<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_21_1546216</id>
	<title>OSU President Cans Anthrax Vaccine Research On Primates</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1261414380000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Wrath0fb0b writes <i>"Oklahoma State University President Burns Hargis has abruptly <a href="http://www.newsok.com/anthrax-study-rejected-by-osu/article/3421451#ixzz0aIt7Qy5y">canceled an NIH-funded study</a> on an anthrax vaccine in primates. (The primates would have to be euthanized afterward.) There is suspicion that the decision was meant to <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/drugmonkey/2009/12/oklahoma\_legislator\_displeased.php">appease large donor Madeleine Pickens</a>, the wife of noted huntsman T. Boone Pickens, who had previously pressured the school over animal-rights issues. Scientists counter that the study was <a href="http://speakingofresearch.com/2009/12/16/standing-together-widespread-support-for-osu-and-its-research/">approved by the NIH peer-review process</a>, the Institutional Animal Care and Use Committee (IACUC) and subject to the Federal Animal Welfare Act (by virtue of using NIH money) and that the decision by the President has short-circuited months of planning and deliberation on the matter. Hargis has <a href="http://newsok.com/osu-chief-discusses-research-decision/article/3423662?custom\_click=headlines\_widget">denied being influenced by Pickens</a> and cited 'confidential factors' that he couldn't discuss, telling the faculty council that 'to go through every lurid detail is simply not prudent.' A post on Pickens' blog, on the other hand, <a href="http://www.madeleinepickens.com/news/osu-president-cancels-antrax-study-proposal-requiring-primate-euthanasia/">obliquely takes credit for the 'great decision,'</a> noting a faculty member's hunch that the 'generous benefactor to OSU and her ties to the Humane Society of the United States may have played a role in the termination of the project.' Meanwhile, the NIH expressed displeasure at the decision, stating, 'NIH fully expects institutions to honor these assurances and commitment to complete NIH supported projects as requested, approved and funded.' Some OSU scientists speculated that the fiasco would make it harder for them to receive NIH funding in the future."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wrath0fb0b writes " Oklahoma State University President Burns Hargis has abruptly canceled an NIH-funded study on an anthrax vaccine in primates .
( The primates would have to be euthanized afterward .
) There is suspicion that the decision was meant to appease large donor Madeleine Pickens , the wife of noted huntsman T. Boone Pickens , who had previously pressured the school over animal-rights issues .
Scientists counter that the study was approved by the NIH peer-review process , the Institutional Animal Care and Use Committee ( IACUC ) and subject to the Federal Animal Welfare Act ( by virtue of using NIH money ) and that the decision by the President has short-circuited months of planning and deliberation on the matter .
Hargis has denied being influenced by Pickens and cited 'confidential factors ' that he could n't discuss , telling the faculty council that 'to go through every lurid detail is simply not prudent .
' A post on Pickens ' blog , on the other hand , obliquely takes credit for the 'great decision, ' noting a faculty member 's hunch that the 'generous benefactor to OSU and her ties to the Humane Society of the United States may have played a role in the termination of the project .
' Meanwhile , the NIH expressed displeasure at the decision , stating , 'NIH fully expects institutions to honor these assurances and commitment to complete NIH supported projects as requested , approved and funded .
' Some OSU scientists speculated that the fiasco would make it harder for them to receive NIH funding in the future .
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<sentencetext>Wrath0fb0b writes "Oklahoma State University President Burns Hargis has abruptly canceled an NIH-funded study on an anthrax vaccine in primates.
(The primates would have to be euthanized afterward.
) There is suspicion that the decision was meant to appease large donor Madeleine Pickens, the wife of noted huntsman T. Boone Pickens, who had previously pressured the school over animal-rights issues.
Scientists counter that the study was approved by the NIH peer-review process, the Institutional Animal Care and Use Committee (IACUC) and subject to the Federal Animal Welfare Act (by virtue of using NIH money) and that the decision by the President has short-circuited months of planning and deliberation on the matter.
Hargis has denied being influenced by Pickens and cited 'confidential factors' that he couldn't discuss, telling the faculty council that 'to go through every lurid detail is simply not prudent.
' A post on Pickens' blog, on the other hand, obliquely takes credit for the 'great decision,' noting a faculty member's hunch that the 'generous benefactor to OSU and her ties to the Humane Society of the United States may have played a role in the termination of the project.
' Meanwhile, the NIH expressed displeasure at the decision, stating, 'NIH fully expects institutions to honor these assurances and commitment to complete NIH supported projects as requested, approved and funded.
' Some OSU scientists speculated that the fiasco would make it harder for them to receive NIH funding in the future.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514544</id>
	<title>Re:Vaccine funding useless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261422480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If anthrax is what i think it is, then it is impossible to find a vaccine for it because it will mutate fairly quickly.</p></div><p>Who the hell told you that what you think <i>is a fact</i>? Anthrax is what it is, a bacteria, not what you think it is.</p><p>

You == dumbest poster ever.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If anthrax is what i think it is , then it is impossible to find a vaccine for it because it will mutate fairly quickly.Who the hell told you that what you think is a fact ?
Anthrax is what it is , a bacteria , not what you think it is .
You = = dumbest poster ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If anthrax is what i think it is, then it is impossible to find a vaccine for it because it will mutate fairly quickly.Who the hell told you that what you think is a fact?
Anthrax is what it is, a bacteria, not what you think it is.
You == dumbest poster ever.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513730</id>
	<title>Monkey Love</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261418880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The dude was just getting a little side action at the primate house, but got a little too attached.  He had to act quickly and confidentially to save 'Rachel'.  Unfortunately, he didn't think things through.  He's now got anthrax and just ended any chance of a cure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The dude was just getting a little side action at the primate house , but got a little too attached .
He had to act quickly and confidentially to save 'Rachel' .
Unfortunately , he did n't think things through .
He 's now got anthrax and just ended any chance of a cure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The dude was just getting a little side action at the primate house, but got a little too attached.
He had to act quickly and confidentially to save 'Rachel'.
Unfortunately, he didn't think things through.
He's now got anthrax and just ended any chance of a cure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30515952</id>
	<title>Re:Not OSU</title>
	<author>MobyDisk</author>
	<datestamp>1261428960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is that the University of Southern California, or the University of Southern Colorado?  You should be more specific.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that the University of Southern California , or the University of Southern Colorado ?
You should be more specific .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that the University of Southern California, or the University of Southern Colorado?
You should be more specific.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514818</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513834</id>
	<title>Big problem on various levels</title>
	<author>idiot900</author>
	<datestamp>1261419360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What a stupid move.</p><p>NIH study sections will now perceive Oklahoma State as an institution that isn't prepared to do research that they have been awarded a grant to do. There are plenty of other institutions willing keep their promises; why take a chance on this one?</p><p>They'll also have a harder time attracting good faculty who can win grants. Why would a good scientist go to an institution that will arbitrarily stop her research? And why would good scientists who get offers from other institutions choose to stay? That will impact their bottom line.</p><p>Not to mention competent biology students will want to go someplace where politics doesn't interfere in their education.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What a stupid move.NIH study sections will now perceive Oklahoma State as an institution that is n't prepared to do research that they have been awarded a grant to do .
There are plenty of other institutions willing keep their promises ; why take a chance on this one ? They 'll also have a harder time attracting good faculty who can win grants .
Why would a good scientist go to an institution that will arbitrarily stop her research ?
And why would good scientists who get offers from other institutions choose to stay ?
That will impact their bottom line.Not to mention competent biology students will want to go someplace where politics does n't interfere in their education .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a stupid move.NIH study sections will now perceive Oklahoma State as an institution that isn't prepared to do research that they have been awarded a grant to do.
There are plenty of other institutions willing keep their promises; why take a chance on this one?They'll also have a harder time attracting good faculty who can win grants.
Why would a good scientist go to an institution that will arbitrarily stop her research?
And why would good scientists who get offers from other institutions choose to stay?
That will impact their bottom line.Not to mention competent biology students will want to go someplace where politics doesn't interfere in their education.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30515198</id>
	<title>Confidention matters? You're *working* for them!</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1261425300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Hargis has denied being influenced by Pickens and cited 'confidential factors' that he couldn't discuss</p></div><p>How is that even legal? He&rsquo;s working for public research. The only reason he gets to decide things, is because the public <em>allows</em> him to do so, <em>and</em> pays everything around him, including himself.</p><p>Or am I wrong about this?</p><p>And the only reason they let him decide, is because he tells them the reasons and therefore is supposed to e trustworthy.</p><p>So Mr. Pickens, you better explain yourself, if you don&rsquo;t want to get your ass kicked so hard, that you think you&rsquo;re staked! ^^</p><p>Unless I&rsquo;m seriously wrong about his obligations (and in that case, ignore this comment altogether), that&rsquo;s just... I have no words anymore...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hargis has denied being influenced by Pickens and cited 'confidential factors ' that he could n't discussHow is that even legal ?
He    s working for public research .
The only reason he gets to decide things , is because the public allows him to do so , and pays everything around him , including himself.Or am I wrong about this ? And the only reason they let him decide , is because he tells them the reasons and therefore is supposed to e trustworthy.So Mr. Pickens , you better explain yourself , if you don    t want to get your ass kicked so hard , that you think you    re staked !
^ ^ Unless I    m seriously wrong about his obligations ( and in that case , ignore this comment altogether ) , that    s just... I have no words anymore.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hargis has denied being influenced by Pickens and cited 'confidential factors' that he couldn't discussHow is that even legal?
He’s working for public research.
The only reason he gets to decide things, is because the public allows him to do so, and pays everything around him, including himself.Or am I wrong about this?And the only reason they let him decide, is because he tells them the reasons and therefore is supposed to e trustworthy.So Mr. Pickens, you better explain yourself, if you don’t want to get your ass kicked so hard, that you think you’re staked!
^^Unless I’m seriously wrong about his obligations (and in that case, ignore this comment altogether), that’s just... I have no words anymore...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30518404</id>
	<title>Re:hope he switches to PETA members</title>
	<author>reboot246</author>
	<datestamp>1261399260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"We need an ugly animal that's further up the food chain--more human."<br><br>Lawyers!<br>1. They're almost human.<br>2. Nobody likes them.<br>3. There's plenty of 'em!<br>4. And we may be able to rid ourselves of<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; a few politicians, too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" We need an ugly animal that 's further up the food chain--more human. " Lawyers ! 1 .
They 're almost human.2 .
Nobody likes them.3 .
There 's plenty of 'em ! 4 .
And we may be able to rid ourselves of     a few politicians , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"We need an ugly animal that's further up the food chain--more human."Lawyers!1.
They're almost human.2.
Nobody likes them.3.
There's plenty of 'em!4.
And we may be able to rid ourselves of
    a few politicians, too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514048</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261420260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Bad Aspie day? Anyone with half a brain ought to know that colloquially 'animal' is short for 'non-human animal,' when it's used as distinct from 'human.'</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bad Aspie day ?
Anyone with half a brain ought to know that colloquially 'animal ' is short for 'non-human animal, ' when it 's used as distinct from 'human .
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bad Aspie day?
Anyone with half a brain ought to know that colloquially 'animal' is short for 'non-human animal,' when it's used as distinct from 'human.
'</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513954</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30520186</id>
	<title>Experimentation in primates should be outlawed.</title>
	<author>jotaeleemeese</author>
	<datestamp>1261414080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know that many nature TV programs appeal to our instinctive preference for "cute" animals, specially monkeys of any kind, and until recently I was stil in favour of experimentation in primates, if that would save human lives.</p><p>No more.</p><p>When I watched the "Primates" episode of BBC's "Life" TV series a few weeks ago, I became convinced that primates should be granted special status amongst animals, I would go as far as to say that the great apes (chimpanzees, gorillas and orang-utans) should be granted rights akin to human rights.</p><p>If you watch that programme and your heart does not melt when an otherwise unremarkable monkey uses tools, or when a female chimpanzee borrows stones, used as tools, from another chimp, then you simply have no heart.</p><p>Wait, I found the video I am talking about: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7cY3w4tb4" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7cY3w4tb4</a> [youtube.com] (stupid geographic restrictions willing).</p><p>And also one of chimps sharing tools (not the same I saw, which is far more poignant): <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08Irp2UAQxM" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08Irp2UAQxM</a> [youtube.com]</p><p>I think the arguments for using primates for medical research are becoming morally indefensible.</p><p>How can anybody justify any more experimenting with animals like this one?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know that many nature TV programs appeal to our instinctive preference for " cute " animals , specially monkeys of any kind , and until recently I was stil in favour of experimentation in primates , if that would save human lives.No more.When I watched the " Primates " episode of BBC 's " Life " TV series a few weeks ago , I became convinced that primates should be granted special status amongst animals , I would go as far as to say that the great apes ( chimpanzees , gorillas and orang-utans ) should be granted rights akin to human rights.If you watch that programme and your heart does not melt when an otherwise unremarkable monkey uses tools , or when a female chimpanzee borrows stones , used as tools , from another chimp , then you simply have no heart.Wait , I found the video I am talking about : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = zj7cY3w4tb4 [ youtube.com ] ( stupid geographic restrictions willing ) .And also one of chimps sharing tools ( not the same I saw , which is far more poignant ) : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = 08Irp2UAQxM [ youtube.com ] I think the arguments for using primates for medical research are becoming morally indefensible.How can anybody justify any more experimenting with animals like this one ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know that many nature TV programs appeal to our instinctive preference for "cute" animals, specially monkeys of any kind, and until recently I was stil in favour of experimentation in primates, if that would save human lives.No more.When I watched the "Primates" episode of BBC's "Life" TV series a few weeks ago, I became convinced that primates should be granted special status amongst animals, I would go as far as to say that the great apes (chimpanzees, gorillas and orang-utans) should be granted rights akin to human rights.If you watch that programme and your heart does not melt when an otherwise unremarkable monkey uses tools, or when a female chimpanzee borrows stones, used as tools, from another chimp, then you simply have no heart.Wait, I found the video I am talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7cY3w4tb4 [youtube.com] (stupid geographic restrictions willing).And also one of chimps sharing tools (not the same I saw, which is far more poignant): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08Irp2UAQxM [youtube.com]I think the arguments for using primates for medical research are becoming morally indefensible.How can anybody justify any more experimenting with animals like this one?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30520546</id>
	<title>pickens is all about slowing america down</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261418040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>first they attend a conference to depopulate the earth, then they block anthrax vaccines... hmmm i smell a rat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>first they attend a conference to depopulate the earth , then they block anthrax vaccines... hmmm i smell a rat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>first they attend a conference to depopulate the earth, then they block anthrax vaccines... hmmm i smell a rat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30518230</id>
	<title>Re:hope he switches to PETA members</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261398060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Burns Hargis on the other hand, has the kind of face (and moral integrity) that only a mother with a <b>law degree</b> could love.</p><p>See for yourself: http://osu.okstate.edu/images/stories/hargis.jpg</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Burns Hargis on the other hand , has the kind of face ( and moral integrity ) that only a mother with a law degree could love.See for yourself : http : //osu.okstate.edu/images/stories/hargis.jpg</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Burns Hargis on the other hand, has the kind of face (and moral integrity) that only a mother with a law degree could love.See for yourself: http://osu.okstate.edu/images/stories/hargis.jpg</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513582</id>
	<title>hope he switches to PETA members</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261418280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The animal rights peopel have slowed down animal research in the US.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The animal rights peopel have slowed down animal research in the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The animal rights peopel have slowed down animal research in the US.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30516248</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>domatic</author>
	<datestamp>1261387140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The argument is made that way because of the damage that will be done if most innocent people see themselves as potential victims.  When the innocent are punished they'll fear justice rather than the criminals.   That and the ones that do get wronged in this way will have extremely massive chips on their shoulders.  Enough of this makes criminals OF the innocent and dangerous ones at that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The argument is made that way because of the damage that will be done if most innocent people see themselves as potential victims .
When the innocent are punished they 'll fear justice rather than the criminals .
That and the ones that do get wronged in this way will have extremely massive chips on their shoulders .
Enough of this makes criminals OF the innocent and dangerous ones at that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The argument is made that way because of the damage that will be done if most innocent people see themselves as potential victims.
When the innocent are punished they'll fear justice rather than the criminals.
That and the ones that do get wronged in this way will have extremely massive chips on their shoulders.
Enough of this makes criminals OF the innocent and dangerous ones at that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513772</id>
	<title>Antibiotics &amp; PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261419060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>PETA members should be required to disavow all use of antibiotics.  They are, after all, the product of animal "abuse".  This problem would then self-correct nicely.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>PETA members should be required to disavow all use of antibiotics .
They are , after all , the product of animal " abuse " .
This problem would then self-correct nicely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PETA members should be required to disavow all use of antibiotics.
They are, after all, the product of animal "abuse".
This problem would then self-correct nicely.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514322</id>
	<title>just like alot of modern arguments</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261421520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>animal rights boils down to a simple statement. Is a (non-human) animals life worth less than a humans. If you say yes, then animal testing is a no brainer. If you say no, then its not. Of course you have sub-issues like behaving in a humane manner, but that is really not the root of the issue.</p><p>This same simplicity can also be put to things like abortion, guns, and even healthcare***. The problem in our country is that we dont actually try to answer the question at the root of the issue, we nip at the corners, trying to get what we want from laws without making folks actually think or choose. We end up with crappy laws with all kinds of exceptions. Its a very bad way to manage a country IMHO.</p><p>*** Note: Im saying the question is simple, the answer may not be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>animal rights boils down to a simple statement .
Is a ( non-human ) animals life worth less than a humans .
If you say yes , then animal testing is a no brainer .
If you say no , then its not .
Of course you have sub-issues like behaving in a humane manner , but that is really not the root of the issue.This same simplicity can also be put to things like abortion , guns , and even healthcare * * * .
The problem in our country is that we dont actually try to answer the question at the root of the issue , we nip at the corners , trying to get what we want from laws without making folks actually think or choose .
We end up with crappy laws with all kinds of exceptions .
Its a very bad way to manage a country IMHO .
* * * Note : Im saying the question is simple , the answer may not be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>animal rights boils down to a simple statement.
Is a (non-human) animals life worth less than a humans.
If you say yes, then animal testing is a no brainer.
If you say no, then its not.
Of course you have sub-issues like behaving in a humane manner, but that is really not the root of the issue.This same simplicity can also be put to things like abortion, guns, and even healthcare***.
The problem in our country is that we dont actually try to answer the question at the root of the issue, we nip at the corners, trying to get what we want from laws without making folks actually think or choose.
We end up with crappy laws with all kinds of exceptions.
Its a very bad way to manage a country IMHO.
*** Note: Im saying the question is simple, the answer may not be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513726</id>
	<title>Lol, denied being influenced by Pickens</title>
	<author>jayhawk88</author>
	<datestamp>1261418880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look, you might as well be honest about it. T Boone owns your university at this point, everyone knows it. You may as well just rename it for him and get it over with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , you might as well be honest about it .
T Boone owns your university at this point , everyone knows it .
You may as well just rename it for him and get it over with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, you might as well be honest about it.
T Boone owns your university at this point, everyone knows it.
You may as well just rename it for him and get it over with.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30516314</id>
	<title>Re:Big problem on various levels</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261387380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK State doesn't really do much NIH-funded research.  They're eligible for "Academic Research Enhancement Awards" the grants NIH gives out to encourage research at health-related schools that don't actually do research.</p><p>That's fine.  Not all universities want to compete in that area.  There's plenty of good science that isn't biology, and there's even plenty of good biology that doesn't fall under the interests of NIH.  OK State is not at the top of research-centric faculty's list as it is, and welshing on an NIH project isn't likely to change opinions much.  And I'm sure Pickens can replace the lost income (if not the lost credibility</p><p>It is interesting that in Oklahoma, the #5 beef producer and #8 hog producer, there's a fuss over testing anthrax vaccines on non-human primates.  The treatment of food animals and the scale of food animal use is on such a different level than research use that it boggles the mind.  To worry over 20 chimps who will be well housed &amp; fed, entertained, and exposed to anthrax, while ignoring 1.8 million cattle branded, castrated, and de-horned without anesthesia, crammed into feedlots and railcars, and finally killed with a bolt through the brain is completely without perspective.  It's like worrying over a splinter in the arm that wasn't severed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK State does n't really do much NIH-funded research .
They 're eligible for " Academic Research Enhancement Awards " the grants NIH gives out to encourage research at health-related schools that do n't actually do research.That 's fine .
Not all universities want to compete in that area .
There 's plenty of good science that is n't biology , and there 's even plenty of good biology that does n't fall under the interests of NIH .
OK State is not at the top of research-centric faculty 's list as it is , and welshing on an NIH project is n't likely to change opinions much .
And I 'm sure Pickens can replace the lost income ( if not the lost credibilityIt is interesting that in Oklahoma , the # 5 beef producer and # 8 hog producer , there 's a fuss over testing anthrax vaccines on non-human primates .
The treatment of food animals and the scale of food animal use is on such a different level than research use that it boggles the mind .
To worry over 20 chimps who will be well housed &amp; fed , entertained , and exposed to anthrax , while ignoring 1.8 million cattle branded , castrated , and de-horned without anesthesia , crammed into feedlots and railcars , and finally killed with a bolt through the brain is completely without perspective .
It 's like worrying over a splinter in the arm that was n't severed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK State doesn't really do much NIH-funded research.
They're eligible for "Academic Research Enhancement Awards" the grants NIH gives out to encourage research at health-related schools that don't actually do research.That's fine.
Not all universities want to compete in that area.
There's plenty of good science that isn't biology, and there's even plenty of good biology that doesn't fall under the interests of NIH.
OK State is not at the top of research-centric faculty's list as it is, and welshing on an NIH project isn't likely to change opinions much.
And I'm sure Pickens can replace the lost income (if not the lost credibilityIt is interesting that in Oklahoma, the #5 beef producer and #8 hog producer, there's a fuss over testing anthrax vaccines on non-human primates.
The treatment of food animals and the scale of food animal use is on such a different level than research use that it boggles the mind.
To worry over 20 chimps who will be well housed &amp; fed, entertained, and exposed to anthrax, while ignoring 1.8 million cattle branded, castrated, and de-horned without anesthesia, crammed into feedlots and railcars, and finally killed with a bolt through the brain is completely without perspective.
It's like worrying over a splinter in the arm that wasn't severed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30515648</id>
	<title>Re:hope he switches to PETA members</title>
	<author>CrimsonAvenger</author>
	<datestamp>1261427400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Or the animals PETA is euthanizing... Over 85\% of the animals they take in are killed instead of adopted.</p></div></blockquote><p>Keep in mind that PETA doesn't approve of the IDEA of pets.  As far as they're concerned, they're doing good by <b>preventing</b> adoptions of animals.  Killing them is just the easiest way of taking that preventative step.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Or the animals PETA is euthanizing... Over 85 \ % of the animals they take in are killed instead of adopted.Keep in mind that PETA does n't approve of the IDEA of pets .
As far as they 're concerned , they 're doing good by preventing adoptions of animals .
Killing them is just the easiest way of taking that preventative step .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or the animals PETA is euthanizing... Over 85\% of the animals they take in are killed instead of adopted.Keep in mind that PETA doesn't approve of the IDEA of pets.
As far as they're concerned, they're doing good by preventing adoptions of animals.
Killing them is just the easiest way of taking that preventative step.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514818</id>
	<title>Re:Not OSU</title>
	<author>Nyeerrmm</author>
	<datestamp>1261423560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>While the headline should have explicitly stated "Oklahoma State University" rather than simply "OSU," I'm not sure how Ohio gets the right to the acronym.  Growing up in Oklahoma and attending a Big 12 School, my assumption is that OSU refers to Oklahoma State.</p><p>And don't forget those kids in Oregon and their amusingly named mascot -- especially when playing USC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While the headline should have explicitly stated " Oklahoma State University " rather than simply " OSU , " I 'm not sure how Ohio gets the right to the acronym .
Growing up in Oklahoma and attending a Big 12 School , my assumption is that OSU refers to Oklahoma State.And do n't forget those kids in Oregon and their amusingly named mascot -- especially when playing USC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While the headline should have explicitly stated "Oklahoma State University" rather than simply "OSU," I'm not sure how Ohio gets the right to the acronym.
Growing up in Oklahoma and attending a Big 12 School, my assumption is that OSU refers to Oklahoma State.And don't forget those kids in Oregon and their amusingly named mascot -- especially when playing USC.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30515408</id>
	<title>Re:hope he switches to PETA members</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1261426200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Protip: There are worse things than dead.</p><p>E.g. being infected by some cruel disease, and then &ldquo;treated&rdquo; with a just as cruel experimental substance, to then have electrodes in your open brain, or similar sick shit. If that ever happens to me, I hope I&rsquo;m not gotta get &ldquo;saved&rdquo; by some egocentric* dogmatic** tree-hugging &ldquo;p.c.&rdquo; asshole, to become a drooling cripple instead of being freed from it. Because as soon as I can move, I&rsquo;m gonna bash his head in, for not killing me.</p><p>\_\_\_<br>* Egocentric, because those types don&rsquo;t do it to help you. They do it, to compensate their self-hatred of being such an &ldquo;evil human&ldquo; and guilt, that is a result of a fucked up childhood where they were treated just as cruely.<br>** Dogmatic, because they don&rsquo;t care what the actual intent of their principle was, and just insist on it, even when the result is the opposite on the original intent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Protip : There are worse things than dead.E.g .
being infected by some cruel disease , and then    treated    with a just as cruel experimental substance , to then have electrodes in your open brain , or similar sick shit .
If that ever happens to me , I hope I    m not got ta get    saved    by some egocentric * dogmatic * * tree-hugging    p.c.    asshole , to become a drooling cripple instead of being freed from it .
Because as soon as I can move , I    m gon na bash his head in , for not killing me. \ _ \ _ \ _ * Egocentric , because those types don    t do it to help you .
They do it , to compensate their self-hatred of being such an    evil human    and guilt , that is a result of a fucked up childhood where they were treated just as cruely .
* * Dogmatic , because they don    t care what the actual intent of their principle was , and just insist on it , even when the result is the opposite on the original intent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Protip: There are worse things than dead.E.g.
being infected by some cruel disease, and then “treated” with a just as cruel experimental substance, to then have electrodes in your open brain, or similar sick shit.
If that ever happens to me, I hope I’m not gotta get “saved” by some egocentric* dogmatic** tree-hugging “p.c.” asshole, to become a drooling cripple instead of being freed from it.
Because as soon as I can move, I’m gonna bash his head in, for not killing me.\_\_\_* Egocentric, because those types don’t do it to help you.
They do it, to compensate their self-hatred of being such an “evil human“ and guilt, that is a result of a fucked up childhood where they were treated just as cruely.
** Dogmatic, because they don’t care what the actual intent of their principle was, and just insist on it, even when the result is the opposite on the original intent.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30515624</id>
	<title>Stupid for science, smart for football.</title>
	<author>codeAlDente</author>
	<datestamp>1261427280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The move was stupid on one hand, since life sciences at OSU will suffer, but not quite so stupid on the other, since football, geology, and other Pickens-funded programs will be able to continue operating with their enhanced budgets. My guess is that OSU alumni care a lot more about having a good football team than having a respectable life sciences program. I find it personally unfortunate, since I am a NIH-funded researcher and and OSU alumnus. This pretty much eliminates any chance that I might return to OSU for health-related research, and now I must sadly recommend that any pre-college student that's even peripherally interested in life sciences should attend another university.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The move was stupid on one hand , since life sciences at OSU will suffer , but not quite so stupid on the other , since football , geology , and other Pickens-funded programs will be able to continue operating with their enhanced budgets .
My guess is that OSU alumni care a lot more about having a good football team than having a respectable life sciences program .
I find it personally unfortunate , since I am a NIH-funded researcher and and OSU alumnus .
This pretty much eliminates any chance that I might return to OSU for health-related research , and now I must sadly recommend that any pre-college student that 's even peripherally interested in life sciences should attend another university .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The move was stupid on one hand, since life sciences at OSU will suffer, but not quite so stupid on the other, since football, geology, and other Pickens-funded programs will be able to continue operating with their enhanced budgets.
My guess is that OSU alumni care a lot more about having a good football team than having a respectable life sciences program.
I find it personally unfortunate, since I am a NIH-funded researcher and and OSU alumnus.
This pretty much eliminates any chance that I might return to OSU for health-related research, and now I must sadly recommend that any pre-college student that's even peripherally interested in life sciences should attend another university.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513656</id>
	<title>huntsman T. Boone Pickens?</title>
	<author>zerosomething</author>
	<datestamp>1261418580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Where does "huntsman T. Boone Pickens" appear in the original article? I'm not saying he is or isn't a hunter but for accuracy is that phrase in the article? I can't seem to find it? Maybe I'm just blind or didn't see the right article.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where does " huntsman T. Boone Pickens " appear in the original article ?
I 'm not saying he is or is n't a hunter but for accuracy is that phrase in the article ?
I ca n't seem to find it ?
Maybe I 'm just blind or did n't see the right article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where does "huntsman T. Boone Pickens" appear in the original article?
I'm not saying he is or isn't a hunter but for accuracy is that phrase in the article?
I can't seem to find it?
Maybe I'm just blind or didn't see the right article.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513846</id>
	<title>Re:huntsman T. Boone Pickens?</title>
	<author>bsDaemon</author>
	<datestamp>1261419420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It doesn't even mention his hunting in his Wikipedia article, which at the very least casts doubt onto his huntsmanship being "noted," as the summary suggests.  As far as I can tell, he's hardly a Ted Nugent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't even mention his hunting in his Wikipedia article , which at the very least casts doubt onto his huntsmanship being " noted , " as the summary suggests .
As far as I can tell , he 's hardly a Ted Nugent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't even mention his hunting in his Wikipedia article, which at the very least casts doubt onto his huntsmanship being "noted," as the summary suggests.
As far as I can tell, he's hardly a Ted Nugent.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30516458</id>
	<title>Re:hope he switches to PETA members</title>
	<author>StikyPad</author>
	<datestamp>1261388160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>PETA takes a pretty clear stance for pretty much any mammal.  A better example would be single-cell organisms.  As far as I can tell, there are zero references to the widespread abuse of bacteria on the PETA site.  Also <i>hermit</i> crabs need to be saved from children, but lobsters and crabs don't qualify as "sea kittens" in their anti-seafood agenda.  Apparently you're only worth saving if you have an endoskeleton and/or live an idyllic existence free from natural predators.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>PETA takes a pretty clear stance for pretty much any mammal .
A better example would be single-cell organisms .
As far as I can tell , there are zero references to the widespread abuse of bacteria on the PETA site .
Also hermit crabs need to be saved from children , but lobsters and crabs do n't qualify as " sea kittens " in their anti-seafood agenda .
Apparently you 're only worth saving if you have an endoskeleton and/or live an idyllic existence free from natural predators .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PETA takes a pretty clear stance for pretty much any mammal.
A better example would be single-cell organisms.
As far as I can tell, there are zero references to the widespread abuse of bacteria on the PETA site.
Also hermit crabs need to be saved from children, but lobsters and crabs don't qualify as "sea kittens" in their anti-seafood agenda.
Apparently you're only worth saving if you have an endoskeleton and/or live an idyllic existence free from natural predators.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30518120</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>pwfffff</author>
	<datestamp>1261397340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Next thing I know, is you telling me about the &ldquo;supremacy&rdquo; of the &ldquo;white man&rdquo;."</p><p>Wow you go right for the emotional nutsack, don't ya? Let's turn those tactics around:</p><p>"I think animal tests should be replaced by human tests. Pay people. There is always a market price. Just offer enough.<br>If that means it becomes expensive, then so be it."</p><p>Next thing I know, is you telling me about the "morality" of "child labor".</p><p>I mean, if the 7 year old has the risks of getting impaled by a piston while crawling about in large machinery explained to him, then why shouldn't we let him in there? He'll get the Batman DVD we promised him, so where's the harm?</p><p>Actually I don't think that's a good comparison. You probably WOULD support child labor at whatever price the market could handle, but I was trying to show that the poster you were responding to wasn't a white supremacist (even though, according to your logic, their beliefs dictate them to be so).</p><p>"Punishment only &ldquo;helps&rdquo;, as long as you continue to punish. Just as pain killers only &ldquo;help&rdquo; as long as you take them, while continuing to run against the wall."</p><p>Yeah, my dog kept humping things so I sprayed him with water every time he tried. Now that the spray bottle is gone he just rapes me nightly. Oh no, wait... he just doesn't hump things as often. I'd accidentally confused reality with whatever twisted, fantasy world you live in. My bad.</p><p>You might have a point about the death penalty doing little to deter wrongdoers, but that's a totally different situation. It's like you've taken broken fragments of logic from someone debating the death sentence and applied them towards disproving Pavlovian reactions to punishment.</p><p>"People don&rsquo;t do things that they think is wrong."</p><p>No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. If people don't do things that they feel are wrong, then please define the word 'guilt'. Sure, people can be made to feel guilty after an action, but 99\% of guilt comes from someone doing something they KNOW is wrong.</p><p>Like now, for instance. I feel guilty for responding to this nonsense. I can't even finish this post to fully outline how nonsensical yours is. There's nothing to even argue against past a certain point, because you're just rambling about penal colonies and  feeling ALIVE.</p><p>I'm still going to submit this, even though I feel it's wrong. However, if I knew I was going to get punished physically for this post, you probably wouldn't see it here...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Next thing I know , is you telling me about the    supremacy    of the    white man    .
" Wow you go right for the emotional nutsack , do n't ya ?
Let 's turn those tactics around : " I think animal tests should be replaced by human tests .
Pay people .
There is always a market price .
Just offer enough.If that means it becomes expensive , then so be it .
" Next thing I know , is you telling me about the " morality " of " child labor " .I mean , if the 7 year old has the risks of getting impaled by a piston while crawling about in large machinery explained to him , then why should n't we let him in there ?
He 'll get the Batman DVD we promised him , so where 's the harm ? Actually I do n't think that 's a good comparison .
You probably WOULD support child labor at whatever price the market could handle , but I was trying to show that the poster you were responding to was n't a white supremacist ( even though , according to your logic , their beliefs dictate them to be so ) .
" Punishment only    helps    , as long as you continue to punish .
Just as pain killers only    help    as long as you take them , while continuing to run against the wall .
" Yeah , my dog kept humping things so I sprayed him with water every time he tried .
Now that the spray bottle is gone he just rapes me nightly .
Oh no , wait... he just does n't hump things as often .
I 'd accidentally confused reality with whatever twisted , fantasy world you live in .
My bad.You might have a point about the death penalty doing little to deter wrongdoers , but that 's a totally different situation .
It 's like you 've taken broken fragments of logic from someone debating the death sentence and applied them towards disproving Pavlovian reactions to punishment .
" People don    t do things that they think is wrong. " No .
No , no , no , no , no , no , no .
If people do n't do things that they feel are wrong , then please define the word 'guilt' .
Sure , people can be made to feel guilty after an action , but 99 \ % of guilt comes from someone doing something they KNOW is wrong.Like now , for instance .
I feel guilty for responding to this nonsense .
I ca n't even finish this post to fully outline how nonsensical yours is .
There 's nothing to even argue against past a certain point , because you 're just rambling about penal colonies and feeling ALIVE.I 'm still going to submit this , even though I feel it 's wrong .
However , if I knew I was going to get punished physically for this post , you probably would n't see it here.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Next thing I know, is you telling me about the “supremacy” of the “white man”.
"Wow you go right for the emotional nutsack, don't ya?
Let's turn those tactics around:"I think animal tests should be replaced by human tests.
Pay people.
There is always a market price.
Just offer enough.If that means it becomes expensive, then so be it.
"Next thing I know, is you telling me about the "morality" of "child labor".I mean, if the 7 year old has the risks of getting impaled by a piston while crawling about in large machinery explained to him, then why shouldn't we let him in there?
He'll get the Batman DVD we promised him, so where's the harm?Actually I don't think that's a good comparison.
You probably WOULD support child labor at whatever price the market could handle, but I was trying to show that the poster you were responding to wasn't a white supremacist (even though, according to your logic, their beliefs dictate them to be so).
"Punishment only “helps”, as long as you continue to punish.
Just as pain killers only “help” as long as you take them, while continuing to run against the wall.
"Yeah, my dog kept humping things so I sprayed him with water every time he tried.
Now that the spray bottle is gone he just rapes me nightly.
Oh no, wait... he just doesn't hump things as often.
I'd accidentally confused reality with whatever twisted, fantasy world you live in.
My bad.You might have a point about the death penalty doing little to deter wrongdoers, but that's a totally different situation.
It's like you've taken broken fragments of logic from someone debating the death sentence and applied them towards disproving Pavlovian reactions to punishment.
"People don’t do things that they think is wrong."No.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
If people don't do things that they feel are wrong, then please define the word 'guilt'.
Sure, people can be made to feel guilty after an action, but 99\% of guilt comes from someone doing something they KNOW is wrong.Like now, for instance.
I feel guilty for responding to this nonsense.
I can't even finish this post to fully outline how nonsensical yours is.
There's nothing to even argue against past a certain point, because you're just rambling about penal colonies and  feeling ALIVE.I'm still going to submit this, even though I feel it's wrong.
However, if I knew I was going to get punished physically for this post, you probably wouldn't see it here...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514344</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>nycguy</author>
	<datestamp>1261421580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>First off, your archaic use of capitalization is interesting.
<br>
<br>
Animal testing is certainly cruel to the animals involved. Whether that cruelty to animals is justified by the savings in cruelty to humans is a matter of debate.
<br>
<br>
The argument can also be made, though, that some human beings' lives are more valuable than others. Certainly every society practices this, no matter what beliefs they profess, as some members of every society (e.g., chieftans, priesthood, nobility, aristocrats, "party members") receive a disproportionate allocation of that society's resources. So, we could just go down that route. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee\_Study\_of\_Untreated\_Syphilis\_in\_the\_Negro\_Male" title="wikipedia.org">Already done that</a> [wikipedia.org], of course.
<br>
<br>
A better argument against animal testing would be that a society that practices cruelty to animals is one step closer to practicing cruelty to its fellow humans. A society that respects animal life, on the other hand, is more likely to respect human life.
<br>
<br>
Finally, your oft-stated argument that "better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer" is specious. The ten guilty men will almost certainly victimize other innocents, which is why we incarcerate them in the first place. An argument of "better that <i>a</i> guilty man go free than an innocent man suffer" would carry more water.</htmltext>
<tokenext>First off , your archaic use of capitalization is interesting .
Animal testing is certainly cruel to the animals involved .
Whether that cruelty to animals is justified by the savings in cruelty to humans is a matter of debate .
The argument can also be made , though , that some human beings ' lives are more valuable than others .
Certainly every society practices this , no matter what beliefs they profess , as some members of every society ( e.g. , chieftans , priesthood , nobility , aristocrats , " party members " ) receive a disproportionate allocation of that society 's resources .
So , we could just go down that route .
Already done that [ wikipedia.org ] , of course .
A better argument against animal testing would be that a society that practices cruelty to animals is one step closer to practicing cruelty to its fellow humans .
A society that respects animal life , on the other hand , is more likely to respect human life .
Finally , your oft-stated argument that " better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer " is specious .
The ten guilty men will almost certainly victimize other innocents , which is why we incarcerate them in the first place .
An argument of " better that a guilty man go free than an innocent man suffer " would carry more water .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First off, your archaic use of capitalization is interesting.
Animal testing is certainly cruel to the animals involved.
Whether that cruelty to animals is justified by the savings in cruelty to humans is a matter of debate.
The argument can also be made, though, that some human beings' lives are more valuable than others.
Certainly every society practices this, no matter what beliefs they profess, as some members of every society (e.g., chieftans, priesthood, nobility, aristocrats, "party members") receive a disproportionate allocation of that society's resources.
So, we could just go down that route.
Already done that [wikipedia.org], of course.
A better argument against animal testing would be that a society that practices cruelty to animals is one step closer to practicing cruelty to its fellow humans.
A society that respects animal life, on the other hand, is more likely to respect human life.
Finally, your oft-stated argument that "better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer" is specious.
The ten guilty men will almost certainly victimize other innocents, which is why we incarcerate them in the first place.
An argument of "better that a guilty man go free than an innocent man suffer" would carry more water.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514402</id>
	<title>Re:huntsman T. Boone Pickens?</title>
	<author>boxxertrumps</author>
	<datestamp>1261421880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you really need relevancy to call someone "Huntsman T. Boone Pickens"?</p><p>The title and name stir images of a stereotypical english hunter, khakis and all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you really need relevancy to call someone " Huntsman T. Boone Pickens " ? The title and name stir images of a stereotypical english hunter , khakis and all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you really need relevancy to call someone "Huntsman T. Boone Pickens"?The title and name stir images of a stereotypical english hunter, khakis and all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513698</id>
	<title>Not OSU</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261418760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>While I am sure that Oklahoma State University refers to itself as 'OSU' if you go to osu.edu you will get The Ohio State University.</htmltext>
<tokenext>While I am sure that Oklahoma State University refers to itself as 'OSU ' if you go to osu.edu you will get The Ohio State University .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I am sure that Oklahoma State University refers to itself as 'OSU' if you go to osu.edu you will get The Ohio State University.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514770</id>
	<title>An animal-rights activist who hunts?</title>
	<author>zill</author>
	<datestamp>1261423440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...noted huntsman T. Boone Pickens, who had previously pressured the school over animal-rights issues.</p> </div><p>Don't huntsmen shoot and kill animals?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...noted huntsman T. Boone Pickens , who had previously pressured the school over animal-rights issues .
Do n't huntsmen shoot and kill animals ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...noted huntsman T. Boone Pickens, who had previously pressured the school over animal-rights issues.
Don't huntsmen shoot and kill animals?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514080</id>
	<title>6 Billion People ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261420380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... This, by itself, is a problem. Solution? Experiment on some of those "monkeys". Oh, and a certain percentage need to be scientists. Would that be wrong?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... This , by itself , is a problem .
Solution ? Experiment on some of those " monkeys " .
Oh , and a certain percentage need to be scientists .
Would that be wrong ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... This, by itself, is a problem.
Solution? Experiment on some of those "monkeys".
Oh, and a certain percentage need to be scientists.
Would that be wrong?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514242</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261421280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree that certain types of testing shouldn't be done on anyone. The problem I have with all these arguments is that animals (and by that I mean in the sense of non-humans) are not people. I am absolutely against pointless cruelty to anything, however, if I thought that running tests and then euthanizing 500 monkeys would save a single person from death or life with terrible disabilites then say goodbye to the monkeys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree that certain types of testing should n't be done on anyone .
The problem I have with all these arguments is that animals ( and by that I mean in the sense of non-humans ) are not people .
I am absolutely against pointless cruelty to anything , however , if I thought that running tests and then euthanizing 500 monkeys would save a single person from death or life with terrible disabilites then say goodbye to the monkeys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree that certain types of testing shouldn't be done on anyone.
The problem I have with all these arguments is that animals (and by that I mean in the sense of non-humans) are not people.
I am absolutely against pointless cruelty to anything, however, if I thought that running tests and then euthanizing 500 monkeys would save a single person from death or life with terrible disabilites then say goodbye to the monkeys.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30516764</id>
	<title>NIH approval is far too lax</title>
	<author>Improv</author>
	<datestamp>1261389840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've seen the kind of monstrous experiments that have passed an IRB and gotten all kinds of funding. The problem is, so long as it's good research that can't be done any other way, generally these boards are willing to approve horrific things. Lopping off of the top of an ape skull for easy insertion of single cell recording devices, permanently affixing a cat's head into a cement frame to stop it from moving so they can do visual cortex experiments, they may be good science, but they're ethically unacceptable and should be stopped.</p><p>Science is a great thing, but this particular ethics guard doesn't work right - "no other way" should more often mean "no way" rather than "fine"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen the kind of monstrous experiments that have passed an IRB and gotten all kinds of funding .
The problem is , so long as it 's good research that ca n't be done any other way , generally these boards are willing to approve horrific things .
Lopping off of the top of an ape skull for easy insertion of single cell recording devices , permanently affixing a cat 's head into a cement frame to stop it from moving so they can do visual cortex experiments , they may be good science , but they 're ethically unacceptable and should be stopped.Science is a great thing , but this particular ethics guard does n't work right - " no other way " should more often mean " no way " rather than " fine "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen the kind of monstrous experiments that have passed an IRB and gotten all kinds of funding.
The problem is, so long as it's good research that can't be done any other way, generally these boards are willing to approve horrific things.
Lopping off of the top of an ape skull for easy insertion of single cell recording devices, permanently affixing a cat's head into a cement frame to stop it from moving so they can do visual cortex experiments, they may be good science, but they're ethically unacceptable and should be stopped.Science is a great thing, but this particular ethics guard doesn't work right - "no other way" should more often mean "no way" rather than "fine"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514802</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1261423500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Last time I checked, human life was animal life.</i></p><p>You are only human if you read and write American.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last time I checked , human life was animal life.You are only human if you read and write American .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last time I checked, human life was animal life.You are only human if you read and write American.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513966</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30518116</id>
	<title>Good for OSU</title>
	<author>br00tus</author>
	<datestamp>1261397280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only Americans I know who are dead from Anthrax were killed by a chemical warfare researcher working for the US Army, Bruce Edwards Ivans.  So the US army's chemical warfare division developing these virii in order to "protect Americans" just in case the US ever needs to use chemical warfare (beyond napalm, Agent Orange etc.) has only wound up killing Americans.</p><p>Now they want to kill off monkeys in the course of this chemical warfare research as well.  Great, two birds with one stone, we can torture and kill monkeys and boost the US in the field of chemical warfare.</p><p>One thing not mentioned much in the press is that guy at Yale who killed animal researcher Annie Le was the person who took care of the animals there.  He was also known to have complained about how she mistreated the animals.  PETA has complained for years how that lab mistreated animals, for very little constructive reason.</p><p>It is not animals versus humans, it is animals and those working people in the world who are still normal and human versus this OSU collaboration of chemical warfare and animal torture/killing and everything that is along with it.  Abu Ghraib, the US support of Osama bin Laden, the US support of Hussein gassing the Kurds then the corporate media using that as a pretext decades later for invading Iraq, rabid right wing US Army chemical researchers killing Americans with the anthrax the army made, the US support of the coup in Honduras, the massive effort to keep working poor Americans from getting healthcare, SUVs causing global warming with their lobby preventing public transportation, US army bases spread all over the world with poor girls from rural villages in the whorehouses surrounding the bases, the Patriot Act, all of it is just one big thing, the big machine that is destroying life on this planet, people are either support it or don't, and from the comments it's obvious where most people on this board stand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only Americans I know who are dead from Anthrax were killed by a chemical warfare researcher working for the US Army , Bruce Edwards Ivans .
So the US army 's chemical warfare division developing these virii in order to " protect Americans " just in case the US ever needs to use chemical warfare ( beyond napalm , Agent Orange etc .
) has only wound up killing Americans.Now they want to kill off monkeys in the course of this chemical warfare research as well .
Great , two birds with one stone , we can torture and kill monkeys and boost the US in the field of chemical warfare.One thing not mentioned much in the press is that guy at Yale who killed animal researcher Annie Le was the person who took care of the animals there .
He was also known to have complained about how she mistreated the animals .
PETA has complained for years how that lab mistreated animals , for very little constructive reason.It is not animals versus humans , it is animals and those working people in the world who are still normal and human versus this OSU collaboration of chemical warfare and animal torture/killing and everything that is along with it .
Abu Ghraib , the US support of Osama bin Laden , the US support of Hussein gassing the Kurds then the corporate media using that as a pretext decades later for invading Iraq , rabid right wing US Army chemical researchers killing Americans with the anthrax the army made , the US support of the coup in Honduras , the massive effort to keep working poor Americans from getting healthcare , SUVs causing global warming with their lobby preventing public transportation , US army bases spread all over the world with poor girls from rural villages in the whorehouses surrounding the bases , the Patriot Act , all of it is just one big thing , the big machine that is destroying life on this planet , people are either support it or do n't , and from the comments it 's obvious where most people on this board stand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only Americans I know who are dead from Anthrax were killed by a chemical warfare researcher working for the US Army, Bruce Edwards Ivans.
So the US army's chemical warfare division developing these virii in order to "protect Americans" just in case the US ever needs to use chemical warfare (beyond napalm, Agent Orange etc.
) has only wound up killing Americans.Now they want to kill off monkeys in the course of this chemical warfare research as well.
Great, two birds with one stone, we can torture and kill monkeys and boost the US in the field of chemical warfare.One thing not mentioned much in the press is that guy at Yale who killed animal researcher Annie Le was the person who took care of the animals there.
He was also known to have complained about how she mistreated the animals.
PETA has complained for years how that lab mistreated animals, for very little constructive reason.It is not animals versus humans, it is animals and those working people in the world who are still normal and human versus this OSU collaboration of chemical warfare and animal torture/killing and everything that is along with it.
Abu Ghraib, the US support of Osama bin Laden, the US support of Hussein gassing the Kurds then the corporate media using that as a pretext decades later for invading Iraq, rabid right wing US Army chemical researchers killing Americans with the anthrax the army made, the US support of the coup in Honduras, the massive effort to keep working poor Americans from getting healthcare, SUVs causing global warming with their lobby preventing public transportation, US army bases spread all over the world with poor girls from rural villages in the whorehouses surrounding the bases, the Patriot Act, all of it is just one big thing, the big machine that is destroying life on this planet, people are either support it or don't, and from the comments it's obvious where most people on this board stand.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513664</id>
	<title>Primate?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261418580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess the Pope did't volunteer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess the Pope did't volunteer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess the Pope did't volunteer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514070</id>
	<title>Re:IT's really not.</title>
	<author>Sir\_Lewk</author>
	<datestamp>1261420320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well then what is your threshhold?  Is it better to let 5 innocent men suffer than let 10 guilty men go free?  Is it better to let 10 innocent men suffer than let 10 guilty men go free?</p><p>Why don't we just imprison everybody, just to make sure a handful of guilty men don't get through the cracks?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well then what is your threshhold ?
Is it better to let 5 innocent men suffer than let 10 guilty men go free ?
Is it better to let 10 innocent men suffer than let 10 guilty men go free ? Why do n't we just imprison everybody , just to make sure a handful of guilty men do n't get through the cracks ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well then what is your threshhold?
Is it better to let 5 innocent men suffer than let 10 guilty men go free?
Is it better to let 10 innocent men suffer than let 10 guilty men go free?Why don't we just imprison everybody, just to make sure a handful of guilty men don't get through the cracks?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30517268</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>AndersOSU</author>
	<datestamp>1261392240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think you understand exposure testing.</p><p>My company developed a new type of jet fuel that will make all air travel 50\% cheaper and scrub greenhouses gasses as a happy side effect.  The thing is, I have no idea about the toxicity, because no animal in nature has ever encountered this chemical before.  Does one whiff cause instant death?  Does 10 years of exposure cause horrible lung cancer?  If I get it in my eyes will it eat my brain?</p><p>How do I get informed consent for those tests?  Is it more ethical to drive to the nearest underpass and tell the homeless guy, if you drink this I'll give you $100 than to feed it to a rat?  It probably won't do anything, but it might kill you.  It might lead to 20 years of agonizing pain.  But I do know this $100 is yours for the sake of science.</p><p>Then we need to find out if it causes cancer.  All those guys who refuel the planes are going to get at least a little exposure for their entire careers.  I could wait to bring it to market until I run a small 20 year test that might not be statistically significant, or I could pump it into the cages of 1000 mice with controlled environments and diets and see what happens over 7 generations.</p><p>Then you've got mutagenic and teratogenic effects.  I'm sure I could find a pregnant crackhead who would be willing to take money in order to see if the exposure deforms here progeny, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to live with myself if a test turns out positive (and even then was it the test substance or all the other substances she's exposing her body to).  At any rate, I'm much more comfortable taking the chance that a rat might be born without orifices than a human.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think you understand exposure testing.My company developed a new type of jet fuel that will make all air travel 50 \ % cheaper and scrub greenhouses gasses as a happy side effect .
The thing is , I have no idea about the toxicity , because no animal in nature has ever encountered this chemical before .
Does one whiff cause instant death ?
Does 10 years of exposure cause horrible lung cancer ?
If I get it in my eyes will it eat my brain ? How do I get informed consent for those tests ?
Is it more ethical to drive to the nearest underpass and tell the homeless guy , if you drink this I 'll give you $ 100 than to feed it to a rat ?
It probably wo n't do anything , but it might kill you .
It might lead to 20 years of agonizing pain .
But I do know this $ 100 is yours for the sake of science.Then we need to find out if it causes cancer .
All those guys who refuel the planes are going to get at least a little exposure for their entire careers .
I could wait to bring it to market until I run a small 20 year test that might not be statistically significant , or I could pump it into the cages of 1000 mice with controlled environments and diets and see what happens over 7 generations.Then you 've got mutagenic and teratogenic effects .
I 'm sure I could find a pregnant crackhead who would be willing to take money in order to see if the exposure deforms here progeny , but I 'm pretty sure I would n't be able to live with myself if a test turns out positive ( and even then was it the test substance or all the other substances she 's exposing her body to ) .
At any rate , I 'm much more comfortable taking the chance that a rat might be born without orifices than a human .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think you understand exposure testing.My company developed a new type of jet fuel that will make all air travel 50\% cheaper and scrub greenhouses gasses as a happy side effect.
The thing is, I have no idea about the toxicity, because no animal in nature has ever encountered this chemical before.
Does one whiff cause instant death?
Does 10 years of exposure cause horrible lung cancer?
If I get it in my eyes will it eat my brain?How do I get informed consent for those tests?
Is it more ethical to drive to the nearest underpass and tell the homeless guy, if you drink this I'll give you $100 than to feed it to a rat?
It probably won't do anything, but it might kill you.
It might lead to 20 years of agonizing pain.
But I do know this $100 is yours for the sake of science.Then we need to find out if it causes cancer.
All those guys who refuel the planes are going to get at least a little exposure for their entire careers.
I could wait to bring it to market until I run a small 20 year test that might not be statistically significant, or I could pump it into the cages of 1000 mice with controlled environments and diets and see what happens over 7 generations.Then you've got mutagenic and teratogenic effects.
I'm sure I could find a pregnant crackhead who would be willing to take money in order to see if the exposure deforms here progeny, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to live with myself if a test turns out positive (and even then was it the test substance or all the other substances she's exposing her body to).
At any rate, I'm much more comfortable taking the chance that a rat might be born without orifices than a human.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514204</id>
	<title>Re:hope he switches to PETA members</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261420920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By that logic, the whole experiment is pretty evil.  After all, even though antrax isn't "cute", it's still alive.  Sure, it's not furry like rats or monkeys, but does that imply that it has any less right to life?</p><p>Save the bacterium!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By that logic , the whole experiment is pretty evil .
After all , even though antrax is n't " cute " , it 's still alive .
Sure , it 's not furry like rats or monkeys , but does that imply that it has any less right to life ? Save the bacterium !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By that logic, the whole experiment is pretty evil.
After all, even though antrax isn't "cute", it's still alive.
Sure, it's not furry like rats or monkeys, but does that imply that it has any less right to life?Save the bacterium!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30515144</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261425060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, these smallpox drugs are costing me a fortune.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , these smallpox drugs are costing me a fortune .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, these smallpox drugs are costing me a fortune.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514928</id>
	<title>NIH should get their money back</title>
	<author>ilsaloving</author>
	<datestamp>1261424160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NIH agreed to give them money in order to perform research.  They refused to do the research.  In my book, this is fraud and they should be legally obligated to return every cent that NIH gave them for the project.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NIH agreed to give them money in order to perform research .
They refused to do the research .
In my book , this is fraud and they should be legally obligated to return every cent that NIH gave them for the project .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NIH agreed to give them money in order to perform research.
They refused to do the research.
In my book, this is fraud and they should be legally obligated to return every cent that NIH gave them for the project.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514352</id>
	<title>Re:They should "offshore" this.</title>
	<author>canajin56</author>
	<datestamp>1261421580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You say this like it would shock PETA, who themselves advocate this option.  PETA's opinion is that if a disease would kill everybody within a week, but a single animal test could save everybody, animal testing is still not an option.  PETA's founder goes one step further, saying that disease research should not be done at all, even if no animals are harmed, because disease is natures way of correcting the error that allowed humans to exist, and we have no right to fight back, and should just die already and stop raping mother nature.  Of course, she has so far declined polite offers of "You first!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>You say this like it would shock PETA , who themselves advocate this option .
PETA 's opinion is that if a disease would kill everybody within a week , but a single animal test could save everybody , animal testing is still not an option .
PETA 's founder goes one step further , saying that disease research should not be done at all , even if no animals are harmed , because disease is natures way of correcting the error that allowed humans to exist , and we have no right to fight back , and should just die already and stop raping mother nature .
Of course , she has so far declined polite offers of " You first !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You say this like it would shock PETA, who themselves advocate this option.
PETA's opinion is that if a disease would kill everybody within a week, but a single animal test could save everybody, animal testing is still not an option.
PETA's founder goes one step further, saying that disease research should not be done at all, even if no animals are harmed, because disease is natures way of correcting the error that allowed humans to exist, and we have no right to fight back, and should just die already and stop raping mother nature.
Of course, she has so far declined polite offers of "You first!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30517650</id>
	<title>The alternative must have been worse</title>
	<author>Mr. Protocol</author>
	<datestamp>1261394280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As one observer noted, most university presidents are not idiots.  Any that were in there were Darwinned out during the 1960s and not replaced (my own was replaced at that time by a labor negotiator).  Hence, we can assume the alternative was worse.</p><p>There's a likely scenario: Clarabelle Pickens drops her support.  It's a huge chunk of change.  The legislature, strapped, does not replace it.  The NIH grants can't come close to covering it, not to mention the fact they're not growing anyway.  Result: everything gets cut, <i>including the athletic budget.</i>  At this point, for the first time, the alumni get PO'ed and cut <i>their</i> contributions, and all life on earth as we know it comes to an end.</p><p>At that point, losing NIH looks like the best of a bad lot, so the tap-dancing begins.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As one observer noted , most university presidents are not idiots .
Any that were in there were Darwinned out during the 1960s and not replaced ( my own was replaced at that time by a labor negotiator ) .
Hence , we can assume the alternative was worse.There 's a likely scenario : Clarabelle Pickens drops her support .
It 's a huge chunk of change .
The legislature , strapped , does not replace it .
The NIH grants ca n't come close to covering it , not to mention the fact they 're not growing anyway .
Result : everything gets cut , including the athletic budget .
At this point , for the first time , the alumni get PO'ed and cut their contributions , and all life on earth as we know it comes to an end.At that point , losing NIH looks like the best of a bad lot , so the tap-dancing begins .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As one observer noted, most university presidents are not idiots.
Any that were in there were Darwinned out during the 1960s and not replaced (my own was replaced at that time by a labor negotiator).
Hence, we can assume the alternative was worse.There's a likely scenario: Clarabelle Pickens drops her support.
It's a huge chunk of change.
The legislature, strapped, does not replace it.
The NIH grants can't come close to covering it, not to mention the fact they're not growing anyway.
Result: everything gets cut, including the athletic budget.
At this point, for the first time, the alumni get PO'ed and cut their contributions, and all life on earth as we know it comes to an end.At that point, losing NIH looks like the best of a bad lot, so the tap-dancing begins.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513966</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>kdcttg</author>
	<datestamp>1261419900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Maybe then they would understand that Human Life is more valuable than Animal Life.</p></div><p>Last time I checked, human life was animal life.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Just as it is better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer, so it is better that ten animals die in the name of science than one human being die because a vaccine was not properly tested, or, worse still, never brought to market because of a lack of testing.</p></div><p>So are you saying that other animals are intrinsically guilty, and humans innocent by definition? If so, I would have to disagree.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe then they would understand that Human Life is more valuable than Animal Life.Last time I checked , human life was animal life.Just as it is better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer , so it is better that ten animals die in the name of science than one human being die because a vaccine was not properly tested , or , worse still , never brought to market because of a lack of testing.So are you saying that other animals are intrinsically guilty , and humans innocent by definition ?
If so , I would have to disagree .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe then they would understand that Human Life is more valuable than Animal Life.Last time I checked, human life was animal life.Just as it is better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer, so it is better that ten animals die in the name of science than one human being die because a vaccine was not properly tested, or, worse still, never brought to market because of a lack of testing.So are you saying that other animals are intrinsically guilty, and humans innocent by definition?
If so, I would have to disagree.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30515770</id>
	<title>Re:Not OSU</title>
	<author>EricWright</author>
	<datestamp>1261427940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ohio State University<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... excuse me, THE Ohio State University (does that piss anyone else off?) was founded in 1870.  Oklahoma State University was founded in 1890.  I'd say Ohio, err... THE Ohio State University has a 20 year head start if there's going to be a fight over the acronym.</p><p>Just sayin'...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ohio State University ... excuse me , THE Ohio State University ( does that piss anyone else off ?
) was founded in 1870 .
Oklahoma State University was founded in 1890 .
I 'd say Ohio , err... THE Ohio State University has a 20 year head start if there 's going to be a fight over the acronym.Just sayin'.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ohio State University ... excuse me, THE Ohio State University (does that piss anyone else off?
) was founded in 1870.
Oklahoma State University was founded in 1890.
I'd say Ohio, err... THE Ohio State University has a 20 year head start if there's going to be a fight over the acronym.Just sayin'...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514008</id>
	<title>Re:hope he switches to PETA members</title>
	<author>Virak</author>
	<datestamp>1261420020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some would argue that discriminating based on arbitrary metrics like "being alive" is wrong, and that a rock is as equally deserving of rights and freedom as any human.</p><p>These people are quite reasonably regarded as being <i>batshit insane</i>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some would argue that discriminating based on arbitrary metrics like " being alive " is wrong , and that a rock is as equally deserving of rights and freedom as any human.These people are quite reasonably regarded as being batshit insane .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some would argue that discriminating based on arbitrary metrics like "being alive" is wrong, and that a rock is as equally deserving of rights and freedom as any human.These people are quite reasonably regarded as being batshit insane.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30523454</id>
	<title>Re:hope he switches to PETA members</title>
	<author>delt0r</author>
	<datestamp>1261496340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well if you ask me, monkeys are butt ugly and mice are dam cute. Well mice aren't rats, but close enough and they are experimented on just as much if not a lot more than rats.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well if you ask me , monkeys are butt ugly and mice are dam cute .
Well mice are n't rats , but close enough and they are experimented on just as much if not a lot more than rats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well if you ask me, monkeys are butt ugly and mice are dam cute.
Well mice aren't rats, but close enough and they are experimented on just as much if not a lot more than rats.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30516530</id>
	<title>Re:hope he switches to PETA members</title>
	<author>Obfuscant</author>
	<datestamp>1261388520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>because they're like Republicans in that anytime you try to find middle ground, they move the center line.</i> <p>
You were doing so well until you made that off-topic trollish comment.</p><p>
It's a typical liberal rant, calling anything right of Rachel Maddow "radical right", and then pretending that demanding that things be done their way is "bipartisanship". No, getting weak Republicans to vote liberal is not "bipartisanship".</p><p>
<i>It's hard to negotiate with ignorant, closed-mined, intractable people.</i> </p><p>
So you admit that liberals refuse to negotiate? Or just that it's hard to do it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>because they 're like Republicans in that anytime you try to find middle ground , they move the center line .
You were doing so well until you made that off-topic trollish comment .
It 's a typical liberal rant , calling anything right of Rachel Maddow " radical right " , and then pretending that demanding that things be done their way is " bipartisanship " .
No , getting weak Republicans to vote liberal is not " bipartisanship " .
It 's hard to negotiate with ignorant , closed-mined , intractable people .
So you admit that liberals refuse to negotiate ?
Or just that it 's hard to do it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>because they're like Republicans in that anytime you try to find middle ground, they move the center line.
You were doing so well until you made that off-topic trollish comment.
It's a typical liberal rant, calling anything right of Rachel Maddow "radical right", and then pretending that demanding that things be done their way is "bipartisanship".
No, getting weak Republicans to vote liberal is not "bipartisanship".
It's hard to negotiate with ignorant, closed-mined, intractable people.
So you admit that liberals refuse to negotiate?
Or just that it's hard to do it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513992</id>
	<title>Re:hope he switches to PETA members</title>
	<author>nomadic</author>
	<datestamp>1261420020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>The real problem with testing on animals, and then putting them to death, is that monkeys are cute.</i>
<br>
<br>
The real problem is that generations of scientists have been so casual about using animals for experimentation with no ethical concerns whatsoever that it has started to cause problems even when the cause, as it seems to be here, is good.  There has for the most part not been any sort of balance approach -- "will this experiment's social utility in the long term justify the pain inflicted on this particular animal"?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The real problem with testing on animals , and then putting them to death , is that monkeys are cute .
The real problem is that generations of scientists have been so casual about using animals for experimentation with no ethical concerns whatsoever that it has started to cause problems even when the cause , as it seems to be here , is good .
There has for the most part not been any sort of balance approach -- " will this experiment 's social utility in the long term justify the pain inflicted on this particular animal " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real problem with testing on animals, and then putting them to death, is that monkeys are cute.
The real problem is that generations of scientists have been so casual about using animals for experimentation with no ethical concerns whatsoever that it has started to cause problems even when the cause, as it seems to be here, is good.
There has for the most part not been any sort of balance approach -- "will this experiment's social utility in the long term justify the pain inflicted on this particular animal"?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513648</id>
	<title>Re:Vaccine funding useless</title>
	<author>Sir\_Lewk</author>
	<datestamp>1261418520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah of course, all of those PhDs and researchers at Oklahoma State University have been wasting their time.  They should have just asked robinstar1574 on slashdot if it was possible.</p><p>Silly them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah of course , all of those PhDs and researchers at Oklahoma State University have been wasting their time .
They should have just asked robinstar1574 on slashdot if it was possible.Silly them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah of course, all of those PhDs and researchers at Oklahoma State University have been wasting their time.
They should have just asked robinstar1574 on slashdot if it was possible.Silly them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513736</id>
	<title>What? Oh.</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1261418940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Will he be marketing this canned anthrax to the general public? Does Homeland Securitah know about this?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Will he be marketing this canned anthrax to the general public ?
Does Homeland Securitah know about this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will he be marketing this canned anthrax to the general public?
Does Homeland Securitah know about this?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30516716</id>
	<title>Re:hope he switches to PETA members</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261389540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Some would argue that experimentation on rats would be just as wrong, and some would argue that discriminating based on species is wrong, </p></div><p>And some would be idiots. Do you discriminate against chickens by eating them?  No- you are vegan, of course.  Well then fine, you discriminate against asparagus and soybeans.  But that's fine, because you are OK with discriminating outside the animal kingdom. What about the millions of nematodes you kill every time you eat a salad?  Those are animals, just like you.  Since you pretend to be incapable of drawing distinctions between human children and animals, just where is your line? Unless you are a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Breatharian</a> [wikipedia.org], you clearly have no trouble drawing the line somewhere.  Is it just mammals that are protected from "speciesism" in your world?  What about all of the chordates - wouldn't want to hurt a little fishie, would we?  I guess all animals are out of bounds, so let's draw the line at Animalia.  Who are you to be such a Kingdomist fascist?  How can you discriminate against life in other kingdoms?  What makes you better than cyanobacteria?  Reductio ad absurdum is a valid argument in this case, since we really didn't have to do any reduction.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some would argue that experimentation on rats would be just as wrong , and some would argue that discriminating based on species is wrong , And some would be idiots .
Do you discriminate against chickens by eating them ?
No- you are vegan , of course .
Well then fine , you discriminate against asparagus and soybeans .
But that 's fine , because you are OK with discriminating outside the animal kingdom .
What about the millions of nematodes you kill every time you eat a salad ?
Those are animals , just like you .
Since you pretend to be incapable of drawing distinctions between human children and animals , just where is your line ?
Unless you are a Breatharian [ wikipedia.org ] , you clearly have no trouble drawing the line somewhere .
Is it just mammals that are protected from " speciesism " in your world ?
What about all of the chordates - would n't want to hurt a little fishie , would we ?
I guess all animals are out of bounds , so let 's draw the line at Animalia .
Who are you to be such a Kingdomist fascist ?
How can you discriminate against life in other kingdoms ?
What makes you better than cyanobacteria ?
Reductio ad absurdum is a valid argument in this case , since we really did n't have to do any reduction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Some would argue that experimentation on rats would be just as wrong, and some would argue that discriminating based on species is wrong, And some would be idiots.
Do you discriminate against chickens by eating them?
No- you are vegan, of course.
Well then fine, you discriminate against asparagus and soybeans.
But that's fine, because you are OK with discriminating outside the animal kingdom.
What about the millions of nematodes you kill every time you eat a salad?
Those are animals, just like you.
Since you pretend to be incapable of drawing distinctions between human children and animals, just where is your line?
Unless you are a Breatharian [wikipedia.org], you clearly have no trouble drawing the line somewhere.
Is it just mammals that are protected from "speciesism" in your world?
What about all of the chordates - wouldn't want to hurt a little fishie, would we?
I guess all animals are out of bounds, so let's draw the line at Animalia.
Who are you to be such a Kingdomist fascist?
How can you discriminate against life in other kingdoms?
What makes you better than cyanobacteria?
Reductio ad absurdum is a valid argument in this case, since we really didn't have to do any reduction.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514226</id>
	<title>Re:Big problem on various levels</title>
	<author>Sprouticus</author>
	<datestamp>1261421100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the fault in your statement is that you assume that people in OK want science in their state to begin with...</p><p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/tfk/2009/03/oklahoma\_hates\_richard\_dawkins.php" title="scienceblogs.com" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/tfk/2009/03/oklahoma\_hates\_richard\_dawkins.php</a> [scienceblogs.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the fault in your statement is that you assume that people in OK want science in their state to begin with...http : //scienceblogs.com/tfk/2009/03/oklahoma \ _hates \ _richard \ _dawkins.php [ scienceblogs.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the fault in your statement is that you assume that people in OK want science in their state to begin with...http://scienceblogs.com/tfk/2009/03/oklahoma\_hates\_richard\_dawkins.php [scienceblogs.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513712</id>
	<title>I prefer bottles</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261418820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Call me a snob, but canned anthrax vaccine tastes like aluminum.    And it should be poured into a glass so that it develops a nice head.  Keep in mind, most of the flavor is actually the aroma, or "nose," as it's called.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Call me a snob , but canned anthrax vaccine tastes like aluminum .
And it should be poured into a glass so that it develops a nice head .
Keep in mind , most of the flavor is actually the aroma , or " nose , " as it 's called .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Call me a snob, but canned anthrax vaccine tastes like aluminum.
And it should be poured into a glass so that it develops a nice head.
Keep in mind, most of the flavor is actually the aroma, or "nose," as it's called.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514202</id>
	<title>Re:hope he switches to PETA members</title>
	<author>iamapizza</author>
	<datestamp>1261420920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Monkeys being cute has everything to do with it (OK, not everything, but plays a big role).  Related to cuteness - why do you think "save the pandas" is such a popular thing?  Next to the animals that <em>are</em> endangered and which are important to the eco-tree, pandas are practically useless.  They're only popular because they're cute (another case in point is WWF's logo).  It's aptly named  <a href="http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/endangered\_species.shtml" title="scienceagogo.com">survival of the cutest</a> [scienceagogo.com].  Another reason monkeys factor in so much is because in terms of appearance, they're closer to us than the rats.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Monkeys being cute has everything to do with it ( OK , not everything , but plays a big role ) .
Related to cuteness - why do you think " save the pandas " is such a popular thing ?
Next to the animals that are endangered and which are important to the eco-tree , pandas are practically useless .
They 're only popular because they 're cute ( another case in point is WWF 's logo ) .
It 's aptly named survival of the cutest [ scienceagogo.com ] .
Another reason monkeys factor in so much is because in terms of appearance , they 're closer to us than the rats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Monkeys being cute has everything to do with it (OK, not everything, but plays a big role).
Related to cuteness - why do you think "save the pandas" is such a popular thing?
Next to the animals that are endangered and which are important to the eco-tree, pandas are practically useless.
They're only popular because they're cute (another case in point is WWF's logo).
It's aptly named  survival of the cutest [scienceagogo.com].
Another reason monkeys factor in so much is because in terms of appearance, they're closer to us than the rats.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30556692</id>
	<title>Re:Vaccine funding useless</title>
	<author>Jimmy\_Slimmy</author>
	<datestamp>1261851300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apparently, anthrax is not what you think it is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently , anthrax is not what you think it is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently, anthrax is not what you think it is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30517022</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261391040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think they already tried that.  It's called "Australia" today.  It seems that it worked pretty much the way you envision.  I don't think they'd be keen on you trying it there today though....</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think they already tried that .
It 's called " Australia " today .
It seems that it worked pretty much the way you envision .
I do n't think they 'd be keen on you trying it there today though... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think they already tried that.
It's called "Australia" today.
It seems that it worked pretty much the way you envision.
I don't think they'd be keen on you trying it there today though....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30515914</id>
	<title>To all prospective students and funding agencies:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261428840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We are a party school and a living joke.  Please go elsewhere.</p><p>-- Burns Hargis, OSU President</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We are a party school and a living joke .
Please go elsewhere.-- Burns Hargis , OSU President</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are a party school and a living joke.
Please go elsewhere.-- Burns Hargis, OSU President</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514006</id>
	<title>Re:Big problem on various levels</title>
	<author>Weedhopper</author>
	<datestamp>1261420020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the long run, it'll work out better for everyone else involved.  The only loser here is Oklahoma State.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the long run , it 'll work out better for everyone else involved .
The only loser here is Oklahoma State .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the long run, it'll work out better for everyone else involved.
The only loser here is Oklahoma State.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30516836</id>
	<title>Sounds to me like he's just contributing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261390200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>to a solution to human over-population. Carry on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>to a solution to human over-population .
Carry on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to a solution to human over-population.
Carry on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30516062</id>
	<title>Re:Vaccine funding useless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261386360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The NIH is only funding this 'research' to develop more efficient weaponized anthrax for the next 'terrorist attack' of which the government will use to justify martial law and complete the police state. America's intelligence agencies and the military are who's in charge, your congress is only a series of glorified debate teams. The 'common man' Obama was only brought in to keep the proles happy - it's political science 101.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The NIH is only funding this 'research ' to develop more efficient weaponized anthrax for the next 'terrorist attack ' of which the government will use to justify martial law and complete the police state .
America 's intelligence agencies and the military are who 's in charge , your congress is only a series of glorified debate teams .
The 'common man ' Obama was only brought in to keep the proles happy - it 's political science 101 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The NIH is only funding this 'research' to develop more efficient weaponized anthrax for the next 'terrorist attack' of which the government will use to justify martial law and complete the police state.
America's intelligence agencies and the military are who's in charge, your congress is only a series of glorified debate teams.
The 'common man' Obama was only brought in to keep the proles happy - it's political science 101.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514056</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>Old97</author>
	<datestamp>1261420260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some kinds of animal testing is animal cruelty.  It depends on how it is conducted and for what purpose.  A lot of abuse has occurred over the years which is why the scientific community and its funders have invested heavily in developing protocols, review processes and inspections to prevent abuses.  In my review the research should be for a very important purpose and researchers should take maxim care to avoid inflicting unnecessary pain or discomfort.  Anthrax vaccines seem to be an important purpose.  Eye liner and other cosmetics don't meet my standard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some kinds of animal testing is animal cruelty .
It depends on how it is conducted and for what purpose .
A lot of abuse has occurred over the years which is why the scientific community and its funders have invested heavily in developing protocols , review processes and inspections to prevent abuses .
In my review the research should be for a very important purpose and researchers should take maxim care to avoid inflicting unnecessary pain or discomfort .
Anthrax vaccines seem to be an important purpose .
Eye liner and other cosmetics do n't meet my standard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some kinds of animal testing is animal cruelty.
It depends on how it is conducted and for what purpose.
A lot of abuse has occurred over the years which is why the scientific community and its funders have invested heavily in developing protocols, review processes and inspections to prevent abuses.
In my review the research should be for a very important purpose and researchers should take maxim care to avoid inflicting unnecessary pain or discomfort.
Anthrax vaccines seem to be an important purpose.
Eye liner and other cosmetics don't meet my standard.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30516734</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261389600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I worked at a Humane Society once. Animal Testing is not Animal Cruelty.</p><p>I wish that everyone who thinks we shouldn't do animal testing would volunteer to be have said tests run on themselves. Maybe then they would understand that Human Life is more valuable than Animal Life.</p></div></blockquote><p>Let me get this right... You claim that this testing is not cruelty, and then you want the people who claim that it IS cruelty to volunteer to be victims of what they consider cruelty? That seems really backwards to me. As the one who claims it is not cruelty, YOU should be the one to volunteer. That wouldn't be a problem, right? It's not cruelty in your opinion.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked at a Humane Society once .
Animal Testing is not Animal Cruelty.I wish that everyone who thinks we should n't do animal testing would volunteer to be have said tests run on themselves .
Maybe then they would understand that Human Life is more valuable than Animal Life.Let me get this right... You claim that this testing is not cruelty , and then you want the people who claim that it IS cruelty to volunteer to be victims of what they consider cruelty ?
That seems really backwards to me .
As the one who claims it is not cruelty , YOU should be the one to volunteer .
That would n't be a problem , right ?
It 's not cruelty in your opinion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked at a Humane Society once.
Animal Testing is not Animal Cruelty.I wish that everyone who thinks we shouldn't do animal testing would volunteer to be have said tests run on themselves.
Maybe then they would understand that Human Life is more valuable than Animal Life.Let me get this right... You claim that this testing is not cruelty, and then you want the people who claim that it IS cruelty to volunteer to be victims of what they consider cruelty?
That seems really backwards to me.
As the one who claims it is not cruelty, YOU should be the one to volunteer.
That wouldn't be a problem, right?
It's not cruelty in your opinion.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513544</id>
	<title>Vaccine funding useless</title>
	<author>robinstar1574</author>
	<datestamp>1261418100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If anthrax is what i think it is, then it is impossible to find a vaccine for it because it will mutate fairly quickly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If anthrax is what i think it is , then it is impossible to find a vaccine for it because it will mutate fairly quickly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If anthrax is what i think it is, then it is impossible to find a vaccine for it because it will mutate fairly quickly.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514636</id>
	<title>Re:Big problem on various levels</title>
	<author>SimonJG</author>
	<datestamp>1261422900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Absolutely the NIH should stop funding OSU.</p><p>$5 million is significantly less than the NIH funding that OSU has received.  From the NIH site it seems that OSU at its various sites gets between $3.4 million (2008) to $10 million (2006) each YEAR from the NIH.  Clearly the University has more to loose from upsetting the NIH than the Boone-Pickens family.  Unless, of course, there is something we don't yet know about.</p><p>Alternatively, the President should grow some balls.</p><p>Source:     <a href="http://report.nih.gov/award/trends/State\_Congressional/StateDetail.cfm?State=OKLAHOMA" title="nih.gov" rel="nofollow">http://report.nih.gov/award/trends/State\_Congressional/StateDetail.cfm?State=OKLAHOMA</a> [nih.gov] </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Absolutely the NIH should stop funding OSU. $ 5 million is significantly less than the NIH funding that OSU has received .
From the NIH site it seems that OSU at its various sites gets between $ 3.4 million ( 2008 ) to $ 10 million ( 2006 ) each YEAR from the NIH .
Clearly the University has more to loose from upsetting the NIH than the Boone-Pickens family .
Unless , of course , there is something we do n't yet know about.Alternatively , the President should grow some balls.Source : http : //report.nih.gov/award/trends/State \ _Congressional/StateDetail.cfm ? State = OKLAHOMA [ nih.gov ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Absolutely the NIH should stop funding OSU.$5 million is significantly less than the NIH funding that OSU has received.
From the NIH site it seems that OSU at its various sites gets between $3.4 million (2008) to $10 million (2006) each YEAR from the NIH.
Clearly the University has more to loose from upsetting the NIH than the Boone-Pickens family.
Unless, of course, there is something we don't yet know about.Alternatively, the President should grow some balls.Source:     http://report.nih.gov/award/trends/State\_Congressional/StateDetail.cfm?State=OKLAHOMA [nih.gov] </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30517890</id>
	<title>When will it all stop...</title>
	<author>Phoobarnvaz</author>
	<datestamp>1261395840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The past month has not been kind to Oklahoma. First...the legislature demanded that women seeking abortions will have a state mandated questionnaire without "revealing" personal information posted on the web for all to see. Secondly...this. <br> <br>What's next...outlawing masterbation...cohabitation by either male or female...whether or not both are married to each other? (Sorry...can't use the word sex when talking about the act or when referring to men or women...since it doesn't exist there by religious/political order.) <br> <br>As for myself...am thinking about busting my own nut...screwing someone I'm not going to be married to in order to not have children &amp; getting full release...FINALLY...on the front windows of the republican party of Oklahoma...as well as the front steps of some wackjob religious organization. (Sorry...I forgot...I have to head to Colorado Springs to do the final one. My bad)</htmltext>
<tokenext>The past month has not been kind to Oklahoma .
First...the legislature demanded that women seeking abortions will have a state mandated questionnaire without " revealing " personal information posted on the web for all to see .
Secondly...this. What 's next...outlawing masterbation...cohabitation by either male or female...whether or not both are married to each other ?
( Sorry...ca n't use the word sex when talking about the act or when referring to men or women...since it does n't exist there by religious/political order .
) As for myself...am thinking about busting my own nut...screwing someone I 'm not going to be married to in order to not have children &amp; getting full release...FINALLY...on the front windows of the republican party of Oklahoma...as well as the front steps of some wackjob religious organization .
( Sorry...I forgot...I have to head to Colorado Springs to do the final one .
My bad )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The past month has not been kind to Oklahoma.
First...the legislature demanded that women seeking abortions will have a state mandated questionnaire without "revealing" personal information posted on the web for all to see.
Secondly...this.  What's next...outlawing masterbation...cohabitation by either male or female...whether or not both are married to each other?
(Sorry...can't use the word sex when talking about the act or when referring to men or women...since it doesn't exist there by religious/political order.
)  As for myself...am thinking about busting my own nut...screwing someone I'm not going to be married to in order to not have children &amp; getting full release...FINALLY...on the front windows of the republican party of Oklahoma...as well as the front steps of some wackjob religious organization.
(Sorry...I forgot...I have to head to Colorado Springs to do the final one.
My bad)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514374</id>
	<title>Re:hope he switches to PETA members</title>
	<author>Aeros</author>
	<datestamp>1261421760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cant they somehow just find a way to research on the animal rights people?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cant they somehow just find a way to research on the animal rights people ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cant they somehow just find a way to research on the animal rights people?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30516390</id>
	<title>Re:hope he switches to PETA members</title>
	<author>herojig</author>
	<datestamp>1261387800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>@ Peter303: That would be slowed down bio-terror research using animals as guinea pigs, so to speak.  As one of those people, I take a little credit for that: <a href="http://www.animalnepal.org/campaigns.htm#monkey" title="animalnepal.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.animalnepal.org/campaigns.htm#monkey</a> [animalnepal.org] . But the primate situation is one of economics.  The US liked Nepalese Rhesus (they were being exported for less then 100USD per (shipping not included), until we quashed that. They even tried to start a breeding center here in Lele, but the new government said no way. Vietnamese/Chinese/etc. Rhesus cost far more, and if ur just gunna gas them once and throw them away, that can get costly. I have a feeling that was also a consideration.</htmltext>
<tokenext>@ Peter303 : That would be slowed down bio-terror research using animals as guinea pigs , so to speak .
As one of those people , I take a little credit for that : http : //www.animalnepal.org/campaigns.htm # monkey [ animalnepal.org ] .
But the primate situation is one of economics .
The US liked Nepalese Rhesus ( they were being exported for less then 100USD per ( shipping not included ) , until we quashed that .
They even tried to start a breeding center here in Lele , but the new government said no way .
Vietnamese/Chinese/etc. Rhesus cost far more , and if ur just gunna gas them once and throw them away , that can get costly .
I have a feeling that was also a consideration .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>@ Peter303: That would be slowed down bio-terror research using animals as guinea pigs, so to speak.
As one of those people, I take a little credit for that: http://www.animalnepal.org/campaigns.htm#monkey [animalnepal.org] .
But the primate situation is one of economics.
The US liked Nepalese Rhesus (they were being exported for less then 100USD per (shipping not included), until we quashed that.
They even tried to start a breeding center here in Lele, but the new government said no way.
Vietnamese/Chinese/etc. Rhesus cost far more, and if ur just gunna gas them once and throw them away, that can get costly.
I have a feeling that was also a consideration.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30515164</id>
	<title>Re:Not OSU</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261425120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, because no three letter acronym has ever had to be shared between two different things! Why, People might confuse "Asynchronous Transfer Mode" and "Automated Teller Machines"! Or the "National Recovery Administration" And the "National Rifle Association"! The "American Broadcast Corporation" and the "Australian Broadcast Corporation"! No sir, there's only one 'thing' per acronym, and that's enforced!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , because no three letter acronym has ever had to be shared between two different things !
Why , People might confuse " Asynchronous Transfer Mode " and " Automated Teller Machines " !
Or the " National Recovery Administration " And the " National Rifle Association " !
The " American Broadcast Corporation " and the " Australian Broadcast Corporation " !
No sir , there 's only one 'thing ' per acronym , and that 's enforced !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, because no three letter acronym has ever had to be shared between two different things!
Why, People might confuse "Asynchronous Transfer Mode" and "Automated Teller Machines"!
Or the "National Recovery Administration" And the "National Rifle Association"!
The "American Broadcast Corporation" and the "Australian Broadcast Corporation"!
No sir, there's only one 'thing' per acronym, and that's enforced!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30515510</id>
	<title>Re:hope he switches to PETA members</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261426740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you really want to talk hypocrisy, note how PETA president Ingrid Newkirk has no problems about using <a href="http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2007/11/peta-hypocrisy.html" title="blogs.com" rel="nofollow">medical techniques</a> [blogs.com] developed from animal testing to help herself, or how PETA vice president Mary Beth Sweetland keeps herself alive with animal tested and derived <a href="http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news\_detail.cfm/h/2343-the-peta-principle-lab-rats-over-sick-kids" title="consumerfreedom.com" rel="nofollow">insulin.</a> [consumerfreedom.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you really want to talk hypocrisy , note how PETA president Ingrid Newkirk has no problems about using medical techniques [ blogs.com ] developed from animal testing to help herself , or how PETA vice president Mary Beth Sweetland keeps herself alive with animal tested and derived insulin .
[ consumerfreedom.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you really want to talk hypocrisy, note how PETA president Ingrid Newkirk has no problems about using medical techniques [blogs.com] developed from animal testing to help herself, or how PETA vice president Mary Beth Sweetland keeps herself alive with animal tested and derived insulin.
[consumerfreedom.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513940</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>DoofusOfDeath</author>
	<datestamp>1261419840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I worked at a Humane Society once. Animal Testing is not Animal Cruelty.</p><p>I wish that everyone who thinks we shouldn't do animal testing would volunteer to be have said tests run on themselves.</p></div></blockquote><p>Doesn't it matter what the purpose of the testing is?</p><p>I'm all behind using primate models for antibiotic testing.  I'm entirely against animal models for cosmetics research.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked at a Humane Society once .
Animal Testing is not Animal Cruelty.I wish that everyone who thinks we should n't do animal testing would volunteer to be have said tests run on themselves.Does n't it matter what the purpose of the testing is ? I 'm all behind using primate models for antibiotic testing .
I 'm entirely against animal models for cosmetics research .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked at a Humane Society once.
Animal Testing is not Animal Cruelty.I wish that everyone who thinks we shouldn't do animal testing would volunteer to be have said tests run on themselves.Doesn't it matter what the purpose of the testing is?I'm all behind using primate models for antibiotic testing.
I'm entirely against animal models for cosmetics research.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513786</id>
	<title>They should "offshore" this.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261419120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am certain that the Chinese would take this research money, and use political prisoners instead of primates for experimentation. They then can "euthanize" them after the experiment, and PETA would not complain. Besides, they would probably have "euthanized" them anyway.</p><p>Better yet, some US Pharma company can fund this on the cheap, then patent the resulting drug and make huge profits.</p><p>Works out all the way around, well, except for the subjects of the experiment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am certain that the Chinese would take this research money , and use political prisoners instead of primates for experimentation .
They then can " euthanize " them after the experiment , and PETA would not complain .
Besides , they would probably have " euthanized " them anyway.Better yet , some US Pharma company can fund this on the cheap , then patent the resulting drug and make huge profits.Works out all the way around , well , except for the subjects of the experiment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am certain that the Chinese would take this research money, and use political prisoners instead of primates for experimentation.
They then can "euthanize" them after the experiment, and PETA would not complain.
Besides, they would probably have "euthanized" them anyway.Better yet, some US Pharma company can fund this on the cheap, then patent the resulting drug and make huge profits.Works out all the way around, well, except for the subjects of the experiment.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513954</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>Gerafix</author>
	<datestamp>1261419900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Human life more valuable than animal life? Talk about a redundant statement. Newsflash, humans are animals. If you wanted to be intellectually honest you should just say humans are more important than other "lower" animals. It's not like we are part of the web of life or anything, humans are obviously gods amongst animals.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Human life more valuable than animal life ?
Talk about a redundant statement .
Newsflash , humans are animals .
If you wanted to be intellectually honest you should just say humans are more important than other " lower " animals .
It 's not like we are part of the web of life or anything , humans are obviously gods amongst animals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Human life more valuable than animal life?
Talk about a redundant statement.
Newsflash, humans are animals.
If you wanted to be intellectually honest you should just say humans are more important than other "lower" animals.
It's not like we are part of the web of life or anything, humans are obviously gods amongst animals.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514664</id>
	<title>Peta and the HSUS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261423020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Or HSUS members. The only difference between PETA and the HSUS is the latter wear nice suits and pretend to be related to your local humane society when they're collecting money and/or lobbying for crazy animal rights causes.</p><p>
&nbsp; Support your local humane society, <b>not</b> the HSUS. <i>No money donated to the HSUS will go to support any animal shelter anywhere</i> - it will only go to close them all down for being immoral, which will lead to massive overpopulation and suffering in your local animal population.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or HSUS members .
The only difference between PETA and the HSUS is the latter wear nice suits and pretend to be related to your local humane society when they 're collecting money and/or lobbying for crazy animal rights causes .
  Support your local humane society , not the HSUS .
No money donated to the HSUS will go to support any animal shelter anywhere - it will only go to close them all down for being immoral , which will lead to massive overpopulation and suffering in your local animal population .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or HSUS members.
The only difference between PETA and the HSUS is the latter wear nice suits and pretend to be related to your local humane society when they're collecting money and/or lobbying for crazy animal rights causes.
  Support your local humane society, not the HSUS.
No money donated to the HSUS will go to support any animal shelter anywhere - it will only go to close them all down for being immoral, which will lead to massive overpopulation and suffering in your local animal population.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514028</id>
	<title>So what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261420140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If anthrax is what you think it is, then it would be interesting to know what you think it was apart from what we already know, thankyouverymuch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If anthrax is what you think it is , then it would be interesting to know what you think it was apart from what we already know , thankyouverymuch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If anthrax is what you think it is, then it would be interesting to know what you think it was apart from what we already know, thankyouverymuch.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513840</id>
	<title>Re:Not OSU</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261419420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah OSU != Oklahoma State University, OSU = Ohio State University</p><p>Also, Ohio state was established 20 years before Oklahoma state.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah OSU ! = Oklahoma State University , OSU = Ohio State UniversityAlso , Ohio state was established 20 years before Oklahoma state .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah OSU != Oklahoma State University, OSU = Ohio State UniversityAlso, Ohio state was established 20 years before Oklahoma state.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513640</id>
	<title>Animal rights activists...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261418460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>will still take the drugs tested on animals when they become ill.</p><p>I say we test drugs not on animals but on the activists? I think we'll get more realistic results...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>will still take the drugs tested on animals when they become ill.I say we test drugs not on animals but on the activists ?
I think we 'll get more realistic results.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>will still take the drugs tested on animals when they become ill.I say we test drugs not on animals but on the activists?
I think we'll get more realistic results...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514854</id>
	<title>Re:hope he switches to PETA members</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261423800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr><i>...the majority would be shocked and disgusted at the thought of experimenting on one, so why should we experiment on the monkeys?</i>

</p><p>Having been part of animal experiments in the past, this isn't easy subject.  I think sometimes the scientific community does get a little impatient with animal rights organizations because they're like Republicans in that anytime you try to find middle ground, they move the center line.  It's hard to negotiate with ignorant, closed-mined, intractable people.

</p><p>Absent on the other side is recognition that the alternative is experimenting on humans.  Cell culture experiments will only tell you about toxicity, not other systemic side effects.  If a few monkeys lose their lives in the quest to save humans infected with anthrax, I'm okay with that.  It's sad and shouldn't be done lightly, but there isn't really any alternative.  It would be great if we lived in a world where we didn't have to use animals for food or experimentation, but it's just not the reality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...the majority would be shocked and disgusted at the thought of experimenting on one , so why should we experiment on the monkeys ?
Having been part of animal experiments in the past , this is n't easy subject .
I think sometimes the scientific community does get a little impatient with animal rights organizations because they 're like Republicans in that anytime you try to find middle ground , they move the center line .
It 's hard to negotiate with ignorant , closed-mined , intractable people .
Absent on the other side is recognition that the alternative is experimenting on humans .
Cell culture experiments will only tell you about toxicity , not other systemic side effects .
If a few monkeys lose their lives in the quest to save humans infected with anthrax , I 'm okay with that .
It 's sad and should n't be done lightly , but there is n't really any alternative .
It would be great if we lived in a world where we did n't have to use animals for food or experimentation , but it 's just not the reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...the majority would be shocked and disgusted at the thought of experimenting on one, so why should we experiment on the monkeys?
Having been part of animal experiments in the past, this isn't easy subject.
I think sometimes the scientific community does get a little impatient with animal rights organizations because they're like Republicans in that anytime you try to find middle ground, they move the center line.
It's hard to negotiate with ignorant, closed-mined, intractable people.
Absent on the other side is recognition that the alternative is experimenting on humans.
Cell culture experiments will only tell you about toxicity, not other systemic side effects.
If a few monkeys lose their lives in the quest to save humans infected with anthrax, I'm okay with that.
It's sad and shouldn't be done lightly, but there isn't really any alternative.
It would be great if we lived in a world where we didn't have to use animals for food or experimentation, but it's just not the reality.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513576</id>
	<title>They had better reveal the reasons.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261418220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Otherwise, they're going to have a lot of trouble with NIH grants in the future, and their standing amongst medical schools, residency programs, and medical research centers is going to take quite a hit.  Nowadays, research brings in beaucoup money, and NIH grants are often the most respected in the community.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Otherwise , they 're going to have a lot of trouble with NIH grants in the future , and their standing amongst medical schools , residency programs , and medical research centers is going to take quite a hit .
Nowadays , research brings in beaucoup money , and NIH grants are often the most respected in the community .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Otherwise, they're going to have a lot of trouble with NIH grants in the future, and their standing amongst medical schools, residency programs, and medical research centers is going to take quite a hit.
Nowadays, research brings in beaucoup money, and NIH grants are often the most respected in the community.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514284</id>
	<title>Re:Not OSU</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261421400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you go to <a href="http://okstate.edu/" title="okstate.edu">okstate.edu</a> [okstate.edu], Oklahoma State University's home page? They refer to themselves as "OSU" on multiple occasions, most notably the big "About OSU" link at the home. Just because Ohio State snatched the domain first doesn't mean they can't both be called "OSU". (You should try living in Iowa but close to Illinois and guess which "U [of] I" people are talking about.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you go to okstate.edu [ okstate.edu ] , Oklahoma State University 's home page ?
They refer to themselves as " OSU " on multiple occasions , most notably the big " About OSU " link at the home .
Just because Ohio State snatched the domain first does n't mean they ca n't both be called " OSU " .
( You should try living in Iowa but close to Illinois and guess which " U [ of ] I " people are talking about .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you go to okstate.edu [okstate.edu], Oklahoma State University's home page?
They refer to themselves as "OSU" on multiple occasions, most notably the big "About OSU" link at the home.
Just because Ohio State snatched the domain first doesn't mean they can't both be called "OSU".
(You should try living in Iowa but close to Illinois and guess which "U [of] I" people are talking about.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30519658</id>
	<title>By Neruos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261409640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The needs of the few (animal and humans subjects) do not out weigh the needs of the many (humanity in general).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The needs of the few ( animal and humans subjects ) do not out weigh the needs of the many ( humanity in general ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The needs of the few (animal and humans subjects) do not out weigh the needs of the many (humanity in general).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514198</id>
	<title>Re:IT's really not.</title>
	<author>Sprouticus</author>
	<datestamp>1261420920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>Just as it is better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer</i> </p><p>It's really not better to let ten guilty men go free, though.  That's the thing.</p></div><p>Wow, you are either trolling or you really really must be new here...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just as it is better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer It 's really not better to let ten guilty men go free , though .
That 's the thing.Wow , you are either trolling or you really really must be new here.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Just as it is better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer It's really not better to let ten guilty men go free, though.
That's the thing.Wow, you are either trolling or you really really must be new here...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513552</id>
	<title>"peer-reviewed"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261418100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>That phrase is used like "Genuine" (tm) or something.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That phrase is used like " Genuine " ( tm ) or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That phrase is used like "Genuine" (tm) or something.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513756</id>
	<title>Now they'll have to use students instead.</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1261419000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Too bad.  It would be better to use something closer to humans.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Too bad .
It would be better to use something closer to humans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too bad.
It would be better to use something closer to humans.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514076</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>nomadic</author>
	<datestamp>1261420380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>I wish that everyone who thinks we shouldn't do animal testing would volunteer to be have said tests run on themselves. Maybe then they would understand that Human Life is more valuable than Animal Life.</i>
<br>
<br>
That makes zero sense.  Why would someone have testing run on themselves make them understand that?  Wouldn't it make them understand that testing is terribly cruel and shouldn't be run on anyone?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish that everyone who thinks we should n't do animal testing would volunteer to be have said tests run on themselves .
Maybe then they would understand that Human Life is more valuable than Animal Life .
That makes zero sense .
Why would someone have testing run on themselves make them understand that ?
Would n't it make them understand that testing is terribly cruel and should n't be run on anyone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish that everyone who thinks we shouldn't do animal testing would volunteer to be have said tests run on themselves.
Maybe then they would understand that Human Life is more valuable than Animal Life.
That makes zero sense.
Why would someone have testing run on themselves make them understand that?
Wouldn't it make them understand that testing is terribly cruel and shouldn't be run on anyone?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30515104</id>
	<title>Re:They should "offshore" this.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261424880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it's what's for diner!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's what 's for diner !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's what's for diner!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513732</id>
	<title>Re:hope he switches to PETA members</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261418880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The real problem with testing on animals, and then putting them to death, is that monkeys are cute. Cute animals cannot be subjected to research for the sake of society or even to save the lives of anthrax ridden monkeys. Rats work because most people think of rats as filthy and repugnant creatures. We need an ugly animal that's further up the foodchain--more human. Like say tree-sloths, or grad students... either of which people and professors would have no ethical qualms on experimenting on... or euthanizing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The real problem with testing on animals , and then putting them to death , is that monkeys are cute .
Cute animals can not be subjected to research for the sake of society or even to save the lives of anthrax ridden monkeys .
Rats work because most people think of rats as filthy and repugnant creatures .
We need an ugly animal that 's further up the foodchain--more human .
Like say tree-sloths , or grad students... either of which people and professors would have no ethical qualms on experimenting on... or euthanizing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real problem with testing on animals, and then putting them to death, is that monkeys are cute.
Cute animals cannot be subjected to research for the sake of society or even to save the lives of anthrax ridden monkeys.
Rats work because most people think of rats as filthy and repugnant creatures.
We need an ugly animal that's further up the foodchain--more human.
Like say tree-sloths, or grad students... either of which people and professors would have no ethical qualms on experimenting on... or euthanizing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513896</id>
	<title>It's apparently not what you think it is</title>
	<author>El Gigante de Justic</author>
	<datestamp>1261419660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There already is a vaccine for at least some strains of anthrax, first developed by Pasteur in 1881, which is why it's rare in domestic animals in modern times. Soldiers being deployed to areas where bioweapons attacks are possible are also vaccinated against it.  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthrax#First\_vaccination" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthrax#First\_vaccination</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>It sounds like in this particular case they were trying to develop a vaccine that would be especially for use in humans (hence primary research subjects), and they were probably targeting some of the particularly virulent strains that were developed in bioweapons programs from World War II through Vietnam.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There already is a vaccine for at least some strains of anthrax , first developed by Pasteur in 1881 , which is why it 's rare in domestic animals in modern times .
Soldiers being deployed to areas where bioweapons attacks are possible are also vaccinated against it .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthrax # First \ _vaccination [ wikipedia.org ] It sounds like in this particular case they were trying to develop a vaccine that would be especially for use in humans ( hence primary research subjects ) , and they were probably targeting some of the particularly virulent strains that were developed in bioweapons programs from World War II through Vietnam .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There already is a vaccine for at least some strains of anthrax, first developed by Pasteur in 1881, which is why it's rare in domestic animals in modern times.
Soldiers being deployed to areas where bioweapons attacks are possible are also vaccinated against it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthrax#First\_vaccination [wikipedia.org]It sounds like in this particular case they were trying to develop a vaccine that would be especially for use in humans (hence primary research subjects), and they were probably targeting some of the particularly virulent strains that were developed in bioweapons programs from World War II through Vietnam.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513882</id>
	<title>IT's really not.</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1261419600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Just as it is better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer</i></p><p>It's really not better to let ten guilty men go free, though.  That's the thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just as it is better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man sufferIt 's really not better to let ten guilty men go free , though .
That 's the thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just as it is better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man sufferIt's really not better to let ten guilty men go free, though.
That's the thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513804</id>
	<title>Re:hope he switches to PETA members</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261419180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or the animals PETA is euthanizing...  Over 85\% of the animals they take in are <a href="http://www.petakillsanimals.com/petasdirtysecret.cfm" title="petakillsanimals.com" rel="nofollow">killed</a> [petakillsanimals.com] instead of adopted.  So many animals were killed by PETA in fact, that they purchaced a 9,000$ freezer to temporarily store the animals that have been killed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or the animals PETA is euthanizing... Over 85 \ % of the animals they take in are killed [ petakillsanimals.com ] instead of adopted .
So many animals were killed by PETA in fact , that they purchaced a 9,000 $ freezer to temporarily store the animals that have been killed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or the animals PETA is euthanizing...  Over 85\% of the animals they take in are killed [petakillsanimals.com] instead of adopted.
So many animals were killed by PETA in fact, that they purchaced a 9,000$ freezer to temporarily store the animals that have been killed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30515776</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261427940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, let me hear your justification, why you think you are more valuable than someone else (e.g. a chimpanzee, or a raven, or a dolphin) and why you are the center of the universe.</p><p>Next thing I know, is you telling me about the &ldquo;supremacy&rdquo; of the &ldquo;white man&rdquo;.</p><p>I bet many animals are in many areas more intelligent, more valuable and more productive for our society. If only because they know the value of other individuals...</p><p>And yeah: I think animal tests should be replaced by human tests. Pay people. There is always a market price. Just offer enough.<br>If that means it becomes expensive, then so be it. (Actually, it isn&rsquo;t, as the money will always be used to buy stuff, and so gets back to you next time someone buys something from you.)</p><p>Also, &ldquo;guilty&rdquo; is an outdated term. There is no such thing. Everything has a cause. And you can always call the causing person/thing/event the &ldquo;real guilty one&rdquo; instead. Back to the beginning of the universe!<br>Cause and effect.<br>Also punishment does not make society better at all! That&rsquo;s disproven for a looong time.<br>Punishment only &ldquo;helps&rdquo;, as long as you continue to punish. Just as pain killers only &ldquo;help&rdquo; as long as you take them, while continuing to run against the wall.<br>As soon as you stop, it will have the opposite effect, making things even worse. Someone is taking revenge. Someone is beating his kids because of unprocessed problems caused by the punishment. It&rsquo;s a vicious circle.</p><p>A proper solution is, to first really understand the other side. The reasoning, the causes, how that person came to doing it. You always find things like: He thought and still thinks, it was the right thing to do. Or he felt he was forced and there was no other way out. Or he did not want to do it at all, but could not prevent it either. Etc.<br>People don&rsquo;t do things that they think is wrong. Punishing them is never going to change that. Ever.</p><p>Second, if you can&rsquo;t get the mind sets of you and the other one to agree enough, to be able to live in one social group, you separate him from your group. Or he separates his group from you. Same thing, because it&rsquo;s all relative, as there is no absolute truth or right/wrong on this planet. It&rsquo;s all just convention and motivation based on natural selection and reproduction.</p><p>I think the best model ever, is to take a large area, and let them found a self-governed society there. The murderers, the rapists, the criminals. Most likely they need to split into different groups too. But in the end, they have to work together, and regain the essence of what is human, to survive. You don&rsquo;t even have to create any embargo. People will already hate them enough.<br><em>But</em> if they regain respect, by building a working society, then they are welcome to contact us again. (That&rsquo;s called forgiving someone.)<br>I&rsquo;d prefer that to a prison any day. It would be hard. But you would feel <em>alive</em>. (Well, until you lose natural selection against another murderer. ^^)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , let me hear your justification , why you think you are more valuable than someone else ( e.g .
a chimpanzee , or a raven , or a dolphin ) and why you are the center of the universe.Next thing I know , is you telling me about the    supremacy    of the    white man    .I bet many animals are in many areas more intelligent , more valuable and more productive for our society .
If only because they know the value of other individuals...And yeah : I think animal tests should be replaced by human tests .
Pay people .
There is always a market price .
Just offer enough.If that means it becomes expensive , then so be it .
( Actually , it isn    t , as the money will always be used to buy stuff , and so gets back to you next time someone buys something from you .
) Also ,    guilty    is an outdated term .
There is no such thing .
Everything has a cause .
And you can always call the causing person/thing/event the    real guilty one    instead .
Back to the beginning of the universe ! Cause and effect.Also punishment does not make society better at all !
That    s disproven for a looong time.Punishment only    helps    , as long as you continue to punish .
Just as pain killers only    help    as long as you take them , while continuing to run against the wall.As soon as you stop , it will have the opposite effect , making things even worse .
Someone is taking revenge .
Someone is beating his kids because of unprocessed problems caused by the punishment .
It    s a vicious circle.A proper solution is , to first really understand the other side .
The reasoning , the causes , how that person came to doing it .
You always find things like : He thought and still thinks , it was the right thing to do .
Or he felt he was forced and there was no other way out .
Or he did not want to do it at all , but could not prevent it either .
Etc.People don    t do things that they think is wrong .
Punishing them is never going to change that .
Ever.Second , if you can    t get the mind sets of you and the other one to agree enough , to be able to live in one social group , you separate him from your group .
Or he separates his group from you .
Same thing , because it    s all relative , as there is no absolute truth or right/wrong on this planet .
It    s all just convention and motivation based on natural selection and reproduction.I think the best model ever , is to take a large area , and let them found a self-governed society there .
The murderers , the rapists , the criminals .
Most likely they need to split into different groups too .
But in the end , they have to work together , and regain the essence of what is human , to survive .
You don    t even have to create any embargo .
People will already hate them enough.But if they regain respect , by building a working society , then they are welcome to contact us again .
( That    s called forgiving someone .
) I    d prefer that to a prison any day .
It would be hard .
But you would feel alive .
( Well , until you lose natural selection against another murderer .
^ ^ )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, let me hear your justification, why you think you are more valuable than someone else (e.g.
a chimpanzee, or a raven, or a dolphin) and why you are the center of the universe.Next thing I know, is you telling me about the “supremacy” of the “white man”.I bet many animals are in many areas more intelligent, more valuable and more productive for our society.
If only because they know the value of other individuals...And yeah: I think animal tests should be replaced by human tests.
Pay people.
There is always a market price.
Just offer enough.If that means it becomes expensive, then so be it.
(Actually, it isn’t, as the money will always be used to buy stuff, and so gets back to you next time someone buys something from you.
)Also, “guilty” is an outdated term.
There is no such thing.
Everything has a cause.
And you can always call the causing person/thing/event the “real guilty one” instead.
Back to the beginning of the universe!Cause and effect.Also punishment does not make society better at all!
That’s disproven for a looong time.Punishment only “helps”, as long as you continue to punish.
Just as pain killers only “help” as long as you take them, while continuing to run against the wall.As soon as you stop, it will have the opposite effect, making things even worse.
Someone is taking revenge.
Someone is beating his kids because of unprocessed problems caused by the punishment.
It’s a vicious circle.A proper solution is, to first really understand the other side.
The reasoning, the causes, how that person came to doing it.
You always find things like: He thought and still thinks, it was the right thing to do.
Or he felt he was forced and there was no other way out.
Or he did not want to do it at all, but could not prevent it either.
Etc.People don’t do things that they think is wrong.
Punishing them is never going to change that.
Ever.Second, if you can’t get the mind sets of you and the other one to agree enough, to be able to live in one social group, you separate him from your group.
Or he separates his group from you.
Same thing, because it’s all relative, as there is no absolute truth or right/wrong on this planet.
It’s all just convention and motivation based on natural selection and reproduction.I think the best model ever, is to take a large area, and let them found a self-governed society there.
The murderers, the rapists, the criminals.
Most likely they need to split into different groups too.
But in the end, they have to work together, and regain the essence of what is human, to survive.
You don’t even have to create any embargo.
People will already hate them enough.But if they regain respect, by building a working society, then they are welcome to contact us again.
(That’s called forgiving someone.
)I’d prefer that to a prison any day.
It would be hard.
But you would feel alive.
(Well, until you lose natural selection against another murderer.
^^)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514386</id>
	<title>Rename OSU for Pickens?</title>
	<author>igaborf</author>
	<datestamp>1261421760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sure, and they can call the Agricultural College "Boone's Farm."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , and they can call the Agricultural College " Boone 's Farm .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, and they can call the Agricultural College "Boone's Farm.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513886</id>
	<title>Re:hope he switches to PETA members</title>
	<author>kdcttg</author>
	<datestamp>1261419600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Monkeys being "cute" has nothing to do with it. Some would argue that experimentation on rats would be just as wrong, and some would argue that discriminating based on species is wrong, and would point out the fact that a human child is less intellectually developed than certain primates, but the majority would be shocked and disgusted at the thought of experimenting on one, so why should we experiment on the monkeys?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Monkeys being " cute " has nothing to do with it .
Some would argue that experimentation on rats would be just as wrong , and some would argue that discriminating based on species is wrong , and would point out the fact that a human child is less intellectually developed than certain primates , but the majority would be shocked and disgusted at the thought of experimenting on one , so why should we experiment on the monkeys ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Monkeys being "cute" has nothing to do with it.
Some would argue that experimentation on rats would be just as wrong, and some would argue that discriminating based on species is wrong, and would point out the fact that a human child is less intellectually developed than certain primates, but the majority would be shocked and disgusted at the thought of experimenting on one, so why should we experiment on the monkeys?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513784</id>
	<title>Bullshit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261419120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I worked at a Humane Society once.  Animal Testing is not Animal Cruelty.</p><p>I wish that everyone who thinks we shouldn't do animal testing would volunteer to be have said tests run on themselves.  Maybe then they would understand that Human Life is more valuable than Animal Life.</p><p>Just as it is better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer, so it is better that ten animals die in the name of science than one human being die because a vaccine was not properly tested, or, worse still, never brought to market because of a lack of testing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked at a Humane Society once .
Animal Testing is not Animal Cruelty.I wish that everyone who thinks we should n't do animal testing would volunteer to be have said tests run on themselves .
Maybe then they would understand that Human Life is more valuable than Animal Life.Just as it is better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer , so it is better that ten animals die in the name of science than one human being die because a vaccine was not properly tested , or , worse still , never brought to market because of a lack of testing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked at a Humane Society once.
Animal Testing is not Animal Cruelty.I wish that everyone who thinks we shouldn't do animal testing would volunteer to be have said tests run on themselves.
Maybe then they would understand that Human Life is more valuable than Animal Life.Just as it is better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer, so it is better that ten animals die in the name of science than one human being die because a vaccine was not properly tested, or, worse still, never brought to market because of a lack of testing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514548</id>
	<title>Re:hope he switches to PETA members</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1261422480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lawyers?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lawyers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lawyers?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30515982</id>
	<title>Re:Vaccine funding useless</title>
	<author>robinstar1574</author>
	<datestamp>1261429140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Excuse me? I am sorry for being a little misinformed, but calling me the dumbest poster ever? I believe that is beyond what is over the top. Sheesh</htmltext>
<tokenext>Excuse me ?
I am sorry for being a little misinformed , but calling me the dumbest poster ever ?
I believe that is beyond what is over the top .
Sheesh</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Excuse me?
I am sorry for being a little misinformed, but calling me the dumbest poster ever?
I believe that is beyond what is over the top.
Sheesh</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514544</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514676</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1261423020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Vaccines are a bunch of horseshit much of the time because they are backed not by a desire to cure, but by profit motive.</p><p>Which ultimately means that if a company CAN get away with cutting corners, it will.  And quality being anything but the highest priority with something as vital as a vaccine...well call me skeptical but I don't trust them.</p><p>Look at Nutrasweet's aspartame scandal if you need an example of how unrestrained greed can gum up the works.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Vaccines are a bunch of horseshit much of the time because they are backed not by a desire to cure , but by profit motive.Which ultimately means that if a company CAN get away with cutting corners , it will .
And quality being anything but the highest priority with something as vital as a vaccine...well call me skeptical but I do n't trust them.Look at Nutrasweet 's aspartame scandal if you need an example of how unrestrained greed can gum up the works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vaccines are a bunch of horseshit much of the time because they are backed not by a desire to cure, but by profit motive.Which ultimately means that if a company CAN get away with cutting corners, it will.
And quality being anything but the highest priority with something as vital as a vaccine...well call me skeptical but I don't trust them.Look at Nutrasweet's aspartame scandal if you need an example of how unrestrained greed can gum up the works.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513764</id>
	<title>Simple solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261419060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NIH should put OSU on a blacklist and not fund anything involving them until OSU provides a valid (as judged by NIH) explanation for why they wasted the time (and money) of NIH.</p><p>OSU is of course free to not do so and rely on non-NIH funding. Or there might be a perfectly valid reason that they don't want to disclose publicly that they can provide to NIH.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NIH should put OSU on a blacklist and not fund anything involving them until OSU provides a valid ( as judged by NIH ) explanation for why they wasted the time ( and money ) of NIH.OSU is of course free to not do so and rely on non-NIH funding .
Or there might be a perfectly valid reason that they do n't want to disclose publicly that they can provide to NIH .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NIH should put OSU on a blacklist and not fund anything involving them until OSU provides a valid (as judged by NIH) explanation for why they wasted the time (and money) of NIH.OSU is of course free to not do so and rely on non-NIH funding.
Or there might be a perfectly valid reason that they don't want to disclose publicly that they can provide to NIH.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514652</id>
	<title>Re:"peer-reviewed"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261422960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>oujoidfj thsi the ofhtt ejhfotn ltoghwelriuyejj krrh7gthp thiisolelt thuis ei  thheuih she ihetnh thhe siotn eht this isn;t the the lasith of thennt look otutthws cant tbeht ehrjt thlsoh look oier the this the the ithhhh thgyt got the last of them tot the gaht sth gettting aournt he the thhdyt ght ejjjjj</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>oujoidfj thsi the ofhtt ejhfotn ltoghwelriuyejj krrh7gthp thiisolelt thuis ei thheuih she ihetnh thhe siotn eht this isn ; t the the lasith of thennt look otutthws cant tbeht ehrjt thlsoh look oier the this the the ithhhh thgyt got the last of them tot the gaht sth gettting aournt he the thhdyt ght ejjjjj</tokentext>
<sentencetext>oujoidfj thsi the ofhtt ejhfotn ltoghwelriuyejj krrh7gthp thiisolelt thuis ei  thheuih she ihetnh thhe siotn eht this isn;t the the lasith of thennt look otutthws cant tbeht ehrjt thlsoh look oier the this the the ithhhh thgyt got the last of them tot the gaht sth gettting aournt he the thhdyt ght ejjjjj</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514698</id>
	<title>Re:Not OSU</title>
	<author>forand</author>
	<datestamp>1261423200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Then my point is made, referring to it as OSU is ambiguous at best.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Then my point is made , referring to it as OSU is ambiguous at best .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then my point is made, referring to it as OSU is ambiguous at best.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30516768</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>Toonol</author>
	<datestamp>1261389840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Finally, your oft-stated argument that "better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer" is specious. The ten guilty men will almost certainly victimize other innocents, which is why we incarcerate them in the first place. An argument of "better that a guilty man go free than an innocent man suffer" would carry more water.</i> <br> <br>

Ten free guilty men probably will cause more damage, and yet it's STILL TRUE that it would be better than jailing an innocent man.  That's because it's not a purely pragmatic matter; it shows the special status that we accord  the life of a man.  It's like going to war over one hostage; you can use a simplistically pragmatic argument that it doesn't make sense, but with deeper thought, it does, and may be worth it.  It may be demanded.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally , your oft-stated argument that " better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer " is specious .
The ten guilty men will almost certainly victimize other innocents , which is why we incarcerate them in the first place .
An argument of " better that a guilty man go free than an innocent man suffer " would carry more water .
Ten free guilty men probably will cause more damage , and yet it 's STILL TRUE that it would be better than jailing an innocent man .
That 's because it 's not a purely pragmatic matter ; it shows the special status that we accord the life of a man .
It 's like going to war over one hostage ; you can use a simplistically pragmatic argument that it does n't make sense , but with deeper thought , it does , and may be worth it .
It may be demanded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally, your oft-stated argument that "better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer" is specious.
The ten guilty men will almost certainly victimize other innocents, which is why we incarcerate them in the first place.
An argument of "better that a guilty man go free than an innocent man suffer" would carry more water.
Ten free guilty men probably will cause more damage, and yet it's STILL TRUE that it would be better than jailing an innocent man.
That's because it's not a purely pragmatic matter; it shows the special status that we accord  the life of a man.
It's like going to war over one hostage; you can use a simplistically pragmatic argument that it doesn't make sense, but with deeper thought, it does, and may be worth it.
It may be demanded.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30514282</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261421400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I detest animal testing.  If you want to see what something does in humans, use a human.  At least they can consent to the testing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I detest animal testing .
If you want to see what something does in humans , use a human .
At least they can consent to the testing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I detest animal testing.
If you want to see what something does in humans, use a human.
At least they can consent to the testing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30513740</id>
	<title>Re:Vaccine funding useless</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1261418940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anthrax is a becteria that lives in soil. It's usually not life-threatening unless inhaled. In fact, you may have had it -- it's usualy from falling down and skinning an elbow in the dirt, and will leave a black mark that heals slowly, but will heal. The anthrax that's dangerous is "weaponized" anthrax that's engineered to hang in the air, and if inhaled is indeed deadly.</p><p>A Vaccine would make infected sores less painful, and could possibly make weaponized anthrax less deadly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anthrax is a becteria that lives in soil .
It 's usually not life-threatening unless inhaled .
In fact , you may have had it -- it 's usualy from falling down and skinning an elbow in the dirt , and will leave a black mark that heals slowly , but will heal .
The anthrax that 's dangerous is " weaponized " anthrax that 's engineered to hang in the air , and if inhaled is indeed deadly.A Vaccine would make infected sores less painful , and could possibly make weaponized anthrax less deadly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anthrax is a becteria that lives in soil.
It's usually not life-threatening unless inhaled.
In fact, you may have had it -- it's usualy from falling down and skinning an elbow in the dirt, and will leave a black mark that heals slowly, but will heal.
The anthrax that's dangerous is "weaponized" anthrax that's engineered to hang in the air, and if inhaled is indeed deadly.A Vaccine would make infected sores less painful, and could possibly make weaponized anthrax less deadly.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1546216.30520004</id>
	<title>They don't need primates ...</title>
	<author>PhxBlue</author>
	<datestamp>1261412520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They have the military. Just ask anyone who was in the military in the '90s.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They have the military .
Just ask anyone who was in the military in the '90s .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have the military.
Just ask anyone who was in the military in the '90s.</sentencetext>
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