<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_19_2245240</id>
	<title>A Requiem For Saab</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1261228200000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hughpickens.com/" rel="nofollow">Hugh Pickens</a> writes <i>"The NY Times reports that auto enthusiasts across the country are dismayed by the news that <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/19/business/19brand.html">General Motors is planning to shut down Saab</a>, the Swedish carmaker it bought two decades ago, after a deal to sell it fell apart. Even with its modest and steadily declining sales, Saab, an acronym for Svenska Aeroplan Aktiebolaget, or Swedish Airplane Company, long stood out as a powerful brand in spite of itself. 'It wasn't designed to be a fashion statement,' says Ron Pinelli, president of Autodata, which tracks industry statistics. 'It was designed to provide transportation under miserable weather conditions.' Many Saab owners consider the brand's glory days to be the 1980s, when Americans began buying cars again after a recession and energy crisis. 'The cars were communicative,' says Pinelli. 'They didn't try to numb the experience like cars do today.' The cars had odd touches and <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/11/15/automobiles/collectibles/20091115-saab\_index.html">appealed to those who appreciate the unconventional</a>. Swedish engineers assumed drivers would be wearing gloves, so they designed big buttons for the dashboard. Though the cars were compact, with long hoods and short rear ends, there was plenty of headroom inside. Now Saab, a brand that once had one of the clearest identities in the industry, seems headed for extinction just as automakers are searching for more distinctive designs to help set them apart. 'It's a shame that Saab is a victim,' adds Pinelli."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hugh Pickens writes " The NY Times reports that auto enthusiasts across the country are dismayed by the news that General Motors is planning to shut down Saab , the Swedish carmaker it bought two decades ago , after a deal to sell it fell apart .
Even with its modest and steadily declining sales , Saab , an acronym for Svenska Aeroplan Aktiebolaget , or Swedish Airplane Company , long stood out as a powerful brand in spite of itself .
'It was n't designed to be a fashion statement, ' says Ron Pinelli , president of Autodata , which tracks industry statistics .
'It was designed to provide transportation under miserable weather conditions .
' Many Saab owners consider the brand 's glory days to be the 1980s , when Americans began buying cars again after a recession and energy crisis .
'The cars were communicative, ' says Pinelli .
'They did n't try to numb the experience like cars do today .
' The cars had odd touches and appealed to those who appreciate the unconventional .
Swedish engineers assumed drivers would be wearing gloves , so they designed big buttons for the dashboard .
Though the cars were compact , with long hoods and short rear ends , there was plenty of headroom inside .
Now Saab , a brand that once had one of the clearest identities in the industry , seems headed for extinction just as automakers are searching for more distinctive designs to help set them apart .
'It 's a shame that Saab is a victim, ' adds Pinelli .
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<sentencetext>Hugh Pickens writes "The NY Times reports that auto enthusiasts across the country are dismayed by the news that General Motors is planning to shut down Saab, the Swedish carmaker it bought two decades ago, after a deal to sell it fell apart.
Even with its modest and steadily declining sales, Saab, an acronym for Svenska Aeroplan Aktiebolaget, or Swedish Airplane Company, long stood out as a powerful brand in spite of itself.
'It wasn't designed to be a fashion statement,' says Ron Pinelli, president of Autodata, which tracks industry statistics.
'It was designed to provide transportation under miserable weather conditions.
' Many Saab owners consider the brand's glory days to be the 1980s, when Americans began buying cars again after a recession and energy crisis.
'The cars were communicative,' says Pinelli.
'They didn't try to numb the experience like cars do today.
' The cars had odd touches and appealed to those who appreciate the unconventional.
Swedish engineers assumed drivers would be wearing gloves, so they designed big buttons for the dashboard.
Though the cars were compact, with long hoods and short rear ends, there was plenty of headroom inside.
Now Saab, a brand that once had one of the clearest identities in the industry, seems headed for extinction just as automakers are searching for more distinctive designs to help set them apart.
'It's a shame that Saab is a victim,' adds Pinelli.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505084</id>
	<title>Re:Near-Death Experience of Saab</title>
	<author>vakuona</author>
	<datestamp>1261334400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know exactly what you mean. Nothing as evil in the automotive world as badge engineering in my opinion. But happens all the time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know exactly what you mean .
Nothing as evil in the automotive world as badge engineering in my opinion .
But happens all the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know exactly what you mean.
Nothing as evil in the automotive world as badge engineering in my opinion.
But happens all the time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30510226</id>
	<title>Re:New bid..</title>
	<author>vegiVamp</author>
	<datestamp>1261392180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; I think the engineers there have alot to offer in the future for environmental cars.<br><br>I would very much agree, if I was convinced that there were still any of the original engineers left. I'm not a car guy, but if GM behaved even half like what I read in various threads here, I'd have been finding a better employer.<br><br>Still, maybe the right kind of buyer can lure some of them back in. I have no clue about how good Saab was apart from their generic imago, but I strongly subscribe to the idea of diversity in any environment.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I think the engineers there have alot to offer in the future for environmental cars.I would very much agree , if I was convinced that there were still any of the original engineers left .
I 'm not a car guy , but if GM behaved even half like what I read in various threads here , I 'd have been finding a better employer.Still , maybe the right kind of buyer can lure some of them back in .
I have no clue about how good Saab was apart from their generic imago , but I strongly subscribe to the idea of diversity in any environment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; I think the engineers there have alot to offer in the future for environmental cars.I would very much agree, if I was convinced that there were still any of the original engineers left.
I'm not a car guy, but if GM behaved even half like what I read in various threads here, I'd have been finding a better employer.Still, maybe the right kind of buyer can lure some of them back in.
I have no clue about how good Saab was apart from their generic imago, but I strongly subscribe to the idea of diversity in any environment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504474</id>
	<title>Re:Speaking for myself as a Swedish brick driver,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261329720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't Geely taking over Volvo?</p><p>That'll make 'em better!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't Geely taking over Volvo ? That 'll make 'em better !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't Geely taking over Volvo?That'll make 'em better!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503502</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504202</id>
	<title>Re:Horrifyingly poor management</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1261327860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"We New Englanders still need a nice winter car,"</p><p>Subaru.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" We New Englanders still need a nice winter car , " Subaru .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"We New Englanders still need a nice winter car,"Subaru.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503672</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30506688</id>
	<title>Re:Before SAAB was bought up</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1261304460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't really think this is something one can blame on US stupidity.  Mercedes yes, SAAB no.  At least in the US, SAAB, like the BMW, were bought by those with money to burn, often as a second of third car.  I know of one couple that currently own both a BMW and a SAAB and a roadster.  From what I can tell, people buy these cars so they can say they own one, not because they are great cars.  Because customers don't care about the quality, neither does the manufacturer.  At least at the low end of the SAAB and BMW, the issue is producing a car that an upper middle class person might be able to afford as a status symbol.
<p>
That said, the high end Mercedes and BMW are still good cars.  For people who do not car about the name plate, the japanese has taken luxury away from the Europeans, for the same reason that the US lost the market.  Lack of innovative thinking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't really think this is something one can blame on US stupidity .
Mercedes yes , SAAB no .
At least in the US , SAAB , like the BMW , were bought by those with money to burn , often as a second of third car .
I know of one couple that currently own both a BMW and a SAAB and a roadster .
From what I can tell , people buy these cars so they can say they own one , not because they are great cars .
Because customers do n't care about the quality , neither does the manufacturer .
At least at the low end of the SAAB and BMW , the issue is producing a car that an upper middle class person might be able to afford as a status symbol .
That said , the high end Mercedes and BMW are still good cars .
For people who do not car about the name plate , the japanese has taken luxury away from the Europeans , for the same reason that the US lost the market .
Lack of innovative thinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't really think this is something one can blame on US stupidity.
Mercedes yes, SAAB no.
At least in the US, SAAB, like the BMW, were bought by those with money to burn, often as a second of third car.
I know of one couple that currently own both a BMW and a SAAB and a roadster.
From what I can tell, people buy these cars so they can say they own one, not because they are great cars.
Because customers don't care about the quality, neither does the manufacturer.
At least at the low end of the SAAB and BMW, the issue is producing a car that an upper middle class person might be able to afford as a status symbol.
That said, the high end Mercedes and BMW are still good cars.
For people who do not car about the name plate, the japanese has taken luxury away from the Europeans, for the same reason that the US lost the market.
Lack of innovative thinking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504802</id>
	<title>Re:numb driving experience</title>
	<author>stokessd</author>
	<datestamp>1261332120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone who has spent 25 years driving in the US and several thousand miles driving in England and Scotland, what has been said above has a lot of truth to it.  Our roads are hugely wide, each line is like two lanes in northern rural england or rural scotland.  We push the land around to smooth and flatten our roadways rather than let the road follow the land.  We have dismal public transportation (mostly) so the only people who take it are the people who for one reason or another cannot drive.  That means that taking public transport isn't very nice, and doesn't really serve the societies needs very well.  So it's cars or don't go.</p><p>twenty or thirty years ago we decided to turn all of our cars into golf carts by removing manual transmissions.  The flat wide basically endlessly straight roads have driven us to have soft vague suspensions and steering.</p><p>God help the american driver if they had to deal with a round-a-bout or a road with passing places.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who has spent 25 years driving in the US and several thousand miles driving in England and Scotland , what has been said above has a lot of truth to it .
Our roads are hugely wide , each line is like two lanes in northern rural england or rural scotland .
We push the land around to smooth and flatten our roadways rather than let the road follow the land .
We have dismal public transportation ( mostly ) so the only people who take it are the people who for one reason or another can not drive .
That means that taking public transport is n't very nice , and does n't really serve the societies needs very well .
So it 's cars or do n't go.twenty or thirty years ago we decided to turn all of our cars into golf carts by removing manual transmissions .
The flat wide basically endlessly straight roads have driven us to have soft vague suspensions and steering.God help the american driver if they had to deal with a round-a-bout or a road with passing places .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who has spent 25 years driving in the US and several thousand miles driving in England and Scotland, what has been said above has a lot of truth to it.
Our roads are hugely wide, each line is like two lanes in northern rural england or rural scotland.
We push the land around to smooth and flatten our roadways rather than let the road follow the land.
We have dismal public transportation (mostly) so the only people who take it are the people who for one reason or another cannot drive.
That means that taking public transport isn't very nice, and doesn't really serve the societies needs very well.
So it's cars or don't go.twenty or thirty years ago we decided to turn all of our cars into golf carts by removing manual transmissions.
The flat wide basically endlessly straight roads have driven us to have soft vague suspensions and steering.God help the american driver if they had to deal with a round-a-bout or a road with passing places.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30506890</id>
	<title>Your surprised !!!</title>
	<author>asamad</author>
	<datestamp>1261306440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is what happens with a business becomes a business unit under an american company or that fact any multinational</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is what happens with a business becomes a business unit under an american company or that fact any multinational</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is what happens with a business becomes a business unit under an american company or that fact any multinational</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503862</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>grolaw</author>
	<datestamp>1261324020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, come on....</p><p>The reverse-mounted engine made replacing a clutch in my '82 900 T something a neophyte could do.  Yes, the Haynes manual suggested using a belt to hold the clutch pressure plate compressed, but that doesn't work - yes, you do need the two special tools SAAB made to compress the pressure plate fingers and then a spring-steel c-shaped ring expands to hold the fingers compressed...  But, having borrowed the tools from the dealership for an hour - at no cost - I was able to complete the job with just a small set of metric sockets.</p><p>The brakes did need a "special tool" because the brake activator had a hydraulic cylinder with back-facing notches - it ratcheted forward as the pad wore down and had to be screwed back up to the new pad position.  The face of the cylinder had two depressions in it and a flat wrench with two prongs was called for to screw in the cylinder.  I made one with a flat, metal ruler and two pop-rivets.  It took only a few minutes to create and worked until a jerk in a 3/4 tom pickup ran a redlight and hit me in the left-front quarter-panel - spinning my SAAB more than 360 degrees...  the truck's bed came up  and over and the truck that hit me wound up landing on its cab roof and skidding 45 yards upside down down a city street.</p><p>My 6  year-old son and I, both belted in, were completely unharmed.</p><p>I have one of the last SAAB 900 Turbos manufactured out of Trollhatten - with mostly SAAB  parts - albeit that GM changed the window / cab profile.  It is at 160k and doing very, very well today - averaging 32 mi/gal and just passed the CA emissions test (not too bad for a 14 year-old car that never seems to age).  Compared to my twin-turbo Volvo S-80 '01 vintage (also with 160k) I've put far more money into repairing the Volvo than I ever did that SAAB.</p><p>Understeer can happen in any vehicle with even weight distribution (mid-engine) or front-heavy design.  The famous Porsche 911 has massive understeer - big deal.</p><p>All that you do to deal with understeer is to accelerate and brake as you enter a curve forcing the front tires (drive &amp; steering on the 900) down to greater road contact, then accelerate out of the turn.  Easy and solid turning control with the tight and well crafted SAAB steering &amp; brakes.  Yes, you do need good tires - Pirelli, Yokohama &amp; Michelin have been my go-to brands - with the Michelins winning the wear/performance battle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , come on....The reverse-mounted engine made replacing a clutch in my '82 900 T something a neophyte could do .
Yes , the Haynes manual suggested using a belt to hold the clutch pressure plate compressed , but that does n't work - yes , you do need the two special tools SAAB made to compress the pressure plate fingers and then a spring-steel c-shaped ring expands to hold the fingers compressed... But , having borrowed the tools from the dealership for an hour - at no cost - I was able to complete the job with just a small set of metric sockets.The brakes did need a " special tool " because the brake activator had a hydraulic cylinder with back-facing notches - it ratcheted forward as the pad wore down and had to be screwed back up to the new pad position .
The face of the cylinder had two depressions in it and a flat wrench with two prongs was called for to screw in the cylinder .
I made one with a flat , metal ruler and two pop-rivets .
It took only a few minutes to create and worked until a jerk in a 3/4 tom pickup ran a redlight and hit me in the left-front quarter-panel - spinning my SAAB more than 360 degrees... the truck 's bed came up and over and the truck that hit me wound up landing on its cab roof and skidding 45 yards upside down down a city street.My 6 year-old son and I , both belted in , were completely unharmed.I have one of the last SAAB 900 Turbos manufactured out of Trollhatten - with mostly SAAB parts - albeit that GM changed the window / cab profile .
It is at 160k and doing very , very well today - averaging 32 mi/gal and just passed the CA emissions test ( not too bad for a 14 year-old car that never seems to age ) .
Compared to my twin-turbo Volvo S-80 '01 vintage ( also with 160k ) I 've put far more money into repairing the Volvo than I ever did that SAAB.Understeer can happen in any vehicle with even weight distribution ( mid-engine ) or front-heavy design .
The famous Porsche 911 has massive understeer - big deal.All that you do to deal with understeer is to accelerate and brake as you enter a curve forcing the front tires ( drive &amp; steering on the 900 ) down to greater road contact , then accelerate out of the turn .
Easy and solid turning control with the tight and well crafted SAAB steering &amp; brakes .
Yes , you do need good tires - Pirelli , Yokohama &amp; Michelin have been my go-to brands - with the Michelins winning the wear/performance battle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, come on....The reverse-mounted engine made replacing a clutch in my '82 900 T something a neophyte could do.
Yes, the Haynes manual suggested using a belt to hold the clutch pressure plate compressed, but that doesn't work - yes, you do need the two special tools SAAB made to compress the pressure plate fingers and then a spring-steel c-shaped ring expands to hold the fingers compressed...  But, having borrowed the tools from the dealership for an hour - at no cost - I was able to complete the job with just a small set of metric sockets.The brakes did need a "special tool" because the brake activator had a hydraulic cylinder with back-facing notches - it ratcheted forward as the pad wore down and had to be screwed back up to the new pad position.
The face of the cylinder had two depressions in it and a flat wrench with two prongs was called for to screw in the cylinder.
I made one with a flat, metal ruler and two pop-rivets.
It took only a few minutes to create and worked until a jerk in a 3/4 tom pickup ran a redlight and hit me in the left-front quarter-panel - spinning my SAAB more than 360 degrees...  the truck's bed came up  and over and the truck that hit me wound up landing on its cab roof and skidding 45 yards upside down down a city street.My 6  year-old son and I, both belted in, were completely unharmed.I have one of the last SAAB 900 Turbos manufactured out of Trollhatten - with mostly SAAB  parts - albeit that GM changed the window / cab profile.
It is at 160k and doing very, very well today - averaging 32 mi/gal and just passed the CA emissions test (not too bad for a 14 year-old car that never seems to age).
Compared to my twin-turbo Volvo S-80 '01 vintage (also with 160k) I've put far more money into repairing the Volvo than I ever did that SAAB.Understeer can happen in any vehicle with even weight distribution (mid-engine) or front-heavy design.
The famous Porsche 911 has massive understeer - big deal.All that you do to deal with understeer is to accelerate and brake as you enter a curve forcing the front tires (drive &amp; steering on the 900) down to greater road contact, then accelerate out of the turn.
Easy and solid turning control with the tight and well crafted SAAB steering &amp; brakes.
Yes, you do need good tires - Pirelli, Yokohama &amp; Michelin have been my go-to brands - with the Michelins winning the wear/performance battle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504826</id>
	<title>Re:Over here companies can fail</title>
	<author>db32</author>
	<datestamp>1261332360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Government is a scam to tax us...  Sure...they sorta provide useful services, but anymore the percentage of their doings, taxings, and spendings as it relates to those things like police, fire departments, roads, is such a tiny fraction of the shit they are actually up to it is pathetic.</p><p>Also...it is the defense contractors that you have to worry about screaming "but, the jobs!".  Government bailing out defense contractors to save jobs is what Eisenhower warned about and the neocon's have taken it as the guidebook for economic planning.  Forever Wars are pretty profitable when you are the guy building the weapons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Government is a scam to tax us... Sure...they sorta provide useful services , but anymore the percentage of their doings , taxings , and spendings as it relates to those things like police , fire departments , roads , is such a tiny fraction of the shit they are actually up to it is pathetic.Also...it is the defense contractors that you have to worry about screaming " but , the jobs ! " .
Government bailing out defense contractors to save jobs is what Eisenhower warned about and the neocon 's have taken it as the guidebook for economic planning .
Forever Wars are pretty profitable when you are the guy building the weapons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Government is a scam to tax us...  Sure...they sorta provide useful services, but anymore the percentage of their doings, taxings, and spendings as it relates to those things like police, fire departments, roads, is such a tiny fraction of the shit they are actually up to it is pathetic.Also...it is the defense contractors that you have to worry about screaming "but, the jobs!".
Government bailing out defense contractors to save jobs is what Eisenhower warned about and the neocon's have taken it as the guidebook for economic planning.
Forever Wars are pretty profitable when you are the guy building the weapons.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504326</id>
	<title>Re:Near-Death Experience of Saab</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261328760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That wasn't the first time that happened.   A lot of folks would be shocked if they knew how much that happened as it is.</p><p>The death knell for Saab was when people believed it was somehow different than any other car company.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That was n't the first time that happened .
A lot of folks would be shocked if they knew how much that happened as it is.The death knell for Saab was when people believed it was somehow different than any other car company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That wasn't the first time that happened.
A lot of folks would be shocked if they knew how much that happened as it is.The death knell for Saab was when people believed it was somehow different than any other car company.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504780</id>
	<title>Re:They can't die fast enough...</title>
	<author>Vegeta99</author>
	<datestamp>1261332000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Big buttons for people wearing gloves? That's the best contribution the author can come up with in his requiem?</i></p><p>How about the ignition being in the center console so there's one less thing to split your kneecap in a crash? How about the collapsing steering column, once again helping to avoid turning the steering wheel into a death machine? How 'bout the fact that my '88 had a fully-modern EFI system with intake manifold injectors, 2 HO2S, and a MAF sensor, not that crap throttle-body, barometric pressure based crap everyone else had? How about having 9007 lights with reflector housings instead of those sealed-beam light scatterers?</p><p>I live in Central PA, and that car was unstoppable in the snow. The only thing I've driven that was close is my Jetta, and that has 4-wheel ABS and traction control. The SAAB certainly did <i>not</i>. And I'm no slipmatic driver either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Big buttons for people wearing gloves ?
That 's the best contribution the author can come up with in his requiem ? How about the ignition being in the center console so there 's one less thing to split your kneecap in a crash ?
How about the collapsing steering column , once again helping to avoid turning the steering wheel into a death machine ?
How 'bout the fact that my '88 had a fully-modern EFI system with intake manifold injectors , 2 HO2S , and a MAF sensor , not that crap throttle-body , barometric pressure based crap everyone else had ?
How about having 9007 lights with reflector housings instead of those sealed-beam light scatterers ? I live in Central PA , and that car was unstoppable in the snow .
The only thing I 've driven that was close is my Jetta , and that has 4-wheel ABS and traction control .
The SAAB certainly did not .
And I 'm no slipmatic driver either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Big buttons for people wearing gloves?
That's the best contribution the author can come up with in his requiem?How about the ignition being in the center console so there's one less thing to split your kneecap in a crash?
How about the collapsing steering column, once again helping to avoid turning the steering wheel into a death machine?
How 'bout the fact that my '88 had a fully-modern EFI system with intake manifold injectors, 2 HO2S, and a MAF sensor, not that crap throttle-body, barometric pressure based crap everyone else had?
How about having 9007 lights with reflector housings instead of those sealed-beam light scatterers?I live in Central PA, and that car was unstoppable in the snow.
The only thing I've driven that was close is my Jetta, and that has 4-wheel ABS and traction control.
The SAAB certainly did not.
And I'm no slipmatic driver either.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503804</id>
	<title>Re:And why do I care?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1261323480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, because those piece of shit cars, that can&rsquo;t get further than five miles without needing half a year of reload time, and weigh a megaton because of the batteries, are useful in heavy snow and with nearly no sunlight.... you know... what Saab cars were made for, according to TFA!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , because those piece of shit cars , that can    t get further than five miles without needing half a year of reload time , and weigh a megaton because of the batteries , are useful in heavy snow and with nearly no sunlight.... you know... what Saab cars were made for , according to TFA !
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, because those piece of shit cars, that can’t get further than five miles without needing half a year of reload time, and weigh a megaton because of the batteries, are useful in heavy snow and with nearly no sunlight.... you know... what Saab cars were made for, according to TFA!
;)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505432</id>
	<title>Re:numb driving experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261337040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>But what is it with Americans preferring numb cars that totally insulate them from what the car is doing? They all seem to like very mushy suspensions where the car tips around corners, and automatic transmissions.</p></div></blockquote><p>The simple answer is, Americans <em>drive</em>. A lot more, than anyone else in the world. Whereas most Europeans can comfortably live without a car at all &mdash; relying on government-run public transportation (and when those are on strike &mdash; stay home) &mdash; most Americans need a car to get anywhere. So, in Europe a much higher share of drivers are enthusiasts &mdash; people, who <em>like</em> to drive. In the US everybody is a driver, even if they'd rather not be &mdash; and so there is a much bigger bias towards comfort over excitement.

</p><p>Even for enthusiasts, if you spend 90 minutes in your car every day (45 minutes each way to work and home), for example, you'll value certain features, that you wouldn't care for, if you drove for 90 minutes a week.</p></div>
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<tokenext>But what is it with Americans preferring numb cars that totally insulate them from what the car is doing ?
They all seem to like very mushy suspensions where the car tips around corners , and automatic transmissions.The simple answer is , Americans drive .
A lot more , than anyone else in the world .
Whereas most Europeans can comfortably live without a car at all    relying on government-run public transportation ( and when those are on strike    stay home )    most Americans need a car to get anywhere .
So , in Europe a much higher share of drivers are enthusiasts    people , who like to drive .
In the US everybody is a driver , even if they 'd rather not be    and so there is a much bigger bias towards comfort over excitement .
Even for enthusiasts , if you spend 90 minutes in your car every day ( 45 minutes each way to work and home ) , for example , you 'll value certain features , that you would n't care for , if you drove for 90 minutes a week .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But what is it with Americans preferring numb cars that totally insulate them from what the car is doing?
They all seem to like very mushy suspensions where the car tips around corners, and automatic transmissions.The simple answer is, Americans drive.
A lot more, than anyone else in the world.
Whereas most Europeans can comfortably live without a car at all — relying on government-run public transportation (and when those are on strike — stay home) — most Americans need a car to get anywhere.
So, in Europe a much higher share of drivers are enthusiasts — people, who like to drive.
In the US everybody is a driver, even if they'd rather not be — and so there is a much bigger bias towards comfort over excitement.
Even for enthusiasts, if you spend 90 minutes in your car every day (45 minutes each way to work and home), for example, you'll value certain features, that you wouldn't care for, if you drove for 90 minutes a week.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30508098</id>
	<title>GM drove the company into the ground</title>
	<author>guacamole</author>
	<datestamp>1261319280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is no doubt that SAAB of the 90s could not exist on its own. It was too small to be able to compete effectively with companies like BMW, Volvo, or the Japanese. However, back then it was not completely hopeless. The one who really drove this brand into the ground was GM. They simply starved the company of R&amp;D funding, or engines, or genuine platforms, and engaged instead of stupid, blatant brand engineering, thus alienating  hardcore Saab fans without attracting any new customers.</p><p>Consider this, in the whole 10 years or so under GM management, the only truly new Saab was the current 9-3. The old 9-3 was a continuation of a 1990s Saab 900. But the most outrageous problem with Saab's product lineup is that GM refused to update Saab's flagship product the Saab 9-5 for about 10 years. Instead, they did a slight resking in mid-2000s hoping that this would be enough. But that was not enough. Saab 9-5 was not competitive even in year 2000. Instead of bring real new product, GM management decided to rebadge the the Subaru Impreza and sell it as a Saab 9-2. Then also reskinned a Chevy Trail Blazer and tried to sell it as Saab 9-7 instead of trying to fund the development of Saab's own CUV concept car which existed as a paper drawing since early years of this decade. Frankly, if you look at Saab's decline under GM, it's not different from what we were seeing happening to Ford, Mercury, Chevy, and Pontiac. That is the "American" was of doing car business. Buying multiple brands, rebadging 15 year old designs and trying to sell them under 5 different brand names, etc. This is why GM ended up going bankrupt this year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no doubt that SAAB of the 90s could not exist on its own .
It was too small to be able to compete effectively with companies like BMW , Volvo , or the Japanese .
However , back then it was not completely hopeless .
The one who really drove this brand into the ground was GM .
They simply starved the company of R&amp;D funding , or engines , or genuine platforms , and engaged instead of stupid , blatant brand engineering , thus alienating hardcore Saab fans without attracting any new customers.Consider this , in the whole 10 years or so under GM management , the only truly new Saab was the current 9-3 .
The old 9-3 was a continuation of a 1990s Saab 900 .
But the most outrageous problem with Saab 's product lineup is that GM refused to update Saab 's flagship product the Saab 9-5 for about 10 years .
Instead , they did a slight resking in mid-2000s hoping that this would be enough .
But that was not enough .
Saab 9-5 was not competitive even in year 2000 .
Instead of bring real new product , GM management decided to rebadge the the Subaru Impreza and sell it as a Saab 9-2 .
Then also reskinned a Chevy Trail Blazer and tried to sell it as Saab 9-7 instead of trying to fund the development of Saab 's own CUV concept car which existed as a paper drawing since early years of this decade .
Frankly , if you look at Saab 's decline under GM , it 's not different from what we were seeing happening to Ford , Mercury , Chevy , and Pontiac .
That is the " American " was of doing car business .
Buying multiple brands , rebadging 15 year old designs and trying to sell them under 5 different brand names , etc .
This is why GM ended up going bankrupt this year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no doubt that SAAB of the 90s could not exist on its own.
It was too small to be able to compete effectively with companies like BMW, Volvo, or the Japanese.
However, back then it was not completely hopeless.
The one who really drove this brand into the ground was GM.
They simply starved the company of R&amp;D funding, or engines, or genuine platforms, and engaged instead of stupid, blatant brand engineering, thus alienating  hardcore Saab fans without attracting any new customers.Consider this, in the whole 10 years or so under GM management, the only truly new Saab was the current 9-3.
The old 9-3 was a continuation of a 1990s Saab 900.
But the most outrageous problem with Saab's product lineup is that GM refused to update Saab's flagship product the Saab 9-5 for about 10 years.
Instead, they did a slight resking in mid-2000s hoping that this would be enough.
But that was not enough.
Saab 9-5 was not competitive even in year 2000.
Instead of bring real new product, GM management decided to rebadge the the Subaru Impreza and sell it as a Saab 9-2.
Then also reskinned a Chevy Trail Blazer and tried to sell it as Saab 9-7 instead of trying to fund the development of Saab's own CUV concept car which existed as a paper drawing since early years of this decade.
Frankly, if you look at Saab's decline under GM, it's not different from what we were seeing happening to Ford, Mercury, Chevy, and Pontiac.
That is the "American" was of doing car business.
Buying multiple brands, rebadging 15 year old designs and trying to sell them under 5 different brand names, etc.
This is why GM ended up going bankrupt this year.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30507732</id>
	<title>Re:numb driving experience</title>
	<author>quanta</author>
	<datestamp>1261314480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's talk about driving a Saab in Europe. back in the days Saab had a European pickup program where you would get 5\% off list, two round trip coach tickets to the factory and shipment back to the sates. I picked up a 2001 9-5 Aero at the factory in Trollhaten and drove it for 3 weeks all over the place. From Sweden to Copenhagen, Hamburg, Amsterdam, Brugge, Zurich, Vaduz and back through France to drop it off in Paris after 3500 mi at 120 mph every day. What a way to drive that car!!! At that speed it had unbelievable handling. Travel like this is something you can't really do in the US or even in the EU anymore...</p><p>Now almost 10 years later it has 110K and I can still get it over 110 on those lonely stretches.<br>Still looks pretty sharp and gets 30mpg. Pretty much regular maintenance. I love it and hope it lasts another 10 years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's talk about driving a Saab in Europe .
back in the days Saab had a European pickup program where you would get 5 \ % off list , two round trip coach tickets to the factory and shipment back to the sates .
I picked up a 2001 9-5 Aero at the factory in Trollhaten and drove it for 3 weeks all over the place .
From Sweden to Copenhagen , Hamburg , Amsterdam , Brugge , Zurich , Vaduz and back through France to drop it off in Paris after 3500 mi at 120 mph every day .
What a way to drive that car ! ! !
At that speed it had unbelievable handling .
Travel like this is something you ca n't really do in the US or even in the EU anymore...Now almost 10 years later it has 110K and I can still get it over 110 on those lonely stretches.Still looks pretty sharp and gets 30mpg .
Pretty much regular maintenance .
I love it and hope it lasts another 10 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's talk about driving a Saab in Europe.
back in the days Saab had a European pickup program where you would get 5\% off list, two round trip coach tickets to the factory and shipment back to the sates.
I picked up a 2001 9-5 Aero at the factory in Trollhaten and drove it for 3 weeks all over the place.
From Sweden to Copenhagen, Hamburg, Amsterdam, Brugge, Zurich, Vaduz and back through France to drop it off in Paris after 3500 mi at 120 mph every day.
What a way to drive that car!!!
At that speed it had unbelievable handling.
Travel like this is something you can't really do in the US or even in the EU anymore...Now almost 10 years later it has 110K and I can still get it over 110 on those lonely stretches.Still looks pretty sharp and gets 30mpg.
Pretty much regular maintenance.
I love it and hope it lasts another 10 years.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30508026</id>
	<title>Re:New bid..</title>
	<author>Buelldozer</author>
	<datestamp>1261318380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SAAB hasn't turned a profit since ***BEFORE*** GM bought half of it in...1989! That's two over decades of losses! How long do you expect a non-profitable business to survive?</p><p>Take off the rose colored glasses and read the real history.</p><p><a href="http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Saab-Automobile-AB-Company-History.html" title="fundinguniverse.com">http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Saab-Automobile-AB-Company-History.html</a> [fundinguniverse.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SAAB has n't turned a profit since * * * BEFORE * * * GM bought half of it in...1989 !
That 's two over decades of losses !
How long do you expect a non-profitable business to survive ? Take off the rose colored glasses and read the real history.http : //www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Saab-Automobile-AB-Company-History.html [ fundinguniverse.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SAAB hasn't turned a profit since ***BEFORE*** GM bought half of it in...1989!
That's two over decades of losses!
How long do you expect a non-profitable business to survive?Take off the rose colored glasses and read the real history.http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Saab-Automobile-AB-Company-History.html [fundinguniverse.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503502</id>
	<title>Speaking for myself as a Swedish brick driver,</title>
	<author>aussersterne</author>
	<datestamp>1261319760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I lose any interest in the brand the moment an American company buys it, because I know that the quality of the "American version" isn't going to hold a candle to the Swedish version. Once the Americans get their grubby little hands on it and start to try to integrate it into their manufacturing and supply chain and QC practices, the car's gonna just be another Chevy.</p><p>If I wanted a Chevy, I'd buy a chevy.</p><p>I'm finally getting ready to replace my '84 with 300k miles on it. When I do, I'm buying used, and I'm buying the "last Swedish year." I'm not touching any GM Saabs or Ford Volvos.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I lose any interest in the brand the moment an American company buys it , because I know that the quality of the " American version " is n't going to hold a candle to the Swedish version .
Once the Americans get their grubby little hands on it and start to try to integrate it into their manufacturing and supply chain and QC practices , the car 's gon na just be another Chevy.If I wanted a Chevy , I 'd buy a chevy.I 'm finally getting ready to replace my '84 with 300k miles on it .
When I do , I 'm buying used , and I 'm buying the " last Swedish year .
" I 'm not touching any GM Saabs or Ford Volvos .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I lose any interest in the brand the moment an American company buys it, because I know that the quality of the "American version" isn't going to hold a candle to the Swedish version.
Once the Americans get their grubby little hands on it and start to try to integrate it into their manufacturing and supply chain and QC practices, the car's gonna just be another Chevy.If I wanted a Chevy, I'd buy a chevy.I'm finally getting ready to replace my '84 with 300k miles on it.
When I do, I'm buying used, and I'm buying the "last Swedish year.
" I'm not touching any GM Saabs or Ford Volvos.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504144</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1261327380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"That kind of mileage is not uncommon, in fact almost expected in a Saab. What companies can suggest that kind of longevity today?"</p><p>Many of them.<br>Toyota, Volkswagen and Honda often last that long (and are gobbled up when they do make it to salvage to keep the rest running).<br>Those brands were just as tough even in the late 1980s. Turning well over 200K is even routine for domestic pickup trucks and (barf) Jeep Cherokees.</p><p>I feast on the dead in salvage yards and know their secrets.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" That kind of mileage is not uncommon , in fact almost expected in a Saab .
What companies can suggest that kind of longevity today ?
" Many of them.Toyota , Volkswagen and Honda often last that long ( and are gobbled up when they do make it to salvage to keep the rest running ) .Those brands were just as tough even in the late 1980s .
Turning well over 200K is even routine for domestic pickup trucks and ( barf ) Jeep Cherokees.I feast on the dead in salvage yards and know their secrets .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"That kind of mileage is not uncommon, in fact almost expected in a Saab.
What companies can suggest that kind of longevity today?
"Many of them.Toyota, Volkswagen and Honda often last that long (and are gobbled up when they do make it to salvage to keep the rest running).Those brands were just as tough even in the late 1980s.
Turning well over 200K is even routine for domestic pickup trucks and (barf) Jeep Cherokees.I feast on the dead in salvage yards and know their secrets.
:)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503490</id>
	<title>Over here companies can fail</title>
	<author>BlueParrot</author>
	<datestamp>1261319580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just as in the US they tried to get the government to bail them out using taxpayer's money, arguing it would save jobs, but the government rightly refused saying it was up to the companies themselves to sort out their finances.</p><p>Just goes to show. Even Sweden will let the free market actually do its job. Kinda ironic seeing how the neocons of other governments like to describe us.</p><p>Oh and while we're on the topic of governments acting sensibly, our presently rigth-wing government has lowered taxes AND cut carbon emissions. They basically reduced income tax and started taxing fossil fuels instead with the overall effect being a net reduction in tax revenue. So much for global warming just being a scam to tax us...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just as in the US they tried to get the government to bail them out using taxpayer 's money , arguing it would save jobs , but the government rightly refused saying it was up to the companies themselves to sort out their finances.Just goes to show .
Even Sweden will let the free market actually do its job .
Kinda ironic seeing how the neocons of other governments like to describe us.Oh and while we 're on the topic of governments acting sensibly , our presently rigth-wing government has lowered taxes AND cut carbon emissions .
They basically reduced income tax and started taxing fossil fuels instead with the overall effect being a net reduction in tax revenue .
So much for global warming just being a scam to tax us.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just as in the US they tried to get the government to bail them out using taxpayer's money, arguing it would save jobs, but the government rightly refused saying it was up to the companies themselves to sort out their finances.Just goes to show.
Even Sweden will let the free market actually do its job.
Kinda ironic seeing how the neocons of other governments like to describe us.Oh and while we're on the topic of governments acting sensibly, our presently rigth-wing government has lowered taxes AND cut carbon emissions.
They basically reduced income tax and started taxing fossil fuels instead with the overall effect being a net reduction in tax revenue.
So much for global warming just being a scam to tax us...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504916</id>
	<title>Re:Eh, you give the answer. Food</title>
	<author>Dun Malg</author>
	<datestamp>1261332960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Compare an american pizza with an italian one.</p></div><p>The best pizza I ever had was in Amsterdam, actually. The second best was in New York City. Italian pizza is, sad to say, largely unimpressive. It was, however still better than american pizza from a <b>chain</b> like Dominos.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> A real hamburger with anything from any american restaurant.</p></div><p>I can direct you to no less than six unbelievable hamburgers within 20 miles of where I currently sit in the US, as can anyone else in a medium or large sized city here. What you <i>won't</i> get is directions to a <b>chain</b> restaurant like McDonald's or Burger King.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> American beer?</p></div><p>I have to agree with you there. Beer here is terrible.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> Coffee?</p></div><p>I can direct you to no less than a dozen good coffee places here where I live... What you won't get is directions to a <b>chain</b> coffee place like Starbucks.<br> <br>

Are you picking up on the pattern? There's nothing wrong with our pizza, hamburgers, or coffee. The trouble is that <b>franchised chains</b> that specialize in these products do not make good stuff.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Compare an american pizza with an italian one.The best pizza I ever had was in Amsterdam , actually .
The second best was in New York City .
Italian pizza is , sad to say , largely unimpressive .
It was , however still better than american pizza from a chain like Dominos .
A real hamburger with anything from any american restaurant.I can direct you to no less than six unbelievable hamburgers within 20 miles of where I currently sit in the US , as can anyone else in a medium or large sized city here .
What you wo n't get is directions to a chain restaurant like McDonald 's or Burger King .
American beer ? I have to agree with you there .
Beer here is terrible .
Coffee ? I can direct you to no less than a dozen good coffee places here where I live... What you wo n't get is directions to a chain coffee place like Starbucks .
Are you picking up on the pattern ?
There 's nothing wrong with our pizza , hamburgers , or coffee .
The trouble is that franchised chains that specialize in these products do not make good stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Compare an american pizza with an italian one.The best pizza I ever had was in Amsterdam, actually.
The second best was in New York City.
Italian pizza is, sad to say, largely unimpressive.
It was, however still better than american pizza from a chain like Dominos.
A real hamburger with anything from any american restaurant.I can direct you to no less than six unbelievable hamburgers within 20 miles of where I currently sit in the US, as can anyone else in a medium or large sized city here.
What you won't get is directions to a chain restaurant like McDonald's or Burger King.
American beer?I have to agree with you there.
Beer here is terrible.
Coffee?I can direct you to no less than a dozen good coffee places here where I live... What you won't get is directions to a chain coffee place like Starbucks.
Are you picking up on the pattern?
There's nothing wrong with our pizza, hamburgers, or coffee.
The trouble is that franchised chains that specialize in these products do not make good stuff.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504998</id>
	<title>Re:numb driving experience</title>
	<author>Brett Buck</author>
	<datestamp>1261333620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>     But what is it with Americans preferring numb cars that totally insulate them from what the car is doing? They all seem to like very mushy suspensions where the car tips around corners, and automatic transmissions. Then, because they drive very tippy cars with very high centre of gravity, they're deathly afraid of corners, and they nearly stop every time there's the slightest bend in the road.</p></div></blockquote><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Riiight - great insight there. Two important points - the US is *huge* and you try running across the country on I-80 with stiff springs. Its a little different from driving across whatever country you live in. That's also why you want cupholders - If you stop every 150 miles to get something to drink you won't get anywhere. Given good roads I could drive across Western Europe with no stops - my longest single stint is something like 525 miles with no stops. A 1200-mile day is not at all unusual, and then you get to do it again tomorrow. I just drove a European car 1900 miles on the interstate, and it was OK most of the time, then when going through LA I needed a kidney belt. Secondly - if American's loved squishy cars with super-soft suspension, how come GM, Ford, and Chrysler are going out of business? They can't give things like Monte Carlos away. If anybody wants a regular car, they get a Honda or Toyota.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I'm an American - and should you come around, I will happily do hot laps with you around a road course, and see how great you are.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; To summarize - you don't know what the hell you are talking about.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Brett</p></div>
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<tokenext>But what is it with Americans preferring numb cars that totally insulate them from what the car is doing ?
They all seem to like very mushy suspensions where the car tips around corners , and automatic transmissions .
Then , because they drive very tippy cars with very high centre of gravity , they 're deathly afraid of corners , and they nearly stop every time there 's the slightest bend in the road .
          Riiight - great insight there .
Two important points - the US is * huge * and you try running across the country on I-80 with stiff springs .
Its a little different from driving across whatever country you live in .
That 's also why you want cupholders - If you stop every 150 miles to get something to drink you wo n't get anywhere .
Given good roads I could drive across Western Europe with no stops - my longest single stint is something like 525 miles with no stops .
A 1200-mile day is not at all unusual , and then you get to do it again tomorrow .
I just drove a European car 1900 miles on the interstate , and it was OK most of the time , then when going through LA I needed a kidney belt .
Secondly - if American 's loved squishy cars with super-soft suspension , how come GM , Ford , and Chrysler are going out of business ?
They ca n't give things like Monte Carlos away .
If anybody wants a regular car , they get a Honda or Toyota .
        I 'm an American - and should you come around , I will happily do hot laps with you around a road course , and see how great you are .
        To summarize - you do n't know what the hell you are talking about .
            Brett</tokentext>
<sentencetext>     But what is it with Americans preferring numb cars that totally insulate them from what the car is doing?
They all seem to like very mushy suspensions where the car tips around corners, and automatic transmissions.
Then, because they drive very tippy cars with very high centre of gravity, they're deathly afraid of corners, and they nearly stop every time there's the slightest bend in the road.
          Riiight - great insight there.
Two important points - the US is *huge* and you try running across the country on I-80 with stiff springs.
Its a little different from driving across whatever country you live in.
That's also why you want cupholders - If you stop every 150 miles to get something to drink you won't get anywhere.
Given good roads I could drive across Western Europe with no stops - my longest single stint is something like 525 miles with no stops.
A 1200-mile day is not at all unusual, and then you get to do it again tomorrow.
I just drove a European car 1900 miles on the interstate, and it was OK most of the time, then when going through LA I needed a kidney belt.
Secondly - if American's loved squishy cars with super-soft suspension, how come GM, Ford, and Chrysler are going out of business?
They can't give things like Monte Carlos away.
If anybody wants a regular car, they get a Honda or Toyota.
        I'm an American - and should you come around, I will happily do hot laps with you around a road course, and see how great you are.
        To summarize - you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
            Brett
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503686</id>
	<title>Re:Victim of its own success (sorta)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261321560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SAAB,just another victim of the American(jewish) corporate criminals and wall street banksters.</p><p>everything these greed ridden bastards have touched<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,they mismanaged,polluted and looted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SAAB,just another victim of the American ( jewish ) corporate criminals and wall street banksters.everything these greed ridden bastards have touched ,they mismanaged,polluted and looted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SAAB,just another victim of the American(jewish) corporate criminals and wall street banksters.everything these greed ridden bastards have touched ,they mismanaged,polluted and looted.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503672</id>
	<title>Horrifyingly poor management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261321440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Back before they developed the yuppie image and the high prices, they were just a nice solid car that was unstoppable in bad weather.   Certainly they were more expensive than the typical car, but not so much so that they were unaffordable.</p><p>But GM really destroyed them by pushing them into a market that they were designed for.</p><p>We New Englanders still need a nice winter car, and Saab is not there for that purpose any more because they are just too darned expensive now.  I only have one because I bought it used, there's no way I'm going to pay $40K for a car.</p><p>Saab was a modest company making a modest profit on a modest sales.  GM came along and doubled their production and raised the prices.  In the process they made the company much more fragile because now they had to maintain sales levels to pay down the expenses of expanding.</p><p>Really the story is not all that different from the typical failed high-tech company: crash and burn while attempting to grow out of the initial successful market.  The projected sales increases don't happen.  This failure pattern happens over and over again so many times, you'd think managers would learn.</p><p>A lesson to be learned and yet another reason for Europeans to be annoyed at Americans.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Back before they developed the yuppie image and the high prices , they were just a nice solid car that was unstoppable in bad weather .
Certainly they were more expensive than the typical car , but not so much so that they were unaffordable.But GM really destroyed them by pushing them into a market that they were designed for.We New Englanders still need a nice winter car , and Saab is not there for that purpose any more because they are just too darned expensive now .
I only have one because I bought it used , there 's no way I 'm going to pay $ 40K for a car.Saab was a modest company making a modest profit on a modest sales .
GM came along and doubled their production and raised the prices .
In the process they made the company much more fragile because now they had to maintain sales levels to pay down the expenses of expanding.Really the story is not all that different from the typical failed high-tech company : crash and burn while attempting to grow out of the initial successful market .
The projected sales increases do n't happen .
This failure pattern happens over and over again so many times , you 'd think managers would learn.A lesson to be learned and yet another reason for Europeans to be annoyed at Americans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back before they developed the yuppie image and the high prices, they were just a nice solid car that was unstoppable in bad weather.
Certainly they were more expensive than the typical car, but not so much so that they were unaffordable.But GM really destroyed them by pushing them into a market that they were designed for.We New Englanders still need a nice winter car, and Saab is not there for that purpose any more because they are just too darned expensive now.
I only have one because I bought it used, there's no way I'm going to pay $40K for a car.Saab was a modest company making a modest profit on a modest sales.
GM came along and doubled their production and raised the prices.
In the process they made the company much more fragile because now they had to maintain sales levels to pay down the expenses of expanding.Really the story is not all that different from the typical failed high-tech company: crash and burn while attempting to grow out of the initial successful market.
The projected sales increases don't happen.
This failure pattern happens over and over again so many times, you'd think managers would learn.A lesson to be learned and yet another reason for Europeans to be annoyed at Americans.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504154</id>
	<title>Re:Near-Death Experience of Saab</title>
	<author>stuntpope</author>
	<datestamp>1261327440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gad. I hated the Saabarus and what GM did.</p><p>The quote in this story,  "(SAAB) wasn't designed to be a fashion statement, it was designed to provide transportation under miserable weather conditions." tells the story of when Saab was at its best. In the GM years, at least in the US, Saab took the path of expensive Euro car. Saabs and Volvos both used to drive a bit like trucks, but they felt secure and solid. Trying to market Saabs as a Swedish BMW failed - people looking for the cachet of BMW will buy BMW.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Gad .
I hated the Saabarus and what GM did.The quote in this story , " ( SAAB ) was n't designed to be a fashion statement , it was designed to provide transportation under miserable weather conditions .
" tells the story of when Saab was at its best .
In the GM years , at least in the US , Saab took the path of expensive Euro car .
Saabs and Volvos both used to drive a bit like trucks , but they felt secure and solid .
Trying to market Saabs as a Swedish BMW failed - people looking for the cachet of BMW will buy BMW .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gad.
I hated the Saabarus and what GM did.The quote in this story,  "(SAAB) wasn't designed to be a fashion statement, it was designed to provide transportation under miserable weather conditions.
" tells the story of when Saab was at its best.
In the GM years, at least in the US, Saab took the path of expensive Euro car.
Saabs and Volvos both used to drive a bit like trucks, but they felt secure and solid.
Trying to market Saabs as a Swedish BMW failed - people looking for the cachet of BMW will buy BMW.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503696</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>onionman</author>
	<datestamp>1261321740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please mod parent up.</p><p>(The post provides informative rationale for design decisions.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please mod parent up .
( The post provides informative rationale for design decisions .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please mod parent up.
(The post provides informative rationale for design decisions.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504178</id>
	<title>Re:numb driving experience</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1261327680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have too many miles of roads to maintain them in autobahn style, there is no need for rapid cornering, and auto trannies make for convenient stop-and-go driving.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have too many miles of roads to maintain them in autobahn style , there is no need for rapid cornering , and auto trannies make for convenient stop-and-go driving .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have too many miles of roads to maintain them in autobahn style, there is no need for rapid cornering, and auto trannies make for convenient stop-and-go driving.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505144</id>
	<title>Re:numb driving experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261334760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>American cars are portable living rooms.  We don't invest in mass transit and most American cities are sprawled over large areas.  As a result, most people use their cars for commuting to and from work.  A 1 1/2 hour commute to work is not unheard of.  Since everyone does this, we rarely travel at more than 35 or 40 miles per hour.     Personally, I've clocked 2 mph on my GPS over a 10 mile stretch while commuting home.</p><p>Not much need for performance there.   Comfort is king.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>American cars are portable living rooms .
We do n't invest in mass transit and most American cities are sprawled over large areas .
As a result , most people use their cars for commuting to and from work .
A 1 1/2 hour commute to work is not unheard of .
Since everyone does this , we rarely travel at more than 35 or 40 miles per hour .
Personally , I 've clocked 2 mph on my GPS over a 10 mile stretch while commuting home.Not much need for performance there .
Comfort is king .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>American cars are portable living rooms.
We don't invest in mass transit and most American cities are sprawled over large areas.
As a result, most people use their cars for commuting to and from work.
A 1 1/2 hour commute to work is not unheard of.
Since everyone does this, we rarely travel at more than 35 or 40 miles per hour.
Personally, I've clocked 2 mph on my GPS over a 10 mile stretch while commuting home.Not much need for performance there.
Comfort is king.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505318</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>The Grim Reefer2</author>
	<datestamp>1261336080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Everyone has stories to tell about their car that made it past 200k. Shit, I drive a 2002 Chevy Astrovan with 239k miles. Doesn't mean it's a good van. </p></div><p>Indeed. I had an 86 Cadillac Seville that I traded in at 320K miles (it still ran fine). However this was a oddity as that particular engine was known for shaving the lobes off of the cam in less than 100K miles. But I always use synthetic oil and change it at 5K miles no matter what I drive.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone has stories to tell about their car that made it past 200k .
Shit , I drive a 2002 Chevy Astrovan with 239k miles .
Does n't mean it 's a good van .
Indeed. I had an 86 Cadillac Seville that I traded in at 320K miles ( it still ran fine ) .
However this was a oddity as that particular engine was known for shaving the lobes off of the cam in less than 100K miles .
But I always use synthetic oil and change it at 5K miles no matter what I drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone has stories to tell about their car that made it past 200k.
Shit, I drive a 2002 Chevy Astrovan with 239k miles.
Doesn't mean it's a good van.
Indeed. I had an 86 Cadillac Seville that I traded in at 320K miles (it still ran fine).
However this was a oddity as that particular engine was known for shaving the lobes off of the cam in less than 100K miles.
But I always use synthetic oil and change it at 5K miles no matter what I drive.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505304</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1261336020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I am driving a '93 9000 with &gt;195k"</p><p>How 'bout a '90 Mazda MX6?  It went over 1/4 million miles back in May or June.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;^)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I am driving a '93 9000 with &gt; 195k " How 'bout a '90 Mazda MX6 ?
It went over 1/4 million miles back in May or June .
; ^ )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I am driving a '93 9000 with &gt;195k"How 'bout a '90 Mazda MX6?
It went over 1/4 million miles back in May or June.
;^)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504680</id>
	<title>Let the EU buy it then.</title>
	<author>p51d007</author>
	<datestamp>1261331220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>GM owns it (which was dumb in the first place), so let the Swiss buy it back from GM.</htmltext>
<tokenext>GM owns it ( which was dumb in the first place ) , so let the Swiss buy it back from GM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GM owns it (which was dumb in the first place), so let the Swiss buy it back from GM.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30508700</id>
	<title>Re:And why do I care?</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1261326540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oldsmobile hasn't been a real car company since before WW II. It was just a brand that GM used to market generic GM cars. The same is true of Saturn, though their demotion to "just a brand" is pretty recent. Pontiac and Plymouth were never anything <i>except</i> brands. Their disappearance didn't really represent the shuttering of specific businesses, just GM and Chrysler getting some of the cruft out of their marketing and distribution models.</p><p>By contrast, Saab is a distinct entity for a very long time, one that created a lot of really interesting cars, and never disappeared into the GM bureaucracy. Their product was popular among geeky types for a long time, especially before they started specializing in "luxury" cars.</p><p>Saab has its own factories, designers, etc. <i>Everybody</i> who works there, from the janitor to the CEO, is out of work. The workers in the rest of GM do have reason to worry, but layoffs for them are something to worry about, not a dead certainty.</p><p>Completely different story.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oldsmobile has n't been a real car company since before WW II .
It was just a brand that GM used to market generic GM cars .
The same is true of Saturn , though their demotion to " just a brand " is pretty recent .
Pontiac and Plymouth were never anything except brands .
Their disappearance did n't really represent the shuttering of specific businesses , just GM and Chrysler getting some of the cruft out of their marketing and distribution models.By contrast , Saab is a distinct entity for a very long time , one that created a lot of really interesting cars , and never disappeared into the GM bureaucracy .
Their product was popular among geeky types for a long time , especially before they started specializing in " luxury " cars.Saab has its own factories , designers , etc .
Everybody who works there , from the janitor to the CEO , is out of work .
The workers in the rest of GM do have reason to worry , but layoffs for them are something to worry about , not a dead certainty.Completely different story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oldsmobile hasn't been a real car company since before WW II.
It was just a brand that GM used to market generic GM cars.
The same is true of Saturn, though their demotion to "just a brand" is pretty recent.
Pontiac and Plymouth were never anything except brands.
Their disappearance didn't really represent the shuttering of specific businesses, just GM and Chrysler getting some of the cruft out of their marketing and distribution models.By contrast, Saab is a distinct entity for a very long time, one that created a lot of really interesting cars, and never disappeared into the GM bureaucracy.
Their product was popular among geeky types for a long time, especially before they started specializing in "luxury" cars.Saab has its own factories, designers, etc.
Everybody who works there, from the janitor to the CEO, is out of work.
The workers in the rest of GM do have reason to worry, but layoffs for them are something to worry about, not a dead certainty.Completely different story.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504250</id>
	<title>Re:And why do I care?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261328220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously. Saturn getting killed off was painful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously .
Saturn getting killed off was painful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously.
Saturn getting killed off was painful.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30508630</id>
	<title>Re:And why do I care?</title>
	<author>gad\_zuki!</author>
	<datestamp>1261325520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Saturn S-classes go forever.  If anything Saturn cars were too good and too easy to fix for faux-riche people who just needed something that said "foreign and expensive and will soon be replaced with another expensive pile of junk" to impress their neighbors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Saturn S-classes go forever .
If anything Saturn cars were too good and too easy to fix for faux-riche people who just needed something that said " foreign and expensive and will soon be replaced with another expensive pile of junk " to impress their neighbors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Saturn S-classes go forever.
If anything Saturn cars were too good and too easy to fix for faux-riche people who just needed something that said "foreign and expensive and will soon be replaced with another expensive pile of junk" to impress their neighbors.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505254</id>
	<title>Saab was great until 900i</title>
	<author>miffo.swe</author>
	<datestamp>1261335420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SAAB was once a great car for its time. From the first SAAB 92 up until the middle 900 series they was pretty excellent compared to many other cars. The heating in a SAAB was very good and suitable for northern climate, not to mention the nice handling in heavy snow.</p><p>I dont know what went wrong really but a big shift in the target audience of the cars was made. Later cars was very expensive, bland and gaz guzzlers.</p><p>The Chinese are getting up to speed making cars so i guess it was just a matter of time before European and American cars started to disappear. The worst that could happen is if the Chinese somehow manage to make fuel efficient cars much cheaper than other countries. Up until now there has been easy to keep trade barriers up in the name of the enviroment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SAAB was once a great car for its time .
From the first SAAB 92 up until the middle 900 series they was pretty excellent compared to many other cars .
The heating in a SAAB was very good and suitable for northern climate , not to mention the nice handling in heavy snow.I dont know what went wrong really but a big shift in the target audience of the cars was made .
Later cars was very expensive , bland and gaz guzzlers.The Chinese are getting up to speed making cars so i guess it was just a matter of time before European and American cars started to disappear .
The worst that could happen is if the Chinese somehow manage to make fuel efficient cars much cheaper than other countries .
Up until now there has been easy to keep trade barriers up in the name of the enviroment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SAAB was once a great car for its time.
From the first SAAB 92 up until the middle 900 series they was pretty excellent compared to many other cars.
The heating in a SAAB was very good and suitable for northern climate, not to mention the nice handling in heavy snow.I dont know what went wrong really but a big shift in the target audience of the cars was made.
Later cars was very expensive, bland and gaz guzzlers.The Chinese are getting up to speed making cars so i guess it was just a matter of time before European and American cars started to disappear.
The worst that could happen is if the Chinese somehow manage to make fuel efficient cars much cheaper than other countries.
Up until now there has been easy to keep trade barriers up in the name of the enviroment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30508322</id>
	<title>Re:They can't die fast enough...</title>
	<author>cloud95728</author>
	<datestamp>1261321980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have been working on European cars since the 50's. I worked on SAAB's in dealerships from 1980 to 1986. They were easy to work
on and great performing and reliable cars. However, the vast majority of USA mechanics are very poorly trained and that is
the real reason so many of these cars did not run right in the USA.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been working on European cars since the 50 's .
I worked on SAAB 's in dealerships from 1980 to 1986 .
They were easy to work on and great performing and reliable cars .
However , the vast majority of USA mechanics are very poorly trained and that is the real reason so many of these cars did not run right in the USA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been working on European cars since the 50's.
I worked on SAAB's in dealerships from 1980 to 1986.
They were easy to work
on and great performing and reliable cars.
However, the vast majority of USA mechanics are very poorly trained and that is
the real reason so many of these cars did not run right in the USA.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30509656</id>
	<title>By Neruos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261339140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A better product does not equal a better profit. People need to understand that Capitialism is at the sole mercy of the consumer and like all consumers, someone's fancy 1 day can be completely different the next. It's not all about supply and demand, sure that model worked 500 years ago, but it's a double edge sword.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A better product does not equal a better profit .
People need to understand that Capitialism is at the sole mercy of the consumer and like all consumers , someone 's fancy 1 day can be completely different the next .
It 's not all about supply and demand , sure that model worked 500 years ago , but it 's a double edge sword .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A better product does not equal a better profit.
People need to understand that Capitialism is at the sole mercy of the consumer and like all consumers, someone's fancy 1 day can be completely different the next.
It's not all about supply and demand, sure that model worked 500 years ago, but it's a double edge sword.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30508078</id>
	<title>Re:Horrifyingly poor management</title>
	<author>Buelldozer</author>
	<datestamp>1261319040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where are you getting this from? The write up at: <a href="http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Saab-Automobile-AB-Company-History.html" title="fundinguniverse.com">http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Saab-Automobile-AB-Company-History.html</a> [fundinguniverse.com]</p><p>Show the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you just said.</p><p>When GM acquired at 50\% stake in SAAB in 1989 the company had already been operating at a LOSS for several years. They decreased the time to build a car from 100 hours to 50-60 hours, increasing per unit profit!</p><p>Also don't overlook that for much of the period of GM "ownership" they actually had only \%50 of the company. Peter Wallenberg / INVESTOR owned the other half!</p><p>Why SAABs demise is being blamed solely on GM is beyond me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where are you getting this from ?
The write up at : http : //www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Saab-Automobile-AB-Company-History.html [ fundinguniverse.com ] Show the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you just said.When GM acquired at 50 \ % stake in SAAB in 1989 the company had already been operating at a LOSS for several years .
They decreased the time to build a car from 100 hours to 50-60 hours , increasing per unit profit ! Also do n't overlook that for much of the period of GM " ownership " they actually had only \ % 50 of the company .
Peter Wallenberg / INVESTOR owned the other half ! Why SAABs demise is being blamed solely on GM is beyond me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where are you getting this from?
The write up at: http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Saab-Automobile-AB-Company-History.html [fundinguniverse.com]Show the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you just said.When GM acquired at 50\% stake in SAAB in 1989 the company had already been operating at a LOSS for several years.
They decreased the time to build a car from 100 hours to 50-60 hours, increasing per unit profit!Also don't overlook that for much of the period of GM "ownership" they actually had only \%50 of the company.
Peter Wallenberg / INVESTOR owned the other half!Why SAABs demise is being blamed solely on GM is beyond me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504020</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261325940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One of the major reasons for why Volvo is seen as such a reliable and safe car is because of the rivalry with SAAB. The smaller brand SAAB kept pushing Volvo to innovate and become better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the major reasons for why Volvo is seen as such a reliable and safe car is because of the rivalry with SAAB .
The smaller brand SAAB kept pushing Volvo to innovate and become better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the major reasons for why Volvo is seen as such a reliable and safe car is because of the rivalry with SAAB.
The smaller brand SAAB kept pushing Volvo to innovate and become better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503944</id>
	<title>Re:They can't die fast enough...</title>
	<author>maestroX</author>
	<datestamp>1261325040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>That GM can't give the company away, and can't make money selling weird cars is proof of this. The year GM purchased Saab they killed off Oldsmobile. Saab was selling ~40,000 cars per year, Olds was selling 250,000 cars per year.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
GM had a majority in Saab in 1990 (51\%) and bought it completely in 2000. Olds was killed in 2004.
GM offers unisex cars that no one wants, both brands do not fit the bill.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That GM ca n't give the company away , and ca n't make money selling weird cars is proof of this .
The year GM purchased Saab they killed off Oldsmobile .
Saab was selling ~ 40,000 cars per year , Olds was selling 250,000 cars per year .
GM had a majority in Saab in 1990 ( 51 \ % ) and bought it completely in 2000 .
Olds was killed in 2004 .
GM offers unisex cars that no one wants , both brands do not fit the bill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That GM can't give the company away, and can't make money selling weird cars is proof of this.
The year GM purchased Saab they killed off Oldsmobile.
Saab was selling ~40,000 cars per year, Olds was selling 250,000 cars per year.
GM had a majority in Saab in 1990 (51\%) and bought it completely in 2000.
Olds was killed in 2004.
GM offers unisex cars that no one wants, both brands do not fit the bill.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505010</id>
	<title>Re:And why do I care?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261333800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Comparing SAAB to Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Plymouth &amp; Saturn? Really? Badge engineered specials like those marques are very different from what was a very much engineering-focused Swedish brand with heavy-cross-pollination from the parent company's aircraft arm.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Comparing SAAB to Oldsmobile , Pontiac , Plymouth &amp; Saturn ?
Really ? Badge engineered specials like those marques are very different from what was a very much engineering-focused Swedish brand with heavy-cross-pollination from the parent company 's aircraft arm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Comparing SAAB to Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Plymouth &amp; Saturn?
Really? Badge engineered specials like those marques are very different from what was a very much engineering-focused Swedish brand with heavy-cross-pollination from the parent company's aircraft arm.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503640</id>
	<title>Re:Over here companies can fail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261321020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't worry about losing your socialist reputation, we still remember very well the Swedish 'women's shelter' case where a government minister and government money funded training courses where distressed women were taugh that the vast majority of men raped their girlfriends, except for "maybe some very few".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't worry about losing your socialist reputation , we still remember very well the Swedish 'women 's shelter ' case where a government minister and government money funded training courses where distressed women were taugh that the vast majority of men raped their girlfriends , except for " maybe some very few " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't worry about losing your socialist reputation, we still remember very well the Swedish 'women's shelter' case where a government minister and government money funded training courses where distressed women were taugh that the vast majority of men raped their girlfriends, except for "maybe some very few".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30506678</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261304340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're obviously not a driving enthusiast.  This myth that front engine front wheel drive cars have great 'traction' in the snow is ridiculous.  Sure, you can ACCELERATE faster because the weight is on the drive wheels, but that is where this gained 'traction' ends.  Cars setup this way handle poorly and understeer horribly when accelerating out of a corner.</p><p>I'm tired of the "better in winter" excuse for having everything front wheel drive now - they are cheaper to manufacture and the advantages end there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're obviously not a driving enthusiast .
This myth that front engine front wheel drive cars have great 'traction ' in the snow is ridiculous .
Sure , you can ACCELERATE faster because the weight is on the drive wheels , but that is where this gained 'traction ' ends .
Cars setup this way handle poorly and understeer horribly when accelerating out of a corner.I 'm tired of the " better in winter " excuse for having everything front wheel drive now - they are cheaper to manufacture and the advantages end there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're obviously not a driving enthusiast.
This myth that front engine front wheel drive cars have great 'traction' in the snow is ridiculous.
Sure, you can ACCELERATE faster because the weight is on the drive wheels, but that is where this gained 'traction' ends.
Cars setup this way handle poorly and understeer horribly when accelerating out of a corner.I'm tired of the "better in winter" excuse for having everything front wheel drive now - they are cheaper to manufacture and the advantages end there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504796</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>Hadlock</author>
	<datestamp>1261332060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think most of the FWD maintenance horror stories of saabs and other cars from that era is simply the auto industry cutting it's teeth on FWD designs. My neon required some specialized tool to just change the timing belt, which also powered the water pump and required a lot of what you mention. I think they would have changed it if they could have, but it takes a lot of money to redesign, retool, and then still support the previous design with replacement parts. In the last 15 years the newer designs show drastic improvements in serviceability. 1975-1987 or so were the dark ages for FWD engineering (unless you were the japanese for some reason).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think most of the FWD maintenance horror stories of saabs and other cars from that era is simply the auto industry cutting it 's teeth on FWD designs .
My neon required some specialized tool to just change the timing belt , which also powered the water pump and required a lot of what you mention .
I think they would have changed it if they could have , but it takes a lot of money to redesign , retool , and then still support the previous design with replacement parts .
In the last 15 years the newer designs show drastic improvements in serviceability .
1975-1987 or so were the dark ages for FWD engineering ( unless you were the japanese for some reason ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think most of the FWD maintenance horror stories of saabs and other cars from that era is simply the auto industry cutting it's teeth on FWD designs.
My neon required some specialized tool to just change the timing belt, which also powered the water pump and required a lot of what you mention.
I think they would have changed it if they could have, but it takes a lot of money to redesign, retool, and then still support the previous design with replacement parts.
In the last 15 years the newer designs show drastic improvements in serviceability.
1975-1987 or so were the dark ages for FWD engineering (unless you were the japanese for some reason).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30507710</id>
	<title>Re:Near-Death Experience of Saab</title>
	<author>hairyfeet</author>
	<datestamp>1261314120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well here is you an example to get the feel of how it works, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford\_Ranger" title="wikipedia.org">Ford Ranger</a> [wikipedia.org], which you probably know as the Mazda B series, and we here in America get both. I have sat my Ranger beside a B Series and yakked at the Mazda owner and you really can't tell them apart. They change the grill work a little bit but other than that they are Twinkies.</p><p>The same goes for Capri/Mustang, the 70s Camaro/Firebird/Trans Am had a lot of identical parts, and most Ford and Chevy family cars are pretty much the same car, just named a dozen different things in each company. Personally I like it, as when I had a Mustang it was often cheaper to score some Mercury parts than Pony parts, and if anything happens to my Ranger I'll have the Mazda as well as Ford parts to grab, not that I would need to as there seems to be a bazillion Rangers where I live.</p><p>

So they don't have Twinkie vehicles in OZ? How do they fill up their lines, or do they just offer a couple of models and that's it? Hell it wouldn't be an American car lot of we didn't have 50 versions. I know that with the Ranger they have the short cab, the four door, the "sport package", the fleet vehicle, which is a short cab with 4 Cylinder and standard transmission painted company white, etc. Its probably why our car companies got into trouble, having to have 40 variations on a theme.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well here is you an example to get the feel of how it works , the Ford Ranger [ wikipedia.org ] , which you probably know as the Mazda B series , and we here in America get both .
I have sat my Ranger beside a B Series and yakked at the Mazda owner and you really ca n't tell them apart .
They change the grill work a little bit but other than that they are Twinkies.The same goes for Capri/Mustang , the 70s Camaro/Firebird/Trans Am had a lot of identical parts , and most Ford and Chevy family cars are pretty much the same car , just named a dozen different things in each company .
Personally I like it , as when I had a Mustang it was often cheaper to score some Mercury parts than Pony parts , and if anything happens to my Ranger I 'll have the Mazda as well as Ford parts to grab , not that I would need to as there seems to be a bazillion Rangers where I live .
So they do n't have Twinkie vehicles in OZ ?
How do they fill up their lines , or do they just offer a couple of models and that 's it ?
Hell it would n't be an American car lot of we did n't have 50 versions .
I know that with the Ranger they have the short cab , the four door , the " sport package " , the fleet vehicle , which is a short cab with 4 Cylinder and standard transmission painted company white , etc .
Its probably why our car companies got into trouble , having to have 40 variations on a theme .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well here is you an example to get the feel of how it works, the Ford Ranger [wikipedia.org], which you probably know as the Mazda B series, and we here in America get both.
I have sat my Ranger beside a B Series and yakked at the Mazda owner and you really can't tell them apart.
They change the grill work a little bit but other than that they are Twinkies.The same goes for Capri/Mustang, the 70s Camaro/Firebird/Trans Am had a lot of identical parts, and most Ford and Chevy family cars are pretty much the same car, just named a dozen different things in each company.
Personally I like it, as when I had a Mustang it was often cheaper to score some Mercury parts than Pony parts, and if anything happens to my Ranger I'll have the Mazda as well as Ford parts to grab, not that I would need to as there seems to be a bazillion Rangers where I live.
So they don't have Twinkie vehicles in OZ?
How do they fill up their lines, or do they just offer a couple of models and that's it?
Hell it wouldn't be an American car lot of we didn't have 50 versions.
I know that with the Ranger they have the short cab, the four door, the "sport package", the fleet vehicle, which is a short cab with 4 Cylinder and standard transmission painted company white, etc.
Its probably why our car companies got into trouble, having to have 40 variations on a theme.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30507342</id>
	<title>A bad case of "think different"</title>
	<author>gardel999</author>
	<datestamp>1261309980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I owned a couple of Saabs in the 80s during their heyday. I liked that they were "different". But the reality is that even though I purchased them with low mileage, I had nothing but mechanical problems with them. It was just like owning the many American cars I had previously. I started buying Japanese and later, German, and watched lots of those problems go away. Saabs? Good ideas but poor execution. They needed to die. I think other than trucks, where they serve a useful purpose, GM should die too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I owned a couple of Saabs in the 80s during their heyday .
I liked that they were " different " .
But the reality is that even though I purchased them with low mileage , I had nothing but mechanical problems with them .
It was just like owning the many American cars I had previously .
I started buying Japanese and later , German , and watched lots of those problems go away .
Saabs ? Good ideas but poor execution .
They needed to die .
I think other than trucks , where they serve a useful purpose , GM should die too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I owned a couple of Saabs in the 80s during their heyday.
I liked that they were "different".
But the reality is that even though I purchased them with low mileage, I had nothing but mechanical problems with them.
It was just like owning the many American cars I had previously.
I started buying Japanese and later, German, and watched lots of those problems go away.
Saabs? Good ideas but poor execution.
They needed to die.
I think other than trucks, where they serve a useful purpose, GM should die too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505342</id>
	<title>Damn!</title>
	<author>jd80026</author>
	<datestamp>1261336260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just bought "Kill Your TV" and "Visualize Whirled Peas" bumper stickers.  To what vehicle will I attach them now?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just bought " Kill Your TV " and " Visualize Whirled Peas " bumper stickers .
To what vehicle will I attach them now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just bought "Kill Your TV" and "Visualize Whirled Peas" bumper stickers.
To what vehicle will I attach them now?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503424</id>
	<title>Two questions from ignorance</title>
	<author>paiute</author>
	<datestamp>1261318440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Who owned SAAB before?<br>2. If it is such a good brand, why don't those previous owners buy it back?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Who owned SAAB before ? 2 .
If it is such a good brand , why do n't those previous owners buy it back ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Who owned SAAB before?2.
If it is such a good brand, why don't those previous owners buy it back?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505772</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261340040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>There was at least one big win that came from mounting the engine "backwards": replacing the clutch was way easier (admittedly, with the proper factory tools) than in a "normal" arrangement.

-former SAAB mechanic (1992-1999) and current owner of a 1980 and a 1993 900 Turbo</htmltext>
<tokenext>There was at least one big win that came from mounting the engine " backwards " : replacing the clutch was way easier ( admittedly , with the proper factory tools ) than in a " normal " arrangement .
-former SAAB mechanic ( 1992-1999 ) and current owner of a 1980 and a 1993 900 Turbo</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was at least one big win that came from mounting the engine "backwards": replacing the clutch was way easier (admittedly, with the proper factory tools) than in a "normal" arrangement.
-former SAAB mechanic (1992-1999) and current owner of a 1980 and a 1993 900 Turbo</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505978</id>
	<title>Re:Let the EU buy it then.</title>
	<author>mjwalshe</author>
	<datestamp>1261341540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>well of course an american company when faced with the over capacity in the world car market is going to shut down non US susidiarys first<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(</htmltext>
<tokenext>well of course an american company when faced with the over capacity in the world car market is going to shut down non US susidiarys first : - (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>well of course an american company when faced with the over capacity in the world car market is going to shut down non US susidiarys first :-(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505212</id>
	<title>Re:Speaking for myself as a Swedish brick driver,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261335240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I lose any interest in the brand the moment an American company buys it, because I know that the quality of the "American version" isn't going to hold a candle to the Swedish version.</p></div><p>I stopped reading your rant right there.  This is like the
fat kid picking on the retarded kid.  As an
exclusive Honda/"Acura" driver, it's just
too funny when European car enthusiasts try
to talk smack about American cars and vice versa.
  Almost without exceptions, they are all trash.
And that most definitely includes Saab.  </p><p>

Ha ha, what a joke.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I lose any interest in the brand the moment an American company buys it , because I know that the quality of the " American version " is n't going to hold a candle to the Swedish version.I stopped reading your rant right there .
This is like the fat kid picking on the retarded kid .
As an exclusive Honda/ " Acura " driver , it 's just too funny when European car enthusiasts try to talk smack about American cars and vice versa .
Almost without exceptions , they are all trash .
And that most definitely includes Saab .
Ha ha , what a joke .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I lose any interest in the brand the moment an American company buys it, because I know that the quality of the "American version" isn't going to hold a candle to the Swedish version.I stopped reading your rant right there.
This is like the
fat kid picking on the retarded kid.
As an
exclusive Honda/"Acura" driver, it's just
too funny when European car enthusiasts try
to talk smack about American cars and vice versa.
Almost without exceptions, they are all trash.
And that most definitely includes Saab.
Ha ha, what a joke.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504412</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>digitalunity</author>
	<datestamp>1261329300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For novice(meaning average) drivers, understeer is far more predictable and manageable then oversteer. After driving a 3rd gen Toyota Supra turbo for a few years, I can tell you oversteer can scare the bejeezus out of anybody if you're not expecting it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For novice ( meaning average ) drivers , understeer is far more predictable and manageable then oversteer .
After driving a 3rd gen Toyota Supra turbo for a few years , I can tell you oversteer can scare the bejeezus out of anybody if you 're not expecting it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For novice(meaning average) drivers, understeer is far more predictable and manageable then oversteer.
After driving a 3rd gen Toyota Supra turbo for a few years, I can tell you oversteer can scare the bejeezus out of anybody if you're not expecting it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504984</id>
	<title>How many great brands must Ford and GM Destroy?</title>
	<author>Solo-Malee</author>
	<datestamp>1261333500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I for one hope that SAAB can move into some caring hands that will allow the company to thrive and innovate as it did in the earlier half of it's life. The death of Saab I think started once GM had it's dirty incompetent hands on it. The demise was signalled after the 900, when they started to become just another Eurobox built on the same chassis as every other boring old Eurobox, shared floor plan shared engines...etc.

I once owned a 1974 SAAB 96, it was the most quirky car I ever owned, column shift, freewheel built in to the transmission, a Ford V4 engine. No transmission tunnel, a boot you could sleep inside, all finished in Sh1t Brown, but I loved it, until it caught fire due to my own stupid tuning attempts. The 99 Turbo and the 99 EMS were ground breaking cars in their day, and for a while unbeatable on the rally circuit.

I hope Spyker can resucitate the brand, before someone else has to bring the badge back from the dead.

Solo</htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one hope that SAAB can move into some caring hands that will allow the company to thrive and innovate as it did in the earlier half of it 's life .
The death of Saab I think started once GM had it 's dirty incompetent hands on it .
The demise was signalled after the 900 , when they started to become just another Eurobox built on the same chassis as every other boring old Eurobox , shared floor plan shared engines...etc .
I once owned a 1974 SAAB 96 , it was the most quirky car I ever owned , column shift , freewheel built in to the transmission , a Ford V4 engine .
No transmission tunnel , a boot you could sleep inside , all finished in Sh1t Brown , but I loved it , until it caught fire due to my own stupid tuning attempts .
The 99 Turbo and the 99 EMS were ground breaking cars in their day , and for a while unbeatable on the rally circuit .
I hope Spyker can resucitate the brand , before someone else has to bring the badge back from the dead .
Solo</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one hope that SAAB can move into some caring hands that will allow the company to thrive and innovate as it did in the earlier half of it's life.
The death of Saab I think started once GM had it's dirty incompetent hands on it.
The demise was signalled after the 900, when they started to become just another Eurobox built on the same chassis as every other boring old Eurobox, shared floor plan shared engines...etc.
I once owned a 1974 SAAB 96, it was the most quirky car I ever owned, column shift, freewheel built in to the transmission, a Ford V4 engine.
No transmission tunnel, a boot you could sleep inside, all finished in Sh1t Brown, but I loved it, until it caught fire due to my own stupid tuning attempts.
The 99 Turbo and the 99 EMS were ground breaking cars in their day, and for a while unbeatable on the rally circuit.
I hope Spyker can resucitate the brand, before someone else has to bring the badge back from the dead.
Solo</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30506590</id>
	<title>Born From Jets.</title>
	<author>FiloEleven</author>
	<datestamp>1261303620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stupidest auto slogan ever.  I thought it was a joke ad the first time I saw it, but no...that's their tag line.</p><p>Subaru is trying to outdo them now with "Love...it's what makes a Subaru, a Subaru."</p><p>*shudder*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stupidest auto slogan ever .
I thought it was a joke ad the first time I saw it , but no...that 's their tag line.Subaru is trying to outdo them now with " Love...it 's what makes a Subaru , a Subaru .
" * shudder *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stupidest auto slogan ever.
I thought it was a joke ad the first time I saw it, but no...that's their tag line.Subaru is trying to outdo them now with "Love...it's what makes a Subaru, a Subaru.
"*shudder*</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30510994</id>
	<title>re: porsche 911 \_understeer\_?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261402560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>maybe in the bizarro universe...or in reverse;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>maybe in the bizarro universe...or in reverse ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>maybe in the bizarro universe...or in reverse;-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503862</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30507144</id>
	<title>Re:numb driving experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261308300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't buy it, at least not entirely. Cars are cultural.</p><p>Canadians are very close to Americans culturally, and drive even more than their southern cousins, yet they drive smaller, lower-suspension cars than Americans (but still mostly automatics), and more diesels.  This is not just because of higher fuel taxes (approx $1/gallon). I believe that Canadians' car choices would be closer to Europeans if they were given the choice - which they're not, because car makers won't import a model to Canada unless it will sell well in the US.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't buy it , at least not entirely .
Cars are cultural.Canadians are very close to Americans culturally , and drive even more than their southern cousins , yet they drive smaller , lower-suspension cars than Americans ( but still mostly automatics ) , and more diesels .
This is not just because of higher fuel taxes ( approx $ 1/gallon ) .
I believe that Canadians ' car choices would be closer to Europeans if they were given the choice - which they 're not , because car makers wo n't import a model to Canada unless it will sell well in the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't buy it, at least not entirely.
Cars are cultural.Canadians are very close to Americans culturally, and drive even more than their southern cousins, yet they drive smaller, lower-suspension cars than Americans (but still mostly automatics), and more diesels.
This is not just because of higher fuel taxes (approx $1/gallon).
I believe that Canadians' car choices would be closer to Europeans if they were given the choice - which they're not, because car makers won't import a model to Canada unless it will sell well in the US.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505432</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30508212</id>
	<title>Re:Eh, you give the answer. Food</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261320840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's good to see that bigotry is alive and well on slashdot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's good to see that bigotry is alive and well on slashdot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's good to see that bigotry is alive and well on slashdot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504008</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504912</id>
	<title>Re:numb driving experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261332960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>But what is it with Americans preferring numb cars that totally insulate them from what the car is doing?</i> </p><p>It started as a trend in the post war period as Americans migrated to the car dependent suburbs.  There was a big push from Detroit to make smooth (numb suspension) and easy to drive (automatics) appliance automobiles.  Unfortunately the cars that  'worked' for the American suburbs were usually absurd for everywhere else including American cities.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But what is it with Americans preferring numb cars that totally insulate them from what the car is doing ?
It started as a trend in the post war period as Americans migrated to the car dependent suburbs .
There was a big push from Detroit to make smooth ( numb suspension ) and easy to drive ( automatics ) appliance automobiles .
Unfortunately the cars that 'worked ' for the American suburbs were usually absurd for everywhere else including American cities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But what is it with Americans preferring numb cars that totally insulate them from what the car is doing?
It started as a trend in the post war period as Americans migrated to the car dependent suburbs.
There was a big push from Detroit to make smooth (numb suspension) and easy to drive (automatics) appliance automobiles.
Unfortunately the cars that  'worked' for the American suburbs were usually absurd for everywhere else including American cities.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503494</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30506028</id>
	<title>Not Dead Yet!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261341900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BBC is reporting a new offer by Spyker.<br><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8423363.stm" title="bbc.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8423363.stm</a> [bbc.co.uk]</p><p>Silly NYT, don't they know to check Netcraft?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BBC is reporting a new offer by Spyker.http : //news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8423363.stm [ bbc.co.uk ] Silly NYT , do n't they know to check Netcraft ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BBC is reporting a new offer by Spyker.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8423363.stm [bbc.co.uk]Silly NYT, don't they know to check Netcraft?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504108</id>
	<title>Re:numb driving experience</title>
	<author>bhtooefr</author>
	<datestamp>1261326900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Quite a lot of roads in the US are poor quality, and straight.</p><p>So, you don't care about handling, and you want something that soaks up the bumps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Quite a lot of roads in the US are poor quality , and straight.So , you do n't care about handling , and you want something that soaks up the bumps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quite a lot of roads in the US are poor quality, and straight.So, you don't care about handling, and you want something that soaks up the bumps.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503494</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30512922</id>
	<title>Re:numb driving experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261415400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you comparing this to a 1993 pontiac bonneville or a 2009 Corvette? Very different purposes for all cars involved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you comparing this to a 1993 pontiac bonneville or a 2009 Corvette ?
Very different purposes for all cars involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you comparing this to a 1993 pontiac bonneville or a 2009 Corvette?
Very different purposes for all cars involved.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503494</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30508392</id>
	<title>What a crap</title>
	<author>Werrismys</author>
	<datestamp>1261323000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The fact that after 341 replys I found no matches for "saabists" or "homos" or "cheapshots" tells its grim tale.

From a Finnish perspective, totally objective!

SAAB cost more than Datsuns and other japs in the early 80s in Finland. They were bought by homos with attitude problems, who could not afford a BMW or a Mercedes-Benz. So they assholed their merry way around our highways, feeling superior, driving their gay swedish abominations.

Owning a SAAB mean "I HAVE MONEY" or "LOOK HONEY; I DRIVE LIKE A DRUNKEN GAY TURKEY", usually both.

Fuck you, SAAB, and good riddance.

SAAB did one interesting post-war jet fighter, the Tunnan (wikipedia for it). SAAB dying is an end of an era - twilight of a socialdemocratic nation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact that after 341 replys I found no matches for " saabists " or " homos " or " cheapshots " tells its grim tale .
From a Finnish perspective , totally objective !
SAAB cost more than Datsuns and other japs in the early 80s in Finland .
They were bought by homos with attitude problems , who could not afford a BMW or a Mercedes-Benz .
So they assholed their merry way around our highways , feeling superior , driving their gay swedish abominations .
Owning a SAAB mean " I HAVE MONEY " or " LOOK HONEY ; I DRIVE LIKE A DRUNKEN GAY TURKEY " , usually both .
Fuck you , SAAB , and good riddance .
SAAB did one interesting post-war jet fighter , the Tunnan ( wikipedia for it ) .
SAAB dying is an end of an era - twilight of a socialdemocratic nation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact that after 341 replys I found no matches for "saabists" or "homos" or "cheapshots" tells its grim tale.
From a Finnish perspective, totally objective!
SAAB cost more than Datsuns and other japs in the early 80s in Finland.
They were bought by homos with attitude problems, who could not afford a BMW or a Mercedes-Benz.
So they assholed their merry way around our highways, feeling superior, driving their gay swedish abominations.
Owning a SAAB mean "I HAVE MONEY" or "LOOK HONEY; I DRIVE LIKE A DRUNKEN GAY TURKEY", usually both.
Fuck you, SAAB, and good riddance.
SAAB did one interesting post-war jet fighter, the Tunnan (wikipedia for it).
SAAB dying is an end of an era - twilight of a socialdemocratic nation.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504198</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261327800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let me pile on here.  Especially about the NG900, though 9000s deserve special mention for traction controls and $700 fuel pumps.</p><p>So Saabs are examples of superior engineering?  How do you change the serpentine belt on an NG900? Take off the right front wheel first?  remove the inner right front fender? Pus.  DIC?  Ball joints?  Nothing is easy on these cars.  NOTHING.  Even the ignition switches fail. The leather is substandard.  Self-adjusting clutch cable.  Oh, and the hydraulic upgrade.  My wife's '98 900STE Convertible is such a damned joy to work on.  I can't wait to get in and fix the tonneau drive and get the windows aligned again so the wind noise is bearable.  And of course I will soon find a decent manual transmission to resolve the blown 2nd gear synchros.  It will be slightly easier to change the tranny than it is to change a main engine on the Shuttle.  Yes, the key step is pulling the engine out by dropping out the subframe.  The shift lever is like stirring warm butter with a straw.  OMFG.  I almost miss that old '93 900 she had.</p><p>You have to undo the friggin front underguard to get at anything the least important on the front of the engine, like radiator hoses.  The ACC depends on this little muffin fan in the dash to get temperature, and of course like any muffin fan about 1/2" square, it fails predictably.  Switches fail.  Foglamp lenses are brittle.  Let's not get started on the front end in general on the convertible, where Saab's reputation as a driver's car failed, under GM's influence I'm sure.</p><p>Oh, and the Swedish understood that you do not, in fact, have any genuine need for a cupholder.  If you absolutely need one, they will graft one on in the most uncomfortable place, so you can knock your drink out with your right elbow at the most inopportune moment.</p><p>And God help me, I do live to drive it.  The turbo takes you from 60 to 100 effortlessly.  It will go forever, if you can afford it.  And there's just something about a Saab driver that keeps people from assuming anything else about you, except stubbornness.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me pile on here .
Especially about the NG900 , though 9000s deserve special mention for traction controls and $ 700 fuel pumps.So Saabs are examples of superior engineering ?
How do you change the serpentine belt on an NG900 ?
Take off the right front wheel first ?
remove the inner right front fender ?
Pus. DIC ?
Ball joints ?
Nothing is easy on these cars .
NOTHING. Even the ignition switches fail .
The leather is substandard .
Self-adjusting clutch cable .
Oh , and the hydraulic upgrade .
My wife 's '98 900STE Convertible is such a damned joy to work on .
I ca n't wait to get in and fix the tonneau drive and get the windows aligned again so the wind noise is bearable .
And of course I will soon find a decent manual transmission to resolve the blown 2nd gear synchros .
It will be slightly easier to change the tranny than it is to change a main engine on the Shuttle .
Yes , the key step is pulling the engine out by dropping out the subframe .
The shift lever is like stirring warm butter with a straw .
OMFG. I almost miss that old '93 900 she had.You have to undo the friggin front underguard to get at anything the least important on the front of the engine , like radiator hoses .
The ACC depends on this little muffin fan in the dash to get temperature , and of course like any muffin fan about 1/2 " square , it fails predictably .
Switches fail .
Foglamp lenses are brittle .
Let 's not get started on the front end in general on the convertible , where Saab 's reputation as a driver 's car failed , under GM 's influence I 'm sure.Oh , and the Swedish understood that you do not , in fact , have any genuine need for a cupholder .
If you absolutely need one , they will graft one on in the most uncomfortable place , so you can knock your drink out with your right elbow at the most inopportune moment.And God help me , I do live to drive it .
The turbo takes you from 60 to 100 effortlessly .
It will go forever , if you can afford it .
And there 's just something about a Saab driver that keeps people from assuming anything else about you , except stubbornness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me pile on here.
Especially about the NG900, though 9000s deserve special mention for traction controls and $700 fuel pumps.So Saabs are examples of superior engineering?
How do you change the serpentine belt on an NG900?
Take off the right front wheel first?
remove the inner right front fender?
Pus.  DIC?
Ball joints?
Nothing is easy on these cars.
NOTHING.  Even the ignition switches fail.
The leather is substandard.
Self-adjusting clutch cable.
Oh, and the hydraulic upgrade.
My wife's '98 900STE Convertible is such a damned joy to work on.
I can't wait to get in and fix the tonneau drive and get the windows aligned again so the wind noise is bearable.
And of course I will soon find a decent manual transmission to resolve the blown 2nd gear synchros.
It will be slightly easier to change the tranny than it is to change a main engine on the Shuttle.
Yes, the key step is pulling the engine out by dropping out the subframe.
The shift lever is like stirring warm butter with a straw.
OMFG.  I almost miss that old '93 900 she had.You have to undo the friggin front underguard to get at anything the least important on the front of the engine, like radiator hoses.
The ACC depends on this little muffin fan in the dash to get temperature, and of course like any muffin fan about 1/2" square, it fails predictably.
Switches fail.
Foglamp lenses are brittle.
Let's not get started on the front end in general on the convertible, where Saab's reputation as a driver's car failed, under GM's influence I'm sure.Oh, and the Swedish understood that you do not, in fact, have any genuine need for a cupholder.
If you absolutely need one, they will graft one on in the most uncomfortable place, so you can knock your drink out with your right elbow at the most inopportune moment.And God help me, I do live to drive it.
The turbo takes you from 60 to 100 effortlessly.
It will go forever, if you can afford it.
And there's just something about a Saab driver that keeps people from assuming anything else about you, except stubbornness.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503610</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503712</id>
	<title>part of our family is dead</title>
	<author>spywhere</author>
	<datestamp>1261321920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>My mother's father was the second Saab dealer in North America.<br>
My father and I worked on every Saab in the southern half of our state from the '60s until 1980. My dad was known for converting '65-up models from the 3-cylinder engines to the later V4's, and he also did special effects for the one Bond film in which 007 drove a Saab. Saab offered to build a dealership for my father, but he was ready to retire... so they sold the franchise to a real loser, and stopped selling us parts.<br> <br>The Saab 96 was so far ahead of its time that nobody has yet caught up to it. It was the stiffest, strongest &amp; safest 2000-lb. car ever built.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My mother 's father was the second Saab dealer in North America .
My father and I worked on every Saab in the southern half of our state from the '60s until 1980 .
My dad was known for converting '65-up models from the 3-cylinder engines to the later V4 's , and he also did special effects for the one Bond film in which 007 drove a Saab .
Saab offered to build a dealership for my father , but he was ready to retire... so they sold the franchise to a real loser , and stopped selling us parts .
The Saab 96 was so far ahead of its time that nobody has yet caught up to it .
It was the stiffest , strongest &amp; safest 2000-lb .
car ever built .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My mother's father was the second Saab dealer in North America.
My father and I worked on every Saab in the southern half of our state from the '60s until 1980.
My dad was known for converting '65-up models from the 3-cylinder engines to the later V4's, and he also did special effects for the one Bond film in which 007 drove a Saab.
Saab offered to build a dealership for my father, but he was ready to retire... so they sold the franchise to a real loser, and stopped selling us parts.
The Saab 96 was so far ahead of its time that nobody has yet caught up to it.
It was the stiffest, strongest &amp; safest 2000-lb.
car ever built.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30508560</id>
	<title>Re:Speaking for myself as a Swedish brick driver,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261324740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Once the Americans get their grubby little hands on it and start to try to integrate it into their manufacturing and supply chain and QC practices, the car's gonna just be another Chevy.</p><p>Maybe you mean, "Once GM...etc."  Not sure you meant to denigrate a whole nation over the actions of one car company.  Or maybe you did.  Maybe why, on this side of the pond, they're called "Snobs"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Once the Americans get their grubby little hands on it and start to try to integrate it into their manufacturing and supply chain and QC practices , the car 's gon na just be another Chevy.Maybe you mean , " Once GM...etc .
" Not sure you meant to denigrate a whole nation over the actions of one car company .
Or maybe you did .
Maybe why , on this side of the pond , they 're called " Snobs "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Once the Americans get their grubby little hands on it and start to try to integrate it into their manufacturing and supply chain and QC practices, the car's gonna just be another Chevy.Maybe you mean, "Once GM...etc.
"  Not sure you meant to denigrate a whole nation over the actions of one car company.
Or maybe you did.
Maybe why, on this side of the pond, they're called "Snobs"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503502</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503740</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>RasputinAXP</author>
	<datestamp>1261322400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How about cold-rolled steel body frames with crumple zones, heated seats, the hatchback, how about a standard-production turbo? - the list goes on and on. They may not have invented each one of those items but stuck with the good stuff throughout. I am driving a '93 9000 with &gt;195k miles for a winter rat this year. That kind of mileage is not uncommon, in fact almost expected in a Saab. What companies can suggest that kind of longevity today?</p></div><p>Not to jump all over the Saabs, but my family of mid 80's through early 90s Volvos (an '85 240DL wagon, an '88 740 wagon and a '91 740 Turbo sedan) would beg to disagree. Crumple zones, safety cages, 3-point safety belts, childproof doors...Volvo.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about cold-rolled steel body frames with crumple zones , heated seats , the hatchback , how about a standard-production turbo ?
- the list goes on and on .
They may not have invented each one of those items but stuck with the good stuff throughout .
I am driving a '93 9000 with &gt; 195k miles for a winter rat this year .
That kind of mileage is not uncommon , in fact almost expected in a Saab .
What companies can suggest that kind of longevity today ? Not to jump all over the Saabs , but my family of mid 80 's through early 90s Volvos ( an '85 240DL wagon , an '88 740 wagon and a '91 740 Turbo sedan ) would beg to disagree .
Crumple zones , safety cages , 3-point safety belts , childproof doors...Volvo .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about cold-rolled steel body frames with crumple zones, heated seats, the hatchback, how about a standard-production turbo?
- the list goes on and on.
They may not have invented each one of those items but stuck with the good stuff throughout.
I am driving a '93 9000 with &gt;195k miles for a winter rat this year.
That kind of mileage is not uncommon, in fact almost expected in a Saab.
What companies can suggest that kind of longevity today?Not to jump all over the Saabs, but my family of mid 80's through early 90s Volvos (an '85 240DL wagon, an '88 740 wagon and a '91 740 Turbo sedan) would beg to disagree.
Crumple zones, safety cages, 3-point safety belts, childproof doors...Volvo.
:)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503610</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30506204</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>EastCoastSurfer</author>
	<datestamp>1261300080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I would be interested to see hard data on how far cars typically make it before dying for good. Not just individual cases.</p></div><p>It would still be hard to make valid comparisons without full service records.  Checking basic fluid levels and changing the oil can make a car last a long time or if neglected shorten its life.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would be interested to see hard data on how far cars typically make it before dying for good .
Not just individual cases.It would still be hard to make valid comparisons without full service records .
Checking basic fluid levels and changing the oil can make a car last a long time or if neglected shorten its life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would be interested to see hard data on how far cars typically make it before dying for good.
Not just individual cases.It would still be hard to make valid comparisons without full service records.
Checking basic fluid levels and changing the oil can make a car last a long time or if neglected shorten its life.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30506312</id>
	<title>Re:Eh, you give the answer. Food</title>
	<author>modecx</author>
	<datestamp>1261301040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>There is a reason every famous car comes from europe.</i></p><p>Of course you would say that as an European--all you've ever seen are European &amp; Asian cars. I've seen a lot of cars from a lot of all over, and America has about 5 memorable cars to every memorable European car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a reason every famous car comes from europe.Of course you would say that as an European--all you 've ever seen are European &amp; Asian cars .
I 've seen a lot of cars from a lot of all over , and America has about 5 memorable cars to every memorable European car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a reason every famous car comes from europe.Of course you would say that as an European--all you've ever seen are European &amp; Asian cars.
I've seen a lot of cars from a lot of all over, and America has about 5 memorable cars to every memorable European car.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504850</id>
	<title>Re:numb driving experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261332480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm an American and I despise big mushy
cars preferring small cars with suspensions
the tighter the better.  I have no idea what
others see in larger vehicles but, I'll just contribute
this little anecdote.  </p><p>

My brother drives a Buick Regal and prior
to that a Dodge Intrepid.  They were both, IMHO, utter
garbage, but he loves them.  I asked him
how he could actually drive such shit and he
said he likes the way they "float" on the freeway
 and that small cars are just unsafe "tin cans".
I think appreciating a small tight car requires
a slightly more sophisticated taste.  It's
easy and it appeals to more baser humans
proclivities to get into a big car and get
sucked in by the lazyboy style seats and the
veneer of luxury.  It's an instant gratification
thing.  It's not for me but I can see how some
people would like it.  And of course, there's the
more spacious cities that Americans drive in
so we driving big cars isn't the hassle that
it probably is in Europe.  And gas is cheaper, so on and so forth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm an American and I despise big mushy cars preferring small cars with suspensions the tighter the better .
I have no idea what others see in larger vehicles but , I 'll just contribute this little anecdote .
My brother drives a Buick Regal and prior to that a Dodge Intrepid .
They were both , IMHO , utter garbage , but he loves them .
I asked him how he could actually drive such shit and he said he likes the way they " float " on the freeway and that small cars are just unsafe " tin cans " .
I think appreciating a small tight car requires a slightly more sophisticated taste .
It 's easy and it appeals to more baser humans proclivities to get into a big car and get sucked in by the lazyboy style seats and the veneer of luxury .
It 's an instant gratification thing .
It 's not for me but I can see how some people would like it .
And of course , there 's the more spacious cities that Americans drive in so we driving big cars is n't the hassle that it probably is in Europe .
And gas is cheaper , so on and so forth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm an American and I despise big mushy
cars preferring small cars with suspensions
the tighter the better.
I have no idea what
others see in larger vehicles but, I'll just contribute
this little anecdote.
My brother drives a Buick Regal and prior
to that a Dodge Intrepid.
They were both, IMHO, utter
garbage, but he loves them.
I asked him
how he could actually drive such shit and he
said he likes the way they "float" on the freeway
 and that small cars are just unsafe "tin cans".
I think appreciating a small tight car requires
a slightly more sophisticated taste.
It's
easy and it appeals to more baser humans
proclivities to get into a big car and get
sucked in by the lazyboy style seats and the
veneer of luxury.
It's an instant gratification
thing.
It's not for me but I can see how some
people would like it.
And of course, there's the
more spacious cities that Americans drive in
so we driving big cars isn't the hassle that
it probably is in Europe.
And gas is cheaper, so on and so forth.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503540</id>
	<title>SUBARU</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261320060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>YAZZZ!!  SUBARU PWNS J00!  East coast snow aint no nuthing plow tru that in ma wagon with my three toddlers and ma lezbian wife rawr!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>YAZZZ ! !
SUBARU PWNS J00 !
East coast snow aint no nuthing plow tru that in ma wagon with my three toddlers and ma lezbian wife rawr !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>YAZZZ!!
SUBARU PWNS J00!
East coast snow aint no nuthing plow tru that in ma wagon with my three toddlers and ma lezbian wife rawr!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30514044</id>
	<title>Close...</title>
	<author>BancBoy</author>
	<datestamp>1261420200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You would encounter the same problem if Ford had re-badged the Mazda RX-8 as a "Mustang".
</p></div><p>
How about if they had rebadged a Ford as a Jaguar? Oh wait...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You would encounter the same problem if Ford had re-badged the Mazda RX-8 as a " Mustang " .
How about if they had rebadged a Ford as a Jaguar ?
Oh wait.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You would encounter the same problem if Ford had re-badged the Mazda RX-8 as a "Mustang".
How about if they had rebadged a Ford as a Jaguar?
Oh wait...
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505250</id>
	<title>Re:Near-Death Experience of Saab</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261335420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I drive a Subaru.  And it's a damn good car, well above merely "acceptable".  In fact, it's outlasted every american car I ever owned. put together. and then some.  And they seem to trade with Nissan for third and fourth place behind Honda and Toyota trading for one and two every time Consumer Reports does a quality and reliability rating.</p><p>Of course, it is heartening to see that they have shed the GM albatross from their neck.  But there are quite a lot of much worse cars in the GM lineup that *could* have been re-badged as a Saab.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I drive a Subaru .
And it 's a damn good car , well above merely " acceptable " .
In fact , it 's outlasted every american car I ever owned .
put together .
and then some .
And they seem to trade with Nissan for third and fourth place behind Honda and Toyota trading for one and two every time Consumer Reports does a quality and reliability rating.Of course , it is heartening to see that they have shed the GM albatross from their neck .
But there are quite a lot of much worse cars in the GM lineup that * could * have been re-badged as a Saab .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I drive a Subaru.
And it's a damn good car, well above merely "acceptable".
In fact, it's outlasted every american car I ever owned.
put together.
and then some.
And they seem to trade with Nissan for third and fourth place behind Honda and Toyota trading for one and two every time Consumer Reports does a quality and reliability rating.Of course, it is heartening to see that they have shed the GM albatross from their neck.
But there are quite a lot of much worse cars in the GM lineup that *could* have been re-badged as a Saab.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503486</id>
	<title>New bid..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261319580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It was GM themselves that turned down the offer from Spyker - seemingly a company that is in financial difficulty doesnt need the money. The timing of the decision speaks volumes as well.</p><p>the latest news is that there is another bid as of today from Spyker, so the nail isnt quite in the coffin just yet.</p><p>http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article6321526.ab</p><p>GM has woefully mismanaged SAAB, played accounting games and not used the company in the way it should.</p><p>SAAB has come up with fantastic technology over the years especially around safety, I think the engineers there have alot to offer in the future for environmental cars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was GM themselves that turned down the offer from Spyker - seemingly a company that is in financial difficulty doesnt need the money .
The timing of the decision speaks volumes as well.the latest news is that there is another bid as of today from Spyker , so the nail isnt quite in the coffin just yet.http : //www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article6321526.abGM has woefully mismanaged SAAB , played accounting games and not used the company in the way it should.SAAB has come up with fantastic technology over the years especially around safety , I think the engineers there have alot to offer in the future for environmental cars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was GM themselves that turned down the offer from Spyker - seemingly a company that is in financial difficulty doesnt need the money.
The timing of the decision speaks volumes as well.the latest news is that there is another bid as of today from Spyker, so the nail isnt quite in the coffin just yet.http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article6321526.abGM has woefully mismanaged SAAB, played accounting games and not used the company in the way it should.SAAB has come up with fantastic technology over the years especially around safety, I think the engineers there have alot to offer in the future for environmental cars.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30510692</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261398480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There were no special parts required for brake pad replacement, just a simple tool to rotate the piston which is quite common these days (see VW for instance.)</p></div><p>Sorry, I meant <em>tool</em>. Because Saab integrated the emergency/parking brakes into the front brakes on the Saab 900 (a horrible, <em>terrible</em> mistake) and used an unusually fucked up floating caliper design, it has literally the most difficult-to-service disc brakes I have seen in my life. I would prefer to service drums.</p><p>You must be insane.  I've been a Saab owner for a long time and do all of my own work that doesn't need a hoist, including re-roadworthy for a write-off wreck.  The brakes are dead simple, a great design.  Easy to access and self adjusting.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There were no special parts required for brake pad replacement , just a simple tool to rotate the piston which is quite common these days ( see VW for instance .
) Sorry , I meant tool .
Because Saab integrated the emergency/parking brakes into the front brakes on the Saab 900 ( a horrible , terrible mistake ) and used an unusually fucked up floating caliper design , it has literally the most difficult-to-service disc brakes I have seen in my life .
I would prefer to service drums.You must be insane .
I 've been a Saab owner for a long time and do all of my own work that does n't need a hoist , including re-roadworthy for a write-off wreck .
The brakes are dead simple , a great design .
Easy to access and self adjusting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There were no special parts required for brake pad replacement, just a simple tool to rotate the piston which is quite common these days (see VW for instance.
)Sorry, I meant tool.
Because Saab integrated the emergency/parking brakes into the front brakes on the Saab 900 (a horrible, terrible mistake) and used an unusually fucked up floating caliper design, it has literally the most difficult-to-service disc brakes I have seen in my life.
I would prefer to service drums.You must be insane.
I've been a Saab owner for a long time and do all of my own work that doesn't need a hoist, including re-roadworthy for a write-off wreck.
The brakes are dead simple, a great design.
Easy to access and self adjusting.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30541814</id>
	<title>Missing the point</title>
	<author>frenchgates</author>
	<datestamp>1259776260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not the handling it's the whole package.  The 900/93 is an awesome everything car with huge cargo area, decent mileage and the feel of a luxury sports car.  What else offers that?</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not the handling it 's the whole package .
The 900/93 is an awesome everything car with huge cargo area , decent mileage and the feel of a luxury sports car .
What else offers that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not the handling it's the whole package.
The 900/93 is an awesome everything car with huge cargo area, decent mileage and the feel of a luxury sports car.
What else offers that?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504314</id>
	<title>Re:And why do I care?</title>
	<author>wjsteele</author>
	<datestamp>1261328700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>5 miles?  Really?  Perhaps you should do a little research.  The Fisker Karma is a hybrid vehicle.  In other words... IT RUNS ON GAS OR ELECTRIC!!!  It has a range of at least 300 miles.<br> <br>The Tesla Model S on the other hand has a base range of 160 miles (with optional upgrades to 230 and 300 miles) and charges to 80\% in 45 minutes.  A full charge from empty takes 6 hours.<br> <br>

Please do your research before you post nonsense comments... it just makes you look bad.<br> <br>Bill</htmltext>
<tokenext>5 miles ?
Really ? Perhaps you should do a little research .
The Fisker Karma is a hybrid vehicle .
In other words... IT RUNS ON GAS OR ELECTRIC ! ! !
It has a range of at least 300 miles .
The Tesla Model S on the other hand has a base range of 160 miles ( with optional upgrades to 230 and 300 miles ) and charges to 80 \ % in 45 minutes .
A full charge from empty takes 6 hours .
Please do your research before you post nonsense comments... it just makes you look bad .
Bill</tokentext>
<sentencetext>5 miles?
Really?  Perhaps you should do a little research.
The Fisker Karma is a hybrid vehicle.
In other words... IT RUNS ON GAS OR ELECTRIC!!!
It has a range of at least 300 miles.
The Tesla Model S on the other hand has a base range of 160 miles (with optional upgrades to 230 and 300 miles) and charges to 80\% in 45 minutes.
A full charge from empty takes 6 hours.
Please do your research before you post nonsense comments... it just makes you look bad.
Bill</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30509222</id>
	<title>GM's secret plan</title>
	<author>JBaustian</author>
	<datestamp>1261332480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>GM would like to sell the company, BUT... it wants to limit the technology transfer to the new owners AND it does not want the new company to compete against GM's other brands.<br><br>This is why the Saturn deal with Penske fell through, and why GM and Magna International eventually did not come to an agreement over Opel/Vauxhall.<br><br>GM wanted to sell Saturn and Saab, cash the checks, then turn around and destroy the companies so it could sell more Chevrolets and Buicks. Koeniggsegg and Penske figured this out in time, I am not sure of Spyker really understands what is going on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>GM would like to sell the company , BUT... it wants to limit the technology transfer to the new owners AND it does not want the new company to compete against GM 's other brands.This is why the Saturn deal with Penske fell through , and why GM and Magna International eventually did not come to an agreement over Opel/Vauxhall.GM wanted to sell Saturn and Saab , cash the checks , then turn around and destroy the companies so it could sell more Chevrolets and Buicks .
Koeniggsegg and Penske figured this out in time , I am not sure of Spyker really understands what is going on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GM would like to sell the company, BUT... it wants to limit the technology transfer to the new owners AND it does not want the new company to compete against GM's other brands.This is why the Saturn deal with Penske fell through, and why GM and Magna International eventually did not come to an agreement over Opel/Vauxhall.GM wanted to sell Saturn and Saab, cash the checks, then turn around and destroy the companies so it could sell more Chevrolets and Buicks.
Koeniggsegg and Penske figured this out in time, I am not sure of Spyker really understands what is going on.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30507614</id>
	<title>Re:And why do I care?</title>
	<author>cvtan</author>
	<datestamp>1261312920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I checked out the Fisker web site.  Did you know that the windows in the Fisker are made from sand and can be recycled?  Golly.  No wonder it's so expensive.
One problem I see (assuming that you have to finance it).  I'm guessing many banks will not finance a car like this.  In 2005 when I bought my MINI Cooper S, Eastman Savings and Loan (Kodak's bank) would not finance even 50\% of the car's purchase price.  The reason?  It is too "exotic" (their words).  Sigh.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I checked out the Fisker web site .
Did you know that the windows in the Fisker are made from sand and can be recycled ?
Golly. No wonder it 's so expensive .
One problem I see ( assuming that you have to finance it ) .
I 'm guessing many banks will not finance a car like this .
In 2005 when I bought my MINI Cooper S , Eastman Savings and Loan ( Kodak 's bank ) would not finance even 50 \ % of the car 's purchase price .
The reason ?
It is too " exotic " ( their words ) .
Sigh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I checked out the Fisker web site.
Did you know that the windows in the Fisker are made from sand and can be recycled?
Golly.  No wonder it's so expensive.
One problem I see (assuming that you have to finance it).
I'm guessing many banks will not finance a car like this.
In 2005 when I bought my MINI Cooper S, Eastman Savings and Loan (Kodak's bank) would not finance even 50\% of the car's purchase price.
The reason?
It is too "exotic" (their words).
Sigh.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30507720</id>
	<title>Re:numb driving experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261314300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In the US everybody is a driver, even if they'd rather not be &mdash; and so there is a much bigger bias towards comfort over excitement.</p><p>Even for enthusiasts, if you spend 90 minutes in your car every day (45 minutes each way to work and home), for example, you'll value certain features, that you wouldn't care for, if you drove for 90 minutes a week.</p></div><p>In the US, everybody is a driver, yet astoundingly few people are skilled drivers. Most drive as if they expect the car to make the decisions for them -- they just happen to be sitting behind the steering wheel, which is a bummer since it's a lot harder to eat that triple cheeseburger and catch up on their texting.</p><p>Someday, technology will eliminate the tradeoff between control and comfort. In the meantime, I prefer a manual transmission and responsive suspension because they allow me to interact more effectively with the outside environment. In fact, they require me to interact -- a good thing when all that stands between me (and my passengers) and a body bag is a thin layer of aluminum and a reaction time measured in fractions of a second.</p><p>Driving is an inherently dangerous activity; it is physically and mentally challenging, and it requires constant, intense concentration to do it safely. As long as "comfort" encourages drivers to ignore this fact, and as long as driver "education" in this country remains a grade-school joke, we'll just keep scraping tens of thousands of innocent people into body bags every year.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the US everybody is a driver , even if they 'd rather not be    and so there is a much bigger bias towards comfort over excitement.Even for enthusiasts , if you spend 90 minutes in your car every day ( 45 minutes each way to work and home ) , for example , you 'll value certain features , that you would n't care for , if you drove for 90 minutes a week.In the US , everybody is a driver , yet astoundingly few people are skilled drivers .
Most drive as if they expect the car to make the decisions for them -- they just happen to be sitting behind the steering wheel , which is a bummer since it 's a lot harder to eat that triple cheeseburger and catch up on their texting.Someday , technology will eliminate the tradeoff between control and comfort .
In the meantime , I prefer a manual transmission and responsive suspension because they allow me to interact more effectively with the outside environment .
In fact , they require me to interact -- a good thing when all that stands between me ( and my passengers ) and a body bag is a thin layer of aluminum and a reaction time measured in fractions of a second.Driving is an inherently dangerous activity ; it is physically and mentally challenging , and it requires constant , intense concentration to do it safely .
As long as " comfort " encourages drivers to ignore this fact , and as long as driver " education " in this country remains a grade-school joke , we 'll just keep scraping tens of thousands of innocent people into body bags every year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the US everybody is a driver, even if they'd rather not be — and so there is a much bigger bias towards comfort over excitement.Even for enthusiasts, if you spend 90 minutes in your car every day (45 minutes each way to work and home), for example, you'll value certain features, that you wouldn't care for, if you drove for 90 minutes a week.In the US, everybody is a driver, yet astoundingly few people are skilled drivers.
Most drive as if they expect the car to make the decisions for them -- they just happen to be sitting behind the steering wheel, which is a bummer since it's a lot harder to eat that triple cheeseburger and catch up on their texting.Someday, technology will eliminate the tradeoff between control and comfort.
In the meantime, I prefer a manual transmission and responsive suspension because they allow me to interact more effectively with the outside environment.
In fact, they require me to interact -- a good thing when all that stands between me (and my passengers) and a body bag is a thin layer of aluminum and a reaction time measured in fractions of a second.Driving is an inherently dangerous activity; it is physically and mentally challenging, and it requires constant, intense concentration to do it safely.
As long as "comfort" encourages drivers to ignore this fact, and as long as driver "education" in this country remains a grade-school joke, we'll just keep scraping tens of thousands of innocent people into body bags every year.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504428</id>
	<title>SAAB - some lemons</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261329420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A good friend bought a new SAAB in 1989.  Over the next year, it spent more time in the dealer's shop than on the road. My friend had to sue the company under lemon laws of our state to get his money back. The company tried to fight it rather than settle over what was clearly a lemon vehicle.</p><p>Then he bought an Acura.</p><p>This is a single story when thousands of vehicles are certainly performing as intended with happy owners. It could have just been this particular SAAB dealer that wanted to fight too. I don't know the details.</p><p>I've had issues with a Ford - nowhere near the same level, just a deep clunk with every shift that couldn't be fixed after taking a new vehicle to the dealer 5+ times.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A good friend bought a new SAAB in 1989 .
Over the next year , it spent more time in the dealer 's shop than on the road .
My friend had to sue the company under lemon laws of our state to get his money back .
The company tried to fight it rather than settle over what was clearly a lemon vehicle.Then he bought an Acura.This is a single story when thousands of vehicles are certainly performing as intended with happy owners .
It could have just been this particular SAAB dealer that wanted to fight too .
I do n't know the details.I 've had issues with a Ford - nowhere near the same level , just a deep clunk with every shift that could n't be fixed after taking a new vehicle to the dealer 5 + times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A good friend bought a new SAAB in 1989.
Over the next year, it spent more time in the dealer's shop than on the road.
My friend had to sue the company under lemon laws of our state to get his money back.
The company tried to fight it rather than settle over what was clearly a lemon vehicle.Then he bought an Acura.This is a single story when thousands of vehicles are certainly performing as intended with happy owners.
It could have just been this particular SAAB dealer that wanted to fight too.
I don't know the details.I've had issues with a Ford - nowhere near the same level, just a deep clunk with every shift that couldn't be fixed after taking a new vehicle to the dealer 5+ times.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30508218</id>
	<title>Re:Before SAAB was bought up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261320900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Shit, I'm an American and I like European cars because they aren't designed for women or men with small dicks. I would never buy a new truck or car from GMC or Ford because I'm not a woman or an inadequate guy.  I like my cars to be conservative looking, not "sporty" or "aggressive." Marketers are retards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Shit , I 'm an American and I like European cars because they are n't designed for women or men with small dicks .
I would never buy a new truck or car from GMC or Ford because I 'm not a woman or an inadequate guy .
I like my cars to be conservative looking , not " sporty " or " aggressive .
" Marketers are retards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shit, I'm an American and I like European cars because they aren't designed for women or men with small dicks.
I would never buy a new truck or car from GMC or Ford because I'm not a woman or an inadequate guy.
I like my cars to be conservative looking, not "sporty" or "aggressive.
" Marketers are retards.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30506514</id>
	<title>lol American</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261302780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sweden = Swedish<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sweden = Swedish : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sweden = Swedish :-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503674</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1261321440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You are obviously not much of an engineer.</p></div><p>You're obviously not much of a driver.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Front-heavy front-wheel-drive cars had great traction in the snow.</p></div><p>Over about 60\% it all goes to hell.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The reverse-engine placement made a reliable and compact power-plant.</p></div><p>Reversing the engine did nothing to improve reliability or compactness.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>There were no special parts required for brake pad replacement, just a simple tool to rotate the piston which is quite common these days (see VW for instance.)</p></div><p>Sorry, I meant <em>tool</em>. Because Saab integrated the emergency/parking brakes into the front brakes on the Saab 900 (a horrible, <em>terrible</em> mistake) and used an unusually fucked up floating caliper design, it has literally the most difficult-to-service disc brakes I have seen in my life. I would prefer to service drums.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>This system has become more widely because of its superiority - the emergency brake uses disk brake pads and is integrated with the caliper, offering reliable and the best possible hand-brake.</p></div><p>Uh, what? The "emergency brake" on the Saab 900 <em>was</em> the front brakes; it was simply a cable-operated mechanism for engagement rather than hydraulic. On most vehicles I've owned, this functionality is integrated into the rear brakes, but you still don't need any special tool to push the pistons in, beyond a C-Clamp.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Such as the now-common front wheel drive arrangement Saab began using in 1948.</p></div><p>Predated in production autos by Audi, Citroen, and BSA. Try harder.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>How about cold-rolled steel body frames with crumple zones</p></div><p>What is a "body frame"?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>heated seats</p></div><p>You're fucking kidding, right? They didn't invent those either.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>the hatchback</p></div><p>Citroen, Holden, Austin, and even Aston-Martin have a better claim to invention of the hatchback, try even harder!</p><p><div class="quote"><p>how about a standard-production turbo?</p></div><p>Yet the first two production cars with a turbo model available from the factory were both Chevrolets.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I am driving a '93 9000 with &gt;195k miles for a winter rat this year. That kind of mileage is not uncommon, in fact almost expected in a Saab. What companies can suggest that kind of longevity today?</p></div><p>Saab can't, they're going under. Let's see how long the 200x Saabs last without warranty service, eh?</p></div>
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<tokenext>You are obviously not much of an engineer.You 're obviously not much of a driver.Front-heavy front-wheel-drive cars had great traction in the snow.Over about 60 \ % it all goes to hell.The reverse-engine placement made a reliable and compact power-plant.Reversing the engine did nothing to improve reliability or compactness.There were no special parts required for brake pad replacement , just a simple tool to rotate the piston which is quite common these days ( see VW for instance .
) Sorry , I meant tool .
Because Saab integrated the emergency/parking brakes into the front brakes on the Saab 900 ( a horrible , terrible mistake ) and used an unusually fucked up floating caliper design , it has literally the most difficult-to-service disc brakes I have seen in my life .
I would prefer to service drums.This system has become more widely because of its superiority - the emergency brake uses disk brake pads and is integrated with the caliper , offering reliable and the best possible hand-brake.Uh , what ?
The " emergency brake " on the Saab 900 was the front brakes ; it was simply a cable-operated mechanism for engagement rather than hydraulic .
On most vehicles I 've owned , this functionality is integrated into the rear brakes , but you still do n't need any special tool to push the pistons in , beyond a C-Clamp.Such as the now-common front wheel drive arrangement Saab began using in 1948.Predated in production autos by Audi , Citroen , and BSA .
Try harder.How about cold-rolled steel body frames with crumple zonesWhat is a " body frame " ? heated seatsYou 're fucking kidding , right ?
They did n't invent those either.the hatchbackCitroen , Holden , Austin , and even Aston-Martin have a better claim to invention of the hatchback , try even harder ! how about a standard-production turbo ? Yet the first two production cars with a turbo model available from the factory were both Chevrolets.I am driving a '93 9000 with &gt; 195k miles for a winter rat this year .
That kind of mileage is not uncommon , in fact almost expected in a Saab .
What companies can suggest that kind of longevity today ? Saab ca n't , they 're going under .
Let 's see how long the 200x Saabs last without warranty service , eh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are obviously not much of an engineer.You're obviously not much of a driver.Front-heavy front-wheel-drive cars had great traction in the snow.Over about 60\% it all goes to hell.The reverse-engine placement made a reliable and compact power-plant.Reversing the engine did nothing to improve reliability or compactness.There were no special parts required for brake pad replacement, just a simple tool to rotate the piston which is quite common these days (see VW for instance.
)Sorry, I meant tool.
Because Saab integrated the emergency/parking brakes into the front brakes on the Saab 900 (a horrible, terrible mistake) and used an unusually fucked up floating caliper design, it has literally the most difficult-to-service disc brakes I have seen in my life.
I would prefer to service drums.This system has become more widely because of its superiority - the emergency brake uses disk brake pads and is integrated with the caliper, offering reliable and the best possible hand-brake.Uh, what?
The "emergency brake" on the Saab 900 was the front brakes; it was simply a cable-operated mechanism for engagement rather than hydraulic.
On most vehicles I've owned, this functionality is integrated into the rear brakes, but you still don't need any special tool to push the pistons in, beyond a C-Clamp.Such as the now-common front wheel drive arrangement Saab began using in 1948.Predated in production autos by Audi, Citroen, and BSA.
Try harder.How about cold-rolled steel body frames with crumple zonesWhat is a "body frame"?heated seatsYou're fucking kidding, right?
They didn't invent those either.the hatchbackCitroen, Holden, Austin, and even Aston-Martin have a better claim to invention of the hatchback, try even harder!how about a standard-production turbo?Yet the first two production cars with a turbo model available from the factory were both Chevrolets.I am driving a '93 9000 with &gt;195k miles for a winter rat this year.
That kind of mileage is not uncommon, in fact almost expected in a Saab.
What companies can suggest that kind of longevity today?Saab can't, they're going under.
Let's see how long the 200x Saabs last without warranty service, eh?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30509150</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>gmhowell</author>
	<datestamp>1261331520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Understeer can happen in any vehicle with even weight distribution (mid-engine) or front-heavy design.  The famous Porsche 911 has massive understeer - big deal.</p></div><p>A rear engined 911 <b>under</b>steers? You don't know WTF you are talking about. Seriously. Take some public transportation or something. Use the time to learn what the big words mean that you are typing. Porsche 911 is the poster child for <b>over</b>steer, not understeer. When I <a href="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=911+understeer" title="lmgtfy.com">google that for you</a> [lmgtfy.com], it seems to me that most of the top ten results are expressing incredulity at a corner case of a modern 911 exhibiting this handling characteristic.</p><p>Your basic misunderstanding of a simple and well documented aspect of one of the more famous cars the world over leads me to believe that the rest of your post might just be garbage.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Understeer can happen in any vehicle with even weight distribution ( mid-engine ) or front-heavy design .
The famous Porsche 911 has massive understeer - big deal.A rear engined 911 understeers ?
You do n't know WTF you are talking about .
Seriously. Take some public transportation or something .
Use the time to learn what the big words mean that you are typing .
Porsche 911 is the poster child for oversteer , not understeer .
When I google that for you [ lmgtfy.com ] , it seems to me that most of the top ten results are expressing incredulity at a corner case of a modern 911 exhibiting this handling characteristic.Your basic misunderstanding of a simple and well documented aspect of one of the more famous cars the world over leads me to believe that the rest of your post might just be garbage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Understeer can happen in any vehicle with even weight distribution (mid-engine) or front-heavy design.
The famous Porsche 911 has massive understeer - big deal.A rear engined 911 understeers?
You don't know WTF you are talking about.
Seriously. Take some public transportation or something.
Use the time to learn what the big words mean that you are typing.
Porsche 911 is the poster child for oversteer, not understeer.
When I google that for you [lmgtfy.com], it seems to me that most of the top ten results are expressing incredulity at a corner case of a modern 911 exhibiting this handling characteristic.Your basic misunderstanding of a simple and well documented aspect of one of the more famous cars the world over leads me to believe that the rest of your post might just be garbage.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503698</id>
	<title>Re:Two questions from ignorance</title>
	<author>maestroX</author>
	<datestamp>1261321740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Among other cars, I've owned Saabs from the 80s. Till the 80s, Saab delivered innovation, comfort, ergonomics and durability. At a price though, because comparable cars (i.e. Volvo's, BMW 5 series) were cheaper and in some respects, better; I think this is the major reason for decline in sales until 1989 en the sell-out to GM in 1989.
<br>
<br>
IMO Saab is dead since 1989. The innovation, comfort and ergonomics just  didn't improve at the rate competitors did,
and seemed bad rehashes of existing stuff; the 9-7x was a Subaru, 9-5 refurbished 9000, 9-3 refurbished 900 and later Aero's just muscle versions instead of special versions. I miss the Saab touch of the 70s and 80s
<br>
<br>
Competition learned and moved beyond (just look at Audi); the common 2L engine has seen very little improvements over the last decade, despite efforts towards bio-ethanol etc.
<br>
Too bad, I haven't experienced car seats as good since I owned a 9000 and worse were available in later models.
<br>
I'm still fond of the 96,99 and 900's and black sheep 9000 which were special in their days. After that, nothing really special setting it apart from the competition.
<br>
Thanks Saab for the fond memories, money well spent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Among other cars , I 've owned Saabs from the 80s .
Till the 80s , Saab delivered innovation , comfort , ergonomics and durability .
At a price though , because comparable cars ( i.e .
Volvo 's , BMW 5 series ) were cheaper and in some respects , better ; I think this is the major reason for decline in sales until 1989 en the sell-out to GM in 1989 .
IMO Saab is dead since 1989 .
The innovation , comfort and ergonomics just did n't improve at the rate competitors did , and seemed bad rehashes of existing stuff ; the 9-7x was a Subaru , 9-5 refurbished 9000 , 9-3 refurbished 900 and later Aero 's just muscle versions instead of special versions .
I miss the Saab touch of the 70s and 80s Competition learned and moved beyond ( just look at Audi ) ; the common 2L engine has seen very little improvements over the last decade , despite efforts towards bio-ethanol etc .
Too bad , I have n't experienced car seats as good since I owned a 9000 and worse were available in later models .
I 'm still fond of the 96,99 and 900 's and black sheep 9000 which were special in their days .
After that , nothing really special setting it apart from the competition .
Thanks Saab for the fond memories , money well spent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Among other cars, I've owned Saabs from the 80s.
Till the 80s, Saab delivered innovation, comfort, ergonomics and durability.
At a price though, because comparable cars (i.e.
Volvo's, BMW 5 series) were cheaper and in some respects, better; I think this is the major reason for decline in sales until 1989 en the sell-out to GM in 1989.
IMO Saab is dead since 1989.
The innovation, comfort and ergonomics just  didn't improve at the rate competitors did,
and seemed bad rehashes of existing stuff; the 9-7x was a Subaru, 9-5 refurbished 9000, 9-3 refurbished 900 and later Aero's just muscle versions instead of special versions.
I miss the Saab touch of the 70s and 80s


Competition learned and moved beyond (just look at Audi); the common 2L engine has seen very little improvements over the last decade, despite efforts towards bio-ethanol etc.
Too bad, I haven't experienced car seats as good since I owned a 9000 and worse were available in later models.
I'm still fond of the 96,99 and 900's and black sheep 9000 which were special in their days.
After that, nothing really special setting it apart from the competition.
Thanks Saab for the fond memories, money well spent.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503420</id>
	<title>I guess you could call it a ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261318380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Saab Story.</p><p>*rimshot*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Saab Story .
* rimshot *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Saab Story.
*rimshot*</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30506600</id>
	<title>SAAB stands for mediocracy...</title>
	<author>CrAlt</author>
	<datestamp>1261303680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Collapsible steering column is something special in the 1980s? Sorry.. Invented by mercades in 1959 and standard in the "big 3" by 1968/69.<br>Saab EFI? Again.. nothing special. It was a Bosch Jetronic system.. found in many VW's, MB's, Fords, BMW's, Volvo's of the time..<br>composite headlights? Even the Mustang had them by '88. The only reason sealed beam stuck around so long in the USA was because of the dumb ass DOT.</p><p>So what great advances did SAAB come up with? Oh ya.. the key in the console and big buttons... you got me there<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Collapsible steering column is something special in the 1980s ?
Sorry.. Invented by mercades in 1959 and standard in the " big 3 " by 1968/69.Saab EFI ?
Again.. nothing special .
It was a Bosch Jetronic system.. found in many VW 's , MB 's , Fords , BMW 's , Volvo 's of the time..composite headlights ?
Even the Mustang had them by '88 .
The only reason sealed beam stuck around so long in the USA was because of the dumb ass DOT.So what great advances did SAAB come up with ?
Oh ya.. the key in the console and big buttons... you got me there : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Collapsible steering column is something special in the 1980s?
Sorry.. Invented by mercades in 1959 and standard in the "big 3" by 1968/69.Saab EFI?
Again.. nothing special.
It was a Bosch Jetronic system.. found in many VW's, MB's, Fords, BMW's, Volvo's of the time..composite headlights?
Even the Mustang had them by '88.
The only reason sealed beam stuck around so long in the USA was because of the dumb ass DOT.So what great advances did SAAB come up with?
Oh ya.. the key in the console and big buttons... you got me there :P</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503736</id>
	<title>Re:Victim of its own success (sorta)</title>
	<author>wagr</author>
	<datestamp>1261322340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And when they started putting not-quite-right GM parts in them, they destroyed their reliability.  Or maybe it was an attempt to bring the traditional 250k mileage cars back down to a respectable 80k.  A GM 6-cylinder engine in a Saab<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... how rude!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And when they started putting not-quite-right GM parts in them , they destroyed their reliability .
Or maybe it was an attempt to bring the traditional 250k mileage cars back down to a respectable 80k .
A GM 6-cylinder engine in a Saab ... how rude !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And when they started putting not-quite-right GM parts in them, they destroyed their reliability.
Or maybe it was an attempt to bring the traditional 250k mileage cars back down to a respectable 80k.
A GM 6-cylinder engine in a Saab ... how rude!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505146</id>
	<title>Re:part of our family is dead</title>
	<author>cynyr</author>
	<datestamp>1261334820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>can is have the "stiffest, strongest, and safest" 1500lb car?(really less than 1000 or 500) why do i need 1 ton of car to move 200lb me? even if i assume that i 2x the car mass as people mass, taking 4 guys(@~200lb each) I really only need a 1600lb car then.</htmltext>
<tokenext>can is have the " stiffest , strongest , and safest " 1500lb car ?
( really less than 1000 or 500 ) why do i need 1 ton of car to move 200lb me ?
even if i assume that i 2x the car mass as people mass , taking 4 guys ( @ ~ 200lb each ) I really only need a 1600lb car then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>can is have the "stiffest, strongest, and safest" 1500lb car?
(really less than 1000 or 500) why do i need 1 ton of car to move 200lb me?
even if i assume that i 2x the car mass as people mass, taking 4 guys(@~200lb each) I really only need a 1600lb car then.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30517500</id>
	<title>Re:part of our family is dead</title>
	<author>StikyPad</author>
	<datestamp>1261393500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>With the release of Licence Renewed Saab Automobile took the opportunity to launch a Bond themed promotional campaign complete with an actual car outfitted like the one in the book (but using smoke instead of tear gas).</i> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licence\_Renewed#The\_Silver\_Beast" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licence\_Renewed#The\_Silver\_Beast</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>Maybe the story was lost in retelling..  Or maybe the old man told him a little fib.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the release of Licence Renewed Saab Automobile took the opportunity to launch a Bond themed promotional campaign complete with an actual car outfitted like the one in the book ( but using smoke instead of tear gas ) .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licence \ _Renewed # The \ _Silver \ _Beast [ wikipedia.org ] Maybe the story was lost in retelling.. Or maybe the old man told him a little fib .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the release of Licence Renewed Saab Automobile took the opportunity to launch a Bond themed promotional campaign complete with an actual car outfitted like the one in the book (but using smoke instead of tear gas).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licence\_Renewed#The\_Silver\_Beast [wikipedia.org]Maybe the story was lost in retelling..  Or maybe the old man told him a little fib.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505222</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261335300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Honda (as I'm sure you know).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Honda ( as I 'm sure you know ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honda (as I'm sure you know).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30510242</id>
	<title>Re:I guess you could call it a ...</title>
	<author>NSN A392-99-964-5927</author>
	<datestamp>1261392300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Saab Story.</p><p>*rimshot*</p></div><p>Miss Kitten and the Hacker.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>........ "Requiem fot a Hit" Sexcellent! tune of the day!</p></div>
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<tokenext>Saab Story .
* rimshot * Miss Kitten and the Hacker .
........ " Requiem fot a Hit " Sexcellent !
tune of the day !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Saab Story.
*rimshot*Miss Kitten and the Hacker.
........ "Requiem fot a Hit" Sexcellent!
tune of the day!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30509184</id>
	<title>Re:New bid..</title>
	<author>pipingguy</author>
	<datestamp>1261331820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Spyker has to be the coolest car company name ever. I mean, how cool is that?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Spyker has to be the coolest car company name ever .
I mean , how cool is that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Spyker has to be the coolest car company name ever.
I mean, how cool is that?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504524</id>
	<title>People bought Saabs BECAUSE they were quirky</title>
	<author>A nonymous Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1261330140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Saabs were different, expensive, and European, and that was the only reason Americans bought them.</p><p>GM bought the company on the premise it could switch out the custom parts for commodity parts from the GM parts bin and reduce cost and make more money.</p><p>Of course, that meant the existing customers were disillusioned and figured if they wanted o save money, other brands did it better, or if they wanted to be ostentatious, other brands also did that better.</p><p>It's like HP or any other quirky brand.   They have a niche in the market and loyal customers *because of* the quirks, and when the quirks go away, so do the quirky loyal customers.  That puts them in the thick of the commodity market, competing on price and quality just like everyone else.</p><p>If they had stayed quirky, they would have kept their loyal market share.  GM already had numerous brands competing (and losing) on quality and price, so buying Saab the company was the beginning of the end for Saab.  Besides, it also marked them as no longer quite as European as they used to be, lowering their snob appeal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Saabs were different , expensive , and European , and that was the only reason Americans bought them.GM bought the company on the premise it could switch out the custom parts for commodity parts from the GM parts bin and reduce cost and make more money.Of course , that meant the existing customers were disillusioned and figured if they wanted o save money , other brands did it better , or if they wanted to be ostentatious , other brands also did that better.It 's like HP or any other quirky brand .
They have a niche in the market and loyal customers * because of * the quirks , and when the quirks go away , so do the quirky loyal customers .
That puts them in the thick of the commodity market , competing on price and quality just like everyone else.If they had stayed quirky , they would have kept their loyal market share .
GM already had numerous brands competing ( and losing ) on quality and price , so buying Saab the company was the beginning of the end for Saab .
Besides , it also marked them as no longer quite as European as they used to be , lowering their snob appeal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Saabs were different, expensive, and European, and that was the only reason Americans bought them.GM bought the company on the premise it could switch out the custom parts for commodity parts from the GM parts bin and reduce cost and make more money.Of course, that meant the existing customers were disillusioned and figured if they wanted o save money, other brands did it better, or if they wanted to be ostentatious, other brands also did that better.It's like HP or any other quirky brand.
They have a niche in the market and loyal customers *because of* the quirks, and when the quirks go away, so do the quirky loyal customers.
That puts them in the thick of the commodity market, competing on price and quality just like everyone else.If they had stayed quirky, they would have kept their loyal market share.
GM already had numerous brands competing (and losing) on quality and price, so buying Saab the company was the beginning of the end for Saab.
Besides, it also marked them as no longer quite as European as they used to be, lowering their snob appeal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30510922</id>
	<title>Re:Speaking for myself as a Swedish brick driver,</title>
	<author>dcw3</author>
	<datestamp>1261401600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My own anecdotal evidence was the purchase of a new 1988 Saab 900 SPG (special performance group)...obviously prior to the GM purchase.  In the two years I owned the car, the problems (below) I had made me eliminate Saab from any future purchase.  You claim the Americans screw things up, but how come the quality surveys are all showing the European vehicles at the bottom of the barrel now?  I know we could argue about who owns the companies, and that BMW &amp; Mercedes are making vehicles in the US, but seriously your point about America is ignorant, and hardly "Insightful"</p><p>1. The vehicle came with Pirelli P6 tires.  Don't even dream of driving on snow in these...they sucked in the rain too.  The car (with front wheel drive) couldn't climb any kind of incline on snow.  I swapped those tires for all weather Goodyear Eagles, and never had trouble again.</p><p>2. One year after the purchase, while passing another vehicle on a two lane road, the transmission locked up completely as I shifted from 3-4.  Saab claimed that they would cover it, but in the end charged me $4500 (in '89 dollars)...the European warranty (I lived in Germany at the time) was only good for one year, and I was just past that....fuckers.</p><p>3. I owned the vehicle for another year, and had the driver's window get stuck in the down position, as well as the driver's side windshield wiper mechanism break.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My own anecdotal evidence was the purchase of a new 1988 Saab 900 SPG ( special performance group ) ...obviously prior to the GM purchase .
In the two years I owned the car , the problems ( below ) I had made me eliminate Saab from any future purchase .
You claim the Americans screw things up , but how come the quality surveys are all showing the European vehicles at the bottom of the barrel now ?
I know we could argue about who owns the companies , and that BMW &amp; Mercedes are making vehicles in the US , but seriously your point about America is ignorant , and hardly " Insightful " 1 .
The vehicle came with Pirelli P6 tires .
Do n't even dream of driving on snow in these...they sucked in the rain too .
The car ( with front wheel drive ) could n't climb any kind of incline on snow .
I swapped those tires for all weather Goodyear Eagles , and never had trouble again.2 .
One year after the purchase , while passing another vehicle on a two lane road , the transmission locked up completely as I shifted from 3-4 .
Saab claimed that they would cover it , but in the end charged me $ 4500 ( in '89 dollars ) ...the European warranty ( I lived in Germany at the time ) was only good for one year , and I was just past that....fuckers.3 .
I owned the vehicle for another year , and had the driver 's window get stuck in the down position , as well as the driver 's side windshield wiper mechanism break .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My own anecdotal evidence was the purchase of a new 1988 Saab 900 SPG (special performance group)...obviously prior to the GM purchase.
In the two years I owned the car, the problems (below) I had made me eliminate Saab from any future purchase.
You claim the Americans screw things up, but how come the quality surveys are all showing the European vehicles at the bottom of the barrel now?
I know we could argue about who owns the companies, and that BMW &amp; Mercedes are making vehicles in the US, but seriously your point about America is ignorant, and hardly "Insightful"1.
The vehicle came with Pirelli P6 tires.
Don't even dream of driving on snow in these...they sucked in the rain too.
The car (with front wheel drive) couldn't climb any kind of incline on snow.
I swapped those tires for all weather Goodyear Eagles, and never had trouble again.2.
One year after the purchase, while passing another vehicle on a two lane road, the transmission locked up completely as I shifted from 3-4.
Saab claimed that they would cover it, but in the end charged me $4500 (in '89 dollars)...the European warranty (I lived in Germany at the time) was only good for one year, and I was just past that....fuckers.3.
I owned the vehicle for another year, and had the driver's window get stuck in the down position, as well as the driver's side windshield wiper mechanism break.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505256</id>
	<title>Re:numb driving experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261335420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, chatter all you want but don't talk bad about automatic transmissions. AT has, in the words of one of my relatives, completely obsoleted the need for manual transmissions. And I'm Spaniard.</p><p>But yeah, it numbs the "driving experience". That's why I prefer to walk with my hands, because I like to feel the texture of the ground, the gravel softly puncturing my palms... FFS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , chatter all you want but do n't talk bad about automatic transmissions .
AT has , in the words of one of my relatives , completely obsoleted the need for manual transmissions .
And I 'm Spaniard.But yeah , it numbs the " driving experience " .
That 's why I prefer to walk with my hands , because I like to feel the texture of the ground , the gravel softly puncturing my palms... FFS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, chatter all you want but don't talk bad about automatic transmissions.
AT has, in the words of one of my relatives, completely obsoleted the need for manual transmissions.
And I'm Spaniard.But yeah, it numbs the "driving experience".
That's why I prefer to walk with my hands, because I like to feel the texture of the ground, the gravel softly puncturing my palms... FFS.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503494</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30507956</id>
	<title>Re:They can't die fast enough...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261317480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I live in Central PA, and that car was unstoppable in the snow.</p></div><p>Don't worry, you're not alone.  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxwgHGCrrS4" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">Cars crashing on snow &amp; ice</a> [youtube.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in Central PA , and that car was unstoppable in the snow.Do n't worry , you 're not alone .
Cars crashing on snow &amp; ice [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in Central PA, and that car was unstoppable in the snow.Don't worry, you're not alone.
Cars crashing on snow &amp; ice [youtube.com]
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504780</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504548</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>Dun Malg</author>
	<datestamp>1261330260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I drive a Volkswagen T3/Vanagon. I'll <a href="http://www.vanagon.com/info/safety/volvo-crash/index.html" title="vanagon.com">eat your "safe" Volvo for breakfast</a> [vanagon.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>I drive a Volkswagen T3/Vanagon .
I 'll eat your " safe " Volvo for breakfast [ vanagon.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I drive a Volkswagen T3/Vanagon.
I'll eat your "safe" Volvo for breakfast [vanagon.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30508030</id>
	<title>Re:numb driving experience</title>
	<author>Buelldozer</author>
	<datestamp>1261318440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not all of us prefer this. There are far too many Americans driving German auto's for this to be true, including the Audi in my own garage. Please don't make such a blanket statement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not all of us prefer this .
There are far too many Americans driving German auto 's for this to be true , including the Audi in my own garage .
Please do n't make such a blanket statement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not all of us prefer this.
There are far too many Americans driving German auto's for this to be true, including the Audi in my own garage.
Please don't make such a blanket statement.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503494</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30509442</id>
	<title>Re:Eh, you give the answer. Food</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261335480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Amesterdam?  Italy?  New Fucking York?  The place where "pizza" is a greasy cracker with spray-on tomato puree topped with spray on cheese, utterly devoid of spice and meat, and must be under 1/8 of an inch thick, with a pound of grease sloshing around on top?  Served cold with a side of yo go fuck yoself?  Weeping Jesus on a cross you've never had pizza.  Go to Chicago.  Go downtown and ask anyone where you can get pizza and you'll be pointed to any one of the twenty best pizzerias in the world.  The kind of place that if some "pizza" making douche from New Fucking York (or Italy, they're equally clueless) went to would immediately hang themselves out of shame and to apologize for so severely insulting pizzakind after simply smelling the mind-blowing, totally superior, pure, godly awesomeness that is Chicago-style pizza.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Amesterdam ?
Italy ? New Fucking York ?
The place where " pizza " is a greasy cracker with spray-on tomato puree topped with spray on cheese , utterly devoid of spice and meat , and must be under 1/8 of an inch thick , with a pound of grease sloshing around on top ?
Served cold with a side of yo go fuck yoself ?
Weeping Jesus on a cross you 've never had pizza .
Go to Chicago .
Go downtown and ask anyone where you can get pizza and you 'll be pointed to any one of the twenty best pizzerias in the world .
The kind of place that if some " pizza " making douche from New Fucking York ( or Italy , they 're equally clueless ) went to would immediately hang themselves out of shame and to apologize for so severely insulting pizzakind after simply smelling the mind-blowing , totally superior , pure , godly awesomeness that is Chicago-style pizza .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amesterdam?
Italy?  New Fucking York?
The place where "pizza" is a greasy cracker with spray-on tomato puree topped with spray on cheese, utterly devoid of spice and meat, and must be under 1/8 of an inch thick, with a pound of grease sloshing around on top?
Served cold with a side of yo go fuck yoself?
Weeping Jesus on a cross you've never had pizza.
Go to Chicago.
Go downtown and ask anyone where you can get pizza and you'll be pointed to any one of the twenty best pizzerias in the world.
The kind of place that if some "pizza" making douche from New Fucking York (or Italy, they're equally clueless) went to would immediately hang themselves out of shame and to apologize for so severely insulting pizzakind after simply smelling the mind-blowing, totally superior, pure, godly awesomeness that is Chicago-style pizza.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504916</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30508736</id>
	<title>For those that know...</title>
	<author>Karem Lore</author>
	<datestamp>1261327020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I drive a 120,000mile Saab 9-5 late 01 MY02 Aero Estate Auto (Manual's were too rare thus expensive).  It has 250BHP from a 2.3litre petrol engine.  I love it.  It is the best car I have had.  I have treated it rough because I bought cheap second hand.</p><p>Nobody has mentioned the iconic cup holder...simple, elegant, functional...<br>Nobody mentioned the dimming of the cockpit for night driving...<br>How about the auto leveling suspension?<br>How about the most comfortable seats of ANY car.</p><p>I long and hope for Saab's return...</p><p>Karem</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I drive a 120,000mile Saab 9-5 late 01 MY02 Aero Estate Auto ( Manual 's were too rare thus expensive ) .
It has 250BHP from a 2.3litre petrol engine .
I love it .
It is the best car I have had .
I have treated it rough because I bought cheap second hand.Nobody has mentioned the iconic cup holder...simple , elegant , functional...Nobody mentioned the dimming of the cockpit for night driving...How about the auto leveling suspension ? How about the most comfortable seats of ANY car.I long and hope for Saab 's return...Karem</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I drive a 120,000mile Saab 9-5 late 01 MY02 Aero Estate Auto (Manual's were too rare thus expensive).
It has 250BHP from a 2.3litre petrol engine.
I love it.
It is the best car I have had.
I have treated it rough because I bought cheap second hand.Nobody has mentioned the iconic cup holder...simple, elegant, functional...Nobody mentioned the dimming of the cockpit for night driving...How about the auto leveling suspension?How about the most comfortable seats of ANY car.I long and hope for Saab's return...Karem</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504362</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>digitalunity</author>
	<datestamp>1261329000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everyone has stories to tell about their car that made it past 200k. Shit, I drive a 2002 Chevy Astrovan with 239k miles. Doesn't mean it's a good van. I've had to repair it numerous times(4wd, tranny, alternator x2, etc.)</p><p>I would be interested to see hard data on how far cars typically make it before dying for good. Not just individual cases.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone has stories to tell about their car that made it past 200k .
Shit , I drive a 2002 Chevy Astrovan with 239k miles .
Does n't mean it 's a good van .
I 've had to repair it numerous times ( 4wd , tranny , alternator x2 , etc .
) I would be interested to see hard data on how far cars typically make it before dying for good .
Not just individual cases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone has stories to tell about their car that made it past 200k.
Shit, I drive a 2002 Chevy Astrovan with 239k miles.
Doesn't mean it's a good van.
I've had to repair it numerous times(4wd, tranny, alternator x2, etc.
)I would be interested to see hard data on how far cars typically make it before dying for good.
Not just individual cases.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504144</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30509298</id>
	<title>who cares about saab what about pontiac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261333500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who cares about saab?  Pontiac had a much cooler heritage and actually still sold a shitton of cars.  Although the Pontiac brand is nothing like what it used to be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who cares about saab ?
Pontiac had a much cooler heritage and actually still sold a shitton of cars .
Although the Pontiac brand is nothing like what it used to be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who cares about saab?
Pontiac had a much cooler heritage and actually still sold a shitton of cars.
Although the Pontiac brand is nothing like what it used to be.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30506656</id>
	<title>James Bond drove a Saab in the John Gardner books</title>
	<author>QuatermassX</author>
	<datestamp>1261304220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I always thought it deeply peculiar that Gardner's Bond drove a Saab 900 Turbo in the 1980s. Saab also did a tie-in promotion. Surely Gardner could have given the poor bastard a Jaguar, though. Or something sporty like a Mazda.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I always thought it deeply peculiar that Gardner 's Bond drove a Saab 900 Turbo in the 1980s .
Saab also did a tie-in promotion .
Surely Gardner could have given the poor bastard a Jaguar , though .
Or something sporty like a Mazda .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always thought it deeply peculiar that Gardner's Bond drove a Saab 900 Turbo in the 1980s.
Saab also did a tie-in promotion.
Surely Gardner could have given the poor bastard a Jaguar, though.
Or something sporty like a Mazda.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504704</id>
	<title>Re:New bid..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261331460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yep, GM is killing all those deals because they don't want the competition.  Shame the government had to backstop them instead of letting the market absorb the pieces of what should have been a bankrupt GM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep , GM is killing all those deals because they do n't want the competition .
Shame the government had to backstop them instead of letting the market absorb the pieces of what should have been a bankrupt GM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep, GM is killing all those deals because they don't want the competition.
Shame the government had to backstop them instead of letting the market absorb the pieces of what should have been a bankrupt GM.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503486</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504092</id>
	<title>Re:Near-Death Experience of Saab</title>
	<author>BrokenHalo</author>
	<datestamp>1261326720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hadn't heard about that re-badging - I suspect we don't see those models here in Australia. We mostly see Subaru as a replacement for the Volvo as the weapon of choice for incompetent suburban drivers. At least Volvo made sense as an acronym: Voluntarily OverLoaded with Vile Offspring.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had n't heard about that re-badging - I suspect we do n't see those models here in Australia .
We mostly see Subaru as a replacement for the Volvo as the weapon of choice for incompetent suburban drivers .
At least Volvo made sense as an acronym : Voluntarily OverLoaded with Vile Offspring .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hadn't heard about that re-badging - I suspect we don't see those models here in Australia.
We mostly see Subaru as a replacement for the Volvo as the weapon of choice for incompetent suburban drivers.
At least Volvo made sense as an acronym: Voluntarily OverLoaded with Vile Offspring.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503680</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505334</id>
	<title>Re:They can't die fast enough...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261336200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I grew up in Central PA. I would bet you were the only SAAB owner there! As far as encountering a SAAB in the snow, it's a frightening experience! The owner is always driving too fast for conditions without regard for other traffic. SAABs and their owners are dangerous and I say good riddance!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I grew up in Central PA. I would bet you were the only SAAB owner there !
As far as encountering a SAAB in the snow , it 's a frightening experience !
The owner is always driving too fast for conditions without regard for other traffic .
SAABs and their owners are dangerous and I say good riddance !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I grew up in Central PA. I would bet you were the only SAAB owner there!
As far as encountering a SAAB in the snow, it's a frightening experience!
The owner is always driving too fast for conditions without regard for other traffic.
SAABs and their owners are dangerous and I say good riddance!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504780</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503642</id>
	<title>What sort</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261321080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>of fighter jets will the swedish air force have to buy now? Don't tell me they have to get the JSF ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>of fighter jets will the swedish air force have to buy now ?
Do n't tell me they have to get the JSF ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>of fighter jets will the swedish air force have to buy now?
Don't tell me they have to get the JSF ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504114</id>
	<title>Re:Horrifyingly poor management</title>
	<author>wtbname</author>
	<datestamp>1261327020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really? Another reason for Europeans to be annoyed at Americans?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/sigh</p><p>Oh wait, do you speak for all of Europe? No seriously, which one of you speaks for all of Europe, cause there's five of you in every damn thread. Maybe you guys should coordinate your message. Form a Slashdotopean Union or some stupid shit like that.</p><p>It will probably take you longer to get your message out having to come to a consensus and all, but at least we wouldn't be subjected to your better-than-thou bullshit every five minutes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
Another reason for Europeans to be annoyed at Americans ?
/sighOh wait , do you speak for all of Europe ?
No seriously , which one of you speaks for all of Europe , cause there 's five of you in every damn thread .
Maybe you guys should coordinate your message .
Form a Slashdotopean Union or some stupid shit like that.It will probably take you longer to get your message out having to come to a consensus and all , but at least we would n't be subjected to your better-than-thou bullshit every five minutes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
Another reason for Europeans to be annoyed at Americans?
/sighOh wait, do you speak for all of Europe?
No seriously, which one of you speaks for all of Europe, cause there's five of you in every damn thread.
Maybe you guys should coordinate your message.
Form a Slashdotopean Union or some stupid shit like that.It will probably take you longer to get your message out having to come to a consensus and all, but at least we wouldn't be subjected to your better-than-thou bullshit every five minutes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505208</id>
	<title>Re:numb driving experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261335240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's because to most of us, cars are appliances. The only people who want a clothes washer/dryer, for instance, to vibrate, are lonely housewives.</p><p>I blame a lot of this on what little training most people are given before getting their driver's license. If everyone ran a few autocross courses in at least two cars that contrast in the amount of road feel they give the driver, I would suspect major changes for the better both in terms of the marketplace and road safety.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's because to most of us , cars are appliances .
The only people who want a clothes washer/dryer , for instance , to vibrate , are lonely housewives.I blame a lot of this on what little training most people are given before getting their driver 's license .
If everyone ran a few autocross courses in at least two cars that contrast in the amount of road feel they give the driver , I would suspect major changes for the better both in terms of the marketplace and road safety .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's because to most of us, cars are appliances.
The only people who want a clothes washer/dryer, for instance, to vibrate, are lonely housewives.I blame a lot of this on what little training most people are given before getting their driver's license.
If everyone ran a few autocross courses in at least two cars that contrast in the amount of road feel they give the driver, I would suspect major changes for the better both in terms of the marketplace and road safety.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30506960</id>
	<title>Re:Near-Death Experience of Saab</title>
	<author>kimvette</author>
	<datestamp>1261306920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There were also reports yesterday that the Swedish government is holding an emergency meeting to discuss options to rescue Saab. See the reports on Saab United and Saab Central boards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There were also reports yesterday that the Swedish government is holding an emergency meeting to discuss options to rescue Saab .
See the reports on Saab United and Saab Central boards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There were also reports yesterday that the Swedish government is holding an emergency meeting to discuss options to rescue Saab.
See the reports on Saab United and Saab Central boards.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505684</id>
	<title>Re:Eh, you give the answer. Food</title>
	<author>Brett Buck</author>
	<datestamp>1261339380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What amuses me most is the episodes of myth-busters where they test fuel-efficiency myths in 3 ton gas guzzlers. That is because no american can drive anything less then a v8. Because you need those extra horsepowers if you ever need to accelarate fast for some idiotic safety reason (that you would accelerate faster in a lighter car with a better power to weight ratio is something no american can understand).</p></div></blockquote><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Once again, another moronic comment. Given that you actually do have to drive for long distances, as you note, you want the car to be the way it is. Included in those long distance drives are some interesting topological features we refer to as the Sierra Nevadas, the Wasatch range, the Rocky Mountains, the Siskyous, etc. Even in the middle of Nevada there are very long climbs up very long hills. You can get, say, a Chevy Monto Carlo with a V6. Start in Reno, drive to Salt Lake City on the interstate. About once an hour you will need to climb a big mountain you never heard of at 85 MPH. Please note your speed at the top of, say, Golconda Summit. If you don't blow the motor on the way up, presumably. Even better, drive the 40 miles from SLC to Park City. It will gut itself out for 15 straight minutes at 50 mph.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Yes, a very light Lotus Elise would have no problem climbing that hill with a 4-cylinder because it's light. But try doing that for 14-16 hours straight. For 2-3 days straight.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; You guys have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. By the way, I do that trip 2-3 times a year in a Mazda mini-van, chosen because it has the best power-weight ratio and can climb the hills at full speed. And my other cars are a Lotus Esprit, a Porsche Cayman S, and until last wednesday, a Mustang Cobra SVT.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Brett</p></div>
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<tokenext>What amuses me most is the episodes of myth-busters where they test fuel-efficiency myths in 3 ton gas guzzlers .
That is because no american can drive anything less then a v8 .
Because you need those extra horsepowers if you ever need to accelarate fast for some idiotic safety reason ( that you would accelerate faster in a lighter car with a better power to weight ratio is something no american can understand ) .
    Once again , another moronic comment .
Given that you actually do have to drive for long distances , as you note , you want the car to be the way it is .
Included in those long distance drives are some interesting topological features we refer to as the Sierra Nevadas , the Wasatch range , the Rocky Mountains , the Siskyous , etc .
Even in the middle of Nevada there are very long climbs up very long hills .
You can get , say , a Chevy Monto Carlo with a V6 .
Start in Reno , drive to Salt Lake City on the interstate .
About once an hour you will need to climb a big mountain you never heard of at 85 MPH .
Please note your speed at the top of , say , Golconda Summit .
If you do n't blow the motor on the way up , presumably .
Even better , drive the 40 miles from SLC to Park City .
It will gut itself out for 15 straight minutes at 50 mph .
        Yes , a very light Lotus Elise would have no problem climbing that hill with a 4-cylinder because it 's light .
But try doing that for 14-16 hours straight .
For 2-3 days straight .
          You guys have absolutely no idea what you are talking about .
By the way , I do that trip 2-3 times a year in a Mazda mini-van , chosen because it has the best power-weight ratio and can climb the hills at full speed .
And my other cars are a Lotus Esprit , a Porsche Cayman S , and until last wednesday , a Mustang Cobra SVT .
            Brett</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What amuses me most is the episodes of myth-busters where they test fuel-efficiency myths in 3 ton gas guzzlers.
That is because no american can drive anything less then a v8.
Because you need those extra horsepowers if you ever need to accelarate fast for some idiotic safety reason (that you would accelerate faster in a lighter car with a better power to weight ratio is something no american can understand).
    Once again, another moronic comment.
Given that you actually do have to drive for long distances, as you note, you want the car to be the way it is.
Included in those long distance drives are some interesting topological features we refer to as the Sierra Nevadas, the Wasatch range, the Rocky Mountains, the Siskyous, etc.
Even in the middle of Nevada there are very long climbs up very long hills.
You can get, say, a Chevy Monto Carlo with a V6.
Start in Reno, drive to Salt Lake City on the interstate.
About once an hour you will need to climb a big mountain you never heard of at 85 MPH.
Please note your speed at the top of, say, Golconda Summit.
If you don't blow the motor on the way up, presumably.
Even better, drive the 40 miles from SLC to Park City.
It will gut itself out for 15 straight minutes at 50 mph.
        Yes, a very light Lotus Elise would have no problem climbing that hill with a 4-cylinder because it's light.
But try doing that for 14-16 hours straight.
For 2-3 days straight.
          You guys have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
By the way, I do that trip 2-3 times a year in a Mazda mini-van, chosen because it has the best power-weight ratio and can climb the hills at full speed.
And my other cars are a Lotus Esprit, a Porsche Cayman S, and until last wednesday, a Mustang Cobra SVT.
            Brett
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503550</id>
	<title>Re:Two questions from ignorance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261320180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>1. Who owned SAAB before?<br>2. If it is such a good brand, why don't those previous owners buy it back?</p></div><p>The Swedish defence company Saab AB.<br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab</p><p>They don't need to buy it back, as both companies have brand/naming rights.</p></div>
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<tokenext>1 .
Who owned SAAB before ? 2 .
If it is such a good brand , why do n't those previous owners buy it back ? The Swedish defence company Saab AB.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SaabThey do n't need to buy it back , as both companies have brand/naming rights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Who owned SAAB before?2.
If it is such a good brand, why don't those previous owners buy it back?The Swedish defence company Saab AB.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SaabThey don't need to buy it back, as both companies have brand/naming rights.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30507444</id>
	<title>Re:numb driving experience</title>
	<author>macshit</author>
	<datestamp>1261311000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But what is it with Americans preferring numb cars that totally insulate them from what the car is doing?</p></div><p>They can't feel anything through all the layers of fat anyway...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But what is it with Americans preferring numb cars that totally insulate them from what the car is doing ? They ca n't feel anything through all the layers of fat anyway.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But what is it with Americans preferring numb cars that totally insulate them from what the car is doing?They can't feel anything through all the layers of fat anyway...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30506836</id>
	<title>A victim to institutional stupidity...</title>
	<author>Genda</author>
	<datestamp>1261306020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is Saab was owned by GM. One of three American automobile companies in the United States who have all raised stupidity to an artform. They didn't need to be bailed out because the economy tanked last year... they needed to be bailed out, because they are arrogant, smug, self important twits who think they don't need to respond to things like the government, the economy, the price of oil, the environment, or the needs, wants, and demands of their customers. When the price of oil crested, they continue to try to RAM ROD monster SUVs and Trucks down the collective throats of Americans, while Toyota sold hybrids like they were going out of style. The best thing any of these clowns could come up with was to make Giant, Rediculous SUVs with hybrid power plants... Oooooo now they get 26 MPG instead of 7... and the Prius is happily chugging along at 60 MPG...</p><p>Until Corporate leaders in this country understand they are here to serve, not be served... we will continue to suffer the kinds of ridiculous failure we are seeing today.</p><p>The disappearance of Saab reflects an industry that has lost it's way, and a society that has become pavlovian in the way it responds to what the fashion makers tell us we should like. Inside such a culture, intelligent, distinctive, eclectic, and off-beat style have little place, and sadly no market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is Saab was owned by GM .
One of three American automobile companies in the United States who have all raised stupidity to an artform .
They did n't need to be bailed out because the economy tanked last year... they needed to be bailed out , because they are arrogant , smug , self important twits who think they do n't need to respond to things like the government , the economy , the price of oil , the environment , or the needs , wants , and demands of their customers .
When the price of oil crested , they continue to try to RAM ROD monster SUVs and Trucks down the collective throats of Americans , while Toyota sold hybrids like they were going out of style .
The best thing any of these clowns could come up with was to make Giant , Rediculous SUVs with hybrid power plants... Oooooo now they get 26 MPG instead of 7... and the Prius is happily chugging along at 60 MPG...Until Corporate leaders in this country understand they are here to serve , not be served... we will continue to suffer the kinds of ridiculous failure we are seeing today.The disappearance of Saab reflects an industry that has lost it 's way , and a society that has become pavlovian in the way it responds to what the fashion makers tell us we should like .
Inside such a culture , intelligent , distinctive , eclectic , and off-beat style have little place , and sadly no market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is Saab was owned by GM.
One of three American automobile companies in the United States who have all raised stupidity to an artform.
They didn't need to be bailed out because the economy tanked last year... they needed to be bailed out, because they are arrogant, smug, self important twits who think they don't need to respond to things like the government, the economy, the price of oil, the environment, or the needs, wants, and demands of their customers.
When the price of oil crested, they continue to try to RAM ROD monster SUVs and Trucks down the collective throats of Americans, while Toyota sold hybrids like they were going out of style.
The best thing any of these clowns could come up with was to make Giant, Rediculous SUVs with hybrid power plants... Oooooo now they get 26 MPG instead of 7... and the Prius is happily chugging along at 60 MPG...Until Corporate leaders in this country understand they are here to serve, not be served... we will continue to suffer the kinds of ridiculous failure we are seeing today.The disappearance of Saab reflects an industry that has lost it's way, and a society that has become pavlovian in the way it responds to what the fashion makers tell us we should like.
Inside such a culture, intelligent, distinctive, eclectic, and off-beat style have little place, and sadly no market.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504578</id>
	<title>Re:And why do I care?</title>
	<author>digitalunity</author>
	<datestamp>1261330560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe so, but anybody who has ever driven an old Pontiac TransAm knows how much fun they are. The feel if a gigantic V8 in your ass, hitting the throttle and being pulled back into your chair as if it was a god damned space shuttle launch.</p><p>It was nice. Yes, GM tried to make the Firebird a grocery getter and really had lackluster styling. GM tried to new-ify the Firebird in the 90's when they should have looked towards the past and gone retro like the Camaro.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe so , but anybody who has ever driven an old Pontiac TransAm knows how much fun they are .
The feel if a gigantic V8 in your ass , hitting the throttle and being pulled back into your chair as if it was a god damned space shuttle launch.It was nice .
Yes , GM tried to make the Firebird a grocery getter and really had lackluster styling .
GM tried to new-ify the Firebird in the 90 's when they should have looked towards the past and gone retro like the Camaro .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe so, but anybody who has ever driven an old Pontiac TransAm knows how much fun they are.
The feel if a gigantic V8 in your ass, hitting the throttle and being pulled back into your chair as if it was a god damned space shuttle launch.It was nice.
Yes, GM tried to make the Firebird a grocery getter and really had lackluster styling.
GM tried to new-ify the Firebird in the 90's when they should have looked towards the past and gone retro like the Camaro.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504238</id>
	<title>Re:Horrifyingly poor management</title>
	<author>zippthorne</author>
	<datestamp>1261328220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uh, just FYI, we <em>are</em> europeans.  Mostly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh , just FYI , we are europeans .
Mostly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh, just FYI, we are europeans.
Mostly.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30560928</id>
	<title>curious...what about the planes?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261851840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SAAB still makes planes. Notably the recent Gripen (spelling), pretty sure that was the one, the swedish AF adopted in the past few years, along with many other countries looking at it for a cheap multirole fighter. Was the SSAB car division split off, or did GM aquire teh entire corporation? SAAB has a long history in the aero world of quality, im curious if thats dying too with this decision.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SAAB still makes planes .
Notably the recent Gripen ( spelling ) , pretty sure that was the one , the swedish AF adopted in the past few years , along with many other countries looking at it for a cheap multirole fighter .
Was the SSAB car division split off , or did GM aquire teh entire corporation ?
SAAB has a long history in the aero world of quality , im curious if thats dying too with this decision .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SAAB still makes planes.
Notably the recent Gripen (spelling), pretty sure that was the one, the swedish AF adopted in the past few years, along with many other countries looking at it for a cheap multirole fighter.
Was the SSAB car division split off, or did GM aquire teh entire corporation?
SAAB has a long history in the aero world of quality, im curious if thats dying too with this decision.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30506066</id>
	<title>Re:Eh, you give the answer. Food</title>
	<author>amaupin</author>
	<datestamp>1261342200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>The US HAS got local restaurants, even chains of them, that provide something different, something with a taste that dares not to appeal to everyone.</i> </p><p>Ah yes, Taco Bell.  I'm a big fan myself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The US HAS got local restaurants , even chains of them , that provide something different , something with a taste that dares not to appeal to everyone .
Ah yes , Taco Bell .
I 'm a big fan myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The US HAS got local restaurants, even chains of them, that provide something different, something with a taste that dares not to appeal to everyone.
Ah yes, Taco Bell.
I'm a big fan myself.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30507350</id>
	<title>I always wonder who buy SAAB's</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261310040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>particularly when the resell value goes through the floor after 4 years, I can buy a SAAB convertible 2002 model for next to nothing with leather interior (about AU$4k in good nick). Only thing worse would be Alfa's, an associate recently sold his Alfa two (2) years after it was purchased with very low mileage that cost over AU$80k new for a measly $35k, thats AU$22k per year depreciation, bugger that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>particularly when the resell value goes through the floor after 4 years , I can buy a SAAB convertible 2002 model for next to nothing with leather interior ( about AU $ 4k in good nick ) .
Only thing worse would be Alfa 's , an associate recently sold his Alfa two ( 2 ) years after it was purchased with very low mileage that cost over AU $ 80k new for a measly $ 35k , thats AU $ 22k per year depreciation , bugger that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>particularly when the resell value goes through the floor after 4 years, I can buy a SAAB convertible 2002 model for next to nothing with leather interior (about AU$4k in good nick).
Only thing worse would be Alfa's, an associate recently sold his Alfa two (2) years after it was purchased with very low mileage that cost over AU$80k new for a measly $35k, thats AU$22k per year depreciation, bugger that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504746</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261331820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Saabs don't understeer any more than ANY FWD car. If you know how to drive them (left foot braking, scandinavian flicks) you can make them oversteer like any good rally car should.</p><p>Special tools to replace the pads? Never used one...just used pliers and vice-grips any time I needed to do pads. The front handbrake thing was always annoying, but not THAT bad.</p><p>Parts for Saabs are no more than ANY foreign car.</p><p>I can do a clutch on a reverse mounted Saab engine in a little over an hour. Can't do that with ANY other car on earth (changing belts, on the other hand, is a royal PITA, I'll give you that.)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Saabs do n't understeer any more than ANY FWD car .
If you know how to drive them ( left foot braking , scandinavian flicks ) you can make them oversteer like any good rally car should.Special tools to replace the pads ?
Never used one...just used pliers and vice-grips any time I needed to do pads .
The front handbrake thing was always annoying , but not THAT bad.Parts for Saabs are no more than ANY foreign car.I can do a clutch on a reverse mounted Saab engine in a little over an hour .
Ca n't do that with ANY other car on earth ( changing belts , on the other hand , is a royal PITA , I 'll give you that .
) : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Saabs don't understeer any more than ANY FWD car.
If you know how to drive them (left foot braking, scandinavian flicks) you can make them oversteer like any good rally car should.Special tools to replace the pads?
Never used one...just used pliers and vice-grips any time I needed to do pads.
The front handbrake thing was always annoying, but not THAT bad.Parts for Saabs are no more than ANY foreign car.I can do a clutch on a reverse mounted Saab engine in a little over an hour.
Can't do that with ANY other car on earth (changing belts, on the other hand, is a royal PITA, I'll give you that.
) :)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504008</id>
	<title>Eh, you give the answer. Food</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261325820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Compare an american pizza with an italian one. A real hamburger with anything from any american restaurant. American beer? Coffee? We got Starbucks in holland now and frankly, their coffee sucks. I can get better from an espresso machine. Ben&amp;Jerry icecream? For the price, not nearly as good as you would think.
</p><p>That is not to say everything american is bad, it is just that when you have to appeal to 360 million people, you end up becoming distinctly average. The US HAS got local restaurants, even chains of them, that provide something different, something with a taste that dares not to appeal to everyone. To be unique, but they will always be local affairs that don't make it out of their local area, let alone across the ocean.
</p><p>The big american cars you know are aimed at the general US population. They require a car NOT for local travel but for long distance travel (or at least, they think they do). The world is filled with car-buyers who buy a car for the situation they might one day be in that they seen in the movies and not the one they need every single day of their real lives. Every american dreams of driving along a long highway into the sunset. For that you need a 3-ton car with soft suspension. And you want plenty of room on an 12 hour ride. Oh sure, it is hell on the short daily trips, but one day you might drive away from it all and you will be glad for it then.
</p><p>What amuses me most is the episodes of myth-busters where they test fuel-efficiency myths in 3 ton gas guzzlers. That is because no american can drive anything less then a v8. Because you need those extra horsepowers if you ever need to accelarate fast for some idiotic safety reason (that you would accelerate faster in a lighter car with a better power to weight ratio is something no american can understand).
</p><p>There is a reason every famous car comes from europe. The same reason Michelin guide is french. Americans do big and succesful, europeans do financial failure but do it beautifully.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Compare an american pizza with an italian one .
A real hamburger with anything from any american restaurant .
American beer ?
Coffee ? We got Starbucks in holland now and frankly , their coffee sucks .
I can get better from an espresso machine .
Ben&amp;Jerry icecream ?
For the price , not nearly as good as you would think .
That is not to say everything american is bad , it is just that when you have to appeal to 360 million people , you end up becoming distinctly average .
The US HAS got local restaurants , even chains of them , that provide something different , something with a taste that dares not to appeal to everyone .
To be unique , but they will always be local affairs that do n't make it out of their local area , let alone across the ocean .
The big american cars you know are aimed at the general US population .
They require a car NOT for local travel but for long distance travel ( or at least , they think they do ) .
The world is filled with car-buyers who buy a car for the situation they might one day be in that they seen in the movies and not the one they need every single day of their real lives .
Every american dreams of driving along a long highway into the sunset .
For that you need a 3-ton car with soft suspension .
And you want plenty of room on an 12 hour ride .
Oh sure , it is hell on the short daily trips , but one day you might drive away from it all and you will be glad for it then .
What amuses me most is the episodes of myth-busters where they test fuel-efficiency myths in 3 ton gas guzzlers .
That is because no american can drive anything less then a v8 .
Because you need those extra horsepowers if you ever need to accelarate fast for some idiotic safety reason ( that you would accelerate faster in a lighter car with a better power to weight ratio is something no american can understand ) .
There is a reason every famous car comes from europe .
The same reason Michelin guide is french .
Americans do big and succesful , europeans do financial failure but do it beautifully .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Compare an american pizza with an italian one.
A real hamburger with anything from any american restaurant.
American beer?
Coffee? We got Starbucks in holland now and frankly, their coffee sucks.
I can get better from an espresso machine.
Ben&amp;Jerry icecream?
For the price, not nearly as good as you would think.
That is not to say everything american is bad, it is just that when you have to appeal to 360 million people, you end up becoming distinctly average.
The US HAS got local restaurants, even chains of them, that provide something different, something with a taste that dares not to appeal to everyone.
To be unique, but they will always be local affairs that don't make it out of their local area, let alone across the ocean.
The big american cars you know are aimed at the general US population.
They require a car NOT for local travel but for long distance travel (or at least, they think they do).
The world is filled with car-buyers who buy a car for the situation they might one day be in that they seen in the movies and not the one they need every single day of their real lives.
Every american dreams of driving along a long highway into the sunset.
For that you need a 3-ton car with soft suspension.
And you want plenty of room on an 12 hour ride.
Oh sure, it is hell on the short daily trips, but one day you might drive away from it all and you will be glad for it then.
What amuses me most is the episodes of myth-busters where they test fuel-efficiency myths in 3 ton gas guzzlers.
That is because no american can drive anything less then a v8.
Because you need those extra horsepowers if you ever need to accelarate fast for some idiotic safety reason (that you would accelerate faster in a lighter car with a better power to weight ratio is something no american can understand).
There is a reason every famous car comes from europe.
The same reason Michelin guide is french.
Americans do big and succesful, europeans do financial failure but do it beautifully.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505478</id>
	<title>Re:Eh, you give the answer. Food</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261337520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Oh sure, it is hell on the short daily trips, but one day you might drive away from it all and you will be glad for it then. "</p><p>Hell in the city perhaps, but not in the suburbs or rural areas.</p><p>I prefer pickup trucks (I haul lots of tools and equipment) and cannot fault them for commuting in the many areas they fit.<br>They are comfortable, torquey, have excellent visibility, and other drivers treat them with much more respect than they do small cars or motorcycles.</p><p>I won't commute on my Harley any more due to the route being packed with crash-prone idiots, but those same idiots give my trucks a wide berth (++for front bumpers made from 8" I-beam and railroad rail!).</p><p>There is a place for sporty cars, those who prefer them should buy lots of them, but they don't do shit for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Oh sure , it is hell on the short daily trips , but one day you might drive away from it all and you will be glad for it then .
" Hell in the city perhaps , but not in the suburbs or rural areas.I prefer pickup trucks ( I haul lots of tools and equipment ) and can not fault them for commuting in the many areas they fit.They are comfortable , torquey , have excellent visibility , and other drivers treat them with much more respect than they do small cars or motorcycles.I wo n't commute on my Harley any more due to the route being packed with crash-prone idiots , but those same idiots give my trucks a wide berth ( + + for front bumpers made from 8 " I-beam and railroad rail !
) .There is a place for sporty cars , those who prefer them should buy lots of them , but they do n't do shit for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Oh sure, it is hell on the short daily trips, but one day you might drive away from it all and you will be glad for it then.
"Hell in the city perhaps, but not in the suburbs or rural areas.I prefer pickup trucks (I haul lots of tools and equipment) and cannot fault them for commuting in the many areas they fit.They are comfortable, torquey, have excellent visibility, and other drivers treat them with much more respect than they do small cars or motorcycles.I won't commute on my Harley any more due to the route being packed with crash-prone idiots, but those same idiots give my trucks a wide berth (++for front bumpers made from 8" I-beam and railroad rail!
).There is a place for sporty cars, those who prefer them should buy lots of them, but they don't do shit for me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503826</id>
	<title>Re:Over here companies can fail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261323720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Even Sweden will let the free market actually do its job. Kinda ironic seeing how the neocons of other governments like to describe us.</p></div><p>http://www.autoblog.com/2009/12/19/report-swedish-government-to-meet-with-gm-officials-could-saa/</p><p>You were saying?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even Sweden will let the free market actually do its job .
Kinda ironic seeing how the neocons of other governments like to describe us.http : //www.autoblog.com/2009/12/19/report-swedish-government-to-meet-with-gm-officials-could-saa/You were saying ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Even Sweden will let the free market actually do its job.
Kinda ironic seeing how the neocons of other governments like to describe us.http://www.autoblog.com/2009/12/19/report-swedish-government-to-meet-with-gm-officials-could-saa/You were saying?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503524</id>
	<title>They can't die fast enough...</title>
	<author>Bin\_jammin</author>
	<datestamp>1261319880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the linked article, Saab had a highlight of sales at 48,000 and change in 1986, when they were a post-recession yuppie fad. They were always bad cars, and articles like this one reminiscing about the "glory days" of Saab are a bit myopic. They rusted out in key places, like where the control arms for the front suspension bolts to the body. They're a nightmare to work on, with the engine spun backwards in the engine bay. The "tight steering" meant nothing when coupled with a body that flexed terribly, especially on the convertible models. Big buttons for people wearing gloves? That's the best contribution the author can come up with in his requiem?

The fact is that people don't want to spend huge money on mediocre cars. Saab was purchased to be placed in GM's lineup as a luxury foreign brand, much like Volvo's purchase by Ford. The new cars were built on better platforms than the ones Saab could engineer, with all the quirkiness still intact for buyers with too much money and not enough common sense. That GM can't give the company away, and can't make money selling weird cars is proof of this. The year GM purchased Saab they killed off Oldsmobile. Saab was selling ~40,000 cars per year, Olds was selling 250,000 cars per year. They killed a brand that made them far more money in order to have a more upscale image, only to find out what people really imagined the cars to be. They made a Saab out of a Blazer, they made a Saab out of a Subaru, and I'm sure if some marketing doofus thought it was a good idea they would have done the same with a Daewoo as well.


Saab had some interesting ideas over the years, but they were cars that were constantly broken and difficult to work on. I've spent many years as an auto tech and diagnostician fixing these things. I'll always have many fond memories of working on Saabs. They've brought me so much laughter over the years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the linked article , Saab had a highlight of sales at 48,000 and change in 1986 , when they were a post-recession yuppie fad .
They were always bad cars , and articles like this one reminiscing about the " glory days " of Saab are a bit myopic .
They rusted out in key places , like where the control arms for the front suspension bolts to the body .
They 're a nightmare to work on , with the engine spun backwards in the engine bay .
The " tight steering " meant nothing when coupled with a body that flexed terribly , especially on the convertible models .
Big buttons for people wearing gloves ?
That 's the best contribution the author can come up with in his requiem ?
The fact is that people do n't want to spend huge money on mediocre cars .
Saab was purchased to be placed in GM 's lineup as a luxury foreign brand , much like Volvo 's purchase by Ford .
The new cars were built on better platforms than the ones Saab could engineer , with all the quirkiness still intact for buyers with too much money and not enough common sense .
That GM ca n't give the company away , and ca n't make money selling weird cars is proof of this .
The year GM purchased Saab they killed off Oldsmobile .
Saab was selling ~ 40,000 cars per year , Olds was selling 250,000 cars per year .
They killed a brand that made them far more money in order to have a more upscale image , only to find out what people really imagined the cars to be .
They made a Saab out of a Blazer , they made a Saab out of a Subaru , and I 'm sure if some marketing doofus thought it was a good idea they would have done the same with a Daewoo as well .
Saab had some interesting ideas over the years , but they were cars that were constantly broken and difficult to work on .
I 've spent many years as an auto tech and diagnostician fixing these things .
I 'll always have many fond memories of working on Saabs .
They 've brought me so much laughter over the years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the linked article, Saab had a highlight of sales at 48,000 and change in 1986, when they were a post-recession yuppie fad.
They were always bad cars, and articles like this one reminiscing about the "glory days" of Saab are a bit myopic.
They rusted out in key places, like where the control arms for the front suspension bolts to the body.
They're a nightmare to work on, with the engine spun backwards in the engine bay.
The "tight steering" meant nothing when coupled with a body that flexed terribly, especially on the convertible models.
Big buttons for people wearing gloves?
That's the best contribution the author can come up with in his requiem?
The fact is that people don't want to spend huge money on mediocre cars.
Saab was purchased to be placed in GM's lineup as a luxury foreign brand, much like Volvo's purchase by Ford.
The new cars were built on better platforms than the ones Saab could engineer, with all the quirkiness still intact for buyers with too much money and not enough common sense.
That GM can't give the company away, and can't make money selling weird cars is proof of this.
The year GM purchased Saab they killed off Oldsmobile.
Saab was selling ~40,000 cars per year, Olds was selling 250,000 cars per year.
They killed a brand that made them far more money in order to have a more upscale image, only to find out what people really imagined the cars to be.
They made a Saab out of a Blazer, they made a Saab out of a Subaru, and I'm sure if some marketing doofus thought it was a good idea they would have done the same with a Daewoo as well.
Saab had some interesting ideas over the years, but they were cars that were constantly broken and difficult to work on.
I've spent many years as an auto tech and diagnostician fixing these things.
I'll always have many fond memories of working on Saabs.
They've brought me so much laughter over the years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503928</id>
	<title>Re:Horrifyingly poor management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261324740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, it doesn't stop at "bad management". Basically they let Opel stab SAAB in the back by letting them use the company as a dumping ground for old unwanted parts (for instance stuff from the Ascona) that could be sold for outrageous prices via intercorporate transfers, in general overcharge the company like for instance the same engine in a SAAB would cost the car manufacturer 3-5 times more than if it was going to an Opel, they let SAAB pay wages and benefits for quite a few people who were working *exclusively* for GM and *any* venture - like for instance releasing a small, fuel efficient car was effectively stopped, because that would have competed with Opel's offerings. Also GM didn't let SAAB sell their cars directly to customers abroad, but rather had them sell them to other companies within the corporation like SAAB USA, which is a separate company, for self cost or below cost, and then have *that* company sell the car and pocket the profit.</p><p>Opel stabbed them in the back by using it's leverage within GM, GM let them. GM drained the money away, and presented it as SAAB losing money, and since that's what people want to believe the myth is quickly getting set in stone. I realize that this story is nothing unusual, but it's the real story, and it makes "mismanagement" seem like a rather bland description. "Deliberately running it aground" seems more reasonable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , it does n't stop at " bad management " .
Basically they let Opel stab SAAB in the back by letting them use the company as a dumping ground for old unwanted parts ( for instance stuff from the Ascona ) that could be sold for outrageous prices via intercorporate transfers , in general overcharge the company like for instance the same engine in a SAAB would cost the car manufacturer 3-5 times more than if it was going to an Opel , they let SAAB pay wages and benefits for quite a few people who were working * exclusively * for GM and * any * venture - like for instance releasing a small , fuel efficient car was effectively stopped , because that would have competed with Opel 's offerings .
Also GM did n't let SAAB sell their cars directly to customers abroad , but rather had them sell them to other companies within the corporation like SAAB USA , which is a separate company , for self cost or below cost , and then have * that * company sell the car and pocket the profit.Opel stabbed them in the back by using it 's leverage within GM , GM let them .
GM drained the money away , and presented it as SAAB losing money , and since that 's what people want to believe the myth is quickly getting set in stone .
I realize that this story is nothing unusual , but it 's the real story , and it makes " mismanagement " seem like a rather bland description .
" Deliberately running it aground " seems more reasonable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, it doesn't stop at "bad management".
Basically they let Opel stab SAAB in the back by letting them use the company as a dumping ground for old unwanted parts (for instance stuff from the Ascona) that could be sold for outrageous prices via intercorporate transfers, in general overcharge the company like for instance the same engine in a SAAB would cost the car manufacturer 3-5 times more than if it was going to an Opel, they let SAAB pay wages and benefits for quite a few people who were working *exclusively* for GM and *any* venture - like for instance releasing a small, fuel efficient car was effectively stopped, because that would have competed with Opel's offerings.
Also GM didn't let SAAB sell their cars directly to customers abroad, but rather had them sell them to other companies within the corporation like SAAB USA, which is a separate company, for self cost or below cost, and then have *that* company sell the car and pocket the profit.Opel stabbed them in the back by using it's leverage within GM, GM let them.
GM drained the money away, and presented it as SAAB losing money, and since that's what people want to believe the myth is quickly getting set in stone.
I realize that this story is nothing unusual, but it's the real story, and it makes "mismanagement" seem like a rather bland description.
"Deliberately running it aground" seems more reasonable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504354</id>
	<title>Re:numb driving experience</title>
	<author>BrokenHalo</author>
	<datestamp>1261328940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>they're deathly afraid of corners, and they nearly stop every time there's the slightest bend in the road.</i> <br> <br>
You could say the same about Harley-Davidson motorcycles. Back when I was in my teens we used to charitably refer to those as prams, since a pram stands a better chance of negotiating a bend in the road.<br> <br>
Having said that, I have owned several Indians which were really fun to ride...</htmltext>
<tokenext>they 're deathly afraid of corners , and they nearly stop every time there 's the slightest bend in the road .
You could say the same about Harley-Davidson motorcycles .
Back when I was in my teens we used to charitably refer to those as prams , since a pram stands a better chance of negotiating a bend in the road .
Having said that , I have owned several Indians which were really fun to ride.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they're deathly afraid of corners, and they nearly stop every time there's the slightest bend in the road.
You could say the same about Harley-Davidson motorcycles.
Back when I was in my teens we used to charitably refer to those as prams, since a pram stands a better chance of negotiating a bend in the road.
Having said that, I have owned several Indians which were really fun to ride...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503610</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261320780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are obviously not much of an engineer.</p><p>Front-heavy front-wheel-drive cars had great traction in the snow. The reverse-engine placement made a reliable and compact power-plant. Nothing special about it, and I worked on them for years, models from the '70s through the '06. There were no special parts required for brake pad replacement, just a simple tool to rotate the piston which is quite common these days (see VW for instance.) This system has become more widely  because of its superiority - the emergency brake uses disk brake pads and is integrated with the caliper, offering reliable and the best possible hand-brake.</p><p>Saab will be missed - engineering that was obviously superior, with other manufacturers later following suit with surprisingly similar designs. Such as  the now-common front wheel drive arrangement Saab began using in 1948. How about cold-rolled steel body frames with crumple zones, heated seats, the hatchback, how about a standard-production turbo? - the list goes on and on. They may not have invented each one of those items but stuck with the good stuff throughout. I am driving a '93 9000 with &gt;195k miles for a winter rat this year. That kind of mileage is not uncommon, in fact almost expected in a Saab. What companies can suggest that kind of longevity today?</p><p>It would be a shame to see a great engineering company fail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are obviously not much of an engineer.Front-heavy front-wheel-drive cars had great traction in the snow .
The reverse-engine placement made a reliable and compact power-plant .
Nothing special about it , and I worked on them for years , models from the '70s through the '06 .
There were no special parts required for brake pad replacement , just a simple tool to rotate the piston which is quite common these days ( see VW for instance .
) This system has become more widely because of its superiority - the emergency brake uses disk brake pads and is integrated with the caliper , offering reliable and the best possible hand-brake.Saab will be missed - engineering that was obviously superior , with other manufacturers later following suit with surprisingly similar designs .
Such as the now-common front wheel drive arrangement Saab began using in 1948 .
How about cold-rolled steel body frames with crumple zones , heated seats , the hatchback , how about a standard-production turbo ?
- the list goes on and on .
They may not have invented each one of those items but stuck with the good stuff throughout .
I am driving a '93 9000 with &gt; 195k miles for a winter rat this year .
That kind of mileage is not uncommon , in fact almost expected in a Saab .
What companies can suggest that kind of longevity today ? It would be a shame to see a great engineering company fail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are obviously not much of an engineer.Front-heavy front-wheel-drive cars had great traction in the snow.
The reverse-engine placement made a reliable and compact power-plant.
Nothing special about it, and I worked on them for years, models from the '70s through the '06.
There were no special parts required for brake pad replacement, just a simple tool to rotate the piston which is quite common these days (see VW for instance.
) This system has become more widely  because of its superiority - the emergency brake uses disk brake pads and is integrated with the caliper, offering reliable and the best possible hand-brake.Saab will be missed - engineering that was obviously superior, with other manufacturers later following suit with surprisingly similar designs.
Such as  the now-common front wheel drive arrangement Saab began using in 1948.
How about cold-rolled steel body frames with crumple zones, heated seats, the hatchback, how about a standard-production turbo?
- the list goes on and on.
They may not have invented each one of those items but stuck with the good stuff throughout.
I am driving a '93 9000 with &gt;195k miles for a winter rat this year.
That kind of mileage is not uncommon, in fact almost expected in a Saab.
What companies can suggest that kind of longevity today?It would be a shame to see a great engineering company fail.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503648</id>
	<title>What about the Saab Defence division?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261321140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can Gripens be had cheap?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can Gripens be had cheap ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can Gripens be had cheap?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503756</id>
	<title>Re:Cars is a thing of the past</title>
	<author>mangu</author>
	<datestamp>1261322520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Car makers have spent the last 100 years not inventing anything new</p></div></blockquote><p>Yes, <a href="http://stevelutz.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/ford-model-t.jpg" title="wordpress.com">I know </a> [wordpress.com]<a href="http://www.online-carro.com/wp-content/carros/2008/07/ford\_fusion\_2006\_5.jpg" title="online-carro.com"> what you mean</a> [online-carro.com].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Car makers have spent the last 100 years not inventing anything newYes , I know [ wordpress.com ] what you mean [ online-carro.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Car makers have spent the last 100 years not inventing anything newYes, I know  [wordpress.com] what you mean [online-carro.com].
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504692</id>
	<title>Re:Victim of its own success (sorta)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261331280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It was a statement car for people who wear dark turtleneck sweaters under their blazers while drinking single malt scotch, and can afford the extra dough for repairs.  The war stories about repairs was part of their conversation fodder (sip).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was a statement car for people who wear dark turtleneck sweaters under their blazers while drinking single malt scotch , and can afford the extra dough for repairs .
The war stories about repairs was part of their conversation fodder ( sip ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was a statement car for people who wear dark turtleneck sweaters under their blazers while drinking single malt scotch, and can afford the extra dough for repairs.
The war stories about repairs was part of their conversation fodder (sip).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30506186</id>
	<title>Re:part of our family is dead</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261299960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...james bond has never driven a saab in any of the films nor have any other supporting characters - in fact, short of some obscure background traffic cameo which i've yet to identify, the *only* appearance of a saab in the body of 007 canon were a handful of early-nineties novels...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...james bond has never driven a saab in any of the films nor have any other supporting characters - in fact , short of some obscure background traffic cameo which i 've yet to identify , the * only * appearance of a saab in the body of 007 canon were a handful of early-nineties novels.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...james bond has never driven a saab in any of the films nor have any other supporting characters - in fact, short of some obscure background traffic cameo which i've yet to identify, the *only* appearance of a saab in the body of 007 canon were a handful of early-nineties novels...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503464</id>
	<title>Saab cannot die!</title>
	<author>someme2</author>
	<datestamp>1261319220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's GPL! If you like it that much, just fork it and the community will... wait, oh, I see. Sorry, never mind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's GPL !
If you like it that much , just fork it and the community will... wait , oh , I see .
Sorry , never mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's GPL!
If you like it that much, just fork it and the community will... wait, oh, I see.
Sorry, never mind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503542</id>
	<title>Before SAAB was bought up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261320060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>by GM they made beautiful and wonderful cars. After GM got their dirty gready little mints on the maker Saab cars started looking more like most american cars: UGLY!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>by GM they made beautiful and wonderful cars .
After GM got their dirty gready little mints on the maker Saab cars started looking more like most american cars : UGLY !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>by GM they made beautiful and wonderful cars.
After GM got their dirty gready little mints on the maker Saab cars started looking more like most american cars: UGLY!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30508528</id>
	<title>Re:Victim of its own success (sorta)</title>
	<author>BuffaloBill</author>
	<datestamp>1261324320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Number one choice among banking executives?  No way!  Ask your Repo man, it was the hardest car to steal.  The ignition key on the console to the coil had a steel cable.  In order to repo one we had to bring our own coil to hotwire it.   We booked off sick when asked to bring one in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Number one choice among banking executives ?
No way !
Ask your Repo man , it was the hardest car to steal .
The ignition key on the console to the coil had a steel cable .
In order to repo one we had to bring our own coil to hotwire it .
We booked off sick when asked to bring one in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Number one choice among banking executives?
No way!
Ask your Repo man, it was the hardest car to steal.
The ignition key on the console to the coil had a steel cable.
In order to repo one we had to bring our own coil to hotwire it.
We booked off sick when asked to bring one in.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503534</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504862</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261332600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I am driving a '93 9000 with &gt;195k miles for a winter rat this year. That kind of mileage is not uncommon, in fact almost expected in a Saab. What companies can suggest that kind of longevity today?</p></div><p>Uh, just about any.  Not too long ago I was driving a $250 1986 Ford Escort L (the low-end model) that had 180k miles on it and it probably would have easily went another 100k if the person I sold it to didn't total it.  The car was is excellent shape, ran great, perfect interior, even the paint wasn't bad and it had no rust.  Was my favorite car for bashing around in the ice and snow.</p><p>There are lemons out there that are just plain crappy but there are many more good cars from practically all manufacturers.  A well maintained car is a well maintained car.  It's just that most people don't take care of a cheap car, therefore they tend to break (which would happen with <em>any</em> car if not maintained).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am driving a '93 9000 with &gt; 195k miles for a winter rat this year .
That kind of mileage is not uncommon , in fact almost expected in a Saab .
What companies can suggest that kind of longevity today ? Uh , just about any .
Not too long ago I was driving a $ 250 1986 Ford Escort L ( the low-end model ) that had 180k miles on it and it probably would have easily went another 100k if the person I sold it to did n't total it .
The car was is excellent shape , ran great , perfect interior , even the paint was n't bad and it had no rust .
Was my favorite car for bashing around in the ice and snow.There are lemons out there that are just plain crappy but there are many more good cars from practically all manufacturers .
A well maintained car is a well maintained car .
It 's just that most people do n't take care of a cheap car , therefore they tend to break ( which would happen with any car if not maintained ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am driving a '93 9000 with &gt;195k miles for a winter rat this year.
That kind of mileage is not uncommon, in fact almost expected in a Saab.
What companies can suggest that kind of longevity today?Uh, just about any.
Not too long ago I was driving a $250 1986 Ford Escort L (the low-end model) that had 180k miles on it and it probably would have easily went another 100k if the person I sold it to didn't total it.
The car was is excellent shape, ran great, perfect interior, even the paint wasn't bad and it had no rust.
Was my favorite car for bashing around in the ice and snow.There are lemons out there that are just plain crappy but there are many more good cars from practically all manufacturers.
A well maintained car is a well maintained car.
It's just that most people don't take care of a cheap car, therefore they tend to break (which would happen with any car if not maintained).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503610</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505598</id>
	<title>I love Saab!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261338660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My first car being a Saab, I loved it. A mid '90s Saab 9.5 with the bigger 3.0 litre V6. The performance was better than my Taurus SHO and definetly better than my Buick LeSabre or Cadillac DeVille. Great gas milage. Super Charged. Vented leather seats. Oh, and in Ohio here, it performed better in the snow than most SUVs. Beautiful car. Oh, and one wonderful thing about Saabs are that some models allow cast blocks, less wear and deals better with temperature changes, just heavier..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My first car being a Saab , I loved it .
A mid '90s Saab 9.5 with the bigger 3.0 litre V6 .
The performance was better than my Taurus SHO and definetly better than my Buick LeSabre or Cadillac DeVille .
Great gas milage .
Super Charged .
Vented leather seats .
Oh , and in Ohio here , it performed better in the snow than most SUVs .
Beautiful car .
Oh , and one wonderful thing about Saabs are that some models allow cast blocks , less wear and deals better with temperature changes , just heavier. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My first car being a Saab, I loved it.
A mid '90s Saab 9.5 with the bigger 3.0 litre V6.
The performance was better than my Taurus SHO and definetly better than my Buick LeSabre or Cadillac DeVille.
Great gas milage.
Super Charged.
Vented leather seats.
Oh, and in Ohio here, it performed better in the snow than most SUVs.
Beautiful car.
Oh, and one wonderful thing about Saabs are that some models allow cast blocks, less wear and deals better with temperature changes, just heavier..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30506482</id>
	<title>I learned to drive in a 1967 Saab 96</title>
	<author>dr2chase</author>
	<datestamp>1261302540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>2 stroke, 3 cylinders, 3 barrel carburetor.  4 speed on the column.  Dual diagonal braking, unibody construction, aircraft seat/shoulder belts.  The 2-strokes were sadly, badly, filthy.</p><p>Parts on the car were half-metric, half-English.  Many of the electronics were by Lucas, Prince of Darkness.</p><p>Over time, rebuilt two transmissions, several clutches, several sets of brakes, replaced some body panels.  Eventually worked on the engine some, also once swapped front brakes, drum for disk.</p><p>My brother totalled two of them, one with the able assistance of a speeding drunk from the rear, the other as a solo effort, rolling the car and denting every body panel.  Both times, nobody was hurt.</p><p>Bought two Saab 95s (station wagons, one V-4, the other 3-cylinder), one for $100, the other for $50, combined them to make one car, drove it from one side of the country to the other.</p><p>The old Saabs were damn fun cars, even though they had itty-bitty engines (820-850cc) producing barely 50hp.  In terms of "bang for the buck", they were a total win.  The only car I've ever had all 4 wheels off the ground, was a Saab.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>2 stroke , 3 cylinders , 3 barrel carburetor .
4 speed on the column .
Dual diagonal braking , unibody construction , aircraft seat/shoulder belts .
The 2-strokes were sadly , badly , filthy.Parts on the car were half-metric , half-English .
Many of the electronics were by Lucas , Prince of Darkness.Over time , rebuilt two transmissions , several clutches , several sets of brakes , replaced some body panels .
Eventually worked on the engine some , also once swapped front brakes , drum for disk.My brother totalled two of them , one with the able assistance of a speeding drunk from the rear , the other as a solo effort , rolling the car and denting every body panel .
Both times , nobody was hurt.Bought two Saab 95s ( station wagons , one V-4 , the other 3-cylinder ) , one for $ 100 , the other for $ 50 , combined them to make one car , drove it from one side of the country to the other.The old Saabs were damn fun cars , even though they had itty-bitty engines ( 820-850cc ) producing barely 50hp .
In terms of " bang for the buck " , they were a total win .
The only car I 've ever had all 4 wheels off the ground , was a Saab .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2 stroke, 3 cylinders, 3 barrel carburetor.
4 speed on the column.
Dual diagonal braking, unibody construction, aircraft seat/shoulder belts.
The 2-strokes were sadly, badly, filthy.Parts on the car were half-metric, half-English.
Many of the electronics were by Lucas, Prince of Darkness.Over time, rebuilt two transmissions, several clutches, several sets of brakes, replaced some body panels.
Eventually worked on the engine some, also once swapped front brakes, drum for disk.My brother totalled two of them, one with the able assistance of a speeding drunk from the rear, the other as a solo effort, rolling the car and denting every body panel.
Both times, nobody was hurt.Bought two Saab 95s (station wagons, one V-4, the other 3-cylinder), one for $100, the other for $50, combined them to make one car, drove it from one side of the country to the other.The old Saabs were damn fun cars, even though they had itty-bitty engines (820-850cc) producing barely 50hp.
In terms of "bang for the buck", they were a total win.
The only car I've ever had all 4 wheels off the ground, was a Saab.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30514880</id>
	<title>Re:Near-Death Experience of Saab</title>
	<author>yurtinus</author>
	<datestamp>1261423920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't think you could argue the Saabaru as a "single act that ended Saab." It was yet another sign of trouble-- but I think what killed Saab is global vehicle homogenization. The Saab problem is the same as the Saturn, Pontiac, etc problem-- One car with different prices attached to different badges and few meaningful differences between them. For a short time this might have worked, but soon entry level models under different marques are diluting the value of the "premium" cars. I wouldn't say Saab has a "mystique." I'd say they *had* interesting cars with some unique features-- once those interesting cars and unique features went away you really didn't have a Saab.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think you could argue the Saabaru as a " single act that ended Saab .
" It was yet another sign of trouble-- but I think what killed Saab is global vehicle homogenization .
The Saab problem is the same as the Saturn , Pontiac , etc problem-- One car with different prices attached to different badges and few meaningful differences between them .
For a short time this might have worked , but soon entry level models under different marques are diluting the value of the " premium " cars .
I would n't say Saab has a " mystique .
" I 'd say they * had * interesting cars with some unique features-- once those interesting cars and unique features went away you really did n't have a Saab .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think you could argue the Saabaru as a "single act that ended Saab.
" It was yet another sign of trouble-- but I think what killed Saab is global vehicle homogenization.
The Saab problem is the same as the Saturn, Pontiac, etc problem-- One car with different prices attached to different badges and few meaningful differences between them.
For a short time this might have worked, but soon entry level models under different marques are diluting the value of the "premium" cars.
I wouldn't say Saab has a "mystique.
" I'd say they *had* interesting cars with some unique features-- once those interesting cars and unique features went away you really didn't have a Saab.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503680</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503470</id>
	<title>Cars is a thing of the past</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261319280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really hope this isn't the last car maker biting it. Car makers have spent the last 100 years not inventing anything new. It's about bloody time we, or the market or whatever your belief system dictates, punish them for their lack of progress.</p><p>Personally though, I hoped a lot on the chinese bying the swedish car legacy (both SAAB and Volvo Cars) and turn it into crappy chinese stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really hope this is n't the last car maker biting it .
Car makers have spent the last 100 years not inventing anything new .
It 's about bloody time we , or the market or whatever your belief system dictates , punish them for their lack of progress.Personally though , I hoped a lot on the chinese bying the swedish car legacy ( both SAAB and Volvo Cars ) and turn it into crappy chinese stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really hope this isn't the last car maker biting it.
Car makers have spent the last 100 years not inventing anything new.
It's about bloody time we, or the market or whatever your belief system dictates, punish them for their lack of progress.Personally though, I hoped a lot on the chinese bying the swedish car legacy (both SAAB and Volvo Cars) and turn it into crappy chinese stuff.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30507196</id>
	<title>Re:New bid..</title>
	<author>kimvette</author>
	<datestamp>1261308600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it is UAW influence which is killing the Saab offers. They (GM) have been receiving GREAT offers, and the only other option on the table is to kill off the brand. When they can get half a million for the brand, or the other option is to take a total loss, and they choose the total loss option, there is obviously something fishy and corrupt involved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it is UAW influence which is killing the Saab offers .
They ( GM ) have been receiving GREAT offers , and the only other option on the table is to kill off the brand .
When they can get half a million for the brand , or the other option is to take a total loss , and they choose the total loss option , there is obviously something fishy and corrupt involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it is UAW influence which is killing the Saab offers.
They (GM) have been receiving GREAT offers, and the only other option on the table is to kill off the brand.
When they can get half a million for the brand, or the other option is to take a total loss, and they choose the total loss option, there is obviously something fishy and corrupt involved.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503486</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30509384</id>
	<title>Re:Speaking for myself as a Swedish brick driver,</title>
	<author>rhomp2002</author>
	<datestamp>1261334760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Guess you are not interested in Vauxhall or Opel then either.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Guess you are not interested in Vauxhall or Opel then either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guess you are not interested in Vauxhall or Opel then either.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503502</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30508580</id>
	<title>And nobody should care</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261324980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fuck American car companies. I feel for Saab, but I love seeing GM circle the drain. Lets just hope our dumb-shit government doesn't bail them out next time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fuck American car companies .
I feel for Saab , but I love seeing GM circle the drain .
Lets just hope our dumb-shit government does n't bail them out next time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fuck American car companies.
I feel for Saab, but I love seeing GM circle the drain.
Lets just hope our dumb-shit government doesn't bail them out next time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503494</id>
	<title>numb driving experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261319640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've never driven a Saab and have no opinion on how they fared in this way.</p><p>But what is it with Americans preferring numb cars that totally insulate them from what the car is doing?  They all seem to like very mushy suspensions where the car tips around corners, and automatic transmissions.  Then, because they drive very tippy cars with very high centre of gravity, they're deathly afraid of corners, and they nearly stop every time there's the slightest bend in the road.</p><p>It seems the automotive equivalent of removing all the taste from one's food.  Sure, it'll still keep you alive, but you go through your life eating bland and boring food.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never driven a Saab and have no opinion on how they fared in this way.But what is it with Americans preferring numb cars that totally insulate them from what the car is doing ?
They all seem to like very mushy suspensions where the car tips around corners , and automatic transmissions .
Then , because they drive very tippy cars with very high centre of gravity , they 're deathly afraid of corners , and they nearly stop every time there 's the slightest bend in the road.It seems the automotive equivalent of removing all the taste from one 's food .
Sure , it 'll still keep you alive , but you go through your life eating bland and boring food .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never driven a Saab and have no opinion on how they fared in this way.But what is it with Americans preferring numb cars that totally insulate them from what the car is doing?
They all seem to like very mushy suspensions where the car tips around corners, and automatic transmissions.
Then, because they drive very tippy cars with very high centre of gravity, they're deathly afraid of corners, and they nearly stop every time there's the slightest bend in the road.It seems the automotive equivalent of removing all the taste from one's food.
Sure, it'll still keep you alive, but you go through your life eating bland and boring food.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30515654</id>
	<title>Saab has long been destroyed by GM</title>
	<author>Shompol</author>
	<datestamp>1261427400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.edmunds.com/saab/97x/review.html" title="edmunds.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.edmunds.com/saab/97x/review.html</a> [edmunds.com]
<br> <br>
This is just the conclusion</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.edmunds.com/saab/97x/review.html [ edmunds.com ] This is just the conclusion</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.edmunds.com/saab/97x/review.html [edmunds.com]
 
This is just the conclusion</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30508074</id>
	<title>Re:They can't die fast enough...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261319040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The year GM purchased Saab they killed off Oldsmobile.</p></div><p>What?  They bought Saab in 1989, the last of the Olds were shipped in 2004.  I really doubt the Saab purchase had much to do with them shutting down the Oldmobile line 10 over years later.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The year GM purchased Saab they killed off Oldsmobile.What ?
They bought Saab in 1989 , the last of the Olds were shipped in 2004 .
I really doubt the Saab purchase had much to do with them shutting down the Oldmobile line 10 over years later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The year GM purchased Saab they killed off Oldsmobile.What?
They bought Saab in 1989, the last of the Olds were shipped in 2004.
I really doubt the Saab purchase had much to do with them shutting down the Oldmobile line 10 over years later.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503524</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30510406</id>
	<title>Eheh, where is the american Beetle</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1261394280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Explain please why disney used a german car and spielberg a british car then?
</p><p>Where is the Jaguar E-type? Where is the american Mini-cooper? And I could go on and on. US cars just don't compete.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Explain please why disney used a german car and spielberg a british car then ?
Where is the Jaguar E-type ?
Where is the american Mini-cooper ?
And I could go on and on .
US cars just do n't compete .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Explain please why disney used a german car and spielberg a british car then?
Where is the Jaguar E-type?
Where is the american Mini-cooper?
And I could go on and on.
US cars just don't compete.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30506312</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30506516</id>
	<title>Life support...</title>
	<author>uvajed\_ekil</author>
	<datestamp>1261302780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...but not dead yet. There is news today that Spyker has changed their offer.

<br> <br>
<a href="http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/20/autos/saab\_gm\_spyker\_offer/index.htm" title="cnn.com">http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/20/autos/saab\_gm\_spyker\_offer/index.htm</a> [cnn.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>...but not dead yet .
There is news today that Spyker has changed their offer .
http : //money.cnn.com/2009/12/20/autos/saab \ _gm \ _spyker \ _offer/index.htm [ cnn.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...but not dead yet.
There is news today that Spyker has changed their offer.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/20/autos/saab\_gm\_spyker\_offer/index.htm [cnn.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503676</id>
	<title>Re:And why do I care?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261321500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Where is all the fanfare for Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Plymouth &amp; Saturn?"</p><p>It's safe to presume that most of us who hang out on Slashdot don't have an interest in<br>cars which had mediocre engineering and even worse than mediocre build quality.</p><p>Frankly, if you cannot discern that SAAB was very different from the above brands,<br>you don't know much about cars. But then you've already demonstrated that by your<br>absurd suggestions regarding the Fisker Karma or the Tesla. Has anyone ever told<br>you that sometimes it's best just to remain silent and in so doing not confirm suspicions<br>that you are a fool ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Where is all the fanfare for Oldsmobile , Pontiac , Plymouth &amp; Saturn ?
" It 's safe to presume that most of us who hang out on Slashdot do n't have an interest incars which had mediocre engineering and even worse than mediocre build quality.Frankly , if you can not discern that SAAB was very different from the above brands,you do n't know much about cars .
But then you 've already demonstrated that by yourabsurd suggestions regarding the Fisker Karma or the Tesla .
Has anyone ever toldyou that sometimes it 's best just to remain silent and in so doing not confirm suspicionsthat you are a fool ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Where is all the fanfare for Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Plymouth &amp; Saturn?
"It's safe to presume that most of us who hang out on Slashdot don't have an interest incars which had mediocre engineering and even worse than mediocre build quality.Frankly, if you cannot discern that SAAB was very different from the above brands,you don't know much about cars.
But then you've already demonstrated that by yourabsurd suggestions regarding the Fisker Karma or the Tesla.
Has anyone ever toldyou that sometimes it's best just to remain silent and in so doing not confirm suspicionsthat you are a fool ?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503446</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30534110</id>
	<title>Re:Near-Death Experience of Saab</title>
	<author>sglines</author>
	<datestamp>1259758440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had, until recently, a 2000 model year Saab model 95. It was the most comfortable car I have ever owned but the most expensive to maintain. There were 22 pumps (I kid you not) and I think I replaced almost half at an average of $600 per pump. I'm not sure what happened but the automotive part of Saab was not well designed and reminded me of an old Fiat I once had only an order of magnitude more expensive to fix.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had , until recently , a 2000 model year Saab model 95 .
It was the most comfortable car I have ever owned but the most expensive to maintain .
There were 22 pumps ( I kid you not ) and I think I replaced almost half at an average of $ 600 per pump .
I 'm not sure what happened but the automotive part of Saab was not well designed and reminded me of an old Fiat I once had only an order of magnitude more expensive to fix .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had, until recently, a 2000 model year Saab model 95.
It was the most comfortable car I have ever owned but the most expensive to maintain.
There were 22 pumps (I kid you not) and I think I replaced almost half at an average of $600 per pump.
I'm not sure what happened but the automotive part of Saab was not well designed and reminded me of an old Fiat I once had only an order of magnitude more expensive to fix.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505228</id>
	<title>Re:They can't die fast enough...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261335360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Buick == Oldsmobile for the last 30-odd years of the existence of the latter.  Anyone who bought an Olds prior to 2004 went out and bought Buicks afterwards.  You can even see that in Buick's sales numbers, less some decline as Buicks and Olds couldn't compete except for the AARP crowd.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Buick = = Oldsmobile for the last 30-odd years of the existence of the latter .
Anyone who bought an Olds prior to 2004 went out and bought Buicks afterwards .
You can even see that in Buick 's sales numbers , less some decline as Buicks and Olds could n't compete except for the AARP crowd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Buick == Oldsmobile for the last 30-odd years of the existence of the latter.
Anyone who bought an Olds prior to 2004 went out and bought Buicks afterwards.
You can even see that in Buick's sales numbers, less some decline as Buicks and Olds couldn't compete except for the AARP crowd.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30506276</id>
	<title>GM improved the Saab 93 tremendously</title>
	<author>VTEngineer</author>
	<datestamp>1261300740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>they made it more reliable. I talked to a Saab mechanic and he told me to be very happy I had a 2001 93. GM improved many things in the Saab to make it more reliable. I have no reason to doubt him. He gave me specifics that have long since slipped my mind, but GM failed Saab in marketing, not platform.</htmltext>
<tokenext>they made it more reliable .
I talked to a Saab mechanic and he told me to be very happy I had a 2001 93 .
GM improved many things in the Saab to make it more reliable .
I have no reason to doubt him .
He gave me specifics that have long since slipped my mind , but GM failed Saab in marketing , not platform .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they made it more reliable.
I talked to a Saab mechanic and he told me to be very happy I had a 2001 93.
GM improved many things in the Saab to make it more reliable.
I have no reason to doubt him.
He gave me specifics that have long since slipped my mind, but GM failed Saab in marketing, not platform.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505638</id>
	<title>Re:And why do I care?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261338960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because the weren't *interesting* like those weird old Saabs were.</p><p>When I was at MIT back in early 80s, I knew a lot of guys whose dads worked at think-tanky engineering labs like Draper, Mitre and Lincoln. It seemed like half of those dads had at least one Saab.  The weird two strokes were the most prized.  A friend of mine fell dozed off while driving one up to NH and drifted onto the median strip.  The car rolled over (he claims) three times, ending up on its roof.  He walked away literally without a scratch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because the were n't * interesting * like those weird old Saabs were.When I was at MIT back in early 80s , I knew a lot of guys whose dads worked at think-tanky engineering labs like Draper , Mitre and Lincoln .
It seemed like half of those dads had at least one Saab .
The weird two strokes were the most prized .
A friend of mine fell dozed off while driving one up to NH and drifted onto the median strip .
The car rolled over ( he claims ) three times , ending up on its roof .
He walked away literally without a scratch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because the weren't *interesting* like those weird old Saabs were.When I was at MIT back in early 80s, I knew a lot of guys whose dads worked at think-tanky engineering labs like Draper, Mitre and Lincoln.
It seemed like half of those dads had at least one Saab.
The weird two strokes were the most prized.
A friend of mine fell dozed off while driving one up to NH and drifted onto the median strip.
The car rolled over (he claims) three times, ending up on its roof.
He walked away literally without a scratch.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503422</id>
	<title>Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261318380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>'It wasn't designed to be a fashion statement,' says Ron Pinelli, president of Autodata, which tracks industry statistics. 'It was designed to provide transportation under miserable weather conditions.'</p></div><p>Is that why they built a bunch of intensely front-heavy FWD vehicles with atrocious understeer?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Many Saab owners consider the brand's glory days to be the 1980s, when Americans began buying cars again after a recession and energy crisis. 'The cars were communicative,' says Pinelli. 'They didn't try to numb the experience like cars do today.'</p></div><p>They also had reverse-mounted engines (well, in the 900) which do little to nothing to improve driving but which make them more difficult to maintain, and expensive parts. You need special parts just to do a brake pad replacement in a Saab 900. Fuck you Saab, you deserve to be dead.</p></div>
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<tokenext>'It was n't designed to be a fashion statement, ' says Ron Pinelli , president of Autodata , which tracks industry statistics .
'It was designed to provide transportation under miserable weather conditions .
'Is that why they built a bunch of intensely front-heavy FWD vehicles with atrocious understeer ? Many Saab owners consider the brand 's glory days to be the 1980s , when Americans began buying cars again after a recession and energy crisis .
'The cars were communicative, ' says Pinelli .
'They did n't try to numb the experience like cars do today .
'They also had reverse-mounted engines ( well , in the 900 ) which do little to nothing to improve driving but which make them more difficult to maintain , and expensive parts .
You need special parts just to do a brake pad replacement in a Saab 900 .
Fuck you Saab , you deserve to be dead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'It wasn't designed to be a fashion statement,' says Ron Pinelli, president of Autodata, which tracks industry statistics.
'It was designed to provide transportation under miserable weather conditions.
'Is that why they built a bunch of intensely front-heavy FWD vehicles with atrocious understeer?Many Saab owners consider the brand's glory days to be the 1980s, when Americans began buying cars again after a recession and energy crisis.
'The cars were communicative,' says Pinelli.
'They didn't try to numb the experience like cars do today.
'They also had reverse-mounted engines (well, in the 900) which do little to nothing to improve driving but which make them more difficult to maintain, and expensive parts.
You need special parts just to do a brake pad replacement in a Saab 900.
Fuck you Saab, you deserve to be dead.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30506250</id>
	<title>China?</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1261300440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm surprised a China-based co hasn't purchased it. China has the cash (thanks to lopsided trading) and the will to get into the car biz.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised a China-based co has n't purchased it .
China has the cash ( thanks to lopsided trading ) and the will to get into the car biz .
     </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised a China-based co hasn't purchased it.
China has the cash (thanks to lopsided trading) and the will to get into the car biz.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504688</id>
	<title>Re:They can't die fast enough...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261331280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My 99, 9-5 has never had any problems outside of general wear and tear.</p><p>In fact, recently the 9-5 was named a consumer reports best buy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My 99 , 9-5 has never had any problems outside of general wear and tear.In fact , recently the 9-5 was named a consumer reports best buy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My 99, 9-5 has never had any problems outside of general wear and tear.In fact, recently the 9-5 was named a consumer reports best buy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30507450</id>
	<title>Re:Cars is a thing of the past</title>
	<author>Myopic</author>
	<datestamp>1261311060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I disagree. Car makers have invented lots of stuff over the course of the development of the internal combustion engine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I disagree .
Car makers have invented lots of stuff over the course of the development of the internal combustion engine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I disagree.
Car makers have invented lots of stuff over the course of the development of the internal combustion engine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503780</id>
	<title>Re:Cars is a thing of the past</title>
	<author>KDR\_11k</author>
	<datestamp>1261322940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a very narrow definition of new. What would it take for you to declare their product new, a flying car?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a very narrow definition of new .
What would it take for you to declare their product new , a flying car ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a very narrow definition of new.
What would it take for you to declare their product new, a flying car?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503446</id>
	<title>And why do I care?</title>
	<author>wjsteele</author>
	<datestamp>1261318920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Really?  Does this belong on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.?  Where is all the fanfare for Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Plymouth &amp; Saturn?  Companies come and go.  New ones will come along and replace them.<br> <br>

I've got an idea... how about everybody who liked Saabs go out and order a <a href="http://karma.fiskerautomotive.com/" title="fiskerautomotive.com">Fisker Karma</a> [fiskerautomotive.com] or the <a href="http://www.teslamotors.com/models/index.php" title="teslamotors.com">Tesla Model S</a> [teslamotors.com]!<br> <br>

Bill</htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
Does this belong on /. ?
Where is all the fanfare for Oldsmobile , Pontiac , Plymouth &amp; Saturn ?
Companies come and go .
New ones will come along and replace them .
I 've got an idea... how about everybody who liked Saabs go out and order a Fisker Karma [ fiskerautomotive.com ] or the Tesla Model S [ teslamotors.com ] !
Bill</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
Does this belong on /.?
Where is all the fanfare for Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Plymouth &amp; Saturn?
Companies come and go.
New ones will come along and replace them.
I've got an idea... how about everybody who liked Saabs go out and order a Fisker Karma [fiskerautomotive.com] or the Tesla Model S [teslamotors.com]!
Bill</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30506548</id>
	<title>Sweet Saab</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261303080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I drive a 1990 900se. Of course i've spent a bunch of money keeping this up this year(recently new exhaust/tires/shocks and voltage regulator) still less than the Mini Clubman I'd buy if I HAD to buy a new car. But i like it. I like it  a lot. for a 20 year old car I've had folks stop me and say it's a beauty. And it glows atfer a simple car wash(someone stole the 20 year old Apple sticker I had taped to the window at the car wash though!) -<br>This car replaced a 1996 escort that was a decrepit p.o.s. I will agree the best thing  about it is the heat and and that once you've cleared the snow off the top you can open the sunroof and let the cool air in.<br>the 1990 Saab has a classic look ("the seinfeld") that is wicked pissah as they say here in new england. That's what counts isn't it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I drive a 1990 900se .
Of course i 've spent a bunch of money keeping this up this year ( recently new exhaust/tires/shocks and voltage regulator ) still less than the Mini Clubman I 'd buy if I HAD to buy a new car .
But i like it .
I like it a lot .
for a 20 year old car I 've had folks stop me and say it 's a beauty .
And it glows atfer a simple car wash ( someone stole the 20 year old Apple sticker I had taped to the window at the car wash though !
) -This car replaced a 1996 escort that was a decrepit p.o.s .
I will agree the best thing about it is the heat and and that once you 've cleared the snow off the top you can open the sunroof and let the cool air in.the 1990 Saab has a classic look ( " the seinfeld " ) that is wicked pissah as they say here in new england .
That 's what counts is n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I drive a 1990 900se.
Of course i've spent a bunch of money keeping this up this year(recently new exhaust/tires/shocks and voltage regulator) still less than the Mini Clubman I'd buy if I HAD to buy a new car.
But i like it.
I like it  a lot.
for a 20 year old car I've had folks stop me and say it's a beauty.
And it glows atfer a simple car wash(someone stole the 20 year old Apple sticker I had taped to the window at the car wash though!
) -This car replaced a 1996 escort that was a decrepit p.o.s.
I will agree the best thing  about it is the heat and and that once you've cleared the snow off the top you can open the sunroof and let the cool air in.the 1990 Saab has a classic look ("the seinfeld") that is wicked pissah as they say here in new england.
That's what counts isn't it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504018</id>
	<title>Re:And why do I care?</title>
	<author>bobdotorg</author>
	<datestamp>1261325940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Really? Does this belong on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.? Where is all the fanfare for Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Plymouth &amp; Saturn? Companies come and go. New ones will come along and replace them.</p><p>I've got an idea... how about everybody who liked Saabs go out and order a Fisker Karma or the Tesla Model S!</p><p>Bill</p></div></blockquote><p>This is news for nerds for a few reasons:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; SAABs are in some ways the Slashdot user of the car world: geeky, high tech, innovative, uncommon...</p><p>Though I'm not sure which car you would be, suggesting that SAAB lovers go plonk down $100,000 for a replacement.</p><p>A few of SAABs innovations, cut and pasted from:<br><a href="http://www.saabmuseum.com/innovations/index.html" title="saabmuseum.com">http://www.saabmuseum.com/innovations/index.html</a> [saabmuseum.com]</p><p>1947 The Saab 92 is presented, with a streamlined, stressed-skin steel body. Thanks in part to a completely smooth underside; the Cd value for the Saab 92.001 is no more than 0.32. The engine is a two-cylinder two-stroke, transversely mounted ahead of the front axle.</p><p>1953 Preheating of the induction air, to prevent icing in the carburettor, is introduced in December on the 1954 models.</p><p>1958 The GT 750 is Saab's first model to have factory fitted seat belts.</p><p>1960 Ventilation system of through-flow type with effective extraction behind the side windows.</p><p>1961 An air "slicer", intended to keep the rear window clear, is introduced on the Saab 95 in March.</p><p>1962 From January, all cars for Sweden are fitted with seat belts in front.</p><p>1963 Diagonally divided brake system with double brake circuits on all Saabs of 1964 models.</p><p>1967 The Saab 99 is presented, among other things with a double-jointed steering column of safety type, a safety body with crumple zones at front and rear and the starter switch on the floor between the front seats.</p><p>1969 As the 1970 model, the Company releases the 99E Automatic, the first Saab with an automatic gearbox and electronic fuel injection. Head restraints, of a unique Saab design, are offered as an extra on all models.</p><p>1970 Headlamp wipers and washers, a world "first", are introduced on the 1971 models.</p><p>1971 Two unique Saab innovations are presented on the 1972 models: an electrically heated driving seat and self-repairing (up to 8 kph, 5 mph) bumpers.</p><p>1972 Protecting members in the doors and glass-fibre headlinings as crash protection are introduced on the "99s" of 1973.</p><p>1973 Front seats with integrated head restraints are introduced on the 1974 models.</p><p>1976 Exhaust cleaning with a 3-way catalytic converter and a lambda sensor are introduced on cars for the U.S. Saab unveils its turbo concept in August, the first Saab 99 Turbo goes on sale a year later as a 1978 model.</p><p>1978 Yet another world "first" is introduced with the Saab 900: the unique compartment air filter. The Saab 900 also has a safety-type steering column with a telescopically collapsible steering shaft and a sheet-steel crumple bellows.</p><p>1980 The APC system protects the engine from injurious knocking due to uneven fuel quality and enables the engine to be run on petrol of various octane ratings. The APC system goes in production on the 1982 Saab 900 Turbo.</p><p>1981 A wide-angle rear-view mirror is introduced on the driver's side of the 1982 models.</p><p>1982 Beginning with the 1983 models, Saab fits all its cars with asbestos-free brake linings.</p><p>1983 In March Saab presents a new development of the 2-litre engine, with double overhead camshafts, 16 valves and domed combustion chambers having centrally sited sparking plugs. With a turbo and intercooler, the engine is capable of 200 hp (160 hp in series production) - while still burning 10\% less fuel than the corresponding turbo car with two valves per cylinder.</p><p>1985 At the Stockholm Motor Show Saab presents the direct-ignition system, Saab DI, with an ignition coil for each cylinder. Automatic belt tensioners are introduced on the 1986 models of the Saab 9000.</p><p>1986 The Saab 9000 of the 1987 model becomes the first front-wheel-drive car to offer ABS brakes.</p><p>1988 Airbag on the driver's side, Saab Traction Control and climate-adapted exhaust cleaning.</p><p>1989 Plastic parts are marked for recycling.</p><p>1990 The term "light-pressure turbo' enters the automotive language when Saab launches a new way to use turbo-charging.</p><p>1991 Saab is the first carmaker to present a freon-free (CFC-free) air-conditioning system.</p><p>1992 Saab presents its Trionic engine-control system with a 32-bit microprocessor.</p><p>1993 Automatic clutch: the Saab Sensonic is offered on the Saab 900 Turbo.</p><p>1995 Saab launches the idea of Ecopower as an overall concept for all turbo-charged engines. At the Motor Show in Frankfurt it presents an engine-development project featuring asymmetric turbo-charging of a V6.</p><p>1996 Saab presents an active head restraint (SAHR, Saab Active Head Restraint) that is in course of development and goes in production with the new Saab 9-5.</p><p>1997 Yet another Saab innovation: ventilated front seats. It is the first time a passenger car, the new Saab 9-5, is offered with this feature.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
Does this belong on /. ?
Where is all the fanfare for Oldsmobile , Pontiac , Plymouth &amp; Saturn ?
Companies come and go .
New ones will come along and replace them.I 've got an idea... how about everybody who liked Saabs go out and order a Fisker Karma or the Tesla Model S ! BillThis is news for nerds for a few reasons :       SAABs are in some ways the Slashdot user of the car world : geeky , high tech , innovative , uncommon...Though I 'm not sure which car you would be , suggesting that SAAB lovers go plonk down $ 100,000 for a replacement.A few of SAABs innovations , cut and pasted from : http : //www.saabmuseum.com/innovations/index.html [ saabmuseum.com ] 1947 The Saab 92 is presented , with a streamlined , stressed-skin steel body .
Thanks in part to a completely smooth underside ; the Cd value for the Saab 92.001 is no more than 0.32 .
The engine is a two-cylinder two-stroke , transversely mounted ahead of the front axle.1953 Preheating of the induction air , to prevent icing in the carburettor , is introduced in December on the 1954 models.1958 The GT 750 is Saab 's first model to have factory fitted seat belts.1960 Ventilation system of through-flow type with effective extraction behind the side windows.1961 An air " slicer " , intended to keep the rear window clear , is introduced on the Saab 95 in March.1962 From January , all cars for Sweden are fitted with seat belts in front.1963 Diagonally divided brake system with double brake circuits on all Saabs of 1964 models.1967 The Saab 99 is presented , among other things with a double-jointed steering column of safety type , a safety body with crumple zones at front and rear and the starter switch on the floor between the front seats.1969 As the 1970 model , the Company releases the 99E Automatic , the first Saab with an automatic gearbox and electronic fuel injection .
Head restraints , of a unique Saab design , are offered as an extra on all models.1970 Headlamp wipers and washers , a world " first " , are introduced on the 1971 models.1971 Two unique Saab innovations are presented on the 1972 models : an electrically heated driving seat and self-repairing ( up to 8 kph , 5 mph ) bumpers.1972 Protecting members in the doors and glass-fibre headlinings as crash protection are introduced on the " 99s " of 1973.1973 Front seats with integrated head restraints are introduced on the 1974 models.1976 Exhaust cleaning with a 3-way catalytic converter and a lambda sensor are introduced on cars for the U.S. Saab unveils its turbo concept in August , the first Saab 99 Turbo goes on sale a year later as a 1978 model.1978 Yet another world " first " is introduced with the Saab 900 : the unique compartment air filter .
The Saab 900 also has a safety-type steering column with a telescopically collapsible steering shaft and a sheet-steel crumple bellows.1980 The APC system protects the engine from injurious knocking due to uneven fuel quality and enables the engine to be run on petrol of various octane ratings .
The APC system goes in production on the 1982 Saab 900 Turbo.1981 A wide-angle rear-view mirror is introduced on the driver 's side of the 1982 models.1982 Beginning with the 1983 models , Saab fits all its cars with asbestos-free brake linings.1983 In March Saab presents a new development of the 2-litre engine , with double overhead camshafts , 16 valves and domed combustion chambers having centrally sited sparking plugs .
With a turbo and intercooler , the engine is capable of 200 hp ( 160 hp in series production ) - while still burning 10 \ % less fuel than the corresponding turbo car with two valves per cylinder.1985 At the Stockholm Motor Show Saab presents the direct-ignition system , Saab DI , with an ignition coil for each cylinder .
Automatic belt tensioners are introduced on the 1986 models of the Saab 9000.1986 The Saab 9000 of the 1987 model becomes the first front-wheel-drive car to offer ABS brakes.1988 Airbag on the driver 's side , Saab Traction Control and climate-adapted exhaust cleaning.1989 Plastic parts are marked for recycling.1990 The term " light-pressure turbo ' enters the automotive language when Saab launches a new way to use turbo-charging.1991 Saab is the first carmaker to present a freon-free ( CFC-free ) air-conditioning system.1992 Saab presents its Trionic engine-control system with a 32-bit microprocessor.1993 Automatic clutch : the Saab Sensonic is offered on the Saab 900 Turbo.1995 Saab launches the idea of Ecopower as an overall concept for all turbo-charged engines .
At the Motor Show in Frankfurt it presents an engine-development project featuring asymmetric turbo-charging of a V6.1996 Saab presents an active head restraint ( SAHR , Saab Active Head Restraint ) that is in course of development and goes in production with the new Saab 9-5.1997 Yet another Saab innovation : ventilated front seats .
It is the first time a passenger car , the new Saab 9-5 , is offered with this feature .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
Does this belong on /.?
Where is all the fanfare for Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Plymouth &amp; Saturn?
Companies come and go.
New ones will come along and replace them.I've got an idea... how about everybody who liked Saabs go out and order a Fisker Karma or the Tesla Model S!BillThis is news for nerds for a few reasons:
      SAABs are in some ways the Slashdot user of the car world: geeky, high tech, innovative, uncommon...Though I'm not sure which car you would be, suggesting that SAAB lovers go plonk down $100,000 for a replacement.A few of SAABs innovations, cut and pasted from:http://www.saabmuseum.com/innovations/index.html [saabmuseum.com]1947 The Saab 92 is presented, with a streamlined, stressed-skin steel body.
Thanks in part to a completely smooth underside; the Cd value for the Saab 92.001 is no more than 0.32.
The engine is a two-cylinder two-stroke, transversely mounted ahead of the front axle.1953 Preheating of the induction air, to prevent icing in the carburettor, is introduced in December on the 1954 models.1958 The GT 750 is Saab's first model to have factory fitted seat belts.1960 Ventilation system of through-flow type with effective extraction behind the side windows.1961 An air "slicer", intended to keep the rear window clear, is introduced on the Saab 95 in March.1962 From January, all cars for Sweden are fitted with seat belts in front.1963 Diagonally divided brake system with double brake circuits on all Saabs of 1964 models.1967 The Saab 99 is presented, among other things with a double-jointed steering column of safety type, a safety body with crumple zones at front and rear and the starter switch on the floor between the front seats.1969 As the 1970 model, the Company releases the 99E Automatic, the first Saab with an automatic gearbox and electronic fuel injection.
Head restraints, of a unique Saab design, are offered as an extra on all models.1970 Headlamp wipers and washers, a world "first", are introduced on the 1971 models.1971 Two unique Saab innovations are presented on the 1972 models: an electrically heated driving seat and self-repairing (up to 8 kph, 5 mph) bumpers.1972 Protecting members in the doors and glass-fibre headlinings as crash protection are introduced on the "99s" of 1973.1973 Front seats with integrated head restraints are introduced on the 1974 models.1976 Exhaust cleaning with a 3-way catalytic converter and a lambda sensor are introduced on cars for the U.S. Saab unveils its turbo concept in August, the first Saab 99 Turbo goes on sale a year later as a 1978 model.1978 Yet another world "first" is introduced with the Saab 900: the unique compartment air filter.
The Saab 900 also has a safety-type steering column with a telescopically collapsible steering shaft and a sheet-steel crumple bellows.1980 The APC system protects the engine from injurious knocking due to uneven fuel quality and enables the engine to be run on petrol of various octane ratings.
The APC system goes in production on the 1982 Saab 900 Turbo.1981 A wide-angle rear-view mirror is introduced on the driver's side of the 1982 models.1982 Beginning with the 1983 models, Saab fits all its cars with asbestos-free brake linings.1983 In March Saab presents a new development of the 2-litre engine, with double overhead camshafts, 16 valves and domed combustion chambers having centrally sited sparking plugs.
With a turbo and intercooler, the engine is capable of 200 hp (160 hp in series production) - while still burning 10\% less fuel than the corresponding turbo car with two valves per cylinder.1985 At the Stockholm Motor Show Saab presents the direct-ignition system, Saab DI, with an ignition coil for each cylinder.
Automatic belt tensioners are introduced on the 1986 models of the Saab 9000.1986 The Saab 9000 of the 1987 model becomes the first front-wheel-drive car to offer ABS brakes.1988 Airbag on the driver's side, Saab Traction Control and climate-adapted exhaust cleaning.1989 Plastic parts are marked for recycling.1990 The term "light-pressure turbo' enters the automotive language when Saab launches a new way to use turbo-charging.1991 Saab is the first carmaker to present a freon-free (CFC-free) air-conditioning system.1992 Saab presents its Trionic engine-control system with a 32-bit microprocessor.1993 Automatic clutch: the Saab Sensonic is offered on the Saab 900 Turbo.1995 Saab launches the idea of Ecopower as an overall concept for all turbo-charged engines.
At the Motor Show in Frankfurt it presents an engine-development project featuring asymmetric turbo-charging of a V6.1996 Saab presents an active head restraint (SAHR, Saab Active Head Restraint) that is in course of development and goes in production with the new Saab 9-5.1997 Yet another Saab innovation: ventilated front seats.
It is the first time a passenger car, the new Saab 9-5, is offered with this feature.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30511456</id>
	<title>Re:Near-Death Experience of Saab</title>
	<author>Jon\_S</author>
	<datestamp>1261407360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Gad. I hated the Saabarus and what GM did.

The quote in this story, "(SAAB) wasn't designed to be a fashion statement, it was designed to provide transportation under miserable weather conditions." tells the story of when Saab was at its best.</p></div><p>
That's kind of an ironic statement in my opinion since (as a subaru driver for 22 years in a very snowy part of the northeast US), I would say "subaru wasn't designed to be a fashion statement, it was designed to provide transportation under miserable weather conditions."</p></div>
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<tokenext>Gad .
I hated the Saabarus and what GM did .
The quote in this story , " ( SAAB ) was n't designed to be a fashion statement , it was designed to provide transportation under miserable weather conditions .
" tells the story of when Saab was at its best .
That 's kind of an ironic statement in my opinion since ( as a subaru driver for 22 years in a very snowy part of the northeast US ) , I would say " subaru was n't designed to be a fashion statement , it was designed to provide transportation under miserable weather conditions .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gad.
I hated the Saabarus and what GM did.
The quote in this story, "(SAAB) wasn't designed to be a fashion statement, it was designed to provide transportation under miserable weather conditions.
" tells the story of when Saab was at its best.
That's kind of an ironic statement in my opinion since (as a subaru driver for 22 years in a very snowy part of the northeast US), I would say "subaru wasn't designed to be a fashion statement, it was designed to provide transportation under miserable weather conditions.
"
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30506788</id>
	<title>Re:part of our family is dead</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261305480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The Saab 96 was so far ahead of its time that nobody has yet caught up to it. It was the stiffest, strongest &amp; safest 2000-lb. car ever built.</p></div><p>The OpenSAAB project, soon to be renamed HaikuSAAB, is working to implement an open source car compatible with the original SAAB.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Saab 96 was so far ahead of its time that nobody has yet caught up to it .
It was the stiffest , strongest &amp; safest 2000-lb .
car ever built.The OpenSAAB project , soon to be renamed HaikuSAAB , is working to implement an open source car compatible with the original SAAB .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Saab 96 was so far ahead of its time that nobody has yet caught up to it.
It was the stiffest, strongest &amp; safest 2000-lb.
car ever built.The OpenSAAB project, soon to be renamed HaikuSAAB, is working to implement an open source car compatible with the original SAAB.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503534</id>
	<title>Victim of its own success (sorta)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261320060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SAAB was once quirky and bizarre, the choice of folks who needed some particular features. Then people started buying it, not for the suitability for cold weather or whatever, but precisely because it was quirky. Then the customers even stopped caring about the quirkiness and started buying them for the nameplate. Sure, there were a few folks who needed some strange features, but for the most part, people only cared about the name.  GM, though not having the brightest business acumen, sought to capitalize. Instead of quirkiness they sold the brand on its name. Alas, in circles of people who cared about these things, GM and exclusivity are mutually -  ahh - exclusive. The cars stopped selling.</p><p>There's a right way and a wrong way to capitalize on quirkiness, I think.  Apple used to sell their products as the choice of the minority. Their "Think Different" campaign was not so much about suitability but about the mere fact of being different than the masses. That campaign might not have worked a few years later when nationalism and homogenized thinking was seen as patriotic, but it was perfect for the times.</p><p>So here was GM peddling SAAB as the choice of the oddball right during the time when it was gauche to be different. Then when that failed they started talking about SAAB's roots in a foreign military when US patriotism was near a peak. I suppose if they had survived, GM would have marketed it as the choice of banking executives. "Look!  SAAB is the number one choice among failed banking executives!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SAAB was once quirky and bizarre , the choice of folks who needed some particular features .
Then people started buying it , not for the suitability for cold weather or whatever , but precisely because it was quirky .
Then the customers even stopped caring about the quirkiness and started buying them for the nameplate .
Sure , there were a few folks who needed some strange features , but for the most part , people only cared about the name .
GM , though not having the brightest business acumen , sought to capitalize .
Instead of quirkiness they sold the brand on its name .
Alas , in circles of people who cared about these things , GM and exclusivity are mutually - ahh - exclusive .
The cars stopped selling.There 's a right way and a wrong way to capitalize on quirkiness , I think .
Apple used to sell their products as the choice of the minority .
Their " Think Different " campaign was not so much about suitability but about the mere fact of being different than the masses .
That campaign might not have worked a few years later when nationalism and homogenized thinking was seen as patriotic , but it was perfect for the times.So here was GM peddling SAAB as the choice of the oddball right during the time when it was gauche to be different .
Then when that failed they started talking about SAAB 's roots in a foreign military when US patriotism was near a peak .
I suppose if they had survived , GM would have marketed it as the choice of banking executives .
" Look ! SAAB is the number one choice among failed banking executives !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SAAB was once quirky and bizarre, the choice of folks who needed some particular features.
Then people started buying it, not for the suitability for cold weather or whatever, but precisely because it was quirky.
Then the customers even stopped caring about the quirkiness and started buying them for the nameplate.
Sure, there were a few folks who needed some strange features, but for the most part, people only cared about the name.
GM, though not having the brightest business acumen, sought to capitalize.
Instead of quirkiness they sold the brand on its name.
Alas, in circles of people who cared about these things, GM and exclusivity are mutually -  ahh - exclusive.
The cars stopped selling.There's a right way and a wrong way to capitalize on quirkiness, I think.
Apple used to sell their products as the choice of the minority.
Their "Think Different" campaign was not so much about suitability but about the mere fact of being different than the masses.
That campaign might not have worked a few years later when nationalism and homogenized thinking was seen as patriotic, but it was perfect for the times.So here was GM peddling SAAB as the choice of the oddball right during the time when it was gauche to be different.
Then when that failed they started talking about SAAB's roots in a foreign military when US patriotism was near a peak.
I suppose if they had survived, GM would have marketed it as the choice of banking executives.
"Look!  SAAB is the number one choice among failed banking executives!
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503680</id>
	<title>Near-Death Experience of Saab</title>
	<author>reporter</author>
	<datestamp>1261321500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the middle of this decade, General Motors (GM) owned part of both Saab and Subaru and attempted to save some money by re-badging a Subaru as a Saab and calling the finished product "Saab 9-2X".  This single act signaled the end of Saab.  Though Subaru has acceptable quality, the re-badging destroys the Saab mystique.  You would encounter the same problem if Ford had re-badged the Mazda RX-8 as a "Mustang".
<p>
Nonetheless, you need not cry for Saab.  It will live again.  According to <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107604574607791131579248.html?mod=googlenews\_wsj" title="wsj.com" rel="nofollow">a news report</a> [wsj.com] just issued by the "Wall Street Journal", Spyker has made another offer to buy Saab. This time, we have the real deal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the middle of this decade , General Motors ( GM ) owned part of both Saab and Subaru and attempted to save some money by re-badging a Subaru as a Saab and calling the finished product " Saab 9-2X " .
This single act signaled the end of Saab .
Though Subaru has acceptable quality , the re-badging destroys the Saab mystique .
You would encounter the same problem if Ford had re-badged the Mazda RX-8 as a " Mustang " .
Nonetheless , you need not cry for Saab .
It will live again .
According to a news report [ wsj.com ] just issued by the " Wall Street Journal " , Spyker has made another offer to buy Saab .
This time , we have the real deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the middle of this decade, General Motors (GM) owned part of both Saab and Subaru and attempted to save some money by re-badging a Subaru as a Saab and calling the finished product "Saab 9-2X".
This single act signaled the end of Saab.
Though Subaru has acceptable quality, the re-badging destroys the Saab mystique.
You would encounter the same problem if Ford had re-badged the Mazda RX-8 as a "Mustang".
Nonetheless, you need not cry for Saab.
It will live again.
According to a news report [wsj.com] just issued by the "Wall Street Journal", Spyker has made another offer to buy Saab.
This time, we have the real deal.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505552</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261338480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I have one of the last SAAB 900 Turbos manufactured out of Trollhatten</p></div><p>Uhm<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Trollhatten is a famous island mountain in Norway. It translates as "The Troll's hat". Trollh&#228;ttan, on the other hand, is a small-ish Swedish town. It translates as<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... uhm<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... "The Troll's hat". Err<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... never mind.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I have one of the last SAAB 900 Turbos manufactured out of TrollhattenUhm ... Trollhatten is a famous island mountain in Norway .
It translates as " The Troll 's hat " .
Trollh   ttan , on the other hand , is a small-ish Swedish town .
It translates as ... uhm ... " The Troll 's hat " .
Err ... never mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have one of the last SAAB 900 Turbos manufactured out of TrollhattenUhm ... Trollhatten is a famous island mountain in Norway.
It translates as "The Troll's hat".
Trollhättan, on the other hand, is a small-ish Swedish town.
It translates as ... uhm ... "The Troll's hat".
Err ... never mind.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504162</id>
	<title>Re:New bid..</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1261327500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If GM wants to retain the IP, it makes sense to let the physical company die.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If GM wants to retain the IP , it makes sense to let the physical company die .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If GM wants to retain the IP, it makes sense to let the physical company die.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30520058</id>
	<title>i'm confused</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1261413060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is this a twist on the austria/ australia joke?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is this a twist on the austria/ australia joke ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is this a twist on the austria/ australia joke?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505326</id>
	<title>Re:Let's just be clear on what they mean here</title>
	<author>snugge</author>
	<datestamp>1261336140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A short piece of heavy copper wire will do the trick when it comes to changing the clutch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A short piece of heavy copper wire will do the trick when it comes to changing the clutch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A short piece of heavy copper wire will do the trick when it comes to changing the clutch.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30504622</id>
	<title>Re:Speaking for myself as a Swedish brick driver,</title>
	<author>plopez</author>
	<datestamp>1261330860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Before '98 Volvo cars were generally good (probably '98s were good as well since it takes time to finish a takeover). Then they were bought by Ford and quality began to slip. Big surprise, an American company buys them and they begin to go down hill. I wish they would find a buyer for Volvo. Until then, I wouldn't don't buy a newer Volvo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Before '98 Volvo cars were generally good ( probably '98s were good as well since it takes time to finish a takeover ) .
Then they were bought by Ford and quality began to slip .
Big surprise , an American company buys them and they begin to go down hill .
I wish they would find a buyer for Volvo .
Until then , I would n't do n't buy a newer Volvo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Before '98 Volvo cars were generally good (probably '98s were good as well since it takes time to finish a takeover).
Then they were bought by Ford and quality began to slip.
Big surprise, an American company buys them and they begin to go down hill.
I wish they would find a buyer for Volvo.
Until then, I wouldn't don't buy a newer Volvo.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30503948</id>
	<title>Re:Horrifyingly poor management</title>
	<author>Dr\_Ken</author>
	<datestamp>1261325100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes indeed. The same sort of thing happened to Volvo and VW too. They were mid-level basic transportation for the average person in Europe. Nothing fancy. Then American yuppies found out about them and they became another commodity of <a href="http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/?s=saab" title="stuffwhitepeoplelike.com"> SWPL </a> [stuffwhitepeoplelike.com] and that was the end of them as comfortable, sturdy and economical automobiles for middle income earners. Their prices ballooned and they became just another toy for the yuppsters and their ilk.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes indeed .
The same sort of thing happened to Volvo and VW too .
They were mid-level basic transportation for the average person in Europe .
Nothing fancy .
Then American yuppies found out about them and they became another commodity of SWPL [ stuffwhitepeoplelike.com ] and that was the end of them as comfortable , sturdy and economical automobiles for middle income earners .
Their prices ballooned and they became just another toy for the yuppsters and their ilk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes indeed.
The same sort of thing happened to Volvo and VW too.
They were mid-level basic transportation for the average person in Europe.
Nothing fancy.
Then American yuppies found out about them and they became another commodity of  SWPL  [stuffwhitepeoplelike.com] and that was the end of them as comfortable, sturdy and economical automobiles for middle income earners.
Their prices ballooned and they became just another toy for the yuppsters and their ilk.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505014</id>
	<title>Re:Horrifyingly poor management</title>
	<author>cynyr</author>
	<datestamp>1261333800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>as a note, almost every front/all wheel drive car is a great winter car with snow tires on. Really just go buy some snow tires and then see if you need a "great winter car"<br> <br>

p.s. to stave off the trolls, I grew up in Minnesota, went to college in the upper peninsula of Michigan, and am now back in Minnesota. so driving in snow has been something that just happens for 3-6 months of the year.</htmltext>
<tokenext>as a note , almost every front/all wheel drive car is a great winter car with snow tires on .
Really just go buy some snow tires and then see if you need a " great winter car " p.s .
to stave off the trolls , I grew up in Minnesota , went to college in the upper peninsula of Michigan , and am now back in Minnesota .
so driving in snow has been something that just happens for 3-6 months of the year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as a note, almost every front/all wheel drive car is a great winter car with snow tires on.
Really just go buy some snow tires and then see if you need a "great winter car" 

p.s.
to stave off the trolls, I grew up in Minnesota, went to college in the upper peninsula of Michigan, and am now back in Minnesota.
so driving in snow has been something that just happens for 3-6 months of the year.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2245240.30505096</id>
	<title>Re:Eh, you give the answer. Food</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261334520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You say that American food and beer is mostly crap and local stuff "average."  I've been to Holland, but I don't think you've been to the US (yeah our immigration and visa policies are asinine) so let me help you out a bit.  Pizza Hut is the McDonald's of American pizza restaurants, chains included.  Any American town bigger than 3,000 people will have at least one pizzeria that kicks the crap out of Pizza Hut or any other megachain.  Any American city will have a pizzeria that could compete just fine in Italy.   The best burgers in the world are American and are present in any decent bar and grill.  McDonalds doesn't count as it isn't actually food.  The other burger megachains are borderline acceptable if one is in a hurry.  If not, go to a decent American bar, order your burger, and wash it down with the local microbrew.  American beer is more than the Miller, Busch, and Budweiser mass-produced, unhopped, rice and other adjunct-laden, tasteless, colorless, flavorless crap.  Yes that's the lion's share but microbreweries have been accelerating for thirty years and some aren't so micro anymore.  American microbreweries can and do compete with any beer in the world.  Coffee?  I wouldn't know since I find it utterly vile, although Starbucks is the stuff of jokes here too.  American cars are admittedly hit and miss and generally have crap gas mileage, but not all European manufacturers are Lamborghini:  there's also Peugeot.  V8's are rare outside of work vans/trucks.  The most popular cars are no longer SUVs but instead compacts and sedans.  Driving across the country sucks hairy monkey balls and it takes four 12-hour days to do it.<br>
<br>
American megachains are highly successful at selling cheap, mass-produced, bland, tasteless, over salty, fatty, sugary sweet, over-processed crap to markets worldwide.  That's 6 billion consumers, not 360 million.  Local produce and local restaurants are losing market share to our worst crap.  That can't happen unless there's a lot of people who want the stuff.  People are basically the same the whole world wide and that's why mass produced flavorless crap sells.  It just so happens that Americans came up with the business model first.  Cheer up:  your coming diabetes and obesity epidemics won't be as bad as ours because you've got a functional health care system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You say that American food and beer is mostly crap and local stuff " average .
" I 've been to Holland , but I do n't think you 've been to the US ( yeah our immigration and visa policies are asinine ) so let me help you out a bit .
Pizza Hut is the McDonald 's of American pizza restaurants , chains included .
Any American town bigger than 3,000 people will have at least one pizzeria that kicks the crap out of Pizza Hut or any other megachain .
Any American city will have a pizzeria that could compete just fine in Italy .
The best burgers in the world are American and are present in any decent bar and grill .
McDonalds does n't count as it is n't actually food .
The other burger megachains are borderline acceptable if one is in a hurry .
If not , go to a decent American bar , order your burger , and wash it down with the local microbrew .
American beer is more than the Miller , Busch , and Budweiser mass-produced , unhopped , rice and other adjunct-laden , tasteless , colorless , flavorless crap .
Yes that 's the lion 's share but microbreweries have been accelerating for thirty years and some are n't so micro anymore .
American microbreweries can and do compete with any beer in the world .
Coffee ? I would n't know since I find it utterly vile , although Starbucks is the stuff of jokes here too .
American cars are admittedly hit and miss and generally have crap gas mileage , but not all European manufacturers are Lamborghini : there 's also Peugeot .
V8 's are rare outside of work vans/trucks .
The most popular cars are no longer SUVs but instead compacts and sedans .
Driving across the country sucks hairy monkey balls and it takes four 12-hour days to do it .
American megachains are highly successful at selling cheap , mass-produced , bland , tasteless , over salty , fatty , sugary sweet , over-processed crap to markets worldwide .
That 's 6 billion consumers , not 360 million .
Local produce and local restaurants are losing market share to our worst crap .
That ca n't happen unless there 's a lot of people who want the stuff .
People are basically the same the whole world wide and that 's why mass produced flavorless crap sells .
It just so happens that Americans came up with the business model first .
Cheer up : your coming diabetes and obesity epidemics wo n't be as bad as ours because you 've got a functional health care system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You say that American food and beer is mostly crap and local stuff "average.
"  I've been to Holland, but I don't think you've been to the US (yeah our immigration and visa policies are asinine) so let me help you out a bit.
Pizza Hut is the McDonald's of American pizza restaurants, chains included.
Any American town bigger than 3,000 people will have at least one pizzeria that kicks the crap out of Pizza Hut or any other megachain.
Any American city will have a pizzeria that could compete just fine in Italy.
The best burgers in the world are American and are present in any decent bar and grill.
McDonalds doesn't count as it isn't actually food.
The other burger megachains are borderline acceptable if one is in a hurry.
If not, go to a decent American bar, order your burger, and wash it down with the local microbrew.
American beer is more than the Miller, Busch, and Budweiser mass-produced, unhopped, rice and other adjunct-laden, tasteless, colorless, flavorless crap.
Yes that's the lion's share but microbreweries have been accelerating for thirty years and some aren't so micro anymore.
American microbreweries can and do compete with any beer in the world.
Coffee?  I wouldn't know since I find it utterly vile, although Starbucks is the stuff of jokes here too.
American cars are admittedly hit and miss and generally have crap gas mileage, but not all European manufacturers are Lamborghini:  there's also Peugeot.
V8's are rare outside of work vans/trucks.
The most popular cars are no longer SUVs but instead compacts and sedans.
Driving across the country sucks hairy monkey balls and it takes four 12-hour days to do it.
American megachains are highly successful at selling cheap, mass-produced, bland, tasteless, over salty, fatty, sugary sweet, over-processed crap to markets worldwide.
That's 6 billion consumers, not 360 million.
Local produce and local restaurants are losing market share to our worst crap.
That can't happen unless there's a lot of people who want the stuff.
People are basically the same the whole world wide and that's why mass produced flavorless crap sells.
It just so happens that Americans came up with the business model first.
Cheer up:  your coming diabetes and obesity epidemics won't be as bad as ours because you've got a functional health care system.</sentencetext>
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