itself.
These systems are good when things are static, but they suffer when new technology changes how society functions, and they often fight back against that change.
Religions aren't necessarily wrong about everything, indeed they're mostly right, but often for the wrong reason.
So instead of taking religious dogma and thumping that, you should examine the dogma, use it to form an argument, and use that instead.
And when an argument is whittled away and the only thing that remains is "butbutbut Religion!
" that is indeed a sign that your argument is bad.
Stopping unmarried youths from having kids is a good idea.
Family stability and all that.
But the church didn't fight for family stability, they fought against sex.
And not just unmarried sex.
In their attempt to save the children (tm), they worked against every and all aspect of sex in society that the unmarried could come into contact with.
That included the public and hence the effort to make sex taboo.the intense pleasure most participants derive from it is the reward for the excruciating pains of childbirth and hardships of the childrearing I'm a dude and I enjoy sex.
I don't really expect childbirth to hurt all that much.
And I've yet to enjoy raising children, but I hope they turn out better then your apparently satanic hellspawn.Now, what is the justification for a cocaine-user's pleasure?Well, he paid for it.
That's the same justification I use when I play a game or enjoy a candy bar.
Whatever floats you boat, right?
I have to agree with you that this could be abused.
And there's plenty of sci-fi works to use as examples.
But anything can be abused.
Caffeine, trinkets, cats, power, religious fervor, food, fasting, gaming, isolation, social life, ANYTHING!
And if someone takes part in/of a phenomena to an extent that it has negative consequences, THAT is the point to be concerned.
And it's usually well before that point at which the person realizes the negative consequences and limits him/herself.
But this is not a job I want delegated to the church and priests.
So take your right-wing-conservative-religious sense of morals and shove it.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1350229.30545538</id>
	<title>Think it through just a little bit more...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261680960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By allowing "those people" to spend their money on drugs you guarantee that you (and yours) will always have a competitive advantage over them.</p><p>By remaining drug-free, you will (presumably) be healthier, more intelligent, and wealthier.  Thus, you will have access to higher class jobs, a higher class income, and higher class people with whom to socialize and breed.</p><p>If you raise your children to share your values, then they, too, will have this advantage.</p><p>The drug users will, as a consequence of their devotion to drug-use, have to continue working their dead-end jobs in order to feed their drug habit, thus filling an economic role which you do not want to fill.</p><p>Thus, making drugs legal is <i>in the best interest of those who do not wish to use them.</i></p><p>Surely someone who is selfish enough to talk about "unearned pleasure" is selfish enough to allow others to make decisions that will help secure one's own place in the upper echelons of society...no?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By allowing " those people " to spend their money on drugs you guarantee that you ( and yours ) will always have a competitive advantage over them.By remaining drug-free , you will ( presumably ) be healthier , more intelligent , and wealthier .
Thus , you will have access to higher class jobs , a higher class income , and higher class people with whom to socialize and breed.If you raise your children to share your values , then they , too , will have this advantage.The drug users will , as a consequence of their devotion to drug-use , have to continue working their dead-end jobs in order to feed their drug habit , thus filling an economic role which you do not want to fill.Thus , making drugs legal is in the best interest of those who do not wish to use them.Surely someone who is selfish enough to talk about " unearned pleasure " is selfish enough to allow others to make decisions that will help secure one 's own place in the upper echelons of society...no ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By allowing "those people" to spend their money on drugs you guarantee that you (and yours) will always have a competitive advantage over them.By remaining drug-free, you will (presumably) be healthier, more intelligent, and wealthier.
Thus, you will have access to higher class jobs, a higher class income, and higher class people with whom to socialize and breed.If you raise your children to share your values, then they, too, will have this advantage.The drug users will, as a consequence of their devotion to drug-use, have to continue working their dead-end jobs in order to feed their drug habit, thus filling an economic role which you do not want to fill.Thus, making drugs legal is in the best interest of those who do not wish to use them.Surely someone who is selfish enough to talk about "unearned pleasure" is selfish enough to allow others to make decisions that will help secure one's own place in the upper echelons of society...no?</sentencetext>
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